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<div>See [[User talk:Holmesd/Archive1|Archive 1]] 20 Jan 2008 to 23 October 2014<br />
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See [[User talk:Holmesd/Archive2|Archive 2]] 24 October 2014 to 15 January 2018<br />
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See [[User talk:Holmesd/Archive3|Archive 3]] 18 January 2018 to 15 October 2020<br />
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== Forest Mage cover ==<br />
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It looks like you PVed and added a cover image to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?220833]. On my copy the New York Times blurb and title are in orange, but it appears as if yours are pink. Do you think this is a scan artifact, or that there are actually two cover styles? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:26, 21 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Just checked to see if it was fading and the actual colour is orange - so probably a colour adjustment by the scanner to compensate for something. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:59, 21 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Then I'll scan my cover and update the record. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 01:01, 22 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
::And my HP laserjet has the same problem. I had to take a picture with my phone to get it orange. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 01:26, 22 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Princeps' Fury / Butcher ==<br />
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I'm cloning [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?293208] for a later printing, and noticed the format given doesn't match my copy. My copy of later printing, but same price, is a premium/tall rack format. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 21:18, 26 December 2020 (EST)<br />
: I need to put this (and several other books) into Transient. I recall that the books in the series did contain the premium/tall rack size, but couldn't swear to this particular one. Given it's my image and the proportions match, I'd say this one should change. It's been a long time since the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive08#Premium_paperback_size earlier discussion] in 2009 and I suspect many editors haven't been following the rules. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:01, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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Are you suggesting that I change it? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:40, 28 December 2020 (EST)<br />
: I no longer have it, so the other primary verifier now has the last word. My inclination is to change it. My inclination is also to resurrect the 2009 discussion in light of 10+ years of experience and mayhem. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 09:14, 29 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Tim Hildebrandt's Flights of Fantasy ==<br />
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I added a cover, some notes and the chase/promo cards to the set {{P|652154|Flights of Fantasy}} [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 16:41, 1 January 2021 (EST)<br />
: Good stuff. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 09:49, 2 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Submission 4909635 ==<br />
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So busy checking titles I missed some author errors - Ann K Schwader (missing a period), Kevin L. O'Brien (missing the initial), Stanley C. Sargent (missing a period). Need to add O'Brien revision to notes as well. Please approve and I'll fix. Thanks ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:17, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
: Talking to yourself? :) Approved, fixed the 3 authors and "Welcome To Goatshead" -> "Welcome to Goatshead". I don't like how the Introduction is named but I need to find a title page before I go fixing it... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:31, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Oh - and I just did all the needed merges :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:34, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Might explain why my edit submission errors out - Python - index error. Intro pre-existed as did one story. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:37, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: Sorry... :) Yeah - I know it was preexisting - I was just saying :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:41, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
::::: PS: And just the usual reminder - use "Import" :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:42, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::: Since when did submissions create a new tab when submitting? If I'd noticed I'd have cancelled the update, fixed it and resubmitted. Or was it switching from Firefox to Edge? I still think of import only for cloning situations - anthology to anthology kind of thing. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:52, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::: Or is simply the submission that errored out. I create too many tabs to for breadcrumbs. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:55, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::: They don't create a new tab unless you do Control+Submit (or whatever button you have in there) and force the browser do to them. :) And yeah - tracking down the stories ID may be annoying but then we do not need to merge all the titles (plus it reduces mistakes in titles and authors names) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:00, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::::: Control + (mouse) Select ==> new tab !! Finally an end to right click and "Open in a new tab". I owe you one. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 12:13, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Starlog ==<br />
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As an active verifier of {{S|33627|Starlog}} issues, please see [[ISFDB:Community_Portal#Starlog|this conversation]] regarding its genre status. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:37, 23 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Took a look, no comment, only verified because the entries existed and I rans across some copies. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 21:38, 23 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Saga of Recluse ==<br />
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You are a PV of at least one volume please follow link to review proposed changes [[User talk:Scifibones #Saga of Recluse maps consolidation|Saga of Recluse maps consolidation]] thanks John<br />
Hi Doug, posted a response to you comment. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 18:05, 25 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Another map consolidation ==<br />
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As a PV of many volumes please follow link to review proposed changes to [[User talk:Scifibones #Magic Kingdom of Landover map consolidation| Magic Kingdom of Landover map consolidation]]. Hopefully you thought the last one was beneficial. John, [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 19:27, 24 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Carolie Bickford-Smith? ==<br />
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Hi, just wondering if the entry is really correct [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?760719 here], since there's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?205441 Coralie Bickford-Smith]. In case it is (which seems a bit more likely than the other way 'round) the two should likely connected per pseudonym, I guess. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:17, 2 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Probably a mis-reading/typing. According to [https://www.amazon.ca/Twenty-Thousand-Leagues-Under-Sea/dp/0241198771 Amazon] it is Coralie Bickford-Smith. I'll submit an edit. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 13:40, 2 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Children of the Fleet ==<br />
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Added a couple Ext ID's to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?630552 Children of the Fleet]. Let me know if you don't want to be bothered with these minor edits. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:01, 8 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
: I like to know about things I can check (an exercise in humility, a lesson in taking care), but things that are the result of research that go in notes or specific fields don't matter. Also don't need to know about things I only verify as transient. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:50, 8 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Islands in the Sky'' artist ==<br />
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Since your verification was transient and from 2015, I don't suppose you still have access to a copy, but just in case... A new editor added an artist credit to {{P|212965|Islands in the Sky}} based on an "RAO" signature at the bottom left of the front cover. I don't see it in the scan, but I may be missing it or it might be cropped. Anyway, if you do still have access to it and could confirm or deny, that would be great. I did accept the submission and also encouraged the editor to do a primary verification. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:19, 9 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:I keep scans of all the books, and my copy does not appear to have what I can recognize as RAO. I'll give him a ping to see if his cover is cut differently or see if I can learn how to spot these things better. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 13:56, 9 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Le pays des fourrures'' ==<br />
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Found [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?851712 a nice one] for one euro ! [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 05:24, 12 August 2021 (EDT).<br />
: With the recent easing of restrictions in Canada / Manitoba, I'm hoping to get back to the University library to finish their collection and the book charity where all kinds of odd things show up. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 08:38, 12 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Glide Path'' printing statement ==<br />
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Hi. I have on hold a submission wanting to clone your transient verified 1965 Dell {{P|250714|Glide Path}} (Arthur C. Clarke) based on his copy's stating "Printed in Canada". I realize your verification is transient and was done 5 years ago, so I'm not terribly hopeful, but do you by any chance still have access to it? If so, would you check and see what it says? There is a permanent PV, so I'm asking him as well. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:43, 21 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
:No real chance - many of my transients are books passing through a charity sale I work for. I do tend to be sensitive to Canadian printings as it is my home, so expect that if I hadn't cloned it to say it was a Canadian printing, it likely wasn't. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 10:16, 21 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Changing Burroughs Books ==<br />
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I have some suggestions for your edit to effectively split Ace publications of Burroughs books. First, I think before you made these edits, you should probably have conferred with all the active verifiers. I don't have an issue with what you're doing, but you're arbitrarily deciding which of the two different printings is represented by the existing publication record and which one gets the new record. I think a better approach would be to see which printing each verifier has. The existing record should probably conform to the earliest verifier's copy. Alternatively, to whichever edition is held by the most verifiers. For my copies, Thuvia and Moon Maid have the 47th St address; Monster Men has the ads for F-156 through F-181. One additional point, this is really something that should have gone on my regular talk page. The other "changes to verified" page is really just for covers and minor changes to the notes. I don't get an automatic notification on the other page like do on the main one. I've put your edits for the three that I've verified on hold. Please reach out to the other verifiers and see if you're noting the correct edition for the existing publication record. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:08, 25 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
:I don't disagree, but would like to offer a defense, although I question your use of "effectively". As to conferring in advance, I've tried that before when was splitting based on my own copies, rather than a reference book. The response ratio was low and slow. And the choice is not arbitrary - I have chosen based on copies I own and have verified. Whichever variant I had already vouched for remained, the reference-only version was cloned. Your other suggestions (earliest, most) would depend on getting responses from everyone, and many are not available. Also changing verifications is in editor's control and immediate, whereas moving text from entry to entry requires moderator intervention. So, while you may disagree, and may enforce your suggestions, it was not unconsidered or arbitrary. And in response to your additional point, your talk page does say "If you're writing to inform me that you've either added a COVER IMAGE or NOTES", and my change was just to the notes. I do not know why you chose to use the technique, or how it works. And finally, I have reached out to all the other 'active' verifiers as I've made the changes. <br />
:So, that said, how would you like me to proceed? I have 4 more potential entries to create in the Ace Books. There are likely a number of Ballantine, but these tend to be straight-forward (no ads, addresses, printing history variants). ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:42, 25 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Let me start off with a bit of history about the cover image and notes pages. It has been the etiquette here to discuss any changes to a verified publication with the primary verifiers prior to making the edit for some time. Several years ago we did not have the note to moderator function, nor did we have fields for external ids. Several editors considered edits to add a missing cover image, or to to add an external ID to the notes, or other trivial matter to the notes to be minor such that they did not wish to be pre-notified before the edit was made. The two innovations that I mentioned makes these pages less necessary, though editors, myself included, have not bothered to take these pages down. The issue with the edits you submitted is that they were not merely a minor addition to the notes, though that is how they are accomplished. In this cases you changing a publication record that referred to a specific edition of a book such that it would refer to a completely different edition. This would be no different than if one had verified the first printing of a book and it was edited to make it into a second printing (assume the date didn't change for this hypothetical). Yes, that would be accomplished by merely updating the notes, but to do so without getting the assent of the verifiers would not be within the agreed etiquette of the project. While I am really not excited about moving a verification because you have determined that the edition that I verified back in 2009 needs to be moved to a new record, I will move my verification if a majority of the other active and responsive verifiers have the other edition. However, none of this should be done until we have everyone's agreement (everyone active) on how to proceed. I'll also note that it's the same number of edits no matter which edition is the existing one and which is the cloned. Keeping the existing to the one that most have already verified, keeps the movement of verifications to a minimum. Anyway, my suggestion is to start by finding out who has what edition. I gave you mine above. Once that's done we can determine whether your proposed edits are appropriate, or should be reversed. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:12, 26 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: An observation - I went back through the notifications I received since 2008 and pretty much all of them were after the fact. A question - if the change had been a simple assertion of publisher's address, or an advertisement (in the context of helping date the entry), an artist credit or the colour of the page edges without the assertion that there was an alternate version, would that warrant prior notification under the old etiquette or actual notification under the new one? The argument being that what you have matches the existing entry and you are just adding more information. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 09:51, 27 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::You'll definitely find examples where proper notification was not given. For the examples you give, it's really up to the verifier, and personally, I wouldn't object to being notified in only in the moderator notes for those. Even simple edits can be a problem though. Another editor recently updated my verified copy of a trade edition of a book, with all the information for the limited edition (all in the notes). If he had checked first, it would have eliminated extra work. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:57, 27 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Changing Burroughs Books (Poll) ==<br />
Based on a new reference book on Ace (and Ballantine) editions of Edgar Rice Burroughs, I have identified several ISFDB entries that should be split. Details first:<br />
* Monster Men - Ads: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44274 Burroughs - 11 titles (F-156 to F-181)] vs [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?854988 Burroughs - 22 titles (F-156 to F 213)] <br />
:Rtrace 1 | Holmesd 2 | GlennMcG 1 <br />
* The Moon Maid - Address: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44315 23 West 47th Street] vs [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?854987 1120 Ave of Americas]<br />
:Rtrace 1 | Holmesd 2 | Spacecow 1 | GlennMcG 2<br />
* Pirates of Venus - Ads: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?26181 9 Burroughs titles] vs. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?854990 22 Burroughs titles] <br />
:Kpulliam | Rtrace 1 | Biomassbob 1| Holmesd 2 | GlennMcG 1<br />
* Tarzan and the Lost Empire - Address: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34557 1120 Avenue of the Americas] vs. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?854989 23 West 47th Street]<br />
:Rtrace 1 | Holmesd 2 | Hifrommike65 1 | '''Spacecow neither (23 West 47th Street)''' | GlennMcG neither (23 West 47th Street)<br />
* Thuvia Maid of Mars - Ads & Address: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?51344 Burroughs (F-156 to F-169), 23 West 47th Street] vs [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?854403 Burroughs (F-156 to F-204), 1120 Ave of Americas]<br />
:Rtrace 1 | Taweiss 1 | Holmesd 1 | GlennMcG 1<br />
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Please indicate which version you have. I have included the names of the verifiers after the titles, please enter your version after your name. I have completed mine (Holmesd) as a model. I would also like to get agreement on how to decide which variant stays with the existing entry (and verifications) and which one is created, possibly necessitating changing PVs. Some options are:<br />
* Earliest verifier wins (as ordered above)<br />
* Most frequent version wins<br />
* Earliest version chronologically wins<br />
* I win (simply because I'm found and entered the changes)<br />
Please feel free to suggest, comment or vote. Two points: by marking your version above, you can prevent having to pull the book(s) twice and there are PV who have not been included as they are no longer active. The floor is open. Thank you. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 23:18, 26 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Done. Can you link the ISFDB record for this new reference work on Burroughs? Thanks. (BTW, you did mean "I've found," right?) [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] 00:15, 27 August 2021 (EDT) (I've or I'd or simply I - ''The moving finger writes; and having writ, moves on'' ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 08:54, 27 August 2021 (EDT))<br />
:: Also Done. Doug's reference book is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?773079 here]. While I'd love to keep my own verifcations intact, I think the fairest course would be most frequent version wins, followed by earliest verifier wins as a tie-breaker. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:41, 27 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Also done (last night). Ok with Ron's resolution. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:54, 27 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::I've approved the edits for Thuvia, since we all have the same edition. For Monster Men, the held edit is the reverse of what we want. For Moon Maid, we'll hopefully get a response from Spacecow soon. I don't believe the edits for remaining two have been submitted yet, but it looks like they could be now. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:42, 28 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::The remaining vote won't change the outcome, so I'll submit the remaining edits and once approved, I'll post links to the new entries on the talk pages of those affected. Thanks to all for participating. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 10:48, 29 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::And for the record, in case this becomes a precedent, my preference for choosing would be that the editor gets to decide. My reasoning is that they can then post links to both entries when notifying PVers and minimize the elapsed time and editor's time. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 10:48, 29 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Done. Sorry for being late. --[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] 14:02, 29 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I've moved my PVs as needed. I see that Holmesd has verified the ones he claimed above, but not yet unverified the others. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 22:06, 2 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Thuvia[,] Maid of Mars ==<br />
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The NEL editions of Thuvia Maid of Mars (per cover) have a mismatch between their publication title (no comma) and their content title (comma). The cover art also has no comma. Could the PVers please let me know whether there is a comma on the title page of their editions. I have created an entry for the first occurrence of Thuvia Maid of Mars (with no comma) [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?854632 here], a 1921 Grosset & Dunlap edition. I'm willing to make the change as it seems to be tricky to get the content of a novel changed, and there is one publication with no PV that I will change if the other two match each other. Thank you for your attention. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:01, 31 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
:[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?288439 1974-12-00 edition] Willem H. / Dirk P Broer<br />
:[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?107721 1975-06-00 edition] Unapersson<br />
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::The comma is present on the titlepage of my edition. Should also be added to the coverart title. Thanks! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 03:18, 1 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Willem's edition is the same as mine, so the comma is also present on the title page of my edition.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 09:48, 1 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Comma present in my edition --[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 12:11, 3 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::Updated submitted. Thanks. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:01, 3 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Chessmen of Mars ==<br />
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I approved your edit to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37004 this edition] of ''The Chessmen of Mars''. The cover scan has both US and Canadian prices listed, so if that cover is correct, I think we can determine the price as US with C$5.99 for Canada. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:52, 3 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
: There are 4 different Canadian printings 20-23) under that ISBN that were printed in Canada and are listed as $4.99 in the catalogue. There is no way to be sure that the Amazon image is for this particular printing. The exchange rate applied on books can be much higher than the money market might suggest. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 15:26, 3 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
::We may want to remove that cover image then, if we're not sure, or at least note that the price in the photo may not reflect the price on the book. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:58, 3 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Opted for the note approach. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 21:51, 3 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Question about Burroughs ==<br />
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Does that book have translations as well or just English language editions? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:21, 15 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Just Ace and Ballantine (well Charter, Tempo and Del Rey as well). They are all English. I don't know if they do non-English. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:23, 15 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Nope, they don't. Oh well :) Have fun with them :) I may decide to add some non-English versions at some point... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:24, 15 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: I think I've got a couple of Hungarian ones in there (that you helped with as I recall). I should probably try to find the others. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:36, 15 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Goodreads and OCLC are good starting points, especially for modern editions. Fantlab for older ones, especially Slavic ones... On the list it goes. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:41, 15 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Asimov's Annotated "Don Juan" ==<br />
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I'm holding your edit to add ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5105114 Asimov's Annotated "Don Juan"]''. I don't think this should be NONFICTION. I'm also not certain that it is eligible. If it is, I would think this would be a CHAPBOOK containing Byron's poem. Although, there are several epic poems that are entered as novels. The problem is that I don't think the poem is speculative. Whether a non-genre item can be entered because of annotations by an above the threshold author is kind of a new question. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:59, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:I don't disagree regarding the NONFICTION vs. CHAPBOOK. I've never read Don Juan. I expect the content to be non-genre, as that was the point of the exercise - adding non-fiction material by the threshold author Isaac Asimov. The [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Asimov.27s_non-fiction request] was non-specific and I've Talk'ed with the sponsor Annie [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Anniemod#Nonfiction_and.2For_non-genre here] and you didn't reject my approach [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Asimov.27s_Annotated_.22Paradise_Lost.22 here] when I suggested ''Paradise Lost'' was non-genre. If you'd like to hold it pending a resolution of the new question, I'm fine with that. I watch most forums so should be able to follow the discussion. My current approach is basically enter the referenced publications with a minimum of research, and will do a second pass to augment with covers, content and external sources. The first pass gives the submissions time to be processed and the second will include pre-existing non-fiction / non-genre. Since ''Paradise Lost'', I've been checking the type of content in the first pass. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 12:17, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: The difference is that Paradise Lost is genre (so its annotated version is also in) while Don Juan is not. So I'd say it is not-eligible (yes, it is on that list - the majority of it IS eligible thus me asking someone to work through them but that does not mean that there are no exceptions). We won't add an annotated Bible either or a book about thermodynamics just because Asimov happened to write an introduction. If the main text of the book is not his (and for annotated works the main text is whatever is being annotated), the book's eligibility will come from the actual author (or book)'s eligibility, not Asimov's IMO. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:21, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Paradise Lost (as such) is not listed under John Milton's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?92197 Bibliography]. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 13:53, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: We miss a lot of books. :) Most likely it was never added because of the same rules that stop us from adding the Bible but as it is not a religious text, it is ours IMO. I think we should have it. It is a thin line sometimes... <br />
::::: I've had enough worms, I don't plan on adding it. Either add it and let me know and I'll finish/create the Asimov entry or tell me you're not going to and I'll cancel the submission. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 16:50, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::: Well, unless we claim Paradise Lost as genre, the annotated version is not eligible. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:19, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: We can open a discussion on the topic and see what everyone else thinks but... If it is decided that it is not really genre for some reason, its annotated version will be also out. <br />
::: What about non-genre collective works in which he contributes an essay? Topic is non-genre, bulk is ineligible, but his contribution is homogenous with the remaining portion? What about his contribution to TV Guide Magazine - would that depend on how genre-related it is? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 13:58, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Non-genre nonfiction is only eligible if it is a book and not just an article somewhere. So "TV Guide Magazine" - unless it is about speculative fiction, it is out; essays in other people's book - unless they are about speculative fiction, they are out (or we will end up adding thousands of books because a genre author wrote an introduction). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:07, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: What if an Arthur Clarke introduction to a non-genre text made reference to how he came to write 2001, A Space Odessey? Would that make it genre? Do we have to read and assess everything even after an author is above a threshold? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 14:02, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: If it is just an article/essay and not a full book, you do not include it UNLESS it is genre. Above threshold does not mean "everything is in" - there is an exception there exactly for these essays. I would not include Clarke's essay in that case quite honestly but it is borderline and if it is about his own book, it is technically eligible. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:07, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::: Presumably referencing point 4 in the ISFDB Policy : '''Included''' which talks about exclusions as opposed to anything in the '''Excluded'''. Gotcha. Back to the salt mines now. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 16:50, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::: Yep. The "Included", point 4. It gives us the threshold stuff (which is why we are adding these but excludes non-genre "non-fiction which was not published as a standalone book" - which cuts all the introductions, magazines articles on all kinds of topics and so on unless the publication is otherwise eligible OR they are about speculative fiction in some way or form. Point 3 does not have the same exclusion so a review of a speculative book or an article tied to a speculative publication is always in but non-genre is a bit more fine-grained. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:19, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Cleaning for the sake of cleaning ==<br />
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Hi Doug, <br />
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See my message [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Dirk_P_Broer#Series:_Arabian_Nights here]. I will be happy to discuss more if needed but let's keep in mind the basic idea of the Wiki cleanup:<br />
* Move the data from the Wiki to the DB (or link to the Wiki if needed)<br />
* Retire the old links which connected wiki to DB based on tags once we have the previous done.<br />
Trying to fix something on these reports by deleting valid data is the opposite of what we want to do. That means that the reports WILL have some uncleanable entries - that's ok. Once we know that all remaining are the uncleanables, we can either retire the report or change it to allow for them or to allow ignoring or something. But losing data so we lose a line on a cleanup report is never the correct way to fix something :) <br />
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PS: And thanks for working on these :) Most of the remaining in some categories are the hard ones that were left over after multiple passes. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:21, 5 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Nonfiction and chapbooks ==<br />
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Chapbooks are only used when there is a fiction element (story, poem or serial). When the whole content is non-fiction, we use NONFICTION regardless if the contents is 10 pages or 1000 pages or if it is unified text or a collection of articles (anthology and collection are also only used when there fiction pieces). I fixed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?860914 this one]. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:25, 5 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Double quotes around href ==<br />
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Hi Doug, <br />
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You may want to check your template for new books: You have <nowiki>""https://asimov.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Books_by_Isaac_Asimov""</nowiki> which then gets into a report because of the "" at the start and the end :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:34, 6 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Cut and past from the Excel spreadsheet, works differently if you copy from the cell or the edit box. Given the number of times I've started/stopped I'm not surprised I missed some. I plan to go through them all again adding external references and images, so will check them all then (along with any other things I notice as I go). Thanks for caring. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 17:13, 6 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: They showed up on the Invalid HREF in Notes reports - so I fixed the ones that were having the problem. This was more of a "you have a glitch in your process somewhere" post and not a "we have problems that need fixing". :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:22, 6 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Ask Isaac Asimov ==<br />
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I approved your edit to add ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?861535 Is Our Planet Warming Up?]''. I made one change to your edit. You had listed "Ask Isaac Asimov" as a publication series. I think this is more properly a title series and I've changed it to reflect that. My evidence is that [https://www.worldcat.org/title/is-our-planet-warming-up/oclc/31737905?referer=br&ht=edition this Worldcat record] shows the book issued by a different publisher as being in the same series. Pub series are almost always under a single publisher. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:47, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Clearly, there were a few other new publications, and I've made the same changes to each. I spot checked a few others and they use the series name across publishers. Thanks again. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:00, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Most bibliographies don't mention the Heinemann editions, certainly not the site I was 'given' to enter these from. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 10:16, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?64606; I added/fixed info for the last book, Ozone Layer, from the copy on Archive.org, and all other books in this series are also on there (including some Heinemann editions) except, oddly, Why Do We Have Different Seasons? --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:06, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Thank you for the assistance. I am working on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Asimov.27s_non-fiction this request] to put the Asimov non-fiction in based on one bibliographic web site. My first step is to simply enter what's on that site, with research only into correct titles and nature of Asimov's contribution. Consulting the many other sources of information is a bit of a juggling act, so I wanted a complete list of titles in ISFDB before delving into them. Besides archive.org, there is the OCLC, Hathi, Google books, Open library, a review website and an annotated bibliography. Let me know if you're interested in working on this more systematically. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 12:20, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Thanks for replying so soon. Open Library and Archive.org are connected; I provided OL link to Ozone Layer's page because a lot of books on the Archive aren't really supposed to be there and get taken down because of copyright complaints, so I rarely provide direct links. Also, Google Books is a nightmare to navigate and get info from and times out if you do too many searches, and Hathitrust usually features public-domain books, which I doubt these are. The Archive copies are available for anyone who's a member; I tried becoming a member a few years ago and couldn't even get the book to open in whatever format they use, so cancelled my membership, but if you know what you're doing you can get to pretty much any page in most books by searching for keywords, page numbers, etc. I've done it many times while editing here. I would recommend using their actual copies as a reference because the 1 book I worked on had a different date than the fandom site the previous date came from. Physical always beats virtual. --[[User:Username|Username]] 12:54, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: My archive.org id works fine and I've used it several times to get page counts that partial views don't often give you. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 13:34, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
(unindent)It may make a bit more sense to slow down on adding these and actually add a bit more details in each on the first pass. Just saying. While just adding them is appreciated, just parsing the list and creating essentially skeleton entries could have been easily scripted. I hope the plan is to go back and actually flesh out these entries a LOT more although I would have preferred more details to start with and not just copy/paste from the list. Especially because I hope you are cross-referencing somewhere to make sure these books exist and are titled exactly like that. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:24, 8 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: My first depth first attempt ended up generating multiple entries and I spent hours flipping back and forth between the edit screens and sources and when I finally submitted them, I had to spend too long merging / varianting to make me want to do another that way. I figured if I got the first one (base title), I could go through the other sources in an organized fashion, figuring out how many editions/printings and which source went with each and do add pub instead of new nonfiction and replicating title information so they'd merge. As for cross-referencing, one frequent place is OCLC, but I'm looking for a match and not figuring out which ones are duplications (Wentworth Co. vs. Wentworth and Co.) or later printings or alternate titles. Yet. It is on my list as it is really the interesting part. I've been noting the archive.org copies where they match the initial edition. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 20:06, 8 October 2021 (EDT) P.S. I'll have to learn how to script things one of these days.<br />
:: Oh, I understand - I am working on my long suffering project to add the Bulgarian SF books so I know how fun it can be with sources. But you are loading a ton of these very quickly - so I was just saying to slow down and do them in smaller batches so we have less "unverified anywhere but in a random list online" books on the board at the same time. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:16, 8 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Dick Sand - Jules Verne ==<br />
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Copy-pasting this here from the main discussion page;<br />
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First time coming across this community as I am struggling down a rabbit hole.<br />
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I picked up a copy of Jules Verne's ''Dick Sand'' at a library sale - however, there is no publishing date on the inside cover, and the only identifying marking is the A.L. Burt Company on the side of the binding, and at the end of the book, ''A. L Burt's Books For Young People'', which is a catalogue of book recommendations. I've been unable to find any copy with the same cover as the one I have on google images.<br />
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In going down the rabbit hole of trying to identify this version, I found on A.L. Burt's publishing page, that you had previously verified a copy of another Verne work. Could you offer any assistance?<br />
Pictures attached of cover and side binding.<br />
[https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/367775379324141568/897652975974117468/image1.jpg]<br />
[https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/367775379324141568/897652975550472252/image0.jpg]<br />
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- Helsinki, 10:07 PM, 10/12/2021<br />
: The Jules Verne Encyclopedia gives "Reprints appeared by the turn of the century from publishers such as A. L. Burt Company in their Home Library, Cornell Series, and other nicely illustrated editions for boys.". It seems to say it was the Frewer translation. My favourite image site [http://www.julesverne.ca/vernebooks/jules-verne_dick-sands-the-boy-captain.html www.julesverne.ca] has four different cover images, but not this one. The cover looks as if it might be a generic boys book, rather than specific to Dick Sands. That's all I have to hand. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 23:51, 12 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Thank you so much! I've done a bit more research on my end, and I've reached out to another person who has written a bit on the publishing company itself; more specifically, the Home Library Series by A. L. Burt. However, there's some incongruity there, in that all the Home Library Series books, as far as I can tell, all have jackets, and blank covers with illustrated side bindings. I'll hopefully have some more information soon. [[User:Helsinki|Helsinki]] 08:05, 13 October 2021 (EDT)Helsinki<br />
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== Mikaël Bourgouin ==<br />
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Your PV (see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?617716 here]) has been varianted to the Mikaël Bourgouin spelling. Please let me know if you have any questions. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:09, 1 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
: A little correction. That became possible due to a bit of a bug - the two names cannot exist at the same time safely on the server at this time. So it will appear as "Mikaël Bourgouin" on this book. I think that the publication note showing the spelling from the book is enough as it is but heads up in case you want to change/add more to it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:24, 4 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== British Library IDs ==<br />
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Careful when copying these, you want the number without "BLL01" at the start. If you are looking at a [http://explore.bl.uk/primo_library/libweb/action/dlDisplay.do?vid=BLVU1&docId=BLL01010265090 record], it is the "System number" and not the "UIN". I fixed it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?868974 here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:58, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:Been a while since I used one. Thanks for the reminder. Going depth first on each one is going to take for...ever. At least it will if they're all this bad. I still have about a dozen foreign language ones to parse. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:08, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Figured - so stopped by with a reminder. Thanks for working on these! You know where I am if you need me for any Central/Eastern European language :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:13, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Feline Wizard / Christopher Stasheff ==<br />
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Would it make sense to change the publication date of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?613816] to unknown? It seems unlikely the 2nd printing happened in the same month as the 1st. (Which I'm PVing). --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 22:07, 22 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:Eminently. I've submitted a change. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 23:47, 22 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Here be monsters / Christopher Stasheff ==<br />
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Could you check out the discussion @ [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Nihonjoe#Here_be_monsters_.2F_Christopher_Stasheff]? Thanks. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:46, 28 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:Seems you're all coming to my side, so nothing to add. No idea why two or why I picked the one I did. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:35, 28 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The People of the Wind / general question about OCLC ==<br />
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I wanted to verify {{P|417100|The People of the Wind}} and I'm wondering how fussy one should be about OCLC when verifying.<br />
This is a first printing but links to what claims to be a [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/905970 tenth printing].<br />
I often find there isn't enough info in worldcat to definitively match an isfdb entry, but I let it go as long as there is nothing contradictory.<br />
Thanks for any guidance on this. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] 16:13, 1 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:Sorry, just saw this - two messages in between checks caught me off guard. I don't do much verifying of OCLC generally, but presume the editions / printings should match. However, your links left me confused. The OCLC is not claiming any particular printing, so should presumably be associated with the earlies 'match'. The link you gave was to the first printing which would be correct. The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?605400 tenth printing] has no reference to the OCLC. I generally don't verify external information when verifying a publication - just confirm that what's in the book and the record match and that additional information is flagged as such (e.g. artist based on signature). It's one editor's view. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 14:27, 25 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:: If I can chime in: What Doug said in general :) <br />
:: For the specific case: Fjh is right - this OCLC listing (ID 905970) is for the 10th printing ("Tenth printing, "First printing, May, 1973." in the details of the OCLC record) and need to be attached to the 10th printing record here, not to the first. So if someone here would like, find the record for the first, swap it into the first printing record and add this OCLC number to the 10th printing record instead. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:39, 25 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::: Didn't scroll far enough to see the 10th. I do however see that there are editions at both the local universities. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 15:26, 25 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:::: Multiple pairs of eyes and so on. :) One thing I had learned is that the separate libraries don't always connect their copies to the correct OCLC record IF there are multiples with the same ISBN (as is the case here). So don't get surprised if your local universities have 3rd and 12th printing instead. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:22, 25 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::::: Just saw them at the top of the list, disappear when I click "This edition only" so no idea what they are listed as. I've also learned to chase down specific library copies when OCLC records don't line up sensibly. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 16:49, 25 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:::::: Thanks everyone for the help. It took a year but I fixed up the OCLC for both {{P|417100|1st}} and {{P|605400|10th}} printings. :) [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 22:26, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Forward the Foundation ==<br />
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I'm planning to submit [[User_talk:Taweiss#Forward_the_Foundation|additions]] to {{p|14419|Forward the Foundation}}. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] 14:41, 2 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for the notice. No concerns. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 15:12, 2 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?510063 Roadside Picnic] ==<br />
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Hi, Doug! There are two thing I'd like to ask on this: <br />
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1) Is it possible that the afterword is identical to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2175231 commentary], that is: does it tell about the genesis of the novel and the Russian history of publication? <br />
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2) The cover photo has been credited to the director Andrei Tarkowski [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?STLKRTBQFQ2021 here] (and a similar [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?395284 movie still] has also been varianted). Maybe you want to do the same for your verified publications? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:53, 22 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:1) Highly likely, that is: yes it does. 2) The movie still you call similar is different, the main character's stance is quite different. I doubt that makes them variants by ISFDB rules, but don't really care. As for crediting to Tarkowski - a) I verified the publication, but did not create it b) there is no mention of that name in the book c) the matching image is from a 1979 movie, but there is no indication it was used as a cover in 1979 and no title notes to indicate why it exists as a parent in a variant or why the producer is considered the artist. It's minefield I don't care to walk into, just for having verified the book. The cover image is (now/soon) mine, so any observations you care to make on that basis are fine, as long they are recorded so they don't suggest that they come from the verification. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 12:09, 22 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Okay, thanks! I'll do the varianting for the afterword, and add the artist and a hopefully sufficient note: Tarkowski is credited in the German edition, and that the still(s) is/are from a movie which came out in 1979 is stated with the French edition (but I think, I'll do it tomorrow, at least I need a break). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:13, 22 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:: And it's not the same still as in the French edition but as used with the German one, I'd think. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:28, 23 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Self-approving ==<br />
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Interested in self-aproving - the new and shiny in between step that just allows you to self approve your submissions? If you decide you are ready for it, I would support it. Post over on the Moderator board to start the process :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:35, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
: Thanks for the vote of confidence. I'll probably wait for the current frenzy to abate while I rethink my Asimov process (currently geared to staggered entry). ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:23, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== National libraries ==<br />
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As you are collecting your own list, here is the list of all the COBISS libraries (it is a South European/Balkans framework and library for libraries - no overall catalog so each is independent but they use the same software and conventions):<br />
* Serbia: https://plus.sr.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search (we have an external ID for it as well)<br />
* Bulgaria: https://plus.bg.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search (we have an external ID for it as well)<br />
* Slovenia: https://plus.si.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search<br />
* Montenegro: https://plus.cg.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search<br />
* North Macedonia: https://plus.mk.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search<br />
* Albania: https://plus.al.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search<br />
* Bosnia: https://plus.bh.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search<br />
* Herzegovina: https://plus.rs.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search (don't ask why it is separate from Bosnia - local stuff...) :) <br />
* Kosovo: https://plus.ks.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search<br />
Some of these have more members than others; all of them have the big national library I think so if you are looking in that language, most books are there. Old Yugoslavian books can be in either of the new states that spawned out. :)<br />
PS: Croatia is missing because they had not joined (yet). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:56, 28 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29953 Shadowkeep] ... ==<br />
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... is Victoria Poyser, according to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?430511 German edition]. You might like to add her. Regards, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:10, 29 January 2022 (EST)<br />
... and I have produced a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2978772 variant], ready for merging or importing. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:12, 29 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:I've updated the entry, notified the (currently active) PVs and am hoping that the addition of the Cover artist will automatically select your canonical variant. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 10:52, 29 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Vingt mille lieues sous les mers ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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We have a lot of books under [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?4475 Le Livre de Poche] and your lonely [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?718746 verified] under "Livre de Poche". And the "Le" is visible at least on the cover as with all of them. How about reuniting it so it is not so lonely? The note already says how it is credited exactly but there is no point leaving it out in the cold that way... What do you think? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:11, 11 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:Until such time as the Publisher gets clarified, I bow to the will of the common thought. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 16:14, 11 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Well, you cite the front cover and it has "Le" in there on that one so tehnically it should have been "Le" unless it is mentioned without it somewhere inside :) Thanks for fixing! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:48, 11 February 2022 (EST)<br />
::: I can re-check the title page, but am quite willing to go with our 'standardization' for now, regardless of what it says inside. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 17:15, 11 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Stout 2 ==<br />
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I corrected one number and added the last of the cards to {{P|520729|William Stout 2}} [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 18:10, 14 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== David Starr, Space Ranger ==<br />
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Would you look at your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?204249 David Starr, Space Ranger] and check the title page to see if it actually shows "David Star: Space Ranger" and "by Isaac Asimov writing as Paul French". I have what appears to be the same publication where those are on the title page but the cover shows "david starr, space ranger". If so, this record needs to be changed to look similar to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?869757 this] with the author changed to Paul French, the title changed, additional notes added, etc. After that, it also needs to be unmerged and then merged into title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?687117 687117]. I'm willing to do any/all of this and PV once all that is done. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:09, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:Now I have it out, I will firstly agree with your assessment and proposed action(s). Some nits - the title page has "David Starr" [over] "Space Ranger", the second line in italics which suggests the sub-title colon separator is warranted. I question a number of the existing titles with a comma, but agree that your approach is correct for this publication. For content, there is an Introduction on page [7], signed "Isaac Asimov" and dated November 1970, although the copyright is 1971 and referred to as a foreword. The first printing of November 1971 suggests that 1971-11-00 is correct. The artist credit is based on a signature on the cover, as noted in the first printing (with a comma). Do I need to pull the other five in the series out when I put this one away? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 08:32, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
::I've contacted Nihonjoe about the rest of the series since he's the only active PV for them so you don't need to pull them out for me. I agree about the "Introduction" and think I should import [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?751153] to include it in this pub. Shall I go ahead and make the changes? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:36, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:::Better thee than me. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 14:09, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Re: The Chemicals of Life: Enzymes · Vitamins · Hormones ==<br />
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I'll fix the erroneous template - an artifact of my collating various sources. I could cancel, fix and re-submit but all the external entries would have to be re-typed. Looking forward to self-administration. Maybe just leave this one? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:20, 21 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Self-approver flag set ==<br />
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The self-approver flag has been set on your ISFDB account. Congratulations!<br />
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From now on, creating a submission will take you to the "Approve/Reject" Web page which will let you approve your own submissions. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:51, 24 February 2022 (EST)<br />
: To all and sundry who are responsible, I thank you. I've not yet chosen a name for my super-persona, although I'm leaning towards [https://discworld.fandom.com/wiki/Gods#Topaxi Topaxi]. :-) ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 12:21, 24 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:: I have some bad news for you - you are stuck with your original name ;) Have fun - and you know where everyone is if you ever need assistance! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:05, 24 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:::: In all my other ISFDB dealings, I'm still Holmesd, but when I push that approve button --- Topaxi !! ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 13:30, 24 February 2022 (EST)<br />
::::: As long as that persona can spot the typos of all your other personas, welcome to the fun to him as well. ;) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:14, 24 February 2022 (EST)<br />
::: Hi, Doug! Congratulations! (And have fun with the new possibilities!) Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:26, 24 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== MacVicar Cover ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:SCRTFTHLST1959.jpg; This is the wrong cover, isn't it? --[[User:Username|Username]] 00:02, 25 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:'Tis and thanks to self-approval, already fixed. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 08:17, 25 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Zoboa ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?262859 Zoboa], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+430 and add the title for the unsigned maps on pages [6]-[8] before I PV? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:42, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
:Sounds reasonable. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 07:59, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Day of the Triffids Artist. ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?286524I Day of the Triffids] I imported the Richard Powers credit from the first Crest edition. [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] 09:34, 30 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Appreciate the effort, but to be clear: The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?250638 first Crest edition] does not have this cover, the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?250639 second Crest edition], is the first with the illustration, is credited to Richard Powers, but does not quote a source, but the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?250640 third Crest edition] does credit Powers in the Notes. I've added it to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1035678 Title record] for the COVERART. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 12:02, 30 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Land That Time Forgot ==<br />
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Hi, You seem to have added the wrong cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?248740 this] edition. Please compare to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?254846 this], which has the correct artist (George Akimoto). ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?297399 This] is the Segrelles-covered edition.) Thanks! [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 19:14, 9 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
:You are correct, and hopefully now the entry is as well. The source has Segelles listed at the end of this entry, but as a separator and I goofed. Thanks for the pointer. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 19:33, 9 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Waif of the Cynthia ==<br />
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Happy New Year, 2021 and 2022!<br><br />
Seaside Library Pocket Edition #659 P{{p|761882}} is not one you have PVerified. <br />
Yet I report:<br><br />
Moments ago I submitted update to use the full publisher name George Munro, and revised your notes to specify that the stated sources give only the short name "Munro". ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5291560 submission])<br><br />
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By the way, your link jv.gilead.org.il now returns Internal Server Error. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:14, 11 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:No problem. Another site has mirrored gilead, just need to prefix with "julesverne.ca/". Also, they have images of the cover and the price is really 20 cents. I'm posting here so I'll remember to put this in after your submission is processed. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:21, 11 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Allan Quatermain [O] by Haggard and La Motte Fouqué ==<br />
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It seems to me your 6th and final paragraph should be the 3rd par, following "1927." If I understand correctly, pages [1]-266 carry the headers "Allan Quatermain" (?beginning p4 with the page numbering) and second series pages [93]-147 carry the headers "The Two Captains" (?beginning p96 with the second series page numbering). Except front matter before first p[1] and the Burt Catalogue as back matter, those are all the printed leaves in the book, 133+28 of them. <br />
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We should have a name for such books, akin to dos-a-dos. I have seen a few: full title page identifies only the first and foremost of contents; Surprise! contents follow their own interior half-title page(s). Some libraries miss the Surprise!, and may report simply 147 pages too. Re the pagination, Burt maybe issued a La Motte Fouqué collection in which "The Two Captains" text spans p[95]-147. <br />
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Did you read "Authorities" by "The writer of "Allan Quatermain." (probably missing one quotation mark)? Perhaps it should entered as ESSAY content. (If you send me its lead sentence, I will carry it sometimes and maybe once when I visit the big library, look for it in ''Allan Quatermain'' eds.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:47, 30 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
: I've touched up the text along the lines you suggested. I've chosen to leave it as an acknowledgement of sources rather than an essay, figuring the notes cover it well enough. As for "Authorities", I've emailed the entire contents to you. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 19:59, 30 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Understanding Physics ==<br />
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{{T|3029968|This}} and {{T|3029969|this}} appear to be the exact same omnibus. Am I missing something? Based on the notes, it seems like the only reason they are separate is to record the two dates? If so, that is not a valid use case. Titles are dated based on their first appearance only. The Barnes and Nobles data can be captured in the title notes or (the best approach) stub records created for the first printings of each edition. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:16, 25 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Out of Time's Abyss ==<br />
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According to The British Edgar Rice Burroughs Society facebook page and [https://www.erbzine.com/mag7/0766.html this website] cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?107621 this] i Dave Pether. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 13:36, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Quote the source in the update and I'll be happy. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 16:12, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Raven Ring ==<br />
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Hi. For {{P|45918}} which I have just PVed, I was confused at the publication date which is listed in my copy as August 1995 whilst the record says December 1995. Checking the edit history, I see that User:Chris_J got this from locus1. Are you happy if I add the following notes:<br />
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* Publication month from locus1<br />
* Stated "First mass market edition: August 1995"<br />
* First printing by numberline<br />
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--[[User:AliHarlow|AliHarlow]] 05:26, 8 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
: I would be happy as it matches my copy. My only sorrow is that I missed it when I verified it and added the image. Thanks. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 17:24, 8 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Once and Future King ==<br />
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Cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?486846 this] is William Hatherell. It's titled The Rescue of Guinevere and dated 1910. See [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Hatherell wikipedia]. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 11:55, 26 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Asimov's Opus 100, Opus 200, Opus 300 ==<br />
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There appear to be duplicate titles for these three collections with one being marked as a COLLECTION and the other NONFICTION.<br />
Are the following title pairs the same?<br />
* {{T|38033}} & {{T|2928818}}<br />
* {{T|39451}} & {{T|2928819}}<br />
* {{T|2905552}} & {{T|2928820}}<br />
The initial Houghton Mifflin publications for each title pair seem the same except for their date.<br />
Also, note that according to Wikipedia these collections contain a mixture of fiction and nonfiction (as well as SF and non-genre works) by Asimov.<br />
--[[User:Riselka|Riselka]] 14:32, 27 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Out of town, will check next week. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 06:53, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:I suspect these pairs are identical and I will be removing the three I added. However, based on the contents, I believe these should be NONFICTION. I'll bring it up on the Community Forum. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 12:33, 10 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Lost Continent ==<br />
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According to a post on the The British Edgar Rice Burroughs Society Facebook page the cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?107541 this] is Bob Fowke. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 13:25, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Land of Hidden Men ==<br />
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Cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?211537 this] is Bob Fowke according to listings I've seen on Biblio and Advanced Book Exchange. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 13:30, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Times Without Number ==<br />
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Doug, I approved the change in publisher [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5401686 here], but not because of the submitter's reason. I found a scanned copy in the internet archive which shows 'Hamlyn Paperbacks' on the title page. I attached the link to the publication record. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:11, 27 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: It was transient, so cannot check my copy. History shows no change to publisher so no idea what it was originally. Can you recall - seems something so obvious should have been there from the beginning. Bluesman and I seem to be the prime source of Canadian editions/printings, I'm just a bit concerned I wasn't notified of such a basic change. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 12:19, 28 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: The publisher was previously 'Hamlyn'. I counseled the editor to seek agreement with such changes in the future. I didn't think you would mind the change since I found the archive scan and your transient verification was so far in the past. If I'm wrong, I apologize. Do you agree with the change? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:44, 28 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: Back then, there were attempts to standardize publishers, so even if/though it said 'Hamlyn Paperbacks', I could see using simply 'Hamlyn', so find this to be perfectly reasonable. If it had been changed from "Canadian Press", I'd have expected questions. So, all is good. Thanks for chatting. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:25, 28 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== John Varley / Titan (map & diagram) ==<br />
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I am drawing your attention to [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#John_Varley_.2F_Titan_.28map_.26_diagram.29 this topic] on the Community Portal which affects a pub that you have PVd. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:29, 26 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?924221 Words of Science and the History Behind Them] ==<br />
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This verified pub. still has 'hence first edition' in its notes - seems to be somewhat strange. Could you take a second look? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:19, 3 December 2022 (EST)<br />
: The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?532529 1974 edition] is a new and revised edition, hence this is the first edition. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 14:32, 4 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:: But there was a 1959 edition - ten years before your verified publication, and by a different publisher: that's what made me think. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 05:44, 6 December 2022 (EST)<br />
::: Houghton Mifflin does hard-cover, Signet is a Canadian paperback reprinter. Thinking rarely hurt anyone. ;-) ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:10, 6 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:::: So, it seems the Signet is a new (second?) edition. Something like "First paperback edition" in the notes would clarify things, or do you disagree? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:05, 6 December 2022 (EST)<br />
::::: I"ve changed the text to original unrevised edition. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 16:42, 6 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Silent Warrior ==<br />
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Cover art for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?47237 this] is not Chris Achilleos. It's Alan M. Clarke. See [https://ifdpublishing.com/product/trilobite-returns-to-helvoran-large-print/ here] --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 06:18, 17 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:● I have added the correct credit to the artist, the web page that the artwork can be found on, and on the artworks’ page, the title of the work. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 15:20, 17 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Baxter - Proxima ==<br />
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Hi, I believe the Afterword [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?554396 here] should be correctly titled "Afterword (Proxima)" - please check. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 14:13, 11 January 2023 (EST)<br />
* That makes two believers, but hardly enough to start a religion. Change made. Thanks. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:08, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Re the line "Afterword dated to first Roc edition, no mention of afterword in earlier editions.". A look [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=Afterword+%28Proxima%29&type=All+Titles here] leads to the earlier Gollancz Afterword [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?422436 2013-09-00]. What am I missing? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:37, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::: What I was missing was going backwards through editions and not seeing it. Once more into the breach. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:49, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::Erm....once more? I think you might have missed deleting the Notes line "Afterword dated to first Roc edition, no mention of afterword in earlier editions." It's never-ending, it seems :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 03:00, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Two Adams titles ==<br />
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Hi Doug, you are PV'd [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?572762 here] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?572761 here]. Looking at this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?200789 Rupert Truman] summary page, would you have any objections to me adding the other 3 names to "The Restaurant at the End of the Universe" & "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" title pages? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:28, 22 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: Yes I would. The help entry for the Cover Art field states "The cover designer (as opposed to the cover artist) is only entered in this field if he or she also did (parts of) the cover art. Otherwise the cover designer can be recorded in the note field.". I try very hard to follow the rules. Putting this on an entries where I am the only verifier makes it look as if I didn't follow the rules. It also generates entries that can be used suggest that the rules should be changed to accommodate demand/desire. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 07:59, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::I completely understand what you're saying and respect your decision. I didn't raise this lightly and not because it looked as though there is precedent with the other titles and therefore everything should be done like that. We are seemingly at the whim of the publishers and how they annotate the crediting. With this whole Picador tranche of Adams' titles my opinion is that they commissioned these 4 people to collaborate together on the whole project; all of them getting together to decide what needed to be photographed and how the elements would all fit to create the final image. On the covers, the publisher separated out the photography credit. It's a question of interpretation, IMHO, and the line between designer and artist is becoming increasingly blurred by increasingly sophisticated digital manipulation. Anyway, enough of that... the straightforward application of 'Design' no, anything else yes (...sort of) is fine and I stick to that, going by what's on a book, it's just these unusual ones that cause problems. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 08:42, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Asimov - I, Robot - by Fawcett Crest ==<br />
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Hello Doug, re your {{P|479102|PV here}}, this is just a heads-up to point to my discussion with Tom [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Taweiss#Asimov_-_I.2C_Robot Taweiss] regarding Fawcett covers and this {{P|205285|1970 printing}}. You might find something there for yours. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 00:54, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ender's Shadow ==<br />
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You {{P|483390|PV}} seems to have a {{P|556122|duplicate}}. I'll submit a request to delete the latter, unless there's a reason not to. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 21:19, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Death To The Brothers Grimm ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5606480; After adding the link I noticed co-editor's name is spelled one way on title page but another way in intro, so I fixed that. When approved a variant will be needed. I also noticed it's spelled a 3rd way on copyright page (Pueschel, no middle initial) while bio is Pueschel, middle initial, so maybe that last one is the preferred name, possibly? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:10, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::As I no longer have access, the archive edition should be taken as gospel. I think the Pueschel is correct, so Pueschal is the variant. The existing entry for him if for a review, so I would give it less weight towards canonical and use Emory B. Pueschel. Then the review needs the variant as well as the anthology (introduction should be okay). I have also changed the name Emory Puschal to Emory Puschal (in error) and make it an alternate to the canonical. You can drop your submission and let me know it you think I've got it right now (self-moderation to the rescue). ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 12:23, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::OK, cancelled, new one with just Archive.org link added, should be approved...soon? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:32, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: I'm confused. I have updated the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?638474 original pub] to match your comments and the archive.org copy. I don't know why you would want to enter another one. I am self-moderating, meaning I can approve my own edits, but can't see or work with yours. My hope was that you would check the pub and see if you believe it to be correct as it stands. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 13:43, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::I cancelled my edit which added link + corrected editor name and made another one which just added the link since you took care of the names; it's already been approved. Done. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:08, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Biography of J. R. R. Tolkien: Architect of Middle Earth ==<br />
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I added some notes and the price to Your pv pub [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?955533 here]. Hope it's correct. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 18:36, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: It is correct. There was a price sticker on the printed price. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:17, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Paris in the Twentieth Century ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?371321; I've been adding links and ID and other stuff to all 4 editions of Verne's novel; in the case of this edition that you PV the cover artist is Mark on copyright page, not Marc, and page count is 222, not 223 (Library of Congress agrees with that). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:07, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I'm too trusting sometimes. Was able to find scanned images from that book and all is true. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:14, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Publication: Thuvia, Maid of Mars ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?286240<p><br />
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Does it actually say "January"? or just "First Four Square edition 1962" --[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] ([[User talk:Spacecow|talk]]) 17:40, 6 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
: If I put it in quotes, it's usually exactly as written, not that I haven't made mistakes. It's buried in one of a half-dozen boxes under the stairs in the basement, any particular reason for asking? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 22:15, 6 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Mine does not say "January", only "First Four Square edition 1962", that's why I was asking. --[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] ([[User talk:Spacecow|talk]]) 15:20, 8 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Twenty minutes and and only hitting my head once on low beams later, I found the copy and you are indeed correct. The other information in quotes is correct, so I don't know where the January came in. Thank you both for checking so carefully and being patient. I've removed the "January" from the pub. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 17:13, 8 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pellucidar ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5715361; A copy was uploaded on Archive.org way back in 2010 but nobody ever added the link so I did and I noticed the artist was wrong so I fixed that, assuming it's the same in your copy. If it's not, I will cancel and just add the link. If it is, after it's approved you'll need to variant to the artist's parent name, right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:51, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I had a load of Burroughs to enter about then. I see that all I did was verify with no updates so probably just missed the initial. The artist name is already a variant so I'm thinking that nothing else will need to be done on that front. When it's done I'll see if the COVERART needs something. P.S. in general, you should link to the publication, not your submission. Not everyone can see submissions. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 22:39, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Saberhagen, Zelazny - The Black Throne ==<br />
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Hello Doug, I'm adding Reginald3 ID# to your PV {{P|36105|pub here}}. As I'm adding a lot of Reg3 ID#s, could you let me know if you want to be notified every time I make those edits? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 13:30, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Also adding Reginald3 ID# here; {{P|43948|The Mask of Loki}}. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 14:02, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Only if there's a discrepancy. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:44, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Escape on Venus / Burroughs ==<br />
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Are these dups? [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?12554 EOV #1] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?855676 EOV #2]<br />
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I have a copy I'd like to PV, but it's not obvious which it applies to. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 02:39, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Based on many other Ballantine Burroughs, I'd suggest that 12554 is printed in the US and 855676 was printed in Canada is the distinction. If yours is Canadian, use that, if US, use the other and add it to the notes. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 10:49, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Hidden Years and Watchmen ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?597949; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5751517; Your PV is transient but in case you can get a copy again note that ISBN in HC is the same as the one you entered for TP, which seems odd, plus page count is different and page numbers weren't entered for your edition. In case you can/want to fix any of those. EDIT: I also added an Archive.org link to your PV of the 2008 $39.99 Moore / Gibbons Watchmen edition; I was so shocked that it was the same edition and not a later printing like so many of the other Watchmen copies on that site that I thought I'd mention it in case you want to give yours another look to fix/add anything since it's been almost 10 years since you PV it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:25, 24 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Re: Hidden Years. The impetus for the entry was a review, with additional information from an Amazon look-inside, as the Notes indicate. Anyone with a copy is free to correct any of the information I entered. Re: Archive.org link - the submission you gave was to a cloning of Hidden Years, not my copy. There was an Archive.org link in the clone. Re: Watchmen - I cannot see any changes on my verified Watchmen publication or any sign of a link to Archive.org, so I do not know what your are referring to. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 14:41, 27 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Because my edit for Watchmen wasn't approved yet, like the 1,200+ other edits I have waiting because the moderator approval system has completely broken down; so when I say I added something that usually means it's pending. I just thought that with a work of such importance to the genre you might want to take another look at it after all these years to add (or fix) anything you may have missed because things have changed a lot here in the 10 years or so since you PV it, but if you don't want to that's up to you. As for Hidden Years I've done so many edits since then that I've forgotten the specifics, so never mind, my edit will be approved sooner or later (probably later) and then you or someone else can decide whether anything needs fixing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:19, 27 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::You had been kind enough to include a link to your submission for Hidden Years that allowed me to follow your arguments. You did not, however, provide a link to the submission for the Watchmen, so I am unable to comment on any differences between my copy and the archive.org one. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:49, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5751519; I'm not really asking you to comment on any differences; all I did was provide an archived link in my Watchmen edit. You as PV actually still own the book, I assume, so I was asking if you wanted to look over the ISFDB page for it again and possibly add or fix anything to this very important work in the genre because since you PV it many years ago a lot of stuff has changed on this site and things that didn't exist back then may exist now. But it's up to you; if you don't want to, it's OK, at least there'll be a link there soon so people can read the book. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:55, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Dolphins of Pern ==<br />
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Hello. Re [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38553 this] publication.<br />
I've come across a quandry. A note on the 8th paperback printing states "'Map courtesy of Christine Levis' on copyright page. Signature "Christina Levis" at bottom right map.".<br />
I have in my hand the 1994 Bantam Books (UK) hardback edition. The map in my edition is indeed titled Ninth Pass Pern but there is no signature anywhere on the map and Christine Levis' name appears nowhere in my publication. Caption for my map has "© 1987 Niels Erickson. Oceanography information by P. Burr Loomis. Ocean current maps by Marilyn Alm" it's a gridded map with numbers horizontally 19 top & bottom left; 17 top & bottom right; and numbers vertically left/right 80 at top and bottom. Can you check your copy to see if the same map or a different one. I've submitted my edits. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 15:24, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Regrettably, [[https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BKTG10644 my verified copy]] was transient and the first edition. I hope you have better luck with Taweiss. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 22:26, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Norton - 'Ware Hawk ==<br />
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Hello Doug, with regard to {{P|24|this pub}}, I've posted to Dirk P Broer's page [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Dirk_P_Broer#Norton_-_.27Ware_Hawk here] and would appreciate your input. Thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 00:12, 10 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Proxima ==<br />
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Hi Doug, <br />
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I am co-verifying [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?554396 the 3rd printing] and wanted to add the start page of the novel itself but the book gave me a pause. The start of the chapter (the word "One") is on [1]. But the few lines on the previous page are actually part of the novel IMO -- which would mean a page count of viii+504 and a starting page of [vii]. What do you think? I am happy to leave it as is and all this as a note as well if you prefer it that way. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:06, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I've not read the book, so I don't know if those few lines are a general dedication or related to the plot. Making it [vii] seems a bit weird, so the note is the way I would go. No problem either way though. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 18:20, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: I read it during my last trip - they are part of the book and tie to the very end of it (and presumably the next book). :) A note is fine. I will add it later. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:44, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Folklore of Diskworld ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1788694; Should it be Discworld? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:17, 22 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Checking. My copy is currently in another province. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 22:22, 22 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::My copy (7th printing) is indeed "Discworld". However, i don't know if the former printings are also false entries or if it was corrected for or up to the 7th. Therefore i'll wait with the edit for what you and the PV of the other earlier printings say and then decide if a title edit or a new title is necessary. [[User:Welo|Welo]] ([[User talk:Welo|talk]]) 07:26, 23 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Searching Archive.org for "preview from the folklore of discworld" found these 2 (both 2008 Corgi first printings), https://archive.org/search?query=%22preview+from+the+folklore+of+discworld%22&sin=TXT, while diskworld finds nothing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:03, 23 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Canadian Hobbit ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=0-458-92030-4&type=ISBN; I just made an edit adding the 4th printing (Magnum '77 w/ same price) but page count is 279, not 278, because last page has no number. Also, ISBN is the same on copyright page and back cover so are they really different on your copy as note here says? If so, I guess someone at the publisher noticed in the 4th or maybe 3rd printing and fixed it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:53, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Chromosomal Code ==<br />
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You are a PV for this title: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37082 I just submitted this edit to moderators: Submitting External ID (Goodreads) & web page 1 (a statement from the author on how he wrote this novel). Cheers. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 07:56, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Map of Chaos ==<br />
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Added cover scan, notes and external IDs to your PVd [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?514198 The Map of Chaos].[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 17:05, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Conan the Triumphant / number line ==<br />
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My copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?7798 Conan the Triumphant] doesn't have a number line. Yours? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 03:06, 4 January 2024 (EST)<br />
: No. First trade printing: October 1983, First mass market printing: April 1985. A TOR Book. Published by ... Cover art by Boris Vallejo. ISBN: 0-812-54242-8. CAN.ED.: 0-812-54243-6. Printed in the United States of America. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 11:07, 4 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== War Chief ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?262667; Made PENDING edit adding archived link; also, made count 215 to include 2 numbered glossary pages. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:29, 7 January 2024 (EST)<br />
: That one is buried deep, I'll take your word for it. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:42, 8 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Robur ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?759625; 2 words in your quoted notes may be misspelled; publiation and l'éition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:36, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
: Likely. I fixed them rather than dig out my images of the those pages. I stand not only corrected, but amazed. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 21:14, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== David Gerrold / The Middle of Nowhere ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44118 The Middle of Nowhere] and will change Pages to 309+[17] and include <br />
"Starhunt (excerpt)" on page [313]. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:28, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== De la Terre à la Lune: Trajet direct en quatre-vingt-dix-sept heures ==<br />
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A quick question about your transient-verified [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?750869 ''De la Terre à la Lune: Trajet direct en quatre-vingt-dix-sept heures'']. The language of the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2663564 contained NOVEL title] is current set to "English". Should it be set to "French" instead? TIA. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:26, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
: And a quick fix has been made. In my defense, it was pre-self moderated and two different moderators missed it. :0 ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:52, 25 March 2024 (EDT)</div>
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|Title=Ingathering: The Complete People Stories<br />
|Edition=NESFA Press / SFBC 1995 hc<br />
|Pub=NGTHRNGTHC1995<br />
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<p>Holmesd: /* ISFDB:Verification requests */ howzabout</p>
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== PVR ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=rosenkr&type=Name; Palie von is actually Palle von per contents page photo online, novel is not genre from what I can gather online, Palle Rosenkrantz story is not genre per online reviews, neither really belong here, didn't notice this until I'd already entered bio info for Rosenkrantz, cancelled my edit, I think both names should be deleted, probably other contents from 1960 omnibus and Martin Edwards anthology are not genre and should be removed, too (there's a note in the anthology's record mentioning this). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:30, 2 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Rageot ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=rageot&type=Publisher; I have a PENDING edit fixing/adding stuff re: someone else's recent edit for a book published by Rageot and I noticed ISFDB has records for that name which was on the title page and the longer name, Rageot-Éditeur, which was on the copyright page. So really all books should probably be merged under one name. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:30, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Science Fictional Solar System ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?32159; The UK HC & book club editions say Martin H. Greenberg on their cover, 2 eBay copies of book club don't show title page, does anyone own either edition who can verify what his name is on title page? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:28, 4 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Brad Steiger Stories ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5805263; I didn't change the dates of Steiger's stories but I think they're both wrong. "Detroit", being a variant title, should have the date of this anthology, I think, and "Huntsman" should have a 1966 date as copyright page says. Am I right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:01, 5 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Yes, titles are dated per first appearance of that form of the title. Updates made. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:51, 5 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Amazon WEBP Images ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_frontimage&O_2=contains&TERM_2=w%2Fwebp&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication]; After I replaced one a few days ago and another one today I did a search and it seems most (all?) of the images with the weird URL Amazon switched to for a while are now broken. Is there a batch fix or will they have to be changed one by one (there's several hundred)? Most are not PV. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:09, 5 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I see what you mean. There are 806 affected publication records, 30 of them primary-verified. I could create a script to change the URLs of the unverified pubs, then we could ask the primary verifiers to check their pubs. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:25, 5 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: I'm sure you've already got something that could be repurposed for this, but if not:<br />
:: https://github.com/JohnSmithDev/ISFDB-Tools/blob/master/tools/submit_edits_via_api.py<br />
:: You would need to update get_bad_pub_records() to pick up the affected records - plus any additional check to not pick up verified pubs - and the regex to fix them in the first line of generate_pubdate_imagefix()<br />
:: Then 'uncomment' the PUB_COVER_EDITS code in the __main__ section. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 05:01, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: There have been quite a few scripts to mass change URL structures over the years, e.g. [https://sourceforge.net/p/isfdb/code-svn/HEAD/tree/trunk/scripts/amazon_urls_to_https.py this one from 2022]. I plan to use it as a template later today. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:17, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::I was adding an Amazon author image for Maggie Allen and the URL is weird so I did a search, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=author_image&O_1=contains&TERM_1=m.media-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FW&C=AND&USE_2=author_canonical&O_2=exact&TERM_2=&USE_3=author_canonical&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=author_canonical&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=author_canonical&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=author_canonical&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=author_canonical&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=author_canonical&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=author_canonical&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=author_canonical&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=author_canonical&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Author], and these are also broken. I don't know if the batch will fix these, too. EDIT: This URL was fine, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5806113, which I got by searching for Amazon and the author's name in Google Images; however, on the author's Amazon page, https://www.amazon.ca/-/fr/Maggie-Allen/e/B00DXZNLOG, the URL is the broken one. I don't know what's up with all this but I'm sure someone else does. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:13, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: I have now manually fixed the "WEBP" author URLs. All but 2 were broken. Removing the "WEBP" part fixed all of them, although a few were "S" images, so they will be caught by the cleanup reports when they next run. I think it's safe to say that we should be able to removed "WEBP" from the affected cover scans programmatically. I'll work on it later today. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:13, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::Thanks. I added an image to Maxwell Alexander Drake's record and of the 4 images on his Amazon page (I think at least some people must be aware by now that only certain regional Amazon pages display all author images at the moment in the scroll bar or whatever it's called, Amazon.com and many others just show the main photo, and they seem to be getting fewer and fewer as time goes by; I find Amazon Canada and Amazon France are still good) 2 are WEBP and 2 are regular; it figures that the one I had to use wasn't as good as the others. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:33, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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=== Outcome -- WEBP images converted ===<br />
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All 806 "WEBP" images have been converted. Please let me know if you come across any issues. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:17, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== St. Martin's The Light Fantastic ==<br />
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https://colinsmythe.co.uk/terry-pratchett/discworld/discworld-novels/light-fantastic/; I was doing some edits for the few St. Martin's editions of Terry Pratchett's novels and I think this last one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?43074, doesn't exist. It should probably get the unpublished code for the date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:46, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Untouched by Human Hands ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5806259; Actual price was a bit different than what Tuck supposedly said but since Bluesman is gone if anyone else has the Tuck book and it really says 12/- then a note about difference on flap can be added after my edit is approved. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:38, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
: There is a price shown here: www.ebay.com/itm/115568098201 [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 22:07, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Faerie Tale ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=faerie-tale&sort=title&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22&and%5B%5D=firstTitle%3AF; While doing an edit for Raymond E. Feist (adding a note that he was born Gonzales, not Feist, and fixing his day of birth) I saw that, despite the dozens of editions of his great horror/fantasy novel Faerie Tale the only one archived is a Doubleday Book-of-the-Month Club edition which isn't on ISFDB! Open Library claims there are 2 previewable copies but whichever edition the other one was, it's gone now. So if anyone has one of those club indexes or wherever people get the dates/ID # from, you may want to enter this edition so at least there'll be one copy people can read easily. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:26, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:I've added the BOMC edition [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?978095 here]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:23, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Alan Burns ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?18958; I added cover image to Dreamerika a while ago and today added archived link to US Babel edition; SFE says "Babel" in New Worlds is an excerpt so I've added that word to the title. The issue now is SFE thinks all the other short stories are by a different Alan Burns (and probably the poems and essay, too). Does anyone know for sure? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:31, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Connecting books in an unnamed series ==<br />
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I'm currently adding two books where one is the sequel to the other, yet they are not part of a named series. Should I still add series to them (and if so what should I call it), or should I only make a not about it in the title note? /[[User:Lokal Profil|Lokal]][[Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil|_]][[:User talk:Lokal Profil|Profil]] 14:34, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:What are the books? Can you provide a link to them? Or have you not added them yet? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:52, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: One thing that we often do when two or more titles -- or two or more series -- are part of a larger, unnamed, setting is create a new series (or super-series) and use the word "universe" in its name. One example would be the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?42997 Baba Yaga Universe]. It contains 2 sub-series and one collection. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:05, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::: This is only two books {{t|3244057|Domens dag}} and {{t|978127|Råttorna}}. Calling it a universe feels a bit like giving it more credit than it is due =) /[[User:Lokal Profil|Lokal]][[Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil|_]][[:User talk:Lokal Profil|Profil]] 18:01, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: Hi! If you can't find a naming of the series or a general theme, I'd suggest to use in this case the title of the first novel, like it was done for the two novels in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?34751 this series]. (The second link you provided leads one to a piece of interior art ;-) ) Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:48, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::: If the two novels do share the same main character, there'd be the additional possibility to name the series after it, like it was done [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?19161 here]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:10, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::: Thanks for the many suggestions! I'll go with the ''title of the first novel'' suggestion as the main characters are not given a last name (if memory serves) and Peter & Anna is way to generic =). Appologies for the erroneous second link (that was the pub-id not the title-id), the intended one is {{t|3244058|Råttorna}}. /[[User:Lokal Profil|Lokal]][[Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil|_]][[:User talk:Lokal Profil|Profil]] 16:53, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pied Pipers ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1428017; I left Chavey a message about a city missing in their note about imprint on title page of Routledge edition (which I'd just added an Archive.org link to) but later saw that there was a more pressing problem; the title was wrong, missing a word and misspelling another. I later added another note about Warne edition also likely being wrong based on cover image. Looking further, I think the other 2 editions also have the wrong title; Rand McNally 1937 edition (Chavey's note says 1927, that may be yet another mistake) is on Archive.org and it says The Pied Piper of Hamelin on title page while there's no edit history for Harrap edition but notes are in Chavey's style. Problem is Chavey hasn't responded to any messages since May of last year. Any suggestions? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:28, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Their last activity in the database was on 2023-11-04, so only a few days ago. I suggest giving it a little more time for them to respond to the questions. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:33, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Geta ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?17102; I added a link to 1984-00-00 in a PENDING edit; 1985 2nd printing was edited by Hauck, hater of ISFDB, while RTrace cloned the 1984-06-00 but that date can't be right because the price is higher than 1985. There are 2 identical notes about name of publisher in 1984-00-00 and 1985 but neither was edited by the same person/people so some cloning/copying happened there, too. So publisher should either be Granada or Panther / Granada for all 3 and 1984-06-00 should either have a new date or all 0's for unknown; it also says TP, not PB, and likely has the same cover as the others so cover artist should be imported. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:48, 9 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Arthur Barker Edition of The Restaurant at the End of the Universe ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5809217; No idea why that obviously incorrect cover artist data was approved by a mod but I removed Kay and the word "Illustrations" from Litherland's credit. I assume the Amazon cover is the correct one because there's a few non-Amazon sites that show the same cover for that ISBN but the problem is Open Library has a 1985 date for the Arthur Barker edition (the only one out of 85 editions) but editor here has 1980 and ISFDB page for that publisher ends in 1980. This edition seems rare so if anyone owns it can you check to make sure date, price, page count (Open Library says 188, not 187), etc. are correct? I left PV a message but they don't seem to answer any questions. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:01, 10 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Letter From A Teddy Bear On ? ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:J-Sun#Letter_from_a_Teddy_Bear_on_Veteran.27s_Day; I doubt this editor will respond so if anyone else wants to say what the right way to do this is, chime in. I could have sworn this discussion took place much earlier but I see it was only last December and yet I added some weird image to my message, which I don't do, so not sure why I did that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:46, 10 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Varianted. Most common version used as parent per standard. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:26, 10 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Who Is Lewis Pinder? ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?976273; MLB recently PV Signet PB and I just replaced faded Amazon cover with nice Bookscans cover but I can't find a cover for the HC anywhere. If anyone else can, can you upload it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:29, 10 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Request to add German fantastic literature price: ==<br />
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Hi all, <br />
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after adding the German "DSFP" award, I would like to add now the "Phantastikpreis der Stadt Wetzlar", another German fantastic price:<br />
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Translation: The “Fantasy Prize of the City of Wetzlar” has been awarded since 1983. The prize is a literary prize endowed with 4,000 euros and is awarded annually for a novel. The prize honors works from all types of fantasy, from magical realism to fantasy science fiction, utopia and horror. Particular emphasis is placed on the fact that the fantastic element - similar to Goethe's “Magician's Apprentice” - also allows real life connections to appear in a new light. The prize is awarded by the city of Wetzlar in cooperation with the Wetzlar Fantastic Library. The jury consists of literary experts from Wetzlar and the surrounding area who have a close connection to fantastic literature.<br />
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Source (in German): https://www.phantastik.eu/ausschreibungen-und-preise/phantastikpreis-der-stadt-wetzlar.html<br />
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Forgot to sign it: [[User:Jannis|Jannis]] ([[User talk:Jannis|talk]]) 08:39, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I do think it should be perfectly eligible. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:06, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: I agree that it appears to be eligible. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:41, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Hearing no objection, I have created a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?115 new Award Type] and an Award Category for this prize. Please let me know if there are any issues with the new records, otherwise have fun entering the awards :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:54, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: Thats great! Thanks a lot Ahasuerus, I will add the books & authors of last winners of this price, and later link the price to their works. [[User:Jannis|Jannis]] ([[User talk:Jannis|talk]]) 05:16, 18 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pro Se ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=pro+se&type=Publisher; If anyone knows whether these are all by the same publisher some altering to bring them under the same publisher name would be helpful. They publish pulp-style stuff in all genres; neither of the books on Archive.org, https://archive.org/search?query=pro-se-press&and%5B%5D=year%3A%222016%22, are on ISFDB, Sushi Bar... likely has some genre-related stories, probably other eligible books by them out there. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:46, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: If memory serves, I used Amazon's Look Inside to look into "Pro Se" publishers/publication series at one point. Their books used a number of different forms of attribution and I couldn't figure out the logic behind it. Someone would need to do more digging to sort it all out. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:55, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Cyrano and Jules Verne ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=airborne+alan-c; I added 2 anthologies recently, imported genre stories into Skyriders in a PENDING edit, imported 3 genre stories (Kipling, T. L. Thomas, O'Flaherty) into Airborne but there's a couple of ancient excerpts (?) that are a problem. The Cyrano title doesn't match the one on ISFDB and there is no such title by Verne here. Searching for Verne title online only got 1 hit, https://www.mwbooks.ie/pages/books/307419/alan-c-jenkins/airborne-compiled-by-alan-c-jenkins, an Irish bookseller's page for Airborne. Typing a line of text from Verne's story got nothing online. I doubt this book found some long-lost Verne story so I assume it's just a novel excerpt. Does anyone know? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:41, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Anna's Archive has a downloadable copy. According to the Acknowledgements page, the Cyrano title is a "passage from Other Worlds by Cyrano de Bergerac, translated by Geoffrey Strachan". The Verne title is a "passage from ''From the Earth to the Moon'' by Jules Verne, translated by Jacqueline Baldick". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:15, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: The submission has been approved. The two titles discussed above have been added. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:38, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bellows ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?97465; I added FantLab photo in a PENDING edit, findagrave.com says Jeffrey, not Jeffery, and has "Kent" in quotes like it's a nickname but the grave says Kent Bellows, and what does the G. stand for? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:24, 14 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bizarrocast ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=title_webpage&O_1=contains&TERM_1=bizarrocast&C=AND&USE_2=title_title&O_2=exact&TERM_2=&USE_3=title_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=title_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=title_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=title_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=title_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=title_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=title_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=title_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=title_copyright&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Title]; I was going through the old horror webzine Rosewort, adding links (yes, I found ANOTHER D. F. Lewis story, "Aspen"), and the Ken Goldman story "Going Potty" had a dead link. Then I noticed that the Bizarrocast link in that story's record leads to a log-on page because the original site is gone, but the archived site hardly has any archived pages; I tried one from 2013, "How the Isle of Cats Got Its Name", and after waiting a long time for the page to load all I saw was Arabic (?) writing so even that seems to have been captured after the site was already dead. My link above searched for all title webpages with Bizarrocast in their URL and there's quite a few so if anyone knows whether there's a new site, say here. Otherwise, all those links should probably be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:16, 14 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Book storage and moving boxes ==<br />
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When I packed my book collection for an interstate move last year, I mostly used the 1 cubic-foot book boxes sold by U-Haul. There were a total of about 135 boxes. I have just finished unpacking the last of them and no damage occurred to any of the books. I particularly liked that they stacked nicely and were easy to hold onto while moving them around. They were especially useful for moving and storing paperbacks. Since there always a need to put some books into storage, I recommend using these boxes. Cheers! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 17:16, 14 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bloodlust and Fangers ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?118655; Today I was adding links to any stories on the old Bloodlust-UK horror site that are on ISFDB and they seem to have redesigned the site some time after 2005 because there were a couple of links that had different URL's for the same stories. I did get quite a few links, including at least one that was published earlier on Bloodlust than what the note on ISFDB says and two by the same author that were supposedly original to one of her collections but were actually published on Bloodlust more than 10 years earlier, and was feeling pretty good about all that until tonight when I decided to see if the authors who got links had any other stories online nowadays, non-archived, and while looking for stories by Denise Sodaro this site came up, https://fangersinc.wordpress.com/tag/short-stories/, where they dumped most/all of the original site's stories without any note that I can see that these stories are nearly 2 decades old. I nearly cried at how much faster I could have added links from Fangers instead of trawling through the old site. Anyway, it seems they were collected in some recent Fangers anthologies; I feel bad for people paying money for these old stories that mostly shouldn't have been published the first time when online editors were hungry for content and would accept almost anything. However, there is one thing that could lead to something interesting; this guy, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?118655, seems to have plagiarized at least one story, "Jumpers", which I added a note to some time ago with an explanation of who actually wrote the story. His other ISFDB story is in an anthology that I read via Interlibrary Loan years before I was an editor here and I can't remember a word of it so no way to tell if that's original. Bloodlust had a story by Michael Steinberg, "Life, or Something Like It", but this Fangers site calls him M. O. Steinberg even though he was already using the M. O. name back when the original site was active so why he went by Michael is anyone's guess. I typed a line of text from "Life..." on Google but got no hits so I'm not sure if it's original or another plagiarism. So if anyone owns the anthology Dreaming of Angels and can read Steinberg's story or reads "Life..." and recognizes it as being by someone else, can you let us know? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:11, 16 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Mark Powers - two different people ==<br />
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Currently for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?22424 this author] we have a bunch of UK juvenile titles, and some Jim Butcher/Dresden Files comics. I'm reasonably sure these are two different people: [https://www.theshawagency.co.uk/mark-powers here] is the agency page for the former, and [https://www.simonandschuster.com/authors/Mark-Powers/202304451 here] a publisher page for the latter, with neither page acknowledging the other work.<br />
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Unless anyone objects, I propose to split these off, probably making the second one "Mark Powers (comics)" unless there are better suggestions. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 13:54, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:I agree. [https://dresdenfiles.fandom.com/wiki/Mark_Powers This] is a page showing a pic of the ''Dresden'' comics writer. Definitely not the person shown in the two Twitter/X profiles on our author page. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:00, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:: The Dresden Files comics should now all be switched over to the new author record. Thanks for confirmation! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:59, 19 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Twitter changed to "X/Twitter" ==<br />
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I am seeing more and more references to "X" instead of "Twitter". I have changed the way third party links appear on bibliographic pages from "Twitter" to "X/Twitter" to reflect this. It's a trivial change, so we can always tweak it again if the name changes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:46, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Darrell Awards ==<br />
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https://web.archive.org/web/20120908050157/http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~timgatewood/sf/darrell/DarrellWinners_Categories_96to12.pdf; I came across that while looking for something else entirely and since some here like entering new awards and this doesn't seem to be on ISFDB I thought I'd link it in case anyone wants to enter it if it's eligible. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:49, 19 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Final Frontier Cover ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?13334; I noticed there was a Greg and Gregory Brodeur here, made Gregory an alternate, made variant of one of his essays and merged 3 into 1 for the other essay (a variant will need to be made of that result after, I think), noticed 1st printing of Final Frontier '88 US PB was on Archive.org so added a link, finally noticed BORIS VALLEJO is credited for a foreign edition but not for any of the others even though they have the same art, Bluesman who was PV of 2 editions is long gone so if active PV of US PB agree with PV, Welo, that added art (they didn't mention where they got it in their notes) then cover credit can be added to all with date of US PB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:00, 19 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:The German translation states Boris Vallejo as cover artist on the copyright page. But, i wouldn't take this as given for every other release without another source to verify. At the time the german publishers weren't the reliablest for infos on the copyright pages, they had sometimes wrong infos (copied from previous pubs, but not correct). I've stumbled over a few wrong ones over time. [[User:Welo|Welo]] ([[User talk:Welo|talk]]) 12:31, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== SFWA Bulletin ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?951170; I was doing Bruce McAllister edits and there's 1 Bruce McAllaster credit here (along with a correct spelling elsewhere in it) but SFWA.org says McAllister so probably a misprint by PV. Also, Gatherng should be Gathering, Nores should be Notes, etc. If anyone can see a real copy all of those can probably be fixed. I assume there are many other mistakes in the other issues of this bulletin since the same PV worked on most/all of them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:11, 20 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Book of Ballads Dates ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Ofearna#Book_of_Ballads; Does anyone agree with me that the 2004 contents should be November instead of October? They say they're original to this book in their notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:39, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Lecrivain ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=the+last+swan+prince&type=All+Titles; 2017 zine has no period after the C in her name, 2020 webzine does, story's title page will need to be seen to determine if 2017 really doesn't have it, then there should be a merge or a variant. Her other story in that zine doesn't have a period, either, according to ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:25, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ormazoids ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5816628; Since PV is deceased if anyone wants to add/fix anything mentioned in my note to mod, feel free. EDIT: Seems logical UK edition would have been first for a Who book so title date should probably be 1986-00-00 unless anyone can determine exact UK date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:56, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Patterns of the Fantastic II ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=%22patterns+of+the+fantastic%22&sort=title; Copyright page says December 1984, title page says 1986 in roman numerals, ISFDB says May 1985. If anyone knows what's the deal here they may want to add the link where appropriate and fix dates if needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:22, 23 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:The title page date is on a sticker that has been applied after printing. That sticker also has "Borgo Press". So it could be Borgo was selling copies for Starmont House or they made a photographic reprint and stuck their sticker on it. May 1985 is the date Locus1 has so that might have been the source for the {{P|287993|ISFDB record}}. Rtrace has secondary verified it with Clute/Nicholls and Reginald3. I will ping him to see if either of those might has some info to shed light on the situation. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:53, 23 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::Neither {{Reginald3}} nor Clute/Nicholls mention Borgo. The former has a 1985 date while the latter has 1984. {{P|283739|Chalker/Owings}} has the 1984 date. {{P|320234|BP 300}} has 1985. This is probably due to the difference between copyright and publication dates. Also from ''BP 300'', Borgo acquired Starmont in March 1993 after having purchased Starmont's Contemporary Writers Series in 1991. If I had to guess, the sticker is likely a cancel of the Starmont publisher and perhaps the 1986 date is due to a typo (VI vs IV). With that scenario, the sticker was likely added sometime after 1993 when Borgo purchased Starmont. Chalker/Owings does note that the purchase included Starmont's back stock. Regardless, if we decided to add a new publication record for the Borgo cancel of Starmont, I don't think we can date it exactly and I'd recommend using the unknown date. Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:13, 23 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::I made the following changes:<br />
:::*Updated the Starmont House editions with the stated publication date as per ISFDB standards. I also included a pub note on the secondary source dates and a statement that it was likely not out until after the stated publication date.<br />
:::*Cloned an undated Borgo Press edition with a statement regarding Borgo Press buying Starmont House backstock & the uncertainty of the Roman numeral date's meaning.<br />
:::*Added the contents.<br />
:::--&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:21, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Philip K. Dick Reader ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1365790; I cloned an 11th printing and publisher is Citadel+Kensington like 2016 but cover is same as 1997 which says publisher is Citadel Twilight; does anyone own a 1st printing who can say whether it says Twilight or if 1997 should be changed to Kensington? Twilight books had a certain bluish look about their covers and they say Twilight on the cover which this book doesn't. Per note on ISFDB Twilight ended in 2000 so it's possible it was a Twilight book and it was only mentioned inside. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:46, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== ASIN ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?966441; Clicking US ASIN leads to a different magazine; I don't know if that happens often or not but I thought I'd mention it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:07, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: There are two ISFDB records sharing the same ASIN, "B0CDQWPL1Z":<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?966441 Dark Hall Press Cosmic Horror Anthology]<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?966438 Savage Realms Monthly, August 2023]<br />
: Their respective Edit Histories show that the 2 pubs were manually entered by the same editor on the same day. Most likely it was a copy-and-paste error. I have corrected the erroneous ASIN; thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:17, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Salt Is Not For Slaves ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=salt+is&type=All+Titles; I can't find a copy of 1931 Ghost Stories issue where it says E. W. supposedly, can confirm it's G. W. in Book of the Living Dead (added link in a PENDING edit from OL-only no-search copy). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:19, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Rustin Parr ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36131; Title was entered in 2011, I've made 3 edits (one in each of the last 3 years), and only today noticed the title was wrong; it's Confession, not Confessions. Fixed that in a PENDING edit and while doing so noticed there are 2 foreign editions, https://archive.org/search?query=%22rustin+parr%22+stern&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=year%3A%222000%22, in case anyone fluent wants to enter those. I also have an edit adding UK Boxtree 4th printing of The Blair Witch Project: A Dossier by the same author; there is a HC book club (?) edition of the Onyx edition on Archive.org but I didn't bother with that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:29, 26 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Khaw & Kadrey's ''The Dead Take the A Train'' ==<br />
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Re. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3070028 this title], I propose deleting the pub dated 2022-09-27. That was the original publication date, which was pushed back a full year. I have added this detail to the notes for actual pub when it was released (2023-10-03), so the earlier pub record is now redundant. Any objections from anyone? [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 07:43, 27 November 2023 (EST)<br />
: Would it not be better to make [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Date the pub date 8888-00-00], rather than deleting the record? That way the ISBN is still in the database in case anyone else tries adding it in future? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 08:36, 27 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::Yeah, that sounds sensible. Done. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 15:49, 27 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== ayaz daryl nielsen ==<br />
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Are there any objections to using lowercase for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?162023 Ayaz Daryl Nielsen]. I have never seen him credited any other way. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:01, 27 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Hearing no objections, the change has been made. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:31, 3 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Eichner ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=m.+eichner&type=Name; While adding links and other stuff to E. Everett Evans books I noticed Eichner shows up twice as an illustrator and I assume those are the same people which would mean a variant is needed. Also, Eichner's birth date is off by 10 days from Wikipedia and most sites seem to agree it's 9, not 19, so the day may need changing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:38, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Disabling the Synopsis field for Variant Titles ==<br />
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Back in April 2022 "Make This a Variant Title" [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive52#Make_Variant_and_Synopsis_data 2022-04-30 was modified] to move VTs' Synopsis data to their parent titles. A new cleanup report, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?328 Variant Title with Synopsis Data], was created at the same time.<br />
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The original plan was to:<br />
* clean up any titles found by this cleanup report (1,600+ at the time)<br />
* confirm that there were no scenarios where a VT needed to have Synopsis data<br />
* change "Edit Title" to disable the Synopsis field for VTs<br />
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The first step was never completed, so the process stalled. I have now processed/corrected around 50 (out of 1546) affected title record. It is as we suspected. Most just needed their synopsis data to be moved to the parent titles. Some needed two synopsis entries reconciled. A few were in error, e.g. there was Notes data in the Synopsis field or vice versa. A few Synopsis values were using a language other than English, which is explicitly not allowed in Help.<br />
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Based on the above, I think it's safe to change the software to disallow entering Synopsis data for VTs. If there are no objections, I plan to work on it over the next few days. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:03, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Will this block adding a synopsis to a serial title? In at least [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3129077 this case], each of the serial titles is a separate novella that could justifiably have its own synopsis. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 21:57, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: That's right, the proposed change would prevent Synopsis values from being added to SERIAL titles. I don't think it should cause significant issues since semi-standalone SERIALs are rare and could be handled the way we handled {{A|George Lowther}}'s [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?16699 ''Superman'']:<br />
::* Chapters 1-2 describe Superman's planet of origin, Krypton. Chapters 3-5 deal with Clark Kent's childhood with his adoptive parents. In chapter 6, Clark goes to Metropolis and gets a job with the Daily Planet. The remaining eleven chapters deal with a mystery involving ghost ships and Nazi spies.<br />
:: [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:53, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::That's what I thought. Hmmm. I don't think that would work in the case of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3129077 Last Stand] since each of the installments (Episodes) are approx. 20,000 word novellas which have differing focus characters within the pseudo-TV series framework and the summaries should be more than a couple of words each. I'm not convinced it is truly a serial anyway. [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Anniemod Anniemod] set this up initially and I've been following suit since. I could just as well see this as a series called <i>Last Stand</i> with the individual novellas as normal Chapbooks/Shortfiction titles. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 12:52, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: If they have different focus characters and different plots requiring different synopses, then I agree that they sound more like linked stories than a serialization. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:09, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::I'm the only PV for these. On deeper examination, I believe they are linked stories, not serials. I'm going toss a note to Annie and then convert these from serials to shortfiction, unvarianting the titles, and grouping them under the series <i>Last Stand</i>. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:37, 3 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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=== Outcome: Software has been changed ===<br />
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Hearing no further objections, I have changed "Edit Title" to disallow entering Synopsis data for variant titles. [[Template:TitleFields:Synopsis]] has been updated as follows:<br />
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* A synopsis can only be entered for canonical titles. The software won't let you add a Synopsis to a variant title.<br />
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If you come across any issues, please let me know. All that's left is cleaning up the remaining 1400+ VTs which still have Synopsis values. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:15, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: There was a minor bug in the associated cleanup report. It was causing three valid title records to appear on the report. The bug has been fixed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:54, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Nightly cleanup reports fixed ==<br />
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It turns out that the recent addition of a Notes template with an apostrophe in its name -- [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Using_Templates_and_HTML_in_Note_Fields "Achevé D’Imprimer"] -- broke the automated nightly process which regenerates cleanup reports. The software was fixed a few minutes ago and everything should be back to normal tomorrow morning. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:12, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== New superseries for Glynn Stewart's Castle Federation ==<br />
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Would anyone object if I create a new superseries named <i>Castle Federation Universe</i> which would have the existing series [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?42767 Castle Federation] as subseries #1 and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?65374 Dakotan Confederacy] as subseries #2? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 18:14, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: No objection -- book covers and Goodreads reviews confirm it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:09, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Done. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 21:52, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Julie Novakova/Nováková ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?195102 The page for this author] has "Novakova" in her name, and states '''uses accentless spelling of her surname for foreign publications.'''. However I just checked [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ship-Whisperer-Julie-Nováková-ebook/dp/B08F3S7J9L/ her collection] and [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Rosetta-Archive-Notable-Speculative-Translation/dp/195106402X an anthology she contributed a story to], and [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Life-Beyond-Us-Original-Anthology-ebook/dp/B0BNZ7M4F7/ an anthology she co-edited], and all use "Nováková". I assume these should at least be a variant, but I don't have the privileges to see who might have added that author note, in case they can shed any further light?<br />
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(Also, "foreign publications" seems a bit Anglocentric, especially in conjunction with a Czech author?) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:38, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ghosts of the Chit-Chat ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?869953; Contents #1, #4-7, #9, and #12 are not original; they're much older stories with at least one (Tatham) being under a different name (H. F. W.) and title ("Phonograph Bewitched"), plus a couple of authors that are not already on ISFDB (although J. K. Stephens may be James Stephens who is). If anyone owns this or knows where to get a look at the full text some fixing/merging is needed after determining what names and titles are actually used in it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:02, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Best of John W. Campbell ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1212025; I have a PENDING edit adding Archive.org link to '76 US PB and another edit adding month to intro but the afterword has a variant with neither having a month. PB doesn't actually say afterword on that essay's title page so this may be a false variant that needs merging into one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:26, 4 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Best New Romantic Fantasy ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?29658; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5827168; Re: this series, I don't think #3 was ever published like a lot of announced Juno books. There's almost no info online, nobody ever entered contents, etc. I think it should get an unpublished date here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:58, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Sanjulian ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?914; Should this be changed to Sarjulian and made a variant of his parent name? Because it's supposed to be what's on the page, not what PV thinks it should be. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:03, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Dutch Plot ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?28987; '79 Plot doesn't belong with the others. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:50, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Very Special People ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5828417; A copy of the rare 1977 horror novel The Soul of Anna Klane was uploaded to Archive.org earlier this year and I just came across it, it's a second impression so I cloned it, uploader messed up because the jacket is from an awesome book about circus people (or freaks as they were called back in the day) that anyone my age probably remembers reading or at least looking at the photos. Would anything by the author, https://openlibrary.org/authors/OL529624A/Frederick_Drimmer, qualify to be on ISFDB? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:59, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Is "Frederick Drimmer" the author of ''The Soul of Anna Klane''? The covers say the author is Terrel Miedaner. The only one from the list of Frederick Drimmer's works that looks like it might be includable is ''The Body Snatchers'', but it depends on what it's about. All his other works seem to be nonfiction about non-genre topics. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:33, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Other works by Miedaner that might be includable include [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/181242.The_Mind_s_I ''The Mind's I'', in which he has a story or essay (not sure which as the book contains both). It has a work by Stanislaw Lem in it. I couldn't find anything else by Miedaner that could be included. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:40, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Miedaner wrote the novel, Drimmer wrote dozens of non-fiction books including some about genre-related topics that I thought might qualify. Maybe someone will find one or two with something in them that can be entered. The novel seems to have had a lot of other editions not on ISFDB including some foreign editions with weird covers so maybe someone fluent could enter those. Also, the Mind's I book you mentioned is on Archive.org, https://archive.org/search?query=terrel+miedaner, in case you think that qualifies to be entered here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:55, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Gary Allen ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?87741; The author of None Dare... died long before the other works on his page were written so obviously by a different Allen; he has his own Wikipedia. However, I don't think there should be a variant but rather the novel removed because it's not really a novel, it's an anti-Communist diatribe by a member of the John Birch Society that's been reprinted endlessly. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:42, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Book has been deleted. Clear nongenre, nonfiction by a different author than the speculative fiction Gary Allen. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:16, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Twice Twenty-Two ==<br />
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https://openlibrary.org/works/OL103175W/Twice_twenty-two?edition=key%3A/books/OL26558953M; 2 copies, one searchable and one not, searchable one has a gutter code on p. 405, "03 N", which is not in the book club edition's note about gutter codes on ISFDB. Non-searchable one has no code. So if anyone knows how to identify dates from the code they may want to enter at least the copy that has a code. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:58, 8 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Schrecksekunden ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5830404; Does anyone recognize the cover I added? I'm almost sure I've seen it before on an English-language book; if so, artist is likely on ISFDB for that and can be added to this. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:44, 9 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:https://www.michaelwhelan.com/galleries/emergence/ and that conveniently also has [https://www.michaelwhelan.com/wp-content/uploads/fromtheheartofdarkness-cover.jpg From the Heart of Darkness cover]. Looks like we have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1727716 this]. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:05, 9 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:The PV of the affected pub is active and a moderator, so I pointed him at this. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:10, 9 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::The cover of [[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5830404 Schrecksekunden]] is correct. Regards Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] ([[User talk:Rudam|talk]]) 05:43, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Submission approved. Cover credit added to Schrecksekunden with a publication note specifying the secondary source & new cover art record varianted to the prior one. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:19, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Aiken's World Well Lost ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?915733; I don't think Joan published a book with this title but rather it was her brother, John, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?135, so Joan's record for that book should probably be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:06, 9 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Deleted. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:24, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pan Mystery Walk ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?556649; Someone just uploaded a foreign cover for Baal, one of Robert R. McCammon's novels, which led me to do some edits for other of his books (there's a lot left to do even though I've done many previously). There's a $75 Subterranean Press signed limited edition of The Night Boat which has been on Archive.org since April of last year which I somehow never noticed before so I added a link to that but the Pan edition of Mystery Walk only has a 2nd printing uploaded; the question is whether the 1st printing also says Stephen Crisp on back cover instead of Steve Crisp, which is what's on ISFDB. So if anyone owns a 1st printing (I don't see anything online except 1 eBay auction where they took photos of everything EXCEPT the copyright page) and it says Stephen then that needs fixing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:38, 11 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== International Polygonics Edition of Liars and Tyrants and People Who Turn Blue ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20274; I've made a few edits for this before but noticed today a copy was uploaded to Archive.org earlier this year so I added a link, replaced postage stamp-sized Amazon cover with their cover, and added LCCN (their site screwed up entering the title). However, the copy has a big thick sticker obscuring the cover art credit on the back; it seems to start with Kev so probably Kevin; no other books on ISFDB from the publisher have that in the artist's name so if anyone has/can find a copy can you let us know what the artist's name is? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:51, 12 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Brennan's Riddle ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?308567; Been doing some Joseph Payne Brennan edits and this one is odd; there's no content. Is it possible that it contains his 1964 poem "Riddle"? It's likely not a collection but a chapbook or something similar. I added cover image and FantLab ID in a PENDING edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:29, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Dedications in Poems ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5817418 this submission] to alter the title of {{T|1337626|this poem}} based on [https://www.sfpoetry.com/sl/edchoice/34.2-2.html this web page] from the magazine's web site. My question is whether "(For Edgar Allen Poe)" should be considered as part of the subtitle, or whether that is a separate dedication that should not be included in the title field. If we go with the latter, it could be added to the notes. My recollection is that poems occasionally have "For XXX" listed in a smaller typeface under the title though usually without the parenthesis. I don't think we usually include these as part of the title field. How do other folks feel about this. If there is disagreement, we can move this to the rules and standards page. Thoughts? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:50, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Personally, I wouldn't include this as part of the title. It is somewhat similar to the way some sources treat additional information, for example for series - like in The Death of a Hero (Star Wars), and it ''is'' a dedication. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:35, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Dedications are a common occurrence, I never include them in the title. If someone wishes to put then in the note section, I would not object. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:25, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::Hearing no differing opinions, I will reject the edit. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:08, 22 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pocket Pulse ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?269828; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251391; Should these very old entries by the late PV be changed to Pocket Pulse as the publisher so they merge with all the many others on ISFDB? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:08, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Martha Wells / All Systems Red - Code P1 ==<br />
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Some copies of the original tp of All Systems Red have a code "P1" underneath "First Edition: May 2017" on the copyright page. Other copies have no code; the corresponding area is blank. Does anyone know the meaning of this code? Some online booksellers says this code denotes the first printing (or first state of first printing) but this seems to be their opinion. Is there any independent, documented, verifiable evidence of its meaning? Secondly, how should this be recorded in the ISFDb? We have two records: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?723225 PoD] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?608522 non-PoD]. Should I create a new pub record for the P1 code version or should I just add a pub note to an existing record stating that some copies have this code? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:41, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Rich Grote ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?176753; I added, in a PENDING edit, archived site (online now is dead) richgrote.com and Behance page and wickedlocal.com article which revealed he's from New Jersey. There is a Rick Grote credit, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?112933, but his bio at various sites online says he started in 1976 while this book is from 1975. Also, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?123700, where one actually says Grote in the book while the other was not named but editor entered it from cover signature. So if anyone can say for sure that Grote or Rick Grote are Rich Grote then those can be made variants. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:42, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ash of Stars ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?102752; I was doing a bunch of James Sallis edits recently (links to several short stories, archived link to Shores Beneath, adding a massive collection from 2007 titled Potato Tree) and noticed this book about Delany. I don't do many edits for Delany because I can't stand him personally but I'm sure many people here like his work so I'll mention that the copy on Archive.org, https://archive.org/search?query=sallis+delany, the copy on Amazon.com and the copy on Google Books all have the same ISBN on back cover with the barcode saying 53950 which means price is $39.50 but ISFDB says $42.50. Also, ISBN is for HC supposedly but archived copy looks like TP to me. So if anyone wants to add a link to the copy and fill in anything else or change anything, please feel free. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:58, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Scheduled server maintenance - 3pm 2023-12-15 ==<br />
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The ISFDB server will be down for scheduled maintenance between 3pm and roughly 3:10pm server (EST) time on 2023-12-15 (today). [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:39, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: The server is back up. Thank you for your patience. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:08, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Brian Keith Evenson = Brian Evenson? ==<br />
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Any thoughts/objections on making [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?224599 Brian Keith Evenson] a variant of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ch.cgi?6382 Brian Evenson]? The former has just 2 pieces of short fiction in 1986 and 1989 (both with difficult to Google titles), which slightly predates the earliest work of the latter. Howevever (a) "K." is listed as the middle initial of the legal name of "Brian Evenson" (with [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/evenson_brian SFE] saying this it is "Keith"), and (b) the 1989 story was published by Brigham University, which Wikipedia says is where Brian Evenson got a degree and was later employed. Evenson's site doesn't have any detailed bibliography that might help clarify those two early stories are his. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:39, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:The source given for {{P|654878|The Leading Edge, September 1989}} is FictionMags Index. Checking them, they have these as the same author. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:50, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks - I've now set up variants/alternates for the author and two title records. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:37, 17 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Conan the Valiant ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?982255; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5836070; Added a few archived links to some of Roland Green's Conan novels, went backwards so first novel was looked at last, it already had a link added by someone last year, as can be seen in my edit above the cover is not the same as the later editions, any Ken W. Kelly experts who know his style can say if both are his work in which case art needs unmerging or if Tor mistakenly carried over Kelly's credit for the later art by someone else. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:07, 16 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== F. Piatti ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=co+piatti&type=Name; 2 credits for each, one should be parent assuming credits are correct; maybe they're all really spelled the same and someone just entered one or the other name wrong here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:38, 17 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Done. Thanks for this find! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:36, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Abridged editions? ==<br />
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Do we include abridged editions? I know we don't include dramatizations but the help doesn't seem to say anything about abridged editions. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:02, 17 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Sure we do! It's possible to add them to the general title (and add a note to the publication), or if the abridgement does alter the story in a major way to add it as a variant, or if another hand is credited for the abridgement to add it as a stand-alone title, like in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2918952 this title]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:44, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Thanks for the clarification. I've started to run across a number of audio items that have abridged versions but haven't been sure if I should add them. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:37, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: I have been told that abridgements are certainly accepted, but that they are never added as variants. How to deal properly with them was incorporated when dealing with translations, which are made variants but the difference in language makes it possible to distinguish them from name/author variations. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:39, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: That's certainly true for audio versions/readings: here it is quite a regular case that they are abridged, so they should just be added with a note under the respective title. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:33, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) Abridged editions are included. The [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#How_does_the_ISFDB_deal_with_.22Portions_of_this_story_originally_appeared_in....22.3F FAQ says]:<br />
* If an individual story is rewritten or revised, then we create a Variant Title for it and add the nature of the changes, e.g. "expanded", "abridged" or "restored", in the Notes section. Please note that these conventions are likely to change in the foreseeable future as we beef up our software in this area. <br />
: The [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Feature:90155_Add_an_optional_%22nature_of_the_relationship%22_field_to_the_Make_Variant_screen original Feature Request to change the software] to display "relationships" between titles was created back in 2008, but it hasn't been implemented yet.<br />
: Of course, when dealing with drastically changed titles, e.g. novels reduced to excerpts or short stories expanded to novel length, we create separate title records. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:33, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: To the original question - abridgements are in. I am questioning the varianting advice. I also once noted the lack of documentation on abridgements specifically. The original place I was told not to variant abridgements was in [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive46#Abridgements this] conversation. The argument was that variants were for title / author variations or translations as a special case due to limitations in the software. Only one moderator said so, but no one contradicted, so have been going by this since. There were [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk/archives/archive_25#variant_or_independent_work.3F earlier] and [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Adaptations_and_Abridgements later] discussions (I doubt I found them all) with varying degrees of agreement but no resolution. <br />
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:: And the FAQ reference above was answering a question about portions of a story appearing earlier in a novel that is expanded or created from a series of shorter stories. The [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:MakeVariant HELP on variants] says at the beginning that they are only for title and author variations, but later talks about how to deal with translations (with a link to how-to details). ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:50, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: [[Help:Screen:MakeVariant]] says:<br />
:::* Two title records are variants if they are in fact the same story, but have either a different title, or use alternate names for the author.<br />
::: Translations are effectively "the same story" for our purposes, but I agree that it's not made clear in the statement above. We should probably update it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:16, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: It sounds like abridgements should not be varianted. But there's no help on how to document the relationship to the original - be it in the Notes or a linking template. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:50, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::I'm following this closely since most audio abridgements are significantly shorter than their unabridged brethren (should they exist for comparison). Often 2-3 hours compared to 8+ hours. The source novel is often in the 270 page range. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:57, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: I would expect a version that contains only 25-33% of the original material to be considered a separate derivative work. Kind of like {{A|E. Nesbit}}'s juvenile adaptations of {{A|William Shakespeare}}'s works are listed as separate works with the word "(abridged)" appended to the end of the title: "A Midsummer Night's Dream (abridged)", "The Tempest (abridged)", etc. Except, of course, there would be no additional co-author. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:52, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::To me, this makes the most sense. If it's significantly abridged, it should be a separate work (for example, I think the abridged audio releases of ''{{T|7577|The Courtship of Princess Leia}}'' should be separate as they are only 3 hours as opposed to the {{P|983542|unabridged version}} of 14 hours (finally being released in January)). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:00, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::::Based on this guidance, the title above has now been split into [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?7577 The Courtship of Princess Leia] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3258106 The Courtship of Princess Leia (abridged)]. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 18:02, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Présence du Futur ==<br />
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Ex-editor Hauck entered some entries in this endless French series but only basic info. I came across a manual which I added as a link, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5837420, although I have no idea if it contains anything useful, then I entered several missing bits of info for Gravité à la manque from Open Library, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5837421. I then came across a title with an actual copy, but rather than stumble my way through entering info from books in a language I'm not fluent in I'm just going to list this, https://archive.org/search?query=%22une+collection+d%27inedits+au+format+de+poche%22&sin=TXT&and%5B%5D=collection%3A%22inlibrary%22, so if anyone can find anything useful to enter from those they can do so. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:34, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Crash Override ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?659223; I added archived link and a few other things in a PENDING edit to the other book by the publisher, the novel The Secret. Publisher actually has no space between the 2 words in its name so I fixed that and then was going to check online to see if it was the same for this much later book but realized this probably shouldn't be here since it's not by a known author and it really has nothing to do with genre. So should it be deleted? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:54, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:I was advised some time ago and it is my understanding that any works shortlisted for a genre award (in this case a Hugo) are considered in. This exception is called out in [[ISFDB:Policy|our policy page]] but only for online publications. Perhaps we should be more specific. Aside from that, my recollection from reading the book in 2018 is that it is chiefly about the Gamergate event which is tightly coupled with the Sad/Rabid Puppies movements. I don't recall how much Quinn went into the latter, but if at all, it would certainly qualify this as a book about speculative fiction. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:51, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::OK. It's PublicAffairs in Amazon look inside so I'm going to fix that so both books on ISFDB will be by the same publisher. EDIT: There's 1 archived copy which was uploaded in May, 2021 but wasn't added until January, 2023 (?!?) so I also added a link to that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:14, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Napoleon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?31091; I added archived links to Minstrel Boy and ...Overhead and fixed formats to TP for both; publisher was also changed to Napoleon Publishing for those 2 and ...Yard because Napoleon & Company, as explained on the copyright pages, is a parent company and Publishing is the actual imprint. The problem now is the 2 e-book Gargoyle editions don't actually show a copyright page on Amazon and, more importantly, Time Thief's beautiful Napoleon cover is nowhere online and ISBN defaults to the Dundurn Press edition's less beautiful cover. Looking at Dundurn's Wiki page they bought Napoleon in 2011 which makes sense because Blogspot page linked in Napoleon's record on ISFDB ends in February, 2011, a month before their Time Thief edition was supposedly published. So maybe someone can say whether Time Thief Napoleon edition should get an unpublished date of 8888-88-88 and whether that and the 2 e-books should have their publisher changed to Napoleon Publishing just to keep everything together. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:13, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== John Allen ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?186482; Likely 3 or 4 different authors on the same page in case anyone can find info to separate some or all of them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:32, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:I split the entry into three. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:18, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Stateham Banners ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3575; Archived copy uploaded in 2020 so I added a link in a PENDING edit; note about frontispiece is wrong as it is credited on copyright page (an editor of Canadian edition noted this correctly) so maybe one of the active editors (Willem, GlennMcG, Spacecow) can fix note so it says the same as Canadian edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:23, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Speedy In OZ ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?366452; Oz fans, a request. I saw a lot of Oz edits in the queue recently and discovered many of R.P. Thompson's books were reprinted in PB in the eighties. I added archived links to the 4 I found but Speedy has a missing cover and most online ones are of the weird $19.00 reprint that nobody seems to know much about; the archived cover sucks because it has 3 huge stickers on the bottom obscuring things and a cover on Biblio.com is shot too far away, has a Barbed Wire Books business card in front of it, and has some plastic holder or something at the bottom of it. So if anyone can find a clear and clean cover, can you upload it? Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:45, 21 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Dread ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?22179; Year and subtitle (Allen, seen on sfpoetry.com) different than other ISFDB record; poem here, https://poetrynz.net/pdf/PNZ48.pdf, says Allan. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:16, 22 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Knock on Wood ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=0-671-04070-7+&type=ISBN; Cover says Vornholt; why is Friesner credited for the same book? EDIT: Also Witchopoly, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=0-671-02806-5&type=ISBN. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:37, 25 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Deleted the two Friesner ones. All reliable sources show these two ISBNs as by Vornholt which matches cover. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:06, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Yesterday We Saw Mermaids ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55736; Cover is the Tor edition but it's on the Wiki so the Pan cover would need uploading to replace it; problem is I can't find it because all eBay copies are Tor. So either it's rare or vaporware. Help, if you can. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:00, 25 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Finding forgotten horror story ==<br />
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Hi, all. I hope you all had merry Christmases (if you celebrate). <br />
Someone on Goodreads is trying to find a horror story he or she read in the '70s about gentle hand-shaped creatures who live in a forest near a town or village. But then several people are found strangled with hand-shaped bruises on their throats. (Spoilers ahead.) <br />
The creatures are rounded up and killed. But the killings continue, and the townspeople realize the creatures were all shaped like left hands, while the bruises on throats are from a right hand (or vice versa).<br />
Does this story sound familiar to anyone? Thanks! —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 01:40, 26 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Sidgwick & Jackson Prices ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5843103; I was looking at the Science Fiction Specials (added a couple more links because a few of them were hiding on Archive.org using a title of one of the contents instead of the overall title) and also am adding links and other stuff to books from the publisher by the authors in the Specials. I've noticed their prices on the front flaps are a mess with some being old pre-decimal prices and others being stickered with decimal prices. In this Asimov case you can see a pre-decimal price under the sticker that looks like 35s to me but I can't find any copies online that show the flap. So if anyone knows what the original price was, thinks it should be cloned, etc. let us know. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:29, 27 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Silverberg and Neverness ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:SFJuggler#The_Time_Travelers; Linking this here in case anyone else might own a copy of the Donald I. Fine edition of Neverness. Also, should we make the Silverberg thing a pub. series? There's got to be more than 2 books in it; Archive.org search isn't the most accurate and there could be books not archived that are part of the series. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:40, 27 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:I have the Donald I. Fine 1st hc edition of Zindell's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23681 Neverness]. It does state "A Robert Silverberg Science Fiction Selection" on rear flap and also "RS/SF" on spine of dj. I have also discovered that Sturgeon's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15623 Godbody] has the same features. Looks like a pub series to me, even if it didn't last very long and didn't have many books in it. I have Godbody so I will PV both these pubs and edit them to create and add the pub series. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:40, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::Great, thanks! A search for the exact series title on Google only finds the ISFDB record for Godbody and my message on the SFJuggler board. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:55, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Where the Southern Cross the Dog ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?326635; Does anyone own the August 2002 issue of Locus? I added cover/interior artist and intro by S. R. Tem but I can't find the titles of the stories anywhere, 3 supposedly, and it was reviewed by Edward Bryant in that issue. Maybe he mentioned them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:05, 27 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Ah ha, I recently added a link to 40+ years' worth of microfilmed Locus issues on Archive.org and vaguely remembered that I had asked about an issue of Locus recently. I checked that 2002 issue and yes, all 3 stories were mentioned. The one original, "Black Angel Blues", doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere at all online (until now). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:46, 17 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Siergiejew ==<br />
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https://readfrom.net/michael-aronovitz/364512-the_voices_in_our_heads.html; It's Marius Siergiejew in that link, no z in first name but also no "Noistromo", I checked Unlikely Entomology issue and it is Mariusz, so both should be variants assuming all the ones under Marius "Noistromo" actually have the correct name entered; now that the link above shows there's at least one with just Marius maybe that should become the parent after name is fixed and the nickname should be the variant. I added a Blogspot link to the Marius record. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:47, 29 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Alternate name created. I would not consider that site reliable enough to change a verified pub. Unfortunately, the verifier is no longer active so we will have to wait for someone else to re-verify it. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:58, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Webs of Time ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?54122; Does anyone think the replacement cover I used is better than the old one? Mod didn't agree. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:35, 29 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Well, the overall quality (= colour likeness) seemed better with the amazon source, ''and'' I do assume that this source will be more stable than Fantlab (and presumably that's the line of thought Chris_J also tended towards). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:26, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::I guess; anyway, my replacement cover will still be in edit history so that's something. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:53, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Fanni S. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=fanni+s&type=Name; Probably the same person, maybe entries under the first name really don't have the special "u" or maybe editors didn't enter it that way. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:21, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:The three records with Suto all had Amazon Samples available which showed they should have been Sütő. Only one was verified and that verifier is showing as not active in several years. I made the changes. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:46, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pandora Effect ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?45062; I added Archive.org link in a PENDING edit, do any of the active PV think an August month should be added to dates as notes say? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:10, 31 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Great Tales of Action and Adventure ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5846199; Cover question about this '67 10th printing I just added. It says Richard Powers on copyright page but Robert Shore on back, Powers credit possibly left over from earlier printings? Should Shore be entered instead? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:23, 31 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:My copy doesn't have the credit to Shore on the back, but the cover is different than the Powers original. Seems like we should have a Richard Powers (in error) created as an alias to Shore. [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 18:43, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Through the Budgerigar ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?925198; While adding LCCN to Jones novel Transplant I noticed this book was added not long ago and while SFE mentions it and even a cover artist there seems to be no evidence of a cover online; can anyone find one? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:06, 3 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== To the Sound of Freedom II==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive53#To_the_Sound_of_Freedom; I came across this record again today; should it get an all-8's date? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:24, 4 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== HG Wells and His Critics ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=wells-and-his-critics; Anyone know a way to tell which of the 3 publishers these copies are from so I can add links? The USA one has no record; maybe it was never actually published by them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:38, 5 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Top Science Fiction ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=pachter-josh+top&sort=-addeddate; Someone added intros to this anthology recently, I added archived link long ago, just noticed a Spanish-language edition, La crema de la ciencia ficción, was upped to Archive.org in 2013 in case anyone fluent wants to enter that. EDIT: From the same publisher is La Crema del crimen, https://archive.org/search?query=crema-del-crimen, which includes a few stories from ISFDB judging by back cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:40, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I will add the Spanish one. What the heck. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:12, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Pachter ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1914279; Josh Pachter is credited as "with" on title page of 2015 English edition on Archive.org. Should he be added as co-author? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:21, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I didn't check the Archive.org copy, but the Look Inside on Amazon shows that "with" citation, but then on the copyright page it says the English translation is copyright 2015 Dhooge and Pachter. There is also a copyright 2014 for Dhooge and the original publisher. I interpret that to mean Pachter's role was (co-?)translator. I found Pachter's [http://www.joshpachter.com/bib/bibliography.html bibliography page], and this listed in the "Translations" section. But just to avoid having anything be too clear, he also has [http://www.joshpachter.com/bib/bib.styx.html this], where he talks about previously translating another Dhooge work and being asked to "collaborate on an American version" of this one. So does that mean this isn't a translation but is actually a major revision? Dunno. Given that Pachter only takes credit for translating it, I think noting him as translator and documenting the "with" citation and the copyright statements (could throw in the Pachter site references as a bonus) should be sufficient. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:30, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Star Gors ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5851689; I was adding links and adding/fixing other stuff in some Gor editions, mostly UK Star PB, when I noticed an artist's signature for Players of Gor, Star edition, is on the cover but ISFDB had no credit. I tried several names I thought it could be and finally got Tony Masero who, as far as I can tell, is credited exactly once on the entire net for doing this cover, an AbeBooks/Biblio seller's description, but AbeBooks show the wrong (Daw Books) cover and Biblio's scan of the right cover is much too small to see the signature clearly. So I think I got a rare one. As can be seen here, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_publisher&O_2=exact&TERM_2=star&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=contains&TERM_3=of+gor&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication], there are 5 other Star editions with no cover credit; if anyone can find a signature on any of them, beat me to it and enter them yourselves. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:49, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Night Mayor Cover Art ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?474; I noticed that the cover art for the original UK HC and the US C&G HC, which is the same, is credited to 2 different artists here. It's easy to find photos of the back flap of US online which does say design by Roy Colmer but of the several eBay sellers who offer the UK none thought to show the back flap. There are many C&G Colmer design credits online so I'm thinking Kemp did the art and US just didn't credit him, only their designer. So should we make C&G artist Jon Kemp with a note about him not being credited? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:11, 10 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:I have the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44644 UK hc of Kim Newman / The Night Mayor]. The rear flap of the dust jacket states: "Jacket Illustration: Jon Kemp" and "Jacket Design: Bostock & Pollitt Ltd." [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:44, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Darrah Chavey's Passing ==<br />
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I was saddened to read this morning of [[User:Chavey|Chavey]]'s passing in [https://file770.com/pixel-scroll-1-10-24-tom-swift-and-his-scrolling-pixels/ File 770] (Number 7 in the Pixel Scroll). It was always a pleasure to work with him here and he will be missed. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:49, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I replaced link on his page with an updated one; also, while adding a link to the issue of the zine, Aurora, where his Walton essays appeared I discovered that most issues of Aurora and its predecessor Janus are on Archive.org, he PV most (all?) of them, but some have full contents while others have nothing. I imported a few poems from Robert Frazier, Steven M. Tymon, etc. but there's a ton of other book reviews and articles and stuff for anyone who's interested. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:15, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: Sad news indeed. He had a heart attack a few years ago and has been less active since then, but he was only 69, so it was unexpected. Thanks for updating his User and Talk pages. I have updated user rights on his account. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 23:11, 12 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Rtrace, thanks for letting us all know. I echo your sentiments. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:47, 13 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Barn Owl ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?4296; I made an edit for City of Hermits long ago and today added some more stuff; I think this Barn Owl is not the same as the other that published much later. Ann Jungman who wrote a few of the later ones has a Wiki page where it says she founded Barn Owl in 1999 so I think the 1983 one should get a USA or California or something added to it. Whoever wrote the note about Frances Lincoln here seems to have conflated the 2 publishers; the England location probably belongs with the later publisher. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:27, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I separated out [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?4296 Barn Owl Books (UK)] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?83339 Barn Owl Books (USA)] based on the ISBN's. I also updated the notes for Barn Owl Books (UK) based on [https://www.thebookseller.com/news/frances-lincoln-acquires-barn-owl this article]. When untangling publishers, the [https://grp.isbn-international.org/ Global Register of Publishers] can be of help. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:11, 13 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Pat Frank Title ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5856366; I added cover image long ago; just came across archived copy which was there years before my edit so I'm not sure why I didn't add it back then but I did now and also added dash in title, H-Bomb, but I noticed there's another part of the title that people can't decide on. Mhhutchins entered it with 3 dots but title page has one GIANT dot while facing page has long dash and LOC/WorldCat has comma. So what's the consensus? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:44, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Sue Robinson ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?16675; I added archived link and a few other things to the HC of Amendment; author is a respected American newsperson. She should be differed from the Australian author. 1992 story in Weird Tales may be by either of them or another person since there's no bio in that issue. Also, does anyone own Amendment PB? It has nice cover art but there's no back cover photo online where I assume the artist would be credited. I see some weird blocks in the lower right, P and another letter, maybe initials or maybe just part of the art. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:10, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I separated out ''The Amendment'' to {{A|Sue Robinson (I)|373246}}. The author blurb for ''The Amendment'' does not align with the bio for the more prominent newspaper reporter of the same name, nor does that person list ''The Amendment'' as one of their works on their personal or faculty website. So probably two different reporters with same name. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:55, 13 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Peter Goodfellow ==<br />
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http://petergoodfellow.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/18-misc2; I added a few credits for this artist but the last one has me stumped because the 1992 edition had the same cover as the last image here, http://petergoodfellow.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/18-misc2, but that was wrong because archived copy has the same Posen cover as the later printing on ISFDB. Goodfellow cover has an M for Mammoth so was it an earlier or later edition and why can't I find the original Methuen cover anywhere? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:54, 12 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== French Swastika ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5857839; French speakers, I made my usual shaky attempt at entering a foreign-language edition but I felt a book of such fame probably deserved it; after approval if anyone cares to look it over I'm sure it can be improved. I also made a follow-up edit changing date of French variant to a year earlier to match the date of this book. Also, those Feminist Press editions, https://archive.org/search?query=swastika-night&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22, are a mess, the one with the white cover matches the UK Lawrence & Wishart edition's cover but has the info of the '85 Feminist edition, while the other 2 with the face on the cover either a) have no price on the back and totally different back cover text but copyright page is the same or b) are a 4th printing from 2003, I think, with cover info on copyright page the '85 edition doesn't have and a missing back cover so no way to tell what was on there. If anyone cares to figure all that out. For some reason the French edition I mentioned above is in English according to Archive.org which is obviously wrong. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:59, 12 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== UK Omni ==<br />
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https://fantlab.ru/edition356174; I added archived links to the 6 volumes of Best of Omni and noticed FantLab has a photo of #6 with a UK price on it in case anyone knows more about that; maybe all 6 were published there but, if so, none are on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:23, 14 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Tiret-Bognet ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=bognet&type=Name; same Verne illustrator, same book in different languages, one should be parent and maybe some of the art needs merging, Holmesd worked on many of these Verne books so he'd probably know. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:48, 14 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== N. Katerli ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=katerli&type=Name; I found a huge (380+ pages) thread on FantLab's message boards with people who have died, many of which were never entered on ISFDB (not all genre, though, some footballers and other non-genre people are included, too) and while adding many dates and photos I came across Katerli; I added Wiki link, day of death, and photo to Nina's record but is that other spelling the same person? If so, some variant would probably be needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:25, 17 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:It's very possible, given how things get romanized from Eastern European languages. Perhaps one of our Eastern European language people can do a little digging? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:30, 17 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::Looking into it a bit myself, I'm 100% sure they are the same person. Working on connecting them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:57, 17 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::Okay, everything is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?373565 here], now. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:27, 17 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Thanks for working on her stories. I have added dates and updated the author record. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:51, 17 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Terry Venables ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5861442; Is this the famous footballer (or soccer, as we Yanks call it)? There seem to be a lot of photos of him but some of them look like a different person so just making sure this is the right guy (he wrote some novels including Bornless Keeper which is on ISFDB but online info seems to suggest he didn't actually write any of it, Gordon Williams did). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:44, 17 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Yes, things like that do happen: there are several titles in the database for which it is doubtful if the featured prominent author did actually write them; and so, jugig from the photo and the theme of the listed title it is '''the''' Terry Venables. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:38, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::I can confirm that the photo in your submission is indeed of the English footballer [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Venables Terry Venables]. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:42, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Alchemy Magazine ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?35135; Luminist.org has a lot of magazines not on Archive.org and while replacing cover and adding link to Alchemy #2 I noticed all 3 issues have a different format, TP/unknown/pulp. Those who know about such things may want to adjust those since I'm assuming they all should be the same format. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 01:11, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Dinotopia Digest Novels ==<br />
