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User talk:Kingrat
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User talk:Karenatom
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Kraang
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User talk:Baltar Xinzo
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Kraang
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Kraang&diff=680908
User talk:Kraang
2024-02-29T04:22:20Z
<p>Kraang: /* Theodore Sturgeon / Some of Your Blood */</p>
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== SF: The Year's Greatest Science-Fiction and Fantasy Second Annual Volume / Title change discussion ==<br />
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Please respond at [[User_talk:GlennMcG#SF:_The_Year.27s_Greatest_Science-Fiction_and_Fantasy_Second_Annual_Volume_.2F_Shared_title_change_discussion|GlennMcG talk]]. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 19:52, 1 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Reeve - Station Zero ==<br />
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Hi, first off, thanks for your moderating my submissions! Out of curiousity, what went wrong with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5533261 this submission] where you fixed the HTML? Was it two spaces instead of one between the text and the link? That's the only difference I can see. Thanks for fixing it anyway! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:00, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:There was an extra "< / ul >" that appeared to be the problem, since you use a similar template in notes I looked at a previous one & removed the extra. Happy to moderate submissions, took a couple of months of now I'm back.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:26, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Ah, found it, thanks, and welcome back! Incidentally, these two submissions [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5530361 5530361] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5530366 5530366] have been hanging around for a while. I wondered if they've dropped out of moderators sight...? Kev.--[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:55, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Wow! Thanks! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:04, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Daniel Boring ==<br />
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Hi, Kraang. I have a (slightly ridiculous) question about [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?103216| David Boring]. Back in 2009, you added the note about it being reviewed in an SF publication. Do you know which? It doesn't have any reviews listed right now. I know it's been years, but I'm curious. Thanks! —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 03:13, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:No idea now. I did a lot of cleanup of non-genre & graphic novels at the time. Possibly a link to the review has been deleted, being of a graphic novel. Now all that is left is the novel & my note. Hope this helps.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 12:11, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Aha! I found it: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1299001]. I'll change it back to a review. —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 12:16, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::: I would not change it to a review - the graphic novel is NOT eligible to be here... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:54, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== La canción de Bêlit ==<br />
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The novel was published in Brazil, but they divided it into four parts, only volume 1 came out, how do I register?[[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 14:16, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Add the publication in as a Chapbook and in the Regular Title section add (Part 1 of 4) or (Vol 1) after title, then make title type a serial. Are the other three parts going to be published? If not then a note would help explain it's intension to be a novel but has not been completed. Hope this helps, I'll lookout for your submission.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:33, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::the publisher's page says it would be published in two volumes, the cover artist's Facebook page says in four parts, however, only the first volume was published, nothing was said if there will be continuation. I think the illustrator is right, as the original book has 572 pages and this one has 176. In the original book, it seems to already be divided into 4 parts. [[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 12:21, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Looking at the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?932583 original (2017) Spanish text], I see the following note:<br />
:::* Robert E. Howard's [novelette] "La Reina de la Costa Negra", which is included in its entirety in this novel, was originally published in ''Weird Tales'' in May 1934 as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?68499 "The Queen of the Black Coast."] The Spanish translation is the work of Rodolfo Martínez [...]<br />
::: This explains why the title page and the cover credit both Howard and Martínez. I suggest that we add Howard's name to the Spanish title as well as to the proposed Portuguese title.<br />
::: I can also confirm that the Spanish original consists of 4 "cuarta"s ("quarters"), so it seems likely that a 176-page book would contain the first "quarter" as opposed to the first half of the original, which is 572 pages long. Furthermore, the Spanish original is 168K words long. The four "quarters" are novella length since they are under the 40K limit:<br />
:::* First "quarter" -- 19%<br />
:::* Second "quarter" -- 23%<br />
:::* Third "quarter" -- 23%<br />
:::* Fourth "quarter" -- 21%<br />
:::* Appendices, including Martínez's translation of Howard's fictionalized essay [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?121948 "The Hyborian Age"] -- 12%<br />
::: This means that Kraang's guess above is correct and they are, in ISFDB terms, SERIALs as opposed to "split novels". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:33, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::Yes, the subtitle in Portuguese is "A tigresa e o leão", which is the same as "la tigresa y el léon" described as "libro primero" (first book).[[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 19:45, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
Enter the first book with as much detail you can find & I'll fix it up as best I can. I'll deal with the other submission tomorrow night when I get home. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:24, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::A second book was published [https://aveceditora.com.br/produto/a-cancao-de-belit-2 A canção de Bêlit: a última jornada][[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 09:57, 1 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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I understand, in fact the novel is divided into four parts and each book publishes two parts. [[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 09:29, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pwendt for self-approver ==<br />
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Hi, Kraang. Happy New Year! I hope to be a self-approver imminently. I prefer to be nominated by another, but I plan to nominate myself ("Self-nomination for self-approver") sometime tomorrow if none of you, plural, is available ready and willing in the next 20 hours or so. I write to a couple others too. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:42, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Back form short holiday will support self-approver.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:34, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Theodora Goss / The Thorn and the Blossom - Deletion Problem ==<br />
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You have processed all my submissions for this title to date but I'm now stuck on a step. As you know, I'm converting this from a Chapbook with a Novella to a Collection with two Novelettes. I now want to delete the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1347059 Novella record] as it has no associated pubs but I can't. When I try to "Delete This Title", I get the message "Error: 1 awards still refer to this title". There is no option to remove the Award or the Reviews so how do I go about deleting the Novella? Incidentally, I have taken a note of the Award and 5 Reviews and will import them to the container title for the Collection once it has been created. Thanks in advance for your help. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 07:54, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Yes, but it seems it is the piece of shortfiction that got the award, and it should have been published somewhere (or was it handed to one of the two new titles?). Or it may be possible to link the award to the collection instead. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:02, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I'll have a look at this tonight. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 11:33, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Ok everything should be fixed, the award & reviews are there , except the award describes it as "Best Novelette". Maybe an explanation should be added to explain the difference.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 13:38, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::All looks good now, thanks. One last piece of tidying up: deletion of the old, incorrectly titled Interiorart record. I have submitted an edit to do this. I see where you're coming from regarding an explanation of the Locus award as "Best Novelette" but I have no idea why Locus considered it to be a Novelette. The approx word counts are: Brendan's Story - 10,500 and Evelyn's Story - 10,900. So even if you consider the whole work to be a single piece of fiction (which it isn't), the total word count is 21,400 hence Novella. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:46, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Link fix ==<br />
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Thanks for your time fixing that wrong image link :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:42, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Asimov - I, Robot - by Fawcett Crest ==<br />
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Hi, re your {{P|205693|PV here}}, this is just a heads-up to point to my discussion with Tom [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Taweiss#Asimov_-_I.2C_Robot Taweiss] regarding Fawcett covers and this {{P|205285|1970 printing}}. You might find something there for yours. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 00:53, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I'll have a look at my copy tonight and see if there is anything to add. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 12:32, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Self-Approver ==<br />
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Hello, as you're in the list of moderators handling my most recent submission, can you please comment on https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Self-Moderation_Request? --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 06:43, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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Thanks for the work you're doing and for fixing the asterisk - don't know how that got in there... Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:59, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Easy fix once I figured out what was wrong, was not obvious at first.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:14, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Signet -> Signet / New American Library ==<br />
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Any objection to changing this to Signet / New American Library<br><br />
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<li>https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?229073</li><br />
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:Please submit the change. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 11:23, 12 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Many thanks! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:56, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I'll have a go at the rest tomorrow if there still on the board. I see what you are doing but in a way that may take a bit of unmerging and re merging. I need to look at all the relevant edits before I proceed. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:06, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Please don't take any actions further to my outstanding edits (apart from approval or not), as I'm aware of everything that needs to be done going forward and I'm tracking it all - what needs to be done in which order. Thanks again, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:26, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK, I'll do them now. As an alternative method just unmerge the publications & rename if necessary, then remerged with the correct title record. Generally this will have less steps. Hope this helps. :)[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:43, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Yes, I tried considering the number of steps involved, trying to work out the most efficient (and I've unmerged/remerged in the past) but I opted for the simple one-step-at-a time approach as the whole thing is quite complex. But thanks for your considerate thought :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:47, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Getting back to my 'pending', I see you've cleared them all. What excellent communication! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:50, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
Happy to help. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:54, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Impressive! Thanks again :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:20, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Incorrect info added to database ==<br />
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Hello Kraang, I am one of the editors of the Brazilian magazine Histórias Extraordinárias. We have published six issues so far. The latest one was published in April 2023 and it has been added recently to the database (submission #5652271).<br />
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I noticed that two more records appeared, probably submitted by someone else but approved by you. They somehow duplicate the info (with much less detail), but incorrectly state that Histórias Extraordinárias is an ANTHOLOGY, which it is not. It is a magazine that publishes new material.<br />
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The incorrect publication records are: #950021 and #950023.<br />
We just launched all six issues in digital versions (PDF) so I believe that the submitter wants to include them. I agree that they should appear as different format, but we should at least just duplicate the existing information (which is "official" and more comprehensive) changing only the format. Can you please help us in this regard once we sort out these two "rogue" records? :)<br />
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The six magazine issues so far are the following:<br />
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{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ Histórias Extraordinárias Magazine<br />
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! Issue number !! detail !! Pub record !! Incorrect<br />
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| Issue 1|| December 2020|| #913217|| #950021<br />
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| Issue 2 || April 2021|| #914003|| #950023<br />
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| Issue 3 || August 2021|| #914004||<br />
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| Issue 4 || December 2021|| #914005||<br />
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| Issue 5 || August 2022|| #915288||<br />
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| Issue 6 || April 2023|| #950024||<br />
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As a side note, the latest issue is not appearing in the publication series #67858. I spotted a difference in how the title is formatted in the Title Record and submitted a change request in order to correct it (submission #5659612). I ask you to please review and apply the suitable correction. Thanks!<br />
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--[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 22:32, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Sorry about the mix-up, if I had realized it was a magazine I would have left it for some one else. I'll have a look at the submission and approve if it looks ok, if I'm uncertain I'll flag it for a mod who deals more with magazines. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:14, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I think the best thing to do is delete the rogue entries and the you can submit a clone of an existing pub with the necessary changes.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:22, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Rogue records have been deleted, just use the cloning option, this way no merging or changing title records is necessary, everything will be where it should be.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:33, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks for your help with the rogue entries! Now I will ask you help with another matter: The latest issue (pub record #950024) does not appear listed along with the previous five. I refer to the page in the link that appears [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?67858 here]. Can you please help with this as well? I don't know what to change in the pub info to link it to the others. Thanks!<br />
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::: Update: I have just submitted a clone request for the first 5 issues, changing the format to ebook and adding the format (PDF) to the notes field. I will do the same to Issue 6 once we sort out the above point. Thanks and have a good day!<br />
:::--[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 13:07, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::All fixed just had to add the series name to the title record.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 18:23, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::Perfect! Thank you very much!! Now I just created the variants for the artworks in the latest issue, and once they are approved, I will clone it to the ebook format. Thank you for all your help!!<br />
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== Not a Variant ==<br />
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Hello Kraang, I recently submitted two title update requests because I noticed a typo in the title of a short sory and its accompaining interiorart.<br />
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Issue 1 of "Histórias Extraordinárias" magazine ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?913217 December 2020]) contains a short story called "Hypnos e Morfeu". However, when inserting the data months ago, I wrote "Morfeu'''s'''" (with an "s") instead of "Morfeu". The story also has an interiorart which received the same name (wrong, with the 's').<br />
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I noticed the error last week and submitted two requests:<br />
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1) Submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5661908 #5661908] to change the short story title (Title Record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3076119 #3076119])<br />
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2) Submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5661909 #5661909] to change the interiorart title (Title Record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3076118 #3076118])<br />
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The titles are shared by the bedsheet and ebook publications (ebook is a clone of the bedsheet).<br />
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However, while for the interiorart it seems all ok, the short story lists the correct name as a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3082550 variant of the old name], which it is not. The old title should be deleted and the corrected title should be kept. We should just correct the typo, not create a variant.<br />
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It currently appears as --> Variant Title of: Hypnos e Morfeus (by Marcus Garrett) [may list more publications, awards, reviews, votes and covers]<br />
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Can you please help with this?<br />
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I believe that deleting [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3082550 this record] would be enough to break this "variant link" but I am not sure, so I am asking for your help.<br />
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Thanks.<br />
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--[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 19:41, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I dropped the "s" on the parent title, but the variant is correct since the short story is written using an alternate name. A variant is created to the parent name "Marcus Garrett".[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:25, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::OK! I stand corrected. Thanks for fixing the issue of the extra "s". All seems to be OK now. Sorry about the inconvenience. Have a nice week! --[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 19:57, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Live Free or Die ==<br />
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Just a note that I fixed a capitalization issue ("or" was recorded as "Or") on your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?304688 verified]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:24, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Abhorsen ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Please keep an eye for the "Language mismatch" warnings when approving imports: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5246823 this] should not have been approved - instead a new cover should have been created for the Dutch books and then varianted. We match the art language to the book language even when the titles are the same. I had unmerged and I am working through a series of these you approved so just dropping you a note. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:54, 30 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zebrowski - Ashes and Stars ==<br />
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Hello, I'm letting you know I'm adding Reginald3 ID# to your PV'd {{P|186781|pub here}}. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 02:08, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Also to {{P|44249|The Monadic Universe}}. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:06, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:If just adding ID's or extra data to notes I'm fine with that , no need to notify me, but thanks anyways. :)[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 16:01, 3 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zebrowski - The Omega Point Trilogy ==<br />
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Hello, with regard to your {{P|93651|Canadian edition}}, I'm assuming that it's essentially the same as the {{P|277309|US edition}} which has pages as viii+295. Does yours have roman numeral numbered pages? If so, I suggest they should be recorded - even though there is/might be no content needing recording - per the pages help guide. What do you think? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:46, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The contents are the same just the cover is different, I'll update the page number. Thanks.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 16:03, 3 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cat People ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5675093; Some confusion here, in case you can clear it up. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:04, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:This was a stray pub, the database was full of them in the early days so I created a title record for it and moved on to the next one. The searching of databases & sellers is a lot easier now with all the links. All fixed now.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 19:41, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zelazny - The Chronicles of Amber: Volume I ==<br />
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Hello, way back when, you moderated the last two submissions for {{T|39628|this title}}. I can't find any justification or source for the date being 1979-01-01 instead of the Doubleday 1979-01-00. What do you think? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:20, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No idea, just slipped in, so I'll make it go back one day to 1979-01-00.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 22:02, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: :) thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:16, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jack Campbell: Invincible ==<br />
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I have a pending submission to remove the series name from your PVed record. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5712286 submission]. Any problem with me finishing the approval? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:15, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No problem change away.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 10:17, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Seedling Stars ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128431; A copy was uploaded to Archive.org last fall so I've added a link in a PENDING edit but neither Open Library or Amazon seem to have the cover so maybe you'd like to upload yours or an online cover that looks like yours. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:46, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Recent approvals. ==<br />
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Greetings Kraang, I've asked a new editor what makes a number of his new publication submissions eligible for inclusion. You may wish to comment [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Twisty#Speculative_Fiction.3F here] since you approved them. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:29, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Hi! It would also be appreciated if you could keep an eye on text lengths. For example, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?959237 this] - with 32 pages - can't be a novel as initially approved (I changed this one to CHAPBOOK). Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:45, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Magazines dating question ==<br />
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Hello Kraang, <br />
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Can you clarify the approved date [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5678636 here]? We date magazines based on their cover date and if another means is used, it needs to be in the notes. That applies to magazines where Amazon may have an exact date as well... I do not see a note explaining the dating. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:18, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Deal so little with magazines I forget about all the different rules, only approved the edit to get the stories. Please change the date to what it should be, I'll try to be more careful with magazine submissions in the future or I might just avoid magazine submissions altogether no matter how correct it looks. THanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 16:17, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: I will work with the editor - they seem to have changed the date similarly in more than one magazine. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:31, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Joe Haldeman / Camouflage - Cover Image ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?63142 Camouflage]. The Amazon image on this pub record is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?351561 Artwork A] whereas my copy has [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1866095 Artwork B]. Can you please check your copy. If you agree, I will scan my cover, upload it and also correct the coverart record. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:56, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Mine has the correct cover image ArtwokA.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:12, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Had a better look & it's similar to ArtworkA but a bit different, but not at all like ArtworkB, will have to upload mine or find new Amazon image. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:17, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Replace image from Amazon with correct cover, will do a scan of covers in the future & replace this and some others.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:22, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::The new Amazon image to which you have linked is the correct cover and it is Artwork B; it's just that the hb cover is much darker than the pb and ebook covers. The image is not ideal because it has the "Copyrighted Material" watermarks at top and bottom. Let me know whether you'd like me to upload and link a scan from my copy or whether you'd prefer to do it yourself. Also, the pub record needs to have the current Artwork A coverart record removed and the Artwork B coverart record imported. Again, please let me know whether you'd like me to submit edits for this or whether you'd prefer to do it yourself. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 11:18, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Please go ahead and upload your cover, plus all the necessary changes. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 12:21, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I have submitted the first 3 of 5 edits. I will submit the last 2 after the first 3 have been processed. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:48, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Gaiman/Pratchett - Ein gutes Omen ==<br />
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Hi,<br />
[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?961539 this submission] of mine was wrong. Don't know what happened there, may have mistakenly pressed enter or a browser hickup. Was intended for the 3rd printing of the Piper edition, which i've entered separately. As the faulty one was approved too, i have corrected it to an entry for the first printing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5722245]. Please take a look. [[User:Welo|Welo]] ([[User talk:Welo|talk]]) 02:57, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No problem approved. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 09:21, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Hounds of God ==<br />
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You recently moderated [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41701 this] publication but did not take account of the note I made in reference to the cover art credit which is still wrong - shows Kevin Eugene Johnson not Steve Crisp. I can't edit the credit to the correct one since it's linked to the 'other' cover (the one by Johnson) that is decidedly not the same as the Steven Crisp cover. Take note that Steven Crisp and Steve Crisp are one and the same person. If you could use your moderation wand to sort that out that'd be great. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 01:15, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:to fix this I'll unmerge the incorrect cover then change to Steven Crisp and last create variant to parent name Steve Crisp.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 10:27, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:There was an existing record for this cover[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1688421] under Steven Crisp name already variated to the parent name so I just merged the two records.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 10:34, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I was aware of the pb edition but, obviously, couldn't edit the incorrect data for the hardback edition. Thanks dfor waving your magic wand over that and sorting it out. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 15:17, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Impact-20 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17894; http://bookscans.com/Publishers/pblib/pblib01.htm; I'd like to replace Impact-20 Amazon cover with Bookscans cover, color is less faded, if that's OK. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:21, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Alpha Yes, Terra No! / The Ballad of Beta-2 ==<br />
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● Can you please check your copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?282001 Alpha Yes, Terra No! / The Ballad of Beta-2]? According to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?968140 Paperback Fantastic, Volume 1: Science Fiction] the cover of <i>The Ballad of Beta-2</i> is by Jack Gaughan, who is credited with <i> Alpha Yes, Terra No!</i> instead. Before permanent credit is assigned, I would like to know. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 23:59, 29 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The crediting is correctly stated but the cover credited to Ed Vligursky does not have the usual red color somewhere on the main character.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 00:22, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Well okay. I think I got that attribution straightened out. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 02:41, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== This World Is Taboo ==<br />
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Please see [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#This_World_Is_Taboo this conversation] which would impact your verified {{P|202037|Ace Books edition}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 06:45, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pillar of Fire ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5781830; Title is missing comma after the first "tomorrow". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:41, 3 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Death's Head ==<br />
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You are PV2 for this title: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?97321 I just submitted this edit: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?97321 Cheers. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 22:53, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== In the Ocean of Night ==<br />
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Hi. I'm adding the lccn # to <br />
[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18103 In the Ocean of Night] if that's OK with you. Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 23:21, 13 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:One of the books I sold that I missed moving to transient, it appears that the LCCN is invalid did you miss type it?[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 11:18, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Just rechecked, it definitely says 77-87161. I guess I'll change that to a note. Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 20:54, 16 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Approved the new update.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 22:35, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Conquest of the Amazon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791504; Should publisher be changed to either Orbit / Futura, Orbit / Futura Publications, or Orbit Book / Futura Publications, all of them publishers already on ISFDB, since Futura is also on the title page of this book? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:57, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Avon Lem ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?165731; While adding Archive.org link in a PENDING edit I noticed there was no price so I entered it, $1.25, from top right corner. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:28, 5 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:It appears Stonecreek revered my title change & deleted the price(without notifying me), the records don't go back far enough to see what it was(the price).I no long have this book, if I was notified in 2021 I could have checked before I sold it.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 22:29, 5 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Eça de Queiroz ==<br />
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There are differences, the translation reduces the 20 chapters to 17, I've read that it changes some things, but I would have to compare, Le caverne dei diamanti is described as a version of the story and not just a translation.<br />
[https://pt.wikisource.org/wiki/As_minas_do_rei_Salom%C3%A3o Eça de Queiroz's version on Wikisource].[[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 08:36, 19 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Please be careful when adding additional authors: a reducement of chapters points toward an abridgement (which is no new version). These do occur quite frequently within translations. <br />
: For "King Solomon's Mines" [https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/As_Minas_de_Salom%C3%A3o Portuguese Wikipedia] only writes of a translation, and notes no differences; as does the cover of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?979572 this publication]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:32, 19 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:: I found a [http://classicoslitinf-juvportuguesa.blogspot.com/2014/12/as-minas-de-salomao-eca-de-queirosking.html Portuguese blog] that says that Allan (called Alão Quartermar) in Eça's version, mentions knowing about Ophir, something that is not in the original text, I read and compared the two chapters on Wikisource:<br />
[https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/King_Solomon%27s_Mines/Chapter_II Haggard]: <br />
''"'Ay,' said Evans, 'but I will spin you a queerer yarn than that;' and he went on to tell me how he had found in the far interior a ruined city, which he believed to be the Ophir of the Bible, and, by the way, other more learned men have said the same long since poor Evans' time. I was, I remember, listening open-eared to all these wonders, for I was young at the time, and this story of an ancient civilisation and of the treasures which those old Jewish or Phœnician adventurers used to extract from a country long since lapsed into the darkest barbarism took a great hold upon my imagination, when suddenly he said to me, 'Lad, did you ever hear of the Suliman Mountains up to the north-west of the Mashukulumbwe country?' I told him I never had. 'Ah, well,' he said, 'that is where Solomon really had his mines, his diamond mines, I mean.' ''<br />
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[https://pt.wikisource.org/wiki/As_minas_do_rei_Salom%C3%A3o/II Queiroz]:<br />
''And he then told me that in the interior, very inland, he had discovered an ancient city, completely in ruins, which he was sure was Ophir, the famous Ophir of the Bible. I remember well the impression and amazement with which I heard the story of this Phoenician city lost in the African wilderness, with its remains of palaces, pools, temples, collapsed columns!... But then Evans remained silent, wondering. Suddenly he says:<br />
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— Have you ever heard of the Suliman mountains, some large mountains that lie beyond the territory of Machuculumbe, to the northwest?<br />
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— No, I never heard.<br />
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— Well, my boy, that's where Solomon truly had his mines, his diamond mines!ersion<br />
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— How do you know?<br />
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— How do you know!? It's funny! It is perfectly known. What is Suliman if not a corruption of Solomon? The name of the mountains, in fact, has always been Solomon's mountains. Furthermore, a witch from the district of Manica, an old woman over a hundred years old, told me everything... That is, she told me that beyond the mountains there live a people who are of the Zulu race, and speak a dialect Zulu; but as strength and corpulence, and courage, it is worth more than the Zulus. For among these people there are seers, great sorcerers, who from generation to generation have brought the secret of a prodigious mine, which belonged to a very ancient white king, and which is still full of white stones that shine... Luckily that there is no doubt.<br />
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For me there was all doubt. The ruins of Ophir interested me, as well as our belief and the Bible; but at the mines of shining white stones, known in secret by Zulu sorcerers, I would certainly have laughed had it not been for the respect due to such a worthy hunter as Evans. At dawn Evans left, ending up sadly on the butts of a buffalo. And I no longer thought about Solomon, nor about his diamond mines.'' ~<br />
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It is possible that there are other excerpts added by Queiroz.<br />
[[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 18:44, 19 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:I'm not sure what this is about and why it's on my page? Is this to do with a submission I approved?[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:30, 19 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::You approved, but I saw that it wasn't you who changed the status of the title, it was Stonecreek. [[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 05:30, 20 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Still, adding a bit of information (or bettering an original text) in a translation does not add up to a completely new version. Other translators would perhaps add something like that in a footnote. There are numerous examples of translators enhancing an original version but don't getting any credit (except in note). And that's the crucial point here: according to the help pages, the author's name ''should be entered exactly as it actually appeared in the publication'' (that is, the title page of a novel publication). In this case there is no hint that Queiroz is credited as author. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 02:23, 20 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Adding Cover Image ==<br />
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Hi<br />
<br />
You kindly moderated a new book record I added, and I'm having trouble adding the cover image. I've uploaded the image but can't figure out how to attach it to the book record. The "how to" page makes my head spin!<br />
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Would you be kind enough to add the image to the record?<br />
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Book record: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?989057<br />
Image file: https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:DRKRSHDNWS2024.jpg<br />
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Many thanks in anticipation 😊<br />
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[[User:Nimravus|Nimravus]] ([[User talk:Nimravus|talk]]) 03:25, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Image added. After upload go to the above Image file and click on the image itself. It will take you to this wiki image page[https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/4/42/DRKRSHDNWS2024.jpg], use this page. Hope this helps.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 11:09, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks for your help 🙂 [[User:Nimravus|Nimravus]] ([[User talk:Nimravus|talk]]) 15:11, 30 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Theodore Sturgeon / Some of Your Blood ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?230029 Some of Your Blood] and will supply the month: 1961-01-00 and state the source: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360893 Galactic Central Bibliography]. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:34, 28 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Approved. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:22, 28 February 2024 (EST)</div>
Kraang
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Rtrace&diff=678829
User talk:Rtrace
2024-01-31T17:36:04Z
<p>Kraang: /* Proposed change to title novel to shortfiction */</p>
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<center>PLEASE NOTE:</center><br />
If you're writing to inform me that you've either added a missing COVER IMAGE or NOTES to any of my VERIFIED PUBS, please click [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Rtrace/Changes_to_Verified_Pubs&action=edit&section=1 HERE] and add it to the bottom of the list. A link to the pub record would be appreciated. Once the pub has been reviewed, I'll remove your note from the list. Thanks. Ron (Rtrace)<br />
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See <br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive]] (2007-2009 [1])<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive2]] (2009 [2])<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive3]] (2010)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive4]] (2011)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive5]] (2012)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive6]] (2013)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive7]] (2014)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive8]] (2015)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive9]] (2016)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive10]] (2017)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive11]] (2018)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive12]] (2019)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive13]] (2020)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive14]] (2021)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive15]] (2022)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive16]] (2023)<br />
for older discussions.<br />
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== Cover Image Licenses ==<br />
<br />
When using the "Upload new cover scan" option from a publication page, the software will automatically add a licensing template pre-populated with the publication information. In this case, you do not need to select a license under the "Licensing" pull down on the upload page (as it creates adds a second, incomplete template that needs to be cleaned up). The "Licensing" pull down only needs to be used when using the upload option from the wiki directly. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:42, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Thanks. Good to know. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:49, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?985361 Starman Jones] audio reading ==<br />
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Hi, Ron! Just wondering: the noted narrator and the one stated on the cover image do differ. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:16, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:You are correct. But is appears that the cover has the incorrect narrator. Audible credits Paul Michael Garcia in their [https://www.audible.com/pd/Starman-Jones-Audiobook/B002UZQYN0 current listing] and I re-listened to the credits in the audio book which which also credit Garcia. I had already checked that the current cover on the Audible site (the same as linked in the publication record), matches the one I downloaded when I purchased this book in 2011. The images are identical and both credit Powers, apparently incorrectly, as you noticed. I'll add a note that pictured credit is incorrect. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:30, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Kioga Titles ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=kioga%3A&type=All+Titles; Should those all say "informal"? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:54, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Corrected. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:58, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Amazing Stories, October 1960 ==<br />
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Regarding {{P|56651|Amazing Stories, October 1960}}: Would you mind checking the artwork on page 83? It is listed as "The Missionary [2]" by Bernklau, but Bernklau did the "Seeing Eye" artwork right before and Emsh did the "The Missionary" artwork after it. Should this be "Seeing Eye [2]"? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:40, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I agree and have made the change. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:07, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::OK by me.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] ([[User talk:Swfritter|talk]]) 18:52, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== HIstórias Extraordinárias N.7 ==<br />
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Hello Rtrace, thanks for reviewing and approving my submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5838401 5838401].<br />
I must have missed some information in it because it is not appearing as part of the series in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?67858 magazine series page] in the 2023 December slot.<br />
Could you please fix it or tell me where I should insert the pertinent information so it can appear there?<br />
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Thanks! [[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 13:00, 9 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hi Pugno<br />
:Magazines are just a little bit tricky and involve at least one edit beyond the initial one to get everything correct. One thing that you missed in adding this record was to add the series name, "Histórias Extraordinárias", in the Title Data section of the New Magazine screen. Had you done this, your new record would have appeared in the Issue Grid. However, even had you don that, there still would be an addition step to do. We can take care of the series name at the same time that we do this second step. You may have noticed that Magazine and Fanzine records have a special Title record of type EDITOR. Also that title record contains all the publications (issues) for a given calendar year that have the same editors. For example, the title record for 2023 for Histórias Extraordinárias is {{T|3180646|here}}. You'll notice that the title is different that that of the individual issues ("Histórias Extraordinárias - 2023") and that the date is for the year only i.e. no month or day. For the first issue that is added for a given year, the EDITOR title record has to be edited to change those fields. In this case, since the 2023 title already exists, all we need to do is to merge your newly created EDITOR title ({{T|3265222|here}} with the existing 2023 title. The best way to do that is to go to any of the three editor's pages and select "Show All Titles". Then find the two titles in question ("Histórias Extraordinárias - 2023" and "Histórias Extraordinárias, Dezembro 2023"). Select the check boxes next to these and click the "Merge Selected Records" button. This will take you to an intermediate page to resolve the conflicts between the two records. Select the title with the dash and the year, the series name and the date without the month and click "Complete Merge". Once that edit is approved, things will appear as they should. Please go ahead and give it a try if you feel comfortable with the instructions. If not, feel free to ask questions or if you'd like me to take care of the merge for you. I'm happy to do so, but wanted to give you the change to learn how to do this. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:38, 9 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::Hi Rtrace<br />
::I am not sure I understood it all :) So what I did was to submit a change ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5856081 #5856081]) and I kindly ask you to please adjust it accordingly so it can appear correctly in the series page. I tried to follow your instructions and use the "Show All Titles" that you mentioned but alas, couldn't find it. I am sorry.<br />
::In the meantime, for the same magazine, I will also submit a number of changes to create variants of interiorarts, since they are the same art appearing in different spots, just zoomed in. Thanks! [[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 22:55, 10 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::I'll go ahead and do the merge. For the next time you need it, the "Show All Titles" link in on the author bibliography page e.g. {{A|Mario Cavalcanti}}. In the left menu, under "Editing Tools", it's the 4th item down (or the second from the bottom, I've got the Moderator link first, which I'm not sure you can see, so your count may differ). In any case, thanks for your contributions on these. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:41, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::Rtrace, thank you very much for your help. I hadn't realized that the "Show all Titles" link could be accessed via the author bibliography page. Now it is clear! Now I submitted two variant adjustements, #[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5856083 5856083] and #[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5856084 5856084] to correctly set two interior arts. Could you please see to it? Once it is done, I will clone the magazine to create its ebook version. Once again, thanks a lot!! [[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 21:35, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::Both approved. You can proceed with cloning. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:38, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::Thanks Rtrace! I just cloned it. Submission #[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5857813 5857813] - hope it is all OK. Thanks again! [[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 17:20, 12 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Fourth Invasion by Alvim Correa ==<br />
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I saw that you registered Black Infinity, Fall 2018 and have two INTERIORART attributed to Alvim Corrrea, wouldn't it be a case of turning it into a variant of La guerre des mondes? [[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 08:57, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I wouldn't think so. Those are two individual illustrations. Whereas, {{T|743875|La guerre des mondes}} is the full set of illustrations for a book. We don't generally make variant titles for only part of the whole (excepting serials). --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:44, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Exhalation ==<br />
In Your pv pub [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?788223 CoNZealand: 78th World Science Fiction Convention] there is an interiorart [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2763640 Exhalation (cover)] as a variant of "Exhalation" cover. In the ISFDB there are three cover titles Exhalation: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2780439 here], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2777439 here] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2553590 here]. Can You please have a look which one is the right one or is there another fittig title? Thank You. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 18:16, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:It's the Shutterstock cover. I'm guessing that we hadn't identified the "artist" it at the time I entered the ConZealand book, or I would have linked it then. I'm not thrilled with identifying Shutterstock as an artist. My impression is that they are more of a licensing company than a creator of artwork, but I'll defer to the verifier of publication. All linked now. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:54, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Robert Anton Wilson / Schrödinger's Cat - Glossary ==<br />
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Posted on the Talk pages of Rtrace, Marc Kupper, Spacecow<br />
<br>All of the publications: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49137 The Universe Next Door] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29062 The Trick Top Hat] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29063 The Homing Pigeons] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?985980 Schrödinger's Cat Trilogy] have a glossary at the back. I have all four of these pubs and have compared the glossaries and they are all the same. There is an existing ISFDb record for the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?656785 glossary] and it is present in the omnibus (all five print versions) but none of the individual volumes. Hence I propose to import it into each of these three pubs. As a consequence, I will also change the disambiguation from the omnibus name to the series name, ie from "Glossary (Schrödinger's Cat Trilogy)" to "Glossary (Schrödinger's Cat)". Is all this ok with you? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:38, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I've no objections. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:19, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== K. J. Parker's Relics/Under My Skin ==<br />
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You've PVed the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?934729 2023 Under My Skin] collection. One of the Hugo novella nominees seems to be the story [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3160540 Relics], which seems like [https://csfdb.cn/works/34951 it was first published in Chinese translation in 2022]. Can you have a look at the copyright page (which isn't part of Amazon's preview of the ebook) to see if that's correct? Thanks!<br />
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BTW, I'm not rushing to do the Hugos, given the errors in the nom report e.g. at least two duplicated nominees... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:28, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:The Parker story gives a 2023 copyright and states "First appeared in this volume". That would appear to ignore the translation. I am adding nomination data for the Hugos, though the Chinese titles are giving me trouble. Please feel free to correct any errors that you see that I've made. The duplicate nominees were called out in one of the blogs, which I'm keeping an eye on. There's definitely several odd things about the nomination statistics. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:43, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3107243 This] is Fungi Song according to [https://csfdb.cn/works/37152 CSFDB]. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:03, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::: Hi, I'm just slowly going over the Chinese entries. I've added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3272563 a title record] for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3272563 this "stub" award entry], but I'm perplexed how to get it to show the author name in the award record. Any ideas?<br />
::: Thanks! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 12:35, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::I took care of it. The author needs to be listed in the "untitled" award record before it is linked. I unlinked them, added the author and then re-linked them. The title and author fields are not editable in an award that has been linked to a title record.<br />
::::For the other two above, were you going to add the original Chinese publications? In both cases, the nomination was for the Chinese version of the story as opposed to English original/translation. I can help link them if you'd like, or you can proceed, but to avoid the above problem, the author's name should be added to the award record prior to linking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:13, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::: Yeah, I'll do those short fiction records when I get to them - I'm planning on cleaning up one category a day.<br />
::::: Did you get very far on researching 余光 aka Residual Light (#13 in the Best Novel noms)? I noticed you hadn't done that one. Arthur Liu (CSFDB head honcho) mentioned that they couldn't track it down, even though it looked like it was a Chinese story. I've now found [https://www.everand.com/read/653149574/Residual-Light a very weird 2023 English language pub] that looks to be (machine?) translated from another language, I'm wondering if that's it? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:55, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::I didn't really go much past checking Worldcat, amazon.cn, and google. I'm interpreting whichever language is listed first as the one that was nominated in cases of translated works. Since authors are not listed, I've omitted them if I wasn't able to find the nominee, which was the case with this one. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:49, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::: Cheers; with the help of someone in (I think) Indonesia, we managed to identify what exactly Residual Light is, and I've added a proper title record and updated the award record, so I think this one is as good as it's going to get. Apparently one of the Best Series nominees is related to it, but I've not looked into it as yet.<br />
::::::: Will try to start on some of the other categories tomorrow - not had chance today. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:26, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Robert A. Heinlein / Stranger in a Strange Land ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?297700 Stranger in a Strange Land] and have added notes and also deleted OCLC/Worldcat: 220513743 because it refers to a different edition (1977, 21cm (ie hc) and different ISBNs). My submission is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5865682 here]. I cannot find a record on OCLC/Worldcat for this specific printing but this pub record has been SVd to OCLC/Worldcat by Bluesman who is no longer active. Is it possible to get SVs by inactive verifiers removed? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:27, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I've approved your edit and removed the Worldcat verification. Any moderator can remove a secondary verification, but since that feature was added, I'm the only one to use it. I only do so when the verifier is inactive. In any case, thanks for your edit. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:32, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Girl in a Swing ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?11141; 1980 UK HC on Archive.org says, on back flap, that Reginald George Haggar, who has his own Wikipedia page, did the cover art; edition you PV says Karen Murray. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:27, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Murray is credited on the back cover. If you look closely at the two covers, they are subtly different. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:00, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::SFE also says Murray for the HC so maybe that's why someone entered it. I made 2 edits, one adding archived link and note about last unnumbered page and the other unmerging cover art. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:25, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== SF Writer's Workshop ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?102360; You entered price for Owlswick TP, as can be seen on back cover of archived copy, https://archive.org/search?query=longyear+workshop, the price is much lower, I'm letting you know in case something needs fixing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:56, 23 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:It would appear that Chalker/Owings got the price wrong. Please go ahead and update it. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:00, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== First Men in the Moon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5859839; I didn't actually erase anything at the time I made my edit, it's just that it took so long to be approved that the UK guy with the slang, who made an edit at almost exactly the same time as I did, has an edit queue much shorter than mine (as does pretty much everyone else) so it got approved first, which can easily be seen by going to edit history, so our edits conflicted. So I'm going to make another edit just adding archived link which he didn't do. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:45, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Odd that I didn't get the warning that the record was updated since the edit was submitted. You should probably refrain from adding archive.org links pending the results of [[Rules and standards discussions#Linking to third party Web pages -- defining "legally posted"|this discussion]]. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:49, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::You should read the message from long-time mod Marty just above yours in that discussion where he says it is not ISFDB's place to decide what's legal or not, we just make links and if the host of the link gets a request to take certain works down for whatever reason then we can just remove the link, which is exactly what I said earlier in that thread. I made a simple message about Moondust a few days ago and it's somehow gotten blown completely out of proportion; if anyone had a problem with ISFDB hosting links they would have told you so long ago. Just let it go and move on. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:57, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::Of course I read it. However, a single post in a discussion does not signify that the community has reached consensus on the issue. Unless there is consensus on the issue or consensus that we should keep adding such links while discussing (the question I raised), I will not be approving any edits adding the potentially problematic links. I would expect that the other moderators would behave in the same manner. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:03, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::There is rarely any consensus reached on anything discussed here; things usually just peter out without anything being decided. I know one thing, deciding to remove thousands of Internet Archive links, very many of which were added by me and were used by me and others as research tools to add/correct info here, because someone is paranoid that the internet police are going to come after this site after not doing so for the nearly 20 years it's been open to public editing, is the last option anyone should consider. We don't host, we post. My suggestion would be to just add a line or two to the legalese saying that links are only to be used for private use (i.e. reading the book) or research/study (that's what we do here) and, boom, issue solved. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:12, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::It would make fare more sense to raise your points on the Rules and Standards discussion rather than here. I see you've made other points, but not these. Regardless, this question isn't going to be resolved on my talk page. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:34, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Proposed change to title novel to shortfiction ==<br />
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Hi Ron. Faustus is looking to change[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5874311] a novel to shortfiction in a 1928 magazine due to it's low page count, your the only PV.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:38, 30 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:That's fine. I checked Miller/Contento and they have it as a novelette. It appears that [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] made the variant. Perhaps he misread "nv" as novel, assuming Miller/Contento was his source. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:05, 31 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Thanks, I'll make the changes.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 12:36, 31 January 2024 (EST)</div>
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If you're writing to inform me that you've either added a missing COVER IMAGE or NOTES to any of my VERIFIED PUBS, please click [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Rtrace/Changes_to_Verified_Pubs&action=edit&section=1 HERE] and add it to the bottom of the list. A link to the pub record would be appreciated. Once the pub has been reviewed, I'll remove your note from the list. Thanks. Ron (Rtrace)<br />
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See <br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive]] (2007-2009 [1])<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive2]] (2009 [2])<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive3]] (2010)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive4]] (2011)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive5]] (2012)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive6]] (2013)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive7]] (2014)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive8]] (2015)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive9]] (2016)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive10]] (2017)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive11]] (2018)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive12]] (2019)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive13]] (2020)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive14]] (2021)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive15]] (2022)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive16]] (2023)<br />
for older discussions.<br />
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== Cover Image Licenses ==<br />
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When using the "Upload new cover scan" option from a publication page, the software will automatically add a licensing template pre-populated with the publication information. In this case, you do not need to select a license under the "Licensing" pull down on the upload page (as it creates adds a second, incomplete template that needs to be cleaned up). The "Licensing" pull down only needs to be used when using the upload option from the wiki directly. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:42, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Thanks. Good to know. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:49, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?985361 Starman Jones] audio reading ==<br />
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Hi, Ron! Just wondering: the noted narrator and the one stated on the cover image do differ. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:16, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:You are correct. But is appears that the cover has the incorrect narrator. Audible credits Paul Michael Garcia in their [https://www.audible.com/pd/Starman-Jones-Audiobook/B002UZQYN0 current listing] and I re-listened to the credits in the audio book which which also credit Garcia. I had already checked that the current cover on the Audible site (the same as linked in the publication record), matches the one I downloaded when I purchased this book in 2011. The images are identical and both credit Powers, apparently incorrectly, as you noticed. I'll add a note that pictured credit is incorrect. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:30, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Kioga Titles ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=kioga%3A&type=All+Titles; Should those all say "informal"? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:54, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Corrected. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:58, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Amazing Stories, October 1960 ==<br />
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Regarding {{P|56651|Amazing Stories, October 1960}}: Would you mind checking the artwork on page 83? It is listed as "The Missionary [2]" by Bernklau, but Bernklau did the "Seeing Eye" artwork right before and Emsh did the "The Missionary" artwork after it. Should this be "Seeing Eye [2]"? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:40, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I agree and have made the change. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:07, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::OK by me.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] ([[User talk:Swfritter|talk]]) 18:52, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== HIstórias Extraordinárias N.7 ==<br />
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Hello Rtrace, thanks for reviewing and approving my submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5838401 5838401].<br />
I must have missed some information in it because it is not appearing as part of the series in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?67858 magazine series page] in the 2023 December slot.<br />
Could you please fix it or tell me where I should insert the pertinent information so it can appear there?<br />
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Thanks! [[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 13:00, 9 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hi Pugno<br />
:Magazines are just a little bit tricky and involve at least one edit beyond the initial one to get everything correct. One thing that you missed in adding this record was to add the series name, "Histórias Extraordinárias", in the Title Data section of the New Magazine screen. Had you done this, your new record would have appeared in the Issue Grid. However, even had you don that, there still would be an addition step to do. We can take care of the series name at the same time that we do this second step. You may have noticed that Magazine and Fanzine records have a special Title record of type EDITOR. Also that title record contains all the publications (issues) for a given calendar year that have the same editors. For example, the title record for 2023 for Histórias Extraordinárias is {{T|3180646|here}}. You'll notice that the title is different that that of the individual issues ("Histórias Extraordinárias - 2023") and that the date is for the year only i.e. no month or day. For the first issue that is added for a given year, the EDITOR title record has to be edited to change those fields. In this case, since the 2023 title already exists, all we need to do is to merge your newly created EDITOR title ({{T|3265222|here}} with the existing 2023 title. The best way to do that is to go to any of the three editor's pages and select "Show All Titles". Then find the two titles in question ("Histórias Extraordinárias - 2023" and "Histórias Extraordinárias, Dezembro 2023"). Select the check boxes next to these and click the "Merge Selected Records" button. This will take you to an intermediate page to resolve the conflicts between the two records. Select the title with the dash and the year, the series name and the date without the month and click "Complete Merge". Once that edit is approved, things will appear as they should. Please go ahead and give it a try if you feel comfortable with the instructions. If not, feel free to ask questions or if you'd like me to take care of the merge for you. I'm happy to do so, but wanted to give you the change to learn how to do this. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:38, 9 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::Hi Rtrace<br />
::I am not sure I understood it all :) So what I did was to submit a change ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5856081 #5856081]) and I kindly ask you to please adjust it accordingly so it can appear correctly in the series page. I tried to follow your instructions and use the "Show All Titles" that you mentioned but alas, couldn't find it. I am sorry.<br />
::In the meantime, for the same magazine, I will also submit a number of changes to create variants of interiorarts, since they are the same art appearing in different spots, just zoomed in. Thanks! [[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 22:55, 10 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::I'll go ahead and do the merge. For the next time you need it, the "Show All Titles" link in on the author bibliography page e.g. {{A|Mario Cavalcanti}}. In the left menu, under "Editing Tools", it's the 4th item down (or the second from the bottom, I've got the Moderator link first, which I'm not sure you can see, so your count may differ). In any case, thanks for your contributions on these. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:41, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::Rtrace, thank you very much for your help. I hadn't realized that the "Show all Titles" link could be accessed via the author bibliography page. Now it is clear! Now I submitted two variant adjustements, #[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5856083 5856083] and #[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5856084 5856084] to correctly set two interior arts. Could you please see to it? Once it is done, I will clone the magazine to create its ebook version. Once again, thanks a lot!! [[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 21:35, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::Both approved. You can proceed with cloning. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:38, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::Thanks Rtrace! I just cloned it. Submission #[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5857813 5857813] - hope it is all OK. Thanks again! [[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 17:20, 12 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Fourth Invasion by Alvim Correa ==<br />
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I saw that you registered Black Infinity, Fall 2018 and have two INTERIORART attributed to Alvim Corrrea, wouldn't it be a case of turning it into a variant of La guerre des mondes? [[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 08:57, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I wouldn't think so. Those are two individual illustrations. Whereas, {{T|743875|La guerre des mondes}} is the full set of illustrations for a book. We don't generally make variant titles for only part of the whole (excepting serials). --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:44, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Exhalation ==<br />
In Your pv pub [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?788223 CoNZealand: 78th World Science Fiction Convention] there is an interiorart [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2763640 Exhalation (cover)] as a variant of "Exhalation" cover. In the ISFDB there are three cover titles Exhalation: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2780439 here], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2777439 here] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2553590 here]. Can You please have a look which one is the right one or is there another fittig title? Thank You. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 18:16, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:It's the Shutterstock cover. I'm guessing that we hadn't identified the "artist" it at the time I entered the ConZealand book, or I would have linked it then. I'm not thrilled with identifying Shutterstock as an artist. My impression is that they are more of a licensing company than a creator of artwork, but I'll defer to the verifier of publication. All linked now. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:54, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Robert Anton Wilson / Schrödinger's Cat - Glossary ==<br />
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Posted on the Talk pages of Rtrace, Marc Kupper, Spacecow<br />
<br>All of the publications: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49137 The Universe Next Door] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29062 The Trick Top Hat] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29063 The Homing Pigeons] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?985980 Schrödinger's Cat Trilogy] have a glossary at the back. I have all four of these pubs and have compared the glossaries and they are all the same. There is an existing ISFDb record for the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?656785 glossary] and it is present in the omnibus (all five print versions) but none of the individual volumes. Hence I propose to import it into each of these three pubs. As a consequence, I will also change the disambiguation from the omnibus name to the series name, ie from "Glossary (Schrödinger's Cat Trilogy)" to "Glossary (Schrödinger's Cat)". Is all this ok with you? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:38, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I've no objections. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:19, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== K. J. Parker's Relics/Under My Skin ==<br />
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You've PVed the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?934729 2023 Under My Skin] collection. One of the Hugo novella nominees seems to be the story [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3160540 Relics], which seems like [https://csfdb.cn/works/34951 it was first published in Chinese translation in 2022]. Can you have a look at the copyright page (which isn't part of Amazon's preview of the ebook) to see if that's correct? Thanks!<br />
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BTW, I'm not rushing to do the Hugos, given the errors in the nom report e.g. at least two duplicated nominees... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:28, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:The Parker story gives a 2023 copyright and states "First appeared in this volume". That would appear to ignore the translation. I am adding nomination data for the Hugos, though the Chinese titles are giving me trouble. Please feel free to correct any errors that you see that I've made. The duplicate nominees were called out in one of the blogs, which I'm keeping an eye on. There's definitely several odd things about the nomination statistics. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:43, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3107243 This] is Fungi Song according to [https://csfdb.cn/works/37152 CSFDB]. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:03, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::: Hi, I'm just slowly going over the Chinese entries. I've added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3272563 a title record] for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3272563 this "stub" award entry], but I'm perplexed how to get it to show the author name in the award record. Any ideas?<br />
::: Thanks! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 12:35, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::I took care of it. The author needs to be listed in the "untitled" award record before it is linked. I unlinked them, added the author and then re-linked them. The title and author fields are not editable in an award that has been linked to a title record.<br />
::::For the other two above, were you going to add the original Chinese publications? In both cases, the nomination was for the Chinese version of the story as opposed to English original/translation. I can help link them if you'd like, or you can proceed, but to avoid the above problem, the author's name should be added to the award record prior to linking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:13, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::: Yeah, I'll do those short fiction records when I get to them - I'm planning on cleaning up one category a day.<br />
::::: Did you get very far on researching 余光 aka Residual Light (#13 in the Best Novel noms)? I noticed you hadn't done that one. Arthur Liu (CSFDB head honcho) mentioned that they couldn't track it down, even though it looked like it was a Chinese story. I've now found [https://www.everand.com/read/653149574/Residual-Light a very weird 2023 English language pub] that looks to be (machine?) translated from another language, I'm wondering if that's it? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:55, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::I didn't really go much past checking Worldcat, amazon.cn, and google. I'm interpreting whichever language is listed first as the one that was nominated in cases of translated works. Since authors are not listed, I've omitted them if I wasn't able to find the nominee, which was the case with this one. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:49, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::: Cheers; with the help of someone in (I think) Indonesia, we managed to identify what exactly Residual Light is, and I've added a proper title record and updated the award record, so I think this one is as good as it's going to get. Apparently one of the Best Series nominees is related to it, but I've not looked into it as yet.<br />
::::::: Will try to start on some of the other categories tomorrow - not had chance today. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:26, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Robert A. Heinlein / Stranger in a Strange Land ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?297700 Stranger in a Strange Land] and have added notes and also deleted OCLC/Worldcat: 220513743 because it refers to a different edition (1977, 21cm (ie hc) and different ISBNs). My submission is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5865682 here]. I cannot find a record on OCLC/Worldcat for this specific printing but this pub record has been SVd to OCLC/Worldcat by Bluesman who is no longer active. Is it possible to get SVs by inactive verifiers removed? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:27, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I've approved your edit and removed the Worldcat verification. Any moderator can remove a secondary verification, but since that feature was added, I'm the only one to use it. I only do so when the verifier is inactive. In any case, thanks for your edit. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:32, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Girl in a Swing ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?11141; 1980 UK HC on Archive.org says, on back flap, that Reginald George Haggar, who has his own Wikipedia page, did the cover art; edition you PV says Karen Murray. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:27, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Murray is credited on the back cover. If you look closely at the two covers, they are subtly different. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:00, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::SFE also says Murray for the HC so maybe that's why someone entered it. I made 2 edits, one adding archived link and note about last unnumbered page and the other unmerging cover art. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:25, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== SF Writer's Workshop ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?102360; You entered price for Owlswick TP, as can be seen on back cover of archived copy, https://archive.org/search?query=longyear+workshop, the price is much lower, I'm letting you know in case something needs fixing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:56, 23 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:It would appear that Chalker/Owings got the price wrong. Please go ahead and update it. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:00, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== First Men in the Moon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5859839; I didn't actually erase anything at the time I made my edit, it's just that it took so long to be approved that the UK guy with the slang, who made an edit at almost exactly the same time as I did, has an edit queue much shorter than mine (as does pretty much everyone else) so it got approved first, which can easily be seen by going to edit history, so our edits conflicted. So I'm going to make another edit just adding archived link which he didn't do. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:45, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Odd that I didn't get the warning that the record was updated since the edit was submitted. You should probably refrain from adding archive.org links pending the results of [[Rules and standards discussions#Linking to third party Web pages -- defining "legally posted"|this discussion]]. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:49, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::You should read the message from long-time mod Marty just above yours in that discussion where he says it is not ISFDB's place to decide what's legal or not, we just make links and if the host of the link gets a request to take certain works down for whatever reason then we can just remove the link, which is exactly what I said earlier in that thread. I made a simple message about Moondust a few days ago and it's somehow gotten blown completely out of proportion; if anyone had a problem with ISFDB hosting links they would have told you so long ago. Just let it go and move on. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:57, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::Of course I read it. However, a single post in a discussion does not signify that the community has reached consensus on the issue. Unless there is consensus on the issue or consensus that we should keep adding such links while discussing (the question I raised), I will not be approving any edits adding the potentially problematic links. I would expect that the other moderators would behave in the same manner. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:03, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::There is rarely any consensus reached on anything discussed here; things usually just peter out without anything being decided. I know one thing, deciding to remove thousands of Internet Archive links, very many of which were added by me and were used by me and others as research tools to add/correct info here, because someone is paranoid that the internet police are going to come after this site after not doing so for the nearly 20 years it's been open to public editing, is the last option anyone should consider. We don't host, we post. My suggestion would be to just add a line or two to the legalese saying that links are only to be used for private use (i.e. reading the book) or research/study (that's what we do here) and, boom, issue solved. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:12, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::It would make fare more sense to raise your points on the Rules and Standards discussion rather than here. I see you've made other points, but not these. Regardless, this question isn't going to be resolved on my talk page. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:34, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Proposed change to title novel to shortfiction ==<br />
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Hi Ron. Faustus is looking to change[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5874311] a novel to shortfiction in a 1928 magazine due to it's low page count, your the only PV.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:38, 30 January 2024 (EST)</div>
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== SF: The Year's Greatest Science-Fiction and Fantasy Second Annual Volume / Title change discussion ==<br />
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Please respond at [[User_talk:GlennMcG#SF:_The_Year.27s_Greatest_Science-Fiction_and_Fantasy_Second_Annual_Volume_.2F_Shared_title_change_discussion|GlennMcG talk]]. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 19:52, 1 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Reeve - Station Zero ==<br />
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Hi, first off, thanks for your moderating my submissions! Out of curiousity, what went wrong with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5533261 this submission] where you fixed the HTML? Was it two spaces instead of one between the text and the link? That's the only difference I can see. Thanks for fixing it anyway! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:00, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:There was an extra "< / ul >" that appeared to be the problem, since you use a similar template in notes I looked at a previous one & removed the extra. Happy to moderate submissions, took a couple of months of now I'm back.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:26, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Ah, found it, thanks, and welcome back! Incidentally, these two submissions [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5530361 5530361] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5530366 5530366] have been hanging around for a while. I wondered if they've dropped out of moderators sight...? Kev.--[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:55, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Wow! Thanks! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:04, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Daniel Boring ==<br />
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Hi, Kraang. I have a (slightly ridiculous) question about [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?103216| David Boring]. Back in 2009, you added the note about it being reviewed in an SF publication. Do you know which? It doesn't have any reviews listed right now. I know it's been years, but I'm curious. Thanks! —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 03:13, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:No idea now. I did a lot of cleanup of non-genre & graphic novels at the time. Possibly a link to the review has been deleted, being of a graphic novel. Now all that is left is the novel & my note. Hope this helps.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 12:11, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Aha! I found it: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1299001]. I'll change it back to a review. —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 12:16, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::: I would not change it to a review - the graphic novel is NOT eligible to be here... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:54, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== La canción de Bêlit ==<br />
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The novel was published in Brazil, but they divided it into four parts, only volume 1 came out, how do I register?[[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 14:16, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Add the publication in as a Chapbook and in the Regular Title section add (Part 1 of 4) or (Vol 1) after title, then make title type a serial. Are the other three parts going to be published? If not then a note would help explain it's intension to be a novel but has not been completed. Hope this helps, I'll lookout for your submission.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:33, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::the publisher's page says it would be published in two volumes, the cover artist's Facebook page says in four parts, however, only the first volume was published, nothing was said if there will be continuation. I think the illustrator is right, as the original book has 572 pages and this one has 176. In the original book, it seems to already be divided into 4 parts. [[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 12:21, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Looking at the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?932583 original (2017) Spanish text], I see the following note:<br />
:::* Robert E. Howard's [novelette] "La Reina de la Costa Negra", which is included in its entirety in this novel, was originally published in ''Weird Tales'' in May 1934 as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?68499 "The Queen of the Black Coast."] The Spanish translation is the work of Rodolfo Martínez [...]<br />
::: This explains why the title page and the cover credit both Howard and Martínez. I suggest that we add Howard's name to the Spanish title as well as to the proposed Portuguese title.<br />
::: I can also confirm that the Spanish original consists of 4 "cuarta"s ("quarters"), so it seems likely that a 176-page book would contain the first "quarter" as opposed to the first half of the original, which is 572 pages long. Furthermore, the Spanish original is 168K words long. The four "quarters" are novella length since they are under the 40K limit:<br />
:::* First "quarter" -- 19%<br />
:::* Second "quarter" -- 23%<br />
:::* Third "quarter" -- 23%<br />
:::* Fourth "quarter" -- 21%<br />
:::* Appendices, including Martínez's translation of Howard's fictionalized essay [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?121948 "The Hyborian Age"] -- 12%<br />
::: This means that Kraang's guess above is correct and they are, in ISFDB terms, SERIALs as opposed to "split novels". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:33, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::Yes, the subtitle in Portuguese is "A tigresa e o leão", which is the same as "la tigresa y el léon" described as "libro primero" (first book).[[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 19:45, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
Enter the first book with as much detail you can find & I'll fix it up as best I can. I'll deal with the other submission tomorrow night when I get home. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:24, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::A second book was published [https://aveceditora.com.br/produto/a-cancao-de-belit-2 A canção de Bêlit: a última jornada][[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 09:57, 1 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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I understand, in fact the novel is divided into four parts and each book publishes two parts. [[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 09:29, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pwendt for self-approver ==<br />
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Hi, Kraang. Happy New Year! I hope to be a self-approver imminently. I prefer to be nominated by another, but I plan to nominate myself ("Self-nomination for self-approver") sometime tomorrow if none of you, plural, is available ready and willing in the next 20 hours or so. I write to a couple others too. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:42, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Back form short holiday will support self-approver.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:34, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Theodora Goss / The Thorn and the Blossom - Deletion Problem ==<br />
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You have processed all my submissions for this title to date but I'm now stuck on a step. As you know, I'm converting this from a Chapbook with a Novella to a Collection with two Novelettes. I now want to delete the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1347059 Novella record] as it has no associated pubs but I can't. When I try to "Delete This Title", I get the message "Error: 1 awards still refer to this title". There is no option to remove the Award or the Reviews so how do I go about deleting the Novella? Incidentally, I have taken a note of the Award and 5 Reviews and will import them to the container title for the Collection once it has been created. Thanks in advance for your help. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 07:54, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Yes, but it seems it is the piece of shortfiction that got the award, and it should have been published somewhere (or was it handed to one of the two new titles?). Or it may be possible to link the award to the collection instead. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:02, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I'll have a look at this tonight. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 11:33, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Ok everything should be fixed, the award & reviews are there , except the award describes it as "Best Novelette". Maybe an explanation should be added to explain the difference.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 13:38, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::All looks good now, thanks. One last piece of tidying up: deletion of the old, incorrectly titled Interiorart record. I have submitted an edit to do this. I see where you're coming from regarding an explanation of the Locus award as "Best Novelette" but I have no idea why Locus considered it to be a Novelette. The approx word counts are: Brendan's Story - 10,500 and Evelyn's Story - 10,900. So even if you consider the whole work to be a single piece of fiction (which it isn't), the total word count is 21,400 hence Novella. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:46, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Link fix ==<br />
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Thanks for your time fixing that wrong image link :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:42, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Asimov - I, Robot - by Fawcett Crest ==<br />
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Hi, re your {{P|205693|PV here}}, this is just a heads-up to point to my discussion with Tom [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Taweiss#Asimov_-_I.2C_Robot Taweiss] regarding Fawcett covers and this {{P|205285|1970 printing}}. You might find something there for yours. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 00:53, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I'll have a look at my copy tonight and see if there is anything to add. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 12:32, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Self-Approver ==<br />
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Hello, as you're in the list of moderators handling my most recent submission, can you please comment on https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Self-Moderation_Request? --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 06:43, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== :) ==<br />
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Thanks for the work you're doing and for fixing the asterisk - don't know how that got in there... Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:59, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Easy fix once I figured out what was wrong, was not obvious at first.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:14, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Signet -> Signet / New American Library ==<br />
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Any objection to changing this to Signet / New American Library<br><br />
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<li>https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?229073</li><br />
</ul>--[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] ([[User talk:Spacecow|talk]]) 04:13, 12 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Please submit the change. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 11:23, 12 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== :) ==<br />
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Many thanks! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:56, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I'll have a go at the rest tomorrow if there still on the board. I see what you are doing but in a way that may take a bit of unmerging and re merging. I need to look at all the relevant edits before I proceed. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:06, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Please don't take any actions further to my outstanding edits (apart from approval or not), as I'm aware of everything that needs to be done going forward and I'm tracking it all - what needs to be done in which order. Thanks again, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:26, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK, I'll do them now. As an alternative method just unmerge the publications & rename if necessary, then remerged with the correct title record. Generally this will have less steps. Hope this helps. :)[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:43, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Yes, I tried considering the number of steps involved, trying to work out the most efficient (and I've unmerged/remerged in the past) but I opted for the simple one-step-at-a time approach as the whole thing is quite complex. But thanks for your considerate thought :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:47, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Getting back to my 'pending', I see you've cleared them all. What excellent communication! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:50, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
Happy to help. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:54, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Impressive! Thanks again :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:20, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Incorrect info added to database ==<br />
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Hello Kraang, I am one of the editors of the Brazilian magazine Histórias Extraordinárias. We have published six issues so far. The latest one was published in April 2023 and it has been added recently to the database (submission #5652271).<br />
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I noticed that two more records appeared, probably submitted by someone else but approved by you. They somehow duplicate the info (with much less detail), but incorrectly state that Histórias Extraordinárias is an ANTHOLOGY, which it is not. It is a magazine that publishes new material.<br />
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The incorrect publication records are: #950021 and #950023.<br />
We just launched all six issues in digital versions (PDF) so I believe that the submitter wants to include them. I agree that they should appear as different format, but we should at least just duplicate the existing information (which is "official" and more comprehensive) changing only the format. Can you please help us in this regard once we sort out these two "rogue" records? :)<br />
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The six magazine issues so far are the following:<br />
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{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ Histórias Extraordinárias Magazine<br />
|-<br />
! Issue number !! detail !! Pub record !! Incorrect<br />
|-<br />
| Issue 1|| December 2020|| #913217|| #950021<br />
|-<br />
| Issue 2 || April 2021|| #914003|| #950023<br />
|-<br />
| Issue 3 || August 2021|| #914004||<br />
|-<br />
| Issue 4 || December 2021|| #914005||<br />
|-<br />
| Issue 5 || August 2022|| #915288||<br />
|-<br />
| Issue 6 || April 2023|| #950024||<br />
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|}<br />
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As a side note, the latest issue is not appearing in the publication series #67858. I spotted a difference in how the title is formatted in the Title Record and submitted a change request in order to correct it (submission #5659612). I ask you to please review and apply the suitable correction. Thanks!<br />
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--[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 22:32, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Sorry about the mix-up, if I had realized it was a magazine I would have left it for some one else. I'll have a look at the submission and approve if it looks ok, if I'm uncertain I'll flag it for a mod who deals more with magazines. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:14, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I think the best thing to do is delete the rogue entries and the you can submit a clone of an existing pub with the necessary changes.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:22, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Rogue records have been deleted, just use the cloning option, this way no merging or changing title records is necessary, everything will be where it should be.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:33, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks for your help with the rogue entries! Now I will ask you help with another matter: The latest issue (pub record #950024) does not appear listed along with the previous five. I refer to the page in the link that appears [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?67858 here]. Can you please help with this as well? I don't know what to change in the pub info to link it to the others. Thanks!<br />
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::: Update: I have just submitted a clone request for the first 5 issues, changing the format to ebook and adding the format (PDF) to the notes field. I will do the same to Issue 6 once we sort out the above point. Thanks and have a good day!<br />
:::--[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 13:07, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::All fixed just had to add the series name to the title record.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 18:23, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::Perfect! Thank you very much!! Now I just created the variants for the artworks in the latest issue, and once they are approved, I will clone it to the ebook format. Thank you for all your help!!<br />
:::::--[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 19:30, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Not a Variant ==<br />
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Hello Kraang, I recently submitted two title update requests because I noticed a typo in the title of a short sory and its accompaining interiorart.<br />
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Issue 1 of "Histórias Extraordinárias" magazine ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?913217 December 2020]) contains a short story called "Hypnos e Morfeu". However, when inserting the data months ago, I wrote "Morfeu'''s'''" (with an "s") instead of "Morfeu". The story also has an interiorart which received the same name (wrong, with the 's').<br />
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I noticed the error last week and submitted two requests:<br />
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1) Submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5661908 #5661908] to change the short story title (Title Record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3076119 #3076119])<br />
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2) Submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5661909 #5661909] to change the interiorart title (Title Record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3076118 #3076118])<br />
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The titles are shared by the bedsheet and ebook publications (ebook is a clone of the bedsheet).<br />
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However, while for the interiorart it seems all ok, the short story lists the correct name as a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3082550 variant of the old name], which it is not. The old title should be deleted and the corrected title should be kept. We should just correct the typo, not create a variant.<br />
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It currently appears as --> Variant Title of: Hypnos e Morfeus (by Marcus Garrett) [may list more publications, awards, reviews, votes and covers]<br />
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Can you please help with this?<br />
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I believe that deleting [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3082550 this record] would be enough to break this "variant link" but I am not sure, so I am asking for your help.<br />
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Thanks.<br />
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--[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 19:41, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I dropped the "s" on the parent title, but the variant is correct since the short story is written using an alternate name. A variant is created to the parent name "Marcus Garrett".[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:25, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::OK! I stand corrected. Thanks for fixing the issue of the extra "s". All seems to be OK now. Sorry about the inconvenience. Have a nice week! --[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 19:57, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Live Free or Die ==<br />
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Just a note that I fixed a capitalization issue ("or" was recorded as "Or") on your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?304688 verified]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:24, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Abhorsen ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Please keep an eye for the "Language mismatch" warnings when approving imports: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5246823 this] should not have been approved - instead a new cover should have been created for the Dutch books and then varianted. We match the art language to the book language even when the titles are the same. I had unmerged and I am working through a series of these you approved so just dropping you a note. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:54, 30 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zebrowski - Ashes and Stars ==<br />
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Hello, I'm letting you know I'm adding Reginald3 ID# to your PV'd {{P|186781|pub here}}. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 02:08, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Also to {{P|44249|The Monadic Universe}}. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:06, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:If just adding ID's or extra data to notes I'm fine with that , no need to notify me, but thanks anyways. :)[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 16:01, 3 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zebrowski - The Omega Point Trilogy ==<br />
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Hello, with regard to your {{P|93651|Canadian edition}}, I'm assuming that it's essentially the same as the {{P|277309|US edition}} which has pages as viii+295. Does yours have roman numeral numbered pages? If so, I suggest they should be recorded - even though there is/might be no content needing recording - per the pages help guide. What do you think? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:46, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The contents are the same just the cover is different, I'll update the page number. Thanks.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 16:03, 3 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cat People ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5675093; Some confusion here, in case you can clear it up. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:04, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:This was a stray pub, the database was full of them in the early days so I created a title record for it and moved on to the next one. The searching of databases & sellers is a lot easier now with all the links. All fixed now.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 19:41, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zelazny - The Chronicles of Amber: Volume I ==<br />
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Hello, way back when, you moderated the last two submissions for {{T|39628|this title}}. I can't find any justification or source for the date being 1979-01-01 instead of the Doubleday 1979-01-00. What do you think? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:20, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No idea, just slipped in, so I'll make it go back one day to 1979-01-00.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 22:02, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: :) thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:16, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jack Campbell: Invincible ==<br />
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I have a pending submission to remove the series name from your PVed record. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5712286 submission]. Any problem with me finishing the approval? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:15, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No problem change away.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 10:17, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Seedling Stars ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128431; A copy was uploaded to Archive.org last fall so I've added a link in a PENDING edit but neither Open Library or Amazon seem to have the cover so maybe you'd like to upload yours or an online cover that looks like yours. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:46, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Recent approvals. ==<br />
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Greetings Kraang, I've asked a new editor what makes a number of his new publication submissions eligible for inclusion. You may wish to comment [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Twisty#Speculative_Fiction.3F here] since you approved them. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:29, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Hi! It would also be appreciated if you could keep an eye on text lengths. For example, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?959237 this] - with 32 pages - can't be a novel as initially approved (I changed this one to CHAPBOOK). Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:45, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Magazines dating question ==<br />
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Hello Kraang, <br />
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Can you clarify the approved date [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5678636 here]? We date magazines based on their cover date and if another means is used, it needs to be in the notes. That applies to magazines where Amazon may have an exact date as well... I do not see a note explaining the dating. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:18, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Deal so little with magazines I forget about all the different rules, only approved the edit to get the stories. Please change the date to what it should be, I'll try to be more careful with magazine submissions in the future or I might just avoid magazine submissions altogether no matter how correct it looks. THanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 16:17, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: I will work with the editor - they seem to have changed the date similarly in more than one magazine. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:31, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Joe Haldeman / Camouflage - Cover Image ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?63142 Camouflage]. The Amazon image on this pub record is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?351561 Artwork A] whereas my copy has [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1866095 Artwork B]. Can you please check your copy. If you agree, I will scan my cover, upload it and also correct the coverart record. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:56, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Mine has the correct cover image ArtwokA.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:12, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Had a better look & it's similar to ArtworkA but a bit different, but not at all like ArtworkB, will have to upload mine or find new Amazon image. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:17, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Replace image from Amazon with correct cover, will do a scan of covers in the future & replace this and some others.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:22, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::The new Amazon image to which you have linked is the correct cover and it is Artwork B; it's just that the hb cover is much darker than the pb and ebook covers. The image is not ideal because it has the "Copyrighted Material" watermarks at top and bottom. Let me know whether you'd like me to upload and link a scan from my copy or whether you'd prefer to do it yourself. Also, the pub record needs to have the current Artwork A coverart record removed and the Artwork B coverart record imported. Again, please let me know whether you'd like me to submit edits for this or whether you'd prefer to do it yourself. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 11:18, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Please go ahead and upload your cover, plus all the necessary changes. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 12:21, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I have submitted the first 3 of 5 edits. I will submit the last 2 after the first 3 have been processed. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:48, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Gaiman/Pratchett - Ein gutes Omen ==<br />
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Hi,<br />
[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?961539 this submission] of mine was wrong. Don't know what happened there, may have mistakenly pressed enter or a browser hickup. Was intended for the 3rd printing of the Piper edition, which i've entered separately. As the faulty one was approved too, i have corrected it to an entry for the first printing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5722245]. Please take a look. [[User:Welo|Welo]] ([[User talk:Welo|talk]]) 02:57, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No problem approved. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 09:21, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Hounds of God ==<br />
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You recently moderated [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41701 this] publication but did not take account of the note I made in reference to the cover art credit which is still wrong - shows Kevin Eugene Johnson not Steve Crisp. I can't edit the credit to the correct one since it's linked to the 'other' cover (the one by Johnson) that is decidedly not the same as the Steven Crisp cover. Take note that Steven Crisp and Steve Crisp are one and the same person. If you could use your moderation wand to sort that out that'd be great. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 01:15, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:to fix this I'll unmerge the incorrect cover then change to Steven Crisp and last create variant to parent name Steve Crisp.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 10:27, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:There was an existing record for this cover[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1688421] under Steven Crisp name already variated to the parent name so I just merged the two records.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 10:34, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I was aware of the pb edition but, obviously, couldn't edit the incorrect data for the hardback edition. Thanks dfor waving your magic wand over that and sorting it out. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 15:17, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Impact-20 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17894; http://bookscans.com/Publishers/pblib/pblib01.htm; I'd like to replace Impact-20 Amazon cover with Bookscans cover, color is less faded, if that's OK. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:21, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Alpha Yes, Terra No! / The Ballad of Beta-2 ==<br />
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● Can you please check your copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?282001 Alpha Yes, Terra No! / The Ballad of Beta-2]? According to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?968140 Paperback Fantastic, Volume 1: Science Fiction] the cover of <i>The Ballad of Beta-2</i> is by Jack Gaughan, who is credited with <i> Alpha Yes, Terra No!</i> instead. Before permanent credit is assigned, I would like to know. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 23:59, 29 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The crediting is correctly stated but the cover credited to Ed Vligursky does not have the usual red color somewhere on the main character.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 00:22, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Well okay. I think I got that attribution straightened out. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 02:41, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== This World Is Taboo ==<br />
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Please see [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#This_World_Is_Taboo this conversation] which would impact your verified {{P|202037|Ace Books edition}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 06:45, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pillar of Fire ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5781830; Title is missing comma after the first "tomorrow". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:41, 3 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Death's Head ==<br />
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You are PV2 for this title: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?97321 I just submitted this edit: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?97321 Cheers. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 22:53, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== In the Ocean of Night ==<br />
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Hi. I'm adding the lccn # to <br />
[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18103 In the Ocean of Night] if that's OK with you. Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 23:21, 13 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:One of the books I sold that I missed moving to transient, it appears that the LCCN is invalid did you miss type it?[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 11:18, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Just rechecked, it definitely says 77-87161. I guess I'll change that to a note. Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 20:54, 16 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Approved the new update.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 22:35, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Conquest of the Amazon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791504; Should publisher be changed to either Orbit / Futura, Orbit / Futura Publications, or Orbit Book / Futura Publications, all of them publishers already on ISFDB, since Futura is also on the title page of this book? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:57, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Avon Lem ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?165731; While adding Archive.org link in a PENDING edit I noticed there was no price so I entered it, $1.25, from top right corner. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:28, 5 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:It appears Stonecreek revered my title change & deleted the price(without notifying me), the records don't go back far enough to see what it was(the price).I no long have this book, if I was notified in 2021 I could have checked before I sold it.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 22:29, 5 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Eça de Queiroz ==<br />
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There are differences, the translation reduces the 20 chapters to 17, I've read that it changes some things, but I would have to compare, Le caverne dei diamanti is described as a version of the story and not just a translation.<br />
[https://pt.wikisource.org/wiki/As_minas_do_rei_Salom%C3%A3o Eça de Queiroz's version on Wikisource].[[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 08:36, 19 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Please be careful when adding additional authors: a reducement of chapters points toward an abridgement (which is no new version). These do occur quite frequently within translations. <br />
: For "King Solomon's Mines" [https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/As_Minas_de_Salom%C3%A3o Portuguese Wikipedia] only writes of a translation, and notes no differences; as does the cover of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?979572 this publication]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:32, 19 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:: I found a [http://classicoslitinf-juvportuguesa.blogspot.com/2014/12/as-minas-de-salomao-eca-de-queirosking.html Portuguese blog] that says that Allan (called Alão Quartermar) in Eça's version, mentions knowing about Ophir, something that is not in the original text, I read and compared the two chapters on Wikisource:<br />
[https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/King_Solomon%27s_Mines/Chapter_II Haggard]: <br />
''"'Ay,' said Evans, 'but I will spin you a queerer yarn than that;' and he went on to tell me how he had found in the far interior a ruined city, which he believed to be the Ophir of the Bible, and, by the way, other more learned men have said the same long since poor Evans' time. I was, I remember, listening open-eared to all these wonders, for I was young at the time, and this story of an ancient civilisation and of the treasures which those old Jewish or Phœnician adventurers used to extract from a country long since lapsed into the darkest barbarism took a great hold upon my imagination, when suddenly he said to me, 'Lad, did you ever hear of the Suliman Mountains up to the north-west of the Mashukulumbwe country?' I told him I never had. 'Ah, well,' he said, 'that is where Solomon really had his mines, his diamond mines, I mean.' ''<br />
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[https://pt.wikisource.org/wiki/As_minas_do_rei_Salom%C3%A3o/II Queiroz]:<br />
''And he then told me that in the interior, very inland, he had discovered an ancient city, completely in ruins, which he was sure was Ophir, the famous Ophir of the Bible. I remember well the impression and amazement with which I heard the story of this Phoenician city lost in the African wilderness, with its remains of palaces, pools, temples, collapsed columns!... But then Evans remained silent, wondering. Suddenly he says:<br />
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— Have you ever heard of the Suliman mountains, some large mountains that lie beyond the territory of Machuculumbe, to the northwest?<br />
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— No, I never heard.<br />
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— Well, my boy, that's where Solomon truly had his mines, his diamond mines!ersion<br />
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— How do you know?<br />
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— How do you know!? It's funny! It is perfectly known. What is Suliman if not a corruption of Solomon? The name of the mountains, in fact, has always been Solomon's mountains. Furthermore, a witch from the district of Manica, an old woman over a hundred years old, told me everything... That is, she told me that beyond the mountains there live a people who are of the Zulu race, and speak a dialect Zulu; but as strength and corpulence, and courage, it is worth more than the Zulus. For among these people there are seers, great sorcerers, who from generation to generation have brought the secret of a prodigious mine, which belonged to a very ancient white king, and which is still full of white stones that shine... Luckily that there is no doubt.<br />
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For me there was all doubt. The ruins of Ophir interested me, as well as our belief and the Bible; but at the mines of shining white stones, known in secret by Zulu sorcerers, I would certainly have laughed had it not been for the respect due to such a worthy hunter as Evans. At dawn Evans left, ending up sadly on the butts of a buffalo. And I no longer thought about Solomon, nor about his diamond mines.'' ~<br />
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It is possible that there are other excerpts added by Queiroz.<br />
[[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 18:44, 19 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:I'm not sure what this is about and why it's on my page? Is this to do with a submission I approved?[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:30, 19 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::You approved, but I saw that it wasn't you who changed the status of the title, it was Stonecreek. [[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 05:30, 20 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Still, adding a bit of information (or bettering an original text) in a translation does not add up to a completely new version. Other translators would perhaps add something like that in a footnote. There are numerous examples of translators enhancing an original version but don't getting any credit (except in note). And that's the crucial point here: according to the help pages, the author's name ''should be entered exactly as it actually appeared in the publication'' (that is, the title page of a novel publication). In this case there is no hint that Queiroz is credited as author. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 02:23, 20 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Adding Cover Image ==<br />
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Hi<br />
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You kindly moderated a new book record I added, and I'm having trouble adding the cover image. I've uploaded the image but can't figure out how to attach it to the book record. The "how to" page makes my head spin!<br />
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Would you be kind enough to add the image to the record?<br />
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Book record: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?989057<br />
Image file: https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:DRKRSHDNWS2024.jpg<br />
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Many thanks in anticipation 😊<br />
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[[User:Nimravus|Nimravus]] ([[User talk:Nimravus|talk]]) 03:25, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Image added. After upload go to the above Image file and click on the image itself. It will take you to this wiki image page[https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/4/42/DRKRSHDNWS2024.jpg], use this page. Hope this helps.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 11:09, 22 January 2024 (EST)</div>
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== SF: The Year's Greatest Science-Fiction and Fantasy Second Annual Volume / Title change discussion ==<br />
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Please respond at [[User_talk:GlennMcG#SF:_The_Year.27s_Greatest_Science-Fiction_and_Fantasy_Second_Annual_Volume_.2F_Shared_title_change_discussion|GlennMcG talk]]. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 19:52, 1 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Reeve - Station Zero ==<br />
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Hi, first off, thanks for your moderating my submissions! Out of curiousity, what went wrong with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5533261 this submission] where you fixed the HTML? Was it two spaces instead of one between the text and the link? That's the only difference I can see. Thanks for fixing it anyway! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:00, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:There was an extra "< / ul >" that appeared to be the problem, since you use a similar template in notes I looked at a previous one & removed the extra. Happy to moderate submissions, took a couple of months of now I'm back.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:26, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Ah, found it, thanks, and welcome back! Incidentally, these two submissions [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5530361 5530361] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5530366 5530366] have been hanging around for a while. I wondered if they've dropped out of moderators sight...? Kev.--[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:55, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Wow! Thanks! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:04, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Daniel Boring ==<br />
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Hi, Kraang. I have a (slightly ridiculous) question about [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?103216| David Boring]. Back in 2009, you added the note about it being reviewed in an SF publication. Do you know which? It doesn't have any reviews listed right now. I know it's been years, but I'm curious. Thanks! —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 03:13, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:No idea now. I did a lot of cleanup of non-genre & graphic novels at the time. Possibly a link to the review has been deleted, being of a graphic novel. Now all that is left is the novel & my note. Hope this helps.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 12:11, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Aha! I found it: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1299001]. I'll change it back to a review. —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 12:16, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::: I would not change it to a review - the graphic novel is NOT eligible to be here... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:54, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== La canción de Bêlit ==<br />
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The novel was published in Brazil, but they divided it into four parts, only volume 1 came out, how do I register?[[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 14:16, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Add the publication in as a Chapbook and in the Regular Title section add (Part 1 of 4) or (Vol 1) after title, then make title type a serial. Are the other three parts going to be published? If not then a note would help explain it's intension to be a novel but has not been completed. Hope this helps, I'll lookout for your submission.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:33, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::the publisher's page says it would be published in two volumes, the cover artist's Facebook page says in four parts, however, only the first volume was published, nothing was said if there will be continuation. I think the illustrator is right, as the original book has 572 pages and this one has 176. In the original book, it seems to already be divided into 4 parts. [[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 12:21, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Looking at the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?932583 original (2017) Spanish text], I see the following note:<br />
:::* Robert E. Howard's [novelette] "La Reina de la Costa Negra", which is included in its entirety in this novel, was originally published in ''Weird Tales'' in May 1934 as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?68499 "The Queen of the Black Coast."] The Spanish translation is the work of Rodolfo Martínez [...]<br />
::: This explains why the title page and the cover credit both Howard and Martínez. I suggest that we add Howard's name to the Spanish title as well as to the proposed Portuguese title.<br />
::: I can also confirm that the Spanish original consists of 4 "cuarta"s ("quarters"), so it seems likely that a 176-page book would contain the first "quarter" as opposed to the first half of the original, which is 572 pages long. Furthermore, the Spanish original is 168K words long. The four "quarters" are novella length since they are under the 40K limit:<br />
:::* First "quarter" -- 19%<br />
:::* Second "quarter" -- 23%<br />
:::* Third "quarter" -- 23%<br />
:::* Fourth "quarter" -- 21%<br />
:::* Appendices, including Martínez's translation of Howard's fictionalized essay [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?121948 "The Hyborian Age"] -- 12%<br />
::: This means that Kraang's guess above is correct and they are, in ISFDB terms, SERIALs as opposed to "split novels". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:33, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::Yes, the subtitle in Portuguese is "A tigresa e o leão", which is the same as "la tigresa y el léon" described as "libro primero" (first book).[[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 19:45, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
Enter the first book with as much detail you can find & I'll fix it up as best I can. I'll deal with the other submission tomorrow night when I get home. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:24, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::A second book was published [https://aveceditora.com.br/produto/a-cancao-de-belit-2 A canção de Bêlit: a última jornada][[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 09:57, 1 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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I understand, in fact the novel is divided into four parts and each book publishes two parts. [[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 09:29, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pwendt for self-approver ==<br />
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Hi, Kraang. Happy New Year! I hope to be a self-approver imminently. I prefer to be nominated by another, but I plan to nominate myself ("Self-nomination for self-approver") sometime tomorrow if none of you, plural, is available ready and willing in the next 20 hours or so. I write to a couple others too. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:42, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Back form short holiday will support self-approver.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:34, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Theodora Goss / The Thorn and the Blossom - Deletion Problem ==<br />
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You have processed all my submissions for this title to date but I'm now stuck on a step. As you know, I'm converting this from a Chapbook with a Novella to a Collection with two Novelettes. I now want to delete the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1347059 Novella record] as it has no associated pubs but I can't. When I try to "Delete This Title", I get the message "Error: 1 awards still refer to this title". There is no option to remove the Award or the Reviews so how do I go about deleting the Novella? Incidentally, I have taken a note of the Award and 5 Reviews and will import them to the container title for the Collection once it has been created. Thanks in advance for your help. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 07:54, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Yes, but it seems it is the piece of shortfiction that got the award, and it should have been published somewhere (or was it handed to one of the two new titles?). Or it may be possible to link the award to the collection instead. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:02, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I'll have a look at this tonight. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 11:33, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Ok everything should be fixed, the award & reviews are there , except the award describes it as "Best Novelette". Maybe an explanation should be added to explain the difference.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 13:38, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::All looks good now, thanks. One last piece of tidying up: deletion of the old, incorrectly titled Interiorart record. I have submitted an edit to do this. I see where you're coming from regarding an explanation of the Locus award as "Best Novelette" but I have no idea why Locus considered it to be a Novelette. The approx word counts are: Brendan's Story - 10,500 and Evelyn's Story - 10,900. So even if you consider the whole work to be a single piece of fiction (which it isn't), the total word count is 21,400 hence Novella. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:46, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Link fix ==<br />
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Thanks for your time fixing that wrong image link :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:42, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Asimov - I, Robot - by Fawcett Crest ==<br />
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Hi, re your {{P|205693|PV here}}, this is just a heads-up to point to my discussion with Tom [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Taweiss#Asimov_-_I.2C_Robot Taweiss] regarding Fawcett covers and this {{P|205285|1970 printing}}. You might find something there for yours. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 00:53, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I'll have a look at my copy tonight and see if there is anything to add. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 12:32, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Self-Approver ==<br />
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Hello, as you're in the list of moderators handling my most recent submission, can you please comment on https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Self-Moderation_Request? --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 06:43, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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Thanks for the work you're doing and for fixing the asterisk - don't know how that got in there... Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:59, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Easy fix once I figured out what was wrong, was not obvious at first.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:14, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Signet -> Signet / New American Library ==<br />
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Any objection to changing this to Signet / New American Library<br><br />
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<li>https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?229073</li><br />
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:Please submit the change. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 11:23, 12 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Many thanks! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:56, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I'll have a go at the rest tomorrow if there still on the board. I see what you are doing but in a way that may take a bit of unmerging and re merging. I need to look at all the relevant edits before I proceed. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:06, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Please don't take any actions further to my outstanding edits (apart from approval or not), as I'm aware of everything that needs to be done going forward and I'm tracking it all - what needs to be done in which order. Thanks again, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:26, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK, I'll do them now. As an alternative method just unmerge the publications & rename if necessary, then remerged with the correct title record. Generally this will have less steps. Hope this helps. :)[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:43, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Yes, I tried considering the number of steps involved, trying to work out the most efficient (and I've unmerged/remerged in the past) but I opted for the simple one-step-at-a time approach as the whole thing is quite complex. But thanks for your considerate thought :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:47, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Getting back to my 'pending', I see you've cleared them all. What excellent communication! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:50, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
Happy to help. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:54, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Impressive! Thanks again :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:20, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Incorrect info added to database ==<br />
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Hello Kraang, I am one of the editors of the Brazilian magazine Histórias Extraordinárias. We have published six issues so far. The latest one was published in April 2023 and it has been added recently to the database (submission #5652271).<br />
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I noticed that two more records appeared, probably submitted by someone else but approved by you. They somehow duplicate the info (with much less detail), but incorrectly state that Histórias Extraordinárias is an ANTHOLOGY, which it is not. It is a magazine that publishes new material.<br />
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The incorrect publication records are: #950021 and #950023.<br />
We just launched all six issues in digital versions (PDF) so I believe that the submitter wants to include them. I agree that they should appear as different format, but we should at least just duplicate the existing information (which is "official" and more comprehensive) changing only the format. Can you please help us in this regard once we sort out these two "rogue" records? :)<br />
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The six magazine issues so far are the following:<br />
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{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ Histórias Extraordinárias Magazine<br />
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! Issue number !! detail !! Pub record !! Incorrect<br />
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| Issue 1|| December 2020|| #913217|| #950021<br />
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| Issue 2 || April 2021|| #914003|| #950023<br />
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| Issue 3 || August 2021|| #914004||<br />
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| Issue 4 || December 2021|| #914005||<br />
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| Issue 5 || August 2022|| #915288||<br />
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| Issue 6 || April 2023|| #950024||<br />
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As a side note, the latest issue is not appearing in the publication series #67858. I spotted a difference in how the title is formatted in the Title Record and submitted a change request in order to correct it (submission #5659612). I ask you to please review and apply the suitable correction. Thanks!<br />
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--[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 22:32, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Sorry about the mix-up, if I had realized it was a magazine I would have left it for some one else. I'll have a look at the submission and approve if it looks ok, if I'm uncertain I'll flag it for a mod who deals more with magazines. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:14, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I think the best thing to do is delete the rogue entries and the you can submit a clone of an existing pub with the necessary changes.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:22, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Rogue records have been deleted, just use the cloning option, this way no merging or changing title records is necessary, everything will be where it should be.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:33, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks for your help with the rogue entries! Now I will ask you help with another matter: The latest issue (pub record #950024) does not appear listed along with the previous five. I refer to the page in the link that appears [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?67858 here]. Can you please help with this as well? I don't know what to change in the pub info to link it to the others. Thanks!<br />
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::: Update: I have just submitted a clone request for the first 5 issues, changing the format to ebook and adding the format (PDF) to the notes field. I will do the same to Issue 6 once we sort out the above point. Thanks and have a good day!<br />
:::--[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 13:07, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::All fixed just had to add the series name to the title record.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 18:23, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::Perfect! Thank you very much!! Now I just created the variants for the artworks in the latest issue, and once they are approved, I will clone it to the ebook format. Thank you for all your help!!<br />
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== Not a Variant ==<br />
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Hello Kraang, I recently submitted two title update requests because I noticed a typo in the title of a short sory and its accompaining interiorart.<br />
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Issue 1 of "Histórias Extraordinárias" magazine ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?913217 December 2020]) contains a short story called "Hypnos e Morfeu". However, when inserting the data months ago, I wrote "Morfeu'''s'''" (with an "s") instead of "Morfeu". The story also has an interiorart which received the same name (wrong, with the 's').<br />
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I noticed the error last week and submitted two requests:<br />
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1) Submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5661908 #5661908] to change the short story title (Title Record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3076119 #3076119])<br />
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2) Submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5661909 #5661909] to change the interiorart title (Title Record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3076118 #3076118])<br />
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The titles are shared by the bedsheet and ebook publications (ebook is a clone of the bedsheet).<br />
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However, while for the interiorart it seems all ok, the short story lists the correct name as a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3082550 variant of the old name], which it is not. The old title should be deleted and the corrected title should be kept. We should just correct the typo, not create a variant.<br />
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It currently appears as --> Variant Title of: Hypnos e Morfeus (by Marcus Garrett) [may list more publications, awards, reviews, votes and covers]<br />
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Can you please help with this?<br />
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I believe that deleting [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3082550 this record] would be enough to break this "variant link" but I am not sure, so I am asking for your help.<br />
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Thanks.<br />
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--[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 19:41, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I dropped the "s" on the parent title, but the variant is correct since the short story is written using an alternate name. A variant is created to the parent name "Marcus Garrett".[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:25, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::OK! I stand corrected. Thanks for fixing the issue of the extra "s". All seems to be OK now. Sorry about the inconvenience. Have a nice week! --[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 19:57, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Live Free or Die ==<br />
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Just a note that I fixed a capitalization issue ("or" was recorded as "Or") on your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?304688 verified]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:24, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Abhorsen ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Please keep an eye for the "Language mismatch" warnings when approving imports: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5246823 this] should not have been approved - instead a new cover should have been created for the Dutch books and then varianted. We match the art language to the book language even when the titles are the same. I had unmerged and I am working through a series of these you approved so just dropping you a note. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:54, 30 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zebrowski - Ashes and Stars ==<br />
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Hello, I'm letting you know I'm adding Reginald3 ID# to your PV'd {{P|186781|pub here}}. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 02:08, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Also to {{P|44249|The Monadic Universe}}. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:06, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:If just adding ID's or extra data to notes I'm fine with that , no need to notify me, but thanks anyways. :)[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 16:01, 3 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zebrowski - The Omega Point Trilogy ==<br />
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Hello, with regard to your {{P|93651|Canadian edition}}, I'm assuming that it's essentially the same as the {{P|277309|US edition}} which has pages as viii+295. Does yours have roman numeral numbered pages? If so, I suggest they should be recorded - even though there is/might be no content needing recording - per the pages help guide. What do you think? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:46, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The contents are the same just the cover is different, I'll update the page number. Thanks.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 16:03, 3 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cat People ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5675093; Some confusion here, in case you can clear it up. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:04, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:This was a stray pub, the database was full of them in the early days so I created a title record for it and moved on to the next one. The searching of databases & sellers is a lot easier now with all the links. All fixed now.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 19:41, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zelazny - The Chronicles of Amber: Volume I ==<br />
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Hello, way back when, you moderated the last two submissions for {{T|39628|this title}}. I can't find any justification or source for the date being 1979-01-01 instead of the Doubleday 1979-01-00. What do you think? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:20, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No idea, just slipped in, so I'll make it go back one day to 1979-01-00.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 22:02, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: :) thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:16, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jack Campbell: Invincible ==<br />
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I have a pending submission to remove the series name from your PVed record. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5712286 submission]. Any problem with me finishing the approval? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:15, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No problem change away.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 10:17, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Seedling Stars ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128431; A copy was uploaded to Archive.org last fall so I've added a link in a PENDING edit but neither Open Library or Amazon seem to have the cover so maybe you'd like to upload yours or an online cover that looks like yours. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:46, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Recent approvals. ==<br />
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Greetings Kraang, I've asked a new editor what makes a number of his new publication submissions eligible for inclusion. You may wish to comment [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Twisty#Speculative_Fiction.3F here] since you approved them. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:29, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Hi! It would also be appreciated if you could keep an eye on text lengths. For example, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?959237 this] - with 32 pages - can't be a novel as initially approved (I changed this one to CHAPBOOK). Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:45, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Magazines dating question ==<br />
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Hello Kraang, <br />
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Can you clarify the approved date [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5678636 here]? We date magazines based on their cover date and if another means is used, it needs to be in the notes. That applies to magazines where Amazon may have an exact date as well... I do not see a note explaining the dating. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:18, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Deal so little with magazines I forget about all the different rules, only approved the edit to get the stories. Please change the date to what it should be, I'll try to be more careful with magazine submissions in the future or I might just avoid magazine submissions altogether no matter how correct it looks. THanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 16:17, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: I will work with the editor - they seem to have changed the date similarly in more than one magazine. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:31, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Joe Haldeman / Camouflage - Cover Image ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?63142 Camouflage]. The Amazon image on this pub record is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?351561 Artwork A] whereas my copy has [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1866095 Artwork B]. Can you please check your copy. If you agree, I will scan my cover, upload it and also correct the coverart record. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:56, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Mine has the correct cover image ArtwokA.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:12, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Had a better look & it's similar to ArtworkA but a bit different, but not at all like ArtworkB, will have to upload mine or find new Amazon image. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:17, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Replace image from Amazon with correct cover, will do a scan of covers in the future & replace this and some others.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:22, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::The new Amazon image to which you have linked is the correct cover and it is Artwork B; it's just that the hb cover is much darker than the pb and ebook covers. The image is not ideal because it has the "Copyrighted Material" watermarks at top and bottom. Let me know whether you'd like me to upload and link a scan from my copy or whether you'd prefer to do it yourself. Also, the pub record needs to have the current Artwork A coverart record removed and the Artwork B coverart record imported. Again, please let me know whether you'd like me to submit edits for this or whether you'd prefer to do it yourself. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 11:18, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Please go ahead and upload your cover, plus all the necessary changes. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 12:21, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I have submitted the first 3 of 5 edits. I will submit the last 2 after the first 3 have been processed. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:48, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Gaiman/Pratchett - Ein gutes Omen ==<br />
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Hi,<br />
[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?961539 this submission] of mine was wrong. Don't know what happened there, may have mistakenly pressed enter or a browser hickup. Was intended for the 3rd printing of the Piper edition, which i've entered separately. As the faulty one was approved too, i have corrected it to an entry for the first printing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5722245]. Please take a look. [[User:Welo|Welo]] ([[User talk:Welo|talk]]) 02:57, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No problem approved. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 09:21, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Hounds of God ==<br />
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You recently moderated [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41701 this] publication but did not take account of the note I made in reference to the cover art credit which is still wrong - shows Kevin Eugene Johnson not Steve Crisp. I can't edit the credit to the correct one since it's linked to the 'other' cover (the one by Johnson) that is decidedly not the same as the Steven Crisp cover. Take note that Steven Crisp and Steve Crisp are one and the same person. If you could use your moderation wand to sort that out that'd be great. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 01:15, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:to fix this I'll unmerge the incorrect cover then change to Steven Crisp and last create variant to parent name Steve Crisp.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 10:27, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:There was an existing record for this cover[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1688421] under Steven Crisp name already variated to the parent name so I just merged the two records.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 10:34, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I was aware of the pb edition but, obviously, couldn't edit the incorrect data for the hardback edition. Thanks dfor waving your magic wand over that and sorting it out. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 15:17, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Impact-20 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17894; http://bookscans.com/Publishers/pblib/pblib01.htm; I'd like to replace Impact-20 Amazon cover with Bookscans cover, color is less faded, if that's OK. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:21, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Alpha Yes, Terra No! / The Ballad of Beta-2 ==<br />
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● Can you please check your copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?282001 Alpha Yes, Terra No! / The Ballad of Beta-2]? According to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?968140 Paperback Fantastic, Volume 1: Science Fiction] the cover of <i>The Ballad of Beta-2</i> is by Jack Gaughan, who is credited with <i> Alpha Yes, Terra No!</i> instead. Before permanent credit is assigned, I would like to know. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 23:59, 29 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The crediting is correctly stated but the cover credited to Ed Vligursky does not have the usual red color somewhere on the main character.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 00:22, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Well okay. I think I got that attribution straightened out. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 02:41, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== This World Is Taboo ==<br />
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Please see [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#This_World_Is_Taboo this conversation] which would impact your verified {{P|202037|Ace Books edition}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 06:45, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pillar of Fire ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5781830; Title is missing comma after the first "tomorrow". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:41, 3 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Death's Head ==<br />
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You are PV2 for this title: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?97321 I just submitted this edit: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?97321 Cheers. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 22:53, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== In the Ocean of Night ==<br />
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Hi. I'm adding the lccn # to <br />
[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18103 In the Ocean of Night] if that's OK with you. Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 23:21, 13 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:One of the books I sold that I missed moving to transient, it appears that the LCCN is invalid did you miss type it?[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 11:18, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Just rechecked, it definitely says 77-87161. I guess I'll change that to a note. Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 20:54, 16 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Approved the new update.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 22:35, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Conquest of the Amazon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791504; Should publisher be changed to either Orbit / Futura, Orbit / Futura Publications, or Orbit Book / Futura Publications, all of them publishers already on ISFDB, since Futura is also on the title page of this book? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:57, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Avon Lem ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?165731; While adding Archive.org link in a PENDING edit I noticed there was no price so I entered it, $1.25, from top right corner. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:28, 5 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:It appears Stonecreek revered my title change & deleted the price(without notifying me), the records don't go back far enough to see what it was(the price).I no long have this book, if I was notified in 2021 I could have checked before I sold it.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 22:29, 5 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Eça de Queiroz ==<br />
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There are differences, the translation reduces the 20 chapters to 17, I've read that it changes some things, but I would have to compare, Le caverne dei diamanti is described as a version of the story and not just a translation.<br />
[https://pt.wikisource.org/wiki/As_minas_do_rei_Salom%C3%A3o Eça de Queiroz's version on Wikisource].[[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 08:36, 19 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Please be careful when adding additional authors: a reducement of chapters points toward an abridgement (which is no new version). These do occur quite frequently within translations. <br />
: For "King Solomon's Mines" [https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/As_Minas_de_Salom%C3%A3o Portuguese Wikipedia] only writes of a translation, and notes no differences; as does the cover of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?979572 this publication]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:32, 19 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:: I found a [http://classicoslitinf-juvportuguesa.blogspot.com/2014/12/as-minas-de-salomao-eca-de-queirosking.html Portuguese blog] that says that Allan (called Alão Quartermar) in Eça's version, mentions knowing about Ophir, something that is not in the original text, I read and compared the two chapters on Wikisource:<br />
[https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/King_Solomon%27s_Mines/Chapter_II Haggard]: <br />
''"'Ay,' said Evans, 'but I will spin you a queerer yarn than that;' and he went on to tell me how he had found in the far interior a ruined city, which he believed to be the Ophir of the Bible, and, by the way, other more learned men have said the same long since poor Evans' time. I was, I remember, listening open-eared to all these wonders, for I was young at the time, and this story of an ancient civilisation and of the treasures which those old Jewish or Phœnician adventurers used to extract from a country long since lapsed into the darkest barbarism took a great hold upon my imagination, when suddenly he said to me, 'Lad, did you ever hear of the Suliman Mountains up to the north-west of the Mashukulumbwe country?' I told him I never had. 'Ah, well,' he said, 'that is where Solomon really had his mines, his diamond mines, I mean.' ''<br />
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[https://pt.wikisource.org/wiki/As_minas_do_rei_Salom%C3%A3o/II Queiroz]:<br />
''And he then told me that in the interior, very inland, he had discovered an ancient city, completely in ruins, which he was sure was Ophir, the famous Ophir of the Bible. I remember well the impression and amazement with which I heard the story of this Phoenician city lost in the African wilderness, with its remains of palaces, pools, temples, collapsed columns!... But then Evans remained silent, wondering. Suddenly he says:<br />
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— Have you ever heard of the Suliman mountains, some large mountains that lie beyond the territory of Machuculumbe, to the northwest?<br />
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— No, I never heard.<br />
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— Well, my boy, that's where Solomon truly had his mines, his diamond mines!<br />
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— How do you know?<br />
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— How do you know!? It's funny! It is perfectly known. What is Suliman if not a corruption of Solomon? The name of the mountains, in fact, has always been Solomon's mountains. Furthermore, a witch from the district of Manica, an old woman over a hundred years old, told me everything... That is, she told me that beyond the mountains there live a people who are of the Zulu race, and speak a dialect Zulu; but as strength and corpulence, and courage, it is worth more than the Zulus. For among these people there are seers, great sorcerers, who from generation to generation have brought the secret of a prodigious mine, which belonged to a very ancient white king, and which is still full of white stones that shine... Luckily that there is no doubt.<br />
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For me there was all doubt. The ruins of Ophir interested me, as well as our belief and the Bible; but at the mines of shining white stones, known in secret by Zulu sorcerers, I would certainly have laughed had it not been for the respect due to such a worthy hunter as Evans. At dawn Evans left, ending up sadly on the butts of a buffalo. And I no longer thought about Solomon, nor about his diamond mines.'' ~<br />
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It is possible that there are other excerpts added by Queiroz.<br />
[[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 18:44, 19 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:I'm not sure what this is about and why it's on my page? Is this to do with a submission I approved?[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:30, 19 November 2023 (EST)</div>
Kraang
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:StevenGWithrow&diff=674457
User talk:StevenGWithrow
2023-11-19T04:36:28Z
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{{welcome}}[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:36, 18 November 2023 (EST)</div>
Kraang
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:StevenGWithrow&diff=674456
User talk:StevenGWithrow
2023-11-19T04:36:06Z
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Kraang
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:StevenGWithrow&diff=674455
User talk:StevenGWithrow
2023-11-19T04:34:12Z
<p>Kraang: Created page with "{[welcome}}~~~~"</p>
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<div>{[welcome}}[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:34, 18 November 2023 (EST)</div>
Kraang
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:MRidleyElmes&diff=674321
User talk:MRidleyElmes
2023-11-16T04:16:59Z
<p>Kraang: Created page with "{{welcome}}~~~~"</p>
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Kraang
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Pacrozier&diff=674320
User talk:Pacrozier
2023-11-16T04:11:40Z
<p>Kraang: Created page with "{{welcome}}~~~~"</p>
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Kraang
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Duke2502&diff=674293
User talk:Duke2502
2023-11-15T04:22:48Z
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Kraang
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Sheev2&diff=674088
User talk:Sheev2
2023-11-10T05:21:23Z
<p>Kraang: Created page with "{{welcome}}~~~~"</p>
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Kraang
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimboaustin69&diff=673840
User talk:Jimboaustin69
2023-11-06T04:48:43Z
<p>Kraang: Created page with "{{welcome}}~~~~"</p>
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<div>{{welcome}}[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:48, 5 November 2023 (EST)</div>
Kraang
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Kraang&diff=673839
User talk:Kraang
2023-11-06T03:30:18Z
<p>Kraang: /* Avon Lem */</p>
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== SF: The Year's Greatest Science-Fiction and Fantasy Second Annual Volume / Title change discussion ==<br />
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Please respond at [[User_talk:GlennMcG#SF:_The_Year.27s_Greatest_Science-Fiction_and_Fantasy_Second_Annual_Volume_.2F_Shared_title_change_discussion|GlennMcG talk]]. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 19:52, 1 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Reeve - Station Zero ==<br />
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Hi, first off, thanks for your moderating my submissions! Out of curiousity, what went wrong with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5533261 this submission] where you fixed the HTML? Was it two spaces instead of one between the text and the link? That's the only difference I can see. Thanks for fixing it anyway! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:00, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:There was an extra "< / ul >" that appeared to be the problem, since you use a similar template in notes I looked at a previous one & removed the extra. Happy to moderate submissions, took a couple of months of now I'm back.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:26, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Ah, found it, thanks, and welcome back! Incidentally, these two submissions [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5530361 5530361] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5530366 5530366] have been hanging around for a while. I wondered if they've dropped out of moderators sight...? Kev.--[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:55, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Wow! Thanks! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:04, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Daniel Boring ==<br />
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Hi, Kraang. I have a (slightly ridiculous) question about [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?103216| David Boring]. Back in 2009, you added the note about it being reviewed in an SF publication. Do you know which? It doesn't have any reviews listed right now. I know it's been years, but I'm curious. Thanks! —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 03:13, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:No idea now. I did a lot of cleanup of non-genre & graphic novels at the time. Possibly a link to the review has been deleted, being of a graphic novel. Now all that is left is the novel & my note. Hope this helps.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 12:11, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Aha! I found it: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1299001]. I'll change it back to a review. —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 12:16, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::: I would not change it to a review - the graphic novel is NOT eligible to be here... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:54, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== La canción de Bêlit ==<br />
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The novel was published in Brazil, but they divided it into four parts, only volume 1 came out, how do I register?[[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 14:16, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Add the publication in as a Chapbook and in the Regular Title section add (Part 1 of 4) or (Vol 1) after title, then make title type a serial. Are the other three parts going to be published? If not then a note would help explain it's intension to be a novel but has not been completed. Hope this helps, I'll lookout for your submission.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:33, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::the publisher's page says it would be published in two volumes, the cover artist's Facebook page says in four parts, however, only the first volume was published, nothing was said if there will be continuation. I think the illustrator is right, as the original book has 572 pages and this one has 176. In the original book, it seems to already be divided into 4 parts. [[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 12:21, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Looking at the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?932583 original (2017) Spanish text], I see the following note:<br />
:::* Robert E. Howard's [novelette] "La Reina de la Costa Negra", which is included in its entirety in this novel, was originally published in ''Weird Tales'' in May 1934 as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?68499 "The Queen of the Black Coast."] The Spanish translation is the work of Rodolfo Martínez [...]<br />
::: This explains why the title page and the cover credit both Howard and Martínez. I suggest that we add Howard's name to the Spanish title as well as to the proposed Portuguese title.<br />
::: I can also confirm that the Spanish original consists of 4 "cuarta"s ("quarters"), so it seems likely that a 176-page book would contain the first "quarter" as opposed to the first half of the original, which is 572 pages long. Furthermore, the Spanish original is 168K words long. The four "quarters" are novella length since they are under the 40K limit:<br />
:::* First "quarter" -- 19%<br />
:::* Second "quarter" -- 23%<br />
:::* Third "quarter" -- 23%<br />
:::* Fourth "quarter" -- 21%<br />
:::* Appendices, including Martínez's translation of Howard's fictionalized essay [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?121948 "The Hyborian Age"] -- 12%<br />
::: This means that Kraang's guess above is correct and they are, in ISFDB terms, SERIALs as opposed to "split novels". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:33, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::Yes, the subtitle in Portuguese is "A tigresa e o leão", which is the same as "la tigresa y el léon" described as "libro primero" (first book).[[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 19:45, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
Enter the first book with as much detail you can find & I'll fix it up as best I can. I'll deal with the other submission tomorrow night when I get home. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:24, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::A second book was published [https://aveceditora.com.br/produto/a-cancao-de-belit-2 A canção de Bêlit: a última jornada][[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 09:57, 1 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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I understand, in fact the novel is divided into four parts and each book publishes two parts. [[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 09:29, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pwendt for self-approver ==<br />
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Hi, Kraang. Happy New Year! I hope to be a self-approver imminently. I prefer to be nominated by another, but I plan to nominate myself ("Self-nomination for self-approver") sometime tomorrow if none of you, plural, is available ready and willing in the next 20 hours or so. I write to a couple others too. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:42, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Back form short holiday will support self-approver.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:34, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Theodora Goss / The Thorn and the Blossom - Deletion Problem ==<br />
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You have processed all my submissions for this title to date but I'm now stuck on a step. As you know, I'm converting this from a Chapbook with a Novella to a Collection with two Novelettes. I now want to delete the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1347059 Novella record] as it has no associated pubs but I can't. When I try to "Delete This Title", I get the message "Error: 1 awards still refer to this title". There is no option to remove the Award or the Reviews so how do I go about deleting the Novella? Incidentally, I have taken a note of the Award and 5 Reviews and will import them to the container title for the Collection once it has been created. Thanks in advance for your help. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 07:54, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Yes, but it seems it is the piece of shortfiction that got the award, and it should have been published somewhere (or was it handed to one of the two new titles?). Or it may be possible to link the award to the collection instead. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:02, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I'll have a look at this tonight. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 11:33, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Ok everything should be fixed, the award & reviews are there , except the award describes it as "Best Novelette". Maybe an explanation should be added to explain the difference.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 13:38, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::All looks good now, thanks. One last piece of tidying up: deletion of the old, incorrectly titled Interiorart record. I have submitted an edit to do this. I see where you're coming from regarding an explanation of the Locus award as "Best Novelette" but I have no idea why Locus considered it to be a Novelette. The approx word counts are: Brendan's Story - 10,500 and Evelyn's Story - 10,900. So even if you consider the whole work to be a single piece of fiction (which it isn't), the total word count is 21,400 hence Novella. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:46, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Link fix ==<br />
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Thanks for your time fixing that wrong image link :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:42, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Asimov - I, Robot - by Fawcett Crest ==<br />
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Hi, re your {{P|205693|PV here}}, this is just a heads-up to point to my discussion with Tom [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Taweiss#Asimov_-_I.2C_Robot Taweiss] regarding Fawcett covers and this {{P|205285|1970 printing}}. You might find something there for yours. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 00:53, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I'll have a look at my copy tonight and see if there is anything to add. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 12:32, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Self-Approver ==<br />
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Hello, as you're in the list of moderators handling my most recent submission, can you please comment on https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Self-Moderation_Request? --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 06:43, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== :) ==<br />
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Thanks for the work you're doing and for fixing the asterisk - don't know how that got in there... Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:59, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Easy fix once I figured out what was wrong, was not obvious at first.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:14, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Signet -> Signet / New American Library ==<br />
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Any objection to changing this to Signet / New American Library<br><br />
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<li>https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?229073</li><br />
</ul>--[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] ([[User talk:Spacecow|talk]]) 04:13, 12 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Please submit the change. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 11:23, 12 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Many thanks! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:56, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I'll have a go at the rest tomorrow if there still on the board. I see what you are doing but in a way that may take a bit of unmerging and re merging. I need to look at all the relevant edits before I proceed. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:06, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Please don't take any actions further to my outstanding edits (apart from approval or not), as I'm aware of everything that needs to be done going forward and I'm tracking it all - what needs to be done in which order. Thanks again, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:26, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK, I'll do them now. As an alternative method just unmerge the publications & rename if necessary, then remerged with the correct title record. Generally this will have less steps. Hope this helps. :)[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:43, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Yes, I tried considering the number of steps involved, trying to work out the most efficient (and I've unmerged/remerged in the past) but I opted for the simple one-step-at-a time approach as the whole thing is quite complex. But thanks for your considerate thought :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:47, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Getting back to my 'pending', I see you've cleared them all. What excellent communication! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:50, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
Happy to help. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:54, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Impressive! Thanks again :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:20, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Incorrect info added to database ==<br />
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Hello Kraang, I am one of the editors of the Brazilian magazine Histórias Extraordinárias. We have published six issues so far. The latest one was published in April 2023 and it has been added recently to the database (submission #5652271).<br />
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I noticed that two more records appeared, probably submitted by someone else but approved by you. They somehow duplicate the info (with much less detail), but incorrectly state that Histórias Extraordinárias is an ANTHOLOGY, which it is not. It is a magazine that publishes new material.<br />
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The incorrect publication records are: #950021 and #950023.<br />
We just launched all six issues in digital versions (PDF) so I believe that the submitter wants to include them. I agree that they should appear as different format, but we should at least just duplicate the existing information (which is "official" and more comprehensive) changing only the format. Can you please help us in this regard once we sort out these two "rogue" records? :)<br />
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The six magazine issues so far are the following:<br />
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{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ Histórias Extraordinárias Magazine<br />
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! Issue number !! detail !! Pub record !! Incorrect<br />
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| Issue 1|| December 2020|| #913217|| #950021<br />
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| Issue 2 || April 2021|| #914003|| #950023<br />
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| Issue 3 || August 2021|| #914004||<br />
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| Issue 4 || December 2021|| #914005||<br />
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| Issue 5 || August 2022|| #915288||<br />
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| Issue 6 || April 2023|| #950024||<br />
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As a side note, the latest issue is not appearing in the publication series #67858. I spotted a difference in how the title is formatted in the Title Record and submitted a change request in order to correct it (submission #5659612). I ask you to please review and apply the suitable correction. Thanks!<br />
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--[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 22:32, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Sorry about the mix-up, if I had realized it was a magazine I would have left it for some one else. I'll have a look at the submission and approve if it looks ok, if I'm uncertain I'll flag it for a mod who deals more with magazines. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:14, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I think the best thing to do is delete the rogue entries and the you can submit a clone of an existing pub with the necessary changes.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:22, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Rogue records have been deleted, just use the cloning option, this way no merging or changing title records is necessary, everything will be where it should be.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:33, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks for your help with the rogue entries! Now I will ask you help with another matter: The latest issue (pub record #950024) does not appear listed along with the previous five. I refer to the page in the link that appears [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?67858 here]. Can you please help with this as well? I don't know what to change in the pub info to link it to the others. Thanks!<br />
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::: Update: I have just submitted a clone request for the first 5 issues, changing the format to ebook and adding the format (PDF) to the notes field. I will do the same to Issue 6 once we sort out the above point. Thanks and have a good day!<br />
:::--[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 13:07, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::All fixed just had to add the series name to the title record.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 18:23, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::Perfect! Thank you very much!! Now I just created the variants for the artworks in the latest issue, and once they are approved, I will clone it to the ebook format. Thank you for all your help!!<br />
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== Not a Variant ==<br />
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Hello Kraang, I recently submitted two title update requests because I noticed a typo in the title of a short sory and its accompaining interiorart.<br />
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Issue 1 of "Histórias Extraordinárias" magazine ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?913217 December 2020]) contains a short story called "Hypnos e Morfeu". However, when inserting the data months ago, I wrote "Morfeu'''s'''" (with an "s") instead of "Morfeu". The story also has an interiorart which received the same name (wrong, with the 's').<br />
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I noticed the error last week and submitted two requests:<br />
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1) Submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5661908 #5661908] to change the short story title (Title Record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3076119 #3076119])<br />
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2) Submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5661909 #5661909] to change the interiorart title (Title Record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3076118 #3076118])<br />
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The titles are shared by the bedsheet and ebook publications (ebook is a clone of the bedsheet).<br />
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However, while for the interiorart it seems all ok, the short story lists the correct name as a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3082550 variant of the old name], which it is not. The old title should be deleted and the corrected title should be kept. We should just correct the typo, not create a variant.<br />
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It currently appears as --> Variant Title of: Hypnos e Morfeus (by Marcus Garrett) [may list more publications, awards, reviews, votes and covers]<br />
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Can you please help with this?<br />
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I believe that deleting [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3082550 this record] would be enough to break this "variant link" but I am not sure, so I am asking for your help.<br />
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Thanks.<br />
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--[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 19:41, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I dropped the "s" on the parent title, but the variant is correct since the short story is written using an alternate name. A variant is created to the parent name "Marcus Garrett".[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:25, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::OK! I stand corrected. Thanks for fixing the issue of the extra "s". All seems to be OK now. Sorry about the inconvenience. Have a nice week! --[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 19:57, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Live Free or Die ==<br />
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Just a note that I fixed a capitalization issue ("or" was recorded as "Or") on your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?304688 verified]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:24, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Abhorsen ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Please keep an eye for the "Language mismatch" warnings when approving imports: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5246823 this] should not have been approved - instead a new cover should have been created for the Dutch books and then varianted. We match the art language to the book language even when the titles are the same. I had unmerged and I am working through a series of these you approved so just dropping you a note. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:54, 30 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zebrowski - Ashes and Stars ==<br />
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Hello, I'm letting you know I'm adding Reginald3 ID# to your PV'd {{P|186781|pub here}}. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 02:08, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Also to {{P|44249|The Monadic Universe}}. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:06, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:If just adding ID's or extra data to notes I'm fine with that , no need to notify me, but thanks anyways. :)[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 16:01, 3 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zebrowski - The Omega Point Trilogy ==<br />
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Hello, with regard to your {{P|93651|Canadian edition}}, I'm assuming that it's essentially the same as the {{P|277309|US edition}} which has pages as viii+295. Does yours have roman numeral numbered pages? If so, I suggest they should be recorded - even though there is/might be no content needing recording - per the pages help guide. What do you think? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:46, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The contents are the same just the cover is different, I'll update the page number. Thanks.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 16:03, 3 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cat People ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5675093; Some confusion here, in case you can clear it up. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:04, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:This was a stray pub, the database was full of them in the early days so I created a title record for it and moved on to the next one. The searching of databases & sellers is a lot easier now with all the links. All fixed now.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 19:41, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zelazny - The Chronicles of Amber: Volume I ==<br />
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Hello, way back when, you moderated the last two submissions for {{T|39628|this title}}. I can't find any justification or source for the date being 1979-01-01 instead of the Doubleday 1979-01-00. What do you think? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:20, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No idea, just slipped in, so I'll make it go back one day to 1979-01-00.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 22:02, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: :) thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:16, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jack Campbell: Invincible ==<br />
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I have a pending submission to remove the series name from your PVed record. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5712286 submission]. Any problem with me finishing the approval? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:15, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No problem change away.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 10:17, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Seedling Stars ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128431; A copy was uploaded to Archive.org last fall so I've added a link in a PENDING edit but neither Open Library or Amazon seem to have the cover so maybe you'd like to upload yours or an online cover that looks like yours. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:46, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Recent approvals. ==<br />
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Greetings Kraang, I've asked a new editor what makes a number of his new publication submissions eligible for inclusion. You may wish to comment [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Twisty#Speculative_Fiction.3F here] since you approved them. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:29, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Hi! It would also be appreciated if you could keep an eye on text lengths. For example, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?959237 this] - with 32 pages - can't be a novel as initially approved (I changed this one to CHAPBOOK). Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:45, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Magazines dating question ==<br />
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Can you clarify the approved date [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5678636 here]? We date magazines based on their cover date and if another means is used, it needs to be in the notes. That applies to magazines where Amazon may have an exact date as well... I do not see a note explaining the dating. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:18, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Deal so little with magazines I forget about all the different rules, only approved the edit to get the stories. Please change the date to what it should be, I'll try to be more careful with magazine submissions in the future or I might just avoid magazine submissions altogether no matter how correct it looks. THanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 16:17, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: I will work with the editor - they seem to have changed the date similarly in more than one magazine. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:31, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Joe Haldeman / Camouflage - Cover Image ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?63142 Camouflage]. The Amazon image on this pub record is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?351561 Artwork A] whereas my copy has [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1866095 Artwork B]. Can you please check your copy. If you agree, I will scan my cover, upload it and also correct the coverart record. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:56, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Mine has the correct cover image ArtwokA.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:12, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Had a better look & it's similar to ArtworkA but a bit different, but not at all like ArtworkB, will have to upload mine or find new Amazon image. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:17, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Replace image from Amazon with correct cover, will do a scan of covers in the future & replace this and some others.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:22, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::The new Amazon image to which you have linked is the correct cover and it is Artwork B; it's just that the hb cover is much darker than the pb and ebook covers. The image is not ideal because it has the "Copyrighted Material" watermarks at top and bottom. Let me know whether you'd like me to upload and link a scan from my copy or whether you'd prefer to do it yourself. Also, the pub record needs to have the current Artwork A coverart record removed and the Artwork B coverart record imported. Again, please let me know whether you'd like me to submit edits for this or whether you'd prefer to do it yourself. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 11:18, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Please go ahead and upload your cover, plus all the necessary changes. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 12:21, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I have submitted the first 3 of 5 edits. I will submit the last 2 after the first 3 have been processed. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:48, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Gaiman/Pratchett - Ein gutes Omen ==<br />
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Hi,<br />
[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?961539 this submission] of mine was wrong. Don't know what happened there, may have mistakenly pressed enter or a browser hickup. Was intended for the 3rd printing of the Piper edition, which i've entered separately. As the faulty one was approved too, i have corrected it to an entry for the first printing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5722245]. Please take a look. [[User:Welo|Welo]] ([[User talk:Welo|talk]]) 02:57, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No problem approved. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 09:21, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Hounds of God ==<br />
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You recently moderated [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41701 this] publication but did not take account of the note I made in reference to the cover art credit which is still wrong - shows Kevin Eugene Johnson not Steve Crisp. I can't edit the credit to the correct one since it's linked to the 'other' cover (the one by Johnson) that is decidedly not the same as the Steven Crisp cover. Take note that Steven Crisp and Steve Crisp are one and the same person. If you could use your moderation wand to sort that out that'd be great. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 01:15, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:to fix this I'll unmerge the incorrect cover then change to Steven Crisp and last create variant to parent name Steve Crisp.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 10:27, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:There was an existing record for this cover[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1688421] under Steven Crisp name already variated to the parent name so I just merged the two records.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 10:34, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I was aware of the pb edition but, obviously, couldn't edit the incorrect data for the hardback edition. Thanks dfor waving your magic wand over that and sorting it out. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 15:17, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Impact-20 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17894; http://bookscans.com/Publishers/pblib/pblib01.htm; I'd like to replace Impact-20 Amazon cover with Bookscans cover, color is less faded, if that's OK. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:21, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Alpha Yes, Terra No! / The Ballad of Beta-2 ==<br />
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● Can you please check your copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?282001 Alpha Yes, Terra No! / The Ballad of Beta-2]? According to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?968140 Paperback Fantastic, Volume 1: Science Fiction] the cover of <i>The Ballad of Beta-2</i> is by Jack Gaughan, who is credited with <i> Alpha Yes, Terra No!</i> instead. Before permanent credit is assigned, I would like to know. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 23:59, 29 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The crediting is correctly stated but the cover credited to Ed Vligursky does not have the usual red color somewhere on the main character.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 00:22, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Well okay. I think I got that attribution straightened out. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 02:41, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== This World Is Taboo ==<br />
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Please see [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#This_World_Is_Taboo this conversation] which would impact your verified {{P|202037|Ace Books edition}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 06:45, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pillar of Fire ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5781830; Title is missing comma after the first "tomorrow". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:41, 3 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Death's Head ==<br />
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You are PV2 for this title: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?97321 I just submitted this edit: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?97321 Cheers. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 22:53, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== In the Ocean of Night ==<br />
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Hi. I'm adding the lccn # to <br />
[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18103 In the Ocean of Night] if that's OK with you. Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 23:21, 13 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:One of the books I sold that I missed moving to transient, it appears that the LCCN is invalid did you miss type it?[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 11:18, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Just rechecked, it definitely says 77-87161. I guess I'll change that to a note. Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 20:54, 16 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Approved the new update.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 22:35, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Conquest of the Amazon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791504; Should publisher be changed to either Orbit / Futura, Orbit / Futura Publications, or Orbit Book / Futura Publications, all of them publishers already on ISFDB, since Futura is also on the title page of this book? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:57, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Avon Lem ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?165731; While adding Archive.org link in a PENDING edit I noticed there was no price so I entered it, $1.25, from top right corner. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:28, 5 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:It appears Stonecreek revered my title change & deleted the price(without notifying me), the records don't go back far enough to see what it was(the price).I no long have this book, if I was notified in 2021 I could have checked before I sold it.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 22:29, 5 November 2023 (EST)</div>
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== SF: The Year's Greatest Science-Fiction and Fantasy Second Annual Volume / Title change discussion ==<br />
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Please respond at [[User_talk:GlennMcG#SF:_The_Year.27s_Greatest_Science-Fiction_and_Fantasy_Second_Annual_Volume_.2F_Shared_title_change_discussion|GlennMcG talk]]. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 19:52, 1 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Reeve - Station Zero ==<br />
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Hi, first off, thanks for your moderating my submissions! Out of curiousity, what went wrong with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5533261 this submission] where you fixed the HTML? Was it two spaces instead of one between the text and the link? That's the only difference I can see. Thanks for fixing it anyway! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:00, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:There was an extra "< / ul >" that appeared to be the problem, since you use a similar template in notes I looked at a previous one & removed the extra. Happy to moderate submissions, took a couple of months of now I'm back.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:26, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Ah, found it, thanks, and welcome back! Incidentally, these two submissions [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5530361 5530361] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5530366 5530366] have been hanging around for a while. I wondered if they've dropped out of moderators sight...? Kev.--[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:55, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Wow! Thanks! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:04, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Daniel Boring ==<br />
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Hi, Kraang. I have a (slightly ridiculous) question about [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?103216| David Boring]. Back in 2009, you added the note about it being reviewed in an SF publication. Do you know which? It doesn't have any reviews listed right now. I know it's been years, but I'm curious. Thanks! —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 03:13, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:No idea now. I did a lot of cleanup of non-genre & graphic novels at the time. Possibly a link to the review has been deleted, being of a graphic novel. Now all that is left is the novel & my note. Hope this helps.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 12:11, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Aha! I found it: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1299001]. I'll change it back to a review. —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 12:16, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::: I would not change it to a review - the graphic novel is NOT eligible to be here... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:54, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== La canción de Bêlit ==<br />
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The novel was published in Brazil, but they divided it into four parts, only volume 1 came out, how do I register?[[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 14:16, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Add the publication in as a Chapbook and in the Regular Title section add (Part 1 of 4) or (Vol 1) after title, then make title type a serial. Are the other three parts going to be published? If not then a note would help explain it's intension to be a novel but has not been completed. Hope this helps, I'll lookout for your submission.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:33, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::the publisher's page says it would be published in two volumes, the cover artist's Facebook page says in four parts, however, only the first volume was published, nothing was said if there will be continuation. I think the illustrator is right, as the original book has 572 pages and this one has 176. In the original book, it seems to already be divided into 4 parts. [[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 12:21, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Looking at the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?932583 original (2017) Spanish text], I see the following note:<br />
:::* Robert E. Howard's [novelette] "La Reina de la Costa Negra", which is included in its entirety in this novel, was originally published in ''Weird Tales'' in May 1934 as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?68499 "The Queen of the Black Coast."] The Spanish translation is the work of Rodolfo Martínez [...]<br />
::: This explains why the title page and the cover credit both Howard and Martínez. I suggest that we add Howard's name to the Spanish title as well as to the proposed Portuguese title.<br />
::: I can also confirm that the Spanish original consists of 4 "cuarta"s ("quarters"), so it seems likely that a 176-page book would contain the first "quarter" as opposed to the first half of the original, which is 572 pages long. Furthermore, the Spanish original is 168K words long. The four "quarters" are novella length since they are under the 40K limit:<br />
:::* First "quarter" -- 19%<br />
:::* Second "quarter" -- 23%<br />
:::* Third "quarter" -- 23%<br />
:::* Fourth "quarter" -- 21%<br />
:::* Appendices, including Martínez's translation of Howard's fictionalized essay [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?121948 "The Hyborian Age"] -- 12%<br />
::: This means that Kraang's guess above is correct and they are, in ISFDB terms, SERIALs as opposed to "split novels". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:33, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::Yes, the subtitle in Portuguese is "A tigresa e o leão", which is the same as "la tigresa y el léon" described as "libro primero" (first book).[[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 19:45, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
Enter the first book with as much detail you can find & I'll fix it up as best I can. I'll deal with the other submission tomorrow night when I get home. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:24, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::A second book was published [https://aveceditora.com.br/produto/a-cancao-de-belit-2 A canção de Bêlit: a última jornada][[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 09:57, 1 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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I understand, in fact the novel is divided into four parts and each book publishes two parts. [[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 09:29, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pwendt for self-approver ==<br />
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Hi, Kraang. Happy New Year! I hope to be a self-approver imminently. I prefer to be nominated by another, but I plan to nominate myself ("Self-nomination for self-approver") sometime tomorrow if none of you, plural, is available ready and willing in the next 20 hours or so. I write to a couple others too. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:42, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Back form short holiday will support self-approver.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:34, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Theodora Goss / The Thorn and the Blossom - Deletion Problem ==<br />
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You have processed all my submissions for this title to date but I'm now stuck on a step. As you know, I'm converting this from a Chapbook with a Novella to a Collection with two Novelettes. I now want to delete the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1347059 Novella record] as it has no associated pubs but I can't. When I try to "Delete This Title", I get the message "Error: 1 awards still refer to this title". There is no option to remove the Award or the Reviews so how do I go about deleting the Novella? Incidentally, I have taken a note of the Award and 5 Reviews and will import them to the container title for the Collection once it has been created. Thanks in advance for your help. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 07:54, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Yes, but it seems it is the piece of shortfiction that got the award, and it should have been published somewhere (or was it handed to one of the two new titles?). Or it may be possible to link the award to the collection instead. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:02, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I'll have a look at this tonight. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 11:33, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Ok everything should be fixed, the award & reviews are there , except the award describes it as "Best Novelette". Maybe an explanation should be added to explain the difference.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 13:38, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::All looks good now, thanks. One last piece of tidying up: deletion of the old, incorrectly titled Interiorart record. I have submitted an edit to do this. I see where you're coming from regarding an explanation of the Locus award as "Best Novelette" but I have no idea why Locus considered it to be a Novelette. The approx word counts are: Brendan's Story - 10,500 and Evelyn's Story - 10,900. So even if you consider the whole work to be a single piece of fiction (which it isn't), the total word count is 21,400 hence Novella. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:46, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Link fix ==<br />
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Thanks for your time fixing that wrong image link :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:42, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Asimov - I, Robot - by Fawcett Crest ==<br />
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Hi, re your {{P|205693|PV here}}, this is just a heads-up to point to my discussion with Tom [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Taweiss#Asimov_-_I.2C_Robot Taweiss] regarding Fawcett covers and this {{P|205285|1970 printing}}. You might find something there for yours. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 00:53, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I'll have a look at my copy tonight and see if there is anything to add. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 12:32, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Self-Approver ==<br />
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Hello, as you're in the list of moderators handling my most recent submission, can you please comment on https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Self-Moderation_Request? --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 06:43, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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Thanks for the work you're doing and for fixing the asterisk - don't know how that got in there... Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:59, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Easy fix once I figured out what was wrong, was not obvious at first.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:14, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Signet -> Signet / New American Library ==<br />
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Any objection to changing this to Signet / New American Library<br><br />
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:Please submit the change. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 11:23, 12 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Many thanks! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:56, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I'll have a go at the rest tomorrow if there still on the board. I see what you are doing but in a way that may take a bit of unmerging and re merging. I need to look at all the relevant edits before I proceed. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:06, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Please don't take any actions further to my outstanding edits (apart from approval or not), as I'm aware of everything that needs to be done going forward and I'm tracking it all - what needs to be done in which order. Thanks again, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:26, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK, I'll do them now. As an alternative method just unmerge the publications & rename if necessary, then remerged with the correct title record. Generally this will have less steps. Hope this helps. :)[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:43, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Yes, I tried considering the number of steps involved, trying to work out the most efficient (and I've unmerged/remerged in the past) but I opted for the simple one-step-at-a time approach as the whole thing is quite complex. But thanks for your considerate thought :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:47, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Getting back to my 'pending', I see you've cleared them all. What excellent communication! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:50, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
Happy to help. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:54, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Impressive! Thanks again :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:20, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Incorrect info added to database ==<br />
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Hello Kraang, I am one of the editors of the Brazilian magazine Histórias Extraordinárias. We have published six issues so far. The latest one was published in April 2023 and it has been added recently to the database (submission #5652271).<br />
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I noticed that two more records appeared, probably submitted by someone else but approved by you. They somehow duplicate the info (with much less detail), but incorrectly state that Histórias Extraordinárias is an ANTHOLOGY, which it is not. It is a magazine that publishes new material.<br />
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The incorrect publication records are: #950021 and #950023.<br />
We just launched all six issues in digital versions (PDF) so I believe that the submitter wants to include them. I agree that they should appear as different format, but we should at least just duplicate the existing information (which is "official" and more comprehensive) changing only the format. Can you please help us in this regard once we sort out these two "rogue" records? :)<br />
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The six magazine issues so far are the following:<br />
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{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ Histórias Extraordinárias Magazine<br />
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! Issue number !! detail !! Pub record !! Incorrect<br />
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| Issue 1|| December 2020|| #913217|| #950021<br />
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| Issue 2 || April 2021|| #914003|| #950023<br />
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| Issue 3 || August 2021|| #914004||<br />
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| Issue 4 || December 2021|| #914005||<br />
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| Issue 5 || August 2022|| #915288||<br />
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| Issue 6 || April 2023|| #950024||<br />
