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2024-03-29T02:23:53Z
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Lensman03&diff=682755
User talk:Lensman03
2024-03-26T22:45:27Z
<p>JLaTondre: welcome</p>
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<div><br />
==Welcome!==<br />
<br />
Hello, {{PAGENAME}}, and welcome to the ISFDB Wiki! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:<br />
*[[Help:Contents|Help pages]]<br />
*[[Help:Screen:NewPub|Field-by-field guide to entering new publications into the database]]<br />
*[[Help:Getting Started]]<br />
*[[Help:Contents/Purpose|What the ISFDB Wiki is for]]<br />
*[[ISFDB:FAQ|FAQ]]<br />
*[[Help:Editing|Wiki editing help]] - Tips on how to use the wiki-specific features when editing wiki pages.<br />
*[[Help:Wiki Conventions|Wiki Conventions]] - How things are usually done on this wiki.<br />
*[[Help:How to upload images to the ISFDB wiki]] <br />
<br />
'''Note''': Image uploading isn't entirely automated. You're uploading the files to the wiki which will then have to be linked to the database by editing the publication record.<br />
<br />
Please be careful in editing publications that have been [[Help:How to verify data|primary verified]] by other editors. See [[Help:How to verify data#Making changes to verified pubs]]. But if you have a copy of an unverified publication, verifying it can be quite helpful. See [[Help:How to verify data]] for detailed information.<br />
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I hope you enjoy editing here! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>); this will insert your name and the date. If you need help, check out the [[ISFDB:Community Portal|community portal]], or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:45, 26 March 2024 (EDT)</div>
JLaTondre
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Ahasuerus&diff=682652
User talk:Ahasuerus
2024-03-24T22:53:03Z
<p>JLaTondre: /* Place Submission on Hold */</p>
<hr />
<div>See [[User talk:Ahasuerus/Archive]] for discussions prior to 2024.<br />
<br />
{| style="width: 85%" cellpadding="20" align="center"<br />
! style="background: #FFFF00; border: 2px solid; text-align: left; vertical-align: top; "| <br />
<center>PLEASE NOTE:</center><br />
If you're writing to inform me that you've either added a COVER IMAGE or NOTES to any of my VERIFIED PUBS, please follow [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Ahasuerus/Changes_to_Verified_Pubs&action=edit&section=1 THIS LINK] and add it to the bottom of the list. A link to the pub record would be appreciated. Once the pub has been reviewed, I'll remove your note from the list. Thanks!<br />
|}<br />
<br />
== Corrupted publication record ==<br />
<br />
I saw [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?589785 this one] on one of the cleanup reports. The software will not allow corrections. Do we need to create a new publication record and delete this one? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:53, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
<br />
: Could you please clarify what you mean by "the software will not allow corrections"? The External ID field had a very long URL (instead of an ID), which distorted the display in some browsers, but I could still access the "Edit" link by scrolling to the right in Firefox. I then found the right PORBASE ID and replaced the long URL with it. It seems to have fixed the issue. Does it look OK now? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:28, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
<br />
:: When I entered the correct PORBASE ID, It reverted back to the incorrect previous link when looking at the Proposed Publication Update Submission' screen. As a result, I cancelled the edit. Not sure why that didn't happen to you. Regardless, it is correct now. <br />
::P.S. It probably was allowing the change but the proposed changes column was likely off my screen. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:37, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
<br />
::: Oh, I see. I vaguely recall experimenting with HTML tables to ensure that they wouldn't do this at some resolutions, but I think I ran into various technical issues and catch-22s. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:44, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Human-Machines ==<br />
<br />
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17511; Archive.org cover has a price sticker so you may want to find another image to replace the unstable Amazon one that's there now. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:22, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
<br />
: Updated, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:33, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Hidden World ==<br />
<br />
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5884849; PDF, cover, Mantong. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:14, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
<br />
: Approved, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:56, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Deryni Magic Question ==<br />
<br />
Hi Ahasuerus -<br />
<br />
[[User:Anniemod|Annie]] has posed [[User talk:Rtrace#Deryni_Magic|this question]] on my talk page. I found that original edits may may have been yours back in 2006. Could you take a peek when you have a moment (and if you can remember why you did something 18 years ago!). Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:18, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
<br />
: Done. Thanks for the ping. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:49, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
<br />
== What we enter in the "Artist" field ==<br />
<br />
Ahasuerus: The table 'What we enter in the "Artist" field' which you created in your post 11:33, 19 February 2024 (EST) under [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Secondary_source_artist_credit_in_face_of_credit_change_over_time this thread] is very useful. It is much easier to follow and understand than the wording under bullet point "Artist" in [[Template:PublicationFields:CoverArt]]. I recently referred to the table for a separate issue about cover artists [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:GlennMcG#Theodore_Sturgeon_.2F_Beyond here].<br />
<br><br />
Could you please add the table to the help page. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:04, 24 February 2024 (EST)<br />
<br />
: Thanks for the reminder! I have been sick most of the last week and didn't want to touch Rules and Standards discussions until I was back up to 100%. Once I feel better, I'll make sure to check on the R&S page that it's OK to add the table to Help. Thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:50, 24 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::No problem. There is no hurry. I am sorry to hear you have been unwell and wish you a speedy recovery. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 12:47, 25 February 2024 (EST)<br />
<br />
::: Thank you! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:20, 25 February 2024 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Image backups ==<br />
<br />
Hi,<br />
<br />
I see you updated the downloads page to note that image backups are being redone. This reminds me of something that's puzzled me for a while, and which I meant to ask you about months (years?) ago.<br />
<br />
Am I right in thinking that when those zips are generated, it's not an incremental backup style thing where you just need to download the changes/deltas, but rather that they are completely regenerated, and that you'd have to download the full set of zips to have an accurate and complete collection? I vaguely recall that at some point in the past, I'd been downloading the zips in a fairly leisurely manner over a period of days/weeks, and had got maybe 80% of the way through them, and then the zips were regenerated, and I assumed that I had to restart the set.<br />
<br />
Would it be possible to have a bit more information on the download page about how they work? NB: I haven't actually ever done anything with the zips I downloaded - I rarely run the full Apache website locally, which I imagine is the main intended use case for the image backups - but I always thought they had the potential to be the foundation of an interesting project. Thanks! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 04:35, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
<br />
: That's right: the images hosted by Google Drive are a complete copy of the images hosted by the live ISFDB server. I have added a few more details to the description. Does it make more sense now? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:31, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks. What you've added makes sense, but it's still not clear (to me at least) from the text there that the directories all get updated when new zips are created. Are the 0-9/a-f (and the 2 digit subdirectories) just arbitrary hex digits, maybe the first digits of a checksum or something like that? (That question is slightly rhetorical; I imagine I could find the answer out for myself if I looked through the source code.)<br />
:: If the tarballs had date suffixes, similar to the database backups, then I think that would make it more obvious that the full set needs re-downloading. However, I guess the downside of that is that it would break any existing tooling for downloading the image backups, and that if you weren't careful you might end up with multiple dated tarballs and/or image directories. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:25, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
<br />
::: Oh, oh... OK, I think I see what the problem is. "0-9" and "a-f" are subdirectory names created by the MediWiki software to store uploaded images. I am so used to this naming convention that it never occurred to me that it may be confusing. A blind spot, if you will. Let me edit the page and explain the naming convention. Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:15, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
<br />
:::: Ha, I think this is also a blind spot on my part. Because I don't generally upload my own images (I think it must be in single digits) I forgot that that is all handled by the Mediawiki side of things, and it didn't cross my mind that the directory structure of the images was something that wasn't part of the core ISFDB code. Thanks for clarifying! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 05:31, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
<br />
== New hotlink site permission ==<br />
<br />
We have permission to hotlink cover images to a new site, possibly. You can see it [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk%3ALawDagstine&type=revision&diff=682322&oldid=682319 here]. If that is sufficient, can we add it to the list? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:18, 21 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:In anticipation of this being acceptable, there is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1000727 one publication] that is currently hotlinking to the site. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:29, 21 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:: All done. The [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1000727 publication page] now credits "Lawrence Dagstine". [[Template:Image Host Sites]] has been updated. Thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:58, 21 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:::Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:12, 21 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Place Submission on Hold ==<br />
<br />
After placing a submission on hold, it would be nice if the resultant page had links back to the submission - both the moderator view and the public view. Currently, it only has a link to the Submission List. But usually when I put something on hold, it is because I plan to do something with that submission. Yes, I can just hit the back button to get the moderator view again. But I often want the public view so I can include the link in a question to the submitter so having that on the on hold page would save a click. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:21, 24 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Thanks, I'll take a look. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:45, 24 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:: Done. Hopefully, the layout and the colors look OK. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:07, 24 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:::Thank you! Looks fine. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:52, 24 March 2024 (EDT)</div>
JLaTondre
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Ahasuerus&diff=682651
User talk:Ahasuerus
2024-03-24T22:52:55Z
<p>JLaTondre: /* Place Submission on Hold */</p>
<hr />
<div>See [[User talk:Ahasuerus/Archive]] for discussions prior to 2024.<br />
<br />
{| style="width: 85%" cellpadding="20" align="center"<br />
! style="background: #FFFF00; border: 2px solid; text-align: left; vertical-align: top; "| <br />
<center>PLEASE NOTE:</center><br />
If you're writing to inform me that you've either added a COVER IMAGE or NOTES to any of my VERIFIED PUBS, please follow [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Ahasuerus/Changes_to_Verified_Pubs&action=edit&section=1 THIS LINK] and add it to the bottom of the list. A link to the pub record would be appreciated. Once the pub has been reviewed, I'll remove your note from the list. Thanks!<br />
|}<br />
<br />
== Corrupted publication record ==<br />
<br />
I saw [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?589785 this one] on one of the cleanup reports. The software will not allow corrections. Do we need to create a new publication record and delete this one? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:53, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
<br />
: Could you please clarify what you mean by "the software will not allow corrections"? The External ID field had a very long URL (instead of an ID), which distorted the display in some browsers, but I could still access the "Edit" link by scrolling to the right in Firefox. I then found the right PORBASE ID and replaced the long URL with it. It seems to have fixed the issue. Does it look OK now? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:28, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
<br />
:: When I entered the correct PORBASE ID, It reverted back to the incorrect previous link when looking at the Proposed Publication Update Submission' screen. As a result, I cancelled the edit. Not sure why that didn't happen to you. Regardless, it is correct now. <br />
::P.S. It probably was allowing the change but the proposed changes column was likely off my screen. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:37, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
<br />
::: Oh, I see. I vaguely recall experimenting with HTML tables to ensure that they wouldn't do this at some resolutions, but I think I ran into various technical issues and catch-22s. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:44, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Human-Machines ==<br />
<br />
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17511; Archive.org cover has a price sticker so you may want to find another image to replace the unstable Amazon one that's there now. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:22, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
<br />
: Updated, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:33, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Hidden World ==<br />
<br />
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5884849; PDF, cover, Mantong. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:14, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
<br />
: Approved, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:56, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Deryni Magic Question ==<br />
<br />
Hi Ahasuerus -<br />
<br />
[[User:Anniemod|Annie]] has posed [[User talk:Rtrace#Deryni_Magic|this question]] on my talk page. I found that original edits may may have been yours back in 2006. Could you take a peek when you have a moment (and if you can remember why you did something 18 years ago!). Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:18, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
<br />
: Done. Thanks for the ping. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:49, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
<br />
== What we enter in the "Artist" field ==<br />
<br />
Ahasuerus: The table 'What we enter in the "Artist" field' which you created in your post 11:33, 19 February 2024 (EST) under [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Secondary_source_artist_credit_in_face_of_credit_change_over_time this thread] is very useful. It is much easier to follow and understand than the wording under bullet point "Artist" in [[Template:PublicationFields:CoverArt]]. I recently referred to the table for a separate issue about cover artists [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:GlennMcG#Theodore_Sturgeon_.2F_Beyond here].<br />
<br><br />
Could you please add the table to the help page. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:04, 24 February 2024 (EST)<br />
<br />
: Thanks for the reminder! I have been sick most of the last week and didn't want to touch Rules and Standards discussions until I was back up to 100%. Once I feel better, I'll make sure to check on the R&S page that it's OK to add the table to Help. Thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:50, 24 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::No problem. There is no hurry. I am sorry to hear you have been unwell and wish you a speedy recovery. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 12:47, 25 February 2024 (EST)<br />
<br />
::: Thank you! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:20, 25 February 2024 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Image backups ==<br />
<br />
Hi,<br />
<br />
I see you updated the downloads page to note that image backups are being redone. This reminds me of something that's puzzled me for a while, and which I meant to ask you about months (years?) ago.<br />
<br />
Am I right in thinking that when those zips are generated, it's not an incremental backup style thing where you just need to download the changes/deltas, but rather that they are completely regenerated, and that you'd have to download the full set of zips to have an accurate and complete collection? I vaguely recall that at some point in the past, I'd been downloading the zips in a fairly leisurely manner over a period of days/weeks, and had got maybe 80% of the way through them, and then the zips were regenerated, and I assumed that I had to restart the set.<br />
<br />
Would it be possible to have a bit more information on the download page about how they work? NB: I haven't actually ever done anything with the zips I downloaded - I rarely run the full Apache website locally, which I imagine is the main intended use case for the image backups - but I always thought they had the potential to be the foundation of an interesting project. Thanks! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 04:35, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
<br />
: That's right: the images hosted by Google Drive are a complete copy of the images hosted by the live ISFDB server. I have added a few more details to the description. Does it make more sense now? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:31, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks. What you've added makes sense, but it's still not clear (to me at least) from the text there that the directories all get updated when new zips are created. Are the 0-9/a-f (and the 2 digit subdirectories) just arbitrary hex digits, maybe the first digits of a checksum or something like that? (That question is slightly rhetorical; I imagine I could find the answer out for myself if I looked through the source code.)<br />
:: If the tarballs had date suffixes, similar to the database backups, then I think that would make it more obvious that the full set needs re-downloading. However, I guess the downside of that is that it would break any existing tooling for downloading the image backups, and that if you weren't careful you might end up with multiple dated tarballs and/or image directories. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:25, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
<br />
::: Oh, oh... OK, I think I see what the problem is. "0-9" and "a-f" are subdirectory names created by the MediWiki software to store uploaded images. I am so used to this naming convention that it never occurred to me that it may be confusing. A blind spot, if you will. Let me edit the page and explain the naming convention. Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:15, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
<br />
:::: Ha, I think this is also a blind spot on my part. Because I don't generally upload my own images (I think it must be in single digits) I forgot that that is all handled by the Mediawiki side of things, and it didn't cross my mind that the directory structure of the images was something that wasn't part of the core ISFDB code. Thanks for clarifying! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 05:31, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
<br />
== New hotlink site permission ==<br />
<br />
We have permission to hotlink cover images to a new site, possibly. You can see it [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk%3ALawDagstine&type=revision&diff=682322&oldid=682319 here]. If that is sufficient, can we add it to the list? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:18, 21 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:In anticipation of this being acceptable, there is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1000727 one publication] that is currently hotlinking to the site. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:29, 21 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:: All done. The [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1000727 publication page] now credits "Lawrence Dagstine". [[Template:Image Host Sites]] has been updated. Thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:58, 21 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:::Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:12, 21 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Place Submission on Hold ==<br />
<br />
After placing a submission on hold, it would be nice if the resultant page had links back to the submission - both the moderator view and the public view. Currently, it only has a link to the Submission List. But usually when I put something on hold, it is because I plan to do something with that submission. Yes, I can just hit the back button to get the moderator view again. But I often want the public view so I can include the link in a question to the submitter so having that on the on hold page would save a click. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:21, 24 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Thanks, I'll take a look. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:45, 24 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:: Done. Hopefully, the layout and the colors look OK. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:07, 24 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
::Thank you! Looks fine. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:52, 24 March 2024 (EDT)</div>
JLaTondre
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:R.J.Ren&diff=682620
User talk:R.J.Ren
2024-03-24T18:18:51Z
<p>JLaTondre: /* R. J. Ren */</p>
<hr />
<div><br />
==Welcome!==<br />
<br />
Hello, {{PAGENAME}}, and welcome to the ISFDB Wiki! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:<br />
*[[Help:Contents|Help pages]]<br />
*[[Help:Screen:NewPub|Field-by-field guide to entering new publications into the database]]<br />
*[[Help:Getting Started]]<br />
*[[Help:Contents/Purpose|What the ISFDB Wiki is for]]<br />
*[[ISFDB:FAQ|FAQ]]<br />
*[[Help:Editing|Wiki editing help]] - Tips on how to use the wiki-specific features when editing wiki pages.<br />
*[[Help:Wiki Conventions|Wiki Conventions]] - How things are usually done on this wiki.<br />
*[[Help:How to upload images to the ISFDB wiki]] <br />
<br />
'''Note''': Image uploading isn't entirely automated. You're uploading the files to the wiki which will then have to be linked to the database by editing the publication record.<br />
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== R. J. Ren ==<br />
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I have had to reject your edit to {{A|R. J. Ren}} as it contained an unallowed image source and unsourced biographical information. Please see [[ISFDB:Image linking permissions]] for a list of sites we are allowed to use or your can upload a local image if you'd like. I updated the author page to include your website and real name (since it was mentioned on the website). Please let me know if you have any questions. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:18, 24 March 2024 (EDT)</div>
JLaTondre
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2024-03-24T18:18:36Z
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== R. J. Ren ==<br />
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I have had to reject your edit to {{A|R. J. Ren}} as it contained an unallowed image source and unsourced biographical information. Please see [[ISFDB:Image linking permissions]] for a list of sites we are allowed to use or your can upload a local image if you'd like. I did updated the author page to include your website and real name (since it was mentioned on the website). Please let me know if you have any questions. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:18, 24 March 2024 (EDT)</div>
JLaTondre
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Mythicdelirium&diff=682612
User talk:Mythicdelirium
2024-03-24T17:48:38Z
<p>JLaTondre: /* Blood and Brine */ new section</p>
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<div>{{Welcome}} [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 01:35, 21 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Mythic Delirium 1 ==<br />
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Thanks for submitting what I hope is the first of many issues! I've made a few adjustments to conform to ISFDB standards, you can see the results {{P|361986|here}}. Basically I added the issue number so that it will appear separately from any other issues like {{P|361619|Number 20}} (a stub record I created to record the Rhysling Award Winner). You seem to have got all the titles and author names in nicely standard format already, which is frankly quite unusual, well done! [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 01:55, 21 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Minor questions - are you in a position to grant us permission to lift the cover image from mythicdelirium.com ? If not, we'd rather have a local copy uploaded, or a link to an approved site, than end up accused of "bandwidth theft". And for {{T|1327991|The Reluctant Heretic (from "Inquisition Sonnets")}}, is "from Inquisition Sonnets" actually part of the title, or is it a comment on where else it has been published? If the latter, we'd want to record "Inquisition Sonnets" as a separate collection or anthology with that as one of the contents. (We do try to be very complete.) Thanks for contributing! [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 01:55, 21 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I am indeed in a position to grant that permission. Permission granted! [[User:Mythicdelirium|Mythicdelirium]] 00:06, 28 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: OK, I'll try and remember where I am supposed to record that permission so that every other Mod knows to allow such. Thanks! [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 00:59, 28 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: And "from Inquisition Sonnets" is part of the title. I didn't see this stuff till after I uploaded Issue 2 information, will adjust accordingly. [[User:Mythicdelirium|Mythicdelirium]] 00:06, 28 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: We can't spot new editors just from account creation, we have to wait for actual submissions and then we'll jump on them with (hopefully helpful) welcomes and pointers to the help pages, and then offer advice. You're unusually good for a beginner, did you actually read our help before you started? [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 00:59, 28 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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I did! [[User:Mythicdelirium|Mythicdelirium]] 04:22, 28 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Mythic Delirium 2-4 ==<br />
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Thanks for these! As before, pretty good submissions and I only made minor changes: a "." after the "P" in {{A|Deborah P. Kolodji}} and a space after "J." for {{A|J. W. Donnelly}} and after the "K." for {{A|K. S. Hardy}}. The software can cope with slight differences in case but isn't so good with punctuation. :-/ [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 01:20, 28 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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I adjusted "$5" to "$5.00" to conform with our standard - I'm not sure why we have that standard, but I'm English and understand as much of the reasoning as there is behind our entries for "Pounds, Shillings and Pence" for older British publications. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 01:20, 28 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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As to "I added four too many content fields and couldn't figure out how to remove them. Sorry about that!" - don't worry, we wouldn't have noticed if you hadn't mentioned it, the software removed the excess for us anyway. I think there is a problem if you leave an entirely blank entry and still have some more after that - the software stops at the end of the list or at the first blank entry, so it's best not to leave a gap. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 01:20, 28 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Anyway, I look forward to the rest of your submissions, you're a pleasure to work with so far. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 01:20, 28 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Well, thank you! (I submitted one more before I saw these.) [[User:Mythicdelirium|Mythicdelirium]] 04:23, 28 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Typical... ==<br />
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... You wait two weeks for another issue to come along, give up waiting and make your own way, then it arrives! :-/ <br />
I've been entering stubs for all the missing issues today - see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?30155 here] so please work on adjusting those rather than submitting totally new editions - and let ME know where I went wrong. I'll try and tidy up the issues we crossed on. Thanks for coming back to it! [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:36, 16 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: "illustration" is a bit too vague - please use the name of the story it illustrates, or if it's not illustrating any particular story, give it the name of the caption, or if it doesn't even have that, add the name of the publication it's in as a suffix. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:51, 16 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: Thanks for the page numbers and illustrations for Issue 22. As above, please consider a better name than "illustration". And regular columns like "Myths & Delusions" should have the name of the publication it's in as a suffix - it would save space here to merge them all, but somebody might want to add details about what each particularly essay was about, so we try and disambiguate them. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 23:31, 16 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Also, {{T|1339805|Tim Millins}} looks suspiciously like a typo for {{A|Tim Mullins}}, can you double-check please? [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:51, 16 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Thanks for the notes! Will fix to conform. (And, yes, that's a typo.) --[[User:Mythicdelirium|Mythicdelirium]] 04:30, 17 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Frontispiece titling ==<br />
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(entitlement?) Hi, and welcome. It's not at all clear in the help, but for that Mullins artwork in {{P|364292|Mythic Delirum, Free Sampler Issue, 2004}}, if it's titled "frontispiece", what you have done is fine. If it's an untitled frontispiece, we would use the name of the publication instead (i.e., "Mythic Delirum, Free Sampler Issue, 2004"), and you can optionally add " (frontispiece)" to that. If you think about it from the artist's "bibliography" point of view ({{A|Tim Mullins}}), multiple frontispieces "frontispiece" would be indistinguishable from one another. Thanks, and thank you for contributing. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:19, 17 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:In this case, it's actually an illustration reprinted from a previous issue. How should that be handled? --[[User:Mythicdelirium|Mythicdelirium]] 03:08, 19 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::In a bit of a coincidence, we've recently been discussing [[Rules_and_standards_discussions#Merging_Artwork|artwork handling]], although that is more focused on cover art then reused elsewhere. If the illustration is not titled/captioned, then what we'd do is give each the title appropriate for its use (e.g., where it illustrated a story, we'd use "Story Title", and where it's the frontispiece we'd use "Mythic Delerium, Free Sampler Issue, 2004 (frontispiece)"). Then we would make the reprint a "variant" of the original, which would cause both to show up as related in Mullins' bibliographic summary. I'm happy to set this up if you tell me which is the other printing. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:56, 19 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::If you would like to try it yourself.... If you go to the {{T|1339805|frontispiece}}, at the left you will see "Edit Title Data" (where you could change the title itself, its date, etc.), and you will also see "Make this Title a Variant Title or Pseudonymous Work". That latter lets you do the linking. To link to an existing title, you need to know its ID, which is the number you see at the end of the URL when you are viewing it. E.g., for the frontispiece, the URL will appear as '''<nowiki>http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1339805</nowiki>''', so the ID for the frontispiece title is '''1339805'''. You would need to do this with the other printing, then come back to the frontispiece and make it the variant, using that other printing's ID as the "parent ID". Feel free to try it -- you can't hurt anything -- and ask if you get stuck. You're also under no obligation; I'm happy to take care of it if you'd rather. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:56, 19 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Multiple illustrations for the same work ==<br />
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Hi again. One more thing.... If you have multiple pieces of art illustrating the same story, we add "[2]", "[3]", etc. on the subsequent ones. (Sorry, I don't know why we don't add "[1]" to the first one). I did this for the pieces in {{P|364291|Issue 6}} so you can see what it looks like. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:36, 17 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Mythic Delirium, July–September 2013 ==<br />
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Hello, I've approved your submission for this issue of the magazine. I've made some changes to conform to our standards: 1) deleted SeriesNum ("0.1") either this goes at title level or in the notes as you did, 2) added currency symbol (remember that we're an international outfit and that not everyone here uses USD), 3) deleted PubSeries info (a magazine is not a publication series, an information that only concern other types of books), 4) uploaded a scan into our system as we're not allowed to deeplink to the specified website, 5) regularized "C.S.E. Cooney" to "C. S. E. Cooney" (as is already present in the db), 6) set the date to 2013-07 (we use the cover date for magazines). The result is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?595454 here]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 18:15, 27 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Your recent submissions ==<br />
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Hello, during the approving phase for your recent submission, I've moticed some little things to be ironed out: 1) when disambiguating multiple illustrations for the same text, use "[]" instead of "()" so I've transformed <i>The Serpent Explains the Nature of Tricksters to His Wife (2) </i> into <i>The Serpent Explains the Nature of Tricksters to His Wife [2]</i>; 2) remember to variant the pseudonymistic titles after approval, so (for example) all titles by Paula Friedlander should be varianted to the canonical author Paula Arwen Owen; 3) do not hesitate to normalize (ISFDB-wise, e.g. adding spaces and full stops) some author's names, for example your recently created [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?240848 K J Pereira] is very likely [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?186152 K. L. Pereira]. Thanks for adding precious data to the db. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 07:20, 29 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Magazine titles, issue numbers, and dates ==<br />
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It's counter-intuitive, but if you'd like the issue number to show up in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?30155 magazine grid], put the number AFTER the comma in the title. E.g., ''Mythic Delirium, 5 Summer/Fall 2001''. You can put another comma between the number and date if you want to. The grid works by finding the first comma from the left and taking everything after that for the display, dropping any 4-digit year. See, for example, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?26273 Clarksworld] or for something really funky [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?26716 Crypt of Cthulhu]. You do not have to do it this way, I'm just mentioning it so that you're aware of the possibility. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:35, 3 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Aha, I see! I've been trying to standardize how the issues are named as I go, but knowing this, I'll adjust accordingly. --[[User:Mythicdelirium|Mythicdelirium]] 16:52, 3 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Seriesnum ==<br />
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Hello, as said [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Mythicdelirium#Mythic_Delirium.2C_July.E2.80.93September_2013 above] this field is useless for magazine and will disappear when the yearly grouping will be done. I've rejected your submissions and only kept the other changes.. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 18:14, 3 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Author's names ==<br />
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Hello, please remember that we systematically enter spaces between initials so I changed your proposed "Lucien E.G. Spelman" (unknown to us) to "Lucien E. G. Spelman" ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?137532 that is known to us]). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 07:40, 5 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Thank you. A further question--how do I handle indicating a reprint? (For example, every poem and illustration in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?444768 Issue 30] is a reprint.) Is that done using the "make variant" feature?--[[User:Mythicdelirium|Mythicdelirium]] 15:42, 5 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::You should enter the first publication dates (if known) into the associated fields for the contents (or, if the title is already in the database, you can leave tha one out, and merge the titles in a further step). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:50, 5 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
::It's also possible to import single titles (also via the toolbar on the left). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:50, 5 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::Note that I've merged all the pre-existing titles.[[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 16:53, 5 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Introducton (Disturbing Muses) ==<br />
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Would you please double check the spelling of "introducton" in {{T|2095318|Introducton (Disturbing Muses)}} (from your verified {{P|596613|Disturbing Muses}})? If the typo is only in the database, it should be corrected. If the typo is also in the pub, a note should be added. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 03:29, 31 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Thank you for spotting that, I fixed it.--[[User:Mythicdelirium|Mythicdelirium]] 20:10, 3 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Mythic Delirium, Issue 4.1, July–September 2017 ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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I accepted your addition of {{P|624322|Mythic Delirium, Issue 4.1, July–September 2017}}. However I moved the site reference from the title record to the notes in the publication record - we save editors by having a single title per year (I did the merge for this issue) so a single issue reference does not fit on the title level. It would have been lost after the merge so I moved it. Feel free to reword the message in the Pub not if you would like a different wording. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:42, 3 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== KL Pereira ==<br />
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Could you confirm that you print KL Pereira's name without periods between the initials, and that is the way she wants it printed? I am trying to get the database to use that spelling for her name. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 16:06, 22 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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:I can confirm that she prefers KL, no periods. I have a DM in my records in which she specifically answered that question.--[[User:Mythicdelirium|Mythicdelirium]] 20:27, 30 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Strange Wisdoms of the Dead ==<br />
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Hello,<br />
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I approved your addition of the image [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?662457 here] but reversed the change in the coverart title and date and added the new details as a note to the record. Even when a well-known picture is used as a cover, the name of the record should remain the same as the title of the book and you can add the details for the actual picture as a note. In case the picture is used as an interior art somewhere, then the cover can be varianted to it but we do not generally create titles for the original art itself in cases like this. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:42, 22 April 2018 (EDT<br />
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== A Sinister Quartet ==<br />
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Hello. I've accepted your submission of {{p|774892|A Sinister Quartet}}, but had to make a few changes:<br />
*I've disambiguated the ''Introduction'' and changed it to ''Introduction (A Sinister Quartet)'' (that is what we do with common titles such as ''Introduction''), and instead of having ''The Sinister Quartet'' as author, replaced it with the actual authors - presuming that is what you wanted? Mind that if this ''Introduction'' is not actually credited to anyone in the publication itself, then the author must be changed to ''uncredited'' instead - and a note added provinding additional explanation.<br />
*Similarly, I've had to update the essay's author to ''uncredited'' as I suspect this essay is not credited? If it is, do replace ''The Authors'' with the actual author or authors of said essay (and an extra explanatory note as needed).<br />
*And finally, you can always add excerpts to the Contents as SHORTFICTION. For example, the first one would become "Life on the Sun (excerpt)" by C. S. E. Cooney. I leave it to you if you want to add them to the Contents or not - if you do, no need to update the notes. They can stay as-is since they provide additional information. Thanks! -[[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:43, 23 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Thank you! In the book the introduction is credited to "The Sinister Quartet" with the copyright crediting all four authors, so I suppose that is fine. I wasn't sure if I could make entries for the excerpts without having them crop up under the author entries as separate stories, which I thought would be strange.--[[User:Mythicdelirium|Mythicdelirium]] 14:20, 23 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: You're welcome! Feel free to add the excerpts, but either way is fine. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:39, 23 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Aftermath of an Industrial Accident ==<br />
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I converted your pub note regarding the interior art for {{P|780650|Aftermath of an Industrial Accident}} into an interior art record. We record the art as part of the contents. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:46, 19 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Lackington's, Spring 2020 ==<br />
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I accepted your additions of {{P|811375|Lackington's, Spring 2020}} and {{P|811376|Lackington's, Fall 2020}}, but had to make a couple of changes:<br />
*Interior Art: If you are using single record to capture the interior art, the record title should be the same as the publication. I changed the titles from "Interior illustrations" to the pub title. However, for a magazine with story illustrations, we'd normally enter the individual illustrations (as titled after the story). See {{P|60030|this example}}.<br />
*Author Initials: If an author's names has an initial & period, we place a space after the period (so A.Z. Louise becomes {{A|A. Z. Louise}})<br />
The publisher's website shows a Foreword also. If this is present in the ebook, it should be added also (as "Foreword (ISSUE TITLE)"). Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:57, 6 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Blood and Brine ==<br />
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I accepted your addition of {{P|1001055|Blood and Brine}}, but had to make some changes:<br />
*As this consists of multiple works, it is a collection. A chapbook, in ISFDB usage, is a publication of a single story (or poem) less than novel length. I changed the format.<br />
*When uploading cover image, please wait until the new publication has been accepted and then use the "Upload cover scan" option on the publication page. This will place the publication in the correct location and add the necessary templates. I have moved your image and applied the template.<br />
Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:48, 24 March 2024 (EDT)</div>
JLaTondre
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:BLDNDBRNCD2007.jpg&diff=682611
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2024-03-24T17:41:17Z
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|Title=Blood and Brine<br />
|Edition=Ash Phoenix Books 2007 ph<br />
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|Publisher=Ash Phoenix Books<br />
|Artist=John William Waterhouse<br />
|ArtistId=71191<br />
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JLaTondre
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:BLDNDBRNCD2007.jpg&diff=682610
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2024-03-24T17:40:01Z
<p>JLaTondre: JLaTondre moved page File:Blood and Brine .jpg to File:BLDNDBRNCD2007.jpg without leaving a redirect: correct location</p>
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
Cover image for BLOOD AND BRINE by Jaime Lee Moyer, published by Ash Phoenix Books in March 2006. Cover art, "A Mermaid" by John William Waterhouse, 1901.</div>
JLaTondre
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Lem&diff=682609
User talk:Lem
2024-03-24T17:37:14Z
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Please be careful in editing publications that have been [[Help:How to verify data|primary verified]] by other editors. See [[Help:How to verify data#Making changes to verified pubs]]. But if you have a copy of an unverified publication, verifying it can be quite helpful. See [[Help:How to verify data]] for detailed information.<br />
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I hope you enjoy editing here! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>); this will insert your name and the date. If you need help, check out the [[ISFDB:Community Portal|community portal]], or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome!<br />
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== ''Islands in the Sky'' ==<br />
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Hi, and welcome. I accepted your change to record the artist on {{P|212965|Islands in the Sky}}. When the artist is not explicitly credited, we record the source of the identification in the pub notes. So I took your note-to-the-moderator about the RAO signature and added it to the pub notes with a "Cover artist not credited" leader. Please review and make sure you agree.<br />
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Also, if you have a copy of the book, it would be very helpful if you made yourself a primary verifier. There are no onerous responsibilities that come with that, it just lets us know a human being looked at the actual book and also tells other editors to come to you if they have any questions that could be answered by having you take another look at your copy. To do a verification, follow the link I gave above and then click the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/verify.cgi?212965 Verify this Pub] link at the bottom of the Editing Tools menu at the left. In the top section, make sure "Permanent Verification" is checked, and click Verify. That's all there is to it!<br />
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If you have any questions or need any help, just ask. You can reply to this by editing this section. Indent your response by adding a colon at the front of your new text to separate it visually from mine (each colon gets another level of indentation). Also see the links in the welcome message above for many other places to go for information and help. Thanks, and thank you for contributing. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:15, 9 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
: As one of those primary verifiers for the book, I'm one of those who missed seeing the initials on the cover. Looking at my copy, I still don't see it. My cover image is cropped in the lower left to actually touch the planet. Does yours extend further? Or is it hiding in plain sight? (I sucked at Myst - could never find anything). ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 13:55, 9 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
::I did find an example [https://strangerthansf.com/reviews/clarke-islandsinthesky.html here] and [https://unsubscribedblog.wordpress.com/tag/kenneth-bulmer/ here] (about 1/2 way down), which seem to be the same cover scan, judging from the corner defects. They seem to be showing something at the bottom left that might be "<garbled> A O". It clearly has more of the painting below the bottom edge of the planet. I also found [https://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=30909393313&searchurl=sortby%3D20%26tn%3Dislands%2Bsky%26an%3Dclarke%2Barthur&cm_sp=snippet-_-srp4-_-image20#&gid=1&pid=1 this], which looks like it has an R there and that RAO sort of slopes from left to right, with R tallest, then A a little shorter, the O shortest. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:30, 10 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
: hi, and thanks for the User Talk and Editing info. The changes you made look fine and I did add myself as the primary verifier (why is the "transient" option there and when would it be used?). Regarding the RAO signature on the front cover - it is definitely in the bottom left hand corner below the planet....the last copy you showed is my copy used for this entry and currently on sale at ABE :)....thanks again, [[User:Lem|Lem]] 13:25, 11 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
::I use transient verification when I have the book but don't plan on keeping it. I volunteer with a charity that does book sales and process much of their SF. If I see something odd, I'll bring it home and enter/verify it. So Primary means you have/had the book and can vouch the data was correct - Permanent means you still have it if someone has questions and Transient means you don't. Which means that if someone subsequently modifies the entry, it can look like you agree with the information unless you check dates and history (a recent upgrade). As for this particular book - I keep scans of all my covers regardless of how or whether I verify it. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 14:47, 11 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: what would you do in my case with this book? maybe change my verification from permanent to transient in case I sell it? not likely that I would recall this entry to make the change a year or two down the road when the book may or may not sell.... [[User:Lem|Lem]] 21:17, 11 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
::I'd leave it Permanent. The point is not to say you remember the entry, it's to say you have access to the book to check something, if asked. Try to remember to change the verification when you get rid of the book, but don't sweat it. We probably lose access to more 'permanent' verifications by losing people than books. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 08:04, 12 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: That's funny....ok thanks for the help. [[User:Lem|Lem]] 18:45, 12 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::A belated thought about this: You should update the cover scan with the one that is less cropped and shows the initials. To do that, go [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:SLNDSNTHSK1963.jpg here] and scroll down to where you find "Upload a new version of this file" and click on that. You can say in the summary that you're replacing it with a fuller image showing the artist's signature. Then also edit the page and changed Scanned by Bluesman to Scanned by yourself. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:30, 17 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Space, Space, Space ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4983671 this submission]:<br />
*One of the pub notes added is "There is price on the inside front flap but rather the number: 125125". Did you mean there is NOT a price?<br />
*You mentioned not be able to figure out how to add a dustjacket photo. To do that, go to the image page ([[:Image:SPCSPCSPCH0000.jpg]]) and click the "Upload a new version of this file" near the bottom of the file. It may not look like the image was replaced when done, but it will have worked. If you see the same image, you will need to force your browse cache to refresh (usually Ctr-F5) due to a bug in the wiki software. <br />
Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:00, 16 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: hi, and thanks. Yes, there is NO price, just that number, sorry. I did get to the image page but it says my file (one picture) is too large....I am not sure if/how I can downsize my image? Best, [[User:Lem|Lem]] 09:17, 17 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
::I added the missing "no" for the price. For the image, you would need image editing software (if you are on Windows you can use Paint though it is not the nicest) and re-size the image so that it is smaller. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:02, 22 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
: ok thanks again, I will fiddle around some more and see if I can downsize the image. [[User:Lem|Lem]] 22:05, 25 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Glide Path'' ==<br />
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Hi. I have on hold your proposed clone of ''Glide Path''. Different printing locations would be a reason to make different publication records. The permanent and transient verifiers of the record you want to clone are active, so I've asked them to check for a printing statement. Once we see what they say, we'll know whether a new record is warranted. It might take a few days to get responses. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:45, 21 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
:hi, I am not sure what the initial verifiers can do if their copies are only the U.S. printings?? [[User:Lem|Lem]] 17:38, 29 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
::They could verify that what they have is a U.S. printing (as opposed to the same Canadian one you have). But I got an I-don't-have-the-book from the transient verifier and no response yet from the other verifier, so I'm going to accept your clone submission. I will add to the pub notes your note about the Printed in Canada statement. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:33, 30 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Done. See {{P|854554|here}}. But now a question I should have thought of before: Should that $0.50 price be C$0.50? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:35, 30 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
: thanks, I would say yes based ISFDB records that I see (though none of the CDN printings distinguish U.S. to CDN dollars). [[User:Lem|Lem]] 13:53, 31 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Futuredays: A Nineteenth Century Vision of the Year 2000 ==<br />
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Hi Ray. In [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5070793 your submission], you asked ''hi, my copy of this book is a hardcover with dustjacket. Price and ISBN the same as here. Should this be cloned? Ray''.<br><br />
Short answer: No. Long answer: I did some browsing on the 'net, and most sources say it's a hc. Together with the evidence that you hold a hc in your hands, I'd say update the current record - and add a cover scan while you're at it :) Also, since you have the book, consider primary verifying the publication record (left-hand menu 'Verify This Pub') - this signifies that you attest to the veracity of the data. Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:45, 1 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Related to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5073161 this submission of yours] (which I had to reject); comments like these should not go into title notes. Please post these in the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal Community Portal], or better yet, submit an update of the record (with supporting evidence in notes). If you don't know how, reply here, or over at the Community Portal. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:54, 6 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: I am confused. We both agree the title is a hardcover so why not change the format designation? Am I missing something? thanks, Ray [[User:Lem|Lem]] 23:22, 9 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Sorry about the confusion. We have two topics here:<br />
:::1) hc: yes, I agree with you. But. You didn't submit an update of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?177717 the publication record]. So, I had to reject [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5070793 your original submission] because you didn't actually change anything, you only asked a question in the 'Notes to Moderators' field. So, do submit an edit that will correct the format from pb to hc (no clone!) and it'll get approved. <br> By the way, unless you specifically ask, moderators do not update records for you - the practice is that you yourself are submitting corrections that moderators then approve :)<br />
:::2) [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5073161 That other submission of yours] is unrelated and has nothing to do with the first. Hope this clarifies. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 06:31, 10 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: I think that I get it now, modified pub data submitted, thanks for the help. Ray [[User:Lem|Lem]] 23:48, 10 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::: And approved! Something else that you are encouraged to do is to primary verify this publication - doing so means that you have verified the data against the actual physical book, and that you attest to the veracity of the information. You can do this by displaying the pub record, and then select 'Verify this Pub' from the left-hand menu. Also, you can upload the cover - after you've uploaded the cover via the 'Upload new cover scan' hyperlink that you can find below the pub data, right click on the picture, select 'Copy image address', and then edit the pub record and paste that image address into the Image URL field. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 07:29, 11 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Stepford Wives ==<br />
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About your question about that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5100952 one]: When you look at the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?376649 book], click on the name of the Primary Verifier. It will lead to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Markwood his user page]. Click on "discussion". It will open [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Markwood their talk page]. Press the + sign, leave them a message to ask about the price of the book and when they respond, we can see what needs to be done here.<br />
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Also - when you have just a question, posting directly on their page or in Community Support will make it more visible than buried in a submission. <br />
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Let me know if you want me to send the message to the PV or if you want to try. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:35, 28 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: hi, sent note to Primary Verifier, waiting for response, thank you, [[User:Lem|Lem]] 10:31, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: You left it on their userpage though and not talk :) I moved it [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Markwood#The_Stepford_Wives where it belongs] and added a link to the book so he knows which book you are asking about :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:37, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: You have a response - which you may not see as I had to move the message and you are not monitoring the correct page. So heads up. Cick on my link above and you will see the response. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:05, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::Thanks, yes, I see the response - so what's next? can you use my original submission to update the record (price) or do you want me to submit another edit submission? [[User:Lem|Lem]] 20:38, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::: We cannot edit submissions - so even if I unreject the old one, it does not have the price change in it. That's why it is not a good idea to send a submission to ask a question - the submission will need to be rejected anyway, a new one will be needed and someone will need to start a thread to answer. Much faster to just post the thread - on the PV's page or in Community Support and once it is clear what is to be done, a submission to be added :) <br />
::::: So someone will need to make a new submission to change the price and add a note. You may as well do it. Unless you want me to. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:06, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::::: Done. Thanks for your help. [[User:Lem|Lem]] 14:25, 5 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Do primary verify Silence in Heaven ==<br />
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Hello, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5485717 this] (and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5487730 other]) submissions of yours state in the note to moderators that you own the book. If you do, please do primary verify the publication record. Doing so signifies that the data is as in the actual book (as you've verified the data against your copy). Use the 'Verify This Pub' from the menu on the left of the publication page. Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 12:39, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: Done, thanks. [[User:Lem|Lem]] ([[User talk:Lem|talk]])<br />
== Burbank the Northerner ==<br />
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I have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5470890 your submission] on hold as I have some remarks:<br />
* A (jacket) designer is generally not credited as cover art artist (unless it's very clear that the designer did the art as well). So, statement in the notes is fine, adding a cover art record, less so.<br />
* Where did you get the $3.00 price from? The Jules Verne Encyclopedia states price is $2.75. If you have a different source, you'd need to add that to the notes, without removing valid data (meaning, you'd have to add a note stating that the Jules Verne encyclopedia says $2.75, and where your price of $3.00 is coming from.<br />
* Also, do upload the cover of this book that you own (you could scan it, or take a picture). Uploading is quite straigtforward: on the publication page, click on the [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Special:Upload?wpDestFile=BRBNKTHNRB1965.jpg&wpUploadDescription=%7B%7BCID1%0A%7CTitle%3DBurbank%20the%20Northerner%0A%7CEdition%3DAssociated%20Booksellers%201965%20hc%0A%7CPub%3DBRBNKTHNRB1965%0A%7CPublisher%3DAssociated%20Booksellers%0A%7CArtist%3DUnknown%0A%7CSource%3DScanned%20by%20%5B%5BUser%3AMagicUnk%5D%5D%7D%7D 'upload cover scan'] link, choose and upload your cover picture (make sure it's not bigger than 600 pixels large, and 200B in size). When that's done, right-click the picture and select 'copy image address' and use that to update the publication record. That's it.<br />
Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 12:48, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:::Hi, regarding cover design versus cover art I think you are right in order to maintain consistency with other ISFDB records. (I do think that AB/Arco used "design" a bit liberally as most of these editions either have Jozef Gross or William Langstaffe as the cover 'designer' so I think they actually did the, rather rudimentary, cover art). Next, regarding the changes, I will maintain my requests for updates: I have a copy of The Jules Verne Enclopedia in my library and I see the entry. However, my copy is copyright dated 1963 (with no other printings listed) and front dust jacket flap priced (with no stickers, etc.) at $3.00. All booksellers of this edition on ABE list the pub date as 1963. Therefore, the Encyclopedia is incorrect. Perhaps, we can include a note to that effect (that it is incorrect). If you approve of my research and physical copy in my possession, then I will Verify the Pub subsequently. Regarding photo inclusion. I have tried to follow similar directions to your own (thank you) previously with no success - not sure if it is a pixel/size issue - but I can't get it to work, so I have just given up (for now) trying to provide photos of any submissions I make to ISFDB. Thank you again, Ray. [[User:Lem|Lem]] ([[User talk:Lem|talk]]) 21:43, 26 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5495909; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5495910; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5495911; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5495912; I made those edits today which are awaiting approval at the top of a long list; no idea how this will conflict with your edits, so letting everyone know so there's no accidental overlap/deletion of info. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:57, 26 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Has there been any update to the remarks above? thanks, Ray [[User:Lem|Lem]] ([[User talk:Lem|talk]])<br />
::: I've approved your submission, and added further clarification to the notes that encyclopedia says $2.75, whereas front flap says $3.00. Left Gross as artist, but again, be conservative when adding artists credited as designer. I've also approved Username's edits. Have a look, and add more clarification if needed. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 15:13, 9 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:::: Thank you, all looks good. ~<br />
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::::: Just wondering, in the interest of uniformity, if (both) the date of publication note and the listing of Jozef Gross as the artist, should be replicated for the Arco edition? As far as I know, Arco and AB editions in the Fitzroy series were issued simultaneously with the same book and cover design. ~<br />
== Photographs ==<br />
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Regarding your question in the moderator notes in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5495152 this submission]: Yes, photographs can be entered as interior art records. Typically we don't index photographs of the author or photographs unrelated to written speculative fiction, but otherwise they are eligible content. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 21:17, 22 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:The dates in the book are 2004 but the book date is October 2003. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:20, 22 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Randall Garrett / Unwise Child ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?242537 Unwise Child]. My copy is priced $3.50 and I see from the edit history that your transient PV copy was also $3.50. The pub record has a price of $2.95 so I propose to change the price to $3.50, update the date to 1962-09-00 as per Currey and add pub notes. Is all this ok with you? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:26, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::Yes, it is. Thanks. ~<br />
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== Futuredays ==<br />
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Hi! Do you still have access to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?177717 Futuredays]? If so, could you please take a look into it if there's a piece of art by Jean-Marc Côté that's called something similar to (and shows a) 'Whale Bus' (a whale transporting passengers in a whale-length cabin, with a dolphin watching this), and tell about it's (original) dating? I have a later reproduction in a German magazine, and there it's only dated 'around 1900'. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 08:34, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: hi, sold this book recently but I asked the buyer to check - he is in Florida right now but promised to check when he returns home at the end of this week....I hope we can answer your question. ~~<br />
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::: Thank you for taking the tracking path! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:58, 3 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: hi, sorry he hasn't responded to my request a second time...best. [[User:Lem|Lem]] ([[User talk:Lem|talk]]) 22:03, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Asimov's ''Pirates of the Asteroids'' ==<br />
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Letting you know I've added a Note to your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?214689 verified pub] re. the publication date as it's stated at Goodreads. Cheers. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 11:47, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Oracle - The Magazine of Graphic Science-Fiction and Fantasy ==<br />
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About [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5730960 this submission]. Are these two stories graphic stories/comics or are they prose stories? Thanks! <br />
PS: Sorry about the delay in getting to your entry. We had been a bit short-handed so some of the less obvious submissions had piled up. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:03, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: no problem, Annie. The two stories are graphics/comics. thank you, Ray [[User:Lem|Lem]] ([[User talk:Lem|talk]]) 23:25, 20 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::: Unfortunately that means that they are not eligible to be added - unless they are in an otherwise eligible magazine or from over the threshold authors (neither of which applies here). What else is in the magazine? Are there any text SF stories in this magazine? If not, or even if there are one or more, that becomes a non-genre magazine for us - and that means that only eligible stories are added. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 10:26, 21 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::: just graphic stories - well, not sure about "non genre" - this stuff is pure SF/Fantasy but I guess graphics don't cut it, sounds a bit odd but what would you like me to do? cancel the submission? thanks Ray. [[User:Lem|Lem]] ([[User talk:Lem|talk]]) 23:21, 21 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::::: [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Definitions This] is how we define genre. See the [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Exclusions exclusions]. So yes - they are genre for the world but they are not in scope as they are not in our definition of the genre. I wish I could catalog my own GN collection but... not in scope :) You can cancel it yourself or I can reject it - either way works. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 23:41, 21 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::: ok, canceled. thanks for the discussion. Ray. [[User:Lem|Lem]] ([[User talk:Lem|talk]]) 23:55, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Martian Time-Slip ==<br />
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Regarding your question in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5908201 this submission]: Back cover art is entered as interior art. Only front cover art (and wrap around art by extension) is listed as cover art. It is a bit of a judgement case in this instance, but the art only shows on the back cover and is not wrap around. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:37, 24 March 2024 (EDT)</div>
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If you're writing to inform me that you've either added a missing COVER IMAGE or NOTES to any of my VERIFIED PUBS, please click [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Rtrace/Changes_to_Verified_Pubs&action=edit&section=1 HERE] and add it to the bottom of the list. A link to the pub record would be appreciated. Once the pub has been reviewed, I'll remove your note from the list. Thanks. Ron (Rtrace)<br />
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* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive]] (2007-2009 [1])<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive2]] (2009 [2])<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive3]] (2010)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive4]] (2011)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive5]] (2012)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive6]] (2013)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive7]] (2014)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive8]] (2015)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive9]] (2016)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive10]] (2017)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive11]] (2018)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive12]] (2019)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive13]] (2020)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive14]] (2021)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive15]] (2022)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive16]] (2023)<br />
for older discussions.<br />
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== Cover Image Licenses ==<br />
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When using the "Upload new cover scan" option from a publication page, the software will automatically add a licensing template pre-populated with the publication information. In this case, you do not need to select a license under the "Licensing" pull down on the upload page (as it creates adds a second, incomplete template that needs to be cleaned up). The "Licensing" pull down only needs to be used when using the upload option from the wiki directly. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:42, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Thanks. Good to know. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:49, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?985361 Starman Jones] audio reading ==<br />
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Hi, Ron! Just wondering: the noted narrator and the one stated on the cover image do differ. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:16, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:You are correct. But is appears that the cover has the incorrect narrator. Audible credits Paul Michael Garcia in their [https://www.audible.com/pd/Starman-Jones-Audiobook/B002UZQYN0 current listing] and I re-listened to the credits in the audio book which which also credit Garcia. I had already checked that the current cover on the Audible site (the same as linked in the publication record), matches the one I downloaded when I purchased this book in 2011. The images are identical and both credit Powers, apparently incorrectly, as you noticed. I'll add a note that pictured credit is incorrect. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:30, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Kioga Titles ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=kioga%3A&type=All+Titles; Should those all say "informal"? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:54, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Corrected. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:58, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Amazing Stories, October 1960 ==<br />
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Regarding {{P|56651|Amazing Stories, October 1960}}: Would you mind checking the artwork on page 83? It is listed as "The Missionary [2]" by Bernklau, but Bernklau did the "Seeing Eye" artwork right before and Emsh did the "The Missionary" artwork after it. Should this be "Seeing Eye [2]"? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:40, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I agree and have made the change. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:07, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::OK by me.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] ([[User talk:Swfritter|talk]]) 18:52, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== HIstórias Extraordinárias N.7 ==<br />
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Hello Rtrace, thanks for reviewing and approving my submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5838401 5838401].<br />
I must have missed some information in it because it is not appearing as part of the series in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?67858 magazine series page] in the 2023 December slot.<br />
Could you please fix it or tell me where I should insert the pertinent information so it can appear there?<br />
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Thanks! [[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 13:00, 9 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hi Pugno<br />
:Magazines are just a little bit tricky and involve at least one edit beyond the initial one to get everything correct. One thing that you missed in adding this record was to add the series name, "Histórias Extraordinárias", in the Title Data section of the New Magazine screen. Had you done this, your new record would have appeared in the Issue Grid. However, even had you don that, there still would be an addition step to do. We can take care of the series name at the same time that we do this second step. You may have noticed that Magazine and Fanzine records have a special Title record of type EDITOR. Also that title record contains all the publications (issues) for a given calendar year that have the same editors. For example, the title record for 2023 for Histórias Extraordinárias is {{T|3180646|here}}. You'll notice that the title is different that that of the individual issues ("Histórias Extraordinárias - 2023") and that the date is for the year only i.e. no month or day. For the first issue that is added for a given year, the EDITOR title record has to be edited to change those fields. In this case, since the 2023 title already exists, all we need to do is to merge your newly created EDITOR title ({{T|3265222|here}} with the existing 2023 title. The best way to do that is to go to any of the three editor's pages and select "Show All Titles". Then find the two titles in question ("Histórias Extraordinárias - 2023" and "Histórias Extraordinárias, Dezembro 2023"). Select the check boxes next to these and click the "Merge Selected Records" button. This will take you to an intermediate page to resolve the conflicts between the two records. Select the title with the dash and the year, the series name and the date without the month and click "Complete Merge". Once that edit is approved, things will appear as they should. Please go ahead and give it a try if you feel comfortable with the instructions. If not, feel free to ask questions or if you'd like me to take care of the merge for you. I'm happy to do so, but wanted to give you the change to learn how to do this. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:38, 9 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::Hi Rtrace<br />
::I am not sure I understood it all :) So what I did was to submit a change ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5856081 #5856081]) and I kindly ask you to please adjust it accordingly so it can appear correctly in the series page. I tried to follow your instructions and use the "Show All Titles" that you mentioned but alas, couldn't find it. I am sorry.<br />
::In the meantime, for the same magazine, I will also submit a number of changes to create variants of interiorarts, since they are the same art appearing in different spots, just zoomed in. Thanks! [[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 22:55, 10 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::I'll go ahead and do the merge. For the next time you need it, the "Show All Titles" link in on the author bibliography page e.g. {{A|Mario Cavalcanti}}. In the left menu, under "Editing Tools", it's the 4th item down (or the second from the bottom, I've got the Moderator link first, which I'm not sure you can see, so your count may differ). In any case, thanks for your contributions on these. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:41, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::Rtrace, thank you very much for your help. I hadn't realized that the "Show all Titles" link could be accessed via the author bibliography page. Now it is clear! Now I submitted two variant adjustements, #[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5856083 5856083] and #[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5856084 5856084] to correctly set two interior arts. Could you please see to it? Once it is done, I will clone the magazine to create its ebook version. Once again, thanks a lot!! [[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 21:35, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::Both approved. You can proceed with cloning. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:38, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::Thanks Rtrace! I just cloned it. Submission #[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5857813 5857813] - hope it is all OK. Thanks again! [[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 17:20, 12 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Fourth Invasion by Alvim Correa ==<br />
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I saw that you registered Black Infinity, Fall 2018 and have two INTERIORART attributed to Alvim Corrrea, wouldn't it be a case of turning it into a variant of La guerre des mondes? [[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 08:57, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I wouldn't think so. Those are two individual illustrations. Whereas, {{T|743875|La guerre des mondes}} is the full set of illustrations for a book. We don't generally make variant titles for only part of the whole (excepting serials). --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:44, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Exhalation ==<br />
In Your pv pub [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?788223 CoNZealand: 78th World Science Fiction Convention] there is an interiorart [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2763640 Exhalation (cover)] as a variant of "Exhalation" cover. In the ISFDB there are three cover titles Exhalation: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2780439 here], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2777439 here] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2553590 here]. Can You please have a look which one is the right one or is there another fittig title? Thank You. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 18:16, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:It's the Shutterstock cover. I'm guessing that we hadn't identified the "artist" it at the time I entered the ConZealand book, or I would have linked it then. I'm not thrilled with identifying Shutterstock as an artist. My impression is that they are more of a licensing company than a creator of artwork, but I'll defer to the verifier of publication. All linked now. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:54, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Robert Anton Wilson / Schrödinger's Cat - Glossary ==<br />
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Posted on the Talk pages of Rtrace, Marc Kupper, Spacecow<br />
<br>All of the publications: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49137 The Universe Next Door] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29062 The Trick Top Hat] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29063 The Homing Pigeons] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?985980 Schrödinger's Cat Trilogy] have a glossary at the back. I have all four of these pubs and have compared the glossaries and they are all the same. There is an existing ISFDb record for the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?656785 glossary] and it is present in the omnibus (all five print versions) but none of the individual volumes. Hence I propose to import it into each of these three pubs. As a consequence, I will also change the disambiguation from the omnibus name to the series name, ie from "Glossary (Schrödinger's Cat Trilogy)" to "Glossary (Schrödinger's Cat)". Is all this ok with you? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:38, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I've no objections. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:19, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== K. J. Parker's Relics/Under My Skin ==<br />
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You've PVed the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?934729 2023 Under My Skin] collection. One of the Hugo novella nominees seems to be the story [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3160540 Relics], which seems like [https://csfdb.cn/works/34951 it was first published in Chinese translation in 2022]. Can you have a look at the copyright page (which isn't part of Amazon's preview of the ebook) to see if that's correct? Thanks!<br />
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BTW, I'm not rushing to do the Hugos, given the errors in the nom report e.g. at least two duplicated nominees... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:28, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:The Parker story gives a 2023 copyright and states "First appeared in this volume". That would appear to ignore the translation. I am adding nomination data for the Hugos, though the Chinese titles are giving me trouble. Please feel free to correct any errors that you see that I've made. The duplicate nominees were called out in one of the blogs, which I'm keeping an eye on. There's definitely several odd things about the nomination statistics. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:43, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3107243 This] is Fungi Song according to [https://csfdb.cn/works/37152 CSFDB]. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:03, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::: Hi, I'm just slowly going over the Chinese entries. I've added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3272563 a title record] for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3272563 this "stub" award entry], but I'm perplexed how to get it to show the author name in the award record. Any ideas?<br />
::: Thanks! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 12:35, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::I took care of it. The author needs to be listed in the "untitled" award record before it is linked. I unlinked them, added the author and then re-linked them. The title and author fields are not editable in an award that has been linked to a title record.<br />
::::For the other two above, were you going to add the original Chinese publications? In both cases, the nomination was for the Chinese version of the story as opposed to English original/translation. I can help link them if you'd like, or you can proceed, but to avoid the above problem, the author's name should be added to the award record prior to linking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:13, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::: Yeah, I'll do those short fiction records when I get to them - I'm planning on cleaning up one category a day.<br />
::::: Did you get very far on researching 余光 aka Residual Light (#13 in the Best Novel noms)? I noticed you hadn't done that one. Arthur Liu (CSFDB head honcho) mentioned that they couldn't track it down, even though it looked like it was a Chinese story. I've now found [https://www.everand.com/read/653149574/Residual-Light a very weird 2023 English language pub] that looks to be (machine?) translated from another language, I'm wondering if that's it? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:55, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::I didn't really go much past checking Worldcat, amazon.cn, and google. I'm interpreting whichever language is listed first as the one that was nominated in cases of translated works. Since authors are not listed, I've omitted them if I wasn't able to find the nominee, which was the case with this one. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:49, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::: Cheers; with the help of someone in (I think) Indonesia, we managed to identify what exactly Residual Light is, and I've added a proper title record and updated the award record, so I think this one is as good as it's going to get. Apparently one of the Best Series nominees is related to it, but I've not looked into it as yet.<br />
::::::: Will try to start on some of the other categories tomorrow - not had chance today. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:26, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Robert A. Heinlein / Stranger in a Strange Land ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?297700 Stranger in a Strange Land] and have added notes and also deleted OCLC/Worldcat: 220513743 because it refers to a different edition (1977, 21cm (ie hc) and different ISBNs). My submission is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5865682 here]. I cannot find a record on OCLC/Worldcat for this specific printing but this pub record has been SVd to OCLC/Worldcat by Bluesman who is no longer active. Is it possible to get SVs by inactive verifiers removed? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:27, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I've approved your edit and removed the Worldcat verification. Any moderator can remove a secondary verification, but since that feature was added, I'm the only one to use it. I only do so when the verifier is inactive. In any case, thanks for your edit. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:32, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Girl in a Swing ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?11141; 1980 UK HC on Archive.org says, on back flap, that Reginald George Haggar, who has his own Wikipedia page, did the cover art; edition you PV says Karen Murray. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:27, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Murray is credited on the back cover. If you look closely at the two covers, they are subtly different. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:00, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::SFE also says Murray for the HC so maybe that's why someone entered it. I made 2 edits, one adding archived link and note about last unnumbered page and the other unmerging cover art. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:25, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== SF Writer's Workshop ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?102360; You entered price for Owlswick TP, as can be seen on back cover of archived copy, https://archive.org/search?query=longyear+workshop, the price is much lower, I'm letting you know in case something needs fixing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:56, 23 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:It would appear that Chalker/Owings got the price wrong. Please go ahead and update it. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:00, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== First Men in the Moon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5859839; I didn't actually erase anything at the time I made my edit, it's just that it took so long to be approved that the UK guy with the slang, who made an edit at almost exactly the same time as I did, has an edit queue much shorter than mine (as does pretty much everyone else) so it got approved first, which can easily be seen by going to edit history, so our edits conflicted. So I'm going to make another edit just adding archived link which he didn't do. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:45, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Odd that I didn't get the warning that the record was updated since the edit was submitted. You should probably refrain from adding archive.org links pending the results of [[Rules and standards discussions#Linking to third party Web pages -- defining "legally posted"|this discussion]]. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:49, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::You should read the message from long-time mod Marty just above yours in that discussion where he says it is not ISFDB's place to decide what's legal or not, we just make links and if the host of the link gets a request to take certain works down for whatever reason then we can just remove the link, which is exactly what I said earlier in that thread. I made a simple message about Moondust a few days ago and it's somehow gotten blown completely out of proportion; if anyone had a problem with ISFDB hosting links they would have told you so long ago. Just let it go and move on. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:57, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::Of course I read it. However, a single post in a discussion does not signify that the community has reached consensus on the issue. Unless there is consensus on the issue or consensus that we should keep adding such links while discussing (the question I raised), I will not be approving any edits adding the potentially problematic links. I would expect that the other moderators would behave in the same manner. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:03, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::There is rarely any consensus reached on anything discussed here; things usually just peter out without anything being decided. I know one thing, deciding to remove thousands of Internet Archive links, very many of which were added by me and were used by me and others as research tools to add/correct info here, because someone is paranoid that the internet police are going to come after this site after not doing so for the nearly 20 years it's been open to public editing, is the last option anyone should consider. We don't host, we post. My suggestion would be to just add a line or two to the legalese saying that links are only to be used for private use (i.e. reading the book) or research/study (that's what we do here) and, boom, issue solved. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:12, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::It would make fare more sense to raise your points on the Rules and Standards discussion rather than here. I see you've made other points, but not these. Regardless, this question isn't going to be resolved on my talk page. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:34, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Proposed change to title novel to shortfiction ==<br />
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Hi Ron. Faustus is looking to change[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5874311] a novel to shortfiction in a 1928 magazine due to it's low page count, your the only PV.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:38, 30 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:That's fine. I checked Miller/Contento and they have it as a novelette. It appears that [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] made the variant. Perhaps he misread "nv" as novel, assuming Miller/Contento was his source. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:05, 31 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Thanks, I'll make the changes.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 12:36, 31 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== once more with footnotes ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?71155; Page count is 282. Edit PENDING. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:18, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Spock Storybook ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?32222; While working on a ton of novelizations lately I came back across this one where my name is in the edit list followed by you adding a note about missing paper edition but this, https://www.amazon.co.uk/Storybook-Paramount-Pictures-Corporation-Paperback/dp/B00OQTMGQC, seems to be it. Also, a book club edition as seen on back cover, https://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-III-Search-Spock/dp/0671476629. I just made an edit adding an Amazon cover with another photo on the page showing back cover with correct ISBN and price; archived copy's cover was way too dark. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:58, 10 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for that. I've cloned the record for the paperback and moved the Reginald verification over. I'll leave it to you to enter the book club edition if you'd like. I'm not sure where to research which book club published it though SFBC seems likely. I'm also skeptical of the date for the BCE, though it may have been later in 1984. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:52, 10 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Deryni Magic ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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As you are the PV of both works, can you look at [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5740941 this submission] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5740946 this submission]. I do not have them on hold in case you want to handle them - if we go to Community, I will put them on hold pending the decision. We often create special series for the non-fiction in big series and Deryni Magic looks exactly like that so it makes sense to keep them separate... but they also can go up in the parent series. If you rather start a discussion on Community, I can do that as but as you are the sole verifier on one of these books, I am starting here. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:30, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hi Annie<br />
:In general, I don't like the way Kurtz's Deryni books have been put into series. I'm rarely a fan of the XXX Universe super-series which doesn't make sense in this instance, especially as the works contained in it are nearly all Kurtz's own short fiction. We have fan-fiction or sequels by other hands in a sub-series named "Deryni" and they are all authorized from an anthology edited by Kurtz. Lastly, I'd take ''King Kelson's Bride'' out of "The Histories of King Kelson" sub-series. My copy is certainly not marketed as part of that trilogy. If it were entirely up to me I'd keep the 4 trilogies as a sub-series of a single super-series of the Deryni series which would contain all of the other works. But that's not exactly what you asked. I don't really see a need to group ''Deryni Magic'' with ''Codex Derynianus''. I'm not even sure that the latter is properly non-fiction. It's one of those in-universe encyclopedias i.e. as if written by a fictional person from the setting. I see that [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] added the Deryni Magic series to {{T|102600|Codex Derynianus}}. The edit history for {{T|17013|Deryni Magic}} is less complete, but there was a title merge by Ahasuerus on the same day as the series edition to the other title. We may want to seek his input as to why these two were grouped by that series title. I'll leave a note on his talk page. If they must be grouped, I would prefer a name like "Deryni Non-Fiction", but my preference would be to not group them. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:12, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks for the answer - and that is why I started here. I am fine with either way - and I agree that the current series name makes little sense. Do you want to put the two submissions on hold until this is sorted out? (Or I can if you prefer - I just do not want someone to spend time digging through things and miss the conversations). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 21:23, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::I've held them. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:33, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: I am looking at the Title History page for {{T|17013|Deryni Magic}} and, surprisingly enough, I have a vague recollection of what may have happened to it back in 2006. I think I remember changing ''something'' in a robot-created Deryni record -- probably the title type which early ISFDB robots tended to set to NOVEL -- and then merging the result with a pre-existing title. Of course, it's been 17+ years, so I can't be sure, but it feels right. I also see that Bill Longley did another title merge that affected this title in 2009, but I don't know what that was about.<br />
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:::: Substantively, I have no objection to changing the series structure/name. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:49, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::::Thanks. I've approved the two edits in question. I've counted 15 active verifiers of Deryni books, and I think maybe a community discussion is warranted before restructuring the rest of the series. I'm going out of town on Saturday, so I don't really want to start that discussion until I get back. I'd rather not try to participate in a discussion using a tablet. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:19, 14 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Art of the Pulps ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5892306; Notes say copyright page date is September 2017 with actual date from Amazon but date entered here is September; was some more exact date supposed to be entered and wasn't? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:22, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:It was entered but was changed back to the date from the book. I'll remove the note. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:00, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== WFR #3 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/submitpub.cgi; Page count was added by other PV who often adds pages to the count that shouldn't be but since this is a magazine shouldn't all pages, including covers, be counted and count changed to 236? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:06, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Analog Science Fiction/Science Fact, Mid-December 1986 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?56983<br />
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hiya Ron your the only pv still hewing at the coalface for this one. just to let you know that he contents are missing another int art by hank jankus for "picaper" on p104. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 21:29, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hi Gaz<br />
:I see you've verified it as well. I'm about to go out of town for a bit, so please feel free to add the missing item. If you're not comfortable with that, I can take care of it when I get back. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:47, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::righto mate Ill have a pop at it. [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 22:03, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Theodore Sturgeon / Without Sorcery ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55088 Without Sorcery] and propose to 1) change Pages to xi+355. 2) change start page of Introduction to v. 3) change start page of Preface to viii. 4) add pub notes. 5) upload high res cover scan from my copy (existing image is a thumbnail). Is all this ok with you? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:30, 17 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:All those changes sound good. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:41, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Theodore Sturgeon / E Pluribus Unicorn ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?268135 E Pluribus Unicorn] and will correct two of the titles in the Contents section:<br />
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"The Silken-Swift" should be "The Silken-Swift..." (existing variant)<br />
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"The Professor's Teddy-Bear" should be "The Professor's Teddy Bear" (existing variant)<br />
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The pub record currently shows the titles as they appear in the ToC. I will add a pub note about the ToC discrepancies. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:46, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:As above, all these changes are fine. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:44, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Mona Lisa Overdrive audiobook ==<br />
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I added the price and ASIN to this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?993892 Mona Lisa Overdrive audiobook] record. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:40, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:I backed out the changes for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?993892 this edition] and applied them to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?993893 this edition] where they belonged. Sorry. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:48, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Disclosures in Scarlet ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5895461; Pasted $6.00 sticker on flap in case you want to add a note about that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:17, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:There is no evidence that that price sticker is from the publisher, so no need to add a note. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:46, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Are you sure? It's mentioned several times here, https://www.abebooks.com/book-search/title/disclosures-scarlet/author/jacobi-carl/first-edition/. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:00, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The SFWA Handbook ==<br />
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Ron, I'll leave [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5883345 this submission] for you. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?865674 This pub] was ignored when [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?879426 this one] was created. Don't know if you want to move your SV's or import and ask Michaelc to move his PV. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:02, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Catamount ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?233737; Archived link, +[1] to page count/[283] author's note. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:46, 24 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== A Praed Street Dossier ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5900107; There's no note about copies so you may want to enter it from the colophon at the end like you usually do for these AH/M&M books. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:05, 24 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Vathek ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2892553<br />
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Ron ive just been reading the introduction and bibliography by Roger Lonsdale in the OUP edition (1983) where he talks about the 1787 french editions and he says that the theory that they were retranslated from the english back into french is wrong. He says "Professor Parreaux's careful investigation finally disposed of this theory in 1960. The 1787 Lausanne text undoubtedly represents Beckford's own French text, from a manuscript which he must have had with him, in a slightly earlier state than that translated by Henley" He says that the 1787 Paris edition is a revised version of the Lausanne one but this one does contain some of Henley's notes for the English translation, retranslated into french. The bibliography indicates the first translation from the english back into french was in 1819.<br />
:All that might not be the final word and im sure you've dug into deeper than me but i thought you ought to know with regard to the notes for the title. I can scan the relevent pages and send them to you if youre interested. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 10:18, 25 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Hi Gaz<br />
::I haven't done any special research on this. I do see that [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vathek Wikipedia] sticks with the original composition in French. You could certainly add to the notes in the title record. However, I'd note it as an alternate theory and cite your sources. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:54, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::righto mate ill have a stab at it. Yeah Beckford wrote it in french and Henly was commisioned to do the english translation but he was cheesed off that beckford wouldnt let him publish and the rapscallion jumped the gun, published it without mentioning beckford and said it was translated from some old arab text. The dispute is about the french versions published shortly after the english one. I couldn't find anything in the wikipedia that says the first french versions were retranslated from henley's english version back into french which was what people originally believed and which lonsdale says has been refuted. Ill see if i can find any other source for the double translation theory. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 23:34, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Grandon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?21045; I just added edits with HathiTrust links to 333 and Werewolf of Ponkert, I checked online and all 6 books say The Grandon Company on the title page, I'm thinking of changing publisher's name to that, you PV 4 of them so if yours say the same let me know and then I'll make the change. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:23, 1 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:They all say "The Grandon Company" and it would be fine to change the publisher's name. Just make sure you update the publisher instead of individually updating all the publication records. Let me know if you have any issues. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:14, 1 March 2024 (EST)<br />
::I can't do that; I'm not a mod. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:34, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:::Updated. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:03, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Swear by Apollo ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291019; This is the book club edition (Random House / BCE) going by the page count but the record has trade price; your Reginald SV may be affected by that. There's a copy, https://www.etsy.com/listing/1292726176/swear-by-apollo-by-shirley-barker-1958, that shows trade with price on front and cover artist on back + LCCN on copyright page; eBay has nothing but club editions except for 1 seller who shows LCCN on copyright page but didn't bother with photos of the flaps. LoC site says 306 pages, not 307. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:33, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:Trade copy here, https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006592863. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:34, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
::Well, the Reginald verification is from [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]], not me. I also see that you effectively converted the publication record of the trade edition to that of the book club edition with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5022497 this edit] in 2021 while not adjusting the publisher to indicate the book club. Both the Reginald number and the Worldcat number refer to the trade edition. I would guess the page count in the record was 306 before you changed it, which would match Worldcat. What I'd recommend is that you back out your edit and restore the data for the trade edition. That would be easier than creating a new record for the trade, fixing the publisher of the BCE, removing the external IDs and then getting two other editors to move their verifications to a new trade record. After you've restored the trade edition, then you could clone it to create the BCE. Lastly, I'm not sure why you're asking me about this record. I'm not in the edit history and have no verifications, aside from marking the ones that are not applicable. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:17, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5908165; OK, so I went back and did it the way it was before and then improved it with lots of other info which the previous editors apparently didn't care to look up. As I've said before, the only reason I ask you is because you're around more often than some of the others (at least until recently when you're doing mostly your own audiobook edits) so when I see your name in a record I default to you. Mr. Hutchins hasn't really been actively editing for years and barely responds to anything, anyway, so no use asking them. Rudam is the one who approved my nearly 3-years-old previous edit and I believe he's the one who I asked to slow down on the approvals because I was finding things that needed fixing that they were not noticing because they were just running through dozens of approvals in the space of a few minutes just to get the queue down to size, I guess. They went off in a huff after that. So, you know, it's really difficult dealing with all the personalities here and figuring out who's around and who's mad at who and whatever so if I get a little confused sometimes I think it's understandable. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:04, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Futuristic Tales, No.1 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?995232<br />
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hiya ron sorry to bother you I just wanted to pick your brains about how to handle cases like this re the alternate names of the authors. Theres the 3 names which are all psuedonyms. The authors real name is not on the db - presumably if it was on the db then those 3 would be made alternate names of it. as the real parent name isnt listed then one of the others has been made the parent name (Stacker). Did you do that because it was the earliest one in the contents or was there some other reason? There's some more like that for later issues of this mag so i want to get on top of it before trying to sort them out myself. cheers from gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 17:35, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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Ron ive just noticed that you linked them by doing a variant title. Does using the alternate name route have the same outcome? [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 17:58, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hi Gaz<br />
:I recall these edits from earlier today. I went ahead and adjusted things to get the records in order, as you have noticed. The first thing I did was to add "Abu Khattub" as the legal name for the three pseudonyms (or rather "Khattub, Abu" which is the proper format for the legal name. In order to get those three stories under the same bibliography, there are two sets of edits that have to be done. First the authors must be linked. We ordinarily select whichever name the author is best know as in the field as the canonical name. Since we had three names with one story using each pseudonym, there was no way to give any name preference for the canonical, so I just chose one, Garry Stacker. If we find more publications by this author, we may need to adjust which name is canonical. I should also note that because there are no publications with the "Abu Khattub" credit, we cannot us that one as a canonical name. So, choosing Stacker as canonical, I then made the other two names into pseudonyms by navigating to each author and using the "Make/Remove Alternate Name" tool. The other set of edits is to make the title records under the alternate names into variants of a parent title using the canonical name. Again, I went to each title record and used the "Make This Title a Variant" tool, selecting Option 2 with "Garry Stacker" as the author name to make the new parent title. I hope this answers your question, but let me know if you need me to expand on any steps in the process. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:11, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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::cheers mate, a bit more in it than i thought, i'm glad I asked else i would have only tried to do one or the other of those. Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 20:46, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== New York 2140 Audiobook ==<br />
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Hello, question about the ISBN from audiobook download {{P|994420|New York 2140}}; where did you source it from? It doesn't match the one listed on the Hachette site (9781549128141). Thanks! [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] ([[User talk:Albinoflea|talk]]) 22:10, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hi Albinoflea<br />
:Sure, I got that from the linked Worldcat record and the same ISBN is used for the three eAudiobook records I can find in Worldcat. I did find a different ISBN, 9781478941224, listed in [https://www.audiofilemagazine.com/reviews/read/127281/new-york-2140-by-kim-stanley-robinson-read-by-suzanne-toren-robin-miles/ this review], however, searching that in Worldcat returns a record for the print book which doesn't actually list that ISBN. Worldcat does not have the ISBN from the Hachette site. I'll admit that I'm finding audiobook ISBNs a bit puzzling. Audible doesn't list them and they do not appear in the book, nor in the metadata that I can see when I import them in iTunes. Worldcat can list multiple ISBNs, though it doesn't in this instance. That review site will sometimes list library edition ISBNs in addition to trade, but again, not in this instance. For ''New York 2140'' I suppose that we could list them all in the current record and cite the source of each. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:44, 7 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Scream for Jeeves ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?487698; Starting number of first story is wrong, title of essay is wrong. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:24, 12 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:Updated. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:25, 12 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== The Dark Tower ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?63665<br />
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hiya ron i'm having a look at the int art for my book (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?167561) to see if the existing int art title can be added to the contents. The hodder hb has 12 named colour plates listed on an illustrations content page. just wanted to check if the american editions have the same pictures. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 14:27, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:Hi Gaz<br />
:I replaced the {{P|63665|trade edition}} above with the {{P|770401|Artist Signed Edition}}, which is why I marked the former verification as transient. You may try reaching out to [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] who has a permanent verification on that edition. I can tell you that the Artist Signed Edition also lists twelve color plates on the illustration contents page. There are also several monochrome spot illustrations and illustrations for section headings in addition to pictorial end-papers. Hope this is helpful for you. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:10, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:: sorry mate i didnt notice it was a transient, thanks for the info cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 20:07, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== The Baum Bugle, Spring 2023 ==<br />
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Please see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5847952 this edit] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5847960 this edit] which impact your verified {{P|984332|The Baum Bugle, Spring 2023}}. Let me know how I should respond to submitter on first one and whether I should accept the second one. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:10, 24 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:I think that both changes are essentially fine. I can convert the first essay to an interview, or you can work with the submitter on how that is accomplished if you would prefer. For the second edit, it was a little confusing as the title page has "Art and Additional Comments by Lorena Azpiri" which did not make it clear that she was also interviewed. I would recommend cloning the interview for the Spanish version. There is not a separate Spanish title listed, so maybe make the Spanish a variant of the English. Although, the interview itself is printed side by side with Spanish on the left, so I could go either way with which title should be canonical. Let me know if you'd like me to work on these changes. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:27, 24 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
::Since you have the pub, I will unhold these and let you work them. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:12, 24 March 2024 (EDT)</div>
JLaTondre
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Tiltingatwindmills&diff=682598
User talk:Tiltingatwindmills
2024-03-24T14:28:10Z
<p>JLaTondre: /* The House */ new section</p>
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<div>{{welcome}}[[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:43, 24 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== And My Blood Sang ==<br />
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I initially approved your submission adding this poetry collection. Using the Look inside feature on Amazon.com, none of the works appear genre. Therefore I deleted the publication. Review the [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy ISFDB POLICY] page. If you believe any of the works meet the inclusion criteria, let me know. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:50, 24 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The House ==<br />
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I am holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5886635 this submission]. While this story is genre, it does not appear that the Afterimages Substack meets our inclusion criteria. Please see the "electronic publications of the following types" on our [[ISFDB:Policy#Included|inclusion policy]]. Am I missing something? Thanks.</div>
JLaTondre
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Ahasuerus&diff=682597
User talk:Ahasuerus
2024-03-24T14:21:28Z
<p>JLaTondre: /* Place Submission on Hold */ new section</p>
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<div>See [[User talk:Ahasuerus/Archive]] for discussions prior to 2024.<br />
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<center>PLEASE NOTE:</center><br />
If you're writing to inform me that you've either added a COVER IMAGE or NOTES to any of my VERIFIED PUBS, please follow [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Ahasuerus/Changes_to_Verified_Pubs&action=edit&section=1 THIS LINK] and add it to the bottom of the list. A link to the pub record would be appreciated. Once the pub has been reviewed, I'll remove your note from the list. Thanks!<br />
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== Corrupted publication record ==<br />
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I saw [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?589785 this one] on one of the cleanup reports. The software will not allow corrections. Do we need to create a new publication record and delete this one? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:53, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Could you please clarify what you mean by "the software will not allow corrections"? The External ID field had a very long URL (instead of an ID), which distorted the display in some browsers, but I could still access the "Edit" link by scrolling to the right in Firefox. I then found the right PORBASE ID and replaced the long URL with it. It seems to have fixed the issue. Does it look OK now? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:28, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: When I entered the correct PORBASE ID, It reverted back to the incorrect previous link when looking at the Proposed Publication Update Submission' screen. As a result, I cancelled the edit. Not sure why that didn't happen to you. Regardless, it is correct now. <br />
::P.S. It probably was allowing the change but the proposed changes column was likely off my screen. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:37, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Oh, I see. I vaguely recall experimenting with HTML tables to ensure that they wouldn't do this at some resolutions, but I think I ran into various technical issues and catch-22s. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:44, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Human-Machines ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17511; Archive.org cover has a price sticker so you may want to find another image to replace the unstable Amazon one that's there now. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:22, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Updated, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:33, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Hidden World ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5884849; PDF, cover, Mantong. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:14, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Approved, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:56, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Deryni Magic Question ==<br />
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Hi Ahasuerus -<br />
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[[User:Anniemod|Annie]] has posed [[User talk:Rtrace#Deryni_Magic|this question]] on my talk page. I found that original edits may may have been yours back in 2006. Could you take a peek when you have a moment (and if you can remember why you did something 18 years ago!). Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:18, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Done. Thanks for the ping. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:49, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== What we enter in the "Artist" field ==<br />
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Ahasuerus: The table 'What we enter in the "Artist" field' which you created in your post 11:33, 19 February 2024 (EST) under [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Secondary_source_artist_credit_in_face_of_credit_change_over_time this thread] is very useful. It is much easier to follow and understand than the wording under bullet point "Artist" in [[Template:PublicationFields:CoverArt]]. I recently referred to the table for a separate issue about cover artists [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:GlennMcG#Theodore_Sturgeon_.2F_Beyond here].<br />
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Could you please add the table to the help page. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:04, 24 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Thanks for the reminder! I have been sick most of the last week and didn't want to touch Rules and Standards discussions until I was back up to 100%. Once I feel better, I'll make sure to check on the R&S page that it's OK to add the table to Help. Thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:50, 24 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::No problem. There is no hurry. I am sorry to hear you have been unwell and wish you a speedy recovery. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 12:47, 25 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Thank you! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:20, 25 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Image backups ==<br />
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Hi,<br />
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I see you updated the downloads page to note that image backups are being redone. This reminds me of something that's puzzled me for a while, and which I meant to ask you about months (years?) ago.<br />
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Am I right in thinking that when those zips are generated, it's not an incremental backup style thing where you just need to download the changes/deltas, but rather that they are completely regenerated, and that you'd have to download the full set of zips to have an accurate and complete collection? I vaguely recall that at some point in the past, I'd been downloading the zips in a fairly leisurely manner over a period of days/weeks, and had got maybe 80% of the way through them, and then the zips were regenerated, and I assumed that I had to restart the set.<br />
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Would it be possible to have a bit more information on the download page about how they work? NB: I haven't actually ever done anything with the zips I downloaded - I rarely run the full Apache website locally, which I imagine is the main intended use case for the image backups - but I always thought they had the potential to be the foundation of an interesting project. Thanks! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 04:35, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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: That's right: the images hosted by Google Drive are a complete copy of the images hosted by the live ISFDB server. I have added a few more details to the description. Does it make more sense now? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:31, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks. What you've added makes sense, but it's still not clear (to me at least) from the text there that the directories all get updated when new zips are created. Are the 0-9/a-f (and the 2 digit subdirectories) just arbitrary hex digits, maybe the first digits of a checksum or something like that? (That question is slightly rhetorical; I imagine I could find the answer out for myself if I looked through the source code.)<br />
:: If the tarballs had date suffixes, similar to the database backups, then I think that would make it more obvious that the full set needs re-downloading. However, I guess the downside of that is that it would break any existing tooling for downloading the image backups, and that if you weren't careful you might end up with multiple dated tarballs and/or image directories. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:25, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Oh, oh... OK, I think I see what the problem is. "0-9" and "a-f" are subdirectory names created by the MediWiki software to store uploaded images. I am so used to this naming convention that it never occurred to me that it may be confusing. A blind spot, if you will. Let me edit the page and explain the naming convention. Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:15, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: Ha, I think this is also a blind spot on my part. Because I don't generally upload my own images (I think it must be in single digits) I forgot that that is all handled by the Mediawiki side of things, and it didn't cross my mind that the directory structure of the images was something that wasn't part of the core ISFDB code. Thanks for clarifying! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 05:31, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== New hotlink site permission ==<br />
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We have permission to hotlink cover images to a new site, possibly. You can see it [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk%3ALawDagstine&type=revision&diff=682322&oldid=682319 here]. If that is sufficient, can we add it to the list? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:18, 21 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:In anticipation of this being acceptable, there is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1000727 one publication] that is currently hotlinking to the site. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:29, 21 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:: All done. The [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1000727 publication page] now credits "Lawrence Dagstine". [[Template:Image Host Sites]] has been updated. Thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:58, 21 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:::Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:12, 21 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== Place Submission on Hold ==<br />
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After placing a submission on hold, it would be nice if the resultant page had links back to the submission - both the moderator view and the public view. Currently, it only has a link to the Submission List. But usually when I put something on hold, it is because I plan to do something with that submission. Yes, I can just hit the back button to get the moderator view again. But I often want the public view so I can include the link in a question to the submitter so having that on the on hold page would save a click. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:21, 24 March 2024 (EDT)</div>
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If you're writing to inform me that you've either added a missing COVER IMAGE or NOTES to any of my VERIFIED PUBS, please click [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Rtrace/Changes_to_Verified_Pubs&action=edit&section=1 HERE] and add it to the bottom of the list. A link to the pub record would be appreciated. Once the pub has been reviewed, I'll remove your note from the list. Thanks. Ron (Rtrace)<br />
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See <br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive]] (2007-2009 [1])<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive2]] (2009 [2])<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive3]] (2010)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive4]] (2011)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive5]] (2012)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive6]] (2013)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive7]] (2014)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive8]] (2015)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive9]] (2016)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive10]] (2017)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive11]] (2018)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive12]] (2019)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive13]] (2020)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive14]] (2021)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive15]] (2022)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive16]] (2023)<br />
for older discussions.<br />
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== Cover Image Licenses ==<br />
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When using the "Upload new cover scan" option from a publication page, the software will automatically add a licensing template pre-populated with the publication information. In this case, you do not need to select a license under the "Licensing" pull down on the upload page (as it creates adds a second, incomplete template that needs to be cleaned up). The "Licensing" pull down only needs to be used when using the upload option from the wiki directly. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:42, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Thanks. Good to know. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:49, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?985361 Starman Jones] audio reading ==<br />
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Hi, Ron! Just wondering: the noted narrator and the one stated on the cover image do differ. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:16, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:You are correct. But is appears that the cover has the incorrect narrator. Audible credits Paul Michael Garcia in their [https://www.audible.com/pd/Starman-Jones-Audiobook/B002UZQYN0 current listing] and I re-listened to the credits in the audio book which which also credit Garcia. I had already checked that the current cover on the Audible site (the same as linked in the publication record), matches the one I downloaded when I purchased this book in 2011. The images are identical and both credit Powers, apparently incorrectly, as you noticed. I'll add a note that pictured credit is incorrect. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:30, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Kioga Titles ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=kioga%3A&type=All+Titles; Should those all say "informal"? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:54, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Corrected. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:58, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Amazing Stories, October 1960 ==<br />
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Regarding {{P|56651|Amazing Stories, October 1960}}: Would you mind checking the artwork on page 83? It is listed as "The Missionary [2]" by Bernklau, but Bernklau did the "Seeing Eye" artwork right before and Emsh did the "The Missionary" artwork after it. Should this be "Seeing Eye [2]"? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:40, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I agree and have made the change. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:07, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::OK by me.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] ([[User talk:Swfritter|talk]]) 18:52, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== HIstórias Extraordinárias N.7 ==<br />
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Hello Rtrace, thanks for reviewing and approving my submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5838401 5838401].<br />
I must have missed some information in it because it is not appearing as part of the series in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?67858 magazine series page] in the 2023 December slot.<br />
Could you please fix it or tell me where I should insert the pertinent information so it can appear there?<br />
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Thanks! [[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 13:00, 9 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hi Pugno<br />
:Magazines are just a little bit tricky and involve at least one edit beyond the initial one to get everything correct. One thing that you missed in adding this record was to add the series name, "Histórias Extraordinárias", in the Title Data section of the New Magazine screen. Had you done this, your new record would have appeared in the Issue Grid. However, even had you don that, there still would be an addition step to do. We can take care of the series name at the same time that we do this second step. You may have noticed that Magazine and Fanzine records have a special Title record of type EDITOR. Also that title record contains all the publications (issues) for a given calendar year that have the same editors. For example, the title record for 2023 for Histórias Extraordinárias is {{T|3180646|here}}. You'll notice that the title is different that that of the individual issues ("Histórias Extraordinárias - 2023") and that the date is for the year only i.e. no month or day. For the first issue that is added for a given year, the EDITOR title record has to be edited to change those fields. In this case, since the 2023 title already exists, all we need to do is to merge your newly created EDITOR title ({{T|3265222|here}} with the existing 2023 title. The best way to do that is to go to any of the three editor's pages and select "Show All Titles". Then find the two titles in question ("Histórias Extraordinárias - 2023" and "Histórias Extraordinárias, Dezembro 2023"). Select the check boxes next to these and click the "Merge Selected Records" button. This will take you to an intermediate page to resolve the conflicts between the two records. Select the title with the dash and the year, the series name and the date without the month and click "Complete Merge". Once that edit is approved, things will appear as they should. Please go ahead and give it a try if you feel comfortable with the instructions. If not, feel free to ask questions or if you'd like me to take care of the merge for you. I'm happy to do so, but wanted to give you the change to learn how to do this. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:38, 9 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::Hi Rtrace<br />
::I am not sure I understood it all :) So what I did was to submit a change ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5856081 #5856081]) and I kindly ask you to please adjust it accordingly so it can appear correctly in the series page. I tried to follow your instructions and use the "Show All Titles" that you mentioned but alas, couldn't find it. I am sorry.<br />
::In the meantime, for the same magazine, I will also submit a number of changes to create variants of interiorarts, since they are the same art appearing in different spots, just zoomed in. Thanks! [[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 22:55, 10 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::I'll go ahead and do the merge. For the next time you need it, the "Show All Titles" link in on the author bibliography page e.g. {{A|Mario Cavalcanti}}. In the left menu, under "Editing Tools", it's the 4th item down (or the second from the bottom, I've got the Moderator link first, which I'm not sure you can see, so your count may differ). In any case, thanks for your contributions on these. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:41, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::Rtrace, thank you very much for your help. I hadn't realized that the "Show all Titles" link could be accessed via the author bibliography page. Now it is clear! Now I submitted two variant adjustements, #[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5856083 5856083] and #[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5856084 5856084] to correctly set two interior arts. Could you please see to it? Once it is done, I will clone the magazine to create its ebook version. Once again, thanks a lot!! [[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 21:35, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::Both approved. You can proceed with cloning. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:38, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::Thanks Rtrace! I just cloned it. Submission #[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5857813 5857813] - hope it is all OK. Thanks again! [[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 17:20, 12 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Fourth Invasion by Alvim Correa ==<br />
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I saw that you registered Black Infinity, Fall 2018 and have two INTERIORART attributed to Alvim Corrrea, wouldn't it be a case of turning it into a variant of La guerre des mondes? [[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 08:57, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I wouldn't think so. Those are two individual illustrations. Whereas, {{T|743875|La guerre des mondes}} is the full set of illustrations for a book. We don't generally make variant titles for only part of the whole (excepting serials). --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:44, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Exhalation ==<br />
In Your pv pub [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?788223 CoNZealand: 78th World Science Fiction Convention] there is an interiorart [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2763640 Exhalation (cover)] as a variant of "Exhalation" cover. In the ISFDB there are three cover titles Exhalation: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2780439 here], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2777439 here] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2553590 here]. Can You please have a look which one is the right one or is there another fittig title? Thank You. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 18:16, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:It's the Shutterstock cover. I'm guessing that we hadn't identified the "artist" it at the time I entered the ConZealand book, or I would have linked it then. I'm not thrilled with identifying Shutterstock as an artist. My impression is that they are more of a licensing company than a creator of artwork, but I'll defer to the verifier of publication. All linked now. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:54, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Robert Anton Wilson / Schrödinger's Cat - Glossary ==<br />
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Posted on the Talk pages of Rtrace, Marc Kupper, Spacecow<br />
<br>All of the publications: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49137 The Universe Next Door] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29062 The Trick Top Hat] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29063 The Homing Pigeons] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?985980 Schrödinger's Cat Trilogy] have a glossary at the back. I have all four of these pubs and have compared the glossaries and they are all the same. There is an existing ISFDb record for the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?656785 glossary] and it is present in the omnibus (all five print versions) but none of the individual volumes. Hence I propose to import it into each of these three pubs. As a consequence, I will also change the disambiguation from the omnibus name to the series name, ie from "Glossary (Schrödinger's Cat Trilogy)" to "Glossary (Schrödinger's Cat)". Is all this ok with you? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:38, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I've no objections. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:19, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== K. J. Parker's Relics/Under My Skin ==<br />
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You've PVed the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?934729 2023 Under My Skin] collection. One of the Hugo novella nominees seems to be the story [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3160540 Relics], which seems like [https://csfdb.cn/works/34951 it was first published in Chinese translation in 2022]. Can you have a look at the copyright page (which isn't part of Amazon's preview of the ebook) to see if that's correct? Thanks!<br />
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BTW, I'm not rushing to do the Hugos, given the errors in the nom report e.g. at least two duplicated nominees... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:28, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:The Parker story gives a 2023 copyright and states "First appeared in this volume". That would appear to ignore the translation. I am adding nomination data for the Hugos, though the Chinese titles are giving me trouble. Please feel free to correct any errors that you see that I've made. The duplicate nominees were called out in one of the blogs, which I'm keeping an eye on. There's definitely several odd things about the nomination statistics. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:43, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3107243 This] is Fungi Song according to [https://csfdb.cn/works/37152 CSFDB]. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:03, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::: Hi, I'm just slowly going over the Chinese entries. I've added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3272563 a title record] for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3272563 this "stub" award entry], but I'm perplexed how to get it to show the author name in the award record. Any ideas?<br />
::: Thanks! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 12:35, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::I took care of it. The author needs to be listed in the "untitled" award record before it is linked. I unlinked them, added the author and then re-linked them. The title and author fields are not editable in an award that has been linked to a title record.<br />
::::For the other two above, were you going to add the original Chinese publications? In both cases, the nomination was for the Chinese version of the story as opposed to English original/translation. I can help link them if you'd like, or you can proceed, but to avoid the above problem, the author's name should be added to the award record prior to linking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:13, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::: Yeah, I'll do those short fiction records when I get to them - I'm planning on cleaning up one category a day.<br />
::::: Did you get very far on researching 余光 aka Residual Light (#13 in the Best Novel noms)? I noticed you hadn't done that one. Arthur Liu (CSFDB head honcho) mentioned that they couldn't track it down, even though it looked like it was a Chinese story. I've now found [https://www.everand.com/read/653149574/Residual-Light a very weird 2023 English language pub] that looks to be (machine?) translated from another language, I'm wondering if that's it? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:55, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::I didn't really go much past checking Worldcat, amazon.cn, and google. I'm interpreting whichever language is listed first as the one that was nominated in cases of translated works. Since authors are not listed, I've omitted them if I wasn't able to find the nominee, which was the case with this one. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:49, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::: Cheers; with the help of someone in (I think) Indonesia, we managed to identify what exactly Residual Light is, and I've added a proper title record and updated the award record, so I think this one is as good as it's going to get. Apparently one of the Best Series nominees is related to it, but I've not looked into it as yet.<br />
::::::: Will try to start on some of the other categories tomorrow - not had chance today. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:26, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Robert A. Heinlein / Stranger in a Strange Land ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?297700 Stranger in a Strange Land] and have added notes and also deleted OCLC/Worldcat: 220513743 because it refers to a different edition (1977, 21cm (ie hc) and different ISBNs). My submission is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5865682 here]. I cannot find a record on OCLC/Worldcat for this specific printing but this pub record has been SVd to OCLC/Worldcat by Bluesman who is no longer active. Is it possible to get SVs by inactive verifiers removed? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:27, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I've approved your edit and removed the Worldcat verification. Any moderator can remove a secondary verification, but since that feature was added, I'm the only one to use it. I only do so when the verifier is inactive. In any case, thanks for your edit. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:32, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Girl in a Swing ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?11141; 1980 UK HC on Archive.org says, on back flap, that Reginald George Haggar, who has his own Wikipedia page, did the cover art; edition you PV says Karen Murray. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:27, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Murray is credited on the back cover. If you look closely at the two covers, they are subtly different. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:00, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::SFE also says Murray for the HC so maybe that's why someone entered it. I made 2 edits, one adding archived link and note about last unnumbered page and the other unmerging cover art. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:25, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== SF Writer's Workshop ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?102360; You entered price for Owlswick TP, as can be seen on back cover of archived copy, https://archive.org/search?query=longyear+workshop, the price is much lower, I'm letting you know in case something needs fixing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:56, 23 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:It would appear that Chalker/Owings got the price wrong. Please go ahead and update it. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:00, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== First Men in the Moon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5859839; I didn't actually erase anything at the time I made my edit, it's just that it took so long to be approved that the UK guy with the slang, who made an edit at almost exactly the same time as I did, has an edit queue much shorter than mine (as does pretty much everyone else) so it got approved first, which can easily be seen by going to edit history, so our edits conflicted. So I'm going to make another edit just adding archived link which he didn't do. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:45, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Odd that I didn't get the warning that the record was updated since the edit was submitted. You should probably refrain from adding archive.org links pending the results of [[Rules and standards discussions#Linking to third party Web pages -- defining "legally posted"|this discussion]]. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:49, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::You should read the message from long-time mod Marty just above yours in that discussion where he says it is not ISFDB's place to decide what's legal or not, we just make links and if the host of the link gets a request to take certain works down for whatever reason then we can just remove the link, which is exactly what I said earlier in that thread. I made a simple message about Moondust a few days ago and it's somehow gotten blown completely out of proportion; if anyone had a problem with ISFDB hosting links they would have told you so long ago. Just let it go and move on. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:57, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::Of course I read it. However, a single post in a discussion does not signify that the community has reached consensus on the issue. Unless there is consensus on the issue or consensus that we should keep adding such links while discussing (the question I raised), I will not be approving any edits adding the potentially problematic links. I would expect that the other moderators would behave in the same manner. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:03, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::There is rarely any consensus reached on anything discussed here; things usually just peter out without anything being decided. I know one thing, deciding to remove thousands of Internet Archive links, very many of which were added by me and were used by me and others as research tools to add/correct info here, because someone is paranoid that the internet police are going to come after this site after not doing so for the nearly 20 years it's been open to public editing, is the last option anyone should consider. We don't host, we post. My suggestion would be to just add a line or two to the legalese saying that links are only to be used for private use (i.e. reading the book) or research/study (that's what we do here) and, boom, issue solved. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:12, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::It would make fare more sense to raise your points on the Rules and Standards discussion rather than here. I see you've made other points, but not these. Regardless, this question isn't going to be resolved on my talk page. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:34, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Proposed change to title novel to shortfiction ==<br />
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Hi Ron. Faustus is looking to change[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5874311] a novel to shortfiction in a 1928 magazine due to it's low page count, your the only PV.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:38, 30 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:That's fine. I checked Miller/Contento and they have it as a novelette. It appears that [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] made the variant. Perhaps he misread "nv" as novel, assuming Miller/Contento was his source. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:05, 31 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Thanks, I'll make the changes.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 12:36, 31 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== once more with footnotes ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?71155; Page count is 282. Edit PENDING. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:18, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Spock Storybook ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?32222; While working on a ton of novelizations lately I came back across this one where my name is in the edit list followed by you adding a note about missing paper edition but this, https://www.amazon.co.uk/Storybook-Paramount-Pictures-Corporation-Paperback/dp/B00OQTMGQC, seems to be it. Also, a book club edition as seen on back cover, https://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-III-Search-Spock/dp/0671476629. I just made an edit adding an Amazon cover with another photo on the page showing back cover with correct ISBN and price; archived copy's cover was way too dark. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:58, 10 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for that. I've cloned the record for the paperback and moved the Reginald verification over. I'll leave it to you to enter the book club edition if you'd like. I'm not sure where to research which book club published it though SFBC seems likely. I'm also skeptical of the date for the BCE, though it may have been later in 1984. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:52, 10 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Deryni Magic ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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As you are the PV of both works, can you look at [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5740941 this submission] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5740946 this submission]. I do not have them on hold in case you want to handle them - if we go to Community, I will put them on hold pending the decision. We often create special series for the non-fiction in big series and Deryni Magic looks exactly like that so it makes sense to keep them separate... but they also can go up in the parent series. If you rather start a discussion on Community, I can do that as but as you are the sole verifier on one of these books, I am starting here. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:30, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hi Annie<br />
:In general, I don't like the way Kurtz's Deryni books have been put into series. I'm rarely a fan of the XXX Universe super-series which doesn't make sense in this instance, especially as the works contained in it are nearly all Kurtz's own short fiction. We have fan-fiction or sequels by other hands in a sub-series named "Deryni" and they are all authorized from an anthology edited by Kurtz. Lastly, I'd take ''King Kelson's Bride'' out of "The Histories of King Kelson" sub-series. My copy is certainly not marketed as part of that trilogy. If it were entirely up to me I'd keep the 4 trilogies as a sub-series of a single super-series of the Deryni series which would contain all of the other works. But that's not exactly what you asked. I don't really see a need to group ''Deryni Magic'' with ''Codex Derynianus''. I'm not even sure that the latter is properly non-fiction. It's one of those in-universe encyclopedias i.e. as if written by a fictional person from the setting. I see that [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] added the Deryni Magic series to {{T|102600|Codex Derynianus}}. The edit history for {{T|17013|Deryni Magic}} is less complete, but there was a title merge by Ahasuerus on the same day as the series edition to the other title. We may want to seek his input as to why these two were grouped by that series title. I'll leave a note on his talk page. If they must be grouped, I would prefer a name like "Deryni Non-Fiction", but my preference would be to not group them. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:12, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks for the answer - and that is why I started here. I am fine with either way - and I agree that the current series name makes little sense. Do you want to put the two submissions on hold until this is sorted out? (Or I can if you prefer - I just do not want someone to spend time digging through things and miss the conversations). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 21:23, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::I've held them. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:33, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: I am looking at the Title History page for {{T|17013|Deryni Magic}} and, surprisingly enough, I have a vague recollection of what may have happened to it back in 2006. I think I remember changing ''something'' in a robot-created Deryni record -- probably the title type which early ISFDB robots tended to set to NOVEL -- and then merging the result with a pre-existing title. Of course, it's been 17+ years, so I can't be sure, but it feels right. I also see that Bill Longley did another title merge that affected this title in 2009, but I don't know what that was about.<br />
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:::: Substantively, I have no objection to changing the series structure/name. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:49, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::::Thanks. I've approved the two edits in question. I've counted 15 active verifiers of Deryni books, and I think maybe a community discussion is warranted before restructuring the rest of the series. I'm going out of town on Saturday, so I don't really want to start that discussion until I get back. I'd rather not try to participate in a discussion using a tablet. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:19, 14 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Art of the Pulps ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5892306; Notes say copyright page date is September 2017 with actual date from Amazon but date entered here is September; was some more exact date supposed to be entered and wasn't? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:22, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:It was entered but was changed back to the date from the book. I'll remove the note. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:00, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== WFR #3 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/submitpub.cgi; Page count was added by other PV who often adds pages to the count that shouldn't be but since this is a magazine shouldn't all pages, including covers, be counted and count changed to 236? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:06, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Analog Science Fiction/Science Fact, Mid-December 1986 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?56983<br />
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hiya Ron your the only pv still hewing at the coalface for this one. just to let you know that he contents are missing another int art by hank jankus for "picaper" on p104. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 21:29, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hi Gaz<br />
:I see you've verified it as well. I'm about to go out of town for a bit, so please feel free to add the missing item. If you're not comfortable with that, I can take care of it when I get back. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:47, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::righto mate Ill have a pop at it. [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 22:03, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Theodore Sturgeon / Without Sorcery ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55088 Without Sorcery] and propose to 1) change Pages to xi+355. 2) change start page of Introduction to v. 3) change start page of Preface to viii. 4) add pub notes. 5) upload high res cover scan from my copy (existing image is a thumbnail). Is all this ok with you? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:30, 17 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:All those changes sound good. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:41, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Theodore Sturgeon / E Pluribus Unicorn ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?268135 E Pluribus Unicorn] and will correct two of the titles in the Contents section:<br />
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"The Silken-Swift" should be "The Silken-Swift..." (existing variant)<br />
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"The Professor's Teddy-Bear" should be "The Professor's Teddy Bear" (existing variant)<br />
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The pub record currently shows the titles as they appear in the ToC. I will add a pub note about the ToC discrepancies. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:46, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:As above, all these changes are fine. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:44, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Mona Lisa Overdrive audiobook ==<br />
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I added the price and ASIN to this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?993892 Mona Lisa Overdrive audiobook] record. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:40, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:I backed out the changes for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?993892 this edition] and applied them to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?993893 this edition] where they belonged. Sorry. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:48, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Disclosures in Scarlet ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5895461; Pasted $6.00 sticker on flap in case you want to add a note about that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:17, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:There is no evidence that that price sticker is from the publisher, so no need to add a note. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:46, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Are you sure? It's mentioned several times here, https://www.abebooks.com/book-search/title/disclosures-scarlet/author/jacobi-carl/first-edition/. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:00, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The SFWA Handbook ==<br />
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Ron, I'll leave [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5883345 this submission] for you. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?865674 This pub] was ignored when [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?879426 this one] was created. Don't know if you want to move your SV's or import and ask Michaelc to move his PV. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:02, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Catamount ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?233737; Archived link, +[1] to page count/[283] author's note. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:46, 24 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== A Praed Street Dossier ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5900107; There's no note about copies so you may want to enter it from the colophon at the end like you usually do for these AH/M&M books. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:05, 24 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Vathek ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2892553<br />
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Ron ive just been reading the introduction and bibliography by Roger Lonsdale in the OUP edition (1983) where he talks about the 1787 french editions and he says that the theory that they were retranslated from the english back into french is wrong. He says "Professor Parreaux's careful investigation finally disposed of this theory in 1960. The 1787 Lausanne text undoubtedly represents Beckford's own French text, from a manuscript which he must have had with him, in a slightly earlier state than that translated by Henley" He says that the 1787 Paris edition is a revised version of the Lausanne one but this one does contain some of Henley's notes for the English translation, retranslated into french. The bibliography indicates the first translation from the english back into french was in 1819.<br />
:All that might not be the final word and im sure you've dug into deeper than me but i thought you ought to know with regard to the notes for the title. I can scan the relevent pages and send them to you if youre interested. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 10:18, 25 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Hi Gaz<br />
::I haven't done any special research on this. I do see that [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vathek Wikipedia] sticks with the original composition in French. You could certainly add to the notes in the title record. However, I'd note it as an alternate theory and cite your sources. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:54, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::righto mate ill have a stab at it. Yeah Beckford wrote it in french and Henly was commisioned to do the english translation but he was cheesed off that beckford wouldnt let him publish and the rapscallion jumped the gun, published it without mentioning beckford and said it was translated from some old arab text. The dispute is about the french versions published shortly after the english one. I couldn't find anything in the wikipedia that says the first french versions were retranslated from henley's english version back into french which was what people originally believed and which lonsdale says has been refuted. Ill see if i can find any other source for the double translation theory. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 23:34, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Grandon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?21045; I just added edits with HathiTrust links to 333 and Werewolf of Ponkert, I checked online and all 6 books say The Grandon Company on the title page, I'm thinking of changing publisher's name to that, you PV 4 of them so if yours say the same let me know and then I'll make the change. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:23, 1 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:They all say "The Grandon Company" and it would be fine to change the publisher's name. Just make sure you update the publisher instead of individually updating all the publication records. Let me know if you have any issues. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:14, 1 March 2024 (EST)<br />
::I can't do that; I'm not a mod. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:34, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:::Updated. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:03, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Swear by Apollo ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291019; This is the book club edition (Random House / BCE) going by the page count but the record has trade price; your Reginald SV may be affected by that. There's a copy, https://www.etsy.com/listing/1292726176/swear-by-apollo-by-shirley-barker-1958, that shows trade with price on front and cover artist on back + LCCN on copyright page; eBay has nothing but club editions except for 1 seller who shows LCCN on copyright page but didn't bother with photos of the flaps. LoC site says 306 pages, not 307. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:33, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:Trade copy here, https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006592863. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:34, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
::Well, the Reginald verification is from [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]], not me. I also see that you effectively converted the publication record of the trade edition to that of the book club edition with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5022497 this edit] in 2021 while not adjusting the publisher to indicate the book club. Both the Reginald number and the Worldcat number refer to the trade edition. I would guess the page count in the record was 306 before you changed it, which would match Worldcat. What I'd recommend is that you back out your edit and restore the data for the trade edition. That would be easier than creating a new record for the trade, fixing the publisher of the BCE, removing the external IDs and then getting two other editors to move their verifications to a new trade record. After you've restored the trade edition, then you could clone it to create the BCE. Lastly, I'm not sure why you're asking me about this record. I'm not in the edit history and have no verifications, aside from marking the ones that are not applicable. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:17, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5908165; OK, so I went back and did it the way it was before and then improved it with lots of other info which the previous editors apparently didn't care to look up. As I've said before, the only reason I ask you is because you're around more often than some of the others (at least until recently when you're doing mostly your own audiobook edits) so when I see your name in a record I default to you. Mr. Hutchins hasn't really been actively editing for years and barely responds to anything, anyway, so no use asking them. Rudam is the one who approved my nearly 3-years-old previous edit and I believe he's the one who I asked to slow down on the approvals because I was finding things that needed fixing that they were not noticing because they were just running through dozens of approvals in the space of a few minutes just to get the queue down to size, I guess. They went off in a huff after that. So, you know, it's really difficult dealing with all the personalities here and figuring out who's around and who's mad at who and whatever so if I get a little confused sometimes I think it's understandable. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:04, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Futuristic Tales, No.1 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?995232<br />
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hiya ron sorry to bother you I just wanted to pick your brains about how to handle cases like this re the alternate names of the authors. Theres the 3 names which are all psuedonyms. The authors real name is not on the db - presumably if it was on the db then those 3 would be made alternate names of it. as the real parent name isnt listed then one of the others has been made the parent name (Stacker). Did you do that because it was the earliest one in the contents or was there some other reason? There's some more like that for later issues of this mag so i want to get on top of it before trying to sort them out myself. cheers from gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 17:35, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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Ron ive just noticed that you linked them by doing a variant title. Does using the alternate name route have the same outcome? [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 17:58, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hi Gaz<br />
:I recall these edits from earlier today. I went ahead and adjusted things to get the records in order, as you have noticed. The first thing I did was to add "Abu Khattub" as the legal name for the three pseudonyms (or rather "Khattub, Abu" which is the proper format for the legal name. In order to get those three stories under the same bibliography, there are two sets of edits that have to be done. First the authors must be linked. We ordinarily select whichever name the author is best know as in the field as the canonical name. Since we had three names with one story using each pseudonym, there was no way to give any name preference for the canonical, so I just chose one, Garry Stacker. If we find more publications by this author, we may need to adjust which name is canonical. I should also note that because there are no publications with the "Abu Khattub" credit, we cannot us that one as a canonical name. So, choosing Stacker as canonical, I then made the other two names into pseudonyms by navigating to each author and using the "Make/Remove Alternate Name" tool. The other set of edits is to make the title records under the alternate names into variants of a parent title using the canonical name. Again, I went to each title record and used the "Make This Title a Variant" tool, selecting Option 2 with "Garry Stacker" as the author name to make the new parent title. I hope this answers your question, but let me know if you need me to expand on any steps in the process. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:11, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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::cheers mate, a bit more in it than i thought, i'm glad I asked else i would have only tried to do one or the other of those. Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 20:46, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== New York 2140 Audiobook ==<br />
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Hello, question about the ISBN from audiobook download {{P|994420|New York 2140}}; where did you source it from? It doesn't match the one listed on the Hachette site (9781549128141). Thanks! [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] ([[User talk:Albinoflea|talk]]) 22:10, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hi Albinoflea<br />
:Sure, I got that from the linked Worldcat record and the same ISBN is used for the three eAudiobook records I can find in Worldcat. I did find a different ISBN, 9781478941224, listed in [https://www.audiofilemagazine.com/reviews/read/127281/new-york-2140-by-kim-stanley-robinson-read-by-suzanne-toren-robin-miles/ this review], however, searching that in Worldcat returns a record for the print book which doesn't actually list that ISBN. Worldcat does not have the ISBN from the Hachette site. I'll admit that I'm finding audiobook ISBNs a bit puzzling. Audible doesn't list them and they do not appear in the book, nor in the metadata that I can see when I import them in iTunes. Worldcat can list multiple ISBNs, though it doesn't in this instance. That review site will sometimes list library edition ISBNs in addition to trade, but again, not in this instance. For ''New York 2140'' I suppose that we could list them all in the current record and cite the source of each. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:44, 7 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Scream for Jeeves ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?487698; Starting number of first story is wrong, title of essay is wrong. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:24, 12 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:Updated. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:25, 12 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== The Dark Tower ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?63665<br />
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hiya ron i'm having a look at the int art for my book (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?167561) to see if the existing int art title can be added to the contents. The hodder hb has 12 named colour plates listed on an illustrations content page. just wanted to check if the american editions have the same pictures. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 14:27, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:Hi Gaz<br />
:I replaced the {{P|63665|trade edition}} above with the {{P|770401|Artist Signed Edition}}, which is why I marked the former verification as transient. You may try reaching out to [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] who has a permanent verification on that edition. I can tell you that the Artist Signed Edition also lists twelve color plates on the illustration contents page. There are also several monochrome spot illustrations and illustrations for section headings in addition to pictorial end-papers. Hope this is helpful for you. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:10, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:: sorry mate i didnt notice it was a transient, thanks for the info cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 20:07, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== The Baum Bugle, Spring 2023 ==<br />
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Please see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5847952 this edit] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5847960 this edit] which impact your verified {{P|984332|The Baum Bugle, Spring 2023}}. Let me know how I should respond to submitter on first one and whether I should accept the second one. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:10, 24 March 2024 (EDT)</div>
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* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive3]] (2010)<br />
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* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive8]] (2015)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive9]] (2016)<br />
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* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive11]] (2018)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive12]] (2019)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive13]] (2020)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive14]] (2021)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive15]] (2022)<br />
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== Cover Image Licenses ==<br />
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When using the "Upload new cover scan" option from a publication page, the software will automatically add a licensing template pre-populated with the publication information. In this case, you do not need to select a license under the "Licensing" pull down on the upload page (as it creates adds a second, incomplete template that needs to be cleaned up). The "Licensing" pull down only needs to be used when using the upload option from the wiki directly. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:42, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Thanks. Good to know. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:49, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?985361 Starman Jones] audio reading ==<br />
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Hi, Ron! Just wondering: the noted narrator and the one stated on the cover image do differ. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:16, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:You are correct. But is appears that the cover has the incorrect narrator. Audible credits Paul Michael Garcia in their [https://www.audible.com/pd/Starman-Jones-Audiobook/B002UZQYN0 current listing] and I re-listened to the credits in the audio book which which also credit Garcia. I had already checked that the current cover on the Audible site (the same as linked in the publication record), matches the one I downloaded when I purchased this book in 2011. The images are identical and both credit Powers, apparently incorrectly, as you noticed. I'll add a note that pictured credit is incorrect. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:30, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Kioga Titles ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=kioga%3A&type=All+Titles; Should those all say "informal"? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:54, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Corrected. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:58, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Amazing Stories, October 1960 ==<br />
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Regarding {{P|56651|Amazing Stories, October 1960}}: Would you mind checking the artwork on page 83? It is listed as "The Missionary [2]" by Bernklau, but Bernklau did the "Seeing Eye" artwork right before and Emsh did the "The Missionary" artwork after it. Should this be "Seeing Eye [2]"? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:40, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I agree and have made the change. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:07, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::OK by me.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] ([[User talk:Swfritter|talk]]) 18:52, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== HIstórias Extraordinárias N.7 ==<br />
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Hello Rtrace, thanks for reviewing and approving my submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5838401 5838401].<br />
I must have missed some information in it because it is not appearing as part of the series in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?67858 magazine series page] in the 2023 December slot.<br />
Could you please fix it or tell me where I should insert the pertinent information so it can appear there?<br />
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Thanks! [[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 13:00, 9 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hi Pugno<br />
:Magazines are just a little bit tricky and involve at least one edit beyond the initial one to get everything correct. One thing that you missed in adding this record was to add the series name, "Histórias Extraordinárias", in the Title Data section of the New Magazine screen. Had you done this, your new record would have appeared in the Issue Grid. However, even had you don that, there still would be an addition step to do. We can take care of the series name at the same time that we do this second step. You may have noticed that Magazine and Fanzine records have a special Title record of type EDITOR. Also that title record contains all the publications (issues) for a given calendar year that have the same editors. For example, the title record for 2023 for Histórias Extraordinárias is {{T|3180646|here}}. You'll notice that the title is different that that of the individual issues ("Histórias Extraordinárias - 2023") and that the date is for the year only i.e. no month or day. For the first issue that is added for a given year, the EDITOR title record has to be edited to change those fields. In this case, since the 2023 title already exists, all we need to do is to merge your newly created EDITOR title ({{T|3265222|here}} with the existing 2023 title. The best way to do that is to go to any of the three editor's pages and select "Show All Titles". Then find the two titles in question ("Histórias Extraordinárias - 2023" and "Histórias Extraordinárias, Dezembro 2023"). Select the check boxes next to these and click the "Merge Selected Records" button. This will take you to an intermediate page to resolve the conflicts between the two records. Select the title with the dash and the year, the series name and the date without the month and click "Complete Merge". Once that edit is approved, things will appear as they should. Please go ahead and give it a try if you feel comfortable with the instructions. If not, feel free to ask questions or if you'd like me to take care of the merge for you. I'm happy to do so, but wanted to give you the change to learn how to do this. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:38, 9 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::Hi Rtrace<br />
::I am not sure I understood it all :) So what I did was to submit a change ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5856081 #5856081]) and I kindly ask you to please adjust it accordingly so it can appear correctly in the series page. I tried to follow your instructions and use the "Show All Titles" that you mentioned but alas, couldn't find it. I am sorry.<br />
::In the meantime, for the same magazine, I will also submit a number of changes to create variants of interiorarts, since they are the same art appearing in different spots, just zoomed in. Thanks! [[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 22:55, 10 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::I'll go ahead and do the merge. For the next time you need it, the "Show All Titles" link in on the author bibliography page e.g. {{A|Mario Cavalcanti}}. In the left menu, under "Editing Tools", it's the 4th item down (or the second from the bottom, I've got the Moderator link first, which I'm not sure you can see, so your count may differ). In any case, thanks for your contributions on these. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:41, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::Rtrace, thank you very much for your help. I hadn't realized that the "Show all Titles" link could be accessed via the author bibliography page. Now it is clear! Now I submitted two variant adjustements, #[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5856083 5856083] and #[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5856084 5856084] to correctly set two interior arts. Could you please see to it? Once it is done, I will clone the magazine to create its ebook version. Once again, thanks a lot!! [[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 21:35, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::Both approved. You can proceed with cloning. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:38, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::Thanks Rtrace! I just cloned it. Submission #[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5857813 5857813] - hope it is all OK. Thanks again! [[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 17:20, 12 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Fourth Invasion by Alvim Correa ==<br />
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I saw that you registered Black Infinity, Fall 2018 and have two INTERIORART attributed to Alvim Corrrea, wouldn't it be a case of turning it into a variant of La guerre des mondes? [[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 08:57, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I wouldn't think so. Those are two individual illustrations. Whereas, {{T|743875|La guerre des mondes}} is the full set of illustrations for a book. We don't generally make variant titles for only part of the whole (excepting serials). --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:44, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Exhalation ==<br />
In Your pv pub [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?788223 CoNZealand: 78th World Science Fiction Convention] there is an interiorart [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2763640 Exhalation (cover)] as a variant of "Exhalation" cover. In the ISFDB there are three cover titles Exhalation: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2780439 here], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2777439 here] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2553590 here]. Can You please have a look which one is the right one or is there another fittig title? Thank You. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 18:16, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:It's the Shutterstock cover. I'm guessing that we hadn't identified the "artist" it at the time I entered the ConZealand book, or I would have linked it then. I'm not thrilled with identifying Shutterstock as an artist. My impression is that they are more of a licensing company than a creator of artwork, but I'll defer to the verifier of publication. All linked now. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:54, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Robert Anton Wilson / Schrödinger's Cat - Glossary ==<br />
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Posted on the Talk pages of Rtrace, Marc Kupper, Spacecow<br />
<br>All of the publications: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49137 The Universe Next Door] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29062 The Trick Top Hat] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29063 The Homing Pigeons] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?985980 Schrödinger's Cat Trilogy] have a glossary at the back. I have all four of these pubs and have compared the glossaries and they are all the same. There is an existing ISFDb record for the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?656785 glossary] and it is present in the omnibus (all five print versions) but none of the individual volumes. Hence I propose to import it into each of these three pubs. As a consequence, I will also change the disambiguation from the omnibus name to the series name, ie from "Glossary (Schrödinger's Cat Trilogy)" to "Glossary (Schrödinger's Cat)". Is all this ok with you? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:38, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I've no objections. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:19, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== K. J. Parker's Relics/Under My Skin ==<br />
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You've PVed the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?934729 2023 Under My Skin] collection. One of the Hugo novella nominees seems to be the story [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3160540 Relics], which seems like [https://csfdb.cn/works/34951 it was first published in Chinese translation in 2022]. Can you have a look at the copyright page (which isn't part of Amazon's preview of the ebook) to see if that's correct? Thanks!<br />
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BTW, I'm not rushing to do the Hugos, given the errors in the nom report e.g. at least two duplicated nominees... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:28, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:The Parker story gives a 2023 copyright and states "First appeared in this volume". That would appear to ignore the translation. I am adding nomination data for the Hugos, though the Chinese titles are giving me trouble. Please feel free to correct any errors that you see that I've made. The duplicate nominees were called out in one of the blogs, which I'm keeping an eye on. There's definitely several odd things about the nomination statistics. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:43, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3107243 This] is Fungi Song according to [https://csfdb.cn/works/37152 CSFDB]. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:03, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::: Hi, I'm just slowly going over the Chinese entries. I've added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3272563 a title record] for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3272563 this "stub" award entry], but I'm perplexed how to get it to show the author name in the award record. Any ideas?<br />
::: Thanks! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 12:35, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::I took care of it. The author needs to be listed in the "untitled" award record before it is linked. I unlinked them, added the author and then re-linked them. The title and author fields are not editable in an award that has been linked to a title record.<br />
::::For the other two above, were you going to add the original Chinese publications? In both cases, the nomination was for the Chinese version of the story as opposed to English original/translation. I can help link them if you'd like, or you can proceed, but to avoid the above problem, the author's name should be added to the award record prior to linking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:13, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::: Yeah, I'll do those short fiction records when I get to them - I'm planning on cleaning up one category a day.<br />
::::: Did you get very far on researching 余光 aka Residual Light (#13 in the Best Novel noms)? I noticed you hadn't done that one. Arthur Liu (CSFDB head honcho) mentioned that they couldn't track it down, even though it looked like it was a Chinese story. I've now found [https://www.everand.com/read/653149574/Residual-Light a very weird 2023 English language pub] that looks to be (machine?) translated from another language, I'm wondering if that's it? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:55, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::I didn't really go much past checking Worldcat, amazon.cn, and google. I'm interpreting whichever language is listed first as the one that was nominated in cases of translated works. Since authors are not listed, I've omitted them if I wasn't able to find the nominee, which was the case with this one. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:49, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::: Cheers; with the help of someone in (I think) Indonesia, we managed to identify what exactly Residual Light is, and I've added a proper title record and updated the award record, so I think this one is as good as it's going to get. Apparently one of the Best Series nominees is related to it, but I've not looked into it as yet.<br />
::::::: Will try to start on some of the other categories tomorrow - not had chance today. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:26, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Robert A. Heinlein / Stranger in a Strange Land ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?297700 Stranger in a Strange Land] and have added notes and also deleted OCLC/Worldcat: 220513743 because it refers to a different edition (1977, 21cm (ie hc) and different ISBNs). My submission is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5865682 here]. I cannot find a record on OCLC/Worldcat for this specific printing but this pub record has been SVd to OCLC/Worldcat by Bluesman who is no longer active. Is it possible to get SVs by inactive verifiers removed? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:27, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I've approved your edit and removed the Worldcat verification. Any moderator can remove a secondary verification, but since that feature was added, I'm the only one to use it. I only do so when the verifier is inactive. In any case, thanks for your edit. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:32, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Girl in a Swing ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?11141; 1980 UK HC on Archive.org says, on back flap, that Reginald George Haggar, who has his own Wikipedia page, did the cover art; edition you PV says Karen Murray. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:27, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Murray is credited on the back cover. If you look closely at the two covers, they are subtly different. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:00, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::SFE also says Murray for the HC so maybe that's why someone entered it. I made 2 edits, one adding archived link and note about last unnumbered page and the other unmerging cover art. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:25, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== SF Writer's Workshop ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?102360; You entered price for Owlswick TP, as can be seen on back cover of archived copy, https://archive.org/search?query=longyear+workshop, the price is much lower, I'm letting you know in case something needs fixing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:56, 23 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:It would appear that Chalker/Owings got the price wrong. Please go ahead and update it. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:00, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== First Men in the Moon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5859839; I didn't actually erase anything at the time I made my edit, it's just that it took so long to be approved that the UK guy with the slang, who made an edit at almost exactly the same time as I did, has an edit queue much shorter than mine (as does pretty much everyone else) so it got approved first, which can easily be seen by going to edit history, so our edits conflicted. So I'm going to make another edit just adding archived link which he didn't do. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:45, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Odd that I didn't get the warning that the record was updated since the edit was submitted. You should probably refrain from adding archive.org links pending the results of [[Rules and standards discussions#Linking to third party Web pages -- defining "legally posted"|this discussion]]. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:49, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::You should read the message from long-time mod Marty just above yours in that discussion where he says it is not ISFDB's place to decide what's legal or not, we just make links and if the host of the link gets a request to take certain works down for whatever reason then we can just remove the link, which is exactly what I said earlier in that thread. I made a simple message about Moondust a few days ago and it's somehow gotten blown completely out of proportion; if anyone had a problem with ISFDB hosting links they would have told you so long ago. Just let it go and move on. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:57, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::Of course I read it. However, a single post in a discussion does not signify that the community has reached consensus on the issue. Unless there is consensus on the issue or consensus that we should keep adding such links while discussing (the question I raised), I will not be approving any edits adding the potentially problematic links. I would expect that the other moderators would behave in the same manner. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:03, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::There is rarely any consensus reached on anything discussed here; things usually just peter out without anything being decided. I know one thing, deciding to remove thousands of Internet Archive links, very many of which were added by me and were used by me and others as research tools to add/correct info here, because someone is paranoid that the internet police are going to come after this site after not doing so for the nearly 20 years it's been open to public editing, is the last option anyone should consider. We don't host, we post. My suggestion would be to just add a line or two to the legalese saying that links are only to be used for private use (i.e. reading the book) or research/study (that's what we do here) and, boom, issue solved. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:12, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::It would make fare more sense to raise your points on the Rules and Standards discussion rather than here. I see you've made other points, but not these. Regardless, this question isn't going to be resolved on my talk page. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:34, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Proposed change to title novel to shortfiction ==<br />
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Hi Ron. Faustus is looking to change[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5874311] a novel to shortfiction in a 1928 magazine due to it's low page count, your the only PV.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:38, 30 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:That's fine. I checked Miller/Contento and they have it as a novelette. It appears that [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] made the variant. Perhaps he misread "nv" as novel, assuming Miller/Contento was his source. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:05, 31 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Thanks, I'll make the changes.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 12:36, 31 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== once more with footnotes ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?71155; Page count is 282. Edit PENDING. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:18, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Spock Storybook ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?32222; While working on a ton of novelizations lately I came back across this one where my name is in the edit list followed by you adding a note about missing paper edition but this, https://www.amazon.co.uk/Storybook-Paramount-Pictures-Corporation-Paperback/dp/B00OQTMGQC, seems to be it. Also, a book club edition as seen on back cover, https://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-III-Search-Spock/dp/0671476629. I just made an edit adding an Amazon cover with another photo on the page showing back cover with correct ISBN and price; archived copy's cover was way too dark. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:58, 10 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for that. I've cloned the record for the paperback and moved the Reginald verification over. I'll leave it to you to enter the book club edition if you'd like. I'm not sure where to research which book club published it though SFBC seems likely. I'm also skeptical of the date for the BCE, though it may have been later in 1984. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:52, 10 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Deryni Magic ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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As you are the PV of both works, can you look at [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5740941 this submission] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5740946 this submission]. I do not have them on hold in case you want to handle them - if we go to Community, I will put them on hold pending the decision. We often create special series for the non-fiction in big series and Deryni Magic looks exactly like that so it makes sense to keep them separate... but they also can go up in the parent series. If you rather start a discussion on Community, I can do that as but as you are the sole verifier on one of these books, I am starting here. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:30, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hi Annie<br />
:In general, I don't like the way Kurtz's Deryni books have been put into series. I'm rarely a fan of the XXX Universe super-series which doesn't make sense in this instance, especially as the works contained in it are nearly all Kurtz's own short fiction. We have fan-fiction or sequels by other hands in a sub-series named "Deryni" and they are all authorized from an anthology edited by Kurtz. Lastly, I'd take ''King Kelson's Bride'' out of "The Histories of King Kelson" sub-series. My copy is certainly not marketed as part of that trilogy. If it were entirely up to me I'd keep the 4 trilogies as a sub-series of a single super-series of the Deryni series which would contain all of the other works. But that's not exactly what you asked. I don't really see a need to group ''Deryni Magic'' with ''Codex Derynianus''. I'm not even sure that the latter is properly non-fiction. It's one of those in-universe encyclopedias i.e. as if written by a fictional person from the setting. I see that [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] added the Deryni Magic series to {{T|102600|Codex Derynianus}}. The edit history for {{T|17013|Deryni Magic}} is less complete, but there was a title merge by Ahasuerus on the same day as the series edition to the other title. We may want to seek his input as to why these two were grouped by that series title. I'll leave a note on his talk page. If they must be grouped, I would prefer a name like "Deryni Non-Fiction", but my preference would be to not group them. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:12, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks for the answer - and that is why I started here. I am fine with either way - and I agree that the current series name makes little sense. Do you want to put the two submissions on hold until this is sorted out? (Or I can if you prefer - I just do not want someone to spend time digging through things and miss the conversations). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 21:23, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::I've held them. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:33, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: I am looking at the Title History page for {{T|17013|Deryni Magic}} and, surprisingly enough, I have a vague recollection of what may have happened to it back in 2006. I think I remember changing ''something'' in a robot-created Deryni record -- probably the title type which early ISFDB robots tended to set to NOVEL -- and then merging the result with a pre-existing title. Of course, it's been 17+ years, so I can't be sure, but it feels right. I also see that Bill Longley did another title merge that affected this title in 2009, but I don't know what that was about.<br />
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:::: Substantively, I have no objection to changing the series structure/name. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:49, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::::Thanks. I've approved the two edits in question. I've counted 15 active verifiers of Deryni books, and I think maybe a community discussion is warranted before restructuring the rest of the series. I'm going out of town on Saturday, so I don't really want to start that discussion until I get back. I'd rather not try to participate in a discussion using a tablet. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:19, 14 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Art of the Pulps ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5892306; Notes say copyright page date is September 2017 with actual date from Amazon but date entered here is September; was some more exact date supposed to be entered and wasn't? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:22, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:It was entered but was changed back to the date from the book. I'll remove the note. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:00, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== WFR #3 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/submitpub.cgi; Page count was added by other PV who often adds pages to the count that shouldn't be but since this is a magazine shouldn't all pages, including covers, be counted and count changed to 236? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:06, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Analog Science Fiction/Science Fact, Mid-December 1986 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?56983<br />
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hiya Ron your the only pv still hewing at the coalface for this one. just to let you know that he contents are missing another int art by hank jankus for "picaper" on p104. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 21:29, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hi Gaz<br />
:I see you've verified it as well. I'm about to go out of town for a bit, so please feel free to add the missing item. If you're not comfortable with that, I can take care of it when I get back. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:47, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::righto mate Ill have a pop at it. [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 22:03, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Theodore Sturgeon / Without Sorcery ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55088 Without Sorcery] and propose to 1) change Pages to xi+355. 2) change start page of Introduction to v. 3) change start page of Preface to viii. 4) add pub notes. 5) upload high res cover scan from my copy (existing image is a thumbnail). Is all this ok with you? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:30, 17 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:All those changes sound good. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:41, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Theodore Sturgeon / E Pluribus Unicorn ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?268135 E Pluribus Unicorn] and will correct two of the titles in the Contents section:<br />
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"The Silken-Swift" should be "The Silken-Swift..." (existing variant)<br />
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"The Professor's Teddy-Bear" should be "The Professor's Teddy Bear" (existing variant)<br />
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The pub record currently shows the titles as they appear in the ToC. I will add a pub note about the ToC discrepancies. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:46, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:As above, all these changes are fine. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:44, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Mona Lisa Overdrive audiobook ==<br />
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I added the price and ASIN to this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?993892 Mona Lisa Overdrive audiobook] record. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:40, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:I backed out the changes for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?993892 this edition] and applied them to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?993893 this edition] where they belonged. Sorry. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:48, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Disclosures in Scarlet ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5895461; Pasted $6.00 sticker on flap in case you want to add a note about that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:17, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:There is no evidence that that price sticker is from the publisher, so no need to add a note. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:46, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Are you sure? It's mentioned several times here, https://www.abebooks.com/book-search/title/disclosures-scarlet/author/jacobi-carl/first-edition/. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:00, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The SFWA Handbook ==<br />
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Ron, I'll leave [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5883345 this submission] for you. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?865674 This pub] was ignored when [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?879426 this one] was created. Don't know if you want to move your SV's or import and ask Michaelc to move his PV. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:02, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Catamount ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?233737; Archived link, +[1] to page count/[283] author's note. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:46, 24 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== A Praed Street Dossier ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5900107; There's no note about copies so you may want to enter it from the colophon at the end like you usually do for these AH/M&M books. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:05, 24 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Vathek ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2892553<br />
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Ron ive just been reading the introduction and bibliography by Roger Lonsdale in the OUP edition (1983) where he talks about the 1787 french editions and he says that the theory that they were retranslated from the english back into french is wrong. He says "Professor Parreaux's careful investigation finally disposed of this theory in 1960. The 1787 Lausanne text undoubtedly represents Beckford's own French text, from a manuscript which he must have had with him, in a slightly earlier state than that translated by Henley" He says that the 1787 Paris edition is a revised version of the Lausanne one but this one does contain some of Henley's notes for the English translation, retranslated into french. The bibliography indicates the first translation from the english back into french was in 1819.<br />
:All that might not be the final word and im sure you've dug into deeper than me but i thought you ought to know with regard to the notes for the title. I can scan the relevent pages and send them to you if youre interested. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 10:18, 25 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Hi Gaz<br />
::I haven't done any special research on this. I do see that [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vathek Wikipedia] sticks with the original composition in French. You could certainly add to the notes in the title record. However, I'd note it as an alternate theory and cite your sources. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:54, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::righto mate ill have a stab at it. Yeah Beckford wrote it in french and Henly was commisioned to do the english translation but he was cheesed off that beckford wouldnt let him publish and the rapscallion jumped the gun, published it without mentioning beckford and said it was translated from some old arab text. The dispute is about the french versions published shortly after the english one. I couldn't find anything in the wikipedia that says the first french versions were retranslated from henley's english version back into french which was what people originally believed and which lonsdale says has been refuted. Ill see if i can find any other source for the double translation theory. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 23:34, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Grandon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?21045; I just added edits with HathiTrust links to 333 and Werewolf of Ponkert, I checked online and all 6 books say The Grandon Company on the title page, I'm thinking of changing publisher's name to that, you PV 4 of them so if yours say the same let me know and then I'll make the change. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:23, 1 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:They all say "The Grandon Company" and it would be fine to change the publisher's name. Just make sure you update the publisher instead of individually updating all the publication records. Let me know if you have any issues. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:14, 1 March 2024 (EST)<br />
::I can't do that; I'm not a mod. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:34, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:::Updated. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:03, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Swear by Apollo ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291019; This is the book club edition (Random House / BCE) going by the page count but the record has trade price; your Reginald SV may be affected by that. There's a copy, https://www.etsy.com/listing/1292726176/swear-by-apollo-by-shirley-barker-1958, that shows trade with price on front and cover artist on back + LCCN on copyright page; eBay has nothing but club editions except for 1 seller who shows LCCN on copyright page but didn't bother with photos of the flaps. LoC site says 306 pages, not 307. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:33, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:Trade copy here, https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006592863. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:34, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
::Well, the Reginald verification is from [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]], not me. I also see that you effectively converted the publication record of the trade edition to that of the book club edition with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5022497 this edit] in 2021 while not adjusting the publisher to indicate the book club. Both the Reginald number and the Worldcat number refer to the trade edition. I would guess the page count in the record was 306 before you changed it, which would match Worldcat. What I'd recommend is that you back out your edit and restore the data for the trade edition. That would be easier than creating a new record for the trade, fixing the publisher of the BCE, removing the external IDs and then getting two other editors to move their verifications to a new trade record. After you've restored the trade edition, then you could clone it to create the BCE. Lastly, I'm not sure why you're asking me about this record. I'm not in the edit history and have no verifications, aside from marking the ones that are not applicable. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:17, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5908165; OK, so I went back and did it the way it was before and then improved it with lots of other info which the previous editors apparently didn't care to look up. As I've said before, the only reason I ask you is because you're around more often than some of the others (at least until recently when you're doing mostly your own audiobook edits) so when I see your name in a record I default to you. Mr. Hutchins hasn't really been actively editing for years and barely responds to anything, anyway, so no use asking them. Rudam is the one who approved my nearly 3-years-old previous edit and I believe he's the one who I asked to slow down on the approvals because I was finding things that needed fixing that they were not noticing because they were just running through dozens of approvals in the space of a few minutes just to get the queue down to size, I guess. They went off in a huff after that. So, you know, it's really difficult dealing with all the personalities here and figuring out who's around and who's mad at who and whatever so if I get a little confused sometimes I think it's understandable. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:04, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Futuristic Tales, No.1 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?995232<br />
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hiya ron sorry to bother you I just wanted to pick your brains about how to handle cases like this re the alternate names of the authors. Theres the 3 names which are all psuedonyms. The authors real name is not on the db - presumably if it was on the db then those 3 would be made alternate names of it. as the real parent name isnt listed then one of the others has been made the parent name (Stacker). Did you do that because it was the earliest one in the contents or was there some other reason? There's some more like that for later issues of this mag so i want to get on top of it before trying to sort them out myself. cheers from gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 17:35, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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Ron ive just noticed that you linked them by doing a variant title. Does using the alternate name route have the same outcome? [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 17:58, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hi Gaz<br />
:I recall these edits from earlier today. I went ahead and adjusted things to get the records in order, as you have noticed. The first thing I did was to add "Abu Khattub" as the legal name for the three pseudonyms (or rather "Khattub, Abu" which is the proper format for the legal name. In order to get those three stories under the same bibliography, there are two sets of edits that have to be done. First the authors must be linked. We ordinarily select whichever name the author is best know as in the field as the canonical name. Since we had three names with one story using each pseudonym, there was no way to give any name preference for the canonical, so I just chose one, Garry Stacker. If we find more publications by this author, we may need to adjust which name is canonical. I should also note that because there are no publications with the "Abu Khattub" credit, we cannot us that one as a canonical name. So, choosing Stacker as canonical, I then made the other two names into pseudonyms by navigating to each author and using the "Make/Remove Alternate Name" tool. The other set of edits is to make the title records under the alternate names into variants of a parent title using the canonical name. Again, I went to each title record and used the "Make This Title a Variant" tool, selecting Option 2 with "Garry Stacker" as the author name to make the new parent title. I hope this answers your question, but let me know if you need me to expand on any steps in the process. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:11, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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::cheers mate, a bit more in it than i thought, i'm glad I asked else i would have only tried to do one or the other of those. Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 20:46, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== New York 2140 Audiobook ==<br />
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Hello, question about the ISBN from audiobook download {{P|994420|New York 2140}}; where did you source it from? It doesn't match the one listed on the Hachette site (9781549128141). Thanks! [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] ([[User talk:Albinoflea|talk]]) 22:10, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hi Albinoflea<br />
:Sure, I got that from the linked Worldcat record and the same ISBN is used for the three eAudiobook records I can find in Worldcat. I did find a different ISBN, 9781478941224, listed in [https://www.audiofilemagazine.com/reviews/read/127281/new-york-2140-by-kim-stanley-robinson-read-by-suzanne-toren-robin-miles/ this review], however, searching that in Worldcat returns a record for the print book which doesn't actually list that ISBN. Worldcat does not have the ISBN from the Hachette site. I'll admit that I'm finding audiobook ISBNs a bit puzzling. Audible doesn't list them and they do not appear in the book, nor in the metadata that I can see when I import them in iTunes. Worldcat can list multiple ISBNs, though it doesn't in this instance. That review site will sometimes list library edition ISBNs in addition to trade, but again, not in this instance. For ''New York 2140'' I suppose that we could list them all in the current record and cite the source of each. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:44, 7 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Scream for Jeeves ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?487698; Starting number of first story is wrong, title of essay is wrong. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:24, 12 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:Updated. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:25, 12 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== The Dark Tower ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?63665<br />
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hiya ron i'm having a look at the int art for my book (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?167561) to see if the existing int art title can be added to the contents. The hodder hb has 12 named colour plates listed on an illustrations content page. just wanted to check if the american editions have the same pictures. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 14:27, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:Hi Gaz<br />
:I replaced the {{P|63665|trade edition}} above with the {{P|770401|Artist Signed Edition}}, which is why I marked the former verification as transient. You may try reaching out to [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] who has a permanent verification on that edition. I can tell you that the Artist Signed Edition also lists twelve color plates on the illustration contents page. There are also several monochrome spot illustrations and illustrations for section headings in addition to pictorial end-papers. Hope this is helpful for you. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:10, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:: sorry mate i didnt notice it was a transient, thanks for the info cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 20:07, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== The Baum Bugle, Spring 2023 ==<br />
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Please see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5847952 this edit] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5847960this edit] which impact your verified {{P|984332|The Baum Bugle, Spring 2023}}. Let me know how I should respond to submitter on first one and whether I should accept the second one. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:10, 24 March 2024 (EDT)</div>
JLaTondre
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Sprinter7124&diff=682594
User talk:Sprinter7124
2024-03-24T14:07:03Z
<p>JLaTondre: /* Mag'ison */ new section</p>
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I have rejected [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5872225 this submission]. We are a database of written speculative fiction and nonfiction about written speculative fiction. Please see [[ISFDB:Policy#Contents.2FProject_Scope_Policy|our project scope]] for more details. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:07, 24 March 2024 (EDT)</div>
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:NewGuyHere&diff=682592
User talk:NewGuyHere
2024-03-24T13:56:48Z
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== Dostoevsky's Demons 150th Anniversary Edition ==<br />
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I am holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5828629 this submission]: Does this story include any speculative fiction (science fiction, fantasy, or supernatural horror) elements? Plot summaries I can find (including [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demons_(Dostoevsky_novel)#Plot%20summary this long one at Wikipedia]) do not mention any. The Demons in the title appear to refer to mundane psychological issues instead. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:56, 24 March 2024 (EDT)</div>
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2024-03-24T13:44:59Z
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== Scott Fivelson ==<br />