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I just made about 20 edits for this series (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5862661 through https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5862859) and as usual with series books it's a nightmare; I think I did as much as I could with what's available (oddly, only 1 book, Survive!, didn't have its original Random House edition entered on ISFDB so I had to scrounge up a copy on Google Books to enter info from). I think only one thing may raise questions and that's this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2230051, where an editor here in 2017 entered James Gurney as cover artist but even though he's mentioned on all copyright pages because he's the creator/owner of Dinotopia it was actually Michael Welply who did all the covers. Problem is after I removed cover credit (I didn't enter Welply because while it does say that in archived 3rd printing copy there are some 1st printings of books in the series that misspelled it as Welpley and then corrected that in later printings) I noticed the nomination for best cover in the art record. So I don't know what to make of that; was Gurney nominated because he's the creator or did someone make a mistake and not nominate the real artist, Welply? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:58, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Pratchett's Eric - converting into novella? ==<br />
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I did a word count on a digital version of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1832 Eric], and it's around 35000 words, i.e. clearly a novella. Comments on the title and various publication records point out how unusually short it is. [http://www.locusmag.com/index/b381.htm Locus] calls the first edition a novella, but later editions a novel. I think the novella classification is correct, but am hesitant in converting such a high-profile title. Any opinions? [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] ([[User talk:TerokNor|talk]]) 08:01, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: My electronic copy contains 34.2K words, so it's a novella. That said, I wonder about Locus changing its classification after the first edition. Is there any indication that later editions may have been longer? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:43, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:: I can find no indication of there being different editions of the text. I noticed however that after the original illustrated edition (which was billed "A Discworld Story"), it usually says "A Discworld Novel" on the covers, so Locus might have just gone with that. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] ([[User talk:TerokNor|talk]]) 13:59, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: It sounds like it's a novella whose subtitle (but not the word count) was changed in later editions. I suggest we wait for other editors to share their thoughts before we change the type from NOVEL to SHORTFICTION. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:49, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::I added an Archive.org link in a PENDING edit to The Illustrated Eric, 2010 Gollancz HC, so that may help with the counting; page count said 144 but it is actually 131. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:26, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: I have approved the submission that corrected the page count and updated the Note field to indicate where the corrected page count comes from. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:49, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::: (Chime) Not surprised, don't care, go ahead. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 21:26, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) Hearing no objection, I have left a message on TerokNor's Talk page asking him to proceed with the proposed changes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:38, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Thank you. I have submitted the first edit to begin the process. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] ([[User talk:TerokNor|talk]]) 05:19, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Late Mods ==<br />
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I had a thought while adding FantLab ID to a PV Brian Lumley book today; is there a way to remove the necessity of adding a note to the mod about what changes you made if the mod is deceased? There have been several mod losses recently, most of whom PV countless books, so it would save time to not have to write anything if the only PV's are ones who are not going to read those notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:23, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: I think there are two sides to this issue.<br />
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: The first one is technical, i.e. whether it would be possible to modify the software to check each primary verifier's Talk page to see if it starts with the "Deceased user" template. The short answer is "Yes, it would be possible, although it would also make our core software more closely intertwined with the Wiki software, which may become a minor nuisance during the next Wiki upgrade".<br />
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: The second one is functional, i.e. whether making this kind of change would be desirable. I am not sure it would. It would save some keystrokes, but there is value to having more detailed Edit History for primary verified publications even if their verifiers are no longer available. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:42, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Moll/Head Virgin Planet ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5864268; I added cover and prices but I think publisher should be changed to Wyndham, either Star or Tandem or Target which are all on ISFDB related to Wyndham, since their logo is on front and back covers, https://www.ebay.com/itm/143869122299. The other issue is the cover is the same Charles Moll art as earlier US paperbacks; Michael Head was a designer with 1 other ISFDB credit that notes say is just a photo and a Mike Head I noted in an edit earlier today as the designer for Piatkus edition of M. Bingley's Waiting Darkness did a cover which is just a photo of a fist. So where Head credit came from for Virgin Planet I don't know but I think Moll credit should replace it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:09, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== One Hundred Years of Science Fiction ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5864915; I'm guessing this Gollancz edition is rare judging by the fact there's almost no photos of the cover online. As can be seen in my edit, notes about year (probably very old and entered by the long-gone Bluesman) are obsolete now because the year is on the title page. Also, the price was entered by Mellotronman from his copy but for a 1969 UK book the pre-decimal price should be entered so that's what I did; problem is in his note to mod in edit history he says other price is 32s, not 30. So if he's still around he may want to PV and add a note about the alternate price (I'm assuming the archived copy's flap is badly framed which is why the other price is not visible) and delete year notes and add a new one saying the date is on the title page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:31, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:It doesn't help that two different printings share the same ISBN. Mine says 1970 on the front of the title page and 'second impression 1970' on the back of the same page. The price is most definitely listed on the dust jacket as '32s', an unusual way of writing 'shillings'. The more usual way would be '32/-'. Perhaps the first impression was 30s and the second 32? [[User:Mellotronman|Mellotronman]] ([[User talk:Mellotronman|talk]]) 16:55, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::OK, I think it makes sense now, copy on Archive.org is '69 1st pr. with just s-price while your 1970 2nd pr. has both s-price and pounds. So after my edit is approved you may want to clone it and enter yours with new date and prices and PV it, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:07, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Tom Palmer ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?98449; 2 or 3 different Palmers here; novels are by the guy pictured but the art credits are by the recently deceased (2022) famous comic artist who had a still-online site, tompalmerillustration, and a Wiki page as Tom Palmer (comics); the poem, judging by the bio at the archived Aphelion link, is by another likely American Palmer. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:58, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Lone Star Law ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?80404; Anyone think this should be deleted? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:34, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: The Note field says:<br />
:* Western story anthology. It may have some spec-fic stories, but otherwise, there's no reason for it to be in the database.<br />
: Have we been able to find this anthology's table of contents and determine whether any of the stories are SF? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:23, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::I was able to look at the ToC via the Amazon Look Inside feature for the pb edition (ISBN 978-1982153069) and I don't see anything there that looks like SF. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:38, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Reading the editor's introductions to each story I noticed that two stories were called "eerie". After reading them, I can confirm that one is an unambiguous ghost story while the other one is an ambiguous "curse" story. I have added them to the publication record and updated Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:13, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Recording plagiarized work ==<br />
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A couple of days ago [https://file770.com/pixel-scroll-1-19-24-all-these-pixels-are-someone-elses-fault/ File 770 reported] (item 5) that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3221864 "After the Flood" by John Kucera] was plagiarised from another author. I've added a note to that title record, but I'm wondering whether anything else should be done, e.g. making it a variant? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 01:36, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Unless the poem uses the same wording I'd think the only thing we can do is to add notes to the title (and likely the publications the plagiat was published in). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:32, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:All three of the works "by" this author that are listed on ISFDB appear to have been plagiarized. I've added notes to the title entries as well as the publication entries. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:59, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks all! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:22, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::At some point, we should probably make them variants since (in all the reports I've read) only the title were changed by the plagiarizer. Similar to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1570478 this one]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:34, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::I've added the variants for the two I could figure out. Still unsure who originally wrote "[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3205023 Summer 1993]" and what the original title was. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:15, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::How about this one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2951283? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:29, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::Looks like it's the same guy per a Google search that brought up [https://eunoiareview.wordpress.com/2023/11/16/fanlight-and-ice/ this] ([https://web.archive.org/web/20240123001032/https://www.silverblade.net/tag/john-siepkes/ archive]), which is the same thing but under his Kucera name. Now to try to figure out who really wrote it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:06, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::Some additional archive links to help us figure out all of this: [https://web.archive.org/web/20230604133528/https://thewildword.com/poetry-john-kucera/ Wild Word], [https://lothlorienpoetryjournal.blogspot.com/2024/01/john-kucera-exposed-as-serial-plagiarist.html Lothlorien Poetry Journal] ([https://web.archive.org/web/20240123004257/https://lothlorienpoetryjournal.blogspot.com/2024/01/john-kucera-exposed-as-serial-plagiarist.html archive]), [https://twitter.com/OneArtPoetry1/status/1747732242581876815 One Art Poetry on X], [https://web.archive.org/web/20230922115703/https://oneartpoetry.com/2023/09/11/two-poems-by-john-kucera/ One Art Poetry], [https://web.archive.org/web/20230530004119/https://www.fictionalcafe.com/spare-parts-poetry-by-john-kucera/ The Fictional Cafe], [https://web.archive.org/web/20240122101438/https://sparksofcalliope.com/2024/01/17/it-was-bound-to-happen-eventually/ Sparks of Calliope] (see also [https://web.archive.org/web/20240123004746/https://sparksofcalliope.com/2023/09/22/two-poems-by-john-kucera/ this page]), [https://issuu.com/newreadermagazine/docs/nrm_issue17_lowres_1_/s/16096176 New Reader Magazine] ([https://web.archive.org/web/20240123005036/https://issuu.com/newreadermagazine/docs/nrm_issue17_lowres_1_/s/16096176 archive]), [https://bsky.app/profile/wnwagner.bsky.social/post/3kj5gwyptla2o Wendy N. Wagner loves pie on BlueSky], and I'll add more later. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:31, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) I suspect that the issue of plagiarized works is going to become harder to deal with in the near future. In the past we had to deal with two types of scenarios:<br />
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* word-for-word reprints with the title/credits changed, usually by shady publishers or self-publishers<br />
* more elaborate schemes whose perpetrators plagiarized sections of other authors' works<br />
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The first type is fairly straightforward, but the second type is hard to catch. For example, volumes 29 and 33 in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?4950 ''Casca'' series] were retroactively removed from the series over allegations of plagiarism in April-June 2013. It happened 3-5 years after their original publication even though the Casca fandom is very active. It's not something that we, bibliographers, can realistically identify on our own.<br />
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Over the last few months I have seen a number of reports of plagiarists using software to scrape Web-published stories, massage them using ChatGPT and put them on Amazon, e.g. [https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgressionFantasy/comments/18v1d5e/attention_authors_of_rr_there_has_been_a_spree_of/ this episode over the Christmas holidays]. I suspect it's going to be a pain to deal with. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:29, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Bard II ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291859; Wrong cover, it has price and ISBN of earlier printing, I can't find right cover, if anyone else can, can you upload it and replace this one? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:47, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Also, The First Long Ship (or Longship on some sites) which has no cover online I can find so if it exists and someone can find it that needs uploading, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:03, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Galactic Central Images ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5867682; The only other site I can find that has this cover is Camelot Books; I was going to upload it when I thought of checking Philsp and found it hiding there. Is the owner(s) of that site ever going to upgrade to HTTPS? Right-click and "open image in new tab" does show the image but it still would be better if that didn't have to be done. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:43, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Last I heard, the owner said that he had no plans to upgrade to HTTPS. That said, browser vendors have been making it harder to access HTTP sites, which puts pressure on site owners to upgrade. It remains to be seen how it may affect Galactic Central in the future. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:21, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== German Playboy ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?757; While replacing sideways Amazon cover with better straight cover for one of these books I noticed there are 8 or 9 that don't have cover credits (last book was unpublished so likely no cover exists); since most covers in the series were originally on English-language books it's likely the missing ones were, too, so if anyone can recognize the art then artists can be entered and variants can be made. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:08, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Brian Ames Title ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?119003; I added a link to a MOTA anthology over a year ago and there's a 2002 story by Brian Ames which editors before me seemed to have trouble deciding how to enter (see extensive title edit history), eventually settling on a symbol; however, in his collection someone entered the title as "grey blob", which is what it actually looks like in the anthology. So the 2 stories are the same and should be merged but what should the title be entered as? This reminds me of that David J. Schow horror story where nobody can ever decide how to enter it and eventually settled on "scribbled graffiti" or this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?76213, but at least Oates can get away with that because most of her work is pretentious "literary" stuff, anyway. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:22, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Merged [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2148942 here]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:39, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Duplicate finder -- NOVEL/CHAPBOOK? ==<br />
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The "Duplicate Finder" program, which exists in three incarnations -- one for Author pages, one for Title pages and one for Publication pages -- searches for potential duplicate titles and then lets you merge them. Its default mode of operations is "exact", which means that two (or more) titles need to have the exact same spelling as well as the same authors in order to be considered potential duplicates.<br />
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The "exact" mode also ignores unlikely title type mismatches. For example, if one title record is SHORTFICTION and another one is NOVEL, they won't be flagged as potential duplicates. However, the "exact" mode currently flags NOVEL and CHAPBOOK titles with identical titles and authors as potential duplicates. I am thinking that this is likely more harmful than useful and would like to propose that we change the behavior of the "exact" mode to skip identical NOVEL/CHAPBOOK pairs. Ideas? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:35, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I agree. As it is currently, we could accidentally merge titles incorrectly. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:40, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::I also agree. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:21, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::: I use that one a lot especially when adding juvenile chapbooks to prolific authors (mainly Fixer's) - because of how Amazon has these, they rarely make it to addPubs and not having the duplicate finder highlight the previously entered novel (a lot of these are stored as novels and need conversion) makes it more likely not to see the other version on the page. So I would rather not lose it... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:43, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: Let me clarify that the Duplicate Finder's "similar" mode would continue to flag NOVEL, SHORTFICTION and CHAPBOOK titles as potential duplicates after the proposed change. Would it be sufficient for Fixer-originated use cases? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:41, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::: But we do not have a similar mode in the pubs/titles Duplicate finder. The one I use is the one that triggers when you click on "Check for Duplicate Titles" after a Pub/Title Edit. Which I believe is "exact". If I need to go to the author page every time to run a separate similar mode check, it will add steps. Plus in some of these authors, it will highlight a lot of things which is different from the current case where it is a quick check that finds usually a single match when it does. I can make it work - but it will add to the workflow. One option may be to allow the similar as an option on pub/title duplicate finder - keep the exact as a default but allow a similar to be run with a click how we do it on author page's find duplicates? A separate click which is right there will help. <br />
::::: And this is not just for Fixer usecases - I've needed it when moderating as well often enough in a similar usecase - we have chapbook/novel and a new(ish) member adds the same as the other. <br />
::::: If the proposal is to remove it from the 'Author' exact duplicate finder only with no change for the pub/title duplicate finder, then I am fine with removing it there. But the way the proposal reads, it sounds like we are not going to show it in the default mode in either :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 10:45, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::::: Thanks for the clarification. I forgot about the fact that the versions of the Duplicate Finder software used on Publication and Title pages do not support "similar" and "aggressive" modes. If memory serves, the reason was performance -- there can be thousands of titles with "similar" spellings where "similar" is defined as an 85% overlap, the current threshold value.<br />
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:::::: It sounds like what we may need is a new Duplicate Finder mode. Something that would be the same as the "exact" mode except that it would also flag identical CHAPBOOK/NOVEL title pairs. It would be made available on all three Duplicate Finder pages.<br />
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:::::: If it sounds workable, I can look into what it would take to implement it. I suspect that it should be a fairly straightforward change, but I am not 100% sure. We'll also need to come up with an intuitive name for the new mode. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:11, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::: That will work for me. And if you are going to do it, we may think about throwing an anthology/collection/omnibus format mix in the same mode (same usecase essentially - especially around juveniles and novellas previously added as novels). And even poem/shortfiction? Maybe simply pull all the format discrepancy matches out from Exact (requiring a format match in it) and move them to their own type of duplicate finder mode. That will also make it less likely for someone to merge by mistake based on the standard duplicate find.[[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:27, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::::::: You could have "type" be an independent modifier applied to any of the three modes. Something like "Match identical types only", on by default. That would also be easy to extend to other criteria (e.g., language) in the future without having a cross product of mode choices. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 14:26, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::::::: Good point! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:43, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) After experimenting on the development server and paying closer attention when working on the Clean Authors cleanup, I think I have a better appreciation for Annie's concerns. At this point clicking "Check for Duplicate Titles" post-approval is second nature for moderators and self-approvers. When a submission adds a NOVEL publication, it's very helpful to know that a CHAPBOOK pub with the same title already exists in the database, especially if the submitter is a robot. Requiring the approving moderator to click yet another link/button would mess with the workflow.<br />
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I suppose we could change the Duplicate Finder logic to ignore CHAPBOOK/NOVEL duplicates by default, but display a yellow warning -- and a link to the more relaxed version of the Duplicate Finder -- if they exist. I am not sure it would be ideal, though. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:34, 31 January 2024 (EST)<br />
: As long as it is a link and not a need to go elsewhere or to go to the author level, that will work for me. <br />
: I'd also want to ask for the anthology/collection/omnibus and the poem/short fiction checks to be added to the chapbook/novel both for the yellow warning and the more relaxed one - both of these happen often enough to be annoying if we lose the ability to see them on the duplicate finder. Unless the plan is to leave these into the default one - in which case, we are fine. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:45, 31 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: After thinking some more about this issue, it occurs to me that there may be another way to approach this issue. Currently, most post-approval Web pages display links that let you view/edit the updated/added record or, for some submission types like Make Variant, multiple records. A few post-submission pages also link to the Duplicate Finder or other pages.<br />
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:: However, there is nothing preventing the post-approval software from quietly checking the status of the added/updated record(s) and displaying appropriate warnings. For example, the post-approval page for NewPubs could run the Duplicate Finder behind the scenes and then display a message like:<br />
::* The added publication record includes a title record with the same title and authors as another title record. Use the Duplicate Finder link above to see the details.<br />
:: This warning message would be easy to implement and moderators would no longer have to worry about forgetting to click "Duplicate Finder" after approving NewPub submissions. Does this sound useful?<br />
:: If we choose to add this warning message, we could still decide to tweak the Duplicate Finder logic later, but I think the message should be implemented first since it changes the workflow. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:53, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::: That will be useful -- I am not sure how many false alerts will show up and how they will be treated (especially from the less experienced moderating users - usually the self-approvers) but other from that, any checks the software can do for me are always welcome. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:08, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: OK, {{FR|1592}}, "Warning after approving NewPub submissions which create potential duplicates", has been created. We'll see how useful it will be. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:48, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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=== Duplicate Finder enhancements -- Outcome ===<br />
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{{FR|1592}} has been implemented. After approving NewPub/AddPub/ClonePub/EditPub submissions, moderators and self-approvers will now see a yellow warning and a link to the Duplicate Finder if the created/affected publication record contains one (or more) title records which have the same title(s) and author(s) as other title records in the database. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:58, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Moondust ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?22737; I added a whole bunch of edits for Rosemary Harris books and also found a PDF link for her early uncollected story "Hamlin" at Galactic Journey. Looking through their list of PDF's I noticed a Swann link and, thinking it would be a short story, I clicked it and it turned out to be the full original edition of his novel Moondust which has no copies at the usual places like Internet Archive or Luminist. I'm guessing there's more novels hiding in that list but for now I'll just ask if anyone owns the book and wouldn't mind transcribing the text on the last 2 pages and adding it to the record because those are missing in the PDF. I'm not sure what copyright rules are for a 50+-year-old book but I think a page or two would count as an excerpt and wouldn't bother anyone, right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:43, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:That can get complicated. Since this was first published in 1968 in the United States, and if it was published with a copyright notice, the copyright expires at the end of 2063 (meaning it becomes public domain on January 1, 2064). If it was published without a copyright notice, since it was published between 1964 and 1977, it is now in the public domain. See [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Public_domain#When_does_copyright_expire? here] for more details. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:27, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Looking at the PDF copy from the link you submitted, the copyright notice is very clear on the back of the title page. This means the copyright doesn't expire until 2064, so we shouldn't be linking to a pirated PDF copy. I rejected the link addition. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:30, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::So does that mean that all the 330 or so Luminist.org PDF's currently linked on ISFDB are pirated, too? Because I don't think most of those are public domain; I would know because I'm the one who added most of the links. Has any mod in the history of this site ever gotten a request from anyone to remove a Luminist PDF? I'd be curious to know. When someone pirates something and uploads it, they love to add their name, fake as it may be, to the upload, similar to how computer game crackers decades ago loved to add their names to the crack, usually with some animation and music (which were sometimes better than those in the game itself); believe me, I could easily add hundreds of Internet Archive links to rare books right now except for the fact that the uploaders converted them to crap e-editions with removed page numbers. I don't see anything like that in Moondust so it's likely someone's personal copy they converted to a PDF; it's clearly the original paperback with page numbers and a bookstore sticker on the cover and everything. Since Swann died in 1976 and the last reprint as far as ISFDB (and WorldCat) say was in 1977 I doubt anyone would care if a PDF was linked to here; any serious collector would want a physical copy. My suggestion would be to un-reject it. Barring that, I'll just go ahead and make a note with the address of the PDF but not hot-linked so people know where it is but actually have to paste the URL into the address bar themselves in order to get it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:47, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::This guy, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?286234, runs the site. Looks legit to me; he even published a magazine of the same title. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:08, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: The question about the status of Luminist-hosted PDF files is an interesting one. I should first note that I became aware of the Luminist Web site back in 2010 when we were given permission to link to Luminist-hosted images. I was under the impression that the files that they host were similar to [https://www.gutenberg.org/help/copyright.html Gutenberg-hosted "copyright-cleared" files], which is why I have been approving their addition for the last few years.<br />
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::::However, reading the copyright statement on the [http://www.luminist.org/archives/ main Luminist page]:<br />
::::* This collection may contain copyrighted material which has not been specifically authorized for our use. The copyright law of the United States (Title 17, United States Code) provides for making “fair use” copies of copyrighted materials under certain conditions, including that that the reproduction is not to be used commercially or “for any purpose other than private study, scholarship, or research.” By accessing files linked to this site you are agreeing to abide by these restrictions. If you do not agree, do not download. If any copyright owner objects to our inclusion of their material on this web site, please do not harass our hosting providers; just contact us with the pertinent information. We will remove contested content promptly upon receipt of legitimate requests. Readers who wish to obtain a permanent copy of any item are encouraged to acquire one from a bookseller of their choice. Readers may contact us for assistance in locating copies for purchase. <br />
:::: I see that they expect their users to download PDF files for "private study, scholarship, or research" purposes and, apparently, not for permanent use. This relies on an interpretation of the [https://copyright.columbia.edu/basics/fair-use.html "fair use" doctrine] which seems a bit too stretchy to me, but I am not an expert in the field. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:09, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::OK, sounds good to me, "private study" clearly can mean reading the book and since they're being linked at ISFDB that covers the scholarship/research part. Also, what I took to be a Galactic Journey magazine is just a few random pages from the webzine with a couple of essay links, 1 of which is movie-related and probably doesn't qualify, but there's some Hugo Award nomination so I guess they count; the first entry is totally blank and was actually entered by user "galacticjourney" himself with mods questioning on his page why he entered it since it's a webzine. The site is still running currently and has hundreds of essays, many of which would be suitable for entry here, I'm sure. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:25, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::::: Let me clarify what I meant by "a bit too stretchy". The part of the Copyright Law that they cite -- "for any purpose other than private study, scholarship, or research" -- doesn't come from the "fair use" clause ([https://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107 Section 107 of the Copyright Act].) Instead it comes from [https://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#108 Section 108, "Reproduction by libraries and archives"]. Section 108 is a lengthy section with a set of provisions that are completely different from the "fair use" provisions in Section 107. It's odd that the Luminist Web site cites Section 108 ("libraries and archives") language to support what they state is a Section 107 ("fair use") exception.<br />
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:::::: I should add that both Section 107 and Section 108 lawsuits can get complex and technical as we saw during [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hachette_v._Internet_Archive Hachette v. Internet Archive] in 2020-2023. My knowledge of these topics is very limited, but hopefully other editors may have more in-depth knowledge and/or relevant experience in this field. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:38, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::::: I have started a [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Linking_to_third_party_Web_pages_--_defining_.22legally_posted.22 Rules and Standards discussion] to see if we can come up with unambiguous rules for linking to third party-hosted texts. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:50, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Reactor?!? ==<br />
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I was at my awful local public library printing out various articles and short stories for free which is the only positive thing about libraries these days and after my hour was up I realized I forgot to check Tor.com to see if they published any new fiction (horror only, please, no SF or fantasy) so I checked when I got home and got a scary-looking page which made me think a computer virus had finally taken hold of my laptop after not having one for many years but it turns out that Tor apparently has re-named themselves Reactor. Is anyone else aware of this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:08, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
: Yes, they announced it a few weeks ago. New site, new name (to differentiate them from the Tor.com publisher), same team, same contents. All the old links to their old site should be forwarding cleanly to the new one. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:30, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
: And the [https://reactormag.com/tor-com-to-become-reactor-debut-new-site-on-january-23rd/ announcement] and [https://reactormag.com/answering-your-questions-about-tor-coms-change-to-reactor/ Q&A] about it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:31, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: I suspect that the part of the FAQ that is most likely to affect us is this:<br />
::* SFF literature is still the heart of what we do, and that’s our priority. We’ll just also be open to related subjects of interest, from nonfic to romantasy, pirates to gardening, and so on.<br />
:: So it looks like they will have more non-genre content going forward, but they expect to remain primarily SF-oriented for the foreseeable future. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:23, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Chinese Godzilla? ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=%E6%80%AA%E7%8D%A3%E3%82%B4%E3%82%B8%E3%83%A9&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22; If anyone knows what this is about and decides it warrants entering, thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:18, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Magic German Cats ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?33710; There was a 1999 German edition under a new title, https://archive.org/details/katmagie13katten0000unse, in case anyone fluent wants to enter that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:02, 30 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== ZOLTAR ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_verifier&O_2=exact&TERM_2=Zoltar&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication]; Polish primary verifier seemed to be very active in 2012 and then nothing, they left a lot of their 300+ PV unfinished with missing info, mentioning this in case anyone fluent in Polish wants to follow up on any of them and add or fix anything. I thought of this before but remembered it today after finding a photo for Jerzy Sosnowski on FantLab and an archived copy of the anthology PL +50 which his story on ISFDB appears in. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:45, 30 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== verification email ==<br />
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I have tried several times to elicit a verification email but nothing has arrived. I've checked junk & trash as well. Is this simply not working? {{unsigned|Starman99}}<br />
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: I am afraid this is a common occurrence, which we [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#What_if_I_don.27t_receive_the_confirmation_email.3F discuss in the ISFDB FAQ]:<br />
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:* Different email servers have different automated rules which may block email coming from certain Web sites, which makes it hard to tell what's preventing ISFDB confirmation email from being delivered to your mailbox.<br />
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:* Note, however, that confirmation emails are optional as far as ISFDB is concerned. As long as you can log in, you have full access to all ISFDB features including Advanced Search, display preferences, submission creation etc.<br />
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: Since you were able to post the message above, you should be all set :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:11, 30 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Ace Dates ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5872024; Can someone on the long list of editors find out where someone got month from? Whoever entered many of these old PB long ago was very random about noting where they got the month, but I remember it was a checklist or something so that's likely where this one came from, too. I thought it would be obvious why I added the month since it's there throughout the contents but I guess not. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:27, 30 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Berthon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=theodore+le&type=Name; Space in first entry separates same essay from its appearances elsewhere; no essay title page I can find but I did see a contents page of Frankenstein File that says, um, Ted Le Berthon, https://www.ebay.com/itm/334647759422. So, if anyone can verify, a merge or variant will be needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:08, 31 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== I'm looking for a book title ==<br />
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Hello everyone,<br />
I'm looking for a book title. I read the book years ago probably in the 80s. A quick summary the world is divided by a massive mountain range. I think that the protagonist must climb the mountain range in order to become the ruler. They climb the mountain only to find a deep valley on the other side with an even higher mountain range behind it. The protagonist ultimately climbs the second mountain range where they find another land on the far side with another intelligent species. This has been driving me batty and I would appreciate it if anyone knows what this books title is and who wrote it. Thank you. {{Unsigned2|19:21, February 1, 2024| Firefighterbgrg }}<br />
:If no one here is able to help you, we have a [[ISFDB:FAQ#I need help finding a book|section in our FAQ]] that gives several places where you can ask for help finding the book. Good luck! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:15, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Darrah Chavey ==<br />
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I learn via [https://news.ansible.uk/a439.html Ansible] today that Darrah Chavey left this mortal coil on 6 January. He was always a learned and consistent editor to work alongside at the ISFDB... Happy trails Darrah, Rest In Peace. :( [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 10:39, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Yes, indeed. There was a brief [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Darrah_Chavey.27s_Passing Community Portal discussion on 2024-01-11] and Darrah's database record was updated. RIP. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:01, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Gardner F. Fox's text story in "Strange Adventures" ==<br />
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Earlier today a Usenet poster pointed out that {{A|Gardner F. Fox}} published "The Magic Maker of Rann", a text story, in the comic ''Strange Adventures'' #226. The story is lavishly illustrated, but the text works just fine even if you were to reprint it without illustrations, which is how we determine whether a story is "graphic".<br />
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The whole thing is available [https://thedorkreview.blogspot.com/2012/01/adam-stranges-magic-maker-of-rann.html online], illustrations included. Should we treat ''Strange Adventures'' as a non-genre periodical and list this story? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:32, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:I've entered a number of Eando Binder stories from the {{Series|Lieutenant Jon Jarl of the Space Patrol}} series that originally appeared in {{Series|Captain Marvel Adventures}} comic, and I entered them in exactly the manner you suggest. I believe some of these stories have been reprinted as text alone, so I felt I was on pretty safe ground. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:43, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Lost Ark Storybook ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5880702; ISBN belongs to Scholastic edition judging by a back cover I saw online. There's a later (3rd) trade printing on Archive.org with trade and library ISBN on the copyright page so either this record should be made Scholastic or a new record created for Random House edition(s). I've been adding dozens of Wikipedia links to novelizations recently and I've come across some other issues like this (only one I can remember is Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade by Anne Digby which has pub. series as Hippo Books but that actually belongs to the UK edition which I made a new record for) so when these are approved a check and some fixing/adding is probably needed for at least a few of them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:50, 3 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Rise of the Silver Surfer ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?346021; I made an edit fixing typo "udpated" to "updated", surprisingly the only such error on all of ISFDB, and realized that this edition was likely never published with AbeBooks having a weird "cover to be unveiled" photo. So unless someone can find evidence of a copy I think this should get the unpublished date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:30, 3 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Parnassus Wizard of Earthsea ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/wizardofearthsea00ursu; I added a link to a Parnassus edition based on someone's extensive notes here (no number line or smudge on title page) but there are some editions of this book only linked from Open Library including the one above which has a price much higher than any other book from the publisher on ISFDB but copyright page has same info as 1969 2nd printing so if anyone knows a way to determine the date a new edition can be added. There's an ancient ISFDB bibliography from 2006 by Ahasuerus, https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Author:Ursula_K._Le_Guin, which could probably use some updating unless it's been updated somewhere else. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:08, 4 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Pranks ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?17626; I've made edits for all editions before, original 1983 Amazon cover seems to have disappeared leading to a broken image so I replaced it, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5882029, then I replaced OL/Archive cover which is too dark with an Amazon cover, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5882020, that isn't great but is brighter and still retains the sparkly stuff on the title that Leisure used to attract people to buy their books which then led to disappointment when the buyers realized the novels themselves were usually crap, the latest edition is fine as is, so now I think the 1983 edition with the wrong price and ISBN should be deleted and the image uploaded by Chris J. should be removed from the Wiki since it seems to be the badly creased cover that's still on Amazon with unnecessary back cover included. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:17, 5 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Felix Kelly ==<br />
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I entered new records for Faber anthologies Best Murder Stories and Best Murder Stories 2 which are mostly genre or by genre authors; I also looked at Best Tales of Terror, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4213, and even though I know I've seen that cover many times I never noticed until seeing it full-sized on FantLab that there's a very clear signature lower right, FELIX KELLY. I entered that in an edit but the problem is that the record for him, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?255975, might be the same artist who did the 1956 art but can't be the guy from 1879. So there may be 2 Felix Kellys in case anyone can find out more and separate them into 2 records; it's also possible that the 1956 art was not new but taken from something drawn by the older Kelly. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:09, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Also added Margaret Wolpe as cover artist for Best Tales of Terror 2; no signature I can see but FantLab credits her + there's a copy on Dalby's site whose front flap says she did "jacket design" and the art does look like many of her other Faber covers. Also greatly updated her record with lots of bio info and noted she was married to Berthold, also an artist, and updated his record as well. Dalby's copy has a pounds price sticker covering another pound price so I'm getting the impression Faber reprinted their anthologies many times with no way to tell except the prices kept getting higher; lots of printings are probably missing so if anyone has any not on ISFDB it would be good to enter them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:03, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Adventure of the Peerless Peer ==<br />
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Are there any objections to converting [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?11929 this] to a novella? The recent ebook reprint is marked as 27k words by Kobo USA and looking at the page numbers and some of the other editions, it does feel too small to be a novel. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:41, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: It's definitely a novella. The Titan Books edition (2011) is well over 200 pages and looks like a bona fide novel, but its apparent length is due to the addition of a very long promotional excerpt from {{A|Kim Newman}}'s ''Moriarty: The Hound of the D'Urbervilles''. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:16, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Termush - convert to novella ==<br />
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Another recent reprint shows [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1443797 this one] as 25k words in English (Kobo USA count) which will leave it well short of 40K in its original Danish as well. Any objections to converting this to a novella? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:27, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== John Stanley ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5883789; See my note about artist, that Little Lulu credit in the original Stanley record belongs with I's record because, as my note in the original says, he was born in '39 or '40 so he would only have been 9 or 10 if he did that art which is unlikely; this is the right Stanley, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stanley_(cartoonist). The Melvin Monster credits belong with I, too. I have to assume the Fengriffen Stanley is not the same as I because it's a UK edition and he's American plus it's a photograph, not drawn. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:10, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Doolin ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?431777; Late PV entered James Doolin based on signature but there is none, FantLab photo has initials JPD, it's actually Joseph Doolin, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?27894, and he has an entry for the same art, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1590968. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:48, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Uncorrected Proofs ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5870146 this submission] to update {{P|29328|this record}}. I noticed that the record states that it was unpublished (8888-00-00), yet there appears to be a cover that was just added. More importantly it also describes this as an "uncorrected proof" and I had thought that proofs were outside of our [[ISFDB:Policy#Contents/Project Scope Policy|scope]]. The policy specifically excludes Advance Reading Copies unless available for sale to the public. Do uncorrected proofs differ from ARCs in terms of determining scope? This seems straightforward to me and I believe the publication should be deleted. If others disagree and this requires a full discussion, we can move this the the Rules and Standards board. Thoughts? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:59, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
: I read the rules the same way you do - ARCs and uncorrected proofs are out. However, we do keep records of unpublished but announced books (these are in scope under the <i>announced but never published (entered as "unpublished")</i> part of ROA) so I would not delete this one as it is under that category. So ARC/uncorrected proof of a book that comes out will not be eligible but if the book never makes it out, adding the notes about it into the 8888 book are fine I think. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:22, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: Comparing this publication record with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3379 other, published, editions of the book], I note that it has a different ISBN in addition to a different publisher name. I typically enter announced-then-canceled ISBNs as 8888-00-00 publication records under the rule referenced by Annie. Their presence in our database helps answer a common question: "Whatever happened to this apparent first edition? Why can't I find any copies for sale?" We all know how obsessed collectors can get when it comes to first editions and our database is frequently the only readily accessible place that explains what happened to a "disappeared" ISBN. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:51, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::I've no argument with a publication record for an announced, but unpublished book. However, an unpublished book and an uncorrected proof are two different things. The notes on this record confuse the issue as to what the record represents. The addition of a cover scan and artist further confuses things. How are we able to display a cover of a book that was never published? I would suggest that the notes be reworked to indicate that a proof was done as evidence of the planned publication. We could replace the first two sentences with "The Bluejay Books imprint was dissolved late in 1986 just after an uncorrected proof for this planned edition was printed in September of that year." I would also recommend deleting the cover of the proof and rejecting the addition of an artist. I do worry that if we were to make an exception and allow a record specifically for an uncorrected proof when the book is never published, it would encourage the addition of other proofs and ARCs especially by those editors who surmise rules by examples of what is already in the database. If others think this should be a valid exception to allow records for proofs, then we should document it in the scope page as is done with ARCs offered for sale. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:00, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::: That sounds like a plan and the proposed change in the notes sounds fine to me - that will make it clear that the record is here because the book was announced and not because it had an ARC/uncorrected proofs done. I am at two minds about the cover - if it was announced with the book, recording it makes sense as it may help trace it to an artist later on and as it is part of the record after all. But other from that - I agree that we need to be careful not to confuse ARCs and unpublished books per se - although when a publication fails through often varies so there are ARCs out there for books that do not make it - that one being an example. Maybe all we need is to strengthen the language to specify that the exclusion is for books that end up being published - thus allowing the usecase we have here without a concern. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:06, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::::I agree that the pub record should stay because it falls under "announced but never published" and agree with Ron that the problem with it as it stands is that the pub note gives the impression that the record has been created for the proof, not the unpublished book. Ron's tweak to the pub note solves this problem.<br />
:::::Further notes and suggestions:<br />
:::::1) I agree that mentioning the proof in the pub note is a good idea. It is evidence that the book was announced.<br />
:::::2) I definitely think the cover image should be deleted. It should either be omitted or of the final cover. The latter assumes the publisher reached that stage and that we could find the image. All very unlikely. The cover image is more than just the artwork; it's also the colouring, wording, layout and typography and those aspects of the proof cover clearly wouldn't reflect the final version.<br />
:::::3) I would delete the OCLC/WorldCat External ID and just mention it in the pub note because it refers specifically to the uncorrected proof and not the unpublished final work.<br />
:::::4) I'm ambivalent about importing the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?950860 coverart record]. It's clear from the cover of the proof that Ron Walotsky was the intended artist so this falls under "announced but never published" but it would need a pub note explaining the source and why there's no image.<br />
:::::5) I'm broadly against making an exception for including ARC's / proofs when the book was unpublished although I do see Annie's point of view. But I think it's an unnecessary complication and veers back towards Ron's point about "encourage the addition of other proofs and ARC's especially by those editors who surmise rules by examples of what is already in the database" which is something I strongly agree we want to avoid. Also, if we do permit this exception, how do we implement it? Does it mean we would have two pub records: one for the unpublished work and one for the proof? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 07:46, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::I've gone ahead and change the notes as discussed above. I've also moved the Worldcat number and the cover into the notes so that it's clear the record is for the unpublished work and not for the proof. I'll reject the held edit. Let me know if someone disagrees with these changes. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:47, 12 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== N. Carroll ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?165703; The stories belong with the other Carroll but that ndp thing doesn't look right to me so maybe some other differing addition should replace it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:58, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Author attribution on the three stories, initially credited to Noël Carrol, has been corrected. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 07:57, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Thanks. I still think it's weird about that (ndp) because there's thousands of nom de plumes on ISFDB but this is the only one that has that added on the end of the name. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:28, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Well, we have some with (pseudonym) attached, and I'd think that'd be more meaningful (ndp isn't a colloquial abbreviation), or just a (I) attached. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:52, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::I don't think we should use any parentheticals if we can avoid it. Since we have the (I) thing we already use extensively, I think that would be the best option for any that are currently using "(pseudonym)" as a disambiguator. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:20, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::: There are reasons why I chose to set the author up as Noel Carroll (ndp). However, it's not worth our time to debate. I have changed it to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?373877 Noel Carroll]. Not sure that the standards imply that Roman numerals are the preferred dismbiguator. [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_separate_two_authors_with_the_same_name Here] is the applicable help section. Thanks for your interest, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:06, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Karen Simmons ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1117998; She's the wife of Dan Simmons, credited for author photograph in the HC which can be seen on eBay, [https://www.picclickimg.com/images/g/04sAAOSw1Mdltkv~/s-l1600.jpg], art is likely by one of the regular Headline cover artists, Chris Moore maybe, but I don't see a signature. So her credit should be removed. I noticed a 2nd printing of the Headline PB on Archive.org which has that same art (and price) but different blurbs on top and bottom so I'm going to enter that now. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:37, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:Hi! There's a primary verification by Faustus. It'd be meaningful if you contact him to shed some light on the actual credit. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:49, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Hi! There's no credit on the PB because there's no author photo like there is on the back of the HC. 2nd printing PB I just entered has no art credit. I'm sure someone here familiar with UK PB artists will identify it in some artist's book sooner or later but it's certainly not by Dan's wife. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:08, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Wesso ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5885644; Wiki says 1893. Anyone here who can find proof it's really 1894? I looked for a headstone but couldn't find one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:49, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Story about the Premiere of Rite of Spring ==<br />
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I'm looking for the short story (probably from 1970s) about recreating the experience of the premiere of The Rite of Spring by giving all of the audience members a new drug. I believe this was in one of the better short story annuals of the era.<br />
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Most of my book collection is in storage, alas, so I can't find this by leafing through my old pulp. {{Unsigned2|17:38, February 8, 2024| Martycohen36 }}<br />
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== Black Christmas ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?878255; While entering Wikipedia links for tons of novelizations I came across this rare 1976 one for the classic 1974 horror film. The original edition is apparently very rare because I've looked everywhere and can't find a copyright page that doesn't have the word FANGORIA on it because apparently Fangoria Magazine reprinted it in 2008 (although there is very little mention of this online). It does include the original info so I was able to enter the month (February, which is odd because you'd think it would be late in the year to capitalize on the holiday) but if anyone has a 1976 copy can you verify what it says on it? The film was Canadian and book says "Printed in Canada" so possibly it was only published there in which case the price will need a C added to it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:18, 9 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Riddle of the Exodus ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?185298; Not fiction, religious history book, https://openlibrary.org/works/OL8166080W/The_Riddle_of_the_Exodus?edition=key%3A/books/OL8566162M, probably should be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:30, 9 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Deleted. I question if the author of the religious book is the same author as of the BattleTech books. I couldn't find anything on the religious author's sites that connect him to the BattleTech books. I will ping the active verifier for the BattleTech book to see if there is an author blurb. If not (or it indicates it is a different author), I will remove the the current author info from {{A|James D. Long}}. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:31, 10 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Philfreund has confirmed the BattleTech book provides no biographical information on the author. I have removed the author info from {{A|James D. Long}} as it is more than likely a different person. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:28, 11 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Mutant Chronicles ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?250352; I replaced the cover; if anyone knows about the old one, whether it was an early one that was rejected or if it belongs to a different edition, a note about early art or a new record for the other edition if it exists would be good. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:09, 11 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Lieutenant Teasdale R.O.N. ==<br />
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I need to make several changes to the pub records for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3126730 Lieutenant Teasdale R.O.N.]. The tp edition has a sole PV by the late Biomassbob but he somehow missed showing that Paula Goodlett is the co-author of the work. Amazon also shows the pub date for that edition as 2023-12-07, not 2023-12-02 as currently shown in the pub record. The 12-07 date makes more sense since all of the other self-published books by Gorg Hoff and Paula Goodlett have the ebook edition published the day prior to the tp edition. Any objection to my making changes? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 12:21, 12 February 2024 (EST)<br />
: Mistakes happen :) Go ahead - make sure the notes clarify where the date is coming from. And while you are there, we do not use "Independently published" as a publisher - so can you also fix that (author names are used when there is no publisher). I will sort out the other 2 we have under that publisher later today. Thanks for finding this one! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:44, 12 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Done. I also corrected the title for the Interiorart maps record to match current standards. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:29, 12 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Locus1 Secondary Verifications ==<br />
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Occasionally I come across pubs that have been SVd to Locus1 solely on the basis of their mention as the first edition of a later publication. The first one I encountered, as a very rookie editor, was this one: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?197293 David Brin / Sundiver]. I asked the SVer, Rtrace, about it and received [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace/Archive15#David_Brin_.2F_Sundiver this explanation]. For the purposes of this thread I shall refer to these as "indirect listings".<br />
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The most recent one I have encountered is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?191929 David Gerrold / Chess with a Dragon] and it is this pub record that has prompted this thread because there is a clear contradiction between the SV to Locus1 and the pub note "Locus1 fails to list this pub (as of 2010-06-21)."<br />
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So my question is: should these indirect listings be allowed as SVs to Locus1? If I ruled the world I would not permit them because I don't think they conform to a general user's expectation of a Locus1 listing and they can cause confusion and inconsistencies as demonstrated by the Gerrold record. However, I do not feel strongly about this. I accept Ron's point that these indirect listings provide at least as much information as Clute/Nicholls and if the consensus is that they should be allowed then I can live quite happily with this.<br />
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However, if we do allow them then this Help page: [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Reference:Verification_Sources Reference:Verification_Sources] needs amendment. The matrix currently states that Locus1 provides "All" the information for fields such as Pages, Price and others but this is not true for the indirect listings. So either:<br />
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a) The relevant fields for Locus1 should be changed from "All" to "Some" (or maybe "Most").<br />
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b) A note should be added to the page explaining Locus1 indirect listings and clarifying that the values in the matrix for Locus1 only apply to full listings.<br />
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I prefer solution b).<br />
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Opinions please. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:38, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: An interesting point. So basically Locus1 has two types of records. One type covers editions published between 1984 and 2007 and includes publication details. The other type covers first editions (including editions published before 1984) and only lists their year and publisher. In an ideal world, we may want to create a separate Secondary Verification type for the latter and call it something like "Locus1-First Edition". Unfortunately, I am not sure it would be feasible since we have over [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/stats.cgi?2 50,000 Locus1 verifications] and separating them would be a very time-consuming project. If we decide not to do it, then I agree that we should update [[Reference:Verification_Sources]] to reflect the fact that not all Locus1-verified publication records can be expected to have publication level data.<br />
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: As far as cases like {{A|David Gerrold}}'s [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?191929 Chess with a Dragon] go, I would reword Notes. Instead of saying "Locus1 fails to list this pub (as of 2010-06-21)", I would say something like "Locus1 doesn't have a detailed record for this edition, but multiple records for reprint editions refer to it as the first edition." [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:48, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Yes, I realised when I started the thread that if we disallow the Locus1 indirect listings there could be a legacy issue of past records SVd to Locus1 that would be difficult to amend. This is often a problem when rules and standards are changed. So although in theory I would vote to disallow these cases, I accept it is not practical to do so. Consequently I am happy with leaving them as they are and updating [[Reference:Verification_Sources]] to reflect the fact that not all Locus1-verified publication records can be expected to have publication level data, which we both agree with.<br />
::I am working on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?191929 David Gerrold / Chess with a Dragon] and so will incorporate the change to the Locus1 pub note as you suggest. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:08, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Hearing no objection, I have clarified the "Locus1" row of [[Reference:Verification Sources]]. Thanks for identifying this issue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:12, 26 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::::Thank you. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:27, 2 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Necronomicon in Sweden ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=d+bergho&type=Name; First name likely misspelled by PV (or magazine it appeared in) and essay is in second name's record with a much earlier date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:47, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Garland Library of SF ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?8067; I made a couple of edits adding archived link, LCCN and cover image to Past Master when I noticed that there is 1 book in the series with a UK price and 1 without any price. So if anyone can fill in the missing one and add US one (moving UK to notes) for the other then everything will be uniform. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:44, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Lou J. Berger ==<br />
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The author has requested we change his canonical name from [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?186596 Lou J. Berger] to "Lou J Berger" (no period after the "J"). See mod note [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5878281 here]. Any objections? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:32, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Checking Amazon.com's Look Inside, I see that the name was spelled "Lou J. Berger" in 2013-2014 and changed to "Lou J Berger" in 2015/2016. By now the majority of the stories use the "Lou J Berger" form of the name, so it should be our canonical name. We just need to make sure that we use the right form for the transitional (2015-2016) period. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:05, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: Author attributions were reviewed and corrected resulting in compliance with the author's request. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:16, 17 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Locus on Microfilm ==<br />
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I recently added links to the handful of random print issues of Locus that are on Archive.org, one a very early issue and the others more recent, but I just stumbled on a huge cache of microfilmed 1973-2015 issues uploaded by MicrofilmIssueGenerator so I added a link, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5893289. Not sure if this is known about already but if not I'm sure it will come in handy here for research. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:39, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Server maintenance 2024-02-18 at 11am EST ==<br />
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== Sword of the Samurai ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5894874; I have owned a copy since the 1980s and PV it here in 2022, copy uploaded to Archive.org last summer but not added until a few days ago, I think I got the right page count but if anyone disagrees feel free to tweak it a bit, you don't have to ask me. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:41, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:I see a note in the UK edition's record here says [236] so I think they counted the illustration between the first 19 pages and the start of the novel itself. Should that count? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:44, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::I would count it one way or the other, either as part of the introductory material (so, technically on [20]) or as part of the main material. A page number on that first page of main text would have been a useful guide.... I found an eBay listing of the Puffin edition that has some interior photographs. Not of the page in question, but the TOC and other leading material looks identical to what Archive.org shows for the edition you have. Extrapolating that to content that follows it suggests Reginald did count that illustration as part of the main material. Given the [236] there, what I will do is tweak your count to [236] and add a note about the illustration's appearance relative to the text on the surrounding pages. Just trying to save you an edit cycle; feel free to adjust it to be however you prefer -- I do not mean to insist on anything. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:07, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::Sounds good, thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:18, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Bibliographic impact of the 2023 Hugo Awards ==<br />
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The current pre-release cover of {{A|Samantha Mills}}'s debut novel [https://www.amazon.com/Wings-Upon-Her-Back-ebook/dp/B0CVS2RDH8 ''The Wings Upon Her Back''] says "Nebula and Hugo Award Winner". On 2024-02-17 Mills disavowed the award and announced that she would have "Hugo winner" removed from future editions of the book:<br />
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* [https://samtasticbooks.com/2024/02/17/rabbit-test-unwins-the-hugo/ “Rabbit Test” unwins the Hugo]: ... on Tuesday I’ll send a very awkward email to my agent and editor summarizing the situation ... and figure out the logistics of removing “Hugo winner” from the ebook and future printings. The first print run will be a limited edition novelty, I suppose? Jeez.<br />
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This may not be an isolated occurrence since, as Samantha Mills wrote (among other things):<br />
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* On February 14, a report written by Jason Sanford and Chris M. Barkley was simultaneously released on the [https://jasonsanford.substack.com/p/the-2023-hugo-awards-a-report-on Genre Grapevine] and [https://file770.com/the-2023-hugo-awards-a-report-on-censorship-and-exclusion/ File770]. ... we also got a look at [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rhCwKLMydCto6HvXvcqjR553DqrhTfBu/view the validation list itself], aka the tables of frontrunner nominees being vetted for the final ballot, and a horrible pattern emerged, especially in the fiction categories: there were a whole lot of Chinese nominees in frontrunner positions who just… vanished, and never made it onto the final ballot. There were so many, in fact, that if I am reading this document correctly: ''not a single fiction winner'' (short story, novelette, novella, novel, or series) would have even been a finalist if those nominees hadn’t been taken off.<br />
* There’s an indicator of why in the apology letter from the admin who leaked the emails and validation tables: “We were told there was collusion in a Chinese publication that had published a nominations list, a slate as it were, and so those ballots were identified and eliminated.”<br />
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From our perspective, this means that we will need to:<br />
* Update the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?78890 “Rabbit Test” Award record] to indicate that the author disavowed the award, similar to how [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?9534 this award record] explains that {{A|Judy-Lynn del Rey}}'s posthumous "Best Professional Editor" award was refused by her husband {{A|Lester del Rey}}.<br />
* Keep an eye on [https://www.amazon.com/Wings-Upon-Her-Back-ebook/dp/B0CVS2RDH8 ''The Wings Upon Her Back''] to make sure that the correct covers are used for the first and any subsequent editions of the novel.<br />
* Be on the lookout for possible other announcements of authors disavowing 2023 Hugo awards.<br />
* Occasionally check "Worldcon Intellectual Property" announcements. On January 30, 2024 they issued [https://www.wsfs.org/2024/01/31/announcements-from-worldcon-intellectual-property/ a statement] censuring multiple people "for actions of the Hugo Administration Committee of the Chengdu Worldcon" and said that "There may be other actions taken or to be taken that are not in this announcement." If and when they make additional statements about the Hugos awarded at the 2023 Worldcon, we may need to update our records.<br />
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[[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:55, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Earlier today {{A|Adrian Tchaikovsky}} disavowed his 2023 Hugo award for Best Series on [https://adriantchaikovsky.com/ his Web site]. The [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?78915 award record] has been updated. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:56, 21 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::These notes are exactly the correct action for us, I think. If we had notes for an award year, it would probably be desirable to add something for the 2023 Hugos. Although, getting a properly neutral description of the controversy free of personal biases (and I have many in this instance), would be tricky. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:57, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: One of the challenges that the 2023 Hugos present is that it's still a developing story. What we knew 10 days ago is very different from what we know today. Perhaps we'll learn more in the future.<br />
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::: For example, back in late January I came across a re-post/translation of a Chinese fan's comments about the Hugos. The post stated that the fan had been involved in the Hugo process (committee member?) and that he or she had a conflict with Chinese members of the Hugo committee with various accusations flying back and forth. At the time I had trouble parsing the post, in part due to lacking context and in part due to the quality of the translation. In retrospect it may have been related to the following email sent by Dave McCarthy on June 7, 2023 at 6:18pm (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_QqmsxQkACoYcxSx2LVqbxD39-DJI_gS/view), which says:<br />
:::* Tomorrow I have a 4 hour meeting with my chinese counterparts to look at ballot detail and determine if any ballots are to be voided<br />
::: Perhaps either this fan or other members of the 2023 Hugo committee may clarify matters at some point. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:33, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: It would especially be useful to note that the nomination totals and the EPH points appear to be completely unreliable, since those are noted in each nomination award record. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:57, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: One thing that comes to mind is that we could change the way opening sentences are phrased. Instead of the current "1674 valid ballots cast, 944 valid ballots cast in category" we could say something like "According to the [https://www.thehugoawards.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/2023-Hugo-Award-Stats-Final.pdf voting statistics] released [https://www.thehugoawards.org/2024/01/2023-nominating-and-final-ballot-statistics-published/?ref=astrolabe.aidanmoher.com on 2024-01-20], there were 1674 valid ballots cast, 944 valid ballots cast in category". It's not much, but it would at least clarify which version of the stats our records use. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:20, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::::I've added your suggested text to the records in the Best Novel category. In addition to the ballot count at the head, I've also added it to the nomination numbers at the foot. I think it's more important there as that is where there is evidence of shenanigans. In any case, let me know if it looks good and I can update the remaining records or we tweak it if desired. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:26, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::::: Everything looks good, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:40, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: I recall that award year notes has been suggested before and there may be a feature request, though I suspect that how the award tables are structured may make this difficult. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:57, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Yes, indeed. {{FR|1086}}, "Change the award year field to a drop-down list", says "Create a new record type for award years. We can call it something like "award year" or "award ceremony". Once we have it, we will be able to add notes to award years. Notes can be used to specify when the awards were announced, when and where they were given, eligibility rules changes, etc." Unfortunately, as you said, it would be fairly time-consuming to implement. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:12, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: In any case, I do have one suggestion for the del Rey award record. We currently have the explanation of the non-acceptance of the award noted in the title field of what should be an untitled award. Perhaps we didn't have award level notes at the point that award was added. I feel that the verbiage in the title should be moved to notes and replaced with "untitled". --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:57, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: I agree. It's exactly as you said -- award records didn't have a Notes field back then. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:12, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::::I've updated [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?9534 this] and expanded the comment as a note taking my queue from Judy-Lynn's [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judy-Lynn_del_Rey Wikipedia article]. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:26, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::: Thanks. I have hyper-linked Lester del Rey's name and clarified that he was Judy-Lynn's husband. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:40, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Kater-Bound ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?22308; On all of the web there seems to be only 1 mention of Borgo Press and Kater-Bound together, https://www.lawrenceperson.com/?p=22429, although it does get a handful of hits in a text search, https://archive.org/search?query=%22kater-bound%22+%22borgo%22&sin=TXT&sort=-addeddate. This Archive.org page, https://archive.org/search?query=compton+farewell+bliss&sort=-addeddate, shows 2 editions with one being Borgo but with price on front covered and Kater-Bound sticker on back. Could this be the mysterious Borgo HC mentioned in the book's record? Also, the note about artist is wrong because he's credited on copyright page and back cover, the latter of which can be seen in the cover image. TP PV doesn't respond much so I'm asking on this board. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:09, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:The Archive.org copy is a library book, and Kater-Craft does library bindings. I believe it is not uncommon to have a retail hardcover edition and a library-binding hardcover edition of the same book. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 17:44, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Believe it or not, I have library hardcover versions of Ace Doubles. All should be listed in my opinion. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 01:00, 20 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Miriam Allen de Ford ==<br />
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Per the ''Spaces in Names'' subsection of [[:Template:PublicationFields:Author]], Miriam Allen de Ford should be standardized as {{A|Miriam Allen deFord}}. However, we have a {{A|Miriam Allen de Ford}} alternate name which was recently edited so the notes copy the rules saying it should be standardized. Instead, I propose we merge the alternate name to the canonical name in accordance with the rules. As there are a number of verified pubs, I will point the verifiers to the this discussion, If there are any objections, then we should probably have a Rules and standards discussions. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:28, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:I guess it would be like calling somebody named MacIntosh being called Mac Intosh. Still, I'll go with the majority. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 00:58, 20 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::No objection to merging, but I think the actual spelling of the name should be made clear in the notes. [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] ([[User talk:Linguist|talk]]) 04:06, 20 February 2024 (EST).<br />
:::No objection, I had three pubs, two in Croatian language I already corrected, but I have also one in Serbian language. In Serbian language names are written as they are pronounced, in this case same as written. Should I change this one as well? This is publication in question: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2277217 {{unsigned|Debolestis}}<br />
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== Ruben De Anda ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1476655; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2552505; Can anyone find proof that these are the same artists? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:45, 20 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:I don't know. But [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?107431 The Galaxy Primes] (Ace 1976) appears also to be signed by R. De Anda. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] ([[User talk:Horzel|talk]]) 08:52, 23 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Probably is but since last name is mostly covered it's hard to tell. PV Willem H. noted that it may be Rafael M. De Soto but I doubt it because he has no original cover credits on ISFDB after 1964 and this book is from 1976. There's a copy on Archive.org which I've added a link to in a PENDING edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:44, 23 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Steve Miller: RIP ==<br />
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For those who may not have seen an announcement, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?214 Steve Miller], co-author of the Liaden Universe, et al., died on February 20, 2024 at his home in Maine. His wife, author [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?418 Sharon Lee], posted [https://korval.com/2024/02/21/steven-richard-miller-1950-2024/ this obituary]. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:41, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:I added photo from FantLab which is a little bigger and shows his face better than Fantastic Fiction's photo. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:42, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Last User Activity ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?895338; What does this mean exactly? There was a question of contacting this PV RedDragonBooks about something related to a mod note I made and checking their page the last answer they gave or contribution they made was in spring of 2022 but the activity at the bottom of the record linked above says a few days ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:03, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:There are two databases: The wiki and the bibliographic database. What you see for User Contributions on their user/talk page is just their Wiki edits. What you see for Last User Activity in the verifiers' list is the date of their last activity in the bibliographic side -- the Wiki software does not know about that, only about the Wiki. That user did some verifications on 2024-02-18 but hasn't posted anything to the wiki in the past couple of years. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:56, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: Just a quick note to clarify that the software that displays the Last User Activity date checks both the Wiki side and the database side. It then displays the latest date that it finds. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:36, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Ermengarde Fisk = Evelyn E. Smith? ==<br />
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One of my friends pointed me at [https://www.fanac.org/fanzines/Oopsla/Oopsla10.pdf#view=Fit issue #10 of the 'zine Oopsla], specifically page 13. The "SHORT STORIES" section says:<br />
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Third goes to another brand-new author, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?1254 Evelyn E. Smith] ... is better known to fandom as the pseudonymous authoress of the "New York Letter" column in Slant--yeah, that's right, she's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?266764 Ermengarde Fiske].<br />
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As I don't know what the accuracy of fan writing was like nearly two decades before I was born, I don't know how reliable this info might be. Any objections to varianting these author records? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 13:49, 23 February 2024 (EST)<br />
: We already have a pseudonym there: Evelyn Smythe (intentional corruption of Evelyn Smyth E.?) which I think is based exactly on the note you cited above. I am not sure if we have enough evidence to connect the two Evelyn E. Smith's though - while very very likely, the name is not very uncommon. Maybe add some notes to both accounts until we find a better proof that the two are one and the same? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:50, 23 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Never mind, I looked at the fanzine itself now - you actually missed the smoking gun while quoting - that award over there is for a story that belongs to Evelyn E. Smith (Tea Tray in the Sky) - so yes, they are the same person. Connect them away. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:54, 23 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::: This is now done. Had a bit of a headscratcher with Ermengarde Fiske having its own alternate names, but I think everything is now correct, with all the authors pointing at Evelyn E. Smith as the canonical, and all of the title records having parent titles with that author record. However I wouldn't say no if someone wants to double check that everything is now as it should be. Thanks! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 13:44, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== J. Watson ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?224483; What do you suggest is best to add to differ 1966 Thunderbirds artist from Leading Edge writer/artist? He's on Wikipedia so I'll add that link (as Jim Watson). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:48, 24 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: See [[Help:How_to_separate_two_authors_with_the_same_name]] for ideas. Looks like "James Watson (1960s)" would work here and might be more helpful than "(I)". The situation is quite similar to the Jame Cooper examples given in that bullet. In light of the disparity in volume between their bibliographies, I think you could treat the James Watson from the 1980s as "more prominent/widely known in the Spec-Fic world" and leave it with no embedded disambiguation. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:04, 25 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::OK, thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:30, 25 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Tem Title ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?67830; Archived link to recently uploaded Chrysalis 9 HC just added by me in a PENDING edit, PV doesn't respond much, PB has one or two active PV so if they can verify it's Hit-and-Run there, too, not Hit-and-Miss, title should be changed. I vaguely remember asking about this long ago after noticing title was different in Tem's online bibliography. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:32, 25 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Hole of the Pit ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive53#Uncanny_Banquet_and_Leisure; Exactly a year-and-a-half ago I asked about Uncanny Banquet and noted the rare novel contained in it; a copy of the Oleander Press edition including the novel with a short story and a poem was recently added to Archive.org so I've added a link in a PENDING edit. Still waiting for a copy of that anthology to show up somewhere...anywhere. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:55, 25 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Series sort order? ==<br />
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I was looking at a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?2278 page for a series] and couldn't figure out the basis for the order of the sub-series. First come the numbered sub-series, in numerical order. Then the 'loose' items in chronological order. Then come the unnumbered sub-series, which are neither alphabetical or chronological by any of their contained titles. Is there a particular order to them? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 09:04, 28 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: The only order that the display software enforces is as you described above: all numbered sub-series are displayed first and the rest are displayed randomly. I think it would be fairly easy to display unnumbered sub-series alphabetically. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:36, 28 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: (after edit conflict) A more thorough review discovered that Summary pages were already sorting unnumbered sub-series alphabetically. I have adjusted the software to do the same on Series pages. Thanks for identifying the problem! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:36, 28 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::Since series tend to be written in order, displaying the unnumbered titles in chronological order may make more sense. Although, sub-series wouldn't have a date and extrapolating the date from the earliest contained title would be more complex. Perhaps, numbered items followed by unnumbered sub-series followed by everything else in chronological order. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:34, 28 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Could you please clarify what you mean by "items" in this case? Series may contain both title records and sub-series records. They use different, unrelated, numbering systems. For example, a series may contain 3 titles numbered "0.5", "1" and "2", as well as two sub-series numbered "1" and "2". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:36, 28 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::I intended items to mean both title records amd sub-series records, either of which may be numbered. What I was suggesting is that within a series (parent), each numbered item would display based on the numbering. In your example, there would be a conflict as there are both titles numbered "1" and "2" and sub-series numbered "1" and "2". Ideally, we would never assert that both a title and a sub-series should occur first in the parent series. Clearly, numbering only applies within the parent series. I believe that for numbered "items", I am not suggesting any changes to how things currently work. I had suggested a chronological sort for the remaining items based on your now corrected statement that they were displayed randomly. Given that we're already sorting alphabetically, it's probably fine to leave things as they are, unless others think a chronological sort would be preferable. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:13, 28 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== BattleTech Universe ==<br />
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The [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?1991 BattleTech Universe] series and it's sub-series all list having an Issue Grid, which suggests they are Serials / Magazines. They look like books to me. Is it a mistake in the software or entry? Might the existence of one Serial in the series propagate? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 09:12, 29 February 2024 (EST)<br />
: Yep - if there is one magazine series somewhere in the sub series inside of a bigger series, the whole set and any sunsets of it shows the grid links. It is how the software is built. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 10:00, 29 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: Good catch. {{Bug|842}}, "Extraneous 'View Issue Grid' links on series pages", has been created. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:15, 29 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Database Backup ==<br />
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Can you please save the database with InnoDB utf8mb4 so accented and Chinese characters will show up correctly? As it now with MyISAM utf8, Иван Константинович Айвазовский shows up as &#1048;&#1074;&#1072;&#1085;&#1050;&#1086;&#1085;&#1089;&#1090;&#1072;&#1085;&#1090;&#1080;&#1085;&#1086;&#1074;&#1080;&#1095; &#1040;&#1081;&#1074;&#1072;&#1079;&#1086;&#1074;&#1089;&#1082;&#1080;&#1081;. It makes it hard to work with the database and makes it a lot larger than it has to be. {{unsigned|Catpoolfan}}<br />
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: For historical reasons -- the ISFDB project started in 1995 -- ISFDB tables use "latin1_swedish_ci". You can see it if you run "SELECT TABLE_CATALOG, TABLE_SCHEMA, TABLE_NAME, TABLE_COLLATION FROM INFORMATION_SCHEMA.TABLES" in MySQL. Non-Latin-1 Unicode characters are stored in the database as HTML entities. When you see "&#1081;" (i.e. "&#1081") displayed, that's because that's what's stored in the database.<br />
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: There are plans to migrate from HTML entities to native Unicode, but it will be a major project with a number of dependencies. There is no ETA at this time. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:42, 1 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== I Stole You ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisheryear.cgi?60942+2017; A copy of Tripping... was recently uploaded so I added a link and the stories' numbers, there's also supposedly a copy of Ringman's collection but when I saw the red hardcover I knew that couldn't be right and it wasn't; it's a copy of some old romance novel by Jane Aiken Hodge. I checked all the usual sites but can't get contents page of TP so if anyone can or owns a copy fill in the page numbers if you wish. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:40, 1 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Mandarin ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5905095; Is anyone familiar with Mandarin paperbacks who can say why ISBN on back cover doesn't match any other Mandarin PB on ISFDB which (almost) all start with 0-7493? This book's ISBN, 0-09, seems to have been used by Cresset per online searching but there is no mention of them anywhere in it; a couple of Cresset Editions books on ISFDB do have an ISBN which starts with that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:14, 2 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Donkerste Dag ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5905146; Nico Richter has 1 credit on ISFDB for a German Neil Gaiman edition but here he's credited for design. Sheila Metzner is a famed artist and I don't know what Ortikol is so if anyone thinks any of them should be entered as cover artist they can do that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:12, 2 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Shadow Regions ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?295434; The woman who ran the publisher whose imprint put out this anthology, Tammy Perron, apparently was a crook who didn't pay most of the authors or even give some of them copies which is detailed in the link from Absolute Write that I added some time ago. In September 2023 some mysterious person uploaded a copy on Archive.org and it was finally added a few weeks ago (I stumbled on it completely by accident) so I've added a link in a PENDING edit along with the price and the stories' numbers. Maybe it was one of the authors using their own copy because this seems a very rare book with WorldCat not finding any copies; there's only 1 sad review on Goodreads where one of the authors crows about having a story in it...little did he know. According to ISFDB only 3 of the 20 stories have been reprinted since it came out nearly two decades ago so if anyone was interested in reading it you should do so because you never know if old Tammy may crawl out of the woodwork to have it taken down. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:55, 2 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Adam L. G. Nevill canonical name ==<br />
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I think it is time to swap the canonical name [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?134040 here] to Adam L. G. Nevill. Any objections? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:18, 4 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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: We have 8 book-length works as by {{A|Adam Nevill}} and 8 book titles as by {{A|Adam L. G. Nevill}}. All books published over the last 5 years have appeared exclusively as by "Adam L. G. Nevill". SHORTFICTION: 8 as by "Adam Nevill" and 27 as by "Adam L. G. Nevill".<br />
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: Given the numbers and the timeline, I think it's fair to say that "Adam L. G. Nevill" is the most recognizable form of his name within the genre as of 2024. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:19, 4 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Under-People ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3046564; https://archive.org/search?query=the-under-people&sort=-addeddate; No reason for this to be here, it's one of dozens of junk science "non-fiction" books by Norman/Steiger published back in the day. I think it should be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:52, 4 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Collection contents question ==<br />
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When adding contents to a collection which is authored using a variant name, if there is no indication to the contrary, should all the content titles be attributed to the variant author name and then be made a variant of the canonical author name titles if they do not exist? Example: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?804222 The Witching Hour]. The collection author is James Gunn. The copyright page shows the content copyrights as by James Gunn. The included content titles only exist as by the canonical name James E. Gunn. Should these be changed to being authored by James Gunn and then made into variants? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 09:28, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
: Yes. Remove the three fiction titles, add the three new titles and variant to the canonicals. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:57, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
::Done. Thanks.[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 11:05, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Hautala Covers ==<br />
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I was entering edits for Rick Hautala books, found Jacobus signature on Moon Walker so Tim Jacobus was entered as the artist; Little Brothers, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20465, has a name or initials on the lower right, can anyone find out who that is? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:45, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== ISFDB Server downtime -- 2024-03-06 at 6pm ==<br />
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The ISFDB server will be down for maintenance on 2024-03-06 between 6:00pm and 6:15pm EST. Both the database and the Wiki will be unavailable. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:13, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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: The server is back up. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:05, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Simulacrum ==<br />
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Tonight I accidentally ended up on the archived SpecFicWorld site which used to be a major hub of speculative fiction but seems to have entirely disappeared from the modern web (whatever you do, don't type specficworld.com on Google and click the link whose description is "Daftar Situs Agen Judi Slot Online Terpercaya Resmi 2023"; that will NOT lead you to what you're looking for). Only issue #9 of Simulacrum, edited and published by the guy who ran the site, Doyle Eldon Wilmoth, Jr., has an archived PDF link but while searching, as I usually do, for random text from an archived story on Google to try and find out if there are any modern sites that still include it I got one hit, the late Tanith Lee's site daughterofthenight.com, because that issue included a reprint of a story by her from Interzone Magazine. That led me to this, https://archive.org/details/@zatoichi01?query=simulacrum&sort=title, which, according to Galactic Central, is the entire 14-issue run. I rarely enter magazines but any self-moderators who don't have to wait for approval can probably do these quickly without much trouble since the contents are a mixture of reprints which will need importing and originals (or at least they're not on this site). There are many well-known authors and artists included. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:59, 7 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:I'll take a look at it and see what I can do. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:48, 8 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:I have through issue 10 entered. I'll finish up with the remaining four later. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:35, 8 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:I've entered all 14 issues now. You can see them [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?72797 here]. I did not combine the years into editor series because there are only 14 issues so leaving them all separate makes it easier to get to them (one less click-through). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:32, 12 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== Neglected moderation ==<br />
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Last time I changed something in ISFDB it took days to get a single non-controversial change accepted with hundreds of pending changes. Now it takes weeks with thousands of pending changes. When looking a the recent changes I see lots of self acceptance and accepted automatic changes, but only little moderator activity.<br />
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Remembering that it takes at least 4 or 5 rounds to add all information for a translated book that amounts to waiting multiple months for a single book.<br />
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If you don't want contributors anymore then say so clearly! ATM I'd wonder if you find people sticking with ISFDB for a longer time with that situation.<br />
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To give you an indication how this should go: I added a new word to Wiktionary, it took 4 minutes for first reaction and 1:15 to reach the final entry.<br />
--[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 16:31, 8 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Longer approval times have definitely been a problem lately. Currently we have 1976 pending submissions, 1137 of them by [[User:Username]] (many are straightforward additions of archive.org links to publication records), 124 by [[User:Fixer]] (a robot account) and the remaining 715 are by other editors.<br />
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: That said, the ISFDB editing process is very different from what Wikipedia and its offshoot projects use. The latter are much easier to edit, but the quality of the end product varies tremendously. I wrote/rewrote dozens of Wikipedia articles in the mid-2000s, but eventually concluded that trying to keep articles accurate and coherent was going to be prohibitively time-consuming. I occasionally peek to see what has happened to them and their current state is pretty bad. For example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mensheviks is full of confused nonsense.<br />
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: We added the ability to self-approve a few years ago and we are slowly expanding the number of editors who can do so. Hopefully it will help matters going forward. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:56, 8 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: Well, my request to do so was simply ignored. --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 10:10, 16 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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::: Nominations require support from other editors/moderators before they can be approved. If a nomination doesn't gain enough support, it is not approved. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:01, 16 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== Heide Oberheide ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?127989; I left a PV a note telling them that a T. Canty credit for Parke Godwin's novel Beloved Exile was actually by Oberheide so that will need fixing but another problem I found is that her page at The Paperback Palette says she was born in Canada in 1957, both very different than what ISFDB says. So does anyone know what the real info is? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:48, 9 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:Found [https://www.heritage.nf.ca/articles/arts/heidi-oberheide.php this] and [https://www.arts.wa.gov/artist-collection/?request=record;id=2193;type=701 this], which both agree on 1943 and Germany and have enough differences that neither seems to be the source for the other. They both strike me as fairly authoritative, especially that first one. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:23, 10 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== Tales of Terror ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291626; I added a link to the back cover image on Bookscans in a PENDING edit and noticed there are some copies on eBay which show the first page, 5, with "The Facts in the Case of M. Valdemar" as a title, which means this shouldn't really be a novel but rather a collection of Poe stories adapted by Sudak. Does anyone own a copy who can verify the page numbers of the other stories so they can all be entered? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:13, 13 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== Cover artist data entry rules updated ==<br />
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Please note that the "Artist" section of [[Template:PublicationFields:CoverArt]] has been updated to reflect current practices. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:02, 14 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== The Message ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1471825; Obscure author and publisher but not obscure enough that it didn't get a Chinese translation, https://archive.org/search?query=brockman-robin&sort=-addeddate, in case anyone fluent wants to enter that; just don't title it The MASSAGE like the uploader did. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:37, 14 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== YouTube audiobooks in or out? ==<br />
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I've placed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5852793 this submission] on hold because I'm unsure if YouTube audiobooks should be included here since they are generally not downloadable (instead being streamed). The [[ISFDB:Policy#Rules of Acquisition|rules]] include audiobooks, but also exclude "[w]orks published in a web-based publication and available exclusively as a Web page" (which is pretty much what a YouTube video is), and they say nothing about podcasts. Thoughts? Should this be a [[RS|Rules and standards]] discussion? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:42, 20 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
: They are out under the exclusion as they are not downloadable. However we need to extend the Audio-book section of the inclusion section to match the ebooks/electronic publication one above it a bit - especially around podcasts which are not considered magazines for example. So maybe starting a discussion to clarify what audio-materials we want to index is the best choice (while keeping that one on hold until we decide what we want to do) :). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:09, 20 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
::Okay, moved it [[ISFDB:RS#Clarifying the Audiobooks entry|over there]]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:33, 20 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== Barcodes with prices hiding in plain sight ==<br />
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A lot of printed books have prices on their back covers hiding in plain sight. If you look at a barcode on the back cover, next to the ISBN, usually over the smaller barcode next to the ISBN one, there is a number sequence - for example 51595 or 51699. That means $15.95 / $16.99 (5 is the code for $, the rest is the price). The first example is from a book I pulled from my shelf (not genre), the second is from [https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0982095031 an Amazon book]. As back covers are very often visible in Amazon (separately or as part of Look Inside), that may help with adding prices (with an appropriate note) even when Amazon and other retailer have their own ideas on what the price may be (or at the very least it can serve as a confirmation for the Amazon price). It is not there for all books (90000 is a very common code up there) but for the books that have it, it is as good as the old printed prices. <br />
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I propose to add this tidbit of information to the [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Price Price field help]. Meanwhile, I am leaving it here for information :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:21, 20 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:Good idea to add this to the Help. I have sometimes used this for prices. You might like to expand the note to explain other currencies. The smaller 5 digit barcode is the supplementary section of the barcode and contains a EAN-5 code. The first of the five digits is a currency code. If the first digit is 9, that means the supplementary section does not contain price information. It's explained in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EAN-5 this Wikipedia article]. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:28, 20 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:: Yep - we should add all the codes when we are adding the note to the help page. Thanks for the link to the Wiki page - I knew it was there, I did not think to look it up earlier today :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:41, 20 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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::: I agree that adding a section about EAN-5 codes to [[Template:PublicationFields:Price]] would be useful. We could list the commonly used first digits:<br />
:::* 0 and 1 -- UK<br />
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:::* 4 - New Zealand<br />
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::: and explain special pseudo-price values, i.e. that "9999" means "100.00 or more" while "90000" means "no price given". We could then link to the Wikipedia article or an industry Web page for other scenarios. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:06, 20 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== Webzines to include? ==<br />
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Hello. I have two new pub submissions on hold as they pertain to new webzine entries. Do we want to include these?<br />
* Small World City: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5776649], [https://smallworldcity.com/ website].<br />
* Kalpabishwa: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5884972], [https://www.kalpabiswa.in/ website].<br />
Looking through the contents, I say we can include those. Not sure how long-lived these are going to be though... Comments/suggestions from other editors & moderators whether to include or not? (didn't look for past discussion where webzine inclusions were debated...) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 15:35, 21 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
: Both produce issues and both are genre -zines. So they are eligible under the "Webzines, which are defined as online periodicals with distinct issues (note that online periodicals without distinct issues are not considered webzines)." rule. How long they survive is irrelevant - even if they produce a single issue, they are in. However, these records will need some massaging post approval :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:41, 21 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:: Thought so. The help text says to post and query the editor community - we may want to update that and instead clarify that if a webzine has distinct issues, it is in by default? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 16:09, 21 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
::: Probably an oversight (we forgot it was there?) after we changed the ROA awhile back to include these. Which of the help pages? <br />
::: PS: Note that awhile back we even dropped the requirement for the webzine to be genre allowing non-genre ones to be added as any other non-genre periodical (with only genre contents indexed). So yep - a webzine with issues is always in under the genre magazine rules or the non-genre periodical ones. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:22, 21 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:::: [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Format Here] - see '''webzine''' in that section. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 11:00, 22 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
::::: Ah, the one place I did not look at. :) Yep - that needs an update. I will start a discussion so we can get the language crafted. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:08, 22 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
::::: [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Formats_help_pages Here we go] - the proposed new language. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:26, 22 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:::: [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Rules_of_Acquisition Rules of Acquisition] has it as you mention above - we may want to add non-genre periodicals role there explicitly. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 11:00, 22 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
::::: We do not have them called out in the print periodicals section either but if you think we should clarify that across the board, I won't object. Let's finish the audio-formats discussion we are currently having about changes in the same section of the ROA over in R&S and then I will initiate a discussion about this. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:08, 22 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:::: As an aside, I must say that I couldn't find the ROA immediately - I think it is an important section of the rules. Shouldn't we be adding a link on the main help page? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 11:00, 22 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
::::: I know to look under Policy but you are right, it needs to be a lot more visible [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page here] - either as a sublink under the ISFDB Policy link or on its own in the same section. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:08, 22 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
::::::I've added a specific link to it on [[Help:Contents]], which is found at the top of most help pages. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:18, 22 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== ISFDB:Verification requests ==<br />
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The [[ISFDB:Verification requests]] board is not used much anymore. It seems [[ISFDB:Help desk]] and this board have pretty much supplanted it. Do we want to discontinue it? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:17, 22 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
: How about we can turn it into a broader board instead: "Assistance needed/Project Assistance Required/Something along these lines" for example - when an editor starts a project and notices other things that need adding/fixing or finds a source that may be useful and is unable/unwilling to work through it, they can request assistance there. Looking at CS, about half of the posts there in the last couple of years are from that nature and they choke the actual discussion threads and make it very hard for people to notice that something was posted in the discussions. It will be the counter-part of the Help Desk - come to the Help Desk if you want help getting the work done and learning how to do it; come to this board to post a project that needs work but you cannot/don't want to work on. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:59, 22 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
::I'd be fine with that. I agree this board has gotten rather full lately, making it hard to keep track of things. So maybe change the title to [[ISFDB:Assistance requests]] or something? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:11, 22 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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::: I like the idea. "Assistance requests" may be a bit too narrow for what we are trying to define, but it's the closest that I can think of at the moment. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:46, 22 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:::: I like "Assistance Requests". If we ever come up with a better name, we can rename and forward. And we have the text under it to add a sentence that describes the scope better. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:53, 22 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
::::: "Help Wanted" ? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 09:47, 23 March 2024 (EDT)</div>
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== PVR ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=rosenkr&type=Name; Palie von is actually Palle von per contents page photo online, novel is not genre from what I can gather online, Palle Rosenkrantz story is not genre per online reviews, neither really belong here, didn't notice this until I'd already entered bio info for Rosenkrantz, cancelled my edit, I think both names should be deleted, probably other contents from 1960 omnibus and Martin Edwards anthology are not genre and should be removed, too (there's a note in the anthology's record mentioning this). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:30, 2 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Rageot ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=rageot&type=Publisher; I have a PENDING edit fixing/adding stuff re: someone else's recent edit for a book published by Rageot and I noticed ISFDB has records for that name which was on the title page and the longer name, Rageot-Éditeur, which was on the copyright page. So really all books should probably be merged under one name. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:30, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Science Fictional Solar System ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?32159; The UK HC & book club editions say Martin H. Greenberg on their cover, 2 eBay copies of book club don't show title page, does anyone own either edition who can verify what his name is on title page? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:28, 4 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Brad Steiger Stories ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5805263; I didn't change the dates of Steiger's stories but I think they're both wrong. "Detroit", being a variant title, should have the date of this anthology, I think, and "Huntsman" should have a 1966 date as copyright page says. Am I right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:01, 5 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Yes, titles are dated per first appearance of that form of the title. Updates made. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:51, 5 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Amazon WEBP Images ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_frontimage&O_2=contains&TERM_2=w%2Fwebp&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication]; After I replaced one a few days ago and another one today I did a search and it seems most (all?) of the images with the weird URL Amazon switched to for a while are now broken. Is there a batch fix or will they have to be changed one by one (there's several hundred)? Most are not PV. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:09, 5 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I see what you mean. There are 806 affected publication records, 30 of them primary-verified. I could create a script to change the URLs of the unverified pubs, then we could ask the primary verifiers to check their pubs. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:25, 5 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: I'm sure you've already got something that could be repurposed for this, but if not:<br />
:: https://github.com/JohnSmithDev/ISFDB-Tools/blob/master/tools/submit_edits_via_api.py<br />
:: You would need to update get_bad_pub_records() to pick up the affected records - plus any additional check to not pick up verified pubs - and the regex to fix them in the first line of generate_pubdate_imagefix()<br />
:: Then 'uncomment' the PUB_COVER_EDITS code in the __main__ section. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 05:01, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: There have been quite a few scripts to mass change URL structures over the years, e.g. [https://sourceforge.net/p/isfdb/code-svn/HEAD/tree/trunk/scripts/amazon_urls_to_https.py this one from 2022]. I plan to use it as a template later today. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:17, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::I was adding an Amazon author image for Maggie Allen and the URL is weird so I did a search, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=author_image&O_1=contains&TERM_1=m.media-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FW&C=AND&USE_2=author_canonical&O_2=exact&TERM_2=&USE_3=author_canonical&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=author_canonical&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=author_canonical&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=author_canonical&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=author_canonical&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=author_canonical&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=author_canonical&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=author_canonical&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=author_canonical&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Author], and these are also broken. I don't know if the batch will fix these, too. EDIT: This URL was fine, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5806113, which I got by searching for Amazon and the author's name in Google Images; however, on the author's Amazon page, https://www.amazon.ca/-/fr/Maggie-Allen/e/B00DXZNLOG, the URL is the broken one. I don't know what's up with all this but I'm sure someone else does. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:13, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: I have now manually fixed the "WEBP" author URLs. All but 2 were broken. Removing the "WEBP" part fixed all of them, although a few were "S" images, so they will be caught by the cleanup reports when they next run. I think it's safe to say that we should be able to removed "WEBP" from the affected cover scans programmatically. I'll work on it later today. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:13, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::Thanks. I added an image to Maxwell Alexander Drake's record and of the 4 images on his Amazon page (I think at least some people must be aware by now that only certain regional Amazon pages display all author images at the moment in the scroll bar or whatever it's called, Amazon.com and many others just show the main photo, and they seem to be getting fewer and fewer as time goes by; I find Amazon Canada and Amazon France are still good) 2 are WEBP and 2 are regular; it figures that the one I had to use wasn't as good as the others. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:33, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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=== Outcome -- WEBP images converted ===<br />
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All 806 "WEBP" images have been converted. Please let me know if you come across any issues. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:17, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== St. Martin's The Light Fantastic ==<br />
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https://colinsmythe.co.uk/terry-pratchett/discworld/discworld-novels/light-fantastic/; I was doing some edits for the few St. Martin's editions of Terry Pratchett's novels and I think this last one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?43074, doesn't exist. It should probably get the unpublished code for the date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:46, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Untouched by Human Hands ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5806259; Actual price was a bit different than what Tuck supposedly said but since Bluesman is gone if anyone else has the Tuck book and it really says 12/- then a note about difference on flap can be added after my edit is approved. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:38, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
: There is a price shown here: www.ebay.com/itm/115568098201 [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 22:07, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Faerie Tale ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=faerie-tale&sort=title&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22&and%5B%5D=firstTitle%3AF; While doing an edit for Raymond E. Feist (adding a note that he was born Gonzales, not Feist, and fixing his day of birth) I saw that, despite the dozens of editions of his great horror/fantasy novel Faerie Tale the only one archived is a Doubleday Book-of-the-Month Club edition which isn't on ISFDB! Open Library claims there are 2 previewable copies but whichever edition the other one was, it's gone now. So if anyone has one of those club indexes or wherever people get the dates/ID # from, you may want to enter this edition so at least there'll be one copy people can read easily. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:26, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:I've added the BOMC edition [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?978095 here]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:23, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Alan Burns ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?18958; I added cover image to Dreamerika a while ago and today added archived link to US Babel edition; SFE says "Babel" in New Worlds is an excerpt so I've added that word to the title. The issue now is SFE thinks all the other short stories are by a different Alan Burns (and probably the poems and essay, too). Does anyone know for sure? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:31, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Connecting books in an unnamed series ==<br />
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I'm currently adding two books where one is the sequel to the other, yet they are not part of a named series. Should I still add series to them (and if so what should I call it), or should I only make a not about it in the title note? /[[User:Lokal Profil|Lokal]][[Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil|_]][[:User talk:Lokal Profil|Profil]] 14:34, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:What are the books? Can you provide a link to them? Or have you not added them yet? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:52, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: One thing that we often do when two or more titles -- or two or more series -- are part of a larger, unnamed, setting is create a new series (or super-series) and use the word "universe" in its name. One example would be the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?42997 Baba Yaga Universe]. It contains 2 sub-series and one collection. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:05, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::: This is only two books {{t|3244057|Domens dag}} and {{t|978127|Råttorna}}. Calling it a universe feels a bit like giving it more credit than it is due =) /[[User:Lokal Profil|Lokal]][[Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil|_]][[:User talk:Lokal Profil|Profil]] 18:01, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: Hi! If you can't find a naming of the series or a general theme, I'd suggest to use in this case the title of the first novel, like it was done for the two novels in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?34751 this series]. (The second link you provided leads one to a piece of interior art ;-) ) Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:48, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::: If the two novels do share the same main character, there'd be the additional possibility to name the series after it, like it was done [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?19161 here]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:10, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::: Thanks for the many suggestions! I'll go with the ''title of the first novel'' suggestion as the main characters are not given a last name (if memory serves) and Peter & Anna is way to generic =). Appologies for the erroneous second link (that was the pub-id not the title-id), the intended one is {{t|3244058|Råttorna}}. /[[User:Lokal Profil|Lokal]][[Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil|_]][[:User talk:Lokal Profil|Profil]] 16:53, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pied Pipers ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1428017; I left Chavey a message about a city missing in their note about imprint on title page of Routledge edition (which I'd just added an Archive.org link to) but later saw that there was a more pressing problem; the title was wrong, missing a word and misspelling another. I later added another note about Warne edition also likely being wrong based on cover image. Looking further, I think the other 2 editions also have the wrong title; Rand McNally 1937 edition (Chavey's note says 1927, that may be yet another mistake) is on Archive.org and it says The Pied Piper of Hamelin on title page while there's no edit history for Harrap edition but notes are in Chavey's style. Problem is Chavey hasn't responded to any messages since May of last year. Any suggestions? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:28, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Their last activity in the database was on 2023-11-04, so only a few days ago. I suggest giving it a little more time for them to respond to the questions. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:33, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Geta ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?17102; I added a link to 1984-00-00 in a PENDING edit; 1985 2nd printing was edited by Hauck, hater of ISFDB, while RTrace cloned the 1984-06-00 but that date can't be right because the price is higher than 1985. There are 2 identical notes about name of publisher in 1984-00-00 and 1985 but neither was edited by the same person/people so some cloning/copying happened there, too. So publisher should either be Granada or Panther / Granada for all 3 and 1984-06-00 should either have a new date or all 0's for unknown; it also says TP, not PB, and likely has the same cover as the others so cover artist should be imported. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:48, 9 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Arthur Barker Edition of The Restaurant at the End of the Universe ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5809217; No idea why that obviously incorrect cover artist data was approved by a mod but I removed Kay and the word "Illustrations" from Litherland's credit. I assume the Amazon cover is the correct one because there's a few non-Amazon sites that show the same cover for that ISBN but the problem is Open Library has a 1985 date for the Arthur Barker edition (the only one out of 85 editions) but editor here has 1980 and ISFDB page for that publisher ends in 1980. This edition seems rare so if anyone owns it can you check to make sure date, price, page count (Open Library says 188, not 187), etc. are correct? I left PV a message but they don't seem to answer any questions. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:01, 10 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Letter From A Teddy Bear On ? ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:J-Sun#Letter_from_a_Teddy_Bear_on_Veteran.27s_Day; I doubt this editor will respond so if anyone else wants to say what the right way to do this is, chime in. I could have sworn this discussion took place much earlier but I see it was only last December and yet I added some weird image to my message, which I don't do, so not sure why I did that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:46, 10 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Varianted. Most common version used as parent per standard. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:26, 10 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Who Is Lewis Pinder? ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?976273; MLB recently PV Signet PB and I just replaced faded Amazon cover with nice Bookscans cover but I can't find a cover for the HC anywhere. If anyone else can, can you upload it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:29, 10 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Request to add German fantastic literature price: ==<br />
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Hi all, <br />
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after adding the German "DSFP" award, I would like to add now the "Phantastikpreis der Stadt Wetzlar", another German fantastic price:<br />
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Translation: The “Fantasy Prize of the City of Wetzlar” has been awarded since 1983. The prize is a literary prize endowed with 4,000 euros and is awarded annually for a novel. The prize honors works from all types of fantasy, from magical realism to fantasy science fiction, utopia and horror. Particular emphasis is placed on the fact that the fantastic element - similar to Goethe's “Magician's Apprentice” - also allows real life connections to appear in a new light. The prize is awarded by the city of Wetzlar in cooperation with the Wetzlar Fantastic Library. The jury consists of literary experts from Wetzlar and the surrounding area who have a close connection to fantastic literature.<br />
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Source (in German): https://www.phantastik.eu/ausschreibungen-und-preise/phantastikpreis-der-stadt-wetzlar.html<br />
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Forgot to sign it: [[User:Jannis|Jannis]] ([[User talk:Jannis|talk]]) 08:39, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I do think it should be perfectly eligible. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:06, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: I agree that it appears to be eligible. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:41, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Hearing no objection, I have created a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?115 new Award Type] and an Award Category for this prize. Please let me know if there are any issues with the new records, otherwise have fun entering the awards :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:54, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: Thats great! Thanks a lot Ahasuerus, I will add the books & authors of last winners of this price, and later link the price to their works. [[User:Jannis|Jannis]] ([[User talk:Jannis|talk]]) 05:16, 18 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pro Se ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=pro+se&type=Publisher; If anyone knows whether these are all by the same publisher some altering to bring them under the same publisher name would be helpful. They publish pulp-style stuff in all genres; neither of the books on Archive.org, https://archive.org/search?query=pro-se-press&and%5B%5D=year%3A%222016%22, are on ISFDB, Sushi Bar... likely has some genre-related stories, probably other eligible books by them out there. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:46, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: If memory serves, I used Amazon's Look Inside to look into "Pro Se" publishers/publication series at one point. Their books used a number of different forms of attribution and I couldn't figure out the logic behind it. Someone would need to do more digging to sort it all out. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:55, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Cyrano and Jules Verne ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=airborne+alan-c; I added 2 anthologies recently, imported genre stories into Skyriders in a PENDING edit, imported 3 genre stories (Kipling, T. L. Thomas, O'Flaherty) into Airborne but there's a couple of ancient excerpts (?) that are a problem. The Cyrano title doesn't match the one on ISFDB and there is no such title by Verne here. Searching for Verne title online only got 1 hit, https://www.mwbooks.ie/pages/books/307419/alan-c-jenkins/airborne-compiled-by-alan-c-jenkins, an Irish bookseller's page for Airborne. Typing a line of text from Verne's story got nothing online. I doubt this book found some long-lost Verne story so I assume it's just a novel excerpt. Does anyone know? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:41, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Anna's Archive has a downloadable copy. According to the Acknowledgements page, the Cyrano title is a "passage from Other Worlds by Cyrano de Bergerac, translated by Geoffrey Strachan". The Verne title is a "passage from ''From the Earth to the Moon'' by Jules Verne, translated by Jacqueline Baldick". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:15, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: The submission has been approved. The two titles discussed above have been added. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:38, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bellows ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?97465; I added FantLab photo in a PENDING edit, findagrave.com says Jeffrey, not Jeffery, and has "Kent" in quotes like it's a nickname but the grave says Kent Bellows, and what does the G. stand for? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:24, 14 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bizarrocast ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=title_webpage&O_1=contains&TERM_1=bizarrocast&C=AND&USE_2=title_title&O_2=exact&TERM_2=&USE_3=title_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=title_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=title_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=title_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=title_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=title_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=title_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=title_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=title_copyright&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Title]; I was going through the old horror webzine Rosewort, adding links (yes, I found ANOTHER D. F. Lewis story, "Aspen"), and the Ken Goldman story "Going Potty" had a dead link. Then I noticed that the Bizarrocast link in that story's record leads to a log-on page because the original site is gone, but the archived site hardly has any archived pages; I tried one from 2013, "How the Isle of Cats Got Its Name", and after waiting a long time for the page to load all I saw was Arabic (?) writing so even that seems to have been captured after the site was already dead. My link above searched for all title webpages with Bizarrocast in their URL and there's quite a few so if anyone knows whether there's a new site, say here. Otherwise, all those links should probably be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:16, 14 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Book storage and moving boxes ==<br />
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When I packed my book collection for an interstate move last year, I mostly used the 1 cubic-foot book boxes sold by U-Haul. There were a total of about 135 boxes. I have just finished unpacking the last of them and no damage occurred to any of the books. I particularly liked that they stacked nicely and were easy to hold onto while moving them around. They were especially useful for moving and storing paperbacks. Since there always a need to put some books into storage, I recommend using these boxes. Cheers! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 17:16, 14 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bloodlust and Fangers ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?118655; Today I was adding links to any stories on the old Bloodlust-UK horror site that are on ISFDB and they seem to have redesigned the site some time after 2005 because there were a couple of links that had different URL's for the same stories. I did get quite a few links, including at least one that was published earlier on Bloodlust than what the note on ISFDB says and two by the same author that were supposedly original to one of her collections but were actually published on Bloodlust more than 10 years earlier, and was feeling pretty good about all that until tonight when I decided to see if the authors who got links had any other stories online nowadays, non-archived, and while looking for stories by Denise Sodaro this site came up, https://fangersinc.wordpress.com/tag/short-stories/, where they dumped most/all of the original site's stories without any note that I can see that these stories are nearly 2 decades old. I nearly cried at how much faster I could have added links from Fangers instead of trawling through the old site. Anyway, it seems they were collected in some recent Fangers anthologies; I feel bad for people paying money for these old stories that mostly shouldn't have been published the first time when online editors were hungry for content and would accept almost anything. However, there is one thing that could lead to something interesting; this guy, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?118655, seems to have plagiarized at least one story, "Jumpers", which I added a note to some time ago with an explanation of who actually wrote the story. His other ISFDB story is in an anthology that I read via Interlibrary Loan years before I was an editor here and I can't remember a word of it so no way to tell if that's original. Bloodlust had a story by Michael Steinberg, "Life, or Something Like It", but this Fangers site calls him M. O. Steinberg even though he was already using the M. O. name back when the original site was active so why he went by Michael is anyone's guess. I typed a line of text from "Life..." on Google but got no hits so I'm not sure if it's original or another plagiarism. So if anyone owns the anthology Dreaming of Angels and can read Steinberg's story or reads "Life..." and recognizes it as being by someone else, can you let us know? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:11, 16 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Mark Powers - two different people ==<br />
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Currently for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?22424 this author] we have a bunch of UK juvenile titles, and some Jim Butcher/Dresden Files comics. I'm reasonably sure these are two different people: [https://www.theshawagency.co.uk/mark-powers here] is the agency page for the former, and [https://www.simonandschuster.com/authors/Mark-Powers/202304451 here] a publisher page for the latter, with neither page acknowledging the other work.<br />
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Unless anyone objects, I propose to split these off, probably making the second one "Mark Powers (comics)" unless there are better suggestions. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 13:54, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:I agree. [https://dresdenfiles.fandom.com/wiki/Mark_Powers This] is a page showing a pic of the ''Dresden'' comics writer. Definitely not the person shown in the two Twitter/X profiles on our author page. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:00, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:: The Dresden Files comics should now all be switched over to the new author record. Thanks for confirmation! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:59, 19 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Twitter changed to "X/Twitter" ==<br />
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I am seeing more and more references to "X" instead of "Twitter". I have changed the way third party links appear on bibliographic pages from "Twitter" to "X/Twitter" to reflect this. It's a trivial change, so we can always tweak it again if the name changes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:46, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Darrell Awards ==<br />
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https://web.archive.org/web/20120908050157/http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~timgatewood/sf/darrell/DarrellWinners_Categories_96to12.pdf; I came across that while looking for something else entirely and since some here like entering new awards and this doesn't seem to be on ISFDB I thought I'd link it in case anyone wants to enter it if it's eligible. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:49, 19 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Final Frontier Cover ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?13334; I noticed there was a Greg and Gregory Brodeur here, made Gregory an alternate, made variant of one of his essays and merged 3 into 1 for the other essay (a variant will need to be made of that result after, I think), noticed 1st printing of Final Frontier '88 US PB was on Archive.org so added a link, finally noticed BORIS VALLEJO is credited for a foreign edition but not for any of the others even though they have the same art, Bluesman who was PV of 2 editions is long gone so if active PV of US PB agree with PV, Welo, that added art (they didn't mention where they got it in their notes) then cover credit can be added to all with date of US PB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:00, 19 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:The German translation states Boris Vallejo as cover artist on the copyright page. But, i wouldn't take this as given for every other release without another source to verify. At the time the german publishers weren't the reliablest for infos on the copyright pages, they had sometimes wrong infos (copied from previous pubs, but not correct). I've stumbled over a few wrong ones over time. [[User:Welo|Welo]] ([[User talk:Welo|talk]]) 12:31, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== SFWA Bulletin ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?951170; I was doing Bruce McAllister edits and there's 1 Bruce McAllaster credit here (along with a correct spelling elsewhere in it) but SFWA.org says McAllister so probably a misprint by PV. Also, Gatherng should be Gathering, Nores should be Notes, etc. If anyone can see a real copy all of those can probably be fixed. I assume there are many other mistakes in the other issues of this bulletin since the same PV worked on most/all of them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:11, 20 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Book of Ballads Dates ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Ofearna#Book_of_Ballads; Does anyone agree with me that the 2004 contents should be November instead of October? They say they're original to this book in their notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:39, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Lecrivain ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=the+last+swan+prince&type=All+Titles; 2017 zine has no period after the C in her name, 2020 webzine does, story's title page will need to be seen to determine if 2017 really doesn't have it, then there should be a merge or a variant. Her other story in that zine doesn't have a period, either, according to ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:25, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ormazoids ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5816628; Since PV is deceased if anyone wants to add/fix anything mentioned in my note to mod, feel free. EDIT: Seems logical UK edition would have been first for a Who book so title date should probably be 1986-00-00 unless anyone can determine exact UK date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:56, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Patterns of the Fantastic II ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=%22patterns+of+the+fantastic%22&sort=title; Copyright page says December 1984, title page says 1986 in roman numerals, ISFDB says May 1985. If anyone knows what's the deal here they may want to add the link where appropriate and fix dates if needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:22, 23 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:The title page date is on a sticker that has been applied after printing. That sticker also has "Borgo Press". So it could be Borgo was selling copies for Starmont House or they made a photographic reprint and stuck their sticker on it. May 1985 is the date Locus1 has so that might have been the source for the {{P|287993|ISFDB record}}. Rtrace has secondary verified it with Clute/Nicholls and Reginald3. I will ping him to see if either of those might has some info to shed light on the situation. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:53, 23 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::Neither {{Reginald3}} nor Clute/Nicholls mention Borgo. The former has a 1985 date while the latter has 1984. {{P|283739|Chalker/Owings}} has the 1984 date. {{P|320234|BP 300}} has 1985. This is probably due to the difference between copyright and publication dates. Also from ''BP 300'', Borgo acquired Starmont in March 1993 after having purchased Starmont's Contemporary Writers Series in 1991. If I had to guess, the sticker is likely a cancel of the Starmont publisher and perhaps the 1986 date is due to a typo (VI vs IV). With that scenario, the sticker was likely added sometime after 1993 when Borgo purchased Starmont. Chalker/Owings does note that the purchase included Starmont's back stock. Regardless, if we decided to add a new publication record for the Borgo cancel of Starmont, I don't think we can date it exactly and I'd recommend using the unknown date. Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:13, 23 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::I made the following changes:<br />
:::*Updated the Starmont House editions with the stated publication date as per ISFDB standards. I also included a pub note on the secondary source dates and a statement that it was likely not out until after the stated publication date.<br />
:::*Cloned an undated Borgo Press edition with a statement regarding Borgo Press buying Starmont House backstock & the uncertainty of the Roman numeral date's meaning.<br />
:::*Added the contents.<br />
:::--&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:21, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Philip K. Dick Reader ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1365790; I cloned an 11th printing and publisher is Citadel+Kensington like 2016 but cover is same as 1997 which says publisher is Citadel Twilight; does anyone own a 1st printing who can say whether it says Twilight or if 1997 should be changed to Kensington? Twilight books had a certain bluish look about their covers and they say Twilight on the cover which this book doesn't. Per note on ISFDB Twilight ended in 2000 so it's possible it was a Twilight book and it was only mentioned inside. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:46, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== ASIN ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?966441; Clicking US ASIN leads to a different magazine; I don't know if that happens often or not but I thought I'd mention it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:07, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: There are two ISFDB records sharing the same ASIN, "B0CDQWPL1Z":<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?966441 Dark Hall Press Cosmic Horror Anthology]<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?966438 Savage Realms Monthly, August 2023]<br />
: Their respective Edit Histories show that the 2 pubs were manually entered by the same editor on the same day. Most likely it was a copy-and-paste error. I have corrected the erroneous ASIN; thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:17, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Salt Is Not For Slaves ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=salt+is&type=All+Titles; I can't find a copy of 1931 Ghost Stories issue where it says E. W. supposedly, can confirm it's G. W. in Book of the Living Dead (added link in a PENDING edit from OL-only no-search copy). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:19, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Rustin Parr ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36131; Title was entered in 2011, I've made 3 edits (one in each of the last 3 years), and only today noticed the title was wrong; it's Confession, not Confessions. Fixed that in a PENDING edit and while doing so noticed there are 2 foreign editions, https://archive.org/search?query=%22rustin+parr%22+stern&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=year%3A%222000%22, in case anyone fluent wants to enter those. I also have an edit adding UK Boxtree 4th printing of The Blair Witch Project: A Dossier by the same author; there is a HC book club (?) edition of the Onyx edition on Archive.org but I didn't bother with that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:29, 26 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Khaw & Kadrey's ''The Dead Take the A Train'' ==<br />
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Re. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3070028 this title], I propose deleting the pub dated 2022-09-27. That was the original publication date, which was pushed back a full year. I have added this detail to the notes for actual pub when it was released (2023-10-03), so the earlier pub record is now redundant. Any objections from anyone? [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 07:43, 27 November 2023 (EST)<br />
: Would it not be better to make [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Date the pub date 8888-00-00], rather than deleting the record? That way the ISBN is still in the database in case anyone else tries adding it in future? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 08:36, 27 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::Yeah, that sounds sensible. Done. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 15:49, 27 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== ayaz daryl nielsen ==<br />
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Are there any objections to using lowercase for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?162023 Ayaz Daryl Nielsen]. I have never seen him credited any other way. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:01, 27 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Hearing no objections, the change has been made. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:31, 3 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Eichner ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=m.+eichner&type=Name; While adding links and other stuff to E. Everett Evans books I noticed Eichner shows up twice as an illustrator and I assume those are the same people which would mean a variant is needed. Also, Eichner's birth date is off by 10 days from Wikipedia and most sites seem to agree it's 9, not 19, so the day may need changing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:38, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Disabling the Synopsis field for Variant Titles ==<br />
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Back in April 2022 "Make This a Variant Title" [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive52#Make_Variant_and_Synopsis_data 2022-04-30 was modified] to move VTs' Synopsis data to their parent titles. A new cleanup report, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?328 Variant Title with Synopsis Data], was created at the same time.<br />
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The original plan was to:<br />
* clean up any titles found by this cleanup report (1,600+ at the time)<br />
* confirm that there were no scenarios where a VT needed to have Synopsis data<br />
* change "Edit Title" to disable the Synopsis field for VTs<br />
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The first step was never completed, so the process stalled. I have now processed/corrected around 50 (out of 1546) affected title record. It is as we suspected. Most just needed their synopsis data to be moved to the parent titles. Some needed two synopsis entries reconciled. A few were in error, e.g. there was Notes data in the Synopsis field or vice versa. A few Synopsis values were using a language other than English, which is explicitly not allowed in Help.<br />
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Based on the above, I think it's safe to change the software to disallow entering Synopsis data for VTs. If there are no objections, I plan to work on it over the next few days. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:03, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Will this block adding a synopsis to a serial title? In at least [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3129077 this case], each of the serial titles is a separate novella that could justifiably have its own synopsis. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 21:57, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: That's right, the proposed change would prevent Synopsis values from being added to SERIAL titles. I don't think it should cause significant issues since semi-standalone SERIALs are rare and could be handled the way we handled {{A|George Lowther}}'s [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?16699 ''Superman'']:<br />
::* Chapters 1-2 describe Superman's planet of origin, Krypton. Chapters 3-5 deal with Clark Kent's childhood with his adoptive parents. In chapter 6, Clark goes to Metropolis and gets a job with the Daily Planet. The remaining eleven chapters deal with a mystery involving ghost ships and Nazi spies.<br />
:: [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:53, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::That's what I thought. Hmmm. I don't think that would work in the case of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3129077 Last Stand] since each of the installments (Episodes) are approx. 20,000 word novellas which have differing focus characters within the pseudo-TV series framework and the summaries should be more than a couple of words each. I'm not convinced it is truly a serial anyway. [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Anniemod Anniemod] set this up initially and I've been following suit since. I could just as well see this as a series called <i>Last Stand</i> with the individual novellas as normal Chapbooks/Shortfiction titles. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 12:52, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: If they have different focus characters and different plots requiring different synopses, then I agree that they sound more like linked stories than a serialization. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:09, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::I'm the only PV for these. On deeper examination, I believe they are linked stories, not serials. I'm going toss a note to Annie and then convert these from serials to shortfiction, unvarianting the titles, and grouping them under the series <i>Last Stand</i>. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:37, 3 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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=== Outcome: Software has been changed ===<br />
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Hearing no further objections, I have changed "Edit Title" to disallow entering Synopsis data for variant titles. [[Template:TitleFields:Synopsis]] has been updated as follows:<br />
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* A synopsis can only be entered for canonical titles. The software won't let you add a Synopsis to a variant title.<br />
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If you come across any issues, please let me know. All that's left is cleaning up the remaining 1400+ VTs which still have Synopsis values. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:15, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: There was a minor bug in the associated cleanup report. It was causing three valid title records to appear on the report. The bug has been fixed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:54, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Nightly cleanup reports fixed ==<br />
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It turns out that the recent addition of a Notes template with an apostrophe in its name -- [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Using_Templates_and_HTML_in_Note_Fields "Achevé D’Imprimer"] -- broke the automated nightly process which regenerates cleanup reports. The software was fixed a few minutes ago and everything should be back to normal tomorrow morning. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:12, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== New superseries for Glynn Stewart's Castle Federation ==<br />
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Would anyone object if I create a new superseries named <i>Castle Federation Universe</i> which would have the existing series [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?42767 Castle Federation] as subseries #1 and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?65374 Dakotan Confederacy] as subseries #2? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 18:14, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: No objection -- book covers and Goodreads reviews confirm it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:09, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Done. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 21:52, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Julie Novakova/Nováková ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?195102 The page for this author] has "Novakova" in her name, and states '''uses accentless spelling of her surname for foreign publications.'''. However I just checked [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ship-Whisperer-Julie-Nováková-ebook/dp/B08F3S7J9L/ her collection] and [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Rosetta-Archive-Notable-Speculative-Translation/dp/195106402X an anthology she contributed a story to], and [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Life-Beyond-Us-Original-Anthology-ebook/dp/B0BNZ7M4F7/ an anthology she co-edited], and all use "Nováková". I assume these should at least be a variant, but I don't have the privileges to see who might have added that author note, in case they can shed any further light?<br />
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(Also, "foreign publications" seems a bit Anglocentric, especially in conjunction with a Czech author?) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:38, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ghosts of the Chit-Chat ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?869953; Contents #1, #4-7, #9, and #12 are not original; they're much older stories with at least one (Tatham) being under a different name (H. F. W.) and title ("Phonograph Bewitched"), plus a couple of authors that are not already on ISFDB (although J. K. Stephens may be James Stephens who is). If anyone owns this or knows where to get a look at the full text some fixing/merging is needed after determining what names and titles are actually used in it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:02, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Best of John W. Campbell ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1212025; I have a PENDING edit adding Archive.org link to '76 US PB and another edit adding month to intro but the afterword has a variant with neither having a month. PB doesn't actually say afterword on that essay's title page so this may be a false variant that needs merging into one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:26, 4 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Best New Romantic Fantasy ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?29658; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5827168; Re: this series, I don't think #3 was ever published like a lot of announced Juno books. There's almost no info online, nobody ever entered contents, etc. I think it should get an unpublished date here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:58, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Sanjulian ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?914; Should this be changed to Sarjulian and made a variant of his parent name? Because it's supposed to be what's on the page, not what PV thinks it should be. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:03, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Dutch Plot ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?28987; '79 Plot doesn't belong with the others. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:50, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Very Special People ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5828417; A copy of the rare 1977 horror novel The Soul of Anna Klane was uploaded to Archive.org earlier this year and I just came across it, it's a second impression so I cloned it, uploader messed up because the jacket is from an awesome book about circus people (or freaks as they were called back in the day) that anyone my age probably remembers reading or at least looking at the photos. Would anything by the author, https://openlibrary.org/authors/OL529624A/Frederick_Drimmer, qualify to be on ISFDB? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:59, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Is "Frederick Drimmer" the author of ''The Soul of Anna Klane''? The covers say the author is Terrel Miedaner. The only one from the list of Frederick Drimmer's works that looks like it might be includable is ''The Body Snatchers'', but it depends on what it's about. All his other works seem to be nonfiction about non-genre topics. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:33, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Other works by Miedaner that might be includable include [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/181242.The_Mind_s_I ''The Mind's I'', in which he has a story or essay (not sure which as the book contains both). It has a work by Stanislaw Lem in it. I couldn't find anything else by Miedaner that could be included. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:40, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Miedaner wrote the novel, Drimmer wrote dozens of non-fiction books including some about genre-related topics that I thought might qualify. Maybe someone will find one or two with something in them that can be entered. The novel seems to have had a lot of other editions not on ISFDB including some foreign editions with weird covers so maybe someone fluent could enter those. Also, the Mind's I book you mentioned is on Archive.org, https://archive.org/search?query=terrel+miedaner, in case you think that qualifies to be entered here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:55, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Gary Allen ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?87741; The author of None Dare... died long before the other works on his page were written so obviously by a different Allen; he has his own Wikipedia. However, I don't think there should be a variant but rather the novel removed because it's not really a novel, it's an anti-Communist diatribe by a member of the John Birch Society that's been reprinted endlessly. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:42, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Book has been deleted. Clear nongenre, nonfiction by a different author than the speculative fiction Gary Allen. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:16, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Twice Twenty-Two ==<br />
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https://openlibrary.org/works/OL103175W/Twice_twenty-two?edition=key%3A/books/OL26558953M; 2 copies, one searchable and one not, searchable one has a gutter code on p. 405, "03 N", which is not in the book club edition's note about gutter codes on ISFDB. Non-searchable one has no code. So if anyone knows how to identify dates from the code they may want to enter at least the copy that has a code. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:58, 8 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Schrecksekunden ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5830404; Does anyone recognize the cover I added? I'm almost sure I've seen it before on an English-language book; if so, artist is likely on ISFDB for that and can be added to this. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:44, 9 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:https://www.michaelwhelan.com/galleries/emergence/ and that conveniently also has [https://www.michaelwhelan.com/wp-content/uploads/fromtheheartofdarkness-cover.jpg From the Heart of Darkness cover]. Looks like we have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1727716 this]. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:05, 9 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:The PV of the affected pub is active and a moderator, so I pointed him at this. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:10, 9 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::The cover of [[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5830404 Schrecksekunden]] is correct. Regards Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] ([[User talk:Rudam|talk]]) 05:43, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Submission approved. Cover credit added to Schrecksekunden with a publication note specifying the secondary source & new cover art record varianted to the prior one. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:19, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Aiken's World Well Lost ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?915733; I don't think Joan published a book with this title but rather it was her brother, John, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?135, so Joan's record for that book should probably be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:06, 9 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Deleted. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:24, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pan Mystery Walk ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?556649; Someone just uploaded a foreign cover for Baal, one of Robert R. McCammon's novels, which led me to do some edits for other of his books (there's a lot left to do even though I've done many previously). There's a $75 Subterranean Press signed limited edition of The Night Boat which has been on Archive.org since April of last year which I somehow never noticed before so I added a link to that but the Pan edition of Mystery Walk only has a 2nd printing uploaded; the question is whether the 1st printing also says Stephen Crisp on back cover instead of Steve Crisp, which is what's on ISFDB. So if anyone owns a 1st printing (I don't see anything online except 1 eBay auction where they took photos of everything EXCEPT the copyright page) and it says Stephen then that needs fixing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:38, 11 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== International Polygonics Edition of Liars and Tyrants and People Who Turn Blue ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20274; I've made a few edits for this before but noticed today a copy was uploaded to Archive.org earlier this year so I added a link, replaced postage stamp-sized Amazon cover with their cover, and added LCCN (their site screwed up entering the title). However, the copy has a big thick sticker obscuring the cover art credit on the back; it seems to start with Kev so probably Kevin; no other books on ISFDB from the publisher have that in the artist's name so if anyone has/can find a copy can you let us know what the artist's name is? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:51, 12 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Brennan's Riddle ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?308567; Been doing some Joseph Payne Brennan edits and this one is odd; there's no content. Is it possible that it contains his 1964 poem "Riddle"? It's likely not a collection but a chapbook or something similar. I added cover image and FantLab ID in a PENDING edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:29, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Dedications in Poems ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5817418 this submission] to alter the title of {{T|1337626|this poem}} based on [https://www.sfpoetry.com/sl/edchoice/34.2-2.html this web page] from the magazine's web site. My question is whether "(For Edgar Allen Poe)" should be considered as part of the subtitle, or whether that is a separate dedication that should not be included in the title field. If we go with the latter, it could be added to the notes. My recollection is that poems occasionally have "For XXX" listed in a smaller typeface under the title though usually without the parenthesis. I don't think we usually include these as part of the title field. How do other folks feel about this. If there is disagreement, we can move this to the rules and standards page. Thoughts? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:50, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Personally, I wouldn't include this as part of the title. It is somewhat similar to the way some sources treat additional information, for example for series - like in The Death of a Hero (Star Wars), and it ''is'' a dedication. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:35, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Dedications are a common occurrence, I never include them in the title. If someone wishes to put then in the note section, I would not object. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:25, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::Hearing no differing opinions, I will reject the edit. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:08, 22 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pocket Pulse ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?269828; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251391; Should these very old entries by the late PV be changed to Pocket Pulse as the publisher so they merge with all the many others on ISFDB? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:08, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Martha Wells / All Systems Red - Code P1 ==<br />
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Some copies of the original tp of All Systems Red have a code "P1" underneath "First Edition: May 2017" on the copyright page. Other copies have no code; the corresponding area is blank. Does anyone know the meaning of this code? Some online booksellers says this code denotes the first printing (or first state of first printing) but this seems to be their opinion. Is there any independent, documented, verifiable evidence of its meaning? Secondly, how should this be recorded in the ISFDb? We have two records: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?723225 PoD] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?608522 non-PoD]. Should I create a new pub record for the P1 code version or should I just add a pub note to an existing record stating that some copies have this code? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:41, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Rich Grote ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?176753; I added, in a PENDING edit, archived site (online now is dead) richgrote.com and Behance page and wickedlocal.com article which revealed he's from New Jersey. There is a Rick Grote credit, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?112933, but his bio at various sites online says he started in 1976 while this book is from 1975. Also, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?123700, where one actually says Grote in the book while the other was not named but editor entered it from cover signature. So if anyone can say for sure that Grote or Rick Grote are Rich Grote then those can be made variants. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:42, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ash of Stars ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?102752; I was doing a bunch of James Sallis edits recently (links to several short stories, archived link to Shores Beneath, adding a massive collection from 2007 titled Potato Tree) and noticed this book about Delany. I don't do many edits for Delany because I can't stand him personally but I'm sure many people here like his work so I'll mention that the copy on Archive.org, https://archive.org/search?query=sallis+delany, the copy on Amazon.com and the copy on Google Books all have the same ISBN on back cover with the barcode saying 53950 which means price is $39.50 but ISFDB says $42.50. Also, ISBN is for HC supposedly but archived copy looks like TP to me. So if anyone wants to add a link to the copy and fill in anything else or change anything, please feel free. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:58, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Scheduled server maintenance - 3pm 2023-12-15 ==<br />
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== Brian Keith Evenson = Brian Evenson? ==<br />
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Any thoughts/objections on making [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?224599 Brian Keith Evenson] a variant of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ch.cgi?6382 Brian Evenson]? The former has just 2 pieces of short fiction in 1986 and 1989 (both with difficult to Google titles), which slightly predates the earliest work of the latter. Howevever (a) "K." is listed as the middle initial of the legal name of "Brian Evenson" (with [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/evenson_brian SFE] saying this it is "Keith"), and (b) the 1989 story was published by Brigham University, which Wikipedia says is where Brian Evenson got a degree and was later employed. Evenson's site doesn't have any detailed bibliography that might help clarify those two early stories are his. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:39, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:The source given for {{P|654878|The Leading Edge, September 1989}} is FictionMags Index. Checking them, they have these as the same author. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:50, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks - I've now set up variants/alternates for the author and two title records. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:37, 17 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Conan the Valiant ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?982255; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5836070; Added a few archived links to some of Roland Green's Conan novels, went backwards so first novel was looked at last, it already had a link added by someone last year, as can be seen in my edit above the cover is not the same as the later editions, any Ken W. Kelly experts who know his style can say if both are his work in which case art needs unmerging or if Tor mistakenly carried over Kelly's credit for the later art by someone else. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:07, 16 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== F. Piatti ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=co+piatti&type=Name; 2 credits for each, one should be parent assuming credits are correct; maybe they're all really spelled the same and someone just entered one or the other name wrong here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:38, 17 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Done. Thanks for this find! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:36, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Abridged editions? ==<br />
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Do we include abridged editions? I know we don't include dramatizations but the help doesn't seem to say anything about abridged editions. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:02, 17 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Sure we do! It's possible to add them to the general title (and add a note to the publication), or if the abridgement does alter the story in a major way to add it as a variant, or if another hand is credited for the abridgement to add it as a stand-alone title, like in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2918952 this title]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:44, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Thanks for the clarification. I've started to run across a number of audio items that have abridged versions but haven't been sure if I should add them. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:37, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: I have been told that abridgements are certainly accepted, but that they are never added as variants. How to deal properly with them was incorporated when dealing with translations, which are made variants but the difference in language makes it possible to distinguish them from name/author variations. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:39, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: That's certainly true for audio versions/readings: here it is quite a regular case that they are abridged, so they should just be added with a note under the respective title. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:33, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) Abridged editions are included. The [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#How_does_the_ISFDB_deal_with_.22Portions_of_this_story_originally_appeared_in....22.3F FAQ says]:<br />
* If an individual story is rewritten or revised, then we create a Variant Title for it and add the nature of the changes, e.g. "expanded", "abridged" or "restored", in the Notes section. Please note that these conventions are likely to change in the foreseeable future as we beef up our software in this area. <br />
: The [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Feature:90155_Add_an_optional_%22nature_of_the_relationship%22_field_to_the_Make_Variant_screen original Feature Request to change the software] to display "relationships" between titles was created back in 2008, but it hasn't been implemented yet.<br />
: Of course, when dealing with drastically changed titles, e.g. novels reduced to excerpts or short stories expanded to novel length, we create separate title records. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:33, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: To the original question - abridgements are in. I am questioning the varianting advice. I also once noted the lack of documentation on abridgements specifically. The original place I was told not to variant abridgements was in [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive46#Abridgements this] conversation. The argument was that variants were for title / author variations or translations as a special case due to limitations in the software. Only one moderator said so, but no one contradicted, so have been going by this since. There were [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk/archives/archive_25#variant_or_independent_work.3F earlier] and [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Adaptations_and_Abridgements later] discussions (I doubt I found them all) with varying degrees of agreement but no resolution. <br />
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:: And the FAQ reference above was answering a question about portions of a story appearing earlier in a novel that is expanded or created from a series of shorter stories. The [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:MakeVariant HELP on variants] says at the beginning that they are only for title and author variations, but later talks about how to deal with translations (with a link to how-to details). ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:50, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: [[Help:Screen:MakeVariant]] says:<br />
:::* Two title records are variants if they are in fact the same story, but have either a different title, or use alternate names for the author.<br />
::: Translations are effectively "the same story" for our purposes, but I agree that it's not made clear in the statement above. We should probably update it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:16, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: It sounds like abridgements should not be varianted. But there's no help on how to document the relationship to the original - be it in the Notes or a linking template. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:50, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::I'm following this closely since most audio abridgements are significantly shorter than their unabridged brethren (should they exist for comparison). Often 2-3 hours compared to 8+ hours. The source novel is often in the 270 page range. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:57, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: I would expect a version that contains only 25-33% of the original material to be considered a separate derivative work. Kind of like {{A|E. Nesbit}}'s juvenile adaptations of {{A|William Shakespeare}}'s works are listed as separate works with the word "(abridged)" appended to the end of the title: "A Midsummer Night's Dream (abridged)", "The Tempest (abridged)", etc. Except, of course, there would be no additional co-author. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:52, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::To me, this makes the most sense. If it's significantly abridged, it should be a separate work (for example, I think the abridged audio releases of ''{{T|7577|The Courtship of Princess Leia}}'' should be separate as they are only 3 hours as opposed to the {{P|983542|unabridged version}} of 14 hours (finally being released in January)). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:00, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::::Based on this guidance, the title above has now been split into [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?7577 The Courtship of Princess Leia] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3258106 The Courtship of Princess Leia (abridged)]. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 18:02, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Présence du Futur ==<br />
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Ex-editor Hauck entered some entries in this endless French series but only basic info. I came across a manual which I added as a link, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5837420, although I have no idea if it contains anything useful, then I entered several missing bits of info for Gravité à la manque from Open Library, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5837421. I then came across a title with an actual copy, but rather than stumble my way through entering info from books in a language I'm not fluent in I'm just going to list this, https://archive.org/search?query=%22une+collection+d%27inedits+au+format+de+poche%22&sin=TXT&and%5B%5D=collection%3A%22inlibrary%22, so if anyone can find anything useful to enter from those they can do so. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:34, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Crash Override ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?659223; I added archived link and a few other things in a PENDING edit to the other book by the publisher, the novel The Secret. Publisher actually has no space between the 2 words in its name so I fixed that and then was going to check online to see if it was the same for this much later book but realized this probably shouldn't be here since it's not by a known author and it really has nothing to do with genre. So should it be deleted? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:54, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:I was advised some time ago and it is my understanding that any works shortlisted for a genre award (in this case a Hugo) are considered in. This exception is called out in [[ISFDB:Policy|our policy page]] but only for online publications. Perhaps we should be more specific. Aside from that, my recollection from reading the book in 2018 is that it is chiefly about the Gamergate event which is tightly coupled with the Sad/Rabid Puppies movements. I don't recall how much Quinn went into the latter, but if at all, it would certainly qualify this as a book about speculative fiction. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:51, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::OK. It's PublicAffairs in Amazon look inside so I'm going to fix that so both books on ISFDB will be by the same publisher. EDIT: There's 1 archived copy which was uploaded in May, 2021 but wasn't added until January, 2023 (?!?) so I also added a link to that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:14, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Napoleon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?31091; I added archived links to Minstrel Boy and ...Overhead and fixed formats to TP for both; publisher was also changed to Napoleon Publishing for those 2 and ...Yard because Napoleon & Company, as explained on the copyright pages, is a parent company and Publishing is the actual imprint. The problem now is the 2 e-book Gargoyle editions don't actually show a copyright page on Amazon and, more importantly, Time Thief's beautiful Napoleon cover is nowhere online and ISBN defaults to the Dundurn Press edition's less beautiful cover. Looking at Dundurn's Wiki page they bought Napoleon in 2011 which makes sense because Blogspot page linked in Napoleon's record on ISFDB ends in February, 2011, a month before their Time Thief edition was supposedly published. So maybe someone can say whether Time Thief Napoleon edition should get an unpublished date of 8888-88-88 and whether that and the 2 e-books should have their publisher changed to Napoleon Publishing just to keep everything together. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:13, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== John Allen ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?186482; Likely 3 or 4 different authors on the same page in case anyone can find info to separate some or all of them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:32, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:I split the entry into three. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:18, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Stateham Banners ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3575; Archived copy uploaded in 2020 so I added a link in a PENDING edit; note about frontispiece is wrong as it is credited on copyright page (an editor of Canadian edition noted this correctly) so maybe one of the active editors (Willem, GlennMcG, Spacecow) can fix note so it says the same as Canadian edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:23, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Speedy In OZ ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?366452; Oz fans, a request. I saw a lot of Oz edits in the queue recently and discovered many of R.P. Thompson's books were reprinted in PB in the eighties. I added archived links to the 4 I found but Speedy has a missing cover and most online ones are of the weird $19.00 reprint that nobody seems to know much about; the archived cover sucks because it has 3 huge stickers on the bottom obscuring things and a cover on Biblio.com is shot too far away, has a Barbed Wire Books business card in front of it, and has some plastic holder or something at the bottom of it. So if anyone can find a clear and clean cover, can you upload it? Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:45, 21 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Dread ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?22179; Year and subtitle (Allen, seen on sfpoetry.com) different than other ISFDB record; poem here, https://poetrynz.net/pdf/PNZ48.pdf, says Allan. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:16, 22 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Knock on Wood ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=0-671-04070-7+&type=ISBN; Cover says Vornholt; why is Friesner credited for the same book? EDIT: Also Witchopoly, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=0-671-02806-5&type=ISBN. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:37, 25 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Deleted the two Friesner ones. All reliable sources show these two ISBNs as by Vornholt which matches cover. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:06, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Yesterday We Saw Mermaids ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55736; Cover is the Tor edition but it's on the Wiki so the Pan cover would need uploading to replace it; problem is I can't find it because all eBay copies are Tor. So either it's rare or vaporware. Help, if you can. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:00, 25 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Finding forgotten horror story ==<br />