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|}<br />
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As a side note, the latest issue is not appearing in the publication series #67858. I spotted a difference in how the title is formatted in the Title Record and submitted a change request in order to correct it (submission #5659612). I ask you to please review and apply the suitable correction. Thanks!<br />
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--[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 22:32, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Sorry about the mix-up, if I had realized it was a magazine I would have left it for some one else. I'll have a look at the submission and approve if it looks ok, if I'm uncertain I'll flag it for a mod who deals more with magazines. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:14, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I think the best thing to do is delete the rogue entries and the you can submit a clone of an existing pub with the necessary changes.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:22, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Rogue records have been deleted, just use the cloning option, this way no merging or changing title records is necessary, everything will be where it should be.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:33, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks for your help with the rogue entries! Now I will ask you help with another matter: The latest issue (pub record #950024) does not appear listed along with the previous five. I refer to the page in the link that appears [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?67858 here]. Can you please help with this as well? I don't know what to change in the pub info to link it to the others. Thanks!<br />
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::: Update: I have just submitted a clone request for the first 5 issues, changing the format to ebook and adding the format (PDF) to the notes field. I will do the same to Issue 6 once we sort out the above point. Thanks and have a good day!<br />
:::--[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 13:07, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::All fixed just had to add the series name to the title record.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 18:23, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::Perfect! Thank you very much!! Now I just created the variants for the artworks in the latest issue, and once they are approved, I will clone it to the ebook format. Thank you for all your help!!<br />
:::::--[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 19:30, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Not a Variant ==<br />
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Hello Kraang, I recently submitted two title update requests because I noticed a typo in the title of a short sory and its accompaining interiorart.<br />
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Issue 1 of "Histórias Extraordinárias" magazine ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?913217 December 2020]) contains a short story called "Hypnos e Morfeu". However, when inserting the data months ago, I wrote "Morfeu'''s'''" (with an "s") instead of "Morfeu". The story also has an interiorart which received the same name (wrong, with the 's').<br />
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I noticed the error last week and submitted two requests:<br />
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1) Submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5661908 #5661908] to change the short story title (Title Record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3076119 #3076119])<br />
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2) Submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5661909 #5661909] to change the interiorart title (Title Record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3076118 #3076118])<br />
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The titles are shared by the bedsheet and ebook publications (ebook is a clone of the bedsheet).<br />
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However, while for the interiorart it seems all ok, the short story lists the correct name as a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3082550 variant of the old name], which it is not. The old title should be deleted and the corrected title should be kept. We should just correct the typo, not create a variant.<br />
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It currently appears as --> Variant Title of: Hypnos e Morfeus (by Marcus Garrett) [may list more publications, awards, reviews, votes and covers]<br />
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Can you please help with this?<br />
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I believe that deleting [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3082550 this record] would be enough to break this "variant link" but I am not sure, so I am asking for your help.<br />
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Thanks.<br />
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--[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 19:41, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I dropped the "s" on the parent title, but the variant is correct since the short story is written using an alternate name. A variant is created to the parent name "Marcus Garrett".[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:25, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::OK! I stand corrected. Thanks for fixing the issue of the extra "s". All seems to be OK now. Sorry about the inconvenience. Have a nice week! --[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 19:57, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Live Free or Die ==<br />
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Just a note that I fixed a capitalization issue ("or" was recorded as "Or") on your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?304688 verified]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:24, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Abhorsen ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Please keep an eye for the "Language mismatch" warnings when approving imports: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5246823 this] should not have been approved - instead a new cover should have been created for the Dutch books and then varianted. We match the art language to the book language even when the titles are the same. I had unmerged and I am working through a series of these you approved so just dropping you a note. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:54, 30 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zebrowski - Ashes and Stars ==<br />
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Hello, I'm letting you know I'm adding Reginald3 ID# to your PV'd {{P|186781|pub here}}. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 02:08, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Also to {{P|44249|The Monadic Universe}}. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:06, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:If just adding ID's or extra data to notes I'm fine with that , no need to notify me, but thanks anyways. :)[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 16:01, 3 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zebrowski - The Omega Point Trilogy ==<br />
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Hello, with regard to your {{P|93651|Canadian edition}}, I'm assuming that it's essentially the same as the {{P|277309|US edition}} which has pages as viii+295. Does yours have roman numeral numbered pages? If so, I suggest they should be recorded - even though there is/might be no content needing recording - per the pages help guide. What do you think? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:46, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The contents are the same just the cover is different, I'll update the page number. Thanks.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 16:03, 3 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cat People ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5675093; Some confusion here, in case you can clear it up. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:04, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:This was a stray pub, the database was full of them in the early days so I created a title record for it and moved on to the next one. The searching of databases & sellers is a lot easier now with all the links. All fixed now.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 19:41, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zelazny - The Chronicles of Amber: Volume I ==<br />
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Hello, way back when, you moderated the last two submissions for {{T|39628|this title}}. I can't find any justification or source for the date being 1979-01-01 instead of the Doubleday 1979-01-00. What do you think? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:20, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No idea, just slipped in, so I'll make it go back one day to 1979-01-00.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 22:02, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: :) thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:16, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jack Campbell: Invincible ==<br />
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I have a pending submission to remove the series name from your PVed record. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5712286 submission]. Any problem with me finishing the approval? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:15, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No problem change away.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 10:17, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Seedling Stars ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128431; A copy was uploaded to Archive.org last fall so I've added a link in a PENDING edit but neither Open Library or Amazon seem to have the cover so maybe you'd like to upload yours or an online cover that looks like yours. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:46, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Recent approvals. ==<br />
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Greetings Kraang, I've asked a new editor what makes a number of his new publication submissions eligible for inclusion. You may wish to comment [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Twisty#Speculative_Fiction.3F here] since you approved them. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:29, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Hi! It would also be appreciated if you could keep an eye on text lengths. For example, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?959237 this] - with 32 pages - can't be a novel as initially approved (I changed this one to CHAPBOOK). Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:45, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Magazines dating question ==<br />
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Hello Kraang, <br />
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Can you clarify the approved date [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5678636 here]? We date magazines based on their cover date and if another means is used, it needs to be in the notes. That applies to magazines where Amazon may have an exact date as well... I do not see a note explaining the dating. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:18, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Deal so little with magazines I forget about all the different rules, only approved the edit to get the stories. Please change the date to what it should be, I'll try to be more careful with magazine submissions in the future or I might just avoid magazine submissions altogether no matter how correct it looks. THanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 16:17, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: I will work with the editor - they seem to have changed the date similarly in more than one magazine. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:31, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Joe Haldeman / Camouflage - Cover Image ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?63142 Camouflage]. The Amazon image on this pub record is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?351561 Artwork A] whereas my copy has [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1866095 Artwork B]. Can you please check your copy. If you agree, I will scan my cover, upload it and also correct the coverart record. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:56, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Mine has the correct cover image ArtwokA.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:12, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Had a better look & it's similar to ArtworkA but a bit different, but not at all like ArtworkB, will have to upload mine or find new Amazon image. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:17, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Replace image from Amazon with correct cover, will do a scan of covers in the future & replace this and some others.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:22, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::The new Amazon image to which you have linked is the correct cover and it is Artwork B; it's just that the hb cover is much darker than the pb and ebook covers. The image is not ideal because it has the "Copyrighted Material" watermarks at top and bottom. Let me know whether you'd like me to upload and link a scan from my copy or whether you'd prefer to do it yourself. Also, the pub record needs to have the current Artwork A coverart record removed and the Artwork B coverart record imported. Again, please let me know whether you'd like me to submit edits for this or whether you'd prefer to do it yourself. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 11:18, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Please go ahead and upload your cover, plus all the necessary changes. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 12:21, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I have submitted the first 3 of 5 edits. I will submit the last 2 after the first 3 have been processed. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:48, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Gaiman/Pratchett - Ein gutes Omen ==<br />
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Hi,<br />
[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?961539 this submission] of mine was wrong. Don't know what happened there, may have mistakenly pressed enter or a browser hickup. Was intended for the 3rd printing of the Piper edition, which i've entered separately. As the faulty one was approved too, i have corrected it to an entry for the first printing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5722245]. Please take a look. [[User:Welo|Welo]] ([[User talk:Welo|talk]]) 02:57, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No problem approved. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 09:21, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Hounds of God ==<br />
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You recently moderated [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41701 this] publication but did not take account of the note I made in reference to the cover art credit which is still wrong - shows Kevin Eugene Johnson not Steve Crisp. I can't edit the credit to the correct one since it's linked to the 'other' cover (the one by Johnson) that is decidedly not the same as the Steven Crisp cover. Take note that Steven Crisp and Steve Crisp are one and the same person. If you could use your moderation wand to sort that out that'd be great. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 01:15, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:to fix this I'll unmerge the incorrect cover then change to Steven Crisp and last create variant to parent name Steve Crisp.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 10:27, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:There was an existing record for this cover[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1688421] under Steven Crisp name already variated to the parent name so I just merged the two records.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 10:34, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I was aware of the pb edition but, obviously, couldn't edit the incorrect data for the hardback edition. Thanks dfor waving your magic wand over that and sorting it out. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 15:17, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Impact-20 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17894; http://bookscans.com/Publishers/pblib/pblib01.htm; I'd like to replace Impact-20 Amazon cover with Bookscans cover, color is less faded, if that's OK. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:21, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Alpha Yes, Terra No! / The Ballad of Beta-2 ==<br />
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● Can you please check your copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?282001 Alpha Yes, Terra No! / The Ballad of Beta-2]? According to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?968140 Paperback Fantastic, Volume 1: Science Fiction] the cover of <i>The Ballad of Beta-2</i> is by Jack Gaughan, who is credited with <i> Alpha Yes, Terra No!</i> instead. Before permanent credit is assigned, I would like to know. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 23:59, 29 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The crediting is correctly stated but the cover credited to Ed Vligursky does not have the usual red color somewhere on the main character.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 00:22, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Well okay. I think I got that attribution straightened out. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 02:41, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== This World Is Taboo ==<br />
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Please see [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#This_World_Is_Taboo this conversation] which would impact your verified {{P|202037|Ace Books edition}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 06:45, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pillar of Fire ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5781830; Title is missing comma after the first "tomorrow". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:41, 3 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Death's Head ==<br />
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You are PV2 for this title: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?97321 I just submitted this edit: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?97321 Cheers. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 22:53, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== In the Ocean of Night ==<br />
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Hi. I'm adding the lccn # to <br />
[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18103 In the Ocean of Night] if that's OK with you. Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 23:21, 13 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:One of the books I sold that I missed moving to transient, it appears that the LCCN is invalid did you miss type it?[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 11:18, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Just rechecked, it definitely says 77-87161. I guess I'll change that to a note. Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 20:54, 16 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Approved the new update.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 22:35, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Conquest of the Amazon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791504; Should publisher be changed to either Orbit / Futura, Orbit / Futura Publications, or Orbit Book / Futura Publications, all of them publishers already on ISFDB, since Futura is also on the title page of this book? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:57, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Avon Lem ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?165731; While adding Archive.org link in a PENDING edit I noticed there was no price so I entered it, $1.25, from top right corner. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:28, 5 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:It appears Stonecreek revered my title change & deleted the price(without notifying me), the recorded don't go back far enough to see what it was(the price).I no long have this book, if I was notified in 2021 I could have checked before I sold it.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 22:29, 5 November 2023 (EST)</div>
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:T.sebesta&diff=673630
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User talk:Kraang
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== SF: The Year's Greatest Science-Fiction and Fantasy Second Annual Volume / Title change discussion ==<br />
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== Reeve - Station Zero ==<br />
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Hi, first off, thanks for your moderating my submissions! Out of curiousity, what went wrong with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5533261 this submission] where you fixed the HTML? Was it two spaces instead of one between the text and the link? That's the only difference I can see. Thanks for fixing it anyway! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:00, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:There was an extra "< / ul >" that appeared to be the problem, since you use a similar template in notes I looked at a previous one & removed the extra. Happy to moderate submissions, took a couple of months of now I'm back.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:26, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Ah, found it, thanks, and welcome back! Incidentally, these two submissions [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5530361 5530361] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5530366 5530366] have been hanging around for a while. I wondered if they've dropped out of moderators sight...? Kev.--[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:55, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Wow! Thanks! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:04, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Daniel Boring ==<br />
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Hi, Kraang. I have a (slightly ridiculous) question about [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?103216| David Boring]. Back in 2009, you added the note about it being reviewed in an SF publication. Do you know which? It doesn't have any reviews listed right now. I know it's been years, but I'm curious. Thanks! —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 03:13, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:No idea now. I did a lot of cleanup of non-genre & graphic novels at the time. Possibly a link to the review has been deleted, being of a graphic novel. Now all that is left is the novel & my note. Hope this helps.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 12:11, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Aha! I found it: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1299001]. I'll change it back to a review. —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 12:16, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::: I would not change it to a review - the graphic novel is NOT eligible to be here... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:54, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== La canción de Bêlit ==<br />
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The novel was published in Brazil, but they divided it into four parts, only volume 1 came out, how do I register?[[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 14:16, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Add the publication in as a Chapbook and in the Regular Title section add (Part 1 of 4) or (Vol 1) after title, then make title type a serial. Are the other three parts going to be published? If not then a note would help explain it's intension to be a novel but has not been completed. Hope this helps, I'll lookout for your submission.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:33, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::the publisher's page says it would be published in two volumes, the cover artist's Facebook page says in four parts, however, only the first volume was published, nothing was said if there will be continuation. I think the illustrator is right, as the original book has 572 pages and this one has 176. In the original book, it seems to already be divided into 4 parts. [[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 12:21, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Looking at the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?932583 original (2017) Spanish text], I see the following note:<br />
:::* Robert E. Howard's [novelette] "La Reina de la Costa Negra", which is included in its entirety in this novel, was originally published in ''Weird Tales'' in May 1934 as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?68499 "The Queen of the Black Coast."] The Spanish translation is the work of Rodolfo Martínez [...]<br />
::: This explains why the title page and the cover credit both Howard and Martínez. I suggest that we add Howard's name to the Spanish title as well as to the proposed Portuguese title.<br />
::: I can also confirm that the Spanish original consists of 4 "cuarta"s ("quarters"), so it seems likely that a 176-page book would contain the first "quarter" as opposed to the first half of the original, which is 572 pages long. Furthermore, the Spanish original is 168K words long. The four "quarters" are novella length since they are under the 40K limit:<br />
:::* First "quarter" -- 19%<br />
:::* Second "quarter" -- 23%<br />
:::* Third "quarter" -- 23%<br />
:::* Fourth "quarter" -- 21%<br />
:::* Appendices, including Martínez's translation of Howard's fictionalized essay [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?121948 "The Hyborian Age"] -- 12%<br />
::: This means that Kraang's guess above is correct and they are, in ISFDB terms, SERIALs as opposed to "split novels". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:33, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::Yes, the subtitle in Portuguese is "A tigresa e o leão", which is the same as "la tigresa y el léon" described as "libro primero" (first book).[[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 19:45, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
Enter the first book with as much detail you can find & I'll fix it up as best I can. I'll deal with the other submission tomorrow night when I get home. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:24, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::A second book was published [https://aveceditora.com.br/produto/a-cancao-de-belit-2 A canção de Bêlit: a última jornada][[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 09:57, 1 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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I understand, in fact the novel is divided into four parts and each book publishes two parts. [[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 09:29, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pwendt for self-approver ==<br />
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Hi, Kraang. Happy New Year! I hope to be a self-approver imminently. I prefer to be nominated by another, but I plan to nominate myself ("Self-nomination for self-approver") sometime tomorrow if none of you, plural, is available ready and willing in the next 20 hours or so. I write to a couple others too. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:42, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Back form short holiday will support self-approver.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:34, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Theodora Goss / The Thorn and the Blossom - Deletion Problem ==<br />
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You have processed all my submissions for this title to date but I'm now stuck on a step. As you know, I'm converting this from a Chapbook with a Novella to a Collection with two Novelettes. I now want to delete the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1347059 Novella record] as it has no associated pubs but I can't. When I try to "Delete This Title", I get the message "Error: 1 awards still refer to this title". There is no option to remove the Award or the Reviews so how do I go about deleting the Novella? Incidentally, I have taken a note of the Award and 5 Reviews and will import them to the container title for the Collection once it has been created. Thanks in advance for your help. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 07:54, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Yes, but it seems it is the piece of shortfiction that got the award, and it should have been published somewhere (or was it handed to one of the two new titles?). Or it may be possible to link the award to the collection instead. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:02, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I'll have a look at this tonight. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 11:33, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Ok everything should be fixed, the award & reviews are there , except the award describes it as "Best Novelette". Maybe an explanation should be added to explain the difference.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 13:38, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::All looks good now, thanks. One last piece of tidying up: deletion of the old, incorrectly titled Interiorart record. I have submitted an edit to do this. I see where you're coming from regarding an explanation of the Locus award as "Best Novelette" but I have no idea why Locus considered it to be a Novelette. The approx word counts are: Brendan's Story - 10,500 and Evelyn's Story - 10,900. So even if you consider the whole work to be a single piece of fiction (which it isn't), the total word count is 21,400 hence Novella. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:46, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Link fix ==<br />
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Thanks for your time fixing that wrong image link :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:42, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Asimov - I, Robot - by Fawcett Crest ==<br />
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Hi, re your {{P|205693|PV here}}, this is just a heads-up to point to my discussion with Tom [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Taweiss#Asimov_-_I.2C_Robot Taweiss] regarding Fawcett covers and this {{P|205285|1970 printing}}. You might find something there for yours. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 00:53, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I'll have a look at my copy tonight and see if there is anything to add. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 12:32, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Self-Approver ==<br />
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Hello, as you're in the list of moderators handling my most recent submission, can you please comment on https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Self-Moderation_Request? --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 06:43, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== :) ==<br />
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Thanks for the work you're doing and for fixing the asterisk - don't know how that got in there... Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:59, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Easy fix once I figured out what was wrong, was not obvious at first.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:14, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Signet -> Signet / New American Library ==<br />
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Any objection to changing this to Signet / New American Library<br><br />
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<li>https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?229073</li><br />
</ul>--[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] ([[User talk:Spacecow|talk]]) 04:13, 12 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Please submit the change. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 11:23, 12 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== :) ==<br />
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Many thanks! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:56, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I'll have a go at the rest tomorrow if there still on the board. I see what you are doing but in a way that may take a bit of unmerging and re merging. I need to look at all the relevant edits before I proceed. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:06, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Please don't take any actions further to my outstanding edits (apart from approval or not), as I'm aware of everything that needs to be done going forward and I'm tracking it all - what needs to be done in which order. Thanks again, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:26, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK, I'll do them now. As an alternative method just unmerge the publications & rename if necessary, then remerged with the correct title record. Generally this will have less steps. Hope this helps. :)[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:43, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Yes, I tried considering the number of steps involved, trying to work out the most efficient (and I've unmerged/remerged in the past) but I opted for the simple one-step-at-a time approach as the whole thing is quite complex. But thanks for your considerate thought :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:47, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Getting back to my 'pending', I see you've cleared them all. What excellent communication! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:50, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
Happy to help. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:54, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Impressive! Thanks again :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:20, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Incorrect info added to database ==<br />
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Hello Kraang, I am one of the editors of the Brazilian magazine Histórias Extraordinárias. We have published six issues so far. The latest one was published in April 2023 and it has been added recently to the database (submission #5652271).<br />
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I noticed that two more records appeared, probably submitted by someone else but approved by you. They somehow duplicate the info (with much less detail), but incorrectly state that Histórias Extraordinárias is an ANTHOLOGY, which it is not. It is a magazine that publishes new material.<br />
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The incorrect publication records are: #950021 and #950023.<br />
We just launched all six issues in digital versions (PDF) so I believe that the submitter wants to include them. I agree that they should appear as different format, but we should at least just duplicate the existing information (which is "official" and more comprehensive) changing only the format. Can you please help us in this regard once we sort out these two "rogue" records? :)<br />
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The six magazine issues so far are the following:<br />
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{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ Histórias Extraordinárias Magazine<br />
|-<br />
! Issue number !! detail !! Pub record !! Incorrect<br />
|-<br />
| Issue 1|| December 2020|| #913217|| #950021<br />
|-<br />
| Issue 2 || April 2021|| #914003|| #950023<br />
|-<br />
| Issue 3 || August 2021|| #914004||<br />
|-<br />
| Issue 4 || December 2021|| #914005||<br />
|-<br />
| Issue 5 || August 2022|| #915288||<br />
|-<br />
| Issue 6 || April 2023|| #950024||<br />
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|}<br />
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As a side note, the latest issue is not appearing in the publication series #67858. I spotted a difference in how the title is formatted in the Title Record and submitted a change request in order to correct it (submission #5659612). I ask you to please review and apply the suitable correction. Thanks!<br />
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--[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 22:32, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Sorry about the mix-up, if I had realized it was a magazine I would have left it for some one else. I'll have a look at the submission and approve if it looks ok, if I'm uncertain I'll flag it for a mod who deals more with magazines. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:14, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I think the best thing to do is delete the rogue entries and the you can submit a clone of an existing pub with the necessary changes.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:22, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Rogue records have been deleted, just use the cloning option, this way no merging or changing title records is necessary, everything will be where it should be.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:33, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks for your help with the rogue entries! Now I will ask you help with another matter: The latest issue (pub record #950024) does not appear listed along with the previous five. I refer to the page in the link that appears [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?67858 here]. Can you please help with this as well? I don't know what to change in the pub info to link it to the others. Thanks!<br />
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::: Update: I have just submitted a clone request for the first 5 issues, changing the format to ebook and adding the format (PDF) to the notes field. I will do the same to Issue 6 once we sort out the above point. Thanks and have a good day!<br />
:::--[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 13:07, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::All fixed just had to add the series name to the title record.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 18:23, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::Perfect! Thank you very much!! Now I just created the variants for the artworks in the latest issue, and once they are approved, I will clone it to the ebook format. Thank you for all your help!!<br />
:::::--[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 19:30, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Not a Variant ==<br />
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Hello Kraang, I recently submitted two title update requests because I noticed a typo in the title of a short sory and its accompaining interiorart.<br />
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Issue 1 of "Histórias Extraordinárias" magazine ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?913217 December 2020]) contains a short story called "Hypnos e Morfeu". However, when inserting the data months ago, I wrote "Morfeu'''s'''" (with an "s") instead of "Morfeu". The story also has an interiorart which received the same name (wrong, with the 's').<br />
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I noticed the error last week and submitted two requests:<br />
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1) Submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5661908 #5661908] to change the short story title (Title Record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3076119 #3076119])<br />
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2) Submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5661909 #5661909] to change the interiorart title (Title Record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3076118 #3076118])<br />
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The titles are shared by the bedsheet and ebook publications (ebook is a clone of the bedsheet).<br />
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However, while for the interiorart it seems all ok, the short story lists the correct name as a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3082550 variant of the old name], which it is not. The old title should be deleted and the corrected title should be kept. We should just correct the typo, not create a variant.<br />
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It currently appears as --> Variant Title of: Hypnos e Morfeus (by Marcus Garrett) [may list more publications, awards, reviews, votes and covers]<br />
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Can you please help with this?<br />
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I believe that deleting [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3082550 this record] would be enough to break this "variant link" but I am not sure, so I am asking for your help.<br />
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Thanks.<br />
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--[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 19:41, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I dropped the "s" on the parent title, but the variant is correct since the short story is written using an alternate name. A variant is created to the parent name "Marcus Garrett".[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:25, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::OK! I stand corrected. Thanks for fixing the issue of the extra "s". All seems to be OK now. Sorry about the inconvenience. Have a nice week! --[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 19:57, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Live Free or Die ==<br />
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Just a note that I fixed a capitalization issue ("or" was recorded as "Or") on your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?304688 verified]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:24, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Abhorsen ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Please keep an eye for the "Language mismatch" warnings when approving imports: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5246823 this] should not have been approved - instead a new cover should have been created for the Dutch books and then varianted. We match the art language to the book language even when the titles are the same. I had unmerged and I am working through a series of these you approved so just dropping you a note. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:54, 30 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zebrowski - Ashes and Stars ==<br />
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Hello, I'm letting you know I'm adding Reginald3 ID# to your PV'd {{P|186781|pub here}}. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 02:08, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Also to {{P|44249|The Monadic Universe}}. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:06, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:If just adding ID's or extra data to notes I'm fine with that , no need to notify me, but thanks anyways. :)[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 16:01, 3 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zebrowski - The Omega Point Trilogy ==<br />
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Hello, with regard to your {{P|93651|Canadian edition}}, I'm assuming that it's essentially the same as the {{P|277309|US edition}} which has pages as viii+295. Does yours have roman numeral numbered pages? If so, I suggest they should be recorded - even though there is/might be no content needing recording - per the pages help guide. What do you think? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:46, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The contents are the same just the cover is different, I'll update the page number. Thanks.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 16:03, 3 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cat People ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5675093; Some confusion here, in case you can clear it up. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:04, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:This was a stray pub, the database was full of them in the early days so I created a title record for it and moved on to the next one. The searching of databases & sellers is a lot easier now with all the links. All fixed now.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 19:41, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zelazny - The Chronicles of Amber: Volume I ==<br />
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Hello, way back when, you moderated the last two submissions for {{T|39628|this title}}. I can't find any justification or source for the date being 1979-01-01 instead of the Doubleday 1979-01-00. What do you think? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:20, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No idea, just slipped in, so I'll make it go back one day to 1979-01-00.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 22:02, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: :) thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:16, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jack Campbell: Invincible ==<br />
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I have a pending submission to remove the series name from your PVed record. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5712286 submission]. Any problem with me finishing the approval? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:15, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No problem change away.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 10:17, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Seedling Stars ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128431; A copy was uploaded to Archive.org last fall so I've added a link in a PENDING edit but neither Open Library or Amazon seem to have the cover so maybe you'd like to upload yours or an online cover that looks like yours. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:46, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Recent approvals. ==<br />
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Greetings Kraang, I've asked a new editor what makes a number of his new publication submissions eligible for inclusion. You may wish to comment [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Twisty#Speculative_Fiction.3F here] since you approved them. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:29, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Hi! It would also be appreciated if you could keep an eye on text lengths. For example, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?959237 this] - with 32 pages - can't be a novel as initially approved (I changed this one to CHAPBOOK). Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:45, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Magazines dating question ==<br />
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Hello Kraang, <br />
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Can you clarify the approved date [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5678636 here]? We date magazines based on their cover date and if another means is used, it needs to be in the notes. That applies to magazines where Amazon may have an exact date as well... I do not see a note explaining the dating. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:18, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Deal so little with magazines I forget about all the different rules, only approved the edit to get the stories. Please change the date to what it should be, I'll try to be more careful with magazine submissions in the future or I might just avoid magazine submissions altogether no matter how correct it looks. THanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 16:17, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: I will work with the editor - they seem to have changed the date similarly in more than one magazine. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:31, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Joe Haldeman / Camouflage - Cover Image ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?63142 Camouflage]. The Amazon image on this pub record is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?351561 Artwork A] whereas my copy has [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1866095 Artwork B]. Can you please check your copy. If you agree, I will scan my cover, upload it and also correct the coverart record. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:56, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Mine has the correct cover image ArtwokA.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:12, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Had a better look & it's similar to ArtworkA but a bit different, but not at all like ArtworkB, will have to upload mine or find new Amazon image. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:17, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Replace image from Amazon with correct cover, will do a scan of covers in the future & replace this and some others.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:22, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::The new Amazon image to which you have linked is the correct cover and it is Artwork B; it's just that the hb cover is much darker than the pb and ebook covers. The image is not ideal because it has the "Copyrighted Material" watermarks at top and bottom. Let me know whether you'd like me to upload and link a scan from my copy or whether you'd prefer to do it yourself. Also, the pub record needs to have the current Artwork A coverart record removed and the Artwork B coverart record imported. Again, please let me know whether you'd like me to submit edits for this or whether you'd prefer to do it yourself. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 11:18, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Please go ahead and upload your cover, plus all the necessary changes. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 12:21, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I have submitted the first 3 of 5 edits. I will submit the last 2 after the first 3 have been processed. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:48, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Gaiman/Pratchett - Ein gutes Omen ==<br />
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Hi,<br />
[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?961539 this submission] of mine was wrong. Don't know what happened there, may have mistakenly pressed enter or a browser hickup. Was intended for the 3rd printing of the Piper edition, which i've entered separately. As the faulty one was approved too, i have corrected it to an entry for the first printing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5722245]. Please take a look. [[User:Welo|Welo]] ([[User talk:Welo|talk]]) 02:57, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No problem approved. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 09:21, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Hounds of God ==<br />
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You recently moderated [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41701 this] publication but did not take account of the note I made in reference to the cover art credit which is still wrong - shows Kevin Eugene Johnson not Steve Crisp. I can't edit the credit to the correct one since it's linked to the 'other' cover (the one by Johnson) that is decidedly not the same as the Steven Crisp cover. Take note that Steven Crisp and Steve Crisp are one and the same person. If you could use your moderation wand to sort that out that'd be great. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 01:15, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:to fix this I'll unmerge the incorrect cover then change to Steven Crisp and last create variant to parent name Steve Crisp.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 10:27, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:There was an existing record for this cover[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1688421] under Steven Crisp name already variated to the parent name so I just merged the two records.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 10:34, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I was aware of the pb edition but, obviously, couldn't edit the incorrect data for the hardback edition. Thanks dfor waving your magic wand over that and sorting it out. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 15:17, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Impact-20 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17894; http://bookscans.com/Publishers/pblib/pblib01.htm; I'd like to replace Impact-20 Amazon cover with Bookscans cover, color is less faded, if that's OK. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:21, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Alpha Yes, Terra No! / The Ballad of Beta-2 ==<br />
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● Can you please check your copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?282001 Alpha Yes, Terra No! / The Ballad of Beta-2]? According to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?968140 Paperback Fantastic, Volume 1: Science Fiction] the cover of <i>The Ballad of Beta-2</i> is by Jack Gaughan, who is credited with <i> Alpha Yes, Terra No!</i> instead. Before permanent credit is assigned, I would like to know. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 23:59, 29 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The crediting is correctly stated but the cover credited to Ed Vligursky does not have the usual red color somewhere on the main character.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 00:22, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Well okay. I think I got that attribution straightened out. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 02:41, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== This World Is Taboo ==<br />
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Please see [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#This_World_Is_Taboo this conversation] which would impact your verified {{P|202037|Ace Books edition}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 06:45, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pillar of Fire ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5781830; Title is missing comma after the first "tomorrow". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:41, 3 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Death's Head ==<br />
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You are PV2 for this title: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?97321 I just submitted this edit: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?97321 Cheers. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 22:53, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== In the Ocean of Night ==<br />
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Hi. I'm adding the lccn # to <br />
[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18103 In the Ocean of Night] if that's OK with you. Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 23:21, 13 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:One of the books I sold that I missed moving to transient, it appears that the LCCN is invalid did you miss type it?[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 11:18, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Just rechecked, it definitely says 77-87161. I guess I'll change that to a note. Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 20:54, 16 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Approved the new update.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 22:35, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Conquest of the Amazon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791504; Should publisher be changed to either Orbit / Futura, Orbit / Futura Publications, or Orbit Book / Futura Publications, all of them publishers already on ISFDB, since Futura is also on the title page of this book? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:57, 17 October 2023 (EDT)</div>
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== SF: The Year's Greatest Science-Fiction and Fantasy Second Annual Volume / Title change discussion ==<br />
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Please respond at [[User_talk:GlennMcG#SF:_The_Year.27s_Greatest_Science-Fiction_and_Fantasy_Second_Annual_Volume_.2F_Shared_title_change_discussion|GlennMcG talk]]. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 19:52, 1 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Reeve - Station Zero ==<br />
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Hi, first off, thanks for your moderating my submissions! Out of curiousity, what went wrong with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5533261 this submission] where you fixed the HTML? Was it two spaces instead of one between the text and the link? That's the only difference I can see. Thanks for fixing it anyway! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:00, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:There was an extra "< / ul >" that appeared to be the problem, since you use a similar template in notes I looked at a previous one & removed the extra. Happy to moderate submissions, took a couple of months of now I'm back.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:26, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Ah, found it, thanks, and welcome back! Incidentally, these two submissions [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5530361 5530361] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5530366 5530366] have been hanging around for a while. I wondered if they've dropped out of moderators sight...? Kev.--[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:55, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Wow! Thanks! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:04, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Daniel Boring ==<br />
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Hi, Kraang. I have a (slightly ridiculous) question about [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?103216| David Boring]. Back in 2009, you added the note about it being reviewed in an SF publication. Do you know which? It doesn't have any reviews listed right now. I know it's been years, but I'm curious. Thanks! —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 03:13, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:No idea now. I did a lot of cleanup of non-genre & graphic novels at the time. Possibly a link to the review has been deleted, being of a graphic novel. Now all that is left is the novel & my note. Hope this helps.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 12:11, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Aha! I found it: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1299001]. I'll change it back to a review. —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 12:16, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::: I would not change it to a review - the graphic novel is NOT eligible to be here... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:54, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== La canción de Bêlit ==<br />
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The novel was published in Brazil, but they divided it into four parts, only volume 1 came out, how do I register?[[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 14:16, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Add the publication in as a Chapbook and in the Regular Title section add (Part 1 of 4) or (Vol 1) after title, then make title type a serial. Are the other three parts going to be published? If not then a note would help explain it's intension to be a novel but has not been completed. Hope this helps, I'll lookout for your submission.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:33, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::the publisher's page says it would be published in two volumes, the cover artist's Facebook page says in four parts, however, only the first volume was published, nothing was said if there will be continuation. I think the illustrator is right, as the original book has 572 pages and this one has 176. In the original book, it seems to already be divided into 4 parts. [[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 12:21, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Looking at the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?932583 original (2017) Spanish text], I see the following note:<br />
:::* Robert E. Howard's [novelette] "La Reina de la Costa Negra", which is included in its entirety in this novel, was originally published in ''Weird Tales'' in May 1934 as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?68499 "The Queen of the Black Coast."] The Spanish translation is the work of Rodolfo Martínez [...]<br />
::: This explains why the title page and the cover credit both Howard and Martínez. I suggest that we add Howard's name to the Spanish title as well as to the proposed Portuguese title.<br />
::: I can also confirm that the Spanish original consists of 4 "cuarta"s ("quarters"), so it seems likely that a 176-page book would contain the first "quarter" as opposed to the first half of the original, which is 572 pages long. Furthermore, the Spanish original is 168K words long. The four "quarters" are novella length since they are under the 40K limit:<br />
:::* First "quarter" -- 19%<br />
:::* Second "quarter" -- 23%<br />
:::* Third "quarter" -- 23%<br />
:::* Fourth "quarter" -- 21%<br />
:::* Appendices, including Martínez's translation of Howard's fictionalized essay [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?121948 "The Hyborian Age"] -- 12%<br />
::: This means that Kraang's guess above is correct and they are, in ISFDB terms, SERIALs as opposed to "split novels". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:33, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::Yes, the subtitle in Portuguese is "A tigresa e o leão", which is the same as "la tigresa y el léon" described as "libro primero" (first book).[[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 19:45, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
Enter the first book with as much detail you can find & I'll fix it up as best I can. I'll deal with the other submission tomorrow night when I get home. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:24, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::A second book was published [https://aveceditora.com.br/produto/a-cancao-de-belit-2 A canção de Bêlit: a última jornada][[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 09:57, 1 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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I understand, in fact the novel is divided into four parts and each book publishes two parts. [[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 09:29, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pwendt for self-approver ==<br />
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Hi, Kraang. Happy New Year! I hope to be a self-approver imminently. I prefer to be nominated by another, but I plan to nominate myself ("Self-nomination for self-approver") sometime tomorrow if none of you, plural, is available ready and willing in the next 20 hours or so. I write to a couple others too. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:42, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Back form short holiday will support self-approver.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:34, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Theodora Goss / The Thorn and the Blossom - Deletion Problem ==<br />
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You have processed all my submissions for this title to date but I'm now stuck on a step. As you know, I'm converting this from a Chapbook with a Novella to a Collection with two Novelettes. I now want to delete the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1347059 Novella record] as it has no associated pubs but I can't. When I try to "Delete This Title", I get the message "Error: 1 awards still refer to this title". There is no option to remove the Award or the Reviews so how do I go about deleting the Novella? Incidentally, I have taken a note of the Award and 5 Reviews and will import them to the container title for the Collection once it has been created. Thanks in advance for your help. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 07:54, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Yes, but it seems it is the piece of shortfiction that got the award, and it should have been published somewhere (or was it handed to one of the two new titles?). Or it may be possible to link the award to the collection instead. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:02, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I'll have a look at this tonight. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 11:33, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Ok everything should be fixed, the award & reviews are there , except the award describes it as "Best Novelette". Maybe an explanation should be added to explain the difference.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 13:38, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::All looks good now, thanks. One last piece of tidying up: deletion of the old, incorrectly titled Interiorart record. I have submitted an edit to do this. I see where you're coming from regarding an explanation of the Locus award as "Best Novelette" but I have no idea why Locus considered it to be a Novelette. The approx word counts are: Brendan's Story - 10,500 and Evelyn's Story - 10,900. So even if you consider the whole work to be a single piece of fiction (which it isn't), the total word count is 21,400 hence Novella. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:46, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Link fix ==<br />
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Thanks for your time fixing that wrong image link :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:42, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Asimov - I, Robot - by Fawcett Crest ==<br />
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Hi, re your {{P|205693|PV here}}, this is just a heads-up to point to my discussion with Tom [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Taweiss#Asimov_-_I.2C_Robot Taweiss] regarding Fawcett covers and this {{P|205285|1970 printing}}. You might find something there for yours. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 00:53, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I'll have a look at my copy tonight and see if there is anything to add. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 12:32, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Self-Approver ==<br />
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Hello, as you're in the list of moderators handling my most recent submission, can you please comment on https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Self-Moderation_Request? --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 06:43, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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Thanks for the work you're doing and for fixing the asterisk - don't know how that got in there... Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:59, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Easy fix once I figured out what was wrong, was not obvious at first.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:14, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Signet -> Signet / New American Library ==<br />
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Any objection to changing this to Signet / New American Library<br><br />
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<li>https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?229073</li><br />
</ul>--[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] ([[User talk:Spacecow|talk]]) 04:13, 12 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Please submit the change. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 11:23, 12 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Many thanks! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:56, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I'll have a go at the rest tomorrow if there still on the board. I see what you are doing but in a way that may take a bit of unmerging and re merging. I need to look at all the relevant edits before I proceed. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:06, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Please don't take any actions further to my outstanding edits (apart from approval or not), as I'm aware of everything that needs to be done going forward and I'm tracking it all - what needs to be done in which order. Thanks again, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:26, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK, I'll do them now. As an alternative method just unmerge the publications & rename if necessary, then remerged with the correct title record. Generally this will have less steps. Hope this helps. :)[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:43, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Yes, I tried considering the number of steps involved, trying to work out the most efficient (and I've unmerged/remerged in the past) but I opted for the simple one-step-at-a time approach as the whole thing is quite complex. But thanks for your considerate thought :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:47, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Getting back to my 'pending', I see you've cleared them all. What excellent communication! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:50, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
Happy to help. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:54, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Impressive! Thanks again :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:20, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Incorrect info added to database ==<br />
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Hello Kraang, I am one of the editors of the Brazilian magazine Histórias Extraordinárias. We have published six issues so far. The latest one was published in April 2023 and it has been added recently to the database (submission #5652271).<br />
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I noticed that two more records appeared, probably submitted by someone else but approved by you. They somehow duplicate the info (with much less detail), but incorrectly state that Histórias Extraordinárias is an ANTHOLOGY, which it is not. It is a magazine that publishes new material.<br />
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The incorrect publication records are: #950021 and #950023.<br />
We just launched all six issues in digital versions (PDF) so I believe that the submitter wants to include them. I agree that they should appear as different format, but we should at least just duplicate the existing information (which is "official" and more comprehensive) changing only the format. Can you please help us in this regard once we sort out these two "rogue" records? :)<br />
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The six magazine issues so far are the following:<br />
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|+ Histórias Extraordinárias Magazine<br />
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! Issue number !! detail !! Pub record !! Incorrect<br />
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| Issue 1|| December 2020|| #913217|| #950021<br />
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| Issue 2 || April 2021|| #914003|| #950023<br />
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| Issue 3 || August 2021|| #914004||<br />
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| Issue 4 || December 2021|| #914005||<br />
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| Issue 5 || August 2022|| #915288||<br />
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| Issue 6 || April 2023|| #950024||<br />
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As a side note, the latest issue is not appearing in the publication series #67858. I spotted a difference in how the title is formatted in the Title Record and submitted a change request in order to correct it (submission #5659612). I ask you to please review and apply the suitable correction. Thanks!<br />
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--[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 22:32, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Sorry about the mix-up, if I had realized it was a magazine I would have left it for some one else. I'll have a look at the submission and approve if it looks ok, if I'm uncertain I'll flag it for a mod who deals more with magazines. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:14, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I think the best thing to do is delete the rogue entries and the you can submit a clone of an existing pub with the necessary changes.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:22, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Rogue records have been deleted, just use the cloning option, this way no merging or changing title records is necessary, everything will be where it should be.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:33, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks for your help with the rogue entries! Now I will ask you help with another matter: The latest issue (pub record #950024) does not appear listed along with the previous five. I refer to the page in the link that appears [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?67858 here]. Can you please help with this as well? I don't know what to change in the pub info to link it to the others. Thanks!<br />
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::: Update: I have just submitted a clone request for the first 5 issues, changing the format to ebook and adding the format (PDF) to the notes field. I will do the same to Issue 6 once we sort out the above point. Thanks and have a good day!<br />
:::--[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 13:07, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::All fixed just had to add the series name to the title record.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 18:23, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::Perfect! Thank you very much!! Now I just created the variants for the artworks in the latest issue, and once they are approved, I will clone it to the ebook format. Thank you for all your help!!<br />
:::::--[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 19:30, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Not a Variant ==<br />
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Hello Kraang, I recently submitted two title update requests because I noticed a typo in the title of a short sory and its accompaining interiorart.<br />
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Issue 1 of "Histórias Extraordinárias" magazine ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?913217 December 2020]) contains a short story called "Hypnos e Morfeu". However, when inserting the data months ago, I wrote "Morfeu'''s'''" (with an "s") instead of "Morfeu". The story also has an interiorart which received the same name (wrong, with the 's').<br />
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I noticed the error last week and submitted two requests:<br />
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1) Submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5661908 #5661908] to change the short story title (Title Record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3076119 #3076119])<br />
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2) Submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5661909 #5661909] to change the interiorart title (Title Record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3076118 #3076118])<br />
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The titles are shared by the bedsheet and ebook publications (ebook is a clone of the bedsheet).<br />
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However, while for the interiorart it seems all ok, the short story lists the correct name as a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3082550 variant of the old name], which it is not. The old title should be deleted and the corrected title should be kept. We should just correct the typo, not create a variant.<br />
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It currently appears as --> Variant Title of: Hypnos e Morfeus (by Marcus Garrett) [may list more publications, awards, reviews, votes and covers]<br />
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Can you please help with this?<br />
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I believe that deleting [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3082550 this record] would be enough to break this "variant link" but I am not sure, so I am asking for your help.<br />
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Thanks.<br />
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--[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 19:41, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I dropped the "s" on the parent title, but the variant is correct since the short story is written using an alternate name. A variant is created to the parent name "Marcus Garrett".[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:25, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::OK! I stand corrected. Thanks for fixing the issue of the extra "s". All seems to be OK now. Sorry about the inconvenience. Have a nice week! --[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 19:57, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Live Free or Die ==<br />
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Just a note that I fixed a capitalization issue ("or" was recorded as "Or") on your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?304688 verified]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:24, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Abhorsen ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Please keep an eye for the "Language mismatch" warnings when approving imports: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5246823 this] should not have been approved - instead a new cover should have been created for the Dutch books and then varianted. We match the art language to the book language even when the titles are the same. I had unmerged and I am working through a series of these you approved so just dropping you a note. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:54, 30 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zebrowski - Ashes and Stars ==<br />
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Hello, I'm letting you know I'm adding Reginald3 ID# to your PV'd {{P|186781|pub here}}. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 02:08, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Also to {{P|44249|The Monadic Universe}}. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:06, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:If just adding ID's or extra data to notes I'm fine with that , no need to notify me, but thanks anyways. :)[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 16:01, 3 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zebrowski - The Omega Point Trilogy ==<br />
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Hello, with regard to your {{P|93651|Canadian edition}}, I'm assuming that it's essentially the same as the {{P|277309|US edition}} which has pages as viii+295. Does yours have roman numeral numbered pages? If so, I suggest they should be recorded - even though there is/might be no content needing recording - per the pages help guide. What do you think? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:46, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The contents are the same just the cover is different, I'll update the page number. Thanks.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 16:03, 3 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cat People ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5675093; Some confusion here, in case you can clear it up. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:04, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:This was a stray pub, the database was full of them in the early days so I created a title record for it and moved on to the next one. The searching of databases & sellers is a lot easier now with all the links. All fixed now.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 19:41, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zelazny - The Chronicles of Amber: Volume I ==<br />
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Hello, way back when, you moderated the last two submissions for {{T|39628|this title}}. I can't find any justification or source for the date being 1979-01-01 instead of the Doubleday 1979-01-00. What do you think? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:20, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No idea, just slipped in, so I'll make it go back one day to 1979-01-00.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 22:02, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: :) thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:16, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jack Campbell: Invincible ==<br />
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I have a pending submission to remove the series name from your PVed record. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5712286 submission]. Any problem with me finishing the approval? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:15, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No problem change away.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 10:17, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Seedling Stars ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128431; A copy was uploaded to Archive.org last fall so I've added a link in a PENDING edit but neither Open Library or Amazon seem to have the cover so maybe you'd like to upload yours or an online cover that looks like yours. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:46, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Recent approvals. ==<br />
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Greetings Kraang, I've asked a new editor what makes a number of his new publication submissions eligible for inclusion. You may wish to comment [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Twisty#Speculative_Fiction.3F here] since you approved them. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:29, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Hi! It would also be appreciated if you could keep an eye on text lengths. For example, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?959237 this] - with 32 pages - can't be a novel as initially approved (I changed this one to CHAPBOOK). Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:45, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Magazines dating question ==<br />
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Hello Kraang, <br />
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Can you clarify the approved date [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5678636 here]? We date magazines based on their cover date and if another means is used, it needs to be in the notes. That applies to magazines where Amazon may have an exact date as well... I do not see a note explaining the dating. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:18, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Deal so little with magazines I forget about all the different rules, only approved the edit to get the stories. Please change the date to what it should be, I'll try to be more careful with magazine submissions in the future or I might just avoid magazine submissions altogether no matter how correct it looks. THanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 16:17, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: I will work with the editor - they seem to have changed the date similarly in more than one magazine. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:31, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Joe Haldeman / Camouflage - Cover Image ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?63142 Camouflage]. The Amazon image on this pub record is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?351561 Artwork A] whereas my copy has [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1866095 Artwork B]. Can you please check your copy. If you agree, I will scan my cover, upload it and also correct the coverart record. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:56, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Mine has the correct cover image ArtwokA.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:12, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Had a better look & it's similar to ArtworkA but a bit different, but not at all like ArtworkB, will have to upload mine or find new Amazon image. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:17, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Replace image from Amazon with correct cover, will do a scan of covers in the future & replace this and some others.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:22, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::The new Amazon image to which you have linked is the correct cover and it is Artwork B; it's just that the hb cover is much darker than the pb and ebook covers. The image is not ideal because it has the "Copyrighted Material" watermarks at top and bottom. Let me know whether you'd like me to upload and link a scan from my copy or whether you'd prefer to do it yourself. Also, the pub record needs to have the current Artwork A coverart record removed and the Artwork B coverart record imported. Again, please let me know whether you'd like me to submit edits for this or whether you'd prefer to do it yourself. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 11:18, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Please go ahead and upload your cover, plus all the necessary changes. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 12:21, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I have submitted the first 3 of 5 edits. I will submit the last 2 after the first 3 have been processed. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:48, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Gaiman/Pratchett - Ein gutes Omen ==<br />
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Hi,<br />
[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?961539 this submission] of mine was wrong. Don't know what happened there, may have mistakenly pressed enter or a browser hickup. Was intended for the 3rd printing of the Piper edition, which i've entered separately. As the faulty one was approved too, i have corrected it to an entry for the first printing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5722245]. Please take a look. [[User:Welo|Welo]] ([[User talk:Welo|talk]]) 02:57, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No problem approved. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 09:21, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Hounds of God ==<br />
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You recently moderated [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41701 this] publication but did not take account of the note I made in reference to the cover art credit which is still wrong - shows Kevin Eugene Johnson not Steve Crisp. I can't edit the credit to the correct one since it's linked to the 'other' cover (the one by Johnson) that is decidedly not the same as the Steven Crisp cover. Take note that Steven Crisp and Steve Crisp are one and the same person. If you could use your moderation wand to sort that out that'd be great. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 01:15, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:to fix this I'll unmerge the incorrect cover then change to Steven Crisp and last create variant to parent name Steve Crisp.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 10:27, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:There was an existing record for this cover[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1688421] under Steven Crisp name already variated to the parent name so I just merged the two records.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 10:34, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I was aware of the pb edition but, obviously, couldn't edit the incorrect data for the hardback edition. Thanks dfor waving your magic wand over that and sorting it out. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 15:17, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Impact-20 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17894; http://bookscans.com/Publishers/pblib/pblib01.htm; I'd like to replace Impact-20 Amazon cover with Bookscans cover, color is less faded, if that's OK. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:21, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Alpha Yes, Terra No! / The Ballad of Beta-2 ==<br />
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● Can you please check your copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?282001 Alpha Yes, Terra No! / The Ballad of Beta-2]? According to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?968140 Paperback Fantastic, Volume 1: Science Fiction] the cover of <i>The Ballad of Beta-2</i> is by Jack Gaughan, who is credited with <i> Alpha Yes, Terra No!</i> instead. Before permanent credit is assigned, I would like to know. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 23:59, 29 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The crediting is correctly stated but the cover credited to Ed Vligursky does not have the usual red color somewhere on the main character.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 00:22, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Well okay. I think I got that attribution straightened out. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 02:41, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== This World Is Taboo ==<br />
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Please see [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#This_World_Is_Taboo this conversation] which would impact your verified {{P|202037|Ace Books edition}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 06:45, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pillar of Fire ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5781830; Title is missing comma after the first "tomorrow". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:41, 3 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Death's Head ==<br />
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You are PV2 for this title: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?97321 I just submitted this edit: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?97321 Cheers. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 22:53, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== In the Ocean of Night ==<br />
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Hi. I'm adding the lccn # to <br />
[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18103 In the Ocean of Night] if that's OK with you. Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 23:21, 13 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:One of the books I sold that I missed moving to transient, it appears that the LCCN is invalid did you miss type it?[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 11:18, 14 October 2023 (EDT)</div>
Kraang
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:KAHoneywell&diff=672312
User talk:KAHoneywell
2023-10-09T02:59:51Z
<p>Kraang: Created page with "{{welcome}}~~~~"</p>
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<div>{{welcome}}[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 22:59, 8 October 2023 (EDT)</div>
Kraang
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:SethWJames&diff=672168
User talk:SethWJames
2023-10-07T03:59:36Z
<p>Kraang: Created page with "{{welcome}}~~~~"</p>
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<div>{{welcome}}[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:59, 6 October 2023 (EDT)</div>
Kraang
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Emiliano74&diff=672166
User talk:Emiliano74
2023-10-07T03:32:42Z
<p>Kraang: Created page with "{{welcome}}~~~~"</p>
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<div>{{welcome}}[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:32, 6 October 2023 (EDT)</div>
Kraang
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB:Community_Portal&diff=671840
ISFDB:Community Portal
2023-10-01T19:58:48Z
<p>Kraang: /* This World Is Taboo */</p>
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== Post-submission pages for Edit Publication submissions updated ==<br />
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All "Modified Content" tables displayed on EditPub post-submission pages have been updated. Table cells which used to say "Current" now display a link to the Title ID about to be modified. Multiple yellow warnings are now displayed correctly and include the names of new/alternate name/disambiguated authors.<br />
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This pretty much completes the cleanup of post-submission pages. As always, if you come across errors or anything unexpected, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:30, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The software has been tweaked to display a yellow warning if a non-existing series, publication series or publisher matches a disambiguated record of the same type. For example, this yellow warning will be displayed if a submission uses "The Rules" in the "Series" field because we already have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?62626 The Rules (F. T. Lukens)] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?55408 The Rules (Aaron Oster)] on file. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:26, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Several Problems ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5590099; I was going to cancel this since nobody came to an agreement about what the publisher should be but when I looked at it I realized the note makes no sense because it describes a 1977 date for this 1983 book, also edit history's 2014 entry is offset from the rest so there seems to be a problem there, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:36, 1 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Resurrected Holmes ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?33870; I made some edits, still pending, adding March to the title date, correcting the title to "The Resurrected Holmes" since whoever entered info here went by the cover title and not the title page plus I imported the "Giant Rat" story in the HC into the TP. The contents are on OL and there's an Archive.org copy of the TP; if anyone knows which of the contents are genre or were written by authors above-the-threshold they may want to flesh the records out, but be aware that 1 story, R. Lupoff's "The Adventure of the Boulevard Assassin", was reprinted in his collection Claremont Tales II as "The Adventures of the Boulevard Assassin" so a variant will be needed; unlike the few other non-genre stories in that collection nobody entered a note saying where it originally came from even though it says so on the copyright page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:25, 1 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Introduction Title Question ==<br />
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An editor submitted [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5626362 this edit] changing the titles of the two introductions in {{P|602865|this publication}}. For each introduction, there is the word Introduction in a large font over an author credit (e.g. "by China Miéville") in a significantly smaller font. Each essay is also signed with the author's name at the end of the text. I had originally considered the byline to be a simple author credit and thus titled each essay simply "Introduction (The Left Hand of Darkness)". However, the signature at the end gives me pause. I think I still agree with my original title, but I see how it could be interpreted differently. Also if we include the byline as part of the title, should we still disambiguate. What do other folks think? --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:00, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I consider the byline to be just an author credit as well. We already have the author in the author field, adding “by author” to the title feels like an overkill. If we decide to keep it in the title, it still needs disambiguation IMO - it is as generic as Introduction on the author’s page after all. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:37, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::If I may explain how I arrived at the proposed titles. Usually there is only one novel introduction and where that is the case, it is simply titled "Introduction" and may or may not be signed. Here, we have two introductions (the Miéville one being added for this Masterworks II edition). To make it clear to readers whose introduction each is, the publishers have extended the title to include the author's name (probably for the first time) and, for our purposes, have created a variant title. In the notes I have tried to make it clear that the title is as it appears above the work (as the titling rules require) and not just a whim on my part. That we also have the author in the author field I consider as just a system function. I added the disambiguation for the purposes of the author's page, as noted above. Hope that helps. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:16, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: I still do not think we should add it as part of the title - we never add the author name to the title unless it is incorporated cleanly and a byline is not an incorporation for me. I understand how you came up with the titles but I just do not think that we should be doing that. Two introductions or an introduction and a foreword are essentially the same thing from our perspective - but you are proposing we handle one of these differently from the other because they happen to both be called introductions. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:55, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::I agree with Annie. It's not part of the title. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:38, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Thanks for those answers, but I'm left unclear as to what you mean by "unless it is incorporated cleanly and a byline is not an incorporation". I think I get the meaning but can you expand on that a little. Does it follow that if the author's name appears above the essay it should always be treated as a byline and therefore ignored? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:23, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::: Unless it is part of the title organically, the author name does not get added to the title regardless of where it is on the page - below, above, in between the two lines of a title, led or not led by “by”. Otherwise as most title pages out there have the author name, one can take your argument to the extreme and make a case that we always add the author name to the title of stories, books, essays and so on because it is on the page after all; your case is not different from that really even if you are restricting it to a limited usecase in your mind - there is no reason to mad an exception here. So “Isaac Asimov Presents” keeps the name as part of the title because it cannot be separated. Or “Neil Gaiman Talks About Things”. Similarly to how we do not keep a series title inside of a title for example. We are not ignoring it - we just have a different place for it in our record so we use that. Just like we do with series names. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 00:26, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::Thanks for taking the time to explain that clearly. As I couldn't find anything in the help pages, it's been nagging at me :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:46, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== F. Cantor ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?26927; People here have been working on Silverberg's anthology Mirror of Infinity, cover artist Fred(erick) Cantor only has credits for that and The Exorcist, cover image of which has been used countless times on later editions, but he also has 1 interior credit for a cover of John Farris novel All Heads Turn... but there's no cover credit on any edition on ISFDB. So which cover did he do? Also, there's 1 credit here for Frederik Cantor for a reprint edition of Exorcist that he didn't do the cover for, it being just an image from the film, so that is something to look into, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:04, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Conan ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/conan00howa; https://archive.org/details/conan0000unse; One very old Archive.org upload, one fairly new, I'm not sure about the Ace edition because there's no updated date on the copyright page, whether it's the '77 or '79 (with illustrations) edition, neither is PV so if anyone wants to do something with them, also that British edition's notes are unclear, long-gone PV says reprinted 1977 but wrote reprint line from copyright page below that so I don't know if they had an edition that actually said 1977 because the Archive.org copy doesn't, I don't know the history of these endless Conan reprints at all but I know others here do so they may want to do something with this, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:38, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Brian Williams ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?8790; I just made an edit adding link to copy of Vampirium, one of those Lone Wolf game books, and the cover artist, Brian Williams, was also the interior artist but that wasn't entered so I did it. Now the problem is he died in 2010 but there are multiple entries on ISFDB after that date; I believe this guy, https://fantlab.ru/autor13980, wrote those series novels while the deceased was the artist, but the problem with that is the last 3 interior art credits are for books written by the novelist, implying that he illustrated some of his own books. Then there's the question of which Williams wrote the 2 70's letters and the 5 short stories spanning early 80's to 2013. Who knows which one did those 3 computer magazine stories but "Tie Your Own Rope" was done for a White Wolf anthology, a well-known gaming company, so maybe the artist wrote a story now and then, but then the last story was written for a disturbing sex anthology that I remember writing about on these boards once before, and I can't picture either one of these Williams writing a story for that, especially since the artist died a few years before it was published, so that's possibly a third Williams. There's also the fact that while the first 4 cover credits are gaming-related as is Vampirium, 2 others are for gay-themed anthologies and the last is for an obscure American horror magazine. Note also another Brian Williams, a comic artist, is on ISFDB being interviewed (possibly the same guy as the above artist except the interview is dated more than 6 months after he died; different guy or long lag time before publication?) and there's another Williams who wrote a dragon fantasy novel in 2018 from a UK self-publisher so not likely to be by the above novelist whose books are from major publishers. So untangling is needed if anyone is interested. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5627339; This one was missing both cover artist and interior artist so whenever the artist is separated into his own record I have a feeling there'll be a lot more books than the 2 I edited that are missing his credits here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:29, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Lost story, no title, no author, only rough memories of the plot ==<br />
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This is set WAY WAY WAY far in the future. The location of Earth has been lost in time. Horses and dogs are coequals with humans in society. A horse approaches a young and wealthy woman and offers her something amazing if she'll help him find and restore old Earth. To cut it short, he lets her have a horseback ride. She falls in love with it, and becomes INSANELY wealthy, sends out scout ships, finds Earth, terraforms it, and hands it over to the non-human members of society. The horse gives her another ride and they all live happily ever after.<br />
Sorry to not be more eloquent. I just finished a 12 hour shift at the ambulance company's dispatch center where I work.<br />
Thank you very very much.<br />
Sak1776 <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Sak1776|Sak1776]] ([[User talk:Sak1776|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sak1776|contribs]]) .</small> 20:39, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:If no one can answer your question here, we have a few other sites that can help listed at [[ISFDB:FAQ#I need help finding a book]]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:00, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I checked around with a few people and they suggested it was "[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?63400 Dreams Done Green]" by Alan Dean Foster. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:25, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yes this is definitely "Dream Done Dream" by Foster.[[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] ([[User talk:Zybahn|talk]]) 23:14, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Nordon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=leisure+b&type=Publisher; Many of the books on ISFDB as by Leisure Books are actually by Leisure Books / Dorchester Publishing so when I come across them I fix them, but for some reason 5 books on ISFDB are under the Nordon name. The problem with that is all the early Leisure books before they hooked up with Dorchester in the mid-80's say published by Nordon on the copyright page (93 of them were found by doing a text search on Archive.org); the Dorchester name is used here to differ the later books from the earlier ones so there's no need to do that for the early books. Would there be any objection to me changing those 5 to just Leisure Books so they merge with all the hundreds of other books by that publisher here? Only 1 of the Nordon books is PV (by MLB). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:30, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wasteworld ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?19205; 4th one's a chapbook but 1st one has same page count so shouldn't it be so, too? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:11, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Expired Link ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34362 This publication] has a note regarding the cover art followed by a link. The flickr page being directed to no longer exists--in such a case can I simply remove the note or is it customary to notify a PVer? I do not know which one had left the note. Thanks. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] ([[User talk:Zybahn|talk]]) 22:18, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It's Mavmaramis's link - I've notified him. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:22, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Before deleting a link, see if you can find if archived in the web archive. If not, then all we can do is to delete it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:07, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::https://www.flickr.com/photos/markfullerdillon/52607643318; Is that what you're looking for? Also, if you replace old link can you also correct the 2 misspelled words in the note? I've done so for many of this editor's notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:11, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: Thanks to all. I've made the corrections & submitted. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] ([[User talk:Zybahn|talk]]) 21:55, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Throat Sprockets ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?8169; A copy of the rare American edition was just uploaded so I added a link and a bunch of other stuff, including correcting the month which was off by a couple of months, but the 2 even rarer British editions seem to have disappeared almost entirely, with no eBay copies I can see or any online scans of anything besides the cover. The one review I could find, https://criminolly.com/2021/10/27/throat-sprockets-review/, has a different page count than either edition and a month that neither have. So if anyone owns a copy or can actually do better than me and find online info it would help. Poor Mr. Lucas lost his wife recently so it would be nice to flesh out and correct his info here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:02, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Leviathan Awakes (excerpt) (sic) by James S. A. Correy (sic) ==<br />
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I stumbled across [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2231009 this] by chance the other day, with both [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1272911 the title] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?155601 author name] incorrect. It's strikes me that 2 errors is perhaps more likely to be down to data entry here than mistakes by the publisher, but it's from [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?345034 a 2011 pub] transient verified by an editor who has not been active for several years. Any thoughts on whether the appropriate varianting and note-adding is the best course of action, or instead to correct the title and editor fields?<br />
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FWIW, some cursory Googling threw up [https://isulibrary.isunet.edu/index.php?lvl=notice_display&id=8781 a library entry] that indicates the correct title and author name was used. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 09:15, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:https://openlibrary.org/books/OL25033756M/Degrees_of_freedom; One of those OL-only non-preview things; search inside says Leviathan Wakes by James S. A. Corey. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:16, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks, I have now updated title and author name, and made a parent title for the real authors Franck and Abraham. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:26, 12 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== E. Borgese ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5623541; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=borgese&type=Name; Will my rejected edit be un-rejected if my fixing of her name in the original Brit edition is made a variant or variant is deleted or whatever it is that needs to be done? I'm confused. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:15, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:That won't fix the issue. The problem is that the add publication submission was made to add a publication to the title by Elizabeth (with a moderator note that you were adding it with the incorrect name). Your subsequent submission updated both the existing title and publication records to Elisabeth. I was not aware of your second submission until after I rejected the first, but it wouldn't have mattered. Changing the source record does not update any pending submissions (e.g. your rejected edit). Had you done these two submissions in the opposite order, and waiting until the name change was approved before submitting the add publication, you would have been fine. The other way you could have done it, was to submit your first edit as a new publication. Then, when both were approved, you could merge the title records. At this point you can submit a new Add Publication from the updated title record (Elisabeth). By the way, there is a second step that is still required for your change of the existing title record from Elizabeth to Elisabeth. Since you changed it to a variant name, you need to make the altered record into a variant of the canonical name. Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:56, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::But her real first name is spelled with an S, so that should be the parent name. There's nothing on ISFDB that was published as by "Elizabeth Mann Borgese". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:23, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Well, we currently have 11 title records that have been published as by [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?13609 Elizabeth Mann Borgese]. We have no concept of "real name", we only reflect how things have been published. The canonical name is the name by which the author is best known in the field. You'll note that her legal name, as Elisabeth, is reflected in the legal name field. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:57, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::They weren't really published as by Elizabeth in her collection, whoever entered the original Brit edition here (Chris J? He's first in edit history) incorrectly wrote her name that way and thus she's credited that way. Her American edition also says Elisabeth so it's not like they changed the spelling due to some British/American differences, it's just wrong. So her name needs to be changed to Elisabeth for all those stories and then when everything says Elisabeth my edit adding the American edition can be un-rejected, re-added, whatever. I just saw a full wraparound cover online so that'll be something extra to upload that wasn't in my rejected edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:10, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::There are two issues that you are talking about. First, you submitted an edit to add a new publication, but you submitted incorrectly. I don't think your edit could be unrejcted even if all instances of "Elizabeth Mann Borgese" were changed to "Elisabeth Mann Borgese" (i.e. the two authors are merged). Even that is impossible because there are publications where the author is credited as "Elizabeth Mann Borgese" (e.g. [https://archive.org/details/Fantasy_Science_Fiction_v017n01_1959-07_PDF/page/n67/mode/2up here]). Regardless, there is nothing that can be done to change the author's name in your rejected edit that you submitted as Elizabeth. Even if "Elizabeth Mann Borgese" was deleted from the database, your edit would re-add the name as a new author were it approved. I've mentioned above the best way to proceed. I noticed that you did not include the content in your rejected edit. The content from the other record cannot currently be imported because the title records have the incorrect name. There are two ways to bring these records into shape.<br />
:::::# You could edit the existing collection and change the author credit for those stories that appear only in that collection. You would also need to remove any stories that are published elsewhere from the collection, then re-add them with the correct credit. There is a further step in that variants need to be made, but I'll discuss that below when covering the second overall issue.<br />
:::::# Alternatively, you could manually add all the stories, with the correct credit, when you re-add the George Braziller publication. You could then remove all the stories from the MacGibbon & Kee publication and import the ones with the correct author credit from the other pub. Again variants will need to be made to finish the process.<br />
:::::The second issue is what name needs to be canonical for this author. Absent evidence to the contrary, I would assume that all other publications are correctly credited. That leaves us with 6 titles in 13 publications credited to Elizabeth. There are 10 titles appearing in 3 publications as Elisabeth. I'm not counting translations which are all variants anyway. You could argue that the canonical name be changed to Elisabeth, but I'd recommend proposing that in a separate thread. Also, would you be volunteering to do this work (it's many edits)? You would need to move all the author data from the current canonical record to the new one; Break all of the parent child author name relationships; Make all new alternate names variants of the new canonical name; Merge any titles with the new canonical name where the former parent name appeared in no publications, deleting the parent title relationship; Change the author credit of any titles with the former canonical name that appear in no publications to the new canonical name. Break any remaining parent child story relationships; Make any remaining titles by alternate name variants of the new canonical name. If you don't want change the canonical name and can't find someone else to do it, or the community decides to keep it as Elizabeth, you'll need to finish the above edits by making the new Elisabeth titles into variants of Elizabeth. Again, I hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:09, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::Dude, as I've mentioned somewhere on the message boards before, I was hit in the head a few times when I was a kid, many years ago, so I'm a little slow, and my mind has been rapidly deteriorating recently due to personal and external issues, which shows in the occasional misstep I've made here lately which is highly unusual for me, so I don't have a clue what it is you're asking me to do; you and others here seem to forget that I've said more than once that I'm a total amateur with no background in anything literary who just started doing this a few years ago to pass the time (which makes the fact that I have one of the largest number of non-moderator edits in the history of this site even more remarkable). I'm just about done doing this, anyway, for many reasons, and am mostly doing simple stuff these days, so I have a suggestion; you mentioned recently that you're still in contact with this Chris J, so maybe you can ask him if he's the one who entered the name wrong and, if so, why. If it was him, maybe you can convince him, now that I have brought the American edition to everyone's attention, to do whatever it is you said above. I notice that the Archive.org copy was uploaded in September, 2015 and his first entry in the edit history was November, 2015, so the correct spelling of her name was available at the time. If nobody wants to do any of this, it won't bother me. I've done hundreds of edits since this one and can barely remember it, anyway. I'm sure, though, that the ones here who like to variant every name and title difference would want to see it entered; people who've searched for her on this site over the years may have come away disappointed because her name has been wrong for so many years. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:48, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::I'm not going to contact another editor on your behalf. Chris J's talk page is [[User talk:Chris J|here]]. However, there is no point in contacting Chris. None of the edits in the history added the content to the record. Even if we could determine who added the records incorrectly, what would be the point of contacting that person? They could have been working from a secondary source that was incorrect, but in the end, it doesn't matter. You've discovered an error in a record and you've fixed only part of that error. That's good, but the job isn't finished. The bare minimum to fix this record is:<br />
:::::::# Go to the {{T|1931892|title record}} where you changed the name and use the Make This Title a Variant tool to make it a variant of the canonical name. Use Option 2 and enter the canonical name, "Elizabeth Mann Borgese" and click Create New Parent Title.<br />
:::::::# Go to the {{P|547020|publication record}} and use the Edit This Pub tool to edit the record. For each story where the edit fields are not disabled, change the author's name to "Elisabeth Mann Borgese". For all other stories, add "delete" to the page number, use the add title button to add a new row and copy the title of each story to the new title field, enter "Elisabeth Mann Borgese" as the author for the new author field. You can enter this edit at the same time as the one above.<br />
:::::::# After the above edit is approved, go back to the {{P|547020|publication record}} and use the Remove Titles From This Pub tool. Mark each title with delete in the page number.<br />
:::::::# For each title that does not have a parent title (you can find them all at {{A|Elisabeth Mann Borgese}} after the above edits are approved). You need to go to each title and use the Make This Title a Variant tool to link the title to the appropriate parent. At this point, the parent titles should exist. Find each matching title at {{A|Elizabeth Mann Borgese}}. Take note of the Title Record # at the top right of the screen. In the make variant screen, use Option 1 and enter the title number to link the titles.<br />
:::::::Making variants when an alternate name is used is not something that is optional or done only when people like to. It's a data integrity issue that needs to be resolved. As it stands, this record will show up on several cleanup reports until it is fixed. Also, there is no problem in searching by an alternate name. If set up correctly, each alternate name has a link to the canonical name, as does all 4 of Ms. Mann Borgese's alternate names. By the way, when you being one of these multi-step edits, it is generally a good idea to let the moderator know that you intend the next steps by adding it to the moderator note. I've tried to give you complete instructions, but if you have any questions when attempting this, please reach out either here or on the [[ISFDB:Help desk|Help desk]]. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:31, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Number Line ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/nailedbyheart0000clar_p5s1; What printing is this? It's 3rd, isn't it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:49, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Yes, the 3rd - the lowest number on the list gives you the current printing (with a special note for some number lines that contain a year as well as a printing number). That specific configuration of numbers is a pretty common one. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:48, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK. I asked because of this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5625372, where either I goofed or there was some hiccup when I entered it, so I made a new edit with the right cover, but the 2002 edition on Archive.org matches the ISFDB note which says "third printing" yet the mod who rejected this said 4th printing, which I had a feeling was wrong. I'll now add a link in that record. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:53, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Heaven Maker ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1518099; I recently added the 2014 TP and a link to the Archive.org copy which was recently uploaded; why page count is different between all 3 editions is unknown, someone entered them for the HC and they seem accurate, final essay starting on p. 249 and page count being 254, while TP is 20 pages longer but doesn't seem to have any extra material, but more importantly is while importing HC contents into TP and adding page numbers I now notice that the foreword, which is actually titled Forward in the book, is by Janis McKay, who is actually Janis Mackay per signature, an author with several credits on ISFDB, while the intro is actually by Herbertson. So if anyone can get a hold of the original HC edition and verify it's the same then those can be corrected. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:30, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Magnus Fin ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?30867; Print editions are all same price, one says TP, one PB, and one "unknown", in case anyone knows which they should all really be. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:33, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
: They are all the standard B format in UK (a few mm under 20 cm) - which is a tp in our DB. I've fixed the 2 that were added in error. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:51, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Tenth Time (A)round ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?74425; I randomly came across that Venture issue on Archive.org, a Brit magazine that apparently reprinted F&SF with added illustrations, if I'm understanding it correctly, and I immediately noticed a problem; McIntosh's story, which ISFDB claims is only "Tenth Time Round" in Venture, is the same in F&SF, too; it's not "Tenth Time Around". There are some active PV so I'm not touching it but this seems like a fairly big change so I thought I'd mention it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:36, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I updated the title in {{P|61294|The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction, May 1959}} based on the [https://archive.org/details/Fantasy_Science_Fiction_v016n05_1959-05_PDF/page/n3/mode/2up Internet Archive scan] and notified the active verifiers. I will also expand {{P|351769|Venture Science Fiction, October 1964}} based on its Internet Archive scan. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:34, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::https://archive.org/search?query=%22venture+british+ed%22&sort=-addeddate; I think these are all the issues available, in case anything else needs fixing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:54, 8 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Thank you. Searching for Venture Science Fiction only returned the one hit and Venture too many. I appreciate you finding a good search term. I will add the links to the magazines and make updates as needed. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:08, 8 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pranks ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?17626; I've been trying to fix publisher Leisure as many of their old books here as by Leisure Books were wrongly entered here with Dorchester in the publisher; with this book I have a vague memory of working on it last year, trying to get all the cover images to match price/ID entered here, and after adding an Archive.org link to the 3rd one I noticed the 1st one, entered by ChrisJ in 2014, is the same as the 3rd one (which I entered last year) except he used the original edition's 1983 date instead of the reprint's 8/89 date which is on the copyright page, so I think the 1st one can be deleted. The 2nd one has a broken image and a Not Found message when it's clicked; I see that I made an edit some time ago for that, too, but obviously if the image was broken back then it would have been noticed. So does anyone have any ideas about that? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:58, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Plus qu'humains ==<br />
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https://openlibrary.org/works/OL19267614W/Les_plus_qu%27humains?edition=key%3A/books/OL26778119M; Full cover, which none of the images on ISFDB show, with a date that's earlier than other editions with that cover, so French-fluent editor may want to add it, re-date the cover art, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:45, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Robert Wise ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?4333; Cover of J. Rovin's UFO Movie Quiz Book says intro by Wise (who was a famous director) so I added that here and put (director) after his name to differ him from the Wise on ISFDB who wrote Christian novels; interview is also by the other Wise, https://www.ebay.com/itm/371173025862, as the seller mentions in his description. Now that it's an interview about films should it be deleted or should (director) be added to that, too? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:52, 7 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:My edit was finally approved; how about that interview? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:48, 20 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ad Astra's analysis of our data ==<br />
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In "James Gunn's Ad Astra" #12 (the current issue), René Walling writes an essay on "Report: Books, Creators and Series, 1800-2018", in which he does a statistical analysis of books published in the genre during the specified period. He analyzes 168,012 genre books, of which 162,140 come from isfdb, and another 5,872 come from "The Locus Index to Science Fiction" and the "SFBooklist". He focuses his attention on (1) Number of books and creators; (2) Number of books published by an author; and (3) Number of series published. And, of course, how these numbers vary over time. If you're interested, the article is online at https://www.adastrasf.com/report-books-creators-and-series-1800-2018/. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] ([[User talk:Chavey|talk]]) 12:47, 7 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Of course there are lots of question about the data he generated, e.g. Did he count translations as different books? Did he use our non-genre flag? Did he correctly process our "variants" of a title? etc. Nevertheless, it may still be slightly interesting to some. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] ([[User talk:Chavey|talk]]) 12:55, 7 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Curious. Comparing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/stats.cgi?8 Percent of Titles in Series by Year] generated by our weekly reports and the "ISFDB" column in [https://www.adastrasf.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Issue-12-Table_6.png Table 6: Percent of books in a series per year, 1891-2018], I see that the numbers are somewhat different. It makes sense since we count "novels" and "short fiction" separately while René Walling apparently consolidated everything that he considered "books":<br />
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::* Novels, chapbooks, collections, anthologies and nonfiction books related to the genres of fantasy, horror and science fiction, i.e. found in one of the above mentioned lists, were all included.<br />
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:: Moreover, our chapbook records do not have "series" information, which will inevitably affect the stats. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:03, 7 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Doubleday and The Crime Club ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=crime+club&type=Publisher; I did an edit for the Gores/Pronzini Tricks and Treats anthology and made Doubleday into Crime Club / Doubleday, but ISFDB has a jumble of different ways that people added the publisher, with the Crime Club / Doubleday one also having Doubleday Crime Club as a pub. series with many more books than the publisher has, some of which are from the Doran era which has its own separate entry here, Crime Club / Doubleday Doran, while I think none of the ones as by Doubleday / Crime Club make sense because Doubleday was the publisher. So if anyone wants to take a look at this some merging/standardization would probably help. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:28, 8 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Touchstone Awards for Individual Poems ==<br />
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Hi,<br />
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Joshua Gage's speculative fiction poem, "Penrose process . . ." has been long listed for the 2022 Touchstone Awards for Individual Poems by The Haiku Foundation. <br />
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I would like to have this award added to those supported by the ISFDB software, as the award does recognize poetry in the speculative fiction genre.<br />
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The Haiku Foundation, as part of its mission to expand possibilities for English-language haiku, created the Touchstone Awards Series in 2010 for individual haiku and senryu (The Touchstone Award for Individual Poems) and books (The Touchstone Distinguished Books Award). In 2022, the Touchstone Award for Individual Haibun was added to recognize individual haibun.<br />
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All awards seek to reward excellence and innovation each calendar year. Results are determined through a year-long nomination and selection process and are released the following year on April 17, International Haiku Poetry Day. Award recipients are selected by independent panels comprised of authorities in the field.<br />
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https://thehaikufoundation.org/touchstone-poem-awards/<br />
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https://thehaikufoundation.org/2022-touchstone-awards-for-individual-poems-long-list/<br />
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Thank you. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:SillyWilly|SillyWilly]] ([[User talk:SillyWilly|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SillyWilly|contribs]]) .</small><br />
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: Thanks for bringing this award to other editors' attention. It appears to be legitimate and I see no reason not to create an Award Type record for it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:10, 10 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Utopia Awards ==<br />
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Hi,<br />
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Several ISFDB titles have been nominated (or won) the inaugural 2022 Utopia Awards. Considering their website, it appears to be legitimate.<br />
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https://www.android-press.com/2022-utopia-award-nominees<br />
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Would it be possible to add it to the database?<br />
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Thanks. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alittlebook|contribs]]) .</small> 09:52, 10 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I suggest waiting to see if they are awarded a second time. I can't find much about them outside of that one site. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:00, 10 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Richard Hill ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=richard+hil&type=Name; This falls under the category of "never assume anything". So I randomly found a copy of Squane's Journal #4 (1997) on eBay, a special Ramsey Campbell issue, and took the time to enter the extensive essays included, 1 of which was by a Richard Hill. Something seemed familiar about that name and, being fairly common, I checked to make sure there weren't others with that name here. It turns out that there's a Richard Hill from the USA who wrote a few SF stories in the early 70's, but he had 1 story that was dated many years after he died in 1999. Turns out that story belonged to Richard Hill (I), who wrote a few recent stories in horror publications. However, under this (I) was a 1980 anthology, Hot Air, which I entered in 2021, although I have very little recollection of doing so and apparently just did it so I could enter the original appearance of Ramsey Campbell's story "Out of Copyright" in this obscure British publication. Thinking I was clever, I added a (II) to the editor of Hot Air and also added it to the poem's author since that was written for an early 90's anthology, Now We Are Sick, edited by 2 Brits and so was almost certainly by the same Hill. However, after these edits were approved, I clicked on the Horror Zine bio under Hill (I) and discovered that, I think, the Hill who's written a few recent horror stories is the SAME GUY as the Brit Hill, since it mentions him being from Liverpool and he's obviously an older guy judging by his photo; there's also another bio I found, http://www.thehorrorzine.com/Fiction/June2012/Hill/RichardHill.html, which describes him as a widely published poet, and I notice that in the first bio there's a poem reproduced from who knows where; the title of it, Slick Jack Brady, is completely unknown to Google. So it seems a guy who edited an ultra-obscure mainstream Liverpool travelogue that's only remembered today because Campbell had a story in it decided after 30 years to suddenly write short stories in mostly American magazines (although his last story on ISFDB was in a Brit anthology). So I think I should change the 3 entries as (II) to (I) unless anyone can tell me that the recent Hill is a totally different guy who just happens to also come from Liverpool. Anyone? Hey, I just noticed something; 2 of the Hills have 1941 entered as their birth date. I assume the USA Hill was verified but I have a feeling the Brit Hill's date may be a mistake, although it's certainly possible that they both just had the same birth date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:20, 13 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Snow Fury ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?258899; [https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/BOcAAOSwwIxjMHRN/s-l1600.jpg]; Shouldn't the date be March? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:17, 14 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Yes. The verifier (who is no longer active) added the pub note stating March so I updated the pub date to match. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:36, 15 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Fekete ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=feket&type=Name; First name probably the same guy as Joe with Jr., Joe without Jr. wrote a story in 1965, could be the same guy or his dad. I noticed this when adding story links to stories in Gateway Magazine; most now have links although a few were dead or couldn't be found. Most of them are terrible, but that's besides the point. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:31, 14 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Russell Miller ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?21117; I added a link to an edition of Bare-Faced Messiah; the short story is by some lawyer, https://www.heroicfantasyquarterly.com/?p=1111, bio at bottom. I don't see anywhere online that mentions Miller stories in those other publications mentioned, 2 of which are genre and 2 of which sound like mainstream magazines. Differing needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:56, 14 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The two authors have been separated. I also updated the story with the link you provided. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:39, 15 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== FK Young ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?165423; The poem and first 2 stories are by some old pulp writer; the new guy is the subject of a recent post on Wormwoodiana. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:52, 17 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:They've been separated. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:17, 20 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Rare Ligotti Story ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5641814; Ligotti.net, according to an article I read, existed in several incarnations and the early ones are lost, but someone got parts of it from somewhere so, while trying to get a link for "Teeth" by Matt Cardin (his first story), the link to which just defaults to the modern Ligotti site and a "not found" page, I saw there were other stories listed, including a few from the man himself. 2 sounded familiar but "Ghost Stories for the Dead" didn't, and it turns out it's never been collected. It was reprinted in Crypt of Cthulhu in '89 but it turns out it's from '82. The index on philsp.com is wrong; E. M. Cioran is not a pseudonym of Ligotti but a real poet, and this article, https://www.ligotti.net/showthread.php?t=527&page=2, mentions his admiration and that he used a quote to introduce "Ghost Stories", which is probably why the index is confused. I mention all this in case anyone ever enters the missing issues of Grimoire here, only 1 and 4 currently, because as usual online info is not to be trusted. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5641848; The feoamante.com site, still online but dead, gave me a link to the old Ligotti site, when they were using a totally different URL, www.longshadows.com, so I've replaced the archived link since this one says 1999 while the previous one said 2019 (although the earliest links are May and October 1999 but when you click on them they refuse to go to those archived pages and instead go to November; spooky). Also, I found Cardin's story "Notes of a Mad Copyist"; it's also on the 2019 archived site but while the old site shows it just fine the new one is completely black and the text needs highlighting to read it; sadly, "Teeth" is missing on the old site, too, and Cardin revised many of his stories for his collections, so it would be good to read the original; if anyone can find it on some other old site I don't know about that would be great. I also discovered that Ligotti's story "Allen and Adelaide" is on ISFDB twice, the 1981 original and the 1989 Crypt of Cthulhu reprint, the difference being & vs. and, so I've made them variants. One I'm not sure about is "Three Scientists", https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2702155, which actually contains the first 3 titles here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360640, with their 1985 dates being because, according to online info, they originated in Songs of a Dead Dreamer, problem being the earliest edition on ISFDB is 1986 and no edition contains any of them. I also notice the first title was in a 1986 poetry best-of, so 1985 is likely correct, except it's actually from 1982, so this is a problem. How to variant the 3 titles to the original umbrella title is the question I have. Also, anyone who can further clean up Ligotti's info would be appreciated. Just now I found his poem "Envoi" on some obscure site and added a link. EDIT: I see that Cardin has several stories which are in his record twice, with one being spelled differently (Theater vs. Theater), so variants likely needed there. I also found a link to his recent huge collection To Rouse Leviathan, https://archive.bookfrom.net/build_in_search/?q=matt+cardin, on a site which probably shouldn't be linked to in his record so I'll just leave it here in case anyone just wants to read the stories. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2749745; 3 titles mentioned in note are also individual stories on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:33, 21 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Balefires ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?215571; 2009 PB on Archive.org, I added a link in a pending edit, I think 2008 PB is redundant and can be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:04, 21 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Duplicate deleted. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:16, 21 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Saxton Stories ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?124321; The variant for "Woe..." is correct, I checked, but "Heads Africa...", as confirmed from PV of Orbit edition where it first appeared, has no comma after Africa but it does in Saxton's collection; also, is it correct that "Gordon's Women" is dated '76, French date, but "Pollyanna Enzyme" is dated '86, collection date, and not '80, German date? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:04, 24 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Razar ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5644587; Bewildering Stories, which only has recent issues indexed here, has many stories in old issues that are here and while adding some links I saw a story, "Groomed", by Chris Bartholomew that jogged my memory. It's in this weird anthology but the problem is 2 of his stories were jumbled together so it's here as "Ante Up Groomed"; I also noticed some of his other stories don't have exactly the same titles as here. So if anyone can access the full issue a lot of fixes can be done, along with page numbers, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:31, 24 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Novelization for Unfilmed Screenplay? ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5638720 this submission]. The [[Template:TitleFields:Novelization|help template]] specifies that the novelization flag is for "novelization of a movie, TV show, game or other '''non-written work'''" (emphasis mine). I may be splitting hairs here, but it strikes me that this work is an adaptation of a screenplay (a written work which would be eligible itself were it published), rather than a novelization. Do we want to include this sort of thing in the novelization flag? --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:39, 25 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:If a film using the screenplay had been made, wouldn't this be a typical novelization? To my simple mind, the act of filming the screenplay has no bearing on the nature of novel. It seems to me novelization should be adaptation-as-a-novel of any work produced for delivery via a non-"reading" medium. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:14, 25 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Perhaps a rewording to something like "novelization '''of the screenplay or script''' of a movie, TV show, game, or other non-written work" (emphasis added to show the new wording). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:00, 25 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Don't replace the word '''movie'''. See [https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?197778 Luana] for a reason. The fact the movie was not filmed (or distributed or shown) seems irrelevant. I'm more in agreement with MartyD's approach, but why limit it to non-"reading"? A play has a script delivered via a non-"reading" medium - acting - so should novels produced from them should be novelizations? Play scripts have been published, though rarely. But do we allow for novelizations from short stories? or poems (Beowolf?)? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 16:30, 25 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I didn't replace the word "movie" in my suggested rewording, so I'm not sure what you mean. Also, I wouldn't call ''Luana'' a novelization since he just made up a story based on the poster and watching a movie in a language he didn't understand. That's not novelizing. That's making it up wholesale, with a little inspiration from visuals. It's a completely different story. <br />
:::As for play novelizations, I'd consider those covered under the "or other non-written work" part. Expanding a short story into a novel is not so much novelization as it is making up entirely new scenarios and plots based on the short content of the original story. Same with a poem. For me, a novelization is an adaptation of a similarly-lengthy (so not short stories or poems) visual medium such as television, movies, games, plays, and the like. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:11, 25 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::If it helps, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novelization Wikipedia] defines it as "a derivative novel that adapts the story of a work created for another medium, such as a film, TV series, stage play, comic book or video game." ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:15, 25 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: FWIW I tagged [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2885785 the Pat Cadigan adaptation of the William Gibson attempt at Alien 3], which seems to be a similar scenario to the edit in question here, as a novelization, and that edit was approved by Annie back in 2021 when I didn't have self mod privs. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 17:18, 25 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) One of the challenges here is that -- in most cases -- we don't know how much the "novelizer" relied on the written script/plot outline that the media work was based on. Chances are that the author watched/played the media work in question at least once, but it's also likely that the author was familiar the script/plot outline. It's entirely possible that some novels/stories which we list as "novelizations" and which say "Based on [media work]!" on the cover were primarily based on script/plot outlines as opposed to on actual media works. (I say this in part because that's how some novelizations read.)<br />
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Because of this uncertainty I would be inclined to use the "novelization" flag and then add a note explaining the gory details. Even if we don't use the flag, we'll want to add notes.<br />
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After reviewing the linked Help template I am also thinking that we could profitably clarify the text in other ways, but that's a separate issue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:25, 25 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I think the clarification should consider what ISFDB wants to consider 'novelization' to be, as opposed to relying on external definitions. Interestingly we have a Note saying that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?20417 Peter Pan] is a novelization of a play, but the Novelization flag is not set. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:22, 26 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: The flag is relatively new -- we used to use the contents field with specifically designed strings before and these were not set as often as the flags are now. I often find such obvious omissions... :) <br />
:: I think that if something claims to be a novelization, we put the flag up and add a note with all the details we know - until more evidence is found that makes that incorrect (then we change the note and explain why it is not a novelization). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:25, 26 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: This may be more of a Rules and Standards topic, but here are my thoughts:<br />
::::* A novelization must follow the same plot as the "media work" being novelized. If a work of written fiction is set in a media universe but has an original plot, it is not a novelization. This rule excludes original novels and stories set in media universes like Star Wars, Star Trek, Warcraft, etc.<br />
::::* A single work of written fiction which follows the plots of multiple TV episodes can be entered as a novelization if the plot is close enough to the original plots. Borderline cases are left to the editor's discretion provided the specific are explained in Notes.<br />
::::* If a script, a screenplay, a libretto or a plot outline (e.g. for a game) which was used to produce a "media work" is subsequently published in written form without alteration, it is ''not'' considered a novelization.<br />
::::* An expansion or amalgamation of pre-existing works of written fiction into another work of written fiction (e.g. fix-ups) is ''not'' considered a novelization.<br />
:::: [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:32, 26 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Portuguese Jedi ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?852871; I think this should be a variant of an English-language novel, right? Also, it's Kahn who wrote Star Wars novels, not Khan, so that might be wrong (and James Khan has a recent story in his record, so there may actually be a Khan totally unrelated to the Star Wars guy). This, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1394010, seems to have been done correctly. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:36, 26 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Varianted. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:17, 26 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Fire Worm ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?5223; I just added a link in a pending edit to the Grafton edition; it mentions "Jingling Geordie's Hole" on copyright page, a 1986 Interzone story that (I think) is used for one of the chapters and seems to be mentioned elsewhere in the novel. No edition on ISFDB mentions this fact, so should it be noted somewhere or should the story be imported? Also, and I have a vague memory of asking this before, but the e-reads edition says 1988, which is wrong because that company wasn't founded until 1999. It's 1 of 6 with a too-early date on ISFDB, none PV, so fixing shouldn't be a problem if anyone knows what dates they really should have. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:40, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It might be 1998-12-01, which would work okay. That's around the dawn of ebooks. Also, [https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=31329187634&searchurl=an%3Dwatson%2Bian%26sortby%3D17%26tn%3Dfire%2Bworm&cm_sp=snippet-_-srp1-_-title8 this listing] on Abebooks states the novel is based on the "Jingling Geordie's Hole" short story, so that's what the mention was likely referring to. The short was apparently expanded into the novel. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:10, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I've changed the year based on the assumption 1988 is just a typo. I added a note about it, too. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:13, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::https://openlibrary.org/works/OL3691729W/The_Fire_Worm?edition=key%3A/books/OL8007597M#editions-list; 2002 e-book and 9/2004 PB, so there's probably several releases for each book by the company. Also, I think the complete short story is in the novel, copyright page says the story "first appeared" in Interzone. This, https://archive.org/stream/interzone-26/Interzone26_djvu.txt, says "constructed around" the "originally self-contained" story, so someone more familiar than I with Watson's work would need to see if the story is in the novel complete, spread among the chapters, etc. Likely importing the story would be incorrect but certainly a note could be added mentioning the novel's based around the story. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:41, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== New SFWA "Infinity Award" category ==<br />
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https://file770.com/sfwas-inaugural-infinity-award-honoree-is-octavia-e-butler/<br />
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Looks to be the same sort of thing as the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_category.cgi?412+0 Grand Master Award]. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:37, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Cool. She's a great author. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 22:22, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: The official press release is [https://www.sfwa.org/2023/04/27/the-inaugural-infinity-award-honoree-octavia-e-butler/ here]. As near as I can tell, the first Infinity award will be presented at the 2023 "Annual Nebula Awards® Ceremony", but it will be separate from the Nebula award. Unlike the Bradbury award and the Norton award, the Infinity award is not mentioned on the [http://nebulas.sfwa.org/about-the-nebulas/nebula-rules/ Nebula Rules page]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 00:48, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: FWIW the Grand Master Award isn't listed on that rules page either. Looking at [https://nebulas.sfwa.org/award-year/2021/ their page for last year's awards], Grand Master, Solstice and Service to SFWA are all in a "Other Awards" list on the right, separate from the main "Nebula Awards" list.<br />
::: In passing, I note a couple of potential other issues that might need resolving:<br />
::: * Some of the category naming is inconsistent: the YA, dramatic and service awards have a person's name before them, but we don't have '''Damon Knight''' Grand Master Award or '''Kate Wilhelm''' Solstice Award. Looks like these were renamed after their inception - [SFE says] 2002 for Damon Knight and 2016 for Kate Wilhelm. I know from the likes of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?27 Campbell / Astounding] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?43 Tiptree / Otherwise] that the main award records try to capture name changes, I dunno if there are official rules and standards at the category level<br />
::: * [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?31 The Nebula note] says ''"Note that the "Andre Norton Award" and the "Ray Bradbury Award" are awarded at the same time, although they aren't strictly Nebulas"'', but this is contradicted by the SFWA rules page which references "The Andre Norton Nebula Award" and "The Ray Bradbury Nebula Award", and that on the 2021 results page, they are listed alongside the other Nebulas, rather than the "Other Awards" sidebar. I have a vague recollection that they might have become "proper" Nebulas - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebula_Award Wikipedia] says this happened in 2019.<br />
::: Anyone with more insight or opinion on these? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 07:04, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: I think we discussed the SFWA Grand Master Award at some point after its name was changed to "Damon Knight Memorial Grand Master Award". If memory serves, we considered renaming it to "Grand Master Award / Damon Knight Memorial Grand Master Award", but it felt awkward. Now that we have more experience with changing award names, I think expanding the award name would be a good idea.<br />
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:::: As to whether the Norton and Bradbury awards are technically Nebula categories, I have reviewed [https://daviddlevine.com/2019/04/i-am-now-officially-a-nebula-award-winner/ the 2019 blog post] that the Wikipedia article links to and I am still not sure I understand how it works. It would be best to find an official announcement before we start changing things.<br />
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:::: In the meantime, I have created a new [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?103 Award Type record], a new [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_category.cgi?1065+0 Award Category record] and a new [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?78337 Award record] for {{A|Octavia E. Butler}}. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:10, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Clint Smith ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5648349; SFE says it's not the same guy as the later horror writer; https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/smith_clint. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:02, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I sent a message to the SFE editors asking about that since their bio says to not confuse the Clint Smith they list with the one who did the Gholjaw collection, but they list the Ghouljaw collection in that same bio. In the meantime, I've added a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?362778 Clint Smith (I)] entry until we know more. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:08, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: The SFE entry has been fixed and I have added notes to the ISFDB record. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:12, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Carl (J.) Hoffman ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5648405; Here's a weird one. This rare book was uploaded recently so I made the above edit, checked afterwards for Carl J. Hoffman, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2144766, I think it's a mistake and should be this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?945236. Mistake by editor here or Italian editor in the Horror Story anthology? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:09, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Third Alternative #6 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?61651; I fixed a poem title ("Latest Things") and there's a story that's dated March here, there's 2 mentions in the zine of March, I propose all contents and issue itself be dated March. Yes or no? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:59, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:I think if you could find a scan of #5 and it had an "In March" section on the TOC page (as this one has "In July"), you could use March and cite that as the source of the date. Unfortunately, there's no source cited for the March date on "The Bee Keepers", so we can't tell if there was something ascribing a March date to this issue and how authoritative that source might be. Otherwise, the standard treatment for issues with timing specified by season is to use just the year, so we're stuck. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:42, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dom and Va ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5648943; ISBN trouble. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:19, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:That's what shows on the copyright page as well as the LOC entry, so that's what we go with. I added a couple additional notes based on the Archive.org copy that's linked there. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:56, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Flexi-Disc?!? ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5649045; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5649045; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5649045; Related to my mention here somewhere a while ago that magazines uploaded years ago on Archive.org aren't always complete, I took a look at these since there were only a few issues published. The first 2 had a few things fixed/added, but the 3rd is most interesting. According to front cover, contents, and intro something called a "flexi-disc" with music from The Bridge, an old Skipp & Spector horror novel that apparently was made into a film or something, was included in this issue. Now I'm certainly no youngster but I don't have a clue what that is; was it some pre-Internet music format or something? Was it like a CD? Anyway, the uploader, Sketch the Cow, who added a metric ton of old genre zines years ago, likely removed the disc but it seems to have screwed up the pages because there are several missing. Most alarming is the supposed JK Potter art for the Ray Bradbury poem, a little bit of which is on the contents page but nowhere to be seen in the zine itself. So I think the starting page entered here may be off for at least the poem, possibly others, too. Any chance someone owns a mint copy who's willing to unseal it and respond here? Also, there's always the possibility I missed a few other mistakes in these issues; there's also movie reviews and such that someone may think are worth entering, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:38, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Hi, Username!<br />
: Flexi disc is phonograph record made of thin, literally flexible :) piece of vinyl. <br />
: Those discs used as a means to include sound (speech or music) with printed magazines or sometimes books before CDs.<br />
: For an example, look at the popular Soviet literary and musical magazine [https://back-in-ussr.com/2021/02/sovetskiy-muzykalnyy-zhurnal-krugozor.html "Krugozor"] (the article is in Russian, but it should be clear from the photos). --[[User:Zlogorek|Zlogorek]] ([[User talk:Zlogorek|talk]]) 04:50, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks. I see that I've never left a message on your page in all the years you've been here, so welcome. This Bridge flexi-disc thing is bugging me because there's literally almost no mention of it online that I can find except on discogs.com and a random comment on Goodreads where a guy named "Tom" says "At least I have a flexi-disc of one song from the soundtrack". Highly unusual when every minute detail of almost everything is mentioned somewhere. Skipp and Spector were once 2 of the most popular horror authors around so you'd think this item would be hot stuff but no, nothing. The important thing, though, is finding a complete issue of Iniquities #3 so we can see exactly how the contents are. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:53, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Nina A. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?328172; These are both by Nina Allan. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:23, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I have fixed the Strange Horizon review, as that can be clearly seen to be correctly attributed on the SH webpage.<br />
: The story is a bit more of a pain, because it's in a PVed pub, and there are some other related issues. I'll message the editor in question. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 11:21, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jewish Fiction Award ==<br />
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The [https://jewishlibraries.org/jewish-fiction-award/ Jewish Fiction Award] has been given by the Association of Jewish Libraries to works with significant Jewish themes each year since 2018 (first year they were awarded). It looks like these are the types of awards:<br />
*Winner<br />
*Honor Book<br />
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This is a general fiction award for novels or collections of short fiction by a single author, with genre works winning or receiving honors on occasion. It doesn't appear to be a poll (I can't find details on exactly how the winner is decided each year), there's no fee to enter, works published only as ebooks are not eligible, reprints of previously-published work are not eligible, and the full guidelines are [https://jewishlibraries.org/fiction-award-submission-guidelines/ here]. Should we add it? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:45, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The organization behind the award has been [https://jewishlibraries.org/history/ around for generations] and they have given awards to SF works like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2993594 ''Atomic Anna'']. Looks eligible to me. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:03, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Hearing no objection, I have created a new [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?104 award type], two award categories and two award records. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:36, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Thanks! Those are the only two I could determine are genre. None of the others seemed like genre works. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:03, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Lovecraft Studies ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5650639; A dozen random issues of this magazine were uploaded on Archive.org in 2016 but today, while looking for something else, I stumbled on a single issue that was uploaded by a completely different person in 2021. Surprisingly, there was quite a bit that needed added/fixing; I tried my best, but I'm sure someone can improve on a few things after it's approved. Dirk B. entered it here in 2019 so he might want to look at it. Also, I made a follow-up edit merging "More Chain Lightning" by Lovecraft, keeping 1915 date and essay format. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:23, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mr. Murphy ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5651017; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5651022; There's a note by someone discussing Jim/James A. Moore's name in the anthology but it turns out Murphy's name was wrong here; however, in their novel he really was credited just as Kevin Murphy. There's also a story, "Awake", published in old British horror zine Peeping Tom, many 90's/early 2000's cover art credits (some for books by Moore and so very possibly by the same Murphy who wrote with him), an interview with a guy from the old MST3K show, and a (II) who wrote a letter to Analog in the late 70's. So when my edits are approved the Murphys need separating if anyone can figure out who's who. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:33, 1 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Tinmey ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=tinm&type=Name; Same person, probably. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:49, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Peter Tate ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?11147; Note in his first story says it's slightly different version of the second story. Should they be made variants? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:36, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Looking for 90s e-zine Cosmic Visions ==<br />
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Good afternoon. I am trying to find any information about the late 90s ezine 'Cosmic Visions' that was put out by John Fultz for several years. I spoke to the editor myself, and he said he had no records or copies remaining. Specificaly, I am trying to find the September '97 edition which included a story by Stanley C. Sargent called "Synopticon of Fear". Does anyone have a lead re. any collectors or archivists out there that may be able to point me in the right direction? Thank you! --[[User:MagusManders|MagusManders]] ([[User talk:MagusManders|talk]]) 15:24, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Was it published on a website? If so, do you know what the URL was? Was it published as an ebook? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:46, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::It was an ebook, distributed via PDF from cosmicvisions.com. The website went down in 1998, but there's some archived pages [https://web.archive.org/web/19970414113406/http://www.cosmicvisions.com/ here]. The editor told me that becase the copyrights were donated, each issue had an "expiration" date, but it wasn't clear to me if this meant he would stop distributing it, or if the files actually deleted themselves. And thanks for fixing my posting error. --[[User:MagusManders|MagusManders]] ([[User talk:MagusManders|talk]]) 15:59, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::https://web.archive.org/web/19970416090028/http://www.cosmicvisions.com/html/cvse.pdf; Only PDF in the archived pages as far as I can tell. None of the contents are on ISFDB. Whoopee. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:34, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::https://web.archive.org/web/20111119172143/http://www.stanleycsargent.com/bibliography.html; Looks like he had 5 stories in Cosmic Visions and an interview with Bruce Campbell, star of the Evil Dead movies (evidence of that seemingly nowhere online at present). So I think a lot more than the story you mentioned above are elusive; the only evidence of it I see is your comments on Reddit. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/note_search_results.cgi?OPERATOR=contains&NOTE_VALUE=cosmic+visions; famed author Brian A. Hopkins had a bunch of stories in the zine; non-famous author Sean Rodgers had at least one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:30, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Well, I'm working my way through the archived pages and trying to add what I can find. You can see the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?69784 issue grid here] for what I've entered so far. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:38, 3 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::It looks like a lot of big names were in this zine and it seemed to run for a long time. I keep finding random mentions in online bibliographies and such (even on LYSATOR, for God's sake), but I'd be happy if I could just find the Campbell interview. At least we now have that PDF linked here. Even the guy who ran the zine didn't seem to mention it; he probably forgot it was there. Websites in the nineties are like fossils now. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:52, 3 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Based on what I can find, it appears the magazine folded shortly after the January 1998 issue. I can't find anything in the archives about any issues beyond that one. So, it appears to have lasted about 1.5 years. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:17, 3 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::It looks like Robert Silverberg, Thomas Ligotti, Lin Carter, and Brian Lumley all contributed based on the entry on [http://www.lysator.liu.se/sf_archive/SF_resource_guide/sfrgc4.htm this page]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:31, 3 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I'm curious how you know "Synopticon of Fear" was in the September 1997 issue. I can't find that information anywhere, though I may not be searching for the right information. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:23, 3 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Ah, it's on the [https://web.archive.org/web/20111119172143/http://www.stanleycsargent.com/bibliography.html bibliography page archive] linked by Username, above. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:27, 3 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I think I've gotten the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?17678 Stanley C. Sargent] bibliography as far as I can with the current sources I've found. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:28, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Wow, thank you Nihonjoe and Username! You jumped on this faster than I could have imagined and did more than I could have myself! I am going to try to reach Robert M. Price to see if he has anything in his archives he's able to share, and I'll reach out to you if there's anything to be found. --[[User:MagusManders|MagusManders]] ([[User talk:MagusManders|talk]]) 14:22, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::You're welcome. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:01, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Atwood's Dancing Girls ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5653645; Nobody ever entered original Seal PB so I did from recently uploaded scan but got ISBN trouble. Only site in Google Search with the ISBN without the dashes is Open Library which of course links to Archive.org, but there's also 1 lonely site that has the ISBN with the dashes, https://leavesandpages.com/2012/07/03/review-dancing-girls-by-margaret-atwood/. So somebody out there has a copy with the same ISBN. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:00, 3 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Changing the checksum digit did not result in a valid ISBN. In these cases, we move the ISBN to the catalog field and make a note that it has an invalid ISBN in the pub notes. I have taken care of that. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:34, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Added another link to a copy and replaced cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:25, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_publisher&O_2=contains&TERM_2=seal&USE_3=author_canonical&O_3=contains&TERM_3=atwood&USE_4=pub_note&O_4=contains&TERM_4=isbn&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication]; Bluesman moved ISBN to ID like you did for one of his PV and left some notes in both PV about ISBN; apparently spines need to be seen to get the real ISBN. I just added the month to the 3rd printing using eBay and the ISBN on spine doesn't match that on copyright page, so Seal books were a mess, it seems. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:16, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Constable ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?532472; While adding a bunch of edits for Jonathan Aycliffe books I discovered a lot of the recent editions had wrong covers with somewhat different text. Constable & Robinson is the publisher for most on ISFDB but I also got a Corsair. Problem is most were actually published by the Constable imprint, with that publisher being on the title page and the copyright page mentioning it's an imprint of Constable & Robinson, but there's only a handful on ISFDB with imprint/publisher being entered correctly (I've fixed the few I've come across in my edits). However, Corsair is also an imprint of theirs and yet there are nearly 200 books on ISFDB by them but none as an imprint. That's a separate issue, but I'm only interested in this particular case where Constable is on the title page but copyright page now says it's an imprint of Little, Brown. There doesn't seem to be any combination of those on ISFDB so how should this imprint/publisher be entered? A text search on Archive.org revealed that the copyright text about Little, Brown for Aycliffe books only finds this one. There's several Little, Brown publishers on ISFDB, ISBN 1-4721 leads to several British ones. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:43, 4 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: From the 3 Constable anthologies I have print (*) pubs to hand for, it looks like something changed around 2014/5:<br />
: - [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?423965 Dozois' Best New SF 26] has "First published in the UK by Robinson, / an imprint of Constable & Robinson Ltd., 2013", and no mention of Little, Brown anywhere on the copyright page<br />
: - [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?573707 His Best New SF 29] by contrast has "First published in Great Britain in 2016 by Robinson"; there's no mention of Constable anywhere on the page, but down at the bottom it does have "Robinson / An imprint of Little, Brown Book Group". I note also that the address is the Hachette UK HQ at Carmelite House, whereas the previous 2013 book has Russell Square.<br />
: - [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?550958 The Mammoth Book of Kaiju] is also 2016 and has the same details as Best New SF 29.<br />
: (* I also have a bunch more of their anthologies in ebook that presumably have similar details, but as I'm led to believe that some people don't think there's any value in keeping records of them, I was disinclined to spend time digging them out and investigating further.)<br />
: Re. how these should be entered, I'll let someone more experienced speak to that, but my reading of [[Template:PublicationFields:Publisher]] is that whilst "Foo / Bar" may be preferable to "Foo" or "Bar", neither of the latter are intrinsically "incorrect"? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:59, 4 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK, thanks. Except for the sarcasm. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:07, 4 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Machen Merges ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?55418; Person who entered contents, J.D. Cowan (has their own record on ISFDB) didn't merge anything in the 2nd and 3rd volumes and a few things in the first may not be merged, either, from what I can tell. They seem to have generated a lot of messages on their page about not entering things properly but never answered any of them so it's pointless to leave a message there; if anyone wants to merge all of that I'm letting you know. Machen's stories were published under a mess of slightly different title variations so it probably won't be easy. Also, looking at his ISFDB page I see that stories jump from 1937 to 3 1987 Italian titles, a 2019 Italian title, and a 2022 Portuguese title; the 2019 story, Un frammento di vita, capitolo IV, is possibly the same as the last poem on his page, Un frammento di Vita, so that's another issue. Is it a story or a poem? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:57, 4 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Duplicates merged. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:50, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== FIRE ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5654147; Judging by edit history the title changed back and forth, with Stonecreek, I believe, entering the full title, but shouldn't all words be capitalized? ISFDB doesn't care how it's entered in the book, words should be capitalized, I seem to remember reading that somewhere? Also, Hand's ISFDB author image is the cover of this book; it would be nice if someone could find a good one to replace it with. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:51, 4 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dutch Tilly ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?542210; I have a few suggestions. There's a copy, https://archive.org/details/tillyroman0000pere, which is 111 pages, not 112, unless that last unnumbered page is in some way a part of the novel, in which case a note should be added about last page being unnumbered. Also, the subtitle Roman is not needed because it just means novel and those kinds of things aren't included in titles per ISFDB rules. Most importantly, this is some later edition judging by copyright page and 13-digit ISBN. By the way, there must be other genre-related books from this publisher, right? Because this is the only one on ISFDB. EDIT: I discovered something interesting while adding a link to the English-language edition; it says "a novel" on the cover but "the novel" on the title page because apparently it was originally an audio drama in 1986. So I don't know how exactly English translates to Dutch but if it's "the novel" then possibly that was meant to delineate between this print edition and the original spoken word. In which case subtitle "The Novel" should be added to the English and "Roman" left as is in the Dutch. If anyone cares about something so minor. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:11, 4 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bill Prosser ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/horrorshorrorsho0000unse/page/181/mode/1up; A rare British edition of one of Helen Hoke's thousand or so anthologies was just uploaded on Archive.org, I added a link and fixed the ISBN (which was incorrectly the same as the American ISBN) somebody entered from WorldCat, I think (I have a feeling a lot of stuff is wrong in these books considering how many different editors here entered them over the years and the insane mess of multiple printings, interior art being re-used between USA and British but often totally different cover art, etc.). However, in this case what I want to know is if there's a way to extract an image from the back flap, because there's actually a clear photo of Bill Prosser, who did interior art and British covers which are pretty awesome (sometimes re-used for USA, sometimes not). Date is 1978 but he looks like a dirty hippie who just crawled out of a commune in Haight-Ashbury or whatever the British equivalent of that was so I'm assuming this was an old photo that probably is in other British Hoke editions if anyone could actually find the damn things. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:47, 4 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:If you could update [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:Bill_Prosser.JPG this] page with the appropriate template variables, it should serve. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:08, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I'm a moron. I have no idea what that means so if you could explain further. Also, should I click on the image link and add it to his record in an edit? I think probably yes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:22, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::And I'm a maroon. I didn't know where or how to connect it up and this was the best I could do as it was just graphics. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 22:15, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::I have [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File%3ABill_Prosser.JPG&type=revision&diff=661373&oldid=661301 filled in] the license template. Each template page has the instructions for completing the template. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:37, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Masterless Swords ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5654953; Obscure NZ newspaper article has revealed the contents, the titles of which seem to be nowhere on the web. However, I'm assuming the first 2 should be marked non-genre after this is approved. The article doesn't explicitly state the 3rd story's title but it's implied; there's a copy on eBay which shows title page but not contents page, so if anyone here has a copy that could help with possibly identifying the cover artist, verifying the title, and determining story lengths (I'm guessing it's 3 novellas). EDIT: I thought of searching newspapers.com and got 1 hit in an English paper but sign-up is required so I searched Google, verbatim, and got nothing but searching non-verbatim got 1 hit, https://eresources.nlb.gov.sg/newspapers/digitised/issue/straitstimes19480422-1, which shows a little bit of a review on p. 9 which seems, from the text, like a different review than that above, so if anyone has a subscription or whatever then possibly this review may verify the 3rd story's title, which is the only genre one and the most important. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:18, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:This author is not above the threshold IMO so their non-genre content would not be eligible. While the newspaper review implies the title is the same as the collection title ("third story explains the title"), but it is not explicit. We need a better source for the title. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:21, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jack Red Bear ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5655023; I think the right thing is making original a variant of the more common name, right? If so, shouldn't the date of Strete title be 1977-10-00, date of his collection it appeared in under that name? Also, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=nocka&type=All+Titles, where Strete supposedly wasn't even co-credited in the original and apparently it was by Strete under an alternate title and then the original title in his collection. I'm passing the baton on that one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:56, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I varianted both stories to being by Bear and Strete. Due to how ISFDB works, if they were varianted to just Strete, they would disappear from the Bear page & we'd be left with an empty author page. It seems quite possible Bear was an alternate name for Strete so I added that to the {{A|Jack Red Bear}} author page, but without a source, it will have to remain speculation. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:12, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Selkie Questions ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Willem_H.#Signet_Selkie; I tried discussing things with this guy but he's giving me his usual attitude so I'm going to ask further questions on this board. So I see from edit history that back in my early days here I entered the exact HC date using a clear photo of a review copy slip that's on FantLab. Recently I entered a later printing of the Signet PB but things were messy because the map date said March due to somebody messing with the date long ago, although he claims it was in 2010 but I don't see that anywhere, I think he meant 2009. He fixed the map date so now it should obviously be imported into the HC since that's where it comes from. So do others here see, as I do, that the map is also on p. [6] of the HC like it is in the PB? PV of HC doesn't respond except by e-mail which I'm definitely not sending. He PV it in 2007, prehistoric days in terms of this site, so maybe people weren't entering things like maps back then. Also, if anyone thinks the page count really needs [6] added to it like this guy did for his PB PV they can always add it to the HC and my PB entry, you have my permission, although there's still the case of the mysterious 1990 12th printing entered, possibly, by Bluesman who's long-gone and also where printings 2, 4-11, and possibly more are and whether they all included the map. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:29, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:See [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?1351644 this submission] from April 2010, scroll down to Modified Regular Titles and you see the date change of the map to 1982-03-00. That was not messing with the date, but aligning it with the date of the hardcover edition, (1982-03-00 since [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?1241153 this october 2009 edit]. I pointed to the edit that changed the date to 1982-04-16 in May 2021. I also pointed to the helptext that explains why the pagenumber should be [6] for the first paperback printing. Is there anyone else who thinks this has anything to do with "attitude", or is this simply the same editor complaining whenever someone disagrees with anything he does? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 15:13, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::You also advised me that you skipped an edit I made for the HC of this book because I didn't leave a note on the PV's page even though it wasn't changing anything but just importing the map credit which either PV didn't think needed entering or maybe entering map info wasn't a thing here back in 2007, and whoever entered the map info in the PB forgot/didn't know or care to import it themselves (I see from edit history that the map was likely entered by Bluesman and APPROVED BY Mhhutchins, the same person who didn't enter it in the original HC that they PV, so why after approving it in the PB he didn't just import it himself to his own PV is a mystery that maybe you can ask him/her). Plus the fact that the PV has pretty much given up and doesn't respond to much of anything these days, requesting people send them an e-mail which I'm not going to do because the last thing I want is anyone on this site knowing my e-mail address. After our initial encounter a long time ago where you threw a fit because I told you I changed a few things in one of your PV and a few later unpleasant discussions we had you actually seemed to be responding professionally for a while to several of my messages without giving me much of a problem but I guess your meds ran out or something because you're back to your old self. You were the only active PV of the PB so I was trying to sort out the mess as I've done for thousands of other books but apparently your personal problems, whatever they are, are more important. Who cares, 50,000 edits done so far, losing 1 here or there doesn't bother me. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:10, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Please note that "your meds ran out or something" is a personal attack. They are not allowed as per [[ISFDB:Policy#Blocking_Policy]]. A warning has been left on [[User:Username]]'s Talk page as per the Policy. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:56, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== F&SF Sep/Oct 2022 ==<br />
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I noticed on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?20325 the F&SF series page] that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3103984 the Sep/Oct 2022 issue] isn't part of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2971585 the 2022 record]. I only have a vague understanding/recollection of how magazines work, so I'll let someone more familiar with them work out if this should really be like that, and if not, how it should be fixed. (FWIW that standalone issue is PVed, but by an editor who hasn't been around since the start of the year.) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 08:54, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I merged the two title records together. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:09, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks. (I'm currently in the middle of adding the remaining 100-odd Locus Award finalists, and didn't want to get sidetracked spending a bunch of time looking into that tangentially related issue.) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 10:05, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== A pricing anomaly ==<br />
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If we ever get into codifying multiple prices, here's an oddity to keep in mind - a book with two prices that are date dependent. <br />
"£19.99 until 31 December 1998" / "£24.99 from 1 January 1999". ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?949447 The Silmarillion]) ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 12:09, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== RVT ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=ray+van+tilb&type=Name; Very likely the same person, problem is 2 of the publications are scarce zines and the Dragon issue, which I checked on annarchive.com, says Raymond Van Tilburg. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:17, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:[https://efanzines.com/Argentus/Ag13.pdf This] explains (and lets us correct) the Tilberg [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?584053 here]. It's "Ray van Tilburg" on the cover and several mentions, but the artwork credit list below the TOC says "p.20 Ray van Tilberg". The artwork is credited on p. 20, however, with "Ray VanTilburg". The text associated with that begins "Ray Van Tilburg has a niche...". I am going to change it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 15:55, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::One follow-up on all of this: A little Googling reveals "VanTilburg" is correct, not "Van Tilburg". See the litany of [https://www.pinterest.com/aircool66/ Pinterest], [https://www.facebook.com/RayVanTilburgArt/ Facebook], [https://www.etsy.com/shop/ArtofRayVanTilburg Etsy], and his [https://offworlddesigns.com/ OffWorld Designs Art] site. Per ISFDB standard, spacing is normalized when recording the credit, so I am going to remove the space from the canonical name and note that an extra space is sometimes included in credits. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:36, 7 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Brown's Brightest Day ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=the+brightest+day&type=Fiction+Titles; While adding links to stories that were on the old House of Pain horror site I added a link to Eric S. Brown story "The Brightest Day" but according to ISFDB it was published in a 2002 issue of Black Petals as Eric Brown, which means that is lumped in with the well-known Eric Brown who wrote a lot of SF. So if anyone knows how to get that issue of Black Petals and verify what his name is then either it can be variant or merge. I suspect there are other stories on Eric Brown's page here that belong to Eric S. Brown. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:07, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Shumate Story ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Biomassbob#Time_To_Scare_Gramma; I suppose titles should be merged since they're the same but the lengths are totally different, so what do you suggest? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:27, 7 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Le James Bond ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?260470; French edition, https://archive.org/details/jamesbondchassea0000otfi, if anyone wants to enter it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:07, 7 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Leokum ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5657866; While doing this I saw an Arkady Leokum on Wikipedia with different birth/death dates but at the bottom of his credits is a book with Posnick (it's on Archive.org). Just thought that was weird. Maybe dad and son? Wiki mentions "pulp fiction" (doesn't list any, though) so maybe they're confusing Leonard with his dad, except that Wiki mentions a son but his name is Peter. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:13, 7 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Linton Christmas Story ==<br />
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http://www.philsp.com/homeville/FMI/n04/n04934.htm#A181; 2 separate titles that don't match the title here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2851147. EDIT: I made these 2 edits, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5658281, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5658282, but there's a problem with "The Veiled Portrait" because it was given the wrong name and the date doesn't match either of these, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1359048, so I think somebody with a copy of this book needs to correct info somebody entered here; it seems to be Toff, who judging by the few entries on their page also entered some other Valancourt anthologies, so a look at those may be needed, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:16, 7 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Asimov's Essays: The Hugo Winners ==<br />
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On Asimov's summary page we have the series [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?68833 Introductions for 'The Hugo Winners']. This excludes his other essays - afterwords, postscripts and appendices - and so I propose enabling their inclusion by renaming the existing series to "Asimov's Essays: The Hugo Winners". What do others think? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:48, 7 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: The existing series has only Asimov's essays, and is missing the introduction by [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?135920 Charles Sheffield]. Not including it suggests the title is wrong, but including it keeps it from being Asimov as your proposed title suggests. Also, prefixing it with "Asimov's Essays:" suggests that there are, or should be, other collections of his essays. Given how many he has written and how often they are reused, it may be difficult to categorize them. I think the series adds little value and don't care if it's changed, but I do think that a hierarchy of titles (e.g. "The Hugo Winners", "Essays for 'The Hugo Winners'") should be considered. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:24, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Author DJ Tyrer ==<br />
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I have been working on a number of publications involving DJ Tyrer, as an editor or a contributor. In the actual publications, he is always credited as DJ Tyrer not [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?153003 D. J. Tyrer]. Despite this, the ISFDB only showed separate initials. A quick check of the canonical record's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/author_history.cgi?153003 edit history] shows three merges. I contacted DJ and he confirms his first name is David-John, one name. He only goes by DJ. Separate initials are wrong. I intend to merge the two author records and all the appropriate title records. David-John Tyrer and David John Tyrer (one title each) will remain alternate names unless I can verify an error. I will add a note to the new canonical record so there will be no question in the future. He was also kind enough to review his summary bibliography and only found 4 errors, which I will correct. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:59, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5659503; There are at least a few other thehorrorzine.com Tyrer poetry pages currently online spanning several years where they printed several poems on each page, including "Afraid of the Dark" which has a 2021 date here but it's on a 2018 Horror Zine page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:15, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Sounds good to me. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:26, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Gruft ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?495335; While doing edits for F. Paul Wilson books I saw this; that looks like a Les Edwards cover, doesn't it? If so, someone who can ID it can also variant it to the original. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:00, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Lincoln Hunters Date ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?9373; I just added a link to the Rinehart 1st ed. and I think the dates are wrong because they're from the club ed. which usually comes later; anyone know original date? 3 PV of club ed., 2 long-gone and 1 with a very odd name has zip on their discussion page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:16, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Butterfly Revolution Questions ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?20540; Some more editions of Butler's books recently uploaded on Archive.org, I've been making some edits, I noticed someone (Don Erikson?) wrote a note about where they got cover artist from for the original American PB but didn't actually enter the artist. So if anyone has the book he got it from they may want to enter it. Also, the most recent American PB on ISFDB is a 20th printing but there's a 1984 19th printing uploaded with the same cover, so if anyone knows which edition was the first to use that cover they can fix the art date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:16, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bloch's Second Coming ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1222802; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?97532; Might be the same thing. This, https://socialistjazz.blogspot.com/2017/04/ffb-eighth-stage-of-fandom-by-robert.html, describes it as articles about Jesus; this, https://cthulhuwho1.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/2256_inventory_4.pdf, says it was in an obscure periodical, Osgledaren, foreign I'm guessing. So some obscure things here, Taboo, Eighth Stage of Fandom, and that periodical are not anywhere I can see, so help if you can. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:03, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Joan D. Vinge's Heaven Chronicles and Vernor Vinge's Zones of Thought - same series? ==<br />
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Per [https://www.tor.com/2023/05/10/five-authors-who-wrote-sequels-to-someone-elses-work/ a James Davis Nicoll piece published today on tor.com], ''"Finally, there is the curious matter of Joan D. Vinge’s 1978 [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1423 Outcasts of Heaven Belt], which shares a setting with Vernor Vinge’s [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?11587 Zones of Thought] stories... Vinge explained the genesis of her novel and the connection to the Zones in a 2008 letter to her readers. Until I read that letter, I had no idea there was a connection"'' and there's a link to [https://web.archive.org/web/20160303224912/http:/www.sff.net/people/jdvinge/letter_20081103.htm an archive.org copy of that letter] (which I've only skimmed over).<br />
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There are a fair number of PVs of both the Joan and Vernor Vinge novels, any thoughts on whether those series could/should be merged, one made a subseries of the other, just have linking series notes, etc? I don't have any personal opinion or insight on this, as the only one of them I've read was A Fire Upon the Deep, which I have to confess I DNFed a third of the way through... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 10:53, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The linked article says:<br />
:* ...the "Heaven Belt" stories are linked to the "Zones of Thought" series created and written by my former husband (and still friend), Vernor Vinge.<br />
: I would turn the two series into sub-series of a super-series. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:12, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks - I've created [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?69884 an unimaginatively named superseries] with some brief extracts from that letter, and a link to it. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:13, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== We Are All Legends ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5661090; My note is in addition to notes that other editors wrote for the other 2 editions on ISFDB. I assume ISFDB rules state that this should be a collection as opposed to a novel even though it's called a novel on the copyright page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:40, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Trek: The Lost Years ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5661789; James Van Hise is on title page regardless of what cover and Archive.org note writer says, so what's the procedure? Shouldn't it say James Van Hise (in error) and variant to Edward Gross? Assuming, of course, that Van Hise didn't actually write it. EDIT: Cover artist has an extensive record without their middle initial; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?133578. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:40, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== RWH ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?175902; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?58684; Someone added link to one of Hedge's poems years ago so I just added link to the other poem even though 1990s Nightscapes issues are somehow still online and not hard to find; however, I think this is a pseudonym for Ron Goulart because that essay (not short fiction as ISFDB calls it) from F&SF is clearly a fake bio. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5662212; I found another poem by "Hedge" hiding in that HPL issue. This page, http://www.epberglund.com/RGttCM/nightscapes/NS04/hplindex.htm, lists all the letters and other stuff that The FictionMags Index didn't list in case anyone thinks those need entering. The date is fishy, too, because it was published in October judging by the production dates but it's called "April-October". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:36, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Sargent Review ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?395035; Title is wrong, it's Lost Cities, note makes no sense with the dates vs. book date, non-genre series book with many other Lost Cities volumes, only here because of review, delete? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:04, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Book deleted. Review turned into an essay. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:06, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I just fixed a short story in Sargent's record, turning it into an essay; I think it was this one so mistake was made when entering, I guess. I also added a few more story and poem links and think that I've done pretty much all there is to be done with him for now, at least until someone uploads one of his hard-to-find books, which will probably open a can of worms because I see at least one problem with 2 of his stories probably being the same but one having a subtitle in his collection. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:40, 16 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Hitler Art ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5649674; Someone familiar with the foreign editions, tell us which cover Hoffmann really did. SFE, as so often before, has wrong info, but it was obviously wrong anyway because it's a tinted photo of Adolf H. who didn't come to power until long after Hoffmann died. I tried to explain that in my note but it didn't help. So when someone identifies which cover is his this can be un-rejected. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:53, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I see JLaTondre just updated the book with notes and mentioned the Hoffmann credit that's on the flap; however, this can't possibly be the Hoffmann on ISFDB because he died decades before Hitler came to power and so clearly isn't the artist here, especially since it's just a photo, anyway. So either book has wrong info or there's someone else with the same name who's responsible. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:07, 14 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::(edit conflict) SFE was correct. It is credited on the back flap of the book. The photograph is by Heinrich Hoffmann (1885–1957), Adolf Hitler's official photographer. I have disambiguated this Hoffmann from the other one. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:11, 14 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Investigations of Avram Davidson ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5663113; Fixed this up but there's another record, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?35403, which has an award nomination, so I think the award should probably be moved to the record I just edited and the other record deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:01, 12 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Fixed. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:02, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== John Stewart ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?27454; I just had author image approved and noticed that short story is likely not by the artist because he died several years earlier. There's also an alternate name for the story which was also an alternate name for a few interior pieces by the artist. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:32, 12 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: The publisher's website and the title verso of the publication containing the story agree the authors name is Jeff Stewart, not John Stewart. I'm hoping it's this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?131106 Jeff Stewart]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:52, 12 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== C. Armitage Harper ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5663571; Death date very different, mother's name slightly different, verification needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:14, 12 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== External ID template additional wording needed ==<br />
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In the Template:PublicationFields:ExternalIDs [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:ExternalIDs here], for the Audible-ASIN entry, could something like "If the Audible ASIN is an ISBN-10, convert the ISBN-10 value to ISBN-13 and place the ISBN-13 value in the ISBN field." be added after the sentence that reads "Also note that, unlike regular Amazon ASINs, we record Audible ASINs even when they match the ISBN-10."? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:30, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I think I must have put this in the wrong discussion group so I just copied this to Rules & Standards. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 06:54, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Harry O ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?273603; I randomly came across a non-fiction book by R. Matheson, Mediums Rare, that was never entered here but after doing so it said Harry O. Morris was a disambiguated name because of that 1 wrongly-entered cover credit; do I have permission to merge with this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1282130, since PV with wacky name never responds to any messages sent to them on their page? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:42, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I merged them. That was an obvious error (entering the cover illustrator & interior designer and labeling them with their roles). --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:47, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Crispino Cover ==<br />
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https://fantlab.ru/art9850; Says he's Italian but credits on ISFDB are for German books, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?244341; cover on FantLab is the same as this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?603133. Also, the note on FantLab about the artist (RIGHT-CLICK AND CLICK TRANSLATE TO ENGLISH), if I understand it correctly, says he's wrongly credited as D. Crispino in that book. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:33, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Martin H. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=martin+hof&type=Name; I think the 2 German artists are the same person. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:04, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:There is an English artist, a German artist, and a German essayist. If you question the credit on any of these, they all have active verifiers whom you can ask to double check. Otherwise, you would need a source that shows any of these are the same person in order to create an alternate name. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:56, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== John Craig ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?19264; None of those are by the guy who died before any of them were written/drawn, and likely none have anything to do with each other, although it's slightly possible the guy who wrote the stories wrote the essays, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:08, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Tipped-In ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?815229; Book is 1920, preface is 1930, this page, http://wormwoodiana.blogspot.com/2016/01/the-revels-of-orsera-query.html, says it was tipped into leftover copies of the 1920 edition, link someone provided here to Harvard copy doesn't seem to have the preface, this copy does, https://archive.org/details/b29826123, what do you suggest? Add Archive.org link and mention preface in notes? Clone edition? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:06, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I would make a second pub, 1930, for the one on Archive.org, with that dated pre-TOC preface in the contents as the differentiator (note it also has a "By the same author" list not seen in the other copy, and the "v" number on the first TOC page no longer aligns with the physical page count). The linked Harvard copy has the library's date stamp "Dec 6 1920", which pretty much guarantees it is an edition published before that date and can't possibly have a 1930 preface. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:51, 14 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== DW and the Genesis of the Daleks ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=dicks+daleks+pinnacle; According to edit history I added Archive.org link to Day last year although I have absolutely no recollection of doing so. However, the recently-uploaded Genesis is problematic; it says second printing, May 1982 with a $1.95 price but the only ISFDB edition with that price says 1-1981 and the 1982 edition is $2.50. So someone who knows the complex history of these Who books can add the link if they can decide which edition it belongs to. I assume it should be the 1981 because that has the right ISBN in which case the date would need changing, but then the 1982 would need a new date because it's a third printing. There's no note in 1983 that it's a fourth printing, either (and no price), although there is for the fifth and sixth printings. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:08, 14 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== French Dark Channel ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=garton+alliance; I've been doing a lot of Ray Garton edits and came across this in case anyone wants to enter a French edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:14, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ronald Fraser Art ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5666000; Unusual last name of artist, he's on ISFDB, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?373087, Desert title page photo online says E. while signature can't be found on Flower Phantoms cover but few online mentions use Eric; I also added a link to Fraser's Landscape With Figures and the artist there is also on ISFDB twice, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=lucchesi&type=Name, with 1 cover clearly signed E. and the other Edmund. So I mention these things in case after approval someone decides which names are parents and wants to variant the other ones. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:59, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Saga Press Dates ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?576157; I just did an edit adding Archive.org link to this; I don't often deal with such recent books so I'm not familiar with Saga but is it normal for their print books to have one date, in this case 0816, on the flap and another date, in this case November 2016, on the copyright page? One of the bios at the back says a book from one of the authors "will appear in August 2016". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:45, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== E. Gornall ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=gornall&type=Name; While adding some M. John Harrison edits I was going to add a link to Ice Monkey but it was already there via RTrace last year, but I noticed artist Eddie Gornall is also on ISFDB as Eddi; PV of that book, Jlassen (Jeremy Lassen?) is gone and never responded to any messages, copy on eBay shows everything except back flap where I assume cover credit is, and Archive.org copy of Ice Monkey is coverless. I can't get a handle online about what his real name was so if anyone knows they can variant one to the other, assuming they're really spelled differently. Being older fantasy books I assume some people on here have their own copies they can check. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:15, 16 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zombie Apocalypse ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?36612; I made a bunch of edits to a few of the anthologies; I'll just mention that they don't really say "Mammoth Book of" on US title pages, just on the cover, so there's really no variant titles. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:29, 16 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jagendorf ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5666413; "Demon and the Rabbi" was the only title I couldn't fix, appearing in one of Helen Hoke's anthologies (one of several by him in her books) as M. A., in his collection as Moritz A., and ISFDB saying it first appeared in 1968 somewhere under some unknown name; anthology says it comes from his collection Ghostly Folktales (not on ISFDB) but gives no date. So take a look at that after approval if you wish. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:36, 16 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Hoke Horrors ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5654666; I've made another edit simply adding the Archive.org link, but someone more versed than I in technical stuff can help explain what should be done with this. SBN is for Brits, ISBN is for Americans, why SBN gets no hits I have no idea but that's clearly the number on the copyright page. Why did Helen Hoke have to edit so MANY books and why did the American publishers change so much but not change other stuff and confuse everybody? A good assignment for someone with a lot of patience would be to go through her entire ISFDB list and double-check everything; they re-used British covers for American editions sometimes but other times they were completely different, both editions of each anthology would need to be seen side-by-side to verify if the Bill Prosser illustrations are the same between editions, British spelling of certain words in story titles that may or may not have been used for American titles, multiple printings of certain books of which very few have been entered here, etc. Someone keeps uploading ex-library copies on Archive.org but the titles of some of her books are so similar it's hard to keep track of them or remember if I added links or not. On a side note I discovered that at least a few of her books were part of a pub. series called Terrific Triples but that's only mentioned on their copyright pages; I have a couple of pending edits adding the series but hell if I can remember which ones they were; many more out there, it seems, some for her many non-genre books not on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:46, 17 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Brief server downtime at noon ==<br />
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The server will be down for maintenance between 12pm (noon) and 12:05pm server time (Eastern Daylight Time). [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:10, 17 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The server is back up. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:01, 17 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::If that was related to the many messages by Alvonruff lately, what is the hoped-for outcome of his behind-the-scenes work? Will it improve anything on our, the editors, end? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:12, 17 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: The downtime was unrelated to the project that Al is currently working on. It was simply to free up some disk space.<br />
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::: Al's work will update what's happening behind the scenes and -- eventually -- improve our multilingual support. For example, it will let our searches recognize that the Cyrillic letters "А" and "а" are the same for search purposes.<br />
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::: More generally, we need to update the underlying software that we are using. At this point it's so old that it's no longer supported by the vendor. It can cause a variety of security and compatibility issues. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:41, 17 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Quanta ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?54005; Chris J entered all issues on ISFDB but there are several missing; this page, https://web.archive.org/web/19990224223357/http://www.etext.org/Zines/Quanta/issues.html, seems to have all of them, in case Chris is still around and wants to finish them or someone else is interested. I noticed this because the serial by Vassilakos is missing several parts on ISFDB (it also says 17 parts but archived page ends at 16 so that's odd). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:16, 17 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:He's still around because he just made a ton of edits adding/fixing stuff. Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:25, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::All done.--[[User:Chris J|Chris J]] ([[User talk:Chris J|talk]]) 17:08, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pertwee's Whodunnit? ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/whodunnit0000radn; I came across this randomly, seems to be a murder mystery anthology but some of those titles (especially "A Curse on the Pharaoh's Rod", hee hee) sound like they could be genre. Anyway, a Who is on the cover so that may push it over the line. Older Brits here may have read this in their youth and remember details. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:24, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Merge Titles -- more error checking added ==<br />
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"Merge Titles" has been enhanced to perform additional checks before creating submissions. You can no longer create Merge Title submissions which would result in "circular" variants, i.e. variants whose parent record ID is itself. If you come across any issues, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:37, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Non-Genre Stories ==<br />
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After recently printing contents not available elsewhere (which is most of them) from the 1935 British anthology My Grimmest Nightmare at a local library I've finally started reading them and discovered that several are non-genre so I've been marking those and giving brief synopses. This is a common issue here with collections/anthologies both old and new; I think it would be helpful if editors who come across non-genre stories mark them and write a synopsis so people will know which are genre and which aren't. I also want to mention that this anthology is nuts. I read the rare A. Blackwood story long before the others and it was pretty creepy, as expected, but besides the several ghost stories there are a philosophical discussion of the afterlife with what seems to be an atheistic ending (probably raised a few eyebrows back then), a slice-of-life about a sad old guy in a top hat who gets hit by a bus, an account of 2 hikers lost in the mountains that seems like it strayed in from National Geographic, a shopkeeper who apparently gets punished because he didn't donate enough money to charity, and my favorite, a jungle tale of an explorer who encounters spiders, were-hyenas, and a giant half-spider/half-were-hyena which ends with what I think was meant to be a nasty joke about his bride-to-be's looks (no #MeToo in 1935). Least favorite so far? Probably the one about the guy who likes SOS messages on the radio and decides to visit some old guy looking for his long-lost son; the old guy's Irish maid is drawn so broadly I'm surprised she wasn't chewing on a potato when she answered the door. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:49, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Reginald-3 ==<br />
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I got a sudden urge to know what is entailed when someone makes a Reginald-3 verification, I think it's called. I know RTrace does a ton of them and I see a few others doing it occasionally, but where do you go to check that and what exactly is it? Maybe I'll try some. Are secondary verifications considered something important here or do people just do them because they want to? Does anyone find them useful? Are there any rare ones people have been looking for? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:08, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:When you're viewing a publication page, click on "Reginald-3" in the Secondary Verifications section and it will take you to [[Reference:Reginald3|this page]]. It's a big case-bound book that has tons of author, titles, awards, and such in it. It's a very useful thing to have , but only for works published between 1975-1991. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 00:09, 19 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?4975; Did it for Seth Pfefferle's 2 books since I entered 1 of them early last year. Is this something people have been doing since 2006 when public editing started here or is it recent? Because it seems weird that those books had never been verified before someone like me did them. Are there, like, tens of thousands of books still not verified or have most of them been done already? What's the criteria for not verifying something in that book? Is it known to have lots of mistakes? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:32, 19 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::It's generally considered reliable, but unless you have access to the book (Reginald-3) itself, you shouldn't be verifying anything with it. It's got around 1500 pages (if I'm remembering correctly), and it's always possible it's missed some books that were published in that period. However, for the books it does have, it's considered very accurate. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:26, 19 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::It's easy to verify with it because I'm using the Archive.org copy that I added a link to 6 months ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:46, 19 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Awesome! Have fun adding the verifications. I don't think those even require a moderator to approve them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:52, 19 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::Honestly, as soon as I added those 2 verifications I lost all interest. Half the "fun" of editing here, for me, is waiting for a mod to look at my edits and then decide whether to approve them (50,000 and counting, in the top half-dozen all-time for a non-mod/non-self-approver and the only one who still edits regularly except for "Fixer" which is a robot and doesn't really count), especially when they claim something was wrong when it actually wasn't and then think they can argue with me. If I'm lucky sometimes they even apologize when they find out they made a mistake. Doing Reginald seems entirely pointless if there's no approval needed. I only mention my adding the link so that others here who actually want to verify those ID know that the book is readily available. It seems to me that one of the computer geniuses who are on this site should have figured out a way by now to trawl the book and automatically add ID to all books that don't have them yet, but maybe it's not easy/possible to do. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:23, 19 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Adventures Of The Adventurers' Club ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5669128; https://searchworks.stanford.edu/view/9339400; I think the edition on ISFDB should really be paperback because of the cover and price; Stanford copy linked above is clearly hardcover and notice that it doesn't mention drawing on title page like Archive.org copy does. So what do you think? Change to PB and maybe clone a HC edition with Stanford link? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:44, 19 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Phenix ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5669692; Story seems never to have been reprinted in English but it was in a French gaming magazine for some reason, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?39139, https://www.amazon.com/Phenix-n45-magic-jeux-role/dp/2871535426, in case anyone wants to enter it. I'm guessing there's more translated stories in the other missing issues. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:19, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== French Potter ==<br />
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https://www.google.com/search?q=potter+scalehunter+ebay; I just added an Archive.org link to Scalehunter in a pending edit and I don't see that art so I don't know if it's in a limited edition or what but I noticed it's also here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?727762; French cover art should be a variant, I think. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:46, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== L. Ron Hubbard's Colon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?8224; I've been adding links to copies of this series including several that are only Open Library non-preview and I noticed that editors over the years entered the title randomly with it being almost evenly divided between commas after Future or not. So a standard should really be decided on and titles fixed so they all match, although I think going by ISFDB rules they should all have a colon after Future, right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:28, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Boom! Comics - Firefly/ Serenity ==<br />
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Is there anywhere a list of the stories Boom! Comics have produced for the Firefly/ Serenity series?<br />
The usual artist is Greg Pak. <br />
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The company's website is a mess and they don't seem to announce anything. {{Unsigned2|14:35, May 20, 2023|Femmefan1946}}<br />
:They're likely all listed over on [https://firefly.fandom.com/wiki/Firefly_(comic_series) the Firefly Database]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:27, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Canonical name Amir Zand ==<br />