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What is the source for your proposed birth date addition to {{A|Scott Fivelson}}? The ISFDB only uses publicly available biographic data. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:25, 9 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:As there has not been a response, I have had to reject the edit. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:44, 24 March 2024 (EDT)</div>
JLaTondre
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:TheFinalFrontier1701&diff=682019
User talk:TheFinalFrontier1701
2024-03-18T09:59:27Z
<p>JLaTondre: /* Appointment With Death */</p>
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== Appointment With Death ==<br />
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Regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5849059 this submission]: Are there any speculative fiction elements to this novel? The plot summaries I have read indicate there is not. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:20, 10 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:Hello! There are not any Speculative Fiction aspects in this novel. I just noticed that Agatha Christie had a page on the ISFDB, and I wanted to add in a work to make it a more complete bibliography. I totally understand though if my submission is rejected due to its genre.[[User:TheFinalFrontier1701|TheFinalFrontier1701]] ([[User talk:TheFinalFrontier1701|talk]]) 19:07, 17 March 2024 (EDT) = TheFinalFrontier1701 23:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)<br />
::We only include nongenre publications when the author is a noted speculative fiction author. As Agatha Christie is not, we would not include her nongenre publications. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 05:59, 18 March 2024 (EDT)</div>
JLaTondre
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:TheFinalFrontier1701&diff=682018
User talk:TheFinalFrontier1701
2024-03-18T09:59:06Z
<p>JLaTondre: /* Appointment With Death */</p>
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<div>{{welcome}}[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 00:23, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Appointment With Death ==<br />
<br />
Regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5849059 this submission]: Are there any speculative fiction elements to this novel? The plot summaries I have read indicate there is not. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:20, 10 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:Hello! There are not any Speculative Fiction aspects in this novel. I just noticed that Agatha Christie had a page on the ISFDB, and I wanted to add in a work to make it a more complete bibliography. I totally understand though if my submission is rejected due to its genre.[[User:TheFinalFrontier1701|TheFinalFrontier1701]] ([[User talk:TheFinalFrontier1701|talk]]) 19:07, 17 March 2024 (EDT) = TheFinalFrontier1701 23:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)<br />
::We only include nongenre publication when the author is a noted speculative fiction author. As Agatha Christie is not, we would not include her nongenre publications. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 05:59, 18 March 2024 (EDT)</div>
JLaTondre
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Y2hA&diff=681996
User talk:Y2hA
2024-03-17T19:44:18Z
<p>JLaTondre: welcome</p>
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JLaTondre
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:LKDDMNWLKN2014.jpg&diff=681888
File:LKDDMNWLKN2014.jpg
2024-03-16T14:23:17Z
<p>JLaTondre: {{CID1
|Title=Like a Dead Man Walking: And Other Shadow Tales
|Edition=Centipede Press 2013 hc
|Pub=LKDDMNWLKN2014
|Publisher=Centipede Press
|Artist=David Ho
|ArtistId=23116
|Source=Internet Archive}}</p>
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=Like a Dead Man Walking: And Other Shadow Tales<br />
|Edition=Centipede Press 2013 hc<br />
|Pub=LKDDMNWLKN2014<br />
|Publisher=Centipede Press<br />
|Artist=David Ho<br />
|ArtistId=23116<br />
|Source=Internet Archive}}</div>
JLaTondre
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:JohnHoward&diff=681857
User talk:JohnHoward
2024-03-15T23:25:09Z
<p>JLaTondre: /* The Dream Archipelago */</p>
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== Fearful Banner/Fearful Barrier ==<br />
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Hi JohnHoward -<br />
<br />
I'm holding your submission to change the title of {{T|98378|Fearful Banner}} to "Fearful Barrier". Could you provide us with your source for making this change? I do see that the linked Worldcat record as the title as "Fearful Barrier". However, both {{Tuck}} and Miller/Contento have it as "Fearful Banner". I also see various websites referring to either title. Do you perhaps have a copy of ''Worlds at War''? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:50, 17 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Hi Ron, Yes, I have a copy of the book. I could take some photos of the relevant pages if that would be useful. All best, John [[User:JohnHoward|JohnHoward]] ([[User talk:JohnHoward|talk]]) 10:21, 17 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Hi John - Thanks for the quick response. No need to provide photos. If you're working from a copy of the book, that's enough. I've approved your edit. Thanks again. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:30, 17 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Uploaded cover was too small so I uploaded a new one from some weird site called Look and Learn, afterwards noticing they slapped a big watermark across it, so replaced that with the cover on SFE. Also, https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/g-rayer-worlds-war-british-mens-1865949604; I have 2 suggestions, adding Company to the publisher and noting price is on the spine. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:40, 17 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::Thanks, Ron. And yes, adopting the two latest suggestions would be good. All best, John [[User:JohnHoward|JohnHoward]] ([[User talk:JohnHoward|talk]]) 12:18, 17 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=john+howard&type=Name; Which one, if any, are you? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:27, 17 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::The 'London, England, UK' one. [[User:JohnHoward|JohnHoward]] ([[User talk:JohnHoward|talk]]) 12:49, 17 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::Thanks; you may want to add a photo or anything else you see fit. Archive.org recently uploaded ex-library copies from Dublin, Ireland of the 2014 Swan River Press edition of The Silver Voices and the 2013 Swan River Press edition of Written by Daylight; I've added links in edits here to both and they should be approved sometime soon. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:23, 18 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Thank you - I must take some time to look at my page! [[User:JohnHoward|JohnHoward]] ([[User talk:JohnHoward|talk]]) 17:42, 18 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Challenge of the Stars ==<br />
<br />
I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5895336 this submission]. I don't doubt the correctness of the change. Changes to primary verified publications must be discussed. Post on the affected PV's talk pages at [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_Talk:Mavmaramis Mavmaramis] and [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_Talk:PeteYoung Pete Young]. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:52, 8 March 2024 (EST)<br />
<br />
Thank you, I've done that. [[User:JohnHoward|JohnHoward]] ([[User talk:JohnHoward|talk]]) 13:28, 11 March 2024 (EDT) <br />
<br />
== Alan Hunter ==<br />
<br />
Regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5897211 this submission], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5897212 this submission], and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5897213 this submission]: Thank you for finding this issue. However, as Hunter is the credit used in the magazine, we leave the entries in the magazine as Hunter, but change the parent record from Mel Hunter to Alan Hunter. As can be seen at {{A|Hunter}}, it is marked as being used by both {{A|Alan Hunter}} and {{A|Mel Hunter}}. These records were varianted to the wrong one. I have made the appropriate changes. Please let me know if the explanation was not clear. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:20, 9 March 2024 (EST)<br />
<br />
Thank you for letting me know. That's fine. [[User:JohnHoward|JohnHoward]] ([[User talk:JohnHoward|talk]]) 13:15, 11 March 2024 (EDT) <br />
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== The Dream Archipelago ==<br />
<br />
Regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5883544 this submission]: This seems a duplicate entry for {{P|287753|this pub}}. Is there something different with your version that you did not indicate in the submission? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:57, 10 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:Thank you for your comment. Yes, as I mentioned in my submission the edition I wish to add has more stories and is described "Revised and extended edition" on the cover. So it is not a duplicate edition. I can take a photo of the cover and ToC if that would be helpful. [[User:JohnHoward|JohnHoward]] ([[User talk:JohnHoward|talk]]) 13:15, 11 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::The publication date in your submission is the same date as the existing record. It is unlikely that they used the same ISBN to issue two editions in the same year. So most likely either 1) the current ISFDB record is wrong; or 2) you have a later edition. Does your publication's copyright page state a 2009 printing or does it indicate a later printing? If it only mentions 2009, then the ISFDB record would be incorrect and you have the same publication. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:07, 13 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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Thank you for this The copyright page states 'This edition first published 2009' but indicates a second printing. The ISBN is the same as that on the edition already of ISFDB, so perhaps it was reused for the expanded edition? [[User:JohnHoward|JohnHoward]] ([[User talk:JohnHoward|talk]]) 13:04, 14 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:Yes, that is possible. We do create separate records for different printings. However, if the later printing does not specify a date, we leave it undated. We also record the printing number in the pub botes. I have accepted the submission, but updated the date and pub notes as per above. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:25, 15 March 2024 (EDT)</div>
JLaTondre
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:JohnHoward&diff=681734
User talk:JohnHoward
2024-03-13T21:07:52Z
<p>JLaTondre: /* The Dream Archipelago */</p>
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Please be careful in editing publications that have been [[Help:How to verify data|primary verified]] by other editors. See [[Help:How to verify data#Making changes to verified pubs]]. But if you have a copy of an unverified publication, verifying it can be quite helpful. See [[Help:How to verify data]] for detailed information.<br />
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I hope you enjoy editing here! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>); this will insert your name and the date. If you need help, check out the [[ISFDB:Community Portal|community portal]], or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:54, 16 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Fearful Banner/Fearful Barrier ==<br />
<br />
Hi JohnHoward -<br />
<br />
I'm holding your submission to change the title of {{T|98378|Fearful Banner}} to "Fearful Barrier". Could you provide us with your source for making this change? I do see that the linked Worldcat record as the title as "Fearful Barrier". However, both {{Tuck}} and Miller/Contento have it as "Fearful Banner". I also see various websites referring to either title. Do you perhaps have a copy of ''Worlds at War''? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:50, 17 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
<br />
Hi Ron, Yes, I have a copy of the book. I could take some photos of the relevant pages if that would be useful. All best, John [[User:JohnHoward|JohnHoward]] ([[User talk:JohnHoward|talk]]) 10:21, 17 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:Hi John - Thanks for the quick response. No need to provide photos. If you're working from a copy of the book, that's enough. I've approved your edit. Thanks again. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:30, 17 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Uploaded cover was too small so I uploaded a new one from some weird site called Look and Learn, afterwards noticing they slapped a big watermark across it, so replaced that with the cover on SFE. Also, https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/g-rayer-worlds-war-british-mens-1865949604; I have 2 suggestions, adding Company to the publisher and noting price is on the spine. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:40, 17 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:::Thanks, Ron. And yes, adopting the two latest suggestions would be good. All best, John [[User:JohnHoward|JohnHoward]] ([[User talk:JohnHoward|talk]]) 12:18, 17 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=john+howard&type=Name; Which one, if any, are you? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:27, 17 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:::::The 'London, England, UK' one. [[User:JohnHoward|JohnHoward]] ([[User talk:JohnHoward|talk]]) 12:49, 17 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::Thanks; you may want to add a photo or anything else you see fit. Archive.org recently uploaded ex-library copies from Dublin, Ireland of the 2014 Swan River Press edition of The Silver Voices and the 2013 Swan River Press edition of Written by Daylight; I've added links in edits here to both and they should be approved sometime soon. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:23, 18 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
<br />
Thank you - I must take some time to look at my page! [[User:JohnHoward|JohnHoward]] ([[User talk:JohnHoward|talk]]) 17:42, 18 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Challenge of the Stars ==<br />
<br />
I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5895336 this submission]. I don't doubt the correctness of the change. Changes to primary verified publications must be discussed. Post on the affected PV's talk pages at [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_Talk:Mavmaramis Mavmaramis] and [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_Talk:PeteYoung Pete Young]. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:52, 8 March 2024 (EST)<br />
<br />
Thank you, I've done that. [[User:JohnHoward|JohnHoward]] ([[User talk:JohnHoward|talk]]) 13:28, 11 March 2024 (EDT) <br />
<br />
== Alan Hunter ==<br />
<br />
Regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5897211 this submission], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5897212 this submission], and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5897213 this submission]: Thank you for finding this issue. However, as Hunter is the credit used in the magazine, we leave the entries in the magazine as Hunter, but change the parent record from Mel Hunter to Alan Hunter. As can be seen at {{A|Hunter}}, it is marked as being used by both {{A|Alan Hunter}} and {{A|Mel Hunter}}. These records were varianted to the wrong one. I have made the appropriate changes. Please let me know if the explanation was not clear. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:20, 9 March 2024 (EST)<br />
<br />
Thank you for letting me know. That's fine. [[User:JohnHoward|JohnHoward]] ([[User talk:JohnHoward|talk]]) 13:15, 11 March 2024 (EDT) <br />
<br />
== The Dream Archipelago ==<br />
<br />
Regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5883544 this submission]: This seems a duplicate entry for {{P|287753|this pub}}. Is there something different with your version that you did not indicate in the submission? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:57, 10 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:Thank you for your comment. Yes, as I mentioned in my submission the edition I wish to add has more stories and is described "Revised and extended edition" on the cover. So it is not a duplicate edition. I can take a photo of the cover and ToC if that would be helpful. [[User:JohnHoward|JohnHoward]] ([[User talk:JohnHoward|talk]]) 13:15, 11 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::The publication date in your submission is the same date as the existing record. It is unlikely that they used the same ISBN to issue two editions in the same year. So most likely either 1) the current ISFDB record is wrong; or 2) you have a later edition. Does your publication's copyright page state a 2009 printing or does it indicate a later printing? If it only mentions 2009, then the ISFDB record would be incorrect and you have the same publication. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:07, 13 March 2024 (EDT)</div>
JLaTondre
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:MsLundy&diff=681563
User talk:MsLundy
2024-03-10T13:29:13Z
<p>JLaTondre: /* Translations */ new section</p>
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<div>{{welcome}} [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:18, 9 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Translations ==<br />
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Unfortunately, I have had to reject [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5895821 this submission], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5895834 this submission], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5896844 this submission], and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5898482 this submission]. The ISFDB is a publication based database. The way to enter a new translation is to use the "Add New Novel" (or "Add New..." based on type of publication) option in the left hand menu. You would enter all the information about the publication in the publication form (specifying the source of the information in the publication notes field). Once accepted, this will create a new title record that then needs to be varianted to the original record. <br />
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ISFDB has some conventions that need learning so please check out the help links in the welcome message above. And let us know if you have any questions ([[ISFDB:Help desk]] is a good resource for asking). --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:29, 10 March 2024 (EDT)</div>
JLaTondre
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:TheFinalFrontier1701&diff=681562
User talk:TheFinalFrontier1701
2024-03-10T13:20:03Z
<p>JLaTondre: /* Appointment With Death */ new section</p>
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<div>{{welcome}}[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 00:23, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Appointment With Death ==<br />
<br />
Regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5849059 this submission]: Are there any speculative fiction elements to this novel? The plot summaries I have read indicate there is not. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:20, 10 March 2024 (EDT)</div>
JLaTondre
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:JohnHoward&diff=681561
User talk:JohnHoward
2024-03-10T12:57:32Z
<p>JLaTondre: /* The Dream Archipelago */ new section</p>
<hr />
<div><br />
==Welcome!==<br />
<br />
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*[[Help:Getting Started]]<br />
*[[Help:Contents/Purpose|What the ISFDB Wiki is for]]<br />
*[[ISFDB:FAQ|FAQ]]<br />
*[[Help:Editing|Wiki editing help]] - Tips on how to use the wiki-specific features when editing wiki pages.<br />
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*[[Help:How to upload images to the ISFDB wiki]] <br />
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'''Note''': Image uploading isn't entirely automated. You're uploading the files to the wiki which will then have to be linked to the database by editing the publication record.<br />
<br />
Please be careful in editing publications that have been [[Help:How to verify data|primary verified]] by other editors. See [[Help:How to verify data#Making changes to verified pubs]]. But if you have a copy of an unverified publication, verifying it can be quite helpful. See [[Help:How to verify data]] for detailed information.<br />
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I hope you enjoy editing here! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>); this will insert your name and the date. If you need help, check out the [[ISFDB:Community Portal|community portal]], or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:54, 16 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Fearful Banner/Fearful Barrier ==<br />
<br />
Hi JohnHoward -<br />
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I'm holding your submission to change the title of {{T|98378|Fearful Banner}} to "Fearful Barrier". Could you provide us with your source for making this change? I do see that the linked Worldcat record as the title as "Fearful Barrier". However, both {{Tuck}} and Miller/Contento have it as "Fearful Banner". I also see various websites referring to either title. Do you perhaps have a copy of ''Worlds at War''? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:50, 17 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Hi Ron, Yes, I have a copy of the book. I could take some photos of the relevant pages if that would be useful. All best, John [[User:JohnHoward|JohnHoward]] ([[User talk:JohnHoward|talk]]) 10:21, 17 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Hi John - Thanks for the quick response. No need to provide photos. If you're working from a copy of the book, that's enough. I've approved your edit. Thanks again. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:30, 17 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Uploaded cover was too small so I uploaded a new one from some weird site called Look and Learn, afterwards noticing they slapped a big watermark across it, so replaced that with the cover on SFE. Also, https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/g-rayer-worlds-war-british-mens-1865949604; I have 2 suggestions, adding Company to the publisher and noting price is on the spine. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:40, 17 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::Thanks, Ron. And yes, adopting the two latest suggestions would be good. All best, John [[User:JohnHoward|JohnHoward]] ([[User talk:JohnHoward|talk]]) 12:18, 17 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=john+howard&type=Name; Which one, if any, are you? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:27, 17 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::The 'London, England, UK' one. [[User:JohnHoward|JohnHoward]] ([[User talk:JohnHoward|talk]]) 12:49, 17 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::Thanks; you may want to add a photo or anything else you see fit. Archive.org recently uploaded ex-library copies from Dublin, Ireland of the 2014 Swan River Press edition of The Silver Voices and the 2013 Swan River Press edition of Written by Daylight; I've added links in edits here to both and they should be approved sometime soon. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:23, 18 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Thank you - I must take some time to look at my page! [[User:JohnHoward|JohnHoward]] ([[User talk:JohnHoward|talk]]) 17:42, 18 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Challenge of the Stars ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5895336 this submission]. I don't doubt the correctness of the change. Changes to primary verified publications must be discussed. Post on the affected PV's talk pages at [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_Talk:Mavmaramis Mavmaramis] and [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_Talk:PeteYoung Pete Young]. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:52, 8 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Alan Hunter ==<br />
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Regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5897211 this submission], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5897212 this submission], and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5897213 this submission]: Thank you for finding this issue. However, as Hunter is the credit used in the magazine, we leave the entries in the magazine as Hunter, but change the parent record from Mel Hunter to Alan Hunter. As can be seen at {{A|Hunter}}, it is marked as being used by both {{A|Alan Hunter}} and {{A|Mel Hunter}}. These records were varianted to the wrong one. I have made the appropriate changes. Please let me know if the explanation was not clear. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:20, 9 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Dream Archipelago ==<br />
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Regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5883544 this submission]: This seems a duplicate entry for {{P|287753|this pub}}. Is there something different with your version that you did not indicate in the submission? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:57, 10 March 2024 (EDT)</div>
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Mavmaramis&diff=681544
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== Recent Cyteen changes ==<br />
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Hi. You just made changes to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8537 Cyteen] with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5813497 this submission]. While I don't disagree with the changes, you really should have contacted both [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:GlennMcG GlennMcG] and me who are active PVs for that publication first. We both respond quickly. You also should have changed the page count to [7]+680 with the first map on [6] and the second map on [7]. Regards, [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:50, 19 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Would you object if I make the following changes to the hardcover edition of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8537 Cyteen]? Change the page count to [7]+680 with the first map on [6] and the second map on [7]. (Also sent to other PV) Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:04, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Decidedly yes object to doing that - does not at all match my physical copy. First numbered page is 1 (Verbal Text from: THE HUMANE REVOLUTION....).The maps are on the preceeding UNNUMBERED pages before this and there are decidedly not seven unnumbered pages prior to page 1 either. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 15:43, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Looking at the Help text for the Pages field, it says "Sometimes a publication will have unnumbered pages before page 1. If there is any material in these pages which needs to be entered as part of the contents of the book, you may record this by entering the count in squared brackets. For example, [6]+320 would be a publication with six unnumbered pages and then 320 numbered pages. There is no need to record these unnumbered pages if they contain no content that needs to be recorded.". We both agree that there are unnumbered pages before page 1 and there are two maps on those unnumbered pages. My understanding is that you count the unnumbered pages starting with the first page with printing on it from the front of the book and count until you reach the last unnumbered page with printing on it. Starting with the page that has only "Cyteen" printed on it and stopping on the last map page, there are a total of 7 unnumbered pages. Per the Help, that number is entered in brackets, hence [7], making the correct page count value [7]+680. The two maps are on unnumbered pages 6 and 7, so they are entered as pages [6] and [7] respectively in the page number field of their Regular title entries. Does this make sense to you? Regards, [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:00, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::::You are overcomplicating what is an already straightforward entry. Normally one does not count things like title page, copyright page etc as part of the page numbering. Do whay you will I have nothing furthwer to say. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 11:54, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::Based on your response, I thought it would be prudent to check on this with a moderator. Based on [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Anniemod#Did_I_explain_this_correctly_or_am_I_wrong.3F this discussion], I determined that my counting procedure was correct. Since the other PV agrees with my revised changes, I have updated the record accordingly. Regards. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:32, 16 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Fontana's A Cure For Cancer ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?220125; I added Archive.org link in a PENDING edit and fixed publisher to Fontana / Collins since that's what it says in the book on the title page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:49, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Childhood's End ==<br />
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Can you please take a look at {{P|356516|Childhood's End}}? The catalog number is given as G643, but the cover shows G463. Is this a database typo or does the book have the transposed digits inside? Can you either correct the record or add a publication note regarding the disconnect? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:27, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:It was a databse typo. Check physical copy and it is G463 which is only printed on the cover and nowhere else. I've submitted a correction. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 08:32, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Approved. Thanks! --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:06, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Golden Apples of the Sun 1978 UK HC ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?520003; I added Archive.org link and entered page numbers for the stories in a PENDING edit but there are 2 stories not in the book; "Great Fire" and "Big Black and White Game". I'm going to remove them and also import Mugnaini's interior art. Re: publisher I think it should probably be changed to this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?17853, as similarly dated and priced Bradbury books are there, but that's up to you. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:48, 8 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Can confirm the two stories you mentioned are not in this publication. As far as publisher goes maybe wise to include Granada as the publiher (so something like Hart-Davis, MacGibbon / Granada) as Granada Publishing is prominent on title page and copyright page. Otherwise someone might assume that Granada had no part in it's publication. You could always raise this on the Moderator Noticeboard on the Commiunity Portal given that merely becasue other Bradbury publications of this date were merely entered as Hart-Davis, MacGibbon does not indicate Granada were not involved. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 13:20, 8 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Suaine and the Crow-God ==<br />
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I added the Internet Archive scan to {{P|278254|Suaine and the Crow-God}}. In doing so, I noticed the page count was wrong (the prior count was less than the last listed contents) and two typos. I made the corrections based on the scan. If by some odd chance, the scan differs from your copy, please let me know and I will revert and clone a new record. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:25, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Page count should be 255, checked with my physical copy. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 11:58, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for confirming. My prior edit seems to have gone missing. I must not have hit submit. I re-did it so you will now also see the typo corrections. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:32, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::I noticed edit was missing so I did one; it was rejected because J's edit fixed the same stuff. However, there may be a few other issues. I think "day on end" should be days; also, why are some art titles capitalized and others not? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:13, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Lost Continent of Mu ==<br />
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Would you please check the page 70 artwork title of {{P|972226|The Lost Continent of Mu}}? Is the missing space in "TheDistribution..." a database typo? If not, please add a note stating it is original to the pub. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:28, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:It's a typo. Should be "The Distribution" (with a space). --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 11:50, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Fixed. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:35, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Tegne ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34650; I added Archive.org link and other stuff to the PB in a PENDING edit; first word in the title has an accent over the e so I fixed that. If your PV TP does, too, then you can fix that and I'll add it to cover art (parent and variant) and title record. EDIT: I just noticed something; since it's a series then Tegne shouldn't be in the PB or TP titles because that's the rules here, dropping series names from titles. The series title does have the accent over the e so if you agree to remove Tegne then I'll re-do my edit doing the same and then I'll just have to add the accent to the cover art(s). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:05, 12 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34650 Warlord of Zendow] does indeed have an accent over the e of Tegne. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 23:58, 12 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Half A Life Title ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?269198; While just making an edit adding archived link I noted subtitle "and Other Stories" is also in this edition so can you add that to the title if it's also in your copy? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:38, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Done. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 11:54, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Space Traveller ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?70359; While adding Archive.org link I also noted NZ $18.95 price, no number on last page, and misspelled word on title page (Reminiscenes); not sure if that error requires a variant but that's up to you. I also added link for Star Diaries (Mandarin edition); nothing else was required for that. Both are PENDING and should be approved sometime in the New Year. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:12, 29 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:That's fine. All details you mentioned confirmed from my own copy. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 01:50, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Digital Fantasy Painting ==<br />
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Happy New Year! Would you mind if I added some images to this record? https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?514360 —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 15:06, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
: Not at all and a happy new year to you too. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 16:27, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Harry Harrison / West of Eden ==<br />
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I am editing an PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?180877 West of Eden] and will add month: 1985-07-00 and state source: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?567901 Galactic Central Bibliography] [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:23, 3 January 2024 (EST)<br />
: Carry on but since those are minor edits you don't really need to inform me. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 14:32, 3 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Martian Chronicles ==<br />
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hiya mate Ive got this book and i'm asking the pvs about a couple of issues. the first one is just that 2 of the contents are out of order ie "The old ones" and "the martian" theyre on the same page but old ones should come first. The second one relates to the fact that the stories are all prefixed by a date in the contents and before the story itself. In this book there is no colon or hyphen and all the contents entries leave out the date except the last one which uses the variant with the date. for consistency i'd like to swap it out for the variant without the date. cheers from Gaz<br />
: Proceed. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 10:38, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Robert (A.) Heinlein / The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?357544 The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress]. In my copy, the author's name is stated as "Robert Heinlein" on the title page even though it's "Robert A. Heinlein" on cover and spine. So I propose to change the author's name and add a corresponding pub note. Is your copy the same? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:34, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Mine is the same. Proceed. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 00:21, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Sphere Cities of Wonder ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5872641; If your copy has readable prices on the back you can erase my note after approval and enter them all; also, pre-decimal price, if there is one, should be added to price field because it's a 1970 book before the switch to decimal prices. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:10, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Right prices on back cover are thus: Australia 1.00c; New Zealand 85c; UK 6/- (30p); South Africa 75c; East Africa 7/25. Hope that helps. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 15:02, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::OK, thanks, I cancelled old edit and made new edit; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5872984. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:57, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Star Maker ==<br />
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hello there i'm asking the active pvs to have a quick shufti at this one re the pages field. In my copy the last numbered page is 264 which is the lsat page of the note on magnitude essay. After that theres the 3 pages of time scale diagrams followed by a load of magnum adverts so i'm thinking it should be 264+[3]? That time scale diagram sequence has been entered as contents for the 2003 sf masterworks edition so it could be imported here as well if you think its worth it. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 19:57, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Mine is the same. You could add a note about the additional pages after the diagrams having adverts. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 23:55, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Year's Best SF 1972 ==<br />
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hiya mate, just to let you know that i'm going to import the 4 cartoons on p87-90 that are already entered in the other editions of this title. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 17:47, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Ive just noticed the map on p45 in the first sphere edition so that's gone for import as well, Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 18:00, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Ultima Thule ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?367484; Fixed story's # to 69. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:40, 26 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Robert A. Heinlein ==<br />
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Please see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5790838 this edit] I am holding that impacts your verified pub. The Internet Archive link being added shows a pub with "Paul Harris Publishing" on the title page, but "Taplinger Publishing Company" on the dust jacket. Does that match your version? There are other Internet Archive versions ([https://archive.org/details/robertaheinlein0000unse_a5x2], [https://archive.org/details/robertaheinlein0000unse]) which have the same cover, but have Taplinger also on the title page. What does your jacket say? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:07, 2 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:My copy is entirely Paul Harris Publishing. Logo on dustwrapper spine and Paul Harris Publishing on title page. So not a Taplinger edition. Hope that helps. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 16:17, 2 March 2024 (EST)<br />
::Edit has been rejected. I'm not sure if there was some weird edition that had a Paul Harris tile page with a Taplinger dust jacket or if someone just inadvertently swapped covers on the two editions. Thanks for checking. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:47, 7 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:::My guess would be that the submitter has an edition that had a Taplinger dustwrapper put onto a Paul Harris edition. I see a lot of books sold via ABE without dustwrappers and then there are lists for dustwrappers only. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 15:52, 7 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Gilgamesh the King ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5889226 this submission] which impacts your verified pub. Does your edition have the separate afterword? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:22, 9 March 2024 (EST)<br />
: Yes indeed it does. Starts on p.298. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 15:01, 9 March 2024 (EST)<br />
::I approved the edit. You may wish to add the page number for the novel start. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:39, 9 March 2024 (EST)</div>
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== Fearful Banner/Fearful Barrier ==<br />
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Hi JohnHoward -<br />
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I'm holding your submission to change the title of {{T|98378|Fearful Banner}} to "Fearful Barrier". Could you provide us with your source for making this change? I do see that the linked Worldcat record as the title as "Fearful Barrier". However, both {{Tuck}} and Miller/Contento have it as "Fearful Banner". I also see various websites referring to either title. Do you perhaps have a copy of ''Worlds at War''? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:50, 17 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Hi Ron, Yes, I have a copy of the book. I could take some photos of the relevant pages if that would be useful. All best, John [[User:JohnHoward|JohnHoward]] ([[User talk:JohnHoward|talk]]) 10:21, 17 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Hi John - Thanks for the quick response. No need to provide photos. If you're working from a copy of the book, that's enough. I've approved your edit. Thanks again. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:30, 17 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Uploaded cover was too small so I uploaded a new one from some weird site called Look and Learn, afterwards noticing they slapped a big watermark across it, so replaced that with the cover on SFE. Also, https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/g-rayer-worlds-war-british-mens-1865949604; I have 2 suggestions, adding Company to the publisher and noting price is on the spine. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:40, 17 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::Thanks, Ron. And yes, adopting the two latest suggestions would be good. All best, John [[User:JohnHoward|JohnHoward]] ([[User talk:JohnHoward|talk]]) 12:18, 17 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=john+howard&type=Name; Which one, if any, are you? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:27, 17 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::The 'London, England, UK' one. [[User:JohnHoward|JohnHoward]] ([[User talk:JohnHoward|talk]]) 12:49, 17 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::Thanks; you may want to add a photo or anything else you see fit. Archive.org recently uploaded ex-library copies from Dublin, Ireland of the 2014 Swan River Press edition of The Silver Voices and the 2013 Swan River Press edition of Written by Daylight; I've added links in edits here to both and they should be approved sometime soon. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:23, 18 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Thank you - I must take some time to look at my page! [[User:JohnHoward|JohnHoward]] ([[User talk:JohnHoward|talk]]) 17:42, 18 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Challenge of the Stars ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5895336 this submission]. I don't doubt the correctness of the change. Changes to primary verified publications must be discussed. Post on the affected PV's talk pages at [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_Talk:Mavmaramis Mavmaramis] and [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_Talk:PeteYoung Pete Young]. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:52, 8 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Alan Hunter ==<br />
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Regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5897211 this submission], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5897212 this submission], and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5897213 this submission]: Thank you for finding this issue. However, as Hunter is the credit used in the magazine, we leave the entries in the magazine as Hunter, but change the parent record from Mel Hunter to Alan Hunter. As can be seen at {{A|Hunter}}, it is marked as being used by both {{A|Alan Hunter}} and {{A|Mel Hunter}}. These records were varianted to the wrong one. I have made the appropriate changes. Please let me know if the explanation was not clear. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:20, 9 March 2024 (EST)</div>
JLaTondre
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Russellklyford&diff=681511
User talk:Russellklyford
2024-03-09T17:18:44Z
<p>JLaTondre: /* Emergent Mars */ new section</p>
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== Emergent Mars ==<br />
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I accepted your addition of {{P|998819|Emergent Mars}}, but had to make some changes:<br />
*The ISFDB has specific title case rules. I changed the case to "Emergent Mars".<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Russellklyford&diff=681510
User talk:Russellklyford
2024-03-09T17:16:37Z
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Scifilifeforce&diff=681502
User talk:Scifilifeforce
2024-03-09T16:25:17Z
<p>JLaTondre: /* Scott Fivelson */ new section</p>
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== Scott Fivelson ==<br />
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What is the source for your proposed birth date addition to {{A|Scott Fivelson}}? The ISFDB only uses publicly available biographic data. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:25, 9 March 2024 (EST)</div>
JLaTondre
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Scifilifeforce&diff=681501
User talk:Scifilifeforce
2024-03-09T16:23:35Z
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:JennBenn&diff=681500
User talk:JennBenn
2024-03-09T16:22:37Z
<p>JLaTondre: /* Ghost Roast */ new section</p>
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== Ghost Roast ==<br />
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Unfortunately, I had to reject [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5894079 this submission]. By policy, the [[ISFDB:Policy#Contents.2FProject_Scope_Policy|ISFDB Scope]] excludes graphic novels. We only make an exception for those by well known speculative fiction authors. We appreciate your attempted submission & hope you will continue to contribute. ISFDB has some conventions that need learning so please check out the help links in the welcome message above. And let us know if you have any questions ([[ISFDB:Help desk]] is a good resource for asking). --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:22, 9 March 2024 (EST)</div>
JLaTondre
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:JennBenn&diff=681499
User talk:JennBenn
2024-03-09T16:20:22Z
<p>JLaTondre: welcome</p>
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JLaTondre
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:TracyCP&diff=681498
User talk:TracyCP
2024-03-09T16:17:40Z
<p>JLaTondre: /* Long Live The Emperor */ new section</p>
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== Long Live The Emperor ==<br />
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Unfortunately, I had to reject [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5892674 this submission]. There were quite a few errors in it and it was easier to redo from scratch. I did add the pub and it can be found {{T|3290864|here}}. The issues with your submission were:<br />
*The ISFDB creates separate records for each publication, format, etc. The ISBN field should have a single value.<br />
*The ISFDB differentiates publisher series (publisher level series like {{PubSeries|26|Ballantine Adult Fantasy}}) from title series (universe or groupings of books independent of publisher like {{Series|11825|Dune Universe}}). Imperial Hammer is a title series and should only entered on the title record, not in the PubSeries field.<br />
*The ISFDB can only use images from sites that have explicitly given us permission to do so. See [[ISFDB:Image linking permissions]] for a list of such sites.<br />
*Pages numbers should not be entered for ebooks. <br />
*The Cover Art field is for artists only. The ISFDB does not credit cover designers in that field. Cover designers can be mentioned in the pub notes.<br />
*US prices should be entered as $x.xx.<br />
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JLaTondre
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:TracyCP&diff=681497
User talk:TracyCP
2024-03-09T15:55:38Z
<p>JLaTondre: welcome</p>
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JLaTondre
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Mavmaramis&diff=681494
User talk:Mavmaramis
2024-03-09T15:22:50Z
<p>JLaTondre: /* Gilgamesh the King */</p>
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== Recent Cyteen changes ==<br />
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Hi. You just made changes to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8537 Cyteen] with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5813497 this submission]. While I don't disagree with the changes, you really should have contacted both [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:GlennMcG GlennMcG] and me who are active PVs for that publication first. We both respond quickly. You also should have changed the page count to [7]+680 with the first map on [6] and the second map on [7]. Regards, [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:50, 19 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Would you object if I make the following changes to the hardcover edition of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8537 Cyteen]? Change the page count to [7]+680 with the first map on [6] and the second map on [7]. (Also sent to other PV) Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:04, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Decidedly yes object to doing that - does not at all match my physical copy. First numbered page is 1 (Verbal Text from: THE HUMANE REVOLUTION....).The maps are on the preceeding UNNUMBERED pages before this and there are decidedly not seven unnumbered pages prior to page 1 either. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 15:43, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Looking at the Help text for the Pages field, it says "Sometimes a publication will have unnumbered pages before page 1. If there is any material in these pages which needs to be entered as part of the contents of the book, you may record this by entering the count in squared brackets. For example, [6]+320 would be a publication with six unnumbered pages and then 320 numbered pages. There is no need to record these unnumbered pages if they contain no content that needs to be recorded.". We both agree that there are unnumbered pages before page 1 and there are two maps on those unnumbered pages. My understanding is that you count the unnumbered pages starting with the first page with printing on it from the front of the book and count until you reach the last unnumbered page with printing on it. Starting with the page that has only "Cyteen" printed on it and stopping on the last map page, there are a total of 7 unnumbered pages. Per the Help, that number is entered in brackets, hence [7], making the correct page count value [7]+680. The two maps are on unnumbered pages 6 and 7, so they are entered as pages [6] and [7] respectively in the page number field of their Regular title entries. Does this make sense to you? Regards, [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:00, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::::You are overcomplicating what is an already straightforward entry. Normally one does not count things like title page, copyright page etc as part of the page numbering. Do whay you will I have nothing furthwer to say. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 11:54, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::Based on your response, I thought it would be prudent to check on this with a moderator. Based on [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Anniemod#Did_I_explain_this_correctly_or_am_I_wrong.3F this discussion], I determined that my counting procedure was correct. Since the other PV agrees with my revised changes, I have updated the record accordingly. Regards. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:32, 16 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Fontana's A Cure For Cancer ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?220125; I added Archive.org link in a PENDING edit and fixed publisher to Fontana / Collins since that's what it says in the book on the title page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:49, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Childhood's End ==<br />
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Can you please take a look at {{P|356516|Childhood's End}}? The catalog number is given as G643, but the cover shows G463. Is this a database typo or does the book have the transposed digits inside? Can you either correct the record or add a publication note regarding the disconnect? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:27, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:It was a databse typo. Check physical copy and it is G463 which is only printed on the cover and nowhere else. I've submitted a correction. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 08:32, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Approved. Thanks! --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:06, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Golden Apples of the Sun 1978 UK HC ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?520003; I added Archive.org link and entered page numbers for the stories in a PENDING edit but there are 2 stories not in the book; "Great Fire" and "Big Black and White Game". I'm going to remove them and also import Mugnaini's interior art. Re: publisher I think it should probably be changed to this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?17853, as similarly dated and priced Bradbury books are there, but that's up to you. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:48, 8 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Can confirm the two stories you mentioned are not in this publication. As far as publisher goes maybe wise to include Granada as the publiher (so something like Hart-Davis, MacGibbon / Granada) as Granada Publishing is prominent on title page and copyright page. Otherwise someone might assume that Granada had no part in it's publication. You could always raise this on the Moderator Noticeboard on the Commiunity Portal given that merely becasue other Bradbury publications of this date were merely entered as Hart-Davis, MacGibbon does not indicate Granada were not involved. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 13:20, 8 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Suaine and the Crow-God ==<br />
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I added the Internet Archive scan to {{P|278254|Suaine and the Crow-God}}. In doing so, I noticed the page count was wrong (the prior count was less than the last listed contents) and two typos. I made the corrections based on the scan. If by some odd chance, the scan differs from your copy, please let me know and I will revert and clone a new record. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:25, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Page count should be 255, checked with my physical copy. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 11:58, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for confirming. My prior edit seems to have gone missing. I must not have hit submit. I re-did it so you will now also see the typo corrections. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:32, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::I noticed edit was missing so I did one; it was rejected because J's edit fixed the same stuff. However, there may be a few other issues. I think "day on end" should be days; also, why are some art titles capitalized and others not? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:13, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Lost Continent of Mu ==<br />
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Would you please check the page 70 artwork title of {{P|972226|The Lost Continent of Mu}}? Is the missing space in "TheDistribution..." a database typo? If not, please add a note stating it is original to the pub. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:28, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:It's a typo. Should be "The Distribution" (with a space). --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 11:50, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Fixed. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:35, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Tegne ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34650; I added Archive.org link and other stuff to the PB in a PENDING edit; first word in the title has an accent over the e so I fixed that. If your PV TP does, too, then you can fix that and I'll add it to cover art (parent and variant) and title record. EDIT: I just noticed something; since it's a series then Tegne shouldn't be in the PB or TP titles because that's the rules here, dropping series names from titles. The series title does have the accent over the e so if you agree to remove Tegne then I'll re-do my edit doing the same and then I'll just have to add the accent to the cover art(s). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:05, 12 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34650 Warlord of Zendow] does indeed have an accent over the e of Tegne. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 23:58, 12 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Half A Life Title ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?269198; While just making an edit adding archived link I noted subtitle "and Other Stories" is also in this edition so can you add that to the title if it's also in your copy? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:38, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Done. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 11:54, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Space Traveller ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?70359; While adding Archive.org link I also noted NZ $18.95 price, no number on last page, and misspelled word on title page (Reminiscenes); not sure if that error requires a variant but that's up to you. I also added link for Star Diaries (Mandarin edition); nothing else was required for that. Both are PENDING and should be approved sometime in the New Year. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:12, 29 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:That's fine. All details you mentioned confirmed from my own copy. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 01:50, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Digital Fantasy Painting ==<br />
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Happy New Year! Would you mind if I added some images to this record? https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?514360 —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 15:06, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
: Not at all and a happy new year to you too. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 16:27, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Harry Harrison / West of Eden ==<br />
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I am editing an PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?180877 West of Eden] and will add month: 1985-07-00 and state source: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?567901 Galactic Central Bibliography] [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:23, 3 January 2024 (EST)<br />
: Carry on but since those are minor edits you don't really need to inform me. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 14:32, 3 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Martian Chronicles ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?353769<br />
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hiya mate Ive got this book and i'm asking the pvs about a couple of issues. the first one is just that 2 of the contents are out of order ie "The old ones" and "the martian" theyre on the same page but old ones should come first. The second one relates to the fact that the stories are all prefixed by a date in the contents and before the story itself. In this book there is no colon or hyphen and all the contents entries leave out the date except the last one which uses the variant with the date. for consistency i'd like to swap it out for the variant without the date. cheers from Gaz<br />
: Proceed. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 10:38, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Robert (A.) Heinlein / The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?357544 The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress]. In my copy, the author's name is stated as "Robert Heinlein" on the title page even though it's "Robert A. Heinlein" on cover and spine. So I propose to change the author's name and add a corresponding pub note. Is your copy the same? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:34, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Mine is the same. Proceed. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 00:21, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Sphere Cities of Wonder ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5872641; If your copy has readable prices on the back you can erase my note after approval and enter them all; also, pre-decimal price, if there is one, should be added to price field because it's a 1970 book before the switch to decimal prices. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:10, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Right prices on back cover are thus: Australia 1.00c; New Zealand 85c; UK 6/- (30p); South Africa 75c; East Africa 7/25. Hope that helps. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 15:02, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::OK, thanks, I cancelled old edit and made new edit; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5872984. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:57, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Star Maker ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?269259<br />
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hello there i'm asking the active pvs to have a quick shufti at this one re the pages field. In my copy the last numbered page is 264 which is the lsat page of the note on magnitude essay. After that theres the 3 pages of time scale diagrams followed by a load of magnum adverts so i'm thinking it should be 264+[3]? That time scale diagram sequence has been entered as contents for the 2003 sf masterworks edition so it could be imported here as well if you think its worth it. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 19:57, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Mine is the same. You could add a note about the additional pages after the diagrams having adverts. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 23:55, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Year's Best SF 1972 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?286137<br />
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hiya mate, just to let you know that i'm going to import the 4 cartoons on p87-90 that are already entered in the other editions of this title. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 17:47, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Ive just noticed the map on p45 in the first sphere edition so that's gone for import as well, Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 18:00, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Ultima Thule ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?367484; Fixed story's # to 69. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:40, 26 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Robert A. Heinlein ==<br />
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Please see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5790838 this edit] I am holding that impacts your verified pub. The Internet Archive link being added shows a pub with "Paul Harris Publishing" on the title page, but "Taplinger Publishing Company" on the dust jacket. Does that match your version? There are other Internet Archive versions ([https://archive.org/details/robertaheinlein0000unse_a5x2], [https://archive.org/details/robertaheinlein0000unse]) which have the same cover, but have Taplinger also on the title page. What does your jacket say? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:07, 2 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:My copy is entirely Paul Harris Publishing. Logo on dustwrapper spine and Paul Harris Publishing on title page. So not a Taplinger edition. Hope that helps. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 16:17, 2 March 2024 (EST)<br />
::Edit has been rejected. I'm not sure if there was some weird edition that had a Paul Harris tile page with a Taplinger dust jacket or if someone just inadvertently swapped covers on the two editions. Thanks for checking. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:47, 7 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:::My guess would be that the submitter has an edition that had a Taplinger dustwrapper put onto a Paul Harris edition. I see a lot of books sold via ABE without dustwrappers and then there are lists for dustwrappers only. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 15:52, 7 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Gilgamesh the King ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5889226 this submission] which impacts your verified pub. Does your edition have the separate afterword? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:22, 9 March 2024 (EST)</div>
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== Recent Cyteen changes ==<br />
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Hi. You just made changes to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8537 Cyteen] with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5813497 this submission]. While I don't disagree with the changes, you really should have contacted both [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:GlennMcG GlennMcG] and me who are active PVs for that publication first. We both respond quickly. You also should have changed the page count to [7]+680 with the first map on [6] and the second map on [7]. Regards, [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:50, 19 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Would you object if I make the following changes to the hardcover edition of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8537 Cyteen]? Change the page count to [7]+680 with the first map on [6] and the second map on [7]. (Also sent to other PV) Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:04, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Decidedly yes object to doing that - does not at all match my physical copy. First numbered page is 1 (Verbal Text from: THE HUMANE REVOLUTION....).The maps are on the preceeding UNNUMBERED pages before this and there are decidedly not seven unnumbered pages prior to page 1 either. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 15:43, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Looking at the Help text for the Pages field, it says "Sometimes a publication will have unnumbered pages before page 1. If there is any material in these pages which needs to be entered as part of the contents of the book, you may record this by entering the count in squared brackets. For example, [6]+320 would be a publication with six unnumbered pages and then 320 numbered pages. There is no need to record these unnumbered pages if they contain no content that needs to be recorded.". We both agree that there are unnumbered pages before page 1 and there are two maps on those unnumbered pages. My understanding is that you count the unnumbered pages starting with the first page with printing on it from the front of the book and count until you reach the last unnumbered page with printing on it. Starting with the page that has only "Cyteen" printed on it and stopping on the last map page, there are a total of 7 unnumbered pages. Per the Help, that number is entered in brackets, hence [7], making the correct page count value [7]+680. The two maps are on unnumbered pages 6 and 7, so they are entered as pages [6] and [7] respectively in the page number field of their Regular title entries. Does this make sense to you? Regards, [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:00, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::::You are overcomplicating what is an already straightforward entry. Normally one does not count things like title page, copyright page etc as part of the page numbering. Do whay you will I have nothing furthwer to say. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 11:54, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::Based on your response, I thought it would be prudent to check on this with a moderator. Based on [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Anniemod#Did_I_explain_this_correctly_or_am_I_wrong.3F this discussion], I determined that my counting procedure was correct. Since the other PV agrees with my revised changes, I have updated the record accordingly. Regards. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:32, 16 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Fontana's A Cure For Cancer ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?220125; I added Archive.org link in a PENDING edit and fixed publisher to Fontana / Collins since that's what it says in the book on the title page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:49, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Childhood's End ==<br />
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Can you please take a look at {{P|356516|Childhood's End}}? The catalog number is given as G643, but the cover shows G463. Is this a database typo or does the book have the transposed digits inside? Can you either correct the record or add a publication note regarding the disconnect? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:27, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:It was a databse typo. Check physical copy and it is G463 which is only printed on the cover and nowhere else. I've submitted a correction. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 08:32, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Approved. Thanks! --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:06, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Golden Apples of the Sun 1978 UK HC ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?520003; I added Archive.org link and entered page numbers for the stories in a PENDING edit but there are 2 stories not in the book; "Great Fire" and "Big Black and White Game". I'm going to remove them and also import Mugnaini's interior art. Re: publisher I think it should probably be changed to this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?17853, as similarly dated and priced Bradbury books are there, but that's up to you. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:48, 8 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Can confirm the two stories you mentioned are not in this publication. As far as publisher goes maybe wise to include Granada as the publiher (so something like Hart-Davis, MacGibbon / Granada) as Granada Publishing is prominent on title page and copyright page. Otherwise someone might assume that Granada had no part in it's publication. You could always raise this on the Moderator Noticeboard on the Commiunity Portal given that merely becasue other Bradbury publications of this date were merely entered as Hart-Davis, MacGibbon does not indicate Granada were not involved. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 13:20, 8 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Suaine and the Crow-God ==<br />
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I added the Internet Archive scan to {{P|278254|Suaine and the Crow-God}}. In doing so, I noticed the page count was wrong (the prior count was less than the last listed contents) and two typos. I made the corrections based on the scan. If by some odd chance, the scan differs from your copy, please let me know and I will revert and clone a new record. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:25, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Page count should be 255, checked with my physical copy. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 11:58, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for confirming. My prior edit seems to have gone missing. I must not have hit submit. I re-did it so you will now also see the typo corrections. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:32, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::I noticed edit was missing so I did one; it was rejected because J's edit fixed the same stuff. However, there may be a few other issues. I think "day on end" should be days; also, why are some art titles capitalized and others not? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:13, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Lost Continent of Mu ==<br />
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Would you please check the page 70 artwork title of {{P|972226|The Lost Continent of Mu}}? Is the missing space in "TheDistribution..." a database typo? If not, please add a note stating it is original to the pub. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:28, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:It's a typo. Should be "The Distribution" (with a space). --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 11:50, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Fixed. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:35, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Tegne ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34650; I added Archive.org link and other stuff to the PB in a PENDING edit; first word in the title has an accent over the e so I fixed that. If your PV TP does, too, then you can fix that and I'll add it to cover art (parent and variant) and title record. EDIT: I just noticed something; since it's a series then Tegne shouldn't be in the PB or TP titles because that's the rules here, dropping series names from titles. The series title does have the accent over the e so if you agree to remove Tegne then I'll re-do my edit doing the same and then I'll just have to add the accent to the cover art(s). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:05, 12 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34650 Warlord of Zendow] does indeed have an accent over the e of Tegne. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 23:58, 12 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Half A Life Title ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?269198; While just making an edit adding archived link I noted subtitle "and Other Stories" is also in this edition so can you add that to the title if it's also in your copy? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:38, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Done. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 11:54, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Space Traveller ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?70359; While adding Archive.org link I also noted NZ $18.95 price, no number on last page, and misspelled word on title page (Reminiscenes); not sure if that error requires a variant but that's up to you. I also added link for Star Diaries (Mandarin edition); nothing else was required for that. Both are PENDING and should be approved sometime in the New Year. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:12, 29 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:That's fine. All details you mentioned confirmed from my own copy. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 01:50, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Digital Fantasy Painting ==<br />
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Happy New Year! Would you mind if I added some images to this record? https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?514360 —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 15:06, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
: Not at all and a happy new year to you too. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 16:27, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Harry Harrison / West of Eden ==<br />
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I am editing an PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?180877 West of Eden] and will add month: 1985-07-00 and state source: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?567901 Galactic Central Bibliography] [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:23, 3 January 2024 (EST)<br />
: Carry on but since those are minor edits you don't really need to inform me. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 14:32, 3 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Martian Chronicles ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?353769<br />
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hiya mate Ive got this book and i'm asking the pvs about a couple of issues. the first one is just that 2 of the contents are out of order ie "The old ones" and "the martian" theyre on the same page but old ones should come first. The second one relates to the fact that the stories are all prefixed by a date in the contents and before the story itself. In this book there is no colon or hyphen and all the contents entries leave out the date except the last one which uses the variant with the date. for consistency i'd like to swap it out for the variant without the date. cheers from Gaz<br />
: Proceed. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 10:38, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Robert (A.) Heinlein / The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?357544 The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress]. In my copy, the author's name is stated as "Robert Heinlein" on the title page even though it's "Robert A. Heinlein" on cover and spine. So I propose to change the author's name and add a corresponding pub note. Is your copy the same? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:34, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Mine is the same. Proceed. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 00:21, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Sphere Cities of Wonder ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5872641; If your copy has readable prices on the back you can erase my note after approval and enter them all; also, pre-decimal price, if there is one, should be added to price field because it's a 1970 book before the switch to decimal prices. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:10, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Right prices on back cover are thus: Australia 1.00c; New Zealand 85c; UK 6/- (30p); South Africa 75c; East Africa 7/25. Hope that helps. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 15:02, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::OK, thanks, I cancelled old edit and made new edit; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5872984. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:57, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Star Maker ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?269259<br />
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hello there i'm asking the active pvs to have a quick shufti at this one re the pages field. In my copy the last numbered page is 264 which is the lsat page of the note on magnitude essay. After that theres the 3 pages of time scale diagrams followed by a load of magnum adverts so i'm thinking it should be 264+[3]? That time scale diagram sequence has been entered as contents for the 2003 sf masterworks edition so it could be imported here as well if you think its worth it. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 19:57, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Mine is the same. You could add a note about the additional pages after the diagrams having adverts. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 23:55, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Year's Best SF 1972 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?286137<br />
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hiya mate, just to let you know that i'm going to import the 4 cartoons on p87-90 that are already entered in the other editions of this title. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 17:47, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Ive just noticed the map on p45 in the first sphere edition so that's gone for import as well, Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 18:00, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Ultima Thule ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?367484; Fixed story's # to 69. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:40, 26 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Robert A. Heinlein ==<br />
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Please see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5790838 this edit] I am holding that impacts your verified pub. The Internet Archive link being added shows a pub with "Paul Harris Publishing" on the title page, but "Taplinger Publishing Company" on the dust jacket. Does that match your version? There are other Internet Archive versions ([https://archive.org/details/robertaheinlein0000unse_a5x2], [https://archive.org/details/robertaheinlein0000unse]) which have the same cover, but have Taplinger also on the title page. What does your jacket say? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:07, 2 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:My copy is entirely Paul Harris Publishing. Logo on dustwrapper spine and Paul Harris Publishing on title page. So not a Taplinger edition. Hope that helps. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 16:17, 2 March 2024 (EST)<br />
::Edit has been rejected. I'm not sure if there was some weird edition that had a Paul Harris tile page with a Taplinger dust jacket or if someone just inadvertently swapped covers on the two editions. Thanks for checking. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:47, 7 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:::My guess would be that the submitter has an edition that had a Taplinger dustwrapper put onto a Paul Harris edition. I see a lot of books sold via ABE without dustwrappers and then there are lists for dustwrappers only. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 15:52, 7 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Gilgamesh the King ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5889226 this submission] which impacts your verified pub. Does your edition have the separate afterword? Thanks.</div>
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== Dealing With Variants & Translations ==<br />
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I'm had to reject several of your recent submissions:<br />
*[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/tv_update.cgi?3670462 The Three Goats Named Bruse; or, The Three Billy-Goats Gruff]: The language field indicates what language that title in that particular publication (or publications) appeared. It seems unlikely that it would have appeared with an English title, but Norwegian text in {{P|257834|The Mammoth Book of Fairy Tales}}. If you are trying to indicate it's a translation, we use variants for that. You would go to the {{T|2213415|title record}} and click the "Make This Title a Variant Title or Pseudonymous Work". In the new screen, you would enter the Norwegian title and set the language to Norwegian. <br />
*[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/tv_update.cgi?3670468 Le sifflet enchanté]: This record is for the original French version. We also have a record for an English version published as {{T|1611341|The Magic Whistle}}. If it has also been published as "The Enchanted Whistle", then you should enter a new publication that covers the book that had that version along with its contents and then once that is accepted, variant the new story to the existing original French version. Also, please note that the Transliterated Title field is for converting (transliterating) a title containing non-Latin characters to all Latin characters. It is not a translation field.<br />
*[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/vv_new.cgi?3670470 Belinda and Bellamant]: This is for publications with the title "Belinda and Bellamant". Since you say it appeared in "The Mammoth Book of Fairy Tales" as "The Bells of Carillon-Land", then you would edit that book and add that story. Once approved, you would variant the new story title to the existing "Belinda and Bellamant" record. <br />
*[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/tv_update.cgi?3670533 The Enchanted Watch]: Again, this is for the English version. If it also appeared in French, than a translation would need to be entered. I'm not sure if you are saying in your note that Lang's story was translated to French or Lang translated a French story.<br />
We do appreciate your submission. ISFDB has some conventions that need learning, but everything should be in the help links in the welcome message above. We hope you will continue to contribute. And please let us know if you have any questions ([[ISFDB:Help desk]] is a good resource for asking). --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:23, 1 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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I will try to add the info for the Three Billy Goats Gruff from the Wikipedia entry on the story. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 22:25, 6 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Le sifflet enchanté ==<br />
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For "Le sifflet enchanté", I see that that "The Enchanted Whistle" is already in ''The Mammoth Book of Fairy Tales''. I have varianted the two records so the English version now shows as a translation of the French version. If you have ''The Mammoth Book of Fairy Tales'' and it states who the translator is, we record that information in the notes of the translated version. So we'd appreciate it if you could edit the {{T|2304197|English title}} and add the translator. We have a template for that. Using <nowiki>{{TR|NAME}}</nowiki> in the notes fields, will result in "Translated by NAME". --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:34, 1 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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== The Enchanted Watch ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3674756 this submission]: Please don't submit blank edits like this. The wiki should be used for this type of thing. Either by responding to discussions like the above or by posting on [[ISFDB:Community Portal]].<br />
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With respect to the comment ("This story was translated by a colleague of Andrew Lang's, the story itself is credited to Deulin.") itself. What is your source for the translation credit? Information should always be sourced where possible. As for the credit portion, I'm not sure what you are getting at. It is already shown as credited to Deulin in ''The Mammoth Book of Fairy Tales''. If you are referring to {{P|463810|The Green Fairy Book}}, that is a bit of an odd one. The way it is laid out, the credits are to Lang with a source statement after each story. It also gets into when does a translation stop being a translation and become its own work. We don't have a perfect way of handling some of these edge cases. I'll try to improve the note. Do you know the original French title? I'd like to set it up as a translation. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:47, 6 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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I found the original French title & that it was collected by a Louis Leger & published in Contes Populaires Slaves in 1882. I think Andrew Lang made a mistake as I couldn't find it listed in any of Charles Deulin 3 collections of stories. I tried to add this info but had it completely rejected for reasons I found strange. This happened with other stories from the Blue Fairy Book I did research on. I think the person accidentally misread my entries.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 23:25, 9 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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== The White Cat ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3674811 this submission]: <br />
*What is the source for the date? Do you know where it was originally published?<br />
*We would not list "(adapted by)" as part of the author's name. That is not a credit, but editorial description. <br />
Based on the author change, I have rejected the edit. If you can answer the first part, I'll update the record appropriately. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:05, 6 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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== The Old, Old Fairy Tales ==<br />
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I'm holding you addition of ''The Old, Old Fairy Tales''. This record has multiple issues:<br />
*What is the source of the data? When entering a publication, the source of the information must be given as stated on the entry screen.<br />
*Author names should be names only and not contain editorial information.<br />
*Credits should be as they appear in the pub. Are the individual stories actually credited in on their respective title pages in this edition? That would be unusual for a book of this period. For example, for the [https://archive.org/details/oldoldfairytales00vale A. L. Burt] version (which has different contents), there are no credits on the individual stories. As such, they would all be credited to "Mrs. Valentine" and notes used to explain the origins. <br />
*Publisher should only be the publishers name and not include the city.<br />
*You submitted the publication twice. I have rejected the duplicate. <br />
If you could please answer the sourcing and credits information (by editing this page and responding to these posts), I will make the necessary fixes. If not, I will be forced to reject the submission. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:30, 6 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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:I read the book online and it did list the authors on the contents page. I noticed The Three Bears was the same version as the one in The Mammoth Book of Fairy Tales, so is most likely Sarah Baker's. I saw the A.L. Burt edition, but as Frederick Warne was Mrs. Valentine's primary publisher as noted on her Wikipedia page, that is most likely the original edition. Also being a British author it makes sense it was published in England first. I never heard of Mme. Leprince de Beaumont referred to as La Princesse, will add that as a name variant. Will do same for Mlle. de la Force(Mdlle must be an old contraction of Mademoiselle).[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 22:22, 6 January 2018 (EST)<br />
::I found the scans for the Frederick Warne versions. There are actually two, one with color plates and one without. I accepted you addition, fixed it, and then cloned the other version. You can find the results {{T|2307151|here}}. In addition to the corrections mentioned above, I made the following other changes:<br />
::*Changed the type from COLLECTION to ANTHOLOGY. We use collection for stories by a single author & anthology for stories by multiple authors.<br />
::*When a story is not credited, we use "uncredited". Anonymous is only used if it is specifically credited as Anonymous in the publication.<br />
::*Author names with initials should have a space between the initials.<br />
::I will also add the A. L. Burt edition.<br />
::Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:57, 7 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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== The Fortress Unvanquishable, Save for Sacnoth ==<br />
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I will update {{P|257834|The Mammoth Book of Fairy Tales}} to use the comma version of this story. However, it is easier to fix the existing entry instead of adding a new entry. As such, I have rejected your edit (including the duplicate). Since you state that you have the pub in the moderator notes, please [[Help:How_to_verify_data|verify it]]. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:36, 6 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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Sorry about the duplications, having computer issues. I just started adding stuff so I'm still getting used to the editing procedure. It was really weird that just after I started adding to the entry on The Mammoth Book of Fairy Tales, someone else suddenly got interested & finished adding the contents. The story of The Cotton-Wool Princess is listed incorrectly in the book as by Luigi Capuani instead of Capuana. I've been trying to get information on The Enchanted Watch by Charles Deulin, but trying to verify has been difficult. In the note to Andrew Lang's Green Fairy Book, he states the translations are mainly by his wife and others, but who did what isn't so clear. Dumas' The Enchanted Whistle was listed as such in a book called The Golden Fairy Book I saw online, but I believe no author or translators are listed-very frustrating! This has been a lot of fun though. I have a lot of collections of ghost stories, mysteries & fairy tales so will be doing more work. It's amazing all the stories listed here.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 20:12, 6 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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== The Mammoth Book of Fairy Tales' Charles Perrault stories ==<br />
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I'm not sure what you are trying to do with the additions and removals I have on hold. Your note states "Stories actually from Andrew Lang's Blue Fairy Book of 1889:, but the edits don't relate to that. With the Sleeping Beauty one, you're adding back exactly what you removed. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:18, 7 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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I guess I get too eager doing these story changes. Sorry for not waiting till the other edits were approved or rejected. I like to have everything right.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 21:50, 7 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Victorian Ghost Stories & Victorian Horror Stories ==<br />
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I have accepted your additions of Victorian Ghost Stories & Victorian Horror Stories, but have corrected them. As these are re-tellings, Mike Stocks is the author of these versions and that is who should be credited. They are not the same stories as the original versions & should not be varianted to the originals. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:03, 12 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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:I'm glad the original authors were recognized in the notes, but listing the adaptor or the translator as the sole author I don't think is altogether fair. Many of the titles in these 2 collections were changed so except for a few cases, you wouldn't find the story. & in the case of Samuel Savage, since I can't find anything about him, I don't even know if The Cat is the original title. It's the same with the Andrew Lang fairy books, be nice to know where the stories came from & that he didn't translate any but 2 & hated people thinking he came up with all these great folk tales. If you going list books solely by there adaptor/translator than Tolstoy/ Dumas/Jose Saramago/Tove Janssen/Brothers Grimm etc would have short credit lists like Asbjornsen/Moe who only have 1 that I added even though they're responsible for at least 100 stories & legends. You should be able to click whether it's author/editor/translator/adaptor. I like to research some of the stuff I read (which is how I discovered this great site) & hate having to spend time googling & going thru books online just to get some simple information. Thanks for all you work though. I don't mean to cause any trouble.<br />
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::We are a bibliographic site. We credit per the pub. The title and author should be entered per the pub (with some limited, specialized exceptions). In this case, the story credits are all by Stocks ("based on" is not an authorship credit). Other adaptations will actually credit the original author ("by ... and ..."). In that case, we would enter both names, but still not variant the stories ({{series|46854|examples}}). Varianting is for the '''same''' story under a different '''title'''; not a variance in the story itself. We don't have a mechanism to support variant '''works''' (other than translations). You can "link" back to the original by using HTML in the notes if you wish ({{T|21856|example}}). While it would be great to have the software support more relationships between works, that is a lot of work and we have a significant backlog of requested enhancements with a small development team (mostly one person). Until that happens, when you merge / variant titles, you are saying it is the exact same story in all of those pubs. That would be highly inaccurate for adaptations. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:31, 13 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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==Roger Caras' Treasury of Great Cat Stories ==<br />
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For your proposed addition of ''Roger Caras' Treasury of Great Cat Stories'', are all the stories listed speculative fiction? If some of them are not, they should not be included in the listing. When a publication is not strictly a genre publication, only the genre stories should be interested (though we will make an exception for non-genre stories by significant genre authors). We have some older pubs in the database that need cleaned up, but we're trying to get better at holding to the rules on this. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:46, 13 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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:Outside of the essays, the majority of the stories are genre(the best being the fantasy stories by Henry Slesar & Joan Aiken. Outside of the new authors, only 4 or 5 stories plus the essays are non-genre. I think a lot of people like cat stories though, even if they aren't fantasy. I got the book 27 years ago from my parents & even though I don't remember some of them(wish I could forget that Poe story tho!) it's part of my cat collection. Besides, the cover has the picture of a tuxedo cat & I've had 2(including my current boy who I swear can teleport himself!). <br />
:The story by Julian Ralph is almost like a fairy tale except there's no magic involved, so not sure if that would qualify as genre. The non-genre ones by authors in the database I'll note as such on their page. {{unsigned|Loviatar}}<br />
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::I have approved the addition, but have made the following changes:<br />
::*I removed any story that was not clearly genre (already in database, etc.). If there are any other genre stories, you can add them back & update the pub notes appropriately. In the future, if you only submit eligible stories to begin with, it will make it easier.<br />
::*LCCN numbers should go into the external identifiers section. Catalog number is for publisher catalog numbers (typically pre-ISBN). However, in this case, the LCCN is for a different edition than you have. As such I have removed it and cloned the publication to create a new entry for that version.<br />
::*Generic titles like "Introduction" or "Foreword" should be disambiguated with the publication's title (this is one of our variations from recording exactly as per the publication).<br />
::Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:08, 15 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Links ==<br />
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Hello, when you add links at title level, please be more precise. In the case of <i>Napoleon and the Spectre</i> you just added http://www.locusmag.com. This is strictly useless for a "normal" user that will have to browse the whole site to find the data (supposing a certain familiarity with it). I've deleted the link. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 05:42, 20 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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Thanks for the info. I wasn't too sure if i needed to add the whole web listing, I'll be sure to do that in future.<br />
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== Andrew Lang's Fairy Tale Anthologies ==<br />
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I have rejected your edits that impact the credits for these anthologies. As you have been notified before, we '''''credit as per the pub'''''. Your proposed changes are not the way the original publications credited the stories. However, I recognize that our current entries are not correct either. I have opened [[ISFDB:Help_desk#Andrew_Lang.27s_Fairy_Tale_Anthologies|this discussion]] to obtain community input on best way forward. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:27, 25 January 2018 (EST)<br />
:I'm glad this has been put up for discussion as I've gotten a different response from another moderator. As I mentioned before too Andrew Lang was the editor and selected the tales to be published. He was only responsible for 2 stories and they are credited in the books. This is what he stated in his prefaces, this is also in the entry on wikipedia & the Oxford Companion to Children's Literature & Oxford Companion to Fairy Tales. Anyways I won't do any more research into the stories until there's some clarification.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 02:45, 26 January 2018 (EST)<br />
::Yes, but the credits you haven trying to change them to are not the credits used in the books. If a pub uses "J. Smith", we record it that way. We don't make it "John Smith" because that's the author's fullname. If there is no credit (which is the case for several of these), we use "uncedited". If the real author is known, then we use variants to show the real author. But the credits are per the book. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:15, 26 January 2018 (EST)<br />
My copy is by Dover & is a facsimile reprint of the original 1889 edition. The cover states "edited by" Andrew Lang. The preface states where the stories came from(the Perrault were from a 18th century version & not new translations). Almost every story credits the source at the end. That's how I first heard of Madame de Villeneuve. Beauty and the Beast is my favorite fairy tale & until I got the Blue Fairy Book I had no idea it was not original to Madame Leprince de Beaumont. This book helped inspire me into researching and collecting(as a hobby) fairy tales and folk tales from around the world. Besides the Fairy Books, I have at least 30 other collections-I'm currently trying to get get the original hardcover editions of Oxford's Myths & Legends series. I also like researching the sources, which is why I'm still trying to figure out one German collection Lang used. Most of the collections I figured out what country/area they covered but this one has baffled me for a long time(I don't recall it right now & would have to check my books). I don't know if 1 or more editions of the Fairy Books cut out the information on sources, but you even wikipedia usually states who Lang credited. Anyways, I'll wait and see what the consensus is. Interested in what Bluesman will say.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 09:00, 26 January 2018 (EST)<br />
:You are still not getting it. In [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3693125 this edit], you tried to change the credit to "Henry B. Wheatley". That form never appears in the Blue Fairy Book. The preface uses "Mr. Wheatley" and that story has no footnote for the source. You are trying to use a credit that is not in the pub. That is not the way ISFDB works. We match the credits in the pub (in this case, we would use "Mr. Wheatley"). You are bringing some good information to light and I hope you continue to do so. However, you need to wrap your head around the idea that our ideal is to match the pub. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:05, 26 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Doctor Nikola, Master Criminal ==<br />
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I accepted your addition of {{P|650978|this pub}}:<br />
*This pub was already in the database. Since you had additional content then what was in the existing record, I went ahead and accepted the new one & deleted the old. However, please do an ISBN search prior to submitting new pubs.<br />
*I changed the title to "Doctor Nikola, Master Criminal", based on your publication note. We use the title page form as the canonical title of a publication. <br />
*I copied over the price from the previous entry and sourced it to Amazon since you did not enter a price.<br />
*I copied over the Amazon image URL from the previous entry. Feel free to replace with a local scan if you plan on uploading one.<br />
Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:46, 28 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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When I checked Boothby's entry I was looking under the Dr. Nikola series & didn't see an omnibus or collection listed,so I didn't think it was listed. I think this book might have been listed based on pre-publication info. There's a few other books in the series posted without contents based on pre-pub stuff as well. When I can find more books for my library, I'll add the info.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 01:14, 29 January 2018 (EST)<br />
:A good portion of our content was automatically imported. There is a bot that trawls Amazon for new pubs. The data on Amazon is better than nothing, but it can fall short in many respects. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:26, 29 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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== The Blue Fairy Book ==<br />
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I have updated the first edition of {{P|380119|The Blue Fairy Book}}. Please give it a look and let me know if you see any issues. If you have any more information on the title Lang didn't credit, that would be good. We can variant them to the proper credited as needed. Also, please check out {{A|Mr. Wheatley}}. Based on the prior information you provided, I believe I linked to the correct person on Wikipedia, but it would be good to confirm. If all looks good, I will start updating the other editions & then begin working on the other volumes in the series. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:49, 28 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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Other than maybe varianting a few titles, The Blue Fairy Book listing looks awesome! As a moderator I'm sure you have a ton of stuff, so with your permission I would love to do the other titles. I have the whole series as Dover books. I know some titles won't have much(I think the Half-Chick is only listed as a Spanish story) & I could do research for those which I'd put in the notes only. I know one German source Lang he accidentally had 2 different first names(Mite Kremnitz[?]. I have lots of time for this(being unemployed sucks) so this is really fun.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 01:07, 29 January 2018 (EST)<br />
:Sure, go ahead. I appreciate the updates you made to find the original sources. Thanks! --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:27, 29 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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I just finished doing The Red Fairy Book using your work on The Blue Fairy Book as a template. Wish Lang had been a little more careful with listing the sources- Madame d'Aulnoy also listed as Mme. d'Aulnoy and Mdme.d'Aulnoy, and Mite Kremnitz as Nite Kremnitz and Mite Thremnitz! Anyways, hope my work is okay. If approved will variant/add original French/German/Norse titles.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 05:28, 31 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Miss May Ken(d)all ==<br />
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Hello, I just rejected your submission for making a pseudonym. Don't worry, it is just likely that this name variant was introduced via a typo in the first place. So it's better to change the title (which I'll do). Thanks for finding this, though. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:59, 31 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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== French Capitalization ==<br />
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Hello, when you create a new title record in french, please respect the standard french capitaliztion: only the first word of the title is capitalized except for the "proper" nouns (places, names, personnified concepts). For example <i>La Véritable Histoire du Petit Chaperon d'Or</i> should be entered as <i>La véritable histoire du Petit Chaperon d'Or</i>. Note that such are the marvels of the written french that, in this case, there may be endless debates to determine if "Petit Chaperon d'Or" is a name (capitalized) or a simple description (not capitalized). Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 03:36, 2 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks. I try to copy the title as published in the original book, but I'll try to be more careful. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 04:06, 2 February 2018 (EST)<br />
::In fact you should not "copy the title as published in the original book" but regularize the capitalization if need be as french publishers are very creative in this regard.[[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 04:20, 2 February 2018 (EST)<br />
:::Please take my remarks into account, I don't want to have to correct all the french titles that you propose (e.g. <i>Le Petit Soldat</i> which is quite jarring to a french reader). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 01:45, 3 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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::::I'm sorry, I don't mean to cause distress! I usually go by the title as listed in the book's table of contents(& these old French books always have them at the back it seems), & this was how it was Le petit soldat was. I checked to make sure all the titles weren't all capitalize & they were not so I thought it was okay. It gets confusing with capitalization sometimes, like when one book is titled Contes du Roi Cambrinus and other is roi. Again I apologize. My French is merde.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 02:00, 3 February 2018 (EST)<br />
:::::As I wrote above, do not take into account how the publisher capitalized, use the "official" regularization.[[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 09:15, 3 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Legal Name ==<br />
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The legal name field should be entered as "LAST, FIRST MIDDLE(S)". That's different than all of our other fields so it does tend to catch people. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:07, 2 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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== The Green Fairy Book ==<br />
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Since in your edit, you state "I don't actually own the 1892 original book, I have the Dover reprint", you should not have verified the original. It is okay to enter the contents based on the reprint, but not verify it. Instead, clone the original (use the "Clone This Pub" option on the {{P|651570|1892 edition}}) and enter the information for your Dover reprint. That is the one you should verify. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:20, 2 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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Okay, thanks. I wasn't sure about the cloning, I'll do that with the next book. I'll also try to remember about last name first for legal names. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 23:41, 2 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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== "The Enchanted Watch" and Deulin vs. Leger ==<br />
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Hi, and a belated welcome. I have a question about your proposed variant of "The Enchanted Watch". I could not confirm how ''The Mammoth Book of Fairy Tales'' actually credits the story, but Locus credits Charles Deulin and notes it is the story from ''The Green Fairy Book'' with Andrew Lang as translator. I can see [https://www.amazon.com/Green-Fairy-Dover-Childrens-Classics/dp/0486214397 The Green Fairy Book] on Amazon, and the Look Inside shows the story is credited there to "Deulin" (I don't know where we got Lang as the author in our record for that book -- that seems like a mistake).<br />
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While I do not doubt your Internet Archive find of the story in Leger's anthology, what evidence do you have that the story collected there isn't Deulin's? It looks to me like Deulin pre-dated Leger by two decades, so it is not an unreasonable possibility that Leger had Deulin's work available and incorporated it. If something like that were the case, and we had a book crediting the story to Leger, we would make the variant the other way around (keep the Deulin credit as canonical/parent, and make the Leger credit the variant).<br />
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Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:26, 3 February 2018 (EST)<br />
:{{P|651570|The Green Fairy Book}} credits it as {{A|Deulin}}. That was updated the other day as part of the clean-up of the Coloured Fairy Books (see [[ISFDB:Help_desk#Andrew_Lang.27s_Fairy_Tale_Anthologies|this discussion]]). I have removed the misleading note on the title record for the ''The Mammoth Book of Fairy Tales'' version and varianted the ''The Green Fairy Book'' version to that one. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:01, 3 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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Hi MartyD! When I was submitting titles for "The Mammoth Book of Fairy Tales" I tried to get the original titles for the old non-English stories, so I went thru Deulin's collections(Tales of a Beer-Drinker & Tales of Cambrinus, King of Beer) & couldn't find anything resembling The Enchanted Watch. The story's wikipedia page listed Sebillot, but googling the title I found it in Leger's collection & even though my French isn't that great, it matched the story. He credits it as a Bohemian tale he collected from someone whose name I couldn't read. The hero's name is Jenik, which doesn't sound French, & the story isn't in short chapters like Deulin's other stories(like The Little Soldier). If someone could find it in Deulin's works, I'd like to know. Lang sometime's made mistakes-like leaving out credits or getting a name wrong(Mrs. Mite Kremnitz's name is misspelled for BOTH stories-so this could be a mistake. I've been doing a ton of research for these stories & this is what I found. It would be great if I'm proven wrong.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 02:51, 4 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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:I found another credit for this story, to Paul Sébillot (see http://newspaperslibrary.org/articles/eng/Paul_S%C3%A9billot and http://www.gutenberg.us/articles/eng/The_Enchanted_Watch -- whether this is authoritative, I cannot judge). What's interesting about that is while Lang makes no mention of Deulin in his preface to ''The Green Fairy Book'', that preface does mention "M. Sébillot" (although I think some of the other stories are his). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 09:09, 6 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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I wonder if those articles is the reason wikipedia listed the story as Sebillot's. I know Lang didn't credit Deulin in the preface, but did credit the story The Little Soldier and that one is in short chapters like those in The Red Fairy Book. I'm currently trying to find the original title for The Snuff-Box so maybe I'll come up with something. I need to find a better site for translating French & German to English, but when I googled Le mondre enchantee & the name of the hero Jenik Leger's version popped up & I don't think peasants in Bohemia had even heard of Deulin or Sebillot(sorry I don't add the accents, I have to change the languagge on my tablet & it's a real pain). Anyways, thanks for the info-I need all I can get![[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 04:42, 7 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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:Ok, what I think we should do for now is cancel your proposed variant to a new, Leger-credited title and incorporate the information from that submission and above into the notes on {{T|2304196|this title}}. Then we will have preserved everything in a place where it's easy to find. We can revisit recording other titles/credits as we come across more definitive information or other publications. How does that sound? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:49, 7 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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Sounds great. I'm taking a break from Sebillot & working on stories from the Cabinet des Fees going thru, the volumes(of which there are 40!) verifying stories so that's going to take some time. Thanks for all your help.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 03:49, 8 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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:I rejected the variant and added a summary of the info here to the one credited to Charles Deulin -- [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2304196 The Enchanted Watch]. Feel free to have your way with those notes. :-) --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 17:50, 9 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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Thanks. I think I'll just leave it for now, going to move on to the next Fairy Book. I actually found a story in the Pink one that Lang credits Leger as a source, at least it has all the necessary details!<br />
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== Beauty and the Beast ==<br />
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I have your variant of {{T|2317834|Beauty and the Beast}} on hold (I actually put it on hold a couple of days ago and then forgot about it). According to multiple sources (like the note at your proposed {{T|2213640|parent}} and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabrielle-Suzanne_de_Villeneuve#Beauty_and_the_Beast Wikipedia's de Villeneuve page]), the original "La Belle et la Bête" was of novel length (over 40k words). The version in "The Blue Fairy Book" is only 7168 words. According to [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beauty_and_the_Beast Wikipedia's Beauty and the Beast page], both de Beaumont and Lang's version were abridged. Do you have anything to indicate the original was not novel length? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:28, 5 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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I didn't know til I just rechecked that de Villeneuve's story was called a novel on Wikipedia. I had thought it was a short story as it was part of a collection, but after reading Brian Stableford's essay in The New York Review of Books heard it was apparently 40,000 words long, which I believe constitutes a novella on this website (until now I wasn't sure of the difference between a novella & a novelette). This essay was written in conjunction with the publication of an the collection or omnibus of The Naiads & Beauty and the Beast edited by Stableford, where he wrote The Naiads was 90,000 words long(This book is listed on ISFDB & I'm wondering about buying it!) . I know The Blue Fairy Book's version is much shorter, but as de Villeneuve's had some eroticism unsuitable for children besides the length, I'm not surprised. If the moderators wish to leave it as a novel it's all the same to me. That original collection both of these stories came from must have been really long though![[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 04:28, 7 February 2018 (EST)<br />
:I left the two records separate, but I beefed up the notes explaining the situation. Thanks! --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:43, 8 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Hermann Kletke submissions ==<br />
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Hi, I approved you submission for Hermann Kletke's stories. You provided babel.hathitrust.org as your data source in the moderator note, which is ok, but it's generally be more helpful if you post the ''full link'' to a publication on an external website. This saves moderators the time to search for the publication again, in the case search babel.hathitrust.org again. ;) Thanks, Jens [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] 11:51, 9 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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: Sorry about that, so used to putting that on the webpage line. I'm finding the Kletke stories more complicated, just trying to read the notes about sources for the German so I'm going back & forth between different online readers. Wish Andrew Lang had done the sources better! {{Unsigned|Loviatar}}<br />
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:: No problem. There are now [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?266192 three stories left] which need varianting. Are you going to do it? Jens [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] 12:19, 9 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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::: Working on that right now. I have variant another tale to Kletke as well. Someone put The War of the Wolf & the Fox as a variant for a Grimm tale, but they're completely different. It's from Kletke as well.<br />
::: I can' seem to find the original of The Biter Bit in Kletke's 3-volume Marchensaal. I did find in the first volume the story Die Schlange, an adaptation of Basile's Lo serpo. This is probably the version Lang had translated as The Enchanted Snake in The Green Fairy Book. Not sure if I should break the original variant & link it to Kletke or not.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 01:30, 10 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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:::: There are still a serveral issues with your submissions, which all involve incorrect variants:<br />
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:::: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3706897 This submission] made ''The War of the Wolf and the Fox'' by Grimm a variant of ''Der Krieg des Wolfes und des Fuchses'' by Hermann Kletke. However, your note to the moderator says that "This is not the Grimm story The Wolf & The Fox". If that's the case you ''must not'' variant them. We only create variants for:<br />
::::* the ''same'' work under a ''different title''<br />
::::* the ''same'' work under a ''pseudonym'' (or an ''author name variation'' with a different spelling, shortened name, etc)<br />
::::* for the ''same'' work as a translation into another language<br />
:::: The solution for this case depends on the authorship of {{T|2320868|The War of the Wolf and the Fox}} in ''The Green Fairy Book''. If it's from Hermann Kletke the author has to be changed. If Grimm is correct then the variant has to be removed.<br />
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:::: As for ''The Biter Bit'': if we don't find information about the original title of a translation, and the translation was only published under a pseudonym ("Kletke" in this case), we still have to create a variant. However, we then use the same data (language, title, date) except for the author, which has to be the ''canonical author name'' ("Hermann Kletke" in this case). The reason is that without such a variant, ''The Bitter Bit'' will not show up on Hermann Kletke's page. This has been done already for ''The Biter Bit''. the result is {{T|2325352|here}}. <br />
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:::: As for pseudonyms (e.g. "Kletke" being pseudonym of the canonical author name "Hermann Kletke"): if a submission uses a ''new'' pseudonym which is not in the database yet, a ''second'' submission is necessary after the variant has been approved, because the record of the pseudonym has to be made a pseudonym of the record of the canonical author. This is sometimes done by moderators, but you should keep an eye on that. Please read [[Help:How_to_record_a_variant_title]] for the details about varianting.<br />
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:::: Then there's the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?168442 Ludwig Bechstein] record, which seems to have several of these issues:<br />
::::* ''The Magic Swan'' by Kletke must not be a variant of ''Schwan, kleb' an'' by Ludwig Bechstein, because, coming from different authors, these are different ''works''.<br />
::::* The same applies for the variants there which have "Grimm" as author.<br />
::::* Also, as far as I call tell from his Wikipedia page, Ludwig Bechstein must not be a pseudonym of Grimm because he's neither pseudonym nor is it just a different name for the Grimms.<br />
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:::: Please take the time and check all the database records mentioned above, then either create submissions or post some answers (or subsequent questions) here. I know that all these rules are a lot to learn and the system of variants is complicated, but once you get used to it it'll be easier :)<br />
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:::: Also, please use correct indentation in you answer using colons for better readability (check how I've done it here, and also see the "Wiki Conventions" link in your "Welcome!" message on top of this page for more information about that). Jens [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] 06:03, 10 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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::::: The only title I varianted to Bechstein was The Magic Swan after consulting Kletke's book & checking his notes. I figured since a few others had been done this way I'd do that too-he was an important writer. The War of the Wolf & the Fox I knew wasn't the Brothers Grimm when I started doing the variants after my corrected version of The Green Fairy Book was accepted. I have Jack Zipes' translation & consult it constantly. Someone else varianted it to The Wolf & the Fox (Grimm tale no. 73) & I have corrected that. I wish there was a English translation for Kletke's book-I think he greatly inspired Andrew Lang with his early collection of world folktales.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 07:18, 10 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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== How to handle author credit of traditional stories (again) ==<br />
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Please see [[Rules_and_standards_discussions#How_to_handle_author_credit_of_traditional_stories_.28again.29|How to handle author credit of traditional stories (again)]] as this discussion is relevant to the traditional fairy tales you have been working on. You are welcome to participate in the discussion. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:10, 10 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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Thanks for letting me know about the discussion. I think something has to be done with the stories Andrew Lang mitakenly attributed to Grimm.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 07:37, 11 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Dr Steere ==<br />
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Hello, I've rejected your submission for the second time. As "Edward Steere" does not seem to have been used (for now), it's useless to create a new canonical. We do not credited Hal Clement's works to "Harry Stubb". I've salvaged your submission and credit the original title to Dr Steere. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 06:39, 24 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Dr Steere ==<br />
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Hello, I've rejected your submission for the second time. As your submissions lack sources, it's unclear if "Edward Steere" have been used (for now), it's useless to create a new canonical. We do not credited Hal Clement's works to "Harry Stubb". I've salvaged your submission and credit the original title to Dr Steere. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 06:41, 24 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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:I don't know what you mean by "lacking sources" as all three stories are from Steere's book Swahili Tales which I had to read online to verify. As for the name, I'll make Dr. Steere a variant for Edward Steere. I've been told before to credit "as per pub" and Lang lists him as Dr. Steere in his preface. I hope when I correct that the submissions will be okay.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 07:43, 24 February 2018 (EST)<br />
::What I need is in fact the URL of this book to confirm that there are indeed texts signed "Edward Steere". [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 08:46, 24 February 2018 (EST)<br />
:::Thanks for the link (you could have responded here, that would have been easier to find), I've done the necessary changes (or so I hope). I've decided to skip the "L.L.D." part. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 05:43, 25 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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Thanks. I thought it be easier if I just did it while I was varianting stories for The Violet Fairy Book(my research puts Wikipedia to shame LOL). [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 08:16, 25 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Conall Cearnach vs Conell Cearnach ==<br />
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Hi, your verified copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?650309 Classic Tales of the Supernatural] contains a story [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2315653 The Homing Bone] by [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?265632 Conell Cearnach]. Can that be a typo -either by you or by the publisher- for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?162111 Conall Cearnach]? He wrote the same story.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 07:00, 26 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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:It's a publisher's typo, one of a few. I noticed a few titles were written out different as well(like Henry James' Romance of Certain Old Clothes as Some Old Cloths!). It is the same author, didn't I variant it to his name? When I did the contents I found the collection that story was originally printed in, but little else.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 08:38, 26 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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:: I've corrected it.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 09:45, 26 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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::Thanks.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 10:14, 26 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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== French Capitalization Redux ==<br />
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Hello, when you create a new title record in french, please respect the standard french capitaliztion: only the first word of the title is capitalized except for the "proper" nouns (places, names, personnified concepts). Do not copy what's in the source(s), regularize the capitalization as above. I've had to correct (invisibly to you) quite a lot of your submissions. Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 04:23, 13 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:I'm sorry M. Hauck. I still get confused sometimes translating(at least I can clearly read the French books,, most of the German books I check are in Gothic & a pain in the derriere), but being French yourself I'm glad someone knows. I would have thought books put out by folklore societies and other authorities would be correct, but I guess things have changed since the 1880's. I had noticed changes sometimes, wish there was an option that let's a person correct mistakes that pop up when you submit, sort of a last chance before the moderators see. Anyways, thanks for everything.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 02:11, 15 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
::No problem, IIRC the "standard" (sic) rules of capitalization for french are quite stable. The problem is the infinite typological creativity of the french publishers (compare [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?431293 this with two capitals] with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?328267 that without any] or [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?328268 a slightly later printing from the same publisher]) compounded by the fact that we decided to regularize capitalization. You may find the same problem for english titles, especially for "little" words (to, for, an, etc.) that we (normally) regularize even if the title itself is capitalized differently. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 04:22, 15 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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I know exactly what you mean when it comes to some English titles-I've come across a few eye-rollers while working on Andrew Lang's Fairy Books. I use to mark spelling & other English tests for teachers, so it irks me a little. The current book I'm working on even had a word I didn't think could be used in Scrabble-foollishest! [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 04:37, 15 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
:Apart from this (I've still had to correct your last two additions in French), please also remember that, for countries of birth, we use only "USA" and "UK" (authors born in "U.K." or "U.S.A." show up on our of our cleanup reports and have to be corrected by a moderator, usually me). Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 04:34, 20 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks for the info for UK & USA, wasn't sure about that. The one d'Aulnoy story I added I would have had as 'biche' & only capitalized that world as that's how it was on Wikipedia.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 04:53, 20 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
::Well, as I said before, we regularize capitalization so please follow our set of rules regardless of what wikipedia, The Pope, the publisher or even God himself said. So it's "biche". [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 06:22, 20 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== ''The Complete Fairy Tales & Stories of Hans Christian Andersen'' ==<br />
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I saw your note on your changes to {{A|Erik Christian Haugaard}}, but I couldn't find the ''The Complete Fairy Tales & Stories of Hans Christian Andersen'' to which you referred, so I can't comment on what you did with regard to recording a translation. Each story's title record should have Haugaard designated as translator. If the entire book exists in Danish and was translated by him in it's entirety, you should record it in the collection's title record (which would then be a variant of the original Danish collection's title record). Does that help? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 09:09, 25 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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I just (partially) added the book. Apparently it's based on a 1874 edition Andersen edited himself, so I guess have to add that info. I haven't finished adding all 156 stories, will do more tomorrow. When I'm done, I'll see what I can do. I tried to put Haugaard as the collection's translator like in the template notes but guess I didn't do it right. Thanks for the info.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 09:21, 25 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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: You set it correctly on the collection level. But it needs to be added in each of the English stories one by one as well. I added it to a few today, will probably give you a hand with the rest over the weekend if you do not get around to it. This way these won't get merged with other translations. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:53, 30 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:: Okay, thanks a lot. I think at least half the stories don't have English translations in the database outside this publication, so probably won't have to do too many. Some also have different titles compared to other English translations(like The Bog King's Daughter instead of the more common Marsh King's Daughter), so that shpuld help a bit too. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 04:18, 30 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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::: There are none now... but there may be one later. So all stories with known translators should have the translator in the notes so we do not need to dig later :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:46, 30 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Okay, will do. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 05:10, 30 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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::::: When I am working on something like this, I usually do double edits at the same time - make the variant and immediately, edit title on the translation to add the translator. Both are independent so you can submit them at the same time and this way you do not need to spend an hour (or 3) mindlessly adding translators at the end :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:11, 30 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== The Ruby and the Cauldron ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Wikipedia, while very useful, is not always reliable and using it as an only source can lead to moving typos between DBs and sites. We have 2 PVs, both active, that have books containing the story. Can you please discuss with them how the story appears in their books before changing the title? If they agree that the name is wrong in our DB, I will approve the change. Meanwhile I will keep [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3777747 the submission] on hold until this is resolved. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 07:26, 11 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:I own the one book listed for that title-Classic Mystery Stories-& it is listed as The Ruby and the Caldron. I never saw it spelled that way before so I always remembered it. Also when I googled the title, that's what showed up except for one entry. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 07:40, 11 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
:: Your note mentioned only Wiki :) We still have two Primary Verifiers that need to be consulted though per our etiquette - in case there is a different spelling in their books for example and to ensure that the data they had verified does not get changed with no warning. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 07:49, 11 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
::: I've pinged the PV that is around. Hopefully he will respond shortly and we will resolve this one. Thanks for your patience. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:44, 11 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::: Answer received and submission approved. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:39, 11 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Voodoo ==<br />
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Hello, I've put your submission on hold. Can you confirm that this book meets our ROA? In a nutshell, is it a book "about" spec-fic? Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 03:57, 12 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:Now I'm not sure! It's a non-fiction book about Voodoo, which I know has been featured in a lot of horror. I saw the author's name & just checked his page as I remembered I had this book & thought I should add it. Also to add a missing title to the Library of Occult series(I found 6 others in my collection not listed). I know some non-fiction is listed in the isfdb, but I'll leave it up to your judgment. Thanks.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 04:06, 12 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
::Let's not encumber ourselves with such titles, I've rejected your submission. Thanks.[[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 04:07, 12 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::Okay. Maybe should delete his entry altogether. The only title listed is another non-fiction book, this one about Easter Island.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 04:10, 12 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
::::I confess that this was my initial thought, I'm going to try it. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 04:35, 12 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::::Done. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 04:39, 12 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
:Okay, thanks.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 04:53, 12 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== ''The Bones of Djulung'' ==<br />
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I have put your submission for creating a new parent on hold. Could you explain how [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?270227 A. F. Mackenzie] and new author Dr. B. F. Matthes (Dutch?) are connected? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:51, 25 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
:It's actually A.F. Chamberlain as I wrote in the note for The Lilac Fairy Book. It's a little complicated. The story was collected & published in Dutch by Dr. B.F. Matthes. That story was translated into German & published by T.J. Bézemer in his collection Volksdichtung aus Indonesien. This in turn was translated by Chamberlain for Folk-Lore. I hope that clears things up a bit! [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 16:10, 26 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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::What does 'collected & published in Dutch by' mean? Is it in any incarnation credited to Matthes (or to Mackenzie / Chamberlain)? And who did write it really? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:42, 26 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:Dr. Matthes collected the story from the Macassar natives of Sulawesi, Indonesia & published as part of an article in the Dutch journal Bijdragen tot de Taal- Land- en Volkenkunde van Nederlandsche-Indie(no.34, 1885), AKA the Journal of the Humanities & Social Sciences of the Dutch Indies. It is credited to him in that article & also in Chamberlain's article in Folk-Lore. I hope that helps. It's interesting that the story is considered a variant of Cinderella.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 00:39, 27 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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::I have approved the submission but changed the original author to 'unknown', since Matthes obviously drew from another source and he & Mackenzie are different authors, so they can't have a pseudonymous relationship. I hope that's okay (see also the note for the new title). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:29, 27 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:If we're going to list it that way we might as well credit all tales from the Brothers Grimm & all other folktale collectors to others or unknown as they collected them from others(which is where at least half of the stories in the Fairy Books are from). Also why would there be a pseudonymous relationship between Chamberlain(Lang erroneously listed him as Mackenzie) & Matthes? The story was first published in Dutch by Matthes, translated into German, than from the German version to English by Chamberlain. BTW, I had hoped when I added Chamberlain's info, the canonical name would be changed & Mackenzie varianted to Chamberlain. Lang's proofreader messed up there.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 05:16, 27 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:::I reverted the varianting and deleted the Matthes title. As for what you wrote, the Dr. wrote that he ain't the author of the tale but only collected it, so he discredits himself. The varianting is for titles effectively by the same author(s), which is not the case. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:01, 27 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== The White Blackbird ==<br />
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I am clicking too fast - was planning on approving and fixing the short story variant and managed to send the same rejections to both - sorry about that... We define novels based on the number of words - what the author or a publisher calls it does not matter much. So based on your note that it is short, I made the variant as a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2362659 novella]. For the chapbook - we make a variant only if there is a publication like that - we always variant the text elements but the containers (anthology, collection, omnibus, chapbook) don't always have editions in the original languages - so we do not create empty variants. When a publication is added that is essentially the same chapbook, it will get varianted but until then, the English one stands alone. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:43, 2 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:Okay. Thanks.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 05:24, 2 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== The Mike Stocks titles ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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I approved most of the variants but kept thinking about them. The way the DB works is that variants won't show on their author pages on their own - so in this case Stocks page will be very empty. And "retelling" is not exactly what the variants are for - abridgements - yes (and then we add the original author as an author as well), but not retellings. The only way to connect the dots with the retellings is to use the notes field. <br />
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So are those retellings or just abridgements? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:00, 26 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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: They are retold by Mike Stocks. When I originally added the 2 books I put the authors down, but the moderator [[JLaTondre]] redid them to Stocks with the authors in notes. It just kept bugging it was too bad these versions aren't mention under the original authors summaries, just the notes. Especially the Barry Pain story. Though the one story was a mix of 2, so I wouldn't know what to do! Btw-was there a problem with the website last nite? Every time I tried to get on ISFDb I kept getting an SQL error note.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 05:36, 26 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:: Software Issues - a DB report that was doing something it was not supposed to - so we were down for most of the US nights in the last 3 days. It was identified today and disabled so we are back to normal. Happens now and then :)<br />
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:: For the stories - let me sleep on this whole thing? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 06:28, 26 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:No problem. As for the software, I'm in Canada so it was more widespread. Glad everything's okay now.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]]<br />
:: It was a DB problem - the whole site was down. I was using the "US night" to indicate time :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 08:21, 26 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Jim Henson's The Storyteller ==<br />
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Thanks for adding contents to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?457438 ''Jim Henson's The Storyteller'']! A quick FYI: LCCN numbers go into the External IDs field, where they automatically become links to the online catalog of the Library of Congress. Isn't 21st century technology amazing? :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:37, 17 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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It sure is sometimes, thanks. I have to fix the title of one story, just realized that while watching the original shows. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 04:21, 18 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Augusto Uribe ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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You mentioned that you were unable to add the Amazon ES page to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?24469 this one] and could not. I added it successfully. Do you remember what errors it was giving you? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:44, 18 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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It might have just been my tablet, I need to get a new one. I was pressing the add new webpage feature but it wouldn't do anything. Not the first time I'vve had a problem like that. Seems my tablet can only handle so much before it freezes. I'm sure it's just that. Thanks for adding the info.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 01:32, 21 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Man’s Inhumanity to Man ==<br />
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I have had to reject your variant of this title. While that line does come from "Man Was Made To Mourn: A Dirge", it has also been used as the title of extracts from that poem ([https://www.poetrynook.com/poem/mans-inhumanity-man example]). We do not variant extracts to the original work. I have added a note to both the publication and the title record describing both possibilities. It will have to wait on a verifier to resolve. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:26, 21 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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No problem. If it had said extract I would have left it, I know books don't always state that. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 02:32, 24 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Death and Dr. Hornbook: A True Story ==<br />
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I have placed this edit on hold. When making such changes to a primary verified pub, you need to check with the verifiers first. It is quite common for publications to adapt works into modern English. If that's the case here, we would variant the title, not change it. I have notified a verifier and will process it based on his response. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:35, 21 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
:Rtrace confirmed it was not changed to modern English. I have accepted the edit, but changed the date to 1787[http://www.robertburns.plus.com/hornbook.htm]. We use the date of first publication, not the date it was written. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:58, 21 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
The webpage just gave a date, thought it was date of publication. Sorry.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 02:33, 24 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Tales of Ancient Persia ==<br />
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Regarding your addition of ''Tales of Ancient Persia'': Your moderator note states "Info from my book & illustrator's Wikipedia page." What data comes from Wikipedia that is not in the book? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:37, 21 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:There was no copyright for the illustrations so I checked Victor Ambrus' page to make sure they were from the original edition.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 02:59, 22 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
::In case, it should be entered as "uncredited" and then varianted to Ambrus. The only case we directly use a credit that is not from the pub is for cover art. And in that case, we would use the canonical name of the artist, not a pseudonym. I will approve and make the necessary changes. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:58, 22 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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Ambrus was credited in my edition, on the cover & for interior. I just wanted to make sure the illustrations were from 1972 or were done for this paperback edition. Many of the Oxford Myths & Legends series was illustrated by Joan Kiddell-Monroe, so I just wanted to check.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 02:38, 23 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
:Ah, that was not clear. I have re-added the credits. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:38, 23 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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Thanks, sorry for any confusion.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 02:34, 24 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Hungarian Folk-Tales ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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The reason we have the titles normalization is to ensure that we do not end up with a myriad of variants based on what an editor/publisher preferred to use. The capitalization after "-" is one of those. If you want to note that "A Dragon-Tale" and "Hungarian Folk-Tales" have tale/tales in small letters, you should add a note to the publication but the titles need to be normalized. The changed publication is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?675391 here]. Thanks for the understanding! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:22, 24 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Barbara Leonie Picard's "The Three Wishes" ==<br />
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A quick question about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?877756 this story]: does the information about the publication date come from the Internet Archive copy of "The Mermaid and the Simpleton"? Or from their copy of "Castles and Dragons: Read-to-Yourself Fairy Tales for Boys and Girls" (which I have been unable to find at archive.org)? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:41, 31 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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From The Mermaid & the Simpleton. It was republished in Castles & Dragons. Sorry about any confusion.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 03:58, 2 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Best-Loved Folktales of the World ==<br />
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I approved your addition but can you do me a favor and look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?414868 this one] - it shares the ISBN. Is it an earlier/first edition of your book? Or is the year actually wrong and we can just delete this one and leave yours as the first edition? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:47, 1 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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I noticed that too & I think whoever put in the original mistakenly listed the book as hardcover instead of paperback. The copyright info in my book states it was first published in hardcover in 1982 by Doubleday & then in paperback in 1983 by Anchor Books(a division of Random House). So the other entry should probably be deleted. Thank you.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 04:05, 2 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Best-Loved Folktales of the World ==<br />
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I'm holding your three edits that would change the authors in {{P|676602|Best-Loved Folktales of the World}}. Based on your pub notes, it sounds like these stories are not credited in the publication. If so, they should be varianted to the original works. Your current edits would change the authors in your pub (to say they are credited that way in the pub). Would you please confirm? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:06, 11 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:The only authors credited were in the copyright section, except for a few stories mentioned as the Brothers Grimm in the Introduction. I've been going thru my books & others online to find the other stories(I'm still not sure what edition of Grimm was used, though some stories match a 1922 edition). I know we're suppose to credit per pub, but what if only some are? When I submitted the first part(West Europe) originally, over half the stories weren't mentioned in the copyright pages. I wish people would list story sources even if they're in the public domain. I've only added non-credited sources if they match. That's what I was doing with the Lang Fairy Books(I still haven't traced The Half-Chick which Cole reprinted). At least this book is better than 1one I have at home which was a partial reprint of a 1931 book, but without listing anybody. The publisher even had the nerve to reprint the original editor's notes except for the lines listing the source books. Anyways, I hope I can continue. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 03:11, 12 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
::The credits should be per the pub. If the pub doesn't provide an author credit, it should be entered as uncredited. If you trace down the original source, the title record in the pub should be '''''varianted''''' to a credited title; not change the uncredited title record. Take a look at how {{P|676602|Best-Loved Folktales of the World}} is currently entered: On page 50, it is saying that story is credited to Paul DeLarue within the pub. On page 53, it is saying the story is not credited in the pub, but it is known to be a Grimm brothers translation. See the difference? You didn't explicitly answer my original question. I'm guessing these are credits you tracked down and are not in the pub? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:51, 12 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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I did track down titles. I'll go back & delete all the info I added that wasn't listed(a lot of the European stories weren't credited). Some titles I don't think I can variant as they already are-I can't variant Drakestail to the Andrew Lang book as that's already a variant of a French story. As for the Grimm stories, only a few were mentioned in the Introduction. Sorry for being so nerdy, I like looking up stuff.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 06:21, 13 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
:If Drakestail is the same as the version in Lang's book and they are both translation of the original French story, than it should also be varianted to the original French story. It's great that you are tracking these down, they just need to be recorded in the database the correct way. There can also sometimes be issues over translations vs. adaptations (especially in the older fairy tales), but we can only do the best we can with the info we have. I have put the additional edits on hold as we shouldn't loose that info. Tomorrow, I will make the variants and then accept the change to make it uncredited. After that, you can double check the record. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 23:20, 13 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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Okay, thanks. Some of the stories I have in other books, so they would probably be added anyways. I just wish the editors would credit the source books. I think it would help if a person wanted to learn the folktales of other cultures. At least Andrew Lang did for the most part, though he should have been more careful as editor(I finally tracked down a story Lang attributed to Paul Sebillot, & it's actually a nearly word-for-word reprint of a Basque story!)[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 03:51, 14 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
:I made the variants & accepted the publication edit. You did not need to clear the publication notes. You can add whatever explanations you wish to the pub notes and title notes. That is always good to have. It is the titles and author credits that should match the book. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:19, 14 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Oxford Myths and Legends ==<br />
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Hi. You verified and presumably entered 1990s editions/printings of at least two [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?7448 Oxford Myths and Legends] (see), Hungarian Folk-Tales and Tales of Ancient Persia. The latter needs a change of publisher from "Oxford" to "Oxford University Press".<br />
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ISFDB publisher Oxford is in Canada, evidently. If/when I find more information I will recommend that we disambiguate it with something in parentheses. Then "Oxford" will generate a yellow-background "Unknown Publisher" warning for the benefit of contributors including moderators. <br />
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By the way, here is the pound sterling symbol £ that you may wish to use by copy/paste.<br />
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Welcome to ISFDB. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:56, 19 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
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Thanks, I've been meaning to go back and change the publisher.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 02:01, 20 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
: Oh I see one more thing for this publication series. The 1954 price "18s, 6d" should be "18/6". --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 11:36, 20 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Elizabeth Willis DeHuff ==<br />
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Hi, sorry for the reject, but as the author's name was changed in a publication, the update was no longer valid (it had to be hard rejected, since the initial name no longer existed). Please supply the information anew. Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:30, 24 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
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Will do.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 04:36, 24 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Varianting P'u Sung-Ling ==<br />
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Hi, I had to reject your proposal for varianting a piece by P'u Sung-Ling to another, earlier English title. The author has Chinese as his working language (as he is Chinese), so the varianting should be done to a Chinese original title. Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:03, 3 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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No problem. I don't know Chinese(& I'm not going to even try to translate!) so hopefully someone someday can do the book. I would like to variant to the original Chinese, but only a few stories have been done.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 02:43, 4 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== C. W. Tawney ==<br />
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Hi, I just approved a submission of yours where a certain C. W. Tawney was co-author. As this is not a common surname I double-checked. Isn't this the same author as C. H. Tawney?--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 04:44, 8 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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Yes it is. After I pressed submit I looked and saw I made a mistake. I used to be able to back up and fix it on my old tablet, can't with this new one. Thanks for pointing it out.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 04:49, 8 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== The Tale of Tuppenny ==<br />
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Question about your verified publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?677419 The Tale of Tuppenny] (possible typos in the record) : Is the foreword really titled "Foreward" and the title at the head of the short story really printed "Tuppeny"? --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha (cazadora de tildes)]] 14:54, 26 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
Sorry to be so late getting back to you Vasha, been offline the last while. Thanks for pointing out my spelling mistake-it is Tuppenny. Also I doublechecked and it does say Foreward. Thanks for the help![[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 01:56, 3 November 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== "Freely translated by Wanda Gag" ==<br />
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Hi, I was always under the impression that "Freely translated" meant 'translated beyond recognition' or so heavily modified that the 'translator' becomes the new author (e.g. Philip José Farmer, Brian Stableford, etc.).--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 06:54, 10 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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: Whatever the standard used on IFSDB for translations is fine by me. I don't know how accurate a translation Gag did, but they're still from the Grimms. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 07:02, 10 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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:: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1136726 Ironcastle] by J. H. Rosny aîné and Philip José Farmer. Stableford appears to stick much closer to the original text in his translations.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 07:42, 10 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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::: Or take Walt Disney's version of 'Junglebook', another "Freely adaption" -would you enter that under Rudyard Kipling only? I'd say enter both Wanda Gag and the Grimm brothers, and variant it to the original.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 09:21, 10 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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Okay, will do. Thanks.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 01:49, 11 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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== "Haddam Witches" variant ==<br />
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Hi. Your proposed "Haddam Witches" variant would make a title by the canonical author a variant/child of a new title by the alternate name. That is backwards. Did you perhaps mean to do something different? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:22, 25 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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I thought I was varianting to the original title. Original-Haddam Witches by M. Jagendorf-1948. In the system-The Haddam Witches-Moritz Jagendorf-1958(from Witches!Witches!Witches!). I don't know why the latter is listed as a variant.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 23:37, 25 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Alternate names (nee pseudonyms) and titles ==<br />
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Hi. If you make a new alternate name relationship (e.g., as you did for {{A|Nancy Swoboda}} to {{A|Nancy C. Swoboda}}), the software does not automatically make the alternate name's titles into variants of the canonical name's titles. That has to be done by hand. So when establishing the alternate name relationship, you should also go through that author's titles and make variants credited to the canonical name. I did that for Nancy, just something to keep in mind for the future. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 09:02, 1 December 2018 (EST)<br />
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I wasn't sure about that, thank you for letting me know.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 04:18, 2 December 2018 (EST)<br />
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== The Fabulous Beasts ==<br />
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I'm holding your edit to {{T|1377158|The Fabulous Beasts}}. Does the book actually use "The Fabulous Beasts (excerpt from Grimbold's Other World)" as the title? We only add "(excerpt)" to differentiate excerpts that are identically titled to the original work. Since that is not the case here, we would leave it as titled in the pub. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:16, 8 December 2018 (EST)<br />
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Oh, okay. The anthology just says The Fabulous Beasts then has a note that it's from Grimbold's Other World. I checked & added the info on what part of the book it's from. I didn't know the rule for adding excerpt. It is nice to know it's from a novel, but I won't add it if I'm not suppose to. Thanks for letting me know.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 23:10, 9 December 2018 (EST)<br />
:Approved it, but removed the addition to the title. It's still good to list it in the notes. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:55, 10 December 2018 (EST)<br />
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Okay, thank you.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 11:11, 11 December 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Un frammento di Vita ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4099513 this change]. The source is [https://www.fantascienza.com/catalogo/volumi/NILF104681/le-creature-della-terra/ Fantascienza]. While it is possible that it is part of the much longer novella, this is a 1 page "something" and I suspect it may be in a poetic form. A one page excerpt should not be varianted under a novella anyway. So should we just leave it as it is, maybe adding a note that it is a 1 page work only? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:59, 15 December 2018 (EST)<br />
I'd just leave it as it is until someone gets more information. I looked at the Fantascienza page & I wish I could see the book. It probably is a poem as stated, but maybe not originally titled A Fragment of Life. I checked his Collected Works & could find no poem under that title. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 05:34, 15 December 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Brett Halliday / Davis Dresser ==<br />
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I'm going to reject your edit to make [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?96470 this title] a variant of a new title under the author's legal name, Davis Dresser. The problem is that this would put the two names in an incorrect parent child relationship. We have nine publications where the author is published as "Brett Halliday" and none where he is published as Dresser, or one after we add the story in ''Argosy'' where the it is published as by Dresser. Consequently, the canonical name should remain Halliday and the alternate name should be Dresser. We already have the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?349309 July 30, 1938 issue] of ''Argosy'' listed. I would recommend editing that issue to add the story as by Dresser, then make the new story a variant of the existing one. We could then make the variant name relationship with Halliday as the canonical name. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:26, 23 December 2018 (EST)<br />
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I wasn't going to change the canonical name at all. Thanks for telling me about the Argosy issue. Hopefully this will get it all straightened out![[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 08:31, 23 December 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Argosy, July 30, 1938 ==<br />
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Are all the titles you are adding to Argosy, July 30, 1938 genre? Simply because an author is in our database does not mean we add all their stories. For us to list non-genre stories, the author needs to be above the threshold. That does not seem the case here. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:14, 23 December 2018 (EST)<br />
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:I was just going to add the one story(Brett Halliday writing under his real name of David Dresser) as per RTrace's suggestion to fix another entry. I'm not sure about the other titles. Maybe the Dale Clark/Ronal Kyser, he wrote quite a few. Anyways, I leave it to your judgment.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 09:22, 23 December 2018 (EST)<br />
::I re-did the edit with just the one story. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:02, 23 December 2018 (EST)<br />
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== The Sutor of Selkirk ==<br />
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I've rejected your edit to {{T|874338|The Sutor of Selkirk}}. Please remember that when you change an author's name for a story, you are changing it for every publication that story is listed in. As we credit per the publication, this should only be done if every publication uses that credit. In this case, while the original magazine had a credit, it seems subsequent publications (including a primary verified one) left it uncredited. As such, this record should remain as by uncredited and it should be varianted to a new one using magazine credit. In addition, as you put in the notes, the magazine did not use "Anonymous". It used 'One of the Authors of the "Odd Volume," "Tales and Legends," &c.' As such, that should be the credit. Anonymous should only be used when the publication uses Anonymous. I have varianted it to {{T|2490758|this record}}. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:43, 1 January 2019 (EST)<br />
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Thank you. I get confused as to how to credit some things. I checked "The Odd Volume" and "Tales & Legends" & no one was credited to those books, though HathiTrust Digital Archive says they're from a M. Corbett. No idea where they got that name. Anyways, thank you.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 17:45, 1 January 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Bluebeard's Daughter ==<br />
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I've been wondering for a while now what you're trying to do with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2492304 this title]. I have it twice now in my changed verifications list, both with the note 'This is a new transaltion by the editor Huijing'. I'm going to add the translator to the notes (again), but that will only result in the merging of the two versions, because the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1179417 first variant] has the same note.<br />
Did you mean that the first translation was not by Huijing? If so the translator note must be changed to uncredited. If both translations are by Huijing, but differ, this should also be wxplained in the notes (something like'do not merge this title with the other translation'). --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 17:01, 5 January 2019 (EST)<br />
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:I'm sorry for any confusion. They are 2 different translations. I thought I already added the translator(I have to get the name from Google Books). I will add it.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 02:14, 6 January 2019 (EST)<br />
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::Thanks for the explanation. I added Huijing as translator to the right title, and changed the other to 'unknown' to avoid merging by accident. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 04:46, 6 January 2019 (EST)<br />
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I found the name of the translator for the 1946 version. It's an A. Kooistra. I have that change in my pending submissions. Thanks. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 04:49, 6 January 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Translators ==<br />
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Hello,<br />
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While I love that you are adding the translators to all those stories, I will love it even more if you start using the <nowiki>{{Tr|}}</nowiki> template so I do not need to edit every single title after approving your edits - or leave them to show up on the cleanup report and edit then :) You can look at one of your latest edits to see how you can use both A and Tr at the same time. Thanks in advance! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:44, 15 January 2019 (EST)<br />
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:I didn't know I could do that, thanks for letting me know. Saves some typing for both of us![[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 22:55, 15 January 2019 (EST)<br />
:: Just keep in mind that you cannot have two separate A inside of one Tr - so for double translators, you cannot do links. :) It is a neat side effect - but it is a side effect - thus the weird limitation. If you need multiple links, the href format works. Or just leave them unlinked. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:05, 15 January 2019 (EST)<br />
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== NONFICTION type ==<br />
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NONFICTION is used only as a container - when a book does not contain any fiction (or poems). I reverted [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1237827 this] back to an essay which is the short form of NONFICTION - basically if it is inside of a book with at least one fiction item, it is an essay (except for reviews and interviews of course) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:03, 16 January 2019 (EST)<br />
: PS: Or did you try to indicate that this is non-genre (that's one of the checkboxes, not the type)? If so, it should just be deleted. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:04, 16 January 2019 (EST)<br />
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::The Chilling and Killing called it non-fiction, though it's more like fiction. It's kind of a weird entry. The author wrote 'detective puzzle' books where the reader is given clues to solve it themselves, with answers at the back. I couldn't determine whether this formula was followed in Masterstrokes or not, Google Books' Snippet View kinda of sucks in that respect. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 00:27, 16 January 2019 (EST)<br />
::: And anything inside of a book of fiction that someone calls non-fiction and which is not an interview or a review of a relevant title is called an essay in ISFDB :) That includes articles, essays, puzzles and anything else you can think of. You cannot have an entry of the type NONFICTION inside of another book - only standalone fully non-fiction books get that designation. Think of an essay as the content brother of NONFICTION - books are of types NONFICTION; non-fiction contents inside of books are of type ESSAY. In general, there are 4 types that cannot be inside of other containers: Omnibus, Editor, Non-fiction and Chapbook - you can have only one of those in an entry and it is always the main title. Hope that makes sense. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:07, 16 January 2019 (EST)<br />
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::::I don't know if it's here the case, but it is possible to have NONFICTION inside of an OMNIBUS, see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?502072 this example], which omnibuses three previous books on Kafka. It is very seldom, though. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:00, 16 January 2019 (EST)<br />
::::: True. Omnibus Pubs can be a bit weird. And as we record box sets as omnibus editions as well, it can come from there as well I guess. But it still is a good rule to pay attention when having those as contents I think. :) Not the case here though. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:45, 16 January 2019 (EST)<br />
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The thing is I'm not 100% sure it's non-fiction at all. From what I read about the author (at www.godine.com/book/baffle-book/) it sounds like the stories were all fictional. I just can't say for sure with this story. Thanks anyways. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 03:18, 16 January 2019 (EST)<br />
: In which case it should have been changed from essay to short fiction. You were changing it from essay to non-fiction. Thus my explanations :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:45, 16 January 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Moonlight-Starlight vs Moonlight—Starlight ==<br />
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Hi, 'no longer a variant', but what now is the relation between [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1061687 Moonlight-Starlight] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?896362 Moonlight—Starlight]?--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 08:06, 31 January 2019 (EST)<br />
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: There shouldn't have been a variant in the first place. It had been listed incorrectly as Moonlight, Starlight for the one book. I fixed that (after checking the book Ladies of Horror?) and added the original publication date, so there should only be 1 entry. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 08:37, 31 January 2019 (EST)<br />
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:: When fixing, take care that hyphens (-) are not em-dashes (—, alt-0151).--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 09:44, 31 January 2019 (EST)<br />
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Okay, thanks. I got tripped up on that a little while ago. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 05:51, 1 February 2019 (EST)<br />
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== ''Satanism and Witchcraft'' ==<br />
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Hello, I have put your submission for this on hold: this seems to be more of a NONFICTION than an ANTHOLOGY, with only three - very short - pieces of fiction enclosed. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:28, 27 February 2019 (EST)<br />
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If it can be put in as nonfiction with the 3 fictional pieces, that's fine. I didn't realize there was so little fiction until I started researching the pieces. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 19:54, 27 February 2019 (EST)<br />
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:Well, things like that do happen: I'll approve of the submission and change to nonfiction. <br />
:The title does appear different on the cover ('Satanism and Witches') and the ISBN seems to be inavlid. Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:18, 28 February 2019 (EST)<br />
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Oops, your're right. I'll adjust the title & put spaces in the ISBN. Thanks for pointing that out the title. I saw the ISBN pop up as bad so I'll put spaces in.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 04:50, 28 February 2019 (EST)<br />
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:: It seems that this has nothing to do with the spaces inserted since the system usually has no problems in sorting things out; instead, this really appears to be stated so in the book, which happens from time to time. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:39, 28 February 2019 (EST)<br />
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== J. L. Harbour ==<br />
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Oops, that misfired. By changing the title record for Jefferson Lee Harbour to J. L. Harbour, Jefferson Lee Harbour had no titles/publications anymore and was automatically removed from the database. Next time please enter the variant publication (or edit the publication, not the title) and variant the new (or changed) entry to the existing title.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 05:07, 6 March 2019 (EST)<br />
:Sorry about that. You're right, should have left the name alone.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 05:22, 6 March 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Secondary sources ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted your changes to {{P|364742|The Best Ghost Stories 1800-1849}}, but when we incorporate information from secondary sources into our records, we document those sources. So I added a general "and from Google Books" to the pub notes. Feel free to change, embellish, add a link, or whatever. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 06:54, 21 March 2019 (EDT)<br />
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Oops. Meant to add the Google Books part. Thanks for the catch.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 06:58, 21 March 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== James Isham, born Holborn 1716 ==<br />
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Hi, You were right to have James Isham born in the Kingdom of Great Britain. You were wrong though in placing Holborn IN London in 1716. Up till the formation of the County of London in 1900 Holborn was in Middlesex. London used to be far smaller than it is today...--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 08:44, 4 April 2019 (EDT)<br />
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Thanks! I just put down what Wikipedia said, which can be confusing. I check the year whether to put down UK or Kingdom of Great Britain, guess I have to see about London too! It's the same with some of the Scottish & Welsh counties when trying to figure out which names to use. At least it's a bit easier than figuring out some of the European duchies. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 23:43, 4 April 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Good Bowling and Card Playing ==<br />
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I'm holding your edit to unvariant {{T|2542203|Good Bowling and Card Playing}}. Your comment is "I thought I could make this a translation of a variant. Oops." You are correct that you cannot do that. But are you saying it is not a translation of "Von einem der auszog, das Fürchten zu lernen"? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:09, 20 April 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:It's a translation of the original version from the 1812 first edition. The German title is listed as a variant to "Von einem der auszog.das Furchten zu lernen". [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 03:38, 21 April 2019 (EDT)<br />
::Then the translation variant is correct. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:41, 21 April 2019 (EDT)<br />
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Okay. It gets confusing with the Grimms sometimes as most people don't realize most translations are from the final edition, not the first. The prince in the original Briar Rose wasn't so charming![[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 06:16, 22 April 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Thanks ==<br />
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"Big thanks to whoever varianted the Afanasyev (in Cyrillic) tales in Zipes' The Golden Age of Folk & Fairy and the Straparola tales in Zipes' The Great Fairy Tradition. Really appreciate it." You're welcome.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 10:03, 30 April 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Typo? ==<br />
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I approved your edit to add further contents for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?715347 Fearless Girls...], but maybe your fingers were moving too fast when you typed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2561104 this]... or is it genuinely titled that way? ;) [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 05:41, 23 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:All the titles are are from the Internet Archive & Google Books' copies of the anthology. I double-checked some titles with the original books listed. Is there a certain title I might have goofed? I do tend to type fast & the spellcheck on my tablet only work when it wants to (& it's a newish tablet!).[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 05:53, 23 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
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::It's either "For Further Reading" or "For Furthing Reader". Your call. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 06:29, 23 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:::Oops. It's 'For Further Reading". Thanks for letting me know.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 06:53, 23 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
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::::Thanks. Just a quick point of order: when replying to comments it's customary to add a colon at the start of the first comment, 2 colons at the start of the second, etc. It generally helps to 'stack' to comments. If you click edit for this talk you can see how it's done. Cheers. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 21:06, 23 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Variant of Nothing ==<br />
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I rejected a submission of yours, not understanding what was going on. My mistake. Please resubmit. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 11:43, 31 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:No problem, I should have been clearer. Thanks.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 03:36, 1 June 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== A Night Adventure in the Alleghanies ==<br />
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I'm going to reject your edit to "[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2328528 A Night Adventure in the Alleghanies]". The problem is that by changing the author credit on that title record, you'll be changing the title as it appears in the July 1835 issue of ''The American Monthly Magazine'' which should remain as uncredited. You can verify this through the Google books [https://books.google.com/books?id=-1hFAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q=Alleghanies&f=false link] which is in the magazine publication record. What you should instead do here, is make the existing title into a variant of a new title under Hoffman's name. I'll hold your edit for now so that you can copy your notes to the new variant record. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:33, 5 June 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:Ok. Will do. Have to break the variant for A Terrible Night.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 06:45, 5 June 2019 (EDT)<br />
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::Breaking the existing variant is not needed. The software will take care of that for you when you make a variant of the exiting parent title. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:17, 5 June 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Ghosts and Spirits of Many Lands ==<br />
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You primary-verified this title: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?675790. I have submitted a cover and info on illustrator. [[User:Hifrommike65|Hifrommike65]] 23:36, 1 July 2019 (CDT)<br />
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:Thank you very much. I haven't been able to figure out how to add cover pics yet.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 03:20, 20 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:: Which part do you need help with - how to upload a picture or how to add a coverart title? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:57, 20 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Foreward (The Complete Fairy Tales and Stories) ==<br />
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Does {{P|658434|The Complete Fairy Tales and Stories}} actually use "Foreward" (vs "Foreword") or is that a database typo? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:15, 11 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:Oops, my mistake. I have no idea why I put a instead of o. I checked my copy of the book in question & it's definitely foreword. I'll correct that. Thanks for pointing that out![[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 02:11, 14 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Anancy an Common-Sense ==<br />
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Are you sure about this title (in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4387279 this update]? Either I am half asleep, or the English just does not make sense (or both...) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:19, 5 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:It is. It was written in Jamaican patois originally. I prefer the version in regular English. It's like the original Uncle Remus stories, hard to make out the dialect sometimes.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 03:25, 5 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
:: Jamaican patois - that makes sense. Now knowing what I am looking at, I can see it. Kinda. :) May want to add a note after I approve it.<br />
:: On a separate note, when you have a chance, can you look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/find_pub_dups.cgi?414868 these duplicates] and see if anything can be merged? As you seem to know more about Fairy Tales than most editors, you may have a chance in seeing something valid. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:31, 5 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:::Sure. Fairy and Folktales is one on of my obsessions, and if I ever move out of my Mom's house I'll need a wall just for the books I've collected the last 20 years (besides the 1000 other books I have!). Anyways be glad to see what I can do.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 03:39, 5 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:::: I grew up with the Russian and Bulgarian Fairy Tales (with a heavy sprinkling of other Eastern and Central European ones) plus the more popular ones from the Western (and Eastern) cannons. Had been catching up on some less popular in the years since. I wish someone was translating more into English (Alexander Afanasyev's complete set from Russian, Raynov's Bulgarian ones and so on)... oh well. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:53, 5 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:::::I haven't heard of Raynov, but I know there aren't a lot of translations of Bulgarian folk tales. I know Karel Erben had a few in his 19th century anthology (some translated into English by A.H. Wratislaw & all by W.W. Strickland). Another is A Gift from the Heart by Radost Pridham. Apparently there's a translation of Raynov (as Rainov) on Amazon, but the cover is in Cyrillic so I'm not sure.<br />
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:::::: Rainov is how the name used to be spelled when we followed the French rules for transliteration (my name has the same letter so my first passport had a different name than any subsequent one)... :) Cyrillic transliterations can be a lot of fun that way - and don't get me started in the Germans and their ideas of how to spell these names. There is indeed a translation from 1916 of some of his fairy tales - nowhere near all of them. Maybe I should do some digging and find out what actually had been translated in the last few decades. Pridham's book has a handful of stories as well... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:23, 5 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) Talking about Russian Fairy Tales, apparently there is a translation of Afanasyev's complete set ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?486507 volume I] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?534341 volume II] (University Press of Mississippi0). A surprising place to find them but now I want to find these to see the translations. Oh well - falling down rabbit holes again... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:13, 6 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Fairy and Wonder Tales ==<br />
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So... what is the chance that the story "La Tabatière" is in French in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?674974 these three]? I think that when you (or someone else - I suspect you being Fairy tales and all) figured out the original, the wrong title was edited by mistake and it was noticed. What do you think? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:23, 5 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:I had corrected the title, how the Fairy and Wonder Tales Book ended up with the French title sustituted is anyones guess. I have submitted a correction & deletion for 1 copy, do the other 2 books need to be done the same or can they be cloned or something? I can do them no problem just wondering.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 05:03, 6 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
:: Easiest way: Remove the French one from all 3, add an English one to one of the three, import the newly created into the other 2 and at some point variant. Or add to all 3 and then merge instead of add and import. Clone works only on new books. I can do it in the morning if you want me to? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:10, 6 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:::Okay great. Thank you.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 05:11, 6 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
:::: If you can give me the story name in English as used in that edition, it will save me some digging. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:14, 6 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:::::It's 'The Snuff-box' or 'The Snuffbox' & I have it listed as by Sébillot (in error). This translation was first published in Andrew Lang's The Green Fairy Book but I think it was accidentally credited to Sebillot as he probably sent it to Lang. The French volume it came from was from a series Sebillot helped create. It was only by accident I found the original as it was re-translated by Frederick Martens in a 1923 book & he had wonderful notes. I wish Lang had been more careful. I'm still not sure where The Half-Chick came from. I found other mistakes when I went over his Fairy Books last year.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 05:43, 6 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: I see that someone fixed all that while I was asleep so all looks good. Now if you can find me the translator for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2608787 new title], that would be even better :) <br />
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:::::: As for Lang - considering what he was dealing with, I usually surprised that he did not make even more mistakes. :)[[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:10, 6 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::It's the version from The Green Fairy Book which just lists the women who did the translations & doesn't say who did what. By the way I noticed on Google Books a 2-volume collection of Afanasiev that's suppose to have all or most of his stories, translated by Jack Haney. I like the cover with a fox riding a disguised wolf.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 04:48, 7 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Translators reminder ==<br />
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When adding the translators, can you please use the Tr template - see what I did [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2409709 here]?. You need to press edit to see the template - when you just look at the screen, it shows up as resolved :) I will fix the ones now in the queue but if you can use that going forward, it will be greatly appreciated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:09, 11 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:I ususally do, sorry if I goofed. As for the person who put in the Libravox edition, is that a book or a sound recording? I know that most editions of the book follow the original which has no authors listed on the contents page but after (most) of the stories & in the the preface. Just trying to remove some of the duplicates.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 01:29, 12 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:: Yeah, the next one actually had the template :) Sorry - should have looked - I tend to just correct when it happens once in a while. <br />
:: The Librivox edition is an audio version of the story/book. These are eligible as long as they are a straight reading and not a dramatization - books on tape, audible, old vinyl, whatever - as long as someone is reading the words as written, it is in. They are public domain (both the stories and the recordings) - so you can listen to them or to parts of them if that will help you figure out which version it is. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:35, 12 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:::It's Andrew Lang's The Blue Fairy Book, so I'm sure it's the same version as the original book & the reprint I own.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 01:53, 12 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Why the Sea Is Salt ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4397826 This] will change the authors in a verified book - and the PV is active. Can you please clear it with him first? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:13, 11 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
: Ended up pinging the PV for the 3 that he has verified - give us a day or 2 to clear it through the system and if he is ok with the change, I will approve. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:17, 11 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== The Talking Tree: Fairy Tales from 15 Lands ==<br />
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Hi, none of the stories in 'The Talking Tree: Fairy Tales from 15 Lands' is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2599362 credited in the book itself], you have to variant the titles to the original.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 05:49, 12 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:Okay. I just thought as the copyright page listed the Martens' translations & Fairy Tales from India (which I can't get a copy of) I could at least do those. Can I at least add the translators?[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 06:01, 12 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:: You can add translators as -hopefully- given in the sources: "The Talking Tree: Fairy Tales from 15 Lands: Anthology of fairy tales, most previously published in the 1920s by Lippincott's anthologists Herman C. Martens (The Swedish Fairy Book, The Norwegian Fairy Book, The Chinese Fairy Book and The Danish Fairy Book) and Walter Pyle (Fairy Tales from India)".--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 20:22, 12 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:::I'll correct the editors lsited. Frederick H. Martens (not Herman C.) was the translator for the Scandinavian & Chinese Fairy Books from the German of Clara Stroebe (the 3 Scandinavian) & Richard Wilhelm (Chinese). Fairy Tales from India, from what I can find online, was edited & illustrated by Katharine Pyle (her son Walter holding the copyright in 1955). The stories might be from Mary Frere's Old Deccan Days, but may have been rewritten. Unfortuntely there isn't a copy available for me to check. All the other stories (though not listed on copyright page) I can verify came from the Fairy Books published by Frederick A. Stokes. I know some of these books have been reprinted or partially reprinted by Dover Books. I need to get some of them for my collection someday.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 04:59, 13 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Valery Carrick ==<br />
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Approved your update but massaged it a bit - added his actual legal name in Russia (in Cyrillic), replaced the Norwegian link with the native Russian one and fixed his birth place - Russia is one of the countries that changed names a few times in its history and we credit based on the birth date :) Thanks for adding the details! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:02, 27 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
No, thank you. I didn't see a Russian link & his birthplace I didn't look too closely for once. I usually a lot of digging for correct (for the time) birthplace so I really appreciate the help.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 03:15, 27 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
:: I know you do - so decided to let you know after changing the data. I just know the Russian country name changes (and I cheat a bit - I keep them on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Anniemod/projects#Naming_conventions.2FRussia my profile page]) and I know of Carrick (he has awesome illustrated fairy tales - I am contemplating adding them actually...). Feel free to reach out if you cannot find something about any Eastern European author - or if you cannot find the weird spelling of their names - I may not always be able to help but I can search in a few more languages. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:25, 27 September 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:::That's awesome, thanks. Carrick was a really great illustrator-I read a few of his tales as a kid in the revised Vol.1 of Junior Classics, I have to add that book somtime. Poor Mr. Bun.<br />
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== Just One More ==<br />
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I'm holding your submission of ''Just One More''. I believe it is [https://archive.org/details/justonemore00hard this book]? Since it is "checked out" I can only see parts of it. However, the title page says "Selected and retold by Jeanne B. Hardendorff". The ToC does not list an authors. So:<br />
#Are these retellings or translations? IF retellings they should be credited to Hardendorff.<br />
#If they are translations, are the original authors specified? If not, they should be entered as uncredited.<br />
Also since you are basing you verification of the scanned copy, you should be stating that in the publication notes. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:04, 3 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:The sources are listed at the back & some are given at the front with the acknowledgements. I know it says 'retold' but except for the 'Thirty-two Teeth' in which the characters were changed to an Irishman & Welshman from a Syrian Philosopher & an Armenian, most of the stories so far are mainly slightly abridged or have the odd word changed. I guess I should have put most of them as 'uncredited' as the book credits mostly to K.D. Wiggin & N.A. Smith's 'Tales of Laughter' or 'An Argosy of Fables'. When I see 'retold' I always check against the original if possible to see to what extent. Usually it's just editing. Hardendorff actually notes if she did anything with the story in the back.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 03:37, 4 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
::I approved the edit, but please make the necessary changes to show the credits as per the publication. You should also add a note explaining that while the title page says "retold" these are closer to translations than retellings (for future reference). Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:32, 4 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:::Okay. Thank you.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 05:37, 5 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== The Fairy Ring ==<br />
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I approved your submission for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?738451 The Fairy Ring]. Note you misspelled Wiggins' name in the contents, and there are unrecognized HTML tag(s) in the notes section that you should address. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 12:41, 11 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
: 1. Note there are 63 stories, only 34 with previous publisher or author acknowledged (see the anthology title Note).<br />
: 2. '''Before''' you add many Contents by {{a|Nora Archibald Smith}} (and complete that work), '''I propose that we make that full name canonical instead of Nora A. Smith'''; that is, exchange the current canonical name and pseudonym.<br />
: 3. Just now I submitted the second volume in KDW & NAS fairy tale anthology series, ''Magic Casements'' (1907), lacking the similar title Note, which must say this essentially:<br />
* Acknowledgments identify 18 stories as previously published. McClure acknowledges the named publishers of 18 listed stories.<br />
* Previously published versions of the other stories (25?) are not indicated, and the preface by Kate Douglas Wiggin does not describe the contribution of the editors. <br />
: That is a draft by routine modification of the Fairy Ring title Note (mine from a few days ago).<br />
: I expect to add the third and fourth anthologies, too; not necessarily add stories myself. <br />
: 4. Later I will suggest moving detail notes on the stories from publication records to the anthology title record (below {BREAK}), or preferably to one Wiki page that will need to be linked manually from the publication Note. Well, there I have suggested it, but I will provide more explanation if necessary. <br />
: Now I must run. I noticed you have added the 1909 publication, only in writing to [[User talk:Dirk P Broer#Fairy tales anthologies/collections]] on my way out the door. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:20, 11 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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::I noticed the misspelled name & HTML errors when I submitted. Will correct. <u>Making Nora Archibald Smith the canonical is a great idea, I can take care of that if you like.</u> [Yes please! --Pwendt] I know the acknowledgements only mentioned a few sources (& got 2 wrong), will mention add comment about uncredited sources. I spent last nite checking the stories against different publications to make sure I had the right translations/source materials before submission. I will move the detail notes to the anthology page after I'm finished adding the stories. I can add the stories of the other Wiggin/Smith fairy books (+ the Talking Beasts anthology) if you like. Thank you very much for your help & suggestions.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 06:36, 12 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
::: I plan to add the five Library of Fairy Literature works (all anthologies probably, but I have not confirmed) and their first editions, with publication info that I find in library records and contemporary newspapers; no story Contents (only introduction, illustrations, etc). Given you are at hand to continue, I plan to submit all three today (or submit two and ask whether Talking Beasts qualifies).<br />
::: My suggestion about where to locate detail information about the stories, such as your notes in the 1909 publication record, is based on plan that multiple publications will be in the database, and I believe ISFDB should avoid repetition of big blocks of Notes in multiple records. Of course, one publication record may link to another publication record that contains such a block of Notes, rather than copy-paste them.<br />
::: Anyway, for this series I will add some later publications myself, including the available Project Gutenberg ebooks (all except #2 Magic Casements), and presumably the Gutenberg source editions where those are not the first editions. This week, not today. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:13, 12 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
::: I submitted Nora Archibald Smith replication of all Nora A. Smith data [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4433880]. Please go ahead with the rest of that operation. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:26, 12 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:::: I am transferring all (story) title data from the publication record of <i>The Fairy Ring</i> to the title record of the stories within the publication. I am only left with this line: "'The Golden Bird', 'The Doll in the Grass' and "The Ram and the Pig' by Asbjornsen & Moe are from Fairy Tales from the Far North (1897). Translated by H. L. Braekstad. The last tale is listed under the wrong title & source in the acknowledgements.", as I can't find that in the acknowledgments at all -not any of these three stories, for that sake.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 20:51, 12 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:::::The acknowledgements list 'The Sheep and the Pig' from <i>Tales from the Fjeld'</i>, but that's not the title in the book. I compared Dasent's & Braekstad's translations with the 1 in <i>The Fairy Ring</i> & it's the latter from <i>Fairy Tales from the Far North</i>. I know Braekstad's book isn't listed in the acknowledgements, was going to list is under sources not listed in the acknowledgements. I was going to list the other Benjamin Thorpe story under that too. I'll probably find a few more not like that. I really hate it when the source books aren't listed, takes up a lot of time tracing stuff. That is if I can. There's still a few tales in Andrew Lang's Fairy Books I still haven't found & I've been looking for over a year.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 02:22, 13 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: I personally hate to see the note field of this publication being cluttered up with information about all 65 stories, while those stories -click on them!- have note fields of their own, with far more room for relevant information. And exactly <i>where</i> is the 'acknowledgements' you mention? Do you mean the untitled note from the publisher?--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 07:34, 13 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::It's the list of permissions on page V. <i>Tales from the Fjeld</i> is listed under G.P. Putnam. If you think it's better to delete this info & maybe just note mistakes that's fine with me.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 09:12, 13 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::: That information is to be put on the right level. Info that concerns all publications should be in the note field of the title, info such as translators or original collections used for the translation should be entered on the level of the story title, *NOT* at publication level. In the note field of the publication should be entered that which the particular publication makes different from other publications of the same title, such as added/ommitted stories, essays, forewords and/or illustrations. The information about <i>Tales from the Fjeld</i> should therefore be entered at story title level (and in the yet to be entered <i>Tales from the Fjeld</i> itself).--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 12:36, 13 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
:::::::: You should look at the 1906 and 1907 editions, that's the kind of info that is to be entered at the notes field at publication-level. I transferred your info to the Anthology's Title-level and the respective Story-levels.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 14:07, 13 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::I would have entered the info from the earliest editions if I could access them, but the 1909 edition is the earliest I can go through (& HathiTrust Digital Library has the 1909 edition listed as 1906 in its' records). I didn't know there was a 1907 edition.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 01:45, 14 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::: No, no, no, do not enter so much information in a single edition's note field! Put the info that will hold true for all editions in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2628264 title record] of -in this case- the anthology, and put into the publication record what makes the publication different from others -e.g. note that the 1931 and 1934 edition have 'Master Tobacco' at the right place, but are illustrated as in contrast to the original editions. The 1967 edition (not yet entered) differs drastically and may combine titles form others books in the same series, it also has an additional editor and will have to be varianted. <br />
::::::::::So to put short: enter info at the right level, so it can be accessed from every present and future publication under the same title, and not in a single publication record.<br />
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:::::::::: Another point is the source "The Fairy Book (1863) by Miss Mulock". It appears that the stories in this book have not only been translated by an unknown hand, but that the stories are also shortened consideraby. We may have to variant against Dinah Maria Mulock Craik, instead of the original.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 05:29, 14 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::::: It is beginning to appear that the publishers have compared the TOC with a list of titles that they, or their competitors, once published -without checking whether it was indeed the very same story that was printed in their printing....--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 06:30, 16 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::::::That's possible. I found a few other mistakes that made me laugh, like having a Russian tale grouped with the East Indian tales. I was looking at the contents of the other 3 books in the Wiggin/Smith series & just scratched my head at how some books are no longer credited or are now mentioned while there's still plenty of tales I'm going to have to dig for. I'm taking a break to do something else before tackling 'Magic Casements'. As for 'The White Cat', Mulock is kind of notorious for gutting stories to make them more respectable. Even mentions that in the Encyclopedia of Fantasy. Reminds me of the beginning of a Simpsons Halloween episode, where the censor edits it to a 'TV-G' rating. At least that (& the censor!) didn't last long.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 08:44, 16 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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Momentarily I submit PubUpdate for 1909 ''The Fairy Ring'': correct the roman page count (and notice of one unnumbered page) and expand the Note (in a compromise style). <br />
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Days ago I corrected roman page numbers for 1931 and 1934 printings of the illustrated edition. Eventually the publisher adjusted early roman numerals in this/these ed. to account for the unnumbered Illustrations list. Probably printed pages 3-[445] are identical from 1906 to 1934.<br />
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Are the Contents now complete in the 1909 publication record (not to say all listings finished, but all represented)? I wonder whether it's best to postpone export of story/verse Contents to other publication records until that is done. <br />
--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:26, 17 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:Contents are as complete as I can get them. 4 stories (3 Grimm, 1 d'Aulnoy) I haven't been able to track the source, and I checked over 10 anthologies & 10 Grimm translations . Probably from a book not currently available on Internet Archive, HathiTrust Digital Library or Google Books. I have an idea for the Reinick story's source, but cannot confirm as it is also not available online. So probably safe to export contents. The other books in this series look like they're gonna be just tons of fun. Oh well, I love a challenge.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 22:05, 17 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Tales of Laughter ==<br />
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The number of Tales of Laughter is 141, not 109. Title/publ Notes yet to be corrected re pages/leaves missing from online copies, and I am now "done" for "today" -10-17. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:26, 17 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
: Project Gutenberg used a source for the 1st ed. that is intact, or supplemented its transcript from a copy of another printing --to wit, regarding the Contents list that is incomplete at HathiTrust. <br />
: Some copies of this work at HathiTrust are mis-catalogued or mis-represented in the summary.<br />
: * 1908 McClure<br />
: * 1912 D, Page (mis-summary as 1926, which is quite different)<br />
: 1922 " "<br />
: * 1923 " "<br />
: 1924 " " (mis-cat as 1923)<br />
: 1927 " " (mis-cat as 1908 Grosset & Dunlap)<br />
: *Three digital copies lack images of some pages prior to the stories, p3. <br />
: Good night. I'm overtime. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:49, 17 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
:: Refashion this as a new section ''Tales of Laughter''. I don't mean to say that all 109 or 141 belong in the database. That's not my department. Only report that The McClure Company notes permission to use 56 of 141 by my count. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:55, 17 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:I found out with The Fairy Ring that HathiTrust doesn't always list the right date. I always check the copyright page. Also hate it when what's listed isn't what pops up when you click it (that's happened with Internet Archive). I'm going to work on Magic Casements tonite (I tend to keep vampire hours) but will do my best when I get to it. Some stories were reprinted in a couple of anthologies I've done recently so that saves me a little bit of time.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 22:17, 17 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
::: I have reported corrections to some important ISFDB sources, such as Library of Congress. Not yet any for online digital copies but I will send a few error reports to HathiTrust "soon". I'll try choose at least one where LC links to a mis-matching HDL catalogue record and one where LC links to a matching HDL catalogue record that does not match what HDL provides --and report to both LC and HDL. And later describe the responses that I get, presumably at Community Portal. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:02, 18 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Authors with accents ==<br />
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Unfortunately due to a software limitation, we cannot have the same name with an accent and without an accent. Once the name is created without the accept, the only way to fix it is to ask a moderator to change the canonical name (if the majority of the works have the accent - the rest will need to get a note). I did it for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?301389 Héli Chatelain]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:50, 18 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks. I didn't know about the software problem. I have to change the language on my tablet to do accents, but if I have added more title lines they get erased with the changeover. I'll have to remember to try to get accented stuff listed first. Thanks for letting me know.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 02:40, 18 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
:: If you miss it, just ping me on my page (or post on the Moderator board) and someone will fix it :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:55, 18 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:::Thank you.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 03:04, 18 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== All those source notes ==<br />
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Probably should be added to the Notes of the newly created parents (or old parents). I know, one more edit but you are doing such a good job of tracking down these stories and having them in the stories will be helpful. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:36, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks, will try to do that. The other volume Tales of Laughter was a bit of a nightmare with the lack of sources for so many stories. I got lucky this time with The Iron Casket. Sometimes I get the right combination of names or words for Google Books to give me a clue or the source. & thank goodness for Google Translate as my French & German have gone to pot in the 20 years since high school. As for other languages forget it![[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 03:55, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== The Jackal, the Barber and the Brahmin Who Had Seven Daughters ==<br />
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Hi, why is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/kv_new.cgi?4461878 this submission] a making of a variant, instead of a merge of titles? Nothing in the notes at either record points to differences from the other.--~~<br />
: The good old Oxford comma before the “and” - one has it, the other does not. Punctuation changes make variants. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 10:10, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:: Ah! Completely missed it. Easy to overlook, good catch!--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 04:05, 8 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Lermontov ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2643936 Here] you go. With links to its catalog record in FantLab and to the full text in Russian and notes on subtitles. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:48, 12 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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:Thank you very much.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 22:00, 12 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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:: Just FYI: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4467707 a small change] in the Polish. And I added transliteration to both the story and the legal name of the author :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:08, 12 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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:::Great, thanks. I was trying to copy the title as written in the collection but sometimes my tablet's translator has trouble with old or obsolete words. Sad to see the author died young, seems half the writers of fairy/folktales died before reaching 50.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 22:14, 12 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:::: Polish can also be a challenging language to type or pronounce correctly. So I tend to take second and third looks when working with Polish records. And yeah, working on older records does not help (although unlike some other languages, they never had a real orthographic reform on a large scale - Bulgarian lost a couple of letters as late as 1945 for example so pre-1945 titles are sometimes written differently than what any Bulgarian will tell you. Anyway - feel free to ping me if you need any assistance with the Slavic languages :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:23, 12 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== A Harvest of World Folk Tales ==<br />
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I found two cover images of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?685270 this pub]. First on [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25335941-a-harvest-of-world-folk-tales goodreads] with a price of $3.25 on its cover, second on [https://www.amazon.com/-/de/Harvest-World-Folk-Tales/dp/B000I5470Q Amazon.com] with a price of $4.95 on it. What shows Your verified pub? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 16:08, 16 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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:Actually it's neither. I used a hardcover edition & those 2 are both paperbacks. Thanks anyways.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 04:50, 23 January 2020 (EST)<br />
:: So I found another one [https://www.abebooks.de/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=30151084753 here], assumed without a dust jacket? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 05:20, 1 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:::Yeah, that's the book without the dust jacket. I just found a pic of the hardcover book with dust jacket on Amazon. I'm no good uploading pics so if you can do this that would be awesome. Thanks for the sleuthing. I need to get a copy someday for my personal (& ever growing) library.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 05:59, 1 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::1 pic shows inside the dust jacket & gives a price of $3.95.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 06:04, 1 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Sorry, I forgot about. [https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/619h6Eqg26L.jpg Here] is the right cover image. I submitted these data. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 11:52, 2 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::Thank you.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 01:13, 3 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== From Trunley Alley to Thurnley Alley ==<br />
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Hi, you stated 'Correcting spelling. Verified by Google Books' copy of Monstermen & Other Scary Tale' [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/tv_update.cgi?4558054 here]. I corrected it even further to 'Thurnley Abbey' based upon the Amazon look inside -and the author's other work.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 05:45, 23 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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:Thank you.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 23:24, 29 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Samuel Wesley the Younger ==<br />
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Hi. I have your proposed variant for "The Pig: A Tale" on hold. No objection to the idea, but I have my doubts about using "Samuel Wesley the Younger" as the credit. In the Google Books source you cite, the credit is "Samuel Wesley, Junr." (actually, the full credit in the TOC is "Rev. Samuel Wesley, Junr., M. A."). I think we would make our canonical entry be "Samuel Wesley, Jr." and then make other credits variants to that. The help is explicit about NOT expanding military rank abbreviations and only talks about normalizing suffixes in the context of including the period. It doesn't say anything about normalizing a non-standard suffix such as SENR or JUNR to Sr. or Jr.... --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:27, 17 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I was going to use Jr. until I saw the Wikipedia entry listing him as 'the Younger'. I used the date listed in this entry as the earliest I found (1733-The Gentleman's Magazine) didn't credit any author. Whichever name you think is best is cool with me. Thanks.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 01:43, 18 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::Yeah, I don't think "the Younger" is appropriate here, unless we found an explicit credit using that. I opened an [[Rules_and_standards_discussions#Suffix_normalization.3F|R&S]] discussion about "JUNR" and also what to use for canonical suffixes (if anything). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 09:00, 18 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:::Sorry to have had this on hold for so long. I'm going to change the credit you submitted to use ", Jr." instead of "the Younger", and then I will record that other appearance using ", Junr." so we will have record of that as well. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:32, 2 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::::That's fine. Thank you.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 06:09, 3 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Renee Corbeau ==<br />