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Hi, all. I hope you all had merry Christmases (if you celebrate). <br />
Someone on Goodreads is trying to find a horror story he or she read in the '70s about gentle hand-shaped creatures who live in a forest near a town or village. But then several people are found strangled with hand-shaped bruises on their throats. (Spoilers ahead.) <br />
The creatures are rounded up and killed. But the killings continue, and the townspeople realize the creatures were all shaped like left hands, while the bruises on throats are from a right hand (or vice versa).<br />
Does this story sound familiar to anyone? Thanks! —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 01:40, 26 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Sidgwick & Jackson Prices ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5843103; I was looking at the Science Fiction Specials (added a couple more links because a few of them were hiding on Archive.org using a title of one of the contents instead of the overall title) and also am adding links and other stuff to books from the publisher by the authors in the Specials. I've noticed their prices on the front flaps are a mess with some being old pre-decimal prices and others being stickered with decimal prices. In this Asimov case you can see a pre-decimal price under the sticker that looks like 35s to me but I can't find any copies online that show the flap. So if anyone knows what the original price was, thinks it should be cloned, etc. let us know. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:29, 27 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Silverberg and Neverness ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:SFJuggler#The_Time_Travelers; Linking this here in case anyone else might own a copy of the Donald I. Fine edition of Neverness. Also, should we make the Silverberg thing a pub. series? There's got to be more than 2 books in it; Archive.org search isn't the most accurate and there could be books not archived that are part of the series. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:40, 27 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:I have the Donald I. Fine 1st hc edition of Zindell's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23681 Neverness]. It does state "A Robert Silverberg Science Fiction Selection" on rear flap and also "RS/SF" on spine of dj. I have also discovered that Sturgeon's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15623 Godbody] has the same features. Looks like a pub series to me, even if it didn't last very long and didn't have many books in it. I have Godbody so I will PV both these pubs and edit them to create and add the pub series. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:40, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::Great, thanks! A search for the exact series title on Google only finds the ISFDB record for Godbody and my message on the SFJuggler board. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:55, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Where the Southern Cross the Dog ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?326635; Does anyone own the August 2002 issue of Locus? I added cover/interior artist and intro by S. R. Tem but I can't find the titles of the stories anywhere, 3 supposedly, and it was reviewed by Edward Bryant in that issue. Maybe he mentioned them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:05, 27 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Ah ha, I recently added a link to 40+ years' worth of microfilmed Locus issues on Archive.org and vaguely remembered that I had asked about an issue of Locus recently. I checked that 2002 issue and yes, all 3 stories were mentioned. The one original, "Black Angel Blues", doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere at all online (until now). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:46, 17 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Siergiejew ==<br />
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https://readfrom.net/michael-aronovitz/364512-the_voices_in_our_heads.html; It's Marius Siergiejew in that link, no z in first name but also no "Noistromo", I checked Unlikely Entomology issue and it is Mariusz, so both should be variants assuming all the ones under Marius "Noistromo" actually have the correct name entered; now that the link above shows there's at least one with just Marius maybe that should become the parent after name is fixed and the nickname should be the variant. I added a Blogspot link to the Marius record. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:47, 29 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Alternate name created. I would not consider that site reliable enough to change a verified pub. Unfortunately, the verifier is no longer active so we will have to wait for someone else to re-verify it. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:58, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Webs of Time ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?54122; Does anyone think the replacement cover I used is better than the old one? Mod didn't agree. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:35, 29 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Well, the overall quality (= colour likeness) seemed better with the amazon source, ''and'' I do assume that this source will be more stable than Fantlab (and presumably that's the line of thought Chris_J also tended towards). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:26, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::I guess; anyway, my replacement cover will still be in edit history so that's something. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:53, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Fanni S. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=fanni+s&type=Name; Probably the same person, maybe entries under the first name really don't have the special "u" or maybe editors didn't enter it that way. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:21, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:The three records with Suto all had Amazon Samples available which showed they should have been Sütő. Only one was verified and that verifier is showing as not active in several years. I made the changes. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:46, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pandora Effect ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?45062; I added Archive.org link in a PENDING edit, do any of the active PV think an August month should be added to dates as notes say? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:10, 31 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Great Tales of Action and Adventure ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5846199; Cover question about this '67 10th printing I just added. It says Richard Powers on copyright page but Robert Shore on back, Powers credit possibly left over from earlier printings? Should Shore be entered instead? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:23, 31 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:My copy doesn't have the credit to Shore on the back, but the cover is different than the Powers original. Seems like we should have a Richard Powers (in error) created as an alias to Shore. [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 18:43, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Through the Budgerigar ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?925198; While adding LCCN to Jones novel Transplant I noticed this book was added not long ago and while SFE mentions it and even a cover artist there seems to be no evidence of a cover online; can anyone find one? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:06, 3 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== To the Sound of Freedom II==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive53#To_the_Sound_of_Freedom; I came across this record again today; should it get an all-8's date? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:24, 4 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== HG Wells and His Critics ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=wells-and-his-critics; Anyone know a way to tell which of the 3 publishers these copies are from so I can add links? The USA one has no record; maybe it was never actually published by them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:38, 5 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Top Science Fiction ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=pachter-josh+top&sort=-addeddate; Someone added intros to this anthology recently, I added archived link long ago, just noticed a Spanish-language edition, La crema de la ciencia ficción, was upped to Archive.org in 2013 in case anyone fluent wants to enter that. EDIT: From the same publisher is La Crema del crimen, https://archive.org/search?query=crema-del-crimen, which includes a few stories from ISFDB judging by back cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:40, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I will add the Spanish one. What the heck. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:12, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Pachter ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1914279; Josh Pachter is credited as "with" on title page of 2015 English edition on Archive.org. Should he be added as co-author? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:21, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I didn't check the Archive.org copy, but the Look Inside on Amazon shows that "with" citation, but then on the copyright page it says the English translation is copyright 2015 Dhooge and Pachter. There is also a copyright 2014 for Dhooge and the original publisher. I interpret that to mean Pachter's role was (co-?)translator. I found Pachter's [http://www.joshpachter.com/bib/bibliography.html bibliography page], and this listed in the "Translations" section. But just to avoid having anything be too clear, he also has [http://www.joshpachter.com/bib/bib.styx.html this], where he talks about previously translating another Dhooge work and being asked to "collaborate on an American version" of this one. So does that mean this isn't a translation but is actually a major revision? Dunno. Given that Pachter only takes credit for translating it, I think noting him as translator and documenting the "with" citation and the copyright statements (could throw in the Pachter site references as a bonus) should be sufficient. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:30, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Star Gors ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5851689; I was adding links and adding/fixing other stuff in some Gor editions, mostly UK Star PB, when I noticed an artist's signature for Players of Gor, Star edition, is on the cover but ISFDB had no credit. I tried several names I thought it could be and finally got Tony Masero who, as far as I can tell, is credited exactly once on the entire net for doing this cover, an AbeBooks/Biblio seller's description, but AbeBooks show the wrong (Daw Books) cover and Biblio's scan of the right cover is much too small to see the signature clearly. So I think I got a rare one. As can be seen here, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_publisher&O_2=exact&TERM_2=star&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=contains&TERM_3=of+gor&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication], there are 5 other Star editions with no cover credit; if anyone can find a signature on any of them, beat me to it and enter them yourselves. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:49, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Night Mayor Cover Art ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?474; I noticed that the cover art for the original UK HC and the US C&G HC, which is the same, is credited to 2 different artists here. It's easy to find photos of the back flap of US online which does say design by Roy Colmer but of the several eBay sellers who offer the UK none thought to show the back flap. There are many C&G Colmer design credits online so I'm thinking Kemp did the art and US just didn't credit him, only their designer. So should we make C&G artist Jon Kemp with a note about him not being credited? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:11, 10 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:I have the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44644 UK hc of Kim Newman / The Night Mayor]. The rear flap of the dust jacket states: "Jacket Illustration: Jon Kemp" and "Jacket Design: Bostock & Pollitt Ltd." [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:44, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Darrah Chavey's Passing ==<br />
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I was saddened to read this morning of [[User:Chavey|Chavey]]'s passing in [https://file770.com/pixel-scroll-1-10-24-tom-swift-and-his-scrolling-pixels/ File 770] (Number 7 in the Pixel Scroll). It was always a pleasure to work with him here and he will be missed. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:49, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I replaced link on his page with an updated one; also, while adding a link to the issue of the zine, Aurora, where his Walton essays appeared I discovered that most issues of Aurora and its predecessor Janus are on Archive.org, he PV most (all?) of them, but some have full contents while others have nothing. I imported a few poems from Robert Frazier, Steven M. Tymon, etc. but there's a ton of other book reviews and articles and stuff for anyone who's interested. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:15, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: Sad news indeed. He had a heart attack a few years ago and has been less active since then, but he was only 69, so it was unexpected. Thanks for updating his User and Talk pages. I have updated user rights on his account. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 23:11, 12 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Rtrace, thanks for letting us all know. I echo your sentiments. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:47, 13 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Barn Owl ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?4296; I made an edit for City of Hermits long ago and today added some more stuff; I think this Barn Owl is not the same as the other that published much later. Ann Jungman who wrote a few of the later ones has a Wiki page where it says she founded Barn Owl in 1999 so I think the 1983 one should get a USA or California or something added to it. Whoever wrote the note about Frances Lincoln here seems to have conflated the 2 publishers; the England location probably belongs with the later publisher. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:27, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I separated out [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?4296 Barn Owl Books (UK)] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?83339 Barn Owl Books (USA)] based on the ISBN's. I also updated the notes for Barn Owl Books (UK) based on [https://www.thebookseller.com/news/frances-lincoln-acquires-barn-owl this article]. When untangling publishers, the [https://grp.isbn-international.org/ Global Register of Publishers] can be of help. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:11, 13 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Pat Frank Title ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5856366; I added cover image long ago; just came across archived copy which was there years before my edit so I'm not sure why I didn't add it back then but I did now and also added dash in title, H-Bomb, but I noticed there's another part of the title that people can't decide on. Mhhutchins entered it with 3 dots but title page has one GIANT dot while facing page has long dash and LOC/WorldCat has comma. So what's the consensus? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:44, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Sue Robinson ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?16675; I added archived link and a few other things to the HC of Amendment; author is a respected American newsperson. She should be differed from the Australian author. 1992 story in Weird Tales may be by either of them or another person since there's no bio in that issue. Also, does anyone own Amendment PB? It has nice cover art but there's no back cover photo online where I assume the artist would be credited. I see some weird blocks in the lower right, P and another letter, maybe initials or maybe just part of the art. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:10, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I separated out ''The Amendment'' to {{A|Sue Robinson (I)|373246}}. The author blurb for ''The Amendment'' does not align with the bio for the more prominent newspaper reporter of the same name, nor does that person list ''The Amendment'' as one of their works on their personal or faculty website. So probably two different reporters with same name. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:55, 13 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Peter Goodfellow ==<br />
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http://petergoodfellow.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/18-misc2; I added a few credits for this artist but the last one has me stumped because the 1992 edition had the same cover as the last image here, http://petergoodfellow.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/18-misc2, but that was wrong because archived copy has the same Posen cover as the later printing on ISFDB. Goodfellow cover has an M for Mammoth so was it an earlier or later edition and why can't I find the original Methuen cover anywhere? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:54, 12 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== French Swastika ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5857839; French speakers, I made my usual shaky attempt at entering a foreign-language edition but I felt a book of such fame probably deserved it; after approval if anyone cares to look it over I'm sure it can be improved. I also made a follow-up edit changing date of French variant to a year earlier to match the date of this book. Also, those Feminist Press editions, https://archive.org/search?query=swastika-night&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22, are a mess, the one with the white cover matches the UK Lawrence & Wishart edition's cover but has the info of the '85 Feminist edition, while the other 2 with the face on the cover either a) have no price on the back and totally different back cover text but copyright page is the same or b) are a 4th printing from 2003, I think, with cover info on copyright page the '85 edition doesn't have and a missing back cover so no way to tell what was on there. If anyone cares to figure all that out. For some reason the French edition I mentioned above is in English according to Archive.org which is obviously wrong. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:59, 12 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== UK Omni ==<br />
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https://fantlab.ru/edition356174; I added archived links to the 6 volumes of Best of Omni and noticed FantLab has a photo of #6 with a UK price on it in case anyone knows more about that; maybe all 6 were published there but, if so, none are on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:23, 14 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Tiret-Bognet ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=bognet&type=Name; same Verne illustrator, same book in different languages, one should be parent and maybe some of the art needs merging, Holmesd worked on many of these Verne books so he'd probably know. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:48, 14 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Server maintenance 2024-01-15 at 3pm EST ==<br />
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The ISFDB server will be down for maintenance on 2024-01-15 (today) between 3pm and 3:10pm EST. The database and the Wiki will be unavailable. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:09, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: The server is back up. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:06, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== N. Katerli ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=katerli&type=Name; I found a huge (380+ pages) thread on FantLab's message boards with people who have died, many of which were never entered on ISFDB (not all genre, though, some footballers and other non-genre people are included, too) and while adding many dates and photos I came across Katerli; I added Wiki link, day of death, and photo to Nina's record but is that other spelling the same person? If so, some variant would probably be needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:25, 17 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:It's very possible, given how things get romanized from Eastern European languages. Perhaps one of our Eastern European language people can do a little digging? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:30, 17 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::Looking into it a bit myself, I'm 100% sure they are the same person. Working on connecting them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:57, 17 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::Okay, everything is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?373565 here], now. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:27, 17 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Thanks for working on her stories. I have added dates and updated the author record. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:51, 17 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Terry Venables ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5861442; Is this the famous footballer (or soccer, as we Yanks call it)? There seem to be a lot of photos of him but some of them look like a different person so just making sure this is the right guy (he wrote some novels including Bornless Keeper which is on ISFDB but online info seems to suggest he didn't actually write any of it, Gordon Williams did). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:44, 17 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Yes, things like that do happen: there are several titles in the database for which it is doubtful if the featured prominent author did actually write them; and so, jugig from the photo and the theme of the listed title it is '''the''' Terry Venables. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:38, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::I can confirm that the photo in your submission is indeed of the English footballer [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Venables Terry Venables]. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:42, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Alchemy Magazine ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?35135; Luminist.org has a lot of magazines not on Archive.org and while replacing cover and adding link to Alchemy #2 I noticed all 3 issues have a different format, TP/unknown/pulp. Those who know about such things may want to adjust those since I'm assuming they all should be the same format. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 01:11, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Dinotopia Digest Novels ==<br />
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I just made about 20 edits for this series (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5862661 through https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5862859) and as usual with series books it's a nightmare; I think I did as much as I could with what's available (oddly, only 1 book, Survive!, didn't have its original Random House edition entered on ISFDB so I had to scrounge up a copy on Google Books to enter info from). I think only one thing may raise questions and that's this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2230051, where an editor here in 2017 entered James Gurney as cover artist but even though he's mentioned on all copyright pages because he's the creator/owner of Dinotopia it was actually Michael Welply who did all the covers. Problem is after I removed cover credit (I didn't enter Welply because while it does say that in archived 3rd printing copy there are some 1st printings of books in the series that misspelled it as Welpley and then corrected that in later printings) I noticed the nomination for best cover in the art record. So I don't know what to make of that; was Gurney nominated because he's the creator or did someone make a mistake and not nominate the real artist, Welply? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:58, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Pratchett's Eric - converting into novella? ==<br />
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I did a word count on a digital version of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1832 Eric], and it's around 35000 words, i.e. clearly a novella. Comments on the title and various publication records point out how unusually short it is. [http://www.locusmag.com/index/b381.htm Locus] calls the first edition a novella, but later editions a novel. I think the novella classification is correct, but am hesitant in converting such a high-profile title. Any opinions? [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] ([[User talk:TerokNor|talk]]) 08:01, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: My electronic copy contains 34.2K words, so it's a novella. That said, I wonder about Locus changing its classification after the first edition. Is there any indication that later editions may have been longer? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:43, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:: I can find no indication of there being different editions of the text. I noticed however that after the original illustrated edition (which was billed "A Discworld Story"), it usually says "A Discworld Novel" on the covers, so Locus might have just gone with that. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] ([[User talk:TerokNor|talk]]) 13:59, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: It sounds like it's a novella whose subtitle (but not the word count) was changed in later editions. I suggest we wait for other editors to share their thoughts before we change the type from NOVEL to SHORTFICTION. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:49, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::I added an Archive.org link in a PENDING edit to The Illustrated Eric, 2010 Gollancz HC, so that may help with the counting; page count said 144 but it is actually 131. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:26, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: I have approved the submission that corrected the page count and updated the Note field to indicate where the corrected page count comes from. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:49, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::: (Chime) Not surprised, don't care, go ahead. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 21:26, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) Hearing no objection, I have left a message on TerokNor's Talk page asking him to proceed with the proposed changes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:38, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Thank you. I have submitted the first edit to begin the process. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] ([[User talk:TerokNor|talk]]) 05:19, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Late Mods ==<br />
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I had a thought while adding FantLab ID to a PV Brian Lumley book today; is there a way to remove the necessity of adding a note to the mod about what changes you made if the mod is deceased? There have been several mod losses recently, most of whom PV countless books, so it would save time to not have to write anything if the only PV's are ones who are not going to read those notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:23, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: I think there are two sides to this issue.<br />
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: The first one is technical, i.e. whether it would be possible to modify the software to check each primary verifier's Talk page to see if it starts with the "Deceased user" template. The short answer is "Yes, it would be possible, although it would also make our core software more closely intertwined with the Wiki software, which may become a minor nuisance during the next Wiki upgrade".<br />
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: The second one is functional, i.e. whether making this kind of change would be desirable. I am not sure it would. It would save some keystrokes, but there is value to having more detailed Edit History for primary verified publications even if their verifiers are no longer available. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:42, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Moll/Head Virgin Planet ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5864268; I added cover and prices but I think publisher should be changed to Wyndham, either Star or Tandem or Target which are all on ISFDB related to Wyndham, since their logo is on front and back covers, https://www.ebay.com/itm/143869122299. The other issue is the cover is the same Charles Moll art as earlier US paperbacks; Michael Head was a designer with 1 other ISFDB credit that notes say is just a photo and a Mike Head I noted in an edit earlier today as the designer for Piatkus edition of M. Bingley's Waiting Darkness did a cover which is just a photo of a fist. So where Head credit came from for Virgin Planet I don't know but I think Moll credit should replace it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:09, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== One Hundred Years of Science Fiction ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5864915; I'm guessing this Gollancz edition is rare judging by the fact there's almost no photos of the cover online. As can be seen in my edit, notes about year (probably very old and entered by the long-gone Bluesman) are obsolete now because the year is on the title page. Also, the price was entered by Mellotronman from his copy but for a 1969 UK book the pre-decimal price should be entered so that's what I did; problem is in his note to mod in edit history he says other price is 32s, not 30. So if he's still around he may want to PV and add a note about the alternate price (I'm assuming the archived copy's flap is badly framed which is why the other price is not visible) and delete year notes and add a new one saying the date is on the title page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:31, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:It doesn't help that two different printings share the same ISBN. Mine says 1970 on the front of the title page and 'second impression 1970' on the back of the same page. The price is most definitely listed on the dust jacket as '32s', an unusual way of writing 'shillings'. The more usual way would be '32/-'. Perhaps the first impression was 30s and the second 32? [[User:Mellotronman|Mellotronman]] ([[User talk:Mellotronman|talk]]) 16:55, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::OK, I think it makes sense now, copy on Archive.org is '69 1st pr. with just s-price while your 1970 2nd pr. has both s-price and pounds. So after my edit is approved you may want to clone it and enter yours with new date and prices and PV it, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:07, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Tom Palmer ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?98449; 2 or 3 different Palmers here; novels are by the guy pictured but the art credits are by the recently deceased (2022) famous comic artist who had a still-online site, tompalmerillustration, and a Wiki page as Tom Palmer (comics); the poem, judging by the bio at the archived Aphelion link, is by another likely American Palmer. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:58, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Lone Star Law ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?80404; Anyone think this should be deleted? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:34, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: The Note field says:<br />
:* Western story anthology. It may have some spec-fic stories, but otherwise, there's no reason for it to be in the database.<br />
: Have we been able to find this anthology's table of contents and determine whether any of the stories are SF? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:23, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::I was able to look at the ToC via the Amazon Look Inside feature for the pb edition (ISBN 978-1982153069) and I don't see anything there that looks like SF. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:38, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Reading the editor's introductions to each story I noticed that two stories were called "eerie". After reading them, I can confirm that one is an unambiguous ghost story while the other one is an ambiguous "curse" story. I have added them to the publication record and updated Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:13, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Recording plagiarized work ==<br />
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A couple of days ago [https://file770.com/pixel-scroll-1-19-24-all-these-pixels-are-someone-elses-fault/ File 770 reported] (item 5) that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3221864 "After the Flood" by John Kucera] was plagiarised from another author. I've added a note to that title record, but I'm wondering whether anything else should be done, e.g. making it a variant? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 01:36, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Unless the poem uses the same wording I'd think the only thing we can do is to add notes to the title (and likely the publications the plagiat was published in). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:32, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:All three of the works "by" this author that are listed on ISFDB appear to have been plagiarized. I've added notes to the title entries as well as the publication entries. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:59, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks all! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:22, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::At some point, we should probably make them variants since (in all the reports I've read) only the title were changed by the plagiarizer. Similar to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1570478 this one]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:34, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::I've added the variants for the two I could figure out. Still unsure who originally wrote "[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3205023 Summer 1993]" and what the original title was. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:15, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::How about this one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2951283? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:29, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::Looks like it's the same guy per a Google search that brought up [https://eunoiareview.wordpress.com/2023/11/16/fanlight-and-ice/ this] ([https://web.archive.org/web/20240123001032/https://www.silverblade.net/tag/john-siepkes/ archive]), which is the same thing but under his Kucera name. Now to try to figure out who really wrote it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:06, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::Some additional archive links to help us figure out all of this: [https://web.archive.org/web/20230604133528/https://thewildword.com/poetry-john-kucera/ Wild Word], [https://lothlorienpoetryjournal.blogspot.com/2024/01/john-kucera-exposed-as-serial-plagiarist.html Lothlorien Poetry Journal] ([https://web.archive.org/web/20240123004257/https://lothlorienpoetryjournal.blogspot.com/2024/01/john-kucera-exposed-as-serial-plagiarist.html archive]), [https://twitter.com/OneArtPoetry1/status/1747732242581876815 One Art Poetry on X], [https://web.archive.org/web/20230922115703/https://oneartpoetry.com/2023/09/11/two-poems-by-john-kucera/ One Art Poetry], [https://web.archive.org/web/20230530004119/https://www.fictionalcafe.com/spare-parts-poetry-by-john-kucera/ The Fictional Cafe], [https://web.archive.org/web/20240122101438/https://sparksofcalliope.com/2024/01/17/it-was-bound-to-happen-eventually/ Sparks of Calliope] (see also [https://web.archive.org/web/20240123004746/https://sparksofcalliope.com/2023/09/22/two-poems-by-john-kucera/ this page]), [https://issuu.com/newreadermagazine/docs/nrm_issue17_lowres_1_/s/16096176 New Reader Magazine] ([https://web.archive.org/web/20240123005036/https://issuu.com/newreadermagazine/docs/nrm_issue17_lowres_1_/s/16096176 archive]), [https://bsky.app/profile/wnwagner.bsky.social/post/3kj5gwyptla2o Wendy N. Wagner loves pie on BlueSky], and I'll add more later. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:31, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) I suspect that the issue of plagiarized works is going to become harder to deal with in the near future. In the past we had to deal with two types of scenarios:<br />
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* word-for-word reprints with the title/credits changed, usually by shady publishers or self-publishers<br />
* more elaborate schemes whose perpetrators plagiarized sections of other authors' works<br />
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The first type is fairly straightforward, but the second type is hard to catch. For example, volumes 29 and 33 in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?4950 ''Casca'' series] were retroactively removed from the series over allegations of plagiarism in April-June 2013. It happened 3-5 years after their original publication even though the Casca fandom is very active. It's not something that we, bibliographers, can realistically identify on our own.<br />
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Over the last few months I have seen a number of reports of plagiarists using software to scrape Web-published stories, massage them using ChatGPT and put them on Amazon, e.g. [https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgressionFantasy/comments/18v1d5e/attention_authors_of_rr_there_has_been_a_spree_of/ this episode over the Christmas holidays]. I suspect it's going to be a pain to deal with. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:29, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Bard II ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291859; Wrong cover, it has price and ISBN of earlier printing, I can't find right cover, if anyone else can, can you upload it and replace this one? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:47, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Also, The First Long Ship (or Longship on some sites) which has no cover online I can find so if it exists and someone can find it that needs uploading, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:03, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Galactic Central Images ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5867682; The only other site I can find that has this cover is Camelot Books; I was going to upload it when I thought of checking Philsp and found it hiding there. Is the owner(s) of that site ever going to upgrade to HTTPS? Right-click and "open image in new tab" does show the image but it still would be better if that didn't have to be done. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:43, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Last I heard, the owner said that he had no plans to upgrade to HTTPS. That said, browser vendors have been making it harder to access HTTP sites, which puts pressure on site owners to upgrade. It remains to be seen how it may affect Galactic Central in the future. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:21, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== German Playboy ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?757; While replacing sideways Amazon cover with better straight cover for one of these books I noticed there are 8 or 9 that don't have cover credits (last book was unpublished so likely no cover exists); since most covers in the series were originally on English-language books it's likely the missing ones were, too, so if anyone can recognize the art then artists can be entered and variants can be made. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:08, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Brian Ames Title ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?119003; I added a link to a MOTA anthology over a year ago and there's a 2002 story by Brian Ames which editors before me seemed to have trouble deciding how to enter (see extensive title edit history), eventually settling on a symbol; however, in his collection someone entered the title as "grey blob", which is what it actually looks like in the anthology. So the 2 stories are the same and should be merged but what should the title be entered as? This reminds me of that David J. Schow horror story where nobody can ever decide how to enter it and eventually settled on "scribbled graffiti" or this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?76213, but at least Oates can get away with that because most of her work is pretentious "literary" stuff, anyway. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:22, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Merged [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2148942 here]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:39, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Duplicate finder -- NOVEL/CHAPBOOK? ==<br />
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The "Duplicate Finder" program, which exists in three incarnations -- one for Author pages, one for Title pages and one for Publication pages -- searches for potential duplicate titles and then lets you merge them. Its default mode of operations is "exact", which means that two (or more) titles need to have the exact same spelling as well as the same authors in order to be considered potential duplicates.<br />
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The "exact" mode also ignores unlikely title type mismatches. For example, if one title record is SHORTFICTION and another one is NOVEL, they won't be flagged as potential duplicates. However, the "exact" mode currently flags NOVEL and CHAPBOOK titles with identical titles and authors as potential duplicates. I am thinking that this is likely more harmful than useful and would like to propose that we change the behavior of the "exact" mode to skip identical NOVEL/CHAPBOOK pairs. Ideas? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:35, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I agree. As it is currently, we could accidentally merge titles incorrectly. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:40, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::I also agree. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:21, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::: I use that one a lot especially when adding juvenile chapbooks to prolific authors (mainly Fixer's) - because of how Amazon has these, they rarely make it to addPubs and not having the duplicate finder highlight the previously entered novel (a lot of these are stored as novels and need conversion) makes it more likely not to see the other version on the page. So I would rather not lose it... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:43, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: Let me clarify that the Duplicate Finder's "similar" mode would continue to flag NOVEL, SHORTFICTION and CHAPBOOK titles as potential duplicates after the proposed change. Would it be sufficient for Fixer-originated use cases? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:41, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::: But we do not have a similar mode in the pubs/titles Duplicate finder. The one I use is the one that triggers when you click on "Check for Duplicate Titles" after a Pub/Title Edit. Which I believe is "exact". If I need to go to the author page every time to run a separate similar mode check, it will add steps. Plus in some of these authors, it will highlight a lot of things which is different from the current case where it is a quick check that finds usually a single match when it does. I can make it work - but it will add to the workflow. One option may be to allow the similar as an option on pub/title duplicate finder - keep the exact as a default but allow a similar to be run with a click how we do it on author page's find duplicates? A separate click which is right there will help. <br />
::::: And this is not just for Fixer usecases - I've needed it when moderating as well often enough in a similar usecase - we have chapbook/novel and a new(ish) member adds the same as the other. <br />
::::: If the proposal is to remove it from the 'Author' exact duplicate finder only with no change for the pub/title duplicate finder, then I am fine with removing it there. But the way the proposal reads, it sounds like we are not going to show it in the default mode in either :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 10:45, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::::: Thanks for the clarification. I forgot about the fact that the versions of the Duplicate Finder software used on Publication and Title pages do not support "similar" and "aggressive" modes. If memory serves, the reason was performance -- there can be thousands of titles with "similar" spellings where "similar" is defined as an 85% overlap, the current threshold value.<br />
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:::::: It sounds like what we may need is a new Duplicate Finder mode. Something that would be the same as the "exact" mode except that it would also flag identical CHAPBOOK/NOVEL title pairs. It would be made available on all three Duplicate Finder pages.<br />
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:::::: If it sounds workable, I can look into what it would take to implement it. I suspect that it should be a fairly straightforward change, but I am not 100% sure. We'll also need to come up with an intuitive name for the new mode. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:11, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::: That will work for me. And if you are going to do it, we may think about throwing an anthology/collection/omnibus format mix in the same mode (same usecase essentially - especially around juveniles and novellas previously added as novels). And even poem/shortfiction? Maybe simply pull all the format discrepancy matches out from Exact (requiring a format match in it) and move them to their own type of duplicate finder mode. That will also make it less likely for someone to merge by mistake based on the standard duplicate find.[[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:27, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::::::: You could have "type" be an independent modifier applied to any of the three modes. Something like "Match identical types only", on by default. That would also be easy to extend to other criteria (e.g., language) in the future without having a cross product of mode choices. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 14:26, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::::::: Good point! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:43, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) After experimenting on the development server and paying closer attention when working on the Clean Authors cleanup, I think I have a better appreciation for Annie's concerns. At this point clicking "Check for Duplicate Titles" post-approval is second nature for moderators and self-approvers. When a submission adds a NOVEL publication, it's very helpful to know that a CHAPBOOK pub with the same title already exists in the database, especially if the submitter is a robot. Requiring the approving moderator to click yet another link/button would mess with the workflow.<br />
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I suppose we could change the Duplicate Finder logic to ignore CHAPBOOK/NOVEL duplicates by default, but display a yellow warning -- and a link to the more relaxed version of the Duplicate Finder -- if they exist. I am not sure it would be ideal, though. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:34, 31 January 2024 (EST)<br />
: As long as it is a link and not a need to go elsewhere or to go to the author level, that will work for me. <br />
: I'd also want to ask for the anthology/collection/omnibus and the poem/short fiction checks to be added to the chapbook/novel both for the yellow warning and the more relaxed one - both of these happen often enough to be annoying if we lose the ability to see them on the duplicate finder. Unless the plan is to leave these into the default one - in which case, we are fine. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:45, 31 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: After thinking some more about this issue, it occurs to me that there may be another way to approach this issue. Currently, most post-approval Web pages display links that let you view/edit the updated/added record or, for some submission types like Make Variant, multiple records. A few post-submission pages also link to the Duplicate Finder or other pages.<br />
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:: However, there is nothing preventing the post-approval software from quietly checking the status of the added/updated record(s) and displaying appropriate warnings. For example, the post-approval page for NewPubs could run the Duplicate Finder behind the scenes and then display a message like:<br />
::* The added publication record includes a title record with the same title and authors as another title record. Use the Duplicate Finder link above to see the details.<br />
:: This warning message would be easy to implement and moderators would no longer have to worry about forgetting to click "Duplicate Finder" after approving NewPub submissions. Does this sound useful?<br />
:: If we choose to add this warning message, we could still decide to tweak the Duplicate Finder logic later, but I think the message should be implemented first since it changes the workflow. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:53, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::: That will be useful -- I am not sure how many false alerts will show up and how they will be treated (especially from the less experienced moderating users - usually the self-approvers) but other from that, any checks the software can do for me are always welcome. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:08, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: OK, {{FR|1592}}, "Warning after approving NewPub submissions which create potential duplicates", has been created. We'll see how useful it will be. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:48, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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=== Duplicate Finder enhancements -- Outcome ===<br />
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{{FR|1592}} has been implemented. After approving NewPub/AddPub/ClonePub/EditPub submissions, moderators and self-approvers will now see a yellow warning and a link to the Duplicate Finder if the created/affected publication record contains one (or more) title records which have the same title(s) and author(s) as other title records in the database. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:58, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Moondust ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?22737; I added a whole bunch of edits for Rosemary Harris books and also found a PDF link for her early uncollected story "Hamlin" at Galactic Journey. Looking through their list of PDF's I noticed a Swann link and, thinking it would be a short story, I clicked it and it turned out to be the full original edition of his novel Moondust which has no copies at the usual places like Internet Archive or Luminist. I'm guessing there's more novels hiding in that list but for now I'll just ask if anyone owns the book and wouldn't mind transcribing the text on the last 2 pages and adding it to the record because those are missing in the PDF. I'm not sure what copyright rules are for a 50+-year-old book but I think a page or two would count as an excerpt and wouldn't bother anyone, right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:43, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:That can get complicated. Since this was first published in 1968 in the United States, and if it was published with a copyright notice, the copyright expires at the end of 2063 (meaning it becomes public domain on January 1, 2064). If it was published without a copyright notice, since it was published between 1964 and 1977, it is now in the public domain. See [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Public_domain#When_does_copyright_expire? here] for more details. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:27, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Looking at the PDF copy from the link you submitted, the copyright notice is very clear on the back of the title page. This means the copyright doesn't expire until 2064, so we shouldn't be linking to a pirated PDF copy. I rejected the link addition. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:30, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::So does that mean that all the 330 or so Luminist.org PDF's currently linked on ISFDB are pirated, too? Because I don't think most of those are public domain; I would know because I'm the one who added most of the links. Has any mod in the history of this site ever gotten a request from anyone to remove a Luminist PDF? I'd be curious to know. When someone pirates something and uploads it, they love to add their name, fake as it may be, to the upload, similar to how computer game crackers decades ago loved to add their names to the crack, usually with some animation and music (which were sometimes better than those in the game itself); believe me, I could easily add hundreds of Internet Archive links to rare books right now except for the fact that the uploaders converted them to crap e-editions with removed page numbers. I don't see anything like that in Moondust so it's likely someone's personal copy they converted to a PDF; it's clearly the original paperback with page numbers and a bookstore sticker on the cover and everything. Since Swann died in 1976 and the last reprint as far as ISFDB (and WorldCat) say was in 1977 I doubt anyone would care if a PDF was linked to here; any serious collector would want a physical copy. My suggestion would be to un-reject it. Barring that, I'll just go ahead and make a note with the address of the PDF but not hot-linked so people know where it is but actually have to paste the URL into the address bar themselves in order to get it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:47, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::This guy, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?286234, runs the site. Looks legit to me; he even published a magazine of the same title. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:08, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: The question about the status of Luminist-hosted PDF files is an interesting one. I should first note that I became aware of the Luminist Web site back in 2010 when we were given permission to link to Luminist-hosted images. I was under the impression that the files that they host were similar to [https://www.gutenberg.org/help/copyright.html Gutenberg-hosted "copyright-cleared" files], which is why I have been approving their addition for the last few years.<br />
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::::However, reading the copyright statement on the [http://www.luminist.org/archives/ main Luminist page]:<br />
::::* This collection may contain copyrighted material which has not been specifically authorized for our use. The copyright law of the United States (Title 17, United States Code) provides for making “fair use” copies of copyrighted materials under certain conditions, including that that the reproduction is not to be used commercially or “for any purpose other than private study, scholarship, or research.” By accessing files linked to this site you are agreeing to abide by these restrictions. If you do not agree, do not download. If any copyright owner objects to our inclusion of their material on this web site, please do not harass our hosting providers; just contact us with the pertinent information. We will remove contested content promptly upon receipt of legitimate requests. Readers who wish to obtain a permanent copy of any item are encouraged to acquire one from a bookseller of their choice. Readers may contact us for assistance in locating copies for purchase. <br />
:::: I see that they expect their users to download PDF files for "private study, scholarship, or research" purposes and, apparently, not for permanent use. This relies on an interpretation of the [https://copyright.columbia.edu/basics/fair-use.html "fair use" doctrine] which seems a bit too stretchy to me, but I am not an expert in the field. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:09, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::OK, sounds good to me, "private study" clearly can mean reading the book and since they're being linked at ISFDB that covers the scholarship/research part. Also, what I took to be a Galactic Journey magazine is just a few random pages from the webzine with a couple of essay links, 1 of which is movie-related and probably doesn't qualify, but there's some Hugo Award nomination so I guess they count; the first entry is totally blank and was actually entered by user "galacticjourney" himself with mods questioning on his page why he entered it since it's a webzine. The site is still running currently and has hundreds of essays, many of which would be suitable for entry here, I'm sure. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:25, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::::: Let me clarify what I meant by "a bit too stretchy". The part of the Copyright Law that they cite -- "for any purpose other than private study, scholarship, or research" -- doesn't come from the "fair use" clause ([https://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107 Section 107 of the Copyright Act].) Instead it comes from [https://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#108 Section 108, "Reproduction by libraries and archives"]. Section 108 is a lengthy section with a set of provisions that are completely different from the "fair use" provisions in Section 107. It's odd that the Luminist Web site cites Section 108 ("libraries and archives") language to support what they state is a Section 107 ("fair use") exception.<br />
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:::::: I should add that both Section 107 and Section 108 lawsuits can get complex and technical as we saw during [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hachette_v._Internet_Archive Hachette v. Internet Archive] in 2020-2023. My knowledge of these topics is very limited, but hopefully other editors may have more in-depth knowledge and/or relevant experience in this field. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:38, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::::: I have started a [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Linking_to_third_party_Web_pages_--_defining_.22legally_posted.22 Rules and Standards discussion] to see if we can come up with unambiguous rules for linking to third party-hosted texts. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:50, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Reactor?!? ==<br />
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I was at my awful local public library printing out various articles and short stories for free which is the only positive thing about libraries these days and after my hour was up I realized I forgot to check Tor.com to see if they published any new fiction (horror only, please, no SF or fantasy) so I checked when I got home and got a scary-looking page which made me think a computer virus had finally taken hold of my laptop after not having one for many years but it turns out that Tor apparently has re-named themselves Reactor. Is anyone else aware of this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:08, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
: Yes, they announced it a few weeks ago. New site, new name (to differentiate them from the Tor.com publisher), same team, same contents. All the old links to their old site should be forwarding cleanly to the new one. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:30, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
: And the [https://reactormag.com/tor-com-to-become-reactor-debut-new-site-on-january-23rd/ announcement] and [https://reactormag.com/answering-your-questions-about-tor-coms-change-to-reactor/ Q&A] about it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:31, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: I suspect that the part of the FAQ that is most likely to affect us is this:<br />
::* SFF literature is still the heart of what we do, and that’s our priority. We’ll just also be open to related subjects of interest, from nonfic to romantasy, pirates to gardening, and so on.<br />
:: So it looks like they will have more non-genre content going forward, but they expect to remain primarily SF-oriented for the foreseeable future. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:23, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Chinese Godzilla? ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=%E6%80%AA%E7%8D%A3%E3%82%B4%E3%82%B8%E3%83%A9&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22; If anyone knows what this is about and decides it warrants entering, thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:18, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Magic German Cats ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?33710; There was a 1999 German edition under a new title, https://archive.org/details/katmagie13katten0000unse, in case anyone fluent wants to enter that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:02, 30 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== ZOLTAR ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_verifier&O_2=exact&TERM_2=Zoltar&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication]; Polish primary verifier seemed to be very active in 2012 and then nothing, they left a lot of their 300+ PV unfinished with missing info, mentioning this in case anyone fluent in Polish wants to follow up on any of them and add or fix anything. I thought of this before but remembered it today after finding a photo for Jerzy Sosnowski on FantLab and an archived copy of the anthology PL +50 which his story on ISFDB appears in. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:45, 30 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== verification email ==<br />
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I have tried several times to elicit a verification email but nothing has arrived. I've checked junk & trash as well. Is this simply not working? {{unsigned|Starman99}}<br />
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: I am afraid this is a common occurrence, which we [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#What_if_I_don.27t_receive_the_confirmation_email.3F discuss in the ISFDB FAQ]:<br />
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:* Different email servers have different automated rules which may block email coming from certain Web sites, which makes it hard to tell what's preventing ISFDB confirmation email from being delivered to your mailbox.<br />
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:* Note, however, that confirmation emails are optional as far as ISFDB is concerned. As long as you can log in, you have full access to all ISFDB features including Advanced Search, display preferences, submission creation etc.<br />
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: Since you were able to post the message above, you should be all set :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:11, 30 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Ace Dates ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5872024; Can someone on the long list of editors find out where someone got month from? Whoever entered many of these old PB long ago was very random about noting where they got the month, but I remember it was a checklist or something so that's likely where this one came from, too. I thought it would be obvious why I added the month since it's there throughout the contents but I guess not. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:27, 30 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Berthon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=theodore+le&type=Name; Space in first entry separates same essay from its appearances elsewhere; no essay title page I can find but I did see a contents page of Frankenstein File that says, um, Ted Le Berthon, https://www.ebay.com/itm/334647759422. So, if anyone can verify, a merge or variant will be needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:08, 31 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== I'm looking for a book title ==<br />
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Hello everyone,<br />
I'm looking for a book title. I read the book years ago probably in the 80s. A quick summary the world is divided by a massive mountain range. I think that the protagonist must climb the mountain range in order to become the ruler. They climb the mountain only to find a deep valley on the other side with an even higher mountain range behind it. The protagonist ultimately climbs the second mountain range where they find another land on the far side with another intelligent species. This has been driving me batty and I would appreciate it if anyone knows what this books title is and who wrote it. Thank you. {{Unsigned2|19:21, February 1, 2024| Firefighterbgrg }}<br />
:If no one here is able to help you, we have a [[ISFDB:FAQ#I need help finding a book|section in our FAQ]] that gives several places where you can ask for help finding the book. Good luck! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:15, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Darrah Chavey ==<br />
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I learn via [https://news.ansible.uk/a439.html Ansible] today that Darrah Chavey left this mortal coil on 6 January. He was always a learned and consistent editor to work alongside at the ISFDB... Happy trails Darrah, Rest In Peace. :( [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 10:39, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Yes, indeed. There was a brief [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Darrah_Chavey.27s_Passing Community Portal discussion on 2024-01-11] and Darrah's database record was updated. RIP. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:01, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Gardner F. Fox's text story in "Strange Adventures" ==<br />
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Earlier today a Usenet poster pointed out that {{A|Gardner F. Fox}} published "The Magic Maker of Rann", a text story, in the comic ''Strange Adventures'' #226. The story is lavishly illustrated, but the text works just fine even if you were to reprint it without illustrations, which is how we determine whether a story is "graphic".<br />
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The whole thing is available [https://thedorkreview.blogspot.com/2012/01/adam-stranges-magic-maker-of-rann.html online], illustrations included. Should we treat ''Strange Adventures'' as a non-genre periodical and list this story? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:32, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:I've entered a number of Eando Binder stories from the {{Series|Lieutenant Jon Jarl of the Space Patrol}} series that originally appeared in {{Series|Captain Marvel Adventures}} comic, and I entered them in exactly the manner you suggest. I believe some of these stories have been reprinted as text alone, so I felt I was on pretty safe ground. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:43, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Lost Ark Storybook ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5880702; ISBN belongs to Scholastic edition judging by a back cover I saw online. There's a later (3rd) trade printing on Archive.org with trade and library ISBN on the copyright page so either this record should be made Scholastic or a new record created for Random House edition(s). I've been adding dozens of Wikipedia links to novelizations recently and I've come across some other issues like this (only one I can remember is Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade by Anne Digby which has pub. series as Hippo Books but that actually belongs to the UK edition which I made a new record for) so when these are approved a check and some fixing/adding is probably needed for at least a few of them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:50, 3 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Rise of the Silver Surfer ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?346021; I made an edit fixing typo "udpated" to "updated", surprisingly the only such error on all of ISFDB, and realized that this edition was likely never published with AbeBooks having a weird "cover to be unveiled" photo. So unless someone can find evidence of a copy I think this should get the unpublished date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:30, 3 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Parnassus Wizard of Earthsea ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/wizardofearthsea00ursu; I added a link to a Parnassus edition based on someone's extensive notes here (no number line or smudge on title page) but there are some editions of this book only linked from Open Library including the one above which has a price much higher than any other book from the publisher on ISFDB but copyright page has same info as 1969 2nd printing so if anyone knows a way to determine the date a new edition can be added. There's an ancient ISFDB bibliography from 2006 by Ahasuerus, https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Author:Ursula_K._Le_Guin, which could probably use some updating unless it's been updated somewhere else. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:08, 4 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Pranks ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?17626; I've made edits for all editions before, original 1983 Amazon cover seems to have disappeared leading to a broken image so I replaced it, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5882029, then I replaced OL/Archive cover which is too dark with an Amazon cover, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5882020, that isn't great but is brighter and still retains the sparkly stuff on the title that Leisure used to attract people to buy their books which then led to disappointment when the buyers realized the novels themselves were usually crap, the latest edition is fine as is, so now I think the 1983 edition with the wrong price and ISBN should be deleted and the image uploaded by Chris J. should be removed from the Wiki since it seems to be the badly creased cover that's still on Amazon with unnecessary back cover included. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:17, 5 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Felix Kelly ==<br />
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I entered new records for Faber anthologies Best Murder Stories and Best Murder Stories 2 which are mostly genre or by genre authors; I also looked at Best Tales of Terror, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4213, and even though I know I've seen that cover many times I never noticed until seeing it full-sized on FantLab that there's a very clear signature lower right, FELIX KELLY. I entered that in an edit but the problem is that the record for him, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?255975, might be the same artist who did the 1956 art but can't be the guy from 1879. So there may be 2 Felix Kellys in case anyone can find out more and separate them into 2 records; it's also possible that the 1956 art was not new but taken from something drawn by the older Kelly. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:09, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Also added Margaret Wolpe as cover artist for Best Tales of Terror 2; no signature I can see but FantLab credits her + there's a copy on Dalby's site whose front flap says she did "jacket design" and the art does look like many of her other Faber covers. Also greatly updated her record with lots of bio info and noted she was married to Berthold, also an artist, and updated his record as well. Dalby's copy has a pounds price sticker covering another pound price so I'm getting the impression Faber reprinted their anthologies many times with no way to tell except the prices kept getting higher; lots of printings are probably missing so if anyone has any not on ISFDB it would be good to enter them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:03, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Adventure of the Peerless Peer ==<br />
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Are there any objections to converting [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?11929 this] to a novella? The recent ebook reprint is marked as 27k words by Kobo USA and looking at the page numbers and some of the other editions, it does feel too small to be a novel. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:41, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: It's definitely a novella. The Titan Books edition (2011) is well over 200 pages and looks like a bona fide novel, but its apparent length is due to the addition of a very long promotional excerpt from {{A|Kim Newman}}'s ''Moriarty: The Hound of the D'Urbervilles''. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:16, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Termush - convert to novella ==<br />
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Another recent reprint shows [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1443797 this one] as 25k words in English (Kobo USA count) which will leave it well short of 40K in its original Danish as well. Any objections to converting this to a novella? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:27, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== John Stanley ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5883789; See my note about artist, that Little Lulu credit in the original Stanley record belongs with I's record because, as my note in the original says, he was born in '39 or '40 so he would only have been 9 or 10 if he did that art which is unlikely; this is the right Stanley, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stanley_(cartoonist). The Melvin Monster credits belong with I, too. I have to assume the Fengriffen Stanley is not the same as I because it's a UK edition and he's American plus it's a photograph, not drawn. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:10, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Doolin ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?431777; Late PV entered James Doolin based on signature but there is none, FantLab photo has initials JPD, it's actually Joseph Doolin, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?27894, and he has an entry for the same art, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1590968. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:48, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Uncorrected Proofs ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5870146 this submission] to update {{P|29328|this record}}. I noticed that the record states that it was unpublished (8888-00-00), yet there appears to be a cover that was just added. More importantly it also describes this as an "uncorrected proof" and I had thought that proofs were outside of our [[ISFDB:Policy#Contents/Project Scope Policy|scope]]. The policy specifically excludes Advance Reading Copies unless available for sale to the public. Do uncorrected proofs differ from ARCs in terms of determining scope? This seems straightforward to me and I believe the publication should be deleted. If others disagree and this requires a full discussion, we can move this the the Rules and Standards board. Thoughts? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:59, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
: I read the rules the same way you do - ARCs and uncorrected proofs are out. However, we do keep records of unpublished but announced books (these are in scope under the <i>announced but never published (entered as "unpublished")</i> part of ROA) so I would not delete this one as it is under that category. So ARC/uncorrected proof of a book that comes out will not be eligible but if the book never makes it out, adding the notes about it into the 8888 book are fine I think. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:22, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: Comparing this publication record with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3379 other, published, editions of the book], I note that it has a different ISBN in addition to a different publisher name. I typically enter announced-then-canceled ISBNs as 8888-00-00 publication records under the rule referenced by Annie. Their presence in our database helps answer a common question: "Whatever happened to this apparent first edition? Why can't I find any copies for sale?" We all know how obsessed collectors can get when it comes to first editions and our database is frequently the only readily accessible place that explains what happened to a "disappeared" ISBN. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:51, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::I've no argument with a publication record for an announced, but unpublished book. However, an unpublished book and an uncorrected proof are two different things. The notes on this record confuse the issue as to what the record represents. The addition of a cover scan and artist further confuses things. How are we able to display a cover of a book that was never published? I would suggest that the notes be reworked to indicate that a proof was done as evidence of the planned publication. We could replace the first two sentences with "The Bluejay Books imprint was dissolved late in 1986 just after an uncorrected proof for this planned edition was printed in September of that year." I would also recommend deleting the cover of the proof and rejecting the addition of an artist. I do worry that if we were to make an exception and allow a record specifically for an uncorrected proof when the book is never published, it would encourage the addition of other proofs and ARCs especially by those editors who surmise rules by examples of what is already in the database. If others think this should be a valid exception to allow records for proofs, then we should document it in the scope page as is done with ARCs offered for sale. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:00, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::: That sounds like a plan and the proposed change in the notes sounds fine to me - that will make it clear that the record is here because the book was announced and not because it had an ARC/uncorrected proofs done. I am at two minds about the cover - if it was announced with the book, recording it makes sense as it may help trace it to an artist later on and as it is part of the record after all. But other from that - I agree that we need to be careful not to confuse ARCs and unpublished books per se - although when a publication fails through often varies so there are ARCs out there for books that do not make it - that one being an example. Maybe all we need is to strengthen the language to specify that the exclusion is for books that end up being published - thus allowing the usecase we have here without a concern. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:06, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::::I agree that the pub record should stay because it falls under "announced but never published" and agree with Ron that the problem with it as it stands is that the pub note gives the impression that the record has been created for the proof, not the unpublished book. Ron's tweak to the pub note solves this problem.<br />
:::::Further notes and suggestions:<br />
:::::1) I agree that mentioning the proof in the pub note is a good idea. It is evidence that the book was announced.<br />
:::::2) I definitely think the cover image should be deleted. It should either be omitted or of the final cover. The latter assumes the publisher reached that stage and that we could find the image. All very unlikely. The cover image is more than just the artwork; it's also the colouring, wording, layout and typography and those aspects of the proof cover clearly wouldn't reflect the final version.<br />
:::::3) I would delete the OCLC/WorldCat External ID and just mention it in the pub note because it refers specifically to the uncorrected proof and not the unpublished final work.<br />
:::::4) I'm ambivalent about importing the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?950860 coverart record]. It's clear from the cover of the proof that Ron Walotsky was the intended artist so this falls under "announced but never published" but it would need a pub note explaining the source and why there's no image.<br />
:::::5) I'm broadly against making an exception for including ARC's / proofs when the book was unpublished although I do see Annie's point of view. But I think it's an unnecessary complication and veers back towards Ron's point about "encourage the addition of other proofs and ARC's especially by those editors who surmise rules by examples of what is already in the database" which is something I strongly agree we want to avoid. Also, if we do permit this exception, how do we implement it? Does it mean we would have two pub records: one for the unpublished work and one for the proof? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 07:46, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::I've gone ahead and change the notes as discussed above. I've also moved the Worldcat number and the cover into the notes so that it's clear the record is for the unpublished work and not for the proof. I'll reject the held edit. Let me know if someone disagrees with these changes. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:47, 12 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== N. Carroll ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?165703; The stories belong with the other Carroll but that ndp thing doesn't look right to me so maybe some other differing addition should replace it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:58, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Author attribution on the three stories, initially credited to Noël Carrol, has been corrected. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 07:57, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Thanks. I still think it's weird about that (ndp) because there's thousands of nom de plumes on ISFDB but this is the only one that has that added on the end of the name. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:28, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Well, we have some with (pseudonym) attached, and I'd think that'd be more meaningful (ndp isn't a colloquial abbreviation), or just a (I) attached. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:52, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::I don't think we should use any parentheticals if we can avoid it. Since we have the (I) thing we already use extensively, I think that would be the best option for any that are currently using "(pseudonym)" as a disambiguator. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:20, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::: There are reasons why I chose to set the author up as Noel Carroll (ndp). However, it's not worth our time to debate. I have changed it to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?373877 Noel Carroll]. Not sure that the standards imply that Roman numerals are the preferred dismbiguator. [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_separate_two_authors_with_the_same_name Here] is the applicable help section. Thanks for your interest, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:06, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Karen Simmons ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1117998; She's the wife of Dan Simmons, credited for author photograph in the HC which can be seen on eBay, [https://www.picclickimg.com/images/g/04sAAOSw1Mdltkv~/s-l1600.jpg], art is likely by one of the regular Headline cover artists, Chris Moore maybe, but I don't see a signature. So her credit should be removed. I noticed a 2nd printing of the Headline PB on Archive.org which has that same art (and price) but different blurbs on top and bottom so I'm going to enter that now. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:37, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:Hi! There's a primary verification by Faustus. It'd be meaningful if you contact him to shed some light on the actual credit. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:49, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Hi! There's no credit on the PB because there's no author photo like there is on the back of the HC. 2nd printing PB I just entered has no art credit. I'm sure someone here familiar with UK PB artists will identify it in some artist's book sooner or later but it's certainly not by Dan's wife. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:08, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Wesso ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5885644; Wiki says 1893. Anyone here who can find proof it's really 1894? I looked for a headstone but couldn't find one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:49, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Story about the Premiere of Rite of Spring ==<br />
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I'm looking for the short story (probably from 1970s) about recreating the experience of the premiere of The Rite of Spring by giving all of the audience members a new drug. I believe this was in one of the better short story annuals of the era.<br />
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Most of my book collection is in storage, alas, so I can't find this by leafing through my old pulp. {{Unsigned2|17:38, February 8, 2024| Martycohen36 }}<br />
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== Black Christmas ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?878255; While entering Wikipedia links for tons of novelizations I came across this rare 1976 one for the classic 1974 horror film. The original edition is apparently very rare because I've looked everywhere and can't find a copyright page that doesn't have the word FANGORIA on it because apparently Fangoria Magazine reprinted it in 2008 (although there is very little mention of this online). It does include the original info so I was able to enter the month (February, which is odd because you'd think it would be late in the year to capitalize on the holiday) but if anyone has a 1976 copy can you verify what it says on it? The film was Canadian and book says "Printed in Canada" so possibly it was only published there in which case the price will need a C added to it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:18, 9 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Riddle of the Exodus ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?185298; Not fiction, religious history book, https://openlibrary.org/works/OL8166080W/The_Riddle_of_the_Exodus?edition=key%3A/books/OL8566162M, probably should be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:30, 9 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Deleted. I question if the author of the religious book is the same author as of the BattleTech books. I couldn't find anything on the religious author's sites that connect him to the BattleTech books. I will ping the active verifier for the BattleTech book to see if there is an author blurb. If not (or it indicates it is a different author), I will remove the the current author info from {{A|James D. Long}}. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:31, 10 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Philfreund has confirmed the BattleTech book provides no biographical information on the author. I have removed the author info from {{A|James D. Long}} as it is more than likely a different person. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:28, 11 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Mutant Chronicles ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?250352; I replaced the cover; if anyone knows about the old one, whether it was an early one that was rejected or if it belongs to a different edition, a note about early art or a new record for the other edition if it exists would be good. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:09, 11 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Lieutenant Teasdale R.O.N. ==<br />
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I need to make several changes to the pub records for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3126730 Lieutenant Teasdale R.O.N.]. The tp edition has a sole PV by the late Biomassbob but he somehow missed showing that Paula Goodlett is the co-author of the work. Amazon also shows the pub date for that edition as 2023-12-07, not 2023-12-02 as currently shown in the pub record. The 12-07 date makes more sense since all of the other self-published books by Gorg Hoff and Paula Goodlett have the ebook edition published the day prior to the tp edition. Any objection to my making changes? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 12:21, 12 February 2024 (EST)<br />
: Mistakes happen :) Go ahead - make sure the notes clarify where the date is coming from. And while you are there, we do not use "Independently published" as a publisher - so can you also fix that (author names are used when there is no publisher). I will sort out the other 2 we have under that publisher later today. Thanks for finding this one! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:44, 12 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Done. I also corrected the title for the Interiorart maps record to match current standards. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:29, 12 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Locus1 Secondary Verifications ==<br />
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Occasionally I come across pubs that have been SVd to Locus1 solely on the basis of their mention as the first edition of a later publication. The first one I encountered, as a very rookie editor, was this one: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?197293 David Brin / Sundiver]. I asked the SVer, Rtrace, about it and received [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace/Archive15#David_Brin_.2F_Sundiver this explanation]. For the purposes of this thread I shall refer to these as "indirect listings".<br />
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The most recent one I have encountered is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?191929 David Gerrold / Chess with a Dragon] and it is this pub record that has prompted this thread because there is a clear contradiction between the SV to Locus1 and the pub note "Locus1 fails to list this pub (as of 2010-06-21)."<br />
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So my question is: should these indirect listings be allowed as SVs to Locus1? If I ruled the world I would not permit them because I don't think they conform to a general user's expectation of a Locus1 listing and they can cause confusion and inconsistencies as demonstrated by the Gerrold record. However, I do not feel strongly about this. I accept Ron's point that these indirect listings provide at least as much information as Clute/Nicholls and if the consensus is that they should be allowed then I can live quite happily with this.<br />
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However, if we do allow them then this Help page: [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Reference:Verification_Sources Reference:Verification_Sources] needs amendment. The matrix currently states that Locus1 provides "All" the information for fields such as Pages, Price and others but this is not true for the indirect listings. So either:<br />
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a) The relevant fields for Locus1 should be changed from "All" to "Some" (or maybe "Most").<br />
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b) A note should be added to the page explaining Locus1 indirect listings and clarifying that the values in the matrix for Locus1 only apply to full listings.<br />
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I prefer solution b).<br />
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Opinions please. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:38, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: An interesting point. So basically Locus1 has two types of records. One type covers editions published between 1984 and 2007 and includes publication details. The other type covers first editions (including editions published before 1984) and only lists their year and publisher. In an ideal world, we may want to create a separate Secondary Verification type for the latter and call it something like "Locus1-First Edition". Unfortunately, I am not sure it would be feasible since we have over [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/stats.cgi?2 50,000 Locus1 verifications] and separating them would be a very time-consuming project. If we decide not to do it, then I agree that we should update [[Reference:Verification_Sources]] to reflect the fact that not all Locus1-verified publication records can be expected to have publication level data.<br />
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: As far as cases like {{A|David Gerrold}}'s [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?191929 Chess with a Dragon] go, I would reword Notes. Instead of saying "Locus1 fails to list this pub (as of 2010-06-21)", I would say something like "Locus1 doesn't have a detailed record for this edition, but multiple records for reprint editions refer to it as the first edition." [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:48, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Yes, I realised when I started the thread that if we disallow the Locus1 indirect listings there could be a legacy issue of past records SVd to Locus1 that would be difficult to amend. This is often a problem when rules and standards are changed. So although in theory I would vote to disallow these cases, I accept it is not practical to do so. Consequently I am happy with leaving them as they are and updating [[Reference:Verification_Sources]] to reflect the fact that not all Locus1-verified publication records can be expected to have publication level data, which we both agree with.<br />
::I am working on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?191929 David Gerrold / Chess with a Dragon] and so will incorporate the change to the Locus1 pub note as you suggest. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:08, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Hearing no objection, I have clarified the "Locus1" row of [[Reference:Verification Sources]]. Thanks for identifying this issue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:12, 26 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Necronomicon in Sweden ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=d+bergho&type=Name; First name likely misspelled by PV (or magazine it appeared in) and essay is in second name's record with a much earlier date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:47, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Garland Library of SF ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?8067; I made a couple of edits adding archived link, LCCN and cover image to Past Master when I noticed that there is 1 book in the series with a UK price and 1 without any price. So if anyone can fill in the missing one and add US one (moving UK to notes) for the other then everything will be uniform. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:44, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Lou J. Berger ==<br />
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The author has requested we change his canonical name from [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?186596 Lou J. Berger] to "Lou J Berger" (no period after the "J"). See mod note [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5878281 here]. Any objections? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:32, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Checking Amazon.com's Look Inside, I see that the name was spelled "Lou J. Berger" in 2013-2014 and changed to "Lou J Berger" in 2015/2016. By now the majority of the stories use the "Lou J Berger" form of the name, so it should be our canonical name. We just need to make sure that we use the right form for the transitional (2015-2016) period. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:05, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: Author attributions were reviewed and corrected resulting in compliance with the author's request. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:16, 17 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Locus on Microfilm ==<br />
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I recently added links to the handful of random print issues of Locus that are on Archive.org, one a very early issue and the others more recent, but I just stumbled on a huge cache of microfilmed 1973-2015 issues uploaded by MicrofilmIssueGenerator so I added a link, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5893289. Not sure if this is known about already but if not I'm sure it will come in handy here for research. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:39, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Server maintenance 2024-02-18 at 11am EST ==<br />
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== Sword of the Samurai ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5894874; I have owned a copy since the 1980s and PV it here in 2022, copy uploaded to Archive.org last summer but not added until a few days ago, I think I got the right page count but if anyone disagrees feel free to tweak it a bit, you don't have to ask me. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:41, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:I see a note in the UK edition's record here says [236] so I think they counted the illustration between the first 19 pages and the start of the novel itself. Should that count? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:44, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::I would count it one way or the other, either as part of the introductory material (so, technically on [20]) or as part of the main material. A page number on that first page of main text would have been a useful guide.... I found an eBay listing of the Puffin edition that has some interior photographs. Not of the page in question, but the TOC and other leading material looks identical to what Archive.org shows for the edition you have. Extrapolating that to content that follows it suggests Reginald did count that illustration as part of the main material. Given the [236] there, what I will do is tweak your count to [236] and add a note about the illustration's appearance relative to the text on the surrounding pages. Just trying to save you an edit cycle; feel free to adjust it to be however you prefer -- I do not mean to insist on anything. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:07, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::Sounds good, thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:18, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Bibliographic impact of the 2023 Hugo Awards ==<br />
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The current pre-release cover of {{A|Samantha Mills}}'s debut novel [https://www.amazon.com/Wings-Upon-Her-Back-ebook/dp/B0CVS2RDH8 ''The Wings Upon Her Back''] says "Nebula and Hugo Award Winner". On 2024-02-17 Mills disavowed the award and announced that she would have "Hugo winner" removed from future editions of the book:<br />
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* [https://samtasticbooks.com/2024/02/17/rabbit-test-unwins-the-hugo/ “Rabbit Test” unwins the Hugo]: ... on Tuesday I’ll send a very awkward email to my agent and editor summarizing the situation ... and figure out the logistics of removing “Hugo winner” from the ebook and future printings. The first print run will be a limited edition novelty, I suppose? Jeez.<br />
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This may not be an isolated occurrence since, as Samantha Mills wrote (among other things):<br />
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* On February 14, a report written by Jason Sanford and Chris M. Barkley was simultaneously released on the [https://jasonsanford.substack.com/p/the-2023-hugo-awards-a-report-on Genre Grapevine] and [https://file770.com/the-2023-hugo-awards-a-report-on-censorship-and-exclusion/ File770]. ... we also got a look at [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rhCwKLMydCto6HvXvcqjR553DqrhTfBu/view the validation list itself], aka the tables of frontrunner nominees being vetted for the final ballot, and a horrible pattern emerged, especially in the fiction categories: there were a whole lot of Chinese nominees in frontrunner positions who just… vanished, and never made it onto the final ballot. There were so many, in fact, that if I am reading this document correctly: ''not a single fiction winner'' (short story, novelette, novella, novel, or series) would have even been a finalist if those nominees hadn’t been taken off.<br />
* There’s an indicator of why in the apology letter from the admin who leaked the emails and validation tables: “We were told there was collusion in a Chinese publication that had published a nominations list, a slate as it were, and so those ballots were identified and eliminated.”<br />
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From our perspective, this means that we will need to:<br />
* Update the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?78890 “Rabbit Test” Award record] to indicate that the author disavowed the award, similar to how [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?9534 this award record] explains that {{A|Judy-Lynn del Rey}}'s posthumous "Best Professional Editor" award was refused by her husband {{A|Lester del Rey}}.<br />
* Keep an eye on [https://www.amazon.com/Wings-Upon-Her-Back-ebook/dp/B0CVS2RDH8 ''The Wings Upon Her Back''] to make sure that the correct covers are used for the first and any subsequent editions of the novel.<br />
* Be on the lookout for possible other announcements of authors disavowing 2023 Hugo awards.<br />
* Occasionally check "Worldcon Intellectual Property" announcements. On January 30, 2024 they issued [https://www.wsfs.org/2024/01/31/announcements-from-worldcon-intellectual-property/ a statement] censuring multiple people "for actions of the Hugo Administration Committee of the Chengdu Worldcon" and said that "There may be other actions taken or to be taken that are not in this announcement." If and when they make additional statements about the Hugos awarded at the 2023 Worldcon, we may need to update our records.<br />
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[[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:55, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Earlier today {{A|Adrian Tchaikovsky}} disavowed his 2023 Hugo award for Best Series on [https://adriantchaikovsky.com/ his Web site]. The [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?78915 award record] has been updated. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:56, 21 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::These notes are exactly the correct action for us, I think. If we had notes for an award year, it would probably be desirable to add something for the 2023 Hugos. Although, getting a properly neutral description of the controversy free of personal biases (and I have many in this instance), would be tricky. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:57, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: One of the challenges that the 2023 Hugos present is that it's still a developing story. What we knew 10 days ago is very different from what we know today. Perhaps we'll learn more in the future.<br />
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::: For example, back in late January I came across a re-post/translation of a Chinese fan's comments about the Hugos. The post stated that the fan had been involved in the Hugo process (committee member?) and that he or she had a conflict with Chinese members of the Hugo committee with various accusations flying back and forth. At the time I had trouble parsing the post, in part due to lacking context and in part due to the quality of the translation. In retrospect it may have been related to the following email sent by Dave McCarthy on June 7, 2023 at 6:18pm (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_QqmsxQkACoYcxSx2LVqbxD39-DJI_gS/view), which says:<br />
:::* Tomorrow I have a 4 hour meeting with my chinese counterparts to look at ballot detail and determine if any ballots are to be voided<br />
::: Perhaps either this fan or other members of the 2023 Hugo committee may clarify matters at some point. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:33, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: It would especially be useful to note that the nomination totals and the EPH points appear to be completely unreliable, since those are noted in each nomination award record. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:57, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: One thing that comes to mind is that we could change the way opening sentences are phrased. Instead of the current "1674 valid ballots cast, 944 valid ballots cast in category" we could say something like "According to the [https://www.thehugoawards.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/2023-Hugo-Award-Stats-Final.pdf voting statistics] released [https://www.thehugoawards.org/2024/01/2023-nominating-and-final-ballot-statistics-published/?ref=astrolabe.aidanmoher.com on 2024-01-20], there were 1674 valid ballots cast, 944 valid ballots cast in category". It's not much, but it would at least clarify which version of the stats our records use. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:20, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::::I've added your suggested text to the records in the Best Novel category. In addition to the ballot count at the head, I've also added it to the nomination numbers at the foot. I think it's more important there as that is where there is evidence of shenanigans. In any case, let me know if it looks good and I can update the remaining records or we tweak it if desired. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:26, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::::: Everything looks good, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:40, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: I recall that award year notes has been suggested before and there may be a feature request, though I suspect that how the award tables are structured may make this difficult. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:57, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Yes, indeed. {{FR|1086}}, "Change the award year field to a drop-down list", says "Create a new record type for award years. We can call it something like "award year" or "award ceremony". Once we have it, we will be able to add notes to award years. Notes can be used to specify when the awards were announced, when and where they were given, eligibility rules changes, etc." Unfortunately, as you said, it would be fairly time-consuming to implement. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:12, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: In any case, I do have one suggestion for the del Rey award record. We currently have the explanation of the non-acceptance of the award noted in the title field of what should be an untitled award. Perhaps we didn't have award level notes at the point that award was added. I feel that the verbiage in the title should be moved to notes and replaced with "untitled". --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:57, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: I agree. It's exactly as you said -- award records didn't have a Notes field back then. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:12, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::::I've updated [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?9534 this] and expanded the comment as a note taking my queue from Judy-Lynn's [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judy-Lynn_del_Rey Wikipedia article]. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:26, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::: Thanks. I have hyper-linked Lester del Rey's name and clarified that he was Judy-Lynn's husband. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:40, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Kater-Bound ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?22308; On all of the web there seems to be only 1 mention of Borgo Press and Kater-Bound together, https://www.lawrenceperson.com/?p=22429, although it does get a handful of hits in a text search, https://archive.org/search?query=%22kater-bound%22+%22borgo%22&sin=TXT&sort=-addeddate. This Archive.org page, https://archive.org/search?query=compton+farewell+bliss&sort=-addeddate, shows 2 editions with one being Borgo but with price on front covered and Kater-Bound sticker on back. Could this be the mysterious Borgo HC mentioned in the book's record? Also, the note about artist is wrong because he's credited on copyright page and back cover, the latter of which can be seen in the cover image. TP PV doesn't respond much so I'm asking on this board. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:09, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:The Archive.org copy is a library book, and Kater-Craft does library bindings. I believe it is not uncommon to have a retail hardcover edition and a library-binding hardcover edition of the same book. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 17:44, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Believe it or not, I have library hardcover versions of Ace Doubles. All should be listed in my opinion. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 01:00, 20 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Miriam Allen de Ford ==<br />
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Per the ''Spaces in Names'' subsection of [[:Template:PublicationFields:Author]], Miriam Allen de Ford should be standardized as {{A|Miriam Allen deFord}}. However, we have a {{A|Miriam Allen de Ford}} alternate name which was recently edited so the notes copy the rules saying it should be standardized. Instead, I propose we merge the alternate name to the canonical name in accordance with the rules. As there are a number of verified pubs, I will point the verifiers to the this discussion, If there are any objections, then we should probably have a Rules and standards discussions. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:28, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:I guess it would be like calling somebody named MacIntosh being called Mac Intosh. Still, I'll go with the majority. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 00:58, 20 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::No objection to merging, but I think the actual spelling of the name should be made clear in the notes. [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] ([[User talk:Linguist|talk]]) 04:06, 20 February 2024 (EST).<br />
:::No objection, I had three pubs, two in Croatian language I already corrected, but I have also one in Serbian language. In Serbian language names are written as they are pronounced, in this case same as written. Should I change this one as well? This is publication in question: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2277217 {{unsigned|Debolestis}}<br />
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== Ruben De Anda ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1476655; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2552505; Can anyone find proof that these are the same artists? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:45, 20 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:I don't know. But [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?107431 The Galaxy Primes] (Ace 1976) appears also to be signed by R. De Anda. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] ([[User talk:Horzel|talk]]) 08:52, 23 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Probably is but since last name is mostly covered it's hard to tell. PV Willem H. noted that it may be Rafael M. De Soto but I doubt it because he has no original cover credits on ISFDB after 1964 and this book is from 1976. There's a copy on Archive.org which I've added a link to in a PENDING edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:44, 23 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Steve Miller: RIP ==<br />
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For those who may not have seen an announcement, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?214 Steve Miller], co-author of the Liaden Universe, et al., died on February 20, 2024 at his home in Maine. His wife, author [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?418 Sharon Lee], posted [https://korval.com/2024/02/21/steven-richard-miller-1950-2024/ this obituary]. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:41, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:I added photo from FantLab which is a little bigger and shows his face better than Fantastic Fiction's photo. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:42, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Last User Activity ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?895338; What does this mean exactly? There was a question of contacting this PV RedDragonBooks about something related to a mod note I made and checking their page the last answer they gave or contribution they made was in spring of 2022 but the activity at the bottom of the record linked above says a few days ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:03, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:There are two databases: The wiki and the bibliographic database. What you see for User Contributions on their user/talk page is just their Wiki edits. What you see for Last User Activity in the verifiers' list is the date of their last activity in the bibliographic side -- the Wiki software does not know about that, only about the Wiki. That user did some verifications on 2024-02-18 but hasn't posted anything to the wiki in the past couple of years. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:56, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: Just a quick note to clarify that the software that displays the Last User Activity date checks both the Wiki side and the database side. It then displays the latest date that it finds. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:36, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Ermengarde Fisk = Evelyn E. Smith? ==<br />
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One of my friends pointed me at [https://www.fanac.org/fanzines/Oopsla/Oopsla10.pdf#view=Fit issue #10 of the 'zine Oopsla], specifically page 13. The "SHORT STORIES" section says:<br />
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Third goes to another brand-new author, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?1254 Evelyn E. Smith] ... is better known to fandom as the pseudonymous authoress of the "New York Letter" column in Slant--yeah, that's right, she's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?266764 Ermengarde Fiske].<br />
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As I don't know what the accuracy of fan writing was like nearly two decades before I was born, I don't know how reliable this info might be. Any objections to varianting these author records? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 13:49, 23 February 2024 (EST)<br />
: We already have a pseudonym there: Evelyn Smythe (intentional corruption of Evelyn Smyth E.?) which I think is based exactly on the note you cited above. I am not sure if we have enough evidence to connect the two Evelyn E. Smith's though - while very very likely, the name is not very uncommon. Maybe add some notes to both accounts until we find a better proof that the two are one and the same? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:50, 23 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Never mind, I looked at the fanzine itself now - you actually missed the smoking gun while quoting - that award over there is for a story that belongs to Evelyn E. Smith (Tea Tray in the Sky) - so yes, they are the same person. Connect them away. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:54, 23 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::: This is now done. Had a bit of a headscratcher with Ermengarde Fiske having its own alternate names, but I think everything is now correct, with all the authors pointing at Evelyn E. Smith as the canonical, and all of the title records having parent titles with that author record. However I wouldn't say no if someone wants to double check that everything is now as it should be. Thanks! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 13:44, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== J. Watson ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?224483; What do you suggest is best to add to differ 1966 Thunderbirds artist from Leading Edge writer/artist? He's on Wikipedia so I'll add that link (as Jim Watson). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:48, 24 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: See [[Help:How_to_separate_two_authors_with_the_same_name]] for ideas. Looks like "James Watson (1960s)" would work here and might be more helpful than "(I)". The situation is quite similar to the Jame Cooper examples given in that bullet. In light of the disparity in volume between their bibliographies, I think you could treat the James Watson from the 1980s as "more prominent/widely known in the Spec-Fic world" and leave it with no embedded disambiguation. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:04, 25 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::OK, thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:30, 25 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Tem Title ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?67830; Archived link to recently uploaded Chrysalis 9 HC just added by me in a PENDING edit, PV doesn't respond much, PB has one or two active PV so if they can verify it's Hit-and-Run there, too, not Hit-and-Miss, title should be changed. I vaguely remember asking about this long ago after noticing title was different in Tem's online bibliography. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:32, 25 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Hole of the Pit ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive53#Uncanny_Banquet_and_Leisure; Exactly a year-and-a-half ago I asked about Uncanny Banquet and noted the rare novel contained in it; a copy of the Oleander Press edition including the novel with a short story and a poem was recently added to Archive.org so I've added a link in a PENDING edit. Still waiting for a copy of that anthology to show up somewhere...anywhere. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:55, 25 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Series sort order? ==<br />
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I was looking at a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?2278 page for a series] and couldn't figure out the basis for the order of the sub-series. First come the numbered sub-series, in numerical order. Then the 'loose' items in chronological order. Then come the unnumbered sub-series, which are neither alphabetical or chronological by any of their contained titles. Is there a particular order to them? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 09:04, 28 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: The only order that the display software enforces is as you described above: all numbered sub-series are displayed first and the rest are displayed randomly. I think it would be fairly easy to display unnumbered sub-series alphabetically. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:36, 28 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: (after edit conflict) A more thorough review discovered that Summary pages were already sorting unnumbered sub-series alphabetically. I have adjusted the software to do the same on Series pages. Thanks for identifying the problem! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:36, 28 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::Since series tend to be written in order, displaying the unnumbered titles in chronological order may make more sense. Although, sub-series wouldn't have a date and extrapolating the date from the earliest contained title would be more complex. Perhaps, numbered items followed by unnumbered sub-series followed by everything else in chronological order. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:34, 28 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Could you please clarify what you mean by "items" in this case? Series may contain both title records and sub-series records. They use different, unrelated, numbering systems. For example, a series may contain 3 titles numbered "0.5", "1" and "2", as well as two sub-series numbered "1" and "2". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:36, 28 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::I intended items to mean both title records amd sub-series records, either of which may be numbered. What I was suggesting is that within a series (parent), each numbered item would display based on the numbering. In your example, there would be a conflict as there are both titles numbered "1" and "2" and sub-series numbered "1" and "2". Ideally, we would never assert that both a title and a sub-series should occur first in the parent series. Clearly, numbering only applies within the parent series. I believe that for numbered "items", I am not suggesting any changes to how things currently work. I had suggested a chronological sort for the remaining items based on your now corrected statement that they were displayed randomly. Given that we're already sorting alphabetically, it's probably fine to leave things as they are, unless others think a chronological sort would be preferable. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:13, 28 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== BattleTech Universe ==<br />
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The [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?1991 BattleTech Universe] series and it's sub-series all list having an Issue Grid, which suggests they are Serials / Magazines. They look like books to me. Is it a mistake in the software or entry? Might the existence of one Serial in the series propagate? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 09:12, 29 February 2024 (EST)</div>
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== PVR ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=rosenkr&type=Name; Palie von is actually Palle von per contents page photo online, novel is not genre from what I can gather online, Palle Rosenkrantz story is not genre per online reviews, neither really belong here, didn't notice this until I'd already entered bio info for Rosenkrantz, cancelled my edit, I think both names should be deleted, probably other contents from 1960 omnibus and Martin Edwards anthology are not genre and should be removed, too (there's a note in the anthology's record mentioning this). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:30, 2 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Rageot ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=rageot&type=Publisher; I have a PENDING edit fixing/adding stuff re: someone else's recent edit for a book published by Rageot and I noticed ISFDB has records for that name which was on the title page and the longer name, Rageot-Éditeur, which was on the copyright page. So really all books should probably be merged under one name. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:30, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Science Fictional Solar System ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?32159; The UK HC & book club editions say Martin H. Greenberg on their cover, 2 eBay copies of book club don't show title page, does anyone own either edition who can verify what his name is on title page? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:28, 4 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Brad Steiger Stories ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5805263; I didn't change the dates of Steiger's stories but I think they're both wrong. "Detroit", being a variant title, should have the date of this anthology, I think, and "Huntsman" should have a 1966 date as copyright page says. Am I right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:01, 5 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Yes, titles are dated per first appearance of that form of the title. Updates made. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:51, 5 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Amazon WEBP Images ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_frontimage&O_2=contains&TERM_2=w%2Fwebp&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication]; After I replaced one a few days ago and another one today I did a search and it seems most (all?) of the images with the weird URL Amazon switched to for a while are now broken. Is there a batch fix or will they have to be changed one by one (there's several hundred)? Most are not PV. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:09, 5 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I see what you mean. There are 806 affected publication records, 30 of them primary-verified. I could create a script to change the URLs of the unverified pubs, then we could ask the primary verifiers to check their pubs. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:25, 5 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: I'm sure you've already got something that could be repurposed for this, but if not:<br />
:: https://github.com/JohnSmithDev/ISFDB-Tools/blob/master/tools/submit_edits_via_api.py<br />
:: You would need to update get_bad_pub_records() to pick up the affected records - plus any additional check to not pick up verified pubs - and the regex to fix them in the first line of generate_pubdate_imagefix()<br />
:: Then 'uncomment' the PUB_COVER_EDITS code in the __main__ section. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 05:01, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: There have been quite a few scripts to mass change URL structures over the years, e.g. [https://sourceforge.net/p/isfdb/code-svn/HEAD/tree/trunk/scripts/amazon_urls_to_https.py this one from 2022]. I plan to use it as a template later today. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:17, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::I was adding an Amazon author image for Maggie Allen and the URL is weird so I did a search, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=author_image&O_1=contains&TERM_1=m.media-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FW&C=AND&USE_2=author_canonical&O_2=exact&TERM_2=&USE_3=author_canonical&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=author_canonical&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=author_canonical&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=author_canonical&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=author_canonical&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=author_canonical&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=author_canonical&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=author_canonical&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=author_canonical&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Author], and these are also broken. I don't know if the batch will fix these, too. EDIT: This URL was fine, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5806113, which I got by searching for Amazon and the author's name in Google Images; however, on the author's Amazon page, https://www.amazon.ca/-/fr/Maggie-Allen/e/B00DXZNLOG, the URL is the broken one. I don't know what's up with all this but I'm sure someone else does. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:13, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: I have now manually fixed the "WEBP" author URLs. All but 2 were broken. Removing the "WEBP" part fixed all of them, although a few were "S" images, so they will be caught by the cleanup reports when they next run. I think it's safe to say that we should be able to removed "WEBP" from the affected cover scans programmatically. I'll work on it later today. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:13, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::Thanks. I added an image to Maxwell Alexander Drake's record and of the 4 images on his Amazon page (I think at least some people must be aware by now that only certain regional Amazon pages display all author images at the moment in the scroll bar or whatever it's called, Amazon.com and many others just show the main photo, and they seem to be getting fewer and fewer as time goes by; I find Amazon Canada and Amazon France are still good) 2 are WEBP and 2 are regular; it figures that the one I had to use wasn't as good as the others. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:33, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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=== Outcome -- WEBP images converted ===<br />
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All 806 "WEBP" images have been converted. Please let me know if you come across any issues. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:17, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== St. Martin's The Light Fantastic ==<br />
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https://colinsmythe.co.uk/terry-pratchett/discworld/discworld-novels/light-fantastic/; I was doing some edits for the few St. Martin's editions of Terry Pratchett's novels and I think this last one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?43074, doesn't exist. It should probably get the unpublished code for the date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:46, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Untouched by Human Hands ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5806259; Actual price was a bit different than what Tuck supposedly said but since Bluesman is gone if anyone else has the Tuck book and it really says 12/- then a note about difference on flap can be added after my edit is approved. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:38, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
: There is a price shown here: www.ebay.com/itm/115568098201 [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 22:07, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Faerie Tale ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=faerie-tale&sort=title&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22&and%5B%5D=firstTitle%3AF; While doing an edit for Raymond E. Feist (adding a note that he was born Gonzales, not Feist, and fixing his day of birth) I saw that, despite the dozens of editions of his great horror/fantasy novel Faerie Tale the only one archived is a Doubleday Book-of-the-Month Club edition which isn't on ISFDB! Open Library claims there are 2 previewable copies but whichever edition the other one was, it's gone now. So if anyone has one of those club indexes or wherever people get the dates/ID # from, you may want to enter this edition so at least there'll be one copy people can read easily. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:26, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:I've added the BOMC edition [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?978095 here]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:23, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Alan Burns ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?18958; I added cover image to Dreamerika a while ago and today added archived link to US Babel edition; SFE says "Babel" in New Worlds is an excerpt so I've added that word to the title. The issue now is SFE thinks all the other short stories are by a different Alan Burns (and probably the poems and essay, too). Does anyone know for sure? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:31, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Connecting books in an unnamed series ==<br />
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I'm currently adding two books where one is the sequel to the other, yet they are not part of a named series. Should I still add series to them (and if so what should I call it), or should I only make a not about it in the title note? /[[User:Lokal Profil|Lokal]][[Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil|_]][[:User talk:Lokal Profil|Profil]] 14:34, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:What are the books? Can you provide a link to them? Or have you not added them yet? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:52, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: One thing that we often do when two or more titles -- or two or more series -- are part of a larger, unnamed, setting is create a new series (or super-series) and use the word "universe" in its name. One example would be the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?42997 Baba Yaga Universe]. It contains 2 sub-series and one collection. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:05, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::: This is only two books {{t|3244057|Domens dag}} and {{t|978127|Råttorna}}. Calling it a universe feels a bit like giving it more credit than it is due =) /[[User:Lokal Profil|Lokal]][[Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil|_]][[:User talk:Lokal Profil|Profil]] 18:01, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: Hi! If you can't find a naming of the series or a general theme, I'd suggest to use in this case the title of the first novel, like it was done for the two novels in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?34751 this series]. (The second link you provided leads one to a piece of interior art ;-) ) Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:48, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::: If the two novels do share the same main character, there'd be the additional possibility to name the series after it, like it was done [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?19161 here]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:10, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::: Thanks for the many suggestions! I'll go with the ''title of the first novel'' suggestion as the main characters are not given a last name (if memory serves) and Peter & Anna is way to generic =). Appologies for the erroneous second link (that was the pub-id not the title-id), the intended one is {{t|3244058|Råttorna}}. /[[User:Lokal Profil|Lokal]][[Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil|_]][[:User talk:Lokal Profil|Profil]] 16:53, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pied Pipers ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1428017; I left Chavey a message about a city missing in their note about imprint on title page of Routledge edition (which I'd just added an Archive.org link to) but later saw that there was a more pressing problem; the title was wrong, missing a word and misspelling another. I later added another note about Warne edition also likely being wrong based on cover image. Looking further, I think the other 2 editions also have the wrong title; Rand McNally 1937 edition (Chavey's note says 1927, that may be yet another mistake) is on Archive.org and it says The Pied Piper of Hamelin on title page while there's no edit history for Harrap edition but notes are in Chavey's style. Problem is Chavey hasn't responded to any messages since May of last year. Any suggestions? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:28, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Their last activity in the database was on 2023-11-04, so only a few days ago. I suggest giving it a little more time for them to respond to the questions. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:33, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Geta ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?17102; I added a link to 1984-00-00 in a PENDING edit; 1985 2nd printing was edited by Hauck, hater of ISFDB, while RTrace cloned the 1984-06-00 but that date can't be right because the price is higher than 1985. There are 2 identical notes about name of publisher in 1984-00-00 and 1985 but neither was edited by the same person/people so some cloning/copying happened there, too. So publisher should either be Granada or Panther / Granada for all 3 and 1984-06-00 should either have a new date or all 0's for unknown; it also says TP, not PB, and likely has the same cover as the others so cover artist should be imported. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:48, 9 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Arthur Barker Edition of The Restaurant at the End of the Universe ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5809217; No idea why that obviously incorrect cover artist data was approved by a mod but I removed Kay and the word "Illustrations" from Litherland's credit. I assume the Amazon cover is the correct one because there's a few non-Amazon sites that show the same cover for that ISBN but the problem is Open Library has a 1985 date for the Arthur Barker edition (the only one out of 85 editions) but editor here has 1980 and ISFDB page for that publisher ends in 1980. This edition seems rare so if anyone owns it can you check to make sure date, price, page count (Open Library says 188, not 187), etc. are correct? I left PV a message but they don't seem to answer any questions. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:01, 10 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Letter From A Teddy Bear On ? ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:J-Sun#Letter_from_a_Teddy_Bear_on_Veteran.27s_Day; I doubt this editor will respond so if anyone else wants to say what the right way to do this is, chime in. I could have sworn this discussion took place much earlier but I see it was only last December and yet I added some weird image to my message, which I don't do, so not sure why I did that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:46, 10 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Varianted. Most common version used as parent per standard. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:26, 10 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Who Is Lewis Pinder? ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?976273; MLB recently PV Signet PB and I just replaced faded Amazon cover with nice Bookscans cover but I can't find a cover for the HC anywhere. If anyone else can, can you upload it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:29, 10 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Request to add German fantastic literature price: ==<br />
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Hi all, <br />
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after adding the German "DSFP" award, I would like to add now the "Phantastikpreis der Stadt Wetzlar", another German fantastic price:<br />
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Translation: The “Fantasy Prize of the City of Wetzlar” has been awarded since 1983. The prize is a literary prize endowed with 4,000 euros and is awarded annually for a novel. The prize honors works from all types of fantasy, from magical realism to fantasy science fiction, utopia and horror. Particular emphasis is placed on the fact that the fantastic element - similar to Goethe's “Magician's Apprentice” - also allows real life connections to appear in a new light. The prize is awarded by the city of Wetzlar in cooperation with the Wetzlar Fantastic Library. The jury consists of literary experts from Wetzlar and the surrounding area who have a close connection to fantastic literature.<br />
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Source (in German): https://www.phantastik.eu/ausschreibungen-und-preise/phantastikpreis-der-stadt-wetzlar.html<br />
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Forgot to sign it: [[User:Jannis|Jannis]] ([[User talk:Jannis|talk]]) 08:39, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I do think it should be perfectly eligible. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:06, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: I agree that it appears to be eligible. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:41, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Hearing no objection, I have created a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?115 new Award Type] and an Award Category for this prize. Please let me know if there are any issues with the new records, otherwise have fun entering the awards :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:54, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: Thats great! Thanks a lot Ahasuerus, I will add the books & authors of last winners of this price, and later link the price to their works. [[User:Jannis|Jannis]] ([[User talk:Jannis|talk]]) 05:16, 18 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pro Se ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=pro+se&type=Publisher; If anyone knows whether these are all by the same publisher some altering to bring them under the same publisher name would be helpful. They publish pulp-style stuff in all genres; neither of the books on Archive.org, https://archive.org/search?query=pro-se-press&and%5B%5D=year%3A%222016%22, are on ISFDB, Sushi Bar... likely has some genre-related stories, probably other eligible books by them out there. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:46, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: If memory serves, I used Amazon's Look Inside to look into "Pro Se" publishers/publication series at one point. Their books used a number of different forms of attribution and I couldn't figure out the logic behind it. Someone would need to do more digging to sort it all out. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:55, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Cyrano and Jules Verne ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=airborne+alan-c; I added 2 anthologies recently, imported genre stories into Skyriders in a PENDING edit, imported 3 genre stories (Kipling, T. L. Thomas, O'Flaherty) into Airborne but there's a couple of ancient excerpts (?) that are a problem. The Cyrano title doesn't match the one on ISFDB and there is no such title by Verne here. Searching for Verne title online only got 1 hit, https://www.mwbooks.ie/pages/books/307419/alan-c-jenkins/airborne-compiled-by-alan-c-jenkins, an Irish bookseller's page for Airborne. Typing a line of text from Verne's story got nothing online. I doubt this book found some long-lost Verne story so I assume it's just a novel excerpt. Does anyone know? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:41, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Anna's Archive has a downloadable copy. According to the Acknowledgements page, the Cyrano title is a "passage from Other Worlds by Cyrano de Bergerac, translated by Geoffrey Strachan". The Verne title is a "passage from ''From the Earth to the Moon'' by Jules Verne, translated by Jacqueline Baldick". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:15, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: The submission has been approved. The two titles discussed above have been added. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:38, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bellows ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?97465; I added FantLab photo in a PENDING edit, findagrave.com says Jeffrey, not Jeffery, and has "Kent" in quotes like it's a nickname but the grave says Kent Bellows, and what does the G. stand for? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:24, 14 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bizarrocast ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=title_webpage&O_1=contains&TERM_1=bizarrocast&C=AND&USE_2=title_title&O_2=exact&TERM_2=&USE_3=title_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=title_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=title_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=title_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=title_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=title_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=title_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=title_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=title_copyright&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Title]; I was going through the old horror webzine Rosewort, adding links (yes, I found ANOTHER D. F. Lewis story, "Aspen"), and the Ken Goldman story "Going Potty" had a dead link. Then I noticed that the Bizarrocast link in that story's record leads to a log-on page because the original site is gone, but the archived site hardly has any archived pages; I tried one from 2013, "How the Isle of Cats Got Its Name", and after waiting a long time for the page to load all I saw was Arabic (?) writing so even that seems to have been captured after the site was already dead. My link above searched for all title webpages with Bizarrocast in their URL and there's quite a few so if anyone knows whether there's a new site, say here. Otherwise, all those links should probably be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:16, 14 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Book storage and moving boxes ==<br />
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When I packed my book collection for an interstate move last year, I mostly used the 1 cubic-foot book boxes sold by U-Haul. There were a total of about 135 boxes. I have just finished unpacking the last of them and no damage occurred to any of the books. I particularly liked that they stacked nicely and were easy to hold onto while moving them around. They were especially useful for moving and storing paperbacks. Since there always a need to put some books into storage, I recommend using these boxes. Cheers! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 17:16, 14 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bloodlust and Fangers ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?118655; Today I was adding links to any stories on the old Bloodlust-UK horror site that are on ISFDB and they seem to have redesigned the site some time after 2005 because there were a couple of links that had different URL's for the same stories. I did get quite a few links, including at least one that was published earlier on Bloodlust than what the note on ISFDB says and two by the same author that were supposedly original to one of her collections but were actually published on Bloodlust more than 10 years earlier, and was feeling pretty good about all that until tonight when I decided to see if the authors who got links had any other stories online nowadays, non-archived, and while looking for stories by Denise Sodaro this site came up, https://fangersinc.wordpress.com/tag/short-stories/, where they dumped most/all of the original site's stories without any note that I can see that these stories are nearly 2 decades old. I nearly cried at how much faster I could have added links from Fangers instead of trawling through the old site. Anyway, it seems they were collected in some recent Fangers anthologies; I feel bad for people paying money for these old stories that mostly shouldn't have been published the first time when online editors were hungry for content and would accept almost anything. However, there is one thing that could lead to something interesting; this guy, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?118655, seems to have plagiarized at least one story, "Jumpers", which I added a note to some time ago with an explanation of who actually wrote the story. His other ISFDB story is in an anthology that I read via Interlibrary Loan years before I was an editor here and I can't remember a word of it so no way to tell if that's original. Bloodlust had a story by Michael Steinberg, "Life, or Something Like It", but this Fangers site calls him M. O. Steinberg even though he was already using the M. O. name back when the original site was active so why he went by Michael is anyone's guess. I typed a line of text from "Life..." on Google but got no hits so I'm not sure if it's original or another plagiarism. So if anyone owns the anthology Dreaming of Angels and can read Steinberg's story or reads "Life..." and recognizes it as being by someone else, can you let us know? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:11, 16 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Mark Powers - two different people ==<br />
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Currently for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?22424 this author] we have a bunch of UK juvenile titles, and some Jim Butcher/Dresden Files comics. I'm reasonably sure these are two different people: [https://www.theshawagency.co.uk/mark-powers here] is the agency page for the former, and [https://www.simonandschuster.com/authors/Mark-Powers/202304451 here] a publisher page for the latter, with neither page acknowledging the other work.<br />
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Unless anyone objects, I propose to split these off, probably making the second one "Mark Powers (comics)" unless there are better suggestions. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 13:54, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:I agree. [https://dresdenfiles.fandom.com/wiki/Mark_Powers This] is a page showing a pic of the ''Dresden'' comics writer. Definitely not the person shown in the two Twitter/X profiles on our author page. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:00, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:: The Dresden Files comics should now all be switched over to the new author record. Thanks for confirmation! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:59, 19 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Twitter changed to "X/Twitter" ==<br />
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I am seeing more and more references to "X" instead of "Twitter". I have changed the way third party links appear on bibliographic pages from "Twitter" to "X/Twitter" to reflect this. It's a trivial change, so we can always tweak it again if the name changes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:46, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Darrell Awards ==<br />
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https://web.archive.org/web/20120908050157/http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~timgatewood/sf/darrell/DarrellWinners_Categories_96to12.pdf; I came across that while looking for something else entirely and since some here like entering new awards and this doesn't seem to be on ISFDB I thought I'd link it in case anyone wants to enter it if it's eligible. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:49, 19 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Final Frontier Cover ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?13334; I noticed there was a Greg and Gregory Brodeur here, made Gregory an alternate, made variant of one of his essays and merged 3 into 1 for the other essay (a variant will need to be made of that result after, I think), noticed 1st printing of Final Frontier '88 US PB was on Archive.org so added a link, finally noticed BORIS VALLEJO is credited for a foreign edition but not for any of the others even though they have the same art, Bluesman who was PV of 2 editions is long gone so if active PV of US PB agree with PV, Welo, that added art (they didn't mention where they got it in their notes) then cover credit can be added to all with date of US PB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:00, 19 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:The German translation states Boris Vallejo as cover artist on the copyright page. But, i wouldn't take this as given for every other release without another source to verify. At the time the german publishers weren't the reliablest for infos on the copyright pages, they had sometimes wrong infos (copied from previous pubs, but not correct). I've stumbled over a few wrong ones over time. [[User:Welo|Welo]] ([[User talk:Welo|talk]]) 12:31, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== SFWA Bulletin ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?951170; I was doing Bruce McAllister edits and there's 1 Bruce McAllaster credit here (along with a correct spelling elsewhere in it) but SFWA.org says McAllister so probably a misprint by PV. Also, Gatherng should be Gathering, Nores should be Notes, etc. If anyone can see a real copy all of those can probably be fixed. I assume there are many other mistakes in the other issues of this bulletin since the same PV worked on most/all of them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:11, 20 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Book of Ballads Dates ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Ofearna#Book_of_Ballads; Does anyone agree with me that the 2004 contents should be November instead of October? They say they're original to this book in their notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:39, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Lecrivain ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=the+last+swan+prince&type=All+Titles; 2017 zine has no period after the C in her name, 2020 webzine does, story's title page will need to be seen to determine if 2017 really doesn't have it, then there should be a merge or a variant. Her other story in that zine doesn't have a period, either, according to ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:25, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ormazoids ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5816628; Since PV is deceased if anyone wants to add/fix anything mentioned in my note to mod, feel free. EDIT: Seems logical UK edition would have been first for a Who book so title date should probably be 1986-00-00 unless anyone can determine exact UK date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:56, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Patterns of the Fantastic II ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=%22patterns+of+the+fantastic%22&sort=title; Copyright page says December 1984, title page says 1986 in roman numerals, ISFDB says May 1985. If anyone knows what's the deal here they may want to add the link where appropriate and fix dates if needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:22, 23 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:The title page date is on a sticker that has been applied after printing. That sticker also has "Borgo Press". So it could be Borgo was selling copies for Starmont House or they made a photographic reprint and stuck their sticker on it. May 1985 is the date Locus1 has so that might have been the source for the {{P|287993|ISFDB record}}. Rtrace has secondary verified it with Clute/Nicholls and Reginald3. I will ping him to see if either of those might has some info to shed light on the situation. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:53, 23 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::Neither {{Reginald3}} nor Clute/Nicholls mention Borgo. The former has a 1985 date while the latter has 1984. {{P|283739|Chalker/Owings}} has the 1984 date. {{P|320234|BP 300}} has 1985. This is probably due to the difference between copyright and publication dates. Also from ''BP 300'', Borgo acquired Starmont in March 1993 after having purchased Starmont's Contemporary Writers Series in 1991. If I had to guess, the sticker is likely a cancel of the Starmont publisher and perhaps the 1986 date is due to a typo (VI vs IV). With that scenario, the sticker was likely added sometime after 1993 when Borgo purchased Starmont. Chalker/Owings does note that the purchase included Starmont's back stock. Regardless, if we decided to add a new publication record for the Borgo cancel of Starmont, I don't think we can date it exactly and I'd recommend using the unknown date. Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:13, 23 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::I made the following changes:<br />
:::*Updated the Starmont House editions with the stated publication date as per ISFDB standards. I also included a pub note on the secondary source dates and a statement that it was likely not out until after the stated publication date.<br />
:::*Cloned an undated Borgo Press edition with a statement regarding Borgo Press buying Starmont House backstock & the uncertainty of the Roman numeral date's meaning.<br />
:::*Added the contents.<br />
:::--&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:21, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Philip K. Dick Reader ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1365790; I cloned an 11th printing and publisher is Citadel+Kensington like 2016 but cover is same as 1997 which says publisher is Citadel Twilight; does anyone own a 1st printing who can say whether it says Twilight or if 1997 should be changed to Kensington? Twilight books had a certain bluish look about their covers and they say Twilight on the cover which this book doesn't. Per note on ISFDB Twilight ended in 2000 so it's possible it was a Twilight book and it was only mentioned inside. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:46, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== ASIN ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?966441; Clicking US ASIN leads to a different magazine; I don't know if that happens often or not but I thought I'd mention it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:07, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: There are two ISFDB records sharing the same ASIN, "B0CDQWPL1Z":<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?966441 Dark Hall Press Cosmic Horror Anthology]<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?966438 Savage Realms Monthly, August 2023]<br />
: Their respective Edit Histories show that the 2 pubs were manually entered by the same editor on the same day. Most likely it was a copy-and-paste error. I have corrected the erroneous ASIN; thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:17, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Salt Is Not For Slaves ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=salt+is&type=All+Titles; I can't find a copy of 1931 Ghost Stories issue where it says E. W. supposedly, can confirm it's G. W. in Book of the Living Dead (added link in a PENDING edit from OL-only no-search copy). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:19, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Rustin Parr ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36131; Title was entered in 2011, I've made 3 edits (one in each of the last 3 years), and only today noticed the title was wrong; it's Confession, not Confessions. Fixed that in a PENDING edit and while doing so noticed there are 2 foreign editions, https://archive.org/search?query=%22rustin+parr%22+stern&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=year%3A%222000%22, in case anyone fluent wants to enter those. I also have an edit adding UK Boxtree 4th printing of The Blair Witch Project: A Dossier by the same author; there is a HC book club (?) edition of the Onyx edition on Archive.org but I didn't bother with that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:29, 26 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Khaw & Kadrey's ''The Dead Take the A Train'' ==<br />
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Re. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3070028 this title], I propose deleting the pub dated 2022-09-27. That was the original publication date, which was pushed back a full year. I have added this detail to the notes for actual pub when it was released (2023-10-03), so the earlier pub record is now redundant. Any objections from anyone? [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 07:43, 27 November 2023 (EST)<br />
: Would it not be better to make [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Date the pub date 8888-00-00], rather than deleting the record? That way the ISBN is still in the database in case anyone else tries adding it in future? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 08:36, 27 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::Yeah, that sounds sensible. Done. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 15:49, 27 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== ayaz daryl nielsen ==<br />
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Are there any objections to using lowercase for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?162023 Ayaz Daryl Nielsen]. I have never seen him credited any other way. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:01, 27 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Hearing no objections, the change has been made. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:31, 3 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Eichner ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=m.+eichner&type=Name; While adding links and other stuff to E. Everett Evans books I noticed Eichner shows up twice as an illustrator and I assume those are the same people which would mean a variant is needed. Also, Eichner's birth date is off by 10 days from Wikipedia and most sites seem to agree it's 9, not 19, so the day may need changing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:38, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Disabling the Synopsis field for Variant Titles ==<br />
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Back in April 2022 "Make This a Variant Title" [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive52#Make_Variant_and_Synopsis_data 2022-04-30 was modified] to move VTs' Synopsis data to their parent titles. A new cleanup report, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?328 Variant Title with Synopsis Data], was created at the same time.<br />
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The original plan was to:<br />
* clean up any titles found by this cleanup report (1,600+ at the time)<br />
* confirm that there were no scenarios where a VT needed to have Synopsis data<br />
* change "Edit Title" to disable the Synopsis field for VTs<br />
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The first step was never completed, so the process stalled. I have now processed/corrected around 50 (out of 1546) affected title record. It is as we suspected. Most just needed their synopsis data to be moved to the parent titles. Some needed two synopsis entries reconciled. A few were in error, e.g. there was Notes data in the Synopsis field or vice versa. A few Synopsis values were using a language other than English, which is explicitly not allowed in Help.<br />
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Based on the above, I think it's safe to change the software to disallow entering Synopsis data for VTs. If there are no objections, I plan to work on it over the next few days. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:03, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Will this block adding a synopsis to a serial title? In at least [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3129077 this case], each of the serial titles is a separate novella that could justifiably have its own synopsis. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 21:57, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: That's right, the proposed change would prevent Synopsis values from being added to SERIAL titles. I don't think it should cause significant issues since semi-standalone SERIALs are rare and could be handled the way we handled {{A|George Lowther}}'s [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?16699 ''Superman'']:<br />
::* Chapters 1-2 describe Superman's planet of origin, Krypton. Chapters 3-5 deal with Clark Kent's childhood with his adoptive parents. In chapter 6, Clark goes to Metropolis and gets a job with the Daily Planet. The remaining eleven chapters deal with a mystery involving ghost ships and Nazi spies.<br />
:: [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:53, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::That's what I thought. Hmmm. I don't think that would work in the case of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3129077 Last Stand] since each of the installments (Episodes) are approx. 20,000 word novellas which have differing focus characters within the pseudo-TV series framework and the summaries should be more than a couple of words each. I'm not convinced it is truly a serial anyway. [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Anniemod Anniemod] set this up initially and I've been following suit since. I could just as well see this as a series called <i>Last Stand</i> with the individual novellas as normal Chapbooks/Shortfiction titles. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 12:52, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: If they have different focus characters and different plots requiring different synopses, then I agree that they sound more like linked stories than a serialization. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:09, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::I'm the only PV for these. On deeper examination, I believe they are linked stories, not serials. I'm going toss a note to Annie and then convert these from serials to shortfiction, unvarianting the titles, and grouping them under the series <i>Last Stand</i>. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:37, 3 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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=== Outcome: Software has been changed ===<br />
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Hearing no further objections, I have changed "Edit Title" to disallow entering Synopsis data for variant titles. [[Template:TitleFields:Synopsis]] has been updated as follows:<br />
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* A synopsis can only be entered for canonical titles. The software won't let you add a Synopsis to a variant title.<br />
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If you come across any issues, please let me know. All that's left is cleaning up the remaining 1400+ VTs which still have Synopsis values. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:15, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: There was a minor bug in the associated cleanup report. It was causing three valid title records to appear on the report. The bug has been fixed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:54, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Nightly cleanup reports fixed ==<br />
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It turns out that the recent addition of a Notes template with an apostrophe in its name -- [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Using_Templates_and_HTML_in_Note_Fields "Achevé D’Imprimer"] -- broke the automated nightly process which regenerates cleanup reports. The software was fixed a few minutes ago and everything should be back to normal tomorrow morning. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:12, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== New superseries for Glynn Stewart's Castle Federation ==<br />
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Would anyone object if I create a new superseries named <i>Castle Federation Universe</i> which would have the existing series [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?42767 Castle Federation] as subseries #1 and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?65374 Dakotan Confederacy] as subseries #2? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 18:14, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: No objection -- book covers and Goodreads reviews confirm it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:09, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Done. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 21:52, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Julie Novakova/Nováková ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?195102 The page for this author] has "Novakova" in her name, and states '''uses accentless spelling of her surname for foreign publications.'''. However I just checked [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ship-Whisperer-Julie-Nováková-ebook/dp/B08F3S7J9L/ her collection] and [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Rosetta-Archive-Notable-Speculative-Translation/dp/195106402X an anthology she contributed a story to], and [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Life-Beyond-Us-Original-Anthology-ebook/dp/B0BNZ7M4F7/ an anthology she co-edited], and all use "Nováková". I assume these should at least be a variant, but I don't have the privileges to see who might have added that author note, in case they can shed any further light?<br />
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(Also, "foreign publications" seems a bit Anglocentric, especially in conjunction with a Czech author?) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:38, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ghosts of the Chit-Chat ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?869953; Contents #1, #4-7, #9, and #12 are not original; they're much older stories with at least one (Tatham) being under a different name (H. F. W.) and title ("Phonograph Bewitched"), plus a couple of authors that are not already on ISFDB (although J. K. Stephens may be James Stephens who is). If anyone owns this or knows where to get a look at the full text some fixing/merging is needed after determining what names and titles are actually used in it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:02, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Best of John W. Campbell ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1212025; I have a PENDING edit adding Archive.org link to '76 US PB and another edit adding month to intro but the afterword has a variant with neither having a month. PB doesn't actually say afterword on that essay's title page so this may be a false variant that needs merging into one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:26, 4 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Best New Romantic Fantasy ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?29658; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5827168; Re: this series, I don't think #3 was ever published like a lot of announced Juno books. There's almost no info online, nobody ever entered contents, etc. I think it should get an unpublished date here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:58, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Sanjulian ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?914; Should this be changed to Sarjulian and made a variant of his parent name? Because it's supposed to be what's on the page, not what PV thinks it should be. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:03, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Dutch Plot ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?28987; '79 Plot doesn't belong with the others. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:50, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Very Special People ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5828417; A copy of the rare 1977 horror novel The Soul of Anna Klane was uploaded to Archive.org earlier this year and I just came across it, it's a second impression so I cloned it, uploader messed up because the jacket is from an awesome book about circus people (or freaks as they were called back in the day) that anyone my age probably remembers reading or at least looking at the photos. Would anything by the author, https://openlibrary.org/authors/OL529624A/Frederick_Drimmer, qualify to be on ISFDB? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:59, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Is "Frederick Drimmer" the author of ''The Soul of Anna Klane''? The covers say the author is Terrel Miedaner. The only one from the list of Frederick Drimmer's works that looks like it might be includable is ''The Body Snatchers'', but it depends on what it's about. All his other works seem to be nonfiction about non-genre topics. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:33, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Other works by Miedaner that might be includable include [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/181242.The_Mind_s_I ''The Mind's I'', in which he has a story or essay (not sure which as the book contains both). It has a work by Stanislaw Lem in it. I couldn't find anything else by Miedaner that could be included. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:40, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Miedaner wrote the novel, Drimmer wrote dozens of non-fiction books including some about genre-related topics that I thought might qualify. Maybe someone will find one or two with something in them that can be entered. The novel seems to have had a lot of other editions not on ISFDB including some foreign editions with weird covers so maybe someone fluent could enter those. Also, the Mind's I book you mentioned is on Archive.org, https://archive.org/search?query=terrel+miedaner, in case you think that qualifies to be entered here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:55, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Gary Allen ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?87741; The author of None Dare... died long before the other works on his page were written so obviously by a different Allen; he has his own Wikipedia. However, I don't think there should be a variant but rather the novel removed because it's not really a novel, it's an anti-Communist diatribe by a member of the John Birch Society that's been reprinted endlessly. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:42, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Book has been deleted. Clear nongenre, nonfiction by a different author than the speculative fiction Gary Allen. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:16, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Twice Twenty-Two ==<br />
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https://openlibrary.org/works/OL103175W/Twice_twenty-two?edition=key%3A/books/OL26558953M; 2 copies, one searchable and one not, searchable one has a gutter code on p. 405, "03 N", which is not in the book club edition's note about gutter codes on ISFDB. Non-searchable one has no code. So if anyone knows how to identify dates from the code they may want to enter at least the copy that has a code. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:58, 8 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Schrecksekunden ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5830404; Does anyone recognize the cover I added? I'm almost sure I've seen it before on an English-language book; if so, artist is likely on ISFDB for that and can be added to this. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:44, 9 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:https://www.michaelwhelan.com/galleries/emergence/ and that conveniently also has [https://www.michaelwhelan.com/wp-content/uploads/fromtheheartofdarkness-cover.jpg From the Heart of Darkness cover]. Looks like we have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1727716 this]. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:05, 9 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:The PV of the affected pub is active and a moderator, so I pointed him at this. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:10, 9 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::The cover of [[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5830404 Schrecksekunden]] is correct. Regards Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] ([[User talk:Rudam|talk]]) 05:43, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Submission approved. Cover credit added to Schrecksekunden with a publication note specifying the secondary source & new cover art record varianted to the prior one. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:19, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Aiken's World Well Lost ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?915733; I don't think Joan published a book with this title but rather it was her brother, John, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?135, so Joan's record for that book should probably be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:06, 9 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Deleted. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:24, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pan Mystery Walk ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?556649; Someone just uploaded a foreign cover for Baal, one of Robert R. McCammon's novels, which led me to do some edits for other of his books (there's a lot left to do even though I've done many previously). There's a $75 Subterranean Press signed limited edition of The Night Boat which has been on Archive.org since April of last year which I somehow never noticed before so I added a link to that but the Pan edition of Mystery Walk only has a 2nd printing uploaded; the question is whether the 1st printing also says Stephen Crisp on back cover instead of Steve Crisp, which is what's on ISFDB. So if anyone owns a 1st printing (I don't see anything online except 1 eBay auction where they took photos of everything EXCEPT the copyright page) and it says Stephen then that needs fixing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:38, 11 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== International Polygonics Edition of Liars and Tyrants and People Who Turn Blue ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20274; I've made a few edits for this before but noticed today a copy was uploaded to Archive.org earlier this year so I added a link, replaced postage stamp-sized Amazon cover with their cover, and added LCCN (their site screwed up entering the title). However, the copy has a big thick sticker obscuring the cover art credit on the back; it seems to start with Kev so probably Kevin; no other books on ISFDB from the publisher have that in the artist's name so if anyone has/can find a copy can you let us know what the artist's name is? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:51, 12 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Brennan's Riddle ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?308567; Been doing some Joseph Payne Brennan edits and this one is odd; there's no content. Is it possible that it contains his 1964 poem "Riddle"? It's likely not a collection but a chapbook or something similar. I added cover image and FantLab ID in a PENDING edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:29, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Dedications in Poems ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5817418 this submission] to alter the title of {{T|1337626|this poem}} based on [https://www.sfpoetry.com/sl/edchoice/34.2-2.html this web page] from the magazine's web site. My question is whether "(For Edgar Allen Poe)" should be considered as part of the subtitle, or whether that is a separate dedication that should not be included in the title field. If we go with the latter, it could be added to the notes. My recollection is that poems occasionally have "For XXX" listed in a smaller typeface under the title though usually without the parenthesis. I don't think we usually include these as part of the title field. How do other folks feel about this. If there is disagreement, we can move this to the rules and standards page. Thoughts? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:50, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Personally, I wouldn't include this as part of the title. It is somewhat similar to the way some sources treat additional information, for example for series - like in The Death of a Hero (Star Wars), and it ''is'' a dedication. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:35, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Dedications are a common occurrence, I never include them in the title. If someone wishes to put then in the note section, I would not object. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:25, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::Hearing no differing opinions, I will reject the edit. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:08, 22 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pocket Pulse ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?269828; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251391; Should these very old entries by the late PV be changed to Pocket Pulse as the publisher so they merge with all the many others on ISFDB? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:08, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Martha Wells / All Systems Red - Code P1 ==<br />
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Some copies of the original tp of All Systems Red have a code "P1" underneath "First Edition: May 2017" on the copyright page. Other copies have no code; the corresponding area is blank. Does anyone know the meaning of this code? Some online booksellers says this code denotes the first printing (or first state of first printing) but this seems to be their opinion. Is there any independent, documented, verifiable evidence of its meaning? Secondly, how should this be recorded in the ISFDb? We have two records: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?723225 PoD] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?608522 non-PoD]. Should I create a new pub record for the P1 code version or should I just add a pub note to an existing record stating that some copies have this code? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:41, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Rich Grote ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?176753; I added, in a PENDING edit, archived site (online now is dead) richgrote.com and Behance page and wickedlocal.com article which revealed he's from New Jersey. There is a Rick Grote credit, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?112933, but his bio at various sites online says he started in 1976 while this book is from 1975. Also, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?123700, where one actually says Grote in the book while the other was not named but editor entered it from cover signature. So if anyone can say for sure that Grote or Rick Grote are Rich Grote then those can be made variants. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:42, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ash of Stars ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?102752; I was doing a bunch of James Sallis edits recently (links to several short stories, archived link to Shores Beneath, adding a massive collection from 2007 titled Potato Tree) and noticed this book about Delany. I don't do many edits for Delany because I can't stand him personally but I'm sure many people here like his work so I'll mention that the copy on Archive.org, https://archive.org/search?query=sallis+delany, the copy on Amazon.com and the copy on Google Books all have the same ISBN on back cover with the barcode saying 53950 which means price is $39.50 but ISFDB says $42.50. Also, ISBN is for HC supposedly but archived copy looks like TP to me. So if anyone wants to add a link to the copy and fill in anything else or change anything, please feel free. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:58, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Scheduled server maintenance - 3pm 2023-12-15 ==<br />
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The ISFDB server will be down for scheduled maintenance between 3pm and roughly 3:10pm server (EST) time on 2023-12-15 (today). [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:39, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Brian Keith Evenson = Brian Evenson? ==<br />
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Any thoughts/objections on making [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?224599 Brian Keith Evenson] a variant of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ch.cgi?6382 Brian Evenson]? The former has just 2 pieces of short fiction in 1986 and 1989 (both with difficult to Google titles), which slightly predates the earliest work of the latter. Howevever (a) "K." is listed as the middle initial of the legal name of "Brian Evenson" (with [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/evenson_brian SFE] saying this it is "Keith"), and (b) the 1989 story was published by Brigham University, which Wikipedia says is where Brian Evenson got a degree and was later employed. Evenson's site doesn't have any detailed bibliography that might help clarify those two early stories are his. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:39, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:The source given for {{P|654878|The Leading Edge, September 1989}} is FictionMags Index. Checking them, they have these as the same author. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:50, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks - I've now set up variants/alternates for the author and two title records. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:37, 17 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Conan the Valiant ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?982255; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5836070; Added a few archived links to some of Roland Green's Conan novels, went backwards so first novel was looked at last, it already had a link added by someone last year, as can be seen in my edit above the cover is not the same as the later editions, any Ken W. Kelly experts who know his style can say if both are his work in which case art needs unmerging or if Tor mistakenly carried over Kelly's credit for the later art by someone else. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:07, 16 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== F. Piatti ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=co+piatti&type=Name; 2 credits for each, one should be parent assuming credits are correct; maybe they're all really spelled the same and someone just entered one or the other name wrong here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:38, 17 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Done. Thanks for this find! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:36, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Abridged editions? ==<br />
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Do we include abridged editions? I know we don't include dramatizations but the help doesn't seem to say anything about abridged editions. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:02, 17 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Sure we do! It's possible to add them to the general title (and add a note to the publication), or if the abridgement does alter the story in a major way to add it as a variant, or if another hand is credited for the abridgement to add it as a stand-alone title, like in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2918952 this title]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:44, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Thanks for the clarification. I've started to run across a number of audio items that have abridged versions but haven't been sure if I should add them. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:37, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: I have been told that abridgements are certainly accepted, but that they are never added as variants. How to deal properly with them was incorporated when dealing with translations, which are made variants but the difference in language makes it possible to distinguish them from name/author variations. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:39, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: That's certainly true for audio versions/readings: here it is quite a regular case that they are abridged, so they should just be added with a note under the respective title. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:33, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) Abridged editions are included. The [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#How_does_the_ISFDB_deal_with_.22Portions_of_this_story_originally_appeared_in....22.3F FAQ says]:<br />
* If an individual story is rewritten or revised, then we create a Variant Title for it and add the nature of the changes, e.g. "expanded", "abridged" or "restored", in the Notes section. Please note that these conventions are likely to change in the foreseeable future as we beef up our software in this area. <br />
: The [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Feature:90155_Add_an_optional_%22nature_of_the_relationship%22_field_to_the_Make_Variant_screen original Feature Request to change the software] to display "relationships" between titles was created back in 2008, but it hasn't been implemented yet.<br />
: Of course, when dealing with drastically changed titles, e.g. novels reduced to excerpts or short stories expanded to novel length, we create separate title records. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:33, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: To the original question - abridgements are in. I am questioning the varianting advice. I also once noted the lack of documentation on abridgements specifically. The original place I was told not to variant abridgements was in [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive46#Abridgements this] conversation. The argument was that variants were for title / author variations or translations as a special case due to limitations in the software. Only one moderator said so, but no one contradicted, so have been going by this since. There were [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk/archives/archive_25#variant_or_independent_work.3F earlier] and [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Adaptations_and_Abridgements later] discussions (I doubt I found them all) with varying degrees of agreement but no resolution. <br />
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:: And the FAQ reference above was answering a question about portions of a story appearing earlier in a novel that is expanded or created from a series of shorter stories. The [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:MakeVariant HELP on variants] says at the beginning that they are only for title and author variations, but later talks about how to deal with translations (with a link to how-to details). ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:50, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: [[Help:Screen:MakeVariant]] says:<br />
:::* Two title records are variants if they are in fact the same story, but have either a different title, or use alternate names for the author.<br />
::: Translations are effectively "the same story" for our purposes, but I agree that it's not made clear in the statement above. We should probably update it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:16, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: It sounds like abridgements should not be varianted. But there's no help on how to document the relationship to the original - be it in the Notes or a linking template. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:50, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::I'm following this closely since most audio abridgements are significantly shorter than their unabridged brethren (should they exist for comparison). Often 2-3 hours compared to 8+ hours. The source novel is often in the 270 page range. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:57, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: I would expect a version that contains only 25-33% of the original material to be considered a separate derivative work. Kind of like {{A|E. Nesbit}}'s juvenile adaptations of {{A|William Shakespeare}}'s works are listed as separate works with the word "(abridged)" appended to the end of the title: "A Midsummer Night's Dream (abridged)", "The Tempest (abridged)", etc. Except, of course, there would be no additional co-author. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:52, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::To me, this makes the most sense. If it's significantly abridged, it should be a separate work (for example, I think the abridged audio releases of ''{{T|7577|The Courtship of Princess Leia}}'' should be separate as they are only 3 hours as opposed to the {{P|983542|unabridged version}} of 14 hours (finally being released in January)). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:00, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::::Based on this guidance, the title above has now been split into [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?7577 The Courtship of Princess Leia] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3258106 The Courtship of Princess Leia (abridged)]. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 18:02, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Présence du Futur ==<br />