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There is an canonical author [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?284398 Amir Zand (San)] but only one title is credited to him. 10 titles are credited to his alternate name Amir Zand. Wouldn't it be useful to change the canonical name? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 16:11, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Go ahead and make the switch. Please add his [https://amirzand.art/ website] to the new canonical name. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:24, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Done. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 08:16, 25 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 08:55, 25 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Next time, please do not use "'Make This Title a Variant' (breaking the relationship) and 'Delete This Tile (previous canonical) for titles only published under the previous alternate name. Use advanced search and then merge the two titles, paying attention to the radio buttons. Not only is this one edit instead of two, but will save the information from the previous canonical title record. Delete should always be your last option! [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:08, 25 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Fantasist Anthology ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5670646; This book, even though it has a PV, had a lot of stuff missing/entered wrong, so after approval please take another look to make sure I caught everything or didn't make a few mistakes myself. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:21, 21 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Since Don is no longer present, I will accept the edit and make some other updates based on the Internet Archive scan. But first, I'm going to point out the existing bad page number to Ahasuerus as it seems like the clean-up report should have caught that, but it is not listed. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:28, 21 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Rebecca M. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisheryear.cgi?40797+2012; I added image to Sparks; cover artist is obviously the same person for both books but spelled differently, Amazon previews don't reveal anything helpful, so if anyone knows a way to see how she's credited that can be fixed. Also, while looking for the publisher I saw there's another Earthbound, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?354536, which may or may not be the same, but there's a problem in that the book is called 3rd in a series but the first 2 on ISFDB were published years later by a different author. So that might be a mistake. EDIT: 1 of Mr. Lobe's books available and entered here by me, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5670781. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:57, 21 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Darker Places ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?66822; I'm sure there aren't many Matheson collections that don't have numbered contents here so I thought I'd found something special when I saw FantLab's page, https://fantlab.ru/edition117836, until I saw the note (RIGHT-CLICK to translate) which is kind of unclear. So if anyone has a copy maybe they can say what the numbers should be and enter them (unless someone understands what the FantLab writer was trying to say). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:18, 21 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Earthsea numbering ==<br />
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Gollancz are putting out a new hc of the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?39404 Tales from Earthsea] collection this week, and I noticed that a few places such as [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Tales-Earthsea-Fifth-Book/dp/1399602411 Amazon UK] and [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Tales-Earthsea-Fifth-Book/dp/1399602411 Gollancz] are listing it as "The Fifth Book of Earthsea". However, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?4220 the series page here] has this collection unnumbered, with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?21392 The Other Wind] as #5. In turn, Amazon UK and Waterstones have The Other Wind listed as book 6 of the series.<br />
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Now, I appreciate that the often crappy data that appears on retailer sites doesn't necessarily count for much when determining what gets recorded in ISFDB. However, I do see that the Gateway ebooks of these titles - not currently recorded here, although I'll try to rectify that shortly - do have "The Fifth/Sixth Book of Earthsea" as subtitles on their title pages, which perhaps lends more weight to that numbering scheme? <br />
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I've double checked my Orion UK tps of these, and neither has any such subtitle. I also have the UK ebook of the collected Vess illustrated edition, and whilst I haven't spotted anything that explicitly says either book is numbered 5 or 6, there's an afterword that states (my emphases): "Here at last, for the first time, is Earthsea, in English, '''all together in the right order'''. .... The six books of Earthsea ... and in England one publisher calls it a quartet, and '''another reversed the order of the fifth and sixth books as if it didn't matter.'''" This also makes me think that 5=Tales/6=Other Wind might be the more correct/author-approved numbering.<br />
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(FWIW, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthsea the Wikipedia page] doesn't number them; it does state "the fifth and last novel of the series, The Other Wind", but obviously that's qualified by "novel" rather than "book".) [[Template:TitleFields:SeriesNum]] doesn't indicate anything about collections being treated differently to novels when it comes to series numbering.<br />
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Despite owning duplicate copies of these, I've never actually read any of them, so I don't have a dog in this fight, but wondering if there might be consensus for a change? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 07:58, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I've read the first four novels so far only, so I can't comment on the contents of ''Tales from Earthsea'' and ''The Other Wind''. But I own the {{P|678370|German edition of the collected Vess illustrated edition}}, which contains an introduction by Le Guin, written by her in 2016 and which should be {{T|2437124|this one}} in the English edition. In this introduction, she's mentions the "six Earthsea volumes" and explains, how ''Tales from Earthsea'' and ''The Other Wind'' came into life. She stresses that ''Tales from Earthsea'', "the fifth book" (!) has been treated as marginal, but, according to her, is essential for the series. As a result I'd say you are correct: 5=Tales/6=Other Wind. That's also the order the works are printed in the illustrated edition. Jens [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] ([[User talk:Hitspacebar|talk]]) 15:04, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks - if I don't hear any objections, I'll do the 5/6 renumbering in a couple of days. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 13:14, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== BM ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5671406; https://www.amazon.com/Beastmaster-Myth-Richard-Knaak/dp/1439144176; I can just make out "51600" in archived copy's back cover barcode through the sticker but that Amazon page linked above has a much higher price but the same ISBN and look inside has the same number line, so if anyone knows if there were later printings or something let us know. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:31, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ayan(n)a Mathis ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=na+mathis&type=Name; I added a link to the Times supernatural issue and it is Ayana, but I can't get a clear idea of how Ayanna is credited or which is her real name because she's called both all over the web, plus a Christian website I came across congratulated her on getting married and changing her name from Ayanna Thomas. So does anyone know more about her? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:28, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I have absolutely zero knowledge of this author or their works, but the impression I get from Google results (and the photos next to the various results) is that there are 2 different people, with the single-n one being an author who's the most likely candidate to be the one of interest here, based on [https://www.ayanamathis.com/ author website] and [https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/155206/ayana-mathis/ publisher site]. The double-n one seems to be some sort of influencer/self help guru?<br />
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: The two titles associated with the double-n author name are from the same fairly recent PVed pub by Gzuckier, so I'll post on his page to look at this item. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:05, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I'm looking at the Times archive online, and it looks like I misentered the recent review, and it should be Ayana. I'll change it. Thanks for the alert. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 23:18, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ace Books / Ace Fantasy Books ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?18305; All 3 Ace editions are on Archive.org so I added links but while they all say "Ace Fantasy Books" on title page only 1 edition says that here. There's over a hundred here as by that name so I just thought it was odd; I wonder how many other books here as by "Ace Books" are actually by the longer name and whether it would matter to anyone to fix those; did they officially change their name to the shorter version at some point after 1986? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:43, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pyramids ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?697334; I was fixing a few Zebra Books from 1986 and on that should have had Kensington as part of the publisher; I got most of them except a few romance junk novels that were reprinted like a thousand times so I didn't even bother with those because I'm not even sure if they belong here. However, I was disturbed to discover afterwards that many of the old 70s-early 80s Zebra Books have Kensington as part of the publisher (?) I suspect I know who entered many of them so I will now start fixing those but the first one I looked at wasn't entered by that person but rather by Artisan, who I don't believe is around anymore. Not sure why it was accepted because the author is not above threshold in the slightest and this book is seventies paranormal "non-fiction" nonsense. So it should probably be deleted, but if not at least the regular date should be changed to March because editor mentioned that in their note but didn't actually make it so. EDIT: After further investigation I think, unlike Leisure Books and their later separate history with Dorchester, Zebra Books used Kensington even in their older books. So I think I've finished cleaning up (except for Death Screen, can't find info on that one) but this book still doesn't belong here, I believe. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:45, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Italian Valancourt Edition ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=blackburn+beastly-business&sort=-addeddate; Italian price on back cover and notice on last page about being printed in Italy in 2022; does this require a separate record here or can I just add the link to the current edition? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:50, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Witch Book ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5672915; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5672916; If anyone owns a copy or knows where one can be seen online most of the page numbers need entering and author/title verification is needed for most of the stories; also, I replaced the cover because new cover has the price sticker or whatever it is on the top corner but it's not a great image so if anyone can replace it with a better one with that sticker after my edits are approved that would be great. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:13, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Macbeth ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?582305; Macbeth link leads to B. Coville version published many years after J. Blackburn review. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:53, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I've asked a verifier of a pub containing the review if they would check. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:08, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I've re-pointed the review to the correct title. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:59, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Alex Ebel ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?25577; Short story isn't by the artist who died years before it was published but this person, https://sites.google.com/view/alexsebel. The archived story link seems missing, however, so it's possible story header says "Alex S. Ebel" since that's the name in his site's URL. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:02, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Author separated from artist. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:56, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bruce Campbell Biography ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5662375 this submission] to add what looks like a biography of the actor Bruce Campbell. I see that we have an earlier {{T|103703|biography}} already in the database, but it appears that it was added by virtue of being nominated for Stoker and IHG awards. My sense is that the new book would not be in our scope, but I wanted to put the question out to the community first. Thoughts? --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:57, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Out of scope I think. A biography of an author is arguably eligible (as it will talk about some of the books after all). This one seems to be one additional step removed from that. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:01, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Back in 2020 we [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive18#Eligibility_of_NONFICTION_about_non-written_SF clarified the "Rules of Acquisition"] as follows:<br />
::* ''Included'': Published non-fiction works ''about'' speculative fiction which can be plausibly linked to ''published'' (as defined above) speculative fiction. This rule allows the inclusion of secondary bibliographies, i.e. bibliographies of bibliographies, which are two steps removed from published speculative fiction. It also allows the inclusion of non-fiction works about shared cross-media universes like "Doctor Who" and "Star Wars", but only as long as there is a plausible connection to the universe's ''published'' component. Thus a book about "Star Trek physics" can be included (because it applies to all types of media including novels) while a book about Star Trek movie outtakes and bloopers should be excluded.<br />
:: Since Bruce Campbell is an actor with no published speculative fiction credits, I think his biographies should be out unless they trigger some other condition. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:18, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Groovy. I will cancel my edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:33, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Graveyard Reader ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?45152; I just added a link in an edit to the anthology of the same title and judging by ID it was published April or May, but story is October which is when it next appeared. So I think it should either have month changed to 00 to match the anthology or anthology month should be changed to 04 or 05 if anyone can pinpoint date and then story month changed to that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:53, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Fugue XXIX ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?869505; Same editor entered both TP, I think, but one could probably be deleted because it has same ISBN as HC and was likely a mistake that didn't get erased, although it has cover artist and correct (?) page count unlike TP with unique ISBN. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:28, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Deleted. Locus1 lists the format as "hc", but with the "tp" ISBN. This was the source of the original record. I added notes to the other pubs to clarify the discrepancy. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:48, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Onyeama ==<br />
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https://vaultofevil.proboards.com/thread/8116/dillibe-onyeama; https://openlibrary.org/search/authors?q=dillibe+onyeama; 3 novels pictured on Vault seem genre, other titles on OL possible, no copies of any book by him on Archive.org except one with the N word which likely isn't genre, so an author that somehow was never added here, anyone own any copies? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:09, 25 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== S. B. Divya != Divya Srinivasan ==<br />
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I don't believe [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?205470 the author/editor S. B. Divya aka Divya Breed] is the same person as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?262086 the artist Divya Srinivasan]. Their photos - [https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/childrens/childrens-authors/article/87011-q-a-with-divya-srinivasan.html PW interview] for the artist - don't look like the same person to me, and their respective sites (sbdivya.com and pupae.com) don't make any reference to the works of the other person. I can't see the edit history to know who to chase regarding why they were made as alternate names, maybe a moderator can take a look? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:56, 25 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: You want to talk with [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Dirk_P_Broer Dirk]. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 20:14, 25 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: PS: No moderator notes on this edit or on any of his other edits on both authors around the same time. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 20:18, 25 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks, have left a note on his page pointing here. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 08:33, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I agree, they are not the same person. One was born in India (the science fiction author) and the other was born and raised in the United States (the artist, per the PW article). Based on that, I've separated them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:29, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: According to Wikipedia they ARE the same person: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S._B._Divya#:~:text=S.%20B.%20Divya%20is%20the%20pen,%2C%20through%20April%208%2C%202022. "S. B. Divya is the pen name of Divya Srinivasan Breed"].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] ([[User talk:Dirk P Broer|talk]]) 17:02, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: But Divya Srinivasan and Divya Srinivasan Breed can possibly be different people? Do we have a connection that establishes them as the same one? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:09, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5675343; I made an edit with 3rd printing of Runtime, saw somewhere that obliquely mentioned eff-words.com, current site defaults to sbdivya.com so I added archived site which started nearly 10 years ago, it may offer old/new info removed from current site because there's nothing in archived bio about "My gender doesn’t conform to social standards" so other things may have been added/dropped over the years. There's a picture of her at the back of Runtime, also, with a short bio. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:20, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::: I noticed the different places of birth and appended to the notes in both records.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] ([[User talk:Dirk P Broer|talk]]) 18:36, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Doctor Who 'nonfiction' vs Nonfiction on 'Doctor Who' ==<br />
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Anyone know there are two separate series? [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?16381 The former] has well over a hundred entries (including a few subseries), [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?54805 the latter] just three titles.<br />
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The quotes around 'nonfiction' implied - to me at least - that it might be "in-universe" non-fiction like technical manuals, but it seems to me that it has just been used for anything that isn't conventional narrative fiction.<br />
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Any objections to moving everything from the smaller series into the bigger one, and removing the quotes around 'nonfiction'? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 17:19, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Looking at the history of the titles in the series, the smaller one (Nonfiction on 'Doctor Who') had been created and used by a single editor (Stonecreek) mostly moving the books from pre-existing other series (some of them later deleted, some of them still existing). You may want to ping him and see what he may have been thinking but considering that the edits are from years ago and he never bothered to do more (or to write ANY notes explaining what he was doing and what is to be used for what), that looks like something that should not have happened, especially without discussing with the community first. I think it is safe to move the 3 books back where they belong and delete the extra-series but ping him anyway in case he actually had a plan and a good explanation. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:38, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks for digging. I see from the edit histories of those three titles that there's also been "Doctor Who Reference Books" and "Doctor Who Non Fiction" in the past, so I'll wait for further feedback before making yet more changes. (Will also see if I can wrangle anything out of wiki search w.r.t. any prior discussion.) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:49, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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==Some new Japanese awards==<br />
There are a few new Japanese awards I think out to be included here, so I'll group them under one heading to make it easier than a bunch of different sections. This will also allow us to learn the names of some of the Japanese fanzines out there, and therefore be able to find information on them and add them to the database here.<br />
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===Nippon SF Fandom Award===<br />
This award (日本SFファンドム賞) was given out from 1965-1969, then replaced by the Seiun Award. We have the latter in the database, but not the former. I'll be happy to enter the information for it. There aren't too many to list, as shown [https://www.sf-fan.gr.jp/etc/fandom_award.html here] (same website/group where they host the Seiun Awards). It was given by the same group that gives out the Seiun Award, and there is only one level (no categories), so it's an uncomplicated award to enter.<br />
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: Sounds pretty straightforward. If there are no objections, I will add these on Monday. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:24, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?105 Done]. Please feel free to edit the record and add a category. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:38, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Thanks! I'll work on them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:34, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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===SF Fanzine Awards===<br />
This award (SFファンジン大賞) was given out between 1982 and 2003 to speculative fiction fanzines in Japan. The winners were decided by a committee that changed annually. Japanese site [https://www.sf-fan.onn.jp/184/185/ here]. It had several categories:<br />
*Fanzine Grand Prize (ファンジン大賞)<br />
*Creative (創作部門)<br />
*Critique (評論部門)<br />
*Translation/Presentation (翻訳・紹介部門)<br />
*Art (アート部門)<br />
*Layout (レイアウト部門)<br />
*Editorial Work (エディトリアルワーク部門)<br />
*Research (研究部門)<br />
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: Looks like Layout was merged with Art in '84 and '85 before being dropped entirely? Dunno if that merits a separate category being created for those 2 years... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 08:51, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: A new award type [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?106 has been created]. Please feel free to create award categories. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:41, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Thanks! I'll work on them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:34, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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===Takumi Shibano Award===<br />
This award (柴野拓美賞) was given at the same time as the SF Fanzine Award, but was judged solely by [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?23499 Takumi Shibano]. It was a single award given out each year (though a few times people shared the award in a single year). [https://www.sf-fan.onn.jp/184/185/ Same site] as above. It's considered a separate award from the SF Fanzine Awards rather than a category under that award.<br />
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I'll be happy to add these. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:57, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?107 Done]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:46, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks! I'll work on them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:34, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Banner Art ==<br />
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The last banner art that I uploaded was in 2009. The first banner art was put together in 2007 on a glass CRT with VGA resolution (640x480 pixels), and the last one was done on my first LCD display with DVI resolution (1920x1200 pixels). The banners are 90x900 pixels, which was about 40% wider than the VGA screen, and about 50% of the DVI screen, which seemed like a pretty substantial size at the time. My current display is 5120x2880, so a banner is now about 3/4 inch tall, and pretty difficult to see any detail. So a few things:<br />
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1. I've been upscaling the banners using an AI tool. I'm running them on isfdb2.org at 180x1800, which seems to be a pretty good match for my current browser width. They are pretty good, but not perfect (especially some of the smaller lettering) but my 2009-era computer doesn't turn on any more, so the original photoshop files may be lost.<br />
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2. In 2020 Ahasuerus put a notice on the [[Banner Art Credits]] page to post new images here. I have been working with Generative AI at work, so I thought I would apply some of that to generating a new banner art candidate. It's artwork from a 1950s-era magazine that never existed on our timeline - let's call it "Interplanetary Stories". All the images were created by DALL-E, with prompts to push it towards an early 1950s artwork style. Obviously, it is copyright free. (The version of the banner displayed below is smaller than 90x900, in order to meet the 200kB size limit of the wiki. See the 180x1800 size version here: [https://www.isfdb2.org/IsfdbBanner13.jpg])<br />
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[[File:IsfdbBanner13.jpg]]<br />
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3. If anyone has requests for a banner honoring a specific magazine (from our timeline), post it here or on my talk page. Otherwise, I may pull over a few more alternate timeline magazines. [[User:Alvonruff|Alvonruff]] ([[User talk:Alvonruff|talk]]) 20:32, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The new banner looks pretty good except for the second woman from the right whose face looks off. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 07:44, 28 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: What about the "leaf woman"? Her forearms are totally merged together. I'm sure that's explained in the cover story. How about this new blaster woman?<br />
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[[User:Alvonruff|Alvonruff]] ([[User talk:Alvonruff|talk]]) 22:18, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: The face is much better! The way she holds the blaster looks a bit odd, but then I have never held a functional blaster, so what do I know? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:49, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Alan Brennert Questions ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?274235; https://archive.org/details/weirdromancetwoo0000menk; PV doesn't respond to much these days, so does anyone know why ISBN is different? Did Samuel French release different editions? Also, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?58584, where someone added a link but according to a note on the Archive.org page Brennert's story "The Second Soul" was removed at his request and seems it was never reprinted in print, so maybe someone knows some shadowy ancient archived SF site or something where they reprinted it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:46, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== German Pfister ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=pfister&type=Name; Last 2 authors are likely the same. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:07, 28 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Charnas Stories ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?273; A couple of questions about her stories. "Oak and Ash" was published in a 1992 issue of Pulphouse Magazine which nobody's going to have, I'm sure, but it was reprinted in a shady sex anthology in 2001, Sextopia. I can't get any info about that, so maybe someone will admit to having it. Also, "Land of Lost Content" is in 1998's Streets of Blood, one of a million Martin H. Greenberg anthologies, as original but online info suggests it's Chapter 2 of her 1980 novel The Vampire Tapestry. No copies of the anthology, either (there's a 15-photo copy on eBay but the seller seemed more interested in showing the covers from every angle instead of taking a clear photo of the acknowledgments page), so if anyone owns a copy maybe it mentions this so a note can be added here about it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:41, 29 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== A Wrinkle in Time Cover Art ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1079586; It's unlikely that the 1976 date is correct because the artist's next credit is 1990. I think there's some confusion with this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?581503, which has similar art. EDIT: This page, https://www.tor.com/2023/05/25/can-you-solve-the-classic-wrinkle-in-time-cover-mystery/, doesn't mention John Berkey who did other 1976 Dell covers, but this page, http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:nmFZMfSDiAMJ:https://70sscifiart.tumblr.com/post/179261051240/john-berkey&hl=en&gl=us&strip=1&vwsrc=0, says he did it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:56, 30 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Self-nomination for self-approver - Philfreund ==<br />
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I would like to nominate myself to be a self-approver. If that's granted, I'll be certain to continue to ask for help if I'm uncertain as to the best approach to take. Granting me this will likely shorten the submission queue significantly since I'm entering a lot of ClonePub submissions on a daily basis, mainly for audiobooks and audio/MP3 CDs. Thanks for your consideration. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 13:56, 30 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Support. Had not seen too many hiccups with Phil's submissions in the last months and he had shown a willingness to seek and listen to advice (and remember it for future submissions). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:53, 30 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Support, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:03, 30 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Support[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 00:11, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Support. No complaints! --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:27, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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=== Outcome ===<br />
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Self-approver flag has been set on the account. Congratulations! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:01, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks everyone! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 12:32, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== K. Sano ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=iko+sano&type=Name; Kazumiko only has 1 credit; may be the same as Kazuhiko. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:49, 30 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It's definitely an unusual name (Kazumiko). However, that credit was a decade prior to anything by Kazuhiko, and as [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/hiller_b_b SFE] and [https://gamebooks.org/Item/2764/Show others] also list the credit as "Kazumiko", I think we should stick with things as they currently are. It's possible it's a typo, but it could also be a rare name. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:05, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bad Poetry ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?11176; https://ibecomethebeast.com/autumn-2023/; The poem by John Grey, "Man/Beast", was published in an old 1998 issue of Jack Fisher's Flesh & Blood as "Man-Beast". The other Grey poems may qualify vaguely as genre so if anyone thinks it's worth entering this magazine for that I'm just mentioning it. Also, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?21876, where I believe the essay is correct but the poems should be with John Grey since John Gray is an alternate name for him. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 07:58, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Portuguese titles capitalisation / rationalisation ==<br />
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For anyone with an interest in Portuguese titling, please take a look at [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Portuguese_titles_capitalisation_.2F_rationalisation this discussion]. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:00, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Sexpunks BC ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29722; I and another editor have been doing a few edits for early 90s Spine-Tingling Press cassettes (at least 2, by Kristine Kathryn Rusch and Matthew Costello, are MIA) and there are some annoying details but this one I think someone can answer. A note, likely written by me some time ago since it's in my particular style, mentions that Mark Molnar did the back cover for a book that almost certainly never would have been published if the author didn't run the company, Sexpunks & Savage Sagas. Is it possible the artist is this man, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?263913? From the back of a book of "erotic" stories by an obscure publisher to doing a cover for an edition of Dune, one of the most famous SF books of all time, from an expensive specialty publisher? Can it be true? Also see this thread, https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Username#Monsters:_Three_Tales, in case anyone has anything helpful to say about those issues. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:52, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ace Earth Abides ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5679463; Any of the many active PV think this should be by Ace Star since it does say that on cover and copyright page? ISFDB has 31 "Ace Star" books and 4 "Ace Star / Ace Books" books. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:02, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Barrington J. Bayley ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5679804; I added a new link; story text is different than old link on Weird Fiction Review. Were Bayley's stories revised for his collection? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:43, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== German Ghost Book ==<br />
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[https://archive.org/search?query=cynthia+asquith&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22&and%5B%5D=language%3A%22German%22]; Link to the German edition of 1950s anthology The Second Ghost Book from 1971, I think, in case anyone wants to enter it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:20, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Grand Canyon Artists ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1347049; I have 2 edits, adding cover image (from SFE) to Brit edition and price to American edition (also fixed author's name because it's the same in both editions and there really was never a variant); however, there are signatures on both covers. Brit, lower right, looks like 2 initials followed by Lupton, while American, lower right, has KW. Artists for other books by the publishers on ISFDB don't match up to either so if anyone can find out more reply here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:38, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Costello's Vacation ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1309571; MLB PV a transient copy of HC which has author's name wrong, Google Books copy says there's no J., TP uploaded in 2021 is raggedy and has no title or copyright page but also has no J. on cover, supposedly CD edition has no J., so as usual there's not really a variant name and they're all by Matthew Costello, no J., in case anyone can see TP title page which would clinch it and then HC and TP can be changed to no J. and variant deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:08, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== German Horseman ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?42064; https://archive.org/search?query=horseman+hubble%27s&sort=-addeddate; I entered Archive.org link, fixed page count, and added cover artist in a pending edit to the American edition of Hubbles' Treasure Hunt and while doing so saw that book linked above which is a 1971 (?) translation of Hubble's Bubble, in case anyone wants to enter that. The publisher, Union Verlag Stuttgart, seems to have no books on ISFDB, but I'm guessing there are probably some that should be; 31 hits on Archive.org including another kid's book, Golden-Eye, that looks promising and a title with Hexen in it which I think means "witch" so that's a possibility, too. Ignore the Hans Holzer psychic photography "non-fiction" book which is in English but likely was published in German first by that publisher. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:50, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== ISFDB recording Gateway as imprint ==<br />
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I suspect Gateway as imprint (or even publisher?) is coming to us from Amazon into Fixer, but Gateway is only a marketing website set up by Gollancz. This is noted on [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Gollancz_Ltd this page] under the sub-heading "SF Gateway website", and with more detail here [https://www.gollancz.co.uk/category/sf-gateway/ Gollancz] and here [https://www.sfgateway.com/ sfgateway]. If it's agreed, could we have a Fixer tweak so that pubs/ebooks coming onto the DB start out as imprint/publisher Gollancz / Orion? See [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?9 this example] of the disparity. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:04, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Ever since Amazon killed off API access to Amazon UK data - circa 2019? - I imagine I've added more Gateway pubs than Fixer has, so changing the Fixer config might not help that much. My recollection of things is:<br />
: * "Proper" Gollancz releases are listed on Amazon, Blackwell's, etc, as being published by Gollancz. (Waterstones are annoying, as they just bundle everything as the parent Orion group - grr)<br />
: * SF Masterworks are listed as being published by Gateway, but actually have Gollancz on the title and copyright pages. e.g. see Roadmarks [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?930344 tp] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?943450 ebook]. I know when I first started actively submitting pubs, I did a few of these as "Gateway", but when I saw that PVers were subsequently changing them to Gollancz, I've got a mental note to change the submission accordingly.<br />
: * I *think* there might be an exception to the former if there was previously a Gateway ebook that has been "promoted" to be a Masterwork, but retains the same ISBN. I think those might just get a new cover image slapped onto the ebook, but the title page still has Gateway branding. I think I might have a Silverberg that falls into this category, will try to dig it out in a bit. '''EDIT''': Some inconsistent findings: My purchased-in-2021 ebook of Silverberg's The Book of Skulls has an SF Masterworks cover, but the title page has Gateway. Other than the cover, I suspect this ebook is identical to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?447130 the 2011 "yellow cover" Gateway pub] recorded here. OTOH, my ebook of Clarke's Imperial Earth still has Gateway branding on the cover, even if I download a fresh copy on a different device. The metadata in the title does claim it's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?943090 an SF Masterworks edition], but there's nothing to support that. Both of these ebooks have Gollancz on the copyright page FWIW.<br />
: * "Proper" Gateway releases have "Gateway" on the title page, even though they may well have Gollancz on the copyright page. An example of this is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?827485 my PVed Warm Worlds and Otherwise ebook]; although it's not explicitly stated in the note, I have just opened the ebook, and the title page has the "Gateway" logo with www.sfgateway.com below. My understanding of the rules is that the title page trumps the copyright page, so these should be recorded as "Gateway / Orion" (or some variant thereof) rather than "Gollancz / Orion" (or some variant thereof).<br />
: The impression I get is that there's no meaningful separation of Gollancz and Gateway in terms of staff, office, etc, but there are a few peripheral things I've noticed that make me inclined towards keeping the entities separate here:<br />
: * The Gollancz site no longer lists SF Masterworks, or at least the majority of them e.g. [https://www.gollancz.co.uk/contributor/roger-zelazny/ the Zelazny page] doesn't have the aforementioned Roadmarks - or any of his other Masterworks pubs - but they are on [https://www.sfgateway.com/contributor/roger-zelazny/ the Gateway site]. This wasn't the case a few years ago; there seemed to be an active decision to separate Masterworks from the Gollancz site. (Even though they have Gollancz on the books themselves..) <br />
: * Similarly, Masterworks pubs used to be listed in the Orion trade catalogues, but nowadays they just get (at best) a brief mention of the line in the Gollancz section, with no details about what pubs might be coming out that period.<br />
: [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 06:33, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Picazo Format ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5672945; All the 25+ Marte XXI series books are TP so I changed the final one to the same, mod says a site he checked disagrees, I doubt they changed format for one book so Linguist, who seems to be in edit history for most of these books, or someone can possibly say what it really is and hopefully my edit can be un-rejected, although the fact that page count is much higher for the last book and cover artist is different than all others points to a slight possibility that maybe they got fancy when they knew the series was coming to an end and jacked up the size. I also note that only a few have prices and 2 are missing cover artists in case anyone can fill in that missing info. I was pretty surprised to see that none are PV, unusual for old SF series on this site. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:08, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Did you look at the cited sources? All three agree the size is 18cm x 11cm. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:07, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::As you say, but since none are PV I wonder if they really changed format for the last in the series or whether some or all of the earlier ones should be TP, too. In this case I wonder if those sources confused this particular edition with its earlier '62 Fleuve Noir PB; there's a note in the previous book's record about confusion between Picazo and Fleuve Noir. Also, another Picazo series here has 4 Asimov books with 1 having an unknown format, so maybe someone knows that, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:37, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Todd Ritter = Alan Finn = Riley Sager ==<br />
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Currently author [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?191380 Todd Ritter] has the alternate name [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?209069 Alan Finn], with one shortfiction for the former and a novel for the latter.<br />
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[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riley_Sager Wikipedia] informs me that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?313188 Riley Sager] is another pseudonym. That author currently has 2 novels in the database - both of which have title notes explaining that their eligibility here isn't 100% certain - and the aforelinked Wikipedia page indicates the Sager alias is the most profilic and current one.<br />
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Any preferences to which one should be the primary? I'm slightly inclined towards Sager, but happy to go with any consensus. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 17:41, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: How many of the Sager novels are genre? It won't matter that he uses that for most of his thrillers if they are not genre. I am leaning towards Ritter quite honestly (when the numbers are about the same, I'd go with the legal name or the currently used name) - unless we have enough Sager novels to balance it that way a lot more. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:47, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: No idea - he wasn't on my radar at all, until I skimmed through the forthcoming list and saw there was one out today. I've glanced through the blurbs on his site, and of the 7 novels, if we take away the two already in the database, only one looks like it might possibly be relevant here, and TBH it feels like it's more gothic than supernatural. I looked at a couple of them on GR, and saw no mention of speculative elements, so I think it's just the two we already have.<br />
:: I don't mind keeping Ritter as the primary, as I guess that'll be slightly less work (no need to redo the Finn author alternate)? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:12, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: The gothic ones always get me - it is very hard to sort out which one belongs if you do not read it. We can always reverse the direction if need be. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:21, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: I have 2 pending edits adding Archive.org links to the print editions of his novel and also fixed their page counts; also have an edit for the author adding Wikipedia link and his Amazon photo. There is almost no mention of his short story online; I hope someone can find that somewhere someday and add a link. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:41, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::: I've just done the author and title varianting; there's a rilersagerbooks.com link that I guess should be moved from the RS author record to TR, but I'll wait for those other edits to be accepted, just to avoid any risk of async approvals losing anything. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 16:16, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Broken Fantascienza Author Image ==<br />
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https://www.fantascienza.com/catalogo/autori/NILF17713/james-lovegrove/; I made a couple of edits for James Lovegrove books and then decided to replace his B&W image with 1 of 2 nice color images on FantLab; I like to add unique images and since Open Library has none and Fantastic Fiction uses the same image as Amazon that leaves Fantascienza, but unusually the image is broken. Anyone know how to find out what it is/was so I don't use the same image from FantLab, assuming there is a match with one of them? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:57, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Neely ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1096598; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5685960; As can be seen in my edit I changed the publisher name; I think the 1906 edition may be a date error (there's no edit history) and can probably be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:37, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Clarkesworld ==<br />
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We had a conversation about this one a few times and it never went anywhere so let's try again. We have two separate series for the magazine:<br />
* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?35233 Clarkesworld (print issues)] - the print versions<br />
* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?26273 Clarkesworld Magazine] - the ebooks and the webzines<br />
In addition, the 2022 issues are entered with different editors in both: just Clarke in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3087880 ebooks] and Kate Baker, Neil Clarke, Sean Wallace on the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3014672 print issues]. The magazines are essentially the same and even if they had some extra content, that had not stopped us using a single series elsewhere. I propose to merge the two series and to clear up the editors. Based on the masthead, I favor the 3 editors vs just Clarke but it can be interpreted either way. Any objections to the merge and any thoughts on the list of editors? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:52, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Agree 100% with merging the two series. My choice is to credit the Editor-in-Chief, but I have no objection to crediting all three. Some of the publication records could also use some cleanup. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:03, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::I've no concerns with combining the series. I too feel that we should go with a single editor. I had previously thought our policy was to go with the Editor-in-Chief when multiple types of editors are listed, but the last time I researched that I couldn't find it documented. I'd go with the Editor-in-Chief. I will note that neither Miller/Contento nor Locus1 list an edition. FictionMags doesn't for the early issues, and lists Sean Wallace for the most recent ones. He is also listed on Galactic Central. For the single issue for which I have a hard copy, Kate Baker is credited as Non-Fiction Editor/Podcast Director which seems a little attenuated to me. I'd like to avoid getting into a situation like the semiprozine Hugo nominations for [https://file770.com/2022-hugo-award-finalists/ Strange Horizons]. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:02, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Yellow Peril ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?287140; I added Archive.org link to PB and saw LCCN says 383 for HC which is much higher than what's on ISFDB; does anyone own a copy who can correct page count if necessary? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:25, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Times Mirror ==<br />
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After coming across countless NEL books that say "Times Mirror" on title page I realized it wasn't a co-publisher or imprint but just distributor or parent company or something similar and shouldn't actually be entered here as part of the publisher name; I removed the ones I had changed to New English Library / Times Mirror a while back (thank goodness there were only 4) but this one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5447529, was not done by me. I suspect I must have seen this and followed along blindly. The note is not by me, I just added Archive.org link, but notes in a couple of the other records are written similarly so I probably just cut-and-pasted this original note. So if anyone (I think 1 PV, Spacecow, is still sort of active) wants to make publisher of this one just New English Library that's up to them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:02, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Rest In Agony ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?828278; I replaced Younger's Pharaoh book cover and uploaded new cover for this book from Bookscans; ID doesn't match what's on the cover. I don't know who's responsible for that, MLB who uploaded the old cover, RTrace who secondary verified stuff, Rosa, anybody else that worked on this, so someone may want to decide what to do about that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:16, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Magic Ring ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1135737; The Valancourt TP was just upped on Archive.org, I made an edit, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5687545, but there's problems. Someone named ElectricStarboard was the last one to edit the HC and seems to have altered the title. Judging by their page and the fact that almost every message is about how they fixed or merged or did other stuff incorrectly I'm guessing that the HC should also have the subtitle; if it does, and assuming the Sturgis intro is just the TP intro ported over verbatim, then TP intro I entered and HC intro can be merged. I'm pretty sure, being a deluxe edition, the HC would also have the short story "Field of Terror" that as of now is only in the TP. Whenever there's a "data from Amazon" note that usually means page count is wrong and I fixed it for the TP but even though HC also says the same in the note judging from online info that page count may be correct, although almost certainly Roman numerals would need to be added to it for all the essays and other stuff at the beginning. Does anyone own the HC? That would be very helpful. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:45, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ah, Sweet Mystery of Life ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5687723; ISFDB has a 1989 edition which is barebones, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?37485, and the Knopf edition I edited says original was by Michael Joseph in 1989 so I assume that's what it should be here. Surprisingly, only 2 editions are on Archive.org, Knopf and a 14th (?) printing of 1990 Penguin with a cover from some completely different book by another author for some reason. I assume the preface I entered comes from the 1989 edition so if anyone has it and enters it the preface can be re-dated and merged. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:16, 9 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Archives of Haven ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20178; Notes in other 2 books in the series about getting Corgi Joe Petagno cover credits from R. Holdstock's Encyclopedia of Science Fiction, no credit for this book, there's a copy of the encyclopedia on Archive.org with no mention, it seems, of this book but a few online sites identify it as by Petagno. All 4 PV are gone so does anyone know if it's him or not? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:42, 9 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wrong Titles On Archive.org ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5688508; A cautionary tale here. Elizabeth Engstrom's 1992 20-story collection Nightmare Flower was upped last month so I added a link and fixed/added various things. On a whim I decided to enter her name in the search page but in text contents instead of metadata. Not really expecting to find anything I hadn't already entered I was stunned to see her first book, When Darkness Loves Us, a 1985 two-story collection. Since Valancourt put out their reprint edition a few years ago I've tried many times to find somewhere online that showed any of the several earlier editions and could never find any site that showed a contents page so I could enter the numbers, which was very annoying. It turns out the reason why it couldn't be found on Archive.org specifically is because whoever upped it way back in 2011 got it mixed up with a completely different title from another author and publisher. They're not even close. This is far from the first time a book had the wrong title on that site but for some reason I had never thought to search contents for this one. So to anyone looking for anything on that site I suggest searching for titles/ISBN/whatever in contents because you may find a lot of stuff you didn't think was there if you just searched for them the regular way. I'm very happy about this but a few things remain that need doing; the Tor edition has the same page count as the HC and I assume page numbers are the same, so if anyone owns a copy they can verify that and enter them. The Apex edition has a completely different page count which may or may not be right; maybe someone has a copy of that, too. Finally, the first story says it's a novelette but page count is almost 70, way over the 50-page limit for that length, yet in the Hartwell anthology that it was reprinted in the count varies from 30 pages in the HC to around 60 in the PB while in the Valancourt PB (which I edited last year using a library copy) it's 65. So I have a feeling it should be a novella, too, like the second story in the collection. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:43, 9 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Your submission is approved. My rough count was approx. 19,000 words. I would approve the change. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:05, 9 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Done. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:08, 9 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I added WorldCat ID to the Apex edition and noticed note says "data from Amazon" which is a signal that info, especially page count, is probably wrong; WorldCat says 201 pages, not 218, so I made an edit changing it since that's probably correct or closer to it, anyway. I also noticed it says "updated foreword" on their page but I don't know what that means because Theodore Sturgeon was dead for nearly 25 years when this edition came out (I see he died in May of 1985 so the foreword was likely one of the last things he wrote before he died; sad). Supposedly this edition is in 2 public libraries down south in North Carolina and Kentucky which makes sense because Apex is based in Kentucky, but there's also a copy in a university in Taiwan (?!?). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:10, 13 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Change series name: Chubby Lewis Barnavelt ==<br />
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I'm not sure how the series name [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?1404 Chubby Lewis Barnavelt] was created but I think it's offensive as-is. I suggest it should be changed to simply "Lewis Barnavelt". Are there any objections? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:01, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I updated it. Regardless of the offensive part, searching for "Chubby Lewis Barnavelt" produces only 11 hits[https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Chubby+Lewis+Barnavelt%22]. Strickland's books have "John Bellairs's Lewis Barnavelt in TITLE" on cover and title page. It seems more reasonable people would be looking to find this as "Lewis Barnavelt" than "Chubby Lewis Barnavelt". --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:49, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: The series was called "Chubby Lewis" in the 1997 [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/fe/bellairs_john Encyclopedia of Fantasy]. I can't find the word "Chubby" in the e-text that I have. I'll need to check my paper library to see if I have an early edition. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:30, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::https://bellairsia.blogspot.com/2005/09/who-is-chubby-lewis.html. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:48, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Checking the 1993 reprint of the first book, I see that other children call the protagonist "Fatty" on a couple of occasions, but there are no references to "Chubby" that I can find. I found a reference to "her chubby friend Lewis" in ''The Ghost in the Mirror'' (volume 4, 1993, completed by Brad Strickland), but that's it.<br />
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:::: I guess we can add a note explaining that the protagonist is called "Chubby Lewis" in the ''Encyclopedia of Fantasy'', the ''Greenwood Encyclopedia of Science Fiction and Fantasy'' and in Don D'Ammassa's ''Encyclopedia of Fantasy and Horror Fiction'', but we can find no occurrences of this nickname in the editions that we have access to. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:35, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::: Back cover of this book says "Chubby Lewis": https://archive.org/search?query=%22barnavelt%22+%22chubby+lewis%22&sin=TXT. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:43, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Thanks. I have updated the Notes field with the information that we currently have. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:08, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Williamson Effect Intro ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5689255; One of those OL-only copies with no preview; while correcting page count I noticed intros in HC and TP are entered differently. There's also a similarly titled essay in a 2008 David Brin collection, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=love+with+change&type=All+Titles, but it has a 2006 date with no note about where it came from. So the '96 intros can be merged if someone decides which one is more properly titled; whether the later essay is the same one is hard to say because there's no copy of that collection. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:36, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jelly Ink ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=jelly+ink&type=Publisher; I just made an edit adding a link to the 4th printing of Stranger Things Happen by Kelly Link; publisher is Jelly Ink / Small Beer Press even though Jelly Ink is only mentioned on copyright page, but a chapbook by Link, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?28159, is as by Jelly Ink Press with a note about being an imprint. Both of those things can't be right so which publisher name should be the parent? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:50, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Later printings of "Stranger Things Happen" (with unknown dates of publication) are verified, so we shouldn't change them. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:14, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::PV Andrewk and Teddybear are no longer active. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:34, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Math Book ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?249351; I see in history that I added cover and price nearly 2 years ago but this book really doesn't belong here, being non-genre and with no review, so should probably be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:51, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Agreed. I've removed it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:48, 12 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Golden Enemy ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?20192; A discussion of a book by Alexander Key on the boards here prompted me to add a few minor things to 2 of his books I'd edited long ago but I also noticed The Golden Enemy, which I never edited, has a copy on Archive.org, https://archive.org/search?query=golden-enemy, which is 166 pages, not 176 like ISFDB and many other sites say, while there's an Open Road reprint that says 156 pages. This copy, https://picclick.com/The-Golden-Enemy-by-Alexander-Key-194249590087.html, looks like it has the same copyright page so I don't think the archived copy is book club or anything, and there are no Westminster book club editions on ISFDB. So if anyone can solve this mystery, respond here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:18, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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I have collected Alexander Key books for years, and I find that with Westminster Press it can be very hard to determine what printing you have. They did not bother marking First Editions or reprints until sometime in the later 1970's, from what I have seen. I recently posted a copy of "The Forgotten Door" that I belive is a First Edition, mainly because of the ads on the dust jacket. I think some titles had very few printings, if not just one. While a few titles were quite popular and were probably reprinted numerous times. I know "The Forgotten Door" was reprinted, because I own a few differnt editions, including later printings with number strings on the copyright page for a 13th printing, and a 14th printing. I believe "The Golden Enemy" was also popular and reprinted several times. This could be part of the page numbering issue, but it could also just be a cataloging mistake. The Library of Congress records a copy with 176 pages. I have seen cases where the mistake of one library is copied by cataloging departments in several libraries. Basically if someone in The Library of Congress made a mistake, it may have been replicated may times. I have an early copy of this title, but it is packed away right now, so I can't check it. I have seen books where the page numbering was changed to include an "About the Author" page, or an afterword, but 10 pages does seem to be a bit much. [[User:Bernarrd|Bernarrd]] ([[User talk:Bernarrd|talk]]) 16:49, 18 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Heads up on making edits to several hundred pubs, some of which may have verifications ==<br />
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Per [[User_talk:Ahasuerus#Weird_broken_Amazon_image_URLs]] , there are ~600 author and pub record that have Amazon image URLs that are now broken. Most of these URLs can be fixed programmatically, and I've got a simple script to submit the edits via the API.<br />
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Some of these pubs may well have verifications, apologies for any notification spam you might get for them, but I don't think there's any need to create talk page items for everyone whose edits may be affected.<br />
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Although the process is simple, the clicking through approvals for several hundred edits (especially on the selfmoderator pages?) will be tedious, so I'll probably be doing this over the next few days. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 07:52, 12 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Kevin Clarke: two different people? ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?3708 Kevin Clarke] has a late '80s Doctor Who novelization, and 3 bits of fanart from the early 80s, on his page. I strongly suspect these are 2 different people:<br />
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* [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/clarke_kevin The SFE page] only mentions his Doctor Who work<br />
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Clarke_(writer) Wikipedia] only mentions involvement in music, TV and academia, although I suspect a few bits of fanart wouldn't get much of a mention.<br />
* [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Kevin_Clarke TARDIS wiki] (not currently linked from here) doesn't have much, but only mentions TV work<br />
* Googling for '"kevin clarke" bsfa' indicates he may have been active in UK fandom earlier and later than the work on record here e.g. [https://news.ansible.uk/a04.html November 1979 Ansible], [https://efanzines.com/Prolapse/Prolapse04.pdf a 2006 fanzine] (PDF, pages 20 and 26); possibly [https://fanac.org/conpubs/Novacon/Novacon%2040/N40_PR1_colour.pdf a 2010 Novacon progress report].<br />
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At the very least I feel this merits an author note, but would there be any objection to separating these out into two different author records? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 10:03, 13 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Adding a note is a sure thing for sure (Sure? Sure!). I do have some reservations about dividing the entries / authors: things like those do happen (a fan being active in two areas): there are some who do both, and others who begin in one field (say drawing) and do find their fulfilment in another one (say writing, or vice versa). That the candidate(s) both was/were active in the 1980s and seem(s) to stem from the British Isles, leaves the distinct possibility that it is the same person, I'd think. <br />
: And none of the given sources would mention fan artwork, I'd think (because they aren't aware of it). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 14:43, 13 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Stories from the Twilight Zone ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33354; I have an edit adding LCCN ID to this TP edition but noticed there was a 1989 PB on Archive.org which somehow was never entered here so I made an edit for that, too, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5691762, but there's a cover art question; 1986 says Roger Bergendorf did the "cover photo" but 1989 says Stan Watts did the "cover art" which has a 1986 copyright date. It looks like art to me so if anyone is familiar with Watts' style maybe they can identify him as the artist and his name can be entered, possibly with a note in TP record about wrong cover credit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 01:52, 14 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:You'll have to discuss with the primary verifier, who's active as editor. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 05:08, 14 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::TP PV is transient so they wouldn't have their copy anymore and they probably have no idea about the art question because they didn't even enter Bergendorf as cover artist (maybe they thought photos don't count as art, even though by looking at it closely it appears to be artwork and not a photo). There's no PV to ask about the PB because that edition wasn't on ISFDB until I added it (approval pending). Maybe someone is familiar with Watts' art and can identify it as his or there's a clear copy with a signature somewhere on the cover. It wouldn't make sense to have 2 separate art credits here for what's obviously the same art so one artist should be decided on and entered. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:07, 14 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Eclipse Pages/Dates ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5692038; Most of Beford's books are either on Archive.org or in 2 cases OL-only no-preview editions; the last one I edited has a couple of issues. Note says it should be 309 pages per ISFDB but it should really be 311, right? also, these Edge books sometimes have that Canada/USA date thing on copyright page; how to tell what's a USA edition if they just put both dates? Couldn't this book just as easily have a 2006 date? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:20, 14 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Daw Duplicate ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?669885; Should the non-PV record be deleted? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:09, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: It has a different ISBN and based on the ISBN and the fact that it is a later one, I'd say it is a reprint and probably a 2000 one (See the rest of the ISBNs starting with the same numbers [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_publisher&O_1=exact&TERM_1=DAW+Books&C=AND&USE_2=pub_isbn&O_2=starts_with&TERM_2=08867788&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication here]). Looking up that second ISBN online (0886778832), I see some records so seems like a valid one indeed. I will do some more digging and eventually re-date to 0000-00-00 for now if I cannot confirm the 2000 and if it still looks like a reprint. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 22:07, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== French Replay ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?528161; https://archive.org/search?query=grimwood+seuil; As I was adding edits to some editions of K. Grimwood's Replay I found that French one. Edit history shows only Hauck who according to his page here wants nothing to do with this site and says it's no use to "left" messages, so any other French-fluent editors who want to enter that (price is different on the back so I assume it's some other printing) can do so if they wish. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:25, 16 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== New cleanup report: pre-1967 pubs with an ISBN ==<br />
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A new cleanup report has been deployed. It looks for pre-1967 publications with an ISBN. The data will become available tomorrow morning. I expect the report to find 49 suspect records. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:15, 16 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:27, 16 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Desert of Death's Domain ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5694536; I think all 3 PV are gone so someone who's into these Rhodan books may want to look at this one because I see some possible problems with series being part of title and title in contents being shortened and also having one with a # and one without. Maybe this is correct and the way others in the series were entered but I doubt it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:03, 16 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Yellow warnings for ISBNs enhanced ==<br />
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In NewPub/AddPub/EditPub/ClonePub submissions, post-submissions yellow warnings for ISBNs have been enhanced as follows:<br />
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* Multiple yellow warnings are now fully supported. In the past, only some combinations of yellow warnings were displayed.<br />
* The threshold year for pubs with ISBNs has been changed from 1970 to 1967. The language of the warning has been clarified to indicate that ISBNs are not allowed for pre-1967 publications.<br />
* If you edit a publication with an ISBN value and change the publication date value to a year prior to 1967, the same yellow warning is displayed in the publication date row.<br />
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[[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:56, 17 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== R. Dunkley Story Title ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1374862; Open Library lists contents and they say "Zane", not "Zazine"; little photo evidence of this book online, so maybe someone here has a copy and can verify what it is and fix if needed. On the plus side, while looking into this I found that Dunkley has a website and Nick Bantock did the cover art for The Twilight Book, so I made edits adding both. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:33, 18 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Black Is A Man ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?815472; A copy of this rare novel was upped last November so I added a link along with LCCN. There's an awesome sticker on the cover from J.M. Fields with a 57-cent price; that store went out of business in 1978 according to Wikipedia so this copy's at least 45 years old. I didn't see any artist credit inside the book but it may be hiding somewhere in that creepy artwork in case anyone can find it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:26, 18 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I couldn't see any signature on the front or back cover, or on the flaps. I added a note to that effect. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:52, 20 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== King's The Plant ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?92669; http://jerryshouseofeverything.blogspot.com/2017/08/forgotten-book-plant.html; I'd like to know the best way to enter that PDF mentioned at the bottom which is a dead link but is still online at club-stephenking.fr. Is it a novel? A chapbook? It was published electronically in 2000 (note the Stoker nomination here) but it has page numbers. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:06, 20 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Looks like each part should be a SERIAL, with its publication a CHAPBOOK. Although it's unfinished, in composite they would be a novel, so you'd variant all six to a parent NOVEL record and note that it is unfinished. [https://stephenking.com/works/other-project/plant-zenith-rising.html stephenking.com] has info and PDFs for groups of three. I see the site you linked has a PDF for all 6. I would use the page numbers to compute "pages" for the installments and note the actual number range in each one. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:50, 20 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Biomass Bob (Robert E. Lumpkin passing 6/20/2023) ==<br />
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Hello ISFDB Community,<br />
My father asked me to share his passing with you all. He died yesterday 6/20/2023 of pneumonia. My brother and I were with him and he died peacefully. The illness came on very suddenly, but once it took hold, it proved impossible to beat. He valued this site and all the contributors so much.<br />
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My brother and I will be selling his spectacular collection of science fiction/fantasy books/media in the next couple of months. We don't share his love of the material and we want it to go to a good home. If anyone can direct us to an appropriate dealer or place to talk about selling his collection, it would be greatly appreciated. We will check back here periodically.<br />
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I apologize if I have placed this notice in the wrong place. Best, Nancy Sowers<br />
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: Hello Nancy, <br />
: No, that's the perfect place for it. I am so sorry for your loss. Bob was a part of the site and of our community and we will sorely miss him. I hope you find some solace in the fact that he won't be forgotten. Try to find some time for yourself in these hard times and we will all miss Bob :( [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:36, 21 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: I am very sorry to hear about Bob's passing :-( He was always very dedicated and a pleasure to work with.<br />
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:: I am afraid I can't help with finding a dealer, but some of our contributors may be in a better position to point you in the right direction. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:12, 21 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:I'm so sorry to hear that. Our condolences to you and your family. Bob will be missed. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:16, 21 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Bob was always a pleasure to work with. Sorry to hear he's gone, I'll miss him. As for the collection, you might try Centipede press (mail to jerad@centipedepress.com). Sometimes they sell special collections for family of former customers. I think Bob was one of their better customers, recently he helped them with a [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Biomassbob#Strange_Plasma_issue_8 rare Lafferty story] and his collection is certainly special. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 08:28, 22 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::My condolences as well. Your father was one of my favorite ISFDB collaborators to work with. I will miss him greatly. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:55, 22 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::He will definitely be missed here. He contributed quite a bit over the years. My condolences to you and to your family. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:35, 22 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::I am so sorry for your loss, Nancy. Bob was great to work with, I valued his input on many projects and he will be missed here. May his memory be a blessing. Rest in Peace, Bob. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 03:43, 23 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::I'm so sorry to hear about Bob. I had lunch with your Bob and your brother at the Windy City Pulp collector's convention in 2019. It was one of most enjoyable encounters I have had in the last several years and I'd hoped to meet with him again.<br />
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:::If you can wait until ~April 2024 to sell his collection, the upcoming Windy City Pulp convention will give you the opportunity to contact 50-100 dealers, and you might be able to arrange for an estate auction.[[User:Rkihara|Rkihara]] ([[User talk:Rkihara|talk]]) 12:27, 30 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?178737; Maybe someone here who knows his personal info would like to update his record. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:52, 30 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::I've updated it with his date of death and linked it to his user page here. If anyone can find an obituary for him, we can update it more. I've had no luck finding one. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:17, 30 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::I've been in and out of the hospital myself recently, so I missed Bob's death, but I've always found him a helpful editor and moderator, ever since I started here eleven years ago. He will be missed. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 00:33, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Golem Questions ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5698892; This is the original edition, I think. Then there is this, https://archive.org/search?query=meyrink+golem+wolff&sort=-addeddate, where the 2 Golem editions are by Kurt Wolff but are different on title/copyright pages. Any of the many German editors here may want to approve my edit and then add details to it which escaped me, being non-fluent in the language, and also enter those other 2 which are likely later editions. On a semi-related note I asked 2 PV recently about Bester's Golem 100 but one of them is now deceased so if anyone knows the answer, possibly the other PV, thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:21, 22 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5698892; Someone finally got around to my Golem edit but rejected it because of the date, although I think it's because it was published in December and, as so often, books published at the end of the year have a copyright for the following year. But whatever. If anyone ever does anything with this they can decide if the archived copy is a first printing, a later edition, whatever. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:57, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Madrone Tree ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=the-madrone-tree; There was a recent message here about an A.C. Clarke cover being originally from Dark Dominion by David Duncan; I see his "reviewed in The Arkham Sampler", almost genre, novel The Madrone Tree was recently upped but there's no cover and copyright page is pretty bare so I suspect it's some kind of book club edition, in case anyone can figure out from a gutter code or something what exactly it is and wants to enter it here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:59, 23 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Derek Hegsted ==<br />
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I was adding a few edits to editions of L. Ron Hubbard's Fear when I noticed the note for the 1991 HC said they're not sure where the internal art credit came from, so I found a 1994 article on www.deseret.com which mentioned Hegsted and said he did art for 3 books including Serpent Catch and Murisaki. The first is by Dave Wolverton and credits Derek Hegstead so I did all the needed variants and such but the second is unknown; searching for that title on WorldCat found 1 musical score for the harp and nothing else, so if anyone knows what it is (novel?) that would be great. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:01, 23 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:They might mean [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?928491 this anthology], though the art is apparently by Stephen Youll. I actually have this anthology, so I will check it when I get home from work. I also have Serpent Catch, so I can check that one, too (for the spelling of his name). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:49, 30 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I have 2 pending edits for Serpent Catch. After those are approved I don't think you'll need to do anything else with that book. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:08, 30 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Complete Cthulhu ==<br />
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For Lovecraft fans, https://archive.org/search?query=complete-cthulhu&sort=-addeddate; not sure which edition it is, leather bound or collectible ("collectible" didn't show up in a text search and "leather" only shows up in some of the stories) and it's a 3rd printing, I think, but ISFDB has a 9th (!) printing. So I mention it in case anyone wants to enter. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:41, 24 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Baen Books vs. Baen Fantasy ==<br />
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See this discussion, https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Dirk_P_Broer#Warriorwards, in case any of the many PV agree and want to make Baen Fantasy a publisher series and make Baen Books the publisher. This is similar, I think, to how most people entered the countless Tor publications as just that but a handful decided to enter Tor Horror, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?73896, as if that's a separate publisher or something. EDIT: There's also a related issue where a handful entered Avon Horror as a series, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?9753, when it isn't. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:47, 24 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== 2 Vikings ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?67171; First book is by cheap UK 50's PB publisher while others are UK editions of major American publisher Viking so something should be added to PB publisher to differ. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:25, 24 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== WSFA Small Press Award ==<br />
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Is the [https://wsfasmallpressaward.org/ WSFA Small Press Award] in the database? I was checking a few authors who were already nominated for it but couldn't find it in neither their pages or in the Awards Directory. [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 18:55, 16 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It doesn't look like it's been added yet, looking at the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_directory.cgi list of awards]. I think it's likely eligible. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:26, 19 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Thanks! Where is the best place to propose a new addition to the Awards directory? [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 00:58, 24 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Ahaseurus usually adds the award itself, and then any moderator can add categories to it (if needed) and any editor can add awards to various titles and moderators will then approve them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:23, 26 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Sorry I missed the question when it was posted on the Help Desk. I agree that the award looks eligible. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:19, 26 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: If there are no objections, I will create this award type tomorrow. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 23:41, 29 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: The Award Type [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?108 has been created]. Thanks for bringing it to everyone's attention. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:18, 30 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Manfred W. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=manfred+wil&type=Name; Usual PV for these languages, Stonecreek, JLochhas, Rudam, Willem, so if any of them know whether these 2 guys are the same or whether one or the other is misspelled and needs to be made a variant or if they're not the same guy at all, have a look. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:54, 26 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== James Barry ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?141183; I made some edits for Mutants recently and noticed clicking on James Barry leads to another person's record; some variant is needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:16, 27 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I disambiguated the two James Barry's. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 01:50, 29 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Two review books ==<br />
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I have two anthologies that are nothing, or almost nothing, but reviews on slick paper. One is [https://www.amazon.com/Paperback-Fantastic-Horror-Justin-Marriott/dp/B0B92HCLRL/ref=sr_1_2?crid=1ZY6MCRPL0TRU&keywords=Paperback+Fantastic+Horror&qid=1687909120&s=books&sprefix=paperback+fantastic+horror%2Cstripbooks%2C104&sr=1-2 Paperback Fantasic #3] and [https://www.amazon.com/Collected-Pulp-Horror-One/dp/1793987548/ref=sr_1_1?crid=19Z86H7GZ1TFN&keywords=the+Collected+Pulp+Horror&qid=1687909847&s=books&sprefix=the+collected+pulp+horror%2Cstripbooks%2C128&sr=1-1 The Collected Pulp Horror]. Both are profusely illustrated with book covers, some in color. Do I list the cover reproductions/reprints along with the reviews and articles? Is there a rule about this? I have no life, so either way is fine, and I got the time to list everything. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 20:03, 27 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: If the reproductions are of genre novels and books - YES - as interior art that then gets varianted into the covers when possible! If they are not - as long as the reviews are of eligible books, the whole book is eligible so... yes. There is actually a chance that you may discover previously unknown artists for some of our books - in which case you can add a coverart record crediting the books you are holding and then use that as a parent for the reproduction. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 20:48, 27 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Angry Candy Art ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?123061; I was adding 2 links to Houghton Mifflin and 1 to Mariner (+ page numbers) when I noticed the odd page numbering for the art in Plume; very early 2007 PV here so maybe that was the thing back then but now it doesn't need page numbers, does it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:00, 28 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Hughart Omnibus ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?136566; Finding a photo of Barry Hughart on FantLab spurred me to add archived links to editions of all 3 of his novels but his omnibus is nowhere to be found. The original publisher apparently published nothing else and the Subterranean edition was re-released with corrections. Someone here must have a copy of one of these books; if they do, I'm sure some info can be fixed/added. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:00, 28 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cleanup Report: Potential Duplicate E-book Publications ==<br />
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I just noticed that all of the titles by Glynn Stewart that have a Patreon edition ebook publication are showing up on the Potential Duplicate E-book Publications Cleanup Report. For example: "A Question of Faith". Right now there's only about 35 of them but is there any way to tweak the report criteria so they aren't on it? They are very definitely not duplicates. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:58, 28 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Thus the word "Potential" - these reports have a hidden functionality in them :) Moderators can ignore the ones which are valid and do not need to be flagged. For non-moderators, if you provide a list of the valid ones in a Moderator Board post, a moderator will look them over and click on the ignore for you. This is valid of a lot of our reports - they don't always mean that there is an issue - or that what they are flagging is the issue - they are just a "go check this again" warning based on automatic checks. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:10, 28 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Itsy Bitsy Spider ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1013230; This is a very confused title. I just made 3 PENDING edits removing title from Shivers III, importing title from Read Your Fears into Shivers III, and re-dating that title to date of Shivers III. Now the problem is that the parent title is wrong because this story was co-authored with his daughter (and the 1994 date is also wrong) but his collection Aftershock does list the title in table of contents as Itsy Bitsy Spider and doesn't mention a co-author. Archive.org copy of Aftershock is messed up and doesn't allow any searches so I think the correct thing to do would be to add co-author to parent title and then re-title it and date it to match the kid's anthology it first appeared in and for someone who has access to Aftershock to verify what's on the story's title page and fix if needed. Anyone have it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 01:20, 29 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I reversed the variant and parent so that the original title with both authors is now the parent. Looking at the Amazon Look Inside for ''Aftershock & Others'', Meggan C. Wilson is listed in the acknowledgements for "Itsy Bitsy Spider" and searching her name within the Look Inside shows a hit on page 151 (page story starts on) even though the page is not shown. As such, I added her to that story. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 02:02, 29 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Lucifer and the Child ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5705474; Judging by the wartime note on copyright page and 1944 dates of writing on last page I think book date should be changed to 1945 like WorldCat says. What say you? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:49, 29 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Spanish Genesis ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?88476; https://www.amazon.com/-/es/dp/8432037427; I was entering several edits for Harbinson books and came across this. Someone more familiar with Spanish publications may know what the "2d" on the cover means, whether this is a reprint of the original Planeta or if there was an earlier edition from someone else, and I'm sure the seller's description in Spanish has some info that could be useful. In case anyone wants to enter anything. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:29, 29 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Betancur ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=betancur&type=Name; Likely the same artist. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:49, 30 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== It-Alien Nation ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3405; Some weird uploader from Canada has 3 obscure Canadian non-fiction items in their account and a HC Italian edition of Alan Dean Foster's novelization of the 1988 film Alien Nation, https://archive.org/details/aliennation0000fost, in case anyone fluent wants to enter that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:34, 30 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Out of the Everywhere ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?37423; I added Archive.org link in a PENDING edit to 1981 US PB, someone's note about comma only on cover and spine but someone added it to cover art and Canadian PB title, needs removing, also someone's note about LCCN not being on LoC but someone added it to both US and Canadian, needs removing from External ID and adding number to notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:02, 30 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Caramine ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=weapon+master&type=All+Titles; I don't usually dabble in old pulp but I think I stumbled across something here. Note in Caramine's record says it's a pseudonym of a SF guy; search for title and Robert Hoskins gets a few mentions in SF bibliographies but this search, https://archive.org/search?query=%22weapon+master%22+%22a.+l.+caramine%22&sin=TXT&sort=-addeddate, shows a few copies of the zine where Caramine's credit was. This review of the zine where the Hoskins credit was, http://andrewdarlington.blogspot.com/2015/12/retrospect-science-fiction-adventures.html, mentions Newcastle and Jordan's Delight, 2 places mentioned in the Caramine story, so I think it's obvious that Hoskins reprinted the story under his own name. Also interesting is that the note here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?212773, mentions "Ac" as artist for the Hoskins story; Ac=A. Caramine? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:33, 2 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jason ? Brock ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=dark+sea+within&type=All+Titles; Last item has no period after V in Brock's name; eBay copy also shows no period on contents page and Kobo preview shows no period on acknowledgements page but all-important story page wasn't seen, so if anyone owns/knows where a readable copy is it would help to decide whether it needs to be a variant or merged. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:44, 2 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Lee Ann Barlow / Lee Kuruganti ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?248792 Lee Ann Barlow] appears to be the married name of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?102605 Lee Kuruganti].<br />
* Lee Ann Barlow - 49 titles, earliest 2016-10-00.<br />
* Lee Kuruganti - 109 titles, latest 2016-01-00.<br />
Normally we would make Lee Kuruganti the canonical name. Are there any objections to making Lee Ann Barlow the canonical name? This will avoid having to reverse the relationship at the point where Lee Ann Barlow is the most recognized. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:57, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Ordinarily, recently published titles have more "weight" when determining "the most recognized name for the author within the SF genre", so I would be agree with the proposal if the numbers were close. However, 49 vs. 109 is rather lopsided and there is no guarantee that the artist will continue publishing as by "Lee Ann Barlow" going forward, at least at the same rate of publication. It makes me hesitant to create an exception. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:34, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Your point regarding future publications is valid. I'll make Lee Kuruganti the canonical name for now. We can revisit if the credits equalize. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:20, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mr. Scott ==<br />
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I added cover artist to American edition of The Jules Verne Companion, Steve Hofheimer, thanks to FantLab, but the British edition is confusing. Both American and British (searchable on Google Books) say "Designed by Christopher Scott" on title page. ISFDB has a Chris Scott, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?228831, with cover art credit for the British, and a Christopher Scott, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?112902, with interior art for another Peter Haining anthology. Both Scotts also have short story credits for some other Scott with the same first name; whether author Chris and author Christopher are the same guy is another question. So anyone who maybe owns the British and can verify it says "Chris" on a flap or something would help. Separating authors from artists is also needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:36, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Independence Day ==<br />
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https://media.tenor.com/13bNRuU9yDIAAAAC/july4th-yes.gif; https://media.tenor.com/YOYXiSoDol8AAAAd/happy4th-of-july-4th-of-july.gif. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:46, 4 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Manor ISBN ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_isbn&O_2=contains&TERM_2=1532&USE_3=pub_publisher&O_3=contains&TERM_3=manor&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication]; Killer Pack is the only Manor book which starts with 1532, just over 200 Manor books on ISFDB start with 0532, this eBay copy, https://picclick.com/Killer-Pack-Herbert-Myers-Paperbacks-From-Hell-285355696448.html, has no starting number on the spine, should it be changed from 1 to 0? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:20, 4 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Twilight Tales Presents, September 1998 ==<br />
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What happened to the cover? Also, it's verified for Locus1, but where is it listed there? I thought Locus was only for books. --[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 14:08, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?386118 Twilight Tales Presents, September 1998]. Galactic Central either moved the cover or had to delete it for some reason - the risk in using outside/non-ISFDB hosted covers. If it was moved, someone may be able to track it. If it is deleted, we need to find it elsewhere...<br />
: As for Locus1 - check with Ron. Part of it is that some of the things we consider magazines are considered anthologies by others (and vice versa) but the verifier can tell you what the answer is better than anyone else. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:28, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks, Annie. Sorry I didn't put the link in my post. I wonder why Galactic Central deleted it… --[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 14:31, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Copyright challenge, personal information (if there was a label on it?), a mistake by someone, just moving it somewhere, a better cover was uploaded but the name not used for some reason - who knows what happened. Their covers are usually stable (unlike their links) but things happen. You can always ask them if you want :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:38, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Locus1 actually does cover magazines in addition to books. Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:13, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::So I did ask Phil S-P, and this is what he said: "[''Twilight Tales Presents''] is one of those strange borderline publications that is sometimes classed as a magazine and sometimes as an anthology (I see that the ISFDb currently tries to have it both ways by listing some issues as magazines and some as anthologies!). My view is that it was an anthology series and, as such, falls outside my core remit."<br />
:::::Disappointing. —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 14:32, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Linking Award details on Award Type and Award Category pages ==<br />
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We currently use asterisks ("*") on Award Type and Award Category pages to link to nominations without a numeric value. See [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ay.cgi?23+2023 ''2023 Hugo Award''] for an example of an Award Type page which has no numeric values because only nominations have been announced: every link is an asterisk.<br />
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As [[User:ErsatzCulture]] pointed out earlier today, these asterisks are not particularly intuitive; it's hard for our users to tell that you need to click on an asterisk to see each award's detailed data. How about we replace "*" with the word "Details"? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:42, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:I think having the word "Details" would clutter up the page, especially given how those tables are displayed. Maybe use the Unicode 🛈 (U+1F6C8) or Ⓘ (U+24BE). Some other possibilities: ⎆ (U+2386), ⎘ (U+2398), ⏵ (U+23F5), Ⓓ (for "Details", U+24B9), ▶ (U+25B6), ► (U+25BA), ➤ (U+27A4), ➨ (U+27A8), ➔ (U+2794), ➜ (U+279C), ➥ (U+27A5), and ⮩ (U+2BA9). You could use one of these if "Nominated" was selected: 🅝 (U+1F15D), 🄽 (U+1F13D), 🅽 (U+1F17D), or 🇳 (U+1F1F3). If they're a finalist, there are the equivalent versions of "F": 🅕 (U+1F155), 🄵 (U+1F135), 🅵 (U+1F175), and 🇫 (U+1F1EB). <br />
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:I lean toward one of these two (out of those I listed): ▶ (U+25B6), ➤ (U+27A4). If you like the letters for "Nominated" and "Finalist", then I like 🇳 (U+1F1F3) and 🇫 (U+1F1EB). [https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/category/So This] is where I found these. Looks like they also have medals, too, for first (🥇 (U+1F947)), second (🥈 (U+1F948)), and third (🥉 (U+1F949)) places. That might be a little too fancy, though. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:47, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: I'm getting horrible flashbacks of sitting in meetings where a project manager and a graphic/UI designer were having a screaming fit about whether a white-i-in-a-blue-circle, or a question-mark-in-a-circle were best icons for this sort of link ;-)<br />
:: I do agree that "Details" might be a bit long, my initial thought was something like Heavy Asterisk ✱ (U+2731) and/or doing with the CSS to have a min-width on the link to make it easier to click on. <br />
:: However it then struck me - "Details" is perhaps overselling things for the majority of awards - in many cases, the award detail page doesn't (IIRC) have any info that isn't already shown on the ay.cgi list page. Could we perhaps do something like this for the link text:<br />
:: - if there's a number, show that (like we do at present)<br />
:: - if there's a note for the award - i.e. if the award_note_id is not NULL or zero - then show "More", an arrow icon, or something else that indicates there's more info available if the user wants it. (NB: we don't care what that info is, only if it exists, so there's no need to join onto the notes table in the underlying query)<br />
:: - if there's no note - i.e. award_note_id is NULL or zero - then show an asterisk, or some relatively uninteresting UI element, which facilitates clicking through to the award_details.cgi page, but doesn't mislead a user into thinking there's anything interesting to be found behind the link<br />
:: [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 16:27, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: I believe you are correct: the only thing that the Award page shows that isn't available on higher level "list" pages is Notes. I like the idea of having some kind of indicator to distinguish award records with Notes from award records without Notes. "More" is probably the most straightforward way to do it without adding clutter to the page.<br />
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::: Re: Unicode characters like 🇳 and 🇫, it's a complementary idea which can be addressed separately. We can certainly use them instead of asterisks for specific "award levels". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:46, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Here's a barebones implementation (less than a half-a-dozen lines changed) of what was discussed, at least as I understood/interpreted it<br />
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:::: My initial thought is that "More" makes that column a bit too wide; maybe instead use something like [https://prod.emojipedia.org/information/ one of these images]? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 17:57, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: We already use "&#x24d8;" to indicate that a record has Notes -- see the "Translations" table on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1302553 this page], so I guess we could use the same symbol on Award pages. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:22, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: {{FR|1579}}, "Display a mouse-over Notes bubble for award records with Notes", has been created. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:36, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Profit of Doom ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5712870; I'm starting to slowly go through ErsatzCulture's very useful list of books published only in the UK and this one had a note from the long-missing PV "Prof Beard" with a link to the photo, so I uploaded it. The publisher has about 20 books on ISFDB with either David Hardy or David A. Hardy as cover artist so it's very likely the same guy but a jacketed copy would need to be seen in order to know how he was credited. This book seems to have fallen off a cliff into a black hole because there's almost no info about it anywhere, so if anyone can do better and find an online copy or owns one then the artist will probably be able to be entered. Unless they didn't credit him at all. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:55, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Russian Sheckley ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/belaiasmertfanta0000shec; While fixing some title dates and adding a link to Dead Run re: Robert Sheckley's Stephen Dain novels I ran across this, an omnibus of all 5 of those books plus The Man in the Water, in case anyone fluent in Russian would like to enter that nearly 1,000-page monster. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:26, 8 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Series Map ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?2147; Should a map really be part of a series or is that a mistake that should be removed? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:52, 8 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Five Star Questions ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?933215; I've done a ton of edits for Five Star books today; 2 issues: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?933215, should those credits be separated since art is different? Also, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1150004, title date is November, book date is December, search of Google Books copy can't get a grasp on the copyright page credit, intro month needs adding, so anyone who can verify what's the month can fix title or book date and add month to intro. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:49, 8 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Trek Ladies ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5713417; There's no photo on Culbreath's Wikipedia so I found one but her writing partner Sondra Marshak has a photo of Vonda N. McIntyre on her Open Library page; I recognize it because some time ago I added 3 different versions of the same photo to her record here, each one better than the last, until I found the best one that's there now. Vonda's Open Library page has a much later photo that's correct because it shows up elsewhere online on pages re: her death. Any idea why her older photo is on the wrong page or why Culbreath's birth date on Wikipedia is several months later than what's here? Now that I think of it, it's possible Culbreath's photo isn't really her, either. Some older SF people here will probably recognize everyone and chime in. EDIT: Good Lord, it isn't her. An obituary on file770.com reveals that image is of Shirley S. Maiewski, another Trek writer, so I cancelled Culbreath and added the image to Maiewski. The mystery remains of what Culbreath and Marshak really look like and what's Culbreath's real birth date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:06, 8 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Witches Wraiths Warlocks ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?916737; I added 2 links to 1971 edition and 1 to 1973 edition, plus changed title from and to & like it says on cover and title page. Sadly, PV of all 3 editions is gone and 1988 edition says and on cover so he can't be asked if it's really & on title page and the 1 eBay copy shows back cover but not title page. So does anyone own the 1988 edition? Introduction would also need re-titling if it's &. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:10, 9 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Robert C. Goldston ==<br />
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{{A|Robert C. Goldston}} (1927-1982) was an American author who published 4 speculative fiction novels (we have 3 on file) and a significant amount of non-SF, some of it as by "James Stark". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:04, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I have added the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3206757 missing title] and sent a correction to SFE. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:02, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Our record currently links him to the "James Stark" who illustrated ''Nebula Science Fiction'' in 1956-1958. A SFE contributor has suggested that the US author and the UK artist were likely two different people. Would anyone happen to know more about this issue?<br />
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Also, we don't have Goldston's exact date of death on file. In a [https://groups.google.com/g/alt.obituaries/c/dlHahRx81_M 2017 Usenet/Google Groups discussion] one of the participants claimed to be Goldston's child and wrote:<br />
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* He died at the age of 54, in Palma de Mallorca on Jan 15 1982 after a short-lived and vicious battle against renal carcinoma. His death was attended by all of his family who would be the only ones who have this information, simply because nobody ever asked us.<br />
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I hesitate to add the date to our record without additional verification, but perhaps it may point someone else in the right direction. Palma de Mallorca is a Spanish city; perhaps a local/regional/national newspaper may have mentioned it? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:04, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I would take the cautionary way and add '1982-01-00' with an accompanying note that it has to be verified. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:23, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks for the feedback. Since we don't seem to be able to find a (semi)official source, I left it as "1982-00-00" and added the Usenet/Google Group quote to Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:57, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Re: the other point (the James Stark pseudonym): The Wikipedia entry states that he at "one time was a science-fiction cover artist under the pseudonym James Stark for Nebula Science Fiction.[6]" (the [6] referring to a now defunct source: sfcovers.net), so it seems quite possible that the two names belong to the same person, also for the cover artwork. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:23, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebula_Science_Fiction Wikipedia's article about ''Nebula Science Fiction''] mentions {{A|David A. Hardy}}'s article [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1560681 Art & Artists] in {{A|Robert Holdstock}}'s [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?204909 1978 ''Encyclopedia of Science Fiction'']. Checking page 129 of the book, I see that Hardy wrote:<br />
::* The Sottish-based magazine ''Nebula Science Fiction'', which appeared between 1952 and 1959, also gave cover space to artists including Eddie Jones, Alan Hunter, James Stark and Gerald Quinn. Stark's covers were often just that: severe portrayals of technology against which men were mere ants.<br />
:: Hardy doesn't mention the Goldston connection, which I suspect he would have done if he had been aware of it.<br />
:: ''Galactic Central'' [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/SFI/n01675.htm#A199 doesn't link] James Stark the artist to Robert C. Goldston either.<br />
:: It would appear that the only specialized bibliographic source that is not the ISFDB and that links the two people is the defunct SFcovers.net site -- see [https://web.archive.org/web/20140819040154/http://www.sfcovers.net/Artists/bpage017.htm this archived Web page]. It's even possible that they got the idea that the two authors/artists were the same person from us.<br />
:: Given the above, I would be inclined to break the Alternate Name link and document what we know in Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:28, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Hearing no objection, I have broken the link between the two author records, deleted/adjusted the VTs as needed and added Notes to both author records. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:26, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bear II ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive50#Bear; A copy of this was just uploaded and my edit adding a link was just approved; if anyone can stand to read it then it can be determined whether it's really genre or not. From skimming I get the feeling it's not, so deletion is possible. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:07, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Awards where the title has multiple authors, but some have declined ==<br />
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(This is a slightly edited version of an item I posted on Ahasuerus' page, but he suggested I post it here for wider opinion.)<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?205470 S. B. Divya] has announced that she declined 2 Hugo nominations. One is a novelette, and I've added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?78990 an appropriate entry for that], even if I guess it's not technically official until the stats report becomes available.<br />
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The other is more awkward, as it's a joint editorship of a semiprozine. I've added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?78952 a note] to explain the situation, and to try to pre-empt any complaints. However, this isn't visible on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3137421 the title page] or [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/eaw.cgi?205470 her award page].<br />
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One "solution" would be to unlink the award from the title, which I think might then allow you to edit the authors? I'm definitely not going to try that without a second or third opinion, and losing the link to the title record doesn't seem good. There might be some hack with editing the award_author value to lose the leading "S. B. Divya+", but I don't think that would solve the problem with the title.cgi or eaw.cgi pages?<br />
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Ahasuerus' response:<br />
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"Some authors/editors accepting a nomination and some authors/editors declining it" is a scenario that I don't think I have seen before. I can't think of a way to handle it given the current database schema, but perhaps I am missing something. I would suggest starting a discussion on the Community Portal to see if other editors may have other ideas.<br />
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Anyone got any thoughts on how we might be able to best handle this? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 11:57, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I consider our awards pages an extension of our publication pages, not our author pages. So I'd just add a note in the second case and that will be it - in the same way how we won't delete a book just because an author is now embarrassed of it (or something). If they are on the title record and the title wins an award, we mark it as such. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:15, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: At the moment we have two types of awards: title-based awards and "everything else" awards. We also have outstanding requests to add support for author awards ({{FR|583}}), publisher awards ({{FR|269}}) and series awards (no FR yet), but no work has been done on them as of yet.<br />
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:: For title-based awards, we link award records directly to title records. Our software then uses the linked title's author(s) and title when displaying the award; there is no way to have an award record display different authors or a different title. Award records are then given a "nomination level", which can be anything from "win" to "finalist" to "ineligible" to "withdrawn -- nomination declined".<br />
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:: This approach reflects how actual awards are structured reasonably well most of the time, but we have seen borderline cases which our software didn't support. For example, if an award has no provisions for an author withdrawing a nominated title, it's possible for a text to be both "nominated" and "withdrawn".<br />
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:: The situation described above reflects another issue with our model. If a title has multiple authors/editors and a subset of the authors/editors declines the nomination, we have no way of capturing the scenario in the database outside of Notes.<br />
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:: I guess one way to handle it at the data model level would be to create a separate "accepted/declined" multi-field with one value per author. It would be fairly time-consuming to implement and we would want to make sure that this solution doesn't have any holes in it before we create an FR. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:08, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: I really don't think that we need more than notes here. When all authors decline a nomination, the title is not nominated - we can handle this case already. When at least one does not decline, the title gets nominated and can even win - these are nominations for the texts, not for the authors after all. What happens if someone gets an award somewhere and a year later decides to withdraw (because they just learned about it and really dislike the body giving the award for example)? Or if whoever gives the award ignores a nomination rejection? I think we should just use the notes to document the cases where a rejection does not influence the title becoming a nominee/winner... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:33, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: For the moment, I've edited the note on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?205470 her page]; more than happy if someone else wants to refine the wording. I don't think we need to do anything with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3137421 the EDITOR title record], as that doesn't show any author/editor names in the awards section. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:06, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: I disagree with adding this note to the author's Summary Bibliography page. It is not our function to highlight what is really a personal decision. As bibliographers, were record the award and leave it at that. I'm fine with moving the note to the award record. Even if the consensus agrees with the current placement, the comment regarding our software is inappropriate and should be removed. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:53, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::: I agree - the note does not belong on the author note level - it should be on the award level - that is where it is relevant. I'd be ok for it to be on the title level (for better visibility) but it definitely does not belong on the author level. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:26, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::: You may be unsurprised to find that I disagree. I don't think we should have a page saying "Author X was a nominee for Award Y" when they have made [https://sbdivya.com/fwords/2023/6/29/withdrawing-from-hugo-nominations a clear public statement] that they have not. I think people would understand if we explicit acknowledge this error is due to technical reasons; obviously it would be better if that info only appears on the page it is pertinent to (the awards tab of the author page; it's not needed on the summary, alphabetical or chronological pages), but again that's not something currently supported. As I said, I'm more than happy for others to finesse the wording, but I feel we need to acknowledge the info shown is incorrect for reasons that we're not able to fix currently.<br />
::::::: It's barely 6 months since a blow-up which ended up with [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Speculative_Fiction_Database#History this] (final para of History section, see also [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Internet_Speculative_Fiction_Database#Refusal_to_update_author's_name_change Talk page]) and [https://www.patreon.com/posts/76590909 this] and various luminaries criticizing this site e.g. [https://twitter.com/pnh/status/1603369239091376128 Tor editor-in-chief], [https://twitter.com/JonathanStrahan/status/1603174740654718976 Locus reviews editor and anthologist], [https://twitter.com/aphoebebarton/status/1603886416534069253 SFWA Director-at-Large]. (There are a load more than those three, but the broken Musk-era Twitter is only showing them to me on the Android app, not the web version.) I imagine most of the editors here understand the structure of the database and site, but this stuff isn't apparent or easily understood to the wider audience. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 16:45, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::I think that was blown way out of proportion. While they claim to have been trying for "over a year", they never posted here (or on any of the other discussion pages) until [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB%3AModerator_noticeboard&type=revision&diff=651183&oldid=650924 14 Dec 2022] about their concerns. Once we knew about the concerns, they were completely addressed [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB%3AModerator_noticeboard&type=revision&diff=651480&oldid=651444 within about 5 days]. Their whining on Twitter and the coverage by Sanford were extremely one-sided and rather disingenuous. My guess is that the changes submitted (whatever they were, and whenever they were) didn't include appropriate documentation. Sanford also mischaracterized an editor's rather bigoted comment as by a "moderator", which was clearly false (not everyone who posts on that noticeboard is a moderator). We try to be as accommodating as possible, but when what they are complaining about is historical, they really don't have much ground to stand on. We document information as it was at the time of publication. We don't have a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministries_in_Nineteen_Eighty-Four#Ministry_of_Truth Ministry of Truth] that wipes out historical information. All things considered, I think we did a great job handling the issue once it was brought to our attention. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:04, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::: I agree that the issue, once posted on the Moderator Noticeboard, was handled expeditiously. As I wrote below, "when Lee Mandelo [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard/Archive_31#Records_Correction_-_Name_.26_Profile_Display asked to have our records updated to make "Lee Mandelo" the canonical name] in December 2022, we requested additional information to support the notion that "Lee Mandelo" was "the most recognized in-genre name" as per the ISFDB policies. Once the supporting information was provided, the canonical name was changed."<br />
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:::::::::: That said, the scenario where "the changes submitted (whatever they were, and whenever they were) didn't include appropriate documentation" is fairly common. There is a big knowledge gap between casual ISFDB users and experienced ISFDB contributors, especially moderators. When reviewing a new contributor's submission which seems to go against ISFDB rules, it's important to query the contributor to determine what the intent of the submission was. It's been my experience that many seemingly wrong or even nonsensical submissions contain good information once you figure out what the submitter was trying to do. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:58, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::::Perhaps we should add something like the following to '''all''' database editing forms. If it was placed at the top, and made very obvious (perhaps put it in a box with a yellow background?), it might help alleviate such issues:<br />
:::::::::::<blockquote>When submitting new information or changes to existing information, please include in the ''Moderator Note'' field references to where you got the information. This can be URLs to specific web pages, book or magazine titles and page numbers, that you spoke directly with a relevant person (please include details of the conversation), or anything else that will help us verify the changes you are submitting. This information should also be included in the publication or title note fields, as well. Doing this will help speed up the process of approving the submitted changes. Thank you!</blockquote><br />
:::::::::::Thoughts? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:35, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::::: A few things come to mind:<br />
::::::::::::* We could limit the display of the proposed "yellow box" to editors with fewer than 20 Wiki posts. It would be similar to the way we color-code submission rows on the Moderator Queue page. The text could start with something like "Hi! Since you haven't made many posts on the ISFDB Wiki, it looks like you are a new editor. Please be aware that the ISFDB database and its data entry rules are complex and may not be intuitive at first glance. When submitting new information or changes to existing information, please include [etc].<br />
::::::::::::* We should use "Note field" as opposed to "publication or title note fields" because the proposed box will appear on all Edit pages.<br />
::::::::::::* I am not sure asking new editors to duplicate what they enter in regular Notes in Moderator Notes would be a good idea.<br />
::::::::::::* This topic probably merits a separate Community Portal section since we are up to 12 levels of indentation.<br />
:::::::::::: [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:13, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::: I see three separate issues here. The first one is the accuracy of our data. The second one is the substance of ISFDB policies and what various people think of them. The third one is whether our practices match our policies. <br />
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:::::::: Re: accuracy, our software doesn't let us create a comprehensive picture of award records where only some of the co-authors/co-editors declined a nomination (outside of Notes.) There are three primary ISFDB pages which display this award in an incomplete manner due to software limitations:<br />
::::::::* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?78952 the award record]<br />
::::::::* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3137421 the EDITOR title record]<br />
::::::::* {{A|S. B. Divya}}'s [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/eaw.cgi?205470 Award Bibliography page]<br />
:::::::: I think it would be best to have a note on all 3 of these Web pages in order to make sure that we don't inadvertently mislead our users with incomplete data. At this time the Award record and the Author record already have notes while the Title record doesn't have a note.<br />
:::::::: In addition, we may want to clarify the language of the note. Something like "Note that the ISFDB award record for ''Escape Pod - 2022'' states that it was nominated for the 2023 Hugo award, which is only partially accurate due to software limitations. One of the co-editors, S. B. Divya, declined the nomination on 2023-06-29 while the other co-editor, Mur Lafferty, remains nominated as of 2023-07-10. See the award record for details."<br />
:::::::: Re: the substance of ISFDB policies and what various people think of them, as the ISFDB FAQ says, we do not have official social media presence. If someone wants to suggest a change to the ISFDB policies, they are welcome to post on the Rules and Standards page.<br />
:::::::: Re: the issue of whether our practices match our policies, when Lee Mandelo [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard/Archive_31#Records_Correction_-_Name_.26_Profile_Display asked to have our records updated to make "Lee Mandelo" the canonical name] in December 2022, we requested additional information to support the notion that "Lee Mandelo" was "the most recognized in-genre name" as per the ISFDB policies. Once the supporting information was provided, the canonical name was changed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:41, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::The problem comes up in several scenarios with title based awards. Those awards currently have a one to one relationship with a title record. Thus, for a title based award, we will always display the Title and Author fields from title record. I believe that schema for the awards table has its own title and author fields, and they used to be exposed and could vary from that of the title record. I had been using that feature to record differences between who was nominated vs who is on the title record when they varied, but [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] asked me to stop doing that in a prior discussion and we cleaned up any records where they differed. Aside from the current question (a nomination does not list all the editors for the magazine), we also have issues of having to enter multiple awards for a single nomination (same magazine for the 2023 Hugos, as there was a change in editors). We've had issues where the nominees for a title include someone in addition to the author of that title (see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?63684 2019 Best Art Book] which was awarded to Charles Vess and Le Guin). We've also had instances where the title of the work differs from the title as published (see this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?68201 2021 Novelette nominee] which was nominated as "Helicopter Story" which is the author's preferred title).<br />
:::::::::I think one way to solve these problems would be to allow the title and author fields for the award to vary from that of the linked title. I would also recommend that a single award could be linked to multiple title records. The award could then be listed in the author's award list for those authors from the award record and in all the title records that are linked. I'm not sure how radical a change that would be, though I suspect linking one award to multiple titles would be non-trivial. However, it would solve the issues noted above. I had seen Divya's announcement, but planned to wait to add the withdrawal until the Hugo statistics are published after the award ceremony. I hadn't worried about the magazine credit, because I'm used to the fact that magazine awards frequently do not reflect the persons nominated due to our software. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:25, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::::: Sorry about the delay; I am still thinking about the issues raised in your comments. There are some similarities with the way we handle REVIEW records. I am also trying to figure out how any future changes may affect the outstanding FRs for series-, publisher- and author-based awards. Lots of implications to consider. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:34, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::::::* Back when title-based award records had separate titles and author names associated with them, it could -- and did -- cause data consistency problems. Let me use a real life example. Suppose an editor creates an award record for a cover by {{A|Mel Odom}} and links it to the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1476319 COVERART record]. A year or two later another editor discovers that Mel Odom the writer and Mel Odom the artist are two different people, then changes the COVERART record to be associated with "Mel Odom (artist)". At that point the COVERART record is associated with "Mel Odom (artist)" while the award record is associated with "Mel Odom". The same thing could -- and did -- happen when editors corrected the spelling of author names and/or titles. Over time it resulted in a significant number of discrepancies.<br />
::::::::::::* Adding support for "titles and title authors as stated in the award nomination" wouldn't automatically address the issue that this discussion started with. What we are dealing with is a title record with two authors and two (effective) nomination records, one "nominated" and the other one "declined", a different scenario.<br />
::::::::::::* From a purely technical perspective, the way award authors were originally captured in the database was very poor. Instead of having a separate table to capture the "one title - many authors" relationship that a properly designed database would have, the award table had a single "award_author" field. If an award was associated with multiple authors, they were all entered in the same field using "+" signs as delimiters. Anyone familiar with database design knows that this is a terrible idea which causes no end of problems. If we were to separate "title authors" and "title authors as stated in the award nomination", we would need to redesign and re-implement this part of the software. It would be doable, but non-trivial given how many different Web pages and internal data structures would be affected. The same table and field(s) are used by "untitled" awards, so they would be affected as well. If we were to add support for "transliterated titles/author names" -- as may be needed to capture non-English awards -- it would make an even bigger project.<br />
::::::::::::* Award committees frequently use different forms of author names, including collective names like "The Brothers Hildebrandt", interchangeably. The first ballot may use one form of the name, the final ballot another and the name on the award document a third one. We'd have to come up with data entry rules for these scenarios.<br />
::::::::::::* Letting title-based awards be linked to multiple title records is an interesting idea. It would require a fair amount of work, but it wouldn't raise the same design issues that adding support for "titles and title authors as stated in the award nomination" would raise.<br />
:::::::::::: That's all I have been able to think of for now. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:06, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::::::I fired up my MySQL instance (from a 2021 backup) and I see some of what you mean. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:08, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::: Although awards-related tables haven't changed since 2021, I would recommend using the latest MySQL backup file to ensure that we are all looking at the same data structures. New tables and fields are added reasonably frequently; I added recognized_domains just a couple of weeks ago. Barring that, [[Database Schema]] should be up to date and display more information than MySQL's "describe" command. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:36, 20 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::::::: I actually recall using the + signs in my very early days of editing here. It does look like is an intermediate table that could be used to link one award to many titles (title_awards). Of course, the software would have to be altered to look at it that way. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:08, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::: I believe you are right about "title_awards": it should be able to support a "one award - many titles" relationship as it currently exists. The problem lies in the software, which assumes that there can be only one title record per "title-based award" record. For example, the "Link Award" page tells you to enter "0 to break the link" between the displayed title-based award and its title record. It would have to be changed to be more like the "Make Alternate Name" page, which lets you specify which parent-title relationship to remove. Doable, but it would take time. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:36, 20 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::::::: Despite the sloppiness of some award committees in changing credits and titles, I think we are trying to model a real world object (an award) that naturally has a title and authors. Since they don't necessarily match our data model (for books, etc.) we run into the problems I mentioned earlier as well as the issue that spurred this topic. I do think that having distinct award titles and authors that differ from title record titles and authors would solve this issue. We would still need to have two records in the awards table (1 for the declined nomination and 1 for the nomination). I think maybe if I explain the use case. The award records would include:<br />
:::::::::::::* Record 1 - Title: Escape Pod; Authors: Mur Lafferty, Valerie Valdes, Benjamin C. Kinney... (there are 7 editors, assistant editors, etc listed in the nomination; award level nomination, linked to titles {{T|3137421}} and {{T|3133670}}.<br />
:::::::::::::* Record 2 - Title: Escape Pod; Authors: '''S. B. Divya''', Mur Lafferty, Valerie Valdes, Benjamin C. Kinney... (there are 7 editors, assistant editors, etc listed in the nomination; award level withdrawn nomination declined, linked to titles {{T|3137421}} and {{T|3133670}}. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:08, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::: This is a very interesting example since it raises an issue that I haven't considered before. [https://www.thehugoawards.org/hugo-history/2023-hugo-awards/ This nomination], like a number of other recent nominations, lists a number of people who are -- explicitly -- not editors. The list reads:<br />
::::::::::::::* co-editors Mur Lafferty & Valerie Valdes; Assistant editors Benjamin C. Kinney & Premee Mohamed, host Tina Connolly, producers Summer Brooks and Adam Pracht<br />
:::::::::::::: The question that it raises in my mind is whether this award should be linked to our EDITOR record, which is limited to two co-editors. I am thinking that it's best described as an "editorial team award" and should be entered as an "untitled award" instead. Not only would it, arguably, be a more accurate representation of the relationship between the award record and other ISFDB records, but it would also make the award record appear on {{A|Benjamin C. Kinney}}'s, {{A|Premee Mohamed}}'s, {{A|Tina Connolly}}'s and {{A|Adam Pracht}}'s Award Bibliography pages (Summer Brooks doesn't have an author record in the database.) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:36, 20 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::::::::I would argue that entering magazine awards as untitled awards would not be what most users would expect. The category for the award, semiprozine, is for the all the issues of a magazine for a calendar year. The EDITOR title record (or records) is the only title record that we have for magazines and fanzines. I think folks would expect to see the award in question listed on those title records. This would be especially confusing if we used untitled awards only in cases where the named persons in the award for a given magazine differ from those we list in the author field of EDITOR titles for the year. I think the ''Escape Pod'' nomination is an excellent example of the issues with magazine awards. It has both multiple EDITOR records for the calendar year, and differences between persons listed on the award vs listed in our title records. I do understand that software changes would be required for any of the changes I've proposed, and that we have limited resources for making such changes. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:01, 20 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::Both awards would be displayed in the award pages as is currently done. The software could be altered to display the records in the authors list based on the authors in the award record. Thus, S. B. Divya would show only record 2, whereas Mur Lafferty would show both records 1 & 2. The software would also be altered to display the awards on each linked title record, but the title records would not cause the linked award to propagate its authors' records. <br />
:::::::::::::This approach would solve the problems of not showing the non-declined nomination on Divya's award list. It would also solve the problem of having to have multiple award records in order to link to multiple title records. Lastly, this would also allow us to include authors (assistant editors, podcast hosts) that are in the official nomination, but who we don't credit in our title records. The one wrinkle I thought of after my original post, was that we potentially have variant titles or variant author names that do not exist in our database. One solution to that would be to allow the creation of titles and authors that only appear because of an award. Variants would roll up to the canonical records as they currently do.<br />
:::::::::::::Regarding the sub-optimal author arrangement in the awards table. I agree that it should be changed, but I don't see that it would be necessary in order to allow the author name on the award to be editable, and to allow it to differ from that of the linked title. After all, it worked that way a few years ago, until editing those fields on the award record was locked down.<br />
:::::::::::::Agreed that we would have to come up with rules as to what the authoritative source is for award recipients and titles. This is currently an issue. I try to match the award to the title that matches the title and name announced for the award rather than linking them to our canonical title record. They roll up anyway. <br />
:::::::::::::I think this approach solves a number of problems. If others agree, it still sounds like the required changes would be extensive and non trivial. Perhaps there are incremental changes that could be made to move us forward. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:08, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::: @Ahasuerus re your final 2 paras. Fair point: I'll try to put something together to post over the next 2 days, although given that researching the Chengdu/Hugo stuff seems to turn up a new weird-and-wonderful thing every day (not all necessarily relevant to ISFDB), I'm not sure it might take a bit longer. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:31, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::::::: Apologies for not coming back on this; I've been preoccupied with other things the last few days. Re. some of the points raised, I know that there was a lot of work done to get the records changed; my concern is that a lot of ill will seemed to be generated due to initial stonewalling (or at least, the perception of it) by pointing to the existing Rules & Standards as a reason not to make those changes. I'll try to get a proposal posted by Sunday at the latest. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 12:52, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::::: No problem. Re: the "perception of stonewalling", I suspect that it's related to the previously mentioned gap between what new contributors know about the data entry rules and what moderators know about them. When a moderator says "This isn't how we enter bibliographic data", it's based on multiple layers of understanding of what the rules say and why they say what they say. In the case mentioned above, once the rules and the reasoning behind them were explained in detail, Lee Mandelo realized that we were missing a significant amount of relevant information and provided it in a follow-up comment. It clarified the situation, at which point we were able to clean up and reorganize the data quickly.<br />
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:::::::::::: Based on that discussion we added [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#How_does_the_ISFDB_deal_with_author_name_changes.3F a new entry] to the ISFDB FAQ, but it's relatively short. Perhaps we should create a new Help page or template explaining that we make a distinction between legal names, socially used names and professionally used "working names" and the reasons why the data entry rules are the way they are. Basically a summary of what I wrote in response to Lee Mandelo's original post. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:53, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::::::: Sorry for making an already complicated item even more messed up, but I only just noticed Rtrace's comment from a week ago: "I had seen Divya's announcement, but planned to wait to add the withdrawal until the Hugo statistics are published after the award ceremony. I hadn't worried about the magazine credit, because I'm used to the fact that magazine awards frequently do not reflect the persons nominated due to our software." It definitely crossed my mind about whether I was jumping the gun on making those edits based on what an author said, as opposed to what the award body had publicly stated. If it had just been a regular single author record that had been declined, I wouldn't have changed anything; it was the magazine credit that concerned me. Given that was backed up by the author's statement, which mentioned both nominations, I made the (debatable, I'm more than happy to concede) decision to address both of them. Next time something like this comes up, I'll raise it here rather than making pre-emptive edits. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:19, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::::::::::No worries, I'm just a little hesitant since the notice of declination didn't come from the official source. I suspect there are other declined nominations that we don't know about. They all should be reported in the official nomination statistics that are released after the ceremony. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:08, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Contacting Kenneth R. Johnson ==<br />
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Can anyone tell me how? I found some vintage SF pornos that he should know about, and add to his bibliography, if he ever revises it. Thanks for any help. —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 14:34, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Never mind. Phil S-P helped me get in touch with him. —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 02:28, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Poem/Story ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5703635; If anyone's interested, I think it's a story, mod disagrees, hardly matters because it seems to be some squib from a much earlier play or something so if the link isn't added it wouldn't be much of a loss. I made a more helpful edit adding the Encyclopedia.com link I mentioned and also the archived jmichaelyates.com site, which goes back many years, because his site currently online is weird with many links going to an error page but other pages working just fine. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:36, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:[[User:Username|Username]] omitted one piece of important information. {{Locus}} lists this as a poem in their entry for {{P|34858|Tesseracts 8}} which contains the item. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:02, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yeah. Also, the Encyclopedia.com mention is in the discussion with mod on my user page, not in the rejection above. Just to clarify. A reply from anyone would be helpful so I can leave this minor edit behind; I've got 1,000 others waiting to be approved. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:27, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: The work is short fiction not poetry. I've added an internet archive link onto the author's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?116209 Summary Bibliography]. Open the site and select the short fiction tab. Open the drop down list on your left and you will see the story. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:33, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Yay. Also, RTrace, while I'm here I noticed you added some Star Trek slash fiction, Companion, and the cover artist is Gayle F. but it's signed Feyrer, who is on ISFDB as the cover artist for a later non-Trek magazine, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=gayle+f&type=Name. Whose name do you consider the parent so I can make a variant? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:40, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::OK, thanks John for finding that. I've approved the submission.<br />
:::::Regarding Gayle F./Gayle Feyrer, [https://fanlore.org/wiki/Gayle_F Fanlore] lists her as "Gayle F" which I suspect is how she is most frequently credited. It also appears that she also uses the pseudonym "Sylvia Knight", though we have no titles using that byline. In any case, I'd go with "Gayle F." as canonical. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:06, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::Feyrer has been made a variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:06, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Malcolm for President ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5704973 this submission] to update {{T|24965|this title}}. There is an Amazon review asserting that this is an original story, though based on characters from the television series, which would seem to make the novelization flag invalid. However, I'm not certain that this title is eligible at all. From skimming reviews, I don't detect anything speculative about the novel. I also would question whether the authors {{A|Dan Danko}} and {{A|Tom Mason}} are above the threshold. If we determine that they are, I think the title should be marked as non-genre. What are other folks' opinions on whether this title should be deleted? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:04, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I don't see anything genre or even genre-adjacent in the novel either. Nor I see a reason for the authors to be considered above threshold. So I vote to delete the book altogether. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:48, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Hearing nobody coming to this title's defense. I will zap it. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:43, 19 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Fright Night Covers ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?289979; [https://web.archive.org/web/20071008121652im_/http://www.craigspector.com/frightnight.cover.jpg]; So I have been doing some Skipp & Spector edits, the splatterpunk co-authors who were so popular back in the 80s and 90s, and I discovered that Craig Spector's homepage URL now links to some foreign (Vietnamese?) site so I replaced it with the archived version which goes all the way back to 2005. While looking through the site I found that cover linked above; the Tor edition on ISFDB shows the villain of the movie, the head vampire played by Chris Sarandon, but the cover on Spector's site shows a totally different cover with one of the villain's minions, the girlfriend of the movie's teenage hero, played by Amanda Bearse, who would become famous a few years later for playing Al Bundy's neighbor Marcy on Married With Children. So was it re-released with a different cover? Is it an early mock-up that was changed before release? I'd like to know if anyone knows. It could have been worse; they could have used another one of the villain's minions, the hero's friend Evil Ed, on the cover, played by Stephen Geoffreys, who gave up mainstream acting in the early 90s and pursued a career in hardcore gay porn. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:13, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Doubleday First Edition ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?266014; https://archive.org/search?query=clickwhistle; https://www.ebay.com/itm/153845632156; I replaced cover image with another Amazon one with a different URL that looks exactly the same but is much bigger. I wanted to add the Archive.org link but over time I've come to realize that a lot of Doubleday (and probably many other publishers) books I and others here have linked to may not have been the true first edition because, as can be seen in the links above, the 1 useful copy on eBay shows the copyright page with "First Edition" while the archived copy does not say that. So is there a way to tell which edition it is? Gutter codes or something? EDIT: Also this, https://archive.org/search?query=watkins+the-god-machine. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:58, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zebra ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?52948; I'm trying to get this page down to zero. What I've done today is add Kensington Publishing to publisher for 1987 edition of Time-Kissed Destiny because that's what it says on title page (also added author's note on last page); first edition of Once In a Lifetime already has Kensington in it on ISFDB. So ElectricStarboard, who entered the later editions of those 2 novels, may want to chime in with whether they have Kensington on their title pages so it can be added. That Warren Smith book is 70s "non-fiction" junk about space pyramids and should be deleted. I asked NihonJoe about whether his PV copy of Book of Space says Kensington and he put my edit on hold a long time ago but never responded so I cancelled it; if he reads this maybe he can say now what it says on title page. Dracula's Guest, which I just made an edit for fixing the cover artist (turns out it's not Greg Theakston but rather the mysterious FMA, who has about a dozen ISFDB credits), has 1 copy on eBay with photos but doesn't show title page. As far as Death Screen, I don't know, can't find it anywhere. So after my Time-Kissed edit is approved and Book of Space has Kensington added, I hope, and the pyramid book is deleted, that will just leave 4 books. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:51, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Joe just fixed Book of Space; only a few more to go. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:31, 26 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Geller the Artist ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=geller&type=Name; M. Geller is almost certainly Martin Geller because they did covers for a single St. Martin's Press book each, one in '78 and one in '79. However, the credit for Infinite Dreams by Martin says design, not art, so probably shouldn't have any credit except in notes. So should it be moved to notes and M.'s legal name be made Martin (this is assuming, of course, that M.'s credit really says art in the book like it says in the PV's notes)? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 02:14, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mary Shelley Award for Outstanding Fiction ==<br />
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I'd like to add this award to the ISFDB data base -- here is a list of past recipients https://media-ecology.org/Past-Awards (scroll down for Mary Shelley Award) [[User:PaulLev|PaulLev]] ([[User talk:PaulLev|talk]]) 20:27, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I am not familiar with Media Ecology Association, but their [https://media-ecology.org/board Executive Board] and the list of present/past officers include a number of scholars at accredited universities, so it appears to be legitimate. [https://media-ecology.org/Past-Awards Award recipients] include {{A|Ted Chiang}}, {{A|William Gibson}} and {{A|Ernest Cline}}. Curiously, they are associated with [https://media-ecology.org/affiliations The Institute of General Semantics] which was founded by Alfred Korzybski, who influenced a number of SF authors like van Vogt and Heinlein back in the day. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:23, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: I'm not sure a win for Ready Player One does much for their credibility /s {{unsigned|ErsatzCulture}}<br />
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::: I realize that it's a joke, but let me clarify for the benefit of new editors. We determine whether an award is legitimate based on what kind of organization administers it and for what purpose. Awards given by publishers or promotional/advertising companies to promote their clients' books and stories are generally not considered "real" awards for our purposes and are not included. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:07, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: Sorry - more than happy for that cheap gag to be removed/struckthrough/whatever, if you think that would be best. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 13:40, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: No worries, it created an opportunity to clarify our eligibility criteria. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:09, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: But seriously, this looks like a good addition to my eyes. I have a couple of questions relating to practicalities, which maybe PaulLev knows the answer to:<br />
:: * What exactly is the eligibility period? [https://media-ecology.org/Call-for-Nominations This page asking for 2024 nominations] says "Open to novels, short stories, hypertexts, plays, scripts, comics, audio recordings, motion pictures, videos, and other narrative forms, published or released in 2019 or later...", so is it a rolling 5-year period? (TBH, if that's the case, that's pretty cool - one of my problems with awards is that they're all seemingly based on the past 12 months, which privileges stuff that has a lot of hype and frontloaded readership.)<br />
:: * Besides that list of recipients, is there any sort of press release that has more details about the winners? I know when I've added stuff like this year's Locus finalists, when you get down to some of the more obscure categories where nominees weren't already in the database, tracking them down, working out if their pubs are eligible for inclusion here, etc can require a fair bit of legwork. If there's some info about the winners published, that would help in reducing that burden.<br />
:: * I looked up 2017's winner on [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Surveys-Novel-Semiotext-Native-Agents/dp/1584351780/ Amazon UK], and it doesn't appear to have any speculative element. For such works, I guess doing an "untitled award", with a note saying it's not speculative, is the way to go? (Again, any PR that describes the winning work will be helpful in determining the speculative-ness.) For awards like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_category.cgi?860+1 Goodreads Choice Mystery & Thriller category], we only add the speculative works, but given there's just a single winner here, maybe having an untitled entry will make it clearer?<br />
:: {{unsigned|ErsatzCulture}}<br />
::: Good questions! 1. Yes, the eligibility period is a rolling 5-years. 2. This announcement is put up on the Internet every year https://media-ecology.org/2023-MEA-Awards 3. The only criterion is "fiction" -- so, yes, in principle, there could be an award given to a work that is fiction, but not speculative fiction. But as far as I can tell, that happens very rarely. Also, the award is not given every year. [[User:PaulLev|PaulLev]] ([[User talk:PaulLev|talk]]) 13:10, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Hearing no objection, I have created an Award Type record and entered these awards for the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_category.cgi?1071+1 SF titles that we have on file]. I didn't create "untitled" award records for non-genre titles. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:55, 23 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Thanks! [[User:PaulLev|PaulLev]] ([[User talk:PaulLev|talk]]) 23:25, 24 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cordwainer Smith Rediscovery Award ==<br />
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Rich Horton [https://rrhorton.blogspot.com/2023/07/cordwainer-smith-rediscovery-award-for.html posted] about this year's winner, and I went to add them, only to find this award doesn't currently exist in the database. TBH it's one that I only had vague awareness of, but it does have [http://www.sfadb.com/Cordwainer_Smith_Rediscovery_Award SFADB] and [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/cordwainer_smith_rediscovery_award SFE] pages, and has been going for just over 20 years.<br />
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In essence, it's a single category award, just a winner, no nominees or finalists, and is to an author who the judges felt does/did not get as much attention as they deserved. Most of the past winners are names that I recognize, even if I think I've only read half-a-dozen or so of them. (Possibly the sort of scenario that the award was set up to address?)<br />
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[http://www.cordwainersmith.com/award.htm The award's site] lists who has been on the judging panel; again they're people I recognize and who are respected in the field. (Although it looks like that page hasn't been updated for a decade?) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 03:57, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I thought we already had an Award Type for this fairly well-known award, but apparently not. Must have been an oversight. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:51, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: I must confess all the less-well known awards named after people who were active years ago blur into one in my mind - the non-Astounding Campbell, Crawford, Crook, Wellman, this one - blur into one in my mind.<br />
:: If and when this gets set up, I'll add all the winners - should be pretty straightforward compared to the likes of Hugo and Locus. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 11:04, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Since this is a no-brainer, I have created an [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?109 Award Type record] for it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:16, 19 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: Thanks - unless someone else beats me to it, I'll probably add all the winners on Saturday. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 12:01, 19 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::: A day later than I'd promised, but these are all in now. Thanks again for adding it. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:02, 23 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:27, 23 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Alex Gordon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?6359; The essays are by this person, https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0329966/, but they may not be eligible since he usually wrote about old movies in his long-running column for Fangoria. If they are eligible, some variant is needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:43, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Watson Bon-Bon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=de+bon-bon&type=All+Titles; Copy of BBR #11 just uploaded, I made an edit adding link and adding/fixing other stuff, this Watson work was in French originally and reprinted in English in this zine, never collected, but as can be seen capitalization, subtitle, and whether it's fiction or essay are issues. So it's for someone else to decide what's best re: those things. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:20, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Fake Ring ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=ring00pier&sort=-addeddate; While adding links to 2 copies of Piers Anthony's 1968 Ace edition of The Ring I found a 3rd copy on Open Library but it's actually a completely different thing, a sampler of some T. A. Barron books, in case anyone thinks that's worth entering. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:30, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Canonical name change Willard E. Hawkins from Willard Hawkins ==<br />
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Any objections to making [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?13700 Willard E. Hawkins] the canonical name and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?13701 Willard Hawkins] the alternate? <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] ([[User talk:Scifibones|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Scifibones|contribs]]) .</small> 05:38, 19 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: No objections here. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:09, 19 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Hearing no objections, the relationship has been reversed. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:00, 25 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Chiller ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?961199; Someone named Aardvark entered this recently. I knew I'd seen that cover art before on one of Karl Edward Wagner's horror anthologies and I had, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1435921. So it apparently originated here, not the French book. Also, I saw on OL that Chiller is "based on" a 1972 novel by Sale, The Love Bite, whatever that means. Maybe that one belongs here, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:16, 19 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cover Artist: Ampersand Book Covers ==<br />
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We currently have a cover artist named [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?306339 Ampersand Book Covers]. I just found the website for that artist and was going to add it to the existing Author record but noticed that the [http://www.ampersandbookcovers.com/ website] shows the name as "Ampersand Book Cover Design". So far the only titles that are credited to this artist use "Ampersand Book Covers" as per the statements on their copyright pages. I have several new titles that are by this artist (not credited but definitely by this artist per the website portfolio page) and wonder if I should just use the existing artist after adding the website data and a note about the full name to the existing artist record or if I should use the full name from the website and make it a variant of the existing artist record. Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:20, 19 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I would credit 'Ampersand Book Covers' and a note in the canonical record. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:54, 20 July 2023 (EDT).<br />
: P.S. The pub still gets a note stating that the artist is uncredited. I 'm aware you know this already, but less experienced editors might be following this thread. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:39, 20 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Will do. Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:31, 20 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Green Knight ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15963; Philfreund, Chavey, GlennMcG, letting you all know LCCN isn't on their site, should be removed and put in notes section. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:04, 19 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The LOC site isn't always reliable for older LCCNs. It's likely still valid, just difficult to find. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:05, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Swedish Vampires ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5720694; After approval I'm sure those who are fluent in the language can improve upon my edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:52, 20 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Hound of Frankenstein ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?284512; I'm not sure why I added that ponderous link re: the prices in the note a long time ago because the back cover is on FantLab, but anyway, while adding a link today to FantLab and replacing cover with theirs I noticed there's no "The" on title page but there is in the first Mammoth Book of Frankenstein edition which I checked via the archived link. So if anyone can verify there's a "The" in all editions of that anthology then the story title should be separated and made a variant of the original title. Also, someone added full date to chapbook from Amazon UK but I don't know if anyone trusts them enough to add it to the story itself. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:08, 20 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== George Wells ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?24739; I've been doing a lot of edits for old Arthur Stockwell books (there's a huge gap between the last older book and the recent ones) and came upon George Wells. As someone wrote, there may be more than one; I suspect it's 4 different guys since it's not likely a very obscure British author would write an article for an American pulp zine 25 years later and it's also not likely that the author of a cheap paperback horror novel would write a couple of stories for a semi-literary anthology series more than 20 years later. Also, cover of Taurus on Amazon has $2.95 on the cover so either the price on ISFDB, $2.50, is wrong or there's at least one reprint. EDIT: 1 copy of Taurus on eBay, it's Canadian thus the higher $2.95 price, like DAW Books in the 1980s Signet Canadian editions start number line with 2, glad someone wrote a note about that in another 1982 Canadian Signet book on ISFDB otherwise I would have entered it as a second printing. Should be approved soon; hopefully someone will upload a copy of this book to Archive.org someday. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:56, 20 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I noticed this morning that another editor has separated old novel & article, '82 horror novel, and recent short stories into 3 separate Wells. While looking into this I discovered there's a George O. Wells but searching for his story title inside Archive.org I discovered it's George R. Wells, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5721607, so that's a bonus. There's also a G. A. Wells that wrote a story for a 1923 issue of Weird Tales the same year that a George Wells wrote the novel from Stockwell so could that be the same person? A lot of Brits wrote stories for that zine. EDIT: Jeez, it turns out the other entry in that zine with George R. Wells is wrong, too, it's Inside of a Piece of Sugar. There's nearly 100 issues of Science and Invention on ISFDB and I doubt I came across the 1 issue with wrong names/titles so a thorough check is probably needed. EDIT: Fixed this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3036272, quotes around Loaded. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:13, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Raw Brunettes ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1256247; Wild Women pub. history, searched on Google Books, says "first two sections" so that one should have (excerpt) after it and be separated from its full appearance in the Wordcraft book. I've been doing a lot of Wordcraft edits and their Speculative Writers series numbering is a mess, whether their fault or editors here I'm not sure, so that will probably need some discussion later on. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:19, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Paksenarrion World Chronicles ==<br />
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With the publication (and entry) of Elizabeth Moon's new collection [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3209577 Deeds of Youth], I have created a new series named [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?70445 Paksenarrion World Chronicles]. Would there be any objection to placing the older collection [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1856054 Deeds of Honor] in it as number 1? I'd also like to remove the series name in the title and the cover artist (who's actually credited as the cover designer) from [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?520995 this publication] which was sole PVed by the late Biomassbob. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:32, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:That would be fine. Please move the cover designer to the pub notes vs. completely removing. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:38, 23 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wrong Author and Their Variant ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5722391; I was going through Eerie, Indiana book series, got through first 4 before #5 only had a 3rd printing on Archive.org and I lost interest, but all of them (and I suspect the others, too) have a lot of missing/wrong info. Only 1 of the 4 was PV (O'Fearna) but 1 of the non-PV had a co-author who didn't co-write it. So now that I removed Mike Ford will the record for the book with his other name, Michael Thomas Ford, go away or does it have to be deleted or something? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:12, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The proper way to deal with the parent is with a merge. I took care of it for you. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:36, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bond, Stephen Bond ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5722846; Only 5 issues, none PV, all on Archive.org, figured I'd add links and a few minor things and that would be it, but of course I ran into trouble with the first issue (by the way, is the page count I entered correct?) because the Flying Saucer essay is by Stephen Lloyd, not Stephen Bond, but it is by Bond in the Fantastic Universe issue it originally appeared in. There's also the fact that a 2022 novel by a Stephen Lloyd was recently entered here so there goes that name. What would you like to be done? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:28, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I accepted the edit. Yes, that page count was correct - for magazines we include the covers in the page count. As for the essay, I will unmerge it, credit it to a Stephen Lloyd (I), variant to the original, and create a new alternate name. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:33, 23 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::3rd issue had alternate title of Kapp's story so I imported that and deleted the wrong title. This, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?327861, has no alternate title but checking UK New Worlds on Luminist.org it's "The High Road" but it's "High Road" in US issue. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?44455; it's "Waiting Grounds" in US issue, a title that apparently is not used anywhere else. EDIT: #5 seems OK so I think I'm done. I currently have 7 New Worlds edits plus 1 changing alternate title date of Kapp's story to match where it first appeared (more than 50 years earlier). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:30, 23 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Chaos Weapon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?9236; I added Archive.org link to 1977 US PB in PENDING edit, as note says it's DiFate on copyright page, no space, but credit here is for Di Fate. Correct name was entered here for the 2 1984 editions so 2 1977 editions (and French edition) should probably be the same; DiFate has dozens of credits here already. I count half-a-dozen active PV of this edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:18, 23 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== PSP ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5722877; Is there any word on whether Phil Stephensen-Payne is going to update to https? Because there are tens of thousands of images on ISFDB from his various sites. It's not exactly true that they don't display here, they do if you right-click and choose "Open image in new tab", but still. I just added an edit to his page here adding a link to a search engine at pulpflakes.com, chose Braunbeck at random and search engine immediately opened a new tab with the philsp.com record for Gary Braunbeck. This search engine IS https; come on, Mr. Payne, do the right thing and update your sites. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:13, 23 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ted Koppel ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?161708; I remember adding to this page a long time ago, photo and possibly bio info, but as I came across the name just now while looking at Phil Stephensen-Payne's record I wonder if the famous newsman is the right Koppel. He was born in England but moved to America long before the 2001 UK edition of this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1275674, where a Ted Koppel was co-author. Could there be a bio in the Harness work? Anyone own a copy? I assume if there is a different SF-related Koppel the 1979 essay in Starship would be by the same guy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:38, 23 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ingalls With Dirty Faces ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5724110; I was doing a whole mess of Rachel Ingalls edits and the very last one gave me trouble; is it just me or does anyone else see the replacement cover with black smudges on it? It doesn't look like the cover does on SFE. Amazon and SFE covers look pretty much the same so no real reason to replace it, anyway, I'd just like to know if I'm seeing things. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:58, 24 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Rage By FMA ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?166329; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?269444; I mentioned this cover artist in my Zebra message above, FMA did covers for paperbacks in the 1970s, today while adding a link to an article about Stephen King's 1977 Richard Bachman novel Rage on the Fox News (!) website I noticed the spine (which isn't shown in the cover on ISFDB) had something that looked like a signature and it turned out it's FMA. I can't find a single mention anywhere online but I find it hard to believe a rank amateur like myself discovered something like this so if anyone can point to somewhere that mentions it I'd appreciate it. In the meantime I've made an edit adding cover artist to Rage; there's also a later British NEL PB on ISFDB with different cover art so maybe someone here can identify that artist, too. Identifying FMA would also be great. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:07, 24 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== German J. Kirby ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?576053; Kirby died in 2001, this book is 2004, could be that the cover is re-used from some earlier English book, anyone recognize it so variant can be made? EDIT: I managed to figure this one out, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5724820, took a bit of looking because German cover here is the size of a postage stamp. I also did this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5724821. There are others which need more looking into, a Piper 7th printing with no cover and a German Good Omens cover which has 3 editions that credit Kirby but none of the English editions credit him (?); on the plus side, I saw an OL-only copy of the Berkley edition of Good Omens so I added a link to that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:54, 25 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:I'm slowly working through the German editions and printings of Pratchett when i get a hand on them and with that Josh Kirby's artwork. I'll merge or variant them, whenever i can. Sometimes not easy, sometimes the german publisher used cutouts, even from english backcovers. <br />
:Here's an example where i couldn't find an english pub with the same picture yet [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5725049 Omnibus "Gevatter Tod/Wachen Wachen"]. So far i only found it on an 2001 Discworld wall calendar, which isn't listed here.<br />
:This might also be the case with the german "Good Omens" covers, maybe it comes from a calendar or portfolio but was never used for an english edition.<br />
:[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5724820 This one] i have, i'd love to contribute a better image, but it's so shiny that scanning isn't possible, even a photo is tricky. Maybe some day when i figured out how to make a useable image. [[User:Welo|Welo]] ([[User talk:Welo|talk]]) 04:17, 26 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== New yellow warning for conflicting submissions ==<br />
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{{FR|1453}}, "New yellow warning for conflicting submissions", has been implemented. Post-submission review pages for Edit Record submissions have been updated to display yellow warnings if the currently displayed submission overlaps/conflicts with another Edit Record submission.<br />
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Please note that the new warning won't be displayed when there is a conflict between an EditPub submission and a related EditTitle submission, at least for now. This is due to performance issues, but it may be possible to address them in the future. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:27, 25 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Out of the Unknown ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?34126; None of the notes in the various editions really mention "Second Edition" on copyright page so someone more familiar with the history maybe can tell me which record this copy, https://archive.org/search?query=%22out+of+the+unknown%22+fantasy, belongs to so I can add a link to it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:59, 25 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== John Gregory ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?START=0&TYPE=Title&USE_1=author_canonical&O_1=exact&TERM_1=John%20Gregory&ORDERBY=title_title&C=AND]; Old pulp story and 70s SF novel aren't by the same John Gregory. Also, I made an edit adding OL ID to the novel and noting the bizarre situation where OL link to Archive.org leads to a Shakespeare book; searching for novel's title displays all of these, [https://archive.org/search?query=legacy-of-the-stars&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22]. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:13, 26 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Parker Poltergeist ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?860463; I was going to add something to the Parker edition's publisher name to differ it from the 40-years-later Parker but really it probably shouldn't be here, being "true" paranormal junk by an author below the threshold whose only relevant credits are some cover art many years later. Ace edition has 2 PV, one gone, one active but transient. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:06, 26 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== "Next Submission" link for self-approvers ==<br />
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Self-approvers now have access to the same "Next Submission" link that moderators have on post-submission review and post-approval pages. The difference is that the self-approvers' version of the "Next Submission" link takes them to the next submission created by themselves. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:19, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Looking for an old story ==<br />
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G'day,<br />
Does anybody know of any sites or forums that could help me find an old short story?<br />
Cheers. {{unsigned|Nailgun Johnny}}<br />
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: We have compiled a list of resources that may help identify stories and novels. It's listed in the [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#I_need_help_finding_a_book FAQ], but it's short enough to re-post it here:<br />
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:*[https://community.abebooks.com/s/forum-topic-results?language=en_US&topicId=0TO3n0000003yS1GAI&type=Community%20Forum Book Sleuth] on AbeBooks<br />
:*[https://www.reddit.com/r/printSF/ printSF] subreddit on Reddit<br />
:*[https://groups.google.com/g/rec.arts.sf.written?pli=1 rec.arts.sf.written] newsgroup<br />
:*[https://www.reddit.com/r/tipofmytongue/ Tip of My Tongue]<br />
:*[https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/185-what-s-the-name-of-that-book What's the Name of That Book???] on Goodreads<br />
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: HTH! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:32, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Or you could just give a description of the story here and let us try to figure it out. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 07:56, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Award display enhancement ==<br />
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Award records which have Notes associated with them now display a mouse-over bubble with the Notes text, e.g. see the "Awards" section of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2859162 this Title bibliography page]. The presence of mouse-over information is indicated by the &#x24d8; character, which is the same character that we use in the "Other Titles" section to indicate the presence of Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:20, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks for picking this up after I dropped the ball somewhat. One bug I just noticed: templates don't seem to be rendered in the bubble.<br />
: e.g. if you go to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ay.cgi?23+2023 this year's Hugos], and scroll down to Best Series, the text is rendered as { { S|Seriesname } }. I've a feeling the rendered link might be impossible for a user to click on - as the bubble disappears if you mouseover it, although maybe keyboard navigation could get to it? - so perhaps if that just rendered as ordinary HTML text, that'd be sufficent? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 10:24, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks for reporting the problem. Oddly enough, the "Other Titles" section renders bubbles correctly even though it uses the same code. Let me poke around... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:14, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: And fixed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:58, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Barzman Twinkle ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?20160; I just added 2 links in a PENDING edit to Archive.org copies of the Book Club edition, 1 from 2010, 1 from just a few weeks ago. Title has no commas on cover seen many places online, two commas on ISFDB, 1 comma on title page. I can only find club copies online so if anyone has/can find non-club copy and it only has 1 comma then all titles, regular, both editions, cover art, can be fixed to just one comma. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:56, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Helen Chen ==<br />
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https://fantlab.ru/art34256; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5727128; Someone familiar with Chinese name standardization can decide whether Mingjue is her legal name and needs to be added or whatever after my edit is approved. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:39, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== French Reeves-Stevens ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5727232; As usual when I make a rare attempt to enter a foreign edition I'm sure some improvements can be made after approval. I'll just mention that NooSFere calls artist Kopik and ISFDB has 4 credits for that name but it also has 1 for Copik so someone who knows can decide on parent and variant, although partial signature starts with C so that seems to be the real name. Also, what does that phrase on the back mean, Maquette Vaporetto? Online check seems to imply it means "steamboat sketch" but that can't be right. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:49, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Greg Reeves ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5727251; I don't think this is by Garfield Reeves-Stevens. Nothing about the opening pages in Amazon Look Inside matches anything in the 2 copies of Dark Matter by Reeves-Stevens on Archive.org. Maybe this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2563054, is really by Reeves-Stevens or maybe not. The novel, however, should be separated into a different author, I think. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:00, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== 'Publications not in a Publication Series' pages updated ==<br />
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As per {{FR|952}}, 'Show covers' and 'Show Last Year First' are now available on all 'Publications not in a Publication Series' pages. Please let me know if you run into any issues with pages like https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?17013 . [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:46, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bonvissuto ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=bonvis&type=Name; I added Goodreads page (with photo) and middle name to Stephanie, added IMDB page (with 1 credit) to Steven A., and made Steve a variant of Steven A., but that S. is a mystery. No info online for the 2 story titles except the usual Locus/Philsp pages, might be Steve(n) or Stephanie, if anyone ever finds out they can make a variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:29, 29 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bebeto ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=bebeto&type=Name; They're both wrong, I think, first record should be Bebeto DarOZ, not Bebeto Dar0Z, and the other one should be the same. Publisher who PV one of them has been gone for years so no use asking; artist has a YouTube channel as Bebeto DarOZ. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:52, 29 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Merlins ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?62818; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5728318; I think that very old Merlin record with missing/wrong info can be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:22, 30 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== New yellow warning when a changed Publication date is before one of the Title dates ==<br />
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Post-submission review pages for Edit Publication submissions have been modified. If an EditPub submission changes the publication's date and the resulting date would be prior to one (or more) of the Title dates in the Contents section, the review page will display a yellow warning with a list of affected titles.<br />
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Please note that, at this time, the warning is only displayed for Edit Publication submissions. NewPubs, AddPubs and ClonePubs are currently not affected. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:50, 31 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I Purposely triggered one, very nice addition. Thanks [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:11, 31 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Glad to hear it's useful!<br />
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:: I believe this wraps up the software changes requested in April-July. Due to a number of reasons -- including the fact that Microsoft plans to stop security patches for Windows 10 in 2025 and the current version of Fixer requires Windows 10 -- I plan to concentrate on migrating Fixer to Linux, Python and MySQL as the next big project. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:27, 2 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Taurus Canada ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5721363; Am I right that like a lot of PB publishers in the 1980s, DAW Books for example, Canadian Signet editions' number lines start with 2? In other words, this is not a second printing and should be un-rejected? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:12, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Warlock of Firetop Mountain ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5730397; Some issues with this. As can be seen on the back cover, the artist is Peter Andrew Jones, not Peter Jones. Also, there's only 2 foreign editions on ISFDB that actually include the 21 numbered pages in the page count. Also, the Archive.org copy (the only FF book on the uploader's page) is messy but I think the first page would be 13-14 and the last would be 99-100 of which one of those last pages is not part of the game book, so 13-99 x 2 would be 174 pages, not 170. So if anyone owns/can get a look at the very first Puffin original edition and it says Peter Andrew Jones that would entail a bit of a nightmare because a lot of the later editions from various publishers would need to be checked to make sure they actually said Peter Jones or if they really say the full name and editors here just imported the original edition's (incorrect) artist name. First edition would also need checking to see if those first 21 pages are numbered and a manual page count would be needed to determine how many unnumbered pages there are. The artist issue arose because whoever entered the name got it from an art book and not the actual book itself, a problem which has led to many names being wrong here, of which I suspect there are many more in the FF series that will need fixing. Fun times ahead; there are hundreds of archived copies of these books. On a side note, I entered a whole bunch of fantasy illustrator photos a while back including Steve Jackson (this one and the other one from the USA who also did FF books and just coincidentally had the same name) but apparently Ian Livingstone escaped me because he has no photo so if anyone can find a good one then they can add it to his record. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:56, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: My recollection is that he was always credited as "Peter Andrew Jones" on these, and I was surprised when I saw that "Peter Jones" was recorded here as his primary name. Fighting Fantasy is pretty well documented, so it shouldn't be hard to verify this - somewhere I have a copy of [https://www.amazon.co.uk/You-Hero-Snowbooks-Fantasy-Histories/dp/1909679364 You Are The Hero] which covers this stuff, in addition to all the online references.<br />
: As for Ian Livingstone, there are loads of photos of him around, as he's pretty high profile in the UK, like [https://www.gamesindustry.biz/what-developers-can-learn-from-last-nights-the-apprentice appearing on our version of The Apprentice]. The [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Livingstone#/media/File:Ian_Livingstone.jpg Wikipedia photo] is CC BY-SA 2.0 licensed, so I assume that can be used if nothing better is found. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:19, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I decided to look at #2 in the series, The Citadel of Chaos, and added a link to a nasty raggedy copy of some Puffin edition which has no way to tell what printing it is because a bunch of pages are missing from the front (I just added link to title record), also added a link to another Puffin printing which some mysterious PV named PortofHamburg added not too long ago but he/she didn't specify the printing history so I made a best guess and added the link to that record, and also corrected page count for recent Scholastic edition from 232 to 236 using a later printing on Archive.org. So if just 2 books have so much to do there are dozens more waiting. Not to mention the umpteen Wizard reprints which I'm not even going to touch, although I may have added a few links to some of them long ago, hard to remember. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:07, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Gentlewomen of Evil ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5730762; Recent copy has a totally different back cover; possible reprint? Copyright page looks the same to me in both copies. Also, recent copy has a penciled-in date on the front flap and, just maybe, the bottom of the price barely visible above it, which contradicts the note someone wrote here which says there's no price in the book; someone else obviously got it from somewhere. So a little mystery here that someone may be able to figure out. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:25, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Night SHADOWS by Mary SELLERS ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?963498; RTrace just entered this, I wasted my time tracking down the ID on BookScans and adding cover image, ISBN, and price, only for the software to tell me the URL was already on file because Rosab618 entered the book back in May but spelled the name wrong, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?949221, which is probably why RTrace couldn't find it and thought it was an unentered book. So I've cancelled my edit; the recent one should probably be deleted, Reginald ID moved over, last name corrected, and ISBN that's on top of the cover should be entered. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:02, 2 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I've essentially merged the two publication records. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:52, 2 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Great. I also replaced Cat's Amazon cover with BookScans cover which is the same except bigger, added Goodreads ID to Bayou (they call her May, not Mary) and uploaded their cover which doesn't seem to be anywhere else, and just added archived link to Gambler, which was uploaded in March. I also learned from Gambler's dedication that she's the wife of Con Sellers so I added husband/wife A| links to both of them. I also see in Con Sellers papers at USM (which mentions he married Mary Raineri in 1943) that they include most of Mary's book titles so maybe he co-wrote them without credit? EDIT: Shouldn't ISBN be added to Night Shadows? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:17, 2 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== No One Goes There Now ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5731000; As can be seen at the Archive.org links the real cover is totally different but no image can be found on Amazon, SFE, OL, FantLab, etc., so if someone wants to upload it from somewhere. Also, author's name is William Walling on title page so variant is wrong. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:52, 2 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Submission approved, author credit corrected and cover image replaced. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:41, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ralph Blum ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1794382; I added Archive.org link to UK HC of Blum's novel; there's no reason for that non-fiction book to be here because author is not "above the threshold" and book is just New Age nonsense about runes, one of many the author has written. So delete and keep the review? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:38, 2 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: If the publication is deleted as ineligible, you must remove this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?965478 REVIEW title] from [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?220685 this publication] and delete it. Then you add an ESSAY type title for the review. For example, 'Review of "The Book of Runes" by Ralph Blum' and the reviewer Paulette Minaré is the author. Often, you will see the reason an essay title is appropriate in the title. Review of the non-genre book, review of the film, etc. I suggest you allow a week for any objections. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:30, 2 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: I have deleted the one publication but do think it's best to keep the title (I've added a note): this way we don't have to undergo the change of the publication with the review. Also, we already have some only titles that way (also for awards). <br />
:: But if you think it's better to emphasize the change, that'd also be okay. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:39, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: [[User:Username|Username]]: Since it has been a week and [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] has deleted the publication, go ahead and submit the four edits I outlined above. I'll approve when I see them.<br />
::: [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]]: We have no policy provision for creating title records for ineligible publications. I'm surprised you would suggest this in a thread where I'm advising the proper treatment. Not only are you misleading this editor, but all the others who monitor the boards. If you think your method has merit, start a discussion on Rules and Standards. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:36, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dating Bentley Little ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?593285; What should title date of Evil Deeds be? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:17, 3 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: If you are referring to this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?577269 title record], the date of its first appearance. 1994-05-00. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:53, 3 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mike Turner disambiguation ==<br />
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I don't "do" SFnal stuff on Facebook, but I do search for mentions of ISFDB every now and again. If there is anyone is active on FB, they might want to follow-up [https://www.facebook.com/groups/642644559492671/posts/1698367847253665/?comment_id=1698375807252869 this comment] that indicates the current Mike Turner record conflates 2 or more people. As a stopgap, I've added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?81225 an author note] to raise awareness of the issue. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:37, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== IA's Worlds of Science Fiction ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5733923; PV is gone, LCCN links up to a couple of other Asimov works on LoC, cover art not credited but likely from some issue of Asimov's magazine, so if anyone knows where it came from or what to do with the LCCN. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:18, 5 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I found https://lccn.loc.gov/81101251. Since the printed LCCN is live, I left it, added this one as a second LCCN ID, and added a note about what we see printed in the archive.org copy and what we find on the LOC site today. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 06:50, 7 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Altered Ego ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5734917; It's been 13 years so nobody's rushing to replace that ragged copy; if anyone here owns it and can upload it to Archive.org so there's a complete copy that would be good, although not strictly necessary because there's an HC edition archived in 2020, too. I see a lot of Pennant copies on eBay so I don't think it's very rare. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:02, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== International Polygonics LCCN ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?180301; I just entered this publisher's edition of William O'Farrell's 1942 novel Repeat Performance and only afterwards saw LCCN on copyright page is not on LoC site; I didn't go back and remove it and add a note about it because going back sometimes erases info. I checked the dozen or so other books by the publisher on ISFDB and 1 LCCN was entered and is on their site, 1 was entered in notes as not being on their site, and the one linked above is not on their site but the previous book in the series, Nine Times Nine, is in an International Polygonics edition but hasn't been entered here (yet). 2 PV, one transient and one who has no messages on their board, so should LCCN be removed and moved to notes? Also, can someone approve my edit so I can remove and move, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:48, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Permabooks Problems ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?8005; I added an Archive.org link to Moon Pilot and noticed while it says it was originally published as Starfire in December ISFDB note gives it the date of the printing, October. Also, https://www.garysvintagebooks.com/product-page/son-of-flubber-by-walt-disney, where date is March with printing in January but ISFDB note has no month and note surmises that it was published in May or June because it comes between 2 other books with surrounding catalog numbers but likely months are wrong because some editors entered the printing date instead of the publication date. There's only 40+ Permabooks on ISFDB so this shouldn't be too hard to sort out. At least 2 active PV of Starfire, Rudam and Willem, so they may want to fix their month if that's the right thing to do. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:32, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Courtney and Triffids ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=triffids+ballantine&sort=-addeddate; Third printing (not on ISFDB) says R. Courtney on copyright page; not credited in Fawcett editions but PV of 1986 Del Rey 1st printing, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?902545, decided to just make the name the canonical name, which is wrong because it's credited as R., so I think it should be changed to R. for all editions and made a variant of Richard. Also, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?356604, where all 3 are based on signatures only (all entered by me last December), so what to do with those? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:53, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ghouls ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5735718; Invalid ISBN which does get a hit on LoC and a few sites online, so a look at that would be good by whoever approves this edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:17, 7 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Tilley ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?4506; Dark Corners was on Archive.org so I added a link and then discovered the title and several story titles/dates were also wrong so I fixed everything, I think; I also imported 4 stories into Something Else because even though someone wrote a note about titles being on WorldCat they only imported a few of them. Now here's the problem: "Medical Practice" is listed as the only new story but there's another one, "Attack of the Hiccups", which is not on ISFDB or anywhere else I can find. So if someone knows/owns/can find out that would help to complete the contents. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:55, 7 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Tarth? ==<br />
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https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/dail_c_c; Just a little something I came across that someone here with connections to SFE may be able to get fixed. The last word in the title on the cover has a trailing bottom line and a middle thing that is not on the A's in "Savage" so it does say "Earth" on the cover, just printed in a fancy way. Note about "Tarth" should be changed to "Earth". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:09, 8 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:You can send feedback [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/contact.php using this form]. They're pretty responsive. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:45, 8 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Done. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:26, 8 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Wow, John Clute ("An interesting and informative exchange. The cover script is certainly eccentric, but the standard typeface announcing Chapter 22 carries the day") and David Langford ("Thanks for this suggestion. It's an interesting theory but I'm not convinced. The flourishes belong to the A in Tarth and the first letter is thus surely a T. This is confirmed in the book's text, where chapter XXII is titled in clear capitals THE SAVAGE TARTHS -- MAN'S PROGENITORS") responded in an e-mail. I see their point; Tarths are a race of beings in the book. Oh well. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:43, 14 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== W. P. Maynard ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2449000; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1133886; Different titles, different names, in case anyone can verify anything and merge or variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:56, 8 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: It's sorted out now. Good find, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:33, 8 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dredd ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?4530; I added Archive.org links to both editions, copyright page of USA says UK came first but ISFDB has UK as second, also UK cover is actually same image as USA except with Boxtree on it, so if anyone knows where that yellow UK cover really belongs or what the real dates of the editions are let us know so they can be fixed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:34, 10 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Canadian Sheep Look Up ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5738856; Before I leave a message to PV of this edition here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30229, asking him to fix publisher and add month from their note, whose price is right? If it's printed in Canada then Canadian price should be correct, right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:48, 11 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Angels Inc. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5739007; The only photos of the actual print book I can find are on a horrible Amazon page with the smallest (100x100) photos possible; https://www.amazon.com/N-G-L-S-Robert-Author-Bliss/dp/0072298235. If anyone can find some site with properly-sized photos then the cover can be uploaded. I'm wondering why McGraw-Hill didn't publish any genre books between 1990 and 1998 according to ISFDB and then published a weirdly priced paperback like this; another odd thing is that of the 120 other books by them on ISFDB there's only one other PB, a David Hartwell anthology, but other books with the same price are classed as TP, so that might need to be changed to TP, too, and also possibly this Bliss book. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:35, 11 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Boak ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=boak&type=Name; I entered an artist named Kathy Boake for some kiddie books and while doing so noticed that these people, A. Graham Boak/Graham Boak/Gray Boak, are one and the same. So if anyone can decide what the parent name should be those can all be linked together. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:29, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== ISFDB server downtime 2023-08-12 6pm ==<br />
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The ISFDB server will be briefly unavailable due to maintenance starting at 6pm server (Eastern Daylight) time. It should be back up after 5-10 minutes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:12, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The server was back up at 6:12pm. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:18, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Brunner and Stuff ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?121; After adding many, many links to John Brunner books over the last few days I was finishing up when I noticed that there are 2 items on his page listed as anthologies that are just 2-novel doubles like the hundred or so other ones listed as omnibus. As can be seen at the link above, some of those Belmont Doubles are anthology, some omnibus, and some collection. So should those 2 Brunner anthologies be changed to omnibus and what should be the standard for the Belmonts? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:30, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:See [[:Template:PublicationFields:PubType]] for all the details, but for the cases at your link:<br />
:*Multiple short fiction by same author = collection<br />
:*Multiple short fiction by different authors = anthology<br />
:*Multiple novels = omnibus<br />
:The Brunner entries ({{T|683465|Father of Lies / Mirror Image}} & {{T|358551|The Evil That Men Do / The Purloined Planet}}) both consist of two novellas by different authors and so are correctly entered as anthologies. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:58, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Request for messages from international fans by a Chinese Hugo finalist - any interest in an ISFDB contribution? ==<br />
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This came up on [https://twitter.com/xuetingni/status/1690044002404380680 Twitter] a couple of days ago - the Chinese fan who uses the handle [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?366178 RiverFlow/河流] is planning an issue of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?70342 his fanzine Zero-G SF] which will have hand-written messages from fans around the world. There are some examples of what they've already received at the bottom of [https://www.gcores.com/articles/169458 this Chinese language webpage].<br />
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I don't participate in any sort of offline or real-world fandom, but I wondered if there'd be interest in some sort of ISFDB contribution? I was thinking of maybe a general "Hello from ISFDB" message - precise wording to be worked here on Community Portal - with some sort of collage/grid of short handwritten individual messages from ISFDB contributors. For the latter, I was thinking maybe stuff that might fit on a square-shaped Post It note e.g.:<br />
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* Your username at ISFDB<br />
* Your location(s) - city, state, country as appropriate, basically the sort of thing that gets put in author birthplace entries<br />
* Date you signed it<br />
* Possibly a short personalized message<br />
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I don't think this would be worth doing unless we have at least half-a-dozen individual contributions, preferably a dozen or more. Any interest? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 09:39, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The Twitter post says:<br />
:* If you want to send a signed, dated handwritten note in any language from anywhere in the world (but espclly Europe), wishing them well and supporting the project, email me at [snip]<br />
: I am not sure what the "project" in question is, but the ISFDB -- as an organization/project -- generally does not endorse or support other projects. We can and do ''link'' to other sites, from Wikipedia to SFE, but that doesn't mean that we support them as institutions.<br />
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: Of course, ISFDB editors -- individually or in groups -- are free to contribute to and/or support any projects they want as long as they do it as individuals.<br />
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: Based on the above, I would change "Hello from ISFDB" to "Hello from the following ISFDB editors". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:32, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Sorry for overstepping the mark. If anyone's interested in contributing to this, maybe a better venue is to email me at {anythingyoulike}@ersatzculture.com, and discuss it further there. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:09, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: No worries! The Community Portal is the best place to post announcements and it's entirely possible that some editors may want to write one or more postcards. It's all good. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:08, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ché Monro ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?367447; My old edit fixing name was finally approved and then I discovered there's 2 other records for this author, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?210757 and https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?365512, which have the same story, published within a month of each other by the same publisher, but the first name has the accent in a different place and has the ISFDB "question mark" thing after it. So 3 names, 1 story each, parent needs deciding and that 2012 story needs merging. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:47, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Sorted out. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:46, 19 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Gordon Browne ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?14029; Story likely by another guy; this page, https://www.blackgate.com/2015/11/07/fantastic-january-1962-a-retro-review/, slags off our site about it, so maybe a (I) or something should be added to author's name. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:13, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Separated out. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:48, 19 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mr. Wright ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?231886; Non-fiction should probably be by Allan Wright; Alan was an old-time illustrator. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:16, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Separated them out. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:36, 19 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Turkish Blatty ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=seytan+blatty; A Turkish (!) edition of The Exorcist got uploaded recently in case anyone fluent wants to enter it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:01, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pulphouse Dates ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?60072; Date for Landis and Frazier stories, both included in September 1991's The Best of Pulphouse, is 1991 and they are called reprints but the only entry for Issue Twelve on ISFDB is dated 1993. William F. Wu's bibliography, https://www.williamfwu.com/complete-list-of-short-fiction, has a confusing double listing for Issue Twelve, one in 1991 edited by K.K. Rusch and the other in 1993 edited by D.W. Smith, but ISFDB has them both as 1993 in Issue Twelve edited by K.K. Rusch. So I think all the original stories in Issue Twelve should really be dated 1991 unless there's something odd that I don't see. On a side note, a site named Anna's Archive uploaded several issues (#2-10 + Buried Treasures) of Pulphouse: The Hardback Magazine as PDF's. Authorized or not, they are there for research purposes in case anyone needs them; getting a real print copy of any of them is next to impossible because they were limited editions and most were bought up by collectors, so not exactly something you can find at your local library. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:51, 14 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jane Wagner(s) ? ==<br />
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I do assume that there are two different Jane Wagners' works listed under [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?185286], some by the dramaturgist & script writer, the others by a fan. Would anybody know that the two are in fact one and the same person (else, it'd be better to separate the two)? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:27, 15 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Living Dead Head ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5742916; A foreign-language book I came across, as usual fluent people can probably improve after approval. One of the links I provided includes contents page in case anyone can decipher the small story titles and enter them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:49, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Far Out ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5743690; I was going to delete the intro because it's not in the archived copy but then I noticed that the first story starts on p. 13 but there are much fewer than 12 pages preceding it so I have a suspicion that it fell out/got ripped out from this ragged ex-library copy. So if anyone owns this edition (I was surprised page numbers for stories weren't entered and even year was wrong; I assumed most of these old SF books were pretty much taken care of long ago) they can verify if intro is there and delete if it's not. I'm not sure what the "5+" in the page count was about so I removed it. No cover images in any usable places so if anyone wants to upload one they can do so although it's just the standard boring yellow Gollancz cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:22, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Smallcreep's Day ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?955909; [https://pictures.abebooks.com/inventory/22813368225_3.jpg]; Panther edition archived so I entered link and other stuff, says Peter C. on cover and title page, original Gollancz HC says Peter C. on cover but full name on title page as can be seen in photo linked above, so I'm mentioning this here because I can never remember if changing a name in one edition has a ripple effect; author's page has some info on it that might be erased (or not). Panther needs to be made a variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:03, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Publication edit accepted, Panther edition unmerged from other, and new title varianted to old. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:02, 19 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== DF Lewis ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?1187; I've been adding links to some of this dude's hundreds of stories (and there are many more in obscure genre or non-genre publications that aren't on this site) since I've always wondered how someone whose writing was so incomprehensible and sometimes downright terrible managed to get published in so many places. It goes all the way back to when I would look forward each year to the new edition of Karl Edward Wagner's Year's Best Horror Stories which sadly ended 30 years ago. He included some Lewis tales and it always annoyed me because I knew he could have picked another story that was far better (and more horrific) but he seemed to have a touch of elitism where he would include pretentious and often barely-horror stories in each edition just to show his street cred, I guess. Anyway, many of the links I've been adding mention zines that are genre but not entered here; one that came up recently was End of the Millennium which featured Lewis in several issues. The story I added a link for was in #11 from 1999, which seems logical considering the title of the zine, but I (and the mod who initially rejected my edit) couldn't find any mention of it anywhere online except on Lewis-related sites. So if anyone can find verifiable info on any issues that would be good to enter. Take a look at this, https://nullimmortalis.wordpress.com/2010/08/20/dfl-partial-bibliography/, and marvel at all those obscure publications. It's a gold mine. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:09, 17 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I've entered many more story links recently but I thought I'd mention that when adding a link to "Dabbling With Diabelli" found at one of the author's dozens (literally) of websites I searched for a random line of the story's text on Google since that sometimes helps in finding stories online if the title is misspelled and only got one hit, https://books.google.com/books?id=4VVSsLbba9kC, so this guy actually got one of his fictions into a book of true-life tales! Unbelievable. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:39, 17 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Schwalme ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=schwalm&type=Name; These 2 Germans are probably the same person; whether one is spelled wrong originally and needs to be a variant or whether it's entered wrong here and needs fixing and merging is the question. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:59, 17 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Good find! This is in fact documented with the entry at DNB. I'll do the necessary pseudonyming. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:07, 19 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Another Dracula ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=another+dracula&type=All+Titles; 1930 publication of this title says it only appeared as a serial but there it is in one of the million Peter Haining anthologies in 1982 (with no question mark). Sadly, it's a William Kimber book, rare they are, so no archived copies. Richard Dalby site's copy doesn't help with any info that's not already here so if anyone owns it maybe they can say what the title is/if it's the full serial so it can be a variant or a merge. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:30, 18 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Feast of Laughter ==<br />