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I approved your submission for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2534235 Renee Corbeau] as a variant of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2717801 Histoire de Renee Corbeau]. But there are problems involving the TYPE of the original entry. The one you submitted is given as SHORTFICTION, Short Story, the other as ESSAY, Short Story. An ESSAY cannot be a short story. You need to fix both as either a short story or an essay. It's not clear to me which they should be. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 14:40, 24 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:It should just be listed as an essay, not as a short story. I will correct. I never heard of Corbeau myself until checking this up.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 01:23, 25 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== O vizinho subterrâneo - update or varianting? ==<br />
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Hello. You've submitted a title update [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4634568 here]. Did you intend to variant the Portuguese translation to the Norwegian original, but accidentally updated the record instead? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 10:22, 30 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Oops! Yes I meant to variant. Thank you for catching that. I'll cancel & redo.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 22:37, 30 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Tempestade mágica - wrong author? ==<br />
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Hello, could you have a look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2715528 this title], attributed to Clara Stroebe, which you've varianted to ''Makrelldorg'' [Norwegian] (1866) (by Peter Asbjørnsen). I suspect it is better to update the former title's author to ''Clara Stroebe (in error)''. If I'm correct, could you submit the author update for the Portuguese translation?<br><br />
And while you're at it, could you have a look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1377173 King Dragon] too ? :) - I suspect there, too, the author should be updated to ''Clara Stroebe (in error)'', and varianted to the orignal author, Svend Grundtvig. What do you think? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:00, 30 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:No problem. I think the other King Dragon listing was my boo-boo. I will update to Stroebe (in error). Some day I'll put in her 3 anthologies.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 22:42, 30 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks! Nice work btw ) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 07:58, 1 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Sources (again) ==<br />
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When you have a source for a date or a variant, add it not only into the moderator note but also in the story note -- the way I copied it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1311174 here]. While not with the Edit History everyone can see these notes, a new user of the DB may not know to look there (and we need them visible anyway). Thanks :) <br />
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PS: I caught the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2724218 Упырь] yesterday - I think I fixed all around it but feel free to add more if needed :) Which sent me reading fairy tales for awhile... :)[[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:12, 12 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I keep forgetting about adding the sources, I was on a roll yesterday & just kept going til I nearly fell asleep at my tablet. Thanks for adding the Cyrillic writing. I've been trying to find the sources for three stories 'from the Russian' with no luck. All three were published in The Strand Magazine then in <i>The Ruby Fairy Book</i> with no author or translator listed. If any of these ring a bell let me know, I don't think they're from Afanasiev-Egor (Igor?) and the Raven (version of Marya Morevna), Axim's (Maxim's?) Reward (I think these may be from the same source as they both mention numbered kingdoms like the 100 & 1st or 100 & 13th) and Natalia and the Imp. Not may authors besides Afanasiev, Polevoi & Tolstoy have had there fairy tales translated into English or German (my main sources) so this has been a headache. Any help at all would be appreciated. Thanks[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 08:36, 13 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Can you get me a link to them and I will look through Russian language sources. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:51, 13 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:::All 3 are in Google Books copy of The Strand Magazine-Vol.16.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 13:12, 13 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: Link here in our DB so I do not need to guess which ones :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:41, 13 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:::::I'm sorry, I don't really how to do that. I just went to Google Books typed The Strand with the story title & it pops right up. I hope I'm not wasting your time as The Strand has listed translations under the wrong language (Serbian instead of German for example). I tried Googling the name for the queen in the Egor story (Agraphiana instead of Marya Morevna, but same character) & came up with nothing outside The Strand story. Love the picture of Koschei the Deathless strung up, but he's not named in this version. Neither is Baba Yaga. Thanks for your help.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 22:04, 13 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::::: Our DB :) Like this: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2647536 Prince Egor and the Raven], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2647539 Axim's Reward; or, The Magic Blessing] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2647542 Natalia and the Imp] :) Are these the three stories? I will see what I can do. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:08, 13 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::That's the ones. Thanks.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 22:23, 13 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Moving parents ==<br />
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You do not need to first break a variant with submitting a variant to 0 - just submit the new one and the old one will be dissolved when the new one is approved. It does not matter if the new one is to an existing title or to a new one - it works the same way. The only case you need to break a variant is if the old variant title needs to become a parent :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:50, 2 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::Good to know. Thanks.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 01:54, 2 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Spectre Bride ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4669556 This submission] makes sense only if you want to get the story off William Harrison Ainsworth (in error) page - which considering we do not know who it really is is unneeded. So how about adding notes on the author page that it is unclear who that is, adding the note on the date in the title and leaving it this way until we find out who that is. When we do, we will then create the pseudonym and variant. What do you think? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:28, 2 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
: I have similar thoughts [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4668696 here] -- unless we have a real author to assign to, there is no much point in doing the variant - instead add notes... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:33, 2 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::Actually maybe I should just cancel this & link to the uncredited version already in the database? Silly me forgot all about it, which was dumb as I used it as a source! It's from Gothic Short Stories edited by David Blair. It lists a date of 1822 (probably from Ainsworth's version). Maybe just put date as unknown for that & note might be a translation from the German? I know it's not Ainsworth's as I checked the Pocket Magazine & it's completely different-just same title. Even Wikisource's copy of the story made the same mistake even though they listed the original title Ainsworth had of 'The Baron's Bridal'.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 03:57, 2 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: If we have the uncredited in a book somewhere, then yes - link to it. But no point creating a new one for this. :) Wiki is being populated by volunteers - mistakes happen. That is why I keep asking you to add the sources everywhere - sourced data is less prone to errors and "corrections" downstream. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:00, 2 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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I completely understand. I wish I could log on to Wikipedia just to add the info I've discovered for the Andrew Lang books! In this case it goes to back to erroneous info published by anthologist {{A|Peter Haining}}. If he puts an author to a story, all subsequent researchers seem to copy him. I did work on his Gothic Tales anthologies/reprints & found he made multiple author errors & I'm beginning to think he made some sources up. He's supposed to be an expert-hah! Reminds me of when I worked in an antique mall where an expert on WWII caused trouble by selling what turned out to be fake Nazi memorabilia. Made the store look bad, you'd think someone who wrote books on a subject would actually know there stuff.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 04:11, 2 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Technically noone stops you from logging into wikipedia and editing... As for people writing books when having no clue of their subject - that is why it is called research I guess... But yes, when the material is there for the finding and the specialist ignores it, it is... entertaining. Until you start relying on the information. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:28, 2 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Das Gespensterbuch ==<br />
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Added some more details to your newly added [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?776768 book]. Feel free to check OCLC for more numbers and secondary verify - I just got curious if it is there and as I found it, I added it. Just add the archive link the way I just did when using it as a source :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:42, 2 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I'll check Worldcat for sure. Just discovered I forgot to add the illustrator, so if there's an OLCL number will do both. Thanks for all your help! :) [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 04:02, 2 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== We have a perfectly good import ==<br />
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Just a reminder. :) If you know they are in the DB, you found them and have their IDs so you can easily import them instead of adding them as new titles - so we do not need to merge after that. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 07:36, 3 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Ok. I haven't done that before, would save time. Thanks.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 07:55, 3 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Yup - it helps and cuts down the typos :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:08, 3 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: You can import more than one story at the same time when importing based on story/novel ID :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:37, 6 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::::I wasn't sure about that. I'll try to do that next time. Thanks[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 08:26, 6 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Utopian Tales from Weimar'' change ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted your edits to {{P|372013|Utopian Tales from Weimar}}, but you removed all comments about information source from the notes and only mentioned Google Books in the note to the moderator. I added a citation of that as the source in the pub notes. Please review and adjust. Thanks! --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:01, 7 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Will do.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 08:03, 7 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
::I don't think I deleted anything necessary. I don't believe it was the first edition as a later reprint states it was first published by the University Press of New England in 1989. The Worldcat references were for the source info, but I used the book itself for verification (with help from the later Fairy Tales & Fables from Weimar Days reprinting). If you think there's something I missed, please let me know.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 03:32, 12 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Vampire's Prey ==<br />
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We add the word (excerpt) only if the title of the excerpt is the same as the title of the novel/story it is coming from. So [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?94777 here], we won't - the complete novel is not called "Vampire's Prey". The note you added is exactly how this is handled. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:15, 12 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:The British reprint of the first translation was called Vampire's Prey, I'm pretty sure that's where Peter Haining got it from. His book credits The Hutchinson Co. for permission, though I can't find their printing of Salagar's translation. If you think it's better to leave out (excerpt) that's fine. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 03:23, 12 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Then update the note to explain that... :) Otherwise if I leave it like that, someone will "fix" it again. If the novel was published under the title "Vampire's Prey" at any time, regardless if it was the source or not, then adding the (excerpt) is correct - but that note needs amending to explain that. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:25, 12 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::I've updated the note, hope it's okay now. By the way, found another Russian fairy tale I can't trace. I have an author's name, not that it's helped me much! The story is called Bride of the Wind, author given only as Akhschavoumoff or Akhscharoumoff, in the anthology <i>Wonder-World Stories</i> from 1877. It doesn't say, but I'm sure it was translated from the German or French. Any help would be greatly appreciated.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 07:02, 18 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Et Eventyr fra Regensen ==<br />
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Hello Loviatar! I hold your submission, because I can't figure out why you named the new variant ''Et Eventyr fra Regensen (excerpt)''. Is there a difference to this title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2434236 Et Eventyr fra Regensen]? BTW I admire your investigations. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 11:28, 22 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Hello Rudolf! I actually wasn't sure if I should list it as an extract or abridged. It isn't a complete translation of the original story- it omits the first 7 pages. Whatever you think is best. Thanks for the vote of confidence![[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 02:02, 24 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::I should have mentioned the German translation did the same thing. Probably the English was based on that & not the original Danish, which was a common practice. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 03:04, 24 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:::Thanks for your additional information! I would prefer to list it as ''abridged''. I'll accept it and change the title. You can add your informations in the notes. Thanks! Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 03:42, 26 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::::Will do. Should I variant the German story to the abridged as well? Currently it's linked to the full story. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 03:53, 26 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:::::I've just checked the German translation. It seems that the German text isn't abridged!Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 05:23, 26 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::::::You're right, don't know where I got the idea it was now. Thanks. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 05:34, 26 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Liu An ==<br />
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To answer the question which you asked in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4705619 this submission], unfortunately, there is no way to enter BC dates. It's a core limitation of the database technology that our software uses :-\ The only way to capture pre-1AD dates is to record them in the Note field. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 22:16, 28 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Good to know. Thanks. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 22:20, 28 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Märchen-Schatz ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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You had [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?783682 this one] as "Märchen=Schatz". Based on all I can find, it should be "Märchen-Schatz" instead so I fixed that. If the correction is wrong, please feel free to correct it back. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:49, 29 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:The original 1845 version on Google Books has it as = on the title page, but it it seems to be listed as -. Guess it's one of those marks used in Gothic script that isn't used anymore. Probably should just leave it as -. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 23:05, 29 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Up to you - it looked like a "-" to me -- but as you are verifying, if you think it is "=", we do that :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:48, 30 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Magic Sword and the Magic Bag ==<br />
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Please check the Wikipedia link you added to {{T|2747194|The Magic Sword and the Magic Bag}}. It results in a non-existent page. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:09, 9 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:My mistake. Submitted corrected info-I had accidentally added a 'u' after the 'q' in Xiaoqian. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 05:01, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Foreward ==<br />
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In {{T|2700210|Foreward (Journey to the Moon)}} is the misspelling of foreword original to the publication or a database typo? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:43, 30 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:It's a misspelling on my part. Will correct immediately. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 21:34, 31 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Das unheimliche Buch ==<br />
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Image added to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?779573 this pub]. I guess it fits. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 13:21, 9 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Awesome. Thank you very much. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 01:24, 10 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Irish Fairy Book ==<br />
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If the anthologies are different, they do not get varianted - you just leave them as separate titles. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4765016 Here] you are trying to create a parent that is exactly like the variant. What exactly are you trying to do? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:09, 19 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Okay, thank you. Wasn't sure what to do as it seems both copies may have came out in 1909, and neither has a date listed inside. I guess if it's different publishers it won't make much of a difference. At least the British edition I know for sure came out in 1909 as I've found advertising listing it. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 04:21, 19 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Add a note on the title level of both with the number of stories in each and a "PLEASE DO NOT MERGE" in it. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:25, 19 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:::Will do, but I'm just adding the T. Fisher Unwin edition for now. I am adding the info on stories as well as a couple of differences in author credits. What about the price? I don't think I can list 6 shillings so do I convert it to L2.40? [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 04:56, 19 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: Nope. Read [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Price the UK part here] - it explains how to add prices in shilling. 6/- is the correct way to specify a price of 6 shilling. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:20, 19 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:::::Awesome! Thank you. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 05:28, 19 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Apple of Contentment ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4777375 this edit]: Variants are for the same work under a different credit (title and/or author). They are not for variations in the work itself. So either these are:<br />
#different enough they should be separate records or <br />
#the differences are minor enough that they should be merged and a title note used to indicate the differences.<br />
Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:36, 30 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I'm never really sure about these, just goibg by editor's note. Lines' stated she updated some language-should t be merged then & I add a note to the book? [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 08:43, 1 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Using the Internet Archive, I compared the versions in ''Tales of Magic and Enchantment'', ''The Oxford Book of Modern Fairy Tales'', and ''American Fairy Tales: From Rip Van Winkle to the Rootabaga Stories''. They are the same. I merged the two records and updated the notes. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:01, 1 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:::Okay, thank you. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 09:13, 1 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The House of the Nightmare: and Other Eerie Tales ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4777474 this edit]: The ISFDB is about speculative fiction. "True" ghost stories are non-genre. That is why they are not listed in the database (as is mentioned in the pub notes). That said, true ghost stories can sometimes be borderline fiction. For example, your moderator note states "'Here I Am Again!' is from Lord Halifax's Ghost Book". However, the contents of {{P|286155|Lord Halifax's Ghost Book}} are entered as fiction. So is this a fictional re-telling or non-fiction? You also mention "1 of them was already listed in the database under a variant title". Which one is that? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:29, 30 September 2020 (ED) <br />
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:It's the same title. 'Here I Am Again' is listed under Halifax's name as 'Haunted Rooms: 'Here I Am Again'-Charles G.S.-esq. being the person who submitted it to him. Lord Halifax's book is supposed to be a collection of real stories, that's why I don't know the reason for listing it as fiction. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 08:54, 1 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::Sorry for the delay on this. As the proposed additions are non-genre, I have rejected the submission. I have started a [[Rules_and_standards_discussions#Lord_Halifax.27s_Ghost_Stories|rules and standards discussion]] about our handling of Halifax's stories. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:24, 17 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Can you confirm... ==<br />
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Can you confirm that {{P|648537|Victorian Ghost Stories}} has [http://www.lesedwards.com/galleries/horror/victorian-ghost-stories/1080 THIS cover] ? [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 17:30, 30 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Unfortunately, that's a later edition. Mine has a white ghost on the cover. There are several pics on Google Images of this one. Thanks for trying to get a pic, I haven't been able to learn how to upload yet. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 08:40, 1 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
::I added the cover image from Amazon. It matches your description and is for that ISBN. But if Amazon has it wrong, let me know and I can remove. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:44, 1 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:::That's the one. Thanks. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 08:55, 1 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::Is Les Edwards credited for the cover in this book? Or is that a database error? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:08, 1 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:::::Les Edwards is correct. My copy credits him for the cover image on the copyright page. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 09:16, 1 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I did some digging. The art on Edward's site is for the cover of 1996/1997 version which we did not have in the database. I have added those publications which also had interior art by Edwards. When Usborne re-issued them in the 2002+, they used different artwork and interior art. It's possible that the art was by someone else and they left Edward's name on by mistake. I added a title note about that. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:49, 1 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Kingsley Fairbridge ==<br />
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Are you going to add any publications which credit Kingsley Fairbridge? If not, we would leave the {{A|Mr. Fairbridge}} titles where they are and just update the author record with the correct name & biographic information. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:51, 1 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Oops! I got carried away after finally confirming this author. Will delete submissions & just update author entry & link title credited to Charles Aken Fairbridge to canonical. I wish Andrew Lang had given the author's full name, would have saved a lot of time. Still trying to verify Mr. Cripps. I think it's Arthur Shearly Cripps but haven't been able to link story to him. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 18:33, 1 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Mi hermana Antonia ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4814886 this submission]: The parent you created has a date of 1833. But per the author record, del Valle-Inclán was born in 1866. That means something is not correct. Can you please double check? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:19, 7 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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: Thanks for letting me know. Totally missed that. The book I used for reference makes that mistake repeatedly. Found correct publication date on Spanish Wikipedia, will change. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 04:08, 8 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== 1979 stories in 1961 book? ==<br />
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Hi, Why do you enter [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/pv_update.cgi?4923886 so many 1979 stories in a 1961 publication]? Looks like lots of extra work to get it right to me.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 10:35, 27 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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I know. Unfortunately some of the reference books I was using gave the date of the 2nd edition as the publication date and I know occasionally Google Books has the wrong date. I should have changed before submitting but forgot. I have to add some page numbers, correct an author's name & add a couple of authors so I can fix it while I'm doing all that. I wish the entire collection had been translated, will variant to original Chinese title. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 05:54, 28 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Dedalus Book of Finnish Fantasy ==<br />
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So... you dropped the only source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4934380 this book]. Which should never happen UNLESS you are verifying. If you are, please say so in the notes. If you are not (and it sounds like that), we need a statement of sources. I added "Data from Amazon.com, Archive.org and the Locus index" based on your moderator note. Feel free to add more of them if you have any. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:31, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Sorry about that. I was verifying from the Internet Archive copy.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 05:50, 13 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: I meant Verifying as in primary verifying. :) No worries . :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 06:07, 13 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:::No, just going thru the book on Internet Archive & using the Locusmag entry to figure out what type of short fiction the titles are. I know very little about Finnish literature so this is fun.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 06:16, 13 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: Understood. I was clarifying what I meant above with verified (aka when dropping sources is ok). Thanks for working on these. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:49, 13 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:::::No problem. Appreciate all input. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 18:36, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Dating of excerpts ==<br />
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We date based on when the excerpt was first published in this exact form on its own, not the full work date. So [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2671094 this] remains in 2015 but we can add a note that the original is from 1902 (which I just did). If it needs a separate title record, it needs its own date basically :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:48, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Of course. I usually do that, but sometimes I'm not sure and go by the what the book says. I'll try to be more mindful. Thanks. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 04:15, 20 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: No worries. You are usually very good with dating so when one slips, I stop by to make sure there is nothing missing from the record. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:34, 20 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Length mismatch ==<br />
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When you are making variants, if you see a "Length mismatch" warning, that means that either the two stories are not the same length (and need untangling) or one of them is just "short fiction" and should be manually set to the length of the other one (short story, novella, novelette). I had been approving and fixing the ones in the last batch but when you see the yellow warning, please submit an update of whichever of the stories (parent or variant) that needs the adjustment. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:47, 29 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Sorry about that. I just linked the stories in this instance, when I put in the story length I usually check the original or what the FictionMags/ Locusmag websites list for that particular book. I'll try to pay more attention in the future. Thanks. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 23:42, 30 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: No worries and thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:48, 31 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?369354 Fairy-Tales from France] ==<br />
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Hi, I just read the essay [https://www.ebay.com/c/173284003 "For Those who Love Fairy Stories"] and I think that the story credits ought to go to the original authors, as they are mentioned in the essay together with their stories. Also note the hyphen between 'Fairy' and 'Tales', also viewable [https://openlibrary.org/books/OL22477191M/Fairy-tales_from_France here].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 08:52, 1 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:I hadn't noticed the hyphen as I didn't originally add this title. Just to verify, did you want the English titles changed from Larned to Perrault, d'Aulnoy & Beaumont? I'd be happy to do that. As Dumas wasn't mentioned (though I know it's his story) I'd list as uncredited. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 03:01, 2 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Yes, please do so, otherwise we'll be swamped in 'William Trowbridge Larned (in error)' soon.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 20:55, 22 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::Will do. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 06:53, 24 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Floating Clouds, Floating Dreams: Favorite Asian Folktales'' ==<br />
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Added a cover scan to your verified pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?682549 Floating Clouds, Floating Dreams: Favorite Asian Folktales], and modified the punctuation in the Notes. Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 02:59, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Looks great. Thank you.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 03:14, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Queen of the Fays and Other Marvelous Tales ==<br />
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I have approved your "Make Variant Title" submissions related to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2453925 ''The Queen of the Fays and Other Marvelous Tales'']. Since you have access to the electronic edition of the book, would it be possible to check how the last 7 stories are credited? Our "tp" publication record [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?688722 currently lists as them "as by unknown"]. TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:48, 12 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Both the Amazon Kindle edition & Black Coat Press' website list them as unknown. Brian Stableford's introduction goes into detail about the authorship of the stories. They're listed as by de Mailly (as part of the collection Nouveau contes de fées) in his Wikipedia entry among other sources but they might have not been written him or even by one person. So they're by 'unknown' as per the book but I variant to de Mailly. I've really learned a lot of history doing research.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 01:57, 13 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Ah, I see. Thanks for the clarification!<br />
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:: Could you please clarify what the title pages say? As per [[Template:PublicationFields:Author]]:<br />
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::* ''Anonymous or uncredited works''. If a work is credited to "Anonymous", then put "Anonymous" in the author field. The same applies for any obviously similar pseudonym, such as "Noname". If the work is not credited at all, use "uncredited". '''If you are working from a secondary source which does not specify the author, but does not explicitly state that no author is credited in the publication, use "unknown" rather than "uncredited". The intent is that the ISFDB record should reflect what is stated in the publication''' [emphasis added]. This applies to editorship of anthologies that are not credited. If there is a publicly available source which identifies the publication's author/editor, the publication's main title record will be later turned into a variant title using the author/editor's canonical name.<br />
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:: Based on the above, "unknown" is only used if:<br />
::* that's what stated at the top of each story's title page, or<br />
::* we don't know what's stated in the actual publication and have to rely on secondary sources like other bibliographies, catalog entries, reviews, etc.<br />
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:: In this case, these rules mean that we will only want to use "unknown" if it says "unknown" on the affected title pages. If, on the other hand, no author name is stated, we will want to use "uncredited". We will then update all of the affected parent records and explain that although the work is usually attributed to {{A|Jean de Mailly}}, there is some doubt as to its authorship as explained in Brian Stableford's introduction to ''The Queen of the Fays and Other Marvelous Tales''.<br />
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:: Does this make sense? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:08, 13 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::It does. Black Coat Press' website & the Amazon Kindle edition both only state the stories are from the Nouveau contes de fees. The website does list The Flying Ship as by unknown in Tales of Enchantment and Disenchantment, that's why I went by that. If you think they should be listed as Anonymous instead, I'll change. As for the de Mailly attribution, except for one story that was proved to be by Comtesse de Murat, the stories are still listed as by de Mailly today (I found a 2000 edition of Le Prince Arc-en-ciel on Google Books as by de Mailly). Again though I'll change the listing to what you think is best. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 01:44, 15 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Thanks for the clarification! I have updated the variant title records to use "uncredited", our standard for stories without an author credit. I have also added notes to their parent records to indicate that the authorship is uncertain. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:58, 15 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Out of curiosity, why do you use the name of the Wandering Jew? Kinda cool. I'm not Finnish but I use their goddess of pain ever since I read about her in a Dungeons & Dragons guidebook. Apparently she looks nothing like that version though.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 01:44, 15 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Back in day -- before I retired -- I was on the road much of the time, so the "Wandering" part fit :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:58, 15 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::::I figured as much. Pretty cool. And thanks for everything. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 08:15, 16 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Louis Ulbach's "Le Docteur Sublimini"/"Le Docteur Sublimi" ==<br />
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Thanks for submitting [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2888877 this parent title]! I have checked the full text of the 1888 edition [https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k68955w.texteImage available at Gallica] and the title on page 313 is "Le Docteur Sublimini" as opposed to "Le Docteur Sublimi". Do you happen to know of a publication where the "Le Docteur Sublimi" version appeared or was that a typo? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:27, 24 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:It's a typo, thanks for catching it![[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 20:26, 26 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Pierre Mille's "The Sirens" ==<br />
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Re: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5038873 this submission], could you please link to the laporteouverte.me page which mentions that "Les sirènes" is the original title of "L'Homme qui a vu les sirènes"? The reason I am asking is that I have downloaded a PDF version of Pierre Mille's 1907 collection ''Barnavaux et quelques femmes'' and the title page of this story says "L'Homme qui a vu les sirènes". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 07:59, 26 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Will do.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 20:27, 26 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: This was harder to find again than I would've thought-https://laporteouverte.me/2017/06/01/les-sirenes/. Apparently it was first published under this title in Le Journal then republished as L'homme qui a vue les sirènes in Barnavaux et quelque femmes.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 09:52, 29 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Approved and varianted. Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:17, 29 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Thistle and Thyme: Tales and Legends from Scotland ==<br />
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I put an image URL and some notes to your pv pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?837877 here]. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 15:37, 26 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Thank you. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 08:41, 27 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: I changed format to omnibus per your note. --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:08, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Tales of East Africa ==<br />
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Just a reminder that all [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?759114 these stories] need notes on their dates. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:42, 8 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Okay. Do you want me to add the books the stories originally came from? I can put that with the anthology note. I have to delete the line about the contents being incomplete as I got them all.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 01:56, 10 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: You know the answer to that by now - I will LOVE it if you add the original books they came from. But if you do not feel like doing it, even just notes with the source in each story is acceptable, explaining the date and first publication credit. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:18, 10 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::Will do.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 02:22, 10 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Dover Anthology ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?293608; You made an edit for this book recently; I saw there was no cover so I added it, then saw there was a previewable copy on Google Books so I added the page #'s; however, 1 of the stories (the last one) is missing in your edit and the title you entered doesn't match what's on the title page and neither does the title of the first story (no dash in Were-Wolf). --[[User:Username|Username]] 12:15, 23 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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::I didn't add the anthology title & didn't notice the difference in Housman's title. I will change both titles. I was checking up the last title & forgot to add. Will do now.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 21:30, 1 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Pooh and Piglet Go Hunting ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5187003 this submission]: Has Chapter 3 been separately printed under this title and are you going to enter a pub with that title? We would only variant to the chapter title name if the chapter title name has been used as an independent title. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:45, 2 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:I googled the chapter title & it has been published separately since at least 1968.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 02:56, 5 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::Approved & date changed to 1968. We date excerpts based on when the excerpt was first published, not the original work. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:25, 6 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::: Okay.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 22:57, 6 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Rapunzel ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5187004 this submission]: You ae varianting a work by the Grimm Brothers and James Reeves to a work only by the Grimm Brothers. What is James Reeves role? Did he just translate or did he re-write? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:47, 2 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:He adapted it. No mention of which translation he used.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 02:54, 5 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::We do not variant adaptations. Variants are for the same work or for pure translations. Adaptations are their own work. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:24, 6 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::: Alright.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 22:56, 6 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Incomplete collections and so on ==<br />
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When you add one story (or more) but not all of them to a publication such as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558223 here], always add the incomplete template as well. That way we can find the books that still need some work. I've added it here but please keep that in mind. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:40, 11 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Sorry about that. Was on a roll adding publisher series numbers to a bunch of books & didn't think about that. Will try to remember.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 21:23, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:: We have a template for that: <nowiki>{{incomplete}}</nowiki>: see how I changed it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?374407 here] - that's why I linked above. Then we have a report looking for books based on that so people can work on them (another report looks for empty collections/anthologies - that's why we have the template - if it is empty, the report gets it. If you aded one story - we do not know if we still miss some. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:46, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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::Oh okay. Thanks.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 22:56, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
::: Always something around here, I know :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:03, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Ring of Light ==<br />
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Careful when updating source such as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?677325 here]. When you remove Amazon.com from the line that is dated 2018-08-08 you are stating that everything else which is not in Locus (exact date for example) is only from 2022-02-11. Which is incorrect and can cause issues - a 2008 book with a date from Amazon from 2009 is fine; if the date is only from 2022, we may need to validate a bit more, especially if there had been reprints and what's not. So please do not remove statements of old sources - add a line for where and when the last piece was added (or don't - in this case it was not really needed) - but don't destroy the existing credits. See how I fixed that one. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:44, 11 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Sorry again. Thought I was just updating & had no idea it would be an issue. Will definitely remember that. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 21:25, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:: No worries - I appreciate you actually adding the notes. Think of prices and dates: for example once a paperback is out, the ebook price changes very often (in the USA anyway). If we have a price from before that and the note is reset to claim it is from after that, someone may decide to spend time tracking the pre-tp price (which we have). So keep the original note, add an extra note specifying what was changed/found/verified on the later date - like an impromptu change log :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:32, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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::I had no idea ebook prices change. Good to know. Thanks.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 21:36, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Shen of the Sea ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?674120; I added Open Library link, and there's a cover image, so add or upload yours if it's better, if you want to. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:21, 16 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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Ok, thank you. That's the right cover so please go ahead and add. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 04:28, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Karin K. ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?704178; There's a second printing on Archive.org that says the artist is Kretschmann. You may have entered the name wrong. --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:58, 18 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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Thanks for letting me know. I definitely made a mistake. Will fix it now. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 01:14, 19 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Floating Clouds, Floating Dreams ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?682549; I added Tony Chen, cover artist, from Archive copy. --[[User:Username|Username]] 00:13, 26 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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Awesome. Thank you. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] 21:43, 28 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Beasts & Creatures Myths & Tales ==<br />
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Is it really Foreward [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?884690 Beasts & Creatures Myths & Tales] here or should it be Foreword? Also your disambiguator for that same title has ":" between "Beasts & Creatures" and "Myths & Tales", the title and publication titles don't. One of these is incorrect so you may want to fix that while you have the book at hand as well :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:54, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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Thanks for catching that! It is foreword, will correct. I'll remove the semi-colon as well from the title. Thanks for letting me know. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] ([[User talk:Loviatar|talk]]) 21:54, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: IF it looks like a subtitle, change the titles instead - you have the book. But they should match :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 21:56, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Story of the Wolf Fenris ==<br />
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Gentle reminder to watch out for capitalization: "Story of the Wolf Fenris" and not "Story of the wolf Fenris" [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3084169 here]. You may also want to expand this kind of notes a bit adding the year to the title of the book the story was in (and the publisher if known) - that way making sure we know where the date is coming from exactly. "Myths of Northern Lands, 1895, published by "American Book Company" defines a book, "Myths of Northern Lands" can be any edition... I've updated this one - that way even if someone resets the date for one reason or another, we do not lose the source information (plus it is easier to know what book to look for). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:33, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:I'll try to remember to add that. As for the capitalization, I put it as it was in the original book as 'wolf' .[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] ([[User talk:Loviatar|talk]]) 02:11, 25 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: It does not matter what the original book uses for capitalization. We have capitalization rules. Exceptions are only acceptable if we know the author meant an unconventional capitalization. If you want to add a note in the book explaining capitalization for some titles, you can do that. But all titles need to be regularized. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:16, 25 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Good to know. Thanks[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] ([[User talk:Loviatar|talk]]) 19:51, 25 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Changing essays into nonfiction ==<br />
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Non-fiction text inside of books is always ESSAY in ISFDB. I approved the edit that did this because it was also adding more titles but then I reversed the change [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5426617 here]. If you were trying to make them into SHORTFICTION, please redo the change. If you really meant NONFICTION, see the first sentence. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:41, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:I'll change to NONFICTION. Thanks [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] ([[User talk:Loviatar|talk]]) 02:14, 25 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Not for non fiction inside of a book - that was the problem here. These should be essays - you cannot have nonfiction inside of an anthology/collection. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:14, 25 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: Sorry if I got confused. Will change back to essay.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] ([[User talk:Loviatar|talk]]) 20:12, 25 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::: Thanks :) The basic rule is that unless you are adding a non-fiction book, NON-FICTION should not appear anywhere in a book. Omnibuses can have non-fiction eventually but in collections and anthologies, if you think nonfiction, change it to essay. Hope that helps. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 23:40, 25 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Victorian Ghost Stories ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5481753; Let me know if you disagree with anything here; it will likely be quite a while before it's approved, so I can change anything if needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:47, 8 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Everything looks great, thanks. I'm actually shocked at the backlog in submissions, is everyone okay? Just wondering what's going on. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] ([[User talk:Loviatar|talk]]) 03:37, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Rag-picker ==<br />
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Can you review [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5461312 your submission]? I suspect that the varianting should be the other way around. Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 12:50, 8 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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Oops! Can't believe I did that. Thanks for catching that. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] ([[User talk:Loviatar|talk]]) 03:40, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Mike Stocks ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?30572; I had a thought: Either both of the first 2 books listed in the link should be collections or they should both be anthologies. You PV, so what do you think? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:38, 22 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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They're anthologies. I always thought the stories should be credited to the original authors & Mike Stocks as they're not original compositions. I've read the books & some of the stories in other anthologies & there's not much difference between them, maybe some abridgement or slight change of phrase. Only Let Loose is different as it amalgamates 2 stories by different writers. Anyways that's my opinion. Merry Christmas. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] ([[User talk:Loviatar|talk]]) 05:59, 24 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Wilhelm Wägner ==<br />
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Thanks for adding Wilhelm Wägner's biographical data! After approving the submission I changed https://de.m.wikipedia.com/wiki/Johann_Wilhelm_Ernst_Wägner to https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Wilhelm_Ernst_Wägner because "de.m.wikipedia.com" was throwing a security exception. It's probably just an expired certificate, but it's generally better to link to "wikipedia.org" as opposed to ".com" to avoid potential issues. Thanks for editing! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:52, 29 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Thank you! I should have put .org, I'll have to be more careful. Happy New Year! [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] ([[User talk:Loviatar|talk]]) 20:45, 29 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: You too! :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:58, 29 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Stith ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=thompson+stith+favorite&sort=title; Just uploaded, there's a cover, a British price on the front flap, anything else you may want to add to your PV; I just added the link in a (pending) edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:08, 6 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: Thank you![[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] ([[User talk:Loviatar|talk]]) 23:05, 6 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Afonso Arinos ==<br />
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Hello. I've tried to untangle the author [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?317024 Afonso Arinos] because it was a bit of a mess... have a look and let me know if this what you intended? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 16:19, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I was just trying to variant to his canonical name. Since there's nothing listed under 2 of the variants, maybe delete them? [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] ([[User talk:Loviatar|talk]]) 22:46, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::If you could explain what you intended to do with this author? His canonical name should be Afonso Arinos, yes? What are the publications that have been published under their variant name(s)? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 10:42, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::: There's just 1 title under the longer name- The Yara, and it's from the anthology A Harvest of World Folk Tales by Milton Rugoff. I put the original entry in. I'll delete the extraneous entries.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] ([[User talk:Loviatar|talk]]) 05:26, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::: Thanks for the clarification. I've approved both. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 03:12, 27 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::No problem. Thanks. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] ([[User talk:Loviatar|talk]]) 03:17, 27 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Legend of Ra and Isis ==<br />
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I have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5590600 your submission] on hold for a moment, as I'm wondering what your reasoning is to change the date of 'The Legend of Ra and Isis' from 1914 to 2018? Clearly, the author could not have written the piece in 2018... Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 03:23, 27 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: Sorry, I should have wrote that I have to variant the title. Originally it was Rā not Ra. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] ([[User talk:Loviatar|talk]]) 03:41, 27 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Approved. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 06:59, 28 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Citations ==<br />
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When citing previous or first publication in title notes, please include the source in the note, not just the note to moderator. I append the relevant info in this format "(source: Section: Publication)". I approved your six submissions. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:07, 13 March 2023 (EDT) <br />
: Sorry, I thought I did. Thank you. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] ([[User talk:Loviatar|talk]]) 03:08, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== J. Gilbert McAllister ==<br />
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The webpage you added to {{A|J. Gilbert McAllister}} is not a valid URL (URLs cannot start with periods). Can you please fix? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:12, 19 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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The webpage for {{T|3125258|Скорой гонецъ}} is also incorrect. I've cleaned up a number of Wikipedia links added by you that had typos so they did not go to the correct page. Are you typing URLs by hand? If so, it would be better to copy and paste them. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:39, 19 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Done. I always cut & paste Cyrillic as I wouldn't know how to write it. There may be some slight differences between the Cyrillic title & the Russian Wikisource entry as the Russian alphabet was reformed between 1917-1918 & the Wikisource uses the 3- volume 1980's edition which rearranged stories. I try to find the original title & which of the original 8 volumes they were published in. As for the McAllister entry, must have pressed the dot button by accident. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] ([[User talk:Loviatar|talk]]) 01:24, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::When entering URLs, please visit the URL you are adding in a browser, copy the URL (click on the browser's displayed URL, select the URL, and copy), and paste the URL into the ISFDB edit form (click in the entry field and paste). This will avoid errors such as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5528755 Georges instead of George] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5526232 Hartleyy_Burrling instead of Hartley_Burr]. It seems every few weeks I end up cleaning a number of these typos. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:23, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Really sorry about that. I have the Wikipedia URL saved so it's usually just the names I type. Spellcheck can be such a pain. I have to remember to double check. That Hartley Burr typo was a doozy though. Can't believe I did that. Thanks for letting me know. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] ([[User talk:Loviatar|talk]]) 06:44, 22 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: Type the URL in the browser URL field, make sure it connects and then copy it into the DB. Or after the submission, CLICK on all your links and external IDs (strongly recommended anyway for any links and linking IDs you post) and if any are incorrect, cancel and resubmit. Saves everyone a lot of work (and saves you from needing to track down a reference again if it cannot be easily figured out) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:45, 22 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::: Good idea. I'll try to remember that. Thanks. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] ([[User talk:Loviatar|talk]]) 06:57, 25 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Additional Invalid Wikipedia Links ==<br />
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The Wikisource links you added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3183936 here] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2567297 here] do not work. They both result in "Wikisource does not have an article with that title." Would you please fix? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:38, 28 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Sorry I missed that. I've corrected them now. Still getting used to my new computer.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] ([[User talk:Loviatar|talk]]) 19:27, 29 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dickens' The Haunted House ==<br />
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Hi Lovitar -<br />
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I'm afraid I'm going to have to reject [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5700100 your edit] to convert Dickens' {{T|1573437|The Haunted House}} from a novelette to an anthology. Bleiler's review in {{T|102822|The Guide to Supernatural Fiction}} describes the piece as a "framework" written by Dickens which incorporates six short stories by various authors. That doesn't really fit our definition of an anthology. When I entered is as part of {{P|412291|The Lamplighter's Story; Hunted Down; The Detective Police; and Other Nouvellettes}}, I chose to look at the entire work as a single multi author story, similar to other round robins we have in the database (e.g. {{T|69041|The Challenge from Beyond}}. I could see an argument being made for treating this as individual stories, as does FictionMags in their listing for the original magazine appearance. However, that requires listing Dickens' frame sequences as separate stories, and I don't believe they stand alone without the other pieces. However, if we do treat it as a single piece, I think the way we have it is probably best. I will approve your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5700129 other edit] to preserve the note as to the source. However, I'll have to revert the date change. We should reflect the first publication as a separate piece with the title "The Ghost in the Corner Room". Please let me know if you have any questions. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:02, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I know Collins' Gaskell's & The Ghost in Master B's Room have all been published separately, but not the others, so I'll go by your judgment. I was going to enter the Hesperus Press printing of The Haunted House as an anthology but I guess not. Thanks for clearing that up.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] ([[User talk:Loviatar|talk]]) 03:39, 6 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Phantom Coach: A Connoisseur's Collection of Victorian Ghost Stories ==<br />
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I approved your submission adding the contents to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?469073 this publication]. Please use pipes to make sure the contents stay in the correct order. I took care of it for you. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:20, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Thank you. Completely forgot.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] ([[User talk:Loviatar|talk]]) 03:40, 6 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Anthony Frederick Augustus Sandys vs Frederick Sandys ==<br />
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I'm holding your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5701072 edit] to make "Anthony Frederick Augustus Sandys" into a variant of "Frederick Sandys". I think the relationship should be in the reverse of what you are proposing. "Anthony Frederick Augustus Sandys" currently has 4 titles using that name, whereas, "Frederick Sandys" has only two. I am also holding some associated edits making variants based on "Anthony Frederick Augustus Sandys" as canonical name. Lastly, I rejected two edits that appear to make parent records with original paintings as COVERART records. We don't (or shouldn't) create records for paintings that haven't been published. If reproductions of the paintings have been published in a book that is eligible for inclusion here, they could be included as INTERIORART, but then should use the title and artist credit as they appear in such a publication. They should also bear the date that the reproduction was published. If you have some other reason to make "Frederick Sandys" the canonical name (e.g. you have additional eligible titles to add published under that name), let me know. Otherwise I think we have to assume that "Anthony Frederick Augustus Sandys" is how this artist is most frequently published in genre works. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:01, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Usually when I'm linking names I go by their Wikipedia entry if there's one. If the name with the most titles is the standard, I'll use that. As for the coverart, I wasn't sure if they could be varianted. Next time I'll just add a note if the picture title is mentioned. Thanks for letting me know, really appreciate it.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] ([[User talk:Loviatar|talk]]) 04:28, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Grandmother Spider Steals the Sun ==<br />
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Hi. I accidentally approved your submission for the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3162587 Grandmother Spider Steals the Sun] variant, when I wanted to put it on hold and ask you about it. I cannot tell from the notes: Is what appears in the Ortiz + Erdoes book the same story, or is something simply based on that original? In the latter case, we do not use variants to record derivations (the only option is to put a cross-reference in each title's notes). So if that is what is going on, we will need to break the variant and adjust the notes. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:25, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It is the same story from Erdoes & Ortiz's book. They took a note from James Mooney's book & expanded on it. I was going to add a note about that to the story. I wish the anthologist Amy L. Cohn had listed the sources better. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] ([[User talk:Loviatar|talk]]) 03:05, 19 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Harold and the Purple Crayon ==<br />
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I'm temporarily holding your addition of the 3rd printing. Does your copy enumerate the publication date or should we make the date unknown? I'll approve the submission as soon as you let me know. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:15, 24 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It states '3rd printing...........March 1968' on the copyright page. I found a copy on ebay with pictures that states the first printing was January 1966. Hope that helps. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] ([[User talk:Loviatar|talk]]) 05:25, 25 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Approved, thanks [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 07:34, 25 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zipes BatB ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5786274; I submitted and forgot to add, in the mod note, the many changes I made so letting you know here; it will probably be a while before it's approved so let me know if you disagree with anything. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:38, 9 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Looks good, thanks for letting me know. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] ([[User talk:Loviatar|talk]]) 04:11, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== 1943 Fenner Anthology ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?692980; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5800370; PENDING edit adding/fixing a lot of stuff. Transient but letting you know, anyway. Where was your copy from? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:26, 29 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The copy I used is at Internet Archive.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] ([[User talk:Loviatar|talk]]) 03:15, 30 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Oh, so the same copy I used, then. OK. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:37, 30 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Scandinavian Folk & Fairy Tales ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?718323; I replaced Archive.org link with the right one for this edition; https://archive.org/search?query=scandinavian-folk+fairy-tales. The one you linked to was for Avenel which was reprinted by Gramercy. Actually, the new one isn't really right, either, because it's for a much later printing. So, if you want, you could clone Gramercy and add link to that and maybe add a new record for Avenel, too. EDIT: If you do clone it let me know and I'll cancel my edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:35, 10 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Actually, the Gramercy edition is the one I used from my library. I'm sure I used the Internet Archive copy for when I was trying to figure out the illustrators. This was quite a while ago so I don't remember exactly. I had to check my library's webpage to double-check which edition it was (though they used a pic from the Avenel edition). [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] ([[User talk:Loviatar|talk]]) 03:41, 11 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== King of the Cats ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?667372; I have a PENDING edit adding Archive.org link, LCCN ID, note about UK price also on front flap, and replacement cover from Amazon that doesn't have someone's bathroom tiles in the background. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:01, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Okay, great. I didn't add the picture (I'm not good at uploading those things yet) but if you want to change it that's fine. Those tiles could be in a school too, who knows eh? [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] ([[User talk:Loviatar|talk]]) 07:33, 27 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Folk Tales of All Nations ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?684216; I added, in PENDING edits, Archive.org link (from 2015) to Harrap edition and cloned it/added Archive.org link (from 2023) to an undated Tudor Publishing edition; that has the original 1930 Coward-McCann date on its copyright page so the 1931 dates, of which there are about 100, in the contents should be changed to 1930, if you really care to do that. I'm just going to change the title date to 1930. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:11, 11 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Will do. Thanks for letting me know. By the way, how come there's such a huge backlog in pending submissions? I hope all the moderators are okay. ¬¬¬¬<br />
::I'm not a mod but I'd guess it's because many have given up doing anything except their own edits; mod names are there in the "recent edits" list but they rarely approve anyone else's edits. In my case I often have the majority of the edits, usually 2-2.5 times everyone else's edits combined, but because I'm disagreeable and don't put up with any nonsense some of the mods get mad and don't approve my edits. I get the feeling that by the time I started about 3 years ago the glory days were gone and many of the mods who were really interested in running things had either left or passed away. Much of the editing these days is for recently published or forthcoming books which, to me, is a waste of time and seems more about getting people to click on Amazon links than anything else; I'm one of the very few who edits older books on a regular basis. But then I only started doing this to pass the time so I can't really complain. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:05, 12 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::I'm kind of the same. I started a few years ago & mainly deal with fairy/ folk tale collections & Victorian ghost stories- tracking down author info, publication dates, adding anthologies, etc. I'm on disability so it gives me something to do & being a bit of a nerd I find it fun. I only know a few of the mods & they're generally pretty nice- like MartyD, Ahasuerus & Annie. I only ever had problems with 1 person who seem to have a bee in their bonnet but that was before the pandemic. I checked my approved edits & it looks likes Kraang was doing most of the work recently. They're nice too. I checked the Home page under moderators & I didn't see anything to explain the backlog unless people are on Winter vacation or something. Oh well. I have about 100 pending edits myself usually try to pace myself. Anyways, nice to talk to you & if you ever need any help with fairy tale collections let me know.[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] ([[User talk:Loviatar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Shadows on the Wall ==<br />
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I'm holding two edits [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5828456][https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5828459] that impact a verified publication. As the publication is verified by an active verifier, you need to coordinate these edits with the verifier. Please post on Rtrace's talk page to gain concurrence with the change.<br />
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Also, regarding the "The word 'two' in the title is suppose to be in italics but I'm not sure how to do that." in your moderator note: We do not include formatting in titles. You can add a title note stating there is formatting, but it would not be included in the title field. Formatting would break search and other functions. <br />
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Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:49, 23 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Okay, I've never posted on anyone's talk page before, but I'll try. Thanks for the info on italics, didn't know about that. Glad to hear from you, with the huge backlog of submissions I was worried about you & the other moderators. Merry Christmas [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] ([[User talk:Loviatar|talk]]) 09:03, 23 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Yes, there has been an extended backlog lately. I know I have had less time then usual and am guessing the same is happening with other moderators. Merry Christmas to you also. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:23, 23 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Shippeitaro and the Phantom Cats ==<br />
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Regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5834976 this submission]: I am not seeing Littledale credited in this pub for this story. I only see her credited for "The Ghost of the One Black Eye" and "The Soldier and the Demons". Am I missing something? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:27, 23 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:It says it was adapted from F. Hadland Davis' version but you're right, Littledale's name isn't listed. Should I list it as Davis & uncredited instead?[[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] ([[User talk:Loviatar|talk]]) 02:34, 25 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::We leave this record credited as per the pub (so only Davis), but we would then variant it to a record credited to Davis and Littledale. The dates would also be changed to 1971-12-00 to match first appearance of this version. We do not need "(adapted)" on the title record as this is the only occurrence by both Davis and Littledale. I have made the necessary changes. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:45, 25 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Okay, thank you. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] ([[User talk:Loviatar|talk]]) 05:14, 26 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Russian Fairy Tales ==<br />
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You are working on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?977762 this publication]. Now I'm wondering why the author's name varies for some individual pieces and is not the same for all of them. Afanasiev, Aleksandr Afanas'ev, and A. N. Afanasief are to be found. Does this match the information in the book? Usually all pieces of a collection have the same author's name. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 04:14, 5 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:They do. I just wanted to get the titles imported & varianted before making them uniform. I can never understand how different people using the same book could have Afanas'ev's name listed differently. I will change the names when I'm done to make it uniform, if that's okay. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] ([[User talk:Loviatar|talk]]) 21:59, 5 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Hard Rejects ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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I am working through some very old submissions of yours and not very surprisingly a lot of them are not viable anymore and all I can do is to hard reject them. I am sorry about that. If they had not been redone, please resubmit the changes. :( [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 21:07, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:Okay, I'll check. Thanks. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] ([[User talk:Loviatar|talk]]) 08:20, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Legal names ==<br />
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Just a friendly reminder that legal names are recorded as "Last, First Middle(s)". I fixed it [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?363696 here] (you missed the comma) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 21:12, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
: And then I approved a ton of others that were fine so I suspect it was just a typo. :) I think I got all your edits through. Thanks for working on all those fairy tales. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 00:27, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::No problem. I find it really interesting work, but frustrating too at times.. I'm going to try to get all of Afanasiev's titles varianted. [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] ([[User talk:Loviatar|talk]]) 08:25, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::: Ping me if you need help deciphering something on the Russian side of things :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 10:52, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::::Will do, thanks. :) [[User:Loviatar|Loviatar]] ([[User talk:Loviatar|talk]]) 22:49, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== King Kong ==<br />
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Please see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5887440 this submission] that I am holding which impacts your verified publication. Let me know if it is okay to accept or there are different versions of this book (especially based on the price). Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:13, 9 March 2024 (EST)</div>
JLaTondre
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Evertype&diff=681489
User talk:Evertype
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<p>JLaTondre: /* The Carrier Bag Theory of Fiction */ new section</p>
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<div>{{welcome}} [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:38, 27 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Pimeduse parem käsi ==<br />
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I approved the book [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?993743 here]. <br />
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A few notes:<br />
* The adding of the cover is always a second step - so wait for the book to be created and then you can cleanly upload the cover and then add the URL. I copied the one you supplied into its place and will shortly delete the original upload. <br />
* If Tiina Reinsalu is credited as the designer only, she does not get a coverart credit but only a note. Is she also credited as the illustrator? <br />
* The GR cover you linked to in the notes is very different from what you uploaded. Was there a second edition? We cannot link to GR directly - you can download their covers and upload them here though. <br />
* While I was around, I also connected it to the English original (always an extra step post-approval).<br />
Thanks and let me know if you have any questions. If you cannot confirm that Reinsalu also has the art credit, I will be removing the coverart record in a few days. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:22, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hello and thank you. This is more confusing than the Wikipedia. On the copyright page it says "Kaane kujundanud Tiina Reinsalu" which means 'The cover was designed by Tiina Reinsalu'. I also uploaded a cover for the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3269068 Bulgarian LHD] but it does not appear. I will try again. What is a "GR cover"? Thanks again. [[User:Evertype|Evertype]] ([[User talk:Evertype|talk]]) 08:46, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:: OK I tried to upload a picture file but it was already at [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:LHD-bg_1980_cover_200KB.jpg LHD-bg_1980_cover_200KB.jpg] so I could not add it to the record. [[User:Evertype|Evertype]] ([[User talk:Evertype|talk]]) 08:51, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::: GR cover is a Goodreads cover - as you were showing a Goodread record. <br />
::: ISFDB is essentially 2 separate projects together - the data for the books are in the DB while the covers and the Talk pages are in the Wiki. Once you create a book, if you look at it, it has an "Upload cover" link on it. When you click on it, it will allow you to upload in the correct place with a title that is unique for that book. Not that you cannot put the cover in a different place like you did with this one but then it won't be backed up (for example). <br />
::: Once uploaded, the wiki knows who the cover belongs to but the DB does not - so you still need to edit the record to add the URL.<br />
::: Would you like to try the process [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?988614 here] (I did a few changes to get the book up to standards - we use BGN for the currency symbol and we skip the ": A novel" in titles (which is what the ": роман" means)). I can also move the image for you if you prefer. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 10:50, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::: I am sorry, I tried this process and I got "Upload warning — A file with this name exists already, please check File:LHD-bg 1980 cover 200KB.jpg if you are not sure if you want to change it. — LHD-bg 1980 cover 200KB.jpg — The upload is an exact duplicate of the current version of File:LHD-bg 1980 cover 200KB.jpg." So I do not know what to do. [[User:Evertype|Evertype]] ([[User talk:Evertype|talk]]) 09:04, 9 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::::: One of the buttons allows you to upload anyway -- it is just the Wiki's way from stopping people to upload the file multiple times. If you had not uploaded the file beforehand, it would not have matched. Do you want me to upload it for you and connect it? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 10:24, 9 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::I clicked the one and only button that allows you to upload and because I had already uploaded that file with that file name it would not allow me to upload it again. So I do not know how to do it. [[User:Evertype|Evertype]] ([[User talk:Evertype|talk]]) 10:33, 9 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::: And at the bottom of the page, once the warning is issued, it allows you to upload despite the warnings. I will upload it as soon as I am back on a proper computer. We can also just link it to its current place - but if ever have a disaster case, we may lose it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:00, 9 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::::: All done. Here [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?988614 we go]. I also cleaned up the old image :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:02, 9 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Bulgarian Le Guin ==<br />
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We already have the work [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?988614 here] - so I rejected the attempt to add it again. Let me know if you need any assistance (in case you had not looked at my page, Bulgarian happens to be my native language - and I also work across all the Eastern and Central European languages on the site). :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:32, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Yes, I am the one who uploaded that record. I ALSO uploaded a book cover and I cannot link it to this and cannot upload another image. So what do we do? [[User:Evertype|Evertype]] ([[User talk:Evertype|talk]]) 08:14, 9 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:: I think we are all sorted now. Add the book a second time was never going to achieve anything - even if it was approved, it would have been deleted at one point when the duplicate was found. If you are not sure how to proceed with something, you can ask at the [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk Help Desk]. Or in a conversation with anyone assisting you at the time of course. Let me know if there is anything else left to be done here - I think this one is now fully updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:08, 9 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Currency codes ==<br />
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In my opinion it is a TERRIBLE idea to convert older currencies into the modern one. How could one use a currency converter with the wrong currency? Codes for former currencies exist for a reason. A Soviet ruble is not the same as a Russian ruble. Not at all. [[User:Evertype|Evertype]] ([[User talk:Evertype|talk]]) 09:04, 9 February 2024 (EST)<br />
: We don't use codes but a mix of symbols and codes (and I mixed up things here - we use Lev for Bulgarian - my brain mixed up another DB I am working on here). The list we support is [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:List_of_currency_symbols here]. If you use anything else, it will ping on a report and someone will need to fix it later. If you think that we should use different symbols for the 6 different eras of the Levs, please open a discussion on the Rules and Standard page and we can discuss it. But keeping different symbols makes it harder for users to add books so we tend to simplify things with currencies and the publication year tells people what era it is if they care about it. The price is there just for completeness - we are not a price DB after all. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 10:24, 9 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Well, I can open a discussion on Rules and Standards. I understand that it's not a price DB, but there are four different levs, and they really do have different values. Actually I could not FIND the the Rules when I looked for them, like word counts for novel/novella/novelette and so on. [[User:Evertype|Evertype]] ([[User talk:Evertype|talk]]) 10:31, 9 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::: There are more than 4 if you go all the way back to 1881. We can define different values per period if the community decides to but as they are all called Lev on the books, separating them is not trivial, especially for undated books. Feel free to post about it and see if you can get a consensus to change the rules. Currency's value changes even within the same period - the lev just before the 3 zeros got dropped in 1999 was still the same as the one in the early 1990s but its value was... not even close. So using that to compare to other currency values without an exact date is an exercise in frustration and way outside of the scope of our DB.<br />
::: Word counts are defined [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:TitleFields:Length here]. You get there by the help button next to the length column in the contents of a book. The prices link I posted above is reached via the help button next to the Price field in the Editing of a publication. The R&S board is [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions here]. Let me know if I can assist further. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 10:57, 9 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Carrier Bag Theory of Fiction ==<br />
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Regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5886554 this submission]: To add a new publication to an existing title record, you can use the "Add Publication to This Title" in the left had side menu (under "Editing Tools"). I have added the 2019 publication which can be found {{P|998804|here}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:05, 9 March 2024 (EST)</div>
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== The Other Passenger by John Keir Cross ==<br />
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Thanks for adding new content to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?242461 this pub]. Your submission was accepted with some minor changes. For prices use the dollar sign, e.g. $2.75 in this case. Also when adding new content such as stories, the new records created by the update will have to be merged with any existing records for the same stories (there were title records for 8 of the stories you added). I'll do that and you'll see the results on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?John%20Keir%20Cross John Keir Cross's summary page]. Thanks again, and welcome to the ISFDB. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:17, 1 Jan 2008 (CST)<br />
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== ESPer ==<br />
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Your submission was accepted, a correction was made to the price entry. All prices need to start with a currency symbol, and prices in cents need a leading zero, e.g., $0.35.--[[User:Rkihara|Rkihara]] 18:56, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Conditionally Human ==<br />
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I accepted your submission updating the cover artist of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?7847 this pub], and notified the verifier. It is ISFDB policy that an editor notify the verifier when a change has been made in a verified pub. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 18:10, 6 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Ellison Wonderland '' ==<br />
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Thanks for correcting the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?LLSNWNDRLN1984 Bluejay Books edition of ''Ellison Wonderland '']! I have approved the submission and massaged the data in this publication, so it seems to be OK now.<br />
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One word of caution: if you edit an existing title in the Contents section of a collection, anthology, magazine or omnibus, it will affect that title in ''all'' other books and editions that the title appears in. Sometimes this behavior is desirable, for example if you are correcting a typo and the correction applies to every edition that we have on file. However, in this case it would mean that 'Back to the Drawing Boards' would replace 'The Forces that Crush' everywhere, which is presumably not what we want. This a common issues that all new contributors run into and we plan to change the behavior of our software to make it more intuitive, but for now we follow the workaround described in [[Help:How to change a story in a collection]]. Thanks again for the submission! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 04:17, 10 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== LCCN placement ==<br />
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The LCCN should be placed in the note field. The Catalog #/ISBN field is used only for the ISBN or the catalog numbers of pre-ISBN paperbacks. I've adjusted the change you made to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25253 this pub] accordingly. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 05:03, 13 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Synopsis field ==<br />
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The synopsis field is used for a brief suimmery of the plot of a story or novel. Comments such as "Per Acknowledgments in 'Shot in the Dark' (p 310), reprinted from 'Wanted: Someone Innocent' (Pony Books Edition) by Margery Allingham Carter, 1946. Contento also lists 1946 as publication year." should be placed in the notes field. Thank you. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 21:06, 2 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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The same thing happened in {{T|91756|Who Is Charles Avison?}}, and i again moved the "synopsis" of "Originally published in an April 1916 issue of Argosy, per Contento (1st edition, p 572.)" into the notes field. I do thank you for these detailed and useful notes, but do please put them in the note field in future. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:32, 2 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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The same thing with {{T|75152|The Bronze Parrot}} by {{A|R. Austin Freeman}}. But here there is another oddity. I have read most of Freeman's work, and little if any of it qualifies as speculative fiction. Handling Non-SF contents in SF anthologies or collections is a bit tricky, and opinions vary on the best way to do it. But some indication of non-speculative status should generally be recorded. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:42, 2 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:DES: thanks for cleaning up my edits. The Freeman story, 'The Bronze Parrot', does qualify as speculative fiction. A milquetoast churchman finds a small bronze parrot, and is unaware that it immediately changes him to an intimidating bully. When he finally returns the parrot to the museum which lost it, he returns to normal. At the end we learn the parrot was the totem of an Ashanti War Chief whose war chant translates as, "Foreign slaves revile me. Why?".<br />
::You are welcome. Since I left this msg, i found the story in the collection ''The Great Portrait Mystery'' (via PG Australia) and i quite agree. There is another story in that collection that is basically a ghost story. I'll have to see about entering it. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 21:11, 8 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== DW? ==<br />
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Hello - when updating {{p|4094|The Best from Startling Stories}} you added the note "per DW front flap, 'Jacket illustration by Alex Schomburg, copyright 1952, by Better Publications, Inc.'" I approved the update but what's the or a DW? --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 06:56, 30 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: I would guess "Dust Wrapper", aka "Dust Jacket"? [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 23:13, 30 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
:: Thanks - that makes perfect sense. I updated the publication to spell out "dust wrapper" and found three other pub records that also used DW which I expanded. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 04:28, 31 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== 1964 Ballantine edition of ''Star of Stars'' ==<br />
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You may not have run into it yet, but when we make changes to verified publications, we generally leave messages on the verifier's Talk page so that the verifier can make sure that the changes match his copy. (In a small percentage of cases it turns out that two editors have two somewhat different editions.) I have approved the addition of Richard Powers as the cover artist to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?182401 1964 Ballantine edition of ''Star of Stars'']and, since it was already verified by [[User:Kraang]], left him a note on [[Adding Images/Notes to Pubs Verified by Kraang]]. Thanks for editing! :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 23:23, 30 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: I think Ahasuerus meant [[User talk:Kraang/Changes to Verified Pubs]]. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 04:30, 31 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Men Against the Stars ==<br />
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The submission for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?297271 this new pub] was accepted, but a few changes were made. I copied the catalog number that you had in the notes fields into the ISBN/Catalog No. field, and the contents were entered based on the reference in Tuck. A couple of questions: Tuck gives this a 1957 date, and gives it 191 pages. Can you double check the page count before I do a Tuck-verification of the record? Also if you have a copy, please add the page numbers for the stories. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 21:38, 5 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
:According to [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/2398051 OCLC record 2398051] this was published in 1957 and has 191 pages (both agrees with Tuck). It also says that "Pyramid Giant G234" is printed on the cover. Does your copy agree with this? [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 21:55, 5 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I just found this [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/15863672 OCLC record 15863672] which has the same date and page count as your copy but it only lists seven stories. We need to reconcile the ISFDB records with Tuck and OCLC. I added a cover scan from Bookscans website. Does it match your copy? Also, does you copy have a statement that it is a second printing? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 22:01, 5 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Gollancz edition of ''Blood and Burning'' ==<br />
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Do you know which stories are included in this edition of the Budrys collection? Thanks. Also, I removed "uncredited" in the cover artist field. That field remains blank if the artist is not credited in the book. If there is a visible signature, or a secondary source you can place that name in the field and place the source in the notes. Otherwise leave the field blank. See the artist section of [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#General_contents the entry standards]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 15:01, 17 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Arthur Sellings' "The Transfer" ==<br />
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I accepted the submission which updated [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?98459 this title record] with a note saying that it was not in the collection. Contento and Tuck disagree, but they do make an occasional error. I will accept a submission which removes it from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?TMTRNSFRBB1956 this pub record], but will ask that you do a primary verification on the pub in case someone should come along and try to add the story back based on Contento and Tuck. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 06:25, 2 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Stories from Outer Space ==<br />
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I approved the update to {{p|33346|Stories from Outer Space}} but am puzzled in that you changed the note from<br />
* Page count and place of publication from OCLC record 6033507.<br />
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* Page count and place of publication from OCLC record 6033507. Page count verified by my copy of book <br />
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Someone looking at this record will not know who "my" is.<br />
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Does your copy not state the place of publication? Per what's at [[Template:PublicationFields:Publisher]] it looks like it would be better to:<br />
* Change the publisher name to "Chartwell Books" to remove the city name.<br />
* Update the note to say "OCLC record 6033507 reports the publisher as 'Secaucus, NJ: Chartwell Books.'" --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 08:40, 7 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Coverscan of "The Other Worlds" ==<br />
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I noticed your third effort to upload the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:TOTWRLDS1941.jpg coverscan] for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?TOTWRLDS1941 The Other Worlds]. Nice scan btw. There seems to be one step in the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_upload_images_to_the_ISFDB_wiki procedure] you haven't found yet, step 6: ''Once the file has been uploaded, the image's wiki page will appear. In order to get the URL (address) for the image you just uploaded, left click anywhere on the image and copy the URL from your browser's address window. (Or right click on the image and choose "Copy Image Location".) If you're adding a cover image to a pub record, this is the URL which you would enter into the pub record's "Image URL" field.'' After this edit is approved, the scan should be visible on the publication page. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 06:29, 11 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Since you haven't responded, I added the link. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 06:32, 18 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Code ==<br />
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I am going to approve your update of {{T|903496|Code}} but the comment of "Copyright attribution in Sterling's collection 'Visionary in Residence' says, 'first appeared in Men Seeking Women: Love and Sex On-line edited by Jonathan Karp, Atrandom.com, 2001.' " belongs in the note field, '''not''' inn the synopsis field. I will move it. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 06:29, 6 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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A similar issue occurred with {{T|903499|The Necropolis of Thebes}} where I moved text from the synopsis field to the note field. Please remember that the Synopsis field is for a brief plot summery of a novel or story. Thank you for your contributions. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 06:36, 6 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Complete Novel=Serial ==<br />
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The ISFDB gives any novel that is published complete in one issue the SERIAL title type. Yes, this may first appear to defy the meaning of "serial", but keep in mind, when authors sell a work's "serial rights", it simply means that it will be published in a periodical as opposed to a book, not that it will necessarily have to be split into multiple issues of that periodical. The ISFDB uses the SERIAL type accordingly, and then makes it into a variant of the canonical title record, which contains publications of the story in book form. If you look at the title record for the Budrys novel [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?606861 here], you'll see that it contains three publication records. The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?SATLTSFOCT1956 first one] is it's "serialization" in a single issue of ''Satellite''. The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?MANOERT1958 second] is its book publication by Ballantine. And the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?RNGXMTVJCB1962 last] is a translated serialization (in one issue) of an Italian magazine. The two serializations have been made variants of the book title which we consider the ''canon'' title of the work. If the book publication ("Man of Earth") had retained the same title used in the magazine publication ("The Man from Earth"), and if we made the magazine publication into the NOVEL title type (which your submission would have done) then we would have a novel title record "The Man from Earth" which is a variant of another novel title record "The Man from Earth", an untenable situation as it would be natural to merge these two records. So those persons who designed the database (not me) decided to make all magazine appearances into SERIAL title types, regardless of the number of issues in which it appear. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:27, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Notes in ''The Kid from Mars'' ==<br />
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Hi. I just accepted your edits to {{P|272837|A Kid from Mars}}. It sounds as if you actually have the book. In cases like this, where the notes indicate the entry was constructed from secondary sources, it's ok to remove/revise the notes where the source of the data is now the publication itself. For example, the note talks about the year being from Worldcat, but you've found the date on the copyright page (and you've added a note to that effect). Other than the fact that this corresponds to OCLC #1806888 (which should be kept in the notes), most of the first two sentences are no longer relevant if you have the publication. Does that make sense? Absolutely no harm in erring on the side of keeping things and/or following an add-only policy, but I wanted to be sure you know it's ok to do more than that in this situation. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:00, 1 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Harrison's introduction in ''Best SF 1970'' ==<br />
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Just a note that I accepted the addition of page numbers to the first US edition of this book, but converted Harrison's "Introduction" from a review to an essay. I also merged it with its counterpart from a later printing and set up a variant title for the retitled version of the intro in the Sphere edition. Thanks for editing! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 07:42, 19 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Pre-decimal British currency ==<br />
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I accepted your change to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?320679 this pub], but reverted the price from "6s. 0d." back to "6/-", which is the form we use here on the ISFDB for pre-decimal British currency. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:35, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Non-Fiction vs. Essay ==<br />
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Hi. Approved your addition of {{P|339043|Seven for Space}}, but I changed the types of the two introductory pieces from NONFICTION to ESSAY. We use NONFICTION for book-length works, and ESSAY for shorter pieces. You will rarely (if ever) have a case where you would set a content entry's type to NONFICTION. The distinction isn't obvious unless you've studied [[Help:Screen:EditPub#EntryType|the help]]. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:16, 28 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Foundation's Edge ==<br />
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I approved your edit to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?224597 this pub], but then cloned it, because mine was obviously a second printing. Also moved my verification, and deleted the note about the 2nd printing. I would have appreciated a message on my talk page. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 11:51, 31 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Variant dustjacket for ''Travelers of Space'' ==<br />
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I've responded to your message to Gilgamesh on his talk page, but I just noticed that you'd uploaded the Binkley image by using the replace image method. So the Cartier image no longer links to the pub, the one you replaced it with (the Binkley art) is now displayed in the pub record for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?TRVLRSSPC1951 Travelers of Space]. In the future, don't use the "Upload new cover scan" link if the images don't match. This link is to upload a better scan of the image than the one that's currently displayed in the record. If you look at [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:TRVLRSSPC1951.jpg the wiki page] for the image, you'll see it is credited to Edd Cartier, who was the artist of [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/archive/2/25/20110116205657!TRVLRSSPC1951.jpg the image] you replaced. I could revert these changes but the image you just uploaded (the Binkley artwork) may be lost. If so, you'll have to upload it again, using [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_upload_images_to_the_ISFDB_wiki the other method] of adding images to the server. I'll let you know if I can save it. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:03, 16 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I may have the artists of the two images confused. Is the blue one by Binkley and the red one by Cartier...or the reverse? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:05, 16 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::go ahead and delete the Binkley image I uploaded, and replace with previous Cartier (red) jacket. apologize for the hassle. {{Unsigned|Markwood}}<br />
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:::No hassle, but you should sign your comments with four tildes - <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> :). I've reverted the image to the Cartier art, reloaded the Binkley image and linked it to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?52251 the pub record's note field]. Please add further notes to the record detailing what you know about each of the two dustjackets. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:42, 17 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors: A Search for Who We Are ==<br />
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I'm not sure if this title would be covered under the current policies about inclusion in the database. Was is your rationale for adding it? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:13, 30 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:This nonfiction book appears consistent with the other nonfiction books already listed for Sagan. It, too, is 'popular science', this time focusing on human evolution and biology. I'm just trying to fill in a missing title in a catalogued body of work. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]]<br />
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::Your submission doesn't credit Sagan as the author, only Ann Druyan. Those other books by Sagan are in the db based on their being reviewed in an SF magazine. I don't think we need to add every book every written by a scientist who wrote only one work of SF, but I'll allow the submission if you'll update it, giving Sagan credit. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:30, 30 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I've accepted the submission making the following changes based on the OCLC record: Changed the ISBN from "0-394-534881-6" to "0-394-53481-6", added the roman-numeraled pages, and added Carl Sagan as the co-author. If this matches your copy of the book please do a primary verification of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?342401 the pub]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:07, 31 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Bradbury Chronicles 2 ==<br />
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I accepted the submission adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?353078 this new pub] but removed the publication series in which you placed it. This is a title series and is already in the pub's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?32112 title record]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:39, 22 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:According to the OCLC record, the cover art is by Dave Gibbons. Are you certain that Bruce Jensen is credited as the artist? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:42, 22 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Yes, cover art for the hardcover edition is by Bruce Jensen, per back of dust jacket: 'Cover illustration by Bruce Jensen'.<br />
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== Bradbury Chronicles 3 ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?353079 This record] was accepted, and like the one above, I removed the publication series data. Also there's an error in how the cover artist is credited. If the cover art is a collaboration between two people each person must be credited in their own field. Press "Add Artist" to enter additional credits. Did both Timothy Truman and Steve Fastner create the cover art? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:07, 22 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Yes, both artists are credited on back of dust jacket: 'Cover illustration by Timothy Truman & Steve Fastner'. Thanks for reminder about entering each artist separately. (Doh! :)) I'll fix the database record.<br />
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== ''The Inheritance'' by Robin Hobb (and Megan Lindholm) ==<br />
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Your note to update [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?340301 this pub] states that Lindholm is credited as the author on the back cover. The ISFDB standard is to use the credit as given on the book's title page, because occasionally cover credit differs from title page credit. Can you confirm that the book is credited to both Hobb and Lindholm on the book's title page? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:00, 24 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Because of non-response, the submission was accepted, but the change in author credit was reverted to the original credit. If you feel this is in error, please leave a message here. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:22, 1 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Never at Home'' ==<br />
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Hi. To answer your question about {{P|354889|Never at Home}}'s publication date.... Start with what does the book say? If that doesn't help, then look for secondary sources. Here, if I go to [http://www.aqueductpress.com/ Aqueduct Press], I see they have "prerelease" pricing for orders before Aug 1, which sort of reinforces an August publication date. But if there were no information, then you might go with a July date based on your purchase. Regardless, I would include in the notes that you purchased a copy 2011-07-19. Unfortunately, being able to buy it doesn't necessarily say anything about the official publication date (other than it's somewhere near then).<br />
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A secondary comment: If you edit an entry whose notes claim Amazon (usually from Fixer or Dissembler -- two web crawlers) or any other secondary source as the source of information, you should delete that note, since now you are working off of the book. You'd only leave the note if there were some data elements in the entry that were not in the book and still came from the secondary source. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:54, 21 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Gutter code on ''The Best from Universe'' ==<br />
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The gutter code is probably "O01" (the letter O followed by two numerical digits "01") in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35736 this pub] which would indicate a printing in the first week of January 1984. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:42, 21 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Creating line breaks in notes ==<br />
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If you want to make a line break in the note field, a simple keyboard return won't do it. You'll have to use HTML. Just add '''<nowiki><br></nowiki>''' at the end of the line before you start the next. If you look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44191 the record] you just updated, you'll see that all the data you entered into the notes are on one line and that it butts up to the previous one (with the LOC permalink). Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:04, 22 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The New Atlantis'' ==<br />
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I approved the submission adding the page numbers to the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44578 this publication]. Since the introduction starts on an Roman numbered page, you should also add those to the page count. Also, I noticed that OCLC gives the page count as vii+182 while the LCCN gives it as just 180. Can you confirm which one is correct? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:33, 22 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Last page with text is numbered 180. There are 8 (viii) pages before page 1, with the 1-page intro on page vii. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:44, 23 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for updating the record. Please do a primary verification when you get the chance. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:19, 24 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''A Wrinkle in Time'' ==<br />
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The submission adding a record for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?371155 this printing] of the title was accepted. There is no evidence that this was ever a selection of the SFBC. The definitive list was supplied to the rec.arts.sf.written newsgroup by SFBC editor Andrew Wheeler in 2003, and this title was not on the list. There is no doubt however that this edition was published by Doubleday for any number of their book clubs. When there is no direct evidence that a Doubleday printing was a selection of the SFBC, we give the publisher as "Publisher / BCE". Can you check to see if the words "Book Club Edition" are printed at the bottom on the front flap of the dustjacket? There is also enough evidence to date this to at least 1969. (A new FSG trade edition, using the Ariel Books imprint, was published in 1968 and at that time, book club editions usually appeared between 6 and 12 months after the trade edition.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:33, 26 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:The dust jacket on my copy has both top & bottom corners of front flap clipped. Probably did have 'Book Club Edition', given other evidence (no edition/printing on copyright page, apparent book club number '2021' on bottom of back flap, blank back jacket), but can't verify. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:21, 28 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I've made adjustments to the record that it's a BCE and dated it 1969. If we can later confirm that it was a SFBC selection, the record can be corrected. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:32, 28 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Best of F&SF ==<br />
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This is a title series, not a publication series. I've removed it from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35674 this publication record]. The series was already in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?34184 the title record]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:27, 28 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== F&SF 30 Year Retrospective ==<br />
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I linked the Amazon cover image to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?43491 your verified record] of this title. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:38, 2 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Adventures in Time & Space'' ==<br />
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I accepted the submission correcting the price of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?245825 this record]. Is the $2.95 price printed on your copy's dustjacket? I need to note that the price given in Tuck is incorrect. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:24, 3 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, price in upper right corner of front flap of dust jacket is '$2.95'. Guess Tuck was rounding up. :) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 02:50, 3 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Adventures in Tomorrow'' ==<br />
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Can you confirm that the editor credit and all interior pieces in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?367503 this edition] are given to Kendell F. Crossen? The OCLC record credits the full name, but their older records may not be as reliable. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:28, 3 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Far Boundaries'' ==<br />
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You should leave a note on the other primary verifier's talk page that you made some substantial changes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13206 this record]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:31, 3 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== How to... ==<br />
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Click on the Wiki "Help" link and you're carried to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Contents this page]. There's a link for "How to..." Clicking on that will carry you to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to this page]. I would suggest bookmarking this page, as it has links to almost every function you will probably need to know in editing the database. There's a link here on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_merge_titles How to merge titles]. This will teach you how to merge the two separate title records for the same Ken MacLeod story. If you have any questions, please leave a response to this message. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:26, 8 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== 30 Years of MFSF ==<br />
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Hello, I spotted a faulty page numbering in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?43491 this pub]: Bretnor's Schimmelhorn story is catalogued on p. 2009 and I guess it should be - for example - p. 209. Could you take another veryfying look? Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:34, 12 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
: And while taking another look: the stories by Boucher and Disch both begin on p. 273 in this pub? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:42, 12 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Good catch. Thanks! There were 2 typos: '2009' was supposed to be '209', and '... Saint Aquin' starts on 294. I submitted the edits. Really appreciate you finding the errors and letting me know. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:24, 14 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::No problem: we all do the occasional typiung (see?) error. I was just linking the German publication of the anthology. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:19, 17 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Storm Over Warlock ==<br />
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Hello, I had to reject your modification to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?298713 this pub], instead of modifying the record for the first printing, you should have created another record for what seems to the second printing. You can do this via the "Clone This Pub" item in the "Editing Tools" menu on the left of the screen. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 22:15, 15 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:OK. I submitted the clone edit. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 22:27, 15 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:: Approved, thanks (you also can do a primary verification now). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 22:32, 15 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Disambiguating titles... ==<br />
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...should be done with parentheses, not brackets. I've corrected the title of the introduction in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15122 this record]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:45, 29 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Serial LCCNs ==<br />
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Concerning your note in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48409 this record] about a duplicate LCCN. This is called a serial LCCN because it's assigned to newspapers, periodicals, and book series, so that each successive volume can be grouped by librarians. I discovered this a few years back when I was working on other series like ''Universe'', ''New Dimensions'', and ''Orbit''. You may have already been aware of the usage, but I thought I'd let you know just in case you may have believed the duplication to be an error. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:05, 29 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Good to know. I'll re-edit the Galaxy Readers I've verified to use this terminology. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 22:32, 29 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Eyes of the Overworld'' ==<br />
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There was a discussion about this title years ago (I tried to find it, but my Wiki search skills have failed me) in which the conclusion was to keep [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2033 this title] a novel and not a collection. It may have been because the individual works had been "fixed-up" to form the novel, or that the work was published as a novel instead of a collection. I really can't remember. If you want to begin a new discussion on one of the community pages, leave a note on the talk page of each of the verifiers. I'll hold your submission until the outcome of that discussion. I can't accept it as it is right now because you left the pub type as a novel. Now that we have the ability to import contents it would be easier than it was years ago to convert each of the pubs to a collection type and then import the contents. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:20, 29 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: I also can't find the original discussion, if it still exists. My own comment [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk/archives/archive_05#The_Eyes_of_the_Overworld_:_Novel-.3Ecollection here] gave one reason not to rework them, but this may be a sign that we really need to look at beefing up "based on" links. In the copious free time that Ahasuerus and I don't have. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 02:34, 30 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::If it was decided, then please ignore my edit and leave as novel. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:06, 30 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::It's possible that the main reason for keeping it as a novel was because of the difficulty in converting records. Software changes have made that much simpler. I see that two of the constituent pieces ("The Cave in the Forest" and "The Manse of Iucounu") were first published as a single piece ("The Manse of Iucounu") and another one ("Cil") was original to the book but subsequently published as a separate piece. The other pieces appeared serially in F&SF over the course of a few months (12/65-7/66). So that may be why the book is considered a "fix-up" novel instead of a story collection. If you don't want to initiate a discussion (things aren't so set in stone that they can't be changed), you can cancel the submission. I'll leave it in the queue and leave the decision to you. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:26, 30 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Frost & Fire ==<br />
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I added a number of items to the notes section of a pub you verified, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13592 Frost & Fire by Zelazny. [[User:Biomassbob|Biomassbob]] 01:48, 15 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Gateway to Tomorrow ==<br />
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Quick question: is "Mus'''ue'''m Press" in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15122 this record]'s Notes a typo? Also, should the publisher be "Museum Press" rather than just "Museum"? Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 07:41, 20 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:yes, those were typos. Thanks for pointing them out. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:45, 21 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== No Boundaries ==<br />
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I added some words to the notes section of http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?287050 No Boundaries that appear on the page opposite the title page to the effect that the book is a first edition, not a reprint. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 17:10, 14 April 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover credit for ''The 7th Annual of the Year's Best S-F'' ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted your updates to {{P|34945|The 7th Annual of the Year's Best S-F}}, but the cover art credit likely needs fixing up. We don't credit designers unless there's no other credit (in which case, we're sort of assuming the designer is the artist). If this cover is essentially a photograph, I think the credit should be solely to the photographer, recording the designer in the notes as you have done. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:59, 6 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Importing contents ==<br />
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I accepted the submission to add contents to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?353078 this record], but the better approach would have been to import the contents from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?45925 this record]. This would have saved someone the trouble of having to merge the records you added to the ones that are already in the database. Before adding contents to a record, you should first check to see if another record has the same contents, or even ''almost'' the same contents, and then use the "Import Contents" function. You can always go back and make changes, or add and delete records, so that it matches your copy of the book. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 14:30, 25 June 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== <i>Star Wars: A New Hope</i> ==<br />
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I've approved your edit of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?32742 this pub], however you'll need to revise the entry for the page count. The Introduction you added to the Contents is on page "v" however at present there is no Roman numeral page count included before the pages. See the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:EditPub#Pages EditPub] Help page if you need information on how to do this. Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 06:55, 7 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:good catch. thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:50, 7 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== BCE of ''The Last Space Ship'' ==<br />
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I accepted the submission to create a record for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?393348 the book club edition] of this title, but wonder where you got the publication date of 1949. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:54, 15 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Didn't know how else to enter it, other than by setting 'year' field to 1949 (matching the copyright date, which in BCE was switched to Roman numerals, perhaps to confirm that edition's copyright was also 1949), and adding comment to effect I didn't know for sure. Is there a standard for handling situations like this? [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 03:32, 16 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Yes. <br />
::#If the publication doesn't specify a date of publication, you can use a secondary source, which you should record in the note field. <br />
::#If you can not find a secondary source for the publication date, you can use the copyright year, but only if you're certain that this is the first printing of the first edition. You still should note that the book is not dated and you've had to resort to the copyright date. <br />
::#If you're not certain that the book is the first edition, or you're certain that the book is '''not''' the first edition (as in the case of a book club edition) and you have no secondary source for the publication date, you should enter 0000-00-00 in the publication date field, which will be displayed as "date unknown".<br />
::Please remember that, in most cases, it's not the edition/publication which is copyrighted. It's the work which is copyrighted. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:07, 16 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::I accepted the date change to 0000-00-00. In doing so, I noticed the publisher is recorded as "Frederick Fell" instead of as "Frederick Fell / BCE". While trying to dig up a help reference for that, I found only "/ SFBC" is mentioned for Science Fiction Book Club editions, with no mention of treatment of other book club editions. Guess I will go bring that up and see. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:09, 16 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::::As far as I know this was not a selection of Doubleday's Science Fiction Book Club, which was founded in 1953. That doesn't mean they could have reprinted it several years later, but no sources give this title as a SFBC selection. Tuck doesn't give a book club of this title at all. It is the IFSDB ''de facto'' standard to use " / BCE" at the end of a publisher's name if the words "Book Club Edition" appear on the book, and it's uncertain that it was a SFBC selection. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 14:04, 16 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::::I added " / BCE" to the publisher on this. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:42, 21 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Dating titles ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?68196 The City on the Edge of Forever]: The ISFDB records the date of first publication of a work, not its date of writing or the date of its production (if it's a play, teleplay or screenplay). So, I'm rejecting the submission to redate this piece to 1966 based on the author's assertion that it was written in that year. We may need to determine if it was first published in 1976, as that is currently the only publication we have of the work. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:16, 30 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::OK, on that basis 1976 is correct date. Both of the intros, by Elwood and by Ellison, are explicit that this is the teleplay's first publication in this, its original unedited form. Thanks for clarification. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:55, 30 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== The Best from Fantasy and Science Fiction: Seventh Series - Data Check ==<br />
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I was doing a verification of {{P|258503|The Best from Fantasy and Science Fiction, Seventh Series}} and I found a few errors that might also be errors for your record copy of {{P|35695|The Best from Fantasy and Science Fiction, Seventh Series}}. Could you please check the title of "Lyric for Atom-Splitters', is it with or without a hyphen between Atom and Splitter? Is "Journey's End" listed with or without an Apostrophe?, and Lastly, is 'Full Circle' listed as by Dorothy Cowles Pinkney, or Dorothy C. Pinkney? - I suspect that all three of these are small typos that have coasted through the database for some time. We can probably fix them all at once ... once everyone checks in. Thanks [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 03:01, 9 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:I did not update your verified pub, but some of the titles in your pub now have variants added. I recommend you double check your verification when you get a chance - Thanks [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 21:55, 18 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::I checked these both in the first hardcover, and in the Ace paperback:<br />
<br> - 1st hardocver has hypen in Atom-Splitters. Ace paperback does not.<br />
<br> - Both have apostrophe in Journey's End.<br />
<br> - Both use 'Dorothy Cowles Pinkney'.<br />
<br>If these need to be corrected, could you please do that? I've not made this type of edit before. BTW, note that I deleted the listing for the Arthur Clarke essay 'Message to the Stars'. It is not in either publication. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 22:00, 19 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Could you please double check on or about page 93. Is section V of Clarke's ''Venture to the Moon'', titled "Who Wrote That Message to the Stars? ...in Letters a Thousand Miles Long?" or is it titled "Watch this Space"? You see the 5 short stories that make up 'Venture to the Moon' were each previously published separately, and in some anthologies are listed as separate pieces, and in other as a single work. Take a look at the record for the book club edition {{P|258503|Best from F&SF Seventh}}. If it has the alternate title, that might be the only place it appears (Since the title record {{T|187572|Who Wrote That Message to the Stars? ...in Letters a Thousand Miles Long?}} is now orphaned and doesn't have any appearances at all). Otherwise if your book does not have that title, we should consider removing the orphan title from the database. [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 14:41, 20 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== The Year's Best Science Fiction & Fantasy 2012 ==<br />
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Replaced amazon scan and expanded notes for your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?383744 here]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 12:46, 11 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Caviar'' ==<br />
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I changed the price field in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?302577 this record] from "21s" to "21/-", the ISFDB standard of entering British shillings. If the price had been 21s/6p, it would have been entered as "21/6". Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:34, 19 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Yefremov's ''Stories'' ==<br />
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Are you certain that the cover art of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33340 this publication] was also done by the same artist that did the interior art? Is he credited inside the book for its dustjacket (which you say your copy doesn't have)? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:37, 19 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:On ABE there are images of the book with dust jacket. The dust jacket art is identical to the embossed image on the front board. The credit "designed and illustrated by ..." seems clear that G. Petrov is responsible for book design, which includes the artwork on front board and dust jacket. However, let's snap to whatever is ISFDB standard. Feel free to edit as appropriate. Thanks.[[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:22, 20 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::In 99% of books in my collection, the term "Book designed by...", when credited on the book's copyright page, refers to the interior design of the book, not the dustjacket cover art. The ISFDB standard is to record credits as given. If you don't have the dustjacket, you can contact someone who does (perhaps the Abebooks dealers) to ask if they would check to see if the dustjacket art is credited. If you're unable to confirm the artist responsible, the field should remain blank. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:24, 20 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::OK. Deleted the attribution for cover art. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:12, 20 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Red Peri'' ==<br />
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If your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?45971 this publication] is a limited edition, it is better to clone the record and create a new publication record for it, making any changes or additions to it, and then do a primary verification of that new record. If you choose to do this, then cancel the submission to update the record for the trade (not limited) edition. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:55, 19 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:OK, cancelled the edit, and will create new entry.[[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:22, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:23, 20 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Third Galaxy Reader ==<br />
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You might want to double check your verified pub {{P|177793|Third Galaxy Reader}}. The work 'End as a World' listed by Floyd. L. Wallace, is listed as by "F. L. Wallace" in my book club edition. Usually these things are from the same printing plates (But sometimes they are not). I'm just recommending a double check. - Thanks [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 02:48, 21 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Good catch. Fixed. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 22:48, 8 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== "Better Than One", by Damon Knight and Kate Wilhelm ==<br />
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Your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4246 verified publication] says that it was published without a dust jacket. This doesn't seem right to me. My copy has a dust jacket, which matches the picture of the book on that page and several other dust jackets on copies offered for sale, hence clearly published with the book. Of course it's possible that the book was published at Noreascon II without a jacket, and then later with a jacket, but that seems inconsistent with other copies available for sale. For example, [http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=86398949&searchurl=isbn%3D0960314601 this copy] for sale has a dust jacket, and is not only signed bu the authors, but is inscribed by Knight, hence seems almost certain to have been purchased at the con and not later. [http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=201840665&searchurl=isbn%3D0960314601 This copy] for sale on Abebooks has a dust jacket and includes the receipt for the book's purchase at Noreascon. Do you have any idea where the claim came from that it was published without a dust jacket? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 12:29, 9 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: I've deleted the note about it being published without a dust jacket. I added a couple of other minor notes. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 11:00, 13 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::I think there are two different editions. See the printing history on the [http://www.nesfa.org/press/Books/KnightWilhelm.htm NESFA website]. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 11:58, 13 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::Good edit, well documented. Thanks for catching and fixing. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:28, 16 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::: I found the right person at NESFA who gave me some details about the printing history. In response to my question about the dust jacket vs. the green book alone, Tony Lewis wrote to me: "The book originally had the plain white dust wrapper. Sometimes this was removed when selling at conventions because it was believed this improved sales." I have added this note to the publication. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 00:34, 5 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::: And in case you're interested, this was in response to the following email question: <br />
::::: "In your web page about this book, you say of the Printing History:<br><br />
::::: "Text cover; No dust jacket or interior artwork. The front cover of the book has the authors' signatures embossed in gold."<br><br />
::::: But most copies of this book have a plain white, text-only, dust jacket. This includes copies which are fairly convincing about being purchased in the original distribution at Noreascon II. Am I incorrectly interpreting your phrase "No dust jacket"? Has the book always had that plain white cover, and that phrase just means there was no "professional, artistic" dust jacket? Or does it really mean that the original edition came with no dust jacket at all? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 00:41, 5 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Adventures in Time and Space ==<br />
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I added the cover artist to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?245825 Adventures in Time and Space]'' along with a note as to its source. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 00:31, 13 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Whispers ==<br />
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Added cover scan and subtitle "An Anthology of Fantasy and Horror" from title page.[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 20:59, 15 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Sturgeon's ''Maturity'' ==<br />
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Is the "Postscript" in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21721 this publication] for the entire collection or just for the preceding story? Whichever one it is should be added parenthetically to disambiguate it, e.g. "Postscript (Maturity)". Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:03, 30 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== File uploads ==<br />
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Please keep your cover image uploads to no more than 150K in size and no more than 600 pixels at its longest side. Exceptions can be made for wraparound cover art, but otherwise you should stay within the prescribed limits. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:14, 2 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Yarbro's ''Cautionary Tales'' ==<br />
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Are the essays that you've added to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6443 this record] entered ''exactly'' as they are titled in the publication (i.e. capitalization and punctuation)? If they are not titled at all, and all just a paragraph or two, it is not necessary to have created content records for them. A note in the pub record would have sufficed. <br />
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Also, you made a subsequent submission that made no changes to the record, only a "Note to Moderator" concerning the untitled poem. You should not make submissions that don't edit a record. In this case, you should have waited until the submission was accepted, and then made the necessary changes to the record. About the title of the poem, you should only title it ''exactly'' as it appears in the collection. If there is no title on the poem itself, but it is titled on the contents page or copyright page, or in the acknowledgements, you can add the title, but note the source of the title in the note field of the poem's title record (and the publication record if you wish.) If there is no title given at all, enter the first line of the poem ''exactly'' as given in the publication. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 08:51, 2 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, each of those essays has a title at top of essay, exactly as I entered them. The poem is untitled on page 207, but Contents page lists "An Indulgence" on page 207, so that must be its title. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:41, 7 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Great. Looks good, although it might be a good idea to note the source of the poem's title so that any future primary verifier doesn't try to remove the title from the record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:24, 7 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Jizzle'' ==<br />
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I accepted the submission to update [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19010 this record], even though you didn't provide a source for your data. I can only assume that you're working from the primary source, since you added the cover arat credit and the page numbers of the contents. If so, please let the moderator know that in the Note to Moderator field, and then do a Primary Verification of the record after the submission is accepted. If you're working from a secondary source, that source should be given in the Note field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:14, 14 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, primary verification. I entered a 2nd primary verification for the publication. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:22, 19 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Flow My Tears'' ==<br />
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You made subsequent submissions to update [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?14027 this record]. If I accept the second submission, all the changes you made in the first will be reverted back to the original data. It's important to wait for each submission that updates the same record be moderated. I'm going to go ahead and accept the second, but then I'll have to go back and return the data you added in the first. Please look at the record once I've finished to confirm that everything you wanted to note is there. I don't think it will be necessary to keep the note about the Abebooks.com dealer because you say that the ISBN is stated in the book itself. The number is invalid, even if it stated (it's a publisher error). The only way to get around that error message is to add a "#" before the number that fools the software into thinking it's a catalog number instead of an ISBN. I'll note this in the Note field. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:03, 19 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Whoah. Now you've made a third. This is going to take some time to figure out just what to keep and what not. Please stop updating this record until I've sorted it out. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:04, 19 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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It's ready to be updated if you need to make any more changes. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:16, 19 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:My sincere apologies for having you jump through those hoops. I didn't understand how your view of the editor worked, and I assumed each edit would make incremental updates. I won't make that mistake again. I reviewed the end state, and you got everything perfect. I see you also put "One Plus One Studio" in the "artist" field. I wasn't sure that a "Studio" would be considered an "artist". Thanks for that fix & clarification. And, again, thanks for sorting out the multiple edits. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:58, 21 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:: "Studio" or "Company" as Cover Artist is one of those things we've not settled. I'm frankly against putting a company in there - after all, filling the field with a new name leads to problems like the new "author" suddenly needing birthdate and birthplace etc. I've not complained too much about this before though, although I recall publications like some of Robert Rankin's - e.g {{P|112471|The Dance of the Voodoo Handbag}} where the author is actually the creator of an item that gets professionally photographed by someone else... we'll get round to sorting out the code in a year or two I'm sure. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 05:15, 21 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Image file upload standards ==<br />
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I've noticed the last few cover images that you've uploaded are at 640 pixels. We ask that image files not exceed the height of 600 pixels (see the standards [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Special:Upload here]). Please set your scanner and/or image software to this limit. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:19, 25 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Replacing image files ==<br />
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You seem to have had some trouble uploading a replacement file for [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:THDNGRTHMM1976.jpg this image]. Whenever you replace a file, you must clear your browser's cache, otherwise the original image is seen regardless of how many times you go to the publication record or the wiki page. Just hit your "F5" button (in most browsers) after you've replaced an image and you'll see the new image. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:40, 11 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Doh! :) Thanks for explanation of what was happening. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:29, 17 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Herbert's ''Direct Descent'' ==<br />
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I've accepted the submission updating [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10218 this record] and agree with your assessment that this should have been typed as a CHAPTERBOOK instead of novel. I've made the appropriate changes in this and all other publication records. A question: is Garcia explicitly credited with the cover art in your edition? My mmpb edition doesn't credit the cover art. Thanks for looking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:12, 17 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:There is no visible signature on the cover or any interior illustrations, and on the copyright page it says, "Illustrations copyright (c) 1980 by Garcia". Just an opinion, but it appears to me the color cover art is stylistically similar to the black-and-white interior illustrations. However, I'd appreciate if you edit the record to align with ISFDB standards in this situation. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 02:36, 17 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::The copyright page statement is rather clear about the illustrations, but without an explicit credit for the cover art, it would be best to leave the field blank. The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10216 UK edition] of this title retained the interior illustrations but had different cover art, which was explicitly credited. I'll remove the cover credit from this record until a time when a credible secondary source supplies further data. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:49, 17 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== File exceeding limits ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:THWNDRFLVS1895.jpg This file] exceeded the limits in both dimensions (800 pixels) and size (196 kb), so I reduced it to be within the ISFDB standards (no more than 600 pixels, and no larger than 150 kb). [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 08:21, 24 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Conklin's Science Fiction Terror Tales ==<br />
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I've expanded the notes to Conklin's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29182 Science Fiction Terror Tales]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 23:23, 6 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== "Dreams That Burn in the Night", by Craig Strete ==<br />
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I corrected the spelling of two stories in the ToC of your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?11454 verified publication]: ''The Night Xenex Sanurian Took a Wallflower to the Prom'' had "Sanvrian" instead of "Sanurian", and ''We All Lived in the Warm Aquarium'' had "Live" instead of "Lived". [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 23:25, 7 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:40, 10 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ESSAY vs NONFICTION ==<br />
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A short piece of nonfiction which is contained in a larger publication should be entered as ESSAY. The type NONFICTION is reserved for book-length works. I've changed several introductions (e.g. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?81624 this one]) which you've entered as NONFICTION to ESSAY. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:21, 8 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for the tip, and for fixing those into listings. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:42, 10 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Notification request ==<br />
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Please don't post any messages on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Mhhutchins/Changes_to_Verified_Pubs this page] without reading the notice. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:10, 11 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== A Treasury of Science Fiction - Conklin ==<br />
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Can you check your copy of http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1319? Mine has a cover price of $3.00 on the dustjacket and you list $3.50. Variant, perhaps?[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 05:24, 23 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Good catch. Was a typo. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:26, 31 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::The original price probably came from Tuck. I added a note about the difference. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 10:06, 31 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== The Best Science Fiction and Fantasy of the Year: Volume Seven ==<br />
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Hello, I've replaced the amazon scan and changed Paul J. McAuley to Paul McAuley for his story in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?407932 this pub]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 16:41, 18 April 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Good-Bye, Robinson Crusoe and Other Stories ==<br />
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I added notes about the publication date and story introductions to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?410315 Good-Bye, Robinson Crusoe]. Also changed the publication date from 2013-04-30 (can't be true) to 2013-04-00. Hope you can agree. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 09:28, 19 April 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::All good edits. I didn't check the pre-existing information carefully enough when verifying & updating. Appreciate the catches. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:18, 20 April 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== "Forward" or "Foreword" ==<br />
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Please confirm the spelling of the title on pag 7 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15737 this publication]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:27, 15 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, it's "Forward". [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 17:25, 18 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::I will make a note of its unusual spelling so that other editors won't have to ask the question again. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:07, 18 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Interior artwork ==<br />
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Interior artwork should be titled the same as the work they illustrate. Do not use the term "interior artwork" in the title as that is explicit in the type of the record. Please correct the titles of the mistitled interior artwork credited to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?166485 John Polgreen] in the Willy Ley books. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:33, 18 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Editors v. authors ==<br />
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By ISFDB standards, the editors of NONFICTION- and ANTHOLOGY-typed publications are considered the "author" of the work, unlike the editors of NOVEL- and COLLECTION-typed publications who can only be credited in the Note field. That was how the software was designed (long before most of us started working here). I suppose it was simpler to create a single field to record the credit for the one(s) who were most responsible for the work, without creating multiple fields to record individual roles for each publication. Maybe one day the software will be updated to create more fields with more finely defined roles of responsibility: editor (for novels and collections), translator, adaptor, etc. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:54, 20 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''A Visitor from Outer Space'' ==<br />
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I changed the editor field credit of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?192849 this record] from "Anonymous" to "uncredited", the ISFDB standard for an anthology which doesn't credit the editor of the work. It now matches the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?593549 title record]. If this was incorrect, and the editor is actually credited as "Anonymous" on the book's title page, please make a submission to change it back. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:21, 12 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Strange Signposts'' ==<br />
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I've changed the notes of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33537 this record] to conform to standard ISFDB entry of the LCCN and OCLC record numbers. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:55, 17 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Art of George R.R. Martin's A Song of Ice & Fire'' ==<br />
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Re: your note. You may add the interior art that you like to add. There's really no need to add all of them. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:13, 22 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Unfettered'' ==<br />
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If you wish to remove content titles from a publication record, go to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?400295 the record] and click on the link "Remove Titles From This Pub" under the Editing Tools menu. On the next page, you have the option of removing any of the contents by checking its box. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:57, 6 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Done. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 05:18, 8 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== "Catastrophic Disruption of the Head" variant ==<br />
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Hi. I have your submission that would make {{T|1620354|this}} a variant of {{T|1403006|this}} on hold. I freely admit I could be looking right at it, but why a variant instead of merging them? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:54, 20 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::You're right, should have merged. Just took care of that. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:34, 20 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Beyond Tomorrow'' ==<br />
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Please move your primary verification to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?425111 this record]. I cloned it from the record which you had updated, which should have remained as the first printing of the title. (There's a record for the library edition at a different price). When you've PV'd the new record, remove it from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4428 the original record] to which I've restored the original data. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:55, 5 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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BTW, I noticed that the essay "More Good Reading in Science Fiction" is on page 333, while the OCLC record, the LCCN, and Reginald all give the page count as 332. Is that last page numbered? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:00, 5 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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OK, I see that the [http://lccn.loc.gov/65020251 LCCN] gives a "Bibliography" on page "[333]" which means it is unnumbered. The way to enter this situation in a record is to give the page count as "xv+333+[1]" and then give the content page number in brackets: "[333]". Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:03, 5 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Interesting. Good to know. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:15, 6 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Worlds of Wonder ==<br />
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I added some notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55452 Worlds of Wonder]. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 19:11, 8 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Great addition. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:26, 9 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== The Toymaker ==<br />
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I added some words to the notes for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48774 The Toymaker]. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 18:47, 12 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks. I've added Currey's description of first printings, plus description of another jacket variant I've got that wasn't in Chalker's list. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:11, 17 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Strange Worlds ==<br />
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I added some notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33570 Strange Worlds]. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 18:12, 13 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Toymaker ==<br />
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Yes, there should be separate records for different editions of [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48774 this]] --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 17:29, 18 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover image for ''The Immortal Storm'' ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:THMMRTLSTR1954.jpg This file] at 172 kb was over the requested limit of 150 kb. So I re-sized it to meet the standard. Please keep this size limit in mind when uploading cover image files in the future. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:11, 8 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Editor's Choice in Science Fliction'' ==<br />
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I'm holding the submission to update [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?11964 this record]. We ordinarily do not create individual content records for an editor's untitled story introductions. (Imagine the thousands that have been published over the years and the ISFDB records that would have to updated if such a practice became standard.) It's usually sufficient to note the presence of such introductions in the record's Note field. Is there anything about the ones in this book which would make them extraordinary?<br />
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Also, we do not add information to Note fields which is specific to one copy of a publication, including a personal inscription. If it adds value to the record, it can be added to a Bibliographic Comments page (there's a link on each pub record that creates such a page.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:32, 8 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Oh, I see now these pieces are NOT written by the anthology's editor but by the editor who originally purchased the story. Now I can see the value in that. I'll accept the submission, but remove the redundant "untitled" part. The parentheses already indicates that there is no title. (I'll remove the note about the inscription and leave it to you if you wish to create a comments page.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:46, 8 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Yes, that's why I typed them all in. Glad you kept them. :) Thanks for response on the inscription. Policy makes sense. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 05:55, 9 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''"What Will They Think of Last"'' ==<br />
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I accepted the submission adding contents to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?401840 this record], before I realized that you've credited the contents to "H. L. Gold", while the book is credited to Horace L. Gold. How is the author credited on the book's title page? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:18, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Book credit is Horace L. Gold. It's my understanding that, if I had credited all the essays to that name, then there'd be dozens of records to setup as alternate versions for the same title by H. L. Gold. That seemed like a lot of unnecessary work and a lot of unnecessary records in the database. So I figured I'd just credit them to match the existing records for all those essays. The book credit is clear, so it seemed totally unambiguous to do it that way. That said ... I'll leave it to you to decide whether to change all those authors to Horace L. Gold. Your call. Sorry about making extra work if that's what you decide. If you do that and want me to setup all the alternate listing connections to the exiting essay records, then just say so. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 02:56, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::It's not my call. It's an ISFDB standard to record work as credited, regardless of how much effort there may be in creating variants. I'll do it. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:03, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::OK, I'll edit the story records. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 03:20, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::Wow, you already did it! I hope it wasn't as much work as I thought it would be. Thanks for taking care of that, and thanks for explaining the ISFDB standard for this. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 03:23, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Actually, I'm only about half finished. The variants have to be made and I'm still working on those. Unlike the single submission to change the author credit of each content record in the essay collection, now each of them has to be individually varianted to the original title record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:29, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Something just occurred to me: since you made the author credit conform, is it possible you also made the titles conform? It's odd that each of them were exactly as the title already in the database. Even one that was titled "Editor's Page: To the Hills!", the original one of which had the column name in the title. If the titles in the collection (as they appeared on the essay's title page, not on the book's table of contents), please make corrections. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:36, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Yes, I did add "Editor's Page:" to "To the Hills!" to match, but I see you fixed that. All of the others were titled exactly as the ISFDB records, including punctuation, with the exception of "QWERTYUIOP". The ISFDB record for that is spelled with a "U" instead of "W", which I suspect is a typo but I don't have that copy of Galaxy to confirm. This has been (yet another) good learning experience. Really appreciate your attention to detail. I'll emulate in future. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 03:50, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::You could have posted a message on the primary verifier's talk page asking about the spelling of that piece in the magazine. I'll do that for you. Two more questions: Is "The Riches of Embarrassment" fiction or essay? There's a record in the database of a piece published in Galaxy, April 1968 with the same title verified as fiction. Also, there were two editorials with the title "Of All Things", in the issues for June 1953 and December 1959. Does the essay collection give the dates of the original essays publications so that you can confirm that the piece here is the 1953 piece? (I've already varianted it to the 1953 piece, because that's the date you gave the reprint.) Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:59, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I know you'll be glad when we're done with this entry. :) "Riches of Embarrassment" is an essay. The essays do not have individual credits, just a credit on copyright page "Copyright 1950 through 1961". However, the essay mentions a March 1958 magazine, so it must be the December 1959 version. I've edited the book listing. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:26, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::I'll need to correct the variant then. I'll ask the verifier of the April 1968 to check on "Riches..." to determine if it's the same as this essay. Can you give me the first sentence of the piece? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:49, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::It's likely they're the same, and I can see why another reader might validly consider it fiction. First sentence is, "The Costellos, two great little people well under five feet tall, had moved out of the one-bedroom apartment to the left of mine, and my neighbors and I wondered apprehensively who would move in." It's in Gold's first-person voice, and it tells an amusing mundane story about an easily offended neighbor. However, it does have a snarky SFnal denouement: "In ten years of ceaseless research, I have never found any discussion, much less theory, concerning the power that Miss McGivney clearly possessed. This can therefore be counted a First. Here it is: Using a previously unknown and unsuspected ESP faculty of the mind, Miss McGivney unconsciously manufactured embarrassing incidents." After that is a paragraph using this conceit to lampoon the neighbor, ending with "Poor world of Miss McGivney!" So, now that you know the contents, I'm curious: in ISFDB is this considered an essay or short fiction? (And at this point it won't surprise me if there actually is an official standard. :) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:08, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Orbit 19'' ==<br />
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You'll have to also change the dates of each of the content records in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25113 this publication]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:26, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::done [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 03:42, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== LCCN ==<br />
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When entering the stated Library of Congress Catalog Card, Library of Congress Catalog Number, or Library of Congress Control Number (its latest incarnation), it should be entered in the format "LCCN: xxxxxx" This will help if or when the time comes when the LCCN gets its own field, and the universal change can be made instead of having to update each publication record. I've corrected the format in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?26450 this record], and linked it to the LoC's website record. Linking isn't required but very beneficial. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:27, 28 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Battle on Mercury'' ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?429943 this publication]: Is the piece "Life in a Dome" a nonfiction essay, or is it a fictional introduction to the story, making it part of the novel, and thus not eligible as a separate work? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:10, 13 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::It's a nonfiction essay. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:04, 28 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''In the Wake of Man'' ==<br />
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If there is no explicit editor credit for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18137 this publication], the publication record should reflect that. If there is sufficient and strong evidence that Elwood was the anonymous editor, we can make the title into a variant credited to him. This is the ISFDB standard for crediting uncredited responsibility. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:13, 13 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Only mention of Elwood in the book is on copyright page as copyright holder, and there is no editor credit. Seems those 2 facts would justify making it a variant so that users researching Elwood could link to this book. But it's your call. Feel free to edit, or just let me know what to do. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:20, 13 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for checking the secondary sources. Nice edit. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 20:31, 13 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::I've removed the editor credit from the publication record, added a note that Elwood holds the copyright, and made the editor record into a variant by Elwood. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:59, 13 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Planet Earth ==<br />
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Is Wyler's <i>Planet Earth</i> speculative fiction related? It sounds like a science book, not speculative fiction related non-fiction. If so, it doesn't qualify for inclusion. Her one included non-genre non-fiction book is included as it was reviewed in a speculative fiction magazine. That doesn't seem to be the case here. Am I missing something? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:20, 20 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::OK, I wasn't clear on the boundary. Was just adding a similar pub to a listed author's record. The book has early 'space age' context and a 10-page section discussing satellites and what it would be like to travel to the moon, but it is not otherwise related to speculative fiction. Sorry to bother you with it. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:19, 20 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::No problem. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 23:39, 20 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Foundation'' ==<br />
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The notes you want to add to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?215633 this record] seem to apply to a later printing. If so, a new record should be created. You didn't source the change so I'm not certain if you're working from the actual edition that this record is for, or a later printing. If you think a new record should be created, cancel the submission I have on hold. Thanks. 21:58, 27 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I've got the July 1978 printing that I referenced, and I've seen other printings of the 1963 Doubleday reprint edition, both in bookshops and online. They've all got the Zimmerman jacket, and later printings have the same ISBN. Thought it made sense to add that info to the root record for first edition of the 1963 printing, then clone it to produce separate listing for my 1978 printing. But it's your call. If my edits to the 1963 record are inappropriate then please decline the edit. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:03, 28 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::There's no such thing as a "root" publication record. Each publication record is distinct and is tied to a title record which could be considered the "root". There is no purpose in providing data in a publication record about a later printing for which you'll be creating a publication record. The record for that later printing will speak for itself. Notes should be specific to the printing for which the record was created. I'll reject the submission. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:06, 28 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::OK. I'll add record for my July 1978 printing. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:18, 28 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Analog 1 ==<br />
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The OCLC record you note in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2535 this record] does not give 1961 as the copyright year, but the year of publication. (Also, don't forget to add a colon after "OCLC" and before the record number.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:10, 28 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I inherited that OCLC statement from whoever setup the record, and just added the word "incorrectly" since I was verifying the publication date. I'll edit to fix per your direction. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:22, 28 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::I accepted the submission, but reverted it to show the incorrect dating of the OCLC record. If you're going to give a secondary source in the Note field, you should note any exceptions between that source and the actual book. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:15, 28 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Analog 5'' ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2539 This publication] is not in a publication series. Its [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1017310 title] is in a title series. You'll have to remove the publication series from the record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:48, 28 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::done. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 03:58, 28 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Analog 6'' ==<br />
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Can you see if there is a book club id number on the back flap of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2540 this publication]'s dustjacket? It should be a four-digit number either in the high 1900s or low 2000s. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:52, 28 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Yes, it was there. Edited record. Thanks for catching this. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 03:59, 28 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Atlas Printing of From Unknown Worlds ==<br />
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I've added the price for ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?292561 From Unknown Worlds]''. I've also removed the note about the price clipped jacket. Happily my copy was not clipped so I was able to provide the data. I've additionally corrected the page count (it was 128) and added an item for the interior artwork. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:37, 31 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Very much appreciated. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:24, 3 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Delany & Chaykin's ''Empire'' ==<br />
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I changed the type of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?382643 this record] from NOVEL to CHAPTERBOOK and added a content record for Delany's fiction. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:22, 25 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Copyright date vs. Publication date ==<br />
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The ISFDB publication record provides the date of publication, not the year of copyright. If there is no '''stated''' publication date, only use the year of copyright after all secondary sources have been exhausted. If you do so, note that the date is from the copyright statement, because of the lack of a publication statement. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:52, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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The source for the 1958 date of ''Teen-Age Super Science Stories'' was probably [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/ISFAC/t38.htm#A828 Locus1]. Tuck and the LCCN give the year as 1957, so I've accepted the submissions. I'll update the record to note the source of the date. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:57, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I will have to reject your submission to clone the original pub, because it was submitted before the ones changing the date of the contents were accepted. If I accept the clone submission, all of the stories' dates will revert to 1958. Keep this in mind when making simultaneous submissions that contain changes in content records. Also, are you certain that the Grosset & Dunlap edition came out the same year as the Lantern Press edition? According to Tuck, the discounted edition was published in 1958, although he doesn't credit Grosset as the publisher. As I said above, if your book doesn't have an explicit statement of publication, you must use a reliable secondary source. If there is no source, and knowing this was published by another publisher in the year of copyright, it is better to just zero out the date to have it displayed as "unknown". Grosset & Dunlap books, to the best of my knowledge, rarely gave a publication date, as they reprinted "cheap" editions of titles. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:08, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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To avoid your having to rebuild another submission, I'll do that from the data you provided in the rejected clone submission. Here is the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?433460 new record]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:10, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for corrections and explanations. Every edit is a learning opportunity. :) FWIW, I don't have a copy of Tuck, so went with the 1957 copyright date. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:28, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::You can update the record's date and give Tuck as the source. Or zero it out, based on the fact that it was published in the same year by another publisher. If you need to look up anything in Tuck, leave a message on my talk page. No problem. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:26, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Publication dates from various sources ==<br />
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If a book provides a publication date, then unless we believe there's a printing error of some sort or that the book is reprinting an earlier edition's statement of printing, what we see printed in the book trumps what other sources say. So I think for {{P|25124|Orbit 8}}, December from the dust jacket's 7012 should be used instead of Contento's October. The only question would be whether yours could be a later printing. I will see if the other moderators have an opinion about changing the date (which then would also affect the dates on the stories). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:43, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Two firm opinions agreeing with me, so I will change the date to December (your notes already cover the situation nicely). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 17:14, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Paul Lehr / ''Orbit 9'' ==<br />
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I accepted your changes to {{P|25125|Orbit 9}}, but I restored the Paul Lehr cover art credit based on the notes from the 1971 Berkley Medallion edition that has the same cover artwork. There someone found confirmation of the artist in Jane Frank's ''Science Fiction and Fantasy Artists of the Twentieth Century''. I copied that note into the notes in this edition. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:56, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks. I really didn't want to delete the Lehr reference because it's obviously his artwork. I'm delighted that you could document the attribution. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 20:02, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Red Mars'' excerpt ==<br />
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Is the excerpt titled "Festival Night (excerpt from Red Mars)" on page 47 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23493 this publication]? Or is it simply "Festival Night"? If this is the first publication of this excerpt under this title, it should have the date of the publication in which it was first published (April 1995), not the date of the work from which it was excerpted. Although this may not be specifically documented in the help pages, it is my belief that the fact that it is a new title that it deserves to be dated when first published as this title. If the excerpt had the same title of the work, then there would be a stronger case for dating them the same. If you disagree, please start a discussion on the Rules & Standards discussion page. Also, I rejected the submission to change the publication record. If you change a title record, it is automatically changed in the publication record, so there's no need to do two submissions. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:18, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:As always, thanks for the coaching on ISFDB standards. In Nebula Awards 29, the title page, and the story title on page 47, says "Festival Night from Red Mars". The copyright acknowledgment is, "'Festival Night,' an excerpt from the novel 'Red Mars' ...." It appears whoever entered the ISFDB record for trade paper of Nebula Awards 29 added the parentheses around "from Red Mars". [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:34, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::If the "from Red Mars" part is in a different size font and/or on a different line it's considered a subtitle and should be entered as "Festival Night: from Red Mars". [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:52, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::"from" is in different font and "Red Mars" is same font as "Festival Night" except italicized. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 22:10, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Nebula Awards 29'' ==<br />
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Sorry I had to reject your submission which updated [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23494 this record] because it would have taken too much work to merge all of the newly created content records with the ones that are already in the database. (I'm also sorry for the time you took in entering all of those contents unnecessarily.) The best way to handle such a situation is to remove all titles from the record, and then import the contents from the record which contains as close as possible to the contents in the one you're working on. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23493 This one] for example. I'll do that for you and then let you make any changes to match your publication. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:47, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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BTW, according to the OCLC record, this book has xii+307 pages, and also published under the Harvest imprint. If so, the publisher should be given as "Harvest / Harcourt Brace". Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:50, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Same situation with the imprint used for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23495 Nebula Awards 30]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:53, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I'm holding a submission to update [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23498 Nebula Awards 32], another one in which again you're adding content for records already in the database (see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23499 this record]). Please let me know if you understand the import procedure which I'm talking about. I can walk you through the process if necessary. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:05, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::You say "content ... already in the database", but the titles I added were not (still are not) in the hardcover listing I was editing. Since there were just a few titles missing, I thought it faster to add them rather than delete all & import all. For titles I added, I tried to enter exactly as in the trade paper listing by doing cut-and-paste from the Title data. (If you spotted any variance from the canonical Title data, then those would be typos I need to correct.) I've never used the "Import Content" tool, but sure I can figure it out. Let me know if there's a reason to use it versus the process I followed. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:29, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::They may not be in the publication record, but the titles you are adding '''are''' already in the database: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1056010 Keeping Up] by Elizabeth Hand; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1056011 Must Have Been Something I Ate] by Lucius Shepard; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1056012 Interactive Science Fiction: 1996] by Keith Ferrell; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1056013 The British Scene (Nebula Awards 32)] by Ian Watson, etc. etc. By adding another identical title record to the database, you have to make another submission to merge them. Doing the importing of these titles to another publication record, you can avoid the follow-up submissions. And each merge requires a separate submission. That means you'll have to make nine more submissions to "fix" this record, when importing them would have taken only two submissions: remove and import. If there were only a couple of duplicate titles, it would be easier to use the new "Import Titles" function, where you can list the title record numbers of each of the titles to be duplicated. But when there are as many as nine records to import, I think the procedure I've explained would be better. Regardless, I'm going to accept the submission, and then ask you to merge the records. This may help you see why the method I explain is the better choice. I'm not saying you CAN'T add duplicate titles. I'm just trying to explain an easier way to do it. Personally, I'd rather not have to deal with accepting multiple submissions when only one or two would have done the same thing. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:57, 1 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::NOW I get it. :) Thanks for your patience. I've merged all the new records I created. I really appreciate the coaching. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:26, 1 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::I did the "delete all" & "import contents" process for http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23508. I'll complete editing the record once those edits are accepted ... or you let me know if I did something wrong. Thanks for your patience. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:09, 1 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::Very good. Thank you. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:57, 1 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::Amidst all of the others, perhaps you overlooked my question about the page count and the imprint. I see you've removed Harvest as the imprint used on these Nebula Award anthologies, while most of the OCLC records indicate them as "A Harvest Original". Can you re-check to see that this is not the case in your copies? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:17, 1 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::"Harvest" is an imprint Harcourt uses for paperback and trade paper editions. I've got 4 Harcourt trade paper Nebula Awards books. Numbers 20 & 22 say "A Harvest/HBJ Book" on the back, and "Harcourt Brace Jovanovich" on back, title page & copyright page. Numbers 31 & 33 say "A Harvest Original" on back and title page, and "Harcourt Brace & Company" on back, title page, and copyright page. In ISFDB, for 20 & 22 I entered "Harcourt Brace Jovanovich", following the examples of trade paper editions of Nebula 20-26 (excepting un-verified 23, which uses "Harvest/HBJ".) For 31, I entered "Harvest/Harcourt Brace" following the examples of Nebula 32-33. (BTW, I believe the hardcover Nebula 33 probably has incorrect publisher, since I've never seen "Harvest" used on a hardcover Harcourt book.) FWIW, I checked all the Publisher listings in ISFDB for "Harvest", but didn't see any consistent pattern in how the 5 Harvest/Harcourt variants are used. Given this info (and apologies if it's TMI), I'll be glad to edit my verified books any way you think appropriate. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:28, 1 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::The rule of thumb is to use the publisher as stated on the title page. In the case of some publishers who publish simultaneous hardcover and trade paperback editions (like Harcourt's Nebula volumes), the trade paperback may have a different imprint. If that's the case, then use the ISFDB standard of "Imprint / Publisher". I see there are currently three different variants of the Harvest imprint in the database: published by HBJ (1977 - 1992), Harvest / Harcourt Brace (1993 - 2000), and Harcourt (1999-2008). If any of your verified pubs are trade paperbacks, please check to see if any fall within this range and use the appropriate imprint. If they are hardcovers, use the publisher as stated on the title page. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:28, 4 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Foreword to ''Brave New World'' ==<br />
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Hi, I have found a possible hint that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?363765 your edition] may actually be from 1949. In my edition Huxley's Foreword has the signum '1949 A. H.' at its end. Could you please take a look if that is the case here? Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:37, 1 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Interesting. Mine has no signum at end of Foreword. It's possible you've got a 1949 edition with updated Foreword. Here are some 'points' on my copy:<br />
::- On front jacket "a new edition of a famous novel with a special introduction by the author"<br />
::- From blurb on back flap of dust jacket: "... in his foreword written especially for this edition ....", "He notes that fifteen years ago ....", "... the foreshadowed possibilities of fifteen years ago ...."<br />
::- Ad on back of dust jacket for Huxley's book 'Ape and Essence' begins, "Sixteen years ago Aldous Huxley's Brave New World was a literary bomb ...."<br />
::- Opening sentence of Foreword: "Chronic remorse , as all the moralists are agreed, is a most undesirable sentiment."<br />
::- Beginning of last paragraph of Foreword on page xix: "All things considered it looks as though Utopia were far closer to us than anyone, only fifteen years ago, could have imagined."<br />
::- Closing sentence of Foreword: "You pays your money and you takes your choice."<br />
:If your copy differs from any of these points, or from any of the other info about mine in the ISFDB record, then you should enter as a new edition. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:55, 1 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::Well, my edition isn't from that early at all, but the notion "Sixteen years ago Aldous Huxley's Brave New World was a literary bomb ...." does indeed speak for a later publication than 1946, since the novel was first published in 1932, doesn't it? Also, ''Ape and Essence'' was published only in 1948, which is also a clear hint for later publication (they wouldn't place an ad two years in advance). The copyright really is only the year the copyright was assigned and has nothing to do with the year of publication per se. In this light (taking the notion of 1949 for the Foreword into consideration) a publication year of 1949 seems all to reasonable, I think (still pretty early!). And I do believe that this is the first edition featuring the specially written Foreword. Shall I adapt the publication (and the title record for the Foreword)? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:06, 2 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::Good points. I hadn't checked publication date of 'Ape and Essence'. So I agree my book was likely published in 1948 or later. But how do we explain the fact it does not have a signum on the Foreword like yours? Does your book have all the points I listed? [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:50, 3 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Well, at some point later in time it must have been a possible need (for Huxley or the publisher) to mark that this Foreword wasn't part of the original publication in 1932. So this signum was added to emphasize it was written and/or published in 1949. I'll try to capture our state of knowledge in the publication's notes. Please take a look if it is to your liking. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:03, 4 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Good edits. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:59, 4 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Analog 2'' ==<br />
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Can you check to see if there is a gutter code present in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2536 this edition]? It should be visible in the gutter of the last page of text or one of the preceding pages. Thanks for looking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:54, 27 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:No gutter code in my copy. However, it has been re-bound by a library, omitting any pages which might have followed page 275 and its blank reverse, so it's possible there's a gutter code on an un-numbered page after 275. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:56, 28 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Darn! Guess it didn't hurt to ask. Thanks anyway. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:37, 28 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Atomic Story'' ==<br />
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In contrast with the cover credit, is the author credited as a "Jr." on the title page of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?274217 this book]? Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:18, 28 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Good catch. No "Jr" on title page, either. It appears only once, in first use of Campbell's name on back of dust jacket. All other appearances of his name are sans "Jr". FWIW, the bio info on jacket downplays SF editing and refers to him as a "science writer", so omission of "Jr" appears intentional. Any recommended editing sequence to correcting the title record and the book record, and connecting them back to the canonical Campbell record? (Or, is this something you might do quicker than me? :) ) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:01, 28 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::It is a multi-submission process, so it would be quicker if I did it. If you ever want to try your hand at it, here are the steps:<br />
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::*Edit the publication record to make the Author1 Field match the publication's title page credit. Because this is a non-container type record without any other publication records under the same title record, you can also update the content title record at the same time. Submit.<br />
::*If there were more than one publication attached to the title record, or if it were a container type record (ANTHOLOGY, COLLECTION, OMNIBUS), you'd have to make another submission to "Unmerge" this publication record from its title record. <br />
::*Once the first submission has been moderated, you go to its title record and create a variant title record using the "Make This Title A Variant Title" function, replacing the credited author's name with canonical author's name in the Author1 Field at the bottom of the variant screen. Submit.<br />
::[[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:46, 28 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== I added the Canadian price to your verified ==<br />
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I added the Canadian price to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?410432].[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 05:13, 23 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Strange Ports of Call'' ==<br />
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I'm holding your submission to change the Price field of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33526 this record]. Shouldn't the stated price be given and then the stickered price be noted? (That's ordinarily the ISFDB standard.) In any event, it should be discussed with the other primary verifier '''before''' making a submission to change it. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:46, 26 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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I see you left a message [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Rtrace/Changes_to_Verified_Pubs here], but if you will read [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace the verifier's notification preference] you'll see that page is to notify him if you've "added a COVER IMAGE or NOTES..." Any other changes to data fields should be posted on his talk page, and, as I said above, before submitting a change. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:50, 26 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::Posted note to http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace. I'm not clear on your comment that the $4.00 price printed on the jacket should be "given" and the $3.75 price which is often found stamped on the jacket should be "noted". Thought that's what I did. Can you please clarify ... or, if easier, just fix my edit? [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:29, 27 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::::By "given" I meant entered into the ISFDB record's Price field. By "noted" I meant that it should be entered into the ISFDB record's Note field. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:14, 27 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::The only thing that gives me pause about the edit is that Tuck lists the price as $3.75. Unfortunately, neither Currey nor Contento mention the price at all. My copy is clipped with the stamped price, as you describe. Because of the Tuck listing I could speculate that the intent was to sell the book at $3.75 with the %4.00 price being a misprint. However, that's purely speculation. I don't really have a problem with the edit, but we should probably expand the note stating the price in Tuck. After Michael approves the edit, I can further expand the notes and mention that my copy has the altered price. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 01:41, 27 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::::I'll accept the submission, but believe that the stated price should be the entered into the Price field. But it's not my record. I'll let you two decide, but make sure the notes make everything clear. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:16, 27 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Just submitted an edit to Notes with reference to Tuck. Agree it's not clear which price to put in price field. However, even if the $4.00 price was a mistake, that's what P&C printed on the jacket, and there are instances of the book with un-clipped jackets, so it seems clear the $3.75 price followed the $4.00 price. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 03:17, 27 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::::::I remembered a few more places to research this, but unfortunately it muddies things a bit more. Derleth's own [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1358178 bibliography] lists this book with the $3.75 price. The review in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?281181 Spring 1948] issue of ''The Arkham Sampler'' has the #4.00 price, whereas the review in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?60718 November 1948] issue of ''Startling Stories'' has the $3.75 price. I have one other of the reviews (from ''Amazing'') but it doesn't have the price. I'm going to expand the notes. I don't have a problem with the $4.00 price in the metadata field. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:15, 27 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Design ==<br />
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I've never seen dustjacket art credited in the interior of the book as "Design by..." as you've noted in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35919 this record]. It always means the book design, not the dustjacket design. Is there cover art credit on the dustjacket itself? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:22, 27 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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I have the same concerne with the cover art credit you've given in all of the last set of submissions. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:25, 27 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::Reason I was submitting these edits are (1) I'd previously submitted 3 edits with art by Sidney Solomon noting "Design by Sidney Solomon", and they had been accepted; and (2) I noted that the art on all these jackets designed by Sidney Solomon are clearly by the same artist when you look at them side-by-side. However, if the ISFDB standard is "designed by ..." may not be used as art credit, then I'll go back and edit all of these to leave the artist blank. Your call. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:36, 27 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::I've deleted all art credits I'd submitted based on "Designed by". I apologize for making you do all this extra work. Note that the only "Sidney Solomon" art credit left is http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?42862, which is not my edit or verification. FWIW, I do have a copy of that book, and its only credit for Sidney Solomon is "Designed by". FWIW, that's why I originally entered a Sidney Solomon art credit for my BCE. In any case, thanks for the guidance on this. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 05:01, 27 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::I'll accept the submissions to remove the credit and ask the verifier of the last credit about his reasoning for giving Solomon cover art credit. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:28, 27 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::I see that you didn't move the credit to the Note field to acknowledge the book's design credit. It's not required, but it might be a good idea in this case to avoid any future conflict in credit. Your call. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:30, 27 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== The Saliva Tree and Other Strange Growths ==<br />
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Does the word <i>Strange</i> appear on the title page of [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?46442 this]] edition? A [[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Bluesman#The_Saliva_Tree_by_Aldiss discussion]] about the Sphere editions shows it's there on a false title page but not the real title page [in the paperbacks]. Thanks for checking. --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 04:53, 28 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::Yes. The full subtitle "and other strange growths" is not on the half-title page, but it IS on the title page, and the jacket front, and the jacket flap. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 08:45, 1 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover Image for "Away from the Here and Now", by Clare Winger Harris ==<br />
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The cover image for your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3412 Away from the Here and Now] is (was) an impressive 1367 X 1534 pixels large. The ISFDB standards limit cover images to be at most 600 pixels in either direction, so I have scaled the picture (presumably from you) to the standard size and replaced the previous image. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:31, 7 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks. I posted a handful of uncompressed images in my early days on ISFDB, but don't have records to find and fix. Appreciate you fixing this one. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:45, 7 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::: If you wanted to check, on the main "isfdb.org" page, menu bar on the left, the last item under the first section ("Logged in as") is "My Primary Verifications". If you go to that page, it will show you all of the verifications you've done. The list is deliberately in chronological order, oldest first, because many of us have wanted to go back at look at those early attempts and re-consider whether we did them right. It's a bit of work, but I know in my own case that doing that helped me clean up a bunch of mistakes I made that the moderators didn't catch. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:55, 7 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== "The Hunting of the Snark" ==<br />
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Hi. I believe your proposed 1876 MacMillan hardcover duplicates {{P|356426|this entry}}. I have the submission on hold. See what you think. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:29, 10 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Good catch. Thanks. Hadn't seen it in the chapbooks section. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:01, 11 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== "Glass Future" ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1674116 this record]: we now have a dedicated field in the title record which creates a direct link from the ISFDB record when you give the full URL of the webpage. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:21, 12 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Derleth's Beachheads in Space ==<br />
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Several of the stories in Derleth's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3779 Beachheads in Space]'' are listed with the incorrect title or form of the author's name. I am changing the following:<br />
*"The Star" that we have by "David H. Keller, M.D." should be by David H. Keller<br />
*"Beachhead" that we have by "Clifford D. Simak" should be by Clifford Simak<br />
*"Meteor" that we have by "John Beynon" should be by John Beynon Harris<br />
*"And the Walls Came Tumbling Down" should have an ellipsis at the end of the title.<br />
*"The Ambassadors from Venus" that we have by "Kendall Foster Crossen" should be by Kendell Foster Crossen, though the misspelling exists in the table of contents. The name is correct on the title page.<br />
*"To People a New World" that we have by "Nelson S. Bond" should be by Nelson Bond<br />
I'll go ahead an make the changes. Let me know if you disagree or have any questions about any of them. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 05:44, 24 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:08, 24 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== "Away From the Here and Now", by Clare Winger Harris ==<br />
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I added a couple of notes to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3412 verified book], and corrected the name of one story from "Menace from Mars" to "Menace of Mars". [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 00:21, 14 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Good additions. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 02:36, 14 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Marooned on Mars ==<br />
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Hi, Could you please check whether your verified copy of {{P|181641|Marooned on Mars}} is indeed #5 in the Winston Science Fiction series, as is suggested on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_Science_Fiction Wikipedia] and given on [http://www.librarything.com/work/791918 LibraryThing]?--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 10:29, 17 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:it is likely #5 since there are 4 other Winston titles listed on back: Son of the Stars, Five Against Venus, Find the Feathered Serpent, and Earthbound. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 14:26, 18 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Rocket Jockey ==<br />
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Hi, same kind of request, now for {{P|28402|Rocket Jockey}} by 'Philip St. John', aka Lester del Rey. It would be #7 of the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Series:Winston_Science_Fiction Winston Scence Fiction Series], according to [http://www.librarything.com/publisherseries/Winston+Science+Fiction LibraryThing].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 19:28, 17 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:It's definitely one of the first 10 since published in 1952, but all 10 of the 1952 Winston's are listed on back of jacket, so no evidence that it's #7. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 14:27, 18 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Conditionally Human'': novelette and/or novella? ==<br />
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Re: Walter M. Miller, Jr.'s SHORTFICTION published [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55704 here]. Do you have the opportunity to take a look if there's a note that this is an expansion of its first publication in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?58498 Galaxy]? There it might have been a novelette, but judging from the length in your verified book and later publications it surely is a NOVELLA at least from that time on. Alas, both of the primary verifiers of the issue of Galaxy aren't active anymore (and one of them probably installed the NOVELETTE length). Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:14, 27 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:The editors' intro confirms "minor or even major revisions" by the authors to "most" of the stories, with one (they don't say which) getting "a substantial new episode". (I'll add the full quote to the book's listing.) Using the magazine info in isfdb I compared magazine vs book page counts for the 5 stories, and from that data it looks feasible that both Leinster's story (79% more pages in book) and 'Conditionally Human' (91% more pages) were lengthened from novelette to novella. By comparison, the other 3 stories gained 28%, 22% and 35%. Of course, I can't verify the magazine page counts, so this data is suspect. However, it seems the additional data from later publications of Miller's story should be sufficient to change it to a novella variant. As you've probably already checked, Contento lists both the Leinster and the Miller as novelettes. I'll be interested to see what you decide. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:33, 29 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:FWIW I checked the intros & story credits in the other 2 Bleiler & Dikty "Year's Best Science Fiction Novels", and found no mentions of stories being modified. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:07, 29 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
:: Roberson in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?347523 this reference book] indicates that the novella was "slightly revised" for its inclusion in the collection. The wording also seems to point to a novella lenght in both cases. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 19:39, 29 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::Thank you very much to both of you. I'll install an informational item on the Community Portal. A similar case will there be made for Miller, Jr.'s ''The Darfsteller''. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:47, 30 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::::I wouldn't recommend comparing a magazine publication with a book publication to determine word count. First, many magazine stories are continued in the later pages of the issue. Second, many magazines have smaller fonts, and double columns. In the case of "Conditionally Human" in ''Galaxy'', thirty-four pages could very well contain more than 17,500 words. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:58, 30 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::::I just did an estimated word count of "Conditionally Human" as it was published in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?188177 this collection] using [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlVjb2fstclQcE5xdU8xeFViM3UtcnZOSlNFa1FjYXc#gid=0 Swfritter's word count calculator], and it came to over 21,000 words. Even accounting for this story being heavy with dialogue, this would definitely be a novella. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:09, 30 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Image upload problem ==<br />
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What was the trouble with the uploading of [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:BYNDTASPC1950.jpg this image]? Did you perhaps forget to clear your cache and the original image kept appearing each time you uploaded it? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:39, 29 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:I see what happened now. The image linked to the record had a different URL, and you assumed it would replace it automatically. That only happens when the URLs are the same. But I see you saw that too and changed the URL to the new image. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:51, 29 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::yep :) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:27, 29 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== The Best from Fantasy and Science Fiction: 15 ==<br />
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For {{P|35708|The Best from Fantasy and Science Fiction: 15}} does the title page state "15" or "Fifteenth Series" as per the cover? If the title page matches the cover, then the record's title should be updated. If the title pages doesn't match the cover, then it is good to add a note to the publication to avoid future questions. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:28, 3 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Good catch. It's "Fifteenth Series" on jacket, book cover, half-title page, and title page. Made the change. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:41, 3 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Masterpieces of Science Fiction'' ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21649 this publication]: Please make the date field match the publication date given in the note field, or vice versa (1966 or 1967). Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:27, 4 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Missed that. Thanks for catch. Fixed it in publication & title records. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:53, 4 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ISBNs ==<br />
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Are you certain that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?40972 this 2001 publication] has an ISBN-13 and not an EAN? If it's just a number above a barcode, it is not the ISBN-13 which wasn't created until 2005. If it does state ISBN-13, then you have a later printing. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:13, 18 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:You are correct, it's on the barcode. It's used by booksellers on ABE as ISBN. Since there's an incorrect ISBN on the copyright page, thought I should enter the ISBN used on ABE. I'm not clear on ISFDB standard in this situation, so please edit as appropriate. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:20, 18 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::Are your certain that the ISBN on the copyright page is incorrect? It comes up with plenty of hits on [http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?bi=0&bx=off&ds=30&isbn=1886778213&recentlyadded=all&sortby=17&sts=t&x=0&y=0 ABEbooks.com] and that's the number listed on the publisher's website, and in the [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/49605342 OCLC record]. What about it is incorrect? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:17, 18 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::BTW, the ISFDB standard is to record the ISBN as stated in the publication, with the one on the copyright page having precedence over the one on the dustjacket or cover (if they don't agree). If it's an invalid ISBN (as opposed to an "incorrect" number), you can add the number sign (#) before it so that the checksum error warning doesn't display on the record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:20, 18 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::You're right. I've corrected the record. FWIW, I made a 'cut and paste' error when I searched the ISBN. Apologies for wasting your time on this. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 05:35, 18 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== This Island Earth - Raymond F. Jones ==<br />
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Added artist credit, publication date and some links to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?51097 This Island Earth].[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 03:29, 19 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:44, 19 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Best SF Two'' ==<br />
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The submission updating [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4150 this record] made no visible changes in the data. What were you attempting to do? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:00, 27 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Updated image. For some reason yesterday's upload didn't post, so I uploaded again, and cut-and-paste the URL just to be sure. Record is now correct. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 20:28, 27 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::You don't have to "update" a publication record to change the URL if you've uploaded a new version of the cover image file. The URL doesn't change. The reason it "didn't post" or wasn't visible was because you didn't refresh the page. Unlike many websites, the ISFDB doesn't auto-refresh pages if there's been a change in the page. That must be done manually by the user (usually hitting "F5" will do it). Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:13, 27 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::Looking at the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:BESTSF1C1956.jpg wiki page for the image file], you should be able to see that there was no need to do a second upload of the image file. If you click on the date/time fields of the three uploaded files (under '''File History'''), you'll see that both images you uploaded are identical. Just remember to re-fresh your cache, or you will always see the original file which was loaded into it when you first went to the page. (Unless you've set your browser's preferences to never keep copies of web pages in its cache.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:18, 27 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::Good info. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:27, 27 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Astounding'' essay variants ==<br />