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Ex-editor Hauck entered some entries in this endless French series but only basic info. I came across a manual which I added as a link, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5837420, although I have no idea if it contains anything useful, then I entered several missing bits of info for Gravité à la manque from Open Library, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5837421. I then came across a title with an actual copy, but rather than stumble my way through entering info from books in a language I'm not fluent in I'm just going to list this, https://archive.org/search?query=%22une+collection+d%27inedits+au+format+de+poche%22&sin=TXT&and%5B%5D=collection%3A%22inlibrary%22, so if anyone can find anything useful to enter from those they can do so. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:34, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Crash Override ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?659223; I added archived link and a few other things in a PENDING edit to the other book by the publisher, the novel The Secret. Publisher actually has no space between the 2 words in its name so I fixed that and then was going to check online to see if it was the same for this much later book but realized this probably shouldn't be here since it's not by a known author and it really has nothing to do with genre. So should it be deleted? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:54, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:I was advised some time ago and it is my understanding that any works shortlisted for a genre award (in this case a Hugo) are considered in. This exception is called out in [[ISFDB:Policy|our policy page]] but only for online publications. Perhaps we should be more specific. Aside from that, my recollection from reading the book in 2018 is that it is chiefly about the Gamergate event which is tightly coupled with the Sad/Rabid Puppies movements. I don't recall how much Quinn went into the latter, but if at all, it would certainly qualify this as a book about speculative fiction. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:51, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::OK. It's PublicAffairs in Amazon look inside so I'm going to fix that so both books on ISFDB will be by the same publisher. EDIT: There's 1 archived copy which was uploaded in May, 2021 but wasn't added until January, 2023 (?!?) so I also added a link to that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:14, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Napoleon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?31091; I added archived links to Minstrel Boy and ...Overhead and fixed formats to TP for both; publisher was also changed to Napoleon Publishing for those 2 and ...Yard because Napoleon & Company, as explained on the copyright pages, is a parent company and Publishing is the actual imprint. The problem now is the 2 e-book Gargoyle editions don't actually show a copyright page on Amazon and, more importantly, Time Thief's beautiful Napoleon cover is nowhere online and ISBN defaults to the Dundurn Press edition's less beautiful cover. Looking at Dundurn's Wiki page they bought Napoleon in 2011 which makes sense because Blogspot page linked in Napoleon's record on ISFDB ends in February, 2011, a month before their Time Thief edition was supposedly published. So maybe someone can say whether Time Thief Napoleon edition should get an unpublished date of 8888-88-88 and whether that and the 2 e-books should have their publisher changed to Napoleon Publishing just to keep everything together. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:13, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== John Allen ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?186482; Likely 3 or 4 different authors on the same page in case anyone can find info to separate some or all of them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:32, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:I split the entry into three. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:18, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Stateham Banners ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3575; Archived copy uploaded in 2020 so I added a link in a PENDING edit; note about frontispiece is wrong as it is credited on copyright page (an editor of Canadian edition noted this correctly) so maybe one of the active editors (Willem, GlennMcG, Spacecow) can fix note so it says the same as Canadian edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:23, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Speedy In OZ ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?366452; Oz fans, a request. I saw a lot of Oz edits in the queue recently and discovered many of R.P. Thompson's books were reprinted in PB in the eighties. I added archived links to the 4 I found but Speedy has a missing cover and most online ones are of the weird $19.00 reprint that nobody seems to know much about; the archived cover sucks because it has 3 huge stickers on the bottom obscuring things and a cover on Biblio.com is shot too far away, has a Barbed Wire Books business card in front of it, and has some plastic holder or something at the bottom of it. So if anyone can find a clear and clean cover, can you upload it? Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:45, 21 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Dread ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?22179; Year and subtitle (Allen, seen on sfpoetry.com) different than other ISFDB record; poem here, https://poetrynz.net/pdf/PNZ48.pdf, says Allan. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:16, 22 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Knock on Wood ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=0-671-04070-7+&type=ISBN; Cover says Vornholt; why is Friesner credited for the same book? EDIT: Also Witchopoly, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=0-671-02806-5&type=ISBN. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:37, 25 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Deleted the two Friesner ones. All reliable sources show these two ISBNs as by Vornholt which matches cover. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:06, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Yesterday We Saw Mermaids ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55736; Cover is the Tor edition but it's on the Wiki so the Pan cover would need uploading to replace it; problem is I can't find it because all eBay copies are Tor. So either it's rare or vaporware. Help, if you can. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:00, 25 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Finding forgotten horror story ==<br />
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Hi, all. I hope you all had merry Christmases (if you celebrate). <br />
Someone on Goodreads is trying to find a horror story he or she read in the '70s about gentle hand-shaped creatures who live in a forest near a town or village. But then several people are found strangled with hand-shaped bruises on their throats. (Spoilers ahead.) <br />
The creatures are rounded up and killed. But the killings continue, and the townspeople realize the creatures were all shaped like left hands, while the bruises on throats are from a right hand (or vice versa).<br />
Does this story sound familiar to anyone? Thanks! —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 01:40, 26 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Sidgwick & Jackson Prices ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5843103; I was looking at the Science Fiction Specials (added a couple more links because a few of them were hiding on Archive.org using a title of one of the contents instead of the overall title) and also am adding links and other stuff to books from the publisher by the authors in the Specials. I've noticed their prices on the front flaps are a mess with some being old pre-decimal prices and others being stickered with decimal prices. In this Asimov case you can see a pre-decimal price under the sticker that looks like 35s to me but I can't find any copies online that show the flap. So if anyone knows what the original price was, thinks it should be cloned, etc. let us know. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:29, 27 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Silverberg and Neverness ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:SFJuggler#The_Time_Travelers; Linking this here in case anyone else might own a copy of the Donald I. Fine edition of Neverness. Also, should we make the Silverberg thing a pub. series? There's got to be more than 2 books in it; Archive.org search isn't the most accurate and there could be books not archived that are part of the series. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:40, 27 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:I have the Donald I. Fine 1st hc edition of Zindell's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23681 Neverness]. It does state "A Robert Silverberg Science Fiction Selection" on rear flap and also "RS/SF" on spine of dj. I have also discovered that Sturgeon's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15623 Godbody] has the same features. Looks like a pub series to me, even if it didn't last very long and didn't have many books in it. I have Godbody so I will PV both these pubs and edit them to create and add the pub series. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:40, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::Great, thanks! A search for the exact series title on Google only finds the ISFDB record for Godbody and my message on the SFJuggler board. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:55, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Where the Southern Cross the Dog ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?326635; Does anyone own the August 2002 issue of Locus? I added cover/interior artist and intro by S. R. Tem but I can't find the titles of the stories anywhere, 3 supposedly, and it was reviewed by Edward Bryant in that issue. Maybe he mentioned them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:05, 27 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Ah ha, I recently added a link to 40+ years' worth of microfilmed Locus issues on Archive.org and vaguely remembered that I had asked about an issue of Locus recently. I checked that 2002 issue and yes, all 3 stories were mentioned. The one original, "Black Angel Blues", doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere at all online (until now). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:46, 17 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Siergiejew ==<br />
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https://readfrom.net/michael-aronovitz/364512-the_voices_in_our_heads.html; It's Marius Siergiejew in that link, no z in first name but also no "Noistromo", I checked Unlikely Entomology issue and it is Mariusz, so both should be variants assuming all the ones under Marius "Noistromo" actually have the correct name entered; now that the link above shows there's at least one with just Marius maybe that should become the parent after name is fixed and the nickname should be the variant. I added a Blogspot link to the Marius record. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:47, 29 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Alternate name created. I would not consider that site reliable enough to change a verified pub. Unfortunately, the verifier is no longer active so we will have to wait for someone else to re-verify it. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:58, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Webs of Time ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?54122; Does anyone think the replacement cover I used is better than the old one? Mod didn't agree. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:35, 29 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Well, the overall quality (= colour likeness) seemed better with the amazon source, ''and'' I do assume that this source will be more stable than Fantlab (and presumably that's the line of thought Chris_J also tended towards). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:26, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::I guess; anyway, my replacement cover will still be in edit history so that's something. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:53, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Fanni S. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=fanni+s&type=Name; Probably the same person, maybe entries under the first name really don't have the special "u" or maybe editors didn't enter it that way. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:21, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:The three records with Suto all had Amazon Samples available which showed they should have been Sütő. Only one was verified and that verifier is showing as not active in several years. I made the changes. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:46, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pandora Effect ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?45062; I added Archive.org link in a PENDING edit, do any of the active PV think an August month should be added to dates as notes say? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:10, 31 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Great Tales of Action and Adventure ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5846199; Cover question about this '67 10th printing I just added. It says Richard Powers on copyright page but Robert Shore on back, Powers credit possibly left over from earlier printings? Should Shore be entered instead? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:23, 31 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:My copy doesn't have the credit to Shore on the back, but the cover is different than the Powers original. Seems like we should have a Richard Powers (in error) created as an alias to Shore. [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 18:43, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Through the Budgerigar ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?925198; While adding LCCN to Jones novel Transplant I noticed this book was added not long ago and while SFE mentions it and even a cover artist there seems to be no evidence of a cover online; can anyone find one? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:06, 3 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== To the Sound of Freedom II==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive53#To_the_Sound_of_Freedom; I came across this record again today; should it get an all-8's date? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:24, 4 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== HG Wells and His Critics ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=wells-and-his-critics; Anyone know a way to tell which of the 3 publishers these copies are from so I can add links? The USA one has no record; maybe it was never actually published by them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:38, 5 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Top Science Fiction ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=pachter-josh+top&sort=-addeddate; Someone added intros to this anthology recently, I added archived link long ago, just noticed a Spanish-language edition, La crema de la ciencia ficción, was upped to Archive.org in 2013 in case anyone fluent wants to enter that. EDIT: From the same publisher is La Crema del crimen, https://archive.org/search?query=crema-del-crimen, which includes a few stories from ISFDB judging by back cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:40, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I will add the Spanish one. What the heck. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:12, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Pachter ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1914279; Josh Pachter is credited as "with" on title page of 2015 English edition on Archive.org. Should he be added as co-author? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:21, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I didn't check the Archive.org copy, but the Look Inside on Amazon shows that "with" citation, but then on the copyright page it says the English translation is copyright 2015 Dhooge and Pachter. There is also a copyright 2014 for Dhooge and the original publisher. I interpret that to mean Pachter's role was (co-?)translator. I found Pachter's [http://www.joshpachter.com/bib/bibliography.html bibliography page], and this listed in the "Translations" section. But just to avoid having anything be too clear, he also has [http://www.joshpachter.com/bib/bib.styx.html this], where he talks about previously translating another Dhooge work and being asked to "collaborate on an American version" of this one. So does that mean this isn't a translation but is actually a major revision? Dunno. Given that Pachter only takes credit for translating it, I think noting him as translator and documenting the "with" citation and the copyright statements (could throw in the Pachter site references as a bonus) should be sufficient. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:30, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Star Gors ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5851689; I was adding links and adding/fixing other stuff in some Gor editions, mostly UK Star PB, when I noticed an artist's signature for Players of Gor, Star edition, is on the cover but ISFDB had no credit. I tried several names I thought it could be and finally got Tony Masero who, as far as I can tell, is credited exactly once on the entire net for doing this cover, an AbeBooks/Biblio seller's description, but AbeBooks show the wrong (Daw Books) cover and Biblio's scan of the right cover is much too small to see the signature clearly. So I think I got a rare one. As can be seen here, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_publisher&O_2=exact&TERM_2=star&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=contains&TERM_3=of+gor&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication], there are 5 other Star editions with no cover credit; if anyone can find a signature on any of them, beat me to it and enter them yourselves. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:49, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Night Mayor Cover Art ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?474; I noticed that the cover art for the original UK HC and the US C&G HC, which is the same, is credited to 2 different artists here. It's easy to find photos of the back flap of US online which does say design by Roy Colmer but of the several eBay sellers who offer the UK none thought to show the back flap. There are many C&G Colmer design credits online so I'm thinking Kemp did the art and US just didn't credit him, only their designer. So should we make C&G artist Jon Kemp with a note about him not being credited? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:11, 10 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:I have the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44644 UK hc of Kim Newman / The Night Mayor]. The rear flap of the dust jacket states: "Jacket Illustration: Jon Kemp" and "Jacket Design: Bostock & Pollitt Ltd." [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:44, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Darrah Chavey's Passing ==<br />
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I was saddened to read this morning of [[User:Chavey|Chavey]]'s passing in [https://file770.com/pixel-scroll-1-10-24-tom-swift-and-his-scrolling-pixels/ File 770] (Number 7 in the Pixel Scroll). It was always a pleasure to work with him here and he will be missed. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:49, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I replaced link on his page with an updated one; also, while adding a link to the issue of the zine, Aurora, where his Walton essays appeared I discovered that most issues of Aurora and its predecessor Janus are on Archive.org, he PV most (all?) of them, but some have full contents while others have nothing. I imported a few poems from Robert Frazier, Steven M. Tymon, etc. but there's a ton of other book reviews and articles and stuff for anyone who's interested. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:15, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: Sad news indeed. He had a heart attack a few years ago and has been less active since then, but he was only 69, so it was unexpected. Thanks for updating his User and Talk pages. I have updated user rights on his account. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 23:11, 12 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Rtrace, thanks for letting us all know. I echo your sentiments. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:47, 13 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Barn Owl ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?4296; I made an edit for City of Hermits long ago and today added some more stuff; I think this Barn Owl is not the same as the other that published much later. Ann Jungman who wrote a few of the later ones has a Wiki page where it says she founded Barn Owl in 1999 so I think the 1983 one should get a USA or California or something added to it. Whoever wrote the note about Frances Lincoln here seems to have conflated the 2 publishers; the England location probably belongs with the later publisher. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:27, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I separated out [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?4296 Barn Owl Books (UK)] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?83339 Barn Owl Books (USA)] based on the ISBN's. I also updated the notes for Barn Owl Books (UK) based on [https://www.thebookseller.com/news/frances-lincoln-acquires-barn-owl this article]. When untangling publishers, the [https://grp.isbn-international.org/ Global Register of Publishers] can be of help. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:11, 13 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Pat Frank Title ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5856366; I added cover image long ago; just came across archived copy which was there years before my edit so I'm not sure why I didn't add it back then but I did now and also added dash in title, H-Bomb, but I noticed there's another part of the title that people can't decide on. Mhhutchins entered it with 3 dots but title page has one GIANT dot while facing page has long dash and LOC/WorldCat has comma. So what's the consensus? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:44, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Sue Robinson ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?16675; I added archived link and a few other things to the HC of Amendment; author is a respected American newsperson. She should be differed from the Australian author. 1992 story in Weird Tales may be by either of them or another person since there's no bio in that issue. Also, does anyone own Amendment PB? It has nice cover art but there's no back cover photo online where I assume the artist would be credited. I see some weird blocks in the lower right, P and another letter, maybe initials or maybe just part of the art. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:10, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I separated out ''The Amendment'' to {{A|Sue Robinson (I)|373246}}. The author blurb for ''The Amendment'' does not align with the bio for the more prominent newspaper reporter of the same name, nor does that person list ''The Amendment'' as one of their works on their personal or faculty website. So probably two different reporters with same name. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:55, 13 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Peter Goodfellow ==<br />
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http://petergoodfellow.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/18-misc2; I added a few credits for this artist but the last one has me stumped because the 1992 edition had the same cover as the last image here, http://petergoodfellow.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/18-misc2, but that was wrong because archived copy has the same Posen cover as the later printing on ISFDB. Goodfellow cover has an M for Mammoth so was it an earlier or later edition and why can't I find the original Methuen cover anywhere? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:54, 12 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== French Swastika ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5857839; French speakers, I made my usual shaky attempt at entering a foreign-language edition but I felt a book of such fame probably deserved it; after approval if anyone cares to look it over I'm sure it can be improved. I also made a follow-up edit changing date of French variant to a year earlier to match the date of this book. Also, those Feminist Press editions, https://archive.org/search?query=swastika-night&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22, are a mess, the one with the white cover matches the UK Lawrence & Wishart edition's cover but has the info of the '85 Feminist edition, while the other 2 with the face on the cover either a) have no price on the back and totally different back cover text but copyright page is the same or b) are a 4th printing from 2003, I think, with cover info on copyright page the '85 edition doesn't have and a missing back cover so no way to tell what was on there. If anyone cares to figure all that out. For some reason the French edition I mentioned above is in English according to Archive.org which is obviously wrong. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:59, 12 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== UK Omni ==<br />
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https://fantlab.ru/edition356174; I added archived links to the 6 volumes of Best of Omni and noticed FantLab has a photo of #6 with a UK price on it in case anyone knows more about that; maybe all 6 were published there but, if so, none are on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:23, 14 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Tiret-Bognet ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=bognet&type=Name; same Verne illustrator, same book in different languages, one should be parent and maybe some of the art needs merging, Holmesd worked on many of these Verne books so he'd probably know. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:48, 14 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Server maintenance 2024-01-15 at 3pm EST ==<br />
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The ISFDB server will be down for maintenance on 2024-01-15 (today) between 3pm and 3:10pm EST. The database and the Wiki will be unavailable. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:09, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: The server is back up. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:06, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== N. Katerli ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=katerli&type=Name; I found a huge (380+ pages) thread on FantLab's message boards with people who have died, many of which were never entered on ISFDB (not all genre, though, some footballers and other non-genre people are included, too) and while adding many dates and photos I came across Katerli; I added Wiki link, day of death, and photo to Nina's record but is that other spelling the same person? If so, some variant would probably be needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:25, 17 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:It's very possible, given how things get romanized from Eastern European languages. Perhaps one of our Eastern European language people can do a little digging? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:30, 17 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::Looking into it a bit myself, I'm 100% sure they are the same person. Working on connecting them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:57, 17 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::Okay, everything is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?373565 here], now. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:27, 17 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Thanks for working on her stories. I have added dates and updated the author record. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:51, 17 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Terry Venables ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5861442; Is this the famous footballer (or soccer, as we Yanks call it)? There seem to be a lot of photos of him but some of them look like a different person so just making sure this is the right guy (he wrote some novels including Bornless Keeper which is on ISFDB but online info seems to suggest he didn't actually write any of it, Gordon Williams did). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:44, 17 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Yes, things like that do happen: there are several titles in the database for which it is doubtful if the featured prominent author did actually write them; and so, jugig from the photo and the theme of the listed title it is '''the''' Terry Venables. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:38, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::I can confirm that the photo in your submission is indeed of the English footballer [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Venables Terry Venables]. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:42, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Alchemy Magazine ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?35135; Luminist.org has a lot of magazines not on Archive.org and while replacing cover and adding link to Alchemy #2 I noticed all 3 issues have a different format, TP/unknown/pulp. Those who know about such things may want to adjust those since I'm assuming they all should be the same format. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 01:11, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Dinotopia Digest Novels ==<br />
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I just made about 20 edits for this series (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5862661 through https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5862859) and as usual with series books it's a nightmare; I think I did as much as I could with what's available (oddly, only 1 book, Survive!, didn't have its original Random House edition entered on ISFDB so I had to scrounge up a copy on Google Books to enter info from). I think only one thing may raise questions and that's this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2230051, where an editor here in 2017 entered James Gurney as cover artist but even though he's mentioned on all copyright pages because he's the creator/owner of Dinotopia it was actually Michael Welply who did all the covers. Problem is after I removed cover credit (I didn't enter Welply because while it does say that in archived 3rd printing copy there are some 1st printings of books in the series that misspelled it as Welpley and then corrected that in later printings) I noticed the nomination for best cover in the art record. So I don't know what to make of that; was Gurney nominated because he's the creator or did someone make a mistake and not nominate the real artist, Welply? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:58, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Pratchett's Eric - converting into novella? ==<br />
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I did a word count on a digital version of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1832 Eric], and it's around 35000 words, i.e. clearly a novella. Comments on the title and various publication records point out how unusually short it is. [http://www.locusmag.com/index/b381.htm Locus] calls the first edition a novella, but later editions a novel. I think the novella classification is correct, but am hesitant in converting such a high-profile title. Any opinions? [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] ([[User talk:TerokNor|talk]]) 08:01, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: My electronic copy contains 34.2K words, so it's a novella. That said, I wonder about Locus changing its classification after the first edition. Is there any indication that later editions may have been longer? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:43, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:: I can find no indication of there being different editions of the text. I noticed however that after the original illustrated edition (which was billed "A Discworld Story"), it usually says "A Discworld Novel" on the covers, so Locus might have just gone with that. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] ([[User talk:TerokNor|talk]]) 13:59, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: It sounds like it's a novella whose subtitle (but not the word count) was changed in later editions. I suggest we wait for other editors to share their thoughts before we change the type from NOVEL to SHORTFICTION. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:49, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::I added an Archive.org link in a PENDING edit to The Illustrated Eric, 2010 Gollancz HC, so that may help with the counting; page count said 144 but it is actually 131. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:26, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: I have approved the submission that corrected the page count and updated the Note field to indicate where the corrected page count comes from. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:49, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::: (Chime) Not surprised, don't care, go ahead. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 21:26, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) Hearing no objection, I have left a message on TerokNor's Talk page asking him to proceed with the proposed changes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:38, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Thank you. I have submitted the first edit to begin the process. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] ([[User talk:TerokNor|talk]]) 05:19, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Late Mods ==<br />
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I had a thought while adding FantLab ID to a PV Brian Lumley book today; is there a way to remove the necessity of adding a note to the mod about what changes you made if the mod is deceased? There have been several mod losses recently, most of whom PV countless books, so it would save time to not have to write anything if the only PV's are ones who are not going to read those notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:23, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: I think there are two sides to this issue.<br />
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: The first one is technical, i.e. whether it would be possible to modify the software to check each primary verifier's Talk page to see if it starts with the "Deceased user" template. The short answer is "Yes, it would be possible, although it would also make our core software more closely intertwined with the Wiki software, which may become a minor nuisance during the next Wiki upgrade".<br />
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: The second one is functional, i.e. whether making this kind of change would be desirable. I am not sure it would. It would save some keystrokes, but there is value to having more detailed Edit History for primary verified publications even if their verifiers are no longer available. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:42, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Moll/Head Virgin Planet ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5864268; I added cover and prices but I think publisher should be changed to Wyndham, either Star or Tandem or Target which are all on ISFDB related to Wyndham, since their logo is on front and back covers, https://www.ebay.com/itm/143869122299. The other issue is the cover is the same Charles Moll art as earlier US paperbacks; Michael Head was a designer with 1 other ISFDB credit that notes say is just a photo and a Mike Head I noted in an edit earlier today as the designer for Piatkus edition of M. Bingley's Waiting Darkness did a cover which is just a photo of a fist. So where Head credit came from for Virgin Planet I don't know but I think Moll credit should replace it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:09, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== One Hundred Years of Science Fiction ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5864915; I'm guessing this Gollancz edition is rare judging by the fact there's almost no photos of the cover online. As can be seen in my edit, notes about year (probably very old and entered by the long-gone Bluesman) are obsolete now because the year is on the title page. Also, the price was entered by Mellotronman from his copy but for a 1969 UK book the pre-decimal price should be entered so that's what I did; problem is in his note to mod in edit history he says other price is 32s, not 30. So if he's still around he may want to PV and add a note about the alternate price (I'm assuming the archived copy's flap is badly framed which is why the other price is not visible) and delete year notes and add a new one saying the date is on the title page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:31, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:It doesn't help that two different printings share the same ISBN. Mine says 1970 on the front of the title page and 'second impression 1970' on the back of the same page. The price is most definitely listed on the dust jacket as '32s', an unusual way of writing 'shillings'. The more usual way would be '32/-'. Perhaps the first impression was 30s and the second 32? [[User:Mellotronman|Mellotronman]] ([[User talk:Mellotronman|talk]]) 16:55, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::OK, I think it makes sense now, copy on Archive.org is '69 1st pr. with just s-price while your 1970 2nd pr. has both s-price and pounds. So after my edit is approved you may want to clone it and enter yours with new date and prices and PV it, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:07, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Tom Palmer ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?98449; 2 or 3 different Palmers here; novels are by the guy pictured but the art credits are by the recently deceased (2022) famous comic artist who had a still-online site, tompalmerillustration, and a Wiki page as Tom Palmer (comics); the poem, judging by the bio at the archived Aphelion link, is by another likely American Palmer. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:58, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Lone Star Law ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?80404; Anyone think this should be deleted? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:34, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: The Note field says:<br />
:* Western story anthology. It may have some spec-fic stories, but otherwise, there's no reason for it to be in the database.<br />
: Have we been able to find this anthology's table of contents and determine whether any of the stories are SF? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:23, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::I was able to look at the ToC via the Amazon Look Inside feature for the pb edition (ISBN 978-1982153069) and I don't see anything there that looks like SF. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:38, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Reading the editor's introductions to each story I noticed that two stories were called "eerie". After reading them, I can confirm that one is an unambiguous ghost story while the other one is an ambiguous "curse" story. I have added them to the publication record and updated Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:13, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Recording plagiarized work ==<br />
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A couple of days ago [https://file770.com/pixel-scroll-1-19-24-all-these-pixels-are-someone-elses-fault/ File 770 reported] (item 5) that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3221864 "After the Flood" by John Kucera] was plagiarised from another author. I've added a note to that title record, but I'm wondering whether anything else should be done, e.g. making it a variant? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 01:36, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Unless the poem uses the same wording I'd think the only thing we can do is to add notes to the title (and likely the publications the plagiat was published in). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:32, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:All three of the works "by" this author that are listed on ISFDB appear to have been plagiarized. I've added notes to the title entries as well as the publication entries. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:59, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks all! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:22, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::At some point, we should probably make them variants since (in all the reports I've read) only the title were changed by the plagiarizer. Similar to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1570478 this one]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:34, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::I've added the variants for the two I could figure out. Still unsure who originally wrote "[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3205023 Summer 1993]" and what the original title was. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:15, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::How about this one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2951283? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:29, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::Looks like it's the same guy per a Google search that brought up [https://eunoiareview.wordpress.com/2023/11/16/fanlight-and-ice/ this] ([https://web.archive.org/web/20240123001032/https://www.silverblade.net/tag/john-siepkes/ archive]), which is the same thing but under his Kucera name. Now to try to figure out who really wrote it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:06, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::Some additional archive links to help us figure out all of this: [https://web.archive.org/web/20230604133528/https://thewildword.com/poetry-john-kucera/ Wild Word], [https://lothlorienpoetryjournal.blogspot.com/2024/01/john-kucera-exposed-as-serial-plagiarist.html Lothlorien Poetry Journal] ([https://web.archive.org/web/20240123004257/https://lothlorienpoetryjournal.blogspot.com/2024/01/john-kucera-exposed-as-serial-plagiarist.html archive]), [https://twitter.com/OneArtPoetry1/status/1747732242581876815 One Art Poetry on X], [https://web.archive.org/web/20230922115703/https://oneartpoetry.com/2023/09/11/two-poems-by-john-kucera/ One Art Poetry], [https://web.archive.org/web/20230530004119/https://www.fictionalcafe.com/spare-parts-poetry-by-john-kucera/ The Fictional Cafe], [https://web.archive.org/web/20240122101438/https://sparksofcalliope.com/2024/01/17/it-was-bound-to-happen-eventually/ Sparks of Calliope] (see also [https://web.archive.org/web/20240123004746/https://sparksofcalliope.com/2023/09/22/two-poems-by-john-kucera/ this page]), [https://issuu.com/newreadermagazine/docs/nrm_issue17_lowres_1_/s/16096176 New Reader Magazine] ([https://web.archive.org/web/20240123005036/https://issuu.com/newreadermagazine/docs/nrm_issue17_lowres_1_/s/16096176 archive]), [https://bsky.app/profile/wnwagner.bsky.social/post/3kj5gwyptla2o Wendy N. Wagner loves pie on BlueSky], and I'll add more later. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:31, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) I suspect that the issue of plagiarized works is going to become harder to deal with in the near future. In the past we had to deal with two types of scenarios:<br />
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* word-for-word reprints with the title/credits changed, usually by shady publishers or self-publishers<br />
* more elaborate schemes whose perpetrators plagiarized sections of other authors' works<br />
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The first type is fairly straightforward, but the second type is hard to catch. For example, volumes 29 and 33 in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?4950 ''Casca'' series] were retroactively removed from the series over allegations of plagiarism in April-June 2013. It happened 3-5 years after their original publication even though the Casca fandom is very active. It's not something that we, bibliographers, can realistically identify on our own.<br />
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Over the last few months I have seen a number of reports of plagiarists using software to scrape Web-published stories, massage them using ChatGPT and put them on Amazon, e.g. [https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgressionFantasy/comments/18v1d5e/attention_authors_of_rr_there_has_been_a_spree_of/ this episode over the Christmas holidays]. I suspect it's going to be a pain to deal with. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:29, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Bard II ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291859; Wrong cover, it has price and ISBN of earlier printing, I can't find right cover, if anyone else can, can you upload it and replace this one? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:47, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Also, The First Long Ship (or Longship on some sites) which has no cover online I can find so if it exists and someone can find it that needs uploading, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:03, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Galactic Central Images ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5867682; The only other site I can find that has this cover is Camelot Books; I was going to upload it when I thought of checking Philsp and found it hiding there. Is the owner(s) of that site ever going to upgrade to HTTPS? Right-click and "open image in new tab" does show the image but it still would be better if that didn't have to be done. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:43, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Last I heard, the owner said that he had no plans to upgrade to HTTPS. That said, browser vendors have been making it harder to access HTTP sites, which puts pressure on site owners to upgrade. It remains to be seen how it may affect Galactic Central in the future. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:21, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== German Playboy ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?757; While replacing sideways Amazon cover with better straight cover for one of these books I noticed there are 8 or 9 that don't have cover credits (last book was unpublished so likely no cover exists); since most covers in the series were originally on English-language books it's likely the missing ones were, too, so if anyone can recognize the art then artists can be entered and variants can be made. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:08, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Brian Ames Title ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?119003; I added a link to a MOTA anthology over a year ago and there's a 2002 story by Brian Ames which editors before me seemed to have trouble deciding how to enter (see extensive title edit history), eventually settling on a symbol; however, in his collection someone entered the title as "grey blob", which is what it actually looks like in the anthology. So the 2 stories are the same and should be merged but what should the title be entered as? This reminds me of that David J. Schow horror story where nobody can ever decide how to enter it and eventually settled on "scribbled graffiti" or this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?76213, but at least Oates can get away with that because most of her work is pretentious "literary" stuff, anyway. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:22, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Merged [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2148942 here]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:39, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Duplicate finder -- NOVEL/CHAPBOOK? ==<br />
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The "Duplicate Finder" program, which exists in three incarnations -- one for Author pages, one for Title pages and one for Publication pages -- searches for potential duplicate titles and then lets you merge them. Its default mode of operations is "exact", which means that two (or more) titles need to have the exact same spelling as well as the same authors in order to be considered potential duplicates.<br />
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The "exact" mode also ignores unlikely title type mismatches. For example, if one title record is SHORTFICTION and another one is NOVEL, they won't be flagged as potential duplicates. However, the "exact" mode currently flags NOVEL and CHAPBOOK titles with identical titles and authors as potential duplicates. I am thinking that this is likely more harmful than useful and would like to propose that we change the behavior of the "exact" mode to skip identical NOVEL/CHAPBOOK pairs. Ideas? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:35, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I agree. As it is currently, we could accidentally merge titles incorrectly. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:40, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::I also agree. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:21, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::: I use that one a lot especially when adding juvenile chapbooks to prolific authors (mainly Fixer's) - because of how Amazon has these, they rarely make it to addPubs and not having the duplicate finder highlight the previously entered novel (a lot of these are stored as novels and need conversion) makes it more likely not to see the other version on the page. So I would rather not lose it... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:43, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: Let me clarify that the Duplicate Finder's "similar" mode would continue to flag NOVEL, SHORTFICTION and CHAPBOOK titles as potential duplicates after the proposed change. Would it be sufficient for Fixer-originated use cases? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:41, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::: But we do not have a similar mode in the pubs/titles Duplicate finder. The one I use is the one that triggers when you click on "Check for Duplicate Titles" after a Pub/Title Edit. Which I believe is "exact". If I need to go to the author page every time to run a separate similar mode check, it will add steps. Plus in some of these authors, it will highlight a lot of things which is different from the current case where it is a quick check that finds usually a single match when it does. I can make it work - but it will add to the workflow. One option may be to allow the similar as an option on pub/title duplicate finder - keep the exact as a default but allow a similar to be run with a click how we do it on author page's find duplicates? A separate click which is right there will help. <br />
::::: And this is not just for Fixer usecases - I've needed it when moderating as well often enough in a similar usecase - we have chapbook/novel and a new(ish) member adds the same as the other. <br />
::::: If the proposal is to remove it from the 'Author' exact duplicate finder only with no change for the pub/title duplicate finder, then I am fine with removing it there. But the way the proposal reads, it sounds like we are not going to show it in the default mode in either :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 10:45, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::::: Thanks for the clarification. I forgot about the fact that the versions of the Duplicate Finder software used on Publication and Title pages do not support "similar" and "aggressive" modes. If memory serves, the reason was performance -- there can be thousands of titles with "similar" spellings where "similar" is defined as an 85% overlap, the current threshold value.<br />
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:::::: It sounds like what we may need is a new Duplicate Finder mode. Something that would be the same as the "exact" mode except that it would also flag identical CHAPBOOK/NOVEL title pairs. It would be made available on all three Duplicate Finder pages.<br />
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:::::: If it sounds workable, I can look into what it would take to implement it. I suspect that it should be a fairly straightforward change, but I am not 100% sure. We'll also need to come up with an intuitive name for the new mode. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:11, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::: That will work for me. And if you are going to do it, we may think about throwing an anthology/collection/omnibus format mix in the same mode (same usecase essentially - especially around juveniles and novellas previously added as novels). And even poem/shortfiction? Maybe simply pull all the format discrepancy matches out from Exact (requiring a format match in it) and move them to their own type of duplicate finder mode. That will also make it less likely for someone to merge by mistake based on the standard duplicate find.[[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:27, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::::::: You could have "type" be an independent modifier applied to any of the three modes. Something like "Match identical types only", on by default. That would also be easy to extend to other criteria (e.g., language) in the future without having a cross product of mode choices. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 14:26, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::::::: Good point! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:43, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) After experimenting on the development server and paying closer attention when working on the Clean Authors cleanup, I think I have a better appreciation for Annie's concerns. At this point clicking "Check for Duplicate Titles" post-approval is second nature for moderators and self-approvers. When a submission adds a NOVEL publication, it's very helpful to know that a CHAPBOOK pub with the same title already exists in the database, especially if the submitter is a robot. Requiring the approving moderator to click yet another link/button would mess with the workflow.<br />
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I suppose we could change the Duplicate Finder logic to ignore CHAPBOOK/NOVEL duplicates by default, but display a yellow warning -- and a link to the more relaxed version of the Duplicate Finder -- if they exist. I am not sure it would be ideal, though. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:34, 31 January 2024 (EST)<br />
: As long as it is a link and not a need to go elsewhere or to go to the author level, that will work for me. <br />
: I'd also want to ask for the anthology/collection/omnibus and the poem/short fiction checks to be added to the chapbook/novel both for the yellow warning and the more relaxed one - both of these happen often enough to be annoying if we lose the ability to see them on the duplicate finder. Unless the plan is to leave these into the default one - in which case, we are fine. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:45, 31 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: After thinking some more about this issue, it occurs to me that there may be another way to approach this issue. Currently, most post-approval Web pages display links that let you view/edit the updated/added record or, for some submission types like Make Variant, multiple records. A few post-submission pages also link to the Duplicate Finder or other pages.<br />
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:: However, there is nothing preventing the post-approval software from quietly checking the status of the added/updated record(s) and displaying appropriate warnings. For example, the post-approval page for NewPubs could run the Duplicate Finder behind the scenes and then display a message like:<br />
::* The added publication record includes a title record with the same title and authors as another title record. Use the Duplicate Finder link above to see the details.<br />
:: This warning message would be easy to implement and moderators would no longer have to worry about forgetting to click "Duplicate Finder" after approving NewPub submissions. Does this sound useful?<br />
:: If we choose to add this warning message, we could still decide to tweak the Duplicate Finder logic later, but I think the message should be implemented first since it changes the workflow. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:53, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::: That will be useful -- I am not sure how many false alerts will show up and how they will be treated (especially from the less experienced moderating users - usually the self-approvers) but other from that, any checks the software can do for me are always welcome. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:08, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: OK, {{FR|1592}}, "Warning after approving NewPub submissions which create potential duplicates", has been created. We'll see how useful it will be. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:48, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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=== Duplicate Finder enhancements -- Outcome ===<br />
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{{FR|1592}} has been implemented. After approving NewPub/AddPub/ClonePub/EditPub submissions, moderators and self-approvers will now see a yellow warning and a link to the Duplicate Finder if the created/affected publication record contains one (or more) title records which have the same title(s) and author(s) as other title records in the database. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:58, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Moondust ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?22737; I added a whole bunch of edits for Rosemary Harris books and also found a PDF link for her early uncollected story "Hamlin" at Galactic Journey. Looking through their list of PDF's I noticed a Swann link and, thinking it would be a short story, I clicked it and it turned out to be the full original edition of his novel Moondust which has no copies at the usual places like Internet Archive or Luminist. I'm guessing there's more novels hiding in that list but for now I'll just ask if anyone owns the book and wouldn't mind transcribing the text on the last 2 pages and adding it to the record because those are missing in the PDF. I'm not sure what copyright rules are for a 50+-year-old book but I think a page or two would count as an excerpt and wouldn't bother anyone, right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:43, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:That can get complicated. Since this was first published in 1968 in the United States, and if it was published with a copyright notice, the copyright expires at the end of 2063 (meaning it becomes public domain on January 1, 2064). If it was published without a copyright notice, since it was published between 1964 and 1977, it is now in the public domain. See [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Public_domain#When_does_copyright_expire? here] for more details. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:27, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Looking at the PDF copy from the link you submitted, the copyright notice is very clear on the back of the title page. This means the copyright doesn't expire until 2064, so we shouldn't be linking to a pirated PDF copy. I rejected the link addition. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:30, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::So does that mean that all the 330 or so Luminist.org PDF's currently linked on ISFDB are pirated, too? Because I don't think most of those are public domain; I would know because I'm the one who added most of the links. Has any mod in the history of this site ever gotten a request from anyone to remove a Luminist PDF? I'd be curious to know. When someone pirates something and uploads it, they love to add their name, fake as it may be, to the upload, similar to how computer game crackers decades ago loved to add their names to the crack, usually with some animation and music (which were sometimes better than those in the game itself); believe me, I could easily add hundreds of Internet Archive links to rare books right now except for the fact that the uploaders converted them to crap e-editions with removed page numbers. I don't see anything like that in Moondust so it's likely someone's personal copy they converted to a PDF; it's clearly the original paperback with page numbers and a bookstore sticker on the cover and everything. Since Swann died in 1976 and the last reprint as far as ISFDB (and WorldCat) say was in 1977 I doubt anyone would care if a PDF was linked to here; any serious collector would want a physical copy. My suggestion would be to un-reject it. Barring that, I'll just go ahead and make a note with the address of the PDF but not hot-linked so people know where it is but actually have to paste the URL into the address bar themselves in order to get it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:47, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::This guy, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?286234, runs the site. Looks legit to me; he even published a magazine of the same title. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:08, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: The question about the status of Luminist-hosted PDF files is an interesting one. I should first note that I became aware of the Luminist Web site back in 2010 when we were given permission to link to Luminist-hosted images. I was under the impression that the files that they host were similar to [https://www.gutenberg.org/help/copyright.html Gutenberg-hosted "copyright-cleared" files], which is why I have been approving their addition for the last few years.<br />
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::::However, reading the copyright statement on the [http://www.luminist.org/archives/ main Luminist page]:<br />
::::* This collection may contain copyrighted material which has not been specifically authorized for our use. The copyright law of the United States (Title 17, United States Code) provides for making “fair use” copies of copyrighted materials under certain conditions, including that that the reproduction is not to be used commercially or “for any purpose other than private study, scholarship, or research.” By accessing files linked to this site you are agreeing to abide by these restrictions. If you do not agree, do not download. If any copyright owner objects to our inclusion of their material on this web site, please do not harass our hosting providers; just contact us with the pertinent information. We will remove contested content promptly upon receipt of legitimate requests. Readers who wish to obtain a permanent copy of any item are encouraged to acquire one from a bookseller of their choice. Readers may contact us for assistance in locating copies for purchase. <br />
:::: I see that they expect their users to download PDF files for "private study, scholarship, or research" purposes and, apparently, not for permanent use. This relies on an interpretation of the [https://copyright.columbia.edu/basics/fair-use.html "fair use" doctrine] which seems a bit too stretchy to me, but I am not an expert in the field. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:09, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::OK, sounds good to me, "private study" clearly can mean reading the book and since they're being linked at ISFDB that covers the scholarship/research part. Also, what I took to be a Galactic Journey magazine is just a few random pages from the webzine with a couple of essay links, 1 of which is movie-related and probably doesn't qualify, but there's some Hugo Award nomination so I guess they count; the first entry is totally blank and was actually entered by user "galacticjourney" himself with mods questioning on his page why he entered it since it's a webzine. The site is still running currently and has hundreds of essays, many of which would be suitable for entry here, I'm sure. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:25, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::::: Let me clarify what I meant by "a bit too stretchy". The part of the Copyright Law that they cite -- "for any purpose other than private study, scholarship, or research" -- doesn't come from the "fair use" clause ([https://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107 Section 107 of the Copyright Act].) Instead it comes from [https://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#108 Section 108, "Reproduction by libraries and archives"]. Section 108 is a lengthy section with a set of provisions that are completely different from the "fair use" provisions in Section 107. It's odd that the Luminist Web site cites Section 108 ("libraries and archives") language to support what they state is a Section 107 ("fair use") exception.<br />
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:::::: I should add that both Section 107 and Section 108 lawsuits can get complex and technical as we saw during [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hachette_v._Internet_Archive Hachette v. Internet Archive] in 2020-2023. My knowledge of these topics is very limited, but hopefully other editors may have more in-depth knowledge and/or relevant experience in this field. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:38, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::::: I have started a [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Linking_to_third_party_Web_pages_--_defining_.22legally_posted.22 Rules and Standards discussion] to see if we can come up with unambiguous rules for linking to third party-hosted texts. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:50, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Reactor?!? ==<br />
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I was at my awful local public library printing out various articles and short stories for free which is the only positive thing about libraries these days and after my hour was up I realized I forgot to check Tor.com to see if they published any new fiction (horror only, please, no SF or fantasy) so I checked when I got home and got a scary-looking page which made me think a computer virus had finally taken hold of my laptop after not having one for many years but it turns out that Tor apparently has re-named themselves Reactor. Is anyone else aware of this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:08, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
: Yes, they announced it a few weeks ago. New site, new name (to differentiate them from the Tor.com publisher), same team, same contents. All the old links to their old site should be forwarding cleanly to the new one. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:30, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
: And the [https://reactormag.com/tor-com-to-become-reactor-debut-new-site-on-january-23rd/ announcement] and [https://reactormag.com/answering-your-questions-about-tor-coms-change-to-reactor/ Q&A] about it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:31, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: I suspect that the part of the FAQ that is most likely to affect us is this:<br />
::* SFF literature is still the heart of what we do, and that’s our priority. We’ll just also be open to related subjects of interest, from nonfic to romantasy, pirates to gardening, and so on.<br />
:: So it looks like they will have more non-genre content going forward, but they expect to remain primarily SF-oriented for the foreseeable future. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:23, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Chinese Godzilla? ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=%E6%80%AA%E7%8D%A3%E3%82%B4%E3%82%B8%E3%83%A9&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22; If anyone knows what this is about and decides it warrants entering, thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:18, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Magic German Cats ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?33710; There was a 1999 German edition under a new title, https://archive.org/details/katmagie13katten0000unse, in case anyone fluent wants to enter that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:02, 30 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== ZOLTAR ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_verifier&O_2=exact&TERM_2=Zoltar&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication]; Polish primary verifier seemed to be very active in 2012 and then nothing, they left a lot of their 300+ PV unfinished with missing info, mentioning this in case anyone fluent in Polish wants to follow up on any of them and add or fix anything. I thought of this before but remembered it today after finding a photo for Jerzy Sosnowski on FantLab and an archived copy of the anthology PL +50 which his story on ISFDB appears in. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:45, 30 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== verification email ==<br />
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I have tried several times to elicit a verification email but nothing has arrived. I've checked junk & trash as well. Is this simply not working? {{unsigned|Starman99}}<br />
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: I am afraid this is a common occurrence, which we [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#What_if_I_don.27t_receive_the_confirmation_email.3F discuss in the ISFDB FAQ]:<br />
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:* Different email servers have different automated rules which may block email coming from certain Web sites, which makes it hard to tell what's preventing ISFDB confirmation email from being delivered to your mailbox.<br />
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:* Note, however, that confirmation emails are optional as far as ISFDB is concerned. As long as you can log in, you have full access to all ISFDB features including Advanced Search, display preferences, submission creation etc.<br />
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: Since you were able to post the message above, you should be all set :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:11, 30 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Ace Dates ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5872024; Can someone on the long list of editors find out where someone got month from? Whoever entered many of these old PB long ago was very random about noting where they got the month, but I remember it was a checklist or something so that's likely where this one came from, too. I thought it would be obvious why I added the month since it's there throughout the contents but I guess not. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:27, 30 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Berthon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=theodore+le&type=Name; Space in first entry separates same essay from its appearances elsewhere; no essay title page I can find but I did see a contents page of Frankenstein File that says, um, Ted Le Berthon, https://www.ebay.com/itm/334647759422. So, if anyone can verify, a merge or variant will be needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:08, 31 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== I'm looking for a book title ==<br />
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Hello everyone,<br />
I'm looking for a book title. I read the book years ago probably in the 80s. A quick summary the world is divided by a massive mountain range. I think that the protagonist must climb the mountain range in order to become the ruler. They climb the mountain only to find a deep valley on the other side with an even higher mountain range behind it. The protagonist ultimately climbs the second mountain range where they find another land on the far side with another intelligent species. This has been driving me batty and I would appreciate it if anyone knows what this books title is and who wrote it. Thank you. {{Unsigned2|19:21, February 1, 2024| Firefighterbgrg }}<br />
:If no one here is able to help you, we have a [[ISFDB:FAQ#I need help finding a book|section in our FAQ]] that gives several places where you can ask for help finding the book. Good luck! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:15, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Darrah Chavey ==<br />
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I learn via [https://news.ansible.uk/a439.html Ansible] today that Darrah Chavey left this mortal coil on 6 January. He was always a learned and consistent editor to work alongside at the ISFDB... Happy trails Darrah, Rest In Peace. :( [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 10:39, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Yes, indeed. There was a brief [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Darrah_Chavey.27s_Passing Community Portal discussion on 2024-01-11] and Darrah's database record was updated. RIP. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:01, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Gardner F. Fox's text story in "Strange Adventures" ==<br />
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Earlier today a Usenet poster pointed out that {{A|Gardner F. Fox}} published "The Magic Maker of Rann", a text story, in the comic ''Strange Adventures'' #226. The story is lavishly illustrated, but the text works just fine even if you were to reprint it without illustrations, which is how we determine whether a story is "graphic".<br />
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The whole thing is available [https://thedorkreview.blogspot.com/2012/01/adam-stranges-magic-maker-of-rann.html online], illustrations included. Should we treat ''Strange Adventures'' as a non-genre periodical and list this story? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:32, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:I've entered a number of Eando Binder stories from the {{Series|Lieutenant Jon Jarl of the Space Patrol}} series that originally appeared in {{Series|Captain Marvel Adventures}} comic, and I entered them in exactly the manner you suggest. I believe some of these stories have been reprinted as text alone, so I felt I was on pretty safe ground. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:43, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Lost Ark Storybook ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5880702; ISBN belongs to Scholastic edition judging by a back cover I saw online. There's a later (3rd) trade printing on Archive.org with trade and library ISBN on the copyright page so either this record should be made Scholastic or a new record created for Random House edition(s). I've been adding dozens of Wikipedia links to novelizations recently and I've come across some other issues like this (only one I can remember is Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade by Anne Digby which has pub. series as Hippo Books but that actually belongs to the UK edition which I made a new record for) so when these are approved a check and some fixing/adding is probably needed for at least a few of them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:50, 3 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Rise of the Silver Surfer ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?346021; I made an edit fixing typo "udpated" to "updated", surprisingly the only such error on all of ISFDB, and realized that this edition was likely never published with AbeBooks having a weird "cover to be unveiled" photo. So unless someone can find evidence of a copy I think this should get the unpublished date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:30, 3 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Parnassus Wizard of Earthsea ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/wizardofearthsea00ursu; I added a link to a Parnassus edition based on someone's extensive notes here (no number line or smudge on title page) but there are some editions of this book only linked from Open Library including the one above which has a price much higher than any other book from the publisher on ISFDB but copyright page has same info as 1969 2nd printing so if anyone knows a way to determine the date a new edition can be added. There's an ancient ISFDB bibliography from 2006 by Ahasuerus, https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Author:Ursula_K._Le_Guin, which could probably use some updating unless it's been updated somewhere else. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:08, 4 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Pranks ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?17626; I've made edits for all editions before, original 1983 Amazon cover seems to have disappeared leading to a broken image so I replaced it, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5882029, then I replaced OL/Archive cover which is too dark with an Amazon cover, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5882020, that isn't great but is brighter and still retains the sparkly stuff on the title that Leisure used to attract people to buy their books which then led to disappointment when the buyers realized the novels themselves were usually crap, the latest edition is fine as is, so now I think the 1983 edition with the wrong price and ISBN should be deleted and the image uploaded by Chris J. should be removed from the Wiki since it seems to be the badly creased cover that's still on Amazon with unnecessary back cover included. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:17, 5 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Felix Kelly ==<br />
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I entered new records for Faber anthologies Best Murder Stories and Best Murder Stories 2 which are mostly genre or by genre authors; I also looked at Best Tales of Terror, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4213, and even though I know I've seen that cover many times I never noticed until seeing it full-sized on FantLab that there's a very clear signature lower right, FELIX KELLY. I entered that in an edit but the problem is that the record for him, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?255975, might be the same artist who did the 1956 art but can't be the guy from 1879. So there may be 2 Felix Kellys in case anyone can find out more and separate them into 2 records; it's also possible that the 1956 art was not new but taken from something drawn by the older Kelly. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:09, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Also added Margaret Wolpe as cover artist for Best Tales of Terror 2; no signature I can see but FantLab credits her + there's a copy on Dalby's site whose front flap says she did "jacket design" and the art does look like many of her other Faber covers. Also greatly updated her record with lots of bio info and noted she was married to Berthold, also an artist, and updated his record as well. Dalby's copy has a pounds price sticker covering another pound price so I'm getting the impression Faber reprinted their anthologies many times with no way to tell except the prices kept getting higher; lots of printings are probably missing so if anyone has any not on ISFDB it would be good to enter them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:03, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Adventure of the Peerless Peer ==<br />
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Are there any objections to converting [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?11929 this] to a novella? The recent ebook reprint is marked as 27k words by Kobo USA and looking at the page numbers and some of the other editions, it does feel too small to be a novel. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:41, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: It's definitely a novella. The Titan Books edition (2011) is well over 200 pages and looks like a bona fide novel, but its apparent length is due to the addition of a very long promotional excerpt from {{A|Kim Newman}}'s ''Moriarty: The Hound of the D'Urbervilles''. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:16, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Termush - convert to novella ==<br />
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Another recent reprint shows [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1443797 this one] as 25k words in English (Kobo USA count) which will leave it well short of 40K in its original Danish as well. Any objections to converting this to a novella? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:27, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== John Stanley ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5883789; See my note about artist, that Little Lulu credit in the original Stanley record belongs with I's record because, as my note in the original says, he was born in '39 or '40 so he would only have been 9 or 10 if he did that art which is unlikely; this is the right Stanley, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stanley_(cartoonist). The Melvin Monster credits belong with I, too. I have to assume the Fengriffen Stanley is not the same as I because it's a UK edition and he's American plus it's a photograph, not drawn. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:10, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Doolin ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?431777; Late PV entered James Doolin based on signature but there is none, FantLab photo has initials JPD, it's actually Joseph Doolin, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?27894, and he has an entry for the same art, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1590968. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:48, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Uncorrected Proofs ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5870146 this submission] to update {{P|29328|this record}}. I noticed that the record states that it was unpublished (8888-00-00), yet there appears to be a cover that was just added. More importantly it also describes this as an "uncorrected proof" and I had thought that proofs were outside of our [[ISFDB:Policy#Contents/Project Scope Policy|scope]]. The policy specifically excludes Advance Reading Copies unless available for sale to the public. Do uncorrected proofs differ from ARCs in terms of determining scope? This seems straightforward to me and I believe the publication should be deleted. If others disagree and this requires a full discussion, we can move this the the Rules and Standards board. Thoughts? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:59, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
: I read the rules the same way you do - ARCs and uncorrected proofs are out. However, we do keep records of unpublished but announced books (these are in scope under the <i>announced but never published (entered as "unpublished")</i> part of ROA) so I would not delete this one as it is under that category. So ARC/uncorrected proof of a book that comes out will not be eligible but if the book never makes it out, adding the notes about it into the 8888 book are fine I think. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:22, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: Comparing this publication record with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3379 other, published, editions of the book], I note that it has a different ISBN in addition to a different publisher name. I typically enter announced-then-canceled ISBNs as 8888-00-00 publication records under the rule referenced by Annie. Their presence in our database helps answer a common question: "Whatever happened to this apparent first edition? Why can't I find any copies for sale?" We all know how obsessed collectors can get when it comes to first editions and our database is frequently the only readily accessible place that explains what happened to a "disappeared" ISBN. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:51, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::I've no argument with a publication record for an announced, but unpublished book. However, an unpublished book and an uncorrected proof are two different things. The notes on this record confuse the issue as to what the record represents. The addition of a cover scan and artist further confuses things. How are we able to display a cover of a book that was never published? I would suggest that the notes be reworked to indicate that a proof was done as evidence of the planned publication. We could replace the first two sentences with "The Bluejay Books imprint was dissolved late in 1986 just after an uncorrected proof for this planned edition was printed in September of that year." I would also recommend deleting the cover of the proof and rejecting the addition of an artist. I do worry that if we were to make an exception and allow a record specifically for an uncorrected proof when the book is never published, it would encourage the addition of other proofs and ARCs especially by those editors who surmise rules by examples of what is already in the database. If others think this should be a valid exception to allow records for proofs, then we should document it in the scope page as is done with ARCs offered for sale. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:00, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::: That sounds like a plan and the proposed change in the notes sounds fine to me - that will make it clear that the record is here because the book was announced and not because it had an ARC/uncorrected proofs done. I am at two minds about the cover - if it was announced with the book, recording it makes sense as it may help trace it to an artist later on and as it is part of the record after all. But other from that - I agree that we need to be careful not to confuse ARCs and unpublished books per se - although when a publication fails through often varies so there are ARCs out there for books that do not make it - that one being an example. Maybe all we need is to strengthen the language to specify that the exclusion is for books that end up being published - thus allowing the usecase we have here without a concern. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:06, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::::I agree that the pub record should stay because it falls under "announced but never published" and agree with Ron that the problem with it as it stands is that the pub note gives the impression that the record has been created for the proof, not the unpublished book. Ron's tweak to the pub note solves this problem.<br />
:::::Further notes and suggestions:<br />
:::::1) I agree that mentioning the proof in the pub note is a good idea. It is evidence that the book was announced.<br />
:::::2) I definitely think the cover image should be deleted. It should either be omitted or of the final cover. The latter assumes the publisher reached that stage and that we could find the image. All very unlikely. The cover image is more than just the artwork; it's also the colouring, wording, layout and typography and those aspects of the proof cover clearly wouldn't reflect the final version.<br />
:::::3) I would delete the OCLC/WorldCat External ID and just mention it in the pub note because it refers specifically to the uncorrected proof and not the unpublished final work.<br />
:::::4) I'm ambivalent about importing the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?950860 coverart record]. It's clear from the cover of the proof that Ron Walotsky was the intended artist so this falls under "announced but never published" but it would need a pub note explaining the source and why there's no image.<br />
:::::5) I'm broadly against making an exception for including ARC's / proofs when the book was unpublished although I do see Annie's point of view. But I think it's an unnecessary complication and veers back towards Ron's point about "encourage the addition of other proofs and ARC's especially by those editors who surmise rules by examples of what is already in the database" which is something I strongly agree we want to avoid. Also, if we do permit this exception, how do we implement it? Does it mean we would have two pub records: one for the unpublished work and one for the proof? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 07:46, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::I've gone ahead and change the notes as discussed above. I've also moved the Worldcat number and the cover into the notes so that it's clear the record is for the unpublished work and not for the proof. I'll reject the held edit. Let me know if someone disagrees with these changes. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:47, 12 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== N. Carroll ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?165703; The stories belong with the other Carroll but that ndp thing doesn't look right to me so maybe some other differing addition should replace it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:58, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Author attribution on the three stories, initially credited to Noël Carrol, has been corrected. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 07:57, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Thanks. I still think it's weird about that (ndp) because there's thousands of nom de plumes on ISFDB but this is the only one that has that added on the end of the name. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:28, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Well, we have some with (pseudonym) attached, and I'd think that'd be more meaningful (ndp isn't a colloquial abbreviation), or just a (I) attached. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:52, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::I don't think we should use any parentheticals if we can avoid it. Since we have the (I) thing we already use extensively, I think that would be the best option for any that are currently using "(pseudonym)" as a disambiguator. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:20, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::: There are reasons why I chose to set the author up as Noel Carroll (ndp). However, it's not worth our time to debate. I have changed it to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?373877 Noel Carroll]. Not sure that the standards imply that Roman numerals are the preferred dismbiguator. [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_separate_two_authors_with_the_same_name Here] is the applicable help section. Thanks for your interest, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:06, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Karen Simmons ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1117998; She's the wife of Dan Simmons, credited for author photograph in the HC which can be seen on eBay, [https://www.picclickimg.com/images/g/04sAAOSw1Mdltkv~/s-l1600.jpg], art is likely by one of the regular Headline cover artists, Chris Moore maybe, but I don't see a signature. So her credit should be removed. I noticed a 2nd printing of the Headline PB on Archive.org which has that same art (and price) but different blurbs on top and bottom so I'm going to enter that now. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:37, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:Hi! There's a primary verification by Faustus. It'd be meaningful if you contact him to shed some light on the actual credit. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:49, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Hi! There's no credit on the PB because there's no author photo like there is on the back of the HC. 2nd printing PB I just entered has no art credit. I'm sure someone here familiar with UK PB artists will identify it in some artist's book sooner or later but it's certainly not by Dan's wife. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:08, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Wesso ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5885644; Wiki says 1893. Anyone here who can find proof it's really 1894? I looked for a headstone but couldn't find one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:49, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Story about the Premiere of Rite of Spring ==<br />
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I'm looking for the short story (probably from 1970s) about recreating the experience of the premiere of The Rite of Spring by giving all of the audience members a new drug. I believe this was in one of the better short story annuals of the era.<br />
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Most of my book collection is in storage, alas, so I can't find this by leafing through my old pulp. {{Unsigned2|17:38, February 8, 2024| Martycohen36 }}<br />
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== Black Christmas ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?878255; While entering Wikipedia links for tons of novelizations I came across this rare 1976 one for the classic 1974 horror film. The original edition is apparently very rare because I've looked everywhere and can't find a copyright page that doesn't have the word FANGORIA on it because apparently Fangoria Magazine reprinted it in 2008 (although there is very little mention of this online). It does include the original info so I was able to enter the month (February, which is odd because you'd think it would be late in the year to capitalize on the holiday) but if anyone has a 1976 copy can you verify what it says on it? The film was Canadian and book says "Printed in Canada" so possibly it was only published there in which case the price will need a C added to it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:18, 9 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Riddle of the Exodus ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?185298; Not fiction, religious history book, https://openlibrary.org/works/OL8166080W/The_Riddle_of_the_Exodus?edition=key%3A/books/OL8566162M, probably should be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:30, 9 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Deleted. I question if the author of the religious book is the same author as of the BattleTech books. I couldn't find anything on the religious author's sites that connect him to the BattleTech books. I will ping the active verifier for the BattleTech book to see if there is an author blurb. If not (or it indicates it is a different author), I will remove the the current author info from {{A|James D. Long}}. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:31, 10 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Philfreund has confirmed the BattleTech book provides no biographical information on the author. I have removed the author info from {{A|James D. Long}} as it is more than likely a different person. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:28, 11 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Mutant Chronicles ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?250352; I replaced the cover; if anyone knows about the old one, whether it was an early one that was rejected or if it belongs to a different edition, a note about early art or a new record for the other edition if it exists would be good. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:09, 11 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Lieutenant Teasdale R.O.N. ==<br />
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I need to make several changes to the pub records for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3126730 Lieutenant Teasdale R.O.N.]. The tp edition has a sole PV by the late Biomassbob but he somehow missed showing that Paula Goodlett is the co-author of the work. Amazon also shows the pub date for that edition as 2023-12-07, not 2023-12-02 as currently shown in the pub record. The 12-07 date makes more sense since all of the other self-published books by Gorg Hoff and Paula Goodlett have the ebook edition published the day prior to the tp edition. Any objection to my making changes? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 12:21, 12 February 2024 (EST)<br />
: Mistakes happen :) Go ahead - make sure the notes clarify where the date is coming from. And while you are there, we do not use "Independently published" as a publisher - so can you also fix that (author names are used when there is no publisher). I will sort out the other 2 we have under that publisher later today. Thanks for finding this one! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:44, 12 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Done. I also corrected the title for the Interiorart maps record to match current standards. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:29, 12 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Locus1 Secondary Verifications ==<br />
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Occasionally I come across pubs that have been SVd to Locus1 solely on the basis of their mention as the first edition of a later publication. The first one I encountered, as a very rookie editor, was this one: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?197293 David Brin / Sundiver]. I asked the SVer, Rtrace, about it and received [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace/Archive15#David_Brin_.2F_Sundiver this explanation]. For the purposes of this thread I shall refer to these as "indirect listings".<br />
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The most recent one I have encountered is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?191929 David Gerrold / Chess with a Dragon] and it is this pub record that has prompted this thread because there is a clear contradiction between the SV to Locus1 and the pub note "Locus1 fails to list this pub (as of 2010-06-21)."<br />
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So my question is: should these indirect listings be allowed as SVs to Locus1? If I ruled the world I would not permit them because I don't think they conform to a general user's expectation of a Locus1 listing and they can cause confusion and inconsistencies as demonstrated by the Gerrold record. However, I do not feel strongly about this. I accept Ron's point that these indirect listings provide at least as much information as Clute/Nicholls and if the consensus is that they should be allowed then I can live quite happily with this.<br />
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However, if we do allow them then this Help page: [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Reference:Verification_Sources Reference:Verification_Sources] needs amendment. The matrix currently states that Locus1 provides "All" the information for fields such as Pages, Price and others but this is not true for the indirect listings. So either:<br />
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a) The relevant fields for Locus1 should be changed from "All" to "Some" (or maybe "Most").<br />
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b) A note should be added to the page explaining Locus1 indirect listings and clarifying that the values in the matrix for Locus1 only apply to full listings.<br />
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I prefer solution b).<br />
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Opinions please. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:38, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: An interesting point. So basically Locus1 has two types of records. One type covers editions published between 1984 and 2007 and includes publication details. The other type covers first editions (including editions published before 1984) and only lists their year and publisher. In an ideal world, we may want to create a separate Secondary Verification type for the latter and call it something like "Locus1-First Edition". Unfortunately, I am not sure it would be feasible since we have over [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/stats.cgi?2 50,000 Locus1 verifications] and separating them would be a very time-consuming project. If we decide not to do it, then I agree that we should update [[Reference:Verification_Sources]] to reflect the fact that not all Locus1-verified publication records can be expected to have publication level data.<br />
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: As far as cases like {{A|David Gerrold}}'s [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?191929 Chess with a Dragon] go, I would reword Notes. Instead of saying "Locus1 fails to list this pub (as of 2010-06-21)", I would say something like "Locus1 doesn't have a detailed record for this edition, but multiple records for reprint editions refer to it as the first edition." [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:48, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Yes, I realised when I started the thread that if we disallow the Locus1 indirect listings there could be a legacy issue of past records SVd to Locus1 that would be difficult to amend. This is often a problem when rules and standards are changed. So although in theory I would vote to disallow these cases, I accept it is not practical to do so. Consequently I am happy with leaving them as they are and updating [[Reference:Verification_Sources]] to reflect the fact that not all Locus1-verified publication records can be expected to have publication level data, which we both agree with.<br />
::I am working on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?191929 David Gerrold / Chess with a Dragon] and so will incorporate the change to the Locus1 pub note as you suggest. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:08, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Hearing no objection, I have clarified the "Locus1" row of [[Reference:Verification Sources]]. Thanks for identifying this issue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:12, 26 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Necronomicon in Sweden ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=d+bergho&type=Name; First name likely misspelled by PV (or magazine it appeared in) and essay is in second name's record with a much earlier date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:47, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Garland Library of SF ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?8067; I made a couple of edits adding archived link, LCCN and cover image to Past Master when I noticed that there is 1 book in the series with a UK price and 1 without any price. So if anyone can fill in the missing one and add US one (moving UK to notes) for the other then everything will be uniform. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:44, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Lou J. Berger ==<br />
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The author has requested we change his canonical name from [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?186596 Lou J. Berger] to "Lou J Berger" (no period after the "J"). See mod note [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5878281 here]. Any objections? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:32, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Checking Amazon.com's Look Inside, I see that the name was spelled "Lou J. Berger" in 2013-2014 and changed to "Lou J Berger" in 2015/2016. By now the majority of the stories use the "Lou J Berger" form of the name, so it should be our canonical name. We just need to make sure that we use the right form for the transitional (2015-2016) period. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:05, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: Author attributions were reviewed and corrected resulting in compliance with the author's request. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:16, 17 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Locus on Microfilm ==<br />
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I recently added links to the handful of random print issues of Locus that are on Archive.org, one a very early issue and the others more recent, but I just stumbled on a huge cache of microfilmed 1973-2015 issues uploaded by MicrofilmIssueGenerator so I added a link, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5893289. Not sure if this is known about already but if not I'm sure it will come in handy here for research. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:39, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Server maintenance 2024-02-18 at 11am EST ==<br />
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== Sword of the Samurai ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5894874; I have owned a copy since the 1980s and PV it here in 2022, copy uploaded to Archive.org last summer but not added until a few days ago, I think I got the right page count but if anyone disagrees feel free to tweak it a bit, you don't have to ask me. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:41, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:I see a note in the UK edition's record here says [236] so I think they counted the illustration between the first 19 pages and the start of the novel itself. Should that count? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:44, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::I would count it one way or the other, either as part of the introductory material (so, technically on [20]) or as part of the main material. A page number on that first page of main text would have been a useful guide.... I found an eBay listing of the Puffin edition that has some interior photographs. Not of the page in question, but the TOC and other leading material looks identical to what Archive.org shows for the edition you have. Extrapolating that to content that follows it suggests Reginald did count that illustration as part of the main material. Given the [236] there, what I will do is tweak your count to [236] and add a note about the illustration's appearance relative to the text on the surrounding pages. Just trying to save you an edit cycle; feel free to adjust it to be however you prefer -- I do not mean to insist on anything. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:07, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::Sounds good, thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:18, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Bibliographic impact of the 2023 Hugo Awards ==<br />
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The current pre-release cover of {{A|Samantha Mills}}'s debut novel [https://www.amazon.com/Wings-Upon-Her-Back-ebook/dp/B0CVS2RDH8 ''The Wings Upon Her Back''] says "Nebula and Hugo Award Winner". On 2024-02-17 Mills disavowed the award and announced that she would have "Hugo winner" removed from future editions of the book:<br />
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* [https://samtasticbooks.com/2024/02/17/rabbit-test-unwins-the-hugo/ “Rabbit Test” unwins the Hugo]: ... on Tuesday I’ll send a very awkward email to my agent and editor summarizing the situation ... and figure out the logistics of removing “Hugo winner” from the ebook and future printings. The first print run will be a limited edition novelty, I suppose? Jeez.<br />
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This may not be an isolated occurrence since, as Samantha Mills wrote (among other things):<br />
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* On February 14, a report written by Jason Sanford and Chris M. Barkley was simultaneously released on the [https://jasonsanford.substack.com/p/the-2023-hugo-awards-a-report-on Genre Grapevine] and [https://file770.com/the-2023-hugo-awards-a-report-on-censorship-and-exclusion/ File770]. ... we also got a look at [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rhCwKLMydCto6HvXvcqjR553DqrhTfBu/view the validation list itself], aka the tables of frontrunner nominees being vetted for the final ballot, and a horrible pattern emerged, especially in the fiction categories: there were a whole lot of Chinese nominees in frontrunner positions who just… vanished, and never made it onto the final ballot. There were so many, in fact, that if I am reading this document correctly: ''not a single fiction winner'' (short story, novelette, novella, novel, or series) would have even been a finalist if those nominees hadn’t been taken off.<br />
* There’s an indicator of why in the apology letter from the admin who leaked the emails and validation tables: “We were told there was collusion in a Chinese publication that had published a nominations list, a slate as it were, and so those ballots were identified and eliminated.”<br />
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From our perspective, this means that we will need to:<br />
* Update the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?78890 “Rabbit Test” Award record] to indicate that the author disavowed the award, similar to how [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?9534 this award record] explains that {{A|Judy-Lynn del Rey}}'s posthumous "Best Professional Editor" award was refused by her husband {{A|Lester del Rey}}.<br />
* Keep an eye on [https://www.amazon.com/Wings-Upon-Her-Back-ebook/dp/B0CVS2RDH8 ''The Wings Upon Her Back''] to make sure that the correct covers are used for the first and any subsequent editions of the novel.<br />
* Be on the lookout for possible other announcements of authors disavowing 2023 Hugo awards.<br />
* Occasionally check "Worldcon Intellectual Property" announcements. On January 30, 2024 they issued [https://www.wsfs.org/2024/01/31/announcements-from-worldcon-intellectual-property/ a statement] censuring multiple people "for actions of the Hugo Administration Committee of the Chengdu Worldcon" and said that "There may be other actions taken or to be taken that are not in this announcement." If and when they make additional statements about the Hugos awarded at the 2023 Worldcon, we may need to update our records.<br />
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[[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:55, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Earlier today {{A|Adrian Tchaikovsky}} disavowed his 2023 Hugo award for Best Series on [https://adriantchaikovsky.com/ his Web site]. The [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?78915 award record] has been updated. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:56, 21 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::These notes are exactly the correct action for us, I think. If we had notes for an award year, it would probably be desirable to add something for the 2023 Hugos. Although, getting a properly neutral description of the controversy free of personal biases (and I have many in this instance), would be tricky. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:57, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: One of the challenges that the 2023 Hugos present is that it's still a developing story. What we knew 10 days ago is very different from what we know today. Perhaps we'll learn more in the future.<br />
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::: For example, back in late January I came across a re-post/translation of a Chinese fan's comments about the Hugos. The post stated that the fan had been involved in the Hugo process (committee member?) and that he or she had a conflict with Chinese members of the Hugo committee with various accusations flying back and forth. At the time I had trouble parsing the post, in part due to lacking context and in part due to the quality of the translation. In retrospect it may have been related to the following email sent by Dave McCarthy on June 7, 2023 at 6:18pm (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_QqmsxQkACoYcxSx2LVqbxD39-DJI_gS/view), which says:<br />
:::* Tomorrow I have a 4 hour meeting with my chinese counterparts to look at ballot detail and determine if any ballots are to be voided<br />
::: Perhaps either this fan or other members of the 2023 Hugo committee may clarify matters at some point. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:33, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: It would especially be useful to note that the nomination totals and the EPH points appear to be completely unreliable, since those are noted in each nomination award record. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:57, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: One thing that comes to mind is that we could change the way opening sentences are phrased. Instead of the current "1674 valid ballots cast, 944 valid ballots cast in category" we could say something like "According to the [https://www.thehugoawards.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/2023-Hugo-Award-Stats-Final.pdf voting statistics] released [https://www.thehugoawards.org/2024/01/2023-nominating-and-final-ballot-statistics-published/?ref=astrolabe.aidanmoher.com on 2024-01-20], there were 1674 valid ballots cast, 944 valid ballots cast in category". It's not much, but it would at least clarify which version of the stats our records use. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:20, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::::I've added your suggested text to the records in the Best Novel category. In addition to the ballot count at the head, I've also added it to the nomination numbers at the foot. I think it's more important there as that is where there is evidence of shenanigans. In any case, let me know if it looks good and I can update the remaining records or we tweak it if desired. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:26, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::::: Everything looks good, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:40, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: I recall that award year notes has been suggested before and there may be a feature request, though I suspect that how the award tables are structured may make this difficult. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:57, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Yes, indeed. {{FR|1086}}, "Change the award year field to a drop-down list", says "Create a new record type for award years. We can call it something like "award year" or "award ceremony". Once we have it, we will be able to add notes to award years. Notes can be used to specify when the awards were announced, when and where they were given, eligibility rules changes, etc." Unfortunately, as you said, it would be fairly time-consuming to implement. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:12, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: In any case, I do have one suggestion for the del Rey award record. We currently have the explanation of the non-acceptance of the award noted in the title field of what should be an untitled award. Perhaps we didn't have award level notes at the point that award was added. I feel that the verbiage in the title should be moved to notes and replaced with "untitled". --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:57, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: I agree. It's exactly as you said -- award records didn't have a Notes field back then. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:12, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::::I've updated [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?9534 this] and expanded the comment as a note taking my queue from Judy-Lynn's [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judy-Lynn_del_Rey Wikipedia article]. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:26, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::: Thanks. I have hyper-linked Lester del Rey's name and clarified that he was Judy-Lynn's husband. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:40, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Kater-Bound ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?22308; On all of the web there seems to be only 1 mention of Borgo Press and Kater-Bound together, https://www.lawrenceperson.com/?p=22429, although it does get a handful of hits in a text search, https://archive.org/search?query=%22kater-bound%22+%22borgo%22&sin=TXT&sort=-addeddate. This Archive.org page, https://archive.org/search?query=compton+farewell+bliss&sort=-addeddate, shows 2 editions with one being Borgo but with price on front covered and Kater-Bound sticker on back. Could this be the mysterious Borgo HC mentioned in the book's record? Also, the note about artist is wrong because he's credited on copyright page and back cover, the latter of which can be seen in the cover image. TP PV doesn't respond much so I'm asking on this board. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:09, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:The Archive.org copy is a library book, and Kater-Craft does library bindings. I believe it is not uncommon to have a retail hardcover edition and a library-binding hardcover edition of the same book. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 17:44, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Believe it or not, I have library hardcover versions of Ace Doubles. All should be listed in my opinion. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 01:00, 20 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Miriam Allen de Ford ==<br />
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Per the ''Spaces in Names'' subsection of [[:Template:PublicationFields:Author]], Miriam Allen de Ford should be standardized as {{A|Miriam Allen deFord}}. However, we have a {{A|Miriam Allen de Ford}} alternate name which was recently edited so the notes copy the rules saying it should be standardized. Instead, I propose we merge the alternate name to the canonical name in accordance with the rules. As there are a number of verified pubs, I will point the verifiers to the this discussion, If there are any objections, then we should probably have a Rules and standards discussions. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:28, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:I guess it would be like calling somebody named MacIntosh being called Mac Intosh. Still, I'll go with the majority. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 00:58, 20 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::No objection to merging, but I think the actual spelling of the name should be made clear in the notes. [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] ([[User talk:Linguist|talk]]) 04:06, 20 February 2024 (EST).<br />
:::No objection, I had three pubs, two in Croatian language I already corrected, but I have also one in Serbian language. In Serbian language names are written as they are pronounced, in this case same as written. Should I change this one as well? This is publication in question: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2277217 {{unsigned|Debolestis}}<br />
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== Ruben De Anda ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1476655; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2552505; Can anyone find proof that these are the same artists? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:45, 20 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:I don't know. But [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?107431 The Galaxy Primes] (Ace 1976) appears also to be signed by R. De Anda. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] ([[User talk:Horzel|talk]]) 08:52, 23 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Probably is but since last name is mostly covered it's hard to tell. PV Willem H. noted that it may be Rafael M. De Soto but I doubt it because he has no original cover credits on ISFDB after 1964 and this book is from 1976. There's a copy on Archive.org which I've added a link to in a PENDING edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:44, 23 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Steve Miller: RIP ==<br />
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For those who may not have seen an announcement, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?214 Steve Miller], co-author of the Liaden Universe, et al., died on February 20, 2024 at his home in Maine. His wife, author [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?418 Sharon Lee], posted [https://korval.com/2024/02/21/steven-richard-miller-1950-2024/ this obituary]. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:41, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:I added photo from FantLab which is a little bigger and shows his face better than Fantastic Fiction's photo. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:42, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Last User Activity ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?895338; What does this mean exactly? There was a question of contacting this PV RedDragonBooks about something related to a mod note I made and checking their page the last answer they gave or contribution they made was in spring of 2022 but the activity at the bottom of the record linked above says a few days ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:03, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:There are two databases: The wiki and the bibliographic database. What you see for User Contributions on their user/talk page is just their Wiki edits. What you see for Last User Activity in the verifiers' list is the date of their last activity in the bibliographic side -- the Wiki software does not know about that, only about the Wiki. That user did some verifications on 2024-02-18 but hasn't posted anything to the wiki in the past couple of years. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:56, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: Just a quick note to clarify that the software that displays the Last User Activity date checks both the Wiki side and the database side. It then displays the latest date that it finds. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:36, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Ermengarde Fisk = Evelyn E. Smith? ==<br />
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One of my friends pointed me at [https://www.fanac.org/fanzines/Oopsla/Oopsla10.pdf#view=Fit issue #10 of the 'zine Oopsla], specifically page 13. The "SHORT STORIES" section says:<br />
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Third goes to another brand-new author, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?1254 Evelyn E. Smith] ... is better known to fandom as the pseudonymous authoress of the "New York Letter" column in Slant--yeah, that's right, she's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?266764 Ermengarde Fiske].<br />
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As I don't know what the accuracy of fan writing was like nearly two decades before I was born, I don't know how reliable this info might be. Any objections to varianting these author records? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 13:49, 23 February 2024 (EST)<br />
: We already have a pseudonym there: Evelyn Smythe (intentional corruption of Evelyn Smyth E.?) which I think is based exactly on the note you cited above. I am not sure if we have enough evidence to connect the two Evelyn E. Smith's though - while very very likely, the name is not very uncommon. Maybe add some notes to both accounts until we find a better proof that the two are one and the same? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:50, 23 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Never mind, I looked at the fanzine itself now - you actually missed the smoking gun while quoting - that award over there is for a story that belongs to Evelyn E. Smith (Tea Tray in the Sky) - so yes, they are the same person. Connect them away. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:54, 23 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::: This is now done. Had a bit of a headscratcher with Ermengarde Fiske having its own alternate names, but I think everything is now correct, with all the authors pointing at Evelyn E. Smith as the canonical, and all of the title records having parent titles with that author record. However I wouldn't say no if someone wants to double check that everything is now as it should be. Thanks! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 13:44, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== J. Watson ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?224483; What do you suggest is best to add to differ 1966 Thunderbirds artist from Leading Edge writer/artist? He's on Wikipedia so I'll add that link (as Jim Watson). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:48, 24 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: See [[Help:How_to_separate_two_authors_with_the_same_name]] for ideas. Looks like "James Watson (1960s)" would work here and might be more helpful than "(I)". The situation is quite similar to the Jame Cooper examples given in that bullet. In light of the disparity in volume between their bibliographies, I think you could treat the James Watson from the 1980s as "more prominent/widely known in the Spec-Fic world" and leave it with no embedded disambiguation. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:04, 25 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::OK, thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:30, 25 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Tem Title ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?67830; Archived link to recently uploaded Chrysalis 9 HC just added by me in a PENDING edit, PV doesn't respond much, PB has one or two active PV so if they can verify it's Hit-and-Run there, too, not Hit-and-Miss, title should be changed. I vaguely remember asking about this long ago after noticing title was different in Tem's online bibliography. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:32, 25 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Hole of the Pit ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive53#Uncanny_Banquet_and_Leisure; Exactly a year-and-a-half ago I asked about Uncanny Banquet and noted the rare novel contained in it; a copy of the Oleander Press edition including the novel with a short story and a poem was recently added to Archive.org so I've added a link in a PENDING edit. Still waiting for a copy of that anthology to show up somewhere...anywhere. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:55, 25 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Series sort order? ==<br />
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I was looking at a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?2278 page for a series] and couldn't figure out the basis for the order of the sub-series. First come the numbered sub-series, in numerical order. Then the 'loose' items in chronological order. Then come the unnumbered sub-series, which are neither alphabetical or chronological by any of their contained titles. Is there a particular order to them? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 09:04, 28 February 2024 (EST)</div>
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== Pages - help screens and templates ==<br />
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There are 5 screens of help and guidance for entering page values; [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages NewPub], [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:EditPub#Pages EditPub], [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:PublicationFields:Pages PublicationFields], [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:PubContentFields:Page PubContentFields], [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_determine_the_value_for_the_%22Pages%22_field_in_a_book How to determine the value for the "Pages" field in a book].<br />
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In the light of recent discussions I think it would be helpful if, at <i>the top of each screen,</i>, there could be four lines (one for each of the other four screens) which includes a link to same. At present, 3 of the screens have a link to the "How to..." page but it's right at the end. The "How to..." page has references and links to the PublicationFields template (twice) and the NewPub page. Admittedly 3 of the pages contain identical wording, but knowing of the existence of them <i>all</i>, whichever page one first lands on is what I'm addressing. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 17:21, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It might be good to combine all of the information from each of those pages and create one page that can be transcluded to all of those locations. That way, the information on all of them will be identical, and any changes to the one location for the information will be propagated to all of them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:58, 27 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I think that's an excellent idea Joe. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:45, 5 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Does inclusion in the Hugo Award Voter Packet count as a publication? ==<br />
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Apologies if this is an old topic, although I think this particular case might be a new spin on it.<br />
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There are (at least) 2 Chinese stories in the Hugo Voter Packet that have English translations provided. They are in PDF and/or EPUB formats. The original Chinese stories and their publications were added to the database when the Hugo finalists were announced, so these translations would be alternate titles to existing records. (Exception: some of them are stories for the Astounding Award for Best New Writer finalists, which I didn't add anything for at the time, because it seemed too hard/nebulous.)<br />
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At least one of those translations is scheduled to be an anthology due out later this year, and another I'm 99% certain will appear in Galaxy's Edge magazine at some point, so it's not as if (some of) these translations will never get recorded in the database. <br />
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After reading [[ISFDB:Policy#Included]], I'm still unsure as to their eligibility for inclusion here. Maybe they fall under ''"Convention programs, guides, etc. We definitely want any convention-published "real books", but probably not the ephemera."'', but as that note is marked as "Debatable", it's not exactly helpful...<br />
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Thanks. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:38, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:I had a [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive15#A confused record|discussion]] (beginning with the first response) with [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] last year about this. We were both leaning towards adding the Hugo packet as a publication. I had (and continue to have) other priorities that I'd rather work on. However, I would still support the Hugo packet as a single OMNIBUS publication published by the Worldcon for the year. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:03, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: If my understanding is correct, "Hugo Voter Packets" are sent to all World Science Fiction Society (WSFS) members -- see [https://www.thehugoawards.org/category/voter-packet/ https://www.thehugoawards.org/category/voter-packet/] and [https://en.chengduworldcon.com/help/1 en.chengduworldcon.com/help/1]. Anyone can become a WSFS member (and therefore a Hugo/Lodestar/Astounding voter) by paying $50 per year.<br />
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:: For most practical purposes this system is similar to book clubs, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_press_association APAs] and other organizations which limit circulation to their members. Since we include book club editions, fanzines, etc, it seems to make sense to include these "Hugo Voter Packets". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:55, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Just for the record - I still think it should be eligible as an e-book omnibus. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:32, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: Thanks all, I'll try to make a start on this year's some time soon.<br />
:::: One follow up question: for stuff like custom submissions that contain multiple stories or essays, I think it's better to group those as new OMNIBUS, COLLECTION, ANTHOLOGY or NONFICTION titles, which then get pulled into the OMNIBUS, rather than just have all the individual SHORTFICTION, ESSAY, etc imported directly into the OMNIBUS.<br />
:::: e.g. this year's Best Editor (Short Form) for Sheree Renee Thomas comprises 14 PDFs, which are an issue of F&SF, a full anthology, and 12 individual stories and essays extracted from F&SF and a couple of anthologies. Rather than import those directly into the "Hugo Voter Packet" OMNIBUS publication, I propose to have a "Sheree Renee Thomas Hugo Award 2023 Voter Packet Submission" OMNIBUS containing those, which is then imported into the top level OMNIBUS. This (IMHO) keeps things more consistent and tidy with for example, the Neil Clarke submission, which is a single PDF anthology of 13 stories and an essay. Objections/thoughts? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 17:29, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::I'll defer to the software experts, but I'm pretty sure that an OMNIBUS cannot contain another OMBNIBUS. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:45, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::: Not under the current rules, no... And I really would prefer not to change this -- we had a discussion around that when someone was adding the Baen disks - creating artificial containers that had never existed is going to look ordered on the surface but will be a pain for an end user - aka - in order to get the complete list for the packet, they will need to open multiple non-existing publications (as you will need a publication for these internal omnibuses if you want to import in them). So I'd just import all stories/articles/whatever into the single omnibus and use Notes to explain what is what (and use the numbering to keep the separate pieces next to each other). If the concern is where the award/nomination gets assigned - this is not different from when a set of books are nominated - just add it to each of the title records - for the example - she did not get nominated for an omnibus containing these works, she was nominated because of all the separate works... Although technically speaking, as it is a nomination for her and not the works, these should not get the nomination added to them anyway - but if there is something where that applies, the logic is the same. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:51, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::: Ah, no problem, I'll just chuck everything in the "top-level" omnibus.<br />
::::::: The thought of adding the award nomination to those hypothetical "fake" title records didn't actually occur to me ;-) I agree that awards to people rather than titles should be done as untitled awards. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:01, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::: If you look at the thread Ron linked above, I was wondering at the time between an overall omnibus and a series/pub series for the different pieces -- mainly due to the fact that parts of it are distributed separately. But it is a special case and a single omnibus makes more sense I think -- and makes it easier to see what is inside (plus as with all other omnibuses containing other containers (collections/anthologies), you will ultimately want to add ALL contents pieces in the top level anyway for visibility - aka for people who want to see where the story can be found - as we do not have "indirect" lists so having the fake middle ones will be mostly so you can have visual separation more than anything...). Plus if we ever change our mind, we can always create the smaller containers. Does not change the fact that we want all visible in the big omnibus anyway - which means importing all in it as well...<br />
:::::::: As for the awards note - yeah I realized it as soon as I typed it but then there may be other pieces in there for which that applies so I left it and added the last note). :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:21, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Interior art - do we use artwork captions in the titling? ==<br />
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That's one of the questions arising from this discussion about the artwork in [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Weir_-_Project_Hail_Mary Project Hail Mary]. Clarification of the rules would be much appreciated. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:34, 25 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:My opinion: The spirit of artwork record titling is that, except when published as a "standalone" piece of art, artwork is subordinate to the work or publication with which it is associated. Artwork record titles generally reflect that subordination. Here is what I think is de facto practice:<br />
:*COVERART titles should always be the same as that of the publication. (In fact, I think this is the one place we do not add disambiguation for the case of two different works of art by the same artist for different publications/editions with the same title.)<br />
:*INTERIORART titles in a publication of, or about, artwork should record the "natural" labeling used in the publication. If works are identified by title or caption, that text should be used. If works are identified by use case, then either the canonical title with " (use case)" appended or a descriptive title should be used. For example, if a plate in publication XYZ is publication ABC's cover, title XYZ's INTERIORART record "ABC (cover)". If a COVERART record for ABC's cover is present, XYZ's INTERIORART record should be made a variant of that.<br />
:*All other INTERIORART titles should usually be the same as that of the illustrated work, or of the containing publication if not illustrating a specific work. However, each of a publication's INTERIORART titles should be unique within the publication's contents. Where the use-the-publication-or-work's-title scheme would result in the publication's having multiple INTERIORART content records with the same title text, the titles should be disambiguated. Different disambiguation techniques are employed, depending on use case and information available.<br />
:**If the same artist is responsible for multiple works of art that are being recorded separately, the title text for each must be made unique.<br />
:***If the works have titles or captions, those may be used.<br />
:***If the works have different use cases, append " (use case)" to one or more of the otherwise ambiguous records. E.g. "ABC (map)".<br />
:***If no better differentiator is available, append " [number]" to each of the otherwise ambiguous records. E.g., "ABC [1]", "ABC [2]",...<br />
:**If different artists are responsible for different pieces of art, the normal titling scheme is followed, with each INTERIORART record having the same title text but different Artist credits. Note that "use case" disambiguation may also be employed in this case. E.g., "ABC (maps)" by artist 1 and "ABC (illustrations)" by artist 2. If differing artist credit alone is not sufficient to produce uniquely identifiable records, then one of the disambiguation schemes should be applied first to produce the title text, then the appropriate artist credit should be assigned. E.g., "ABC [1]" by artist 1, "ABC [2]" by artist 2, "ABC [3]" by artist 1.<br />
:As I said, that is my opinion. I would also note that ISFDB's view of artwork has changed over the years. We used to treat artwork as much more of an afterthought/second-class data citizen than we do today. So, for example, you will see disambiguated-by-number records entered long ago where today we would use some more readily identifiable form of disambiguation. Or older single publication-wide records where today we would tend to use multiple records to document each of the individual works. Some of the help text may not be fully in tune with the times. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:20, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::re "I think this is the one place we do not add disambiguation for the case of two different works of art by the same artist for different publications/editions with the same title": Cover art is not a special case. We only disambiguate artwork titles within the same publication, not across publications. I agree with you on the remainder. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:20, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: If I read Marty's reply correctly, what it boils down to is that for the art's title, the illustrated work's title is used with all the disambiguation cases etc, as explained above (and except for the bullet point 'If the works have titles or captions, those may be used [to make them unique]' - which I don't read in the current rules btw).<br />
::: My interpretation of the rules is exactly that, ie. the title of INTERIORART is the same as the title of the work it illustrates - even though there are several examples currently in the DB where the actual INTERIORART title or caption are used as title, instead of the title of the work the art illustrates. The issue that I'm having with the current rules is that they are not very clear in explaining what title to use, hence should be rewritten to make them unambiguous - because right now, the rules do not clarify what do to in case there's artwork that has a proper title of its own. - cfr. the discussion [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Weir_-_Project_Hail_Mary here]. I have two proposals to make the rules clearer:<br />
:::: * INTERIORART always get the title of the work it's illustrating. If the work does not illustrate any particular work, use the title of the publication the art appears in, or<br />
:::: * If INTERIORART has its own title or caption, use that title or caption. Else, use the publication's title instead<br />
:::: (+ the disambiguation cases laid out by Marty above, of course). Thoughts? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 12:03, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:As has been noted by others, if the interior art has a caption, use that for the title. Otherwise, it should be using the title of the work plus a disambiguator as noted above. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:15, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::: Yes, but that's not what the current rules say. Do we agree to amend the rules to make it clear that the caption should be used if there is one, and the title of the work in all other cases? (we may want to refine for artwork publications). Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 11:46, 29 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::It should be optional, not a requirement. Same as it is optional to enter individual titles or leave it as one record for the entire pub. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:25, 29 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::Works for me. Anyone else who'd like to chime in? I'll try to come up with an update for the rules text to clarify that INTERIORART gets the title of the work it illustrates, and if there's a caption, that caption can be used instead. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 05:10, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
(unindent) If "... INTERIORART gets the title of the work it illustrates" means the publication title, then I object. It would make my favored approach outside standards. The title record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?919662 Winds of the Forelands (maps)] covers all the maps used in a series. It clearly shows how the maps are credited, where they appear and is easily edited if additional volumes are published. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 07:44, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I agree with John. It's important to be able to use one record for the same illustrations (maps in particular) used in a series. Sometimes the illustrations don't have a caption or there are several possible captions. A grouping title can provide a container that clarifies the use of the illustrations without unnecessarily duplicating them. The approach being discussed doesn't seem to provide for the flexibility to use a grouping title. It also feels like the proposed approach could inflate the number of works attributed to a given artist. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:20, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::The rules currently state that artwork is only supposed to be titled per the title of the work (story or publication). The above is relaxing that rule to match how things generally are done. I'm fine adding an additional relaxation for "series" artwork as I agree combining maps makes sense. But if you are both objecting to any change, then you should realize your way of handling maps is not valid per the current rules. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:11, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: The current standard for Maps - "Maps. These are considered interior art for ISFDB purposes and are typed as INTERIORART. The format for titling maps is "<b>Title of Work (map)</b>", for example: Brightness Reef (map). Optionally, if a map is titled you can use the stated title of the map without appending the name of the work, for example The Land of Nehwon (map)." (emphasis added) I interpret work as inclusive (publication, series, or story). <br />
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:::Note the wording in [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk's]] proposal - "INTERIORART always get the title of the work it's illustrating. If the work does not illustrate any particular work, use the title of the <b>publication</b> the art appears in..." (emphasis added) The change from work to publication was the source of my objection. <br />
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:::If the original intent was for work to be synonymous with publication and story only, then I am indeed proposing a change. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:05, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::Concerning illustrations (eg maps) repeated in multiple volumes (of a series), under the current rules there is always the possibility to variant titles. That will effectively tie them together - under the current rules there's no need to 'invent' a common title for use across a series.<br />
::::Mind that I'm not saying that we can't change the rules, but the change John's (and Phil's) proposing requires more discussion before (if) we can accept the change and can update the rules accordingly. What do we do with INTERIORART that has<br />
::::* a caption, artwork identical, and that caption is identical across the volumes of the series --> this is an easy one; use the caption. Will need a rules change, but per the discussion above I'm fairly certain everyone's OK with adding 'if it has a caption, you have the option to use it'<br />
::::* a caption, artwork identical, but captions differ between volumes? --> since we'd make the use of the caption optional, we could decide to either use the series' title instead, or go the variant route, using the different caption titles (this latter would be my preference, as that's common practice for variant work titles anyway)<br />
::::* no caption, artwork identical, --> either use the title of the work it illustrates and variant per the other volumes, or, use the series title instead<br />
::::* combination of the above - might not be common, but can't be excluded either imo<br />
::::and then I've not even touched John's example: how to write down the conditions to cover this case where there's a grouping of different maps involved, which are not identical across volumes?<br />
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::::Note that using the series title has its own challenges: what with series titles that change over the years? Are we going to go back and update all INTERIORART titles that were based on the old, no longer applicable, series title? What with series titles that we've "invented"? Those that are not to be found on or in the publication? Is using these "invented" titles for INTERIORART a good idea?<br />
::::Lastly, we're now having two topics to discuss: "optional usage of caption", "usage of series title". What do you say, split the discussion in two sub-discussions? (splitting would allow us to update the rules to at least allow usage of captions...) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 05:44, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Splitting it seems reasonable. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 22:06, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Numbering of pages numbered in the ToC but not numbered themselves ==<br />
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Please go read [[User talk:Nihonjoe#1634: The Bavarian Crisis|this discussion]] for background. Please keep comments here, though, since this discussion will be referred to regarding any outcome. <br />
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Here's the summary: For pages prior to the main content, we generally use the numbering found on the pages themselves (this is the same for all other content, too). In some cases, those pages don't have any numbering on the pages themselves. For those, we generally include the number of those pages in square brackets prior to the main page count. For example: "[12]+374" for a book that has 12 unnumbered pages of recordable content (maps, introductions, etc.) prior to the main content. In the case linked above, the table of contents gives Roman numerals to that content, so I used that in the numbering ("[x]+690+[3]") and included a note to that effect in the notes for the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?207873 publication]: "Although no roman numerals are printed on any pages, the Contents page lists Maps beginning on page viii."<br />
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The question is whether using the Roman numerals is what should be done here (and in other such cases). On the [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Regular Titles|Help:Screen:NewPub]] page, it states "Caution: Do not use the table of contents to determine the page numbers of a publication's contents." My understanding of this is that it's meant to prevent us from using the table of contents page numbers when they disagree with the actual page numbers (basically, when the publisher forgets to update the table of contents when a change is made that affects the page numbers). <br />
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However, I don't think it should be applied in this case since it's the reverse of what I believe the intention of that rule is. In this case, the pages themselves don't have any page numbers on them. Rather, the only place the page numbers are given is in the table of contents. Because of this, there's no disagreement between the actual page numbers (since there aren't any) and the table of contents.<br />
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So, let's sort this out. Should we completely ignore page numbers in the table of contents in ''all cases''? Are there cases (like the one described above and at that link) where we should use the information found in the table of contents? Is there something else that should be done?<br />
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Thanks for your input on this discussion. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:02, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: If I am reading this correctly, you are thinking that where [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Regular Titles|Help:Screen:NewPub]] says:<br />
:* Caution: Do not use the table of contents to determine the page numbers of a publication's contents<br />
: it was actually originally meant to say something like:<br />
:* Caution: When a page number in the table of contents contradicts the page number in the body of the publication, use the page number in the body of the publication<br />
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:* Caution: If a Contents item doesn't have a page number within the body of the publication but has a page number in the table of contents, enter the latter in the Page Number field and put square brackets around the value<br />
: ? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:58, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I think the intent of it was the first one, as that's how I've always seen it applied in the past. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:00, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::The thread title misstates the fundamental problem. At question is the proper handling of unnumbered pages before page 1 which contain indexable content. Proper determination of the Pages field in the publication metadata is the source of contention. I maintain that this situation is addressed in bullet point 3, under Pages, [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages here]. [[User:Nihonjoe]] argues that Arabic numerals are not required and Roman numerals may be used instead. I see nothing in the help which allows this. The help specifically calls for Arabic numerals. The proper entry for the page field of each content title flows directly from the publication Pages field. <br />
:::If we decide that Roman numerals are appropriate, bullet points 2 and 3 will need to be completely rewritten. Of course I will support any consensus decision. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:06, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Sorry if it was confusing for you, but that wasn't my intent. Perhaps the title of this discussion isn't as clear as you would prefer, but the post itself is very clear. I was trying to be concise as really long section titles can be cumbersome. <br />
::::Regarding the rest of your comment, it really depends on the definition of "unnumbered" since I'm arguing that the ToC ''does'' number the pages since it has page numbers and the pages themselves do not. We need to determine if the ToC can ''absolutely never'' be used for any page numbers, or if (as I'm arguing in this case) it can be used for those page numbers when the ToC has them but the pages do not have them and the page numbers cannot be derived from surrounding pages that ''do'' have page numbers. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:51, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I think that using the numbers from the table of contents, with a note stating so, makes more sense in this case than inventing new numbers and discarding information printed in the book. I've always read this part of the help in the same way as you - it is there to define what to use when the actual book and the contents page disagree not to prohibit using the TOC when it is the only source.<br />
: With this being said, I can see the other side of the argument (for consistency sake if nothing else) - but my gut feeling is to go with what is printed in the book itself. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 20:08, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: (after edit conflict) I am in Annie's camp. I don't have strong feelings about this, other than I think from a database user's perspective, it would be somewhat strange to have content listed as on "[7]" when the TOC says it is on "v". My inclination is to adjust the "Caution" wording slightly to say that page numbers should be taken from the numbers printed on each content item's page, not from the TOC. Then in the "Pages without a printed page number" section add a bullet stating that if the page is given a number in the TOC, that number should be treated as if printed on the page, as long as not in conflict with numbering printed on other pages or with the number of physical pages in the publication. Something like that. That should be compatible with the other rules, page count determinations, etc. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 20:21, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::My only real problem with using a Roman numeral found only in the ToC is that if a reader were to pick up the book, look at the ToC, and try to go to that page, they couldn't find it using the page reference. No matter what, there definitely needs to be note describing the situation. More than anything, I would just like a well-stated, clear rule to apply. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 21:34, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::I definitely agree. Having a note in these cases is very important. Having a clear and concise guideline is as well. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:29, 19 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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(unintend) Let me clarify a couple of things. We are currently discussing ''Unnumbered pages within a range of unnumbered pages'' scenarios. Help currently says:<br />
* If a content starts on an unnumbered page within a range of unnumbered pages, its page number should first be derived and then entered in squared brackets. The page number can be derived by counting forward from the first page of the section of unnumbered pages. For example, if a content appears on the fifth page in a range of unnumbered pages, enter "[5]". <br />
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If I understand it correctly, the proposal under consideration would add a sub-rule after the second sentence, something like:<br />
* If the table of contents specifies the page number where the content starts AND that page number matches the number derived by counting forward, then use the numerals (i.e. Arabic or Roman) found in the table of contents. If the page number in the table of contents doesn't match the number derived by counting forward, then use the number derived and Arabic numerals.<br />
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The caveat after the capitalized "AND" above would be presumably needed to account for situations where the page number in the table of contents doesn't match the number derived by counting forward since we all know how bad tables of contents can be (my "favorite" example is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?28666 here].)<br />
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Am I reading this correctly? Also, will this affect ''Unnumbered pages within a range of numbered pages'' scenarios which are covered by a separate Help paragraph? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:12, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Very close to an edit conflict with Ahasuerus.<br />
:Ahasuerus: Your understanding of the discussion re: ''Unnumbered pages within a range of unnumbered pages'' is correct. The situation of ''Unnumbered pages within a range of numbered pages'' has not yet been considered.<br />
:What follows below is what I had prepared to say before Ahasuerus jumped in first. :-) [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:58, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::The ISFDb rules already have a method for assigning page numbers to unnumbered pages that are not derivable by counting forwards / backwards, namely, the use of Arabic numerals in square brackets. So we don't need to resort to a secondary source for the page number. The way Pages are denoted in the ISFDb is already horrendously complicated and if we adopt the use of Roman numeral page numbers from the ToC where no number is printed on the actual page then we introduce further complications and also open other cans of worms. Examples:<br />
::1) Should the Roman numeral be enclosed in square brackets? This is currently not supported in the ISFDb rules.<br />
::2) Suppose a map is on an unnumbered page that is derivable by counting backwards (page 4, say) but the ToC lists it on page iv? What do we do? [Ahasuerus' proposed sub-rule addresses this case]<br />
::3) Suppose there is an article on an unnumbered page that is not recordable in the Contents section but the ToC lists it with a Roman numeral page number? What do we do?<br />
::If we use page numbers from the ToC then all the consequences and implications need to be considered and documented.<br />
:: I am in favour of not using page numbers from the ToC where no number is printed on the actual page.<br />
::Whichever way this goes:<br />
::i) the Help notes need updating to clarify what to do<br />
::ii) a pub note definitely needs to be added to explain the discrepancy and the Help notes should state this. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:59, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::Here are a few questions using the publication which caused me to raise this issue, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?207873 The Bavarian Crisis]. Pages: '[x]+690+[3]'. L-O-C '690' pages<br />
:::* Is anyone else concerned that the Pages field will differ from all secondary sources? (L-O-C in the above example). When we use bracketed Arabic numerals it's an obvious ISFDB construct. <br />
:::* Looking at my copy, viii is the only Roman numeral in the TOC. I assume [x], brackets addressed by [[User:Teallach|Teallach]], is a count of the total pages before page 1. This differs from how we presently deal with Roman numerals. Should the Pages field be 'viii+690+[3] or would that be another explanation in the help section?<br />
:::* I repeat for emphasis [[User:Teallach|Teallach's]] point 3.<br />
:::* The Pages field will become impossible for a reviewer to confirm unless they own the publication or there is a scan available. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:12, 21 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Regarding each point:<br />
::::*Our page counts already often differ from those at many secondary sources. Whether the bracketed numerals are Arabic or Roman doesn't make our way of listing page numbers any less an "obvious ISFDB construct". There are a number of things we do here which can be confusing to people outside of ISFDB (the whole CHAPBOOK thing, for example). In this case, the only reason I put the Roman numerals in brackets was because the pages themselves are not numbered, and we'd do the same thing if they were completely unnumbered (meaning no mention of page numbers in the ToC or on the pages themselves).<br />
::::*The [x] is the total number of unnumbered valid content pages, derived from counting forward and backward from the one page number mentioned in the ToC for the pre-story content. Since the pages themselves didn't have any actual page numbers on them, but the page number for one of the pages was listed in the ToC, I used that. <br />
::::*I don't really understand what Teallach means by "Suppose there is an article on an unnumbered page that is not recordable in the Contents section but the ToC lists it with a Roman numeral page number? What do we do?" If the content is not recordable, then we don't include the content, regardless of whether it appears in the ToC or not, and regardless of whether it has page numbers or not. We do include the page numbers, however (for example, if there's an "Acknowledgements" or an "About the Author", and the pages were numbered, we'd include them in the page count but wouldn't record the content as a separate title. I would also include a note explaining the situation. <br />
::::*Unless a reviewer has a copy of the publication (whether physical or a PDF or scan of the publication in question), they wouldn't be able to confirm anything anyway. Maybe I'm misunderstanding this concern, but it seems like a non-concern from how I'm reading it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:24, 23 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::This pending edit, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5796089, relates to this discussion. Is the way I entered numbers the way it's been decided they're supposed to be done? Because it does mention "179" on contents page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:49, 24 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::Nihonjoe: here is an example to clarify my point 3).<br />
::::::The text of a novel starts on a page with a printed number of 1 and finishes on a page with a printed number of 999. There are ten unnumbered pages in the book before the start of the novel. A one page "About the Author" article appears on the fifth of these pages. The ToC lists the "About the Author" article and assigns it a page number of v.<br />
::::::Now, we don't record the "About the Author" article in the Contents section but what do we put in the publication Pages field? The possibilities seem to be 999 or v+999 or [v]+999 [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:54, 24 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::I'd do either v+999 or [v]+999 (depending on if we want to count the ToC assigning a page number as "numbered" or "unnumbered"), unless the "About the Author" is multiple pages, and then I'd extend the Roman numeral count accordingly. In your example, I'm assuming there is no other content, recordable or otherwise, outside of the "About the Author" section? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:39, 24 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::::I was not looking for a solution to the example. I just provided it to clarify my case 3 because you said you did not really understand it. At this stage of the proceedings I do not consider it appropriate to start working solutions to the three cases I raised, firstly because they will not be relevant if the consensus is that we do not use page numbers from the ToC where the pages are not numbered themselves and secondly because we risk losing focus on the main issue. The existing rules for Pages are already very complicated. If we do use page numbers from the ToC where the pages are not numbered themselves then all those cases I described (plus possibly others that I and other editors / moderators have not thought of or raised yet) will need to be discussed, agreed upon and have additional rules added to the Help Notes on Pages to deal with them. This will make the rules for Pages even more complicated. I am very much against doing this unless it is necessary because the more complicated the rules are, the easier it is for editors and moderators to make mistakes. In this situation, it is not necessary. In my opinion, it's not even desirable. If we decide to not use page numbers from the ToC where the pages are not numbered themselves then we just need to add one sentence to this effect to the Help Notes and we are done. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:41, 25 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::I don't think it's a major change either way. Printed page numbering directs how we record the page number and the count of pages in the block where the numbered page appears. For pages with no numbers, either we always count and always use Arabic numerals, or we allow pages to be considered numbered by proxy via the TOC first, before defaulting to the counting + Arabic numeral scheme. Use of the TOC, however, would need some kind of caveat to cover the case where a TOC is reprinted from a different format edition without adjustment and does not match the layout (similar to copyright page/printing statement handling). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 06:14, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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=== Other Missing Values on the Title Page ===<br />
It occurs to me that the "no page number on the title page" is related to other "missing values on the title page" scenarios.<br />
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What do we do if a story or an essay doesn't have a title printed on the title page, but the information appears elsewhere within the publication, e.g. in the table of contents? [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Regular_Titles]] says:<br />
* For short stories, essays and poems, when working from a primary source, always take the title from the heading on the page where the work begins. The title shown in/on the table of contents, running page headers, index, front cover of the publication, secondary bibliography, or a promotional website listing is secondary.<br />
However, what does "secondary" mean in this case? Does it mean that we can use "secondary" titles if no title is given on the title page? If so, then we should spell it out and also explain the hierarchy of "fallback scenarios", e.g. whether the version in the "running page header" should be used before the version in the table of contents.<br />
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Similarly, what do we do if a story or an essay has no author credit? In most cases we use "uncredited", but [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Regular_Titles]] allows an exception:<br />
* If an individual work doesn't have an author credit, which is common in single-author collections, use the form of the author's name stated on the publication's main title page.<br />
Essays whose authors sign their names at the end -- as opposed to on the title page -- are another de facto exception since we typically enter the signed names in the "Author(s)" field.<br />
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These scenarios are similar to "missing page number" scenarios in that they provide alternative values -- sometimes documented in Help and sometimes undocumented -- that editors use to populate "Title" and "Author(s)" fields. I am thinking that we should start by clarifying the current rules and bringing then up to date before we start changing the rules for page numbers. For authors, it could be something like:<br />
* For Content entries, the order of locations to take author names from is:<br />
*# The title page if author name(s) are present<br />
*# The last page of the content item if signed by the author(s)<br />
*# For single-author collections only, the publication's main title page<br />
*# If none of the locations listed above list author name(s), enter "uncredited"<br />
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For titles, we will also want to clarify where the pub's main title should come from if the pub has no title page, which is increasingly common with independently published books. I have been using what's printed on the cover, but we really need to spell out what the hierarchy should be.<br />
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Once we clearly document the current de facto standard for titles and authors, it should be easier to decide what to do with page numbers. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:00, 28 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Don't forget TOC :). Not to start down a rat hole, but I believe we also don't follow strict order once the preferred location fails to provide a value. E.g., if TOC used one name and last page used another, and one was canonical, we'd likely use that. Anyway, it also sounds like we need to distinguish the "secondary" that is from-the-pub-but-not-in-the-official-place from "secondary" that is from-somewhere-other-than-the-pub. Perhaps "fallback" for the former? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 22:12, 30 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: I have run [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=untitled&type=Fiction+Titles a few database searches] and it looks like we use the following values for works without a title:<br />
:::* "Untitled" -- note the capitalization -- e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1732839 this story] or [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1722146 this poem]<br />
:::* "untitled" -- all lowercase -- e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?270431 this story] or [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1337411 this poem]<br />
:::* "Untitled" or "untitled" followed by the first few words in the body of the work in parentheses, e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1566996 Untitled ("1.6: These texts are a book about the people and their Gods ...")] (SHORTFICTION) or [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2913627 untitled ("A gate in rubble")] (POEM)<br />
:::* "Untitled" or "untitled" followed by a short description of the work, e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1851523 "(Untitled Congratulations to Isaac Asimov)"]<br />
:::* The same as immediately above except disambiguated, e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1951605 "(untitled editorial) (ERB-dom, June 1973)"]<br />
:::* "[Untitled]" or "[untitled]", e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2846492 this story] or [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1081917 this poem]<br />
:::* "(Untitled)" or "(untitled"), e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1405437 this story] or [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1405439 this poem]<br />
:::* The same as immediately above except disambiguated, e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2034496 (untitled) (Twisted #4, Summer 1987)] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2034510 (untitled) (Twisted #4, Summer 1987) [2\]]<br />
::: So a lot of different scenarios, all of them revolving around the use of "untitled". I don't think we have this de facto standard documented anywhere, do we? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:34, 1 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: I believe for poems we also sometimes use the first line, or portion thereof, in quotes (without "untitled"). I believe I have done it, and I don't recall from where I got the practice. Of course, I believe lots of things.... --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:06, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Relating to the third item in the listing of the order of locations to take author names from: I think it would be meaningful to also add novels to this item (to use the publication's main title page), in case there are forewords, prefaces, notes worthy to add, all of which are unsigned but obviously written by the author(s) of the novel. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 05:34, 31 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Kindle Vella - In or Out? ==<br />
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We have two previous discussions I can find ([[ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive52#Kindle_Vella_ASINs|this one]] and [[ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive51#New_Amazon_service_-_Kindle_Vella|this one]]), neither of which seemed to come to any conclusion. Do we want to include them as ebooks, or do they not count as ebooks since they can only be viewed within the Kindle app or on an actual Kindle device? Would they be considered serials? They seem to be a bit outside the norm for what we accept here. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:19, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Note: I've placed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5764527 this submission] on hold pending the outcome of this discussion. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:27, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: The first [[ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive52#Kindle_Vella_ASINs|linked discussion]] petered out when we couldn't find a way to download Vella files. As I wrote at the time:<br />
::* With regular e-books that you purchase on Amazon, you go to "Manage Your Content and Devices", then "Digital Content", then "Books". When the desired book is displayed in the list, click "More Actions" on the right. In the pop-up list select "Download & transfer via USB" and click "Download". This will download the book as an azw3 file.<br />
::* When you follow the same steps for a Vella serial, you get to the last step, but the "Download" button is grayed out. Instead you get a "You do not have any compatible devices registered for this content. Buy a Kindle or get the free Kindle reading app." I haven't been able to find a way around it. Ahasuerus 16:49, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
:: You then responded with:<br />
::* That's probably due to Vella still being in beta. I haven't been able to figure out how to do it, either. I'll keep trying different ways. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 20:05, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Any luck since then? I haven't touched Vella, so I am out of the loop. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:28, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I haven't really tried since then. I don't like Vella myself. It's a pain to use and there's not enough there that interests me enough to make a concerted effort to try to figure it out. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small><br />
::::One of the books I recently added to the DB is also published on Kindle Vella. I tried in vain to find the the release dates for each chapter but gave it up as a wasted effort. If we can't get critical data like the publishing date, I'd say Out. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 22:02, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Yeah, Amazon has not made it easy to figure out anything regarding Vella works. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:04, 23 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::And I'd say Out as well, until the releases are collected into something which has identifying information and a release date. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:12, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Linking to third party Web pages -- defining "legally posted" ==<br />
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[https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Moondust This Community Portal discussion] got me thinking. [[Template:TitleFields:WebPage]] starts with:<br />
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* '''Web Page''' - A field for the URL of a Web page related to this title. Examples of related Web pages include '''legally posted''' versions of the title's text [emphasis added]<br />
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Our goal when originally crafting this Help template was to make sure that we wouldn't become a hub for links to unauthorized copies of texts still under copyright protection. The Help language seemed self-explanatory at the time, but how can our editors tell whether a "version of the title's text" has been "legally posted"? For example, the [http://www.luminist.org/archives/ main Luminist page] justifies the fact that they host copyrighted works without permission as follows:<br />
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: This collection may contain copyrighted material which has not been specifically authorized for our use. The copyright law of the United States (Title 17, United States Code) provides for making “fair use” copies of copyrighted materials under certain conditions, including that that the reproduction is not to be used commercially or “for any purpose other than private study, scholarship, or research.”<br />
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As I pointed out on the Community Portal, that's an odd interpretation of the copyright law:<br />
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: The part of the Copyright Law that they cite -- "for any purpose other than private study, scholarship, or research" -- doesn't come from the "fair use" clause ([https://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107 Section 107 of the Copyright Act].) Instead it comes from [https://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#108 Section 108, "Reproduction by libraries and archives"]. Section 108 is a lengthy section with a set of provisions that are completely different from the "fair use" provisions in Section 107. It's odd that the Luminist Web site cites Section 108 ("libraries and archives") language to support what they state is a Section 107 ("fair use") exception.<br />
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: I should add that both Section 107 and Section 108 lawsuits can get complex and technical as we saw during [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hachette_v._Internet_Archive Hachette v. Internet Archive] in 2020-2023. <br />
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This stuff can get confusing very quickly, so I think we need a set of unambiguous rules that editors and moderators could use when deciding whether to add/approve a link to a third party-hosted text.<br />
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In addition, the fact that we currently link both to the US-based Project Gutenberg and to [http://gutenberg.net.au/ Project Gutenberg Australia] -- which use different copyright rules and have different sets of texts available for download -- suggests that we interpret "legally posted" to mean "legally posted in the jurisdiction where the third party Web site is hosted". We may want to make it explicit in the template. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:49, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I agree that making it more clear in our documentation will be a good thing. I think we should generally avoid linking to full scans in cases where the item in question may not be in the public domain. This might mean removing some archive.org links as their track record of making sure things are in the public domain is questionable. On the other hand, they do act more like a library in that (generally) things that are not in the public domain can either be browsed on the site in a limited fashion or checked out for a specific amount of time for more lengthy review. Luminist does not do that. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:44, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::Or how about not taking any links down unless a specific individual asks ISFDB to do that? Archive.org links over the last 3 years that I've added, several thousand by now probably, are mostly still working when I happen across them later on to update info but occasionally I'll click a link and there will be that message about the upload being taken down; could be lots of reasons and probably they do get complaints now and then from Harlan Ellison types who think they own everything but most (living) authors don't care with many glad to see their works available to such a wide audience because in many cases publishers have no interest in reprinting their books. Many (most, probably) copies on Archive.org are ex-library and often not in the best condition with people clearly donating them instead of tossing them in the trash because they know how hard many of the books are to find these days and they want people to be able to read them. I recently did some more MZB Sword and Sorceress edits after doing a lot of them long ago and noticed that 3 links to volumes in that series I added back then had been taken down so I removed those links since all 3 had one other copy also linked; they all had the kind of URL where it's obvious that someone uploaded the books themselves, not the typical Archive URL for books they digitized, so maybe somebody asked them to take their copies down. The issues of copyright around Marion Zimmer Bradley's works are notorious and can easily be read about online; one wishes her trustees cared less about protecting/profiting off her works and more about her (and her husband's) history re: children but that's another story. So that's my suggestion - let the Internet Archive handle requests to take certain books down, which they are clearly willing to do if someone asks them, and let ISFDB stay out of it and remain solely a research site. If anyone comes across a record with a link that's no longer working, just remove it. If you allow users of this site to decide what should be taken down you're going to create a huge mess with people taking down links to authors they don't like or links added by editors they don't like and I don't think anyone wants that. I'd still like the Moondust edit to be un-rejected if that's possible but if not at least people now know where to go if they want to read it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:25, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Let's first try to determine if there are areas that we all agree on. I can think of two scenarios that unambiguously fall under the "legally posted" clause of [[Template:TitleFields:WebPage]]:<br />
:::* Links to texts that have been made available by the copyright holder. ("Copyright holder" is important because in certain cases it may not be the same as the author.)<br />
:::* Links to texts that are out of copyright in the jurisdiction where the linked site is located. (The qualifier is important since copyright laws are different in different countries.) We could also add links either to our Wiki pages or to third party Web page explaining how to determine whether a given text is out of copyright in common jurisdictions.<br />
::: This leaves us with texts that are still under copyright in the jurisdiction where the linked Web site resides, but the site owner claims some kind of exemption, whether it "fair use", "libraries and archives" or something else. The problem here is that it's hard to tell if the claimed exemption is (a) really in compliance with the relevant laws and (b) whether the site owner accurately represents the site's position on copyright.<br />
::: Apparently the legality of ''linking'' to illegally posted copyrighted material has been an area of active litigation both in the US, where "contributory copyright infringement" is illegal (but the details are complicated -- see [https://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/linking-copyrighted-materials this article for a high level overview]), and in Europe (see [https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=af0557cd-6f40-4509-bc8f-30538a14bf14 this discussion]).<br />
::: A recent example of how these things can go is Anna's Archive, i.e. annas-archive.org. When it appeared about a year ago, I poked around, found literally millions of copyrighted books and articles and immediately wondered whether it was legal. More digging discovered that they apparently had two lines of defense. First, they stated that:<br />
:::* We do not host any copyrighted materials here. We are a search engine, and as such only index metadata that is already publicly available. When downloading from these external sources, we would suggest to check the laws in your jurisdiction with respect to what is allowed. We are not responsible for content hosted by others.<br />
::: Second, they had a DMCA page which let copyright owners request that links be taken down.<br />
::: I wasn't sure whether it would be enough to make the site legal in most jurisdictions, but I am not an expert.<br />
::: Fast forward to January 2024 and we have [https://goodereader.com/blog/e-book-news/annas-archive-blocked-following-publishers-protest-over-piracy-accusations this 2024-01-08 report]:<br />
:::* On December 4, 2023, the Italian Publishers Association (AIE) filed a copyright complaint against Anna’s Archive. [snip] AIE’s complaint cites over 30 books, emphasizing that this is just a glimpse of the content distributed by Anna’s Archive to which its members hold rights. [snip]<br />
:::* With no counterclaims from the contacted parties and clear evidence of mass infringement, an order was issued to Italian ISPs to disable https://annas-archive.org through a DNS block within 48 hours. Visitors to the site are now met with a blocking page in Italian.<br />
::: Granted, we don't position ourselves as a "search engine for ''shadow libraries''" the way Anna's Archive does, so we are in a somewhat different position. However, if we end up with hundreds or thousands of links to Web pages whose legality we can't easily determine, we may find ourselves in a legally questionable situation. It may be safer to simply stay away from sites of that nature. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:13, 28 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: There is a very big difference between hosting content and linking to someone else's hosted content. It is unreasonable to expect our editors and moderators to be expert enough to evaluate sites' legal claims. I think our policy should be something like: "Only links to content legally posted in the host site's jurisdiction are permitted, but the ISFDB is not qualified to make legality assessments. If ISFDB becomes aware of legal action resulting in the suspension or prohibition of a site's display of certain content, links to that site's posting of the content will be removed until the matter is resolved, or permanently, according to the circumstances." And then provide a mechanism to notify the ISFDB of host site legal issues/legal challenges to a site's posting(s). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 06:51, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::::There are currently a large number of edits in the queue adding links. Should these be held/skipped pending the results of this discussion? --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:36, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::::: It looks like the consensus is that archive.org links are OK to add. By default, archive.org only lets you access copyrighted books' metadata, cover images and the first few pages of the text, which is similar to what Amazon's Look Inside does. You have to join their [https://help.archive.org/help/borrowing-from-the-lending-library/ "Lending Library" program] in order to be able to "check out" books. The legality of the LL program is currently [https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/11/23868870/internet-archive-hachette-open-library-copyright-lawsuit-appeal under review by the courts] and the last brief that I know of was [https://www.eff.org/cases/hachette-v-internet-archive filed on 2023-12-15]. As long as archive.org remains a legitimate organization and complies with relevant court orders, linking to its Web pages shouldn't be an issue for us. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:15, 3 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::::One other thing we could do is maintain a list of sites to which ISFDB has chosen to prohibit any content links (sort of a complement to the deep-linking-permitted list) due to concerns with the site's general compliance with applicable copyright laws. That should be clear for everyone, and the software could help enforce it. ISFDB is under no obligation to permit links, so legal precision is not necessary. There could be some transparent process for managing entries on the list (e.g., an R&S discussion with a definitive conclusion required). We could have some general guidelines for what does or does not merit being on the list. For example, we might decide that sites engaged in good-faith copyright protection and infringement dispute resolution -- e.g., such as Google Books, Internet Archive, and Project Gutenberg -- are not candidates despite any specific infringement complaints, while sites subject to multiple complaints and not obviously engaged in protection management and infringement dispute resolution -- e.g., such as the Anna's Archive example above -- are candidates. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:09, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::::I agree. Anna's Archive (and the once-popular site Ocean of PDF and all the others, many probably run by the same people under different names) pretends to be aboveboard but they're really just a dumping ground for pirated e-books and their download page is a list of shady sites, users being encouraged to become members if they want faster downloads, including the infamous LibGen that encourage bulk torrent downloads that are certainly not being used just for some light reading. Any site that has individual pages for each work, Archive.org, Luminist, Galactic Journey, etc. should be acceptable. Any site which mentions bulk or torrent or anything similar is a no-no. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:27, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::::Speaking of which, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_webpage&O_2=contains&TERM_2=oceanofpdf&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication], I did a search for webpages with oceanofpdf and those 2 links were added by Zapp in 2023. I think they should be removed and, if you do decide to make a blacklist, Ocean of PDF should be on it, not only because of pirating but because it's virus city and you don't want anyone clicking on a link and screwing up their computer. There's no viruses on Archive.org or any of the other legit sites mentioned above. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:35, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::::: The topic is expressly the Web Page field, but does all of this apply to recording the site or document in a Note field? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 15:40, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::::::::: I don't think different displayed fields -- Notes, Web Pages, etc -- should be treated differently for the purposes of this discussion if they link to the same third party Web sites. Notes are somewhat harder to control in the software, but that's a technical issue as opposed to a legal/policy one. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:16, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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=== A blacklist/whitelist-based solution ===<br />
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After mulling it over, I think a "blacklist"-based solution would be viable or at least a good first step. It would require three components:<br />
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* A couple of new Bureaucrat menu options to add, edit and delete blacklisted domain names like annas-archive.org, oceanofpdf.com, etc<br />
* A new yellow warning to be displayed when a submission tries to link to one of the blacklisted sites<br />
* A new nightly cleanup report to find links to blacklisted sites, which will automatically flag records once a domain is added to the blacklist<br />
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A similar whitelist of "known legitimate sites" like Project Gutenberg, Google Books, archive.org, etc would also be useful. If we implement it, we should be able to create another yellow warnings for links to domains that are not on the whitelist and may require additional digging.<br />
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Re: viruses, you are much more likely to run into them when accessing well-known illegitimate Web domains, but, unfortunately, there are no guarantees on the internet. When authors (or other people/organizations) stop paying for domain names, they become up for grabs. At that point it's anyone's guess whether they may end up in the hands of spammers, criminals, etc. Swapping this information with SFE and deleting bad links is part of what I do in the background. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:30, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:I like the idea of creating a blacklist and a whitelist. I think both should require some sort of documentation supporting the addition to either list, even if that documentation is only visible to bureaucrats or admins (so that they have some sort of reference as to why a specific domain was added to one or the other). It may be good to have a "last reviewed" field, too, so we can somehow indicate when a site's inclusion on one or the other list was last reviewed (since, as you said, domain names can be picked up by someone else if the original/most recent owner chooses to not renew the domain). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:49, 30 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: I can see how a "Note" field would be a useful addition to the proposed table of blacklisted sites. Its contents could be made available to moderators reviewing the proposed cleanup report. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:39, 30 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Hearing no objection, I have created {{FR|1590}}, "Create a blacklist of disallowed third party domain names". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:38, 4 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Clarifying editor data entry rules in Help ==<br />
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Earlier today an ISFDB editor pointed out that [[Help:Screen:NewPub]] does not explicitly tell you what to put in the "Author" field for MAGAZINE publications. [[Template:PublicationFields:Author]], which is transcluded in [[Help:Screen:NewPub]], says: <br />
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* If it is an ANTHOLOGY, multi-author OMNIBUS, or multi-author work of NONFICTION, credit the editor as the "author" of the publication.<br />
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but doesn't mention MAGAZINEs or FANZINEs. I am thinking that we should add something like:<br />
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* For MAGAZINEs and FANZINEs, credit the issue editor as the "author" of the publication. Note that for non-genre MAGAZINEs/FANZINEs, "Editors of PERIODICAL NAME" may be used instead of some or all editor names if they are unknown or unclear or not of genre interest -- see [[Help:Entering non-genre periodicals]] for details.<br />
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How does it sound? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:10, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:Sounds right to me. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 15:39, 4 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Sounds good. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:39, 5 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::: Yes, it does fill out a very minor hole in the rules, but it will actually be helpful in some cases. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 05:59, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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=== Clarifying editor data entry rules in Help ===<br />
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[[Template:PublicationFields:Author]] has been updated with the proposed language. Thanks, folks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:49, 9 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Currency codes ==<br />
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Recently I uploaded records for an Estonian book from the Soviet Union, which cost SUR 1.40. Soviet rubles SUR were in use from 1961–1991, Russian rubles RUR were in use from 1992-1997, and now the new Russian Ruble RUB is in use since RUR was devalued to RUB at a rate of 1000 to 1.<br />
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Similarly I uploaded a Bulgarian book whose cover price said "2 лв" meaning 2 levs. But there is no single Bulgarian currency. BGJ was used 1881-1952, BGK from 1952–1962, BGL from 1962-1999, and BGN is used now since 1991.<br />
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The thing is, a currency is NOT a currency just because it has the same name. The US, Canadian, and Australian dollars are not all just dollars just because they use the word "dollar" or the dollar sign "$". Estonia na SUR, then EEK, now EUR. In that case, the names changed too (ruble > kroon > euro). In Bulgaria the word "lev" applies to BGJ and BGK and BGL and BGN, but despite the name they ''aren't'' the same currency and if our database doesn't have the correct currency for a publication then the currency field is essentially worthless apart from USD and CAD and so on. <br />
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ISFDB isn't a pricing database, but its information really must be accurate. See [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_4217 ISO 4217] for currency codes.<br />
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I cannot find an actual link to an actual list of Rules and Standard, but I entered BGL when I uploaded the book and one of the admins changed it to BGN, which is simply not correct. If Bulgaria were to give up the lev and take up the euro, would we change all the BGNs to EUR? No; so we should not change BGL to BGN. [[User:Evertype|Evertype]] ([[User talk:Evertype|talk]]) 11:19, 9 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Do you have a link to the publication that was changed? Also, you can find a list of currently-supported currencies at [[Help:List of currency symbols]]. Yopu're welcome to propose additions to the list, too, if there are some we should have but which aren't on that list. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:39, 9 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?988614 Here is it]. And the change and explanation about why was shared on the Editor's page together with the links to the help page. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:45, 9 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: This topic has come up a number of times. The longest Rules and Standards discussions were in [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive11#Currency_information_in_prices.2C_reprise July 2013] and [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive15#Prices_and_weird_currencies_-_reading_verification_needed... June-July 2017]. Here is what I wrote about the challenges associated with using ISO codes instead of currency symbols in 2017:<br />
:::* ... the ISO standard assigns a new code when a currency is revalued, so the code for the Mexican peso changed from "MXP" to "MXN" when the peso was replaced with the "new peso" ("nuevo peso") in 1993. In 1997 the word "nuevo" was dropped, so it's now back to just "peso". However, the ISO code has remained "MXN". If we were to use ISO codes, what should an editor do when entering an undated Mexican books whose price is listed as "100 peso"? Depending on whether it was published prior to 1993 or after 1996, the correct ISO code should be either MXP or MXN, something that most of us couldn't determine without a fair amount of digging.<br />
:::* To go back to the Russian example, the ISO code for the Soviet ruble was "SUR". When the USSR was dissolved at the end of 1991, the code was retired. It was replaced with "RUR" (later "RUB" as per the discussion above) for the Russian ruble and "BYB" for the Belarusian ruble. The latter was replaced with "BYR" in 2000 and then with "BYN" in 2016.<br />
::: For a bibliographic database like ISFDB to keep track of these changes over many decades and even centuries would be very time-consuming and not the best way to spend editor time.<br />
::: One possible "low-hanging fruit" enhancement would be to update the mouse-over bubbles that we display for prices. They currently say things like "Lev: Bulgarian lev". We could update them to say things like "Lev: Bulgarian lev. ISO codes: BGJ in 1881-1952, BGK in 1952–1962, BGL in 1962-1999, BGN since 1991". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:40, 9 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Appendices ==<br />
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The other day [[User:Elysdir]] added the following paragraph to [[Template:TitleFields:Title]]:<br />