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https://www.feastoflaughter.org/; I have 4 PENDING edits replacing Google Drive links to issues 1-4 with the ones currently online but #5 apparently was never entered here. Differences between print and e. Mentioning this in case anyone feels like entering it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:38, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Yoh-Vombis ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace#Yoh-Vombis; No help there so if anyone else can help/owns a copy a response would be appreciated. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:40, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Phantasmagoria ==<br />
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● Just to let people know [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?70167 Phantasmagoria] as listed on this site is really <b>Phantasmagoria Special Edition</b>. <b>Phantasmagoria</b> and <b>Phantasmagoria Special Edition</b> are two different magazines. Unless anybody minds, I’m going to have to change this soon. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 00:38, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Weir - Project Hail Mary ==<br />
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I have the {{P|914539|2022 edition}} of this title and it contains the two pages of rocket diagrams by David Lindroth (credited, as noted in similar pubs, on the copyright page as "Rocket diagrams: © David Lindroth Inc.").<br />
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Currently, Lindroth's diagrams are titled "Project Hail Mary". So far, so good, but the diagrams are titled "Thrust Configuration" at the top left of the first of the two pages. Because they <i>are</i> titled, I propose retitling {{T|2864563|this title}} as "Thrust Configuration" (no disambiguation needed). Would this be correct? Also, there doesn't seem to be any difference to warrant separation in {{T|3167979|this title}} and so it could be merged. Comments please. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 04:27, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No objection to your proposals. Seems useful and clear, and not overly burdensome for verifiers. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 14:43, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::[https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Regular_Titles The rules] (see Title-Artwork) state that ''Interior art should have the same title as the fiction or essay it is associated with. If it is independent of other content, and has no apparent title or caption, give it the title of the publication in which it appears, disambiguating if necessary.'' This, imo, implies that for art illustrating a piece of fiction (or is otherwise part of the story), it should get the title of the work it's associated with. Or, alternatively, if the work '''isn't''' associated with a title, and it has a title of its own, only then can it be entered using its title - but note that the rules don't actually say that explicitly. The [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:TitleFields:TitleType#INTERIORART TitleType/INTERIORART entry] says, a.o., ''If the illustration has a separate title or caption, document in the illustration's Notes field.'' The rule doesn't state that you can use it as title for the interior art.<br />
::So, per the rules the title should stay as-is - unless, you want to argue that the illustration is in no way associated with the novel?<br />
::Concerning the duplicate title, those can be merged (seems unlikely that there'd be (meaningful) differences between editions).<br />
::PS. you can always start a rules discussion over at the [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions R&S] if you'd like... Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 06:22, 22 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::''and has no apparent title or caption,'' is the qualifying part of that first sentence. That's why I wrote "Because they <i>are</i> titled". Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:05, 22 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: That qualifying part does not apply if it is not independent of other content. Since the art illustrates the novel (hence not independent) the novel's title is to be used per the first rules sentence, and the actual title added to the notes. Also, I cannot find it explicitly anywhere in the rules that the actual title of INTERIORART could be used any other circumstances. Merely, we can only infer (I think) from the rules text that when it is not related to anything in the publication, its actual title can (should) be used. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 07:49, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: <code> IF (''independent'' AND ''Has_No_title'') THEN ''Use_Pub_Title'' ELSE 'UNDEFINED'</code><br />
:::: If 'Has_No_title == FALSE (i.e. there -is- a title), we don't really know what to do, do we? Also, if 'independent' == FALSE (meaning, actually illustrating (part of) the work), we don't know what do do either, unless we're referring to the first sentence, which says:<br />
:::: <code> IF (NOT ''independent'') THEN ''Use_Pub_Title'' ELSE GOTO 'code above'</code> (with NOT ''independent'' being equivalent to 'associated') [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 08:23, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::Although it most likely could be stated more elegantly, this is what I get from my understanding of the Help (and implications) [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Regular_Titles for Artwork]; "''Interior art should have the same title as the fiction or essay it is associated with. If it is independent of other content, and has no apparent title or caption, give it the title of the publication in which it appears, disambiguating if necessary.''".<br />
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:::::There are 4 scenarios to resolve:<br />
::::::(1) Art is independent (i.e, not associated) and is not captioned.<br />
::::::(2) Art is independent (i.e, not associated) and is captioned.<br />
::::::(3) Art is not independent (i.e, is associated) and is not captioned.<br />
::::::(4) Art is not independent (i.e, is associated) and is captioned.<br />
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::::::If ''independent'' AND ''Has_No_Caption'' Then<br />
:::::::''Use_Pub_Title'' (...scenario (1))<br />
::::::Else<br />
:::::::If independent Then<br />
::::::::''Use_Caption_Title'' (...scenario (2))<br />
:::::::Else<br />
::::::::If Has_No_Caption Then<br />
:::::::::''Use_Associated_Title'' (...scenario (3))<br />
::::::::Else<br />
:::::::::''Use_Caption_Title'' (...scenario (4))<br />
::::::::Endif<br />
:::::::Endif<br />
::::::Endif<br />
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:::::There is a problem if one arrives at the last instruction and the art carries a different caption to the work it is associated with, but that's beyond our purpose here.<br />
:::::{{T|954582|Here}} {{T|3175000|and here}} is an example where a single piece of untitled artwork is used in both independent and associated contexts; as a frontispiece and embedded in a short story. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:14, 24 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::: If I'm not making an error while analyzing your logic, it boils down to: "if it has a caption, use it. In all other cases, use the associated title". Honestly, that's a simple rule, and would work for me. However, that is not what I'm reading in the current rules text. I think this warrants further discussion and clarification. Shall we move this discussion to R&S? Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 08:08, 25 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::Good idea, it would be nice to find out what the small print is :) See [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Interior_art_-_do_we_use_artwork_captions_in_the_titling.3F Interior art - do we use artwork captions in the titling]. Thanks, Kev.--[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:43, 25 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== "Achevé D'Imprimer" and "Dépôt Légal" - possible new templates ==<br />
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We have thousands of French publications which use "Achevé D'Imprimer" and "Dépôt Légal" in Notes. For example, consider [https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?874559 Aux portes de l'épouvante], which says:<br />
* Achevé D'Imprimer = None on book<br />
* Dépôt Légal = None on book<br />
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or take [https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?868799 La charnière du temps]:<br />
* Achevé D'Imprimer = Publication Date<br />
* Dépôt Légal = September 1987 (nearly matches AI)<br />
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Most of our users are presumably not familiar with these terms. How about we create simple (i.e. no parameters, just explanatory text) Notes templates of the same names explaining what they mean? Once the new templates are defined, I can create a database script to replace "Achevé D'Imprimer" and "Dépôt Légal" with <nowiki>"{{Achevé D'Imprimer}}" and "{{Dépôt Légal}}"</nowiki>. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:16, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Fine idea, which I do support! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:25, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: A quick clarification to make sure that we are all on the same page. The proposal wouldn't change the way "Achevé D'Imprimer" and "Dépôt Légal" are displayed. It would only add mouse-over bubbles explaining what the terms mean. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:38, 22 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Yes. But it would be a good idea for those not knowing what those terms could possibly mean. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:55, 22 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: What about : "Achevé d'imprimer" = "printing completed on…" (note not ''all'' AIs are dated) and "Dépôt légal" = "officially registered on…" ? The "dépôt légal" also implies that the publisher is legally expected to send one or two copies of the new book to the BnF (Bibliothèque nationale de France). Furthermore, it would be necessary to explain, I think, that the date of the "dépôt légal” can differ sensibly from the printing date, as it is a purely formal business, which can easily follow the date of actual publication by a few months (I know, this happened to some of my own books…). [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] ([[User talk:Linguist|talk]]) 08:45, 23 August 2023 (EDT).<br />
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::::: Thanks for chiming in! A couple of questions to make sure that I understand the process correctly:<br />
::::: "Printing completed": Is this the date when the last copy of the print run was physically produced? In the US, the date when copies were physically produced and the date when they were "published", i.e. made available to the public, are often different. For example, the first printing of an edition may be printed in April and arrive in bookstores in May or June. Is it the same in France or are the "printing date" and the "publication date" so close as to be the same for most practical purposes?<br />
::::: "Officially registered". Can the "Dépôt légal" date precede the publication date or is it always the same as or later than the publication date? The reason I am asking is that we have come across cases where the copyright date was months or even years (!) prior to the publication date, which confused some cataloging librarians.<br />
::::: [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:25, 23 August 2rif023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: I didn't come across any case where the publication date precedes the "dépôt légal" date: the other way around does happen, though (for example, a higher printing doesn't need a new "dépôt légal"; usually the "dépôt légal" for the first printing is stated). <br />
:::::: For the publication date: this seems to correspond to the "dépôt légal" for first printings, see the modern (after, say, 2012) correspondence of "dépôt légal" and date of publication per Amazon (or/also, the stated "dépôt légal" and reported month of publication at Perrypedia for the French 'Perry Rhodan' publications). <br />
:::::: The copyright date is usually stated within French publications and is to be set apart from other dates stated. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:03, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Dominique: What I don't understand about your experience with belated deliverance of personal copies to the author(s) is that as I understand it you had personal copies sent to you much later than the stated "dépôt légal", is that right? (If so, this would not speak against the stated "dépôt légal" corresponding to the date of publication or distribution, I'd think). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 14:08, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::: On the whole the French statements for printing & legal deposit strike me to be very similar to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?613648 this (German) publication], where there are statements for the month of printing ("Printed in Germany 4/2001") as well as for the month of publication ("Deutsche Erstausgabe 6/2001") to be found (with the actual month of distributing 5/2001). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 14:38, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: Ahasuerus and Christian : Yes, “achevé d'imprimer” corresponds to the date of the last copy of the run. Printing date and publication date can be indeed very close, but there's no strict rule about it. In any case, the "dépôt légal" normally comes some time after, as the books have to exist physically to be sent to the BnF. Officially, you are supposed to send some copies within three months after publication, but that delay is not always respected, for all sorts of reasons. This is from my own experience as an occasional publisher : the "dépôt légal" date has to be printed in the book ''before'' the actual registration, which can only take place after the book is printed — and sometimes months after publication, the estimated DL date being then purely theoretical. In the case of successive reprints, some publishers indicate a new DL each time, as well as the initial one, but some dont bother, and the only way to date the book is the printing date. As for a DL preceding the AI, like Christian, I don't remember coming across the case. But the ''copyright'' (not to be confused with DL) can easily precede AI and DL : quite a few re-editions only state the initial copyright of the book, although printed years after the first publication. [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] ([[User talk:Linguist|talk]]) 05:22, 24 August 2023 (EDT).<br />
::::::: I have just met an rather interesting case in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?967543 this publication] : the DL is indicated as "à parution" (= as soon as published), honestly showing that a) the dépôt légal date cannot be stated precisely, and b) that DL should not be confused with publication date. [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] ([[User talk:Linguist|talk]]) 05:40, 24 August 2023 (EDT).<br />
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:::::::: On the other hand, I do think it's even more misleading to use the "achevé d'imprimer", as this is per definition the date of printing, not of publication. I do think that the systems of publications in France & Germany are/were very similar: first a book is printed, and a few weeks later it is distributed/published (in many cases this id the next month). The stated "dépôt légal" is in any case closer to the date of distribution/publication (and on the point for those cases mentioned above, i. e. modern Amazon & French Perry Rhodan). <br />
:::::::: Obviously, in cases where there's no "dépôt légal" (or only one belonging to an earlier printing, or a useless one, as in your example), to use the "achevé d'imprimer" is the best you can do, if you have no other dependable information at hand, but if the first is there and valid, this should be used: the publisher gives a hint when the publication is distributed. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:00, 24 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::: Thanks for the clarification, Dominique!<br />
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::::::::: Christian, please keep in mind that the immediate issue here is what the proposed mouseover bubbles should say -- as opposed to how we should use these dates to determine each publication's "publication date" as we define it.<br />
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::::::::: Based on the discussion above, I am thinking that something like the following may work:<br />
:::::::::* <nowiki>Achevé D'Imprimer</nowiki>: Date when the last copy of the print run was physically produced<br />
:::::::::* <nowiki>Dépôt Légal</nowiki>: Estimated date when this publication will be officially registered and copies will be sent to the Bibliothèque nationale de France. Some reprints may list both the original Dépôt Légal date as well as the new one while some other reprints may only list the original Dépôt Légal date.<br />
::::::::: Will this work? Also, please note that the text in mouseover bubbles is editable by ISFDB Bureaucrats, so we can easily change the wording in the future. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:49, 24 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::: Sounds good! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 22:50, 24 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) I have created two new templates. The language is similar to what I proposed above with some stylistic modifications:<br />
* <nowiki>Achevé D'Imprimer</nowiki>: Date when the last copy of the print run was physically produced<br />
* <nowiki>Dépôt Légal</nowiki>: Estimated date when this publication is supposed to be officially registered and copies sent to the Bibliothèque nationale de France. Reprints may list either both the original Dépôt Légal date and the new one or only the original Dépôt Légal date.<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?874559 Here] is an example. If everything looks OK, I can create a database script and auto-update all Notes that use "Achevé D'Imprimer" and/or "Dépôt Légal". As I mentioned earlier, we can always tweak the template language later. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:15, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: [[Help:Using_Templates_and_HTML_in_Note_Fields#Non-Linking_Templates]] has been update to included the new templates. I plan to auto-convert all occurrences of "Achevé D'Imprimer" and "Dépôt Légal" to templates once I finish my current tasks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:05, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Earlier this afternoon 5,400+ Publication Notes with "Achevé D'Imprimer" and/or "Dépôt Légal" were updated automatically. The remaining 9 were updated manually. I believe we should be all set. If you come across any issues, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:04, 3 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Best from F&SF: 12th Series ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5749433; Hey, active PV Kraang, Rtrace, Rudam, GlennMcG, should page count be upped by 1 with a note about last page being unnumbered? Because there's a full-page drawing after the last numbered page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:28, 22 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Terese N. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5750006; It's definitely Neilsen; I did a text search on Archive.org and the only other book with the misspelled name is Newton's Cannon, but I didn't change it there because there's many editions she's credited on here for that book; I did add Archive.org links to book club HC and Del Rey PB and it's Neilsen in both, with at least 1 note here mentioning (sic) for the name but entering it under her canonical name, anyway. So if anyone cares, her name will need to be changed. Also, there seem to be 2 separate map credits that may be the same, 1 uncredited and 1 with an artist named, so that's an issue, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:41, 22 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Batman Young Readers ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?1012; I added Archive.org links to all 3 and fixed/added some other stuff. What should be the standard for the titles? Either they should all start with "Batman in" or they shouldn't because Batman is the series. Which ones need fixing? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:26, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Richard Drew Publishing / Richard Drew ==<br />
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Any objection to merging [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?1278 Richard Drew] into [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?82332 Richard Drew Publishing]? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:08, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Depends on how they are listed on the title pages of the publications in question. It's possible it changed over time. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:56, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Points to consider:<br />
::* From the Publisher Field Template - "Where multiple forms of a name exist, it is not important to always enter exactly the form of the name as it appears on the book. For example, an imprint may say "A Tor Book", "Tor", "Tor Books", "Tor Books Science Fiction", or "Tor: A Tom Doherty Associates Book". Sometimes several of these varying forms will be on a single book. These can be converted to a canonical form; in this case "Tor" would be the sensible choice. The ISFDB does not currently have a page to identify and document canonical forms for publishers but may do so in the future"<br />
::* There is nothing in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?1278 these four] which supports 'Richard Drew' as the publisher. From the above referenced template - "The publisher has in the past not been a key entity in the ISFDB.", engendering little confidence in the entries. The secondary verifications , added much later, use their own canonical names. Reginald3 uses 'Richard Drew' and British Library uses 'Drew'. <br />
::* [https://archive.org/search?query=mediatype%3A%28texts%29+AND+Publisher%3A%28Richard+Drew%29 Here] are the 17 scans for Richard Drew published books currently in the internet archive. All of them show 'Richard Drew Publishing'.<br />
::I see no benefit in using both forms and 'Richard Drew Publishing' seems the most appropriate. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:56, 24 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Chandler Award? ==<br />
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It looks like we don't have an Award Type for [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandler_Award The A. Bertram Chandler Award for Outstanding Achievement in Australian Science Fiction], which is [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/chandler_award listed by SFE]. It's presented by [https://fancyclopedia.org/Australian_Science_Fiction_Foundation Australian Science Fiction Foundation], which, judging by the Web site, may be moribund as of 2023, but they kept the award going for 3 decades. Should we add it? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:01, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Seems like a good one to have recorded here. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 21:23, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Hearing no objection, I created a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?111 new Award Type record] and added the awards earlier today. I also discovered that we already had almost half of the awards entered under a separate Ditmar Award category. Although usually given at the same annual Australian convention, the Ditmar award and the Chandler award are two different awards given by different people (fan-voted vs. juried), so I moved the data to the new Award Type. Hopefully everything looks OK now. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:53, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Damon Wilson ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?394521; Damon is Colin's son, I was going to add links in notes to each other but this is true-crime stuff, not really eligible on here, they wrote like a thousand of these things together, so I think book should be removed and maybe just zine review kept. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:05, 24 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I have added notes and third party URLs to the two author records. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:01, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::So this book is eligible? Because if it is there's a whole lot of other stuff like it by them; really depressing stuff. I hope people here didn't agree at some point recently that true-crime books are eligible now for some reason because if they are there's like thousands of them; maybe this one gets by because the elder Wilson is above the threshold? On a side note, the title of this book differs from what it says on the cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:08, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Sorry, I missed that part. {{A|Colin Wilson}} is presumably "above the threshold" because he wrote a dozen SF novels and numerous books/articles about SF (like ''Science Fiction As Existentialism'') and about SF authors like Tolkien, van Vogt, David Lindsay and Lovecraft. That's why we list his non-genre books, including his non-genre non-fiction. Some of them, like ''The Book of Time'' and ''From Atlantis to the Sphinx'', are SF-adjacent but may not have been eligible if he were not "above the threshold". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:42, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Steir or Stier ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?79153; I added Archive.org link and cover image to Doubleday edition of Leonard Daventry's Twenty-One Billionth Paradox, cover artist on ISFDB is Pat Stier (probably taken from SFE since there's no PV), Pat Steir is a well-known artist who's a lady, I added an edit noting her birth name from Wiki, thing is Wiki says she was born in 1940, not 1938, so does anyone know when she was really born and also if anyone owns a jacketed copy of Paradox let us know because I've also made an edit making Stier a variant of Steir but it could be Steir in the book and SFE was just mistaken in which case it would just need to be corrected without a variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:02, 24 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Death Tour ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5751841; A curse on these ex-library copies with no jackets. If anyone has a jacketed copy let us know because it's possible "Joe Chiodo" may not be what's actually on the back flap or wherever it is (only site online I can find that mentions Chiodo and Death Tour together is something called Paperback Palette but artist is credited as Charles Chiodo which is definitely wrong because he's half of a well-known special effects team with his brother; they directed the all-time classic KILLER KLOWNS FROM OUTER SPACE in the 1980's). EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5751849; Here's a lesson in never trusting info found on a random blog. Incidentally, the blog where that wrong info came from, http://markwestwriter.blogspot.com/, is on hiatus so I hope there's nothing wrong with Mr. West. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:33, 24 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== L. Rey ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?122809; I added Archive.org link to first book, by Colin Wilson, previous book in the series said Luis Rey for the cover, this one said Louis, I made Louis a variant of Luis and made variants of Wilson book's cover art and Spock's World, too (copy on eBay), but that UK House on the Borderland eluded me. So if anyone owns it/can find it and it does say Louis then you can variant it to Luis or change it to Luis if it says that. Then the only question will be how many of the 60+ credits by Luis really say Luis and how many actually say Louis but the editor didn't notice or they did notice but just entered his regular name, anyway. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:24, 25 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Das große Buch der Märchen, Sagen und Gespenster ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=dasgrossebuchder0000unse_e5m6; While adding links to some Franz Rottensteiner books I saw this one which doesn't seem to be here in case anyone German-fluent would like to enter it; it has a good selection of stories. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:52, 25 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Polish ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?21549; A while back I went on a long run of adding cover images and artist/author photos to books from Poland using FantLab mostly; today I accidentally stumbled on 2 more photos of Kiwerski and Kacperek and added those (plus a lot of other stuff for Kiwerski). I noticed that the above-linked publisher has very few images added, for example the 58 non-series books have a grand total of 10 images, so anyone more familiar than me with the language may want to work on this. Some of them seem to be on Google Books. A guy whose name escapes me right now was adding a lot of stuff years before I started editing, his name kept popping up as PV, but either he quit or passed on or something because a lot of his books were left unfinished with stuff missing. EDIT: Don't bother doing what I did and try to find images on Amazon by entering a search for a book's ISBN without the dashes; I tried several and got nothing except the usual car parts for sale that happen to have an ID number that matches the book or a bunch of scantily-dressed ladies on some sketchy site that offers "dates" and identifies each woman by a number, I suppose. I've seen more of those over the last few years than I can count and many of them I wish I didn't see. EDIT: I came across this, https://fantlab.ru/edition207519, which doesn't seem to be on ISFDB and is certainly genre-related. FantLab's note says it's the second English issue so there's an earlier one (not on FantLab) plus an unknown number in Polish. EDIT: Surprisingly there are only 5 publishers on ISFDB with Poland in their name but there's all sorts of stuff still to be done for them. A quick check reveals that 1) the missing cover art credit for one of Empire's Who books is a re-arranged version of the 1991 Target / Virgin English edition by Alister Pearson, 2) the Jaguar books include 5 TP and 2 PB so likely the PB should be TP, too, and Time*Out is missing cover image which is likely the same as the other editions, plus last 3 books are missing cover artists, 3) Phantom has 5 TP and 3 PB so likely the PB should be TP, too, and Card's book is missing cover image, and the 2 books with prices were entered differently (00 at the end of one of them), plus Poland was misspelled as Polan in the publisher note, 4) four of the seven Solaris books are missing cover artists and one that has an artist has an unknown format, 5) Victoria book is missing cover, searching for ISBN without dashes in Google Images only finds half-naked escort photos but I think this, https://polter.pl/ksiazki/Rozanooka-n19312, might be the right image. I'm sure I missed a few things. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:38, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Analog Yearbook ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2550; This is the only one in the series without a cover artist, note says there's no signature but I think there is, lower right corner, tried several legit (?) image enlargers online but didn't really help, someone else here may be able to identify it. I also added Archive.org links and a few other things to a whole bunch of Analog anthologies by Stanley Schmidt. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 02:02, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Server downtime - 2023-08-26 at 3pm ==<br />
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The server will be unavailable between 3pm and 3:05pm server (Daylight Saving) time. One of the temporary Wiki tables keeps growing and needs to be periodically reset before the server runs out of disk space. I am still looking for a permanent solution. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:19, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: We are back up. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:02, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Hitler's Crystal ==<br />
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https://openlibrary.org/works/OL20092886W/Predator?edition=key%3A/books/OL27272937M; For some reason the image for Predator shows 4 covers; one looks like a thriller with a gun, one's a romance novel, but that other one ... please let it be real. Online search only finds it on lpbooks.com (Lion & Phoenix), calls it #2 in the DimeNovel series. Otherwise, very little info. I know that company was shady and didn't pay their authors but some books were still published. If anyone can find proof of the Hitler book (and assuming it's genre) let us know. A text search for publisher and title/author and title on Archive.org both only found 1 hit, a mention in a 1992 issue of Science Fiction Chronicle which also mentions a few other titles not on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:00, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dark Star ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5753574; Only after I entered my edit did I notice that someone had written a price note of their own. Since this was published by an American company the $ price should be the one entered, I think, but what should be done with the UK note? Just erase it or leave it with an added "British price was" note or something similar? EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?92985; artist and essay/review writer are 2 different people. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:40, 27 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Add to the notes something along the lines of "British price of 7/6 from British Science-Fiction Bibliography", hence no information gets lost. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 07:10, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Uncle Stephen ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1028679; I added FantLab cover (cover image doesn't seem to be in very many places online for some reason) to first Tartarus record which was entered in the very early days of public editing here, but the Fixer robot entered the same book from Amazon in 2019. Page count is more accurate in the first record with Roman numerals but later record does include the day, so should second record be deleted and day of publication added to date of first record? Also, ISBN aren't exactly the same so maybe that's why the robot thought the book had never been entered. Sorry, Skynet. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:51, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== FortuneCity ==<br />
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https://fanlore.org/wiki/List_of_FortuneCity_Fansites; This link may be useful; it contains much genre-related material. Whoever compiled this huge thing deserves a medal. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:00, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== This Incredible Adventure ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270570; I corrected someone's cover artist entry for The Apes by Eden Phillpotts from D. Burrouches to Dorothy Burroughes as it says on SFE; weird font in cover signature fooled someone into seeing the G as a C. Book I linked above is the only other credit here that's probably by her but there's no E in her last name, info such as cover image, etc., is scarce online, so if anyone can get an image or a flap or something either it will have name with an E and can be corrected or it won't and it'll be a variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:59, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ace Fantasy ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5758148; It really says Ace Fantasy Books on title page and there are 100+ entries on ISFDB by that name. Should it really be separate or changed to just Ace Books? Should this book and the original edition (and possibly the later one if they were still using Ace Fantasy then) be Ace Books? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:46, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Saltflower ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=saltflower; German edition in case anyone fluent wants to enter it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:19, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Okay [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?968760 here it is]. But, since I don't know German either, somebody is going to have translate the translator. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 03:37, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Day It Rained Forever ==<br />
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https://www.existentialennui.com/2017/11/science-fiction-beautiful-british-book.html; I was adding Archive.org links and some other stuff to 3 different editions of Bradbury's British book (2 Penguins and a Roc), and I noticed that the original Hart-Davis has a note about some reference work having the price as 18/-, and as can be seen in the photo at the link above it is 18/-; however, the first Hart-Davis book with a price that high was about 10 years later, so I believe it might be a later printing. So if anyone knows they can do something with that, maybe another record can be created. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:36, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jan B. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=breug&type=Name; Both named Jan are on front page ("died"), they're the same person, yes? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:48, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Alternate name established. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:04, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Welcome to the Silent Zone ==<br />
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● I just put [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3222249 Welcome to the Silent Zone] on this site, but the copywrite page states that this is a translation (Hungarian?), but I can’t find the possible original anywhere. Anybody got any ideas? [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 21:14, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dell 2nd Printing ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5759600; This one's annoying me because every copy on picclick/ebay is first printing; anyone own second printing so date can be fixed if it needs to be? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:29, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Temps Morts ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=temps-morts+maxim; I was doing a bunch of John R. Maxim edits and saw that the French translation of Time Out of Mind is on ISFDB only as part of an anthology, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?759828, but here, https://archive.org/search?query=temps-morts+maxim, are 2 editions with different names on their covers, one with the American/British HC art and the other apparently with original art, in case anyone fluent wants to enter those. Also, I thought it was funny that the only other work on ISFDB with the same title is a translation of Orson Scott Card's "Closing the Timelid"; I guess timelid has no meaning in French. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:31, 3 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Woman Who Married a Cloud ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1366097; https://archive.org/search?query=%22Married+a+Cloud%22; No English archived copies but I found a Polish (?) one in case anyone fluent wants to enter it so at least people who speak the language can read the stories. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:18, 3 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pawel M. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=pawel+mar&type=Name; Same guy, probably, one has the little question mark thing at the end of his name, one doesn't. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:39, 3 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Alternate name created. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:24, 4 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Peter Cartur/Roger Flint Young/Peter Grainger/Forrest J. Ackerman ==<br />
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I submitted an edit to the page on Peter Grainger, where it reads:<br />
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Note that ISFDB lists Peter Cartur as a pseudonym for Peter Grainger. However, the copyright/acknowledgments for Fifty Short Science Fiction <br />
Tales includes:<br />
Peter Cartur The Mist. Copyright 1952 by Fantasy House, Inc. Reprinted by permission of Forrest J. Ackerman.<br />
Usually something like this would indicate that Peter Cartur is a pseudonym as copyrights need to be filed under the author's real name. It's <br />
not known if Forrest J. Ackerman bought the rights to this story or if Peter Cartur is one of Forrest J. Ackerman's pseudonyms.<br />
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Peter Cartur is not a pseudonym of Forrest J. Ackerman. Ackerman was Peter Grainger's agent, which is why he gave permission for reprinting "The Mist". (Note that the copyright, at that time, was held by Fantasy House, the publishers of F&SF where it first appeared.)<br />
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One of my sources for the assertion that "Peter Cartur" is a pseudonym of Peter Grainger, and not a pseudonym of Forrest J. Ackerman? A man named ... Forrest J. Ackerman.<br />
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I had earlier found a fanzine reference in the early 1950s in which Ackerman listed Grainger, Cartur, and Roger Flint Young among his clients. But I have found a better thing: an obituary by Ackerman for Peter Grainger, in the May 1974 issue of the fanzine Luna Monthly (#52). It's on page 8, and can be seen in full here: https://www.fanac.org/fanzines/Luna/Luna52.pdf<br />
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Here's the text of the obituary:<br />
"3 authors, 1 fan, killed simultaneously. The news is greatly delayed in being made public but late in 1971 fan Peter Grainger, probably in his early 60s, a fan who at one time had one of the greatest collections of all pulp magazines (in addition to sf and fantasy), was killed by a drunken driver. <br />
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With him died Peter Cartur (“The Mist,” F&SF, and “Nor Moon by Night,” Famous Fantastic Mysteries); Max Dancey (“Two-Way Stretch,” F&SF; “Me Feel Good,” Orbit SF; and “The Loneliest Town,” Fantastic Universe); and Roger Flint Young (“Forbidden Fruit,” Amazing; “Inoculation,” Fantastic Adventures; and “Suburban Frontiers” and “Not to be Opened—” in Astounding). All three authors were pseudonyms of Grainger. He last appeared in Perry Rhodan 38 as Max Dancey in collaboration with G. Gordon Dewey with “The Keknij Escape.” <br />
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Mild mannered, soft spoken, wry humored, he never made waves in the sf field, keeping to himself and a small circle of friends, operating a secondhand book and magazine shop, as far as I know, at the end of his life. I was glad to have been his friend, gratified to have been his agent, infuriated by the way he lost his life. -- Forry Ackerman" {{Unsigned2|11:49, September 4, 2023|Hortonwho13}}<br />
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== Angel(a) Arnet ==<br />
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I just added 1968 Stein and Day American edition to Elizabeth Walter's The Sin-Eater and design is by Angel Arnet, who has a credit on ISFDB for a Keith Laumer book, but an Angela Arnet has a credit for a Robert Silverberg book. So if anyone knows what her real name was one can be made a variant of the other, although she seems to be credited for design (even though art style is similar for all so she probably did art), which I put in the note for Sin-Eater, so maybe her name doesn't even really belong in cover art for those other 2 and should be moved to notes, also. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:55, 4 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== To Do List ==<br />
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I'm not doing any editing from Labor Day to October 1 (Halloween Season!) but if I come across anything I think needs looking into I'll mention it in this thread and maybe someone will help.<br />
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1) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?72190; Al Sarrantonio's "The Dust" is not the same as "Dust" and should be unmerged. I own the anthology Death, which is not on Archive.org, but "The Dust" was reprinted in 100 Hair-Raising Little Horror Stories which does have at least one archived link; "Dust" is from Quietly now, a very limited edition anthology from Borderlands Press which is almost impossible to find, but it was reprinted in a later collection of his which also has an archived link. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:43, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I have checked two pubs in my collection and confirmed that they are different stories. Unmerged and updated. Thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:20, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks. Will the variant for "Dust" go away after the site is updated or does that need doing manually? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:14, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: My bad; fixed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:22, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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2) On this list, https://wfc2023.org/in-memorium/, the following have not been updated on ISFDB with their date of death in 2022: Jill Pinkwater, Jay Wilburn, Ned Dameron, Henry Morrison, Sue Strong Hassler, Erik Arthur, Jay Faulkner. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:44, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Eleven author records updated, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:06, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks. https://news.ansible.uk/a425.html also mentions the death of Erik Arthur in case you were looking for extra info before adding his date. EDIT: I see Michel Bühler at the Ansible link also doesn't have a death date here so others on the list probably don't have a date, either. EDIT: I did a quick check and Bühler actually seems to be the only one; not sure why he wasn't on the other memoriam list (not considered important enough to the genre, I guess). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:21, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
3) Amazingstories.com, In Memoriam Those We Have Lost in 2022: "Fan John E. Ferraro (b.1952) died on January 13. John was an active convention attendee and helped run conventions in the Chicago and Milwaukee areas." Probably this guy, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?205939. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:54, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Here's [https://amazingstories.com/2023/01/in-memoriam-those-we-have-lost-in-2022/ the link] to the referenced post. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:40, 6 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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4) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?33619; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jenkins_(author); Author of book died but it doesn't really belong here, I believe, because it's just about dinosaurs with no genre content. Also, short stories are by a different guy, https://www.amazon.com.be/-/en/Steven-Jenkins/dp/0993283659; Dark Moon Digest where they appeared is mentioned in his bio. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:12, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Differentiated the authors; I'd also think the dinosaur nonfiction shouldn't be here, are there more opinion? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:53, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Book does not belong here, I deleted hundreds of these years ago in a cleanup. Will remove this one to.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 15:49, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
5) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?112614; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Swann. Saw he died while perusing the necrology in an old Best New Horror volume. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:08, 6 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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6) https://archive.org/details/science-fiction-conventions; I've added a few links recently to random volumes from this collection uploaded last year if there was something in them that was related to something else I happened to be editing but there's hundreds of others and I'm not big on old SF. If anyone's interested in adding more links or verifying and fixing any info they're there; you never know when they might be gone. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:20, 6 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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7) On this page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Horror_fiction_awards, there seem to be 2 literary awards not on ISFDB, Gaylactic and Nocte. Only mention in a note search on ISFDB for the former is Queer Fear II, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?342199, while Nocte is mentioned here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?665268, and here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2368403, although another award, Premio Ignotus, is mentioned so there seems to be some confusion. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:38, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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8) https://archive.org/search?query=george+martin+game-of-thrones&sort=title&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22; With the Game of Thrones spinoff Snow coming soon, supposedly, I did a search for author/title and got the page linked above. There's all sorts of stuff from various English-language editions to foreign editions to coloring books and puzzle books plus some non-fiction about the series. Many of those copies could be useful in fleshing out what's already here and possibly some aren't even here at all. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:43, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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9) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=sailing&type=Name; Jasmine linked bio on her page refers to her 2 children and one of them is Amara so something should be added to their notes to detail the mother-daughter relationship. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:50, 8 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Relationship added, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:05, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
10) https://archive.org/details/friendsofthesanfranciscopubliclibrary?query=%22perry+rhodan%22&sin=TXT&sort=title; Big assortment of Perry Rhodan books. Text search was necessary because several were misidentified as electronic or video recordings or by ISBN instead of title; I count 43 Rhodan books. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:51, 8 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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11) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?20806; https://www.cunninghamfuneralhome.net/obituary/lee-moler/; Moler died several years ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:11, 9 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Author record updated, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:54, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
12) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?141950; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?500568; I think signature is "LeCroix 77". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:26, 10 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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13) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?16483; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?16572; They're the same person. Variant needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:03, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Alternate name established, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:46, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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14) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?532102; https://archive.org/search?query=blue-streak+medusa&sort=-addeddate; A Whitman sampler of editions of this book; as someone's note says it's hard to say which of the multiple printings these are, all just say 1946 on copyright page, one has no cover and the other 2 may have the same color cover, it's hard to tell because one of them is old and faded, if any experts can identify by gutter code or something similar they can add links if they want to. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:14, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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15) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=hucken&type=Name; Which is parent and which is variant? The 1974 name is actually entered wrong, https://archive.org/details/Burroughs_Bulletin_034_1974_LauraS_FIXED/page/n14/mode/1up, so his real name needs verifying. EDIT: Title is wrong, too; it's Torquasian. EDIT: https://archive.org/search?query=burroughs-bulletin&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22collection%22; I'm going to assume there are other mistakes throughout the various issues so this collection may help in fixing some of those. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:45, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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16) https://main.pemmi-con.ca/sf/in-memoriam/; People with no 2022 death date entered here: Celia Correas de Zapata, Drew Ford, Martin Barker. The Stephen Smith mentioned in the list may or may not be one of these Smiths, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?34578, and Kevin Barrett might be this guy, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?8563. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:16, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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17) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=wojtow&type=Name; First 2 guys are almost certainly the same people as are the last 2 guys. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:22, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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18) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?1038; Someone's been adding recent issues of Nightmare Abbey from this publisher (there's also a one-off here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?662703). Almost all of their publications were PV by Thosengl who is almost certainly the owner, Tom English, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?127469, but he was a little shaky judging by the numerous corrections mods had to make to his edits. He hasn't been around for years (and for some reason at least 1 of his PV is by Thosengl7 who has a separate page here) and there are no copies of any of these books on Archive.org (must be a very small press) so if anyone owns anything maybe they can add/fix, in particular the series issue with 3 separate series names which almost certainly are the same. The first one, Literary Vampire, clearly says The Literary Vampire Series on the cover but "the" and "series" are in different sizes than the rest so maybe that's what led to the confusion. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:59, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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19) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?13861; Someone's recently been adding edits for Keyhoe UFO books which seems a waste of time because he's probably not above-the-threshold and those books are likely going to be removed eventually. The Perma Star one linked above should probably be removed but more importantly while searching text on Archive.org for Permabooks and Perma Star together a Simak book came up, https://archive.org/search?query=%22permabooks%22+%22perma+star%22&sin=TXT, so publisher for that edition, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?149901, should probably be Perma Star, too. Either that or Clarke book's publisher should be changed to Perma Books and Perma Star added as an imprint to both. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:32, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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20) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2447743; Jugement is probably wrong but Wiki titles it Judgment or Judgement depending on where you look, so real title needs verifying. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:36, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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21) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?334653; On the slim chance anyone owns this issue I find it hard to believe that movie review is really titled Mad MARX and not Mad MAX. I picture Groucho in the Thunderdome smoking a cigar while fighting Master Blaster. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:23, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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22) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1772293; Title of first story is wrong, it's "Pudgygate", Rusch offered it for free on her site kriswrites.com in 2011 (archived link is still working; she offered it a few times since but those don't have the text of the story anymore) and the 1995 anthology it came from, Cat Crimes Takes a Vacation, is on Archive.org. Also, Amazon preview identifies cover artist as Mega 11/Dreamstime (not sure about the first part, the font is kind of weird, might be II); problem is Dreamstime has many credits on ISFDB, some with a space separating the co-artist, some without, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=dreamstime&type=Name, so which is correct should probably be decided and wrong ones fixed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:24, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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23) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?107565; Lawrence R. Dagstine recently created a page here so I left him a message asking if he can provide info for his 2004 collection which is very sparse here and elsewhere online. While researching him I found this, https://lawrencedagstine.com/2007/07/16/kinships-7-now-available-final-issue/. The Nova credit is on ISFDB, Silverthought is a publisher that had a fiction section at their online site years ago, but Kinships was a print magazine, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?62884, that only has #1 and a later issue entered here. Both issues have a weird web link in their title records but the page on Dagstine's site has another link on Tripod which is still mentioned a few times online but the actual site is gone except in the archived version that doesn't seem to mention the final issue. So if anyone can actually find somewhere that mentions contents of #7 or any of the other issues those can be entered here. Typing "bibliography" and "Kinships Magazine" online only found 1 author site, https://jamesdorrwriter.wordpress.com/bibliography-1-short-fiction-3/, which mentions a story not on ISFDB and has a May 2002 date but doesn't mention what issue that was. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:52, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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24) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=horror+of+oz&type=All+Titles; Craftlove was a pseudonym of Karr. Also, Fancyclopedia and her bio on Amazon say she wrote as Gregory Remington who has a story here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?13994, so that's likely by her, too. She also has no photo on ISFDB and her Wiki (which only has 1 small not-so-good photo) says her last name was shortened to Karr but doesn't say if that was done legally; if not, her original last name, Karmilowicz, should be her legal name. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:57, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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25) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=stinson&type=Name; J. G., Jan, Janine G., and Janine are all likely the same person; also, artist just named Stinson is almost certainly Paul Stinson who did other Leisure covers in the same style. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:38, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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26) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?326338; http://andrewdarlington.blogspot.com/2020/03/science-fiction-magazine-dream-science.html; Author of "The Eighth Room" is credited as S. M. Baxter, not Stephen M. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:56, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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27) http://www.ravenelectrick.com/ravenswriters/index.htm; This page and the 2 other writer pages linked at the bottom of it contain photos for most of the authors and most of them have no photos on ISFDB so anyone who likes uploading author images here can get a lot from those 3 pages. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:27, 17 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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28) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?146553; http://wormwoodiana.blogspot.com/2021/02/rip-jeffrey-dempsey-1959-2021.html; He died a few years ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:15, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Erotic Fantasy & Science Fiction Selections ==<br />
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● What I would like to know is <i>Erotic Fantasy & Science Fiction Selections</i>; an anthology series, as seen [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?681090 here] or is it a publication series, as seen [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?11896 here]?. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 01:38, 6 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: They all seem to be unique compilations so I would go with a title series personally but either way works... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:55, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== DAW Books as an imprint ==<br />
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DAW Books was acquired by Astra Publishing House in July 2022. As a result, DAW Books is now an imprint of Astra Publishing House. I'm not sure when the DAW titles started having the imprint information on their copyright pages. I have started using the publisher [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?80940 DAW Books / Astra Publishing House] for new works since that data is on the copyright page. However, the title pages still show only DAW Books. In addition, using Amazon Look-inside, I see that at least some of the ebooks published by DAW as an independent entity have had their copyright pages updated to show "DAW Books" [over] "An imprint of Astra Publishing House". Should I still just use DAW Books for continuity? If I need to make changes, there are only 6 publications to change. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 10:10, 6 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Unless there isn't any publisher information on the title page, we should be going with what's on the title page. Anything else should be added as a note. At least that's been general practice for a long time. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:34, 6 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK. I'll change the 6 publications. I'm the sole PV for two of them anyway. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 12:58, 6 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::If I may, you're emphasizing "we should be going with what's on the title page. Anything else should be added as a note.".<br />
:::The [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Publisher Help screen for Publisher] states "Use the official statement of publication where you can.". The official statement of publication is the copyright page. Yes/no? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:31, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Looking at the totality of [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Publisher]], I note that it gives editors a lot of flexibility, e.g.:<br />
::::* Imprints are '''often''' a suitable choice since they may be genre specific. A good rule of thumb is to choose a publisher name that would not surprise the reader; thus "Del Rey Books" is a better choice for that imprint than "Ballantine Books", even though Del Rey was in fact an imprint of Ballantine, because Del Rey's imprint is the prominent label on the cover of those books, whereas "Ballantine" appears only in small print at best. However, if both an imprint and a publisher are listed, and particularly if both are known for publishing genre fiction, '''consider''' listing both. For example "Del Rey / Ballantine" may be an even better choice than either "Del Rey Books" or "Ballantine Books". [emphasis added]<br />
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::::* Where multiple forms of a name exist, it is not important to always enter exactly the form of the name as it appears on the book. For example, an imprint may say "A Tor Book", "Tor", "Tor Books", "Tor Books Science Fiction", or "Tor: A Tom Doherty Associates Book". Sometimes several of these varying forms will be on a single book. These can be converted to a canonical form; in this case "Tor" would be the sensible choice.<br />
:::: I haven't done much work on imprints the last few years, so I am not up to speed on what the current practices in this area are. If we could get other experienced editors' takes on this, we may be able to update Help to be more specific. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:55, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Nude French Alien ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?500568; I added to my "To Do List" thread with what I think is the cover artist but looking at edit history it was Hauck who entered the notes and he's one of those who wants nothing more to do with ISFDB so it's very unlikely he's going to respond; I'm adding this separate message so maybe someone else, possibly Stonecreek who added to Hauck's edits, will agree and enter the artist. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?500843; https://memoriasfc.blogspot.com/2013/08/toxicofuturis-une-anthologie-de-michel.html; Maybe someone can determine signature and enter artist. Also, Hauck seems to have misspelled "signature" a bunch of times, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/note_search_results.cgi?OPERATOR=contains&NOTE_VALUE=siganture, so if anyone wants to they can fix those. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:47, 10 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== 2023-09-11 performance issues ==<br />
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The site is very slow at the moment due to hundreds of simultaneous requests apparently coming from robot accounts. I am investigating. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:33, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: It looks like it's over for now. Checking the list of IP addresses that were part of the attack, I see that a lot of them come from multiple countries, including multiple Chinese provinces, which means that the attack was at least somewhat sophisticated. Perhaps they were looking for software vulnerabilities. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:48, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Plan 9 ==<br />
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== Night Visions 4 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?257996; I thought this was interesting. I was looking at "My Primary Verifications with Possibly Unstable "/G/" Amazon URLs" and I only have 2; The Rage by Jack Ramsay and the above title. While looking for a replacement cover I noticed that some photos have the price/publisher info on the middle left like my copy and this photo, https://openlibrary.org/books/OL7502962M/Night_Visions_4_Hardshell, but others have the info on the lower left. Turns out they reprinted it at least once, https://www.etsy.com/listing/990058853/hardshell-aka-night-visions-4-paperback, note 2nd printing number line on copyright page, and oddly the Canadian price is lower (4.95) than the first (5.25). They also removed/moved some of the text on the cover. So does anyone own a copy who can check what printing they have? If you have the 2nd (or later, possibly) that can be entered and PV. You never know if they shifted the pages around, too, but only a full copy can verify that. EDIT: ISBN is also different; I left a note on Collecting Koontz's Twitter notifying them of this; they only list 1st printing and got the date wrong (1998 instead of 1988). EDIT: I just saw that way back in 2011 someone did enter what I assume is the 2nd printing, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?865302, although they didn't leave any notes about that or how they arrived at the 1990 date. I'm uploading a cover that matches my 1st printing so this other one needs a cover, too, and cover artist imported since it's the same image as the 1st. No page numbers so someone with a copy will still have to verify and enter those. EDIT: I tweeted Collecting Koontz site and got a reply thanking me and saying they fixed the date. I forgot to tell them they misspelled the title, too, as "Hardhsell", so hopefully they'll catch that and fix it; kind of hard to tell because links to the site seem to be on separate pages so they may fix it on one but not the other(s). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:06, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== 2023-09-12 performance issues ==<br />
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The malicious robots from yesterday are back as of 12:30pm server time and hammering the site, which is causing slow response times. I am monitoring the situation and will be looking into countermeasures. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:34, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== 2023-09-12 server downtime at 2:15pm ==<br />
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The server will be down for maintenance between 2:15pm and 2:25pm server (Eastern Daylight) time. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:58, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: We are back up. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:24, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Slow performance ==<br />
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Is there something going on with the server? The performance is currently pretty slow. It's taking over 10 seconds to load pages that normally load almost instantly. It's happening on both the main database and the wiki. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 22:39, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It's fine this morning. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 10:06, 13 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Our hosting company, Nexcess, had issues across multiple servers on 2023-09-13 -- see https://status.nexcess.net/ for details. They appear to have been resolved. Knock on wood. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:12, 13 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Clearly I wasn't knocking on the right kind of wood. The server is once again experiencing problems. Contacting Al. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:14, 13 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: The server is still experiencing massive issues. There is no ETA at this time. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:48, 13 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: As of 5am server time, response times are back to normal. However, since we haven't resolved the underlying problems, there is no guarantee that we won't see more issues later today. We are still looking into it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 05:25, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== After Hours ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?28067; After Hours was a horror magazine that ran from 1989-1995. I checked all 25 issues on ISFDB and none of them have interior art credits and none are PV so it wouldn't need checking with anyone else to add those credits which seem to always be on the contents page in the issues I've seen online. There's also the thing of having to change starting page numbers by 1 for those stories that begin with an illustration and a lot of the stories don't have lengths because editors likely added contents for most or all of the issues from Locus/Philsp and they call very short stories vi, meaning vignette, and those often are not given lengths here. There are some issues on eBay, a couple of issues on Richard Dalby's site (in the usual broken fashion for that site only one comes up when you search there, both show up when you search on Google), and I'm sure others are elsewhere (maybe a few people here actually own some issues). So if anyone wants to a lot of art credits, some by major artists, can be entered. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:32, 15 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Down On the Farm ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive50#Stchur; RTrace just added Reginald stuff to Paddywhack, Stchur's novel about a BULLDOG FROM HELL, but questions still remain about his first novel. The 12-photo eBay copy mentioned in my old message linked above seems to be gone but there are a few others currently available. I'd still like to know who did that cool art, but I also noticed that the name on the title page of the HC is actually J. W. Stchur so book's name and title name need adjusting; whether PB uses John or not is unknown because there don't seem to be any photos of the title page online. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:53, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Entering short story and essay entries within my own Author page ==<br />
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Hi. I've searched Help and cannot find guidance for:<br />
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For my own Author page, how to enter a short story I've had published in an anthology or an essay I've had published in a magazine.<br />
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I'm hoping I don't have to enter the entire anthology itself. I just want my story to appear on my page.<br />
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Thanks in advance.<br />
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Jim <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Jamesnemeth|Jamesnemeth]] ([[User talk:Jamesnemeth|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jamesnemeth|contribs]]) .</small><br />
:The ISFDB is a publication based database. So yes, to have a story listed, the publication it appeared in needs to be entered. You can read [[:Help:Screen:NewPub]] if you wish to try entering the publication yourself. Or you can provide information on them here and someone may be willing to enter them. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:02, 17 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wditing - Tess Gerritsen ==<br />
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Hello, I kindly notice a possible review for the Author name "Tess Gerritsen".<br />
The real legal name should be "Terry Tom" (name and surname respectively). Tom is the maiden surname and Gerritsen is the husband's surname (as she get married with Jacob Gerritsen). Her children names: Josh Gerritsen (a filmmaker) and Adam Gerritsen; Her parents names: Ernest Tom and Jui Chiung Tom.<br />
She changed his name from "Terry" to "Tess" to use a name that sounded too masculine more feminine, already at the beginning of her writer career, as she personally told in some public interview.<br />
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«My real name isn’t Tess, but Terry.<br />
[...] I never really meant “Tess” as a secret identity. I took on the name way back when my first romance novel, CALL AFTER MIDNIGHT, was about to be published. Since “Terry” was considered a masculine spelling, my editor was concerned that readers might think the author was a man — and romance readers want books written by women. [...]<br />
TT would indeed be my first and middle names. (I use my maiden name, “Tom” for my middle name.)»<br />
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Sources: <br />
- Wikipedia Italian author page: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tess_Gerritsen<br />
- imdb-personal info (as "Terry Gerritsen): https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2446740/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0<br />
- Interview: https://web.archive.org/web/20140221161847/http://www.tessgerritsen.com/writers-and-secret-identities/<br />
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So I kindly ask, if it correct to modify just the legal name in "Terry Tom, adding it in the database, together with her author bame Tess Gerritsen (always used).<br />
Thank you for a feedback about and possible update.<br />
Fantacollector <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Fantacollector|Fantacollector]] ([[User talk:Fantacollector|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Fantacollector|contribs]]) .</small><br />
:I updated the legal name to "Gerritsen, Terry" as per SFE3 and en.wikipedia. For it.wikipedia, it says "born Terry Tom", not that Tom is her current legal last name. In the US, women frequently change their legal last name when married. Given the other sources, we will have to go with the assumption that is what happened here unless you have a clearer source that her current legal last name remains Tom. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:10, 17 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== New 4-volume Gollancz Collected Stories of PKD ==<br />
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Last week Gollancz put out the first 2 volumes of a "The Collected Stories of PKD" series, which I entered [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3216739 here] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3222839 here]. Out of a somewhat Dickian sense of paranoia, I didn't clone the contents of the existing volumes 1 and 2, or variant to them, in case these new ones didn't match, and it turns out those suspicions were justified.<br />
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It looks like that original 5-volume series is being split into 4 volumes. The first of the new volumes has all the stories from the old volume 1, plus the first four stories from the old volume 2. The new volume 2 picks up from the old volume 2, and additionally has a dozen-or-so stories from the old volume 3. There are volumes 3 and 4 scheduled for the end of October, which will presumably cover all the remaining stories from the old 5-volume series.<br />
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Given that all this is a recipe for confusion, does anyone have any thoughts on how to record these. Varianting them to the old volumes doesn't seem to make any sense, because the middle two don't closely match the old volumes 2-4. Maybe having a new (sub?)series called something like "The Collected Stories of Philip K. Dick (Gollancz, 2023)" might be the best way of avoiding mixing them up with the old volumes? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:53, 17 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:I added Archive.org links to most (I think one was missing) of the Subterranean Press editions of his collected stories not too long ago so I thought I'd check to see what's there now and there is a British edition, https://archive.org/search?query=collected-stories+wub&sort=-addeddate. The only HarperCollins edition on ISFDB seems to be the same one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?537594, except price is slightly less, there are no overseas prices, and number line note doesn't make sense because British paperbacks don't usually have the 9-1 (or 9-2 in this case) number line, that's an American book thing only, I'm pretty sure. Editor was Hauck, one of those people who hate this site now and want nothing to do with it anymore, so if you want to use the archived copy to correct their work I don't think they'll care much, or maybe it's an alternate non-overseas edition in which case you might want to create a new record for it. EDIT: The synopsis in the title record for the collection Beyond Lies the Wub should really be in the story's title record, I think. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:30, 17 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Canonical name change Richard Magahiz from Rich Magahiz ==<br />
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Any objections to making [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?243358 Richard Magahiz] the canonical name and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?143850 Rich Magahiz] the alternate?<br />
*55 titles credited to Richard Magahiz.<br />
*29 titles credited to Rich Magahiz.<br />
*01 title has publications credited to each.<br />
SFPA bios (Star*Line, Eye to the Telescope, Dwarf Stars, Rhysling), LinkedIn, Instagram, Pinterest all use Richard Magahiz. Only site I see using Rich Magahiz is Flickr. Ill add these links to the canonical name. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:46, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Sounds like a good plan to me. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:27, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Yep, go ahead. Especially considering that most if not all new titles use Richard. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:57, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: changed, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:08, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Azzurra ==<br />
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I was doing something related to Thundercats books and one of those titles isn't on Archive.org but this similarly-titled thing is, https://archive.org/search?query=princess-azzurra&sort=-addeddate, in case anyone thinks it qualifies to be here and wants to enter it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:24, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Noyes, Platt ==<br />
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I let a mod know they misspelled Alfred Noyes' first name in a note which has now been fixed but while checking to see if there were any others I came across a note about this publisher, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?57420. There are 6 copies of the Bangs book from 5 different libraries on Archive.org, https://archive.org/search?query=noyes-platt&sort=title, in case anyone wants to add links assuming they're the same printing as the one entered on ISFDB. Also, while other books are art-related there is one possible genre book, Mother Goose's Menagerie. It is not in Wells' ISFDB record. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:47, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== William Relling Collections ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?655; Tragic suicide; also tragic is that both of his collections are very rare. The Infinite Man was previewed in a 1989 200-copy convention edition but never released in a trade edition. As for Along the Midway..., a site I mentioned a while back, Anna's Archive, has both the individual story of that title and what is supposedly the collection; story was in Omni and that seems to be public domain these days (it can be read at williamflew.com) but Anna's is the only place I've seen that claims to have a copy of the book. I was at a public library today and figured, what the hell, I'll download it. After changing the .epub to a .pdf I opened it and saw the cover, the next page which has a thumbnail of the cover, and then...the collection Glimpses by Rick Hautala. It's the WRONG BOOK 😠. The review on this page, http://www.dondammassa.com/2002r3.htm, mentions 2 stories so those and the title story can be imported, at least. I made a couple of edits to it last year according to edit history. RTrace did a whole bunch of secondary verifications for Infinite Man a few months ago; is it possible someone here owns one of those convention editions (online info is unreliable; an actual copy would be great)? On the plus side, even though Glimpses came out 10 years ago nobody ever entered the contents here so if anyone cares to they can do that; Amazon has a preview which includes the contents. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:56, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Canonical name change Jay Sturner from Jason Sturner ==<br />
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Any objections to making [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?285393 Jay Sturner] the canonical name and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?167883 Jason Sturner] an alternate?<br />
*23 titles credited to Jay Sturner.<br />
*08 titles credited to Jason Sturner<br />
*17 titles have publications credited to both.<br />
*01 title credited to Jason E. Schlismann.<br />
The author's website (the url does use jasonsturner), Goodreads and Amazon all use Jay Sturner. SFPA Rhysling bio uses Jason Sturner (2014 & 2015 anthologies). [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:45, 21 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: And Jay is the one currently in use - I'd say it is time to switch them around indeed. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:36, 21 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Changed, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:32, 22 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Michel Faber - Over a Certain Threshold? ==<br />
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I am working on the collection [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?961950 Some Rain Must Fall and Other Stories]. This contains a mixture of spec-fic (6 stories) and non-genre (9 stories). Could someone please advise whether the author [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?10428 Michel Faber] is considered to be [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Excluded over a certain threshold] so that I can deal with the non-genre stories appropriately. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:21, 21 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Thackery T. Lambshead ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?156126; I left a message with Paulotecario about making variants of the Portuguese edition's titles but while looking up G. J. Couzens / Gary Couzens it turned out after checking Archive.org that while Gary is used elsewhere the name at the end of the "story" is G. J. so the Portuguese editor is the only one who entered it correctly here. 1st edition on ISFDB has 1 active PV, 1 non-active for a long time who seems to be semi-active now, 1 non-active but still checks in, and 1 who I think is completely gone. So at least one of them should consult with this editor about the names and making sure the English ones are correct before he makes any variants. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:52, 22 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Irish Odyssey ==<br />
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While looking on Paul Pinn's archived site for a story he co-wrote with D. F. Lewis (couldn't find it) I discovered that Pinn had several pages offering some of his short stories (some very filthy including one that is on ISFDB only as by "uncredited" that nearly caused the zine it appeared in to go out of business). I added links but the last one, https://web.archive.org/web/20011024002257/http://www.paulpinn.com/morestories/, is from an Odyssey magazine that is not one of these, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=odyssey+m&type=Magazine. The editor has a page here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?31614, with no mention of the zine. Cold Tonnage has some covers, https://www.coldtonnage.com/quicksearch/all/odyssey%20lecky, and there were at least 7 issues. Pinn's story title appears nowhere in a search on Google (the only mention of the title is a song by the 70's UK rock band Slack Alice which translates as "Soldier of the World") so I'm guessing this is a very obscure zine; if anyone can find more info a lot of new stories can probably be entered here. EDIT: Pinn died back in 2016 so I added that and other stuff to his record here. EDIT: Some of his stories are by Paul E. Pinn so if anyone knows what the E stands for his legal name can be entered. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:19, 23 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Irma Chilton ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?223006; Chilton doesn't seem to have any English-language books on Archive.org but many of her books were translated into Welsh and one of them on this page, https://openlibrary.org/authors/OL500489A/Irma_Chilton?mode=ebooks&sort=old, has a vampire on the cover and so is likely a genre book, in case anyone here is familiar with that language and wants to enter it or any others that qualify. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:21, 24 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== From Time To Time ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?436; I added OL ID to original Scribner HC some time ago and today I added the Archive.org link, also added link to 1996 Scribner paperback, last page is picture credits with no page number, only one person actually entered the numbers as 303+[1], should other 304 page counts be changed to that, too, or should that be changed to 304, also should Schuck be removed from cover artists since she did design only? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:24, 25 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Berserkers ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?34563; One of those uploaders that provide completely searchable copies just uploaded the USA Pocket edition of Elwood's anthology which is hard to find these days. Ex-PV Bluesman who had a problem with dates, many of which have needed fixing by me or others, seems to have confused some info on the Canadian edition's copyright page and entered the cover art as April instead of June. If someone could read the notes and decide whether it should be June then it needs fixing. Also, the HC, which I somehow never added a link to until now even though it's been there for more than 2 years, had cover artist entered as Stanislaw even though someone wrote in the note that it said Stanislow but they just decided to "fix" it, so is the rule here to enter it as is? Also, note says he's credited on back flap but there's no info like that in the archived copy (bad framing?) but there is in this badly-shot photo from eBay, [https://www.picclickimg.com/images/g/to0AAOSwqdlk~TB6/s-l1600.jpg]. EDIT: A similar Trident HC/Pocket PB case here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?282516, where Bluesman wrote the same kind of note but in this case decided to make the month the same as the USA edition (?). I wonder how many more of these there are out there. EDIT: While looking into all this I stumbled on a recently uploaded (jacketless puke-green) copy of Joseph Elder's other anthology The Farthest Reaches so I added a link in case anyone was searching for that book. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:58, 26 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Continuum 3 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?34539; IF US PB artist was taken from HC why is his last name spelled differently? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:53, 26 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dream Science Fiction ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?27851; One of my D. F. Lewis story links was just approved and it originally appeared in the above-linked magazine so mod RTrace standardized issue titles as he usually does but I discovered that Luminist has most of the issues as PDF files. While adding links and replacing broken images I discovered that the last issue which was called Winter here was actually published in July! While fixing dates I also found that a story by Andy M. Smith was actually by Andy Smith and that a story by him in another issue says Andy M. on ISFDB, Andy on Contents page, but it's A. M. on story title page. I fixed these things which should be approved soon but I'm sure there's other stuff people can find that I missed. EDIT: Also, if anyone is going to link all those Smiths together I doubt the cover art credit by Andy Smith is the same as the one who wrote those stories 20 years earlier and it's also unlikely that the recent horror anthology edited by A. M. Smith is by the same guy, either, so there might be 3 variants of the SF writer's name plus 2 separate authors. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:28, 26 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Luminist Update ==<br />
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Related to my previous message, Luminist has recently updated their zine list, http://readitfree.org/FZ/FZ_updates.htm, in case anyone is looking for any of those issues. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:40, 26 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mondourania ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?2237; https://fantlab.ru/series8593; Cover images broken but FantLab has them if they need replacing; is that Italian site dead? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:23, 26 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Sci Fi Wire/ SyFy Wire - webzine or website? ==<br />
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I recently rejected an edit to change the type of the container title of {{P|968445|this publication}} from NONFICTION to ESSAY. The editor, who I believe is the author of the piece, questioned me about the rejection. I stand by the rejection as the edit would have put the publication into an invalid state. However, in looking further into the record, I'm not certain whether the publication should have been added in the first place. The essay in question is a review of a television show that was posted on the Sci Fi Wire site. Our [[ISFDB:Policy#Rules of Acquisition|ROA]] specifically exclude "Works published in a web-based publication and available exclusively as a Web page" unless they are explicitly included. The two exceptions under inclusions that may apply here are: "Webzines, which are defined as online periodicals with distinct issues (note that online periodicals without distinct issues are not considered webzines)." and "Online publications available exclusively as a Web page, but only if: published by a market which makes the author eligible for SFWA membership". Unfortunately, the link to SFWAs list of markets doesn't give an easy way to determine whether Sci Fi Wire was a market back in 2009 when the piece was published. They do not appear in the current list of markets. The archived link in the publication record does show a date for the item, and appears similar to how tor.com is presented in that respect. I don't follow the SyFy site, so I'd like to ask the community whether we want to consider Sci Fi Wire/SyFy Wire to be a webzine or a website? If the former, I think the publication in question can be converted to a magazine and the essay added. If it's a website, it appears to fall outside the ROA and should be deleted. Thoughts? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:29, 26 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Since it appears to be an essay about the television show ''Fringe'', it shouldn't be included as NONFICTION. I would consider Paul Levinson to be "above the threshold", so it could be included as an ESSAY if it's part of a distinct issue of the Sci Fi Wire. As far as I can tell (and remember), Sci Fi Wire was a blog-like news and information site about speculative fiction topics (books, TV, movies, etc.), and it never had distinct issues. Therefore, I don't think it should be included here unless it's part of a book or something that's reprinting it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:51, 26 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for opening this discussion. I can give the following info about Sci Fi Wire: It was a continually updated news site about science fiction related matters. It published news, reviews, etc about science fiction movies and TV shows, and (in case this is relevant), it was a paying market. According to SFWA rules (I was President of the organization from 1998-2001, and am a Lifetime Member), a sale like I made to Sci Fi Wire would have counted as a professional nonfiction sale, and satisfied a criterion for admission to SFWA as an Affiliate Member. Hope this helps, and it's fine with me whatever is decided about this publication for ISFDB [[User:PaulLev|PaulLev]] ([[User talk:PaulLev|talk]]) 01:15, 27 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Watchers Out of Time ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5777341; Cover mentioned in original note has a $6.95 Canadian price so it is a later one but both it and the OL cover I added which is the same as the archived copy's cover say USA price is $4.95. If anyone can show a cover with $4.50 I'd be surprised because none online say that so I'll chalk it up to a book entered long ago with faulty info. Also, Derleth isn't credited on title page as mentioned in the note; does that change anything as to how the book is credited here? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:05, 27 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The $4.50 price is from Locus1. I'd suggest double checking with the verifier of the second printing, which has a $4.95 price to determine whether second printing is explicitly stated in the book. My recollection is that Carroll & Graf is sometimes sloppy about printing history. It may be that the scan you're adding is of the second printing. Regardless of that outcome, your edit doesn't deal with the author credit. You'll need to remove Derleth from the publication record for each of the C&G publications, coordinating with the verifier. You can then unmerge the C&G title records, re-merge them with each other and make them into a new variant of the current parent title. Further, the date of the existing variant should be adjusted to 2008-10-14. You'll also need to remove the contents from each C&G record and replace them with the titles as by Lovecraft only. Finally, each of those will need to be varianted to the original titles by Lovecraft and Derleth. As I've noted before, it's helpful to the moderators to indicate in the moderator notes that you're doing a multi step process and that you intend to complete the edit with the next steps. Hope that helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:44, 27 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Gay Mormon Collections ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?135658; I randomly came across Zombies for Jesus and added Archive.org link + corrected page count; no contents entered, no stories in his record, descriptions on back cover make it sound like not all the stories are genre (he has a lot of "literary" credits), https://archive.org/search?query=townsend-johnny&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22 and https://archive.org/search?query=johnny-townsend&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22 reveal that he has at least 3 other archived collections plus there are a few others that sound promising on his OL page, https://openlibrary.org/authors/OL7587355A/Johnny_Townsend?sort=old, so if anyone actually wants to read them at least some of the stories probably belong here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:12, 27 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Gollancz - 10 new series titles ==<br />
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I had a Douglas Adams moment when I edited one of my books in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?9984 Gollancz SF] series - 14 titles in a series of 10.<br />
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Well, one thing led to another and now, after reviewing over 1,300 Gollancz publications in the years 1928 to 2000, I'm proposing some new series titles.<br />
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I've only dealt with publications where a cover image is available, and have dispensed with 'Gollancz' from 'Gollancz SF', to reduce clutter.<br />
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:* SF Series 1 - single zig-zag line border. {{P|213465|example}}<br />
:* SF Series 2 - two zig-zag lines across top. {{P|21849|example}}<br />
:* SF Series 3 - SF in black top. {{P|46199|example}}<br />
:* SF Series 4 - SF in shield. {{P|284012|example}}<br />
:* SF Series 5 - Gollancz SF in square box, various colours. {{P|288453|example}}<br />
:* SF Series 6 - this would be the current 'Gollancz SF' series (with rounded corners) re-named. {{P|766238|example}}<br />
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:* Gollancz Anthology - in different genres, 2 border lines with author names/ themes within. {{P|270834|example}}<br />
:* Gollancz Detection {{P|271629|example}}<br />
:* Gollancz Suspense {{P|302985|example}}<br />
:* Gollancz Originals {{P|53463|example}}<br />
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Comments please. Kev. [[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:06, 28 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== H. R. Giger's Necronomicon ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/hr-giger-necronomicon; https://archive.org/details/hr-giger-necronomicon-1977_202309; Strangely enough this is not on ISFDB (#2 is) in case anyone fluent wants to enter it (I think later copy was just ripped from original uploader because they look the same). Language is, um, German, I think? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:28, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== C$ Tolkien ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_publisher&O_2=contains&TERM_2=methuen&USE_3=author_canonical&O_3=contains&TERM_3=tolkien&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication]; [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_publisher&O_2=contains&TERM_2=magnum&USE_3=author_canonical&O_3=contains&TERM_3=tolkien&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication]; I added links to 2 of these Canadian editions today and some editors entered publisher normally and others entered it with (Canada), most are PV so a consensus should be reached about whether they belong with parent publisher names or really should be separated. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:26, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Nouveau Space Opera ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1987278; I'd like to add a link to this book but there are 2 records that seem like they're the same. One should probably be deleted or merged and, once done, I'll add the link. Earlier one was entered by Hauck (hates ISFDB now so I don't think they'd care much if their record was gone) while the other was entered much later. EDIT: The one with 667 pages is correct because last page is unnumbered; price is also correct. Also, Hauck may not have entered the other one, he just made an edit and approved a couple of others. Must have been one of those early edits before records were kept. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:53, 30 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Fantascienza ==<br />
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I was looking for something by using the term "della fantascienza" and didn't find it but these, https://archive.org/search?query=%22della+fantascienza%22&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22, came up in case any can prove useful to anyone; the Robot magazine, in particular, looks promising. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:54, 30 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== This World Is Taboo ==<br />
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{{T|3533|This World Is Taboo}} is currently listed as a novel with a title record note of "first appeared as 'Pariah Planet' in Amazing, July 1961". A word count of the {{P|272861|Project Gutenberg edition}} (which is a transcription of the Ace Book edition) shows it to be 35,932 words (so a novella and not a novel). A comparison of the [https://archive.org/details/Amazing_Stories_v35n07_1961-07_UnkSc-cape1736/page/n5/mode/2up Amazing Stories, July 1961 Internet Archive scan] shows the text of {{T|60646|Pariah Planet}} to match that of "This World Is Taboo". So "This World Is Taboo" should be converted to a novella and varianted to "Pariah Planet". This would also require converting {{T|136377|The Med Series}} from an omnibus to a collection as all contents would then be short fiction.<br />
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I will be notifying all the active verifiers of pubs containing "This World Is Taboo" and pointing them to this centralized conversation. If there are no objections, I will convert the novel to a novella in a few days. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 06:42, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No objections to converting. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:30, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5780069. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:35, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Works for me as well. The Project Gutenberg version of "Pariah Planet" contains 35,002 words, but the difference may be due to the extensive footers and headers (copyright statements etc) that PG tends to add. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:44, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Imported the story text of both PG versions (excluding headers, footers, page numbers) into Word and did a compare. Pariah has 34,041 words and Taboo has 35,932 words. There has been some editing between the two versions including a scattering of an additional explanatory sentence here and there. All in all, it's close enough to consider the same work. I will add an explanatory note to both title records when varianting. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:48, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::: Ok with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:30, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::Support the change.15:58, 1 October 2023 (EDT)</div>
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== Post-submission pages for Edit Publication submissions updated ==<br />
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All "Modified Content" tables displayed on EditPub post-submission pages have been updated. Table cells which used to say "Current" now display a link to the Title ID about to be modified. Multiple yellow warnings are now displayed correctly and include the names of new/alternate name/disambiguated authors.<br />
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This pretty much completes the cleanup of post-submission pages. As always, if you come across errors or anything unexpected, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:30, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The software has been tweaked to display a yellow warning if a non-existing series, publication series or publisher matches a disambiguated record of the same type. For example, this yellow warning will be displayed if a submission uses "The Rules" in the "Series" field because we already have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?62626 The Rules (F. T. Lukens)] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?55408 The Rules (Aaron Oster)] on file. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:26, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Several Problems ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5590099; I was going to cancel this since nobody came to an agreement about what the publisher should be but when I looked at it I realized the note makes no sense because it describes a 1977 date for this 1983 book, also edit history's 2014 entry is offset from the rest so there seems to be a problem there, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:36, 1 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Resurrected Holmes ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?33870; I made some edits, still pending, adding March to the title date, correcting the title to "The Resurrected Holmes" since whoever entered info here went by the cover title and not the title page plus I imported the "Giant Rat" story in the HC into the TP. The contents are on OL and there's an Archive.org copy of the TP; if anyone knows which of the contents are genre or were written by authors above-the-threshold they may want to flesh the records out, but be aware that 1 story, R. Lupoff's "The Adventure of the Boulevard Assassin", was reprinted in his collection Claremont Tales II as "The Adventures of the Boulevard Assassin" so a variant will be needed; unlike the few other non-genre stories in that collection nobody entered a note saying where it originally came from even though it says so on the copyright page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:25, 1 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Introduction Title Question ==<br />
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An editor submitted [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5626362 this edit] changing the titles of the two introductions in {{P|602865|this publication}}. For each introduction, there is the word Introduction in a large font over an author credit (e.g. "by China Miéville") in a significantly smaller font. Each essay is also signed with the author's name at the end of the text. I had originally considered the byline to be a simple author credit and thus titled each essay simply "Introduction (The Left Hand of Darkness)". However, the signature at the end gives me pause. I think I still agree with my original title, but I see how it could be interpreted differently. Also if we include the byline as part of the title, should we still disambiguate. What do other folks think? --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:00, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I consider the byline to be just an author credit as well. We already have the author in the author field, adding “by author” to the title feels like an overkill. If we decide to keep it in the title, it still needs disambiguation IMO - it is as generic as Introduction on the author’s page after all. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:37, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::If I may explain how I arrived at the proposed titles. Usually there is only one novel introduction and where that is the case, it is simply titled "Introduction" and may or may not be signed. Here, we have two introductions (the Miéville one being added for this Masterworks II edition). To make it clear to readers whose introduction each is, the publishers have extended the title to include the author's name (probably for the first time) and, for our purposes, have created a variant title. In the notes I have tried to make it clear that the title is as it appears above the work (as the titling rules require) and not just a whim on my part. That we also have the author in the author field I consider as just a system function. I added the disambiguation for the purposes of the author's page, as noted above. Hope that helps. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:16, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: I still do not think we should add it as part of the title - we never add the author name to the title unless it is incorporated cleanly and a byline is not an incorporation for me. I understand how you came up with the titles but I just do not think that we should be doing that. Two introductions or an introduction and a foreword are essentially the same thing from our perspective - but you are proposing we handle one of these differently from the other because they happen to both be called introductions. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:55, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::I agree with Annie. It's not part of the title. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:38, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Thanks for those answers, but I'm left unclear as to what you mean by "unless it is incorporated cleanly and a byline is not an incorporation". I think I get the meaning but can you expand on that a little. Does it follow that if the author's name appears above the essay it should always be treated as a byline and therefore ignored? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:23, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::: Unless it is part of the title organically, the author name does not get added to the title regardless of where it is on the page - below, above, in between the two lines of a title, led or not led by “by”. Otherwise as most title pages out there have the author name, one can take your argument to the extreme and make a case that we always add the author name to the title of stories, books, essays and so on because it is on the page after all; your case is not different from that really even if you are restricting it to a limited usecase in your mind - there is no reason to mad an exception here. So “Isaac Asimov Presents” keeps the name as part of the title because it cannot be separated. Or “Neil Gaiman Talks About Things”. Similarly to how we do not keep a series title inside of a title for example. We are not ignoring it - we just have a different place for it in our record so we use that. Just like we do with series names. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 00:26, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::Thanks for taking the time to explain that clearly. As I couldn't find anything in the help pages, it's been nagging at me :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:46, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== F. Cantor ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?26927; People here have been working on Silverberg's anthology Mirror of Infinity, cover artist Fred(erick) Cantor only has credits for that and The Exorcist, cover image of which has been used countless times on later editions, but he also has 1 interior credit for a cover of John Farris novel All Heads Turn... but there's no cover credit on any edition on ISFDB. So which cover did he do? Also, there's 1 credit here for Frederik Cantor for a reprint edition of Exorcist that he didn't do the cover for, it being just an image from the film, so that is something to look into, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:04, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Conan ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/conan00howa; https://archive.org/details/conan0000unse; One very old Archive.org upload, one fairly new, I'm not sure about the Ace edition because there's no updated date on the copyright page, whether it's the '77 or '79 (with illustrations) edition, neither is PV so if anyone wants to do something with them, also that British edition's notes are unclear, long-gone PV says reprinted 1977 but wrote reprint line from copyright page below that so I don't know if they had an edition that actually said 1977 because the Archive.org copy doesn't, I don't know the history of these endless Conan reprints at all but I know others here do so they may want to do something with this, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:38, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Brian Williams ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?8790; I just made an edit adding link to copy of Vampirium, one of those Lone Wolf game books, and the cover artist, Brian Williams, was also the interior artist but that wasn't entered so I did it. Now the problem is he died in 2010 but there are multiple entries on ISFDB after that date; I believe this guy, https://fantlab.ru/autor13980, wrote those series novels while the deceased was the artist, but the problem with that is the last 3 interior art credits are for books written by the novelist, implying that he illustrated some of his own books. Then there's the question of which Williams wrote the 2 70's letters and the 5 short stories spanning early 80's to 2013. Who knows which one did those 3 computer magazine stories but "Tie Your Own Rope" was done for a White Wolf anthology, a well-known gaming company, so maybe the artist wrote a story now and then, but then the last story was written for a disturbing sex anthology that I remember writing about on these boards once before, and I can't picture either one of these Williams writing a story for that, especially since the artist died a few years before it was published, so that's possibly a third Williams. There's also the fact that while the first 4 cover credits are gaming-related as is Vampirium, 2 others are for gay-themed anthologies and the last is for an obscure American horror magazine. Note also another Brian Williams, a comic artist, is on ISFDB being interviewed (possibly the same guy as the above artist except the interview is dated more than 6 months after he died; different guy or long lag time before publication?) and there's another Williams who wrote a dragon fantasy novel in 2018 from a UK self-publisher so not likely to be by the above novelist whose books are from major publishers. So untangling is needed if anyone is interested. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5627339; This one was missing both cover artist and interior artist so whenever the artist is separated into his own record I have a feeling there'll be a lot more books than the 2 I edited that are missing his credits here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:29, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Lost story, no title, no author, only rough memories of the plot ==<br />
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This is set WAY WAY WAY far in the future. The location of Earth has been lost in time. Horses and dogs are coequals with humans in society. A horse approaches a young and wealthy woman and offers her something amazing if she'll help him find and restore old Earth. To cut it short, he lets her have a horseback ride. She falls in love with it, and becomes INSANELY wealthy, sends out scout ships, finds Earth, terraforms it, and hands it over to the non-human members of society. The horse gives her another ride and they all live happily ever after.<br />
Sorry to not be more eloquent. I just finished a 12 hour shift at the ambulance company's dispatch center where I work.<br />
Thank you very very much.<br />
Sak1776 <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Sak1776|Sak1776]] ([[User talk:Sak1776|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sak1776|contribs]]) .</small> 20:39, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:If no one can answer your question here, we have a few other sites that can help listed at [[ISFDB:FAQ#I need help finding a book]]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:00, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I checked around with a few people and they suggested it was "[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?63400 Dreams Done Green]" by Alan Dean Foster. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:25, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yes this is definitely "Dream Done Dream" by Foster.[[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] ([[User talk:Zybahn|talk]]) 23:14, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Nordon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=leisure+b&type=Publisher; Many of the books on ISFDB as by Leisure Books are actually by Leisure Books / Dorchester Publishing so when I come across them I fix them, but for some reason 5 books on ISFDB are under the Nordon name. The problem with that is all the early Leisure books before they hooked up with Dorchester in the mid-80's say published by Nordon on the copyright page (93 of them were found by doing a text search on Archive.org); the Dorchester name is used here to differ the later books from the earlier ones so there's no need to do that for the early books. Would there be any objection to me changing those 5 to just Leisure Books so they merge with all the hundreds of other books by that publisher here? Only 1 of the Nordon books is PV (by MLB). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:30, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wasteworld ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?19205; 4th one's a chapbook but 1st one has same page count so shouldn't it be so, too? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:11, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Expired Link ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34362 This publication] has a note regarding the cover art followed by a link. The flickr page being directed to no longer exists--in such a case can I simply remove the note or is it customary to notify a PVer? I do not know which one had left the note. Thanks. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] ([[User talk:Zybahn|talk]]) 22:18, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It's Mavmaramis's link - I've notified him. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:22, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Before deleting a link, see if you can find if archived in the web archive. If not, then all we can do is to delete it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:07, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::https://www.flickr.com/photos/markfullerdillon/52607643318; Is that what you're looking for? Also, if you replace old link can you also correct the 2 misspelled words in the note? I've done so for many of this editor's notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:11, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: Thanks to all. I've made the corrections & submitted. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] ([[User talk:Zybahn|talk]]) 21:55, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Throat Sprockets ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?8169; A copy of the rare American edition was just uploaded so I added a link and a bunch of other stuff, including correcting the month which was off by a couple of months, but the 2 even rarer British editions seem to have disappeared almost entirely, with no eBay copies I can see or any online scans of anything besides the cover. The one review I could find, https://criminolly.com/2021/10/27/throat-sprockets-review/, has a different page count than either edition and a month that neither have. So if anyone owns a copy or can actually do better than me and find online info it would help. Poor Mr. Lucas lost his wife recently so it would be nice to flesh out and correct his info here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:02, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Leviathan Awakes (excerpt) (sic) by James S. A. Correy (sic) ==<br />
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I stumbled across [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2231009 this] by chance the other day, with both [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1272911 the title] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?155601 author name] incorrect. It's strikes me that 2 errors is perhaps more likely to be down to data entry here than mistakes by the publisher, but it's from [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?345034 a 2011 pub] transient verified by an editor who has not been active for several years. Any thoughts on whether the appropriate varianting and note-adding is the best course of action, or instead to correct the title and editor fields?<br />
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FWIW, some cursory Googling threw up [https://isulibrary.isunet.edu/index.php?lvl=notice_display&id=8781 a library entry] that indicates the correct title and author name was used. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 09:15, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:https://openlibrary.org/books/OL25033756M/Degrees_of_freedom; One of those OL-only non-preview things; search inside says Leviathan Wakes by James S. A. Corey. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:16, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks, I have now updated title and author name, and made a parent title for the real authors Franck and Abraham. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:26, 12 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== E. Borgese ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5623541; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=borgese&type=Name; Will my rejected edit be un-rejected if my fixing of her name in the original Brit edition is made a variant or variant is deleted or whatever it is that needs to be done? I'm confused. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:15, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:That won't fix the issue. The problem is that the add publication submission was made to add a publication to the title by Elizabeth (with a moderator note that you were adding it with the incorrect name). Your subsequent submission updated both the existing title and publication records to Elisabeth. I was not aware of your second submission until after I rejected the first, but it wouldn't have mattered. Changing the source record does not update any pending submissions (e.g. your rejected edit). Had you done these two submissions in the opposite order, and waiting until the name change was approved before submitting the add publication, you would have been fine. The other way you could have done it, was to submit your first edit as a new publication. Then, when both were approved, you could merge the title records. At this point you can submit a new Add Publication from the updated title record (Elisabeth). By the way, there is a second step that is still required for your change of the existing title record from Elizabeth to Elisabeth. Since you changed it to a variant name, you need to make the altered record into a variant of the canonical name. Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:56, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::But her real first name is spelled with an S, so that should be the parent name. There's nothing on ISFDB that was published as by "Elizabeth Mann Borgese". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:23, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Well, we currently have 11 title records that have been published as by [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?13609 Elizabeth Mann Borgese]. We have no concept of "real name", we only reflect how things have been published. The canonical name is the name by which the author is best known in the field. You'll note that her legal name, as Elisabeth, is reflected in the legal name field. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:57, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::They weren't really published as by Elizabeth in her collection, whoever entered the original Brit edition here (Chris J? He's first in edit history) incorrectly wrote her name that way and thus she's credited that way. Her American edition also says Elisabeth so it's not like they changed the spelling due to some British/American differences, it's just wrong. So her name needs to be changed to Elisabeth for all those stories and then when everything says Elisabeth my edit adding the American edition can be un-rejected, re-added, whatever. I just saw a full wraparound cover online so that'll be something extra to upload that wasn't in my rejected edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:10, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::There are two issues that you are talking about. First, you submitted an edit to add a new publication, but you submitted incorrectly. I don't think your edit could be unrejcted even if all instances of "Elizabeth Mann Borgese" were changed to "Elisabeth Mann Borgese" (i.e. the two authors are merged). Even that is impossible because there are publications where the author is credited as "Elizabeth Mann Borgese" (e.g. [https://archive.org/details/Fantasy_Science_Fiction_v017n01_1959-07_PDF/page/n67/mode/2up here]). Regardless, there is nothing that can be done to change the author's name in your rejected edit that you submitted as Elizabeth. Even if "Elizabeth Mann Borgese" was deleted from the database, your edit would re-add the name as a new author were it approved. I've mentioned above the best way to proceed. I noticed that you did not include the content in your rejected edit. The content from the other record cannot currently be imported because the title records have the incorrect name. There are two ways to bring these records into shape.<br />
:::::# You could edit the existing collection and change the author credit for those stories that appear only in that collection. You would also need to remove any stories that are published elsewhere from the collection, then re-add them with the correct credit. There is a further step in that variants need to be made, but I'll discuss that below when covering the second overall issue.<br />
:::::# Alternatively, you could manually add all the stories, with the correct credit, when you re-add the George Braziller publication. You could then remove all the stories from the MacGibbon & Kee publication and import the ones with the correct author credit from the other pub. Again variants will need to be made to finish the process.<br />
:::::The second issue is what name needs to be canonical for this author. Absent evidence to the contrary, I would assume that all other publications are correctly credited. That leaves us with 6 titles in 13 publications credited to Elizabeth. There are 10 titles appearing in 3 publications as Elisabeth. I'm not counting translations which are all variants anyway. You could argue that the canonical name be changed to Elisabeth, but I'd recommend proposing that in a separate thread. Also, would you be volunteering to do this work (it's many edits)? You would need to move all the author data from the current canonical record to the new one; Break all of the parent child author name relationships; Make all new alternate names variants of the new canonical name; Merge any titles with the new canonical name where the former parent name appeared in no publications, deleting the parent title relationship; Change the author credit of any titles with the former canonical name that appear in no publications to the new canonical name. Break any remaining parent child story relationships; Make any remaining titles by alternate name variants of the new canonical name. If you don't want change the canonical name and can't find someone else to do it, or the community decides to keep it as Elizabeth, you'll need to finish the above edits by making the new Elisabeth titles into variants of Elizabeth. Again, I hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:09, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::Dude, as I've mentioned somewhere on the message boards before, I was hit in the head a few times when I was a kid, many years ago, so I'm a little slow, and my mind has been rapidly deteriorating recently due to personal and external issues, which shows in the occasional misstep I've made here lately which is highly unusual for me, so I don't have a clue what it is you're asking me to do; you and others here seem to forget that I've said more than once that I'm a total amateur with no background in anything literary who just started doing this a few years ago to pass the time (which makes the fact that I have one of the largest number of non-moderator edits in the history of this site even more remarkable). I'm just about done doing this, anyway, for many reasons, and am mostly doing simple stuff these days, so I have a suggestion; you mentioned recently that you're still in contact with this Chris J, so maybe you can ask him if he's the one who entered the name wrong and, if so, why. If it was him, maybe you can convince him, now that I have brought the American edition to everyone's attention, to do whatever it is you said above. I notice that the Archive.org copy was uploaded in September, 2015 and his first entry in the edit history was November, 2015, so the correct spelling of her name was available at the time. If nobody wants to do any of this, it won't bother me. I've done hundreds of edits since this one and can barely remember it, anyway. I'm sure, though, that the ones here who like to variant every name and title difference would want to see it entered; people who've searched for her on this site over the years may have come away disappointed because her name has been wrong for so many years. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:48, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::I'm not going to contact another editor on your behalf. Chris J's talk page is [[User talk:Chris J|here]]. However, there is no point in contacting Chris. None of the edits in the history added the content to the record. Even if we could determine who added the records incorrectly, what would be the point of contacting that person? They could have been working from a secondary source that was incorrect, but in the end, it doesn't matter. You've discovered an error in a record and you've fixed only part of that error. That's good, but the job isn't finished. The bare minimum to fix this record is:<br />
:::::::# Go to the {{T|1931892|title record}} where you changed the name and use the Make This Title a Variant tool to make it a variant of the canonical name. Use Option 2 and enter the canonical name, "Elizabeth Mann Borgese" and click Create New Parent Title.<br />
:::::::# Go to the {{P|547020|publication record}} and use the Edit This Pub tool to edit the record. For each story where the edit fields are not disabled, change the author's name to "Elisabeth Mann Borgese". For all other stories, add "delete" to the page number, use the add title button to add a new row and copy the title of each story to the new title field, enter "Elisabeth Mann Borgese" as the author for the new author field. You can enter this edit at the same time as the one above.<br />
:::::::# After the above edit is approved, go back to the {{P|547020|publication record}} and use the Remove Titles From This Pub tool. Mark each title with delete in the page number.<br />
:::::::# For each title that does not have a parent title (you can find them all at {{A|Elisabeth Mann Borgese}} after the above edits are approved). You need to go to each title and use the Make This Title a Variant tool to link the title to the appropriate parent. At this point, the parent titles should exist. Find each matching title at {{A|Elizabeth Mann Borgese}}. Take note of the Title Record # at the top right of the screen. In the make variant screen, use Option 1 and enter the title number to link the titles.<br />
:::::::Making variants when an alternate name is used is not something that is optional or done only when people like to. It's a data integrity issue that needs to be resolved. As it stands, this record will show up on several cleanup reports until it is fixed. Also, there is no problem in searching by an alternate name. If set up correctly, each alternate name has a link to the canonical name, as does all 4 of Ms. Mann Borgese's alternate names. By the way, when you being one of these multi-step edits, it is generally a good idea to let the moderator know that you intend the next steps by adding it to the moderator note. I've tried to give you complete instructions, but if you have any questions when attempting this, please reach out either here or on the [[ISFDB:Help desk|Help desk]]. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:31, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Number Line ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/nailedbyheart0000clar_p5s1; What printing is this? It's 3rd, isn't it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:49, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Yes, the 3rd - the lowest number on the list gives you the current printing (with a special note for some number lines that contain a year as well as a printing number). That specific configuration of numbers is a pretty common one. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:48, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK. I asked because of this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5625372, where either I goofed or there was some hiccup when I entered it, so I made a new edit with the right cover, but the 2002 edition on Archive.org matches the ISFDB note which says "third printing" yet the mod who rejected this said 4th printing, which I had a feeling was wrong. I'll now add a link in that record. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:53, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Heaven Maker ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1518099; I recently added the 2014 TP and a link to the Archive.org copy which was recently uploaded; why page count is different between all 3 editions is unknown, someone entered them for the HC and they seem accurate, final essay starting on p. 249 and page count being 254, while TP is 20 pages longer but doesn't seem to have any extra material, but more importantly is while importing HC contents into TP and adding page numbers I now notice that the foreword, which is actually titled Forward in the book, is by Janis McKay, who is actually Janis Mackay per signature, an author with several credits on ISFDB, while the intro is actually by Herbertson. So if anyone can get a hold of the original HC edition and verify it's the same then those can be corrected. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:30, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Magnus Fin ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?30867; Print editions are all same price, one says TP, one PB, and one "unknown", in case anyone knows which they should all really be. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:33, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
: They are all the standard B format in UK (a few mm under 20 cm) - which is a tp in our DB. I've fixed the 2 that were added in error. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:51, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Tenth Time (A)round ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?74425; I randomly came across that Venture issue on Archive.org, a Brit magazine that apparently reprinted F&SF with added illustrations, if I'm understanding it correctly, and I immediately noticed a problem; McIntosh's story, which ISFDB claims is only "Tenth Time Round" in Venture, is the same in F&SF, too; it's not "Tenth Time Around". There are some active PV so I'm not touching it but this seems like a fairly big change so I thought I'd mention it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:36, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I updated the title in {{P|61294|The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction, May 1959}} based on the [https://archive.org/details/Fantasy_Science_Fiction_v016n05_1959-05_PDF/page/n3/mode/2up Internet Archive scan] and notified the active verifiers. I will also expand {{P|351769|Venture Science Fiction, October 1964}} based on its Internet Archive scan. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:34, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::https://archive.org/search?query=%22venture+british+ed%22&sort=-addeddate; I think these are all the issues available, in case anything else needs fixing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:54, 8 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Thank you. Searching for Venture Science Fiction only returned the one hit and Venture too many. I appreciate you finding a good search term. I will add the links to the magazines and make updates as needed. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:08, 8 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pranks ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?17626; I've been trying to fix publisher Leisure as many of their old books here as by Leisure Books were wrongly entered here with Dorchester in the publisher; with this book I have a vague memory of working on it last year, trying to get all the cover images to match price/ID entered here, and after adding an Archive.org link to the 3rd one I noticed the 1st one, entered by ChrisJ in 2014, is the same as the 3rd one (which I entered last year) except he used the original edition's 1983 date instead of the reprint's 8/89 date which is on the copyright page, so I think the 1st one can be deleted. The 2nd one has a broken image and a Not Found message when it's clicked; I see that I made an edit some time ago for that, too, but obviously if the image was broken back then it would have been noticed. So does anyone have any ideas about that? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:58, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Plus qu'humains ==<br />
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https://openlibrary.org/works/OL19267614W/Les_plus_qu%27humains?edition=key%3A/books/OL26778119M; Full cover, which none of the images on ISFDB show, with a date that's earlier than other editions with that cover, so French-fluent editor may want to add it, re-date the cover art, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:45, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Robert Wise ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?4333; Cover of J. Rovin's UFO Movie Quiz Book says intro by Wise (who was a famous director) so I added that here and put (director) after his name to differ him from the Wise on ISFDB who wrote Christian novels; interview is also by the other Wise, https://www.ebay.com/itm/371173025862, as the seller mentions in his description. Now that it's an interview about films should it be deleted or should (director) be added to that, too? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:52, 7 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:My edit was finally approved; how about that interview? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:48, 20 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ad Astra's analysis of our data ==<br />
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In "James Gunn's Ad Astra" #12 (the current issue), René Walling writes an essay on "Report: Books, Creators and Series, 1800-2018", in which he does a statistical analysis of books published in the genre during the specified period. He analyzes 168,012 genre books, of which 162,140 come from isfdb, and another 5,872 come from "The Locus Index to Science Fiction" and the "SFBooklist". He focuses his attention on (1) Number of books and creators; (2) Number of books published by an author; and (3) Number of series published. And, of course, how these numbers vary over time. If you're interested, the article is online at https://www.adastrasf.com/report-books-creators-and-series-1800-2018/. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] ([[User talk:Chavey|talk]]) 12:47, 7 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Of course there are lots of question about the data he generated, e.g. Did he count translations as different books? Did he use our non-genre flag? Did he correctly process our "variants" of a title? etc. Nevertheless, it may still be slightly interesting to some. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] ([[User talk:Chavey|talk]]) 12:55, 7 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Curious. Comparing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/stats.cgi?8 Percent of Titles in Series by Year] generated by our weekly reports and the "ISFDB" column in [https://www.adastrasf.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Issue-12-Table_6.png Table 6: Percent of books in a series per year, 1891-2018], I see that the numbers are somewhat different. It makes sense since we count "novels" and "short fiction" separately while René Walling apparently consolidated everything that he considered "books":<br />
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::* Novels, chapbooks, collections, anthologies and nonfiction books related to the genres of fantasy, horror and science fiction, i.e. found in one of the above mentioned lists, were all included.<br />
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:: Moreover, our chapbook records do not have "series" information, which will inevitably affect the stats. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:03, 7 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Doubleday and The Crime Club ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=crime+club&type=Publisher; I did an edit for the Gores/Pronzini Tricks and Treats anthology and made Doubleday into Crime Club / Doubleday, but ISFDB has a jumble of different ways that people added the publisher, with the Crime Club / Doubleday one also having Doubleday Crime Club as a pub. series with many more books than the publisher has, some of which are from the Doran era which has its own separate entry here, Crime Club / Doubleday Doran, while I think none of the ones as by Doubleday / Crime Club make sense because Doubleday was the publisher. So if anyone wants to take a look at this some merging/standardization would probably help. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:28, 8 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Touchstone Awards for Individual Poems ==<br />
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Hi,<br />
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Joshua Gage's speculative fiction poem, "Penrose process . . ." has been long listed for the 2022 Touchstone Awards for Individual Poems by The Haiku Foundation. <br />
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I would like to have this award added to those supported by the ISFDB software, as the award does recognize poetry in the speculative fiction genre.<br />
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The Haiku Foundation, as part of its mission to expand possibilities for English-language haiku, created the Touchstone Awards Series in 2010 for individual haiku and senryu (The Touchstone Award for Individual Poems) and books (The Touchstone Distinguished Books Award). In 2022, the Touchstone Award for Individual Haibun was added to recognize individual haibun.<br />
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All awards seek to reward excellence and innovation each calendar year. Results are determined through a year-long nomination and selection process and are released the following year on April 17, International Haiku Poetry Day. Award recipients are selected by independent panels comprised of authorities in the field.<br />
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https://thehaikufoundation.org/touchstone-poem-awards/<br />
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https://thehaikufoundation.org/2022-touchstone-awards-for-individual-poems-long-list/<br />
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Thank you. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:SillyWilly|SillyWilly]] ([[User talk:SillyWilly|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SillyWilly|contribs]]) .</small><br />
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: Thanks for bringing this award to other editors' attention. It appears to be legitimate and I see no reason not to create an Award Type record for it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:10, 10 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Utopia Awards ==<br />
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Hi,<br />
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Several ISFDB titles have been nominated (or won) the inaugural 2022 Utopia Awards. Considering their website, it appears to be legitimate.<br />
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https://www.android-press.com/2022-utopia-award-nominees<br />
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Would it be possible to add it to the database?<br />
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Thanks. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alittlebook|contribs]]) .</small> 09:52, 10 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I suggest waiting to see if they are awarded a second time. I can't find much about them outside of that one site. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:00, 10 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Richard Hill ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=richard+hil&type=Name; This falls under the category of "never assume anything". So I randomly found a copy of Squane's Journal #4 (1997) on eBay, a special Ramsey Campbell issue, and took the time to enter the extensive essays included, 1 of which was by a Richard Hill. Something seemed familiar about that name and, being fairly common, I checked to make sure there weren't others with that name here. It turns out that there's a Richard Hill from the USA who wrote a few SF stories in the early 70's, but he had 1 story that was dated many years after he died in 1999. Turns out that story belonged to Richard Hill (I), who wrote a few recent stories in horror publications. However, under this (I) was a 1980 anthology, Hot Air, which I entered in 2021, although I have very little recollection of doing so and apparently just did it so I could enter the original appearance of Ramsey Campbell's story "Out of Copyright" in this obscure British publication. Thinking I was clever, I added a (II) to the editor of Hot Air and also added it to the poem's author since that was written for an early 90's anthology, Now We Are Sick, edited by 2 Brits and so was almost certainly by the same Hill. However, after these edits were approved, I clicked on the Horror Zine bio under Hill (I) and discovered that, I think, the Hill who's written a few recent horror stories is the SAME GUY as the Brit Hill, since it mentions him being from Liverpool and he's obviously an older guy judging by his photo; there's also another bio I found, http://www.thehorrorzine.com/Fiction/June2012/Hill/RichardHill.html, which describes him as a widely published poet, and I notice that in the first bio there's a poem reproduced from who knows where; the title of it, Slick Jack Brady, is completely unknown to Google. So it seems a guy who edited an ultra-obscure mainstream Liverpool travelogue that's only remembered today because Campbell had a story in it decided after 30 years to suddenly write short stories in mostly American magazines (although his last story on ISFDB was in a Brit anthology). So I think I should change the 3 entries as (II) to (I) unless anyone can tell me that the recent Hill is a totally different guy who just happens to also come from Liverpool. Anyone? Hey, I just noticed something; 2 of the Hills have 1941 entered as their birth date. I assume the USA Hill was verified but I have a feeling the Brit Hill's date may be a mistake, although it's certainly possible that they both just had the same birth date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:20, 13 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Snow Fury ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?258899; [https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/BOcAAOSwwIxjMHRN/s-l1600.jpg]; Shouldn't the date be March? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:17, 14 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Yes. The verifier (who is no longer active) added the pub note stating March so I updated the pub date to match. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:36, 15 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Fekete ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=feket&type=Name; First name probably the same guy as Joe with Jr., Joe without Jr. wrote a story in 1965, could be the same guy or his dad. I noticed this when adding story links to stories in Gateway Magazine; most now have links although a few were dead or couldn't be found. Most of them are terrible, but that's besides the point. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:31, 14 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Russell Miller ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?21117; I added a link to an edition of Bare-Faced Messiah; the short story is by some lawyer, https://www.heroicfantasyquarterly.com/?p=1111, bio at bottom. I don't see anywhere online that mentions Miller stories in those other publications mentioned, 2 of which are genre and 2 of which sound like mainstream magazines. Differing needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:56, 14 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The two authors have been separated. I also updated the story with the link you provided. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:39, 15 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== FK Young ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?165423; The poem and first 2 stories are by some old pulp writer; the new guy is the subject of a recent post on Wormwoodiana. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:52, 17 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:They've been separated. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:17, 20 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Rare Ligotti Story ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5641814; Ligotti.net, according to an article I read, existed in several incarnations and the early ones are lost, but someone got parts of it from somewhere so, while trying to get a link for "Teeth" by Matt Cardin (his first story), the link to which just defaults to the modern Ligotti site and a "not found" page, I saw there were other stories listed, including a few from the man himself. 2 sounded familiar but "Ghost Stories for the Dead" didn't, and it turns out it's never been collected. It was reprinted in Crypt of Cthulhu in '89 but it turns out it's from '82. The index on philsp.com is wrong; E. M. Cioran is not a pseudonym of Ligotti but a real poet, and this article, https://www.ligotti.net/showthread.php?t=527&page=2, mentions his admiration and that he used a quote to introduce "Ghost Stories", which is probably why the index is confused. I mention all this in case anyone ever enters the missing issues of Grimoire here, only 1 and 4 currently, because as usual online info is not to be trusted. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5641848; The feoamante.com site, still online but dead, gave me a link to the old Ligotti site, when they were using a totally different URL, www.longshadows.com, so I've replaced the archived link since this one says 1999 while the previous one said 2019 (although the earliest links are May and October 1999 but when you click on them they refuse to go to those archived pages and instead go to November; spooky). Also, I found Cardin's story "Notes of a Mad Copyist"; it's also on the 2019 archived site but while the old site shows it just fine the new one is completely black and the text needs highlighting to read it; sadly, "Teeth" is missing on the old site, too, and Cardin revised many of his stories for his collections, so it would be good to read the original; if anyone can find it on some other old site I don't know about that would be great. I also discovered that Ligotti's story "Allen and Adelaide" is on ISFDB twice, the 1981 original and the 1989 Crypt of Cthulhu reprint, the difference being & vs. and, so I've made them variants. One I'm not sure about is "Three Scientists", https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2702155, which actually contains the first 3 titles here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360640, with their 1985 dates being because, according to online info, they originated in Songs of a Dead Dreamer, problem being the earliest edition on ISFDB is 1986 and no edition contains any of them. I also notice the first title was in a 1986 poetry best-of, so 1985 is likely correct, except it's actually from 1982, so this is a problem. How to variant the 3 titles to the original umbrella title is the question I have. Also, anyone who can further clean up Ligotti's info would be appreciated. Just now I found his poem "Envoi" on some obscure site and added a link. EDIT: I see that Cardin has several stories which are in his record twice, with one being spelled differently (Theater vs. Theater), so variants likely needed there. I also found a link to his recent huge collection To Rouse Leviathan, https://archive.bookfrom.net/build_in_search/?q=matt+cardin, on a site which probably shouldn't be linked to in his record so I'll just leave it here in case anyone just wants to read the stories. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2749745; 3 titles mentioned in note are also individual stories on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:33, 21 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Balefires ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?215571; 2009 PB on Archive.org, I added a link in a pending edit, I think 2008 PB is redundant and can be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:04, 21 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Duplicate deleted. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:16, 21 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Saxton Stories ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?124321; The variant for "Woe..." is correct, I checked, but "Heads Africa...", as confirmed from PV of Orbit edition where it first appeared, has no comma after Africa but it does in Saxton's collection; also, is it correct that "Gordon's Women" is dated '76, French date, but "Pollyanna Enzyme" is dated '86, collection date, and not '80, German date? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:04, 24 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Razar ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5644587; Bewildering Stories, which only has recent issues indexed here, has many stories in old issues that are here and while adding some links I saw a story, "Groomed", by Chris Bartholomew that jogged my memory. It's in this weird anthology but the problem is 2 of his stories were jumbled together so it's here as "Ante Up Groomed"; I also noticed some of his other stories don't have exactly the same titles as here. So if anyone can access the full issue a lot of fixes can be done, along with page numbers, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:31, 24 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Novelization for Unfilmed Screenplay? ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5638720 this submission]. The [[Template:TitleFields:Novelization|help template]] specifies that the novelization flag is for "novelization of a movie, TV show, game or other '''non-written work'''" (emphasis mine). I may be splitting hairs here, but it strikes me that this work is an adaptation of a screenplay (a written work which would be eligible itself were it published), rather than a novelization. Do we want to include this sort of thing in the novelization flag? --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:39, 25 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:If a film using the screenplay had been made, wouldn't this be a typical novelization? To my simple mind, the act of filming the screenplay has no bearing on the nature of novel. It seems to me novelization should be adaptation-as-a-novel of any work produced for delivery via a non-"reading" medium. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:14, 25 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Perhaps a rewording to something like "novelization '''of the screenplay or script''' of a movie, TV show, game, or other non-written work" (emphasis added to show the new wording). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:00, 25 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Don't replace the word '''movie'''. See [https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?197778 Luana] for a reason. The fact the movie was not filmed (or distributed or shown) seems irrelevant. I'm more in agreement with MartyD's approach, but why limit it to non-"reading"? A play has a script delivered via a non-"reading" medium - acting - so should novels produced from them should be novelizations? Play scripts have been published, though rarely. But do we allow for novelizations from short stories? or poems (Beowolf?)? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 16:30, 25 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I didn't replace the word "movie" in my suggested rewording, so I'm not sure what you mean. Also, I wouldn't call ''Luana'' a novelization since he just made up a story based on the poster and watching a movie in a language he didn't understand. That's not novelizing. That's making it up wholesale, with a little inspiration from visuals. It's a completely different story. <br />
:::As for play novelizations, I'd consider those covered under the "or other non-written work" part. Expanding a short story into a novel is not so much novelization as it is making up entirely new scenarios and plots based on the short content of the original story. Same with a poem. For me, a novelization is an adaptation of a similarly-lengthy (so not short stories or poems) visual medium such as television, movies, games, plays, and the like. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:11, 25 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::If it helps, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novelization Wikipedia] defines it as "a derivative novel that adapts the story of a work created for another medium, such as a film, TV series, stage play, comic book or video game." ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:15, 25 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: FWIW I tagged [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2885785 the Pat Cadigan adaptation of the William Gibson attempt at Alien 3], which seems to be a similar scenario to the edit in question here, as a novelization, and that edit was approved by Annie back in 2021 when I didn't have self mod privs. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 17:18, 25 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) One of the challenges here is that -- in most cases -- we don't know how much the "novelizer" relied on the written script/plot outline that the media work was based on. Chances are that the author watched/played the media work in question at least once, but it's also likely that the author was familiar the script/plot outline. It's entirely possible that some novels/stories which we list as "novelizations" and which say "Based on [media work]!" on the cover were primarily based on script/plot outlines as opposed to on actual media works. (I say this in part because that's how some novelizations read.)<br />
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Because of this uncertainty I would be inclined to use the "novelization" flag and then add a note explaining the gory details. Even if we don't use the flag, we'll want to add notes.<br />
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After reviewing the linked Help template I am also thinking that we could profitably clarify the text in other ways, but that's a separate issue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:25, 25 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I think the clarification should consider what ISFDB wants to consider 'novelization' to be, as opposed to relying on external definitions. Interestingly we have a Note saying that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?20417 Peter Pan] is a novelization of a play, but the Novelization flag is not set. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:22, 26 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: The flag is relatively new -- we used to use the contents field with specifically designed strings before and these were not set as often as the flags are now. I often find such obvious omissions... :) <br />
:: I think that if something claims to be a novelization, we put the flag up and add a note with all the details we know - until more evidence is found that makes that incorrect (then we change the note and explain why it is not a novelization). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:25, 26 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: This may be more of a Rules and Standards topic, but here are my thoughts:<br />
::::* A novelization must follow the same plot as the "media work" being novelized. If a work of written fiction is set in a media universe but has an original plot, it is not a novelization. This rule excludes original novels and stories set in media universes like Star Wars, Star Trek, Warcraft, etc.<br />
::::* A single work of written fiction which follows the plots of multiple TV episodes can be entered as a novelization if the plot is close enough to the original plots. Borderline cases are left to the editor's discretion provided the specific are explained in Notes.<br />
::::* If a script, a screenplay, a libretto or a plot outline (e.g. for a game) which was used to produce a "media work" is subsequently published in written form without alteration, it is ''not'' considered a novelization.<br />
::::* An expansion or amalgamation of pre-existing works of written fiction into another work of written fiction (e.g. fix-ups) is ''not'' considered a novelization.<br />
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== Portuguese Jedi ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?852871; I think this should be a variant of an English-language novel, right? Also, it's Kahn who wrote Star Wars novels, not Khan, so that might be wrong (and James Khan has a recent story in his record, so there may actually be a Khan totally unrelated to the Star Wars guy). This, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1394010, seems to have been done correctly. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:36, 26 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Varianted. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:17, 26 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Fire Worm ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?5223; I just added a link in a pending edit to the Grafton edition; it mentions "Jingling Geordie's Hole" on copyright page, a 1986 Interzone story that (I think) is used for one of the chapters and seems to be mentioned elsewhere in the novel. No edition on ISFDB mentions this fact, so should it be noted somewhere or should the story be imported? Also, and I have a vague memory of asking this before, but the e-reads edition says 1988, which is wrong because that company wasn't founded until 1999. It's 1 of 6 with a too-early date on ISFDB, none PV, so fixing shouldn't be a problem if anyone knows what dates they really should have. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:40, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It might be 1998-12-01, which would work okay. That's around the dawn of ebooks. Also, [https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=31329187634&searchurl=an%3Dwatson%2Bian%26sortby%3D17%26tn%3Dfire%2Bworm&cm_sp=snippet-_-srp1-_-title8 this listing] on Abebooks states the novel is based on the "Jingling Geordie's Hole" short story, so that's what the mention was likely referring to. The short was apparently expanded into the novel. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:10, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I've changed the year based on the assumption 1988 is just a typo. I added a note about it, too. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:13, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::https://openlibrary.org/works/OL3691729W/The_Fire_Worm?edition=key%3A/books/OL8007597M#editions-list; 2002 e-book and 9/2004 PB, so there's probably several releases for each book by the company. Also, I think the complete short story is in the novel, copyright page says the story "first appeared" in Interzone. This, https://archive.org/stream/interzone-26/Interzone26_djvu.txt, says "constructed around" the "originally self-contained" story, so someone more familiar than I with Watson's work would need to see if the story is in the novel complete, spread among the chapters, etc. Likely importing the story would be incorrect but certainly a note could be added mentioning the novel's based around the story. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:41, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== New SFWA "Infinity Award" category ==<br />
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https://file770.com/sfwas-inaugural-infinity-award-honoree-is-octavia-e-butler/<br />
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Looks to be the same sort of thing as the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_category.cgi?412+0 Grand Master Award]. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:37, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Cool. She's a great author. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 22:22, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: The official press release is [https://www.sfwa.org/2023/04/27/the-inaugural-infinity-award-honoree-octavia-e-butler/ here]. As near as I can tell, the first Infinity award will be presented at the 2023 "Annual Nebula Awards® Ceremony", but it will be separate from the Nebula award. Unlike the Bradbury award and the Norton award, the Infinity award is not mentioned on the [http://nebulas.sfwa.org/about-the-nebulas/nebula-rules/ Nebula Rules page]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 00:48, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: FWIW the Grand Master Award isn't listed on that rules page either. Looking at [https://nebulas.sfwa.org/award-year/2021/ their page for last year's awards], Grand Master, Solstice and Service to SFWA are all in a "Other Awards" list on the right, separate from the main "Nebula Awards" list.<br />
::: In passing, I note a couple of potential other issues that might need resolving:<br />
::: * Some of the category naming is inconsistent: the YA, dramatic and service awards have a person's name before them, but we don't have '''Damon Knight''' Grand Master Award or '''Kate Wilhelm''' Solstice Award. Looks like these were renamed after their inception - [SFE says] 2002 for Damon Knight and 2016 for Kate Wilhelm. I know from the likes of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?27 Campbell / Astounding] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?43 Tiptree / Otherwise] that the main award records try to capture name changes, I dunno if there are official rules and standards at the category level<br />
::: * [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?31 The Nebula note] says ''"Note that the "Andre Norton Award" and the "Ray Bradbury Award" are awarded at the same time, although they aren't strictly Nebulas"'', but this is contradicted by the SFWA rules page which references "The Andre Norton Nebula Award" and "The Ray Bradbury Nebula Award", and that on the 2021 results page, they are listed alongside the other Nebulas, rather than the "Other Awards" sidebar. I have a vague recollection that they might have become "proper" Nebulas - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebula_Award Wikipedia] says this happened in 2019.<br />
::: Anyone with more insight or opinion on these? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 07:04, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: I think we discussed the SFWA Grand Master Award at some point after its name was changed to "Damon Knight Memorial Grand Master Award". If memory serves, we considered renaming it to "Grand Master Award / Damon Knight Memorial Grand Master Award", but it felt awkward. Now that we have more experience with changing award names, I think expanding the award name would be a good idea.<br />
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:::: As to whether the Norton and Bradbury awards are technically Nebula categories, I have reviewed [https://daviddlevine.com/2019/04/i-am-now-officially-a-nebula-award-winner/ the 2019 blog post] that the Wikipedia article links to and I am still not sure I understand how it works. It would be best to find an official announcement before we start changing things.<br />
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:::: In the meantime, I have created a new [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?103 Award Type record], a new [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_category.cgi?1065+0 Award Category record] and a new [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?78337 Award record] for {{A|Octavia E. Butler}}. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:10, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Clint Smith ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5648349; SFE says it's not the same guy as the later horror writer; https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/smith_clint. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:02, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I sent a message to the SFE editors asking about that since their bio says to not confuse the Clint Smith they list with the one who did the Gholjaw collection, but they list the Ghouljaw collection in that same bio. In the meantime, I've added a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?362778 Clint Smith (I)] entry until we know more. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:08, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: The SFE entry has been fixed and I have added notes to the ISFDB record. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:12, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Carl (J.) Hoffman ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5648405; Here's a weird one. This rare book was uploaded recently so I made the above edit, checked afterwards for Carl J. Hoffman, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2144766, I think it's a mistake and should be this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?945236. Mistake by editor here or Italian editor in the Horror Story anthology? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:09, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Third Alternative #6 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?61651; I fixed a poem title ("Latest Things") and there's a story that's dated March here, there's 2 mentions in the zine of March, I propose all contents and issue itself be dated March. Yes or no? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:59, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:I think if you could find a scan of #5 and it had an "In March" section on the TOC page (as this one has "In July"), you could use March and cite that as the source of the date. Unfortunately, there's no source cited for the March date on "The Bee Keepers", so we can't tell if there was something ascribing a March date to this issue and how authoritative that source might be. Otherwise, the standard treatment for issues with timing specified by season is to use just the year, so we're stuck. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:42, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dom and Va ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5648943; ISBN trouble. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:19, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:That's what shows on the copyright page as well as the LOC entry, so that's what we go with. I added a couple additional notes based on the Archive.org copy that's linked there. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:56, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Flexi-Disc?!? ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5649045; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5649045; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5649045; Related to my mention here somewhere a while ago that magazines uploaded years ago on Archive.org aren't always complete, I took a look at these since there were only a few issues published. The first 2 had a few things fixed/added, but the 3rd is most interesting. According to front cover, contents, and intro something called a "flexi-disc" with music from The Bridge, an old Skipp & Spector horror novel that apparently was made into a film or something, was included in this issue. Now I'm certainly no youngster but I don't have a clue what that is; was it some pre-Internet music format or something? Was it like a CD? Anyway, the uploader, Sketch the Cow, who added a metric ton of old genre zines years ago, likely removed the disc but it seems to have screwed up the pages because there are several missing. Most alarming is the supposed JK Potter art for the Ray Bradbury poem, a little bit of which is on the contents page but nowhere to be seen in the zine itself. So I think the starting page entered here may be off for at least the poem, possibly others, too. Any chance someone owns a mint copy who's willing to unseal it and respond here? Also, there's always the possibility I missed a few other mistakes in these issues; there's also movie reviews and such that someone may think are worth entering, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:38, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Hi, Username!<br />
: Flexi disc is phonograph record made of thin, literally flexible :) piece of vinyl. <br />
: Those discs used as a means to include sound (speech or music) with printed magazines or sometimes books before CDs.<br />
: For an example, look at the popular Soviet literary and musical magazine [https://back-in-ussr.com/2021/02/sovetskiy-muzykalnyy-zhurnal-krugozor.html "Krugozor"] (the article is in Russian, but it should be clear from the photos). --[[User:Zlogorek|Zlogorek]] ([[User talk:Zlogorek|talk]]) 04:50, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks. I see that I've never left a message on your page in all the years you've been here, so welcome. This Bridge flexi-disc thing is bugging me because there's literally almost no mention of it online that I can find except on discogs.com and a random comment on Goodreads where a guy named "Tom" says "At least I have a flexi-disc of one song from the soundtrack". Highly unusual when every minute detail of almost everything is mentioned somewhere. Skipp and Spector were once 2 of the most popular horror authors around so you'd think this item would be hot stuff but no, nothing. The important thing, though, is finding a complete issue of Iniquities #3 so we can see exactly how the contents are. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:53, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Nina A. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?328172; These are both by Nina Allan. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:23, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I have fixed the Strange Horizon review, as that can be clearly seen to be correctly attributed on the SH webpage.<br />
: The story is a bit more of a pain, because it's in a PVed pub, and there are some other related issues. I'll message the editor in question. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 11:21, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jewish Fiction Award ==<br />
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The [https://jewishlibraries.org/jewish-fiction-award/ Jewish Fiction Award] has been given by the Association of Jewish Libraries to works with significant Jewish themes each year since 2018 (first year they were awarded). It looks like these are the types of awards:<br />
*Winner<br />
*Honor Book<br />
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This is a general fiction award for novels or collections of short fiction by a single author, with genre works winning or receiving honors on occasion. It doesn't appear to be a poll (I can't find details on exactly how the winner is decided each year), there's no fee to enter, works published only as ebooks are not eligible, reprints of previously-published work are not eligible, and the full guidelines are [https://jewishlibraries.org/fiction-award-submission-guidelines/ here]. Should we add it? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:45, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The organization behind the award has been [https://jewishlibraries.org/history/ around for generations] and they have given awards to SF works like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2993594 ''Atomic Anna'']. Looks eligible to me. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:03, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Hearing no objection, I have created a new [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?104 award type], two award categories and two award records. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:36, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Thanks! Those are the only two I could determine are genre. None of the others seemed like genre works. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:03, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Lovecraft Studies ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5650639; A dozen random issues of this magazine were uploaded on Archive.org in 2016 but today, while looking for something else, I stumbled on a single issue that was uploaded by a completely different person in 2021. Surprisingly, there was quite a bit that needed added/fixing; I tried my best, but I'm sure someone can improve on a few things after it's approved. Dirk B. entered it here in 2019 so he might want to look at it. Also, I made a follow-up edit merging "More Chain Lightning" by Lovecraft, keeping 1915 date and essay format. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:23, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mr. Murphy ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5651017; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5651022; There's a note by someone discussing Jim/James A. Moore's name in the anthology but it turns out Murphy's name was wrong here; however, in their novel he really was credited just as Kevin Murphy. There's also a story, "Awake", published in old British horror zine Peeping Tom, many 90's/early 2000's cover art credits (some for books by Moore and so very possibly by the same Murphy who wrote with him), an interview with a guy from the old MST3K show, and a (II) who wrote a letter to Analog in the late 70's. So when my edits are approved the Murphys need separating if anyone can figure out who's who. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:33, 1 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Tinmey ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=tinm&type=Name; Same person, probably. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:49, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Peter Tate ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?11147; Note in his first story says it's slightly different version of the second story. Should they be made variants? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:36, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Looking for 90s e-zine Cosmic Visions ==<br />
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Good afternoon. I am trying to find any information about the late 90s ezine 'Cosmic Visions' that was put out by John Fultz for several years. I spoke to the editor myself, and he said he had no records or copies remaining. Specificaly, I am trying to find the September '97 edition which included a story by Stanley C. Sargent called "Synopticon of Fear". Does anyone have a lead re. any collectors or archivists out there that may be able to point me in the right direction? Thank you! --[[User:MagusManders|MagusManders]] ([[User talk:MagusManders|talk]]) 15:24, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Was it published on a website? If so, do you know what the URL was? Was it published as an ebook? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:46, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::It was an ebook, distributed via PDF from cosmicvisions.com. The website went down in 1998, but there's some archived pages [https://web.archive.org/web/19970414113406/http://www.cosmicvisions.com/ here]. The editor told me that becase the copyrights were donated, each issue had an "expiration" date, but it wasn't clear to me if this meant he would stop distributing it, or if the files actually deleted themselves. And thanks for fixing my posting error. --[[User:MagusManders|MagusManders]] ([[User talk:MagusManders|talk]]) 15:59, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::https://web.archive.org/web/19970416090028/http://www.cosmicvisions.com/html/cvse.pdf; Only PDF in the archived pages as far as I can tell. None of the contents are on ISFDB. Whoopee. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:34, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::https://web.archive.org/web/20111119172143/http://www.stanleycsargent.com/bibliography.html; Looks like he had 5 stories in Cosmic Visions and an interview with Bruce Campbell, star of the Evil Dead movies (evidence of that seemingly nowhere online at present). So I think a lot more than the story you mentioned above are elusive; the only evidence of it I see is your comments on Reddit. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/note_search_results.cgi?OPERATOR=contains&NOTE_VALUE=cosmic+visions; famed author Brian A. Hopkins had a bunch of stories in the zine; non-famous author Sean Rodgers had at least one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:30, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Well, I'm working my way through the archived pages and trying to add what I can find. You can see the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?69784 issue grid here] for what I've entered so far. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:38, 3 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::It looks like a lot of big names were in this zine and it seemed to run for a long time. I keep finding random mentions in online bibliographies and such (even on LYSATOR, for God's sake), but I'd be happy if I could just find the Campbell interview. At least we now have that PDF linked here. Even the guy who ran the zine didn't seem to mention it; he probably forgot it was there. Websites in the nineties are like fossils now. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:52, 3 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Based on what I can find, it appears the magazine folded shortly after the January 1998 issue. I can't find anything in the archives about any issues beyond that one. So, it appears to have lasted about 1.5 years. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:17, 3 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::It looks like Robert Silverberg, Thomas Ligotti, Lin Carter, and Brian Lumley all contributed based on the entry on [http://www.lysator.liu.se/sf_archive/SF_resource_guide/sfrgc4.htm this page]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:31, 3 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I'm curious how you know "Synopticon of Fear" was in the September 1997 issue. I can't find that information anywhere, though I may not be searching for the right information. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:23, 3 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Ah, it's on the [https://web.archive.org/web/20111119172143/http://www.stanleycsargent.com/bibliography.html bibliography page archive] linked by Username, above. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:27, 3 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I think I've gotten the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?17678 Stanley C. Sargent] bibliography as far as I can with the current sources I've found. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:28, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Wow, thank you Nihonjoe and Username! You jumped on this faster than I could have imagined and did more than I could have myself! I am going to try to reach Robert M. Price to see if he has anything in his archives he's able to share, and I'll reach out to you if there's anything to be found. --[[User:MagusManders|MagusManders]] ([[User talk:MagusManders|talk]]) 14:22, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::You're welcome. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:01, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Atwood's Dancing Girls ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5653645; Nobody ever entered original Seal PB so I did from recently uploaded scan but got ISBN trouble. Only site in Google Search with the ISBN without the dashes is Open Library which of course links to Archive.org, but there's also 1 lonely site that has the ISBN with the dashes, https://leavesandpages.com/2012/07/03/review-dancing-girls-by-margaret-atwood/. So somebody out there has a copy with the same ISBN. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:00, 3 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Changing the checksum digit did not result in a valid ISBN. In these cases, we move the ISBN to the catalog field and make a note that it has an invalid ISBN in the pub notes. I have taken care of that. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:34, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Added another link to a copy and replaced cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:25, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_publisher&O_2=contains&TERM_2=seal&USE_3=author_canonical&O_3=contains&TERM_3=atwood&USE_4=pub_note&O_4=contains&TERM_4=isbn&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication]; Bluesman moved ISBN to ID like you did for one of his PV and left some notes in both PV about ISBN; apparently spines need to be seen to get the real ISBN. I just added the month to the 3rd printing using eBay and the ISBN on spine doesn't match that on copyright page, so Seal books were a mess, it seems. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:16, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Constable ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?532472; While adding a bunch of edits for Jonathan Aycliffe books I discovered a lot of the recent editions had wrong covers with somewhat different text. Constable & Robinson is the publisher for most on ISFDB but I also got a Corsair. Problem is most were actually published by the Constable imprint, with that publisher being on the title page and the copyright page mentioning it's an imprint of Constable & Robinson, but there's only a handful on ISFDB with imprint/publisher being entered correctly (I've fixed the few I've come across in my edits). However, Corsair is also an imprint of theirs and yet there are nearly 200 books on ISFDB by them but none as an imprint. That's a separate issue, but I'm only interested in this particular case where Constable is on the title page but copyright page now says it's an imprint of Little, Brown. There doesn't seem to be any combination of those on ISFDB so how should this imprint/publisher be entered? A text search on Archive.org revealed that the copyright text about Little, Brown for Aycliffe books only finds this one. There's several Little, Brown publishers on ISFDB, ISBN 1-4721 leads to several British ones. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:43, 4 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: From the 3 Constable anthologies I have print (*) pubs to hand for, it looks like something changed around 2014/5:<br />
: - [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?423965 Dozois' Best New SF 26] has "First published in the UK by Robinson, / an imprint of Constable & Robinson Ltd., 2013", and no mention of Little, Brown anywhere on the copyright page<br />
: - [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?573707 His Best New SF 29] by contrast has "First published in Great Britain in 2016 by Robinson"; there's no mention of Constable anywhere on the page, but down at the bottom it does have "Robinson / An imprint of Little, Brown Book Group". I note also that the address is the Hachette UK HQ at Carmelite House, whereas the previous 2013 book has Russell Square.<br />
: - [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?550958 The Mammoth Book of Kaiju] is also 2016 and has the same details as Best New SF 29.<br />
: (* I also have a bunch more of their anthologies in ebook that presumably have similar details, but as I'm led to believe that some people don't think there's any value in keeping records of them, I was disinclined to spend time digging them out and investigating further.)<br />
: Re. how these should be entered, I'll let someone more experienced speak to that, but my reading of [[Template:PublicationFields:Publisher]] is that whilst "Foo / Bar" may be preferable to "Foo" or "Bar", neither of the latter are intrinsically "incorrect"? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:59, 4 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK, thanks. Except for the sarcasm. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:07, 4 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Machen Merges ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?55418; Person who entered contents, J.D. Cowan (has their own record on ISFDB) didn't merge anything in the 2nd and 3rd volumes and a few things in the first may not be merged, either, from what I can tell. They seem to have generated a lot of messages on their page about not entering things properly but never answered any of them so it's pointless to leave a message there; if anyone wants to merge all of that I'm letting you know. Machen's stories were published under a mess of slightly different title variations so it probably won't be easy. Also, looking at his ISFDB page I see that stories jump from 1937 to 3 1987 Italian titles, a 2019 Italian title, and a 2022 Portuguese title; the 2019 story, Un frammento di vita, capitolo IV, is possibly the same as the last poem on his page, Un frammento di Vita, so that's another issue. Is it a story or a poem? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:57, 4 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Duplicates merged. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:50, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== FIRE ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5654147; Judging by edit history the title changed back and forth, with Stonecreek, I believe, entering the full title, but shouldn't all words be capitalized? ISFDB doesn't care how it's entered in the book, words should be capitalized, I seem to remember reading that somewhere? Also, Hand's ISFDB author image is the cover of this book; it would be nice if someone could find a good one to replace it with. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:51, 4 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dutch Tilly ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?542210; I have a few suggestions. There's a copy, https://archive.org/details/tillyroman0000pere, which is 111 pages, not 112, unless that last unnumbered page is in some way a part of the novel, in which case a note should be added about last page being unnumbered. Also, the subtitle Roman is not needed because it just means novel and those kinds of things aren't included in titles per ISFDB rules. Most importantly, this is some later edition judging by copyright page and 13-digit ISBN. By the way, there must be other genre-related books from this publisher, right? Because this is the only one on ISFDB. EDIT: I discovered something interesting while adding a link to the English-language edition; it says "a novel" on the cover but "the novel" on the title page because apparently it was originally an audio drama in 1986. So I don't know how exactly English translates to Dutch but if it's "the novel" then possibly that was meant to delineate between this print edition and the original spoken word. In which case subtitle "The Novel" should be added to the English and "Roman" left as is in the Dutch. If anyone cares about something so minor. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:11, 4 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bill Prosser ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/horrorshorrorsho0000unse/page/181/mode/1up; A rare British edition of one of Helen Hoke's thousand or so anthologies was just uploaded on Archive.org, I added a link and fixed the ISBN (which was incorrectly the same as the American ISBN) somebody entered from WorldCat, I think (I have a feeling a lot of stuff is wrong in these books considering how many different editors here entered them over the years and the insane mess of multiple printings, interior art being re-used between USA and British but often totally different cover art, etc.). However, in this case what I want to know is if there's a way to extract an image from the back flap, because there's actually a clear photo of Bill Prosser, who did interior art and British covers which are pretty awesome (sometimes re-used for USA, sometimes not). Date is 1978 but he looks like a dirty hippie who just crawled out of a commune in Haight-Ashbury or whatever the British equivalent of that was so I'm assuming this was an old photo that probably is in other British Hoke editions if anyone could actually find the damn things. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:47, 4 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:If you could update [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:Bill_Prosser.JPG this] page with the appropriate template variables, it should serve. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:08, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I'm a moron. I have no idea what that means so if you could explain further. Also, should I click on the image link and add it to his record in an edit? I think probably yes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:22, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::And I'm a maroon. I didn't know where or how to connect it up and this was the best I could do as it was just graphics. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 22:15, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::I have [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File%3ABill_Prosser.JPG&type=revision&diff=661373&oldid=661301 filled in] the license template. Each template page has the instructions for completing the template. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:37, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Masterless Swords ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5654953; Obscure NZ newspaper article has revealed the contents, the titles of which seem to be nowhere on the web. However, I'm assuming the first 2 should be marked non-genre after this is approved. The article doesn't explicitly state the 3rd story's title but it's implied; there's a copy on eBay which shows title page but not contents page, so if anyone here has a copy that could help with possibly identifying the cover artist, verifying the title, and determining story lengths (I'm guessing it's 3 novellas). EDIT: I thought of searching newspapers.com and got 1 hit in an English paper but sign-up is required so I searched Google, verbatim, and got nothing but searching non-verbatim got 1 hit, https://eresources.nlb.gov.sg/newspapers/digitised/issue/straitstimes19480422-1, which shows a little bit of a review on p. 9 which seems, from the text, like a different review than that above, so if anyone has a subscription or whatever then possibly this review may verify the 3rd story's title, which is the only genre one and the most important. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:18, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:This author is not above the threshold IMO so their non-genre content would not be eligible. While the newspaper review implies the title is the same as the collection title ("third story explains the title"), but it is not explicit. We need a better source for the title. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:21, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jack Red Bear ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5655023; I think the right thing is making original a variant of the more common name, right? If so, shouldn't the date of Strete title be 1977-10-00, date of his collection it appeared in under that name? Also, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=nocka&type=All+Titles, where Strete supposedly wasn't even co-credited in the original and apparently it was by Strete under an alternate title and then the original title in his collection. I'm passing the baton on that one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:56, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I varianted both stories to being by Bear and Strete. Due to how ISFDB works, if they were varianted to just Strete, they would disappear from the Bear page & we'd be left with an empty author page. It seems quite possible Bear was an alternate name for Strete so I added that to the {{A|Jack Red Bear}} author page, but without a source, it will have to remain speculation. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:12, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Selkie Questions ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Willem_H.#Signet_Selkie; I tried discussing things with this guy but he's giving me his usual attitude so I'm going to ask further questions on this board. So I see from edit history that back in my early days here I entered the exact HC date using a clear photo of a review copy slip that's on FantLab. Recently I entered a later printing of the Signet PB but things were messy because the map date said March due to somebody messing with the date long ago, although he claims it was in 2010 but I don't see that anywhere, I think he meant 2009. He fixed the map date so now it should obviously be imported into the HC since that's where it comes from. So do others here see, as I do, that the map is also on p. [6] of the HC like it is in the PB? PV of HC doesn't respond except by e-mail which I'm definitely not sending. He PV it in 2007, prehistoric days in terms of this site, so maybe people weren't entering things like maps back then. Also, if anyone thinks the page count really needs [6] added to it like this guy did for his PB PV they can always add it to the HC and my PB entry, you have my permission, although there's still the case of the mysterious 1990 12th printing entered, possibly, by Bluesman who's long-gone and also where printings 2, 4-11, and possibly more are and whether they all included the map. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:29, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:See [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?1351644 this submission] from April 2010, scroll down to Modified Regular Titles and you see the date change of the map to 1982-03-00. That was not messing with the date, but aligning it with the date of the hardcover edition, (1982-03-00 since [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?1241153 this october 2009 edit]. I pointed to the edit that changed the date to 1982-04-16 in May 2021. I also pointed to the helptext that explains why the pagenumber should be [6] for the first paperback printing. Is there anyone else who thinks this has anything to do with "attitude", or is this simply the same editor complaining whenever someone disagrees with anything he does? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 15:13, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::You also advised me that you skipped an edit I made for the HC of this book because I didn't leave a note on the PV's page even though it wasn't changing anything but just importing the map credit which either PV didn't think needed entering or maybe entering map info wasn't a thing here back in 2007, and whoever entered the map info in the PB forgot/didn't know or care to import it themselves (I see from edit history that the map was likely entered by Bluesman and APPROVED BY Mhhutchins, the same person who didn't enter it in the original HC that they PV, so why after approving it in the PB he didn't just import it himself to his own PV is a mystery that maybe you can ask him/her). Plus the fact that the PV has pretty much given up and doesn't respond to much of anything these days, requesting people send them an e-mail which I'm not going to do because the last thing I want is anyone on this site knowing my e-mail address. After our initial encounter a long time ago where you threw a fit because I told you I changed a few things in one of your PV and a few later unpleasant discussions we had you actually seemed to be responding professionally for a while to several of my messages without giving me much of a problem but I guess your meds ran out or something because you're back to your old self. You were the only active PV of the PB so I was trying to sort out the mess as I've done for thousands of other books but apparently your personal problems, whatever they are, are more important. Who cares, 50,000 edits done so far, losing 1 here or there doesn't bother me. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:10, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Please note that "your meds ran out or something" is a personal attack. They are not allowed as per [[ISFDB:Policy#Blocking_Policy]]. A warning has been left on [[User:Username]]'s Talk page as per the Policy. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:56, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== F&SF Sep/Oct 2022 ==<br />
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I noticed on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?20325 the F&SF series page] that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3103984 the Sep/Oct 2022 issue] isn't part of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2971585 the 2022 record]. I only have a vague understanding/recollection of how magazines work, so I'll let someone more familiar with them work out if this should really be like that, and if not, how it should be fixed. (FWIW that standalone issue is PVed, but by an editor who hasn't been around since the start of the year.) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 08:54, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I merged the two title records together. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:09, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks. (I'm currently in the middle of adding the remaining 100-odd Locus Award finalists, and didn't want to get sidetracked spending a bunch of time looking into that tangentially related issue.) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 10:05, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== A pricing anomaly ==<br />
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If we ever get into codifying multiple prices, here's an oddity to keep in mind - a book with two prices that are date dependent. <br />
"£19.99 until 31 December 1998" / "£24.99 from 1 January 1999". ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?949447 The Silmarillion]) ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 12:09, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== RVT ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=ray+van+tilb&type=Name; Very likely the same person, problem is 2 of the publications are scarce zines and the Dragon issue, which I checked on annarchive.com, says Raymond Van Tilburg. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:17, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:[https://efanzines.com/Argentus/Ag13.pdf This] explains (and lets us correct) the Tilberg [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?584053 here]. It's "Ray van Tilburg" on the cover and several mentions, but the artwork credit list below the TOC says "p.20 Ray van Tilberg". The artwork is credited on p. 20, however, with "Ray VanTilburg". The text associated with that begins "Ray Van Tilburg has a niche...". I am going to change it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 15:55, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::One follow-up on all of this: A little Googling reveals "VanTilburg" is correct, not "Van Tilburg". See the litany of [https://www.pinterest.com/aircool66/ Pinterest], [https://www.facebook.com/RayVanTilburgArt/ Facebook], [https://www.etsy.com/shop/ArtofRayVanTilburg Etsy], and his [https://offworlddesigns.com/ OffWorld Designs Art] site. Per ISFDB standard, spacing is normalized when recording the credit, so I am going to remove the space from the canonical name and note that an extra space is sometimes included in credits. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:36, 7 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Brown's Brightest Day ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=the+brightest+day&type=Fiction+Titles; While adding links to stories that were on the old House of Pain horror site I added a link to Eric S. Brown story "The Brightest Day" but according to ISFDB it was published in a 2002 issue of Black Petals as Eric Brown, which means that is lumped in with the well-known Eric Brown who wrote a lot of SF. So if anyone knows how to get that issue of Black Petals and verify what his name is then either it can be variant or merge. I suspect there are other stories on Eric Brown's page here that belong to Eric S. Brown. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:07, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Shumate Story ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Biomassbob#Time_To_Scare_Gramma; I suppose titles should be merged since they're the same but the lengths are totally different, so what do you suggest? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:27, 7 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Le James Bond ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?260470; French edition, https://archive.org/details/jamesbondchassea0000otfi, if anyone wants to enter it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:07, 7 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Leokum ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5657866; While doing this I saw an Arkady Leokum on Wikipedia with different birth/death dates but at the bottom of his credits is a book with Posnick (it's on Archive.org). Just thought that was weird. Maybe dad and son? Wiki mentions "pulp fiction" (doesn't list any, though) so maybe they're confusing Leonard with his dad, except that Wiki mentions a son but his name is Peter. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:13, 7 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Linton Christmas Story ==<br />
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http://www.philsp.com/homeville/FMI/n04/n04934.htm#A181; 2 separate titles that don't match the title here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2851147. EDIT: I made these 2 edits, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5658281, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5658282, but there's a problem with "The Veiled Portrait" because it was given the wrong name and the date doesn't match either of these, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1359048, so I think somebody with a copy of this book needs to correct info somebody entered here; it seems to be Toff, who judging by the few entries on their page also entered some other Valancourt anthologies, so a look at those may be needed, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:16, 7 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Asimov's Essays: The Hugo Winners ==<br />
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On Asimov's summary page we have the series [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?68833 Introductions for 'The Hugo Winners']. This excludes his other essays - afterwords, postscripts and appendices - and so I propose enabling their inclusion by renaming the existing series to "Asimov's Essays: The Hugo Winners". What do others think? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:48, 7 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: The existing series has only Asimov's essays, and is missing the introduction by [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?135920 Charles Sheffield]. Not including it suggests the title is wrong, but including it keeps it from being Asimov as your proposed title suggests. Also, prefixing it with "Asimov's Essays:" suggests that there are, or should be, other collections of his essays. Given how many he has written and how often they are reused, it may be difficult to categorize them. I think the series adds little value and don't care if it's changed, but I do think that a hierarchy of titles (e.g. "The Hugo Winners", "Essays for 'The Hugo Winners'") should be considered. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:24, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Author DJ Tyrer ==<br />
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I have been working on a number of publications involving DJ Tyrer, as an editor or a contributor. In the actual publications, he is always credited as DJ Tyrer not [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?153003 D. J. Tyrer]. Despite this, the ISFDB only showed separate initials. A quick check of the canonical record's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/author_history.cgi?153003 edit history] shows three merges. I contacted DJ and he confirms his first name is David-John, one name. He only goes by DJ. Separate initials are wrong. I intend to merge the two author records and all the appropriate title records. David-John Tyrer and David John Tyrer (one title each) will remain alternate names unless I can verify an error. I will add a note to the new canonical record so there will be no question in the future. He was also kind enough to review his summary bibliography and only found 4 errors, which I will correct. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:59, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5659503; There are at least a few other thehorrorzine.com Tyrer poetry pages currently online spanning several years where they printed several poems on each page, including "Afraid of the Dark" which has a 2021 date here but it's on a 2018 Horror Zine page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:15, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Sounds good to me. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:26, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Gruft ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?495335; While doing edits for F. Paul Wilson books I saw this; that looks like a Les Edwards cover, doesn't it? If so, someone who can ID it can also variant it to the original. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:00, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Lincoln Hunters Date ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?9373; I just added a link to the Rinehart 1st ed. and I think the dates are wrong because they're from the club ed. which usually comes later; anyone know original date? 3 PV of club ed., 2 long-gone and 1 with a very odd name has zip on their discussion page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:16, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Butterfly Revolution Questions ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?20540; Some more editions of Butler's books recently uploaded on Archive.org, I've been making some edits, I noticed someone (Don Erikson?) wrote a note about where they got cover artist from for the original American PB but didn't actually enter the artist. So if anyone has the book he got it from they may want to enter it. Also, the most recent American PB on ISFDB is a 20th printing but there's a 1984 19th printing uploaded with the same cover, so if anyone knows which edition was the first to use that cover they can fix the art date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:16, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bloch's Second Coming ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1222802; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?97532; Might be the same thing. This, https://socialistjazz.blogspot.com/2017/04/ffb-eighth-stage-of-fandom-by-robert.html, describes it as articles about Jesus; this, https://cthulhuwho1.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/2256_inventory_4.pdf, says it was in an obscure periodical, Osgledaren, foreign I'm guessing. So some obscure things here, Taboo, Eighth Stage of Fandom, and that periodical are not anywhere I can see, so help if you can. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:03, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Joan D. Vinge's Heaven Chronicles and Vernor Vinge's Zones of Thought - same series? ==<br />
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Per [https://www.tor.com/2023/05/10/five-authors-who-wrote-sequels-to-someone-elses-work/ a James Davis Nicoll piece published today on tor.com], ''"Finally, there is the curious matter of Joan D. Vinge’s 1978 [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1423 Outcasts of Heaven Belt], which shares a setting with Vernor Vinge’s [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?11587 Zones of Thought] stories... Vinge explained the genesis of her novel and the connection to the Zones in a 2008 letter to her readers. Until I read that letter, I had no idea there was a connection"'' and there's a link to [https://web.archive.org/web/20160303224912/http:/www.sff.net/people/jdvinge/letter_20081103.htm an archive.org copy of that letter] (which I've only skimmed over).<br />
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There are a fair number of PVs of both the Joan and Vernor Vinge novels, any thoughts on whether those series could/should be merged, one made a subseries of the other, just have linking series notes, etc? I don't have any personal opinion or insight on this, as the only one of them I've read was A Fire Upon the Deep, which I have to confess I DNFed a third of the way through... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 10:53, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The linked article says:<br />
:* ...the "Heaven Belt" stories are linked to the "Zones of Thought" series created and written by my former husband (and still friend), Vernor Vinge.<br />
: I would turn the two series into sub-series of a super-series. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:12, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks - I've created [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?69884 an unimaginatively named superseries] with some brief extracts from that letter, and a link to it. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:13, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== We Are All Legends ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5661090; My note is in addition to notes that other editors wrote for the other 2 editions on ISFDB. I assume ISFDB rules state that this should be a collection as opposed to a novel even though it's called a novel on the copyright page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:40, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Trek: The Lost Years ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5661789; James Van Hise is on title page regardless of what cover and Archive.org note writer says, so what's the procedure? Shouldn't it say James Van Hise (in error) and variant to Edward Gross? Assuming, of course, that Van Hise didn't actually write it. EDIT: Cover artist has an extensive record without their middle initial; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?133578. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:40, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== RWH ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?175902; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?58684; Someone added link to one of Hedge's poems years ago so I just added link to the other poem even though 1990s Nightscapes issues are somehow still online and not hard to find; however, I think this is a pseudonym for Ron Goulart because that essay (not short fiction as ISFDB calls it) from F&SF is clearly a fake bio. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5662212; I found another poem by "Hedge" hiding in that HPL issue. This page, http://www.epberglund.com/RGttCM/nightscapes/NS04/hplindex.htm, lists all the letters and other stuff that The FictionMags Index didn't list in case anyone thinks those need entering. The date is fishy, too, because it was published in October judging by the production dates but it's called "April-October". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:36, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Sargent Review ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?395035; Title is wrong, it's Lost Cities, note makes no sense with the dates vs. book date, non-genre series book with many other Lost Cities volumes, only here because of review, delete? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:04, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Book deleted. Review turned into an essay. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:06, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I just fixed a short story in Sargent's record, turning it into an essay; I think it was this one so mistake was made when entering, I guess. I also added a few more story and poem links and think that I've done pretty much all there is to be done with him for now, at least until someone uploads one of his hard-to-find books, which will probably open a can of worms because I see at least one problem with 2 of his stories probably being the same but one having a subtitle in his collection. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:40, 16 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Hitler Art ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5649674; Someone familiar with the foreign editions, tell us which cover Hoffmann really did. SFE, as so often before, has wrong info, but it was obviously wrong anyway because it's a tinted photo of Adolf H. who didn't come to power until long after Hoffmann died. I tried to explain that in my note but it didn't help. So when someone identifies which cover is his this can be un-rejected. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:53, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I see JLaTondre just updated the book with notes and mentioned the Hoffmann credit that's on the flap; however, this can't possibly be the Hoffmann on ISFDB because he died decades before Hitler came to power and so clearly isn't the artist here, especially since it's just a photo, anyway. So either book has wrong info or there's someone else with the same name who's responsible. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:07, 14 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::(edit conflict) SFE was correct. It is credited on the back flap of the book. The photograph is by Heinrich Hoffmann (1885–1957), Adolf Hitler's official photographer. I have disambiguated this Hoffmann from the other one. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:11, 14 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Investigations of Avram Davidson ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5663113; Fixed this up but there's another record, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?35403, which has an award nomination, so I think the award should probably be moved to the record I just edited and the other record deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:01, 12 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Fixed. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:02, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== John Stewart ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?27454; I just had author image approved and noticed that short story is likely not by the artist because he died several years earlier. There's also an alternate name for the story which was also an alternate name for a few interior pieces by the artist. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:32, 12 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: The publisher's website and the title verso of the publication containing the story agree the authors name is Jeff Stewart, not John Stewart. I'm hoping it's this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?131106 Jeff Stewart]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:52, 12 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== C. Armitage Harper ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5663571; Death date very different, mother's name slightly different, verification needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:14, 12 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== External ID template additional wording needed ==<br />
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In the Template:PublicationFields:ExternalIDs [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:ExternalIDs here], for the Audible-ASIN entry, could something like "If the Audible ASIN is an ISBN-10, convert the ISBN-10 value to ISBN-13 and place the ISBN-13 value in the ISBN field." be added after the sentence that reads "Also note that, unlike regular Amazon ASINs, we record Audible ASINs even when they match the ISBN-10."? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:30, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I think I must have put this in the wrong discussion group so I just copied this to Rules & Standards. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 06:54, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Harry O ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?273603; I randomly came across a non-fiction book by R. Matheson, Mediums Rare, that was never entered here but after doing so it said Harry O. Morris was a disambiguated name because of that 1 wrongly-entered cover credit; do I have permission to merge with this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1282130, since PV with wacky name never responds to any messages sent to them on their page? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:42, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I merged them. That was an obvious error (entering the cover illustrator & interior designer and labeling them with their roles). --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:47, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Crispino Cover ==<br />
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https://fantlab.ru/art9850; Says he's Italian but credits on ISFDB are for German books, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?244341; cover on FantLab is the same as this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?603133. Also, the note on FantLab about the artist (RIGHT-CLICK AND CLICK TRANSLATE TO ENGLISH), if I understand it correctly, says he's wrongly credited as D. Crispino in that book. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:33, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Martin H. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=martin+hof&type=Name; I think the 2 German artists are the same person. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:04, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:There is an English artist, a German artist, and a German essayist. If you question the credit on any of these, they all have active verifiers whom you can ask to double check. Otherwise, you would need a source that shows any of these are the same person in order to create an alternate name. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:56, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== John Craig ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?19264; None of those are by the guy who died before any of them were written/drawn, and likely none have anything to do with each other, although it's slightly possible the guy who wrote the stories wrote the essays, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:08, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Tipped-In ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?815229; Book is 1920, preface is 1930, this page, http://wormwoodiana.blogspot.com/2016/01/the-revels-of-orsera-query.html, says it was tipped into leftover copies of the 1920 edition, link someone provided here to Harvard copy doesn't seem to have the preface, this copy does, https://archive.org/details/b29826123, what do you suggest? Add Archive.org link and mention preface in notes? Clone edition? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:06, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I would make a second pub, 1930, for the one on Archive.org, with that dated pre-TOC preface in the contents as the differentiator (note it also has a "By the same author" list not seen in the other copy, and the "v" number on the first TOC page no longer aligns with the physical page count). The linked Harvard copy has the library's date stamp "Dec 6 1920", which pretty much guarantees it is an edition published before that date and can't possibly have a 1930 preface. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:51, 14 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== DW and the Genesis of the Daleks ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=dicks+daleks+pinnacle; According to edit history I added Archive.org link to Day last year although I have absolutely no recollection of doing so. However, the recently-uploaded Genesis is problematic; it says second printing, May 1982 with a $1.95 price but the only ISFDB edition with that price says 1-1981 and the 1982 edition is $2.50. So someone who knows the complex history of these Who books can add the link if they can decide which edition it belongs to. I assume it should be the 1981 because that has the right ISBN in which case the date would need changing, but then the 1982 would need a new date because it's a third printing. There's no note in 1983 that it's a fourth printing, either (and no price), although there is for the fifth and sixth printings. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:08, 14 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== French Dark Channel ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=garton+alliance; I've been doing a lot of Ray Garton edits and came across this in case anyone wants to enter a French edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:14, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ronald Fraser Art ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5666000; Unusual last name of artist, he's on ISFDB, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?373087, Desert title page photo online says E. while signature can't be found on Flower Phantoms cover but few online mentions use Eric; I also added a link to Fraser's Landscape With Figures and the artist there is also on ISFDB twice, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=lucchesi&type=Name, with 1 cover clearly signed E. and the other Edmund. So I mention these things in case after approval someone decides which names are parents and wants to variant the other ones. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:59, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Saga Press Dates ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?576157; I just did an edit adding Archive.org link to this; I don't often deal with such recent books so I'm not familiar with Saga but is it normal for their print books to have one date, in this case 0816, on the flap and another date, in this case November 2016, on the copyright page? One of the bios at the back says a book from one of the authors "will appear in August 2016". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:45, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== E. Gornall ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=gornall&type=Name; While adding some M. John Harrison edits I was going to add a link to Ice Monkey but it was already there via RTrace last year, but I noticed artist Eddie Gornall is also on ISFDB as Eddi; PV of that book, Jlassen (Jeremy Lassen?) is gone and never responded to any messages, copy on eBay shows everything except back flap where I assume cover credit is, and Archive.org copy of Ice Monkey is coverless. I can't get a handle online about what his real name was so if anyone knows they can variant one to the other, assuming they're really spelled differently. Being older fantasy books I assume some people on here have their own copies they can check. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:15, 16 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zombie Apocalypse ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?36612; I made a bunch of edits to a few of the anthologies; I'll just mention that they don't really say "Mammoth Book of" on US title pages, just on the cover, so there's really no variant titles. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:29, 16 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jagendorf ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5666413; "Demon and the Rabbi" was the only title I couldn't fix, appearing in one of Helen Hoke's anthologies (one of several by him in her books) as M. A., in his collection as Moritz A., and ISFDB saying it first appeared in 1968 somewhere under some unknown name; anthology says it comes from his collection Ghostly Folktales (not on ISFDB) but gives no date. So take a look at that after approval if you wish. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:36, 16 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Hoke Horrors ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5654666; I've made another edit simply adding the Archive.org link, but someone more versed than I in technical stuff can help explain what should be done with this. SBN is for Brits, ISBN is for Americans, why SBN gets no hits I have no idea but that's clearly the number on the copyright page. Why did Helen Hoke have to edit so MANY books and why did the American publishers change so much but not change other stuff and confuse everybody? A good assignment for someone with a lot of patience would be to go through her entire ISFDB list and double-check everything; they re-used British covers for American editions sometimes but other times they were completely different, both editions of each anthology would need to be seen side-by-side to verify if the Bill Prosser illustrations are the same between editions, British spelling of certain words in story titles that may or may not have been used for American titles, multiple printings of certain books of which very few have been entered here, etc. Someone keeps uploading ex-library copies on Archive.org but the titles of some of her books are so similar it's hard to keep track of them or remember if I added links or not. On a side note I discovered that at least a few of her books were part of a pub. series called Terrific Triples but that's only mentioned on their copyright pages; I have a couple of pending edits adding the series but hell if I can remember which ones they were; many more out there, it seems, some for her many non-genre books not on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:46, 17 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Brief server downtime at noon ==<br />