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Hi. Questions about two of your make-variant submissions, which I have on hold:<br />
* One submission would make [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1738914 this] a variant of an identically worded and credited new parent title. I can't tell which part of that is mistaken.<br />
* The other submission would make [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1738915 this] a variant of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?921955 this]. That's indeed worded differently, but I see in looking at the two containing publications that one is supposedly a facsimile reprint of the other. If that's true, I'd expect the titles would be identical in each, since it's a facsimile. I'm thinking you and Ron should see if the title should be credited the same way in each (and so merged, instead of varianted).<br />
Let me know what you think. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:49, 12 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Need your help on this one. This book http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3250 contains a photographic reprint of the contents of this magazine http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?57507, so my goal is to merge the content title listings so that both the book and magazine are shown when looking at one of these content titles (for example, like this http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?132348.) What appears to be causing the trouble with the two you note is that Campbell's contents are credited to 'The Editor'. They don't show up in John Campbell's listing so I can't use the 'Check for Duplicate Titles' editing tool. That's why I used the 'variant title' tool. I'm also unclear on whether Campbell articles credited to 'The Editor' are supposed to show up on John Campbell's listing; some do, and some don't, so I can't spot the ISFDB standard. I'd welcome guidance. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 03:57, 15 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::If the book is a photographic copy, all credits for the original ''Astounding'' material should be the same as those in the magazine (but don't blindly follow the magazine entry; see below). Remember we go by how the works are credited in the material itself. Now, where a piece is credited to The Editor, but something then tells us who The Editor actually is, what we do is make a variant of the "The Editor"-credited material to a title with the same wording but credited to the actual canonical person (John W. Campbell, Jr.). So [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?132348 your example] is not done correctly. The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?57507 magazine] has "Addenda" credited to The Editor, and then has that a variant of it credited to John W. Campbell, Jr. The "as by" in the content display:<br />
::<pre> • 6 • Addenda • [Editorial (Astounding)] • essay by John W. Campbell, Jr. [as by The Editor ]</pre><br />
::tells us its original credit in the publication. The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3250 facsimile reprint], however, has "Addenda" credited to John W. Campbell, Jr., not to The Editor:<br />
::<pre> • 6 • Addenda • [Editorial (Astounding)] • (1939) • essay by John W. Campbell, Jr.</pre><br />
::One of these must be wrong.<br />
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::So, what should you do? If what you see in the book does not agree with what has been entered for the magazine, you should double-check with the magazine's verifier, [[User_talk:Rkihara|Rkihara]]. Everyone makes data entry mistakes, and perhaps something was entered incorrectly there. For the specific "Addenda" example, if it is credited to "The Editor" in your book, then you should use "Remove Titles From This Pub" to remove it, and you should use "Import Content" to bring in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?202411 this one]. By the way, using "Import Content" would have let you make the book use the exact same contents as the magazine (you can import entire contents or individual titles). For ones you have entered that you want to merge, where Check for Duplicates or Show All Titles is too overwhelming, use "Title Search Form" section of Advanced Search: put in the title, use the "AND" option, and put The Editor and choose Author as the second field. That will find you matching titles and will let you merge. If you find a The Editor-credited one that is known to have been done by Campbell, but there's no existing variant, then you'd make one to a new parent having John W. Campbell, Jr.<br />
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::For the two I have on hold, the "In Times to Come" variant should be cancelled. You should make a variant to a new parent, credited to Campbell, Jr. And you should do a merge of the The Editor-credited ones (there are two at the moment). Do one of the two things first, wait for acceptance, then do the other. The second one, too, should be cancelled. You should come to an agreement with Ron about how the entry should be worded, then one should be fixed to match the other and both should be merged. If one or the other is worded correctly, you can actually "fix" and merge at the same time by merging and keeping the wording that is agreed to be correct (use the "note to the moderator" to warn the reviewing moderator you're keeping the correct wording, since a merge of two different wordings can look like a mistake).<br />
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::I hope that helps. If you have any questions or problems, just ask. [[User_talk:Rkihara|Rkihara]] is also a moderator and quite active, so asking him about specific entries in things he has verified could lead to his doing some things quickly that otherwise might take multiple submission + approval cycles. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:20, 15 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::Incredibly informative & helpful. Thanks! There was a pre-existing listing for the hardcover reprint, and it had some differences from Ron's listing for the original magazine. Unlike Ron's, the hardcover listing had separate titles for each letter in Brass Tacks, which looks desirable since there are some early fan letters by well known authors. Otherwise, the contents in Ron's listing are superior and authoritative. Therefore, here's what I'd like to do:<br />
::::1. Cancel the 2 previous submissions. (done)<br />
::::2. In my hardcover listing, delete all the titles which are also in Ron's magazine listing.<br />
::::3. Import the contents from Ron's magazine listing.<br />
::::4. For contents by "The Editor" which are not connected to Campbell, do as you've recommended and create a Campbell listing then connect both Editor versions to it.<br />
::::5. Post a note to Ron's page pointing to this conversation and suggesting he import the individual letter listings from the hardcover listing into his magazine listing.<br />
:::Please let me know if you're OK with this, or if there's a better approach. And, again, thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:28, 15 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::::I'd say start with #5, in case Ron has some further suggestions or wants to take some actions. The rest sounds fine, although for #2 and #3, merging what's already entered would require fewer steps than removing, deleting, and importing. But whichever way you feel most comfortable with will get you to the same place. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:35, 16 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Frank R. Paul collection ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?420238 this publication]: Can you confirm that the three pieces are credited to "Anonymous" or are they simply "uncredited"? Thanks for looking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:43, 9 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:They were uncredited, but authorship of the book is credited to Jerry Weist so attributed to him. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:38, 9 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Acknowledgments ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?450572 this record]: We ordinarily don't create content records for acknowledgments unless it is an actual essay and not just a list of thank yous. Could that be said of the content you added to this record? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]<br />
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:It's in the form of an essay, with more than just a list of thank yous. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:31, 5 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Proposed Modification to a record you verified ==<br />
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Hello. You verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55353 this], and per our courtesy rules I am asking for your comments on my proposal to change the title from "The World That Couldn't Be and 8 Other SF Novelets" to "The World That Couldn't Be and 8 Other Novelets from Galaxy". I look forward to your input. Thanks! --[[User:Steeltown Jim|Steeltown Jim]] 22:27, 3 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:I have accepted the submission based on the OCLC record which gives the extended title. If this is not the title atated on the title page, please make a submission to change it back. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:10, 4 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::Good change. I should have caught that when I edited the stub. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:31, 5 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== The Stranger ==<br />
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I have changed the credit of {{T|1143147|The Stranger}} to "L. E. Modesitt" (no ", Jr.") based on ISFDB standards of crediting as shown on the story title page. I'm assuming your verified {{P|435699|signed edition}} matches the {{P|324986|unsigned edition}} in this regard. If not, let me know here and I'll separate the records and restore the ", Jr." on your version. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 00:05, 16 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Good catch. Thanks. The "Jr" is everywhere else (contents, copyright & limitation pages plus jacket front & blurb) but not the story's title page. Just a comment: the ISFDB standard certainly makes sense as a tie-breaker, but perhaps not so well for a 'heavily out-voted' outlier which is an apparent typo. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 03:50, 16 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== A Pictorial History of Science Fiction ==<br />
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Can you check [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?308366 this verified pub] again? The notes say 'No printed price', but on the front flap of my copy's dustjacket is the statement 'UK Price £3.95'. If the dustjackets are different I'll add a note about this. Thanks for checking, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 08:32, 11 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Interesting. No price anywhere on jacket of my copy. Could mean mine's the US edition and yours is UK. Here are some other points to compare:<br />
::- boards: black cloth embossed in silver on spine<br />
::- "Printed in Holland" on back flap, and "Printed by Smeets, Holland" on copyright page.<br />
::- publisher's cities on copyright page are "London - New York - Sydney - Toronto", and address is "Astronaut House, Feltham, Middlesex, England".<br />
::- ISBN on copyright page and back flap.<br />
:If you decide we should enter a variant, then suggest that you edit the current record, and I clone it to create US variant. But your call. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 20:45, 16 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::As far as I know, there was no US variant. The UK printing was distributed in the US (I have a copy of the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?204929 second impression], which was purchased in a retail store in the US.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:05, 16 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::OK. I've restored my verification, made no edits. Thanks for adding the note about dustjacket variants. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 22:41, 16 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Space Movies'' ==<br />
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Can you confirm that the title as given in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?430227 this record] reflects the title given on its title page? According to [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/34191665 OCLC] the title is ''Space Movies: Classic Science Fiction Films''. Thanks for checking. BTW, I've deleted the record for a separate US edition. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:14, 13 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:I didn't make that change because wasn't sure which of these was definitive:<br />
::- Title page: subtitle "Classic Science Fiction Films"<br />
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::- Copyright page: no subtitle<br />
::- Spine of book: no subtitle<br />
::- Jacket: subtitle "Classic Science Fiction"<br />
:Based on your comment, I'll add the subtitle from the title page. Thanks for deleting that 'US edition'. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:25, 13 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::ISFDB standard: the title on the title page, including subtitles, trumps the titles that appear anywhere else in the publication and should be used in the Title field of a publication record. The Title field of the publication record does not have to exactly match the Title field of the title record. That title should be the ''canonical title''. For example, the title page of ''The Courts of Chaos'' may give it as ''The Courts of Chaos: An Amber Novel'', which should be used in the Title field of the publication record, but not in the Title field of the title record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:09, 13 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Pseudonym and variant functions ==<br />
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When making an author into a pseudonym, it is important to variant all of the titles under that pseudonym to ones credited to the canonical author. I've done that for you in the case of N. C. Hanger / Nancy C. Hanger. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:12, 3 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 20:00, 3 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Teen-Age Super Science Stories ==<br />
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You verified the author of {{p|433460|Teen-Age Super Science Stories}} as Richard M. Elam, Jr. The cover shows Richard M. Elam. Does the title page have Richard M. Elam or Richard M. Elam, Jr.? --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 08:38, 25 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, "Jr." is on title page of book. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:49, 26 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
:: Thank you. I added a note to the publication record about that. While adding the note I noticed a minor discrepancy which is "There are 25 "Teen Age Library" titles listed inside FFEP, ending with this book." The problem is, this publication is #27 implying there should be 26 and not 25 titles listed. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 01:24, 29 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::Added a note that the title list inside book omits two titles from jacket back. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:19, 29 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Children of the Steet'' ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?276680 this record]: While Edgeworks Abbey is an imprint of The Kilimanjaro Corporation (i.e. Harlan Ellison), Severn House has been around for decades as a British publisher. Also, it's very likely this is a phantom record, as it appears that there was one edition which was distributed in both the US and the UK (based on your notes). If you can't substantiate proof that there were two separate editions, I would suggest deleting one record and verifying the one remaining. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:34, 12 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:I agree that there should be only one record. Let's keep the one I just edited, and delete the other one. Thanks for catch on 'Kilimanjaro'. Didn't know that, and misinterpreted the info on copyright page. I'll clean up the note. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:18, 12 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Serpent's Egg'' ==<br />
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Can you confirm the spelling of the bonus story in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?273776 this publication]? It's being reprinted in a new Lafferty collection as "Grey Ghost: A Reminiscence". (The note also spells it as "Grey..." instead of "Gray...") Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:04, 12 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Confirmed: on the story's title page, page 167, and on the limitation page, the title is "Gray Ghost, A Reminiscence". I've submitted a correction for my mis-spelling of limitation page. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:16, 12 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for the change. In the meantime, I confirmed that the reprint is also titled "Gray..." [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:26, 12 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Periodical page counts ==<br />
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It is ISFDB standard to include the covers for publications typed as MAGAZINE or FANZINE. That's why I'm holding your record to change the page count of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?253460 this issue] from 132 to 131. If you include the covers in the count, most periodicals have a page count in a multiple of 4. If you conclude that the submission was in error, please cancel it. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:33, 15 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:OK, then page count should be 132. Easiest if you accept my edit, then I'll correct the page count (or you're welcome to correct it.) Thanks for clarifying the standard for magazines. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 05:46, 15 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I didn't see that you'd also added notes. (Once I saw the page count change I didn't go any further!) I've accepted the submission and reverted the page count. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:50, 15 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Lightspeed ==<br />
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I'm holding a submission to '''update''' (not clone) [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?453370 this publication record], changing its title, changing it from a MAGAZINE to an ANTHOLOGY, changing its price, and adding five additional editors. I actually think you have the same edition represented by the record. Regardless of the format, this is a periodical publication, thus its type as MAGAZINE. It also states "Lightspeed Magazine" on the copyright page. About the editor credit, the ISFDB doesn't credit all of roles you cited as being the editor of the publication. The price may have changed since it was listed on Amazon. If your copy has a stated price of $17.99, you can cancel the submission and update the record. Or if you're not convinced that your copy is sufficiently different from the current record, you should cancel the submission and create a new record for what you consider to be an ANTHOLOGY. Either way, you'd have to cancel the submission. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:19, 24 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Ah-ha! I see now what you're doing. Sorry it took so long, but I went back and saw that this differs from the ebook edition with a new story. But I don't believe it should be considered an ANTHOLOGY. I'll accept the submission, and you can lay out a case for it being one. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:41, 24 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:You should also get rid of those other editors. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:44, 24 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Sorry to make you work so hard on this one. I'll make all the changes you cite, and I appreciate you clarifying the ISFDB standards for this situation. FWIW, though the copyright page does say "Published by Lightspeed Magazine", I'd classify it as an anthology because it's a 489-page "Limited Edition" trade paper book which I believe would be shelved with anthologies in a library. It doesn't appear to be a 'periodical publication' since it's the only one in its series (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?36989), but there are ISFDB anthologies which were periodically published: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?8228. In any case, I'll follow your guidance, and thanks for the help. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 05:03, 24 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Kid from Mars Interiorart ==<br />
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I've been entering Virgil Finlay art books, and several have an illustration from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?272837 The Kid from Mars]. Is there more than one interior illustration by Finlay in that pub? [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 16:41, 8 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:No, there's just the one: a meticulously detailed picture of The Kid lifting a sleeping woman. I've edited the book listing to add the interior illustration so that it appears on Finlay's page. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:56, 9 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Thank you for taking the trouble. Much appreciated! [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 14:15, 9 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Author's name in the title ==<br />
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Are you certain that the author's name is in the title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?53755 this publication]? That is, on the title page it is given as ''H. G. Wells: The War of the Worlds, The Time Machine, and Selected Short Stories'' and credited to H. G. Wells as well. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:33, 23 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:"H. G. Wells", in larger font, precedes the rest of the title on the title page (and on the jacket front and flap.) The half-title page has only "H. G. Wells", which I interpreted to mean it's the title of the book and the rest ("The War of the Worlds" etc.) is subtitle. However, if there's an applicable ISFDB standard, let's follow it. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 05:34, 23 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Disregarding the half-title page, your entry only makes sense if the full title page states "''H. G. Wells: The War of the Worlds, The Time Machine, and Selected Short Stories'' by H. G. Wells". If there is no "by" credit on the title page, then it appears to me that "H. G. Wells" is not part of the title, just the author credit. I don't think there's an applicable ISFDB standard as it doesn't seem to be logical to interpret it any other way. If you disagree, please start a discussion on the Rules & Standards page, and we can create a rule for this situation. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:50, 23 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::OK. Edited. Thanks for guidance. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:00, 23 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Buck Rogers ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?503760 This book] is credited to Calkins on the cover. Can you confirm that Nowlan is credited on the title page? Also, is there a way to determine if there are more than 40K words of text? Otherwise, this appears to be a CHAPBOOK. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:14, 24 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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Also you changed the author credit of the title record to "Philip Francis Nowlan" but not the author of the publication record. They should match or it's an error. <br />
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According to OCLC the book is credited as "by Lieutenant Dick Calkins and Phil Nowlan with over 150 pictures to color". Is your copy different? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:18, 24 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I'm struggling with this listing, and would appreciate your guidance. The OCLC credit is correct, and as it appears on the title page. Nowlan is the author & Calkins is the illustrator. Should I include Calkins as an 'author'? The reason I edited the title record was trying to get the book to show up in Philip Francis Nowlan listing. Thought I could do that by just changing the title record, but leaving the book record as "Phil Nowlan". Please let me know correct method for that outcome. Regarding length, there are 17 chapters, but doubt they average more than a few hundred words each, so, yes, it should be a chapbook. Good catch. Thanks for helping me sort this out. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:31, 24 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::The author field of a publication record must match EXACTLY the author field of its title record. There's no way around it. If you can answer my question about whether this is a novel I can make a better decision about how the publication should be handled. I suspect that it should be a CHAPBOOK credited to Calkins and Nowlan, with content records for the SHORTFICTION credited to Nowlan and the INTERIORART credited to Calkins. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:36, 24 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::BTW, the way to "to get the book to show up in Philip Francis Nowlan listing" is to credit the record EXACTLY as published and then variant its title record to the canonical author. (Phil Nowlan is already established as a pseudonym of Philip Francis Nowlan.) I assumed that you were already familiar with pseudonyms and variants. Ask if you need help on how to do that. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:39, 24 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Stand Still and Die ==<br />
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Would you please confirm that {{T|94428|Stand Still and Die}} in your verified {{P|276680|Children of the Streets}} does not have a exclamation point? {{T|1589047|Other versions}} of this story have the exclamation and I want to confirm before varianting. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:04, 1 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, it has an exclamation point. I submitted edit to fix. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:13, 1 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
::It's easier to merge the two versions. That takes one step to fix vs. adding, removing, and then merging the new version created via the add. So I rejected your edit and then merged them. I appreciate you checking. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:29, 1 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::Good tip. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:37, 1 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantasy Voyages Great Science Fiction from the Saturday Evening Post ==<br />
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I think the publication you want to add is already in the database. (And you've entered it under the wrong title record.) If [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?201573 this record] matches your copy, please cancel your submission and update/verify the existing record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:35, 9 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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Also, HTML is only allowed in the Note field. Its use in any other field messes with searches. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:41, 9 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:I cancelled the new pub and edited the existing. Just now saw your note about HTML in title. I'd appreciate if you could take it out of edit I just submitted. Now that I know, won't do again. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 05:02, 9 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Pub entered under the wrong title record ==<br />
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Because [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?506869 this publication] has a different title, it should not have been created using the clone function. You should have used the "Add New Anthology" function, completing only the metadata section of the entry form. After that was accepted you could have imported the contents from the other publication record. I'll have to unmerge this publication from its current title. I'll let you decide whether it's sufficiently different to remain a separate title or to variant its title to the original. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:38, 15 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:I made the new title a variant of the "Gosh! Wow! ..." title. This is just a hardcover edition of the PBO, with new illustrations and some minor re-titling to Ackerman's essays. Note the copyright attribution for "Gosh Wow ..." on the copyright page of "Sense of Wonder ...". But if there's a better way to do this, I'd appreciate the correction/coaching. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:19, 15 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::The problem wasn't with whether it's a variant. The wrong function was used to enter it into the database. You shouldn't use the CLONE function if the title is different from the record you're cloning. (The software shouldn't allow changes in the title and author field when cloning, IMHO.) I agree it should be varianted. Submission accepted. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:29, 15 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ah! OK, thanks for coaching. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:35, 15 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Campbells Islands of Space ==<br />
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I've expanded the notes to Campbell's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?284452 Islands of Space]''. I've also added Bincley as the cover artist as I found a published source stating he did the jacket. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:55, 19 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Art of Robrt McCall ==<br />
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I have added a note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?436796 this book] adding the Canadian price which is printed top right front flap of dust wrapper. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 21:01, 8 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:thanks [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 02:04, 10 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Greenberg's Travellers of Space ==<br />
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I have some questions regarding your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?430565 verified copy] the the Martin Greenberg edited anthology ''Travelers of Space''. According to the secondary sources, there were two printings (1951 & c. 1955) and two jackets (Cartier & Binkley). One source, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?983721 Chalker/Owings], as well as the notes on the first printing indicate that the second state jacket was used for some copies of the first printing and they speculate that there may have been two bindings of the single printing. My copy of the first printing does have a first edition statement on the copyright page, directly below the copyright statement. If your copy also includes this statement, then it is either the supposed second binding of the first printing, but definitely the second state jacket. If not, then yours is the second printing which Chalker/Owings dates as c. 1955. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?409055 This other source] has a definitive 1955 date. If yours is a first printing with the second state jacket, I think it's fine to have two records for the separate states, but I'll adjust the notes on the record with the Cartier jacket to indicate your record. I'd also recommend that we add an additional record for the true second printing. Alternatively, if yours is a second printing, it's probably OK to just reference the second state jacket in existing Cartier jacket record, as it is now. However, you may want to adjust the date on your record.<br />
Regardless of which edition you have, there are a few errors with the contents that I'd like to fix. If you agree, I'll fix the shared content records which will correct these errors for both our copies. The corrections I want to make are:<br />
#Peeples' credit for "A Dictionary of Science Fiction" should be "Samuel A. Peeples".<br />
#Kyle's credit for "The Interstellar Zoo" should be "David Kyle"<br />
#Heinlein's credit for "Columbus Was a Dope" should be "Lyle Monroe" (this one will have to be handled by editing both our records).<br />
#Since it's clear from the table of contents that Peeples' preface if for the dictionary, I'd suggest changing the disambiguation to the title record so that it reads "Preface (A Dictionary of Science Fiction)". I'm not even sure we'd still need the note regarding this if we made this change.<br />
Let me know if you agree with this changes and any ideas that you have regarding which printing/edition you have. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:49, 17 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:I've got 2 copies, one with each jacket:<br />
::- Both copies have "FIRST EDITION" on the copyright page, and identical contents including the misspelling of "Peebles" and other points you note. I can see that I did not carefully review the titles and authors in the stub I verified; all need to be the same as in the canonical listing for the first edition with red Cartier jacket. If you wish, I can do that clean-up. <br />
::- The books have identical binding: gray cloth boards, with red cloth on the spine that has silver-embossed title on spine and blind-embossed rocket and star motif on front. This means my copies do not support the speculation of "two bindings of the single printing." However, the jackets that came with each book have folds and wear consistent with being as published, so this appears to support the source you cite that a "second state jacket was used for some copies of the first printing." (FWIW, without that source, you could also argue that a later jacket was put on a jacketless 1951 First Edition by a book collector back in the 1950's.)<br />
::- The blue Binkley jacket has the same $3.95 price as the red Cartier jacket, and the same blurb text on flaps. However, it has "Illustrations by Edd Cartier with Jacket Design by Ric Binkley" on bottom of front flap, versus "Jacket illustrations by Edd Cartier with Design by David Kyle" on the red Cartier jacket. <br />
::- The red Cartier jacket has 10 titles on back, 3 of which were published as late as 1951: 'Journey to Infinity', 'Foundation', and 'The Fairy Chessmen'. The blue Binkley jacket has 30 titles on back, 6 of which were published as late as 1953: 'The Robot & The Man', 'King Conan', 'Second Foundation', 'Against the Fall of Night', 'Iceworld', and 'Children of the Atom'. This is why I listed my Binkley jacketed book as published in 1953.<br />
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:I really appreciate your scholarship on this book. Since you've done the work and have the sources, I agree that you should edit my verified listing with the additional info about 1st printings in a later jacket, but I strongly recommend that you leave the publication date of my verified listing as 1953. While you're editing it you can also clean up the author & story titles to match the First Edition if you wish, but I'll be glad to do that after you've added your comments. It's your call if you've got enough evidence to create a new, 3rd listing for a 1955 edition. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:40, 18 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks. I agree with you about not changing the date. I was only suggesting the 1955 date if you had a true second printing. I've made the edits and have updated the notes on your record. Of course, you should feel free to rework the notes if you'd like something stated differently. I'll go ahead and clone your copy for the second printing. Thanks again.<br />
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== The Ice Dragon by George R. R. Martin ==<br />
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On [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?469491 The Ice Dragon] by George R. R. Martin, not removing or changing anything, but will edit spacing and add OCLC [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 21:55, 19 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Weist's Frank R. Paul Book ==<br />
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If you've no objections, I'd like to replace the single interiorart title in Jerry Weist's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?420238 Frank R. Paul: The Dean of Science Fiction Illustration]'' with individual titles for each piece. I'd also like to add a couple of sidebar items that are missing (e.g the Roger Hill essay on page 14) and add the Worldcat number to the notes. Lastly, I should be able to get a full scan of the cover. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:23, 23 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Wow, that'll take you awhile. I really appreciate it, as will other ISFDB users. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 20:45, 25 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Two Sought Adventure ==<br />
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I added a note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?52635 Two Sought Adventure] concerning the two bindings Currey notes, and stating that both were verified (by me). [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 20:55, 28 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== I added the Canadian price to your verified ==<br />
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I added the Canadian price to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?50829].[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 23:07, 11 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Campbells The Mightiest Machine ==<br />
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In working on the Paul collection, they reprinted his cover illustration for the Hadley edition of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?257186 The Mightiest Machine]'' which you've verified. However, the cover doesn't match the cover, or more precisely, the original cover of our record. I've looked in some secondary sources and it appears that when Hadley folded, the remaining stock (about 300 copies) was acquired by Julius Unger who printed new jackets that listed the publisher as FFF. According to Chalker/Owings the original cover and the interior illustrations are by Betty Wells Halladay. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?409055 Kemp] states the same thing. Neither of them credit Paul with the later jacket, but Kemp reprints it and it matches the one in the Paul collection (page 115) which also reprints the spine showing the "FFF". Tuck doesn't credit the cover artist but does credit the interior illustrations as by Pailthorpe.<br />
Could you check for credits for both the jacket and the interior illustrations? I think we have two potential issues, but that will depend on what is in the book.<br />
#For the cover artist, there were clearly two different covers by different artists. We could address this by either listing a second artist on the record which would create to COVERART records, or we could have two separate publication records, one for each cover. I actually favor the latter because it will allow us to link each COVERART record to a scan of the cover. However, I would suggest that the record for second state jacket maintain the publisher as Hadley since there really was only one printing and binding (Black, blue and red cloth were used, but apparently all bound at the same time, so no priority).<br />
#For the interior illustrations, and if there is a credit in the book, or a signature, I'd say we should go with that. If not, then we've got two secondary sources saying Halladay and one saying Pailthorpe. I don't know which I'd recommend going with. If it isn't credited, does it look like the same artist that did the cover did the interiors?<br />
Let me know your opinions on one record vs. two and who to credit for the illustrations. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:19, 13 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for doing this research. I just studied the book and updated the listing. I agree that there should be a second listing for the FFF edition. You could argue that, for that listing, the printer is still Hadley but the publisher is FFF ... but I'll defer to you on what ISFDB standards dictate. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:39, 13 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Here's what I added to my verified listing ... "Illustrated by Robert Pailthorpe" on title page. Blurb on front flap of jacket notes, "The Jacket and Illustrations are the work of Robert Pailthorpe ...." All four of the interior illustrations are signed with Pailthorpe's name or initials. There is no signature on the jacket art. Noted without explanation: both Chalker/Owings and Kemp credit the interior illustrations and this edition's jacket art to Betty Wells Halladay. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:40, 13 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I kept the publisher as Hadley. My reasoning is that the title page would still say Hadley. Also, none of the secondary sources (as few as they are) consider the rejacketed copies a FFF publication. Perhaps that's because Unger was essentially a used book dealer. I don't know that we've ever come up with a standard for this sort of situation, which is admittedly quite rare.In any case, it allowed me to variant the Paul jacket properly, which finishes Weist's Paul book. Thanks for your help and let me know if you see anything with either book that needs fixing. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 00:16, 17 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover artist ==<br />
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Added artists for some of the Scithers' anthologies that you submitted. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 10:36, 14 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Year's Best SF 5 ==<br />
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Hi, I added the cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291383 Year's Best SF 5]. It is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1096986 John Harris].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 11:25, 14 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Williamson's The Cometeers ==<br />
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I was getting ready to inform you that I had added the interior art records and expanded the notes (to include the Reginald1 number) of the Fantasy Press edition of Jack Williamson's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37357 The Cometeers]''. While looking it up in Reginald and Tuck, I discovered that we apparently have this book listed incorrectly, as it not only contains the novel ''The Cometeers'', but also contains ''One Against the Legion'' and we should have this listed as an OMNIBUS containing both novels. Let me know if you agree and I'll go ahead and make the edits, as well as the others I proposed. I'll also leave a note on the other verifier's page, but I'm not certain how active they are. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:34, 18 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Great catch! I just checked it out and, yes, it's an omnibus: the Contents page divides the book's content into "Book One / The Cometeers" (pages 1-168) and "Book Two / One Against the Legion" (pages 169-310.) Let me know if you'd like me to do any of this edit. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:01, 18 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Disch poem in ''Nebula Award Stories Seventeen'' ==<br />
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Can you confirm that the poem on page 281 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23461 this publication] is credited to Thomas M. Disch, and not "Tom Disch"? He almost always used the shorter form for his poetry. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:02, 25 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Good catch. I just now submitted edits to fix. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 05:44, 28 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Toward a Greater Appreciation of H. P. Lovecraft: The Analytical Approach ==<br />
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Hi. Both [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?289017 Whispers 1] and your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13844 First World Fantasy Awards] have the essay "Toward a Greater Appreciation of H. P. Lovecraft: The Analytical Approach" by "Dirk W. Mosig". In the Whispers he is credited on the essay title page as "Professor Dirk W. Mosig" (already an alias). Could you check your anthology and see if it's credited that way. If so, I can just change the title page and correct both at once. Also, in my version there is no space between H. and P. in the title. Could you check that as well. I will notify the other verifier once you answer back. Thanks, Doug / [[User:Vornoff|Vornoff]] 23:56, 3 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:You're right: "Professor Dirk W. Mosig" on page 290 of 'First World Fantasy Awards'. Thanks for catching. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:50, 4 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
::No problem - correction submitted. Doug / [[User:Vornoff|Vornoff]] 02:48, 4 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Twelve Tomorrows'' ==<br />
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According to the Note there is no printed price on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?521435 this publication], but the scan you just uploaded has the price printed on the front cover. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:57, 7 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for catching this. Just submitted edit to fix. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:59, 7 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Adventures to Come'' ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:1937AdventuresToCome2.jpg This image file] was uploaded without the prerequisite license, but it is a duplicate of a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:ADVTTC1937.jpg file] already on the server. Unless there's a reason I'm not understanding, the license-less file will have to be deleted. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:06, 7 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:I acquired a copy with jacket, so I'm posting the jacket image with the listing, then moving that image of the 1st & 2nd printing boards to a secondary location, and will add a link to that image in the listing notes. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 05:08, 7 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::You still need a license on the file. It would have been better to just upload the jacket image file, first changing the file name, and then correcting the links in the publication record. I'll make the necessary changes to make the file "legal". [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:13, 7 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::BTW, you have to use HTML to link in a publication record's Note field. Wiki markup doesn't work in publication records. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:16, 7 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::appreciate the coaching. Submitted edit to correct the HTML. I'll follow this process in future if need to upload additional images. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 15:59, 7 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Derleth's Far Boundaries ==<br />
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I've made a few changes to August Derleth's anthology ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13206 Far Boundaries]''.<br />
*I've added the subtitle to the publication record. <br />
*I've added the overall introduction and the section introductions that we were missing.<br />
*I've corrected the credit for the John Wyndham story from "John Benyon" to "John Benyon Harris"<br />
*I've added the Reginald number, the LCCN and linked the Worldcat number.<br />
Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:22, 11 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Great additions & corrections. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 02:53, 13 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Smith's "The City of the Singing Flame" ==<br />
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I was reading the story notes for the Night Shade edition of Clark Ashton Smith's stories and I discovered that there are multiple versions of his story "The City of the Singing Flame". It appears that it when it was published in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?381704 Spring 1940 issue] of ''Tales of Wonder'', the editor combined the story with its sequel "Beyond the Singing Flame" by altering some of Smith's prose and adding a bridging paragraph. Further, when Smith was preparing ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25326 Out of Space and Time]'', he was unable to locate either his carbon or a copy of the original ''Wonder Stories'' appearance of the tale and instead sent along tear sheets from ''Tales of Wonder'' containing the combined story. I have compared the two versions from the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?99391 Night Shade collection] which contains the original story and the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?296744 Bison reprint] of ''Out of Space and Time'' which contains the combined story. The former ends with "Tomorrow, I shall return to the city." Whereas the combined version ends with "And there, at length, we came once more to the greyish-green columns that were the gateway between worlds." I have corrected my copy of ''Out of Space and Time'' as well as the unverified copies. The story notes also mention that the combined version was used in August Derleth's anthology ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44942 The Other Side of the Moon]'' which you have verified. Could you check your copy so that we can swap out the version of the story if needed. I'll also point out that there are at least three variants of the wording of the title. You currently have "'''The''' City of '''the''' Singing Flame". This is also how Contento1 has it, but they also indicate that it is the single story version, so they may be wrong. Once you've verified the title, I can swap out the versions in the reprints of the Derleth anthology, unless you'd like to go ahead with those too. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:17, 13 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Excellent scholarship! I've got 3 books containing the story:<br />
:- "[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?14728 From Off This World]" contains both the original story as "The City of Singing Flame", and the sequel "Beyond the Singing Flame". The ISFDB listing has incorrect title for the original story ("... '''the''' Singing Flame".) I'll 3rd Verify the listing, and correct the title.<br />
:- "[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44942 The Other Side of the Moon]" has the combined version, titled "The City of '''the''' Singing Flame". It's incorrectly connected as a variant to the original (short) story in my listing, and in the unverified other 2 listings for this book title. I'll edit all 3, deleting the story then re-adding so I can variant to the combined version.<br />
:- "[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20826 Lost Worlds, Unknown Horizons]" listing is correct: it has the original story (i.e. ending with "Tomorrow, I shall return ..."), titled "The City of '''the''' Singing Flame".<br />
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:FWIW, I noted [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1495757 this listing] which says it's a different combined version edited by Garyn Roberts instead of Walter Gillings. My copy of that "Prentice Hall Anthology" is packed away so I can't verify if, indeed, it's different. The listing's verifier, [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:MLB MLB] may be able to check ... but I'll leave that to you if you want to ping him. Let me know if you'd like for me to make any edits other than the ones I've noted. And THANKS for the scholarship! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 07:09, 14 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for making those edits. I has already noticed the other combined story. However, I decided to leave them as separate titles because of the two different editors. Especially since Gillings added some of his own material. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:44, 16 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Madonna and the Starship ==<br />
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Before approving your submissions, can you clear the matter withe the PVs? Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 09:49, 17 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
:I approve of the edits. However, I think additional edits are required to add a CHAPBOOK title record to the contents. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:50, 17 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
::Done. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 14:53, 17 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
:::Apologies for missing that check-off. Seemed like an obvious edit, but I take your point. Thanks for handling for me. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 15:29, 17 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
::::No worries. It's not the most obvious series of edits. I had offered my assent only as one of the verifiers. My intent was to save you the trouble of notifying me, since I had noticed the conversation in my watchlist. I'll leave a note on Bill's page, but we probably should have waited for him before proceeding. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:27, 17 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
:::::Happy with the edits as they are now [[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 09:21, 29 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Stanislow or Stanislaw ==<br />
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Can you confirm the cover art credit given in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35657 this record]? The canonical form of the artist name is {{A|Stanislaw Zagorski}}. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:50, 26 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:It's spelled "...ow" on the jacket of this book. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:27, 26 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
::I'm not a PV of this, not sure why I was included in this message?[[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 09:24, 29 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::You weren't. This message was posted only on the PV editor's talk page, and no other's. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:57, 29 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''In Real Life'' ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?529671 this record]: A graphic novel isn't really a NOVEL (more than 40,000 words), so it should be entered as a CHAPBOOK with content records for the art and the fiction. Keep in mind that graphic novels are only eligible for the database if they are by an author who is "above the threshold". This was accepted into the database ''only'' because Doctorow is credited on the title page as the author, even though from the copyright it appears he had no input into the actual work. If the title page had truthfully stated "Adaptation of a story by Cory Doctorow" the publication wouldn't have been eligible. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:37, 1 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:As always, thanks for the coaching. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:16, 1 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Cory Doctorow adaptations ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?529498 this publication]: the "(graphic adaptation}" disambiguation added to the titles of the contents is not necessary. We can now flag each fiction title record to identify it as being in a graphic format. (Both disambiguation and flagging the INTERIORART records is also superfluous.) Please adjust the titles and add the graphic flag to the fiction titles when you get a chance. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:56, 15 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I also see that the INTERIORART records give two artists credit, when it appears that based on your note that they are not collaborations: one is for the title page and one is for the story. If so, they should each get a separate content record. Otherwise it would look like the two artists worked together for the arat of the entire story. 17:59, 15 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Edited per your guidance. Let me know if I missed anything. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:21, 16 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Looks good. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:39, 16 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Twenty-First Century Science Fiction ==<br />
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I added notes (Canadian price, LCCN, & comment on story introductions) to your verified {{P|428841|Twenty-First Century Science Fiction}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:44, 30 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Acknowledgments (again) ==<br />
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As previously pointed out, we normally don't create content records for these unless they are more than just a list of "thank you"s. Looking at the Amazon Look Inside for ''Telling Tales'', I don't see how McCoy's acknowledgments are exceptional. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:46, 7 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:I submitted Note to the book title record with content which I believes justifies having a record for McCoy's essay. Let me know if you'd prefer I delete the Note and/or essay record. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:58, 7 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I'm not sure that one sentence makes an ESSAY, but I'll drop the issue. (Just don't start creating content records for blurbs, most of which run for more than a sentence and have more value than this work!) BTW, wouldn't that explanation make more sense in the note field of the title record of the ESSAY rather than the title record of the ANTHOLOGY? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:14, 7 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::OK, I deleted the Acknowledgement record. With it gone, I'll leave the comment on the anthology title record. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:29, 7 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Humanoids ==<br />
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I added the Reginald number to the notes for Williamson's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?179277 The Humanoids]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:19, 10 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Radio Man ==<br />
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I've added an item for the interior artwork to Farley's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?428966 The Radio Man]''. I've also expanded the notes with catalog numbers for some of the secondary sources. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:46, 16 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Great additions. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 03:21, 18 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Default display of non-English translations ==<br />
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When you get a chance, could you please review [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Followup_to_Translations_not_shown_on_author_page_when_not_logged_in this discussion]? The proposal basically boils down to changing the behavior of the Summary Bibliography when the viewing user is not logged in. Currently only English translations are displayed for unauthenticated users. The proposal would change it to displaying ''all'' translations. The downside is that the Summary page could get longer and harder to navigate.<br />
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I am trying to get a sense of how widespread the support for this change is. TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 01:03, 20 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for he heads-up. I never think to browse the community portal. The discussion was interesting. I posted an opinion. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 02:27, 20 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:: Thanks! :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 03:02, 20 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Editor credit ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?46928 this publication]: We don't use copyright page credit to determine responsibility, unless there is no other credit stated in the book. Otherwise we use what is stated on the title page of the book. So I removed the editor credit for David Hartwell. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:58, 20 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:OK. I assume you'll do the same for 'The SFWA Grand Masters, Volume Two', which also had an editor credit for Hartwell on the copyright page. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:12, 21 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I accepted your submission for Volume 2, and then went back and removed the Hartwell credit. I'll leave it to you to finish the cleanup submitting content deletes, etc. [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 01:27, 21 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::OK, thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 02:15, 21 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Jones' The Toymaker ==<br />
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I've expanded the notes to Raymond Jones' ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48774 The Toymaker]'', adding the Reginald number and describing the binding of my copy which doesn't seem to match any of those already mentioned. I also noticed that we had the title wrong for "The Deadly Host" where we had omitted "The". I've corrected that as well. Let me know if you have any problems with my changes. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:16, 14 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
:I notice that you have also have verified the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?427409 paperback edition]. My understanding is that FPCI generally did a single printing with several bindings, so I would expect that the same change for "The Deadly Host" would be needed for the paperback. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:21, 14 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
::Good catch. Fixed. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:29, 15 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== I added publisher's number ==<br />
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I added publisher's number to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?249814].[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 20:23, 2 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Bad HTML ==<br />
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The HTML in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?4861 this record's Note field] is pretty messed up. Did you want to repair it, or should I? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:34, 10 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Fixed. Sorry about that. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:24, 10 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Strange and Fantastic Stories ==<br />
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I've expanded the notes for ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270849 Strange and Fantastic Stories]'', adding the catalog numbers for Reginald and Bleiler. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:38, 17 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Merril's SF:'57 ==<br />
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I expanded the notes to our mutually verified publication of Judith Merril's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29756 SF:'57]'' adding several catalog numbers. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 03:23, 4 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
:Also her ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34937 The 5th Annual of the Year's Best S-F]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 03:31, 4 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== ''No Boundaries'' cover image ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:NBNDRSJLXM1955.jpg this record]: We usually don't include the back cover unless it's wraparound art. Is there any reason to make an exception for this one? We don't want to create a precedent and have others point to it when wanting to upload other images that show back covers that are text only. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:48, 6 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:OK. Fixed. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:54, 7 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Moore's Shambleau ==<br />
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I added the Reginald and Bleiler catalog numbers to C. L. Moore's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30127 Shambleau and Others]''. I also linked the existing Worldcat and Library of Congress numbers. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:19, 10 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Playboy Book of Science Fiction and Fantasy ==<br />
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I've expanded the notes to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?45400 The Playboy Book of Science Fiction and Fantasy]'' adding Reginald and Bleiler numbers. I also linked the LOC number. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:59, 24 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Post Reader of Fantasy and Science Fiction ==<br />
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I expanded the notes to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?26482 The Post Reader of Fantasy and Science Fiction]'' adding record numbers for Reginald and Bleiler. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 23:08, 28 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Most Forgetable Story in the World ==<br />
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Would you mind double checking the spelling of "forgetable" in the title of {{T|68102|The Most Forgetable Story in the World}} from {{P|20584|Long Night of Waiting by Andre Norton and other stories}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:45, 1 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Good catch. Thanks! Fixed that, and also corrected the story title pages. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 20:07, 1 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Outsiders: Children of Wonder ==<br />
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Hello, I've put your submission on hold, please clear the matter of your proposed date change with the PVs. The dates in Cole may be wrong, as is the case with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?405658 this pub] falsely dated by Cole 04-15-1951 although all data on the book point to a March date. Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 14:37, 4 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry, but I'm unclear on what I'd be asking Willem and Don. I've also got a copy of this paperback and, as the isfdb record notes, its copyright page says it's "published June 1954". Cole simply adds the day of the month (June 7, 1954.) There's no data in the book to verify that day ... so what would I be asking them to verify? That said, I agree that Cole, by itself, doesn't 'trump' a date printed in a book. So far, I've only added Cole dates when the isfdb record is missing a publication month, or when it's got the same month as Cole but missing the day of the month. Please advise if I should be following a different process. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:52, 5 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
::Two things, first if you own the book, think about becoming a PV, second, I just want you to ask the other PV if they agree to your changes. Beause if I was concerned as a PV, I wouldn't agree with them as so precise data from Cole is (IMHO) questionable. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 15:20, 5 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Unnumbered pages ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1055 this publication]: Did you plan on adding a record for the content which appears on the 6 unnumbered pages before the last novel. If they don't contain significant text, they shouldn't be added to the page count field. The note itself should be sufficient. Also, the page numbers given for the start of each of the contents should reflect the published page number. According to your note, the pagination started over with each novel. You can use the pipe method for page numbering to provide the order of their appearance within the book. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:50, 17 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Can you point to an example of the 'pipe method'? I couldn't find a reference to 'pipe' in the Policy, FAQ, Discussions or Portal pages. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:36, 17 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::It's explained [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Content_Information here] in the '''Regular Titles''' section of the Content entry help page. Look at the '''Page''' subsection, to the bulleted section titled ''Sorting''. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:25, 17 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Those un-numbered pages contain the novel's title page, so I've got to somehow reference them as the novel's first page. Appreciate guidance on that. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:36, 17 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Actually you don't have to reference pages that don't have content on them., especially in a publication which has non-standard pagination. Since each of these novels "start" on the first page of their section of the publication, you can enter the first at "1|1", the second as "1|2", and the third as "1|3". Only the number "1" will be displayed, and the number after the pipe gives the order in which the titles will be displayed in the contents section of the publication record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:25, 17 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::Good to know about that use of pipe character. Thanks. I submitted correction to page numbers. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:54, 17 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Cyberiad ==<br />
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Hi. While checking the tp Seabury Press version of <cite>The Cyberiad: Fables for the Cybernetic Age</cite> against [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37775 your verified] hc version, I noticed the story title of "Prince Ferrix and the Princess Crystal" on the title page of the tp has "the Princess" and yours has no "the" in front of "Princess". Out of the six verified ISFDB editions of this work, two have "the" and four don't have the "the". Seems odd that the tp & hc of the same publisher would be different - could you kindly check your version and see if it has the "the". I'll ask the others to join us here as well, just to make sure we don't have an extra variant out there. If, by some chance, all of the verified copies have the "the" in the title, should all the unverified copies be changed? Also, since both variants of this story are variants to the Polish title, if you change the "non-the" title to the "the" title, do you merge that with the other "the" titles?<br><br />
Also, I notice that some of the verified copies have the subtitle "Fables for the Cyberntetic Age" and some don't. (Mavmaramis & Astrodan) Should that be checked as well? Thanks, Doug / [[User:Vornoff|Vornoff]] 05:08, 4 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:I have corrected the title of the story in my PV'd record. Most likely this was caused by the importing of contents which were initially incorrect. I also added the subtitle to the canonical title, since the vast majority of the publications include it. There's one unverified record now that doesn't have that more complete title, but nothing requires that it do. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 06:27, 4 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::I checked my copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?193781 The Cyberiad] - contents page and the story itself has title as "Prince Ferrix and the Princess Crystal" no leading 'the' Hope that helps. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 17:31, 9 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1816536 少女] ==<br />
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I updated the date to match the oldest release of this short story. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:48, 5 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Clarke's ''Reach for Tomorrow'' ==<br />
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Does your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?284755 this] have a printed price? If not, please add that to the record. And please remember to do a primary verification of the record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:10, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:I'll be editing and adding Pub Notes ... but not a price. My copy's jacket is price clipped. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:53, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Imperial Earth'' ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?192257 This record] was originally intended to be for the January 1976 first printing. But based on the letter line, are you certain that it's not a second printing with an unknown publication date? I know some publisher's have different ways of indication a first printing, but shouldn't removing the "A" indicate a second printing? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:27, 15 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Some [http://www.whiteunicornbooks.com/home/glfirsted.html research] about identifying HB&J's first editions shows: <br />
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:"...that from 1973 to 1983, HB&J did not use the "A", i.e. "First Edition/ABCD", but instead used "First Edition/BCDE." <br />
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It might be a good idea to note this in case a collector checks these records to see if he/she has a true first edition. I will place a note on the publisher's page. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:34, 15 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Paul Collins' ''Envisaged Worlds'' ==<br />
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Hi,<br />
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I have recently acquired a copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?12471 Envisaged Worlds] for which you are the primary verifier. My dust jacket appears a little different from yours: the fill in the drawings is much finer in my copy (though perhaps this is an artifact of the scan?), plus, at the bottom of the front cover there is "Void" with "6•7•8" underneath.<br />
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Does your dust jacket have " Void | 6•7•8 " at the bottom? If not, I'll do a clone. If so, I'll replace the cover scan with one from my copy, if that's OK by you.<br />
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Also, would you please check the authorship of "Creator", starting on page 57. My copy has it as just David Lake. If you agree, I'll add a line with the new authorship / remove old record / adjust vt/duplicate/...<br />
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ditto "Nemaluk and the Star-Stone", page 77. I have Frank Bryning. ditto re fix.<br />
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ditto "What Evil Must Do", page 153. I have L. Godfrey, not Lynette. ditto re fix.<br />
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I'd also like to put, in the Pub Series field, "Void magazine"; plus "6•7•8" in the Pub Series # field. ("Void magazine" not "Void" in the Pub Series is from what I've read & a long story.)<br />
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Thanks --[[User:Clarkmci|clarkmci / j_clark]] 06:33, 15 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for finding this flawed image. I uploaded a corrected compression of the scan. And thanks for fixing those author credits. Agree with all. As for "6•7•8", no, that string does not appear on either jacket or book of my copy. I don't know a reason for the difference. In case you enter a variant, then FWIW boards of mine are brown cloth, stamped in gilt on spine with same text as spine of jacket. The ISBN is on the copyright page, but not on the jacket. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 08:07, 15 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for responding so quickly. Very interesting about the cover difference - I suspect it's to do with the Void magazine connection I mentioned above. As I understand it, subscribers to Void mag. got this instead of issues 6, 7, 8. <br />
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::I'll make the author fixes; then clone for my cover variant, putting the Pub Series stuff in my pub record. --[[User:Clarkmci|clarkmci / j_clark]] 08:40, 15 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::Done. --[[User:Clarkmci|clarkmci / j_clark]] 09:25, 15 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::Good edits. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 09:32, 15 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Aspects of Science Fiction'' ==<br />
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If your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3213 this publication] has an ISBN, then it can't be the 1959 edition. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 03:55, 28 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Fixed: moved that ISBN to a mention in pub note. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 05:21, 28 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Stories (Yefremov) ==<br />
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Hi, I linked your 1954 edition to [https://www.worldcat.org/title/stories/oclc/823751196 OCLC 823751196].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 19:42, 5 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Artist signature ==<br />
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We don't use the signature as a basis to credit cover art unless it can be identified as that of a known artist. I will hold the submission to update my verified record in order for you to identify the artist. Otherwise, just a note providing the signature is sufficient without a cover art record being created. The standard is explained [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Cover_Art here]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 17:08, 11 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:OK. Cancelled that edit, and submitted new edit with just the Pub Note. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:50, 12 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Long Haul From the ANNALS OF TRANSPORTATION, The Pacific Monthly, May 2009 ==<br />
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Could you please add your opinion to [[User_talk:Herzbube#The_Long_Haul_From_the_ANNALS_OF_TRANSPORTATION.2C_The_Pacific_Monthly.2C_May_2009|this discussion]] on my talk page? Thanks, Patrick -- [[User:Herzbube|Herzbube]] <sup>[[User talk:Herzbube|Talk]]</sup> 11:59, 13 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Replied on your talk page. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:21, 14 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Eleventh Galaxy Reader ==<br />
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Could you please check the title of the introduction on page 1 of {{P|39089|this pub}} that you verified? I'm asking because in {{P|284016|the SFBC edition}} the introduction appears with this title:<br />
Introduction: How to Spot the Good Ones<br />
Thanks for looking. Patrick -- [[User:Herzbube|Herzbube]] <sup>[[User talk:Herzbube|Talk]]</sup> 22:41, 16 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Good catch! Thanks. Submitted edit to fix. Note that I'm not appending "(book title)" as http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1995079. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 17:49, 17 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Unnumbered and Roman numbered? ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?560836 this publication]: How is the page count possible? Bracketed numbers in the page count field indicate the number of ''unnumbered'' pages. If the pages are Roman numbered, then they're entered without brackets. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 04:14, 19 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry. Typo. Fixed. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:51, 19 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Quantum Night ==<br />
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I added the author's note and the "further reading" essay to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?556917 this verified pub]. Also added a note about the cover art. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 19:55, 25 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:53, 26 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The War of the Worlds, The Time Machine, and Selected Short Stories ==<br />
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I've added the Reginald number, and linked the Worldcat and LCCN numbers for Wells' ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?53755 The War of the Worlds, The Time Machine, and Selected Short Stories]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:18, 7 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== James Burns ==<br />
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Hello, the artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?573122 this pub] is given as per your notes as "James" Burns. We clearly should consider this as typo. I've corrected the data. If you're not OK with the changes, just tell me, I'll revert them. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 08:55, 10 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:That's fine. I never encountered this situation before, so just entered the name as it appeared. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 04:54, 11 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Nebula Awards 20 ==<br />
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Added a artist credit to your PV'd copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?209485 Nebula Awards 20]. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 01:51, 12 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== 28 Science Fiction Stories of H. G. Wells ==<br />
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Hi, I imported content for your verified copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?562992 28 Science Fiction Stories of H. G. Wells].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 22:56, 29 August 2016 (UTC)<br />
== Science Fiction & Reader's Guide ==<br />
Hi. I added the glossary (which appears to belong only to the Lancelot Biggs story) to the listing because it's sf and is listed in the TOC, if that's okay with you. <br />
Also, I was thinking of changing the two excerpt stories to variants instead because they're really shorter stories on their own with beginning and end, if that's okay with you. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] 06:33, 3 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Hello. I'm fine with addition of "Glossary" as an essay, but have some recommendations:<br />
::- This glossary is not in 'Lancelot Biggs: Spaceman' (I'm pv for that book), so the title should be "Glossary (Science Fiction and Reader's Guide)".<br />
::- There no author credit for the this glossary, so author should be "uncredited". It's not implausible that the editors of this "Children's Hour" book wrote the Glossary for their younger readership. A possible proof point: I noted the editors excised an instance of "damn" from Bond's original text.<br />
::- Suggest adding a Pub Note about the footnote on page 70 ("See glossary, page 141")which ties the Glossary to Bond's story.<br />
:Regarding changing the excerpts to variants:<br />
::- Re: 'Mars and Miss Pickerell' I have to ask: make it a variant of what? AFAIK, the source material was only previously published within http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?422827, and I didn't think a piece of short fiction could be a variant of a novel.<br />
::- Re: 'Lancelot Biggs on the Saturn', you're right. It's the first story in the fix-up novel http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19896 (pages 9-40.) Do you know the title under which this story was originally published? If so, then agree it should be a variant of that story title. If you don't know its original title, then I may be able to figure that out with some research. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:15, 3 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Best SF Two ==<br />
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Can you check your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4150 Best SF Two] for the credit of the Heinlein and Simak stories? My third printing is missing the middle initials. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 09:09, 11 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:You're right: no middle initials in author credits for those 2 stories. Good catch. I'll fix my listing. Thx. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 17:44, 11 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks. I'll fix the unverified publications. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 19:40, 11 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Collector's Book of Science Fiction by H.G. Wells ==<br />
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Hi. Regarding your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37319 The Collector's Book of Science Fiction by H.G. Wells], the content on p.vii should be "Herbert George Wells: A Biographical Note" and should be merged with the identical title in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?583318 this pub] as far as I can see. As it is now it's merged with the two other dated titles that have "H.G." not "Herbert G."<br><br />
I think if you follow the page rules, this should have vii+514+[1] since you've added the Bibliographical Note as content on an unnumbered page.<br><br />
Also, I've checked the interiorart contents on this same pub version and it seems accurate. Do you mind if I add it to your pub? Thanks, Doug / [[User:Vornoff|Vornoff]] 01:16, 13 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Good catches! Made the fixes. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:50, 13 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
::No prob. But it looks like you deleted the Bibliographic Note on what would be p.[515]. That's fine but now you don't need the +[1] anymore, as I read it, because you don't have content that needs to be indexed. Confusing? Not much :) Doug / [[User:Vornoff|Vornoff]] 03:18, 14 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Larry Sternig and William Campbell Gault ==<br />
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I'm looking into a new editor's revelation that Larry Sternig was a real person and collaborated with Gault on some things. In your verified {{P|34640|Teen-Age Space Adventures}} is a short story{{T|76975|Venusian Invader}}, credited to Sternig, and we have that as a variant of that same title but credited solely to Gault. Is there any other information in the book that might indicate whether Gault had any hand in it? I am pursuing the other pubs/verifiers. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:07, 29 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Only credit is to Sternig. No reference to Gault in the book. I don't recall making the connection to Gault, so must have already been in the stub I edited. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:14, 29 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Gigantic Worlds ==<br />
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Hello, I've approved your submission but was wondering if the "untitled" pieces shouldn't be disambiguated (note that there are even two by the same author).[[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 07:57, 10 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Good point. Submitted edit to fix. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 17:54, 10 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Nebula Awards Showcase: 2009 ==<br />
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I added a response to your comment at [[User talk:Marc Kupper#Nebula Awards Showcase: 2009]]. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 15:15, 28 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''More Tales from the Forbidden Planet'' ==<br />
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I'd like to change the page numbering on our verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?294745 More Tales from the Forbidden Planet] from [xii]+268 to [4]+268+[8]. There are actually no Roman numerals on the leading pages, so according to point 3 under Pages in the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages New Pub Help] it should be Arabic numbers appearing within the brackets. Also, counting back from the last page of the Introduction is only 4 pages – there's no need to record unnumbered pages before that. You have included in the contents Biographies from unnumbered page 269, so this should also appear in the total page numbering, totalling 8 pages. I'm happy to make the edits if you're not sure how to use the 'pipe' method to make sure all unnumbered contents appear in their correct place. Cheers. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 10:49, 19 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Good edits! Yes, please go ahead and make them. (FWIW, that numbering was in the stub I edited ... but my bad for not catching it then.) Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 22:25, 19 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Translations of "The Horla" ==<br />
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As you surely know, back in the early days of the DB, different translations of the same story weren't given separate title records, but now this practice has changed. I'm about to sort the various English translations of Guy de Maupassant's "The Horla" into separate title records and wanted to consult you, as a primary verifier, before I do so. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?67969 Here] is the title record for all the publications that haven't been sorted yet, and [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Vasha77/Translations_of_The_Horla here] is the list I made, of all the translations I know of (thirteen of them) and which publications belong to which. I hope you can contribute some more information. <br />
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You verified ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2648 Androids, Time Machines and Blue Giraffes]''; I believe it has the uncredited 1903 translation. Can you confirm that, by comparing the first paragraph of the story to the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Vasha77/HorlaFirstParagraphs comparison page]? And then let me know what exact translator credit is given, if any. Also, does it have the subtitle "or Modern Ghosts" as that particular version sometimes does?<br />
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If you happen to have any of the other unsorted publications, information about them would be appreciated. Thank you very much for the help! --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 05:51, 25 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Wow. I admire the scholarship. Yes, you are correct: the version in 'Androids, Time Machines ...' has the first paragraph of the uncredited 1903 translation. There is no subtitle on the story's title page, but there is the following editor's note: "This story was first published on October 26, 1886 in 'Gil Blas', a French newspaper. A revised version was published the following year by Paul Ollendorff of Paris." Wish I could help with the other unsorted pubs, but I don't have any of them. Let me know if anything else I can do to help. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:16, 25 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Changing pub date for anthologies after Cole ==<br />
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Hello, I've approved your submission for updating diverse anthologies. Please note that, as you're modifying data that is PVed, our etiquette requires that you notify the PV(s). Consider this done for me. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 10:32, 27 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Offerings ==<br />
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If it's OK with you, I'll start adding contents to Brom's Offerings [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 23:19, 14 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:Are you kidding? I'd be delighted! I know how much work that's going to be, so a huge 'THANK YOU'. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:25, 14 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== The Hugo Winners ==<br />
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Hi, I noticed that several publications of The Hugo Winners, e.g. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?187417 this one], contain "Postscript (The Hugo Winners)" just before the appendix, but the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41813 1962 edition], which you verified, does not. Could you please check if this is correct? Thanks, [[User:Darkday|Darkday]] 23:27, 29 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:Good catch. It isn't listed in Table of Contents, so I'd missed it. Just submitted edit to add. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:36, 29 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Uploading images ==<br />
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Hello, I'm just dropping a line to verify if you're aware that 1) the images that you're uploading are usually significantly heavier that those replaced (sometimes up to four times) which may prove problematic in the future (our diskspace is limited) and 2) that the "old" scans have to manually deleted by a moderator. It's up to you to see if the addition of the spine is worth the trouble. Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 08:37, 30 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
:I appreciate the guidance. I certainly don't want to make unnecessary work for moderators, but as a long-time book collector, I do think it's important to show spines on jackets. If the current 150K size limit for images fails to address future space concerns, then seems we should establish smaller limit on image size going forward. In the meantime, though, if I do an image replacement I'll scale it to the size of the replaced image to assure no net impact on storage. BTW, what is the funding model for this wiki? I've wondered about this since day 1. As Heinlein said, TANSTAAFL. If we have storage concerns, then seems we have funding concerns. I'd rather be part of the solution than part of the problem. :) Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:22, 30 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks for your reply. For money matters, IIRC all come from the Ahasuerus' pockets. Some of us have already proposed to participate in the costs of the server (which are the only ones as all the rest is strictly on a volunteer basis), but it seemed not necesssary for now. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 07:05, 31 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Best American SFF 2015 ==<br />
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Hi, in ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?585053 The Best American Science Fiction and Fantasy 2015]'', which you've verified, I changed the title of the story "Duniazat" to "Duniazát" as my copy has it. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 01:06, 31 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Heinlein's Assignment in Eternity ==<br />
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I added the Reginald number to the notes for Heinlein's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3239 Assignment in Eternity]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 03:11, 3 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Possible Variants ==<br />
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Here are two possible variants:<br />
*{{T|56282|Game for Blondes}} from {{P|35919|The Best Science-Fiction Stories: 1953}} and {{T|2110208|A Game for Blondes}} from {{P|29427|Second Galaxy Reader of Science Fiction}}<br />
*{{T|56261|Star, Bright}} from {{P|26754|Prize Science Fiction}} and {{T|2110207|Star Bright}} from {{P|29427|Second Galaxy Reader of Science Fiction}}<br />
In each case, I would assume the stories are the same. As you have verified both pubs, would you mind double checking that and also the titles given in ''Second Galaxy Reader of Science Fiction'' since they are different from typical. Based on that, they should be varianted, merged, or notes added as applicable. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 02:05, 18 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:Fixed. Thanks for catching this 'clean up' edit I'd missed when entering 2nd Galaxy Reader. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:44, 18 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Russell's Deep Space ==<br />
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I've added the Reginald number to Eric Frank Russell's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?9730 Deep Space]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 00:04, 22 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Mind Fields: The Art of Jacek Yerka, the Fiction of Harlan Ellison ==<br />
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I added a cover scan to your verified pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?82997 here]. I also added the individual artworks to the contents for the first printing of this pub, which you can import if you wish. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 19:11, 2 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Looking Glass Library, Epstein & Carroll ==<br />
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You entered and PVerified 1960 ''The War of the Worlds'', Looking Glass Library #21, as publisher Epstein & Carroll, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?163 publication series LGL].<br />
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Yesterday I added the other Epstein & Carroll book in the database --1961 ''The Phantom Tollbooth'' 1st ed.-- learned something about E&C from Wikipedia and from bookdealer images of that book, and added all of our Notes on publisher [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?49530 publisher Epstein & Carroll].<br />
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We have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?34701 publisher Looking Glass Library] used by other editors for three 1959/60 books including one PVerified. None of those records mentions Epstein & Carroll in Notes but we have linked OCLC records that state "Looking Glass Library; distributed by Random House", presumably from the title page, which fits your Notes and suggests that Epstein & Carroll is named on the copyright page and only there.<br />
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I would like to revise your record as '''Publisher: Looking Glass Library''' and '''Catalog ID: #21''', parallel to the records of #9 and #18. Then complete cross-references and Notes at Publisher: LGL and Publ series: LGL, explaining the former relation to Epstein & Carroll and the latter restriction to later revival of the brand by Random House in its own name.<br />
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(In user space I have notes on the 1959-1961 series, which has about 10 more of its 28 titles in the database, based on this [http://www.lib.luc.edu/specialcollections/exhibits/show/gorey/looking-glass-library/looking-glass-3 Loyola University exhibition list].) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:57, 10 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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: Also in your record I would (as always) link LCCN: [https://lccn.loc.gov/60013060 60-013060]. That library record states "[Epstein and Carroll Associates]; distributed by Random House", unlike others; no doubt merely a variant way of deriving database field values from the same title and copyright pages.<br />
: At Amazon I found cover images for two 1959/61 LGL records that were needing them, so we now have all four. I am not adding LGL books until resolving the issue above.<br />
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: You note that the LGL is 'edited for "Age 11 up" readers, re-written in contemporary English, and slightly abridged for content.' I'll say that of ''War of the Worlds'' #21 in the publisher/series Notes and urge editors to look for that in other issues. <br />
: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:51, 10 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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::I can't verify that the "Age 11 up" note applies to all of the Looking Glass Library. I did verify my comments about abridgement and simplified, updated language by comparing the contents of this edition to the 'original' version in http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37319. Thanks for editing to add links to Looking Glass Library. Excellent research! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:27, 14 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== "Space Service" by Andre Norton ==<br />
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Your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?31447 verified publication] of the first edition of Space Service listed the story "The Specter General" as being by "Theodore Cogswell". It is listed in both the TOC and at the story title page as by "Theodore R. Cogswell", so I have corrected that entry. The story by Gordon Dickson was listed as being titled "The Steel Brother". It is listed in both the TOC and at the story as just "Steel Brother", so I have corrected that entry. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 15:17, 14 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:Really appreciate the fixes, and the attention to detail. Good reminder for me to check everything in stubs I complete. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 01:15, 19 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Velocity ==<br />
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If you don't mind, I will add content to your verified pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?423435 Velocity] by Stephan Martiniere. I intend just to add the book cover art. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 00:41, 25 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for the edits, and the heads-up. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 06:17, 27 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Best SF: 1972 ==<br />
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The change in your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4206 Best SF: 1972] was an HTML tag closing - you had your link closing with <nowiki><a> instead of </a></nowiki>. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:11, 10 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== "Confessions of a Tyrant('s) Double" ==<br />
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Hi, in your verified publication ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?363738 The New and Perfect Man (Postscripts #24/25)]'', you have "Confessions of a Tyrant Double" on page 187 -- is that actually how the title appears? elsewhere it is "Tyrant's". --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 03:45, 21 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Changes to Maupassant pubs ==<br />
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I am once again working on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Vasha77/Translations_of_The_Horla sorting out translations of "The Horla"], so if you are notified of changes to any publications that involve Guy de Maupassant, that is what it is in regard to. I believe I haven't made any alterations that go beyond the information you provided the last time I queried you about these publications, but if you notice I've made a mistake, please do let me know. The only major thing I did was to separate out the translations revised by Dora Knowlton Ranous from the general uncredited translations. Otherwise, I just changed notes and dates. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 08:38, 24 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== A batch of nongenre stories - if you disagree please comment ==<br />
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Currently there are numerous non-genre horror stories that are in the database because it's natural to just enter a book of horror or "tales of terror" without figuring out which stories are supernatural. I don't intend to systematically hunt for them, but when I spot one, I like to mark it nongenre. (In the case of classic stories, marking is better than removing it from the database because it'll just get re-added with some new anthology.) At the moment, I've spotted the following stories that I think need such a change, and I'm consulting people who have them in their verified pubs.<br />
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Firstly, there's ''Great Tales of Terror and the Supernatural'' (verified copies: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?517709 (1)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?289442 (2)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?415777 (3)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?435921 (4)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?366609 (5)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?446362 (6)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?577863 (7)]), which contains "A Terribly Strange Bed," "The Three Strangers," "The Most Dangerous Game," "Leiningen Versus the Ants," "A Rose for Emily," "Taboo," and undoubtedly other non-supernatural ones that I'm not noticing at the moment. Here are verified publications for those and some other stories:<br />
* "Taboo" by Geoffrey Household - An eastern European community is terrorized by a series of murders. The mystery is solved, but the terror, and other psychological effects, linger on. Non-supernatural - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?249393 Stories for the Dead of Night]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?190685 The Penguin Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359537 The Dark of the Soul]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?451254 The Second Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?253539 Stories for the Dead of Night]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?375537 Griezelverhalen 2]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?516539 Van Lichtelijk Luguber tot Meedogenloos Macaber]<br />
* "A Rose for Emily" by William Faulkner - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Rose_for_Emily#Plot_summary SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?611464 Fireside Reader]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?333722 Classic Tales of Horror and the Supernatural]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37873 The Dark Descent]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?205381 The Dark Descent]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?191317 The Arbor House Treasury of Horror and the Supernatural]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?293237 The Arbor House Treasury of Horror and the Supernatural]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?413748 The Lucifer Society]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439545 The Third Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?196813 The Medusa in the Shield]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359245 The Giant Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?591258 The Oxford Book of Gothic Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?43731 American Gothic Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2399 American Gothic Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?472269 The Golden Argosy]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?403273 Vóór Middernacht: De Beste Griezelverhalen]<br />
* "A Terribly Strange Bed" by Wilkie Collins - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Terribly_Strange_Bed SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?369520 Tales of Terror and the Supernatural]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?368071 Tales of Terror and the Supernatural]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?326642 Basil Rathbone Selects Strange Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?326754 Basil Rathbone Selects Strange Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?294185 Tales of Terror and Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?233089 Tales of Terror and Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?306036 Nightfrights]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?517776 Nightfrights]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?611464 Fireside Reader]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?386608 Adventure Stories for Girls]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?369352 Horror by Lamplight]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?346979 The Wordsworth Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?189037 Mad Monkton and Other Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?611464 Fireside Reader]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?413840 Masterpieces of Mystery in Four Volumes]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18059 In the Grip of Terror]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?514839 Van Edgar Allan Poe tot Roald Dahl]<br />
* "The Three Strangers" by Thomas Hardy - [http://klasikfanda.blogspot.com/2012/07/short-story-three-strangers-by-thomas.html SUMMARY] - http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?472269 The Golden Argosy]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?424385 Tellers of Tales]<br />
* "Leiningen Versus the Ants" by Carl Stephenson - A lurid and much exaggerated account of army ants, but not intended to be taken as speculative, I feel sure - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?190685 The Penguin Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?451254 The Second Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?383522 The Big Book of Adventure Stories]<br />
* "The Most Dangerous Game" by Richard Connell -[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Most_Dangerous_Game SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558649 Early September]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?416364 Psychos]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?302214 The Ghouls]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291549 The Ghouls]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?512071 Alfred Hitchcock's Spellbinders in Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?394763 Stories and Storytellers]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?573152 Night in Funland and Other Stories from Literary Cavalcade]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23955 Night in Funland and Other Stories from Literary Cavalcade]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?383522 The Big Book of Adventure Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?375279 Verhalen die Hitchcock Koos]<br />
* "Lamb to the Slaughter" by Roald Dahl - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamb_to_the_Slaughter#Plot_summary SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?176041 Someone Like You (Dell)]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?322881 Lamb to the Slaughter and Other Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?480807 Tales of the Unexpected]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?471509 Someone Like You (Livre de Poche)]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?537122 Rakkaani, kyyhkyläiseni / Joku kaltaisesi]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?533499 Lammkeule und andere Geschichten]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?371205 M'n Liefje, M'n Duifje]<br />
* "Contents of the Dead Man's Pockets" by Jack Finney - [http://www.elacommoncorelessonplans.com/contents-of-the-dead-mans-pocket-lesson-plans-summary-analysis.html SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?180273 The Third Level]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?258702 The Clock of Time]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?258701 The Clock of Time]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?301201 Stories of Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33359 Stories of Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439201 The Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?301712 The First Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?573152 Night in Funland and Other Stories from Literary Cavalcade]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23955 Night in Funland and Other Stories from Literary Cavalcade]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?375537 Griezelverhalen 2]<br />
* "Two Bottles of Relish" by Lord Dunsany - One of Dunsany's few non-speculative crime stories. [https://cgrishikesh.wordpress.com/2009/05/15/lord-dunsany-two-bottles-of-relish/ SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?64784 In the Land of Time and Other Fantasy Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?588045 In the Land of Time and Other Fantasy Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17298 Horror Stories from Tales to Be Told in the Dark]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17297 Horror Stories from Tales to Be Told in the Dark]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?444547 Horror Stories from Tales to Be Told in the Dark]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?257830 Horror Stories from Tales to Be Told in the Dark]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49073 The Unexpected]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?9463 Death]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?344994 Masterpieces of Horror]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251144 Owls' Watch]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34443 Tall Short Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?301201 Stories of Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33359 Stories of Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439545 The Third Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [Stories for the Dead of Night http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?249393]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?253539 Stories for the Dead of Night]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?190685 The Penguin Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?503597 Nacht en Ontij]<br />
* "A Note for the Milkman" by Sidney Carroll - [https://tentoinfinity.com/2013/06/05/a-note-for-the-milkman-by-sidney-carroll/ SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439545 The Third Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?51648 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?193021 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?193049 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251425 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?180161 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251424 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251426 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?263437 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?444141 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?503597 Nacht en Ontij]<br />
* "The Cone" by H. G. Wells - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cone SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?304364 Tales of Life and Adventure]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?574053 Tales of Life and Adventure]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439345 Tales of Life and Adventure]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?495929 A Harvest of Horrors]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?288845 The Time Machine: An Invention and Other Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360304 Human and Inhuman Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?426598 Human and Inhuman Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?426599 Human and Inhuman Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?331258 Selected Short Stories of H. G. Wells]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?524428 Selected Short Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?285926 Selected Short Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?352106 Selected Short Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?338206 Complete Short Story Omnibus]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37475 The Cone]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?575308 Works of H. G. Wells]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?420004 The Country of the Blind and Other Selected Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439545 The Third Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?404370 Der gestohlene Bazillus und andere Geschichten]<br />
* "The Lodger" by Marie Belloc Lowndes - [https://margotkinberg.wordpress.com/2013/06/10/in-the-spotlight-marie-bellocc-lowndes-the-lodger/ SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18836 Jack the Knife]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27604 Red Jack]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?233089 Tales of Terror and Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?294185 Tales of Terror and Suspense]; <br />
* "The Terrapin" by Patricia Highsmith - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Terrapin SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?190685 The Penguin Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?301711 The Twelfth Pan Book of Horror Stories]<br />
Are there any of those stories you think ARE genre? [[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 15:04, 30 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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ADDENDUM: Discussion moved to the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Nongenre_stories:_attempt_at_a_roundup Community Portal]. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 00:47, 31 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== The Four Thousand, The Eight Hundred ==<br />
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Moved the OCLC number from the notes to the new external identifier in our [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?588412 verified]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:33, 30 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== LCCNs ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted your changes to {{P|603503|Spaceman of Bohemia}}, but I made a small change to the notes. A recent new feature is "External IDs", where things like LCCNs should be listed. You supply the number and type, and the software provides organization and links. So I moved the LCCN out of the notes and into the External IDs. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:55, 3 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:Cool! Thanks for tip on this new feature. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:24, 4 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:: Reminder about that feature - you just added an LCCN number in the notes of {{P|250594|Lost Cities and Vanished Civilizations}}. I accepted the change (because there were other notes in the submission) but then edited it to move the LCCN number to the new field. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:56, 8 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== The SFWA Grand Masters, Volume One ==<br />
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Added cover artist and a couple of notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?46928 The SFWA Grand Masters, Volume One].[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 22:35, 3 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Karel Čapek's R.U.R. ==<br />
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I'm in the process of correcting Karel Čapek's last name from Capek to Čapek. In nearly all cases we had his name incorrectly listed without the hachek over the C. I've gone ahead and changed the title record for the play ''R. U. R.'' which is included in your verified copy of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48818 The Treasury of Science Fiction Classics]''. Could you check your copy to see if how his name appears in the book. If it is Čapek, then nothing further needs to be done. Otherwise, we need to swap the title in your book for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2218755 this one]. This also assumes that the translation in your copy is by Paul Selver alone. There is a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1314645 different translation] by Selver and Nigel Playfair as by Karel Čapek. If your copy has some other combination of translator, name and title, we may need to add a new title record. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:58, 19 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
:Could you also check his credit for "System" in ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21649 Masterpieces of Science Fiction]''. If it is "Capek", it's probably safe to change it at the title level, since in only appears in reprints of the Moskowitz collection. Also let me know how the credit of his brother appears. I'd like to make the same change to his brother's name after I've finished cleaning up the Karel records. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:03, 20 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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::I will do these checks ... but heads-up that my library is boxed-up for a move, and these books probably won't be accessible until mid-September. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:09, 28 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Julie Dillon's Imagined Realms, Book 1 ==<br />
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I added an interior art content item for your verified ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?564521 Julie Dillon's Imagined Realms, Book 1]''. She received a Chelsey nomination and I wanted to link the award to that title. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:38, 8 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:Thx! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 13:01, 8 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Three for Tomorrow ==<br />
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I accepted your addition of the LCCN to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?51210 Three for Tomorrow] and then edited to move it to the new field. The changes are: "Moving the LCCN into the new fields; moving the OCLC and using a template to leave it back in the note (needed for the clarification)." Can you please use the new External IDs fields when adding LCCN? Let me know if you have any questions. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:41, 10 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:Thx for the edit & for the reminder to use the new fields. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 20:02, 10 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== HTML tags ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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I noticed in a few of your recent submissions, that when you need to add a <nowiki><ul></nowiki> tag to start a list (at the beginning of the notes field), you add a <nowiki><ul/></nowiki> instead. Some tags, such as br for example, can get a / at the end and still be valid, but "ul" is not one of them - its closing element is always at the end after all the "li" tags. I just fixed in in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?159181 here] this evening after approving your update. I am not sure if you are using a weird template or if it is a technical mistake but wanted to bring that to your attention. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:42, 11 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:Just habit, from early days of writing HTML when it was required by some parsers. I'll try to break the habit. :) Thx for correction. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 00:33, 12 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:: I remember those days and the "if IE, else" kind of web development and each new browser was making up their own standards :) If the approving moderator does not see it (there is no indication unless if you examine the html manually from a different screen), it pops on a report - this is where I saw some earlier. So they will get fixed sooner or later - but the way the server is built, any html irregularities can have interesting side effects on the view of that specific book. Thanks for trying to break the habit! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:44, 12 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::: One issue solved, another developed: there was the opposite problem in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?615446 here]. The one at the start should be ul, the one at the end /ul :) This time you had "ul" in both places - edited and fixed. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:15, 12 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::::Just a typo this time. Doh! :) Thx. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 14:54, 12 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::::: It is kinda funny in the context of the conversation above though. I hate typos. And I do a lot of them :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:07, 12 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Entering contents of "best-of" anthologies ==<br />
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Hello, I've approved your submission and made the necessary merges afterwards. In order to save you what I suppose is a lot of typing, you may perhaps use the "Import Content" function at publication level. By using the bottom part of the screen, you'll be able to enter only the list of titles IDs (e.g. "2029359" for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2029359 this story]). Of course, when "new" variants may be in order, you'll still have to enter them manually. Another very interesting effect is that the titles would be automatically merged saving a lot of submissions and/or approvals. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 04:43, 17 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:VERY useful tip! Didn't know about that editing tool. You're right: would have saved a lot of typing. :) Thx! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:58, 17 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Alternative Truths ==<br />
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I'm holding your edit for ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?615942 Alternative Truths]''. My question is about the change of the name of the two essays. Of course, the ultimate edit is fine. However, I can't think of a reason that the ebook edition should have those titles with "(Alternate Truths)". It's probably an easier edit to update the two title records for the essays individually which could be done in two edits. Otherwise, you'll have to delete the "Alternate" records from both the tp pub and the ebook and import the new titles to the ebook. Or you could delete them from the tp and then merge each of the titles individually keeping the correct title. Either results in more edits than editing the two essay records. The only other issue is that you also have some note updates. I can approve your original edit, if you don't want to re-enter those, or at a minimum we can leave the edit held to make it easier to re-enter the note edit. Let me know how you'd like to proceed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:48, 16 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:Hi, Ron. Although there's no reason to assume the ebook's essays are actually mis-titled "Alternate" instead of "Alternative", I don't have the ebook so can't verify. However, if you prefer, I can edit the essay title records rather than the print book listing. I just saved a copy of my notes edit for the book, so can also re-submit those separately if you wish. Your call. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 02:03, 17 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::Actually, Amazon's [https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0718YNJ97?ie=UTF8&tag=isfdb-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325 look inside] will get you the title "pages" for those two essays. Since the parenthetical portion of the title is for disambiguation and doesn't appear in the book, we would have been safe to assume that the correction would apply to both editions even if we couldn't see those pages. Please go ahead and edit the two essay records directly and resubmit your notes. I'll go ahead and cancel the original edit. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:07, 17 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Men and Machines ==<br />
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You uploaded a cover image for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21894 Men and Machines] back in 2011. The cover of my copy is exactly the same, except for the publisher on the bottom of the spine. Yours has "Hawthorn", mine has "Meredith Press". Is it possible that your cover comes from another edition, not in the database? I will be replacing the cover image in a week or so, Thanks for checking, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:24, 18 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:Yes, agree you should replace image of my 'Hawthorn' jacket with your 'Meredith' jacket. I've moved recently, and it will be weeks before I can un-box and re-shelf my library. Once I'm able, I'll check my 2 copies of this book and enter a variant record for the Hawthorn version. Thanks for catching this. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 13:16, 19 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::Image is replaced. Thanks for the fast response. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:54, 19 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== The Instrumentality of Mankind ==<br />
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I added the publication date to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?185497 pub] and a note explaining the source of the information. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 18:17, 28 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Science Fiction Writer's Market Place and Sourcebook ==<br />
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re {{P|29190|Science Fiction Writer's Market Place and Sourcebook}}: I accepted your edit, but then restored "Market Place" as two words and also rejected your title edit. Per your pub notes, it's "Market Place" on the title page and we credit per the title page. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:53, 12 November 2017 (EST)<br />
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== ''Rogues'' ==<br />
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In your verified publication ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?442428 Rogues]'' there's a story titled "Ill-Seen in Tyre" which I've marked non-genre based on the description of it on its author's website. Please correct me if I'm wrong about that. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 14:38, 15 November 2017 (EST)<br />
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== Nebula Awards 29 ==<br />
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Updated the notes and publication date for the HC edition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23494 Nebula Awards 29]. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 13:26, 16 November 2017 (EST)<br />
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== Antoni Garcés ==<br />
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In your publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?391124 The Ray Bradbury Chronicles, Volume 4] you have an interior art credit to "Garces." Could you check if that is actually "Garcés," and make a note of the spelling? Thanks! --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 19:58, 31 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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:No accent on the "e" and no first name, it's just "Garces" 3 places: jacket front, jacket back, and interior title page. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:01, 1 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Cover Uploads ==<br />
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Hello, please remember that when, you re-upload a cover (like you did for the Bradbury titles), the older version stays archived on our server and uses some precious disk space. The older version must be deleted manually, and IIRC by a moderator a I'm not sure that contributors are allowed to delete them. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 03:21, 2 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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:OK ... is there something I can do myself to delete the old version ... or is there something I can do to help a moderator do this? Reason I'm replacing images is that many of my early postings were done with an old photo editor which did a bad job of compression, so the images are too large, grainy, and contain visual artifacts that aren't actually in the jacket/cover art. Let me know if that's not worth fixing, and I'll stop doing it. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:45, 2 February 2018 (EST)<br />
::I noticed the poor quality of the replaced images, that's why I didn't delete the new ones (tehre are contributors that, because they do not refresh their browser, upload Nth times the same image). I don't know if you can delete them yourself (see if there is some kind of "Delete" link at the bottom of the image wiki page in the "File history" box). Some contributors use [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#delete_an_image The Help Desk] but there are rare. As there are very few moderators that take the time to scan the upload logs, that's why I messaged you. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 01:55, 3 February 2018 (EST)<br />
:::Nope, no "delete", just a "revert" option, e.g. http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:WYFRMHN1947.jpg#filehistory. You say "the older version stays archived on our server". That may have made sense at some point in the past, but if the wiki's disk space is getting scarce and/or expensive, then seems sensible to change that behavior, and to delete archived images. Let me know if anything else I can do or try. In meantime, I'll stop replacing old images until/unless we sort this out. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:56, 3 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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== The Tangled Lands ==<br />
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I'm wondering, do you think [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?646553 The Tangled Lands] should be a COLLECTION rather than an ANTHOLOGY? Probably it should be a NOVEL. The Help says, "A publication containing two or more works of SHORTFICTION or POEMs by a single author or authors writing in collaboration should be typed as a COLLECTION. The typing of individual publications which contain works with various combinations of author credit should be discussed on the Community Portal on a case-by-case basis. The title page credit should be the major factor in determining the types of these kinds of publications." However, the blurb describes it as "a fantasy novel told in four parts" and even though the authors took turns writing the parts there is a strong element of collaboration. I think this should be discussed on the Community Portal but I wanted to give you a heads-up because you verified it. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 23:13, 9 March 2018 (EST)<br />
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:No prob moving this discussion to the Community Portal, if there's no established standard for this type of work. You can initiate that post today if you wish ... or I'll initiate it tomorrow if you'd prefer. Here are relevant data points:<br />
::- Awards: should consider how Locus, Nebula, Hugo will treat 'The Tangled Lands'. I anticipate they'll treat it as an anthology, and will consider the two new novellas as separate works. I'll drop an email to Tom Whitmore to see if he has any insight into this. Know anyone else we might ping?<br />
::- Novel: here are 2 examples of collaborative novels: The Mongoliad (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?31922) & Indigo (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2245643). Neither is organized as single-author stories.<br />
::- Anthology: in addition to the audio book I noted, there's also Medea (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?29606).<br />
::- Collection: I don't know of any example of a multi-author work categorized as a "collection". Do you?<br />
:[[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 10:55, 10 March 2018 (EST)<br />
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::: Several round-robin multi-author novels are entered as NOVEL, e.g. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2010167 Bookburners] and the Wild Cards novels (e.g. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2275113 Mississippi Roll]). As for multi-author collections, see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?646132 Darkness Whispers]. Also see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2220963 In This Point of Stillness], a less clear case, described by one of the authors (Mercedes Yardley) as "a limited edition He Said/She Said microfiction collaboration with Dustin LaValley... Each story is quite short (as microfiction is) and they tend to twine together a bit." In other words, the He Said/She Said part of the description suggests that they wrote stories in turn; but it is entered as COLLECTION because of the "collaboration" part of the description and the "twining together" of the stories. <br />
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::: In any case, I would appreciate if you create a Community Portal post tomorrow. Thanks. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 12:49, 10 March 2018 (EST)<br />
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::::I sent email to locus@locusmag.org asking how they'll classify the book for next year's Locus Awards, and I posted a message to Tobias Buckell's site asking for the authors' preference. Unless you object, I'll hold off on the Community post for a while to see if/how either of them respond. FWIW, Tom Whitmore pointed out that the publisher, Saga Press, refers to the book as a "novel", but noted that's also how publishers referred to Asimov's "Foundation" books, which ISFDB classifies as "collections". [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 14:43, 10 March 2018 (EST)<br />
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::::: Yes, thanks for doing that. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 15:02, 10 March 2018 (EST)<br />
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::::::Vasha, please change 'The Tangled Lands' to a collection. I'll do a post to Community Portal to share the responses I got from Locus & Tobias Buckell, which both recommended this classification for the book. And, it needs to be said: you were right. :) Thanks for pushing back. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:53, 21 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::Done. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 18:27, 21 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== The Year's Best Science Fiction & Fantasy: 2016 Edition ==<br />
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Hello, I've corrected a few things in our verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?564538 here] (<i>AIR</i> for Ryman, <i>Hemorrhage</i> for Lee, comma for Brenchley) and made appropriate variants. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 10:18, 15 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks for the cleanup edits! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 17:41, 15 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== World of Wonder ==<br />
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I am currently sorting out different Kafka translations from each other. Could you look inside your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?585886 World of Wonder] and see if it says who translated "Metamorphosis"? Thanks a lot. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 14:48, 19 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
:Copyright for this story on the "Acknowledgments" page is "copyright by Vanguard Press, 1946", so it's A.L. Lloyd's translation from http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?500664. Want me to add this info to http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?34962 and/or my verified http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?585886? [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 15:18, 19 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
:: Yes, please add the translator info to both eds of World of wonder, and unmerged those novella records t from "translator unknown" and merge them with the 1946 Lloyd record instead. Thanks. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 16:13, 19 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::Un-merged, and just submitted merge with Lloyd translation. Let me know if need to do any other changes. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:56, 20 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== The Tangled Lands ==<br />
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Added OCLC to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?646553 our verified] [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:12, 21 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Pretty Monsters ==<br />
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Your verified publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?260060 Pretty Monsters] had the title "Pretty Monsters: Stories" but I removed the subtitle because it's usual to not include low-information subtitles like "Stories" or "A Novel" in the database. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 14:02, 23 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks. I've seen it both ways, so was unclear on our standard. Good to know. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 13:55, 29 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Resolution ==<br />
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We actually have a type for graphic stories - you enter is as short story and then once approved, there is a checkbox for that (the same way we have for novelization, juvenile and non-genre). I fixed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2382615 this one]. Should I remove the interior art you added? or keep it there to keep the art credit on the author? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:15, 12 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
:Good to know. If convenient, please remove the interiorart item. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:18, 12 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
:: It had been kicked out from the publication and then deleted (as it now did not belong anywhere) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:22, 12 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
::: About your question [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3865458 here] - yep, that is exactly the way to do that :) Thanks for making the variant! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:06, 12 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Orbit 20 ==<br />
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Hi, I plan to add this note to your verified publication Orbit 20 <br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25115<br />
"The copyright registration shows a publication date of March 8, 1978" [[User:PatConolly|PatConolly]] 19:21, 25 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Kepler's Somnium ==<br />
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Hi. I get you to double check the title of "[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?69129 Somnium (excerpt)]" on page 65 of Derleth's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4426 Beyond Time and Space]'' E.F. Bleiler, the translator, lists it in his ''Science-Fiction: The Early Years'' as having the title "Somnium; or The Astronomy of the Moon: An Allegory of Science". He also doesn't mention that it is an excerpt. We have the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2391142 story] listed separately from the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2391143 notes]. The story is quite short, so I suspect the translation may be complete. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 22:03, 29 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
:Clute/Nicholls describes the translation as cut, so it does look like it is an excerpt. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:01, 30 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
::I keep finding more information. I hadn't read far enough in the review in ''Science-Fiction: The Early Years''. Bleiler does state that his translation is "limited to the basic document, with such of Kepler's notes as might interest a layman or explain points in the narrative." I think it might be appropriate to make it a variant of the story. Are the notes presented separately? If so, we could add another title for the abridged notes. If not, we could probably cover this with a note on the title record for this translation. Let me know what you think. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:46, 30 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::On the title page, the story title in large, bold type is "Somnium: or The Astronomy of the Moon". Below that are two lines in smaller italicized type: "An Allegory of Science, by Johannes Kepler" and "Translated by Everett F. Bleiler". Kepler's notes are embedded in the story as footnotes, so I would recommend they not be listed separately. I believe the story is complete, since it is presented as a dream and ends with the dreamer awakening. For the story title, I'd recommend using just the part in large bold type. The other two lines appear to be informational … and note that I included that information in the title record by quoting Derleth's introduction to the story. I'll go ahead and make the title edit as I've suggested. If you think it should also include the other two informational lines, please make that change. (BTW, apologies for delayed response. Been offline traveling for couple of weeks.) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 15:10, 2 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Planned Project Scope Expansion ==<br />
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(I am leaving this note on the Talk pages of some of the more active editors to make sure that we are not missing anything. If you have been following [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Inclusion_of_webzines_and_one-time_anthologies this Rules and Standards discussion] and agree with the proposal, please ignore this note.)<br />
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As per [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Inclusion_of_webzines_and_one-time_anthologies this discussion], [[ISFDB:Policy#Rules_of_Acquisition]] is about to be expanded to include:<br />
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* Speculative ''fiction'' webzines, which are defined as online periodicals with distinct issues<br />
* Special speculative ''fiction'' issues of non-genre webzines<br />
* One time speculative ''fiction'' anthologies published on the Web<br />
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If you believe that this scope expansion may cause unforeseen and/or undesirable consequences, please share your thoughts on the Rules and Standards page. TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:22, 4 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Leese Webster ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Can you check the notes of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?308334 your verified]. The original notes were attributing some of the data to OCLC (not specifying which part of the data); your current note attributes the month to it. However [http://www.worldcat.org/title/leese-webster/oclc/4775137 this record] does not say anything about a month. So - would you like to add the OCLC number and do the secondary verification and change the note not to point to OCLC for the month? Alternatively, just edit the notes to remove any reference to OCLC. Or is there another OCLC number that has the month? If so, can we add it? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:55, 6 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
:There's no pub month in the book itself. The sept reference was already in the ISFDB record, along with the pub notes referencing Locus #226 & OCLC … so I left all of that in assuming it was already verified info. Amazon says pub month was October. Want to make that authoritative? [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 23:28, 6 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
:: I am not arguing the month - just the note. The original message was crediting all the info about the book to OCLC and Locus. When you edited it after adding the details from your own book, it now implies that Locus and OCLC have the month as this is all you credit to the secondary sources. OCLC does not contain a month of publication. Hope this makes my message clearer. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:38, 6 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::Got it. Submitted edit to fix. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 17:16, 7 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Rogues ==<br />
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Added cover artist to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?442428 Rogues].[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 19:12, 3 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Seetee Shock ==<br />
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{{P|305011|This publication}} is listed as by Jack Williamson, but the cover says Will Stewart. A review for this version says it was published under the Stewart pen name. There is no publication note stating the title page is different than the cover. Would you please double check the credit? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:15, 15 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
::Good catch. Thanks! I missed that when editing the stub. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:42, 16 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Future Perfect ==<br />
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{{P|14893|Future Perfect}} has two cover records, but no statement explaining that. Is this intentional (separate front and back covers) or an error? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:59, 14 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:Not intentional, just an error. Just submitted edit to delete the redundant cover credit. Thanks for the catch! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:14, 17 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
::To get rid of the extra, need to use "Remove Titles From This Pub" vs. editing the pub. I have taken care of it. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:31, 17 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::Thanks for the tip, and for editing! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 12:27, 18 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Stories for Chip ==<br />
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I just noticed that in the Amazon preview of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?517781 Stories for Chip] which you verified, the table of contents shows the title on page 65 as "Fantasy Coffin" but at the head of the actual story, it is "Fantasy Coffins." The former is what's in the database. Could you check what's in the book and change it if necessary? Thanks --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha (cazadora de tildes)]] 20:50, 27 November 2018 (EST)<br />
:Wow, great catch (a single-character typo! :) Submitted edits to correct. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:35, 28 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Up the Walls of the World ==<br />
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You wrote: «I've submitted edit to Pub Notes. In particular, I'm noting that there is no statement of edition or printing on the copyright page, and no printing gutter code in the book, which I've verified in 2 copies.»<br />
: You're right about the copyright page, and yes, there is no gutter code. Printing information is given on the front flap of the dustjacket: '7802'. I could not see your submission b.t.w. Many thanks for your compliments about my Farmer Bibliography. [[User:Zlan52|Zlan52]] 19:30, 16 December 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Election Day 2084: Science Fiction Stories About the Future of Politics ==<br />
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Would you mind taking a look at [[User_talk:SFJuggler#Election_Day_2084:_Science_Fiction_Stories_About_the_Future_of_Politics|this discussion]]? While it's about the hc, it would be good to check the {{P|259665|tp version}} as well. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:18, 31 December 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Invaders of Earth ==<br />
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Added note to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18482 Invaders of Earth].[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 14:23, 1 January 2019 (EST)<br />
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== "Characters in the Margins of a Lost Notebook," in Stories for Chip is not an essay. ==<br />
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I tried to make an edit to change "Characters in the Margins of a Lost Notebook" from ESSAY to SHORTSTORY, but because you're a primary verifier, I think it needs your approval. Can you have a look at it? Thanks! http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4192010<br />
--[[User:Greg Hullender|Greg Hullender]] 11:31, 11 February 2019 (EST)<br />
:::Great catch, Greg. Thanks! Right way to fix is to change the title record, which corrects all appearances (in this case, both the hc & tp versions of 'Stories for Chip'.) I went ahead and submitted that edit, so you can just cancel your edit. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:57, 11 February 2019 (EST)<br />
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== ISBN ==<br />
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Hi, I replaced the ISBN's for both [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2511196 Sunspot Jungle, Volume One] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2511966 Sunspot Jungle, Volume Two] with their actual ISBN. These ISBNs will connect you to the right titles on both Amazon and WorldCat. The original sISBN as supplied by you -which no doubt is also to be found in/on the books- connects you to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?523557 The End of the World Is Rye], both on Amazon and on WOrldCat.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 06:05, 20 February 2019 (EST)<br />
:THANKS! Great fix. I've edited the Title Notes and Pub Notes for the 2 books. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 12:31, 20 February 2019 (EST)<br />
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== The Books of Earthsea ==<br />
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In your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?678150 The Books of Earthsea], there is a note stating there is an error in some page numbers. There really is not; it is simply that the color plates used as frontispieces for each of the six "books" have no page numbers. The first page of the books, with the title and a B&W illustration each, are the page numbers given in the toc. The last Roman numbered page is xii. I'll depend on Ofeara to fix the page numbers and note. I'm going to add a scan of the cover, a note saying there are 6 color plates on unnumbered pages acting as frontispieces for each volume included, and that the front and rear endpapers have the cover illustration on the left hand panel. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 17:07, 25 February 2019 (EST)<br />
:OK, thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 17:54, 25 February 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Fearn's Liners of Time ==<br />
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Could I get you to double check the publisher of John Russell Fearn's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?314763 Liners of Time]''. We have it listed as "Kingswood", but I'm pretty sure that it should be [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?22005 World's Work] which happens to be located in Kingswood, Surrey. It's listed as World's Work in several of the secondary sources. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:57, 5 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
:Good catch! Missed that when I originally edited the stub. Corrected. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 14:05, 13 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Our World in Space ==<br />
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For the essays in {{P|723198|Our World in Space}}, do they actually have "(Our World in Space)" as part of the title? We only add the book title to generic essay titles (Foreword, Introduction). If an essay has a non-generic title, only the title is entered. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:11, 14 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
:No, I added the book title to the essay titles, thinking they were generic. If that's improper, leave off the parenthetical book title. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:25, 14 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
:See that you already added the record. I'll edit the essay titles. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:26, 14 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks. Changes accepted. Is the "Mars" essay in this book the same as the one in your verified {{P|46566|The Science Fictional Solar System}}? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:59, 14 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
:::Good catch! No, it's not the same. I submitted title notes for both essays. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 12:10, 15 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Postscripts ==<br />
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I'm not sure what the problem is, perhaps because I don't know what edits you are trying to make. I added some notes and had no problem. I'm guessing that the problem is related to the specific edit(s); what are you trying to do? [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 11:10, 16 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
::Uh … doh! I added an essay, but didn't notice the type was 'editor' instead of 'essay'. Fixed & submitted. Sorry to bother you. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 21:16, 16 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
:::Done the same thing myself, glad you worked it out. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 22:05, 16 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Luna: New Moon ==<br />
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Added interior art credit to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?529389 Luna: New Moon][[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 14:31, 21 July 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Pulphouse: The Hardback Magazine, Issue 4: Summer 1989 ==<br />
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For the cover artist credit on {{P|60095|Pulphouse: The Hardback Magazine, Issue 4: Summer 1989}}, the artist's 'middle' name is usually given as "Duram". See {{A|Jacqualynn Duram-Nilsson}}. I would like to double check your credit before I make a new alternative name. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:41, 12 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
:Well, I double-checked, and, yes, it has the "h" ("Durham") on the copyright page, with no hyphen between "Durham" and "Nilsson". So yet another alternate spelling. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:30, 12 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
::Alternate name created. Thanks for checking. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:22, 13 August 2019 (EDT)<br />
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==Nebula Award Stories Nine==<br />
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You primary verified this title:http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23471 I have submitted a change to the "cover" designation for Al Nagy as "jacket design" as per statement on the back flap of the dust cover, and deleted him as doing the "cover art" (which was attributed to Abebooks). [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] 2:41, 3 September 2019 (CST)<br />
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== Three Stories ==<br />
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Added a note to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?51231 Three Stories].[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 23:45, 6 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Strange Horizons: The Spectrum of Science Fiction ==<br />
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I'll be entering the contents for your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?153461 Strange Horizons]. Also a note, most of the essays were published earlier in a briefer version (from page iv). No indication how much briefer these versions were, so I'll variant them to the originals. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:00, 8 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Best Short Novels 2004 ==<br />
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You are a primary verifier of http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?262895 I have submitted a detail to the pub note (on OCLC's error in the table of contents) & linked Goodreads in external IDs. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] 12:21, 9 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Sorry, beat you to it ==<br />
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You got the full service moderator today - who merges and deletes things when they obviously need to be done. :) So the Title remove was already done by the time yours made it to the queue :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:08, 30 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Notes formatting ==<br />
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When you are just updating a record and you do not plan to verify (or even if you do but there are other verifiers and you are just reformatting and not adding substantial information), please do not change the style of the notes (from non-html to html and vice versa). Not everyone is proficient enough with html to be comfortable with ul/li and we do not enforce one style over the other. Thanks in advance for respecting the other editors' styles. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:02, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:OK, thanks for tip. FWIW, in this case, none of the prior editors are currently active.[[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 13:22, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:: Yeah I know but people leave and then come back sometimes :) Think of it as a courtesy thing - if you are adding a lot of data, you are the one writing the note so you do whatever formatting you want. If you are doing housekeeping, you leave things as you found them and just add/fix. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:33, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:::OK[[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 13:37, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Nisi Shawl's ''Talk Like a Man'' ==<br />
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Hi, I'd think the title, and also the notes, would better be adapted to meet the other publications / titles in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?489 this series]. What do you think, and: shall I do it? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:27, 21 November 2019 (EST)<br />
:Done. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 08:49, 22 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks! I'll add some more informations to the notes, if you don't mind. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:37, 22 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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::: Done. And the cover image was uploaded too. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:58, 22 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Have Space Suit Will Travel Graphic Novel ==<br />
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I rejected your variant of "Have Space Suit Will Travel Graphic Novel" to "Have Space Suit - Will Travel". A graphic novel version is significantly different than a text version so it would not be considered the same work for ISFDB purposes. Variants are for the same work under a different title / author name. We merge / variant minor differences, but major differences are kept separate works. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:57, 23 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:OK, thanks. Good to know. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 10:06, 23 December 2019 (EST)<br />
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== The Slow Regard of Silent Things ==<br />
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I rejected your deletion of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?520611 The Slow Regard of Silent Things]. I'm pretty sure the edition exists; I've seen a variety of other examples where the publisher produced a limited number of signed copies of trade hardcovers like this. I did change the ISBN to that of the trade edition, and the publication date as well. I looked the book up on bookfinder.com and think I found examples for sale there. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 14:31, 23 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:I'm unclear on ISFDB standard for publisher-signed trade first editions that are finite, but not "limited" (no copy number/letter, no limitation page, no difference in the ISBN or copyright page.) Such copies are indistinguishable from a trade first edition which was event-signed. A "signed copy" sticker on the jacket is not a useful differentiator, because bookstores also do that for their event-signed books (and, anyway, those stickers are usually removed.) I checked, and didn't see any discussion of this in the wiki. If the standard is a separate listing for publisher-signed copies, does it matter if the signature was in-person for the publisher, or autopen? (I've got examples of both.) Anyway, if there's a standard, I'll snap to it of course. If there's no standard, I'd recommend addressing publisher-signed copies via a Pub Note rather than a separate listing. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:08, 23 December 2019 (EST)<br />
::Mark, I don't think there is an ISFDB standard. I asked in the Community Portal, and got two responses from two excellent moderators that were opposites. I suggest that you can use a pub note if you wish, but if someone else has entered the pub as a separate publication, just leave it. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 18:25, 27 December 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Author update of Introduction (Time and the Riddle) ==<br />
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Hi Mark, you submitted an author update from ''Howard Fast'' to ''Frank Campenni, Ph.D.''. We do not add titles to names, so I've approved and removed the Ph.D part. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:04, 4 January 2020 (EST)<br />
:Argh! Scrap that. Turns our we do... sorry... [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:08, 4 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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== {{p|250560|((Frequencies))}} ==<br />
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Is it really $17.76, or could it be a typo? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:27, 22 January 2020 (EST)<br />
:Not a typo. That really is the price on the book. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 12:09, 23 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Collector's Book of Science Fiction ==<br />
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: <s>''to be continued (now falling asleep at the wheel) -Pwendt''</s><br />
Happy February's Eve. You are one of two ISFDB verifiers for ''The Collector's Book of Science Fiction [by H. G. Wells]'' (P{{p|37319}} as April 1978). In contemporary newspapers I find several listings in 1978/79 newspaper advertisements of book sales. US prices $4.99 to $6.99, including one $5.99 as early as August 1978. <br />
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Unfortunately only one December 1979 advert reports a list price (as "$", where I infer Canadian currency):<br />
: Published at C$12.50 [and] Sale price C$7.98<br />
No publisher, so a Canada edition is possible, although not to be expected. The same advertisement also lists ''Science Fiction by the Rivals of H. G. Wells'' (P{{p|29097}} as April 1979) at the same prices C$12.50 and C$7.98. "The Book Barn ... Science Fiction, Astrology and Occult Week", ''The Globe and Mail'' (Toronto), 1979-12-01 p. G19.<br />
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The latter Castle Books anthology I don't find in newspapers by automated search ("Science Fiction by the Rivals").<br><br />
WorldCat reports your collection only as published by Castle Books ([https://www.worldcat.org/search?q=au%3Awells%3B+ti%3AThe+collector%27s+book+of+science+fiction&qt=results_page au:wells; ti:The collector's book of science fiction"]).<br />
: ''to be continued (now falling asleep at the wheel)'' --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:35, 31 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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2020-02-01: Newspaper search from 1980 to 1989 yields no more information about either of the Castle Books publications (except that some of the same bookstores considered it worthwhile to advertise them as titles on sale during 1980). What do you think of this item extending your bullet-list of publication notes:<br />
: C$12.50 list price for this title in Canada (currency and publisher not stated) is noted in one Toronto bookstore advertisement: "The Book Barn ... Science Fiction, Astrology and Occult Week", ''The Globe and Mail'' (Toronto), 1979-12-01 pG19.<br />
--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:36, 1 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Science Fiction by the Rivals of H. G. Wells ==<br />
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Hi, again. Since yesterday you are a new primary verifier for ''Science Fiction by the Rivals of H. G. Wells'' (P{{p|29097}} as April 1979). What do you think of this item extending your bullet-list of publication notes: <br />
: C$12.50 list price for this title in Canada (currency and publisher not stated) is noted in one Toronto bookstore advertisement: "The Book Barn ... Science Fiction, Astrology and Occult Week", ''The Globe and Mail'' (Toronto), 1979-12-01 pG19.<br />
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Here you are the only one active among three primary verifiers. The others have not replied on their talk pages since 2014 and 2016. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:48, 1 February 2020 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for checking, but no problem if you want to add that pub note based on your verification of the 1979 newspaper. Gotta say, I'm amazed that you've got access to such an old paper, and that you found that price reference. Kudos! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:28, 2 February 2020 (EST)<br />
::: Done. {{done}}<br />
::: For the companion book (immediately above) I await the other primary verifier, who is active.<br />
::: I have a university library subscription to Historical Newspapers at ProQuest.com (ambient inside the main library building). That provides automated text search of contents for many important English-language newspapers and magazines, and images of the hits. I'm sure these searches do miss much original content, but they do hit much. For example that may be more remarkable: Last hour I read some early 1850 notices of ''The Works of the Late Edgar Allan Poe'' published by J. S. Redfield T{{t|1006342}} --including UK price 15s. in one advertisement; unfortunately no US price reported in any of numerous items. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:29, 3 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Royo ==<br />
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I added cover art credit to {{P|264622|this book}}, which you are the primary verifier [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 00:58, 10 February 2020 (EST) <br />
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: Susan, I put this submission, making {{A|Luis Royo}} the artist, on hold. You left the pub note saying the artwork is not credited, and you did not give a secondary source for the credit. Where does the credit come from? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:23, 10 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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::Marty, the cover is a version of http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1378125 this cover... there's also one without the cape at all... here [https://ofearna.us/art/royo/Women/52-YoungBleys.jpg Royo: Women page 52: "Young Bleys"] [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 20:39, 10 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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:::Ok, thanks. I accepted the submission and added a reference to the other cover in the pub notes as the source of the artist credit. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 09:06, 11 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Dangerous Visions - Harlan Ellison ==<br />
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Hello, you are sole PV {{P|225533|here}} and I'd be grateful if you could confirm that each story has an introduction by Ellison and that there's also an afterword by each story's author. Thanks, Kev. [[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] 01:29, 13 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Decades of Science Fiction ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?763295 this one]. Non-fiction pieces outside of NON-FICTION books are always recorded as essays - even if they are a few thousand pages. :) So I changed that while approving. What is the title page showing? Is the Instructor's edition mentioned there (if so, the pub title should change)? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:53, 27 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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:Hi, Annie. I just uploaded new cover image. No: not the title page nor any other page is different from the 'student' edition. Just the covers and included pages, as described. No prob with your change, of course. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 08:47, 28 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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:: Ok then :) I was just making sure -- cloning does not allow the change of Pub title so wanted to make sure we do not forget to change it if we have to :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:00, 28 February 2020 (EST)<br />
::: PS: I approved [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4588005 this] as the other PV had been gone for 12 years but even when you are a PV, unless you are the only one, putting a short summary of what you changed in the Notes field is useful for figuring out what information came from where. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:03, 28 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Takeoff ==<br />
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I added the LCCN to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34229 Takeoff]. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 16:29, 29 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Reviews in Magill's Survey of Science Fiction Literature ==<br />
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I have added [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?768013 this publication] which reprints several book reviews by Jack Williamson, including 4 that first appeared in Frank N. Magill's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?231769 Survey of Science Fiction Literature]''. The reviews in question appear on pages 56 through 72. Please feel free to import them into the correct volume. I'll leave this same note on the other verifier's [[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk page]]. However, they have a note about checking in infrequently, so you may see this first. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:09, 12 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Jules Verne translations ==<br />
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I have been documenting the various translations of Jules Verne's works and trying to identify a piece of text from each translation so editors can position their publications under the correct title record. You are on record as a primary verifier for one or more publications for which I am looking for text or which are placed under a generic translation title. I would be grateful if you could assist in this by checking your copies, as listed below, and providing the initial text for missing translations or an indication of the translation for those unspecified. These are listed on the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Jules_Verne_Translations Jules Verne Translations] wiki. Thank you. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 15:04, 18 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
*Unspecified translation: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?698149 Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea] (title) in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?407994 Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea] (publication)<br />
:: Excellent. I've started moving the publication's entry to the correct title record. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 20:05, 18 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
*Unspecified translation: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?69127 Doctor Ox's Experiment] (title) in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4426 Beyond Time and Space] (publication)<br />
:: Your note says it omits the first paragraph, but sounds more like an introduction. The name of Doctor Ox doesn't come into it until a couple of chapters in. Here are links to the original texts for translations by [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=wu.89006931273&view=1up&seq=45 Alger] and [https://books.google.ca/books?id=-QECAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false Towle] (the drop down menu in the upper right will let you jump to the story). Does your copy look anything like either of these? If it doesn't pick up later with something like this, it's likely a new translation entirely. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 20:05, 18 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
*Unspecified translation: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?79820 Master Zacharius] (title) in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?763295 Decades of Science Fiction] (publication)<br />
:: Great. I've started moving the publication's entry to the correct title record. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 20:05, 18 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Edited the pubs, added a note on your talk page.[[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:02, 18 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::Dr. Ox is a lightly edited abridgement of Towle. I submitted pub note update. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 13:10, 19 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Doctor Ox's Experiment ==<br />
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Regarding your note [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4632723 here]: story was moved to where it belongs.<br />
When you need to move a story from one variant to another, it is a two step process. <br />
* Step 1: Open the title page of your story and go to "Unmerge Titles" in the left menu. From the list that it opens, select the publication you want to change and submit. Once this is approved, the story in this book is not connected anywhere.<br />
* Step 2: Merge it with the place it needs to go to(or variant it to the parent if this will be a new variant - in this case, edit as well to add the notes on why it is a new variant). In this case, as the Towle variant existed with the correct title, I simply merged. <br />
Note: This process works for every type of publication except omnibuses - for omnibuses, you should remove the title from the publication and either add or import the correct one instead (these two actions can be submitted in parallel). <br />
Let me know if you have any questions :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:26, 27 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks, Annie! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 09:58, 28 April 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The World That Couldn't Be and 8 Other Novelets from Galaxy ==<br />
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Added a note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55353 The World That Couldn't Be and 8 Other Novelets from Galaxy].[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 13:03, 2 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Velocity ==<br />
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Added a note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?423435 this] referring to a copy I obtained recently. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 07:58, 7 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Harlan Ellison's titles ==<br />
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Hello Mark. Wanted to let you know I've accepted your submissions, but had to fix html for all of them: changed '<a/ href=...' to '<a href=...'. Also, I've fixed a typo in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?56425 this one] where I changed ''PHOENIX WITHOUT AHSES'' into ''PHOENIX WITHOUT ASHES'' -- [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:32, 23 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:THANKS, user:MagicUnk! I apologize for the html typos. Thanks for the fix and the syntax reminder. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 09:19, 23 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: You're welcome! :) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 09:35, 23 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Binti: The Complete Trilogy ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Can you check your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?697576 verified] and see if it has the DAW Collectors number (1813) on the copyright page? I can see it on the ebook so verifying if it is also on the hardcover so we can add it here (or add a note that it is not). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:04, 29 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Yes, it's there. I submitted edit. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 14:46, 30 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Long Tomorrow ==<br />
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When you say "graphic stories" [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4672604 here], are those heavily illustrated stories or comics (aka if you remove the pictures, does the story hold together?) If they are comics and the story cannot exist without the illustrations (which is my usual experience with Moebius), then this is not eligible at this time (annoys me a lot - I like comics - but we do have the Rules of Acquisition) :( [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:44, 5 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Hi, Annie. Yes, the graphic stories require the artwork, and they are formatted in boxes as in a comic. The stories are clearly genre. The stories are collected in a hardcover book. Moebius is in the Science Fiction Hall of Fame, and has a page in ISFDB. This book is, in all respects, the exact same as the anthologies listed for Stan Lee. Check out his ISFDB page. If the Rules of Acquisition allow the Stan Lee anthologies, they should allow this Moebius collection. IMHO. :) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:45, 7 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Hello, Annie. Here are some more examples of comic-formatted graphic genre books which are currently allowed in ISFDB: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?22809, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2640629, and http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1321468. Reading the Policy and Moderator discussion pages, I believe ISFDB has defaulted to Wikipedia for definition of excluded "comics". IMHO none of these previously allowed books (or the Moebius graphic collection) are "comics" as defined in the Wikipedia article. I see my submission is still Pending, so I'm looking forward to seeing how Moderators resolve this. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 15:43, 8 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: I was mostly away yesterday :)<br />
:: Noone argues that this is not science fiction - it very obviously is. The question is if it meets our definition of "published speculative fiction" and is not excluded specifically. Just because something is allowed before does not make it eligible - we find books that need removing often. <br />
:: The Ray Bradbury books are allowed as "above the treshold" author ones - which trumps pretty much any 'do not include' rule except for non-genre essays in non-genre publication one and similar restrictions. Same for Delany's and Gaiman's. So these are not comparable here - they would not have been allowed if they were not by these authors. Stan Lee's is iffy and do not belong if they are comics and not prose stories with illustrations... I am actually getting one of those anthologies to verify what they are exactly because they got me curious. <br />
:: I am thinking on that - I still find this ineligible UNLESS we add it as non-fiction (aka as an art album) which will be even more absurd as this is not that either. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:22, 8 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: A published hardcover book of SF stories that "very obviously is" science fiction, and is by an SF HoF inductee, is not "published speculative fiction." Yep, I agree: that sounds absurd. Well, I'm here with my box of popcorn, watching the show. Can't wait to see what happens next. ;) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:15, 8 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: A published book of "graphic format" SF stories. That's the part you chose to ignore for some reason. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Exclusions the exclusions]: <br />
::::* Speculative fiction is defined to exclude: ...Comic books, manga, and graphic novels... <br />
:::: That's what makes this book most likely ineligible and that's why I asked if it is illustrated text or sequential art (aka comics). We do not have an exception for SF HOF members unless we want to treat them as above treshold by default (which needs to be discussed with the community) - simply because most of them are obviously above the treshold - there aren't that many comics writers in the list. If you think we need to expand the rules and allow the sequential art forms (comics, graphic novels, mangas and similar), use R&S and find support for it. Moebius is in the DB for his covers, illustrations of other works and essays - not for his comics. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:51, 8 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: PS: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Moebius.2C_SF_HOF_and_comics Moderator Discussion] - if you want to keep an eye on it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:59, 8 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
(unindent) I rejected the addition. Comics/graphic novels/sequential art are allowed only if they are by above threshold authors (and induction in HOF does not make an author above the threshold if they do not have eligible for inclusion titles) or when they are in part of a genre publication - story in an otherwise non-graphic anthology or in a genre magazine for example. As you can see in the Moderator thread, we are working on revising the help page language so it is clearer what "published" means in terms of ISFDB. Sorry. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:26, 9 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Just as an update - the Stan Lee anthologies above are indeed text stories with 1 black and white illustration each. Which makes them eligible for addition. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:53, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== This Is How You Lose the Time War length ==<br />
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Would you please look at [[User_talk:PeteYoung#This_Is_How_You_Lose_the_Time_War_length|this discussion]]? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:58, 12 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
::We don't need to count words. When I originally edited the stub I left it as a novel. Since then, the authors & the awards committees agree the story is a novella, so the book is a chapbook. I just submitted edits to change the book to chapbook and the title to novella. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 12:53, 13 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Joe Hill's ''Full Throttle'' Barnes & Noble signed edition ==<br />
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finally got around to pulling this book and took photoes [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 01:36, 17 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Art of Richard Powers ==<br />
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Hello. I agree with your deletion, but I have put your submission on hold as I'd like to check in with Ahasuerus if he can move that single PV to the UK edition record. Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:51, 21 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Hi Mark. I've finally accepted your delete submission - sorry for the long wait. Totally lost sight of it. Hope you'll forgive me [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:01, 6 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Title Record Formatting ==<br />
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HTML formatting should not be used in titles (publication or content). It breaks search as users would not be able to find the title without typing the HTML. You are welcome to document the formatting in the notes if you wish. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:03, 26 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Variant Dates ==<br />
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I had to reject a couple of changes to variant dates. Variants are dated to the first appearance of the variant, not of the parent. This allows people to see history of title, credit changes, etc. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:36, 27 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:OK. I was unclear on that policy. Thanks for clarification. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:51, 27 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Lamps on the Brow ==<br />
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Would you please check the title of the story on page 89 of {{P|185009|Lamps on the Brow}}? Is it "Hermes' Horn" as listed or "Hermes' Lady"? There is another who says they have the book and wants to change it. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:35, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Whoops. The title for that story should be "Herne's Lady", not "Hermes' Lady". "Herne" is last name of a character in the story. I missed that when verifying. Let me know if you'd like for me to make that edit. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:50, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
::I made the change. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:38, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Hidden Girl and Other Stories ==<br />
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Hi Mark, in your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?753516 verified pub], how about removing the "An excerpt from..." from 'A Chase Beyond the Storms', as it's not strictly part of the title of the story? I've just verified the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?757447 UK edition] and I've added that particular detail to the Notes. What do you think? [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 15:51, 14 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:OK, I made the change in the US edition. I assume you'll make the change in the UK edition. FWIW, "an excerpt from ..." is in the Table of Contents and the story's title page, but it's in italics so I'm OK with not treating it as a subtitle. Regards. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:07, 14 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Adventure ==<br />
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Left a message with [[User talk:MLB|MLB]]. If he agrees, I will change. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:32, 14 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Change made. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:20, 14 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Art of George R. R. Martin's A Song of Ice & Fire ==<br />
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Regarding your ''The Art of George R. R. Martin's A Song of Ice & Fire'' submissions: You are adding a pub series for these books. We differentiate between publisher level series like {{PubSeries|26|Ballantine Adult Fantasy}}) from title series (universe or groupings of books independent of publisher like {{Series|11825|Dune Universe}}). This would seem to be better represented as a title series since they would still be in the same series even if a different publisher would reprint them. Thoughts? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:58, 28 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:As there has been no response, I have gone with a title series instead. I accepted the new pub edit and the additional details to the other pub, but rejected the edit that only added the pub series, removed the pub series from the other two, and added the title series. For {{P|336761|Volume 2}}, the record has a "2", but the cover has "Two". If the title page is different than the cover, it would be good to add a pub note stating they differ. If the title page has "Two", than the record needs to be updated. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:31, 30 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for correcting the series, and pointing out the title issue. Just submitted edit to fix the title ("Two" instead of "2".) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:49, 30 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== ''SpaceShip One: An Illustrated History'' ==<br />
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I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4704029 your submission of ''SpaceShip One: An Illustrated History''] on hold and I am trying to figure out whether the book is eligible for inclusion based on our inclusion policy.<br />
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Your Note to Moderator reads "entering because of Arthur C. Clarke's Foreword". I think the relevant part of the [[ISFDB:Policy#Rules_of_Acquisition|Rules of Acquisition]] is:<br />
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* Works (both fiction and non-fiction) which are not related to speculative fiction, but were produced by authors who have otherwise published works either of or about speculative fiction over a ''certain threshold'' (see below). This includes any non-genre works published as standalone books as well as non-genre short fiction, but '''excludes non-fiction which was not published as a standalone book''' [emphasis added]. Thus, Poul Anderson's mysteries and his non-fiction book about thermonuclear weapons will be included, but Gregory Benford's professionally published scientific articles will be excluded.<br />
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The wording is a bit convoluted since it tries to cover multiple scenarios. However, the emphasized part appears to suggest that we shouldn't be entering otherwise ineligible publications just because they include non-fiction essays by authors "above the threshold" (like Clarke.) Would you agree? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:40, 28 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I defer to you, of course, since you've got a concern I don't: conservation of cost/space. If that's an issue, then I understand why the wiki policy needs to be ring-fenced so carefully. If there were no cost/space constraints, I'd argue in favor of more inclusive guidelines to support the research and archive goals of the wiki. Case in point: I'd include a non-genre publication in order to document an Arthur C. Clarke essay about space exploration. Bottom line: I'll continue to submit publications I think are appropriate, but I've got no problem with moderators making conservative choices to conserve cost/space. Thanks for asking, though. :) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 10:19, 29 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:: I don't think it is a space/cost thing as much as not loading the DB with thousands of books which are out of scope. Some of the modern genre writers have penned hundreds of introductions outside of the genre for example... And we are mainly a fiction DB - so we are more restricted on the non-fiction as a rule -- we will get any fiction piece we can claim as published (and which is not a comics/GN) but for non-fiction, we are a bit more careful. We can always reopen the discussion on that - and change the consensus - as we did when we opened the rules to allow webzines for example. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:16, 29 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::: That's right, the space/cost associated with an additional non-fiction book -- or even 50,000 additional non-fiction books -- would be marginal. The main problems would be performance and the ease of navigation. Clarke's (or Asimov's) "Summary" pages are already very busy, take a long time to compile/display and are hard to navigate. Adding hundreds of forewords, magazine articles, etc would aggravate the problem. It would also create thousands of new author records for people who are not directly related to written SF, in this case Dan Linehan.<br />
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::: More broadly, it's important to make sure that all submissions adhere to [[ISFDB:Policy]] as closely as possible. Even if a moderator approves a book that is "out of scope" as currently defined, there is nothing stopping another editor from coming across it a month or a year later, saying "Hm, this is clearly out of scope" and deleting the record. A creation-deletion cycle like that would generate a great deal of frustration for everyone involved.<br />
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::: If you would like to see the inclusion policy changed, please start a discussion on the [[Rules and standards discussions]] page. Policies do change over time -- in 2020 alone we have made 8 changes as per [[Rules and standards changelog]]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:52, 29 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::::I appreciate your all's perspective. Thanks for replies. I don't want to add to the moderators' workload, so I'm not going to pursue a broader policy. Thanks to all moderators for your service. And apologies in advance if I occasionally submit another out-of-scope pub. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:44, 29 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Teen-Age Science Fiction Stories ==<br />
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Cover and explanation of its provenance added to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?391031 verified]. Let me know if you have any concerns with it. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:09, 29 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Excellent edit. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 13:45, 29 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== {{P|286141|Adventure in Space}} ==<br />
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Hi, this publication is showing up on the cleanup reports for a mismatch between the publication author (MacVicar and Moore) and the title author (uncredited).<br />
If the title page does not list both authors and 'only' states the book's title <i>Adventure in Space</i> then you will want to change the publication author to uncredited, too, or the title author, if the two names are indeed stated on the title page. Thanks. John. [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] 16:32, 29 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:fixed. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 12:11, 30 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Perfect Robot ==<br />
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Does {{P|28382|Robots Robots Robots}} state the translator for "The Perfect Robot" (page 225) or that this is the same version as from ''Time Out of Mind''? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:04, 2 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:It's the same. Footnote credit is "Reprinted from 'Time Out of Mind and Other Stories' by Pierre Boulle, Copyright 1966". Let me know if you'd like me to add a pub note. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 09:09, 2 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::I added the translator credit to the {{T|79792|The Perfect Robot}} title record and wanted to make sure they were all the same. If not, we'd split them out into separate variants. Your choice on the pub notes. The title translator note is supposed to be sufficient. However, we're not always great at ensuring those are correct for all pubs under the record. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:24, 2 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Fool's Gold ==<br />
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The price for Your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?263975 pv pub] is given as £3.50 in [http://explore.bl.uk/primo_library/libweb/action/search.do?fn=search&vl(freeText0)=9780200726221 British Library]. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 16:06, 14 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks! Submitted edit. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:32, 14 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Dead Astronauts ==<br />
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Hi, the record of your primary-verified {{P|741608|Dead Astronauts}} states 336 pages. I've got the same edition and printing, but my copy has 323 pages only, not 336. Can you please check you copy?<br />
Also, I'd change the publisher from "MCD" to "[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?59418 MCD / Farrar, Straus and Giroux]" (see copyright page). <br />
Thanks, Jens [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] 15:22, 18 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Good catch, Jens. Thanks! Page count was just a typo. Glad you caught it. I submitted edit with your fixes. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 15:34, 18 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Great, thanks. Approved, and verified it myself now. :) Jens [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] 15:36, 18 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Stanisław Lem ==<br />
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Hello Mark. You requested to delete author record {{a|Stanislaw Lem}} and move its interior art records to Stanisław Lem. However, we can't do that as there are publications that use Stanislaw Lem as author name (without the Polish ł). Looking into your request some more, it is somewhat complicated. First of all, it must be established that the author's name in all editions of {{p|47795|The Star Diaries}} is indeed written as Stanisław Lem. If it is, than it is a simple matter of updating the author of each individual contents record to the author's name (with Polish ł). If it is not, then the titles must first be unmerged from the ones with, and without, Polish ł. And then again update the contents titles that have the Polish ł author name (and leave the ones without Polish ł as-is).<br />
Could you confirm what the individual editions have as author name? (Looking at the covers, I'm afraid it's going to be the latter, and first unmerge titles...)<br />
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By the way, probably a good idea to check in with more seasoned moderators, too (think Annie :) Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:00, 20 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Sorry, the names looked identical to me. I didn't notice that small difference between "l" and "ł". Uh ... what if we just leave everything like it is? Seems like it'll be a lot of work to sort this out. That said: if the moderators decide y'all want to do it, I've got a lot of Lem's English-language publications, so I could submit edits as needed for all my books. Your call. Let me know what you want to do. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:22, 20 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: If you could confirm your edition of {{p|47795|The Star Diaries}} has the Polish "ł"? I'll then have a look at it myself. Also, please do not hesitate to add/update records for Lem publications you own. We like our little database to be as accurate as possible :) Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 01:48, 21 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::OK, you can see on image I posted it uses the "Polish i", so I submitted edit changing all non-imported instances of his name. Let me know if I should switch all the imported content to versions with 'Polish i'. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 09:49, 21 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: Yes :) Contents author should match the container one (unless the stories have their own title pages where it is credited differently). PS: It is a Polish L, not I. Polish is one weird language (in a sea of weird language in the Western Slavic branch) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:20, 21 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Cincinatti ==<br />
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In {{T|2697368|Cincinatti Lou}} is the misspelling of Cincinnati original to the publication or a database typo? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:28, 30 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Good catch. Thanks! Submitted edits to correct the typo. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 17:43, 30 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Star Diaries ==<br />
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Your verified pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?47795 The Star Diaries] somehow got the author Stanislaw Lem labelled as a variant of Stanislaw Lem, causing the duplication of the author in the data base. I've gone through and eliminated the duplication of the author's name in the pub and the stories in the pub. Can't imagine how that happened. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 17:43, 31 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Bob, PLEASE make sure you are not undoing all the splitting we did between Stanislaw Lem and Stanisław Lem - that "L" in the first name is different in both forms - l vs ł. The Polish name uses ł. A lot of the modern editions use that in other languages as well. Older ones use a normal l. We NEED both names in the DB. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:50, 31 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: And you can see the thread just a few lines above [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Markwood#Stanis.C5.82aw_Lem here] where we actually talked about that. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:53, 31 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
(unindent) Markwood, can you do me a favor and look through this one again. I fixed all the author names, connected all to their originals, added the translator and copied the pages from the old record but a second set of eyes, especially with the book, on the page numbers will be appreciated. I am also going to chase down the rest of the editions that do not have the Polish L - at least a few need to join yours - but I need to look at title pages to be sure. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:16, 31 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::Annie, I'm in awe. I have to use a magnifying glass to see that tiny cross-stroke on the "Polish L". :) I reviewed "The Star Diaries" listing and can confirm you got every one. Checked my Lem books and found four more that have same problem: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?86312, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?188337, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37775, and http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?22921. All have the Polish L on title page and jacket front. If you want to share the work, let me know which 2 you'll do, and I'll do the other 2. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 09:53, 1 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: Well, I will love to help if you need assistance. I see two novels and 2 collections so why don't you try your hand in one of the novels and see how it goes and let me know if you want me to just swap them. The steps for collections are (let's take [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?22921 this one] which has 14 stories):<br />
::::* Unmerge the COLLECTION record to pull this one out from the ones with the English l in the name and variant it back up and add translator - 3 edits <br />
::::* Remove all the stories and added the same stories but with the correct author (keeping track of what is on what page in the process and matching the length field) - as we did not have records for them under the proper name - 1 edit (add stories, fix the pub and title author name), one removeTitles to get the old stories out. <br />
::::* Add translator to all old ones (that do not have it - if we are around anyway) and all new stories (14+14)<br />
::::* Variant the newly created titles to their originals. (14)<br />
:::: So at least 57 edits to get this one book to look as it should if you do not need to redo any. Maybe a few less if some of the old stories already have translators :) <br />
:::: For a novel, it is much easier (as the initial unmerge will give you the pub to edit and you can do everything inside of it (so unmerge to pull the publication out, then once approved, just edit the new publication that carries the new title (change the author name on both places on the Pub Edit screen as now this title is only in this publication) and then add translator to the TITLE record and variant it to the original and you are all done in 4 edits). Let me know if something is unclear and how you want to proceed. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:36, 1 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::::I submitted edits for the 2 novels. As for the other ~100 edits to do the 2 collections ... uh ... I'm gonna pass for now. I've got time for a handful of edits per day, so it'd take me weeks at this time to do the collections. When I've got more free time I'll check the collections and do the edits if still needed. Really sorry I can't tackle that right now. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 12:36, 1 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::::: I will clear them up tonight or later this week. :) And no worries at all -- collections with translations can be... interesting to work on. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:05, 1 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::::: OK, Step 1 on these 2 novels approved. I am around for when you submit the unmerge on both to approve for you. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:15, 1 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::::::Annie, appears I'll need for you to do the unmerge. I've never done that and assumed I could figure it out ... but there's no 'unmerge' on editing menus, and there's no 'unmerge' Help topic in the wiki, so ... Help me, Obi Wan Annie, you're my only hope. ;) Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 17:58, 1 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::::::: It is on the title level, not on the pub level. So let's work with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?86312 this one]. Click on the title record: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?187178 here]. Now look at the left menu and locate "Unmerge Titles". It will open [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/tv_unmerge.cgi?187178 this]. Locate your book (as you changed the author already, just search for "Stanisław" and it will pop up (it is the first one). Once approved, your book will get away from the others. As you already fixed the publication, all that will remain after that will be to edit the new title records (to add the translator - the author will get fixed from the unmerge as it will pick it up from the publication) and then to make it a variant of the Polish record. Would you like to try to do this with the two of them? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:07, 1 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::::::::THANKS! Always good to learn something. :) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 12:17, 2 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::::::::: Teach a man to fish... (and then you do not need to wade in the cold water at 4 am in the morning). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:57, 2 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::::: I saw that you fixed that one, I finished [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?188337 this one] just now so the two novels are all set :) I will work on the two collections later this week. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:38, 2 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== tr-template ==<br />
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Hello. Just a quick note to use the tr-template <nowiki>{{tr|name}}</nowiki> when adding translators to notes. Using it will make it easier to convert to proper translators field (and narrators and...) once we have support for these. Regards[[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 02:03, 23 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Cool! Didn't know about Templates, had never used them. Thanks for expanding my HTML vocabulary! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 08:40, 23 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Well, it's actually not html (as far as I understand it), but a construct that is used in the ISFDB for all kinds of templates. Have a look [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Using_Templates_and_HTML_in_Note_Fields#Templates here] for what you can use (do note that there are actually two sets of templates; [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Using_Templates_and_HTML_in_Note_Fields#Templates one set] to use in the ISFDB itself, the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Linking_templates other set] for use in this wiki). Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 12:58, 23 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Parable of the Sower variant ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4776933 this one]: We do not variant adaptations into their originals. Variants are used in four cases for text titles:<br />
* Same text (with minor revisions) but different forms of the title or author<br />
* Translation<br />
* In case of novels, splitting the novel into volumes<br />
* Serializations (as serials)<br />
When the work is an adaptation (being it in graphic format or for younger readers for example), we connect only via the notes (or via adding them into a series together). If the graphic novel contains the complete text of the story (some of Shakespeare's GNs are like that), the text story should be added as a text story (in this case, it is a real adaptation so this does not apply). Hope that makes sense and let me know if I can assist further. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:02, 28 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks for info. Good to know. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 14:10, 28 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Saga Press vs. Saga Press / Gallery ==<br />
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Hello Mark. You've PV'd {{p|753516|The Hidden Girl and Other Stories}} and {{p|717815|Unforeseen}} and {{p|717832|This Is How You Lose the Time War}}. In light of [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Issue_with_Saga_Press_-_how_to_resolve.3F this discussion], would you be OK with checking the copyright page, and thus converting the publisher to just Saga Press? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 06:28, 14 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Done. No prob. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 15:36, 14 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Kingdoms of the Wall ==<br />
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Hi Markwood,<br />
I have edited the record for Kingdoms of the Wall. Might want to check your copy, make sure the info I have added doesn't conflict. Let me know if there is a problem. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 18:21, 20 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Good edits. No prob. Thx for heads-up. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:42, 20 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Edited by ==<br />
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Are you sure that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2789633 this cover] is by Elana Balbusso and not Elena Balbusso? :) As far as I know, there is no third Balbusso sister called Elana :) Also - when adding the same art, you can import instead of adding a new record - I merged the two that got created when you added the two separate records in both books. Let me know if you have any questions. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:46, 22 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:I'm 100% certain the first name is spelled "Elana" on the back flap of the dust jacket ... but now that I've checked the extensive illustration listing for "Elena", I'm 99% certain it's a typo. I'll go with that assumption and make the edits. As always, THANKS for the careful review, Annie! And, BTW: ISFDB was included in Ellen Datlow's Acknowledgments! :) I'll add that info to the pub record. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 10:04, 22 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: :) They are a pretty well known pair (or at least they seem to illustrate for publishers I tend to like) so it caught my eye. I did some varianting so that the cover shows where it belongs. Now if I figure where I stashed my own copy of that book... :) Meanwhile we are all set with this record now I think. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:59, 22 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Tony Roberts art is in fact by Chris Foss ==<br />
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A good new year! I just have merged the cover art that was indexed as to be by Roberts with the existing one by Foss, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?40336 here]. I do wonder how that credit came into the db: it just reminds one of how important it is to source data within the notes. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:43, 1 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Spaceship vs Space Ship ==<br />
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Hi Markwood -<br />
Could I get you to double check title page of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?428513 this publication]? The cover scan and the Worldcat both have it as "Space Ship", whereas we list the title as "Spaceship". There's also a earlier printing with an active verifier of whom I'll be asking the same question. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:22, 9 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:Good catch, Ron. Yep, it's "Space Ship". Submitted edit. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 13:13, 9 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== A Plague of Demons & Other Stories / Keith Laumer ==<br />
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I see you've PV'd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?984] and would like it if you'd check the title page for the use of 'and', rather than '&' in the title. I'm PVing the pb version and it has the spelled out 'and'. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 00:36, 25 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:Good catch! It's "and". I've submitted edit. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 13:46, 26 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21847 Memoirs of a Space Traveler] ==<br />
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Hi, I imported the interior artworks to the publication verified by you. While doing this, a question (well, two) occurred to me: Is there really the full letter line A-E? The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?267 note] on the publisher would suggest that none is to be expected (and if so, we would have a likely doublette in the database, with date 0000-00-00). Second, the OCLC / WorldCat mentions a statement for "A Helen and Kurt Wolff book", which would be considered as a pub. series (as with mine pb copy). Can you have a look into the matter? Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:06, 2 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:Submitted edit. Thanks for catch! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 13:08, 2 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::Thank ''you'' for the look-up! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:10, 3 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== James Blish's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?9615 The Quincunx of Time] was identified as a novella ==<br />
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Hi, Mark! It happened [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#James_Blish.27s_The_Quincunx_of_Time_appears_to_be_a_novella here]. I'm going to change the pub.s and titles accordingly. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:03, 10 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Down Here in the Dream Quarter ==<br />
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Hi, I submitted an update of this record: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10760 which you PV'd. I don't have a copy of the book, but on the basis of the scanned cover, and the OCLC WorldCat record, classified it as part of the publication series "Doubleday Science Fiction." Can you verify that those words appear on the hardcover spine of your copy of the book? Doubleday did not put the series designation anywhere else in these books. You might want to look at the exchange I had w/ the moderator on this book at the end of my talk page: http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Hifrommike65 Thanks. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] 06:42, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:Yes, it has "Doubleday Science Fiction" on the spine. I spot checked a dozen or so books with "Doubleday Science Fiction" on the jacket spine, and only one did not also have "Science Fiction" on its spine: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?258494. But that book does have the 'rocket ship & book' logo on its spine, so it's clearly in the series. Looks like you've undertaken a massive project to add this to the all the books in this series. Let me know if any other way I can help. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:36, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks gentlemen! I will approve the update then. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:50, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Small Magic: Short Fiction, 1977-2020 ==<br />
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I assume that the comma in this title is from the title page (I can see it on the ebook now)? As the cover has a ":", add a note to the publication explaining the discrepancy (see how I did on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?819338 the ebook]). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:44, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:fixed. FWIW, I've not seen the ebook, but find it weird if it's got two colons in its title. If the first colon is being 'assumed', then I'd suggest assuming a comma as on the print title page. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 10:50, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: The first colon is the 'and here comes the subtitle' one. The second is indeed a comma on the ebook title page and I fixed that. The one with the two colons on the list is the audiobook - its title is based on the cover only (because audiobooks have no title pages) and it is an obvious colon there. Thus the variant. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:38, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== After: Nineteen Stories of Apocalypse and Dystopia ==<br />
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Fixed page count and added missing essay in your PVd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?396310 After: Nineteen Stories of Apocalypse and Dystopia].[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 12:50, 28 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 19:46, 28 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Dead Lines ==<br />
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I added language to the jacket design and illustration credit for {{p|62736|Dead Lines}} [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 16:16, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Martian Race ==<br />
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Just added a couple of pub notes to {{p|43915|The Martian Race}} [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 14:30, 17 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 09:24, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Cosm & Eater ==<br />
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Added pub notes and LCCN. Also merging the Afterword to {{p|8027|Cosm}}. Let me know if you disagree. John [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 12:55, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Same for {{p|11884|Eater}} [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 13:15, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Fugitive Telemetry ==<br />
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I converted {{P|828104|Fugitive Telemetry}} to a chapbook based on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4974221 this edit]. In doing so, I noticed you have primary verified the publication, but the pub notes still say "Data from Amazon.com as of 2021-03-15." When a book is primary verified, the data should be coming from the book. If there is data not in the book and comes from a secondary source instead, the pub notes should specify what data comes from the secondary source (ex "Publication date from Amazon.com as of 2021-03-15"). If you get a chance, can you please update the pub notes? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:01, 1 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Done. Thx. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:53, 1 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Hive ==<br />
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just added a couple ext ID's to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?712443 The Hive]. no changes [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:51, 7 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Gift of Fire / On the Head of a Pin -- Walter Mosley ==<br />
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I've changed the title to use a '/' rather than 'and' for your PV [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?380840]]. This seems to be best practice (I've checked Amazon look-inside to confirm the setup matches my pb copy). --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:40, 8 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Mailer's A Fire on the Moon ==<br />
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I was a little overzealous in approving an edit to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?308500 copy] of this book and I do apologize for that. I hadn't noticed your verification until I went to check about why the title record wasn't updated with the publication record. The original title of the publication record was "Of a Fire on the Moon". The URL that [[User:Username|Username]], [https://picclick.com/A-Fire-on-the-Moon-by-Norman-Mailer-183425761963.html], had in the moderator notes does show a scan of the title page with the shorter title. If the scan agrees with your copy, we still need to unmerge the title record and make the variant relationship. I can let you do this, or if you'd prefer, I'm happy to fix it myself. If it doesn't agree, then let me know that too and I can put the record back as it was. Sorry for the confusion and thanks for checking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:17, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Hi, Ron. Gotta apologize: I originally verified the UK version by mistake, then correctly verified the US version ... and got distracted and forgot to go back and un-verify the UK version. Just now rectified that. I CAN verify that the US version is "Of a Fire on the Moon" on its title page, if that helps. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:42, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== An Ancient Gulliver ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4982429 this submission]: Excerpts should be dated as of the date that excerpt appeared, not the date of the work from which it was taken. I restored the 1967 date. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:53, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:OK. Good to know. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:04, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Science Fiction Adventure(s) from Way Out ==<br />
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Hi<br />
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You're the only active verifier for ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29083 Science Fiction Adventure from Way Out]''. While searching for the Worldcat record I noticed that Worldcat and the other secondary sources (Reginald, Contento, Clute/Nicholls) all have the title as "Science Fiction Adventure'''s''' from Way Out". It appears that we had the title with the plural adventures at one point as the disambiguation on the introduction has it that way. I also notice that the cover has the singular adventure. Could you double check the title page and see if it is "Adventures" there? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:20, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:No "s", Ron, on title page, same as the cover: "Science Fiction Adventure [sic] from Way Out". [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 09:03, 14 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for checking. I'm going to put a note on the record about the incorrect title in the secondary sources. That should hopefully keep someone from asking you the same question in the future. Thanks again. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:36, 14 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Imperial Earth ==<br />