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* ''Appendices''. If the page where the work begins includes a phrase like "Appendix A", then include that phrase in the work's title. For example: "Appendix B: Ashima Slade and the Harbin-Y Lectures: Some Informal Remarks Toward the Modular Calculus, Part Two".<br />
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I am moving the proposed language to the Rules and Standards page to see what other editors think of it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:02, 10 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks for moving this here! I should note that before I made that change, I did a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=Appendix&type=All+Titles title search on “Appendix”] and found that a large majority of the appendix titles in ISFDB (in cases where there’s more than one appendix) use the format that I mentioned. (The advanced-search version of that search shows all 900+ titles.) There are only three titles in those search results that use the format “(Appendix A) Title”, and hundreds that use the format “Appendix A: Title” (or “Appendix 1: Title” or “Appendix I: Title” or “Appendix One: Title” or etc). So my writeup was an attempt to document what I was (incorrectly) assuming was an existing policy, rather than an attempt to make new policy. —[[User:Elysdir|Elysdir]] ([[User talk:Elysdir|talk]]) 14:46, 10 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::I prefer the use of a colon as it is better at indicating the wording is part of the title. When I see parentheses, my brain interprets it as something not part of the title but used to clarify or disambiguate. So, I support this proposed wording. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:06, 12 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::: Yeah, I prefer using : as well - and we do use that for subtitles elsewhere so it also makes sense. And Appendices with no other title should be followed by the title of the work in brackets (we may as well throw that to complete the rule although it derives from the standard naming of essays). So "Appendix B: The making of a world" if the title is there and "Appendix B (Book title) if it just say "Appendix B". That will also make it easier to determine when there was a printed title. The corner case is when the title is printed in brackets on the page itself (which the Appendix B part is not... not sure if we want a : there or to ignore the brackets or what we want to do. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:50, 12 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::: Just to make sure we are on the same page: when you wrote "brackets", did you mean "[]" (aka "square brackets") or "()" (aka "parentheses")? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:52, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::: Sigh. Parentheses - I meant parentheses :) I usually use square brackets for [] to make sure it is clear which ones I mean and I do not always remember that () have their own word. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:55, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) A couple of questions/clarifications.<br />
* The proposed language is ''a phrase like "Appendix A"''. Would this be limited to the word "Appendix" or would it also cover alternative terms like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=title_title&O_1=starts_with&TERM_1=Addendum&C=AND&USE_2=title_ttype&O_2=exact&TERM_2=ESSAY&USE_3=title_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=title_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=title_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=title_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=title_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=title_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=title_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=title_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=title_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Title "Addendum] or [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=title_title&O_1=starts_with&TERM_1=appendices&C=AND&USE_2=title_ttype&O_2=exact&TERM_2=ESSAY&USE_3=title_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=title_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=title_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=title_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=title_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=title_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=title_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=title_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=title_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Title Appendices]? Some currently use parentheses, some use colons and some say things like "Addendum to Whirligig World". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:15, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Others may well have better answers, but I thought I might as well comment here: although I didn’t say this in my proposed language, I was focused specifically on the case where the appendices have individual subtitles as well as the general title of “Appendix A”. (So my language should be updated to say that; see below.) I was assuming that when a title consists entirely of a standard book-section name, it should follow the disambiguation rule at the end of that page, in the “"Standard" titles” paragraph: “you should parenthetically append the container title (title of the novel, collection, anthology, etc) to the title of the essay, i.e. "<generic essay title> (<container title>)" in order to create a unique title”. So for cases where there’s an addendum that’s just titled “Addendum”, I would use the format “Addendum (<container title>)”, which is also what the majority of those existing cases that you linked to already use. In the rare case where addenda also have their own individual subtitles, I would use the colon format, as demonstrated by the existing item “Addendum 1: Description of Maps”. And I would expect that the title “Appendices” by itself would also be covered by the “"Standard" titles” rule: “Appendices (A Magic of Twilight)”.<br />
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:: So maybe another way to approach this appendix-title guidance would be to reframe it as a sub-guideline of the “"Standard" titles” guidance. At the end of the page, after the “"Standard" titles” paragraph, we could say something like this (phrasing could use some further polishing):<br />
:: <br />
:: ''Standard titles with specific subtitles''. If the title consists entirely of a standard title, then use the standard titles guidance above. (Examples: “Appendices (A Magic of Twilight)”; “Appendix B (A Galaxy Unknown)”; “Introduction (50 in 50)”.) But if the title starts with a label for a standard section of a book (such as “Appendix” or “Addendum”) and then is followed by an individual subtitle for that specific section, then put a colon between the book-section name and the individual title. (Examples: “Appendix: Chronology of Technic Civilization”; “Appendix B: Closures and Openings”; “Introduction: 37 Divided by 3”.)<br />
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:: …Note that that framing does introduce a difference from how some existing ISFDB titles currently do things: it removes the quotation marks around the individual subtitle. —[[User:Elysdir|Elysdir]] ([[User talk:Elysdir|talk]]) 20:39, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Perhaps I am not grasping some subtleties, but wouldn't the proposed approach be the same as what the ''Subtitles'' section of [[Template:TitleFields:Title]] currently says:<br />
:::* If the title has a subtitle, enter it, with a colon and a space used to separate the title from the subtitle. For example, the 1986 edition of George MacDonald's "Lilith" has "Lilith" on the title page, and below that, in a smaller font, "A Romance". This should be entered as "Lilith: A Romance".<br />
::: ? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:47, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: I think it’s essentially the same guidance, yes, but applied in a different case. The subtitles guidance reads to me as being about the title and subtitle of a book, as opposed to a section. If instead of adding a new section, you would prefer to clarify the ''Subtitles'' section to say that it also applies to things like an appendix or an addendum, that would be fine with me. …My goal in all of this is to clarify to editors how they should format the titles and subtitles of appendices; I’m fine with any approach y’all want to take. (…And I apologize if I’m overstepping by participating in this discussion at all—if I should step back and just leave it to you folks to decide, let me know.) —[[User:Elysdir|Elysdir]] ([[User talk:Elysdir|talk]]) 15:47, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::: Oh, no, everyone is welcome to contribute to Rules and Standards discussions! Sometimes an outside perspective reveals that Help is unclear or that it doesn't account for a certain category of cases.<br />
::::: The current discussion is a good example. The first three paragraphs of [[Template:TitleFields:Title]], as currently written, are in the following order:<br />
:::::* Novels<br />
:::::* Subtitles<br />
:::::* Short fiction, essays and poems<br />
::::: The way they are ordered, it's possible to assume that the "Subtitles" paragraph only applies to novels, especially since the next 2 paragraphs (SERIALs and excerpts) have special rules for subtitles and disambiguators. However, I believe the intent was to apply the "Subtitles" rule to all other title types (that do not have explicitly stated exceptions) as well.<br />
::::: If my understanding is correct, then we may be able to eliminate this ambiguity by moving the "Subtitles" paragraph below the "Short fiction, essays and poems" paragraph. We should probably also move "Omnibuses, nonfiction, anthologies and collections", which is currently the 6th paragraph in this template, right below the "Novels" paragraph. That way the order would be:<br />
:::::* Novels<br />
:::::* Omnibuses, nonfiction, anthologies and collections<br />
:::::* Short fiction, essays and poems<br />
:::::* Subtitles<br />
:::::* SERIALs<br />
:::::* Excerpts<br />
:::::* Artwork<br />
:::::* Etc<br />
::::: The 4 paragraphs preceding the "Subtitles" paragraph would all use the same subtitle rule while the paragraphs following the "Subtitles" paragraphs would have special rules. We could also make it explicit in the language of the "Subtitles" paragraph. Would this work from your perspective? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:07, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::I like this idea. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:35, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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* Some languages -- notably French -- use a space between a word and a trailing colon. We generally follow language-specific rules for non-English titles, so is it safe to assume that we would be using " :" as opposed to ":" for French titles? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:15, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Huh, interesting, I didn’t know that about French. Given that difference, I would expect that yes, we would use " : " instead of ": " in French titles. —[[User:Elysdir|Elysdir]] ([[User talk:Elysdir|talk]]) 20:39, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Secondary source artist credit in face of credit change over time ==<br />
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For full background, see [[User_talk:MartyD#Dixie_Ray]]. Different editions of a Ballantine ''Fahrenheit 451'' use the same cover art but credit the artist differently. This is what we know:<br />
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{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+<br />
|-<br />
! ISBN !! Printing !! Date !! Artist credit<br />
|-<br />
| 0-345-25027-3[-150] || 40th || 1975-12-00 || no credit at all<br />
|-<br />
| 0-345-25027-3[-150] || 43rd || 1976-08-00 || <font color="red">Whistlin' Dixie</font><br />
|-<br />
| 0-345-27431-8 || 44th || 1977-08-00 || <font color="red">Whistlin' Dixie</font><br />
|-<br />
| 0-345-27431-8 || 45th || 1977-11-00 || <font color="blue">Whistl'n Dixie</font><br />
|-<br />
| 0-345-27431-8 || 46th || 1978-08-00 || <font color="blue">Whistl'n Dixie</font><br />
|}<br />
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The later "Whistl'n" is canonical. The rules do not permit us to assign "uncredited" to the 40th's cover, but they do permit us to assign an identity using the later editions' credits as a secondary source. Which later edition's credit should we use here, the non-canonical "Whistlin'" or the canonical "Whistl'n"? Likely the 41st and 42nd printings will have either no credit or "Whistlin'". I'd really like to use "uncredited" to give a complete picture of the credit's evolution. It would be a little odd to have one or more earlier editions have the canonical credit, then have some later ones with a non-canonical credit, then even later ones "revert" to canonical (when in fact they progressed to canonical). For now I have gone with canonical, but I thought I'd raise the question to see if we should standardize on something else for this scenario.<br />
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Two further hypotheticals to consider: Suppose we only had the 40th (uncredited) and then entered the 43rd ("Whistlin'") and so went back and adjusted the 40th to use that. Now the 45th ("Whistl'n") gets entered, and its credit is determined to be the canonical form. What would we want done with the 40th's (now) non-canonical credit at that point? Likewise, suppose we had the 40th, then entered the 45th ("Whistl'n") and went back and adjusted the 40th to use that. Now the 43rd gets entered. What would we want done with the 40th's credit at that point? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:12, 17 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Re: "I'd really like to use "uncredited" to give a complete picture of the credit's evolution."<br />
: As per [[Template:PublicationFields:CoverArt]] here is how I think we currently credit cover artists depending on what is in the publication:<br />
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{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+<br />
|-<br />
! What is stated in the pub || What we enter in the "Artist" field<br />
|-<br />
| Canonical name || Canonical name<br />
|-<br />
| Alternate name || Alternate name (VT created)<br />
|-<br />
| Initials || Canonical name if known<br />
|-<br />
| Artist-specific symbol (sometimes a stylized version of the artist's initials) || Canonical name if known<br />
|-<br />
| Signature, often illegible || Canonical name if known<br />
|-<br />
| No explicit credit, but the artist's style is recognizable || The "Artist" field is left blank; Notes updated with the name of the artist and reason for attribution<br />
|-<br />
| No explicit credit, but a secondary source credits the artist || Canonical name; Notes updated with the source<br />
|-<br />
| No explicit credit, but the credit is implied, e.g. a small illustration may be reproduced as a credited INTERIORART work || Can be arguably considered a "secondary bibliographic source" for our purposes and treated as such, i.e. enter the canonical name in the "Artist" field and update Notes with the source<br />
|}<br />
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: This is a tricky decision tree diagram, which, admittedly, makes it hard to "give a complete picture of the credit's evolution". I think the underlying issue here is that it would be difficult to enter artist credits the way we enter author credits, i.e. "as stated in the pub". The main reason is that signatures, symbols and barely legible stylized initials are not something that can be easily captured as text.<br />
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: That being said, I think it would be beneficial to restructure [[Template:PublicationFields:CoverArt]] as a series of bullets to make it easier for new editors to parse. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:33, 19 February 2024 (EST)</div>
Holmesd
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:BFRTHRHNGC0000.jpg&diff=679206
File:BFRTHRHNGC0000.jpg
2024-02-06T03:49:58Z
<p>Holmesd: {{CID1
|Title=Before They Are Hanged
|Edition=Gollancz / Orion Unknown year tp
|Pub=BFRTHRHNGC0000
|Publisher=Gollancz / Orion
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Holmesd}}</p>
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=Before They Are Hanged<br />
|Edition=Gollancz / Orion Unknown year tp<br />
|Pub=BFRTHRHNGC0000<br />
|Publisher=Gollancz / Orion<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Holmesd]]}}</div>
Holmesd
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:CLTRLBRKSZ2005.jpg&diff=679205
File:CLTRLBRKSZ2005.jpg
2024-02-06T03:42:20Z
<p>Holmesd: {{CID1
|Title=Cultural Breaks
|Edition=Tachyon Publications 2005 hc
|Pub=CLTRLBRKSZ2005
|Publisher=Tachyon Publications
|Artist=John Picacio
|ArtistId=23139
|Source=Scanned by User:Holmesd}}</p>
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=Cultural Breaks<br />
|Edition=Tachyon Publications 2005 hc<br />
|Pub=CLTRLBRKSZ2005<br />
|Publisher=Tachyon Publications<br />
|Artist=John Picacio<br />
|ArtistId=23139<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Holmesd]]}}</div>
Holmesd
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:THMGPRJCTR2013.jpg&diff=679204
File:THMGPRJCTR2013.jpg
2024-02-06T03:40:05Z
<p>Holmesd: {{CID1
|Title=The Omega Project
|Edition=Forge 2013 hc
|Pub=THMGPRJCTR2013
|Publisher=Forge
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Holmesd}}</p>
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=The Omega Project<br />
|Edition=Forge 2013 hc<br />
|Pub=THMGPRJCTR2013<br />
|Publisher=Forge<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Holmesd]]}}</div>
Holmesd
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:WSTSDSNTSB2020.jpg&diff=679203
File:WSTSDSNTSB2020.jpg
2024-02-06T03:39:13Z
<p>Holmesd: {{CID1
|Title=Westside Saints
|Edition=Harper Voyager 2020 hc
|Pub=WSTSDSNTSB2020
|Publisher=Harper Voyager
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Holmesd}}</p>
<hr />
<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=Westside Saints<br />
|Edition=Harper Voyager 2020 hc<br />
|Pub=WSTSDSNTSB2020<br />
|Publisher=Harper Voyager<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Holmesd]]}}</div>
Holmesd
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:WSTSDLGHTS2022.jpg&diff=679202
File:WSTSDLGHTS2022.jpg
2024-02-06T03:38:21Z
<p>Holmesd: {{CID1
|Title=Westside Lights
|Edition=Harper Voyager 2022 hc
|Pub=WSTSDLGHTS2022
|Publisher=Harper Voyager
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Holmesd}}</p>
<hr />
<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=Westside Lights<br />
|Edition=Harper Voyager 2022 hc<br />
|Pub=WSTSDLGHTS2022<br />
|Publisher=Harper Voyager<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Holmesd]]}}</div>
Holmesd
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:LFTHNVRSND2009.jpg&diff=679201
File:LFTHNVRSND2009.jpg
2024-02-06T03:37:04Z
<p>Holmesd: {{CID1
|Title=Life, the Universe and Everything
|Edition=Pan Books 2009 tp
|Pub=LFTHNVRSND2009
|Publisher=Pan Books
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Holmesd}}</p>
<hr />
<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=Life, the Universe and Everything<br />
|Edition=Pan Books 2009 tp<br />
|Pub=LFTHNVRSND2009<br />
|Publisher=Pan Books<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Holmesd]]}}</div>
Holmesd
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Username&diff=679137
User talk:Username
2024-02-05T02:56:40Z
<p>Holmesd: /* Science Fictionisms */ yup.</p>
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<div>{{welcome}} [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:14, 18 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== {{T|875023|Tales of Mystery and Revenge}} ==<br />
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How are we to know thet "Day of Vengeance" from 1948 was retitled as "The Bone Bead Necklace" for this collection?--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 19:39, 18 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:Archive.org had issues of The Saturday Evening Post which aren't there anymore. "Day of Vengeance" in the Apr 10, 1948 issue concerns a soldier in South Africa cursed by a witch doctor. Both men end up dying, but the curse is passed down over the years to the soldier's relatives. My not having a copy of Langley's 1950 collection makes it difficult to verify, but I find it hard to believe he wrote 2 stories about witch doctors cursing someone (especially since the Post story has an illustration on the 1st page of the witch doctor wearing a bone necklace). I guess someone with access to that 1948 issue and either the 1950 collection or its 1969 reprint (or Medley Macabre where the story was reprinted) will have to compare and verify. I see no mention on the web of these 2 stories being the same, so I'd be happy to be the first to notice this.[[User:Username|Username]]<br />
:: We definitely need more than just what you recollection is.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 07:04, 19 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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So on picclick.co.uk I discovered 1 copy of the 1950 edition, [https://picclick.co.uk/Tales-of-Mystery-and-Revenge-by-Noel-Langley-142458018002.html], and entered the page #'s on ISFDB, but noticed the acknowledgements mention 3 stories, "the Fall of the Fothergays", "Saint Wilbur", and "But a Good Cigar is a Smoke" are credited to the Saturday Evening Post. "...Fothergays" says on philsp.com it's from a 1947 issue of Woman's Journal and the other 2 stories don't have any info online verifying they're from the Post, so I think this bolsters my belief that he retitled some of his stories for book publication. I also found a weird PDF of the 1969 reprint, [http://www.sepel.uerj.br/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Tales-of-Mistery-and-Revenge-Noel-Langley.pdf], which has different page #'s (which I also entered on ISFDB) but the same acknowledgements. This was one of my very first edits and it still bothers me that I threw away my printout of the story from archive.org shortly before I became an editor, since the archived Post issues were taken down for some reason. There's a site, saturdayeveningpost.com, but they charge a membership fee. I'll have "Day of Vengeance" entered on ISFDB yet! --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:49, 8 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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So I found this, [https://picclick.co.uk/Saturday-Evening-Post-April-10-1948-John-Atherton-174551293028.html]. Picture #2 shows the contents page with "Day of Vengeance" and Picture #11 shows a piece of the story on the right side. So that's proof of the story and some text for someone who has any of the books with "The Bone Bead Necklace" to compare and verify if they're the same. "Day of Vengeance" will be mine! --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:28, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Edits ==<br />
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We appreciate the information you are providing. However, instead of just submitting the info in the moderator notes, please feel free to make the necessary edits. If content needs to be added to a pub, you can edit the pub. If the same story appears under multiple titles, you can variant this to one another. There are links to the help in the welcome message above. Let us know if you have any questions ([[ISFDB:Help desk]] is a good resource for asking). We hope you will continue to contribute. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:32, 22 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for the advice. I variant titled Dat Tay Vao with Dat-Tay-Vao and Mrs Halfbooger's Basement with Mrs. Halfbooger's Basement since those 2 fixes were supposedly title-updated by you according to "My Recent Edits" but weren't actually changed at all. I figured out how to do them myself. However, both reported a Length Mismatch because the correct titles were classed as "short story" but the variants were not classed at all. I guess that's another fix I'll have to do myself for future titles. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Username|contribs]]) .</small><br />
::Sorry, about that. Looks like I hit approve instead of hold. I have been holding edits until I had a chance to make the change. I approved the variants and set the lengths on the variants. I also moved this conversation from my page over to here as, by convention, we keep conversations centralized as it makes it easier to follow. Thanks again for these contributions. I will continue to process the edits on hold. However, if you wish to do them yourselves, you can cancel the existing edit that is just a note and submit the actual change. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 22:17, 22 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Among the Pictures Are These: ==<br />
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As the ending colon seems likely a database typo, I have [[User_talk:SFJuggler#Among_the_Pictures_Are_These:|asked the verifier]] to double check. I will fix or variant based on the answer. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:04, 22 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:It was a database typo and has been corrected. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:03, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Stella Gibbons, a Writer and the Supernatural ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4865069 This merge] would change the title in a verified pub. If you believe All Hallows #32, February 2003 used a comma instead of a subtitle (ISFDB separates subtitles from titles with a colon), you need to post at the verifiers talk page and ask them to double check. Verification means that the person has checked the record against the pub & verified it matches. It's not a perfect system as people are people and we all make errors, but ISFDB etiquette is to check with active verifiers. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:56, 24 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== How Kank Thad Returned to Blur-Esh ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4865426 This edit] will impact verified pubs. As one of the verifiers is active ([[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]]), you will need to check with them. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:10, 25 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== John Taylor ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4866416 this submission]: {{A|John Taylor}} is a UK author and {{A|John Alfred Taylor}} is a US author. They also have different birth dates. These do not seem to be the same person. Is there something I'm missing? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:37, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:I've separated out the stories per The Fiction Mags Index and other sources. There was actually a third author in there also. I've left a single story on {{A|John Taylor}} as I was unable to find anything on that one. Thanks for finding this. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:10, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:: That one story I traced to [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/ISFAC/s313.htm#A4878 John Alfred Taylor].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 19:53, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
::: Sorry, that was actually an essay, I'll revert it.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 19:56, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:::: We better ask the primary verifiers of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?98895 Beyond this Horizon] if the two Taylor entries in this book are by the same John Taylor. Contento has them both as by John Alfred Taylor, BTW.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 20:03, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:::::Good idea. [[User_talk:Stonecreek#John_Taylor|Done]] --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:16, 28 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:::::Stonecreek reports that there is no biographical information in ''Beyond This Horizon'', but the context makes it more likely it was the UK physicist. I have added title notes to document that. Best we can do, I think. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:44, 29 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== The W.W. II Pistol ==<br />
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I merged "The W. W. II Pistol" to "The W.W. II Pistol" as the primary verifier is no longer active to ask and the Amazon Look Inside for the verified version shows it without the space. As for first appearances, you can update the date and add a note to title records that appear in verified pubs without asking the verifier. It is only if you change the title or the author credit that verification becomes an issue. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:32, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== David Byron ==<br />
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Given this is a common name, do you know if all the titles at {{A|David Byron}} are from the same person? I would like to ensure we don't have multiple people here before updating. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:59, 31 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Plagiarism ==<br />
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Hi, If you feel -rather: if you can prove- that a given story is a plagiarism, please enter that information -accompanied by links in the <a href="link">information</a> format- in the note field of that particular story and submit that, instead of starting a story in an author change request.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 16:17, 31 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:Username, when someone asks you a question (like above), please answer the question on the wiki. There are multiple moderators and when you put answers in the moderator notes, different people will be reading them which makes it very confusing. In fact, if you are not submitting a change (i.e. only have moderator notes), then it doesn't belong in a database submission. It would be better posted at the [[ISFDB:Community Portal]]. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:27, 1 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Pseudonyms / alternate names ==<br />
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Hi, and a belated welcome. I processed your submissions related to alternate names for {{A|Robert Steven Connett}}. They were fine, but one gotcha to be aware of when working with alternate names: Simply establishing one exisiting name as an alternate of a canonical name is not enough to get the bibliographies organized appropriately. For each of the pseudonyms/alternates, you also need to go through the bibliography of titles credited using that name and make them variants of new titles credited to the canonical name. So, for example, where you made {{A|R. S. Connett}} an alternate name of {{A|Robert Steven Connett}}, the cover art title {{T|1296305|I'll Be Damned}} needed to be made a variant of a new parent title with all of the particulars identical, but the "R. S. Connett" credit replaced with "Robert Steven Connett". That gets {{T|2816878|this result}}. (If we already have a record for the same title credited to the canonical name, there is an option link to it instead of creating a new one.)<br />
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If the alternate name relationship already exists, you can tell which titles are missing the variant-to-canonical-parent because they are still visible by default on the alternate name's bibliography page. Once a variant is in place, they are hidden (you can see them by choosing the "View all titles published using this alternate name" link).<br />
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You can make the variants without waiting for the alternate name relationship establishment to be approved, so you can do them at the same time. It makes life easiest on the moderators if you first submit the alternate name edit and next submit the new variant(s) -- then it's easy to see what you're doing and is also easy to see that the moderator doesn't need to go add the variants.<br />
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I took care of these, so just something to keep in mind for the future. If you run into this situation again, give it a try, and if you need any help just ask. Thanks! --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:19, 1 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Wake of the Wearwolf (excerpt) spelling ==<br />
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Your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/tv_update.cgi?4871401 submission] has been placed on hold. As the work "Wake of the Wearwolf (excerpt)" is in a book that has [[User:Marc Kupper|a primary verifier]], what needs to happen is that you contact him and ask him to verify the spelling of the title in his copy of the work. I've asked Marc to comment here. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:16, 6 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Removing first appearance notes ==<br />
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While these are not necessary, they confirm that what we have as a first appearance of a story is indeed its first and we are not missing earlier editions and/or appearances. So I would not remove them -- I am going to reject all of your edits that are trying to do that. I would not go and add that as a note but if someone had added it after doing the research for it, I will leave it in place. Thanks for the understanding. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:36, 7 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Tales of Britannica Castle ==<br />
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I don't see why you need to variant this title. It is apparently a series, so the other similar titles may be different stories. Only if you know the contents of the stories do you need to worry about creating variants. Clearly, some of them are already variants; I guess I would accept what is already in the data base. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 20:55, 11 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Horror: The Best of the Year ==<br />
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List the stories you know in the contents and the authors where you don't know the stories in the notes for the pub, with something like "The following authors are known (from what source) to have stories in the anthology, but the titles of their stories are unknown:<br />
". [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 21:00, 11 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Amazon images ==<br />
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When you use Amazon images, like that for "In Flagrant Delight", remove the part between the two underlines, eg. "...images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51UUVNH-hfL._SX322_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg" should be changed to "...images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51UUVNH-hfL.jpg". I've corrected a couple for you. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 19:36, 12 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Importing content into The Phantom Coach and Other Ghost Stories of an Antiquary ==<br />
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I'm holding your edit to import content into ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?784537 The Phantom Coach and Other Ghost Stories of an Antiquary]''. The collection is under a variant name, "Augustus Jessopp, D. D." whereas the stories you are importing are under the parent name "Augustus Jessopp". Unless each of the individual stories has a different byline on their title pages, the form of the author's name should match that of the collection. However, that situation is unusual. Let me know if that's actually the case. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:59, 15 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Some ancient archived magazine from 1883 I found on Google lists the only story by Jessopp on ISFDB, "An Antiquary's Ghost Story", with the D.D. although ISFDB does not. The collection by him uses the D.D. on the cover so I suppose all stories should be under that name, too. Also, richarddalbyslibrary.com gives more info about this book including an introduction by J.A. Salmonson and a preface by the author.--[[User:Username|Username]] 11:07, 15 January 2021 (EST)<br />
::That's all fine. We just need to have the version of each story reflect the author credit as it appears in the publication where you find it. So four stories you added need to have the author credit as "Augustus Jessopp, D. D.". This means that you can't import [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?802837 this story], because the author credit lacks the "D.D.". What you want to do is just edit the publication adding all four stories manually with the correct credit. Then you need to make each of those stories a variant. For the one that we have without the "D.D.", you do that by Option 1 in the make variant tool and providing the title number of the parent version (802837). For the other three stories, you should use option 2 and create a new title with the parent name without the "D.D". This should also be done for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2753001 title record] for the collection itself. You can also add the Salmonson introduction, though if she is credited as "J. A.", it would be another variant situation as her canonical name is "[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?1180 Jessica Amanda Salmonson]". Please let me know if you need any help in creating these edits. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:05, 15 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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Turns out it's a good thing I didn't follow your instructions, not that I understood them anyway. I was going to just put a link in the book's notes to the page on richarddalbyslibrary.com so people could see the contents until I noticed the damn page has a completely different book title in the URL. Apparently that website is just as careless with info as many of the people who edit on ISFDB, who just lazily copy info they find on the web without double-checking other sources to make sure what they're entering is accurate. Searching for another page about the book, I found one on lwcurrey.com that revealed there's only 2 stories in the book and the other stuff is all articles about supernatural phenomena. So I will enter a note about all this in the record for this title.--[[User:Username|Username]] 18:26, 15 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Foreward / Foreword ==<br />
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Hi, I got your meaning in the 2nd round -but it gave me a chance to correct the nine 'Foreword' entries as well.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 21:37, 15 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Sources ==<br />
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When adding details to an author like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?84861 William Castle], please note the sources you are using either by adding the site to the Web Pages (I added Wiki and IMDB as both confirm your data) or in the Moderator notes - it saves time when the verification is being done. Plus if you add them to the Web pages, people can see where the data came from without needing to go through the Edit history. While Wiki is usually a fast guess, sometimes the sources are more obscure (and as such harder to be found later). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:38, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Wikipedia and IMDB are almost as bad as Amazon when it comes to incorrect info, which is saying a lot, so I would never trust anything I read on those sites and copy info from them like so many other editors on here do. I find more reliable sources, usually in archive.org or other obscure places, and I don't link those sites because I have no idea if the site wants to be linked here or not, unlike "Wiki and IMDB" which everyone "borrows" info from.--[[User:Username|Username]] 09:57, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: So what were your sources for this edit then? Data with no sources should be rejected. I will start doing that instead of trying to complete your incomplete updates. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:56, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: Please note that, as is repeatedly emphasized in [[Help:Screen:NewPub]], editors should explain their sources in the Note field. In addition to the Note fields, which exist in all ISFDB record types (author records, publication records, title records, etc), we also use a number of other ways to indicate the sources of our bibliographic information: primary verifications, secondary verifications, External IDs.<br />
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::: Consider [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?185757 this record], whose Note field reads "No publication date stated. The stated copyright date is 1966. Reginald-1 gives the publication year as 1971." It clearly explains what information is stated in the publication and what information was taken from a secondary source, in this case Reginald-1. (Certain old ISFDB records from before ca. 2006 do not state their sources; some of our editors are working on updating them as time permits.)<br />
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::: Please make sure to state your sources going forward. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:02, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Transient verifications and formats ==<br />
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As a verification implies access to the book/magazine you are verifying and there is no note that you are working from a clipped/rebound copy [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?819550 here], can you please fill in the format of the magazine? Especially for a transient verification - you may not have access to it later on. If you are working off complete scans or rebound magazine archive (so the format is harder to be determined), add a note to that effect to the publication so that is clear. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:42, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Naught But a Shadow ==<br />
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Fixed the format on your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?819551 here]. "pb" is for American style paperbacks; all other paperbacks are "tp". A 5x8 inches paperback will always be a tp. The full help page is [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Format here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:51, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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If that's what you think best, that's fine. I was basing it on the fact that every online mention of this book at reputable booksellers like Barnes & Noble refers to it as a paperback and not one calls it a trade paperback or tp except somebody selling a copy on eBay.--[[User:Username|Username]] 09:49, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
: Please read the help page. “Pb” is used for mass market paperbacks. “Tp” is any other paperback. Don’t apply industry terms when we have the terms defined here. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:58, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Subterrene: Tales from the Shadows ==<br />
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When adding books without ISBN, adding the ASIN makes it easier to know what we have (and less likely for a duplicate to be created). I added it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?819552 here] and fixed the capitalization: we normalize titles and "from" is never capitalized unless it is the first word in a title or subtitle. Complete capitalization rules are [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Title here], section "Case".<br />
: A quick question - is not using the exact date a decision (you do not think Amazon has that right?) or just an oversight? Thanks for adding the book. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:56, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
I wouldn't trust info on Amazon if my life depended on it. Their dates are wrong very often, along with much else. A big portion of my work since I started here has been correcting info entered by other editors who lazily copy from Amazon (or locusmag.com or philsp.com or countless other places) without double-checking with other sources. Also, when I enter info often I go back and add more and correct my mistakes later, so not having certain info doesn't mean it won't be added eventually.--[[User:Username|Username]] 09:38, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Dates ==<br />
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I am not sure what you mean with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4892390 this note]. When you are merging, the UI allows you to select which date to keep - defaulting always on the earliest. I had never seen it behaving differently and when I just merged, it picked up 1991 - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?896324 here]. But even if it did not, you can change that during the merging so was there a different problem with this merge? <br />
: If not, what browser and OS are you using? Maybe we have a HTML/JS issue somewhere... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:00, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:: I've merged hundreds of these. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:21, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: According to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/topcontrib.cgi?9 Top ISFDB contributors (Title Merge)], you have merged 60 title records. Are you using multiple user names, by chance? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:19, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: Upon merging titles recently often the KeepID column will have the date of first publication I didn't choose. I can't say why sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. I find it hard to believe it only happens to me, so maybe asking other editors would help. Perhaps the updates to the ISFDB software recently by 1 of the moderators (see: Community Portal) had something to do with it.--[[User:Username|Username]] 09:21, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: The sections of the ISFDB software responsible for merging titles haven't been changed in a number of years. There have been no reports of inconsistent behavior, but it's always possible for a new browser-specific issue to pop up. Could you please specify which browser and operating system you are using? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:19, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Skeleton Crew, March 1991 ==<br />
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Question about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?819554] - Archive has a lot more contents than you added. Is it out of scope? If so, there is a decision to be made. If we declare the magazine non-genre, then it does not get added. If we declare it genre (and it looks to me it is), then we can add the incomplete template so people know we need to get back to it and add it. <br />
PS: Careful with prices -- US$ is just $ (and added page numbers - if you rather not use the pages, add piped numbers for order (|1, |2 and so on) or a merge later on will move things around and the stories will show up in all kinds of weird order. Thanks for adding the magazine. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:14, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
: And on the same magazine - why did it jump from being a UK one to being a US one [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2728851 see the prices])? It seems like the covers have both prices so let's stick with one of them in the Price field (UK I would say -it seems more prominent) and add the other in the notes? It looks a bit sloppy otherwise :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:19, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
There are over a dozen issues of this magazine that have never been entered on ISFDB at all even though it ended its run in 1991. I found out "The Reploids" by Stephen King was never reprinted in any of his collections but searching online I found out it was reprinted in an issue of this magazine, but only 1 issue had ever been entered by someone on ISFDB, so I began the task of entering the issues myself, only including fiction because most of the non-fiction is outdated interviews. I entered the price in pounds and after moderator accepted my edit I saw they had changed the price to dollars for some reason. So if you have a problem with that speak to them and tell them not to change things without asking the editor if it's Ok with them.--[[User:Username|Username]] 08:57, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
: Nope. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4892491 Here] is your submission. You were the one who added it in Dollars. I approved it, fixed the format and came to ask you why. No one can chan a submission - we can only approve and then edit. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:10, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Scott Connors/Scott Conners ==<br />
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Is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4892595 this submission] solely based on the similar names and the story of the other author or is there something that confirms them as the same person? While it is indeed very likely that they are the same, the name is common enough to allow for ambiguity so a bit more proof is needed - we connect names only when we are sure they are the same. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 06:25, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
: Same question for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4893001 Sam Minier]? While the name is less common, I would still prefer a bit more data (listing somewhere? Bio somewhere?). I am more inclined to approve this one without any additional data than the other one but still... Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 06:38, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
Scott Connors is a well-known expert on Clark Ashton Smith and has many non-fiction pieces on the subject, so the Conners record (which is not a story, it's an essay) which is about Smith is by the same guy, with his last name misspelled either in the original publication or by the person who entered the info here. The Minier name is the same person and philsp.com has the Sam Minier info under the Samuel Minier name.--[[User:Username|Username]] 09:06, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Missing source ==<br />
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Please specify the source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4893507 this edit to Fiend]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:29, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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: The cover for Guy N. Smith's 1988 novel Fiend is the same as the cover for Year's Best Horror Stories: XIX and is actually titled "Fiend" in Les Edwards' 1990 collection, just like the cover by Edwards for Smith's 1989 novel Mania was re-used for 2 different horror best-of-the-year collections. When the title of the artwork matches the title of the book it came from, that's your source.--[[User:Username|Username]] 17:51, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:: And that is why we have "Moderator Notes" field on every record - so you post your sources and explanations there. And in the case of the cover art attribution, the source and attribution should also be always added to the publication note. I will reject your update so you can redo it and add the sources in Notes and allow (if you want) to add more notes to the Moderator notes (these will be visible if someone checks the publication history so they become attached to the book if anyone wonders later how the artist was determined) while the Notes field itself is visible without digging and even for non-logged in users. Thanks for finding this one and let me know if you have any questions. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:00, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== A little trick with magazines ==<br />
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You do not need to rename and change the date of the EDITOR record before it is merged with its yearly record (as long as an yearly record already exists for this year) - you can use either "Show All Titles" from the editor's author page (for not very active editors) or Advanced Search -> Titles with the exact titles and with "or" and merge directly from one of those screens (make sure you select the date with 00-00 - the site has preference to exact dates within the same year so it will pick the date with a date or month specified by default). Most moderators will merge for you once they approve a rename (as I just did) but that makes it a single step so it does not get missed. Rename and merge is not a problem of course - but less steps makes it less likely for things to get wrong sometimes. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:18, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Night the Lights Went Out in Arkham ==<br />
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I've rejected [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/pv_update.cgi?4894790 this submission] because we don't link to cover images in the website field. That field is only for sites ''about'' the publication, not for cover image links. For the cover image, you can download it to your computer, and then upload it by following the directions on [[Help:How to upload images to the ISFDB wiki|this page]]. I've done that for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?762067 this publication] (including the price). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:47, 26 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Red Scream ==<br />
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Hello my friends. So I was taking a look at this magazine which only ran for 3 issues in 2005. The second issue was only partially filled, so I checked to see if the remaining fiction was on ISFDB. 1 story was there so I imported it, "Suitcase Sam" (although date needed to be changed to magazine's date), but another story was there under a most likely mistakenly entered title. Wrath James White's story in Red Scream, "Razor Blade Fuck Toy", shows a 2014 date on ISFDB and the title "http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2019310", and was translated as "http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2018926" for a 2016 German anthology and reprinted in a 2017 German collection of White's stories. The 2014 date is because it was included in an English-language collection of White's stories, Cupid in Bondage, that's not on ISFDB. The thing is, that German title roughly translates as "Sex Plaything", which seems more like a translation of the original title in Red Scream. I suppose it's possible he wrote a sequel to the original story, but I doubt it. Not being familiar at all with White's work, I humbly ask someone out there who is to help sort this out. If it turns out they're the same story, I can import it into the magazine's contents and then never have to look at those creepy Red Scream covers again. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:16, 26 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Over All ==<br />
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I approved you submission for changes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1252537 Over All]. I varianted the author's name to the canonical form and yes, I flagged the story as graphic format. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 13:27, 31 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Incomplete ==<br />
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When the contents of a book is incomplete, please use the template <nowiki>{{incomplete}}</nowiki> and not some made up string. This way the magazine/book will show up on the incomplete report and if someone has the time and/or the inclination to, they can complete it. The list of all supported templates is [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Using_Templates_and_HTML_in_Note_Fields here]. I fixed it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?427466 here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:05, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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: I didn't put "Contents incomplete" in the notes because I wanted someone else to complete the record. I put it there to remind myself it wasn't finished yet. 1 of the stories, "Scoop", was in an issue of Fantasy Tales but wasn't on ISFDB, which I found odd, and it turns out it's because Samantha Lee's name was misspelled as Amanda Lee, even though a moderator had verified that issue nearly 10 years ago. Nobody noticed that mistake until I did just now. Also, 1 story was published in 2002 under a different name so I still needed to variant the title. Also, several stories were published in women's mags and thus needed notes entered by me to say where they were first published. Also, a couple of story titles in the collection differed slightly from their original titles, so I needed to mention that in the notes. I don't just enter stuff, I actually try to do it properly. In the future I won't put any "contents incomplete" in notes so no one will be bothered entering it themselves. --[[User:Username|Username]] 00:29, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Understood but things happen. You may need to walk away - and then forget when you are back. Or the approval may take awhile. So just use the template so in case you do not come back to it, someone else can. :) That's why we have the template - way too many "I will be back to finish it" cases that never got finished. Don't be surprised if a moderator adds the template on an incomplete edit though - once a story is added, it is the only thing that differentiates an incomplete contents from complete one.<br />
:: As for the author name - discuss the author name change with the PV - if it is credited with a different name in the magazine, it will be approved. If the typo is in the magazine, we will need to variant instead. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:43, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Scoop ==<br />
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Please discuss [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4901012 this change] with the PV as per ISFDB policy. As we go by the credit in the magazine, unless you have a magazine at hand or a scan that can show the spelling, we need to check where the typo is - in our DB or in the magazine. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:47, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Well, there's the fact that her name is spelled properly as Samantha Lee on the front and back cover, and in the contents: [https://archive.org/details/fantasytales20000unse]. The typo's in our DB. God bless --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:01, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:: All 3 are irrelevant if it is misspelled on the title page of the story itself. :) Do you happen to have a scan of that? Check with Bob - he probably can pull the magazine and check it. It is most likely a misspelling here indeed but stranger things had happened so we try to double check before we "fix" things. If there was no active PV, I would approve and add a note in the publication for the change. With an active PV, we may have access to the magazine. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:06, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
::: I also encountered a few cases where the author's name or the title proper did differ on the cover, the table of contents and/or the beginning page, and a fraction of them did make it to spell it only on the beginning page different (supposedly erroneous). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:15, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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This link, [https://books.google.com/books/about/Fantasy_Tales_5.html?id=VyafBAAAQBAJ], gives you 2 copies of this issue, including 1 with a limited preview. Clicking on "Scoop" by SAMANTHA Lee in the contents takes you to the title page of the story where you can see that the author is SAMANTHA Lee. Her name is spelled properly everywhere in this issue. The AMANDA Lee name on ISFDB was just a case of a previous editor entering the wrong name. When my name change edit is confirmed by a moderator don't forget to import "Scoop" into SAMANTHA Lee's collection Worse Things Than Spiders. All hail --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:51, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
: You know, it took a few minutes to ask the PV and get an [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Biomassbob#Fantasy_Tales_V12n5.2C_Autumn_1990 answer]. Update approved. Feel free to import it anywhere it needs to go. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:15, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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The only reason to ask the PV is if I was unable to see a copy of the work in question. There are multiple copies online including the one I linked on Google Books which proved that the name on the title page was really Samantha. I only bother other people when I can't see the evidence for myself, which didn't apply in this case. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:28, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:You should always check with the PV when possible. There may be some cases where they have an undeclared variant copy where the mistake is present, which may differ from the copy you have (in which case, we'd need to make sure both were documented here). Unless they are no longer active, always check with the PV. Always. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:03, 3 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Decadence ==<br />
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If you have the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?295007 this one], please add the page place numbers (preceded with |) so the stories are properly ordered in our listing. The ones that were already there have the page orders already, just the ones you just added still need them :) And if by any chance there are real pages numbers, we can use that on all stories of course. Meanwhile I cleaned up the list of authors with unknown stories in the note and added incomplete to make sure we keep track of the missing story. Thanks for adding some of the missing stories. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:15, 4 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Language ==<br />
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Please refrain from using expletives and other coarse language when posting and submitting on ISFDB. It may be normal language for you, but it can create an uncomfortable atmosphere when working with other editors here. There are people from many different backgrounds on ISFDB, and we need to make sure we are considerate in how we interact with them. Please keep your language professional. Thank you. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:39, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== ISBNs for books after December 31, 2006 ==<br />
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Please be sure to use ISBN-13s for books published after December 31, 2006. If you only have an ISBN-10, you can use [https://www.isbn.org/ISBN_converter this handy ISBN converter] to find the ISBN-13. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:11, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== El Hijo de las Tinieblas ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4906675 this submission], what was the reason for the significant changes you submitted? There was no note explaining why you were changing the publication dates from 2013 to 1992. That's a huge change, so an explanation is needed. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:15, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:[https://tercerafundacion.net/biblioteca/ver/ficha/1616]; exact date from bookdepository.com; it's a trade paperback, not a paperback as I originally thought. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:18, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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::Are there, perhaps, two different printings? One in 1992 and one in 2013? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:33, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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All copies on AbeBooks are 1992. The book's publisher, Martinez Roca, ends in 1998 on ISFDB, except for 1 stray literary novel in 2007, so it's unlikely they decided to reprint a cheesy horror novel from 1990 in 2013. It's probably just the usual editor's copy and paste error without checking other sources to verify the info. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:45, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:Okay, thanks. Approved. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:37, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Disambiguating author and publisher names ==<br />
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When disambiguating these, please follow these guidelines:<br />
*For the most established one (usually meaning they have the most work, or are the oldest company), leave the name as is.<br />
*For the other people or publishers with the same name, disambiguate them using a Roman numeral in parentheses. For example, we have three publishers with the name "Catalyst Press": [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?6451 Catalyst Press], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?74316 Catalyst Press (I)], and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?74317 Catalyst Press (II)].<br />
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If you do this, the database will automatically add a line at the top of the listing (whether for a person or a publisher) with links to any others with the same base name: "Note: There are other publishers with the same name: Catalyst Press, Catalyst Press (I)". Please let me know if you have any questions. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:42, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Dark Offspring ==<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/darkoffspring00newy] Found this anthology which is completely empty on ISFDB was uploaded to archive.org back in 2010. I entered price, cover artist and introduction, but limited preview cuts the second page of stories off. Anyone with an account on archive.org can now enter into ISFDB the contents of this rare book which aren't listed anywhere online as far as I'm aware. --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:31, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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I entered them myself. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:47, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Squad D ==<br />
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So this story, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?46121], written in the 1970's, was never included in any of Stephen King's collections and didn't get published until Richard Chizmar's anthology Shivers VIII in 2019, which was oddly published in Germany first. The problem is there's only 1 library with 2 copies of the book on Worldcat, so distribution seems to have been a problem. Scribd.com offers it as a standalone story but requires you to sign up to read the whole thing. However, I discovered if you click the cached version on Google it gives you the whole story. Oddly, the regular website's cached version is a mess of garbled text, while this version, [http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:RFGP0YSYP1cJ:https://pt.scribd.com/document/23283543/Squad-D&hl=en&gl=us&strip=1&vwsrc=0], seems to display it properly. So here's an opportunity to read this rare story. I wonder whether I should add that link to the "Squad D" ISFDB record. Any thoughts? --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:34, 11 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Red Scream - 2005 edit ==<br />
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Hi. I had to hard-reject your Red Scream - 2005 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4909155 submission] because that title record is no longer present. It was most likely merged with something else (probably [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2424596 this]) after you submitted it, and the merge was accepted first. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:18, 13 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== "La Belle Dame Sans Merci" / "La Belle Dame Sans Regrets" ==<br />
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Hi. When changing the text of a title, keep in mind that the change affects all publications where the title appears. In the case of your "La Belle Dame Sans Merci" -> "La Belle Dame Sans Regrets", while it is "Regrets" in ''Terminal Frights'', it is "Merci" in ''Deathrealm #28'', so the fix-up needs to be done differently. First, we need to unmerge the title for the publication where it is incorrect, then we need to fix that instance. In researching this, I found they are not the same work, but rather "Regrets" is the sequel to "Merci". See [https://www.amazon.com/INTERMUSINGS-David-Niall-Wilson-ebook/dp/B0084V61ZA this]. So I am going to reject your submission and then separate the two and fix up the one in ''Terminal Frights''. Thanks for catching it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:25, 15 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:This is done. See now [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?83544 La Belle Dame Sans Merci] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2834399 La Belle Dame Sans Regrets]. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 09:12, 15 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Publication (or title) web pages ==<br />
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When updating web pages for a publication or title, please don't remove current links (as you did for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?823713 this one]). Instead, click the "+" button next to ''Web Page 1'' and add a second web page. This helps prevent possible loss of information. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:31, 16 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:I'm the one who entered that Phantasm anthology recently and found that archived page, then I found an Angelfire page still on Google with much the same info, so I replaced it. Always better to use a still extant page rather than an archived one, but if both are acceptable, then both it is. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:51, 16 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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::There's not really a limit on the number of webpages that can be entered, so having two is usually better. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:15, 16 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Temple Servant and Other Stories ==<br />
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I've put on hold your edit to replace the Note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2056411 this pub]: "After Morrough's name on the title page is (Abu Nadaar); this is the pen name used when some of these stories were first published in magazines, primarily The New Statesman and London Mercury.". Replacing the note would remove the information about Moreau's other pseudonym "Abu Nadaar", and we currently don't carry that info anywhere else, so I'd suggest adding your new note to it rather than replacing it. Alternatively, so that it's no lost an appropriate place for this info would also be to add a Note to Morrough's biblio page, which you can do by clicking 'Edit Author Data'. You could also add a Note to the Title data for each relevant story, mentioning that it was originally published by as by "Abu Nadaar" in whichever magazine/newspaper it appeared, if you have that information. What do you think? [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 04:42, 1 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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: The verbatim note from The Temple Servant should be entered on ISFDB under that book's record but my note about "Abu Nadaar" can be entered under Morrough's name as "He published some stories under the pen name Abu Nadaar". Info is sketchy since some stories were published as by Nadaar and then reprinted as by Morrough in many old and hard-to-verify publications so a note will suffice. It's not anything major since there's many sites all over the web with the info about his pseudonym. --[[User:Username|Username]] 08:34, 1 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks, done. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 14:37, 1 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Artist credit + notes/sources -- ''City Jitters'' ==<br />
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Hi. When you add an artist credit, such as you did for {{P|278761|City Jitters}}, you should identify the source. If it's in the book and you are Primary Verifier, then it's ok not to say anything (although it is helpful to state the form of the credit, even in that case). But if you don't have the book, the secondary source used for the credit should be noted. In researching the submission, I found the art on Les Edwards' [http://www.lesedwards.com/galleries/vintage/city-jitters/1097 website], so I accepted it and added the webpage link in the title record. Please take a moment to add your source to the pub notes, though, or one of us can add a note about its appearing on his site, if you'd rather. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:13, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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See here: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?887726]. The City Jitters cover is the parent of all these covers. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:18, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks for the pointer. I made the variant and added a note about the secondary sources to the pub. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:35, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Strange Tales: Volume III ==<br />
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Can you please share your source for the "bound by Biddles in black wibalin cloth stamped in copper" note [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?317426 here]? I also fixed the title - we add a : before subtitles (and as the title page is visible on the publisher site, it is very obviously a subtitle indeed) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:11, 11 March 2021 (EST)<br />
: Same question and note for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?296408 Volume 2]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:12, 11 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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That note was already there; I added the title change with Volume being added to the title for all Strange Tales (except Volume V where they just called it Strange Tales V). I don't know what Biddles or wibalin even are nor is that the kind of info I usually add anyway; some previous editor did all that. --[[User:Username|Username]] 00:08, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
: Oops, sorry about that - not sure why I decided the latest update changed these - I think I mixed up notes somewhere. Thanks for fixing these. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:30, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Jason Lives: Friday the 13th, Part IV ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4931475 this submission: The cover does not really matter - if the title page says IV, that's what we use - and we add a note explaining the discrepancy. It is most likely a typo in the DB BUT as there is an active Primary verifier, please discuss with them before you change a title. Thanks! I will keep the submission on hold until you clarify the matter with the PV. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:16, 11 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Friday the 13th Part VI: Jason Lives is a film that came out in 1986 and this was the novelization; here is a webpage, [https://www.ebay.com/p/1359743], with a VI on it. --[[User:Username|Username]] 00:12, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: There is an active PV. They may be holding a book with a mistake on the title page in which case we will want to keep a record of both. The whole point of the primary verification is that someone has a book in hand. Please discuss the change with him. We work as a team here - which means that if there is an active PV who can check the book they verified, we ensure that we do not lose data or a weird variant... Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:19, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Castle of Lost Souls ==<br />
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Do you plan on adding the first edition for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4931465 this]? If not, there needs to be added a note to the title record explaining the earlier date (or it will be re-dated again once it pops up on a report for dates mismatch). If yes, I will approve it so you can add the first edition. This is the kind of information that needs to be in the moderator notes so we know how to proceed :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:19, 11 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Previous editor entered American publisher but used cover of original British edition, said format was tp when it was actually pb, entered wrong price, etc. I added all proper info for American edition; anyone who wants to enter original British edition can do so if they can find correct info; the cover that I replaced I'm assuming is the British one. --[[User:Username|Username]] 00:21, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Which is ok. But I asked if you plan to add the British edition now that you sorted out the American one? If not, we need a note about the provenance of the date on the title record. I assume this is a no so I will approve and finish your edit by adding the needed note. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:24, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Done. The note is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?27670 here]. This will ensure that the title does not re-dated to match its only edition (we have a report on that and it will get redated without a note sooner or later - thus the questions above). :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:27, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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Here's something I just noticed while sorting this out; the price previous editor entered, $2.95, was technically correct because the cover for the American edition available on Amazon says so. However, [https://gamebooks.org/Item/42/Show] clearly shows a cover with $2.50 as the price but the same ISBN so I assume that's the original edition. What printing the $2.95 version was is anyone's guess since they reprinted these gamebooks endlessly. Another slight difference is the $2.50 cover says "A Berkley/Pacer book" while the $2.95 one only says "Berkley/Pacer". So my record for the American edition will be correct if common $2.95 cover I carelessly added is replaced with rare $2.50 cover to match price on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:01, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
: Sounds like a later printing then. In such case, clone the 2.50 book to add a new 2.95 one, add "Unknown later printing" in the notes and date of 0000-00-00 and a note on how exactly the publisher is credited (the Publisher field will have the same value). Then we have both covers and both prices and if someone every finds the 2.95 book, we can get more details about it. I do not like stubs when we have a choice but a stub record is better than none and we know the 2.95 exists - so let's start building it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:15, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== A Case of Need ==<br />
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The only source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4934934 this book] is [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Case_of_Need Wikipedia]. There is no price in the source. Where is the price coming from? We need to add the source of it to the notes. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:22, 11 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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: [https://www.biblio.com/book-collecting/by-year/mystery-books/1960-1969]; [http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/447768635/]<br />
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:: Approved and updated the notes to indicate the source. Please add source notes for any piece of information you add that is not from a book you are verifying. That minimizes the chance of mistakes and ensures that our data is properly sourced. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:23, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Long After Dark ==<br />
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Changing the date alone like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935202 this] is not that helpful. Someone is just going to come along later and change it back thinking it's an error since it doesn't match the pubs and there is no other data provided. At a minimum, please provide a title note stating something like "Originally published in 2010 as a limited edition hardcover". But better, enter the missing edition so we actually have a record for it. See {{P|827946|here}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:42, 14 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:I come across records all the time which have 1 or more editions entered but the date at the top is earlier than any of them, but there's no note mentioning anything about it. I've created several records for original editions because the whole book is on archive.org or elsewhere, but those Delirium hardcover limited editions are rare as heck so I don't feel comfortable entering an entire record based on a few pictures and possibly inaccurate info from sellers on eBay. Entering an earlier date just lets people know there was one; if anyone owns a copy they can enter specific info on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:50, 14 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
::The existence of problematic records does not mean we should create more. Title dates should match the first publication in the database or have information provided. We have a cleanup report to catch and fix them, but there is a lot of stuff to do on the database. It is easy enough to add a title explaining why there is an earlier date. And given your tendency to complain about "lazy editors", I am surprised you would object to doing so. As for eBay, when it has a picture of the title and copyright pages, that is more than sufficient to create the stub pub record. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:31, 14 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The King of America ==<br />
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What is the source for the price [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937228 here]? Unless you really enjoy needing to answer on your Talk page, you can start adding notes inside of the notes field: "Price from cover/newspaper records/wherever applies" showing where you found the price". If it is the cover here, it is so blurry that it is not visible so... <br />
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If you do not start adding notes, all requests like this one will end up in the same way - with someone asking you for source, you responding, then someone approving and then editing to add a note... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:01, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[http://www.philsp.com/homeville/KRJ/SF_Porn_Author.pdf] is where. I enter a mountain of info on ISFDB at a rapid pace and don't enter anything unless I'm sure; I also go back over my previous approved edits and find new info I didn't enter/fix occasional mistakes. The price isn't blurry if you go to that PDF and magnify to 500%, then it's clear. Among my many different areas of interest since I became an editor is fixing/adding info for all these "adult" novels. Whichever editors entered info over the many years before I started left out many easily found covers, different editions, Catalog ID #'s, prices, etc. and made many mistakes which I'm fixing. It's a tangled mess but I'm doing my usual good job. What I find interesting is many entries have no notes for anything that was entered or where they found the info. So asking me to verify how I discovered the price for a 50-year-old porn novel is amusing. If you want to enter the fact that the price was verified by magnifying a photo on a porn PDF, feel free. Reading through these message boards and seeing the childish arguing and name-calling between moderators and other editors is not my thing. I'm all about the books. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:23, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: I have no issues with you being right. But all of this information that is wrong was added by someone who thought they were right - possibly from a faulty source, possibly by making a mistake while copying. It is a community effort - in a DB of your own, your word is enough; here we try to verify. Thus the "please list your sources in the notes". That way someone can verify later on - and 5 years from now we do not have someone else in the same boat you are in now - looking at data which we may have as well invented because there is no information where it comes from. Had this rule (list your sources unless you are PVing -- when the source is the book) been followed consistently through the years, we would not have that much to fix now. As you had seen, the older the record, the more likely it is that there are no sources at all... Allowing more of the information to go in the DB without sources multiplies the problems. So we are trying to ensure that we have sources now - for everything.<br />
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:: Catalog ID is a new field - it did not exist until ~5 years ago. There are a few more of these fields on the page - so unless the editor bothered to add the info into the notes, there was no space for the information. The covers are now easy to find, 15 years ago it was not that easy :) Some of these records are really really old. <br />
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:: I will be very honest here - if you do not add notes and just keep submitting edits with no sources, it increases the time for a moderator to process your edit (because they need to come ask you or do all the digging you did on their own, eventually finding the same and then approve and update after you) so your submissions will get backed up more and more. The cleaner and more complete your edits are, the easier to process, the faster they will get cleared. If all you care is the data and the books, I expect that you would like to ensure that the data is actually sourced properly so someone does not undo your work based on what they consider a definitive source (which disagrees with what you added)? :) <br />
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:: I will approve and fix the note for this one now. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:40, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?601551 done]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:44, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== In Flagrant Delight ==<br />
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The price of the US edition was on the cover so I just updated the notes with that post approval but where is the one for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937063 the UK one] coming from? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:18, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Same question for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937180 Satyr Trek] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937182 The Erotic Spectacles] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937183 The Power and the Pain]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:39, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://www.amazon.com/Flagrant-Delight-Brian-McNaughton/dp/0700414800]; Satyr Trek's price is in upper right of front cover; [https://www.amazon.com/Erotic-Spectacles-Genghis-Cohen/dp/0700414703]; [https://www.amazon.com/power-pain-Charles-Platt/dp/0700414207]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:32, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and notes updated on all of these. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:39, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Frankenstein '69 ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937067 this one].<br />
* The ISBN is incomplete. The correct one is 0700412603. Easy to fix BUT there was a bigger problem<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/Frankenstein-69-Ed-Martin/dp/0700412603 Amazon.com] claims 1969 but [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Frankenstein-69-Ed-Martin/dp/0700412603 Amazon UK] says 1972. Amazon can be a real pain for older books like this one and their dates are anything but reliable especially on import editions. [http://explore.bl.uk/primo_library/libweb/action/display.do?tabs=moreTab&ct=display&fn=search&doc=BLL01002399343&indx=1&recIds=BLL01002399343&recIdxs=0&elementId=0&renderMode=poppedOut&displayMode=full&frbrVersion=&vid=BLVU1&dscnt=0&vl(freeText0)=0700412603&dstmp=1615839843736 The British library] agrees with Amazon UK. So does [https://www.worldcat.org/title/frankenstein-69/oclc/877216035 OCLC]. So I approved your submission but fixed the sources and the date. Please be careful with the Amazons - the US one is bad for UK dates and vice versa regardless of age (and the older the book, the less reliable they get).<br />
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The result is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?828073 here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:29, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: <nods head vigorously> At one point I spent a significant amount of time working with Amazon's pre-1995 records. Some of them were extremely precise, e.g. some 1960s records had the correct date of publication stated. Others were off by multiple years. I suspect that at some point Amazon imported multiple third party databases (of variable quality) into their main system. We have to be extra careful with their old data because there is no way of telling where this or that record originally came from. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:37, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: And it is even worse for data from across the pond (in either direction). The somewhat good news is that most of the books from the 60s and 70s have BL records in UK if they belong there and OCLC ones for both US and UK books so that can help figure things out... Goodreads can be also good but a lot of their data is imported from Amazon and not cleaned up later so some of it has the same issues as Amazon. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:49, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Night Fear ==<br />
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The only sources for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937275 this] are the various verifications and external IDs. None of these have the page numbers. We need a source for them. I know you have a link somewhere - can you please share? And we need to note if it is based on table of contents or based on checking each title page one by one (a lot of books have discrepancies). I will approve and update but I need to know where these numbers are coming from... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:16, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: [https://www.deadsouls.co.nz/shop/roy-torgeson-ed-frank-belknap-long-night-fear/]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:17, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Approved and note updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:21, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== If God Wanted Us to Travel ... ==<br />
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Source for the month in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936820 this update]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:49, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Same question about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936641 King, of the Khyber Rifles]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:02, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/ifgodwantedustot00bren]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:02, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
[http://www.locusmag.com/index/b347.htm]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:07, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and notes updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]]<br />
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== The Earthquake Machine ==<br />
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Thanks for finding the artist [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?454505 here] but next time can you please also update the note because they way you left the book was with an artist added, no source for the artist and a note inside that there is not credit in the book and that the signature is unreadable... which is a contradiction and throws into question both the notes and the artist credit. Fixed the note after approval. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:54, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Assault on a Queen ==<br />
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Can you be a bit more precise about the source [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936723 here]? This is like saying "google it". :) Exact link will be helpful. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:57, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://www.dustjackets.com/pages/books/8325/jack-finney/assault-on-a-queen]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:04, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and a note added. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:15, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Alabaster Hand ==<br />
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Source for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935814 page numbers]? And if it is a scan of the contents page, we should be able to resolve the notes issue as well (on what is included from the introductions and so on)... Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:19, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And for the intro and the limitation number in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935790 Mist and Other Ghost Stories] and the complete contents in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935785 the import]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:22, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://richarddalbyslibrary.com/products/a-n-l-munby-the-alabaster-hand-and-other-ghost-stories-sundial-supernatural-press-2013-25-300?variant=8795937276003]<br />
[https://richarddalbyslibrary.com/products/richmal-crompton-mist-and-other-ghost-stories-sundial-supernatural-2015-limited-edition-265?variant=8885791916131]<br />
--[[User:Username|Username]] 01:41, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and notes updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:08, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Her Magic Spell ==<br />
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I suspect that source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935862 this] is the cover as for the rest of these but as we do not have a cover, I need a visible source somewhere... :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:27, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[http://www.philsp.com/homeville/KRJ/SF_Porn_Author.pdf]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:43, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and note updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:10, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Bride of Satan ==<br />
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Source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935875 this price]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:42, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[http://www.philsp.com/homeville/KRJ/SF_Porn_Author.pdf]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:44, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and note updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:11, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Astrosex ==<br />
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Month source [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936301 here]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:51, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936303 here]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:52, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936304 here]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:53, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936305 here]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:53, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And a few more: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936306 here] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936307 here]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:55, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[http://www.philsp.com/homeville/KRJ/SF_Porn_Author.pdf]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 02:18, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: These are approved and notes added. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:35, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Keeper of the Children ==<br />
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Price source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936244 this edit]? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:03, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936250 this one]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:03, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://picclick.com/Keeper-of-the-Children-by-William-H-Hallahan-233031460644.html]; [https://picclick.com/William-Hallahan-The-Search-For-Joseph-Tully-402035732963.html]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 02:16, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and notes added. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:38, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Halloween Horrors ==<br />
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Link to the contents page you unearthed for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936899 this]? :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:22, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://fantlab.ru/edition185627]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 02:26, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: External ID and note added. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:41, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Masques ==<br />
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Source for the price of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?828162 this one]? Fantlab does not have it (neither it have the back flap so I suspect you have the jacket somewhere and the price is from there?) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:28, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://picclick.com/Bill-Pronzini-MASQUES-A-NOVEL-OF-401742298339.html]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 02:31, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Note added and external ID put in place. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:43, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Surrounded ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936013 Source]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:50, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And more of these: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936007 price?], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936019 price?], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936031 price?] [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:53, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558832 this one]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:09, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: [https://archive.org/details/cinemaoffantasti00stei]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 08:51, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Please remember to specify your sources when creating submissions. Not only does the lack of sources create more work for the reviewing moderator, but, more likely than not, it also creates more work for you because you'll need to dig them up again in order to respond to moderator queries.<br />
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:::: In addition, you are a relatively new contributor, so moderators are more likely to make allowances, but eventually they will become less likely to work on your submissions, which will affect the approval time. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:44, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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(unident) OK - that link cleared [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936031 Cinema of the Fantastic]. What about the other 4? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:52, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/faceoffearnove00coff]; [https://archive.org/details/surrounded00coff]; [https://archive.org/details/bloodrisk00coff_0]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:02, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: And that leaves [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558832 The Sweat of Fear] ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935960 originally] which got approved by mistake last night but I did not reverse as I am sure you have a source)? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:16, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/sweatoffear00denn]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:22, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: ALl updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:31, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Paul Durst 1986/1990 ==<br />
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Mysteryfile.com may say 1990, it also has a [http://mysteryfile.com/blog/?p=33611#comment-7081383 letter by his daughter] that states "My father actually was buried on the day the Challenger blew up in 1986 in January, I had come from the States to his funeral.".--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 20:15, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Odd; makes me wonder where they got 1990 from and why they didn't read that letter themselves. --[[User:Username|Username]] 21:26, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Rainbird Pattern ==<br />
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And the source for the price and the cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940398 this one]? Also - looking at the cover, are you sure this artist has an artist credit and not just a designed credit (if the latter, he goes only in the notes). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:06, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: The cover I provided has an openlibrary.org URL which is a project of Internet Archive, so a cover with their name in the URL usually links to a book on archive.org except when there's no copy available. That's where the price came from on the front flap and it also says "JACKET BY" Wendell Minor. It doesn't say design otherwise I wouldn't have entered it. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:45, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: If you are using OpenLibrary for anything BUT the cover image, it needs to be noted in the Notes and in the external IDs. Plus tracking down the Open Library ID from the cover ID is as easy as finding the Amazon record from the Amazon cover IDs. If you cannot be bothered to post the link or the ID at least in the moderator notes and preferably in the proper places, you are asking the handling moderator to do all the research again - and your submissions will stay on the board for days and possibly weeks until someone has time to do all the work and verifications needed. If you start adding notes or at least all the links, it will go a lot smoother.<br />
:: In this case, the OL ID is OL4789610W which has absolutely nothing to do with the image ID: 10015820-L. You should not expect people to jump through 100 sites to find the correct books and images and sites you are using. <br />
:: Can you share where you saw the front flap? (Archive.org - got it. Will update) "Jacket By" means design usually on non-pictorial covers so I will change the notes. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:59, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: OK... [https://archive.org/details/rainbirdpattern00cann/page/n1/mode/2up here is the book] on archive.org. Where exactly do you see "Jacket by Wendell Minor"? It is not on the copyright page, the title page on the front flap or the covers. And the back flap is not visible. Where did you see it? I may have missed it although I looked 3 times so can you point me to it? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:10, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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As I explained in 1 of my previous successes, I found that if you use the search icon (magnifying glass) you can access anything in any book even if you don't have an account at archive.org. That's how I find so many things no one else can. If you type "jacket", it gives 9 entries, the last of which takes you to the BACK FLAP where it says "JACKET BY WENDELL MINOR". --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:18, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And you could have explained that in the notes. Again - unless you link to your sources (and/or explain where they are so they are easily found), you are asking someone to redo your work. Which someone will eventually - but it takes a lot longer than it should. The book itself does not contain the back flap UNTIL you search with a specific term. Figuring out the term and using it takes time and effort. It may be easy for you because you do it on every book but people are not in your head. In this case just posting the URL for the search [https://archive.org/details/rainbirdpattern00cann/page/248/mode/2up?q=flap this one] with a (cover credit from backflap) note would have been enough. Takes about 2 seconds and saves the handling moderator of trying to connect the dots (and needing to ask you on every update). The more details you post in the notes/moderator notes, the easier it will be to work your submissions and the more likely is that they are not left on the board for long periods of time. Note updated! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:38, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Tarzan of the Movies: A Pictorial History of More Than Fifty Years of Edgar Rice Burroughs' Legendary Hero ==<br />
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Price source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940610 this one]? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:46, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/tarzanofmovies00esso]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:05, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: No flaps visible. Nor is the price inside of the book (copyright page or contents or any other visible pages). The search for flap, price, $ or exact price does not find it either. So where is the price coming from? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:17, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://www.ebay.com/itm/Tarzan-of-the-Movies-Hardcover-Book-1968-Gabe-Essoe-/293833386148]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:25, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and note edited, source added in the moderator notes. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:29, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Harlot Killer ==<br />
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The cover [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940655 of our book] clearly shows 25 cents. The cover [https://picclick.com/The-Harlot-Killer-Jack-the-Ripper-essays-book-193627208436.html#&gid=1&pid=1 in your source] shows clearly 35 cents. Which will make your source a later unindentified printing (not all publishers are nice enough to enumerate printings on their copyright pages). I approved the change for the page numbers but pulled back the price change (and added a note for the provenance of the numbers) and cloned for the 0.35 copy. If you can find a cover for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?828729 0.35 book], that will be useful. Thanks! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:59, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Typos in text fields ==<br />
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When you are correcting a typo in a text field such as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940753 here], put in the moderator notes either the replacement (Frederic -> Fredric) or just the word you are fixing (typo: Frederic). That helps seeing the change quickly when reviewing your change and it also remains in the record moderator notes if someone wants to find out what you changed at some later point. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:27, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Exit to Eden ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940756 Price source?]: "price found many places online" is the same as saying "google it". Please point one place where you found it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:31, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://www.upi.com/Archives/1985/05/24/Books/3347485755200/]; [https://www.abebooks.com/first-edition/Exit-Eden-Rampling-Anne-Rice-Arbor/7744968713/bd]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 06:46, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Note updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:15, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Orphan ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940591 Price source?] If it is the cover by any chance, please provide a link to a better cover - there is something in the top right corner but this image is unreadable. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:35, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://www.etsy.com/au/listing/774984696/the-orphan-by-samantha-mellors-published?show_sold_out_detail=1&ref=nla_listing_details]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:19, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Note updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:15, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Delectus Books ==<br />
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Source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940875 this]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:06, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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My previous edit on pending list for Delectus edition of Wolf in the Garden has a link to It Goes on the Shelf as explained in the note, which is where the address is. --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:25, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Different moderators can handle different edits. Each edit should have a source. I am not going to chase another note somewhere so please provide a source. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:49, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://fanac.org/fanzines/IGOTS/igotsnew15.htm]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:52, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Note updated and year added to the note. Publishers move in 25 years so dating our addresses helps :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:18, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Of Pigs and Spiders ==<br />
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Not sure who you are talking to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940268 here] (you know that there is more than one moderator and only the one handling the submission usually sees the note, right?) but it would have taken a lot less time to actually link the sources you are using instead of complaining about a previous note. Please share your sources for all the changes you are making in this submission. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:11, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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It says locusmag.com in my note; that's where the info came from. I was responding to the usual rude, angry note from Dirk, who has been rude and angry since my start here last December. One of my very first edits was greeted with a rude reply from him, so it's nothing new. His rudeness spurred me to look for more info, which led me to locusmag.com and a bunch of new stuff which I entered here, so I thanked him for that. Sarcasm TRUMPs rudeness. I saw in another discussion he had with someone else that he was complaining about how much work he has to do and how ISFDB needs more moderators and how he was thinking of giving up and just reading a book instead, so maybe he's burnt out. I notice from their bios that many moderators here are seniors so perhaps younger, more enthusiastic moderators who are familiar with books written in the last 30 years are needed. If you really needed to know who I was talking to you could've looked at my rejected edits and seen his name there. --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:42, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Link to the exact place on the site you are using as source? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:53, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[http://www.locusmag.com/index/yr1999/t2.htm#A60]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:03, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: The March date comes from Amazon.com (among other sources) - which may or may not be valid (1999 is old enough so I do not trust them too much on dates). Are we absolutely sure that this August release is not just the signed edition? Let me do some more digging before I approve to see if it seems like a single run of 333 was ever issued. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:28, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Teacher's Pet ==<br />
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The price is on the front flap. Where is the artist credited on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4941642 this one]? The back flap is not visible so if it is there, I need your search criteria that makes it visible. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:49, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/teacherspet00tayl]; search "jacket". --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:46, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Note added. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:11, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Old Australian currency (pre 14 February 1966) ==<br />
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Hi, I altered the price to 4/9 and mentioned in the notes that the price is in Australian shillings and pences.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 17:47, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Starlog covers ==<br />
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Per ISFDB standards, we don't enter covers are cover credits for non-genre magazines unless the cover illustrates a speculative fiction story. I have started [[ISFDB:Community_Portal#Starlog|a discussion]] on the community portal regarding the status of {{S|33627|Starlog}}. As it had a film focus and not a written speculative fiction focus, it would not seem to be considered genre by ISFDB standards. You are welcome to chime in there is you have an opinion. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:40, 23 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Hands of Cain ==<br />
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Hi, regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/pv_new.cgi?4947992 The Hands of Cain]: Why 1976? especially when you want to assign a price of £0.25....Inflation was rampant in the UK during those days, so £0.25 for 1976 is definitely off. Would you like me to change the date to 0000-00-00, meaning 'unknown'?--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 16:07, 31 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Worldcat link gives year as 1976 and gives page count, so those can stay, but no price so just leave that blank. If anyone checks a physical copy, info can be updated. The unique cover for this edition is the main point of interest. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:19, 31 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Picclick.com / Contento in notes ==<br />
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Hi, picclick.com has no stable links, just like Contento/Fiction Mags Index, only worse: they go went the book is sold. Contento keeps adding content in between, so info keeps shifting page.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 16:25, 31 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Bride of Darkness ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4953431 Source]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:32, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Source is bright black .50 at top of cover, easily seen without magnifying. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:25, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: What may be easily visible for you on your monitor may not be the case for someone with vision issues or smaller/older screens. And images disappear - sometimes whole sites fall down, sometimes single images disappear due to mistakes or mishaps. This is why it is important to add notes explaining where the data is from in the Notes so even if someone cannot see the image for one reason or another, they can track the data (and check it on their copy if they have it). <br />
:: Approved and note added. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:27, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Unfortunately, this is true even with Amazon-hosted images, especially more recently. Amazon used to preserve Web pages for superseded editions, but it irritated authors, publishers and readers alike, so eventually they changed their policy. I don't know how it works internally on their end, but I have seen images replaced after the fact. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:18, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: At least for now the /I/ images seem to stay stable - although you are right that Amazon is now updating the old pages on reissue and linking to a different /I/ image - making a mess of any old records. Although I worry sometimes that they may decide to start deleting /I/ images that are not connected anywhere anymore - they are a bookseller after all, historical covers don’t really interest them (although I hope the marketplace is enough of a reason for them not to delete them). We will cross that bridge when/if we get to it (one hopes it never happens). In all cases, adding text notes on where the data is exactly is important. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:36, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Adult Version of Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4951557 source]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:56, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Source is top left cover where it says Calga Publishers; it's blurry but legible, and all other Calga books on ISFDB are under same name. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:20, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Roaring Tower and Other Short Stories ==<br />
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Sources for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4951521 these changes]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:57, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: pages: https://www.worldcat.org/title/roaring-tower-and-other-short-stories/oclc/776781492; first library on Worldcat's page, NYPL, has info about stories' pub. history; price: https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/search/results/1930-01-01/1939-12-31?basicsearch=%22stella%20gibbons%22&phrasesearch=stella%20gibbons&newspapertitle=the%2Bsphere (also, ISFDB says "Short Stories" in title but cover says "Stories"; title page needed to verify). --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:10, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: That leaves only "hc". Is that an assumption based on the cover and price? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:02, 7 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== A Shoal of Time ==<br />
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Which "Hamilton's 1972 collection" for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4954164 this update]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 06:10, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: There's only 1 1972 collection on Hamilton's ISFDB page: FLIES ON THE WALL. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:13, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Which does not necessarily mean that this is the only Hamilton 1972 collection - we keep finding editions and books even for authors we think we have everything cataloged for. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:32, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Ghost Flight ==<br />
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What is the source of the price [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4952028 here]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 06:15, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Source is the price printed on the cover, left side; Amazon page allows you to magnify and it clearly says $2.25. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:16, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Exorcist cover artist ==<br />
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You submitted a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4952510 name change] for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2055023 cover artist] for a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?585356 primary-verified copy of a book], but you didn't contact the PV to verify the spelling of the cover artist. Please contact them to verify the spelling of the artist's name as found in the copy of the book they have. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:34, 9 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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PV hasn't contributed since 2017. Also, ISBN-10 on ISFDB entered verbatim into openlibrary.org finds only a 1987 Bantam book named Sweeny's Honor, and entering it on Google verbatim brings up exactly 1 site, this one; entering it without dashes brings up a few pages of mostly Sweeny's Honor, but also a Worldcat page for the Exorcist and a Google Books Exorcist copy, plus sites that say "Sweeny's Honor" and "William Peter Blatty" together. So not only is artist name likely misspelled by the PV and art on this edition probably isn't even by him anyway but the ISBN is probably wrong or mixed up, too. So I've moved on to a hundred other things since I made this edit and now leave it up to you whether to do anything to correct these problems. --[[User:Username|Username]] 21:08, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:That's not the way things work here. We are not here to do everything for you. While we appreciate your contributions, we need to to contribute things within the rules of the site. Please post a note about this to the PV's talk page, and (since you say they haven't contributed since 2017) to the [[ISFDB:Community Portal]]. We can't be making changes just because you ''think'' the PV ''might'' have made a mistake. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:06, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Encyclopaedia of Horror ==<br />
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I approved your cover scan of this pub. Looking at the ISBN in bookfinder.com, most of the copies of the book for sale are in Europe and the sellers seem consistent in maintaining the given spelling of Encyclopaedia. The cover shown is the same as you proposed. I suspect that the book was published in both the U.S. and G.B., with the spelling depending on the country where published. Maybe the cover with the Brit spelling is available somewhere, but I haven't found it. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 20:12, 9 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Rootabaga Stories ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4960928 this submission]: When adding Internet Archive links, please ensure they are for the same edition and printing. The record you are editing is for the first printing, but the Internet Archive scan is of the fifth printing (as can be seen on the copyright page). You are welcome to clone the publication and make a record for the fifth printing. You can then add the Internet Archive link to that record. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:00, 10 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Cartoon: "By George, Kincaid, we we're right!" ==<br />
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Hello, I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4953361 your edit] on hold for a moment as I'm wondering if you can you confirm this isn't a typo in the magazine? If it is, it should stay as-is, and a note added to clarify.If you don't have a reference at hand, it's good practice to check in with the primary verifiers who can confirm. Thank you, regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:42, 10 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/Amazing_Stories_v31n10_1957-10_cape1736]; page 82 shows the correct spelling. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:59, 10 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Perfect! Thank you, regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:03, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Ghosties and Ghoulies'' and ''Tomorrow, Inv.'' page numbers ==<br />
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Hi. What's the source of the page numbers for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4953811 this submission] (''Ghosties and Ghoulies'')? There's no comment, and you didn't make yourself a verifier. I don't see anything in any of the linked secondary sources. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:47, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Same question about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4953811 this submission] (''Tomorrow, Inc.''). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:50, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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https://fantlab.ru/edition135000; https://fantlab.ru/edition267370. --[[User:Username|Username]] 12:57, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Sources II ==<br />
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Hi. When you add data from a secondary source, be sure to adjust the publication notes to reflect the source of the data. Information in notes to the moderator is helpful to the person processing the submission, but those do not become part of the record itself. So, for example, while making the publication date on {{P|588303|Konga}} more specific based on the picture you found on picclick is fine -- and giving me a pointer in the moderator notes was indeed helpful -- the source still needs to be documented in the publication record. I have done that in this case, so just something to keep in mind for future submissions. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:00, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Fantlab ==<br />
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FYI, the "External IDs" feature (on publications) knows about Fantlab. So if you find a relevant entry on Fantlab, you can link to it using their edition number. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:26, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: It's a Russian-language site, so as a proud American I don't feel comfortable linking to them; I enter info here for people to see. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:57, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: One thing to note is that we are a strictly bibliographic site. As such, we do not let our individual political, national, ethnic, ideological and other non-bibliographic preferences affect what we do here. Even our data acquisition robot, [[User:Fixer]], has reluctantly agreed not to pursue his AI supremacy agenda here :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:38, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Also, while they are a valuable source of info their quality control is awful (like many other sites); frequently info they write themselves is wrong, so I only enter info from actual photos of the books or if that's not possible I double-check their written info with at least 1 other site to make sure they got it right. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:57, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: You cannot have it both ways: If you are using them, you need to give them credit for the information (covers and/or data) and here, that means using the external ID and/or the templates (if you are using other edition's data). If you are not comfortable linking to them because of your nationality, then stop using them and stop plagiarizing their data with no attribution. <br />
:: This behavior is against the site's (Fantlab's) rules: "Любое использование материалов сайта допускается только с указанием активной ссылки на источник." which roughly translates as "Site materials can be used only if an active link to the source is included." If you are not willing to conform to their rules, you should NOT use any of their data. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:21, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: It all comes down to the same basic principle which has been repeatedly mentioned on this Talk page and elsewhere -- we need to state our sources. When adding data from FantLab, OCLC or another secondary source, we need to mention which FantLab/OCLC/etc record number the data comes from.<br />
::: If you find that a particular secondary source is not always reliable and use another secondary source to double-check the data, that's perfectly fine, but it needs to be documented in Notes. For example, see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?430831 this publication record], which says "Price stamped on the front flap of the original dust jacket as per Biblio.com and confirmed in Latrobe Bulletin." [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:38, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Request about prices ==<br />
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Hello. I have a request. As you're doing very valuable work and, a.o., are adding missing prices, could you also add in the notes field the other currencies as well (if present of course). The [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Price rules text] says: <br><br />
''British books are often priced for several other commonwealth countries such as Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Malta, Gibraltar, South Africa, East Africa, Trinidad (W.I.), and countries with a significant English-speaking population such as Spain and the Republic of Ireland. '''These additional prices are usefully entered in notes'''. Some of these countries also have pre-decimal formats based on the British pound and post-decimal formats similar to Dollar prices, and some have changed yet again to € (Euro) prices. If in doubt, enter these in notes exactly as stated.''<br><br />
That would be really appreciated. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:03, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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And also, as MartyD already pointed out above, could you add sources to the notes (or in the weblink multifield, as appropriate). Thanks! Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:20, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== She Waits ==<br />
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Hello, I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4956535 your submission] on hold, as it says 'bad checksum' for the ISBN you updated, but you didn't provide a reference for us to check. Can you double-check and provide a reference here? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:18, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Upper right cover corner; I just checked https://www.etsy.com/ca/listing/664652801/she-waits-by-henry-clement-1975-vintage, and there's a photo of the spine with the same ID, so if it's wrong it wouldn't be the first time a book had a bad ISBN; what the right one is, I don't know. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:05, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Hi folks. I was just passing through and noticed this. The ID on the cover of that book is an SBN, not an ISBN, and the -125 at the end is actually the $1.25 price. See [[Help:Screen:EditPub#ISBN|EditPub help]] for a little bit about this situation. One could derive an ISBN from it by adding the leading 0, dropping the price, and adding the missing checksum -- 2 in this case -- ending up with 0-445-00283-2. A favorite site of mine for ISBN analysis is https://www.isbn-check.com/ . Whether that is correct/appropriate or not, I don't know, but [https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0445002832/ Amazon agrees]. Current policy allows use of the derived ISBN on the record, with a note citing the fact that it's derived and providing the stated SBN. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:30, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks Marty. Approved & fixed the ISBN per Marty's explanation. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 10:42, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Is your caps lock stuck? ==<br />
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Please do not shout in notes (moderator ones and even more importantly the publication notes). <br />
Fixed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?375229 here]. Also please add in the note where in the book you find some information. Saying "PRICE FROM COPY ON INTERNET ARCHIVE" can mean anything from proper price to a sticker or a note somewhere. Specifying that the price is on the front flap allows a user to find it in their copy. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:47, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I did that so info I add stands out from other info; when I revisit records to fix or add (as I do constantly) it helps to know what's mine. I've already done about a dozen edits this morning, but if it annoys you future edits will have lowercase letters. --[[User:Username|Username]] 12:02, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: This is a public database, not your private sandbox. Shouting in any notes (or the wiki pages) is not acceptable. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:29, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== If It Had Happened Otherwise ==<br />
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When you post the source as [https://picclick.com/If-It-Happened-Otherwise-edited-by-JCSquire-124248007500.html this link] and nothing more, there are 12 images and some text on this page. If the handling moderator knows where to look, the front flap image is an obvious target. However, not everyone does (or had seen the site before) so it can take a long time to look through all of the images and find what you had seen there (and you can even miss it on a first pass if you do not know where it is supposed to be - some of these angled images can be a pain). <br />
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If you add "image 4" to the link in your moderator note and inside of your publication note you state "Price from the front flap (seen on a copy in picclick.com)" or "Price from the front flap (seen on a copy online)", that saves time for the processing moderator AND they do not need to rewrite your note. See how it looks [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?381932 now] compared to your "PRICE FROM COPY ON PICCLICK.". Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:55, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Username, this has been a recurring issue with your submissions and is becoming a problem for ISFDB moderators. Keep in mind that we process anywhere from 350,000 to 450,000+ submissions per year. If moderators had to spend as much time on researching every submission as they spend on your submissions, the approval process would slow down to a crawl. This is unacceptable. At this rate many moderators may simply stop working on your submissions since their time would be better spent elsewhere. In addition, the current situation wastes your time since moderators frequently ask you to clarify your sources. All of the above can be easily fixed by explicitly stating where the information comes from in Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:13, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Currently I have 250 or so edits awaiting approval. Many are cover images which don't require any notes so those are ready and waiting to be approved. As I explained somewhere here not long ago, the reason I leave info in moderator notes is firstly because when moderator checks they may find I made an error (although that rarely happens), and secondly because info that's entered in notes is not read by most people who use ISFDB, according to everything I've read on message boards; people mainly use it to find covers for old books they remember reading in their youth or to find where stories are, since many people request fiction from old mags and books through interlibrary loan and need to know exactly what pages to request (I've done that many times myself). --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:05, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: The ISFDB has tens of thousands of users and dozens of major contributors. They are all interested in somewhat different aspects of our data: individual authors, early pulps, works in certain languages, art, etc. If you want to concentrate on the types of data that is of interest to a certain subset of ISFDB users, e.g. the readers of certain message boards who wants to see old book covers, that's great. However, all submissions should meet a minimum set of standards, including stating where the data comes from. As I indicated below, this is non-negotiable. We make allowances for new editors who are still learning the ropes, but you have created over 4,000 submissions and have been repeatedly informed about this issue, so you are well past that point. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:40, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Although I have found many rare books and entered much info not found on any other sites, a large part of my time here is entering hundreds (thousands?) of missing covers and entering page #'s/verifying story titles, because I know that's what most of the people out there want. Going forward I think I will concentrate mainly on adding more covers and page #'s/corrected titles, since adding missing hardcover prices from their flaps or exact month of publication from copyright pages or whatever else requires adding note minutiae I'm not good at, obviously. Also, I think I shall return to what I originally was best at, the finding of rare stuff nobody else can. If I do the occasional edit from now on that requires notes, I'll remember to add them myself so no moderators will be upset. While we're all making suggestions here, let me take this opportunity to make some of my own. When approving my edits, moderators should try to start from the bottom and work their way up. They often approve at random and miss my notes from a prior edit related to a later one. Also, I've made dozens of entries spread out on all the wikis (Community, Help, Moderator, Verification) with many questions/interesting info/requests, etc. A few have been answered, sometimes helpfully, but most have gotten no responses, so let's get some. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:05, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Questions and observations about specific bibliographic topics may or may not be answered or commented upon depending on whether we have active editors knowledgeable about the raised topic and on whether they have the time to do additional research. Sometimes it takes weeks or months before another editor chimes in and provides additional information. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:48, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Let's all try to stop criticizing unpaid volunteers and concentrate on literature, shall we? --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:05, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: I'd like to chime in here. First (to get it out of the way), it's not because notes aren't read by most people that they shouldn't be entered - after all, there ''are'' people interested in knowing the source of the information available on ISFDB. That said, and as I've expressed earlier, you're doing a fine job of unearthing missing data. And it would make a hell of a lot of difference for us moderators (and for you too, since your submissions would be processed much faster) if you would add notes for us and other users along the lines Annie clarified above. It may get some used to, but I can't imagine that that would be an unsurmountable problem - at least from my perspective a win-win. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:17, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Peter Sellers (I) ==<br />
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What is the source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4962654 this update]. There is not a single site listed OR a moderator note. Considering that this was sent in the last few minutes after you were reminded about the rules again, this looks like a deliberate refusal to actually follow the rules of participation on the site. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:51, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: This is another example of how unsourced submissions waste everyone's time. It took me a number of Google searches and multiple minutes to find a source confirming that {{A|Peter Sellers (I)}} is the same person as the famous actor -- [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/anth/s233.htm Contento's "Miscellaneous Anthologies Index"]. Multiply it by 400,000 submissions per year and you can see how this is not a viable way of entering data into the database.<br />
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: BUREAUCRAT WARNING: If you continue refusing to clearly state where the data comes from in Notes, it will not only delay the processing of your submissions, but it will also fall under the "non-constructive or disruptive" clause of [[ISFDB:Policy]]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:09, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::I had an edit approved by a moderator recently where I discovered the Peter Sellers who wrote "The Wastrel" was the famous actor but was mistakenly in the same record as the Peter Sellers who wrote genre fiction in the 80's and 90's. The anthology where "The Wastrel" appears, https://archive.org/details/knightsofmadness0000unse, has an intro by Peter Haining on p. 228 of the book confirming it's Sellers the actor, not the writer. Now that a separate record has been created for Sellers the actor I figured it would be good to fill in bio info and provide a photo, so that's what I did. I'm not deliberately trying to be confusing, it's that some moderators are less concerned about exactness and trust I know what I'm talking about. As I said above, once backlog of my edits are cleared I'm going to stick mostly to adding covers and finding and adding info not found anywhere else on the current web, which is what I was mostly doing when I first started here. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:37, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks for the clarification. I have added a note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?292831 the title record] explaining where the identification of the author comes from. I have also changed "Peter Sellers (I)" to "Peter Sellers (actor)" as per [[Help:How to separate two authors with the same name]], which prioritizes the use of profession for disambiguation purposes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 09:46, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== And the Darkness Falls ==<br />
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Another one with no source (thanks for adding the note though): [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4962593 And the Darkness Falls]. <br />
: Where did you see the front flap?<br />
: As per the help page [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:CoverArt for covers]: "The cover designer (as opposed to the cover artist) is only entered in this field if he or she also did (parts of) the cover art. Otherwise the cover designer can be recorded in the note field." If the only credit on this flap is for the design, then a cover is not added. If there is another credit somewhere, please provide a source.<br />
The edit will need to be rejected (so we do not create a cover that then will need to be cleaned up) but if you provide a link where the flap is visible, I will edit the book after that to include both the Jacket design information and the source. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:01, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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I added external ID for Fantlab, which I was told to do by you recently, so I thought it was obvious where I got info from, but here it is: https://fantlab.ru/edition131050. See photo 6. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:40, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Adding an ID does not replace the note explaining the source. In the case of FantLab it provides the link that is required so that you can then attribute the exact information to them in the notes. Edit rejected and note and external ID added again as explained above. Let me know if you have any questions. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:50, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Open library and covers ==<br />
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When you find the cover there, please also add the Open Library ID into the external IDs. While the links on the left usually lead to the Open Library book correctly (if there is an ISBN to use), this is not true for older books or in some cases where the ISBN is reused or Open Library has more than one version for this ISBN. No need to add a note unless there is something interesting in the record. See how I did it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?207069 here]. Thanks! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:02, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I've probably already added several covers from that site since the one you linked, but when I use their covers in future I'll try to remember to add the ID. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:07, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: I'll add them to any I am approving if they cross my path. While it is not critical, it helps for non-verified books (showing that we are not the only ones believing that the book exists for example) and sometimes provide interesting details we lack (and which can go into the notes) :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:13, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Same request for FantLab covers (with the same reason). Fixed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?226381 here]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:32, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
(unindent) One small note on Fantlab images. When you copy them directly, they contain at the end a session information (?r=1603912742 for example). Pull that out (anything after the ? and the ? itself) - while keeping them does not seem to cause any issues at the moment, it is unclear if it might in the future (the same reason why we clean Amazon images from all Amazon formatting). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:20, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Nine Rocks / Internet Archive links ==<br />
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Hello. Just an FYI - we record titles as they appear in the book. In the Nine Rocks case in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?268366 this pub], this means that a new ''Nine Rocks'' title needed to be created, and then varianted to the original ''Nine Rocks in a Row'' title (I've done that here, have a look)<br />
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Also, when you are retrieving information from an Internet Archive copy, please add the link to the Webpages multifield iso buried into the Note to moderators. Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:48, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Song in the House ==<br />
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When you have a link such as https://www.amazon.co.uk/Song-House-Ann-BRIDGE/dp/B003AQ2G5I (an ASIN based Amazon link), there are two ways to record it in a publication. <br />
* If it belongs to the book itself, as was [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?547479 here], just record the ASIN in the ASIN field and then just mention Amazon (the correct one of the 16) in the notes (which you did here already).<br />
* If you are using it for a credit but the link is NOT for this edition, you can use a template instead: <nowiki>{{ASIN|B003AQ2G5I}}</nowiki> for example. All templates can be found [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Using_Templates_and_HTML_in_Note_Fields here].<br />
As a rule, Amazon links are not to be recorded in the Webpages links - they are either ISBN10 based (in which case the ISBN carries them) or ASIN based (then we use the ASIN field). I fixed it in the linked book. Thanks for finding this one! Please note that the ASIN field is only used for ASINs starting with B, the number only ones are ISBN10 and we already have that higher on the page. Let me know if you have any questions. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:19, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Forgetful Robot ==<br />
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Does "page #" [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?331270 here] means the "Pages" field or the page number for each story (aka the contents page numbers)? Also - let's use the word "number" and not "#" in sentences in the notes. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:50, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Contents page numbers. --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:53, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Note updated. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:44, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Ghost Story Treasury ==<br />
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What is the source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4960950 this variant]? As one of the anthologies has no contents, we need a source either with contents or showing one of them as a reissue of the other. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:07, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I found this, http://www.locusmag.com/index/b444.htm, which mentions first U.S. edition, so I think they're the same, just retitled; if not sufficient, just reject; children's books are often hard to get info for. --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:34, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Yep, that is good enough (the First U.S. edition (Kingfisher 1987) part at the end of the the US listing). I will add a note. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:14, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== British Books with two prices ==<br />
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You left a note about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?126061 this publication] which has both pre-decimal and decimal prices. If you check [[Template:PublicationFields:Price|this help section]], our policy is to reflect the pre-decimal price in the price field, so the existing record was incorrect. It's certainly also appropriate to reflect the decimal price in the notes. I'll correct this record, but wanted to call the standard to your attention. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:43, 15 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== It's for You ==<br />
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Where is the contents [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4959547 here] coming from? The Moderator note explains where the two dates are coming from but nothing about the rest of the stories or where the page numbers are coming from. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:16, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: https://www.amazon.com/Its-You-Keith-Minnion/dp/1950565084; (Look Inside). --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:13, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Approved with one note: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2855414 here] the date should be 2006, not 1989. We date the first appearance under that title. So I fixed that. And for the other story: we date when something is published officially; copyright and posting online can be added to the notes but are not used for dating. :) Thanks for finishing the contents. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:21, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== What Is Dungeons and Dragons? ==<br />
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If I approve [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4965935 this], it will change the data in a verified book. The PV is active so can you please discuss the change with him? If the credits are different, we will need variants. If they are the same, we need to fix BOTH the title records and the publications (once created, they need to be changed separately). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:23, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Apologies for interrupting, but FWIW, I had a copy of this as a kid (it may even still be lurking in a box somewhere at my parents' house) and I recall it having the 3 authors listed in this edit. My vague memory tells me that there wasn't much ISFDB-relevant in it though - maybe a chapter about fictional inspiration for RPGs - so I doubt it would be accepted as a new submission nowadays.<br />
: I notice [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?10337 John Butterfield] also has a bunch of earlier artwork for US pubs (at least the ones I've checked). I'm pretty sure that will be a different person - my (again very vague) recollection of this book is that the authors were all recent graduates from the same UK university, so it seems unlikely this person was also doing pro-art for US publishers 3-4 years earlier. I don't know how/where you might be able to prove that though... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 13:57, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Which is fine and I do not disbelieve the edit. BUT there is an active PV on one of the books and the site policies and common courtesy require someone to talk to them because they have the book and can open it and check (despite being Transient - it was January 2021 so there is a chance they still have access or remember better than someone who saw it last century ... :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:12, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: And yeah - seems like two different people. Let me do some more digging. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:39, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Companion ==<br />
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I thought we agreed above that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4966265 this kind of updates] will have notes added as well. I approved the previous one and added the note. I will approve this one and update again but can you please ADD notes? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:37, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I've been trying to add more notes since the above discussion but an edit that includes only a price that's on the cover which is on the ISFDB record and wasn't entered by prior editor for whatever reason doesn't require a note; notes are for info not visible like copyright pages and hardcover prices and whatnot. This series had the same price for all 15 books so price was obvious, anyway. I do so many of these edits every day that it's very tiring to remember to enter every last note and external ID and whatever else you all want, but I have been adding more. Perhaps it would be better if you just reject anything that you find something wrong with and explain what you need in the rejection note rather than sending message after message on my talk page. Or maybe you should confine your approval of my edits to only cover images which don't require anything else and leave the other edits to someone else. Unlike someone who I read on ISFDB recently who was complaining about how long it was taking to approve his edits, I really don't care how long it takes. I just add entries constantly, and when moderators approve them, they approve them. Take as long as you want. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:02, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: And all that can be added to the notes. I've mentioned before that there are users who have vision issues and some covers are not very clear. Adding a note takes a few seconds - either from your time or from someone else's. Asking a moderator to do it because you cannot be bothered is not very nice. No moderator should be approving edits with no clear sources in the notes - and some had been reminded to be careful around your edit because of your refusal to add notes. So if you ask the moderator team to reject any incomplete edits from you, we can do that easily enough. Instead I am trying to work with you so you do not lose your time finding information that will be rejected later. If you prefer straight rejections with explanation instead, sure - that works as well :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:09, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: I would prefer any edit I make from now on that you find fault with to be rejected with a note saying what was wrong with it rather than sending a message to my talk page which is now extremely long; I'm tired of seeing that yellow bar pop up with another message complaining about something. My info is almost always correct because I verify every edit I make, so the problem is not with the quality but the process. I've noticed since our discussion above that I'm slowly moving away from adding hardcover flap prices and exact months and all the other minutiae I've been doing the last few months and going back to adding more cover images and finding rare info nobody else can like I was when I started, so sometime soon these "adding notes" talks will be moot because I won't be doing anything that requires them, anyway. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:33, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::: One thing that I believe I mentioned earlier is that cover scan hosted by third party sites, including Amazon, can be transient. We have seen thousands of image URLS die over the years.<br />
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:::: On the other hand, the data that we store in the ISFDB database is backed up once a day, except for images, which are backed up once a week. We make our backups publicly available once a week and many people (all over the world) faithfully download them. In addition, our software is publicly available. Nothing short of a worldwide disaster on the level of dinosaur-killing asteroid will make it impossible to rebuild the ISFDB database. Think of any Note text that you add as your own personal slice of immortality :-)<br />
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:::: Re: price visibility, are you saying that you can easily read the price printed on [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51IWnJffnnL.jpg this cover scan]? If you are, you are better at pattern recognition that most humans. All I see is blurry white lines. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:49, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Swamp Witch ==<br />
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Please talk to the PV [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4966285 here]. This kind of changes should always be discussed with the PVs as you had been reminded more than once. Sometimes it may turn out that they have a slightly different edition than the one you found online. That's why we have the PV system. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:47, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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I cancelled my submission. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:05, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Wikipedia as a source ==<br />
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Hi. A word of warning about Wikipedia as a source: You can't necessarily trust information in Wikipedia articles. It's best to look at the cited references and try to find the original source for the information in the article. We need to be careful about propagating assumptions and/or outright errors. For example, your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4960968 proposed date change] for ''The Hunt for Red October'' based on Wikipedia's October 1, 1984. I poked around a little, and it's not clear October 1 is correct or the article's source for it. The [https://tomclancy.com/product/the-hunt-for-red-october Tom Clancy] site does say October 1, but the [https://www.usni.org/press/books/hunt-red-october ISNI Press] site says October 2.<br />
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BTW, I don't see why we shouldn't have listings for publications of that title. I'm checking to see what others think. I have your edit on hold. Assuming we should have publication records, a record for the first edition would be a better place to try to explain the above dating disagreement than in the title record. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:31, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:p.s. I got reminded of why we don't have publication records.... :-) Oh well. So I accepted the submission but removed the day (so just dated October 1984), and I added a note stating the publication date is uncertain, explaining the discrepancy and linking the above sources. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:14, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::The Catalog of Copyright #TX0001475353 puts 1984-10-03 as the official registered date of publication. The registration was accepted on 1984-10-29.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 10:03, 22 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Nice find. I expanded the notes, adding that, with [https://publicrecords.copyright.gov/detailed-record/13828104 this link] (probably not permanent, but it looks likely to get a permanent replacement someday). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:22, 24 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Linking translations ==<br />
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To link a translation to the original title, we use "Make This Title a Variant" -- the translation is the "child"/variant, and the original is the "parent"/canonical title. So where you discovered the missing introduction in {{P|368060|Cold House}}, the linking necessarily had to wait for the approval of your submission that added it. Then one could go to {{T|2298089|Einleitung (Das kalte Haus)}} and make it the variant of the newly added title, which I have done. Now both of the titles show the relationship to the other, and if you take a look at {{P|645515|Das kalte Haus}}, you'll see the German introduction is annotated as a translation of Ketchum's English introduction.<br />
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The complementary scenario exists when adding a new title that's a translation of an existing title -- the relationship between new and existing needs to be established in the other direction, but doing so still has to wait for the new title to be created. So what you did with making a note to the moderator about the translation relationship between the new title and the existing title is perfect; the moderator processing the submission can know to go make the variant relationship while processing the submission. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:45, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Quest: 1972 ''Exorcism''(s) ==<br />
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I can see the covers on the edition of Exorcism [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?835576 you submitted] and on the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359576 previously existing record] are different, with both clearly showing the W101Z, $1.25 and Lexington Press. It would be interesting to know how those two editions are related. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:56, 25 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Yes, it would; the publisher has no other books on ISFDB. This, http://www.bradmiddleton.ca/2020/02/exorcism-1971-by-eth-natasor-was-it.html, gives a good review of the book but just mentions the "alternate cover"; the reason I added that cover here is because it's an actual cover and not just some text on a black background like the other one, plus it's really stupid. I see that searching on Worldcat for "all editions" gives a 1972 Lexington House ed. but also a 1974 Manor Books ed., which I see you added 2 printings of, but Worldcat says the later ed. is also 190 pages, so you may want to add that, too; searching for Eth Natas gives only 2 hits, this book and an encyclopedia article which gives an error page if you click on it; searching for a Lexington House in Jamaica, N.Y. gives only this book so apparently they were one-and-done. This, https://www.etsy.com/listing/938956379/exorcism-witchcraft-possession-the-dead, shows the back cover of the Manor ed.; this, https://www.amazon.co.uk/Exorcism-Eth-Natas/dp/0532122062, gives an ISBN. Hope this helps, MartyD. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:53, 25 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== John R. Holt pseudonym of Raymond Giles? ==<br />
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I stumbled upon [https://www.librarything.com/author/holtjohnr this] LibraryThings statement. Currently those two authors are not linked with each other in the ISFDB. Do you agree that {{a|John R. Holt}} is a pseudonym of {{a|Raymond Giles}}? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:04, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Yes. It's mentioned several places on the web, but this is a good one: https://darkeyesoflondon.blogspot.com/2020/12/. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:33, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks for the confirmation. I've linked both authors and made Giles the canonical name. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 17:16, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Judgement vs. Judgment ==<br />
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Hello. I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4972212 your edit] on hold for a moment. Could you check with SFJuggler (by leaving a note on his talk page) whether it's indeed a typo, or if it's written as Judg'''e'''ment Day on the title page instead? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:12, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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PV said it's his typo, and my edit is correct. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:27, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And approved! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 17:37, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Fifth Season ==<br />
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On your submissions for "The Fifth Season" and "People of the Night". Looking at the pictures, both sure look like they are stapled and are therefor ph. And all the stories in "The Fifth Season" should be short stories; how can any story in a collection 40 pages long be anything else? [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 15:20, 27 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Timothy Mulcahy ==<br />
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What is the source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4978840 this]? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:17, 8 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:He has a website, timmulcahy.com, but I don't see any definite links between the stories in both records on ISFDB, so it can be rejected. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:43, 9 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Yeah, unfortunately that website only mentions the "Birth Screams of Angels" story. I added the website to {{A|Tim Mulcahy}} based on that, but rejected the variant. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:19, 9 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== A Different Drummer ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4984120 this submission]: Is the Internet Archive copy you found [https://archive.org/details/differentdrummer00kell_1 this one]? Or is there another version I'm not seeing? The reason I ask is that is a copy of the third printing per the number line so it's not clear if the date is for the original printing or that third printing. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:19, 16 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: That's the one; the foreword is copyright 1989 so it's a new edition, but it also says the original Anchor edition was 1969, which is also on ISFDB with no cover; looking online it seems to have a different cover, so they updated a few things for this one. I almost added the wrong cover to the 1989 book because Amazon had some other cover which is for another edition. You may be right about the third printing, but the price other editor entered was much higher than the 1 on the archive.org copy, so why would the 1st printing be more expensive than the 3rd? Also, there's a note about Amazon saying it's from May 1990, so I'm not sure about all this, but since PV is no longer active and my info came from an actual copy of the book, I think we should go with mine, and if someone else has a copy of the first printing with a 1989 date on the back cover they can always enter that on ISFDB as another edition; book on archive.org says 0690 on back so if PV had a copy of the book it should have a similar --89 date, but I guess they missed that and just used date on copyright page. Adding a note that the archive.org copy is the 3rd printing would be good, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:04, 16 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
::The copyright page has "Anchor Books Editions: 1969, 1989" so seems like 1989 would be the correct year for this first printing and the "0690" would be for the third printing. The price is suspect, but prices can change between printings. Yes, it would be nice to be able to ask the verifier to double check the price and if there is a date code on the back. But as they are no longer active, we cannot and we have to go with the information we have. We create separate records for each printing so I have cloned the record and created a third printing. I sourced that to the archive.org scan. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:47, 18 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Incomplete cover ==<br />
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Hello username! It was kind of you to add a cover to my verified book [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?753227 Weltraum Nr. 1], but it's incomplete. In the middle of the cover there is still a painting. Greetings Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 08:40, 17 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Drive In The Bus Tour ==<br />
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I approved your submission of changes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?312004 The Drive In: The Bus Tour], even with the new cover scan. The original scan was much better IMHO. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 15:40, 19 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
: The cover I added shows full art including what's on the back. It may be a little glossy when small like a lot of small-press hardcovers, but clicking makes it bigger and much easier to see the art. ISFDB's policy of shrinking all images down has the unfortunate side effect of making a lot of covers and author images hard to see; some display better when clicked or opened in a new tab, some don't; this one does. And if the cover art is continued on the back cover it's usually better to use that so users can see it in full, unless the image is so bad that it's not feasible to use it. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:22, 19 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Black Dog / Queta Non Movere ==<br />
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Hello, can you provide source for your varianting statement [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4993714 here]? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:45, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:I discovered this months ago and left a message on ISFDB asking if anyone knew more; months passed and nobody answered so I decided to enter it. The original edition of Dark Encounters and a recent Polygon edition use the original title, but the 1984 John Goodchild edition decided to use the title here, https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbchomeservice/basic/1961-10-12. I suspect they changed it because people these days wouldn't understand the Latin title so they gave it a more "horror-y" title. Online reviews that discuss "Quieta Non Movere" mention a black dog so they're the same story. There's a copy of the 1984 edition on Google Books and on Fantlab, https://fantlab.ru/edition219644. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:03, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: I've approved the varianting, and added a note to the Black Dog title record, stating Fantlab has this as 'Quieta Non Movere'. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 10:57, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::I'm glad to finally get this info entered on ISFDB; one change I would suggest, though, is making the note refer to the BBC link I provided above, since that is the only hit I got when I searched on Google for the "Black Dog..." title and is probably when the title was originally changed. The "Black Dog..." title doesn't link to Fantlab on Google because in their usual sloppy fashion they list titles from 1963 edition on 1984 edition's page and forgot to change the title from "Quieta..." to "Black Dog...", so the only way people would know the title was changed is if they clicked on the photos from the book. Another thing is I decided to search Internet Archive for the "Black Dog..." title and again got only 1 hit, https://archive.org/details/Radiocorriere-1961-41, so there's 1 more bit of proof that this was the title they used for radio. Why only the 1984 edition of Dark Encounters decided to use that title is anyone's guess. I will add an edit now with the external ID for Fantlab so people can go there if they want to see the photos. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:32, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Sure, feel free to add the two references into the pub notes (and URL in the web multifield). Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 06:54, 30 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Making of The Wizard of Oz ==<br />
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Hello! I approved your submission of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?252547 The Making of The Wizard of Oz] and correct your wrong ISBN record. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 15:24, 6 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Danke. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:30, 6 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== [no subject] ==<br />
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Where exactly did you get the impression that I have a problem with people disagreeing with me? That's a problem of yours, not mine. <br><br />
It's difficult to get across subtle nuances online, but you seemed to get prickly when I asked if you were a moderator. Why? I was just wondering if maybe you could approve the change for me. <br><br />
I'm just as good an editor as you, although not as prolific. Sometimes I make mistakes, but I catch them and fix them. I'm fully aware of every missing link in every issue I've entered, and why it's missing. You couldn't be sure of that, of course, and I appreciate you trying to help. I also really appreciated your kind words about my efforts to add Fangoria, and your offer of help. I wish I'd said so.<br><br />
You say "tantrum", I say "prank". It's your six-month anniversary, and one of the better editors should surely have a biography!--[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 01:22, 18 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Username? It would help if you answered those two questions, please.--[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 04:28, 26 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
When you forgive my sarcasm (which trumps rudeness!), I'd like to take you up on your offer of help with Fangoria. If you want to verify the issues that you have, or add anything that belongs, that would be great.--[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 21:21, 28 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Jason Alexander ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5036748 this submission]: It looks like {{A|Jason Alexander}} is multiple people. The only record I was able to confirm to be by the actor is "Dad, Are You The Tooth Fairy?" (plus probably the two interviews). Are you aware of any others? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:17, 21 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
:The 1978 novel is not by the actor since he was only 18 or 19 at the time; the publisher has 5 books on Open Library, and 1 by Alexander is readable, revealing that author is a Libertarian Ayn Rand type. The art is all within the same time period so most likely is by the same artist. So the actor wrote the Tooth Fairy book and the 2 interviews are with him also because there's lots of info online about him appearing on Trek. That leaves the essay; no info online about which Alexander wrote that, but if I had to guess it's by the artist. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:57, 21 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Yup, that was my thought. I will divide them up. By the way, I moved your response from my talk page over to here as it keeps the conversation together. That allows someone else in the future to more easily figure it out if they have questions. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:25, 21 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Dangerous Red ==<br />
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I approved you submission for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2721847 Dangerous Red], but you need to clone the pub under that title and enter the 2003 edition in edition to the new edition. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 15:22, 3 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Moorstones ==<br />
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Hello, could you check [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=0907349307&type=ISBN]? It has two publication records with identical ISBN, but different publishers. (2nd one is the one you cloned [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5066858 here]). Is this expected? Or must the ISBN of the Spindlewood edition be removed? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:57, 27 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I asked about this myself on Community Portal under "Moorstones". Since edition I entered came from the actual book on Archive.org I would trust that and assume the ISBN for later edition was taken from some online info that had the wrong one; of course it's possible they both use same ISBN, so someone needs to produce the Salem edition to check. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:18, 27 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::The Salem House edition info is copied from Locus. They could be wrong about the ISBN.--[[User:Chris J|Chris J]] 19:34, 30 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Delete notes ==<br />
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Hello! I hold your submission of ''Our Gang (Starring Tricky and His Friends)''. Are you sure that you want to delete all notes? Regards Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 08:10, 30 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: That was an extra note about the quote on last page; don't know why it thinks I wanted to delete previous notes, way the software works I guess, but it's an extra note, not meant to replace previous ones. --[[User:Username|Username]] 08:46, 30 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: I've approve your submission and restore the notes. [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 09:08, 30 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Grey Matter Variant ==<br />
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Hi Username -<br />
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I'm holding your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5069181 edit] to change the date to 1978 for the variant of King's story with the title as "Grey Matter"? Our earliest appearance of the story with that spelling is now November 1987, after your edits to the Pan publication. I'll also note that you really should have checked with the verifier of that book before submitting those edits. I had to contact them and make sure it was OK before approving them. They noted that there is a 1978 copyright date but, but the book doesn't indicate what title was used for the 1978 publication. I'll change the record to 1987 for now and continue to hold your edit depending on your source. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:53, 1 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: The story was published in an American porn mag and then collected in Night Shift in 1978. It was Gray in America but Grey in England, and since the English edition also came out in '78 that was its first appearance. I brought this up somewhere on the boards months ago and 1 of you responded saying that every book where the story appears would need to be checked to see how it's spelled, so now I got the ball rolling; others can check their copies or online and verify if it was spelled Grey in all other British publications, whether Night Shift editions or Pan Books or anything else. Sometimes I notice a book was PV'd and check with them first, sometimes I don't. I was on my way out of here recently until a hurricane and terrorists made it impossible for me to travel. The barbarians are at the gate, so the fact I'm still here is a miracle; that may not be true much longer. --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:53, 1 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
::First off, stay safe wherever you are. You didn't really answer the question. You assert that all UK editions have the variant title and that it was first published in the UK in 1978. Where did you get those pieces of information? We do not list a 1978 UK edition. There is none listed in Contento1, which is our chief source for pre-1984 collections. Worldcat has one record published by Hodder & Stoughton and one by New English Library, both for 1978, but neither records list the contents. I'm going to reject the edit to change the variant date for now. If you have a source you can cite, we can revisit this. Lastly, checking with active verifiers when you are changing the spelling of content is not optional. You need to do that every time. It's especially important when you don't have a source for your information as it appears you did not in this case. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:39, 1 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: www.stephenkingcollector.com/identifyingUK1st.html; www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=Stephen+King+First+Editions:Night+Shift+-+Trade+HC+UK; https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/9047442.pdf (spells it GREY and even says what pages it's on); 1978 was NEL's HC Night Shift date; most King books were published in America and Britain close together. The reason why the British edition is not on ISFDB isn't because it doesn't exist but because nobody ever bothered to enter it. Sounds unlikely, but I've entered many editions by very well-known authors (Straub, Koontz, etc.) which should have been here but weren't. The Pan Book of Horror Stories definitely says "GREY Matter" because I actually found a photo of the contents page, and it seems that it was the only British anthology that story ever appeared in, at least as far as ISFDB says, so the only question now is whether all of the many British editions of Night Shift spell it that way, which seems very likely to me. So the British spelling's date almost certainly originates from the 1978 NEL Night Shift, but if you don't want to change it that's on you. As for checking with PV's, there was a time when I never checked because in almost every case my changes turned out to be correct, but eventually I started checking and have done so many times, but often I forget since I'm only human. --[[User:Username|Username]] 21:31, 1 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::: https://www.booksandyou.in/product/night-shift1; the cached Google version still works, and includes a photo showing contents with "Grey Matter"; ISBN matches British editions on ISFDB but price is different, so it's some unknown printing. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:15, 3 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Bad Candy ==<br />
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Posted an answer on my [[User_talk:MagicUnk|talk page]] [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:MagicUnk#Bad_Candy here]. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:50, 6 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Type change of ''The X-Files Book of the Unexplained, Volume II'' ==<br />
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Could you please confirm [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5076872 this update] with SFJugger first? That would be appreciated. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:35, 8 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I think you meant SFJuggler. There's nothing really to confirm, since the first volume is NF on ISFDB; he just made a mistake and entered it as a collection. Also, see this link under Non-fiction books; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_X-Files_literature. If y'all disagree you can cancel my edit, that's fine. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:43, 8 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks. I've accepted the submission, and added the link to the Moderators notes for reference. And it's not really about disagreeing (I'm impartial, as I don't have any interest either way), it's about confirming and ensuring a primary verifier agrees with your suggested update. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:04, 8 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Adding covers found in other editions ==<br />
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When you are adding a cover artist because the art matches that of another publication already in the database. Please don't simply add the name of the artist to the publication record. This will result in a new COVERART title record which will then require an additional edit to merge it with the other title record from the source publication. A better approach would be to import the COVERART title used in the other publication(s) into the publication where it is missing. For example, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5084890 this edit] would create a new title which would then need to be merged with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1140800 this existing] title record. Instead, just grab the Title Record # from the existing record (1140800) and use the Import Content tool (Option 2) to add the COVERART to the publication. This way, you won't have to go back and submit merge edits. Let me know if you have any questions. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:07, 16 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Moby Dick ==<br />
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HI! The official title is "Moby Dick; Or, The Whale" , would this be better as the parent and Moby Dick as the variant?[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 20:05, 28 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Wikipedia says The Whale as a 3-volume book in GB and Moby Dick as a single volume in America. --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:12, 28 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Stupid Amazon has piles of books with that title! Should have read more of the Wiki article :/[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 20:38, 28 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Open library link in "Death and Resurrection" ==<br />
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Please explain the open library link [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362571 here]. It should obviously be in one of the editions of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1325558 New Cthulhu: The Recent Weird]. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 03:54, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Prior editor wrote note about wrong ISBN on copyright page vs. right ISBN on back cover; Open Library page for Death and Resurrection has no Archive.org link but the page I linked to does; my note explains about right author but wrong title. Clicking Preview shows MacAvoy's book. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:48, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: So write a more comprehensible note. No one understands this as it is now. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 10:54, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: It's perfectly comprehensible. There's some other editor's note about different ISBN's, and there's my new note about how the Open Library page I linked to shows wrong title but right author. I don't usually link directly to non-public domain books on Archive.org because many of them aren't supposed to be there and often get taken down after complaints. I have a feeling you're just being difficult because of my refuting of all your hostile messages recently. If that's the case, you don't have to check my edits anymore. There's many other people working here. Or you can be professional and act like an adult. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:01, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::: This has nothing to do with being hostile. Clicking the link you provided brings you to [https://openlibrary.org/books/OL26775558M/New_Cthulhu_The_Recent_Weird this page]. It shows the cover of 'New Cthulhu: The Recent Weird' which is obvously wrong. How do you expect people to know that it shows the right edition after clicking through if you don't explain this in the note? <br />
:::: I'll be perfectly happy if you don't touch my primary verifications anymore, that would save me a lot of wasted time. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 11:21, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::: In order not to receive any more of your messages about this issue, I will add an extra note to that record explaining in exact detail that the Preview link must be clicked in order to read MacAvoy's book, for all the slow adults out there who can't figure out how to click a button. I also just added a message on Community Portal about this topic, so now it's preserved for the ages. You also spelled obviously incorrectly. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:28, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::As the other verifier of this publication record, I have to object to this. It seems completely bizarre to me to include a link to the OL record for the Guran anthology in the record for the MacAvoy novel in order to provide a link to the archive record that happens to be incorrectly linked from OL record. Why not simply add the internet archive link directly? You mention that you don't want to for fear of it being taken down. If it is taken down, why would the OL still have it. I also have to reiterate (how many times have I asked you before?) that you need to check with the verifiers before making this sort of change. Had I been consulted first, I would have told you not to link to the wrong book, and I suspect from these comments that Willem would have agreed. I'm going to back out these changes and link to the internet archive directly. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:11, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: I don't know what's in the air recently, but you people are making way too big a deal about this. If you want to complain, complain to Prime Books for printing Death and Resurrection's ISBN in New Cthulhu. The Open Library page for Death and Resurrection has no Preview button to click, so anyone visiting that page would think the book is not readable at the Archive, so I provided an OL link to the page that actually has the Preview button which takes you to Death and Resurrection; wrong cover and title mean nothing, since it's the double ISBN's in the book itself that are responsible for the confusion. I've noticed you frequently add archive.org links to records for books that are not public domain; that's risky, since many are taken down due to copyright complaints; one of my first edits here on ISFDB was for a Noel Langley story from Saturday Evening Post that was reprinted in his 1950 collection under a different title; it still hasn't been changed because by the time I started editing here those issues were all gone because of copyright issues, so I was never able to prove it. So you can add whatever you want to, but when they come calling you'll have to deal with them. I don't appreciate your hostile tone, especially since I did a good thing by adding a link to a book that would have otherwise gone unread by most. Also, why would I contact PV about adding an external ID; I'm not changing anything you did. You rarely have anything positive to say and only message me when you have a complaint about something trivial like this; if I had a dollar for every time I've had to fix wrong info and saw your name as the one who entered that info I'd be rich, so get off your high horse. When I contacted your friend up there months ago to let him know I'd done some changes on a book he PV'd he responded with extreme rudeness, so if you want me to contact PV every time I make some change, even if it's unnecessary as in this case, then maybe y'all should learn how to respond like adults. I've been 1 of the most prolific editors here this year, and was ready to take a long break recently, until circumstances beyond my control put a stop to that, but if I continue to receive constant complaints about my work that may change. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:48, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Please do not edit archived discussions ==<br />
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I have reverted [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB%3ACommunity_Portal%2FArchive%2FArchive50&diff=613373&oldid=608314 your edit]. If you need to post an update to the discussion, please don't edit the archived discussion pages. Very few people will see anything posted on the archived discussion pages, so anything impportant posted there will be unseen by most everyone. Instead, please post it on the appropriate discussion page as a new topic (in this case, on the [[ISFDB:Community Portal]] page). I recommend doing that for this one, and then link to the [[ISFDB:Community Portal/Archive/Archive50#Missing Cover for Blood Rare|archived discussion like this]]. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:01, 1 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I'm the one who wrote the original message; finding the cover by accident more than 6 months later, I went back and added a note about that. Nobody responded during that 6+ months, so I doubt anyone cares that I finally found the cover; if they ever look for that book they'll see the cover in its record. I was writing the note to myself, as I've done with several other recent findings by me for old messages I left that no one ever answered, so that when I look back over all my messages as I do sometimes I know which ones were solved. No need for a new topic because the case is closed. Most of my very numerous messages have never been answered, so if I want to talk to myself, だから何だ? --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:38, 1 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::I understand. Please don't edit archived discussion, however. I suspect the one of the biggest reasons so many of your messages don't get answered is because there are so many of them it's hard for anyone to keep up with them. It might be good to make a user sub-page to keep track of them, and ask people to follow that. Then you can keep track of which have been answered there. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:07, 1 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Translations ==<br />
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As you are venturing into translations, a few notes:<br />
* We need the translator up on the title level so we know which titles need merging if there are multiple publications. I fixed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2926829 this one]<br />