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The server will be down for maintenance between 12pm (noon) and 12:05pm server time (Eastern Daylight Time). [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:10, 17 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The server is back up. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:01, 17 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::If that was related to the many messages by Alvonruff lately, what is the hoped-for outcome of his behind-the-scenes work? Will it improve anything on our, the editors, end? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:12, 17 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: The downtime was unrelated to the project that Al is currently working on. It was simply to free up some disk space.<br />
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::: Al's work will update what's happening behind the scenes and -- eventually -- improve our multilingual support. For example, it will let our searches recognize that the Cyrillic letters "А" and "а" are the same for search purposes.<br />
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::: More generally, we need to update the underlying software that we are using. At this point it's so old that it's no longer supported by the vendor. It can cause a variety of security and compatibility issues. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:41, 17 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Quanta ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?54005; Chris J entered all issues on ISFDB but there are several missing; this page, https://web.archive.org/web/19990224223357/http://www.etext.org/Zines/Quanta/issues.html, seems to have all of them, in case Chris is still around and wants to finish them or someone else is interested. I noticed this because the serial by Vassilakos is missing several parts on ISFDB (it also says 17 parts but archived page ends at 16 so that's odd). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:16, 17 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:He's still around because he just made a ton of edits adding/fixing stuff. Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:25, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::All done.--[[User:Chris J|Chris J]] ([[User talk:Chris J|talk]]) 17:08, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pertwee's Whodunnit? ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/whodunnit0000radn; I came across this randomly, seems to be a murder mystery anthology but some of those titles (especially "A Curse on the Pharaoh's Rod", hee hee) sound like they could be genre. Anyway, a Who is on the cover so that may push it over the line. Older Brits here may have read this in their youth and remember details. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:24, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Merge Titles -- more error checking added ==<br />
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"Merge Titles" has been enhanced to perform additional checks before creating submissions. You can no longer create Merge Title submissions which would result in "circular" variants, i.e. variants whose parent record ID is itself. If you come across any issues, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:37, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Non-Genre Stories ==<br />
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After recently printing contents not available elsewhere (which is most of them) from the 1935 British anthology My Grimmest Nightmare at a local library I've finally started reading them and discovered that several are non-genre so I've been marking those and giving brief synopses. This is a common issue here with collections/anthologies both old and new; I think it would be helpful if editors who come across non-genre stories mark them and write a synopsis so people will know which are genre and which aren't. I also want to mention that this anthology is nuts. I read the rare A. Blackwood story long before the others and it was pretty creepy, as expected, but besides the several ghost stories there are a philosophical discussion of the afterlife with what seems to be an atheistic ending (probably raised a few eyebrows back then), a slice-of-life about a sad old guy in a top hat who gets hit by a bus, an account of 2 hikers lost in the mountains that seems like it strayed in from National Geographic, a shopkeeper who apparently gets punished because he didn't donate enough money to charity, and my favorite, a jungle tale of an explorer who encounters spiders, were-hyenas, and a giant half-spider/half-were-hyena which ends with what I think was meant to be a nasty joke about his bride-to-be's looks (no #MeToo in 1935). Least favorite so far? Probably the one about the guy who likes SOS messages on the radio and decides to visit some old guy looking for his long-lost son; the old guy's Irish maid is drawn so broadly I'm surprised she wasn't chewing on a potato when she answered the door. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:49, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Reginald-3 ==<br />
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I got a sudden urge to know what is entailed when someone makes a Reginald-3 verification, I think it's called. I know RTrace does a ton of them and I see a few others doing it occasionally, but where do you go to check that and what exactly is it? Maybe I'll try some. Are secondary verifications considered something important here or do people just do them because they want to? Does anyone find them useful? Are there any rare ones people have been looking for? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:08, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:When you're viewing a publication page, click on "Reginald-3" in the Secondary Verifications section and it will take you to [[Reference:Reginald3|this page]]. It's a big case-bound book that has tons of author, titles, awards, and such in it. It's a very useful thing to have , but only for works published between 1975-1991. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 00:09, 19 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?4975; Did it for Seth Pfefferle's 2 books since I entered 1 of them early last year. Is this something people have been doing since 2006 when public editing started here or is it recent? Because it seems weird that those books had never been verified before someone like me did them. Are there, like, tens of thousands of books still not verified or have most of them been done already? What's the criteria for not verifying something in that book? Is it known to have lots of mistakes? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:32, 19 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::It's generally considered reliable, but unless you have access to the book (Reginald-3) itself, you shouldn't be verifying anything with it. It's got around 1500 pages (if I'm remembering correctly), and it's always possible it's missed some books that were published in that period. However, for the books it does have, it's considered very accurate. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:26, 19 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::It's easy to verify with it because I'm using the Archive.org copy that I added a link to 6 months ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:46, 19 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Awesome! Have fun adding the verifications. I don't think those even require a moderator to approve them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:52, 19 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::Honestly, as soon as I added those 2 verifications I lost all interest. Half the "fun" of editing here, for me, is waiting for a mod to look at my edits and then decide whether to approve them (50,000 and counting, in the top half-dozen all-time for a non-mod/non-self-approver and the only one who still edits regularly except for "Fixer" which is a robot and doesn't really count), especially when they claim something was wrong when it actually wasn't and then think they can argue with me. If I'm lucky sometimes they even apologize when they find out they made a mistake. Doing Reginald seems entirely pointless if there's no approval needed. I only mention my adding the link so that others here who actually want to verify those ID know that the book is readily available. It seems to me that one of the computer geniuses who are on this site should have figured out a way by now to trawl the book and automatically add ID to all books that don't have them yet, but maybe it's not easy/possible to do. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:23, 19 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Adventures Of The Adventurers' Club ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5669128; https://searchworks.stanford.edu/view/9339400; I think the edition on ISFDB should really be paperback because of the cover and price; Stanford copy linked above is clearly hardcover and notice that it doesn't mention drawing on title page like Archive.org copy does. So what do you think? Change to PB and maybe clone a HC edition with Stanford link? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:44, 19 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Phenix ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5669692; Story seems never to have been reprinted in English but it was in a French gaming magazine for some reason, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?39139, https://www.amazon.com/Phenix-n45-magic-jeux-role/dp/2871535426, in case anyone wants to enter it. I'm guessing there's more translated stories in the other missing issues. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:19, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== French Potter ==<br />
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https://www.google.com/search?q=potter+scalehunter+ebay; I just added an Archive.org link to Scalehunter in a pending edit and I don't see that art so I don't know if it's in a limited edition or what but I noticed it's also here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?727762; French cover art should be a variant, I think. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:46, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== L. Ron Hubbard's Colon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?8224; I've been adding links to copies of this series including several that are only Open Library non-preview and I noticed that editors over the years entered the title randomly with it being almost evenly divided between commas after Future or not. So a standard should really be decided on and titles fixed so they all match, although I think going by ISFDB rules they should all have a colon after Future, right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:28, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Boom! Comics - Firefly/ Serenity ==<br />
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Is there anywhere a list of the stories Boom! Comics have produced for the Firefly/ Serenity series?<br />
The usual artist is Greg Pak. <br />
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The company's website is a mess and they don't seem to announce anything. {{Unsigned2|14:35, May 20, 2023|Femmefan1946}}<br />
:They're likely all listed over on [https://firefly.fandom.com/wiki/Firefly_(comic_series) the Firefly Database]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:27, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Canonical name Amir Zand ==<br />
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There is an canonical author [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?284398 Amir Zand (San)] but only one title is credited to him. 10 titles are credited to his alternate name Amir Zand. Wouldn't it be useful to change the canonical name? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 16:11, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Go ahead and make the switch. Please add his [https://amirzand.art/ website] to the new canonical name. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:24, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Done. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 08:16, 25 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 08:55, 25 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Next time, please do not use "'Make This Title a Variant' (breaking the relationship) and 'Delete This Tile (previous canonical) for titles only published under the previous alternate name. Use advanced search and then merge the two titles, paying attention to the radio buttons. Not only is this one edit instead of two, but will save the information from the previous canonical title record. Delete should always be your last option! [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:08, 25 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Fantasist Anthology ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5670646; This book, even though it has a PV, had a lot of stuff missing/entered wrong, so after approval please take another look to make sure I caught everything or didn't make a few mistakes myself. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:21, 21 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Since Don is no longer present, I will accept the edit and make some other updates based on the Internet Archive scan. But first, I'm going to point out the existing bad page number to Ahasuerus as it seems like the clean-up report should have caught that, but it is not listed. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:28, 21 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Rebecca M. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisheryear.cgi?40797+2012; I added image to Sparks; cover artist is obviously the same person for both books but spelled differently, Amazon previews don't reveal anything helpful, so if anyone knows a way to see how she's credited that can be fixed. Also, while looking for the publisher I saw there's another Earthbound, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?354536, which may or may not be the same, but there's a problem in that the book is called 3rd in a series but the first 2 on ISFDB were published years later by a different author. So that might be a mistake. EDIT: 1 of Mr. Lobe's books available and entered here by me, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5670781. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:57, 21 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Darker Places ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?66822; I'm sure there aren't many Matheson collections that don't have numbered contents here so I thought I'd found something special when I saw FantLab's page, https://fantlab.ru/edition117836, until I saw the note (RIGHT-CLICK to translate) which is kind of unclear. So if anyone has a copy maybe they can say what the numbers should be and enter them (unless someone understands what the FantLab writer was trying to say). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:18, 21 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Earthsea numbering ==<br />
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Gollancz are putting out a new hc of the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?39404 Tales from Earthsea] collection this week, and I noticed that a few places such as [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Tales-Earthsea-Fifth-Book/dp/1399602411 Amazon UK] and [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Tales-Earthsea-Fifth-Book/dp/1399602411 Gollancz] are listing it as "The Fifth Book of Earthsea". However, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?4220 the series page here] has this collection unnumbered, with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?21392 The Other Wind] as #5. In turn, Amazon UK and Waterstones have The Other Wind listed as book 6 of the series.<br />
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Now, I appreciate that the often crappy data that appears on retailer sites doesn't necessarily count for much when determining what gets recorded in ISFDB. However, I do see that the Gateway ebooks of these titles - not currently recorded here, although I'll try to rectify that shortly - do have "The Fifth/Sixth Book of Earthsea" as subtitles on their title pages, which perhaps lends more weight to that numbering scheme? <br />
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I've double checked my Orion UK tps of these, and neither has any such subtitle. I also have the UK ebook of the collected Vess illustrated edition, and whilst I haven't spotted anything that explicitly says either book is numbered 5 or 6, there's an afterword that states (my emphases): "Here at last, for the first time, is Earthsea, in English, '''all together in the right order'''. .... The six books of Earthsea ... and in England one publisher calls it a quartet, and '''another reversed the order of the fifth and sixth books as if it didn't matter.'''" This also makes me think that 5=Tales/6=Other Wind might be the more correct/author-approved numbering.<br />
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(FWIW, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthsea the Wikipedia page] doesn't number them; it does state "the fifth and last novel of the series, The Other Wind", but obviously that's qualified by "novel" rather than "book".) [[Template:TitleFields:SeriesNum]] doesn't indicate anything about collections being treated differently to novels when it comes to series numbering.<br />
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Despite owning duplicate copies of these, I've never actually read any of them, so I don't have a dog in this fight, but wondering if there might be consensus for a change? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 07:58, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I've read the first four novels so far only, so I can't comment on the contents of ''Tales from Earthsea'' and ''The Other Wind''. But I own the {{P|678370|German edition of the collected Vess illustrated edition}}, which contains an introduction by Le Guin, written by her in 2016 and which should be {{T|2437124|this one}} in the English edition. In this introduction, she's mentions the "six Earthsea volumes" and explains, how ''Tales from Earthsea'' and ''The Other Wind'' came into life. She stresses that ''Tales from Earthsea'', "the fifth book" (!) has been treated as marginal, but, according to her, is essential for the series. As a result I'd say you are correct: 5=Tales/6=Other Wind. That's also the order the works are printed in the illustrated edition. Jens [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] ([[User talk:Hitspacebar|talk]]) 15:04, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks - if I don't hear any objections, I'll do the 5/6 renumbering in a couple of days. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 13:14, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== BM ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5671406; https://www.amazon.com/Beastmaster-Myth-Richard-Knaak/dp/1439144176; I can just make out "51600" in archived copy's back cover barcode through the sticker but that Amazon page linked above has a much higher price but the same ISBN and look inside has the same number line, so if anyone knows if there were later printings or something let us know. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:31, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ayan(n)a Mathis ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=na+mathis&type=Name; I added a link to the Times supernatural issue and it is Ayana, but I can't get a clear idea of how Ayanna is credited or which is her real name because she's called both all over the web, plus a Christian website I came across congratulated her on getting married and changing her name from Ayanna Thomas. So does anyone know more about her? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:28, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I have absolutely zero knowledge of this author or their works, but the impression I get from Google results (and the photos next to the various results) is that there are 2 different people, with the single-n one being an author who's the most likely candidate to be the one of interest here, based on [https://www.ayanamathis.com/ author website] and [https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/155206/ayana-mathis/ publisher site]. The double-n one seems to be some sort of influencer/self help guru?<br />
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: The two titles associated with the double-n author name are from the same fairly recent PVed pub by Gzuckier, so I'll post on his page to look at this item. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:05, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I'm looking at the Times archive online, and it looks like I misentered the recent review, and it should be Ayana. I'll change it. Thanks for the alert. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 23:18, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ace Books / Ace Fantasy Books ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?18305; All 3 Ace editions are on Archive.org so I added links but while they all say "Ace Fantasy Books" on title page only 1 edition says that here. There's over a hundred here as by that name so I just thought it was odd; I wonder how many other books here as by "Ace Books" are actually by the longer name and whether it would matter to anyone to fix those; did they officially change their name to the shorter version at some point after 1986? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:43, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pyramids ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?697334; I was fixing a few Zebra Books from 1986 and on that should have had Kensington as part of the publisher; I got most of them except a few romance junk novels that were reprinted like a thousand times so I didn't even bother with those because I'm not even sure if they belong here. However, I was disturbed to discover afterwards that many of the old 70s-early 80s Zebra Books have Kensington as part of the publisher (?) I suspect I know who entered many of them so I will now start fixing those but the first one I looked at wasn't entered by that person but rather by Artisan, who I don't believe is around anymore. Not sure why it was accepted because the author is not above threshold in the slightest and this book is seventies paranormal "non-fiction" nonsense. So it should probably be deleted, but if not at least the regular date should be changed to March because editor mentioned that in their note but didn't actually make it so. EDIT: After further investigation I think, unlike Leisure Books and their later separate history with Dorchester, Zebra Books used Kensington even in their older books. So I think I've finished cleaning up (except for Death Screen, can't find info on that one) but this book still doesn't belong here, I believe. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:45, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Italian Valancourt Edition ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=blackburn+beastly-business&sort=-addeddate; Italian price on back cover and notice on last page about being printed in Italy in 2022; does this require a separate record here or can I just add the link to the current edition? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:50, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Witch Book ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5672915; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5672916; If anyone owns a copy or knows where one can be seen online most of the page numbers need entering and author/title verification is needed for most of the stories; also, I replaced the cover because new cover has the price sticker or whatever it is on the top corner but it's not a great image so if anyone can replace it with a better one with that sticker after my edits are approved that would be great. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:13, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Macbeth ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?582305; Macbeth link leads to B. Coville version published many years after J. Blackburn review. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:53, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I've asked a verifier of a pub containing the review if they would check. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:08, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I've re-pointed the review to the correct title. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:59, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Alex Ebel ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?25577; Short story isn't by the artist who died years before it was published but this person, https://sites.google.com/view/alexsebel. The archived story link seems missing, however, so it's possible story header says "Alex S. Ebel" since that's the name in his site's URL. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:02, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Author separated from artist. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:56, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bruce Campbell Biography ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5662375 this submission] to add what looks like a biography of the actor Bruce Campbell. I see that we have an earlier {{T|103703|biography}} already in the database, but it appears that it was added by virtue of being nominated for Stoker and IHG awards. My sense is that the new book would not be in our scope, but I wanted to put the question out to the community first. Thoughts? --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:57, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Out of scope I think. A biography of an author is arguably eligible (as it will talk about some of the books after all). This one seems to be one additional step removed from that. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:01, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Back in 2020 we [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive18#Eligibility_of_NONFICTION_about_non-written_SF clarified the "Rules of Acquisition"] as follows:<br />
::* ''Included'': Published non-fiction works ''about'' speculative fiction which can be plausibly linked to ''published'' (as defined above) speculative fiction. This rule allows the inclusion of secondary bibliographies, i.e. bibliographies of bibliographies, which are two steps removed from published speculative fiction. It also allows the inclusion of non-fiction works about shared cross-media universes like "Doctor Who" and "Star Wars", but only as long as there is a plausible connection to the universe's ''published'' component. Thus a book about "Star Trek physics" can be included (because it applies to all types of media including novels) while a book about Star Trek movie outtakes and bloopers should be excluded.<br />
:: Since Bruce Campbell is an actor with no published speculative fiction credits, I think his biographies should be out unless they trigger some other condition. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:18, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Groovy. I will cancel my edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:33, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Graveyard Reader ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?45152; I just added a link in an edit to the anthology of the same title and judging by ID it was published April or May, but story is October which is when it next appeared. So I think it should either have month changed to 00 to match the anthology or anthology month should be changed to 04 or 05 if anyone can pinpoint date and then story month changed to that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:53, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Fugue XXIX ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?869505; Same editor entered both TP, I think, but one could probably be deleted because it has same ISBN as HC and was likely a mistake that didn't get erased, although it has cover artist and correct (?) page count unlike TP with unique ISBN. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:28, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Deleted. Locus1 lists the format as "hc", but with the "tp" ISBN. This was the source of the original record. I added notes to the other pubs to clarify the discrepancy. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:48, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Onyeama ==<br />
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https://vaultofevil.proboards.com/thread/8116/dillibe-onyeama; https://openlibrary.org/search/authors?q=dillibe+onyeama; 3 novels pictured on Vault seem genre, other titles on OL possible, no copies of any book by him on Archive.org except one with the N word which likely isn't genre, so an author that somehow was never added here, anyone own any copies? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:09, 25 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== S. B. Divya != Divya Srinivasan ==<br />
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I don't believe [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?205470 the author/editor S. B. Divya aka Divya Breed] is the same person as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?262086 the artist Divya Srinivasan]. Their photos - [https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/childrens/childrens-authors/article/87011-q-a-with-divya-srinivasan.html PW interview] for the artist - don't look like the same person to me, and their respective sites (sbdivya.com and pupae.com) don't make any reference to the works of the other person. I can't see the edit history to know who to chase regarding why they were made as alternate names, maybe a moderator can take a look? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:56, 25 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: You want to talk with [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Dirk_P_Broer Dirk]. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 20:14, 25 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: PS: No moderator notes on this edit or on any of his other edits on both authors around the same time. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 20:18, 25 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks, have left a note on his page pointing here. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 08:33, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I agree, they are not the same person. One was born in India (the science fiction author) and the other was born and raised in the United States (the artist, per the PW article). Based on that, I've separated them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:29, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: According to Wikipedia they ARE the same person: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S._B._Divya#:~:text=S.%20B.%20Divya%20is%20the%20pen,%2C%20through%20April%208%2C%202022. "S. B. Divya is the pen name of Divya Srinivasan Breed"].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] ([[User talk:Dirk P Broer|talk]]) 17:02, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: But Divya Srinivasan and Divya Srinivasan Breed can possibly be different people? Do we have a connection that establishes them as the same one? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:09, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5675343; I made an edit with 3rd printing of Runtime, saw somewhere that obliquely mentioned eff-words.com, current site defaults to sbdivya.com so I added archived site which started nearly 10 years ago, it may offer old/new info removed from current site because there's nothing in archived bio about "My gender doesn’t conform to social standards" so other things may have been added/dropped over the years. There's a picture of her at the back of Runtime, also, with a short bio. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:20, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::: I noticed the different places of birth and appended to the notes in both records.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] ([[User talk:Dirk P Broer|talk]]) 18:36, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Doctor Who 'nonfiction' vs Nonfiction on 'Doctor Who' ==<br />
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Anyone know there are two separate series? [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?16381 The former] has well over a hundred entries (including a few subseries), [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?54805 the latter] just three titles.<br />
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The quotes around 'nonfiction' implied - to me at least - that it might be "in-universe" non-fiction like technical manuals, but it seems to me that it has just been used for anything that isn't conventional narrative fiction.<br />
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Any objections to moving everything from the smaller series into the bigger one, and removing the quotes around 'nonfiction'? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 17:19, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Looking at the history of the titles in the series, the smaller one (Nonfiction on 'Doctor Who') had been created and used by a single editor (Stonecreek) mostly moving the books from pre-existing other series (some of them later deleted, some of them still existing). You may want to ping him and see what he may have been thinking but considering that the edits are from years ago and he never bothered to do more (or to write ANY notes explaining what he was doing and what is to be used for what), that looks like something that should not have happened, especially without discussing with the community first. I think it is safe to move the 3 books back where they belong and delete the extra-series but ping him anyway in case he actually had a plan and a good explanation. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:38, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks for digging. I see from the edit histories of those three titles that there's also been "Doctor Who Reference Books" and "Doctor Who Non Fiction" in the past, so I'll wait for further feedback before making yet more changes. (Will also see if I can wrangle anything out of wiki search w.r.t. any prior discussion.) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:49, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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==Some new Japanese awards==<br />
There are a few new Japanese awards I think out to be included here, so I'll group them under one heading to make it easier than a bunch of different sections. This will also allow us to learn the names of some of the Japanese fanzines out there, and therefore be able to find information on them and add them to the database here.<br />
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===Nippon SF Fandom Award===<br />
This award (日本SFファンドム賞) was given out from 1965-1969, then replaced by the Seiun Award. We have the latter in the database, but not the former. I'll be happy to enter the information for it. There aren't too many to list, as shown [https://www.sf-fan.gr.jp/etc/fandom_award.html here] (same website/group where they host the Seiun Awards). It was given by the same group that gives out the Seiun Award, and there is only one level (no categories), so it's an uncomplicated award to enter.<br />
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: Sounds pretty straightforward. If there are no objections, I will add these on Monday. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:24, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?105 Done]. Please feel free to edit the record and add a category. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:38, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Thanks! I'll work on them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:34, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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===SF Fanzine Awards===<br />
This award (SFファンジン大賞) was given out between 1982 and 2003 to speculative fiction fanzines in Japan. The winners were decided by a committee that changed annually. Japanese site [https://www.sf-fan.onn.jp/184/185/ here]. It had several categories:<br />
*Fanzine Grand Prize (ファンジン大賞)<br />
*Creative (創作部門)<br />
*Critique (評論部門)<br />
*Translation/Presentation (翻訳・紹介部門)<br />
*Art (アート部門)<br />
*Layout (レイアウト部門)<br />
*Editorial Work (エディトリアルワーク部門)<br />
*Research (研究部門)<br />
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: Looks like Layout was merged with Art in '84 and '85 before being dropped entirely? Dunno if that merits a separate category being created for those 2 years... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 08:51, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: A new award type [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?106 has been created]. Please feel free to create award categories. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:41, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Thanks! I'll work on them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:34, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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===Takumi Shibano Award===<br />
This award (柴野拓美賞) was given at the same time as the SF Fanzine Award, but was judged solely by [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?23499 Takumi Shibano]. It was a single award given out each year (though a few times people shared the award in a single year). [https://www.sf-fan.onn.jp/184/185/ Same site] as above. It's considered a separate award from the SF Fanzine Awards rather than a category under that award.<br />
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I'll be happy to add these. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:57, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?107 Done]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:46, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks! I'll work on them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:34, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Banner Art ==<br />
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The last banner art that I uploaded was in 2009. The first banner art was put together in 2007 on a glass CRT with VGA resolution (640x480 pixels), and the last one was done on my first LCD display with DVI resolution (1920x1200 pixels). The banners are 90x900 pixels, which was about 40% wider than the VGA screen, and about 50% of the DVI screen, which seemed like a pretty substantial size at the time. My current display is 5120x2880, so a banner is now about 3/4 inch tall, and pretty difficult to see any detail. So a few things:<br />
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1. I've been upscaling the banners using an AI tool. I'm running them on isfdb2.org at 180x1800, which seems to be a pretty good match for my current browser width. They are pretty good, but not perfect (especially some of the smaller lettering) but my 2009-era computer doesn't turn on any more, so the original photoshop files may be lost.<br />
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2. In 2020 Ahasuerus put a notice on the [[Banner Art Credits]] page to post new images here. I have been working with Generative AI at work, so I thought I would apply some of that to generating a new banner art candidate. It's artwork from a 1950s-era magazine that never existed on our timeline - let's call it "Interplanetary Stories". All the images were created by DALL-E, with prompts to push it towards an early 1950s artwork style. Obviously, it is copyright free. (The version of the banner displayed below is smaller than 90x900, in order to meet the 200kB size limit of the wiki. See the 180x1800 size version here: [https://www.isfdb2.org/IsfdbBanner13.jpg])<br />
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[[File:IsfdbBanner13.jpg]]<br />
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3. If anyone has requests for a banner honoring a specific magazine (from our timeline), post it here or on my talk page. Otherwise, I may pull over a few more alternate timeline magazines. [[User:Alvonruff|Alvonruff]] ([[User talk:Alvonruff|talk]]) 20:32, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The new banner looks pretty good except for the second woman from the right whose face looks off. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 07:44, 28 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: What about the "leaf woman"? Her forearms are totally merged together. I'm sure that's explained in the cover story. How about this new blaster woman?<br />
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[[File:NewBlasterWoman.png]]<br />
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[[User:Alvonruff|Alvonruff]] ([[User talk:Alvonruff|talk]]) 22:18, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: The face is much better! The way she holds the blaster looks a bit odd, but then I have never held a functional blaster, so what do I know? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:49, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Alan Brennert Questions ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?274235; https://archive.org/details/weirdromancetwoo0000menk; PV doesn't respond to much these days, so does anyone know why ISBN is different? Did Samuel French release different editions? Also, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?58584, where someone added a link but according to a note on the Archive.org page Brennert's story "The Second Soul" was removed at his request and seems it was never reprinted in print, so maybe someone knows some shadowy ancient archived SF site or something where they reprinted it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:46, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== German Pfister ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=pfister&type=Name; Last 2 authors are likely the same. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:07, 28 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Charnas Stories ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?273; A couple of questions about her stories. "Oak and Ash" was published in a 1992 issue of Pulphouse Magazine which nobody's going to have, I'm sure, but it was reprinted in a shady sex anthology in 2001, Sextopia. I can't get any info about that, so maybe someone will admit to having it. Also, "Land of Lost Content" is in 1998's Streets of Blood, one of a million Martin H. Greenberg anthologies, as original but online info suggests it's Chapter 2 of her 1980 novel The Vampire Tapestry. No copies of the anthology, either (there's a 15-photo copy on eBay but the seller seemed more interested in showing the covers from every angle instead of taking a clear photo of the acknowledgments page), so if anyone owns a copy maybe it mentions this so a note can be added here about it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:41, 29 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== A Wrinkle in Time Cover Art ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1079586; It's unlikely that the 1976 date is correct because the artist's next credit is 1990. I think there's some confusion with this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?581503, which has similar art. EDIT: This page, https://www.tor.com/2023/05/25/can-you-solve-the-classic-wrinkle-in-time-cover-mystery/, doesn't mention John Berkey who did other 1976 Dell covers, but this page, http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:nmFZMfSDiAMJ:https://70sscifiart.tumblr.com/post/179261051240/john-berkey&hl=en&gl=us&strip=1&vwsrc=0, says he did it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:56, 30 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Self-nomination for self-approver - Philfreund ==<br />
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I would like to nominate myself to be a self-approver. If that's granted, I'll be certain to continue to ask for help if I'm uncertain as to the best approach to take. Granting me this will likely shorten the submission queue significantly since I'm entering a lot of ClonePub submissions on a daily basis, mainly for audiobooks and audio/MP3 CDs. Thanks for your consideration. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 13:56, 30 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Support. Had not seen too many hiccups with Phil's submissions in the last months and he had shown a willingness to seek and listen to advice (and remember it for future submissions). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:53, 30 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Support, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:03, 30 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Support[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 00:11, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Support. No complaints! --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:27, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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=== Outcome ===<br />
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Self-approver flag has been set on the account. Congratulations! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:01, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks everyone! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 12:32, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== K. Sano ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=iko+sano&type=Name; Kazumiko only has 1 credit; may be the same as Kazuhiko. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:49, 30 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It's definitely an unusual name (Kazumiko). However, that credit was a decade prior to anything by Kazuhiko, and as [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/hiller_b_b SFE] and [https://gamebooks.org/Item/2764/Show others] also list the credit as "Kazumiko", I think we should stick with things as they currently are. It's possible it's a typo, but it could also be a rare name. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:05, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bad Poetry ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?11176; https://ibecomethebeast.com/autumn-2023/; The poem by John Grey, "Man/Beast", was published in an old 1998 issue of Jack Fisher's Flesh & Blood as "Man-Beast". The other Grey poems may qualify vaguely as genre so if anyone thinks it's worth entering this magazine for that I'm just mentioning it. Also, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?21876, where I believe the essay is correct but the poems should be with John Grey since John Gray is an alternate name for him. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 07:58, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Portuguese titles capitalisation / rationalisation ==<br />
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For anyone with an interest in Portuguese titling, please take a look at [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Portuguese_titles_capitalisation_.2F_rationalisation this discussion]. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:00, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Sexpunks BC ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29722; I and another editor have been doing a few edits for early 90s Spine-Tingling Press cassettes (at least 2, by Kristine Kathryn Rusch and Matthew Costello, are MIA) and there are some annoying details but this one I think someone can answer. A note, likely written by me some time ago since it's in my particular style, mentions that Mark Molnar did the back cover for a book that almost certainly never would have been published if the author didn't run the company, Sexpunks & Savage Sagas. Is it possible the artist is this man, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?263913? From the back of a book of "erotic" stories by an obscure publisher to doing a cover for an edition of Dune, one of the most famous SF books of all time, from an expensive specialty publisher? Can it be true? Also see this thread, https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Username#Monsters:_Three_Tales, in case anyone has anything helpful to say about those issues. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:52, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ace Earth Abides ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5679463; Any of the many active PV think this should be by Ace Star since it does say that on cover and copyright page? ISFDB has 31 "Ace Star" books and 4 "Ace Star / Ace Books" books. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:02, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Barrington J. Bayley ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5679804; I added a new link; story text is different than old link on Weird Fiction Review. Were Bayley's stories revised for his collection? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:43, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== German Ghost Book ==<br />
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[https://archive.org/search?query=cynthia+asquith&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22&and%5B%5D=language%3A%22German%22]; Link to the German edition of 1950s anthology The Second Ghost Book from 1971, I think, in case anyone wants to enter it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:20, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Grand Canyon Artists ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1347049; I have 2 edits, adding cover image (from SFE) to Brit edition and price to American edition (also fixed author's name because it's the same in both editions and there really was never a variant); however, there are signatures on both covers. Brit, lower right, looks like 2 initials followed by Lupton, while American, lower right, has KW. Artists for other books by the publishers on ISFDB don't match up to either so if anyone can find out more reply here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:38, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Costello's Vacation ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1309571; MLB PV a transient copy of HC which has author's name wrong, Google Books copy says there's no J., TP uploaded in 2021 is raggedy and has no title or copyright page but also has no J. on cover, supposedly CD edition has no J., so as usual there's not really a variant name and they're all by Matthew Costello, no J., in case anyone can see TP title page which would clinch it and then HC and TP can be changed to no J. and variant deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:08, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== German Horseman ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?42064; https://archive.org/search?query=horseman+hubble%27s&sort=-addeddate; I entered Archive.org link, fixed page count, and added cover artist in a pending edit to the American edition of Hubbles' Treasure Hunt and while doing so saw that book linked above which is a 1971 (?) translation of Hubble's Bubble, in case anyone wants to enter that. The publisher, Union Verlag Stuttgart, seems to have no books on ISFDB, but I'm guessing there are probably some that should be; 31 hits on Archive.org including another kid's book, Golden-Eye, that looks promising and a title with Hexen in it which I think means "witch" so that's a possibility, too. Ignore the Hans Holzer psychic photography "non-fiction" book which is in English but likely was published in German first by that publisher. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:50, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== ISFDB recording Gateway as imprint ==<br />
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I suspect Gateway as imprint (or even publisher?) is coming to us from Amazon into Fixer, but Gateway is only a marketing website set up by Gollancz. This is noted on [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Gollancz_Ltd this page] under the sub-heading "SF Gateway website", and with more detail here [https://www.gollancz.co.uk/category/sf-gateway/ Gollancz] and here [https://www.sfgateway.com/ sfgateway]. If it's agreed, could we have a Fixer tweak so that pubs/ebooks coming onto the DB start out as imprint/publisher Gollancz / Orion? See [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?9 this example] of the disparity. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:04, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Ever since Amazon killed off API access to Amazon UK data - circa 2019? - I imagine I've added more Gateway pubs than Fixer has, so changing the Fixer config might not help that much. My recollection of things is:<br />
: * "Proper" Gollancz releases are listed on Amazon, Blackwell's, etc, as being published by Gollancz. (Waterstones are annoying, as they just bundle everything as the parent Orion group - grr)<br />
: * SF Masterworks are listed as being published by Gateway, but actually have Gollancz on the title and copyright pages. e.g. see Roadmarks [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?930344 tp] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?943450 ebook]. I know when I first started actively submitting pubs, I did a few of these as "Gateway", but when I saw that PVers were subsequently changing them to Gollancz, I've got a mental note to change the submission accordingly.<br />
: * I *think* there might be an exception to the former if there was previously a Gateway ebook that has been "promoted" to be a Masterwork, but retains the same ISBN. I think those might just get a new cover image slapped onto the ebook, but the title page still has Gateway branding. I think I might have a Silverberg that falls into this category, will try to dig it out in a bit. '''EDIT''': Some inconsistent findings: My purchased-in-2021 ebook of Silverberg's The Book of Skulls has an SF Masterworks cover, but the title page has Gateway. Other than the cover, I suspect this ebook is identical to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?447130 the 2011 "yellow cover" Gateway pub] recorded here. OTOH, my ebook of Clarke's Imperial Earth still has Gateway branding on the cover, even if I download a fresh copy on a different device. The metadata in the title does claim it's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?943090 an SF Masterworks edition], but there's nothing to support that. Both of these ebooks have Gollancz on the copyright page FWIW.<br />
: * "Proper" Gateway releases have "Gateway" on the title page, even though they may well have Gollancz on the copyright page. An example of this is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?827485 my PVed Warm Worlds and Otherwise ebook]; although it's not explicitly stated in the note, I have just opened the ebook, and the title page has the "Gateway" logo with www.sfgateway.com below. My understanding of the rules is that the title page trumps the copyright page, so these should be recorded as "Gateway / Orion" (or some variant thereof) rather than "Gollancz / Orion" (or some variant thereof).<br />
: The impression I get is that there's no meaningful separation of Gollancz and Gateway in terms of staff, office, etc, but there are a few peripheral things I've noticed that make me inclined towards keeping the entities separate here:<br />
: * The Gollancz site no longer lists SF Masterworks, or at least the majority of them e.g. [https://www.gollancz.co.uk/contributor/roger-zelazny/ the Zelazny page] doesn't have the aforementioned Roadmarks - or any of his other Masterworks pubs - but they are on [https://www.sfgateway.com/contributor/roger-zelazny/ the Gateway site]. This wasn't the case a few years ago; there seemed to be an active decision to separate Masterworks from the Gollancz site. (Even though they have Gollancz on the books themselves..) <br />
: * Similarly, Masterworks pubs used to be listed in the Orion trade catalogues, but nowadays they just get (at best) a brief mention of the line in the Gollancz section, with no details about what pubs might be coming out that period.<br />
: [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 06:33, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Picazo Format ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5672945; All the 25+ Marte XXI series books are TP so I changed the final one to the same, mod says a site he checked disagrees, I doubt they changed format for one book so Linguist, who seems to be in edit history for most of these books, or someone can possibly say what it really is and hopefully my edit can be un-rejected, although the fact that page count is much higher for the last book and cover artist is different than all others points to a slight possibility that maybe they got fancy when they knew the series was coming to an end and jacked up the size. I also note that only a few have prices and 2 are missing cover artists in case anyone can fill in that missing info. I was pretty surprised to see that none are PV, unusual for old SF series on this site. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:08, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Did you look at the cited sources? All three agree the size is 18cm x 11cm. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:07, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::As you say, but since none are PV I wonder if they really changed format for the last in the series or whether some or all of the earlier ones should be TP, too. In this case I wonder if those sources confused this particular edition with its earlier '62 Fleuve Noir PB; there's a note in the previous book's record about confusion between Picazo and Fleuve Noir. Also, another Picazo series here has 4 Asimov books with 1 having an unknown format, so maybe someone knows that, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:37, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Todd Ritter = Alan Finn = Riley Sager ==<br />
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Currently author [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?191380 Todd Ritter] has the alternate name [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?209069 Alan Finn], with one shortfiction for the former and a novel for the latter.<br />
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[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riley_Sager Wikipedia] informs me that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?313188 Riley Sager] is another pseudonym. That author currently has 2 novels in the database - both of which have title notes explaining that their eligibility here isn't 100% certain - and the aforelinked Wikipedia page indicates the Sager alias is the most profilic and current one.<br />
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Any preferences to which one should be the primary? I'm slightly inclined towards Sager, but happy to go with any consensus. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 17:41, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: How many of the Sager novels are genre? It won't matter that he uses that for most of his thrillers if they are not genre. I am leaning towards Ritter quite honestly (when the numbers are about the same, I'd go with the legal name or the currently used name) - unless we have enough Sager novels to balance it that way a lot more. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:47, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: No idea - he wasn't on my radar at all, until I skimmed through the forthcoming list and saw there was one out today. I've glanced through the blurbs on his site, and of the 7 novels, if we take away the two already in the database, only one looks like it might possibly be relevant here, and TBH it feels like it's more gothic than supernatural. I looked at a couple of them on GR, and saw no mention of speculative elements, so I think it's just the two we already have.<br />
:: I don't mind keeping Ritter as the primary, as I guess that'll be slightly less work (no need to redo the Finn author alternate)? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:12, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: The gothic ones always get me - it is very hard to sort out which one belongs if you do not read it. We can always reverse the direction if need be. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:21, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: I have 2 pending edits adding Archive.org links to the print editions of his novel and also fixed their page counts; also have an edit for the author adding Wikipedia link and his Amazon photo. There is almost no mention of his short story online; I hope someone can find that somewhere someday and add a link. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:41, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::: I've just done the author and title varianting; there's a rilersagerbooks.com link that I guess should be moved from the RS author record to TR, but I'll wait for those other edits to be accepted, just to avoid any risk of async approvals losing anything. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 16:16, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Broken Fantascienza Author Image ==<br />
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https://www.fantascienza.com/catalogo/autori/NILF17713/james-lovegrove/; I made a couple of edits for James Lovegrove books and then decided to replace his B&W image with 1 of 2 nice color images on FantLab; I like to add unique images and since Open Library has none and Fantastic Fiction uses the same image as Amazon that leaves Fantascienza, but unusually the image is broken. Anyone know how to find out what it is/was so I don't use the same image from FantLab, assuming there is a match with one of them? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:57, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Neely ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1096598; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5685960; As can be seen in my edit I changed the publisher name; I think the 1906 edition may be a date error (there's no edit history) and can probably be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:37, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Clarkesworld ==<br />
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We had a conversation about this one a few times and it never went anywhere so let's try again. We have two separate series for the magazine:<br />
* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?35233 Clarkesworld (print issues)] - the print versions<br />
* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?26273 Clarkesworld Magazine] - the ebooks and the webzines<br />
In addition, the 2022 issues are entered with different editors in both: just Clarke in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3087880 ebooks] and Kate Baker, Neil Clarke, Sean Wallace on the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3014672 print issues]. The magazines are essentially the same and even if they had some extra content, that had not stopped us using a single series elsewhere. I propose to merge the two series and to clear up the editors. Based on the masthead, I favor the 3 editors vs just Clarke but it can be interpreted either way. Any objections to the merge and any thoughts on the list of editors? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:52, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Agree 100% with merging the two series. My choice is to credit the Editor-in-Chief, but I have no objection to crediting all three. Some of the publication records could also use some cleanup. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:03, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::I've no concerns with combining the series. I too feel that we should go with a single editor. I had previously thought our policy was to go with the Editor-in-Chief when multiple types of editors are listed, but the last time I researched that I couldn't find it documented. I'd go with the Editor-in-Chief. I will note that neither Miller/Contento nor Locus1 list an edition. FictionMags doesn't for the early issues, and lists Sean Wallace for the most recent ones. He is also listed on Galactic Central. For the single issue for which I have a hard copy, Kate Baker is credited as Non-Fiction Editor/Podcast Director which seems a little attenuated to me. I'd like to avoid getting into a situation like the semiprozine Hugo nominations for [https://file770.com/2022-hugo-award-finalists/ Strange Horizons]. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:02, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Yellow Peril ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?287140; I added Archive.org link to PB and saw LCCN says 383 for HC which is much higher than what's on ISFDB; does anyone own a copy who can correct page count if necessary? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:25, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Times Mirror ==<br />
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After coming across countless NEL books that say "Times Mirror" on title page I realized it wasn't a co-publisher or imprint but just distributor or parent company or something similar and shouldn't actually be entered here as part of the publisher name; I removed the ones I had changed to New English Library / Times Mirror a while back (thank goodness there were only 4) but this one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5447529, was not done by me. I suspect I must have seen this and followed along blindly. The note is not by me, I just added Archive.org link, but notes in a couple of the other records are written similarly so I probably just cut-and-pasted this original note. So if anyone (I think 1 PV, Spacecow, is still sort of active) wants to make publisher of this one just New English Library that's up to them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:02, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Rest In Agony ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?828278; I replaced Younger's Pharaoh book cover and uploaded new cover for this book from Bookscans; ID doesn't match what's on the cover. I don't know who's responsible for that, MLB who uploaded the old cover, RTrace who secondary verified stuff, Rosa, anybody else that worked on this, so someone may want to decide what to do about that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:16, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Magic Ring ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1135737; The Valancourt TP was just upped on Archive.org, I made an edit, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5687545, but there's problems. Someone named ElectricStarboard was the last one to edit the HC and seems to have altered the title. Judging by their page and the fact that almost every message is about how they fixed or merged or did other stuff incorrectly I'm guessing that the HC should also have the subtitle; if it does, and assuming the Sturgis intro is just the TP intro ported over verbatim, then TP intro I entered and HC intro can be merged. I'm pretty sure, being a deluxe edition, the HC would also have the short story "Field of Terror" that as of now is only in the TP. Whenever there's a "data from Amazon" note that usually means page count is wrong and I fixed it for the TP but even though HC also says the same in the note judging from online info that page count may be correct, although almost certainly Roman numerals would need to be added to it for all the essays and other stuff at the beginning. Does anyone own the HC? That would be very helpful. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:45, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ah, Sweet Mystery of Life ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5687723; ISFDB has a 1989 edition which is barebones, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?37485, and the Knopf edition I edited says original was by Michael Joseph in 1989 so I assume that's what it should be here. Surprisingly, only 2 editions are on Archive.org, Knopf and a 14th (?) printing of 1990 Penguin with a cover from some completely different book by another author for some reason. I assume the preface I entered comes from the 1989 edition so if anyone has it and enters it the preface can be re-dated and merged. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:16, 9 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Archives of Haven ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20178; Notes in other 2 books in the series about getting Corgi Joe Petagno cover credits from R. Holdstock's Encyclopedia of Science Fiction, no credit for this book, there's a copy of the encyclopedia on Archive.org with no mention, it seems, of this book but a few online sites identify it as by Petagno. All 4 PV are gone so does anyone know if it's him or not? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:42, 9 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wrong Titles On Archive.org ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5688508; A cautionary tale here. Elizabeth Engstrom's 1992 20-story collection Nightmare Flower was upped last month so I added a link and fixed/added various things. On a whim I decided to enter her name in the search page but in text contents instead of metadata. Not really expecting to find anything I hadn't already entered I was stunned to see her first book, When Darkness Loves Us, a 1985 two-story collection. Since Valancourt put out their reprint edition a few years ago I've tried many times to find somewhere online that showed any of the several earlier editions and could never find any site that showed a contents page so I could enter the numbers, which was very annoying. It turns out the reason why it couldn't be found on Archive.org specifically is because whoever upped it way back in 2011 got it mixed up with a completely different title from another author and publisher. They're not even close. This is far from the first time a book had the wrong title on that site but for some reason I had never thought to search contents for this one. So to anyone looking for anything on that site I suggest searching for titles/ISBN/whatever in contents because you may find a lot of stuff you didn't think was there if you just searched for them the regular way. I'm very happy about this but a few things remain that need doing; the Tor edition has the same page count as the HC and I assume page numbers are the same, so if anyone owns a copy they can verify that and enter them. The Apex edition has a completely different page count which may or may not be right; maybe someone has a copy of that, too. Finally, the first story says it's a novelette but page count is almost 70, way over the 50-page limit for that length, yet in the Hartwell anthology that it was reprinted in the count varies from 30 pages in the HC to around 60 in the PB while in the Valancourt PB (which I edited last year using a library copy) it's 65. So I have a feeling it should be a novella, too, like the second story in the collection. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:43, 9 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Your submission is approved. My rough count was approx. 19,000 words. I would approve the change. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:05, 9 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Done. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:08, 9 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I added WorldCat ID to the Apex edition and noticed note says "data from Amazon" which is a signal that info, especially page count, is probably wrong; WorldCat says 201 pages, not 218, so I made an edit changing it since that's probably correct or closer to it, anyway. I also noticed it says "updated foreword" on their page but I don't know what that means because Theodore Sturgeon was dead for nearly 25 years when this edition came out (I see he died in May of 1985 so the foreword was likely one of the last things he wrote before he died; sad). Supposedly this edition is in 2 public libraries down south in North Carolina and Kentucky which makes sense because Apex is based in Kentucky, but there's also a copy in a university in Taiwan (?!?). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:10, 13 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Change series name: Chubby Lewis Barnavelt ==<br />
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I'm not sure how the series name [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?1404 Chubby Lewis Barnavelt] was created but I think it's offensive as-is. I suggest it should be changed to simply "Lewis Barnavelt". Are there any objections? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:01, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I updated it. Regardless of the offensive part, searching for "Chubby Lewis Barnavelt" produces only 11 hits[https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Chubby+Lewis+Barnavelt%22]. Strickland's books have "John Bellairs's Lewis Barnavelt in TITLE" on cover and title page. It seems more reasonable people would be looking to find this as "Lewis Barnavelt" than "Chubby Lewis Barnavelt". --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:49, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: The series was called "Chubby Lewis" in the 1997 [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/fe/bellairs_john Encyclopedia of Fantasy]. I can't find the word "Chubby" in the e-text that I have. I'll need to check my paper library to see if I have an early edition. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:30, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::https://bellairsia.blogspot.com/2005/09/who-is-chubby-lewis.html. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:48, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Checking the 1993 reprint of the first book, I see that other children call the protagonist "Fatty" on a couple of occasions, but there are no references to "Chubby" that I can find. I found a reference to "her chubby friend Lewis" in ''The Ghost in the Mirror'' (volume 4, 1993, completed by Brad Strickland), but that's it.<br />
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:::: I guess we can add a note explaining that the protagonist is called "Chubby Lewis" in the ''Encyclopedia of Fantasy'', the ''Greenwood Encyclopedia of Science Fiction and Fantasy'' and in Don D'Ammassa's ''Encyclopedia of Fantasy and Horror Fiction'', but we can find no occurrences of this nickname in the editions that we have access to. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:35, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::: Back cover of this book says "Chubby Lewis": https://archive.org/search?query=%22barnavelt%22+%22chubby+lewis%22&sin=TXT. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:43, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Thanks. I have updated the Notes field with the information that we currently have. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:08, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Williamson Effect Intro ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5689255; One of those OL-only copies with no preview; while correcting page count I noticed intros in HC and TP are entered differently. There's also a similarly titled essay in a 2008 David Brin collection, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=love+with+change&type=All+Titles, but it has a 2006 date with no note about where it came from. So the '96 intros can be merged if someone decides which one is more properly titled; whether the later essay is the same one is hard to say because there's no copy of that collection. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:36, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jelly Ink ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=jelly+ink&type=Publisher; I just made an edit adding a link to the 4th printing of Stranger Things Happen by Kelly Link; publisher is Jelly Ink / Small Beer Press even though Jelly Ink is only mentioned on copyright page, but a chapbook by Link, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?28159, is as by Jelly Ink Press with a note about being an imprint. Both of those things can't be right so which publisher name should be the parent? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:50, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Later printings of "Stranger Things Happen" (with unknown dates of publication) are verified, so we shouldn't change them. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:14, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::PV Andrewk and Teddybear are no longer active. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:34, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Math Book ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?249351; I see in history that I added cover and price nearly 2 years ago but this book really doesn't belong here, being non-genre and with no review, so should probably be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:51, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Agreed. I've removed it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:48, 12 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Golden Enemy ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?20192; A discussion of a book by Alexander Key on the boards here prompted me to add a few minor things to 2 of his books I'd edited long ago but I also noticed The Golden Enemy, which I never edited, has a copy on Archive.org, https://archive.org/search?query=golden-enemy, which is 166 pages, not 176 like ISFDB and many other sites say, while there's an Open Road reprint that says 156 pages. This copy, https://picclick.com/The-Golden-Enemy-by-Alexander-Key-194249590087.html, looks like it has the same copyright page so I don't think the archived copy is book club or anything, and there are no Westminster book club editions on ISFDB. So if anyone can solve this mystery, respond here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:18, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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I have collected Alexander Key books for years, and I find that with Westminster Press it can be very hard to determine what printing you have. They did not bother marking First Editions or reprints until sometime in the later 1970's, from what I have seen. I recently posted a copy of "The Forgotten Door" that I belive is a First Edition, mainly because of the ads on the dust jacket. I think some titles had very few printings, if not just one. While a few titles were quite popular and were probably reprinted numerous times. I know "The Forgotten Door" was reprinted, because I own a few differnt editions, including later printings with number strings on the copyright page for a 13th printing, and a 14th printing. I believe "The Golden Enemy" was also popular and reprinted several times. This could be part of the page numbering issue, but it could also just be a cataloging mistake. The Library of Congress records a copy with 176 pages. I have seen cases where the mistake of one library is copied by cataloging departments in several libraries. Basically if someone in The Library of Congress made a mistake, it may have been replicated may times. I have an early copy of this title, but it is packed away right now, so I can't check it. I have seen books where the page numbering was changed to include an "About the Author" page, or an afterword, but 10 pages does seem to be a bit much. [[User:Bernarrd|Bernarrd]] ([[User talk:Bernarrd|talk]]) 16:49, 18 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Heads up on making edits to several hundred pubs, some of which may have verifications ==<br />
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Per [[User_talk:Ahasuerus#Weird_broken_Amazon_image_URLs]] , there are ~600 author and pub record that have Amazon image URLs that are now broken. Most of these URLs can be fixed programmatically, and I've got a simple script to submit the edits via the API.<br />
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Some of these pubs may well have verifications, apologies for any notification spam you might get for them, but I don't think there's any need to create talk page items for everyone whose edits may be affected.<br />
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Although the process is simple, the clicking through approvals for several hundred edits (especially on the selfmoderator pages?) will be tedious, so I'll probably be doing this over the next few days. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 07:52, 12 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Kevin Clarke: two different people? ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?3708 Kevin Clarke] has a late '80s Doctor Who novelization, and 3 bits of fanart from the early 80s, on his page. I strongly suspect these are 2 different people:<br />
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* [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/clarke_kevin The SFE page] only mentions his Doctor Who work<br />
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Clarke_(writer) Wikipedia] only mentions involvement in music, TV and academia, although I suspect a few bits of fanart wouldn't get much of a mention.<br />
* [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Kevin_Clarke TARDIS wiki] (not currently linked from here) doesn't have much, but only mentions TV work<br />
* Googling for '"kevin clarke" bsfa' indicates he may have been active in UK fandom earlier and later than the work on record here e.g. [https://news.ansible.uk/a04.html November 1979 Ansible], [https://efanzines.com/Prolapse/Prolapse04.pdf a 2006 fanzine] (PDF, pages 20 and 26); possibly [https://fanac.org/conpubs/Novacon/Novacon%2040/N40_PR1_colour.pdf a 2010 Novacon progress report].<br />
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At the very least I feel this merits an author note, but would there be any objection to separating these out into two different author records? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 10:03, 13 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Adding a note is a sure thing for sure (Sure? Sure!). I do have some reservations about dividing the entries / authors: things like those do happen (a fan being active in two areas): there are some who do both, and others who begin in one field (say drawing) and do find their fulfilment in another one (say writing, or vice versa). That the candidate(s) both was/were active in the 1980s and seem(s) to stem from the British Isles, leaves the distinct possibility that it is the same person, I'd think. <br />
: And none of the given sources would mention fan artwork, I'd think (because they aren't aware of it). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 14:43, 13 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Stories from the Twilight Zone ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33354; I have an edit adding LCCN ID to this TP edition but noticed there was a 1989 PB on Archive.org which somehow was never entered here so I made an edit for that, too, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5691762, but there's a cover art question; 1986 says Roger Bergendorf did the "cover photo" but 1989 says Stan Watts did the "cover art" which has a 1986 copyright date. It looks like art to me so if anyone is familiar with Watts' style maybe they can identify him as the artist and his name can be entered, possibly with a note in TP record about wrong cover credit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 01:52, 14 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:You'll have to discuss with the primary verifier, who's active as editor. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 05:08, 14 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::TP PV is transient so they wouldn't have their copy anymore and they probably have no idea about the art question because they didn't even enter Bergendorf as cover artist (maybe they thought photos don't count as art, even though by looking at it closely it appears to be artwork and not a photo). There's no PV to ask about the PB because that edition wasn't on ISFDB until I added it (approval pending). Maybe someone is familiar with Watts' art and can identify it as his or there's a clear copy with a signature somewhere on the cover. It wouldn't make sense to have 2 separate art credits here for what's obviously the same art so one artist should be decided on and entered. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:07, 14 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Eclipse Pages/Dates ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5692038; Most of Beford's books are either on Archive.org or in 2 cases OL-only no-preview editions; the last one I edited has a couple of issues. Note says it should be 309 pages per ISFDB but it should really be 311, right? also, these Edge books sometimes have that Canada/USA date thing on copyright page; how to tell what's a USA edition if they just put both dates? Couldn't this book just as easily have a 2006 date? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:20, 14 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Daw Duplicate ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?669885; Should the non-PV record be deleted? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:09, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: It has a different ISBN and based on the ISBN and the fact that it is a later one, I'd say it is a reprint and probably a 2000 one (See the rest of the ISBNs starting with the same numbers [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_publisher&O_1=exact&TERM_1=DAW+Books&C=AND&USE_2=pub_isbn&O_2=starts_with&TERM_2=08867788&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication here]). Looking up that second ISBN online (0886778832), I see some records so seems like a valid one indeed. I will do some more digging and eventually re-date to 0000-00-00 for now if I cannot confirm the 2000 and if it still looks like a reprint. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 22:07, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== French Replay ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?528161; https://archive.org/search?query=grimwood+seuil; As I was adding edits to some editions of K. Grimwood's Replay I found that French one. Edit history shows only Hauck who according to his page here wants nothing to do with this site and says it's no use to "left" messages, so any other French-fluent editors who want to enter that (price is different on the back so I assume it's some other printing) can do so if they wish. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:25, 16 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== New cleanup report: pre-1967 pubs with an ISBN ==<br />
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A new cleanup report has been deployed. It looks for pre-1967 publications with an ISBN. The data will become available tomorrow morning. I expect the report to find 49 suspect records. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:15, 16 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:27, 16 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Desert of Death's Domain ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5694536; I think all 3 PV are gone so someone who's into these Rhodan books may want to look at this one because I see some possible problems with series being part of title and title in contents being shortened and also having one with a # and one without. Maybe this is correct and the way others in the series were entered but I doubt it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:03, 16 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Yellow warnings for ISBNs enhanced ==<br />
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In NewPub/AddPub/EditPub/ClonePub submissions, post-submissions yellow warnings for ISBNs have been enhanced as follows:<br />
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* Multiple yellow warnings are now fully supported. In the past, only some combinations of yellow warnings were displayed.<br />
* The threshold year for pubs with ISBNs has been changed from 1970 to 1967. The language of the warning has been clarified to indicate that ISBNs are not allowed for pre-1967 publications.<br />
* If you edit a publication with an ISBN value and change the publication date value to a year prior to 1967, the same yellow warning is displayed in the publication date row.<br />
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[[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:56, 17 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== R. Dunkley Story Title ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1374862; Open Library lists contents and they say "Zane", not "Zazine"; little photo evidence of this book online, so maybe someone here has a copy and can verify what it is and fix if needed. On the plus side, while looking into this I found that Dunkley has a website and Nick Bantock did the cover art for The Twilight Book, so I made edits adding both. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:33, 18 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Black Is A Man ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?815472; A copy of this rare novel was upped last November so I added a link along with LCCN. There's an awesome sticker on the cover from J.M. Fields with a 57-cent price; that store went out of business in 1978 according to Wikipedia so this copy's at least 45 years old. I didn't see any artist credit inside the book but it may be hiding somewhere in that creepy artwork in case anyone can find it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:26, 18 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I couldn't see any signature on the front or back cover, or on the flaps. I added a note to that effect. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:52, 20 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== King's The Plant ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?92669; http://jerryshouseofeverything.blogspot.com/2017/08/forgotten-book-plant.html; I'd like to know the best way to enter that PDF mentioned at the bottom which is a dead link but is still online at club-stephenking.fr. Is it a novel? A chapbook? It was published electronically in 2000 (note the Stoker nomination here) but it has page numbers. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:06, 20 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Looks like each part should be a SERIAL, with its publication a CHAPBOOK. Although it's unfinished, in composite they would be a novel, so you'd variant all six to a parent NOVEL record and note that it is unfinished. [https://stephenking.com/works/other-project/plant-zenith-rising.html stephenking.com] has info and PDFs for groups of three. I see the site you linked has a PDF for all 6. I would use the page numbers to compute "pages" for the installments and note the actual number range in each one. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:50, 20 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Biomass Bob (Robert E. Lumpkin passing 6/20/2023) ==<br />
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Hello ISFDB Community,<br />
My father asked me to share his passing with you all. He died yesterday 6/20/2023 of pneumonia. My brother and I were with him and he died peacefully. The illness came on very suddenly, but once it took hold, it proved impossible to beat. He valued this site and all the contributors so much.<br />
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My brother and I will be selling his spectacular collection of science fiction/fantasy books/media in the next couple of months. We don't share his love of the material and we want it to go to a good home. If anyone can direct us to an appropriate dealer or place to talk about selling his collection, it would be greatly appreciated. We will check back here periodically.<br />
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I apologize if I have placed this notice in the wrong place. Best, Nancy Sowers<br />
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: Hello Nancy, <br />
: No, that's the perfect place for it. I am so sorry for your loss. Bob was a part of the site and of our community and we will sorely miss him. I hope you find some solace in the fact that he won't be forgotten. Try to find some time for yourself in these hard times and we will all miss Bob :( [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:36, 21 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: I am very sorry to hear about Bob's passing :-( He was always very dedicated and a pleasure to work with.<br />
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:: I am afraid I can't help with finding a dealer, but some of our contributors may be in a better position to point you in the right direction. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:12, 21 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:I'm so sorry to hear that. Our condolences to you and your family. Bob will be missed. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:16, 21 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Bob was always a pleasure to work with. Sorry to hear he's gone, I'll miss him. As for the collection, you might try Centipede press (mail to jerad@centipedepress.com). Sometimes they sell special collections for family of former customers. I think Bob was one of their better customers, recently he helped them with a [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Biomassbob#Strange_Plasma_issue_8 rare Lafferty story] and his collection is certainly special. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 08:28, 22 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::My condolences as well. Your father was one of my favorite ISFDB collaborators to work with. I will miss him greatly. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:55, 22 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::He will definitely be missed here. He contributed quite a bit over the years. My condolences to you and to your family. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:35, 22 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::I am so sorry for your loss, Nancy. Bob was great to work with, I valued his input on many projects and he will be missed here. May his memory be a blessing. Rest in Peace, Bob. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 03:43, 23 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::I'm so sorry to hear about Bob. I had lunch with your Bob and your brother at the Windy City Pulp collector's convention in 2019. It was one of most enjoyable encounters I have had in the last several years and I'd hoped to meet with him again.<br />
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:::If you can wait until ~April 2024 to sell his collection, the upcoming Windy City Pulp convention will give you the opportunity to contact 50-100 dealers, and you might be able to arrange for an estate auction.[[User:Rkihara|Rkihara]] ([[User talk:Rkihara|talk]]) 12:27, 30 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?178737; Maybe someone here who knows his personal info would like to update his record. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:52, 30 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::I've updated it with his date of death and linked it to his user page here. If anyone can find an obituary for him, we can update it more. I've had no luck finding one. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:17, 30 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::I've been in and out of the hospital myself recently, so I missed Bob's death, but I've always found him a helpful editor and moderator, ever since I started here eleven years ago. He will be missed. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 00:33, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Golem Questions ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5698892; This is the original edition, I think. Then there is this, https://archive.org/search?query=meyrink+golem+wolff&sort=-addeddate, where the 2 Golem editions are by Kurt Wolff but are different on title/copyright pages. Any of the many German editors here may want to approve my edit and then add details to it which escaped me, being non-fluent in the language, and also enter those other 2 which are likely later editions. On a semi-related note I asked 2 PV recently about Bester's Golem 100 but one of them is now deceased so if anyone knows the answer, possibly the other PV, thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:21, 22 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5698892; Someone finally got around to my Golem edit but rejected it because of the date, although I think it's because it was published in December and, as so often, books published at the end of the year have a copyright for the following year. But whatever. If anyone ever does anything with this they can decide if the archived copy is a first printing, a later edition, whatever. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:57, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Madrone Tree ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=the-madrone-tree; There was a recent message here about an A.C. Clarke cover being originally from Dark Dominion by David Duncan; I see his "reviewed in The Arkham Sampler", almost genre, novel The Madrone Tree was recently upped but there's no cover and copyright page is pretty bare so I suspect it's some kind of book club edition, in case anyone can figure out from a gutter code or something what exactly it is and wants to enter it here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:59, 23 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Derek Hegsted ==<br />
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I was adding a few edits to editions of L. Ron Hubbard's Fear when I noticed the note for the 1991 HC said they're not sure where the internal art credit came from, so I found a 1994 article on www.deseret.com which mentioned Hegsted and said he did art for 3 books including Serpent Catch and Murisaki. The first is by Dave Wolverton and credits Derek Hegstead so I did all the needed variants and such but the second is unknown; searching for that title on WorldCat found 1 musical score for the harp and nothing else, so if anyone knows what it is (novel?) that would be great. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:01, 23 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:They might mean [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?928491 this anthology], though the art is apparently by Stephen Youll. I actually have this anthology, so I will check it when I get home from work. I also have Serpent Catch, so I can check that one, too (for the spelling of his name). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:49, 30 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I have 2 pending edits for Serpent Catch. After those are approved I don't think you'll need to do anything else with that book. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:08, 30 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Complete Cthulhu ==<br />
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For Lovecraft fans, https://archive.org/search?query=complete-cthulhu&sort=-addeddate; not sure which edition it is, leather bound or collectible ("collectible" didn't show up in a text search and "leather" only shows up in some of the stories) and it's a 3rd printing, I think, but ISFDB has a 9th (!) printing. So I mention it in case anyone wants to enter. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:41, 24 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Baen Books vs. Baen Fantasy ==<br />
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See this discussion, https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Dirk_P_Broer#Warriorwards, in case any of the many PV agree and want to make Baen Fantasy a publisher series and make Baen Books the publisher. This is similar, I think, to how most people entered the countless Tor publications as just that but a handful decided to enter Tor Horror, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?73896, as if that's a separate publisher or something. EDIT: There's also a related issue where a handful entered Avon Horror as a series, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?9753, when it isn't. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:47, 24 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== 2 Vikings ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?67171; First book is by cheap UK 50's PB publisher while others are UK editions of major American publisher Viking so something should be added to PB publisher to differ. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:25, 24 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== WSFA Small Press Award ==<br />
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Is the [https://wsfasmallpressaward.org/ WSFA Small Press Award] in the database? I was checking a few authors who were already nominated for it but couldn't find it in neither their pages or in the Awards Directory. [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 18:55, 16 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It doesn't look like it's been added yet, looking at the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_directory.cgi list of awards]. I think it's likely eligible. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:26, 19 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Thanks! Where is the best place to propose a new addition to the Awards directory? [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 00:58, 24 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Ahaseurus usually adds the award itself, and then any moderator can add categories to it (if needed) and any editor can add awards to various titles and moderators will then approve them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:23, 26 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Sorry I missed the question when it was posted on the Help Desk. I agree that the award looks eligible. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:19, 26 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: If there are no objections, I will create this award type tomorrow. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 23:41, 29 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: The Award Type [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?108 has been created]. Thanks for bringing it to everyone's attention. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:18, 30 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Manfred W. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=manfred+wil&type=Name; Usual PV for these languages, Stonecreek, JLochhas, Rudam, Willem, so if any of them know whether these 2 guys are the same or whether one or the other is misspelled and needs to be made a variant or if they're not the same guy at all, have a look. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:54, 26 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== James Barry ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?141183; I made some edits for Mutants recently and noticed clicking on James Barry leads to another person's record; some variant is needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:16, 27 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I disambiguated the two James Barry's. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 01:50, 29 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Two review books ==<br />
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I have two anthologies that are nothing, or almost nothing, but reviews on slick paper. One is [https://www.amazon.com/Paperback-Fantastic-Horror-Justin-Marriott/dp/B0B92HCLRL/ref=sr_1_2?crid=1ZY6MCRPL0TRU&keywords=Paperback+Fantastic+Horror&qid=1687909120&s=books&sprefix=paperback+fantastic+horror%2Cstripbooks%2C104&sr=1-2 Paperback Fantasic #3] and [https://www.amazon.com/Collected-Pulp-Horror-One/dp/1793987548/ref=sr_1_1?crid=19Z86H7GZ1TFN&keywords=the+Collected+Pulp+Horror&qid=1687909847&s=books&sprefix=the+collected+pulp+horror%2Cstripbooks%2C128&sr=1-1 The Collected Pulp Horror]. Both are profusely illustrated with book covers, some in color. Do I list the cover reproductions/reprints along with the reviews and articles? Is there a rule about this? I have no life, so either way is fine, and I got the time to list everything. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 20:03, 27 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: If the reproductions are of genre novels and books - YES - as interior art that then gets varianted into the covers when possible! If they are not - as long as the reviews are of eligible books, the whole book is eligible so... yes. There is actually a chance that you may discover previously unknown artists for some of our books - in which case you can add a coverart record crediting the books you are holding and then use that as a parent for the reproduction. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 20:48, 27 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Angry Candy Art ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?123061; I was adding 2 links to Houghton Mifflin and 1 to Mariner (+ page numbers) when I noticed the odd page numbering for the art in Plume; very early 2007 PV here so maybe that was the thing back then but now it doesn't need page numbers, does it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:00, 28 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Hughart Omnibus ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?136566; Finding a photo of Barry Hughart on FantLab spurred me to add archived links to editions of all 3 of his novels but his omnibus is nowhere to be found. The original publisher apparently published nothing else and the Subterranean edition was re-released with corrections. Someone here must have a copy of one of these books; if they do, I'm sure some info can be fixed/added. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:00, 28 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cleanup Report: Potential Duplicate E-book Publications ==<br />
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I just noticed that all of the titles by Glynn Stewart that have a Patreon edition ebook publication are showing up on the Potential Duplicate E-book Publications Cleanup Report. For example: "A Question of Faith". Right now there's only about 35 of them but is there any way to tweak the report criteria so they aren't on it? They are very definitely not duplicates. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:58, 28 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Thus the word "Potential" - these reports have a hidden functionality in them :) Moderators can ignore the ones which are valid and do not need to be flagged. For non-moderators, if you provide a list of the valid ones in a Moderator Board post, a moderator will look them over and click on the ignore for you. This is valid of a lot of our reports - they don't always mean that there is an issue - or that what they are flagging is the issue - they are just a "go check this again" warning based on automatic checks. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:10, 28 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Itsy Bitsy Spider ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1013230; This is a very confused title. I just made 3 PENDING edits removing title from Shivers III, importing title from Read Your Fears into Shivers III, and re-dating that title to date of Shivers III. Now the problem is that the parent title is wrong because this story was co-authored with his daughter (and the 1994 date is also wrong) but his collection Aftershock does list the title in table of contents as Itsy Bitsy Spider and doesn't mention a co-author. Archive.org copy of Aftershock is messed up and doesn't allow any searches so I think the correct thing to do would be to add co-author to parent title and then re-title it and date it to match the kid's anthology it first appeared in and for someone who has access to Aftershock to verify what's on the story's title page and fix if needed. Anyone have it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 01:20, 29 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I reversed the variant and parent so that the original title with both authors is now the parent. Looking at the Amazon Look Inside for ''Aftershock & Others'', Meggan C. Wilson is listed in the acknowledgements for "Itsy Bitsy Spider" and searching her name within the Look Inside shows a hit on page 151 (page story starts on) even though the page is not shown. As such, I added her to that story. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 02:02, 29 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Lucifer and the Child ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5705474; Judging by the wartime note on copyright page and 1944 dates of writing on last page I think book date should be changed to 1945 like WorldCat says. What say you? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:49, 29 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Spanish Genesis ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?88476; https://www.amazon.com/-/es/dp/8432037427; I was entering several edits for Harbinson books and came across this. Someone more familiar with Spanish publications may know what the "2d" on the cover means, whether this is a reprint of the original Planeta or if there was an earlier edition from someone else, and I'm sure the seller's description in Spanish has some info that could be useful. In case anyone wants to enter anything. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:29, 29 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Betancur ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=betancur&type=Name; Likely the same artist. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:49, 30 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== It-Alien Nation ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3405; Some weird uploader from Canada has 3 obscure Canadian non-fiction items in their account and a HC Italian edition of Alan Dean Foster's novelization of the 1988 film Alien Nation, https://archive.org/details/aliennation0000fost, in case anyone fluent wants to enter that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:34, 30 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Out of the Everywhere ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?37423; I added Archive.org link in a PENDING edit to 1981 US PB, someone's note about comma only on cover and spine but someone added it to cover art and Canadian PB title, needs removing, also someone's note about LCCN not being on LoC but someone added it to both US and Canadian, needs removing from External ID and adding number to notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:02, 30 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Caramine ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=weapon+master&type=All+Titles; I don't usually dabble in old pulp but I think I stumbled across something here. Note in Caramine's record says it's a pseudonym of a SF guy; search for title and Robert Hoskins gets a few mentions in SF bibliographies but this search, https://archive.org/search?query=%22weapon+master%22+%22a.+l.+caramine%22&sin=TXT&sort=-addeddate, shows a few copies of the zine where Caramine's credit was. This review of the zine where the Hoskins credit was, http://andrewdarlington.blogspot.com/2015/12/retrospect-science-fiction-adventures.html, mentions Newcastle and Jordan's Delight, 2 places mentioned in the Caramine story, so I think it's obvious that Hoskins reprinted the story under his own name. Also interesting is that the note here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?212773, mentions "Ac" as artist for the Hoskins story; Ac=A. Caramine? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:33, 2 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jason ? Brock ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=dark+sea+within&type=All+Titles; Last item has no period after V in Brock's name; eBay copy also shows no period on contents page and Kobo preview shows no period on acknowledgements page but all-important story page wasn't seen, so if anyone owns/knows where a readable copy is it would help to decide whether it needs to be a variant or merged. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:44, 2 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Lee Ann Barlow / Lee Kuruganti ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?248792 Lee Ann Barlow] appears to be the married name of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?102605 Lee Kuruganti].<br />
* Lee Ann Barlow - 49 titles, earliest 2016-10-00.<br />
* Lee Kuruganti - 109 titles, latest 2016-01-00.<br />
Normally we would make Lee Kuruganti the canonical name. Are there any objections to making Lee Ann Barlow the canonical name? This will avoid having to reverse the relationship at the point where Lee Ann Barlow is the most recognized. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:57, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Ordinarily, recently published titles have more "weight" when determining "the most recognized name for the author within the SF genre", so I would be agree with the proposal if the numbers were close. However, 49 vs. 109 is rather lopsided and there is no guarantee that the artist will continue publishing as by "Lee Ann Barlow" going forward, at least at the same rate of publication. It makes me hesitant to create an exception. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:34, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Your point regarding future publications is valid. I'll make Lee Kuruganti the canonical name for now. We can revisit if the credits equalize. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:20, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mr. Scott ==<br />
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I added cover artist to American edition of The Jules Verne Companion, Steve Hofheimer, thanks to FantLab, but the British edition is confusing. Both American and British (searchable on Google Books) say "Designed by Christopher Scott" on title page. ISFDB has a Chris Scott, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?228831, with cover art credit for the British, and a Christopher Scott, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?112902, with interior art for another Peter Haining anthology. Both Scotts also have short story credits for some other Scott with the same first name; whether author Chris and author Christopher are the same guy is another question. So anyone who maybe owns the British and can verify it says "Chris" on a flap or something would help. Separating authors from artists is also needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:36, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Independence Day ==<br />
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https://media.tenor.com/13bNRuU9yDIAAAAC/july4th-yes.gif; https://media.tenor.com/YOYXiSoDol8AAAAd/happy4th-of-july-4th-of-july.gif. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:46, 4 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Manor ISBN ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_isbn&O_2=contains&TERM_2=1532&USE_3=pub_publisher&O_3=contains&TERM_3=manor&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication]; Killer Pack is the only Manor book which starts with 1532, just over 200 Manor books on ISFDB start with 0532, this eBay copy, https://picclick.com/Killer-Pack-Herbert-Myers-Paperbacks-From-Hell-285355696448.html, has no starting number on the spine, should it be changed from 1 to 0? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:20, 4 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Twilight Tales Presents, September 1998 ==<br />
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What happened to the cover? Also, it's verified for Locus1, but where is it listed there? I thought Locus was only for books. --[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 14:08, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?386118 Twilight Tales Presents, September 1998]. Galactic Central either moved the cover or had to delete it for some reason - the risk in using outside/non-ISFDB hosted covers. If it was moved, someone may be able to track it. If it is deleted, we need to find it elsewhere...<br />
: As for Locus1 - check with Ron. Part of it is that some of the things we consider magazines are considered anthologies by others (and vice versa) but the verifier can tell you what the answer is better than anyone else. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:28, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks, Annie. Sorry I didn't put the link in my post. I wonder why Galactic Central deleted it… --[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 14:31, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Copyright challenge, personal information (if there was a label on it?), a mistake by someone, just moving it somewhere, a better cover was uploaded but the name not used for some reason - who knows what happened. Their covers are usually stable (unlike their links) but things happen. You can always ask them if you want :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:38, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Locus1 actually does cover magazines in addition to books. Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:13, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::So I did ask Phil S-P, and this is what he said: "[''Twilight Tales Presents''] is one of those strange borderline publications that is sometimes classed as a magazine and sometimes as an anthology (I see that the ISFDb currently tries to have it both ways by listing some issues as magazines and some as anthologies!). My view is that it was an anthology series and, as such, falls outside my core remit."<br />
:::::Disappointing. —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 14:32, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Linking Award details on Award Type and Award Category pages ==<br />
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We currently use asterisks ("*") on Award Type and Award Category pages to link to nominations without a numeric value. See [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ay.cgi?23+2023 ''2023 Hugo Award''] for an example of an Award Type page which has no numeric values because only nominations have been announced: every link is an asterisk.<br />
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As [[User:ErsatzCulture]] pointed out earlier today, these asterisks are not particularly intuitive; it's hard for our users to tell that you need to click on an asterisk to see each award's detailed data. How about we replace "*" with the word "Details"? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:42, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:I think having the word "Details" would clutter up the page, especially given how those tables are displayed. Maybe use the Unicode 🛈 (U+1F6C8) or Ⓘ (U+24BE). Some other possibilities: ⎆ (U+2386), ⎘ (U+2398), ⏵ (U+23F5), Ⓓ (for "Details", U+24B9), ▶ (U+25B6), ► (U+25BA), ➤ (U+27A4), ➨ (U+27A8), ➔ (U+2794), ➜ (U+279C), ➥ (U+27A5), and ⮩ (U+2BA9). You could use one of these if "Nominated" was selected: 🅝 (U+1F15D), 🄽 (U+1F13D), 🅽 (U+1F17D), or 🇳 (U+1F1F3). If they're a finalist, there are the equivalent versions of "F": 🅕 (U+1F155), 🄵 (U+1F135), 🅵 (U+1F175), and 🇫 (U+1F1EB). <br />
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:I lean toward one of these two (out of those I listed): ▶ (U+25B6), ➤ (U+27A4). If you like the letters for "Nominated" and "Finalist", then I like 🇳 (U+1F1F3) and 🇫 (U+1F1EB). [https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/category/So This] is where I found these. Looks like they also have medals, too, for first (🥇 (U+1F947)), second (🥈 (U+1F948)), and third (🥉 (U+1F949)) places. That might be a little too fancy, though. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:47, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: I'm getting horrible flashbacks of sitting in meetings where a project manager and a graphic/UI designer were having a screaming fit about whether a white-i-in-a-blue-circle, or a question-mark-in-a-circle were best icons for this sort of link ;-)<br />
:: I do agree that "Details" might be a bit long, my initial thought was something like Heavy Asterisk ✱ (U+2731) and/or doing with the CSS to have a min-width on the link to make it easier to click on. <br />
:: However it then struck me - "Details" is perhaps overselling things for the majority of awards - in many cases, the award detail page doesn't (IIRC) have any info that isn't already shown on the ay.cgi list page. Could we perhaps do something like this for the link text:<br />
:: - if there's a number, show that (like we do at present)<br />
:: - if there's a note for the award - i.e. if the award_note_id is not NULL or zero - then show "More", an arrow icon, or something else that indicates there's more info available if the user wants it. (NB: we don't care what that info is, only if it exists, so there's no need to join onto the notes table in the underlying query)<br />
:: - if there's no note - i.e. award_note_id is NULL or zero - then show an asterisk, or some relatively uninteresting UI element, which facilitates clicking through to the award_details.cgi page, but doesn't mislead a user into thinking there's anything interesting to be found behind the link<br />
:: [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 16:27, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: I believe you are correct: the only thing that the Award page shows that isn't available on higher level "list" pages is Notes. I like the idea of having some kind of indicator to distinguish award records with Notes from award records without Notes. "More" is probably the most straightforward way to do it without adding clutter to the page.<br />
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::: Re: Unicode characters like 🇳 and 🇫, it's a complementary idea which can be addressed separately. We can certainly use them instead of asterisks for specific "award levels". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:46, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Here's a barebones implementation (less than a half-a-dozen lines changed) of what was discussed, at least as I understood/interpreted it<br />
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:::: My initial thought is that "More" makes that column a bit too wide; maybe instead use something like [https://prod.emojipedia.org/information/ one of these images]? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 17:57, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: We already use "&#x24d8;" to indicate that a record has Notes -- see the "Translations" table on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1302553 this page], so I guess we could use the same symbol on Award pages. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:22, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: {{FR|1579}}, "Display a mouse-over Notes bubble for award records with Notes", has been created. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:36, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Profit of Doom ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5712870; I'm starting to slowly go through ErsatzCulture's very useful list of books published only in the UK and this one had a note from the long-missing PV "Prof Beard" with a link to the photo, so I uploaded it. The publisher has about 20 books on ISFDB with either David Hardy or David A. Hardy as cover artist so it's very likely the same guy but a jacketed copy would need to be seen in order to know how he was credited. This book seems to have fallen off a cliff into a black hole because there's almost no info about it anywhere, so if anyone can do better and find an online copy or owns one then the artist will probably be able to be entered. Unless they didn't credit him at all. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:55, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Russian Sheckley ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/belaiasmertfanta0000shec; While fixing some title dates and adding a link to Dead Run re: Robert Sheckley's Stephen Dain novels I ran across this, an omnibus of all 5 of those books plus The Man in the Water, in case anyone fluent in Russian would like to enter that nearly 1,000-page monster. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:26, 8 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Series Map ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?2147; Should a map really be part of a series or is that a mistake that should be removed? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:52, 8 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Five Star Questions ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?933215; I've done a ton of edits for Five Star books today; 2 issues: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?933215, should those credits be separated since art is different? Also, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1150004, title date is November, book date is December, search of Google Books copy can't get a grasp on the copyright page credit, intro month needs adding, so anyone who can verify what's the month can fix title or book date and add month to intro. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:49, 8 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Trek Ladies ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5713417; There's no photo on Culbreath's Wikipedia so I found one but her writing partner Sondra Marshak has a photo of Vonda N. McIntyre on her Open Library page; I recognize it because some time ago I added 3 different versions of the same photo to her record here, each one better than the last, until I found the best one that's there now. Vonda's Open Library page has a much later photo that's correct because it shows up elsewhere online on pages re: her death. Any idea why her older photo is on the wrong page or why Culbreath's birth date on Wikipedia is several months later than what's here? Now that I think of it, it's possible Culbreath's photo isn't really her, either. Some older SF people here will probably recognize everyone and chime in. EDIT: Good Lord, it isn't her. An obituary on file770.com reveals that image is of Shirley S. Maiewski, another Trek writer, so I cancelled Culbreath and added the image to Maiewski. The mystery remains of what Culbreath and Marshak really look like and what's Culbreath's real birth date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:06, 8 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Witches Wraiths Warlocks ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?916737; I added 2 links to 1971 edition and 1 to 1973 edition, plus changed title from and to & like it says on cover and title page. Sadly, PV of all 3 editions is gone and 1988 edition says and on cover so he can't be asked if it's really & on title page and the 1 eBay copy shows back cover but not title page. So does anyone own the 1988 edition? Introduction would also need re-titling if it's &. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:10, 9 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Robert C. Goldston ==<br />
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{{A|Robert C. Goldston}} (1927-1982) was an American author who published 4 speculative fiction novels (we have 3 on file) and a significant amount of non-SF, some of it as by "James Stark". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:04, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I have added the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3206757 missing title] and sent a correction to SFE. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:02, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Our record currently links him to the "James Stark" who illustrated ''Nebula Science Fiction'' in 1956-1958. A SFE contributor has suggested that the US author and the UK artist were likely two different people. Would anyone happen to know more about this issue?<br />
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Also, we don't have Goldston's exact date of death on file. In a [https://groups.google.com/g/alt.obituaries/c/dlHahRx81_M 2017 Usenet/Google Groups discussion] one of the participants claimed to be Goldston's child and wrote:<br />
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* He died at the age of 54, in Palma de Mallorca on Jan 15 1982 after a short-lived and vicious battle against renal carcinoma. His death was attended by all of his family who would be the only ones who have this information, simply because nobody ever asked us.<br />
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I hesitate to add the date to our record without additional verification, but perhaps it may point someone else in the right direction. Palma de Mallorca is a Spanish city; perhaps a local/regional/national newspaper may have mentioned it? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:04, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I would take the cautionary way and add '1982-01-00' with an accompanying note that it has to be verified. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:23, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks for the feedback. Since we don't seem to be able to find a (semi)official source, I left it as "1982-00-00" and added the Usenet/Google Group quote to Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:57, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Re: the other point (the James Stark pseudonym): The Wikipedia entry states that he at "one time was a science-fiction cover artist under the pseudonym James Stark for Nebula Science Fiction.[6]" (the [6] referring to a now defunct source: sfcovers.net), so it seems quite possible that the two names belong to the same person, also for the cover artwork. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:23, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebula_Science_Fiction Wikipedia's article about ''Nebula Science Fiction''] mentions {{A|David A. Hardy}}'s article [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1560681 Art & Artists] in {{A|Robert Holdstock}}'s [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?204909 1978 ''Encyclopedia of Science Fiction'']. Checking page 129 of the book, I see that Hardy wrote:<br />
::* The Sottish-based magazine ''Nebula Science Fiction'', which appeared between 1952 and 1959, also gave cover space to artists including Eddie Jones, Alan Hunter, James Stark and Gerald Quinn. Stark's covers were often just that: severe portrayals of technology against which men were mere ants.<br />
:: Hardy doesn't mention the Goldston connection, which I suspect he would have done if he had been aware of it.<br />
:: ''Galactic Central'' [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/SFI/n01675.htm#A199 doesn't link] James Stark the artist to Robert C. Goldston either.<br />
:: It would appear that the only specialized bibliographic source that is not the ISFDB and that links the two people is the defunct SFcovers.net site -- see [https://web.archive.org/web/20140819040154/http://www.sfcovers.net/Artists/bpage017.htm this archived Web page]. It's even possible that they got the idea that the two authors/artists were the same person from us.<br />
:: Given the above, I would be inclined to break the Alternate Name link and document what we know in Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:28, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Hearing no objection, I have broken the link between the two author records, deleted/adjusted the VTs as needed and added Notes to both author records. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:26, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bear II ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive50#Bear; A copy of this was just uploaded and my edit adding a link was just approved; if anyone can stand to read it then it can be determined whether it's really genre or not. From skimming I get the feeling it's not, so deletion is possible. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:07, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Awards where the title has multiple authors, but some have declined ==<br />
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(This is a slightly edited version of an item I posted on Ahasuerus' page, but he suggested I post it here for wider opinion.)<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?205470 S. B. Divya] has announced that she declined 2 Hugo nominations. One is a novelette, and I've added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?78990 an appropriate entry for that], even if I guess it's not technically official until the stats report becomes available.<br />
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The other is more awkward, as it's a joint editorship of a semiprozine. I've added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?78952 a note] to explain the situation, and to try to pre-empt any complaints. However, this isn't visible on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3137421 the title page] or [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/eaw.cgi?205470 her award page].<br />
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One "solution" would be to unlink the award from the title, which I think might then allow you to edit the authors? I'm definitely not going to try that without a second or third opinion, and losing the link to the title record doesn't seem good. There might be some hack with editing the award_author value to lose the leading "S. B. Divya+", but I don't think that would solve the problem with the title.cgi or eaw.cgi pages?<br />
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Ahasuerus' response:<br />
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"Some authors/editors accepting a nomination and some authors/editors declining it" is a scenario that I don't think I have seen before. I can't think of a way to handle it given the current database schema, but perhaps I am missing something. I would suggest starting a discussion on the Community Portal to see if other editors may have other ideas.<br />
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Anyone got any thoughts on how we might be able to best handle this? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 11:57, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I consider our awards pages an extension of our publication pages, not our author pages. So I'd just add a note in the second case and that will be it - in the same way how we won't delete a book just because an author is now embarrassed of it (or something). If they are on the title record and the title wins an award, we mark it as such. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:15, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: At the moment we have two types of awards: title-based awards and "everything else" awards. We also have outstanding requests to add support for author awards ({{FR|583}}), publisher awards ({{FR|269}}) and series awards (no FR yet), but no work has been done on them as of yet.<br />
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:: For title-based awards, we link award records directly to title records. Our software then uses the linked title's author(s) and title when displaying the award; there is no way to have an award record display different authors or a different title. Award records are then given a "nomination level", which can be anything from "win" to "finalist" to "ineligible" to "withdrawn -- nomination declined".<br />
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:: This approach reflects how actual awards are structured reasonably well most of the time, but we have seen borderline cases which our software didn't support. For example, if an award has no provisions for an author withdrawing a nominated title, it's possible for a text to be both "nominated" and "withdrawn".<br />
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:: The situation described above reflects another issue with our model. If a title has multiple authors/editors and a subset of the authors/editors declines the nomination, we have no way of capturing the scenario in the database outside of Notes.<br />
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:: I guess one way to handle it at the data model level would be to create a separate "accepted/declined" multi-field with one value per author. It would be fairly time-consuming to implement and we would want to make sure that this solution doesn't have any holes in it before we create an FR. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:08, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: I really don't think that we need more than notes here. When all authors decline a nomination, the title is not nominated - we can handle this case already. When at least one does not decline, the title gets nominated and can even win - these are nominations for the texts, not for the authors after all. What happens if someone gets an award somewhere and a year later decides to withdraw (because they just learned about it and really dislike the body giving the award for example)? Or if whoever gives the award ignores a nomination rejection? I think we should just use the notes to document the cases where a rejection does not influence the title becoming a nominee/winner... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:33, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: For the moment, I've edited the note on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?205470 her page]; more than happy if someone else wants to refine the wording. I don't think we need to do anything with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3137421 the EDITOR title record], as that doesn't show any author/editor names in the awards section. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:06, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: I disagree with adding this note to the author's Summary Bibliography page. It is not our function to highlight what is really a personal decision. As bibliographers, were record the award and leave it at that. I'm fine with moving the note to the award record. Even if the consensus agrees with the current placement, the comment regarding our software is inappropriate and should be removed. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:53, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::: I agree - the note does not belong on the author note level - it should be on the award level - that is where it is relevant. I'd be ok for it to be on the title level (for better visibility) but it definitely does not belong on the author level. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:26, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::: You may be unsurprised to find that I disagree. I don't think we should have a page saying "Author X was a nominee for Award Y" when they have made [https://sbdivya.com/fwords/2023/6/29/withdrawing-from-hugo-nominations a clear public statement] that they have not. I think people would understand if we explicit acknowledge this error is due to technical reasons; obviously it would be better if that info only appears on the page it is pertinent to (the awards tab of the author page; it's not needed on the summary, alphabetical or chronological pages), but again that's not something currently supported. As I said, I'm more than happy for others to finesse the wording, but I feel we need to acknowledge the info shown is incorrect for reasons that we're not able to fix currently.<br />
::::::: It's barely 6 months since a blow-up which ended up with [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Speculative_Fiction_Database#History this] (final para of History section, see also [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Internet_Speculative_Fiction_Database#Refusal_to_update_author's_name_change Talk page]) and [https://www.patreon.com/posts/76590909 this] and various luminaries criticizing this site e.g. [https://twitter.com/pnh/status/1603369239091376128 Tor editor-in-chief], [https://twitter.com/JonathanStrahan/status/1603174740654718976 Locus reviews editor and anthologist], [https://twitter.com/aphoebebarton/status/1603886416534069253 SFWA Director-at-Large]. (There are a load more than those three, but the broken Musk-era Twitter is only showing them to me on the Android app, not the web version.) I imagine most of the editors here understand the structure of the database and site, but this stuff isn't apparent or easily understood to the wider audience. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 16:45, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::I think that was blown way out of proportion. While they claim to have been trying for "over a year", they never posted here (or on any of the other discussion pages) until [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB%3AModerator_noticeboard&type=revision&diff=651183&oldid=650924 14 Dec 2022] about their concerns. Once we knew about the concerns, they were completely addressed [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB%3AModerator_noticeboard&type=revision&diff=651480&oldid=651444 within about 5 days]. Their whining on Twitter and the coverage by Sanford were extremely one-sided and rather disingenuous. My guess is that the changes submitted (whatever they were, and whenever they were) didn't include appropriate documentation. Sanford also mischaracterized an editor's rather bigoted comment as by a "moderator", which was clearly false (not everyone who posts on that noticeboard is a moderator). We try to be as accommodating as possible, but when what they are complaining about is historical, they really don't have much ground to stand on. We document information as it was at the time of publication. We don't have a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministries_in_Nineteen_Eighty-Four#Ministry_of_Truth Ministry of Truth] that wipes out historical information. All things considered, I think we did a great job handling the issue once it was brought to our attention. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:04, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::: I agree that the issue, once posted on the Moderator Noticeboard, was handled expeditiously. As I wrote below, "when Lee Mandelo [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard/Archive_31#Records_Correction_-_Name_.26_Profile_Display asked to have our records updated to make "Lee Mandelo" the canonical name] in December 2022, we requested additional information to support the notion that "Lee Mandelo" was "the most recognized in-genre name" as per the ISFDB policies. Once the supporting information was provided, the canonical name was changed."<br />
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:::::::::: That said, the scenario where "the changes submitted (whatever they were, and whenever they were) didn't include appropriate documentation" is fairly common. There is a big knowledge gap between casual ISFDB users and experienced ISFDB contributors, especially moderators. When reviewing a new contributor's submission which seems to go against ISFDB rules, it's important to query the contributor to determine what the intent of the submission was. It's been my experience that many seemingly wrong or even nonsensical submissions contain good information once you figure out what the submitter was trying to do. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:58, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::::Perhaps we should add something like the following to '''all''' database editing forms. If it was placed at the top, and made very obvious (perhaps put it in a box with a yellow background?), it might help alleviate such issues:<br />
:::::::::::<blockquote>When submitting new information or changes to existing information, please include in the ''Moderator Note'' field references to where you got the information. This can be URLs to specific web pages, book or magazine titles and page numbers, that you spoke directly with a relevant person (please include details of the conversation), or anything else that will help us verify the changes you are submitting. This information should also be included in the publication or title note fields, as well. Doing this will help speed up the process of approving the submitted changes. Thank you!</blockquote><br />
:::::::::::Thoughts? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:35, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::::: A few things come to mind:<br />
::::::::::::* We could limit the display of the proposed "yellow box" to editors with fewer than 20 Wiki posts. It would be similar to the way we color-code submission rows on the Moderator Queue page. The text could start with something like "Hi! Since you haven't made many posts on the ISFDB Wiki, it looks like you are a new editor. Please be aware that the ISFDB database and its data entry rules are complex and may not be intuitive at first glance. When submitting new information or changes to existing information, please include [etc].<br />
::::::::::::* We should use "Note field" as opposed to "publication or title note fields" because the proposed box will appear on all Edit pages.<br />
::::::::::::* I am not sure asking new editors to duplicate what they enter in regular Notes in Moderator Notes would be a good idea.<br />
::::::::::::* This topic probably merits a separate Community Portal section since we are up to 12 levels of indentation.<br />
:::::::::::: [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:13, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::: I see three separate issues here. The first one is the accuracy of our data. The second one is the substance of ISFDB policies and what various people think of them. The third one is whether our practices match our policies. <br />
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:::::::: Re: accuracy, our software doesn't let us create a comprehensive picture of award records where only some of the co-authors/co-editors declined a nomination (outside of Notes.) There are three primary ISFDB pages which display this award in an incomplete manner due to software limitations:<br />
::::::::* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?78952 the award record]<br />
::::::::* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3137421 the EDITOR title record]<br />
::::::::* {{A|S. B. Divya}}'s [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/eaw.cgi?205470 Award Bibliography page]<br />
:::::::: I think it would be best to have a note on all 3 of these Web pages in order to make sure that we don't inadvertently mislead our users with incomplete data. At this time the Award record and the Author record already have notes while the Title record doesn't have a note.<br />
:::::::: In addition, we may want to clarify the language of the note. Something like "Note that the ISFDB award record for ''Escape Pod - 2022'' states that it was nominated for the 2023 Hugo award, which is only partially accurate due to software limitations. One of the co-editors, S. B. Divya, declined the nomination on 2023-06-29 while the other co-editor, Mur Lafferty, remains nominated as of 2023-07-10. See the award record for details."<br />
:::::::: Re: the substance of ISFDB policies and what various people think of them, as the ISFDB FAQ says, we do not have official social media presence. If someone wants to suggest a change to the ISFDB policies, they are welcome to post on the Rules and Standards page.<br />
:::::::: Re: the issue of whether our practices match our policies, when Lee Mandelo [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard/Archive_31#Records_Correction_-_Name_.26_Profile_Display asked to have our records updated to make "Lee Mandelo" the canonical name] in December 2022, we requested additional information to support the notion that "Lee Mandelo" was "the most recognized in-genre name" as per the ISFDB policies. Once the supporting information was provided, the canonical name was changed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:41, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::The problem comes up in several scenarios with title based awards. Those awards currently have a one to one relationship with a title record. Thus, for a title based award, we will always display the Title and Author fields from title record. I believe that schema for the awards table has its own title and author fields, and they used to be exposed and could vary from that of the title record. I had been using that feature to record differences between who was nominated vs who is on the title record when they varied, but [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] asked me to stop doing that in a prior discussion and we cleaned up any records where they differed. Aside from the current question (a nomination does not list all the editors for the magazine), we also have issues of having to enter multiple awards for a single nomination (same magazine for the 2023 Hugos, as there was a change in editors). We've had issues where the nominees for a title include someone in addition to the author of that title (see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?63684 2019 Best Art Book] which was awarded to Charles Vess and Le Guin). We've also had instances where the title of the work differs from the title as published (see this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?68201 2021 Novelette nominee] which was nominated as "Helicopter Story" which is the author's preferred title).<br />
:::::::::I think one way to solve these problems would be to allow the title and author fields for the award to vary from that of the linked title. I would also recommend that a single award could be linked to multiple title records. The award could then be listed in the author's award list for those authors from the award record and in all the title records that are linked. I'm not sure how radical a change that would be, though I suspect linking one award to multiple titles would be non-trivial. However, it would solve the issues noted above. I had seen Divya's announcement, but planned to wait to add the withdrawal until the Hugo statistics are published after the award ceremony. I hadn't worried about the magazine credit, because I'm used to the fact that magazine awards frequently do not reflect the persons nominated due to our software. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:25, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::::: Sorry about the delay; I am still thinking about the issues raised in your comments. There are some similarities with the way we handle REVIEW records. I am also trying to figure out how any future changes may affect the outstanding FRs for series-, publisher- and author-based awards. Lots of implications to consider. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:34, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::::: A few thoughts after sleeping on it:<br />
::::::::::::* Back when title-based award records had separate titles and author names associated with them, it could -- and did -- cause data consistency problems. Let me use a real life example. Suppose an editor creates an award record for a cover by {{A|Mel Odom}} and links it to the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1476319 COVERART record]. A year or two later another editor discovers that Mel Odom the writer and Mel Odom the artist are two different people, then changes the COVERART record to be associated with "Mel Odom (artist)". At that point the COVERART record is associated with "Mel Odom (artist)" while the award record is associated with "Mel Odom". The same thing could -- and did -- happen when editors corrected the spelling of author names and/or titles. Over time it resulted in a significant number of discrepancies.<br />
::::::::::::* Adding support for "titles and title authors as stated in the award nomination" wouldn't automatically address the issue that this discussion started with. What we are dealing with is a title record with two authors and two (effective) nomination records, one "nominated" and the other one "declined", a different scenario.<br />
::::::::::::* From a purely technical perspective, the way award authors were originally captured in the database was very poor. Instead of having a separate table to capture the "one title - many authors" relationship that a properly designed database would have, the award table had a single "award_author" field. If an award was associated with multiple authors, they were all entered in the same field using "+" signs as delimiters. Anyone familiar with database design knows that this is a terrible idea which causes no end of problems. If we were to separate "title authors" and "title authors as stated in the award nomination", we would need to redesign and re-implement this part of the software. It would be doable, but non-trivial given how many different Web pages and internal data structures would be affected. The same table and field(s) are used by "untitled" awards, so they would be affected as well. If we were to add support for "transliterated titles/author names" -- as may be needed to capture non-English awards -- it would make an even bigger project.<br />
::::::::::::* Award committees frequently use different forms of author names, including collective names like "The Brothers Hildebrandt", interchangeably. The first ballot may use one form of the name, the final ballot another and the name on the award document a third one. We'd have to come up with data entry rules for these scenarios.<br />
::::::::::::* Letting title-based awards be linked to multiple title records is an interesting idea. It would require a fair amount of work, but it wouldn't raise the same design issues that adding support for "titles and title authors as stated in the award nomination" would raise.<br />
:::::::::::: That's all I have been able to think of for now. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:06, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::::::I fired up my MySQL instance (from a 2021 backup) and I see some of what you mean. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:08, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::: Although awards-related tables haven't changed since 2021, I would recommend using the latest MySQL backup file to ensure that we are all looking at the same data structures. New tables and fields are added reasonably frequently; I added recognized_domains just a couple of weeks ago. Barring that, [[Database Schema]] should be up to date and display more information than MySQL's "describe" command. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:36, 20 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::::::: I actually recall using the + signs in my very early days of editing here. It does look like is an intermediate table that could be used to link one award to many titles (title_awards). Of course, the software would have to be altered to look at it that way. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:08, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::: I believe you are right about "title_awards": it should be able to support a "one award - many titles" relationship as it currently exists. The problem lies in the software, which assumes that there can be only one title record per "title-based award" record. For example, the "Link Award" page tells you to enter "0 to break the link" between the displayed title-based award and its title record. It would have to be changed to be more like the "Make Alternate Name" page, which lets you specify which parent-title relationship to remove. Doable, but it would take time. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:36, 20 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::::::: Despite the sloppiness of some award committees in changing credits and titles, I think we are trying to model a real world object (an award) that naturally has a title and authors. Since they don't necessarily match our data model (for books, etc.) we run into the problems I mentioned earlier as well as the issue that spurred this topic. I do think that having distinct award titles and authors that differ from title record titles and authors would solve this issue. We would still need to have two records in the awards table (1 for the declined nomination and 1 for the nomination). I think maybe if I explain the use case. The award records would include:<br />
:::::::::::::* Record 1 - Title: Escape Pod; Authors: Mur Lafferty, Valerie Valdes, Benjamin C. Kinney... (there are 7 editors, assistant editors, etc listed in the nomination; award level nomination, linked to titles {{T|3137421}} and {{T|3133670}}.<br />
:::::::::::::* Record 2 - Title: Escape Pod; Authors: '''S. B. Divya''', Mur Lafferty, Valerie Valdes, Benjamin C. Kinney... (there are 7 editors, assistant editors, etc listed in the nomination; award level withdrawn nomination declined, linked to titles {{T|3137421}} and {{T|3133670}}. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:08, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::: This is a very interesting example since it raises an issue that I haven't considered before. [https://www.thehugoawards.org/hugo-history/2023-hugo-awards/ This nomination], like a number of other recent nominations, lists a number of people who are -- explicitly -- not editors. The list reads:<br />
::::::::::::::* co-editors Mur Lafferty & Valerie Valdes; Assistant editors Benjamin C. Kinney & Premee Mohamed, host Tina Connolly, producers Summer Brooks and Adam Pracht<br />
:::::::::::::: The question that it raises in my mind is whether this award should be linked to our EDITOR record, which is limited to two co-editors. I am thinking that it's best described as an "editorial team award" and should be entered as an "untitled award" instead. Not only would it, arguably, be a more accurate representation of the relationship between the award record and other ISFDB records, but it would also make the award record appear on {{A|Benjamin C. Kinney}}'s, {{A|Premee Mohamed}}'s, {{A|Tina Connolly}}'s and {{A|Adam Pracht}}'s Award Bibliography pages (Summer Brooks doesn't have an author record in the database.) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:36, 20 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::::::::I would argue that entering magazine awards as untitled awards would not be what most users would expect. The category for the award, semiprozine, is for the all the issues of a magazine for a calendar year. The EDITOR title record (or records) is the only title record that we have for magazines and fanzines. I think folks would expect to see the award in question listed on those title records. This would be especially confusing if we used untitled awards only in cases where the named persons in the award for a given magazine differ from those we list in the author field of EDITOR titles for the year. I think the ''Escape Pod'' nomination is an excellent example of the issues with magazine awards. It has both multiple EDITOR records for the calendar year, and differences between persons listed on the award vs listed in our title records. I do understand that software changes would be required for any of the changes I've proposed, and that we have limited resources for making such changes. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:01, 20 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::Both awards would be displayed in the award pages as is currently done. The software could be altered to display the records in the authors list based on the authors in the award record. Thus, S. B. Divya would show only record 2, whereas Mur Lafferty would show both records 1 & 2. The software would also be altered to display the awards on each linked title record, but the title records would not cause the linked award to propagate its authors' records. <br />
:::::::::::::This approach would solve the problems of not showing the non-declined nomination on Divya's award list. It would also solve the problem of having to have multiple award records in order to link to multiple title records. Lastly, this would also allow us to include authors (assistant editors, podcast hosts) that are in the official nomination, but who we don't credit in our title records. The one wrinkle I thought of after my original post, was that we potentially have variant titles or variant author names that do not exist in our database. One solution to that would be to allow the creation of titles and authors that only appear because of an award. Variants would roll up to the canonical records as they currently do.<br />
:::::::::::::Regarding the sub-optimal author arrangement in the awards table. I agree that it should be changed, but I don't see that it would be necessary in order to allow the author name on the award to be editable, and to allow it to differ from that of the linked title. After all, it worked that way a few years ago, until editing those fields on the award record was locked down.<br />
:::::::::::::Agreed that we would have to come up with rules as to what the authoritative source is for award recipients and titles. This is currently an issue. I try to match the award to the title that matches the title and name announced for the award rather than linking them to our canonical title record. They roll up anyway. <br />
:::::::::::::I think this approach solves a number of problems. If others agree, it still sounds like the required changes would be extensive and non trivial. Perhaps there are incremental changes that could be made to move us forward. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:08, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::: @Ahasuerus re your final 2 paras. Fair point: I'll try to put something together to post over the next 2 days, although given that researching the Chengdu/Hugo stuff seems to turn up a new weird-and-wonderful thing every day (not all necessarily relevant to ISFDB), I'm not sure it might take a bit longer. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:31, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::::::: Apologies for not coming back on this; I've been preoccupied with other things the last few days. Re. some of the points raised, I know that there was a lot of work done to get the records changed; my concern is that a lot of ill will seemed to be generated due to initial stonewalling (or at least, the perception of it) by pointing to the existing Rules & Standards as a reason not to make those changes. I'll try to get a proposal posted by Sunday at the latest. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 12:52, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::::: No problem. Re: the "perception of stonewalling", I suspect that it's related to the previously mentioned gap between what new contributors know about the data entry rules and what moderators know about them. When a moderator says "This isn't how we enter bibliographic data", it's based on multiple layers of understanding of what the rules say and why they say what they say. In the case mentioned above, once the rules and the reasoning behind them were explained in detail, Lee Mandelo realized that we were missing a significant amount of relevant information and provided it in a follow-up comment. It clarified the situation, at which point we were able to clean up and reorganize the data quickly.<br />
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:::::::::::: Based on that discussion we added [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#How_does_the_ISFDB_deal_with_author_name_changes.3F a new entry] to the ISFDB FAQ, but it's relatively short. Perhaps we should create a new Help page or template explaining that we make a distinction between legal names, socially used names and professionally used "working names" and the reasons why the data entry rules are the way they are. Basically a summary of what I wrote in response to Lee Mandelo's original post. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:53, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::::::: Sorry for making an already complicated item even more messed up, but I only just noticed Rtrace's comment from a week ago: "I had seen Divya's announcement, but planned to wait to add the withdrawal until the Hugo statistics are published after the award ceremony. I hadn't worried about the magazine credit, because I'm used to the fact that magazine awards frequently do not reflect the persons nominated due to our software." It definitely crossed my mind about whether I was jumping the gun on making those edits based on what an author said, as opposed to what the award body had publicly stated. If it had just been a regular single author record that had been declined, I wouldn't have changed anything; it was the magazine credit that concerned me. Given that was backed up by the author's statement, which mentioned both nominations, I made the (debatable, I'm more than happy to concede) decision to address both of them. Next time something like this comes up, I'll raise it here rather than making pre-emptive edits. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:19, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::::::::::No worries, I'm just a little hesitant since the notice of declination didn't come from the official source. I suspect there are other declined nominations that we don't know about. They all should be reported in the official nomination statistics that are released after the ceremony. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:08, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Contacting Kenneth R. Johnson ==<br />
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Can anyone tell me how? I found some vintage SF pornos that he should know about, and add to his bibliography, if he ever revises it. Thanks for any help. —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 14:34, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Never mind. Phil S-P helped me get in touch with him. —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 02:28, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Poem/Story ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5703635; If anyone's interested, I think it's a story, mod disagrees, hardly matters because it seems to be some squib from a much earlier play or something so if the link isn't added it wouldn't be much of a loss. I made a more helpful edit adding the Encyclopedia.com link I mentioned and also the archived jmichaelyates.com site, which goes back many years, because his site currently online is weird with many links going to an error page but other pages working just fine. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:36, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:[[User:Username|Username]] omitted one piece of important information. {{Locus}} lists this as a poem in their entry for {{P|34858|Tesseracts 8}} which contains the item. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:02, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yeah. Also, the Encyclopedia.com mention is in the discussion with mod on my user page, not in the rejection above. Just to clarify. A reply from anyone would be helpful so I can leave this minor edit behind; I've got 1,000 others waiting to be approved. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:27, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: The work is short fiction not poetry. I've added an internet archive link onto the author's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?116209 Summary Bibliography]. Open the site and select the short fiction tab. Open the drop down list on your left and you will see the story. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:33, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Yay. Also, RTrace, while I'm here I noticed you added some Star Trek slash fiction, Companion, and the cover artist is Gayle F. but it's signed Feyrer, who is on ISFDB as the cover artist for a later non-Trek magazine, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=gayle+f&type=Name. Whose name do you consider the parent so I can make a variant? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:40, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::OK, thanks John for finding that. I've approved the submission.<br />
:::::Regarding Gayle F./Gayle Feyrer, [https://fanlore.org/wiki/Gayle_F Fanlore] lists her as "Gayle F" which I suspect is how she is most frequently credited. It also appears that she also uses the pseudonym "Sylvia Knight", though we have no titles using that byline. In any case, I'd go with "Gayle F." as canonical. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:06, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::Feyrer has been made a variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:06, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Malcolm for President ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5704973 this submission] to update {{T|24965|this title}}. There is an Amazon review asserting that this is an original story, though based on characters from the television series, which would seem to make the novelization flag invalid. However, I'm not certain that this title is eligible at all. From skimming reviews, I don't detect anything speculative about the novel. I also would question whether the authors {{A|Dan Danko}} and {{A|Tom Mason}} are above the threshold. If we determine that they are, I think the title should be marked as non-genre. What are other folks' opinions on whether this title should be deleted? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:04, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I don't see anything genre or even genre-adjacent in the novel either. Nor I see a reason for the authors to be considered above threshold. So I vote to delete the book altogether. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:48, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Hearing nobody coming to this title's defense. I will zap it. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:43, 19 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Fright Night Covers ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?289979; [https://web.archive.org/web/20071008121652im_/http://www.craigspector.com/frightnight.cover.jpg]; So I have been doing some Skipp & Spector edits, the splatterpunk co-authors who were so popular back in the 80s and 90s, and I discovered that Craig Spector's homepage URL now links to some foreign (Vietnamese?) site so I replaced it with the archived version which goes all the way back to 2005. While looking through the site I found that cover linked above; the Tor edition on ISFDB shows the villain of the movie, the head vampire played by Chris Sarandon, but the cover on Spector's site shows a totally different cover with one of the villain's minions, the girlfriend of the movie's teenage hero, played by Amanda Bearse, who would become famous a few years later for playing Al Bundy's neighbor Marcy on Married With Children. So was it re-released with a different cover? Is it an early mock-up that was changed before release? I'd like to know if anyone knows. It could have been worse; they could have used another one of the villain's minions, the hero's friend Evil Ed, on the cover, played by Stephen Geoffreys, who gave up mainstream acting in the early 90s and pursued a career in hardcore gay porn. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:13, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Doubleday First Edition ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?266014; https://archive.org/search?query=clickwhistle; https://www.ebay.com/itm/153845632156; I replaced cover image with another Amazon one with a different URL that looks exactly the same but is much bigger. I wanted to add the Archive.org link but over time I've come to realize that a lot of Doubleday (and probably many other publishers) books I and others here have linked to may not have been the true first edition because, as can be seen in the links above, the 1 useful copy on eBay shows the copyright page with "First Edition" while the archived copy does not say that. So is there a way to tell which edition it is? Gutter codes or something? EDIT: Also this, https://archive.org/search?query=watkins+the-god-machine. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:58, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zebra ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?52948; I'm trying to get this page down to zero. What I've done today is add Kensington Publishing to publisher for 1987 edition of Time-Kissed Destiny because that's what it says on title page (also added author's note on last page); first edition of Once In a Lifetime already has Kensington in it on ISFDB. So ElectricStarboard, who entered the later editions of those 2 novels, may want to chime in with whether they have Kensington on their title pages so it can be added. That Warren Smith book is 70s "non-fiction" junk about space pyramids and should be deleted. I asked NihonJoe about whether his PV copy of Book of Space says Kensington and he put my edit on hold a long time ago but never responded so I cancelled it; if he reads this maybe he can say now what it says on title page. Dracula's Guest, which I just made an edit for fixing the cover artist (turns out it's not Greg Theakston but rather the mysterious FMA, who has about a dozen ISFDB credits), has 1 copy on eBay with photos but doesn't show title page. As far as Death Screen, I don't know, can't find it anywhere. So after my Time-Kissed edit is approved and Book of Space has Kensington added, I hope, and the pyramid book is deleted, that will just leave 4 books. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:51, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Joe just fixed Book of Space; only a few more to go. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:31, 26 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Geller the Artist ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=geller&type=Name; M. Geller is almost certainly Martin Geller because they did covers for a single St. Martin's Press book each, one in '78 and one in '79. However, the credit for Infinite Dreams by Martin says design, not art, so probably shouldn't have any credit except in notes. So should it be moved to notes and M.'s legal name be made Martin (this is assuming, of course, that M.'s credit really says art in the book like it says in the PV's notes)? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 02:14, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mary Shelley Award for Outstanding Fiction ==<br />
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I'd like to add this award to the ISFDB data base -- here is a list of past recipients https://media-ecology.org/Past-Awards (scroll down for Mary Shelley Award) [[User:PaulLev|PaulLev]] ([[User talk:PaulLev|talk]]) 20:27, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I am not familiar with Media Ecology Association, but their [https://media-ecology.org/board Executive Board] and the list of present/past officers include a number of scholars at accredited universities, so it appears to be legitimate. [https://media-ecology.org/Past-Awards Award recipients] include {{A|Ted Chiang}}, {{A|William Gibson}} and {{A|Ernest Cline}}. Curiously, they are associated with [https://media-ecology.org/affiliations The Institute of General Semantics] which was founded by Alfred Korzybski, who influenced a number of SF authors like van Vogt and Heinlein back in the day. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:23, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: I'm not sure a win for Ready Player One does much for their credibility /s {{unsigned|ErsatzCulture}}<br />
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::: I realize that it's a joke, but let me clarify for the benefit of new editors. We determine whether an award is legitimate based on what kind of organization administers it and for what purpose. Awards given by publishers or promotional/advertising companies to promote their clients' books and stories are generally not considered "real" awards for our purposes and are not included. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:07, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: Sorry - more than happy for that cheap gag to be removed/struckthrough/whatever, if you think that would be best. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 13:40, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: No worries, it created an opportunity to clarify our eligibility criteria. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:09, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: But seriously, this looks like a good addition to my eyes. I have a couple of questions relating to practicalities, which maybe PaulLev knows the answer to:<br />
:: * What exactly is the eligibility period? [https://media-ecology.org/Call-for-Nominations This page asking for 2024 nominations] says "Open to novels, short stories, hypertexts, plays, scripts, comics, audio recordings, motion pictures, videos, and other narrative forms, published or released in 2019 or later...", so is it a rolling 5-year period? (TBH, if that's the case, that's pretty cool - one of my problems with awards is that they're all seemingly based on the past 12 months, which privileges stuff that has a lot of hype and frontloaded readership.)<br />
:: * Besides that list of recipients, is there any sort of press release that has more details about the winners? I know when I've added stuff like this year's Locus finalists, when you get down to some of the more obscure categories where nominees weren't already in the database, tracking them down, working out if their pubs are eligible for inclusion here, etc can require a fair bit of legwork. If there's some info about the winners published, that would help in reducing that burden.<br />
:: * I looked up 2017's winner on [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Surveys-Novel-Semiotext-Native-Agents/dp/1584351780/ Amazon UK], and it doesn't appear to have any speculative element. For such works, I guess doing an "untitled award", with a note saying it's not speculative, is the way to go? (Again, any PR that describes the winning work will be helpful in determining the speculative-ness.) For awards like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_category.cgi?860+1 Goodreads Choice Mystery & Thriller category], we only add the speculative works, but given there's just a single winner here, maybe having an untitled entry will make it clearer?<br />
:: {{unsigned|ErsatzCulture}}<br />
::: Good questions! 1. Yes, the eligibility period is a rolling 5-years. 2. This announcement is put up on the Internet every year https://media-ecology.org/2023-MEA-Awards 3. The only criterion is "fiction" -- so, yes, in principle, there could be an award given to a work that is fiction, but not speculative fiction. But as far as I can tell, that happens very rarely. Also, the award is not given every year. [[User:PaulLev|PaulLev]] ([[User talk:PaulLev|talk]]) 13:10, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Hearing no objection, I have created an Award Type record and entered these awards for the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_category.cgi?1071+1 SF titles that we have on file]. I didn't create "untitled" award records for non-genre titles. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:55, 23 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Thanks! [[User:PaulLev|PaulLev]] ([[User talk:PaulLev|talk]]) 23:25, 24 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cordwainer Smith Rediscovery Award ==<br />
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Rich Horton [https://rrhorton.blogspot.com/2023/07/cordwainer-smith-rediscovery-award-for.html posted] about this year's winner, and I went to add them, only to find this award doesn't currently exist in the database. TBH it's one that I only had vague awareness of, but it does have [http://www.sfadb.com/Cordwainer_Smith_Rediscovery_Award SFADB] and [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/cordwainer_smith_rediscovery_award SFE] pages, and has been going for just over 20 years.<br />
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In essence, it's a single category award, just a winner, no nominees or finalists, and is to an author who the judges felt does/did not get as much attention as they deserved. Most of the past winners are names that I recognize, even if I think I've only read half-a-dozen or so of them. (Possibly the sort of scenario that the award was set up to address?)<br />
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[http://www.cordwainersmith.com/award.htm The award's site] lists who has been on the judging panel; again they're people I recognize and who are respected in the field. (Although it looks like that page hasn't been updated for a decade?) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 03:57, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I thought we already had an Award Type for this fairly well-known award, but apparently not. Must have been an oversight. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:51, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: I must confess all the less-well known awards named after people who were active years ago blur into one in my mind - the non-Astounding Campbell, Crawford, Crook, Wellman, this one - blur into one in my mind.<br />
:: If and when this gets set up, I'll add all the winners - should be pretty straightforward compared to the likes of Hugo and Locus. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 11:04, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Since this is a no-brainer, I have created an [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?109 Award Type record] for it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:16, 19 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: Thanks - unless someone else beats me to it, I'll probably add all the winners on Saturday. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 12:01, 19 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::: A day later than I'd promised, but these are all in now. Thanks again for adding it. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:02, 23 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:27, 23 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Alex Gordon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?6359; The essays are by this person, https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0329966/, but they may not be eligible since he usually wrote about old movies in his long-running column for Fangoria. If they are eligible, some variant is needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:43, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Watson Bon-Bon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=de+bon-bon&type=All+Titles; Copy of BBR #11 just uploaded, I made an edit adding link and adding/fixing other stuff, this Watson work was in French originally and reprinted in English in this zine, never collected, but as can be seen capitalization, subtitle, and whether it's fiction or essay are issues. So it's for someone else to decide what's best re: those things. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:20, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Fake Ring ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=ring00pier&sort=-addeddate; While adding links to 2 copies of Piers Anthony's 1968 Ace edition of The Ring I found a 3rd copy on Open Library but it's actually a completely different thing, a sampler of some T. A. Barron books, in case anyone thinks that's worth entering. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:30, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Canonical name change Willard E. Hawkins from Willard Hawkins ==<br />
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Any objections to making [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?13700 Willard E. Hawkins] the canonical name and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?13701 Willard Hawkins] the alternate? <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] ([[User talk:Scifibones|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Scifibones|contribs]]) .</small> 05:38, 19 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: No objections here. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:09, 19 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Hearing no objections, the relationship has been reversed. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:00, 25 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Chiller ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?961199; Someone named Aardvark entered this recently. I knew I'd seen that cover art before on one of Karl Edward Wagner's horror anthologies and I had, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1435921. So it apparently originated here, not the French book. Also, I saw on OL that Chiller is "based on" a 1972 novel by Sale, The Love Bite, whatever that means. Maybe that one belongs here, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:16, 19 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cover Artist: Ampersand Book Covers ==<br />
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We currently have a cover artist named [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?306339 Ampersand Book Covers]. I just found the website for that artist and was going to add it to the existing Author record but noticed that the [http://www.ampersandbookcovers.com/ website] shows the name as "Ampersand Book Cover Design". So far the only titles that are credited to this artist use "Ampersand Book Covers" as per the statements on their copyright pages. I have several new titles that are by this artist (not credited but definitely by this artist per the website portfolio page) and wonder if I should just use the existing artist after adding the website data and a note about the full name to the existing artist record or if I should use the full name from the website and make it a variant of the existing artist record. Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:20, 19 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I would credit 'Ampersand Book Covers' and a note in the canonical record. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:54, 20 July 2023 (EDT).<br />
: P.S. The pub still gets a note stating that the artist is uncredited. I 'm aware you know this already, but less experienced editors might be following this thread. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:39, 20 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Will do. Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:31, 20 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Green Knight ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15963; Philfreund, Chavey, GlennMcG, letting you all know LCCN isn't on their site, should be removed and put in notes section. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:04, 19 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The LOC site isn't always reliable for older LCCNs. It's likely still valid, just difficult to find. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:05, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Swedish Vampires ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5720694; After approval I'm sure those who are fluent in the language can improve upon my edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:52, 20 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Hound of Frankenstein ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?284512; I'm not sure why I added that ponderous link re: the prices in the note a long time ago because the back cover is on FantLab, but anyway, while adding a link today to FantLab and replacing cover with theirs I noticed there's no "The" on title page but there is in the first Mammoth Book of Frankenstein edition which I checked via the archived link. So if anyone can verify there's a "The" in all editions of that anthology then the story title should be separated and made a variant of the original title. Also, someone added full date to chapbook from Amazon UK but I don't know if anyone trusts them enough to add it to the story itself. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:08, 20 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== George Wells ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?24739; I've been doing a lot of edits for old Arthur Stockwell books (there's a huge gap between the last older book and the recent ones) and came upon George Wells. As someone wrote, there may be more than one; I suspect it's 4 different guys since it's not likely a very obscure British author would write an article for an American pulp zine 25 years later and it's also not likely that the author of a cheap paperback horror novel would write a couple of stories for a semi-literary anthology series more than 20 years later. Also, cover of Taurus on Amazon has $2.95 on the cover so either the price on ISFDB, $2.50, is wrong or there's at least one reprint. EDIT: 1 copy of Taurus on eBay, it's Canadian thus the higher $2.95 price, like DAW Books in the 1980s Signet Canadian editions start number line with 2, glad someone wrote a note about that in another 1982 Canadian Signet book on ISFDB otherwise I would have entered it as a second printing. Should be approved soon; hopefully someone will upload a copy of this book to Archive.org someday. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:56, 20 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I noticed this morning that another editor has separated old novel & article, '82 horror novel, and recent short stories into 3 separate Wells. While looking into this I discovered there's a George O. Wells but searching for his story title inside Archive.org I discovered it's George R. Wells, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5721607, so that's a bonus. There's also a G. A. Wells that wrote a story for a 1923 issue of Weird Tales the same year that a George Wells wrote the novel from Stockwell so could that be the same person? A lot of Brits wrote stories for that zine. EDIT: Jeez, it turns out the other entry in that zine with George R. Wells is wrong, too, it's Inside of a Piece of Sugar. There's nearly 100 issues of Science and Invention on ISFDB and I doubt I came across the 1 issue with wrong names/titles so a thorough check is probably needed. EDIT: Fixed this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3036272, quotes around Loaded. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:13, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Raw Brunettes ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1256247; Wild Women pub. history, searched on Google Books, says "first two sections" so that one should have (excerpt) after it and be separated from its full appearance in the Wordcraft book. I've been doing a lot of Wordcraft edits and their Speculative Writers series numbering is a mess, whether their fault or editors here I'm not sure, so that will probably need some discussion later on. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:19, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Paksenarrion World Chronicles ==<br />
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With the publication (and entry) of Elizabeth Moon's new collection [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3209577 Deeds of Youth], I have created a new series named [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?70445 Paksenarrion World Chronicles]. Would there be any objection to placing the older collection [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1856054 Deeds of Honor] in it as number 1? I'd also like to remove the series name in the title and the cover artist (who's actually credited as the cover designer) from [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?520995 this publication] which was sole PVed by the late Biomassbob. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:32, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:That would be fine. Please move the cover designer to the pub notes vs. completely removing. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:38, 23 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wrong Author and Their Variant ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5722391; I was going through Eerie, Indiana book series, got through first 4 before #5 only had a 3rd printing on Archive.org and I lost interest, but all of them (and I suspect the others, too) have a lot of missing/wrong info. Only 1 of the 4 was PV (O'Fearna) but 1 of the non-PV had a co-author who didn't co-write it. So now that I removed Mike Ford will the record for the book with his other name, Michael Thomas Ford, go away or does it have to be deleted or something? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:12, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The proper way to deal with the parent is with a merge. I took care of it for you. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:36, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bond, Stephen Bond ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5722846; Only 5 issues, none PV, all on Archive.org, figured I'd add links and a few minor things and that would be it, but of course I ran into trouble with the first issue (by the way, is the page count I entered correct?) because the Flying Saucer essay is by Stephen Lloyd, not Stephen Bond, but it is by Bond in the Fantastic Universe issue it originally appeared in. There's also the fact that a 2022 novel by a Stephen Lloyd was recently entered here so there goes that name. What would you like to be done? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:28, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I accepted the edit. Yes, that page count was correct - for magazines we include the covers in the page count. As for the essay, I will unmerge it, credit it to a Stephen Lloyd (I), variant to the original, and create a new alternate name. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:33, 23 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::3rd issue had alternate title of Kapp's story so I imported that and deleted the wrong title. This, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?327861, has no alternate title but checking UK New Worlds on Luminist.org it's "The High Road" but it's "High Road" in US issue. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?44455; it's "Waiting Grounds" in US issue, a title that apparently is not used anywhere else. EDIT: #5 seems OK so I think I'm done. I currently have 7 New Worlds edits plus 1 changing alternate title date of Kapp's story to match where it first appeared (more than 50 years earlier). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:30, 23 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Chaos Weapon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?9236; I added Archive.org link to 1977 US PB in PENDING edit, as note says it's DiFate on copyright page, no space, but credit here is for Di Fate. Correct name was entered here for the 2 1984 editions so 2 1977 editions (and French edition) should probably be the same; DiFate has dozens of credits here already. I count half-a-dozen active PV of this edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:18, 23 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== PSP ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5722877; Is there any word on whether Phil Stephensen-Payne is going to update to https? Because there are tens of thousands of images on ISFDB from his various sites. It's not exactly true that they don't display here, they do if you right-click and choose "Open image in new tab", but still. I just added an edit to his page here adding a link to a search engine at pulpflakes.com, chose Braunbeck at random and search engine immediately opened a new tab with the philsp.com record for Gary Braunbeck. This search engine IS https; come on, Mr. Payne, do the right thing and update your sites. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:13, 23 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ted Koppel ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?161708; I remember adding to this page a long time ago, photo and possibly bio info, but as I came across the name just now while looking at Phil Stephensen-Payne's record I wonder if the famous newsman is the right Koppel. He was born in England but moved to America long before the 2001 UK edition of this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1275674, where a Ted Koppel was co-author. Could there be a bio in the Harness work? Anyone own a copy? I assume if there is a different SF-related Koppel the 1979 essay in Starship would be by the same guy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:38, 23 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ingalls With Dirty Faces ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5724110; I was doing a whole mess of Rachel Ingalls edits and the very last one gave me trouble; is it just me or does anyone else see the replacement cover with black smudges on it? It doesn't look like the cover does on SFE. Amazon and SFE covers look pretty much the same so no real reason to replace it, anyway, I'd just like to know if I'm seeing things. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:58, 24 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Rage By FMA ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?166329; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?269444; I mentioned this cover artist in my Zebra message above, FMA did covers for paperbacks in the 1970s, today while adding a link to an article about Stephen King's 1977 Richard Bachman novel Rage on the Fox News (!) website I noticed the spine (which isn't shown in the cover on ISFDB) had something that looked like a signature and it turned out it's FMA. I can't find a single mention anywhere online but I find it hard to believe a rank amateur like myself discovered something like this so if anyone can point to somewhere that mentions it I'd appreciate it. In the meantime I've made an edit adding cover artist to Rage; there's also a later British NEL PB on ISFDB with different cover art so maybe someone here can identify that artist, too. Identifying FMA would also be great. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:07, 24 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== German J. Kirby ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?576053; Kirby died in 2001, this book is 2004, could be that the cover is re-used from some earlier English book, anyone recognize it so variant can be made? EDIT: I managed to figure this one out, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5724820, took a bit of looking because German cover here is the size of a postage stamp. I also did this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5724821. There are others which need more looking into, a Piper 7th printing with no cover and a German Good Omens cover which has 3 editions that credit Kirby but none of the English editions credit him (?); on the plus side, I saw an OL-only copy of the Berkley edition of Good Omens so I added a link to that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:54, 25 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:I'm slowly working through the German editions and printings of Pratchett when i get a hand on them and with that Josh Kirby's artwork. I'll merge or variant them, whenever i can. Sometimes not easy, sometimes the german publisher used cutouts, even from english backcovers. <br />
:Here's an example where i couldn't find an english pub with the same picture yet [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5725049 Omnibus "Gevatter Tod/Wachen Wachen"]. So far i only found it on an 2001 Discworld wall calendar, which isn't listed here.<br />
:This might also be the case with the german "Good Omens" covers, maybe it comes from a calendar or portfolio but was never used for an english edition.<br />
:[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5724820 This one] i have, i'd love to contribute a better image, but it's so shiny that scanning isn't possible, even a photo is tricky. Maybe some day when i figured out how to make a useable image. [[User:Welo|Welo]] ([[User talk:Welo|talk]]) 04:17, 26 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== New yellow warning for conflicting submissions ==<br />
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{{FR|1453}}, "New yellow warning for conflicting submissions", has been implemented. Post-submission review pages for Edit Record submissions have been updated to display yellow warnings if the currently displayed submission overlaps/conflicts with another Edit Record submission.<br />
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Please note that the new warning won't be displayed when there is a conflict between an EditPub submission and a related EditTitle submission, at least for now. This is due to performance issues, but it may be possible to address them in the future. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:27, 25 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Out of the Unknown ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?34126; None of the notes in the various editions really mention "Second Edition" on copyright page so someone more familiar with the history maybe can tell me which record this copy, https://archive.org/search?query=%22out+of+the+unknown%22+fantasy, belongs to so I can add a link to it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:59, 25 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== John Gregory ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?START=0&TYPE=Title&USE_1=author_canonical&O_1=exact&TERM_1=John%20Gregory&ORDERBY=title_title&C=AND]; Old pulp story and 70s SF novel aren't by the same John Gregory. Also, I made an edit adding OL ID to the novel and noting the bizarre situation where OL link to Archive.org leads to a Shakespeare book; searching for novel's title displays all of these, [https://archive.org/search?query=legacy-of-the-stars&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22]. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:13, 26 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Parker Poltergeist ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?860463; I was going to add something to the Parker edition's publisher name to differ it from the 40-years-later Parker but really it probably shouldn't be here, being "true" paranormal junk by an author below the threshold whose only relevant credits are some cover art many years later. Ace edition has 2 PV, one gone, one active but transient. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:06, 26 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== "Next Submission" link for self-approvers ==<br />
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Self-approvers now have access to the same "Next Submission" link that moderators have on post-submission review and post-approval pages. The difference is that the self-approvers' version of the "Next Submission" link takes them to the next submission created by themselves. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:19, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Looking for an old story ==<br />
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G'day,<br />
Does anybody know of any sites or forums that could help me find an old short story?<br />
Cheers. {{unsigned|Nailgun Johnny}}<br />
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: We have compiled a list of resources that may help identify stories and novels. It's listed in the [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#I_need_help_finding_a_book FAQ], but it's short enough to re-post it here:<br />
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:*[https://community.abebooks.com/s/forum-topic-results?language=en_US&topicId=0TO3n0000003yS1GAI&type=Community%20Forum Book Sleuth] on AbeBooks<br />
:*[https://www.reddit.com/r/printSF/ printSF] subreddit on Reddit<br />
:*[https://groups.google.com/g/rec.arts.sf.written?pli=1 rec.arts.sf.written] newsgroup<br />
:*[https://www.reddit.com/r/tipofmytongue/ Tip of My Tongue]<br />
:*[https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/185-what-s-the-name-of-that-book What's the Name of That Book???] on Goodreads<br />
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: HTH! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:32, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Or you could just give a description of the story here and let us try to figure it out. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 07:56, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Award display enhancement ==<br />
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Award records which have Notes associated with them now display a mouse-over bubble with the Notes text, e.g. see the "Awards" section of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2859162 this Title bibliography page]. The presence of mouse-over information is indicated by the &#x24d8; character, which is the same character that we use in the "Other Titles" section to indicate the presence of Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:20, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks for picking this up after I dropped the ball somewhat. One bug I just noticed: templates don't seem to be rendered in the bubble.<br />
: e.g. if you go to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ay.cgi?23+2023 this year's Hugos], and scroll down to Best Series, the text is rendered as { { S|Seriesname } }. I've a feeling the rendered link might be impossible for a user to click on - as the bubble disappears if you mouseover it, although maybe keyboard navigation could get to it? - so perhaps if that just rendered as ordinary HTML text, that'd be sufficent? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 10:24, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks for reporting the problem. Oddly enough, the "Other Titles" section renders bubbles correctly even though it uses the same code. Let me poke around... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:14, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: And fixed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:58, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Barzman Twinkle ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?20160; I just added 2 links in a PENDING edit to Archive.org copies of the Book Club edition, 1 from 2010, 1 from just a few weeks ago. Title has no commas on cover seen many places online, two commas on ISFDB, 1 comma on title page. I can only find club copies online so if anyone has/can find non-club copy and it only has 1 comma then all titles, regular, both editions, cover art, can be fixed to just one comma. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:56, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Helen Chen ==<br />
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https://fantlab.ru/art34256; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5727128; Someone familiar with Chinese name standardization can decide whether Mingjue is her legal name and needs to be added or whatever after my edit is approved. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:39, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== French Reeves-Stevens ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5727232; As usual when I make a rare attempt to enter a foreign edition I'm sure some improvements can be made after approval. I'll just mention that NooSFere calls artist Kopik and ISFDB has 4 credits for that name but it also has 1 for Copik so someone who knows can decide on parent and variant, although partial signature starts with C so that seems to be the real name. Also, what does that phrase on the back mean, Maquette Vaporetto? Online check seems to imply it means "steamboat sketch" but that can't be right. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:49, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Greg Reeves ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5727251; I don't think this is by Garfield Reeves-Stevens. Nothing about the opening pages in Amazon Look Inside matches anything in the 2 copies of Dark Matter by Reeves-Stevens on Archive.org. Maybe this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2563054, is really by Reeves-Stevens or maybe not. The novel, however, should be separated into a different author, I think. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:00, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== 'Publications not in a Publication Series' pages updated ==<br />
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As per {{FR|952}}, 'Show covers' and 'Show Last Year First' are now available on all 'Publications not in a Publication Series' pages. Please let me know if you run into any issues with pages like https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?17013 . [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:46, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bonvissuto ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=bonvis&type=Name; I added Goodreads page (with photo) and middle name to Stephanie, added IMDB page (with 1 credit) to Steven A., and made Steve a variant of Steven A., but that S. is a mystery. No info online for the 2 story titles except the usual Locus/Philsp pages, might be Steve(n) or Stephanie, if anyone ever finds out they can make a variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:29, 29 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bebeto ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=bebeto&type=Name; They're both wrong, I think, first record should be Bebeto DarOZ, not Bebeto Dar0Z, and the other one should be the same. Publisher who PV one of them has been gone for years so no use asking; artist has a YouTube channel as Bebeto DarOZ. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:52, 29 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Merlins ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?62818; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5728318; I think that very old Merlin record with missing/wrong info can be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:22, 30 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== New yellow warning when a changed Publication date is before one of the Title dates ==<br />
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Post-submission review pages for Edit Publication submissions have been modified. If an EditPub submission changes the publication's date and the resulting date would be prior to one (or more) of the Title dates in the Contents section, the review page will display a yellow warning with a list of affected titles.<br />
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Please note that, at this time, the warning is only displayed for Edit Publication submissions. NewPubs, AddPubs and ClonePubs are currently not affected. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:50, 31 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I Purposely triggered one, very nice addition. Thanks [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:11, 31 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Glad to hear it's useful!<br />
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:: I believe this wraps up the software changes requested in April-July. Due to a number of reasons -- including the fact that Microsoft plans to stop security patches for Windows 10 in 2025 and the current version of Fixer requires Windows 10 -- I plan to concentrate on migrating Fixer to Linux, Python and MySQL as the next big project. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:27, 2 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Taurus Canada ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5721363; Am I right that like a lot of PB publishers in the 1980s, DAW Books for example, Canadian Signet editions' number lines start with 2? In other words, this is not a second printing and should be un-rejected? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:12, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Warlock of Firetop Mountain ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5730397; Some issues with this. As can be seen on the back cover, the artist is Peter Andrew Jones, not Peter Jones. Also, there's only 2 foreign editions on ISFDB that actually include the 21 numbered pages in the page count. Also, the Archive.org copy (the only FF book on the uploader's page) is messy but I think the first page would be 13-14 and the last would be 99-100 of which one of those last pages is not part of the game book, so 13-99 x 2 would be 174 pages, not 170. So if anyone owns/can get a look at the very first Puffin original edition and it says Peter Andrew Jones that would entail a bit of a nightmare because a lot of the later editions from various publishers would need to be checked to make sure they actually said Peter Jones or if they really say the full name and editors here just imported the original edition's (incorrect) artist name. First edition would also need checking to see if those first 21 pages are numbered and a manual page count would be needed to determine how many unnumbered pages there are. The artist issue arose because whoever entered the name got it from an art book and not the actual book itself, a problem which has led to many names being wrong here, of which I suspect there are many more in the FF series that will need fixing. Fun times ahead; there are hundreds of archived copies of these books. On a side note, I entered a whole bunch of fantasy illustrator photos a while back including Steve Jackson (this one and the other one from the USA who also did FF books and just coincidentally had the same name) but apparently Ian Livingstone escaped me because he has no photo so if anyone can find a good one then they can add it to his record. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:56, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: My recollection is that he was always credited as "Peter Andrew Jones" on these, and I was surprised when I saw that "Peter Jones" was recorded here as his primary name. Fighting Fantasy is pretty well documented, so it shouldn't be hard to verify this - somewhere I have a copy of [https://www.amazon.co.uk/You-Hero-Snowbooks-Fantasy-Histories/dp/1909679364 You Are The Hero] which covers this stuff, in addition to all the online references.<br />
: As for Ian Livingstone, there are loads of photos of him around, as he's pretty high profile in the UK, like [https://www.gamesindustry.biz/what-developers-can-learn-from-last-nights-the-apprentice appearing on our version of The Apprentice]. The [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Livingstone#/media/File:Ian_Livingstone.jpg Wikipedia photo] is CC BY-SA 2.0 licensed, so I assume that can be used if nothing better is found. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:19, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I decided to look at #2 in the series, The Citadel of Chaos, and added a link to a nasty raggedy copy of some Puffin edition which has no way to tell what printing it is because a bunch of pages are missing from the front (I just added link to title record), also added a link to another Puffin printing which some mysterious PV named PortofHamburg added not too long ago but he/she didn't specify the printing history so I made a best guess and added the link to that record, and also corrected page count for recent Scholastic edition from 232 to 236 using a later printing on Archive.org. So if just 2 books have so much to do there are dozens more waiting. Not to mention the umpteen Wizard reprints which I'm not even going to touch, although I may have added a few links to some of them long ago, hard to remember. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:07, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Gentlewomen of Evil ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5730762; Recent copy has a totally different back cover; possible reprint? Copyright page looks the same to me in both copies. Also, recent copy has a penciled-in date on the front flap and, just maybe, the bottom of the price barely visible above it, which contradicts the note someone wrote here which says there's no price in the book; someone else obviously got it from somewhere. So a little mystery here that someone may be able to figure out. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:25, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Night SHADOWS by Mary SELLERS ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?963498; RTrace just entered this, I wasted my time tracking down the ID on BookScans and adding cover image, ISBN, and price, only for the software to tell me the URL was already on file because Rosab618 entered the book back in May but spelled the name wrong, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?949221, which is probably why RTrace couldn't find it and thought it was an unentered book. So I've cancelled my edit; the recent one should probably be deleted, Reginald ID moved over, last name corrected, and ISBN that's on top of the cover should be entered. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:02, 2 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I've essentially merged the two publication records. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:52, 2 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Great. I also replaced Cat's Amazon cover with BookScans cover which is the same except bigger, added Goodreads ID to Bayou (they call her May, not Mary) and uploaded their cover which doesn't seem to be anywhere else, and just added archived link to Gambler, which was uploaded in March. I also learned from Gambler's dedication that she's the wife of Con Sellers so I added husband/wife A| links to both of them. I also see in Con Sellers papers at USM (which mentions he married Mary Raineri in 1943) that they include most of Mary's book titles so maybe he co-wrote them without credit? EDIT: Shouldn't ISBN be added to Night Shadows? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:17, 2 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== No One Goes There Now ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5731000; As can be seen at the Archive.org links the real cover is totally different but no image can be found on Amazon, SFE, OL, FantLab, etc., so if someone wants to upload it from somewhere. Also, author's name is William Walling on title page so variant is wrong. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:52, 2 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Submission approved, author credit corrected and cover image replaced. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:41, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ralph Blum ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1794382; I added Archive.org link to UK HC of Blum's novel; there's no reason for that non-fiction book to be here because author is not "above the threshold" and book is just New Age nonsense about runes, one of many the author has written. So delete and keep the review? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:38, 2 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: If the publication is deleted as ineligible, you must remove this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?965478 REVIEW title] from [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?220685 this publication] and delete it. Then you add an ESSAY type title for the review. For example, 'Review of "The Book of Runes" by Ralph Blum' and the reviewer Paulette Minaré is the author. Often, you will see the reason an essay title is appropriate in the title. Review of the non-genre book, review of the film, etc. I suggest you allow a week for any objections. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:30, 2 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: I have deleted the one publication but do think it's best to keep the title (I've added a note): this way we don't have to undergo the change of the publication with the review. Also, we already have some only titles that way (also for awards). <br />
:: But if you think it's better to emphasize the change, that'd also be okay. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:39, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: [[User:Username|Username]]: Since it has been a week and [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] has deleted the publication, go ahead and submit the four edits I outlined above. I'll approve when I see them.<br />
::: [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]]: We have no policy provision for creating title records for ineligible publications. I'm surprised you would suggest this in a thread where I'm advising the proper treatment. Not only are you misleading this editor, but all the others who monitor the boards. If you think your method has merit, start a discussion on Rules and Standards. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:36, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dating Bentley Little ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?593285; What should title date of Evil Deeds be? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:17, 3 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: If you are referring to this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?577269 title record], the date of its first appearance. 1994-05-00. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:53, 3 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mike Turner disambiguation ==<br />
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I don't "do" SFnal stuff on Facebook, but I do search for mentions of ISFDB every now and again. If there is anyone is active on FB, they might want to follow-up [https://www.facebook.com/groups/642644559492671/posts/1698367847253665/?comment_id=1698375807252869 this comment] that indicates the current Mike Turner record conflates 2 or more people. As a stopgap, I've added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?81225 an author note] to raise awareness of the issue. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:37, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== IA's Worlds of Science Fiction ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5733923; PV is gone, LCCN links up to a couple of other Asimov works on LoC, cover art not credited but likely from some issue of Asimov's magazine, so if anyone knows where it came from or what to do with the LCCN. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:18, 5 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I found https://lccn.loc.gov/81101251. Since the printed LCCN is live, I left it, added this one as a second LCCN ID, and added a note about what we see printed in the archive.org copy and what we find on the LOC site today. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 06:50, 7 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Altered Ego ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5734917; It's been 13 years so nobody's rushing to replace that ragged copy; if anyone here owns it and can upload it to Archive.org so there's a complete copy that would be good, although not strictly necessary because there's an HC edition archived in 2020, too. I see a lot of Pennant copies on eBay so I don't think it's very rare. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:02, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== International Polygonics LCCN ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?180301; I just entered this publisher's edition of William O'Farrell's 1942 novel Repeat Performance and only afterwards saw LCCN on copyright page is not on LoC site; I didn't go back and remove it and add a note about it because going back sometimes erases info. I checked the dozen or so other books by the publisher on ISFDB and 1 LCCN was entered and is on their site, 1 was entered in notes as not being on their site, and the one linked above is not on their site but the previous book in the series, Nine Times Nine, is in an International Polygonics edition but hasn't been entered here (yet). 2 PV, one transient and one who has no messages on their board, so should LCCN be removed and moved to notes? Also, can someone approve my edit so I can remove and move, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:48, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Permabooks Problems ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?8005; I added an Archive.org link to Moon Pilot and noticed while it says it was originally published as Starfire in December ISFDB note gives it the date of the printing, October. Also, https://www.garysvintagebooks.com/product-page/son-of-flubber-by-walt-disney, where date is March with printing in January but ISFDB note has no month and note surmises that it was published in May or June because it comes between 2 other books with surrounding catalog numbers but likely months are wrong because some editors entered the printing date instead of the publication date. There's only 40+ Permabooks on ISFDB so this shouldn't be too hard to sort out. At least 2 active PV of Starfire, Rudam and Willem, so they may want to fix their month if that's the right thing to do. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:32, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Courtney and Triffids ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=triffids+ballantine&sort=-addeddate; Third printing (not on ISFDB) says R. Courtney on copyright page; not credited in Fawcett editions but PV of 1986 Del Rey 1st printing, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?902545, decided to just make the name the canonical name, which is wrong because it's credited as R., so I think it should be changed to R. for all editions and made a variant of Richard. Also, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?356604, where all 3 are based on signatures only (all entered by me last December), so what to do with those? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:53, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ghouls ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5735718; Invalid ISBN which does get a hit on LoC and a few sites online, so a look at that would be good by whoever approves this edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:17, 7 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Tilley ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?4506; Dark Corners was on Archive.org so I added a link and then discovered the title and several story titles/dates were also wrong so I fixed everything, I think; I also imported 4 stories into Something Else because even though someone wrote a note about titles being on WorldCat they only imported a few of them. Now here's the problem: "Medical Practice" is listed as the only new story but there's another one, "Attack of the Hiccups", which is not on ISFDB or anywhere else I can find. So if someone knows/owns/can find out that would help to complete the contents. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:55, 7 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Tarth? ==<br />
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https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/dail_c_c; Just a little something I came across that someone here with connections to SFE may be able to get fixed. The last word in the title on the cover has a trailing bottom line and a middle thing that is not on the A's in "Savage" so it does say "Earth" on the cover, just printed in a fancy way. Note about "Tarth" should be changed to "Earth". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:09, 8 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:You can send feedback [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/contact.php using this form]. They're pretty responsive. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:45, 8 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Done. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:26, 8 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Wow, John Clute ("An interesting and informative exchange. The cover script is certainly eccentric, but the standard typeface announcing Chapter 22 carries the day") and David Langford ("Thanks for this suggestion. It's an interesting theory but I'm not convinced. The flourishes belong to the A in Tarth and the first letter is thus surely a T. This is confirmed in the book's text, where chapter XXII is titled in clear capitals THE SAVAGE TARTHS -- MAN'S PROGENITORS") responded in an e-mail. I see their point; Tarths are a race of beings in the book. Oh well. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:43, 14 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== W. P. Maynard ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2449000; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1133886; Different titles, different names, in case anyone can verify anything and merge or variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:56, 8 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: It's sorted out now. Good find, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:33, 8 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dredd ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?4530; I added Archive.org links to both editions, copyright page of USA says UK came first but ISFDB has UK as second, also UK cover is actually same image as USA except with Boxtree on it, so if anyone knows where that yellow UK cover really belongs or what the real dates of the editions are let us know so they can be fixed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:34, 10 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Canadian Sheep Look Up ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5738856; Before I leave a message to PV of this edition here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30229, asking him to fix publisher and add month from their note, whose price is right? If it's printed in Canada then Canadian price should be correct, right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:48, 11 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Angels Inc. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5739007; The only photos of the actual print book I can find are on a horrible Amazon page with the smallest (100x100) photos possible; https://www.amazon.com/N-G-L-S-Robert-Author-Bliss/dp/0072298235. If anyone can find some site with properly-sized photos then the cover can be uploaded. I'm wondering why McGraw-Hill didn't publish any genre books between 1990 and 1998 according to ISFDB and then published a weirdly priced paperback like this; another odd thing is that of the 120 other books by them on ISFDB there's only one other PB, a David Hartwell anthology, but other books with the same price are classed as TP, so that might need to be changed to TP, too, and also possibly this Bliss book. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:35, 11 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Boak ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=boak&type=Name; I entered an artist named Kathy Boake for some kiddie books and while doing so noticed that these people, A. Graham Boak/Graham Boak/Gray Boak, are one and the same. So if anyone can decide what the parent name should be those can all be linked together. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:29, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== ISFDB server downtime 2023-08-12 6pm ==<br />