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Added a note and an ext ID to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?192257 Imperial Earth] [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:35, 16 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Sphere ==<br />
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Added a note and ect ID's to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?31675 Sphere] [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:18, 21 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== A Case of Need ==<br />
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Added pub notes and ext ID to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?298 A Case of Need] [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:42, 22 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Prey ==<br />
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Added notes and imported title to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?26612 Prey] [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:39, 22 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== State of Fear ==<br />
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Added pub notes and imported content and ext id's for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?300982 State of Fear][[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:07, 22 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Home: Habitat Range Niche Territory ==<br />
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Hello Mark, could you check whether the title of the short story in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?829116 this publication] is with, or without commas? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 13:40, 31 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:No commas. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 15:30, 31 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks Mark! Looks like I have a variant title then :) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:08, 1 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Galaxy's Edge, Issue 41 ==<br />
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Hello. I've accepted your submission, but reverted the page count back to 116, as the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages help says]: ''For magazines, the rule is to use the actual page count - including the cover.'', so always even number for magazine page no's. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:01, 15 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Good to know. Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:15, 15 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Solaris US publisher ==<br />
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You're one of the folks with a Solaris US publisher PV [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?316736]]. Could you weigh in at [[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#The_Dragon.27s_Nine_Sons_.2F_Solaris_US]]? Thanks. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:51, 16 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
:I checked 6 US edition books (3 paperback, 3 trade papers) published in 2007, 2008. 2009, 2016, 2017, and 2018. All published by Solaris, none by "Solaris US". [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 17:45, 18 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Lone Star Planet ==<br />
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I approved your submission of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?848702 Lone Star Planet] from Aegypan Press, but had to change the date to 0000-00-00. The publication date could not be the copyright date.[[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 15:01, 22 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
:It's print-on-demand. Should I use "0000-00-00" date for any future POD pubs I post? Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:43, 23 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: No. If a date can be derived from somewhere (the book itself (title page, a store, publisher and so on), we use that even if the books are POD (because we do not record different batches and printings on POD as with standard publishers so if Amazon has 2021-03-12 for example, even if the individual book is printed on 2021-04-05 and the publisher prints each book when ordered, we still use the date for the batch/availability)... But the copyright date usually has little to do with when the book is published - so it goes into the notes but we do not use it as a date. Hope this makes sense. PODs can be a pain. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:50, 23 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== His Master's Voice ==<br />
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Please see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5039365 this submission] that I'm holding. Please let me know if this is truly a database error and this should be accepted or if your pub does have the "A" and this should be rejected. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:11, 31 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
:My edit is accurate: copyright page has "First edition" and "B C D E", as was HBJ standard for a first printing from 1973 to 1983 per the publisher's page on ISFDB. Thanks for checking, though. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 10:47, 31 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Your publication notes had "A B C D E". Another editor, Zjanes, submitted the change (unless you are editing under two accounts). That is why I double checked. I have approved their edit. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:02, 31 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Wow. OK, THANKS for catching my error. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:16, 31 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== World's Spring ==<br />
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Added notes and publication series to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55387 this] --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:26, 5 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== jack payne artist ==<br />
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I split off this cover artist for pub you verified from the other John Payne, not artist and long dead. http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23499, if you have no objection. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] 14:08, 17 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Good catch. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:01, 17 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Freedom Beach ==<br />
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Hi Mark, Note to Moderators from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5069101 this submisison] says ''For what it's worth, the novel also includes a variation of the short "Faustfeathers" by Kessel. Perhaps that should be included as well.'' (no idea whether the editor refers to all editions, or a specific one). As you are an active primary verifier, could you have a look and add it if relevant? (I'll leave a note on Dirk's & Mhhutchins talk pages as well) Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:08, 1 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Yes, the 3rd chapter of "Freedom Beach" is titled "Faustfeathers" and it shares a substantial amount of text with the story by that title in "Meeting in Infinity" ... but IMHO it's not identical enough to say it's the same work, or even necessarily an earlier version of the same story. Istead, seems to me the later story is a "fix up" of the earlier chapter. I'd recommend against creating a new story record for the chapter and, instead, add a pub note to both books about this. I'll be glad to do that if you agree. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:49, 1 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Absolutely! Notes it is :) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 07:54, 2 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Edits submitted. Let me know if any need editing. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:49, 2 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Voices from the Sky: Previews of the Coming Space Age ==<br />
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Hello! Done your order.Regards Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 13:59, 2 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Stepford Wives ==<br />
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(Moving from the user page: This is regards of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?376649 this book].<br />
hi, my copy has all of the first edition points that you listed but my jacket price is $5.95. Can you please check your copy and/or let me know what you think.<br />
thanks, Ray [[User:Lem|Lem]] 10:28, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Hi, Lem. I just verified, added copyright page info, and formatted a pre-existing record which had the $4.95 price. My copy is price-clipped, so I left the $4.95 price. But I did add the statement about price "on jacket front flap" since my flap had been clipped. My recommendation: verify the record and change the price to match your verified copy. Glad you checked! Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:02, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Feghoot in Special Wonder ==<br />
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There is one of Grendel Briarton's Ferdinand Feghoot stories in ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2930509 Special Wonder]'' which you have verified. We had the story merged with the first story in the series (Many of the stories use the same title). However, Contento notes that the first appearance of the story in ''Special Wonder'' was in the June 1967 issue of ''The Baker Street Journal''. I've requested a pdf of the story from the Journal, but in case they can't provide it, I was wondering if you could let me know the opening line from the story in the anthology. That way I should be able to determine which of 100 Feghoots reprinted in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?37914 this] collection it is, and get it varianted to the correct title. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:07, 11 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Hi, Ron. I've submitted an edit to the story title record, adding to its notes the first couple of sentences. Let me know if I can do anything else to help. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:25, 11 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::That's perfect. I do have one other related to this title. A story with the same title appears on page 152 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?40971 this] anthology. In this case, Contento suggests that the story is original to the anthology. Again, if you could provide me with the opening line, I'll try to match it. I may not be able to as it may have been published after the Mirage collection. For now, I'll leave it merged with the May 1956 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?88888 story] from ''F&SF''. I've added the first line there, so if it matches, then we're good as is. For the first one I asked about, it's number 86 in the series and I'll update accordingly. Thanks again. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:50, 11 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::The Feghoot in 'Great Science Fiction Series' is new, per Bretnor's intro essay. I just submitted a couple of edits I think will clear this up ... but navigating all these Feghoot series, titles, and publications is confusing, so I'll re-check my edits after they're processed to see if they cleared it up. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 15:21, 12 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::Yes, it doesn't help that the are at least 122 stories with either identical or inconsistent names. That's why I've been adding the opening phrase to the records. I've got those for the first 100 stories to which I've been able to assign numbers. Unfortunately, the final [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?887828 collection] appears to be quite rare. I've found a few numbered reprints in other anthologies and will be adding them. I've approved your edits. Thanks again for your help.--Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:06, 12 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Year's Best Science Fiction & Fantasy: 2016 Edition ==<br />
<br />
Hi Markwood,<br />
<br />
Do you confirm the title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2038397 this essay], i.e. "2015" instead of "2016" ? Or is that a typo ? Thanks, [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 04:37, 14 October 2021 (EDT).<br />
:Yep, it's about 2015, when all the stories were published. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 10:01, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks ! I was just wondering, because the same title occurs in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1878751 2015 edition]… [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 11:06, 14 October 2021 (EDT).<br />
:::I just checked Horton's 'Best of 2015' and, yes, same title for his intro essay as in his 'Best of 2016'. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 15:11, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::Ah well… Thanks again for checking ! [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 15:31, 14 October 2021 (EDT).<br />
::::: Why would anything BE consistent in books from the same publisher? That will be boring... Someone better add notes to both essays explaining the situation. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:33, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Bible Stories for Adults ==<br />
<br />
Can you check something in your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?286887 verified]? Is the story on page 163 called "Bible Stories for Adults No. 46: The Soap Opera" or "Bible Stories for Adults, No. 46: The Soap Opera". It is the only one that does not have that comma and the comma is there in the ebooks (both the US and the UK one). So before I go and split the title, I want to make sure we do not have a missing comma in our DB. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:48, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Hi, Annie. You're right: it has the comma in that book. Let me know if you want me to edit the book record and/or the story title record. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:57, 25 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: I’ll fix it on the title level and leave a note for the PV for the other copy that has the story. Thanks for checking! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:21, 25 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Starry Rift ==<br />
<br />
I added the missing story (page 248-250) to the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?47864 The Starry Rift]. Hope you're ok with that. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:20, 28 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Good catch! Apologies for my missing it. Thanks, Willem. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:52, 28 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Hier, l'an 2000 ==<br />
<br />
I found the cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?263674 this publication], it's from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?62219 Wonder Stories, December 1933], there credited to Frank R. Paul. Added credit and notes. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:52, 10 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:THANKS! I knew it was Paul, of course, but had no idea how to find the original. Really appreciate you solving this mystery, Willem. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:26, 10 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Cryoburn notes changes ==<br />
<br />
CD-ROM info added to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?330962 Cryoburn] [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 13:20, 14 November 2021 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Mediation by Cadwell Turnbull ==<br />
<br />
Hi.<br />
<br />
I discovered that the short story "Mediation" by Cadwell Turnbull, from the "Entanglements..." anthology, was incorrectly named "Meditation" in the ISFDB entry for the story. I confirmed that "Mediation" is the correct title both on the Amazon Kindle preview and the paper copy. Here is the link to the submitted edit.<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5151829<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 19:37, 16 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:THANKS for catching this! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 08:42, 17 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Rat-Catcher's Yellows ==<br />
<br />
All previous versions of this story are called "Rat Catcher's Yellows". The one in your book is "Rat-Catcher's Yellows" (note the extra "-"). We date variants as per their first appearance under their own name. So [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2945474 Rat-Catcher's Yellows] remains with a date of "2021-11-16" and gets varianted to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1919657 Rat Catcher's Yellows ] which carries the 2015 date. <br />
<br />
PS: If we had had to merge (if the titles were truly the same), the re-dating would have been an unneeded step - the merge would have taken care of it. Let me know if you have any questions. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:24, 22 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Uh ... this is somewhat embarassing ... but there's no dash in the name in Anders' new collection. I didn't catch that difference in the pre-existing stub. Sorry about the extra work, Annie. I submitted a correction.[[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 08:31, 22 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Well, made you check it again - so we are all good :) For next time: Instead of an Edit, submit the merge directly. :) Using Advanced search, look for Titles where the title is "Rat Catcher's Yellows" or title is "Rat-Catcher's Yellows". That would put them in a position to be merged. Then just make sure that the parent is set to empty - and you are all set. I approved the edit and then did the merge. And yes - titles don't merge by magic so once created as separate titles, someone needs to submit a merge somewhere :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 08:36, 22 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Space Pioneers ==<br />
<br />
Added notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?47613 The Space Pioneers] [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:23, 23 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Robot Rocket ==<br />
<br />
Added notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?46312 The Robot Rocket] [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:40, 23 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Toward(s) the Beloved City ==<br />
<br />
[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?58171 This Philip José Farmer story] is in the database as "Toward the Beloved City", but it was also published as "Towards the Beloved City". I'm going to change the title in it's first appearance and in our verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6999 Chronicles of a Comer]. According to the PJF international bibliography it was also published as "Towards the Beloved City" in your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?53435 Visions of Tomorrow]. Can you check the title there? If so, I can change that one too (it's a two step edit, remove the wrong title and import the right one). Thanks for checking, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 17:25, 1 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:Yes, it should be "Towards ..." (with 's'). I've submitted the 2 edits. Thx for catching this! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 17:34, 1 December 2021 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for the quick response. Both edits approved. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 17:36, 1 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Dangerous Visions and New Worlds ==<br />
<br />
Hi Markwood -<br />
I've been adding the INTERIORART and COVERART records to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?857418 paperback edition] of ''Dangerous Visions and New Worlds''. The addition of the content is complete. I do intend to do another pass identifying which cover for all the uncredited items. Just letting you know in case you want to import them into your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?863618 hardcover edition]. I'll take care of importing them into the ebook. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:47, 4 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:HOLY SHIT, RON! That's an insane, and wonderful, amount of work. HUGE KUDOS, dude. I've imported all your hard work into the hardcover edition. Take off the rest of the day. You've earned it. ;) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 12:33, 4 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Space Art ==<br />
<br />
Hello, Markwood. If you could, would you add the illustrations in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?271678 this book?] Thank you.--[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 00:18, 8 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:Hi, Rosa. I'll work on this project as time allows, but it's a big request: almost 200 pages with probably > 1 artwork per page. Let me know if you've got any particular priorities for the project. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 10:27, 8 December 2021 (EST)<br />
::I'm interested in Chesley Bonestell's art, especially "Exploring Copernicus." Thanks!--[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 15:28, 8 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Special Wonder: The Anthony Boucher Memorial Anthology of Fantasy and Science Fiction ==<br />
<br />
On verifying [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?31569 this pub] I noticed two things. The "H. B. Fyfe" story on page 209 is credited as by "Horace B. Fyfe" and my copy has a page inserted between page 360 and 361, containing the last page of the Margaret St. Clair story that was "omitted by mistake". The printed story ends with "It was nearly five weeks before he was released.", the insert starts with "He wanted above all things to find Rhysha." Is yours the same, and can I correct the Fyfe story / add the insert to the notes? Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 11:06, 12 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:Yes to both. It's "Horace B. Fyfe" in my copy. I didn't notice that when I verified the stub. My copy doesn't have the last page of "Brightness Falls ...". You're lucky it's still in yours. Color me jealous. :) But I've got the complete story in other books, thank goodness. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:42, 12 December 2021 (EST)<br />
::Thanks and done. I uploaded and linked a (fuzzy) scan of the insert, and tried to e-mail you a printable version, but I can't mail you through ISFDB. If you want a copy, let me know. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 05:14, 13 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:::Appreciate the offer, Willem, but don't need a copy of the insert. That said, THANKS for posting a copy on ISFDB in case someone else needs it. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 09:49, 21 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Gapping ==<br />
<br />
https://web.archive.org/web/20020703121736/http://www.antipodean-sf.com:80/stories/story7.htm; You PV'd an edition of Memoryville Blues, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?436397. The Darren Speegle story seems to be a reprint from 2002 on Antipodean SF; is there any mention of that in your book, and also it's odd because it's the last story in the book and couldn't run more than a couple of pages yet there's nearly 30 pages after it judging by the page count; maybe he greatly expanded it from the original? --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:16, 14 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:Hello, "Username" (? :). Thanks for heads-up. I researched and submitted edit to the title record. The Antipodean publication is an early 'flash fiction' vignette of the story, using the same title. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 10:42, 21 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks; and yes, Username is my username. Eight letters, easy to remember. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:10, 21 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Memory Librarian: And Other Stories of Dirty Computer ==<br />
<br />
Future books are not eligible to be added until they are within 90 days of publication - and with the current state of publication, even that can get tricky sometimes so a closer date is better but it will be approved 90 days before it is due. Based on that I had to reject [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5170874 this one]. Feel free to resubmit (or to ping someone to unreject this one) in a month or so if the expected date is still the same. Thanks for the understanding. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:52, 22 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:OK, no prob. Thanks for info. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 14:59, 23 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Enchanted: A History of Fantasy Illustration ==<br />
<br />
Hi Markwood<br />
<br />
I've added the Worldcat number to Kowalski's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?789960 Enchanted: A History of Fantasy Illustration]''. I'd also like to add the interior art items. Please let me know if you have any obhections. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:01, 27 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:I appreciate that, Ron. Never a problem with another PV editing a listing I've PV'd. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:19, 27 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Damon Knight's Orbit 15 - Edward Wellen stories ==<br />
<br />
Hi,<br />
<br />
James Davis Nicoll has [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25109 reviewed an archive.org scan of this anthology], which he says lacks the 2 Edward Wellen stories in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25109 the pub you verified]. I wouldn't have followed up on this, except for the fact that the recorded page numbers seem a bit unlikely, unless these stories are *very* short indeed. That isn't outside the realms of possibility, looking at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?674481 a translated pub] that has these and 7 other stories apparently all sharing the same page (?!?).<br />
<br />
I did have a quick look at archive.org, and those Wellen stories aren't mentioned on the scanned contents page. (I haven't "borrowed" the book from them to verify beyond the small handful of pages they make available to anyone, as I don't agree with their cavalier approach to book copyright.) Both the pub here and the scan on archive.org are the first edition.<br />
<br />
I did notice in the edit history there's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?609689 an edit that only references these 2 stories], but that seems to be making a slight tweak to existing data, so I don't think it's relevant.<br />
<br />
Any chance you or the other PV can double-check your copies? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 11:21, 28 December 2021 (EST)<br />
<br />
:Yeah, I understand why those Wellen stories look improbable. But, yes, they are both on the same page. Here they are, in their entirety: "IF EVE HAD FAILED TO CONCEIVE / . / The End" and "WHY BOOTH DIDN'T KILL LINCOLN / [blank line] / The End". It stretches the definition to call these "stories". Maybe it'd be more appropriate to call them "poems", or maybe "Zen paradoxes"? Beats me ... but Damon Knight chose to include them in his anthology, so we should include them in ISFDB. I can't explain why the archive.org scan omitted page 41 ... unless maybe the harried scanning nerd said "WTF" and blew it off. :) Let me know if you'd like any edits to the pub record. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 12:02, 28 December 2021 (EST)<br />
<br />
:: Thanks - I see someone else has responded to him on Twitter with [https://twitter.com/KitCase3/status/1475869230390259716 a photo of the offending page]. I'll edit the pub note to state that those stories aren't listed on the contents page, and link to that photo for anyone still curious. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 14:04, 28 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: Approved, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 14:57, 28 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Old Die Rich and Other Science Fiction Stories ==<br />
<br />
Added note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44832 The Old Die Rich and Other Science Fiction Stories].[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 14:27, 2 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:Thanks. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 14:32, 2 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Partners in Wonder ==<br />
<br />
Added a note on the publication date to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25649 Partners in Wonder][[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 16:07, 2 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Remote Control ==<br />
<br />
Added Canadian price, the source for the exact publishing date and a note for the Jacket designer and the Editor in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?812724 our verified]. Let me know if you have any issues with either. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:01, 14 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Prentice Hall Anthology of Science Fiction and Fantasy ==<br />
<br />
Hi.<br />
<br />
I picked up a copy of this anthology, and I have some questions and probable edits. I posted that complete discussion over at MLB's User Talk Page, see http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:MLB#Prentice_Hall_Anthology_of_Science_Fiction_and_Fantasy_-_Questions_and_possible_edits<br />
<br />
As far as I can tell, the ISFDB TOC is identical for both versions, with probably the same issues.<br />
<br />
Thanks.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 00:33, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
==Galapagos==<br />
<br />
I am PVing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?706513 Galapagos] and will correct "... has been previously printed by The Franklin Library" to "... has been privately printed by The Franklin Library" [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 12:01, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:Will also add the cover art credit from the rear dustjacket flap. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 12:06, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 14:19, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Bangs & Whimpers ==<br />
<br />
Added a note to your PVd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?279807 Bangs & Whimpers].[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 14:51, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== HTML in titles ==<br />
<br />
Hello, <br />
<br />
We do not support HTML inside of the title of any stories, interior art and so on. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:TitleFields:Title the Fonts] section for details. So "The Leibnitz Mountains seen during an eclipse of the Sun by the Earth, from The Conquest of Space" needs to remain naked, it cannot be <nowiki>The Leibnitz Mountains seen during an eclipse of the Sun by the Earth, from <i>The Conquest of Space</i></nowiki>. I fixed it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2966821 here] and will fix it in a few more titles you added. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:18, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:OK, thanks. Good to know. :) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 14:17, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:: All fixed. And signing above because I apparently forgot to. Sorry :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:18, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Lafferty in "The New Mind" ==<br />
<br />
Can you check your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?14778 The New Mind] for me? According to my copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?51284 Through Elegant Eyes] the four Lafferty stories were under the collective title "Four Sides of Infinity". I would like to add that to the notes, and correct the 2nd paperback printing. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 03:54, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
:You are correct. I submitted an edit to the pub notes. Thanks for catching this omission. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 09:48, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks! Approved and copied to the other editions. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:12, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Burning Brightly anthology - contents and questions ==<br />
<br />
Hi, you have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?877062 the hc of this] PVed. I've just added the contents for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?894737 the ebook], based on the Amazon preview and the details on the NewCon Press site, but there are a few niggles that maybe you can help with?<br />
<br />
* There's no contents page (in the preview at least) and the order the stories are listed on the copyright page doesn't match the order listed on [http://www.newconpress.co.uk/info/book.asp?id=192 the NewCon site] - can you confirm the latter is correct?<br />
* The copyright page has an incorrect spelling of "Iain R. MacLeod", but his name is spelled correctly as "Ian" on the cover - do you know what appears on the actual story itself?<br />
* The Juliet E. McKenna story is listed as "Through the Veil" on the NewCon site and the copyright page, but [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/novacon SFE] says the chapbook was titled "Trace Elements", and on [https://www.julietemckenna.com/?page_id=19 the author's site], the chapbook is listed as "Through the Veil'''s'''/Trace Elements". I'll do some more digging around to see if that was 2 separate stories in one chapbook, or one story with 2 different titles, but if you can shed any light, that'd be much appreciated.<br />
<br />
Thanks! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 18:03, 16 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks for reminding me I'd not yet imported contents. Just now submitted that edit, and will add page numbers once imported. All contents match the ebook listing, including mis-spelled "Iain R. MacLeod" (and I'll add pub note about that. His name is spelled correctly on book jacket and story title page.) No "Trace Elements" on Contents page or story title page. Always appreciate reminders & fixes like these! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 10:13, 18 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Cheers. Adding these contents has been on my to-do list since I submitted the bog standard paperback edition last year, and I didn't have anything better to do on Saturday, although it turned out to be more of a hassle than I was expecting. (Most of the NovaCon booklets from the past 10 years aren't in the database, so it's a case of getting one item off my to-do list, but adding another 10 or so...)<br />
<br />
:: My understanding is that the title/author name on the story takes precedence over any sources, so if that does have "Ian" correctly spelled, then the "Iain" version is superfluous to requirements (although it probably needs a note somewhere). I'll fix that once you've got the page numbers in the hc. Thanks! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 17:18, 18 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks - I've updated the page numbers/ordering for the ebook to match, and also changed the author name back to "Ian R. MacLeod". Still yet to start on all the missing NovaCon booklets though :-( [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 11:54, 23 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
::::Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 12:44, 23 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== New Eves - A question about the "Winter's King" version ==<br />
<br />
Hi.<br />
<br />
I see that you are the primary verifier for "New Eves: Science Fiction About the Extraordinary Women of Today and Tomorrow" (Forrest J. Ackerman, Janrae Frank, Jean Marie Stine, Longmeadow Press, 1994) (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?192633).<br />
<br />
I have recently discovered that Ursula K. Le Guin had two different versions of her story "Winter's King". The original appeared in Orbit 5 in 1969; she put out a revised version in 1975 in "The Wind's Twelve Quarters". As has been pointed out by Rich Horton (https://www.blackgate.com/2022/01/16/winters-king-by-ursula-k-le-guin/), the 1976 version is different especially in the pronouns used for the King, and in some other related issues as well.<br />
<br />
Rich suspected that all subsequent versions published were the 1975 version. I have confirmed this for several published versions, such as "The Arbor House Treasury of Modern Science Fiction" and also in "Hainish Novels & Stories, Volume 1".<br />
<br />
I was not able to find a copy of "New Eves....". Assuming that you still have it, I would really appreciate it if you could check the version of "Winter's King". This might be obvious in the copyright although not necessarily and it should be obvious in the text.<br />
<br />
The 1975 version, which appears to be Le Guin's preferred version, referrs to the King as "her" and "she", not as "he" in the 1969 verion. In the 1975 version, the 2nd paragraph contains the text "...but when this picture was taken the young king had her back against a wall. She was filthy, she was trembling, and her face was blank and mad". In the original 1969 version, it is "he" and "his" throughout.<br />
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I would appreciate knowing which version is in "New Eves".<br />
<br />
Thanks your help, and let me know if you have any question.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 18:30, 7 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Hi, Dave. I have submitted edits for 'The Wind's Twelve Quarters' and 'New Eves' to address. You are correct that she modified the pronouns for 'Twelve Quarters', and that the revised version is published in 'New Eves'. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 16:37, 8 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::Thanks for the update and for taking care of that. After I see your updates, I'll check and see if I need to update any other records to cover this issue that I have been able to verify which version is in use..[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 23:53, 8 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Tales of Pirx the Pilot ==<br />
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Hello. I got myself a copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34347 this]. There is a note that says "First Edition". My coppy has the same letter line "B C D E" but there is no "First Edition" wording anywhere on the copyright page. Also my copy is priced at $8.95. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 11:49, 31 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Sorry, but that's GREAT NEWS: means mine is a 1st printing, not a 2nd as I'd assumed. I'll correct my PV'd listing. Hope you can post your copy so we've got it documented. THANKS! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 13:31, 31 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
::I did think that with a letter line beginning with B it couldn't be a first printing/edition. My copy has the same dustwrapper artwork so I cloned the record and retained the already associated cover art. See [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?901227 here] for my copy. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 07:16, 2 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Dark Ride: The Best Short Fiction of John Kessel ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5331319 this submission]: Another editor also submitted this. It is now in the database {{P|901127|here}}. As such, I had to reject yours as a duplicate. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:46, 5 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
:okey dokey. thx. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 15:31, 5 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Adventures in Tomorrow + Jack of Eagles==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1660; http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?229505; Pub. series (Corwin) added. --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:35, 7 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== R. A. Lafferty's From the Thunder Colt's Mouth ==<br />
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Hi, I've added a note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?68121 this title] - which appears in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18137 an anthology you PVed] - based on [https://www.facebook.com/groups/eastoflaughter/posts/5147522055300789/ a FB discussion] that says it later appeared (in modified form) as part of the novel [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?17001 Argo]. The latter doesn't have any PVs, so it seems unlikely that we can verify that claim, although 2 different people in that FB discussion corroborated the info, so it seems likely to be the case. Let me know if you have any objections to my edit. Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 12:34, 9 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
:No prob, of course. Hope someone can verify some day. Thanks for notice. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 17:59, 9 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Final Dream ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?39763; OL ID, OL cover and fixed title (&-and). --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:06, 11 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Isaac Asimov's Near Futures and Far ==<br />
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● I recently added the artist cover credit for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?267884 Isaac Asimov's Near Futures and Far]. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 04:47, 9 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Stories ==<br />
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Hi, I was comparing the English and the French edition of this title and noticed that according to [https://www.worldcat.org/title/stories/oclc/823751196 OCLC/WOrldcat] [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33340 this book] is part of the 'Soviet Literature for Young People' series (just as the French edition is part of 'Littérature soviétique pour la jeunesse'). BTW: G. Petrov also did the cover art.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 14:51, 11 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks, Dirk. I submitted a new pub note to reference the series. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 15:19, 11 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Science-Fiction Subtreasury ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?46572; 1 of the many editors who worked on the Bantam PB reprint wrote a note about copyright page saying this HC was published in September, so I've added that month to your PV. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:14, 12 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
:THANKS! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 13:19, 12 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Evolution of Science Fiction ==<br />
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Hi Markwood<br />
I added the catalog number from Reginald3 to your verified ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?12709 Evolution of Science Fiction]''. Reginald gives the author as "Theodore Engel" and I've also added a note as to the discrepancy. I'm curious however as to why Reginald has a different credit, especially since it appears to be correct in Reginald1. The description is "[New York: Hugo Gernsback?, 1952?], 12 p., paper, nonf." which seems to be the same book. Is there anything in the physical book that mentions Engel? No hurry on answering, I'm just trying to satisfy my curiosity. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:27, 18 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks, Ron, for this note. I just submitted edit to add Theodore Engel as co-author of the pamphlet, with pub note about his role. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 12:06, 19 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Asimov SF Anthology ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18600; I replaced unstable Amazon image with OL image, which also shows the spine. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:08, 21 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Baseball 3000 ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3630; I replaced cover with FantLab's and added OL ID. --[[User:Username|Username]] 23:04, 30 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== "Even Greater Mistakes", by Charlie Jane Anders ==<br />
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I added the primary artist for the cover based on the credit given on the back DJ flap. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 20:41, 1 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== R-A-M ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27228; I changed publisher to Hayden Book Company, as it appears on title page, and did the same for the other Hayden book on ISFDB, The Adventure Companion, which also has that publisher on title page, so both books will now be under the same publisher. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:10, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:OK. Thanks for heads-up. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 11:43, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Who Goes There? ==<br />
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Added a note and external ID to your PVd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?54584 Who Goes There?].[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 19:03, 27 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Poe Book ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?788691; Copy uploaded to Archive a few days ago, https://archive.org/details/poestalesofmyste0000poee_l4p2, which seems to be a later printing than your PV judging by the letters on the copyright page, in case you're interested in adding it; also, I think LCCN that are in a book but not on LOC website are only supposed to be in notes, not ID. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:30, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Robot Artists & Black Swans Introduction ==<br />
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In [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?820881 Robot Artists & Black Swans] I changed the second introduction "Storia, Futurita, Fantasia, Scienze, Torino by Bruno Argento" by Neal Stephenson to "Storia, Futurita, Fantasia, Scienze, Torino" by Bruno Argento (Bruce Sterling), as the copyright page seen in the Amazon Look Inside confirms--Neal Stephenson's byline for the first intro remaining unchanged. I imported it into your PVed paper edition entry from the corrected ebook entry. [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 19:36, 14 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Cordwainer Smith / The Best of Cordwainer Smith ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?185413 The Best of Cordwainer Smith] and will change the page number of the Timeline from [7] to [7]|0.5 so that it displays in the correct order in the Contents. I will also add this note:<br />
<br>In this publication, the two stories "The Crime and the Glory of Commander Suzdal" and "Golden the Ship Was—Oh! Oh! Oh!" are printed in transposed order compared with the early Ballantine pb printings<br />
<br>The Timeline in all these books lists "Suzdal" before "Golden". Both stories take place c13,000 A.D. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 10:56, 21 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Card's Elephants ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?700204; Pending edit by me fixing "other stories" to "Other Stories", noticed the title story isn't in the contents, it's on ISFDB, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?100322, but spelled "Poznan", so the audio book either has the wrong title or it's correct somewhere inside, in case you want to check and import the story, possibly as a variant title. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:58, 4 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Submitted edit to add the title story. It's on side 1 with the 'Introduction' essay. Thx for catching the omission. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 16:47, 13 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Black Leopard, Red Wolf ==<br />
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I couple of questions on {{P|698166|Black Leopard, Red Wolf}}:<br />
*The tp edition contains five maps; one for each section but the last. Are those not present in the hc?<br />
*In the tp edition, the Contents is a table of contents. We don't normally index ToC. Is there more to it in the hc?<br />
Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:16, 5 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Contents of my PV'd hardcover are identical to listed TP. Submitted edits to delete ToC and add maps. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 13:33, 6 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:43, 6 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Spectrum Harcourt Editions ==<br />
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Dude, you PV a bunch of Amis/Conquest Spectrum anthologies, American editions, but you entered the numbers instead of the Roman Numerals, for all volumes after II. Do all your PV have III, IV, and V? Because I changed them using 2 exact copies on Archive.org and 1 year-later reprint of the last volume. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:04, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:Hello, "Username". (Catchy handle. Witness protection program? ;) All the US "Spectrum" anthologies use Arabic, not Roman, numerals ... as shown in the cover pictures. If you changed them back to Roman numerals, the records would not accurately reflect the books as published. If you need a 3rd opinion, check with a moderator. Thx. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 10:03, 11 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::Username has 8 letters, like Markwood, which used to be the standard length for almost everything online, and it's easy to remember unlike people who enter obscure, complicated passwords and then forget them later when they need them. Also, the title on the title page is how titles are supposed to be entered on ISFDB; volumes 3-5 have numbers on the covers but numerals on their title pages. So if you can check the title pages and let me know; I already know the answer, based on the Archive copies, but mods demand PV corroborate before they'll accept my edits, even though in almost every case like this the PV does just that. I don't know how many other PV you've done, but if any of them also involved numbers/numerals you might want to take a look at those, too, because they'll also need fixing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:23, 11 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:::Edits submitted. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 12:43, 11 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::::Someone uploaded a (coverless) copy of the original Spectrum (Harcourt edition), which you also PV, last month just a week or so after my last entry here, so I've added a link today in a pending edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:27, 15 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Philip K. Dick / The Acts of Paul ==<br />
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You have PVd [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?588596 Gigantic Worlds] which contains [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2067767 Brief Synopsis for an Alternate World Novel: The Acts of Paul] by PKD. A couple of points: 1) I have a chapbook of this short story which is titled: "Brief Synopsis for Alternate World Novel: The Acts of Paul". There is no "an" before "Alternate". Can you please check whether the title in Gigantic Worlds does contain "an". 2) Do you have a source for the publication year of 1982? From what I can see, it was written in 1982 but first publication is in my 1987 chapbook. If so, the date should be 1987. Thanks. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 19:08, 17 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:Sorry, but I sold that book awhile ago. I just now switched my verification to 'transient'. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 12:48, 18 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::OK, thanks for letting me know. In that case I'll assume the title was correctly entered in Gigantic Worlds which means I shall 1) create the chapbook for "Brief Synopsis for Alternate World Novel: The Acts of Paul". 2) Variant the version of the title in Gigantic Worlds to the title in the chapbook. 3) Amend the date of the variant to 2015-09-00 as it needs to be the date of first publication of the variant. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:59, 18 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:::THANKS! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 12:40, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== F&SF 24 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35677; I've already changed the regular title to how it actually appears in the book and added an Archive.org link to your PV, so you'll need to check your copy and change "and" to "&" and add a colon after "fiction" in the title if your copy's the same. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:57, 22 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Biscuit & Milk ==<br />
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Regarding the note to moderator in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5495019 this submission]: It is not possible to add styling to titles. Adding the styling to the notes as you have done here is the only method. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:07, 26 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Santa Steps Out ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?193445; I added the FantLab ID and saw there was interior art which is credited to Alan M. Clark on the copyright page, so I added that, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:51, 26 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== F&SF 23, 22==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35676; Shouldn't there be a colon after Fiction in the title, cover art, and introduction? EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35675; Also for this one; the PB doesn't have a colon, either, but you didn't PV that. I also added Archive.org link to this edition and added month to regular title and introduction but the essay I didn't because I don't know whether that's a reprint even though it has a 1977 date; you'll know, I'm sure, and can fix it if needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:36, 15 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:There's no colon in either anthology's title on their title page, copyright page, half-title page, jacket front, jacket back, or jacket front flap. Let me know if there's a reason to add a colon where none currently exists. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 17:23, 16 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?913019 The History of Science Fiction] ==<br />
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Hi! I have found an entry with OCLC (1236259750) that lists an ISBN (9781643379142). Maybe that number is somewhere hiddenly listed within your PVed pub.? Also, I'd like to think it seems somewhat reasonable to list the artist as co-author, with this being a graphic format title. What do you think? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:09, 20 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:Howdy! Yes indeed, thanks to your suggestion I looked further and found it in the barcode on back cover. Submitted edit with that addition. Regarding how to list artists of graphic format publications ... I don't know the ISFDB standard. I've been listing using the 'artist' field, only. Is there an alternate listing protocol for graphic format pubs? [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 10:23, 21 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: I'd say it is more often found that both (author & artist) are credited, like in a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?18279 comic entry], but both ways of indexing are to be found in the database. Just looking at this work leads me to think that text & art are inseparable entwined ... Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:41, 21 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Spectrum V ==<br />
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I updated the title of {{P|921982|Spectrum V}} from 5 to V based on the pub notes since we enter pub titles per their tittle page. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:20, 28 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Spaceman of Bohemia ==<br />
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You might want to check your copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?603503 Spaceman of Bohemia]. Although the cover design is credited to Allison Warner the artwork itself is credited to Dorling Kindersly.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 19:27, 1 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Good catch. Thanks. Submitted edit to add her. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 10:33, 2 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Forrest J. Ackerman credits ==<br />
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When you have a moment, could you please check how your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=author_canonical&O_1=exact&TERM_1=Forrest+J.+Ackerman&C=AND&USE_2=pub_verifier&O_2=exact&TERM_2=Markwood&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication verified Forest J Ackerman] pubs credit Ackerman? The other day a user pointed out that most of Ackerman's books/stories use {{A|Forrest J Ackerman}} as opposed to {{A|Forrest J. Ackerman}}, but only 30-ish of our pubs credit him that way. TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:38, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:No period after "J" on all title pages. "Gosh Wow" has a period after "J" in the copyright, the rest don't. I'll submit edits for all to remove the period, as shown on the title pages. Whoever caught this ... thanks! It's a good catch. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 18:44, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks for checking! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:51, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Year's Best Science Fiction & Fantasy, 2012 Edition ==<br />
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I have submitted substantial changes to the publication record of this title. Since you PV'd it, I wanted you to know. You can view the submission here: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5545171 I forgot to mention my reason for altering the page count. The last page, "About the Editor," is numbered in the table of contents. Any concerns, let me know. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 09:59, 17 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Thank you for the follow-up edit I submitted for this title. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 19:20, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Octavia E. Butler / Wild Seed ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?198157 Wild Seed] and will add Pub Series and a Pub Note with source of Month. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:18, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Octavia E. Butler / Parable of the Talents ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25597 Parable of the Talents] and will add a pub note about the different ISBN stated in barcode box. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:13, 25 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Octavia E. Butler / Fledgling ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?72706 Fledgling] and will correct the page count to 317 and add pub notes. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:15, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Digital Domains ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?303312; I fixed title ("and Fantasy" on title page, seen on OL). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:03, 4 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Life Beyond Us ==<br />
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While approving your edit adding the contents to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?933143 Life Beyond Us] I noticed quite a few case errors. Please follow our standards for English titles.<br />
The ISFDB case regularization rules are as follows:<br />
<ul><li>the first word is capitalized.<br />
<li>all later words are capitalized except for "a", "an", "and", "at", "by", "for", "from", "in", "of", "on", "or", "the", "to", and "with".<br />
<li>hyphenated words have the first letter after the hyphen capitalized. </ul><br />
Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:57, 6 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Robot Artists... ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?820881; Artist is Coulthart, not Coulthard. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:12, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Boucher - "S-F Books - 1960" or "S-F Books: 1960"? ==<br />
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Could you check your copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34940 The 6th Annual of the Year's Best S-F] to see exactly how Boucher's essay is titled - I suspect it might be "S-F Books: 1960". If it is, and it's ok with you, I'll make the change. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:14, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Hi, Kev. Good catch! Yes, it's a colon, not a dash. Thanks for making the edit to ISFDB. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 12:18, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for that, and you're welcome. I'll get on it and it will show up in your changed PV alerts. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:42, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Re image links ==<br />
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HI! After you upload the image [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:CTSCRDLXBZ1976.jpg], click on the body of the image which should take you to this[https://isfdb.org/wiki/images/7/7f/CTSCRDLXBZ1976.jpg]. Use this image link. Hope this helps.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 22:05, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Title type for Biographies (The Year's Best Science Fiction & Fantasy 2012) ==<br />
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Hi, you're one of 2 active PV's for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1421198 Rich Horton's 2012 Best SF&F]. I'm 99.9999% certain that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1480310 Biographies] should be an ESSAY rather than SHORTFICTION, but I thought best just to sanity check before changing a pub that others have verified. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 09:53, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:Good catch. Thanks! Fixed. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 13:53, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== A Scanner Darkly graphic novel ==<br />
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A few questions for you.<br />
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You're the PV for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?81676 this trade paperback] (with only Dick as the author), and you have a submission on hold for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5550059 the hardcover] (with both Dick and Linklater as the authors). You have both with the same ISBN. Is this correct? In general, especially from established publishers, the same ISBN isn't used for two different formats (TP and HC). The rules of ISBN usage specifically state that different formats should have different ISBNs. <br />
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Do these contain the full text of the novel, or are they adaptations that use the images in place of some of the descriptive text? If they do not contain the full text of the novel, the graphic novels should not be varianted to the novel. Since the cover of the graphic novel states "Based on the novel by Philip K. Dick", it leads me to believe this is an adaptation, not the full novel.<br />
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Regarding the titles, there's no need to include the disambiguator "(Graphic Novel)" following the title since the original novel and the graphic novel have different authors (the novel is only by Dick, and the graphic novel is by both Dick and Linklater). <br />
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Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:07, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Ping, since you've replied to other things since I posted this. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:43, 27 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I've gone ahead and rejected this since you haven't addressed any of the concerns raised above. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:52, 11 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Clock That Went Backward ==<br />
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Concerning 1881 short story "The Clock That Went Backward" by Edward Page Mitchell:<br />
We have ten remaining publications as {{t|93690|The Clock That Went Backwards}} (with final 's'), which has been the parent title until yesterday. Eight are primary verified including five of your verified anthologies. I hope you will check them: BACKWARD or BACKWARDS?<br />
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(The new story title notes are already out of date. I will update probably next fortnight.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:53, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:I've sold 3 of those 5 anthologies. Of the 2 I can still verify, it's "Backwards" (with an S) in "Time Travellers", and "Backward" (no S) in "Isaac Asimov Presents the Best Science Fiction of the 19th Century". Sorry I couldn't help with the other three. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 15:27, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks. Our ten publications include multiple eds./printings of both those two.<br />
:: Probably we should have a way to revise a Primary verification (no change in its date) from Permanent to Transient, for such as your anthologies sold; and to note that a publication record was primary verified (by unnamed at stated past date), for former participants who prefer to delete their record. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 18:46, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::: I'd recommend an enhancement to permit multiple Primary verifiers. As older folk drop out, younger folk take over. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 18:53, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Isaac Asimov Presents [19c SF] ==<br />
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You remain PVerifier of the anthology ''Isaac Asimov Presents'' in its 1st ed., 1981 Beaufort Books P{{p|18600}}. Viewing the 1st UK ed., 1983 Gollancz P{{p|227789}} at Archive.org via Open Library OL21540435M, I see that it contains The Sandman "(translated from the German by J.T. Bealby)". So I have replaced the identified translation, at page 13 in our contents list, for both the 1981 and 1983 eds.<br />
<br>(I haven't yet revised our record of the 1991 edition, nor contacted its PVerifier. --for later.)<br />
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To be continued after a break, hours or overnight. Don't pack up the book. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 13:33, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Acknowledged. Let me know what I can do to help. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 13:41, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Spaceships & Spells ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?31504; I added OL ID long ago and today came across this book randomly again and was going to add the Archive.org link (which is one of those OL-only links with no preview) but noticed the title is wrong on ISFDB; it's "& Spells", not "and Spells", on cover and title page, so that should be fixed, plus if LCCN, 87-175, is on your copy's copyright page that ID should be entered, too. I also think the month, 11, should be added where needed in the contents, cover art, etc. The OL copy has the $12.95 price but has those brown edges on the covers which, I think, means library binding, but I'm no expert on that so maybe it is the regular edition. If you'd like to add a link it's here: https://openlibrary.org/works/OL97364W/Spaceships_spells. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:13, 24 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Thx. Changed title to "&", added LCCN. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 11:21, 26 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Markwood, I moved your response from my user page to here where it should be. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:47, 26 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ray Bradbury's The Martian Chronicles: The Authorized Adaptation ==<br />
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How much of the text is Bradbury's and how much is it adapted/changed? The only way for this to be eligible is if we deem it a Bradbury book and thus over the threshold. And adaptation don't cut it usually unless they are essentially the actual text or big extracts of it. Thus the question. And that's why noone had touched the submission in so long. :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:30, 29 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I've compared the first story word-for-word with "The Martian Chronicles", and every word is verbatim Bradbury's. However, it is abridged from the original prose version. I then spot-checked every other story, and confirmed it's all abridged, word-for-word Bradbury. The 'Introduction' is a new essay by Bradbury about the genesis of 'The Martian Chronicles'. IMO this book is definitely 'above the line'. If accepted, as I assume it will be, I'll add contents. (And, FWIW, this book was published in 2011 -- the year before Bradbury's death -- and the copy I bought from Vagabond Books in Pasadena CA is autographed -- in a very shaky hand, but recognizably -- by Ray Bradbury, so he inarguably acknowledged it as his work.) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 13:25, 29 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Some authors would sign any paper. I have no issues with it being authorized - but as graphic novels and comics are specifically excluded, we tread lightly (had it been text only, I'd have approved with no questions) :) Abridged is acceptable, rewritten is not for above threshold IMO- that was what I was making sure. Approved. :)<br />
:: A second thing: these (graphic adaption) thingies should not be there if they are not printed in the book - they really belong into the notes for each title. If you rather have them stay (we do add (abridged) occasionally but that is usually printed somewhere in there), I won't push on it but the way I see the rules, they should not be there if not in the book. Also - is the adapter/abridger mentioned anywhere around the title page? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:41, 29 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Well, I respect the rules of ISFDB, and strive to adhere to them strictly. I'm just a user, not a moderator. AFAIK, we don't yet have rules for this type of publication, so, yeah, I just made up the "(graphic adaption)" thingy and have been expecting this moderator discussion. Tell me what to do and I'll do it. Leave it up to me and I'll leave it as is. Your call. I am the moderators' humble servant. :) FWIW, if I was a moderator, I'd advocate to embrace the category of "graphic adaptions of previously published genre prose works" and formalize rules for their entries. I understand the concern about a "slippery slope" wrt comics, but I think the ISFDB users and editors are far too knowledgeable and competent to create or slide helplessly down such a slope. THANK YOU for your work, and the work of the other editors! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 14:52, 29 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: You do not need to be a moderator for that - go to R&S and post a proposal. Then post it again in a few months when it fizzles :) . Slow and steady and patiently - that's how you change the rules. Moderators are just users with a few more tools and responsibilities - the word of a moderator weights as much as the word of any other user on policy discussions (or anywhere else really). A lot of the moderators had been here a long time so usually have the backstory of some things and have the whole set of rules under consideration (well, supposedly, we are human after all) and part of the job is to ensure the rules are applied consistently but other from that? Not much difference between the user who just joined and made their first edit and the moderator handling their submission. <br />
:::: Let me sleep on the naming. My first reaction is to clean them up. But let me work through that in my mind for a bit. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:05, 29 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::: Please include these in your considerations: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?22809. Good night, sweet dreams :) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 16:24, 29 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::: It is 1:30 PM around here :) So sleep is... far far far away :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:30, 29 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== J. Saxton Story ==<br />
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"Heads Africa Tails America" has a comma after Africa in Josephine Saxton's collection Travails of Jane Saint, which I just added a link to, so if you can check your copy of Orbit 9 where it first appeared and add the comma if it's there or verify it's not so the 2 titles can be variants. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:14, 22 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No comma, neither on Contents page nor on the story's title page. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 09:46, 24 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Eternal Lovecraft ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5645538; Made some additions/fixes, also did a follow-up edit where I imported and added page number 411 to "Entropy" by Keith Allen Daniels which is on the last page but not mentioned in the contents. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:08, 25 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Marvel Blade Runner ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5677691; Last page is an ad with no page number so I think count should be 159, not 160; also, 02839 ID is on the covers so it should be added to catalog ID. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:43, 29 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Edits submitted. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 11:49, 29 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks. I was shocked when I saw this copy so I figured I'd better add a link quickly before someone at Marvel sees it and has it taken down. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:44, 29 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Trouble with Lichen ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?273693; I have a pending edit adding Oct. '60 3rd impression which says 1st impression was Sept. '60; also, page count is 190 (there's no number on last page). In case you want to add month/fix count, assuming your PV copy is a 1st. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:26, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks! Submitted edit. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 10:17, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Derleth & ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5606597; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5606943; I assume these are being held because of title changes. Do changes agree with your copies? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:34, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I'm OK with these edits. Thx for checking. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 09:41, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zebrowski - Tomorrow Today ==<br />
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Hello, I'm adding Reginald3 ID# to your {{P|364024|PV here}}. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:01, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Vonnegut - Dead-Eye Dick ==<br />
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Hello again, I'm also adding Reginald3 ID# to your 1st printing {{P|9394|here}}. I notice Reginald has pages as "xiii+240" - is that mistaken?<br />
:I sold my copy, so can't re-check. I'll change my verification to transient. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 11:33, 4 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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As I'm adding a lot of Reg3 #s, could you let me know if you still want to be notified every time I do those simple edits? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 03:29, 4 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks for asking ... and, no, you don't need to bother with notifying me about these particular edits. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 11:28, 4 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for your helpful response. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 14:20, 4 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== JAWS ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5697004; I added ID and a little note. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 01:44, 20 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Master of the Moon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?319624; SFE says Bob Clothier did the cover and his signature can be seen on the bottom of their cover image. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:17, 27 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Hidden Turnings ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17010; Archive.org copy goes from 179 to 182, colored page and then 182, colored page again. Is that so in your PV copy? If so, it should be noted. I've fixed UK HC and 1993 PB counts, adding Roman numerals to them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:08, 29 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:What you describe at Archive.org does not match my PV copy, which has consecutive page numbers 179, 180, 181, and 182 followed by a green endpaper which matches the green pastedowns inside the covers. Can't explain why Archive.org shuffles the pages. I don't see a reason to note the actual, normal page numbering in ISFDB listing. If you believe the ISFDB listing should note the error in Archive.org, then I'd ask that you submit that edit. Thanks for checking, and let me know if any other questions about my PV copy. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 17:44, 29 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I was hoping yours would be the same. As it stands now, there's no way to tell if the Archive.org copy was messed up, although that doesn't make much sense because if it was an old ragged copy I could see some pages missing, not unusual in ex-library copies, but having the same "authors" page and facing blank green page being in there twice leads me to believe that some copies of this were printed in error. But, of course, unless everyone that owns a copy replied here and verified that some of them own the defective edition, which isn't going to happen, there's no way to tell. Oh well. I assume the other PV will say the same as you, if and when they get back to answering questions on a regular basis. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:33, 29 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Tales from IASFM ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?330546; I just added an Archive.org link in a PENDING edit to this book and noticed that the last numbered page is 298, not 299, and you actually wrote in your note that some other source says it's 298, so if yours ends on 298, too, you may want to fix the page count. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:22, 30 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Memoryville Blues ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?436397; Full cover on FantLab, https://fantlab.ru/edition124634, which shows price on back as 59.99, not 60.00. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:46, 4 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Whoops. Good catch. Thanks! Submitted edit. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 10:22, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Scarborough Fair ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?343718; I have a PENDING edit with Archive.org link, noticed title page says "&" Other Stories, not "and", if yours does it needs changing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:31, 8 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Visitations ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?275642; PENDING edit with Archive.org link, last page is 277, not 276. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:35, 8 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:submitted fix [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 18:04, 8 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Trillion Year Spree ==<br />
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My trade paperback copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?174151 this] has the text "Jacket design by Don Macpherson (over) Jacket photograph by Peter Letts" on rear cover. If yours is the same then cover artist credit should be changed to Peter Letts. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 14:55, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:So, you're saying the jacket front is a photograph, and not a graphic design? Doesn't appear that way to me, but maybe I'm misunderstanding your suggestion. Can you clarify? [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 09:20, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I'm quoting what's printed on the book itself. Credit for the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?174161 trade paperback] edition is Peter Letts which opens the can of worms as to whether cover designers should be credited, It was really to check if your hardback copy has the same (or different) text to that which I quoted. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 00:16, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I was responding to your initial statement: "cover artist credit should be changed to Peter Letts". My interpretation of "cover artist" means "front cover". Thought that was ISFDB standard. If you're working on resolving ambiguity of "cover artist" vs "cover designer" ... good luck. :) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 10:36, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: "Macpherson does not get a credit under any circumstances - designers never do" (quoting Annie, a mod). Changed credit to Peter Letts. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 00:45, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Andromeda ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2656; Copy on Archive.org since 2011, https://archive.org/search?query=0312036493&sort=-addeddate, it says Andromeda I on title page and Andromeda One Introduction, so I don't think either of those should be a variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 02:26, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Memoirs of An Invisible Man ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/memoirsofinvisib0000sain/page/n9/mode/2up?view=theater; April 1987 is the third printing according to the copyright page, first was February. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:51, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:THANKS. Submitted edit. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 10:01, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Joe Haldeman / Camouflage - Cover Image ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?63142 Camouflage]. The Amazon image on this pub record is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?351561 Artwork A] whereas my copy has [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1866095 Artwork B]. Can you please check your copy. If you agree, I will scan my cover, upload it and also correct the coverart record. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:54, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Mine had Artwork A. I no longer have the book, so switched my verification to 'transient'. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 09:39, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Herbert - Dune ==<br />
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Hello, with regard to {{P|87955|this pub}}, can you confirm whether or not Dorothy deFontaine's interior art {{T|582897|map title}} is present. If it is, and you add it, her title record also needs to be changed 1965-00-00 to 1965-12-01. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:19, 26 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I recently sold that book, so changed my verification to transient. Given that, I can't verify this art credit. Sorry. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 09:25, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Brian W. Aldiss / Hothouse ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17379 Hothouse]. I propose to update the date from 1962-00-00 to 1962-05-00 and state the source: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360567 Galactic Central Bibliography]. Will also add general pub notes; in particular a note about the chapter mis-numbering: 1-18, 20-27. Will also make corresponding change to Coverart record. Is this all ok with you? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:41, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Great edits. Yes, thanks, these are all fine with me. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 17:14, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for your quick reply. Submission is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5726152 here] [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:08, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== New Voices in Chinese Science Fiction - about to make edits to your PV ==<br />
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Hi, you've got [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?922724 this PVed]. One of the editors of CSFDB mentioned that one of the authors featured in this anthology currently has 2 unconnected entries in our database for their Chinese and romanized names, so I just went to correct that. However, I see that most of the stories don't have entries for their original Chinese versions, so I'm going to go through and add/correct those as appropriate; basically just copypasting the info in CSFDB.<br />
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I'm not sure if that sort of varianting edit will cause you do receive notifications about changed PV, but just giving you a head's up. Hopefully this should be uncontroversial. Cheers [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 12:58, 29 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
: All done (I hope). I added translator templates to the stories, which may or may not have triggered notifications?<br />
: There are a couple of weirdnesses regarding the original publication date/venue of some of the stories, which I couldn't match up with the info I could access. Maybe it's covered in the copyright section in the book, but that's nothing I'm going to worry about any more. Cheers [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:50, 29 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Isaac Asimov's Masters of Science Fiction ==<br />
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Hi Markwood -<br />
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While adding some external IDs to your verified copy of {{P|267880|Isaac Asimov's Masters of Science Fiction}}, I noticed that {{Reginald3}} describes it as edited by Scithers "as Anonymous Editor". Could you check the title page and see if Scithers is actually credited? If not, we should probably change the credit in our records to "uncredited". It's already a variant title to Scithers' canonical name, so it will show in his bibliography. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:34, 30 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Yes, Scithers is actually credited. Submitted edit to add that. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 09:00, 31 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Charlatan ==<br />
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In your verified {{P|277187|Beyond the Gaslight}}, "The Charlatan" is shown without a page number. There is also an "A Charlatan" on page 90 by the same author. Was "The Charlatan" supposed to have been removed? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:42, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Good catch. Thanks! Submitted edit to delete "A Charlatan", which is simply a misprint in the chapter header on page 92. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 15:15, 18 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Shepard - Barnacle Bill the Spacer and Other Stories ==<br />
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Hi, re your {{P|3618|PV here}}, as Orion issued tp and pb printings subsequently under the Millennium imprint (and with the same cover art), could you tell me if Millennium is mentioned at all as imprint in your copy. Also, PV1 SVd this hc for Locus1 which is incorrect - Locus1 lists the tp and the pb but not this hc. If Millennium is the imprint and you agree about the SV, I'll get them sorted. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:25, 14 August 2023 (EDT)--[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:25, 14 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:On its title page is image of an ant over "MILLENIUM" over "An Orion Book". On its copyright page is "First published in Great Britain in 1997 by Orion Books Ltd", with no mention of "Millenium". Thanks for making any necessary edits. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 15:26, 18 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for your reply, I've submitted Millennium as the imprint. Another reading of the Locus1 reference shows that PV1 was right - the hc is mentioned in the tp entry - I missed it first time around. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:38, 18 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Weir - Project Hail Mary ==<br />
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Hello, you are PV for these two pubs {{P|837943|837943}} and {{P|829782|829782}}. I've posted a proposal on the [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Weir_-_Project_Hail_Mary Community board] and I'm asking for your comment there. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 04:29, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Swift Thoughts ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34000; I have a PENDING edit adding Archive.org link and changing cover art's month from 02 to 04. Not sure who entered that wrong but I thought you should know. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:44, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No prob, of course. Thanks for notice. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 12:48, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Starman's Quest ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?265208; I have a PENDING edit adding Archive.org link and LCCN. Your note in quotes doesn't appear on copyright page, date is only 1969 and second edition appears further down the page, so you may want to expand it to say exactly where that info came from. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:11, 4 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Hi. I no longer have that book, and have changed my verification to 'transient'. Feel to make any changes you can verify, or add a variant edition matching your book. FWIW, I'm generally very careful about my ISFDB edits, but I acknowledge that listing in its current form is insufficient, so my preference is that you edit it as needed to match your copy. Sorry I couldn't help more. And THANKS for checking with me. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 09:13, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I don't have a copy, it's on Archive.org as I wrote above. I'm taking a break from editing from Labor Day until October 1 after doing edits nearly every day for more than two-and-a-half years, going to try to do as many horror-related edits from the 1st until October 31 (Halloween) which is my favorite time of the year but after that I think I'm done here. Hardly anyone cares about these print books anymore; I'm one of the few still working on them regularly with most others just doing e-books and other stuff I don't care about so this is all just a waste of time with most of my 60,000 edits never being followed up by anyone and most of my questions or comments on the message boards being ignored. So if you ever find your copy again you can add something if you feel like it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:36, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::No irony intended, but "thank you for your service", and enjoy your retirement from editing. Just FYI, I'm selling my (mostly SF) library on ABEBOOKS, and can vouch that there's still interest in vintage physical books in desirable editions and conditions. Sales aren't "brisk" -- I average a book per day -- but they are steady, and I've already sold ~2,000 books over past few years. And consider that your edits will live as long as the Internet Wayback Machine exists, so it's not much of an exaggeration to suggest your efforts might "echo in eternity". :) Cheers, "Username"! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 10:31, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Nicola Griffith's "Spear" ==<br />
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I added an interior art record to your verified "Spear" publication.<br />
[[User:Chavey|Chavey]] ([[User talk:Chavey|talk]]) 08:44, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zebrowski - Nebula Awards 21 ==<br />
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Hi, letting you know I'm removing the spaces from {{P|364059|this pub}}; xiii + 333 -> xiii+333. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 00:09, 22 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Man In His Time ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?173961; Foreword runs to p. xii but 1st story is on p. 9. Do you think Roman numerals should be added to page count with a note about the faulty numbering? I have pending edits adding Archive.org link, LCCN, and month to cover art/foreword dates. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:06, 26 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Yeah, the page numbering is pretty F-ed up. :) I didn't try to fix it when verifying the listing. Do you want to edit the listing, or prefer that I do it? Either way's fine with me. Thx. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 14:45, 27 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I think you as PV would be better. One other PV is long gone and another, Artisan, hasn't left a message in nearly 5 years so they're probably gone, too, and should have one of those "no longer" messages at the top of their page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:59, 27 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== WE?T ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?317830; Trade edition and Eos edition, which I added archived links to in PENDING edits, say "& Time" in title. Does yours? If so, it needs fixing. The subtitle is also in the trade edition so the Eos isn't really a variant title. I don't know who would be in charge of fixing/merging that issue because there are lots of PV. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:35, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Good catch. Yes, should be "&". Submitted edit. Thx! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 09:17, 3 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Kij Johnson / At the Mouth of the River of Bees ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?387755 At the Mouth of the River of Bees] and would like to make the following changes:<br />
<br>1) upload cover scan from my copy. The existing Amazon image is not quite correct; it has a one line Awards blurb at the top whereas the actual book has a two line quote from Lev Grossman<br />
<br>2) change pub date to 2012-09-00. No source is stated in the pub record for 2012-08-14. I have looked up four independent sources and they all give the month as September.<br />
<br>3) start page of "Names for Water" is 35, not 36<br />
<br>4) the story on page 82 has the phrase "Wife's Character" in the title, not "Spouse's Character"<br />
<br>Is all this ok with you? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:41, 12 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No objections. That August pub date was in the stub I edited, so probably was the publisher's targeted pub date. Thanks for the notes on your edits! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 12:40, 13 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Expert Dreamers ==<br />
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You are a PV for this book: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?39355 I just submitted this edit to moderators: Submitting pub series (Doubleday Science Fiction), an addition to the pub note (theme of anthology), & two web page reviews (on Word Press, & Kirkus Reviews). Cheers. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 13:33, 13 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 14:45, 13 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Voice That Murmurs in the Darkness ==<br />
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I'm holding a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5787387 submission] that would add two stories to {{P|937215|The Voice That Murmurs in the Darkness}}:<br />
* page 73, The Psychologist Who Wouldn't Do Awful Things to Rats<br />
* page 59, The Snows Are Melted, the Snows Are Gone<br />
Can you please check if these should be present? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:31, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?530537; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3162215; Variant or merge? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:58, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::YES, those 2 stories are on those 2 pages (PV) [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 13:24, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Thanks. I accepted the edit adding the stories. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:28, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Seppings Wright ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=sepping&type=Name; The 2nd name is from a book you PV; should it be the same as the 1st name? If not, it should be a variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:47, 19 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:edit submitted. good catch! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 14:09, 19 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Dragons of Springplace ==<br />
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You are a PV of this title: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38812 I just submitted this edit to ISFDB moderators: Submitting an external ID (Goodreads) & four online reviews (web page 2, 3, 4 & 5) from Kirkus Reviews (which gives the specific day of publication, added to date), Publishers Weekly, Infinity Plus, & Sfsite). I also removed Locus source of date from pub note, since Kirkus is more accurate. Cheers. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 17:07, 21 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Great edits! Thanks for heads-up. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 17:27, 21 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Final Dream ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?39763; After adding archived link in a PENDING edit I added month where needed and noticed "A Mobius Trip" wasn't original, it's from 1991 says copyright page, so I changed that date. EDIT: The issue where Pearlman's story appeared is mentioned on this page, https://littlemagint.library.wisc.edu/catalog.html?page=311, and also has a 1991 date so Locus saying 1995, https://www.locusmag.com/index/t643.htm#A32594, seems to just be a mistake. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:41, 24 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Eshbach's Of Worlds Beyond ==<br />
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Hi Markwood -<br />
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It's been brought to my attention that the subtitle of the Dobson edition of Eshbach's ''Of Worlds Beyond'' does not include a hyphen between the words "Science" and "Fiction" in the subtitle. I've checked our {{P|273891|mutually verified copy}} of the Fantasy Press edition as well as the 1979 Advent printing, and neither have the hyphen. You've also verified the {{P|686539|1974 Advent printing}} and suspect none of the Advent printings have a hyphen and I've removed it from the unverified 1964 paper edition. I'm happy to update the Fantasy Press edition. As the sole verifier, I'll leave the 1974 Advent printing to you. However, the COVERART for all the Advent printings needs to be updated as well. I can take care of this, once I hear from you and the other verifier. Let me know if you have any objections. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:05, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Year's Best Science Fiction and Fantasy Novellas: 2015 Edition ==<br />
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You are a PV for this title: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?514546 I just submitted this edit to moderators: "Submitting corrected pages, external ID (OCLC) & an addition to pub note (Paging on author bios and "acknowledgements" (spelled that way) appear in the table of contents). I added the bios & credits to the regular titles." The discrepancy on paging was that the final pages appear only in the table of contents. Cheers. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 19:14, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:okey dokey :) Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 13:43, 27 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Kelly Link / Magic for Beginners ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?287842 Magic for Beginners] and would like to:<br />
<br>1) delete statement "a correct ISBN-10, and an invalid ISBN-13". I have checked the ISBN-13. It is valid and is the correct ISBN-13 for this pub<br />
<br>2) add webpage (publisher's site)<br />
<br>3) add a content record for interiorart by Shelley Jackson and add a corresponding pub note<br />
<br>4) add general pub notes and re-format existing notes to make them clearer<br />
<br>Is this all ok with you? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:57, 30 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I trust all of those edits are correct. I no longer have my copy, and have switched my verification to "transient". THANKS! for making these updates to ISFDB. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 10:16, 31 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Throne of Saturn ==<br />
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You are a PV for this edition: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?371807 I just submitted an edit to moderators that reads: "Submitting three web pages (Kirkus Review, Studiojakemedia review from 2016, Baen Books (re)publisher's page, & Goodreads external ID. Also revised pub note, notably to indicate subtitle of book ("A Novel of Space and Politics"). Taken from book in hand & relevant websites noted here." Cheers. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 01:29, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Good edits. Thanks for notice! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 14:01, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Science Fictional Solar System ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?46566; I have a PENDING edit adding Archive.org link and the month, 10, to contents that were missing it and while making another edit adding LCCN I noticed the page count was wrong, 313 instead of 317, so I fixed that, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:15, 4 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks. I'm chagrinned I missed the page count error. Appreciate your (greater) attention to detail. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 08:51, 5 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== ST: Action ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?32419; I replaced cover with one from Amazon that's a little easier to see; Amazon includes other photos including front flap and back cover which show prices. Archive.org copy has no flap and barcode area on back is a blank white space so I don't know if its a book club copy or what so I didn't add a link. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:03, 9 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Thanks ... but I just uploaded another image which is a scan of the full cover, without the obscuring semi-transparent wrapper. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 12:46, 9 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::When I went to cancel my edit I saw that, like an idiot, I HAD added the Archive.org link along with the new image even though I said above that I hadn't. It's cancelled now but I noticed something odd; your edit was linked at the bottom of mine so I clicked on it and the image was broken; clicking on that went to a Wiki page that said there was no image. But I see in "Recent changes" that your image is there looking fine, so I'm not sure what's up with that. Your image is better than the archived copy's, anyway, being brighter and showing more detail. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:54, 9 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Takeoff cover artist credit ==<br />
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I accepted a submission changing the cover artist credit from "A. Shilstone" to "Arthur Shilstone" on two ''Takeoff'' ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34229] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34230]) where you are PV. Both pub records have a note citing the full name in the jacket design credit. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 20:19, 11 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Seasoning versus Seasonings ==<br />
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Would you mind checking your copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?440950 Robot Uprisings] and see if the title of the short story by Alan Dean Foster included in it is "Seasoning" or "Seasonings"? Looking at the ToC via Amazon Look-inside shows "Seasoning" but what is it at the start of the actual story? All of the other instances of that story seem to use "Seasonings". Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:47, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Alien Planet ==<br />
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Regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5815249 this submission]: We list information regarding story expansions, etc. at the title record level vs. the pub record level. This is because such information is applicable to all publications the title appears in. The {{T|11485|Alien Planet title record}} already states it is an expansion of "A Voice Across the Years". If you want to double check for yourself, <br />
''Amazing Stories Quarterly'', Winter 1932 is available via the Internet Archive and you can check the story [https://archive.org/details/Amazing_Stories_Quarterly_v05n01_1932-Winter_pulpscans-cape1736/page/n3/mode/2up here]. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:09, 26 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Dream Quarter ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10760; I have a PENDING edit adding Archive.org link and fixing page count to xxi+194. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:17, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for catching this. I agree the record needs an edit, but I'm going to disagree with "xxi+194". Instead, I recommend "xxi+[3]+194+[1]". [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 08:54, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Life Beyond Us ==<br />
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Hi, you PVed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?933143 this], which seems like it should be merged or varianted with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3149585 this]? As you're the only one with a copy of any of those publications, you're probably best placed to determine what the correct or parent title should be. Thanks! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:41, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Help! Sorry, I looked for a way to add my version to the title record of the other two, but don't see how to do this. All three editions were issued with the same contents, publisher, and publication date. Just three different form factors. If there's a tutorial on what needs to be done, feel free to point me to it, and I'll do the edit. If not too much of a hassle, I'd also appreciate if you can do it. Either way, Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 17:44, 3 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:: I think you can just do advanced search->title->select "life beyond us" and anthology, and then merge the two titles. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=title_title&O_1=contains&TERM_1=life+beyond+us&C=AND&USE_2=title_ttype&O_2=exact&TERM_2=ANTHOLOGY&USE_3=title_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=title_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=title_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=title_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=title_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=title_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=title_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=title_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=title_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Title This link] should hopefully get you most of the way there - you'll need to check both titles, and then choose which fields from each of the two title records should be kept for the merged record. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:21, 3 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Edit submitted. I really appreciate the guidance. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 09:38, 4 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Remaking History and Other Stories ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27768; Should publisher be Orb? I added Archive.org link in a PENDING edit and it says Orb on title page, copyright page, back cover, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:17, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Martha Wells / The Murderbot Diaries ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?829116 The Murderbot Diaries] and will add pub notes, particularly stating source of publication month, and will correct start page of Introduction from 1 to 7. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 12:42, 16 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Life of Riley ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?72294; Copy uploaded to Archive.org nearly 10 years ago; I added a link in a PENDING edit, replaced the Amazon "P" image with cover on SFE, and added starting page #, 7, to the novella. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:40, 23 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Effinger Contest ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35984; I added note long ago about contest results in his collection Dirty Tricks; while adding an Archive.org link to Bird of Time today I noticed it has the same thing, mentioned on contents page as being on p. 177, so you may want to add that to contents with a note similar to what's in Dirty Trick's record here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:37, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:OK. Done. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 16:04, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== David Zindell / Neverness ==<br />
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I will add the pub series "A Robert Silverberg Science Fiction Selection" to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23681 Neverness] as per discussion [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Silverberg_and_Neverness Silverberg and Neverness] on Community Portal. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:39, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Anna-Marie McLemore ==<br />
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Hello! According to the cover of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?877827 this publication] I have changed the author's name from Anna-Marie McClemore to the one stated in the heading of this item, assuming it was a typo (if that was not the case, please turn it backwards and variant accrdingly). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 05:19, 8 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Yep, was a typo. THANKS for the catch and fix. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 09:42, 8 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Through My Glasses Darkly ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?256585; I added link to book from Luminist.org in a PENDING edit; LCCN isn't actually on the Library of Congress site so you may want to remove ID and add a note about that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:05, 23 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I have removed the LCCN link. Cheers. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 05:19, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::Thanks, Pete. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 09:35, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== S-F: The Year's Greatest Science-Fiction and Fantasy ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?191221<br />
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Hiya mate I'm asking the other active pvs if they mind if I change the pages data for this one. The essay at the end is on unnumbered pages so i think it should be changed to 342+[10] with the essay starting on [343]. Also the intro and preface are listed in the contents as p8 and p10 but the actual pages themselves are unnumbered so should they be changed to [8] and [10]? That's the way the hc has it except that has the summation and hon mentions as seperate essays Cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 12:08, 3 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Howdy. Yes, all fine with me. I appreciate you fixing this ... and the heads-up. Thanks! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 14:05, 3 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::cheers mate its nice to get a friendly response on here! Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 09:43, 4 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Tales in Time ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5895518; I made some fixes/additions. If all is OK let me know. I reminded myself to add the u1 tag and then forgot to add it at the notes' end so if you remember after it's approved you may want to fix that if I forget (again). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:18, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Theodore Sturgeon / More Than Human ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?22863 More Than Human] and will update the date to 1953-10-00. The [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?22862 FSY / Ballantine pb] is dated 1953-10-00. Currey states that the hc and pb were issued with "no priority". [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:34, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== And All the Stars a Stage ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291196; I added Archive.org link in a PENDING edit; copy ends on 205 and most sites say 206 as do we so is there really a p. 206? Also, back flap says Gail Burwen / Cloud Studio; that studio has a couple of ISFDB credits so you may want to add them to the cover credit for this book. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:18, 29 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:submitted edit to add Cloud Studio [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 10:06, 29 February 2024 (EST)<br />
==The 5th Annual of the Year's Best S-F==<br />
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34937 <br />
I added <br />
"Each story is prefaced by a few paragraphs about the author, by the editor." to the notes, if that's OK. Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 21:39, 7 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:Also,does the TOC of your copy list "Inquiry Concerning the Curvature of the Earth's Surface" https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?58645 or "An Inquiry Concerning the Curvature of the Earth's Surface and Divers Investigations of a Metaphysical Nature" https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?575453? My copy lists the latter, so I'll change it if you have no objection. Thanks again, [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 23:16, 7 March 2024 (EST)<br />
::Hello. You are correct. That story's title should start with "An ...". I'd appreciate if you could make that correction, and link it to the correct story title listing. VERY much appreciated! [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 14:21, 8 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Women of Vision ==<br />
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I added the contents to {{P|55289|Women of Vision}} based on the Internet Archive scan. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:57, 9 March 2024 (EST)</div>
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== SV removal ==<br />
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In the USD edition of {{P|290822|Dilvish, the Damned}} Reginald3 is correctly SV'd and numbered. In the {{P|10142|Canadian printing}} it has also been SV'd - wrongly. Could someone remove that and mark it N/A. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:42, 1 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== adding a publication ==<br />
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Can a publication listing be added before the item is offered for sale? (i.e., I have obtained an ARC with all relevant info, but the book is not scheduled for publication for a couple more weeks) {{unsigned|Fabius}}<br />
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: The short answer is "yes". To quote [[Help:Screen:NewPub]]:<br />
:* '''Future Publication Dates''' - ISFDB captures records for some publications that have been announced for release in the future.<br />
:** New publications announced for the near future (within the next 90 days) should be given that future publication date.<br />
:** Do not create records for newly announced publications scheduled for release more than 90 days into the future, as these plans often change.<br />
: [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:38, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: One small note to add - if you are working from an ARC, mention it in the notes (when we work from pre-release records, we note the date for example making it obvious that we are adding pre-publication). Things change between ARCs and the actual book occasionally so that will minimize the risk of us ending with two separate records downstream. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:42, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Second set of eyes please. ==<br />
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I've submitted a publication [[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5709664 deletion]] that I'd rather not self-approve as it involves someone else's entry and PV. Thank you in advance. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:23, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: After reviewing the data I agree that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?483390 record 483390] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?556122 record 556122] apparently describe the same pub. I see that one of them has been verified by you and the other one by [[User:Don Erikson]], who has been inactive for the last 3+ years.<br />
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: One way to handle this situation would be for you to delete "your" pub record, then to primary-verify Don's pub, thus keeping both primary verifications. Would that work for you? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:58, 4 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: An obvious approach. I reloaded the cover image as well. Will deleting a publication automatically get rid of the associated image? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:46, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: The only effect deleting the publication has on the wiki page is breaking the link back to the publication. I went ahead and deleted it, mod only function, since you reloaded the image and created a new wiki page. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:23, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Mouser Goes Below ==<br />
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Hello. After a long while, I have released this edit [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5374496] for other moderators to have a look. While Willem agrees it's a Novel rather than a Novella, I am not entirely comfortable with affecting the change. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 06:39, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Examining the text in my ebook collection, I see that the submitter is correct: it contains over 64.5K words. I would make it a NOVEL and leave a canned message on the primary verifiers' Talk pages. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:04, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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PS. Real-life hasn't been nice to me the last couple of months, hence my absence from the site. Not sure when/if I will be back... Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 06:39, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Sorry to hear about the real life issues! Hopefully things will improve sooner rather than later. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:04, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:I've approved the change to NOVEL and fixed all the translations to be NOVEL types as well. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:37, 5 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Hollowing ==<br />
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Hello Mods. I have a question regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?289319 this] publication. I made a note that the book has an appendix, which is an in-universe folk tale of Ryhope Wood by Goerg Huxley - i.e. it's fictional. The tale has a title and a note before it making it appear as if it is an out of universe (i.e. a 'real world') tale. Should I add this as content ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 02:07, 8 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:I think your treatment is fine, unless we discover the same story ended up published elsewhere. You might adjust the note to call out that it's a fictional appendix, and its credited author, "George Huxley" is an in-universe character. If you did want to make a content entry for it, I think you'd need to title it something like: "<whatever> by George Huxley" and make the author credit be Robert Holdstock. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:46, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks. I'll leave it as is and amend the note per your suggestion. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 14:16, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Who to credit ? ==<br />
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Hello Mods. The can of worms of cover design vs cover photo opens again with the two Gollancz editions of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?102350 Trillion Year Spree]. I made a note for my trade paperback copy that it states "Jacket design by Don Macpherson (over) Jacket photograph by Peter Letts" on backcover. The hardback credits Macpherson wheres the trade paperback credits Letts. So which one of those two get's the cover art credit ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 15:38, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Macpherson does not get a credit under any circumstances - designers never do. If the hardback only credits "cover: Macpherson", then I'd been inclined to add a "Macpherson (in error)" credit and pseudonym to Letts thus allowing a variant cover and credits as per the books. As long as Letts photographs are on the cover and not the author photo of course. Alternatively, no credit for anyone and just notes (photographs are a bit of a gray area sometimes as Cover Artists but if you decide to credit -- it should be Letts). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:46, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks Annie. Maybe you could tell Makwood that as I tried to ask him what his hardback copy said (ghaving quoted him what mine said). See [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Markwood#Trillion_Year_Spree here] where he states "So, you're saying the jacket front is a photograph, and not a graphic design? Doesn't appear that way to me". Gonna change the credit. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 00:46, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Brainchild ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5716829; I added 2 ID and a note about page count but it insists that I did something with the title which I didn't. Why is that? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:53, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Checking the raw database data, I see that the main ANTHOLOGY title has a page number, "|1", associated with it. It wasn't displayed when you edited the publication record because the "Page" field is grayed out and not editable for ANTHOLOGY (and other "container") titles. My first guess was that at one point this publication was a NOVEL or another non-container and the non-container title had "|1" assigned to it. Checking [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?297598 Edit History], I see that this pub did have its title type [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3992773 changed to ANTHOLOGY on 2018-10-14], which suggests that my guess was correct.<br />
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: Once your submission is approved, the "|1" page number will disappear. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:54, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Change required for variant name: Ren Qing -> Channing Ren ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?366142 任青] is listed on the Hugo finalist list with the western name "Ren Qing". When I added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?959764 the tp pub that has their story], I noted that various sources reported them as Channing Ren.<br />
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I've now bought [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?960977 the ebook pub], and - Sod's Law - it turns out that Channing Ren is how they are listed in the actual antho, see [https://twitter.com/ErsatzCulture/status/1679946416830001154/photo/1 here].<br />
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Could someone update [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?366143 the Ren Qing author record] accordingly please? Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 16:37, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Done. Also, as an FYI, changing the author name in the English Title record from "Ren Qing" to "Channing Ren" would have deleted the "Ren Qing" author record and created a new author record for "Channing Ren". The new author record would then need to be turned into an alternate name of "任青", but it could be done by a self-approver. Not a big deal, just something to keep in mind in the future. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:31, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks; I did wonder if something like that was doable, but I thought better to just punt it here.<br />
:: There's another one coming down the line, which I've put off, because I spent a day trying to get my head round it, and trying to write it up to confirm (a) a consensus for that course of action, and (b) how exactly to tackle it, isn't something I'm relishing. I don't think many westerners have realized there are 2 different Hugo finalists called [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?344566 杨枫] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?366182 杨枫(I)], and IMHO we probably have the disambiguations the wrong way round, as the former should probably be an alternate name for 天爵, who isn't in the database yet. Something to look forward too... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:32, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wolfe - Der fünfte Kopf des Zerberus - novel and novella dating ==<br />
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Whilst editing two of my own English language pubs of this title I noticed some dating which someone, hopefully, can clarify for me.<br />
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There are two novella titles by different translators {{T|1582693|1974-11-00 trans. by Yoma Cap}} and {{T|1699730|1982-05-00 by Eva Malsch}}.<br />
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The novel {{T|1347139|1974-11-00 trans. by Yoma Cap}} dating looks ok as does the Eva Malsch translation but I don't see a 1974-11-00 Yoma Cap novella publication - only the {{P|414367|1984-04-00}} one as the first instance.<br />
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The note in the {{T|1957|1972-04-00}} novel title page refers to the German translations but doesn't help me.<br />
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So, do we treat the novel and the novella as having the same first instance date? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:44, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The sequence of events as I understand it is as follows:<br />
:* The novella version of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?41405 "The Fifth Head of Cerberus"] was published in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25103 ''Orbit 10''] on 1972-02-16.<br />
:* The novella version became Part 1 of the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1957 novel version which used the same title], ''The Fifth Head of Cerberus'', and was first published on 1972-04-00.<br />
:* Both the novella version and the novel version were subsequently reprinted by various US/UK publishers.<br />
:* The second part of the novel version was later reprinted as a separate novelette [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?40602 ''"A Story" by John V. Marsch''] in a 1994-07-00 anthology. We have it dated "1994-07-00".<br />
:* Yoma Cap's first German translation of the novel version was published as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1347139 ''Der fünfte Kopf des Zerberus''] in 1974-11-00.<br />
:* The first part of Yoma Cap's German translation (which corresponds to the novella version of "The Fifth Head of Cerberus") was [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1582693 reprinted in 1984 and then again in 2002]. The title date of this title is currently set to "1974-11-00" and matches the date of the first publication of the German ''novel''.<br />
:* The third (and final) part of the ''English'' novel hasn't been reprinted as a separate novella. However, the third part of Yoma Cap's ''German'' translation was published as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1570793 "V. R. T.", a separate novella] on 1983-04-00. The title date of this title is currently set to "1983-04-00".<br />
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: The problem then is that we have an inconsistency. The separate English appearance of the second part, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?40602 ''"A Story" by John V. Marsch''], is currently dated "1994-07-00" and matches the date of the anthology in which it appeared. Similarly, the separate German appearance of the third part, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1570793 "V. R. T."], is dated 1983-04-00 and matches the date of the anthology in which it appeared. However, the separate German appearance of the novella version (which is the same as the first part of the novel), is dated "1974-11-00", when the novel translation appeared, as opposed to "1984-04-00", which is when the separate German version appeared.<br />
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: Based on the above, I would suggest changing the title date of the novella version of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1582693 "Der fünfte Kopf des Zerberus"] from 1974-11-00 to 1984-04-00. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:17, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for taking such a careful look at this and your elegant answer. It resolves my uncertainty about novella/novel treatment and confirms where I thought the problem lay - your 6th bullet point homes in on that. I've submitted the change 1974-11-00 to 1984-04-00 as you've suggested :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:07, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: The submission has been approved, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:14, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Great! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:44, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mod Bob ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:Moderator-availability; Bob should be removed from the list. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:58, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Done, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 23:04, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Elizabeth Spencer ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?131734; https://www.amazon.co.uk/Elizabeth-Spencer/e/B01MFH59N3; Last 2 stories are by a young lady with the same name. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:27, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: It looks like Stonecreek has already changed their author from "Elizabeth Spencer" to "Elizabeth Spencer (I)". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:30, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yes, except he added her image to webpage field by mistake, so I've just moved it to the right field, pending approval. Also, the older Spencer has a photo under "Movies, TV and Bio" on Amazon but as usual with "S" URL photos like those ISFDB won't accept them with or without the trailing stuff before .jpg, giving an unsupported message. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:22, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Your submission is approved. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:08, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Image delete x2 ==<br />
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Could someone please delete the older images [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THSHRNKNGM2014.jpg here] and [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THSHRNKNGB2014.jpg here]. Uploaded by mistake. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:14, 25 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Deleted as requested. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:36, 25 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks John. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:44, 25 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dawson ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1968198; I added link to Hodder and created a new record for Crowell, it's W. J. Dawson in both, author name neeeds changing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:29, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pawsey ? Hayes ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5719001; I am not entering all of that info again just for a minor publisher name change so if someone knows how to preserve the one sentence in the publisher record then my edit can be un-rejected. Seems to me it would have made more sense to accept the edit and then cut-and-paste the sentence into the publisher record afterwards. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:53, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I first went to the publisher record and changed the name there. Then that portion of your submission effectively became a no-up (changing the existing name to the same thing, so no publisher deletion), so I was able to un-reject it and approve it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:05, 25 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Johnsgard ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5718012; I made another edit adding all info except name change, cover artists entered with alternate name for the man so after it's accepted that can be used as the parent, I guess. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:59, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Change made and submissions approved. Submit an edit to import the cover art credit into the tp and I'll approve it. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:18, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== SJS ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=solomon+j&type=Name; 1 credit each for the last 2 guys, your decision which is parent and which is variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:23, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?360672 Done]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:28, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Islands in the Sky cover art ==<br />
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Entry for cover art for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?652621 this] publication shows two different images, although the spacestation is the same the approaching rocket has been replaced by a boy on the 1984 edition - both images are by Peter Andrew Jones. Should the later edition's image not be seperated out and varianted ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 12:40, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: We variant for author, title, language and title type (artwork & serials only). We do not variant for a difference in the artwork. It's the same and we merge or it isn't. The same meaning "all or part of one appears in the other". [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:47, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Alrighty. I only queried since there is a substantial difference between the one signed 'PAJ 80 Solar Wind' and the one signed 'PAJ 81' --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 15:15, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: If you think they are different enough, you can unmerge them and add notes on the reasons for it. I think they fall under our "is contained in" or "is part of" rule so they are ok as they are but the rules in that area can be interpreted differently. As John mentioned, they cannot be variants though so the choice is between what we have now and 2 separate unconnected entries. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:21, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::It's fine. I made a note in regards to the difference on the publication, plus the difference is obvious when viewing the cover art entry. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 01:52, 29 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Matheson's Musings ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Zapp#Musings; Do mods agree that it should be changed to an essay? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:26, 31 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Author name change needed ==<br />
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The spelling for author LJ Cohen is currently "L. J. Cohen" [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?203069 sic]. Would a moderator please change it to her preferred spelling of "LJ Cohen"? That is the spelling she uses on her [https://www.ljcohen.net/ website] and which appears on the titles currently recorded in ISFDB. I think the current spelling is a holdover from old spelling rules. Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:22, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: The rules are still valid especially because these are initials (so not really old spelling rules) - but they also allow for author's preference to take precedence. I've changed it and added a note on the page so someone does not "fix" it. As you are the only PV of any of her book I saw, consider this also a notification for the changed in your PVd book :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:24, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thank you. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 16:54, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== (Slightly) clashing pending edits for author Juleen Brantingham ==<br />
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I just submitted [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5730414 5730414], but I get a yellow warning for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5730402 5730402] which makes a similar change. My edit is a superset of the latter - adds a more details place of birth, obit link and expanded note - so could someone reject 5730402, or at least apply it before my edit 5730414 gets applied, so nothing gets lost? Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 13:57, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Approved them in the correct sequence. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:22, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:17, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Horus ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5722514; Can someone change the publisher to Horus Publishing? After that's done will that lead to unrejecting my edit? Because I've done hundreds since then and it's kind of hard to remember what I did for a single edit days or weeks ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:03, 2 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: All good now. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:27, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Architecture of Desire ==<br />
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Entry for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1518517 this] cover art has combined three entirely different pieces of art by Chris Brown. Note that [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/0/0e/BKTG04149.jpg this] is not the same as [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/e/e5/BKTG04151.jpg this] - there are substanial diferences between the two pieces. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 12:53, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:They are definitely different. I've separated them into the three pieces. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:44, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thank you. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 06:23, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Printing ==<br />
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http://www.cars101.com/firstid.html; I think this would be helpful; I have a pending edit adding a Random House book which starts with 2 in the number line but it's not a 2nd printing, that's how they started their lines for much of their history. Can this be added to Help or something? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:22, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Reeves-Stevens - Phase II: The Lost Series ==<br />
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The coverart credit as it stands {{P|32543|here}} is wrong, can we have help from a moderator to sort it out? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:46, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:How is it wrong? Have you contacted [[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] to see what it states on the copyright page? Is there separate art on the front and back covers? If it's a mashup up two pieces of art, each by one of the two credited artists, the listing is correct. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:58, 26 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jem ==<br />
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There seems to be two entries for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?117921 this] publication. The note for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?322056 this] version also has a 1980 printing and a £1.50 price and points to (presumably) the true 1980 printing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?JMRCPBTPGS1980 here]. Can't determine what the difference between the two entries could possibly be. Thoughts ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 16:36, 11 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Accidental cover upload ==<br />
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Hello Mods I inadvertantly uploaded the hardback cover art for a paperback edition (that'll teah me to look first). Title in question is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27997 Return to Eden]. If someone could revert it back to what it was previously that' be great. I have uploaded it to the correct hardback edition. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 13:17, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Reverted. I also approved your submission adding the image to the Grafton hc. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:24, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Muster of Ghosts ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:MSTRFGHSTS1924.jpg; My cover doesn't show up but neither does the cover someone else uploaded last year. Can someone get my cover to show up? Also, I made an edit adding editor as cover artist so can you approve that, too. You also may want to check to see if the other person uploaded a cover for the American edition (different title) because there's no cover there, either. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:14, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== TCASFW Discussion ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Mavmaramis#TCASFW; When one of you approves my edit you can discuss with this PV what you'd like to do. I think their final message is that one of their volumes has a dash and one doesn't. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:46, 14 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Adding image credit , please ==<br />
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Good day,<br />
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I need help.<br />
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I would like to have an INTERIOR ART CREDIT added for Author record # 269730 ; Carl Lavoie.<br />
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It’s in the recent<br />
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Vastarien: A Literary Journal. Vol. 6, Issue 1<br />
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and it’s the frontispiece illustration, ‘The Evil Eye'.<br />
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Here’s a link to a sample of the issue, the illustration is right after the cover page:<br />
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https://www.amazon.com/Vastarien-Literary-Journal-vol-issue/dp/B0CBT4B6D1/ref=sr_1_1?crid=28D1CYLFVH4XL&keywords=vastarien+literary&qid=1692175645&sprefix=%2Caps%2C152&sr=8-1&asin=B0CBT4B6D1&revisionId=&format=4&depth=1<br />
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And here’s a link to the publisher, listing the content of the recent issue:<br />
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https://grimscribepress.com/issues/<br />
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Thank you. And have a wonderful day.<br />
-Carl Lavoie<br />
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: Thank you for getting interested in our little project. However, it seems as if the issue you refer to hasn't been added yet; the latest one I can find is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?872536 this] from 2021.<br />
: But before you or someone else becomes active and enters it: this seems to be a general literary journal which then wouldn't be eligible per se to ISFDB (which is devoted to speculative fiction); for such a journal only the speculative fiction items, the artwork illustrating them, and essays referring to speculative fiction would be allowed to be included in the entry (see [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Definitions these definitions]. Please think about it, and then think if you'd like to get help to add the publication in question. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:18, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Edmund Frederick, Chambers ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5746601; I came across Quick Action by Robert W. Chambers and added links (and a Canadian reprint) and then decided to enter links and stuff for other Chambers books illustrated by Frederick. Ran into trouble immediately because Tracer of Lost Persons is as by "R. W. Chambers" so if someone can approve my edit so it can be made a variant and month added to title record. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:46, 19 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Done. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:54, 27 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== MRC ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2970668; An Archive.org link was recently upped for his 2014 novel so I added a link then I saw that his recent novel didn't have cover art in both editions so I imported it, then I noticed that the cover artist, who is also the author, didn't have a period added after R so it's a separate record. Since R with a period has bio info that means if I add a period it will erase the info, I think, so if one of you can add it without erasing the info. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 07:56, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I fixed it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:04, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dragon / Grafton / Collins (UK) ==<br />
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I'm editing {{P|178073|Asimov's Extraterrestrials}} and on the title page is stated "Dragon [over] Grafton Books [over] A Division of the Collins Publishing Group". We have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?27309 Dragon / Grafton / Collins (UK)] but my understanding is that we don't record the owners (Collins) of the publishers (Grafton). If that's correct, the four publications (also 1986) listed in that category should be "Dragon / Grafton" (as imprint / publisher). If moderators agree, that's what I propose using in the Publisher field for my edit (and I could also amend the four other publications to the same). Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:40, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Not hearing any objections, I'll wait another few days and then implement the above. Thanks, Kev.--[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 09:54, 9 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== With/with ==<br />
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I happened to notice that a mod is correcting "With" to "with" in a lot of records. Is there some way to trawl all the records and automatically correct wrongly capitalized words (or vice versa) with a patch or something? Seems like that would be helpful and save a lot of time. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:22, 27 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Multiple Archive.org Links ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5756500; Can a mod approve my edits for Number 87 from the first one linked above and ending with 5756519? I want to know if adding the second Archive.org link which someone added to the title records instead of the Macmillan edition's record will erase the much more recent link, uploaded this year, which I added in my first edit. On a side note, author's collection Thoughts in Prose and Verse also has been linked, no contents, in case anyone cares to read it and enter genre stories. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:15, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Does everything look as you intended? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:32, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yeah, I don't know, I've completely confused myself. I see one title record still has old link that I removed and I missed another Macmillan link, so I've removed it again and added new link. I don't even think my note above was correct because the new link is for the UK edition so it wouldn't erase the US link. Forget it, I can't do this stuff anymore, 2 more links to approve when you get a chance, someone else will have to take a look and make sure links are where they're supposed to be along with everything else, I'm done. I've got to get out of here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:03, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== image delete request ==<br />
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Could someone please delete the old (04:13 hrs) image [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:DRKBNDCTNF2015.jpg here]. (edit) See [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:ErsatzCulture#Miller_-_Dark_Benediction this discussion]. Thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 09:15, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Kev, You wish to delete the cover with 'jr' correct? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:43, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yes, that's the one. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 14:20, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Done, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:47, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Thanks John. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:04, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Nine-Thirty O'Clock in the Morning ==<br />
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Curious what happened to the usual 5-minute or so delay at 9:30 every morning. It didn't happen today. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:22, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The daily backups run between 9:30am and 9:35am. The database is unavailable until they finish.<br />
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: On 2023-08-30 the backup process was modified to exclude a large and fast growing database table which didn't need to be backed up in the first place. An error was introduced while making the change, which caused the backups to fail on 2023-08-31. The error was corrected the same day and the backups have been running smoothly ever since. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:29, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Deagol ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Deagol; I added my first-ever message to this PV and noticed all messages are in italics or a weird font or something. Probably not important but I thought I'd mention it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:01, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:That's bizarre. I can't see anything on that page that would cause everything to be in italics. I can't find any other page that are like that, either. I'm guessing it's something that went funky on the backend. We'd have to have Al or Ahasuerus look at it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:26, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Nevermind, I found it. While it shouldn't have affected the entire page (it should have only affected the part after it), I removed the italics from the page with [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk%3ADeagol&type=revision&diff=670207&oldid=670204 this edit]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:29, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Here's another page; https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_Talk:Clarkmci. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:25, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Fixed. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:19, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Pastel City. ==<br />
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Hello mods. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1868818 This] interior art is the same artwork as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2251327 this] title record. I'd also like to rename the interior art record from "The Great Rebellion [1]" to "CA 440 Minifreighter" (as per art caption in Cowley's Great Space Battles). --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 16:38, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: If there is a caption (or a title somewhere) in the book, then yes, rename and use that - captions and titles from inside of the books are always used when known instead of the standard [] notation. If the title was coming from a secondary source, we would just add it into the notes but if it is in the book, go ahead and rename. And variant it to the cover :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:30, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::You may want to participate at [[Rules_and_standards_discussions#Interior_art_-_do_we_use_artwork_captions_in_the_titling.3F|this Rules and standards discussions]]. As pointed out in that discussion, the current rules do not include using the caption / title (though that has become a common practice) and so far there has not been agreement to change the rules. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:00, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Will do. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:45, 15 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Steve Duffy, The Faces at Your Shoulder ==<br />
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Having read this book at the Toronto Library, I would ask a moderator to add this collection to the (original) Steve Duffy page: (not Steve Duffy (1))<br />
Steve Duffy, The Faces at Your Shoulder (Sarob Press, 2023) 181 pages 38 pounds<br />
Foreword, Duffy<br />
page 1 The Oram County Whoosit (Shades of Darkness, 2008) in isfdb<br />
page 37 The Soul is a Bird (original)<br />
page 71 In the Days Before the Monsters (original)<br />
page 101 The Pyschomanteum (Crooked Houses, 2020, Egaeus Press) this is NOT an original story, the original publication is not in isfdb<br />
page 123 The Lion's Den (Cern Zoo, 2009) in isfdb<br />
page 155 Futureboro (original)<br />
page 179 Notes on the Stories (uncredited in the book, the Sarob Press website attributes this to Duffy)<br />
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One other unrelated correction:<br />
The review Jean Rhys Revisited (2001) by Alexis Lykiard should be moved from the original Ray Russell page <br />
to the R. B. Russell page (aka Ray Russell (1)) this is actually a chapter in R. B. Russell's Fifty Forgotten Books {{unsigned|RogerSSS}}<br />
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== Protocol for working on recently added/changed publications ==<br />
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There has always been potential for moderators unknowingly working on the same set of submissions. Early on we added the ability to put submissions "on hold" in order to mitigate this problem. Later, we added the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/recent_activity_menu.cgi Recent Activity] page and, even more recently, "Edit History", which helps avoid confusion and cross-approvals.<br />
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At the same time, the recent implementation of the "self-approver" system significantly increased the number of editors who can approve submissions. Earlier today we had a [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Stonecreek#Eccentric_Orbits:_An_Anthology_of_Scienc collision] between a moderator working on new submissions and a self-approver who noticed the new publication and tried to improve it while the moderator was still researching it. The result was a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?970089 mishmash of approvals].<br />
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What should be the standard for moderators and self-approvers working on recently approved records which the original approver may still be researching? Since we now have Edit History, should it be something like:<br />
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* Before correcting/adding data to a publication record, check its Edit History. If the record has been created or modified within the last 24 (12? 48? 72?) hours, check with the last approving moderator to see if the record is still being researched.<br />
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? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:48, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I consider it always a good idea to talk to the editors and moderators that had worked on a record that still need work before changing the work of people -- sometimes they have an edit staying in a browser and never submitted, sometimes they just had not had a chance to get back to the record to fix it (or got distracted) and sometimes it is a misunderstanding of the rules on someone's part - the person trying to improve or the editor who started it or simply a disagreement on how things need to be entered where the rules allow editor's discretion. And especially if the submitter is a new(ish) user and there is no note from the handling moderator on their page yet but I think it is common courtesy in all cases. Asking for 24 hours grace period is a good first step I guess. Adding to that the requirement for communication before the edits are done will be even better - and will also help getting our editors closer to being self-sustaining. I did not think that we need to put that in writing but apparently it is not as self-evident as I always assumed it to be. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:18, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Could we add a flag to each record that gets set when a change is submitted, and then removed 25 hours after the submission is approved (and removed if a submission is declined)? Then the system could display a note on the edit page for any record that has that flag set. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:20, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Well, if the goal is to display a warning when an editor tries to edit a publication record that has been modified within the last 24 hours, then it can be done without adding new flags. We already have Edit History; it would be easy to modify the software to check it and display a warning. We'll just need to decide on what the warning should say. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:31, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Mountain being made out of a molehill. No need to add bureaucracy and development effort for a problem that rarely happens. This is a collaborative project which means people could occasionally work on the same items, but, in practice, it rarely happens in a short period of time. People should not feel possessive about their edits. An equally valid solution would be for moderators to put edits on hold and do their research prior to accepting the submission. That way they can make the corrections immediately after accepting the submission. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:34, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Let me just clarify that adding a note along the lines of "This Publication was last edited by X and approved by Y on 2023-09-12 at 12:34pm" to EditPub forms affecting recently edited publications would be quite simple. We already have all of the requisite data in a readily accessible location within the database. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:22, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Apparently the definition of possessive, as used in the above comment, is the approving moderator making the necessary changes and/or communicating with the submitting user immediately after approval. Isn't that exactly our responsibility? If not please enlighten me. I don't believe a software solution is necessary. It would surprise me if anyone else would decide to edit a publication immediately after its initial approval. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:49, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Re: "edit[ing] a publication immediately after its initial approval", I have come close to accidentally colliding with other editors/moderators a few times. I am subscribed to Amazon's automatic notifications for certain authors. When they publish new books, Amazon sends me an email. Sometimes other editors/moderators buy the same books the day they are published and enter them into the database at around the same time. I don't think it has caused any issues yet, especially now that we have additional yellow warnings, but it's been close a few times. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:09, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: It doesn't take a moderator to know we cannot edit submissions, but must approve them and then make corrections. The comment about research before approval is also incorrect. I had identified the changes I wanted to make. However it took me eight minutes to enter the corrections and the notes to moderator , review and post. P.S. I would have promptly replied to a query as to status.[[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:49, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::This proposal is for a 24-hour period. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:46, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::: Then propose a shorter window. The last time an editor (sitting on the recent updates queue and jumping as soon as they thought they saw something they MUST update now), made a merge on a story in an anthology of 20 titles or more, most of which required updates in the titles and authors (capitalization and spaces an so on) and follow-up merges and my edit had to be redone from scratch because the merge deleted the title ID - thus making the edit unworkable. I did not raise the question back then - I just redid the edit, posted for the new editor (first edit by them -- and anthologies tend to be... not fun) and then walked away for the day. It was not the first time that had happened. If common courtesy won't regulate that and it does happen more often than once in a blue moon, then we will need to spell out some rules. It is not about being possessive or not doing research before approval - it is about giving a moderator the needed time to do their post-approval edits before losing their time and forcing them to either redo the edit from scratch or look through multiple edits to see if something conflicted somewhere and a second edit is required. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:22, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::: The above proposal doesn't address your scenario. A title merge is not a publication edit so wouldn't get the proposed warning. Collisions can happen without people sitting on the recent updates queue & without editing the same pub. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:54, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::: It does - when the merge is because someone opened the recently created publication and looked for duplicates and decided to "help", that is exactly the issue at hand. Collisions always happen - and we all learn to live with them. But these are easily avoidable with a bit of common courtesy (or with a rule that says not to do it - if nothing else works). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:40, 15 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Standards question has reached an impasse ==<br />
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Three verifiers cannot reach agreement regarding current standards. The question revolves around the publication pages field and content titles page field. Please help resolve the impasse [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Nihonjoe#1634:_The_Bavarian_Crisis here] Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:38, 15 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Lee Mandelo, Revisited ==<br />
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Although we view the Lee Mandelo name change as closed, this has not been the case in the general public. In particular, the ISFDB Wikipedia article has recently used Jason Sanford's article about the Lee Mandelo situation as factual evidence of an issue, and I would like to post actual counter evidence of what actually happened. As such, I've been working on two documents. The first is a post-mortem of the situation, which provides a detailed timeline of every submission and communication which is related to the name change. It then summarizes the system issues and potential recommendations. Once the post-mortem is finalized I will post an Open Letter to the SF Community, which will reference that post-mortem.<br />
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The intention of this two articles is to provide a reference-quality document that can be added as a reference to Wikipedia, if needed. So I'd like the documents to be clean, and not contain large sections of indented discussions. There definitely should be discussions, but not within those documents. The first document is available now at:<br />
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* [[User:Alvonruff/A_Post-Mortem_on_the_Lee_Mandelo_Name_Change]]<br />
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Discussion about the document can occur here. Feel free to directly correct any grammar/spelling errors. Detailed discussions about the potential implementation of the recommendations should take place in the usual locations. [[User:Alvonruff|Alvonruff]] ([[User talk:Alvonruff|talk]]) 10:42, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Is this discussion only open to moderators? I appreciate Community Portal can be noisy, but assuming that this discussion is open to all ISFDB stakeholders, maybe have a link on that page here at least? <br />
: (Super trivial observation: maybe fix the "Revisted" typo in the item title, before there are any links pointing at the wrong title?) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:00, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Fine with me to move the discussion so that it is open to all. [[User:Alvonruff|Alvonruff]] ([[User talk:Alvonruff|talk]]) 15:08, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Organizing all of the publicly available data -- submissions, Wiki discussions, etc -- as a timeline sounds like a reasonable idea.<br />
::: One thing that we may want to consider is how the ISFDB project communicates with the outside world. Currently, [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#What_other_Web_sites_and_social_media_accounts_does_the_ISFDB_use.3F the ISFDB FAQ says]:<br />
:::* ''What other Web sites and social media accounts does the ISFDB use?''<br />
:::* ISFDB administrators may post announcements on [http://isfdb.blogspot.com/ this Blogspot] Web page in case of extended unscheduled downtime or connectivity problems. There are no other official or ISFDB-endorsed Web sites, Web pages or social media accounts. Non-ISFDB Web sites and social media accounts maintained by individual ISFDB contributors (editors, moderators and administrators) are independent of the ISFDB and are not endorsed by it.<br />
::: This policy was originally formulated in part due to the existence of Web sites/Web pages like [https://www.facebook.com/internetspecficdb this Facebook page] which uses the ISFDB name and images without clarifying that it is not affiliated with the ISFDB project.<br />
::: The policy means that our project is currently a closed system with no Web/social media presence aside from the ISFDB Web site and no official communications with the outside world except by individual ISFDB contributors acting on their own.<br />
::: If we are to change this approach, we will presumably want to formulate an official communications strategy first. Something like an official social media account, perhaps? (I don't use social media outside of Web/Usenet forums which discuss SF, so I may not be the best person to come up with ideas.)<br />
::: Alternatively, Al could post an "open letter" as an individual. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:12, 17 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::One thing we need to do is try to work with Sanford to correct his information in [https://jasonsanford.substack.com/p/genre-grapevine-for-december-31-2022 his post]. At least based on the timeline Al posted, the first time a concern was posted in one of the public forums here is on Dec 14, 2022 by the author in question, and everything was handled within less than a week. So saying ISFDB "fought against changing Lee Mandelo’s name in the site’s author listing for over a year" is rather a stretch. As noted, we should find a way to make it more clear when we will change a canonical name, but we certainly weren't "fighting" against changing it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:25, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: A new section, "How does the ISFDB deal with author name changes?", was [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB%3AFAQ&type=revision&diff=651853&oldid=651852 added to the ISFDB FAQ] on 2022-12-26 based on this and previous discussions. Can anyone think of additional ways to increase its visibility? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:13, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Additionally, Sanford describes Username as a moderator, which is not and has never been the case. At the very least, his comment was certainly insensitive, but Sanford should do his homework before trying to smear the moderators. Simply checking the list at the top of the Moderator noticeboard would have clarified that point. The "bad publicity" really had nothing to do with us making the change. It was the author posting here and making a request. Once we were made aware there was an issue, we discussed it and quickly made the updates (as noted, within less than a week from being made aware of the issue). The majority of that less-than-a-week was sorting out exactly what needed to be done to make all the changes as it's not a simple thing to do, and things have to be done in a specific order in order to not make it even more difficult to update. <br />
::::I think having an official Twitter/X and/or Facebook account would be good as those are the two largest social media platforms for publishing-related things. The Blogspot site is fine, but no one is going to think of looking there since it's rather obscure. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:25, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::Excuse me, how did I get roped into this nonsense? Some trans activists try to bully this site into changing someone's "dead" name and it's my fault now? What comment are you referring to? I do more edits and leave more messages here than everyone else combined --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:12, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: To clarify: as of last morning, of the 234,773 submissions approved in 2023, 17,359 (7.4%) were created by [[User:Username|Username]]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:41, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: so mentioning a singular thing I said a long time ago is pointless because I wouldn't remember it, anyway. Quote me what I supposedly said. EDIT: Never mind, Mr. Sanford quoted me on his Substack page where I quite logically inquired as to what would happen if Mandelo decided their transition was a mistake and wanted to transition back; would Mandelo and all the assorted friends bully ISFDB into changing everything back to Brit? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:12, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: The [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#How_does_the_ISFDB_deal_with_author_name_changes.3F current policy] is:<br />
::::::* The name chosen to be the canonical name is the most recognized name for the author within the SF genre.<br />
:::::: Lee Mandelo provided evidence that the "most recognized name within the SF genre" was "Lee Mandelo". Once we confirmed it, we changed the canonical name as per the policy, not because the author requested it. Whether the policy should be changed to account for author preferences is a different issue and fodder for the Rules and Standards page. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:05, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: There are countless people online who have said their transition was the result of peer pressure or mental/emotional confusion or bad parents/doctors who encouraged them to transition for their own personal/monetary reasons and, tragically, many of them have already had body parts removed that they'll never be able to replace. Pretending otherwise is choosing not to accept reality. If Mandelo feels like their transition will be permanent and they're happy with that, fine. ISFDB is a gigantic site and highly disorganized; expecting it to run smoothly for one person is unreasonable. The delay in changing the name was due to a complete breakdown in communication, not because of transphobia. I reject terms like "bigoted" and "insensitive" to describe my remark; an apology will suffice. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:12, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: To my shame, I didn't say anything publicly when this kicked off originally - instead choosing to walk away from any association with this site for several months - but quite frankly, I feel that this site would be better off without you. All the edits you do to fix bad data are great in themselves, but I don't think they are worth all the aggravation you cause. If I recall correctly, at least one moderator refuses to work on your edits, and numerous other moderators and editors have had run-ins with you over your edits and general attitude. You've promised on numerous occasions that you intend to leave this site, any chance you can fulfill those promises?<br />
:::::: It's one thing when that stuff is kept internal to this wiki, but when it explodes into the public domain, like it did last December, then all of us get tarred with the same brush, which is why I walked away then. I have numerous issues with what "the other side" did last December - e.g. Sanford's apparent lack of any sort of reaching out to get the ISFDB side of the story; the fact that (as IIRC Scifibones also found) 5 minutes of investigation disproved the claim that the deadname wasn't being still being used for publications (although it looks like some/most of them have finally been updated) - but it's hard to defend the ISFDB position when you had utterly poisoned the discourse. If you don't believe the comments you posted were utterly inflammatory, can I suggest you step out of your FoxNews/Daily Wire/Newsmax/whatever bubble, and understand that you can't talk to people that way?<br />
:::::: Maybe I'll get attacked or censured for this comment, but quite frankly, I'd rather that happen, than have been silent on this. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 08:03, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: [[User:Username|Username]] has been warned about being abrasive and about personal attacks, e.g. [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Username#Warning_re:_the_last_exchange_with_Willem_H._on_the_Community_Portal here]. However, the ideal outcome is not to drive abrasive editors away, it is to help them improve their ability to communicate with other editors to ensure that the project functions smoothly. If it doesn't work, then [[ISFDB:Policy#Conduct_Policy]], which provides for escalating penalties for misconduct up to and including an indefinite block, comes into play. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:52, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) Re-reading [[User:Alvonruff/A Post-Mortem on the Lee Mandelo Name Change]], I have a few suggestions:<br />
* "14 December 2022" where it says "Mandelo posts a request to the Moderator Noticeboard". I suggest linking [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard/Archive_31#Records_Correction_-_Name_.26_Profile_Display the Moderator Noticeboard discussion].<br />
* Same day where it says "A 4-day bibliographic discussion follows with numerous open questions, with responses from Mandelo." I suggest adding that the current standard -- "For authors who publish under multiple names, the canonical name is the most recognized name for that author within the genre" -- was explained to Lee Mandelo who then provided evidence supporting the notion that, as of 2022-12, the "most recognized name" was indeed "Lee Mandelo". That's what triggered the canonical name change.<br />
* The "Recommendations" section of [[User:Alvonruff/A Post-Mortem on the Lee Mandelo Name Change]] suggests the following change to the canonical name policy:<br />
** The Canonical Name of a living author should only be changed at the request of the author in question.<br />
* This would be a fairly major policy change which would affect a number of scenarios. For example, we have received canonical author change requests based on authors trying to promote new working names. To quote what I wrote during the 2022-12 discussion:<br />
** It's been occasionally proposed that we make exceptions to our canonical name policy for certain types of scenarios. For example, {{A|Debora Geary}} published ''A Modern Witch'', a series of popular urban fantasies, in 2011-2013. Then, after a painful divorce, she removed all of them from Amazon and restarted her career as Audrey Faye. A few years ago she published a non-fiction account of her recovery after divorce ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2835287 Sleeping Solo: One Woman's Journey Into Life After Marriage]) in which she explained why she could no longer be associated with the name "Debora Geary". Another example would be a person converting to another religion and changing his or her name to reflect new beliefs. Changing one's gender would be another scenario which has been discussed a few times, including [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive16#Canonical_names_for_transgender_authors an extensive Rules and Standards discussion in September 2018].<br />
** So far these discussions of possible exceptions have failed to lead to a new consensus, in part because of the number of possible scenarios and sub-scenarios. For example, consider {{A|Poppy Z. Brite}}, who has been using the name "Billy Martin" socially since the early 2010s, but whose books continue to be published as by "Poppy Z. Brite".<br />
* We will need to discuss the proposed change on the [[Rules and standards discussions]] page.<br />
[[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:23, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: In my opinion, the best part about the current policy is that it is quantitative/qualitative and not subjective. We did not use "Brit Mandelo" because of someone's whim or someone's views on Mondelo's gender identity or even popular vote. Technically, the switch from Brit to Lee as canonical was made because the underlying measure of primary identification changed over time and "Lee Mandelo" supplanted "Brit Mandelo". I don't think we should have a blanket policy that authors or their agents can request changes. That's another form of whim, and the ISFDB's purpose is not advertising for authors or publishers. Perhaps one thing we could consider, though, is a policy allowing those entities to request that the ISFDB make a switch ahead of the results of an in-progress publishing world change. E.g., if "ABC" came to us and said "I changed my name to 'XYZ', and all of my books are being pulled from the shelves and are being reissued using that name. Could 'XYZ' be configured as my canonical name?" ISFDB could then project the future and perhaps act early. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 14:19, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Re: "allowing those entities to request that the ISFDB make a switch ahead of the results of an in-progress publishing world change", we ran into an issue in this area back in the late 2010s.<br />
::: In 2015 the author who had published the "Vladimir Tod/Slayer Chronicles" series as {{A|Heather Brewer}} [https://ew.com/article/2015/06/25/heather-brewer-zac-brewer-transgender/ changed the name] to "Zac Brewer". There were plans to republish Brewer's old books under the new name and at least one SF story was indeed published that way. Based on that, an ISFDB editor proposed that we change the canonical name to "Zac Brewer" with the expectation that it would soon become the "most recognized name ... within the genre". At the time we decided to wait and see what would happen in another year or two.<br />
::: As it turned out, the name "Zac Brewer" was used on 2 non-genre novels in 2016-2017, but all new speculative fiction (2 novels and 1 story) appeared as by "Z Brewer". I guess it goes to show that making assumptions about future releases is chancy in the publishing business. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:05, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::I agree. Keeping the policy as objective as possible is a good thing. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:43, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: [[User:Alvonruff|Alvonruff]], thanks for a very nice job on the timeline. I'm not sure anything posted on social media ever changed anyone's opinion, but it accurately documents the facts. Sections 3 and 4 are better served as the kickoff to the Rules and Standards discussion and should not be included in the public release. A subsequent post documenting our reasoning and any changes is a better course. Anyone interested can follow and/or participate in the R & S discussions (I anticipate multiple threads). [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]], If you are going to link this thread to the letter, I suggest starting the main thread and moving [[User:MartyD|MartyD's]] & [[User:Nihonjoe|Nihonjoe's]] posts there. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:54, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: I agree that discussions of the current canonical name policy and any proposed changes belong on the Rules and Standards page. I am just waiting for Al to chime in and clarify whether he meant to propose a change. If he did, then we can move the policy part of the discussion there. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:00, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: For Al's postmortem, I think it would be helpful to quote the first paragraph of the '''Canonical Name''' definition from [[Help:Screen:AuthorData]] and to summarize the "enter-name-as-it-appears-in-the-publication" policy and provide links to [[Template:TitleFields:Author]] and [[Template:PublicationFields:Author]] prior to getting into the timeline. That is the working context for the data present in the system and various events that occurred during the timeline. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:32, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: That's a good point. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:20, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== "Review of" ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?412925; While my editing which ended after Labor Day won't resume full-time until October I did, after a week without any edits, start doing a few handfuls of clean-up edits fixing this or that which lately have been almost entirely related to D. F. Lewis. I just came across an interesting situation which a mod should probably take care of because it's a 2-step process, changing ESSAY to REVIEW and then link review from the menu, which mods can approve instantly instead of me doing one step and then waiting for approval before doing the other step. Nemonymous 3 mentioned in the review in the zine linked above is on ISFDB, titled Gold Coin; the issue of New Genre is also here as is the issue of Gigamesh. The last non-linked review is of a Norwegian novel whose title translates as a ghost story so that book almost certainly is eligible and should be entered here and then the review linked to it. That one may require someone with a knowledge of the language. I tried to figure out how to search for all instances of "review of" in All Hallows issues but I couldn't do it. Maybe someone else knows how or, if not, an issue-by-issue check will be needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:07, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pohl - Gateway ==<br />
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Has anybody any suggestions how [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rudam#Pohl_-_Gateway this situation] might be resolved. No progress has been made as the PV is unresponsive. Thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:54, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Image Deletion ==<br />
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Could a moderator please delete [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:THBKFSTRND2014.jpg this image]. The licensing tag information is incorrect. After the deletion, I will re-upload with correct tag. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:47, 21 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Done. You could have edited the tag BTW :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:18, 21 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I didn't realise I could do it myself. Thanks for the image deletion and the heads up re editing the licence tag. I have now figured out how to do it for the future. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:44, 22 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Shutdown ==<br />
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Library of Congress has an ominous red warning about what will happen if the U.S. government shuts down a few days from now. Will anything on this site be affected or will it make no difference? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:57, 28 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The only effect will be not being able to look up LCCNs. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:03, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== LOTR Book ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3078415; Another editor added an archived link to the Canadian edition recently but nobody ever added a link to the USA edition which has been there since 2010 so I just added it. The title is in question because it's written in fancy font on title pages; PV Auric seemed to think Film Book should be 2 words but other editions are Filmbook. So which should it really be, and should Part I be removed from USA title since it's not actually part of the title in the book? PV doesn't respond very often so I thought I'd bring it up here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:12, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Date for Voyage of Mael Duin's Curragh ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49434; I just had my edit adding an archived link and fixing cover artist/adding interior artist but after looking at it I realized dates are off because Locus, https://www.locusmag.com/index/b1.htm, has one of those 2-date things and someone entered book as October but title and cover art are September, with my new interior art credit matching the book's October date. What's the rule? Which date should they all be? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:03, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:What does it state on the copyright page? If it includes a month, that's what we should use. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:04, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::No, there's no month, if there was that would take precedence over Locus. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:16, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cover art credit removal ==<br />
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As we don't credit designers for coverart, would moderators agree to removing Michniewicz's titles from {{P|129031|here}} and {{P|174091|here}}? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:50, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:[https://www.locusmag.com/index/yr2000/b5.htm#A119.2 Locus1] credits Michniewicz for the first one's cover. Since he is PV for both, you could try reaching out to Michael (use the ISFDB to send him mail) and see if he'll respond and offer an opinion. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:34, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Unfortunately I can't use the email system (it won't work with my provider, even though Ahasuerus has tried to fix it for me) so the only possibility there is if some kind soul would email him for me.<br />
::As far as I can ascertain from all the pub notes, Michniewicz is credited as designer for a lot of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?168 the series] for the simple graphics. It is only for later issues where Gollancz have incorporated actual artwork that the artists get credit. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:29, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::Any other help please? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 00:03, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: I would leave a note on [[User talk:Mhhutchins]] re: the proposed changes. If there is no response after a week, we can remove the COVERART titles and document the designers in Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:12, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::I've left a message on his talk page. Thank you for the advice! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 02:10, 8 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== John Goss ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?239252; 2 different guys. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:39, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Separated out. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:54, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Goat ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?882813; Can a mod take a look at those last 2 edits? I see at least a few problems with ID and web links; maybe I'm wrong but I don't think they should be there. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:07, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Shadow Edits ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:MOHearn#Return_of_the_Shadow; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5782555; I contacted MOHearn but we have some cross-editing going on so if I can ask one of you to approve my edits (assuming there's no problem with any of them) starting with the one linked above and going through 5782728 (there's 4 non-Shadow edits from 5782649 through 5782652; ignore those) so we can put these behind us. Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:29, 5 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== El Topo ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5784269; HC copy uploaded recently, I'm going to add it (I added that paper edition a while ago) but wanted to get this edit approved first assuming mods agree it should be a chapbook since novelization is only 80-something pages with the rest being non-fiction. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:00, 6 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cleaning up English translations of RUR ==<br />
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Hi all, I'm in the process of cleaning up the English translations of {{A|Karel Čapek|161}}'s {{T|2218756|RUR}}. This has led to a bunch of related edit submissions ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5776995 5776995], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791148 5791148], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791149 5791149], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791151 5791151], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791157 5791157], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791159 5791159], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791160 5791160], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791188 5791188]), several of which will involve follow-up edits.<br />
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That said, I'm not quite sure how to approach cleaning up one of the existing {{T|1156033|chapbook}} / {{T|1156034|shortfiction}} pairs. There are 3 associated publications: {{P|328124}}, {{P|362654}}, {{P|529466}}.<br />
* '''{{P|328124}}''' is an English translation by David Short that I expect is distinct from the other two publications.<br />
* '''{{P|362654}}''' is an English translation by David Wyllie that is currently mapped to the wrong title(s) based on viewing the publication's title page via a reading sample from Amazon (see edit [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5776995 5776995]).<br />
* '''{{P|529466}}''' is a seemingly unknown English translation from Amazon's on-demand (self-)publisher. I haven't been able to find much trace of this particular edition online. I'm guessing this is likely a reprint of the out-of-copyright translation by Paul Selver possibly further adapted by Nigel Playfair.<br />
Do the following actions seem appropriate for this situation?<br />
# Unmerge {{P|328124}} and associate with new variant chapbook and shortfiction titles (distinct translation by David Short)<br />
# Unmerge {{P|362654}} and associate with different variant {{T|1114927|chapbook}} and {{T|1314651|shortfiction}} titles (distinct translation by David Wyllie)<br />
# Leave {{P|529466}} as is, but update associated {{T|1156033|chapbook}} and {{T|1156034|shortfiction}} titles to note that this is an unknown translation.<br />
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Thanks! --[[User:Riselka|Riselka]] ([[User talk:Riselka|talk]]) 14:03, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Yep - when we know the translators of a specific book, unmerge the chapbook and the story, make them variants and add the translator to the notes of both titles. We had been slowly chipping at the early messes such as this one, created long before we started recording translators on the title level - so thanks for sorting it out. I also tend to add a "This title may contain multiple distinct translations" note or something to that effect to the one with unknown translators - when there is more than one book anyway. If two unknowns are known to be different, we also unmerge them and add as much as we know on their notes to identify what goes where... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:23, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Jules Verne has lots of examples of multiple translations in various languages. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 17:29, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks, that makes sense. I mainly wanted to check how to handle this particular instance because I expected the translator could be identified if someone checked this particular edition. Jules Verne is a good (although more complex) example that I'll keep in mind when I clean up future translation records. --[[User:Riselka|Riselka]] ([[User talk:Riselka|talk]]) 17:45, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: We are playing catch-up on these -- for a long time, we did not separate or record per translator - so since we started, it had been a never ending game of finding all of them. And the ones translated into English are the most problematic due to the volume - in most other languages, we are mostly done with adding the Translator template which required the messes to be untangled. There are corners of the DB like that - where you will find surprises you would think cannot happen. Jules Verne looks as good as he does because Doug spent months fixing the records. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:37, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Old cover image delete ==<br />
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Could someone please delete [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:MCKNGBRDPV0000.jpg the old image], Date/Time: - 11:47, 23 February 2014 - to prevent reverting. The new image is identical but larger. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:26, 19 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Done. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:20, 19 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks Annie! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:25, 19 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Invaders by Adelia Saunders ==<br />
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This concerns the cover art shown for Publication Record # 777558, Invaders by Vaughn Heppner<br />
The cover art shows the author to be Adelia Saunders. She did not write a book called Invaders. She did write one called Indelible.<br />
I went over to Brilliance Audio. This is just a generic cover they use. Its the same cover for Invader by C.J. Cherryh, Artemis Invaded by Jane Lindskoid and a number of others including The Spirit of Dorsai, By Gordon R. Dickson [[User:Aardvark7|aardvark7]] ([[User talk:Aardvark7|talk]]) 19:51, 19 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?777558 Updated], thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:20, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Derived prices in early Bantam Books ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?25 Bantam Books] was founded in 1945 and concentrated on publishing mass market paperbacks. As far as I can tell, early on they didn't display prices on the cover or on the spine. However, some (all?) of them, e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49073 ''The Unexpected''] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?216693 my verified ''''The Day He Died''], had ad pages in the back with one or more lists of books which you could buy by sending $0.25 plus $0.05 for postage to the publisher's address. I suppose it's likely that the list price was also $0.25, although it's not a guarantee.<br />
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Some online sources explicitly state that the list price was "$0.25", but I don't know where their data comes from. Some of our records also display "$0.25" in the price field, e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49073 ''The Unexpected''], which has the following note:<br />
* No price stated, but ad pages for current releases list $0.25 price.<br />
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Clearly, this situation requires an explanation in the Note field, but what would you enter in the price field? $0.25? Leave it blank? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:11, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Seems ok to me to use $0.25 and treat the ad as a secondary source. If we had a book with no printed price on it, found a review (or announcement) contemporaneous with its issuance, and that review stated a price, I think we would normally be happy to use that and cite the review as the source. The ad situation strikes me as equivalent. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 14:03, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: I agree. As long as there is a note explaining the sourcing of the price, this is not different from finding a price on a publisher site, a contemporary review or any other secondary source. If we ever find a better information that contradicts the price as derived via such a method for that specific book, the note can be adjusted and the price changed if needed. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:44, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Thanks to Ahasuerus for following up my discussion with him and getting this cleared up. Here's a list, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_verifier&O_2=contains&TERM_2=Latham&USE_3=pub_publisher&O_3=contains&TERM_3=Bantam&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication], of all Bantam books PV by Scott Latham; he entered prices for all of them and there's a note in the third book that he got the price from Tuck. EDIT: In the 4th book there's a note, "Price from ads in the back, listing other Bantam titles all for 25¢", so it seemed random whether there's no price note or where he got it from if he did leave a note. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:56, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I think this is fine. A note should be included stating where the price was from, but I have no problem sourcing prices that way. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:27, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) Thanks, folks. I have updated the publication record, deleted a duplicate pub and notified the affected verifier. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:11, 21 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Can we have some clarification please because I am confused by this discussion.<br />
:Ahasuerus' initial post implied to me that we are looking at a situation where an unpriced book contains a house ad listing other books for sale from the publisher. All these books are listed with an identical price but the list does NOT contain the title of the book in which it is printed. Call this scenario A.<br />
:However, MartyD and Annie's replies imply to me that they seem to think the list DOES contain the title of the book in which it is printed. Call this scenario B.<br />
:We need to consider these two scenarios separately.<br />
:Scenario A: I do not consider it appropriate to infer the price of a book from other contemporary books. The [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?11582 Ace 1st pb ed of Dune], published in 1967, is priced 95c. It's a fat book for its era. However, Ace pb's in that year were typically priced around 50c. So if, hypothetically, Ace books published in 1967 did not have a cover price then it would be erroneous to infer that Dune was 50c based on a house ad listing other contemporary books at 50c.<br />
:Scenario B: This is not contentious. Record the price in the Price field and add a mandatory pub note stating the source, ie the house ad. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:52, 21 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Sorry, I may not have been clear. The ads in the back of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?216693 my verified ''The Day He Died''] do include ''The Day He Died'' (with the correct catalog ID) in the list of books that you can get for $0.25, so it's "Scenario B" above.<br />
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:: Now that I am thinking about, there may be an additional twist. According to Jon Warren's "Official Price Guide: Paperbacks", some early Bantam paperbacks had 2 versions which shared the ''same'' catalog ID: a regular version and a version in a dust jacket. I don't recall seeing dust-jacketed versions, which are apparently highly prized among collectors. I don't know how they were priced and whether you could get them from the publisher for $0.25. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:36, 21 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Ah, all is good then. Thank you for the clarification. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:53, 22 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Canonical name out of date? ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?79169 G. Arthur Rahman] has about 15 titles under that canonical name, from the 70s and 80s, but he has over 30 under the name Glenn Rahman (and a few under other forms of the name). [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?976477 Here] is my entry of some new 2023 stories in addition to those on that author page. I'm holding off on making them variants to ask: Could his canonical name be changed from G. Arthur Rahman to Glenn Rahman to reflect the majority of bylines? -- [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 10:29, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Working on this. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:31, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Yes, I'd think so - provided someone sets out to do the transformation. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:32, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Done! You can see it [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?15307 here]. Let me know if I missed anything as this one was more complicated due to the number of pseudonyms. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:15, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Thanks, Nihonjoe! I'll put the new stories into their series and look over the older ones. -- [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 13:38, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Juliana Pinha --> Juliana Pinho ==<br />
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Hello, would it be possible to correct 'Pinha' to 'Pinho' in this entry for INTERZONE #295? Thank you.<br />
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190 • Notes From the Meeting of the First State Feder World Court: Walker Dairy, Freeville, NY, 198 Year One: Jessica Jane Pearson Vs. The Stranger Mr. Jacob Hampton • interior artwork by Juliana Pinha<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?977484<br />
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--[[User:Interzone|Interzone]] ([[User talk:Interzone|talk]]) 14:29, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: This depends on the way the artist is credited in the issue: we do document the spelling of a name, even if it is mistyped in a given magazine issue (and then do variant it to the canonical name, like in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3146115 this example]). <br />
: Anyway, since "Interzone" #295 is primary verified, it is etiquette to ask / inform the primary verifier. You can reach him [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:MagicUnk here]. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 16:05, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks for the info. It is 'Pinho' in the magazine (on the story cover page, and in the contents page). I'll move this to the primary verifier page, thanks.<br />
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:: --[[User:Interzone|Interzone]] ([[User talk:Interzone|talk]]) 16:55, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Star Bridge by James E. Gunn, Jack Williamson ==<br />
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Publication Record # 31949 states the artist is Ed Valigursky and that there was not any credit in the book. That the credit came from Jack Williamson's Seventy-Five: The Diamond Anniversary of a Science Fiction Pioneer. Heritage Auctions (fineart.ha.com/itm/paintings/gordon-pawelka-american-20th-century-star-bridge-paperback-cover-1963-oil-on-board-20-1-2-x-1/a/8000-71029.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515) has the artist as Gordon Pawelka. Was this a name used by Valigursky or do we have a conflict?? Hey Heritage could be wrong. It sold in 2020 for $3000 {{unsigned|Aardvark7}}<br />
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== RUSSWOTHE ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:RUSSWOTHE; I made a minor edit for a book PV by this person and noticed there's a stray message in the wrong place. Is it possible to move it to their discussion page? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:40, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Done, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:21, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Followup: Crowley and Aziraphale's New Year's resolutions ==<br />
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Hello. I did not receive a response to my [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Crowley_and_Aziraphale.27s_New_Year.27s_resolutions September 2023 question] about how to catalog a weirdly-published Good Omens short story. So I am repeating the question here, please. [[User:Morebooks|Morebooks]] ([[User talk:Morebooks|talk]]) 14:25, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
: Not eligible unless it was downloadable as an ebook - we allow only a limited set of online fiction and "a publisher site" is not amongst them. If it was downloadable as an ebook, it will be added as a chapbook. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:08, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Wrong tag for L. Sprague de Camp's ''The Hardwood Pile'' ==<br />
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Hello to all. The tag "science fiction" has been wrongly attributed to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?57951 this story], which is only a fantastic and humorous ghost story. Could a bureaucrat please remove it ? TIA, [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] ([[User talk:Linguist|talk]]) 04:31, 12 November 2023 (EST).<br />
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== Remove non-SF/fantasy/speculative fiction incorrectly attributed to an SF author ==<br />
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Hi.<br />
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I recently read and loved the story "In the Days After..." in Asimov's Science Fiction, November-December 2023 (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3238197). I was curious about this author who was new to me, with a story I really liked, so I checked ISFDB.<br />
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Most of his work is noted as 1981 and beyond, with a long gap (~28 years) from 1995 to 2023. The Asimov's blurb does note that Frank Ward (William Francis Ward) did take a long time off from writing for "life". https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?11458<br />
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There is a 1958 story listed under Frank Ward, "The Dark Corner". I was suspicious of this, as Frank Ward is listed with a 1950 birthdate.<br />
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I checked around. Galactic Central does show a substantial mystery body of work by a different Frank Ward, from the 1930s to the 1960s. http://www.philsp.com/homeville/cfi/n00786.htm#A5<br />
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I confirmed with the current Frank Ward via email that he did not write the mystery story "The Dark Corner", which does show up under the other Frank Ward at Galactic Central.<br />
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Given that "The Dark Corner" here is not by this Frank Ward (William Francis Ward), and that the other Frank Ward who wrote "The Dark Corner" appears to have written mysteries but not SF, fantasy or speculative fiction, I am assuming that I need to delete "The Dark Corner" story from ISFDB. I further assume this is done by the "Delete this title" button.<br />
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Please confirm, or let me know what is needed.<br />
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Thanks.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 13:09, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:There's an issue with one of Ward's titles, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?914168, the Fantasy Book Index, https://archive.org/search?query=%22the+pegasus+suit%22&sin=TXT&and%5B%5D=year%3A%221983%22, says "Pegasus", there's a contents page scan on AbeBooks, https://www.abebooks.com/first-edition/Fantasy-Book-February-1982-Third-Issue/30051987897/bd, which probably says the same although it's blurry, only way to be sure is looking at the story's title page which would require a copy of the zine, you may want to ask him if he owns it so he can check. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:38, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::I'm not quite clear what the issue is. When I looked at any of the 3 copies of the "An Index to Fantasy Book, Volume 1", at Internet Archive, they all note "The Pegasus Suit". Thanks for the clarification.<br />
::[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 13:57, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Thanks for checking with the author! I have disambiguated the author name -- see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?370798 the result here] -- and updated the title record.<br />
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::: As to whether we want to remove [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2550138 "The Dark Corner"] from the database, it depends on a couple of different factors. The story appeared in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?569570 anthology ''Bodies and Souls'']. Its dust jacket says "Fourteen Tales of Worldly and Other-Worldly Murder, Mayhem and Mystery", which suggests that it collects both SF and non-SF stories. We currently list one of the stories, "Too Many Coincidences", as "non-genre" while the rest are listed as SF. It's entirely possible that some of them are non-genre; we just don't know one way or the other. Once we know more about these stories, we can decide what to do with the anthology. Since it apparently contains at least some SF stories, we will want to keep the publication record, but if the overwhelming majority of the stories are non-genre, we may end up removing them and documenting them in Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:27, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::My thanks for handling this. I appreciate and concur with the thinking, and I'll try to retain that for the future. Mr. Ward is pleased this has been revised.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 12:10, 15 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: ISFDB says "Pegusus" which is obviously a misspelling of "Pegasus" but a look at the header on the story's title page is what's needed because it's entirely possible, as so often in zines, that titles differ from what's on the contents page. Searching for "Pegusus Suit" online finds only ISFDB and a couple of booksellers that obviously copied their info directly from ISFDB so it's likely just a simple mistake by whoever entered the contents here. You said you spoke to him via email so maybe you can ask him if he owns that issue of Fantasy Book to check and if it's wrong it will be fixed to "Pegasus". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:05, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::I have reached out to Frank Ward on this question. I'll circle back when I know, and then correct the title if needed. Thanks.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 12:10, 15 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::: I have confirmed with Frank Ward by check of his copy of the 1982 Fantasy Book that "Pegasus" is the correct spelling. He thanks us for making the correction. I will submit that now. [[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 19:09, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::: Bodies and Souls is linked at Archive.org in the notes section of its record here so the story can be read to determine if it's genre or not as can the other contents; also, it's much longer than the others in the book and should probably be given novelette length. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:09, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::::I checked at Galactic Central. They believe this story ("The Dark Corner") is a novella. I will make that change.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 12:10, 15 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::::: Approved, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:13, 16 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Muster of Ghosts II==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Special:Upload?wpDestFile=MSTRFGHSTS1924.jpg&wpUploadDescription=%7B%7BCID1%0A%7CTitle%3DA%20Muster%20of%20Ghosts%0A%7CEdition%3DCecil%20Palmer%201924%20hc%0A%7CPub%3DMSTRFGHSTS1924%0A%7CPublisher%3DCecil%20Palmer%0A%7CArtist%3DUnknown%0A%7CSource%3DScanned%20by%20%5B%5BUser%3AUsername%5D%5D%7D%7D]; I was going to upload SFE image but it seemed familiar and it turned out I'd done it already but the image didn't go to the right place; also this old edit, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5740959, has been sitting there for months because without an image the signature couldn't be seen. So can someone get the image fixed and approve the cover artist edit? EDIT: After I entered this message it didn't go to the right place because I'd already written about it, with the same message title, long ago but nobody ever answered; it's up above. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:56, 15 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:The image has been added to the pub & your edit approved. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:06, 22 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== MP3 CD price on Amazon note ==<br />
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Just a heads-up that Amazon is now typically showing the as new price for MP3 CDs whose publisher is "Audible Studios on Brilliance Audio" as $10.02. The list price for these CDs as reported on brilliancepublishing.com is almost always $9.99. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:23, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Amazon ==<br />
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I've noticed that Amazon.com is used frequently to verify a publication date. I just wanted to point out that it's an unreliable source, because any time they don't know the exact date, they use the first of the month.<br />
For example, the publication date of this book: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?535016 is listed as 2008-11-01, but the data is from Amazon, so I don't know if that's the accurate date, or they just used the first of the month because they didn't know any better. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Clauditorium|Clauditorium]] ([[User talk:Clauditorium|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Clauditorium|contribs]]) .</small><br />
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: The quality of Amazon's records varies a great deal. It's not always clear why the bad data is the way it is, but we can make educated guesses, at least in certain cases. For example, Amazon occasionally -- I would say around 5-10% of the time -- lists unrealistically low (14-32) page counts for English e-book editions of Japanese "light novels". It seems to be related to the fact that some light novels have short (4-20 pages) manga sections at the beginning of the book. We don't know why it affects Amazon's page counts, but it's something that editors have to keep in mind when entering light novel records using Amazon's data.<br />
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: Re: dates, it depends on how old the record is, where the book was originally published and the publisher. For older books, some records have no day/month information, some add arbitrary "-01" or "-01-01" to the end of the month or year, and some have surprisingly accurate dates even for books published in the 1960s/1970s. Our best guess is that "surprisingly accurate dates" come from publishers' catalogs that Amazon has/had access to.<br />
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: Amazon.com's records for books published in other countries frequently list the "US availability" date as the publication date. There can be a big gap between these two types of dates for books originally published in the UK and especially in Australia/New Zealand, which is why Amazon's dates for these types of books are often wrong.<br />
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: Also, a note on the terminology. We use Amazon stores -- Amazon.com, Amazon UK, Amazon DE, etc -- as ''sources'' of our data, but we don's use it for ''verification''. We have a number of recognized "secondary verification" sources which you can see if you display a publication record and click on "Verify This Pub" link under "Editing Tools", then scroll down to "Secondary Verifications". Like everything else in this world, these verification sources are not perfect, but their data is, on average, better than Amazon's.<br />
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: Ultimately, the ISFDB data is only as good as our sources. Even primary verified data can be imperfect due to data entry errors and misunderstandings. That's why it's so important to document exactly where our data comes from. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:23, 20 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== US Copyright Office website ==<br />
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Do you guys ever use the US Copyright Office website? I would think that would be the most reliable source. It often has publication dates down to the day, whereas other sources only have them down to the month.<br />
https://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?DB=local&PAGE=First {{unsigned|Clauditorium}}<br />
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: We use a variety of secondary sources to determine publication dates as discussed in [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Date-SecondarySources this Help section]. The Copyright Catalog can be (and have been) used as a secondary source of information as long as we keep in mind that their "Date of Publication" values and "Registration date" values are often different, so we need to make sure to use their "Date of Publication" values.<br />
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: Another thing to keep in mind is what [[Help:Screen:NewPub]] calls "Discrepancies Between Stated Date and Reality":<br />
:* Publication date does not always perfectly match the calendar date. For example, a January issue of a magazine is usually available in December of the previous year, and often earlier than that. Books with a January publication date may often be bought in the closing weeks of the prior year; they will show the later year's copyright date, even though that year has not yet started. In these cases, the convention is to use the official publication date rather than to try to identify when a book actually first became available. If there is a large discrepancy -- for example if a book was printed but unexpectedly delayed before release -- then this can be noted in the notes field.<br />
: [https://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?v1=26&ti=1,26&SEQ=20231120164838&Search%5FArg=crichton%20michael&Search%5FCode=NALL&CNT=25&PID=hderjMf9JaGhuG3tox2UMY1nLcK_&SID=1 This Copyright Catalog record for the first edition of ''Disclosure'', a non-genre novel] by {{A|Michael Crichton}}, is a good example. The "Date of Publication" value is "1993-12-20", but the publication date stated in the physical book is "January 1994". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:02, 20 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: When it comes to magazines, I'm aware of the disconnect between publication date listed on the copyright site and the date printed on the magazine cover. {{unsigned|Clauditorium}}<br />
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::: Back when mass market paperbacks took off in the United States, their publishers piggybacked on pre-existing distribution channels and inherited some of the peculiarities of the magazine distribution system. They also had to deal with numerous technical limitations of the printing business as it existed ca. 1950. For example, you could order a paperback with 96 pages or a paperback with 128 pages, but anything in between wasn't viable because of the way mass market paperbacks paperbacks were produced. Sometimes authors and/or editors were able to cut or pad stories to make everything work seamlessly. Other times typesetters had to add empty pages or use other tricks to pad the page count.<br />
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::: We see similar issues surface even in 2023. Amazon's page count values are often off because publishers create pre-publication records based on estimates. When books are produced, the actual page count is usually different. Not all Amazon records are updated post-publication, so we always take what's there with a grain of salt. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:10, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: As for novels, I've noticed that in several cases, the date listed by isfdb.org is missing the day, but the copyright site will have this info. For example, Misery by Stephen King is listed here as being published on 1987-06-00; on the copyright site, the publication date is indicated as 1987-06-08 (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1513). If I come across such occurrences, should I make a correction, crediting the copyright site? {{unsigned|Clauditorium}}<br />
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::: Sorry, I didn't quote the most applicable part of [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Date]] earlier. Here is the relevant section:<br />
:::* The base date optionally may be made more precise (e.g., supplying the month or day of publication) using information from a secondary source, if that source's date is otherwise consistent with publication's stated date. The source, and which details of the date were obtained from that source, must be recorded in the publication notes. See Secondary Sources of Dates.<br />
::: So the answer is yes, editors can make the date more precise as long as it is "otherwise consistent with publication's stated date" and the source is documented in Notes. If there is a discrepancy -- as in the case of {{A|Michael Crichton}}'s ''Disclosure'' (see above) which was offered for sale in late December 1993 but the printed publication date says "January 1994" -- then we use the printed date and optionally document what secondary sources like the Copyright Office or Amazon say. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:24, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Captured By the Engines ==<br />
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Can someone approve my submission 5819033? Because I need to add month to merged art. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:55, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Approved. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:18, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== "Pending submissions which will change my primary verified publications" on the New Submissions page ==<br />
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A new table, "Pending submissions which will change my primary verified publications", has been added to the New Submissions page. It will appear at the top of the page if any pending submissions affect the logged-in moderator's primary verifications. If you run into any issues, please report them here. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:27, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Can Ellen Be Saved ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291669; I just uploaded new cover but it didn't go to the same Wiki page and replace old cover, it just created a new page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:48, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:I added the new one to the pub and deleted the old one after verifying it was not used in any other pubs. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:02, 26 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== One New Message ==<br />
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"The following Contents titles have dates after the proposed publication date"; I got this message after submitting an edit for Tor ed. of G. Masterton's Mirror because month was April, not May, and cover art needed fixing in another edit. Is this new? I don't remember seeing that before. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:35, 26 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: This warning was [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#New_yellow_warning_when_a_changed_Publication_date_is_before_one_of_the_Title_dates implemented on July 31] as per {{FR|1569}}, "Add a warning when a changed pub date is before one of the title dates". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:08, 26 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Server issue? ==<br />