* We have a template for recording the translators - Tr. You can see in the example above how it is used. It is one of those "if one day we start recording translators" preparations. When you do not add it or do not use the template, it pops up on a report and someone will need to fix it later. <br />
* For Spanish, our external ID LTF stands for https://tercerafundacion.net/ - which is a good place for additional verification and data for Spanish language books. They definitely do not have everything but when they do, they have more information than most. So if you plan to work on Spanish, you may want to check them occasionally.<br />
Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:25, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I wasn't venturing into translations, it was just a random book I came across while searching for other things. I was surprised it wasn't here already so I took a shot at entering it; I entered most info correctly, and points you brought up are ISFDB-specific, not related to the book itself. I also was on that LTF page before I entered the info but didn't know ISFDB had an external ID for them. I barely comprehend English so when I enter one of my very rare new publications for a foreign-language book it's because it interested me in some way, not because I have any interest in entering foreign editions. I'm running on fumes here, so even working on English-language publications doesn't interest me much anymore. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:40, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Which is fine - but if you do translations, keep these in mind. You had the translator, it was just in the wrong notes. So I am stopping by with an advice on how to reduce the number of edits needed later when you add translations. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:48, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The High Holidays are over, but… ==<br />
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Forgiven me yet? :'( --[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 03:09, 16 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Unexplained edits affecting verified publications ==<br />
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Hi. This [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5121886 submission] is a good example of where you could save moderators a lot of work. You propose to change a title that appears in multiple verified publications, at least one of which has an active primary verifier. You provided no note explaining why (yes, it looks like an obvious misspelling, but what makes you think it's incorrect?), you did not check with the verifier, and the main secondary source -- Locus1 -- has the spelling as recorded in the entry. I did the Locus1 check, I asked MLB to confirm the spelling in the book he verified, and now I'm leaving you a note. Maybe others skipped over it due to lack of explanation and following of process; maybe someone else would have rejected it outright. But for me, what could have taken a few seconds to process has turned into many minutes (and I'm still not done with it). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]]<br />
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: Well, there's this, [https://www.picclickimg.com/00/s/MTYwMFgxMjAw/z/uQEAAOSwlRBg3pQW/$/Jack-Ketchum-Exit-at-Toledo-Blade-Boulevard-_57.jpg], where it's spelled SLEAZY, and there's also this, https://www.amazon.com/Peaceable-Kingdom-Jack-Ketchum/dp/1477806547, where searching inside gives 1 hit for SLEAZY but no hits for SLEASY, and there's a note saying the 47North edition was taken directly from the Leisure edition, so the spelling would be the same there, too. There's also the fact that searching Google for the title with the wrong spelling only lists a handful of sites, with ISFDB first and Locus next, with the few other sites obviously having taken their info directly from ISFDB. So what probably happened, as happens very often, is Locus lists wrong info (like every other online site), editor here copies it verbatim without verifying from an actual copy, and the wrong info remains, sometimes for a decade or more, until I come along and fix it, as I've done thousands of times before, because I do check physical copies or online scans of physical copies and never trust what some online site tells me. Also, 1 PV hasn't been here since 2019, 1 is in German so the title would be in German, too, and the other PV, MLB, has told me before, as have others, that if I fix something like this to just go ahead without contacting them because in almost every case my fix turns out to be correct. Thanks to Username for fixing this; you're welcome. --[[User:Username|Username]] 08:45, 18 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Wow. Thanks for the feedback. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 09:55, 18 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: As we discussed in the past, this information should be included in the submission. Moderators do not have the time to replicate this kind of in-depth research and there is no reason to force them to re-do something that you have already done. As the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/newpub.cgi?Anthology New Publication Web page] says in the "Source of Data" section, if the submitted data comes from "Other website, later printing/edition or another source", the source should be explained in the Publication Note field. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:32, 19 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Blue World type change ==<br />
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There are six PVs on this title, and only one of them was contacted regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5125135 changing this] from SHORTFICTION (novella) to NOVEL. Did you actually do a word count estimate? Your note didn't indicate that (rather stating only that it was "novel length in every edition it appears in". Please contact them and have them comment here. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:37, 20 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I only contacted 1 PV because they're the only active one, as I explained in my note to Taweiss where I said YOU'RE THE ONLY ACTIVE PV. Also, a word count is unnecessary because every edition on ISFDB has a page count for "Blue World" well above a novella as described on ISFDB's Wiki for what constitutes novella-length. It's probably just the usual where it was called a novella when originally entered and then copied without anyone actually noticing it's novel-length. Thanks for fixing this, Username. You're welcome. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:09, 20 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Keep in mind that using page count to estimate the word count depends greatly on the font size, margin size, page size, and other things. Additionally, the page counts are referring to the collection it appears in. I don't see any instance where ''Blue World'' has appeared all by itself in any volume. Our listings show only appearances in collections. And while the page counts for this story (ranging from about 133-199) seem to indicate it's likely over 40,000 words, until Taweiss responds, we don't have any way to know. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:26, 20 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Sorry for the delay. Traveling for work. With a length of 174 pages, and around 50K works, it's a novel. [[User:Taweiss|TAWeiss]] 08:58, 23 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::No worries. Thanks for chiming in. The submission has been approved. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:38, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Freebird? ==<br />
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What was the purpose of posting a link to [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiCZFhEpRDI this YouTube clip], which I have removed from the Community Portal? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 22:17, 31 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I see that you are back, creating submissions and responding on Talk pages. I have put your last batch of submissions on hold. Please answer the question above. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:00, 2 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: I'm not back; the Talk page I responded to was for a question I asked nearly 9 months ago which the PV, Chavey, finally answered by asking me for a link to the record I was asking about instead of just typing the title himself, so I provided him that link; the Shroud Magazine submissions were just a passing fancy while checking my recently approved edits and noticing that the contents of most Shroud issues are on Philsp.com, including 1 short story in the same issue as the essay I imported recently, which led me to import it (and changing the date to match) and then, as usual, going the extra mile by importing 3 Derek M. Fox essays I noticed were never imported, either (someone imported a 4th Fox essay years ago and varianted it because I became 1; I don't know if that's correct so someone else will have to decide about that). I'm not doing my usual dozens/100+ edits a day for the foreseeable future, but if I feel the need to add something here and there I will. The title of the YouTube clip explains itself. God Bless America, Impeach Biden, Trump 2024. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:09, 2 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks for the explanation. I have released the hold on the submissions.<br />
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::: Let me reiterate and clarify what I said [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Username#Fantlab on your Talk page back in April] and then again [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Anniemod#Gorey on Annie's Talk page on October 29]. The ISFDB is a strictly bibliographic project. Some of our contributors are from countries which were at war with each other not so long ago. We have contributors from across the ideological spectrum. If we were to allow politics on Wiki pages, the project would implode. For these reasons political statements are not allowed here. Please keep this in mind and act accordingly going forward. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:59, 2 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Buzzelli's [A] Gift of Evil ==<br />
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Could you double check the title page of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?823891 this] publication. Both Reginald3 and Worldcat have the title as "A Gift of Evil". I'll be adding the external IDs for those two sources. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:47, 4 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Reginald also notes Roman numbered pages through xi, though Worldcat does not. If you could verify that as well, it would be appreciated. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:51, 4 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: It's Gift of Evil on front and back covers, title and copyright pages, and every left-hand page in the book; the Prologue starts on vii and ends on xi. --[[User:Username|Username]] 21:56, 4 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::I updated the page count. I also added a note about the discrepancy with the secondary sources which will hopefully prevent someone else from asking you the same question again. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:56, 5 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Screwup ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5147311 this submission]: The Internet Archive [https://archive.org/details/maddogsummerothe00joer/page/n9/mode/2up scan] of the hc anthology shows the title as "Screwup" (both on TOC and title page). Is there a specific version you believe is "Screw Up"? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:37, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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: The scan is of Lansdale's collection; the anthology is 'Til Death Do Us Part, which is on Google Books; I believe I provided a link in 1 of those edits, but I can't rightly recall 'cause it's been so long. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:47, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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::Your edit would change the collection and not the anthology. Your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5147310 prior edit], would create a new record for the anthology, but that cannot be edited until it is accepted. You were changing the original record which would remain the one for the collection. I have accepted the unmerge, rejected the title change, changed the new record for anthology, and varianted them together. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:06, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: Dude, that was a quality stream of info there. I'll take your word for it that everything's correct now, so thanks. Variants are my kryptonite. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:23, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Boy Scouts Year Book of Ghost and Mystery Stories ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5157750 this submission]: Thank you for finding this. For a number of the authors being changed, these were the only stories in the database for them and the author records had data. Due to how the software works, that would have resulted in the existing author records and their data being deleted and new ones created. To not loose the existing author data, I edited the author records instead. As I wasn't sure how this would impact your submission, I duplicated the changes in another edit vs. approving yours. Long winded way of saying, I had to reject your edit, but not because there was anything wrong - just an artifact of how the software handles author name changes. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:42, 25 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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: OK. EDIT: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1622565; I think that note isn't needed anymore since title was fixed; "Riddle of Bat Cove" gets no hits on Google while "Riddle of Bat Cave" gets a few hits; also this one: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1622555, where title was also fixed. EDIT: I just went ahead and did some cleaning up of notes, but whoever entered them had trouble keeping them uniform, with some including a name, a few including alternate names, some having no names, and eventually just getting tired of using the word "appeared". It was messy, but I think I cleaned up most of it; however, you may have to fix a few things in those stories where alternate names are entered; I noticed Whitfield's story had an empty record for Raoul, while Raoul F. was filled in. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:05, 25 November 2021 (EST)<br />
::Edits accepted. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:23, 26 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Psychic Fair ==<br />
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What are you trying to achieve with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5164235 this edit]? You are unmerging all the contents which would leave a blank record. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:02, 4 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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: George M. O'Har published the PB Psychic Fair and then many years later it was reprinted but he dropped the M. Whoever entered these new editions didn't variant them to his full name and 1 edition was in the same record as the original while the other was standalone. I varianted the standalone and I think that's OK, but I thought the edition merged with the original had to be unmerged first before varianting it. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:17, 4 December 2021 (EST)<br />
::In looking at it some more, the Vivisphere Publishing edition still under George M. O'Har was a duplicate (same ISBN, same format, same date, same price, etc.) of the other. I deleted it. We should be all good now, but let me know if I missed something. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:37, 4 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?162842; I had a similar situation with a stray on some other book recently and a couple of mods had to decide how to fix it; I guess you know if this one needs fixing, too. After that, I guess this is all done. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:41, 4 December 2021 (EST)<br />
::::{{A|George O'Har|162842}} needed to be made an alternate name of {{A|George M. O'Har|5046}}. Fixed. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:15, 5 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== When You Look Down to Find Yourself Going But Not Yet Gone ==<br />
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There were no notes included with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5189192 this submission] for changing the date. The publication is PVd by [[User talk:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]], too, and I don't see any indication this change was discussed. The submission is on hold until you discuss the change with the PV and provide a reason for the change. I'll keep an eye here for that. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:10, 6 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Because the book the poems were first published in, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?263421, which is mentioned 8 times in the link I provided, http://www.locusmag.com/index/yr2004/t20.htm#A380, when I imported them, has that date on ISFDB. Also, PV doesn't respond anymore; http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Mhhutchins. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:58, 6 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::Then please mention that. Just providing a link doesn't mean what's obvious to you will be obvious to anyone else. In this case, there are well over 100 poems listed at that link, so it's really not obvious what you are trying to do. If you make it easier for anyone working on approving your submissions, things will go much more quickly and smoothly. We shouldn't have to come pester you for information you could easily include in a moderator note.<br />
::As for Mhhutchins, yes, he no longer responds to posts on his talk page, but he suggests to either email him or post about major changes on the [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard|Moderator noticeboard]], neither of which you did (as far as I can tell). Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:31, 6 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Cover for Dime Novel Roundup ==<br />
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I'm holding your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5206557 submission] to add a cover scan to ''Dime Novel Roundup''. The image that you are entering is certainly the cover for the paperback edition. Do you have any source that the hardcover had a jacket with the same cover? While Open Library provides a link to the Internet Archive scan of the hardcover without a jacket, they do not specify which edition their record is for. I was aware of this image when I entered the record, but I couldn't find any image of the hardcover edition with a dust jacket. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:19, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: https://www.worldcat.org/title/dime-novel-roundup-annotated-index-1931-1981/oclc/9649579/editions?referer=di&editionsView=true; all editions with covers have the same one. I don't know if that's proof, but other Bowling Green publications on ISFDB have same covers for HC and TP. If not enough, cancel. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:52, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::Unfortunately, Worldcat frequently shows stock images that do not reflect the same edition as in the record. I actually think it is likely that the same image was used for the dust jacket, but without evidence we should probably leave the hardcover edition without a cover until one can be found. Amazon doesn't show a cover for the hardcover, nor does the copy available on ABE books. You could clone this pub and create a record for the paperback with the image. However since the Open Library record isn't specific to any edition, I wouldn't list it in either publication record. You could list it as a link in the title record though. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:37, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: You're right; problem is I stopped caring about any of this long ago and am only continuing to edit to pass the time in a productive way instead of far worse things I could be doing. I've tried to leave several times, as I've explained somewhere on these boards before, but circumstances keep getting in the way. My goal is to eventually stop regular editing and only add an occasional edit now and then to keep me from getting the dreaded "no longer active" designation. The way things are going in the world now, especially in America where I live, this whole silly internet thing may be a thing of the past soon, anyway. You still seem to care, so if you want to do any of the things you mentioned above, be my guest. --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:15, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Ian McKellen ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5209791 this submission]: Do you have a source for the author of the essay being the actor? Or are you just basing it on being the same name? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:57, 29 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: The image is Ian McKellen starring in the film Apt Pupil, based on the work by Stephen King. He played a former Nazi, thus the uniform. This, https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780753461075, mentions it's the guy who played Gandalf who wrote the intro. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:25, 29 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::Approved. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:33, 29 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Outlaws of the Moon ==<br />
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What is the source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5210829 this edit]? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:23, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: The other edition by this publisher has the same cover; http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3466. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:42, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::When using a secondary source to add information (especially for a verified pub), the source must be stated in the pub notes. I have accepted the edit & added the note. In the future, please add the note. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:05, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: The PV of the edition with no cover artist, Bluesman, hasn't been active for years, so it's not like I could contact him and say, "Hey, I'm importing a cover art credit into your book because you didn't bother to check the other covers on ISFDB and notice there's another edition with the same art as your PV'd copy"; I just checked, and Bluesman entered the American edition, too, so why he didn't know who did the cover for the Canadian edition is a mystery), and the cover art credit says the art is a variant of the Perry Rhodan art, so writing that in the notes seems redundant. But you must know best because you're a moderator. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:17, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::::Documenting secondary sources in pub notes is required per our rules. If you believe a varianted cover art record is sufficient documentation, you are welcome to start a [[Rules and standards discussions]] to change the current rules. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:25, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::::: Done. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:33, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Bus ==<br />
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Hello. Concerning [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5213606 your submissoin]. For non-fiction collections that are wholly non-fiction, we tend to record these as NONFICTION, and not as COLLECTION if I am not mistaken. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Publication_Type Title Type] rules that says, ''This type should be used for books that are predominantly or completely non-fiction'', and ''A publication that contains both non-fiction and fiction should be typed by that which is predominant.'' You may want to ask a 2nd opinion though. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:52, 2 February 2022 (EST)<br />
: The collection and anthology types require fiction; a non-fiction book is recorded as NONFICTION in the DB regardless if it is one complete text or a collection/anthology of essays and/or reviews and/or interviews (the difference can be noted in the Title notes and for the ones which contain smaller independent pieces, the contents is appreciated if someone wants to type the titles/authors). We also record all art books as NONFICTION (then the contents will be INTERIORART); a collection/anthology of cartoons (if eligible at all) will also be NONFICTION. This specific one is not eligible IMO - the author is not above treshold, the magazine where they were published is not genre (so we cannot even claim that it is a collection of art we already have in the DB (even though that is not technically a reason for a book to be eligible either) so it falls under the "comics, manga and so on" exclusion... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:22, 2 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Per above, I rejected your submission, and deleted the publication record. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 07:14, 6 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Tomorrow Log ==<br />
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What is your source for the inclusion of the essay [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5197607 here]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:51, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Cover for ''The Devil Takes a Holiday'' ==<br />
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I have put [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5216618 this submission], which would change a "sf-encyclopedia.uk" URL to a "x.sf-encyclopedia.com" URL, on hold. As I mentioned earlier, "x.sf-encyclopedia.com" are new and we need guidance from SFE before we can decide what to do with them. It's possible that SFE is in the midst of migrating all of their image URLs as part of a move to "sf-encyclopedia.com". If that is the case, then we may need to change all of our SFE URLs programmatically rather than hunting them done one at a time.<br />
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I have asked their Web admin about this issue and hope to hear from him tomorrow morning. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 21:53, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: The software behind yellow warnings has been updated. As before, only links to /clute/, /langford/ and /robinson/ sub-directories are allowed for both sf-encyclopedia.com and sf-encyclopedia.uk. All of their URLs require the currently used "|" syntax. I have removed the hold from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5216618 your submission]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:48, 5 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The First Americans: Beyond the Sea of Ice ==<br />
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What is the source of the date you added [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5215870 here]. No notes or other information was included with the submission. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:54, 8 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: 1987 first edition on ISFDB has that exact date; this, https://archive.org/details/beyondseaofice00sara, the twentieth printing or so, still has the same 1987 cover art copyright. They used the same art over and over again. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:18, 8 February 2022 (EST)<br />
::Okay, thanks. In the future, if you put that information in the moderator note, that will speed things up. Approved! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:32, 8 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Gray Matter ==<br />
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I'm holding your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5230813 submission] to change the story Gray Matter into an excerpt. Both FictionMags and Locus1 indicate that it is a story. What is your evidence that it was an excerpt from the authors subsequent novel? Is it possible that the story was later expanded into a novel? If the latter, it should probably remain as a story. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:37, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/stories/graymatter.htm. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:39, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Magazine Serials ==<br />
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I approved your edits to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?957962 Medusa's Head]'' earlier today. However, I removed the links to the scans of the original magazine serials. They really didn't belong in the Appleton publication record as they refer to a different publication of the novel. For example, we don't link to the scans of Burroughs' serializations of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?21883 A Princess of Mars]'' in any of its book publications. It would have been OK to add them to the title record. However, a better solution is to add the three issues of Harper's as non-genre magazines and link to the individual scans there. I've done this adding each scan to the appropriate issue. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:28, 18 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Neil deGrasse Tyson ==<br />
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Hi. Just wanted to let you know that there's a bit more involved than changing the author's name as you've submitted [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5237803 here]. Since De Grasse had been chosen as canonical author name, but there are only publications with deGrasse, the canonical name needs to be switched to deGrasse. To do that, the deGrasse titles need to be unvarianted from their De Grasse parent title, parent title is to be deleted, which results in the deGrasse titles being left. Then variant the Portuguese title to the English original (and I've also updated the deGrasse author record with the information available from the De Grasse record), and we're all set. Not sure if this is the most efficient way, but it got it done. See [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?276399 here] - have a look and let me know this is the result you intended. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 12:56, 1 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: OK. Honestly I've done so many edits since this one I forgot I did it, but since your explanation was complicated and over my head I'm sure it's correct. At least my feeble attempt spurred someone else to do it right. --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:04, 1 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Audrey's Private Haunts ==<br />
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I've put [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5258099 this edit] on hold. Please contact the [[User talk:Chavey|Chavey]] and have him check the title page for that story which is not shown in the Fantlab scans. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:55, 11 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== First Channel ==<br />
[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5254672 This submission] has been placed on hold as I cannot see where you've asked the two active PVs ([[User talk:Chavey|Chavey]] and [[User talk:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]]) to verify the publisher name change you want to do. Please invite them to comment here to verify this change. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:32, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Like the Hodgson book below, I barely remember this, but I think I changed it because of the note editor left that says PLAYBOY PAPERBACKS. Also, https://www.ebay.com/itm/233000922106, which says the same on spine and copyright/title pages. I'm tired of contacting people who never respond or respond after a really long time or after they've been in and out of the hospital multiple times, which seems to be a situation shared by many of the mods. I think Chavey was gone for a long time and when he came back and responded to something I wrote him he was unpleasant and it didn't go well. I don't remember anything about the other guy, but I really have lost interest. You can accept the proof in the eBay link or contact them yourself or cancel it, I don't care. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:14, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::Seriously, let's try to work together here. You get all offended every time someone asks questions about one of your edits. The vast majority of the time, you're simply misinterpreting the text interactions here as someone being unpleasant to you. We're all trying to work to improve the site, so please start giving others the benefit of the doubt. As for the ebay link, if you had included that in your submission, I wouldn't have asked you about it. As it is, your note to the moderators was "OL ID, fixed publisher". Next time, please include your sources. It makes things go much more smoothly and quickly. Thank you for your future cooperation on this. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:40, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: I don't think I was offended; to be offended I'd have to care. I was merely expressing how hard it is to remember 1 of these edits when I've done hundreds since then. I don't think I even saw that eBay link until a few minutes ago because it was obvious from the logo on the cover and especially the editor's note where they actually said who the publisher is. Your message prompted me to find it, so thanks. Actually, in recent days if a mod has a problem with 1 of my edits I just cancel it rather than bother trying to remember anything, since there's a hundred other edits I could be doing; I'm not sure why I didn't do that in your case; guess I forgot. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:51, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Just a correction; while doing some edits this morning I came across something that jogged my memory; it was Mhhutchins, not Chavey, who was gone for a long time and then was unpleasant to me when he came back. I've spoken to Chavey a few times, judging by a search for my name on his board, and while a little snippy with his answers sometimes has certainly never given me a problem. --[[User:Username|Username]] 08:10, 20 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Horrors from Haunted Seas ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5262432 This submission] has been placed on hold because you didn't include any explanation for your edits. You're changing page count without any stated reason, you removed a link to Archive.org which appears to be a valid link. You also removed part of the note which explained the subtitle only appeared on the cover; the Archive.org link you removed seems to support that note. When you make changes like that, you should always include an explanation for your changes. Please provide the explanations here. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:55, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I don't know; I've done so many edits since this one. I know prior editor entered partial contents years ago and I entered the rest recently, then after it was approved I noticed the page count in the Archive book didn't match ISFDB's so I changed it with a note about differing page counts on different Amazon pages, because prior editor got their info back in 2012 from Amazon which came from 1 of those pages with the wrong page count. I'll just cancel this edit; I barely have any interest anymore to enter new edits, much less go back and try figuring out what went wrong with old ones; what likely happened is I entered the new edit while others were being approved and some info got swallowed up/corrupted, which has happened before. Maybe I'll try to figure out what went wrong and enter a new edit. EDIT: I cancelled old edit and entered a new one. Who knows if everything is right now; it's all so confusing. I wonder now how many of my other edits may have been screwed up after entering them and nobody noticed, sitting there with missing/wrong info. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:36, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::The new one has been approved. Thanks for submitting the updated edit. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:43, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Eric Linklater Stories ==<br />
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What are the sources for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5269320 this] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5269390 this]? In both cases, the pub notes state "Only stories reviewed in Bleiler, below, have been listed". With your edits, those notes would not longer be valid. When you make a change to a pub that invalidates the pub notes, you need to also change the pub notes. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:17, 27 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== A Little Green Book of Monster Stories ==<br />
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I have placed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5267552 this submission] on hold. I can see that you included this in part of [[User talk:Ofearna#Crossroads|your message]] to Ofearna, but this one has a different publisher (Macabre Ink) that is not mentioned in your discussion. Since you didn't include any useful notes (just "fixed pub."), and your discussion with Ofearna doesn't discuss this specific change from Macabre Ink to Crossroad Press, I don't know why you are changing this one. Please clarify. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:49, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: This has been sitting on my edit list for a very long time; I've done a thousand edits since then. I remember that several books entered as by Crossroads were actually by Crossroad, so I fixed those; I must have had a reason to change this one, too, but can't remember anymore, so cancel if you want to. Also, I just changed the other Leodhas collection to an omnibus, but there's a stray Gaelic Ghosts; I don't know if that gets cleaned up or has to be done manually or what. You or someone else may want to look at Leodhas' record after that edit is approved to make sure everything is OK now. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:04, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
::You really don't need to respond with how you've done a bazillion edits since submitting this (or any other) edit practically any time someone asks you about a specific submission. We all know you're amazing. I'll go ahead and decline this one since you have provided no valid reason for it. If you remember the reason for this one in the future, we can always undecline it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:12, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Hey Joe, if you're having a bad day that's your problem; don't cop an attitude with me. The reason I mention how many edits I've done is because when someone like you asks me to remember a minor fix like this one it's tough because I've done so many minor and major edits since then remembering something like this isn't easy; if I were like many other editors here who barely contribute or only concentrate on one specific area then I'm sure it's easy to remember, but someone like me who makes edits for countless different areas can't be expected to remember something from weeks ago when one of you finally gets around to approving it. It only stands to reason that in the enormous amount of edits I do every week a few will be dropped here and there; I don't really expect every single one to be approved. Rather than waste my time you and the other mods should be finding out why ISFDB is so slow, both on my laptop and at my local library; maybe those robots that Ahasuerus was talking about recently somewhere that were screwing with the site and making thousands of illegal pings still need fixing. As I've mentioned several times recently, I've been planning to leave here for months but personal/world issues keep getting in the way; if the huge number of edits I still do every week is any indication, imagine how much more I could do if I actually cared anymore. P.S. And yes, I am amazing. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:27, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
::::Quality over quantity, pal. --[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 04:04, 26 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::::Rosab618: Your comment is not helpful. Please refrain from making unproductive comments such as this. Thank you. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:06, 26 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The National Review Treasury of Classic Children's Literature ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5288958 this submission]: I'm in process of updating this record (adding the interior art, etc.) based on the second printing and then I will clone a new record for the second printing. I'm probably won't be able to finish until later today so may look incomplete for awhile. Letting you know in case you come back to it so we don't step over each other. I will also enter Volume 2 that Internet Archive has. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:48, 10 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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OK. For such a major anthology the info online is a mess, but there apparently was a Volume 2, https://www.worldcat.org/title/national-review-treasury-of-classic-childrens-literature/oclc/56722009, which they didn't separate properly on WorldCat; the contents for V. 2 start after "The brownies' good work". --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:07, 10 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Fantômas ==<br />
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Two notes on your edit to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?398181 Fantômas]''. The listed LCCN number is legitimate. If you click through, you'll see it returns the correct record. The price as "35 cent." is given in centimes, which is 1/100th of a franc. I've updated the price accordingly. We use francs just as we use dollars for US price given in cents. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:32, 11 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Mountains and Madness ==<br />
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I'm curious to know why you replaced the cover image of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18555] with an arguably worse one than that one I scanned and uploaded to ISFDB. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 18:42, 14 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I saw discussion about this book and discovered the title was different inside the book, so I added note about that, and fixed incorrect date some editor made in the note about the cover art; I suppose, when I found the copy on Open Library, I replaced the cover because that's the copy I got the info from, plus the colors are sharper and likely closer to what the physical book cover would have looked like; but it doesn't really matter, so I just went to the Wiki and replaced OL cover with yours again, so it'll be approved soon. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:15, 14 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Just a Suggestion ==<br />
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When documenting a source, considerer simplifying the audit trail. Look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?219201 Seeing Red] for example. Your note requires knowledge of the internet archive, accessing it, then navigating to the proper page. A link in the webpages can takes the user directly to the information. I'll leave it to you to decide if the note is still necessary. You add a great deal of information, a good audit trail does not require you to remember specific edits. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:24, 30 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Deadliest of the Species ==<br />
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I have put this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5305517 submission] on hold temporarily. You need to contact [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Nowickj Nowickj] and ascertain that his publication is the first edition. If it is not, then you should clone and create one. Either way, consider making 'Vox13' the publisher. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:07, 1 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Cancelled and redone with just OL ID. --[[User:Username|Username]] 21:15, 1 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Approved, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:38, 1 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Nail in the Coffin ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5303417 Source] please. I'm not doubting the validity of your information. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 23:00, 3 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: It's from the Fall 2003 Speculative Literature Issue of Descant, http://www.locusmag.com/index/yr2003/t71.htm#A3356, which contains nearly 30 stories, most not on ISFDB, plus many essays. I'm not adding a note for this story because that issue should be entered on ISFDB, and there's already way too many notes on ISFDB where editors said where the story first appeared when the publication they first appeared in is right there on the page. I used to delete those, hundreds probably, until a certain moderator complained about it, so I don't do that anymore. If you want to enter that huge issue, be my guest. If not, just cancel my edit. EDIT: I just realized I did add a note, just not where info came from. Ah, forget it. I'll just cancel it; if anyone ever enters that issue they'll know where it came from. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:30, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: No need to cancel it, I think the statement 'first published' requires a source. We often see where a story was 'previously published', that doesn't necessarily mean it was the first publication. A fine point to be sure.[[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:09, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?956885 This] is what I had in mind. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:21, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: This notion where a story first appeared was established because this whole thing started not with the first publications (and that you are informed about the notes upon merging titles is a not so very old feature). Hope thatr explains why these do still crop up en masse. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:47, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:I've entered the issue [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?897388 here]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:04, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Jay Lake story has August note, if you trust that as right month. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:13, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::Updated. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:29, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Strange Pleasures 2 ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5308028 Your submission].<br />
According to the supplied OL link & Amazon.com. The correct publication date is 2003-05-01. Change the publication date not the title date. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:42, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I cancelled it and made new edit with just OL ID and replaced cover image; there's no month in the book and no note about where PV, Prof. beard, got it from, or whoever entered it, but since some of the story dates are August the book obviously wasn't published in May; also August here, http://www.locusmag.com/index/yr2003/t20.htm#A951. But if you want to find him and ask him go ahead, or discuss it on the message boards. Also, me and the person who PV'd this, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?19457, submitted edits around the same time; you rejected my updating of the date because they'd already done it, but somehow both our cover artist were entered, so you'll have to decide which one can be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:08, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: The pub was originally entered correctly by BLongley 2008-12-26. Subsequently the title date was changed. (probably because Amazon shows that date). When Prof beard PV'd the pub, I doubt he even noticed the title date. Regardless, I approved your new submission and added a pub note referencing Locus. Daughter of Darkness is also taken care of. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:48, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Yellow Sign'' introduction date ==<br />
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This [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5312068 submission] proposes to assign the introduction a date of September 2000, but the publication in which it first appeared is dated July 2000. That dating was done after your submission, and from the pub notes, it appears to be correct. Your submission does not include a source for the September date. I think the current July 2000 date is appropriate and am going to reject the submission, but please review and submit something else if you think July is wrong. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:53, 14 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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I submitted an earlier edit for this book which was approved, and then this one to change the intro to September because it didn't have a month; month entered by earlier editor was wrong, it clearly says July in the Archive copy, so where they got September from is unknown, but whoever worked on this book after me obviously caught the right date on the copyright page. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:17, 14 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== MacGregor[h] in ''Stories from the Near-Future'' ==<br />
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In this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5313022 submission], where did you find the credit as "MacGregor"? The Look Inside TOC shows it as "MacGregorh". Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:05, 15 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: MacGregor on copyright page and search says same on p. 43. --[[User:Username|Username]] 12:09, 15 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Many Deaths of Cole Parker ==<br />
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Was the story length [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3039653 here] from the note on the author's website, or some other source? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:19, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: That bookscxyz site I mentioned somewhere here recently has a downloadable .epub and when I printed it out it ran like 130-something pages, or checking the Google Books copy would probably run the same count, but if he mentioned it on his site, too, great. It might even be a short novel, if anyone ever cares to do a word count of the print edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:18, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Adding partial contents ==<br />
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When adding partial contents to a publication, please include the incomplete template. The publication will no longer show up on the cleanup report once it has any content entered. The incomplete template alerts us that there is still missing content. Thanks [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:30, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: You didn't mention which book you're referring to, and honestly hardly anyone ever follows up any edits I do, so I'm basically working solo here; I usually complete my own incomplete entries eventually. --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:21, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: I didn't mention the publiscation ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?391878 Beach Blanket Zombie: Weird Tales of the Undead & Other Humanoid Horrors]), because I went ahead and added the template. I was just reminding you for future reference. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 22:35, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Long Last Call ==<br />
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Take a second look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5322340 this submission]. Do we really have 2 novels in this one publication? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:34, 28 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: As with many later Leisure books, they added bonus short stories or novellas to the main novel, and in this case while it mentions the bonus novella "Conscience" at the bottom of the cover, ISFDB classifies it as a novel because of page length or whatever the criteria is, so yes, it's 2 novels, with 1 being much shorter than the other. EDIT: Instead of creating new topics I'm just going to mention these here: the Amok cover you rejected because ISFDB doesn't credit designers as cover artists, which I certainly know, doesn't fit with the fact that 3 other Amok editions have that person credited as cover artist, so I assume, as in many cases, the designer also did the artwork. Regardless, it makes no sense to have 1 edition with no cover artist but 3 others with the same cover with a credited cover artist, so it would make more sense to approve my edit or remove the cover credit from the other 3. Also, as with many small-press collections such as Stuart Young's Spare Parts, they include stories from obscure publications not on ISFDB, in this case very many, so I detailed those stories' histories on the main title page of the collection. There's no reason to include the same info for those individual stories in their separate records, and something also went wrong with one of your entries because the edit/edit history buttons are next to the story title instead of all the way on the right. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:43, 28 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks for alerting me to the problem with 'Face at the Window'. Apparently an angle bracket got inserted into the title, fixed now. Notes regarding a story's publishing history belong in the story title, not a publication title. If I had any reason to look at the publication title record, I would have told you to move them rather than doing it myself. While these stories haven't been nor may never appear in another publication, the notes still belong on the individual titles. My rejection of the Amok cover based on the current PV's note is correct. I have reached out to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Boskar Boskar] for confirmation before removing the credit from the other three. Ultimately, all will be handled the same. Interestingly, Boskar initially entered the earliest printing, [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Stonecreek Stonecreek] edited it and then cloned the other two publications. Focus the 'Username radar' and help me find a word count for 'Conscience'. Thanks [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:00, 28 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Santraí ==<br />
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Re: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5326383 This submission]. Why variant/ If they are identical, merge. Perhaps I'm missing something. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:41, 1 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Seat of Inspiration ==<br />
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Re: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5326387 This submission]. If you look at the copyright page of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?899761 Eros Interruptus] it credits the earlier printing in 'The Urbanite, #6' as 'Seat of Inspiration'. I think 'Seat of Inspirations' is a typo. Cancel your variant, submit a merge with the above reason in note to mod. post here that it is submitted and I'll approve it. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:52, 1 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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On closer inspection, looks like you entered the contents for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?61657 The Urbanite, #6]. If it wasn't a typo, tell me and I'll approve the variant. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 07:05, 2 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Is it a data entry typo or not? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:18, 3 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: I don't think I entered the contents, just the page #'s. Cacek's story titles are a mess, so unless someone can see a copy of that Urbanite issue it's hard to tell what the title was there, so I guess this should be cancelled until someone can verify and merge or variant as needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:24, 3 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Since we aren't sure, the safest course is to variant. We can always merge if a copy surfaces. Your submission is approved. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:37, 3 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Currency Symbols ==<br />
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In the future, please use the correct currency symbols; even in notes like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5328557 this one]. Thanks [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:48, 4 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I enter additional prices in Notes exactly the way they appear in/on the book, whether that's full or abbreviated country name or currency. If a book actually had an A, C, etc. in front of the price I'd enter it that way, but most don't. The idea is to enter info as it appears originally, not the way we feel it should look like. It's pointless to enter a C in front of a Canadian price when the word Canada precedes it; of course, if I enter a main price in the price field then it needs an A, C, etc. in front of it because those prices are displayed when searching; notes don't show unless someone goes to the specific record for the publication itself. If you like entering those letters in notes, to each their own. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:58, 4 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: If you want to change our policy, feel free to start a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions Rules and standards discussion]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:18, 4 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::This is one of the few cases where we standardize things. Please use the symbols and abbreviations as noted [[Help:List of currency symbols|here]], both in the currency field and in notes. Thank you! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:59, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Coal Black ==<br />
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Hi. Why'd you add the image [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5337624 here]? Isn't it the same one that was already there? --[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 15:17, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I see your 2 edits in the history and my edit uploading the cover to the Wiki because there's no image on ISFDB-linked sites; the Wiki only has my name as the uploader, but there's been several times recently where I uploaded a new, better cover to replace an old one and it didn't do that because the URL of the image was slightly different than the old URL, and a mod needed to fix everything to make the image go to the right page so it will show up on the book's record. If you uploaded an image it might be on another Wiki page, if that's what you're talking about. The wait times have been getting longer lately for approvals, so there's a lot of cross-editing where an editor enters something and by the time it's approved a self-mod or mod has already entered it themselves. The image is there in the record, so it seems to be OK. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:33, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
::On the 9th, I added to the record the image you uploaded. (Where did you find it, by the way?) I didn't upload one myself.<br />
::You don't see the image on the Wiki? That's strange. It's there.--[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 15:46, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Now that you mention it, I recall that after you asked me where I found it a few days ago (I think it came from here, http://www.alephbet.com/pdf/cat101-web.pdf; searching Google Images for the title and author's last name brings the image up, which is the only one I saw online that looked good, unlike the AbeBooks and Amazon ones), I noticed you made a couple of edits or something similar and I wondered what that was about. The Wiki has my name and a June 9 date, so I think it's that cross-editing thing I mentioned where you approved your edit adding my image from the Wiki to the record and then my edit doing the same was approved. The cover image is there, anyway, so I don't think anything else needs to be done, except adding OCLC ID, 2468107, which you should do since you can approve it. Price is missing, but unless someone finds a copy that will remain empty. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:02, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: There's actually a searchable Google Books copy, and by searching for author's name it showed the back cover which mentioned his place of birth and by searching for "seven dudes" it showed the title on the flap with the price next to it. So I've entered 2 edits for those, and I think everything that can be done for this book has been done now. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:20, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Rubicon Beach ==<br />
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I've placed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5337954 this submission] on hold as you haven't followed PV procedures. The only thing that concerns me is the change in price. As the 2 and 7 are not near each other anywhere on the keyboard, it's unlikely it was a typo on the part of the PV, so we need to have them make sure that's the price in their copy. Since this editor hasn't done anything for about a year, please post on the [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard]] so the change can be discussed. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:55, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Across Paris and Other Stories ==<br />
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I approved your changes, but I question whether [https://img.fantasticfiction.com/images/c0/c1075.jpg this image] is better than the [https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81jw+QokP8L.jpg previous image]. What do you think? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:09, 17 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I did notice the same thing you did, so it wouldn't bother me if someone reverted or found an even better one; it's not like it's a rare book with a very hard-to-find cover. EDIT: I see now that I added the cover from Fantastic Fiction; 1 OL link has no cover and the other has a bright image but with a sticker on it. So if you're going to replace it you'll have to go to some other site, assuming you're not just going to revert to the old one. What's funny, though, is that the OL page with the stickered cover links to an Archive copy with no jacket while the OL page with no cover links to an Archive copy with the stickered cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:32, 17 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Fantasyworld ==<br />
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I approved your submission for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13194 Fantasyworld], but I removed the cover art credit since it was just a photo. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:41, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Dude, I don't know what happened here, but the Michael Trevillion Fantasyworld credit has no book under it and this, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5341881, shows I entered the artist's name where it's supposed to be; a few minutes ago the FantLab link was just that, but now that I checked again his picture is there. So I don't know what's up but I entered everything properly as far as I can tell; I don't know what happened after that. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:46, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: The empty title record has been deleted. The problem isn't how you entered it, but that it is merely a photo and we do not give cover art credit for a photo. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:41, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== ''An Exercise for Madmen'' ==<br />
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I hope the title isn't a commentary on ISFDB activity.... For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5340813 this submission], did you mean to remove the Open Library link or only add the WorldCat link? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:26, 20 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: My previous edit adding OL ID, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5340686, was approved recently but I made another one adding WorldCat ID and, because ISFDB has a problem with multiple entries, the 2nd edit thought I wanted to replace the 1st ID with another one instead of putting it in the next ID field. This has happened many times and I'm sure some info I've entered has been lost because later entries screw up previous ones. Mods or self-mods can approve their edits and then do additional edits but people like me have to wait, sometimes for a long time, for edits to be approved and I don't always remember that I made an edit for a book earlier that hasn't been approved yet. Someone should look into updating the software or whatever so people can make several edits for the same book and have new info added instead of replacing the old info. So yes, both ID should be there. --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:37, 20 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::OK, thanks. I accepted it and restored the OL ID. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 22:25, 20 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Mulengro: A Romany Tale ==<br />
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I approved the edit, but what is page number 'fp' in this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?193329 publication]? This is not one of the <i>Special designations</i>. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:39, 26 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I asked about this on Moderator board, so we'll see what they think. Also, you made an edit after mine, "added link because the link in the previous edit note to moderator was the wrong jpg". It wasn't really the wrong one; I added Gorman's intro and Sproule's frontispiece and the photo shows both of those, so that's why I added it in note to mod. --[[User:Username|Username]] 12:47, 26 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: When I followed your link it only showed the frontispiece and the title page. I added the link to the scan of the limitation page to support your note. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:55, 26 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Poe's Lighthouse ==<br />
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Please doublecheck the OL number in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5347679 this submission]. Are you sure it shouldn't be OL8825435M ? Thanks. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:05, 28 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I don't think so. The OL I added links to an archived copy; ISBN is the same on copyright page, price is the same on front flap, etc. Your OL leads to a record which has no Archive link. I provide OL ID because I don't like linking directly to Archive.org as much (most?) of the non-public domain material isn't really supposed to be there. I do rarely link to a non-archived OL record if there's something on it unusual, but that's not the case here. --[[User:Username|Username]] 23:16, 28 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== UK prices during decimalization ==<br />
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I'm approving [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5347842 your edit] to ''Hands of the Ripper''. However, as mentioned [[User talk:Username#British Books with two prices|above]] that during the period of decimalization, the price field should reflect the pre-decimal (shillings and pence) price. I'll correct your edit accordingly. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:15, 29 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: OK, but the thing is that there are 21 Sphere books from 1971 here, 19 of which have prices, and only 5 of those have the old prices. So other editors weren't sure how to enter them, either. I'll see if I can fix any of them; maybe you can, too, if you wish. EDIT: I remembered this related topic, http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Pre_and_Post_decimal_UK_prices, where others seemed to suggest the opposite was correct. EDIT: I switched old price from note to price field for Pan's 1969 Moon Zero Two after coming across it randomly. I have a feeling there are thousands of others that would need the same. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:25, 29 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Rakefire and Other Stories ==<br />
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Will you add a note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?784806 Rakefire and Other Stories] stating the source of the content? I was able to confirm it but I don't know that you used the same source as I did. Ping here when you submit it and I will immediately approve it. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:40, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: There's already a note about data from Amazon and all the story titles and info about each story are there. This looks like a Fixer entry so I wouldn't expect a robot to notice that. If you want to specifically say where they came from you can do that; I don't know if the rule is to credit the reviewer by name, although he seems to have published the same exact lengthy review all over the web. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:46, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: I see the review now. Honestly, it never would have occurred to me to look there, I never trust anything people post in those. In this case it is correct. I might tweak the note a bit. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:16, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Two Poems from Star*Line, May-June 1990 ==<br />
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I'm holding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5350644 this submission] & [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5350651 this submission] until you get agreement from [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Hkauderer Hkauderer]. I see your link for one of the submissions. Be patient, he stops by and will answer. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:21, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I don't know what he'd need to agree to, since the link I provided for the first poem shows the part I deleted was a dedication, not part of the poem's title, while the other poem I didn't include a link for is available at several places online as part of a sequence of poems and also clearly shows the deleted part is a dedication and not part of the title, but if you want to wait for him to say it was a mistake, OK. --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:36, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: You are making changes to a verified publication. This verifier is quite familiar with speculative poetry. Obviously, he felt the dedications were part of the titles. It is up to you to reach agreement for any changes. If you don't care to communicate with him, let me know. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 22:01, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: If you say he's familiar, OK. I'll wait; if he agrees, fine, if not, I'll just cancel my edits. --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:20, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Author Birthplace ==<br />
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When entering an author's birthplace, please follow [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:AuthorFields:BirthPlace these guidelines]. I added UK [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?328935 here]. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:49, 5 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Summer Meadows ==<br />
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I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5354028 this submission] on hold. The only edition of 'The Summer Meadows' on Google Books is the paperback. That's where I see the $5.95 price using search inside. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:30, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: https://books.google.com/books?id=UHxBAAAAIAAJ; I searched for 5.95 and it shows the price. All the early-mid 70's Delacorte books on ISFDB have HC prices the same or slightly lower or higher. Using advanced search here I found no Delacorte PB and the first TP is 1987. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:47, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: https://www.google.com/books/edition/_/UHxBAAAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0; I'm looking at the record you reference, the format says paperback. Do you want me to ask another mod for a second opinion? I'm not offended. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:14, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Click the link I provided; it takes you to a page with a search box under the book's title page. Enter 5.95, and you should see $5.95 in the results, clearly on a book flap. It's a hardcover; As I said above, Delacorte published no paperbacks according to my search on ISFDB, and the first trade paperback was not until 1987. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:22, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: You totally ignore what I say, just repeat your previous statement. The only difference between what we are looking at is you are using google classic view and I'm looking at the new view which gives the book details. The new view does have the hc ISBN (044008444X), but format says Paperback. A contradiction. I have released the hold. Another mod can review it. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:43, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: I keep repeating what I said before because you're not getting what I'm saying. Delacorte, the publisher of The Summer Meadows, published zero paperbacks, or at least there are none on ISFDB. If you check Delacorte books on ISFDB you will see that all books published around the same date as this book are all hardcovers and all have the same price as this book or a little lower or higher depending on the page count or inflation or whatever. If there was a paperback edition of this book it would have a much lower price than $5.95, because mass-market paperbacks usually didn't cost nearly that much back then. And if the Google copy was a paperback then the price wouldn't be on a flap, it would be on the front or back cover like most paperbacks. Just because Google Books is confused doesn't make a difference; they're a huge mess just like every other book-related website, and have tons of wrong info. And the page I saw when I clicked your link looks completely different than the one I linked, and it says paperback on it, which mine doesn't, so I don't know what exactly you're looking at; maybe if you look at this, https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=%22the+summer+meadows%22, you'll find the same page I did. I'll mention this on the community board so this can be resolved quickly instead of waiting around for someone to get to it. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:59, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Requested report ==<br />
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You asked if there is a way to find the publications which have 'fp' in the page field. [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Ahasuerus Ahasuerus] has modified the cleanup report [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?287 Publications with Invalid Page Numbers] to accomplish this for you. The report will be available tomorrow morning. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:08, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Unreals ==<br />
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I see you changed the format from tp to hc for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?478332 The Unreals]. I saw your note quoting the statement from the book. How do you explain Open Library, Google Books and Amazon all calling this a paperback? Also. here are two sale listings [https://www.ebay.com/itm/185393521738?chn=ps&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&amdata=enc%3A1mrjO3bUxRxePYbhCuSW-yA20&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-213727-13078-0&mkcid=2&itemid=185393521738&targetid=4581046489808873&device=c&mktype=&googleloc=&poi=&campaignid=418640322&mkgroupid=1239149842233245&rlsatarget=pla-4581046489808873&abcId=9300602&merchantid=51291&msclkid=77a6ba70a29e1f86e16cd8a01b0aa24e ebay] and [https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/the-unreals_donald-jeffries/1355990/?resultid=6265ae6a-69c8-40fd-998c-523871d7abc7#edition=5550403&idiq=33525694 thriftbooks] which both state the format is paperback. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:07, 14 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I don't see your name in the edit history, so I'm not sure why you're so upset, but we here at ISFDB go by what the book says, and it says "hardcover". If anyone ever gets their hands on a physical copy with that ISBN and it turns out to really be a trade paperback it can always have the format changed back with a note saying the publisher made a mistake in their own book; it would hardly be the first time that's happened. Nothing online or in reference books is gospel; I've fixed countless mistakes that came from every one of those sources you mentioned. --[[User:Username|Username]] 21:13, 14 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Whether I'm on the edit history or not is irrelevant. Also, I'm hardly upset. I merely question the change. Do you really think it likely that both the sellers are also mistaken about the format? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:22, 14 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: It's relevant because you didn't enter the format as TP, someone else did; if you were a PV then you'd know for sure if it's a TP. Also, I've seen many, many auctions where the seller just copied info from online but the photos of the book showed something different. As I said, the only way to verify this is finding a physical copy, and if it's really a TP reverting the format and adding an appropriate note. Then the question will be if there's a HC edition out there somewhere, or if the publisher scrapped plans to release one but forgot to change their copyright page. --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:28, 15 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Internet Archive services ==<br />
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Hi, Concerning your latest note [[User talk:Pwendt#Doll Who Came Alive]], and the preceding, and some other 2022 contributions here at ISFDB Wiki, let me ask a general question: How do you use Archive.org for viewing protected content in "recent" books? Is it an institutional privilege (<s>such as I may have here, sitting inside a major university library building, a novelty for me in the last 30 months</s><font color=green>not this institution</font>)? <br />
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Or do you use this service which is available to everyone, or everyone in the USA or somewhere, with a "free account"?<br />
: | Log In and Borrow v | Renewable every hour, pending availability | (i)<br />
I suppose it is this widely available free service that you have in mind, for ISFDB users who will make use of the "archive.org" publication webpage to view or even print illustrations. Right?<br />
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Or something else (although the one hour will be adequate for many ISFDB data gathering purposes)?<br />
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For books with protected content I have used only the "Limited preview // Some pages are omitted." In my experience that shows several opening leaves only. Even the back and back inside bookcover or dustjacket is omitted. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:07, 28 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Yes, there's a blue "borrow for 1 hour" button after you sign up which lets you view the entire book, and, if nobody else has it borrowed, you can keep clicking that button in case you need more than an hour. In this case, there's a weird black cover when you search for the book, but as soon as you turn to the first page the real cover is revealed, which doesn't look like the one already on ISFDB, even though the publisher is the same. I tend to stay away from these kids' books because they reprinted many of them so often it's hard to tell which edition is which, but you seem to have done some research judging by your notes, so I thought it would help in fixing some of it or adding more. Looking at it, the first thing I notice is that the page count is actually 76, not 75, because the last page of the story is unnumbered, so that's 1 thing to start with. I also see that the NY Times review of the 1942 edition cost $2, while this Archive edition has a $2.75 price, so it's not the original but probably not the 1972 edition on ISFDB because books cost more by that point. It's also an ex-library edition, and the first date stamped on the card at the back is '55, so that should help in narrowing down the date. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:23, 28 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks for your notes on ''The Doll'' which I will consider later. I do have good access to historical newspapers and magazines, in my air-conditioned university library station --where I sit today but I have barely visited in 30 months.<br />
::: Back to the technical matter. Last hour I enrolled at Archive.org using email address and password and I borrowed ''The Eerie Book'' 1981 edition P{{p|487344}} for one hour. Today unable to give it much time, after one hour I did learn [a] what happens when/as time expires. <br />
::: [b] What do you make of this, at ''The Eerie Book'' 1981? Upon borrowing I learn there are 224 images, presumably 1 to 224 ... Now I visit what appears to be the back inside jacket flap, as "218 of 219"! Flip the page and see image "224" and last! That one doesn't look as I expect from the back bookcover or dustjacket. How do you interpret these last two images "218" and "224"? <br />
::: Today that's all I had time to view. But, yes, I do have the one-hour privilege now. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:32, 28 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Answer to your question concerning total no of pages ==<br />
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See [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5379858 here for your question] - Answer: no, the same rules apply for all languages - looks like someone counted the three pages of advertisements and stuff. I've corrected the page no's to 157. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 05:59, 4 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Deathbringer ==<br />
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Per your note to moderators in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5376099 this submission]: Search on ISBN came up with the cover for the 2nd edition - see [https://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=30257088918&cm_sp=det-_-bsk-_-bdp]. Very difficult to read, but I'm fairly sure ISFDB cover scan of the first edition says 2246 in the right margin of the cover, whereas the AbeBooks scan says 2562 for the 2nd edition (same price for both editions, it seems) Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:47, 5 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Dragon Quintet ==<br />
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Hello. Can you provide source for these two (related) edits: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5380430], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5380431]? Thanks!<br />
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: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?31459; Don Erikson, the long-gone PV of the edition with the wrong cover credit, was one of the most common enterers of wrong info here; I can't count how many of his old edits I've had to correct. In this case, it's clear the Eggleton art is only on the Book Club edition while all the Tor editions use the same art, so I removed the wrong art credit and then imported the right one (Erikson also PV the Tor HC, so I assume he was just confused when he added the wrong info to the PB). There's no source, it's just a mistake I'm correcting, unless I'm missing something. --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:57, 5 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Oh, I see. Approved. (I may have to stop reviewing and approving submissions for today... :). Thanks, regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:27, 5 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:34, 5 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Please revert edit for Kingsbane ==<br />
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Would you please revert this edit [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5381259] and remove the LCCN from External IDs? The note specifically says there is no valid LoC record which is why it doesn't belong as an external ID. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 18:19, 5 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Not online, or not at all? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:39, 6 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::My only LoC validation source is the LoC online lookup but I would think that should be sufficient. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 17:26, 6 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::Thank you. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 15:27, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Independence ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5382526 this submission]. I don't see any attempt to contact the PV. The notes clearly state that the publication date is from a secondary source (Amazon.com). I have no problem with editing the disambiguation of the 'Author's Note' if you wish to resubmit. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:11, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: MLB, as has been mentioned many times on these boards, has told me to just fix any minor mistakes because he made so many of them in his PV over the years that it's a waste of time contacting him about all of them. Also, most paperbacks wouldn't have the day of publication, Amazon uses the first day of the month when they don't know the exact date (could be the month before or after), and there's a later printing on Archive.org, https://archive.org/details/quantumleapindep0000peel, that says August on the copyright page. MLB wrote about both Amazon and the copyright page in his note, so I assume he just forgot to fix the date based on the actual book instead of Amazon. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:24, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Of course, the actual publication does not give the day. That is the reason MLB added the note. (OL also agrees). If the date is changed, then the August 1 date should be incorporated into the note. For ex: "Publication date 1996-08-01 per Amazon.com as of 2012-10-15'. I hate to throw away data. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:43, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Amazon has always had a habit, when they don't really know the publication date, to just use -01- for the day; OL's info is often just copied straight from Amazon. The book's date is on the copyright page, August 1996. The only reason to include Amazon's date is if the book wasn't available, but it is, because he PV it, and there's an Archive.org copy. If the book was one of those that listed the day in the date, and there are some (usually small-press) books that do, or a later printing that mentions the exact date of the earlier printing(s) then the day could be justifiably entered, but that's not the case here. You can ask about this on the boards if you want. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:55, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::Books rarely give the <b>actually day</b> that a book is printed. The date that you see on Amazon is the date that the book arrives, I think, in inventory. Compare dates, page count, and prices, with Barnes & Noble. You can find minute differences. If you want, just make minute changes when you need to. Besides, my brother, who was a fan of the show, absconded with a number of my <i>Quantum Leap</i> books, so I may not even have that book anymore. Typos are my kryptonite, thanks for paying attention. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 18:11, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:MLB MLB], thanks for chiming in. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:18, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Toast ==<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/toast_stross/mode/2up this archive.org link] is not for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?247813 2006 tp edition]. No page numbering, number of pages is incorrect, no cover illustration. This is most likely an e-book, self published by the author. I removed the link from my verified pub. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:46, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Yes, it is by the author, as he explains in a note following the copyright page. It's also the only edition of Toast on Archive.org, and it does have the same ISBN as the 2006 TP and is the only expanded edition, and hardly anyone knows it's there judging by the fact that it was uploaded in 2015 but there's still less than 1,000 views, so I figured the best place to put it would be in your edition, but apparently not. So now I'll just put it in the title record; the most important thing is allowing people to read it. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:09, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Publication Links to scans ==<br />
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Hi Username<br />
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Please don't remove links to other scans when adding new scans, unless the original links are no longer active. I know that you prefer Open Library links to links directly to the Internet Archive, but that is no reason to overwrite existing links that have been previously added. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:52, 17 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: The Archive links I replaced were all added by me; if someone else had added them then I would have left them alone. The Luminist PDFs I've been adding lately are all fully readable and printable, unlike the Archive copies, unless you have a 14-day pass or whatever is needed, and then they encrypt them and people complain about them all the time and so on. It's fine with something like Dalby's Ghosts For Christmas, where I noticed that you approved my edit replacing Archive link with Luminist PDF and then added Archive link back immediately afterwards, since there's a slight possibility that the Luminist site might disappear off the web and the only readable copy would be on Archive, but I disagree with putting back those lousy Dark Shadows Archive links with their menu and Jane Austen URL that has nothing to do with the books themselves, but if you and other mods feel like adding all of those dozens of Archive links back, so be it. EDIT: I see you just approved my edit replacing the 2 Google Drive links (that I added some time ago) for The Elemental and the Ace Double containing the infamous how-long-is-it? Falcons of Narabedla, that Luminist used to use for many of their books, with the PDFs that they've converted most of their books into, and then added back the old Google Drive links, anyway. Seems pointless, but whatever. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:00, 17 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Infinity Three ==<br />
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I accepted your submission adding this publication by mistake, so I deleted it. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18237 Here] is the existing record. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:34, 17 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Your question on image replacement ==<br />
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In [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5394627 this submission], you stated "I replaced the wrong cover image, which has the old edition's info on the side, with the correct cover with info on the top, but I had to replace it here because, as has happened several times before, the uploaded cover didn't go to the same page as the old uploaded cover, so if moderator wants to contact somebody and ask them to fix that it would be great" This behaviour you observed is a consequence of copying publication records to create another printing and/or edition. As a consequence, the image URL is also copied, but continues to point to the original cloned record. The only solution to fix this problem is either to go to the cloned record and update the image there, or, if the intent is to replace with a correct image, then you need to do what you've done here, and upload a new cover image and update the corresponding pub record. As far as I can tell, there's not much that can be done about this without significantly changing the software's behaviour. Hope this clarifies. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 12:42, 19 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: OK, but the last several times this happened one of the long-time mods, maybe JLaTondre or Ahasuerus, said they fixed it so it pointed to the right page. I don't know what they did, but I doubt it was just replacing it in the record, or maybe it was, who knows. I left that message simply because I was tired of leaving a message on the boards every time this happened and wanted either the original uploader or the mod who approved the edit to take care of it. In the future I'll just replace it in the book's record, although that still means, I think, that the old wrong cover still has a page on the Wiki somewhere. Also, why is the word "behaviour" in your message flagged as a wrong spelling, with a red underline? The mods' names have it, too, which is logical because they're not actual words, but shouldn't spellcheck recognize British spelling? --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:09, 19 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Indeed, the old cover has still a page on the wiki - however, if no pub record points to it anymore, eg because they have been replaced with another one, it doesn't really matter if it does, right? You can ask a moderator to cleanup these orphan picture uploads, but not sure myself if that's really needed or expected.<br />
::As far as I understand it, if your system is set up to check US spelling, then it does that, and only that. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 13:52, 28 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Thirteenth Ghost Book ==<br />
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I'm holding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5402720 this submission]. Since there aren't any pages with Roman numerals, the Pages field should remain unchanged. The page number for the 'Editor's Preface' should be 7. (not bracketed). I see that the table of contents shows vii for the page number. However, from the first bullet point under [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Regular_Titles Regular Titles] Page -"Caution: Do not use the table of contents to determine the page numbers of a publication's contents." Resubmit and I'll approve. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:25, 27 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== A word on the use of <nowiki>{{incomplete}}</nowiki> ==<br />
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Hello. Just an FYI - if you happen to know that not all spec fic content has been added to a publication (as you mentioned in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5408632 this submission]), then you can use the <nowiki>{{incomplete}}</nowiki> template in the notes field (unless you plan on adding them right after in a subsequent edit, of course ;)). That'll allow cleanup reports to list these pubs. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 03:40, 1 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: I've been told that before, but when I used to do that, sometimes, the contents were almost never entered by anyone until I eventually ended up doing it at some point, so it's a waste of time; most of the people here don't really care about helping with anything that doesn't interest them personally, and even if they did many of the editors/moderators are very reluctant to help me with anything because I'm not a sycophant and don't let them bully me, or they're still mad about some sarcastic comment I made a year-and-a-half ago, so they ignore anything with my name on it, as can be seen by the hundreds of messages I've left on the boards since 2021, when I started editing, that have never been answered. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:25, 1 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::''I'm'' interested in the incompletes. It would be useful if you would add it. —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 03:37, 17 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Highgate Vampire ==<br />
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It seems to me that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5406724 The Highgate Vampire] is SHORTFICTION, not an ESSAY. I find it strange that Manchester should write an ESSAY on his own story (albeit not impossible). Do you have evidence elsewhere that this should be converted? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 06:40, 1 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Because the edit of mine you approved recently containing Highgate Vampire includes a link to the Coronet copy on R. Dalby's site, and the photo of contents page says 4 new vampire stories or something similar, and that title is not in that section, it's in the essay section. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:11, 1 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: OK, thanks for the explanation. I've approved it. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 12:46, 1 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Narrator template ==<br />
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Please use the <nowiki>{{Narrator|}}</nowiki> template in audio publications. I'm sure you saw where I have added it to some of your edits. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:16, 14 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Exotic Gothic: Forbidden Tales From Our Gothic World ==<br />
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When some of the page numbers are not visible/readable but the order of the stories is (such as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?279827 here], use piped numbers tied to the story before and after the missing numbers to keep the order of the titles in the publication. I added the two missing numbers [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?279827 here]. When you leave some stories without any numbers while others have page numbers, they float to the top of the list, before the preface in this case. This way the order is preserved and visible. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:39, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: That's a deliberate choice; I'm the one who almost always eventually finds somewhere that shows the missing numbers and then fills them in, with a few very rare cases where some other person finds them and deigns to fill them in themselves, hopefully actually letting me know they did that so I don't think they're still missing, which they usually don't and I just stumble on the completed record some time in the future. So it makes it easier to know which are missing if they're all bunched at the top rather than having to look through sometimes very long contents lists to find them, hoping that I actually catch them all. You added the pipes to this one, however, so whatever, who cares, nothing matters anymore. WorldCat's new site is a mess, Amazon has completely changed their site for the worse, Fantastic Fiction doesn't show Amazon covers anymore because of those changes, and our site's move to a new server has been a total nightmare, with bugs galore and spam messages outnumbering the real ones. Not to mention another world war is in the offing, which will make this whole thing moot because internet service will be gone and nobody will be using ISFDB, anyway. Thanks for adding those pipes, though. :) EDIT: Turns out there's a snippet copy on Google, typed the titles, found the numbers, so now they're complete once edit's approved. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:29, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Approved. The point stands though - if we know the order, we use pipes to make the publication page as presentable as possible. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 20:05, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== How to Survive a Fire at the Greenmark ==<br />
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I rejected [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5417773 this submission], as there was another title record involved. A merge produces [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2365084 this title record]. It was easier for me to just do it, rather than have you redo your submission. Thanks for catching this, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:04, 17 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Tell-Tale Heart ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?915136 This] publication appears on the exception report because it is lacking the content title. You have marked it juvenile. Is that because of the publisher or did you see it stated somewhere? I looked at [https://archive.org/details/william-castle-telltale-heart] and [https://cartoonresearch.com/index.php/hanna-barbera-does-the-tell-tale-heart/]. Initially, I imported the regular title, but reversed it pending your input. What do you think? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 07:48, 19 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Yes, it's part of a cartoon series, cartoons are for kids, especially older cartoons like Hanna-Barbera's; if it was Adult Swim or something that would be different, but pretty much everything H-B did was marketed to kids. EDIT: Also, I imported it myself, but it's currently waiting in a 330-edit list of mine, so you don't have to import anything, it'll be accepted sometime in the near future. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:38, 19 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: You submission is approved. <Strike>Please do two more things. First, merge the duplicated CHAPBOOK title records (check for duplicates in the publication Editing Tools: menu)</strike> Please use the narrator template, <nowiki>{{Narrator|William Castle}}</nowiki>, rather than straight text. When(if) we make narrators their own record, it will be easier to implement. Post when you submissions is in the queue and I'll approve them. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:32, 19 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: Approved, Thank you [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:57, 19 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== New Writings in Horror and the Supernatural, Vol. 2 ==<br />
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I rejected [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5422611 this submission] and resubmitted it without the change to the title record. The three title records (anthology, and two content titles) incorrectly credited to an alternate name were fixed via merges. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23815 Here] is the final result. Thanks for finding this. If anything is not clear, ask. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:12, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Evocations ==<br />
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Regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5422619 this submission]. What is the source for the contents? Are you planning on submitting the remaining titles? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:33, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Probably Amazon Look Inside or Scribd, I don't remember, it's been so long, that's why mods should unfreeze the notes box so editors can add info like that when importing titles. Maybe this: https://thebookloversboudoir.wordpress.com/2015/08/04/book-review-evocations-by-james-brogden/; and no, I only imported stories already on ISFDB, since I don't know how the other stories are titled in the print book, online info being unreliable at best, and I don't have a copy to check. If a copy ever shows up on Archive or somewhere then I can enter the rest, assuming I'm still doing this by then. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:15, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: I'll add a note citing Look inside and the <nowiki>{{Incomplete}}</nowiki> template. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:55, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Venus, the Lonely Goddess ==<br />
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Re; [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5425887 this submission]. The title page shows 'The Lonely Goddess' as the subtitle. Shouldn't the title be 'Venus: The Lonely Goddess' to comply with our standards? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:28, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Yes, I think you're right. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:32, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: If you resubmit, I'll approve it. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:38, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: Just approve it and I'll do another edit adding the colons; there's other info in that edit besides just the change of title. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:46, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::: Approved, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:49, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Chapbooks and title level fields ==<br />
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Please be careful when adding chapbooks. In general the flags such as novelization don't apply. Also links should only be added if they apply to the publication. If you're trying to add a link or a novelization flag they belong on the SHORTFICTION that you are adding. After the new chapbook edit is approved, you can add them on the newly created SHORTFICTION title. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:32, 3 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Changing author/artist names in publications. ==<br />
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Please remember that when you change an author's name inside a publication the publication or title records are the only record for that author, it is better to ask the moderators to change the name in the author record as to preserve any other data in the author record. For example, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5437438 this edit] removes the last reference to Arnid Johnston. The existing record includes the author's legal name which will be lost when that record is deleted as a result of the edit. You had one other edit that I approved today that had a similar issue. I'll go ahead and approve and update the new record with the former record's legal name. However, it's best to correct these sorts of errors in the author record. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:10, 5 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Heart-Beast'' cover URLs ==<br />
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Would you take a look at {{P|16664|Heart-Beast}}? Your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5433424 submission], which I accepted, seems/seemed to have an m.media-amazon.com Amazon cover URL in it that the software didn't like. Accepting the submission further seems to have ignored it, because the pub record has an images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com URL (to a poorer quality image, but it's the same cover). And I know you've been on a bit of a mission to change m-media.amazon.com links to images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com links for stability reasons. So I'm a bit confused about what's up, I sort of doubt you would have changed something from images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com, and I suspect the URL in the record is what we want and not the URL seen in the submission. That is what we have at the moment, anyway. If you think something should be different, let me know and submit whatever is appropriate, and I'll follow up. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 06:56, 6 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: It is not the m-media.amazon.com that is an issue (it is an exact mirror of images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com so every image on one of them exist under the same name on the other - if we decide not to use m-media.amazon.com, these can be swapped behind the scenes although a lot of the new images coming in are using m-media.amazon.com so it may be a losing battle). The problem in this one is that it is an /images/G/ image and those have their ".L" after a dot - which is caught into the check for formatting so you see this error unlike the cases with the /P/ images where it shows the "these are not /I/ images warning -- the current software can only show 1 warning per field. We do not know how stable /G/ are - I think these may be the old user images which may mean that a user can delete them at their whim. The only ones we know to be stable are the images in /images/I/ so that warning is there for anything that is not in the /images/I/ space in Amazon. It can be ignored for spaces we do not know much I suspect (such as /G/) but if a better image is found over in /I/, it will be better. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 10:44, 6 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Hi. Yes, I understood the warning. What I didn't/don't understand is why that submission's URL did not "take" when I accepted the submission. I'm suspecting that submission didn't actually try to do anything with the URL, and the desired image is the one currently linked (and not on m-media.amazon.com). I didn't want to contravene anyone's intentions by trying to "fix" it, so I thought I'd ask. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 20:38, 6 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Extended Play'' and "A Night in Tunisia" ==<br />
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Hi. Just FYI, I rejected [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5433436 this submission]. The primary verifier had completed the contents in a submission made the day before, and "A Night in Tunisia" was already in the contents when I went to process this. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:41, 8 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Italian books ==<br />
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A few notes:<br />
: When adding Italian books, the NILF number (the digits at the end of fantascienza.com's IDs which follow the "NILF" prefix) goes into the external IDs, not in the links. <br />
: "digest" is not one of the formats we use for books (it is defined only for magazines) - we use either pb or tp for paperbacks. <br />
: The Translator goes into the title note, not the publication note (or in both if so you prefer but it is required on the title level). <br />
All 3 were fixed post approval [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?918597 Operazione: Sterminio] and I also created the variant while I was around. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:21, 10 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: A few more notes: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?5646; 2 novels entered by other editors as "digest"; 2 records which have the translator in the publication note (and without using the translator template), 1 of which also has the translator in the title note and 1 of which doesn't. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:49, 10 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: So they need cleaning up and fixes. As you had probably realized by now, there are a lot of things in the DB that need fixing. Some of them are because of changed rules through the years (the older the record, the more likely is that it was added under different rules and practices), some of them are because of incomplete sources or human mistakes and some of them are simply because the editor did not check the rules and applied their own logic. We try to keep to the rules with new entries and current updates; when time permits, older stuff gets also cleaned up. It is the nature of collaborative projects which survive as long a ours. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:55, 10 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Yeah, I know there's lots of things that need fixing because I've fixed thousands of them. I'll fix these because like so many others if I don't they'll never get fixed, with many of my fixes being for mistakes that have been in the edit history since 2006-2007 when public editing first started; most of the current editors and moderators have abandoned anything except modern e-books, leaving hundreds of thousands of pre-e books and magazines to oblivion. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:21, 10 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Open Library OL and archive.org ==<br />
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Once again (User talk:Pwendt#Doll Who Came Alive) I do have an account with password to Borrow rather than merely Preview. <br />
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How do you use OpenLibrary.org and Archive.org in conjunction, for research?<br />
And when hope to add Webpage at archive.org, or External ID "OL....", for others to follow? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:22, 18 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Are there books with a Preview available, which are not available for anyone to Borrow? (maybe equivalent to Not in the Library) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 11:57, 21 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: I'm no expert, but the relation between OL and Archive seems to be messy; there are books that show up on OL that don't on Archive even though the previewable copy is an Archive book, there are Archive books that don't show up on OL, books on OL but not on Archive often have a blue borrow unavailable tag at the top, trying to borrow something for 14 days using the pull-down menu next to borrow for 1 hour gives you epub or pdf links which only download some ASIM thing that you're supposed to use with some kind of Adobe reader or something and don't let you print anything from them, etc. I gather from messages on the site that Archive used to be much better about letting people borrow material for longer periods until they got complaints about copyrighted material on their site and switched to the 1 hour thing. So I'd say search for whatever you're looking for on both OL and Archive and, as long as nobody else has it borrowed, you can keep renewing the 1 hour thing endlessly. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:00, 21 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Doctor Doolittle ==<br />
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Would you consider this pub record still be corrupt (as per the notes), after [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5444256 your edit]? If not, I suggest removing that note. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 08:26, 20 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Going by the edit history it seems Pwendt wrote it, so I left them a message asking to remove it if they think it needs to be now, after my edits. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:35, 20 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Frank Mahood ==<br />
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FYI. You've submitted a couple of edits crediting Frank Mahood as artist - however, he's the jacket designer, which does not imply he's the artist. We do not record designers as artists (unless it's very clear he/she is). That info goes into the notes instead. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 15:09, 20 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Talisman ==<br />
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Re: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?532472 The Talisman]; I think we should go ahead and change the publisher to 'Constable'. Also, clarify in the publisher record that it is now an imprint of Hatchet via Little, Brown and Company. What do you think? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:15, 26 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I think so; best ask a mod first, but remember it's Hachette, not Hatchet. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:52, 26 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Pardon my typo in the above post. If you prefer another mod than me, feel free to solicit one. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:06, 26 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Dude, I don't care at all. I thought it would be best to ask before making a major change like that, as I've been chastised many times for changing stuff. If you're a senior mod go ahead and change it on your own without asking anyone. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:16, 26 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Giesbrecht / Geisbrecht ==<br />
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Hi. This [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5449569 submission] fixes the title but also changes Jennifer Giesbrecht to Jennifer Geisbrecht, which would be a new author record. The Look Inside for the paperback edition of ''Thirteen: Stories of Transformation'' show it as the former spelling in the TOC, on the back cover, and in the interior (although it does not show the interior ones). Searching for "Geisbrecht" found one hit in the interior but does not show it. Is that spelling change a typo or intentional? It looks like her name is actually "Giesbrecht" (see her [https://jennifergiesbrecht.carrd.co/ website]). If there is a credit in there spelled "Geisbrecht", since the book also has credit(s) with the correct spelling, I think we'd be best off assuming it's a typo, using the correct spelling for the credit, and recording the discrepancy and in-publication sources of each of the spellings in the notes. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:43, 29 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:You're probably right. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:45, 29 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::Oh, I see from your later submission that you found it on archive.org. I took a look, and in that copy, it's "Giesbrecht" in the TOC, on the copyright page, and on the back cover, while it's Geisbrecht on the story title page and the running titles. I guess it's safest to document it with the misspelling make a variant. At least there's reasonable provenance that they're the same person.... --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:56, 29 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Heat ==<br />
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Concerning [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5459602 this submission]: is there a particular reason why you want to remove the Reginald-3 reference from the External IDs list? In error perhaps? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 12:18, 8 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: I noticed this edit was on hold, and knew I wouldn't have removed anything (I'm the one who added this edition in the first place), and looking at edit history now, I see RTrace added the Archive.org link, which I tried to add, on 11/02, so I can only assume that my edit, being in the queue for so long, resulted in the LCCN ID I also tried to add conflicting with the Reginald-3 ID he added (he adds a whole lot of those). So the only thing needed now is the LCCN ID, so I'll cancel my old edit and make a new one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:27, 8 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks! - and yes, the queue is horrendous atm :( [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 13:16, 8 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Spectrum 5 ==<br />
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We don't change the title of a PVed book without a verification by the PV when we have an active PV (and we do not change the title without a note when there is a PV at all): they may be holding a slightly different book or they may confirm the change but in all cases, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5484232 this] cannot be approved without a check with the verifier. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:59, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: The same for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5484204 Spectrum 4] [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:00, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: And [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5484207 Spectrum 3]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:01, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Just a suggestion ==<br />
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Rather than 'fixed title' in your moderator notes, consider an explanation of what you are changing. Make it easy for the pv to see what you did. In [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5465175 this] example, 'removed series from publication and cover art titles'. Up to you. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:00, 17 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Carnage Road ==<br />
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Re: your note to moderator. I agree the date should be April 2012. However, MLB has deemed the 'The Author' as significant by creating a title record so the Pages field must include those in the count. I suggest submitting an edit for the date and notifying MLB. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:13, 17 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Theatre of Timesmiths ==<br />
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You were correct there was a problem with this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?50893 publication]. It had the wrong title record. It was originally entered as 'A Theatre of Timesmiths'. When the publication title was changed, the title record was not. The way to fix it was to import the correct title record and remove the incorrect one. Unfortunately, after I fixed the publication, I meant to reject your variant submission, but approved it by mistake (subsequently fixed). Great job finding this. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:17, 17 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Drummer Boy ==<br />
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For [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5466669 this submission], Amazon says HC, can you provide the source for your edit? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 07:45, 18 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Mischief-Makers ==<br />
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Hello, I have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5472517 your submission] on hold as I couldn't find spec fic elements at cursory glance. Can you provide evidence these belong into the database? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 12:10, 18 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: Shirley Jackson, Joan Aiken, Alan Garner, Richard Parker, Joseph Payne Brennan are all on ISFDB, so should be imported, and I suspect if anyone wants to read the other stories some of them would be genre, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:36, 18 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks, approved. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 05:29, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Re. Mr Ho ==<br />
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Re. your minor [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5464886 edit] for the story "Mr Ho" in 'Tales from the Fragrant Harbour', I'm trying to establish via the publisher Keith Brooke if "Mr Ho" has a period in the title or not, as this may affect whether we need to variant. (my own copy is thousands of miles away and currently inaccessible). Will get back to you on this soon when I hear from Mr. Brooke. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 07:36, 21 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:Keith Brooke has advised me the story appears without a period in his Infinity Plus edition, so I've added a variant that does include a period for your PS edition. Your original edit will need to be rejected. I've also put the stories in your ebook edition in the (very likely) same order as the tp edition; if there are any differences you would need to re-order them. All done, thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 06:58, 22 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Shadow Games and Other... ==<br />
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Hi. I think that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5481414 Shadown Games and Other Sinister Stories of Show Business] that you've submitted should be flagged as non-genre (can't find any spec fic elements, but who knows?). Do you agree?<br />
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Also, I tend to discourage adding non-genre titles, even for well known gene authors, but your mileage may vary. Ed Gorman is a corner case where you could argue he is 'above the threshold', so I leave it to you to decide to keep this non-genre(?) title in or not. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 10:28, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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Same for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5481798 Farewell, Fond Dreams]. Didn't check thoroughly, but doesn't seem genre to me. Or is it? (this author definitely shouldn't have any non-genre titles in the database). [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 10:39, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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: All of the contents in Gorman's book are on ISFDB, the full-length novel and the stories; looking into this led me to discover that the novel has both editions on Archive.org so I've added links to each and created a record for the Leisure edition which for some reason was never entered here. The Gordon collection includes his ISFDB poem, a couple of short stories on ISFDB, and a couple of those many Exhibition stories, so yes, it belongs here; I suspect if anyone were to read the rest of that pretentious nonsense they'd probably find that some of the other contents are genre, too. EDIT: I'm the one who entered The Haunted Gay but it got errored out which led to it being a stray, which has only happened to me once before, so I asked about it and was told what to do, but it took so long to get approved that a few days ago somebody named Zapp must have seen my message and fixed it, although he added ASIN which doesn't make sense for such an old book, but whatever. Now the Edit History only shows Zapp, so my discovering and entering this rare book will go uncredited, which has happened to me several times recently. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:59, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:: OK, thanks. Both approved (I didn't import contents though. If you could take care of that?) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 03:53, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:::I imported into Gorman's book but as I said Giles Gordon's book probably contains other genre SS so someone can read it and then decide what to do, import and add new ones, whatever. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:56, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Five Jars ==<br />
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Concerning [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5486580 your edit] I noticed that you left the US edition at 1922-00-00. Now, that's a bit awkward because the UK edition clearly states "First published October, 1922", but whether that refers to the UK edition only, or both UK and US editions, I wouldn't know. Any suggestion on how to treat this ? Re-date US edition to 1922-10-00 as well, with note that it possibly could have been published at a later date (but still 1922)? (author is British, so presumably the UK edition is leading(?)). Thanks, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 08:07, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:MagicUnk, the US edition should remain 1922 unless we have a source for the month. If we want to speculate on the date, that can be added to the pub notes, but we shouldn't change the date itself. There is no issue with having the title date be more specific than some of the pub dates if we know the first appearance. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:32, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:: OK, will approve. Not sure if username can dig up more details on the pub date of the US edition. ;) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 08:54, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Cover Uploading ==<br />
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Regarding your note to moderator [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5487303 here]: The cover uploading did go to the right page. The issue was the previous link was to an image for a {{P|189937|different edition}}. Someone either forgot to remove the image when they cloned the record or reused the image with the incorrect assumption it was the same. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:29, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== J. J. Ace & Nick Aires are (not) alternate names... ==<br />
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I have your submissions [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5485961], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5485964] on hold as I doubt that J.J. Ace is an alternate name for Nick Aires. The only link between the two I could find is the reference to Andreychuk (by Bill Longley) here: {{a|J. J. Ace}}. No source given. The 'About the Author' in [https://archive.org/details/judgmentday00acej/page/300/mode/2up Judgment Day] reveals that J.J. Ace may be an alternate name for {{a|James Richey}} (or not). Can you dig up more substantial evidence to link both Ace and Aires? If not, I'll remove the legal name from J.J. Ace's record, and move it to the note and state that it is doubtful that Andreychuk is his legal name. Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 08:55, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Hour of the Cyclops ==<br />
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Hi once more. Concerning these submissions [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5485522], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5485520], statement in the notes of one of the verified publication says 'Exerpt of shoft story "Hour of the Cyclops" '. Nevertheless, you've added the story without the '(excerpt)' modifier. Do you have source/evidence it's not an excerpt, but the actual short story itself? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 09:07, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: Because it's the exact same text, starting and ending with the same lines, as the online-readable story on 3LBE, which was its original publication. Whoever entered the "excerpt" note was unaware of that, it seems, and it also seems most people are unaware that they reprinted the story, which used to only be available in the original limited edition, in these later editions, since the book doesn't include the story on the contents page and so websites that list the contents miss it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:18, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks, approved. Also, don't forget to check on earlier messages on your talk page (there can be multiple) ;) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 10:47, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Planetfall ==<br />
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Regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5490780 this submission]: This seems like a story written in Planetfall setting and not a novelization of the game. The front page says "an authentically new adventure in the bestselling world of Planetfall." The description on the back does not sound like the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetfall video game]. Let me know if I'm missing something. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:22, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:Hard to say; some Infocom-related sites call it a novelization, like https://yois.if-legends.org/salesinfo.php?id=1265, and http://www.locusmag.com/index/t168.htm and https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/planetfall do, too. But https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/Planetfall says, "Arthur Byron Cover wrote a novel for Planetfall and Stationfall though they're set after the games with similar events happening again", so it's hard to say. Technically it's not and neither is the sequel, so uncheck the novelization boxes, I suppose. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:05, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Editing records with primary verifications. ==<br />
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Another moderator contacted me about [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5491318 this submission] that you made to change the title of a publication for which I have a primary verification. As has been mentioned before, our etiquette is to contact the active verfiers '''prior''' to submitting an edit unless it falls under one of the exceptions specified on the verifier's talk page. In my case, that is for adding a missing cover image, or adding notes. Changing the title does not fall into those exceptions. Please refrain from making further edits to records with primary verifications until after you have contacted the active primary verifiers first. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:33, 26 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:Well, you didn't enter the title as it appears on the copyright page, Year's Best Weird Fiction, Vol. 1, but you also didn't enter it as it appears on the title page (there's no comma) nor did you enter it as is standard on ISFDB for series anthologies with subtitles, adding a colon between the title and the subtitle, so it's hard to figure out what you intended to do. As you told the mod who contacted you, the title now matches the other books in the series, which is how it should have been entered in the first place. It's easy to say contact PV first, but many of them never answer or they answer with anger at daring to question their work or they say they're not really active anymore and they don't care much about any changes made. In the future I'll be sure to contact you about any and every change since you seem to still be semi-active. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:46, 26 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::A verifier is not necessarily the person who entered the data and things do occasionally get missed. However, that is the point here. Regardless of the merits of the edit, you should have asked me before you entered it and I know that I've asked you to do so before. I'm sorry if other verifiers responded with anger, but that is no reason to ignore the requirement with respect to all verifiers. I'll also point out that the Last User Activity Date is right next to the indication of verification. Given that I make edits most days, I am puzzled as to why you think I'm only semi-active or why you would have thought I was inactive long enough that you were exempt from the requirement to pre-notify. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:15, 26 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:::Probably because the last edit of mine you approved was 10 days ago, so I just assumed you'd given up like another mod has recently or you were sick and/or in the hospital for the umpteenth time like several of the other mods. Anyway, a few more problems I've noticed since looking at all of this again: 1) The title date of #1 is earlier than the edition you PV but there's no record for an earlier edition here; 2) The foreign edition is the only book in the "Modern Weird" Series with no series #, format or cover artist, and the other 3 books are listed as 2 PB and a TP, so obviously one of those formats is wrong; 3) Volume 3 HC has no page count, cover artist or contents, and while cover images for both editions are the same and the TP does have a cover artist later volumes in the series have a different cover (#4 also has 2 separate cover artists) for each edition so it's possible that whoever entered 3's HC cover just copy-and-pasted the TP cover without checking to see if that was the right cover, as has happened so many times before with other books ; 4) Volume 4 HC has no ISBN or page count, doesn't have the day entered like the TP does, and neither edition has page numbers entered for the contents; 5) Volume 5 HC has no cover artist, the page counts of each edition are different, and neither edition has page numbers entered for the contents, plus the viewable e-book on Amazon (never entered on ISFDB) says Five, not 5, in the title, so both editions probably have the wrong title. I may have missed something, but these are the problems I see, in case anyone chances across this message and can fix anything I've mentioned. EDIT: While there don't seem to be any eBay copies of this series with anything other than cover photos, I did find this: https://alligatortreegraphics.files.wordpress.com/2019/12/ybwf5.pdf, so Volume 5 clearly should be Five since this is either the TP or HC judging by the fact that the contents page has page numbers on it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:42, 26 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::::Your definition of being active in the project as has approved your submissions recently is odd. In the context of who is required to be notified before editing their verified publications you should determine who is an active editor by the Last User Activity Date shown in the publication record. I don't know why you continue to try to find excuses to circumvent this requirement, but this requirement applies any publication verified by an active editor; not just moderators, and certainly not just moderators that have approved your edits recently. Your suppositions about my health are also odd. I don't know why you would assume that I am sick or hospitalized. I have been consistently active on the site for many years, except when traveling, which I always note in the Moderator Availability list at the head of the [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard|Moderator noticeboard]]. There is a much simpler explanation as to why I have not approved any of your edits in the last 10 days. That is because there are many other edits before yours in the queue. Currently, the earliest edit in the queue which is not held, or has some other question preventing its approval is from October 30. Your earliest unheld edit is from November 18. While some moderators may cherry pick which editors they want to approve, I do not. I work from the earliest edits first. There are simply hundreds if not thousands of edits in the queue before yours. As for your questions regarding the Year's Best Weird Fiction series, it sounds like you have some research to do. I do think it's unlikely that anyone with insight happening upon this thread under this heading are quite small. You'd probably have better luck posting a question in [[ISFDB:Verification requests|Verification requests]]. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:56, 27 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Picture Mommy Dead ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5496327 this submission]. Looking at the Wikipedia article for the film, it does not appear that there are any supernatural elements to the story. Do you have evidence that the novel has speculative elements that would make it eligible for inclusion in the project? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:19, 14 December 2022 (EST)<br />
: Oh yes, it's like a Gothic novel in film form, with a young lady seeing hallucinations of the fiery ghost of her dead mommy, bleeding paintings, creepy talking dolls, etc., while her wicked stepmother tries to get her inheritance; at the end she and her dad go insane. So I think it would qualify even if some of those things may only be in her mind; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLN90cNNomw. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:08, 14 December 2022 (EST)<br />
::That description sounds psychological as opposed to supernatural which doesn't qualify under our [[ISFDB:Policy#Definitions of Speculative Fiction|Definitions of Speculative Fiction]]. I'll cross post this on the [[ISFDB:Community Portal|Community Portal]] and see if we can get some additional opinions. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:08, 14 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Cage ==<br />
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Regarding your comment in the moderator note of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5513407 this submission]: Yes, the canonical title is dated with the date of first appearance even if the first appearance was under an alternate name. The only exception is if a translation appeared before it was published in the original language. We use the first canonical language publication date in those cases.<br />
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By the way, http://www.philsp.com/ links to specific entries are pretty much useless as they are not stable. When they add new data or otherwise make updates to their site, the links end up pointing to different data. I removed it from the notes as it no longer pointed to the the Ray Russell entry. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:43, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Fast Ships, Black Sails ==<br />
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What is the source of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5515393 this date change]? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:00, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:As so often happens, someone, in this case the long-gone/dead Bluesman, submitted and approved the title date in late 2010, but the 2 PV, you and RTrace, had verified the book in 2009 and early 2010 and so nobody ever fixed the book date to match the title date, so I did. If either of you two want to fix all the other cover art/essay/story dates now you can do so. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:30, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
::The month does not appear in the book. Amazon does give October, but it would be better to have a more reliable source. I changed the title record to be just 2008 and rejected the edit. You can re-add the Internet Archive link based on the desire you expressed to do it yourself in our earlier discussion. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:52, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Movie Fantastic ==<br />
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Concerning [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5502186 your edit], it seems to me that ISBN ending in 139 is for the tp edition - see [https://www.ebay.com/itm/274089387617] and [https://archive.org/details/moviefantasticbe00anna/]. A price tag of $2.95 would be consistent with that. ISBN ending in 163 is for HC - see [https://www.abebooks.com/9780517518168/Movie-Fantastic-Beyond-Dream-Machine-0517518163/plp]. Would also mean that OL & OCLC IDs would have to be removed from the hc edition & moved to the tp edition (which doesn't exist yet). Am assuming LCCN is for the hc edition. Could you double-check this makes sense? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 09:47, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:It's been so long since I did this that I don't remember the details, so I just cancelled it. If you want to take it up yourself maybe you can figure out what's what. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:36, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Zelig ==<br />
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You contributed the publication [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?929400 Zelig]. But I wonder if this has speculative contents. Could you explain why this pub should be selected? The content of the film does not appear to have any speculative elements. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 02:59, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: It was nominated for a Saturn Award for Best Director and a SF Chronicle Award for Dramatic Presentation, it was reviewed by Colin Greenland in genre magazine Imagine (January 1984), etc. The title character is a chameleon who can physically change in order to fit in and moves through history taking on the characteristics of famous figures. It's a fantasy, certainly, even if it probably wasn't marketed that way because of the usual snobbery against genre films. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:32, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks. By the way, I read about me in [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Username#Shadow_Games_and_Other... here]. I've been working on 'Cleanup Reports' for a while to correct missing data. But I don't check who previously entered data before each edit. Regarding 'The Haunted Gay', the publication was created after 10/24/2016, so the first contributor is not apparent. Sorry for causing annoyance. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 16:02, 21 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Clive Barker Image ==<br />
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Hi Username -<br />
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Could you please take another look at [[ISFDB:Community Portal#Clive Barker Author Photo|this discussion]]. There has been a third edit to change the author image and I think we need to reach a consensus rather than continue to churn the image. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:27, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Nog's Vision ==<br />
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These submissions [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5548247 submission1], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5548248 submission2] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5548249 Submission3] are not correct. <br />
<ul><li>If [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?117165 Brian Hall] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?352747 Brian P. Hall] are the same author, then we make Brian P. Hall an alternate name of Brian Hall and variant [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3091797 The Wizard of Maldoone].<br />
<li>If they are not the same author then we make Brian Hall(I) the author of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1823138 Nog's Vision], an alternate name for Brian P. Hall and variant. </ul><br />
Are you able to make a determination? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:02, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:I guess you're right. Cancel them and do whatever you need to; I see you just did some other edits for this title, anyway. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:27, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:: All I did was convert [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3091797 The Wizard of Maldoone] to a chapbook. I was hoping you could determine whether any(all) of the Brian Hall titles are by Brian P. Hall. Will research them? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:36, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Books by Hall and P. Hall both published by Paulist Press; also, bio in Brian Hall book calls him Brian P. Hall. So yes, they're the same person. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:41, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Donald Glut ==<br />
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Hi Username -<br />
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You had submitted an edit to make [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?352637 Donald Glut] into a variant name for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?2445 Donald F. Glut], which I approved. However, your subsequent [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5569807 edit] changes the only credit as "Donald Glut" to "Donald F. Glut" effectively deleting the variant author. You have not indicated any source for the change in credit on the title page of the essay. Did you perhaps intend to make the essay into a variant title under the parent name? If so, please delete the edit and reissue as a make variant. If not, please provide your source for the author credit for the essay. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:42, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I rejected it and it says TitleUpdate; I did it again and it says MakeVariant. I think that's what it should have been in the first place. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:29, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Hasty for the Dark: Selected Horrors ==<br />
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After accepting your submissions correcting the author attribution for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?632493 Hasty for the Dark: Selected Horrors], I removed all the Adam Nevill titles and imported or added the Adam L. G. Nevill titles. If you intended to do it yourself, I'm sorry. There was no note to moderator letting me know your intentions. Next time, change the pub and title records before importing the contents. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:20, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:What will changing those records first do in terms of the contents? I'm never clear about these kind of details. Would it eliminate some steps afterwards? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:24, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Hopefully you would have submitted [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5574809 this import] instead of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5132606 this one] saving the removal step. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:42, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Final Shadows ==<br />
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Re: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5574427 This submission], I think you meant to link to the tp edition. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:09, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:No, because photo of back cover has HC ISBN and price + other photos are clearly of the HC, too. FantLab just jumbles together info from various sources; nothing they write is reliable, only photos are reliable. By the way, you're one of the mods who seem to like following up on some of the edits you approve with your own edits so I'll mention that the last FantLab photo has a date, September 27, which is supposedly when it was scheduled to come out, in case you can find a publisher's slip photo or something to verify. Of course, that would also mean having to change all the story dates, too, so you may not want to bother. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:21, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:: I agree, the photos are of the hc edition. If this is common, I'll watch for it. Pondering on whether we should add a pub note whenever this situation arises. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:00, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Ritual ==<br />
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In edits like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5574855 this], what is your preference? Create the variant or leave it for you? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:50, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:If you notice something needs a variant it would be better for you to do it because you're a mod and your edit will be approved immediately while mine will probably sit there at the top of my long list for days/weeks, which is silly for those kinds of small repetitive edits. If you don't notice or don't have the time I or someone else will notice eventually and do it. It's up to you. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:02, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Got it, thanks. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:04, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Bitternest Chronicles ==<br />
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Any thoughts on whether we should change the publication date [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?325516 here]? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:07, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I tend to leave post-2007 ISBN-13 dates alone because e-books made such a mess of determining exact publication dates it's usually hard or impossible to tell when something was actually published. That doesn't mean someone else can't change it if they feel like they're sure when it was actually published. The publisher seems very obscure, although I did find that cool Youtube trailer so apparently at one point they thought they were going to be something. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:06, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Links in notes ==<br />
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Do you still want me to convert [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?61965 this] to a clickable link? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:01, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Please do make any link I provide (there must be thousands by now) clickable if you really want to; I'm an amateur who knows nothing about HTML or hot tags or whatever they call them and just let people cut-and-paste if they want to see the linked whatever. Coincidentally, see my 2 sad attempts at linking to that Bloch boxed set Amazon link you approved a little while ago, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5582236, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5582241. Also, the Bloch Midnight Pleasures edit you just approved didn't see me move my old note to the bullet list, or whatever you call it, in the notes, which I do when I see any these days because I've learned how to do it, and I also noticed that in the moderator notes I said "Archive.org copy" instead of link; I usually use the word copy when I'm writing about where I got info from in the regular note section. I think it was very late and I was very tired when I was doing a bunch of Bloch edits and wasn't up to my usual standard. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:09, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Alex Andreev / Alex Andreyev ==<br />
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Re: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5580997 This submission]. I'm sure you saw the website name. Did you consider going the other way? Just asking. I'm okay either way, can always be changed. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:54, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: I suppose you're right, but I think then it would make sense to move all the info as Andreyev over to the empty record for Andreev, right? I checked that Metronome book in Google Books and it's Andreyev like ISFDB says. I can't find a photo of the French Tad Williams book with the artist's name on it and that interior art credit as Andreev is also in Google Books but a search couldn't find the art, so what it's really signed is unknown. I was hoping that all credits would really be under one name or the other and somebody just entered them wrong here, but there's definitely at least 1 book as Andreev and 1 as Andreyev so far. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:12, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:: I agree, the data needs to be moved if you switch. Submit everything, ping here and I'll approve. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:24, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Done. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:26, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Robot Trouble ==<br />
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Should we add a note mentioning the 21 page difference between the L-O-C entry and our publication record? Looks like all our publication data came from Locus. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:46, 18 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Determining canonical name ==<br />
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You have pending submissions which would make [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?154935 Lucy Finn] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?32990 Savannah Russe] alternate names for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?161282 Charlee Ganny]. Assuming they are the same person, shouldn't Savannah Russe be the canonical name? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:35, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:The bio in that stupid Chihuahua Wolf or whatever says Ganny and mentions those other 2 names as pseudonyms, so I think Ganny should be parent, but I don't really care if anyone wants to change that if the rules here, whatever they are, say so. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:15, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::I just came across the same edits and have the same question. Our standards are that the canonical name should be the name by which the author is best know in the genre. Generally, that would be the name they are most frequently published as. In this case, most of the author's works are published as by Savannah Russe, which is why that name should be canonical. If Charlee Ganny is the author's legal name, that can be reflected in the Legal Name field in the canonical record. It would also have been helpful if you had added the source for this in the notes to the moderator. I looked at both the provided archive.org link (borrow unavailable) and the Amazon look inside feature and neither have access to the about the author page. Are you working from a physical copy? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:44, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::If I was working from a physical copy I would have PV it. I don't know, I just assume that if a complete amateur like me can find all this stuff that all you expert moderators should be able to find it, too, which is probably why sometimes I don't lay out exact details. As I've explained before, for some reason many books that were uploaded on Archive.org only link directly from OL, identifiable by that blue-and-white Preview button, but you can still search inside them even if you can't borrow them (I like searching for the word "the" which appears on most pages) and find something like this, https://archive.org/details/chihuawolftailof0000gann_y0f7/page/138/mode/2up, which explains what's what. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:59, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::If you had added that in the moderator notes in the first place, John and I wouldn't have had to question your source. It's to your own benefit as well. If we aren't spending our time recapitulating research that you've already done, we can spend more time reviewing edits. As to these edits, the canonical name should be Savannah Russe. Please see [[https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:AuthorFields:CanonicalName|this template]] which explains how we decide what name should be canonical. Unfortunately, your edits are making a lesser know name canonical and they'll have to be rejected. Please resubmit these making Russe the canonical name. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:57, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Title Change of One of Multiple Publications with the Same Title ==<br />
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Hi Username<br />
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I'm holding your edit to update the title of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?284335 1996 publication] of "Moonchasers and Other Stories" to "Moonchasers & Other Stories". I'm also holding the same change to the various contained title records. The issue with your edit is that there are two publications under the current title. Assuming the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?284334 2000 publication] has the "and" as opposed to the ampersand, your edits will result in the 2000 publication containing several incorrect title records. I'm guessing that you did not find evidence that the 2000 pub should be titled with an ampersand, or you would have changed it as well. If you can find such evidence, please change that record as well, and I can approve your edits. If not, you'll need to unmerge the title record for the novel and the cover art, then retitle them, and make the old versions variants of the newly created and changed ones. For the other titles, you can remove them from the 1996 publication, add new content with the correct title, and again make variants after that is done. Please let me know what you find about the 2000 publication, and we'll know how to proceed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:30, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Return to Avalon ==<br />
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Regarding your note to moderator, you are correct in both counts. Submit the change in page count and cover art credit, note whether you want the reviewer to create the alt name and variant, and leave a note for [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_Talk:Ofearna Ofearna]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:12, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: Approved the cover art credit. I assume you will link alt name and create the variant title. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:04, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Dark Heir ==<br />
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Submit the edit to add the series [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3150734 here] and I'll approve it. No need to wait for the whole queue to be cleared. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:28, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Duel: Terror Stories by Richard Matheson ==<br />
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While reviewing your updates to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?637552 this publication], I looked at the back cover. I think the team of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?25696 Shelley Eshkar] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?25679 Jan Uretsky] should be credited for the cover art. Even though the earlier pubs don't credit them, it is the same art for all four. I wouldn't have seen it but for your submissions, so you should go ahead and make the changes. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:36, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:Cover artists are credited on the back flap of the HC. The 2 artists, Shelley E. and Jan U., are credited separately and together on ISFDB for numerous covers, but none as by Eshkar/Uretsky. Not sure if the e-book with a date of January 4th came before the TP/HC, so if anyone can figure out which was the first true edition then artist can be entered, imported to other editions, and artist name made a variant of the individual names. Looking into this online also opened up this mess, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?12265, where the cover art is credited to Eshkar/Uretsky but nobody, not even the many PV, actually entered it that way, even though there are many mentions in notes that that's how it appears in the book, plus Larry Stewart interior art was only entered for the original HC but it's mentioned in several notes for other editions, there's an excerpt in the '99 Tor PB, which is the only copy on Archive.org-I just added a link to it in an edit, one of those weird preview-only copies that only show up if you search on Open Library-which has the date of the HC but almost certainly didn't appear in the HC, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:05, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:: For Duel, I would enter the names separately and add an appropriate note to each publication treating the hc as the earliest publication.<br />
:: I don't see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?12265 Factoring Humanity] as a mess.<br />
::* The Tor hc and Orb tp's clearly state the names are shown separately.<br />
::* Both Tor pb's have an appropriate note stating how the credit appears.<br />
::[[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:22, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Second printing of Witchcraft ==<br />
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You submitted [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5597754 this edit] to add a note to the April 2001 Pinnacle printing printing of ''Witchcraft'' that it is the second printing. I don't see a date listed in the scan of the book. Do you have evidence that the second printing was issued in April 2001? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:03, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:The only copy on eBay that shows a copyright page shows the same number line ending in 2 with the same March 1997 original date; the record here was entered a long time ago by ChrisJ, who had a habit of entering dates from Amazon, I guess, but not leaving any notes. Searching Google shows an Amazon page with an April 1 date and another that says "New Edition (7 June 2001)", but clicking on that link just goes to a page with the same April date. So there seems to be some confusion; possibly this was a reprint of the original, thus the 2 in the number line, and then there was a later edition that actually has a new 2001 date on the copyright page. Who knows? So you may as well cancel it and maybe someone will find out for sure sometime. I noticed that the same author has a phantom publication from 1994 in his record, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:16, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::Done. Chris is active and has always been responsive to my questions. As it happens, he added a Locus1 verification which is the source for the April 2001 reprint date. I would recommend cloning the record and creating an undated publication record for the second printing with the scan. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:28, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Haunted JARVEE ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5602538 this submission]. The variant title always carries the date of it's first occurrence, not the date of the canonical title when author attribution is the same for both.. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:26, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bob/Robert Chronister ==<br />
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Hi Username<br />
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I'm holding your edits to make Bob Chronister a child name of Robert Chronister. I'm curious as to why you chose Robert as the canonical name. The canonical name should be the name by which the person is best known in the genre. In this case, Bob has 4 credits whereas Robert has only 3. I know it's a close call. Are you aware of additional credits as Robert that you are intending to add? If not, I think we should probably make Bob the canonical name. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:10, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Text Search for "By Bob Chronister" on Archive.org gets 27 hits, "By Robert Chronister" gets 49 hits. So Robert seems a bit more common and it's the longer and likely legal name, so I thought it should be the parent. I wouldn't doubt that there are other genre books out there with cover art by him that await entering here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:38, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Neither the legal name nor the longest name matter for purposes of determining the canonical name. See [[Template:AuthorFields:CanonicalName|this help template]]. I'm concerned about your analysis. How many of the titles reference the same artwork? How many of those titles are genre as opposed to non-genre? Is the internet archive a good sampling of all the artists genre publications? Are there any records where the artist is credited without the preceding "By". If I had been the one making these edits, I would have made Bob Chronister the canonical name simply because it's slightly more common of the records that we have documented. Which is why I'm questioning this. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:19, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I'm not sure what's best, because I just entered an edit for the 1983 Bantam PB of the 1973 novel Castaways on Long Ago, with art by Bob, but other Bantam books on Archive.org, including the PB of Have a Heart, Cupid Delaney, which only has the HC on ISFDB, say art by Robert. He also did many other Bantam books and went back and forth between first names. So unless someone finds a bibliography or something and counts exactly how many covers were done under each name it's really impossible to say what's the "preferred" name. I'll try to enter that Cupid PB and find another genre book with Robert as the name so it'll be equal, 5-5, and then you won't have to cancel my edits. I'll respond when I'm done if I'm successful. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:58, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Done. I entered Cupid and also Blossom Culp and the Sleep of Death. Bob 5, Robert 5. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:45, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::I've approved the edits. We can revisit this again if the ratio of the names gets too out of wack. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:05, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Edit for Dark Cities Underground ==<br />
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You left a note about in your update to {{P|8781|Dark Cities Underground}} regarding the cover artist credit. A merge would not be appropriate in this instance. The COVERART for the {{P|284003|book club edition}} is the same title. If you have evidence that the book club edition is also credited as "Donato" then we could merge. I realize that it probably is credited thus, but I wouldn't want to change what another editor added unless I had seen evidence. You could have accomplished this merge through the advance search feature. However, what you want to do in this case is to import the title record {{T|743977}} into the trade publication and remove {{T|138845}} from the same publication. You'll also need to update the date of the Donato record. These edits can be done in any order, but I'd add an explanation in the moderator notes, so the approving moderator will know what's going on. Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:09, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ting Ling ==<br />
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At [[User talk:Zapp#Vernon Bowen]], you mention a Dodd, Mead first edition --a mistake for David McKay(?). I have some notes on all four ''Ting Ling'' T{{t|2474271}} publications (eds/printings/publishers as well as author). Among other things, the Open Library book is wrongly identified (WorldCat and ISFDB) as the 1966 Young Readers Press, but it's the 1969-10 2nd printing.<br />
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I'm not sure whether I should be able to find your submissions in the queue. Its a busy weekend so I'll wait. If you did create a "Dodd, Mead" then as self-approver I should be able to complete a manual merge, in effect.<br />
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I see that Archive.org mis-catalogs the David McKay as 1966 Katonah NY: Young Readers. Do you have any experience with correction of such data? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 13:04, 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Oh yeah, David McKay, sorry, both start with D. M. https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5609262 is my first submission followed by 5609270, 5609272, 5609276. I think those are all the ones I did concerning this book. I would assume you probably have to be a member of Open Library or something to fix errors, of which there are countless on that site. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:47, 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Open Library cover discrepancy ==<br />
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For the 7th printing ''Dragon's Milk'' by Susan Fletcher P{{p|198429}}, we have OL front cover image (covers.openlibrary.org) of a copy from publication series "Aladdin Fantasy". Half of my long publ Note concerns this problem. But the book scanned has otherwise identical cover that shows "Aladdin Fiction". Do we/you have a way to use cover images from OL/archive.org ebooks rather than from coveres.openlibrary.org? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 13:11, 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I think you mean right-clicking the Archive.org image, https://archive.org/search?query=fletcher+dragon%27s-milk, "save image as", and then upload the image to our Wiki (either there'll already be one uploaded by someone else, in which case yours will replace the old one and then you go to the book's record and hit CTRL-F5 and the new image will appear, or there'll be no image previously uploaded, in which case after you upload yours you click the image link at the bottom and then enter it in the image field of the book's record in an edit and approve it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:52, 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks. It seems to me that that is what I mean :--)<br />
:: I was not aware that Archive.org generates a gallery of front covers (or first images in sets that make a book), only the Covers.OpenLibrary.org. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:37, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Boris Dolgov ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5607016 this submission]. According to Darkworlds Quarterly, the man on the right is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?21111 Maxfield Parrish] and the photograph was taken by [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?609 Hannes Bok]. Look [https://darkworldsquarterly.gwthomas.org/boris-dolgov-weird-tales-artist/ here]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:06, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Moderator note ==<br />
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Regarding your question [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5608266 here]. This is not how I would have entered it. I would have made the Pages field: xii+[2]+252 and the page number for the title in question [1]. Whether I'm mistaken or standards have changed since January 2012, I can't say. Regardless, discuss it with Ron before submitting any changes. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]]<br />
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== Still Life ==<br />
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Did you consider changing the cover art credit [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33246 here]? The credit on the back cover is hard to read but it appears to be 'Peter Jones'. Not 'Peter Andrew Jones'. What do you think? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:06, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Doll ==<br />
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After looking at the archive.org scan of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?942823 The Doll] you provided, I think we should change the content title length to novelette. I would estimate under 10,000 words, certainly under 17,500. What do you think? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:11, 24 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Yes, I counted 34 text pages and there's wide margins, so you're probably right. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:13, 24 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Leavings ==<br />
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Re: your publication note [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20082 here]. It is not uncommon for author's to date introductions, forewords, acknowledgements, etc. We ignore that date. They are dated as of first publication, no different than how we handle cover art. It's okay to mention the dates in a note, but I recommend removing any indications that this somehow makes the publication date unclear. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:34, 25 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I wrote it because the book says 1998. Essay dates and date entered on ISFDB are all different months in 1997. So the date really is unclear; editor entered it from Locus which is unreliable at best. It's possible that this small-press publisher didn't have a proofreader and just goofed and typed date as 1998 instead of 1997 twice on the copyright page. EDIT: On a related note, the other book by the publisher on ISFDB, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?7110, is a retitled reprint of a 1994 book, has a 1995 title date on ISFDB, a June 1997 date for the edition entered by someone, and a 1996 date for the non-preview copy on Google Books. So dates are guesswork at best. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:48, 25 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Multi Part Edits ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5626703 this submission] which is changing the title field of a publication. The problem is that by doing so, the publication title will no longer match the title in the title record {{T|2125736}}. There is no note to the moderator indicating that you intend to do the rest of the work required for this change, i.e. unmerge the newly created title, make the variant relationship, and adjust the dates of the title records, if necessary. This is similar to the issue created by your recent submission that created data inconsistencies that we discussed in [[ISFDB:Community Portal#E. Borgese|this thread]. Perhaps you missed my latest response where I gave you instructions on how to finish that edit since you stated your were having problems understanding what still needed to be done. My fear is that you are ignoring the response and are refusing to complete that edit. If you are refusing to complete multi step edits, please refrain from entering the first step. If you intend to complete the full edit, please indicate that you will do so in the notes to the moderator. I see that you occasionally add something like "contents need to be imported". I've read that as indicating your intent to do that work after that approval, but it's worded as if you want someone else to do the work for you. For these two edits, please let me know whether you intend to complete them so I know how to proceed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:54, 7 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Same issue with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5626998 this edit] (also holding) --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:00, 7 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::It's been a few days and you have not responded to this inquiry, aside form cancelling the held edits. I see that you've reissued [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5631240 one] of them, but unfortunately, it makes the record worse than your original edit. Aside from not updating the title of the book, you've added an introduction with the incorrect title in the disambiguator. I know that you know that the title should be "Winter Children & Other Chilling Tales" based on your previous edit. I don't understand why you decided that it would be better to maintain this record with an inaccurate title. I know that you know how to do all of the follow up edits that are required here. You know how to update the title publication (your previous edit). After that's done you need to unmerge this publication from the others with the alternate title. I've seen you submit unmerge edits before. Then you just need to make the other title (Winter Children and Other Chilling Tales) a variant of the newly created title. Again, you have submitted many make variant edits in the past. Lastly, you'll need to update the date on the variant title (again, you've made many such edits previously). If you need further details on any part of this process, I or other editors are always happy to help. I'm going to have to reject the new edit as it introduces new erroneous data. I can unreject the two edits that you cancelled. I just want your assurance that you are going to complete the edits that you had started. We're also still waiting for your response to [[ISFDB:Community Portal#E. Borgese|this thread]] which is a similar issue, and where I gave you step by step instructions on how to complete that edit. Is there something in those instructions that you aren't understanding and that I can explain more clearly? Please let us know how you wish to proceed with these edits. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:32, 10 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Well, I'll be honest with you, as I explained in a recent message to you my mind is going rapidly, I also have very little interest in doing this anymore, I see only Vasha77 in edit history for Winter Children so I have nothing connected to that one, I see an edit from me where I added price and corrected name in the Borgese book which I don't even have any recollection of doing, somebody named Zapp who likes to variant stuff made it a variant of the parent name, so I'd suggest you or someone else can work further on her book or dive into Winter Children if you wish, as always it will bother me that others will get credit for work that probably never would have been done if I hadn't found the info in the first place but, as I said, I'm really not capable of handling anything complicated anymore; soon I may not be able to handle anything. Sorry; maybe I shouldn't have started on those 2 books in the first place and should just ignore those kinds of changes if I find any in the future. I do have 625 pending edits, though, most of which I'm sure are approvable, so there's that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:53, 10 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Citadel ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5640087 this submission]. I see you informed the verifier that you were adding a cover scan. However, the author on the cover differs from the author in the publication record. Please work with [[User:Hifrommike65|Hifrommike65]] to determine whether that is the correct cover for this edition, or whether the author is in error, or if there is a discrepancy in the author credit between the cover and the title page. If the latter, that should probably be noted. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:49, 1 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== If I Were an Evil Overlord ==<br />
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I've placed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5560276 this submission] on hold as I don't see any attempt to contact the two PVs, both of who are active on the site. Please let me know once they've been contacted and responded regarding this edit. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:03, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Okay, I did find [[User talk:GlennMcG#Evil Overlord / Human For A Day|your attempt]] to contact one of them. I don't see the other one, though, and I don't see any response. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:04, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Human for a Day ==<br />
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Same with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5560285 this submission]: I can see an attempt to contact one of the PVs, but not the other active one. Please contact the other and follow up with Glenn. Let me know when they've checked their copies. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:09, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Anthony Shriek ==<br />
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I've placed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5562382 this submission] on hold as you didn't provide a reason for the name change. Please provide one. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:11, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Because that's the full title of the original Dell edition, entered by me, as you can see if you look at the book's edit history. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:10, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I can see that you edited it (three times, I believe), but I can't see what was changed because you didn't include any notes and the current ISFDB doesn't show diffs. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:32, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::There's a link in the record to the Archive.org scan of the Dell edition which shows the title page with the full title. Only other edition I see is Centipede but PV Chavey seems barely here these days so getting him/her to check title page is tough; certainly the parent title should be the full one, though. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:35, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Neighboring Lives ==<br />
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I've placed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5572626 this submission] on hold as I show no attempt to contact the PV, who is active on the site. Please let me know once you've done that and they've responded. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:14, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Playboy Book of Science Fiction ==<br />
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I've placed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5574734 this submission] on hold as I can see no attempt to contact the active PV. Please let me know once you've contacted them and gotten a response. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:16, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cosmic Cocktails ==<br />
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I've placed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5575083 this submission] on hold as I can see no attempt to contact the active PV. Please let me know once you've contacted them and gotten a response. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:17, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Swordplay ==<br />
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I've placed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5575100 this submission] on hold as I can see no attempt to contact the active PVs. Please let me know once you've contacted them and gotten a response. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:19, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Warning re: the last exchange with Willem H. on the Community Portal ==<br />
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Re: your last response to [[User:Willem H.]] on the Community Portal, please note that "your meds ran out or something" is a personal attack. They are not allowed as per [[ISFDB:Policy#Blocking_Policy]] and are handled as follows:<br />
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Personal attacks that are not obscene:<br />
*1st offense - a canned warning on the user's Talk page<br />
*2nd offense - a 24 hour block<br />
*3rd offense - a week long block<br />
*4th offense - an indefinite block<br />
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Since this is the first offense, please consider this note a warning. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:55, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:In the time it took you to write that you could have been figuring out a way to organize the existing mods or recruit some new ones so that there wouldn't be a situation where I have just shy of ONE THOUSAND edits pending plus a few hundred edits from various other editors. Threatening me with a block on a site I haven't really wanted to be on for a long time is amusing. I seem to remember you did that once before long ago when one of the other editors hacked my page and someone, I believe this same Willem guy, thought one of my messages to the hacker was personal and whined to you about it but you apparently never felt the need to block the hacker because they're still editing; I'm pretty sure if this was a real workplace and I got hacked they would have been fired immediately or worse. I've had trouble with Willem from my first message to him a few years ago and a few times since and had let him know more than once that he should stop being angry and just answer me without any problems and just when I thought he had calmed down and was answering my questions/fixing wrong info sort of properly he suddenly got bristly again so I said what I had to say. If you think that's personal that's your perception. I live in New York; wherever you live may be some pleasant place where people discuss their problems over lattes when they're not crying about climate change but here in Hell we don't play around. In the future I think it will be better if I just cancel any edits where there's the slightest disagreement because who knows when the next problem child will come along. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:57, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: As per the linked Policy, personal attacks are not allowed and will result in escalating penalties as listed above. None of the issues raised in your response -- the number of pending submissions, the fact that your User page was vandalized in June 2021, your history of disagreements with Willem H, etc -- change that.<br />
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:: Re: the 2021 instance of vandalism, the offender [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rosab618#Text_posted_on_Username.27s_User_page was given a warning and promised not to do it again], a promise that she has kept.<br />
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:: Re: the number of your pending submissions, not all moderators are willing to work on your submissions due to your history with them. Back in 2021 [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Username#Surrounded I wrote]:<br />
::* you are a relatively new contributor, so moderators are more likely to make allowances, but eventually they will become less likely to work on your submissions, which will affect the approval time.<br />
:: which is what ended up happening. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:52, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::Hacking someone's personal page is far more egregious than a sarcastic comment about meds; one is rude, the other can easily get you fired or arrested depending on where and to whom it's done. Because ISFDB is just some online card catalog nothing happened; try doing that at a real business and see what happens to you. Re: the number of pending edits, you can easily search and find numerous complaints on ISFDB pages stretching back many years before I started here about the slowness of edits being approved, but since the recent server move things have gotten much worse. I have a few dozen old edits that have been sitting for a long time because something or other wasn't clear and so they just get approved now and then by random mods, but the vast majority of the nearly ONE THOUSAND pending edits were done within the last month and most of them are perfectly approvable. So the problem isn't my "history" with mods because that comes and goes with some getting mad and going away for a while and then starting to approve again while others have just quit because of their problems with other mods or the site in general. Honestly, in reading old threads on this site, many of the current and former occupants seem to be...unstable, with some of them using the F word and the like because they disagree about the length of some old pulp story and many who quit still holding grudges against people they disagreed with years ago. So I suggest that whoever is running this site come up with a plan to handle the queue because since I started editing a few years ago the number of edits has increased exponentially with my list more often than not being longer than every other editor on ISFDB combined and the mod structure as it stands right now can't handle the volume adequately. As I said above, from now on I'll solve this problem by cancelling any of my edits that mods have a problem with; I do so many every day that losing a few won't make a dent. That's one of the good things about having no desire to be a self-moderator and only doing this to pass the time; I don't have to pretend to be friends with anyone. Or I may just stop doing this entirely; I'm physically and mentally in bad shape, New York is one of the worst places to live in the country right now, and World War III may be coming soon, so I, and possibly you and everyone else editing on ISFDB, may have much bigger problems to worry about than this nonsense. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:01, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: "Hacking" covers a variety of state and federal crimes. It has a complex definition which has changed over time -- see [https://www.justice.gov/criminal/file/442156/download this PDF file created by the Department of Justice] for a discussion. What happened to your User page in June 2021 was vandalism, not hacking. Another user edited your page using her own account; she didn't break into your account.<br />
:::: Re: "I don't have to pretend to be friends with anyone", the current policy doesn't disallow being abrasive. It does disallow personal attacks and imposes escalating penalties for their use as linked above. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:05, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Introduction for The Ultimate Alien ==<br />
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The software is forcing a rejection of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5632434 this submission]. The problem is it's merging a variant with its parent, and the merged result would have the parent be a variant of itself. That arrangement is not valid, and so the submission cannot be accepted. I can't tell if there was a note on the submission that's not being presented. Did you really mean to merge these two, or did you mean to do something else? Given that someone went to the trouble to make a variant, it seems likely the piece is titled differently in the different pubs. Looks like we have active verifiers who could confirm/deny. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 16:43, 7 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Extra ==<br />
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Neither one of the covers in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5650584 this submission] are correct. The present cover looks like the ebook cover. The cover you are trying to link is the pb. Open library has the hc cover. Resubmit and I'll approve it. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:59, 12 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Webs of Discord ==<br />
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Hi Username -<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5650361 this submission]. There are several steps that will be required to complete the addition of this publication after it is approved. I know that you have been uncomfortable in the past in dealing with multi-step edits, and I wanted to ensure that you intended to complete the additional steps before this is approved. First off, you'll need to add the contents for the stories. You could have done this in the initial edit, at least for those stories that are not already in the database. For the others that already have title records, you either could have added them manually and then merged each after the edit is approved. Alternatively, you can import the existing records after the COLLECTION record is created. Secondly, since this collection is published under an alternate name, you'll need to make the title record a variant of a new title record with the canonical name. You'll also need to do this for each of the newly added titles. For those titles where the parent title already exists (e.g. {{T|3038297|The XX Agent}}, you'll need to make the new title a variant of the existing canonical title. For those where a parent does not yet exist, you'll need to create a new title as the parent under the canonical name. Please let me know if you intend to complete this submission with the additional edits. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:12, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Hard Rejects ==<br />
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Hi Username -<br />