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The ISFDB server will be briefly unavailable due to maintenance starting at 6pm server (Eastern Daylight) time. It should be back up after 5-10 minutes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:12, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The server was back up at 6:12pm. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:18, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Brunner and Stuff ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?121; After adding many, many links to John Brunner books over the last few days I was finishing up when I noticed that there are 2 items on his page listed as anthologies that are just 2-novel doubles like the hundred or so other ones listed as omnibus. As can be seen at the link above, some of those Belmont Doubles are anthology, some omnibus, and some collection. So should those 2 Brunner anthologies be changed to omnibus and what should be the standard for the Belmonts? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:30, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:See [[:Template:PublicationFields:PubType]] for all the details, but for the cases at your link:<br />
:*Multiple short fiction by same author = collection<br />
:*Multiple short fiction by different authors = anthology<br />
:*Multiple novels = omnibus<br />
:The Brunner entries ({{T|683465|Father of Lies / Mirror Image}} & {{T|358551|The Evil That Men Do / The Purloined Planet}}) both consist of two novellas by different authors and so are correctly entered as anthologies. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:58, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Request for messages from international fans by a Chinese Hugo finalist - any interest in an ISFDB contribution? ==<br />
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This came up on [https://twitter.com/xuetingni/status/1690044002404380680 Twitter] a couple of days ago - the Chinese fan who uses the handle [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?366178 RiverFlow/河流] is planning an issue of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?70342 his fanzine Zero-G SF] which will have hand-written messages from fans around the world. There are some examples of what they've already received at the bottom of [https://www.gcores.com/articles/169458 this Chinese language webpage].<br />
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I don't participate in any sort of offline or real-world fandom, but I wondered if there'd be interest in some sort of ISFDB contribution? I was thinking of maybe a general "Hello from ISFDB" message - precise wording to be worked here on Community Portal - with some sort of collage/grid of short handwritten individual messages from ISFDB contributors. For the latter, I was thinking maybe stuff that might fit on a square-shaped Post It note e.g.:<br />
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* Your username at ISFDB<br />
* Your location(s) - city, state, country as appropriate, basically the sort of thing that gets put in author birthplace entries<br />
* Date you signed it<br />
* Possibly a short personalized message<br />
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I don't think this would be worth doing unless we have at least half-a-dozen individual contributions, preferably a dozen or more. Any interest? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 09:39, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The Twitter post says:<br />
:* If you want to send a signed, dated handwritten note in any language from anywhere in the world (but espclly Europe), wishing them well and supporting the project, email me at [snip]<br />
: I am not sure what the "project" in question is, but the ISFDB -- as an organization/project -- generally does not endorse or support other projects. We can and do ''link'' to other sites, from Wikipedia to SFE, but that doesn't mean that we support them as institutions.<br />
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: Of course, ISFDB editors -- individually or in groups -- are free to contribute to and/or support any projects they want as long as they do it as individuals.<br />
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: Based on the above, I would change "Hello from ISFDB" to "Hello from the following ISFDB editors". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:32, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Sorry for overstepping the mark. If anyone's interested in contributing to this, maybe a better venue is to email me at {anythingyoulike}@ersatzculture.com, and discuss it further there. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:09, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: No worries! The Community Portal is the best place to post announcements and it's entirely possible that some editors may want to write one or more postcards. It's all good. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:08, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ché Monro ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?367447; My old edit fixing name was finally approved and then I discovered there's 2 other records for this author, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?210757 and https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?365512, which have the same story, published within a month of each other by the same publisher, but the first name has the accent in a different place and has the ISFDB "question mark" thing after it. So 3 names, 1 story each, parent needs deciding and that 2012 story needs merging. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:47, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Sorted out. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:46, 19 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Gordon Browne ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?14029; Story likely by another guy; this page, https://www.blackgate.com/2015/11/07/fantastic-january-1962-a-retro-review/, slags off our site about it, so maybe a (I) or something should be added to author's name. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:13, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Separated out. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:48, 19 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mr. Wright ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?231886; Non-fiction should probably be by Allan Wright; Alan was an old-time illustrator. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:16, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Separated them out. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:36, 19 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Turkish Blatty ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=seytan+blatty; A Turkish (!) edition of The Exorcist got uploaded recently in case anyone fluent wants to enter it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:01, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pulphouse Dates ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?60072; Date for Landis and Frazier stories, both included in September 1991's The Best of Pulphouse, is 1991 and they are called reprints but the only entry for Issue Twelve on ISFDB is dated 1993. William F. Wu's bibliography, https://www.williamfwu.com/complete-list-of-short-fiction, has a confusing double listing for Issue Twelve, one in 1991 edited by K.K. Rusch and the other in 1993 edited by D.W. Smith, but ISFDB has them both as 1993 in Issue Twelve edited by K.K. Rusch. So I think all the original stories in Issue Twelve should really be dated 1991 unless there's something odd that I don't see. On a side note, a site named Anna's Archive uploaded several issues (#2-10 + Buried Treasures) of Pulphouse: The Hardback Magazine as PDF's. Authorized or not, they are there for research purposes in case anyone needs them; getting a real print copy of any of them is next to impossible because they were limited editions and most were bought up by collectors, so not exactly something you can find at your local library. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:51, 14 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jane Wagner(s) ? ==<br />
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I do assume that there are two different Jane Wagners' works listed under [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?185286], some by the dramaturgist & script writer, the others by a fan. Would anybody know that the two are in fact one and the same person (else, it'd be better to separate the two)? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:27, 15 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Living Dead Head ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5742916; A foreign-language book I came across, as usual fluent people can probably improve after approval. One of the links I provided includes contents page in case anyone can decipher the small story titles and enter them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:49, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Far Out ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5743690; I was going to delete the intro because it's not in the archived copy but then I noticed that the first story starts on p. 13 but there are much fewer than 12 pages preceding it so I have a suspicion that it fell out/got ripped out from this ragged ex-library copy. So if anyone owns this edition (I was surprised page numbers for stories weren't entered and even year was wrong; I assumed most of these old SF books were pretty much taken care of long ago) they can verify if intro is there and delete if it's not. I'm not sure what the "5+" in the page count was about so I removed it. No cover images in any usable places so if anyone wants to upload one they can do so although it's just the standard boring yellow Gollancz cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:22, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Smallcreep's Day ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?955909; [https://pictures.abebooks.com/inventory/22813368225_3.jpg]; Panther edition archived so I entered link and other stuff, says Peter C. on cover and title page, original Gollancz HC says Peter C. on cover but full name on title page as can be seen in photo linked above, so I'm mentioning this here because I can never remember if changing a name in one edition has a ripple effect; author's page has some info on it that might be erased (or not). Panther needs to be made a variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:03, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Publication edit accepted, Panther edition unmerged from other, and new title varianted to old. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:02, 19 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== DF Lewis ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?1187; I've been adding links to some of this dude's hundreds of stories (and there are many more in obscure genre or non-genre publications that aren't on this site) since I've always wondered how someone whose writing was so incomprehensible and sometimes downright terrible managed to get published in so many places. It goes all the way back to when I would look forward each year to the new edition of Karl Edward Wagner's Year's Best Horror Stories which sadly ended 30 years ago. He included some Lewis tales and it always annoyed me because I knew he could have picked another story that was far better (and more horrific) but he seemed to have a touch of elitism where he would include pretentious and often barely-horror stories in each edition just to show his street cred, I guess. Anyway, many of the links I've been adding mention zines that are genre but not entered here; one that came up recently was End of the Millennium which featured Lewis in several issues. The story I added a link for was in #11 from 1999, which seems logical considering the title of the zine, but I (and the mod who initially rejected my edit) couldn't find any mention of it anywhere online except on Lewis-related sites. So if anyone can find verifiable info on any issues that would be good to enter. Take a look at this, https://nullimmortalis.wordpress.com/2010/08/20/dfl-partial-bibliography/, and marvel at all those obscure publications. It's a gold mine. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:09, 17 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Schwalme ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=schwalm&type=Name; These 2 Germans are probably the same person; whether one is spelled wrong originally and needs to be a variant or whether it's entered wrong here and needs fixing and merging is the question. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:59, 17 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Good find! This is in fact documented with the entry at DNB. I'll do the necessary pseudonyming. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:07, 19 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Another Dracula ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=another+dracula&type=All+Titles; 1930 publication of this title says it only appeared as a serial but there it is in one of the million Peter Haining anthologies in 1982 (with no question mark). Sadly, it's a William Kimber book, rare they are, so no archived copies. Richard Dalby site's copy doesn't help with any info that's not already here so if anyone owns it maybe they can say what the title is/if it's the full serial so it can be a variant or a merge. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:30, 18 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Feast of Laughter ==<br />
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https://www.feastoflaughter.org/; I have 4 PENDING edits replacing Google Drive links to issues 1-4 with the ones currently online but #5 apparently was never entered here. Differences between print and e. Mentioning this in case anyone feels like entering it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:38, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Yoh-Vombis ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace#Yoh-Vombis; No help there so if anyone else can help/owns a copy a response would be appreciated. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:40, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Phantasmagoria ==<br />
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● Just to let people know [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?70167 Phantasmagoria] as listed on this site is really <b>Phantasmagoria Special Edition</b>. <b>Phantasmagoria</b> and <b>Phantasmagoria Special Edition</b> are two different magazines. Unless anybody minds, I’m going to have to change this soon. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 00:38, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Weir - Project Hail Mary ==<br />
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I have the {{P|914539|2022 edition}} of this title and it contains the two pages of rocket diagrams by David Lindroth (credited, as noted in similar pubs, on the copyright page as "Rocket diagrams: © David Lindroth Inc.").<br />
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Currently, Lindroth's diagrams are titled "Project Hail Mary". So far, so good, but the diagrams are titled "Thrust Configuration" at the top left of the first of the two pages. Because they <i>are</i> titled, I propose retitling {{T|2864563|this title}} as "Thrust Configuration" (no disambiguation needed). Would this be correct? Also, there doesn't seem to be any difference to warrant separation in {{T|3167979|this title}} and so it could be merged. Comments please. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 04:27, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No objection to your proposals. Seems useful and clear, and not overly burdensome for verifiers. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 14:43, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::[https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Regular_Titles The rules] (see Title-Artwork) state that ''Interior art should have the same title as the fiction or essay it is associated with. If it is independent of other content, and has no apparent title or caption, give it the title of the publication in which it appears, disambiguating if necessary.'' This, imo, implies that for art illustrating a piece of fiction (or is otherwise part of the story), it should get the title of the work it's associated with. Or, alternatively, if the work '''isn't''' associated with a title, and it has a title of its own, only then can it be entered using its title - but note that the rules don't actually say that explicitly. The [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:TitleFields:TitleType#INTERIORART TitleType/INTERIORART entry] says, a.o., ''If the illustration has a separate title or caption, document in the illustration's Notes field.'' The rule doesn't state that you can use it as title for the interior art.<br />
::So, per the rules the title should stay as-is - unless, you want to argue that the illustration is in no way associated with the novel?<br />
::Concerning the duplicate title, those can be merged (seems unlikely that there'd be (meaningful) differences between editions).<br />
::PS. you can always start a rules discussion over at the [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions R&S] if you'd like... Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 06:22, 22 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::''and has no apparent title or caption,'' is the qualifying part of that first sentence. That's why I wrote "Because they <i>are</i> titled". Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:05, 22 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: That qualifying part does not apply if it is not independent of other content. Since the art illustrates the novel (hence not independent) the novel's title is to be used per the first rules sentence, and the actual title added to the notes. Also, I cannot find it explicitly anywhere in the rules that the actual title of INTERIORART could be used any other circumstances. Merely, we can only infer (I think) from the rules text that when it is not related to anything in the publication, its actual title can (should) be used. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 07:49, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: <code> IF (''independent'' AND ''Has_No_title'') THEN ''Use_Pub_Title'' ELSE 'UNDEFINED'</code><br />
:::: If 'Has_No_title == FALSE (i.e. there -is- a title), we don't really know what to do, do we? Also, if 'independent' == FALSE (meaning, actually illustrating (part of) the work), we don't know what do do either, unless we're referring to the first sentence, which says:<br />
:::: <code> IF (NOT ''independent'') THEN ''Use_Pub_Title'' ELSE GOTO 'code above'</code> (with NOT ''independent'' being equivalent to 'associated') [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 08:23, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::Although it most likely could be stated more elegantly, this is what I get from my understanding of the Help (and implications) [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Regular_Titles for Artwork]; "''Interior art should have the same title as the fiction or essay it is associated with. If it is independent of other content, and has no apparent title or caption, give it the title of the publication in which it appears, disambiguating if necessary.''".<br />
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:::::There are 4 scenarios to resolve:<br />
::::::(1) Art is independent (i.e, not associated) and is not captioned.<br />
::::::(2) Art is independent (i.e, not associated) and is captioned.<br />
::::::(3) Art is not independent (i.e, is associated) and is not captioned.<br />
::::::(4) Art is not independent (i.e, is associated) and is captioned.<br />
:::::Therefore:<br />
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::::::If ''independent'' AND ''Has_No_Caption'' Then<br />
:::::::''Use_Pub_Title'' (...scenario (1))<br />
::::::Else<br />
:::::::If independent Then<br />
::::::::''Use_Caption_Title'' (...scenario (2))<br />
:::::::Else<br />
::::::::If Has_No_Caption Then<br />
:::::::::''Use_Associated_Title'' (...scenario (3))<br />
::::::::Else<br />
:::::::::''Use_Caption_Title'' (...scenario (4))<br />
::::::::Endif<br />
:::::::Endif<br />
::::::Endif<br />
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:::::There is a problem if one arrives at the last instruction and the art carries a different caption to the work it is associated with, but that's beyond our purpose here.<br />
:::::{{T|954582|Here}} {{T|3175000|and here}} is an example where a single piece of untitled artwork is used in both independent and associated contexts; as a frontispiece and embedded in a short story. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:14, 24 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::: If I'm not making an error while analyzing your logic, it boils down to: "if it has a caption, use it. In all other cases, use the associated title". Honestly, that's a simple rule, and would work for me. However, that is not what I'm reading in the current rules text. I think this warrants further discussion and clarification. Shall we move this discussion to R&S? Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 08:08, 25 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::Good idea, it would be nice to find out what the small print is :) See [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Interior_art_-_do_we_use_artwork_captions_in_the_titling.3F Interior art - do we use artwork captions in the titling]. Thanks, Kev.--[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:43, 25 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== "Achevé D'Imprimer" and "Dépôt Légal" - possible new templates ==<br />
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We have thousands of French publications which use "Achevé D'Imprimer" and "Dépôt Légal" in Notes. For example, consider [https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?874559 Aux portes de l'épouvante], which says:<br />
* Achevé D'Imprimer = None on book<br />
* Dépôt Légal = None on book<br />
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or take [https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?868799 La charnière du temps]:<br />
* Achevé D'Imprimer = Publication Date<br />
* Dépôt Légal = September 1987 (nearly matches AI)<br />
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Most of our users are presumably not familiar with these terms. How about we create simple (i.e. no parameters, just explanatory text) Notes templates of the same names explaining what they mean? Once the new templates are defined, I can create a database script to replace "Achevé D'Imprimer" and "Dépôt Légal" with <nowiki>"{{Achevé D'Imprimer}}" and "{{Dépôt Légal}}"</nowiki>. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:16, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Fine idea, which I do support! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:25, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: A quick clarification to make sure that we are all on the same page. The proposal wouldn't change the way "Achevé D'Imprimer" and "Dépôt Légal" are displayed. It would only add mouse-over bubbles explaining what the terms mean. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:38, 22 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Yes. But it would be a good idea for those not knowing what those terms could possibly mean. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:55, 22 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: What about : "Achevé d'imprimer" = "printing completed on…" (note not ''all'' AIs are dated) and "Dépôt légal" = "officially registered on…" ? The "dépôt légal" also implies that the publisher is legally expected to send one or two copies of the new book to the BnF (Bibliothèque nationale de France). Furthermore, it would be necessary to explain, I think, that the date of the "dépôt légal” can differ sensibly from the printing date, as it is a purely formal business, which can easily follow the date of actual publication by a few months (I know, this happened to some of my own books…). [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] ([[User talk:Linguist|talk]]) 08:45, 23 August 2023 (EDT).<br />
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::::: Thanks for chiming in! A couple of questions to make sure that I understand the process correctly:<br />
::::: "Printing completed": Is this the date when the last copy of the print run was physically produced? In the US, the date when copies were physically produced and the date when they were "published", i.e. made available to the public, are often different. For example, the first printing of an edition may be printed in April and arrive in bookstores in May or June. Is it the same in France or are the "printing date" and the "publication date" so close as to be the same for most practical purposes?<br />
::::: "Officially registered". Can the "Dépôt légal" date precede the publication date or is it always the same as or later than the publication date? The reason I am asking is that we have come across cases where the copyright date was months or even years (!) prior to the publication date, which confused some cataloging librarians.<br />
::::: [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:25, 23 August 2rif023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: I didn't come across any case where the publication date precedes the "dépôt légal" date: the other way around does happen, though (for example, a higher printing doesn't need a new "dépôt légal"; usually the "dépôt légal" for the first printing is stated). <br />
:::::: For the publication date: this seems to correspond to the "dépôt légal" for first printings, see the modern (after, say, 2012) correspondence of "dépôt légal" and date of publication per Amazon (or/also, the stated "dépôt légal" and reported month of publication at Perrypedia for the French 'Perry Rhodan' publications). <br />
:::::: The copyright date is usually stated within French publications and is to be set apart from other dates stated. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:03, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Dominique: What I don't understand about your experience with belated deliverance of personal copies to the author(s) is that as I understand it you had personal copies sent to you much later than the stated "dépôt légal", is that right? (If so, this would not speak against the stated "dépôt légal" corresponding to the date of publication or distribution, I'd think). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 14:08, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::: On the whole the French statements for printing & legal deposit strike me to be very similar to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?613648 this (German) publication], where there are statements for the month of printing ("Printed in Germany 4/2001") as well as for the month of publication ("Deutsche Erstausgabe 6/2001") to be found (with the actual month of distributing 5/2001). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 14:38, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: Ahasuerus and Christian : Yes, “achevé d'imprimer” corresponds to the date of the last copy of the run. Printing date and publication date can be indeed very close, but there's no strict rule about it. In any case, the "dépôt légal" normally comes some time after, as the books have to exist physically to be sent to the BnF. Officially, you are supposed to send some copies within three months after publication, but that delay is not always respected, for all sorts of reasons. This is from my own experience as an occasional publisher : the "dépôt légal" date has to be printed in the book ''before'' the actual registration, which can only take place after the book is printed — and sometimes months after publication, the estimated DL date being then purely theoretical. In the case of successive reprints, some publishers indicate a new DL each time, as well as the initial one, but some dont bother, and the only way to date the book is the printing date. As for a DL preceding the AI, like Christian, I don't remember coming across the case. But the ''copyright'' (not to be confused with DL) can easily precede AI and DL : quite a few re-editions only state the initial copyright of the book, although printed years after the first publication. [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] ([[User talk:Linguist|talk]]) 05:22, 24 August 2023 (EDT).<br />
::::::: I have just met an rather interesting case in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?967543 this publication] : the DL is indicated as "à parution" (= as soon as published), honestly showing that a) the dépôt légal date cannot be stated precisely, and b) that DL should not be confused with publication date. [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] ([[User talk:Linguist|talk]]) 05:40, 24 August 2023 (EDT).<br />
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:::::::: On the other hand, I do think it's even more misleading to use the "achevé d'imprimer", as this is per definition the date of printing, not of publication. I do think that the systems of publications in France & Germany are/were very similar: first a book is printed, and a few weeks later it is distributed/published (in many cases this id the next month). The stated "dépôt légal" is in any case closer to the date of distribution/publication (and on the point for those cases mentioned above, i. e. modern Amazon & French Perry Rhodan). <br />
:::::::: Obviously, in cases where there's no "dépôt légal" (or only one belonging to an earlier printing, or a useless one, as in your example), to use the "achevé d'imprimer" is the best you can do, if you have no other dependable information at hand, but if the first is there and valid, this should be used: the publisher gives a hint when the publication is distributed. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:00, 24 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::: Thanks for the clarification, Dominique!<br />
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::::::::: Christian, please keep in mind that the immediate issue here is what the proposed mouseover bubbles should say -- as opposed to how we should use these dates to determine each publication's "publication date" as we define it.<br />
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::::::::: Based on the discussion above, I am thinking that something like the following may work:<br />
:::::::::* <nowiki>Achevé D'Imprimer</nowiki>: Date when the last copy of the print run was physically produced<br />
:::::::::* <nowiki>Dépôt Légal</nowiki>: Estimated date when this publication will be officially registered and copies will be sent to the Bibliothèque nationale de France. Some reprints may list both the original Dépôt Légal date as well as the new one while some other reprints may only list the original Dépôt Légal date.<br />
::::::::: Will this work? Also, please note that the text in mouseover bubbles is editable by ISFDB Bureaucrats, so we can easily change the wording in the future. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:49, 24 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::: Sounds good! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 22:50, 24 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) I have created two new templates. The language is similar to what I proposed above with some stylistic modifications:<br />
* <nowiki>Achevé D'Imprimer</nowiki>: Date when the last copy of the print run was physically produced<br />
* <nowiki>Dépôt Légal</nowiki>: Estimated date when this publication is supposed to be officially registered and copies sent to the Bibliothèque nationale de France. Reprints may list either both the original Dépôt Légal date and the new one or only the original Dépôt Légal date.<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?874559 Here] is an example. If everything looks OK, I can create a database script and auto-update all Notes that use "Achevé D'Imprimer" and/or "Dépôt Légal". As I mentioned earlier, we can always tweak the template language later. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:15, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: [[Help:Using_Templates_and_HTML_in_Note_Fields#Non-Linking_Templates]] has been update to included the new templates. I plan to auto-convert all occurrences of "Achevé D'Imprimer" and "Dépôt Légal" to templates once I finish my current tasks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:05, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Earlier this afternoon 5,400+ Publication Notes with "Achevé D'Imprimer" and/or "Dépôt Légal" were updated automatically. The remaining 9 were updated manually. I believe we should be all set. If you come across any issues, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:04, 3 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Best from F&SF: 12th Series ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5749433; Hey, active PV Kraang, Rtrace, Rudam, GlennMcG, should page count be upped by 1 with a note about last page being unnumbered? Because there's a full-page drawing after the last numbered page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:28, 22 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Terese N. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5750006; It's definitely Neilsen; I did a text search on Archive.org and the only other book with the misspelled name is Newton's Cannon, but I didn't change it there because there's many editions she's credited on here for that book; I did add Archive.org links to book club HC and Del Rey PB and it's Neilsen in both, with at least 1 note here mentioning (sic) for the name but entering it under her canonical name, anyway. So if anyone cares, her name will need to be changed. Also, there seem to be 2 separate map credits that may be the same, 1 uncredited and 1 with an artist named, so that's an issue, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:41, 22 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Batman Young Readers ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?1012; I added Archive.org links to all 3 and fixed/added some other stuff. What should be the standard for the titles? Either they should all start with "Batman in" or they shouldn't because Batman is the series. Which ones need fixing? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:26, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Richard Drew Publishing / Richard Drew ==<br />
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Any objection to merging [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?1278 Richard Drew] into [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?82332 Richard Drew Publishing]? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:08, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Depends on how they are listed on the title pages of the publications in question. It's possible it changed over time. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:56, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Points to consider:<br />
::* From the Publisher Field Template - "Where multiple forms of a name exist, it is not important to always enter exactly the form of the name as it appears on the book. For example, an imprint may say "A Tor Book", "Tor", "Tor Books", "Tor Books Science Fiction", or "Tor: A Tom Doherty Associates Book". Sometimes several of these varying forms will be on a single book. These can be converted to a canonical form; in this case "Tor" would be the sensible choice. The ISFDB does not currently have a page to identify and document canonical forms for publishers but may do so in the future"<br />
::* There is nothing in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?1278 these four] which supports 'Richard Drew' as the publisher. From the above referenced template - "The publisher has in the past not been a key entity in the ISFDB.", engendering little confidence in the entries. The secondary verifications , added much later, use their own canonical names. Reginald3 uses 'Richard Drew' and British Library uses 'Drew'. <br />
::* [https://archive.org/search?query=mediatype%3A%28texts%29+AND+Publisher%3A%28Richard+Drew%29 Here] are the 17 scans for Richard Drew published books currently in the internet archive. All of them show 'Richard Drew Publishing'.<br />
::I see no benefit in using both forms and 'Richard Drew Publishing' seems the most appropriate. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:56, 24 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Chandler Award? ==<br />
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It looks like we don't have an Award Type for [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandler_Award The A. Bertram Chandler Award for Outstanding Achievement in Australian Science Fiction], which is [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/chandler_award listed by SFE]. It's presented by [https://fancyclopedia.org/Australian_Science_Fiction_Foundation Australian Science Fiction Foundation], which, judging by the Web site, may be moribund as of 2023, but they kept the award going for 3 decades. Should we add it? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:01, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Seems like a good one to have recorded here. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 21:23, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Hearing no objection, I created a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?111 new Award Type record] and added the awards earlier today. I also discovered that we already had almost half of the awards entered under a separate Ditmar Award category. Although usually given at the same annual Australian convention, the Ditmar award and the Chandler award are two different awards given by different people (fan-voted vs. juried), so I moved the data to the new Award Type. Hopefully everything looks OK now. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:53, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Damon Wilson ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?394521; Damon is Colin's son, I was going to add links in notes to each other but this is true-crime stuff, not really eligible on here, they wrote like a thousand of these things together, so I think book should be removed and maybe just zine review kept. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:05, 24 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I have added notes and third party URLs to the two author records. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:01, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::So this book is eligible? Because if it is there's a whole lot of other stuff like it by them; really depressing stuff. I hope people here didn't agree at some point recently that true-crime books are eligible now for some reason because if they are there's like thousands of them; maybe this one gets by because the elder Wilson is above the threshold? On a side note, the title of this book differs from what it says on the cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:08, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Sorry, I missed that part. {{A|Colin Wilson}} is presumably "above the threshold" because he wrote a dozen SF novels and numerous books/articles about SF (like ''Science Fiction As Existentialism'') and about SF authors like Tolkien, van Vogt, David Lindsay and Lovecraft. That's why we list his non-genre books, including his non-genre non-fiction. Some of them, like ''The Book of Time'' and ''From Atlantis to the Sphinx'', are SF-adjacent but may not have been eligible if he were not "above the threshold". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:42, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Steir or Stier ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?79153; I added Archive.org link and cover image to Doubleday edition of Leonard Daventry's Twenty-One Billionth Paradox, cover artist on ISFDB is Pat Stier (probably taken from SFE since there's no PV), Pat Steir is a well-known artist who's a lady, I added an edit noting her birth name from Wiki, thing is Wiki says she was born in 1940, not 1938, so does anyone know when she was really born and also if anyone owns a jacketed copy of Paradox let us know because I've also made an edit making Stier a variant of Steir but it could be Steir in the book and SFE was just mistaken in which case it would just need to be corrected without a variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:02, 24 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Death Tour ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5751841; A curse on these ex-library copies with no jackets. If anyone has a jacketed copy let us know because it's possible "Joe Chiodo" may not be what's actually on the back flap or wherever it is (only site online I can find that mentions Chiodo and Death Tour together is something called Paperback Palette but artist is credited as Charles Chiodo which is definitely wrong because he's half of a well-known special effects team with his brother; they directed the all-time classic KILLER KLOWNS FROM OUTER SPACE in the 1980's). EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5751849; Here's a lesson in never trusting info found on a random blog. Incidentally, the blog where that wrong info came from, http://markwestwriter.blogspot.com/, is on hiatus so I hope there's nothing wrong with Mr. West. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:33, 24 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== L. Rey ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?122809; I added Archive.org link to first book, by Colin Wilson, previous book in the series said Luis Rey for the cover, this one said Louis, I made Louis a variant of Luis and made variants of Wilson book's cover art and Spock's World, too (copy on eBay), but that UK House on the Borderland eluded me. So if anyone owns it/can find it and it does say Louis then you can variant it to Luis or change it to Luis if it says that. Then the only question will be how many of the 60+ credits by Luis really say Luis and how many actually say Louis but the editor didn't notice or they did notice but just entered his regular name, anyway. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:24, 25 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Das große Buch der Märchen, Sagen und Gespenster ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=dasgrossebuchder0000unse_e5m6; While adding links to some Franz Rottensteiner books I saw this one which doesn't seem to be here in case anyone German-fluent would like to enter it; it has a good selection of stories. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:52, 25 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Polish ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?21549; A while back I went on a long run of adding cover images and artist/author photos to books from Poland using FantLab mostly; today I accidentally stumbled on 2 more photos of Kiwerski and Kacperek and added those (plus a lot of other stuff for Kiwerski). I noticed that the above-linked publisher has very few images added, for example the 58 non-series books have a grand total of 10 images, so anyone more familiar than me with the language may want to work on this. Some of them seem to be on Google Books. A guy whose name escapes me right now was adding a lot of stuff years before I started editing, his name kept popping up as PV, but either he quit or passed on or something because a lot of his books were left unfinished with stuff missing. EDIT: Don't bother doing what I did and try to find images on Amazon by entering a search for a book's ISBN without the dashes; I tried several and got nothing except the usual car parts for sale that happen to have an ID number that matches the book or a bunch of scantily-dressed ladies on some sketchy site that offers "dates" and identifies each woman by a number, I suppose. I've seen more of those over the last few years than I can count and many of them I wish I didn't see. EDIT: I came across this, https://fantlab.ru/edition207519, which doesn't seem to be on ISFDB and is certainly genre-related. FantLab's note says it's the second English issue so there's an earlier one (not on FantLab) plus an unknown number in Polish. EDIT: Surprisingly there are only 5 publishers on ISFDB with Poland in their name but there's all sorts of stuff still to be done for them. A quick check reveals that 1) the missing cover art credit for one of Empire's Who books is a re-arranged version of the 1991 Target / Virgin English edition by Alister Pearson, 2) the Jaguar books include 5 TP and 2 PB so likely the PB should be TP, too, and Time*Out is missing cover image which is likely the same as the other editions, plus last 3 books are missing cover artists, 3) Phantom has 5 TP and 3 PB so likely the PB should be TP, too, and Card's book is missing cover image, and the 2 books with prices were entered differently (00 at the end of one of them), plus Poland was misspelled as Polan in the publisher note, 4) four of the seven Solaris books are missing cover artists and one that has an artist has an unknown format, 5) Victoria book is missing cover, searching for ISBN without dashes in Google Images only finds half-naked escort photos but I think this, https://polter.pl/ksiazki/Rozanooka-n19312, might be the right image. I'm sure I missed a few things. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:38, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Analog Yearbook ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2550; This is the only one in the series without a cover artist, note says there's no signature but I think there is, lower right corner, tried several legit (?) image enlargers online but didn't really help, someone else here may be able to identify it. I also added Archive.org links and a few other things to a whole bunch of Analog anthologies by Stanley Schmidt. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 02:02, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Server downtime - 2023-08-26 at 3pm ==<br />
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The server will be unavailable between 3pm and 3:05pm server (Daylight Saving) time. One of the temporary Wiki tables keeps growing and needs to be periodically reset before the server runs out of disk space. I am still looking for a permanent solution. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:19, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: We are back up. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:02, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Hitler's Crystal ==<br />
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https://openlibrary.org/works/OL20092886W/Predator?edition=key%3A/books/OL27272937M; For some reason the image for Predator shows 4 covers; one looks like a thriller with a gun, one's a romance novel, but that other one ... please let it be real. Online search only finds it on lpbooks.com (Lion & Phoenix), calls it #2 in the DimeNovel series. Otherwise, very little info. I know that company was shady and didn't pay their authors but some books were still published. If anyone can find proof of the Hitler book (and assuming it's genre) let us know. A text search for publisher and title/author and title on Archive.org both only found 1 hit, a mention in a 1992 issue of Science Fiction Chronicle which also mentions a few other titles not on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:00, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dark Star ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5753574; Only after I entered my edit did I notice that someone had written a price note of their own. Since this was published by an American company the $ price should be the one entered, I think, but what should be done with the UK note? Just erase it or leave it with an added "British price was" note or something similar? EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?92985; artist and essay/review writer are 2 different people. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:40, 27 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Add to the notes something along the lines of "British price of 7/6 from British Science-Fiction Bibliography", hence no information gets lost. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 07:10, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Uncle Stephen ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1028679; I added FantLab cover (cover image doesn't seem to be in very many places online for some reason) to first Tartarus record which was entered in the very early days of public editing here, but the Fixer robot entered the same book from Amazon in 2019. Page count is more accurate in the first record with Roman numerals but later record does include the day, so should second record be deleted and day of publication added to date of first record? Also, ISBN aren't exactly the same so maybe that's why the robot thought the book had never been entered. Sorry, Skynet. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:51, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== FortuneCity ==<br />
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https://fanlore.org/wiki/List_of_FortuneCity_Fansites; This link may be useful; it contains much genre-related material. Whoever compiled this huge thing deserves a medal. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:00, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== This Incredible Adventure ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270570; I corrected someone's cover artist entry for The Apes by Eden Phillpotts from D. Burrouches to Dorothy Burroughes as it says on SFE; weird font in cover signature fooled someone into seeing the G as a C. Book I linked above is the only other credit here that's probably by her but there's no E in her last name, info such as cover image, etc., is scarce online, so if anyone can get an image or a flap or something either it will have name with an E and can be corrected or it won't and it'll be a variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:59, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ace Fantasy ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5758148; It really says Ace Fantasy Books on title page and there are 100+ entries on ISFDB by that name. Should it really be separate or changed to just Ace Books? Should this book and the original edition (and possibly the later one if they were still using Ace Fantasy then) be Ace Books? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:46, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Saltflower ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=saltflower; German edition in case anyone fluent wants to enter it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:19, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Okay [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?968760 here it is]. But, since I don't know German either, somebody is going to have translate the translator. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 03:37, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Day It Rained Forever ==<br />
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https://www.existentialennui.com/2017/11/science-fiction-beautiful-british-book.html; I was adding Archive.org links and some other stuff to 3 different editions of Bradbury's British book (2 Penguins and a Roc), and I noticed that the original Hart-Davis has a note about some reference work having the price as 18/-, and as can be seen in the photo at the link above it is 18/-; however, the first Hart-Davis book with a price that high was about 10 years later, so I believe it might be a later printing. So if anyone knows they can do something with that, maybe another record can be created. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:36, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jan B. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=breug&type=Name; Both named Jan are on front page ("died"), they're the same person, yes? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:48, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Alternate name established. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:04, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Welcome to the Silent Zone ==<br />
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● I just put [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3222249 Welcome to the Silent Zone] on this site, but the copywrite page states that this is a translation (Hungarian?), but I can’t find the possible original anywhere. Anybody got any ideas? [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 21:14, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dell 2nd Printing ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5759600; This one's annoying me because every copy on picclick/ebay is first printing; anyone own second printing so date can be fixed if it needs to be? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:29, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Temps Morts ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=temps-morts+maxim; I was doing a bunch of John R. Maxim edits and saw that the French translation of Time Out of Mind is on ISFDB only as part of an anthology, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?759828, but here, https://archive.org/search?query=temps-morts+maxim, are 2 editions with different names on their covers, one with the American/British HC art and the other apparently with original art, in case anyone fluent wants to enter those. Also, I thought it was funny that the only other work on ISFDB with the same title is a translation of Orson Scott Card's "Closing the Timelid"; I guess timelid has no meaning in French. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:31, 3 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Woman Who Married a Cloud ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1366097; https://archive.org/search?query=%22Married+a+Cloud%22; No English archived copies but I found a Polish (?) one in case anyone fluent wants to enter it so at least people who speak the language can read the stories. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:18, 3 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pawel M. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=pawel+mar&type=Name; Same guy, probably, one has the little question mark thing at the end of his name, one doesn't. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:39, 3 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Alternate name created. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:24, 4 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Peter Cartur/Roger Flint Young/Peter Grainger/Forrest J. Ackerman ==<br />
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I submitted an edit to the page on Peter Grainger, where it reads:<br />
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Note that ISFDB lists Peter Cartur as a pseudonym for Peter Grainger. However, the copyright/acknowledgments for Fifty Short Science Fiction <br />
Tales includes:<br />
Peter Cartur The Mist. Copyright 1952 by Fantasy House, Inc. Reprinted by permission of Forrest J. Ackerman.<br />
Usually something like this would indicate that Peter Cartur is a pseudonym as copyrights need to be filed under the author's real name. It's <br />
not known if Forrest J. Ackerman bought the rights to this story or if Peter Cartur is one of Forrest J. Ackerman's pseudonyms.<br />
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Peter Cartur is not a pseudonym of Forrest J. Ackerman. Ackerman was Peter Grainger's agent, which is why he gave permission for reprinting "The Mist". (Note that the copyright, at that time, was held by Fantasy House, the publishers of F&SF where it first appeared.)<br />
<br />
One of my sources for the assertion that "Peter Cartur" is a pseudonym of Peter Grainger, and not a pseudonym of Forrest J. Ackerman? A man named ... Forrest J. Ackerman.<br />
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I had earlier found a fanzine reference in the early 1950s in which Ackerman listed Grainger, Cartur, and Roger Flint Young among his clients. But I have found a better thing: an obituary by Ackerman for Peter Grainger, in the May 1974 issue of the fanzine Luna Monthly (#52). It's on page 8, and can be seen in full here: https://www.fanac.org/fanzines/Luna/Luna52.pdf<br />
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Here's the text of the obituary:<br />
"3 authors, 1 fan, killed simultaneously. The news is greatly delayed in being made public but late in 1971 fan Peter Grainger, probably in his early 60s, a fan who at one time had one of the greatest collections of all pulp magazines (in addition to sf and fantasy), was killed by a drunken driver. <br />
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With him died Peter Cartur (“The Mist,” F&SF, and “Nor Moon by Night,” Famous Fantastic Mysteries); Max Dancey (“Two-Way Stretch,” F&SF; “Me Feel Good,” Orbit SF; and “The Loneliest Town,” Fantastic Universe); and Roger Flint Young (“Forbidden Fruit,” Amazing; “Inoculation,” Fantastic Adventures; and “Suburban Frontiers” and “Not to be Opened—” in Astounding). All three authors were pseudonyms of Grainger. He last appeared in Perry Rhodan 38 as Max Dancey in collaboration with G. Gordon Dewey with “The Keknij Escape.” <br />
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Mild mannered, soft spoken, wry humored, he never made waves in the sf field, keeping to himself and a small circle of friends, operating a secondhand book and magazine shop, as far as I know, at the end of his life. I was glad to have been his friend, gratified to have been his agent, infuriated by the way he lost his life. -- Forry Ackerman" {{Unsigned2|11:49, September 4, 2023|Hortonwho13}}<br />
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== Angel(a) Arnet ==<br />
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I just added 1968 Stein and Day American edition to Elizabeth Walter's The Sin-Eater and design is by Angel Arnet, who has a credit on ISFDB for a Keith Laumer book, but an Angela Arnet has a credit for a Robert Silverberg book. So if anyone knows what her real name was one can be made a variant of the other, although she seems to be credited for design (even though art style is similar for all so she probably did art), which I put in the note for Sin-Eater, so maybe her name doesn't even really belong in cover art for those other 2 and should be moved to notes, also. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:55, 4 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== To Do List ==<br />
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I'm not doing any editing from Labor Day to October 1 (Halloween Season!) but if I come across anything I think needs looking into I'll mention it in this thread and maybe someone will help.<br />
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1) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?72190; Al Sarrantonio's "The Dust" is not the same as "Dust" and should be unmerged. I own the anthology Death, which is not on Archive.org, but "The Dust" was reprinted in 100 Hair-Raising Little Horror Stories which does have at least one archived link; "Dust" is from Quietly now, a very limited edition anthology from Borderlands Press which is almost impossible to find, but it was reprinted in a later collection of his which also has an archived link. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:43, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I have checked two pubs in my collection and confirmed that they are different stories. Unmerged and updated. Thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:20, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks. Will the variant for "Dust" go away after the site is updated or does that need doing manually? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:14, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: My bad; fixed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:22, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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2) On this list, https://wfc2023.org/in-memorium/, the following have not been updated on ISFDB with their date of death in 2022: Jill Pinkwater, Jay Wilburn, Ned Dameron, Henry Morrison, Sue Strong Hassler, Erik Arthur, Jay Faulkner. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:44, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Eleven author records updated, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:06, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks. https://news.ansible.uk/a425.html also mentions the death of Erik Arthur in case you were looking for extra info before adding his date. EDIT: I see Michel Bühler at the Ansible link also doesn't have a death date here so others on the list probably don't have a date, either. EDIT: I did a quick check and Bühler actually seems to be the only one; not sure why he wasn't on the other memoriam list (not considered important enough to the genre, I guess). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:21, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
3) Amazingstories.com, In Memoriam Those We Have Lost in 2022: "Fan John E. Ferraro (b.1952) died on January 13. John was an active convention attendee and helped run conventions in the Chicago and Milwaukee areas." Probably this guy, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?205939. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:54, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Here's [https://amazingstories.com/2023/01/in-memoriam-those-we-have-lost-in-2022/ the link] to the referenced post. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:40, 6 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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4) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?33619; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jenkins_(author); Author of book died but it doesn't really belong here, I believe, because it's just about dinosaurs with no genre content. Also, short stories are by a different guy, https://www.amazon.com.be/-/en/Steven-Jenkins/dp/0993283659; Dark Moon Digest where they appeared is mentioned in his bio. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:12, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Differentiated the authors; I'd also think the dinosaur nonfiction shouldn't be here, are there more opinion? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:53, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Book does not belong here, I deleted hundreds of these years ago in a cleanup. Will remove this one to.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 15:49, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
5) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?112614; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Swann. Saw he died while perusing the necrology in an old Best New Horror volume. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:08, 6 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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6) https://archive.org/details/science-fiction-conventions; I've added a few links recently to random volumes from this collection uploaded last year if there was something in them that was related to something else I happened to be editing but there's hundreds of others and I'm not big on old SF. If anyone's interested in adding more links or verifying and fixing any info they're there; you never know when they might be gone. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:20, 6 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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7) On this page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Horror_fiction_awards, there seem to be 2 literary awards not on ISFDB, Gaylactic and Nocte. Only mention in a note search on ISFDB for the former is Queer Fear II, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?342199, while Nocte is mentioned here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?665268, and here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2368403, although another award, Premio Ignotus, is mentioned so there seems to be some confusion. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:38, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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8) https://archive.org/search?query=george+martin+game-of-thrones&sort=title&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22; With the Game of Thrones spinoff Snow coming soon, supposedly, I did a search for author/title and got the page linked above. There's all sorts of stuff from various English-language editions to foreign editions to coloring books and puzzle books plus some non-fiction about the series. Many of those copies could be useful in fleshing out what's already here and possibly some aren't even here at all. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:43, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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9) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=sailing&type=Name; Jasmine linked bio on her page refers to her 2 children and one of them is Amara so something should be added to their notes to detail the mother-daughter relationship. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:50, 8 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Relationship added, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:05, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
10) https://archive.org/details/friendsofthesanfranciscopubliclibrary?query=%22perry+rhodan%22&sin=TXT&sort=title; Big assortment of Perry Rhodan books. Text search was necessary because several were misidentified as electronic or video recordings or by ISBN instead of title; I count 43 Rhodan books. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:51, 8 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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11) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?20806; https://www.cunninghamfuneralhome.net/obituary/lee-moler/; Moler died several years ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:11, 9 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Author record updated, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:54, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
12) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?141950; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?500568; I think signature is "LeCroix 77". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:26, 10 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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13) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?16483; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?16572; They're the same person. Variant needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:03, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Alternate name established, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:46, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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14) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?532102; https://archive.org/search?query=blue-streak+medusa&sort=-addeddate; A Whitman sampler of editions of this book; as someone's note says it's hard to say which of the multiple printings these are, all just say 1946 on copyright page, one has no cover and the other 2 may have the same color cover, it's hard to tell because one of them is old and faded, if any experts can identify by gutter code or something similar they can add links if they want to. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:14, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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15) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=hucken&type=Name; Which is parent and which is variant? The 1974 name is actually entered wrong, https://archive.org/details/Burroughs_Bulletin_034_1974_LauraS_FIXED/page/n14/mode/1up, so his real name needs verifying. EDIT: Title is wrong, too; it's Torquasian. EDIT: https://archive.org/search?query=burroughs-bulletin&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22collection%22; I'm going to assume there are other mistakes throughout the various issues so this collection may help in fixing some of those. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:45, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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16) https://main.pemmi-con.ca/sf/in-memoriam/; People with no 2022 death date entered here: Celia Correas de Zapata, Drew Ford, Martin Barker. The Stephen Smith mentioned in the list may or may not be one of these Smiths, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?34578, and Kevin Barrett might be this guy, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?8563. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:16, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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17) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=wojtow&type=Name; First 2 guys are almost certainly the same people as are the last 2 guys. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:22, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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18) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?1038; Someone's been adding recent issues of Nightmare Abbey from this publisher (there's also a one-off here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?662703). Almost all of their publications were PV by Thosengl who is almost certainly the owner, Tom English, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?127469, but he was a little shaky judging by the numerous corrections mods had to make to his edits. He hasn't been around for years (and for some reason at least 1 of his PV is by Thosengl7 who has a separate page here) and there are no copies of any of these books on Archive.org (must be a very small press) so if anyone owns anything maybe they can add/fix, in particular the series issue with 3 separate series names which almost certainly are the same. The first one, Literary Vampire, clearly says The Literary Vampire Series on the cover but "the" and "series" are in different sizes than the rest so maybe that's what led to the confusion. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:59, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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19) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?13861; Someone's recently been adding edits for Keyhoe UFO books which seems a waste of time because he's probably not above-the-threshold and those books are likely going to be removed eventually. The Perma Star one linked above should probably be removed but more importantly while searching text on Archive.org for Permabooks and Perma Star together a Simak book came up, https://archive.org/search?query=%22permabooks%22+%22perma+star%22&sin=TXT, so publisher for that edition, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?149901, should probably be Perma Star, too. Either that or Clarke book's publisher should be changed to Perma Books and Perma Star added as an imprint to both. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:32, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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20) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2447743; Jugement is probably wrong but Wiki titles it Judgment or Judgement depending on where you look, so real title needs verifying. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:36, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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21) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?334653; On the slim chance anyone owns this issue I find it hard to believe that movie review is really titled Mad MARX and not Mad MAX. I picture Groucho in the Thunderdome smoking a cigar while fighting Master Blaster. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:23, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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22) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1772293; Title of first story is wrong, it's "Pudgygate", Rusch offered it for free on her site kriswrites.com in 2011 (archived link is still working; she offered it a few times since but those don't have the text of the story anymore) and the 1995 anthology it came from, Cat Crimes Takes a Vacation, is on Archive.org. Also, Amazon preview identifies cover artist as Mega 11/Dreamstime (not sure about the first part, the font is kind of weird, might be II); problem is Dreamstime has many credits on ISFDB, some with a space separating the co-artist, some without, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=dreamstime&type=Name, so which is correct should probably be decided and wrong ones fixed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:24, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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23) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?107565; Lawrence R. Dagstine recently created a page here so I left him a message asking if he can provide info for his 2004 collection which is very sparse here and elsewhere online. While researching him I found this, https://lawrencedagstine.com/2007/07/16/kinships-7-now-available-final-issue/. The Nova credit is on ISFDB, Silverthought is a publisher that had a fiction section at their online site years ago, but Kinships was a print magazine, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?62884, that only has #1 and a later issue entered here. Both issues have a weird web link in their title records but the page on Dagstine's site has another link on Tripod which is still mentioned a few times online but the actual site is gone except in the archived version that doesn't seem to mention the final issue. So if anyone can actually find somewhere that mentions contents of #7 or any of the other issues those can be entered here. Typing "bibliography" and "Kinships Magazine" online only found 1 author site, https://jamesdorrwriter.wordpress.com/bibliography-1-short-fiction-3/, which mentions a story not on ISFDB and has a May 2002 date but doesn't mention what issue that was. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:52, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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24) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=horror+of+oz&type=All+Titles; Craftlove was a pseudonym of Karr. Also, Fancyclopedia and her bio on Amazon say she wrote as Gregory Remington who has a story here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?13994, so that's likely by her, too. She also has no photo on ISFDB and her Wiki (which only has 1 small not-so-good photo) says her last name was shortened to Karr but doesn't say if that was done legally; if not, her original last name, Karmilowicz, should be her legal name. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:57, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Erotic Fantasy & Science Fiction Selections ==<br />
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● What I would like to know is <i>Erotic Fantasy & Science Fiction Selections</i>; an anthology series, as seen [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?681090 here] or is it a publication series, as seen [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?11896 here]?. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 01:38, 6 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: They all seem to be unique compilations so I would go with a title series personally but either way works... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:55, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== DAW Books as an imprint ==<br />
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DAW Books was acquired by Astra Publishing House in July 2022. As a result, DAW Books is now an imprint of Astra Publishing House. I'm not sure when the DAW titles started having the imprint information on their copyright pages. I have started using the publisher [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?80940 DAW Books / Astra Publishing House] for new works since that data is on the copyright page. However, the title pages still show only DAW Books. In addition, using Amazon Look-inside, I see that at least some of the ebooks published by DAW as an independent entity have had their copyright pages updated to show "DAW Books" [over] "An imprint of Astra Publishing House". Should I still just use DAW Books for continuity? If I need to make changes, there are only 6 publications to change. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 10:10, 6 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Unless there isn't any publisher information on the title page, we should be going with what's on the title page. Anything else should be added as a note. At least that's been general practice for a long time. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:34, 6 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK. I'll change the 6 publications. I'm the sole PV for two of them anyway. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 12:58, 6 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::If I may, you're emphasizing "we should be going with what's on the title page. Anything else should be added as a note.".<br />
:::The [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Publisher Help screen for Publisher] states "Use the official statement of publication where you can.". The official statement of publication is the copyright page. Yes/no? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:31, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Looking at the totality of [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Publisher]], I note that it gives editors a lot of flexibility, e.g.:<br />
::::* Imprints are '''often''' a suitable choice since they may be genre specific. A good rule of thumb is to choose a publisher name that would not surprise the reader; thus "Del Rey Books" is a better choice for that imprint than "Ballantine Books", even though Del Rey was in fact an imprint of Ballantine, because Del Rey's imprint is the prominent label on the cover of those books, whereas "Ballantine" appears only in small print at best. However, if both an imprint and a publisher are listed, and particularly if both are known for publishing genre fiction, '''consider''' listing both. For example "Del Rey / Ballantine" may be an even better choice than either "Del Rey Books" or "Ballantine Books". [emphasis added]<br />
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::::* Where multiple forms of a name exist, it is not important to always enter exactly the form of the name as it appears on the book. For example, an imprint may say "A Tor Book", "Tor", "Tor Books", "Tor Books Science Fiction", or "Tor: A Tom Doherty Associates Book". Sometimes several of these varying forms will be on a single book. These can be converted to a canonical form; in this case "Tor" would be the sensible choice.<br />
:::: I haven't done much work on imprints the last few years, so I am not up to speed on what the current practices in this area are. If we could get other experienced editors' takes on this, we may be able to update Help to be more specific. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:55, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Nude French Alien ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?500568; I added to my "To Do List" thread with what I think is the cover artist but looking at edit history it was Hauck who entered the notes and he's one of those who wants nothing more to do with ISFDB so it's very unlikely he's going to respond; I'm adding this separate message so maybe someone else, possibly Stonecreek who added to Hauck's edits, will agree and enter the artist. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?500843; https://memoriasfc.blogspot.com/2013/08/toxicofuturis-une-anthologie-de-michel.html; Maybe someone can determine signature and enter artist. Also, Hauck seems to have misspelled "signature" a bunch of times, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/note_search_results.cgi?OPERATOR=contains&NOTE_VALUE=siganture, so if anyone wants to they can fix those. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:47, 10 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== 2023-09-11 performance issues ==<br />
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The site is very slow at the moment due to hundreds of simultaneous requests apparently coming from robot accounts. I am investigating. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:33, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: It looks like it's over for now. Checking the list of IP addresses that were part of the attack, I see that a lot of them come from multiple countries, including multiple Chinese provinces, which means that the attack was at least somewhat sophisticated. Perhaps they were looking for software vulnerabilities. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:48, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Plan 9 ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_ctype&O_2=exact&TERM_2=NONFICTION&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=contains&TERM_3=UFO&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication]; [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_ctype&O_2=exact&TERM_2=&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=contains&TERM_3=flying+object&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication]; [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_ctype&O_2=exact&TERM_2=NONFICTION&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=contains&TERM_3=flying+saucer&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication]; ; After seeing that someone has been making edits for some UFO books I thought I'd search for non-fiction books with related search terms in their titles to make it easier to get rid of them and just leave the reviews, if any, although a few are by above-the-threshold authors and likely can be justified in being here. There are many others that don't have any of those terms but this will be a good start. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:45, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Night Visions 4 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?257996; I thought this was interesting. I was looking at "My Primary Verifications with Possibly Unstable "/G/" Amazon URLs" and I only have 2; The Rage by Jack Ramsay and the above title. While looking for a replacement cover I noticed that some photos have the price/publisher info on the middle left like my copy and this photo, https://openlibrary.org/books/OL7502962M/Night_Visions_4_Hardshell, but others have the info on the lower left. Turns out they reprinted it at least once, https://www.etsy.com/listing/990058853/hardshell-aka-night-visions-4-paperback, note 2nd printing number line on copyright page, and oddly the Canadian price is lower (4.95) than the first (5.25). They also removed/moved some of the text on the cover. So does anyone own a copy who can check what printing they have? If you have the 2nd (or later, possibly) that can be entered and PV. You never know if they shifted the pages around, too, but only a full copy can verify that. EDIT: ISBN is also different; I left a note on Collecting Koontz's Twitter notifying them of this; they only list 1st printing and got the date wrong (1998 instead of 1988). EDIT: I just saw that way back in 2011 someone did enter what I assume is the 2nd printing, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?865302, although they didn't leave any notes about that or how they arrived at the 1990 date. I'm uploading a cover that matches my 1st printing so this other one needs a cover, too, and cover artist imported since it's the same image as the 1st. No page numbers so someone with a copy will still have to verify and enter those. EDIT: I tweeted Collecting Koontz site and got a reply thanking me and saying they fixed the date. I forgot to tell them they misspelled the title, too, as "Hardhsell", so hopefully they'll catch that and fix it; kind of hard to tell because links to the site seem to be on separate pages so they may fix it on one but not the other(s). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:06, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== 2023-09-12 performance issues ==<br />
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The malicious robots from yesterday are back as of 12:30pm server time and hammering the site, which is causing slow response times. I am monitoring the situation and will be looking into countermeasures. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:34, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== 2023-09-12 server downtime at 2:15pm ==<br />
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The server will be down for maintenance between 2:15pm and 2:25pm server (Eastern Daylight) time. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:58, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: We are back up. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:24, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Slow performance ==<br />
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Is there something going on with the server? The performance is currently pretty slow. It's taking over 10 seconds to load pages that normally load almost instantly. It's happening on both the main database and the wiki. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 22:39, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It's fine this morning. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 10:06, 13 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Our hosting company, Nexcess, had issues across multiple servers on 2023-09-13 -- see https://status.nexcess.net/ for details. They appear to have been resolved. Knock on wood. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:12, 13 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Clearly I wasn't knocking on the right kind of wood. The server is once again experiencing problems. Contacting Al. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:14, 13 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: The server is still experiencing massive issues. There is no ETA at this time. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:48, 13 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: As of 5am server time, response times are back to normal. However, since we haven't resolved the underlying problems, there is no guarantee that we won't see more issues later today. We are still looking into it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 05:25, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== After Hours ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?28067; After Hours was a horror magazine that ran from 1989-1995. I checked all 25 issues on ISFDB and none of them have interior art credits and none are PV so it wouldn't need checking with anyone else to add those credits which seem to always be on the contents page in the issues I've seen online. There's also the thing of having to change starting page numbers by 1 for those stories that begin with an illustration and a lot of the stories don't have lengths because editors likely added contents for most or all of the issues from Locus/Philsp and they call very short stories vi, meaning vignette, and those often are not given lengths here. There are some issues on eBay, a couple of issues on Richard Dalby's site (in the usual broken fashion for that site only one comes up when you search there, both show up when you search on Google), and I'm sure others are elsewhere (maybe a few people here actually own some issues). So if anyone wants to a lot of art credits, some by major artists, can be entered. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:32, 15 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Down On the Farm ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive50#Stchur; RTrace just added Reginald stuff to Paddywhack, Stchur's novel about a BULLDOG FROM HELL, but questions still remain about his first novel. The 12-photo eBay copy mentioned in my old message linked above seems to be gone but there are a few others currently available. I'd still like to know who did that cool art, but I also noticed that the name on the title page of the HC is actually J. W. Stchur so book's name and title name need adjusting; whether PB uses John or not is unknown because there don't seem to be any photos of the title page online. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:53, 16 September 2023 (EDT)</div>
Kraang
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User talk:Kraang
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<p>Kraang: /* Alpha Yes, Terra No! / The Ballad of Beta-2 */</p>
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If you're writing to inform me that you've either added a COVER IMAGE or NOTES to any of my VERIFIED PUBS, please click [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Kraang/Changes_to_Verified_Pubs&action=edit&section=1 HERE] and add it to the bottom of the list. A link to the pub record would be appreciated. Once the pub has been reviewed, I'll remove your note from the list. Thanks. Kraang<br />
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== SF: The Year's Greatest Science-Fiction and Fantasy Second Annual Volume / Title change discussion ==<br />
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Please respond at [[User_talk:GlennMcG#SF:_The_Year.27s_Greatest_Science-Fiction_and_Fantasy_Second_Annual_Volume_.2F_Shared_title_change_discussion|GlennMcG talk]]. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 19:52, 1 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Reeve - Station Zero ==<br />
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Hi, first off, thanks for your moderating my submissions! Out of curiousity, what went wrong with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5533261 this submission] where you fixed the HTML? Was it two spaces instead of one between the text and the link? That's the only difference I can see. Thanks for fixing it anyway! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:00, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:There was an extra "< / ul >" that appeared to be the problem, since you use a similar template in notes I looked at a previous one & removed the extra. Happy to moderate submissions, took a couple of months of now I'm back.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:26, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Ah, found it, thanks, and welcome back! Incidentally, these two submissions [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5530361 5530361] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5530366 5530366] have been hanging around for a while. I wondered if they've dropped out of moderators sight...? Kev.--[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:55, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Wow! Thanks! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:04, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Daniel Boring ==<br />
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Hi, Kraang. I have a (slightly ridiculous) question about [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?103216| David Boring]. Back in 2009, you added the note about it being reviewed in an SF publication. Do you know which? It doesn't have any reviews listed right now. I know it's been years, but I'm curious. Thanks! —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 03:13, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:No idea now. I did a lot of cleanup of non-genre & graphic novels at the time. Possibly a link to the review has been deleted, being of a graphic novel. Now all that is left is the novel & my note. Hope this helps.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 12:11, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Aha! I found it: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1299001]. I'll change it back to a review. —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 12:16, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::: I would not change it to a review - the graphic novel is NOT eligible to be here... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:54, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== La canción de Bêlit ==<br />
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The novel was published in Brazil, but they divided it into four parts, only volume 1 came out, how do I register?[[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 14:16, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Add the publication in as a Chapbook and in the Regular Title section add (Part 1 of 4) or (Vol 1) after title, then make title type a serial. Are the other three parts going to be published? If not then a note would help explain it's intension to be a novel but has not been completed. Hope this helps, I'll lookout for your submission.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:33, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::the publisher's page says it would be published in two volumes, the cover artist's Facebook page says in four parts, however, only the first volume was published, nothing was said if there will be continuation. I think the illustrator is right, as the original book has 572 pages and this one has 176. In the original book, it seems to already be divided into 4 parts. [[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 12:21, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Looking at the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?932583 original (2017) Spanish text], I see the following note:<br />
:::* Robert E. Howard's [novelette] "La Reina de la Costa Negra", which is included in its entirety in this novel, was originally published in ''Weird Tales'' in May 1934 as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?68499 "The Queen of the Black Coast."] The Spanish translation is the work of Rodolfo Martínez [...]<br />
::: This explains why the title page and the cover credit both Howard and Martínez. I suggest that we add Howard's name to the Spanish title as well as to the proposed Portuguese title.<br />
::: I can also confirm that the Spanish original consists of 4 "cuarta"s ("quarters"), so it seems likely that a 176-page book would contain the first "quarter" as opposed to the first half of the original, which is 572 pages long. Furthermore, the Spanish original is 168K words long. The four "quarters" are novella length since they are under the 40K limit:<br />
:::* First "quarter" -- 19%<br />
:::* Second "quarter" -- 23%<br />
:::* Third "quarter" -- 23%<br />
:::* Fourth "quarter" -- 21%<br />
:::* Appendices, including Martínez's translation of Howard's fictionalized essay [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?121948 "The Hyborian Age"] -- 12%<br />
::: This means that Kraang's guess above is correct and they are, in ISFDB terms, SERIALs as opposed to "split novels". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:33, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::Yes, the subtitle in Portuguese is "A tigresa e o leão", which is the same as "la tigresa y el léon" described as "libro primero" (first book).[[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 19:45, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
Enter the first book with as much detail you can find & I'll fix it up as best I can. I'll deal with the other submission tomorrow night when I get home. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:24, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::A second book was published [https://aveceditora.com.br/produto/a-cancao-de-belit-2 A canção de Bêlit: a última jornada][[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 09:57, 1 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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I understand, in fact the novel is divided into four parts and each book publishes two parts. [[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 09:29, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pwendt for self-approver ==<br />
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Hi, Kraang. Happy New Year! I hope to be a self-approver imminently. I prefer to be nominated by another, but I plan to nominate myself ("Self-nomination for self-approver") sometime tomorrow if none of you, plural, is available ready and willing in the next 20 hours or so. I write to a couple others too. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:42, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Back form short holiday will support self-approver.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:34, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Theodora Goss / The Thorn and the Blossom - Deletion Problem ==<br />
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You have processed all my submissions for this title to date but I'm now stuck on a step. As you know, I'm converting this from a Chapbook with a Novella to a Collection with two Novelettes. I now want to delete the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1347059 Novella record] as it has no associated pubs but I can't. When I try to "Delete This Title", I get the message "Error: 1 awards still refer to this title". There is no option to remove the Award or the Reviews so how do I go about deleting the Novella? Incidentally, I have taken a note of the Award and 5 Reviews and will import them to the container title for the Collection once it has been created. Thanks in advance for your help. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 07:54, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Yes, but it seems it is the piece of shortfiction that got the award, and it should have been published somewhere (or was it handed to one of the two new titles?). Or it may be possible to link the award to the collection instead. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:02, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I'll have a look at this tonight. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 11:33, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Ok everything should be fixed, the award & reviews are there , except the award describes it as "Best Novelette". Maybe an explanation should be added to explain the difference.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 13:38, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::All looks good now, thanks. One last piece of tidying up: deletion of the old, incorrectly titled Interiorart record. I have submitted an edit to do this. I see where you're coming from regarding an explanation of the Locus award as "Best Novelette" but I have no idea why Locus considered it to be a Novelette. The approx word counts are: Brendan's Story - 10,500 and Evelyn's Story - 10,900. So even if you consider the whole work to be a single piece of fiction (which it isn't), the total word count is 21,400 hence Novella. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:46, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Link fix ==<br />
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Thanks for your time fixing that wrong image link :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:42, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Asimov - I, Robot - by Fawcett Crest ==<br />
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Hi, re your {{P|205693|PV here}}, this is just a heads-up to point to my discussion with Tom [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Taweiss#Asimov_-_I.2C_Robot Taweiss] regarding Fawcett covers and this {{P|205285|1970 printing}}. You might find something there for yours. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 00:53, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I'll have a look at my copy tonight and see if there is anything to add. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 12:32, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Self-Approver ==<br />
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Hello, as you're in the list of moderators handling my most recent submission, can you please comment on https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Self-Moderation_Request? --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 06:43, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== :) ==<br />
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Thanks for the work you're doing and for fixing the asterisk - don't know how that got in there... Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:59, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Easy fix once I figured out what was wrong, was not obvious at first.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:14, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Signet -> Signet / New American Library ==<br />
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Any objection to changing this to Signet / New American Library<br><br />
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<li>https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?229073</li><br />
</ul>--[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] ([[User talk:Spacecow|talk]]) 04:13, 12 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Please submit the change. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 11:23, 12 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Many thanks! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:56, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I'll have a go at the rest tomorrow if there still on the board. I see what you are doing but in a way that may take a bit of unmerging and re merging. I need to look at all the relevant edits before I proceed. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:06, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Please don't take any actions further to my outstanding edits (apart from approval or not), as I'm aware of everything that needs to be done going forward and I'm tracking it all - what needs to be done in which order. Thanks again, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:26, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK, I'll do them now. As an alternative method just unmerge the publications & rename if necessary, then remerged with the correct title record. Generally this will have less steps. Hope this helps. :)[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:43, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Yes, I tried considering the number of steps involved, trying to work out the most efficient (and I've unmerged/remerged in the past) but I opted for the simple one-step-at-a time approach as the whole thing is quite complex. But thanks for your considerate thought :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:47, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Getting back to my 'pending', I see you've cleared them all. What excellent communication! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:50, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
Happy to help. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:54, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Impressive! Thanks again :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:20, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Incorrect info added to database ==<br />
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Hello Kraang, I am one of the editors of the Brazilian magazine Histórias Extraordinárias. We have published six issues so far. The latest one was published in April 2023 and it has been added recently to the database (submission #5652271).<br />
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I noticed that two more records appeared, probably submitted by someone else but approved by you. They somehow duplicate the info (with much less detail), but incorrectly state that Histórias Extraordinárias is an ANTHOLOGY, which it is not. It is a magazine that publishes new material.<br />
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The incorrect publication records are: #950021 and #950023.<br />
We just launched all six issues in digital versions (PDF) so I believe that the submitter wants to include them. I agree that they should appear as different format, but we should at least just duplicate the existing information (which is "official" and more comprehensive) changing only the format. Can you please help us in this regard once we sort out these two "rogue" records? :)<br />
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The six magazine issues so far are the following:<br />
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{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ Histórias Extraordinárias Magazine<br />
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! Issue number !! detail !! Pub record !! Incorrect<br />
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| Issue 1|| December 2020|| #913217|| #950021<br />
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| Issue 2 || April 2021|| #914003|| #950023<br />
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| Issue 3 || August 2021|| #914004||<br />
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| Issue 4 || December 2021|| #914005||<br />
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| Issue 5 || August 2022|| #915288||<br />
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| Issue 6 || April 2023|| #950024||<br />
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As a side note, the latest issue is not appearing in the publication series #67858. I spotted a difference in how the title is formatted in the Title Record and submitted a change request in order to correct it (submission #5659612). I ask you to please review and apply the suitable correction. Thanks!<br />
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--[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 22:32, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Sorry about the mix-up, if I had realized it was a magazine I would have left it for some one else. I'll have a look at the submission and approve if it looks ok, if I'm uncertain I'll flag it for a mod who deals more with magazines. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:14, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I think the best thing to do is delete the rogue entries and the you can submit a clone of an existing pub with the necessary changes.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:22, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Rogue records have been deleted, just use the cloning option, this way no merging or changing title records is necessary, everything will be where it should be.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:33, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks for your help with the rogue entries! Now I will ask you help with another matter: The latest issue (pub record #950024) does not appear listed along with the previous five. I refer to the page in the link that appears [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?67858 here]. Can you please help with this as well? I don't know what to change in the pub info to link it to the others. Thanks!<br />
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::: Update: I have just submitted a clone request for the first 5 issues, changing the format to ebook and adding the format (PDF) to the notes field. I will do the same to Issue 6 once we sort out the above point. Thanks and have a good day!<br />
:::--[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 13:07, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::All fixed just had to add the series name to the title record.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 18:23, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::Perfect! Thank you very much!! Now I just created the variants for the artworks in the latest issue, and once they are approved, I will clone it to the ebook format. Thank you for all your help!!<br />
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== Not a Variant ==<br />
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Hello Kraang, I recently submitted two title update requests because I noticed a typo in the title of a short sory and its accompaining interiorart.<br />
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Issue 1 of "Histórias Extraordinárias" magazine ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?913217 December 2020]) contains a short story called "Hypnos e Morfeu". However, when inserting the data months ago, I wrote "Morfeu'''s'''" (with an "s") instead of "Morfeu". The story also has an interiorart which received the same name (wrong, with the 's').<br />
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I noticed the error last week and submitted two requests:<br />
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1) Submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5661908 #5661908] to change the short story title (Title Record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3076119 #3076119])<br />
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2) Submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5661909 #5661909] to change the interiorart title (Title Record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3076118 #3076118])<br />
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The titles are shared by the bedsheet and ebook publications (ebook is a clone of the bedsheet).<br />
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However, while for the interiorart it seems all ok, the short story lists the correct name as a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3082550 variant of the old name], which it is not. The old title should be deleted and the corrected title should be kept. We should just correct the typo, not create a variant.<br />
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It currently appears as --> Variant Title of: Hypnos e Morfeus (by Marcus Garrett) [may list more publications, awards, reviews, votes and covers]<br />
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Can you please help with this?<br />
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I believe that deleting [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3082550 this record] would be enough to break this "variant link" but I am not sure, so I am asking for your help.<br />
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Thanks.<br />
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--[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 19:41, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I dropped the "s" on the parent title, but the variant is correct since the short story is written using an alternate name. A variant is created to the parent name "Marcus Garrett".[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:25, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::OK! I stand corrected. Thanks for fixing the issue of the extra "s". All seems to be OK now. Sorry about the inconvenience. Have a nice week! --[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 19:57, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Live Free or Die ==<br />
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Just a note that I fixed a capitalization issue ("or" was recorded as "Or") on your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?304688 verified]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:24, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Abhorsen ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Please keep an eye for the "Language mismatch" warnings when approving imports: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5246823 this] should not have been approved - instead a new cover should have been created for the Dutch books and then varianted. We match the art language to the book language even when the titles are the same. I had unmerged and I am working through a series of these you approved so just dropping you a note. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:54, 30 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zebrowski - Ashes and Stars ==<br />
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Hello, I'm letting you know I'm adding Reginald3 ID# to your PV'd {{P|186781|pub here}}. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 02:08, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Also to {{P|44249|The Monadic Universe}}. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:06, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:If just adding ID's or extra data to notes I'm fine with that , no need to notify me, but thanks anyways. :)[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 16:01, 3 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zebrowski - The Omega Point Trilogy ==<br />
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Hello, with regard to your {{P|93651|Canadian edition}}, I'm assuming that it's essentially the same as the {{P|277309|US edition}} which has pages as viii+295. Does yours have roman numeral numbered pages? If so, I suggest they should be recorded - even though there is/might be no content needing recording - per the pages help guide. What do you think? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:46, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The contents are the same just the cover is different, I'll update the page number. Thanks.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 16:03, 3 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cat People ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5675093; Some confusion here, in case you can clear it up. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:04, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:This was a stray pub, the database was full of them in the early days so I created a title record for it and moved on to the next one. The searching of databases & sellers is a lot easier now with all the links. All fixed now.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 19:41, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zelazny - The Chronicles of Amber: Volume I ==<br />
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Hello, way back when, you moderated the last two submissions for {{T|39628|this title}}. I can't find any justification or source for the date being 1979-01-01 instead of the Doubleday 1979-01-00. What do you think? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:20, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No idea, just slipped in, so I'll make it go back one day to 1979-01-00.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 22:02, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: :) thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:16, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jack Campbell: Invincible ==<br />
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I have a pending submission to remove the series name from your PVed record. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5712286 submission]. Any problem with me finishing the approval? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:15, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No problem change away.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 10:17, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Seedling Stars ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128431; A copy was uploaded to Archive.org last fall so I've added a link in a PENDING edit but neither Open Library or Amazon seem to have the cover so maybe you'd like to upload yours or an online cover that looks like yours. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:46, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Recent approvals. ==<br />
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Greetings Kraang, I've asked a new editor what makes a number of his new publication submissions eligible for inclusion. You may wish to comment [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Twisty#Speculative_Fiction.3F here] since you approved them. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:29, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Hi! It would also be appreciated if you could keep an eye on text lengths. For example, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?959237 this] - with 32 pages - can't be a novel as initially approved (I changed this one to CHAPBOOK). Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:45, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Magazines dating question ==<br />
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Hello Kraang, <br />
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Can you clarify the approved date [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5678636 here]? We date magazines based on their cover date and if another means is used, it needs to be in the notes. That applies to magazines where Amazon may have an exact date as well... I do not see a note explaining the dating. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:18, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Deal so little with magazines I forget about all the different rules, only approved the edit to get the stories. Please change the date to what it should be, I'll try to be more careful with magazine submissions in the future or I might just avoid magazine submissions altogether no matter how correct it looks. THanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 16:17, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: I will work with the editor - they seem to have changed the date similarly in more than one magazine. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:31, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Joe Haldeman / Camouflage - Cover Image ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?63142 Camouflage]. The Amazon image on this pub record is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?351561 Artwork A] whereas my copy has [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1866095 Artwork B]. Can you please check your copy. If you agree, I will scan my cover, upload it and also correct the coverart record. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:56, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Mine has the correct cover image ArtwokA.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:12, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Had a better look & it's similar to ArtworkA but a bit different, but not at all like ArtworkB, will have to upload mine or find new Amazon image. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:17, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Replace image from Amazon with correct cover, will do a scan of covers in the future & replace this and some others.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:22, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::The new Amazon image to which you have linked is the correct cover and it is Artwork B; it's just that the hb cover is much darker than the pb and ebook covers. The image is not ideal because it has the "Copyrighted Material" watermarks at top and bottom. Let me know whether you'd like me to upload and link a scan from my copy or whether you'd prefer to do it yourself. Also, the pub record needs to have the current Artwork A coverart record removed and the Artwork B coverart record imported. Again, please let me know whether you'd like me to submit edits for this or whether you'd prefer to do it yourself. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 11:18, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Please go ahead and upload your cover, plus all the necessary changes. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 12:21, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I have submitted the first 3 of 5 edits. I will submit the last 2 after the first 3 have been processed. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:48, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Gaiman/Pratchett - Ein gutes Omen ==<br />
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Hi,<br />
[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?961539 this submission] of mine was wrong. Don't know what happened there, may have mistakenly pressed enter or a browser hickup. Was intended for the 3rd printing of the Piper edition, which i've entered separately. As the faulty one was approved too, i have corrected it to an entry for the first printing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5722245]. Please take a look. [[User:Welo|Welo]] ([[User talk:Welo|talk]]) 02:57, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No problem approved. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 09:21, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Hounds of God ==<br />
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You recently moderated [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41701 this] publication but did not take account of the note I made in reference to the cover art credit which is still wrong - shows Kevin Eugene Johnson not Steve Crisp. I can't edit the credit to the correct one since it's linked to the 'other' cover (the one by Johnson) that is decidedly not the same as the Steven Crisp cover. Take note that Steven Crisp and Steve Crisp are one and the same person. If you could use your moderation wand to sort that out that'd be great. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 01:15, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:to fix this I'll unmerge the incorrect cover then change to Steven Crisp and last create variant to parent name Steve Crisp.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 10:27, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:There was an existing record for this cover[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1688421] under Steven Crisp name already variated to the parent name so I just merged the two records.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 10:34, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I was aware of the pb edition but, obviously, couldn't edit the incorrect data for the hardback edition. Thanks dfor waving your magic wand over that and sorting it out. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 15:17, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Impact-20 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17894; http://bookscans.com/Publishers/pblib/pblib01.htm; I'd like to replace Impact-20 Amazon cover with Bookscans cover, color is less faded, if that's OK. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:21, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Alpha Yes, Terra No! / The Ballad of Beta-2 ==<br />
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● Can you please check your copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?282001 Alpha Yes, Terra No! / The Ballad of Beta-2]? According to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?968140 Paperback Fantastic, Volume 1: Science Fiction] the cover of <i>The Ballad of Beta-2</i> is by Jack Gaughan, who is credited with <i> Alpha Yes, Terra No!</i> instead. Before permanent credit is assigned, I would like to know. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 23:59, 29 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The crediting is correctly stated but the cover credited to Ed Vligursky does not have the usual red color somewhere on the main character.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 00:22, 30 August 2023 (EDT)</div>
Kraang
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Eggp&diff=669208
User talk:Eggp
2023-08-16T03:30:57Z
<p>Kraang: Created page with "{{welcome}}~~~~"</p>
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<div>{{welcome}}[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:30, 15 August 2023 (EDT)</div>
Kraang
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:TonyHinsdale&diff=668899
User talk:TonyHinsdale
2023-08-11T03:21:53Z
<p>Kraang: Created page with "{{welcome}}~~~~"</p>
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<div>{{welcome}}[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:21, 10 August 2023 (EDT)</div>
Kraang
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Twisty&diff=668610
User talk:Twisty
2023-08-06T13:03:07Z
<p>Kraang: /* Badge of Infamy */</p>
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<div>{{welcome}}[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 22:54, 19 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Skrekkens timer with Invalid ISBN number. ==<br />
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Hi! I've tried several different fixes but the ISBN[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?956895] submitted has 11 digits instead of 10. If this is how it's displayed in the book then I will note the error & move it to a different part of the form. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:21, 19 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::Hi! I'm new to this system, so I not sure if this is the right place to write, or if it is another way to communicate with you. Anyway, the ISBN in book is displayed like this: 82-04-00280-02<br />
I don't know if it is a spell error in the book, but it's just displayed like that with 11 digits.<br />
Best Regards --[[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
:Yes this is the best place to respond, as for the ISBN it should have 10 digits, the first 9 help generate the 10th. If I use the first 9 the last number would be "7",so the correct ISBN would be 8204002807. So far all my attempts to use this number have yielded no positive results. Do you know of any data bases where you are that this ISBN might work? I'll make the changes to the pub to reflect the incorrect ISBN. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:16, 20 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Even the [https://www.isbn-check.de/cgi-bin/checkisbn.pl?isbn=82040028002 ISBN checker] couldn't find a Norwegian variation that is known by Amazon. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 07:48, 27 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:If you need any help go to the Main Wiki Page and leave any questions you may have on the Help Page. Everybody here has different knowledge in different parts of the database.21:30, 20 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::Hello! Sorry for late reply... I really can't find any solution for this ISBN. --[[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
::https://bokelskere.no/bok/skrekkens-timer/291039/; This page shows a different book cover so maybe that's where the bad ISBN really belongs. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:40, 27 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::Actually I have that book - when checking it, I discover the site you are linking to are using wrong cover for the title. It is a double book, 2 books in one but the two titles are different in it - it is "Hevneren fra fortiden" and "Skriket" that are the correct titles for that cover - it is actually two front covers, one at each side of the book that presents the titles in the book. Anyway - the stories in the book are taken from the same series and is published by the same publisher. It is two ISBN in the book and both are different from the site.--[[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
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:::Hello again! According to this site https://www.nb.no/tjenester/standardnummerering/isbn/omregning-10-13-siffers-isbn/, the last number would be 8, so the correct ISBN would be 82-04-00280-8 or 13 digits: 978-82-04-00280-8. Anyway i'm not sure if this will solve the problem... --[[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
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:::Forget my last post. 8 for the last number was for the new 13 digit number and you was right about the control numer 7 for the 10 digit number. I read how to find out now, and you already knew how to do it... --[[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
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== Mörkets demoner ==<br />
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I put the valid ISBN-10 from the nb.no into [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?956894 here]. If the publication has a different (invalid) ISBN, please put a note. Thank You. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 14:30, 27 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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I don't know anything about that - I have the book and just typed the ISBN from the book itself...<br />
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I messed up the price currency symbols by the way - so I will fix it when all my other pending edits is finished...<br />
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I also see you use format tp on the second run on Midnattsgrøsseren - I have used pb on my new added titles and will fix it when they are added to isfdb. I had to check, and see you was right on both format and price currency symbols - I was wrong hahaha - now I learned after some mess...<br />
: There are some pages for help: [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:List_of_currency_symbols List_of_currency_symbols] and [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Format PublicationFields:Format]. You can get some more assistance if You open the blue "?" links beside the field description in the edit page. It would be fine to use the signature link, the third one on the edit bar above (looks like xl). Good luck! --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 22:40, 29 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Yes, I already checked the info :-)<br />
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== Edderkoppen ==<br />
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Thanks for adding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?960503 Edderkoppen]. I added the translator template [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3206005 here] and made the title a variant to the English original. I wasn't sure if you knew to do this yourself, sorry if you did. A note to mod re: your intentions is always welcome. <br />
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There was a problem with your [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:04_Edderkoppen.jpg uploaded image], there was no license tag. All images require a license tag. I added one for you.[https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_upload_images_to_the_ISFDB_wiki#Licensing Here] is the relevant help section. You need to add tags to any other images you have uploaded. In the future, add the image after the publication has been created, then you can use the link on the publication page and it will create the tag for you. Ask if you have questions. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:30, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Actually I don't know how to do a title variant. I can't find any way to do it. I did'nt know about the images license tag either. [[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
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:: No worries, I'll help you. Over the last couple days, I have been reviewing all your earlier new publication submissions. Variants have been created and license tags added to your uploaded images. I'll finish this afternoon. The edits I'm making can only be done after a new publication submission is approved. Here are the two edits I made to the title record of this publication.<br />
::# Add the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5714280 translator template]. Do not type the text. This was the exact entry <nowiki>{{Tr|Helge Skolem}}</nowiki>, the software generated the text.<br />
::# Link the translation to the original. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5714281 Here] is the submission. [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:MakeVariant This] is the relevant help section.<br />
::# Upload the images. From now on. Go to the publication record and you will see "Upload new cover scan". This will automatically create a license tag while you upload the image.<br />
:: We have a few conventions when posting on the wiki. Notice how I added a colon to your post and two colons to my response. This automatically indents the posts to make it easier to follow. Take a moment to read [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Wiki_Conventions#General_discussion_conventions general discussion conventions]. <br />
::Post a note to moderator in new pub submissions you intend to do steps 1 and 2 above. Until then, I'll monitor your submissions and add as needed. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:04, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Thanks for the information - I understand I have to learn alot, so I will not upload picture before after I added a new publication. I will take some time reading before I add more titles in hope I don't do so much errors in future... But I am still a newbie so probably I will do some more errors before I get experienced. By the way, I see I still have som pending submissions that are done same way as my other submissions... [[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
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== Norwegian Legend ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5714526; I added some links to Matheson books today and noticed this one you entered recently; it wasn't made a variant of the original English title so I've done that in the above PENDING edit. You may want to add translator to title record because there's a yellow warning about it being missing. EDIT: I see that you entered many books by the same publisher, some made a variant of the English title, some not, so I assume you'll eventually variant all of them; I cancelled my edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:35, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Fem fæle fortellinger ==<br />
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I corrected the Publication type of your verified publication. Please check the lengths of the content titles. A few look longer than short story. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:44, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Speculative Fiction? ==<br />
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What makes all [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?70382 these publications] eligible for inclusion? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:22, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:They appear to be based on the film [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobra_(1986_film) ''Cobra'']. I've never seen the film, and the plot summary doesn't really give any speculative elements. Do the later books in the series have speculative elements? These don't appear to have ever been published in English, so I can't tell. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:28, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Was going to check with the submitter, the first few seemed fine but the rest appear a bit suspect. Will wait to see what Twisty has to say and if they need to be deleted then they will be deleted.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:18, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Do the covers have anything to do with the books? This one has a Conan cover[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?960594] on a Cobra series book.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:22, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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I understand why you are suspicious, because these are really strange publications. I think they only are written in norwegian and sold in Norway, but I not sure - they are very hard to get, I just got ten of the twelwe books. I did not read them yet, but from what other have said that read them is: <br />
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The only thing they have in common with the movie is the name Cobra. The hero in the book is called Acorn Slaughter, in the film it is Marion Cobretti. These books are very pornographic in content. <br />
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The covers have nothing to do with the books - They have used images from Stallone's films, private life and of his then girlfriend Birgitte Nielsen. The story behind these choices could be interesting to hear.<br />
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In the second reprint of this book series, they even used picture of Mel Gibson from Lethal Weapon as a front cover for one of the books.<br />
[[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
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::: Since you haven't read them and can't point to anything that indicates they belong, I think they should be deleted. If you read them and then think one or all belong, they can always be reentered. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:52, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Belong to what? I don't understand what you mean. Also about speculative elements - what do you mean? These are books I have - it's not like I making up books that not exist? It's an serie for 12 books with same character in it - it's a synopsis on the back of every book. It is just the covers for the book that are crazy and don't match the content in the books. I don't understand the problem? Is there a point I have missed somewhere? Please explain... [[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
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::::This is a speculative fiction website, horror, SF, fantasy, no crime or other realistic fiction. Some major genre authors get non-genre books added if people feel like entering them to make their records more complete but the author of these books is not major. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:10, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::As Username noted, the ISFDB catalogs science fiction, fantasy, horror, and alternate history printed works, as well as non-fiction works about those areas. We would like to know if these books have any science fiction, fantasy, horror, or alternate history elements in them. If they do, then they can definitely be cataloged here. If they do not, they should be removed. You can see more at [[SCOPE]]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:39, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Oh my! I did'nt know that - now I feel stupid! Then it not belong, because it's crime/action. I will also remove the Rambo books that is still pending adds. Well, then I will only add science fiction and horror from now on. I'm sorry for the mess I made about this. [[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
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::::: No apologies necessary, I'm glad you understand. I'll take care of removing them and the image uploads. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:49, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Beyond the Beyond variant submissions ==<br />
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Hi! I've put these submissions on hold to think about if this is the correct way of dealing with them. I may post something about it on the moderator board in a day or so if I don't think of anything. In the meantime could you submit variants for the last two novelettes in the second book[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?962721]. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:52, 29 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Yeah, I understand - I was a little unsure myself. But both books itself states the original title is "Beyond the Beyond". Thats why I also did what I did. It was the same problem for the title "Beyond the curtain of dark" that was translated into three different books in the "Midnattsgrøsseren" series. All three books there are now title variant from the book "Beyond the curtain of dark". I will submit variants for the last two novelettes in the second book now. [[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
::I'm going to approve the submission and add some notes to to parent title record about the split nature of the Norwegian books. I see only two of the books "Beyond the curtain of dark"[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?35788] have been made into variants, is this the third[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3210776]? If it is than could you add some notes or contents to it? Thanks.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 10:25, 30 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The thing is I don't know for sure yet about the title "Kontrakt med djevelen". But since it is between the other two books and there still is missing 8 or 9 stories from "Beyond the curtain of dark", I guess or am pretty sure it is a third book or the second chronology to have translations from the book "Beyond the curtain of dark". When I get my hands on it I will update the information at once. I have a place who maybe have the book, but I have to wait until his vacation is finished before he finds out if he have that book. I don't want to add any more information on the title before i'm sure on the content. [[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
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== Mörkets demoner ==<br />
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I found Your pv publication [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?956894 here] and I wonder about the different spelling of the Publication Title from the Anthology Title. The right one would be that from the title page inside the book. Could You please take a look? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 12:12, 30 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The title page inside the book title this title "Mørkets demoner". Actually, I thought I had updated it, I will do now - thanks for saying! --[[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
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== Spennende timer med Bloch og Bradbury ==<br />
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I see that you added the translators for your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?962940 verified] - thanks for that. Do you know how to connect the stories to their original records (as I do not see them submitted in the queue, I am stopping by to ask if you need assistance with these). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:26, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Hello! I know how to connect the stories to their original - I am working on the science fiction series, but waiting for pending edits before do new changes - I will connect all my pending edits to their originals... [[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
:: Just making sure :) Just so you know - you can submit both the EditTitle and the MakeVariant at the same time - they do not clash. I tend to do that when working translations - or things get left behind. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:25, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mot evig natt ==<br />
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I rewrote your note [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?961749 here] and changed the year of the publication based on that. While it is technically possible for this not to be true, this series is not known for publishing the books in weird order so I'd call it a sure bet that is is 1971. :) Let me know if you have any questions/concerns! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:31, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I was going to do that myself, but now I don't need to :-) [[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
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== Slaters planet ==<br />
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When you create a new book, you specify only one date and it becomes the date for both the publication record and all the newly created title record. Once they are created, they become independent. So when you are changing the date of the book such as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?962014 here], you need to manually adjust the date of the title(s) as well when needed (if a title record is used in more than one publication, the title will need to have the earliest pub date; if it is just one as here, you want to adjust to the date you just changed the publication to). In the latter case you can do that with the EditPublication - you just need to scroll down and change the date in the other field as well. In both cases you can do an EditTitle -- which is what I did here. Let me know if you have any questions. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:36, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I see, you mean the date in Regular title field? [[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
:: Yep. And the one of any story in a collection in the same section (if they are greyed out, that means they are used in more than one place - so you need to go to the title record itself). Same for the coverart record if one was added (people always forget the cover). The same applies if you want to change the title as well -- once created each title record is on its own and changing a publication title/author/date, does not change them :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:26, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:About the collection i'm a little unsure for the translated title - because I don't know if it has been published more places in different norwegian books, so I just leave it blank until I know. Coverart is also a little difficult in these norwegian publications, because they never credit the artist, but if they do, I will see what I can do about it... Still new to this site, but not as new as before... [[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
:: Which is fine - a lot of collections are local and never get a parent. Which is fine. And yes - covers credits are... weird. I mentioned them for the cases where they are added already - as you need to adjust their dates as well. But if we do not know them, nothing needs to be done. <br />
:: You are doing very well - translations and magazines are our hardest spots in the DB so most international editors have a big challenge from day 1. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:58, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Badge of Infamy ==<br />
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Hi! It appears the original title is a shortfiction novella so the book "Pesten" should have been entered as a CHAPBOOK. I'll have to reject the submission or you can reject it yourself. I can walk you through the process of changing the title[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3212639] in question into a CHAPBOOK, it can be done in one edit, let me know and I'll provide the steps involved. Thanks.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:57, 5 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Yeah, thanks for telling me. I was a little unsure on this, I will change it to CHAPBOOK now and then make a variant title again. Shall I change the regular title to shortfiction and length to novella? [[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
::The change was correct, just have to do the variants, one for the CHAPBOOK & the shortfiction.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 07:16, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Ah, I need to do for both. It's only one story in this book so they will be linked to same title. [[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
:I get this uncommon title combination when trying to make variant, and if I link it to another CHAPBOOK i will get a mismatch on the year, so I not sure how to link the main title... [[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
::It's first appearance in English as a chapbook was 1976 and in German 1974 your submission that you cancelled was correct[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5734077] in this case, so I'll unreject it and approve.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 09:03, 6 August 2023 (EDT)</div>
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Twisty&diff=668599
User talk:Twisty
2023-08-06T11:16:32Z
<p>Kraang: /* Badge of Infamy */</p>
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<div>{{welcome}}[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 22:54, 19 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Skrekkens timer with Invalid ISBN number. ==<br />
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Hi! I've tried several different fixes but the ISBN[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?956895] submitted has 11 digits instead of 10. If this is how it's displayed in the book then I will note the error & move it to a different part of the form. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:21, 19 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::Hi! I'm new to this system, so I not sure if this is the right place to write, or if it is another way to communicate with you. Anyway, the ISBN in book is displayed like this: 82-04-00280-02<br />
I don't know if it is a spell error in the book, but it's just displayed like that with 11 digits.<br />
Best Regards --[[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
:Yes this is the best place to respond, as for the ISBN it should have 10 digits, the first 9 help generate the 10th. If I use the first 9 the last number would be "7",so the correct ISBN would be 8204002807. So far all my attempts to use this number have yielded no positive results. Do you know of any data bases where you are that this ISBN might work? I'll make the changes to the pub to reflect the incorrect ISBN. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:16, 20 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Even the [https://www.isbn-check.de/cgi-bin/checkisbn.pl?isbn=82040028002 ISBN checker] couldn't find a Norwegian variation that is known by Amazon. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 07:48, 27 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:If you need any help go to the Main Wiki Page and leave any questions you may have on the Help Page. Everybody here has different knowledge in different parts of the database.21:30, 20 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::Hello! Sorry for late reply... I really can't find any solution for this ISBN. --[[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
::https://bokelskere.no/bok/skrekkens-timer/291039/; This page shows a different book cover so maybe that's where the bad ISBN really belongs. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:40, 27 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::Actually I have that book - when checking it, I discover the site you are linking to are using wrong cover for the title. It is a double book, 2 books in one but the two titles are different in it - it is "Hevneren fra fortiden" and "Skriket" that are the correct titles for that cover - it is actually two front covers, one at each side of the book that presents the titles in the book. Anyway - the stories in the book are taken from the same series and is published by the same publisher. It is two ISBN in the book and both are different from the site.--[[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
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:::Hello again! According to this site https://www.nb.no/tjenester/standardnummerering/isbn/omregning-10-13-siffers-isbn/, the last number would be 8, so the correct ISBN would be 82-04-00280-8 or 13 digits: 978-82-04-00280-8. Anyway i'm not sure if this will solve the problem... --[[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
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:::Forget my last post. 8 for the last number was for the new 13 digit number and you was right about the control numer 7 for the 10 digit number. I read how to find out now, and you already knew how to do it... --[[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
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== Mörkets demoner ==<br />
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I put the valid ISBN-10 from the nb.no into [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?956894 here]. If the publication has a different (invalid) ISBN, please put a note. Thank You. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 14:30, 27 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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I don't know anything about that - I have the book and just typed the ISBN from the book itself...<br />
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I messed up the price currency symbols by the way - so I will fix it when all my other pending edits is finished...<br />
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I also see you use format tp on the second run on Midnattsgrøsseren - I have used pb on my new added titles and will fix it when they are added to isfdb. I had to check, and see you was right on both format and price currency symbols - I was wrong hahaha - now I learned after some mess...<br />
: There are some pages for help: [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:List_of_currency_symbols List_of_currency_symbols] and [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Format PublicationFields:Format]. You can get some more assistance if You open the blue "?" links beside the field description in the edit page. It would be fine to use the signature link, the third one on the edit bar above (looks like xl). Good luck! --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 22:40, 29 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Yes, I already checked the info :-)<br />
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== Edderkoppen ==<br />
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Thanks for adding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?960503 Edderkoppen]. I added the translator template [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3206005 here] and made the title a variant to the English original. I wasn't sure if you knew to do this yourself, sorry if you did. A note to mod re: your intentions is always welcome. <br />
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There was a problem with your [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:04_Edderkoppen.jpg uploaded image], there was no license tag. All images require a license tag. I added one for you.[https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_upload_images_to_the_ISFDB_wiki#Licensing Here] is the relevant help section. You need to add tags to any other images you have uploaded. In the future, add the image after the publication has been created, then you can use the link on the publication page and it will create the tag for you. Ask if you have questions. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:30, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Actually I don't know how to do a title variant. I can't find any way to do it. I did'nt know about the images license tag either. [[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
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:: No worries, I'll help you. Over the last couple days, I have been reviewing all your earlier new publication submissions. Variants have been created and license tags added to your uploaded images. I'll finish this afternoon. The edits I'm making can only be done after a new publication submission is approved. Here are the two edits I made to the title record of this publication.<br />
::# Add the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5714280 translator template]. Do not type the text. This was the exact entry <nowiki>{{Tr|Helge Skolem}}</nowiki>, the software generated the text.<br />
::# Link the translation to the original. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5714281 Here] is the submission. [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:MakeVariant This] is the relevant help section.<br />
::# Upload the images. From now on. Go to the publication record and you will see "Upload new cover scan". This will automatically create a license tag while you upload the image.<br />
:: We have a few conventions when posting on the wiki. Notice how I added a colon to your post and two colons to my response. This automatically indents the posts to make it easier to follow. Take a moment to read [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Wiki_Conventions#General_discussion_conventions general discussion conventions]. <br />
::Post a note to moderator in new pub submissions you intend to do steps 1 and 2 above. Until then, I'll monitor your submissions and add as needed. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:04, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Thanks for the information - I understand I have to learn alot, so I will not upload picture before after I added a new publication. I will take some time reading before I add more titles in hope I don't do so much errors in future... But I am still a newbie so probably I will do some more errors before I get experienced. By the way, I see I still have som pending submissions that are done same way as my other submissions... [[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
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== Norwegian Legend ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5714526; I added some links to Matheson books today and noticed this one you entered recently; it wasn't made a variant of the original English title so I've done that in the above PENDING edit. You may want to add translator to title record because there's a yellow warning about it being missing. EDIT: I see that you entered many books by the same publisher, some made a variant of the English title, some not, so I assume you'll eventually variant all of them; I cancelled my edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:35, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Fem fæle fortellinger ==<br />
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I corrected the Publication type of your verified publication. Please check the lengths of the content titles. A few look longer than short story. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:44, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Speculative Fiction? ==<br />
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What makes all [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?70382 these publications] eligible for inclusion? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:22, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:They appear to be based on the film [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobra_(1986_film) ''Cobra'']. I've never seen the film, and the plot summary doesn't really give any speculative elements. Do the later books in the series have speculative elements? These don't appear to have ever been published in English, so I can't tell. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:28, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Was going to check with the submitter, the first few seemed fine but the rest appear a bit suspect. Will wait to see what Twisty has to say and if they need to be deleted then they will be deleted.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:18, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Do the covers have anything to do with the books? This one has a Conan cover[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?960594] on a Cobra series book.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:22, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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I understand why you are suspicious, because these are really strange publications. I think they only are written in norwegian and sold in Norway, but I not sure - they are very hard to get, I just got ten of the twelwe books. I did not read them yet, but from what other have said that read them is: <br />
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The only thing they have in common with the movie is the name Cobra. The hero in the book is called Acorn Slaughter, in the film it is Marion Cobretti. These books are very pornographic in content. <br />
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The covers have nothing to do with the books - They have used images from Stallone's films, private life and of his then girlfriend Birgitte Nielsen. The story behind these choices could be interesting to hear.<br />
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In the second reprint of this book series, they even used picture of Mel Gibson from Lethal Weapon as a front cover for one of the books.<br />
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::: Since you haven't read them and can't point to anything that indicates they belong, I think they should be deleted. If you read them and then think one or all belong, they can always be reentered. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:52, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Belong to what? I don't understand what you mean. Also about speculative elements - what do you mean? These are books I have - it's not like I making up books that not exist? It's an serie for 12 books with same character in it - it's a synopsis on the back of every book. It is just the covers for the book that are crazy and don't match the content in the books. I don't understand the problem? Is there a point I have missed somewhere? Please explain... [[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
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::::This is a speculative fiction website, horror, SF, fantasy, no crime or other realistic fiction. Some major genre authors get non-genre books added if people feel like entering them to make their records more complete but the author of these books is not major. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:10, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::As Username noted, the ISFDB catalogs science fiction, fantasy, horror, and alternate history printed works, as well as non-fiction works about those areas. We would like to know if these books have any science fiction, fantasy, horror, or alternate history elements in them. If they do, then they can definitely be cataloged here. If they do not, they should be removed. You can see more at [[SCOPE]]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:39, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Oh my! I did'nt know that - now I feel stupid! Then it not belong, because it's crime/action. I will also remove the Rambo books that is still pending adds. Well, then I will only add science fiction and horror from now on. I'm sorry for the mess I made about this. [[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
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::::: No apologies necessary, I'm glad you understand. I'll take care of removing them and the image uploads. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:49, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Beyond the Beyond variant submissions ==<br />
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Hi! I've put these submissions on hold to think about if this is the correct way of dealing with them. I may post something about it on the moderator board in a day or so if I don't think of anything. In the meantime could you submit variants for the last two novelettes in the second book[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?962721]. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:52, 29 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Yeah, I understand - I was a little unsure myself. But both books itself states the original title is "Beyond the Beyond". Thats why I also did what I did. It was the same problem for the title "Beyond the curtain of dark" that was translated into three different books in the "Midnattsgrøsseren" series. All three books there are now title variant from the book "Beyond the curtain of dark". I will submit variants for the last two novelettes in the second book now. [[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
::I'm going to approve the submission and add some notes to to parent title record about the split nature of the Norwegian books. I see only two of the books "Beyond the curtain of dark"[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?35788] have been made into variants, is this the third[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3210776]? If it is than could you add some notes or contents to it? Thanks.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 10:25, 30 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The thing is I don't know for sure yet about the title "Kontrakt med djevelen". But since it is between the other two books and there still is missing 8 or 9 stories from "Beyond the curtain of dark", I guess or am pretty sure it is a third book or the second chronology to have translations from the book "Beyond the curtain of dark". When I get my hands on it I will update the information at once. I have a place who maybe have the book, but I have to wait until his vacation is finished before he finds out if he have that book. I don't want to add any more information on the title before i'm sure on the content. [[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
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== Mörkets demoner ==<br />
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I found Your pv publication [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?956894 here] and I wonder about the different spelling of the Publication Title from the Anthology Title. The right one would be that from the title page inside the book. Could You please take a look? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 12:12, 30 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The title page inside the book title this title "Mørkets demoner". Actually, I thought I had updated it, I will do now - thanks for saying! --[[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
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== Spennende timer med Bloch og Bradbury ==<br />
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I see that you added the translators for your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?962940 verified] - thanks for that. Do you know how to connect the stories to their original records (as I do not see them submitted in the queue, I am stopping by to ask if you need assistance with these). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:26, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Hello! I know how to connect the stories to their original - I am working on the science fiction series, but waiting for pending edits before do new changes - I will connect all my pending edits to their originals... [[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
:: Just making sure :) Just so you know - you can submit both the EditTitle and the MakeVariant at the same time - they do not clash. I tend to do that when working translations - or things get left behind. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:25, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mot evig natt ==<br />
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I rewrote your note [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?961749 here] and changed the year of the publication based on that. While it is technically possible for this not to be true, this series is not known for publishing the books in weird order so I'd call it a sure bet that is is 1971. :) Let me know if you have any questions/concerns! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:31, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I was going to do that myself, but now I don't need to :-) [[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
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== Slaters planet ==<br />
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When you create a new book, you specify only one date and it becomes the date for both the publication record and all the newly created title record. Once they are created, they become independent. So when you are changing the date of the book such as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?962014 here], you need to manually adjust the date of the title(s) as well when needed (if a title record is used in more than one publication, the title will need to have the earliest pub date; if it is just one as here, you want to adjust to the date you just changed the publication to). In the latter case you can do that with the EditPublication - you just need to scroll down and change the date in the other field as well. In both cases you can do an EditTitle -- which is what I did here. Let me know if you have any questions. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:36, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I see, you mean the date in Regular title field? [[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
:: Yep. And the one of any story in a collection in the same section (if they are greyed out, that means they are used in more than one place - so you need to go to the title record itself). Same for the coverart record if one was added (people always forget the cover). The same applies if you want to change the title as well -- once created each title record is on its own and changing a publication title/author/date, does not change them :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:26, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:About the collection i'm a little unsure for the translated title - because I don't know if it has been published more places in different norwegian books, so I just leave it blank until I know. Coverart is also a little difficult in these norwegian publications, because they never credit the artist, but if they do, I will see what I can do about it... Still new to this site, but not as new as before... [[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
:: Which is fine - a lot of collections are local and never get a parent. Which is fine. And yes - covers credits are... weird. I mentioned them for the cases where they are added already - as you need to adjust their dates as well. But if we do not know them, nothing needs to be done. <br />
:: You are doing very well - translations and magazines are our hardest spots in the DB so most international editors have a big challenge from day 1. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:58, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Badge of Infamy ==<br />
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Hi! It appears the original title is a shortfiction novella so the book "Pesten" should have been entered as a CHAPBOOK. I'll have to reject the submission or you can reject it yourself. I can walk you through the process of changing the title[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3212639] in question into a CHAPBOOK, it can be done in one edit, let me know and I'll provide the steps involved. Thanks.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:57, 5 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Yeah, thanks for telling me. I was a little unsure on this, I will change it to CHAPBOOK now and then make a variant title again. Shall I change the regular title to shortfiction and length to novella? [[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
::The change was correct, just have to do the variants, one for the CHAPBOOK & the shortfiction.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 07:16, 6 August 2023 (EDT)</div>
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Twisty&diff=668587
User talk:Twisty
2023-08-06T03:57:36Z
<p>Kraang: /* Badge of Infamy */ new section</p>
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<div>{{welcome}}[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 22:54, 19 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Skrekkens timer with Invalid ISBN number. ==<br />
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Hi! I've tried several different fixes but the ISBN[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?956895] submitted has 11 digits instead of 10. If this is how it's displayed in the book then I will note the error & move it to a different part of the form. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:21, 19 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::Hi! I'm new to this system, so I not sure if this is the right place to write, or if it is another way to communicate with you. Anyway, the ISBN in book is displayed like this: 82-04-00280-02<br />
I don't know if it is a spell error in the book, but it's just displayed like that with 11 digits.<br />
Best Regards --[[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
:Yes this is the best place to respond, as for the ISBN it should have 10 digits, the first 9 help generate the 10th. If I use the first 9 the last number would be "7",so the correct ISBN would be 8204002807. So far all my attempts to use this number have yielded no positive results. Do you know of any data bases where you are that this ISBN might work? I'll make the changes to the pub to reflect the incorrect ISBN. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:16, 20 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Even the [https://www.isbn-check.de/cgi-bin/checkisbn.pl?isbn=82040028002 ISBN checker] couldn't find a Norwegian variation that is known by Amazon. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 07:48, 27 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:If you need any help go to the Main Wiki Page and leave any questions you may have on the Help Page. Everybody here has different knowledge in different parts of the database.21:30, 20 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::Hello! Sorry for late reply... I really can't find any solution for this ISBN. --[[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
::https://bokelskere.no/bok/skrekkens-timer/291039/; This page shows a different book cover so maybe that's where the bad ISBN really belongs. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:40, 27 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::Actually I have that book - when checking it, I discover the site you are linking to are using wrong cover for the title. It is a double book, 2 books in one but the two titles are different in it - it is "Hevneren fra fortiden" and "Skriket" that are the correct titles for that cover - it is actually two front covers, one at each side of the book that presents the titles in the book. Anyway - the stories in the book are taken from the same series and is published by the same publisher. It is two ISBN in the book and both are different from the site.--[[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
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:::Hello again! According to this site https://www.nb.no/tjenester/standardnummerering/isbn/omregning-10-13-siffers-isbn/, the last number would be 8, so the correct ISBN would be 82-04-00280-8 or 13 digits: 978-82-04-00280-8. Anyway i'm not sure if this will solve the problem... --[[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
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:::Forget my last post. 8 for the last number was for the new 13 digit number and you was right about the control numer 7 for the 10 digit number. I read how to find out now, and you already knew how to do it... --[[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
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== Mörkets demoner ==<br />
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I put the valid ISBN-10 from the nb.no into [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?956894 here]. If the publication has a different (invalid) ISBN, please put a note. Thank You. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 14:30, 27 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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I don't know anything about that - I have the book and just typed the ISBN from the book itself...<br />
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I messed up the price currency symbols by the way - so I will fix it when all my other pending edits is finished...<br />
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I also see you use format tp on the second run on Midnattsgrøsseren - I have used pb on my new added titles and will fix it when they are added to isfdb. I had to check, and see you was right on both format and price currency symbols - I was wrong hahaha - now I learned after some mess...<br />
: There are some pages for help: [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:List_of_currency_symbols List_of_currency_symbols] and [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Format PublicationFields:Format]. You can get some more assistance if You open the blue "?" links beside the field description in the edit page. It would be fine to use the signature link, the third one on the edit bar above (looks like xl). Good luck! --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 22:40, 29 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Yes, I already checked the info :-)<br />
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== Edderkoppen ==<br />
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Thanks for adding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?960503 Edderkoppen]. I added the translator template [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3206005 here] and made the title a variant to the English original. I wasn't sure if you knew to do this yourself, sorry if you did. A note to mod re: your intentions is always welcome. <br />
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There was a problem with your [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:04_Edderkoppen.jpg uploaded image], there was no license tag. All images require a license tag. I added one for you.[https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_upload_images_to_the_ISFDB_wiki#Licensing Here] is the relevant help section. You need to add tags to any other images you have uploaded. In the future, add the image after the publication has been created, then you can use the link on the publication page and it will create the tag for you. Ask if you have questions. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:30, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Actually I don't know how to do a title variant. I can't find any way to do it. I did'nt know about the images license tag either. [[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
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:: No worries, I'll help you. Over the last couple days, I have been reviewing all your earlier new publication submissions. Variants have been created and license tags added to your uploaded images. I'll finish this afternoon. The edits I'm making can only be done after a new publication submission is approved. Here are the two edits I made to the title record of this publication.<br />
::# Add the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5714280 translator template]. Do not type the text. This was the exact entry <nowiki>{{Tr|Helge Skolem}}</nowiki>, the software generated the text.<br />
::# Link the translation to the original. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5714281 Here] is the submission. [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:MakeVariant This] is the relevant help section.<br />
::# Upload the images. From now on. Go to the publication record and you will see "Upload new cover scan". This will automatically create a license tag while you upload the image.<br />
:: We have a few conventions when posting on the wiki. Notice how I added a colon to your post and two colons to my response. This automatically indents the posts to make it easier to follow. Take a moment to read [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Wiki_Conventions#General_discussion_conventions general discussion conventions]. <br />
::Post a note to moderator in new pub submissions you intend to do steps 1 and 2 above. Until then, I'll monitor your submissions and add as needed. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:04, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Thanks for the information - I understand I have to learn alot, so I will not upload picture before after I added a new publication. I will take some time reading before I add more titles in hope I don't do so much errors in future... But I am still a newbie so probably I will do some more errors before I get experienced. By the way, I see I still have som pending submissions that are done same way as my other submissions... [[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
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== Norwegian Legend ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5714526; I added some links to Matheson books today and noticed this one you entered recently; it wasn't made a variant of the original English title so I've done that in the above PENDING edit. You may want to add translator to title record because there's a yellow warning about it being missing. EDIT: I see that you entered many books by the same publisher, some made a variant of the English title, some not, so I assume you'll eventually variant all of them; I cancelled my edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:35, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Fem fæle fortellinger ==<br />
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I corrected the Publication type of your verified publication. Please check the lengths of the content titles. A few look longer than short story. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:44, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Speculative Fiction? ==<br />
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What makes all [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?70382 these publications] eligible for inclusion? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:22, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:They appear to be based on the film [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobra_(1986_film) ''Cobra'']. I've never seen the film, and the plot summary doesn't really give any speculative elements. Do the later books in the series have speculative elements? These don't appear to have ever been published in English, so I can't tell. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:28, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Was going to check with the submitter, the first few seemed fine but the rest appear a bit suspect. Will wait to see what Twisty has to say and if they need to be deleted then they will be deleted.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:18, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Do the covers have anything to do with the books? This one has a Conan cover[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?960594] on a Cobra series book.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:22, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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I understand why you are suspicious, because these are really strange publications. I think they only are written in norwegian and sold in Norway, but I not sure - they are very hard to get, I just got ten of the twelwe books. I did not read them yet, but from what other have said that read them is: <br />
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The only thing they have in common with the movie is the name Cobra. The hero in the book is called Acorn Slaughter, in the film it is Marion Cobretti. These books are very pornographic in content. <br />
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The covers have nothing to do with the books - They have used images from Stallone's films, private life and of his then girlfriend Birgitte Nielsen. The story behind these choices could be interesting to hear.<br />
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In the second reprint of this book series, they even used picture of Mel Gibson from Lethal Weapon as a front cover for one of the books.<br />
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::: Since you haven't read them and can't point to anything that indicates they belong, I think they should be deleted. If you read them and then think one or all belong, they can always be reentered. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:52, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Belong to what? I don't understand what you mean. Also about speculative elements - what do you mean? These are books I have - it's not like I making up books that not exist? It's an serie for 12 books with same character in it - it's a synopsis on the back of every book. It is just the covers for the book that are crazy and don't match the content in the books. I don't understand the problem? Is there a point I have missed somewhere? Please explain... [[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
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::::This is a speculative fiction website, horror, SF, fantasy, no crime or other realistic fiction. Some major genre authors get non-genre books added if people feel like entering them to make their records more complete but the author of these books is not major. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:10, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::As Username noted, the ISFDB catalogs science fiction, fantasy, horror, and alternate history printed works, as well as non-fiction works about those areas. We would like to know if these books have any science fiction, fantasy, horror, or alternate history elements in them. If they do, then they can definitely be cataloged here. If they do not, they should be removed. You can see more at [[SCOPE]]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:39, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Oh my! I did'nt know that - now I feel stupid! Then it not belong, because it's crime/action. I will also remove the Rambo books that is still pending adds. Well, then I will only add science fiction and horror from now on. I'm sorry for the mess I made about this. [[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
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::::: No apologies necessary, I'm glad you understand. I'll take care of removing them and the image uploads. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:49, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Beyond the Beyond variant submissions ==<br />
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Hi! I've put these submissions on hold to think about if this is the correct way of dealing with them. I may post something about it on the moderator board in a day or so if I don't think of anything. In the meantime could you submit variants for the last two novelettes in the second book[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?962721]. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:52, 29 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Yeah, I understand - I was a little unsure myself. But both books itself states the original title is "Beyond the Beyond". Thats why I also did what I did. It was the same problem for the title "Beyond the curtain of dark" that was translated into three different books in the "Midnattsgrøsseren" series. All three books there are now title variant from the book "Beyond the curtain of dark". I will submit variants for the last two novelettes in the second book now. [[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
::I'm going to approve the submission and add some notes to to parent title record about the split nature of the Norwegian books. I see only two of the books "Beyond the curtain of dark"[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?35788] have been made into variants, is this the third[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3210776]? If it is than could you add some notes or contents to it? Thanks.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 10:25, 30 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The thing is I don't know for sure yet about the title "Kontrakt med djevelen". But since it is between the other two books and there still is missing 8 or 9 stories from "Beyond the curtain of dark", I guess or am pretty sure it is a third book or the second chronology to have translations from the book "Beyond the curtain of dark". When I get my hands on it I will update the information at once. I have a place who maybe have the book, but I have to wait until his vacation is finished before he finds out if he have that book. I don't want to add any more information on the title before i'm sure on the content. [[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
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== Mörkets demoner ==<br />
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I found Your pv publication [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?956894 here] and I wonder about the different spelling of the Publication Title from the Anthology Title. The right one would be that from the title page inside the book. Could You please take a look? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 12:12, 30 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The title page inside the book title this title "Mørkets demoner". Actually, I thought I had updated it, I will do now - thanks for saying! --[[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
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== Spennende timer med Bloch og Bradbury ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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I see that you added the translators for your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?962940 verified] - thanks for that. Do you know how to connect the stories to their original records (as I do not see them submitted in the queue, I am stopping by to ask if you need assistance with these). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:26, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Hello! I know how to connect the stories to their original - I am working on the science fiction series, but waiting for pending edits before do new changes - I will connect all my pending edits to their originals... [[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
:: Just making sure :) Just so you know - you can submit both the EditTitle and the MakeVariant at the same time - they do not clash. I tend to do that when working translations - or things get left behind. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:25, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mot evig natt ==<br />
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I rewrote your note [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?961749 here] and changed the year of the publication based on that. While it is technically possible for this not to be true, this series is not known for publishing the books in weird order so I'd call it a sure bet that is is 1971. :) Let me know if you have any questions/concerns! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:31, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I was going to do that myself, but now I don't need to :-) [[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
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== Slaters planet ==<br />
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When you create a new book, you specify only one date and it becomes the date for both the publication record and all the newly created title record. Once they are created, they become independent. So when you are changing the date of the book such as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?962014 here], you need to manually adjust the date of the title(s) as well when needed (if a title record is used in more than one publication, the title will need to have the earliest pub date; if it is just one as here, you want to adjust to the date you just changed the publication to). In the latter case you can do that with the EditPublication - you just need to scroll down and change the date in the other field as well. In both cases you can do an EditTitle -- which is what I did here. Let me know if you have any questions. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:36, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I see, you mean the date in Regular title field? [[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
:: Yep. And the one of any story in a collection in the same section (if they are greyed out, that means they are used in more than one place - so you need to go to the title record itself). Same for the coverart record if one was added (people always forget the cover). The same applies if you want to change the title as well -- once created each title record is on its own and changing a publication title/author/date, does not change them :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:26, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:About the collection i'm a little unsure for the translated title - because I don't know if it has been published more places in different norwegian books, so I just leave it blank until I know. Coverart is also a little difficult in these norwegian publications, because they never credit the artist, but if they do, I will see what I can do about it... Still new to this site, but not as new as before... [[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
:: Which is fine - a lot of collections are local and never get a parent. Which is fine. And yes - covers credits are... weird. I mentioned them for the cases where they are added already - as you need to adjust their dates as well. But if we do not know them, nothing needs to be done. <br />
:: You are doing very well - translations and magazines are our hardest spots in the DB so most international editors have a big challenge from day 1. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:58, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Badge of Infamy ==<br />
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Hi! It appears the original title is a shortfiction novella so the book "Pesten" should have been entered as a CHAPBOOK. I'll have to reject the submission or you can reject it yourself. I can walk you through the process of changing the title[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3212639] in question into a CHAPBOOK, it can be done in one edit, let me know and I'll provide the steps involved. Thanks.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:57, 5 August 2023 (EDT)</div>
Kraang
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Advme928&diff=668350
User talk:Advme928
2023-08-02T02:59:26Z
<p>Kraang: Created page with "{{welcome}}~~~~"</p>
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<div>{{welcome}}[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 22:59, 1 August 2023 (EDT)</div>
Kraang
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:K.s.hardy&diff=668202
User talk:K.s.hardy
2023-07-30T20:10:35Z
<p>Kraang: Created page with "{{welcome}}~~~~"</p>
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<div>{{welcome}}[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 16:10, 30 July 2023 (EDT)</div>
Kraang
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Twisty&diff=668189
User talk:Twisty
2023-07-30T14:25:08Z
<p>Kraang: /* Beyond the Beyond variant submissions */</p>
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<div>{{welcome}}[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 22:54, 19 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Skrekkens timer with Invalid ISBN number. ==<br />
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Hi! I've tried several different fixes but the ISBN[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?956895] submitted has 11 digits instead of 10. If this is how it's displayed in the book then I will note the error & move it to a different part of the form. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:21, 19 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::Hi! I'm new to this system, so I not sure if this is the right place to write, or if it is another way to communicate with you. Anyway, the ISBN in book is displayed like this: 82-04-00280-02<br />
I don't know if it is a spell error in the book, but it's just displayed like that with 11 digits.<br />
Best Regards --[[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
:Yes this is the best place to respond, as for the ISBN it should have 10 digits, the first 9 help generate the 10th. If I use the first 9 the last number would be "7",so the correct ISBN would be 8204002807. So far all my attempts to use this number have yielded no positive results. Do you know of any data bases where you are that this ISBN might work? I'll make the changes to the pub to reflect the incorrect ISBN. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:16, 20 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Even the [https://www.isbn-check.de/cgi-bin/checkisbn.pl?isbn=82040028002 ISBN checker] couldn't find a Norwegian variation that is known by Amazon. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 07:48, 27 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:If you need any help go to the Main Wiki Page and leave any questions you may have on the Help Page. Everybody here has different knowledge in different parts of the database.21:30, 20 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::Hello! Sorry for late reply... I really can't find any solution for this ISBN. --[[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
::https://bokelskere.no/bok/skrekkens-timer/291039/; This page shows a different book cover so maybe that's where the bad ISBN really belongs. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:40, 27 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::Actually I have that book - when checking it, I discover the site you are linking to are using wrong cover for the title. It is a double book, 2 books in one but the two titles are different in it - it is "Hevneren fra fortiden" and "Skriket" that are the correct titles for that cover - it is actually two front covers, one at each side of the book that presents the titles in the book. Anyway - the stories in the book are taken from the same series and is published by the same publisher. It is two ISBN in the book and both are different from the site.--[[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
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:::Hello again! According to this site https://www.nb.no/tjenester/standardnummerering/isbn/omregning-10-13-siffers-isbn/, the last number would be 8, so the correct ISBN would be 82-04-00280-8 or 13 digits: 978-82-04-00280-8. Anyway i'm not sure if this will solve the problem... --[[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
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:::Forget my last post. 8 for the last number was for the new 13 digit number and you was right about the control numer 7 for the 10 digit number. I read how to find out now, and you already knew how to do it... --[[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
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== Mörkets demoner ==<br />
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I put the valid ISBN-10 from the nb.no into [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?956894 here]. If the publication has a different (invalid) ISBN, please put a note. Thank You. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 14:30, 27 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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I don't know anything about that - I have the book and just typed the ISBN from the book itself...<br />
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I messed up the price currency symbols by the way - so I will fix it when all my other pending edits is finished...<br />
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I also see you use format tp on the second run on Midnattsgrøsseren - I have used pb on my new added titles and will fix it when they are added to isfdb. I had to check, and see you was right on both format and price currency symbols - I was wrong hahaha - now I learned after some mess...<br />
: There are some pages for help: [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:List_of_currency_symbols List_of_currency_symbols] and [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Format PublicationFields:Format]. You can get some more assistance if You open the blue "?" links beside the field description in the edit page. It would be fine to use the signature link, the third one on the edit bar above (looks like xl). Good luck! --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 22:40, 29 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Yes, I already checked the info :-)<br />
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== Edderkoppen ==<br />
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Thanks for adding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?960503 Edderkoppen]. I added the translator template [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3206005 here] and made the title a variant to the English original. I wasn't sure if you knew to do this yourself, sorry if you did. A note to mod re: your intentions is always welcome. <br />
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There was a problem with your [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:04_Edderkoppen.jpg uploaded image], there was no license tag. All images require a license tag. I added one for you.[https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_upload_images_to_the_ISFDB_wiki#Licensing Here] is the relevant help section. You need to add tags to any other images you have uploaded. In the future, add the image after the publication has been created, then you can use the link on the publication page and it will create the tag for you. Ask if you have questions. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:30, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Actually I don't know how to do a title variant. I can't find any way to do it. I did'nt know about the images license tag either. [[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
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:: No worries, I'll help you. Over the last couple days, I have been reviewing all your earlier new publication submissions. Variants have been created and license tags added to your uploaded images. I'll finish this afternoon. The edits I'm making can only be done after a new publication submission is approved. Here are the two edits I made to the title record of this publication.<br />
::# Add the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5714280 translator template]. Do not type the text. This was the exact entry <nowiki>{{Tr|Helge Skolem}}</nowiki>, the software generated the text.<br />
::# Link the translation to the original. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5714281 Here] is the submission. [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:MakeVariant This] is the relevant help section.<br />
::# Upload the images. From now on. Go to the publication record and you will see "Upload new cover scan". This will automatically create a license tag while you upload the image.<br />
:: We have a few conventions when posting on the wiki. Notice how I added a colon to your post and two colons to my response. This automatically indents the posts to make it easier to follow. Take a moment to read [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Wiki_Conventions#General_discussion_conventions general discussion conventions]. <br />
::Post a note to moderator in new pub submissions you intend to do steps 1 and 2 above. Until then, I'll monitor your submissions and add as needed. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:04, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Thanks for the information - I understand I have to learn alot, so I will not upload picture before after I added a new publication. I will take some time reading before I add more titles in hope I don't do so much errors in future... But I am still a newbie so probably I will do some more errors before I get experienced. By the way, I see I still have som pending submissions that are done same way as my other submissions... [[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
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== Norwegian Legend ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5714526; I added some links to Matheson books today and noticed this one you entered recently; it wasn't made a variant of the original English title so I've done that in the above PENDING edit. You may want to add translator to title record because there's a yellow warning about it being missing. EDIT: I see that you entered many books by the same publisher, some made a variant of the English title, some not, so I assume you'll eventually variant all of them; I cancelled my edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:35, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Fem fæle fortellinger ==<br />
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I corrected the Publication type of your verified publication. Please check the lengths of the content titles. A few look longer than short story. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:44, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Speculative Fiction? ==<br />
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What makes all [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?70382 these publications] eligible for inclusion? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:22, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:They appear to be based on the film [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobra_(1986_film) ''Cobra'']. I've never seen the film, and the plot summary doesn't really give any speculative elements. Do the later books in the series have speculative elements? These don't appear to have ever been published in English, so I can't tell. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:28, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Was going to check with the submitter, the first few seemed fine but the rest appear a bit suspect. Will wait to see what Twisty has to say and if they need to be deleted then they will be deleted.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:18, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Do the covers have anything to do with the books? This one has a Conan cover[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?960594] on a Cobra series book.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:22, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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I understand why you are suspicious, because these are really strange publications. I think they only are written in norwegian and sold in Norway, but I not sure - they are very hard to get, I just got ten of the twelwe books. I did not read them yet, but from what other have said that read them is: <br />
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The only thing they have in common with the movie is the name Cobra. The hero in the book is called Acorn Slaughter, in the film it is Marion Cobretti. These books are very pornographic in content. <br />
<br />
The covers have nothing to do with the books - They have used images from Stallone's films, private life and of his then girlfriend Birgitte Nielsen. The story behind these choices could be interesting to hear.<br />
<br />
In the second reprint of this book series, they even used picture of Mel Gibson from Lethal Weapon as a front cover for one of the books.<br />
[[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
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::: Since you haven't read them and can't point to anything that indicates they belong, I think they should be deleted. If you read them and then think one or all belong, they can always be reentered. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:52, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Belong to what? I don't understand what you mean. Also about speculative elements - what do you mean? These are books I have - it's not like I making up books that not exist? It's an serie for 12 books with same character in it - it's a synopsis on the back of every book. It is just the covers for the book that are crazy and don't match the content in the books. I don't understand the problem? Is there a point I have missed somewhere? Please explain... [[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
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::::This is a speculative fiction website, horror, SF, fantasy, no crime or other realistic fiction. Some major genre authors get non-genre books added if people feel like entering them to make their records more complete but the author of these books is not major. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:10, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::As Username noted, the ISFDB catalogs science fiction, fantasy, horror, and alternate history printed works, as well as non-fiction works about those areas. We would like to know if these books have any science fiction, fantasy, horror, or alternate history elements in them. If they do, then they can definitely be cataloged here. If they do not, they should be removed. You can see more at [[SCOPE]]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:39, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Oh my! I did'nt know that - now I feel stupid! Then it not belong, because it's crime/action. I will also remove the Rambo books that is still pending adds. Well, then I will only add science fiction and horror from now on. I'm sorry for the mess I made about this. [[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
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::::: No apologies necessary, I'm glad you understand. I'll take care of removing them and the image uploads. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:49, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Beyond the Beyond variant submissions ==<br />
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Hi! I've put these submissions on hold to think about if this is the correct way of dealing with them. I may post something about it on the moderator board in a day or so if I don't think of anything. In the meantime could you submit variants for the last two novelettes in the second book[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?962721]. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:52, 29 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Yeah, I understand - I was a little unsure myself. But both books itself states the original title is "Beyond the Beyond". Thats why I also did what I did. It was the same problem for the title "Beyond the curtain of dark" that was translated into three different books in the "Midnattsgrøsseren" series. All three books there are now title variant from the book "Beyond the curtain of dark". I will submit variants for the last two novelettes in the second book now. [[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
::I'm going to approve the submission and add some notes to to parent title record about the split nature of the Norwegian books. I see only two of the books "Beyond the curtain of dark"[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?35788] have been made into variants, is this the third[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3210776]? If it is than could you add some notes or contents to it? Thanks.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 10:25, 30 July 2023 (EDT)</div>
Kraang
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Twisty&diff=668176
User talk:Twisty
2023-07-30T03:52:25Z
<p>Kraang: /* Beyond the Beyond variant submissions */ new section</p>
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<div>{{welcome}}[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 22:54, 19 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Skrekkens timer with Invalid ISBN number. ==<br />
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Hi! I've tried several different fixes but the ISBN[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?956895] submitted has 11 digits instead of 10. If this is how it's displayed in the book then I will note the error & move it to a different part of the form. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:21, 19 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::Hi! I'm new to this system, so I not sure if this is the right place to write, or if it is another way to communicate with you. Anyway, the ISBN in book is displayed like this: 82-04-00280-02<br />
I don't know if it is a spell error in the book, but it's just displayed like that with 11 digits.<br />
Best Regards --[[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
:Yes this is the best place to respond, as for the ISBN it should have 10 digits, the first 9 help generate the 10th. If I use the first 9 the last number would be "7",so the correct ISBN would be 8204002807. So far all my attempts to use this number have yielded no positive results. Do you know of any data bases where you are that this ISBN might work? I'll make the changes to the pub to reflect the incorrect ISBN. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:16, 20 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Even the [https://www.isbn-check.de/cgi-bin/checkisbn.pl?isbn=82040028002 ISBN checker] couldn't find a Norwegian variation that is known by Amazon. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 07:48, 27 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:If you need any help go to the Main Wiki Page and leave any questions you may have on the Help Page. Everybody here has different knowledge in different parts of the database.21:30, 20 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::Hello! Sorry for late reply... I really can't find any solution for this ISBN. --[[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
::https://bokelskere.no/bok/skrekkens-timer/291039/; This page shows a different book cover so maybe that's where the bad ISBN really belongs. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:40, 27 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::Actually I have that book - when checking it, I discover the site you are linking to are using wrong cover for the title. It is a double book, 2 books in one but the two titles are different in it - it is "Hevneren fra fortiden" and "Skriket" that are the correct titles for that cover - it is actually two front covers, one at each side of the book that presents the titles in the book. Anyway - the stories in the book are taken from the same series and is published by the same publisher. It is two ISBN in the book and both are different from the site.--[[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
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:::Hello again! According to this site https://www.nb.no/tjenester/standardnummerering/isbn/omregning-10-13-siffers-isbn/, the last number would be 8, so the correct ISBN would be 82-04-00280-8 or 13 digits: 978-82-04-00280-8. Anyway i'm not sure if this will solve the problem... --[[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
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:::Forget my last post. 8 for the last number was for the new 13 digit number and you was right about the control numer 7 for the 10 digit number. I read how to find out now, and you already knew how to do it... --[[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
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== Mörkets demoner ==<br />
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I put the valid ISBN-10 from the nb.no into [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?956894 here]. If the publication has a different (invalid) ISBN, please put a note. Thank You. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 14:30, 27 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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I don't know anything about that - I have the book and just typed the ISBN from the book itself...<br />
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I messed up the price currency symbols by the way - so I will fix it when all my other pending edits is finished...<br />
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I also see you use format tp on the second run on Midnattsgrøsseren - I have used pb on my new added titles and will fix it when they are added to isfdb. I had to check, and see you was right on both format and price currency symbols - I was wrong hahaha - now I learned after some mess...<br />
: There are some pages for help: [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:List_of_currency_symbols List_of_currency_symbols] and [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Format PublicationFields:Format]. You can get some more assistance if You open the blue "?" links beside the field description in the edit page. It would be fine to use the signature link, the third one on the edit bar above (looks like xl). Good luck! --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 22:40, 29 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Yes, I already checked the info :-)<br />
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== Edderkoppen ==<br />
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Thanks for adding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?960503 Edderkoppen]. I added the translator template [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3206005 here] and made the title a variant to the English original. I wasn't sure if you knew to do this yourself, sorry if you did. A note to mod re: your intentions is always welcome. <br />
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There was a problem with your [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:04_Edderkoppen.jpg uploaded image], there was no license tag. All images require a license tag. I added one for you.[https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_upload_images_to_the_ISFDB_wiki#Licensing Here] is the relevant help section. You need to add tags to any other images you have uploaded. In the future, add the image after the publication has been created, then you can use the link on the publication page and it will create the tag for you. Ask if you have questions. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:30, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Actually I don't know how to do a title variant. I can't find any way to do it. I did'nt know about the images license tag either. [[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
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:: No worries, I'll help you. Over the last couple days, I have been reviewing all your earlier new publication submissions. Variants have been created and license tags added to your uploaded images. I'll finish this afternoon. The edits I'm making can only be done after a new publication submission is approved. Here are the two edits I made to the title record of this publication.<br />
::# Add the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5714280 translator template]. Do not type the text. This was the exact entry <nowiki>{{Tr|Helge Skolem}}</nowiki>, the software generated the text.<br />
::# Link the translation to the original. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5714281 Here] is the submission. [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:MakeVariant This] is the relevant help section.<br />
::# Upload the images. From now on. Go to the publication record and you will see "Upload new cover scan". This will automatically create a license tag while you upload the image.<br />
:: We have a few conventions when posting on the wiki. Notice how I added a colon to your post and two colons to my response. This automatically indents the posts to make it easier to follow. Take a moment to read [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Wiki_Conventions#General_discussion_conventions general discussion conventions]. <br />
::Post a note to moderator in new pub submissions you intend to do steps 1 and 2 above. Until then, I'll monitor your submissions and add as needed. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:04, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Thanks for the information - I understand I have to learn alot, so I will not upload picture before after I added a new publication. I will take some time reading before I add more titles in hope I don't do so much errors in future... But I am still a newbie so probably I will do some more errors before I get experienced. By the way, I see I still have som pending submissions that are done same way as my other submissions... [[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
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== Norwegian Legend ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5714526; I added some links to Matheson books today and noticed this one you entered recently; it wasn't made a variant of the original English title so I've done that in the above PENDING edit. You may want to add translator to title record because there's a yellow warning about it being missing. EDIT: I see that you entered many books by the same publisher, some made a variant of the English title, some not, so I assume you'll eventually variant all of them; I cancelled my edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:35, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Fem fæle fortellinger ==<br />
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I corrected the Publication type of your verified publication. Please check the lengths of the content titles. A few look longer than short story. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:44, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Speculative Fiction? ==<br />
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What makes all [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?70382 these publications] eligible for inclusion? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:22, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:They appear to be based on the film [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobra_(1986_film) ''Cobra'']. I've never seen the film, and the plot summary doesn't really give any speculative elements. Do the later books in the series have speculative elements? These don't appear to have ever been published in English, so I can't tell. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:28, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Was going to check with the submitter, the first few seemed fine but the rest appear a bit suspect. Will wait to see what Twisty has to say and if they need to be deleted then they will be deleted.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:18, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Do the covers have anything to do with the books? This one has a Conan cover[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?960594] on a Cobra series book.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:22, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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I understand why you are suspicious, because these are really strange publications. I think they only are written in norwegian and sold in Norway, but I not sure - they are very hard to get, I just got ten of the twelwe books. I did not read them yet, but from what other have said that read them is: <br />
<br />
The only thing they have in common with the movie is the name Cobra. The hero in the book is called Acorn Slaughter, in the film it is Marion Cobretti. These books are very pornographic in content. <br />
<br />
The covers have nothing to do with the books - They have used images from Stallone's films, private life and of his then girlfriend Birgitte Nielsen. The story behind these choices could be interesting to hear.<br />
<br />
In the second reprint of this book series, they even used picture of Mel Gibson from Lethal Weapon as a front cover for one of the books.<br />
[[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
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::: Since you haven't read them and can't point to anything that indicates they belong, I think they should be deleted. If you read them and then think one or all belong, they can always be reentered. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:52, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Belong to what? I don't understand what you mean. Also about speculative elements - what do you mean? These are books I have - it's not like I making up books that not exist? It's an serie for 12 books with same character in it - it's a synopsis on the back of every book. It is just the covers for the book that are crazy and don't match the content in the books. I don't understand the problem? Is there a point I have missed somewhere? Please explain... [[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
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::::This is a speculative fiction website, horror, SF, fantasy, no crime or other realistic fiction. Some major genre authors get non-genre books added if people feel like entering them to make their records more complete but the author of these books is not major. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:10, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::As Username noted, the ISFDB catalogs science fiction, fantasy, horror, and alternate history printed works, as well as non-fiction works about those areas. We would like to know if these books have any science fiction, fantasy, horror, or alternate history elements in them. If they do, then they can definitely be cataloged here. If they do not, they should be removed. You can see more at [[SCOPE]]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:39, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Oh my! I did'nt know that - now I feel stupid! Then it not belong, because it's crime/action. I will also remove the Rambo books that is still pending adds. Well, then I will only add science fiction and horror from now on. I'm sorry for the mess I made about this. [[User:Twisty|Twisty]] ([[User talk:Twisty|talk]])<br />
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::::: No apologies necessary, I'm glad you understand. I'll take care of removing them and the image uploads. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:49, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Beyond the Beyond variant submissions ==<br />
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Hi! I've put these submissions on hold to think about if this is the correct way of dealing with them. I may post something about it on the moderator board in a day or so if I don't think of anything. In the meantime could you submit variants for the last two novelettes in the second book[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?962721]. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:52, 29 July 2023 (EDT)</div>
Kraang
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Gmurra2&diff=668115
User talk:Gmurra2
2023-07-29T02:35:03Z
<p>Kraang: Created page with "{{welcome}}~~~~"</p>
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<div>{{welcome}}[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 22:35, 28 July 2023 (EDT)</div>
Kraang
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Kraang&diff=668054
User talk:Kraang
2023-07-28T14:34:04Z
<p>Kraang: /* The Hounds of God */</p>
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== SF: The Year's Greatest Science-Fiction and Fantasy Second Annual Volume / Title change discussion ==<br />
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Please respond at [[User_talk:GlennMcG#SF:_The_Year.27s_Greatest_Science-Fiction_and_Fantasy_Second_Annual_Volume_.2F_Shared_title_change_discussion|GlennMcG talk]]. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 19:52, 1 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Reeve - Station Zero ==<br />
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Hi, first off, thanks for your moderating my submissions! Out of curiousity, what went wrong with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5533261 this submission] where you fixed the HTML? Was it two spaces instead of one between the text and the link? That's the only difference I can see. Thanks for fixing it anyway! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:00, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:There was an extra "< / ul >" that appeared to be the problem, since you use a similar template in notes I looked at a previous one & removed the extra. Happy to moderate submissions, took a couple of months of now I'm back.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:26, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Ah, found it, thanks, and welcome back! Incidentally, these two submissions [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5530361 5530361] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5530366 5530366] have been hanging around for a while. I wondered if they've dropped out of moderators sight...? Kev.--[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:55, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Wow! Thanks! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:04, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Daniel Boring ==<br />
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Hi, Kraang. I have a (slightly ridiculous) question about [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?103216| David Boring]. Back in 2009, you added the note about it being reviewed in an SF publication. Do you know which? It doesn't have any reviews listed right now. I know it's been years, but I'm curious. Thanks! —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 03:13, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:No idea now. I did a lot of cleanup of non-genre & graphic novels at the time. Possibly a link to the review has been deleted, being of a graphic novel. Now all that is left is the novel & my note. Hope this helps.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 12:11, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Aha! I found it: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1299001]. I'll change it back to a review. —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 12:16, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::: I would not change it to a review - the graphic novel is NOT eligible to be here... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:54, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== La canción de Bêlit ==<br />
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The novel was published in Brazil, but they divided it into four parts, only volume 1 came out, how do I register?[[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 14:16, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Add the publication in as a Chapbook and in the Regular Title section add (Part 1 of 4) or (Vol 1) after title, then make title type a serial. Are the other three parts going to be published? If not then a note would help explain it's intension to be a novel but has not been completed. Hope this helps, I'll lookout for your submission.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:33, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::the publisher's page says it would be published in two volumes, the cover artist's Facebook page says in four parts, however, only the first volume was published, nothing was said if there will be continuation. I think the illustrator is right, as the original book has 572 pages and this one has 176. In the original book, it seems to already be divided into 4 parts. [[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 12:21, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Looking at the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?932583 original (2017) Spanish text], I see the following note:<br />
:::* Robert E. Howard's [novelette] "La Reina de la Costa Negra", which is included in its entirety in this novel, was originally published in ''Weird Tales'' in May 1934 as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?68499 "The Queen of the Black Coast."] The Spanish translation is the work of Rodolfo Martínez [...]<br />
::: This explains why the title page and the cover credit both Howard and Martínez. I suggest that we add Howard's name to the Spanish title as well as to the proposed Portuguese title.<br />
::: I can also confirm that the Spanish original consists of 4 "cuarta"s ("quarters"), so it seems likely that a 176-page book would contain the first "quarter" as opposed to the first half of the original, which is 572 pages long. Furthermore, the Spanish original is 168K words long. The four "quarters" are novella length since they are under the 40K limit:<br />
:::* First "quarter" -- 19%<br />
:::* Second "quarter" -- 23%<br />
:::* Third "quarter" -- 23%<br />
:::* Fourth "quarter" -- 21%<br />
:::* Appendices, including Martínez's translation of Howard's fictionalized essay [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?121948 "The Hyborian Age"] -- 12%<br />
::: This means that Kraang's guess above is correct and they are, in ISFDB terms, SERIALs as opposed to "split novels". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:33, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::Yes, the subtitle in Portuguese is "A tigresa e o leão", which is the same as "la tigresa y el léon" described as "libro primero" (first book).[[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 19:45, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
Enter the first book with as much detail you can find & I'll fix it up as best I can. I'll deal with the other submission tomorrow night when I get home. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:24, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::A second book was published [https://aveceditora.com.br/produto/a-cancao-de-belit-2 A canção de Bêlit: a última jornada][[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 09:57, 1 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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I understand, in fact the novel is divided into four parts and each book publishes two parts. [[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 09:29, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pwendt for self-approver ==<br />
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Hi, Kraang. Happy New Year! I hope to be a self-approver imminently. I prefer to be nominated by another, but I plan to nominate myself ("Self-nomination for self-approver") sometime tomorrow if none of you, plural, is available ready and willing in the next 20 hours or so. I write to a couple others too. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:42, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Back form short holiday will support self-approver.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:34, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Theodora Goss / The Thorn and the Blossom - Deletion Problem ==<br />