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Is there a server problem? I'm getting a 500 Internal Server Error message when trying to submit a Clone Publication. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 09:26, 28 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Nevermind. I opened a new Clone the Pub tab and was able to submit the request successfully. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 10:10, 28 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Log In ==<br />
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Why am I not logged in? Is there some new problem now? I see Username when I'm on the Wiki pages but the front page says "You are not logged in". EDIT: I got tired of waiting so I entered "Username" and "password" and that worked but a message popped up saying password was used in a data breach on Google or something like that. I don't know what's going on. Maybe someone can tell me if anyone else got that message or got logged out for no reason. I sincerely hope all of my info and edits and everything else that was there before I re-logged in is still exactly the same and nothing was changed/lost. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:45, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Old Edits ==<br />
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I'm trying to get my edits that have been sitting for months approved. I'll start with this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5747517, which is just a simple change from a dead Google Drive link to one that works. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:46, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Approved by Nihonjoe. Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:48, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5747546; Just a simple cover image, Rudam said long ago in the thread "Rejected?" on his board that there's no need to ask about covers except for a couple of specific publishers. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:50, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::Approved by Nihonjoe. Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:48, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5749772; Just an archived link and an obvious format fix. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:54, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::::Changing the format is a major change and should not be approved unless the active verifiers have agreed. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:43, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5750346; Just an archived link and an obvious fix of LCCN in the note. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:08, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::The active verifier has asked that he be contacted through the email system about changes. No indication in the edit that this was done, or what the response was. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:43, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5750954; Just a simple LCCN ID and cleanup of several misspellings in the note. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:12, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::Moderator note only states "cleaned up sloppy note" without specifying what was changed. Best to notify the verifier. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:43, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5757566; Just a simple note about the cover; it's on this page, https://vaultofevil.proboards.com/thread/3786/fred-pickersgill-graves-give. Can someone approve this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:27, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::::This one is more of a judgement call. Personally I think it's too much information that is not germane to the publication. What does the soundtrack artist have to do with the book? I could have lived with something along the lines of "Cover is from the filmed version of 'The Female of the Species'". However, other moderators may differ. At a minimum, if we're going to go into this much detail, it should probably go below a <nowiki>{{BREAK}}</nowiki> tag. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:43, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::::Approved by JLaTondre. Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:33, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Popular Science ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5824080; I did add the archived link and the cover image but I didn't touch those reg. title art and story things so does anyone know why it says I did? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:30, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
: It is a kinda known issue with the software when titles contains special characters, especially older titles added before some of the latest changes in handling these from the last years (in this case it is the <nowiki><</nowiki> that is throwing the fit. Because of that, the comparison for changes detects a change - even if there is none). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:56, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Title change with no PVs ==<br />
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I was getting ready to add the audiobook and CD editions to Steven Erikson's novel [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2424072 Rejoice] but noticed that the correct title name should be <i>Rejoice, a Knife to the Heart</i> instead of just <i>Rejoice</i>. I looked at WorldCat, Amazon, Barnes and Noble, SFE, and Wikipedia, and in all cases except SFE, that is shown as the correct title. Would there be any objection to me changing the title to <i>Rejoice, a Knife to the Heart</i>? None of the publications have a PV. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 09:17, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:The publisher also refers to it as 'Rejoice, A Knife to the Heart', [https://www.promontorypress.com/books/rejoice-a-knife-to-the-heart/ here]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:49, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== SF Adventures Yearbook ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5827099; I can never remember which changes to names affect what, so if someone can approve this assuming artist change won't mess anything up with info on his page or whatever. Also, both PV are long-gone so someone may want to check and see if there are any little details that I missed which need correcting. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:27, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Looks good, submission approved. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:01, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Liam Hogan versus Laim Hogan ==<br />
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Hi.<br />
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In working to add the story "Ana" by Liam Hogan in "The Best of British Science Fiction 2016", I need to add it's first publication in Scientific American, as noted in the "Best of British Science Fiction" copyright page and else on the internet at Scientific American.<br />
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I checked the author's name. There is no "Liam Hogan" currently in ISFDB, but there is a "Laim Hogan", the author of the 2019 short fiction "XX". "XX" is listed as published in "Best Indie Speculative Fiction: Volume Two, November 2019". Upon looking at that "Best Indie..." on Amazon, the preview shows "Liam Hogan" on both the cover and table of contents.<br />
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Upon checking further, the website https://happyendingnotguaranteed.blogspot.com/p/2014.html for Liam Hogan notes both "XX" and "Ana" as his stories.<br />
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Therefore, I would appreciate it if a moderator could correct this author's name in ISFDB to "Liam" Hogan. Once that is done, I'll add "Ana" in the Scientific American webzine.<br />
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Thanks. [[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]]) 19:46, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
: We do have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?180891 Liam Hogan] so I cannot rename [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?336607 Laim Hogan]. Same guy I think? If so, the fastest solution is to just fix the author on the stray story. If not, I will be happy to differentiate them. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:52, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Fixed. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:47, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Thanks for fixing the author entry. Looks correct now. I'll go ahead and add the first publication for "Ana" now. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Dave888|Dave888]] ([[User talk:Dave888|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dave888|contribs]]) .</small> 14:03, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== A SHORTFICTION title incorporated into the body of a NONFICTION title ==<br />
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I am holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5823707 this submission], which would import {{A|Howard Koch}}'s SHORTFICTION title [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?982024 The Invasion from Mars: A Radio Adaptation] into the 2009 NONFICTION book [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?765971 Waging The War of the Worlds: A History of the 1938 Radio Broadcast and Resulting Panic, Including the Original Script]. As the title of the NONFICTION book states, the text includes Koch's script, so normally it would make sense to approve the submission. However, the Notes field explains that:<br />
* Howard Koch's radio script is incorporated into the body of the book's main text, rather than being a separate essay.<br />
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Would you say that it makes sense to list the SHORTFICTION title as a Contents items in this pub? Or is it better presented as a part of the NONFICTION title? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:44, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: My five cents: I'd say it makes sense if the piece is incorporated as a whole and without interruptions (of explaining notes). In the latter case the piece may only serve as a means to comment on Koch's unique handling (or something similar). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:25, 8 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::If it's contained in its entirety and its content appears in proper order (whether or not contiguously), I am inclined to allow it. Technically, the work is published in the book. If it's not contiguous, the situation strikes me as similar to publications of "braided" stories. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 15:49, 8 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Thanks, folks. I have approved the submission, notified the inactive primary verifier and updated Notes to clarify the situation. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:32, 9 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Entries disappeared ==<br />
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At least four of my entries from the last few weeks have disappeared from the database. I looked for the new publication series page, Gruselkabinett, as I was going to add more, and it and the four books I entered in it are gone. They're audio books: <i>Der Bluthund</i> by H.P. Lovecraft, <i>Die Weiden</i> and <i>Das unbewohnte Haus</i> by Algernon Blackwood, and <i>Die Toten sind unersättlich</i> by Leopold Sacher-Masoch. Even a new author entry they generated has vanished, the artist on two of the titles, Johannes Belach. I have no idea if more of my entries have disappeared. -- [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 12:24, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Checking submission history (a moderator-only menu option), I see the following:<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?981382 Publication ID 981382, ''Der Bluthund''], created on 2023-12-02 16:30:43. Deleted by Stonecreek on 2023-12-06 12:08:08. Reason for deletion: audio play<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?981093 Publication ID 981093, ''Die Weiden''], created on 2023-11-30 18:58:05. Deleted by Stonecreek on 2023-12-06 12:07:37. Reason for deletion: audio play<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?981433 Publication ID 981433, ''Das unbewohnte Haus''], created on 2023-12-02 20:36:31. Deleted by Stonecreek on 2023-12-06 12:07:13. Reason for deletion: audio play<br />
:* I can't find an audio book version of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3248968 Die Toten sind unersättlich] using moderator tools. I could presumably do it using programmer tools, but it would take time.<br />
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: I assume that Stonecreek deleted the 3 pubs listed above as per [[ISFDB:Policy]], which says:<br />
:* '''Included''': audio books, i.e. readings, but not dramatizations<br />
: I'll ask Stonecreek to join this discussion. We'll need to make sure that we are all on the same page or else we'll be stuck in an endless cycle of some editors adding certain books and other editors deleting them. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:01, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Yes, I deleted them on the basis of the rule that dramatizations are not to be included. I stumbled over the entry for "Die Weiden" upon reading a review at 'phantastiknews.de' of the play, and found that the other entries for publications fell into the same category. (A good rule of thumbs for a first check is if there are more than one speakers for a piece, it is most likely that it is a dramatization). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:53, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Thanks for the explanation. In the future, when you come across publication records for ineligible works (like dramatizations), please use Edit History to identify the original submitter(s) and discuss the issue with them first. That way they will be made aware of what is and is not eligible for inclusion and won't make the same type of mistake in the future. Without an explanation, they'll be either confused and frustrated when the data that they previously submitted disappears or they will continue adding ineligible records. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:39, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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I should leave it at that, since Ahasuerus was a lot more measured than I could be right now over the situation. -- Martin [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 15:53, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: In the past, we didn't have Edit History, so it was hard to tell who did what when. Now that it's been available for [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Development/Archive/2021 almost three years], it should be the default tool used to figure out why something appears to be off and whether a discussion is warranted.<br />
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: That said, old habits die hard. I still occasionally catch myself making a change, then realizing that I should have checked Edit History first. Hopefully, things will improve going forward. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:03, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: My name was right there in the WorldCat verification on all four of those entries. [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 21:34, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: My apologies: I stiil have to adapt to making a direct notification: as with this case I came upon this while doing research for another author at the news site, and carried on with this other task after that to get it done in that specific setting. <br />
::: And I didn't recall that the note left in the moderator's field wouldn't be easy to find. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:42, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::: (I'd love to add some really good audio plays to the database, but they ''are'' excluded, just like the ones you had added). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:54, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Series Parent Position and Series Num fields ==<br />
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"Series Num" can have numbering that are not integers (e.g., 2.1, 2.2, etc.), but apparently the "Series Parent Position" field when editing series can only be integers. Can we change the field to allow non-integer numbering? This would allow subseries to be placed in the correct location with a larger series. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 21:40, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: This functionality was requested in {{FR|1403}}, "Allow decimal numbers as Series Parent Position values". Unfortunately, it is much harder to implement than it looks. The way the "Series Number" field works for title records is rather involved; back when I implemented it, it took me weeks to get everything updated and debugged. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:41, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Sounds good. I'm glad it's on the list. Thanks for all your work on the backend of things. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:26, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bibliographic information for Strange Tales ==<br />
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For the UK magazine Strange Tales edited by Walter Gillings I believe that the noted second printing of the first issue is just a variant cover. https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?618191<br />
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In George Locke's Spectrum of Fantasy, volume 1, page 3 he states as such. His examination of the two copies he had was that they were identical with the exception of two different covers. I would find it hard to believe that an attempt of a new publication which was dodging the fact it was a magazine would go into two printings, as there were still paper shortages after the War. The price on both covers is the same, one shilling net on one cover 1/- on the other. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Jwkbooks|Jwkbooks]] ([[User talk:Jwkbooks|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jwkbooks|contribs]]) .</small> 17:12, 21 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Long time for approval? ==<br />
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Is it unusual if my relatively minor edits take two weeks or more to be approved? Thanks. [[User:Sfmvnterry|Sfmvnterry]] ([[User talk:Sfmvnterry|talk]]) 22:38, 25 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Typically, it wouldn't take that long, but unfortunately, the "New Submissions" queue has been very long recently. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:51, 26 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks. [[User:Sfmvnterry|Sfmvnterry]] ([[User talk:Sfmvnterry|talk]]) 00:17, 28 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Missing Clone ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5832571; What happened to the clone? It's not there. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:42, 29 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:The submission failed because one of the titles in the cloned publication, 2439970 (Intelligence and Luck), is no longer present. It appears that the title was merged in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5816680 this edit] which was submitted on November 21st and approved on December 12. I'm guessing that your clone submission was submitted within that time frame. When the merge was done, the other title record was the one that was kept, and 2439970 was deleted. You should be able to re-clone the container title and pick up the current contents including the merged title of that story. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:11, 29 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Cover art weirdness ==<br />
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So browsing (as you do). I came across [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1379001 this] cover art entry which seems, to my eye at least, an identical piece to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?139158 this one]. Any comments ?--[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 06:40, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:To my eye, these look identical. We would have to research the Maria Carella credit for the French ones. Likely Herve put on one and then carried that over into the other by cloning. The Tim Jacobus credit on the ''Doomsday Book'' covers seems clear (from copyright statement on hardcover's jacket flap). My first guess would be a misinterpretation of some sort of general artist credit on ''Le grand livre'' as referring to the cover instead of to interior artwork. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 09:42, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: (after edit conflict) These are definitely based on the same cover art. The question then is whether the cover artist was really credited as "Maria Carella" in this J'ai Lu edition or whether it's a data entry error in our database. Checking Google, I see that J'ai Lu has used at least two other covers -- https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQjbJRjGrF4EtBXromnm4E-mn-bwNjmriUiD9y_zEqCWxOsPAdQkITLtQ-6VzOAKbgq3b4&usqp=CAU and m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61mHPaZVmdL._AC_UF894,1000_QL80_.jpg -- and it's possible that one of them was done by Maria Carella. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:49, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::I did more research and found some pictures. In the original Bantam edition, the copyright page has "Book design by Maria Carella" (see [https://postmarkedfromthestars.com/cdn/shop/products/image_37245aad-355d-4ecf-981b-2939ddd31921_grande.jpg?v=1647718644 here]) and the rear flap says "Cover illustration &copy; 1992 by Tim Jacobus" (see [https://postmarkedfromthestars.com/cdn/shop/products/image_7be69af1-7c70-4430-86da-f306440e8119_grande.jpg?v=1647718644 here]). So I think the book design credit got conflated with cover artistry, either by J'ai Lu or someone else (if Herve did not have the books, his source might have been NooSFere, which credits the cover to Carella). Unless anyone disagrees, I will change the credit on the French ones and document the discrepancy with French secondary sources and probable source of the confusion. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:05, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: Nice! I also wonder if {{A|Maria Carella}} was the cover artist or the cover designer for the first (1988) edition of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?354512 Science Fiction: The Science Fiction Research Association Anthology]. Our source is [http://www.locusmag.com/index/t203.htm#A12107 the Locus Index], which simply says "cover by Maria Carella". <del>For what it's worth, the Internet Archive has the [https://archive.org/details/visionsofwonders0000unse/page/n5/mode/2up 1996 edition, which has a different cover, on file] and its copyright page says "Design by Lynn Newark"</del> -- '''never mind, it turns out that "Science Fiction: The Science Fiction Research Association Anthology" (1988) and "Visions of Wonder: the Science Fiction Research Association Anthology" (1996) are completely different'''. Even if we keep Maria Carella as the cover artist, we will want to change her working language from French to English. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:41, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/note_search_results.cgi?OPERATOR=contains&NOTE_VALUE=maria+carella; She's mentioned in 16 notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:19, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::: I made these adjustments: Maria Carella language to English. ''Le grand livre'' cover credit to Jacobus (+ variant to ''Doomsday Book'' cover). Added note to French cover and to the first of the French pubs about secondary sources crediting Carella but her being credited as book designer (and Jacobus as cover illustrator) in original Bantam edition. Added note to Bantam hc about the book design credit. I found some pictures of portions of the interior of that anthology, but they did not include the copyright or credits pages, so I couldn't conclude anything about that. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:28, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::::: Data entered exactly as on books [https://isfdb.org/wiki/images/7/74/Grand_livre.jpg 1994 on top, 1995 below, "illustration" having the same meaning in both langages, "de" meaning "by"].[[User:Hauck|Hauck]] ([[User talk:Hauck|talk]]) 05:26, 31 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::::: Well, that is quite clear, too, then. Then I guess we should have a "Maria Carella (in error)" as an alternate name then, with the above explanation, and the cover art with that credit as the variant. And no direct credit to Jacobus in the J'ai Lu editions. Does that sound correct to everyone? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:28, 31 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::::::Sounds good to me. I have the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10617 Bantam 1st ed hc] and have checked it against the above discussion and concur. The book also states "Jacket design by Jamie S. Warren Youll" on rear flap which reinforces the statement that Maria Carella was only involved in the book design, not the cover. I have PVd the pub record and submitted [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5847617 this edit] to add extra info and change the source of all the data to the actual book. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:34, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::::::::Happy New Year, everyone. I have made the further adjustments I proposed above, and I accepted the changes to the Bantam edition. Please correct -- or let me know about -- anything that still is not as it should be. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:08, 3 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== New translations of Ursula K. Le Guin's Left Hand of Darkness ==<br />
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A few days ago I posted 2 records for a 1981 and a 2002 edition of ''Pimeduse ahem käsi''. the Estonian translation of ''The Left Hand of Darkness'', and 2 images for their respective book covers. I realize it's the holiday season and that there's a backlog... I have a Bulgarian translation as well and I'd like to upload that, though I worry that I'm not doing it right. Also if there are any editors or moderators here with a particular interest in Le Guin I'd like to make your acquaintance. Cheers, [[User:Evertype|Evertype]] ([[User talk:Evertype|talk]]) 14:45, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Hello and a happy new year, Evertype! I do think that I do fall into the category, as Le Guin is in the top three of my favourite authors. I have to admit that most of the copies I own contain German translations (and [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Hitspacebar Jens]' German collection seems to be even more complete, but nowadays he isn't so often around). I know there are lots of translations of her work missing (with Dutch, French & German seemingly well-covered). If you have any questions that you think I might be able to help in, just ping me on my talk page. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 08:16, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== External ID: PPN ==<br />
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It seems that the Dutch National Library has changed its www address. [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:ExternalIDs Here] it is "picarta.pica.nl/DB=3.9/" but doesn't work any more. The new one seems to be "picarta.oclc.org/psi/xslt/DB=3.9". Please have a look on that. Thank You. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 13:35, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Thanks, I'll take a look. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:58, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: It should be fixed now. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:42, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: The "PPN" template has been updated as well. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:48, 28 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Charles Williams ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5873365; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5873368; Can I get these 2 edits approved? I was going to add the other book by the author mentioned in the F&SF essay but online photo says Charles Williams on title page; checking further revealed that it's the same for Rolling Pin. There's already a famous novelist of that name and an artist on ISFDB so what do you think this guy should be known as, maybe (I)? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:37, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Pages of deceased users ==<br />
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Would it be helpful or useful to block the user pages and talk pages of deceased users, so no edits or submissions can be made any more? Ahasuerus told me these pages viewed as something like memorials, so they should be left untouched. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 14:40, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Generally, we put the [[:Template:Deceased user|Deceased user]] template at the top of their pages so people know not to post comments or questions there. So far, I haven't seen a huge problem with simply leaving them as they are. If problems do occur, we can always lock the pages so only admins can edit them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:49, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Locking the Talk pages will cause confusion to newer editors who are directed to post on the PV's pages and if the first few they hit are ones of the ones we had lost - asking them to post there while they cannot will either make them never post anywhere or just get frustrated. Plus the pages that we want to preserve are the User pages, not the Talk pages. I'd argue that User pages should be locked for Admin and the user they belong to at all times but that will make life harder and we do not have too many issues so I never raised that up as a proposal. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:41, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::I was only suggesting locking the pages if we ran into problems where someone was editing them maliciously and we needed a way to stop it. Pages can be locked from editing for a brief period of time, too, which is generally the only kind of locking that's needed. Only in extreme cases would a page need to be locked for more than a week or so. I do like the idea of locking the user page of deceased editors, though. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:13, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::: We are in agreement -- I was just mentioning that locking the Talk pages is going to cause other possible issues downstream (unlike User pages which can be safely locked without side effects). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:18, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::Sounds good. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:07, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Add link at the bottom of "Author Merge Update" ==<br />
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After two or more authors are merged, can we please add a link to the resulting record on the confirmation page (post approval). Now you need to either keep a record open or look for it again once the merge completes. (the script in question is cgi-bin/mod/aa_merge.cgi). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:29, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: {{FR|1591}} has been created and implemented. Thanks for reporting the issue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:22, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Now, that's quick fix - less than an hour between reporting and getting it live on the server ;) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:24, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Lost Safari ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?648417; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5884004; PV used wrong cover so I uploaded right one from recent archived copy but they also added wrong uploaded wraparound image in the notes. Can someone approve my edit and then move the note over to the other edition? The record number doesn't make a difference to where the image points, I assume. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:41, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
: The note has been moved to the correct publication. Is the interior art the same for both publications? If so, merge the two tile records. If not, we need a note on each and a do not merge warning. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:33, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Shattered Lens ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5892580; After checking further it turns out the correct title I fixed "Tears" to was used for the story's reprint in a magazine a few years later. After approval will the titles merge on their own or will it need to be done manually? If manual, can someone approve this so I can merge before I forget? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:04, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Approved. You need to merge them. Submit and I'll approve. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:13, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Merged. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:16, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::All done. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:19, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Roman Numerals ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Username#The_Year.27s_Best_Horror_Stories:_XIX; It won't make much difference to my PV because I only have about 50 but I can foresee trouble with others if he starts adding Roman where they don't belong. This is a common problem with other editors, too, where they add Roman even though the numbering goes straight from Roman to non-Roman. A LOT of DAW Books, for example, have unnecessary numbers entered. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:38, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:From the help, bullet point 2 under [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages Pages]:<br />
:* "When a book has a section with Roman numeral page numbers for introductory material, followed by Arabic numerals for the main text of the book, enter both sets of numbers. For example, a book with a page count field of "viii+320" has "viii" as the highest numbered page with a Roman numeral. (Note that there are no spaces in the page count.) Pages without numbers that fall between the two types of page numbering can be ignored. Note that you should include the enumeration of the pages in Roman numerals even if there is no material that requires a separate content record (such as an introduction or preface) in those pages. This is in contrast with the situation with unnumbered pages prior to page 1; see the following bullet point for what to do in that case."<br />
:[https://www.ebay.com/itm/296164887458 This ebay.com listing] shows Roman numerals as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5897763 this submission] suggests. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:06, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::If I understand that correctly then I disagree and you can find many instances on the boards here where mods tell editors to enter Roman only if the book doesn't continue the numbering straight into the Arabic. That's the way I enter Roman (except possibly for my early edits where I wasn't sure what I was doing) and so do many others. This has led to a lot of confusion. For example, this record's notes, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?629077, mention this situation and only Arabic were entered while the notes here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?979406, are similar but both Roman and Arabic were entered. I'm sure there are countless other examples. So nobody seems sure what the right way to do it is but if one has really been decided on then that would entail fixing thousands and thousands of records where they were entered the other way. That would be a huge task. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:23, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::For my own understanding's sake: The situation being discussed here is a contiguous set of pages, ending on Arabic-numeral'ed '''''366''''', but where the first fourteen pages are Roman-numeral'ed '''''i - xiv''''' and the remaining three hundred fifty-two are Arabic-numeral'ed '''''15 - 366'''''? If that is the case, I don't think the help covers this scenario. While the second bullet does seem to call for entering the highest Roman numeral plus the highest Arabic numeral, the third bullet also talks about counting backwards from the first "numbered page to see which is page 1". That would technically mean page i is also page 1, and there is no introductory material before page 1. The second bullet seems to assume the numbering of the pages for introductory material does not overlap the numbering of the pages for the main text, which is not the case here. Recording xiv+366 would record the numbering accurately but would completely distort the page count, which is that the Pages field is all about. I would record this as Pages = 366 with a note that the main text starts on p. 15 and the pages prior to that are numbered i - xiv, just as I would record it with Pages = 366 and a note that the text starts on numbered p. 15 if there were no numbered pages before it with any relevant content. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 14:32, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::Ah. Pages. My favourite subject. :-)<br />
::::I agree that the Help Notes do not cover this scenario adequately. I doubt the scenario was considered when the Notes were written. Consequently, past editors have just done what they think best at the time. As Username correctly states, no matter what we decide here, there is a legacy problem of all the existing inconsistent records which will be almost impossible to reconcile. I also agree that an explanatory pub note in this situation should be mandatory.<br />
::::However, that is where my "agreements" end. In this example, Pages should be recorded as xiv+366. Under the [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages Help for Pages], the bullet point starting "When a book has a section with Roman numeral page numbers" unambiguously states that both Roman and Arabic Numerals should be entered. The following bullet point, starting "Sometimes a publication will have unnumbered pages before page 1" is not applicable to this scenario because there are no unnumbered pages before page 1.<br />
::::Although xiv+366 does distort the page count, this argument does not hold water because it is existing ISFDb policy that we do distort the page count. See this [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_determine_the_value_for_the_%22Pages%22_field_in_a_book#Some_examples_about_page_count_accuracy How To] under the bullet point starting "Approximation:"<br />
::::Another feature I like about using xiv+366 occurs in the situation where there is recordable content in the Roman Numeral pages. Suppose there is a map on page vi. Then vi would be entered as the start page of the map in the Contents section. It would look really illogical and inconsistent if the Pages field for the publication merely contained 366. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:08, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Pandemic ==<br />
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Since the CDC officially ended its Covid-19 declaration in May of 2023 the note on our front page about forthcoming books possibly being delayed by the pandemic should be removed. Any delays now are due to other reasons. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:03, 29 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Hound Dog ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5909601; Can someone approve this if they agree all my additions/changes are correct? Whoever entered author info spelled legal first name wrong so it needs fixing and I'm not sure if the info will be there with the name change per book's title page or if a mod has to do it from the author's record or something or other. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:03, 7 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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:Done. I moved the info from the old author record to the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?376213 new record], correcting that spelling error. I also fixed the review to refer to the M.-less name, so the old record went away due to no further references. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:48, 7 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== George W. Barlow ==<br />
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Bonjour, je vous contacte pour l'article concernant mon père George W. Barlow<br />
Il y a quelques corrections et compléments qu'il voudrait apporter :<br />
Concernant sa biographie :<br />
il est né à Le Havre en Seine Maritime et non à Grenoble (où il vit)<br />
il a fréquenté l'Ecole Normale Supérieure de la rue d'Ulm et en est sorti Agrégé d'Anglais <br />
Vous trouverez ces données biographique en quatrième de couverture dans l'ouvrage que vous citez :<br />
La Science-Fiction (1987) (avec ANDREVON Jean-Pierre et GUIOT Denis)<br />
M.A. Editions, Le monde de... n° 39, 1987.<br />
Concernant sa bibliographie :<br />
-vous pouvez rajouter le roman « Antéros » publié en 2012 chez EONS collection Fantasy n°140<br />
et republié ensuite à compte d'auteur chez The BookEdition sous le titre « Antéros et chimères »<br />
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Je me tiens à votre disposition pour tout complément d'informations et vous saurais gré de me tenir informée de la suite que vous donnez à mon courrier.<br />
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Très cordialement.<br />
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Catherine Matheron/Barlow <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Catalpa|Catalpa]] ([[User talk:Catalpa|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Catalpa|contribs]]) .</small></div>
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== Recent Cyteen changes ==<br />
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Hi. You just made changes to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8537 Cyteen] with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5813497 this submission]. While I don't disagree with the changes, you really should have contacted both [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:GlennMcG GlennMcG] and me who are active PVs for that publication first. We both respond quickly. You also should have changed the page count to [7]+680 with the first map on [6] and the second map on [7]. Regards, [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:50, 19 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Would you object if I make the following changes to the hardcover edition of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8537 Cyteen]? Change the page count to [7]+680 with the first map on [6] and the second map on [7]. (Also sent to other PV) Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:04, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Decidedly yes object to doing that - does not at all match my physical copy. First numbered page is 1 (Verbal Text from: THE HUMANE REVOLUTION....).The maps are on the preceeding UNNUMBERED pages before this and there are decidedly not seven unnumbered pages prior to page 1 either. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 15:43, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Looking at the Help text for the Pages field, it says "Sometimes a publication will have unnumbered pages before page 1. If there is any material in these pages which needs to be entered as part of the contents of the book, you may record this by entering the count in squared brackets. For example, [6]+320 would be a publication with six unnumbered pages and then 320 numbered pages. There is no need to record these unnumbered pages if they contain no content that needs to be recorded.". We both agree that there are unnumbered pages before page 1 and there are two maps on those unnumbered pages. My understanding is that you count the unnumbered pages starting with the first page with printing on it from the front of the book and count until you reach the last unnumbered page with printing on it. Starting with the page that has only "Cyteen" printed on it and stopping on the last map page, there are a total of 7 unnumbered pages. Per the Help, that number is entered in brackets, hence [7], making the correct page count value [7]+680. The two maps are on unnumbered pages 6 and 7, so they are entered as pages [6] and [7] respectively in the page number field of their Regular title entries. Does this make sense to you? Regards, [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:00, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::::You are overcomplicating what is an already straightforward entry. Normally one does not count things like title page, copyright page etc as part of the page numbering. Do whay you will I have nothing furthwer to say. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 11:54, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::Based on your response, I thought it would be prudent to check on this with a moderator. Based on [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Anniemod#Did_I_explain_this_correctly_or_am_I_wrong.3F this discussion], I determined that my counting procedure was correct. Since the other PV agrees with my revised changes, I have updated the record accordingly. Regards. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:32, 16 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Fontana's A Cure For Cancer ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?220125; I added Archive.org link in a PENDING edit and fixed publisher to Fontana / Collins since that's what it says in the book on the title page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:49, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Childhood's End ==<br />
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Can you please take a look at {{P|356516|Childhood's End}}? The catalog number is given as G643, but the cover shows G463. Is this a database typo or does the book have the transposed digits inside? Can you either correct the record or add a publication note regarding the disconnect? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:27, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:It was a databse typo. Check physical copy and it is G463 which is only printed on the cover and nowhere else. I've submitted a correction. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 08:32, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Approved. Thanks! --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:06, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Golden Apples of the Sun 1978 UK HC ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?520003; I added Archive.org link and entered page numbers for the stories in a PENDING edit but there are 2 stories not in the book; "Great Fire" and "Big Black and White Game". I'm going to remove them and also import Mugnaini's interior art. Re: publisher I think it should probably be changed to this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?17853, as similarly dated and priced Bradbury books are there, but that's up to you. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:48, 8 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Can confirm the two stories you mentioned are not in this publication. As far as publisher goes maybe wise to include Granada as the publiher (so something like Hart-Davis, MacGibbon / Granada) as Granada Publishing is prominent on title page and copyright page. Otherwise someone might assume that Granada had no part in it's publication. You could always raise this on the Moderator Noticeboard on the Commiunity Portal given that merely becasue other Bradbury publications of this date were merely entered as Hart-Davis, MacGibbon does not indicate Granada were not involved. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 13:20, 8 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Suaine and the Crow-God ==<br />
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I added the Internet Archive scan to {{P|278254|Suaine and the Crow-God}}. In doing so, I noticed the page count was wrong (the prior count was less than the last listed contents) and two typos. I made the corrections based on the scan. If by some odd chance, the scan differs from your copy, please let me know and I will revert and clone a new record. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:25, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Page count should be 255, checked with my physical copy. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 11:58, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for confirming. My prior edit seems to have gone missing. I must not have hit submit. I re-did it so you will now also see the typo corrections. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:32, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::I noticed edit was missing so I did one; it was rejected because J's edit fixed the same stuff. However, there may be a few other issues. I think "day on end" should be days; also, why are some art titles capitalized and others not? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:13, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Lost Continent of Mu ==<br />
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Would you please check the page 70 artwork title of {{P|972226|The Lost Continent of Mu}}? Is the missing space in "TheDistribution..." a database typo? If not, please add a note stating it is original to the pub. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:28, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:It's a typo. Should be "The Distribution" (with a space). --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 11:50, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Fixed. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:35, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Tegne ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34650; I added Archive.org link and other stuff to the PB in a PENDING edit; first word in the title has an accent over the e so I fixed that. If your PV TP does, too, then you can fix that and I'll add it to cover art (parent and variant) and title record. EDIT: I just noticed something; since it's a series then Tegne shouldn't be in the PB or TP titles because that's the rules here, dropping series names from titles. The series title does have the accent over the e so if you agree to remove Tegne then I'll re-do my edit doing the same and then I'll just have to add the accent to the cover art(s). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:05, 12 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34650 Warlord of Zendow] does indeed have an accent over the e of Tegne. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 23:58, 12 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Half A Life Title ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?269198; While just making an edit adding archived link I noted subtitle "and Other Stories" is also in this edition so can you add that to the title if it's also in your copy? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:38, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Done. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 11:54, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Space Traveller ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?70359; While adding Archive.org link I also noted NZ $18.95 price, no number on last page, and misspelled word on title page (Reminiscenes); not sure if that error requires a variant but that's up to you. I also added link for Star Diaries (Mandarin edition); nothing else was required for that. Both are PENDING and should be approved sometime in the New Year. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:12, 29 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:That's fine. All details you mentioned confirmed from my own copy. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 01:50, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Digital Fantasy Painting ==<br />
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Happy New Year! Would you mind if I added some images to this record? https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?514360 —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 15:06, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
: Not at all and a happy new year to you too. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 16:27, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Harry Harrison / West of Eden ==<br />
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I am editing an PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?180877 West of Eden] and will add month: 1985-07-00 and state source: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?567901 Galactic Central Bibliography] [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:23, 3 January 2024 (EST)<br />
: Carry on but since those are minor edits you don't really need to inform me. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 14:32, 3 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Martian Chronicles ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?353769<br />
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hiya mate Ive got this book and i'm asking the pvs about a couple of issues. the first one is just that 2 of the contents are out of order ie "The old ones" and "the martian" theyre on the same page but old ones should come first. The second one relates to the fact that the stories are all prefixed by a date in the contents and before the story itself. In this book there is no colon or hyphen and all the contents entries leave out the date except the last one which uses the variant with the date. for consistency i'd like to swap it out for the variant without the date. cheers from Gaz<br />
: Proceed. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 10:38, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Robert (A.) Heinlein / The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?357544 The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress]. In my copy, the author's name is stated as "Robert Heinlein" on the title page even though it's "Robert A. Heinlein" on cover and spine. So I propose to change the author's name and add a corresponding pub note. Is your copy the same? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:34, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Mine is the same. Proceed. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 00:21, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Sphere Cities of Wonder ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5872641; If your copy has readable prices on the back you can erase my note after approval and enter them all; also, pre-decimal price, if there is one, should be added to price field because it's a 1970 book before the switch to decimal prices. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:10, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Right prices on back cover are thus: Australia 1.00c; New Zealand 85c; UK 6/- (30p); South Africa 75c; East Africa 7/25. Hope that helps. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 15:02, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::OK, thanks, I cancelled old edit and made new edit; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5872984. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:57, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Star Maker ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?269259<br />
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hello there i'm asking the active pvs to have a quick shufti at this one re the pages field. In my copy the last numbered page is 264 which is the lsat page of the note on magnitude essay. After that theres the 3 pages of time scale diagrams followed by a load of magnum adverts so i'm thinking it should be 264+[3]? That time scale diagram sequence has been entered as contents for the 2003 sf masterworks edition so it could be imported here as well if you think its worth it. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 19:57, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Mine is the same. You could add a note about the additional pages after the diagrams having adverts. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 23:55, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Year's Best SF 1972 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?286137<br />
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hiya mate, just to let you know that i'm going to import the 4 cartoons on p87-90 that are already entered in the other editions of this title. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 17:47, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Ive just noticed the map on p45 in the first sphere edition so that's gone for import as well, Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 18:00, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Ultima Thule ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?367484; Fixed story's # to 69. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:40, 26 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Robert A. Heinlein ==<br />
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Please see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5790838 this edit] I am holding that impacts your verified pub. The Internet Archive link being added shows a pub with "Paul Harris Publishing" on the title page, but "Taplinger Publishing Company" on the dust jacket. Does that match your version? There are other Internet Archive versions ([https://archive.org/details/robertaheinlein0000unse_a5x2], [https://archive.org/details/robertaheinlein0000unse]) which have the same cover, but have Taplinger also on the title page. What does your jacket say? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:07, 2 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:My copy is entirely Paul Harris Publishing. Logo on dustwrapper spine and Paul Harris Publishing on title page. So not a Taplinger edition. Hope that helps. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 16:17, 2 March 2024 (EST)<br />
::Edit has been rejected. I'm not sure if there was some weird edition that had a Paul Harris tile page with a Taplinger dust jacket or if someone just inadvertently swapped covers on the two editions. Thanks for checking. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:47, 7 March 2024 (EST)</div>
JLaTondre
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Albinoflea&diff=681368
User talk:Albinoflea
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<div>== Cartoons - Tales of the Unanticipated ==<br />
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Welcome. The methodology for doing cartoons is "The title should be "Cartoon: " followed by the caption, in the original case, between quotation marks. If there is no caption the words "no caption" should be used without quotation marks." [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?DRMWRLDFEB1957 This pub] has a examples of both types. You can answer on this page.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 12:37, 18 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks, found the cartoon guidelines after I had submitted this. Both of the cartoons (on the fep and p 56) should be listed as '''Cartoon: no caption'''. It also appears (and I don't believe this is my doing) that the Review for Hemingway's Suitcase is not sorting correctly due to an incorrect date. <br />
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: In a case like this, when a Pending Edit is held by a moderator, do I go back in and Edit the Pub to make the requested corrections or does it get worked out here? Thanks for the help, [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]]<br />
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::I normally would have approved the submission and made the suggestions but since you are a new editor I wanted to make sure that we made communications first. The decision to approve or hold and communicate is considered on a case by case basis. Unless the moderator states otherwise it is better to wait for communication with a moderator. I also [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?60820 changed] the title from "Tales of the Unanticipated, Winter/Spring/Summer 1991" to "Tales of the Unanticipated, Winter-Spring-Summer 1991" which is our standard way of listing multi-period titles. I might note that when you enter new titles into a pub the dates are replicated from the pub date if you leave the new content date empty. For some reason there are some contents dated 1990 for this pub.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 17:09, 19 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::: OK, that makes sense. <br />
::: This was a edit for me, I was just adding in the interior art to an existing Pub, so I can't vouch for the title or the dates, but it's all good information to know. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 20:42, 19 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Starshore ==<br />
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I added a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Magazine:Starshore wiki page] for the magazine and placed the issues in a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?27949 magazine series]. Should make it a little bit easier to find the mags.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 12:55, 18 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for this; I was aware that it needed done but couldn't find instructions on how to accomplish it. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 03:15, 19 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::On [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to this page] you will find a link to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_link_a_magazine_to_its_wiki_page_and_add_it_to_a_magazine_series this page]. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?27949 Dynamic grids] for magazines are new. Rather maintaining them in HTML on the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Magazine:Starshore magazine wiki page] I used a link to the dynamic grid.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 17:23, 19 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Great, I was wondering why I couldn't easily see if there were other issues of this title available, when I could for other magazines. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 20:42, 19 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Robinson's ''Sixty Days and Counting'' by Easton Press ==<br />
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I believe you meant to remove the cover art when you created [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?329306 this record] for the Easton Press edition. Also, I've had to go back and close the html on several of your submissions. You don't have to close lines (</li>) but you must close links (</a>) and lists (</ul>). Thanks for contributing. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:27, 25 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
: Yes, must have missed that when I cloned the previous pub; I've added and linked a proper scan of the Easton edition. Sorry about the sloppy HTML, I'll try to be a bit more detail oriented. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 22:27, 27 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Er, sorry, not quite. If you want [[:Image:60-days-and-counting-easton.jpg]] used on {{P|SXTDSNDCNF2007|this publication}}, you still need to edit the publication record and enter the actual image URL, which in this case would be '''<nowiki>http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/6/62/60-days-and-counting-easton.jpg</nowiki>'''. See [[Help: How to upload images to the ISFDB wiki]], Particularly step 6. By the way i think HTML "li" tags are for "list items" just as "ul" tags are for "unnumbered lists". Thank you. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:53, 27 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
::: I did edit the pub and insert the link as outlined; I believe you approved the edit. It is showing the new image properly now; was that my doing or yours?<br />
::: I cleaned up the HTML with a new edit; hope everything is OK now. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 04:21, 28 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::I did approve your edit changing the image URL, that got the displayed image working correctly. I made no changes beyond approving your edit. The HTML looks fine at this time. [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] appears to have approved your edit to the HTML. Thanks again for your contributions. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 12:19, 28 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Pirate Writings #8 ==<br />
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I've accepted the submission updating [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?59975 this issue] but moved the ISSN from the ISBN field and placed it into the notes field. You may still see some magazines using the ISSN in the ISBN/Catalog # field, but the standards have changed since those were entered. There are several unlinked review titles also. Do you know if these are speculative fiction books? If so, you can create a record for them and link them to the review record. If they're magazines or graphic novels, the review record should be dropped and an essay record created for each. If you need any assistance in doing this, just ask and I'll gladly help. Thanks for contributing. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:46, 29 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:OK, thanks for clarifying.<br />
:This page still says "For magazines, it is allowable to enter the ISSN." http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub so I imagine that should be updated to reflect the new standards. Who takes care of that?<br />
:Looking at the review section again, it appears that the unlinked titles are mystery novels. Should I create entries for these? Again from http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub "Non-sf works should be entered but if an onerous number of non-sf-related works are reviewed in a column you are entering, discuss the situation on the Bibliographic Rules page to decide what can be eliminated." And if I don't create entries for them, do I need a separate essay record for each book, or does the essay record for the whole review column suffice?<br />
:Thanks for the help. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 07:34, 29 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::It's better a create an essay record for each. There's a chance that any of the three authors might someday write speculative novels and we'd have a record of these reviews in the db. I will create an essay for the three reviews. You can look at it afterward and see how it works for any future entries. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:04, 29 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::OK, I see what you did, that makes sense. Thanks. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 22:15, 29 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::It would also have been acceptable to create NONGENRE records for each of the reviewed books. [[ISFDB:Policy#Rules of Acquisition|Rules of Acquisition]] #16 allows "''Otherwise ineligible books (but not comics, games, manga or films) reviewed in SF magazines''". Which way to go is an individual judgment call. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 02:49, 30 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::::Hadn't noticed the NONGENRE hiding in the pubtype dropdown. Thanks for pointing this out. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 15:00, 1 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::You are right the help was out-of-date. i have corrected it. Thanks for pointing this out. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 14:19, 29 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Thanks for updating the help, DES. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:04, 29 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Thanks DES! [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 22:15, 29 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Adding contents to an existing pub ==<br />
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Hi. I noticed you entered the contents of {{P|43922|The Martians}} by hand. Do you know about Import Contents and Export Contents? You can use these to duplicate contents from an existing publication into another one. All you need to know is the tag of the publication at the other end of the operation. That can save a lot of merging effort. The tag is the series of letters and digits after the "?" in the link to the publication. It is also listed as a field when you Edit This Publication. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:31, 2 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Thanks, I had seen the Export Content and Import Content links listed in the Editing Tools but did not know what they were used for. It definitely would have saved me some time last night; sorry if it caused you some extra work as well. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 16:36, 2 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:p.s. I did the merges, except for {{T|1178918|If Wang Wei Lived on Mars and Other Poems}} with {{T|389061|If Wong Wei Lived on Mars and Other Poems}} ("Wang" vs. "Wong"). That might need to be a variant. I see Locus agrees with the "Wang" spelling, but many verifications agree with the "Wong" spelling, including your own verified {{P|THMRTNSHBF1999}}. Perhaps you could double-check and if necessary add that into the discussion you started on the help page? {{unsigned2|06:39, 2 October 2010 |MartyD}} <br />
::Well, that is interesting and probably something that wouldn't have cropped up if I hadn't re-entered by hand. I have the UK edition here and the spelling Wang is correct. (It's a reference to an actual Chinese poet named Wang Wei, so I guess that's not too surprising.) When I get home I'll have to check the Easton and Bantam editions, but I suspect from what I'm seeing in the Google Books preview that Wang is also correct for those editions as well. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 16:36, 2 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Variant titles ==<br />
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I was just about to approve those variant titles you had submitted but I see you canceled them. :-)<br />
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Initially I'd held off on approving as I tend to normalize titles and so was writing a note to you plus doing some research. For example, one of the titles you wanted to do a variant on was {{t|917539|Batman: The Dark Knight Returns}}. I generally would change the title to ''The Dark Knight Returns'' as "Batman" is the series name. I was looking at the help pages and decided a strict interpretation would allow for<br />
* ''Batman: The Dark Knight Returns''<br />
** '''Variant Title''' ''The Dark Knight Returns''<br />
and so I was going to approve the VTs you wanted to set up. Often in ISFDB we will see the title record with ''The Dark Knight Returns'' and the publications under that will be named ''Batman: The Dark Knight Returns'', ''The Dark Knight Returns'', etc.<br />
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You had also wanted to add a VT to {{t|37084|Dreams of Dark and Light}} of ''Dreams of Dark and Light: The Great Short Fiction of Tanith Lee''. That's valid per what's in the help but the normal practice is we don't include the full sub-title at the title-record level.<br />
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The last one was to add a VT to the shortfiction title record {{t|57454|Effing the Ineffable}} for ''Effing the Ineffable: An Essay''. Note that {{t|1181709|Effing the Ineffable: An Essay}} already exists meaning that VT should have been done using the "parent already exists" part of the make-variant screen. Usually we try to capture the actual title used at the start of a story. When I see something like "An Essay" as part of the title I'll look at the table of contents, copyright acknowledgments page, and the page headers for the story itself to decide if "An Essay" should be included in the title. Often I'll find that the collection/anthology editor used ''Effing the Ineffable'' and so I'll use that and add a note explaining that the title on the first page of the story is ''Effing the Ineffable: An Essay'' but that ''Effing the Ineffable'' was used in the table of contents, copyright acknowledgments, page header, etc.<br />
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I did a quick check and only one title in ISFDB currently uses ": An Essay" meaning most people must be following that practice. 88 of the 126,211 NOVEL titles in ISFDB have ": A Novel". With that one it's possible "A Novel" does not appear often on the title page. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 04:21, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for the explanations; I saw that you were holding those variants, so I went back and looked at the help pages and decided I was mistaken... :)<br />
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::I must admit I'm a bit confused about the different situations when the creation of variants is permissible, but re-reading the help I believe the key take-away for me is that to qualify as a variant the pub must actually have been published under the variants, but my variants were in support of reviews of the pubs in question, so they don't qualify.<br />
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::I believe in this situation I need to edit the pub and insert the actual titles that the pubs being reviewed have been cataloged as then make a note of the variants in the pub note:<br />
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::: ''If the review uses a non-canonical title which is already recorded in the ISFDB as a variant of the canonical title for this work, simply enter the title used in the review. If the review uses a title which differs from any of the known titles for this book, but which still serves to unambiguously identify the book (e.g. if the review has a misprint, or abbreviates the name of the book), then enter a corrected title, but make a note in the notes field for the publication that the review title was spelled incorrectly, and give the form of the title actually used in the review.'' from http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:EditPub <br />
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::Is that correct? [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 04:40, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::I think it is, although I'll let Marc answer for himself. (Note that "Effing the Ineffable" may come under the 'variant already exists' rule.) However, when a title has actually been printed what variants to create, and in particular, what to do with subtitles is something of a judgment call. For example, i don't enter subtitles like "A Novel", "An Essay", etc. even if they are on cover, copyright page, '''and''' title page, unless they seem essential to identifying the work. Some others do, in some cases. I don't, however, remove such when already there. Series name prefixs I do generally remove, except when they seem essential to identification or are by far the most common way the work is referred to. For example I retain the prefix on the various "1634: " books. In the case of ''The Dark Knight Returns'' the name starting with 'Batman" was so used in publicizing the movie, I might use it. Just a few comments, nothing binding. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 13:33, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::A misprint/retitling of a book's title and/or misprinting of the book's author credit based solely on a secondary source (like a review) is not sufficient reason to create a variant and/or pseudonym. Reviews should be linked to the title record as published. If the system doesn't automatically link the review, (because it was unable to find an exact match) you can search for the book and link manually. Misprinted author credits should be corrected with a note in the review's note field, otherwise stray authors without pubs are created. The best approach is to enter the review credits (title, author, reviewer) as stated in the pub. Then after the submission is accepted go back to see if there are any reviews which the system was unable to match. Search for the book title (you may have to cross-check using author search as well if the book's title is misstated.) If it exists use the "link review to title" function. If the search found that the title is not in the database, create a record for the title, making sure the title is actually a book. If the review is for a graphic novel, music recording, film, etc, change the review to an essay. I had linked the reviews of the Frank Miller and Tanith Lee books to the proper title record before I saw this discussion. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:45, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::: Also, it's worth checking the reviews that ''have'' been automatically linked to see if the system got it right. It's not uncommon for a review of a collection or a non-fiction book to incorrectly link to a short story, poem or essay of the same name. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 17:26, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Very true, and I've changed the link on more than a few (I recently changed all of the reviews of Joe Haldeman's ''The Hemingway Hoax'' from the novella to the novel record). I think the system automatically chooses the first title it finds so it's usually the first title entered into the database. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:49, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I seem to see two different ways to go about handling the situation where a pub is reviewed and a non-canonical/non-variant title is listed in the pub where the review was published:<br />
::::::::'''a)''' Change the title in the review listing to match the canonical title of the pub in ISFDB, then insert a note for the pub containing the review as to the title discrepancy. Links from the review to the pub being reviewed will be created automatically by the system but should be double-checked for accuracy.<br />
::::::::'''b)''' Enter the non-canonical/non-variant title as it is listed in the review in the review record, then go back and manually link the review record to the pub that's being reviewed using the "link review to title" function.<br />
:::::::Is there a general preference or consensus as to which method should typically be employed? Method '''b''' would seem to remain truer to the pub itself yet requires an extra step, while method '''a''' requires less work but splits the information between two locations. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 19:01, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: Definitely A, because B creates stray authors and unlinked reviews. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:57, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::: Eh? I'd definitely go for B - it's TITLE corrections we're talking about, not AUTHOR corrections. Stray Authors are a pet hate, unlinked reviews less so - but neither A nor B lead to those. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 23:13, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::The author credit was not specifically mentioned, but I didn't want Albinoflea to think the review's title record (which includes the author of the book under review) has to match the review as published. Option B would lead to a stray author, if the author credited in the review is wrong. Sorry if I misunderstood the problem as presented. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:29, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::: We might be advising on the wrong problem. :-/ I don't adjust ''titles'' if I can link them correctly. I'll adjust ''authors'' to someone that exists and leave a note. If I can't figure out what it should link to, I'll just leave a note. For secondary sources (where I can't, for instance, be sure '''which''' volume of ''Best SF/F/H'' is reviewed), that's safest. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 00:15, 12 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::My question didn't address the issue of author linking directly, so thanks to [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] for bringing it up. Some follow up questions:<br />
:::::::::::::1) Just to be sure we're on the same page, are we talking about the author of the review, or the author of the title being reviewed? Or both?<br />
:::::::::::::2) Also, if a title being reviewed has more than one author in its ISFDB entry, but the review doesn't mention all of them, is it necessary to add the other authors in?<br />
:::::::::::::3) Is the linking of reviews to titles something that a moderator typically does during the review process? Or should I count on going back after it's been approved to do myself?<br />
:::::::::::::4) If I need to create a record for a title that was reviewed but is not currently in ISFDB, should I do that before I submit the pub containing the review so that review record is auto-created? I'm guessing the attempt to create the link only occurs when the review record is submitted, so that if I create the record for the title that's being reviewed after I've already submitted the pub containing the review I would need to manually create the link.<br />
::::::::::::Thanks, and sorry for all the questions. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 04:16, 12 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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[unindent] No need to apologize. It's the best way to learn (even the Help pages can only do so much.)<br />
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: 1) The author of the review should be entered as stated, regardless of whether it's a pseudonym or misprint. The author of the book under review should match the ISFDB record for the book. 99% of the time it does so don't worry about that until after the submission is accepted. Just enter it as stated and check the pub after submission to see if the authors link properly. Only then should you worry about correcting the review (for the author being review, NOT the author of the review, which I stated above should be entered EXACTLY as printed.)<br />
: 2) It's not necessary to have all of the pub's authors in the review record for the system to match it, but if you know the book has multiple authors and the review falls to mention all, it would be nice to add the missing authors (but not mandatory).<br />
: 3) As a moderator I will do it for newer editors, while letting them know how it should be done. Other moderators may handle it differently, because generally it is not the responsibility of the moderator. If you're entering the publication and intend on doing a primary verification of it, it would be better if you did the linking.<br />
: 4) I usually check to see whether some obscure item from an obscure publisher has an ISFDB record, and, if it doesn't, I will create a record for it, before I submit the publication with the review. That's just me, because it saves me from doing the link manually. But it does require opening multiple tabs (or windows), researching, etc. and other editors may not be feel it's worth the effort. It's a personal thing, so it's up to you about which method you use. Don't create records for films, music recordings, comic books, manga, graphic novels, and non-genre works for authors below the "threshold". Make the review into an essay including the name of the work and its author(s) in the essay's title. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:34, 12 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::On your last point I slightly disagree. I automatically create records for non-genre or nonfiction works (but not films, comics, Magna, graphic, novels, etc) reviewed in genre pubs, even if they are by authors below the threshold, to avoid dangling reviews. RoA #16 specifically makes such works IN. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 23:20, 12 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Nothing in the rules ''require'' that I create a record for such a book. I'm not going to go into the database and remove such title records, but I don't see the point of including a nonfiction book about the planets by a scientist (who's never written a work of spec-fic) when a graphic novel based on a Jim Butcher story is far more closer to spec-fic yet is excluded based on the same set of ROA. The review is recorded because it's in a genre magazine, but that doesn't mean I have to create a pub record for the book. In fact, I'd rather there be a stray author than a non-genre nonfiction book record. My method of changing the review into an essay ensures that neither are created. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:33, 12 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::BTW, sorry to be filling up your user talk page with this discussion, Albinoflea. Any further discussion will be taken to the Rules and Standards page. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:35, 12 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::(after EC) No, nothing '''requires''' you or anyone to create such a record. I happen to disagree that a stray author is preferable to a record for an otherwise OUT book. There was a [[ISFDB:Help_desk#John_Branville|public discussion]] that led to the adoption of this RoA earlier this year, and the consensus seemed to be (IIRC) that stray authors should be avoided even at the cost of extra records. In any case, I think you should not be telling Albinoflea "Don't create records for ... non-genre works ..." when the most recent consensus and the RoA indicate otherwise. If you had written "Feel free not to create records for ... I always covert such reviews to essays" I would have no objection. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 23:44, 12 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::Albinoflea, this indicates the some of the ways in which people here disagree, as well as the ways in which they agree. I hope it is instructive. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 23:44, 12 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::: And hopefully not too disconcerting. Those of us left active have had far more serious spats, but we're still here. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 00:01, 13 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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[unindent] As [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] said, no need to apologize. You're asking all the right questions,[[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]]. I do differ from some opinions expressed above by other moderators: e.g. in (1) I'd adjust Reviewer names (and leave notes) as well as ''Reviewee'' names for an obvious misprint - I hate stray authors that much. Sometimes that's an important difference between Fan-Writing and Professional writing. e.g. {{A|Dave Langford}} versus {{A|David Langford}}. For (2), I do worry that reviews sometimes credit the ''editor'' of even a single-person collection. Correcting such makes me think I'm corrupting what the review actually says. (3) I agree - it's not the Mod's job. We're overworked already. :-( [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 00:01, 13 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Don't worry, it's all good; I moderate for a few other sites and I know how things can get. Not only do interpretation of the given standards vary, but the rules change with time so it's a constant struggle to mod the new submissions while attempting to bring earlier submissions into accordance with the new guidelines.<br />
:I also work in a library, and if you've seen the mess that is WorldCat you know that there's plenty of variation among the catalogers, and they've got the monstrous Anglo-American Cataloguing Rules to fall back on.<br />
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:Anyhow, I appreciate all of the work you guys do; this site is a terrific resource, and like most sites that rely on user-generated content there's a few core people behind the scenes that make the site great due to the effort they sink into it. Thanks. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 00:17, 13 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Yet another question: If {{T|166234|a review}} is later re-published as {{T|1147932|an essay under a different title}}, is it still possible to have one be a variant of the other if their pub types are different? [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 05:05, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Linking reviews to title records==<br />
OK, a bit confused again.<br />
I had a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?SCNCFCTNSC1985 pub approved], which contained [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1183524 a review]. I created pub entry for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?HGWLLSNLVP1984 pub being reviewed], and it was also approved. I'm going in to link the two records using the Link Review to Title function, and I'm getting the following message in a bright yellow box.<br />
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:'''Error: Title record does not exist.'''<br />
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If I'm doing this correctly, the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?HGWLLSNLVP1984 pub's record number] is 333036. There's no help page listed on the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:ScreenList Screen List] page for the Link Review to Title function, but that's the only thing that makes sense to plug into the only field on that screen; I did try the pub's tag instead, and that threw a Python error:<br />
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:<br />
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<type 'exceptions.ValueError'> Python 2.5: /usr/bin/python <br />
Thu Oct 14 11:14:31 2010 <br />
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A problem occurred in a Python script. Here is the sequence of function calls leading up to <br />
the error, in the order they occurred. <br />
/var/www/cgi-bin/edit/submitlinkreview.cgi in () <br />
50 sys.exit(0) <br />
51 <br />
52 if int(title_id) == int(parent_id): <br />
53 print '<div id="WarningBox">' <br />
54 print "<h3>Error: Review record can not be linked to itself.</h3>" <br />
builtin int = <type 'int'>, title_id = '1183524', parent_id = 'HGWLLSNLVP1984' <br />
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<type 'exceptions.ValueError'>: invalid literal for int() with base 10: 'HGWLLSNLVP1984' <br />
</pre><br />
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::Do not use the '''publication''' record number in this function, it will not work (or will work incorrectly). Instead use the '''title''' record number. A review is generally considered to be a review of a given title, and not merely of one of its publications. From the newly created publication record, click the "Title reference" link. This will put you on the title record display page, where all publications of the title are listed. The record number for the title is in the browser address at the end. '''This''' is the number to use in the "Link review" function. Note that this is the same number that you would use in a "Make Variant" with an existing parent -- the process is not unlike making a variant title. I hope this is helpful. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 16:33, 14 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::In the example above the title record number is 1183499. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 16:34, 14 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::See also [[Help:Screen:LinkReview]], now in the screen list but always linked from the top of the Link Review display. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 16:41, 14 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::Ah, OK, you're exactly right, I was confusing the pub record number with the title record number. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 18:44, 14 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::The title record for the Wells book would have linked automatically with the review record (because I remember accepting the submission adding the pub before you updated the magazine containing the review), but they didn't match exactly. (You've since moved the colon in the title record to match the review.) Now you'll need manually link [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1183524 the review record] to the pub's title record: 1183499. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:25, 14 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::::Yes, got tripped up by that extra space before the colon... and I thought I was being so careful...[sigh] [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 21:41, 14 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::OK, so I've been going back though my various submissions to make sure any reviews I entered are correct and properly link to their pubs. I came across a review I had entered from {{P|CRTCLWVCPH1993|Critical Wave #29}} and after further investigation believe that the {{T|1170663|name=title being reviewed}} is a comic or graphic novel is therefore not eligible for inclusion. I was going to remove the review, and re-enter it as an ESSAY entry as a non-genre review as someone above suggested; however, when I use the '''Remove Titles From This Pub''' function I get the following warning:<br />
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:::::::WARNING: Unable to locate the title reference for this publication.<br />
:::::::Removing titles while in this state is dangerous. Check to make sure the publication type is correct (collection, novel, anthology, etc.). Then come back and remove the title in question.<br />
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::::::The [[Help:Screen:RemoveTitles]] page doesn't mention this, so I just wanted to check to see what the best course of action was before I proceed. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 22:06, 16 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::That's a bug in the FANZINE pub record type. Ordinarily the title reference for a magazine is the editor title record, but for some reason I can't explain, the editors given in pubs with the fanzine type aren't given the same reference title as editors of magazines. Go ahead and ignore the warning and drop the review from the pub. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:34, 16 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::OK, thanks for clarifying, I've submitted the removal request.<br />
::::::::I didn't see anything related to this in the bug tracker in SourceForge, should it be added? [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 03:26, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::Oddly, the review is still appearing in the list despite the removal being approved; I've re-submitted. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 02:28, 18 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::: Can you tell us which review of which title is still appearing in which list? I suspect that this might be a case where people remove a review title and reenter it as an essay, but don't delete the review. The false review doesn't get deleted automatically. I've fixed a few dozen recently from locally-run scripts, but it seems people are missing that step quite often. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 23:27, 19 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::It wound up taking the second time around. I can't see the details, but the relevant entries in my Recent Edits list are:<br />
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2010-10-16 22:37:05 TitleRemove Mhhutchins Critical Wave, #29<br />
2010-10-16 23:21:55 PubUpdate Mhhutchins Critical Wave, #29<br />
2010-10-18 00:03:10 TitleRemove Mhhutchins Critical Wave, #29<br />
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:::::::::::I'm assuming the time/date stamps refer to when approval occurred, and not the time of my original submissions. <br />
:::::::::::Now that I think about it I believe that what transpired was that I submitted the TitleRemove request and the PubUpdate edit containing the re-entry of the review as an essay about the same time; however, during the editing of the pub record the review still showed because the original removal had not yet been approved. So, when [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] was working through the queue, he approved the removal first, then he approved the pub edit, which still listed the review thereby recreating it in the system. Since this happened within a short period of time, by the time I back around to checking the pub record the review had been re-created and so looked like it was never deleted. I guess this could be confirmed by looking at the title record IDs for the two TitleRemove operations, where they would be different numbers if this sequence of events took place; if they were the same it would indicate that the original TitleRemove didn't take.<br />
:::::::::::In the future I'll wait for individual steps in the process to be approved before moving on to the next step. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 01:40, 21 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Bridal Gown Shroud'' ==<br />
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Hi. Is the ''Bridal Gown Shroud'' you submitted "SF"? The description I found [http://www.amazon.com/Bridal-Shroud-Adele-Olivia-Gladwell/dp/1871592135/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1287278729&sr=8-1 on Amazon] suggests it is not. See the "Definitions" and "Rules of Acquisition" sections [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Contents.2FProject_Scope_Policy here] for details. If you have the book and think it fits, that's good enough for me -- just checking. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:31, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I do not have a copy and cannot be sure; the subject headings applied in OCLC (Feminism and the Arts, English Fiction 20th century) are too vague, and the titles of the works listed on Google Books aren't of much help either. My submission was entered in order to tie up {{T|1170667|a review}} from {{P|CRTCLWVCPH1993|Critical Wave #29}}, and the author does have other pubs in the system. My ultimate justification was Rule of Acquisition #16:<br />
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::In - Otherwise ineligible books (but not comics, games, manga or films) reviewed in SF magazines. This is done to avoid creating "dangling" reviews pointing to non-existent titles.<br />
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:[[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 03:20, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::That's in fact a perfectly good reason. I accepted the submission. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:25, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::In such a case a novel might be recored as type NONGENRE, but we don't have good support for non-genre collections (or short fiction). I added a title note and a tag. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:46, 17 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Kim Stanley Robinson's Me in a Mirror ==<br />
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You have verified {{P|FNDTNWNTRB1987|this pub}} containing {{T|1181710|Me in a Mirror}} and {{P|CHCKLSTFKM1991|this pub}} containing {{T|1164956|The Man in the Mirror}}. There is another {{T|1181701|Me in a Mirror}} that has the same date as the first one, but states it's a variant of ''The Man in the Mirror'' and has no publications. Are these stories truly variants of each other? If no, then that blank record should be deleted. If yes, than I would think ''Me in a Mirror'' should be the parent as it's the first published version (i.e. still delete the blank record and make the other ''Me in a Mirror'' the parent of ''The Man in the Mirror'')? Thanks. --[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] 15:27, 21 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for catching this, they are variants so I've submitted a delete request on the blank record and will rework the parentage as you suggest. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 05:06, 30 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Fifty Key Figures... ==<br />
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Hi. For your {{P|343215|Fifty Key Figures in Science Fiction}}, I changed all of the content entries from NONFICTION to ESSAY. NONFICTION is only for books (like NOVEL), not for shorter works -- for those we use ESSAY. While I was at it, I added "(Fifty Key Figures in Science Fiction)" as a qualifier to the "Introduction" and "Contributors" titles. For standard/generic content titles, the parenthetical qualifier helps distinguish one from another on the author's bibliography page. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 02:27, 8 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Ah, thanks for that, will make a note for the future. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 04:04, 16 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== The Future of the Jovian System ==<br />
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See [[User_talk:Bluesman#The_Future_of_the_Jovian_System|this question]] about the above piece appearing as two different types. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:25, 12 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Marblehead ==<br />
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I have the submission to add this title on hold. Though I can find a trade paperback record on OCLC and Amazon, no such luck with a hardcover (Amazon notes it as unavailable and there are no copies for sale there or AbeBooks, usually a good sign it's vapourware). The ISBN you put in is 9780977452750, which doesn't hit anywhere. Do you have this edition? --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 21:31, 21 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I took the ISBN from here : [http://www.lulu.com/product/hardcover/marblehead-a-novel-of-hp-lovecraft/5118279 http://www.lulu.com/product/hardcover/marblehead-a-novel-of-hp-lovecraft/5118279], so I'm guessing it is a POD title? It's reviewed as a HC in an issue of Locus I'm working on, but no ISBN given. In this case would it be best to leave the ISBN out? I'm only submitting so as to avoid a dangling review. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 22:22, 21 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Sorry to butt in, but because it's a POD book, it's rare for such records to appear in OCLC (libraries would not likely order a POD title). It's possible that Lulu manufactured books aren't available on Amazon because they have their own POD imprint. I say keep the ISBN as is, but record the source for your data, something you should always do if you're not working from the book in hand. (I do seem to be harping on that a lot lately, but editors tend to drift away from the standards when not reminded.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:29, 21 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::: Beat me to it! I'll accept the submission, and add a note. Thanks! --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 22:32, 21 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::: Result is [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1243114 here]] --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 22:38, 21 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::: Thanks guys, it looks like from their About page that Ramble House has been one of the POD pioneers, it may be worth adding some sort of note to their Publisher entry? Most of their stuff looks like mystery reprints, but there's some stuff that is relevant to ISFDB. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 02:50, 22 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: We have the note "Print On Demand(POD) publisher", is there anything more we could add usefully? [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 16:01, 22 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::::: Was that note there yesterday...? I must have totally missed it. <br />
::::::: Aside from their mention in the RoA there's not much on the wiki about POD items and tips for handling them, although in this case really the issue was with me not documenting my source as [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] pointed out above. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 17:15, 22 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::: Oddly enough I just noticed on the homepage that today is Lupoff's birthday... [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 02:50, 22 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Locus ==<br />
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Thanks for updating the April 2007 issue, and much thanks for following the standards that I unilaterally created and used for the first 400 issues (and the 2008-2011 ones). The one problem (if you look at the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?206105 record]) is that the magazine reviews aren't link. The database's system for recording and creating magazine records is different than that used for book publications. Unlike books, magazine records don't have title records. They do have editor records, but those should not be used to link reviews. And can't be used in most cases because editor records are usually merged into one-year groupings in order to create magazine series and issue grids. Currently, there's no way to get around this. Because they don't link to the issue being reviewed, I simply choose not to enter them at all. But that's no reason to remove the review records. I am concerned that someone else will come along and try to link them before they realize it can't be done, and then delete them altogether. An unlinked content record bugs some editors! Again, thanks for entering this issue, and I hope you get a chance to enter any others you may have in hand. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:21, 22 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:First, let me say that having entered in a single full issue of Locus I have a new found appreciation of the amount of work you must have spent entering the 450+ issues you taken care of... thanks for that! Unfortunately this was the only issue I have at the moment that you haven't gotten to already, but if I acquire more I'll be sure to lend a hand.<br />
:I looked for information about linking to magazines that were reviewed in the Guidelines and didn't find anything beyond a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Columns discussion in the rules and standards section] that seemed to indicate what you've spelled out more clearly above. Given the current state of affairs, I can see why some editors would be reluctant to include them if they're not linked, because without links they would be difficult to track down in the system and wouldn't contextually appear on that pages where they would serve the purpose for including them to begin with.<br />
:Is your advice then to leave these here since they've already been entered, but in the future to omit them? <br />
:Perhaps some note should be included on the [[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Contents.2FProject_Scope_Policy Contents/Project Scope Policy]] or the [[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:EditPub#Reviews Reviews section of the EditPub page]] regarding this? Those were the first places I looked, and I assumed that if it was frowned upon it would have been mentioned there. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 05:03, 22 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::It wouldn't hurt to leave them in the record for now. If you enter any more issues, just skip those reviews. The reason there's no stated policy about inclusion is that it's not very common for one magazine to review another. This was usually reserved for fanzines who were reviewing the prozines. When the ISFDB was created (I wasn't around then), it was policy that fanzines were not to be included in the database. Shortly before I came, fanzines began to be entered and any previous restrictions were changed. Unfortunately, any fanzine specific problems were never dealt with, and this was one of them (although it's uncommon you will occasionally see reviews of other magazines in the prozines as well.) I'll see what I can do to make the current situation more clear in the Help section of the Wiki.<br />
::With the current db structure I can see only a single solution to the problem: an editor can enter the titles of the specific stories that are being reviewed, which I have done sporadically, and only in a few exceptional cases. It's tough enough entering a record that reviews upwards to fifty books in a single issue. Can you imagine also entering review records for an additional 20-25 short stories? Once I've completed entering the remaining issues of Locus, I may (strong "may" there) go back and enter the reviews of short stories. This would include mentions of stories in collections and anthologies, not only magazines. That is, if I haven't burnt out... [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:45, 22 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::Fair enough; I'll follow your lead on this. I imagine that with the database as large as it is now, there's too much torque working against any deep changes in structure.<br />
:::I suppose the trick to entering short story reviews would be making the decision as to what merits being called a review; the stories that are mentioned usually only get a sentence or two. Nevertheless, I imagine in some cases it would be valuable information to capture, so I can see why you'd keep it on your long-term to do list. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 06:24, 22 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::: It might be worth a Rules and Standards discussion with possible software Feature Request off-shoots, as leaving out contents also bugs the more fastidious magazine editors. I think the compromise at present is to enter reviews of Magazines and Fanzines as Essays - WHAT is being reviewed can be entered in title notes for the essay, or more controversially as bracketed additions (search for "Barbed Wire Kisses" for examples). The latter style has also been used for Media Reviews (search for "Mutant Popcorn"). Linking to magazines CAN be done to some extent with the current software situation but it's one-to-one: a column that mentions several magazines can't be linked to them all, and the merging of magazines by year (which IMO is taken to extremes at times, it was only intended to reduce the length of ''some'' Editor's pages) means that even a simple case of reviewing multiple issues of the same magazine will not always work if they're spread across a year boundary. I'm sure we could develop something better if it's really desired. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 15:56, 22 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Nature, August 11, 2005 ==<br />
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Please recheck the starting page for the Robinson story in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?345306 this issue]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:00, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
: Page count for Nature is by volume; this issue is paginated from 753 to 888. I attempted to make note of this with the ''Volume 436, pp 753-888'' note, but will make it more explicit. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 03:00, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks. I missed that note. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:52, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::It's ISFDB policy to exclude cover images for non-spec-fic magazines, so I rejected the submission updating the pub. The image will also have to be removed from the database. Here's [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Entering_non-genre_magazines the Help page] giving the policy for entering such publications. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:56, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::Thanks, didn't realize there were separate rules for non-genre magazines. How do I remove the images from the database? Is that the same as removing them from the wiki? (I don't see a way to do that either.) [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 04:20, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::Sorry, I had the wrong wording there. Because I rejected the submissions the images never made it to the database. They're still on the wiki though. I'm not sure if non-mods can delete images. Go to the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:NTRGSTBMZS2005.jpg wiki page] for the image. If there's no link under File History called "Delete All", just let me know, and I delete it. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:43, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::I don't appear to have those permissions, so if you could delete it, and also the one I uploaded for [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:NTRJNRTGVM2000.jpg the Jan 6 2000 issue], that would be great. Thanks. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 04:58, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Modifying verified publications ==<br />
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Hi. I approved your cover additions to ''The Memory of Whiteness''. Please remember that when modifying verified publications, you should notify the primary verifier(s) on their talk pages. For covers and notes, it's fine to notify after the fact. For data field additions or changes, you should try to check with the verifier first (not all verifiers are active, so sometimes you have to just go the notify-after-the-fact route for all changes with those folks). It's a bit tedious, but it helps identify different publications. I dropped a note on [[User_talk:Orcax|Orcax' talk page]] about the cover addition. Thanks, --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:49, 14 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:OK, thanks for adding the note, will try to be more consistent about this in the future. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 01:29, 16 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Envisioning the Future ==<br />
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Can you confirm that the pieces by Rabkin and Robinson in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?266159 this pub] (pages 191 and 199) are fiction and not essays? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:41, 22 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I just found a copy of the Robinson piece as published in ''Nature'' and it appears to be a facetious review of two fictional books. The title as given in magazine appears to be editorial and not authorial. I've also discovered that the piece was reprinted in Night Shade Books' ''The Best of Kim Stanley Robinson'', although [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?323534 the ISFDB record] for the pub doesn't list it. Can you check your copy to see if the piece actually appears in that book? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:14, 22 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I have updated the ISFDB record for the issue of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?345305 Nature] in which the Robinson piece appeared, and have confirmed that the piece is fiction. I still need to know if the piece by Eric S. Rabkin is fiction. It's the only piece of fiction by him in the db. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:24, 22 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::The Robinson piece in question does not appear in my copy of the ''The Best of Kim Stanley Robinson'', although a second piece he wrote that appeared in Nature as part of the Futures series ''Prometheus Unbound, At Last'' is collected there. (This is true for both the ARC and HB that I have access to.) I'm curious though as to where you might have seen it reported that it was included.<br />
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::I had questions about the Rabkin piece for the same reasons you did; but its general format actually matches that of the Robinson piece, where two books, ''Science Fiction: Literal Narrative and the Adolescence of Humanity'' published by the Lagrange Historical Collective, Oxford, Europe in the year 2999, and ''SciFiUniverse: How We Became Human'' published by La Familia Crick, Heinlein, Mars, also from 2999 are "reviewed". So, in my opinion if the Robinson piece is speculative so is the Rabkin piece. In the Introduction, Barr writes "Rabkin imagines a far future that functions as a power fantasy for science fiction critics. His imaginative text, a next millennium review of two works about science fiction..." [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 02:00, 23 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Locus #555, April 2007 ==<br />
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I've done a second primary verification of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?206105 this issue], making a few changes. The page count was changed from 70 to 72 (magazine page counts differ from books in that we include the covers, not just the last numbered page). I separated the column "Locus Looks at Books: Divers Hands" into four separate records for each of the inclusive reviewers. (It's a personal quirk, and may not even be ISFDB standard, but I hate to see one piece credited to more than one person when it's clear that each person wrote their contributions individually.) The "Books Received" and "British Books" columns were changed to credit the compiler (they're credited in the short paragraph at the beginning of each column). Also, the obituary for Paul Walker on page 67 was added. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:15, 2 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks, sound good... best to be consistent with the other Locus entries you've contributed. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 19:51, 3 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Working on another issue of Locus which also has Terry Bisson's ''This Month in History'' included; can you suggest a better way to list this other than in the pub notes? [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 23:18, 25 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::I knew I'd eventually have to get around to solving this issue. Creating a record for each one seems like overkill to me. What do yo think about just one record per issue, without any pagination? Then we can go back and add the page numbers in the note field of the pub record, and then place the title record into a title series. I'll do an issue and let you see what I'm talking about. What issue are you entering? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:00, 26 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::I did three issues ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?206061 #540], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?206065 #541], and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?206069 #542]). But now that I've entered them as essays, I'm re-thinking that they're really fiction. What do you think? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:11, 26 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::I changed them to shortfiction. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:27, 26 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::I'm currently entering #521.<br />
::::I agree that they're fiction, and glad to see you put them in a series. One record per issue seems fine, although there's a part of me that doesn't care to leave them unpaginated... but if we're putting all the page numbers in the pub note then that works well as a compromise; that's what I did for #555 when I was working in that, I just didn't put a title record in for it.<br />
::::Perhaps a series comment is in order? [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 02:11, 26 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Chapterbooks... ==<br />
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...are container types, such as anthologies and collections. When adding a single story chapterbook, you should also create a record of the content, which is usually a SHORTFICTION record with the same title, by the same author. (If you know the word count, you can give that in the length field. as short story, novelette, etc.) Would you like to update [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?350304 this record], adding the content, or would you prefer that I do it so you can see the results, before and after? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:32, 17 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Ah, did not know that... took a stab at it given your description, let me know if that is correct. Just trying to line things up for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?59409 Locus #492], where it was one of the reviewed titles. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 21:45, 17 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== PKD Bibliography, Revised ==<br />
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I'm thinking the Afterword and Annotator's Note in yours are identical to the original edition, and have merged them. I'm not so sure about the compiler's introduction. Is there anything in it that would indicate the changes in your edition? According to a reader's comment on Amazon, there's only three corrections in the whole book, and that it's a xerographic reproduction of the original. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:28, 18 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm not sure that it's xerographic, but it certainly doesn't seem like much changed at all.<br />
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:The compiler's introduction starts off : "This bibliography attempts to cite all the published works of Philip K Dick through late 1984." Perhaps he just changed the date...<br />
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:The note at the end of the Acknowledgements which I partially quote in the pub note reads : "This printing incorporates a small number of bibliographically important corrections, specifically in items 7-BOOKS (Counter-Clock World), 73-STORIES (The Mold of Yancy), and 141-STORIES (The War with the Fnools), and corrects the dates of the Univers series of French periodicals (actually paperback in format.) It was not possible to retypeset the entire book, so the many items of information about foreign editions which readers have kindly sent in are waiting for some future completely revised edition." [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 22:42, 18 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Author's legal name ==<br />
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I accepted your edit of the author data for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?98233 Manchu], but changed the legal name from "Philippe Bouchet" to "Bouchet, Philippe". The rules are explained [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:AuthorData here]. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 08:38, 30 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks Willem, I'll make note of it; haven't done many Author edits to date. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 00:54, 1 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Before They Were Giants ==<br />
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I added some notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?322486 this verified pub] and changed the publication date from 2010-08-24 (a leftover from Amazon) to 2010-09-00. I'd also like to make "Planet Stories (Paizo)" a publication series (this is #28). Hope you can agree. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 19:42, 2 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:All sounds good to me, thanks. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 21:18, 2 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Also check out [http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5068/5615058895_ee0a41e202.jpg this image]... I'm guessing pre-publication artwork. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 06:07, 3 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Update to ''The Wild Shore'' ==<br />
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I have your submission to update [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?310220 this pub], but malformed HTML in the notes field is not allowing me to accept. I will have to do a hard reject just to get it out of the queue. You can resubmit, but make sure the HTML is correct. Another issue: I see you're changing the page count from 377 to "[6]+377+[1]". Will you be adding content records for the maps? (I have a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49995 second printing] of that edition.) Usually we don't use such notation unless we intend on adding content from unnumbered pages. Of course, you may have added it in your submission, but the bad HTML prevents me from reading anything after "OCLC: " in the note field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:33, 3 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Dammit... I would give my left arm for a "preview before submit" function. Sorry for the gaffe, I'll resubmit. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 03:52, 3 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Yes, it's very easy to make a mistake with HTML. Sometimes I wish there were a better way of linking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:13, 3 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Yes, and unfortunately web design is a large enough portion of my job description that I have no excuses on this one. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 04:35, 3 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::I've since learned that I can resize the pub note window when I'm writing the note, so that I can see what I've typed without scrolling, which is a big help.[[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 21:43, 14 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:As for the page count, there were already entries for the maps, and I had assigned pages to them. But in general I have been adding bracketed-unnumbered page counts for all my submissions. The Help pages in the wiki don't specify that this is a special purpose notation: <br />
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::''Sometimes a publication will have unnumbered pages before page 1. You may record this by entering the count in [brackets]. For example [6]+320 would be a publication with six unnumbered pages and then 320 numbered pages. At times you will need to count backwards from the first numbered page to see which is page 1 and then would count the unnumbered pages that are before this. Likewise, you may record the count of unnumbered pages at the end of a publication. For example, [6]+320+[4].<br />
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:But perhaps it has evolved as such over time? [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 03:52, 3 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Actually, I'm not sure if anyone ''ever'' used it for anything other than adding content for unnumbered pages. Otherwise there's really no value in the effort. Another thing, I wonder why you linked the OCLC record. In most cases, clicking on the Worldcat link under "Other Sites" will lead you directly to the OCLC record. The only time I can see using it is for non-ISBN records, or when OCLC has several records and you wish to link to a specific one. My purpose in bringing this up is not to nitpick, but to make sure you're not taking extra steps that don't reward the effort. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:12, 3 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::I honestly never really noticed the '''Other Sites''' links; didn't realize that they linked on ISBN. I can see where that would be useful, but also (like you mentioned) where there are several records it might be helpful to disambiguate. (For instance the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25521 Grafton MM version of Pacific Edge] I added info to earlier shares an ISBN with the later HarperCollins version with different artwork... ) I must have got the idea from the wiki:<br />
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::::''When a publication appears in Worldcat, it is a good idea to list the Worldcat record number (shown as "accession number" in FirstSearch records). When data is derived from Worldcat as a source, this is essential.''<br />
:::::''The simplest way of doing this is: "OCLC: nnnnnnnnnn".''<br />
:::::''A basic link can be provided like this: OCLC: <a href="http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/12345678">12345678</a>''<br />
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:::I guess in general as I try to learn the ins and outs of the ISFDB I've been following the documentation, erring on the side of whatever listed method provides the most data... [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 04:31, 3 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::That's a pretty good rule to follow. That last bit from the help wiki about WorldCat was definitely written before the "Other Sites" links feature was implemented. I'm sorry the documentation is so out of date and somewhat wonky. I wish I had the time to go through every page and clean it up, but that would take up so much of my ISFDB time that I'd never do any moderating, not to mention working on my own projects. And unfortunately, no one else has taken up the banner to clean up the help documents. Another trouble with making changes in the documentation is that discussions usually wind up with no clear decision, even though what was discussed eventually works it way into becoming the de facto standard. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:48, 3 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::That's OK, I know documentation is everyone's least favorite thing to do. And with all the scripts they've been running for you lately I'm surprised you have the time to moderate. :) <br />
:::::And I guess if I've performed close to 300 edits so far and you guys have only seen fit to slap my wrist 20 or so times the documentation can't be all that bad. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 05:01, 3 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::: Well, we seem to scare off a lot of editors before they've got as far as you. You do realise you're one of our Top 100 Contributors already? [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 22:35, 13 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::::: And it's quite humbling to realize that even having broken the the ranks of the top 100, I've still only submitted 1/400th of what you guys have managed... [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 21:43, 14 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::::: Well, we've been around a bit longer. ;-) I hope you're still enjoying it enough to keep going though? [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 23:27, 14 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::::::: Up to 59th now. I hope your time spent getting a local ISFDB copy working hasn't put you off. And please DO add your comments on the process - the page is so out of date it assumes people are on Windows XP or suchlike. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 22:25, 11 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::Moving on up! And no worries about the local copy, the only way we learn is to leave our comfort zone every once and awhile. I'll add whatever I learned to the Windows install page so hopefully it will be (slightly) less painful for the next person in queue. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 17:18, 13 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::: Please do - as you can see from [[Development#Developers_and_Testers]], we haven't got many people coding or testing. Feel free to add yourself to the list when you think you can help. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 19:21, 13 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Ellipses ==<br />
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At the end of titles, ellipses should be entered as [space][period][space][period][space][period] ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?195808 example]). At the beginning of titles: [period][space][period][space][period][space] ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1231580 example]). In between words: [space][period][space][period][space][period][space] ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?912671 example]). This is spelled out somewhere in the help. (This is in regards to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1284676 this story]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:10, 13 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Sorry about that; it was a direct cut and paste from the website. I'll be on the lookout from now on. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 18:29, 14 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: It's not a major worry, but we did discuss this a while ago and more-or-less decided (in our strange democratic way) that we should go with what the old help said, despite many entries to the contrary. I think Ahasuerus has changing the "..." titles on his "things to do" list, but as individual submissions going through Moderator approval - which would be as welcome as "X, the Y Fairy" submissions usually are. :-/ [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 20:29, 14 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::Does the system perform any "sanitization" of user-submitted entries? It seems like automatically substituting the "canonical" [space][period][space][period][space][period] for [period][period][period] or the ellipsis (U+2026) character in a user's submission for the title would eliminate this problem, at least for new entries. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 21:01, 14 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::: There's very little. The only thing I can think of off-hand is that if a user enters a 4 digit date, then they'll get a warning that it should be in YYYY-MM-DD format, and it will add "-00-00" automatically. But this does sound like a potentially agreeable FR. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:39, 14 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Feel free to add a Feature Request ==<br />
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On another talk-page, you said "It occurs to me from a User Experience stance that the page that is displayed after a submission is made, (which now just typically shows a chunk of XML), could be employed to prompt for some of these types of follow up tasks." This sounds like a good idea, if a little vague: I've added many improvements to the follow-up pages for Moderators, mostly linking to the screens that they ''might'' want to look at next. I'm happy to do similar for any other screens, if you can clarify what's useful. (I get "Moderate submission" and "Return to Viewing" links which suit me, but it's been so long since I couldn't moderate my own submissions that I'm rather blind to what non-moderators might want.) [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 22:25, 13 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:OK, let me think about this and I'll make a few proposals.<br />
:I think the big challenge/opportunity is to try to help the new user start to think like a veteran, which in my mind means thinking through the consequences of a submission. You might think you're just editing a pub, but in reality you're also creating a dozen new title records, author records, review records... and this process is not at all transparent to the casual user.<br />
:Maybe reviews will need linking, titles merging, variants made, primary verifiers will need contacting, etc, etc, etc. But the big problem is that many of these secondary things can't be started until the submission has been approved by a moderator, so there's a certain lag. Anything that can be done to help users navigate this process will ultimately help retain new users and ease the burden on current moderators.<br />
:: Still a bit vague I'm afraid, but I get your drift. We could do things like check whether you've added a new author and encourage you to edit that new author's details, once it's created. Maybe spot whether a review won't automatically link, so you can go find the book reviewed. The delays involved in waiting for moderation will always cause problems, I think, but there must be some types of edit that could be improved. Keep thinking! [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:47, 14 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Well, yes, it's still vague but that's why I said I'd think about it... ;)<br />
:::How difficult would it be to list the secondary records that are also created by an edit/submission? [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 22:00, 14 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::: Fairly difficult. When it comes to multiple records created by one submission, even the ''moderator'' doesn't get easy links to all new records created. If you can read SQL, then you can spot things such as new author creation, but not all moderators are coders - in fact, our top moderator freely admits he doesn't read ''any'' of that "jibberish". It might be wise to reduce those messages - e.g. I just approved one new publication to check how bad it is, and there's 24 SQL statements listed. To update 6 tables. A bit much really: that can probably be done better, although it's useful for newbie ISFDB programmers like me to see those for debugging purposes. But the stuff displayed for non-moderators could be shorter and more useful. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 23:16, 14 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::: OK, what if we take a different tack; the submitpub script already generates the XML, which contains a summary of everything that's going on with a submission, it's just not terribly easy to look at or make sense of.<br />
::::: Could this XML be transformed into something that was more helpful to the end user? For instance, list all the <Author>, <cAuthors>, <cBookAuthors>, <cReviwers>, etc. together; with a label that says "The Following Authors and Artists are being created or linked to as a result of your submission" or some such statement. And likewise something similar with <Title>, <cTitle>, etc. And maybe some sort of encouragement that they should check up on these things later... (ideally some of these things could also show up in someone's pending or recent edits list.)<br />
::::: I'm not sure that if before that XML is displayed, somewhere behind the scenes the system knows which of these authors and titles are going to match/link and which will won't; I'm guessing not (or not until the Moderator has approved it, which is the same thing for this scenario), so there's no way to distinguish at this point what will need more work from the submitter. I also notice the site's search form is using a POST rather than a GET method, so you can't pass search parameters through the URL, so there's no easy way to programmatically create links for them to see if a particular Name or Title is in the database. But at the very least we would be letting users know that's there's more going on with their submission than at first meets the eye. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 18:07, 17 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::: The XML is generated without any checks as to the existence of any new contributors, titles, etc. We've "improved" the ''Moderator'' screens to point out some things like "new author", "new publisher" etc, and we can copy some of that to the post-submission screens for editors if desired. It's a balancing act - we don't want to scare off editors that think XML looks scary, and we don't want to discourage Moderators that can do bibliography but have no coding skills. Long-term, we probably want a user option that effectively allows you to choose simple, normal or "DEBUG!" messages, where you can hide the XML or hide the background checks for new stuff or show all the sordid details. And we've recently discovered that we're not all that good at performance testing, with such a wide variety of test systems. :-( Still, keep the comments coming! [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 19:22, 17 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== KSR's ''Sixty Days and Counting'' ==<br />
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Can you confirm that the ISBN of the Bantam edition is also stated as the ISBN in this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?329306 Easton Press edition]? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:03, 26 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Same situation with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?329719 Fifty Degrees Below]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:04, 26 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Ah... no on both counts. These were some of my first pubs and I think I didn't clean up the clones very well. I've submitted edits, thanks for catching.[[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]]<br />
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== Cygwin ==<br />
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Hi. I noticed your updates to [[ISFDB:Personal Windows Website]], and I thought I'd mention: you don't need to run inside a Cygwin window/shell. I never do. All of those commands work fine from an ordinary Windows command prompt. When (or if) the Wiki speeds up, I will tweak the wording a little to make that clear. Also, if I get a chance tonight (+14 hours), I will see about fixing up the two files that Ahasuerus edited so that the most recent version of the sources will build and run properly. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:15, 15 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Seconded. I didn't even know you COULD have a Cygwin window! [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 16:44, 15 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for the clarification; I just assumed since I had Cygwin open that this was the desired target, but it makes sense that you could run them from Windows as well. I seldom have my Windows command prompt open anyhow, so it's just as easy for me to fire up one over the other...<br />
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::If you can get those files merged that would be great. We currently use Subversion at work, (and I really only ever update one file over and over again) so I'm not really in a position to advise on how to make better use of Tortoise... but if the goal is to have more testers it might be worthwhile to get the branching process standardized. Regardless, keep me posted and thanks for all the help. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 21:26, 15 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::: I don't use Tortoise myself, just plain command-line CVS. And I'm not sure that the goal is to have more testers - although such would undoubtedly be useful. When you look at the backlog of Bugs and Feature Requests, we need more Designers, Developers and half a dozen Ahasueruses (Ahasuerii?) too. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 02:39, 16 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Oh, and what is up with the wiki? Is it the new anti-spam measures that I've seen you guys talking about? [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 21:26, 15 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::Don't know. Might be a database problem.... I updated biblio/biblio.py and common/SQLparsing.py. If you get those and rebuild, the author summary display should work for you again. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:43, 16 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::Thanks, that seems to have done the trick. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 02:20, 16 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::: And I just messed with common/SQLparsing.py myself for an Award bug.... :-/ We can play nicely with each other, honest! [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 02:42, 16 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::I saw that. I didn't alter any of your changes. All I did was pull forward the additions that were removed. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:07, 16 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: Feel free to alter my changes - I'm usually an "incremental improvement" person and there will usually be an even better solution available if someone with more expertise than me cares to take it on. I do appreciate that we have an awful lot of modules with outstanding changes, and I've just increased Ahasuerus' testing backlog by another dozen or so - but if either of you care to put the "Tester" hat on we might help him out. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 18:40, 17 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::Since I'm not terribly familiar with how everything is connected yet, it might be helpful for me to know what I'm supposed to be testing for with the various submitted patches; something along the lines of "new option available on screen X, try submitting pubs of type Y and Z..." [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 13:23, 18 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::: Good point. I'd recommend familiarising yourself with all the "Moderator" options that you can now try locally. If you spot anything wrong there then either it's an existing problem or a new one, and we'd like to know of either. If you want something more specific, look at the "Edit Award Types" under "Moderator Only Links" and create a new award type and try giving it to titles or people. Then moderate them and approve them, or reject them, then look at how the titles or authors appear after the updates. Check how Recent Rejects and Recent Integrations look. Find all the obscure little-used areas of ISFDB affected. Basically, try out anything you can think of - if WE have to tell you what to test then you might concentrate on only the things WE have thought of, and the problems are almost always in something we HAVEN'T thought of. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 23:30, 18 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Gothic Studies ==<br />
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You should give a date or issue number in the title field of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?354800 this pub record] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1296226 this editor record]. You also have the option of placing the editor record into a magazine series. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:26, 17 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Don't know how I missed that... I gave to the review and introduction. Thanks for catching.[[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 14:09, 18 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== FReq 3318609: Artwork status as alternate Magazine Issue Grid display ==<br />
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I gave it a go: <br><br />
[[Image:CoverGrid.jpg]]<br><br />
Is this what you had in mind? I have a nasty feeling that there may be too much stress on our server (and others!) to implement it like that, but if it's really useful we might be able to do it by year, or some other subset. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 20:39, 28 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I like it, but don't see the need to pull images from other servers. A blank one indicates that we need to add one to our server. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:03, 28 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Wow, that's great, it really does capture the essence of what I was trying to describe!<br />
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::My initial reaction seeing the borders in gold makes me think of the unverified issues, so I think we would want to use gold for issues that don't have images so that color doesn't take on its opposite connotation. I took your image and modified it slightly:<br />
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::In this case, imagine white borders indicate ISFDB hosted images, while the dark blue indicate non-ISFDB hosted images. (Using Mhhutchins' suggestion of not displaying the image for stuff on other servers.) Gold indicates an issue we don't yet have an image for yet. <br />
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::It is hard for me to gauge the impact on the servers, as I don't know how often the issue grid pages are viewed. Restricting the years displayed as you suggest may mitigate this.<br />
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::A bigger concern on that front would be the Wiki's ability to create thumbnails from uploaded images; for a magazine like Locus with 600 issues we'd see a load of 90 Mb if each image is being loaded at the full 150 kb and being resized by the browser, vs. less than 400 Kb for thumbnails that are only 75px tall. I can't see your code, so I can't be sure, but I notice that in most places I've peeked, ISFDB is not using resized images or thumbnails, so I'm assuming the wiki isn't configured to create thumbs... is that right? [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 06:01, 29 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::: There is apparently something wrong with the thumb generator at the moment. It seems to create empty directory for thumbs, but it doesn't display them for some reason. I don't know enough about it to tell if it's a configuration issue, but I suspect that it may be. I'll need to dig some more.<br />
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::: Taking a step back, there are a couple of separate problems here. First, our bandwidth is limited. I don't know what the current monthly allowance is, but if we go over the limit we will be either cut off or have to pay more money. The last time I discussed this issue with Al, we were nowhere close to the limit, but if we start serving pages full of images, it may change.<br />
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::: Second, we don't know how it may affect server performance. Our performance is already shaky and adding an extra load may push it over the limit. Linking to other sites shouldn't be a problem since it's their bandwidth that we will be abusing. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 06:57, 29 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::: You could check how badly we (OK, ''I'') abused our bandwidth yesterday - the processing was on my PC but the Images came from live servers. We can relieve the bandwidth problem by compressing the images on the server-side (although I don't yet know how to do so) but that would of course increase the CPU usage charges (if they charge for that rather than just bandwidth) and may affect other users. I'm going to resist further testing in this area for now - it IS rather pretty but I don't want us cut off! [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 07:52, 29 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::: In the meantime, while Ahasuerus checks how far we can go with images, I returned to the original questions: "a) whether an issue had artwork, and b) whether the artwork was hosted by ISFDB". It strikes me that while the Image display should be a permanent feature, if we can afford the bandwidth, missing or non-ISFDB cover images are more suited to temporary Wiki project pages. If people want to know what we need/want scanned, just tell me what Magazines they are happy to work on and I'll create such. Or provide the SQL for such for general use - I've posted such before at [[Talk:Database_Schema]], but we should probably have a proper area for "Useful scripts that you can only do offline so far". [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 17:01, 29 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: If we can get the thumbnail generation/configuration straightened out, that would save a ton of bandwidth, not just on the issue grid but also on any of the pub display and author display pages that are currently pulling full sized images. I would say definitely hold off on implementation until we can serve thumbs. Regardless, looks like most of the groundwork is done should that happen. Thanks, [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 20:27, 29 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Robinson's ''Author's Choice Monthly'' ==<br />
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I've added notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?83400 the record] for this title. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:01, 1 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks; I've submitted updated notes for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?186333 HC version] of this to include the details you mention that match the TP version. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 06:13, 24 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== French KSRs ==<br />
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Made slight modifications to your J'ai Lu titles (mostly made french titles VTs of the english ones per new usage). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 19:27, 17 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks Hauck! [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 06:02, 24 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== La planète sur la table ==<br />
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Conformed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?352275 this pub] to the new multi-language policy. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 13:39, 8 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:And thanks again! [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 06:03, 24 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Red Mars Kim Stanley Robinson 1997 -> 1999 ==<br />
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There is a mistake with the publication year in this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?355021 pub] (1997, not 99). I correct it. [[User:BarDenis|BarDenis]] 17:47, 17 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== "Red Mars", by Kim Stanley Robinson ==<br />
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I added a note to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?355021 verified 22nd printing] of this book, that this edition did include the solar panel discussion of re-charging the batteries on pp. 196-197. This is relevant to the discussion on the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1330 Red Mars title page], where the story has been added about Robinson correcting a scientific error in the original version. Previously, the range as to when this was included was listed as "between the 15th and 25th printing"; that was narrowed somewhat to say "between the 15th and 22nd printing". [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 22:25, 13 June 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks Chavey, I'm the one that left that note on Red Mars, but I guess I had forgotten to update it. Hopefully one day I'll be able to pin down the exact printing where the change first appears. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 06:01, 24 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Identical images ==<br />
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Re ''2312'': If two publications have identical cover art, there's no value in uploading a file for each book. It's better to upload one image, and then link it to the two records. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:46, 26 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:And three times is even more unnecessary. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:49, 26 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Make that four times. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:52, 26 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Well, technically there are ''tiny'' differences... :) <br />
::But I catch your drift and will desist of such practice in the future. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 05:56, 26 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Page count is not the same as pagination ==<br />
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It looks like you're trying to enter the pagination in the page count fields in several of your latest updates. For instance in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?382367 this record]: "x+561+[5]" indicates that the last roman-numeraled page is "x", the last arabic-numbered page is "561", and then there are five unnumbered pages at the end. But your notes say that there is an acknowledgement on page 563 and an author bio on page 565. So the last numbered page must at least be "565". [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:03, 26 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Ah... sorry, was building off of Stonecreek's original notes on the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?351053 Orbit US edition]. The pages in question do not have page numbers, so the page count fields are correct, but I will amend the notes to reflect that the Acknowledgements and About the Author sections are on unnumbered pages. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 06:10, 26 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Entering a translated publication ==<br />
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You should ''not'' enter a translated publication under the original language title record. It will take three more submissions to fix it: <br />
#Unmerge the publication<br />
#Change the language of the new title record<br />
#Variant the new title record to the original one<br />
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If you just use the "Add New Novel" function, it will only take one more submission to variant it to the original title record. Please consider this method when adding a publication for which there is not a current matching title record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:32, 29 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Cloned the other Minotauro edition to create this record, which was submitted during the pre-language field era, so it didn't exist as a variant already unlike the Dutch edition I had been working on previously... I'll be sure to double check that in the future. Sorry to create more work. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 04:54, 29 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Primate in Forest (From Chapter One: Fifty Degrees Below) ==<br />
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Can you confirm that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?881876 this record] is titled "Primate in Forest (From Chapter One: Fifty Degrees Below)" on its title page and not just "Primate in Forest"? If the latter, the source should be given in the note field, not the title field. We use the "(excerpt)" disambiguation only in titles that are identical to the work from which they're excerpted. Thanks. 05:01, 29 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:I haven't picked a copy of that up yet, but it looks like I can perform a transient verification from the public library down the street. Will update if needed once I find something out. It also seems odd to me that this excerpt is listed as part of the Capital Code series; shouldn't it just be down in the short fiction with the other excerpts? [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 05:11, 29 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::If it's a self-contained short story, there's no problem with it being part of the series, even if it was later incorporated into the novel. If it's an excerpt, there's nothing technically wrong with it being in the series. I don't think there's a rule that prohibits it, but I personally would not place it into the series, even though editors do it quite often. According to the Locus index, it was presented as an excerpt from a novel-in-progress, even though it was first published in this form a month or so after the "novel-in-progress". (It also should be typed as SHORTFICTION without a length designation, if it's an excerpt.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:34, 29 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::OK, have the book in hand now.<br />
:::The title page does have <br />
:::: '''Primate in Forest''' <br />
:::: (From Chapter One: ''Fifty Degrees Below'')<br />
:::but the bit about the excerpt is not in bold like the title, in a smaller font, and on a separate line. Neither the Table of Contents nor the Running Page Headers list anything beyond "Primate in Forest". My inclination is to ditch the qualifier and just leave the bit in bold. Or am I just interpreting the evidence to suit my own prejudices? Any thoughts? [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 01:45, 1 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::::I agree with you about dropping the subtitle. You can always add a note in the title record concerning the subtitle. In the long run, it's between you and any primary verifier. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:25, 2 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::::OK, I appreciate the input. I've already left a note for the primary verifier, so I'll see what their opinion is before initiating any changes. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 06:19, 2 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Geschöpfe der Sonne ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?394787 this publication]: you've included a NONFICTION record in a COLLECTION record. Any nonfiction work included in a larger work should be typed as an ESSAY. The NONFICTION type is reserved for a stand-alone published work. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:22, 30 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:That is something I believe I knew at one point... I've got some re-learning to do it seems. :( [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 02:42, 30 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Territories ==<br />
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Like nature, I abhor vacuums. So I did some research to find out who was the editor and publisher of ''Territories''. And found [http://www.sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/territories this article] on SFE3. After adding the data (and sourcing it), I discovered that Erich Zann was the editor and publisher of issues 2 and 3 (based on your verifications). So it appears SFE3 is lacking information as well. Hopefully, some day a primary verifier will come along. Thanks for adding the stub records. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:14, 31 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for that; I noticed your addition after you approved them and it makes me wonder since SFE only lists Gibson as an editor (and my two issues clearly list Zann as editor) if perhaps Zann might be a pen name for Gibson. <br />
:I haven't turned up any evidence to support this, but it might make sense since Erich Zann is a character in a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?41880 Lovecraft story]. There's also a note in the subscription info to explicitly not send checks made out to Erich Zann in issue #3, and Zann is only credited with the editorials and reviews and never with the essays or interviews... <br />
:Finally, it strikes me as odd that there's nothing else in the ISFDB by [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?132142 Zann] except the items that are attached to the Territories issues I entered, even though his ISFDB author number is 4000 or so lower than the newest entries in the system, so it presumably was a pre-existing empty record before I entered in my issues yesterday.<br />
:All speculation of course, but still... I wonder. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 05:36, 31 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::You know, the idea that Zann is a pseudonym never occurred to me (I don't read Lovecraft). But your theory presents a strong case. A little more research might bear some strange fruit. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:16, 31 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::: I don't read Lovecraft either, but it was the first thing that popped up on Google after searching. He has an email address listed on his blog, I'll just cut to the chase and ask him. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 06:59, 31 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Poems in Les Martiens ==<br />
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Hello, I took the liberty to vt two poems (_Je dis au revoir à Mars_ & _Couleur canyon_) directly to their "mother" titles instead of being vts of vts. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 16:29, 31 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Ah, thanks! I was unaware that such variant chains could be created! [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 01:04, 1 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== License tag for the file of the unknown signature image ==<br />
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I added a license tag to the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Orbit-gold-coast-sig.jpg image file] you uploaded of the unknown signature for the Orbit edition of ''The Gold Coast''. If we ever identify the signature, we can update the artist's name. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:10, 4 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:So that was done using the "Sig Image Data" template? And does that automatically add the Artist:unknown Images and Artist Signature Images categories to the image as well? [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 20:39, 4 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::I see you beat me to updating this... thanks! [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 07:14, 22 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::I missed your first response, so: yes, adding a license tag to most images will place them into various categories. And I adjusted it after I saw that another editor had identified the artist. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 14:28, 22 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Mars la rouge ==<br />
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Hello. I took the liberty to change the artist credit for your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?349169 here]. A doubt was nagging me as Didier Thimonier is frequently credited for french book club edition, but for covers that are not his (he's likely the designer). In this case, the cover is indeed by David Hardy, as shown in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?307445 this pictorial book] on page 40 & 41 under the title _Terraforming Mars_. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 12:23, 11 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Ah, yes, it's [http://www.astroart.org/index.php/solar-system/inner-planets/mars/156/61/prints/solar-system/inner-planets/mars/P-terraforming-mars here on his website] too. Thanks for catching that! [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 18:43, 11 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Glimmering'' ==<br />
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What was the source for the date of the author's notes in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?370514 this publication]? Usually, the date of the contents is the same as the publication date if this is the content's first publication. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:08, 13 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:That was the date given at the end of the Notes; I could have sworn I had read something about that being proper procedure, but rereading the Help section (and the fact that you're questioning it) leads me to believe I should change it back to 2012... [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 03:00, 14 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::OK, I've submitted a correction and added the date in the book as a pub note. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 03:03, 15 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Robinson's ''Roter Mars'' ==<br />
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First, thanks for adding additional and better information to ''2312''! Second, based on the information on Don Dixon as being the cover artist for ''Roter Mars'' I'd like to drop the other two 'artists': Carella seems just to be miscredited and 'Atelier Ingrid Schütz' doesn't seem to have done more than to design the image of the publication series. Would that be okay? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:32, 18 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:I think that would be fine, as long as we included these details in the publication notes. It's funny that all the American printings of ''Red Mars'' with the Dixon artwork crop his signature off the bottom, but the German one includes it even if they don't give him credit... [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 21:52, 19 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Yes, that'd be the preferred way of doing it for me, too. I'll take the steps and change it. Thank you. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:46, 20 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Heyne Jahresband Science Fiction = Heyne Science Fiction Jahresband? ==<br />
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Hi, I also own [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?395694 this pub] and have put it into a title series. But in my copy 'Jahresband' and 'Science Fiction' are interchanged. Is a change OK with you?<br />
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In addition, I think it'd be better to state 'First edition, first printing' in the notes (instead of 'First German printing'), since it is an original edition.<br />
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And furthermore, I tend to give the original story titles for the illustrations. After all, they normally don't have any language adhering to them and could be used in any language edition, while it remains the unchanged piece of art. In fact two of the illustrations (by Jim Burns, whose I already merged with the original, and Gary Freeman) had an original English publication (and it may pop up that John Stewart's illustrations have that also as background). What do you think? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:58, 20 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:You are correct about the title, thanks for catching it!<br />
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:As for 'First edition, first printing', I was going for a more literal interpretation of 'Deutsche Erstausgabe'. Perhaps 'First German edition, first printing' would be a good compromise, since that's what's stated, and then a note indicating that the anthology is an original German edition? <br />
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:The illustrations... I think this might be something that needs to be discussed in the Rules and Standards area. I know for me at least I seldom have access to other variants of the artwork to verify if in fact they are the same, so I tend to leave them titled as the stories they accompany, because for all I know they could have been recycled from any number of sources. But I also get what you're saying about illustrations not really having a language (although there are a few exceptions, like maps) so if it would be easier all around to leave the original language title in place then that's fine by me if that's what people want to do, since in most cases those are derived titles anyhow and not actually present in the pub. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 15:17, 20 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::An illustration should be the same title as the story it illustrates. If it's determined that it's also a reprint of an earlier story with a different title (whether it's a different language or not), it can be made into a variant of the first known use of the work. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:29, 20 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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Just added the month of publication and a note of its source. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:55, 22 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Image license ==<br />
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I added a license to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:User-albinoflea-self-portrait-triplicate.jpg this image] crediting you as the author and copyright holder. If you want to change it to your real name, feel free to do so. You can also add any restrictions to it by editing the page and entering them after the "Details=" line of the template. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:42, 23 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks, I think that what you've done should about cover it. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 00:44, 24 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Schöne nackte Welt'' ==<br />
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Hello! I added the month of publication for this book (accompanied by a note). Judging from p. 2 and the title of the title story I also changed the title to 'Schöne nackte Welt' (from 'Schöne Nackte Welt'). Thanks for adding this BIG anthology! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:32, 29 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for the correction! [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 03:39, 30 August 2012 (UTC) Added a cover scan too. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 06:52, 30 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Fine! Somehow I like this artwork. I corrected a typo in the title story and its accompanying interior art - it's 'freiwilliger' instead of 'freiwiller'. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:45, 4 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== IASFM 35 ==<br />
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Thanks for adding this item. I have found the pub. month and changed title and publication accordingly (with an exploratory note). I also put it into a title series. And I modified the title: added '. Folge', the variant in fact stated on the title page that I also overlooked so far. Sometimes you have to look on other submissions to see your own mistakes. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:52, 5 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Galileo's Dream'' ==<br />
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Have replaced the cover scan for Kim Stanley Robinson's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?289120 Galileo's Dream] with another file that was already in place for your verified tp version. It does not display a large sticker on the cover, as the previous file did. Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 09:03, 16 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:OK, thanks. There are some extremely minor differences between the placement of the tagline at the bottom between the two versions, but not I suppose significant enough. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 07:22, 22 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover artist for the UK eds. of Robinson's ''Icehenge'' ==<br />
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I believe it's the same art that was used on the first Tor paperback edition, which is credited to John Harris. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:38, 16 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:I found confirmation that the art was done for this edition. See [http://www.alisoneldred.com/imageJohnHarris-Originals-1-828.html this sketch] and [http://www.alisoneldred.com/imageJohnHarris-Originals-1-714.html this painting] on his website. The sketch has its original purpose described, and dates it 1985. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 21:02, 16 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::MartyD is correct, and his evidence is the same I would have proffered. This artwork was used for the Tor PB and Orb TP editions in the US, and the Orbit PB and McDonald HC in the UK. (Although it may have been slightly recolored towards a cooler palette on the Orb editions.) I'll add the credit and notes for these pubs. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 23:54, 16 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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Hello, I just primary(2) verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?331259 this edition of Icehenge] and would like to propose a change of publisher to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?177 Orbit / Futura], based on the stating of Futura on title page and backcover. What do you think of it? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:23, 17 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, I agree. I'll submit the change. Thanks! [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 06:45, 19 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover artist for Robinson's ''Gold Coast'' ==<br />
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Hello, Albinoflea! I think I've found the cover artist you looked for: see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?58999 here]. I remember (correctly, I hope, I'd have to dig that issue out) that it even was presented as cover art for Robinson's novel. Would you like to add the information and variant the IZ cover art? I can do that for you, if you are too occupied. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:42, 20 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Excellent detective work! I've submitted the pub edit and when that goes through I'll work on the cover art. Thanks so much! [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 07:04, 22 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::It wasn't much work of a detective. Instead Michael had triggered me looking up the verification page for older requests that I had missed during my vacation (he had just declared that he had put older requests into the archive) - once I had seen the art it was quite easy to point a finger at it. <br />
::I liked the cover art back in 1989 and remember that I had set my mind to see someday to obtain Robinson's ''The Gold Coast'' with this art: so thanks for bringing that to my attention after all these years! [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:35, 22 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::Well then, if not excellent detective work, then an excellent memory!<br />
:::I'm just curious, does this artwork illustrate a different story in the magazine? It seems strange that they were both issued so close together. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 04:12, 24 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::::No, it most definitely didn't illustrate any story in IZ #30. I think they got the right to use it as cover image but had in turn to give the source and did this way some advertising for Orbit. There were a number of covers for IZ around that time done in that way. <br />
::::On the German edition of ''The Gold Coast'' (and others by Kim Stanley Robinson): Would you like to enter these someday by yourself or would you appreciate someone else doing it - could be me, for example ;-) . [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:54, 24 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Thanks for the info on IZ #30. Now I'll have to find a copy.<br />
:::::I've been slowly acquiring the German KSR editions, and I've submitted most of what I own so far with the exception of a few more anthologies. So feel free to enter anything that needs entering... I'll be happy to do secondary verifications when I can get my hands on them. :) Thanks! [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 02:07, 25 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Der Drachenheld ==<br />
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Hello! I've just accepted [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?400135 Der Drachenheld], but I had to change the pub series and the name of the editor. You completely misspelled his name. Thanks! [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 13:07, 11 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks Rudam! <br />
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:The pub series is actually listed as Heyne Science Fiction and not Heyne Science Fiction & Fantasy on the title page, so I was only following what was listed. I've entered in several other books from the Heyne Science Fiction & Fantasy series, and they all explicitly list the full series name as you've changed it. Did the series change its name over time? If so, perhaps I should make a note in the pub record; it doesn't seem that there are note fields for Pub Series the way there are for Title Series.<br />
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:As for the editor, I don't recall what I entered, but it is possible I mistakenly entered Rainer Michael Rahn (credited with Redaktion) rather than Ronald M. Hahn (credited with Zusammengestellt). Then again, I may have misspelled something. Either way, thanks for catching. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 07:08, 12 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::It's no fault of yours, you correctly followed the name on the title page. In this case it's not a changing of the series name, but it seems more an abbrivation of the series name.<br />
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::FYI: You've entered Rainer Michael Rahn (Redaktion means 'editor') but Ronald M. Hahn compiled ('zusammengestellt') the anthology. Thanks! [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 08:08, 12 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::: I've just verified the pub too and made some further modifications. I translated 'Deutsche Erstveröffentlichung' into 'First german edition' and modified the title of Bishop's story. ''Every'' word of the title starts now with a capital. [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 08:49, 12 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yet [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:PublicationFields:Title the case rules] require that two of those words not be capitalized. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 14:04, 12 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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BTW: for some reason I can't explain, the language of the contents defaulted to English. You'll have to correct the language to German for the title records of each content. Can you recall the steps your took to add the pub record to the db? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:52, 11 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:One obvious explanation would be that I forgot to change the language to German when I submitted the pub... this seems more likely than some sort of sinister bug in the code. Regardless, I don't recall doing anything different than what I've been doing. I'll go ahead and submit the corrections to those title records; thankfully there aren't many. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 07:08, 12 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
::: Quick question - did you know you can now set your default language for new publications? And change it as many times as you like within one session without having to relogin, if you're multi-lingual? (If I coded it right and Ahasuerus implemented it right, of course: I haven't tried it out on the live server due to my mono-lingual status. I know English, and can get by in American, Canadian, New Zealandish and Australian, but I'm not really a linguistic expert.) But I'd really like to know if that new feature has been noticed, even if it's not actually appreciated. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 07:55, 19 January 2013 (UTC) <br />
:::: Excellent news! I haven't made any edits for a little while, but I have a few new acquisitions (French, German, Turkish) that should put this feature to good use. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 04:15, 22 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:: I just added the month for this anthology. And for the interchanging of Rahn and Hahn: for some time I thought that Rainer Michael Rahn was a pseudonym for Ronald M. Hahn to hide editing difficulties with his job at Ullstein, so that one could have happened also to me. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:38, 22 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Chronicles of Bustos Domecq'' ==<br />
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Can you check to see if the publisher as given on the title page of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?294123 this record] is "E. P. Dutton"? I've started to separate those books published after the publisher became an imprint of the Penguin USA Group as simply [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?193 Dutton], when previously it had the full name of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?587 E. P. Dutton]. I'm assuming this 1979 edition gives "E. P. Dutton" as the publisher. Because it's been primary verified, I've not updated the record, but am asking you to do so, if the publisher as given in the record can not be confirmed. Another possibility is that this is published as "A Dutton Paperback", which was an imprint of E. P. Dutton. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:35, 9 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:It is E.P. Dutton under the Dutton Paperback imprint as you indicate. I've gone ahead and fleshed the record out. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 05:14, 11 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Science-Fiction Studies #37'' ==<br />
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Added a cover scan to your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?289787 verified pub]. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 07:35, 19 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Excellent, thank you. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 23:48, 21 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Entering translated publications ==<br />
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I accepted the submission adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1563105 this variant title] to the database, but if a translated title is not in the database, we recommend that your create the publication record first. After it is in the database, then make its title record a variant of the original language title record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:14, 21 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for the clarification. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 23:49, 21 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Maps in ''The Years of Rice and Salt'' ==<br />
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I'm not sure if it adds much value to the record to have separate content records for each of Ward's maps. In most cases in the db, even in other editions of this very title, there is only one content record called "Title of Work (maps)". [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:25, 22 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Hmmm... I get the feeling that we've had this conversation before, or one very similar to it... maybe with respect to maps from Antarctica or The Wild Shore? And I had some odd reasoning that in the end you begrudingly agreed had some small degree of merit. Can't seem to find it searching on the wiki though. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 04:51, 22 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::I can never find anything searching on the wiki! I still find very little value in this, unless an edition is published which omits some of the maps. A question: why are you varianting the titles instead of merging them? Aren't they the same maps or have the locations in the Hungarian versions been translated into Hungarian? And the titles and artist credit of the records are identical. We only variant if the title or author credit is different. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:43, 22 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::Yes, the place names in the Hungarian version have been translated into Hungarian (see my pub note), so I assumed in this case a variant was in order and not a merge. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 05:54, 22 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::So shouldn't the Hungarian maps have the title of the work (''A ricz és a só évei'') they illustrate instead of the English title? If they'd been entered that way, there would be no question that they would have to be varianted. I'll accept the submissions to variant, but you will have to go back and change the titles of each of the records. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:22, 22 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::One more thing: the English versions have the wrong date. They were first published in March 2002. We don't use copyright year for dating records. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:24, 22 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Yes, good point about the titles. I'll go back and list those in Hungarian. And I'll fix the dates on the English version.<br />
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:::::Found our earlier conversation: [[User_talk:Mhhutchins/Archive/2012May-Aug|User_talk:Mhhutchins/Archive/2012May-Aug]].<br />
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:::::And also this: [[Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive09#Added_map_entry_instructions|Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive09#Added_map_entry_instructions]] [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 06:30, 22 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Looking back at those discussions, I find nothing substantial has changed in my attitude, although this situation is slightly different. Back then we were talking about uncredited maps. Here we're talking about creating separate content records for each map. This is similar to a person creating a separate content for each illustration of a novel. For example, more than 80 records for the illustrations in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?187849 this novel]. That's an extreme example, but it points out that multiple content records for essentially the same work are allowed but, as I said, add no substantial value for the effort. Still, I've come to the same conclusion that if an editor wants to make that effort, and nothing forbids it, I'm not going to reject the submission. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:10, 22 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Yes, the situations are different... I suspect the fact that this was a transient Verification made me want to be as thorough as I could, since I may have difficulty putting my hands on it again. Regardless, thanks for indulging me and helping me get things straightened out. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 05:26, 25 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Goldküste'' ==<br />
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You entered [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?410317 this record] under the wrong title record. If you have to change the pre-loaded title or author of a work then you've used the wrong function. In this case you should have used "Add New Novel" instead of "Add Publication to This Title". You'll have to unmerge the pub record from its title record, change the language of the new title record, and then variant the new title record to the original English-language title record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:49, 22 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Looks like I explained this to you [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Albinoflea#Entering_a_translated_publication before]. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:51, 22 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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You'll have to fix [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?410318 this record] the same way. It will take three submissions to do this, as I explained above. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:54, 22 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:<Facepalm> Yes... yes you did. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 05:57, 22 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Foundation, #38 ==<br />
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Hello, I added some notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?293928 this], and I also did a splitting of the respective essays of Silverberg and Aldiss & Shaw - varianting the essays by Silverberg to their original source. The summation of the essays by Aldiss & Shaw into one item would imply a collaboration, which wasn't the case. In fact, those essays might be published separately. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:44, 24 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Oh, and I also added two more editors, put the page count in magazine context and put Robinson's item into the ''The Profession of Science Fiction'' series. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:48, 24 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Excellent, thank you! [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 05:20, 25 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::You're welcome! I also did a similar update for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?293971 Foundation #40]. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:30, 26 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Infinity Plus One'' ==<br />
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I've added further notes for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?82368 this record] and have made some other changes in the record. Even though it gives July as the date on the copyright page, both the publisher's website and Locus1 give the month of publication as November. I also changed the price from £45.00 to £60.00, based on the publisher's website (Locus1 gives the first price). Since mine was a presentation copy from one of the contributors, I don't know how much it actually cost at the time of publication. Does your copy have a printed price? Also, is the limitation statement pasted to the front loose endpaper of your copy? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:14, 28 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I bought mine secondhand two years ago, so not sure how much they originally sold for wither. My copy (which I've just noticed is wrapped in two dust jackets?) has no price listed, and as you indicate with your copy, the limitation statement is pasted down to the front endpapers. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 06:53, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== 60 jours et après ==<br />
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Hello, I've taken the liberty to change the title from _60 Jour et après_ to _60 jours et après_. Hervé [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 20:32, 6 April 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for catching that! [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 02:23, 7 April 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== SFX ==<br />
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I've edited [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?424048 this publication] to follow ISFDB magazine entry standards, adding the date of the issue to the title fields of the publication record and its editor record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:51, 22 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Thanks, got interrupted while entering this and came back to it later. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 06:10, 22 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== NYRSF #300 ==<br />
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I've had [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?427488 this] sitting in my inbox for a couple of weeks. Thanks for creating a record for it. I've made some changes based on the standards specific to this periodical. I also made the K. S. Robinson essay into a variant instead of a merge. because the titles differ. If the original publication doesn't have "Introduction" in the title, and have identical titles, please feel free to unvariant the two and merge them. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:57, 10 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Always glad to assist even if is only a drop in the proverbial bucket. <br />
: Looking at them both I agree that a variant is in order for the KSR essay, so I will leave it as is. Thanks. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 06:01, 10 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Publisher check ==<br />
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Can you see if Spectra alone is credited as the publisher on the title page of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?289441 this book] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?332490 this one]? Most books from the Spectra imprint are entered as "Spectra / Ballantine Books" (starting in 2009). Thanks. for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:57, 25 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I have double-checked and updated the records. Thanks for pointing this out. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 06:37, 18 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Das wilde Ufer'' ==<br />
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I added the month to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?352386 this publication] of the novel. Would you like to be informed about additions of the month in the future, or is this of no major concern for you? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 20:00, 9 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:No, this is helpful; I am not territorial but it is good information to have. :)<br />
:Is ''Das wilde Ufer'' reviewed in Science Fiction Media #26 or is it just mentioned as a new release? [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 01:04, 10 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Sorry for the late answer. I just saw your question today. Probably there's only the list of reported new books. Are you interested in german reviews of Robinson books? There'll be probably not too many, because at the end of the Eighties there were fewer and fewer sf magazines in Germany, and that was the time when publication of his books was quite constant. (The ones from this century see only seldomly a german translation, alas.) [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 18:14, 10 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::Yes, I am interested in German reviews, or any reviews for that matter. Last month I found [http://www.chpr.at/buecher/r/robinsob.txt this site] which was very helpful, but imagine (like any site) it is not entirely comprehensive. <br />
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:::Things seem to be improving somewhat; ''2312'' was published by Heyne and they are already working on a translation of ''Shaman'' as well. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 02:03, 11 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::::I sought my copy ''Science Fiction Media #26'' and found that there's also a review of ''Das wilde Ufer''. Are you hunting for the different publications or would you like to have scans of the reviews I have (or would it be sufficient to add the respective publications I have to ISFDB)? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:38, 11 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::::I would very much appreciate scans of any KSR reviews you may have, and also of the covers of the issues they were published in. Entering them in the ISFDB would be helpful to a wider audience (and I see you have already entered issue #132) but I know how much work that can entail.<br />
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:::::One day I would love to own copies myself, but my wantlist is very long and keeps growing longer... [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 22:06, 11 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::::::So, I'll see on which reviews I can lay my hands on (and which of them are scannable: if the review is in the middle of a volume of ''Das Science Fiction Jahr'' this may prove to be difficult without damaging the book.) For covers: I'll install some stub records that'll enclose the covers where suitable; most of 'Science Fiction Media' have no cover art whatsoever, but start right away with informational text on the cover/p. 1, this changed somewhen after 1991, from which time I have only very few issues. <br />
::::::Will JPGs do, and what's your e-Mail address I may send the scans to? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:54, 12 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Thanks, my email address is stephen.fernie@gmail.com and JPGs will work fine. I have a few volumes of ''Das Science Fiction Jahr'' and I think I can get the ones I don't have without too much trouble, so no worries on that front.<br />
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:::::::I really appreciate this and if I can ever return the favor, please let me know. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 19:59, 12 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Okay, the scan worked for ''Das Science Fiction Jahr 1994'' & ''Das Science Fiction Jahr 1998'' (I'll send them soon), but I have some trouble to locate ''Das Science Fiction Jahr 2003''. Do you already own that one? <br />
::::::It seems that a typo crept into [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?395165 Flucht aus Kathmandu]: the cover and the review all show Katmandu (without the 'h'), so what does the title page say? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:23, 13 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Most of my copies of ''Das Science Fiction Jahr'' are older; I do not have the 2003 volume. Thanks for the others!<br />
:::::::I will have to check on the ''Flucht aus Kathmandu'' spelling when I get home, both on this volume but also in ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?396373 Schöne nackte Welt]''. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 19:25, 13 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I have verified that the spelling is Katmandu for all instances of the collection and novella that I have a copy of, so the error must be mine. I have submitted corrections; thanks for catching this! [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 01:29, 14 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: I have found that the two german publications of the novella constitute separate titles after all (because they feature different translations). This is the main reason to state the translator in the title record: even when you have matching titles in all other regards the difference shows when trying to merge titles. <br />
:::::::: More scans will be on their way across the ocean soon. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:45, 14 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::Excellent point. I suppose I should unmerge the titles to reflect the differences in translator.<br />
:::::::::My research shows that the novella was also included in ''Heyne Science Fiction Jahresband 2000'', but I do not have a copy to verify if this is the Uwe Anton or Edda Petri version (or possibly even a third version), although I assume if it is by Heyne it would be the Petri version reprinted.<br />
:::::::::Thanks for the second batch of scans! [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 03:59, 15 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I see you beat me to to the unmerge and record cleanup, and have even entered in some of the reviews. Thanks again.[[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 04:07, 15 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::I was able to find a source that attributes the translation of the 'Heyne Science Fiction Jahresband 2000'' version of 'Flucht aus Katmandu'' to Edda Petri. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 18:06, 18 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::: I'll try to take a look into the matter. I hope to get hold of two more relevant issues of 'Science Fiction Times' soon. And regarding your question on the fanzine ''Blizz'' please take a look [http://www.storisende.net/sa-fanzines.php here]. Also, [http://www.sf-hefte.de/Autor.php?id=Schmidt&id2=Dieter&id3=T this site] lists some of the contents (if you scroll down a bit). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:18, 19 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::: Yes, I can verify that it is the Edda Petri translation from 1987. The book is in the pipeline for entering. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:35, 19 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::: As you might have seen, I verified the Bastei Lübbe paperbacks that I have, added some notes to them and put the cover image for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?351705 Pazifische Grenze] up. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 20:01, 19 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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[unindent]Thanks for the information on Blizz; I knew there was an interview with KSR in one of the issues but wasn't sure which one, but from the links you gave me it looks like #18. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 02:33, 28 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== "Me in a Mirror" by Robinson ==<br />
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Can you confirm that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1181710 this] is fiction? It's part of an essay series published in ''Foundation'' and reprinted as an introduction to a bibliography of this work. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:22, 23 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Yeah, that's a weird one. It's the story about how he meets an alternate ego of himself (named "Kim", while he goes by "Stan"), possibly from the future, in the reflection of a mirror in his dorm room at UCSD, and how this alternate ego dictates all of his stories to him. There is quite a bit of dialogue between the two. It is, in essence, a creative writing response to the question "Why do you write Science Fiction?" <br />
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: ''Me in a Mirror'' does have some autobiographical bits in it, but I would say it falls pretty clearly into the fantasy camp. It reminds me a bit of the last two-thirds of the introduction to ''The Planet on the Table'', which is a fictitious conversation between Stan and the James Joyce statue in the cemetery in Zürich. If it wasn't for the first part of this introduction, which is a more traditional discussion of the stories and a thank you to his teachers and editors, I'd say it clearly deserves a fiction category as well.<br />
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: ''Me in a Mirror'' is also in the short fiction section of the bibliography in PM Press edition of ''The Lucky Strike'', which is uncredited in the book but which Stan compiled himself. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 03:25, 24 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::It's a non-fact/fictional essay, or a facetious fiction. Since there's no such category currently in the db, even though there are hundreds of such pieces in the database (almost all "in-universe" introductions and essays would fall into that category), it's up to the subjective opinion of the entry editor. For example, in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1617575 this piece], an alter-ego of Michael Bishop drudges through the jungles of South America to find the alter-ego of Rhys Hughes. In [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?118654 this piece], the ghost of Mary Shelley visits Bishop in Pine Mountain, Georgia. In [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?125799 this one] the author describes his funeral. I typed all as ESSAY, even though they're clearly not fact. But the pieces had purposes other than to tell a story. That was why I typed them as ESSAY. It seems clear, just from your description, that the Robinson piece has a similar goal. I'll leave it as your decision to classify as is. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:22, 24 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::: I notice it is the only entry in the series that isn't listed as and Essay, so if you'd like to change it for the sake of consistency I don't have particularly strong feelings about it. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 17:32, 28 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Red Mars ==<br />
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Hi. My copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251073 this record] has 671 numbered pages, not 668. Is yours different ? It also contains an uncredited map of Mars (p. 8-9). Couldn't this be noted in the record ? Thanks. [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 16:54, 10 March 2014 (UTC).<br />
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:Hello, thanks for catching this; I acquired a large group of UK paperbacks of KSR's novels a few months ago, and while I verified them I did not always edit the records. I suspect the information in the original record was taken from Locus or Amazon; I have updated it and added notes. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 03:11, 12 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::OK, thanks ! [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 09:04, 12 March 2014 (UTC).<br />
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== Afterword to ''Green Planets'' ==<br />
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I see no point in disambiguating [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1713511 this afterword], as the title is rather distinct. (Unless you think the same title is going to be used again for an entirely different piece.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:40, 27 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, I went back and forth on that myself; I was worried that someone might think it was the Afterword to a book entitled ''Still, I'm Reluctant to Call This Pessimism'' without further context. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 01:45, 27 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Paraspheres'' ==<br />
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I accepted your edit for your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128821 Paraspheres], but both the new and modified content contain the title "Why Fabulist and New Wave Fabulist Stories in an Anthology Named ParaSpheres?", which doesn't sound grammatical. Is there a missing "are" in there somewhere? Thanks for checking. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 01:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for the check-in, but that is the title verbatim from the book (although ParaSpheres is italicized, which isn't supported within titles in the DB.) [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 04:45, 7 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Change of publisher for Seventies and Eighties incarnation of ''Foundation'' (?) ==<br />
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Hello. To my amazement I found the notion 'published (...) by North East London Polytechnic on behalf of the Science Fiction Foundation' on the copyright page of all issues of ''Foundation'' that I have from #4 onwards; it has to be determined which is the last issue that has this notion (#69 and the following issues have only 'Science Fiction Foundation' as publisher). After [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Mhhutchins#Publisher_for_Foundation this question/answer] I changed the publisher to 'North East London Polytechnic' for #s 4-36. Before proceeding, would it be okay to change this field accordingly for your verified #38 & 39? Sorry, that I overlooked that you verified these two, otherwise I would have asked you also in advance. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:06, 8 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: I am a verifier for #38, (but not #39) and I agree that it makes sense to update these, so feel free to change them.<br />
: I can also narrow down the range somewhat; #54 still lists the 'Polytechnic of East London' (perhaps the school changed names?) while #68 lists 'Science Fiction Foundation'. I haven't entered #54 into the DB yet but will go ahead and do that. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 04:17, 9 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:PeteYoung#Change_of_publisher_for_Foundation_.2337.3F here] for what may be a definitive reply from one of Foundation's editors. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 07:36, 9 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::Excellent... nothing beats going straight to the source. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 20:52, 9 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Foundation 1992 editor records ==<br />
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I accepted the submission to merge the editor records into [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1547559 one record] before I realized that the editors are different. Please confirm that your pub credits both persons as editor. I will ask the verifier of the other issue to see if his editor credit is correct. We may have to unmerge them. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:37, 10 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for catching this; I've commented on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:PeteYoung#Foundation_.2356 Pete's page]. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 04:45, 22 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== 1995 World Fantasy Program Book ==<br />
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I'd like to make a few additions to the ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?148 21st Annual World Fantasy Convention — 1995]'' program book. I'd like to add the Eshbach essay beginning on page 35. I'd also like to add items for the interior illustrations throughout. Let me know if you agree. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:02, 13 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Hi Ron, go for it. I must have missed the Eshbach essay when I entered in details, although the original record was already there when I went to verify it. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 05:32, 22 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== A Short, Sharp Shock ==<br />
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As our Kim Stanley Robinson expert, could you comment on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Verification_requests#A_Short.2C_Sharp_Shock this discussion]? Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 19:13, 18 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks, I have commented, and will try not to let the "expert" bit go to my head. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 05:33, 22 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Varianting ''SF Chronicle'' editor record ==<br />
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The editor record crediting "Andrew I. Porter" was properly varianted to the author's canonical name {{A|Andrew Porter}}. This is standard ISFDB practice. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:40, 28 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Ah... okay. I guess I was terribly confused. Marty's comment seemed to indicate that no clean-up had been done; so I went to initiate the title merge and then just saw the variant without realizing that was an indication that the title merge had already been created.<br />
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:I suppose that it is an odd case as well, since the Editor records for SF Chronicle seem to have been created as placeholders for Award records, so the name variant isn't really based on conflicting publications. It seems very strange that I'm the first person to perform a primary verification on any of these issues.[[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 20:41, 28 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::Sorry not to have responded sooner, but I missed your original response. Yes, they were just placeholders because either no editor had copies of this magazine or chose not to create records for them. I subscribed for a year or so back in the late 80s or early 90s, but found that the news was pretty much the same as I was getting from Locus, which had better coverage of new releases and better reviews. (Somehow Don D'Ammassa's reviews just didn't fulfill my needs.) So I didn't renew my subscription and stuck with Locus. I wish Porter had put all his efforts into Algol/Starship, which I had discovered only after it had died. One day I might pull out those issues of SFC and enter them... It's just low on my list of priorities. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:16, 26 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::Okay, that makes sense. Most of the content is really newsy, so I can see why editors may not be keen to slog through entering in a run of them. I've picked up a few stray issues here and there which I will probably get around to entering once I get through my current stack. I tried to pattern the naming of what I assume to be regularly reoccurring SFC columns and features after your entries of Locus issues, so hopefully that will save some work later on. <br />
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:::Just about everything I discover has been dead a long time... sigh. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 05:59, 26 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::::You'll have to elaborate on that last statement! It sounds...intriguing. For readers of speculative fiction about the future, isn't it strange that we look back to the past with such reverence and nostalgia? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:34, 27 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::::I suppose since I only started actively collecting about 4 years ago, there are huge swaths of content I am only now coming aware of... especially magazines, fanzines, and anthologies. I discovered Algol/Starship quite by accident digging through a stack of magazines in a used book store ''just two months ago'', and by the time I discovered SF Chronicle even it had been gone for 7 years.<br />
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:::::Conducting my KSR "research" has also demonstrated to me how much more fragmented things have become now that so much is digital, and although things are (potentially) more discoverable, they also disappear at an astonishing rate. Trying to track down interviews from the late 90s/early 2000s that solely appeared online is really disheartening... [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 06:38, 27 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Walotsky's "Bridges" ==<br />
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I'm holding your submission to create a new parent for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1744794 this record] which is identical to the variant. What is your intention with this submission? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:07, 26 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:So I was attempting to make it a variant of itself? I can't really see what my I did from my pending submissions page, but I'm guessing I must have pasted from the wrong page. I meant to Variant it to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?150950 Cover: The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction, October-November 1992]. I've canceled the original variant submission and re-submitted. Thanks, [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 05:36, 26 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::Here's how this could have happened (and probably did): you entered the parent record number in the upper half of the variant form, but clicked the submit button for the bottom half of the form, which is for creating new parent records. It wouldn't be a variant of itself, but a variant of another record which would be identical. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:44, 26 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::I see, interesting. I don't think I've ever knowingly used the bottom half of the form. <br />
:::Does this happen often? I wonder if we could build some sort of validation into the form, so that if you enter something into the top form but click on the bottom form button you get an error or maybe a confirmation page before the submission is added to the queue. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 02:54, 27 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::::According to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/topcontrib.cgi?16 "make variant" statistics] you've used that function 406 times. It's strange that none of them have been to create a new variant, only to variant to an existing record. I'd say I've used the bottom one at least ten times more than the top. <br />
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::::: That's interesting. I suppose since my focus is primarily on KSR, most of the parent titles already exist in the DB and I spend most of my time simply adding additional variants to them? [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 01:50, 8 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::::To answer your question: no, it doesn't happen that often. Quite rarely indeed. I've only seen it done maybe a couple dozen times in all of my years of moderating (and I've moderated more than 100,000 submissions from other editors!) Even so, your proposal for a warning sounds interesting. Not being a software person, I couldn't say how or if it could be done. Why not ask our software man, Ahasuerus? He should be able to tell you if it's possible. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:32, 27 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::::: Well, the easiest thing to do would be to split the current Web page into two: one for "turn this title into a variant of an existing title" and another for "turn this title into a variant of a new title". Internally, the current page is already a mash-up of two separate data entry forms, so moving them to two separate Web pages would be easy. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 21:54, 27 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: Hmmm... but then wouldn't you need two links from the Editing Tools section? And "Make This Title a Variant Title or Pseudonymous Work" is already pretty lengthy. <br />
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:::::: I wonder if an even easier solution might be to align the two functions of the form side by side rather than one above the other? You could make the instructions for "Making the following title a variant title of the specified parent" and "If the parent title does not exist, enter the title information below to create it" bold and in a larger text, and separate them with a vertical line. I think that way it will be clearer that the form serves two functions, and when you scroll to the bottom for the submit button it would be more intuitive to click the button at the bottom of the column that you just entered data into. <br />
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:::::: Some sort of form validation might still be better at intercepting accidental self-parenting variants, but seeing as Michael says it's a rather rare I'm thinking that a change in layout might suffice. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 01:50, 8 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== The Anthology of Speculative Poetry #4 ==<br />
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In your verified {{P|354065|The Anthology of Speculative Poetry #4}}, the short story on page 6 is {{T|1292330|Phoenic'}}. There is another verified record for {{T|1457122|Phoenic}} without the apostrophe. That is contained in a later publication but has the same 1980 date. I wanted to double check the ending apostrophe before making the later a variant. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:41, 24 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Hi, thanks for looking into this; I can confirm that the trailing apostrophe is present in all occurrences of the title: at the beginning of he story, in the table of contents, and on the front cover. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 03:43, 25 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== NONFICTION ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?186893 this record]: a collection of essays is typed as NONFICTION. The ANTHOLOGY type is reserved for fiction. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:46, 29 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Okay, thanks for the clarification.<br />
:Should I be worried that the container publication isn't highlighted in yellow, or does that not happen for NONFICTION essay collections? [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 00:53, 29 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::No. The system doesn't differentiate if a NONFICTION record has no content records or a hundred. Technically, NONFICTION isn't a container. It's similar to a NOVEL. When you're editing a NONFICTION (or NOVEL) record, you have the option of editing the title reference (displayed in the content section), but only if there is only one publication associated with the title. Otherwise they would be "greyed" out. You can't do that for a record typed as ANTHOLOGY or COLLECTION, even if there is only one publication associated it. They are technically "containers", and their title reference is "yellowed" out to prevent an editor from changing it in a pub update. You can add contents to NOVEL and NONFICTION records. Heck, you could even add SHORTFICTION contents to either one! That doesn't make them containers. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:31, 29 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:::I get what you're saying, but I'm not sure I voiced my original concern correctly. <br />
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:::Since this particular NONFICTION record is essentially an anthology of essays, the original NONFICTION entry is functioning as a container, by which I mean when I go to edit the pub record it has its own entry, but there is no page number assigned to it and it does not appear on the pub's public facing display. So something in the software seems to be identifying it as special and is suppressing it. But in edit mode the entry is just floating with all of the other added ESSAY entries in alphabetical order. That just seems odd to me.<br />
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:::For a NOVEL, sure, I have added INTERIORART, ESSAY, POEM and SHORTFICTION entries as appropriate, but when you do this to a NOVEL the doesn't the NOVEL entry itself display in the public-facing contents listing? Or is that only when you add a page number to the NOVEL entry?[[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 05:52, 31 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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::::I can only surmise that's the way the software was designed to handle it. It doesn't seem smart, at least to me, to display a NONFICTION publication's title reference whether it has other contents or not. It could have stemmed from the fact that NONFICTION was originally intended to be a single full-length work, and not a container. When it was adopted as the type to use for collections of shorter nonfiction pieces, it continued to use the same display logic. <br />
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::::The display of a NOVEL record's title in a NOVEL-typed publication record seems to be the right thing to do, but only when there are other contents to display. Without other contents, then it's useless to display the novel's title record. Again, I didn't write the software, but I agree the choice to display one (NOVEL) and not the other (NONFICTION) was a good decision. <br />
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::::And no, a novel's title record will display when there are other contents in the publication record, even if you don't add a page number to the novel title record. There are thousands of examples of that throughout the database. <br />
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::::And yes, I agree that in the edit mode, the display of the NONFICTION title record might seem strange. Perhaps it would be better if it didn't "float" between the contents, but be set at the top of the contents section. Strangely, this has never been brought up by any other editor, and I've never even thought about it. Feel free to bring it to the attention of Ahasuerus, or point him to this discussion. Perhaps he has a better explanation of how and why the title records of different types are displayed in edit mode and in display mode. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:56, 31 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Das Orakel vom Berge ==<br />
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Hi. I made several additions to your primary verified record of PKD's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?405104 Das Orakel vom Berge]: artist, pub series, pub series # and some notes about the printing and page numbering. [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] 20:25, 6 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks! [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 19:08, 11 October 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Italian currency ==<br />
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The Italian lira is entered as, for example, "9,000 Lit". I reverted the changes you made to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?418655 this record]. This standard was set many years ago when Ernesto Vegetti started entering Italian publications into the ISFDB. See [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1933 this pub series] as an example. While there was a transition period when both currencies were stated, after 2002, all prices for ISFDB records should be entered in Euros. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:17, 28 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks, I wasn't aware of that and was recording the prices as listed on the item. Is it worth documenting the standard for Italian currency and/or Euro transition on the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Price Price Field documentation]? [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 16:56, 28 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Yes, it is, and it should have been documented at the time the standard was created. I'll do that now. Thanks for the heads up. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:14, 28 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== SFBC edition of ''Galileo's Dream'' ==<br />
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Can you check [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?304633 this publication] to see if it has an ID number? It's usually in a white box on the back of the dustjacket. If it does, that should be the number in the ISBN / Catalog # field. When I created this record (and most of the records for the SFBC editions), I was entirely at the mercy of the printed catalog. The number printed in the catalog didn't always match the ID printed on the book itself. Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:37, 29 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Sure thing, I just submitted an edit with the appropriate ID number. Thanks, [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 03:49, 29 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Science Fiction Chronicle ==<br />
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Touching on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Mhhutchins#Locus_Obituary_series this conversation] and [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Vornoff#Science_Fiction_Chronicle_editorials this one], as PV of one issue of SFC you might have some input on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Vornoff#Science_Fiction_Chronicle this one]. Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 07:13, 29 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks, I've commented on Doug's page. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 01:22, 31 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I've since added [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?501958 SFC #81] and left some more discussion points on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Vornoff#Science_Fiction_Chronicle Doug's page]. Cheers. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 23:19, 8 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::Neither Albinoflea nor Vornoff have chosen to enter the issue number in the title field of the issues they've entered. Since it is prominently given on the front covers, perhaps a discussion should be had before the remaining issues are entered. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:43, 8 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
::::Hi. Ive edited the cover title pages on #134 and 143 to agree with the changes made in the pub's titles (adding the #'s after the comma) Doug / [[User:Vornoff|Vornoff]] 08:29, 4 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Thank! [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 03:48, 5 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Creating publications "to prevent a dangling review" ==<br />