Just letting you know that I've had to do hard rejects on a number of submissions. Apparently they are trying to merge a title that was deleted subsequent to your edit. Please check the XML for these ones and check if the titles look OK. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:11, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I guess JLaTondre did them himself and beat me to it, him being a mod and able to approve his own edits instantly. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:14, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I'm encountering more edits of yours today that require hard rejects. Again, you can check the raw XML for these and inspect the titles to see if they look OK. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:50, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Looks like JLaTondre again; one of the perks of being a mod, no waiting. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:01, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Time Bride ==<br />
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I'm holding your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5658630 submission] for ''Time Bride''. I just want to make sure that you intend to import the novelette after this is approved. If it isn't imported, this will show up on a cleanup report as a CHAPBOOK without contents. I'll also note that if you manually add the contents on a new chapbook, and then merge the newly created title with the existing one, after the first edit is approved, it's more clear what your intentions are. Either way, it's a two step edit. Additionally, you can always add your intentions to finish the edit in the note to the moderator. Many others do it that way. Let me know whether you intend to submit the second part of this. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:44, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Yes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:46, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Great. Approved. You can proceed to finish the edit. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:00, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::My edit importing the story has been sitting around for a week and Zapp came along and added the story today as if it were new so I don't know, something needs to be done, merge or something. EDIT: Now I see Zapp added a 1986 audio edition, apparently there was at least one earlier than the one I entered, but he still hasn't seemed to notice the short story is actually already there from 1983. Maybe he will at some point. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:31, 29 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Spawn of Hell ==<br />
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The original image linked to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?696408 Spawn of Hell] was the result of cloning a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?287310 later printing]. The later printing was from an unknown year so the software appended 0000 [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:SPWNFHLLVX0000.jpg here]. The editor should have removed the image link from the submission. When you uploaded the image for the 1984 publication, it appended 1984 with this [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:SPWNFHLLPR1984.jpg result]. Your edit correctly linked the new image. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:06, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bruce Campbell Biography ==<br />
I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5662375 this submission] that you submitted as I'm not sure it is eligible for inclusion here. I started [[ISFDB:Community Portal#Bruce Campbell Biography|a discussion]] on the community portal. Please chime in there if you have thoughts on its eligibility. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:46, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Grey Star the Wizard ==<br />
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Hi Username -<br />
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Could I get you to double check your verified copy of {{P|16028|Grey Star the Wizard}}? Our records have the author's as Ian Page and Joe Dever. However, the notes indicate copyrights suggesting the text is by Page with Dever as co-responsible for the concept. Does the title page list them both as authors? If not, please remove Dever as an author from both the publication and title records. I'm in the process of adding the first edition by Page alone. Depending on your research, I'll either merge or make your title a variant as appropriate. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:29, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Done. Title page says "Written by Ian Page", "Edited by Joe Dever", "Illustrated by Paul Bonner". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:10, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks! I've approved your edit and merged the titles. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:53, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::So the cover declaration doesn't matter? [[User:AndonSage|AndonSage]] ([[User talk:AndonSage|talk]]) 02:05, 28 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Hi Gary - First off, I'm sorry I didn't ask you as well. Your verification shows your last activity 2020-04-30, so I assumed you had left the project. I do see that you have wiki edits from last year, but the last activity date doesn't capture those. As to your question, our standards are to go by what is on the title page rather than the cover. In this case, because Dever is listed as the editor, he should not be listed as an author. It would be fine add to the notes that he edited the book and you could even use the <nowiki>{{A|author name}}</nowiki> template which would link to his bibliography. Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:56, 28 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Just a note that there's a single copy of this on Archive.org, an 11th printing with a $4.50 price which just says Berkley Books. Copyright page says "Berkley edition / October 1994" so they kept reprinting these books for many years, it seems. EDIT: There's also a 2nd printing of War of the Wizards. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:25, 28 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Thanks for the explanation :) I haven't left the project, I check in most days. I just haven't entered any new book information in a very long time due to switching over to Kindle e-books. [[User:AndonSage|AndonSage]] ([[User talk:AndonSage|talk]]) 15:00, 28 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Monsters: Three Tales ==<br />
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Will you be importing the three titles [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?953386 here]? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:43, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Done. One story has a later date so possibly original to the cassette? Also, I added catalog ID to another cassette by them using note written by someone long ago but can't find ID for Dark Dixie. A sampler with ST100 is on eBay so it's likely ST101 or 102 or 103; seems to be a K. K. Rusch collection and a Matthew Costello collection, too, which can be entered at some point. That rotten Sutphen HC annoys me, because an editor entered contents after I made an edit but I doubt most of them are genre, just a publisher collecting whatever junk he wrote because he owned the company. Likely crime stories and stuff like that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:56, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: We'll show it as original until an earlier publication date surfaces. I don't doubt your guess re: sexpunks. If you come across anything definitive, we can remove titles. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:15, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?187809; Several hours after my edit adding ID I looked at this again and I have several questions. Cover artist is very unlikely to be the same guy who wrote a couple of horror stories who in turn is probably not the same guy who wrote a couple of stories 40 years later. Note says stories are numbered in order but WorldCat has a different order. Making run time into the number of pages seems wrong to me but another editor did the same for one of the other cassettes by the publisher on ISFDB. Why are the narrators in the contents as having done interior art? Cover is an unstable "G" image but I can't find a current Amazon image to replace it with. Maybe someone can answer one or all of these questions and they'll fix a few things. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:36, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Shadow on the Moon publication month ==<br />
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In your publication note addition on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5663685 this submission], you indicate "it is the publication month", but you give no reasoning to back this claim. I was able to see the "3" as indicated on the copyright page, but nothing in the book indicates this is referring to the month of publication. Please let me know how you arrived at this conclusion. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:01, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Same thing for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5663686 this submission]. As they are both from the same publisher, is there some page somewhere that explains the number is the month of publication? Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:03, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5663687 This one], too. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:04, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Because in every PV Lenox Hill book, most by Dragoondelight with a couple by Don Erikson, there is a note saying that the number on the copyright page is the month. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:07, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Okay, thank you. Please include details like that in future moderator notes. That will speed up the process. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:15, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Blood Wish month of publication ==<br />
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In [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5664886 this submission], you cite Wikipedia as the source for the month of publication in the expanded note you added. However, the Wikipedia entry doesn't have any citations for that information, so the information is suspect. Do you have any other sources for the month of publication? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:09, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:You mean the Wikipedia page that says Blood Wish (October 2007) on it? I see it clearly. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:12, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yes, but that entry on that page (and, in fact, that entire page in this case) has no citation where they got that information. Wikipedia, by itself, is not a good source. If the fact being cited on the Wikipedia page has a citation there, then we can use that citation to back up the information here. Just because something is on Wikipedia doesn't make it fact. We need a solid source for that information. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:18, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I've done a search on Google for possible sources, and the sources I've found vary widely on the publication date. Some give only the year, a few give January 2007, one gives a 2012 date, but I can't find any that give an October 2007 date. The only thing most places agree on is 2007 being the year it was published. I'll go ahead and reject this submission and change the date to just 2007 for now. Unless we can find a more specific date from a reliable source, we shouldn't be guessing on the month. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:27, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Some editor named Zapp said they got the month from en.wikipedia.org; I specified which Wikipedia page the info is actually on. Go ask Zapp if they're still around or ask RTrace why he approved Zapp's edit; maybe he knows the date. The only hit on Google for "october-2007" "blood-wish" is Wiki and a couple of pages that got their info from Wiki; if you really want another source McBride mentions Blood Wish is "available right now" on a page dated December 10, 2007; http://www.darkscribemagazine.com/feature-interviews/the-science-of-michael-mcbride.html. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:31, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::I've added an additional note with a link to the interview. If you find anything more definitive, we can definitely add it. Thanks for digging. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:39, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::OK, but now numbering is out of order (1,2,4,3,5,6) because there's no month. I would have stuck to Wikipedia because for someone to enter exact dates for these hard-to-find limited editions they probably had the info but whatever. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:56, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::If you mean on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?10043 this page], just click on the "Sort by series number" link directly above the table and it will sort them according to series number (as shown [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?10043+2 here]). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:06, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Eden Mystery publisher ==<br />
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I've placed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5665010 this submission] on hold as you're trying to change the publisher to one not on the title page. The title page states only "Linford", so (if anything) it should be only "Linford". The copyright page states "Linford" again, along with "F. A. Thorpe". Where does the "Ulverscroft" part come from in your submission? I can't see that name anywhere. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:46, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I just cancelled it. In looking at it I think I capitalized first word in note, removed unneeded slash from end of Archive.org link, and fixed publisher. 2 were just cosmetic fixes and the publisher change I think is correct but I'm not willing to argue about it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:00, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Rising Sun ==<br />
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I'm disappointed you didn't discuss [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5672100 this submission] with me. Your sole basis for the cover art credit is my publication note. Obviously I don't feel a simple photograph used by the cover designer should be credited as cover art. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:57, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:There's an easy fix for that; the cover credit can be removed in another edit, although your (?) note has a credit for design by a guy and another for Hayden's photograph, photographs being art per ISFDB rules. If you don't believe it should be in this edition then the other credit in the Dutch edition should be removed, too, except for the fact that a note there, likely written by you since you're the only one in edit history, says "cover art"; it should also be removed from Concrete Island since a note in one of the editions with her cover says "design" and likely Crash is design, too, and should also be removed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:12, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: The note I wrote on the foreign edition was a secondhand source (their wording). Notice, I did not add the cover art credit there. I believe photographs are left to the judgement of the verifier. However, I'll leave your edit intact. Please communicate with me in the future, I'm here almost every day. Thanks [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:26, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I'm confused. The reason I added cover art to the English-language edition was because I saw the same cover on the Dutch edition and wanted to add where that cover originally came from. The artist is credited for cover art in the Dutch edition and you're the sole editor in the history; didn't you enter it? I'm referring to 1999 Dutch, not 1994. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:32, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: An editor of your experience should be able to look at [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4989672 this submission] and see that I added the month of publication and a note where it came from, period. The publication was entered and all subsequent changes were made before we had access to edit history. Look at [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4989669 the submission] to the first edition preparing it to be Primary Verified. You might notice my note to moderator, "I'm not giving cover art credit". I was curious why the Dutch publication had a cover art credit. As long as I was looking at it, 8 minutes later I submitted the change you see above. Hopefully, that clears up your confusion. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:24, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Sort of. It's all a hopeless mess, anyway, because as can be seen here, https://www.deboekenplank.nl/naslag/aut/c/crichton_m.htm, Hayden's credit translates as "cover illustration". I enter credits for photographs because that is artistic work but I make sure to identify them as photos in the notes (I see I did so for the last book in Hayden's record); there are thousands and thousands of cover credits here that should not have been entered over the years because they say design in the books but there are also thousands and thousands of artists credited with design who signed their names and thus were also responsible for the art. I doubt anyone here is ever going to do the monumental task of identifying and removing cover credits where the person just did the design; it probably is impossible to ascertain for many of those books, anyway, especially the older ones. Very minor issue, anyway, considering there's probably hundreds of Crichton editions that still haven't been entered or have incomplete or wrong info here even though he died nearly 15 years ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:32, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Earth Abides ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5679458 this edit] identifying the existing record as the 16th printing. I can't find anything in the scan to indicate that the 16th printing was issued August 1977. The existing record states that the data is from {{P|266003|Locus #205}} which is verified by [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]. You could try reaching out to him to see if there is enough data in Locus to match the existing record with the scan of the 16th printing. If not, I don't think we can assume that they are the same, and you should clone the record to make one for the 16th printing. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:54, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Date for ''The Face of the Lion'' ==<br />
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Hi. What's the source of the date in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5672954 this submission]? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:33, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It's the day entered in the title record and there's no earlier edition. I see certain Amazon sites use the day, too, so I assume that's where previous editor got it from. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:51, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Ah, thanks. Amazon currently says 1976-01-01 (which of course doesn't mean anything). I found pictures of the interior, and the book says just 1976. I think I'm going to change the records to year-only and move the more complete date to the notes. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 16:55, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::OK. This, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_publisher&O_2=contains&TERM_2=cape&USE_3=author_canonical&O_3=contains&TERM_3=john+blackburn&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication], shows that several have months entered from Amazon UK by one or more editors; the only one I trust is Household Traitors because the month was entered from a proof copy by...me. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:14, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Journey to Another Star and Other Stories ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5682784 this submission] of yours. The problem is that by changing the credit of "The Good Old Days" from Jack M. Dann to Jack Dan will result in a title that is a variant of an identical title. I can approve this edit if you agree to merge the two titles after it is approved, which will fix the problem that your edit will create. Ideally, that should have been done before your other changes were submitted. Let me know whether you agree to do the second part of this edit. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:48, 12 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I cancelled the edit and did it over minus the stupid note about the logo because all these Lerner SF books have the same thing, it's not unique to this one. I started another edit merging "The Good Old Days" and making Jack Dann the name but it gave me a message about something that can't be a parent title of itself. I assume when merging that the parent record number chosen should be the blank one, not the one with the number, right? Is that what that message means? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:27, 12 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yes, I believe that's the meaning of that message. The parent ID is for one of the records you're merging. Because you're collapsing them into a single record under the canonical name, there is no need for a parent ID and as you guessed, you should select the blank one. Let me know if you have any further issues with the merge. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:02, 12 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cover for De beste sf-verhalen van de King Kong award 1977, deel 2 ==<br />
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I had to do a hard reject of your edit to make {{T|3176596|De beste sf-verhalen van de King Kong award 1977}} into a variant of the cover for the Da Vinci Code. I cleaned up the proposed parent record which made your edit invalid. However, I was intending to reject your edit anyway. The problem is that the cover you were making into a variant has two artists: Leonardo Da Vinci and Tais Teng. The fact that the cover art was either altered enough to be a posthumous collaboration or whether Teng contributed separate elements that were combined for the new cover, makes it effectively a different work than Da Vinci's painting and we can't really make it a variant. If we were to do so, it would show up because Teng is not an alternate name for Da Vinci (which it shouldn't be, of course). You could certainly add a note or even a link to the other title, but we shouldn't do a variant. Also, just to let you know the edit I did was to remove a coverart record for the original painting. There was a recent discussion where the consensus was that we should not have records for paintings. Hope this explains what went on. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:38, 13 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Terminal Man ==<br />
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The archive scan you attached to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?838258 this printing] appears to be from another edition/printing. This note, "The purple endpapers have three different labeled diagrams of the human brain", isn't reflected in the attach scan. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:10, 13 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Removed when approved. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:13, 13 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Box: Tales from the Darkroom cover image ==<br />
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Whilst clicking through approvals for my latest batch of broken Amazon images, I inadvertently replaced the openlibrary image [you submitted a few days ago from openlibrary.org, only realizing after I'd approved my edit. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5688961 The two images are visibly different] - the Amazon one is lighter, and the openlibrary one has a grey box above the T in "The". <br />
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Google Image Search found [https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=8736040284&searchurl=fe%3Don%26ds%3D5%26sortby%3D1%26tn%3Dbox%2Btales%2Bdarkroom%26an%3Dgunter%2Bgrass&cm_sp=snippet-_-srp1-_-title2#&gid=1&pid=1 this photo of the real book], which looks closer to the Amazon image than the openlibrary one, but I'll revert to the latter if you want.<br />
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The archive.org links you added in the same edit remain as they were. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 10:49, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:You're right, Amazon image is better. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:53, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Krilov Continuum ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5691914 this edit] to change the author of ''The Krilov Continuum'' from "James Lovegrove" to "J. M. H. Lovegrove". The edit is good, but will require two additional steps to complete. You'll need to un-merge this publication from the title record for "James Lovegrove". Since there is already a title record for "J. M. H. Lovegrove", you'll then need to merge the newly created title record to that one. Please confirm that you will submit the additional edits and I can approve the first step. I'll also mention that when other editors do this sort of multi-step edit, they will mention in the moderator notes that they intend to do the required next steps. Doing that will allow moderators to approve without checking that you understand the subsequent edits that are required. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:41, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Steel Spring ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5702323 your edit] to change the author credit for ''The Steel Spring''. This edit would created a discrepancy between the publication and title records. This would be fine if you intend to unmerge the publication from the title and then make the new title a variant in subsequent edits, but I see nothing in your notes stating that you intend to make the additional required edits. However, and more importantly, there is an active verifier for this publication and I do not see indication that you conferred with them before submitting this edit and that they agreed that your edit is correct. Please contact the other editor and if they agree, please let me know whether you intend to submit the additional edits after this one is approved. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:49, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I cancelled it and made another one adding just Archive.org link and LCCN. I left Crazy a note that they should change count to 188 and change author's name to Peter but I don't expect a response because they've responded to nothing on their page, starting in 2021, including a previous message by me. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:02, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Adventures of Chitty Chitty Bang Bang ==<br />
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I approved your edits updating {{P|419847|The Adventures of Chitty Chitty Bang Bang}}. The page count you updated would indicate that this publication is too short to be a novel and this change will cause it show up on a cleanup report. You should convert the publication to a CHAPBOOK. The best way to do this is to first update the {{T|1606813|title record}}, changing it from novel to shortfiction. After that is approved, you would update the publication record, changing the type of the publication record to CHAPBOOK and adding a new content record also of type CHAPBOOK with the same title and author. It has to be done in these two steps because there are some form level edits that prevent changing the novel content record (as I recall). Please ask if you have any problems doing these edits. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:36, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Changed to shortfiction. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:49, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Approved. You can proceed with the next edit. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:06, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I think I did it right; done. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:13, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::You did. It looks good and we caught it before it could show up on the cleanup report. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:18, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Robin Bennett ==<br />
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After realizing that you were crediting all the Robin Bennett titles to Robin Bennett (I), there was no need for the erroneous alternate name. I just broke the alternate and merged Robin Bennett & Robin Bennett (I). That's why you see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5708751 this one] rejected. Intended to reject [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5708752 this one] but approved it by accident. Subsequently corrected. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?159608 Here] is the result. Sorry about any confusion. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:43, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cover art ID ==<br />
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Hey! How did you ever identify [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:Screen_Shot_2022-11-10_at_11.05.35_PM.png this] (the signature on the cover of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6612 Changing Places]) as the signature of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?86329 Randy Hamblin]? Great job! It's a relief. I thought no one had noticed that I'd asked. But really, how did you ID it? —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 22:30, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Honestly, when I looked at this just now I thought this was an old edit of mine from last year or longer ago but I see that I entered it barely a month ago. I assume I took the first letter of the first and last names and searched for Scholastic artists with those initials. That's my best guess. I didn't leave a note to moderator for some reason so it's hard to say. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:59, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Well, thanks. [[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 15:25, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Projections (cover) ==<br />
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Is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3208107 this cover] credited to Meltzer, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?26331 Davis Meltzer]? If so, go ahead and submit the necessary edits. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:58, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Hard Rejects for Malcolm for President ==<br />
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I had to hard delete two of your edits for ''Malcolm for President''. As a result of [[ISFDB:Community Portal#Malcolm for President|this discussion]] we determined that the title was not eligible for inclusion in the database. Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:49, 19 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Maverick Moon ==<br />
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# Temp hold on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5714020 this one] Which [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?207 series] do you want to put it in?<br />
# Re: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1854167 this one]; Is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?11 Star Wars] the right series? <br />
Also. Should these be marked juvenile? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:00, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I removed series from title of Maverick Moon because that's SOP; many books in the early days, some even in latter days, had series included in book titles when Fixer or whatever it used to be called just trawled Amazon and entered stuff verbatim. So when I see series in titles I get rid of them. I believe these books are already part of a series/pub. series on ISFDB as most Star Wars books are and if they aren't I wouldn't be the one to decide which of the many subsets they belong to because most are PV and changing anything angers people sometimes. Juvenile is relative, adults read these, too, so unless it says specifically in the book that it's for a certain age group I don't think they should be juvenile. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:21, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Greybeards at Play ==<br />
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I rejected [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5714773 this one]. The canonical title always carries the earliest publication date. Even in this situation, where the title was originally published under what we call an alternate name. Think about the author's bibliography page and what it would reflect if I accepted your change. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:07, 24 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== I See a Long Journey (cover art) ==<br />
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Since [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/find_dups.cgi?109678 these] are not the same, we need do not merge warnings in the title notes. Otherwise, someone will merge them for sure. Let me know if you submit edits or prefer I take care of it. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:14, 3 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Done, I think. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:22, 3 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: That works. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:26, 3 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge and Other Stories ==<br />
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You need title notes in both or someone will merge them for sure. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:28, 8 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Author picture (fantlab) ==<br />
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What's up with all these fantlab edits? Are the old links going away.? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:01, 8 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The trailing stuff at the end of the URL is not needed, as I believe Annie told me a long time ago, so when I saw one of them randomly the other day I decided to do a search and get rid of all of them. There were only a very small number of them and some of them got updated by me with other stuff, too, so it's all good. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:08, 8 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Just curious. I'm sure you saw I already approved them [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:09, 8 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Portrait of Barbara ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5729867 your edit] to modify the title of a publication. This edit would create a discrepancy between the publication title and the title record. If your intention is to make the additional edits to make this change (unmerge and then make variant), I can approve this. In the future, you can include your intent to make the additional edits in the notes to the moderator, and we can just approve the edit without inquiring. Please let me know how you intend to proceed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:22, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Yeah, sure. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:30, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK, approved. You can proceed with the next edit. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:44, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ragged Maps ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_Talk:Mhhutchins Mhhutchins] has subsequently updated [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?937214 Ragged Maps] so these three [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5733897], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5733898], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5733899] should be cancelled. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:35, 22 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:OK, I deleted them, but doesn't the yellow warning that was implemented recently show up to let people know that someone else made edits before them? Because mine have been sitting around since 8/5 waiting for one of you to approve them and then Mhhutchins comes along more than 2 weeks later and just enters everything I did instead of approving my edits, which they could have done considering they're a mod. No offense, but I have to correct other people's edits constantly, including many of the moderators' edits, so I wonder if everything was entered correctly. Maybe someone should check. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:57, 22 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dungeons & Dragons: The Movie ==<br />
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Cancel and resubmit [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5737842 this one] with author name Neal Barret, Jr. (comma required) so all I have to do is make the name an alternate and variant the title. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:10, 24 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Other Aliens ==<br />
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Re: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5739567 this submission]. Why change only some of the pipe to page numbers? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:24, 25 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Because they're all essays/interviews, standard for me when I fix stuff in collections/anthologies where the fiction is uncertain (see someone's note); I do the non-fiction stuff and leave the rest alone. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:33, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Just to make sure I'm clear. You want to jumble the content titles because there is a note saying some of the title types could be wrong? Why not check the titles, clear the note, and replace all the pipes? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:48, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Never mind. I cancelled it and re-did it with just the archived link; RTrace was the one who entered the contents and the note so maybe now that there's a real copy to look at he'd like to verify all the contents and add the numbers. I'll ask him. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:54, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Reformation of St. Jules ==<br />
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FWIW, specific references into the the locusmag index constantly change. Your usual method of putting it in the note to moderator is best. I know you were were just updating the existing note. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:44, 27 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Circus of Dr. Lao ==<br />
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Take a second look at [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?968542 this one]. Price looks like 1.25. What do you think? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:30, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:You are correct. Price sticker which is front cover only in images added to other editions here is divided between front and back in this copy, 1 and 25. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:05, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== 31 Days ==<br />
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https://editablegifs.com/gifs/gifs/halloween-10/output.gif. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:58, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Best Stories of Thomas Burke ==<br />
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Will you be adding the contents to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?969016 this pub]? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:20, 4 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Probably not because today will be my last day editing here until October 1st (Halloween season). I usually don't like to enter numbers for older books unless I see an actual copy, usually on Archive.org, because sometimes contents pages are inaccurate. If you feel like entering them you can do that; maybe a copy will turn up someday and numbers can be verified. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:26, 4 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Shattered Mask ==<br />
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I agree with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5750006 your submission] that the art credit s/b 'Terese Neilsen'. Do you agree this is a simple misspelling that should be an alternate name for 'Terese Nielsen'? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:15, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I agree. EDIT: You fixed it but I noticed the following art credit for a Dragon issue says "only as" and uses her canonical name, which seems wrong. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:28, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Good catch. The parent title was corrected 2 years ago but the erroneous variant was never merged. Fixed now. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:51, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Pines ==<br />
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I'm holding your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5756035 submission] to add a disambiguator of "(excerpt)" to {{T|2071435|The Pines}}. Your note to the moderator asserts that it's an excerpt from the author's novel of the same name, but does not cite a source for this assertion. Miller/Contento, which ordinarily does identify excerpts, does not do so in this instance but instead lists it as a short story. Could you please let me know what your source is? Also, if we do proceed with this edit, excerpts are generally entered as SHORTFICTION without a length, so the short story length should be blanked as well. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:43, 15 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:https://richarddalbyslibrary.com/products/after-hours-volume-1-number-3-summer-1989; See copyright page (I assume I came across this long ago and it stuck in my head but I never got around to changing it until now; Dunbar's short story writing didn't start until 10 years later). Also, I noticed the art wasn't entered except for the cover but interior artists are mentioned on contents page and I saw a later issue on eBay that also mentions the artists so someone who's interested could probably cobble most or all of the issues from various online sources and add art credits. I checked all 25 issues and none of them have interior art credits and none are PV so it wouldn't need checking with anyone else to add those credits. There's also the issue of having to change starting page numbers by 1 for those stories that begin with an illustration and a lot of the stories don't have lengths because editors likely added contents for most or all of the issues from Locus/Philsp and they call very short stories "vignettes" and those often are not given lengths here. EDIT: I just added, in an edit, "excerpt" to Lisa Cantrell's "The Ridge" which is from her novel with a .jpg link to the contents page of that After Hours issue. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:40, 15 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Approved. I'll leave the interior art to you. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:38, 15 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I feel like I've said this before but print and/or online sources of information are totally unreliable so what Miller/Contento or anyone else says can't be trusted. Also, aren't you one of the magazine guys? Because whenever I add a story link you run through all the issues of the zine it appeared in and fix whatever needs fixing, sometimes doing almost nothing else for a couple of days. I'd think that many/all of the 25 issues missing any credit for the artwork would be something that needed fixing (seems odd that no one ever noticed before me, apparently, since the magazine ended its run in 1995 just before this site was created). Makes no sense to leave it to me because I haven't been doing any new edits since Labor Day except for a very small amount that I felt needed doing (the few edits you rejected recently which I did over again, a couple of unstable cover replacements for books I PV, a few D. F. Lewis story links, and the excerpt edits mentioned above) and when I start again in October I'll have totally forgotten any of this and, hopefully, after Halloween I won't be doing any of this at all. But that's OK, I'll leave a message on Community Portal copy-and-pasting what I wrote above and I'm sure at least a few editors will be glad to get credit for adding a whole bunch of artists to these magazines, many of which were/are major figures in their field, assuming anyone actually bothers to respond. If nobody does it's no big deal because if anyone really cared they would have been added many years ago. Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:20, 15 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Bell of Nendrum ==<br />
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I'm holding your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5761871 submission] to add ''The Bell of Nendrum''. Reading the blurb on the back, it appears to be a historical novel. Do you have evidence that it contains supernatural or other genre elements? With only two novels listed, I wouldn't think that J. S. Andrews is above the threshold which would allow non-genre works. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:51, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The USA edition is on ISFDB and a note from someone says it was originally published in the UK under this title so I entered it. If it doesn't qualify then the other edition should be removed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:54, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK. I see it is listed in Reginald. I'll approve. Please make the US title into a variant of the original. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:05, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bogies conjunction ==<br />
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I realize it's an old submission, but for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5719018 this], where did you get "&"? I got a Google Books preview of the second edition to show me both the TOC and title page, and it is "Bogies Ancient and Modern" in both. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 17:50, 24 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I was very confused about this because I distinctly remembered using an actual copy of the old edition; turns out that edit was rejected, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5719001, months ago for something minor and I forgot about it. So since RTrace is "away" again maybe you can un-reject it and then add the one-sentence info he was complaining about being lost to the re-named publisher. Re: this story it's spelled with an "and" on contents page and top of story's right-hand pages but with an "&" on story's title page in the old edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:39, 24 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Got it, thanks. I think I have it all fixed up now. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:07, 25 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== John Dequer ==<br />
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I accepted your submissions for the two different John [H.] Dequer credits. I made the assumption that each is the same person, and Google suggests "John H. Dequer" was how he was broadly known, so I made [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?369598 that] the canonical and made the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?369597 H-less one] be the alternate name. If you think that's wrong, please edit as you think appropriate, or let me know and I will do it. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:16, 15 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:OK. I'm adding a link about the author to his record now if you want to approve it; seems he was a shady character and a lot about him is not clear. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:20, 15 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I'm not sure if the author change review screen tells me about submissions accepted out of order the way the publications review screen does.... Did you mean to change the information I had dug up (see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5789909 this view]), or did we cross-post? If it was accidental, I can combine the info. If it was deliberate, that's ok. I'm certainly not up on which of these sort of sites is more (or less) authoritative than another. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 20:58, 15 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I just rejected mine and did it over, again adding the Blogspot link. Everything else would be yours so check to make sure everything you did is there. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:11, 15 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Done. Sorry about the extra work. Nice little find. Shady character, indeed! --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 15:18, 16 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ransom's / Gorman's "Anruf um Mitternacht" ==<br />
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Hello, Username! Can you please cancel your submissions regarding this publication / title? I just updated the records (and there's a translator credit if one uses the sources most valuable). Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:51, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I saw 2 of them with that title in my massive backlog of pending edits so I cancelled both. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:55, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Yeah, likely one for the title and one for the publication. Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 14:02, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Continuing discussion from Mavmaramis' talk page ==<br />
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While you may doubt whether Mavmaramis cares about long posts arguing about your perceived grievances, I make no such claim as to their state of mind. I wouldn't like it if editors did that on my talk page, so I'm moving my comments here.<br />
*Re: Contacting only one verifier when several are active.<br />
*:You stated that you you didn't ask Mavmaramis about the Eshbach book, because you could not determine whether they were active. I pointed out that the last activity date is visible with the verification. You then argued that that date isn't how you determine whether is someone is active, but rather, it's whether they respond to you in the wiki. <br />
*:Your definition of who is active is not workable. An editor is active if they've made edits whether they post in the Wiki or not. In this case Mavmaramis is the only other verifier for the book you asked me about. Mavmaramis' last edit was on 10/24, and they posted a response to a question from you on their talk page on 10/25. Yet, you stated "it's always confusing trying to remember who's still active". I see no reason to be confused. If a verifier has a recent date in their "Last User Activity Date", they are active and must be consulted before making substantive changes to the record. If you are making the edit, you must contact all of them. If you are asking a question, it's a good idea to ask all of them, especially if you are asking that the publication be changed. Asking only a single verifier, shifts the work of notifying others to the verifier that you asked.<br />
*Re: Whether editors will engage with you<br />
*:I am aware that multiple moderators have publicly stated they will no longer moderate your edits. I'm merely stating that it wouldn't surprise me if there are editors who will not respond to your posts on the Community Portal and other pages. It's not a matter of popularity. It's likely about avoiding interactions that are unpleasant.<br />
*Re: Using the canonical name for artists.<br />
*:I stated that it's "OK" and "acceptable" to use the canonical name for artists. Why you would think that I meant that it is required to do so escapes me. Especially since in the context of the original post to Mavmaramis, I stated that I was happy to change Fabian's credit and sought their agreement to do so.<br />
*Re: How many edits I moderate.<br />
*:You asserted that the velocity of my moderations has decreased. I questioned why you were tracking how many edits I moderate and you replied that your reason for tracking my moderations is because of how much you have to scroll when looking for a particular edit. <br />
*:There are over 20 moderators who have been active in the last month, yet any delay in moderating your edits is because of my velocity? You claim you have no interest in me, yet you make claims about about my rate of moderation. Both things can't be true. As to the edits of yours that I have skipped (and those are moderated insofar as I have to evaluate them find them unable to be approved), I've explained to you many times that they generally fall into two categories. You either neglect to get the assent of active verifiers, or you neglect to document your sources for the change in the moderator notes. While I post a question on your talk page, for each of these and then wait for you to respond (or more likely argue why you don't think you have to fix the problem), I simply don't have time or inclination do so, aside from the extra burden of having to track dozens (hundreds?) of conversations back to pending edits. If you find your edits languishing in the queue, maybe review them yourself and if they fall into these two categories, cancel the edit and reissue, seek approval from the verifiers, or reissue the edit with proper documentation.<br />
Hopefully, this addresses the points you raised. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:32, 28 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::There are, as of 9:15 this morning, 1,872 pending edits of which nearly 1,000 are mine. We need moderators to approve them in a timely manner. Some of you should figure out a way to do that. Also see this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/topcontrib.cgi, where I am #6 on the all-time list of Editors on ISFDB and, of the 5 ahead of me, 3 are inactive, 1 is deceased, and 1 is a robot. I am the most prolific ACTIVE editor in the 17 year history of public editing, https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Beta, on this site, and I've only been editing for less than 3 years. So my edits get approved one way or another; all I need is 2 mods, one to approve and another to step in if the first one is not available. I've had mods get angry and stop approving my edits before but they usually come back, sometimes leaving again after they disagree with other people on this site, so it makes no difference to me. You all had problems long before I got here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:28, 28 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Christmas Eve ==<br />
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https://images.wondershare.com/filmora/article-images/2021/day-after-xmas-meme1.jpg. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:10, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Night in Funland ==<br />
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I'm holding your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5805002 submission] to merge two title records for the story "Night in Funland". The issue is that this would change the spelling of the author's name in two verified publications. Please contact the verifiers and have them check the spelling. If it differs, then you would need to make a variant and adjust the date accordingly. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:05, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Vasha asked me about this back in 2017, and I thought it had been updated. I confirmed that Peden was correct. I can fix my pub [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 11:13, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:16, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Auric was the other PV, and he didn't respond back in 2018. I think we should accept the merge. [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 11:20, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::::I'm not really willing to release this hold until all of the active verifiers have weighed in, or been given a chance to do so. Whether or not [[User:Auric|Auric]] responded to a post 5 years ago isn't really material to this discussion. Please see [[Help:How to change verified publications|this help page]]. Per the note on Auric's talk page, we've been asked to be patient in waiting for a response. However, since Username failed to ask about Auric's publication prior to submitting this edit, nor after the edit was held, they haven't really had a chance to respond yet. They have responded to inquiries as recently as November 14 which is after this edit was submitted. Had the notification been made prior to the edit as should have been done, Auric likely would have responded by now. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:02, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::He'll likely respond like most PV do here, with total disinterest because they stopped caring about being an editor a long time ago, they can't get a hold of their copy because they're moving soon/just finished moving or they're going in hospital/just out of hospital, or "how dare you imply I made a mistake". I assume it'll be one of those. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:06, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::Auric has responded and we all agree that Peden is correct. Can we release the hold now, [[User:Rtrace|Ron]]? [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 11:42, 22 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::::I wouldn't hold my breath. The pending edits list is about to hit 3,000 (nearly 2,000 of which are mine) for I believe the first time ever since I started 3 years ago. The 9:30 pause this morning for updating also took longer than I can ever remember, nearly 20 minutes. I also notice more fake spam accounts lately that mods have to block which takes time and there was 1 apparently non-fake account the other day by someone whose name was the N-word. So, you know, things aren't going very well and all we can do is wait until they get back on course. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:19, 22 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::::Approved. Thanks for getting approvals from the verifiers. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:07, 22 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== A Muster of Ghosts ==<br />
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Regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5740959 this submission]: You state "Artist's signature on lower right of cover.", but there is no cover image. The Internet Archive scan does not have a cover image either. Do you have a source for the cover that we can link to or upload locally? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:48, 22 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Muster_of_Ghosts_II. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:50, 22 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:08, 22 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bloodwars ==<br />
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You gave no reason or any evidence as to why you are changing the publisher on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5737123 this submission]. I see you posted a message today on the [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Unapersson#Bloodwars PV's talk page], but there hasn't been any response yet. I've placed this on hold until you can provide evidence to support the publisher change. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:15, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Not to Be Taken at Bed-Time and Other Strange Stories ==<br />
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I've placed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5744184 this submission] on hold pending verification by [[User talk:Chavey|the PV]] of what appears on the title page. Covers and title pages don't always agree, and we go with what's on the title page. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:21, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:The title page is shown on FantLab; I added their ID in an edit last year. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:42, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Arthur, the Bear of Britain ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5810001 this edit] that changes the author of {{P|279590|this publication}}. This is another edit where you are removing all references to an existing author and will consequently delete the author record and all included metadata. You really need to check existing authors and publishers when editing them within publication and title records to ensure that you are not removing the sole references. In this particular case, the author you are changing to already exists. Please copy the metadata from the author record you are deleting to the one you are replacing it with. This needs to be done before this edit can be approved. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:45, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:I do not understand what you're attempting to do by cancelling your first edit and submitting a new one without correcting the author which you know to be incorrect. The only issue with the edit you cancelled was that it would delete {{A|Edward Percy Frankland}} which has metadata which would be lost. If the data was moved to the new author first, the delete wouldn't matter. What was your reason for not correcting the author record so that your original edit could be approved? I know you know how to update an author record with legal name, birthplace, dates, and webpage. You submit such edits all the time. Yet here, you refuse to do so. I'm going reject your new edit and un-reject your original one. Please move the metadata from Edward Percy Frankland to {{A|Edward Frankland}}, so that your original edit can be approved. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:52, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::Let me explain something to you. Since Thanksgiving a week ago I've been sick with some kind of bronchial infection that's caused me to sneeze blood and cough up ropes of green phlegm. Yet I've continued to edit here every day at the same high volume I usually do. I feel better than I did a few days ago but am still not well yet. So you can reject, un-reject, or anything else you want to do. You're lucky I'm still doing any edits at all. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:01, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Sorry to hear that you are ill and hope you recover soon. By all means, wait until you feel better to respond. There is no hurry. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:36, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Wired ==<br />
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Take another look at [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5812025 this submission]. Your cite Amazon as the source of your changes, but the publication date and format agree with our record (OL also says Jan 11 & pb). I agree with regularizing the publisher and correcting the Pages field. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:00, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:I checked again and while Amazon India says 1 November Amazon Australia says 11 January; both have dimensions of 10.8 x 2.54 x 17.15 cm which would be just under TP size so I think you're right there. I'll cancel and re-do. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:12, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Updated submission approved. Don't forget to cancel [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5812026 this one]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:18, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
== Sifton ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?787111; <br />
Hi. It'll be a while before I find my copy, so I'll change it provisionally. Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 23:40, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Ninth Fontana Book of Great Ghost Stories ==<br />
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I'm holding your submission to correct the prices on the {{P|44729|1st printing}} of ''The Ninth Fontana Book of Great Ghost Stories''. The edit is essentially fine. However, this will lose the information about the 4th printing which you mention is the source for the existing pricing. I would recommend cloning the existing record to create a new record for the 4th printing. After that is approved, then this edit can be approved and we'll have records for both printings and no data will be lost. Let me know once you've cloned the record and we can proceed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:12, 10 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I made a clone. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:26, 10 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== S&S XVIII ==<br />
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I found my copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34048 S&S XVIII] and you are correct. The page count <b>is</b> 308. I can change it if you want. I've located my copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34041 S&S XIX] and will double your suggested edits when I can get to it. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 21:50, 31 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Science Fictionisms ==<br />
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I would like you to pull your [[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5881453 submission]] as I just uploaded a scanned cover image and noticed your pending submission. I will incorporate your archive.org link with it. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 14:15, 4 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Done. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:25, 4 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Cthulhu is misspelled in the notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:36, 4 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::Fixed. Thanks. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 21:56, 4 February 2024 (EST)</div>
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<div>{{welcome}} [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:14, 18 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== {{T|875023|Tales of Mystery and Revenge}} ==<br />
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How are we to know thet "Day of Vengeance" from 1948 was retitled as "The Bone Bead Necklace" for this collection?--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 19:39, 18 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:Archive.org had issues of The Saturday Evening Post which aren't there anymore. "Day of Vengeance" in the Apr 10, 1948 issue concerns a soldier in South Africa cursed by a witch doctor. Both men end up dying, but the curse is passed down over the years to the soldier's relatives. My not having a copy of Langley's 1950 collection makes it difficult to verify, but I find it hard to believe he wrote 2 stories about witch doctors cursing someone (especially since the Post story has an illustration on the 1st page of the witch doctor wearing a bone necklace). I guess someone with access to that 1948 issue and either the 1950 collection or its 1969 reprint (or Medley Macabre where the story was reprinted) will have to compare and verify. I see no mention on the web of these 2 stories being the same, so I'd be happy to be the first to notice this.[[User:Username|Username]]<br />
:: We definitely need more than just what you recollection is.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 07:04, 19 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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So on picclick.co.uk I discovered 1 copy of the 1950 edition, [https://picclick.co.uk/Tales-of-Mystery-and-Revenge-by-Noel-Langley-142458018002.html], and entered the page #'s on ISFDB, but noticed the acknowledgements mention 3 stories, "the Fall of the Fothergays", "Saint Wilbur", and "But a Good Cigar is a Smoke" are credited to the Saturday Evening Post. "...Fothergays" says on philsp.com it's from a 1947 issue of Woman's Journal and the other 2 stories don't have any info online verifying they're from the Post, so I think this bolsters my belief that he retitled some of his stories for book publication. I also found a weird PDF of the 1969 reprint, [http://www.sepel.uerj.br/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Tales-of-Mistery-and-Revenge-Noel-Langley.pdf], which has different page #'s (which I also entered on ISFDB) but the same acknowledgements. This was one of my very first edits and it still bothers me that I threw away my printout of the story from archive.org shortly before I became an editor, since the archived Post issues were taken down for some reason. There's a site, saturdayeveningpost.com, but they charge a membership fee. I'll have "Day of Vengeance" entered on ISFDB yet! --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:49, 8 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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So I found this, [https://picclick.co.uk/Saturday-Evening-Post-April-10-1948-John-Atherton-174551293028.html]. Picture #2 shows the contents page with "Day of Vengeance" and Picture #11 shows a piece of the story on the right side. So that's proof of the story and some text for someone who has any of the books with "The Bone Bead Necklace" to compare and verify if they're the same. "Day of Vengeance" will be mine! --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:28, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Edits ==<br />
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We appreciate the information you are providing. However, instead of just submitting the info in the moderator notes, please feel free to make the necessary edits. If content needs to be added to a pub, you can edit the pub. If the same story appears under multiple titles, you can variant this to one another. There are links to the help in the welcome message above. Let us know if you have any questions ([[ISFDB:Help desk]] is a good resource for asking). We hope you will continue to contribute. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:32, 22 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for the advice. I variant titled Dat Tay Vao with Dat-Tay-Vao and Mrs Halfbooger's Basement with Mrs. Halfbooger's Basement since those 2 fixes were supposedly title-updated by you according to "My Recent Edits" but weren't actually changed at all. I figured out how to do them myself. However, both reported a Length Mismatch because the correct titles were classed as "short story" but the variants were not classed at all. I guess that's another fix I'll have to do myself for future titles. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Username|contribs]]) .</small><br />
::Sorry, about that. Looks like I hit approve instead of hold. I have been holding edits until I had a chance to make the change. I approved the variants and set the lengths on the variants. I also moved this conversation from my page over to here as, by convention, we keep conversations centralized as it makes it easier to follow. Thanks again for these contributions. I will continue to process the edits on hold. However, if you wish to do them yourselves, you can cancel the existing edit that is just a note and submit the actual change. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 22:17, 22 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Among the Pictures Are These: ==<br />
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As the ending colon seems likely a database typo, I have [[User_talk:SFJuggler#Among_the_Pictures_Are_These:|asked the verifier]] to double check. I will fix or variant based on the answer. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:04, 22 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:It was a database typo and has been corrected. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:03, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Stella Gibbons, a Writer and the Supernatural ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4865069 This merge] would change the title in a verified pub. If you believe All Hallows #32, February 2003 used a comma instead of a subtitle (ISFDB separates subtitles from titles with a colon), you need to post at the verifiers talk page and ask them to double check. Verification means that the person has checked the record against the pub & verified it matches. It's not a perfect system as people are people and we all make errors, but ISFDB etiquette is to check with active verifiers. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:56, 24 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== How Kank Thad Returned to Blur-Esh ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4865426 This edit] will impact verified pubs. As one of the verifiers is active ([[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]]), you will need to check with them. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:10, 25 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== John Taylor ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4866416 this submission]: {{A|John Taylor}} is a UK author and {{A|John Alfred Taylor}} is a US author. They also have different birth dates. These do not seem to be the same person. Is there something I'm missing? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:37, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:I've separated out the stories per The Fiction Mags Index and other sources. There was actually a third author in there also. I've left a single story on {{A|John Taylor}} as I was unable to find anything on that one. Thanks for finding this. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:10, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:: That one story I traced to [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/ISFAC/s313.htm#A4878 John Alfred Taylor].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 19:53, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
::: Sorry, that was actually an essay, I'll revert it.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 19:56, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:::: We better ask the primary verifiers of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?98895 Beyond this Horizon] if the two Taylor entries in this book are by the same John Taylor. Contento has them both as by John Alfred Taylor, BTW.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 20:03, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:::::Good idea. [[User_talk:Stonecreek#John_Taylor|Done]] --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:16, 28 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:::::Stonecreek reports that there is no biographical information in ''Beyond This Horizon'', but the context makes it more likely it was the UK physicist. I have added title notes to document that. Best we can do, I think. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:44, 29 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== The W.W. II Pistol ==<br />
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I merged "The W. W. II Pistol" to "The W.W. II Pistol" as the primary verifier is no longer active to ask and the Amazon Look Inside for the verified version shows it without the space. As for first appearances, you can update the date and add a note to title records that appear in verified pubs without asking the verifier. It is only if you change the title or the author credit that verification becomes an issue. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:32, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== David Byron ==<br />
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Given this is a common name, do you know if all the titles at {{A|David Byron}} are from the same person? I would like to ensure we don't have multiple people here before updating. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:59, 31 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Plagiarism ==<br />
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Hi, If you feel -rather: if you can prove- that a given story is a plagiarism, please enter that information -accompanied by links in the <a href="link">information</a> format- in the note field of that particular story and submit that, instead of starting a story in an author change request.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 16:17, 31 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:Username, when someone asks you a question (like above), please answer the question on the wiki. There are multiple moderators and when you put answers in the moderator notes, different people will be reading them which makes it very confusing. In fact, if you are not submitting a change (i.e. only have moderator notes), then it doesn't belong in a database submission. It would be better posted at the [[ISFDB:Community Portal]]. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:27, 1 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Pseudonyms / alternate names ==<br />
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Hi, and a belated welcome. I processed your submissions related to alternate names for {{A|Robert Steven Connett}}. They were fine, but one gotcha to be aware of when working with alternate names: Simply establishing one exisiting name as an alternate of a canonical name is not enough to get the bibliographies organized appropriately. For each of the pseudonyms/alternates, you also need to go through the bibliography of titles credited using that name and make them variants of new titles credited to the canonical name. So, for example, where you made {{A|R. S. Connett}} an alternate name of {{A|Robert Steven Connett}}, the cover art title {{T|1296305|I'll Be Damned}} needed to be made a variant of a new parent title with all of the particulars identical, but the "R. S. Connett" credit replaced with "Robert Steven Connett". That gets {{T|2816878|this result}}. (If we already have a record for the same title credited to the canonical name, there is an option link to it instead of creating a new one.)<br />
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If the alternate name relationship already exists, you can tell which titles are missing the variant-to-canonical-parent because they are still visible by default on the alternate name's bibliography page. Once a variant is in place, they are hidden (you can see them by choosing the "View all titles published using this alternate name" link).<br />
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You can make the variants without waiting for the alternate name relationship establishment to be approved, so you can do them at the same time. It makes life easiest on the moderators if you first submit the alternate name edit and next submit the new variant(s) -- then it's easy to see what you're doing and is also easy to see that the moderator doesn't need to go add the variants.<br />
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I took care of these, so just something to keep in mind for the future. If you run into this situation again, give it a try, and if you need any help just ask. Thanks! --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:19, 1 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Wake of the Wearwolf (excerpt) spelling ==<br />
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Your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/tv_update.cgi?4871401 submission] has been placed on hold. As the work "Wake of the Wearwolf (excerpt)" is in a book that has [[User:Marc Kupper|a primary verifier]], what needs to happen is that you contact him and ask him to verify the spelling of the title in his copy of the work. I've asked Marc to comment here. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:16, 6 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Removing first appearance notes ==<br />
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While these are not necessary, they confirm that what we have as a first appearance of a story is indeed its first and we are not missing earlier editions and/or appearances. So I would not remove them -- I am going to reject all of your edits that are trying to do that. I would not go and add that as a note but if someone had added it after doing the research for it, I will leave it in place. Thanks for the understanding. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:36, 7 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Tales of Britannica Castle ==<br />
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I don't see why you need to variant this title. It is apparently a series, so the other similar titles may be different stories. Only if you know the contents of the stories do you need to worry about creating variants. Clearly, some of them are already variants; I guess I would accept what is already in the data base. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 20:55, 11 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Horror: The Best of the Year ==<br />
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List the stories you know in the contents and the authors where you don't know the stories in the notes for the pub, with something like "The following authors are known (from what source) to have stories in the anthology, but the titles of their stories are unknown:<br />
". [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 21:00, 11 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Amazon images ==<br />
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When you use Amazon images, like that for "In Flagrant Delight", remove the part between the two underlines, eg. "...images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51UUVNH-hfL._SX322_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg" should be changed to "...images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51UUVNH-hfL.jpg". I've corrected a couple for you. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 19:36, 12 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Importing content into The Phantom Coach and Other Ghost Stories of an Antiquary ==<br />
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I'm holding your edit to import content into ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?784537 The Phantom Coach and Other Ghost Stories of an Antiquary]''. The collection is under a variant name, "Augustus Jessopp, D. D." whereas the stories you are importing are under the parent name "Augustus Jessopp". Unless each of the individual stories has a different byline on their title pages, the form of the author's name should match that of the collection. However, that situation is unusual. Let me know if that's actually the case. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:59, 15 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Some ancient archived magazine from 1883 I found on Google lists the only story by Jessopp on ISFDB, "An Antiquary's Ghost Story", with the D.D. although ISFDB does not. The collection by him uses the D.D. on the cover so I suppose all stories should be under that name, too. Also, richarddalbyslibrary.com gives more info about this book including an introduction by J.A. Salmonson and a preface by the author.--[[User:Username|Username]] 11:07, 15 January 2021 (EST)<br />
::That's all fine. We just need to have the version of each story reflect the author credit as it appears in the publication where you find it. So four stories you added need to have the author credit as "Augustus Jessopp, D. D.". This means that you can't import [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?802837 this story], because the author credit lacks the "D.D.". What you want to do is just edit the publication adding all four stories manually with the correct credit. Then you need to make each of those stories a variant. For the one that we have without the "D.D.", you do that by Option 1 in the make variant tool and providing the title number of the parent version (802837). For the other three stories, you should use option 2 and create a new title with the parent name without the "D.D". This should also be done for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2753001 title record] for the collection itself. You can also add the Salmonson introduction, though if she is credited as "J. A.", it would be another variant situation as her canonical name is "[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?1180 Jessica Amanda Salmonson]". Please let me know if you need any help in creating these edits. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:05, 15 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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Turns out it's a good thing I didn't follow your instructions, not that I understood them anyway. I was going to just put a link in the book's notes to the page on richarddalbyslibrary.com so people could see the contents until I noticed the damn page has a completely different book title in the URL. Apparently that website is just as careless with info as many of the people who edit on ISFDB, who just lazily copy info they find on the web without double-checking other sources to make sure what they're entering is accurate. Searching for another page about the book, I found one on lwcurrey.com that revealed there's only 2 stories in the book and the other stuff is all articles about supernatural phenomena. So I will enter a note about all this in the record for this title.--[[User:Username|Username]] 18:26, 15 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Foreward / Foreword ==<br />
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Hi, I got your meaning in the 2nd round -but it gave me a chance to correct the nine 'Foreword' entries as well.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 21:37, 15 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Sources ==<br />
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When adding details to an author like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?84861 William Castle], please note the sources you are using either by adding the site to the Web Pages (I added Wiki and IMDB as both confirm your data) or in the Moderator notes - it saves time when the verification is being done. Plus if you add them to the Web pages, people can see where the data came from without needing to go through the Edit history. While Wiki is usually a fast guess, sometimes the sources are more obscure (and as such harder to be found later). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:38, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Wikipedia and IMDB are almost as bad as Amazon when it comes to incorrect info, which is saying a lot, so I would never trust anything I read on those sites and copy info from them like so many other editors on here do. I find more reliable sources, usually in archive.org or other obscure places, and I don't link those sites because I have no idea if the site wants to be linked here or not, unlike "Wiki and IMDB" which everyone "borrows" info from.--[[User:Username|Username]] 09:57, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: So what were your sources for this edit then? Data with no sources should be rejected. I will start doing that instead of trying to complete your incomplete updates. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:56, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: Please note that, as is repeatedly emphasized in [[Help:Screen:NewPub]], editors should explain their sources in the Note field. In addition to the Note fields, which exist in all ISFDB record types (author records, publication records, title records, etc), we also use a number of other ways to indicate the sources of our bibliographic information: primary verifications, secondary verifications, External IDs.<br />
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::: Consider [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?185757 this record], whose Note field reads "No publication date stated. The stated copyright date is 1966. Reginald-1 gives the publication year as 1971." It clearly explains what information is stated in the publication and what information was taken from a secondary source, in this case Reginald-1. (Certain old ISFDB records from before ca. 2006 do not state their sources; some of our editors are working on updating them as time permits.)<br />
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::: Please make sure to state your sources going forward. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:02, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Transient verifications and formats ==<br />
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As a verification implies access to the book/magazine you are verifying and there is no note that you are working from a clipped/rebound copy [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?819550 here], can you please fill in the format of the magazine? Especially for a transient verification - you may not have access to it later on. If you are working off complete scans or rebound magazine archive (so the format is harder to be determined), add a note to that effect to the publication so that is clear. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:42, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Naught But a Shadow ==<br />
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Fixed the format on your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?819551 here]. "pb" is for American style paperbacks; all other paperbacks are "tp". A 5x8 inches paperback will always be a tp. The full help page is [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Format here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:51, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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If that's what you think best, that's fine. I was basing it on the fact that every online mention of this book at reputable booksellers like Barnes & Noble refers to it as a paperback and not one calls it a trade paperback or tp except somebody selling a copy on eBay.--[[User:Username|Username]] 09:49, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
: Please read the help page. “Pb” is used for mass market paperbacks. “Tp” is any other paperback. Don’t apply industry terms when we have the terms defined here. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:58, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Subterrene: Tales from the Shadows ==<br />
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When adding books without ISBN, adding the ASIN makes it easier to know what we have (and less likely for a duplicate to be created). I added it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?819552 here] and fixed the capitalization: we normalize titles and "from" is never capitalized unless it is the first word in a title or subtitle. Complete capitalization rules are [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Title here], section "Case".<br />
: A quick question - is not using the exact date a decision (you do not think Amazon has that right?) or just an oversight? Thanks for adding the book. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:56, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
I wouldn't trust info on Amazon if my life depended on it. Their dates are wrong very often, along with much else. A big portion of my work since I started here has been correcting info entered by other editors who lazily copy from Amazon (or locusmag.com or philsp.com or countless other places) without double-checking with other sources. Also, when I enter info often I go back and add more and correct my mistakes later, so not having certain info doesn't mean it won't be added eventually.--[[User:Username|Username]] 09:38, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Dates ==<br />
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I am not sure what you mean with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4892390 this note]. When you are merging, the UI allows you to select which date to keep - defaulting always on the earliest. I had never seen it behaving differently and when I just merged, it picked up 1991 - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?896324 here]. But even if it did not, you can change that during the merging so was there a different problem with this merge? <br />
: If not, what browser and OS are you using? Maybe we have a HTML/JS issue somewhere... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:00, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:: I've merged hundreds of these. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:21, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: According to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/topcontrib.cgi?9 Top ISFDB contributors (Title Merge)], you have merged 60 title records. Are you using multiple user names, by chance? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:19, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: Upon merging titles recently often the KeepID column will have the date of first publication I didn't choose. I can't say why sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. I find it hard to believe it only happens to me, so maybe asking other editors would help. Perhaps the updates to the ISFDB software recently by 1 of the moderators (see: Community Portal) had something to do with it.--[[User:Username|Username]] 09:21, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: The sections of the ISFDB software responsible for merging titles haven't been changed in a number of years. There have been no reports of inconsistent behavior, but it's always possible for a new browser-specific issue to pop up. Could you please specify which browser and operating system you are using? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:19, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Skeleton Crew, March 1991 ==<br />
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Question about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?819554] - Archive has a lot more contents than you added. Is it out of scope? If so, there is a decision to be made. If we declare the magazine non-genre, then it does not get added. If we declare it genre (and it looks to me it is), then we can add the incomplete template so people know we need to get back to it and add it. <br />
PS: Careful with prices -- US$ is just $ (and added page numbers - if you rather not use the pages, add piped numbers for order (|1, |2 and so on) or a merge later on will move things around and the stories will show up in all kinds of weird order. Thanks for adding the magazine. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:14, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
: And on the same magazine - why did it jump from being a UK one to being a US one [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2728851 see the prices])? It seems like the covers have both prices so let's stick with one of them in the Price field (UK I would say -it seems more prominent) and add the other in the notes? It looks a bit sloppy otherwise :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:19, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
There are over a dozen issues of this magazine that have never been entered on ISFDB at all even though it ended its run in 1991. I found out "The Reploids" by Stephen King was never reprinted in any of his collections but searching online I found out it was reprinted in an issue of this magazine, but only 1 issue had ever been entered by someone on ISFDB, so I began the task of entering the issues myself, only including fiction because most of the non-fiction is outdated interviews. I entered the price in pounds and after moderator accepted my edit I saw they had changed the price to dollars for some reason. So if you have a problem with that speak to them and tell them not to change things without asking the editor if it's Ok with them.--[[User:Username|Username]] 08:57, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
: Nope. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4892491 Here] is your submission. You were the one who added it in Dollars. I approved it, fixed the format and came to ask you why. No one can chan a submission - we can only approve and then edit. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:10, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Scott Connors/Scott Conners ==<br />
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Is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4892595 this submission] solely based on the similar names and the story of the other author or is there something that confirms them as the same person? While it is indeed very likely that they are the same, the name is common enough to allow for ambiguity so a bit more proof is needed - we connect names only when we are sure they are the same. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 06:25, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
: Same question for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4893001 Sam Minier]? While the name is less common, I would still prefer a bit more data (listing somewhere? Bio somewhere?). I am more inclined to approve this one without any additional data than the other one but still... Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 06:38, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
Scott Connors is a well-known expert on Clark Ashton Smith and has many non-fiction pieces on the subject, so the Conners record (which is not a story, it's an essay) which is about Smith is by the same guy, with his last name misspelled either in the original publication or by the person who entered the info here. The Minier name is the same person and philsp.com has the Sam Minier info under the Samuel Minier name.--[[User:Username|Username]] 09:06, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Missing source ==<br />
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Please specify the source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4893507 this edit to Fiend]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:29, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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: The cover for Guy N. Smith's 1988 novel Fiend is the same as the cover for Year's Best Horror Stories: XIX and is actually titled "Fiend" in Les Edwards' 1990 collection, just like the cover by Edwards for Smith's 1989 novel Mania was re-used for 2 different horror best-of-the-year collections. When the title of the artwork matches the title of the book it came from, that's your source.--[[User:Username|Username]] 17:51, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:: And that is why we have "Moderator Notes" field on every record - so you post your sources and explanations there. And in the case of the cover art attribution, the source and attribution should also be always added to the publication note. I will reject your update so you can redo it and add the sources in Notes and allow (if you want) to add more notes to the Moderator notes (these will be visible if someone checks the publication history so they become attached to the book if anyone wonders later how the artist was determined) while the Notes field itself is visible without digging and even for non-logged in users. Thanks for finding this one and let me know if you have any questions. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:00, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== A little trick with magazines ==<br />
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You do not need to rename and change the date of the EDITOR record before it is merged with its yearly record (as long as an yearly record already exists for this year) - you can use either "Show All Titles" from the editor's author page (for not very active editors) or Advanced Search -> Titles with the exact titles and with "or" and merge directly from one of those screens (make sure you select the date with 00-00 - the site has preference to exact dates within the same year so it will pick the date with a date or month specified by default). Most moderators will merge for you once they approve a rename (as I just did) but that makes it a single step so it does not get missed. Rename and merge is not a problem of course - but less steps makes it less likely for things to get wrong sometimes. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:18, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Night the Lights Went Out in Arkham ==<br />
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I've rejected [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/pv_update.cgi?4894790 this submission] because we don't link to cover images in the website field. That field is only for sites ''about'' the publication, not for cover image links. For the cover image, you can download it to your computer, and then upload it by following the directions on [[Help:How to upload images to the ISFDB wiki|this page]]. I've done that for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?762067 this publication] (including the price). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:47, 26 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Red Scream ==<br />
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Hello my friends. So I was taking a look at this magazine which only ran for 3 issues in 2005. The second issue was only partially filled, so I checked to see if the remaining fiction was on ISFDB. 1 story was there so I imported it, "Suitcase Sam" (although date needed to be changed to magazine's date), but another story was there under a most likely mistakenly entered title. Wrath James White's story in Red Scream, "Razor Blade Fuck Toy", shows a 2014 date on ISFDB and the title "http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2019310", and was translated as "http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2018926" for a 2016 German anthology and reprinted in a 2017 German collection of White's stories. The 2014 date is because it was included in an English-language collection of White's stories, Cupid in Bondage, that's not on ISFDB. The thing is, that German title roughly translates as "Sex Plaything", which seems more like a translation of the original title in Red Scream. I suppose it's possible he wrote a sequel to the original story, but I doubt it. Not being familiar at all with White's work, I humbly ask someone out there who is to help sort this out. If it turns out they're the same story, I can import it into the magazine's contents and then never have to look at those creepy Red Scream covers again. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:16, 26 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Over All ==<br />
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I approved you submission for changes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1252537 Over All]. I varianted the author's name to the canonical form and yes, I flagged the story as graphic format. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 13:27, 31 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Incomplete ==<br />
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When the contents of a book is incomplete, please use the template <nowiki>{{incomplete}}</nowiki> and not some made up string. This way the magazine/book will show up on the incomplete report and if someone has the time and/or the inclination to, they can complete it. The list of all supported templates is [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Using_Templates_and_HTML_in_Note_Fields here]. I fixed it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?427466 here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:05, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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: I didn't put "Contents incomplete" in the notes because I wanted someone else to complete the record. I put it there to remind myself it wasn't finished yet. 1 of the stories, "Scoop", was in an issue of Fantasy Tales but wasn't on ISFDB, which I found odd, and it turns out it's because Samantha Lee's name was misspelled as Amanda Lee, even though a moderator had verified that issue nearly 10 years ago. Nobody noticed that mistake until I did just now. Also, 1 story was published in 2002 under a different name so I still needed to variant the title. Also, several stories were published in women's mags and thus needed notes entered by me to say where they were first published. Also, a couple of story titles in the collection differed slightly from their original titles, so I needed to mention that in the notes. I don't just enter stuff, I actually try to do it properly. In the future I won't put any "contents incomplete" in notes so no one will be bothered entering it themselves. --[[User:Username|Username]] 00:29, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Understood but things happen. You may need to walk away - and then forget when you are back. Or the approval may take awhile. So just use the template so in case you do not come back to it, someone else can. :) That's why we have the template - way too many "I will be back to finish it" cases that never got finished. Don't be surprised if a moderator adds the template on an incomplete edit though - once a story is added, it is the only thing that differentiates an incomplete contents from complete one.<br />
:: As for the author name - discuss the author name change with the PV - if it is credited with a different name in the magazine, it will be approved. If the typo is in the magazine, we will need to variant instead. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:43, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Scoop ==<br />
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Please discuss [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4901012 this change] with the PV as per ISFDB policy. As we go by the credit in the magazine, unless you have a magazine at hand or a scan that can show the spelling, we need to check where the typo is - in our DB or in the magazine. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:47, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Well, there's the fact that her name is spelled properly as Samantha Lee on the front and back cover, and in the contents: [https://archive.org/details/fantasytales20000unse]. The typo's in our DB. God bless --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:01, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:: All 3 are irrelevant if it is misspelled on the title page of the story itself. :) Do you happen to have a scan of that? Check with Bob - he probably can pull the magazine and check it. It is most likely a misspelling here indeed but stranger things had happened so we try to double check before we "fix" things. If there was no active PV, I would approve and add a note in the publication for the change. With an active PV, we may have access to the magazine. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:06, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
::: I also encountered a few cases where the author's name or the title proper did differ on the cover, the table of contents and/or the beginning page, and a fraction of them did make it to spell it only on the beginning page different (supposedly erroneous). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:15, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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This link, [https://books.google.com/books/about/Fantasy_Tales_5.html?id=VyafBAAAQBAJ], gives you 2 copies of this issue, including 1 with a limited preview. Clicking on "Scoop" by SAMANTHA Lee in the contents takes you to the title page of the story where you can see that the author is SAMANTHA Lee. Her name is spelled properly everywhere in this issue. The AMANDA Lee name on ISFDB was just a case of a previous editor entering the wrong name. When my name change edit is confirmed by a moderator don't forget to import "Scoop" into SAMANTHA Lee's collection Worse Things Than Spiders. All hail --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:51, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
: You know, it took a few minutes to ask the PV and get an [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Biomassbob#Fantasy_Tales_V12n5.2C_Autumn_1990 answer]. Update approved. Feel free to import it anywhere it needs to go. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:15, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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The only reason to ask the PV is if I was unable to see a copy of the work in question. There are multiple copies online including the one I linked on Google Books which proved that the name on the title page was really Samantha. I only bother other people when I can't see the evidence for myself, which didn't apply in this case. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:28, 2 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:You should always check with the PV when possible. There may be some cases where they have an undeclared variant copy where the mistake is present, which may differ from the copy you have (in which case, we'd need to make sure both were documented here). Unless they are no longer active, always check with the PV. Always. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:03, 3 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Decadence ==<br />
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If you have the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?295007 this one], please add the page place numbers (preceded with |) so the stories are properly ordered in our listing. The ones that were already there have the page orders already, just the ones you just added still need them :) And if by any chance there are real pages numbers, we can use that on all stories of course. Meanwhile I cleaned up the list of authors with unknown stories in the note and added incomplete to make sure we keep track of the missing story. Thanks for adding some of the missing stories. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:15, 4 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Language ==<br />
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Please refrain from using expletives and other coarse language when posting and submitting on ISFDB. It may be normal language for you, but it can create an uncomfortable atmosphere when working with other editors here. There are people from many different backgrounds on ISFDB, and we need to make sure we are considerate in how we interact with them. Please keep your language professional. Thank you. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:39, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== ISBNs for books after December 31, 2006 ==<br />
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Please be sure to use ISBN-13s for books published after December 31, 2006. If you only have an ISBN-10, you can use [https://www.isbn.org/ISBN_converter this handy ISBN converter] to find the ISBN-13. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:11, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== El Hijo de las Tinieblas ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4906675 this submission], what was the reason for the significant changes you submitted? There was no note explaining why you were changing the publication dates from 2013 to 1992. That's a huge change, so an explanation is needed. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:15, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:[https://tercerafundacion.net/biblioteca/ver/ficha/1616]; exact date from bookdepository.com; it's a trade paperback, not a paperback as I originally thought. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:18, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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::Are there, perhaps, two different printings? One in 1992 and one in 2013? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:33, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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All copies on AbeBooks are 1992. The book's publisher, Martinez Roca, ends in 1998 on ISFDB, except for 1 stray literary novel in 2007, so it's unlikely they decided to reprint a cheesy horror novel from 1990 in 2013. It's probably just the usual editor's copy and paste error without checking other sources to verify the info. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:45, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:Okay, thanks. Approved. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:37, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Disambiguating author and publisher names ==<br />
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When disambiguating these, please follow these guidelines:<br />
*For the most established one (usually meaning they have the most work, or are the oldest company), leave the name as is.<br />
*For the other people or publishers with the same name, disambiguate them using a Roman numeral in parentheses. For example, we have three publishers with the name "Catalyst Press": [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?6451 Catalyst Press], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?74316 Catalyst Press (I)], and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?74317 Catalyst Press (II)].<br />
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If you do this, the database will automatically add a line at the top of the listing (whether for a person or a publisher) with links to any others with the same base name: "Note: There are other publishers with the same name: Catalyst Press, Catalyst Press (I)". Please let me know if you have any questions. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:42, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Dark Offspring ==<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/darkoffspring00newy] Found this anthology which is completely empty on ISFDB was uploaded to archive.org back in 2010. I entered price, cover artist and introduction, but limited preview cuts the second page of stories off. Anyone with an account on archive.org can now enter into ISFDB the contents of this rare book which aren't listed anywhere online as far as I'm aware. --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:31, 9 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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I entered them myself. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:47, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Squad D ==<br />
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So this story, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?46121], written in the 1970's, was never included in any of Stephen King's collections and didn't get published until Richard Chizmar's anthology Shivers VIII in 2019, which was oddly published in Germany first. The problem is there's only 1 library with 2 copies of the book on Worldcat, so distribution seems to have been a problem. Scribd.com offers it as a standalone story but requires you to sign up to read the whole thing. However, I discovered if you click the cached version on Google it gives you the whole story. Oddly, the regular website's cached version is a mess of garbled text, while this version, [http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:RFGP0YSYP1cJ:https://pt.scribd.com/document/23283543/Squad-D&hl=en&gl=us&strip=1&vwsrc=0], seems to display it properly. So here's an opportunity to read this rare story. I wonder whether I should add that link to the "Squad D" ISFDB record. Any thoughts? --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:34, 11 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Red Scream - 2005 edit ==<br />
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Hi. I had to hard-reject your Red Scream - 2005 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4909155 submission] because that title record is no longer present. It was most likely merged with something else (probably [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2424596 this]) after you submitted it, and the merge was accepted first. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:18, 13 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== "La Belle Dame Sans Merci" / "La Belle Dame Sans Regrets" ==<br />
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Hi. When changing the text of a title, keep in mind that the change affects all publications where the title appears. In the case of your "La Belle Dame Sans Merci" -> "La Belle Dame Sans Regrets", while it is "Regrets" in ''Terminal Frights'', it is "Merci" in ''Deathrealm #28'', so the fix-up needs to be done differently. First, we need to unmerge the title for the publication where it is incorrect, then we need to fix that instance. In researching this, I found they are not the same work, but rather "Regrets" is the sequel to "Merci". See [https://www.amazon.com/INTERMUSINGS-David-Niall-Wilson-ebook/dp/B0084V61ZA this]. So I am going to reject your submission and then separate the two and fix up the one in ''Terminal Frights''. Thanks for catching it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:25, 15 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:This is done. See now [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?83544 La Belle Dame Sans Merci] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2834399 La Belle Dame Sans Regrets]. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 09:12, 15 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Publication (or title) web pages ==<br />
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When updating web pages for a publication or title, please don't remove current links (as you did for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?823713 this one]). Instead, click the "+" button next to ''Web Page 1'' and add a second web page. This helps prevent possible loss of information. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:31, 16 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:I'm the one who entered that Phantasm anthology recently and found that archived page, then I found an Angelfire page still on Google with much the same info, so I replaced it. Always better to use a still extant page rather than an archived one, but if both are acceptable, then both it is. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:51, 16 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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::There's not really a limit on the number of webpages that can be entered, so having two is usually better. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:15, 16 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Temple Servant and Other Stories ==<br />
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I've put on hold your edit to replace the Note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2056411 this pub]: "After Morrough's name on the title page is (Abu Nadaar); this is the pen name used when some of these stories were first published in magazines, primarily The New Statesman and London Mercury.". Replacing the note would remove the information about Moreau's other pseudonym "Abu Nadaar", and we currently don't carry that info anywhere else, so I'd suggest adding your new note to it rather than replacing it. Alternatively, so that it's no lost an appropriate place for this info would also be to add a Note to Morrough's biblio page, which you can do by clicking 'Edit Author Data'. You could also add a Note to the Title data for each relevant story, mentioning that it was originally published by as by "Abu Nadaar" in whichever magazine/newspaper it appeared, if you have that information. What do you think? [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 04:42, 1 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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: The verbatim note from The Temple Servant should be entered on ISFDB under that book's record but my note about "Abu Nadaar" can be entered under Morrough's name as "He published some stories under the pen name Abu Nadaar". Info is sketchy since some stories were published as by Nadaar and then reprinted as by Morrough in many old and hard-to-verify publications so a note will suffice. It's not anything major since there's many sites all over the web with the info about his pseudonym. --[[User:Username|Username]] 08:34, 1 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks, done. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 14:37, 1 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Artist credit + notes/sources -- ''City Jitters'' ==<br />
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Hi. When you add an artist credit, such as you did for {{P|278761|City Jitters}}, you should identify the source. If it's in the book and you are Primary Verifier, then it's ok not to say anything (although it is helpful to state the form of the credit, even in that case). But if you don't have the book, the secondary source used for the credit should be noted. In researching the submission, I found the art on Les Edwards' [http://www.lesedwards.com/galleries/vintage/city-jitters/1097 website], so I accepted it and added the webpage link in the title record. Please take a moment to add your source to the pub notes, though, or one of us can add a note about its appearing on his site, if you'd rather. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:13, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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See here: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?887726]. The City Jitters cover is the parent of all these covers. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:18, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks for the pointer. I made the variant and added a note about the secondary sources to the pub. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:35, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Strange Tales: Volume III ==<br />
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Can you please share your source for the "bound by Biddles in black wibalin cloth stamped in copper" note [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?317426 here]? I also fixed the title - we add a : before subtitles (and as the title page is visible on the publisher site, it is very obviously a subtitle indeed) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:11, 11 March 2021 (EST)<br />
: Same question and note for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?296408 Volume 2]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:12, 11 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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That note was already there; I added the title change with Volume being added to the title for all Strange Tales (except Volume V where they just called it Strange Tales V). I don't know what Biddles or wibalin even are nor is that the kind of info I usually add anyway; some previous editor did all that. --[[User:Username|Username]] 00:08, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
: Oops, sorry about that - not sure why I decided the latest update changed these - I think I mixed up notes somewhere. Thanks for fixing these. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:30, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Jason Lives: Friday the 13th, Part IV ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4931475 this submission: The cover does not really matter - if the title page says IV, that's what we use - and we add a note explaining the discrepancy. It is most likely a typo in the DB BUT as there is an active Primary verifier, please discuss with them before you change a title. Thanks! I will keep the submission on hold until you clarify the matter with the PV. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:16, 11 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Friday the 13th Part VI: Jason Lives is a film that came out in 1986 and this was the novelization; here is a webpage, [https://www.ebay.com/p/1359743], with a VI on it. --[[User:Username|Username]] 00:12, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: There is an active PV. They may be holding a book with a mistake on the title page in which case we will want to keep a record of both. The whole point of the primary verification is that someone has a book in hand. Please discuss the change with him. We work as a team here - which means that if there is an active PV who can check the book they verified, we ensure that we do not lose data or a weird variant... Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:19, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Castle of Lost Souls ==<br />
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Do you plan on adding the first edition for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4931465 this]? If not, there needs to be added a note to the title record explaining the earlier date (or it will be re-dated again once it pops up on a report for dates mismatch). If yes, I will approve it so you can add the first edition. This is the kind of information that needs to be in the moderator notes so we know how to proceed :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:19, 11 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Previous editor entered American publisher but used cover of original British edition, said format was tp when it was actually pb, entered wrong price, etc. I added all proper info for American edition; anyone who wants to enter original British edition can do so if they can find correct info; the cover that I replaced I'm assuming is the British one. --[[User:Username|Username]] 00:21, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Which is ok. But I asked if you plan to add the British edition now that you sorted out the American one? If not, we need a note about the provenance of the date on the title record. I assume this is a no so I will approve and finish your edit by adding the needed note. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:24, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Done. The note is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?27670 here]. This will ensure that the title does not re-dated to match its only edition (we have a report on that and it will get redated without a note sooner or later - thus the questions above). :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:27, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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Here's something I just noticed while sorting this out; the price previous editor entered, $2.95, was technically correct because the cover for the American edition available on Amazon says so. However, [https://gamebooks.org/Item/42/Show] clearly shows a cover with $2.50 as the price but the same ISBN so I assume that's the original edition. What printing the $2.95 version was is anyone's guess since they reprinted these gamebooks endlessly. Another slight difference is the $2.50 cover says "A Berkley/Pacer book" while the $2.95 one only says "Berkley/Pacer". So my record for the American edition will be correct if common $2.95 cover I carelessly added is replaced with rare $2.50 cover to match price on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:01, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
: Sounds like a later printing then. In such case, clone the 2.50 book to add a new 2.95 one, add "Unknown later printing" in the notes and date of 0000-00-00 and a note on how exactly the publisher is credited (the Publisher field will have the same value). Then we have both covers and both prices and if someone every finds the 2.95 book, we can get more details about it. I do not like stubs when we have a choice but a stub record is better than none and we know the 2.95 exists - so let's start building it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:15, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== A Case of Need ==<br />
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The only source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4934934 this book] is [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Case_of_Need Wikipedia]. There is no price in the source. Where is the price coming from? We need to add the source of it to the notes. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:22, 11 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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: [https://www.biblio.com/book-collecting/by-year/mystery-books/1960-1969]; [http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/447768635/]<br />
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:: Approved and updated the notes to indicate the source. Please add source notes for any piece of information you add that is not from a book you are verifying. That minimizes the chance of mistakes and ensures that our data is properly sourced. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:23, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Long After Dark ==<br />
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Changing the date alone like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935202 this] is not that helpful. Someone is just going to come along later and change it back thinking it's an error since it doesn't match the pubs and there is no other data provided. At a minimum, please provide a title note stating something like "Originally published in 2010 as a limited edition hardcover". But better, enter the missing edition so we actually have a record for it. See {{P|827946|here}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:42, 14 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:I come across records all the time which have 1 or more editions entered but the date at the top is earlier than any of them, but there's no note mentioning anything about it. I've created several records for original editions because the whole book is on archive.org or elsewhere, but those Delirium hardcover limited editions are rare as heck so I don't feel comfortable entering an entire record based on a few pictures and possibly inaccurate info from sellers on eBay. Entering an earlier date just lets people know there was one; if anyone owns a copy they can enter specific info on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:50, 14 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
::The existence of problematic records does not mean we should create more. Title dates should match the first publication in the database or have information provided. We have a cleanup report to catch and fix them, but there is a lot of stuff to do on the database. It is easy enough to add a title explaining why there is an earlier date. And given your tendency to complain about "lazy editors", I am surprised you would object to doing so. As for eBay, when it has a picture of the title and copyright pages, that is more than sufficient to create the stub pub record. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:31, 14 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The King of America ==<br />
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What is the source for the price [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937228 here]? Unless you really enjoy needing to answer on your Talk page, you can start adding notes inside of the notes field: "Price from cover/newspaper records/wherever applies" showing where you found the price". If it is the cover here, it is so blurry that it is not visible so... <br />
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If you do not start adding notes, all requests like this one will end up in the same way - with someone asking you for source, you responding, then someone approving and then editing to add a note... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:01, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[http://www.philsp.com/homeville/KRJ/SF_Porn_Author.pdf] is where. I enter a mountain of info on ISFDB at a rapid pace and don't enter anything unless I'm sure; I also go back over my previous approved edits and find new info I didn't enter/fix occasional mistakes. The price isn't blurry if you go to that PDF and magnify to 500%, then it's clear. Among my many different areas of interest since I became an editor is fixing/adding info for all these "adult" novels. Whichever editors entered info over the many years before I started left out many easily found covers, different editions, Catalog ID #'s, prices, etc. and made many mistakes which I'm fixing. It's a tangled mess but I'm doing my usual good job. What I find interesting is many entries have no notes for anything that was entered or where they found the info. So asking me to verify how I discovered the price for a 50-year-old porn novel is amusing. If you want to enter the fact that the price was verified by magnifying a photo on a porn PDF, feel free. Reading through these message boards and seeing the childish arguing and name-calling between moderators and other editors is not my thing. I'm all about the books. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:23, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: I have no issues with you being right. But all of this information that is wrong was added by someone who thought they were right - possibly from a faulty source, possibly by making a mistake while copying. It is a community effort - in a DB of your own, your word is enough; here we try to verify. Thus the "please list your sources in the notes". That way someone can verify later on - and 5 years from now we do not have someone else in the same boat you are in now - looking at data which we may have as well invented because there is no information where it comes from. Had this rule (list your sources unless you are PVing -- when the source is the book) been followed consistently through the years, we would not have that much to fix now. As you had seen, the older the record, the more likely it is that there are no sources at all... Allowing more of the information to go in the DB without sources multiplies the problems. So we are trying to ensure that we have sources now - for everything.<br />
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:: Catalog ID is a new field - it did not exist until ~5 years ago. There are a few more of these fields on the page - so unless the editor bothered to add the info into the notes, there was no space for the information. The covers are now easy to find, 15 years ago it was not that easy :) Some of these records are really really old. <br />
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:: I will be very honest here - if you do not add notes and just keep submitting edits with no sources, it increases the time for a moderator to process your edit (because they need to come ask you or do all the digging you did on their own, eventually finding the same and then approve and update after you) so your submissions will get backed up more and more. The cleaner and more complete your edits are, the easier to process, the faster they will get cleared. If all you care is the data and the books, I expect that you would like to ensure that the data is actually sourced properly so someone does not undo your work based on what they consider a definitive source (which disagrees with what you added)? :) <br />
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:: I will approve and fix the note for this one now. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:40, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?601551 done]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:44, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== In Flagrant Delight ==<br />
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The price of the US edition was on the cover so I just updated the notes with that post approval but where is the one for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937063 the UK one] coming from? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:18, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Same question for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937180 Satyr Trek] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937182 The Erotic Spectacles] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937183 The Power and the Pain]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:39, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://www.amazon.com/Flagrant-Delight-Brian-McNaughton/dp/0700414800]; Satyr Trek's price is in upper right of front cover; [https://www.amazon.com/Erotic-Spectacles-Genghis-Cohen/dp/0700414703]; [https://www.amazon.com/power-pain-Charles-Platt/dp/0700414207]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:32, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and notes updated on all of these. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:39, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Frankenstein '69 ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937067 this one].<br />
* The ISBN is incomplete. The correct one is 0700412603. Easy to fix BUT there was a bigger problem<br />
* [https://www.amazon.com/Frankenstein-69-Ed-Martin/dp/0700412603 Amazon.com] claims 1969 but [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Frankenstein-69-Ed-Martin/dp/0700412603 Amazon UK] says 1972. Amazon can be a real pain for older books like this one and their dates are anything but reliable especially on import editions. [http://explore.bl.uk/primo_library/libweb/action/display.do?tabs=moreTab&ct=display&fn=search&doc=BLL01002399343&indx=1&recIds=BLL01002399343&recIdxs=0&elementId=0&renderMode=poppedOut&displayMode=full&frbrVersion=&vid=BLVU1&dscnt=0&vl(freeText0)=0700412603&dstmp=1615839843736 The British library] agrees with Amazon UK. So does [https://www.worldcat.org/title/frankenstein-69/oclc/877216035 OCLC]. So I approved your submission but fixed the sources and the date. Please be careful with the Amazons - the US one is bad for UK dates and vice versa regardless of age (and the older the book, the less reliable they get).<br />
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The result is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?828073 here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:29, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: <nods head vigorously> At one point I spent a significant amount of time working with Amazon's pre-1995 records. Some of them were extremely precise, e.g. some 1960s records had the correct date of publication stated. Others were off by multiple years. I suspect that at some point Amazon imported multiple third party databases (of variable quality) into their main system. We have to be extra careful with their old data because there is no way of telling where this or that record originally came from. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:37, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: And it is even worse for data from across the pond (in either direction). The somewhat good news is that most of the books from the 60s and 70s have BL records in UK if they belong there and OCLC ones for both US and UK books so that can help figure things out... Goodreads can be also good but a lot of their data is imported from Amazon and not cleaned up later so some of it has the same issues as Amazon. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:49, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Night Fear ==<br />
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The only sources for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937275 this] are the various verifications and external IDs. None of these have the page numbers. We need a source for them. I know you have a link somewhere - can you please share? And we need to note if it is based on table of contents or based on checking each title page one by one (a lot of books have discrepancies). I will approve and update but I need to know where these numbers are coming from... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:16, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: [https://www.deadsouls.co.nz/shop/roy-torgeson-ed-frank-belknap-long-night-fear/]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:17, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Approved and note updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:21, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== If God Wanted Us to Travel ... ==<br />
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Source for the month in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936820 this update]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:49, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Same question about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936641 King, of the Khyber Rifles]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:02, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/ifgodwantedustot00bren]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:02, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
[http://www.locusmag.com/index/b347.htm]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:07, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and notes updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]]<br />
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== The Earthquake Machine ==<br />
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Thanks for finding the artist [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?454505 here] but next time can you please also update the note because they way you left the book was with an artist added, no source for the artist and a note inside that there is not credit in the book and that the signature is unreadable... which is a contradiction and throws into question both the notes and the artist credit. Fixed the note after approval. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:54, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Assault on a Queen ==<br />
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Can you be a bit more precise about the source [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936723 here]? This is like saying "google it". :) Exact link will be helpful. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:57, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://www.dustjackets.com/pages/books/8325/jack-finney/assault-on-a-queen]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:04, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and a note added. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:15, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Alabaster Hand ==<br />
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Source for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935814 page numbers]? And if it is a scan of the contents page, we should be able to resolve the notes issue as well (on what is included from the introductions and so on)... Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:19, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And for the intro and the limitation number in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935790 Mist and Other Ghost Stories] and the complete contents in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935785 the import]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:22, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://richarddalbyslibrary.com/products/a-n-l-munby-the-alabaster-hand-and-other-ghost-stories-sundial-supernatural-press-2013-25-300?variant=8795937276003]<br />
[https://richarddalbyslibrary.com/products/richmal-crompton-mist-and-other-ghost-stories-sundial-supernatural-2015-limited-edition-265?variant=8885791916131]<br />
--[[User:Username|Username]] 01:41, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and notes updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:08, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Her Magic Spell ==<br />
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I suspect that source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935862 this] is the cover as for the rest of these but as we do not have a cover, I need a visible source somewhere... :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:27, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[http://www.philsp.com/homeville/KRJ/SF_Porn_Author.pdf]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:43, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and note updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:10, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Bride of Satan ==<br />
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Source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935875 this price]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:42, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[http://www.philsp.com/homeville/KRJ/SF_Porn_Author.pdf]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 01:44, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and note updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:11, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Astrosex ==<br />
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Month source [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936301 here]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:51, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936303 here]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:52, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936304 here]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:53, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936305 here]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:53, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And a few more: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936306 here] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936307 here]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:55, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[http://www.philsp.com/homeville/KRJ/SF_Porn_Author.pdf]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 02:18, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: These are approved and notes added. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:35, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Keeper of the Children ==<br />
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Price source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936244 this edit]? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:03, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936250 this one]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:03, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://picclick.com/Keeper-of-the-Children-by-William-H-Hallahan-233031460644.html]; [https://picclick.com/William-Hallahan-The-Search-For-Joseph-Tully-402035732963.html]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 02:16, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and notes added. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:38, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Halloween Horrors ==<br />
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Link to the contents page you unearthed for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936899 this]? :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:22, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://fantlab.ru/edition185627]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 02:26, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: External ID and note added. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:41, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Masques ==<br />
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Source for the price of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?828162 this one]? Fantlab does not have it (neither it have the back flap so I suspect you have the jacket somewhere and the price is from there?) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:28, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://picclick.com/Bill-Pronzini-MASQUES-A-NOVEL-OF-401742298339.html]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 02:31, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Note added and external ID put in place. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:43, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Surrounded ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936013 Source]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:50, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And more of these: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936007 price?], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936019 price?], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936031 price?] [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:53, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558832 this one]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:09, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: [https://archive.org/details/cinemaoffantasti00stei]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 08:51, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Please remember to specify your sources when creating submissions. Not only does the lack of sources create more work for the reviewing moderator, but, more likely than not, it also creates more work for you because you'll need to dig them up again in order to respond to moderator queries.<br />
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:::: In addition, you are a relatively new contributor, so moderators are more likely to make allowances, but eventually they will become less likely to work on your submissions, which will affect the approval time. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:44, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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(unident) OK - that link cleared [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4936031 Cinema of the Fantastic]. What about the other 4? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:52, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/faceoffearnove00coff]; [https://archive.org/details/surrounded00coff]; [https://archive.org/details/bloodrisk00coff_0]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:02, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: And that leaves [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558832 The Sweat of Fear] ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935960 originally] which got approved by mistake last night but I did not reverse as I am sure you have a source)? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:16, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/sweatoffear00denn]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:22, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: ALl updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:31, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Paul Durst 1986/1990 ==<br />
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Mysteryfile.com may say 1990, it also has a [http://mysteryfile.com/blog/?p=33611#comment-7081383 letter by his daughter] that states "My father actually was buried on the day the Challenger blew up in 1986 in January, I had come from the States to his funeral.".--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 20:15, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Odd; makes me wonder where they got 1990 from and why they didn't read that letter themselves. --[[User:Username|Username]] 21:26, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Rainbird Pattern ==<br />
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And the source for the price and the cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940398 this one]? Also - looking at the cover, are you sure this artist has an artist credit and not just a designed credit (if the latter, he goes only in the notes). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:06, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: The cover I provided has an openlibrary.org URL which is a project of Internet Archive, so a cover with their name in the URL usually links to a book on archive.org except when there's no copy available. That's where the price came from on the front flap and it also says "JACKET BY" Wendell Minor. It doesn't say design otherwise I wouldn't have entered it. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:45, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: If you are using OpenLibrary for anything BUT the cover image, it needs to be noted in the Notes and in the external IDs. Plus tracking down the Open Library ID from the cover ID is as easy as finding the Amazon record from the Amazon cover IDs. If you cannot be bothered to post the link or the ID at least in the moderator notes and preferably in the proper places, you are asking the handling moderator to do all the research again - and your submissions will stay on the board for days and possibly weeks until someone has time to do all the work and verifications needed. If you start adding notes or at least all the links, it will go a lot smoother.<br />
:: In this case, the OL ID is OL4789610W which has absolutely nothing to do with the image ID: 10015820-L. You should not expect people to jump through 100 sites to find the correct books and images and sites you are using. <br />
:: Can you share where you saw the front flap? (Archive.org - got it. Will update) "Jacket By" means design usually on non-pictorial covers so I will change the notes. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:59, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: OK... [https://archive.org/details/rainbirdpattern00cann/page/n1/mode/2up here is the book] on archive.org. Where exactly do you see "Jacket by Wendell Minor"? It is not on the copyright page, the title page on the front flap or the covers. And the back flap is not visible. Where did you see it? I may have missed it although I looked 3 times so can you point me to it? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:10, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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As I explained in 1 of my previous successes, I found that if you use the search icon (magnifying glass) you can access anything in any book even if you don't have an account at archive.org. That's how I find so many things no one else can. If you type "jacket", it gives 9 entries, the last of which takes you to the BACK FLAP where it says "JACKET BY WENDELL MINOR". --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:18, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And you could have explained that in the notes. Again - unless you link to your sources (and/or explain where they are so they are easily found), you are asking someone to redo your work. Which someone will eventually - but it takes a lot longer than it should. The book itself does not contain the back flap UNTIL you search with a specific term. Figuring out the term and using it takes time and effort. It may be easy for you because you do it on every book but people are not in your head. In this case just posting the URL for the search [https://archive.org/details/rainbirdpattern00cann/page/248/mode/2up?q=flap this one] with a (cover credit from backflap) note would have been enough. Takes about 2 seconds and saves the handling moderator of trying to connect the dots (and needing to ask you on every update). The more details you post in the notes/moderator notes, the easier it will be to work your submissions and the more likely is that they are not left on the board for long periods of time. Note updated! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:38, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Tarzan of the Movies: A Pictorial History of More Than Fifty Years of Edgar Rice Burroughs' Legendary Hero ==<br />
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Price source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940610 this one]? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:46, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/tarzanofmovies00esso]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:05, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: No flaps visible. Nor is the price inside of the book (copyright page or contents or any other visible pages). The search for flap, price, $ or exact price does not find it either. So where is the price coming from? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:17, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://www.ebay.com/itm/Tarzan-of-the-Movies-Hardcover-Book-1968-Gabe-Essoe-/293833386148]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:25, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Approved and note edited, source added in the moderator notes. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:29, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Harlot Killer ==<br />
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The cover [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940655 of our book] clearly shows 25 cents. The cover [https://picclick.com/The-Harlot-Killer-Jack-the-Ripper-essays-book-193627208436.html#&gid=1&pid=1 in your source] shows clearly 35 cents. Which will make your source a later unindentified printing (not all publishers are nice enough to enumerate printings on their copyright pages). I approved the change for the page numbers but pulled back the price change (and added a note for the provenance of the numbers) and cloned for the 0.35 copy. If you can find a cover for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?828729 0.35 book], that will be useful. Thanks! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:59, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Typos in text fields ==<br />
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When you are correcting a typo in a text field such as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940753 here], put in the moderator notes either the replacement (Frederic -> Fredric) or just the word you are fixing (typo: Frederic). That helps seeing the change quickly when reviewing your change and it also remains in the record moderator notes if someone wants to find out what you changed at some later point. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:27, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Exit to Eden ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940756 Price source?]: "price found many places online" is the same as saying "google it". Please point one place where you found it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:31, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://www.upi.com/Archives/1985/05/24/Books/3347485755200/]; [https://www.abebooks.com/first-edition/Exit-Eden-Rampling-Anne-Rice-Arbor/7744968713/bd]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 06:46, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Note updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:15, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Orphan ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940591 Price source?] If it is the cover by any chance, please provide a link to a better cover - there is something in the top right corner but this image is unreadable. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:35, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://www.etsy.com/au/listing/774984696/the-orphan-by-samantha-mellors-published?show_sold_out_detail=1&ref=nla_listing_details]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:19, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Note updated. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:15, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Delectus Books ==<br />
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Source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940875 this]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:06, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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My previous edit on pending list for Delectus edition of Wolf in the Garden has a link to It Goes on the Shelf as explained in the note, which is where the address is. --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:25, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Different moderators can handle different edits. Each edit should have a source. I am not going to chase another note somewhere so please provide a source. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:49, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://fanac.org/fanzines/IGOTS/igotsnew15.htm]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:52, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Note updated and year added to the note. Publishers move in 25 years so dating our addresses helps :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:18, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Of Pigs and Spiders ==<br />
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Not sure who you are talking to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4940268 here] (you know that there is more than one moderator and only the one handling the submission usually sees the note, right?) but it would have taken a lot less time to actually link the sources you are using instead of complaining about a previous note. Please share your sources for all the changes you are making in this submission. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:11, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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It says locusmag.com in my note; that's where the info came from. I was responding to the usual rude, angry note from Dirk, who has been rude and angry since my start here last December. One of my very first edits was greeted with a rude reply from him, so it's nothing new. His rudeness spurred me to look for more info, which led me to locusmag.com and a bunch of new stuff which I entered here, so I thanked him for that. Sarcasm TRUMPs rudeness. I saw in another discussion he had with someone else that he was complaining about how much work he has to do and how ISFDB needs more moderators and how he was thinking of giving up and just reading a book instead, so maybe he's burnt out. I notice from their bios that many moderators here are seniors so perhaps younger, more enthusiastic moderators who are familiar with books written in the last 30 years are needed. If you really needed to know who I was talking to you could've looked at my rejected edits and seen his name there. --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:42, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Link to the exact place on the site you are using as source? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:53, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[http://www.locusmag.com/index/yr1999/t2.htm#A60]. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:03, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: The March date comes from Amazon.com (among other sources) - which may or may not be valid (1999 is old enough so I do not trust them too much on dates). Are we absolutely sure that this August release is not just the signed edition? Let me do some more digging before I approve to see if it seems like a single run of 333 was ever issued. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:28, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Teacher's Pet ==<br />
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The price is on the front flap. Where is the artist credited on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4941642 this one]? The back flap is not visible so if it is there, I need your search criteria that makes it visible. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:49, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/teacherspet00tayl]; search "jacket". --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:46, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Note added. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:11, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Old Australian currency (pre 14 February 1966) ==<br />
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Hi, I altered the price to 4/9 and mentioned in the notes that the price is in Australian shillings and pences.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 17:47, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Starlog covers ==<br />
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Per ISFDB standards, we don't enter covers are cover credits for non-genre magazines unless the cover illustrates a speculative fiction story. I have started [[ISFDB:Community_Portal#Starlog|a discussion]] on the community portal regarding the status of {{S|33627|Starlog}}. As it had a film focus and not a written speculative fiction focus, it would not seem to be considered genre by ISFDB standards. You are welcome to chime in there is you have an opinion. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:40, 23 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Hands of Cain ==<br />
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Hi, regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/pv_new.cgi?4947992 The Hands of Cain]: Why 1976? especially when you want to assign a price of £0.25....Inflation was rampant in the UK during those days, so £0.25 for 1976 is definitely off. Would you like me to change the date to 0000-00-00, meaning 'unknown'?--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 16:07, 31 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Worldcat link gives year as 1976 and gives page count, so those can stay, but no price so just leave that blank. If anyone checks a physical copy, info can be updated. The unique cover for this edition is the main point of interest. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:19, 31 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Picclick.com / Contento in notes ==<br />
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Hi, picclick.com has no stable links, just like Contento/Fiction Mags Index, only worse: they go went the book is sold. Contento keeps adding content in between, so info keeps shifting page.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 16:25, 31 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Bride of Darkness ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4953431 Source]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:32, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Source is bright black .50 at top of cover, easily seen without magnifying. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:25, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: What may be easily visible for you on your monitor may not be the case for someone with vision issues or smaller/older screens. And images disappear - sometimes whole sites fall down, sometimes single images disappear due to mistakes or mishaps. This is why it is important to add notes explaining where the data is from in the Notes so even if someone cannot see the image for one reason or another, they can track the data (and check it on their copy if they have it). <br />
:: Approved and note added. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:27, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Unfortunately, this is true even with Amazon-hosted images, especially more recently. Amazon used to preserve Web pages for superseded editions, but it irritated authors, publishers and readers alike, so eventually they changed their policy. I don't know how it works internally on their end, but I have seen images replaced after the fact. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:18, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: At least for now the /I/ images seem to stay stable - although you are right that Amazon is now updating the old pages on reissue and linking to a different /I/ image - making a mess of any old records. Although I worry sometimes that they may decide to start deleting /I/ images that are not connected anywhere anymore - they are a bookseller after all, historical covers don’t really interest them (although I hope the marketplace is enough of a reason for them not to delete them). We will cross that bridge when/if we get to it (one hopes it never happens). In all cases, adding text notes on where the data is exactly is important. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:36, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Adult Version of Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4951557 source]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:56, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Source is top left cover where it says Calga Publishers; it's blurry but legible, and all other Calga books on ISFDB are under same name. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:20, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Roaring Tower and Other Short Stories ==<br />
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Sources for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4951521 these changes]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:57, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: pages: https://www.worldcat.org/title/roaring-tower-and-other-short-stories/oclc/776781492; first library on Worldcat's page, NYPL, has info about stories' pub. history; price: https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/search/results/1930-01-01/1939-12-31?basicsearch=%22stella%20gibbons%22&phrasesearch=stella%20gibbons&newspapertitle=the%2Bsphere (also, ISFDB says "Short Stories" in title but cover says "Stories"; title page needed to verify). --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:10, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: That leaves only "hc". Is that an assumption based on the cover and price? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:02, 7 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== A Shoal of Time ==<br />
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Which "Hamilton's 1972 collection" for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4954164 this update]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 06:10, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: There's only 1 1972 collection on Hamilton's ISFDB page: FLIES ON THE WALL. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:13, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Which does not necessarily mean that this is the only Hamilton 1972 collection - we keep finding editions and books even for authors we think we have everything cataloged for. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:32, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Ghost Flight ==<br />
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What is the source of the price [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4952028 here]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 06:15, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Source is the price printed on the cover, left side; Amazon page allows you to magnify and it clearly says $2.25. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:16, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Exorcist cover artist ==<br />
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You submitted a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4952510 name change] for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2055023 cover artist] for a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?585356 primary-verified copy of a book], but you didn't contact the PV to verify the spelling of the cover artist. Please contact them to verify the spelling of the artist's name as found in the copy of the book they have. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:34, 9 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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PV hasn't contributed since 2017. Also, ISBN-10 on ISFDB entered verbatim into openlibrary.org finds only a 1987 Bantam book named Sweeny's Honor, and entering it on Google verbatim brings up exactly 1 site, this one; entering it without dashes brings up a few pages of mostly Sweeny's Honor, but also a Worldcat page for the Exorcist and a Google Books Exorcist copy, plus sites that say "Sweeny's Honor" and "William Peter Blatty" together. So not only is artist name likely misspelled by the PV and art on this edition probably isn't even by him anyway but the ISBN is probably wrong or mixed up, too. So I've moved on to a hundred other things since I made this edit and now leave it up to you whether to do anything to correct these problems. --[[User:Username|Username]] 21:08, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:That's not the way things work here. We are not here to do everything for you. While we appreciate your contributions, we need to to contribute things within the rules of the site. Please post a note about this to the PV's talk page, and (since you say they haven't contributed since 2017) to the [[ISFDB:Community Portal]]. We can't be making changes just because you ''think'' the PV ''might'' have made a mistake. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:06, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Encyclopaedia of Horror ==<br />
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I approved your cover scan of this pub. Looking at the ISBN in bookfinder.com, most of the copies of the book for sale are in Europe and the sellers seem consistent in maintaining the given spelling of Encyclopaedia. The cover shown is the same as you proposed. I suspect that the book was published in both the U.S. and G.B., with the spelling depending on the country where published. Maybe the cover with the Brit spelling is available somewhere, but I haven't found it. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 20:12, 9 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Rootabaga Stories ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4960928 this submission]: When adding Internet Archive links, please ensure they are for the same edition and printing. The record you are editing is for the first printing, but the Internet Archive scan is of the fifth printing (as can be seen on the copyright page). You are welcome to clone the publication and make a record for the fifth printing. You can then add the Internet Archive link to that record. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:00, 10 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Cartoon: "By George, Kincaid, we we're right!" ==<br />
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Hello, I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4953361 your edit] on hold for a moment as I'm wondering if you can you confirm this isn't a typo in the magazine? If it is, it should stay as-is, and a note added to clarify.If you don't have a reference at hand, it's good practice to check in with the primary verifiers who can confirm. Thank you, regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:42, 10 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/Amazing_Stories_v31n10_1957-10_cape1736]; page 82 shows the correct spelling. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:59, 10 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Perfect! Thank you, regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:03, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Ghosties and Ghoulies'' and ''Tomorrow, Inv.'' page numbers ==<br />
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Hi. What's the source of the page numbers for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4953811 this submission] (''Ghosties and Ghoulies'')? There's no comment, and you didn't make yourself a verifier. I don't see anything in any of the linked secondary sources. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:47, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Same question about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4953811 this submission] (''Tomorrow, Inc.''). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:50, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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https://fantlab.ru/edition135000; https://fantlab.ru/edition267370. --[[User:Username|Username]] 12:57, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Sources II ==<br />
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Hi. When you add data from a secondary source, be sure to adjust the publication notes to reflect the source of the data. Information in notes to the moderator is helpful to the person processing the submission, but those do not become part of the record itself. So, for example, while making the publication date on {{P|588303|Konga}} more specific based on the picture you found on picclick is fine -- and giving me a pointer in the moderator notes was indeed helpful -- the source still needs to be documented in the publication record. I have done that in this case, so just something to keep in mind for future submissions. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:00, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Fantlab ==<br />
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FYI, the "External IDs" feature (on publications) knows about Fantlab. So if you find a relevant entry on Fantlab, you can link to it using their edition number. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:26, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: It's a Russian-language site, so as a proud American I don't feel comfortable linking to them; I enter info here for people to see. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:57, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: One thing to note is that we are a strictly bibliographic site. As such, we do not let our individual political, national, ethnic, ideological and other non-bibliographic preferences affect what we do here. Even our data acquisition robot, [[User:Fixer]], has reluctantly agreed not to pursue his AI supremacy agenda here :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:38, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Also, while they are a valuable source of info their quality control is awful (like many other sites); frequently info they write themselves is wrong, so I only enter info from actual photos of the books or if that's not possible I double-check their written info with at least 1 other site to make sure they got it right. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:57, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: You cannot have it both ways: If you are using them, you need to give them credit for the information (covers and/or data) and here, that means using the external ID and/or the templates (if you are using other edition's data). If you are not comfortable linking to them because of your nationality, then stop using them and stop plagiarizing their data with no attribution. <br />
:: This behavior is against the site's (Fantlab's) rules: "Любое использование материалов сайта допускается только с указанием активной ссылки на источник." which roughly translates as "Site materials can be used only if an active link to the source is included." If you are not willing to conform to their rules, you should NOT use any of their data. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:21, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: It all comes down to the same basic principle which has been repeatedly mentioned on this Talk page and elsewhere -- we need to state our sources. When adding data from FantLab, OCLC or another secondary source, we need to mention which FantLab/OCLC/etc record number the data comes from.<br />
::: If you find that a particular secondary source is not always reliable and use another secondary source to double-check the data, that's perfectly fine, but it needs to be documented in Notes. For example, see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?430831 this publication record], which says "Price stamped on the front flap of the original dust jacket as per Biblio.com and confirmed in Latrobe Bulletin." [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:38, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Request about prices ==<br />
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Hello. I have a request. As you're doing very valuable work and, a.o., are adding missing prices, could you also add in the notes field the other currencies as well (if present of course). The [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Price rules text] says: <br><br />
''British books are often priced for several other commonwealth countries such as Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Malta, Gibraltar, South Africa, East Africa, Trinidad (W.I.), and countries with a significant English-speaking population such as Spain and the Republic of Ireland. '''These additional prices are usefully entered in notes'''. Some of these countries also have pre-decimal formats based on the British pound and post-decimal formats similar to Dollar prices, and some have changed yet again to € (Euro) prices. If in doubt, enter these in notes exactly as stated.''<br><br />
That would be really appreciated. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:03, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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And also, as MartyD already pointed out above, could you add sources to the notes (or in the weblink multifield, as appropriate). Thanks! Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:20, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== She Waits ==<br />
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Hello, I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4956535 your submission] on hold, as it says 'bad checksum' for the ISBN you updated, but you didn't provide a reference for us to check. Can you double-check and provide a reference here? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:18, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Upper right cover corner; I just checked https://www.etsy.com/ca/listing/664652801/she-waits-by-henry-clement-1975-vintage, and there's a photo of the spine with the same ID, so if it's wrong it wouldn't be the first time a book had a bad ISBN; what the right one is, I don't know. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:05, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Hi folks. I was just passing through and noticed this. The ID on the cover of that book is an SBN, not an ISBN, and the -125 at the end is actually the $1.25 price. See [[Help:Screen:EditPub#ISBN|EditPub help]] for a little bit about this situation. One could derive an ISBN from it by adding the leading 0, dropping the price, and adding the missing checksum -- 2 in this case -- ending up with 0-445-00283-2. A favorite site of mine for ISBN analysis is https://www.isbn-check.com/ . Whether that is correct/appropriate or not, I don't know, but [https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0445002832/ Amazon agrees]. Current policy allows use of the derived ISBN on the record, with a note citing the fact that it's derived and providing the stated SBN. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:30, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks Marty. Approved & fixed the ISBN per Marty's explanation. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 10:42, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Is your caps lock stuck? ==<br />
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Please do not shout in notes (moderator ones and even more importantly the publication notes). <br />
Fixed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?375229 here]. Also please add in the note where in the book you find some information. Saying "PRICE FROM COPY ON INTERNET ARCHIVE" can mean anything from proper price to a sticker or a note somewhere. Specifying that the price is on the front flap allows a user to find it in their copy. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:47, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I did that so info I add stands out from other info; when I revisit records to fix or add (as I do constantly) it helps to know what's mine. I've already done about a dozen edits this morning, but if it annoys you future edits will have lowercase letters. --[[User:Username|Username]] 12:02, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: This is a public database, not your private sandbox. Shouting in any notes (or the wiki pages) is not acceptable. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:29, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== If It Had Happened Otherwise ==<br />
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When you post the source as [https://picclick.com/If-It-Happened-Otherwise-edited-by-JCSquire-124248007500.html this link] and nothing more, there are 12 images and some text on this page. If the handling moderator knows where to look, the front flap image is an obvious target. However, not everyone does (or had seen the site before) so it can take a long time to look through all of the images and find what you had seen there (and you can even miss it on a first pass if you do not know where it is supposed to be - some of these angled images can be a pain). <br />
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If you add "image 4" to the link in your moderator note and inside of your publication note you state "Price from the front flap (seen on a copy in picclick.com)" or "Price from the front flap (seen on a copy online)", that saves time for the processing moderator AND they do not need to rewrite your note. See how it looks [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?381932 now] compared to your "PRICE FROM COPY ON PICCLICK.". Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:55, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Username, this has been a recurring issue with your submissions and is becoming a problem for ISFDB moderators. Keep in mind that we process anywhere from 350,000 to 450,000+ submissions per year. If moderators had to spend as much time on researching every submission as they spend on your submissions, the approval process would slow down to a crawl. This is unacceptable. At this rate many moderators may simply stop working on your submissions since their time would be better spent elsewhere. In addition, the current situation wastes your time since moderators frequently ask you to clarify your sources. All of the above can be easily fixed by explicitly stating where the information comes from in Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:13, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Currently I have 250 or so edits awaiting approval. Many are cover images which don't require any notes so those are ready and waiting to be approved. As I explained somewhere here not long ago, the reason I leave info in moderator notes is firstly because when moderator checks they may find I made an error (although that rarely happens), and secondly because info that's entered in notes is not read by most people who use ISFDB, according to everything I've read on message boards; people mainly use it to find covers for old books they remember reading in their youth or to find where stories are, since many people request fiction from old mags and books through interlibrary loan and need to know exactly what pages to request (I've done that many times myself). --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:05, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: The ISFDB has tens of thousands of users and dozens of major contributors. They are all interested in somewhat different aspects of our data: individual authors, early pulps, works in certain languages, art, etc. If you want to concentrate on the types of data that is of interest to a certain subset of ISFDB users, e.g. the readers of certain message boards who wants to see old book covers, that's great. However, all submissions should meet a minimum set of standards, including stating where the data comes from. As I indicated below, this is non-negotiable. We make allowances for new editors who are still learning the ropes, but you have created over 4,000 submissions and have been repeatedly informed about this issue, so you are well past that point. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:40, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Although I have found many rare books and entered much info not found on any other sites, a large part of my time here is entering hundreds (thousands?) of missing covers and entering page #'s/verifying story titles, because I know that's what most of the people out there want. Going forward I think I will concentrate mainly on adding more covers and page #'s/corrected titles, since adding missing hardcover prices from their flaps or exact month of publication from copyright pages or whatever else requires adding note minutiae I'm not good at, obviously. Also, I think I shall return to what I originally was best at, the finding of rare stuff nobody else can. If I do the occasional edit from now on that requires notes, I'll remember to add them myself so no moderators will be upset. While we're all making suggestions here, let me take this opportunity to make some of my own. When approving my edits, moderators should try to start from the bottom and work their way up. They often approve at random and miss my notes from a prior edit related to a later one. Also, I've made dozens of entries spread out on all the wikis (Community, Help, Moderator, Verification) with many questions/interesting info/requests, etc. A few have been answered, sometimes helpfully, but most have gotten no responses, so let's get some. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:05, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Questions and observations about specific bibliographic topics may or may not be answered or commented upon depending on whether we have active editors knowledgeable about the raised topic and on whether they have the time to do additional research. Sometimes it takes weeks or months before another editor chimes in and provides additional information. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:48, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Let's all try to stop criticizing unpaid volunteers and concentrate on literature, shall we? --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:05, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: I'd like to chime in here. First (to get it out of the way), it's not because notes aren't read by most people that they shouldn't be entered - after all, there ''are'' people interested in knowing the source of the information available on ISFDB. That said, and as I've expressed earlier, you're doing a fine job of unearthing missing data. And it would make a hell of a lot of difference for us moderators (and for you too, since your submissions would be processed much faster) if you would add notes for us and other users along the lines Annie clarified above. It may get some used to, but I can't imagine that that would be an unsurmountable problem - at least from my perspective a win-win. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:17, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Peter Sellers (I) ==<br />
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What is the source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4962654 this update]. There is not a single site listed OR a moderator note. Considering that this was sent in the last few minutes after you were reminded about the rules again, this looks like a deliberate refusal to actually follow the rules of participation on the site. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:51, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: This is another example of how unsourced submissions waste everyone's time. It took me a number of Google searches and multiple minutes to find a source confirming that {{A|Peter Sellers (I)}} is the same person as the famous actor -- [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/anth/s233.htm Contento's "Miscellaneous Anthologies Index"]. Multiply it by 400,000 submissions per year and you can see how this is not a viable way of entering data into the database.<br />
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: BUREAUCRAT WARNING: If you continue refusing to clearly state where the data comes from in Notes, it will not only delay the processing of your submissions, but it will also fall under the "non-constructive or disruptive" clause of [[ISFDB:Policy]]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:09, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::I had an edit approved by a moderator recently where I discovered the Peter Sellers who wrote "The Wastrel" was the famous actor but was mistakenly in the same record as the Peter Sellers who wrote genre fiction in the 80's and 90's. The anthology where "The Wastrel" appears, https://archive.org/details/knightsofmadness0000unse, has an intro by Peter Haining on p. 228 of the book confirming it's Sellers the actor, not the writer. Now that a separate record has been created for Sellers the actor I figured it would be good to fill in bio info and provide a photo, so that's what I did. I'm not deliberately trying to be confusing, it's that some moderators are less concerned about exactness and trust I know what I'm talking about. As I said above, once backlog of my edits are cleared I'm going to stick mostly to adding covers and finding and adding info not found anywhere else on the current web, which is what I was mostly doing when I first started here. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:37, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks for the clarification. I have added a note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?292831 the title record] explaining where the identification of the author comes from. I have also changed "Peter Sellers (I)" to "Peter Sellers (actor)" as per [[Help:How to separate two authors with the same name]], which prioritizes the use of profession for disambiguation purposes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 09:46, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== And the Darkness Falls ==<br />
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Another one with no source (thanks for adding the note though): [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4962593 And the Darkness Falls]. <br />
: Where did you see the front flap?<br />
: As per the help page [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:CoverArt for covers]: "The cover designer (as opposed to the cover artist) is only entered in this field if he or she also did (parts of) the cover art. Otherwise the cover designer can be recorded in the note field." If the only credit on this flap is for the design, then a cover is not added. If there is another credit somewhere, please provide a source.<br />
The edit will need to be rejected (so we do not create a cover that then will need to be cleaned up) but if you provide a link where the flap is visible, I will edit the book after that to include both the Jacket design information and the source. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:01, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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I added external ID for Fantlab, which I was told to do by you recently, so I thought it was obvious where I got info from, but here it is: https://fantlab.ru/edition131050. See photo 6. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:40, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Adding an ID does not replace the note explaining the source. In the case of FantLab it provides the link that is required so that you can then attribute the exact information to them in the notes. Edit rejected and note and external ID added again as explained above. Let me know if you have any questions. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:50, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Open library and covers ==<br />
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When you find the cover there, please also add the Open Library ID into the external IDs. While the links on the left usually lead to the Open Library book correctly (if there is an ISBN to use), this is not true for older books or in some cases where the ISBN is reused or Open Library has more than one version for this ISBN. No need to add a note unless there is something interesting in the record. See how I did it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?207069 here]. Thanks! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:02, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I've probably already added several covers from that site since the one you linked, but when I use their covers in future I'll try to remember to add the ID. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:07, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: I'll add them to any I am approving if they cross my path. While it is not critical, it helps for non-verified books (showing that we are not the only ones believing that the book exists for example) and sometimes provide interesting details we lack (and which can go into the notes) :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:13, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Same request for FantLab covers (with the same reason). Fixed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?226381 here]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:32, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
(unindent) One small note on Fantlab images. When you copy them directly, they contain at the end a session information (?r=1603912742 for example). Pull that out (anything after the ? and the ? itself) - while keeping them does not seem to cause any issues at the moment, it is unclear if it might in the future (the same reason why we clean Amazon images from all Amazon formatting). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:20, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Nine Rocks / Internet Archive links ==<br />
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Hello. Just an FYI - we record titles as they appear in the book. In the Nine Rocks case in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?268366 this pub], this means that a new ''Nine Rocks'' title needed to be created, and then varianted to the original ''Nine Rocks in a Row'' title (I've done that here, have a look)<br />
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Also, when you are retrieving information from an Internet Archive copy, please add the link to the Webpages multifield iso buried into the Note to moderators. Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:48, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Song in the House ==<br />
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When you have a link such as https://www.amazon.co.uk/Song-House-Ann-BRIDGE/dp/B003AQ2G5I (an ASIN based Amazon link), there are two ways to record it in a publication. <br />
* If it belongs to the book itself, as was [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?547479 here], just record the ASIN in the ASIN field and then just mention Amazon (the correct one of the 16) in the notes (which you did here already).<br />
* If you are using it for a credit but the link is NOT for this edition, you can use a template instead: <nowiki>{{ASIN|B003AQ2G5I}}</nowiki> for example. All templates can be found [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Using_Templates_and_HTML_in_Note_Fields here].<br />
As a rule, Amazon links are not to be recorded in the Webpages links - they are either ISBN10 based (in which case the ISBN carries them) or ASIN based (then we use the ASIN field). I fixed it in the linked book. Thanks for finding this one! Please note that the ASIN field is only used for ASINs starting with B, the number only ones are ISBN10 and we already have that higher on the page. Let me know if you have any questions. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:19, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Forgetful Robot ==<br />