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You have processed all my submissions for this title to date but I'm now stuck on a step. As you know, I'm converting this from a Chapbook with a Novella to a Collection with two Novelettes. I now want to delete the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1347059 Novella record] as it has no associated pubs but I can't. When I try to "Delete This Title", I get the message "Error: 1 awards still refer to this title". There is no option to remove the Award or the Reviews so how do I go about deleting the Novella? Incidentally, I have taken a note of the Award and 5 Reviews and will import them to the container title for the Collection once it has been created. Thanks in advance for your help. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 07:54, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Yes, but it seems it is the piece of shortfiction that got the award, and it should have been published somewhere (or was it handed to one of the two new titles?). Or it may be possible to link the award to the collection instead. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:02, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I'll have a look at this tonight. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 11:33, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Ok everything should be fixed, the award & reviews are there , except the award describes it as "Best Novelette". Maybe an explanation should be added to explain the difference.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 13:38, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::All looks good now, thanks. One last piece of tidying up: deletion of the old, incorrectly titled Interiorart record. I have submitted an edit to do this. I see where you're coming from regarding an explanation of the Locus award as "Best Novelette" but I have no idea why Locus considered it to be a Novelette. The approx word counts are: Brendan's Story - 10,500 and Evelyn's Story - 10,900. So even if you consider the whole work to be a single piece of fiction (which it isn't), the total word count is 21,400 hence Novella. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:46, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Link fix ==<br />
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Thanks for your time fixing that wrong image link :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:42, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Asimov - I, Robot - by Fawcett Crest ==<br />
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Hi, re your {{P|205693|PV here}}, this is just a heads-up to point to my discussion with Tom [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Taweiss#Asimov_-_I.2C_Robot Taweiss] regarding Fawcett covers and this {{P|205285|1970 printing}}. You might find something there for yours. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 00:53, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I'll have a look at my copy tonight and see if there is anything to add. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 12:32, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Self-Approver ==<br />
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Hello, as you're in the list of moderators handling my most recent submission, can you please comment on https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Self-Moderation_Request? --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 06:43, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== :) ==<br />
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Thanks for the work you're doing and for fixing the asterisk - don't know how that got in there... Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:59, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Easy fix once I figured out what was wrong, was not obvious at first.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:14, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Signet -> Signet / New American Library ==<br />
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Any objection to changing this to Signet / New American Library<br><br />
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<li>https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?229073</li><br />
</ul>--[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] ([[User talk:Spacecow|talk]]) 04:13, 12 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Please submit the change. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 11:23, 12 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== :) ==<br />
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Many thanks! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:56, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I'll have a go at the rest tomorrow if there still on the board. I see what you are doing but in a way that may take a bit of unmerging and re merging. I need to look at all the relevant edits before I proceed. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:06, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Please don't take any actions further to my outstanding edits (apart from approval or not), as I'm aware of everything that needs to be done going forward and I'm tracking it all - what needs to be done in which order. Thanks again, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:26, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK, I'll do them now. As an alternative method just unmerge the publications & rename if necessary, then remerged with the correct title record. Generally this will have less steps. Hope this helps. :)[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:43, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Yes, I tried considering the number of steps involved, trying to work out the most efficient (and I've unmerged/remerged in the past) but I opted for the simple one-step-at-a time approach as the whole thing is quite complex. But thanks for your considerate thought :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:47, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Getting back to my 'pending', I see you've cleared them all. What excellent communication! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:50, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
Happy to help. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:54, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Impressive! Thanks again :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:20, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Incorrect info added to database ==<br />
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Hello Kraang, I am one of the editors of the Brazilian magazine Histórias Extraordinárias. We have published six issues so far. The latest one was published in April 2023 and it has been added recently to the database (submission #5652271).<br />
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I noticed that two more records appeared, probably submitted by someone else but approved by you. They somehow duplicate the info (with much less detail), but incorrectly state that Histórias Extraordinárias is an ANTHOLOGY, which it is not. It is a magazine that publishes new material.<br />
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The incorrect publication records are: #950021 and #950023.<br />
We just launched all six issues in digital versions (PDF) so I believe that the submitter wants to include them. I agree that they should appear as different format, but we should at least just duplicate the existing information (which is "official" and more comprehensive) changing only the format. Can you please help us in this regard once we sort out these two "rogue" records? :)<br />
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The six magazine issues so far are the following:<br />
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{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ Histórias Extraordinárias Magazine<br />
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! Issue number !! detail !! Pub record !! Incorrect<br />
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| Issue 1|| December 2020|| #913217|| #950021<br />
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| Issue 2 || April 2021|| #914003|| #950023<br />
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| Issue 3 || August 2021|| #914004||<br />
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| Issue 4 || December 2021|| #914005||<br />
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| Issue 5 || August 2022|| #915288||<br />
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| Issue 6 || April 2023|| #950024||<br />
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|}<br />
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As a side note, the latest issue is not appearing in the publication series #67858. I spotted a difference in how the title is formatted in the Title Record and submitted a change request in order to correct it (submission #5659612). I ask you to please review and apply the suitable correction. Thanks!<br />
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--[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 22:32, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Sorry about the mix-up, if I had realized it was a magazine I would have left it for some one else. I'll have a look at the submission and approve if it looks ok, if I'm uncertain I'll flag it for a mod who deals more with magazines. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:14, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I think the best thing to do is delete the rogue entries and the you can submit a clone of an existing pub with the necessary changes.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:22, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Rogue records have been deleted, just use the cloning option, this way no merging or changing title records is necessary, everything will be where it should be.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:33, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks for your help with the rogue entries! Now I will ask you help with another matter: The latest issue (pub record #950024) does not appear listed along with the previous five. I refer to the page in the link that appears [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?67858 here]. Can you please help with this as well? I don't know what to change in the pub info to link it to the others. Thanks!<br />
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::: Update: I have just submitted a clone request for the first 5 issues, changing the format to ebook and adding the format (PDF) to the notes field. I will do the same to Issue 6 once we sort out the above point. Thanks and have a good day!<br />
:::--[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 13:07, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::All fixed just had to add the series name to the title record.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 18:23, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::Perfect! Thank you very much!! Now I just created the variants for the artworks in the latest issue, and once they are approved, I will clone it to the ebook format. Thank you for all your help!!<br />
:::::--[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 19:30, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Not a Variant ==<br />
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Hello Kraang, I recently submitted two title update requests because I noticed a typo in the title of a short sory and its accompaining interiorart.<br />
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Issue 1 of "Histórias Extraordinárias" magazine ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?913217 December 2020]) contains a short story called "Hypnos e Morfeu". However, when inserting the data months ago, I wrote "Morfeu'''s'''" (with an "s") instead of "Morfeu". The story also has an interiorart which received the same name (wrong, with the 's').<br />
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I noticed the error last week and submitted two requests:<br />
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1) Submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5661908 #5661908] to change the short story title (Title Record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3076119 #3076119])<br />
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2) Submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5661909 #5661909] to change the interiorart title (Title Record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3076118 #3076118])<br />
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The titles are shared by the bedsheet and ebook publications (ebook is a clone of the bedsheet).<br />
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However, while for the interiorart it seems all ok, the short story lists the correct name as a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3082550 variant of the old name], which it is not. The old title should be deleted and the corrected title should be kept. We should just correct the typo, not create a variant.<br />
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It currently appears as --> Variant Title of: Hypnos e Morfeus (by Marcus Garrett) [may list more publications, awards, reviews, votes and covers]<br />
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Can you please help with this?<br />
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I believe that deleting [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3082550 this record] would be enough to break this "variant link" but I am not sure, so I am asking for your help.<br />
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Thanks.<br />
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--[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 19:41, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I dropped the "s" on the parent title, but the variant is correct since the short story is written using an alternate name. A variant is created to the parent name "Marcus Garrett".[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:25, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::OK! I stand corrected. Thanks for fixing the issue of the extra "s". All seems to be OK now. Sorry about the inconvenience. Have a nice week! --[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 19:57, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Live Free or Die ==<br />
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Just a note that I fixed a capitalization issue ("or" was recorded as "Or") on your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?304688 verified]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:24, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Abhorsen ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Please keep an eye for the "Language mismatch" warnings when approving imports: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5246823 this] should not have been approved - instead a new cover should have been created for the Dutch books and then varianted. We match the art language to the book language even when the titles are the same. I had unmerged and I am working through a series of these you approved so just dropping you a note. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:54, 30 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zebrowski - Ashes and Stars ==<br />
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Hello, I'm letting you know I'm adding Reginald3 ID# to your PV'd {{P|186781|pub here}}. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 02:08, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Also to {{P|44249|The Monadic Universe}}. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:06, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:If just adding ID's or extra data to notes I'm fine with that , no need to notify me, but thanks anyways. :)[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 16:01, 3 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zebrowski - The Omega Point Trilogy ==<br />
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Hello, with regard to your {{P|93651|Canadian edition}}, I'm assuming that it's essentially the same as the {{P|277309|US edition}} which has pages as viii+295. Does yours have roman numeral numbered pages? If so, I suggest they should be recorded - even though there is/might be no content needing recording - per the pages help guide. What do you think? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:46, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The contents are the same just the cover is different, I'll update the page number. Thanks.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 16:03, 3 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cat People ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5675093; Some confusion here, in case you can clear it up. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:04, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:This was a stray pub, the database was full of them in the early days so I created a title record for it and moved on to the next one. The searching of databases & sellers is a lot easier now with all the links. All fixed now.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 19:41, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zelazny - The Chronicles of Amber: Volume I ==<br />
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Hello, way back when, you moderated the last two submissions for {{T|39628|this title}}. I can't find any justification or source for the date being 1979-01-01 instead of the Doubleday 1979-01-00. What do you think? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:20, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No idea, just slipped in, so I'll make it go back one day to 1979-01-00.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 22:02, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: :) thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:16, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jack Campbell: Invincible ==<br />
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I have a pending submission to remove the series name from your PVed record. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5712286 submission]. Any problem with me finishing the approval? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:15, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No problem change away.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 10:17, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Seedling Stars ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128431; A copy was uploaded to Archive.org last fall so I've added a link in a PENDING edit but neither Open Library or Amazon seem to have the cover so maybe you'd like to upload yours or an online cover that looks like yours. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:46, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Recent approvals. ==<br />
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Greetings Kraang, I've asked a new editor what makes a number of his new publication submissions eligible for inclusion. You may wish to comment [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Twisty#Speculative_Fiction.3F here] since you approved them. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:29, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Hi! It would also be appreciated if you could keep an eye on text lengths. For example, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?959237 this] - with 32 pages - can't be a novel as initially approved (I changed this one to CHAPBOOK). Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:45, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Magazines dating question ==<br />
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Hello Kraang, <br />
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Can you clarify the approved date [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5678636 here]? We date magazines based on their cover date and if another means is used, it needs to be in the notes. That applies to magazines where Amazon may have an exact date as well... I do not see a note explaining the dating. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:18, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Deal so little with magazines I forget about all the different rules, only approved the edit to get the stories. Please change the date to what it should be, I'll try to be more careful with magazine submissions in the future or I might just avoid magazine submissions altogether no matter how correct it looks. THanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 16:17, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: I will work with the editor - they seem to have changed the date similarly in more than one magazine. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:31, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Joe Haldeman / Camouflage - Cover Image ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?63142 Camouflage]. The Amazon image on this pub record is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?351561 Artwork A] whereas my copy has [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1866095 Artwork B]. Can you please check your copy. If you agree, I will scan my cover, upload it and also correct the coverart record. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:56, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Mine has the correct cover image ArtwokA.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:12, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Had a better look & it's similar to ArtworkA but a bit different, but not at all like ArtworkB, will have to upload mine or find new Amazon image. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:17, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Replace image from Amazon with correct cover, will do a scan of covers in the future & replace this and some others.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:22, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::The new Amazon image to which you have linked is the correct cover and it is Artwork B; it's just that the hb cover is much darker than the pb and ebook covers. The image is not ideal because it has the "Copyrighted Material" watermarks at top and bottom. Let me know whether you'd like me to upload and link a scan from my copy or whether you'd prefer to do it yourself. Also, the pub record needs to have the current Artwork A coverart record removed and the Artwork B coverart record imported. Again, please let me know whether you'd like me to submit edits for this or whether you'd prefer to do it yourself. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 11:18, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Please go ahead and upload your cover, plus all the necessary changes. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 12:21, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I have submitted the first 3 of 5 edits. I will submit the last 2 after the first 3 have been processed. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:48, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Gaiman/Pratchett - Ein gutes Omen ==<br />
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Hi,<br />
[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?961539 this submission] of mine was wrong. Don't know what happened there, may have mistakenly pressed enter or a browser hickup. Was intended for the 3rd printing of the Piper edition, which i've entered separately. As the faulty one was approved too, i have corrected it to an entry for the first printing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5722245]. Please take a look. [[User:Welo|Welo]] ([[User talk:Welo|talk]]) 02:57, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No problem approved. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 09:21, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Hounds of God ==<br />
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You recently moderated [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41701 this] publication but did not take account of the note I made in reference to the cover art credit which is still wrong - shows Kevin Eugene Johnson not Steve Crisp. I can't edit the credit to the correct one since it's linked to the 'other' cover (the one by Johnson) that is decidedly not the same as the Steven Crisp cover. Take note that Steven Crisp and Steve Crisp are one and the same person. If you could use your moderation wand to sort that out that'd be great. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 01:15, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:to fix this I'll unmerge the incorrect cover then change to Steven Crisp and last create variant to parent name Steve Crisp.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 10:27, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:There was an existing record for this cover[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1688421] under Steven Crisp name already variated to the parent name so I just merged the two records.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 10:34, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Impact-20 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17894; http://bookscans.com/Publishers/pblib/pblib01.htm; I'd like to replace Impact-20 Amazon cover with Bookscans cover, color is less faded, if that's OK. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:21, 28 July 2023 (EDT)</div>
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User talk:Kraang
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== SF: The Year's Greatest Science-Fiction and Fantasy Second Annual Volume / Title change discussion ==<br />
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Please respond at [[User_talk:GlennMcG#SF:_The_Year.27s_Greatest_Science-Fiction_and_Fantasy_Second_Annual_Volume_.2F_Shared_title_change_discussion|GlennMcG talk]]. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 19:52, 1 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Reeve - Station Zero ==<br />
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Hi, first off, thanks for your moderating my submissions! Out of curiousity, what went wrong with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5533261 this submission] where you fixed the HTML? Was it two spaces instead of one between the text and the link? That's the only difference I can see. Thanks for fixing it anyway! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:00, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:There was an extra "< / ul >" that appeared to be the problem, since you use a similar template in notes I looked at a previous one & removed the extra. Happy to moderate submissions, took a couple of months of now I'm back.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:26, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Ah, found it, thanks, and welcome back! Incidentally, these two submissions [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5530361 5530361] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5530366 5530366] have been hanging around for a while. I wondered if they've dropped out of moderators sight...? Kev.--[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:55, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Wow! Thanks! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:04, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Daniel Boring ==<br />
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Hi, Kraang. I have a (slightly ridiculous) question about [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?103216| David Boring]. Back in 2009, you added the note about it being reviewed in an SF publication. Do you know which? It doesn't have any reviews listed right now. I know it's been years, but I'm curious. Thanks! —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 03:13, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:No idea now. I did a lot of cleanup of non-genre & graphic novels at the time. Possibly a link to the review has been deleted, being of a graphic novel. Now all that is left is the novel & my note. Hope this helps.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 12:11, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Aha! I found it: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1299001]. I'll change it back to a review. —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 12:16, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::: I would not change it to a review - the graphic novel is NOT eligible to be here... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:54, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== La canción de Bêlit ==<br />
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The novel was published in Brazil, but they divided it into four parts, only volume 1 came out, how do I register?[[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 14:16, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Add the publication in as a Chapbook and in the Regular Title section add (Part 1 of 4) or (Vol 1) after title, then make title type a serial. Are the other three parts going to be published? If not then a note would help explain it's intension to be a novel but has not been completed. Hope this helps, I'll lookout for your submission.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:33, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::the publisher's page says it would be published in two volumes, the cover artist's Facebook page says in four parts, however, only the first volume was published, nothing was said if there will be continuation. I think the illustrator is right, as the original book has 572 pages and this one has 176. In the original book, it seems to already be divided into 4 parts. [[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 12:21, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Looking at the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?932583 original (2017) Spanish text], I see the following note:<br />
:::* Robert E. Howard's [novelette] "La Reina de la Costa Negra", which is included in its entirety in this novel, was originally published in ''Weird Tales'' in May 1934 as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?68499 "The Queen of the Black Coast."] The Spanish translation is the work of Rodolfo Martínez [...]<br />
::: This explains why the title page and the cover credit both Howard and Martínez. I suggest that we add Howard's name to the Spanish title as well as to the proposed Portuguese title.<br />
::: I can also confirm that the Spanish original consists of 4 "cuarta"s ("quarters"), so it seems likely that a 176-page book would contain the first "quarter" as opposed to the first half of the original, which is 572 pages long. Furthermore, the Spanish original is 168K words long. The four "quarters" are novella length since they are under the 40K limit:<br />
:::* First "quarter" -- 19%<br />
:::* Second "quarter" -- 23%<br />
:::* Third "quarter" -- 23%<br />
:::* Fourth "quarter" -- 21%<br />
:::* Appendices, including Martínez's translation of Howard's fictionalized essay [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?121948 "The Hyborian Age"] -- 12%<br />
::: This means that Kraang's guess above is correct and they are, in ISFDB terms, SERIALs as opposed to "split novels". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:33, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::Yes, the subtitle in Portuguese is "A tigresa e o leão", which is the same as "la tigresa y el léon" described as "libro primero" (first book).[[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 19:45, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
Enter the first book with as much detail you can find & I'll fix it up as best I can. I'll deal with the other submission tomorrow night when I get home. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:24, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::A second book was published [https://aveceditora.com.br/produto/a-cancao-de-belit-2 A canção de Bêlit: a última jornada][[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 09:57, 1 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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I understand, in fact the novel is divided into four parts and each book publishes two parts. [[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 09:29, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pwendt for self-approver ==<br />
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Hi, Kraang. Happy New Year! I hope to be a self-approver imminently. I prefer to be nominated by another, but I plan to nominate myself ("Self-nomination for self-approver") sometime tomorrow if none of you, plural, is available ready and willing in the next 20 hours or so. I write to a couple others too. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:42, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Back form short holiday will support self-approver.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:34, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Theodora Goss / The Thorn and the Blossom - Deletion Problem ==<br />
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You have processed all my submissions for this title to date but I'm now stuck on a step. As you know, I'm converting this from a Chapbook with a Novella to a Collection with two Novelettes. I now want to delete the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1347059 Novella record] as it has no associated pubs but I can't. When I try to "Delete This Title", I get the message "Error: 1 awards still refer to this title". There is no option to remove the Award or the Reviews so how do I go about deleting the Novella? Incidentally, I have taken a note of the Award and 5 Reviews and will import them to the container title for the Collection once it has been created. Thanks in advance for your help. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 07:54, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Yes, but it seems it is the piece of shortfiction that got the award, and it should have been published somewhere (or was it handed to one of the two new titles?). Or it may be possible to link the award to the collection instead. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:02, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I'll have a look at this tonight. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 11:33, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Ok everything should be fixed, the award & reviews are there , except the award describes it as "Best Novelette". Maybe an explanation should be added to explain the difference.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 13:38, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::All looks good now, thanks. One last piece of tidying up: deletion of the old, incorrectly titled Interiorart record. I have submitted an edit to do this. I see where you're coming from regarding an explanation of the Locus award as "Best Novelette" but I have no idea why Locus considered it to be a Novelette. The approx word counts are: Brendan's Story - 10,500 and Evelyn's Story - 10,900. So even if you consider the whole work to be a single piece of fiction (which it isn't), the total word count is 21,400 hence Novella. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:46, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Link fix ==<br />
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Thanks for your time fixing that wrong image link :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:42, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Asimov - I, Robot - by Fawcett Crest ==<br />
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Hi, re your {{P|205693|PV here}}, this is just a heads-up to point to my discussion with Tom [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Taweiss#Asimov_-_I.2C_Robot Taweiss] regarding Fawcett covers and this {{P|205285|1970 printing}}. You might find something there for yours. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 00:53, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I'll have a look at my copy tonight and see if there is anything to add. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 12:32, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Self-Approver ==<br />
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Hello, as you're in the list of moderators handling my most recent submission, can you please comment on https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Self-Moderation_Request? --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 06:43, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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Thanks for the work you're doing and for fixing the asterisk - don't know how that got in there... Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:59, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Easy fix once I figured out what was wrong, was not obvious at first.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:14, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Signet -> Signet / New American Library ==<br />
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Any objection to changing this to Signet / New American Library<br><br />
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<li>https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?229073</li><br />
</ul>--[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] ([[User talk:Spacecow|talk]]) 04:13, 12 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Please submit the change. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 11:23, 12 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Many thanks! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:56, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I'll have a go at the rest tomorrow if there still on the board. I see what you are doing but in a way that may take a bit of unmerging and re merging. I need to look at all the relevant edits before I proceed. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:06, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Please don't take any actions further to my outstanding edits (apart from approval or not), as I'm aware of everything that needs to be done going forward and I'm tracking it all - what needs to be done in which order. Thanks again, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:26, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK, I'll do them now. As an alternative method just unmerge the publications & rename if necessary, then remerged with the correct title record. Generally this will have less steps. Hope this helps. :)[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:43, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Yes, I tried considering the number of steps involved, trying to work out the most efficient (and I've unmerged/remerged in the past) but I opted for the simple one-step-at-a time approach as the whole thing is quite complex. But thanks for your considerate thought :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:47, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Getting back to my 'pending', I see you've cleared them all. What excellent communication! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:50, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
Happy to help. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:54, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Impressive! Thanks again :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:20, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Incorrect info added to database ==<br />
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Hello Kraang, I am one of the editors of the Brazilian magazine Histórias Extraordinárias. We have published six issues so far. The latest one was published in April 2023 and it has been added recently to the database (submission #5652271).<br />
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I noticed that two more records appeared, probably submitted by someone else but approved by you. They somehow duplicate the info (with much less detail), but incorrectly state that Histórias Extraordinárias is an ANTHOLOGY, which it is not. It is a magazine that publishes new material.<br />
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The incorrect publication records are: #950021 and #950023.<br />
We just launched all six issues in digital versions (PDF) so I believe that the submitter wants to include them. I agree that they should appear as different format, but we should at least just duplicate the existing information (which is "official" and more comprehensive) changing only the format. Can you please help us in this regard once we sort out these two "rogue" records? :)<br />
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The six magazine issues so far are the following:<br />
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{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ Histórias Extraordinárias Magazine<br />
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! Issue number !! detail !! Pub record !! Incorrect<br />
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| Issue 1|| December 2020|| #913217|| #950021<br />
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| Issue 2 || April 2021|| #914003|| #950023<br />
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| Issue 3 || August 2021|| #914004||<br />
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| Issue 4 || December 2021|| #914005||<br />
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| Issue 5 || August 2022|| #915288||<br />
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| Issue 6 || April 2023|| #950024||<br />
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As a side note, the latest issue is not appearing in the publication series #67858. I spotted a difference in how the title is formatted in the Title Record and submitted a change request in order to correct it (submission #5659612). I ask you to please review and apply the suitable correction. Thanks!<br />
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--[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 22:32, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Sorry about the mix-up, if I had realized it was a magazine I would have left it for some one else. I'll have a look at the submission and approve if it looks ok, if I'm uncertain I'll flag it for a mod who deals more with magazines. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:14, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I think the best thing to do is delete the rogue entries and the you can submit a clone of an existing pub with the necessary changes.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:22, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Rogue records have been deleted, just use the cloning option, this way no merging or changing title records is necessary, everything will be where it should be.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:33, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks for your help with the rogue entries! Now I will ask you help with another matter: The latest issue (pub record #950024) does not appear listed along with the previous five. I refer to the page in the link that appears [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?67858 here]. Can you please help with this as well? I don't know what to change in the pub info to link it to the others. Thanks!<br />
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::: Update: I have just submitted a clone request for the first 5 issues, changing the format to ebook and adding the format (PDF) to the notes field. I will do the same to Issue 6 once we sort out the above point. Thanks and have a good day!<br />
:::--[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 13:07, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::All fixed just had to add the series name to the title record.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 18:23, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::Perfect! Thank you very much!! Now I just created the variants for the artworks in the latest issue, and once they are approved, I will clone it to the ebook format. Thank you for all your help!!<br />
:::::--[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 19:30, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Not a Variant ==<br />
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Hello Kraang, I recently submitted two title update requests because I noticed a typo in the title of a short sory and its accompaining interiorart.<br />
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Issue 1 of "Histórias Extraordinárias" magazine ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?913217 December 2020]) contains a short story called "Hypnos e Morfeu". However, when inserting the data months ago, I wrote "Morfeu'''s'''" (with an "s") instead of "Morfeu". The story also has an interiorart which received the same name (wrong, with the 's').<br />
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I noticed the error last week and submitted two requests:<br />
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1) Submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5661908 #5661908] to change the short story title (Title Record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3076119 #3076119])<br />
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2) Submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5661909 #5661909] to change the interiorart title (Title Record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3076118 #3076118])<br />
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The titles are shared by the bedsheet and ebook publications (ebook is a clone of the bedsheet).<br />
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However, while for the interiorart it seems all ok, the short story lists the correct name as a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3082550 variant of the old name], which it is not. The old title should be deleted and the corrected title should be kept. We should just correct the typo, not create a variant.<br />
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It currently appears as --> Variant Title of: Hypnos e Morfeus (by Marcus Garrett) [may list more publications, awards, reviews, votes and covers]<br />
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Can you please help with this?<br />
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I believe that deleting [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3082550 this record] would be enough to break this "variant link" but I am not sure, so I am asking for your help.<br />
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Thanks.<br />
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--[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 19:41, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I dropped the "s" on the parent title, but the variant is correct since the short story is written using an alternate name. A variant is created to the parent name "Marcus Garrett".[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:25, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::OK! I stand corrected. Thanks for fixing the issue of the extra "s". All seems to be OK now. Sorry about the inconvenience. Have a nice week! --[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 19:57, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Live Free or Die ==<br />
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Just a note that I fixed a capitalization issue ("or" was recorded as "Or") on your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?304688 verified]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:24, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Abhorsen ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Please keep an eye for the "Language mismatch" warnings when approving imports: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5246823 this] should not have been approved - instead a new cover should have been created for the Dutch books and then varianted. We match the art language to the book language even when the titles are the same. I had unmerged and I am working through a series of these you approved so just dropping you a note. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:54, 30 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zebrowski - Ashes and Stars ==<br />
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Hello, I'm letting you know I'm adding Reginald3 ID# to your PV'd {{P|186781|pub here}}. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 02:08, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Also to {{P|44249|The Monadic Universe}}. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:06, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:If just adding ID's or extra data to notes I'm fine with that , no need to notify me, but thanks anyways. :)[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 16:01, 3 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zebrowski - The Omega Point Trilogy ==<br />
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Hello, with regard to your {{P|93651|Canadian edition}}, I'm assuming that it's essentially the same as the {{P|277309|US edition}} which has pages as viii+295. Does yours have roman numeral numbered pages? If so, I suggest they should be recorded - even though there is/might be no content needing recording - per the pages help guide. What do you think? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:46, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The contents are the same just the cover is different, I'll update the page number. Thanks.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 16:03, 3 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cat People ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5675093; Some confusion here, in case you can clear it up. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:04, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:This was a stray pub, the database was full of them in the early days so I created a title record for it and moved on to the next one. The searching of databases & sellers is a lot easier now with all the links. All fixed now.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 19:41, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zelazny - The Chronicles of Amber: Volume I ==<br />
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Hello, way back when, you moderated the last two submissions for {{T|39628|this title}}. I can't find any justification or source for the date being 1979-01-01 instead of the Doubleday 1979-01-00. What do you think? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:20, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No idea, just slipped in, so I'll make it go back one day to 1979-01-00.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 22:02, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: :) thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:16, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jack Campbell: Invincible ==<br />
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I have a pending submission to remove the series name from your PVed record. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5712286 submission]. Any problem with me finishing the approval? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:15, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No problem change away.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 10:17, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Seedling Stars ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128431; A copy was uploaded to Archive.org last fall so I've added a link in a PENDING edit but neither Open Library or Amazon seem to have the cover so maybe you'd like to upload yours or an online cover that looks like yours. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:46, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Recent approvals. ==<br />
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Greetings Kraang, I've asked a new editor what makes a number of his new publication submissions eligible for inclusion. You may wish to comment [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Twisty#Speculative_Fiction.3F here] since you approved them. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:29, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Hi! It would also be appreciated if you could keep an eye on text lengths. For example, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?959237 this] - with 32 pages - can't be a novel as initially approved (I changed this one to CHAPBOOK). Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:45, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Magazines dating question ==<br />
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Hello Kraang, <br />
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Can you clarify the approved date [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5678636 here]? We date magazines based on their cover date and if another means is used, it needs to be in the notes. That applies to magazines where Amazon may have an exact date as well... I do not see a note explaining the dating. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:18, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Deal so little with magazines I forget about all the different rules, only approved the edit to get the stories. Please change the date to what it should be, I'll try to be more careful with magazine submissions in the future or I might just avoid magazine submissions altogether no matter how correct it looks. THanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 16:17, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: I will work with the editor - they seem to have changed the date similarly in more than one magazine. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:31, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Joe Haldeman / Camouflage - Cover Image ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?63142 Camouflage]. The Amazon image on this pub record is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?351561 Artwork A] whereas my copy has [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1866095 Artwork B]. Can you please check your copy. If you agree, I will scan my cover, upload it and also correct the coverart record. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:56, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Mine has the correct cover image ArtwokA.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:12, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Had a better look & it's similar to ArtworkA but a bit different, but not at all like ArtworkB, will have to upload mine or find new Amazon image. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:17, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Replace image from Amazon with correct cover, will do a scan of covers in the future & replace this and some others.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:22, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::The new Amazon image to which you have linked is the correct cover and it is Artwork B; it's just that the hb cover is much darker than the pb and ebook covers. The image is not ideal because it has the "Copyrighted Material" watermarks at top and bottom. Let me know whether you'd like me to upload and link a scan from my copy or whether you'd prefer to do it yourself. Also, the pub record needs to have the current Artwork A coverart record removed and the Artwork B coverart record imported. Again, please let me know whether you'd like me to submit edits for this or whether you'd prefer to do it yourself. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 11:18, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Please go ahead and upload your cover, plus all the necessary changes. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 12:21, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I have submitted the first 3 of 5 edits. I will submit the last 2 after the first 3 have been processed. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:48, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Gaiman/Pratchett - Ein gutes Omen ==<br />
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Hi,<br />
[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?961539 this submission] of mine was wrong. Don't know what happened there, may have mistakenly pressed enter or a browser hickup. Was intended for the 3rd printing of the Piper edition, which i've entered separately. As the faulty one was approved too, i have corrected it to an entry for the first printing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5722245]. Please take a look. [[User:Welo|Welo]] ([[User talk:Welo|talk]]) 02:57, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No problem approved. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 09:21, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Hounds of God ==<br />
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You recently moderated [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41701 this] publication but did not take account of the note I made in reference to the cover art credit which is still wrong - shows Kevin Eugene Johnson not Steve Crisp. I can't edit the credit to the correct one since it's linked to the 'other' cover (the one by Johnson) that is decidedly not the same as the Steven Crisp cover. Take note that Steven Crisp and Steve Crisp are one and the same person. If you could use your moderation wand to sort that out that'd be great. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 01:15, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:to fix this I'll unmerge the incorrect cover then change to Steven Crisp and last create variant to parent name Steve Crisp.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 10:27, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Impact-20 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17894; http://bookscans.com/Publishers/pblib/pblib01.htm; I'd like to replace Impact-20 Amazon cover with Bookscans cover, color is less faded, if that's OK. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:21, 28 July 2023 (EDT)</div>
Kraang
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:YanniRotten&diff=667981
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Kraang&diff=667673
User talk:Kraang
2023-07-22T16:21:04Z
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== SF: The Year's Greatest Science-Fiction and Fantasy Second Annual Volume / Title change discussion ==<br />
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Please respond at [[User_talk:GlennMcG#SF:_The_Year.27s_Greatest_Science-Fiction_and_Fantasy_Second_Annual_Volume_.2F_Shared_title_change_discussion|GlennMcG talk]]. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 19:52, 1 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Reeve - Station Zero ==<br />
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Hi, first off, thanks for your moderating my submissions! Out of curiousity, what went wrong with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5533261 this submission] where you fixed the HTML? Was it two spaces instead of one between the text and the link? That's the only difference I can see. Thanks for fixing it anyway! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:00, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:There was an extra "< / ul >" that appeared to be the problem, since you use a similar template in notes I looked at a previous one & removed the extra. Happy to moderate submissions, took a couple of months of now I'm back.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:26, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Ah, found it, thanks, and welcome back! Incidentally, these two submissions [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5530361 5530361] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5530366 5530366] have been hanging around for a while. I wondered if they've dropped out of moderators sight...? Kev.--[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:55, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Wow! Thanks! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:04, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Daniel Boring ==<br />
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Hi, Kraang. I have a (slightly ridiculous) question about [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?103216| David Boring]. Back in 2009, you added the note about it being reviewed in an SF publication. Do you know which? It doesn't have any reviews listed right now. I know it's been years, but I'm curious. Thanks! —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 03:13, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:No idea now. I did a lot of cleanup of non-genre & graphic novels at the time. Possibly a link to the review has been deleted, being of a graphic novel. Now all that is left is the novel & my note. Hope this helps.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 12:11, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Aha! I found it: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1299001]. I'll change it back to a review. —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 12:16, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::: I would not change it to a review - the graphic novel is NOT eligible to be here... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:54, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== La canción de Bêlit ==<br />
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The novel was published in Brazil, but they divided it into four parts, only volume 1 came out, how do I register?[[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 14:16, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Add the publication in as a Chapbook and in the Regular Title section add (Part 1 of 4) or (Vol 1) after title, then make title type a serial. Are the other three parts going to be published? If not then a note would help explain it's intension to be a novel but has not been completed. Hope this helps, I'll lookout for your submission.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:33, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::the publisher's page says it would be published in two volumes, the cover artist's Facebook page says in four parts, however, only the first volume was published, nothing was said if there will be continuation. I think the illustrator is right, as the original book has 572 pages and this one has 176. In the original book, it seems to already be divided into 4 parts. [[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 12:21, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Looking at the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?932583 original (2017) Spanish text], I see the following note:<br />
:::* Robert E. Howard's [novelette] "La Reina de la Costa Negra", which is included in its entirety in this novel, was originally published in ''Weird Tales'' in May 1934 as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?68499 "The Queen of the Black Coast."] The Spanish translation is the work of Rodolfo Martínez [...]<br />
::: This explains why the title page and the cover credit both Howard and Martínez. I suggest that we add Howard's name to the Spanish title as well as to the proposed Portuguese title.<br />
::: I can also confirm that the Spanish original consists of 4 "cuarta"s ("quarters"), so it seems likely that a 176-page book would contain the first "quarter" as opposed to the first half of the original, which is 572 pages long. Furthermore, the Spanish original is 168K words long. The four "quarters" are novella length since they are under the 40K limit:<br />
:::* First "quarter" -- 19%<br />
:::* Second "quarter" -- 23%<br />
:::* Third "quarter" -- 23%<br />
:::* Fourth "quarter" -- 21%<br />
:::* Appendices, including Martínez's translation of Howard's fictionalized essay [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?121948 "The Hyborian Age"] -- 12%<br />
::: This means that Kraang's guess above is correct and they are, in ISFDB terms, SERIALs as opposed to "split novels". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:33, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::Yes, the subtitle in Portuguese is "A tigresa e o leão", which is the same as "la tigresa y el léon" described as "libro primero" (first book).[[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 19:45, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
Enter the first book with as much detail you can find & I'll fix it up as best I can. I'll deal with the other submission tomorrow night when I get home. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:24, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::A second book was published [https://aveceditora.com.br/produto/a-cancao-de-belit-2 A canção de Bêlit: a última jornada][[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 09:57, 1 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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I understand, in fact the novel is divided into four parts and each book publishes two parts. [[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 09:29, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pwendt for self-approver ==<br />
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Hi, Kraang. Happy New Year! I hope to be a self-approver imminently. I prefer to be nominated by another, but I plan to nominate myself ("Self-nomination for self-approver") sometime tomorrow if none of you, plural, is available ready and willing in the next 20 hours or so. I write to a couple others too. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:42, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Back form short holiday will support self-approver.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:34, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Theodora Goss / The Thorn and the Blossom - Deletion Problem ==<br />
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You have processed all my submissions for this title to date but I'm now stuck on a step. As you know, I'm converting this from a Chapbook with a Novella to a Collection with two Novelettes. I now want to delete the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1347059 Novella record] as it has no associated pubs but I can't. When I try to "Delete This Title", I get the message "Error: 1 awards still refer to this title". There is no option to remove the Award or the Reviews so how do I go about deleting the Novella? Incidentally, I have taken a note of the Award and 5 Reviews and will import them to the container title for the Collection once it has been created. Thanks in advance for your help. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 07:54, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Yes, but it seems it is the piece of shortfiction that got the award, and it should have been published somewhere (or was it handed to one of the two new titles?). Or it may be possible to link the award to the collection instead. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:02, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I'll have a look at this tonight. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 11:33, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Ok everything should be fixed, the award & reviews are there , except the award describes it as "Best Novelette". Maybe an explanation should be added to explain the difference.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 13:38, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::All looks good now, thanks. One last piece of tidying up: deletion of the old, incorrectly titled Interiorart record. I have submitted an edit to do this. I see where you're coming from regarding an explanation of the Locus award as "Best Novelette" but I have no idea why Locus considered it to be a Novelette. The approx word counts are: Brendan's Story - 10,500 and Evelyn's Story - 10,900. So even if you consider the whole work to be a single piece of fiction (which it isn't), the total word count is 21,400 hence Novella. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:46, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Link fix ==<br />
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Thanks for your time fixing that wrong image link :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:42, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Asimov - I, Robot - by Fawcett Crest ==<br />
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Hi, re your {{P|205693|PV here}}, this is just a heads-up to point to my discussion with Tom [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Taweiss#Asimov_-_I.2C_Robot Taweiss] regarding Fawcett covers and this {{P|205285|1970 printing}}. You might find something there for yours. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 00:53, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I'll have a look at my copy tonight and see if there is anything to add. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 12:32, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Self-Approver ==<br />
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Hello, as you're in the list of moderators handling my most recent submission, can you please comment on https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Self-Moderation_Request? --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 06:43, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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Thanks for the work you're doing and for fixing the asterisk - don't know how that got in there... Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:59, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Easy fix once I figured out what was wrong, was not obvious at first.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:14, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Signet -> Signet / New American Library ==<br />
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Any objection to changing this to Signet / New American Library<br><br />
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:Please submit the change. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 11:23, 12 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Many thanks! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:56, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I'll have a go at the rest tomorrow if there still on the board. I see what you are doing but in a way that may take a bit of unmerging and re merging. I need to look at all the relevant edits before I proceed. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:06, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Please don't take any actions further to my outstanding edits (apart from approval or not), as I'm aware of everything that needs to be done going forward and I'm tracking it all - what needs to be done in which order. Thanks again, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:26, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK, I'll do them now. As an alternative method just unmerge the publications & rename if necessary, then remerged with the correct title record. Generally this will have less steps. Hope this helps. :)[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:43, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Yes, I tried considering the number of steps involved, trying to work out the most efficient (and I've unmerged/remerged in the past) but I opted for the simple one-step-at-a time approach as the whole thing is quite complex. But thanks for your considerate thought :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:47, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Getting back to my 'pending', I see you've cleared them all. What excellent communication! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:50, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
Happy to help. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:54, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Impressive! Thanks again :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:20, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Incorrect info added to database ==<br />
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Hello Kraang, I am one of the editors of the Brazilian magazine Histórias Extraordinárias. We have published six issues so far. The latest one was published in April 2023 and it has been added recently to the database (submission #5652271).<br />
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I noticed that two more records appeared, probably submitted by someone else but approved by you. They somehow duplicate the info (with much less detail), but incorrectly state that Histórias Extraordinárias is an ANTHOLOGY, which it is not. It is a magazine that publishes new material.<br />
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The incorrect publication records are: #950021 and #950023.<br />
We just launched all six issues in digital versions (PDF) so I believe that the submitter wants to include them. I agree that they should appear as different format, but we should at least just duplicate the existing information (which is "official" and more comprehensive) changing only the format. Can you please help us in this regard once we sort out these two "rogue" records? :)<br />
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The six magazine issues so far are the following:<br />
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{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ Histórias Extraordinárias Magazine<br />
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! Issue number !! detail !! Pub record !! Incorrect<br />
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| Issue 1|| December 2020|| #913217|| #950021<br />
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| Issue 2 || April 2021|| #914003|| #950023<br />
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| Issue 3 || August 2021|| #914004||<br />
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| Issue 4 || December 2021|| #914005||<br />
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| Issue 5 || August 2022|| #915288||<br />
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| Issue 6 || April 2023|| #950024||<br />
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As a side note, the latest issue is not appearing in the publication series #67858. I spotted a difference in how the title is formatted in the Title Record and submitted a change request in order to correct it (submission #5659612). I ask you to please review and apply the suitable correction. Thanks!<br />
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--[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 22:32, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Sorry about the mix-up, if I had realized it was a magazine I would have left it for some one else. I'll have a look at the submission and approve if it looks ok, if I'm uncertain I'll flag it for a mod who deals more with magazines. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:14, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I think the best thing to do is delete the rogue entries and the you can submit a clone of an existing pub with the necessary changes.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:22, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Rogue records have been deleted, just use the cloning option, this way no merging or changing title records is necessary, everything will be where it should be.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:33, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks for your help with the rogue entries! Now I will ask you help with another matter: The latest issue (pub record #950024) does not appear listed along with the previous five. I refer to the page in the link that appears [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?67858 here]. Can you please help with this as well? I don't know what to change in the pub info to link it to the others. Thanks!<br />
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::: Update: I have just submitted a clone request for the first 5 issues, changing the format to ebook and adding the format (PDF) to the notes field. I will do the same to Issue 6 once we sort out the above point. Thanks and have a good day!<br />
:::--[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 13:07, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::All fixed just had to add the series name to the title record.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 18:23, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::Perfect! Thank you very much!! Now I just created the variants for the artworks in the latest issue, and once they are approved, I will clone it to the ebook format. Thank you for all your help!!<br />
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== Not a Variant ==<br />
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Hello Kraang, I recently submitted two title update requests because I noticed a typo in the title of a short sory and its accompaining interiorart.<br />
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Issue 1 of "Histórias Extraordinárias" magazine ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?913217 December 2020]) contains a short story called "Hypnos e Morfeu". However, when inserting the data months ago, I wrote "Morfeu'''s'''" (with an "s") instead of "Morfeu". The story also has an interiorart which received the same name (wrong, with the 's').<br />
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I noticed the error last week and submitted two requests:<br />
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1) Submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5661908 #5661908] to change the short story title (Title Record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3076119 #3076119])<br />
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2) Submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5661909 #5661909] to change the interiorart title (Title Record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3076118 #3076118])<br />
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The titles are shared by the bedsheet and ebook publications (ebook is a clone of the bedsheet).<br />
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However, while for the interiorart it seems all ok, the short story lists the correct name as a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3082550 variant of the old name], which it is not. The old title should be deleted and the corrected title should be kept. We should just correct the typo, not create a variant.<br />
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It currently appears as --> Variant Title of: Hypnos e Morfeus (by Marcus Garrett) [may list more publications, awards, reviews, votes and covers]<br />
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Can you please help with this?<br />
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I believe that deleting [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3082550 this record] would be enough to break this "variant link" but I am not sure, so I am asking for your help.<br />
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Thanks.<br />
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--[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 19:41, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I dropped the "s" on the parent title, but the variant is correct since the short story is written using an alternate name. A variant is created to the parent name "Marcus Garrett".[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:25, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::OK! I stand corrected. Thanks for fixing the issue of the extra "s". All seems to be OK now. Sorry about the inconvenience. Have a nice week! --[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 19:57, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Live Free or Die ==<br />
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Just a note that I fixed a capitalization issue ("or" was recorded as "Or") on your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?304688 verified]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:24, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Abhorsen ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Please keep an eye for the "Language mismatch" warnings when approving imports: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5246823 this] should not have been approved - instead a new cover should have been created for the Dutch books and then varianted. We match the art language to the book language even when the titles are the same. I had unmerged and I am working through a series of these you approved so just dropping you a note. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:54, 30 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zebrowski - Ashes and Stars ==<br />
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Hello, I'm letting you know I'm adding Reginald3 ID# to your PV'd {{P|186781|pub here}}. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 02:08, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Also to {{P|44249|The Monadic Universe}}. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:06, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:If just adding ID's or extra data to notes I'm fine with that , no need to notify me, but thanks anyways. :)[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 16:01, 3 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zebrowski - The Omega Point Trilogy ==<br />
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Hello, with regard to your {{P|93651|Canadian edition}}, I'm assuming that it's essentially the same as the {{P|277309|US edition}} which has pages as viii+295. Does yours have roman numeral numbered pages? If so, I suggest they should be recorded - even though there is/might be no content needing recording - per the pages help guide. What do you think? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:46, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The contents are the same just the cover is different, I'll update the page number. Thanks.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 16:03, 3 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cat People ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5675093; Some confusion here, in case you can clear it up. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:04, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:This was a stray pub, the database was full of them in the early days so I created a title record for it and moved on to the next one. The searching of databases & sellers is a lot easier now with all the links. All fixed now.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 19:41, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zelazny - The Chronicles of Amber: Volume I ==<br />
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Hello, way back when, you moderated the last two submissions for {{T|39628|this title}}. I can't find any justification or source for the date being 1979-01-01 instead of the Doubleday 1979-01-00. What do you think? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:20, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No idea, just slipped in, so I'll make it go back one day to 1979-01-00.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 22:02, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: :) thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:16, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jack Campbell: Invincible ==<br />
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I have a pending submission to remove the series name from your PVed record. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5712286 submission]. Any problem with me finishing the approval? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:15, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No problem change away.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 10:17, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Seedling Stars ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128431; A copy was uploaded to Archive.org last fall so I've added a link in a PENDING edit but neither Open Library or Amazon seem to have the cover so maybe you'd like to upload yours or an online cover that looks like yours. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:46, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Recent approvals. ==<br />
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Greetings Kraang, I've asked a new editor what makes a number of his new publication submissions eligible for inclusion. You may wish to comment [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Twisty#Speculative_Fiction.3F here] since you approved them. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:29, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Hi! It would also be appreciated if you could keep an eye on text lengths. For example, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?959237 this] - with 32 pages - can't be a novel as initially approved (I changed this one to CHAPBOOK). Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:45, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Magazines dating question ==<br />
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Hello Kraang, <br />
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Can you clarify the approved date [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5678636 here]? We date magazines based on their cover date and if another means is used, it needs to be in the notes. That applies to magazines where Amazon may have an exact date as well... I do not see a note explaining the dating. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:18, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Deal so little with magazines I forget about all the different rules, only approved the edit to get the stories. Please change the date to what it should be, I'll try to be more careful with magazine submissions in the future or I might just avoid magazine submissions altogether no matter how correct it looks. THanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 16:17, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: I will work with the editor - they seem to have changed the date similarly in more than one magazine. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:31, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Joe Haldeman / Camouflage - Cover Image ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?63142 Camouflage]. The Amazon image on this pub record is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?351561 Artwork A] whereas my copy has [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1866095 Artwork B]. Can you please check your copy. If you agree, I will scan my cover, upload it and also correct the coverart record. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:56, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Mine has the correct cover image ArtwokA.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:12, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Had a better look & it's similar to ArtworkA but a bit different, but not at all like ArtworkB, will have to upload mine or find new Amazon image. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:17, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Replace image from Amazon with correct cover, will do a scan of covers in the future & replace this and some others.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:22, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::The new Amazon image to which you have linked is the correct cover and it is Artwork B; it's just that the hb cover is much darker than the pb and ebook covers. The image is not ideal because it has the "Copyrighted Material" watermarks at top and bottom. Let me know whether you'd like me to upload and link a scan from my copy or whether you'd prefer to do it yourself. Also, the pub record needs to have the current Artwork A coverart record removed and the Artwork B coverart record imported. Again, please let me know whether you'd like me to submit edits for this or whether you'd prefer to do it yourself. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 11:18, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Please go ahead and upload your cover, plus all the necessary changes. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 12:21, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Gaiman/Pratchett - Ein gutes Omen ==<br />
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Hi,<br />
[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?961539 this submission] of mine was wrong. Don't know what happened there, may have mistakenly pressed enter or a browser hickup. Was intended for the 3rd printing of the Piper edition, which i've entered separately. As the faulty one was approved too, i have corrected it to an entry for the first printing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5722245]. Please take a look. [[User:Welo|Welo]] ([[User talk:Welo|talk]]) 02:57, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No problem approved. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 09:21, 22 July 2023 (EDT)</div>
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Kraang&diff=667646
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== SF: The Year's Greatest Science-Fiction and Fantasy Second Annual Volume / Title change discussion ==<br />
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== Reeve - Station Zero ==<br />
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Hi, first off, thanks for your moderating my submissions! Out of curiousity, what went wrong with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5533261 this submission] where you fixed the HTML? Was it two spaces instead of one between the text and the link? That's the only difference I can see. Thanks for fixing it anyway! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:00, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:There was an extra "< / ul >" that appeared to be the problem, since you use a similar template in notes I looked at a previous one & removed the extra. Happy to moderate submissions, took a couple of months of now I'm back.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:26, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Ah, found it, thanks, and welcome back! Incidentally, these two submissions [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5530361 5530361] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5530366 5530366] have been hanging around for a while. I wondered if they've dropped out of moderators sight...? Kev.--[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:55, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Wow! Thanks! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:04, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Daniel Boring ==<br />
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Hi, Kraang. I have a (slightly ridiculous) question about [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?103216| David Boring]. Back in 2009, you added the note about it being reviewed in an SF publication. Do you know which? It doesn't have any reviews listed right now. I know it's been years, but I'm curious. Thanks! —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 03:13, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:No idea now. I did a lot of cleanup of non-genre & graphic novels at the time. Possibly a link to the review has been deleted, being of a graphic novel. Now all that is left is the novel & my note. Hope this helps.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 12:11, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Aha! I found it: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1299001]. I'll change it back to a review. —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 12:16, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::: I would not change it to a review - the graphic novel is NOT eligible to be here... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:54, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== La canción de Bêlit ==<br />
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The novel was published in Brazil, but they divided it into four parts, only volume 1 came out, how do I register?[[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 14:16, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Add the publication in as a Chapbook and in the Regular Title section add (Part 1 of 4) or (Vol 1) after title, then make title type a serial. Are the other three parts going to be published? If not then a note would help explain it's intension to be a novel but has not been completed. Hope this helps, I'll lookout for your submission.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:33, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::the publisher's page says it would be published in two volumes, the cover artist's Facebook page says in four parts, however, only the first volume was published, nothing was said if there will be continuation. I think the illustrator is right, as the original book has 572 pages and this one has 176. In the original book, it seems to already be divided into 4 parts. [[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 12:21, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Looking at the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?932583 original (2017) Spanish text], I see the following note:<br />
:::* Robert E. Howard's [novelette] "La Reina de la Costa Negra", which is included in its entirety in this novel, was originally published in ''Weird Tales'' in May 1934 as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?68499 "The Queen of the Black Coast."] The Spanish translation is the work of Rodolfo Martínez [...]<br />
::: This explains why the title page and the cover credit both Howard and Martínez. I suggest that we add Howard's name to the Spanish title as well as to the proposed Portuguese title.<br />
::: I can also confirm that the Spanish original consists of 4 "cuarta"s ("quarters"), so it seems likely that a 176-page book would contain the first "quarter" as opposed to the first half of the original, which is 572 pages long. Furthermore, the Spanish original is 168K words long. The four "quarters" are novella length since they are under the 40K limit:<br />
:::* First "quarter" -- 19%<br />
:::* Second "quarter" -- 23%<br />
:::* Third "quarter" -- 23%<br />
:::* Fourth "quarter" -- 21%<br />
:::* Appendices, including Martínez's translation of Howard's fictionalized essay [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?121948 "The Hyborian Age"] -- 12%<br />
::: This means that Kraang's guess above is correct and they are, in ISFDB terms, SERIALs as opposed to "split novels". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:33, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::Yes, the subtitle in Portuguese is "A tigresa e o leão", which is the same as "la tigresa y el léon" described as "libro primero" (first book).[[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 19:45, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
Enter the first book with as much detail you can find & I'll fix it up as best I can. I'll deal with the other submission tomorrow night when I get home. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:24, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::A second book was published [https://aveceditora.com.br/produto/a-cancao-de-belit-2 A canção de Bêlit: a última jornada][[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 09:57, 1 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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I understand, in fact the novel is divided into four parts and each book publishes two parts. [[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 09:29, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pwendt for self-approver ==<br />
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Hi, Kraang. Happy New Year! I hope to be a self-approver imminently. I prefer to be nominated by another, but I plan to nominate myself ("Self-nomination for self-approver") sometime tomorrow if none of you, plural, is available ready and willing in the next 20 hours or so. I write to a couple others too. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:42, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Back form short holiday will support self-approver.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:34, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Theodora Goss / The Thorn and the Blossom - Deletion Problem ==<br />
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You have processed all my submissions for this title to date but I'm now stuck on a step. As you know, I'm converting this from a Chapbook with a Novella to a Collection with two Novelettes. I now want to delete the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1347059 Novella record] as it has no associated pubs but I can't. When I try to "Delete This Title", I get the message "Error: 1 awards still refer to this title". There is no option to remove the Award or the Reviews so how do I go about deleting the Novella? Incidentally, I have taken a note of the Award and 5 Reviews and will import them to the container title for the Collection once it has been created. Thanks in advance for your help. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 07:54, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Yes, but it seems it is the piece of shortfiction that got the award, and it should have been published somewhere (or was it handed to one of the two new titles?). Or it may be possible to link the award to the collection instead. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:02, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I'll have a look at this tonight. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 11:33, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Ok everything should be fixed, the award & reviews are there , except the award describes it as "Best Novelette". Maybe an explanation should be added to explain the difference.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 13:38, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::All looks good now, thanks. One last piece of tidying up: deletion of the old, incorrectly titled Interiorart record. I have submitted an edit to do this. I see where you're coming from regarding an explanation of the Locus award as "Best Novelette" but I have no idea why Locus considered it to be a Novelette. The approx word counts are: Brendan's Story - 10,500 and Evelyn's Story - 10,900. So even if you consider the whole work to be a single piece of fiction (which it isn't), the total word count is 21,400 hence Novella. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:46, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Link fix ==<br />
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Thanks for your time fixing that wrong image link :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:42, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Asimov - I, Robot - by Fawcett Crest ==<br />
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Hi, re your {{P|205693|PV here}}, this is just a heads-up to point to my discussion with Tom [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Taweiss#Asimov_-_I.2C_Robot Taweiss] regarding Fawcett covers and this {{P|205285|1970 printing}}. You might find something there for yours. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 00:53, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I'll have a look at my copy tonight and see if there is anything to add. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 12:32, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Self-Approver ==<br />
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Hello, as you're in the list of moderators handling my most recent submission, can you please comment on https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Self-Moderation_Request? --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 06:43, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== :) ==<br />
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Thanks for the work you're doing and for fixing the asterisk - don't know how that got in there... Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:59, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Easy fix once I figured out what was wrong, was not obvious at first.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:14, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Signet -> Signet / New American Library ==<br />
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Any objection to changing this to Signet / New American Library<br><br />
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<li>https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?229073</li><br />
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:Please submit the change. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 11:23, 12 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== :) ==<br />
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Many thanks! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:56, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I'll have a go at the rest tomorrow if there still on the board. I see what you are doing but in a way that may take a bit of unmerging and re merging. I need to look at all the relevant edits before I proceed. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:06, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Please don't take any actions further to my outstanding edits (apart from approval or not), as I'm aware of everything that needs to be done going forward and I'm tracking it all - what needs to be done in which order. Thanks again, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:26, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK, I'll do them now. As an alternative method just unmerge the publications & rename if necessary, then remerged with the correct title record. Generally this will have less steps. Hope this helps. :)[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:43, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Yes, I tried considering the number of steps involved, trying to work out the most efficient (and I've unmerged/remerged in the past) but I opted for the simple one-step-at-a time approach as the whole thing is quite complex. But thanks for your considerate thought :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:47, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Getting back to my 'pending', I see you've cleared them all. What excellent communication! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:50, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
Happy to help. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:54, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Impressive! Thanks again :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:20, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Incorrect info added to database ==<br />
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Hello Kraang, I am one of the editors of the Brazilian magazine Histórias Extraordinárias. We have published six issues so far. The latest one was published in April 2023 and it has been added recently to the database (submission #5652271).<br />
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I noticed that two more records appeared, probably submitted by someone else but approved by you. They somehow duplicate the info (with much less detail), but incorrectly state that Histórias Extraordinárias is an ANTHOLOGY, which it is not. It is a magazine that publishes new material.<br />
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The incorrect publication records are: #950021 and #950023.<br />
We just launched all six issues in digital versions (PDF) so I believe that the submitter wants to include them. I agree that they should appear as different format, but we should at least just duplicate the existing information (which is "official" and more comprehensive) changing only the format. Can you please help us in this regard once we sort out these two "rogue" records? :)<br />
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The six magazine issues so far are the following:<br />
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{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ Histórias Extraordinárias Magazine<br />
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! Issue number !! detail !! Pub record !! Incorrect<br />
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| Issue 1|| December 2020|| #913217|| #950021<br />
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| Issue 2 || April 2021|| #914003|| #950023<br />
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| Issue 3 || August 2021|| #914004||<br />
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| Issue 4 || December 2021|| #914005||<br />
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| Issue 5 || August 2022|| #915288||<br />
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| Issue 6 || April 2023|| #950024||<br />
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As a side note, the latest issue is not appearing in the publication series #67858. I spotted a difference in how the title is formatted in the Title Record and submitted a change request in order to correct it (submission #5659612). I ask you to please review and apply the suitable correction. Thanks!<br />
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--[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 22:32, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Sorry about the mix-up, if I had realized it was a magazine I would have left it for some one else. I'll have a look at the submission and approve if it looks ok, if I'm uncertain I'll flag it for a mod who deals more with magazines. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:14, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I think the best thing to do is delete the rogue entries and the you can submit a clone of an existing pub with the necessary changes.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:22, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Rogue records have been deleted, just use the cloning option, this way no merging or changing title records is necessary, everything will be where it should be.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:33, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks for your help with the rogue entries! Now I will ask you help with another matter: The latest issue (pub record #950024) does not appear listed along with the previous five. I refer to the page in the link that appears [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?67858 here]. Can you please help with this as well? I don't know what to change in the pub info to link it to the others. Thanks!<br />
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::: Update: I have just submitted a clone request for the first 5 issues, changing the format to ebook and adding the format (PDF) to the notes field. I will do the same to Issue 6 once we sort out the above point. Thanks and have a good day!<br />
:::--[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 13:07, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::All fixed just had to add the series name to the title record.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 18:23, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::Perfect! Thank you very much!! Now I just created the variants for the artworks in the latest issue, and once they are approved, I will clone it to the ebook format. Thank you for all your help!!<br />
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== Not a Variant ==<br />
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Hello Kraang, I recently submitted two title update requests because I noticed a typo in the title of a short sory and its accompaining interiorart.<br />
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Issue 1 of "Histórias Extraordinárias" magazine ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?913217 December 2020]) contains a short story called "Hypnos e Morfeu". However, when inserting the data months ago, I wrote "Morfeu'''s'''" (with an "s") instead of "Morfeu". The story also has an interiorart which received the same name (wrong, with the 's').<br />
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I noticed the error last week and submitted two requests:<br />
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1) Submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5661908 #5661908] to change the short story title (Title Record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3076119 #3076119])<br />
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2) Submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5661909 #5661909] to change the interiorart title (Title Record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3076118 #3076118])<br />
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The titles are shared by the bedsheet and ebook publications (ebook is a clone of the bedsheet).<br />
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However, while for the interiorart it seems all ok, the short story lists the correct name as a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3082550 variant of the old name], which it is not. The old title should be deleted and the corrected title should be kept. We should just correct the typo, not create a variant.<br />
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It currently appears as --> Variant Title of: Hypnos e Morfeus (by Marcus Garrett) [may list more publications, awards, reviews, votes and covers]<br />
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Can you please help with this?<br />
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I believe that deleting [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3082550 this record] would be enough to break this "variant link" but I am not sure, so I am asking for your help.<br />
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Thanks.<br />
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--[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 19:41, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I dropped the "s" on the parent title, but the variant is correct since the short story is written using an alternate name. A variant is created to the parent name "Marcus Garrett".[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:25, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::OK! I stand corrected. Thanks for fixing the issue of the extra "s". All seems to be OK now. Sorry about the inconvenience. Have a nice week! --[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 19:57, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Live Free or Die ==<br />
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Just a note that I fixed a capitalization issue ("or" was recorded as "Or") on your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?304688 verified]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:24, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Abhorsen ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Please keep an eye for the "Language mismatch" warnings when approving imports: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5246823 this] should not have been approved - instead a new cover should have been created for the Dutch books and then varianted. We match the art language to the book language even when the titles are the same. I had unmerged and I am working through a series of these you approved so just dropping you a note. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:54, 30 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zebrowski - Ashes and Stars ==<br />
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Hello, I'm letting you know I'm adding Reginald3 ID# to your PV'd {{P|186781|pub here}}. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 02:08, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Also to {{P|44249|The Monadic Universe}}. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:06, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:If just adding ID's or extra data to notes I'm fine with that , no need to notify me, but thanks anyways. :)[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 16:01, 3 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zebrowski - The Omega Point Trilogy ==<br />
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Hello, with regard to your {{P|93651|Canadian edition}}, I'm assuming that it's essentially the same as the {{P|277309|US edition}} which has pages as viii+295. Does yours have roman numeral numbered pages? If so, I suggest they should be recorded - even though there is/might be no content needing recording - per the pages help guide. What do you think? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:46, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The contents are the same just the cover is different, I'll update the page number. Thanks.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 16:03, 3 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cat People ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5675093; Some confusion here, in case you can clear it up. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:04, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:This was a stray pub, the database was full of them in the early days so I created a title record for it and moved on to the next one. The searching of databases & sellers is a lot easier now with all the links. All fixed now.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 19:41, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zelazny - The Chronicles of Amber: Volume I ==<br />
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Hello, way back when, you moderated the last two submissions for {{T|39628|this title}}. I can't find any justification or source for the date being 1979-01-01 instead of the Doubleday 1979-01-00. What do you think? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:20, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No idea, just slipped in, so I'll make it go back one day to 1979-01-00.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 22:02, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: :) thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:16, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jack Campbell: Invincible ==<br />
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I have a pending submission to remove the series name from your PVed record. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5712286 submission]. Any problem with me finishing the approval? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:15, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No problem change away.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 10:17, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Seedling Stars ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128431; A copy was uploaded to Archive.org last fall so I've added a link in a PENDING edit but neither Open Library or Amazon seem to have the cover so maybe you'd like to upload yours or an online cover that looks like yours. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:46, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Recent approvals. ==<br />
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Greetings Kraang, I've asked a new editor what makes a number of his new publication submissions eligible for inclusion. You may wish to comment [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Twisty#Speculative_Fiction.3F here] since you approved them. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:29, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Hi! It would also be appreciated if you could keep an eye on text lengths. For example, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?959237 this] - with 32 pages - can't be a novel as initially approved (I changed this one to CHAPBOOK). Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:45, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Magazines dating question ==<br />
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Hello Kraang, <br />
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Can you clarify the approved date [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5678636 here]? We date magazines based on their cover date and if another means is used, it needs to be in the notes. That applies to magazines where Amazon may have an exact date as well... I do not see a note explaining the dating. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:18, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Deal so little with magazines I forget about all the different rules, only approved the edit to get the stories. Please change the date to what it should be, I'll try to be more careful with magazine submissions in the future or I might just avoid magazine submissions altogether no matter how correct it looks. THanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 16:17, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: I will work with the editor - they seem to have changed the date similarly in more than one magazine. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:31, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Joe Haldeman / Camouflage - Cover Image ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?63142 Camouflage]. The Amazon image on this pub record is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?351561 Artwork A] whereas my copy has [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1866095 Artwork B]. Can you please check your copy. If you agree, I will scan my cover, upload it and also correct the coverart record. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:56, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Mine has the correct cover image ArtwokA.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:12, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Had a better look & it's similar to ArtworkA but a bit different, but not at all like ArtworkB, will have to upload mine or find new Amazon image. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:17, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Replace image from Amazon with correct cover, will do a scan of covers in the future & replace this and some others.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:22, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Gaiman/Pratchett - Ein gutes Omen ==<br />
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Hi,<br />
[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?961539 this submission] of mine was wrong. Don't know what happened there, may have mistakenly pressed enter or a browser hickup. Was intended for the 3rd printing of the Piper edition, which i've entered separately. As the faulty one was approved too, i have corrected it to an entry for the first printing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5722245]. Please take a look. [[User:Welo|Welo]] ([[User talk:Welo|talk]]) 02:57, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No problem approved. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 09:21, 22 July 2023 (EDT)</div>
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== Reeve - Station Zero ==<br />
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Hi, first off, thanks for your moderating my submissions! Out of curiousity, what went wrong with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5533261 this submission] where you fixed the HTML? Was it two spaces instead of one between the text and the link? That's the only difference I can see. Thanks for fixing it anyway! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:00, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:There was an extra "< / ul >" that appeared to be the problem, since you use a similar template in notes I looked at a previous one & removed the extra. Happy to moderate submissions, took a couple of months of now I'm back.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:26, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Ah, found it, thanks, and welcome back! Incidentally, these two submissions [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5530361 5530361] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5530366 5530366] have been hanging around for a while. I wondered if they've dropped out of moderators sight...? Kev.--[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:55, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Wow! Thanks! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:04, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Daniel Boring ==<br />
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Hi, Kraang. I have a (slightly ridiculous) question about [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?103216| David Boring]. Back in 2009, you added the note about it being reviewed in an SF publication. Do you know which? It doesn't have any reviews listed right now. I know it's been years, but I'm curious. Thanks! —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 03:13, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:No idea now. I did a lot of cleanup of non-genre & graphic novels at the time. Possibly a link to the review has been deleted, being of a graphic novel. Now all that is left is the novel & my note. Hope this helps.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 12:11, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Aha! I found it: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1299001]. I'll change it back to a review. —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 12:16, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::: I would not change it to a review - the graphic novel is NOT eligible to be here... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:54, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== La canción de Bêlit ==<br />
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The novel was published in Brazil, but they divided it into four parts, only volume 1 came out, how do I register?[[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 14:16, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Add the publication in as a Chapbook and in the Regular Title section add (Part 1 of 4) or (Vol 1) after title, then make title type a serial. Are the other three parts going to be published? If not then a note would help explain it's intension to be a novel but has not been completed. Hope this helps, I'll lookout for your submission.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:33, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::the publisher's page says it would be published in two volumes, the cover artist's Facebook page says in four parts, however, only the first volume was published, nothing was said if there will be continuation. I think the illustrator is right, as the original book has 572 pages and this one has 176. In the original book, it seems to already be divided into 4 parts. [[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 12:21, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Looking at the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?932583 original (2017) Spanish text], I see the following note:<br />
:::* Robert E. Howard's [novelette] "La Reina de la Costa Negra", which is included in its entirety in this novel, was originally published in ''Weird Tales'' in May 1934 as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?68499 "The Queen of the Black Coast."] The Spanish translation is the work of Rodolfo Martínez [...]<br />
::: This explains why the title page and the cover credit both Howard and Martínez. I suggest that we add Howard's name to the Spanish title as well as to the proposed Portuguese title.<br />
::: I can also confirm that the Spanish original consists of 4 "cuarta"s ("quarters"), so it seems likely that a 176-page book would contain the first "quarter" as opposed to the first half of the original, which is 572 pages long. Furthermore, the Spanish original is 168K words long. The four "quarters" are novella length since they are under the 40K limit:<br />
:::* First "quarter" -- 19%<br />
:::* Second "quarter" -- 23%<br />
:::* Third "quarter" -- 23%<br />
:::* Fourth "quarter" -- 21%<br />
:::* Appendices, including Martínez's translation of Howard's fictionalized essay [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?121948 "The Hyborian Age"] -- 12%<br />
::: This means that Kraang's guess above is correct and they are, in ISFDB terms, SERIALs as opposed to "split novels". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:33, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::Yes, the subtitle in Portuguese is "A tigresa e o leão", which is the same as "la tigresa y el léon" described as "libro primero" (first book).[[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 19:45, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
Enter the first book with as much detail you can find & I'll fix it up as best I can. I'll deal with the other submission tomorrow night when I get home. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:24, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::A second book was published [https://aveceditora.com.br/produto/a-cancao-de-belit-2 A canção de Bêlit: a última jornada][[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 09:57, 1 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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I understand, in fact the novel is divided into four parts and each book publishes two parts. [[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 09:29, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pwendt for self-approver ==<br />
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Hi, Kraang. Happy New Year! I hope to be a self-approver imminently. I prefer to be nominated by another, but I plan to nominate myself ("Self-nomination for self-approver") sometime tomorrow if none of you, plural, is available ready and willing in the next 20 hours or so. I write to a couple others too. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:42, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Back form short holiday will support self-approver.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:34, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Theodora Goss / The Thorn and the Blossom - Deletion Problem ==<br />
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You have processed all my submissions for this title to date but I'm now stuck on a step. As you know, I'm converting this from a Chapbook with a Novella to a Collection with two Novelettes. I now want to delete the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1347059 Novella record] as it has no associated pubs but I can't. When I try to "Delete This Title", I get the message "Error: 1 awards still refer to this title". There is no option to remove the Award or the Reviews so how do I go about deleting the Novella? Incidentally, I have taken a note of the Award and 5 Reviews and will import them to the container title for the Collection once it has been created. Thanks in advance for your help. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 07:54, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Yes, but it seems it is the piece of shortfiction that got the award, and it should have been published somewhere (or was it handed to one of the two new titles?). Or it may be possible to link the award to the collection instead. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:02, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I'll have a look at this tonight. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 11:33, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Ok everything should be fixed, the award & reviews are there , except the award describes it as "Best Novelette". Maybe an explanation should be added to explain the difference.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 13:38, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::All looks good now, thanks. One last piece of tidying up: deletion of the old, incorrectly titled Interiorart record. I have submitted an edit to do this. I see where you're coming from regarding an explanation of the Locus award as "Best Novelette" but I have no idea why Locus considered it to be a Novelette. The approx word counts are: Brendan's Story - 10,500 and Evelyn's Story - 10,900. So even if you consider the whole work to be a single piece of fiction (which it isn't), the total word count is 21,400 hence Novella. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:46, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Link fix ==<br />
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Thanks for your time fixing that wrong image link :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:42, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Asimov - I, Robot - by Fawcett Crest ==<br />
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Hi, re your {{P|205693|PV here}}, this is just a heads-up to point to my discussion with Tom [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Taweiss#Asimov_-_I.2C_Robot Taweiss] regarding Fawcett covers and this {{P|205285|1970 printing}}. You might find something there for yours. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 00:53, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I'll have a look at my copy tonight and see if there is anything to add. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 12:32, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Self-Approver ==<br />
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Hello, as you're in the list of moderators handling my most recent submission, can you please comment on https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Self-Moderation_Request? --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 06:43, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== :) ==<br />
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Thanks for the work you're doing and for fixing the asterisk - don't know how that got in there... Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:59, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Easy fix once I figured out what was wrong, was not obvious at first.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:14, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Signet -> Signet / New American Library ==<br />
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Any objection to changing this to Signet / New American Library<br><br />
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<li>https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?229073</li><br />
</ul>--[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] ([[User talk:Spacecow|talk]]) 04:13, 12 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Please submit the change. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 11:23, 12 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== :) ==<br />
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Many thanks! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:56, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I'll have a go at the rest tomorrow if there still on the board. I see what you are doing but in a way that may take a bit of unmerging and re merging. I need to look at all the relevant edits before I proceed. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:06, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Please don't take any actions further to my outstanding edits (apart from approval or not), as I'm aware of everything that needs to be done going forward and I'm tracking it all - what needs to be done in which order. Thanks again, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:26, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK, I'll do them now. As an alternative method just unmerge the publications & rename if necessary, then remerged with the correct title record. Generally this will have less steps. Hope this helps. :)[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:43, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Yes, I tried considering the number of steps involved, trying to work out the most efficient (and I've unmerged/remerged in the past) but I opted for the simple one-step-at-a time approach as the whole thing is quite complex. But thanks for your considerate thought :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:47, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Getting back to my 'pending', I see you've cleared them all. What excellent communication! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:50, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
Happy to help. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:54, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Impressive! Thanks again :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:20, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Incorrect info added to database ==<br />
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Hello Kraang, I am one of the editors of the Brazilian magazine Histórias Extraordinárias. We have published six issues so far. The latest one was published in April 2023 and it has been added recently to the database (submission #5652271).<br />
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I noticed that two more records appeared, probably submitted by someone else but approved by you. They somehow duplicate the info (with much less detail), but incorrectly state that Histórias Extraordinárias is an ANTHOLOGY, which it is not. It is a magazine that publishes new material.<br />
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The incorrect publication records are: #950021 and #950023.<br />
We just launched all six issues in digital versions (PDF) so I believe that the submitter wants to include them. I agree that they should appear as different format, but we should at least just duplicate the existing information (which is "official" and more comprehensive) changing only the format. Can you please help us in this regard once we sort out these two "rogue" records? :)<br />
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The six magazine issues so far are the following:<br />
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{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ Histórias Extraordinárias Magazine<br />
|-<br />
! Issue number !! detail !! Pub record !! Incorrect<br />
|-<br />
| Issue 1|| December 2020|| #913217|| #950021<br />
|-<br />
| Issue 2 || April 2021|| #914003|| #950023<br />
|-<br />
| Issue 3 || August 2021|| #914004||<br />
|-<br />
| Issue 4 || December 2021|| #914005||<br />
|-<br />
| Issue 5 || August 2022|| #915288||<br />
|-<br />
| Issue 6 || April 2023|| #950024||<br />
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|}<br />
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As a side note, the latest issue is not appearing in the publication series #67858. I spotted a difference in how the title is formatted in the Title Record and submitted a change request in order to correct it (submission #5659612). I ask you to please review and apply the suitable correction. Thanks!<br />
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--[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 22:32, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Sorry about the mix-up, if I had realized it was a magazine I would have left it for some one else. I'll have a look at the submission and approve if it looks ok, if I'm uncertain I'll flag it for a mod who deals more with magazines. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:14, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I think the best thing to do is delete the rogue entries and the you can submit a clone of an existing pub with the necessary changes.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:22, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Rogue records have been deleted, just use the cloning option, this way no merging or changing title records is necessary, everything will be where it should be.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:33, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks for your help with the rogue entries! Now I will ask you help with another matter: The latest issue (pub record #950024) does not appear listed along with the previous five. I refer to the page in the link that appears [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?67858 here]. Can you please help with this as well? I don't know what to change in the pub info to link it to the others. Thanks!<br />
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::: Update: I have just submitted a clone request for the first 5 issues, changing the format to ebook and adding the format (PDF) to the notes field. I will do the same to Issue 6 once we sort out the above point. Thanks and have a good day!<br />
:::--[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 13:07, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::All fixed just had to add the series name to the title record.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 18:23, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::Perfect! Thank you very much!! Now I just created the variants for the artworks in the latest issue, and once they are approved, I will clone it to the ebook format. Thank you for all your help!!<br />
:::::--[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 19:30, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Not a Variant ==<br />
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Hello Kraang, I recently submitted two title update requests because I noticed a typo in the title of a short sory and its accompaining interiorart.<br />
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Issue 1 of "Histórias Extraordinárias" magazine ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?913217 December 2020]) contains a short story called "Hypnos e Morfeu". However, when inserting the data months ago, I wrote "Morfeu'''s'''" (with an "s") instead of "Morfeu". The story also has an interiorart which received the same name (wrong, with the 's').<br />
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I noticed the error last week and submitted two requests:<br />
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1) Submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5661908 #5661908] to change the short story title (Title Record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3076119 #3076119])<br />
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2) Submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5661909 #5661909] to change the interiorart title (Title Record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3076118 #3076118])<br />
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The titles are shared by the bedsheet and ebook publications (ebook is a clone of the bedsheet).<br />
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However, while for the interiorart it seems all ok, the short story lists the correct name as a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3082550 variant of the old name], which it is not. The old title should be deleted and the corrected title should be kept. We should just correct the typo, not create a variant.<br />
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It currently appears as --> Variant Title of: Hypnos e Morfeus (by Marcus Garrett) [may list more publications, awards, reviews, votes and covers]<br />
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Can you please help with this?<br />
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I believe that deleting [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3082550 this record] would be enough to break this "variant link" but I am not sure, so I am asking for your help.<br />
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Thanks.<br />
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--[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 19:41, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I dropped the "s" on the parent title, but the variant is correct since the short story is written using an alternate name. A variant is created to the parent name "Marcus Garrett".[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:25, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::OK! I stand corrected. Thanks for fixing the issue of the extra "s". All seems to be OK now. Sorry about the inconvenience. Have a nice week! --[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 19:57, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Live Free or Die ==<br />
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Just a note that I fixed a capitalization issue ("or" was recorded as "Or") on your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?304688 verified]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:24, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Abhorsen ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Please keep an eye for the "Language mismatch" warnings when approving imports: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5246823 this] should not have been approved - instead a new cover should have been created for the Dutch books and then varianted. We match the art language to the book language even when the titles are the same. I had unmerged and I am working through a series of these you approved so just dropping you a note. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:54, 30 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zebrowski - Ashes and Stars ==<br />
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Hello, I'm letting you know I'm adding Reginald3 ID# to your PV'd {{P|186781|pub here}}. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 02:08, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Also to {{P|44249|The Monadic Universe}}. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:06, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:If just adding ID's or extra data to notes I'm fine with that , no need to notify me, but thanks anyways. :)[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 16:01, 3 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zebrowski - The Omega Point Trilogy ==<br />
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Hello, with regard to your {{P|93651|Canadian edition}}, I'm assuming that it's essentially the same as the {{P|277309|US edition}} which has pages as viii+295. Does yours have roman numeral numbered pages? If so, I suggest they should be recorded - even though there is/might be no content needing recording - per the pages help guide. What do you think? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:46, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The contents are the same just the cover is different, I'll update the page number. Thanks.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 16:03, 3 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cat People ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5675093; Some confusion here, in case you can clear it up. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:04, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:This was a stray pub, the database was full of them in the early days so I created a title record for it and moved on to the next one. The searching of databases & sellers is a lot easier now with all the links. All fixed now.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 19:41, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zelazny - The Chronicles of Amber: Volume I ==<br />
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Hello, way back when, you moderated the last two submissions for {{T|39628|this title}}. I can't find any justification or source for the date being 1979-01-01 instead of the Doubleday 1979-01-00. What do you think? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:20, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No idea, just slipped in, so I'll make it go back one day to 1979-01-00.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 22:02, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: :) thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:16, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jack Campbell: Invincible ==<br />
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I have a pending submission to remove the series name from your PVed record. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5712286 submission]. Any problem with me finishing the approval? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:15, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No problem change away.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 10:17, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Seedling Stars ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128431; A copy was uploaded to Archive.org last fall so I've added a link in a PENDING edit but neither Open Library or Amazon seem to have the cover so maybe you'd like to upload yours or an online cover that looks like yours. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:46, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Recent approvals. ==<br />
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Greetings Kraang, I've asked a new editor what makes a number of his new publication submissions eligible for inclusion. You may wish to comment [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Twisty#Speculative_Fiction.3F here] since you approved them. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:29, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Hi! It would also be appreciated if you could keep an eye on text lengths. For example, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?959237 this] - with 32 pages - can't be a novel as initially approved (I changed this one to CHAPBOOK). Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:45, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Magazines dating question ==<br />
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Hello Kraang, <br />
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Can you clarify the approved date [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5678636 here]? We date magazines based on their cover date and if another means is used, it needs to be in the notes. That applies to magazines where Amazon may have an exact date as well... I do not see a note explaining the dating. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:18, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Deal so little with magazines I forget about all the different rules, only approved the edit to get the stories. Please change the date to what it should be, I'll try to be more careful with magazine submissions in the future or I might just avoid magazine submissions altogether no matter how correct it looks. THanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 16:17, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: I will work with the editor - they seem to have changed the date similarly in more than one magazine. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:31, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Joe Haldeman / Camouflage - Cover Image ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?63142 Camouflage]. The Amazon image on this pub record is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?351561 Artwork A] whereas my copy has [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1866095 Artwork B]. Can you please check your copy. If you agree, I will scan my cover, upload it and also correct the coverart record. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:56, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Mine has the correct cover image ArtwokA.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:12, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Had a better look & it's similar to ArtworkA but a bit different, but not at all like ArtworkB, will have to upload mine or find new Amazon image. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:17, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Replace image from Amazon with correct cover, will do a scan of covers in the future & replace this and some others.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:22, 21 July 2023 (EDT)</div>
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If you're writing to inform me that you've either added a COVER IMAGE or NOTES to any of my VERIFIED PUBS, please click [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Kraang/Changes_to_Verified_Pubs&action=edit&section=1 HERE] and add it to the bottom of the list. A link to the pub record would be appreciated. Once the pub has been reviewed, I'll remove your note from the list. Thanks. Kraang<br />
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== SF: The Year's Greatest Science-Fiction and Fantasy Second Annual Volume / Title change discussion ==<br />
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Please respond at [[User_talk:GlennMcG#SF:_The_Year.27s_Greatest_Science-Fiction_and_Fantasy_Second_Annual_Volume_.2F_Shared_title_change_discussion|GlennMcG talk]]. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 19:52, 1 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Reeve - Station Zero ==<br />
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Hi, first off, thanks for your moderating my submissions! Out of curiousity, what went wrong with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5533261 this submission] where you fixed the HTML? Was it two spaces instead of one between the text and the link? That's the only difference I can see. Thanks for fixing it anyway! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:00, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:There was an extra "< / ul >" that appeared to be the problem, since you use a similar template in notes I looked at a previous one & removed the extra. Happy to moderate submissions, took a couple of months of now I'm back.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:26, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Ah, found it, thanks, and welcome back! Incidentally, these two submissions [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5530361 5530361] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5530366 5530366] have been hanging around for a while. I wondered if they've dropped out of moderators sight...? Kev.--[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:55, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Wow! Thanks! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:04, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Daniel Boring ==<br />
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Hi, Kraang. I have a (slightly ridiculous) question about [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?103216| David Boring]. Back in 2009, you added the note about it being reviewed in an SF publication. Do you know which? It doesn't have any reviews listed right now. I know it's been years, but I'm curious. Thanks! —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 03:13, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:No idea now. I did a lot of cleanup of non-genre & graphic novels at the time. Possibly a link to the review has been deleted, being of a graphic novel. Now all that is left is the novel & my note. Hope this helps.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 12:11, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Aha! I found it: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1299001]. I'll change it back to a review. —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 12:16, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::: I would not change it to a review - the graphic novel is NOT eligible to be here... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:54, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== La canción de Bêlit ==<br />
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The novel was published in Brazil, but they divided it into four parts, only volume 1 came out, how do I register?[[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 14:16, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Add the publication in as a Chapbook and in the Regular Title section add (Part 1 of 4) or (Vol 1) after title, then make title type a serial. Are the other three parts going to be published? If not then a note would help explain it's intension to be a novel but has not been completed. Hope this helps, I'll lookout for your submission.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:33, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::the publisher's page says it would be published in two volumes, the cover artist's Facebook page says in four parts, however, only the first volume was published, nothing was said if there will be continuation. I think the illustrator is right, as the original book has 572 pages and this one has 176. In the original book, it seems to already be divided into 4 parts. [[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 12:21, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Looking at the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?932583 original (2017) Spanish text], I see the following note:<br />
:::* Robert E. Howard's [novelette] "La Reina de la Costa Negra", which is included in its entirety in this novel, was originally published in ''Weird Tales'' in May 1934 as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?68499 "The Queen of the Black Coast."] The Spanish translation is the work of Rodolfo Martínez [...]<br />
::: This explains why the title page and the cover credit both Howard and Martínez. I suggest that we add Howard's name to the Spanish title as well as to the proposed Portuguese title.<br />
::: I can also confirm that the Spanish original consists of 4 "cuarta"s ("quarters"), so it seems likely that a 176-page book would contain the first "quarter" as opposed to the first half of the original, which is 572 pages long. Furthermore, the Spanish original is 168K words long. The four "quarters" are novella length since they are under the 40K limit:<br />
:::* First "quarter" -- 19%<br />
:::* Second "quarter" -- 23%<br />
:::* Third "quarter" -- 23%<br />
:::* Fourth "quarter" -- 21%<br />
:::* Appendices, including Martínez's translation of Howard's fictionalized essay [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?121948 "The Hyborian Age"] -- 12%<br />
::: This means that Kraang's guess above is correct and they are, in ISFDB terms, SERIALs as opposed to "split novels". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:33, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::Yes, the subtitle in Portuguese is "A tigresa e o leão", which is the same as "la tigresa y el léon" described as "libro primero" (first book).[[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 19:45, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
Enter the first book with as much detail you can find & I'll fix it up as best I can. I'll deal with the other submission tomorrow night when I get home. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:24, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::A second book was published [https://aveceditora.com.br/produto/a-cancao-de-belit-2 A canção de Bêlit: a última jornada][[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 09:57, 1 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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I understand, in fact the novel is divided into four parts and each book publishes two parts. [[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 09:29, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pwendt for self-approver ==<br />
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Hi, Kraang. Happy New Year! I hope to be a self-approver imminently. I prefer to be nominated by another, but I plan to nominate myself ("Self-nomination for self-approver") sometime tomorrow if none of you, plural, is available ready and willing in the next 20 hours or so. I write to a couple others too. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:42, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Back form short holiday will support self-approver.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:34, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Theodora Goss / The Thorn and the Blossom - Deletion Problem ==<br />
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You have processed all my submissions for this title to date but I'm now stuck on a step. As you know, I'm converting this from a Chapbook with a Novella to a Collection with two Novelettes. I now want to delete the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1347059 Novella record] as it has no associated pubs but I can't. When I try to "Delete This Title", I get the message "Error: 1 awards still refer to this title". There is no option to remove the Award or the Reviews so how do I go about deleting the Novella? Incidentally, I have taken a note of the Award and 5 Reviews and will import them to the container title for the Collection once it has been created. Thanks in advance for your help. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 07:54, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Yes, but it seems it is the piece of shortfiction that got the award, and it should have been published somewhere (or was it handed to one of the two new titles?). Or it may be possible to link the award to the collection instead. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:02, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I'll have a look at this tonight. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 11:33, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Ok everything should be fixed, the award & reviews are there , except the award describes it as "Best Novelette". Maybe an explanation should be added to explain the difference.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 13:38, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::All looks good now, thanks. One last piece of tidying up: deletion of the old, incorrectly titled Interiorart record. I have submitted an edit to do this. I see where you're coming from regarding an explanation of the Locus award as "Best Novelette" but I have no idea why Locus considered it to be a Novelette. The approx word counts are: Brendan's Story - 10,500 and Evelyn's Story - 10,900. So even if you consider the whole work to be a single piece of fiction (which it isn't), the total word count is 21,400 hence Novella. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:46, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Link fix ==<br />
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Thanks for your time fixing that wrong image link :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:42, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Asimov - I, Robot - by Fawcett Crest ==<br />
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Hi, re your {{P|205693|PV here}}, this is just a heads-up to point to my discussion with Tom [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Taweiss#Asimov_-_I.2C_Robot Taweiss] regarding Fawcett covers and this {{P|205285|1970 printing}}. You might find something there for yours. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 00:53, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I'll have a look at my copy tonight and see if there is anything to add. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 12:32, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Self-Approver ==<br />
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Hello, as you're in the list of moderators handling my most recent submission, can you please comment on https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Self-Moderation_Request? --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 06:43, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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Thanks for the work you're doing and for fixing the asterisk - don't know how that got in there... Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:59, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Easy fix once I figured out what was wrong, was not obvious at first.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:14, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Signet -> Signet / New American Library ==<br />
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Any objection to changing this to Signet / New American Library<br><br />
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<li>https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?229073</li><br />
</ul>--[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] ([[User talk:Spacecow|talk]]) 04:13, 12 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Please submit the change. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 11:23, 12 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Many thanks! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:56, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I'll have a go at the rest tomorrow if there still on the board. I see what you are doing but in a way that may take a bit of unmerging and re merging. I need to look at all the relevant edits before I proceed. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:06, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Please don't take any actions further to my outstanding edits (apart from approval or not), as I'm aware of everything that needs to be done going forward and I'm tracking it all - what needs to be done in which order. Thanks again, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:26, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK, I'll do them now. As an alternative method just unmerge the publications & rename if necessary, then remerged with the correct title record. Generally this will have less steps. Hope this helps. :)[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:43, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Yes, I tried considering the number of steps involved, trying to work out the most efficient (and I've unmerged/remerged in the past) but I opted for the simple one-step-at-a time approach as the whole thing is quite complex. But thanks for your considerate thought :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:47, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Getting back to my 'pending', I see you've cleared them all. What excellent communication! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:50, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
Happy to help. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:54, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Impressive! Thanks again :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:20, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Incorrect info added to database ==<br />
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Hello Kraang, I am one of the editors of the Brazilian magazine Histórias Extraordinárias. We have published six issues so far. The latest one was published in April 2023 and it has been added recently to the database (submission #5652271).<br />
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I noticed that two more records appeared, probably submitted by someone else but approved by you. They somehow duplicate the info (with much less detail), but incorrectly state that Histórias Extraordinárias is an ANTHOLOGY, which it is not. It is a magazine that publishes new material.<br />
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The incorrect publication records are: #950021 and #950023.<br />
We just launched all six issues in digital versions (PDF) so I believe that the submitter wants to include them. I agree that they should appear as different format, but we should at least just duplicate the existing information (which is "official" and more comprehensive) changing only the format. Can you please help us in this regard once we sort out these two "rogue" records? :)<br />
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The six magazine issues so far are the following:<br />
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{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ Histórias Extraordinárias Magazine<br />
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! Issue number !! detail !! Pub record !! Incorrect<br />
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| Issue 1|| December 2020|| #913217|| #950021<br />
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| Issue 2 || April 2021|| #914003|| #950023<br />
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| Issue 3 || August 2021|| #914004||<br />
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| Issue 4 || December 2021|| #914005||<br />
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| Issue 5 || August 2022|| #915288||<br />
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| Issue 6 || April 2023|| #950024||<br />
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As a side note, the latest issue is not appearing in the publication series #67858. I spotted a difference in how the title is formatted in the Title Record and submitted a change request in order to correct it (submission #5659612). I ask you to please review and apply the suitable correction. Thanks!<br />
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--[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 22:32, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Sorry about the mix-up, if I had realized it was a magazine I would have left it for some one else. I'll have a look at the submission and approve if it looks ok, if I'm uncertain I'll flag it for a mod who deals more with magazines. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:14, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I think the best thing to do is delete the rogue entries and the you can submit a clone of an existing pub with the necessary changes.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:22, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Rogue records have been deleted, just use the cloning option, this way no merging or changing title records is necessary, everything will be where it should be.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:33, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks for your help with the rogue entries! Now I will ask you help with another matter: The latest issue (pub record #950024) does not appear listed along with the previous five. I refer to the page in the link that appears [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?67858 here]. Can you please help with this as well? I don't know what to change in the pub info to link it to the others. Thanks!<br />
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::: Update: I have just submitted a clone request for the first 5 issues, changing the format to ebook and adding the format (PDF) to the notes field. I will do the same to Issue 6 once we sort out the above point. Thanks and have a good day!<br />
:::--[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 13:07, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::All fixed just had to add the series name to the title record.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 18:23, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::Perfect! Thank you very much!! Now I just created the variants for the artworks in the latest issue, and once they are approved, I will clone it to the ebook format. Thank you for all your help!!<br />
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== Not a Variant ==<br />
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Hello Kraang, I recently submitted two title update requests because I noticed a typo in the title of a short sory and its accompaining interiorart.<br />
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Issue 1 of "Histórias Extraordinárias" magazine ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?913217 December 2020]) contains a short story called "Hypnos e Morfeu". However, when inserting the data months ago, I wrote "Morfeu'''s'''" (with an "s") instead of "Morfeu". The story also has an interiorart which received the same name (wrong, with the 's').<br />
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I noticed the error last week and submitted two requests:<br />
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1) Submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5661908 #5661908] to change the short story title (Title Record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3076119 #3076119])<br />
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2) Submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5661909 #5661909] to change the interiorart title (Title Record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3076118 #3076118])<br />
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The titles are shared by the bedsheet and ebook publications (ebook is a clone of the bedsheet).<br />
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However, while for the interiorart it seems all ok, the short story lists the correct name as a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3082550 variant of the old name], which it is not. The old title should be deleted and the corrected title should be kept. We should just correct the typo, not create a variant.<br />
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It currently appears as --> Variant Title of: Hypnos e Morfeus (by Marcus Garrett) [may list more publications, awards, reviews, votes and covers]<br />
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Can you please help with this?<br />
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I believe that deleting [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3082550 this record] would be enough to break this "variant link" but I am not sure, so I am asking for your help.<br />
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Thanks.<br />
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--[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 19:41, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I dropped the "s" on the parent title, but the variant is correct since the short story is written using an alternate name. A variant is created to the parent name "Marcus Garrett".[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:25, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::OK! I stand corrected. Thanks for fixing the issue of the extra "s". All seems to be OK now. Sorry about the inconvenience. Have a nice week! --[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 19:57, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Live Free or Die ==<br />
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Just a note that I fixed a capitalization issue ("or" was recorded as "Or") on your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?304688 verified]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:24, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Abhorsen ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Please keep an eye for the "Language mismatch" warnings when approving imports: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5246823 this] should not have been approved - instead a new cover should have been created for the Dutch books and then varianted. We match the art language to the book language even when the titles are the same. I had unmerged and I am working through a series of these you approved so just dropping you a note. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:54, 30 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zebrowski - Ashes and Stars ==<br />
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Hello, I'm letting you know I'm adding Reginald3 ID# to your PV'd {{P|186781|pub here}}. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 02:08, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Also to {{P|44249|The Monadic Universe}}. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:06, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:If just adding ID's or extra data to notes I'm fine with that , no need to notify me, but thanks anyways. :)[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 16:01, 3 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zebrowski - The Omega Point Trilogy ==<br />
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Hello, with regard to your {{P|93651|Canadian edition}}, I'm assuming that it's essentially the same as the {{P|277309|US edition}} which has pages as viii+295. Does yours have roman numeral numbered pages? If so, I suggest they should be recorded - even though there is/might be no content needing recording - per the pages help guide. What do you think? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:46, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The contents are the same just the cover is different, I'll update the page number. Thanks.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 16:03, 3 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cat People ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5675093; Some confusion here, in case you can clear it up. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:04, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:This was a stray pub, the database was full of them in the early days so I created a title record for it and moved on to the next one. The searching of databases & sellers is a lot easier now with all the links. All fixed now.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 19:41, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zelazny - The Chronicles of Amber: Volume I ==<br />
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Hello, way back when, you moderated the last two submissions for {{T|39628|this title}}. I can't find any justification or source for the date being 1979-01-01 instead of the Doubleday 1979-01-00. What do you think? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:20, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No idea, just slipped in, so I'll make it go back one day to 1979-01-00.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 22:02, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: :) thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:16, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jack Campbell: Invincible ==<br />
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I have a pending submission to remove the series name from your PVed record. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5712286 submission]. Any problem with me finishing the approval? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:15, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No problem change away.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 10:17, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Seedling Stars ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128431; A copy was uploaded to Archive.org last fall so I've added a link in a PENDING edit but neither Open Library or Amazon seem to have the cover so maybe you'd like to upload yours or an online cover that looks like yours. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:46, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Recent approvals. ==<br />
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Greetings Kraang, I've asked a new editor what makes a number of his new publication submissions eligible for inclusion. You may wish to comment [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Twisty#Speculative_Fiction.3F here] since you approved them. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:29, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Hi! It would also be appreciated if you could keep an eye on text lengths. For example, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?959237 this] - with 32 pages - can't be a novel as initially approved (I changed this one to CHAPBOOK). Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:45, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Magazines dating question ==<br />
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Hello Kraang, <br />
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Can you clarify the approved date [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5678636 here]? We date magazines based on their cover date and if another means is used, it needs to be in the notes. That applies to magazines where Amazon may have an exact date as well... I do not see a note explaining the dating. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:18, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Deal so little with magazines I forget about all the different rules, only approved the edit to get the stories. Please change the date to what it should be, I'll try to be more careful with magazine submissions in the future or I might just avoid magazine submissions altogether no matter how correct it looks. THanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 16:17, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: I will work with the editor - they seem to have changed the date similarly in more than one magazine. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:31, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Joe Haldeman / Camouflage - Cover Image ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?63142 Camouflage]. The Amazon image on this pub record is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?351561 Artwork A] whereas my copy has [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1866095 Artwork B]. Can you please check your copy. If you agree, I will scan my cover, upload it and also correct the coverart record. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:56, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Mine has the correct cover image ArtwokA.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:12, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Had a better look & it's similar to ArtworkA but a bit different, but not at all like ArtworkB, will have to upload mine or find new Amazon image. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:17, 21 July 2023 (EDT)</div>
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If you're writing to inform me that you've either added a COVER IMAGE or NOTES to any of my VERIFIED PUBS, please click [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Kraang/Changes_to_Verified_Pubs&action=edit&section=1 HERE] and add it to the bottom of the list. A link to the pub record would be appreciated. Once the pub has been reviewed, I'll remove your note from the list. Thanks. Kraang<br />
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== SF: The Year's Greatest Science-Fiction and Fantasy Second Annual Volume / Title change discussion ==<br />
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Please respond at [[User_talk:GlennMcG#SF:_The_Year.27s_Greatest_Science-Fiction_and_Fantasy_Second_Annual_Volume_.2F_Shared_title_change_discussion|GlennMcG talk]]. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 19:52, 1 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Reeve - Station Zero ==<br />
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Hi, first off, thanks for your moderating my submissions! Out of curiousity, what went wrong with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5533261 this submission] where you fixed the HTML? Was it two spaces instead of one between the text and the link? That's the only difference I can see. Thanks for fixing it anyway! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:00, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:There was an extra "< / ul >" that appeared to be the problem, since you use a similar template in notes I looked at a previous one & removed the extra. Happy to moderate submissions, took a couple of months of now I'm back.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:26, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Ah, found it, thanks, and welcome back! Incidentally, these two submissions [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5530361 5530361] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5530366 5530366] have been hanging around for a while. I wondered if they've dropped out of moderators sight...? Kev.--[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:55, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Wow! Thanks! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:04, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Daniel Boring ==<br />
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Hi, Kraang. I have a (slightly ridiculous) question about [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?103216| David Boring]. Back in 2009, you added the note about it being reviewed in an SF publication. Do you know which? It doesn't have any reviews listed right now. I know it's been years, but I'm curious. Thanks! —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 03:13, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:No idea now. I did a lot of cleanup of non-genre & graphic novels at the time. Possibly a link to the review has been deleted, being of a graphic novel. Now all that is left is the novel & my note. Hope this helps.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 12:11, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Aha! I found it: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1299001]. I'll change it back to a review. —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 12:16, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::: I would not change it to a review - the graphic novel is NOT eligible to be here... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:54, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== La canción de Bêlit ==<br />
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The novel was published in Brazil, but they divided it into four parts, only volume 1 came out, how do I register?[[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 14:16, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Add the publication in as a Chapbook and in the Regular Title section add (Part 1 of 4) or (Vol 1) after title, then make title type a serial. Are the other three parts going to be published? If not then a note would help explain it's intension to be a novel but has not been completed. Hope this helps, I'll lookout for your submission.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:33, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::the publisher's page says it would be published in two volumes, the cover artist's Facebook page says in four parts, however, only the first volume was published, nothing was said if there will be continuation. I think the illustrator is right, as the original book has 572 pages and this one has 176. In the original book, it seems to already be divided into 4 parts. [[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 12:21, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Looking at the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?932583 original (2017) Spanish text], I see the following note:<br />
:::* Robert E. Howard's [novelette] "La Reina de la Costa Negra", which is included in its entirety in this novel, was originally published in ''Weird Tales'' in May 1934 as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?68499 "The Queen of the Black Coast."] The Spanish translation is the work of Rodolfo Martínez [...]<br />
::: This explains why the title page and the cover credit both Howard and Martínez. I suggest that we add Howard's name to the Spanish title as well as to the proposed Portuguese title.<br />
::: I can also confirm that the Spanish original consists of 4 "cuarta"s ("quarters"), so it seems likely that a 176-page book would contain the first "quarter" as opposed to the first half of the original, which is 572 pages long. Furthermore, the Spanish original is 168K words long. The four "quarters" are novella length since they are under the 40K limit:<br />
:::* First "quarter" -- 19%<br />
:::* Second "quarter" -- 23%<br />
:::* Third "quarter" -- 23%<br />
:::* Fourth "quarter" -- 21%<br />
:::* Appendices, including Martínez's translation of Howard's fictionalized essay [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?121948 "The Hyborian Age"] -- 12%<br />
::: This means that Kraang's guess above is correct and they are, in ISFDB terms, SERIALs as opposed to "split novels". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:33, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::Yes, the subtitle in Portuguese is "A tigresa e o leão", which is the same as "la tigresa y el léon" described as "libro primero" (first book).[[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 19:45, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
Enter the first book with as much detail you can find & I'll fix it up as best I can. I'll deal with the other submission tomorrow night when I get home. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:24, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::A second book was published [https://aveceditora.com.br/produto/a-cancao-de-belit-2 A canção de Bêlit: a última jornada][[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 09:57, 1 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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I understand, in fact the novel is divided into four parts and each book publishes two parts. [[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 09:29, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pwendt for self-approver ==<br />
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Hi, Kraang. Happy New Year! I hope to be a self-approver imminently. I prefer to be nominated by another, but I plan to nominate myself ("Self-nomination for self-approver") sometime tomorrow if none of you, plural, is available ready and willing in the next 20 hours or so. I write to a couple others too. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:42, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Back form short holiday will support self-approver.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:34, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Theodora Goss / The Thorn and the Blossom - Deletion Problem ==<br />
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You have processed all my submissions for this title to date but I'm now stuck on a step. As you know, I'm converting this from a Chapbook with a Novella to a Collection with two Novelettes. I now want to delete the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1347059 Novella record] as it has no associated pubs but I can't. When I try to "Delete This Title", I get the message "Error: 1 awards still refer to this title". There is no option to remove the Award or the Reviews so how do I go about deleting the Novella? Incidentally, I have taken a note of the Award and 5 Reviews and will import them to the container title for the Collection once it has been created. Thanks in advance for your help. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 07:54, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Yes, but it seems it is the piece of shortfiction that got the award, and it should have been published somewhere (or was it handed to one of the two new titles?). Or it may be possible to link the award to the collection instead. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:02, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I'll have a look at this tonight. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 11:33, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Ok everything should be fixed, the award & reviews are there , except the award describes it as "Best Novelette". Maybe an explanation should be added to explain the difference.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 13:38, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::All looks good now, thanks. One last piece of tidying up: deletion of the old, incorrectly titled Interiorart record. I have submitted an edit to do this. I see where you're coming from regarding an explanation of the Locus award as "Best Novelette" but I have no idea why Locus considered it to be a Novelette. The approx word counts are: Brendan's Story - 10,500 and Evelyn's Story - 10,900. So even if you consider the whole work to be a single piece of fiction (which it isn't), the total word count is 21,400 hence Novella. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:46, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Link fix ==<br />
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Thanks for your time fixing that wrong image link :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:42, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Asimov - I, Robot - by Fawcett Crest ==<br />
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Hi, re your {{P|205693|PV here}}, this is just a heads-up to point to my discussion with Tom [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Taweiss#Asimov_-_I.2C_Robot Taweiss] regarding Fawcett covers and this {{P|205285|1970 printing}}. You might find something there for yours. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 00:53, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I'll have a look at my copy tonight and see if there is anything to add. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 12:32, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Self-Approver ==<br />
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Hello, as you're in the list of moderators handling my most recent submission, can you please comment on https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Self-Moderation_Request? --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 06:43, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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Thanks for the work you're doing and for fixing the asterisk - don't know how that got in there... Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:59, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Easy fix once I figured out what was wrong, was not obvious at first.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:14, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Signet -> Signet / New American Library ==<br />
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Any objection to changing this to Signet / New American Library<br><br />
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<li>https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?229073</li><br />
</ul>--[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] ([[User talk:Spacecow|talk]]) 04:13, 12 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Please submit the change. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 11:23, 12 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Many thanks! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:56, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I'll have a go at the rest tomorrow if there still on the board. I see what you are doing but in a way that may take a bit of unmerging and re merging. I need to look at all the relevant edits before I proceed. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:06, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Please don't take any actions further to my outstanding edits (apart from approval or not), as I'm aware of everything that needs to be done going forward and I'm tracking it all - what needs to be done in which order. Thanks again, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:26, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK, I'll do them now. As an alternative method just unmerge the publications & rename if necessary, then remerged with the correct title record. Generally this will have less steps. Hope this helps. :)[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:43, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Yes, I tried considering the number of steps involved, trying to work out the most efficient (and I've unmerged/remerged in the past) but I opted for the simple one-step-at-a time approach as the whole thing is quite complex. But thanks for your considerate thought :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:47, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Getting back to my 'pending', I see you've cleared them all. What excellent communication! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:50, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
Happy to help. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:54, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Impressive! Thanks again :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:20, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Incorrect info added to database ==<br />
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Hello Kraang, I am one of the editors of the Brazilian magazine Histórias Extraordinárias. We have published six issues so far. The latest one was published in April 2023 and it has been added recently to the database (submission #5652271).<br />
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I noticed that two more records appeared, probably submitted by someone else but approved by you. They somehow duplicate the info (with much less detail), but incorrectly state that Histórias Extraordinárias is an ANTHOLOGY, which it is not. It is a magazine that publishes new material.<br />
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The incorrect publication records are: #950021 and #950023.<br />
We just launched all six issues in digital versions (PDF) so I believe that the submitter wants to include them. I agree that they should appear as different format, but we should at least just duplicate the existing information (which is "official" and more comprehensive) changing only the format. Can you please help us in this regard once we sort out these two "rogue" records? :)<br />
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The six magazine issues so far are the following:<br />
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{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ Histórias Extraordinárias Magazine<br />
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! Issue number !! detail !! Pub record !! Incorrect<br />
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| Issue 1|| December 2020|| #913217|| #950021<br />
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| Issue 2 || April 2021|| #914003|| #950023<br />
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| Issue 3 || August 2021|| #914004||<br />
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| Issue 4 || December 2021|| #914005||<br />
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| Issue 5 || August 2022|| #915288||<br />
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| Issue 6 || April 2023|| #950024||<br />
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As a side note, the latest issue is not appearing in the publication series #67858. I spotted a difference in how the title is formatted in the Title Record and submitted a change request in order to correct it (submission #5659612). I ask you to please review and apply the suitable correction. Thanks!<br />
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--[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 22:32, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Sorry about the mix-up, if I had realized it was a magazine I would have left it for some one else. I'll have a look at the submission and approve if it looks ok, if I'm uncertain I'll flag it for a mod who deals more with magazines. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:14, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I think the best thing to do is delete the rogue entries and the you can submit a clone of an existing pub with the necessary changes.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:22, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Rogue records have been deleted, just use the cloning option, this way no merging or changing title records is necessary, everything will be where it should be.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:33, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks for your help with the rogue entries! Now I will ask you help with another matter: The latest issue (pub record #950024) does not appear listed along with the previous five. I refer to the page in the link that appears [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?67858 here]. Can you please help with this as well? I don't know what to change in the pub info to link it to the others. Thanks!<br />
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::: Update: I have just submitted a clone request for the first 5 issues, changing the format to ebook and adding the format (PDF) to the notes field. I will do the same to Issue 6 once we sort out the above point. Thanks and have a good day!<br />
:::--[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 13:07, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::All fixed just had to add the series name to the title record.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 18:23, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::Perfect! Thank you very much!! Now I just created the variants for the artworks in the latest issue, and once they are approved, I will clone it to the ebook format. Thank you for all your help!!<br />
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== Not a Variant ==<br />
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Hello Kraang, I recently submitted two title update requests because I noticed a typo in the title of a short sory and its accompaining interiorart.<br />
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Issue 1 of "Histórias Extraordinárias" magazine ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?913217 December 2020]) contains a short story called "Hypnos e Morfeu". However, when inserting the data months ago, I wrote "Morfeu'''s'''" (with an "s") instead of "Morfeu". The story also has an interiorart which received the same name (wrong, with the 's').<br />
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I noticed the error last week and submitted two requests:<br />
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1) Submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5661908 #5661908] to change the short story title (Title Record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3076119 #3076119])<br />
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2) Submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5661909 #5661909] to change the interiorart title (Title Record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3076118 #3076118])<br />
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The titles are shared by the bedsheet and ebook publications (ebook is a clone of the bedsheet).<br />
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However, while for the interiorart it seems all ok, the short story lists the correct name as a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3082550 variant of the old name], which it is not. The old title should be deleted and the corrected title should be kept. We should just correct the typo, not create a variant.<br />
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It currently appears as --> Variant Title of: Hypnos e Morfeus (by Marcus Garrett) [may list more publications, awards, reviews, votes and covers]<br />
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Can you please help with this?<br />
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I believe that deleting [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3082550 this record] would be enough to break this "variant link" but I am not sure, so I am asking for your help.<br />
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Thanks.<br />
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--[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 19:41, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I dropped the "s" on the parent title, but the variant is correct since the short story is written using an alternate name. A variant is created to the parent name "Marcus Garrett".[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:25, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::OK! I stand corrected. Thanks for fixing the issue of the extra "s". All seems to be OK now. Sorry about the inconvenience. Have a nice week! --[[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 19:57, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Live Free or Die ==<br />
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Just a note that I fixed a capitalization issue ("or" was recorded as "Or") on your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?304688 verified]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:24, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Abhorsen ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Please keep an eye for the "Language mismatch" warnings when approving imports: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5246823 this] should not have been approved - instead a new cover should have been created for the Dutch books and then varianted. We match the art language to the book language even when the titles are the same. I had unmerged and I am working through a series of these you approved so just dropping you a note. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:54, 30 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zebrowski - Ashes and Stars ==<br />
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Hello, I'm letting you know I'm adding Reginald3 ID# to your PV'd {{P|186781|pub here}}. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 02:08, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Also to {{P|44249|The Monadic Universe}}. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:06, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:If just adding ID's or extra data to notes I'm fine with that , no need to notify me, but thanks anyways. :)[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 16:01, 3 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zebrowski - The Omega Point Trilogy ==<br />
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Hello, with regard to your {{P|93651|Canadian edition}}, I'm assuming that it's essentially the same as the {{P|277309|US edition}} which has pages as viii+295. Does yours have roman numeral numbered pages? If so, I suggest they should be recorded - even though there is/might be no content needing recording - per the pages help guide. What do you think? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:46, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The contents are the same just the cover is different, I'll update the page number. Thanks.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 16:03, 3 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cat People ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5675093; Some confusion here, in case you can clear it up. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:04, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:This was a stray pub, the database was full of them in the early days so I created a title record for it and moved on to the next one. The searching of databases & sellers is a lot easier now with all the links. All fixed now.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 19:41, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zelazny - The Chronicles of Amber: Volume I ==<br />
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Hello, way back when, you moderated the last two submissions for {{T|39628|this title}}. I can't find any justification or source for the date being 1979-01-01 instead of the Doubleday 1979-01-00. What do you think? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:20, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No idea, just slipped in, so I'll make it go back one day to 1979-01-00.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 22:02, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: :) thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:16, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jack Campbell: Invincible ==<br />
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I have a pending submission to remove the series name from your PVed record. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5712286 submission]. Any problem with me finishing the approval? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:15, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No problem change away.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 10:17, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Seedling Stars ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128431; A copy was uploaded to Archive.org last fall so I've added a link in a PENDING edit but neither Open Library or Amazon seem to have the cover so maybe you'd like to upload yours or an online cover that looks like yours. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:46, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Recent approvals. ==<br />
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Greetings Kraang, I've asked a new editor what makes a number of his new publication submissions eligible for inclusion. You may wish to comment [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Twisty#Speculative_Fiction.3F here] since you approved them. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:29, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Hi! It would also be appreciated if you could keep an eye on text lengths. For example, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?959237 this] - with 32 pages - can't be a novel as initially approved (I changed this one to CHAPBOOK). Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:45, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Magazines dating question ==<br />
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Hello Kraang, <br />
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Can you clarify the approved date [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5678636 here]? We date magazines based on their cover date and if another means is used, it needs to be in the notes. That applies to magazines where Amazon may have an exact date as well... I do not see a note explaining the dating. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:18, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Deal so little with magazines I forget about all the different rules, only approved the edit to get the stories. Please change the date to what it should be, I'll try to be more careful with magazine submissions in the future or I might just avoid magazine submissions altogether no matter how correct it looks. THanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 16:17, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: I will work with the editor - they seem to have changed the date similarly in more than one magazine. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:31, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Joe Haldeman / Camouflage - Cover Image ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?63142 Camouflage]. The Amazon image on this pub record is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?351561 Artwork A] whereas my copy has [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1866095 Artwork B]. Can you please check your copy. If you agree, I will scan my cover, upload it and also correct the coverart record. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:56, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Mine has the correct cover image ArtwokA.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:12, 21 July 2023 (EDT)</div>
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== Twentieth Century Discovery ==<br />
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This Isaac Asimov nonfiction title https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?25684 appears when I type in the specific title, but it does not appear on Asimov's bibliography page. It should be in nonfiction in the year 1969, but it is not. At least, I cannot find it. Can anyone help me? [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 01:42, 2 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Well it's there when I take a look at his summary page, after [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1450072 The Shaping of England] and before [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?909759 Asimov's Guide to Shakespeare, Volume One]. Maybe you looked by accident into the department 'Nonfiction Series' or 'Essays'? His bibliography '''is''' rather longish. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 05:23, 2 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks for checking for me. I was looking at non-genre titles at the bottom of the page. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 10:16, 2 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Canonical name incorrect ==<br />
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Forrest Ackerman's "canonical name" https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editauth.cgi?119 is incorrect. It has a period after the J. and Ackerman was very insistent throughout his life that his middle initial did NOT have a period. It should be "Forrest J Ackerman." It does have a period in LCNAF but that's because a name entry in LC must end with one of the following punctuation marks: . ) - " Same as, when writing, we end a sentence with a period -- the period is not part of or attached to the last word, it's just there as an end-indication. Thanks! {{Unsigned2|10:43, January 6, 2023|Delphi Psmith}}.<br />
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: Thanks for pointing out this problem and welcome to the project!<br />
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: There are a couple of different issues here. First, as per the [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#How_does_the_ISFDB_deal_with_author_name_changes.3F ISFDB FAQ], we enter author names "the way they appear on the publication's title page". We then set up "the most recognized name for the author within the SF genre" as his or her "canonical name" and all other names as "alternate names".<br />
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: Second, originally (1995-ca.2010) we always entered a period after initials. The idea was that a missing initial was just a typographical convention, similar to how some magazines used lowercase forms of authors' names, e.g. "robert a heinlein". It wasn't until later that we were reminded that some authors do not use periods after initial on purpose or have single-letter middle names as in the case of {{A|Steven H Silver}}. We now have {{A|Steven H. Silver}} -- which has been used by some publishers -- set up as an alternate name for {{A|Steven H Silver}}. We also have a number of authors whose canonical names use "merged" initials, e.g. "{{A|CJ Cooke}}, which is how their works are published.<br />
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: In the case of Forrest J Ackerman, it would appear that most of his works were published without a period after the "J", but only [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?START=0&TYPE=Title&USE_1=author_canonical&O_1=exact&TERM_1=Forrest%20J%20Ackerman&ORDERBY=title_title&C=AND 30ish of our records] are entered that way. I am going to ask the primary verifiers of the publications where his works appeared to double check them. Once the records have been corrected, we'll revisit the canonical name issue.<br />
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: Thanks again! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:50, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Date error dialogue ==<br />
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I'm trying to clone a 2011 pub to enter my 12th print of same with date as 0000-00-00. Pressing the 'Clone Pub' button to finish the process brings up a dialogue "Date must be in YYYY, YYYY-MM or YYYY-MM-DD format, 0000-00-00 means "Unknown",.....etc". I've not seen this before and I can't get past it. What's the problem? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 08:53, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Could you please clarify whether you entered "0000-00-00" in the "Publication Metadata" section or in the "Content Section"? Also, which publication was it? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:50, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Cloning [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?347660 this pub] to 0000-00-00 in the "Publication Metadata" section.--[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 09:56, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Thanks for clarifying. After pulling it up and using the "Clone" option, I entered "0000-00-00" in the "Date" field and clicked "Clone Pub". The submission went through -- [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5535120 here is the result]. I wonder what was different on your side. Did you, perchance, only change the first 4 characters in the date field, resulting in a "0000-05-00" value? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:02, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: Mmmm. I entered the full 0000-00-00. I'll close my browser and then try again. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:05, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::: That's strange. Didn't close browser, went back to China's summary page and clicked through to the 2011 title and entered everything the same again. It [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5535127 went through] ok. Thanks for your time. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:16, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::: No worries, glad it worked out. It's entirely possible that there is an obscure bug lurking in the ISFDB code and that it is only triggered under rare circumstances. Unfortunately, they can be hard to replicate... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:22, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ryman - Air (or, Have Not Have) ==<br />
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Looking at this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?23340 title page], it seems to me that all the just plain "Air" titles should be varianted to the full, earlier 2004-09-00 St. Martin's Griffin title "Air (or, Have Not Have)". Would that be correct? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 00:56, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:The two ''Air (or, Have Not Have)'' pubs should be unmerged and the old & new records varianted to each other. However, I would use ''Air'' as the parent as it is the most common and we base canonical titles on the most used title, not the first title. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:36, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for your help. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 03:17, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Lost Dorsai audiobook & MP3 CD ==<br />
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In preparing to add the audiobook & MP3 CD for "Lost Dorsai", I found that the descriptions on Amazon and Audible only mention the novella title [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?41195 here]. Since the existing pubs are all collections that contain "Lost Dorsai" and additional stories, it seems to me that the best way to add the audiobook & MP3 CD would be to first create an chapbook and then merge the novella title created from that into the existing novella title [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?41195 here]. I could then add pubs to it for the audiobook and MP3 CD. Is there a better way to do this? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 09:52, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: Yep - either create an empty chapbook and then import the novella (with a note for the handling moderator on why you do not have a short fiction record) or create the chapbook with the novella and then merge. Both are 2 steps so either way works. Then clone from the chapbook for the rest of the formats. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:18, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== I, Robot -- merge question ==<br />
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How do I merge [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3130691 I, Robot (new)] into [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?517325 I, Robot (good)]? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:23, 16 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: Go to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?2617 Eando Binder] and select 'Check for Duplicate Titles' from the 'Editing Tools:' menu. You will see the title pair you want to merge. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:37, 16 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Ahhh. I assumed that it would only merge titles showing on that page. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 19:06, 16 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::: When you cannot find an author/publication where to merge from (usually due to typos), you can also use Advanced search to find the two titles and bring them on a merge-able screen. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:23, 17 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== "The Wooden Ham" (Fantastic Adventures, December 1943) ==<br />
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In the SFE entry on [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/house_names House Names], it says, "It is believed that Leroy Yerxa wrote almost the entire [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?58085 December 1943 issue of Fantastic Adventures] with stories under house names except for one, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?17187 Morris J Steele], which was usually the pen name of Raymond A Palmer himself but was here used by [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?1158 Berkeley Livingston]." In that issue, "The Wooden Ham" is the only story by "Morris J. Steele," but it's varianted to Leroy Yerxa. Should the primary author be changed to Berkeley Livingstone? —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 02:27, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Philip K. Dick's Electric Dreams: Volume One - info wanted ==<br />
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This is a call for help with unverified pubs for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2275857 this title]. Please refer to [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Stonecreek#Philip_K._Dick.27s_Electric_Dreams%3A_Volume_One Stonecreek's page] for what I'm trying to do.<br />
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If anyone has a copy of an unverified pub, any info would be welcome. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:08, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Fifth Time Out - Author tweak ==<br />
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When PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?95470 Terra SF: ...] I found that the author is given on both the inline page and the TOC is given with a ring A (Mårtensson). The Canadian edition also is entered with Martensson, but the only PV is inactive. I strong suspect that both the U.S. and Canadian editions are the same in this respect. Thoughts? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 22:29, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:That seems like a reasonable assumption. In the absence of an available verifier, I would change it and add a note to the Canadian edition that the lettering in the credit was originally recorded as "a" but was changed to "å" as seen in the U.S. edition and has not been (re)verified as of this date. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:23, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Trying to figure out the best approach. Should I just edit the title record and add notes to the publication? Or add new titles to the publication, remove the old ones, and merge (?) afterwords? Or some other non-obvious way, at least to me? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:49, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: As the title is only used in this book and the title is not a parent, just change the title record author and update the notes on the publication and you are all set. If there were other books where the current record had to remain as is, you would have needed to either unmerge and change the title (and variant the new title back under the parent) OR add title/remove title/variant again. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:10, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Collections with Abridged or Expanded Contents ==<br />
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What is the correct way to record collections with abridged or expanded contents? I have come across examples that seem to me to be recorded inconsistently.<br />
<br>1) Sturgeon: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1380 A Way Home - hc] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1381 A Way Home - pb]. The pb is abridged (two stories cut). These two pubs have two different title records which are not varianted and have "Do Not Merge" notes.<br />
<br>2) Sturgeon: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1300 A Touch of Strange - hc] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128351 A Touch of Strange - pb]. The pb is abridged (two stories cut). These two pubs have the same title record.<br />
<br>3) Butler: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?5015 Bloodchild and Other Stories - hc] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?267811 Bloodchild and Other Stories, Second Edition - tp]. The tp is expanded (two additional stories). These two pubs have two different title records which are varianted.<br />
<br>[[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:37, 21 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:It seems that there are different approaches to that problem: I'm in favor of having same-titled collections that are expanded (or abridged) for new editions to be subsumed under one entry title, and add an explaining note to the title record. Only when the contents are exchanged for a great part, I would add a new record. In my opinion that does help to have the author summary pages aren't overloaded. <br />
:This way also the translations of collections (which also often have additional or omitted pieces) are handled more easily. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:53, 22 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Advance Reader Copy ==<br />
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I have an ARC that Amazon gives the mass-market release date as 2021-06-17. On the spine is "June 2021". Back cover has ISBN (same as Amazon's) '3rd June 2021' '£9.99' 'Advance Reader Copy - Not For Resale'. I gather that ARCs are generally released 3-6 months in advance. I can't find anything in the Help, so how should I enter the date? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:51, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Since found two conversations from 2012 [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Proposed_Design_Changes#ARCs ARCs] and [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive11#e-ARCs_redux e-ARCs redux]. What is the current policy? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:28, 25 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::As far as can recall, nothing ever changed, and they are still "out". I found even more:<br />
::* [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive06#ARC_first_printing.2C_in_or_out.3F ARC first printing, in or out?]<br />
::* [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive06#Baen.27s_.22e-arcs.22:_IN_or_OUT Baen's "e-arcs": IN or OUT]<br />
::* [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive10#Advance_Review.2FReaders_Copies Advance Review/Readers Copies]<br />
::* [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive19#Early_releases_from_Baen_and_Patreon Early releases from Baen and Patreon]<br />
::* [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk/archives/archive_19#Uncorrected_Book_Proofs_and_Advanced_Reader_copies Uncorrected Book Proofs and Advance Reader copies]<br />
::They all boil down to a desire to record ARCs running up against general policy (which I cannot find) that ARCs are not something the ISFDB records. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:39, 25 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Thanks for your search Marty...interesting reading. I'll just say that I don't have an opinion on whether ARCs are in the db or not.<br />
:::The point remains that there is no ARC guidance in the Help.<br />
:::As far back as 2008, MHHutchins refers to ISFDB Policy and no-one calls him on it, so there must have been one - but where is it? Also, do we know whether consensus opinion has moved on in the intervening years? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 14:21, 25 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::I don't know that it has. If you have the desire and energy, you could open a new topic on [[Rules_and_standards_discussions|Rules and standards discussions]] and see if anything definitive comes of it. Maybe we'd at least get an agreement on something specific to put into the acquisition policy. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:59, 26 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::Done :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 09:23, 26 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Unused cover image to be deleted ==<br />
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I mistakenly entered [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THGRTWHTMT2012.jpg this] as the cover image for a 2012 Project Gutenberg of Australia edition and then realized it's actually the cover for the 2018 "most recent update." (It's taken from the cover for the new 2018 Roy Glashan's Library edition.) I deleted the image from the 2012 entry and created a new image file for the 2018 PGA publication I'd just added. So this image should be deleted lest someone seeing "There are no usages of this file" adds it back to the 2012 publication, which probably had no cover at all. [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 10:11, 25 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Deleted. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:58, 26 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks! [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 23:09, 26 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Incorrect information ==<br />
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Hello,<br />
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I'm James Bennett, a British Fantasy and Horror writer. I have a page on the SF database, but there is wrongly listed information. Please can you advise me how to change and update this. <br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?141156&fbclid=IwAR3cLjmEWLqxAV1qsfpTrUwS5E07mGZX6oV4W6g7XDdq4VD19rH3HkSgDTU<br />
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Thanks in advance, James Bennett {{Unsigned2|06:30, February 2, 2023|James Bennett}}<br />
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: Hello, and welcome to our little database! <br />
: With your problem we have to know what is wrong with your summary page: is there a title spelled wrongly, is there something missing, or are tiles listed that don't belong there? Upon this the possible solution depends. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 14:11, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: Upon looking at it more closely I do suspect that the artwork may not be kosher, is that right? (The software doesn't know how to tell apart two different persons with the same name, we have to differentiate them by hand). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 14:14, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: That's right. The following works have not been created by me: <br />
::* Novels - The Tithe of Esra'Nell (2017)<br />
::: Author attribution corrected to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?358476 James S. Bennett].<br />
::* Cover Art: Quest for Faith (2003), Viking Pride (2003), Land of the Dead (2003), Hammer of the Gods (2003), The House That George Built (2011)<br />
::: Disambiguated as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?358477 James Bennett (artist)]<br />
::* Interior Art: Dream: A Tale of Wonder, Wisdom & Wishes (2004), The House That George Built (2009), Star Wars Visions: The Cantina (2010)<br />
::: Disambiguated as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?358477 James Bennett (artist)]<br />
:: And I would like to ADD the following if I may:<br />
::* Short stories: <ul><br />
:::<li>End Times in Paris - The Fox Spirit Book of Love (2021)<br />
:::<li>Morta - The Book of Queer Saints (2022)<br />
:::<li>Husk - There's More of Us Than You Know anthology (2022)<br />
:::<li>The Cicatrix - Tales From Between (2023)<br />
:::<li>Facts Concerning the First Annual Arkham Parade - Occult Detective Magazine (2023)<br />
:::<li>A Devilment - Raunch anthology (2023) </ul><br />
:::* Essays: A Rainbow at Night: Reappraising the ‘Bury Your Gays’ trope - The Ginger Nuts of Horror (2022)<br />
:::* Novellas: The Dust of the Red Rose Knight - BOTH Press (2023) <br />
::: Thanks so much for your help! {{Unsigned2|10:46, February 3, 2023| James Bennett}}<br />
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::: I've corrected the author attribution for the titles which should not have been attributed to you. (see inline above). The database is publication driven. To add titles to your author summary page, you enter the publications in which they appear. Give it a try, the reviewing moderator will help you with any problems. Please sign all your posts using four tildes <nowiki>(~~~~)</nowiki>. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:31, 3 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::I added cover artist (Kyle de Silva) to Tithe... using Amazon, they have no other credits on ISFDB, seems odd to me for such a professional cover, probably more out there. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:34, 3 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Dante's Inferno ==<br />
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Hi. I have purchased an ebook version of Mark Musa's translation of Dante's Inferno (ISBN 9780253012401) which I wanted to add. The translation sections, the main body of the book, are clearly very similar to {{P|444379}}, but are ordered in a different way. The paperback has Canto I prose, verse, notes, Canto II prose, verse, notes, etc. The ebook has Canto I..XXXIV prose, Canto I verse, notes, Canto II verse, notes, ….<br />
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At first glance, the various bits appear to be the same, just in a different order. Should I include title {{T|1717942}} in the ebook or should I create a new variant of {{T|1640580}}?<br />
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:If the pieces are just ordered differently you just can clone the existing publication and order the pieces by piping the pages ('|1', '|2', '|3', and so on). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 14:17, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Sorry, I should have been more clear. The title {{T|1717942}} includes 34x3 pieces. There are not 34x3 existing titles. While creating 34x3 titles, one for each of the 34 Cantos prose, verse and notes pieces would be a solution, I'm not sure it's optimal. Actually, we could get away with 34x2 pieces (one for each of the 34 Cantos prose and one for each of the 34 Cantos verse+notes), but it's not much better.--[[User:AliHarlow|AliHarlow]] ([[User talk:AliHarlow|talk]]) 15:54, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: If both use Musa's translation then use the same title record. Do not create fictitious titles. If you wish to elaborate on the layout, do so in the publication notes. Use clone or add pub depending on how many titles from the tp appear in the ebook. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:19, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Glukhovsky - The World of Metro 2034 ==<br />
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This translated shortfiction title only exists in the pub under the title page [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3137195 Metro 2034].<br />
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Looking at the translation help page / step 2 / option 2, my problem is that the title doesn't exist on the db in Russian (it would have been in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1290525 2009 original edition]. Can someone give me the Russian title? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:06, 4 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I have found the first pages of the Russian original and of the Gollancz translation on the net. "The World of Metro 2034" is a translation of "Пролог" ("Prologue") in the Russian edition. Note that the Russian edition also contains a one-page "Annotation", which is basically an abridged and slightly modified version of the prologue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:46, 4 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Thanks for looking that up. Just to be clear... should I make the canonical title just "Пролог"? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:05, 4 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: I would suggest disambiguating it by appending "(Метро 2034)" to the end of the title. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:24, 4 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::Perfect! Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:35, 4 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Asimov - The Gods Themselves ==<br />