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This should only be done if the publication itself is eligible for the database. (As all of the publications you've created for this reason.) Otherwise, make the review into an ESSAY. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:58, 17 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I see you've done that for the latest record for an issue of SFC. Thanks. That leaves one review without a link: ''Brother Death'' by Philip George Chadwick, which I'm not sure is an eligible title. Perhaps the review lets you know if it's spec-fic. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:01, 17 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks, I always try to use my judgement when adding these, and SFC seems to review a fair number of items that aren't in the DB yet, and I'm certainly rejecting more titles now than I would have when I was a new editor and attempting to be more inclusive.<br />
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::''Brother Death'' was actually written by Steve Perry, so I've corrected the entry. I accidentally closed my browser tab while entering the remaining reviews, and when I went to redo my work I must have conflated it with ''The Death Guard'' that was reviewed immediately before it. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 04:07, 17 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Shadow of the Mountain ==<br />
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re: {{T|959348|Shadow of the Mountain}} in your verified {{P|15413|Ghosts, Spirits, Computers and World Machines}}. O'Neill has another story titled {{T|48415|The Shadow of the Mountain}} that has multiple verifiers. Would you mind checking if your publication indicates a previous printing and these should be varianted? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:10, 1 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:I've checked both the Prime Books edition and the Imaginary Worlds edition; in the Prime Books edition, the title is missing "The" on the Table of Contents, the Acknowledgments, and the first page of the story; in the Imaginary Worlds edition, it is present on the TOC but not on the first page of the story. The story begins (in both editions): "The muggy predawn darkness of the heavy jungle..." <br />
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:The Prime Books edition lists the original publication of the story in '''The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction, 1985''', so I suspect we can make one a variant of the other. Thanks, [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 21:47, 1 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
::Varianted. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 23:42, 1 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== 21st Annual World Fantasy Convention — 1995 ==<br />
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Can you confirm the credit for the art on page 79 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?148 this publication]? Is it Hannibal "Kink" or "King"? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:08, 6 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:It is Hannibal King; I've submitted an edit. Thanks, [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 03:27, 6 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Fragment ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1841921 this title]: Fragment implies an unfinished work. Is that true in this case, or is it simply an excerpt from a larger work? Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:50, 2 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:It is listed that way on the first page of the story in the magazine. Apparently "fragment" in Romanian can be translated as either fragment or excerpt; and in this case I don't think the [https://nemira.ro/senzoriada full work] was published until July 2014, so at the time of this issue's publication it might have qualified as unfinished. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 17:00, 2 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I would suggest not using the disambiguation which would cause confusion, but giving "fragment" as a subtitle: "Senzoriada: fragment". A [https://books.google.com/books?id=CPQdAgAAQBAJ&pg=PT61&dq=Senzoriada+%28fragment%29+Cristian+M.+Teodorescu&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ux8eVb7vCIbRgwTwioBA&ved=0CB0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Senzoriada%20(fragment)%20Cristian%20M.%20Teodorescu&f=false Google search] shows the subtitle is in a smaller font, thus necessitating the use of the colon. That way, whether it's a true fragment or an excerpt doesn't matter. The ISFDB record reflects the title as published. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:08, 3 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::Good call; I've submitted an edit to use a colon instead. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 19:48, 4 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Peter T. Garrett or Garratt ==<br />
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Can you confirm the credit for the reviewer on page 64 in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?59052 this record]? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:01, 28 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:It is Garratt. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 01:59, 1 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Painting of a Domed City ==<br />
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Hello, I was browsing through some messages when I came across a message on[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Verification_requests#The_Hugo_Winners.2C_Volumes_One_and_Two this thread]. Unfortunately the two links provided tell me that the "picture is no longer available" Might all be for nought but I do have a large collection of SF art portfolios as might the style/signature. Drop me a line on my talk page please, thanks. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 08:02, 17 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Many thanks for getting back to me. I had a good look at the artwork - and what a really nice picture it is - very truquoise and green. It's just a shame that I can't identify the artist, style or even signature. It's not like anything I've seen in any of my 50+ art portfolios or even on the net (places like 70s Sci Fi Art or The Vault of Retro SF on Facebook). I hang my head in shame at being the bearer of bad news. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 17:41, 3 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::I took a peek at the image, and it really looks like something created by a street artist I watched a few months ago in Reading, England. The technique and end result look very similar to things he created in 5-10 minutes using a box of enamel spray paints, a few cardboard stencils and a spatula. May I ask where you found this? [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 00:43, 4 June 2015 (UTC) [Pasted from my talk page --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 16:10, 7 June 2015 (UTC)]<br />
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== A Short, Sharp Shock ==<br />
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Hello, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?519718 this publication] appears on a Cleanup report as it doen't have any content. Can you add it? Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 13:19, 15 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks, taken care of. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 21:06, 15 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 10:32, 16 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Pb edition of ''Green Mars'' ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?348178 this publication]: What do the extra pages given in the page count field refer to? We normally don't give a page count for unnumbered pages unless we create content records for any substantial text which may appear on them. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:18, 8 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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Same question about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?331921 this record] and any others which you may have entered that have the extra pages in the page count field. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:20, 8 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:These date back to some of my early editing... before I had a grip on what to include. I will go back and clean them up. Thanks. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 01:39, 13 July 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Starshore Summer 1990 ==<br />
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Hi Albinoflea! Regarding your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?274661 Starshore Summer 1990], I have noticed that this issue gives a specific date of publication (1990-04-17) whereas the other issues in this series only give year and month. Curiously, how was that date arrived at - does that appear in the publication itself? Anyway, regardless of the source, all the title dates should be updated to match the pub date unless you know that any title was previously published before this issue of Starshore. Just a couple of other things - On page 10 there should be artwork associated for the story "Spaceships in the Desert". If this is so, then the story title page should also be page 10 and not 11 as currently stated in its record. Also, for John Grey's poem "The Fish on Molybdeum", there's an outside chance that it might be spelled as 'Molybdenum' (n added). Can you verify that? Thanks for checking on these issues. - [[User:Syzygy|Syzygy]] 17:46, 4 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: Well, that takes me back... it may have been the first magazine I entered into ISFDB. So, to answer your questions:<br />
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::a) I had a hard time figuring out where I got that date from as well, but it turns out my copy is a review copy that includes a letter dated 3/7/90 saying that the issue was going on sale on 4/17/90. The only month listed on the issue itself is in the masthead, which mentions April 1990. I will update the records accordingly.<br />
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::b) Yes, my pagination is off for the beginning of Spaceships in the Desert. I have updated that as well.<br />
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::c) As for the poem, it is spelled that way both on the page and in the table of contents. The word doesn't appear in the poem itself other than the title, but it sure seems like a typo.<br />
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:Thanks, [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 02:53, 9 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
::Whether it's a typo or not we may never know; title stays as is. Thanks for updating the rest of it. - [[User:Syzygy|Syzygy]] 17:27, 9 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Science Fiction Chronicle ==<br />
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Hi, Albinoflea! As a contributor in adding isues of the above, you might be interested in [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Vornoff#Science_Fiction_Chronicle_-_Series_project this discussion]. Thanks, Doug / [[User:Vornoff|Vornoff]] 06:00, 8 August 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Missing data in primary verified records ==<br />
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Please add the publication format/binding data missing from the records of publications which you have verified. The publication records are linked in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?86 this clean-up report] under your user name. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 19:36, 13 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks, updates submitted. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 20:24, 13 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Nowa Fantastyka, #158 Listopad 1995 ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?537873 this publication]: Is the piece by Bujold on page 25 correctly typed as a serial? If so, it should be titled in this format: "Title (Part X of Y)". Also, don't forget to variant it (and others in this publication) to the original language title records if applicable. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:00, 15 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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A little Googling shows that the piece is part 3 of a 6-part serialization of ''Falling Free''. I will make the necessary changes to the record and variant it to the original title. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 00:03, 15 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for taking care of this; I hadn't gotten around to the varianting but wasn't aware of the Part X of Y part for Serializations. Still have some work to do on the reviews too. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 01:16, 15 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Escape from Kathmandu - Pub. date note ==<br />
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Just a line to let you know that I added a short Pub. note to this book [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?218757], to give the Locus1 confirmation of the month of publication. [[User:Astrodan|Astrodan]] 22:27, 15 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks, appreciated. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 02:22, 16 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Moderator? ==<br />
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Would you be interested in becoming a moderator? Even if you choose to be one just to handle your own submissions, I believe you're more than capable of doing that. You're won't have to moderate other editors' submissions unless, or until, you're ready to do so.<br />
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Here are [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Moderator_Qualifications the qualifications] in becoming a moderator, and I believe you're very well qualified to be one. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 23:41, 30 September 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for the vote of confidence; I would be happy to be nominated, and if approved, start learning the ropes. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 02:20, 1 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:: The moderator flag has been set. Congratulations! :-) [[Help:Screen:Moderator]] is usually a good first step. Much of it is obvious, but some sections like "AuthorMerge" and "Moderating Automated Submissions" contain information that you may not have seen before. There are certain other options that you will have access to that you didn't have in the past, e.g. the ability to change publisher names and merge publishers. Most importantly, don't hesitate to ask questions! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:22, 6 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::Thanks! I will do some reading and try my best not to do anything rash. :) [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 21:20, 6 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::Congratulations! If you have any questions, we're here to help you. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 01:18, 7 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Thanks! Where would you recommend that I start? [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 01:49, 7 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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::::::The Fixer AddPubs are pretty simple to handle, so they would be a good place to start. Most of the data comes from Amazon, so it's in fairly good condition. A few things to look out for: 1) If it's an OMNIBUS or CHAPBOOK, you have to manually import the contents from another pub of the same title. Don't worry about COLLECTIONS for now. 2) Keep an eye out for Moderator Warnings (in bright yellow). Most of them are innocuous, but the one about the Date field is important. You may have to correct the date of the title if Fixer found an earlier publication of the title. You always have the option to check the records of the secondary sources that are linked in the lower section of the submission form. <br />
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::::::I highly recommend that you check the secondary sources for human editors' NewPub submissions, until you get an idea of each editor's personal quirks. For NewPub submissions which are primary sourced, just a quick scan of each field should be fine. <br />
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::::::Handling editors' submissions for title or pub updates should be fairly easy, but make sure you keep an eye on the warnings about the records being primary verified. <br />
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::::::Author data updates shouldn't give you too much trouble. Just make sure that the fields use the proper format, especially the Legal Name field. You don't have to worry about date fields anymore since the editors get a warning for bad formatted dates. Keep an eye on the birthplace field, even though there's a clean-up report which finds invalid birthplaces. <br />
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::::::The most important thing is to let a submission sit in the queue if you feel uncomfortable about handling it. If you're not sure, place it on hold and question the submitter or ask one of the moderators on the Moderator noticeboard. Just handle those submissions that you feel comfortable with or those that aren't "destructive" to data, i.e. editing a pub record by replacing or removing data. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 06:44, 7 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Congratulations! Our first new moderator in more than two years! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 18:41, 7 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Blue Mars - pub notes ==<br />
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I've added some detail to pub notes in your PV2'd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?396263<i>Blue Mars</I>], on artist accreditation and the map. [[User:Astrodan|Astrodan]] 14:08, 20 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks, looks good, I appreciate it. I've gotten a bit slack with entering the maps... [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 04:49, 3 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== The Wild Shore - maps in Content ==<br />
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I added the two maps from the unnumbered pages at the start of the book to the Content section of your PV1'd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?212577<i>The Wild Shore</I>], and amended the 'Pages' count to allow them to have page numbers. Let me know if you would prefer otherwise. (I note your particular interest in KSR.) Thanks, [[User:Astrodan|Astrodan]] 15:26, 20 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: See my note above about maps... :)<br />
: I went ahead and added | adjustments to the to the new map numbers so they sort before the novel content; see the last bullet point of the documentation here: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PubContentFields:Page PubContentFields:Page]. I also merged them with the other entries for the maps in the DB, since the early UK and US editions used the same maps. Thanks! [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 05:04, 3 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?539474 Green Earth] ==<br />
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I have added the unnumbered pages following the end of the novel and some notes. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:02, 7 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
: Looks good. Thanks! [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 21:49, 7 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== K St R interview ==<br />
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Much to my surprise there not only are interviews with and on the usual suspects one would think of seeing the book's title, but also one with Robinson in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1323916 The Gothic Imagination]. It was conducted in 1993 and is appropriately put into Chapter Four (dealing with Mars). Thought you might be interested. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 19:10, 2 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks Christian! That collection turned up for me at one point while searching Amazon but I have yet to pick up a copy. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 22:37, 17 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Mike Glyer's MAGICON: THE 50TH WORLDCON ==<br />
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Hi! I've asked a question that involves one of your verified pubs [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Mhhutchins#Mike_Glyer.27s_MAGICON:_THE_50TH_WORLDCON here] on Mhhutchins/talk page. Thanks, Doug / [[User:Vornoff|Vornoff]] 04:08, 18 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Michael R. Whelan ==<br />
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The titles credited to "Michael R. Whelan" in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?561867 this publication] need to be varianted to the canonical credit. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 08:06, 6 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks, I had started creating variants but got interrupted. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 03:11, 7 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Held submissions by Purplehousepress ==<br />
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Because the submissions are by a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Purplehousepress new editor], I suggest that you accept them and made the necessary changes based on current ISFDB standards. Then post a message on their talk page explaining each of the changes that you made for the records to comply. It's very likely they haven't even found their talk page yet. That's why I always email new editors to let them know that they need to check their talk page. (Here's [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Mhhutchins#Email_message_to_new_editors the message] I send. You can use it or modify it if you'd like.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:07, 18 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Sorry, I see they haven't provided an email. Strange because it's required to open an account. I can never figure out how that can happen, and no explanation of how it's possible has been satisfactory. So I recommend that you accept the submissions, make the changes, and notify them on their talk page. Among the problems are that one of the titles exist and they used the wrong function to add a new publication. Also, the ISBN-13 should be ISBN-10 if the dates are right. I suspect the dates are wrong based on the Amazon listing. Also, the currency symbol is missing, the binding is incorrect, and the cover image is linked to a non-permitting website. Also, the capitalization in the titles is wrong. In other words, almost every field will need to be corrected. I suggest using secondary sources like Amazon to make the corrections. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 18:12, 18 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Yeah, it's a mess. I was going to use your template (thanks for having those all posted, by the way) when I encountered the missing email and just left it on their Talk page, which seemed less than ideal, but I didn't want to just charge in and start fixing things right away. Now that it's been a week, I guess it's time. I'll start digging into it tonight. Thanks, [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 21:11, 18 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Planeta sobre a mesa, Kim Stanley Robinson ==<br />
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Hi, i´m primary verifying some books of the series 'Ficção Científica' from publisher 'Caminho'. I noticed you had primary verified 'Planeta sobre a mesa' fom Kim Stanley Robinson, and i would like to ask you if you agree with two changes. <br />
First: I usualy entered the titles in the database as they are printed in the books, and by this i mean that I respect the capitalizacion of the words in the title. In this case is 'Planeta sobre a mesa' and not 'Planeta sobre a Mesa'.<br />
Second: This is not a change but concerns in adding a note in the note field. In my copy, and you can verify in yours if happens the same, the title in the title page is wrong, or saying it more precisely, is shorter. Only 'Planeta' and not 'Planeta sobre a mesa' is printed. I know that usualy is the title printed in the title page that counts, but in this case is an obvious print error.<br />
So, these are the two changes that i sugest, as you are the primary verifier of this book i think i should have your agreement to make them. Thanks. [[User:Wolland|Wolland]] 20:24, 25 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for bringing this to my attention. <br />
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:As to your first question: Please feel free to correct the capitalization; I am not familiar with the rules for title capitalization in Portuguese so I suspect I capitalized them according to the more typical ISFDB English rules.<br />
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:Regarding the title page: I agree a note is in order. My copy says 'O Planeta' on the title page, 'O planeta sobre a mesa' in the copyright statement, and 'Planeta sobre a mesa' on the spine, front cover, and back cover. Is your copy missing the 'O' on the title page? Thanks, [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 05:44, 28 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::My copy is exactly as you described yours, i missed the 'O' in the title page, sorry. About the capitalization there isn´t real a rule for title capitalization in portuguese, it changes from book to book, that´s why i generaly enter as it is. In this case though i´ve some doubts now, once it misses the 'O' in the cover and spine, and in the title page is only 'O Planeta'. The correct title must be as it is in the copyright statment. I saw in the number 65 of this pub series, in the list of publicated titles, and this book appears as 'O Planeta sobre a Mesa' with this exactly capitalization, and also in page 5, in the Introduction when Robinson is refering to the poem of Wallace Stevens, the same capitalization with the 'O' is used. And as this is the most correct translation of the original title, being the 'O' the equivalent to the 'The'. So my finaly sugestion would be 'O Planeta sobre a Mesa'. If you want to make the changes once you have moderator privileges, and it wiil be faster, go ahead. Thanks. [[User:Wolland|Wolland]] 18:25, 28 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::Okay, that's the outcome I was contemplating as well. I've gone ahead and made the change. Thanks, [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 02:19, 29 March 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Green Mars, Blue Mars ==<br />
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In July 2015 you wrote on my talk page, asking me two questions regarding Kim Stanley Robinson's two novels "Green Mars" and "Blue Mars". Because you probably have stopped monitoring my talk page, I thought you would like to know that I now have answers for you. 1) [[User_talk:Herzbube#Green_Mars|Answer to "Green Mars" question]]. 2) [[User_talk:Herzbube#Blue_Mars_3rd_Printing|Answer to "Blue Mars" question]]. Cheers, Patrick -- [[User:Herzbube|Herzbube]] <sup>[[User talk:Herzbube|Talk]]</sup> 21:17, 6 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Possible Typos 10-Apr ==<br />
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Here is a possible typo:<br />
* appreication - {{T|1791697|Kim Stanley Robinson: An Appreication}} in {{P|488740|Norwescon 30 Program Book}}<br />
Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:04, 10 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Yep; fixed it. Thanks![[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 02:43, 12 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Best Fantasy Stories from the Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction ==<br />
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Found an image URL for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35662 this pub]. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 12:10, 15 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks! [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 03:25, 19 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Best Fantasy Stories from the Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction ==<br />
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Added notes and cover scan to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35662 The Best Fantasy Stories from the Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction].[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 05:29, 16 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Looks good, thanks! [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 03:26, 19 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Lucky Strike'' notes ==<br />
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I added an LCCN link to your verified {{P|293049|The Lucky Strike}}. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:38, 9 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks! [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 04:20, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Font normalization in Romanian ==<br />
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Hello ! As some Romanian characters are being normalized in this db (Ş / ş / Ţ / ţ becoming official Ș / ș / Ț / ț, as per [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Ahasuerus#Murky_comma_versus_cedilla_business_in_Romanian this exchange]), this affects Marian Truţă's name in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?509448 your verified], which has become Marian Truță's. Thanks ! [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 08:16, 13 May 2016 (UTC).<br />
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: Excellent, Thanks! [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 02:52, 15 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::For the same reason, a few minor changes in some titles [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?509615 here] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?509448 here]. Thanks. [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 10:38, 3 June 2016 (UTC).<br />
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== Disch's ''A Child's Garden of Grammar'' poems ==<br />
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I've been working on indexing Disch's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?326 A Child's Garden of Grammar], and several of the non-genre poems have been combined into single entries in various issues of ''Asimov's'', eg. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?59263 November 1991], for which you're a verifier. To match the records to their appearance in the above collection, these combined poems would need to be separated, eg. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?192899 From: A Child's Garden of Grammar - The Present Tense, Epitaph for the Past Tenses, The Future Tense] would need to appear separately as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2013647 The Present Tense] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2013648 Epitaph for the Past Tenses] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2013649 The Future Tense]. I'd like to add these individual records to the issue of ''Asimov's'', if you're in agreement as a verifier – [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rkihara#Disch.27s_A_Child.27s_Garden_of_Grammar Rkihara] and [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Hauck#Disch.27s_A_Child.27s_Garden_of_Grammar Hauck] are OK with changes I've already made to other records for this series. Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 13:04, 8 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm all for it. Thanks! [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 14:03, 8 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Slovakian and Polish transliterations of KSR works ==<br />
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Hi, I am working on transliterations and almost all of the Slovakian and Polish titles by KSR that you had verified need transliterations. Do you want to add these or are you ok with me getting them added? Thanks [[User:Anniemod|Anniemod]] 08:44, 19 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:I'd be happy for you to add the transliterations. Thanks! [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 15:31, 19 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: OK - you should see these trickling down slowly as I work through the page in the next couple of days - not just these two languages but anything Eastern and Central European that may need it :) [[User:Anniemod|Anniemod]] 21:00, 20 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::Thanks so much, I really appreciate it! Let me know if there's anything you need from me. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]]<br />
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:::: No, I think we are good with those. I think I got them all - if you see anything I missed, give me a shout. :) [[User:Anniemod|Anniemod]] 04:11, 21 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Great... I think I have a few more Polish magazines to enter; when I get around to them I will let you know. Thanks again! [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 04:14, 21 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Forty Signs of Rain ==<br />
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i was thinking of adding <br>Acknowledgments (Forty Signs of Rain)<br> <br />
About the Author (Forty Signs of Rain) <br><br />
i know items such as this are kind of grayish, what do you think? thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] 17:00, 1 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks; responded [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Gzuckier#Additions_to_Forty_Signs_of_Rain on your Talk page]. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 19:14, 3 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Science Fiction Chronicle ==<br />
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You have verified some issues of Science Fiction Chronicle. FYI - I've created a wiki page for general information and entry (non-)standards. It's located under magazines or [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Series:Science_Fiction_Chronicle here] <br />
:[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 20:48, 7 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks, I'll take a look. I only have a couple of issues, but I think entered some of the first into ISFDB and inadvertently wound up setting precedents. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 15:59, 8 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?440352 80年代SF傑作選〔上〕] ==<br />
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I submitted author name changes to how they are credited in Japanese so all of them will be like Zelazny's and Gibson's entries. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:14, 24 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
:Excellent, thank you! [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 03:24, 28 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Russian translations of Kim Stanley Robinson's works ==<br />
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FYI, your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?2470 verified Russian translations] of KSR's works have been changed to comply with the new standard for non-Latin author names. The author name has been changed to "Ким Стенли Робинсон". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 22:39, 30 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Great, thanks for the head's up. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 00:43, 3 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Solaris, Été 1989 ==<br />
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Hello, please note that all the items in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?588536 this publication that you entered] are tagged as being in english (which is likely not the case) perhaps because you kept your default language. They also do not respect the french capitalization rules (Capital only on the first word and proper nouns). There is also one unlinked review (I've linked it now). Can you have a look at it? Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 06:07, 10 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Ugh... thanks for pointing out the language issue; it must have set to English as my default like you say, but the Title level record probably switched to French when I merged the Editor records. I've gotten those fixed now.<br />
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:As for the capitalization, that's what I get for copy/pasting from Noosfere. :( <br />
:Hopefully those are all fixed now as well, but if you notice anything amiss please let me know. <br />
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:I was also just looking at the documentation on the Wiki and I don't see anything about proper capitalization rules for any language other than English either on the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:EditPub Help:Screen:EditPub] page or the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_enter_foreign_language_editions How to enter foreign language editions] page. It seems like it should be mentioned or linked from one of these pages... do you know if it is somewhere else I'm not looking?<br />
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:Thanks, [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 23:32, 12 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== "The Monster in the Mirror" ==<br />
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A while ago, you verified a transient book as ''The Monster in the Mirror: Gender and the Sentimental - Gothic Myth in Frankenstein''. However, I am looking at the same edition and the title page reads "Sentimental/Gothic". All right with you if I change that? (I am also going to add the table of contents to the notes.) --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha77]] 00:30, 30 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:That should be fine; I will have access to the book tomorrow when I get back to work, so I should be able to check on it then.<br />
:If I recall, for this series most of the books already had stub entries, and I just scanned the covers and uploaded them. It's possible that I didn't catch the punctuation discrepancy. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 00:40, 31 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Finally had a chance to check in on this; the slash is correct. Thanks for catching this. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 00:55, 8 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Complete Novel ==<br />
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Hi. I added a comment [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:MOHearn#Frankenstein_Lives_Again.21_.28Complete_Novel.29 here] to MOHearn's topic on The New Adventures of Frankenstein, and wanted to ask you about your comment as I'm not getting something. It looks to me like the editor has added the NOVEL Frankenstein Lives Again to the MAGAZINE New Adventures of Frankenstein. I've always been under the impression that when doing so, you treat the novel as a SERIAL and instead of appending (Part X of Y), you append (Complete Novel) to the title and type it as SERIAL. Then you variant that to the original novel. However, if the content is SHORTFICTION, it would just be entered as such with nothing appended and it would be typed for LENGTH, if known. Am I missing something here? Thanks, Doug / [[User:Vornoff|Vornoff]] 07:11, 4 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Martians'' ==<br />
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I've expanded the Note for our verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?239141 The Martians] to include the publication date info and the map. Cheers. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 04:25, 12 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
:Similarly with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?218761 The Memory of Whiteness], covering publication info and the cover artist. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 04:30, 12 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Looks good; thanks! [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 03:26, 14 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Magazines in Science Fiction Chronicle ==<br />
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You'd started a separate thread under the Rules and Discussion, but don't seem to be getting any traction. It looks as if you (or someone) did allow the references to the EDITOR records even without resolution to some of our points. I've more to issues with magazine reviews to enter, but don't want to push things. Is the discussion likely to get somewhere, or do I need more issues to force things along? For now, I'm going to enter the issues and skip the magazine reviews and go back to enter them later - depending on how discussions go. I have to do a second edit for the cover anyway. [[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 15:47, 21 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Hi Doug,<br />
:Yes, someone did pass those edits through before I had a chance to go back and place a hold on them after I started looking into the guidelines... from what I can see it looks like it was [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Linguist Dominique], but I don't think he's weighed in on the Rules & Standards discussion. <br />
:Also, my intent was not to single you out, I hadn't come across this situation in the moderator queue for some time and I was honestly a bit confused by the conflicting instructions I came across. You're correct that this particular situation runs counter to normal guidelines because of that decision long ago to group issues into editor records, and since it was implemented in the database rather than the display layer it has created some unintended consequences.<br />
:I'll see if I can nudge the conversation along a little, we'll see how that goes. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 00:47, 22 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Et le voila [[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 03:56, 23 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::And maybe not. I have the issues in hand but would like to get rid of them. Care to advise on the safest way to enter these without causing poking the bear? The discussion mentioned automation so as long as it can move forward I'm not fussy. I'm leaning towards ESSAY with a format of 'Review of magazine "''Magazine'', ''issue id''" by ''editor'''. Would that pass moderation easily and yet be clear to find and implement for a later conversion? [[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 19:33, 3 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Hajime Sorayama ==<br />
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So, the three Russian titles (the covers) [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?30102 here] are all in your books so I am just asking for all 3 at the same time. You have a note on all 3 that the credit is in English. I would like to get that fixed (someone was a bit overzealous on changing to the Japanese names) but you have the name as Sorayama Hajime and not Hajime Sorayama. Can you verify it is indeed like that and change it to the English variant, variant them and so on? :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Anniemod]] 22:37, 15 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for noticing this; I'm happy to make the change. It is listed in the book exactly like I noted in the pub record, and I always found it odd that the original credit was in English and not in Russian. Should there be two English language variants (one Western order, one Eastern order) because of the differing name order, or should I just use the existing English language Western order variant? Thanks, [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 03:11, 18 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: I would make two different ones if I was making the changes - just to keep it the same as in the book. Up to you though - but we seem to have other cases where we have double ones for languages where first and last do not get printed in the expected order (Hungarian for example) :) As for it not being in Russian -- my guess is that they made a decision to keep the name as they found it somewhere - explains the inverted name... The 90s in the Eastern block were a bit interesting in terms of copyrights - see how hard it is to even figure out where the Bulgarians stole some of the covers from. At least this one had a credit :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:18, 18 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::Okay, I created the second variant and changes have been made. When the guidelines are vague I prefer to err on the side of recording what is listed in the book. :) [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 04:09, 18 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Yep, I absolutely agree. Now it seems like I need to go talk to a lot of PVs because I think that most of those English probably also do not have the Japanese name in Japanese... Thanks for fixing these 3 :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:42, 18 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Ozone #3 ==<br />
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Hello, I've corrected some spelling mistakes for this magazine but there is likely a word missing in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2105506 this title] (between "ou un" and "sauf"). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 11:07, 25 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for the help, I've added the missing "vaporisateur" to the title you've indicated; I've also finished entering the contents. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 05:26, 26 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Books into Film: Do Andriods Dream of Electric Sheep? / Blade Runner ==<br />
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Would you please double check the spelling of "andriods" in {{T|1182328|Books into Film: Do Andriods Dream of Electric Sheep? / Blade Runner}} (from your verified {{P|332762|Firsts: The Book Collector's Magazine (October, 1999)}})? If the typo is only in the database, it should be corrected. If the typo is also in the pub, a note should be added. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 03:46, 31 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
:Typo on my part; it has been corrected. Thanks for catching! [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 02:03, 2 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Language check ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Can you please confirm that Alaya Dawn Johnson's third story in {{P|519446|Metamorphosis}} is indeed in Spanish? If so, maybe a pub note is in order. If not, what is its English name and so on (so I can variant and fix that). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:00, 5 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:The story is in Spanish, and there is no indication that it is a translation from English, or any note in the pub indicating it was published elsewhere... I'll add a note to the Pub. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 06:07, 8 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for checking! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:59, 8 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Corrections in ''Drowned Worlds'' ==<br />
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I have changed the length of several stories in your verified publication ''Drowned Worlds'' in accordance with the information given by the editor [http://www.jonathanstrahan.com.au/wp/2017/01/09/awards-eligibility-2016/ here] --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 15:26, 2 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== February 1994 Asimov's ==<br />
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I've corrected the page numbers the illustrated stories in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?57266 February 1994 issue] of ''Asimov's''. In all cases except the first story, we incorrectly had had the story starting on the page where the text begins as opposed to the title page which also has the illustration. The first story was already listed on the correct page. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:54, 22 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
:Thanks, appreciate it. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 03:12, 22 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== ISBN-10s vs. ISBN-13s ==<br />
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When you get a chance, could you please review [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Ahasuerus#.22Problematic.22_Records this discussion] starting with "associated with warning flags at the moderating phase"? It contains a discussion of ISBN-10s vs. ISBN-13s as well as certain title type/pub type mismatches. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:22, 3 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Initials as names ==<br />
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Hello, in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?607757 this issue] you created two "new" authors by using the initials of the authors, I suppose that you used the signature at the end of the reviews/essays. IIRC we usually enter the full author's name to avoid creating a multiplicity of aliases (and imagine the number of different RS!). I've stumbled on this because "VH" was not linked to the canonical author. I've taken the liberty to change them. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 06:55, 4 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
:Thanks; I'll keep that in mind. My inclination is to always record what's there in/on the publication itself, but I know there are lots of exceptions here to this guiding principle. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 18:42, 5 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
::Bibliographical life here wouldn't be fun without exceptions (and possibly exceptions to exceptions). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 18:51, 5 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Sequence of URL in Webpages field (Julie/Eloisa) ==<br />
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Hi, I noticed some problems with the webpages for ''Julie, ou la Nouvelle Héloïse'' (and notice you are on duty there, so I write to you). For one, the English-language variant Title webpages are not in sequence stated vols I to IV. Although I cut and paste the URLs in correct sequence, the software is too smart for my purpose. Presumably because there is no change in the set of 4 URLs, this view shows no Proposed Changes in the Webpages field, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3357744 Submission 3357744].<br />
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The other problem is a big one and my Note makes it clear. But the 4 URL are in sequence III I II IV. (I quit this now.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:32, 10 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Fantastyka 9(72) wrzesień 1988 ==<br />
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In your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?576286 Fantastyka 9(72) wrzesień 1988], you have a "Review of nongenre nonfiction Czarne dziury: koniec wszechświata?Question mark by John Taylor". The words Question mark are usually a copy/paste artifact if you copy from a work with one of our transliteration question marks so I submitted a change to remove it. If you really want the words there, feel free to revert it back. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:50, 7 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
:ugh. Thanks for catching (and fixing) that! [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 03:39, 8 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== The Memory of Whiteness ==<br />
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Hello, a new contributor ([http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Ratioprosperous Ratioprosperous]) found the artist for your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44034 here]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 01:36, 1 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks for the note, been trying to track that one down for a while. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 19:49, 2 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?14901 Future Sports] ==<br />
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Changed date from June to July according to the copyright page. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 00:38, 4 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
:Excellent, thanks! [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 17:03, 4 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== B. W. Clough ==<br />
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In accordance with discussion on Moderator Board, I changed the canonical name of B. W. Clough to Brenda W. Clough, which affected [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?262897 this] verified publication of yours. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 02:03, 12 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?290002 Die Marsianer] ==<br />
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Hello Albinoflea, in this publication are different titles of a story<br />
* Ein Argument für den Einsatz hundertprozentig sicherer Terraformungstechniken (in the toc)<br />
* Ein Argument für den Einsatz hundertprozentig sicherer Terraformierungstechnologien (at the title page of the story)<br />
I will add a note. Ok? Regards [[User:Henna|Henna]] 08:07, 22 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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:Sounds good. Thanks! [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 23:50, 27 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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== Capitalization of Spanish language publications ==<br />
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FYI, the capitalization of several of your verified Spanish language KSR publications [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/changed_verified_pubs.cgi has been regularized]. In a couple of cases an earlier appearance of the same translated version was discovered and the title date was adjusted accordingly. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:54, 2 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Stories for Chip ==<br />
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Just FYI ... I've 2nd PV'd the trade paper version of 'Stories for Chip' http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?518396 and I'm uploading a new picture in order to show the back of the cover. Doing this because I'm also editing the hardcover version, and want to show how the back of trade paper varies from back of hardcover jacket. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 18:30, 25 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Valis magazine ==<br />
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Hi, I earlier created a magazine series called "El Melocotón Mecánico / Valis" because it's the same magazine, which changed its name without interruption in issue numbering. So therefote I am changing the series of the issue you entered, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?604632 Valis 13], to that instead of "Valis (magazine). --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 08:19, 28 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Solaris # 85 ==<br />
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Hello ! I own a copy of this Québec's science-fiction magazine and I verified it from what you entered. I added the missing data and corrected some of it. I hope it suits you. Note that I entered about 40 other issues of this magazine and I took your's as an example to do so. Thank you very much for your collaboration ! [[User:Ebenezer|Ebenezer]] 15:59, 14 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== I'm with the Bears ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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I fixed one of the stories in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?367273 your verified] - the original of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1349467 Arzèstula] is in Italian and the translation is copyrighted 2011 (and I cannot find an earlier publication) so I varianted the title and set the English title date to this collection date. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:53, 11 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:Awesome, thanks! [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 23:55, 23 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Planned Project Scope Expansion ==<br />
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(I am leaving this note on the Talk pages of some of the more active editors to make sure that we are not missing anything. If you have been following [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Inclusion_of_webzines_and_one-time_anthologies this Rules and Standards discussion] and agree with the proposal, please ignore this note.)<br />
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As per [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Inclusion_of_webzines_and_one-time_anthologies this discussion], [[ISFDB:Policy#Rules_of_Acquisition]] is about to be expanded to include:<br />
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* Speculative ''fiction'' webzines, which are defined as online periodicals with distinct issues<br />
* Special speculative ''fiction'' issues of non-genre webzines<br />
* One time speculative ''fiction'' anthologies published on the Web<br />
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If you believe that this scope expansion may cause unforeseen and/or undesirable consequences, please share your thoughts on the Rules and Standards page. TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:22, 4 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== dying planet cover art ==<br />
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I removed the cover art record from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?71455 Dying Planet: Mars in Science and the Imagination] because it is a photo; standard practice is to only do cover art records for artwork. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha (cazadora de tildes)]] 11:04, 23 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Typo fix ==<br />
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I have corrected a typo in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?583055 Les lames vorpales 11] (3 ss's in "ressemblait"). --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha (cazadora de tildes)]] 20:08, 7 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Paraspheres ==<br />
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I am looking at a copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128821 ParaSpheres] and it seems to be the same edition and printing as the one you verified--but the table of contents, both page numbers and the order of the items, is completely different. Also, "Ms. Lowe Visits Her Friends" by Dorothy Bryant is not in there but "The Beginnings, Endings, and Middles Ball" by Anna Tambour is. I have changed it to what I see; if you get this message, please check your copy and try to figure out the reason for the difference. Thanks! --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha (cazadora de tildes)]] 17:46, 16 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
: I've rejected his proposal and suggested he made a variant.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 16:18, 17 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== "Characters in the Margins of a Lost Notebook," in Stories for Chip is not an essay. ==<br />
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I tried to make an edit to change "Characters in the Margins of a Lost Notebook" from ESSAY to SHORTSTORY, but because you're a primary verifier, I think it needs your approval. Can you have a look at it? Thanks! http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4192010<br />
--[[User:Greg Hullender|Greg Hullender]] 11:31, 11 February 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Mr. Truepenny's Book Emporium & Gallery ==<br />
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I added a cover image to {{P|570629|Mr. Truepenny's Book Emporium & Gallery}} [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 16:34, 2 December 2019 (EST)<br />
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: Thanks! Always good to see the Cheap Street publications getting some love. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]]<br />
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== Moderator flag ==<br />
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Checking [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/user_search_results.cgi?USER_NAME=Albinoflea your last User Activity date], I see that you were last active on 2018-01-21, i.e. over three and half years ago. According to [[ISFDB:Policy#Moderator_policy|Moderator Policy]], "Moderators who have been inactive for over 12 months lose moderator privileges". I have disabled the moderator flag on your account, so when you come back, you won't be able to moderate submissions. No need to panic, though :-) We have a list of [[Moderator Qualifications]] and you can reclaim the ability to approve submissions once you go through the process. Hope to see you again when you have time for the ISFDB! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:16, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks, seems perfectly reasonable, it will be good for me to ease back into things anyhow. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 23:48, 23 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== ''The Years of Rice and Salt'' ==<br />
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Added some notes to our [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?50839 verified pub] (previously empty). [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 05:00, 16 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Appreciate it, looks good, thanks! [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 23:49, 23 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== New Terrors Titles ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?283720; I recently discovered a photo of the original Pan edition of New Terrors 2 which showed the title page says New Terrors Two, so title and cover art/intro were changed to reflect that; however, the zine linked above has a review of New Terrors 2. Does it say that in your PV copy? Also, there's a review of New Terrors 1, but there is no such title; Pan and Pocket editions were just New Terrors on their title pages, while Pocket edition of the second volume was New Terrors II. It's likely this American magazine reviewed the American editions, in which case the reviews should be linked to those specific editions, I think. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:39, 12 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Hey [[User:Username|Username]], thanks for the question, finally had a chance to dig this out. <br />
:The review in question is a joint review of "New Terrors, Volumes 1 & 2". but they are for the American Pocket editions, so I will link them accordingly. Appreciate the heads up. <br />
:Cheers, [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 12:08, 30 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Science, Myth, and the Fictional Creations of Alien Worlds ==<br />
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Hi, 'flea. I was wondering what the source is for the publication date [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?290735 here], as Locus1 says June '85. Reginald3 says 1985 too. There doesn't seem to be a date in the book, other than 1985. I just wanted to ask before changing anything. Thank you. --[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 00:07, 18 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Hey [[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]], thanks for checking in on this... with a month attached to it I must have gotten that from somewhere, but nowhere I've checked matches, and since it was a transient verification I no longer have the book. Happy for this to be moved to 1985. Thanks! [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 11:53, 30 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction, February 1986 ==<br />
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The cover art of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?61109 this], the ascribed to G. P. Lendino, a one hit wonder, is claimed by James Gurney in a "Works by" list in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1149930 Imaginative Realism: How to Paint What Doesn't Exist]. The style is very similar, so I'll make GP Lendino a pseudonym of James Gurney. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 09:03, 27 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Slipstream Journal #3 ==<br />
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Hi, letting you know I'm adding the interiorart to {{P|394788|Territories}}. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 13:46, 23 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks! I did a quick reverse image search and came back with the name of the photographer who did the cover art, and who is already in the database, so will add that as well. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] ([[User talk:Albinoflea|talk]]) 01:56, 26 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Territories: The Slipstream Journal, Summer 1993 ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Glad to see you back. Just a note as a reminder that if we have a date (of some type) for a magazine/fanzine issue, the issue number goes only in the notes and does not become part of the title. I tidied up [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?394788 this one] after a few crossing updates that left the titles half-changed. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:10, 29 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks [[User:Anniemod|Annie]]! Wow, I created that record a long time ago... will keep that in mind next time I create a new magazine entry. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] ([[User talk:Albinoflea|talk]]) 11:56, 11 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Orbit 18 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5664649; I added an Archive.org link and a few other things but LCCN in the note is wrong, it's 75-25089, in case you can check your copy and fix it if it's the same. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:57, 14 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks [[User:Username|Username]], this is boxed up at the moment (moving in two weeks!) but once I have it handy again I'll verify. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] ([[User talk:Albinoflea|talk]]) 16:32, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: [[User:Username|Username]], I can verify that 75-25089 is the number listed on the copyright page. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] ([[User talk:Albinoflea|talk]]) 22:15, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Silver Web, Issue 13 ==<br />
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Hi Albinoflea -<br />
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I have been cleaning up the titles of the ''The Silver Web'' magazine. There is an issue that you have verified {{P|61638}}. The [[Template:PublicationFields:Title|standards]] (see Missing or variant dates) indicate that when there is no date in the magazine, that the title should use volume/issue number or only the issue number. For this magazine, I have been removing the date portion (i.e. the year) from the titles, when there is no issue date and placing the comma in the correct spot to cause the issue to appear in the grid. Do you have any objections if I make the same edits to the issue you have verified? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:39, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:[[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]: No problem with that, I added that a long time ago and either didn't know better or the standards were more lax (or both). Since it's a transient verification happy to trust your judgement. Thanks! [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] ([[User talk:Albinoflea|talk]]) 14:42, 24 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Female Man Epigraph ==<br />
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Hi Albinoflea -<br />
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I've imported the epigraph that appears in Russ' {{P|39706|The Female Man}} and added a note to explain the titling. I've verified that it appears in my copy. Please let me know if you have any concerns about this addition. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:15, 8 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]] Looks good. Thanks! --[[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] ([[User talk:Albinoflea|talk]]) 16:10, 10 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Alternate Empires ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?54269; I added Archive.org link in PENDING edit and also fixed publisher (BP Books / ibooks) and replaced overly bright cover with OL cover (which is same as archived cover). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:57, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:[[User:Username|Username]] the cover is actually brighter than the image you linked to, and wider as well; the OL image crops off some of the left side. I've uploaded a fresh scan and submitted an edit to add it to the pub. Thanks! [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] ([[User talk:Albinoflea|talk]]) 15:34, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Escape from Kathmandu ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?12546; Should page count be 314, not 313? I added an Archive.org link in a PENDING edit to the 2000 Orb and noticed that while that edition's last (acknowledgements) page has no number it does in a copy of the original Tor HC (I'm not sure if the copy of that edition on Archive.org is the same as your PV copy because there's no LCCN on copyright page). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:41, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: [[User:Username|Username]], correct... 314 is the Acknowledgements and the last numbered page in this edition. Edit submitted, thanks! [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] ([[User talk:Albinoflea|talk]]) 00:05, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Remaking History and Other Stories ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27768; Should publisher be Orb? I added Archive.org link in a PENDING edit and it says Orb on title page, copyright page, back cover, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:17, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: [[User:Username|Username]], yes, Orb is correct. Thanks for catching this and making the change! [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] ([[User talk:Albinoflea|talk]]) 00:01, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Remaking History ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27767; I added Archive.org link in a PENDING edit and also added Roman numeral "x" to page count but the cover is now an unstable "G" Amazon one so you may want to replace that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:25, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks [[User:Username|Username]], have submitted an edit with a new scan of the cover. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] ([[User talk:Albinoflea|talk]]) 23:57, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Lucky Strike ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?293049; I think format should be TP, not PB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:26, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
: [[User:Username|Username]], correct! Edit submitted. Thanks, [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] ([[User talk:Albinoflea|talk]]) 23:19, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Mer(r)yl Gross ==<br />
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Hi! Would you be able to look up the spelling of one of the authors for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2039343 this essay]? Meryl Gross seems to be the canonical one, and it might have slipped through your auto-correction. Greetings, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 05:08, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:[[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]]: Dug this out and that's the way it is spelled on the page credits, and also once in the ''Notes from the Sofa'' introduction. In the back of the program there is also a quick bio of each Readercon Committee member, and it's spelled with two Rs twice in their paragraph as well. Given the long gap between this pub and the ones credited to Meryl with one R, is seems at least possible that these are different authors. [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] ([[User talk:Albinoflea|talk]]) 22:29, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Liftport ==<br />
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Please see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5805850 this submission] I am holding that impacts your verified pub. Per the Internet Archive scan, the changes all look correct - cover & editors as per title page, interview title per title page. Please let me know if you have any concerns with the edit. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:59, 2 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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: [[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] That all looks good to me. Thanks! [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] ([[User talk:Albinoflea|talk]]) 16:17, 2 March 2024 (EST)<br />
::Edit has been approved. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:43, 7 March 2024 (EST)</div>
JLaTondre
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:THPLYRSFGL2003.jpg&diff=681271
File:THPLYRSFGL2003.jpg
2024-03-05T22:56:41Z
<p>JLaTondre: {{CID1
|Title=The Players of Gilean: Tales from the World of Krynn
|Edition=Wizards of the Coast 2003 pb
|Pub=THPLYRSFGL2003
|Publisher=Wizards of the Coast
|Artist=Stephen Daniele
|ArtistId=73051
|Source=Internet Archive}}</p>
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=The Players of Gilean: Tales from the World of Krynn<br />
|Edition=Wizards of the Coast 2003 pb<br />
|Pub=THPLYRSFGL2003<br />
|Publisher=Wizards of the Coast<br />
|Artist=Stephen Daniele<br />
|ArtistId=73051<br />
|Source=Internet Archive}}</div>
JLaTondre
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Standback&diff=681108
User talk:Standback
2024-03-02T21:42:23Z
<p>JLaTondre: welcome</p>
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'''Note''': Image uploading isn't entirely automated. You're uploading the files to the wiki which will then have to be linked to the database by editing the publication record.<br />
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Please be careful in editing publications that have been [[Help:How to verify data|primary verified]] by other editors. See [[Help:How to verify data#Making changes to verified pubs]]. But if you have a copy of an unverified publication, verifying it can be quite helpful. See [[Help:How to verify data]] for detailed information.<br />
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I hope you enjoy editing here! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>); this will insert your name and the date. If you need help, check out the [[ISFDB:Community Portal|community portal]], or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:42, 2 March 2024 (EST)</div>
JLaTondre
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Vanguard3000&diff=681076
User talk:Vanguard3000
2024-03-02T16:31:54Z
<p>JLaTondre: /* Spells and Chrome */ new section</p>
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==Welcome!==<br />
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Hello, {{PAGENAME}}, and welcome to the ISFDB Wiki! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:<br />
*[[Help:Contents|Help pages]]<br />
*[[Help:Screen:NewPub|Field-by-field guide to entering new publications into the database]]<br />
*[[Help:Getting Started]]<br />
*[[Help:Contents/Purpose|What the ISFDB Wiki is for]]<br />
*[[ISFDB:FAQ|FAQ]]<br />
*[[Help:Editing|Wiki editing help]] - Tips on how to use the wiki-specific features when editing wiki pages.<br />
*[[Help:Wiki Conventions|Wiki Conventions]] - How things are usually done on this wiki.<br />
*[[Help:How to upload images to the ISFDB wiki]] <br />
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'''Note''': Image uploading isn't entirely automated. You're uploading the files to the wiki which will then have to be linked to the database by editing the publication record.<br />
<br />
Please be careful in editing publications that have been [[Help:How to verify data|primary verified]] by other editors. See [[Help:How to verify data#Making changes to verified pubs]]. But if you have a copy of an unverified publication, verifying it can be quite helpful. See [[Help:How to verify data]] for detailed information.<br />
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I hope you enjoy editing here! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>); this will insert your name and the date. If you need help, check out the [[ISFDB:Community Portal|community portal]], or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:28, 24 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Santaroga Barrier ==<br />
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I accepted your addition of {{P|984312|The Santaroga Barrier}}, but had to make some changes:<br />
*The preview was for the 8th printing. We date each printing separately. 1968-10-00 was for the first printing. As there is not a date specific to this printing, we use 0000-00-00 for unknown.<br />
*The price should always include the currency symbol.<br />
*External IDs should be specific to the edition and printing being entered.<br />
We appreciate your submission & hope you will continue to contribute. ISFDB has some conventions that need learning so please check out the help links in the welcome message above. And let us know if you have any questions ([[ISFDB:Help desk]] is a good resource for asking). --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:42, 24 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Spells and Chrome ==<br />
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I accepted your addition of {{P|997520|Spells and Chrome}}:<br />
*I switched the image to Amazon.com as the provided image link was not one we have permission to use. We can only use images from sites that have explicitly given us permission to do so. See [[ISFDB:Image linking permissions]] for a list of such sites.<br />
*You marked the it as a transient verification which means you have a physical copy of the book. As such, please fill in the page numbers.<br />
*You dated the publication to the day. The day is not typically listed in a book. If you are using a secondary source (I notice the date matches Amazon), you need to specify the source in the pub notes (ex. "Date of publication from Amazon.com as of 2023-03-02").<br />
*Please double check the spelling of the author of "Fade Away". The other editions have "Steven" instead of "Steve".<br />
Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:31, 2 March 2024 (EST)</div>
JLaTondre
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:GlennMcG&diff=681066
User talk:GlennMcG
2024-03-02T14:10:46Z
<p>JLaTondre: /* Return */ new section</p>
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<div>{{welcome}} [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:36, 11 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Novel Ideas—Science Fiction ==<br />
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We go by the title page of books, not the cover or copyright page. So even if books in a series look differently because of that, we do not normalize the title to match. <br />
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As it sounds like you may have the book, can you look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4678775 this one] and check what is on the title page? If the two authors are there, I can approve (and we need to update the book as well); if it is not - then you can add notes but we will need to leave the book as is. <br />
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Thanks for the update and welcome again! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:39, 11 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Both books have just Thomsen on the title page. {{unsigned|GlennMcG}}<br />
:: Then I will need to reject the edit. Do you have a handy link to the other book so I can look at it and fix it? Also - if you have the book, had you thought of verifying it? <br />
:: One small operational thing - the plus sign opens a new topic in the Discussion page, if you are responding to an existing one, there is a small "edit" next to the title of the item you are responding to:) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:59, 11 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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Here's the link: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?82007<br />
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Not sure what your verification operation consists of. I'll have to do some more reading on how the site works. {{unsigned|GlennMcG}}<br />
: When you do a primary verification, you are saying "I have the book. All the details listed on this record are as in my book (or I noted the differences in the notes". If you have the book from a library for example, you can do Transient Primary (aka - I checked a real book and the details match - but I do not have the book anymore". When you do a PV (Primary Verification - Transient or Permanent), you will get notified on changes in the record (there is a Changed Primary menu on your page; for big changes people will post here) and if someone wants to change something and you are around, you may be asked if you can check the book again to verify something someone else claims. More details [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:Verify here] and [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_verify_data#Primary_Verification here]. <br />
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: About the book - the look inside into the [https://www.amazon.com/Novel-Ideas-Fantasy-Brian-M-Thomsen-ebook/dp/B002VFPRV4/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=#reader_B002VFPRV4 Kindle book] shows both names on the title page. So looks like we have a difference between the paperback and the ebook? Won't be the first... We can easily change that - would you like to try? I think I may have this book somewhere as well so will see if I can find it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:04, 11 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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It's not clear to me what you're suggesting I try. (Although I'm willing to give it a whirl). {{unsigned|GlennMcG}}<br />
: To submit an update of the authors for the book (as based on what you see on the title page of yours, our record is a bit faulty). Or I can submit it if you prefer? :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:08, 11 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Legends ==<br />
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What is on the title page [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4678651 on this one]? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:59, 11 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Legends - Edited by Margaret Weis with Janet Pack and Robin Crew<br />
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:Earth, Air, Fire, Water - Edited by Margaret Weis with Robyn McGrew and Janet Pack<br />
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:Seems likely to be a typo, but I understand you need rules to prioritize conflicting information.<br />
:In support of it probably being a typo, the acknowledgment page credits Weise, Pack, and Robin McGrew as the copyright owners of the prologue. {{unsigned|GlennMcG}}<br />
:: If the title page says Robin Crew, our record remains like that. But as it is indeed obviously a typo (based on how OCLC had added both books for example and the copyright notes), we variant to the correct author and add a note on the discrepancy. I've done the needed variants and added notes. Thanks for finding this one. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 06:00, 11 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Terribly Twisted Tales ==<br />
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To add the contents to {{P|282222|Terribly Twisted Tales}}, there are two options:<br />
# You can go to the publication page and click "Edit This Pub" in the left menu. In the edit screen, scroll down to the "Regular Titles" section and click the "Add Title" button. This will add a row where you can add the page number, title, author, etc. Repeat for each story. If there are reviews or interviews, enter under their respective sections. When done submit.<br />
# If the stories are already in the database, they can be imported. This is the preferred method (as the above would create duplicates that would then need to be merged), but is more complex. To do this, also go to the publication page, but click "Import Content" in the left menu. In a separate window, find the title record for a story to import. Copy the URL and past into the "Title 1" box under the "Option 2" portion of the import screen. For additional titles, click the plus sign and repeat in Title 2, etc. When done, click the "Import Titles", add the page numbers on the following screen, and submit.<br />
Hope that helps. Let us us know if you have more questions. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:17, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I guess I should have waited longer, but as I couldn't seem to add a question to the 'help' page, I tried re-adding the book as new entry with interior title info.<br />
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:Think I'll wait for more instructions before digging the hole even deeper.<br />
:See http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4682913 <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/GlennMcG|contribs]]) .</small><br />
::No problem. Sometimes we get a little backed up. You can always post at [[ISFDB:Help desk]] which usually gets a faster response. To avoid you having to redo work, I have accepted the new version and deleted the old one. When we have generic titles like Introduction or Foreword, we add the publication title in parenthesis after the title. This is to avoid an author's page being filled with a series of "Introduction" and no easy way to tell them apart. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:35, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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I had tried to ask the question on the help page, but got a write permission error.<br />
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Also, this move lost the cover art linkage from the old record.<br />
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== Please sign your name ==<br />
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Please sign your name on talk pages and discussion boards using four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>); this will insert your name and the date. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:41, 19 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:There is also a button in the toolbar above the edit window (the second to last that looks like a signature) which will insert the syntax so you don't have to type it. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:44, 19 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:00, 19 June 2020 (EDT) Ok<br />
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Although it does seem odd that the site software doesn't sign things auto-magically, as you need to be signed in to play the game. [[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:03, 19 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Edge of Running Water ==<br />
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I accepted {{P|780259|The Edge of Running Water}}, but made a couple of changes:<br />
*Standardized the publisher to Editions for the Armed Services<br />
*Removed Armed Services Editions from the pub series. It is redundant with the publisher and not really a pub series since every book published by this publisher was marked as that.<br />
*Changed the page count to 352. When there is a single unnumbered page after the numbered page, we just include it in the numbered pages. If there were multiple unnumbered pages (say 5, for example), then it would be entered as 352+5.<br />
*Changed the price to $0.00 and moved the text to the pub notes. Prices should be currency symbol and number only. Any explanations go in the notes.<br />
*I added the date based on the catalog id as sourced to Wikipedia.<br />
Thanks for adding this. Regarding your note on adding the cover image: Now that the pub is entered, there is a "Upload cover scan" link below he pub notes. You would use that to upload the scan and then edit the publication to add the resultant link to the scan. There is a link to the help page in the welcome message above. If you have any questions, please let us know. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:57, 26 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Grantville Gazette VII ==<br />
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I accepted the changes to {{P|572601|Grantville Gazette VII}}, but kept the original "By Hook or by Crook". It was easier to edit the title of the existing record to make the capitalization change. Actually, it would have been easier to edit all three titles instead, but as they appear in other verified pubs, we will have to run that by those verifiers. So I accepted for this pub and will have the other verifiers check their pubs. Once confirmed, I will merge or variant as necessary. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:53, 27 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Did you see the response I made in my talk pages? I believe the usual practice is to respond to the question where it is asked. Thanks for spotting the problems. Jack [[User:Sjmathis|Sjmathis]] 08:58, 29 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
::The cover of the paperback version is slightly different that the covers of the HC and TP versions of this book. I had scanned my cover and added it to the ISFDB, but it disappeared when the incorrect book was deleted. If you copy has a clean cover, can you scan it and replace the cover of the PB version? [[User:Sjmathis|Sjmathis]] 10:02, 29 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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Just noticed the "Best Selling" medallion is in a different location. I'll upload a scan. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:29, 29 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks! Much better than my old cover. Jack [[User:Sjmathis|Sjmathis]] 12:26, 4 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The E.S.P. Worm ==<br />
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When changing data in a publication with active primary verifiers, please check with another verifier first. Beyond a courtesy, we have found that this occasionally reveals the existence of a different version (99% of the time it's a database error, but sometimes it's not). I checked with Rtrace and he confirmed your change so I accepted it. I have also unmerged it from the other versions using Robert E. Margroff and created a variant title. Thanks for finding this. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:41, 4 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Castle Fantastic ==<br />
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For {{P|6269|Castle Fantastic}}, I have had to reject your edit. Instead of creating a new title, simply edit publication and change the existing title. This avoids having to remove and delete the old one. When a title is only in a single publication, it can be edited from that publication (it will not be grayed out). Please resubmit with just correcting the existing record. After that is approved, it will show up under {{A|Linda Dunn}} and need to be varianted to {{A|Linda J. Dunn}} (as described with Carolyn Gilman's title on my talk page). From you moderator note, it sounds like you have this pub. Please consider primary verifying it. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:56, 4 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Quest for the Spear ==<br />
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I accepted {{P|68403|Quest for the Spear}}.<br />
*Title: I debated about this. These days, if a publication title is of the format of "Series Name: Book Name" (or vice versa), we only record the book name and leave the series for the series field. However, this was a one off. There were other films, though. I went with it as a series name. If you feel different, let me know and I will reverse it. <br />
*Prologue: Does this stand on its own? Like it would be reprinted elsewhere? If not, we would include it as part of the novel and not list it separately.<br />
*Introduction: Yes, we would normally include essay introductions. If it was a fictional introduction, then it would fall into the same category as the prologue, but an essay gets indexed. As for page number, the preferred method would be to count the unnumbered pages and enter the "page number" in brackets [] to indicate unnumbered. The other choice is to use "bp" to indicate unnumbered pages that precede pagination (this is what I typically do). <br />
Let me know what you think about the title and whether we should remove the prologue. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:57, 6 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:It's fine as a series. I'll remove the prologue, as it's not standalone. (Just late 4th century A.D. setup for modern times). 'bp' seems easier, but what would I use for the first of five pages before page one? [i]? [-4]? [-5]? [1]? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 22:01, 6 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
::I would probably go with [i] as that implies front pages, but you could also go with [1]. The key is to explain the situation in the notes (ex. "Introduction starts on the first of five unnumbered pages before the novel" or something similar). --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:45, 7 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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I tweaked it per your suggestions, but was wondering if there was a way to have the introduction show up before the main novel in the title list.<br />
--[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 02:31, 8 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Use pipe in the page number. [1]|5 will sort as 5 for example. If the page number contains | (pipe), the number after it is used for sorting while the one before it is shown. If there is no pipe, the number is used for both - think of 3 being a short way to write 3|3 for example. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:21, 8 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Steal the Galaxy! ==<br />
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A few small things:<br />
* You do not need <nowiki><br></nowiki> on every line -- we used to but the software changed 10 years or so ago. We just never cleaned up all the old ones (and some editors keep adding them). The first one (on the first line) is the only one that makes sense and any difference (as it will put you under the line that starts with Notes on the pub page)<br />
* The issue of Locus where the book was listed is interesting information and I hate losing it when editors edit. So I restored it here. <br />
See the changes [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?638864 here]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:24, 8 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Enemies of Fortune ==<br />
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Putting "Delete" as the page number will not automatically delete a title - we use that when there are multiple changes in the book so we do not lose track (and if the handling moderator decides to, they can do the Remove) but a change that only changes this is unneeded. What you need to do is to submit a "Remove Titles From This Pub" request instead -- go to the left menu and locate the link for that. For this book, it will open [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/rmtitles.cgi?256791 this]. Select the title you want to remove and submit the removal. <br />
I rejected [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4694544 this]. I can do the Remove or you can try (so you know how to do it next time) :) Let me know if you have any questions. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:28, 9 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I can do that, but when I changed the title the first time following instructions that worked previously it failed this way. (Add replacement title, marking the original to substitute). Am I in this boat because that edit failed to work, and this is the appropriate fixup? Or should I have done it differently in the first place? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:37, 9 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: No, it worked exactly as it was supposed to. You just did not have an invisible helper this time. :) If you want a title out from a publication, someone needs to send a Remove submission - you or the moderator who approved that first edit. When you mark the title as you did initially (with *** or deleted in the page number), you have a 50/50 chance of a moderator simply making the Remove for you silently post approval. <br />
:: Last time it appeared to work because the approving moderator made the Remove Titles submissions after they approved your edit and probably never came to tell you that there is one more step to be done in such cases (which they had done). With new editors, we all try to shield them a bit from the more complicated and annoying parts of the DB so we will do a lot of additional submissions and fixes post approval. I usually would still stop by and explain what I had to do in addition to the already done but... Some moderators will, some won't - depends on how busy one is and sometimes depends on how concentrated one is. Hope that makes sense. <br />
:: PS: Do not submit Remove in parallel to Pub Edit -- if the Remove is approved first, the Pub Edit will fail. As it is a 2 step process, I tend to assist and make the Remove when I approve such edits - you did the work of marking it, I can as well make the other submission when I do not get distracted. But different moderators work differently. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:12, 9 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: So, basically double check all my approved edits, and finish up what doesn't happen auto-magically by editor. :) --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:16, 9 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Yep. Plus this also allows you to spot other things you missed the first time. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:19, 9 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Forge of Virtue ==<br />
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Another little tip: When a submission is approved, the "old" data is lost. So when adding notes in the cases when there is a PV already such as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4695002 here] instead of stating the obvious "Notes update pre-PVing" which is as good as not adding a note at all, list the changes you are making ("copyright, number line, first printing added" for example). This way someone looking at the history can see what data was verified when. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:34, 9 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure. I thought I read somewhere that the note to the moderator wasn't retained, and therefore wouldn't show up in history. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:39, 9 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: It is not retained as part of the title/publication record itself but if you go to the submission itself (via History (this feature is very new), "My Changed Primary" (a few years old - and which is how now we do not require you to post on every PV page every time you touch a PV-ed publication - which used to be the rule before) or via the Recent Edits), it is there on the submission. :) So you should not put important information there but stuff like "what changed" belongs there. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:50, 9 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Will do. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:52, 9 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Patricia Mathews ==<br />
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You started off correctly editing the parent entries and then veered into editing the variant entries (which is incorrect). I accepted the couple correct ones, but will be rejecting all of the incorrect ones. I will explain the difference in a minute, but want to post this message now as you are continuing to make edits that will need to be rejected. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:14, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I know where I went off the rails. I'll start up again when you give the word. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:17, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
::I typed the following before seeing your response so am going to go ahead and post it just in case: Titles should be credited as per the publication. If the publication uses a non-canonical name for an author, we variant the title to the canonical name. The variant will have the credit used in the publication and the parent will have the canonical author name. To fix these stories, the '''''parent''''' needs to be edited so that the variant keeps the form used in the publication and the parent shows up under the canonical author's page. Most of your submission have been changing the '''''variant''''' which means you are changing the form used in the publication and still leaving it under the {{A|Patricia Matthews}} author's page. I will leave the edits on hold for now. If you click on "My Pending Edits", you will see what you were changing. From there you can go to the parent record and edit it instead. That may make it easier so you don't have re-research each one. When you are done, you can either cancel your held edits or I will reject them. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:29, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:I'm cancelling now, and will edit the parents. It turns out I can't find any entries that make sense for 'Patricia Matthews'. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:31, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I've edited a parent. When approved, I'll follow suit for the others. Sorry about the extra work for you. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:36, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Approved. It's part of the learning process of how things work here, so no problems. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:40, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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"There Is Always an Alternative" is an interesting case as there is publication under the parent title as well. The data for publication that comes from secondary sources. I will check into it and see if that credit is correct or not. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:01, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:It should have been one "t" as well. Fixed. Thanks for finding these. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 21:18, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Blood Song ==<br />
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I approved your edit to {{P|355301|Blood Song}}. However, you left the prior "Data from Amazon (date) and Locus Magazine #608 as of 2012-09-08" statement, but you primary verified it. When a publication is primary verified, the expectation is that the data is from the publication iteself. If any information in a primary verified publication comes from secondary sources, than it should explicitly state which information (ex. "Cover artist not credited. Cover artist from artist's website."). The statement should either be removed or edited. If the date is Amazon than it should say "Date from Amazon as of ...", but the way it is written says the date is from Amazon and the rest of the information from Locus. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:45, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Same with {{P|462375|To Dance with the Devil}}. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:46, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:: Hmmm. I read "Data from Amazon (date) and Locus Magazine #608 as of 2012-09-08." as the entry was created with data from both Amazon(the date), and the rest from Locus, on 2012-09-08. The date in the entry (from Amazon) is more specific than the year/month on the copyright page. Perhaps something like:<br />
::* Exact publication date from Amazon<br />
::* Listed in Locus #608<br />
::* my stuff<br />
::<small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/GlennMcG|contribs]]) .</small><br />
:::Looks good. Approved. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:46, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Castaways in Time ==<br />
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You managed to double verify {{P|6252|Castaways in Time}}. Not a big deal, but you may want to remove one. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:26, 11 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: How would one do that? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:51, 11 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Lol. That's a good question. You could probably unverify (which would hopefully remove both) and reverify. But now that I think about it, it shouldn't be possible to get in that state the way the GUI works these days. I will point Ahasuerus to this discussion in case there is a bug he would want to look into. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:35, 11 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Yeah, I don't see a way to modify/remove verifications in any way. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 17:43, 11 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
::To remove or change a verification, click on "Verify This Pub" this pub again. If you have already verified it, the options will now be "No verification" and "Transient verification" (assuming you permanently verified it). This allows undoing a mistaken verification or changing the status of a verification (in case you are downsizing your collection or have bought a book you previously transient verified). --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:06, 11 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Done. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:09, 11 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Nightshifted ==<br />
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I'm holding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4696564 this edit]. It looks like you cloned the second printing to create the first? We already have the {{P|380940|first printing}}. Am I missing something? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:50, 13 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Yep, must have missed it somehow. I'll cancel the edit, and PV the 1st printing. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:02, 13 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Dark Remains ==<br />
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For {{P|37945|The Dark Remains}} & other recent additions, you added a note of "Maps by Karen Wallace". Is there a reason you just didn't add the maps as interior art? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:16, 16 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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Because I didn't know that was appropriate. What would you like me to do? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 20:06, 16 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:We generally include them so I'd add them. They are entered as interior art. For title, 1) if the map has title "Given Title (map)"; 2) if the map is not titled, "Book Title (map)"; and if the same map is used in multiple books of the series and is not titled, you could use "Series Title (map)". If there are multiple maps, than use "maps" instead of "map" in the parenthesis. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 21:02, 16 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Replacing cover images ==<br />
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When replacing cover images that are already on the wiki, please don't upload at a new location. Instead, upload over the existing image. To do that, go to the image page (example [[:Image:THRGHTHCTK1992.jpg]]) and use the "Upload a new version of this file" at the bottom of the page. It will warn you that are overwriting an existing image, but just go ahead. If someone else uploaded the prior image, edit the image page after uploading and change the name in the source field to your user name. You will not need to re-edit the publication entry as it will already be linked. However, due to a bug with our wiki software, your browser may not show the new image unless you force a cache refresh (typically a shift F5). This avoids unused & duplicate images on the wiki. <br />
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For {{P|THRGHTHCTK1992|Through the Ice}}, I moved the image you uploaded at [[:Image:THRGHTHCTK1992-2.jpg]] over to [[:Image:THRGHTHCTK1992.jpg]] and deleted the former. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:07, 17 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I was concerned that if I used the same name it would overwrite the old image, and make it impossible to refuse the edit. So this is a function that is not moderated? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:11, 17 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Correct. Image uploading is not moderated. But we do pay attention to it so if something goes wrong, it can be fixed. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:52, 17 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Ancient One ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4703666 this submission]: Is this 6th printing actually listed in Locus with the specified printing date? Or when cloning {{P|262496|this record}} did the date and note not get removed? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:16, 26 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I missed removing the Locus reference in the cloning process. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:02, 26 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Approved & removed. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:03, 26 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Kisssing Sin (excerpt) ==<br />
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In {{P|96661|Tempting Evil}}, should be the second excerpt be "Kissing Sin" (two s's) instead of the current three s's? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:26, 30 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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Although 3 times is a charm, 2 is the right call here. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:13, 30 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Changed. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:02, 30 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Survival ==<br />
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For {{P|687731|Survival}}, I accepted the edit, but changed the date to match the publication statement. Per the current rules ([[:Template:PublicationFields:Year]], last bullet), we use the date listed in the publication as the official date. If a secondary source provides a more precise date, it is acceptable to refine the precision (ex. add a day to a year & month only). If a secondary source contradicts the publication, we still use the publication's date and the secondary source information can go into the pub notes. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:17, 2 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Got it. I think I was intuiting a more numeric approach to approximations, but understand the rationale. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:56, 2 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Iorich ==<br />
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Hello. I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4714399 your update submission] on hold, as I suspect that you inadvertently updated the wrong record. There's a mass market record already available [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?651379 here], PV'd by Taweiss. You may want to cancel your submission, remove your PV from the 2010 record, and PV the latter instead. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 06:41, 6 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Done. In some ways, I wonder whether the 2010 pb existed at all. I actively collect Brust and would have picked up then, rather than waiting until 2018 to grab it. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:04, 6 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Looking at the date of the addition to the site and the date of the book (it is added 2 and a half months before the pub date), it won't surprise me if it was announced but never made it out indeed. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:10, 7 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Adding an interview to the contents ==<br />
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Hello. You added in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4714801 this submission] an interview as an essay, with both the interviewee (Robert Buettner) as well as the interviewer (uncredited) as authors. Better is to have this entered as an actual INTERVIEW record - unless of course Robert Buettner happens to be the actual ''author'' of the interview? Let me know if you would want to change the title from ESSAY to INTERVIEW yourself, or if you prefer I do that for you. I've put the submission on hold for the moment. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 07:55, 6 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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I'll submit another edit and cancel the first. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:31, 6 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Gotcha when changing pub titles ==<br />
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Hi. If you decide to change a publication's title, a subtle gotcha is that usually the associated COVERART record was created using the same title used when the pub was created. It does not automatically get changed after that, so a second edit is required to fix it up as well. I did this for {{T|2755158|The Witch War Cycle}}. Just something to keep in mind for the future. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 09:19, 8 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:There's no image on the book that you linked now. But I can't remember if it had one before. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:50, 8 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: No image does not mean no Cover Art record - which is what Marty is talking about. :) When a new book is added, the title and the publication title are the same and so is the cover art title of a cover artist is added. Once created, they become 3 separate records - and they all usually need adjustment when you are changing one of them. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:07, 8 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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I tried with another rename and it's closer, but still an issue. I changed title and cover art in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4720071], but when I link back through the cover it points at a parent with a title that doesn't exist. How do I unvariant the cover art? [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2755637] goes to http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2755639, which shouldn't exist. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:31, 8 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:The parent needs to exist as the pub artist credit is "Ken W. Kelly", but our canonical name for that artist is "Ken Kelly". Instead of unvarianting, you need to edit the parent. Go to that last link, click the edit button in the top right, and change the name to match the pub. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:55, 8 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Got it. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 21:08, 8 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Carson of Venus'' omnibus price ==<br />
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Hi. In your submission for ''Carson of Venus: Volume 1'', you give a price of $0.00, but then the notes say it is POD and prices vary, which is different from a $0.00 price. Which is correct? I think if the price is varying, we'd leave the price field blank. We do have free publications where the price is literally zero. No need to do anything: I will adjust on acceptance according to whatever you say. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:01, 9 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Sorry, missed this one. Blank is fine for price. I thought I had seen bibliographic warnings for missing price and thought $0.00 would suppress them. The old null vs empty-string conundrum. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:47, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::It will, unfortunately, show a warning, but we don't have a special non-price price value. Maybe someday. :-) Anyway, it's accepted and updated. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 17:52, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: If it is a US only book (aka all prices are in $), I would put $ instead of a blank field. It deals with the warning (see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2714526 for an example] and it does show the country the book belongs to (which for languages with multiple countries is a good and useful data point) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:12, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::I've seen US and UK prices for books in different volumes of this POD series. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:23, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::: Then we are stuck with empty for this one. But keep that in mind for other cases :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:28, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::Would '$£' be legal? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:34, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::: I think it will get flagged and fixed after that. Just leave it empty for now. :( [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:27, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== ''At the Earth's Core'', et al, omnibus ==<br />
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Hi. For this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4719397 submission], I have two questions:<br />
# The ISBN of 0486201510 is flagged as invalid. Would you double-check?<br />
# Our standard for naming omnibuses (omnibi?) when they are not specifically titled is to use the titles of the collected works, separated by slashes and spaces. See the second sub-bullet in [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Title]]. So if the omnibus you have just lists the three titles, we would use ''At the Earth's Core / Pellucidar / Tanar of Pellucidar'' instead of ''At the Earth's Core: Pellucidar: Tanar of Pellucidar''.<br />
Let me know, and I will adjust. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:28, 9 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I've created another 'newPub' and will cancel the old. (I didn't notice your offer to replace in time, and I have more info this go round, anyways). The ISBN is funny, as it's written with transposed digits on the rear cover, which I copied, but correct on spine and copyright page. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:39, 9 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:: Always good to mention that ISBN funny thinghy in the notes, too :) Cheers! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 10:12, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Done. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:51, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::::Yeah. If it appears in multiple places and any one of them is correct, we take that one as "the" ISBN and note where we got it and the discrepancy with the others. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 17:41, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:::::And correct just means passes checksum algorithm. No convenient way to determine if it's the 'right' ISBN. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:25, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Claimed by Shadow ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Can you check again the OCLC number [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?786841 here]? I do not see anything in OCLC indicating that this is a record for the second printing. OCLC adds some later printings and the OCLC numbers we add should be for the correct printing, not generic records. In the very least a note explaining that the OCLC record is for an unclear printing needs to be added. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:31, 13 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Just remove it, or I can. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 05:42, 13 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: If you had not yet, I will. Sorry - went to bed last night so did not see this :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:19, 13 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: I moved it. If you decide to remove it completely, go away and remove the line I added - especially with a PV, it can go away (if there is no PV, I would leave it this way as OCLC has page numbers and stuff like that). :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:24, 13 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: I think the root problem is that I don't know when it's appropriate to check 'reuse external IDs' when cloning a publication for a different printing. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:20, 13 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Personally, I almost always uncheck this one -- if I need to re-add some from the original, I do it while editing the clone. My exception is for non-English books usually - for example FantLab keeps single record for all reprints of an edition -- so this record goes on all of our records. OCLC for Russian books also does not care much about printings. <br />
::: When it comes down to US books, OCLC tends to keep separate records for printings (not all of printings have it), DNB does the same for German for example (so having the same DNB record for two printings is almost unheard of). LCCN has the first printing(and sometimes later when it is very different but still called printing because... publishers... ) so my rule is to usually just add on the first printing and just note it on the rest but other people do it differently for LCCN (as unlike OCLC, printings and other formats usually will not be issued a new LCCN). Goodreads is rarely per printing unless the cover changes - then they will have both records - but they usually have a date on the record which ties to a printing in most cases. It is a thin line sometimes -- and you will see more than one practice being used. <br />
::: Hope this makes some sense. Just trust your instincts - if you are looking for information about this specific printing/edition, does this external ID actually describe it and with library sources (OCLC, BL, BNF, DNB, PORBASE and so on), if a book is pulled based on this record, will it be the one you are holding? This is why we allow the templating inside of the notes (what I did when I edited) - so you can note additional records that are related but not exactly matching (but that can add information if the actual version does not have a record) - you won't add these if there an exact one unless it has a lot of relevant information but they are useful in cases such as OCLC having a single record for a series or just records for other printings and so on. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:42, 13 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Earthborn ==<br />
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Hello. I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4721227 your submission] on hold for a moment, as it would be best to ask Holmesd if he's OK to remove the publication date of this 4th printing. He may recall why he has left a publication date of 1996-05-00 for this one. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:40, 13 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I asked, and (s)he's ok with it. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:59, 14 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: And approved! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 03:01, 17 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Grimes at the Great Race ==<br />
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In [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4727163 this edit], the proposed new parent is an exact match of the existing record. What are you trying to achieve? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:20, 15 August 2020 (EDT)'<br />
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:It was supposed to point at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?43424]. ('at' a variant of 'and').--[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:03, 15 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::To do that you need to use the Option 1 section of the variant screen. In the Parent # box, you would place the title number (it will actual accept the whole URL to make copy and pasting easier) of the desired parent. When you use the Option 2 section, you are creating a new record. I've rejected the edit and will let you re-submit the correct form. Let me know if my instructions were not clear. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:20, 15 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Upon a Sea of Stars ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4727210 this edit], does the publication:<br />
# have the novel or does it have the original short stories? <br />
# have the collection itself or does it have the stories from the collection?<br />
Only what is actually in the publication should be listed. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:22, 15 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:#Yes. The novel, and the components are listed in TOC, and each have separate title pages.<br />
:#Yes. Same for the collection.<br />
:--[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:08, 15 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::It seems unlikely that the novel would fit in 2 pages. Is it really the novel + the novelettes (in other words the full novel plus the repetition of the individual stories that were combined to make the novel) or the novel is formed of chapters that are the same as the novelettes? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:14, 15 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::It's nested, like the TOC, which is formatted as an outline.<br />
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:::#title page of novel<br />
:::#dedication page of novel<br />
:::#title page of first component and initial text<br />
:::#more pages of component #1<br />
:::#title page of 2nd compononent and initial text<br />
:::#more pages of component #2<br />
:::etc --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:21, 15 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::Approved. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:27, 15 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Imperial Earth & The Wind from the Sun ==<br />
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Hello. To answer your question ''Don't know if I'm supposed to add '[verified]' to my G39 printing.'' in your submission [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4738029 here]: No. Since the ISFDB records all distinct printings, I suggest you create a new record by cloning the G10 printing and make it your G39 printing, that you can then verify. Btw, is your G39 printing also an SFBC? (note that I'm not an expert on these kind of printing designations and SFBC, so you may want to consult other moderators that can chime in with their thoughts on the matter, but the basic rule is 'if it's a different printing, then it's a different pub record...).<br />
Same for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4738033 this one], I think. As far as I can deduce, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?194077 this record] is for the first printing (D1). Is your G20 printing a SFBC edition too, or a regular one? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 13:42, 26 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: There are special rules for entering SFBC editions. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_enter_a_SFBC_publication]. One record for all printings. It's just that the instructions don't mention how to use the 'verified' tag when describing the gutter code. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:02, 26 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Yep - SFBC is a bit special on this regard - unless the cover or the ISBN or the SFBC number changes or something else, we don't separate printings here (these indicate something closer to batches and not printings basically). The usual way is to specify that PV2 has gutter code XX, PV3 has gutter code YY and so on -- I like adding the name of the editor as well, especially if it is not PV1 (in case someone pulls their verification - the old system had exact numbers, this one does not). Alternatively just listing them all in a list also works. That can change at some point but I prefer the system as is quite honestly... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:39, 26 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
: I haven't seen linkages to PVers in any of the few dozen i've PVed. Just an occasional 'verified' after the gutter code. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:45, 26 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Some do, some don't. We have other cases with gutter codes which serve as batch differentiators only. The Verified means someone saw that code (aka it is not just from an online source) and decided to mark it that way because they also added some of the others; adding a name helps track down details if it gets to that. Do whatever feels comfortable - I tend to like more information than less. Different editors, different styles. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:50, 26 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Hmmm, I not necessarily agree with bunching all SFBC printings (don't understand what the difference between print runs & batches really is, especially since it seems that gutter code identifies which batch/printing it is about) into a single pub record, but I'll approve the few records I have on hold (as they conform to the current practice). Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 05:28, 27 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Motor-Boat, Motor-Cycle ==<br />
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I noticed that you corrected some pub titles of both Tom Swift novels. However, you didn't change the contents title accordingly. Having done a cursory check on Motor-Boat, I notice that virtually all (if not all?) publications have the hyphen on their title page. Would you think that it is a correct assumption that all existing records must be updated? So, shouldn't we change all pub and title records to the hyphen variant? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:34, 27 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:At a minimum, at least all the facsimile Applewood publications should match. I missed one, and have entered an edit. Beyond that, I don't see how you're seeing title page info on the others. Now, we could change the title record to have the dash, as then it would match the original (facsimile) edition. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:19, 27 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Well, for a few of the others I did check LookInside on Amazon (for what that's worth), and these showed the dash as well. If we're not going to touch the other ones, and only the facsimile ones, we'll have to create a new title record (not change the existing one, otherwise you'll end up changing the title record for all other pubs as well), and then either variant the one with the dash to the one without (or the other way around, depends on which one's older will be the parent). Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:57, 27 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::I'm new at this and am happy to take direction from those with a more seasoned opinions. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 17:40, 27 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Knight Life ==<br />
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Hi Glenn, I've accepted your edit to change the publisher of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19638 Knight Life] from Ace Books to Ace Fantasy Books. A quick heads up: you may not know we have a protocol to advise other Primary Verifiers of proposed changes to their verified publications, and this book would be a case in point before submitting the edit. However as you can see, the other verifiers have not shown their faces around these parts for some time (the most recent being March this year), and we shouldn't let your edit to remain unapproved in perpetuity. Please just leave a message on their Talk pages that your edit has gone ahead in lieu of their long absence. Thanks! [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 04:01, 31 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== A Breach in the Heavens ==<br />
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For {{P|680059|A Breach in the Heavens}}, the notes have "This edition has US, UK and Canadian prices". It would be good to include the UK and Canadian prices in that note. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:52, 2 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Done (Although, I did inherit that part of the note). --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 21:20, 2 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Crippled Angel ==<br />
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Just a quick note. Excerpts get the publication date from the publication they appear in, not the pub date of the original publication (which I guess you've done for 'Druid's Sword (excerpt)' ?). I've updated this excerpt you've added to {{p|359734|The Crippled Angel}} from 2006-05-00 to 2006-08-00. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:44, 5 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks! That makes it easier to deal adding excerpts. My (apparently bad) intuition was that it would be more like a title, than a publication. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 17:26, 5 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Well, it's a title all right, but one that happens to be published together with the book it appears in. Look at it this way: excerpts are titles in their own right and are, in a way, unrelated to the work they're an excerpt from - much like short stories, really. If you look at excerpts this way, it's easy to see why they receive the date of the pub they appear in. Hope that helps? Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:02, 6 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:If it were like a real short story, the date would be when the short was first published, not when the collection or anthology it's printing in was. But nevertheless, I understand the process now. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:39, 6 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Yes, exactly so. But unless we know when this exact same excerpt was first published, we have to stick with what we know; ie the date of the publication at hand :) And by the way, thanks for your contributions! Most appreciated! Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:49, 6 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Ark Liberty ==<br />
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I've added cover art credit to {{P|264314|Ark Liberty}} since that artwork is featured on page 15 of David Mattingly's artbook Alternate Views, Alternate Universes (the signature is hidden under the publisher's red bar). [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 17:28, 15 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Asimov's The Rest of the Robots ==<br />
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I've started a [[ISFDB:Community Portal#Asimov's The Rest of the Robots|discussion]] on the Community Portal regarding some changes I'd like to make to the publications of Asimov's ''The Rest of the Robots''. Since you verified a copy, please weigh in there and let me know your opinion on the proposed changes. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:25, 15 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Yaril's Children ==<br />
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I added cover art credit to {{P|55659|Yaril's Children}} with some notes. [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 21:47, 15 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Ride the Star Winds ==<br />
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I'm trying to change the cover artist credit for {{P|376546|Ride the Star Winds}} -- the book itself (and the amazon look inside) says cover art by Stephen Hickman, but the art appears on Alan Pollack's website (under Science Fiction) and I pm'd Steve on FB and he says that isn't his art! [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 14:15, 16 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Up Jim River ==<br />
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Re {{P|338622|Up Jim River}}: Is there a reason to not include the maps (as by uncredited) in the contents? I recognize the pub note predates your edit, but if there is maps, we would generally include in the contents and you are the only active verifier at this point. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:20, 19 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Having someone to credit is one the factors I use when determining what to add while editing. However, I can go back and add the maps. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:17, 19 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Knight Life number line ==<br />
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I see that you recently added a note to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19638 Knight Life]'' indicating that it is a first printing noted by a number line. My copy has no number line. Could I get you to take a second look. If yours really does have a number line, then I would surmise that we have two different variants. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:58, 20 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:You're right, there's no number line. Not sure why I entered it that way, other than I screwed up. Edit entered to remove the number line. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:23, 20 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Tales from Not Long for This World ==<br />
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I'm going to make some changes to our mutually verified copy of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?177297 Tales from Not Long for This World]''. The title of the publication is currently listed as "Not Long for This World (abridged)" and there is a note stating "The title on the cover is preceded by 'Tales from' but not on the title page." This statement is not correct. The title page does have the words "Tales from" appearing in a smaller font above the rest of the title. I suspect that with the title depicted in negative space and the size of the font that whoever added that comment must have missed it. In any case, I'm going to alter the title and the note. I also intend to add at least one external id. Please let me know if you have any concerns. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:11, 21 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Cat*A*Lyst ==<br />
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I approved your submission for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6369 Cat*A*Lyst], but you need to now variant that title with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3428 Cat-A-Lyst], or be sure to merge it with other versions of the pub with the new title. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 15:46, 26 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
: You should probably further investigate which other pub records need to updated to the 'dotted' spelling of the title and merge/variant as needed. And by the way, the pub record now has two coverart title records too... [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:31, 26 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
I'm trying to figure out an order to attack this in. I removed the 2nd cover, and did an edit for the Canadian pb. Would it make sense to edit the title record, as I believe that most of the pubs will end up with dots? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 17:12, 26 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Depends. If you can establish that the vast majority of pubs have the dot-title, then yes, you could do that and then unmerge the few that are with a dash. Seems to me the first thing to establish is which pubs have a dot-title... Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:58, 27 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
Hmmm. 5 dots, 4 dashes, and 1 neither. I am tempted to change the main title to dots, as that would match the first appearance of the title as well. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:13, 27 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:All my edits went through, and now I'm not sure if I'm done or not. Is all right the way it is, or are there further steps? Should there be a variant title? I'm not quite sure what would be expected here. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:37, 29 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: If you look at the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3428 list] there are 3 publications (the UK Orbit ones) where the title uses the fancy character while the publication uses the "-". They need to match so if these 3 really need to have "-" (and it seems so?), the next step is to unmerge the 3 publications out from the title and then merge the 3 resulting titles and then variant the result to the main work. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:46, 29 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: One more actually: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2071918 this one] needs to be merged into the main work. Let me know if you want to try or if you want me to. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:48, 29 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::How about Katzenspiel? Do translations have different expectations? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:56, 29 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::: Technically yes but [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1652366 it] is already on its own and varianted into the main title so nothing needs to be changed in it. :) The only ones that were getting changed were the English language ones - the translations are already sorted out. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:04, 29 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::::: All approved and I also sorted out the Keith Parkinson covers (two of them were with the wrong separator). What remains now are the three reviews - for which we will need the PVs of the publications they are in to check what the separator is. Unfortunately 2 of the 3 have only inactive PVs so I would just leave the reviews alone (so just mentioning it here for the next time you are adjusting titles) :) Thanks for fixing these! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:54, 29 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::::: Looks good! Thanks for sorting these out. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 17:48, 30 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== A War of Shadows ==<br />
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Cover artist of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?149801 this] is Davis Meltzer, his signature is in the middle at the very bottom of the front cover, see [https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a4/dc/38/a4dc38fd5bb623bcacc37327e8784fcf.jpg this scan]. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 17:30, 27 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== HTMLize notes ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Changing a lengthy note from non-HTML to HTML format when adding a small piece of information is considered a bit rude and inconsiderate, especially when there are multiple PVs (such as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4783911 here]). We work as a team and one editor's format cannot (and should not) be used to overwrite everyone else's just because they are the last to edit. It will be appreciated if you show some respect to the other editors' styles - not everyone is comfortable working with HTML and we support both types of comments for a reason. <br />
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I think I mentioned that once in one of the threads but don't remember mentioning it directly on your page so decided to stop by and just post a reminder. Thanks for the understanding and thanks for adding all the additional information. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:52, 4 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok, I'll dial it back. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:54, 4 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks! If you are the only PV or you are adding extensive notes (which you often do), it is all yours - the HTML format is supported and acceptable. It is the multi-PVed ones where someone is only adding a small piece of info -- if any of the other PVs decides to, they can just go and undo the html again -- which will lead to editing wars. So we thread lightly. And it goes in the other direction as well - removing html for the sake of removal will be frowned upon as well. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]]<br />
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:::I check my altered PVs and use that as a feedback indication, rather than a call to arms. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 20:04, 4 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Interviews and special naming rules ==<br />
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Hi Glenn, <br />
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Interviews and reviews are the two types of titles that seemingly have two authors. However, due to how the DB works, only one can be varianted into a canonical name - the Interviewer and the Reviewer respectively as they are considered the authors per our definition. However - we still show the statistics for the other 2 -- and if we cannot variant, it leaves the DB in a bit of a weird state (with titles on pseudonyms pages). That means that the Interviewee and the author of the reviewed work have to be recorded with their canonical names (a note can be added to specify how they were credited). I fixed it in one of your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2782313 verified]. It is one of those weird rules that make sense but are not intuitive (thus me trying to explain the reasoning). Let me know if you have any questions. <br />
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PS: This is one of the rules everyone forgets - so you are not alone in mixing these up :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:48, 6 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:For reviews, canonical name is not required. It merely needs to be a form already in the database (see [[:Template:TitleFields:ReviewAuthor]]). If a review uses a recorded pseudonym, then we use that pseudonym. If it uses a variation of a recorded pseudonym, then we'd correct to the pseudonym. The review would then be linked to the variant title record and the software is smart enough to show the review on both the variant and parent title. See this {{T|2752126|review}}, {{T|2515290|variant}}, and {{T|2515291|parent}} for an example. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:08, 6 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Oops. Thanks for the correction and clarification on that one. You are right of course - for reviews the form of the name just need to exist and match the title we connect to. I came to explain the rule for interviews, decided to add the second special type and made a mess of it. Thanks for the catch. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:17, 6 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Gadget Maker ==<br />
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Is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4786827 this] speculative fiction? The [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gadget_Maker Wikipedia synopsis] certainly doesn't make it seem so. It would seem to fall into our "Techno-thriller, political thriller and satire works set in a future indistinguishable from the present" (where the present is 1954) clause. Is their synopsis misleading? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:23, 6 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I haven't read it. I bought it many years ago thinking it was, but old-school techno-thriller seems to characterize accurately. I was thinking that stories about engineers making rockets seemed close. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:27, 6 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::Okay, let's exclude it until you have a chance to read it. If you find that it has some speculative elements, we can unreject the submission. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:30, 6 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Could you point me at where it talks about the scope for the site? Thanks. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:35, 6 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Sure. It's [[ISFDB:Policy#Contents.2FProject_Scope_Policy]]. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:37, 6 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Don Lynch --> Howard Koslow? ==<br />
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Hi Glenn, please take a look at [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Possible_correction_of_artist this possible finding]. Right now, you seem to be the only available PV editor. Would you like to comment over at the noticeboard (and possibly take action)? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:30, 7 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Cerulean Sins ==<br />
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You really should change the cover [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?63268 here] - a /P/ Amazon image can be changed at any time :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:22, 8 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Never mind - apparently you did on a next update ;) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:24, 8 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Novel ending page ==<br />
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Hello. Just a heads-up. For publications where the printed page numbers go beyond the end of the novel, add a note stating "Novel ends on page xxx" (I could swear this is somewhere in the rules, but couldn't find it... ah well... still think it's a good idea to add it to the notes :). [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?423759 Here] for example, you updated the page count from 531 to 549, and added an excerpt starting on p535. This leads me to believe that the novel proper ended on p.531, correct? Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 10:00, 24 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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Same for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?426654 this one] [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 10:28, 24 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Winter Song ==<br />
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Hi have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4808064 your submission] on hold, as I wonder if it wouldn't be better to state that the US edition has the author's name in Orange, instead of outright deleting the statement? Like you did when you updated the US edition ? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 10:08, 24 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Resubmitted per your suggestion. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:19, 24 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== King's Property ==<br />
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I approved [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?803678 this one] but looking at the one we have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?99721 here], it seems like it is a duplicate. The 11st seems like a typo for 1st and the price being the same in both Canada and USA kinda points to the original record being also a first edition - an 11th will be much later so at least one of the prices should be different. Would you like to update the old record and add your notes and updates there? Sorry for not catching it before approval. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:52, 25 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Sapphire Rose ==<br />
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You are PV2 on the sapphire Rose by David Eddings. Either you or PV1 named the map The Sapphire Rose (maps) with the 1992 publication date. If you check your copy I think you will see it is signed and dated 1988. This map was used in all three books of the Elenium. In fact, the publisher refers to this map as the Eosia map on the copyright page of the first book in the next series. Let me know if you have a problem with me changing this. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 14:53, 25 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Fine with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:05, 25 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Auto-da-Fé ==<br />
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Hello Glenn. I noticed that you added {{t|2803502|Auto-da-Fé}} as a replacement for {{t|59204|Auto-da-Fe}} (without accent aigu) to the 1967 publication {{p|52497|Turning On}}, but with the same publication year (1961). However, as far as we know the variant {{t|2803502|Auto-da-Fé}} was first published in the 1967 edition of {{p|52497|Turning On}} (or perhaps for the first time in the 1966 edition {{p|52496|Turning On: Thirteen Stories}}), surely not in 1961. So I've updated the year of first publication of Auto-da-Fé as 1967. Let me know if you would disagree (and why).<br />
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As an aside, there seems to be a similar problem with {{t|57077|Semper Fi}}, which seems to have been first published as {{t|187371|Satisfaction}} in 1964-08. The first occurrence of Semper Fi (at least in our DB) is not earlier than 1966-08 (the first edition of {{p|52496|Turning On}} - so seems like Satisfaction is a variant of Semper Fi instead of the other way around. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:28, 23 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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: When a story gets more popular under a later title, we use the LATER name as a canonical title. This is the case with Semper Fi so reversing the variant is not needed even if there is a SINGLE publication under a different title before that. Canonical title does not always mean "first title". [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:12, 23 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Sun in Glory: And Other Tales of Valdemar ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4884983 this] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4884986 this] - are "Sun in Glory" "And Other Tales of Valdemar" exactly the same size on the title page? If not, then the way we have it now is correct - a subtitle is added by adding ":" between it and the title. The only case when your proposed change will be valid is if "and..." is not a subtitle but appears as part of the title itself (same font, same size) on the title page. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:35, 17 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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: It's a different font size, but the 'and' is lower case. My feeling is that the font is smaller on the second line because the words wouldn't fit otherwise. I took the subtitle instructions <b>It is sometimes a judgement call as to whether a change of font or a colon indicates a subtitle or just some creative license on the part of the typesetter. If in doubt, take your best guess and document the guess in the publication's notes.</b> as an indication of some leeway allowed in the rule.<br />
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: There's some additional rationale I left on on Marc Kupper's talk page. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 05:00, 18 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Yeah, I know it is a subjective clause and I saw that we have the rest of the series in a different way. However both [https://www.worldcat.org/title/sun-in-glory-and-other-tales-of-valdemar/oclc/53478242 OCLC] and [https://catalog.loc.gov/vwebv/search?searchCode=LCCN&searchArg=2004596794&searchType=1&permalink=y LCCN] threat is as a subtitle and inject the ":" in there. The lower case is not that unusual - capitalizing the subtitle's first word when it is one of the small words is not the rule in all the style formats... Let me think on that for a bit. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:00, 18 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Horse and His Boy ==<br />
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Hi Glenn, I've accepted your submission, but can you double check [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?822020 this pub record]'s date, as I suspect that the pub date must be 1976-00-00 (per your notes) iso 1974? Thanks! Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:49, 5 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks! Edit submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:18, 5 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Publishers vs Publication series ==<br />
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Hi, why do you want books published as Ace Fantasy to be under a separate publisher '[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?54310 Ace Fantasy Books'], instead of putting those books in the publication series [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1312 'Ace Fantasy']. Is Ace Fantasy Books at a different address than Ace Science fiction, or are they in fact two desks in the same office? Please explain.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 08:07, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
: The same with Tor.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 08:09, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: For the Ace ones, they are listed as Ace Fantasy Books on the cover, title page, and copyright page. The only address given is for the Berkeley Publishing Group. It is a separate imprint and not a pub series. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:40, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
::: If the same holds true for the four that are now given as pub series we have to enter them likewise, not like the hodge-podge it is now.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 08:57, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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::::To complicate matters, there are Ace 'fantasy' books that really seem to be a publication series, in that they say 'Fantasy' on the spine, but not the title page. Tor seems to be more consistent, in that the spine and title page always matches, at least that I've seen. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:28, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: I just noticed the edit [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4905749] from Dirk that removed the pub series marker. However there is a 'Fantasy' marker on the top of spine (but not the title page). Not sure what the rules are for pub series. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:38, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Publication_Series See our wiki].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 10:46, 7 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:::If there exist fantasy pubs published by Ace Books (and not by Ace Fantasy Books), then I guess that edit should be reversed, and notes added to both the pub and the pub series record to clarify. (And perhaps a note cautioning editors not to delete the pub series)[[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 02:54, 7 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:::: Sounds like a good idea, explaining in the notes why the book should be in a publication series named 'fantasy' while such is not evident from cover, nor title page.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 10:44, 7 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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::It's not clear to me what criteria should be used to decide something is a publication series. It seems obvious with cover markup like <b>Jim Baen Present</b> or <b>Ace Science Fiction Special</b>, but is a single category word like <b>Fantasy</b> on the spine enough? My assumption is that the imprint takes priority over pub series, e.g., publications wouldn't be both in pub series <b>Ace Fantasy</b> and imprint <b>Ace Fantasy Books</b> simultaneously. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:42, 7 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: There is no restriction imposed, so it is possible to have pub series <b>Ace Fantasy</b> and imprint <b>Ace Fantasy Books</b> simultaneously. Whether that is the right choice depends on what's on or in the books, even how the series is perceived, how it is marketed, etc... If there's fantasy on the spine of publications by imprint Ace Fantasy Books, I'd record it as such - and add clarifying notes all over the place :) One advantage of doing so is that you could link fantasy pubs by Ace Books with fantasy pubs by Ace Fantasy Books when using the same pub series name (provided of course these can be considered part of the same publication series, only published by (slightly) different publishers) - it has happened before (for example when a publisher started a series, which later became an imprint of another publisher who took over/merged with the first). [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:04, 8 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== ISBN 0-87997-133-9 ==<br />
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Hi, For both the DAW publications [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?108641 The Stone That Never Came Down UY1150] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?255142 Spawn of Laban UQ1133] you derived the ISBN-10 from the catalog number. Problem is that the ISBN-10 is in both cases 0-87997-133-9...--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 05:13, 23 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Ooops. Accidently used the DAW# instead of the catalog number when generating. Edit submitted. Thanks. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:34, 23 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Exiled from Earth ==<br />
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Added cover artist John Mardon for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?786152 this]. Same cover art as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291295 this] edition. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 03:29, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Thanks --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:23, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Shatterday ==<br />
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Added a note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30186 this] edition. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 02:31, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Sheri or Sherri? ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?322814] should be by Sheri S. Tepper. Can you check and fix if needed? --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:19, 28 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Fixed. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:36, 28 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Outcasts of Order ==<br />
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Hi Glen, you are the PV for a pb edition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?828351 Outcasts of Order]. I have been consolidating the names of the three maps used throughout this series. The relevant maps for this book are [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?821981 The World (Saga of Recluce) (map)] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2848218 Candar and Recluce (map)]. I would be happy to import them for you. Let me know. John [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 18:51, 6 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Go for it. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:26, 6 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Recluse maps ==<br />
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All three maps were set up and the different names were merged. If you are verifying any that do not yet have the maps, go ahead and import them. I thought I got all the through book 20, but, I could have missed one. Just look at the HC for any title you are verifying to see the appropriate map. You will catch on to the naming scheme I used. John [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 19:20, 9 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Just looked at some of your latest PV's. You will need to do some importing. If a pub had no PV, Annie asked me to leave it blank. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 19:29, 9 April 2021 (EDT)d<br />
: I'm unfamiliar with the import process. From the sound of it, it's different than just editing the publication and adding titles, but I'm not sure where to start.<br />
:: Would you like me to do them, or try to explain the procedure.? I will be glad to do either. If you would like me to do them, make sure you have PV all of yours so I can tell which pubs are yours. So far {{p|38180| Death of Chaos}} and {{p|13068| Fall of Angels}} are the only ones missing the maps. John [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 21:41, 9 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: I've got the imports figured out and am progressing through the series. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:00, 10 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: I'm glad you are doing it on your own. Be careful, you have imported the wrong map to {{p|249991|Natural Ordermage}}. The second map should be {{t|821981|Hamor (map)}}. If your not sure which are the correct maps, you can look at the three map title pages and you will see which books use each map.[[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 19:12, 10 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::: I just noticed a Hamor map, but your link points at 'world'. Was in the process of looking for the proper map. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:14, 10 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::: Sorry about that! . Watch out for Arms-Commander, just uses one map. [[User Talk: Scifibones|John]] 19:54, 9 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::::: Edit submitted for Natural Ordermage. I noticed the single map at least. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:23, 10 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::::: So you found this map? {{t|2851224|Hamor(map}}[[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 19:27, 10 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::::::: Yep. Had a problem for a bit, but changed search from 'fiction titles' to 'all titles' and found it then. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:29, 10 April 2021 (EDT<br />
Check which map you imported into "The Mongrel Mage". [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 12:18, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: It looks ok to me. What issue are you seeing? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:34, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: I just looked at my book again to check. The second map should be the "Hamor (map)" not the "Candor and Recluce (map)" . Hit me up anytime John [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 16:45, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: I just checked again, and my copy of the book has "Candar and Recluse" as the 2nd map. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:47, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Interesting, the publisher printed the wrong one in one of them. I haven't read it yet, so I can't sy which. Lol. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 16:53, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::: I've read them, and the Candar map is correct. Volumes 19-21 are a subseries with the same main character. I'd guess that the HC had the wrong map, and it got fixed for the PB edition. Perhaps we should add some notes. --![[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 17:04, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::: I'll try to get hold of a HC copy of "Mage-Fire War" this week and see if it is corrected there. Then a note will probably be in order. I'll let you know what I find out. [[User Talk:Scifibones| John]] 17:10, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::::: Yes, please, add notes for that weird map changing between formats :) And this is exactly why I am a bit careful before adding maps to editions that someone does not have access to. Thanks for working on these, gentlemen! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:35, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::::: I went ahead and submitted the following note for "The Mongrel Mage". Tor erroneously included the map of "Hamor" on pages [10]-[11]. The map featuring "Candar and Recluce" is the proper map. This was corrected by the 1st printing of the mass market paperback, verified <a href="http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?674427">Here</a> (only Here will show) . I'm borrowing "Mage-Fire War" tonight, although I expect it is correct since "Outcasts of Order" is correct. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 13:54, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::::::: I just noticed that you didn't change the publisher to <i>Tor Fantasy</i>. Is the hardcover not marked so on the title page? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:21, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::: Nope, still just Tor. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 19:51, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::::::: Just to make sure... there's no little shield with 'Tor Fantasy' over it on the bottom of the title page... My Tor fantasy HCs have such. (in other titles). More fully, I'd expect <br />
::::::::: Just checked Mage-Fire HC look-inside on Amazon and saw just the plain Tor. Oh well, more inconsistencies between formats. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 20:31, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::: I have The Mongrel Mage open in front of me. No shield. "Tor" (over) "Tom Doherty Associates Book" (over) "New York". I worked late today so I am picking up Mage-Fire War at lunch tomorrow. If it shows Tor Fantasy I will surely make the change when I verify it. I promise to post a note here and let you know. I will also double check Outcasts of Order. It's always possible I could have missed it there. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 21:08, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::::::::: Outcasts of Order is just Tor. The only 2 I see, in the Recluce series, are the first two books. I posted a note [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard#Publisher Imprints|Here]] to see how they want me to handle these. I never even paid attention to them, glad you pointed it out. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 13:08, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Tor® | fantasy | shield with stars on top, mountain below | A Tom Doherty Associates Book | New York <br />
Do you plan on doing the maps for the Imager series? Just started my PV pass there. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 21:44, 10 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:I will at some point, right now I'm making an effort to verify more of my collection. Next time I do one, if pb's are involved, I'll solicit your help. Interested? John [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 10:08, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: I've started the Imager series with using shared maps in mind. And sure, let me know if you would like help in the future. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:34, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Day of the Dragonstar ==<br />
<br />
Hello, <br />
<br />
Would you mind checking [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Thomas_F._Monteleone.27s_Dragonstar this discussion]? Thanks1 :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:31, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Can you stop by and check something in this one again? We are trying to determine if the German one is a translation of the serial or the book and Christian has questions about the serial. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:23, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Manifold: Time ==<br />
<br />
I'm changing title to conform to standards, removing the series name for {{p|21370|Manifold: Time}}. John [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 13:00, 16 April 2021 (EDT) I also removed the cover art title, "Jacket design by David Stevenson from HC"<br />
<br />
: This not attempt to dissuade you from the change, but give some thoughts about why I didn't do this removal while PVing.<br />
<br />
: I'm more likely to keep the series name in the title if it seems to be intrinsically part of the title. So a series subtitle seems less intrinsic than one that comes first with a following colon, like <b>Manifold: Time</b>. And a title like <b>Lucky Starr and the Pirates of the Asteroids</b> I would never attempt the removal upon. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 17:40, 17 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: The moderators asked me to make this change in all the publications of the trilogy. I was actually arguing in favor of your position. Originally I posted a link to the conversation, but, on second thought, ask Annie directly. She will explain it better than reading through the original back and forth. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 21:26, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:MagicUnk#Your_comment_re:_Origin Here's the conversation]. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 10:04, 19 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== To Clear Away the Shadows ==<br />
<br />
I recently read the book, and I was surprised to find that the book contains all new characters, different from anyone in the preceding 12 books. I asked a question in the help desk wiki about how to know when a new sub-series was starting, and Annie said to leave it for now and put a note into it. So I did. I also asked David Drake what his plans were on his website. We'll see what he says, or what he does. Jack [[User:Sjmathis|Sjmathis]] 10:09, 17 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Lost in Translation ==<br />
<br />
Would you mind double checking the cover art credit for {{P|20799|Lost in Translation}}? It is common for people to see "Courtney" when the artist's actual name is {{A|Cortney Skinner}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:42, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Spelled with a 'u' on the copyright page. (Courtney) --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:19, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Dangerous Visions ==<br />
<br />
I picked up a copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8713 this] and note that it states gutter codes are printed on page 544. My copy definately has "Book Club Edition" at bottom of front flap and the number 1179 on the rear flap but alas page 544 has no code at all. Is there anywhere else within the book a gutter code might have been printed ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 13:09, 22 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: I have '46I' on the bottom of page 539. In general, start at the end and work your way back 5 or 10 pages. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:55, 22 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Thank you. That was very helpful. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 01:15, 23 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Publisher New Infinities ==<br />
<br />
Hi <br />
<br />
Another user left a [[User talk:Rtrace#Publisher name|note]] on my talk page questioning the difference between the publishers [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?62967 New Infinities Productions / Ace] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?38481 New Infinities / Ace]. I double checked my book and the publisher is credited as "New Infinity Productions, Inc." throughout the book, including the cover and spine logo. You are one of the only two active verifiers who has [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?42789 a book] by the publisher with the shorter name (and in fact, I have a copy of the same book). While I don't think we need to include "Inc.", I do think the longer name is more appropriate. Do you have any objections if I merge these two publishers taking the longer name? I'm checking with the other active verifier as well. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:31, 23 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:52, 23 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Sporting Chance ==<br />
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I approved your changes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?325550 Sporting Chance], but I eliminate the [3] pages and put the [24] pages of the excerpt in parens instead. This makes the pagination in the contents clearer, and noone will miss the three pages in between. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 17:59, 24 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Another map consolidation ==<br />
<br />
Hi Glenn, As a PV of many volumes please follow link to review proposed changes to [[User talk:Scifibones #Magic Kingdom of Landover map consolidation| Magic Kingdom of Landover map consolidation]]. Hopefully you thought the last one was beneficial. John, [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 19:27, 24 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Victory Conditions ==<br />
<br />
I approved your submission [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?273491 Victory Conditions], but one thing you should know. When you enter the Canadian price for a pub use "C$xx.xx", not just "$xx.xx". Canadian and U.S. dollars are not the same. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 22:49, 24 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Leftovers from the previous version of the notes. I just changed the number line. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 05:42, 25 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== First Lord's Fury ==<br />
<br />
Added a couple notes and ext id to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?293159 First Lord's Fury]. Noticed you called the map "First Lord's Fury (map)" even though it has a title "The Realm of Alera". In fact there are two title records with that name. Do you have an objection to merging your title into "The Realm of Alera (map)" with those? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:06, 5 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
: No objection. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:06, 5 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Turn Coat] ==<br />
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Added pub note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?273980 Turn Coat] [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:47, 5 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
--[[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 14:48, 5 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Cuckoo's Egg ==<br />
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I added this note --"Cover painting by Randall Asplund" credited on rear flap, the artwork is signed ©1985 Randy Aspland on back cover-- to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8429 Cuckoo's Egg]. Hope you don't mind. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:58, 11 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Chanur's Legacy ==<br />
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Adding a couple pub notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6627 Chanur's Legacy] [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:50, 12 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Stardrift ==<br />
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Cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?444493 this] is Jack Faragasso. Cover art credit from a signed print of the artwork for sale on the US Amazon site here: https://www.amazon.com/Stardrift-Signed-Fine-Print-Faragasso/dp/B08959P3MQ --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 13:11, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Proposed Map Consolidation ==<br />
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As a PV of at least one publication of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?369 Inheritor] or [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?20011 Precursor] , please take a moment to look at [[User Talk:Scifibones #Foreigner Map Consolidation| Foreigner Map Consolidation]] and leave your comments. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:20, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Go for it. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:22, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Submitted edit today [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:18, 19 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Winds of the Forelands ==<br />
<br />
I have two questions related to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?18321 Winds of the Forelands] series.<br />
# I noticed we have different cover artists credited for the hc and pb versions of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?27498 Bonds of Vengeance]. The covers look very similar, would you mind double checking?<br />
:: My paperback says "Cover art by Gary Ruddell" on the back cover.<br />
# I am the sole verifier of all the hc editions with one exception, Same for you for the pb editions. I set up a title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?919662 Winds of the Forelands (map)] Do you mind if I merge in the different map titles?<br />
:: They're probably the same between hc and pb, but unless one of us scans and shares somehow, and the other compares, it's just a guess. But in general, merging maps that are identical is fine with me. <br />
I hope I'm not bothering you with all these requests. You have such an impressive library, you always have books included in my proposed merges. I hate having multiple titles for the same artwork. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:37, 19 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
: No problem with the requests. The map merging wasn't on my radar when I started PVing about almost a year ago. I've been working through the novel/collection section of my library, and I'm up to 'N'. Finish them, then anthologies, and then shared world crud. And then digest magazines. Maybe a couple more years? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:27, 19 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks for checking the artist credit. I'll import the map into "Bonds of Vengeance" while I'm at it. That is the only pb pub that didn't have a map entry. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:23, 19 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Done. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:15, 21 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Final Encyclopedia ==<br />
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Added couple pub notes and imported [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?921044 Afterword: The Door into Darkness] into [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?39770 The Final Encyclopedia]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:12, 25 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Chantry Guild ==<br />
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Added a couple design credits to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36981 The Chantry Guild]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:23, 25 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Belgariad: Part One ==<br />
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Made a pub date change, added some notes and OCLC to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?256970 The Belgariad: Part One] You will see another change when I import the map title. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:14, 5 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Riftwar Universe ==<br />
<br />
Hi Glen, I have submitted edits for many of the HC's in the Riftwar Universe. You are a PV'er for some of these. Wanted to let you know. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:07, 13 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Commune 2000 A.D. / Mack Reynolds ==<br />
<br />
Putting this entry in my messages for multiple commenters...<br />
<br />
While PVing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?210233 Commune 2000 A.D. / Mack Reynolds] I noticed that the cover with '30p' doesn't match mine without.<br />
Do your copies look like the cover in the entry?<br />
<br />
It appears from the edit history that BLongley added the note about 30p and Corgi, but it's not clear to me if he<br />
was referring to the cover image, or his copy of the book.<br />
<br />
I can update the image with a scan of my copy, but wanted to know if appropriate. <br />
(I currently have an edit pending with additional changes).<br />
<br />
--[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 02:26, 6 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:My copy has no '30p'. I'll move my verification to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?433528 this edition] that was probably entered by Bluesman in 2013 for the same reason. I.m.o. we should change the publisher of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?210233 Bill Longley's copy] to Bantam / Corgi and the price to £0.30. Unfortunately we can't ask Bill anymore. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 04:39, 6 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
: ps, I fixed your link, it didn't work and thanks for noticing this! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 04:41, 6 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
::I moved my verification as well. Thanks. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 09:28, 6 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: I have moved my verification to the original Bantam version as well. Good catch! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 09:52, 6 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Is someone going to edit the 30p record? Or was that an indirect request for me to do so? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:23, 6 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I did since nobody opposed my suggestion. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:52, 6 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: The only thing that seems odd with your suggestion is that that's the only book by this 'new' publisher. Is the intent that it should be used for books with Bantam covers with the price overprint? If so, perhaps a note in the publisher indicating so. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:31, 6 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Last 14 ==<br />
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Hi GlennMcG -<br />
Could I get you to check the title page of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?210717 this] publication? Clute/Nicholls, Reginald1 and Worldcat all have the title as "The Last Fourteen". Tuck has it as we do. Given the discrepancy, I wonder if the title page perhaps has the number spelled out. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:23, 6 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: The title page has it spelled out as <B>THE LAST FOURTEEN</B>. Sorry I missed that when PVing. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:49, 6 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::I checked my copy and changed the title to conform with the titlepage. Thanks! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 16:38, 7 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Sandstorm ==<br />
<br />
Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5050003 this submission]: We already have an entry for the {{P|314339|first Avon edition}}. This entry looks like a duplicate? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:56, 7 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: There appears to be two versions. One with a regular cover as shown, and one with the plastic lens in front of the artwork forming a 3d effect. It's not clear (to me) if they came out concurrently, or at different times. I didn't want to just change the existing one, as the cover doesn't match my copy. Also note that it includes a different excerpt. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:33, 7 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Sorry for the delay. The edit has been approved. I still question whether the original version is correct. It has "Data from Locus1. OCLC notes there is an excerpt from the next book in the series." and no page numbers even though it was verified. That implies the verifier didn't take much care when verifying it, but looking at the pub history, I see they are the ones that added the excerpt. Unfortunately, they have not been active in almost a year so we will have to go with what's there. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:58, 13 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Aymé's Walker-Through-Walls ==<br />
<br />
Hi<br />
<br />
Could I get you to double check the title page of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?216109 this collection]? I am suspicious of the hyphen between "The" and "Walker". Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:55, 14 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: THE | WALKER- | THROUGH- | WALLS | Originally published as | ACROSS PARIS and Other Stories<br />
: --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 17:25, 14 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Thuvia, Maid of Mars ==<br />
<br />
I have cloned [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?51344 this pub] of Thuvia, Maid of Mars as there are two variations differentiated by the address and the ad at the end. Your primary verification may be incorrect. The edit and clone were just submitted. Given the backlog, I expect a few days before they are processed. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 16:31, 24 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Monster Men ==<br />
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I have cloned [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44274 this pub] of ''The Monster Men'' as there are two variations differentiated by the ad at the end. Your primary verification may be incorrect. The edit and clone were just submitted. Given the backlog, I expect a few days before they are processed. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 16:31, 24 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Moon Maid ==<br />
<br />
I have cloned [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44315 this pub] of ''The Moon Maid'' as there are two variations differentiated by the publisher address. Your primary verification may be incorrect. The edit and clone were just submitted. Given the backlog, I expect a few days before they are processed. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 16:31, 24 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Blood Magic Series ==<br />
<br />
Would you mind if I changed the series name "Blood Magic" to "Blood Magic (Cook)" for titles [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1032007 Blood Magic] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?829648 Nights of Sin]? I accidentally added the 7 titles in a newer Blood Magic series to the existing one. Since the older one only has two members, it would be easier to change the series name for just those two titles. Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 22:17, 26 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Not a problem. Although it might make sense to rename the other series to <b>Blood Magic (Kraus/Lawrence)</b> as well. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 22:52, 26 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
::That does makes sense. I'll do that as well. Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:26, 27 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Splitting some Burroughs publications you have verified ==<br />
<br />
Some existing Burroughs publications you have PV'd have two variants that need to be split. You have verified <br />
[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44274 Monster Men], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44315 The Moon Maid], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?26181 Pirates of Venus], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34557 Tarzan and the Lost Empire] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?51344 Thuvia Maid of Mars]<br />
<br />
Please check [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Holmesd#Changing_Burroughs_Books_.28Poll.29 this poll] to help determine which variant is the existing entry, and which is created. Your participation is appreciated. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 23:35, 26 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Hagberg Flash Gordon credit ==<br />
<br />
You are the only active verifier of several books in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?25924 Flash Gordon] series by David Hagberg. All of these have a note that Hagberg is not credited within the book. Do you have any objection if I correct the publication records to reflect that Hagberg is uncredited? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:17, 6 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I'm not sure what you want to do. Is it to change the author from Hagberg to uncredited on the publication records? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 02:29, 7 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Yes, that's part of it. I would then unmerge the publication from Hadberg's title record and remerge them to the uncredited variant. I did this with the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?298218 one] book in the series where there were no active verifiers, if you'd like to see how it would look. Books without an author credit should be entered as uncredited and if we know the actual author's name, as in this case, we make them variants with the author's name in the parent title. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:19, 7 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: I take it that authors work differently than cover artists then? I've seen any number of publications with cover artist uncredited in/on the book, but filled in from other sources. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:02, 7 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::Yes. Artists follow different rules. For example we never enter a cover artist as "uncredited". Also it is permissible to credit an artist from a secondary source outside of the book. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:20, 7 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Sure, then go for it. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 00:28, 8 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::All done. Thanks! --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:29, 8 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Well of Ascension ==<br />
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Why removing the date from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5077693 here]? The note looks like a first printing? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:51, 8 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Never mind - inverted line. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:09, 8 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Black|Gold|Red Unicorn - Tanith Lee ==<br />
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The publisher for Black|Gold is 'Tor & Byron Preiss'. My copy of Gold seems like it should really be 'Tor Fantasy & Byron Preiss'. Black|Gold are the only instances of this publisher. Ron, would you check your copies? Taweiss is a PVer for Red which is currently 'Tor'. Conceivably, it should be changed to 'Tor Fantasy', or 'Tor Fantasy & Byron Preiss' as well.<br />
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Black: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36109]<br />
Gold: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15717]<br />
Red: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27659]<br />
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Thanks. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:34, 23 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:My copies of the paperbacks for Black and Gold do have the Tor Fantasy logo. I also have the hardcover of Red, and that is simply Tor. A Byron Preiss Book appears in all copies that I have access to, including those published by Atheneum. I'm fine with the addition of Fantasy to the records discussed. I'm ambivalent about the inclusion of Preiss. Is it a co-publication, imprint, or is he simply the editor? Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:15, 23 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: The fact that 'Byron Preiss' shows up in the Athenium editions makes me feel like its more a contributor credit, rather than a publisher. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 01:24, 24 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Based on my copy of "Red", "Tor Fantasy" looks right to me. [[User:Taweiss|TAWeiss]] 18:24, 25 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Fire Sanctuary ==<br />
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Cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13650 this] (according to Adam Rowe's 70s Sci-Fi Art postings) is Don Dixon. It's also credited [https://fineartamerica.com/featured/fire-sanctuary-don-dixon.html?product=greeting-card here]. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:31, 24 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Feghoot LXIX ==<br />
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Hi Glenn<br />
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While importing Feghoots from your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37411 copy] of ''The Compleat Feghoot'', I noticed that Feghoot LXIX appears to be a limerick and I think we should probably change it from a story to a poem. I left a note on the other verifier's page, but they haven't been active in the last month. If you agree, I'll go ahead and make the change. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:56, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I checked, and I agree. Fine with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 21:20, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== I, Zombie ==<br />
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I understand that the publisher used all caps on the copyright page for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17696 this] but unless you clarify that specifically in the note, it looks like someone is shouting and someone may decide to clear it up. Yes - I know that the quotes mean "from the book as is" in your template but... that is your convention and people may have other ones. So some notes in cases like that are important (even just adding (from the copyright page) after the closing quote will be enough to indicate where this came from). I'd use normal capitalization (and add a note in brackets after it saying that it is in all caps on the copyright page) quite honestly if I were you... but up to you. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:34, 8 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: It seems like quotation marks have a fairly well known meaning even outside the conventions I use when entering notes. Not sure how to quote something without actually quoting it. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 21:48, 8 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: For quoting the text - yes. For showing the styling of the text (as opposed to an editor making it all caps so it is more visible on the page as the only thing they want to quote from the book) - not always as clear - we had had editors using all kinds of ways to separate the "from the book verbatim" from the actual notes and all caps, italics and so on had not been unheard of. And your other quote from the same page is not even in quotes (the number line). Leave it as is if you prefer but someone may decide to "fix" it one day. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:56, 8 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Duchess of Kneedeep ==<br />
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Cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38924 this] has been identified as Richard Bober. Original canvas with citation [https://www.comicartfans.com/gallerypiece.asp?piece=1374598 here]. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 10:45, 13 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Law of War ==<br />
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Let's talk about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5118810 this one]. How is Henderson involved in this novel? Because the record as it is now is very very confused and needs fixing - but I need to know how Henderson is involved so we do the correct thing. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:31, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Obliquely credited co-author, like the first volume in the series. I've been trying a sequence of edits to make it parallel to Man O'War, but I'm pretty sure I haven't taken the most direct path. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:20, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: You are going in the opposite direction from where you need to go. What needs to happen:<br />
::* The ones inside of the publications remain with Shatner only. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5118261 This] should not have been approved because now you need to eject THAT from both books and insert another which makes no sense. Reversing it will mean that only one step remains:<br />
::* Create a parent with Henderson and Shatner. <br />
:: I've reversed the edit and made the needed parent. Here is the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2931922 new parent]. I will leave it to you to add a note explaining Henderson's involvement. <br />
:: When crediting for ghost-writing, leave the titles inside of the books on their own (as credited basically), all you need is a parent record with both names on it. That way it will show up on both authors' bibliographies while the title inside of the book will match what is on the publication (which is how the DB is supposed to work). <br />
:: If the ghost writer was not a known author, we would threat it as a pseudonym (the help page even says that - that's when there is some rigmarole to be done with variants) but as Henderson has his own books, that does not work. Thus the double name on a parent to show it on both. Let me know if you have any questions. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:28, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Should the note go in the title or the publication? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:12, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: I'd add it on both quite honestly? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:26, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::: But if you want one - title level. That will explain to someone finding the variant why we have Henderson in the parent. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:40, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== War of the Worlds: New Millennuim ==<br />
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Hi Glenn,<br />
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Are you sure that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?87597 your verified] is called "War of the Worlds: New Millennuim" and not "War of the Worlds: New Millennium" (the last i and u are inverted). :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 07:07, 20 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: You caught me. I'd go with 'iu' normally. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:00, 20 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: And fixed. The title record, the rest of the pubs and the cover were already fixed earlier today so we are all set. Thanks! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:03, 20 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Nimrod Hunt ==<br />
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Since you are [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5125451 submitting] significant changes (page counts, publisher), you need to discuss the changes with the primary verifiers first. As far as I can tell, none of them have been contacted. Please contact them (the active ones, anyway) and have them post here. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 10:45, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Please include your name in request. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:15, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:GlennMcG&curid=192014&action=history History]: Nihonjoe forgot to sign. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:31, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: This type of edit seems to be a expansion or refinement of the information already there, rather than a significant change, at least to me. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:36, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: I have checked my copy and the proposed changes match what it contains. That said, it's conceivable that some other verified pubs may be different. For example, the 8 unnumbered pages in the back of this book are mostly promotional material plus an excerpt. Since it's a mass market paperback published in the mid-1980s, it's unlikely that the number of pages will differ from copy to copy, but we have come across very minor differences which were our only clue that we were dealing with two different versions of the book (US/Canada, a cheap reprint, etc.) Experience suggests that it's safer to err on the side of caution :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:09, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent)(after edit conflict - and pulling that separately so the actual request to the PVs edit is more visible) Publisher changes and page number changes are significant changes (unless you are working on a pre-agreed thing like the Tor Fantasy thing where you actually discussed with the PVs early on.). Sometimes it may mean that there are two different books out there that we had not managed to split yet. Sometimes it can lead to a discussion on how to record the publisher in that specific case - there is a thin line sometimes between publisher, pub series inside of a publisher and a publishing line). In all cases not talking to the PVs when there are active ones on the list and when you had not cleared with them the type of changes you are making is considered in bad taste. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:12, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Hmmm. I've made identical (parallel) edits to a fair number of books in the past without issue whiling PVing in the past. There's a trade off on bothering to record additional information vs the effort in doing so. I've done about 10,000 PVs in the last year or so, and have another 5,000 to go. I don't want to annoy folk, but the latency in getting approval tends to be somewhat off-putting. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 17:38, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Moderators will skip over some of your edits (thus adding a long delay on them) because they are not cleared with the PVs. If you pre-clear with the PVs and mention it in the notes, the approvals will be a lot smoother. It is a community project and the point of the PV program is that someone checked a physical book for the parts of the record that are coming from it. That means that any change in the data they verified kinda invalidates their verification unless they recheck. We cannot do anything for the non-active verifiers. A moderator usually do not have the same book to be able to judge if you are correct or the existing record is correct. So we try to get the active PVs to check.<br />
:: What is the point of a Primary Verification if tomorrow another editor can come and change the Publisher name and the page numbers or any other data coming directly from the book the PV verified? Should we just allow anyone to just change the data without even an attempt for a second person to look at the book? :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:47, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Then what is the changed primary verifications notification for? I check every one I receive, mostly as feedback to what I might do better, but also to see if there is a clash with my copy of the book. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 17:59, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Relatively minor changes - notes, external IDs, formatting, adding a cover based on secondary sources, adding other data from secondary sources - things like that. And even for some of them, some editors will notify (especially for covers). It is a relatively new feature - the traditional way is to notify, preferably gaining support before the edit is done for big changes. Plus post approval, the old data is lost -- unless it was originally added in the last few years (so can be derived from a previous edit that is in the history), the old data is gone as soon as a moderator presses approve. Which means that if we need to revert back, we need to pull from the archived versions of the site which can be a pain.<br />
:: And just to put this into perspective a bit. If a different editor looks at this book tomorrow, verifies it and decides that the Publisher should be "Baen", should that be approved just because they are the latest PV? Then you get a notification, decide to change it back and... what next? An editing war? We are doing all we can to never end up in that situation. <br />
:: If you are now working on the Baen books, write up your thinking for the change as you did for Tor Fantasy changes, post in CS and ping the active PVs for the different books and point them there. Once we have agreement, just point to it in the notes - and we can approve bsed on that. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:11, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: My thinking was that if I saw a change in the notifications that I didn't agree with, I'd start a discussion at that point. But I've gone in and fixed html typos without such. And I understand the concept of institutional inertia. Not having a deterministic rollback mechanism seems foreign to me, as a software developer, everything is under source control. Any reason why the edit history entries don't contain before and after values? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:23, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Typos do not require a notification on one's page - just add in the moderator notes that you are fixing typos so people know when they look at the edit post-approval and that's it. That's what the PV changes list is for. Noone will ask you to go talk to people about it. So do you propose that we allow any editor to change the data on any book any way they want and then wait for the PVs to complain after the fact?<br />
:::: The history records were never built to be a history - they are just the approved submissions for this ID. As such when the system was built, it was not considered important to keep the old state after approval - it is there during approval and there was no way to search through old submissions unless you page manually through the pages of the Recent Edits or go to the DB directly. So having "old state" was... not really needed much.<br />
:::: Then we linked the Histories on each type of a record a few years back by just listing the old submissions we know of on this ID into a list (and the changed PV books was born the same way). You will notice that the Histories miss the very old edits and they do not list changes that influenced/changed the record but were not on the record itself - so if you change a title via PubEdit, it is in the history of the Publication but not of the history of the Title itself. Now "old state" will be very useful to keep but it was not built that way. Starting to save "old state" is in the development plans somewhere but it is not trivial and there are a lot of things in the plans. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:49, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: By the way, I'm pretty sure we've already had a discussion about the various versions of the Baen publisher. I just can't find it anywhere. This gist of it was I wanted to know which one to use, when, and folks gave their input. I believe that Annie thought that the various versions were unneeded, but didn't go so far as to suggest merging them. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 20:32, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: I would not be surprised if that had been discussed. Baen's splitting in the DB is such a mess that we either need to figure out how to split them properly or drop the pretense that we are splitting it. However - a decision for getting them merged was not taken, neither we have a workable plan to fix the whole thing I believe. It is probably on an archived page in CS or Help Desk - will look for it later. But I don't recall a decision that indeed the books are updated based on specific text somewhere (aka - what credit makes it into that publisher). Neither would any moderator be expected to remember - if there is agreement, the editor should mention so in the moderator notes technically. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:42, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
(unindent)[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk/archives/archive_34#Baen_vs_Baen_Books_publishers The Baen discussion]. It was for Baen vs Baen Books. You are sending books out from one of these into a third player here, splintering the publisher even more. (which may or may not be fine but is essentially one editor's decision on how to record). And none of the PVs had been called in to chime in in that Help discussion or any plan had been voiced on how we differenciate. The discussion led no decision so the usual rules apply - PVs are to be consulted. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:48, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: If I had to reverse engineer the rules...<br />
:: Unless the title page has some version of "Baen|Books" in a squashed hexagon logo, use <b>Baen</b><br />
:: Two versions use the hexagon, one with "Baen|Books", and one with "Baen|Science Fiction|Books". The <b>Science Fiction</b> is a smaller font and kind of jammed between the <b>Baen</b> and <b>Books</b>. Both publishers were in use before I got involved. <br />
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:: When I asked about this earlier, I hadn't run across the SF version yet. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 22:05, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: I am not arguing about what the publisher should be on this book - from what I saw above, one of the PVs agreed with you. We will give everyone a bit of time to see if someone else will voice an opinion. Neither we are really discussing the mess that is Baen/Baen Books. <br />
::: What we were discussing is why PVs need to be consulted and why we cannot just approve and let them disagree if they want later. There was no question on your data or update - the request to you was to discuss with the rest of the people that have the book and can check and offer an opinion/agreement as per ISFDB's established policy. The first editor/PV of a book has some leeway on how to interpret data, especially when they are working with a newish publisher for the DB (not anymore but this is an old record so it was). The second one by necessity need to find agreement. Collaborative projects need to work based on agreements and not based on "last editor in the door makes up the rules and everyone else must react after their updates". That's the crux of the issue here. Yes, it slows things down. But otherwise it is not fair to the people before that. <br />
::: I'd propose for you to start a new thread on the Help page to try to hash out the Baen situation if you are interested in actually helping solve it and untangle it -- invite the active PVs with books and let's see if we can clear the tangle of them. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:32, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent)I pulled out my copy of the book and read all this. The page number edit is correct. The [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:EditPub#Page help text] allows both, but the square bracket notation is preferred. As for the publisher, front cover and copyright page have "Baen Books", spine and titlepage have "Baen Science Fiction Books". i.m.o. Baen, Baen Books and Baen Science Fiction Books should all be merged into Baen Books, so I have no problem with this change.<br />
There's one other thing, my copy has no Canadian price mentioned, I think the Canada note is a leftover from the time we had no separate records for Canadian editions and should be removed. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 03:59, 22 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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(Post moved to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Help:Screen:NewPub_Publisher])<br />
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== Dafydd ab Hugh's "Heroing (excerpt)" triplication ==<br />
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Hi,<br />
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Idly clicking through the birthday authors on the home page, I notice there are 3 separate entries for "Heroing (excerpt)" in various Baen pubs from other authors. All have verifiers, but you're the only one who seems to be currently active at the moment. Are you able to check if these are all the same content, and thus should be merged? The pubs in question are:<br />
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* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36658 The Burning Realm - Michael Reeves]<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38525 The Dog and the Wolf - Karen & Poul Anderson]<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?651616 Angels in Hell - ed. Janet Morris] - you haven't PVed this one, but I imagine if the above two are the same, then this one will be as well.<br />
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I'm sure these all will be the same, but it seems best to check first before merging them. Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 07:47, 22 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I actually have all three, but haven't gotten to the last one yet. I've checked, and appear identical. All 3 pages long, beginning and end of each page the same. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:55, 22 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5128037 merge submitted] [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 17:46, 22 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Cryoburn notes changes ==<br />
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CD-ROM info added to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?330962 Cryoburn] [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 13:21, 14 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Acacia ==<br />
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Changes to record for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?259276 Acacia]: Changed date to exact date. Updated the page count. Added notes. Added regular title for the included map. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5156074 Pending submission here] [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:30, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Knight of the Red Beard ==<br />
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Added notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?293780 The Knight of the Red Beard]. From personal copy. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:03, 27 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Unicorn & Dragon ==<br />
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I added notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?52800 Unicorn & Dragon] prior to doing a PV. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:10, 6 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Chantry Guild ==<br />
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Added notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36981 The Chantry Guild] before doing a PV. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:03, 14 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Way of the Pilgrim ==<br />
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Added notes and LCCN to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?54009 Way of the Pilgrim] prior to doing a PV. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:24, 14 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Final Encyclopedia ==<br />
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Added notes, fixed page count to include unnumbered pages, added new regular title for the map to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?39770 The Final Encyclopedia] based on owned copy. Will PV. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:38, 14 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Belgariad: Part Two ==<br />
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While preparing to PV [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?201601 The Belgariad: Part Two], I discovered a missing map on unnumbered page [2]. Any problem if I add it, adjust the page numbers, and add notes? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:03, 16 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Belgariad: Part One ==<br />
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While preparing to PV [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?256970 The Belgariad: Part One], I discovered a missing frontispiece map. Any problem if I add it and add a note about the gutter code in my copy? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:20, 16 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Fine with both. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 20:38, 16 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Krondor: The Betrayal ==<br />
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While preparing to PV [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19718 Krondor: The Betrayal], I noticed that the "Author's Afterword" on page 374 is missing. Any problem with my adding it? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:01, 17 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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: No problem. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:49, 17 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== A Kingdom Besieged ==<br />
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Added notes and endpaper map title to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?340570 A Kingdom Besieged] before doing a PV. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:59, 17 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Instrument of Fate ==<br />
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Could you please double check the Canadian price on {{P|18319|Instrument of Fate}}? I believe it should be C$7.99 vs. C$9.99. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:12, 18 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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: You're right. C$7.99 --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:53, 18 December 2021 (EST)<br />
::Updated. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:58, 18 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== A Fall of Moondust ==<br />
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On verifying my copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?253572 this pub], I noticed a statement on the backcover saying "Cover photograph by L. Krause Printed in USA". I would like to add the credit and change the note. Can you check your copy? Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:42, 26 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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: My copy has it as well. Fine by me. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:14, 26 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks! and done. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 16:59, 26 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Bishop's Heir ==<br />
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There are three missing appendix titles in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36002 The Bishop's Heir]. Would you mind if I add them? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:11, 1 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Fine with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:18, 1 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== King Kelson's Bride and Saint Camber ==<br />
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There are two missing appendix titles in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19475 King Kelson's Bride]. There are five missing appendix titles in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?256269 Saint Camber]. Would you mind if I add them? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:48, 2 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: No problem. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:37, 2 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Harrowing of Gwynedd ==<br />
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Would you mind if I add the missing Appendix titles to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41302 The Harrowing of Gwynedd]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:26, 3 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: No problem with this, or other similar requests. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:46, 3 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::Do you still want me to post similar requests? There are likely to be a bunch more. :) [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 16:37, 3 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: Not needed. My tradeoffs for doing PVs considered this type of material part of the main work, rather than needing separate entry. But mostly because I've been grinding through my ~15,000 books, and I wanted to finish some day.<br />
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:::I check 'My Changed Primary Verifications' regularly and in the unlikely case that I disagree strongly I'll bring up an issue then. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 17:22, 3 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Forge of God / multiple covers ==<br />
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I invite your comment on [[User_talk:Fjh#One_printing.2C_multiple_covers|this discussion]]. Thank you. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] 12:28, 7 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Revenants ==<br />
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Regarding {{P|46134|The Revenants}}: If the cover artist credit is "Kinuku Craft", then that is how the cover art should be entered. Can you please confirm and either update or I can if you wish? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:17, 9 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Seed ==<br />
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I have placed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5191804 this submission] on hold. Please check with Kraang and Willem H. The prior notes have "Stated 1st printing of 1968 Ballantine ed." If that is correct (as opposed to being a reference to the "First Edition: January 1968") and yours does not, then you have a reprint. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:41, 9 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:This edit can be approved. The statement in the notes is incorrect, and should be "First Edition: January 1968". Glenn, thanks for spotting this. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:40, 9 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::Approved, thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:24, 9 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Madness in Solidar ==<br />
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I have replaced the Amazon image with a scan in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?557105 this] pub. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 14:21, 14 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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==Asimov / Fantastic Voyage II: Destination Brain==<br />
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I am editing and PVing {{P|459023|Fantastic Voyage II: Destination Brain}} and will add notes and cover. No changes or deletions to anything you have entered. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 17:33, 22 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Runelords ==<br />
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Would you mind checking your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?46404 this] to see if the title page shows "The Runelords: The Sum of All Men" instead of just "The Runelords". If it does, please change the title to "The Runelords: The Sum of All Men". Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 21:51, 27 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:Sorry to nag, but all of the other pubs have "The Runelords: The Sum of All Men" as their title. I see you changed the title to just "The Sum of All Men" likely thinking that "The Runelords: is a series name and shouldn't be included. Been there; tried that. If you look at [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Philfreund#The_Runelords this thread] on my Talk page, you can see how I ended up making the change to "The Runelords: The Sum of All Men". Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:01, 31 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: The discussion there doesn't really seem to explain why the rules shouldn't be followed. Perhaps in all the Deleted sections. But there is some value to consistently not following rules. I'll submit an edit, rather than dive down the rabbit hole. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:10, 31 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Shadowkeep ==<br />
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Added the cover artist to the Alan Dean Foster [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29953 publication] and updated Note to indicate source (German edition). ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 10:50, 29 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Written in Time ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?327535 Written in Time], do you mind if I add the title for the "Afterword" on pages 643-644 before I add notes and PV? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 14:29, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: No problem. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 22:41, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Updating Amazon images ==<br />
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Per [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Amazon-hosted_cover_scans this] Community Portal discussion: I've updated the images for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?198953 The Last Starfighter], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44491 The Naked God: Flight] (poor image, can you do better?), [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?259547 Children of the Serpent Gate]. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 23:06, 31 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: I don't see updates for the images for these books. Are the edits still pending? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:31, 1 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: The first was accepted about 7 minutes after you posted your message. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 08:06, 3 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: Odd, I couldn't see them for few days, even with forcing reloads. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:07, 3 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: I've uploaded images for 1 and 3 (full bantam logo). No joy on #2. I have a damaged cover, and this type of metallic ink is just impossible to scan well. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 02:04, 3 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: I got my light box out and tried a natural light photo. Not perfect, but better. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:44, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== "The Weapon Shop" vs. "The Weapons Shop" by A. E. van Vogt ==<br />
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Hi.<br />
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You are listed as the most recent Primary Verifier for the 1946 edition of Healy & McComas's "Adventures in Time and Space", a great anthology, and one that helped introduce me to a lot of great SF from that era. (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?245825)<br />
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As far as I can tell, the 1946 edition had the first reprint of "The Weapon Shop" by A. E. van Vogt (originally in Astounding, December 1942, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?57432).<br />
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ISFDB notes that the 1946 edition had the story as "The Weapons Shop", a variant on the original published title. <br />
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I am curious about whether anything is known about this change in title, and would also like to confirm that the 1946 Healy & McComas is the first place the new title showed up.<br />
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I have done a bit of searching online on this question, but I have not yet found a definitive answer on which title van Vogt preferred. Both titles have been used throughout it's extensive reprint history.<br />
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I checked, and I have the 1957 edition. That definitely shows the new title, "The Weapons Shop".<br />
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I would appreciate it if you could check your 1946 copy and tell me what title for this showed up in the 1946 TOC, on the story in the body of the book, and also in the copyrights/acknowledgements and anywhere else.<br />
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Thanks.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 11:51, 1 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: "The Weapons Shop" is used in acknowledgements, TOC, and story title page in my 1946 copy. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:38, 1 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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::Thanks for that information. So far as I can tell, this was the first appearance of that version of the title.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 16:07, 1 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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==Robots and Empire - Amazon Image==<br />
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I have replaced the unstable Amazon image for {{P|28372|Robots and Empire}} with a scan of my copy. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 16:03, 1 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Godmakers ==<br />
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I added month to this, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?225397, based on note in this, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?40719. I also added month to this, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41184, based on note in this, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41185. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:47, 2 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Irons in the Fire ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?303530 Irons in the Fire]: Would you mind if I add the titles for the maps on page 10-11 and the essay on page 617 before I PV? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:24, 3 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Fine. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 00:28, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== King Maker ==<br />
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Hi Glenn -<br />
I'm replacing the Amazon image for Broaddus' ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?324973 King Maker]''. The [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51KwgbKqyeL.jpg Amazon image] had the Braunbeck blurb on the left side of the cover. Please let me know if your copy disagrees and I can put it back and split the publications. I realize that I've only got a transient verification, but I'm going through the boxes of books to be donated or sold and this was one that I still had. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:16, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Your image matches my cover. I've also uploaded my scan which seems to match the color values of my copy better, mostly so you can check and see if it's a scan issue, or there is that much variability in print quality. I've already reverted to your image, but I'm curious what you think. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:27, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: And now that's actually they're on the isfdb site, they look less different than I thought earlier. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:31, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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::It doesn't really matter to me which scan we use, but I've gone ahead and deleted the two older ones. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:43, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Jade Warrior ==<br />
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Please see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5214311 this submission] which I'm holding. While it matches the cover, since you have primary verified it and are active, please validate that it is correct. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:57, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: The price is correct, although I would have preferred the note addition to be added to the html list. Price is also on the spine. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:23, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
::I approved the edit and fixed the formatting. The note isn't really required. I will leave it to you if you want to remove or add info about spine. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:55, 5 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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Whenever I enter info for someone else's record that's missing the price I add a note about where it is because certain moderators used to whine whenever I'd add something and not say exactly where it was in the book. Whenever I enter a new record for a book I don't usually specify. I used to mimic that bullet point style until I realized it's just a waste of space and just enter notes now without the dots. Also, I'm curious why the price for this book wasn't entered in the first place; usually this happens because it's too small/scratchy and can't be read until I manage to decipher it, but in this case it's big and clear. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:42, 5 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:There is a difference when working from the book itself and when working from secondary sources, pictures, scans, etc. For the latter, you need to specify the source. In this particular case, the data is from the book, but you don't have the book. You could have put the information in the moderator note instead of the pub note. That would have let the approving moderator & the verifier know why you were editing a verified record. As for the formatting, it makes a much cleaner and easier to read record when all the notes use the same format. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:35, 5 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: I didn't notice the price was missing when I added the cover image. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:02, 5 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Beyond Eden ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4309<br />
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Would this be enough to edit the publication date to the more precise: 1955-04-21?<br><br />
Review copy note found inside pb edition: [https://upload.vaa.red/23krPp#5491ba8dce3f0645cd8b91913d61495e]<br><br />
It mentions both the pb and the hc edition. --[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] 07:17, 12 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Seem fine, as long as the source is noted. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 21:05, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Pharaoh Contract ==<br />
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Would you mind looking at your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?39118 The Pharaoh Contract] and verifying that you also have the number line: 0 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 and the Canadian price C$5.50? I want to add those notes. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:18, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: I have "RAD 0 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1". C$ ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 21:01, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Hidden Queen & Changer of Days ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?67971 The Hidden Queen], I'd like to make the following changes before doing a PV:<br />
<br>Change page count to [8]+389<br />
<br>Add title for the map on page [8]<br />
<br>Add title for the Glossary on page 379<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?69820 Changer of Days], I'd like to make the following changes before doing a PV:<br />
<br>Add title for the map on page [vi]<br />
<br>Add title for the Glossary on page 326<br />
<br><br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:49, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Fine. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 21:00, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Fane ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?278887 Fane], would you object if I added the following before I PV?<br />
<br>Change page count to [8]+311<br />
<br>Add "First Timescape Books printing August, 1981" and the printer's key<br />
<br>Add essay title "Racial/Political Groupings on the Planet Fane" for page [7]<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:04, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Go ahead. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 20:58, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Split Infinity and Out of Phaze ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?203137 Split Infinity]: Do you mind if I change the page count to [8]+356 and add the missing maps title before I PV? <br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25321 Out of Phaze]: Do you mind if I change the page count to [10]+309 before I add notes and PV?<br />
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<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 15:08, 15 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: No problem. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:39, 15 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Hobbit, or There and Back Again ==<br />
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Hello Glenn, <br />
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Can you check [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?881523 this one]. Either you have a later printing (so you cannot use the 0997 from the dustjacket for the date) or it cannot have the ISBN13 printed and we need the ISBN10 instead - this is about a decade too early for ISBN13. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:31, 15 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Missed that during the clone. I've submitted an edit with that change, and the cover image I wrangled together. The cover image I did a few days ago, but my normal process got muddled waiting for input. Metallic foil is such a joy do deal with, much less stitching multiple scans together for the complete image. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 18:46, 15 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Approved. And yeah - metallic foil looks nice... until you try to scan it. Thanks for fixing it! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:03, 15 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Pandora's Legions ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25580 Pandora's Legions], do you mind if I add the notes "First printing: February 2002" and "Cover art by Patrick Turner"? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:22, 16 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Sounds good. I'd also add 'no number line' as well. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 13:32, 16 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Twilight's Kingdoms ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?52579 Twilight's Kingdoms], do you mind if I:<br />
<br>Add maps title.<br />
<br>Add "First printing, November 1987" and no number line comment.<br />
<br>Change page count to [8]+376<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:48, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: No problem with this type of edit. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:33, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== A Cold Wind from Orion ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?371 A Cold Wind from Orion], do you mind if I add notes "First Edition: September 1980", No printer's key., and "Cover art by Atila Hega"? Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:41, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Go ahead. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:34, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Cabal ==<br />
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I added cover art credit to {{P|5865|The Cabal}} https://comicvine.gamespot.com/666-mark-of-the-beast-17/4000-248267/ is an example [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 22:30, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Project: Maldon ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?26805 Project: Maldon], is it OK for me to add the following notes before I PV?<br />
<br>"First printing, June 1997"<br />
<br>No printer's key.<br />
<br>"Cover art by Garry Ruddell" on the copyright page.<br />
<br>C$7.99 in Canada.<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:02, 19 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: No problem. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 00:31, 21 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Radix ==<br />
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As there are no notes for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27260 Radix], I would like to add the following ones before I PV:<br />
<br>"Bantam Spectra edition / October 1985"<br />
<br>First printing per printer's key: O 0 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1<br />
<br>Cover artist credited in the "Acknowlegements" and per "Cover copyright © 1985 by Fred Marcellino" on the copyright page.<br />
<br>Map artist credited in the "Acknowlegements".<br />
<br>C$4.50 in Canada.<br />
<br><br />
<br>In addition:<br />
<br>Change page count to [12]+466<br />
<br>Add map title on page [12]<br />
<br>Add title "Appendix (Radix)" on page 449<br />
<br><br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:23, 19 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: In general, I have no problem with adding information. Clashes we can work out. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 00:28, 21 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Skull Gate ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30717 Skull Gate], do you mind if I add the map on page 7 and some notes before I PV? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:25, 19 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Fine with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:20, 21 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Canby's Legion ==<br />
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Based on the title page for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6039 Canby's Legion], I think the publisher should be "Aspect / Warner Books" not just "Warner Books" since Aspect is on the title page as well as Warner Books. What do you think? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:09, 20 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: I agree. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:20, 21 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Devil and Deep Space Re: Wrong cover artist created ==<br />
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Hi. I have a sub on hold that shows the wrong artist is created on the copyright page. See mod note[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5231688]. If you follow the link to Matt Stawicki web page the image is signed below the knee. The cover image we have it is cut off above that point so it doesn't show. If there's no objection I'll change the credit with a note or you can. Thanks.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 23:09, 20 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Fine either way. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 00:28, 21 February 2022 (EST)<br />
::Cover artist update complete.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 17:08, 21 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Tomorrow and Tomorrow ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?279225; I added month from Archive.org copy of 1965 edition's copyright page. --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:53, 21 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Yaril’s Children ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55659 Yaril’s Children], I want to make the following changes before I PV:<br />
<br>Change page count to [10]+277<br />
<br>Add map title on page [10].<br />
<br>Would that be OK? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:16, 23 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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Sure. When adding the meta [10], I'd make sure that it sequences (using the | syntax) before the story start. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:13, 24 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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==Jim Butcher / Small Favor==<br />
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I am PVing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?254432 Small Favor]. I will add pub notes and the Author's Note to the Contents. No changes to the existing information. I will add the Author's Note (where applicable) to all succeeding 1st ed hc's of the Dresden Files series. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 11:50, 23 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Shroud of Shadow ==<br />
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I added cover art credit to {{P|3037|Shroud of Shadow}} by Gael Baudino [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 00:54, 25 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Children of Anthi and The Omcri Matrix ==<br />
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Would you please look at the changes I'm proposing with these submissions for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5242631 The Children of Anthi] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5242633 The Omcri Matrix]. In particular, please see if your copy shows a "Stated 1st printing" line on the copyright page of each one. My copies do not. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 17:33, 25 February 2022 (EST)<br />
Ping [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 14:05, 27 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: I'd say "Printing not stated, no number line, assumed first printing" for each, and change their publishers to "Ace Science Fiction Books". --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 22:48, 27 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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==Jim Butcher / Brief Cases==<br />
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I am PVing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?661863 Brief Cases]. Will add Canadian price. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 18:48, 25 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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==Link to: Series Number of Dresden Files short fiction==<br />
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Incidentally, while I'm here, you might be interested in this topic: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Series_Number_of_Dresden_Files_short_fiction Series Number of Dresden Files short fiction]. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 18:48, 25 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Girl from the Emeraline Island ==<br />
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Does your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?40611 The Girl from the Emeraline Island] show "First Edition: May 1984" and no number line on the copyright page? I want to replace the "1st printing" note with those notes, plus add the map title on page [9] and change the page count to [10]+274 before I PV. Would that be OK? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:49, 26 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: I agree. I've taken to using something like: "Printing not stated, no number line, assumed first printing". --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:03, 26 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Boyer book changes ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?217289 The Sword and the Satchel], if it's OK with you I'd like to replace "1st printing" with "First Edition: May 1980" and "No printer's key or printing statement so first printing assumed". I'd also like to change the page count to [6]+312.<br />
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: Sure. While checking, I decided to refresh the cover image with a better scan. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:24, 1 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?217293 The Thrall and the Dragon's Heart], if it's OK with you I'd like to replace "Stated 1st printing" with "First Edition: September 1982" and "No printer's key or printing statement so first printing assumed". I'd also like to change the page count to [8]+294.<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:31, 28 February 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:24, 1 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Sword of Chaos ==<br />
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Would you please look at your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34054 Sword of Chaos] and see if the title page actually reads "Sword of Chaos and Other Stories"? My first edition/first printing has that. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:51, 1 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Subtitle present. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:15, 1 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Patricia Bray changes ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?144371 Devlin's Honor] would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+390+[18] and add the map title on page [7]?<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?65483 Devlin's Justice] would you mind if I change the page count to [10]+388 and add the map title on page [9]?<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?144361 The First Betrayal] would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+342+[18] and add the map title on page [7]?<br />
<br><br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:21, 2 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:34, 2 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Marie Brennan titles ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?82324 Doppelganger], would you mind if I change the page count to [10]+422 and add the map on page [9]?<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?88073 Warrior and Witch], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+448 and add the map on page [7]?<br />
<br><br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:49, 3 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
: That's fine. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:20, 3 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Brokedown Palace ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?5548 Brokedown Palace], do you mind if I add "Ace Fantasy edition/January 1986" and "No printer's key" notes to this pub before I PV? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 18:08, 5 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Sure. I'd also change the publisher to "Ace Fantasy Books". --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 18:43, 5 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Serpent and the Rose ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?222521 The Serpent and the Rose], would you mind if I add the map on [6] and change the page count to [6]+296? I'll also need to change the cover artist to just Donato then variant. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 06:52, 6 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Sure. I'd also change the publisher to 'Tor Fantasy'. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:08, 7 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Empire Stone ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?39155 The Empire Stone], would you mind if I add the map on page [8] and change the page count to [10]+413? I'll also replace the Amazon cover and add notes. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:01, 7 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:07, 7 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Master of Hawks ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21619 Master of Hawks], do you mind if I add "First printing—July 1979" and "No printer's key" notes? 08:53, 8 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:21, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Furies of Calderon ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?70031 Furies of Calderon] do you mind if I change the page count to 594 and add the excerpt title on page 592? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:02, 8 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: My copy has 504 pages, and no excerpt. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:23, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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::I mistyped. Mine has 504 with the "Academ's Fury" excerpt on pages 503-504. What's on your pages 503-504? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 16:32, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: Somehow the excerptness was invisible. Mine matches your suggestion (with the page # change). --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:47, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Figures of Earth ==<br />
<br />
Would you please look at your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13511 Figures of Earth] and see if the title of the essay on page xxv is actually "A Foreword"? Does page xxiii show "A Foreword" with a Latin quote and a dedication to Sinclair Lewis instead of the title "A Preface" as shown in the current pub record? That's how my copy reads. I believe the same title problem likely exists in the unPVed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?436624 Canadian pub] that shares the same catalog ID. I propose to edit the "Preface" title record used only by those two pubs and then merge it with the correct title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?738153 sic]. <br />
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: My copy has "A Forward" with the Latin quote. <br />
::Page xxiii has "A Foreword" over "<i>Amoto quaeramus seria ludo</i>" over "To" over "Sinclair Lewis". Page xxv has simply "A Foreward" and that's what I would replace. Sorry for the confusion and my typing. Rtrace matches this and suggests that I do an advanced search merge rather than change the title record. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 16:44, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:49, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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I also want to add notes "First U.S. Printing: November, 1969", "No printer's key.", and "Ballentine Books edition printed from the <i>Storisende Edition</i>". Then I'll PV. What do you think? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:14, 8 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Printing change fine. Ballentine should be Ballantine. <br />
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: PV ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:32, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Domnei / The Music from Behind the Moon ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10569 Domnei / The Music from Behind the Moon] do you mind if I replace "Stated first printing" with "First Printing: March, 1972" and "No printer's key"? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:27, 8 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Sounds good. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:33, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Zoboa ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?262859 Zoboa], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+430 and add the title for the unsigned maps on pages [6]-[8] before I PV? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:42, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Ok. I'd consider changing the publisher to "Baen Science Fiction Books" per the title page. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:34, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Exit Earth ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?12793 Exit Earth], would you mind if I replace the note "First printing" with notes "First printing, April 1987" and "No printer's key" before I PV? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:24, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Printing change ok. Publisher -> "Baen Books". --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:39, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Saturnalia ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?28940 Saturnalia], would you mind if I replaced "Stated 1st printing." with "First printing, January 1986" and "No printer's key."? I'll also replace the flagged Amazon image with a scanned one. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:33, 10 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Fine with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 04:38, 11 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Trudi Canavan titles ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?43631 The Magicians' Guild], do you mind if I change the page count to [10]+370 and add titles for the maps on [8], "Lord Dannyl's Guide to Slum Slang (The Magicians’ Guild)" on pg 366, and "Glossary (The Magicians’ Guild)" on pg 368?<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44760 The Novice], do you mind if I change the page count to [10]+465 and add titles for the maps on [8], "Lord Dannyl's Guide to Slum Slang (The Novice)" on pg 461, and "Glossary (The Novice)" on pg 463?<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41508 The High Lord], do you mind if I change the page count to [10]+531 and add titles for the maps on [8], "Lord Dannyl's Guide to Slum Slang (The High Lord)" on pg 527, and "Glossary (The High Lord)" on pg 529?<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?80892 Priestess of the White], do you mind if I change the page count to [10]+598 and add titles for the map on [8], "Glossary (Priestess of the White)" on pg 590, and "Last of the Wilds (excerpt)" on pg 593?<br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:54, 10 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Sure. Note that I've submitted edits for cover updates for all of these. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 05:02, 11 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Dark Lord of Pengersick ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37932 The Dark Lord of Pengersick], do you mind if I change the page count to [4]+169, add the map title on page [2], add the title "Glossary of People, Places, and Things (The Dark Lord of Pengersick) on page 169, and change the publisher to Ace Fantasy Books? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:29, 12 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: That's fine. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:00, 12 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Down to a Sunless Sea ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10771 Down to a Sunless Sea], would you mind if I add the title "Author's Note (Down to a Sunless Sea)" on page 173? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:50, 13 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 01:25, 14 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Exiles at the Well of Souls ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?146081 Exiles at the Well of Souls], do you mind if I change the page count to xii+337, add title "About Time ..." on pg [xii], and import missing titles:<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1232675 Detail of Northern Hemisphere (map) (Exiles at the Well of Souls)] on pg ix<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1232676 Section of Southern Hemisphere (map) (Exiles at the Well of Souls)] on pg x<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1232677 Appendix: Races Referred to in Exiles at the Well of Souls] on pg 331<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?787725 About the Author (Exiles at the Well of Souls)] on pg 337<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:52, 15 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:50, 16 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Quest for the Well of Souls ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?146101 Quest for the Well of Souls], would you mind if I change the page count to xii+302+[1], add title "About the Author (Quest for the Well of Souls) on page [303], and import the following missing titles?<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1232679 The Wars of the Well, Part II (Quest for the Well of Souls)] on pg ix<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1776798 Section of Southern Hemisphere (map) (Quest for the Well of Souls)] on pg x<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1776797 Detail of Northern Hemisphere (map) (Quest for the Well of Souls)] on pg xii<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1776795 Appendix I: Races of the Southern Hemisphere (Quest for the Well of Souls)] on pg 293<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1776796 Appendix II: Races of the Northern Hemisphere (Quest for the Well of Souls)] on pg 300<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:13, 15 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:50, 16 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Return of Nathan Brazil ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?220113 The Return of Nathan Brazil], do you mind if I change the page count to ix+289+[2], add title "About the Author (The Return of Nathan Brazil)" on page [291], and add missing title:<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1776800 Section of Southern Hemisphere (map) (The Return of Nathan Brazil)] on page viii<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:45, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:48, 19 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Twilight at the Well of Souls ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?237673 Twilight at the Well of Souls: The Legacy of Nathan Brazil], do you mind if I change the page count to x+304+[1] and import missing title:<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1776800 Section of Southern Hemisphere (map) (The Return of Nathan Brazil)] on page viii<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:54, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:49, 19 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Jack Chalker: Four Lords of the Diamond ==<br />
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In the Four Lords of the Diamond series, I would like to make the following changes:<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?278886 Lilith: A Snake in the Grass], change the page count to vi+248 and import the uncredited interior art title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1717806 The Warden Diamond] on page [vi].<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?283363 Cerberus: A Wolf in the Fold], change the page count to [8]+243 and import the uncredited interior art title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1717806 The Warden Diamond] on page [viii].<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?140701 Charon: A Dragon at the Gate], change the page count to [8]+289 and import the uncredited interior art title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1717806 The Warden Diamond] on page [viii].<br />
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<br>Would that be OK? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:33, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:50, 19 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== War of the Maelstrom ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?53739 War of the Maelstrom], do you mind if I change the page count to viii+360 and add title "Prefatory Note (War of the Maelstrom)" on page vii? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:50, 19 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 01:11, 20 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Kelly Country ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19364 Kelly Country], do you mind if I add title "Afterword to U.S. Edition" on page 347 and change "1st printing" to "First printing per printer's key: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9" plus add "First DAW Printing, August 1985"? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:19, 20 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:19, 22 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Red Moon and Black Mountain ==<br />
<br />
Would you look at this multi-part change proposal [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace#Red_Moon_and_Black_Mountain here] on Rtrace's talk page and see if you have any objections? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:36, 20 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I'm ok with the final results. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:19, 22 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Blue Hawk ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?231189 The Blue Hawk], would you mind if I replace the inaccurate note "Stated 1st printing" with notes "First Ballantine Books Edition: August 1977" and "No printer's key or printing statement."? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:19, 22 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sounds good. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:27, 22 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Prison Planet ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?26715 Prison Planet], would you mind if I change "Stated 1st printing, full number line" to two notes: "Ace edition/March 1989" and "First printing by full number line."? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:08, 24 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Fine with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 17:10, 24 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Six of Swords ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30647 Six of Swords], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+276 and import the map title on page [7]? I'll also add a scanned cover and a couple of other notes. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:21, 25 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:13, 25 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Keepers of Edanvant ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19343 Keepers of Edanvant], I'd like to make the following changes before PVing:<br />
<br>1. Change page count to [6]+346<br />
<br>2. Change the title for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1389038 map] from "Keepers of Edanvant (frontispiece)" to "Keepers of Edanvant (map)". It's definitely not a frontispiece.<br />
<br>3. Change the map page from bp to [6]<br />
<br>4. Add note "Both the title page and the cover show "Sword & Circlet 1" but this is the third book in the Sword & Circlet series."<br />
<br>5. Add notes for the cover artist and map artist.<br />
<br>Thanks!! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:39, 26 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br><br />
<br>I know I've been sending you a lot and I really appreciate your quick response but did you see this post and the next two as well? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 19:02, 30 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok with changes. I'll add a better cover scan. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 17:14, 4 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Semper Mars ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29576 Semper Mars], would you mind if I changed the page count to [6]+376 and add the uncredited map on page [6]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:52, 26 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 17:23, 4 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Warlord of Ghandor ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?53851 Warlord of Ghandor], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Add a title for the frontispiece art on pg [2]<br />
<br>2. Change "First Printing" to "FIRST PRINTING, AUGUST 1977" and "First printing per printer's key: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9"<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:25, 26 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. Just uploaded a new cover scan that's a bit better. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 17:28, 4 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Spellkey Trilogy ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?194797 The Spellkey Trilogy], would you mind if I change the page count to [6]+630 and add title "Author's Note (The Spellkey Trilogy)" on page [5]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:45, 26 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 20:23, 26 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Paula E. Downing titles ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?28221 Rinn's Star], would you mind if I replace "Stated 1st edition." with "First Edition: December 1990" and "No printer's key or printing statement."<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13906 Flare Star], would you mind if I replace "Stated 1st printing" with "First Edition: April 1992" and "No printer's key or printing statement.", change the page count to [6]+249, and add the map on page [5]?<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 16:35, 26 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok for both. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 20:24, 26 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Vettius and His Friends ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?53294 Vettius and His Friends], would you mind if I change the page count to 304+[8] and add missing title "Men Hunting Things (excerpt)" on page [309] before I PV? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:39, 28 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: No problem in general, but note that that excerpt has been labeled [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2903233 It's a Lot Like War (Men Hunting Things excerpt)] in other Baen publications. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:18, 29 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Oh, and I've submitted an edit that improves the cover image. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:19, 29 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Year of the Ransom in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?80820 Time Patrol] ==<br />
<br />
Hi! Depending on the outcome of [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Poul_Anderson.27s_The_Year_of_the_Ransom this thread] it seems that this fiction text is really a novella. So, don't be surprised that the OMNIBUS may have to be turned into a COLLECTION. Though I guess that ought to be done anyway? (Typically an OMNIBUS should have at least two booklength content titles, as was communicated quite recently). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:35, 30 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Dave Duncan titles ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21088 Magic Casement], would you mind if I change the page count to [12]+307 and add title "Magic Casement (maps)" by uncredited on page [11]? <br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?12999 Faery Lands Forlorn], would you mind if I change the page count to [12]+335 and add title "Faery Lands Forlorn (maps)" by uncredited on page [6]?<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29786 Shadow], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Replace "Stated 1st printing" with "First Edition: November 1987" and "No printer's key or printing statement"<br />
<br>2. Change the page count to [10]+276<br />
<br>3. Add title "Shadow (map)" on page [9]<br />
<br>4. Add title "Glossary (Shadow)" on page 273<br />
<br><br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:19, 30 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: All ok with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 18:46, 30 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Queen of Sorcery ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?228825 Queen of Sorcery], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+327 and import the missing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1396496 map title] on page [6]? I'll also add a scanned cover and several notes. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 06:45, 2 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 03:20, 4 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Warslayer ==<br />
<br />
I propose making multiple changes for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49663 The Warslayer]: <br />
<br>1. Title<br />
<br>. 1a. Change the pub title to "The Warslayer: The Incredibly True Adventures of Vixen the Slayer, The Beginning" to match the the title page and the WorldCat entries. The existing short form doesn't comply with the instructions in [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Regular_Titles this help].<br />
<br>. 1b. Remove the note starting with "Subtitled".<br />
<br>. 1c. Unmerge the 'long' pub title from the existing title then make the existing title a variant of the 'long' title since it is the earliest pub.<br />
<br><br />
: Ok. <br />
<br>2. Change page count to 312 to match the book.<br />
<br><br />
: Ok. <br />
<br>3. Essay<br />
<br>. 3a. Remove essay title "God’s Teeth! The Making of a Cult Phenomenon" and delete the associated title record. I don't think this is an actual piece written by Greg Cox since there is no copyright for it on the copyright page and it doesn't show in his bibliography on his website.<br />
<br>. 3b. Add note "Pages 1-5 of the book are a fictional essay titled "God’s Teeth! The Making of a Cult Phenomenon" purportedly by Greg Cox."<br />
<br><br />
: I just consider it part of the book. The page says "by Greg Cox", and I don't have a good reason to not believe it.<br />
<br>4. Replace the Amazon cover with this [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/4/4c/THWRSLYR2002.jpg scanned cover] that I already uploaded.<br />
<br><br />
: Ok. <br />
<br>5. Add notes:<br />
<br>"The title on the cover is "The Warslayer" [over] "An Incredibly True Adventure of Vixen the Slayer".<br />
<br>"Pages 288-312 are a fictional episode guide titled "VIXEN THE SLAYER: The Episode Guide (Season One)"".<br />
<br><br />
: Ok. <br />
<br>What do you think? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:46, 2 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
: As above. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 03:19, 4 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Sword of Shannara ==<br />
<br />
Hi Glenn -<br />
<br />
I'm going to add individual interior art items for each of the illustrations for Terry Brooks' ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?159571 The Sword of Shannara]''. I'm going to do individual records as some of them have been reprinted and I'd like to make the variant relationships. I'll also try to find a cover scan. I'd scan mine, but there are flaws. Please let me know if you have any objections to this. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:19, 2 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: My cover isn't any better. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 03:14, 4 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Year of the Warrior ==<br />
<br />
Hi Glen, you still need an entry in the content field of the title record [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?26876 here]. In this case, 2N. Here is the relevant [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:TitleFields:Content help] page. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:45, 2 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: I think I'll add the series name given on the title pages of the individual novels in <b>The Year of the Warrior</b>. (<b>Saga of Erling Skjalgsson</b>) and mark the contents "1,2". --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 03:10, 4 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Eldrie the Healer ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35544 Eldrie the Healer], would you mind if I change the page count to [10]+237 and add map title "Eldrie the Healer (map)" by uncredited on page [7]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:11, 3 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 03:07, 4 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Missing responses ==<br />
<br />
I suspect you missed seeing these three posts from March 26. I'd rather have your approvals/comments than go through the no response Mod Board procedure.<br />
<br />
[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:GlennMcG#Keepers_of_Edanvant Keepers of Edanvant]<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:GlennMcG#Semper_Mars Semper Mars]<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:GlennMcG#Warlord_of_Ghandor Warlord of Ghandor]<br />
<br />
[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:54, 4 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: You're right, I missed them. Answered at original entries. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 17:29, 4 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:16, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Art of the Sword ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35357 The Art of the Sword], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>Change the page count to [10]+262<br />
<br>Add essay title "Cast of Characters (The Art of the Sword)" on page [6]<br />
<br>Add map "The Art of the Sword (map) on page [8]<br />
<br>I'll also add some notes and replace the Amazon cover with a scanned cover.<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:27, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:07, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Mountains & Madness ==<br />
<br />
I'm confused by the inclusion of E. J. Cherhavy as a co-author of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18555 Mountains & Madness]. He's not referenced on the title page or the copyright page, in the [https://catalog.loc.gov/vwebv/search?searchArg=9780671721909&searchCode=ISBL&searchType=1 LCCN record], or the [https://www.worldcat.org/title/mountains-madness/oclc/28827888?referer=di&ht=edition WorldCat record]. The only reference I could find was in Locus1. I think his name should be removed from this pub record and a note added about the bad Locus1 reference. What so you think? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:03, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: My guess is that the 2nd author is from Mayfair Games. No idea how Locus figured it out. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:59, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
: And I've uploaded a better cover while checking it out. (edit submitted) --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:06, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::So should I remove it since it's not on title page and add the note? Or do we need to get a moderator opinion first? I have a couple of other notes to add as well as the LCCN and WorldCat IDs. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 18:12, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Perhaps a moderator is appropriate. I'd guess that it could end up with this entry as a variant of the two author one. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 01:18, 6 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::I submitted this to the Help Desk [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Mountains_.26_Madness_author_problem here] for guidance. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:30, 6 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== A Lost Tale ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?811 A Lost Tale], would you mind if I change the page count to x+206, and add the title for "Author's Note (A Lost Tale)" on page vii? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:38, 6 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Seems like it should be 'ix+206' by the page rules. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:35, 7 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::You are correct. OK otherwise? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 18:21, 7 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 01:13, 8 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The People of the Mist ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?45199 The People of the Mist], would you mind if I replace "Stated 1st printing" with "First printing: December, 1973" and "No printer's key"? I also have a better scanned cover ready to upload. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:38, 8 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:46, 8 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Wizard's Ward ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?71640 The Wizard's Ward], I'd like to change the pub date to 2005-07-12 as stated on Amazon.com and add a source note. There's no stated source for the existing date. What do you think? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 13:23, 10 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 23:27, 10 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Darwath novels ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48627 The Time of the Dark], would you mind if I change the page count to [6]+263 and add the title "The Time of the Dark (map)" by Barbieri on page [6]? <br />
<br><br />
<br />
: Ok. <br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?231889 The Walls of Air], would you mind if I change the page count to [6]+297 and add the title "The Walls of Air (maps)" by uncredited on page [5]? I'll also add a scanned cover.<br />
<br><br />
: Sure. Might also add the map on page 3.<br />
<br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?227885 The Armies of Daylight], would you mind if I change the page count to [6]+309 and add the title "The Armies of Daylight (map) by uncredited on page [5]? I'll also add a scanned cover.<br />
<br><br />
<br />
: Sure. <br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:05, 11 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 03:02, 12 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Songs of Muad'Dib ==<br />
<br />
Glenn, any objections to me adding the contents to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?31232 Songs of Muad'Dib]? Since my source is The Locus Index, I would appreciate you checking for any discrepancies after I finish. I would also like to remove the note regarding the cover art, then credit it to 'Frederic Marvin'. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:06, 11 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:34, 12 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:: Hopefully, there aren't too many title or page number differences. I still need to add original publication notes, but that will not trigger any more 'My Changed Primary Verifications' alerts. Thanks for you help. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:02, 12 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::: Both the TOC and the titles on the Poem pages 7 & 8 are labeled "A Song of the New Ireland". The titles entered in the record are actually the respective first lines of each poem. <br />
::: Page 31 is titled "Untitled". Title given is the first line.<br />
::: Page 33 is titled "Untitled Haiku", etc<br />
::: Page 34 is titled "Untitled Haiku (About Brian)" ...<br />
::: Page 43 is titled "Untitled Haiku" ...<br />
::: Page 44 is titled "Untitled Haiku" ...<br />
::: Page 61 is titled "A Song of Muad'Dib"<br />
::: Page 71 is titled "A Song of Muad'Dib"<br />
::: Page 78 is titled "Katsuk's Prayer"<br />
::: Page 109–111 is an essay titled "Bibliography/Notes".<br />
<br />
::: --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 00:26, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:::: I was hoping they would just use the first lines for the untitled works. The title on page 78 will have to stay "Katsuk's Prayer [1]". When content is repeated in a publication, it requires disambiguation and a variant due to software limitations. I'll make the necessary changes. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 07:31, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::: Let me know if my assumption re: Katsuk's Prayer is incorrect. If it is a different poem, with the same name, I need to break the variant and make a slight change to the note. Either way, the disambiguation is necessary. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:47, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::: In general, they did use a quoted version of the first line of the poems that were untitled.<br />
::: The "Katskuk's Prayer on 39 starts "Raven, Raven, keep the edge on my hate.". The one on 78 begins with "O, Life Giver". I noted 78 above just to be complete, but knew it was to disambiguate. <br />
::: --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:32, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:::: Done! Always enjoy working with you. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:08, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::: Why the mix of square brackets and parenthesis for the disambiguation? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:41, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:::: I don't know why they used square brackets for the two titles on pages 7 & 8. I can comment on how untitled poetry is generally handled if you are interested [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:55, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Greyfax Grimwald ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?16033 Greyfax Grimwald], would you mind if I import the title "Greyfax Grimwald (maps)" [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1150667] for the maps that start on page 5? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:27, 19 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 21:12, 19 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Cat Scratch Fever ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6348 Cat Scratch Fever], would you mind if I change the page count to 376+[2] and add the Author's Note on page [377]? I'll also replace the Amazon cover. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:47, 19 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 21:10, 19 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Silver Moons, Black Steel ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30495 Silver Moons, Black Steel], would it be OK to change the page count to 434+[6] and add titles "Author's Note" on page 430 and "Wolfwalker (excerpt)" on page [435]? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:20, 19 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 21:11, 19 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Alternate Names in Interviews ==<br />
<br />
Just a reminder, please use the canonical name in the <b>interviewee</b> field, even if the interview title uses an alternate name (there is no way to variant). The interview in your verified pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?5604 Brothers in Arms] needs to be corrected. While you're there, the same alternate name [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?7231 Ben Weaver] has a title which needs to be made a variant. Ignore this if you have already handled them. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:45, 19 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Edits submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 21:08, 19 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Gauntlet of Malice ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?40452 The Gauntlet of Malice], would you mind if I make the following changes:<br />
<br>1. Change page count to xv+336<br />
<br>2. Add title "Foreword (The Gauntlet of Malice)" on page vi which is a fictional in-world essay.<br />
<br>3. Add title "Cast of Characters (The Gauntlet of Malice)" on page xii<br />
<br>4. Add scanned cover [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/8/8b/BKTG05558.jpg]<br />
<br>5. Import title "The Gauntlet of Malice (map)" [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2026242 here] on page [xiv]<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:18, 19 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 21:09, 19 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Spiral of Fire ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?31744 Spiral of Fire], would you mind if I change the page count to [10]+468 and add title "Spiral of Fire (map)" on page [6] and title "Cast of Characters (Spiral of Fire) on page [9]? I'll also add a scanned cover. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:06, 20 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 03:07, 22 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Stonehenge: Where Atlantis Died ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?226769 Stonehenge: Where Atlantis Died], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. import "Afterword (Stonehenge: Where Atlantis Died)" [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1910796 1910796] on page 307<br />
<br>2. add "Selected Readings (Stonehenge: Where Atlantis Died)" by uncredited on page 345<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:17, 21 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok.<br />
<br />
== ''Seaborn'' cover artist ==<br />
<br />
Hi. I changed "Timonthy" to "Timothy" in the cover artist credit in you verified {{P|250303|Seaborn}}. If it wasn't a typo, let me know and I'll revert it (I only noticed because I was dealing with various Lantz credits). Thanks --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:54, 23 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: 'Timothy' is correct per copyright page and back cover. I've submitted an edit adding some copyrights to the notes. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:33, 25 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Fanuilh ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13202 Fanuilh], would you mind if change the page count to [8]+259 and add the uncredited map title on page [6]? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:12, 3 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:33, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Heart of Light ==<br />
<br />
Would you please look at your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?240185 Heart of Light] and see if the excerpt on page [507] is actually for "Soul of Fire" like it is in my copy? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:07, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Yep... probably a copy-paste thinko. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:05, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Heroing: or, How He Wound Down the World ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?16971 Heroing: or, How He Wound Down the World], would you mind if I change the page count to 346, change the publisher to Baen Books, add a "No printer's key" note, and add the essay title "Afterward" on page [346] with a misspelling note? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:58, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: I'd change the page count to '345+[1]'. I'm less certain about the publisher change. The 'Baen Books' in a hexagon on the title page isn't present, which was the criteria that I used to change Baen to Baen Books. There was a discussion about how to partition somewhere on the help pages. Otherwise, ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:04, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::I can't find the Baen discussion so I'll leave it alone. I was basing my potential change on the copyright page since there was nothing on the title page. I agree about the page count but it took re-reading the how-to a couple of times to see why! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:08, 6 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk/archives/archive_34#Baen_vs_Baen_Books_publishers Baen vs Baen Books publishers]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:19, 6 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Pressure Man ==<br />
<br />
Glenn, I approved the replacement of the unstable cover image in your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?212385 verified] pub. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:02, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Celestial Hit List ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6473 Celestial Hit List], the spelling of the cover artist is "Vincent DiFate" on the copyright page but is "Vincent Di Fate" in the pub record. I just submitted changes to make the pub record match the copyright page value and will make the new cover title record a variant of the existing cover art title record. Let me know if this is a problem. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:57, 7 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:19, 26 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Ian Irvine titles ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1113 A Shadow on the Glass], would it be OK if I:<br />
<br>Change the page count to [14]+654+[1]<br />
<br>Change the map start page to [10]<br />
<br>Add essay title "Glossary of Characters, Names and Places (A Shadow on the Glass)" on page 642<br />
<br>Add essay title "Guide to Pronunciation" on page [655]<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48763 The Tower on the Rift], would it be OK if I:<br />
<br>Add essay title "Glossary of Characters, Names and Places (The Tower on the Rift)" on page 643<br />
<br>Add essay title "Guide to Pronunciation (The Tower on the Rift)" on page [659]<br />
<br><br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:51, 8 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:02, 9 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== J. V. Jones titles ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35497 The Baker's Boy], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+552 and import the map title on page [8]?<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?827 A Man Betrayed], would you mind if I change the page count to [6]+598 and add the map title "A Man Betrayed (map)" on page [6]?<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21607 Master and Fool], would it be OK if I make the following changes?<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [10]+645+16<br />
<br>2. Change the start page number for "The Barbed Coil (excerpt)" to 3 and add the note "The book ends on page 645. The page numbers restart from 1 for "The Barbed Coil" excerpt."<br />
<br>3. Add title "Master and Fool (map)" by uncredited on page [8]<br />
<br><br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:52, 12 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Since all the maps are the same, perhaps merging them down to "The Book of Words (map)". Otherwise, ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:43, 13 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Merge? ==<br />
<br />
Hi Glenn - can you have a look [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#To_merge_or_not_to_merge.3F here] and let us know if these are merge candidates? If not, can you add notes to the title records as why they shouldn't be merged? Thanks in advance, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:35, 15 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: See answer at link. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:05, 26 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Excerpts ==<br />
<br />
Consider adding a note on all excerpts indicating what the excerpt consists of. It will help with situations like the previous post. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:07, 19 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Noted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:18, 26 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Idylls of the Queen ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?247173 The Idylls of the Queen], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+341 and add the title "Foreword (The Idylls of the Queen)" on page [7]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:25, 22 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:11, 26 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Unicorn Quest ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49101 The Unicorn Quest], would you mind if I add the map on page 3 and a scanned cover? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:05, 23 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:13, 26 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Starbright ==<br />
<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?32911; I added cover artist from recently uploaded copy on Archive.org; it's Hejja like other editor's note thought it was. --[[User:Username|Username]] 00:54, 24 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:14, 26 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Sword and the Tower ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48221 The Sword and the Tower], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+216 and add the map on page [7]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:34, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:18, 26 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Fire in the Mist ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13622 Fire in the Mist], would you mind if I change the page count to [6]+291, import the map title on page [5], add the title "Glossary of Odd or Foreign Terms (Fire in the Mist)" on page 283, and change the publisher to Baen Fantasy? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:04, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: My copy has the map on page [6]. Otherwise, ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 17:22, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::The map is indeed on page [6]. I had it right in my notes and mistyped it here. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 21:58, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Mind of the Magic ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?22244 Mind of the Magic], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [10]+305<br />
<br>2. Change the page for the map title to [9]<br />
<br>3. Add note "The map on page [9] is uncredited and has no signature but is the same as the map credited to Ellen Kostyk in <i>Fire in the Mist</i>."<br />
<br>4. Add essay title "Glossary (Mind of the Magic)" by uncredited on page 295<br />
<br><br>I'd also like to change the author for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2832900 map title] to Ellen Kostyk.<br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:07, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 17:23, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Memory of Fire ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44032 Memory of Fire], would you mind if I add the essay on page 350 as "Author's Endnote (Memory of Fire)" and the fictional interview on page 353 as "Interview with a Dragon"? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:32, 28 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:00, 28 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Ice & Iron ==<br />
<br />
Added some notes to your PVd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?88943 Ice & Iron].[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 19:00, 28 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Watchtower ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?188549 Watchtower], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [12]+226<br />
: Ok. <br />
<br>2. Add interiorart title "Watchtower (map)" by uncredited on page [7]<br />
: Ok. <br />
<br>3. Add interiorart title "Watchtower" by uncredited on page [9]<br />
: Seems like it should be something like "Plan of Tornor Keep (diagram)".<br />
<br>4. Add essay title "Appendix: The Cards of Fortune (Watchtower)" by uncredited on page 223<br />
: Ok. <br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 16:17, 30 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
: --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:17, 31 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Third Eagle ==<br />
<br />
On the title page of my copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48488 The Third Eagle] there is what looks like a subtitle under the drawing. Based on this, I would like to change the title to "The Third Eagle: Lessons Along a Minor String". The record for the Doubleday hardcover edition has this subtitle and this pub is stated as being the complete text of that edition. Would it be OK to make the change? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:25, 31 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:17, 31 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Kothar ==<br />
<br />
I replaced unstable Amazon cover of Belmont edition of Conjurer's Curse with Bookscans.com cover, and this, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38734, with current Amazon cover that's stable and looks better. --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:41, 2 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Earth Logic ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?70029 Earth Logic], would you mind if I change the page count to [12]+436 and add the map title on page [11]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 16:34, 9 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 13:17, 10 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Dragonflight ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?272328 Dragonflight], would you mind if I change the page count to x+309, add Gino D'Achille as the cover artist, add note "Cover Art by Gino D'Achille" from the copyright page, and change the start page to "ix"? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 06:47, 13 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Generally ok, but I'm a bit torn about changing the start page to the in-story introduction. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 20:34, 13 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::Good point. I just looked at it some more and think that instead of changing the start page, I should just import the Introduction [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1005856 essay title] and place it on page ix. Since the Introduction is listed in the ToC, that would likely be a better solution. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 18:18, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Dragonseye ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?11288 Dragonseye], would you mind if I import the map by Shelly Shapiro on page [vi]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:23, 13 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 20:35, 13 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Masterharper of Pern ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?319595 The Masterharper of Pern], would you mind if I change the page count to [10]+422 and change the page for the map to [8]? I'll also remove the invalid LCCN reference and replace it with a note. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:51, 13 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 20:36, 13 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== For the Witch of the Mists ==<br />
<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?275334; I replaced unstable Amazon image with Bookscans image; it's a bit clearer. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:06, 13 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
: I replaced Bookscans image with FantLab image, which shows the full wraparound cover art. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:47, 9 November 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
== The Skies of Pern ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?47388 The Skies of Pern], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [12]+456+[11]<br />
<br>2. Import title "Ninth Pass Pern (map)" on page [10]<br />
<br>3. Import title "The Physics of Pern" on page [457]<br />
<br>4. Add new title "Dragondex (The Skies of Pern)" on page [463]<br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:24, 16 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:54, 17 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Dragonsblood ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?228365 Dragonsblood], I'd like to change the page count to xiii+452+[7]; the current Roman numeral count doesn't account for the map and the unnumbered count at the end is wrong by current standards. I'd also like to import the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1581579 map] title on page [xii] and add a couple of notes. What do you think? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:04, 17 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:13, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Fool's Run ==<br />
<br />
Cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?14114 this] is Geoff Taylor (same as paperbackedition). Credited [http://www.geofftaylor-artist.com/galleries/cover-art/art/fools-run">here] --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 15:00, 18 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Thlassa Mey series ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13993 Flight to Thlassa Mey], would you mind if I change the page count to [10]+319 and change the map page location to [6]?<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?53920 Warriors of Thlassa Mey], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+337 and change the map page location to [6]?<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20756 Lords of Thlassa Mey], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+294 and change the map page location to [6]?<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1587 Across the Thlassa Mey], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+247 and change the map page location to [6]?<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35993 The Birth of the Blade], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+277 and add the map on page [6]?<br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 17:59, 18 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:10, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Antares Dawn ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2826 Antares Dawn], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [8]+310<br />
<br>2. Add a scanned cover<br />
<br>3. Add the map on page [7] as "Foldspace Chart: Antares Cluster/Napier Sector (map)" by Shelly Shapiro along with a note about the map artist.<br />
<br>4. Remove the invalid LCCN from External and add appropriate note.<br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:23, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:07, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Quest of the Dark Lady ==<br />
<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?181489; I subbed Bookscans' cover for Amazon's. --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:36, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Gambler's Fortune ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?40306 The Gambler's Fortune], would you mind if I change the page count to [10]+518 and add the map on page [8]? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:59, 20 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 03:33, 22 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Assassin's Edge ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3226 The Assassin's Edge], would you mind if I change the page count to [12]+514 and add the map on page [8]? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:20, 20 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 03:33, 22 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Beachhead Planet ==<br />
<br />
You need to gain concurrance from [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Kraang Kraang] for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5345522 this edit]. He will probably approve the submission as soon as he sees your note. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:36, 20 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Iron Tower Trilogy ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37970 The Dark Tide], would you mind if I add the essay title "Journal Notes (The Dark Tide)" on page [xi] and the map title "The Dark Tide (map)" on page [xiv]? I'll also replace the Amazon cover.<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30069 Shadows of Doom], would you mind if I add the map title "Shadows of Doom (map)" on page [xiv]? I'll also replace the Amazon cover with a scanned cover.<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38003 The Darkest Day], would you mind if I change the page count to [12]+302 and add the map title "The Darkest Day (map) on page [10]? Even though the ToC has a Roman numeral for the map page number, I think I should use an Arabic number since there are no printed Roman page numbers.<br />
<br><br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:50, 21 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: I'd think you'd want to add the maps as a shared record. Perhaps something like "A Part of Mithgar (Iron Tower Trilogy map)". As for the Roman vs. Arabic unnumbered pages, it seems a bit obscure. What do you think of using [x] instead? I'd at least note it. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 03:41, 22 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::Sigh. I somehow missed the title on the maps so I'll create the shared map title. As to the page number for the map, I'll use the decimal but create a note. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:31, 22 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Trek to Kraggen-Cor ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?16363 Trek to Kraggen-Cor], would you mind if I add the essay "Journal Notes (Trek to Kraggen-Cor)" on page xi and the map "The Brega Path (map)" on page [14]? The map page number could also be rendered as [xiv] since there are no printed page numbers on the pages between xi and 17. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:29, 23 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Seems like it should be Roman, as it's pre-story. Otherwise, ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:28, 24 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Riddle-Master of Hed ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?827576 The Riddle-Master of Hed], would you mind if I add the essay title "People and Places (The Riddle-Master of Hed)" on page 223? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:11, 23 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:27, 24 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Siege of Orbitor ==<br />
<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?188349; I added month (October); Newman mentions it on his old Tripod site. --[[User:Username|Username]] 08:42, 24 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Starship Death ==<br />
<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?242529; I added OL ID and replaced cover with SF-Encyclopedia.com cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:04, 24 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Helix and the Sword ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?8913 The Helix and the Sword], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Add the interiorart title "The Helix and the Sword (maps)" on page xiii<br />
<br>2. Add the essay "Chronology (The Helix and the Sword)" on page xv<br />
<br>3. Add the essay "Introduction (The Helix and the Sword)" on page xxi<br />
<br>4. Add the essay title "Glossary (The Helix and the Sword)" on page 264<br />
<br>5. Add a scanned cover<br />
<br>6. Add notes about the untitled fictional letter on page vii, the Chronology, and the Introduction.<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:43, 24 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:26, 24 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Larry Niven / Ringworld ==<br />
<br />
I am PVing and editing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?28210 Ringworld]. I will add a couple of notes: 1) source of the "First Edition" statement - Currey 2) derivation of the ISBN from the SBN. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 16:16, 24 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Gate Thief ==<br />
<br />
I've replaced the Amazon image with a scan for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?435353 this] pub. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 16:52, 24 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Crucible of Gold (Novik) ==<br />
<br />
I've also replaced the Amazon image for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?410619 this] pub. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 16:59, 24 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Jitterbug ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19004 Jitterbug], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [8]+422+[1]<br />
<br>2. Add title "Western Sector: America (map)" on page [6]<br />
<br>3. Add title "Eastern Sector (map) on page [7]<br />
<br>4. Add essay title "Glossary (Jitterbug)" on page 407<br />
<br>5. Add essay title "Appendix 1: Brief History of the World" on page 412<br />
<br>6. Add essay title "Appendix 2: Memo" on page 415<br />
<br>7. Add interiorart title "Appendix 3: Chain of Command (org chart)" on page 420<br />
<br>8. Add interiorart title "Caricature of Mike McQuay" by Mel White on page [423]<br />
<br>Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:18, 25 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:51, 27 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Larry Niven / Limits ==<br />
<br />
I am PVing and editing the US version of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?248393 Limits]. The ISFDb pub record has the story "Folk Tale" on p205, whereas in my copy of the book it is "Table Manners" both on p205 and in the TOC. The latter is a variant title of the former. Can you please check your copy and advise. If it is consistent with mine then I will make the appropriate change. I have posted this note on the talk pages of Willem H, Dirk P Broer & GlennMcG. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 16:50, 27 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: My copy has "FOLK" over "TALE" on p205, and "Folk Tale" in the TOC. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:29, 27 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::We have a conclusion so I am posting this note on all your talk pages (Willem H, Dirk P Broer and GlennMcG). It is quite bizarre: there are two versions of the first printing. Willem H and GlennMcG have the version with "Folk Tale" on p205 whereas Dirk P Broer and I have the version with "Table Manners" on p205. I will clone the existing record, alter it to show the "Table Manners" title and add a pub note explaining the difference between the two versions. Then I will edit the original record and add a corresponding pub note. This should help to prevent a future editor thinking that these are duplicate records and deleting one of them. Thank you all for your help in resolving this matter. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 16:42, 30 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Warrior and the Witch ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49619 The Warrior and the Witch], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [xiv]+226<br />
<br>2. Add title "Author's Note (The Warrior and the Witch)" on page [vii]<br />
<br>3. Add title "Newport (maps)" on page [x]<br />
<br>4. Add title "East of the Sea (map)" on page [xiv]<br />
<br>5. Add title "Appendix One: Chronology on page 217<br />
<br>6. Add title "Appendix Two: Wentletrap's Dynasty (genealogy table) on page 220<br />
<br>7. Add title "Appendix Three: The Holy Family" on page 221<br />
<br>8. Add title "Index of Names (The Warrior and the Witch)" on page 222<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:56, 28 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Innocent Mage ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?246949 The Innocent Mage], would you mind if I change the page count to [10]+642+[18] and import the map title "The Kingdom or Lur" on page [6]? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:15, 28 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:58, 1 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Awakened Mage ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?246953 The Awakened Mage], would you mind if I change the page count to [10]+712+[12] and correct the start page numbers? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:30, 28 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Mostly ok, but the page # corrections play into a sort of gray area for page numbering (at least for me). I'd leave the main story on page 1, it points at the 'part one', not the additional main title page. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 17:05, 1 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Crystal Warriors ==<br />
<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37703; I replaced "P" cover with similar OL cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:40, 4 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Starfish cover ==<br />
<br />
Things are a bit chaotic as far as my book storage goes, but I just found my copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?257488 Starfish], and yes, silver ink background to the title of the book. I hope that answers your question. By the way, I've been meaning to read this novel, is it any good? [[User:MLB|MLB]] 20:42, 4 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: I'm afraid I haven't read it. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:37, 7 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Mace of Souls ==<br />
<br />
Hi. For {{P|43451}}, my copy has "First Avon Books Printing: 1991" (a decade after the current record). I expect this is simply a typo, but would you mind checking your copy, please?--[[User:AliHarlow|AliHarlow]] 05:48, 7 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: You're right, it's a typo. 1991 is correct. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:37, 7 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Passport to Eternity ==<br />
<br />
Added a note to your PVd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25682 Passport to Eternity].[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 17:00, 18 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Star Surgeon ==<br />
<br />
I've imported the cover credit for Mel Hunter for the SFBC edition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?838982 Star Surgeon] from the first edition. [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] 21:29, 19 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Meeting of the Waters ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44014 The Meeting of the Waters], would you mind if if change the page count to [10]+593, add the Author's Note title on page [9], and add the map title on page [10]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:50, 21 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:48, 22 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Sundering Flood ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48137 The Sundering Flood], would you mind if I change the page count to xv+238 and add the uncredited map on page [xv]? The current Roman numeral page count is incorrect since the last printed page number is xiii not xii. I'll also add cover artist, map artist, and ISBN/SBN notes. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:05, 23 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 12:55, 26 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Lady Blade ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19819; OL ID, OL cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] 12:35, 23 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== A Dirge for Sabis ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?482 A Dirge for Sabis], would you mind if I change the page count to [6]+393 and add the map title on page [5]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:26, 24 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 20:46, 24 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Dark of the Moon ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8901 Dark of the Moon], the cover art is currently attributed to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?106181 Heffernan]. I'm virtually certain that this is actually an alternate name for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?25927 David Heffernan] -- the block letter signature on Dark of the Moon closely matches the block letter signature on my copy of [Caught in Crystal]; and the cover art for Yngwie Malmsteen's album Trilogy ([https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71-bKDA3YzL._SL1395_.jpg front] [https://albumartexchange.com/covers/536219-trilogy-back back] has a signature on the front that matches Dark of the Moon even more closely, and has an explicit David Heffernan credit on the back. Assuming that this holds up, what would be the best way of handling it? I had initially submitted an edit to the cover artist entry on Dark of the Moon, but as I think about it, would it make more sense to link the two artist records? Or to leave the artist name alone and mention it in a note? Or to ...?<br />
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Thanks! [[User:Joe H.|Joe H.]] 11:21, 25 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Previous editors didn't give the source of the cover artist credit. However, the cover clearly has a Herffernan signature, so the attribution seem correct, but a note should have been added giving its source. (I can do so, if you'd like).<br />
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:: Yes, if you could, that'd be great. I'll withdraw my current edit.<br />
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: It doesn't seem unlikely that a artist credit could appear both with and without a first name. It seems better to me to link the two artist records, but you could always bring it up on the wiki help page for more authoritative guidance. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 12:23, 26 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Yes, that makes sense. I'll see what they have to say. Thanks! [[User:Joe H.|Joe H.]] 11:08, 27 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== God Stalk ==<br />
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Also, I was looking at my copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15616 God Stalk] and it looks like this is another [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?106181 Heffernan] cover -- on the very bottom right-hand corner, when I looked with a magnifying glass and a flashlight, I could make out a partial signature that again matches the block letter Heffernan signature on Dark of the Moon et al. Again, I'm not sure of the best way to handle this -- just document in a note, or ...?<br />
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Thanks! [[User:Joe H.|Joe H.]] 11:21, 25 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: My copy seems to have a complete 'HEFFERNAN' signature on the cover, albeit somewhat blurry. I'd credit as the single name, and note it, as per the help info for cover artist edits. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 12:41, 26 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: OK, I'll do that. Again, thanks! [[User:Joe H.|Joe H.]] 11:09, 27 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== First Truth ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13841 First Truth], would you mind if I change the page count to [12]+336 and add the map on page [5]? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:52, 27 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 22:54, 31 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Star Web ==<br />
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Added cover artist to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?32888 Star Web] and modified associated note. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:11, 29 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Species Imperative ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?68985 Survival], would you mind if I change the page count to x+483 to match the book? I'll also add the WorldCat ID and replace the Amazon cover. <br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?82172 Migration], would you mind if I change the page count to x+527 to match the book? I'll also add the WorldCat ID and replace the Amazon cover. <br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:16, 30 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 22:56, 31 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Starfollowers of Coramonde ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?255082 The Starfollowers of Coramonde], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [6]+361<br />
<br>2. Import the map title (record 1406573) on page [6] plus fix the map title date<br />
<br>3. Replace "Stated 1st printing" with "First Edition: February 1979" and "No printer's key so first printing assumed." notes.<br />
<br>4. Add LCCN<br />
<br>5. Add notes for cover artist, map artist, LCCN<br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 13:10, 30 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 22:58, 31 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== test math input ==<br />
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<math>\alpha</math><br />
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== The Regiment's War ==<br />
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I submitted a change for the page count on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?46001 The Regiment's War] to match the last printed page number. Once approved it will match the LCCN and WorldCat data. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:10, 31 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Moonheart: A Romance ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?22754 Moonheart: A Romance], would you mind if I add the Author's Note on page 479 and the Appendix on page 481? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 15:05, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 22:00, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Greenmantle ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?16001 Greenmantle], would you mind if I import the Author's Note (title record 1719684) on page 328? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 15:27, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 21:59, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Sorcery and Cecelia: An Epistolary Fantasy ==<br />
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I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5380088 this submission] on hold. Shouldn't the other two titles be variants of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3064231 Sorcery and Cecelia: An Epistolary Fantasy]? Only reason I looked for this submission is because I was reviewing your earlier edits when Ron approved them. Thanks [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:41, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: ahh.. I added the variant based on which title was entered earlier, rather than published. Also, it's seems odd that the other longer 'chocolate pot' publications names don't match <br />
shorter title record. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 18:55, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Subtitles in some of the publication titles, not in the title record. Do you want to change your submission(s)? If so, I'll approve them. Looks like one title record will need a date change too. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:05, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Should subtitles drive varianting? I guess I don't quite understand when it's ok to have a title with various publication names, vs. varianting. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:33, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Date determines the parent. 'Sorcery and Cecelia: An Epistolary Fantasy' published in 1988 is the oldest. 'Sorcery and Cecelia or The Enchanted Chocolate Pot' title date is 2003, it is a variant. I would correct the title record to 2003-05-00, add the subtitle, and variant. Sorcery & Cecelia or The Enchanted Chocolate Pot only needs to have the parent variant record number changed from 6862 to 3064231. I will release the hold if you disagree. If you agree, I'll approve the changes. No problem either way. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:58, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Please go ahead. (I'm off for a week on vacation). --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 21:52, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Prince of Ill Luck ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?45593 The Prince of Ill Luck]. I changed the note "1st edition as per number line" to a quoted edition note and a no number line note. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:07, 4 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Looks good. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:04, 11 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Purple Pirate ==<br />
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Do you know a reason as to why [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?274785 this] publication has not been included in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?23865 this] series given it's published by Zebra Books/Kensington Publishing Corp. and has "Volume 4" prominently on the cover ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 14:37, 4 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Not really. In fact, in my own personal catalog, I have it as volume 4 of 'Tros of Samothrace'. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:02, 11 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Possible Database Typose ==<br />
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Can you double check these possible database typos?<br />
* dispair - {{T|3044618|City of Hope & Dispair (excerpt)}} in {{P|327912|City of Dreams & Nightmare}}<br />
* habeus - {{T|2957630|Habeus Corpses (excerpt)}} in {{P|72833|Dead on My Feet}}<br />
Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:59, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Both typos. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 13:53, 11 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Fixed, thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:52, 11 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Course of Empire ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?68663 The Course of Empire], would you mind if I import the following titles?<br />
<br>On page [5] "Cast of Characters (The Course of Empire)"<br />
<br>On page 654 "Glossary of Jao Terms (The Course of Empire)"<br />
<br>On page 657 "Appendix A: The Ekhat (The Course of Empire)"<br />
<br>On page 663 "Appendix B: Interstellar Travel (The Course of Empire)"<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:37, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 13:52, 11 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Fata Morgana ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128641 The Fata Morgana], would you mind if I change the page count to 313+[1] and add the Author's note on page [314]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 21:52, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:34, 15 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Man Whose Name Wouldn't Fit ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?196257; I added Luminist PDF and entered the whole ID, 123-07020-075. EDIT: My edit was rejected because mod claimed only 07020 needed to be entered, and then mod made their own edit adding the PDF I found. I pointed out that publisher Curtis Books has about five dozen other ISFDB entries where the whole ID was entered, but whether any mods are going to respond to that or decide which way of entering the ID is actually correct remains to be seen. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:19, 15 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5710577; Subtitle entered in note should be part of title according to mod. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:46, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Edmund Cooper / Deadly Image ==<br />
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Posted on the talk pages of: Willem H, GlennMcG, Spacecow <br> I will be editing and PVing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?9422 Deadly Image] and propose to: <br> 1) update date to 1958-05-00, add pub note stating source which is the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?205393 1969 Ballantine second printing] and update date on title and coverart records <br> 2) add pub note advising that the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?293455 1958 UK Hutchinson hc] states that it is preceded by this edition <br> 3) delete the Clute/Nichols (sic) reference in accordance with my post: 'Clute/Nicholls and "First Edition"' on the Moderators' Noticeboard dated 3 April 2022 (now archived) <br> Are you ok with all this? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 18:11, 15 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:10, 16 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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==Edmund Cooper / Tomorrow's Gift==<br />
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Posted on the talk pages of: Kraang, Willem H, Dirk P Broer, GlennMcG, Spacecow <br> I will be editing and PVing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?189277 Tomorrow's Gift] <br> 1) the pub record has a contents entry "Brain Child". This matches the TOC but the title of the story on page 63 is "The Brain Child" <br> 2) the pub record has a contents entry "M81-Ursa Major". This matches the TOC but the title of the story on page 95 is "M81: Ursa Major" <br> I will make the appropriate corrections and add pub notes regarding the discrepancies with the TOC [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 17:56, 16 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Instrument of Fate ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18319 Instrument of Fate], do you mind if I change the page count to [8]+293 and add the map title on page [7]? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 06:49, 19 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:47, 20 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Shrine of the Desert Mage ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30373 Shrine of the Desert Mage], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+243 and add the map on page [8]? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:27, 19 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:48, 20 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Gatekeepers ==<br />
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Would you please look at your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?40407 The Gatekeepers] and see if the title on page [7] is "Preface" not "Introduction"? I'd like to change title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?980592] to "Preface (The Gatekeepers)". I know that title is also part of the hardcover edition verified by the inactive KPulliam but it's highly unlikely that there would be a difference in titles between the hardcover and the paperback editions. I'd also like to change the page count to [8]+456. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:40, 19 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: My copy has 'Preface'. (Introduction probably came from the front cover). Ok with page count. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:56, 20 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: I added the Open Library link to the hc. The archive has a scanned copy of the first printing. It confirms 'Preface'. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:20, 22 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== God Game ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15603 God Game], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Add the map on page 308.<br />
<br>2. Add the Author's Note on page 309.<br />
<br>3. Add WorldCat and misc notes.<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:35, 19 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:49, 20 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== White Mare, Red Stallion ==<br />
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There is a very unlikely author in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?54545 this publication], under the same name as the work itself.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 18:15, 19 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Copy/paste error. Edit submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:35, 20 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Ten Thousand ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?250428 The Ten Thousand], would you mind if I add the map on page 6 and the Glossary on page 467? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:34, 21 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:55, 23 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Vain Command ==<br />
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After a discussion with one of the moderators [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Philfreund#Squadron_Alert here], I have submitted an edit to add the missing Roman numeral page numbers to<br />
[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?32925 Vain Command]. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 06:30, 23 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Daggerspell and Darkspell - Del Rey ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8587 Daggerspell], I'd like to add the following:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to 16+395<br />
<br> Seems like it should be [16]+395<br />
<br>2. Import title 2135194 "A Note on the Pronunciation of Deverry Words (Daggerspell)" on page [9]<br />
<br>3. Add map title "The Provinces of the Kingdom of Deverry in the Year 1060 (map)" on page [12]<br />
<br>4. Add map title "Southern Eldidd in 1060 (map)" on page [14]<br />
: Otherwise, Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:58, 23 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?9123 Darkspell], I'd like to add the following:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [16]+366<br />
<br>2. Add title "A Note on the Pronunciation of Deverry Words (Darkspell)" on page [9]<br />
<br>3. Import map title "The Provinces of the Kingdom of Deverry in the Year 1060 (map)" on page [12]<br />
<br>4. Import map title "Southern Eldidd in 1060 (map)" on page [14]<br />
<br>5. Add title "Appendix: Characters and Their Incarnations (Darkspell)" on page 361<br />
<br>6. Add title "Glossary (Darkspell)" on page 363<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 15:56, 23 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:11, 24 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Bristling Wood ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36554 The Bristling Wood], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Add title "A Note on the Pronunciation of Deverry Words (The Bristling Wood)" on page 9<br />
<br>2. Add title "Appendix: Characters and Their Incarnations (The Bristling Wood)" on page 353<br />
<br>3. Add title "Glossary (The Bristling Wood)" on page 354<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 06:54, 24 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:13, 24 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Dragon Revenant ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38755 The Dragon Revenant], would you mind the following changes:<br />
<br>1. Change page count to [12]+401+[17]<br />
<br>2. Add title "A Note on the Pronunciation of Deverry Words (The Dragon Revenant)" on page [9]<br />
<br>3. Add map "The Bardekian Archipelago in 1070 (map)" on page [11]<br />
<br>4. Add title "Glossary (The Dragon Revenant)" on page 397<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:36, 24 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:15, 24 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== A Time of Exile ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1276 A Time of Exile], would you mind the following changes:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [10]+404+[16]<br />
<br>2. Add title "A Note on the Pronunciation of Deverry Words (A Time of Exile)" on page [7]<br />
<br>3. Add title "Incarnations of the Various Characters Throughout the Deverry Series (A Time of Exile)" on page 395<br />
<br>4. Add title "Political Chronology of the Kingdoms of Deverry and Eldidd (A Time of Exile)" on page 396<br />
<br>5. Add title "Glossary (A Time of Exile)" on page 401<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:05, 24 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:17, 24 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Red Wyvern ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?45983 The Red Wyvern], I'd like to do the following:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [12]+393+[7]<br />
<br>2. Add essay "Author's Note (The Red Wyvern)" on page [7]<br />
<br>3. Add the map on page [11]<br />
<br>4. Add essay "A Note on the Pronunciation of Deverry Words (The Red Wyvern)" on page 385<br />
<br>5. Add essay "Glossary (The Red Wyvern)" on page 389<br />
<br>6. Add essay "Table of Reincarnating Characters (The Red Wyvern)" on page [395]<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:58, 2 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:29, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Black Raven ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?235629 The Black Raven], I would like to do the following:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to xiii+415+[2]<br />
<br>2. Add essay "A Note on the Deverry Sequence (The Black Raven)" on page ix<br />
<br>3. Add the map on page xiii<br />
<br>4. Add essay "A Note on the Pronunciation of Deverry Words (The Black Raven)" on page 409<br />
<br>5. Add essay "Glossary (The Black Raven)" on page 413<br />
<br>6. Add essay "Table of Reincarnating Characters (The Black Raven)" on page [417]<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:35, 2 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:32, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Fire Dragon ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?249142 The Fire Dragon], I would like to make the following changes:<br />
<br>1. Change page count to [12]+418 and add note about no printed Roman numerals<br />
<br>2. Add essay "Table of Incarnations (The Fire Dragon)" on page [9]<br />
<br>3. Delete the existing map title and replace it by importing the map title used in "Days of Blood and Fire". (The map title add is currently waiting on mod approval.)<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 13:19, 2 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:33, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== A Time of Omens ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1282 A Time of Omens] I would like to add the essay "A Note on the Pronunciation of Deverry Words (A Time of Omens)" on page ix. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 13:25, 2 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:35, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Snare ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30933 Snare], I would like to:<br />
<br>1. Change the title to "Snare: A Novel of the Far Future" to match the title page. Based what I'm seeing in the majority of the WorldCat records, I'll also change the canonical title name to the new value instead of doing an unmerge and variant.<br />
<br>2. Change the page count to [10]+676<br />
<br>3. Add essay "Author's Note (Snare)" on page [9]<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 22:37, 2 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:57, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Palace ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25544 Palace], I would like to:<br />
<br>1. Change the title to "Palace: A Novel of the Pinch" to match the title page. Based what I'm seeing in the LCCN record and the majority of the WorldCat records, I'll also change the canonical title name to the new value instead of doing an unmerge and variant.<br />
: I'd leave it alone, per leaving series names out of titles.<br />
<br>2. Add a note about the odd split format of the title page. <br />
<br>3. Change the page count to [10]+450<br />
<br>4. Add essay "Author's Note (Palace)" on page [9]<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 06:51, 3 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Otherwise, ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:00, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Emerald House Rising ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?12174 Emerald House Rising], I would like to change the page count to [10]+325 and add the two maps on pages [8] and [9]. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:29, 3 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:03, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Wild Swans ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49997 The Wild Swans], I'd like to add the essay "Author's Note (The Wild Swans)" on page 447. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:40, 3 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:04, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Fire Sanctuary ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13650 Fire Sanctuary], I want to:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [14]+370<br />
<br>2. Add the map on page [7]<br />
<br>3. Add the essay on page [8]<br />
<br>4. Add the essay on page [9]<br />
<br>5. Add the genealogical table on page [10]<br />
<br>6. I'll move the WorldCat ID to external and add notes as well<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 18:16, 3 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok.<br />
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== Raven series ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27410 Swordsmistress of Chaos], I'd like to add the map on page 6.<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27398 A Time of Ghosts], I'd like to change the page count to [8]+199 add the map on page [6].<br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 06:23, 4 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure. The maps look the same to me, so perhaps sharing them makes sense. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:06, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Steerswoman ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?47936 The Steerswoman], I'd like to:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [8]+279<br />
<br>2. Add the map on page [6]<br />
<br>3. Add a scanned cover<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:02, 4 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:16, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Outskirter's Secret ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?45002 The Outskirter's Secret], I'd like to:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [8]+342<br />
: My copy is [10]+342.<br />
::Indeed it is. My bad. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 17:30, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br>2. Change the map author to Rosemary Kirstein and add an associated map artist note<br />
: Sure. <br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:25, 4 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:37, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Mammoth Book of Awesome Comic Fantasy ==<br />
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Could you please double check {{P|43683|The Mammoth Book of Awesome Comic Fantasy}}? Per the second printing:<br />
*page 90 is credited as Esther Friesner and not Esther M. Friesner<br />
*page 110 is credited as Nelson Bond and not Nelson S. Bond <br />
*page 175 is credited as Michael Coney and not Michael G. Coney<br />
*"The Caliber of the Sword" is on page 344 and not 244<br />
Do these need to be corrected in the entry for the first printing or did they real change between printings? I will point the other verifier to this conversation as well. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:25, 4 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Your differences are correct. Note that I just submitted an edit with a replacement for the Amazon ISBN based cover image. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:25, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Deryni Magic title ==<br />
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Please look at the title page of your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?9926 Deryni Magic: A Grimoire] and see if it matches mine which only reads "Deryni Magic". I'd like to change the both the title and canonical title to "Deryni Magic" as well as add a note that the cover shows the title as "Deryni Magic: A Grimoire". I'll also have to change the cover image title to match. I'd also like to add the map titles on pages vi and vii. The other active PVs have this same request. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 16:59, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure. (I see the edit already went through). --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:18, 9 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Bikini Planet ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4470; I added Archive.org link and replaced unstable "P" Amazon cover image with stable Amazon image that looks the same. --[[User:Username|Username]] 23:28, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Lodge of the Lynx ==<br />
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For [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34999 The Lodge of the Lynx], I want to change the cover artist to "Daniel R. Horne". The existing cover art note is almost correct but it's a keyhole double cover and the signed art is on the inner cover not a frontispiece so I'll fix that as well. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 14:11, 10 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:16, 10 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Temple and the Crown ==<br />
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For [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48395 The Temple and the Crown], would you mind if I change the page count to xi+542 and add the essay on page ix? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 17:59, 10 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:52, 12 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Magic's Price ==<br />
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For [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21139 Magic's Price], I'd like to add the map on page 6. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:57, 11 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:53, 12 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Oathbreakers ==<br />
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For [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?24660 Oathbreakers], I would like to:<br />
<br>1. Import the maps on pages 6, 7, 8, 9<br />
: Ok<br />
<br>2. Import Appendix One on page 283<br />
: I wish the rules were clearer on whether 281 or 283 should be used.<br />
<br>3. Add title "Appendix Two: Songs and Poems (Oathbreakers)" on page 289<br />
: ditto 287 or 289<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:27, 11 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:57, 12 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Trumpets of Tagan ==<br />
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For [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48890 The Trumpets of Tagan] I'd like to change the page count to viii+258. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 22:17, 13 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:04, 14 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Tongues of Serpents - Naomi Novik ==<br />
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I've replaced the Amazon image in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?347095 this pub] with a scan. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 15:41, 19 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Edmund Cooper (Richard Avery) / The Deathworms (Death Worms) of Kratos ==<br />
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I need to notify 5 active PVs of changes I propose to make to the above title. The details of the changes are on my talk page [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Teallach#Edmund_Cooper_.28Richard_Avery.29_.2F_The_Deathworms_.28Death_Worms.29_of_Kratos here]. If you wish to comment, could you please do so on my talk page so that we keep the whole conversation in one place. Thanks. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:13, 19 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Glen Cook / A Shadow of All Night Falling ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?254119 A Shadow of All Night Falling]. This pub has numbered roman numeral pages at the start so I will change the page count accordingly, index the map and add pub notes. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 15:40, 20 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== World Without End ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55357; I replaced unstable Amazon cover with stable Amazon cover, which looks the same, and added Archive.org link. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:20, 26 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Return to Eden ==<br />
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Hi<br />
I notice that many of the publication records of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?9231 Return to Eden] contain the appendix, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?979454 The World West of Eden] as well as the prolog and the map as separate entries, so in the interest of consistency I'd like to add them to the contents of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27998 the publication you verified] if that's OK. Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 01:00, 5 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure. In case you don't have access to a copy, the prologue is on page ix, and the appendices on 345. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:06, 5 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== David Zindell / The Lightstone (maps) ==<br />
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I am in the process of editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?43086 The Lightstone]. This pub has two maps which are uncredited but signed with a handwritten "R.G.". Whilst trying to find the creator of these maps I discovered that your PVd copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?273957 Lord of Lies] has maps credited to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?130091 Richard Geiger]. So he probably did the maps in The Lightstone but to confirm can you please advise: 1) are the maps in your Lord of Lies explicitly credited to Richard Geiger? 2) are they signed "R.G."? Thanks. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 19:06, 6 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: "Map by Richard Geiger" on copyright page. Map signed "R.G. '01" in lower right corner. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 00:31, 7 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Charles Sheffield / The Nimrod Hunt ==<br />
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Posted on the talk pages of active PVs: Ahasuerus, Willem H., GlennMcG<br />
<br>I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44718 The Nimrod Hunt]. There is a pub note stating "Price in Canada: C$4.95". My copy has no Canadian price. Is there a Canadian price on your copy? If we all agree there is not then I will delete this note. I also propose to add a pub note about the discrepancy in the heading of the excerpt on page [407]. This states "...coming in July 1985..." despite Nimrod Hunt being published in August 1986. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:59, 13 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: No C$ on mine. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 14:17, 13 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Excellent: we have 100% agreement amongst the four of us. I have just submitted the edit to make the changes as per my original proposal and have also added the "Not to be confused..." note suggested by Ahasuerus. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:12, 13 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Vernor Vinge / The Peace War ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?45166 The Peace War]. I will import the existing record for the excerpt of "Between the Strokes of Night" by Charles Sheffield which appears in the unnumbered pages at the end of the book and will adjust the Pages field to 378+[4] accordingly. I have verified that this excerpt in The Peace War is identical to the excerpt in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44718 The Nimrod Hunt]. Incidentally, since this pb of The Peace War was published in June 1985, the statement "...coming in July 1985..." at the head of the excerpt now makes sense. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:45, 13 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Delian Cycle minor fix ==<br />
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There's a typo in the notes for The Delian Cycle (which you verified), "preceds" instead of "precedes", so I'll fix it unless you have any objections. Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 01:42, 14 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Reprint Dates ==<br />
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Several clone pubs submissions for reprints had the same date as the original publication. I removed the date on these. However, I released I was over zealous on a couple and had misread the date and notes. I restored those. If I missed anything, please let me know and & I will fix. Sorry for the confusion. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:41, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: The only one I don't understand is https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5463341 --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:36, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::How do you derive the publishing date from that? If I understand the note correctly, the publication lists itself, but not the next pub? That would have been true of the first publication. How do you know they didn't simply update the second printing list vs. it was published before the next book in the series? Or was that known practice for this publisher? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:20, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: It was an attempt to reverse engineer a pattern that Bluesman used for dating non-first printings that I was PVing. (I attempted to use that scheme to date non-PVed books that I had non-first printings). Pocket Books seems to be quite consistent in number series listings in their books.<br />
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::: The way I interpret that data, is as such. Find the 1st printing date of the last book listed in a series. (STTNG, for example). Call it last. Find the same for the next higher book (not listed), and call it next. Then assume that the publication date of this non-first printing is: last <= date < next. Apply this to the various series listed in the book, and then apply an old-school logic puzzle game to the cross-series results. The book in question however had less data to apply. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:26, 25 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::::These extrapolated dates always make me a bit nervous. Anyhow, I have restored the date. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:53, 25 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Dick ~ St. Clair / The World Jones Made ~ Agent of the Unknown ==<br />
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Posted on the talk pages of active PVs.<br />
<br>I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?50485 The World Jones Made ~ Agent of the Unknown] and propose to change the date from 1956-00-00 to 1956-03-00 and add a pub note stating the source: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360808 Galactic Central Bibliography]. I will also add the month to the associated records (title and coverart). I will be adding the month to several other PKD books in the near future. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:22, 27 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Philip K. Dick / Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?14030 Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said] and will add notes and import the existing record for the interior art on page 2. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:45, 6 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The formatting ==<br />
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Just a gentle reminder that we do not enforce formatting in the Notes field and converting every single Note you touch into HTML is not a good idea - not all the editors are comfortable working with HTML. When you are adding a lot of additional notes, that's fine but if you are adding a single note or a couple of short notes, please don't convert to your preferred formatting just because you like it more than what you find in the field - instead use the existing formatting and add the note using it. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:43, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Dragons, Elves and Heroes ==<br />
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Glenn, Double check [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5479044 this submission]. 0345017315 maybe? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:54, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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: You're right. 0-345-01731-5 is the correct ISBN. Not sure what brain function kicked to produce this error, but 0 is close to 1 numerically, but not keyboard positionally. The note has the right number. I can resubmit if you'd like. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:02, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Yes please. Cancel the held submission as well. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:14, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: Done. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:26, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:::: approved. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:39, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Olympus ==<br />
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I accepted your edit to the notes of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?24822 this pub]. Let's remove this note 'The first pages are roman numbered.' and correct the Pages field to reflect the Roman numerals. I know you didn't write it. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:20, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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: I left things alone because there didn't seem to be a way to distinguish separately sequenced roman vs arabic sections, vs one sequence starting with roman and continuing with arabic. For example, in this book, the pages are numbered i–ix, blank, 11–317, not i–ix, blank, 1–317. (In the page field syntax). Perhaps enter ix+317, and note that arabic section starts with 11? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:33, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: ix+317 is correct. I don't believe any note is necessary. The contents section is clear. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:42, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Silent Warrior ==<br />
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Cover art for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?47237 this] is not Chris Achilleos. It's Alan M. Clarke. See [https://ifdpublishing.com/product/trilobite-returns-to-helvoran-large-print/ here] --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 06:19, 17 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:● I have added the correct credit to the artist, the web page that the artwork can be found on, and on the artworks’ page, the title of the work. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 15:21, 17 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Haven ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?16527; Copy uploaded recently on Archive.org, note says April 2000, I assume that was a mistake so when I added a link I also changed it to September. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:40, 20 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Error confirmed. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:59, 21 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Changing Amazon Dates ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?657166; My edit adding Archive.org link and changing 01 to 00 in the date was rejected because mod said I should have asked you about changing the date first. As you probably know, Amazon routinely has day as 01 when they don't know the real day (or sometimes 01-01 if they don't know the month and the day); 05-01 could be April, May, or June and book said May so that's what I changed it to, 05-00. In the future, assuming I'm still editing here much longer, would you like me to just adjust the day when I find an actual copy with the date without leaving you a message? In this case the mod left the Amazon date as it is but did make another edit adding the Archive link that I found myself, so at least that's there now. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:30, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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: My edit didn't change the date, but added the source. My practice has been to only change the date if it's in the previous month, and the printing statement gives the next month. (And noting the difference). Since I couldn't prove that it didn't actually get issued on the first, I left things alone. If group consensus wants something different, it's ok with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 14:45, 24 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Just a quick note here: As 2018-05-01 is a Tuesday and that had been the usual day for the big US based publishers to publish their books for the last few years, the date here is most likely correct: while Amazon may have issues with some publishers’ dates and -01 may indicate lack of knowledge of the day of publishing, that is very unlikely to be the case here considering the newness of the book and the publisher. Books get published on the 1st and the history of the publisher and its practices and the specific date it is (in this case being a Tuesday) need to be taken into account before removing valid data from the database. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 01:58, 25 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:::If there was a note saying that it was actually published on the 1st then that would be true, but Amazon doesn't do that, so barring a photo of a review copy with the specific publication date on it, which is not the case more often than not, it's always best to enter the date as it is in the publication itself. Some do include a specific day, usually small-press books or older books in reprint editions where they mention the exact dates of previous printings, but most don't. It's all moot, anyway, because often dates in books and when they were actually published are two different things. There are probably tens of thousands of books on ISFDB that have the wrong date, some people entering them from the book itself, others taking the date from an online site like Amazon or genre sites like Locus which often differ from the date in the book (I know because I've fixed probably thousands of them), so it's all guesswork and only of interest to people who care about minutiae; there's not a single online site I've ever seen that could seriously be called truly accurate. Just read, that's what's really important; you never know when all this may be gone. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:06, 25 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:::: From the help section "The base date optionally may be made more precise (e.g., supplying the month or day of publication) using information from a secondary source, if that source's date is otherwise consistent with publication's stated date. The source, and which details of the date were obtained from that source, must be recorded in the publication notes. See [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Date-SecondarySources Secondary Sources of Dates]. The publication is in compliance. FWIW, [https://astrapublishinghouse.com/product/the-summer-dragon-9780756408343/ here] is a link to the publisher's website confirming the 2018-05-01 date. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:21, 25 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:::::That doesn't confirm anything; lazy publishers routinely just copy dates straight from Amazon. It might really be the right day or it might not. Unless someone can verify they bought the book on its publication date by showing a receipt and it really was the first day of the month then the month will suffice here. As I said, dates in books and publication dates often differ, sometimes greatly. Cemetery Dance has one of the worst track records when it comes to publishing books on time, sometimes coming out years after the date in the book. Very few books or other publications can be pinpointed to the exact day they were published and it really isn't that important compared to other stuff like, for example, the huge amount of collections and anthologies on ISFDB that have missing/incomplete/inaccurate contents; that's what most people are interested in, not knowing what exact day the book was published, because that matters little to their enjoyment (or not) of the book. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:39, 25 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== SF: The Year's Greatest Science-Fiction and Fantasy Second Annual Volume / Shared title change discussion ==<br />
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I'd like to change [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?175371 SF: The Year's Greatest Science-Fiction and Fantasy Second Annual Volume] to "The Year's Greatest Science-Fiction and Fantasy: Second Annual Volume" as per the title page. (unlike the front cover and spine). Thoughts? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 19:33, 1 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Hmmm. Just noticed the large SF on the previous page.<br />
::I'll dig it out and have a look inside.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:32, 1 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::I'm inclined to leave it as is. The current title I believe is the intended title, just printed on two separate pages.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 10:35, 2 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::I’m away from home for the next few days, but I’d vote for leaving it as is based on your descriptions. [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 10:50, 2 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I could see it turn into "SF: The Year's Greatest Science-Fiction and Fantasy: Second Annual Volume". Are sub-sub-titles not a thing? The volume part is in a smaller/different font than the first part. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:32, 2 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:: That would be more in line with the third and fourth annual volume of the same series, too.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] ([[User talk:Dirk P Broer|talk]]) 21:58, 2 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::I've looked at the first four, and the sub-sub-title suggestion makes sense and aligns with the others in the series. [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 21:29, 3 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I've submitted edits for the 2nd annual pubs. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:00, 4 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Baynes Illustrations for Tolkien ==<br />
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Hi GlennMcG<br />
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I'm holding two submissions [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5475700 here] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5475701 here]. These would replace the single INTERIORART record for our mutually verified ''Smith of Wooten Major & Farmer Giles of Ham'' withe separate INTERIORART records for the illustrations from the separate publications of the two stories. If I were the sole verifier, I would approve these, but I'm actually ambivalent about the change. Do you have an opinion on whether these edits should be approved or rejected? I'm leaving the same note on all the active verifiers page and will follow up if we have a disagreement on what to do. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:22, 5 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Doesn't seem to be much of a win to change, but meh? However, I'd guess that the illustrations were commissioned for the combined works, rather than as separate projects. I'm ok however it turns out. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 14:18, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::I actually think it's more likely that these are the Baynes illustrations done for the original standalone editions and not a new illustrations specifically for the combined edition. I'm going to go ahead and approve the edits. There is a [https://archive.org/details/smithofwoottonma1975tolk partial scan] of a 1978 standalone edition of SWM where the title page matches ours. There is also a [https://archive.org/details/farmergilesofham0000tolk full scan] of FGH included in a different collection in 1977 and with matching illustrations. While these are later printings, they all bear the same original copyright dates. These aren't definitive proof, but do suggest that the illustrations are the same as the original standalone publications. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:47, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bernard Wolfe / Limbo ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20399 Limbo] and will add pub note "Year confirmed by Tuck", new essay "Author's Notes and Warnings" (page 409) and page numbers to the contents. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:48, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== James White / Hospital Station ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17347 Hospital Station]. In my copy, the story on page 84 is titled "Trouble with Emily" but the Contents section of the pub record has "The Trouble with Emily". Could you please check the title in your copy. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:03, 11 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: My copy matches yours. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 04:59, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::I will make the change. Thanks for checking. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:11, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Crowther - Forbidden Planets ==<br />
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Hi Glenn, the notes [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?256837 here] are very clear about the Afterword but I suggest it should be titled "Afterword: Forbidden Planet[s?] (Forbidden Planets)". Could you check it out, and also clarify whether it's 'Planet' or 'Planets'. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:10, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: It's "Forbidden Planet" over "Stephen Baxter" at the actual essay on page 289. It seems to me that the title is ok as is, or perhaps just change to "Forbidden Planet". --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:31, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: As far as I know, we take titles from the book's table contents page (and not from the body of the publication) and detail the difference (in this case on p.289) in the pub Notes.<br />
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::That would give us "Afterword: Forbidden Planet" as the title (as per table contents page).<br />
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::Then we add the book's title in brackets. So, finally.... "Afterword: Forbidden Planet (Forbidden Planets)".<br />
:: The last sentence in the Notes ("The essay...") explains the situation perfectly. Here's a random example of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?53528 Afterword titling]. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:32, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: From the help section - "Short fiction, essays and poems. For short stories, essays and poems, when working from a primary source, always take the title from the heading on the page where the work begins. The title shown in/on the table of contents, running page headers, index, front cover of the publication, secondary bibliography, or a promotional website listing is secondary. Any differences between titles in the publication may be noted in the publication notes, but this is not required. If titles are being entered solely from a secondary source, please record the source in the note field."<br />
::: Glen is correct. No disambiguation is necessary since there are not other essays with the same title by Stephen Baxter. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:42, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::Thanks John for stepping in to sort me out:) I'm sorry Glenn for getting it all wrong - I remembered the way it worked - exactly backwards! My mistake, and a lesson. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:10, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ghosts ==<br />
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Regarding {{P|178129|Ghosts}}: I updated several author credits to match the story title pages:<br />
* p67, Jack M. Dann to Jack Dann <br />
* p85, Mary E. Wilkins Freeman to Mary Wilkins Freeman<br />
* p213, Charlotte Riddell to Mrs. J. H. Riddell<br />
Also, do you see a cover artist credit on this pub? I'm not seeing a credit or a signature. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:12, 21 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I see initials JK in the lower right corner of the front cover. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:27, 21 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks. I've updated the pub notes with that. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:27, 22 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Evil Overlord / Human For A Day==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?98621; I added (incomplete) Archive.org copy some time ago; today while adding info for DAW anthologies that are on Open Library but not searchable on the Archive (identified by their white "Preview" button) I came across this one again and while adding LCCN ID I noticed the Roman numerals weren't included in the page count so I added an xi. I assume your copy has the same. EDIT: Also added Archive.org link, LCCN ID, and viii to this; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?358071. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:22, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Replacing some Amazon images on verified publications. ==<br />
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I have replaced the Amazon image with a scan from my copy for the following: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?22532 The Mocking Program] by Alan Dean Foster and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?584398 Solar Express], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?657176 Assassin's Price] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?486772 Rex Regis] by L. E. Modesitt, Jr. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:34, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Strange Music ==<br />
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I was planning on adding the foreword by Kevin Hearne to [[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?657063 this pub]] to match the HC and verified ebook, as my copy does have it. It will require changing the page count to xii+387 from 387. I will also be uploading a scanned cover and adding the Canadian price of 10.99. Any problem with this? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 13:09, 4 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Sounds good. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:28, 4 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== "Mind Slayer" ==<br />
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When I found Your pv title [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?31970 Mind Slayer] I wonder if the title isn't spelled wrong. All external-IDs, the cover and Amazon have a different spelling "Mind Slaver". I'm wondering as the title is primary verified four times. Can You approve again? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 15:14, 6 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I guess it was invisible. 'Slaver' is correct. I've uploaded a new cover image while driving by. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:35, 6 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Concrete Savior ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?346717; There's an Archive.org copy (one of those that only appears on Open Library) so I added a link but the page count was way off, 343 instead of 384. You as PV can tell me what your copy's count is. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:56, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: 343. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 22:41, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Talon of the Silver Hawk ==<br />
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Minor tweaks to contents of Talon of the Silver Hawk https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34446 if you have no objection.<br />
[[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 22:43, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Magician's End ==<br />
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Minor tweaks to contents of Magician's End https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?412824 if you have no objection.<br />
[[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 23:07, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Rides a Dread Legion ==<br />
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I made minor changes to contents of Rides a Dread Legion https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?274016 if you have no objection. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 00:49, 10 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Charles de Lint / Moonheart: A Romance ==<br />
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Posted on the Talk pages of active PVs GlennMcG, Philfreund.<br />
<br>I'm looking at my copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?22754 Moonheart: A Romance] and the pub record. This doesn't seem to be set up correctly. It should be unmerged, assigned to a title record of "Moonheart: A Romance" and this should be varianted to "Moonheart". Actually, there is a case for making "Moonheart: A Romance" the canonical title as it's the first publication. However, as there is only 1 pub titled "Moonheart: A Romance" and 16 pubs titled "Moonheart", I don't feel strongly about which is the canonical title. Mind you, I would bet that some of the other pubs also have "A Romance" on the title page, particularly the Ace pb reprints. What are your thoughts? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:47, 13 February 2023 (EST):<br />
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: The notes indicate the subtitle 'a romance' (which is present). I just PVed and made no edits and left things alone. My personal esthetic for subtitles tends to ignore essentially 'content-free' like this, or 'a novel'. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 21:01, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::On a purely personal level I completely agree with you. I consider statements such as "A Romance" on the title page to be a description of the work and not part of the title. It also opens the door to problems because it makes it too easy for editors to forget or not bother to include subtitles which results in inconsistent pub records accumulating as they have with Moonheart. However, our personal opinions are not relevant. The [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Title ISFDb policy] on this states that it should be entered as a subtitle so that's what we have to go with. Coincidentally, this policy actually uses "A Romance" as an example. Based on your and [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Philfreund#Charles_de_Lint_.2F_Moonheart:_A_Romance Philfreund's] replies, I will do the varianting but first I will stick a post on the Moderator Noticeboard to ask which should be the canonical title as it's rather subjective. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:41, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Sirens and other Daemon Lovers ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted a submission adding page numbers to the contents for your verified {{P|253718|Sirens and Daemon Lovers}}. The submission used a copy on Archive.org as the source and cited that in the notes. Please review. If you do review and verify that the page numbers match your copy, delete that citation from the notes -- we'd prefer to know that someone saw those page numbers on a copy of the book in hand. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:18, 19 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Page #s PVed and edit submitted. Noticed a missing subtitle and submitted edits. Will need to merge. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 18:31, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Glad I could help. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:39, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== One in Three Hundred / The Transposed Man ==<br />
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Hi Glenn, re your title [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?24989 here], I'd like to add a link to an Asimov [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?481353 variant cover]. I noticed that your cover was upgraded in 2019 so I thought that providing a link would alert future editors of the relationship (if they missed it in summary pages. Are you ok with that? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 06:47, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:55, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Thank you. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:19, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== L. Neil Smith / The Probability Broach ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?181953 The Probability Broach] and propose to:<br />
<br>1) change page count to vii+275<br />
<br>2) create a Content record for the Appendix<br />
<br>3) add explanatory pub notes<br />
<br>[[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:22, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:31, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Circus of Dr. Lao cover artist ==<br />
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I added Mitchell Hooks' credit for the cover of the Bantam [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37138 Circus of Dr. Lao] along with a note that he signed it.--[[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 09:08, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Snowcastles and Sometime After the Equinox==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?322251; I copied the Romas note over to Star Axe since artist's name is visible there, too, but I noticed for that book you or someone made an alternate name while in this one no one did. Should artist be a variant in this, too? EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?31142; this one, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:05, 24 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I used the name from Locus. Not sure how to prioritize secondary sources. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 19:06, 24 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Upon reflection, I'd prioritize the one that matches the canonic name. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 22:45, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== YoED ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?371303; I fixed that obviously wrong publisher name, the only one such on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:10, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Demon Night ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/demonnight0000smit; I fixed month in cover art (was 00) and reg. title (was 02) but I think publisher in your PV should be Ace Fantasy Books. Anyway, this 3rd printing was uploaded recently in case you care to enter it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:59, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
: The title page indicates 'ace books'. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 14:18, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== K-9 Corps ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5602460; I'm replacing the unstable "G" cover; another book in the series (Under Fire) also has an unstable cover but current Amazon cover has a watermark from some bookseller so I didn't replace it. Also, 1 book is missing WorldCat ID and 3 are missing LCCN ID in case you wanted to finish adding those. EDIT: I added Archive.org links to 3 books in the series and another link to StarSpawn by the same author (+ LCCN ID), which you also PV, but I noticed the cover has the same watermark (papierplanet.de) as the one I mentioned above, in case you can upload yours or a better one from somewhere besides Amazon (Open Library doesn't show the cover but it does show the title page with a message and signature by the author). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:45, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Chariot ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?88806; LCCN is for the HC, not the PB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:25, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
: Changed it. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 22:50, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Asimov - Nightfall and Other Stories ==<br />
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Hello Glenn, just to let you know that I've entered all the introductions to {{P|178377|this pub}}, replacing the generic <i>Biographical Comments in "Nightfall and Other Stories"</i> title. I don't know if this would be any use to your {{P|205725|record here}}. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:33, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
: Update: Have a look at [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Taweiss#Asimov_-_Nightfall_and_Other_Stories this thread] which may be of help. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:09, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dragon Blade ==<br />
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Would you please look at the title page of your copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?281293 Dragon Blade] and see if the title should actually be "Dragon Blade: The Book of the Rowan"? I just found that on the SFBC hardcover edition which means that it's also true for the original Tor hardcover edition. That means the canonical title should be "Dragon Blade: The Book of the Rowan". Also, does your pb copy happen to show the cover artist as just "Royo" instead of "Luis Royo" like the SFBC dust jacket does? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 13:37, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
: My copy has the subtitle, although it's also vaguely a series position designator. Back cover has 'Cover art by Royo'. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:14, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::In that case, if you don't object, I'm going to submit edits to change all the titles, including the canonical title, map, cover, etc. to "Dragon Blade: The Book of the Rowan". I'll also change the artist to just "Royo" and variant if necessary. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:48, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 20:29, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Accidental Earth ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=%22the+accidental+earth%22; Printed in Canada on copyright, printed in U.S.A. on back, what does your copy say, this may be Canadian edition which can be entered by me. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:15, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: My copy has "Printed in United States of America" on the copyright page, and "Printed in the U.S.A." on the back cover. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 14:19, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK, I entered a new record, copy-and-pasted your notes and added a new note about printing info, and added a C to the price. Cover is ragged so no sense uploading it; maybe someone will see this and upload from their own Canadian copy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:08, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Beauty (Pocket Books) ==<br />
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Hello, Glenn. Happy St. Patrick's Day, if you're observant. For [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?267522 this book], the tree (?) on the right of the cover looks like it's initialed HB. Could the artist be Harry Bennett? —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 18:13, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I agree that the initials 'hb' are present. I've looked at various covers on ISFDB credited to Harry Bennett, and it seems plausible, but I have no evidence to declare certainty. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 13:52, 16 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Star Science Fiction Stories No. 3 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?32089<br><br />
discussion: https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Star_SF_Stories_.233<br><br />
I'm planning to give the edition [https://isfdb.org/wiki/images/3/3e/STRSTRSN4B1954.jpg this new cover]<br><br />
--[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] ([[User talk:Spacecow|talk]]) 05:49, 22 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Drake/Morris' The Fourth Rome ==<br />
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When you have a free moment, could you please take a look at [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Biomassbob#Drake.2FMorris.27_The_Fourth_Rome this discussion], which affected the way the cover artist of your verified pub was credited? TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:05, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wolves of London ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?575595; I changed 460 pages to 464. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:15, 13 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mutant Files Roman Numerals ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5644894; I think the viii in page count shouldn't be there because the next page is 9; 320 is total number of pages including the Roman ones. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:18, 25 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Check out the discussion at https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:GlennMcG#Olympus Olympus. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 14:48, 26 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Something About a Glossary ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5665025; A mod approved a huge number of my edits today, more than usual, but this is the only one that was rejected. I honestly can't remember anything about it but you are the active PV, I think the other one is gone, so if you can decipher what I was trying to add you can decide whether you think it's important and enter your own edit(s). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:20, 25 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Edits added for the series. Each books has the glossary, but adds entries from book to book. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:20, 29 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Should they be "Glossary", not "Glossry"? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 07:34, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Seems likely. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 14:43, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Fantasy 2002 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13199; WorldCat ID leads to a page with a different ID so should it be updated? Also, the e-book on WorldCat has "ix" so that should be added to page count since intro is also a Roman numeral. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:27, 29 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: The worldcat link points to a page with a book with the same ISBN. The cover image doesn't match, but that's not an issue for the ISFDB entry. I've submitted an edit for the roman page count. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 22:24, 29 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Baen's Spider Reprints ==<br />
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Hi Glenn -<br />
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I'm doing some cleanup on {{Series|24801|The Spider}} series and I see that we have a subseries for the Baen omnibus editions, {{Series|27387|The Spider (Baen)}}. I see a few issues with how we have this set up. First off, I don't know that the series should be numbered. I've have the first book in the series, {{P|99311|The Spider: Robot Titans of Gotham}}, and I haven't found any indication that it is numbered. Could you check your verified copy of {{P|839668|he Spider: City of Doom}} and see if they indicate that it is number 2 in a series? If Baen did support a separate numbering for their omnibus editions, I would argue that a publication series would be better than a title series. Assuming that they do not number them, I don't see a need for a subseries at all. Rather I think these should simply be part of the regular series. That way, we could use the content field on the title record to show which novels are included. What are your thoughts on this? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:00, 29 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: No numbering present. I'm ok with your suggestion. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:28, 29 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zebrowski - The Monadic Universe ==<br />
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Hello Glenn, I'll be adding the Reginald3 ID# to your PD'd {{P|44250|pub}}. Reginald states the pages as xx+167 and looking at the titles pagination, I suspect yours should be same. If it is the same, I can add that change to my edit. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:21, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Go for it. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:31, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: :) Thanks for the quick reply! Will do. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 17:00, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Also adding Reg3# to {{P|277309|The Omega Point Trilogy}}. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:52, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zeddies - Deathgift ==<br />
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Hello Glenn, I'm adding Reginald3 ID# to your PV {{P|9587|pub here}}. As I'm adding a lot of Reg3 ID#s, could you let me know if you still want to be notified every time I do those simple edits? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:19, 4 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: No need when adding external links like these. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:45, 4 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for your helpful reply. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:47, 4 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The City and the Stars ==<br />
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Glenn, I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5672926 this submission] affecting one of your verified publications. Are you okay with it? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:32, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Ok in general, but it seems that the notes should indicate that the publication has no credits/signatures, and provide the information providence. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 20:59, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: I agree, in fact I restored a similar note in one of the other publications. What about importing the existing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3162956 COVERART title] instead, thereby preserving your note. We could add a note along the lines of; "Cover artist identified by the current owner of the original artwork." [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 22:46, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 23:38, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Berbora ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5686924; I replaced cover with brighter one on Bookscans. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:10, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wizard's Eleven ==<br />
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Hello Glenn, BanjoKev [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Willem_H.#Tepper_-_Wizard.27s_Eleven pointed] me to the pagecount of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55143 Wizard's Eleven]. I checked my copy, and the pagecount should indeed be xiv+187. Do you mind if I change this? Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 16:47, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: No problem. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:19, 12 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Yellow Fraction ==<br />
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You are PV for https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?50846. I submitted metadata for it (actual SBN on the spine & unstated first edition, & Goodreads external ID). Cheers. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 04:26, 12 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Earthgrip ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5692901; LCCN confusion; your copy has the same (incorrect) number, right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:56, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Same LCN. I noticed that your edit doesn't include the html markup that the rest of the notes use. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:51, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Tepper - Southshore ==<br />
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Hello Glenn, could you please check the cover artist title spelling "Chrstensen" {{P|31357|here}}, it looks like a typo (it's "Christensen" in the notes) but I wanted to make sure. If it is, is it alright with you if I correct it and then merge it with the {{T|142450|1987-06-00 title}}? Thanks, Kev.--[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:35, 16 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Sure. I added the note, but didn't notice that the pre-existing cover artist was misspelled. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 02:34, 17 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Submitted, thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:05, 17 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Medusa Encounter Possible Duplicate ==<br />
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Hi Glenn -<br />
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I'm looking at your {{P|842745|verified copy}} of ''The Medusa Encounter'', and it looks like it may be a duplicate of {{P|3127|this record}}. Is there something I'm missing? If it is a duplicate, you can move your verification to the other record and we can delete the extra copy. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:40, 19 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Note the different location for "Infopak Technical Blueprints". I assumed a significant enough difference to clone. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 21:52, 19 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Upon further thought, I could just add a note to the other record indicating the alternate location, if you'd prefer. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 23:00, 19 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Thanks for the explanation. I think it's OK how you did it. It was just a little hard to pick out that difference between the two records. Since they're both first printings, although different states, I'll copy the external IDs over to your record. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:23, 20 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Dark Dominion'' cover ==<br />
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Glenn, I've added the full wraparound cover for David Duncan's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8809 Dark Dominion], to illustrate that the cover of Arthur C. Clarke's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36941 The Challenge of the Spaceship] is a variant, something that was not evident before. Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 03:35, 23 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Starcrossed ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?217017; Copy on Archive.org says $1.75 on front cover. Does yours say $1.50? There doesn't seem to be any indication of their copy being a later printing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:26, 23 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: My copy is $1.75. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 05:28, 24 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Witches ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace#Witches; First edition needs cover artist. Can you check your copy? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:42, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Cover artist is not credited in my copy. (Perhaps a signature is buried somewhere in the artwork itself, but I can't find it). --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:28, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Future We Wish We Had ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?940545; Title ends with War, not Wars. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:27, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Alcheringia ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44017; LCCN not on Library of Congress website, should be removed and put in Notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:21, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Edit submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:23, 29 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Lost Planet ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251365; I have a PENDING edit adding Archive.org link and the LCCN that's on the copyright page. If your copy has the author as Paul V. Dallas on title page you should change it and there are Roman numerals that should be added although they go from xi to xiii in this copy so if yours does, too, you should make a note of that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:10, 26 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Edit submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:23, 29 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Highwaymen ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17090; While adding Archive.org link I also fixed title, it's & Rogues. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:20, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:32, 14 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Martin & Tuttle / Windhaven ==<br />
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You have PVd the 1st US pb edition of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251127 Windhaven]. Could you please take a look at [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Willem_H.#Martin_.26_Tuttle_.2F_Windhaven this thread]. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:03, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ace Face ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5737168; Old cover was the wrong one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:56, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Garden ==<br />
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added artist. Source https://laberintogris.com/es/luis-royo-80s-90s/1342-luis-royo-original-el-jardin-los-viajeros-de-startrek-3.html [[User:Aardvark7|aardvark7]] ([[User talk:Aardvark7|talk]]) 12:38, 11 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Be the Serpent ==<br />
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In {{P|957658|Be the Serpent}}, there are two cover records. Was this intentionally or does one need to be removed? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:40, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Not sure how I did it, but I've submitted an edit to remove the dup. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 23:08, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Nicoji ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23891; It's Don Clavette on copyright page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:06, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I don't follow the point you're trying to make here. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:24, 14 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Point is that whoever entered artist entered the wrong first name so I left a message on all active PV's boards to let them know; one of them fixed it as you can see. That's one of the things I do here, correct all the countless mistakes that have been sitting unnoticed for years because PV don't bother to check that all the info in the book they're verifying is actually correct. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:22, 14 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The last edit I see is from 2021. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:37, 14 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title_history.cgi?141275. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:45, 14 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== King Dragon ==<br />
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A quick note about your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?244329 verified first printing of ''King Dragon''], which states that the number of pages is 278. I have a copy of the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?244333 undated second printing] and the last numbered page is 277. The page that follows it is not numbered and contains a full-page illustration.<br />
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[[Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages]] says the following about this scenario:<br />
* ...you may record the count of unnumbered pages at the end of a publication. For example, 320+[4]. As before, only do this if there is additional content in these pages that requires the creation of a content record, as when there is an afterword or book excerpt which appears on unnumbered pages.<br />
I suppose a full-page illustration counts as "content". However, we don't have a separate Title record for it since all 50 (!) illustrations are covered by a single INTERIORART Title, so the Help condition "requires the creation of a content record" is not satisfied.<br />
Based on the above, I have updated the "Pages" field of my verified record to say "277" and the Note field to say:<br />
*The last numbered page is 277. The following page is not numbered and contains a full-page illustration.<br />
Does this match your understanding of how the quoted Help sentences apply in this case? Thanks for checking.<br />
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P.S. I will leave an identical note on the other active verifier's Talk page. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:49, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Ok with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:51, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Updated, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:17, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wilson Tucker / The Lincoln Hunters ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?43095 The Lincoln Hunters] and will add the Author's Note and pub notes. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:12, 19 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Castle Keeps ==<br />
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You PV'd this edition: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?244357 I submitted note to moderator: Submitting pub note additions (Berkley Pub. Corp., assumed 1st ed., number on spine), & Goodreads external ID. Cheers. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 03:39, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== A Brand New World ==<br />
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You PV'd this edition: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?253 I just sent in the following: Submitting web page 1 (blog article) & Goodreads external ID for this edition. Cheers. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 22:35, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== One Million Tomorrows ==<br />
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You PV'd the following edition: https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25003 I sent this in to moderators: Submitting two web pages (Wikipedia, blog retrospective review) & Goodreads external ID. I met Bob in 1982 while I was living in London. Nice guy. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 07:49, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== <b>Alpha Yes, Terra No! / The Ballad of Beta-2</b> ==<br />
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● Can you please check your copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?282001 Alpha Yes, Terra No! / The Ballad of Beta-2]? According to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?968140 Paperback Fantastic, Volume 1: Science Fiction] the cover of <i>The Ballad of Beta-2</i> is by Jack Gaughan, who is credited with <i> Alpha Yes, Terra No!</i> instead. Before permanent credit is assigned, I would like to know. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 00:07, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The publication has "Cover Art by Ed Valigursky" on the copyright page of "The Ballad of Beta-2" side. "Cover Art by Jack Gaughan" on the "Alpha Yes, Terra No!" side copyright page. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:07, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Well okay. I think I got that attribution straightened out now. Marriott may have read the inside credit for the illustration and got them mixed up. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 02:48, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Sanctuary ==<br />
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Glenn, I'm holding submissions adding Keith Birdsong as cover artist to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3863 all three] publications (no support provided). Your verification [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?32561 here] makes you the only active PV. I was able to find this [https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/keith-birdsong-star-trek-61-sanctuary-1878025596 listing]. If you think this is sufficient, would you mind submitting an edit adding the credit and modifying the notes? After approving your submission, I will approve the submissions adding the same credit to the other two pubs. Thanks for your help, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:47, 3 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Edit submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:02, 4 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Touch the Stars: Emergence ==<br />
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I would like to change the title [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?25678 Touch the Stars: Emergence] to simply "Emergence" since "Touch the Stars" is a series. I'd do the title and both existing publications (for one of which you were a PV). Any objections? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:59, 4 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Sounds fine. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 14:23, 4 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Yolen - Dragonfield and Other Stories ==<br />
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Hello Glenn, re your PV for {{P|11111|this pub}}, as Reginald3 gives the page count as xiii+241,could you check yours? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:06, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Mine's the same. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 19:56, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks, in that case, I'll submit an edit. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 02:16, 8 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Norton - 'Ware Hawk ==<br />
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Hello Glenn, with regard to {{P|24|this pub}}, I've posted to Dirk P Broer's page [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Dirk_P_Broer#Norton_-_.27Ware_Hawk here] and would appreciate your input. Thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 00:17, 10 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Once a Hero ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3915; Cover artist needs importing into TP. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:34, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Magical Beginnings ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21165; If intro starts on 13 the Roman numbers in page count should be removed since numbering is continuous. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:48, 24 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I've been given advice in the past that this is fine as is. The rules don't seem to directly address this case, however. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:40, 25 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Veiled Web ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?280456; I added links to original PB and TP editions where artist is Nielson; does your printing really say Nielsen or is it Nielson (in which case it needs fixing)? PV of TP incorrectly entered Nielsen so I left a note asking her to fix it if her copy says the same. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:11, 24 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Edits submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:01, 25 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== This World Is Taboo ==<br />
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Please see [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#This_World_Is_Taboo this conversation] which would impact your verified {{P|202037|Ace Books edition}} and {{P|44001|The Med Series}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 06:44, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Iseult ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18696; 3 PV, you're the only active one, I just added archived link in a PENDING edit, do you think the subtitle on title page should be added as part of the title? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:17, 3 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Unkindness of Ravens ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2523; PENDING edit with archived link, page count is 234, not 236; needs fixing? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:29, 3 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
: My copy has pages numbered up through 236. Story ends on 233, Notes and Acks on 234, and an excerpt for the next volume on pages 235 and 236. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:48, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Copy has p. 234 then inside back cover so I'm going to assume, like a lot of uploaded copies that are old or ex-library, it's ragged and the last 2 pages fell out/were ripped out. Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:53, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Devils'' ==<br />
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A quick note about our mutually verified [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?178105 ''Devils'']. It turns out that the artist's initials, "JK", appear in the lower right corner, although they are hard to see. The Notes field has been updated. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:34, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Conjurer's Curse ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?262265; I let another PV know that they had 2 books in the Belmont New Shadow series that now have unstable Amazon "G" images that should be replaced; a search reveals that this book that you PV is the only other one with a "G" so maybe you can replace it with Bookscans cover on this page, http://bookscans.com/Publishers/belmont/belmont3.htm, or somewhere else if you can find a better one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:45, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I've replaced it with a scan of my copy's cover. (when edit is accepted). --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 01:19, 5 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Freeman ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?40206; Archive.org copy linked in my PENDING edit, ISBN on inside front cover and back cover is OK but the one on copyright page is wrong, 21674 instead of 26174, if yours is the same you may want to mention that in the notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:46, 10 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Edit submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:12, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Chromosomal Code ==<br />
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You are a PV for this title: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37082 I just submitted this edit to moderators: Submitting External ID (Goodreads) & web page 1 (a statement from the author on how he wrote this novel). Cheers. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 07:59, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Five Worlds ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5801798; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5801801; I have PENDING edits for 2 of the books in Al Sarrantonio's Five Worlds trilogy; #2, Journey, is not to be found so hopefully someone will upload it soon so people can read the series in order. You wouldn't happen to have a copy, would you? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:26, 31 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I have a copy of Journey, as I've PVed it. What do you mean by uploading it? It's under copyright. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 20:02, 31 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Just noticed the archive.org site mentioned. Not sure what to think about it. Seems a bit sketchy. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 20:05, 31 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Masters of Mars ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?25817; I added archived link to Queen back in May, just added link in a PENDING edit to Haydn (which was uploaded in 2011 so I'm not sure why I didn't add that link when I added Queen), but, as with his Five Worlds series, #2, Sebastian, is missing. Do you have a copy? Also, title dates and book dates for the Mars books don't match so either dates on copyright pages or Amazon dates should be used for all. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:38, 31 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I have copies of all the books in this series. (All PV'd by me). The dates on the pub records match the dates on the copyright pages. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 20:08, 31 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Survival Margin ==<br />
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● I added a new cover image to your verified listing of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?269091 Survival Margin] from my copy. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 04:49, 1 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Did You Say Chicks ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10111; Archive.org copy uploaded way back in 2011 so I added a link in a PENDING edit; editor has no middle initial on title page or anywhere else except contents page and editor's story's title page so editor's name should be fixed if your copy is the same. Also, ISBN on copyright page and back cover are different so a note should be made of that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:02, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
: Edit submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:44, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Duplicate Reginald Numbers ==<br />
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Hi GlennMcG -<br />
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I'm going to add a note to your verified record {{P|3346|Aubade for Gamelon}}. The catalog number assigned for your publication in {{Reginald3}} is also assigned to a second book. There are a few of these mistakes in Reginald and I'm adding notes cross referencing the two publications. Please let me know if you have any concerns. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:13, 14 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Genesis Cover Art ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?283242; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15204; Rick Lieder has a few credits as by Leider here so I'm trying to make variants but for this book there's no credit inside and the cover is signed Lieder on lower right corner so I think it should be changed to that, no variant. EDIT: Oddly, this one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4661, does actually credit him on copyright page and it does say Leider so I'll have to make that a variant. Also, there might be a signature on the cover next to the word Grant but it's hard to tell what it spells. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?985709; I added Archive.org link in a PENDING edit and it says Leider with no signature on the cover that I can see. Finally, Winter Knight has Lieder on copyright page and was entered as such but this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?986241, also has Lieder, [https://www.picclickimg.com/images/g/aqQAAOSwUbpgxW7y/s-l1600.jpg], but was entered here as Leider so that should be changed, too, no variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:12, 20 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Best Time Travel Stories of All Time ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35928; I have 2 PENDING edits adding Archive.org links to both editions of this book and the PB says "December 2003" on copyright page, not March 2004. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:26, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
: edit submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:19, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Nine Horrors and a Dream Cover ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?24316; While doing some J. P. Brennan edits I noticed FantLab's cover was a bit better (bigger and better-framed; ID fully visible on top left) so I replaced Bookscans cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:49, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Cyteen hardcover ==<br />
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Would you object if I make the following changes to the hardcover edition of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8537 Cyteen]? Change the page count to [7]+680 with the first map on [6] and the second map on [7]. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:03, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Whoops! I was just reminded that these should be Roman numerals in this case. So the page count would be [vii]+680 and the maps would be on [vi] and [vii]. Sorry for any confusion! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 18:13, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Sounds good. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 19:28, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Juggler ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?42347; I have a PENDING edit adding Archive.org link, LCCN, and $5.95 price. You entered Canadian price correctly in the notes so I assume your entry of $4.95 for the US price was just a mistake and it doesn't say that in your copy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:55, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Edit submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 18:47, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Not needed, I fixed price in my edit as explained above so when yours comes up in the queue mod will just reject it with an "already done" note, I was just letting you know because you are the PV; I assume since you did make the edit that it really is $5.95 (if it isn't I'd just cancel my edit and do it over without fixing the price). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:55, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Empire by Orson Scott Card ==<br />
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Added an image for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?219865 your verified pub]. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 22:05, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Messiah Stone ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=messiah-stone; 5 PV, you're the only active one, as can be seen in the archived copy it does not say "second printing" on copyright page but number line does end with a 2. Does this look like your copy? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:57, 22 December 2023 (EST)<br />
: Yes, my copy only has the number line ending in 2. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:23, 22 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks, I'll add the archived link, one of the other PV must have added the wrong info (or maybe they have some copy that actually says second printing, we'll probably never know because 2 are deceased and 2 have been gone from here for years). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:34, 22 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Sherwood Game ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?47066; No M. on title page. EDIT: Cover is bad with name on top hard to see; new one should be uploaded. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:13, 25 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Hi Glenn<br />
:I've double checked my copy and I'm going to proceed with changing the author credit. Let me know if you have any concerns about that change. There is a bit of scratching on the cover of my copy and I'm not really able to get a better scan of the cover. I've no objections if you can get a better scan and wish to replace the existing one. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:17, 26 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: I had to use my light box to get a plausible scan of the cover. Metallic ink covers are a pain to deal with. Uploaded. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:50, 26 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Child of the Eagle ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6779; No M. on title page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:35, 25 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Hi Glenn<br />
:I'm changing this one too after checking my copy. Again, let me know if you have any concerns. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:21, 26 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Edwin Herdes? ==<br />
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Hi! Is it really Herdes who is credited with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1158 this publication]? (Later publications in the title series have Edwin Herder). If you have the time to look it up: that'd be appreciated. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:29, 3 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: "Cover illustration by Edwin Herdes" on copyright page for my copy. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 18:24, 3 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::Also Herdes on copyright page of Archive.org copy which I linked to in a PENDING edit. Also linked 2nd novel in the series which says Herder. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:27, 3 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Conan and the Amazon ==<br />
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Does {{P|218737|Conan and the Amazon}} have a date for the second printing? You typically note all printing statements and you didn't add one in your submission. If not, I will add a pub note stating the source is Locus1 (I double checked that was the source). Let me know. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:40, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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Same question with {{P|332203|Conan the Formidable}} & {{P|208345|Conan the Relentless}}. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:55, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: No date specified in the book. Just the number line. I've dithered about later printings with specific dates, but providence not specified in the notes.<br />
: Sometimes I've taken the approach of (approximately) "Publication date from mysterious source, confirmed by Amazon.com as of xxxx-xx-xx". <br />
: Sometimes I just don't note it at all. <br />
: However, I do look through the edit history, and if I can find where the date got added to the record, and the source is noted, I'll add that. But usually it's a change with no source info.<br />
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: Suggestions? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:21, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::If you can find a source, you can just use the source so for your example above I would make it "Publication date from Amazon.com as of xxxx-xx-xx". If you cannot find a source, I would put "Source of publication date unknown". Both make it clear that there was not a date in the pub and it is coming from a secondary source. If the pub has a Locus1 secondary verification, then the source is likely from [https://www.locusmag.com/index/ here]. That is where I found these three. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:20, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Cancelling Submissions ==<br />
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In processing your last batch of submissions, I came across a couple of cases where you had duplicative submissions. In both cases, it seemed there was an error in the first one so you submitted a second one without the error. If this happens again, it would help if you cancel the first submission. That makes it much easier to moderate. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:27, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: That's normally my process. Sorry I missed a few. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:14, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== In the Light of Sigma Draconis ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1452<br />
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hello there i'm asking the other active pv and you if you mind if I Make a couple of changes to this book which I own ie change the page number to xvi+237 and say that the last unnumbered page has an illustration of the starship described in appendix B. Also change the page number for the start of the novel to xii as it starts with a poem on this page and then has xiii-xv as a prologue. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 13:42, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:08, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== S&S XVIII ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34048; While adding Archive.org link in a PENDING edit noticed 320 page count was wrong so fixed it to 308. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:07, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== S&S XIX ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34041; I added archived link, uploader noted wrong page and they're right, what should be p. 149 is actually p. 151, so you may want to write a note about that if it's the same in your copy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:25, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Bard III ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3594; Cover is unstable so I replaced it in a PENDING edit with current Amazon cover which looks good and shows more of the art on the right side. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:00, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Dhampire ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10072; The artist is mentioned in the comment link but was never entered in the record so you may want to do that and cut-and-paste the comment note into the record's note; also, the image is unstable so you could replace that if you can find one as good or better. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:58, 1 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Edit and cover scan submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 03:12, 4 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Microcosm ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?216925; PENDING edit with archived link and fixed page count of 339. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:37, 3 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Bone Doll's Twin - verify cover art on your edition ==<br />
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Hi there, before I do any cover image update on the pub, I'm double checking with the other active verifiers of Bone Doll's Twin 1st edition [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36253 mass market paperback] - would you be able to double check that your edition has the gold-backed title like this amazon image? [https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71e9CvGwKTL.jpg]. My library copy does, which is why I'm looking to correct the one the pub is showing. To my knowledge the black-backed title on the cover is from later printings. Thanks! [[User:Kapotun|Kapotun]] ([[User talk:Kapotun|talk]]) 19:07, 5 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: My copy has white lettering on a metallic gold background. I've recently gotten a better light box and can get a reasonable cover image for the publication record. New image uploaded. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 04:22, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks for confirming and uploading the new image! [[User:Kapotun|Kapotun]] ([[User talk:Kapotun|talk]]) 10:05, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== David Gerrold / With a Finger in My I ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55056 With a Finger in My I] and propose to: 1) change the coverart record to the name as stated in book and make "Mati Klarwen" an alternate name of "Mati Klarwein". 2) Change story title "The Crystal Castle" to "This Crystal Castle". Is all this ok with you? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 10:05, 11 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 21:13, 11 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Best Science Fiction of the Year #4 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4166<br />
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hi there i'm just letting the active pvs know that i'm correcting the note for this one where it says 25429 to 24529 [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 09:01, 14 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== David Gerrold / A Season for Slaughter ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1097 A Season for Slaughter] and will add in the interview on page 557. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 12:16, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== SWVSS ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30563; Archive.org link added in PENDING edit, copyright page says art by G-Force Design so either they should be added as cover artist or at least mentioned in a note, they have several ISFDB credits. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:52, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
: Edit submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 14:41, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Phantoms of the Night ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5895535; While adding Archive.org link in a PENDING edit I made some changes fixing Cantrell name, Morgan name/title, 2 missing story lengths. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:55, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Witch of the Dark Gate ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?237429; PENDING Archive.org link, fixed count to 175. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:30, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Theodore Sturgeon / Beyond ==<br />
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Posted on the Talk pages of: Rudam, Dirk P Broer, Spacecow, GlennMcG<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4294 Beyond]. The only source for the cover artist is the abbreviated signature "Suss" on the artwork itself. In this situation, the coverart record should be under the artist's canonical name, not an alternate name. Hence I will change the coverart record from "Beyond by Art Sussman [as by Arthur Sussman]" to "Beyond by Art Sussman"<br />
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FYI: coincidentally, there is a current discussion related to this topic (but for a different publication) [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Secondary_source_artist_credit_in_face_of_credit_change_over_time here]. In his post at 11:33, 19 February 2024 (EST), Ahasuerus has created a very useful table showing 'What we enter in the "Artist" field'. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:45, 24 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Theodore Sturgeon / Some of Your Blood ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?230029 Some of Your Blood] and will supply the month: 1961-01-00 and state the source: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360893 Galactic Central Bibliography]. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:35, 28 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Future Crimes ==<br />
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I accepted [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5810380 this edit] based on the Internet Archive scan which shows the Roman numerals. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:52, 2 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Return ==<br />
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Please see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5801801 this edit] which I am holding that impacts your verified pub. Do you agree with the addition of the author's note? I assume it was based on the Internet Archive scan, but the scan is now showing as "Borrow Unavailable" so I cannot confirm that. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:10, 2 March 2024 (EST)</div>
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Mavmaramis&diff=681065
User talk:Mavmaramis
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[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Mavmaramis/Archive_1 Archive 1 (2015-2020)]<br />
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== Recent Cyteen changes ==<br />
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Hi. You just made changes to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8537 Cyteen] with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5813497 this submission]. While I don't disagree with the changes, you really should have contacted both [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:GlennMcG GlennMcG] and me who are active PVs for that publication first. We both respond quickly. You also should have changed the page count to [7]+680 with the first map on [6] and the second map on [7]. Regards, [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:50, 19 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Would you object if I make the following changes to the hardcover edition of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8537 Cyteen]? Change the page count to [7]+680 with the first map on [6] and the second map on [7]. (Also sent to other PV) Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:04, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Decidedly yes object to doing that - does not at all match my physical copy. First numbered page is 1 (Verbal Text from: THE HUMANE REVOLUTION....).The maps are on the preceeding UNNUMBERED pages before this and there are decidedly not seven unnumbered pages prior to page 1 either. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 15:43, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Looking at the Help text for the Pages field, it says "Sometimes a publication will have unnumbered pages before page 1. If there is any material in these pages which needs to be entered as part of the contents of the book, you may record this by entering the count in squared brackets. For example, [6]+320 would be a publication with six unnumbered pages and then 320 numbered pages. There is no need to record these unnumbered pages if they contain no content that needs to be recorded.". We both agree that there are unnumbered pages before page 1 and there are two maps on those unnumbered pages. My understanding is that you count the unnumbered pages starting with the first page with printing on it from the front of the book and count until you reach the last unnumbered page with printing on it. Starting with the page that has only "Cyteen" printed on it and stopping on the last map page, there are a total of 7 unnumbered pages. Per the Help, that number is entered in brackets, hence [7], making the correct page count value [7]+680. The two maps are on unnumbered pages 6 and 7, so they are entered as pages [6] and [7] respectively in the page number field of their Regular title entries. Does this make sense to you? Regards, [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:00, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::::You are overcomplicating what is an already straightforward entry. Normally one does not count things like title page, copyright page etc as part of the page numbering. Do whay you will I have nothing furthwer to say. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 11:54, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::Based on your response, I thought it would be prudent to check on this with a moderator. Based on [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Anniemod#Did_I_explain_this_correctly_or_am_I_wrong.3F this discussion], I determined that my counting procedure was correct. Since the other PV agrees with my revised changes, I have updated the record accordingly. Regards. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:32, 16 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Fontana's A Cure For Cancer ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?220125; I added Archive.org link in a PENDING edit and fixed publisher to Fontana / Collins since that's what it says in the book on the title page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:49, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Childhood's End ==<br />
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Can you please take a look at {{P|356516|Childhood's End}}? The catalog number is given as G643, but the cover shows G463. Is this a database typo or does the book have the transposed digits inside? Can you either correct the record or add a publication note regarding the disconnect? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:27, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:It was a databse typo. Check physical copy and it is G463 which is only printed on the cover and nowhere else. I've submitted a correction. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 08:32, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Approved. Thanks! --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:06, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Golden Apples of the Sun 1978 UK HC ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?520003; I added Archive.org link and entered page numbers for the stories in a PENDING edit but there are 2 stories not in the book; "Great Fire" and "Big Black and White Game". I'm going to remove them and also import Mugnaini's interior art. Re: publisher I think it should probably be changed to this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?17853, as similarly dated and priced Bradbury books are there, but that's up to you. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:48, 8 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Can confirm the two stories you mentioned are not in this publication. As far as publisher goes maybe wise to include Granada as the publiher (so something like Hart-Davis, MacGibbon / Granada) as Granada Publishing is prominent on title page and copyright page. Otherwise someone might assume that Granada had no part in it's publication. You could always raise this on the Moderator Noticeboard on the Commiunity Portal given that merely becasue other Bradbury publications of this date were merely entered as Hart-Davis, MacGibbon does not indicate Granada were not involved. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 13:20, 8 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Suaine and the Crow-God ==<br />
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I added the Internet Archive scan to {{P|278254|Suaine and the Crow-God}}. In doing so, I noticed the page count was wrong (the prior count was less than the last listed contents) and two typos. I made the corrections based on the scan. If by some odd chance, the scan differs from your copy, please let me know and I will revert and clone a new record. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:25, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Page count should be 255, checked with my physical copy. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 11:58, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for confirming. My prior edit seems to have gone missing. I must not have hit submit. I re-did it so you will now also see the typo corrections. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:32, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::I noticed edit was missing so I did one; it was rejected because J's edit fixed the same stuff. However, there may be a few other issues. I think "day on end" should be days; also, why are some art titles capitalized and others not? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:13, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Lost Continent of Mu ==<br />
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Would you please check the page 70 artwork title of {{P|972226|The Lost Continent of Mu}}? Is the missing space in "TheDistribution..." a database typo? If not, please add a note stating it is original to the pub. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:28, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:It's a typo. Should be "The Distribution" (with a space). --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 11:50, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Fixed. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:35, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Tegne ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34650; I added Archive.org link and other stuff to the PB in a PENDING edit; first word in the title has an accent over the e so I fixed that. If your PV TP does, too, then you can fix that and I'll add it to cover art (parent and variant) and title record. EDIT: I just noticed something; since it's a series then Tegne shouldn't be in the PB or TP titles because that's the rules here, dropping series names from titles. The series title does have the accent over the e so if you agree to remove Tegne then I'll re-do my edit doing the same and then I'll just have to add the accent to the cover art(s). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:05, 12 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34650 Warlord of Zendow] does indeed have an accent over the e of Tegne. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 23:58, 12 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Half A Life Title ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?269198; While just making an edit adding archived link I noted subtitle "and Other Stories" is also in this edition so can you add that to the title if it's also in your copy? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:38, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Done. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 11:54, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Space Traveller ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?70359; While adding Archive.org link I also noted NZ $18.95 price, no number on last page, and misspelled word on title page (Reminiscenes); not sure if that error requires a variant but that's up to you. I also added link for Star Diaries (Mandarin edition); nothing else was required for that. Both are PENDING and should be approved sometime in the New Year. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:12, 29 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:That's fine. All details you mentioned confirmed from my own copy. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 01:50, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Digital Fantasy Painting ==<br />
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Happy New Year! Would you mind if I added some images to this record? https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?514360 —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 15:06, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
: Not at all and a happy new year to you too. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 16:27, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Harry Harrison / West of Eden ==<br />
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I am editing an PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?180877 West of Eden] and will add month: 1985-07-00 and state source: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?567901 Galactic Central Bibliography] [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:23, 3 January 2024 (EST)<br />
: Carry on but since those are minor edits you don't really need to inform me. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 14:32, 3 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Martian Chronicles ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?353769<br />
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hiya mate Ive got this book and i'm asking the pvs about a couple of issues. the first one is just that 2 of the contents are out of order ie "The old ones" and "the martian" theyre on the same page but old ones should come first. The second one relates to the fact that the stories are all prefixed by a date in the contents and before the story itself. In this book there is no colon or hyphen and all the contents entries leave out the date except the last one which uses the variant with the date. for consistency i'd like to swap it out for the variant without the date. cheers from Gaz<br />
: Proceed. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 10:38, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Robert (A.) Heinlein / The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?357544 The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress]. In my copy, the author's name is stated as "Robert Heinlein" on the title page even though it's "Robert A. Heinlein" on cover and spine. So I propose to change the author's name and add a corresponding pub note. Is your copy the same? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:34, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Mine is the same. Proceed. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 00:21, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Sphere Cities of Wonder ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5872641; If your copy has readable prices on the back you can erase my note after approval and enter them all; also, pre-decimal price, if there is one, should be added to price field because it's a 1970 book before the switch to decimal prices. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:10, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Right prices on back cover are thus: Australia 1.00c; New Zealand 85c; UK 6/- (30p); South Africa 75c; East Africa 7/25. Hope that helps. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 15:02, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::OK, thanks, I cancelled old edit and made new edit; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5872984. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:57, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Star Maker ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?269259<br />
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hello there i'm asking the active pvs to have a quick shufti at this one re the pages field. In my copy the last numbered page is 264 which is the lsat page of the note on magnitude essay. After that theres the 3 pages of time scale diagrams followed by a load of magnum adverts so i'm thinking it should be 264+[3]? That time scale diagram sequence has been entered as contents for the 2003 sf masterworks edition so it could be imported here as well if you think its worth it. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 19:57, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Mine is the same. You could add a note about the additional pages after the diagrams having adverts. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 23:55, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Year's Best SF 1972 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?286137<br />
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hiya mate, just to let you know that i'm going to import the 4 cartoons on p87-90 that are already entered in the other editions of this title. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 17:47, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Ive just noticed the map on p45 in the first sphere edition so that's gone for import as well, Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 18:00, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Ultima Thule ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?367484; Fixed story's # to 69. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:40, 26 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Robert A. Heinlein ==<br />
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Please see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5790838 this edit] I am holding that impacts your verified pub. The Internet Archive link being added shows a pub with "Paul Harris Publishing" on the title page, but "Taplinger Publishing Company" on the dust jacket. Does that match your version? There are other Internet Archive versions ([https://archive.org/details/robertaheinlein0000unse_a5x2], [https://archive.org/details/robertaheinlein0000unse]) which have the same cover, but have Taplinger also on the title page. What does your jacket say? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:07, 2 March 2024 (EST)</div>
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