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Quandry. I have the Panther/Granada [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?817936 1978 print]. All the details there are correct - except the cover image (mine has no flash over the ship) and the OCLC/WorldCat: 614700011 (it should be 715472480). IanPercival cloned Don Erikson's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?205269 1976 print], including the link to his cover image. What would be the best way to treat this? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:54, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:In general, you should fix the bits of the record that are wrong. (1) There is no OCLC/WorldCat verifier, so delete the incorrect OCLC reference, add the correct one, and make yourself OCLC/WorldCat verifier. (2) If you can scan your cover, do that and replace the image. You could also try to find an appropriate image on the web somewhere and link it or download/upload it, in place of doing your own scan. If you can't do either of those, then since the difference is relatively minor and the existing image is still helpful in identifying the book, I recommend keeping the cover and adding a note about the discrepancies between the image on the record and the image on your book. Whichever path you take here, make yourself a primary verifier. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:59, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for that fulsome answer Marty. Perfect. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 13:26, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== variant cover image ==<br />
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Hello, I have tried to variant this {{T|3146452|cover}}. Is it correct or the other way around? Many thanks [[User:Henna|Henna]] ([[User talk:Henna|talk]]) 16:54, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:I think it should be the other way around. Since ''Der Drache'' came first, and we have decided "Enric" is the artist's canonical name, {{T|3146453|this (3146453)}} should be the parent, and the other three should be made variants of that. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:11, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Hello Marty, please take a look. Is it OK? Thanks again [[User:Henna|Henna]] ([[User talk:Henna|talk]]) 06:52, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::Yes, that looks right to me. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 09:18, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Uploaded cover image - what next? ==<br />
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I uploaded a cover image for a book edition that exists, but doesn't have a cover image. I can't find any information anywhere about what do do next to have it moved to the database. I've been trawling through the wiki a couple of times looking for beginners instructions but can't find anything. I have uploaded the file and it's sitting in the uploaded files area. It's been there 2 weeks. Is it a time thing? Do new images only get updated monthly or something? A general Faq about the end to end process of getting an image into the database would be useful. {{Unsigned2|06:32, February 21, 2023|JRBleckly}}<br />
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: You needed to edit the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?FORTRESS1993 publication record] entering the image link in the 'Image URL:' field. [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_upload_images_to_the_ISFDB_wiki Here] is the applicable help section. The link is also in the welcome message I just posted on your talk page. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:31, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Unrelated post moved to [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:JRBleckly#Author_attribution User talk:JRBleckly Author attribution]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:23, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== genre? ==<br />
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Would a story where alive is not dead bur is living under assumed identity be considered SF? Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 11:19, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: Nope. Nothing speculative or supernatural in this. It won't be ours even if the main character "dies" in front of other characters by being injected by something that allows a doctor to pronounce them dead and then "revives". If you share a specific book, there may be something that makes it ours but just being considered dead while living elsewhere/as someone else is a thriller trope, not one of ours. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:41, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Yeah, that's what I was thinking. thanks [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 22:46, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Asimov - Foundation & Empire variant ==<br />
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Since submitting this {{P|935156|26th printing}} I've been changing the publication (approved) and prologue (pending) titles of two other pubs with Gambino's artwork; {{P|14452|1994-03-00}} and {{P|559685|1996-00-00}}. Now all that's needed is a merge for the three, but I've hit the buffers.<br />
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Gambino's titles {{T|1375932|are here}} and at the moment the date is 1994-03-00.<br />
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If I merge the other two with my copy, the variant option is there but which date to chose? I can find no reference to a 1994-03-00 date. Locus1 gives "Foundation and Empire (HarperCollins UK 0-586-01355-5, May ’94 [Jun ’94], £4.99, 240pp, pb" and Locus has no title entry for Gambino under cover artists.<br />
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My copy states it's a 1996 edition and so does the {{P|559685|1996-00-00}} entry. The {{P|14452|1994-03-00}} pub shows quite a chequered edit history. Suggestions please. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 06:49, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
: As long as the 1994-03-00 publication is in there, the coverart title will carry its date. So the question really is - is that 1994 book really carrying this cover and is there a 1994 book? <br />
: The cover angle may be the easier to tackle: The credit is based on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?329616 this] book which happens to have a lot of PVs, 2 of them very active. So hit them with the task to go and check in the book what exactly the credit in there is - is it for the art only or is that edition called specifically. Then we will be down to either our DB error (which we can talk about), an error in this book (which happens and we can document) or a confirmation of a 1994 cover). It is possible that because it is UK, the US dates are a bit muddled but... my guess is that we are in either door 1 or 2. But let's start with what that book actually credited. <br />
: Meanwhile, start looking at OCLC, Goodreads, auctions and other online venues for that UK edition and see if the date is confirmable somewhere and if the cover for it can be verified to be this one. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:42, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks Annie for your time looking at this. I did spend a long while searching online but couldn't find a 1994-03-00 reference anywhere, but I'll try again. Meanwhile, yes, I'll find out what's in that book. One step at a time :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::As Mavmaramis [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Mavmaramis#Fred_Gambino_re:_Asimov.27s_-_Foundation_.26_Empire_variant] noted, Fred Gambino did a single painting for the six Foundation books (on two panels). The full painting can be seen [https://www.fredgambino.co.uk/traditional?pgid=jrwcbp9g-5af53fa1-6157-4704-b99b-64cf4f33894c here]. The reproduction in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?329616 Ground Zero] has the following note: 'Foundation series over (left panel)/(right panel) over Isaac Asimov over HarperCollins UK over Acrylic'. I.m.o. that means the illustrations were first used on the HarperCollins UK editions. We have five of these dated in 1994 (see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisheryear.cgi?5+1994 here]). I think [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29418 this] is the sixth, and should be dated 1994-03-00. Unfortunately the edits were done by user BarDenis, who hasn't been active since september 2013. Just my 2c. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 15:52, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::The [http://www.locusmag.com/index/b26.htm Locus] entry goes on to state ''...[Foundation] Reissue (Gnome 1953) SF novel; '''<u>28th printing</u>'''. The Third Volume in the "Foundation" saga.'', which happens to match the printing cited in that undated record. So maybe that one should be dated 1994-05-00. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 16:14, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::Nice find Marty. I agree, and it's redated. There's still no sign of a source for the F & E 1994-03-00 date so I'll revert to the artist for clarification.<br />
:::::Thanks to Willem and Mavmaramis for trying! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:01, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Introrse: The King's Whisper ==<br />
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I ran across a copy of this book and have two problems. The first is that the book seems to be quite obscure. ISFDB has no record of it or the author R. H. Martin. Anything I can find about him leads to a cult-ish, clique-ish pages and a member sign-in. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32263580-introrse Goodreads] covers a paperback edition and a Kindle edition with ISBNs and [https://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=22455110830&searchurl=isbn%3D9781521062470 Abebooks UK] and [https://www.amazon.ca/Introrse-Whisper-Randy-H-Martin/dp/1521062471 Amazon] seem to have copies for sale. It is the second in a series and the first exists in the OCLC, but not the second. I figure that I could use these to create entries, but that's the easy part. The copy I have is hard-bound. It has no publication information whatsoever. Page 1 is blank, page 3 is the start of the 'story' and it ends on the last page. I've not read the book, but it is sprinkled with diary excerpts dated 3050 and talks about the world of Schwa and the planet Hytrae, so is probably eligible. No copyright, no printing info, no page numbers. The first blank page has the inscription "Thanks for everything R. H. Martin". 8 1/2" by 11" pages. The title and author in gold leaf on cover and spine. Spine also has the word Sharp. Is this even a 'published' book? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:31, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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: You probable already found these, but he has a [https://www.facebook.com/people/Randy-H-Martin/100063544988504/ Facebook] page and a [https://www.randyhmartin.com/ website]. Both list the same email address. You could try to ask him about it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:07, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: I will try, but my question(s) remain - makes it a 'published' book under the revised criteria? What questions do I need to ask? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 11:19, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::Well, you would explain what you have and ask what he can tell you about it. Given a hard cover, it seems unlikely to be an ARC. Given the existence of Kindle and paperback editions, it seems likely to be part of some sort of publication run. Assuming he knows what it is, he should be able to tell you when it was issued, its nature, who produced it, how many copies, etc. That should help you figure out if it's "published" in the sense that the ISFDB cares about. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:46, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::::https://openlibrary.org/books/OL40850422M/Introrse. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:01, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Hyde & Wintz - Précieuses reliques: Precious Artifacts 3 ==<br />
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I've submitted [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5601198 this] and I think there are problems with it. I've entered the titles as they they appear in the book.<br />
*What are the titling issues here?<br />
*How do I treat the (back and forth) translations (if at all) - they're published simultaneously?<br />
:Btw, I'm aware of the titles transliteration and author name varianting needing to be done.<br />
Advice please. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 14:10, 7 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Some suggestions (others may disagree, so don't rush off to implement):<br />
:# I would be inclined to make the main title be the French, then the English: <pre>Précieuses reliques: Une bibliographie de Philip K. Dick / Precious Artifacts 3: A Philip K. Dick Bibliography</pre> and document the presentation on the title page in the notes, as you have done.<br />
:# You should be able to keep the contents you have, and then for the ones where there's a full essay and its translation, I am pretty sure once accepted you can make the translation a variant of the original, even with both appearing in the same publication. If which is the original is unclear, going with the French one seems best to me -- it sounds like 60% (or more) French, 40% (or less) English.<br />
:# You should add disambiguation to "Préface", "Forward", and "Index des Noms".<br />
: Nothing else leapt out at me. Very comprehensive notes! --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 19:19, 7 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::Elegant solutions to all the questions I had about this. Thanks Marty! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:31, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Interior art variants ==<br />
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I've entered an omnibus where the author's name has dropped an initial, generating variant titles. This has reproduced the interior illustrations of the original. In the original, the illustrations were added individually to the contents using the [n] index. Given that the order of the illustrations doesn't match, I prefer to enter them as a single entry for each novel. I believe I should date both to the omnibus publication date, but would like to variant them to the original entries. However, I could date them to the original and variant the individual interior art titles mine. Aside from this date clean-up, the whole shebang starts [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?939442 here]. N.B. If you follow links, you can see there are only about 6 or 7 illustrations, and I do have access to the original and could match illustrations up and re-use/import the titles. Let's assume there were dozens, or I didn't have access, as opposed to, say, not liking the idea of delineating illustrations in the first place without including the actual artwork. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 16:53, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::We do not variant records for individual artwork to records for combined artworks (or vice versa). You should only variant if they are records for the same artwork (individual to individual or combined to combined). If you choose to use a combined record where the original used individual, then you should add a title note explaining that and you can link to the original records in the title note, but not create variants. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:42, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Hi! I've one remark: if there's reason to believe the illustrations were published with the original novel publications they should be dated to that appearance (and have notes added why they don't show up with them). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:57, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Variants are dated at the first publication of the variant. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:42, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== UK price in Guineas ==<br />
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I've encountered a 1901 publication with the price listed in BLIC as "3 gns" i.e. 3 Guineas. I entered it as it appears the the catalog, which caused a yellow warning. Should we enter as "gns 30", or should it be recalculated into shillings as "63/-"? Thoughts. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:40, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Considering that it is always a set rate, I'd add it as 63/- and add a note that BLIC credited in guineas. It is unclear what the book used but considering that most of our books are considerably under a Guinea, that may be just a convention of recording - either in BLIC or on the books when the value is so high (kinda like books used 50c or 50p until they came closer to the dollar but in reverse... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:20, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::The edition priced at 3 Guineas, was printed on vellum and limited to 15 copies, as opposed to the edition printed on paper for 15/- and limited to 300. The [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinea_(coin)#Twentieth_century_onwards Wikiepdia article] on the currency states that in the 20th century, "The guinea had an aristocratic overtone, so professional fees, and prices of land, horses, art, bespoke tailoring, furniture, white goods and other "luxury" items were often quoted in guineas until a couple of years after decimalisation in 1971". Both prices are from BLIC and given that the prices are quoted differently, I'm guessing that the vellum edition was sold as a luxury item. Regardless, I can convert the price to shillings. I already had added a note explaining the abbreviation and its source and value in shillings. I'll adjust accordingly. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:27, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: I suspect that you are right and the guineas price was a convention in high-end goods. If we expect to have a lot of books like that, we can always add the currency but... the UK prices are already complicated as it is, adding a new wrinkle for a book or 3 will be an overkill. I don't really have a strong opinion though so if everyone else disagrees, I won't oppose adding it. I just don't see it being helpful. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:58, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: PS: If we decide to go with a note and conversion, I think we should add that to the help page so people know how to convert and record if they see a price in guineas - the same way we have notes on how to record prices in p for example. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:03, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== John Howard ==<br />
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Hi, This is John Howard (1961, ID 25485). Could a new author please be created so that the following entries can be attributed to him - they are not by me:<br />
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In Anthologies: Strange Tales (1976);<br />
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In Short Fiction: Grasshoppers (2010) / Spook (2010) / Mountain Man (2012) / The Judiciales (2012);<br />
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In Essays: The Great Wild West Writing Challenge (2014).<br />
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Thank you. All best, John <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:JohnHoward|JohnHoward]] ([[User talk:JohnHoward|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/JohnHoward|contribs]]) .</small> 07:18, 16 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Welcome to ISFDB, John. I'll work on this for you. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:41, 16 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Okay, this is all done. I split them into two additional authors/editors because I don't think the 1976 John Howard is the same as the 2010s John Howard. Please let us know if there are any others things that need fixing. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:54, 16 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Duplicate Cover Scan ==<br />
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Two pubs, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?923797 Mission Critical] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?876469 Insertion] have the same artwork on the cover, but differ in the printing. When I uploaded the cover for Mission Critical early this year, I mistakenly uploaded the cover for Insertion. Trying to correct my error, I deleted the cover art for Mission Critical and tried to upload the correct art. But I can't; I get a message telling me that the new upload is the same as the old one and cannot get the new version to upload. How do I fix this? [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] ([[User talk:Biomassbob|talk]]) 12:21, 19 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:If you look at [[:File:MSSNCRTCLP2023.jpg]], it did successfully upload. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:01, 19 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::No. That is the cover scan that prevents the loading of the one for Mission Critical. As I said, the artwork is identical, but the title and authors differ. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] ([[User talk:Biomassbob|talk]]) 20:23, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: You should be able to tell it to upload anyway despite the warnings. What is the exact error message you are seeing? The "This file is a duplicate of the following file" one or the "A file with this name exists already"? In either way, you should see the "Ignore warnings and save file anyway" button at the bottom. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 21:02, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::It says the file is a duplicate. I hit ignore warnings in the original upload to no effect, and when it shows a duplicate (which is NOT a duplicate), it only allows to reload, not to load anyhow. The problem is more complex that I originally thought. The pub is also in the data base uploaded from Amazon, so it's duplicated. Is the easiest solution to delete the copy I loaded, go to the Amazon copy and try uploading the cover scan? [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] ([[User talk:Biomassbob|talk]]) 16:35, 21 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::When I look at [[:File:MSSNCRTCLP2023.jpg]], the cover title is "Mission Critical" and the authors on the cover match this record {{P|923797}}. Try clearing your browser cache and revisiting the page. It is likely that your browser is just confused and is showing you its cached version of the old cover when the new one is already there (which is why you are getting a duplicate image error). --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:34, 21 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::: Bob, you also need to add it to the URL field -- the file seems to be in there - it is just not connected. Did you happen to miss that step by any chance? (just dotting i's and crossing t's here). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:42, 21 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Avoiding variant of a variant ==<br />
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I have a couple of questions leading on from this earlier thread [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Hyde_.26_Wintz_-_Pr.C3.A9cieuses_reliques:_Precious_Artifacts_3 Hyde & Wintz]. There are five essays which are translations of the French and I'm stuck now on how to proceed in making them variants of the canonical French titles.<br />
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Here's one example: This is the {{T|3156721|canonical French}} title and its {{T|3154169|variant French}} title. This is the {{T|3156720|canonical English translation}} and its {{T|3154168|variant English}} title.<br />
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So, the questions are, how do I go about this and could I have gone about it a better way? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 13:06, 19 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:As both authors are listed as English authors in ISFDB, for ISFDB purposes the English title is the canonical title and the French title is the translation. {{T|3156720}} would be the parent with both {{T|3154168}} and {{T|3154169}} varianted to it. {{T|3156721}} would be deleted. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:56, 19 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Just to clarify something in the general rules in case someone finds this later: how the author language is set is irrelevant for determining what is the canonical title. If the originals are created/written in French (aka the author wrote them in French originally), the French record becomes the parent no matter what language the author usually uses. If the translation is done via an intermediate language (Bulgarian translations of a Japanese novel done from the Russian translation for example), the middle language is only in the notes as we cannot have variant of variants. Same with revised translations, same translations under different title/author forms and so on. We have quite a few multi-lingual authors where that is important). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:59, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Thank you Annie for that clarification. That's what I was waiting for. I now have the solution to my original question. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:34, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: Just make sure in such cases to check that it is "written in French" and not "written for the French editions and translated by an unknown (or known) hand including the author's" or "first published in French". The latter two will have the English as the original as that was the original text). Art is... more complicated. So let's not talk about it here. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:45, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Two names for author on title page ==<br />
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The title page lists the title [over] "Written by: SilentBelle" [over] "AKA: Jake Degner". Neither name is in the database.<br />
The copyright page has "Cover Art is by: Sameasusual" followed by a weblink to a fuller image than what's on the cover. Sameasusual seems to be a userid on an art site. <br />
How do I list these 'authors'? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:02, 24 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: We do follow the 'Written by' statement, so it'd be SilentBelle as author (like in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35474 this example]: "Stephen King writing as Richard Bachman"). For the artwork we ususally also follow the credit (with the possible exceptions of obvious misspellings or -credits). Hope that helps! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 05:59, 25 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: AND add notes that author is 'also known as Jake Degner', and add website of artist + explanation that name is userid on that site. :) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 06:34, 25 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: ..and the [[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?942886 results]], with thanks. ../<br />
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== Dawn Burdett vs. D. M. Burdett ==<br />
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I think that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?297694 Dawn Burdett] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?297701 D. M. Burdett] are the same person as mentioned on [https://www.blackharepress.com/d-m-burdett/ this site]. What does anyone think? [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 16:58, 27 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Let's keep all the discussion in one place. There's already a discussion going [[ISFDB:Community Portal#Dawn Burdett vs. D. M. Burdett|over here]]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:02, 27 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Serial fiction app publications? ==<br />
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There are a growing number of serial fiction apps for smartphones. Some of the apps are publishing speculative fiction titles of note; recent serial app YONDER in particular is aggressively promoting itself as carrying backlist & commissioned titles from established authors (including specfic): [https://www.fastcompany.com/90795223/webtoon-launches-yonder-a-new-serialized-fiction-app promo news article here], [https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20221013005132/en/New-App-YONDER-Reimagines-Serialized-Fiction-with-a-Curated-Catalog-from-Bestselling-Authors-and-the-Most-Exciting-Voices-in-Storytelling press release here]. So how, if at all, should these app publications be added to ISFDB? <br />
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EXAMPLE 1: novel [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1313485 Power & Majesty] by Tansy Rayner Roberts was republished in serial form on app [https://radishfiction.com/stories/15019 Radish Fiction]. EXAMPLE 2: the series [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?42828 Available Darkness] by Sean Platt & David Wright has a story [https://m.yonderstory.com/titles/927 Darkness Itself] first published exclusively on the serial app YONDER. Would the app publications in these examples be added as new separate publications on ISFDB, or would they be added only as URL links on the "Power & Majesty" title and Available Darkness series pages? --[[User:Morebooks|Morebooks]] ([[User talk:Morebooks|talk]]) 13:28, 28 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Le Guin - The Dispossessed ==<br />
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Looking at the title {{T|7659|The Dispossessed: An Ambiguous Utopia}} (1974-05-00) and its variant {{T|1765549|The Dispossessed}} (also 1974-05-00), don't we date to the first instance of the variant, in this case to 1999-08-12? There's also this variant {{T|1898185|The Dispossessed}}(also 1974-05-00), but as Ursula K. Le Guin (to 1975-07-00?). Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:40, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Yes - we do. A lot of the older books are dated based on older rules which had the variants being dated based on the parent date (and/or based on a faulty understanding of the date rules by some moderators). These need fixing - so submit the updates (and any other you spot). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:50, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks Annie, I'll proceed. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:53, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pages? ==<br />
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I have a novel with numbered pages 1-201. The novel finishes on page 200. Page 201 is about the author and falls to 'contents not included'. Please remind me, should it be ...<br />
:a) Pages 200, and in notes "Novel ends page 200, a note about the author is on page 201, also numbered.", or<br />
:b) Pages 201, state the same in notes<br />
I think it's a) but I ask because there is already a different printing in the db (with the same content) with Pages 201 (no note). What do you think? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 04:12, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:As I read [[Template:PublicationFields:Pages|this help template]], it should be entered as 201. The About the Author can also be included if it is of significant length (see [[Template:PublicationInfo:WhatToInclude#Contents included with exceptions|this]]). Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:35, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:All numbered pages should be included in the page count, so 201. You can mention in the noes that the story ends on 200 and the About the Author is on 201 (unless it's a really long one, as mentioned by Rtrace). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:57, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks to both of you for your help, 201 it is :) Kev.--[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:15, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bloody Vegas ==<br />
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Can somebody tell me what to do with [https://www.amazon.com/Bloody-Vegas-Book-ebook/dp/B0BKWC8VDD/ref=sr_1_1?qid=1680665670&refinements=p_27%3AAela++Rose&s=digital-text&sr=1-1&text=Aela++Rose this book]? The Amazon credits are a real mess. The cover title and author credits are completely different than those inside the book. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 23:53, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Created 2 log ons, still says I'm not logged on ==<br />
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I read I needed 2 log ons, one for the site, one for the Wiki, but the app still says I'm not logged on. There are some corrections I need to make to my author info. {{unsigned|Nycwritercomposer}}<br />
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: Let me first confirm that we are on the same page re: the account creation process. [[ISFDB:FAQ]] says:<br />
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:* Note that the ISFDB database and the ISFDB wiki use the same accounts, so your User ID and password will be the same.<br />
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: The fact that you were able to create this Wiki post as [[User:Nycwritercomposer]] means that you have a valid Wiki account. All you have to do now is use the same account name and password on one of the ISFDB Web pages like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/index.cgi the ISFDB front page] and you should be logged in on both sides. If it doesn't work, the ISFDB FAQ has a list of common issues, which I am copy-pasting below:<br />
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:* The browser has cookies disabled<br />
:* The browser is Safari, which has reportedly caused problems for some users<br />
:* The user is trying to access the ISFDB using a URL other than https://www.isfdb.org<br />
:* The user is unaware that the user name is case sensitive (although the ISFDB Wiki lets you log in even if you use the wrong case)<br />
:* The user is unaware that the user name is automatically changed to have an initial capital letter<br />
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: Could you please give it a try and see if it works? And welcome to the ISFDB project! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:52, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Harcourt Brace Jovanovich ==<br />
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I'd be grateful if someone could explain how I should evaluate {{P|194085|this pub}} in terms of 1st or 2nd printing. [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Verification_requests/Archive_06#Stanis.C5.82aw_Lem._Fiasco This thread] gives me pause. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 04:07, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
: The explanation on the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?267 publisher page] is correct. You might find [https://www.qbbooks.com/first_ed_pub.php Quill & Brush] a valuable resource. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 07:15, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Aha! That fourth line was just waiting for me, hiding in plain sight... The Q&B link is just what I was looking for too. Thanks John. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 08:44, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Clarke - The Fountains of Paradise ==<br />
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I've landed in a tangle of Prefaces, Forewords, Afterwords, Additions, and their dates, and need advice on whether my thinking is any good on how to untangle all these essays.<br />
:*1) {{T|1315145|Preface (The Fountains of Paradise)}} and {{T|1696146|Foreword (The Fountains of Paradise)}}. ''Foreword'' is the parent title, correctly, as there are 6 ''Foreword''s and 3 ''Preface''s (note that the {{P|361011|8th printing}} has both titles). However, whilst the ''Preface'' is correctly dated 1979-01-00, the ''first instance'' we have of the ''Foreword'' is {{P|180669|1980-04-00 Pan Books}} and so I suggest the title date change 1979-00-00 to 1980-04-00.<br />
:*2) {{T|990208|Sources and Acknowledgments (The Fountains of Paradise)}} and {{T|1315143|Afterword: Sources and Acknowledgments}}. There are two of the former and eight of the latter titles, so I suggest reversing the variant. ''Sources and Acknowledgments (...)'' is dated 1979-00-00 but it is not given in the {{P|180001|1979-00-00 BCA edition}}. Should the title be re-dated to 1979-01-00? The ''Afterword: Sources...'' is dated 1979-00-00 but first appeared 2000-10-12. Should that also be re-dated?<br />
:*3) {{T|1315144|Addition to the Afterword}}. It appears that the title date 1989-03-00 has been derived from the author's signing date at the end of the essay and has been promulgated throughout; see also {{P|361011|8th printing}} and {{P|944280|13th printing}}. The {{P|115241|2000-10-12 printing}} appears to be the ''1st published'' instance of this title. We have only 3 candidates for a possible publishing date between 1989-03-00 and 2000-10-12; {{P|40141|1989-08-00 VGSF}}, {{P|40140|1991-01-00 Bantam Spectra}}, {{P|40139|1992-12-00 VGSF}} but none of them have active PVs to ask if the title is present. I suggest changing the title date 1989-03-00 to 2000-10-12.<br />
:*4) And lastly, the titles ''Afterword: Sources and Acknowledgments'' and ''Addition to the Afterword'' should be disambiguated for the author page.<br />
Thoughts and advice would be welcome. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 09:56, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Update: The ''Afterword: Sources...'' title has just been re-dated, as I was writing the above. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:04, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::*1) I wonder if the preface and foreword are the same. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?221061 my copy] has the preface on page xiii. It begins with '"From Paradise to Taprobane is forty leagues', ends with 'And utmost Indian Isle Taprobane..."' and has 19 lines. As it is, the dating is correct (I will add it to my copy). ''Preface'' is the variant title and is dated on the first appearance of the variant, ''Foreword'' is the parent title and dated on the first appearance of the text.<br />
:::*2) I would not support reversing the parent/variant. The essay is probably present in most or all of the publications of this noveel, just not (yet) in the database. "Sources and Acknowledgments" should indeed be re-dated to 1979-01-00<br />
:::*3) Yes, 'Addition to the Afterword' should be re-dated to 2000-10-12, with a note about the discrepancy of the author's signing date.<br />
:::*4) Yes, generic titles should always be disambiguated. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 10:47, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Thanks for your answer Willem.<br />
::::*1) You are likely correct about the text of the Preface and the Foreword being the same; my copy begins and ends as yours does, although only taking up 15 lines. However, I don't think the text "sameness" is relevant when considering the date - it's when the title first appears, not the text. The first appearance we have of the Foreword is 1980-04-00 which is why I suggested changing it from 1979-00-00 to that. If a subsequent earlier appearance turns up, then the title date would be changed to reflect that. Would you agree?<br />
:::::: The "sameness" is relevant IMO. If it isn't the same foreword, it should have it's own title. I ran across this frequently in translations of Jules Verne, same title, same story, different wording. I separated the TITLE and put the translator and distinguishing text in each of the Notes. That said, minor, editorial variations did not get new titles and this is just a foreword, not a novel. So "sameness" as a principle is important, just maybe not relevant here. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 09:19, 7 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::: If Preface and Foreword were not the same, they should be separated, but it seems they are the same. I suggest we reverse the parent/variant in this case. The current variant was first published 1979-01-00, the current parent on 1980-04-00. Keep in mind that when a variant is published before the parent, the parent gets the date of the variant (except for translations). --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 15:57, 7 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::*2) About reversing the variant. My understanding, from discussions elsewhere, is that whichever is the parent title is decided by which is the best known (most frequent) of the two. The current occurrence of eight titles to two seems a good basis for making that reverse. Do we make the decision based on "the essay is probably present"? At the moment we have no way of knowing that but, again, if more titles turn up, the parent issue can be revisited. My question about ''Afterword: Sources...'' being re-dated 1979 to 2000-10-12 still stands.<br />
::::*3) Agreed.<br />
::::*4) Agreed. Kev. [[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]])<br />
::::: Just chiming in about something: "My understanding, from discussions elsewhere, is that whichever is the parent title is decided by which is the best known (most frequent) of the two." - not exactly. The rule/practive is that the parent title is the earliest one unless a later one had become a lot more popular and familiar. Which amounts to the same thing very often but don't count everywhere for the sake of counting - the default is leaving the first/original title as a parent and you need a good reason for going for a later title (i.e. a serial renamed and always published under a new name when published as a novel for example or a single early publication under one title and then using another exclusively and so on). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:23, 7 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::Thanks for all the help, in the light of which I'll be making the following edits...<br />
:::::::*1) Reverse variant; make Foreword TR# 1696146 (re-date to 1980-04-00) a variant of Preface TR# 1315145 (1979-01-00).<br />
:::::::*2) Sources and Acknowledgments (The Fountains of Paradise) - re-date 1979-00-00 -> 1979-01-00.<br />
:::::::*3) Addition to the Afterword - change title date 1989-03-00 to 2000-10-12 - with a note about the discrepancy of the author's signing date.<br />
:::::::*4) Addition to the Afterword' - disambiguate -> Addition to the Afterword (The Fountains of Paradise).<br />
:::::::*4) Afterword: Sources and Acknowledgments - disambiguate -> Afterword: Sources and Acknowledgments (The Fountains of Paradise).<br />
::::::I think that's everything, but if I've missed anything please let me know. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 01:53, 13 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== C. J. Cherryh revised works ==<br />
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I just found information on three C. J. Cherryh titles that were substantially rewritten after their original publication and published as ebooks. In the case of <i>Rusalka</i> and <i>Yvegnie</i>, should they be considered just another publication under the existing title with a note indicating that this publication is a substantial rewrite of the original or should I create new title such as <i>Rusalka (Revised Edition)</i> and <i>Yvegnie (Revised Edition)</i>? The copyright page for <i>Rusalka</i> doesn't reference the original publication and only gives copyright information relevant to the ebook, strongly implying that it is rewritten. The copyright page for <i>Yvegnie</i> does reference the original publication but also states that it is substantially rewritten and should be considered a new work. I'm leaning toward creating new titles. The third book <i>Chernevog</i> has to be a new title since the ebook edition is authored by both C. J. Cherryh and Jane Fancher instead of just C. J. Cherryh. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 09:19, 9 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Given the presence of a new co-author, I would handle this case the same way we handled {{A|Jeremy Bai}}'s [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?68501 Nine Heavens and Ten Earths Universe]: one series for the original version and another series for the revised version plus a super-series to encompass both series. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:09, 18 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Thanks! I'll work on creating that structure. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 11:22, 18 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Where To Add Community Texts ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?260996; Somebody on Archive.org uploaded a lot of books, most of them "non-fiction" nonsense about Bigfoot and UFO's and such, but hidden among them is this novel which I'm guessing is hard to find since a search for some random sentences from the book found nothing online and many of these old "adult" novels are scarce. I'm never quite sure where I should add a link; it's not the real book except for the covers, being an e-text, so I don't think I should add it to the book's web page field, but if not should I add it to the Hudson title record or the Smith? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:22, 18 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I am looking at the [https://archive.org/details/thosesexysaucerpeoplebyjanhudson_202001/ uploaded file] and it appears to be a scan processed by OCR (Optical Character Recognition) software. The metadata associated with the file says "ABBYY FineReader 11.0 (Extended OCR)", which confirms that it's an OCR'd file. If so, then I would link it on the publication page since it's a scan of the 1967 edition as opposed to a new ebook edition. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:59, 18 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Done. I just noticed the scan's price/ID in upper left corner is blacked out. I wonder who did that, someone long ago or the scanner. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:31, 18 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== What exactly is a valid B&N ID? ==<br />
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[[Template:PublicationFields:ExternalIDs]] states for BN:<br />
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Look for the EAN. If it is a real EAN, it will start with 294. If it matches the ISBN13, do not record it as a BN number but as an ISBN. <br />
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Whilst it's not explicitly stated, my reading of that is that B&N IDs are expected to begin with 294. However I notice that majority of BN IDs in the database don't follow that pattern; the biggest group seem to be (pseudo?) ISBN-10s beginning 11:<br />
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MariaDB [isfdb]> select substring(identifier_value, 1, 3) prefix, length(identifier_value) length, count(1) from identifiers where identifier_type_id = 15 group by prefix, length;<br />
+--------+--------+----------+<br />
| prefix | length | count(1) |<br />
+--------+--------+----------+<br />
| $31 | 6 | 1 |<br />
| 009 | 9 | 1 |<br />
| 012 | 9 | 1 |<br />
| 100 | 10 | 3 |<br />
| 101 | 10 | 3 |<br />
| 102 | 10 | 4 |<br />
| 110 | 10 | 22 |<br />
| 111 | 9 | 3 |<br />
| 111 | 10 | 230 |<br />
| 112 | 9 | 4 |<br />
| 112 | 10 | 661 |<br />
| 113 | 9 | 1 |<br />
| 113 | 10 | 572 |<br />
| 114 | 10 | 375 |<br />
| 122 | 9 | 1 |<br />
| 281 | 8 | 1 |<br />
| 292 | 8 | 1 |<br />
| 294 | 13 | 675 |<br />
| 294 | 15 | 46 |<br />
| 523 | 8 | 1 |<br />
| 547 | 8 | 1 |<br />
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Some of those - e.g. the ASINs and hyperlink - are obviously data entry issues that need fixing, but I tried [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?946112 a recent example of a 11* B&N ID] and [https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/il-presidio-parte-iv-barbara-bottalico/1143320947;jsessionid=4CEADF9D9BA4B812233A560EC9876C89.prodny_store01-atgap12?ean=9788825424188 the link to B&N] worked, so perhaps the info on that help page needs updating? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 11:01, 21 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
: It was designed for the 294 ISBN-like numbers B&N issues to books without ISBNs. However - because of the way their site works, each book also has a specific BN number as well (usually start with 1) and these also work with the URL we are using. So I stopped trying to tell people not to add these - if they want to, they can add them... I do not think we should be adding them so I never add them but there are cases where battles are not worth it - and as the URL works anyway and these are unique numbers anyway, so be it. The ISBNs, ASINs and other exotics above need fixing (some of the weird ones are probably GoodReads numbers). Whoever is fixing these, please do NOT delete them - chase them down and find what they are instead and assign them where they belong.[[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:57, 21 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks; I've cleaned up the link and the ASINs (wonder who was responsible for half of those? ;-) but I'll leave the much bigger jobs like the 978/979 ISBNs for the time being. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 13:53, 21 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: I'll clear the obvious ones up in a bit - I do that once in a while with the External ID search (starting with 9 gets you the ISBN, starting with 5,6 or 7 tend to get you some GRs and so on). :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:52, 21 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Genre or non-genre ==<br />
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I have a collection containing many non-genre essays and one genre short story. When I enter it as a new collection do I tag the pub as non-genre or genre? I'll only be listing the short story in the contents and disregarding the rest, detailing this in the notes. Advice please. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:55, 23 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: If a publication contains many non-genre essays and one genre story, I would enter it as "non-genre NONFICTION" since the primary title type is "ESSAY" as opposed to "SHORTFICTION". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:28, 24 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yes, that makes perfect sense, thanks for that. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:20, 24 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Now I'm in a loop I can't get out of with this... <br />
:::Here is the publication's {{T|3175105|title page}}<br />
:::For a start, Grindrod is not the author, he's the Editor - how do I make that?<br />
:::Apart from one exception, the book is an anthology (many different authors) of non-fiction, non-genre essays. How/where does all that fit in?<br />
:::I've been looking at some of Asimov's non-fiction titles as editor but can't find any clues.<br />
:::More advice needed please. Btw, here's the [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Genre_help_wanted story, again] --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:44, 29 April 2023 (EDT)Thanks, Kev<br />
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::::All publication types have "author" credits. For ANTHOLOGY and MAGAZINE the software chooses to label these credits "Editor", while for all other publication types, the software labels these credits "Author". So if you are following Ahasuerus' suggestion, then you would make a NONFICTION publication (flagged as non-genre) with the editor/compiler as "author" and give it a single SHORTFICTION content record with the genre story and its author credit. Everything else about it would be relegated to the notes (unless some of the essays should be "in", in which case you would add content records for those, too.). You can also put a note on the title record that it's a compilation of essays and Grinrod is the editor. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:56, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: One other clarification re: the NONFICTION type. It's used both for monographs, i.e. non-fiction book-length texts like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?102342 ''How to Write Science Fiction and Fantasy''], and for compendiums of non-fiction essays written by different people like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?249807 ''Howard Phillips Lovecraft Memorial Symposium'']. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:22, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Adding awards to parent title record vs variants ==<br />
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Sanity check: when adding an award to a title, the award should be added to the record of the the title which is listed (or at least, implied) in any official award announcement, rather than the parent title record? [[Help:Screen:AddAward]] doesn't say anything explicitly about this?<br />
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I've just started trundling through [https://locusmag.com/2023/04/2023-locus-awards-top-ten-finalists-2/ the recently announced Locus top 10 finalists], and noticed that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2996522 Nettle & Bone by Ursula Vernon] has 4 award noms, but [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2996521 the T. Kingfisher variant] only has 3, the omission being the Nebula. [https://nebulas.sfwa.org/58th-nebula-awards-finalists/ The SFWA page] lists Kingfisher, so I'd have thought that should be the title record that gets the award attached to?<br />
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However, to be really pedantic about things, this particular case is a bit more complicated. The aforelinked SFWA page lists "Nettle and Bone", which is a variant of the title only used for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3016273 the UK Titan editions], with the Tor US ones using an ampersand. I'm guessing there's probably scope for an editor to use their judgement to determine the "best" title record to add the award to, rather than strictly adhering to announcements, which in this case would split the awards across the two T. Kingfisher variants? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 11:58, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: When this question [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive20 came up last year], I wrote:<br />
:* Re: attaching awards to VTs, yes, it's fully supported by the software. In some cases it's a meaningful distinction, e.g. when the award is given to a translation, so it's the preferred way of doing things.<br />
: A bit later Annie added:<br />
:* I attach the award to the version it was given to (provided that it is not a typo and that version exists as a published book/part of a book) or to the canonical if the award site/announcement made up a weird title for the book. That way they are visible in both places and they are attached where one would expect them to be.<br />
: I thought this practice was documented in Help, but apparently not. I have updated [[Help:Screen:AddAward]]. Thanks for the heads-up. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:08, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks - I had a vague recollection I'd come across this issue before, but I had no memory of adding a wiki item. Sorry for timewasting :-(<br />
:: I've updated the Nebula entry to use the T. Kingfisher variant title. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:04, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: No worries! Help needed to be updated anyway, so it's all good. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]])<br />
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== Jana Bianchi / Jana P. Bianchi ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?307343 This author] is the same [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?329054 as this author] (both the stories linked on the first profile and the single story that appears on the second profile are listed on the [https://janabianchi.com.br/ author's website]). Can both of those profiles be linked? As far as I can tell, Bianchi used to go with the middle initial in the beginning of her career, but seems to have dropped it. [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 14:28, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Done. Thanks for finding this! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 08:43, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks so much! I found another another author with alternate names: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?317569 this is an old alternate name] to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?311028 this same author], as it can be seen in [https://annamartino.com/textos/ her website], so they should probably be merged too :) [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 14:28, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Fixed! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:12, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Thanks! Just one thing: I noticed Jana's chapbook Lobo de Rua (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3183741) is not appearing under her canonical name (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?307343), just in her alternate name. I was the one who added Lobo de Rua, so I'm unsure if I did anything wrong, or if there's a way of making it appear in her main name page. [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 22:20, 17 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::I'll explain how to fix this so you can do the editing and learn. <br />
:::::#Go to the title page for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3183741 ''Lobo de Rua''].<br />
:::::#In the left vertical menu section, in the ''Editing Tools'' section, click on '''Make This Title a Variant'''.<br />
:::::#There are two options for how to make it a variant of another title. The first option is for if the parent title already exists (which it doesn't), so skip down to the second option. In the ''Author 1'' field, delete the contents and enter her canonical name: Jana Bianchi.<br />
:::::#Click the '''Create New Parent Title''' button.<br />
:::::Once you're done, let us know here and we can approve the submission. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:07, 17 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Done! Thank you for your patience :) [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 22:20, 17 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::Approved! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:50, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Transliteration mouse-over? ==<br />
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On Gene Wolfe's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?171 Summary page], mouse-over works for the titles there: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?57389 Parkroads—A Review] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1032738 Afterword (Parkroads—A Review)] but not for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1203064 Gene Wolfe—The Legend, the Man] - although it does work on the title page. Any ideas why? Thanks. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:27, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Hm, it may be a bug. I'll take a look when I finish the patch that I am currently working on. Thanks for reporting the issue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 23:48, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I should have added that I've seen this on other pages too. Thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 05:51, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::From what I've found, the lack of mouse-over only manifests in the "Interviews with This Author" section on authors' pages and is not character-dependent. Where the interviwer's name has been transliterated, mouse-over works. Here are some other examples (author page, affected title): ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?259 259] {{T|3023887|3023887}} {{T|1351367|1351367}} {{T|2454965|2454965}}) ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?8 8] {{T|1685583|1685583}}) ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?17 17] {{T|1021020|1021020}} {{T|1337838|1337838}}) ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?48 48] {{T|1677638|1677638}}) ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?171 171] {{T|1203064|1203064}}). Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:53, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: I believe it's been fixed. Please let me know if you come across any issues. 18:31, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Indeed it has. Thanks for your time on that. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:09, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
(unindent)On PKD title page for {{T|2103|Do Androids...}}, the 1997-00-00 translation "Träumen Androiden von elektrischen Schafen?" is not showing its transliterated title (nor at the head of the pub page). It's been done everywhere I could find. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:06, 28 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?720634 1997 printing of ''Träumen Androiden von elektrischen Schafen?''] didn't have a transliterated title value set. It's been added and everything seems to look OK. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 00:14, 29 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Ah, I didn't look at pub level edit. Thanks! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 00:29, 29 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Early SFWA Bulletins ==<br />
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I've recently acquired copies of most of the 1965-1982 issues of the SWFA Bulletin. I have a problem putting these into the pub grid. Previous copies have generally be put into sub-groups by year (SWFA Bulletin - 1967 for instance). I can't figure out how to do this apparently. Help. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] ([[User talk:Biomassbob|talk]]) 19:17, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Bob, the problem is trying to use a separate series for each year. We only need one series [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?28836 The SFWA Bulletin]. Use this series regardless of the year and <b>no</b> series number. The software will place the each issue in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?28836 issue grid] using the date field. We also merge all the issues for a given year, for example [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2846550 The SFWA Bulletin - 1983]. <br />
:* 1966 - Edit the title record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3180604 SFWA Bulletin, January 1966] Remove the Series Number:, make the Title: "SFWA Bulletin - 1966" and Date: "1966-00-00". This will be the title record you use to merge any additional 1966 issues with the same editor. Different editors get their own "rollup" title.<br />
:* 1965<br />
:# Edit the series record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?69835 The SFWA Bulletin - 1965] Change Name: to "The SFWA Bulletin" & Parent: blank. <br />
:# Edit the title record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3176839 SFWA Bulletin, July 1965] Change Name: to "SFWA Bulletin - 1965", Date: "1965-00-00", Series Number: blank. <br />
:# Merge the other two 1965 title records and any additional with the title from step #2.<br />
:Let me know if anything isn't clear, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:59, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bloodchild and Other Stories in French ==<br />
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Hi I am new here and have seen that Bloodchild from Octavia Butler had a translation in French "Enfants de sang" not present on ISFDB see [https://www.belial.fr/legacy/a/revue/bifrost-108 here], though I don't know if is is the same title used for the collection of short storis called Bloodchild and other stories. How do you proceed to :1 create an entry on isfdb for Enfants de sang, 2- look up if there is a translation for the collection of stories ? Thanks for your patience ! [[User:Nattes|Nattes]] ([[User talk:Nattes|talk]]) 17:17, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Step 1: Add the French book with as many details as you know, including contents. The dates of the stories and the collection should be the ones of the French versions and NOT of the English ones.<br />
: Step 2-x: Once the book is approved, for each title inside of it (the collection itself and each story), add the translator (if known) and variant the French title to the English one. When opening the title, the Make Variant link is on the left menu (you want Make and not Add Variant). <br />
: Welcome to ISFDB! Do not hesitate to ask if you have more questions. It may be useful to open one of the other translations of this collection ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?870988 The Italian one is here]) and see how it looks like and what is added where. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:31, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Id did this https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/submitnewpub.cgi but it's not correct : I cant change the type to "short fiction" and I don't know who the tranlator is :/[[User:Nattes|Nattes]] ([[User talk:Nattes|talk]]) 17:55, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5661758 The submission]. So... this is a bit different because this is part of a magazine - in this specific case the book that needs adding in step 1 above is the magazine issue. You need to add the magazine and add the story inside of it - you do not add individual stories which are parts of other books on their own. We do not have any of the 2022 issues of that Bifrost (the older ones are [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?37891 here]: see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?851563 and example issue]). I can approve this one and fix it and explain what I did - or you can cancel it and add a New Magazine (similarly to how the old issues were added) and we can take it from there. Let me know. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:03, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: So then my second attempt is no better :/. I understand I have to add the no 108 of Bifrost after creating it. I think you can delete all my mistakes will try again tomorrow (thaks for the welcoming spirit !) [[User:Nattes|Nattes]] ([[User talk:Nattes|talk]]) 18:12, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::: The variant was ok but the resulting French title would have been deleted overnight if someone worked through the cleanup report as it was a title without publication. So we usually recommend first to add the book/magazine and then to variant its titles.<br />
::::: You start by creating Bifrost 108. Click on New Magazine on the left menu - and start from there. And I (or another moderator) will assist and correct whatever needs correcting - and explain so you know for your next submission. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:18, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::: PS: Magazines are the most complicated type in here - if you understand them, adding novels becomes a walk in the park. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:19, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Which currency to use? ==<br />
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There was a discussion on this topic that I read but didn't track. I have an interesting anomaly. There are two versions of the first edition of David Eddings' ''Guardians of the West'', an [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?16151 American] at $4.95 and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?683228 Canadian] at C$6.95. I have in hand a copy with a cover at $6.95, but printed in the United States. No line numbers on any of the three copies and later editions went for $5.95 in the US. Only a single price on each copy, none of the usual double pricing. I think it is just a misplaced Canadian cover, but do I bother entering it, and if I do, does it get the (stated) US price of $6.95 or the implied Canadian price of C$6.95? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 16:46, 14 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I'd just a note about the discrepancy in both of our records... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:37, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: I read it, I liked, I did it. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 16:15, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Charles Vess' Earthsea interior art in omnibus and individual novel forms ==<br />
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There are currently separate records for the Charles Vess Earthsea artwork for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2418221 the original omnibus] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3106333 the (presumed) subset of art that appears in a later standalone A Wizard of Earthsea pub]. Would it be reasonable to variant the latter to the former, similar to how split novels are handled?<br />
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I see there's also [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3164744 a Portuguese record] for the art for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?944900 a Brazilian pub of The Tombs of Atuan], which could maybe be similarly varianted, if that's the right way to go. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 09:11, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: It seems most likely that Vess did artwork for every single title (at least for the single novels), and that those appear in the onmibus edition. Thus, to this edition the single titles of artwork should be added (i. e. "A Wizard of Earthsea", "The Tombs of Atuan", "The Farthest Shore" & "Tehanu"). This also would solve the problem of interior art without a parent found for example [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?944901 here]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:38, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Where does a novel start? ==<br />
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In 2020 I edited a pub where the text of a novel started on page 3 (the 1st numbered page), and that's the page I entered for the regular title. Now I think I should have entered page 1. Page 1 is unnumbered (although that has no bearing here, but would be recorded in the notes) and has a title for the 1st section of the novel. Which version of me is right? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:30, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Since in most cases there's no regular content title before the beginning of the novel, I personally would also enter p. 1 as beginning (but maybe adding a note that this is actually the title page of the novel); it wouldn't be totally misleading to give p. 3, though (and adding a note that this is the actual beginning of the text, with p. 1 being the title page): thus, in this case both would be allowed, I think: by adding notes all of a potential irritation would be avoided. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:20, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: As per [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Regular_Titles]]:<br />
::* Page - The number of the page on which the content begins. This is the number which is actually printed on the page of the publication, not the count of pages from the start.<br />
:: Based on the above, it should be "3". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:16, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Thanks for pointing that out! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:36, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Licensing question ==<br />
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I have an author image that I can upload to ISFDB under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 International or compatible license. Is our [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:Author_Image_Data Author Image Data] template compatible as in this reference: https://creativecommons.org/share-your-work/licensing-considerations/compatible-licenses? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:58, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:You should instead use [[:Template:Author Image Data-CC4]]. You can see the full list of author and other templates [[:Category:Image License Tags|here]]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:51, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Perfect, thank you. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:47, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Uploading images - Book covers ==<br />
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Dear ISFDB Help Desk,<br />
<br />
In regard to loading images of book covers to new entries, the "How to..." instructions were too obtuse for me. <br />
I am of the dark age when we were only just transitioning from slide rules to computers. If there is an ISFDB Help link with Step-By-Step guidance in adding images to a new entry (the equivalent of a grade school primer or "ISFDB for Dummies"), I would be greatly appreciative; and also appreciative of any direct help you wish to provide to correct my entry of today's date.<br />
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Respectfully,<br />
Bob<br />
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Robert B. Finegold, M.D. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Bob Finegold|Bob Finegold]] ([[User talk:Bob Finegold|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bob Finegold|contribs]]) .</small><br />
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:You can only add a cover scan to a new pub once the pub has been accepted. I have accepted your submission for {{P|951995|Fantastic Detectives}} and now the "Upload new cover scan" is present on its page. You used an Amazon image when creating the pub, which is fine. If you want to upload a local image you are welcome to. You would use the Semi-automated Procedure section under [[Help:How_to_upload_images_to_the_ISFDB_wiki#Semi-automated_Procedure|Help:How to upload images to the ISFDB wiki]]. If you questions on that, please let us know. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:50, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Adding a translation to an anthology ==<br />
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Hi, my apologies if this is an obvious question, but I wanted to be sure. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3165533 This title] was published simultaneously in English and in Portuguese, in two different e-books, by the same press. How exactly do I add the Portuguese version, considering they're not in the same e-book but they should be connected (like all the other translated titles usually are)? [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 11:45, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Hello, and welcome! <br />
: I have to admit there's a little bit of confusion involved: the entry for the publication states it is bilingual, while you do describe it as published in two different ebooks (!?) [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:11, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: In the first case, the Portuguese titles would have to be added to the anthology (analogous to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?352918 this anthology]), in case #2, a new (Portuguese) publication would have to be entered. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:15, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: I was the one who added it, and indeed the way I described originally was confusing, so I'll edit it later for clarity. Since it's case #2, do I simply add a new anthology and just mention it's connected to this one in the notes, so whoever approves it will do the merging? Or there's a way of creating an entry already connected to the English entry? [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 14:09, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Sorry, but no, there is no automated way to variant the titles: it has to be done afterwards title by title. And yes, a new anthology with Portuguese as set language is the way to add them. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 14:13, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: No problem, thank you for clarifying! I just edited the English version to remove the awkward wording, plus added the Portuguese version. [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 17:20, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Sturgeon - Godbody ==<br />
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There is only one Reg3 entry, #35184, for this 1986 title but two have been secondary verified; {{P|15623|this one}}, correctly, I think, and {{P|320715|this one}} not so. Advice please. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:32, 4 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:They are both legit copies, if you look on Abebooks there are lots of copies of the limited case bound.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 00:02, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: And the second one hasn't been Reg3 secondary verified. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 08:07, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Kraang, I think you misunderstood what I wrote; I wasn't questioning the legitimacy of the pubs, rather, the verification.<br />
:::Christian, do you not see that Bluesman secondary verified it on 2017-05-17?<br />
(Outdent)To clarify... for Reg3 ID# 35184, the following: "Godbody. New York: Donald I. Fine, 1986, 159 p., cloth (i.e. hc), novel." <br />
That entry refers <b>only</b> to {{P|15623|this pub}}, where the ID# has been entered under External IDs.<br />
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It does not refer to the {{P|320715|limited edition}}. If it did, it would be annotated, as it is for the Silverberg entry (for example) #33898 "Homefaring. Huntingdon Woods, MI: Phantasia Press, 1983, 102 p., cloth, novel. [Limited to 450 copies]". {{P|227965|See here}}.<br />
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The upshot of all this is that, simply, Bluesman's SV for the {{P|320715|limited edition}} should be marked N/A. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:31, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I disagree. For Reginald, I'll verify so long as Reginald accurately describes the edition. In this case, I think it would be fine to add the numbers and verifications to both these printings, i.e. Reginald could be describing either. For the Silverberg entry, there is only a limited edition so Reginald's note goes with the only edition. If Reginald, had noted a limitation for the Sturgeon, I would not have verified the trade edition. I'll also note that Reginald generally describes hard covers a cloth bound, and I would not add a Reginald verification to a leather bound edition in such an instance. If you do encounter a verification that is incorrect and was made by an inactive user, moderators do have the ability to remove verifications. I believe that I'm the only one who has used that feature. Hope that helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:28, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Got it. I had to state it baldly to get a definitive answer which I can take forward. Your comment "If Reginald, had noted a limitation for the Sturgeon, I would not have verified the trade edition." is what I would have followed. I suppose it all comes down to can a single Reginald entry be applied to more than one pub. Thanks for your help :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:49, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Starship's Mage canonical name ==<br />
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"Starship's Mage" by Glynn Stewart was originally released as five novella-length episodes named "Starship's Mage: Episode 1" thru "Starship's Mage: Episode 5" which I have just added. It was first published as a unified novel in December 2014 as "Starship's Mage: Omnibus" (and even though we don't normally include it, the title page and the publisher consider the Omnibus subtitle as part of the title). In 2018, the publisher retitled it as simply "Starship's Mage" with new cover art and a new copyright date. The current title record is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2036048 here]. I think that the existing title name is the more used one and that I should Unmerge the "Starship's Mage: Omnibus" pubs, merge them into one title, and then variant that title to the existing "Starship's Mage" title. That's straight forward but would leave the canonical title with the date of the "Starship's Mage: Omnibus" first publication. To handle that, I think I should add a note in the canonical title record about why that date was used so someone doesn't change it later. Is this the best way to handle this situation? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 09:25, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: The canonical title will carry the date of the earliest publication as a novel (and not as a serial) regardless if the title is used exactly. So if you make the later title the canonical, it will carry the "Starship's Mage: Omnibus" date. You do not need a note for that - it is how these are supposed to be dated and people don't usually change these (we usually have a problem with people dating variants, not canonicals). So add the missing Starship's Mage: Omnibus titles, rename/unmerge what is needed and connect them together. We can always fix things if something ends up weirdly. <br />
: Now... another option is just to ignore the "Omnibus" subtitle and just add it to the publication notes where that applies. We do not record "Collection" or "Short Stories" or "A Novel" as a subtitle and the editor can chose to treat omnibus the same way here. I'd go that way if I was editing this one but what you are proposing also makes sense and follows the rules. 17:51, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks. Changes implemented. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:10, 16 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Asian Literature Project "YOMU" website: anthology? webzine? not eligible? ==<br />
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Would the [https://asiawa.jpf.go.jp/en/culture/projects/p-yomu/ Asian Literature Project "YOMU"] from the Japan Foundation Asia Center be eligible for [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Included ISFDB inclusion] under "One time speculative fiction anthologies published on the Web"? If so, how would I submit it as a new publication? It's a multilingual anthology of both genre and non-genre short stories. Included are some genre short stories by authors already listed on ISFDB: [https://asiawa.jpf.go.jp/en/culture/features/f-yomu-indonesia-ziggy-zezsyazeoviennazabrizkie/ Open Tribunal] by [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?337646 Ziggy Zezsyazeoviennazabrizkie], [https://asiawa.jpf.go.jp/en/culture/features/f-yomu-indonesia-faisal-oddang/ On Sounds] by [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?284912 Faisal Oddang], [https://asiawa.jpf.go.jp/en/culture/features/f-yomu-malaysia-terence-toh/ Second Course] by [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?216637 Terence Toh], [https://asiawa.jpf.go.jp/en/culture/features/f-yomu-philippines-kristine-ong-muslim/ Degrees of Separation] by [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?115021 Kristine Ong Muslim], etc. The short stories are available for individual PDF download but there doesn't appear to be a comprehensive file for download collecting all the stories. [[User:Morebooks|Morebooks]] ([[User talk:Morebooks|talk]]) 17:47, 13 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Since each story is available "downloadable as electronic files" (PDFs of all three languages), I'd say they are eligible. I'd make the original language version the main title, and variant the English and Japanese translations to it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:22, 13 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks. What kind of publication should it be submitted as? And what should the "original" language of the overarching publication be, since it's a Japanese organization translating multiple languages into Japanese and English? [[User:Morebooks|Morebooks]] ([[User talk:Morebooks|talk]]) 20:29, 13 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Each story will need to be added as a chapbook (with a short story record inside), type ebook (PDF is a type of ebook) as this is what is eligible - the PDFs. Similar to how you add a Kindle book - except this one won't have an ASIN but a link to the file or the page with the file in its webpages field. So for [https://asiawa.jpf.go.jp/en/culture/features/f-yomu-indonesia-ziggy-zezsyazeoviennazabrizkie/ Open Tribunal], you will add 3 chapbooks (one in each language), each with their story inside and then make the Indonesian one parent for the other 3 (for the story and for the chapbooks). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:46, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: If each story is a separate chapbook (plus translations) named after that story, how should we indicate that each of the stories/chapbooks is part of a larger project (Asian Literature Project "YOMU")? Is Asian Literature Project "YOMU" listed as the publisher, or a Publication Series under publisher Japan Foundation? Or should the chapbooks have a shared title, like "Asian Literature Project "YOMU": Open Tribunal"? [[User:Morebooks|Morebooks]] ([[User talk:Morebooks|talk]]) 21:26, 20 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::: I’d use a pub series (just in case the same publisher has a different project later). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 22:14, 20 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== WSFA Small Press Award ==<br />
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(Moving the eligibility discussion to the Community Portal) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:17, 26 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Variant question ==<br />
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I'm looking at a split-image cover (call it 'C') comprising two works by the same artist. The art comes from two previously published, different titles (call them 'A' and 'B') with different first published dates. 'C' has yet another title, making three titles involved in all.<br />
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The 'C' cover art title needs to be varianted, because of the name change, but with two possible parents, how should I handle this? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:31, 20 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I think it should be handled the other way around: if there's the complete artwork published, it seems to be the obvious parent. Things like this do happen, albeit seldomly: but think about serializations for which the complete text is often published later. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:34, 20 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Only if it started as a single artwork though - if it started as 2 of them, making the combined image the parent is a bad idea IMO. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:15, 20 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Alternatively, you can incorporate those two (A and B) covers into the C publication (basically have two cover images). Just import them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:40, 20 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: I'd go for the double cover as well (not import though due to the different name). Either that or go for just notes. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:15, 20 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Obviously that should only be done if it is '''one''' piece of art (and not two just put side by side). There are, as an example cases, where there's wrap-around cover artwork, but both parts (the front & the back) were used separately as (front) cover illustrations. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:50, 21 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::It's hard to know for sure, though, unless we can get more specific than "cover A", "Cover B", and "Cover C". Can you point us to to the specific book we're talking about, Kev? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:04, 21 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::These are the Sheri S. Tepper books; the artist is James C. Christensen: <br />
::::::*{{P|24509|Northshore}}. I think there's a problem here with the subtitle being missing, but the art credit is clear.<br />
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::::::* {{P|31357|Southshore}}. Again, there may be a problem with the titling, but the art is signed.<br />
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::::::* {{P|35444|The Awakeners (split image)}} showing Northshore and Southshore images. The art is currently credited to Thomas Canty. I think that's in error, but I have a question in to [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Taweiss#Tepper_-_The_Awakeners Taweiss] asking for clarification.<br />
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::::::* {{P|241097|The Awakeners: Northshore & Southshore}}. With the Northshore image, this pub <i>appears</i> to be correctly titled and varianted.<br />
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:::::So, you can see I was pre-empting Taweiss's answer by posting this varianting question. Assuming that his reply resolves the credit to Christensen then I think "The Awakeners" (with the split image) will have to stand without a parent (not varianted) and with a note in its title page stating details of the two cover images it contains and perhaps a cautionary note about not varianting it and also not to merge it with the "The Awakeners: Northshore & Southshore" title. I appreciate your help here, thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 17:39, 21 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::: Yep - it seems like The Awakeners (split image) is just a combination of the other two and not a single picture that had been split for the rest. So notes (in all titles) will need to do. Think of it as an omnibus of 2 novels - the title record of these don't get really connected to the novels themselves - the contents page does that. Same thing here except that covers do not have contents - so notes are the best thing you can do (and I'd add them into both the mixed record and the single ones - so people can use them as breadcrumbs.<br />
:::::: Now... we do have some omnibuses which end up with more than one cover when the original books' covers are combined for their cover - people import them to show the connection as there is no other way... I am not sure how much that conforms to the rules at this point (I don't think it does technically) but it also helps figure out what is available where so practically, it makes sense. We probably really want to talk about it over in R&S and clarify that case - because we will see more and more of it with ebooks these days... and usability of the DB should always be the guiding principle IMO... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:26, 22 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wild Cards anthology credits - cover vs title page contradictions ==<br />
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I've just added the UK hc of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3188152 Pairing Up"], which comes out next month. I note that the cover says "Edited by George R. R. Martin / Assisted by Melinda M. Snodgrass"; however Kobo has [https://www.kobo.com/gb/en/ebook/pairing-up-wild-cards-1 a preview of the ebook], where the title page has the roles reversed i.e. "Edited by Melinda M. Snodgrass / Assisted by George R. R. Martin". Whilst this might be down to pre-release inaccuracies, I note that 2021's [https://www.kobo.com/gb/en/ebook/joker-moon-wild-cards Joker Moon] is the same, although in that case Snodgrass isn't mentioned on the cover at all.<br />
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(FWIW the US covers of these have "GRRM presents" on Pairing Up, and "Edited by GRRM" on Joker Moon.)<br />
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Am I right in thinking that per ISFDB rules, the title page credit should win over the cover, and Snodgrass should be the name in the author/editor field, in addition to GRRM? (I'm interpreting the 'Writers "with" other writers' bit near the bottom of [[Template:TitleFields:Author]] as indicating that he should be credited. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]])<br />
: The order does not really matter - both got credited on the UK edition cover and title page of Pairing Up. The US one is not that generous on the cover but I suspect it will repeat the title credit. At this point you have a few options:<br />
:* Update the credit for the UK edition, split the titles and make the one with the more authors the parent. <br />
:* Update both but put a watchPrePub on the US one so we can look at the title page when it is out<br />
:* Add watchPrePub on the UK one and wait for both to come out so we can sort out the editors. <br />
: There is a reason why we date our notes :) As for the older book - it is possible that noone looked at the title pages because they were not available at the time of adding and then noone fixed the records later. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:43, 21 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks. I get the impression that most or all of the recent (2010+?) Wild Cards anthologies may well be in a similar position - although a couple are already credited to both - so I'm not rushing to take responsibility for sorting out all of that ;-) For this upcoming one, I'll leave as-is, other than adding WatchPrePub, until pub date [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 17:05, 21 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Would not surprise me - these are a pain to figure out pre-publication and without the books (half of the time even figuring out which are anthologies and which are novels is not trivial with these without access to the book. Sooner or later a PV will actually look at the books - or so one hopes. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:10, 21 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Deleting Cover scan ==<br />
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I added a cover to the wrong issue (trying to replace an Amazon cover).<br />
The book was Iron Kissed HC by Ace (Publication Record # 364825)<br />
The scan is: https://isfdb.org/wiki/images/2/2e/RNKSSDMRCT2012.jpg<br />
How can this cover scan be deleted? {{unsigned|Stealth DBA}}<br />
: When that happens, post on the moderator board with a link with the web page of the image. In this case [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:RNKSSDMRCT2012.jpg this is the page] for your image. Then a moderator can delete it for you. I've removed it. <br />
: From practical standpoint, as long as you do not have a URL field pointing to the picture, the image is not displayed anywhere. It is good to delete it but it does not get linked into the pub automatically. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:36, 21 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Trying to to add author details ==<br />
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I'm trying to add details to Štěpán Zavřel {{A|365925}}. When I try to submit, I get this message "Error: Only moderators can edit canonical names." The field is grayed out for me and I'm not trying to edit it.--[[User:Auric|Auric]] ([[User talk:Auric|talk]]) 09:05, 1 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: There was something wrong with the canonical name. I have changed it and things should be back to normal. Could you please give it another try and see if it works? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:57, 1 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: It's gone through. Thanks.--[[User:Auric|Auric]] ([[User talk:Auric|talk]]) 14:37, 1 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Publication date for 19th century poem "Демон"? ==<br />
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I'm planning to variant [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3206108 this 1918 poem "The Demon"] as an English translation of the 19th century Russian poem "Демон" by Mikhail Lermontov / Михаила Лермонтова. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon_(poem) English Wikipedia page], [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%94%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%BD_(%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%8D%D0%BC%D0%B0) Russian WP page] <br />
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What should I put as the publication date of the Russian version of "Демон"? Going off the google-translated Russian Wikipedia page, there is debate about what is considered the "official" publication date of the poem, and there are at least 8 different author's versions of the poem. And the 1918 English translation that I'm varianting makes no mention of which version of the Russian poem was translated. [[User:Morebooks|Morebooks]] ([[User talk:Morebooks|talk]]) 18:44, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Technically 1856 is the first complete edition so this is what I would use, with a note that excerpts of it were published in 1842. Fantlab and most bibliographies use [https://fantlab.ru/work238556 1842] though so either works - as long as the note explains the dating and has the other date as well.<br />
: PS: Михаил Лермонтов and not Михаила Лермонтова -- Михаила Лермонтова means "by/of Михаил Лермонтов". [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:09, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Off-topic: Thanks for bringing back a very old memory. I still have my "Declensions of nouns and adjectives" cheat sheet somewhere in my Russian books.... :) --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:09, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Some of those things make no sense whatsoever -- especially around prepositions. :) This one is straight-forward (and most of the ones you need to untangle while cataloging usually are). Some make me scratch my head for a bit when I see them in a book :)<br />
::: PS: I probably should have said "in this sentence" - the name Михаила Лермонтова can exist on its own of course but not in the sentence it is used in the Wiki:) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:29, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Merging question ==<br />
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Hi ! <br />
I just added a book here : https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5716151 <br />
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This book contains only one text, which already has its page here : https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1812614 <br />
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I didn't find how to merge, I need a little help, then...<br />
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Also, the submission page says the cover can't be fetched from the website... Well it can be fetched here too : https://nouveautes-editeurs.bnf.fr/accueil?id_declaration=10000000896092&annonceCarrousel=true&titre_livre=Un_robot_po%C3%A8te_ne_nous_fait_pas_peur <br />
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[[User:Jean-no|Jean-no]] ([[User talk:Jean-no|talk]]) 10:21, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
: This actually is going to be a bit complicated. Non-fiction and essays are not mergeable or combinable so you have two options here:<br />
:* Use notes to make the connection<br />
:* Once the book is approved, import the essay -- treating the NON-FICTION book as a container for the essay. While a bit unortodox, that actually solves the issue nicely enough.<br />
: About the covers - we can only allow direct links to sites that had allowed us to link to them. Any other cover - you can upload directly after the book is created or you can find it in a place where we can link to. :) <br />
: Let me know if I can assist further. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:33, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thank you ! [[User:Jean-no|Jean-no]] ([[User talk:Jean-no|talk]]) 13:46, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Anytime. And welcome to the project :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:17, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Combine Author Records? ==<br />
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Good Day!<br />
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Please forgive me if I am posting in the wrong place, or if my request is out of line. My name is Kelly A. Harmon. There is a record here which is about me: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?344512. It is missing my middle initial, so it is not connected to my (actual) full listing (located here: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?125876). You can see my initial in the TOC of the book in question on Amazon here: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?125876.<br />
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I'm not certain of your protocol, but my preference would be for the non-initial listing to disappear and the information be listed on my accurate entry, if possible. <br />
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Thank you for your time and your assistance. If there's anything I can do to help, please let me know.<br />
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Kindest regards,<br />
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Kelly A. Harmon {{Unsigned2|07:22, July 14, 2023|Kellyaharmon}}<br />
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: The error has been corrected. Thanks for bringing it to our attention. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 07:38, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Thank you for your help! [[User:Kellyaharmon|Kellyaharmon]] ([[User talk:Kellyaharmon|talk]]) 18:58, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Template problem ==<br />
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Does anyone know how to make this[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3124523] publication template work? I've followed the template example, but it keeps coming back as unrecognized. Used this wiki page[https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:List_of_ISFDB_Templates]. Thank.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:34, 20 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The linked list includes templates which work on Wiki pages. It's different from the list of database templates, which can be found on [[Help:Using Templates and HTML in Note Fields]]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 00:04, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I see it does not include publications or titles, to bad. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 07:10, 21 July 2023 (EDT)</div>
Kraang
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== Twentieth Century Discovery ==<br />
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This Isaac Asimov nonfiction title https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?25684 appears when I type in the specific title, but it does not appear on Asimov's bibliography page. It should be in nonfiction in the year 1969, but it is not. At least, I cannot find it. Can anyone help me? [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 01:42, 2 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Well it's there when I take a look at his summary page, after [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1450072 The Shaping of England] and before [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?909759 Asimov's Guide to Shakespeare, Volume One]. Maybe you looked by accident into the department 'Nonfiction Series' or 'Essays'? His bibliography '''is''' rather longish. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 05:23, 2 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks for checking for me. I was looking at non-genre titles at the bottom of the page. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 10:16, 2 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Canonical name incorrect ==<br />
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Forrest Ackerman's "canonical name" https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editauth.cgi?119 is incorrect. It has a period after the J. and Ackerman was very insistent throughout his life that his middle initial did NOT have a period. It should be "Forrest J Ackerman." It does have a period in LCNAF but that's because a name entry in LC must end with one of the following punctuation marks: . ) - " Same as, when writing, we end a sentence with a period -- the period is not part of or attached to the last word, it's just there as an end-indication. Thanks! {{Unsigned2|10:43, January 6, 2023|Delphi Psmith}}.<br />
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: Thanks for pointing out this problem and welcome to the project!<br />
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: There are a couple of different issues here. First, as per the [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#How_does_the_ISFDB_deal_with_author_name_changes.3F ISFDB FAQ], we enter author names "the way they appear on the publication's title page". We then set up "the most recognized name for the author within the SF genre" as his or her "canonical name" and all other names as "alternate names".<br />
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: Second, originally (1995-ca.2010) we always entered a period after initials. The idea was that a missing initial was just a typographical convention, similar to how some magazines used lowercase forms of authors' names, e.g. "robert a heinlein". It wasn't until later that we were reminded that some authors do not use periods after initial on purpose or have single-letter middle names as in the case of {{A|Steven H Silver}}. We now have {{A|Steven H. Silver}} -- which has been used by some publishers -- set up as an alternate name for {{A|Steven H Silver}}. We also have a number of authors whose canonical names use "merged" initials, e.g. "{{A|CJ Cooke}}, which is how their works are published.<br />
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: In the case of Forrest J Ackerman, it would appear that most of his works were published without a period after the "J", but only [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?START=0&TYPE=Title&USE_1=author_canonical&O_1=exact&TERM_1=Forrest%20J%20Ackerman&ORDERBY=title_title&C=AND 30ish of our records] are entered that way. I am going to ask the primary verifiers of the publications where his works appeared to double check them. Once the records have been corrected, we'll revisit the canonical name issue.<br />
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: Thanks again! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:50, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Date error dialogue ==<br />
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I'm trying to clone a 2011 pub to enter my 12th print of same with date as 0000-00-00. Pressing the 'Clone Pub' button to finish the process brings up a dialogue "Date must be in YYYY, YYYY-MM or YYYY-MM-DD format, 0000-00-00 means "Unknown",.....etc". I've not seen this before and I can't get past it. What's the problem? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 08:53, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Could you please clarify whether you entered "0000-00-00" in the "Publication Metadata" section or in the "Content Section"? Also, which publication was it? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:50, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Cloning [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?347660 this pub] to 0000-00-00 in the "Publication Metadata" section.--[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 09:56, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Thanks for clarifying. After pulling it up and using the "Clone" option, I entered "0000-00-00" in the "Date" field and clicked "Clone Pub". The submission went through -- [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5535120 here is the result]. I wonder what was different on your side. Did you, perchance, only change the first 4 characters in the date field, resulting in a "0000-05-00" value? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:02, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: Mmmm. I entered the full 0000-00-00. I'll close my browser and then try again. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:05, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::: That's strange. Didn't close browser, went back to China's summary page and clicked through to the 2011 title and entered everything the same again. It [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5535127 went through] ok. Thanks for your time. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:16, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::: No worries, glad it worked out. It's entirely possible that there is an obscure bug lurking in the ISFDB code and that it is only triggered under rare circumstances. Unfortunately, they can be hard to replicate... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:22, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ryman - Air (or, Have Not Have) ==<br />
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Looking at this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?23340 title page], it seems to me that all the just plain "Air" titles should be varianted to the full, earlier 2004-09-00 St. Martin's Griffin title "Air (or, Have Not Have)". Would that be correct? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 00:56, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:The two ''Air (or, Have Not Have)'' pubs should be unmerged and the old & new records varianted to each other. However, I would use ''Air'' as the parent as it is the most common and we base canonical titles on the most used title, not the first title. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:36, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for your help. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 03:17, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Lost Dorsai audiobook & MP3 CD ==<br />
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In preparing to add the audiobook & MP3 CD for "Lost Dorsai", I found that the descriptions on Amazon and Audible only mention the novella title [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?41195 here]. Since the existing pubs are all collections that contain "Lost Dorsai" and additional stories, it seems to me that the best way to add the audiobook & MP3 CD would be to first create an chapbook and then merge the novella title created from that into the existing novella title [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?41195 here]. I could then add pubs to it for the audiobook and MP3 CD. Is there a better way to do this? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 09:52, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: Yep - either create an empty chapbook and then import the novella (with a note for the handling moderator on why you do not have a short fiction record) or create the chapbook with the novella and then merge. Both are 2 steps so either way works. Then clone from the chapbook for the rest of the formats. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:18, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== I, Robot -- merge question ==<br />
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How do I merge [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3130691 I, Robot (new)] into [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?517325 I, Robot (good)]? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:23, 16 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: Go to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?2617 Eando Binder] and select 'Check for Duplicate Titles' from the 'Editing Tools:' menu. You will see the title pair you want to merge. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:37, 16 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Ahhh. I assumed that it would only merge titles showing on that page. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 19:06, 16 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::: When you cannot find an author/publication where to merge from (usually due to typos), you can also use Advanced search to find the two titles and bring them on a merge-able screen. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:23, 17 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== "The Wooden Ham" (Fantastic Adventures, December 1943) ==<br />
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In the SFE entry on [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/house_names House Names], it says, "It is believed that Leroy Yerxa wrote almost the entire [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?58085 December 1943 issue of Fantastic Adventures] with stories under house names except for one, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?17187 Morris J Steele], which was usually the pen name of Raymond A Palmer himself but was here used by [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?1158 Berkeley Livingston]." In that issue, "The Wooden Ham" is the only story by "Morris J. Steele," but it's varianted to Leroy Yerxa. Should the primary author be changed to Berkeley Livingstone? —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 02:27, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Philip K. Dick's Electric Dreams: Volume One - info wanted ==<br />
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This is a call for help with unverified pubs for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2275857 this title]. Please refer to [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Stonecreek#Philip_K._Dick.27s_Electric_Dreams%3A_Volume_One Stonecreek's page] for what I'm trying to do.<br />
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If anyone has a copy of an unverified pub, any info would be welcome. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:08, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Fifth Time Out - Author tweak ==<br />
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When PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?95470 Terra SF: ...] I found that the author is given on both the inline page and the TOC is given with a ring A (Mårtensson). The Canadian edition also is entered with Martensson, but the only PV is inactive. I strong suspect that both the U.S. and Canadian editions are the same in this respect. Thoughts? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 22:29, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:That seems like a reasonable assumption. In the absence of an available verifier, I would change it and add a note to the Canadian edition that the lettering in the credit was originally recorded as "a" but was changed to "å" as seen in the U.S. edition and has not been (re)verified as of this date. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:23, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Trying to figure out the best approach. Should I just edit the title record and add notes to the publication? Or add new titles to the publication, remove the old ones, and merge (?) afterwords? Or some other non-obvious way, at least to me? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:49, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: As the title is only used in this book and the title is not a parent, just change the title record author and update the notes on the publication and you are all set. If there were other books where the current record had to remain as is, you would have needed to either unmerge and change the title (and variant the new title back under the parent) OR add title/remove title/variant again. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:10, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Collections with Abridged or Expanded Contents ==<br />
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What is the correct way to record collections with abridged or expanded contents? I have come across examples that seem to me to be recorded inconsistently.<br />
<br>1) Sturgeon: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1380 A Way Home - hc] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1381 A Way Home - pb]. The pb is abridged (two stories cut). These two pubs have two different title records which are not varianted and have "Do Not Merge" notes.<br />
<br>2) Sturgeon: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1300 A Touch of Strange - hc] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128351 A Touch of Strange - pb]. The pb is abridged (two stories cut). These two pubs have the same title record.<br />
<br>3) Butler: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?5015 Bloodchild and Other Stories - hc] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?267811 Bloodchild and Other Stories, Second Edition - tp]. The tp is expanded (two additional stories). These two pubs have two different title records which are varianted.<br />
<br>[[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:37, 21 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:It seems that there are different approaches to that problem: I'm in favor of having same-titled collections that are expanded (or abridged) for new editions to be subsumed under one entry title, and add an explaining note to the title record. Only when the contents are exchanged for a great part, I would add a new record. In my opinion that does help to have the author summary pages aren't overloaded. <br />
:This way also the translations of collections (which also often have additional or omitted pieces) are handled more easily. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:53, 22 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Advance Reader Copy ==<br />
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I have an ARC that Amazon gives the mass-market release date as 2021-06-17. On the spine is "June 2021". Back cover has ISBN (same as Amazon's) '3rd June 2021' '£9.99' 'Advance Reader Copy - Not For Resale'. I gather that ARCs are generally released 3-6 months in advance. I can't find anything in the Help, so how should I enter the date? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:51, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Since found two conversations from 2012 [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Proposed_Design_Changes#ARCs ARCs] and [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive11#e-ARCs_redux e-ARCs redux]. What is the current policy? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:28, 25 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::As far as can recall, nothing ever changed, and they are still "out". I found even more:<br />
::* [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive06#ARC_first_printing.2C_in_or_out.3F ARC first printing, in or out?]<br />
::* [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive06#Baen.27s_.22e-arcs.22:_IN_or_OUT Baen's "e-arcs": IN or OUT]<br />
::* [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive10#Advance_Review.2FReaders_Copies Advance Review/Readers Copies]<br />
::* [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive19#Early_releases_from_Baen_and_Patreon Early releases from Baen and Patreon]<br />
::* [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk/archives/archive_19#Uncorrected_Book_Proofs_and_Advanced_Reader_copies Uncorrected Book Proofs and Advance Reader copies]<br />
::They all boil down to a desire to record ARCs running up against general policy (which I cannot find) that ARCs are not something the ISFDB records. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:39, 25 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Thanks for your search Marty...interesting reading. I'll just say that I don't have an opinion on whether ARCs are in the db or not.<br />
:::The point remains that there is no ARC guidance in the Help.<br />
:::As far back as 2008, MHHutchins refers to ISFDB Policy and no-one calls him on it, so there must have been one - but where is it? Also, do we know whether consensus opinion has moved on in the intervening years? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 14:21, 25 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::I don't know that it has. If you have the desire and energy, you could open a new topic on [[Rules_and_standards_discussions|Rules and standards discussions]] and see if anything definitive comes of it. Maybe we'd at least get an agreement on something specific to put into the acquisition policy. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:59, 26 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::Done :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 09:23, 26 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Unused cover image to be deleted ==<br />
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I mistakenly entered [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THGRTWHTMT2012.jpg this] as the cover image for a 2012 Project Gutenberg of Australia edition and then realized it's actually the cover for the 2018 "most recent update." (It's taken from the cover for the new 2018 Roy Glashan's Library edition.) I deleted the image from the 2012 entry and created a new image file for the 2018 PGA publication I'd just added. So this image should be deleted lest someone seeing "There are no usages of this file" adds it back to the 2012 publication, which probably had no cover at all. [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 10:11, 25 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Deleted. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:58, 26 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks! [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 23:09, 26 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Incorrect information ==<br />
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Hello,<br />
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I'm James Bennett, a British Fantasy and Horror writer. I have a page on the SF database, but there is wrongly listed information. Please can you advise me how to change and update this. <br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?141156&fbclid=IwAR3cLjmEWLqxAV1qsfpTrUwS5E07mGZX6oV4W6g7XDdq4VD19rH3HkSgDTU<br />
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Thanks in advance, James Bennett {{Unsigned2|06:30, February 2, 2023|James Bennett}}<br />
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: Hello, and welcome to our little database! <br />
: With your problem we have to know what is wrong with your summary page: is there a title spelled wrongly, is there something missing, or are tiles listed that don't belong there? Upon this the possible solution depends. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 14:11, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: Upon looking at it more closely I do suspect that the artwork may not be kosher, is that right? (The software doesn't know how to tell apart two different persons with the same name, we have to differentiate them by hand). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 14:14, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: That's right. The following works have not been created by me: <br />
::* Novels - The Tithe of Esra'Nell (2017)<br />
::: Author attribution corrected to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?358476 James S. Bennett].<br />
::* Cover Art: Quest for Faith (2003), Viking Pride (2003), Land of the Dead (2003), Hammer of the Gods (2003), The House That George Built (2011)<br />
::: Disambiguated as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?358477 James Bennett (artist)]<br />
::* Interior Art: Dream: A Tale of Wonder, Wisdom & Wishes (2004), The House That George Built (2009), Star Wars Visions: The Cantina (2010)<br />
::: Disambiguated as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?358477 James Bennett (artist)]<br />
:: And I would like to ADD the following if I may:<br />
::* Short stories: <ul><br />
:::<li>End Times in Paris - The Fox Spirit Book of Love (2021)<br />
:::<li>Morta - The Book of Queer Saints (2022)<br />
:::<li>Husk - There's More of Us Than You Know anthology (2022)<br />
:::<li>The Cicatrix - Tales From Between (2023)<br />
:::<li>Facts Concerning the First Annual Arkham Parade - Occult Detective Magazine (2023)<br />
:::<li>A Devilment - Raunch anthology (2023) </ul><br />
:::* Essays: A Rainbow at Night: Reappraising the ‘Bury Your Gays’ trope - The Ginger Nuts of Horror (2022)<br />
:::* Novellas: The Dust of the Red Rose Knight - BOTH Press (2023) <br />
::: Thanks so much for your help! {{Unsigned2|10:46, February 3, 2023| James Bennett}}<br />
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::: I've corrected the author attribution for the titles which should not have been attributed to you. (see inline above). The database is publication driven. To add titles to your author summary page, you enter the publications in which they appear. Give it a try, the reviewing moderator will help you with any problems. Please sign all your posts using four tildes <nowiki>(~~~~)</nowiki>. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:31, 3 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::I added cover artist (Kyle de Silva) to Tithe... using Amazon, they have no other credits on ISFDB, seems odd to me for such a professional cover, probably more out there. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:34, 3 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Dante's Inferno ==<br />
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Hi. I have purchased an ebook version of Mark Musa's translation of Dante's Inferno (ISBN 9780253012401) which I wanted to add. The translation sections, the main body of the book, are clearly very similar to {{P|444379}}, but are ordered in a different way. The paperback has Canto I prose, verse, notes, Canto II prose, verse, notes, etc. The ebook has Canto I..XXXIV prose, Canto I verse, notes, Canto II verse, notes, ….<br />
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At first glance, the various bits appear to be the same, just in a different order. Should I include title {{T|1717942}} in the ebook or should I create a new variant of {{T|1640580}}?<br />
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:If the pieces are just ordered differently you just can clone the existing publication and order the pieces by piping the pages ('|1', '|2', '|3', and so on). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 14:17, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Sorry, I should have been more clear. The title {{T|1717942}} includes 34x3 pieces. There are not 34x3 existing titles. While creating 34x3 titles, one for each of the 34 Cantos prose, verse and notes pieces would be a solution, I'm not sure it's optimal. Actually, we could get away with 34x2 pieces (one for each of the 34 Cantos prose and one for each of the 34 Cantos verse+notes), but it's not much better.--[[User:AliHarlow|AliHarlow]] ([[User talk:AliHarlow|talk]]) 15:54, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: If both use Musa's translation then use the same title record. Do not create fictitious titles. If you wish to elaborate on the layout, do so in the publication notes. Use clone or add pub depending on how many titles from the tp appear in the ebook. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:19, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Glukhovsky - The World of Metro 2034 ==<br />
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This translated shortfiction title only exists in the pub under the title page [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3137195 Metro 2034].<br />
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Looking at the translation help page / step 2 / option 2, my problem is that the title doesn't exist on the db in Russian (it would have been in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1290525 2009 original edition]. Can someone give me the Russian title? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:06, 4 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I have found the first pages of the Russian original and of the Gollancz translation on the net. "The World of Metro 2034" is a translation of "Пролог" ("Prologue") in the Russian edition. Note that the Russian edition also contains a one-page "Annotation", which is basically an abridged and slightly modified version of the prologue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:46, 4 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Thanks for looking that up. Just to be clear... should I make the canonical title just "Пролог"? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:05, 4 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: I would suggest disambiguating it by appending "(Метро 2034)" to the end of the title. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:24, 4 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::Perfect! Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:35, 4 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Asimov - The Gods Themselves ==<br />
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Quandry. I have the Panther/Granada [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?817936 1978 print]. All the details there are correct - except the cover image (mine has no flash over the ship) and the OCLC/WorldCat: 614700011 (it should be 715472480). IanPercival cloned Don Erikson's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?205269 1976 print], including the link to his cover image. What would be the best way to treat this? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:54, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:In general, you should fix the bits of the record that are wrong. (1) There is no OCLC/WorldCat verifier, so delete the incorrect OCLC reference, add the correct one, and make yourself OCLC/WorldCat verifier. (2) If you can scan your cover, do that and replace the image. You could also try to find an appropriate image on the web somewhere and link it or download/upload it, in place of doing your own scan. If you can't do either of those, then since the difference is relatively minor and the existing image is still helpful in identifying the book, I recommend keeping the cover and adding a note about the discrepancies between the image on the record and the image on your book. Whichever path you take here, make yourself a primary verifier. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:59, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for that fulsome answer Marty. Perfect. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 13:26, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== variant cover image ==<br />
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Hello, I have tried to variant this {{T|3146452|cover}}. Is it correct or the other way around? Many thanks [[User:Henna|Henna]] ([[User talk:Henna|talk]]) 16:54, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:I think it should be the other way around. Since ''Der Drache'' came first, and we have decided "Enric" is the artist's canonical name, {{T|3146453|this (3146453)}} should be the parent, and the other three should be made variants of that. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:11, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Hello Marty, please take a look. Is it OK? Thanks again [[User:Henna|Henna]] ([[User talk:Henna|talk]]) 06:52, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::Yes, that looks right to me. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 09:18, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Uploaded cover image - what next? ==<br />
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I uploaded a cover image for a book edition that exists, but doesn't have a cover image. I can't find any information anywhere about what do do next to have it moved to the database. I've been trawling through the wiki a couple of times looking for beginners instructions but can't find anything. I have uploaded the file and it's sitting in the uploaded files area. It's been there 2 weeks. Is it a time thing? Do new images only get updated monthly or something? A general Faq about the end to end process of getting an image into the database would be useful. {{Unsigned2|06:32, February 21, 2023|JRBleckly}}<br />
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: You needed to edit the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?FORTRESS1993 publication record] entering the image link in the 'Image URL:' field. [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_upload_images_to_the_ISFDB_wiki Here] is the applicable help section. The link is also in the welcome message I just posted on your talk page. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:31, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Unrelated post moved to [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:JRBleckly#Author_attribution User talk:JRBleckly Author attribution]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:23, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== genre? ==<br />
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Would a story where alive is not dead bur is living under assumed identity be considered SF? Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 11:19, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: Nope. Nothing speculative or supernatural in this. It won't be ours even if the main character "dies" in front of other characters by being injected by something that allows a doctor to pronounce them dead and then "revives". If you share a specific book, there may be something that makes it ours but just being considered dead while living elsewhere/as someone else is a thriller trope, not one of ours. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:41, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Yeah, that's what I was thinking. thanks [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 22:46, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Asimov - Foundation & Empire variant ==<br />
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Since submitting this {{P|935156|26th printing}} I've been changing the publication (approved) and prologue (pending) titles of two other pubs with Gambino's artwork; {{P|14452|1994-03-00}} and {{P|559685|1996-00-00}}. Now all that's needed is a merge for the three, but I've hit the buffers.<br />
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Gambino's titles {{T|1375932|are here}} and at the moment the date is 1994-03-00.<br />
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If I merge the other two with my copy, the variant option is there but which date to chose? I can find no reference to a 1994-03-00 date. Locus1 gives "Foundation and Empire (HarperCollins UK 0-586-01355-5, May ’94 [Jun ’94], £4.99, 240pp, pb" and Locus has no title entry for Gambino under cover artists.<br />
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My copy states it's a 1996 edition and so does the {{P|559685|1996-00-00}} entry. The {{P|14452|1994-03-00}} pub shows quite a chequered edit history. Suggestions please. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 06:49, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
: As long as the 1994-03-00 publication is in there, the coverart title will carry its date. So the question really is - is that 1994 book really carrying this cover and is there a 1994 book? <br />
: The cover angle may be the easier to tackle: The credit is based on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?329616 this] book which happens to have a lot of PVs, 2 of them very active. So hit them with the task to go and check in the book what exactly the credit in there is - is it for the art only or is that edition called specifically. Then we will be down to either our DB error (which we can talk about), an error in this book (which happens and we can document) or a confirmation of a 1994 cover). It is possible that because it is UK, the US dates are a bit muddled but... my guess is that we are in either door 1 or 2. But let's start with what that book actually credited. <br />
: Meanwhile, start looking at OCLC, Goodreads, auctions and other online venues for that UK edition and see if the date is confirmable somewhere and if the cover for it can be verified to be this one. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:42, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks Annie for your time looking at this. I did spend a long while searching online but couldn't find a 1994-03-00 reference anywhere, but I'll try again. Meanwhile, yes, I'll find out what's in that book. One step at a time :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::As Mavmaramis [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Mavmaramis#Fred_Gambino_re:_Asimov.27s_-_Foundation_.26_Empire_variant] noted, Fred Gambino did a single painting for the six Foundation books (on two panels). The full painting can be seen [https://www.fredgambino.co.uk/traditional?pgid=jrwcbp9g-5af53fa1-6157-4704-b99b-64cf4f33894c here]. The reproduction in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?329616 Ground Zero] has the following note: 'Foundation series over (left panel)/(right panel) over Isaac Asimov over HarperCollins UK over Acrylic'. I.m.o. that means the illustrations were first used on the HarperCollins UK editions. We have five of these dated in 1994 (see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisheryear.cgi?5+1994 here]). I think [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29418 this] is the sixth, and should be dated 1994-03-00. Unfortunately the edits were done by user BarDenis, who hasn't been active since september 2013. Just my 2c. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 15:52, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::The [http://www.locusmag.com/index/b26.htm Locus] entry goes on to state ''...[Foundation] Reissue (Gnome 1953) SF novel; '''<u>28th printing</u>'''. The Third Volume in the "Foundation" saga.'', which happens to match the printing cited in that undated record. So maybe that one should be dated 1994-05-00. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 16:14, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::Nice find Marty. I agree, and it's redated. There's still no sign of a source for the F & E 1994-03-00 date so I'll revert to the artist for clarification.<br />
:::::Thanks to Willem and Mavmaramis for trying! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:01, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Introrse: The King's Whisper ==<br />
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I ran across a copy of this book and have two problems. The first is that the book seems to be quite obscure. ISFDB has no record of it or the author R. H. Martin. Anything I can find about him leads to a cult-ish, clique-ish pages and a member sign-in. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32263580-introrse Goodreads] covers a paperback edition and a Kindle edition with ISBNs and [https://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=22455110830&searchurl=isbn%3D9781521062470 Abebooks UK] and [https://www.amazon.ca/Introrse-Whisper-Randy-H-Martin/dp/1521062471 Amazon] seem to have copies for sale. It is the second in a series and the first exists in the OCLC, but not the second. I figure that I could use these to create entries, but that's the easy part. The copy I have is hard-bound. It has no publication information whatsoever. Page 1 is blank, page 3 is the start of the 'story' and it ends on the last page. I've not read the book, but it is sprinkled with diary excerpts dated 3050 and talks about the world of Schwa and the planet Hytrae, so is probably eligible. No copyright, no printing info, no page numbers. The first blank page has the inscription "Thanks for everything R. H. Martin". 8 1/2" by 11" pages. The title and author in gold leaf on cover and spine. Spine also has the word Sharp. Is this even a 'published' book? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:31, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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: You probable already found these, but he has a [https://www.facebook.com/people/Randy-H-Martin/100063544988504/ Facebook] page and a [https://www.randyhmartin.com/ website]. Both list the same email address. You could try to ask him about it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:07, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: I will try, but my question(s) remain - makes it a 'published' book under the revised criteria? What questions do I need to ask? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 11:19, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::Well, you would explain what you have and ask what he can tell you about it. Given a hard cover, it seems unlikely to be an ARC. Given the existence of Kindle and paperback editions, it seems likely to be part of some sort of publication run. Assuming he knows what it is, he should be able to tell you when it was issued, its nature, who produced it, how many copies, etc. That should help you figure out if it's "published" in the sense that the ISFDB cares about. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:46, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::::https://openlibrary.org/books/OL40850422M/Introrse. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:01, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Hyde & Wintz - Précieuses reliques: Precious Artifacts 3 ==<br />
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I've submitted [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5601198 this] and I think there are problems with it. I've entered the titles as they they appear in the book.<br />
*What are the titling issues here?<br />
*How do I treat the (back and forth) translations (if at all) - they're published simultaneously?<br />
:Btw, I'm aware of the titles transliteration and author name varianting needing to be done.<br />
Advice please. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 14:10, 7 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Some suggestions (others may disagree, so don't rush off to implement):<br />
:# I would be inclined to make the main title be the French, then the English: <pre>Précieuses reliques: Une bibliographie de Philip K. Dick / Precious Artifacts 3: A Philip K. Dick Bibliography</pre> and document the presentation on the title page in the notes, as you have done.<br />
:# You should be able to keep the contents you have, and then for the ones where there's a full essay and its translation, I am pretty sure once accepted you can make the translation a variant of the original, even with both appearing in the same publication. If which is the original is unclear, going with the French one seems best to me -- it sounds like 60% (or more) French, 40% (or less) English.<br />
:# You should add disambiguation to "Préface", "Forward", and "Index des Noms".<br />
: Nothing else leapt out at me. Very comprehensive notes! --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 19:19, 7 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::Elegant solutions to all the questions I had about this. Thanks Marty! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:31, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Interior art variants ==<br />
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I've entered an omnibus where the author's name has dropped an initial, generating variant titles. This has reproduced the interior illustrations of the original. In the original, the illustrations were added individually to the contents using the [n] index. Given that the order of the illustrations doesn't match, I prefer to enter them as a single entry for each novel. I believe I should date both to the omnibus publication date, but would like to variant them to the original entries. However, I could date them to the original and variant the individual interior art titles mine. Aside from this date clean-up, the whole shebang starts [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?939442 here]. N.B. If you follow links, you can see there are only about 6 or 7 illustrations, and I do have access to the original and could match illustrations up and re-use/import the titles. Let's assume there were dozens, or I didn't have access, as opposed to, say, not liking the idea of delineating illustrations in the first place without including the actual artwork. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 16:53, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::We do not variant records for individual artwork to records for combined artworks (or vice versa). You should only variant if they are records for the same artwork (individual to individual or combined to combined). If you choose to use a combined record where the original used individual, then you should add a title note explaining that and you can link to the original records in the title note, but not create variants. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:42, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Hi! I've one remark: if there's reason to believe the illustrations were published with the original novel publications they should be dated to that appearance (and have notes added why they don't show up with them). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:57, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Variants are dated at the first publication of the variant. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:42, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== UK price in Guineas ==<br />
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I've encountered a 1901 publication with the price listed in BLIC as "3 gns" i.e. 3 Guineas. I entered it as it appears the the catalog, which caused a yellow warning. Should we enter as "gns 30", or should it be recalculated into shillings as "63/-"? Thoughts. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:40, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Considering that it is always a set rate, I'd add it as 63/- and add a note that BLIC credited in guineas. It is unclear what the book used but considering that most of our books are considerably under a Guinea, that may be just a convention of recording - either in BLIC or on the books when the value is so high (kinda like books used 50c or 50p until they came closer to the dollar but in reverse... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:20, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::The edition priced at 3 Guineas, was printed on vellum and limited to 15 copies, as opposed to the edition printed on paper for 15/- and limited to 300. The [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinea_(coin)#Twentieth_century_onwards Wikiepdia article] on the currency states that in the 20th century, "The guinea had an aristocratic overtone, so professional fees, and prices of land, horses, art, bespoke tailoring, furniture, white goods and other "luxury" items were often quoted in guineas until a couple of years after decimalisation in 1971". Both prices are from BLIC and given that the prices are quoted differently, I'm guessing that the vellum edition was sold as a luxury item. Regardless, I can convert the price to shillings. I already had added a note explaining the abbreviation and its source and value in shillings. I'll adjust accordingly. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:27, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: I suspect that you are right and the guineas price was a convention in high-end goods. If we expect to have a lot of books like that, we can always add the currency but... the UK prices are already complicated as it is, adding a new wrinkle for a book or 3 will be an overkill. I don't really have a strong opinion though so if everyone else disagrees, I won't oppose adding it. I just don't see it being helpful. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:58, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: PS: If we decide to go with a note and conversion, I think we should add that to the help page so people know how to convert and record if they see a price in guineas - the same way we have notes on how to record prices in p for example. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:03, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== John Howard ==<br />
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Hi, This is John Howard (1961, ID 25485). Could a new author please be created so that the following entries can be attributed to him - they are not by me:<br />
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In Anthologies: Strange Tales (1976);<br />
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In Short Fiction: Grasshoppers (2010) / Spook (2010) / Mountain Man (2012) / The Judiciales (2012);<br />
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In Essays: The Great Wild West Writing Challenge (2014).<br />
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Thank you. All best, John <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:JohnHoward|JohnHoward]] ([[User talk:JohnHoward|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/JohnHoward|contribs]]) .</small> 07:18, 16 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Welcome to ISFDB, John. I'll work on this for you. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:41, 16 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Okay, this is all done. I split them into two additional authors/editors because I don't think the 1976 John Howard is the same as the 2010s John Howard. Please let us know if there are any others things that need fixing. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:54, 16 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Duplicate Cover Scan ==<br />
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Two pubs, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?923797 Mission Critical] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?876469 Insertion] have the same artwork on the cover, but differ in the printing. When I uploaded the cover for Mission Critical early this year, I mistakenly uploaded the cover for Insertion. Trying to correct my error, I deleted the cover art for Mission Critical and tried to upload the correct art. But I can't; I get a message telling me that the new upload is the same as the old one and cannot get the new version to upload. How do I fix this? [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] ([[User talk:Biomassbob|talk]]) 12:21, 19 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:If you look at [[:File:MSSNCRTCLP2023.jpg]], it did successfully upload. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:01, 19 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::No. That is the cover scan that prevents the loading of the one for Mission Critical. As I said, the artwork is identical, but the title and authors differ. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] ([[User talk:Biomassbob|talk]]) 20:23, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: You should be able to tell it to upload anyway despite the warnings. What is the exact error message you are seeing? The "This file is a duplicate of the following file" one or the "A file with this name exists already"? In either way, you should see the "Ignore warnings and save file anyway" button at the bottom. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 21:02, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::It says the file is a duplicate. I hit ignore warnings in the original upload to no effect, and when it shows a duplicate (which is NOT a duplicate), it only allows to reload, not to load anyhow. The problem is more complex that I originally thought. The pub is also in the data base uploaded from Amazon, so it's duplicated. Is the easiest solution to delete the copy I loaded, go to the Amazon copy and try uploading the cover scan? [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] ([[User talk:Biomassbob|talk]]) 16:35, 21 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::When I look at [[:File:MSSNCRTCLP2023.jpg]], the cover title is "Mission Critical" and the authors on the cover match this record {{P|923797}}. Try clearing your browser cache and revisiting the page. It is likely that your browser is just confused and is showing you its cached version of the old cover when the new one is already there (which is why you are getting a duplicate image error). --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:34, 21 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::: Bob, you also need to add it to the URL field -- the file seems to be in there - it is just not connected. Did you happen to miss that step by any chance? (just dotting i's and crossing t's here). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:42, 21 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Avoiding variant of a variant ==<br />
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I have a couple of questions leading on from this earlier thread [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Hyde_.26_Wintz_-_Pr.C3.A9cieuses_reliques:_Precious_Artifacts_3 Hyde & Wintz]. There are five essays which are translations of the French and I'm stuck now on how to proceed in making them variants of the canonical French titles.<br />
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Here's one example: This is the {{T|3156721|canonical French}} title and its {{T|3154169|variant French}} title. This is the {{T|3156720|canonical English translation}} and its {{T|3154168|variant English}} title.<br />
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So, the questions are, how do I go about this and could I have gone about it a better way? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 13:06, 19 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:As both authors are listed as English authors in ISFDB, for ISFDB purposes the English title is the canonical title and the French title is the translation. {{T|3156720}} would be the parent with both {{T|3154168}} and {{T|3154169}} varianted to it. {{T|3156721}} would be deleted. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:56, 19 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Just to clarify something in the general rules in case someone finds this later: how the author language is set is irrelevant for determining what is the canonical title. If the originals are created/written in French (aka the author wrote them in French originally), the French record becomes the parent no matter what language the author usually uses. If the translation is done via an intermediate language (Bulgarian translations of a Japanese novel done from the Russian translation for example), the middle language is only in the notes as we cannot have variant of variants. Same with revised translations, same translations under different title/author forms and so on. We have quite a few multi-lingual authors where that is important). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:59, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Thank you Annie for that clarification. That's what I was waiting for. I now have the solution to my original question. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:34, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: Just make sure in such cases to check that it is "written in French" and not "written for the French editions and translated by an unknown (or known) hand including the author's" or "first published in French". The latter two will have the English as the original as that was the original text). Art is... more complicated. So let's not talk about it here. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:45, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Two names for author on title page ==<br />
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The title page lists the title [over] "Written by: SilentBelle" [over] "AKA: Jake Degner". Neither name is in the database.<br />
The copyright page has "Cover Art is by: Sameasusual" followed by a weblink to a fuller image than what's on the cover. Sameasusual seems to be a userid on an art site. <br />
How do I list these 'authors'? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:02, 24 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: We do follow the 'Written by' statement, so it'd be SilentBelle as author (like in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35474 this example]: "Stephen King writing as Richard Bachman"). For the artwork we ususally also follow the credit (with the possible exceptions of obvious misspellings or -credits). Hope that helps! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 05:59, 25 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: AND add notes that author is 'also known as Jake Degner', and add website of artist + explanation that name is userid on that site. :) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 06:34, 25 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: ..and the [[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?942886 results]], with thanks. ../<br />
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== Dawn Burdett vs. D. M. Burdett ==<br />
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I think that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?297694 Dawn Burdett] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?297701 D. M. Burdett] are the same person as mentioned on [https://www.blackharepress.com/d-m-burdett/ this site]. What does anyone think? [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 16:58, 27 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Let's keep all the discussion in one place. There's already a discussion going [[ISFDB:Community Portal#Dawn Burdett vs. D. M. Burdett|over here]]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:02, 27 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Serial fiction app publications? ==<br />
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There are a growing number of serial fiction apps for smartphones. Some of the apps are publishing speculative fiction titles of note; recent serial app YONDER in particular is aggressively promoting itself as carrying backlist & commissioned titles from established authors (including specfic): [https://www.fastcompany.com/90795223/webtoon-launches-yonder-a-new-serialized-fiction-app promo news article here], [https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20221013005132/en/New-App-YONDER-Reimagines-Serialized-Fiction-with-a-Curated-Catalog-from-Bestselling-Authors-and-the-Most-Exciting-Voices-in-Storytelling press release here]. So how, if at all, should these app publications be added to ISFDB? <br />
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EXAMPLE 1: novel [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1313485 Power & Majesty] by Tansy Rayner Roberts was republished in serial form on app [https://radishfiction.com/stories/15019 Radish Fiction]. EXAMPLE 2: the series [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?42828 Available Darkness] by Sean Platt & David Wright has a story [https://m.yonderstory.com/titles/927 Darkness Itself] first published exclusively on the serial app YONDER. Would the app publications in these examples be added as new separate publications on ISFDB, or would they be added only as URL links on the "Power & Majesty" title and Available Darkness series pages? --[[User:Morebooks|Morebooks]] ([[User talk:Morebooks|talk]]) 13:28, 28 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Le Guin - The Dispossessed ==<br />
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Looking at the title {{T|7659|The Dispossessed: An Ambiguous Utopia}} (1974-05-00) and its variant {{T|1765549|The Dispossessed}} (also 1974-05-00), don't we date to the first instance of the variant, in this case to 1999-08-12? There's also this variant {{T|1898185|The Dispossessed}}(also 1974-05-00), but as Ursula K. Le Guin (to 1975-07-00?). Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:40, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Yes - we do. A lot of the older books are dated based on older rules which had the variants being dated based on the parent date (and/or based on a faulty understanding of the date rules by some moderators). These need fixing - so submit the updates (and any other you spot). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:50, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks Annie, I'll proceed. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:53, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pages? ==<br />
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I have a novel with numbered pages 1-201. The novel finishes on page 200. Page 201 is about the author and falls to 'contents not included'. Please remind me, should it be ...<br />
:a) Pages 200, and in notes "Novel ends page 200, a note about the author is on page 201, also numbered.", or<br />
:b) Pages 201, state the same in notes<br />
I think it's a) but I ask because there is already a different printing in the db (with the same content) with Pages 201 (no note). What do you think? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 04:12, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:As I read [[Template:PublicationFields:Pages|this help template]], it should be entered as 201. The About the Author can also be included if it is of significant length (see [[Template:PublicationInfo:WhatToInclude#Contents included with exceptions|this]]). Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:35, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:All numbered pages should be included in the page count, so 201. You can mention in the noes that the story ends on 200 and the About the Author is on 201 (unless it's a really long one, as mentioned by Rtrace). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:57, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks to both of you for your help, 201 it is :) Kev.--[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:15, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bloody Vegas ==<br />
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Can somebody tell me what to do with [https://www.amazon.com/Bloody-Vegas-Book-ebook/dp/B0BKWC8VDD/ref=sr_1_1?qid=1680665670&refinements=p_27%3AAela++Rose&s=digital-text&sr=1-1&text=Aela++Rose this book]? The Amazon credits are a real mess. The cover title and author credits are completely different than those inside the book. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 23:53, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Created 2 log ons, still says I'm not logged on ==<br />
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I read I needed 2 log ons, one for the site, one for the Wiki, but the app still says I'm not logged on. There are some corrections I need to make to my author info. {{unsigned|Nycwritercomposer}}<br />
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: Let me first confirm that we are on the same page re: the account creation process. [[ISFDB:FAQ]] says:<br />
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:* Note that the ISFDB database and the ISFDB wiki use the same accounts, so your User ID and password will be the same.<br />
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: The fact that you were able to create this Wiki post as [[User:Nycwritercomposer]] means that you have a valid Wiki account. All you have to do now is use the same account name and password on one of the ISFDB Web pages like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/index.cgi the ISFDB front page] and you should be logged in on both sides. If it doesn't work, the ISFDB FAQ has a list of common issues, which I am copy-pasting below:<br />
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:* The browser has cookies disabled<br />
:* The browser is Safari, which has reportedly caused problems for some users<br />
:* The user is trying to access the ISFDB using a URL other than https://www.isfdb.org<br />
:* The user is unaware that the user name is case sensitive (although the ISFDB Wiki lets you log in even if you use the wrong case)<br />
:* The user is unaware that the user name is automatically changed to have an initial capital letter<br />
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: Could you please give it a try and see if it works? And welcome to the ISFDB project! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:52, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Harcourt Brace Jovanovich ==<br />
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I'd be grateful if someone could explain how I should evaluate {{P|194085|this pub}} in terms of 1st or 2nd printing. [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Verification_requests/Archive_06#Stanis.C5.82aw_Lem._Fiasco This thread] gives me pause. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 04:07, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
: The explanation on the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?267 publisher page] is correct. You might find [https://www.qbbooks.com/first_ed_pub.php Quill & Brush] a valuable resource. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 07:15, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Aha! That fourth line was just waiting for me, hiding in plain sight... The Q&B link is just what I was looking for too. Thanks John. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 08:44, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Clarke - The Fountains of Paradise ==<br />
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I've landed in a tangle of Prefaces, Forewords, Afterwords, Additions, and their dates, and need advice on whether my thinking is any good on how to untangle all these essays.<br />
:*1) {{T|1315145|Preface (The Fountains of Paradise)}} and {{T|1696146|Foreword (The Fountains of Paradise)}}. ''Foreword'' is the parent title, correctly, as there are 6 ''Foreword''s and 3 ''Preface''s (note that the {{P|361011|8th printing}} has both titles). However, whilst the ''Preface'' is correctly dated 1979-01-00, the ''first instance'' we have of the ''Foreword'' is {{P|180669|1980-04-00 Pan Books}} and so I suggest the title date change 1979-00-00 to 1980-04-00.<br />
:*2) {{T|990208|Sources and Acknowledgments (The Fountains of Paradise)}} and {{T|1315143|Afterword: Sources and Acknowledgments}}. There are two of the former and eight of the latter titles, so I suggest reversing the variant. ''Sources and Acknowledgments (...)'' is dated 1979-00-00 but it is not given in the {{P|180001|1979-00-00 BCA edition}}. Should the title be re-dated to 1979-01-00? The ''Afterword: Sources...'' is dated 1979-00-00 but first appeared 2000-10-12. Should that also be re-dated?<br />
:*3) {{T|1315144|Addition to the Afterword}}. It appears that the title date 1989-03-00 has been derived from the author's signing date at the end of the essay and has been promulgated throughout; see also {{P|361011|8th printing}} and {{P|944280|13th printing}}. The {{P|115241|2000-10-12 printing}} appears to be the ''1st published'' instance of this title. We have only 3 candidates for a possible publishing date between 1989-03-00 and 2000-10-12; {{P|40141|1989-08-00 VGSF}}, {{P|40140|1991-01-00 Bantam Spectra}}, {{P|40139|1992-12-00 VGSF}} but none of them have active PVs to ask if the title is present. I suggest changing the title date 1989-03-00 to 2000-10-12.<br />
:*4) And lastly, the titles ''Afterword: Sources and Acknowledgments'' and ''Addition to the Afterword'' should be disambiguated for the author page.<br />
Thoughts and advice would be welcome. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 09:56, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Update: The ''Afterword: Sources...'' title has just been re-dated, as I was writing the above. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:04, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::*1) I wonder if the preface and foreword are the same. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?221061 my copy] has the preface on page xiii. It begins with '"From Paradise to Taprobane is forty leagues', ends with 'And utmost Indian Isle Taprobane..."' and has 19 lines. As it is, the dating is correct (I will add it to my copy). ''Preface'' is the variant title and is dated on the first appearance of the variant, ''Foreword'' is the parent title and dated on the first appearance of the text.<br />
:::*2) I would not support reversing the parent/variant. The essay is probably present in most or all of the publications of this noveel, just not (yet) in the database. "Sources and Acknowledgments" should indeed be re-dated to 1979-01-00<br />
:::*3) Yes, 'Addition to the Afterword' should be re-dated to 2000-10-12, with a note about the discrepancy of the author's signing date.<br />
:::*4) Yes, generic titles should always be disambiguated. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 10:47, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Thanks for your answer Willem.<br />
::::*1) You are likely correct about the text of the Preface and the Foreword being the same; my copy begins and ends as yours does, although only taking up 15 lines. However, I don't think the text "sameness" is relevant when considering the date - it's when the title first appears, not the text. The first appearance we have of the Foreword is 1980-04-00 which is why I suggested changing it from 1979-00-00 to that. If a subsequent earlier appearance turns up, then the title date would be changed to reflect that. Would you agree?<br />
:::::: The "sameness" is relevant IMO. If it isn't the same foreword, it should have it's own title. I ran across this frequently in translations of Jules Verne, same title, same story, different wording. I separated the TITLE and put the translator and distinguishing text in each of the Notes. That said, minor, editorial variations did not get new titles and this is just a foreword, not a novel. So "sameness" as a principle is important, just maybe not relevant here. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 09:19, 7 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::: If Preface and Foreword were not the same, they should be separated, but it seems they are the same. I suggest we reverse the parent/variant in this case. The current variant was first published 1979-01-00, the current parent on 1980-04-00. Keep in mind that when a variant is published before the parent, the parent gets the date of the variant (except for translations). --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 15:57, 7 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::*2) About reversing the variant. My understanding, from discussions elsewhere, is that whichever is the parent title is decided by which is the best known (most frequent) of the two. The current occurrence of eight titles to two seems a good basis for making that reverse. Do we make the decision based on "the essay is probably present"? At the moment we have no way of knowing that but, again, if more titles turn up, the parent issue can be revisited. My question about ''Afterword: Sources...'' being re-dated 1979 to 2000-10-12 still stands.<br />
::::*3) Agreed.<br />
::::*4) Agreed. Kev. [[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]])<br />
::::: Just chiming in about something: "My understanding, from discussions elsewhere, is that whichever is the parent title is decided by which is the best known (most frequent) of the two." - not exactly. The rule/practive is that the parent title is the earliest one unless a later one had become a lot more popular and familiar. Which amounts to the same thing very often but don't count everywhere for the sake of counting - the default is leaving the first/original title as a parent and you need a good reason for going for a later title (i.e. a serial renamed and always published under a new name when published as a novel for example or a single early publication under one title and then using another exclusively and so on). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:23, 7 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::Thanks for all the help, in the light of which I'll be making the following edits...<br />
:::::::*1) Reverse variant; make Foreword TR# 1696146 (re-date to 1980-04-00) a variant of Preface TR# 1315145 (1979-01-00).<br />
:::::::*2) Sources and Acknowledgments (The Fountains of Paradise) - re-date 1979-00-00 -> 1979-01-00.<br />
:::::::*3) Addition to the Afterword - change title date 1989-03-00 to 2000-10-12 - with a note about the discrepancy of the author's signing date.<br />
:::::::*4) Addition to the Afterword' - disambiguate -> Addition to the Afterword (The Fountains of Paradise).<br />
:::::::*4) Afterword: Sources and Acknowledgments - disambiguate -> Afterword: Sources and Acknowledgments (The Fountains of Paradise).<br />
::::::I think that's everything, but if I've missed anything please let me know. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 01:53, 13 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== C. J. Cherryh revised works ==<br />
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I just found information on three C. J. Cherryh titles that were substantially rewritten after their original publication and published as ebooks. In the case of <i>Rusalka</i> and <i>Yvegnie</i>, should they be considered just another publication under the existing title with a note indicating that this publication is a substantial rewrite of the original or should I create new title such as <i>Rusalka (Revised Edition)</i> and <i>Yvegnie (Revised Edition)</i>? The copyright page for <i>Rusalka</i> doesn't reference the original publication and only gives copyright information relevant to the ebook, strongly implying that it is rewritten. The copyright page for <i>Yvegnie</i> does reference the original publication but also states that it is substantially rewritten and should be considered a new work. I'm leaning toward creating new titles. The third book <i>Chernevog</i> has to be a new title since the ebook edition is authored by both C. J. Cherryh and Jane Fancher instead of just C. J. Cherryh. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 09:19, 9 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Given the presence of a new co-author, I would handle this case the same way we handled {{A|Jeremy Bai}}'s [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?68501 Nine Heavens and Ten Earths Universe]: one series for the original version and another series for the revised version plus a super-series to encompass both series. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:09, 18 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Thanks! I'll work on creating that structure. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 11:22, 18 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Where To Add Community Texts ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?260996; Somebody on Archive.org uploaded a lot of books, most of them "non-fiction" nonsense about Bigfoot and UFO's and such, but hidden among them is this novel which I'm guessing is hard to find since a search for some random sentences from the book found nothing online and many of these old "adult" novels are scarce. I'm never quite sure where I should add a link; it's not the real book except for the covers, being an e-text, so I don't think I should add it to the book's web page field, but if not should I add it to the Hudson title record or the Smith? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:22, 18 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I am looking at the [https://archive.org/details/thosesexysaucerpeoplebyjanhudson_202001/ uploaded file] and it appears to be a scan processed by OCR (Optical Character Recognition) software. The metadata associated with the file says "ABBYY FineReader 11.0 (Extended OCR)", which confirms that it's an OCR'd file. If so, then I would link it on the publication page since it's a scan of the 1967 edition as opposed to a new ebook edition. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:59, 18 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Done. I just noticed the scan's price/ID in upper left corner is blacked out. I wonder who did that, someone long ago or the scanner. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:31, 18 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== What exactly is a valid B&N ID? ==<br />
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[[Template:PublicationFields:ExternalIDs]] states for BN:<br />
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Look for the EAN. If it is a real EAN, it will start with 294. If it matches the ISBN13, do not record it as a BN number but as an ISBN. <br />
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Whilst it's not explicitly stated, my reading of that is that B&N IDs are expected to begin with 294. However I notice that majority of BN IDs in the database don't follow that pattern; the biggest group seem to be (pseudo?) ISBN-10s beginning 11:<br />
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MariaDB [isfdb]> select substring(identifier_value, 1, 3) prefix, length(identifier_value) length, count(1) from identifiers where identifier_type_id = 15 group by prefix, length;<br />
+--------+--------+----------+<br />
| prefix | length | count(1) |<br />
+--------+--------+----------+<br />
| $31 | 6 | 1 |<br />
| 009 | 9 | 1 |<br />
| 012 | 9 | 1 |<br />
| 100 | 10 | 3 |<br />
| 101 | 10 | 3 |<br />
| 102 | 10 | 4 |<br />
| 110 | 10 | 22 |<br />
| 111 | 9 | 3 |<br />
| 111 | 10 | 230 |<br />
| 112 | 9 | 4 |<br />
| 112 | 10 | 661 |<br />
| 113 | 9 | 1 |<br />
| 113 | 10 | 572 |<br />
| 114 | 10 | 375 |<br />
| 122 | 9 | 1 |<br />
| 281 | 8 | 1 |<br />
| 292 | 8 | 1 |<br />
| 294 | 13 | 675 |<br />
| 294 | 15 | 46 |<br />
| 523 | 8 | 1 |<br />
| 547 | 8 | 1 |<br />
| 588 | 8 | 1 |<br />
| 621 | 8 | 1 |<br />
| 978 | 13 | 37 |<br />
| 979 | 13 | 3 |<br />
| B01 | 10 | 1 |<br />
| B07 | 10 | 1 |<br />
| B08 | 10 | 2 |<br />
| htt | 80 | 1 |<br />
+--------+--------+----------+<br />
29 rows in set (0.024 sec)<br />
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Some of those - e.g. the ASINs and hyperlink - are obviously data entry issues that need fixing, but I tried [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?946112 a recent example of a 11* B&N ID] and [https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/il-presidio-parte-iv-barbara-bottalico/1143320947;jsessionid=4CEADF9D9BA4B812233A560EC9876C89.prodny_store01-atgap12?ean=9788825424188 the link to B&N] worked, so perhaps the info on that help page needs updating? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 11:01, 21 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
: It was designed for the 294 ISBN-like numbers B&N issues to books without ISBNs. However - because of the way their site works, each book also has a specific BN number as well (usually start with 1) and these also work with the URL we are using. So I stopped trying to tell people not to add these - if they want to, they can add them... I do not think we should be adding them so I never add them but there are cases where battles are not worth it - and as the URL works anyway and these are unique numbers anyway, so be it. The ISBNs, ASINs and other exotics above need fixing (some of the weird ones are probably GoodReads numbers). Whoever is fixing these, please do NOT delete them - chase them down and find what they are instead and assign them where they belong.[[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:57, 21 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks; I've cleaned up the link and the ASINs (wonder who was responsible for half of those? ;-) but I'll leave the much bigger jobs like the 978/979 ISBNs for the time being. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 13:53, 21 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: I'll clear the obvious ones up in a bit - I do that once in a while with the External ID search (starting with 9 gets you the ISBN, starting with 5,6 or 7 tend to get you some GRs and so on). :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:52, 21 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Genre or non-genre ==<br />
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I have a collection containing many non-genre essays and one genre short story. When I enter it as a new collection do I tag the pub as non-genre or genre? I'll only be listing the short story in the contents and disregarding the rest, detailing this in the notes. Advice please. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:55, 23 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: If a publication contains many non-genre essays and one genre story, I would enter it as "non-genre NONFICTION" since the primary title type is "ESSAY" as opposed to "SHORTFICTION". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:28, 24 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yes, that makes perfect sense, thanks for that. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:20, 24 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Now I'm in a loop I can't get out of with this... <br />
:::Here is the publication's {{T|3175105|title page}}<br />
:::For a start, Grindrod is not the author, he's the Editor - how do I make that?<br />
:::Apart from one exception, the book is an anthology (many different authors) of non-fiction, non-genre essays. How/where does all that fit in?<br />
:::I've been looking at some of Asimov's non-fiction titles as editor but can't find any clues.<br />
:::More advice needed please. Btw, here's the [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Genre_help_wanted story, again] --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:44, 29 April 2023 (EDT)Thanks, Kev<br />
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::::All publication types have "author" credits. For ANTHOLOGY and MAGAZINE the software chooses to label these credits "Editor", while for all other publication types, the software labels these credits "Author". So if you are following Ahasuerus' suggestion, then you would make a NONFICTION publication (flagged as non-genre) with the editor/compiler as "author" and give it a single SHORTFICTION content record with the genre story and its author credit. Everything else about it would be relegated to the notes (unless some of the essays should be "in", in which case you would add content records for those, too.). You can also put a note on the title record that it's a compilation of essays and Grinrod is the editor. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:56, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: One other clarification re: the NONFICTION type. It's used both for monographs, i.e. non-fiction book-length texts like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?102342 ''How to Write Science Fiction and Fantasy''], and for compendiums of non-fiction essays written by different people like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?249807 ''Howard Phillips Lovecraft Memorial Symposium'']. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:22, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Adding awards to parent title record vs variants ==<br />
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Sanity check: when adding an award to a title, the award should be added to the record of the the title which is listed (or at least, implied) in any official award announcement, rather than the parent title record? [[Help:Screen:AddAward]] doesn't say anything explicitly about this?<br />
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I've just started trundling through [https://locusmag.com/2023/04/2023-locus-awards-top-ten-finalists-2/ the recently announced Locus top 10 finalists], and noticed that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2996522 Nettle & Bone by Ursula Vernon] has 4 award noms, but [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2996521 the T. Kingfisher variant] only has 3, the omission being the Nebula. [https://nebulas.sfwa.org/58th-nebula-awards-finalists/ The SFWA page] lists Kingfisher, so I'd have thought that should be the title record that gets the award attached to?<br />
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However, to be really pedantic about things, this particular case is a bit more complicated. The aforelinked SFWA page lists "Nettle and Bone", which is a variant of the title only used for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3016273 the UK Titan editions], with the Tor US ones using an ampersand. I'm guessing there's probably scope for an editor to use their judgement to determine the "best" title record to add the award to, rather than strictly adhering to announcements, which in this case would split the awards across the two T. Kingfisher variants? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 11:58, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: When this question [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive20 came up last year], I wrote:<br />
:* Re: attaching awards to VTs, yes, it's fully supported by the software. In some cases it's a meaningful distinction, e.g. when the award is given to a translation, so it's the preferred way of doing things.<br />
: A bit later Annie added:<br />
:* I attach the award to the version it was given to (provided that it is not a typo and that version exists as a published book/part of a book) or to the canonical if the award site/announcement made up a weird title for the book. That way they are visible in both places and they are attached where one would expect them to be.<br />
: I thought this practice was documented in Help, but apparently not. I have updated [[Help:Screen:AddAward]]. Thanks for the heads-up. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:08, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks - I had a vague recollection I'd come across this issue before, but I had no memory of adding a wiki item. Sorry for timewasting :-(<br />
:: I've updated the Nebula entry to use the T. Kingfisher variant title. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:04, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: No worries! Help needed to be updated anyway, so it's all good. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]])<br />
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== Jana Bianchi / Jana P. Bianchi ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?307343 This author] is the same [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?329054 as this author] (both the stories linked on the first profile and the single story that appears on the second profile are listed on the [https://janabianchi.com.br/ author's website]). Can both of those profiles be linked? As far as I can tell, Bianchi used to go with the middle initial in the beginning of her career, but seems to have dropped it. [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 14:28, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Done. Thanks for finding this! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 08:43, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks so much! I found another another author with alternate names: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?317569 this is an old alternate name] to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?311028 this same author], as it can be seen in [https://annamartino.com/textos/ her website], so they should probably be merged too :) [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 14:28, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Fixed! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:12, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Thanks! Just one thing: I noticed Jana's chapbook Lobo de Rua (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3183741) is not appearing under her canonical name (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?307343), just in her alternate name. I was the one who added Lobo de Rua, so I'm unsure if I did anything wrong, or if there's a way of making it appear in her main name page. [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 22:20, 17 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::I'll explain how to fix this so you can do the editing and learn. <br />
:::::#Go to the title page for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3183741 ''Lobo de Rua''].<br />
:::::#In the left vertical menu section, in the ''Editing Tools'' section, click on '''Make This Title a Variant'''.<br />
:::::#There are two options for how to make it a variant of another title. The first option is for if the parent title already exists (which it doesn't), so skip down to the second option. In the ''Author 1'' field, delete the contents and enter her canonical name: Jana Bianchi.<br />
:::::#Click the '''Create New Parent Title''' button.<br />
:::::Once you're done, let us know here and we can approve the submission. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:07, 17 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Done! Thank you for your patience :) [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 22:20, 17 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::Approved! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:50, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Transliteration mouse-over? ==<br />
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On Gene Wolfe's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?171 Summary page], mouse-over works for the titles there: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?57389 Parkroads—A Review] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1032738 Afterword (Parkroads—A Review)] but not for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1203064 Gene Wolfe—The Legend, the Man] - although it does work on the title page. Any ideas why? Thanks. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:27, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Hm, it may be a bug. I'll take a look when I finish the patch that I am currently working on. Thanks for reporting the issue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 23:48, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I should have added that I've seen this on other pages too. Thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 05:51, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::From what I've found, the lack of mouse-over only manifests in the "Interviews with This Author" section on authors' pages and is not character-dependent. Where the interviwer's name has been transliterated, mouse-over works. Here are some other examples (author page, affected title): ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?259 259] {{T|3023887|3023887}} {{T|1351367|1351367}} {{T|2454965|2454965}}) ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?8 8] {{T|1685583|1685583}}) ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?17 17] {{T|1021020|1021020}} {{T|1337838|1337838}}) ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?48 48] {{T|1677638|1677638}}) ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?171 171] {{T|1203064|1203064}}). Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:53, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: I believe it's been fixed. Please let me know if you come across any issues. 18:31, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Indeed it has. Thanks for your time on that. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:09, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
(unindent)On PKD title page for {{T|2103|Do Androids...}}, the 1997-00-00 translation "Träumen Androiden von elektrischen Schafen?" is not showing its transliterated title (nor at the head of the pub page). It's been done everywhere I could find. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:06, 28 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?720634 1997 printing of ''Träumen Androiden von elektrischen Schafen?''] didn't have a transliterated title value set. It's been added and everything seems to look OK. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 00:14, 29 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Ah, I didn't look at pub level edit. Thanks! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 00:29, 29 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Early SFWA Bulletins ==<br />
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I've recently acquired copies of most of the 1965-1982 issues of the SWFA Bulletin. I have a problem putting these into the pub grid. Previous copies have generally be put into sub-groups by year (SWFA Bulletin - 1967 for instance). I can't figure out how to do this apparently. Help. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] ([[User talk:Biomassbob|talk]]) 19:17, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Bob, the problem is trying to use a separate series for each year. We only need one series [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?28836 The SFWA Bulletin]. Use this series regardless of the year and <b>no</b> series number. The software will place the each issue in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?28836 issue grid] using the date field. We also merge all the issues for a given year, for example [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2846550 The SFWA Bulletin - 1983]. <br />
:* 1966 - Edit the title record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3180604 SFWA Bulletin, January 1966] Remove the Series Number:, make the Title: "SFWA Bulletin - 1966" and Date: "1966-00-00". This will be the title record you use to merge any additional 1966 issues with the same editor. Different editors get their own "rollup" title.<br />
:* 1965<br />
:# Edit the series record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?69835 The SFWA Bulletin - 1965] Change Name: to "The SFWA Bulletin" & Parent: blank. <br />
:# Edit the title record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3176839 SFWA Bulletin, July 1965] Change Name: to "SFWA Bulletin - 1965", Date: "1965-00-00", Series Number: blank. <br />
:# Merge the other two 1965 title records and any additional with the title from step #2.<br />
:Let me know if anything isn't clear, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:59, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bloodchild and Other Stories in French ==<br />
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Hi I am new here and have seen that Bloodchild from Octavia Butler had a translation in French "Enfants de sang" not present on ISFDB see [https://www.belial.fr/legacy/a/revue/bifrost-108 here], though I don't know if is is the same title used for the collection of short storis called Bloodchild and other stories. How do you proceed to :1 create an entry on isfdb for Enfants de sang, 2- look up if there is a translation for the collection of stories ? Thanks for your patience ! [[User:Nattes|Nattes]] ([[User talk:Nattes|talk]]) 17:17, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Step 1: Add the French book with as many details as you know, including contents. The dates of the stories and the collection should be the ones of the French versions and NOT of the English ones.<br />
: Step 2-x: Once the book is approved, for each title inside of it (the collection itself and each story), add the translator (if known) and variant the French title to the English one. When opening the title, the Make Variant link is on the left menu (you want Make and not Add Variant). <br />
: Welcome to ISFDB! Do not hesitate to ask if you have more questions. It may be useful to open one of the other translations of this collection ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?870988 The Italian one is here]) and see how it looks like and what is added where. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:31, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Id did this https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/submitnewpub.cgi but it's not correct : I cant change the type to "short fiction" and I don't know who the tranlator is :/[[User:Nattes|Nattes]] ([[User talk:Nattes|talk]]) 17:55, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5661758 The submission]. So... this is a bit different because this is part of a magazine - in this specific case the book that needs adding in step 1 above is the magazine issue. You need to add the magazine and add the story inside of it - you do not add individual stories which are parts of other books on their own. We do not have any of the 2022 issues of that Bifrost (the older ones are [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?37891 here]: see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?851563 and example issue]). I can approve this one and fix it and explain what I did - or you can cancel it and add a New Magazine (similarly to how the old issues were added) and we can take it from there. Let me know. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:03, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: So then my second attempt is no better :/. I understand I have to add the no 108 of Bifrost after creating it. I think you can delete all my mistakes will try again tomorrow (thaks for the welcoming spirit !) [[User:Nattes|Nattes]] ([[User talk:Nattes|talk]]) 18:12, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::: The variant was ok but the resulting French title would have been deleted overnight if someone worked through the cleanup report as it was a title without publication. So we usually recommend first to add the book/magazine and then to variant its titles.<br />
::::: You start by creating Bifrost 108. Click on New Magazine on the left menu - and start from there. And I (or another moderator) will assist and correct whatever needs correcting - and explain so you know for your next submission. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:18, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::: PS: Magazines are the most complicated type in here - if you understand them, adding novels becomes a walk in the park. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:19, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Which currency to use? ==<br />
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There was a discussion on this topic that I read but didn't track. I have an interesting anomaly. There are two versions of the first edition of David Eddings' ''Guardians of the West'', an [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?16151 American] at $4.95 and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?683228 Canadian] at C$6.95. I have in hand a copy with a cover at $6.95, but printed in the United States. No line numbers on any of the three copies and later editions went for $5.95 in the US. Only a single price on each copy, none of the usual double pricing. I think it is just a misplaced Canadian cover, but do I bother entering it, and if I do, does it get the (stated) US price of $6.95 or the implied Canadian price of C$6.95? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 16:46, 14 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I'd just a note about the discrepancy in both of our records... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:37, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: I read it, I liked, I did it. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 16:15, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Charles Vess' Earthsea interior art in omnibus and individual novel forms ==<br />
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There are currently separate records for the Charles Vess Earthsea artwork for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2418221 the original omnibus] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3106333 the (presumed) subset of art that appears in a later standalone A Wizard of Earthsea pub]. Would it be reasonable to variant the latter to the former, similar to how split novels are handled?<br />
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I see there's also [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3164744 a Portuguese record] for the art for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?944900 a Brazilian pub of The Tombs of Atuan], which could maybe be similarly varianted, if that's the right way to go. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 09:11, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: It seems most likely that Vess did artwork for every single title (at least for the single novels), and that those appear in the onmibus edition. Thus, to this edition the single titles of artwork should be added (i. e. "A Wizard of Earthsea", "The Tombs of Atuan", "The Farthest Shore" & "Tehanu"). This also would solve the problem of interior art without a parent found for example [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?944901 here]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:38, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Where does a novel start? ==<br />
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In 2020 I edited a pub where the text of a novel started on page 3 (the 1st numbered page), and that's the page I entered for the regular title. Now I think I should have entered page 1. Page 1 is unnumbered (although that has no bearing here, but would be recorded in the notes) and has a title for the 1st section of the novel. Which version of me is right? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:30, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Since in most cases there's no regular content title before the beginning of the novel, I personally would also enter p. 1 as beginning (but maybe adding a note that this is actually the title page of the novel); it wouldn't be totally misleading to give p. 3, though (and adding a note that this is the actual beginning of the text, with p. 1 being the title page): thus, in this case both would be allowed, I think: by adding notes all of a potential irritation would be avoided. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:20, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: As per [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Regular_Titles]]:<br />
::* Page - The number of the page on which the content begins. This is the number which is actually printed on the page of the publication, not the count of pages from the start.<br />
:: Based on the above, it should be "3". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:16, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Thanks for pointing that out! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:36, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Licensing question ==<br />
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I have an author image that I can upload to ISFDB under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 International or compatible license. Is our [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:Author_Image_Data Author Image Data] template compatible as in this reference: https://creativecommons.org/share-your-work/licensing-considerations/compatible-licenses? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:58, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:You should instead use [[:Template:Author Image Data-CC4]]. You can see the full list of author and other templates [[:Category:Image License Tags|here]]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:51, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Perfect, thank you. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:47, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Uploading images - Book covers ==<br />
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Dear ISFDB Help Desk,<br />
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In regard to loading images of book covers to new entries, the "How to..." instructions were too obtuse for me. <br />
I am of the dark age when we were only just transitioning from slide rules to computers. If there is an ISFDB Help link with Step-By-Step guidance in adding images to a new entry (the equivalent of a grade school primer or "ISFDB for Dummies"), I would be greatly appreciative; and also appreciative of any direct help you wish to provide to correct my entry of today's date.<br />
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Respectfully,<br />
Bob<br />
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Robert B. Finegold, M.D. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Bob Finegold|Bob Finegold]] ([[User talk:Bob Finegold|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bob Finegold|contribs]]) .</small><br />
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:You can only add a cover scan to a new pub once the pub has been accepted. I have accepted your submission for {{P|951995|Fantastic Detectives}} and now the "Upload new cover scan" is present on its page. You used an Amazon image when creating the pub, which is fine. If you want to upload a local image you are welcome to. You would use the Semi-automated Procedure section under [[Help:How_to_upload_images_to_the_ISFDB_wiki#Semi-automated_Procedure|Help:How to upload images to the ISFDB wiki]]. If you questions on that, please let us know. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:50, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Adding a translation to an anthology ==<br />
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Hi, my apologies if this is an obvious question, but I wanted to be sure. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3165533 This title] was published simultaneously in English and in Portuguese, in two different e-books, by the same press. How exactly do I add the Portuguese version, considering they're not in the same e-book but they should be connected (like all the other translated titles usually are)? [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 11:45, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Hello, and welcome! <br />
: I have to admit there's a little bit of confusion involved: the entry for the publication states it is bilingual, while you do describe it as published in two different ebooks (!?) [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:11, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: In the first case, the Portuguese titles would have to be added to the anthology (analogous to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?352918 this anthology]), in case #2, a new (Portuguese) publication would have to be entered. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:15, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: I was the one who added it, and indeed the way I described originally was confusing, so I'll edit it later for clarity. Since it's case #2, do I simply add a new anthology and just mention it's connected to this one in the notes, so whoever approves it will do the merging? Or there's a way of creating an entry already connected to the English entry? [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 14:09, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Sorry, but no, there is no automated way to variant the titles: it has to be done afterwards title by title. And yes, a new anthology with Portuguese as set language is the way to add them. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 14:13, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: No problem, thank you for clarifying! I just edited the English version to remove the awkward wording, plus added the Portuguese version. [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 17:20, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Sturgeon - Godbody ==<br />
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There is only one Reg3 entry, #35184, for this 1986 title but two have been secondary verified; {{P|15623|this one}}, correctly, I think, and {{P|320715|this one}} not so. Advice please. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:32, 4 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:They are both legit copies, if you look on Abebooks there are lots of copies of the limited case bound.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 00:02, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: And the second one hasn't been Reg3 secondary verified. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 08:07, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Kraang, I think you misunderstood what I wrote; I wasn't questioning the legitimacy of the pubs, rather, the verification.<br />
:::Christian, do you not see that Bluesman secondary verified it on 2017-05-17?<br />
(Outdent)To clarify... for Reg3 ID# 35184, the following: "Godbody. New York: Donald I. Fine, 1986, 159 p., cloth (i.e. hc), novel." <br />
That entry refers <b>only</b> to {{P|15623|this pub}}, where the ID# has been entered under External IDs.<br />
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It does not refer to the {{P|320715|limited edition}}. If it did, it would be annotated, as it is for the Silverberg entry (for example) #33898 "Homefaring. Huntingdon Woods, MI: Phantasia Press, 1983, 102 p., cloth, novel. [Limited to 450 copies]". {{P|227965|See here}}.<br />
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The upshot of all this is that, simply, Bluesman's SV for the {{P|320715|limited edition}} should be marked N/A. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:31, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I disagree. For Reginald, I'll verify so long as Reginald accurately describes the edition. In this case, I think it would be fine to add the numbers and verifications to both these printings, i.e. Reginald could be describing either. For the Silverberg entry, there is only a limited edition so Reginald's note goes with the only edition. If Reginald, had noted a limitation for the Sturgeon, I would not have verified the trade edition. I'll also note that Reginald generally describes hard covers a cloth bound, and I would not add a Reginald verification to a leather bound edition in such an instance. If you do encounter a verification that is incorrect and was made by an inactive user, moderators do have the ability to remove verifications. I believe that I'm the only one who has used that feature. Hope that helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:28, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Got it. I had to state it baldly to get a definitive answer which I can take forward. Your comment "If Reginald, had noted a limitation for the Sturgeon, I would not have verified the trade edition." is what I would have followed. I suppose it all comes down to can a single Reginald entry be applied to more than one pub. Thanks for your help :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:49, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Starship's Mage canonical name ==<br />
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"Starship's Mage" by Glynn Stewart was originally released as five novella-length episodes named "Starship's Mage: Episode 1" thru "Starship's Mage: Episode 5" which I have just added. It was first published as a unified novel in December 2014 as "Starship's Mage: Omnibus" (and even though we don't normally include it, the title page and the publisher consider the Omnibus subtitle as part of the title). In 2018, the publisher retitled it as simply "Starship's Mage" with new cover art and a new copyright date. The current title record is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2036048 here]. I think that the existing title name is the more used one and that I should Unmerge the "Starship's Mage: Omnibus" pubs, merge them into one title, and then variant that title to the existing "Starship's Mage" title. That's straight forward but would leave the canonical title with the date of the "Starship's Mage: Omnibus" first publication. To handle that, I think I should add a note in the canonical title record about why that date was used so someone doesn't change it later. Is this the best way to handle this situation? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 09:25, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: The canonical title will carry the date of the earliest publication as a novel (and not as a serial) regardless if the title is used exactly. So if you make the later title the canonical, it will carry the "Starship's Mage: Omnibus" date. You do not need a note for that - it is how these are supposed to be dated and people don't usually change these (we usually have a problem with people dating variants, not canonicals). So add the missing Starship's Mage: Omnibus titles, rename/unmerge what is needed and connect them together. We can always fix things if something ends up weirdly. <br />
: Now... another option is just to ignore the "Omnibus" subtitle and just add it to the publication notes where that applies. We do not record "Collection" or "Short Stories" or "A Novel" as a subtitle and the editor can chose to treat omnibus the same way here. I'd go that way if I was editing this one but what you are proposing also makes sense and follows the rules. 17:51, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks. Changes implemented. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:10, 16 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Asian Literature Project "YOMU" website: anthology? webzine? not eligible? ==<br />
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Would the [https://asiawa.jpf.go.jp/en/culture/projects/p-yomu/ Asian Literature Project "YOMU"] from the Japan Foundation Asia Center be eligible for [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Included ISFDB inclusion] under "One time speculative fiction anthologies published on the Web"? If so, how would I submit it as a new publication? It's a multilingual anthology of both genre and non-genre short stories. Included are some genre short stories by authors already listed on ISFDB: [https://asiawa.jpf.go.jp/en/culture/features/f-yomu-indonesia-ziggy-zezsyazeoviennazabrizkie/ Open Tribunal] by [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?337646 Ziggy Zezsyazeoviennazabrizkie], [https://asiawa.jpf.go.jp/en/culture/features/f-yomu-indonesia-faisal-oddang/ On Sounds] by [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?284912 Faisal Oddang], [https://asiawa.jpf.go.jp/en/culture/features/f-yomu-malaysia-terence-toh/ Second Course] by [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?216637 Terence Toh], [https://asiawa.jpf.go.jp/en/culture/features/f-yomu-philippines-kristine-ong-muslim/ Degrees of Separation] by [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?115021 Kristine Ong Muslim], etc. The short stories are available for individual PDF download but there doesn't appear to be a comprehensive file for download collecting all the stories. [[User:Morebooks|Morebooks]] ([[User talk:Morebooks|talk]]) 17:47, 13 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Since each story is available "downloadable as electronic files" (PDFs of all three languages), I'd say they are eligible. I'd make the original language version the main title, and variant the English and Japanese translations to it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:22, 13 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks. What kind of publication should it be submitted as? And what should the "original" language of the overarching publication be, since it's a Japanese organization translating multiple languages into Japanese and English? [[User:Morebooks|Morebooks]] ([[User talk:Morebooks|talk]]) 20:29, 13 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Each story will need to be added as a chapbook (with a short story record inside), type ebook (PDF is a type of ebook) as this is what is eligible - the PDFs. Similar to how you add a Kindle book - except this one won't have an ASIN but a link to the file or the page with the file in its webpages field. So for [https://asiawa.jpf.go.jp/en/culture/features/f-yomu-indonesia-ziggy-zezsyazeoviennazabrizkie/ Open Tribunal], you will add 3 chapbooks (one in each language), each with their story inside and then make the Indonesian one parent for the other 3 (for the story and for the chapbooks). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:46, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: If each story is a separate chapbook (plus translations) named after that story, how should we indicate that each of the stories/chapbooks is part of a larger project (Asian Literature Project "YOMU")? Is Asian Literature Project "YOMU" listed as the publisher, or a Publication Series under publisher Japan Foundation? Or should the chapbooks have a shared title, like "Asian Literature Project "YOMU": Open Tribunal"? [[User:Morebooks|Morebooks]] ([[User talk:Morebooks|talk]]) 21:26, 20 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::: I’d use a pub series (just in case the same publisher has a different project later). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 22:14, 20 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== WSFA Small Press Award ==<br />
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(Moving the eligibility discussion to the Community Portal) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:17, 26 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Variant question ==<br />
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I'm looking at a split-image cover (call it 'C') comprising two works by the same artist. The art comes from two previously published, different titles (call them 'A' and 'B') with different first published dates. 'C' has yet another title, making three titles involved in all.<br />
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The 'C' cover art title needs to be varianted, because of the name change, but with two possible parents, how should I handle this? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:31, 20 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I think it should be handled the other way around: if there's the complete artwork published, it seems to be the obvious parent. Things like this do happen, albeit seldomly: but think about serializations for which the complete text is often published later. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:34, 20 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Only if it started as a single artwork though - if it started as 2 of them, making the combined image the parent is a bad idea IMO. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:15, 20 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Alternatively, you can incorporate those two (A and B) covers into the C publication (basically have two cover images). Just import them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:40, 20 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: I'd go for the double cover as well (not import though due to the different name). Either that or go for just notes. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:15, 20 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Obviously that should only be done if it is '''one''' piece of art (and not two just put side by side). There are, as an example cases, where there's wrap-around cover artwork, but both parts (the front & the back) were used separately as (front) cover illustrations. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:50, 21 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::It's hard to know for sure, though, unless we can get more specific than "cover A", "Cover B", and "Cover C". Can you point us to to the specific book we're talking about, Kev? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:04, 21 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::These are the Sheri S. Tepper books; the artist is James C. Christensen: <br />
::::::*{{P|24509|Northshore}}. I think there's a problem here with the subtitle being missing, but the art credit is clear.<br />
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::::::* {{P|31357|Southshore}}. Again, there may be a problem with the titling, but the art is signed.<br />
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::::::* {{P|35444|The Awakeners (split image)}} showing Northshore and Southshore images. The art is currently credited to Thomas Canty. I think that's in error, but I have a question in to [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Taweiss#Tepper_-_The_Awakeners Taweiss] asking for clarification.<br />
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::::::* {{P|241097|The Awakeners: Northshore & Southshore}}. With the Northshore image, this pub <i>appears</i> to be correctly titled and varianted.<br />
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:::::So, you can see I was pre-empting Taweiss's answer by posting this varianting question. Assuming that his reply resolves the credit to Christensen then I think "The Awakeners" (with the split image) will have to stand without a parent (not varianted) and with a note in its title page stating details of the two cover images it contains and perhaps a cautionary note about not varianting it and also not to merge it with the "The Awakeners: Northshore & Southshore" title. I appreciate your help here, thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 17:39, 21 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::: Yep - it seems like The Awakeners (split image) is just a combination of the other two and not a single picture that had been split for the rest. So notes (in all titles) will need to do. Think of it as an omnibus of 2 novels - the title record of these don't get really connected to the novels themselves - the contents page does that. Same thing here except that covers do not have contents - so notes are the best thing you can do (and I'd add them into both the mixed record and the single ones - so people can use them as breadcrumbs.<br />
:::::: Now... we do have some omnibuses which end up with more than one cover when the original books' covers are combined for their cover - people import them to show the connection as there is no other way... I am not sure how much that conforms to the rules at this point (I don't think it does technically) but it also helps figure out what is available where so practically, it makes sense. We probably really want to talk about it over in R&S and clarify that case - because we will see more and more of it with ebooks these days... and usability of the DB should always be the guiding principle IMO... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:26, 22 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wild Cards anthology credits - cover vs title page contradictions ==<br />
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I've just added the UK hc of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3188152 Pairing Up"], which comes out next month. I note that the cover says "Edited by George R. R. Martin / Assisted by Melinda M. Snodgrass"; however Kobo has [https://www.kobo.com/gb/en/ebook/pairing-up-wild-cards-1 a preview of the ebook], where the title page has the roles reversed i.e. "Edited by Melinda M. Snodgrass / Assisted by George R. R. Martin". Whilst this might be down to pre-release inaccuracies, I note that 2021's [https://www.kobo.com/gb/en/ebook/joker-moon-wild-cards Joker Moon] is the same, although in that case Snodgrass isn't mentioned on the cover at all.<br />
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(FWIW the US covers of these have "GRRM presents" on Pairing Up, and "Edited by GRRM" on Joker Moon.)<br />
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Am I right in thinking that per ISFDB rules, the title page credit should win over the cover, and Snodgrass should be the name in the author/editor field, in addition to GRRM? (I'm interpreting the 'Writers "with" other writers' bit near the bottom of [[Template:TitleFields:Author]] as indicating that he should be credited. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]])<br />
: The order does not really matter - both got credited on the UK edition cover and title page of Pairing Up. The US one is not that generous on the cover but I suspect it will repeat the title credit. At this point you have a few options:<br />
:* Update the credit for the UK edition, split the titles and make the one with the more authors the parent. <br />
:* Update both but put a watchPrePub on the US one so we can look at the title page when it is out<br />
:* Add watchPrePub on the UK one and wait for both to come out so we can sort out the editors. <br />
: There is a reason why we date our notes :) As for the older book - it is possible that noone looked at the title pages because they were not available at the time of adding and then noone fixed the records later. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:43, 21 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks. I get the impression that most or all of the recent (2010+?) Wild Cards anthologies may well be in a similar position - although a couple are already credited to both - so I'm not rushing to take responsibility for sorting out all of that ;-) For this upcoming one, I'll leave as-is, other than adding WatchPrePub, until pub date [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 17:05, 21 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Would not surprise me - these are a pain to figure out pre-publication and without the books (half of the time even figuring out which are anthologies and which are novels is not trivial with these without access to the book. Sooner or later a PV will actually look at the books - or so one hopes. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:10, 21 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Deleting Cover scan ==<br />
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I added a cover to the wrong issue (trying to replace an Amazon cover).<br />
The book was Iron Kissed HC by Ace (Publication Record # 364825)<br />
The scan is: https://isfdb.org/wiki/images/2/2e/RNKSSDMRCT2012.jpg<br />
How can this cover scan be deleted? {{unsigned|Stealth DBA}}<br />
: When that happens, post on the moderator board with a link with the web page of the image. In this case [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:RNKSSDMRCT2012.jpg this is the page] for your image. Then a moderator can delete it for you. I've removed it. <br />
: From practical standpoint, as long as you do not have a URL field pointing to the picture, the image is not displayed anywhere. It is good to delete it but it does not get linked into the pub automatically. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:36, 21 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Trying to to add author details ==<br />
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I'm trying to add details to Štěpán Zavřel {{A|365925}}. When I try to submit, I get this message "Error: Only moderators can edit canonical names." The field is grayed out for me and I'm not trying to edit it.--[[User:Auric|Auric]] ([[User talk:Auric|talk]]) 09:05, 1 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: There was something wrong with the canonical name. I have changed it and things should be back to normal. Could you please give it another try and see if it works? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:57, 1 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: It's gone through. Thanks.--[[User:Auric|Auric]] ([[User talk:Auric|talk]]) 14:37, 1 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Publication date for 19th century poem "Демон"? ==<br />
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I'm planning to variant [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3206108 this 1918 poem "The Demon"] as an English translation of the 19th century Russian poem "Демон" by Mikhail Lermontov / Михаила Лермонтова. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon_(poem) English Wikipedia page], [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%94%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%BD_(%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%8D%D0%BC%D0%B0) Russian WP page] <br />
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What should I put as the publication date of the Russian version of "Демон"? Going off the google-translated Russian Wikipedia page, there is debate about what is considered the "official" publication date of the poem, and there are at least 8 different author's versions of the poem. And the 1918 English translation that I'm varianting makes no mention of which version of the Russian poem was translated. [[User:Morebooks|Morebooks]] ([[User talk:Morebooks|talk]]) 18:44, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Technically 1856 is the first complete edition so this is what I would use, with a note that excerpts of it were published in 1842. Fantlab and most bibliographies use [https://fantlab.ru/work238556 1842] though so either works - as long as the note explains the dating and has the other date as well.<br />
: PS: Михаил Лермонтов and not Михаила Лермонтова -- Михаила Лермонтова means "by/of Михаил Лермонтов". [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:09, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Off-topic: Thanks for bringing back a very old memory. I still have my "Declensions of nouns and adjectives" cheat sheet somewhere in my Russian books.... :) --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:09, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Some of those things make no sense whatsoever -- especially around prepositions. :) This one is straight-forward (and most of the ones you need to untangle while cataloging usually are). Some make me scratch my head for a bit when I see them in a book :)<br />
::: PS: I probably should have said "in this sentence" - the name Михаила Лермонтова can exist on its own of course but not in the sentence it is used in the Wiki:) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:29, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Merging question ==<br />
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Hi ! <br />
I just added a book here : https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5716151 <br />
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This book contains only one text, which already has its page here : https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1812614 <br />
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I didn't find how to merge, I need a little help, then...<br />
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Also, the submission page says the cover can't be fetched from the website... Well it can be fetched here too : https://nouveautes-editeurs.bnf.fr/accueil?id_declaration=10000000896092&annonceCarrousel=true&titre_livre=Un_robot_po%C3%A8te_ne_nous_fait_pas_peur <br />
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[[User:Jean-no|Jean-no]] ([[User talk:Jean-no|talk]]) 10:21, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
: This actually is going to be a bit complicated. Non-fiction and essays are not mergeable or combinable so you have two options here:<br />
:* Use notes to make the connection<br />
:* Once the book is approved, import the essay -- treating the NON-FICTION book as a container for the essay. While a bit unortodox, that actually solves the issue nicely enough.<br />
: About the covers - we can only allow direct links to sites that had allowed us to link to them. Any other cover - you can upload directly after the book is created or you can find it in a place where we can link to. :) <br />
: Let me know if I can assist further. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:33, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thank you ! [[User:Jean-no|Jean-no]] ([[User talk:Jean-no|talk]]) 13:46, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Anytime. And welcome to the project :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:17, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Combine Author Records? ==<br />
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Good Day!<br />
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Please forgive me if I am posting in the wrong place, or if my request is out of line. My name is Kelly A. Harmon. There is a record here which is about me: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?344512. It is missing my middle initial, so it is not connected to my (actual) full listing (located here: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?125876). You can see my initial in the TOC of the book in question on Amazon here: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?125876.<br />
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I'm not certain of your protocol, but my preference would be for the non-initial listing to disappear and the information be listed on my accurate entry, if possible. <br />
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Thank you for your time and your assistance. If there's anything I can do to help, please let me know.<br />
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Kindest regards,<br />
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Kelly A. Harmon {{Unsigned2|07:22, July 14, 2023|Kellyaharmon}}<br />
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: The error has been corrected. Thanks for bringing it to our attention. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 07:38, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Thank you for your help! [[User:Kellyaharmon|Kellyaharmon]] ([[User talk:Kellyaharmon|talk]]) 18:58, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Template problem ==<br />
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Does anyone know how to make this[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3124523] publication template work? I've followed the template example, but it keeps coming back as unrecognized. Used this wiki page[https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:List_of_ISFDB_Templates]. Thank.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:34, 20 July 2023 (EDT)</div>
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