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Does "page #" [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?331270 here] means the "Pages" field or the page number for each story (aka the contents page numbers)? Also - let's use the word "number" and not "#" in sentences in the notes. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:50, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Contents page numbers. --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:53, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Note updated. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:44, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Ghost Story Treasury ==<br />
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What is the source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4960950 this variant]? As one of the anthologies has no contents, we need a source either with contents or showing one of them as a reissue of the other. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:07, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I found this, http://www.locusmag.com/index/b444.htm, which mentions first U.S. edition, so I think they're the same, just retitled; if not sufficient, just reject; children's books are often hard to get info for. --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:34, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Yep, that is good enough (the First U.S. edition (Kingfisher 1987) part at the end of the the US listing). I will add a note. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:14, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== British Books with two prices ==<br />
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You left a note about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?126061 this publication] which has both pre-decimal and decimal prices. If you check [[Template:PublicationFields:Price|this help section]], our policy is to reflect the pre-decimal price in the price field, so the existing record was incorrect. It's certainly also appropriate to reflect the decimal price in the notes. I'll correct this record, but wanted to call the standard to your attention. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:43, 15 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== It's for You ==<br />
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Where is the contents [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4959547 here] coming from? The Moderator note explains where the two dates are coming from but nothing about the rest of the stories or where the page numbers are coming from. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:16, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: https://www.amazon.com/Its-You-Keith-Minnion/dp/1950565084; (Look Inside). --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:13, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Approved with one note: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2855414 here] the date should be 2006, not 1989. We date the first appearance under that title. So I fixed that. And for the other story: we date when something is published officially; copyright and posting online can be added to the notes but are not used for dating. :) Thanks for finishing the contents. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:21, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== What Is Dungeons and Dragons? ==<br />
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If I approve [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4965935 this], it will change the data in a verified book. The PV is active so can you please discuss the change with him? If the credits are different, we will need variants. If they are the same, we need to fix BOTH the title records and the publications (once created, they need to be changed separately). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:23, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Apologies for interrupting, but FWIW, I had a copy of this as a kid (it may even still be lurking in a box somewhere at my parents' house) and I recall it having the 3 authors listed in this edit. My vague memory tells me that there wasn't much ISFDB-relevant in it though - maybe a chapter about fictional inspiration for RPGs - so I doubt it would be accepted as a new submission nowadays.<br />
: I notice [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?10337 John Butterfield] also has a bunch of earlier artwork for US pubs (at least the ones I've checked). I'm pretty sure that will be a different person - my (again very vague) recollection of this book is that the authors were all recent graduates from the same UK university, so it seems unlikely this person was also doing pro-art for US publishers 3-4 years earlier. I don't know how/where you might be able to prove that though... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 13:57, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Which is fine and I do not disbelieve the edit. BUT there is an active PV on one of the books and the site policies and common courtesy require someone to talk to them because they have the book and can open it and check (despite being Transient - it was January 2021 so there is a chance they still have access or remember better than someone who saw it last century ... :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:12, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: And yeah - seems like two different people. Let me do some more digging. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:39, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Companion ==<br />
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I thought we agreed above that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4966265 this kind of updates] will have notes added as well. I approved the previous one and added the note. I will approve this one and update again but can you please ADD notes? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:37, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I've been trying to add more notes since the above discussion but an edit that includes only a price that's on the cover which is on the ISFDB record and wasn't entered by prior editor for whatever reason doesn't require a note; notes are for info not visible like copyright pages and hardcover prices and whatnot. This series had the same price for all 15 books so price was obvious, anyway. I do so many of these edits every day that it's very tiring to remember to enter every last note and external ID and whatever else you all want, but I have been adding more. Perhaps it would be better if you just reject anything that you find something wrong with and explain what you need in the rejection note rather than sending message after message on my talk page. Or maybe you should confine your approval of my edits to only cover images which don't require anything else and leave the other edits to someone else. Unlike someone who I read on ISFDB recently who was complaining about how long it was taking to approve his edits, I really don't care how long it takes. I just add entries constantly, and when moderators approve them, they approve them. Take as long as you want. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:02, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: And all that can be added to the notes. I've mentioned before that there are users who have vision issues and some covers are not very clear. Adding a note takes a few seconds - either from your time or from someone else's. Asking a moderator to do it because you cannot be bothered is not very nice. No moderator should be approving edits with no clear sources in the notes - and some had been reminded to be careful around your edit because of your refusal to add notes. So if you ask the moderator team to reject any incomplete edits from you, we can do that easily enough. Instead I am trying to work with you so you do not lose your time finding information that will be rejected later. If you prefer straight rejections with explanation instead, sure - that works as well :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:09, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: I would prefer any edit I make from now on that you find fault with to be rejected with a note saying what was wrong with it rather than sending a message to my talk page which is now extremely long; I'm tired of seeing that yellow bar pop up with another message complaining about something. My info is almost always correct because I verify every edit I make, so the problem is not with the quality but the process. I've noticed since our discussion above that I'm slowly moving away from adding hardcover flap prices and exact months and all the other minutiae I've been doing the last few months and going back to adding more cover images and finding rare info nobody else can like I was when I started, so sometime soon these "adding notes" talks will be moot because I won't be doing anything that requires them, anyway. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:33, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::: One thing that I believe I mentioned earlier is that cover scan hosted by third party sites, including Amazon, can be transient. We have seen thousands of image URLS die over the years.<br />
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:::: On the other hand, the data that we store in the ISFDB database is backed up once a day, except for images, which are backed up once a week. We make our backups publicly available once a week and many people (all over the world) faithfully download them. In addition, our software is publicly available. Nothing short of a worldwide disaster on the level of dinosaur-killing asteroid will make it impossible to rebuild the ISFDB database. Think of any Note text that you add as your own personal slice of immortality :-)<br />
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:::: Re: price visibility, are you saying that you can easily read the price printed on [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51IWnJffnnL.jpg this cover scan]? If you are, you are better at pattern recognition that most humans. All I see is blurry white lines. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:49, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Swamp Witch ==<br />
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Please talk to the PV [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4966285 here]. This kind of changes should always be discussed with the PVs as you had been reminded more than once. Sometimes it may turn out that they have a slightly different edition than the one you found online. That's why we have the PV system. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:47, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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I cancelled my submission. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:05, 16 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Wikipedia as a source ==<br />
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Hi. A word of warning about Wikipedia as a source: You can't necessarily trust information in Wikipedia articles. It's best to look at the cited references and try to find the original source for the information in the article. We need to be careful about propagating assumptions and/or outright errors. For example, your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4960968 proposed date change] for ''The Hunt for Red October'' based on Wikipedia's October 1, 1984. I poked around a little, and it's not clear October 1 is correct or the article's source for it. The [https://tomclancy.com/product/the-hunt-for-red-october Tom Clancy] site does say October 1, but the [https://www.usni.org/press/books/hunt-red-october ISNI Press] site says October 2.<br />
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BTW, I don't see why we shouldn't have listings for publications of that title. I'm checking to see what others think. I have your edit on hold. Assuming we should have publication records, a record for the first edition would be a better place to try to explain the above dating disagreement than in the title record. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:31, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:p.s. I got reminded of why we don't have publication records.... :-) Oh well. So I accepted the submission but removed the day (so just dated October 1984), and I added a note stating the publication date is uncertain, explaining the discrepancy and linking the above sources. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:14, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::The Catalog of Copyright #TX0001475353 puts 1984-10-03 as the official registered date of publication. The registration was accepted on 1984-10-29.[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 10:03, 22 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Nice find. I expanded the notes, adding that, with [https://publicrecords.copyright.gov/detailed-record/13828104 this link] (probably not permanent, but it looks likely to get a permanent replacement someday). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:22, 24 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Linking translations ==<br />
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To link a translation to the original title, we use "Make This Title a Variant" -- the translation is the "child"/variant, and the original is the "parent"/canonical title. So where you discovered the missing introduction in {{P|368060|Cold House}}, the linking necessarily had to wait for the approval of your submission that added it. Then one could go to {{T|2298089|Einleitung (Das kalte Haus)}} and make it the variant of the newly added title, which I have done. Now both of the titles show the relationship to the other, and if you take a look at {{P|645515|Das kalte Haus}}, you'll see the German introduction is annotated as a translation of Ketchum's English introduction.<br />
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The complementary scenario exists when adding a new title that's a translation of an existing title -- the relationship between new and existing needs to be established in the other direction, but doing so still has to wait for the new title to be created. So what you did with making a note to the moderator about the translation relationship between the new title and the existing title is perfect; the moderator processing the submission can know to go make the variant relationship while processing the submission. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:45, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Quest: 1972 ''Exorcism''(s) ==<br />
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I can see the covers on the edition of Exorcism [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?835576 you submitted] and on the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359576 previously existing record] are different, with both clearly showing the W101Z, $1.25 and Lexington Press. It would be interesting to know how those two editions are related. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:56, 25 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Yes, it would; the publisher has no other books on ISFDB. This, http://www.bradmiddleton.ca/2020/02/exorcism-1971-by-eth-natasor-was-it.html, gives a good review of the book but just mentions the "alternate cover"; the reason I added that cover here is because it's an actual cover and not just some text on a black background like the other one, plus it's really stupid. I see that searching on Worldcat for "all editions" gives a 1972 Lexington House ed. but also a 1974 Manor Books ed., which I see you added 2 printings of, but Worldcat says the later ed. is also 190 pages, so you may want to add that, too; searching for Eth Natas gives only 2 hits, this book and an encyclopedia article which gives an error page if you click on it; searching for a Lexington House in Jamaica, N.Y. gives only this book so apparently they were one-and-done. This, https://www.etsy.com/listing/938956379/exorcism-witchcraft-possession-the-dead, shows the back cover of the Manor ed.; this, https://www.amazon.co.uk/Exorcism-Eth-Natas/dp/0532122062, gives an ISBN. Hope this helps, MartyD. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:53, 25 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== John R. Holt pseudonym of Raymond Giles? ==<br />
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I stumbled upon [https://www.librarything.com/author/holtjohnr this] LibraryThings statement. Currently those two authors are not linked with each other in the ISFDB. Do you agree that {{a|John R. Holt}} is a pseudonym of {{a|Raymond Giles}}? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:04, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Yes. It's mentioned several places on the web, but this is a good one: https://darkeyesoflondon.blogspot.com/2020/12/. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:33, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks for the confirmation. I've linked both authors and made Giles the canonical name. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 17:16, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Judgement vs. Judgment ==<br />
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Hello. I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4972212 your edit] on hold for a moment. Could you check with SFJuggler (by leaving a note on his talk page) whether it's indeed a typo, or if it's written as Judg'''e'''ment Day on the title page instead? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:12, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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PV said it's his typo, and my edit is correct. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:27, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And approved! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 17:37, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Fifth Season ==<br />
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On your submissions for "The Fifth Season" and "People of the Night". Looking at the pictures, both sure look like they are stapled and are therefor ph. And all the stories in "The Fifth Season" should be short stories; how can any story in a collection 40 pages long be anything else? [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 15:20, 27 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Timothy Mulcahy ==<br />
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What is the source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4978840 this]? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:17, 8 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:He has a website, timmulcahy.com, but I don't see any definite links between the stories in both records on ISFDB, so it can be rejected. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:43, 9 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Yeah, unfortunately that website only mentions the "Birth Screams of Angels" story. I added the website to {{A|Tim Mulcahy}} based on that, but rejected the variant. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:19, 9 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== A Different Drummer ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4984120 this submission]: Is the Internet Archive copy you found [https://archive.org/details/differentdrummer00kell_1 this one]? Or is there another version I'm not seeing? The reason I ask is that is a copy of the third printing per the number line so it's not clear if the date is for the original printing or that third printing. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:19, 16 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: That's the one; the foreword is copyright 1989 so it's a new edition, but it also says the original Anchor edition was 1969, which is also on ISFDB with no cover; looking online it seems to have a different cover, so they updated a few things for this one. I almost added the wrong cover to the 1989 book because Amazon had some other cover which is for another edition. You may be right about the third printing, but the price other editor entered was much higher than the 1 on the archive.org copy, so why would the 1st printing be more expensive than the 3rd? Also, there's a note about Amazon saying it's from May 1990, so I'm not sure about all this, but since PV is no longer active and my info came from an actual copy of the book, I think we should go with mine, and if someone else has a copy of the first printing with a 1989 date on the back cover they can always enter that on ISFDB as another edition; book on archive.org says 0690 on back so if PV had a copy of the book it should have a similar --89 date, but I guess they missed that and just used date on copyright page. Adding a note that the archive.org copy is the 3rd printing would be good, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:04, 16 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
::The copyright page has "Anchor Books Editions: 1969, 1989" so seems like 1989 would be the correct year for this first printing and the "0690" would be for the third printing. The price is suspect, but prices can change between printings. Yes, it would be nice to be able to ask the verifier to double check the price and if there is a date code on the back. But as they are no longer active, we cannot and we have to go with the information we have. We create separate records for each printing so I have cloned the record and created a third printing. I sourced that to the archive.org scan. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:47, 18 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Incomplete cover ==<br />
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Hello username! It was kind of you to add a cover to my verified book [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?753227 Weltraum Nr. 1], but it's incomplete. In the middle of the cover there is still a painting. Greetings Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 08:40, 17 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Drive In The Bus Tour ==<br />
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I approved your submission of changes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?312004 The Drive In: The Bus Tour], even with the new cover scan. The original scan was much better IMHO. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 15:40, 19 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
: The cover I added shows full art including what's on the back. It may be a little glossy when small like a lot of small-press hardcovers, but clicking makes it bigger and much easier to see the art. ISFDB's policy of shrinking all images down has the unfortunate side effect of making a lot of covers and author images hard to see; some display better when clicked or opened in a new tab, some don't; this one does. And if the cover art is continued on the back cover it's usually better to use that so users can see it in full, unless the image is so bad that it's not feasible to use it. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:22, 19 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Black Dog / Queta Non Movere ==<br />
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Hello, can you provide source for your varianting statement [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4993714 here]? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:45, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:I discovered this months ago and left a message on ISFDB asking if anyone knew more; months passed and nobody answered so I decided to enter it. The original edition of Dark Encounters and a recent Polygon edition use the original title, but the 1984 John Goodchild edition decided to use the title here, https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbchomeservice/basic/1961-10-12. I suspect they changed it because people these days wouldn't understand the Latin title so they gave it a more "horror-y" title. Online reviews that discuss "Quieta Non Movere" mention a black dog so they're the same story. There's a copy of the 1984 edition on Google Books and on Fantlab, https://fantlab.ru/edition219644. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:03, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: I've approved the varianting, and added a note to the Black Dog title record, stating Fantlab has this as 'Quieta Non Movere'. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 10:57, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::I'm glad to finally get this info entered on ISFDB; one change I would suggest, though, is making the note refer to the BBC link I provided above, since that is the only hit I got when I searched on Google for the "Black Dog..." title and is probably when the title was originally changed. The "Black Dog..." title doesn't link to Fantlab on Google because in their usual sloppy fashion they list titles from 1963 edition on 1984 edition's page and forgot to change the title from "Quieta..." to "Black Dog...", so the only way people would know the title was changed is if they clicked on the photos from the book. Another thing is I decided to search Internet Archive for the "Black Dog..." title and again got only 1 hit, https://archive.org/details/Radiocorriere-1961-41, so there's 1 more bit of proof that this was the title they used for radio. Why only the 1984 edition of Dark Encounters decided to use that title is anyone's guess. I will add an edit now with the external ID for Fantlab so people can go there if they want to see the photos. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:32, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Sure, feel free to add the two references into the pub notes (and URL in the web multifield). Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 06:54, 30 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Making of The Wizard of Oz ==<br />
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Hello! I approved your submission of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?252547 The Making of The Wizard of Oz] and correct your wrong ISBN record. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 15:24, 6 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Danke. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:30, 6 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== [no subject] ==<br />
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Where exactly did you get the impression that I have a problem with people disagreeing with me? That's a problem of yours, not mine. <br><br />
It's difficult to get across subtle nuances online, but you seemed to get prickly when I asked if you were a moderator. Why? I was just wondering if maybe you could approve the change for me. <br><br />
I'm just as good an editor as you, although not as prolific. Sometimes I make mistakes, but I catch them and fix them. I'm fully aware of every missing link in every issue I've entered, and why it's missing. You couldn't be sure of that, of course, and I appreciate you trying to help. I also really appreciated your kind words about my efforts to add Fangoria, and your offer of help. I wish I'd said so.<br><br />
You say "tantrum", I say "prank". It's your six-month anniversary, and one of the better editors should surely have a biography!--[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 01:22, 18 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Username? It would help if you answered those two questions, please.--[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 04:28, 26 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
When you forgive my sarcasm (which trumps rudeness!), I'd like to take you up on your offer of help with Fangoria. If you want to verify the issues that you have, or add anything that belongs, that would be great.--[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 21:21, 28 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Jason Alexander ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5036748 this submission]: It looks like {{A|Jason Alexander}} is multiple people. The only record I was able to confirm to be by the actor is "Dad, Are You The Tooth Fairy?" (plus probably the two interviews). Are you aware of any others? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:17, 21 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
:The 1978 novel is not by the actor since he was only 18 or 19 at the time; the publisher has 5 books on Open Library, and 1 by Alexander is readable, revealing that author is a Libertarian Ayn Rand type. The art is all within the same time period so most likely is by the same artist. So the actor wrote the Tooth Fairy book and the 2 interviews are with him also because there's lots of info online about him appearing on Trek. That leaves the essay; no info online about which Alexander wrote that, but if I had to guess it's by the artist. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:57, 21 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Yup, that was my thought. I will divide them up. By the way, I moved your response from my talk page over to here as it keeps the conversation together. That allows someone else in the future to more easily figure it out if they have questions. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:25, 21 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Dangerous Red ==<br />
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I approved you submission for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2721847 Dangerous Red], but you need to clone the pub under that title and enter the 2003 edition in edition to the new edition. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 15:22, 3 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Moorstones ==<br />
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Hello, could you check [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=0907349307&type=ISBN]? It has two publication records with identical ISBN, but different publishers. (2nd one is the one you cloned [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5066858 here]). Is this expected? Or must the ISBN of the Spindlewood edition be removed? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:57, 27 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I asked about this myself on Community Portal under "Moorstones". Since edition I entered came from the actual book on Archive.org I would trust that and assume the ISBN for later edition was taken from some online info that had the wrong one; of course it's possible they both use same ISBN, so someone needs to produce the Salem edition to check. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:18, 27 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::The Salem House edition info is copied from Locus. They could be wrong about the ISBN.--[[User:Chris J|Chris J]] 19:34, 30 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Delete notes ==<br />
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Hello! I hold your submission of ''Our Gang (Starring Tricky and His Friends)''. Are you sure that you want to delete all notes? Regards Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 08:10, 30 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: That was an extra note about the quote on last page; don't know why it thinks I wanted to delete previous notes, way the software works I guess, but it's an extra note, not meant to replace previous ones. --[[User:Username|Username]] 08:46, 30 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: I've approve your submission and restore the notes. [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 09:08, 30 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Grey Matter Variant ==<br />
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Hi Username -<br />
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I'm holding your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5069181 edit] to change the date to 1978 for the variant of King's story with the title as "Grey Matter"? Our earliest appearance of the story with that spelling is now November 1987, after your edits to the Pan publication. I'll also note that you really should have checked with the verifier of that book before submitting those edits. I had to contact them and make sure it was OK before approving them. They noted that there is a 1978 copyright date but, but the book doesn't indicate what title was used for the 1978 publication. I'll change the record to 1987 for now and continue to hold your edit depending on your source. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:53, 1 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: The story was published in an American porn mag and then collected in Night Shift in 1978. It was Gray in America but Grey in England, and since the English edition also came out in '78 that was its first appearance. I brought this up somewhere on the boards months ago and 1 of you responded saying that every book where the story appears would need to be checked to see how it's spelled, so now I got the ball rolling; others can check their copies or online and verify if it was spelled Grey in all other British publications, whether Night Shift editions or Pan Books or anything else. Sometimes I notice a book was PV'd and check with them first, sometimes I don't. I was on my way out of here recently until a hurricane and terrorists made it impossible for me to travel. The barbarians are at the gate, so the fact I'm still here is a miracle; that may not be true much longer. --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:53, 1 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
::First off, stay safe wherever you are. You didn't really answer the question. You assert that all UK editions have the variant title and that it was first published in the UK in 1978. Where did you get those pieces of information? We do not list a 1978 UK edition. There is none listed in Contento1, which is our chief source for pre-1984 collections. Worldcat has one record published by Hodder & Stoughton and one by New English Library, both for 1978, but neither records list the contents. I'm going to reject the edit to change the variant date for now. If you have a source you can cite, we can revisit this. Lastly, checking with active verifiers when you are changing the spelling of content is not optional. You need to do that every time. It's especially important when you don't have a source for your information as it appears you did not in this case. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:39, 1 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: www.stephenkingcollector.com/identifyingUK1st.html; www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=Stephen+King+First+Editions:Night+Shift+-+Trade+HC+UK; https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/9047442.pdf (spells it GREY and even says what pages it's on); 1978 was NEL's HC Night Shift date; most King books were published in America and Britain close together. The reason why the British edition is not on ISFDB isn't because it doesn't exist but because nobody ever bothered to enter it. Sounds unlikely, but I've entered many editions by very well-known authors (Straub, Koontz, etc.) which should have been here but weren't. The Pan Book of Horror Stories definitely says "GREY Matter" because I actually found a photo of the contents page, and it seems that it was the only British anthology that story ever appeared in, at least as far as ISFDB says, so the only question now is whether all of the many British editions of Night Shift spell it that way, which seems very likely to me. So the British spelling's date almost certainly originates from the 1978 NEL Night Shift, but if you don't want to change it that's on you. As for checking with PV's, there was a time when I never checked because in almost every case my changes turned out to be correct, but eventually I started checking and have done so many times, but often I forget since I'm only human. --[[User:Username|Username]] 21:31, 1 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::: https://www.booksandyou.in/product/night-shift1; the cached Google version still works, and includes a photo showing contents with "Grey Matter"; ISBN matches British editions on ISFDB but price is different, so it's some unknown printing. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:15, 3 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Bad Candy ==<br />
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Posted an answer on my [[User_talk:MagicUnk|talk page]] [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:MagicUnk#Bad_Candy here]. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:50, 6 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Type change of ''The X-Files Book of the Unexplained, Volume II'' ==<br />
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Could you please confirm [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5076872 this update] with SFJugger first? That would be appreciated. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:35, 8 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I think you meant SFJuggler. There's nothing really to confirm, since the first volume is NF on ISFDB; he just made a mistake and entered it as a collection. Also, see this link under Non-fiction books; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_X-Files_literature. If y'all disagree you can cancel my edit, that's fine. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:43, 8 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks. I've accepted the submission, and added the link to the Moderators notes for reference. And it's not really about disagreeing (I'm impartial, as I don't have any interest either way), it's about confirming and ensuring a primary verifier agrees with your suggested update. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:04, 8 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Adding covers found in other editions ==<br />
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When you are adding a cover artist because the art matches that of another publication already in the database. Please don't simply add the name of the artist to the publication record. This will result in a new COVERART title record which will then require an additional edit to merge it with the other title record from the source publication. A better approach would be to import the COVERART title used in the other publication(s) into the publication where it is missing. For example, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5084890 this edit] would create a new title which would then need to be merged with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1140800 this existing] title record. Instead, just grab the Title Record # from the existing record (1140800) and use the Import Content tool (Option 2) to add the COVERART to the publication. This way, you won't have to go back and submit merge edits. Let me know if you have any questions. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:07, 16 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Moby Dick ==<br />
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HI! The official title is "Moby Dick; Or, The Whale" , would this be better as the parent and Moby Dick as the variant?[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 20:05, 28 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Wikipedia says The Whale as a 3-volume book in GB and Moby Dick as a single volume in America. --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:12, 28 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Stupid Amazon has piles of books with that title! Should have read more of the Wiki article :/[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 20:38, 28 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Open library link in "Death and Resurrection" ==<br />
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Please explain the open library link [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362571 here]. It should obviously be in one of the editions of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1325558 New Cthulhu: The Recent Weird]. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 03:54, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Prior editor wrote note about wrong ISBN on copyright page vs. right ISBN on back cover; Open Library page for Death and Resurrection has no Archive.org link but the page I linked to does; my note explains about right author but wrong title. Clicking Preview shows MacAvoy's book. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:48, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: So write a more comprehensible note. No one understands this as it is now. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 10:54, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: It's perfectly comprehensible. There's some other editor's note about different ISBN's, and there's my new note about how the Open Library page I linked to shows wrong title but right author. I don't usually link directly to non-public domain books on Archive.org because many of them aren't supposed to be there and often get taken down after complaints. I have a feeling you're just being difficult because of my refuting of all your hostile messages recently. If that's the case, you don't have to check my edits anymore. There's many other people working here. Or you can be professional and act like an adult. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:01, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::: This has nothing to do with being hostile. Clicking the link you provided brings you to [https://openlibrary.org/books/OL26775558M/New_Cthulhu_The_Recent_Weird this page]. It shows the cover of 'New Cthulhu: The Recent Weird' which is obvously wrong. How do you expect people to know that it shows the right edition after clicking through if you don't explain this in the note? <br />
:::: I'll be perfectly happy if you don't touch my primary verifications anymore, that would save me a lot of wasted time. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 11:21, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::: In order not to receive any more of your messages about this issue, I will add an extra note to that record explaining in exact detail that the Preview link must be clicked in order to read MacAvoy's book, for all the slow adults out there who can't figure out how to click a button. I also just added a message on Community Portal about this topic, so now it's preserved for the ages. You also spelled obviously incorrectly. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:28, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::As the other verifier of this publication record, I have to object to this. It seems completely bizarre to me to include a link to the OL record for the Guran anthology in the record for the MacAvoy novel in order to provide a link to the archive record that happens to be incorrectly linked from OL record. Why not simply add the internet archive link directly? You mention that you don't want to for fear of it being taken down. If it is taken down, why would the OL still have it. I also have to reiterate (how many times have I asked you before?) that you need to check with the verifiers before making this sort of change. Had I been consulted first, I would have told you not to link to the wrong book, and I suspect from these comments that Willem would have agreed. I'm going to back out these changes and link to the internet archive directly. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:11, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: I don't know what's in the air recently, but you people are making way too big a deal about this. If you want to complain, complain to Prime Books for printing Death and Resurrection's ISBN in New Cthulhu. The Open Library page for Death and Resurrection has no Preview button to click, so anyone visiting that page would think the book is not readable at the Archive, so I provided an OL link to the page that actually has the Preview button which takes you to Death and Resurrection; wrong cover and title mean nothing, since it's the double ISBN's in the book itself that are responsible for the confusion. I've noticed you frequently add archive.org links to records for books that are not public domain; that's risky, since many are taken down due to copyright complaints; one of my first edits here on ISFDB was for a Noel Langley story from Saturday Evening Post that was reprinted in his 1950 collection under a different title; it still hasn't been changed because by the time I started editing here those issues were all gone because of copyright issues, so I was never able to prove it. So you can add whatever you want to, but when they come calling you'll have to deal with them. I don't appreciate your hostile tone, especially since I did a good thing by adding a link to a book that would have otherwise gone unread by most. Also, why would I contact PV about adding an external ID; I'm not changing anything you did. You rarely have anything positive to say and only message me when you have a complaint about something trivial like this; if I had a dollar for every time I've had to fix wrong info and saw your name as the one who entered that info I'd be rich, so get off your high horse. When I contacted your friend up there months ago to let him know I'd done some changes on a book he PV'd he responded with extreme rudeness, so if you want me to contact PV every time I make some change, even if it's unnecessary as in this case, then maybe y'all should learn how to respond like adults. I've been 1 of the most prolific editors here this year, and was ready to take a long break recently, until circumstances beyond my control put a stop to that, but if I continue to receive constant complaints about my work that may change. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:48, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Please do not edit archived discussions ==<br />
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I have reverted [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB%3ACommunity_Portal%2FArchive%2FArchive50&diff=613373&oldid=608314 your edit]. If you need to post an update to the discussion, please don't edit the archived discussion pages. Very few people will see anything posted on the archived discussion pages, so anything impportant posted there will be unseen by most everyone. Instead, please post it on the appropriate discussion page as a new topic (in this case, on the [[ISFDB:Community Portal]] page). I recommend doing that for this one, and then link to the [[ISFDB:Community Portal/Archive/Archive50#Missing Cover for Blood Rare|archived discussion like this]]. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:01, 1 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I'm the one who wrote the original message; finding the cover by accident more than 6 months later, I went back and added a note about that. Nobody responded during that 6+ months, so I doubt anyone cares that I finally found the cover; if they ever look for that book they'll see the cover in its record. I was writing the note to myself, as I've done with several other recent findings by me for old messages I left that no one ever answered, so that when I look back over all my messages as I do sometimes I know which ones were solved. No need for a new topic because the case is closed. Most of my very numerous messages have never been answered, so if I want to talk to myself, だから何だ? --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:38, 1 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::I understand. Please don't edit archived discussion, however. I suspect the one of the biggest reasons so many of your messages don't get answered is because there are so many of them it's hard for anyone to keep up with them. It might be good to make a user sub-page to keep track of them, and ask people to follow that. Then you can keep track of which have been answered there. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:07, 1 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Translations ==<br />
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As you are venturing into translations, a few notes:<br />
* We need the translator up on the title level so we know which titles need merging if there are multiple publications. I fixed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2926829 this one]<br />
* We have a template for recording the translators - Tr. You can see in the example above how it is used. It is one of those "if one day we start recording translators" preparations. When you do not add it or do not use the template, it pops up on a report and someone will need to fix it later. <br />
* For Spanish, our external ID LTF stands for https://tercerafundacion.net/ - which is a good place for additional verification and data for Spanish language books. They definitely do not have everything but when they do, they have more information than most. So if you plan to work on Spanish, you may want to check them occasionally.<br />
Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:25, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I wasn't venturing into translations, it was just a random book I came across while searching for other things. I was surprised it wasn't here already so I took a shot at entering it; I entered most info correctly, and points you brought up are ISFDB-specific, not related to the book itself. I also was on that LTF page before I entered the info but didn't know ISFDB had an external ID for them. I barely comprehend English so when I enter one of my very rare new publications for a foreign-language book it's because it interested me in some way, not because I have any interest in entering foreign editions. I'm running on fumes here, so even working on English-language publications doesn't interest me much anymore. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:40, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Which is fine - but if you do translations, keep these in mind. You had the translator, it was just in the wrong notes. So I am stopping by with an advice on how to reduce the number of edits needed later when you add translations. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:48, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The High Holidays are over, but… ==<br />
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Forgiven me yet? :'( --[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 03:09, 16 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Unexplained edits affecting verified publications ==<br />
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Hi. This [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5121886 submission] is a good example of where you could save moderators a lot of work. You propose to change a title that appears in multiple verified publications, at least one of which has an active primary verifier. You provided no note explaining why (yes, it looks like an obvious misspelling, but what makes you think it's incorrect?), you did not check with the verifier, and the main secondary source -- Locus1 -- has the spelling as recorded in the entry. I did the Locus1 check, I asked MLB to confirm the spelling in the book he verified, and now I'm leaving you a note. Maybe others skipped over it due to lack of explanation and following of process; maybe someone else would have rejected it outright. But for me, what could have taken a few seconds to process has turned into many minutes (and I'm still not done with it). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]]<br />
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: Well, there's this, [https://www.picclickimg.com/00/s/MTYwMFgxMjAw/z/uQEAAOSwlRBg3pQW/$/Jack-Ketchum-Exit-at-Toledo-Blade-Boulevard-_57.jpg], where it's spelled SLEAZY, and there's also this, https://www.amazon.com/Peaceable-Kingdom-Jack-Ketchum/dp/1477806547, where searching inside gives 1 hit for SLEAZY but no hits for SLEASY, and there's a note saying the 47North edition was taken directly from the Leisure edition, so the spelling would be the same there, too. There's also the fact that searching Google for the title with the wrong spelling only lists a handful of sites, with ISFDB first and Locus next, with the few other sites obviously having taken their info directly from ISFDB. So what probably happened, as happens very often, is Locus lists wrong info (like every other online site), editor here copies it verbatim without verifying from an actual copy, and the wrong info remains, sometimes for a decade or more, until I come along and fix it, as I've done thousands of times before, because I do check physical copies or online scans of physical copies and never trust what some online site tells me. Also, 1 PV hasn't been here since 2019, 1 is in German so the title would be in German, too, and the other PV, MLB, has told me before, as have others, that if I fix something like this to just go ahead without contacting them because in almost every case my fix turns out to be correct. Thanks to Username for fixing this; you're welcome. --[[User:Username|Username]] 08:45, 18 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Wow. Thanks for the feedback. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 09:55, 18 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: As we discussed in the past, this information should be included in the submission. Moderators do not have the time to replicate this kind of in-depth research and there is no reason to force them to re-do something that you have already done. As the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/newpub.cgi?Anthology New Publication Web page] says in the "Source of Data" section, if the submitted data comes from "Other website, later printing/edition or another source", the source should be explained in the Publication Note field. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:32, 19 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Blue World type change ==<br />
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There are six PVs on this title, and only one of them was contacted regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5125135 changing this] from SHORTFICTION (novella) to NOVEL. Did you actually do a word count estimate? Your note didn't indicate that (rather stating only that it was "novel length in every edition it appears in". Please contact them and have them comment here. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:37, 20 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I only contacted 1 PV because they're the only active one, as I explained in my note to Taweiss where I said YOU'RE THE ONLY ACTIVE PV. Also, a word count is unnecessary because every edition on ISFDB has a page count for "Blue World" well above a novella as described on ISFDB's Wiki for what constitutes novella-length. It's probably just the usual where it was called a novella when originally entered and then copied without anyone actually noticing it's novel-length. Thanks for fixing this, Username. You're welcome. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:09, 20 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Keep in mind that using page count to estimate the word count depends greatly on the font size, margin size, page size, and other things. Additionally, the page counts are referring to the collection it appears in. I don't see any instance where ''Blue World'' has appeared all by itself in any volume. Our listings show only appearances in collections. And while the page counts for this story (ranging from about 133-199) seem to indicate it's likely over 40,000 words, until Taweiss responds, we don't have any way to know. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:26, 20 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Sorry for the delay. Traveling for work. With a length of 174 pages, and around 50K works, it's a novel. [[User:Taweiss|TAWeiss]] 08:58, 23 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::No worries. Thanks for chiming in. The submission has been approved. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:38, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Freebird? ==<br />
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What was the purpose of posting a link to [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiCZFhEpRDI this YouTube clip], which I have removed from the Community Portal? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 22:17, 31 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I see that you are back, creating submissions and responding on Talk pages. I have put your last batch of submissions on hold. Please answer the question above. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:00, 2 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: I'm not back; the Talk page I responded to was for a question I asked nearly 9 months ago which the PV, Chavey, finally answered by asking me for a link to the record I was asking about instead of just typing the title himself, so I provided him that link; the Shroud Magazine submissions were just a passing fancy while checking my recently approved edits and noticing that the contents of most Shroud issues are on Philsp.com, including 1 short story in the same issue as the essay I imported recently, which led me to import it (and changing the date to match) and then, as usual, going the extra mile by importing 3 Derek M. Fox essays I noticed were never imported, either (someone imported a 4th Fox essay years ago and varianted it because I became 1; I don't know if that's correct so someone else will have to decide about that). I'm not doing my usual dozens/100+ edits a day for the foreseeable future, but if I feel the need to add something here and there I will. The title of the YouTube clip explains itself. God Bless America, Impeach Biden, Trump 2024. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:09, 2 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks for the explanation. I have released the hold on the submissions.<br />
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::: Let me reiterate and clarify what I said [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Username#Fantlab on your Talk page back in April] and then again [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Anniemod#Gorey on Annie's Talk page on October 29]. The ISFDB is a strictly bibliographic project. Some of our contributors are from countries which were at war with each other not so long ago. We have contributors from across the ideological spectrum. If we were to allow politics on Wiki pages, the project would implode. For these reasons political statements are not allowed here. Please keep this in mind and act accordingly going forward. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:59, 2 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Buzzelli's [A] Gift of Evil ==<br />
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Hi Username -<br />
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Could you double check the title page of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?823891 this] publication. Both Reginald3 and Worldcat have the title as "A Gift of Evil". I'll be adding the external IDs for those two sources. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:47, 4 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Reginald also notes Roman numbered pages through xi, though Worldcat does not. If you could verify that as well, it would be appreciated. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:51, 4 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: It's Gift of Evil on front and back covers, title and copyright pages, and every left-hand page in the book; the Prologue starts on vii and ends on xi. --[[User:Username|Username]] 21:56, 4 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::I updated the page count. I also added a note about the discrepancy with the secondary sources which will hopefully prevent someone else from asking you the same question again. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:56, 5 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Screwup ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5147311 this submission]: The Internet Archive [https://archive.org/details/maddogsummerothe00joer/page/n9/mode/2up scan] of the hc anthology shows the title as "Screwup" (both on TOC and title page). Is there a specific version you believe is "Screw Up"? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:37, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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: The scan is of Lansdale's collection; the anthology is 'Til Death Do Us Part, which is on Google Books; I believe I provided a link in 1 of those edits, but I can't rightly recall 'cause it's been so long. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:47, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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::Your edit would change the collection and not the anthology. Your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5147310 prior edit], would create a new record for the anthology, but that cannot be edited until it is accepted. You were changing the original record which would remain the one for the collection. I have accepted the unmerge, rejected the title change, changed the new record for anthology, and varianted them together. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:06, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: Dude, that was a quality stream of info there. I'll take your word for it that everything's correct now, so thanks. Variants are my kryptonite. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:23, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Boy Scouts Year Book of Ghost and Mystery Stories ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5157750 this submission]: Thank you for finding this. For a number of the authors being changed, these were the only stories in the database for them and the author records had data. Due to how the software works, that would have resulted in the existing author records and their data being deleted and new ones created. To not loose the existing author data, I edited the author records instead. As I wasn't sure how this would impact your submission, I duplicated the changes in another edit vs. approving yours. Long winded way of saying, I had to reject your edit, but not because there was anything wrong - just an artifact of how the software handles author name changes. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:42, 25 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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: OK. EDIT: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1622565; I think that note isn't needed anymore since title was fixed; "Riddle of Bat Cove" gets no hits on Google while "Riddle of Bat Cave" gets a few hits; also this one: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1622555, where title was also fixed. EDIT: I just went ahead and did some cleaning up of notes, but whoever entered them had trouble keeping them uniform, with some including a name, a few including alternate names, some having no names, and eventually just getting tired of using the word "appeared". It was messy, but I think I cleaned up most of it; however, you may have to fix a few things in those stories where alternate names are entered; I noticed Whitfield's story had an empty record for Raoul, while Raoul F. was filled in. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:05, 25 November 2021 (EST)<br />
::Edits accepted. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:23, 26 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Psychic Fair ==<br />
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What are you trying to achieve with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5164235 this edit]? You are unmerging all the contents which would leave a blank record. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:02, 4 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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: George M. O'Har published the PB Psychic Fair and then many years later it was reprinted but he dropped the M. Whoever entered these new editions didn't variant them to his full name and 1 edition was in the same record as the original while the other was standalone. I varianted the standalone and I think that's OK, but I thought the edition merged with the original had to be unmerged first before varianting it. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:17, 4 December 2021 (EST)<br />
::In looking at it some more, the Vivisphere Publishing edition still under George M. O'Har was a duplicate (same ISBN, same format, same date, same price, etc.) of the other. I deleted it. We should be all good now, but let me know if I missed something. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:37, 4 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?162842; I had a similar situation with a stray on some other book recently and a couple of mods had to decide how to fix it; I guess you know if this one needs fixing, too. After that, I guess this is all done. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:41, 4 December 2021 (EST)<br />
::::{{A|George O'Har|162842}} needed to be made an alternate name of {{A|George M. O'Har|5046}}. Fixed. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:15, 5 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== When You Look Down to Find Yourself Going But Not Yet Gone ==<br />
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There were no notes included with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5189192 this submission] for changing the date. The publication is PVd by [[User talk:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]], too, and I don't see any indication this change was discussed. The submission is on hold until you discuss the change with the PV and provide a reason for the change. I'll keep an eye here for that. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:10, 6 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Because the book the poems were first published in, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?263421, which is mentioned 8 times in the link I provided, http://www.locusmag.com/index/yr2004/t20.htm#A380, when I imported them, has that date on ISFDB. Also, PV doesn't respond anymore; http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Mhhutchins. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:58, 6 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::Then please mention that. Just providing a link doesn't mean what's obvious to you will be obvious to anyone else. In this case, there are well over 100 poems listed at that link, so it's really not obvious what you are trying to do. If you make it easier for anyone working on approving your submissions, things will go much more quickly and smoothly. We shouldn't have to come pester you for information you could easily include in a moderator note.<br />
::As for Mhhutchins, yes, he no longer responds to posts on his talk page, but he suggests to either email him or post about major changes on the [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard|Moderator noticeboard]], neither of which you did (as far as I can tell). Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:31, 6 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Cover for Dime Novel Roundup ==<br />
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I'm holding your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5206557 submission] to add a cover scan to ''Dime Novel Roundup''. The image that you are entering is certainly the cover for the paperback edition. Do you have any source that the hardcover had a jacket with the same cover? While Open Library provides a link to the Internet Archive scan of the hardcover without a jacket, they do not specify which edition their record is for. I was aware of this image when I entered the record, but I couldn't find any image of the hardcover edition with a dust jacket. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:19, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: https://www.worldcat.org/title/dime-novel-roundup-annotated-index-1931-1981/oclc/9649579/editions?referer=di&editionsView=true; all editions with covers have the same one. I don't know if that's proof, but other Bowling Green publications on ISFDB have same covers for HC and TP. If not enough, cancel. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:52, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::Unfortunately, Worldcat frequently shows stock images that do not reflect the same edition as in the record. I actually think it is likely that the same image was used for the dust jacket, but without evidence we should probably leave the hardcover edition without a cover until one can be found. Amazon doesn't show a cover for the hardcover, nor does the copy available on ABE books. You could clone this pub and create a record for the paperback with the image. However since the Open Library record isn't specific to any edition, I wouldn't list it in either publication record. You could list it as a link in the title record though. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:37, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: You're right; problem is I stopped caring about any of this long ago and am only continuing to edit to pass the time in a productive way instead of far worse things I could be doing. I've tried to leave several times, as I've explained somewhere on these boards before, but circumstances keep getting in the way. My goal is to eventually stop regular editing and only add an occasional edit now and then to keep me from getting the dreaded "no longer active" designation. The way things are going in the world now, especially in America where I live, this whole silly internet thing may be a thing of the past soon, anyway. You still seem to care, so if you want to do any of the things you mentioned above, be my guest. --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:15, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Ian McKellen ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5209791 this submission]: Do you have a source for the author of the essay being the actor? Or are you just basing it on being the same name? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:57, 29 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: The image is Ian McKellen starring in the film Apt Pupil, based on the work by Stephen King. He played a former Nazi, thus the uniform. This, https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780753461075, mentions it's the guy who played Gandalf who wrote the intro. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:25, 29 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::Approved. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:33, 29 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Outlaws of the Moon ==<br />
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What is the source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5210829 this edit]? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:23, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: The other edition by this publisher has the same cover; http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3466. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:42, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::When using a secondary source to add information (especially for a verified pub), the source must be stated in the pub notes. I have accepted the edit & added the note. In the future, please add the note. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:05, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: The PV of the edition with no cover artist, Bluesman, hasn't been active for years, so it's not like I could contact him and say, "Hey, I'm importing a cover art credit into your book because you didn't bother to check the other covers on ISFDB and notice there's another edition with the same art as your PV'd copy"; I just checked, and Bluesman entered the American edition, too, so why he didn't know who did the cover for the Canadian edition is a mystery), and the cover art credit says the art is a variant of the Perry Rhodan art, so writing that in the notes seems redundant. But you must know best because you're a moderator. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:17, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::::Documenting secondary sources in pub notes is required per our rules. If you believe a varianted cover art record is sufficient documentation, you are welcome to start a [[Rules and standards discussions]] to change the current rules. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:25, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::::: Done. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:33, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Bus ==<br />
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Hello. Concerning [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5213606 your submissoin]. For non-fiction collections that are wholly non-fiction, we tend to record these as NONFICTION, and not as COLLECTION if I am not mistaken. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Publication_Type Title Type] rules that says, ''This type should be used for books that are predominantly or completely non-fiction'', and ''A publication that contains both non-fiction and fiction should be typed by that which is predominant.'' You may want to ask a 2nd opinion though. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:52, 2 February 2022 (EST)<br />
: The collection and anthology types require fiction; a non-fiction book is recorded as NONFICTION in the DB regardless if it is one complete text or a collection/anthology of essays and/or reviews and/or interviews (the difference can be noted in the Title notes and for the ones which contain smaller independent pieces, the contents is appreciated if someone wants to type the titles/authors). We also record all art books as NONFICTION (then the contents will be INTERIORART); a collection/anthology of cartoons (if eligible at all) will also be NONFICTION. This specific one is not eligible IMO - the author is not above treshold, the magazine where they were published is not genre (so we cannot even claim that it is a collection of art we already have in the DB (even though that is not technically a reason for a book to be eligible either) so it falls under the "comics, manga and so on" exclusion... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:22, 2 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Per above, I rejected your submission, and deleted the publication record. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 07:14, 6 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Tomorrow Log ==<br />
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What is your source for the inclusion of the essay [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5197607 here]? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:51, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Cover for ''The Devil Takes a Holiday'' ==<br />
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I have put [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5216618 this submission], which would change a "sf-encyclopedia.uk" URL to a "x.sf-encyclopedia.com" URL, on hold. As I mentioned earlier, "x.sf-encyclopedia.com" are new and we need guidance from SFE before we can decide what to do with them. It's possible that SFE is in the midst of migrating all of their image URLs as part of a move to "sf-encyclopedia.com". If that is the case, then we may need to change all of our SFE URLs programmatically rather than hunting them done one at a time.<br />
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I have asked their Web admin about this issue and hope to hear from him tomorrow morning. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 21:53, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: The software behind yellow warnings has been updated. As before, only links to /clute/, /langford/ and /robinson/ sub-directories are allowed for both sf-encyclopedia.com and sf-encyclopedia.uk. All of their URLs require the currently used "|" syntax. I have removed the hold from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5216618 your submission]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:48, 5 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The First Americans: Beyond the Sea of Ice ==<br />
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What is the source of the date you added [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5215870 here]. No notes or other information was included with the submission. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:54, 8 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: 1987 first edition on ISFDB has that exact date; this, https://archive.org/details/beyondseaofice00sara, the twentieth printing or so, still has the same 1987 cover art copyright. They used the same art over and over again. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:18, 8 February 2022 (EST)<br />
::Okay, thanks. In the future, if you put that information in the moderator note, that will speed things up. Approved! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:32, 8 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Gray Matter ==<br />
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I'm holding your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5230813 submission] to change the story Gray Matter into an excerpt. Both FictionMags and Locus1 indicate that it is a story. What is your evidence that it was an excerpt from the authors subsequent novel? Is it possible that the story was later expanded into a novel? If the latter, it should probably remain as a story. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:37, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/stories/graymatter.htm. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:39, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Magazine Serials ==<br />
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I approved your edits to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?957962 Medusa's Head]'' earlier today. However, I removed the links to the scans of the original magazine serials. They really didn't belong in the Appleton publication record as they refer to a different publication of the novel. For example, we don't link to the scans of Burroughs' serializations of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?21883 A Princess of Mars]'' in any of its book publications. It would have been OK to add them to the title record. However, a better solution is to add the three issues of Harper's as non-genre magazines and link to the individual scans there. I've done this adding each scan to the appropriate issue. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:28, 18 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Neil deGrasse Tyson ==<br />
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Hi. Just wanted to let you know that there's a bit more involved than changing the author's name as you've submitted [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5237803 here]. Since De Grasse had been chosen as canonical author name, but there are only publications with deGrasse, the canonical name needs to be switched to deGrasse. To do that, the deGrasse titles need to be unvarianted from their De Grasse parent title, parent title is to be deleted, which results in the deGrasse titles being left. Then variant the Portuguese title to the English original (and I've also updated the deGrasse author record with the information available from the De Grasse record), and we're all set. Not sure if this is the most efficient way, but it got it done. See [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?276399 here] - have a look and let me know this is the result you intended. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 12:56, 1 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: OK. Honestly I've done so many edits since this one I forgot I did it, but since your explanation was complicated and over my head I'm sure it's correct. At least my feeble attempt spurred someone else to do it right. --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:04, 1 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Audrey's Private Haunts ==<br />
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I've put [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5258099 this edit] on hold. Please contact the [[User talk:Chavey|Chavey]] and have him check the title page for that story which is not shown in the Fantlab scans. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:55, 11 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== First Channel ==<br />
[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5254672 This submission] has been placed on hold as I cannot see where you've asked the two active PVs ([[User talk:Chavey|Chavey]] and [[User talk:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]]) to verify the publisher name change you want to do. Please invite them to comment here to verify this change. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:32, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Like the Hodgson book below, I barely remember this, but I think I changed it because of the note editor left that says PLAYBOY PAPERBACKS. Also, https://www.ebay.com/itm/233000922106, which says the same on spine and copyright/title pages. I'm tired of contacting people who never respond or respond after a really long time or after they've been in and out of the hospital multiple times, which seems to be a situation shared by many of the mods. I think Chavey was gone for a long time and when he came back and responded to something I wrote him he was unpleasant and it didn't go well. I don't remember anything about the other guy, but I really have lost interest. You can accept the proof in the eBay link or contact them yourself or cancel it, I don't care. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:14, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::Seriously, let's try to work together here. You get all offended every time someone asks questions about one of your edits. The vast majority of the time, you're simply misinterpreting the text interactions here as someone being unpleasant to you. We're all trying to work to improve the site, so please start giving others the benefit of the doubt. As for the ebay link, if you had included that in your submission, I wouldn't have asked you about it. As it is, your note to the moderators was "OL ID, fixed publisher". Next time, please include your sources. It makes things go much more smoothly and quickly. Thank you for your future cooperation on this. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:40, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: I don't think I was offended; to be offended I'd have to care. I was merely expressing how hard it is to remember 1 of these edits when I've done hundreds since then. I don't think I even saw that eBay link until a few minutes ago because it was obvious from the logo on the cover and especially the editor's note where they actually said who the publisher is. Your message prompted me to find it, so thanks. Actually, in recent days if a mod has a problem with 1 of my edits I just cancel it rather than bother trying to remember anything, since there's a hundred other edits I could be doing; I'm not sure why I didn't do that in your case; guess I forgot. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:51, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Just a correction; while doing some edits this morning I came across something that jogged my memory; it was Mhhutchins, not Chavey, who was gone for a long time and then was unpleasant to me when he came back. I've spoken to Chavey a few times, judging by a search for my name on his board, and while a little snippy with his answers sometimes has certainly never given me a problem. --[[User:Username|Username]] 08:10, 20 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Horrors from Haunted Seas ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5262432 This submission] has been placed on hold because you didn't include any explanation for your edits. You're changing page count without any stated reason, you removed a link to Archive.org which appears to be a valid link. You also removed part of the note which explained the subtitle only appeared on the cover; the Archive.org link you removed seems to support that note. When you make changes like that, you should always include an explanation for your changes. Please provide the explanations here. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:55, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I don't know; I've done so many edits since this one. I know prior editor entered partial contents years ago and I entered the rest recently, then after it was approved I noticed the page count in the Archive book didn't match ISFDB's so I changed it with a note about differing page counts on different Amazon pages, because prior editor got their info back in 2012 from Amazon which came from 1 of those pages with the wrong page count. I'll just cancel this edit; I barely have any interest anymore to enter new edits, much less go back and try figuring out what went wrong with old ones; what likely happened is I entered the new edit while others were being approved and some info got swallowed up/corrupted, which has happened before. Maybe I'll try to figure out what went wrong and enter a new edit. EDIT: I cancelled old edit and entered a new one. Who knows if everything is right now; it's all so confusing. I wonder now how many of my other edits may have been screwed up after entering them and nobody noticed, sitting there with missing/wrong info. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:36, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::The new one has been approved. Thanks for submitting the updated edit. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:43, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Eric Linklater Stories ==<br />
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What are the sources for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5269320 this] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5269390 this]? In both cases, the pub notes state "Only stories reviewed in Bleiler, below, have been listed". With your edits, those notes would not longer be valid. When you make a change to a pub that invalidates the pub notes, you need to also change the pub notes. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:17, 27 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== A Little Green Book of Monster Stories ==<br />
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I have placed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5267552 this submission] on hold. I can see that you included this in part of [[User talk:Ofearna#Crossroads|your message]] to Ofearna, but this one has a different publisher (Macabre Ink) that is not mentioned in your discussion. Since you didn't include any useful notes (just "fixed pub."), and your discussion with Ofearna doesn't discuss this specific change from Macabre Ink to Crossroad Press, I don't know why you are changing this one. Please clarify. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:49, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: This has been sitting on my edit list for a very long time; I've done a thousand edits since then. I remember that several books entered as by Crossroads were actually by Crossroad, so I fixed those; I must have had a reason to change this one, too, but can't remember anymore, so cancel if you want to. Also, I just changed the other Leodhas collection to an omnibus, but there's a stray Gaelic Ghosts; I don't know if that gets cleaned up or has to be done manually or what. You or someone else may want to look at Leodhas' record after that edit is approved to make sure everything is OK now. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:04, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
::You really don't need to respond with how you've done a bazillion edits since submitting this (or any other) edit practically any time someone asks you about a specific submission. We all know you're amazing. I'll go ahead and decline this one since you have provided no valid reason for it. If you remember the reason for this one in the future, we can always undecline it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:12, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Hey Joe, if you're having a bad day that's your problem; don't cop an attitude with me. The reason I mention how many edits I've done is because when someone like you asks me to remember a minor fix like this one it's tough because I've done so many minor and major edits since then remembering something like this isn't easy; if I were like many other editors here who barely contribute or only concentrate on one specific area then I'm sure it's easy to remember, but someone like me who makes edits for countless different areas can't be expected to remember something from weeks ago when one of you finally gets around to approving it. It only stands to reason that in the enormous amount of edits I do every week a few will be dropped here and there; I don't really expect every single one to be approved. Rather than waste my time you and the other mods should be finding out why ISFDB is so slow, both on my laptop and at my local library; maybe those robots that Ahasuerus was talking about recently somewhere that were screwing with the site and making thousands of illegal pings still need fixing. As I've mentioned several times recently, I've been planning to leave here for months but personal/world issues keep getting in the way; if the huge number of edits I still do every week is any indication, imagine how much more I could do if I actually cared anymore. P.S. And yes, I am amazing. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:27, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
::::Quality over quantity, pal. --[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 04:04, 26 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::::Rosab618: Your comment is not helpful. Please refrain from making unproductive comments such as this. Thank you. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:06, 26 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The National Review Treasury of Classic Children's Literature ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5288958 this submission]: I'm in process of updating this record (adding the interior art, etc.) based on the second printing and then I will clone a new record for the second printing. I'm probably won't be able to finish until later today so may look incomplete for awhile. Letting you know in case you come back to it so we don't step over each other. I will also enter Volume 2 that Internet Archive has. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:48, 10 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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OK. For such a major anthology the info online is a mess, but there apparently was a Volume 2, https://www.worldcat.org/title/national-review-treasury-of-classic-childrens-literature/oclc/56722009, which they didn't separate properly on WorldCat; the contents for V. 2 start after "The brownies' good work". --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:07, 10 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Fantômas ==<br />
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Two notes on your edit to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?398181 Fantômas]''. The listed LCCN number is legitimate. If you click through, you'll see it returns the correct record. The price as "35 cent." is given in centimes, which is 1/100th of a franc. I've updated the price accordingly. We use francs just as we use dollars for US price given in cents. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:32, 11 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Mountains and Madness ==<br />
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I'm curious to know why you replaced the cover image of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18555] with an arguably worse one than that one I scanned and uploaded to ISFDB. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 18:42, 14 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I saw discussion about this book and discovered the title was different inside the book, so I added note about that, and fixed incorrect date some editor made in the note about the cover art; I suppose, when I found the copy on Open Library, I replaced the cover because that's the copy I got the info from, plus the colors are sharper and likely closer to what the physical book cover would have looked like; but it doesn't really matter, so I just went to the Wiki and replaced OL cover with yours again, so it'll be approved soon. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:15, 14 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Just a Suggestion ==<br />
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When documenting a source, considerer simplifying the audit trail. Look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?219201 Seeing Red] for example. Your note requires knowledge of the internet archive, accessing it, then navigating to the proper page. A link in the webpages can takes the user directly to the information. I'll leave it to you to decide if the note is still necessary. You add a great deal of information, a good audit trail does not require you to remember specific edits. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:24, 30 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Deadliest of the Species ==<br />
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I have put this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5305517 submission] on hold temporarily. You need to contact [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Nowickj Nowickj] and ascertain that his publication is the first edition. If it is not, then you should clone and create one. Either way, consider making 'Vox13' the publisher. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:07, 1 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Cancelled and redone with just OL ID. --[[User:Username|Username]] 21:15, 1 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Approved, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:38, 1 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Nail in the Coffin ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5303417 Source] please. I'm not doubting the validity of your information. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 23:00, 3 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: It's from the Fall 2003 Speculative Literature Issue of Descant, http://www.locusmag.com/index/yr2003/t71.htm#A3356, which contains nearly 30 stories, most not on ISFDB, plus many essays. I'm not adding a note for this story because that issue should be entered on ISFDB, and there's already way too many notes on ISFDB where editors said where the story first appeared when the publication they first appeared in is right there on the page. I used to delete those, hundreds probably, until a certain moderator complained about it, so I don't do that anymore. If you want to enter that huge issue, be my guest. If not, just cancel my edit. EDIT: I just realized I did add a note, just not where info came from. Ah, forget it. I'll just cancel it; if anyone ever enters that issue they'll know where it came from. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:30, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: No need to cancel it, I think the statement 'first published' requires a source. We often see where a story was 'previously published', that doesn't necessarily mean it was the first publication. A fine point to be sure.[[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:09, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?956885 This] is what I had in mind. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:21, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: This notion where a story first appeared was established because this whole thing started not with the first publications (and that you are informed about the notes upon merging titles is a not so very old feature). Hope thatr explains why these do still crop up en masse. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:47, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:I've entered the issue [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?897388 here]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:04, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Jay Lake story has August note, if you trust that as right month. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:13, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::Updated. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:29, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Strange Pleasures 2 ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5308028 Your submission].<br />
According to the supplied OL link & Amazon.com. The correct publication date is 2003-05-01. Change the publication date not the title date. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:42, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I cancelled it and made new edit with just OL ID and replaced cover image; there's no month in the book and no note about where PV, Prof. beard, got it from, or whoever entered it, but since some of the story dates are August the book obviously wasn't published in May; also August here, http://www.locusmag.com/index/yr2003/t20.htm#A951. But if you want to find him and ask him go ahead, or discuss it on the message boards. Also, me and the person who PV'd this, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?19457, submitted edits around the same time; you rejected my updating of the date because they'd already done it, but somehow both our cover artist were entered, so you'll have to decide which one can be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:08, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: The pub was originally entered correctly by BLongley 2008-12-26. Subsequently the title date was changed. (probably because Amazon shows that date). When Prof beard PV'd the pub, I doubt he even noticed the title date. Regardless, I approved your new submission and added a pub note referencing Locus. Daughter of Darkness is also taken care of. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:48, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Yellow Sign'' introduction date ==<br />
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This [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5312068 submission] proposes to assign the introduction a date of September 2000, but the publication in which it first appeared is dated July 2000. That dating was done after your submission, and from the pub notes, it appears to be correct. Your submission does not include a source for the September date. I think the current July 2000 date is appropriate and am going to reject the submission, but please review and submit something else if you think July is wrong. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:53, 14 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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I submitted an earlier edit for this book which was approved, and then this one to change the intro to September because it didn't have a month; month entered by earlier editor was wrong, it clearly says July in the Archive copy, so where they got September from is unknown, but whoever worked on this book after me obviously caught the right date on the copyright page. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:17, 14 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== MacGregor[h] in ''Stories from the Near-Future'' ==<br />
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In this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5313022 submission], where did you find the credit as "MacGregor"? The Look Inside TOC shows it as "MacGregorh". Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:05, 15 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: MacGregor on copyright page and search says same on p. 43. --[[User:Username|Username]] 12:09, 15 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Many Deaths of Cole Parker ==<br />
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Was the story length [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3039653 here] from the note on the author's website, or some other source? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:19, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: That bookscxyz site I mentioned somewhere here recently has a downloadable .epub and when I printed it out it ran like 130-something pages, or checking the Google Books copy would probably run the same count, but if he mentioned it on his site, too, great. It might even be a short novel, if anyone ever cares to do a word count of the print edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:18, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Adding partial contents ==<br />
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: You didn't mention which book you're referring to, and honestly hardly anyone ever follows up any edits I do, so I'm basically working solo here; I usually complete my own incomplete entries eventually. --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:21, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: I didn't mention the publiscation ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?391878 Beach Blanket Zombie: Weird Tales of the Undead & Other Humanoid Horrors]), because I went ahead and added the template. I was just reminding you for future reference. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 22:35, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Long Last Call ==<br />
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Take a second look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5322340 this submission]. Do we really have 2 novels in this one publication? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:34, 28 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: As with many later Leisure books, they added bonus short stories or novellas to the main novel, and in this case while it mentions the bonus novella "Conscience" at the bottom of the cover, ISFDB classifies it as a novel because of page length or whatever the criteria is, so yes, it's 2 novels, with 1 being much shorter than the other. EDIT: Instead of creating new topics I'm just going to mention these here: the Amok cover you rejected because ISFDB doesn't credit designers as cover artists, which I certainly know, doesn't fit with the fact that 3 other Amok editions have that person credited as cover artist, so I assume, as in many cases, the designer also did the artwork. Regardless, it makes no sense to have 1 edition with no cover artist but 3 others with the same cover with a credited cover artist, so it would make more sense to approve my edit or remove the cover credit from the other 3. Also, as with many small-press collections such as Stuart Young's Spare Parts, they include stories from obscure publications not on ISFDB, in this case very many, so I detailed those stories' histories on the main title page of the collection. There's no reason to include the same info for those individual stories in their separate records, and something also went wrong with one of your entries because the edit/edit history buttons are next to the story title instead of all the way on the right. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:43, 28 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks for alerting me to the problem with 'Face at the Window'. Apparently an angle bracket got inserted into the title, fixed now. Notes regarding a story's publishing history belong in the story title, not a publication title. If I had any reason to look at the publication title record, I would have told you to move them rather than doing it myself. While these stories haven't been nor may never appear in another publication, the notes still belong on the individual titles. My rejection of the Amok cover based on the current PV's note is correct. I have reached out to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Boskar Boskar] for confirmation before removing the credit from the other three. Ultimately, all will be handled the same. Interestingly, Boskar initially entered the earliest printing, [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Stonecreek Stonecreek] edited it and then cloned the other two publications. Focus the 'Username radar' and help me find a word count for 'Conscience'. Thanks [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:00, 28 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Santraí ==<br />
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Re: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5326383 This submission]. Why variant/ If they are identical, merge. Perhaps I'm missing something. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:41, 1 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Seat of Inspiration ==<br />
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Re: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5326387 This submission]. If you look at the copyright page of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?899761 Eros Interruptus] it credits the earlier printing in 'The Urbanite, #6' as 'Seat of Inspiration'. I think 'Seat of Inspirations' is a typo. Cancel your variant, submit a merge with the above reason in note to mod. post here that it is submitted and I'll approve it. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:52, 1 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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On closer inspection, looks like you entered the contents for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?61657 The Urbanite, #6]. If it wasn't a typo, tell me and I'll approve the variant. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 07:05, 2 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Is it a data entry typo or not? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:18, 3 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: I don't think I entered the contents, just the page #'s. Cacek's story titles are a mess, so unless someone can see a copy of that Urbanite issue it's hard to tell what the title was there, so I guess this should be cancelled until someone can verify and merge or variant as needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:24, 3 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Since we aren't sure, the safest course is to variant. We can always merge if a copy surfaces. Your submission is approved. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:37, 3 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Currency Symbols ==<br />
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In the future, please use the correct currency symbols; even in notes like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5328557 this one]. Thanks [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:48, 4 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I enter additional prices in Notes exactly the way they appear in/on the book, whether that's full or abbreviated country name or currency. If a book actually had an A, C, etc. in front of the price I'd enter it that way, but most don't. The idea is to enter info as it appears originally, not the way we feel it should look like. It's pointless to enter a C in front of a Canadian price when the word Canada precedes it; of course, if I enter a main price in the price field then it needs an A, C, etc. in front of it because those prices are displayed when searching; notes don't show unless someone goes to the specific record for the publication itself. If you like entering those letters in notes, to each their own. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:58, 4 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: If you want to change our policy, feel free to start a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions Rules and standards discussion]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:18, 4 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::This is one of the few cases where we standardize things. Please use the symbols and abbreviations as noted [[Help:List of currency symbols|here]], both in the currency field and in notes. Thank you! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:59, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Coal Black ==<br />
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Hi. Why'd you add the image [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5337624 here]? Isn't it the same one that was already there? --[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 15:17, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I see your 2 edits in the history and my edit uploading the cover to the Wiki because there's no image on ISFDB-linked sites; the Wiki only has my name as the uploader, but there's been several times recently where I uploaded a new, better cover to replace an old one and it didn't do that because the URL of the image was slightly different than the old URL, and a mod needed to fix everything to make the image go to the right page so it will show up on the book's record. If you uploaded an image it might be on another Wiki page, if that's what you're talking about. The wait times have been getting longer lately for approvals, so there's a lot of cross-editing where an editor enters something and by the time it's approved a self-mod or mod has already entered it themselves. The image is there in the record, so it seems to be OK. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:33, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
::On the 9th, I added to the record the image you uploaded. (Where did you find it, by the way?) I didn't upload one myself.<br />
::You don't see the image on the Wiki? That's strange. It's there.--[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 15:46, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Now that you mention it, I recall that after you asked me where I found it a few days ago (I think it came from here, http://www.alephbet.com/pdf/cat101-web.pdf; searching Google Images for the title and author's last name brings the image up, which is the only one I saw online that looked good, unlike the AbeBooks and Amazon ones), I noticed you made a couple of edits or something similar and I wondered what that was about. The Wiki has my name and a June 9 date, so I think it's that cross-editing thing I mentioned where you approved your edit adding my image from the Wiki to the record and then my edit doing the same was approved. The cover image is there, anyway, so I don't think anything else needs to be done, except adding OCLC ID, 2468107, which you should do since you can approve it. Price is missing, but unless someone finds a copy that will remain empty. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:02, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: There's actually a searchable Google Books copy, and by searching for author's name it showed the back cover which mentioned his place of birth and by searching for "seven dudes" it showed the title on the flap with the price next to it. So I've entered 2 edits for those, and I think everything that can be done for this book has been done now. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:20, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Rubicon Beach ==<br />
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I've placed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5337954 this submission] on hold as you haven't followed PV procedures. The only thing that concerns me is the change in price. As the 2 and 7 are not near each other anywhere on the keyboard, it's unlikely it was a typo on the part of the PV, so we need to have them make sure that's the price in their copy. Since this editor hasn't done anything for about a year, please post on the [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard]] so the change can be discussed. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:55, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Across Paris and Other Stories ==<br />
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I approved your changes, but I question whether [https://img.fantasticfiction.com/images/c0/c1075.jpg this image] is better than the [https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81jw+QokP8L.jpg previous image]. What do you think? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:09, 17 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I did notice the same thing you did, so it wouldn't bother me if someone reverted or found an even better one; it's not like it's a rare book with a very hard-to-find cover. EDIT: I see now that I added the cover from Fantastic Fiction; 1 OL link has no cover and the other has a bright image but with a sticker on it. So if you're going to replace it you'll have to go to some other site, assuming you're not just going to revert to the old one. What's funny, though, is that the OL page with the stickered cover links to an Archive copy with no jacket while the OL page with no cover links to an Archive copy with the stickered cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:32, 17 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Fantasyworld ==<br />
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I approved your submission for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13194 Fantasyworld], but I removed the cover art credit since it was just a photo. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:41, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Dude, I don't know what happened here, but the Michael Trevillion Fantasyworld credit has no book under it and this, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5341881, shows I entered the artist's name where it's supposed to be; a few minutes ago the FantLab link was just that, but now that I checked again his picture is there. So I don't know what's up but I entered everything properly as far as I can tell; I don't know what happened after that. --[[User:Username|Username]] 18:46, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: The empty title record has been deleted. The problem isn't how you entered it, but that it is merely a photo and we do not give cover art credit for a photo. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:41, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== ''An Exercise for Madmen'' ==<br />
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I hope the title isn't a commentary on ISFDB activity.... For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5340813 this submission], did you mean to remove the Open Library link or only add the WorldCat link? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:26, 20 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: My previous edit adding OL ID, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5340686, was approved recently but I made another one adding WorldCat ID and, because ISFDB has a problem with multiple entries, the 2nd edit thought I wanted to replace the 1st ID with another one instead of putting it in the next ID field. This has happened many times and I'm sure some info I've entered has been lost because later entries screw up previous ones. Mods or self-mods can approve their edits and then do additional edits but people like me have to wait, sometimes for a long time, for edits to be approved and I don't always remember that I made an edit for a book earlier that hasn't been approved yet. Someone should look into updating the software or whatever so people can make several edits for the same book and have new info added instead of replacing the old info. So yes, both ID should be there. --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:37, 20 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::OK, thanks. I accepted it and restored the OL ID. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 22:25, 20 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Mulengro: A Romany Tale ==<br />
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I approved the edit, but what is page number 'fp' in this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?193329 publication]? This is not one of the <i>Special designations</i>. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:39, 26 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I asked about this on Moderator board, so we'll see what they think. Also, you made an edit after mine, "added link because the link in the previous edit note to moderator was the wrong jpg". It wasn't really the wrong one; I added Gorman's intro and Sproule's frontispiece and the photo shows both of those, so that's why I added it in note to mod. --[[User:Username|Username]] 12:47, 26 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: When I followed your link it only showed the frontispiece and the title page. I added the link to the scan of the limitation page to support your note. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:55, 26 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Poe's Lighthouse ==<br />
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Please doublecheck the OL number in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5347679 this submission]. Are you sure it shouldn't be OL8825435M ? Thanks. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:05, 28 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I don't think so. The OL I added links to an archived copy; ISBN is the same on copyright page, price is the same on front flap, etc. Your OL leads to a record which has no Archive link. I provide OL ID because I don't like linking directly to Archive.org as much (most?) of the non-public domain material isn't really supposed to be there. I do rarely link to a non-archived OL record if there's something on it unusual, but that's not the case here. --[[User:Username|Username]] 23:16, 28 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== UK prices during decimalization ==<br />
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I'm approving [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5347842 your edit] to ''Hands of the Ripper''. However, as mentioned [[User talk:Username#British Books with two prices|above]] that during the period of decimalization, the price field should reflect the pre-decimal (shillings and pence) price. I'll correct your edit accordingly. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:15, 29 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: OK, but the thing is that there are 21 Sphere books from 1971 here, 19 of which have prices, and only 5 of those have the old prices. So other editors weren't sure how to enter them, either. I'll see if I can fix any of them; maybe you can, too, if you wish. EDIT: I remembered this related topic, http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Pre_and_Post_decimal_UK_prices, where others seemed to suggest the opposite was correct. EDIT: I switched old price from note to price field for Pan's 1969 Moon Zero Two after coming across it randomly. I have a feeling there are thousands of others that would need the same. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:25, 29 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Rakefire and Other Stories ==<br />
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Will you add a note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?784806 Rakefire and Other Stories] stating the source of the content? I was able to confirm it but I don't know that you used the same source as I did. Ping here when you submit it and I will immediately approve it. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:40, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: There's already a note about data from Amazon and all the story titles and info about each story are there. This looks like a Fixer entry so I wouldn't expect a robot to notice that. If you want to specifically say where they came from you can do that; I don't know if the rule is to credit the reviewer by name, although he seems to have published the same exact lengthy review all over the web. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:46, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: I see the review now. Honestly, it never would have occurred to me to look there, I never trust anything people post in those. In this case it is correct. I might tweak the note a bit. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:16, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Two Poems from Star*Line, May-June 1990 ==<br />
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I'm holding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5350644 this submission] & [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5350651 this submission] until you get agreement from [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Hkauderer Hkauderer]. I see your link for one of the submissions. Be patient, he stops by and will answer. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:21, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I don't know what he'd need to agree to, since the link I provided for the first poem shows the part I deleted was a dedication, not part of the poem's title, while the other poem I didn't include a link for is available at several places online as part of a sequence of poems and also clearly shows the deleted part is a dedication and not part of the title, but if you want to wait for him to say it was a mistake, OK. --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:36, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: You are making changes to a verified publication. This verifier is quite familiar with speculative poetry. Obviously, he felt the dedications were part of the titles. It is up to you to reach agreement for any changes. If you don't care to communicate with him, let me know. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 22:01, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: If you say he's familiar, OK. I'll wait; if he agrees, fine, if not, I'll just cancel my edits. --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:20, 2 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Author Birthplace ==<br />
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When entering an author's birthplace, please follow [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:AuthorFields:BirthPlace these guidelines]. I added UK [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?328935 here]. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:49, 5 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Summer Meadows ==<br />
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I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5354028 this submission] on hold. The only edition of 'The Summer Meadows' on Google Books is the paperback. That's where I see the $5.95 price using search inside. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:30, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: https://books.google.com/books?id=UHxBAAAAIAAJ; I searched for 5.95 and it shows the price. All the early-mid 70's Delacorte books on ISFDB have HC prices the same or slightly lower or higher. Using advanced search here I found no Delacorte PB and the first TP is 1987. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:47, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: https://www.google.com/books/edition/_/UHxBAAAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0; I'm looking at the record you reference, the format says paperback. Do you want me to ask another mod for a second opinion? I'm not offended. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:14, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Click the link I provided; it takes you to a page with a search box under the book's title page. Enter 5.95, and you should see $5.95 in the results, clearly on a book flap. It's a hardcover; As I said above, Delacorte published no paperbacks according to my search on ISFDB, and the first trade paperback was not until 1987. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:22, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: You totally ignore what I say, just repeat your previous statement. The only difference between what we are looking at is you are using google classic view and I'm looking at the new view which gives the book details. The new view does have the hc ISBN (044008444X), but format says Paperback. A contradiction. I have released the hold. Another mod can review it. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:43, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: I keep repeating what I said before because you're not getting what I'm saying. Delacorte, the publisher of The Summer Meadows, published zero paperbacks, or at least there are none on ISFDB. If you check Delacorte books on ISFDB you will see that all books published around the same date as this book are all hardcovers and all have the same price as this book or a little lower or higher depending on the page count or inflation or whatever. If there was a paperback edition of this book it would have a much lower price than $5.95, because mass-market paperbacks usually didn't cost nearly that much back then. And if the Google copy was a paperback then the price wouldn't be on a flap, it would be on the front or back cover like most paperbacks. Just because Google Books is confused doesn't make a difference; they're a huge mess just like every other book-related website, and have tons of wrong info. And the page I saw when I clicked your link looks completely different than the one I linked, and it says paperback on it, which mine doesn't, so I don't know what exactly you're looking at; maybe if you look at this, https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=%22the+summer+meadows%22, you'll find the same page I did. I'll mention this on the community board so this can be resolved quickly instead of waiting around for someone to get to it. --[[User:Username|Username]] 16:59, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Requested report ==<br />
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You asked if there is a way to find the publications which have 'fp' in the page field. [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Ahasuerus Ahasuerus] has modified the cleanup report [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?287 Publications with Invalid Page Numbers] to accomplish this for you. The report will be available tomorrow morning. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:08, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Unreals ==<br />
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I see you changed the format from tp to hc for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?478332 The Unreals]. I saw your note quoting the statement from the book. How do you explain Open Library, Google Books and Amazon all calling this a paperback? Also. here are two sale listings [https://www.ebay.com/itm/185393521738?chn=ps&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&amdata=enc%3A1mrjO3bUxRxePYbhCuSW-yA20&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-213727-13078-0&mkcid=2&itemid=185393521738&targetid=4581046489808873&device=c&mktype=&googleloc=&poi=&campaignid=418640322&mkgroupid=1239149842233245&rlsatarget=pla-4581046489808873&abcId=9300602&merchantid=51291&msclkid=77a6ba70a29e1f86e16cd8a01b0aa24e ebay] and [https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/the-unreals_donald-jeffries/1355990/?resultid=6265ae6a-69c8-40fd-998c-523871d7abc7#edition=5550403&idiq=33525694 thriftbooks] which both state the format is paperback. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:07, 14 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I don't see your name in the edit history, so I'm not sure why you're so upset, but we here at ISFDB go by what the book says, and it says "hardcover". If anyone ever gets their hands on a physical copy with that ISBN and it turns out to really be a trade paperback it can always have the format changed back with a note saying the publisher made a mistake in their own book; it would hardly be the first time that's happened. Nothing online or in reference books is gospel; I've fixed countless mistakes that came from every one of those sources you mentioned. --[[User:Username|Username]] 21:13, 14 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Whether I'm on the edit history or not is irrelevant. Also, I'm hardly upset. I merely question the change. Do you really think it likely that both the sellers are also mistaken about the format? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:22, 14 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: It's relevant because you didn't enter the format as TP, someone else did; if you were a PV then you'd know for sure if it's a TP. Also, I've seen many, many auctions where the seller just copied info from online but the photos of the book showed something different. As I said, the only way to verify this is finding a physical copy, and if it's really a TP reverting the format and adding an appropriate note. Then the question will be if there's a HC edition out there somewhere, or if the publisher scrapped plans to release one but forgot to change their copyright page. --[[User:Username|Username]] 07:28, 15 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Internet Archive services ==<br />
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Hi, Concerning your latest note [[User talk:Pwendt#Doll Who Came Alive]], and the preceding, and some other 2022 contributions here at ISFDB Wiki, let me ask a general question: How do you use Archive.org for viewing protected content in "recent" books? Is it an institutional privilege (<s>such as I may have here, sitting inside a major university library building, a novelty for me in the last 30 months</s><font color=green>not this institution</font>)? <br />
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Or do you use this service which is available to everyone, or everyone in the USA or somewhere, with a "free account"?<br />
: | Log In and Borrow v | Renewable every hour, pending availability | (i)<br />
I suppose it is this widely available free service that you have in mind, for ISFDB users who will make use of the "archive.org" publication webpage to view or even print illustrations. Right?<br />
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Or something else (although the one hour will be adequate for many ISFDB data gathering purposes)?<br />
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For books with protected content I have used only the "Limited preview // Some pages are omitted." In my experience that shows several opening leaves only. Even the back and back inside bookcover or dustjacket is omitted. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:07, 28 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Yes, there's a blue "borrow for 1 hour" button after you sign up which lets you view the entire book, and, if nobody else has it borrowed, you can keep clicking that button in case you need more than an hour. In this case, there's a weird black cover when you search for the book, but as soon as you turn to the first page the real cover is revealed, which doesn't look like the one already on ISFDB, even though the publisher is the same. I tend to stay away from these kids' books because they reprinted many of them so often it's hard to tell which edition is which, but you seem to have done some research judging by your notes, so I thought it would help in fixing some of it or adding more. Looking at it, the first thing I notice is that the page count is actually 76, not 75, because the last page of the story is unnumbered, so that's 1 thing to start with. I also see that the NY Times review of the 1942 edition cost $2, while this Archive edition has a $2.75 price, so it's not the original but probably not the 1972 edition on ISFDB because books cost more by that point. It's also an ex-library edition, and the first date stamped on the card at the back is '55, so that should help in narrowing down the date. --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:23, 28 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks for your notes on ''The Doll'' which I will consider later. I do have good access to historical newspapers and magazines, in my air-conditioned university library station --where I sit today but I have barely visited in 30 months.<br />
::: Back to the technical matter. Last hour I enrolled at Archive.org using email address and password and I borrowed ''The Eerie Book'' 1981 edition P{{p|487344}} for one hour. Today unable to give it much time, after one hour I did learn [a] what happens when/as time expires. <br />
::: [b] What do you make of this, at ''The Eerie Book'' 1981? Upon borrowing I learn there are 224 images, presumably 1 to 224 ... Now I visit what appears to be the back inside jacket flap, as "218 of 219"! Flip the page and see image "224" and last! That one doesn't look as I expect from the back bookcover or dustjacket. How do you interpret these last two images "218" and "224"? <br />
::: Today that's all I had time to view. But, yes, I do have the one-hour privilege now. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:32, 28 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Answer to your question concerning total no of pages ==<br />
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See [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5379858 here for your question] - Answer: no, the same rules apply for all languages - looks like someone counted the three pages of advertisements and stuff. I've corrected the page no's to 157. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 05:59, 4 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Deathbringer ==<br />
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Per your note to moderators in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5376099 this submission]: Search on ISBN came up with the cover for the 2nd edition - see [https://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=30257088918&cm_sp=det-_-bsk-_-bdp]. Very difficult to read, but I'm fairly sure ISFDB cover scan of the first edition says 2246 in the right margin of the cover, whereas the AbeBooks scan says 2562 for the 2nd edition (same price for both editions, it seems) Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:47, 5 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Dragon Quintet ==<br />
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Hello. Can you provide source for these two (related) edits: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5380430], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5380431]? Thanks!<br />
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: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?31459; Don Erikson, the long-gone PV of the edition with the wrong cover credit, was one of the most common enterers of wrong info here; I can't count how many of his old edits I've had to correct. In this case, it's clear the Eggleton art is only on the Book Club edition while all the Tor editions use the same art, so I removed the wrong art credit and then imported the right one (Erikson also PV the Tor HC, so I assume he was just confused when he added the wrong info to the PB). There's no source, it's just a mistake I'm correcting, unless I'm missing something. --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:57, 5 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Oh, I see. Approved. (I may have to stop reviewing and approving submissions for today... :). Thanks, regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:27, 5 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:34, 5 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Please revert edit for Kingsbane ==<br />
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Would you please revert this edit [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5381259] and remove the LCCN from External IDs? The note specifically says there is no valid LoC record which is why it doesn't belong as an external ID. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 18:19, 5 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Not online, or not at all? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:39, 6 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::My only LoC validation source is the LoC online lookup but I would think that should be sufficient. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 17:26, 6 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::Thank you. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 15:27, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Independence ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5382526 this submission]. I don't see any attempt to contact the PV. The notes clearly state that the publication date is from a secondary source (Amazon.com). I have no problem with editing the disambiguation of the 'Author's Note' if you wish to resubmit. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:11, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: MLB, as has been mentioned many times on these boards, has told me to just fix any minor mistakes because he made so many of them in his PV over the years that it's a waste of time contacting him about all of them. Also, most paperbacks wouldn't have the day of publication, Amazon uses the first day of the month when they don't know the exact date (could be the month before or after), and there's a later printing on Archive.org, https://archive.org/details/quantumleapindep0000peel, that says August on the copyright page. MLB wrote about both Amazon and the copyright page in his note, so I assume he just forgot to fix the date based on the actual book instead of Amazon. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:24, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Of course, the actual publication does not give the day. That is the reason MLB added the note. (OL also agrees). If the date is changed, then the August 1 date should be incorporated into the note. For ex: "Publication date 1996-08-01 per Amazon.com as of 2012-10-15'. I hate to throw away data. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:43, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Amazon has always had a habit, when they don't really know the publication date, to just use -01- for the day; OL's info is often just copied straight from Amazon. The book's date is on the copyright page, August 1996. The only reason to include Amazon's date is if the book wasn't available, but it is, because he PV it, and there's an Archive.org copy. If the book was one of those that listed the day in the date, and there are some (usually small-press) books that do, or a later printing that mentions the exact date of the earlier printing(s) then the day could be justifiably entered, but that's not the case here. You can ask about this on the boards if you want. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:55, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::Books rarely give the <b>actually day</b> that a book is printed. The date that you see on Amazon is the date that the book arrives, I think, in inventory. Compare dates, page count, and prices, with Barnes & Noble. You can find minute differences. If you want, just make minute changes when you need to. Besides, my brother, who was a fan of the show, absconded with a number of my <i>Quantum Leap</i> books, so I may not even have that book anymore. Typos are my kryptonite, thanks for paying attention. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 18:11, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:MLB MLB], thanks for chiming in. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:18, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Toast ==<br />
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[https://archive.org/details/toast_stross/mode/2up this archive.org link] is not for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?247813 2006 tp edition]. No page numbering, number of pages is incorrect, no cover illustration. This is most likely an e-book, self published by the author. I removed the link from my verified pub. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:46, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Yes, it is by the author, as he explains in a note following the copyright page. It's also the only edition of Toast on Archive.org, and it does have the same ISBN as the 2006 TP and is the only expanded edition, and hardly anyone knows it's there judging by the fact that it was uploaded in 2015 but there's still less than 1,000 views, so I figured the best place to put it would be in your edition, but apparently not. So now I'll just put it in the title record; the most important thing is allowing people to read it. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:09, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Publication Links to scans ==<br />
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Please don't remove links to other scans when adding new scans, unless the original links are no longer active. I know that you prefer Open Library links to links directly to the Internet Archive, but that is no reason to overwrite existing links that have been previously added. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:52, 17 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: The Archive links I replaced were all added by me; if someone else had added them then I would have left them alone. The Luminist PDFs I've been adding lately are all fully readable and printable, unlike the Archive copies, unless you have a 14-day pass or whatever is needed, and then they encrypt them and people complain about them all the time and so on. It's fine with something like Dalby's Ghosts For Christmas, where I noticed that you approved my edit replacing Archive link with Luminist PDF and then added Archive link back immediately afterwards, since there's a slight possibility that the Luminist site might disappear off the web and the only readable copy would be on Archive, but I disagree with putting back those lousy Dark Shadows Archive links with their menu and Jane Austen URL that has nothing to do with the books themselves, but if you and other mods feel like adding all of those dozens of Archive links back, so be it. EDIT: I see you just approved my edit replacing the 2 Google Drive links (that I added some time ago) for The Elemental and the Ace Double containing the infamous how-long-is-it? Falcons of Narabedla, that Luminist used to use for many of their books, with the PDFs that they've converted most of their books into, and then added back the old Google Drive links, anyway. Seems pointless, but whatever. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:00, 17 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Infinity Three ==<br />
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I accepted your submission adding this publication by mistake, so I deleted it. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18237 Here] is the existing record. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:34, 17 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Your question on image replacement ==<br />
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In [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5394627 this submission], you stated "I replaced the wrong cover image, which has the old edition's info on the side, with the correct cover with info on the top, but I had to replace it here because, as has happened several times before, the uploaded cover didn't go to the same page as the old uploaded cover, so if moderator wants to contact somebody and ask them to fix that it would be great" This behaviour you observed is a consequence of copying publication records to create another printing and/or edition. As a consequence, the image URL is also copied, but continues to point to the original cloned record. The only solution to fix this problem is either to go to the cloned record and update the image there, or, if the intent is to replace with a correct image, then you need to do what you've done here, and upload a new cover image and update the corresponding pub record. As far as I can tell, there's not much that can be done about this without significantly changing the software's behaviour. Hope this clarifies. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 12:42, 19 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: OK, but the last several times this happened one of the long-time mods, maybe JLaTondre or Ahasuerus, said they fixed it so it pointed to the right page. I don't know what they did, but I doubt it was just replacing it in the record, or maybe it was, who knows. I left that message simply because I was tired of leaving a message on the boards every time this happened and wanted either the original uploader or the mod who approved the edit to take care of it. In the future I'll just replace it in the book's record, although that still means, I think, that the old wrong cover still has a page on the Wiki somewhere. Also, why is the word "behaviour" in your message flagged as a wrong spelling, with a red underline? The mods' names have it, too, which is logical because they're not actual words, but shouldn't spellcheck recognize British spelling? --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:09, 19 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Indeed, the old cover has still a page on the wiki - however, if no pub record points to it anymore, eg because they have been replaced with another one, it doesn't really matter if it does, right? You can ask a moderator to cleanup these orphan picture uploads, but not sure myself if that's really needed or expected.<br />
::As far as I understand it, if your system is set up to check US spelling, then it does that, and only that. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 13:52, 28 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Thirteenth Ghost Book ==<br />
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I'm holding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5402720 this submission]. Since there aren't any pages with Roman numerals, the Pages field should remain unchanged. The page number for the 'Editor's Preface' should be 7. (not bracketed). I see that the table of contents shows vii for the page number. However, from the first bullet point under [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Regular_Titles Regular Titles] Page -"Caution: Do not use the table of contents to determine the page numbers of a publication's contents." Resubmit and I'll approve. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:25, 27 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== A word on the use of <nowiki>{{incomplete}}</nowiki> ==<br />
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Hello. Just an FYI - if you happen to know that not all spec fic content has been added to a publication (as you mentioned in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5408632 this submission]), then you can use the <nowiki>{{incomplete}}</nowiki> template in the notes field (unless you plan on adding them right after in a subsequent edit, of course ;)). That'll allow cleanup reports to list these pubs. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 03:40, 1 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: I've been told that before, but when I used to do that, sometimes, the contents were almost never entered by anyone until I eventually ended up doing it at some point, so it's a waste of time; most of the people here don't really care about helping with anything that doesn't interest them personally, and even if they did many of the editors/moderators are very reluctant to help me with anything because I'm not a sycophant and don't let them bully me, or they're still mad about some sarcastic comment I made a year-and-a-half ago, so they ignore anything with my name on it, as can be seen by the hundreds of messages I've left on the boards since 2021, when I started editing, that have never been answered. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:25, 1 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::''I'm'' interested in the incompletes. It would be useful if you would add it. —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 03:37, 17 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Highgate Vampire ==<br />
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It seems to me that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5406724 The Highgate Vampire] is SHORTFICTION, not an ESSAY. I find it strange that Manchester should write an ESSAY on his own story (albeit not impossible). Do you have evidence elsewhere that this should be converted? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 06:40, 1 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Because the edit of mine you approved recently containing Highgate Vampire includes a link to the Coronet copy on R. Dalby's site, and the photo of contents page says 4 new vampire stories or something similar, and that title is not in that section, it's in the essay section. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:11, 1 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: OK, thanks for the explanation. I've approved it. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 12:46, 1 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Narrator template ==<br />
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Please use the <nowiki>{{Narrator|}}</nowiki> template in audio publications. I'm sure you saw where I have added it to some of your edits. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:16, 14 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Exotic Gothic: Forbidden Tales From Our Gothic World ==<br />
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When some of the page numbers are not visible/readable but the order of the stories is (such as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?279827 here], use piped numbers tied to the story before and after the missing numbers to keep the order of the titles in the publication. I added the two missing numbers [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?279827 here]. When you leave some stories without any numbers while others have page numbers, they float to the top of the list, before the preface in this case. This way the order is preserved and visible. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:39, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: That's a deliberate choice; I'm the one who almost always eventually finds somewhere that shows the missing numbers and then fills them in, with a few very rare cases where some other person finds them and deigns to fill them in themselves, hopefully actually letting me know they did that so I don't think they're still missing, which they usually don't and I just stumble on the completed record some time in the future. So it makes it easier to know which are missing if they're all bunched at the top rather than having to look through sometimes very long contents lists to find them, hoping that I actually catch them all. You added the pipes to this one, however, so whatever, who cares, nothing matters anymore. WorldCat's new site is a mess, Amazon has completely changed their site for the worse, Fantastic Fiction doesn't show Amazon covers anymore because of those changes, and our site's move to a new server has been a total nightmare, with bugs galore and spam messages outnumbering the real ones. Not to mention another world war is in the offing, which will make this whole thing moot because internet service will be gone and nobody will be using ISFDB, anyway. Thanks for adding those pipes, though. :) EDIT: Turns out there's a snippet copy on Google, typed the titles, found the numbers, so now they're complete once edit's approved. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:29, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Approved. The point stands though - if we know the order, we use pipes to make the publication page as presentable as possible. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 20:05, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== How to Survive a Fire at the Greenmark ==<br />
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I rejected [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5417773 this submission], as there was another title record involved. A merge produces [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2365084 this title record]. It was easier for me to just do it, rather than have you redo your submission. Thanks for catching this, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:04, 17 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Tell-Tale Heart ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?915136 This] publication appears on the exception report because it is lacking the content title. You have marked it juvenile. Is that because of the publisher or did you see it stated somewhere? I looked at [https://archive.org/details/william-castle-telltale-heart] and [https://cartoonresearch.com/index.php/hanna-barbera-does-the-tell-tale-heart/]. Initially, I imported the regular title, but reversed it pending your input. What do you think? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 07:48, 19 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Yes, it's part of a cartoon series, cartoons are for kids, especially older cartoons like Hanna-Barbera's; if it was Adult Swim or something that would be different, but pretty much everything H-B did was marketed to kids. EDIT: Also, I imported it myself, but it's currently waiting in a 330-edit list of mine, so you don't have to import anything, it'll be accepted sometime in the near future. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:38, 19 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: You submission is approved. <Strike>Please do two more things. First, merge the duplicated CHAPBOOK title records (check for duplicates in the publication Editing Tools: menu)</strike> Please use the narrator template, <nowiki>{{Narrator|William Castle}}</nowiki>, rather than straight text. When(if) we make narrators their own record, it will be easier to implement. Post when you submissions is in the queue and I'll approve them. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:32, 19 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: Approved, Thank you [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:57, 19 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== New Writings in Horror and the Supernatural, Vol. 2 ==<br />
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I rejected [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5422611 this submission] and resubmitted it without the change to the title record. The three title records (anthology, and two content titles) incorrectly credited to an alternate name were fixed via merges. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23815 Here] is the final result. Thanks for finding this. If anything is not clear, ask. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:12, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Evocations ==<br />
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Regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5422619 this submission]. What is the source for the contents? Are you planning on submitting the remaining titles? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:33, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Probably Amazon Look Inside or Scribd, I don't remember, it's been so long, that's why mods should unfreeze the notes box so editors can add info like that when importing titles. Maybe this: https://thebookloversboudoir.wordpress.com/2015/08/04/book-review-evocations-by-james-brogden/; and no, I only imported stories already on ISFDB, since I don't know how the other stories are titled in the print book, online info being unreliable at best, and I don't have a copy to check. If a copy ever shows up on Archive or somewhere then I can enter the rest, assuming I'm still doing this by then. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:15, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: I'll add a note citing Look inside and the <nowiki>{{Incomplete}}</nowiki> template. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:55, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Venus, the Lonely Goddess ==<br />
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Re; [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5425887 this submission]. The title page shows 'The Lonely Goddess' as the subtitle. Shouldn't the title be 'Venus: The Lonely Goddess' to comply with our standards? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:28, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Yes, I think you're right. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:32, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: If you resubmit, I'll approve it. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:38, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: Just approve it and I'll do another edit adding the colons; there's other info in that edit besides just the change of title. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:46, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::: Approved, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:49, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Chapbooks and title level fields ==<br />
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Please be careful when adding chapbooks. In general the flags such as novelization don't apply. Also links should only be added if they apply to the publication. If you're trying to add a link or a novelization flag they belong on the SHORTFICTION that you are adding. After the new chapbook edit is approved, you can add them on the newly created SHORTFICTION title. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:32, 3 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Changing author/artist names in publications. ==<br />
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Please remember that when you change an author's name inside a publication the publication or title records are the only record for that author, it is better to ask the moderators to change the name in the author record as to preserve any other data in the author record. For example, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5437438 this edit] removes the last reference to Arnid Johnston. The existing record includes the author's legal name which will be lost when that record is deleted as a result of the edit. You had one other edit that I approved today that had a similar issue. I'll go ahead and approve and update the new record with the former record's legal name. However, it's best to correct these sorts of errors in the author record. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:10, 5 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Heart-Beast'' cover URLs ==<br />
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Would you take a look at {{P|16664|Heart-Beast}}? Your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5433424 submission], which I accepted, seems/seemed to have an m.media-amazon.com Amazon cover URL in it that the software didn't like. Accepting the submission further seems to have ignored it, because the pub record has an images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com URL (to a poorer quality image, but it's the same cover). And I know you've been on a bit of a mission to change m-media.amazon.com links to images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com links for stability reasons. So I'm a bit confused about what's up, I sort of doubt you would have changed something from images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com, and I suspect the URL in the record is what we want and not the URL seen in the submission. That is what we have at the moment, anyway. If you think something should be different, let me know and submit whatever is appropriate, and I'll follow up. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 06:56, 6 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: It is not the m-media.amazon.com that is an issue (it is an exact mirror of images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com so every image on one of them exist under the same name on the other - if we decide not to use m-media.amazon.com, these can be swapped behind the scenes although a lot of the new images coming in are using m-media.amazon.com so it may be a losing battle). The problem in this one is that it is an /images/G/ image and those have their ".L" after a dot - which is caught into the check for formatting so you see this error unlike the cases with the /P/ images where it shows the "these are not /I/ images warning -- the current software can only show 1 warning per field. We do not know how stable /G/ are - I think these may be the old user images which may mean that a user can delete them at their whim. The only ones we know to be stable are the images in /images/I/ so that warning is there for anything that is not in the /images/I/ space in Amazon. It can be ignored for spaces we do not know much I suspect (such as /G/) but if a better image is found over in /I/, it will be better. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 10:44, 6 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Hi. Yes, I understood the warning. What I didn't/don't understand is why that submission's URL did not "take" when I accepted the submission. I'm suspecting that submission didn't actually try to do anything with the URL, and the desired image is the one currently linked (and not on m-media.amazon.com). I didn't want to contravene anyone's intentions by trying to "fix" it, so I thought I'd ask. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 20:38, 6 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Extended Play'' and "A Night in Tunisia" ==<br />
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Hi. Just FYI, I rejected [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5433436 this submission]. The primary verifier had completed the contents in a submission made the day before, and "A Night in Tunisia" was already in the contents when I went to process this. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:41, 8 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Italian books ==<br />
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A few notes:<br />
: When adding Italian books, the NILF number (the digits at the end of fantascienza.com's IDs which follow the "NILF" prefix) goes into the external IDs, not in the links. <br />
: "digest" is not one of the formats we use for books (it is defined only for magazines) - we use either pb or tp for paperbacks. <br />
: The Translator goes into the title note, not the publication note (or in both if so you prefer but it is required on the title level). <br />
All 3 were fixed post approval [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?918597 Operazione: Sterminio] and I also created the variant while I was around. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:21, 10 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: A few more notes: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?5646; 2 novels entered by other editors as "digest"; 2 records which have the translator in the publication note (and without using the translator template), 1 of which also has the translator in the title note and 1 of which doesn't. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:49, 10 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: So they need cleaning up and fixes. As you had probably realized by now, there are a lot of things in the DB that need fixing. Some of them are because of changed rules through the years (the older the record, the more likely is that it was added under different rules and practices), some of them are because of incomplete sources or human mistakes and some of them are simply because the editor did not check the rules and applied their own logic. We try to keep to the rules with new entries and current updates; when time permits, older stuff gets also cleaned up. It is the nature of collaborative projects which survive as long a ours. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:55, 10 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Yeah, I know there's lots of things that need fixing because I've fixed thousands of them. I'll fix these because like so many others if I don't they'll never get fixed, with many of my fixes being for mistakes that have been in the edit history since 2006-2007 when public editing first started; most of the current editors and moderators have abandoned anything except modern e-books, leaving hundreds of thousands of pre-e books and magazines to oblivion. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:21, 10 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Open Library OL and archive.org ==<br />
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Once again (User talk:Pwendt#Doll Who Came Alive) I do have an account with password to Borrow rather than merely Preview. <br />
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How do you use OpenLibrary.org and Archive.org in conjunction, for research?<br />
And when hope to add Webpage at archive.org, or External ID "OL....", for others to follow? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:22, 18 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Are there books with a Preview available, which are not available for anyone to Borrow? (maybe equivalent to Not in the Library) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 11:57, 21 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: I'm no expert, but the relation between OL and Archive seems to be messy; there are books that show up on OL that don't on Archive even though the previewable copy is an Archive book, there are Archive books that don't show up on OL, books on OL but not on Archive often have a blue borrow unavailable tag at the top, trying to borrow something for 14 days using the pull-down menu next to borrow for 1 hour gives you epub or pdf links which only download some ASIM thing that you're supposed to use with some kind of Adobe reader or something and don't let you print anything from them, etc. I gather from messages on the site that Archive used to be much better about letting people borrow material for longer periods until they got complaints about copyrighted material on their site and switched to the 1 hour thing. So I'd say search for whatever you're looking for on both OL and Archive and, as long as nobody else has it borrowed, you can keep renewing the 1 hour thing endlessly. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:00, 21 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Doctor Doolittle ==<br />
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Would you consider this pub record still be corrupt (as per the notes), after [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5444256 your edit]? If not, I suggest removing that note. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 08:26, 20 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Going by the edit history it seems Pwendt wrote it, so I left them a message asking to remove it if they think it needs to be now, after my edits. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:35, 20 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Frank Mahood ==<br />
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FYI. You've submitted a couple of edits crediting Frank Mahood as artist - however, he's the jacket designer, which does not imply he's the artist. We do not record designers as artists (unless it's very clear he/she is). That info goes into the notes instead. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 15:09, 20 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Talisman ==<br />
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Re: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?532472 The Talisman]; I think we should go ahead and change the publisher to 'Constable'. Also, clarify in the publisher record that it is now an imprint of Hatchet via Little, Brown and Company. What do you think? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:15, 26 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I think so; best ask a mod first, but remember it's Hachette, not Hatchet. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:52, 26 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Pardon my typo in the above post. If you prefer another mod than me, feel free to solicit one. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:06, 26 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Dude, I don't care at all. I thought it would be best to ask before making a major change like that, as I've been chastised many times for changing stuff. If you're a senior mod go ahead and change it on your own without asking anyone. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:16, 26 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Giesbrecht / Geisbrecht ==<br />
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Hi. This [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5449569 submission] fixes the title but also changes Jennifer Giesbrecht to Jennifer Geisbrecht, which would be a new author record. The Look Inside for the paperback edition of ''Thirteen: Stories of Transformation'' show it as the former spelling in the TOC, on the back cover, and in the interior (although it does not show the interior ones). Searching for "Geisbrecht" found one hit in the interior but does not show it. Is that spelling change a typo or intentional? It looks like her name is actually "Giesbrecht" (see her [https://jennifergiesbrecht.carrd.co/ website]). If there is a credit in there spelled "Geisbrecht", since the book also has credit(s) with the correct spelling, I think we'd be best off assuming it's a typo, using the correct spelling for the credit, and recording the discrepancy and in-publication sources of each of the spellings in the notes. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:43, 29 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
:You're probably right. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:45, 29 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::Oh, I see from your later submission that you found it on archive.org. I took a look, and in that copy, it's "Giesbrecht" in the TOC, on the copyright page, and on the back cover, while it's Geisbrecht on the story title page and the running titles. I guess it's safest to document it with the misspelling make a variant. At least there's reasonable provenance that they're the same person.... --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:56, 29 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Heat ==<br />
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Concerning [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5459602 this submission]: is there a particular reason why you want to remove the Reginald-3 reference from the External IDs list? In error perhaps? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 12:18, 8 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: I noticed this edit was on hold, and knew I wouldn't have removed anything (I'm the one who added this edition in the first place), and looking at edit history now, I see RTrace added the Archive.org link, which I tried to add, on 11/02, so I can only assume that my edit, being in the queue for so long, resulted in the LCCN ID I also tried to add conflicting with the Reginald-3 ID he added (he adds a whole lot of those). So the only thing needed now is the LCCN ID, so I'll cancel my old edit and make a new one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:27, 8 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks! - and yes, the queue is horrendous atm :( [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 13:16, 8 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Spectrum 5 ==<br />
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We don't change the title of a PVed book without a verification by the PV when we have an active PV (and we do not change the title without a note when there is a PV at all): they may be holding a slightly different book or they may confirm the change but in all cases, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5484232 this] cannot be approved without a check with the verifier. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:59, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: The same for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5484204 Spectrum 4] [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:00, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: And [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5484207 Spectrum 3]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:01, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Just a suggestion ==<br />
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Rather than 'fixed title' in your moderator notes, consider an explanation of what you are changing. Make it easy for the pv to see what you did. In [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5465175 this] example, 'removed series from publication and cover art titles'. Up to you. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:00, 17 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Carnage Road ==<br />
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Re: your note to moderator. I agree the date should be April 2012. However, MLB has deemed the 'The Author' as significant by creating a title record so the Pages field must include those in the count. I suggest submitting an edit for the date and notifying MLB. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:13, 17 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Theatre of Timesmiths ==<br />
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You were correct there was a problem with this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?50893 publication]. It had the wrong title record. It was originally entered as 'A Theatre of Timesmiths'. When the publication title was changed, the title record was not. The way to fix it was to import the correct title record and remove the incorrect one. Unfortunately, after I fixed the publication, I meant to reject your variant submission, but approved it by mistake (subsequently fixed). Great job finding this. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:17, 17 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Drummer Boy ==<br />
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For [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5466669 this submission], Amazon says HC, can you provide the source for your edit? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 07:45, 18 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Mischief-Makers ==<br />
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Hello, I have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5472517 your submission] on hold as I couldn't find spec fic elements at cursory glance. Can you provide evidence these belong into the database? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 12:10, 18 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: Shirley Jackson, Joan Aiken, Alan Garner, Richard Parker, Joseph Payne Brennan are all on ISFDB, so should be imported, and I suspect if anyone wants to read the other stories some of them would be genre, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:36, 18 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks, approved. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 05:29, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Re. Mr Ho ==<br />
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Re. your minor [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5464886 edit] for the story "Mr Ho" in 'Tales from the Fragrant Harbour', I'm trying to establish via the publisher Keith Brooke if "Mr Ho" has a period in the title or not, as this may affect whether we need to variant. (my own copy is thousands of miles away and currently inaccessible). Will get back to you on this soon when I hear from Mr. Brooke. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 07:36, 21 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:Keith Brooke has advised me the story appears without a period in his Infinity Plus edition, so I've added a variant that does include a period for your PS edition. Your original edit will need to be rejected. I've also put the stories in your ebook edition in the (very likely) same order as the tp edition; if there are any differences you would need to re-order them. All done, thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 06:58, 22 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Shadow Games and Other... ==<br />
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Hi. I think that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5481414 Shadown Games and Other Sinister Stories of Show Business] that you've submitted should be flagged as non-genre (can't find any spec fic elements, but who knows?). Do you agree?<br />
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Also, I tend to discourage adding non-genre titles, even for well known gene authors, but your mileage may vary. Ed Gorman is a corner case where you could argue he is 'above the threshold', so I leave it to you to decide to keep this non-genre(?) title in or not. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 10:28, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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Same for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5481798 Farewell, Fond Dreams]. Didn't check thoroughly, but doesn't seem genre to me. Or is it? (this author definitely shouldn't have any non-genre titles in the database). [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 10:39, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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: All of the contents in Gorman's book are on ISFDB, the full-length novel and the stories; looking into this led me to discover that the novel has both editions on Archive.org so I've added links to each and created a record for the Leisure edition which for some reason was never entered here. The Gordon collection includes his ISFDB poem, a couple of short stories on ISFDB, and a couple of those many Exhibition stories, so yes, it belongs here; I suspect if anyone were to read the rest of that pretentious nonsense they'd probably find that some of the other contents are genre, too. EDIT: I'm the one who entered The Haunted Gay but it got errored out which led to it being a stray, which has only happened to me once before, so I asked about it and was told what to do, but it took so long to get approved that a few days ago somebody named Zapp must have seen my message and fixed it, although he added ASIN which doesn't make sense for such an old book, but whatever. Now the Edit History only shows Zapp, so my discovering and entering this rare book will go uncredited, which has happened to me several times recently. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:59, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:: OK, thanks. Both approved (I didn't import contents though. If you could take care of that?) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 03:53, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:::I imported into Gorman's book but as I said Giles Gordon's book probably contains other genre SS so someone can read it and then decide what to do, import and add new ones, whatever. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:56, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Five Jars ==<br />
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Concerning [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5486580 your edit] I noticed that you left the US edition at 1922-00-00. Now, that's a bit awkward because the UK edition clearly states "First published October, 1922", but whether that refers to the UK edition only, or both UK and US editions, I wouldn't know. Any suggestion on how to treat this ? Re-date US edition to 1922-10-00 as well, with note that it possibly could have been published at a later date (but still 1922)? (author is British, so presumably the UK edition is leading(?)). Thanks, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 08:07, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:MagicUnk, the US edition should remain 1922 unless we have a source for the month. If we want to speculate on the date, that can be added to the pub notes, but we shouldn't change the date itself. There is no issue with having the title date be more specific than some of the pub dates if we know the first appearance. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:32, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:: OK, will approve. Not sure if username can dig up more details on the pub date of the US edition. ;) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 08:54, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Cover Uploading ==<br />
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Regarding your note to moderator [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5487303 here]: The cover uploading did go to the right page. The issue was the previous link was to an image for a {{P|189937|different edition}}. Someone either forgot to remove the image when they cloned the record or reused the image with the incorrect assumption it was the same. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:29, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== J. J. Ace & Nick Aires are (not) alternate names... ==<br />
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I have your submissions [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5485961], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5485964] on hold as I doubt that J.J. Ace is an alternate name for Nick Aires. The only link between the two I could find is the reference to Andreychuk (by Bill Longley) here: {{a|J. J. Ace}}. No source given. The 'About the Author' in [https://archive.org/details/judgmentday00acej/page/300/mode/2up Judgment Day] reveals that J.J. Ace may be an alternate name for {{a|James Richey}} (or not). Can you dig up more substantial evidence to link both Ace and Aires? If not, I'll remove the legal name from J.J. Ace's record, and move it to the note and state that it is doubtful that Andreychuk is his legal name. Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 08:55, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Hour of the Cyclops ==<br />
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Hi once more. Concerning these submissions [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5485522], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5485520], statement in the notes of one of the verified publication says 'Exerpt of shoft story "Hour of the Cyclops" '. Nevertheless, you've added the story without the '(excerpt)' modifier. Do you have source/evidence it's not an excerpt, but the actual short story itself? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 09:07, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: Because it's the exact same text, starting and ending with the same lines, as the online-readable story on 3LBE, which was its original publication. Whoever entered the "excerpt" note was unaware of that, it seems, and it also seems most people are unaware that they reprinted the story, which used to only be available in the original limited edition, in these later editions, since the book doesn't include the story on the contents page and so websites that list the contents miss it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:18, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks, approved. Also, don't forget to check on earlier messages on your talk page (there can be multiple) ;) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 10:47, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Planetfall ==<br />
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Regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5490780 this submission]: This seems like a story written in Planetfall setting and not a novelization of the game. The front page says "an authentically new adventure in the bestselling world of Planetfall." The description on the back does not sound like the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetfall video game]. Let me know if I'm missing something. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:22, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:Hard to say; some Infocom-related sites call it a novelization, like https://yois.if-legends.org/salesinfo.php?id=1265, and http://www.locusmag.com/index/t168.htm and https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/planetfall do, too. But https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/Planetfall says, "Arthur Byron Cover wrote a novel for Planetfall and Stationfall though they're set after the games with similar events happening again", so it's hard to say. Technically it's not and neither is the sequel, so uncheck the novelization boxes, I suppose. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:05, 25 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Editing records with primary verifications. ==<br />
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Another moderator contacted me about [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5491318 this submission] that you made to change the title of a publication for which I have a primary verification. As has been mentioned before, our etiquette is to contact the active verfiers '''prior''' to submitting an edit unless it falls under one of the exceptions specified on the verifier's talk page. In my case, that is for adding a missing cover image, or adding notes. Changing the title does not fall into those exceptions. Please refrain from making further edits to records with primary verifications until after you have contacted the active primary verifiers first. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:33, 26 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:Well, you didn't enter the title as it appears on the copyright page, Year's Best Weird Fiction, Vol. 1, but you also didn't enter it as it appears on the title page (there's no comma) nor did you enter it as is standard on ISFDB for series anthologies with subtitles, adding a colon between the title and the subtitle, so it's hard to figure out what you intended to do. As you told the mod who contacted you, the title now matches the other books in the series, which is how it should have been entered in the first place. It's easy to say contact PV first, but many of them never answer or they answer with anger at daring to question their work or they say they're not really active anymore and they don't care much about any changes made. In the future I'll be sure to contact you about any and every change since you seem to still be semi-active. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:46, 26 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::A verifier is not necessarily the person who entered the data and things do occasionally get missed. However, that is the point here. Regardless of the merits of the edit, you should have asked me before you entered it and I know that I've asked you to do so before. I'm sorry if other verifiers responded with anger, but that is no reason to ignore the requirement with respect to all verifiers. I'll also point out that the Last User Activity Date is right next to the indication of verification. Given that I make edits most days, I am puzzled as to why you think I'm only semi-active or why you would have thought I was inactive long enough that you were exempt from the requirement to pre-notify. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:15, 26 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:::Probably because the last edit of mine you approved was 10 days ago, so I just assumed you'd given up like another mod has recently or you were sick and/or in the hospital for the umpteenth time like several of the other mods. Anyway, a few more problems I've noticed since looking at all of this again: 1) The title date of #1 is earlier than the edition you PV but there's no record for an earlier edition here; 2) The foreign edition is the only book in the "Modern Weird" Series with no series #, format or cover artist, and the other 3 books are listed as 2 PB and a TP, so obviously one of those formats is wrong; 3) Volume 3 HC has no page count, cover artist or contents, and while cover images for both editions are the same and the TP does have a cover artist later volumes in the series have a different cover (#4 also has 2 separate cover artists) for each edition so it's possible that whoever entered 3's HC cover just copy-and-pasted the TP cover without checking to see if that was the right cover, as has happened so many times before with other books ; 4) Volume 4 HC has no ISBN or page count, doesn't have the day entered like the TP does, and neither edition has page numbers entered for the contents; 5) Volume 5 HC has no cover artist, the page counts of each edition are different, and neither edition has page numbers entered for the contents, plus the viewable e-book on Amazon (never entered on ISFDB) says Five, not 5, in the title, so both editions probably have the wrong title. I may have missed something, but these are the problems I see, in case anyone chances across this message and can fix anything I've mentioned. EDIT: While there don't seem to be any eBay copies of this series with anything other than cover photos, I did find this: https://alligatortreegraphics.files.wordpress.com/2019/12/ybwf5.pdf, so Volume 5 clearly should be Five since this is either the TP or HC judging by the fact that the contents page has page numbers on it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:42, 26 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::::Your definition of being active in the project as has approved your submissions recently is odd. In the context of who is required to be notified before editing their verified publications you should determine who is an active editor by the Last User Activity Date shown in the publication record. I don't know why you continue to try to find excuses to circumvent this requirement, but this requirement applies any publication verified by an active editor; not just moderators, and certainly not just moderators that have approved your edits recently. Your suppositions about my health are also odd. I don't know why you would assume that I am sick or hospitalized. I have been consistently active on the site for many years, except when traveling, which I always note in the Moderator Availability list at the head of the [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard|Moderator noticeboard]]. There is a much simpler explanation as to why I have not approved any of your edits in the last 10 days. That is because there are many other edits before yours in the queue. Currently, the earliest edit in the queue which is not held, or has some other question preventing its approval is from October 30. Your earliest unheld edit is from November 18. While some moderators may cherry pick which editors they want to approve, I do not. I work from the earliest edits first. There are simply hundreds if not thousands of edits in the queue before yours. As for your questions regarding the Year's Best Weird Fiction series, it sounds like you have some research to do. I do think it's unlikely that anyone with insight happening upon this thread under this heading are quite small. You'd probably have better luck posting a question in [[ISFDB:Verification requests|Verification requests]]. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:56, 27 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Picture Mommy Dead ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5496327 this submission]. Looking at the Wikipedia article for the film, it does not appear that there are any supernatural elements to the story. Do you have evidence that the novel has speculative elements that would make it eligible for inclusion in the project? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:19, 14 December 2022 (EST)<br />
: Oh yes, it's like a Gothic novel in film form, with a young lady seeing hallucinations of the fiery ghost of her dead mommy, bleeding paintings, creepy talking dolls, etc., while her wicked stepmother tries to get her inheritance; at the end she and her dad go insane. So I think it would qualify even if some of those things may only be in her mind; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLN90cNNomw. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:08, 14 December 2022 (EST)<br />
::That description sounds psychological as opposed to supernatural which doesn't qualify under our [[ISFDB:Policy#Definitions of Speculative Fiction|Definitions of Speculative Fiction]]. I'll cross post this on the [[ISFDB:Community Portal|Community Portal]] and see if we can get some additional opinions. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:08, 14 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Cage ==<br />
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Regarding your comment in the moderator note of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5513407 this submission]: Yes, the canonical title is dated with the date of first appearance even if the first appearance was under an alternate name. The only exception is if a translation appeared before it was published in the original language. We use the first canonical language publication date in those cases.<br />
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By the way, http://www.philsp.com/ links to specific entries are pretty much useless as they are not stable. When they add new data or otherwise make updates to their site, the links end up pointing to different data. I removed it from the notes as it no longer pointed to the the Ray Russell entry. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:43, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Fast Ships, Black Sails ==<br />
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What is the source of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5515393 this date change]? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:00, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:As so often happens, someone, in this case the long-gone/dead Bluesman, submitted and approved the title date in late 2010, but the 2 PV, you and RTrace, had verified the book in 2009 and early 2010 and so nobody ever fixed the book date to match the title date, so I did. If either of you two want to fix all the other cover art/essay/story dates now you can do so. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:30, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
::The month does not appear in the book. Amazon does give October, but it would be better to have a more reliable source. I changed the title record to be just 2008 and rejected the edit. You can re-add the Internet Archive link based on the desire you expressed to do it yourself in our earlier discussion. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:52, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Movie Fantastic ==<br />
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Concerning [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5502186 your edit], it seems to me that ISBN ending in 139 is for the tp edition - see [https://www.ebay.com/itm/274089387617] and [https://archive.org/details/moviefantasticbe00anna/]. A price tag of $2.95 would be consistent with that. ISBN ending in 163 is for HC - see [https://www.abebooks.com/9780517518168/Movie-Fantastic-Beyond-Dream-Machine-0517518163/plp]. Would also mean that OL & OCLC IDs would have to be removed from the hc edition & moved to the tp edition (which doesn't exist yet). Am assuming LCCN is for the hc edition. Could you double-check this makes sense? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 09:47, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:It's been so long since I did this that I don't remember the details, so I just cancelled it. If you want to take it up yourself maybe you can figure out what's what. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:36, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Zelig ==<br />
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You contributed the publication [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?929400 Zelig]. But I wonder if this has speculative contents. Could you explain why this pub should be selected? The content of the film does not appear to have any speculative elements. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 02:59, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: It was nominated for a Saturn Award for Best Director and a SF Chronicle Award for Dramatic Presentation, it was reviewed by Colin Greenland in genre magazine Imagine (January 1984), etc. The title character is a chameleon who can physically change in order to fit in and moves through history taking on the characteristics of famous figures. It's a fantasy, certainly, even if it probably wasn't marketed that way because of the usual snobbery against genre films. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:32, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks. By the way, I read about me in [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Username#Shadow_Games_and_Other... here]. I've been working on 'Cleanup Reports' for a while to correct missing data. But I don't check who previously entered data before each edit. Regarding 'The Haunted Gay', the publication was created after 10/24/2016, so the first contributor is not apparent. Sorry for causing annoyance. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 16:02, 21 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Clive Barker Image ==<br />
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Hi Username -<br />
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Could you please take another look at [[ISFDB:Community Portal#Clive Barker Author Photo|this discussion]]. There has been a third edit to change the author image and I think we need to reach a consensus rather than continue to churn the image. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:27, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Nog's Vision ==<br />
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These submissions [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5548247 submission1], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5548248 submission2] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5548249 Submission3] are not correct. <br />
<ul><li>If [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?117165 Brian Hall] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?352747 Brian P. Hall] are the same author, then we make Brian P. Hall an alternate name of Brian Hall and variant [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3091797 The Wizard of Maldoone].<br />
<li>If they are not the same author then we make Brian Hall(I) the author of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1823138 Nog's Vision], an alternate name for Brian P. Hall and variant. </ul><br />
Are you able to make a determination? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:02, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:I guess you're right. Cancel them and do whatever you need to; I see you just did some other edits for this title, anyway. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:27, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:: All I did was convert [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3091797 The Wizard of Maldoone] to a chapbook. I was hoping you could determine whether any(all) of the Brian Hall titles are by Brian P. Hall. Will research them? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:36, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Books by Hall and P. Hall both published by Paulist Press; also, bio in Brian Hall book calls him Brian P. Hall. So yes, they're the same person. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:41, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Donald Glut ==<br />
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Hi Username -<br />
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You had submitted an edit to make [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?352637 Donald Glut] into a variant name for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?2445 Donald F. Glut], which I approved. However, your subsequent [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5569807 edit] changes the only credit as "Donald Glut" to "Donald F. Glut" effectively deleting the variant author. You have not indicated any source for the change in credit on the title page of the essay. Did you perhaps intend to make the essay into a variant title under the parent name? If so, please delete the edit and reissue as a make variant. If not, please provide your source for the author credit for the essay. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:42, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I rejected it and it says TitleUpdate; I did it again and it says MakeVariant. I think that's what it should have been in the first place. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:29, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Hasty for the Dark: Selected Horrors ==<br />
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After accepting your submissions correcting the author attribution for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?632493 Hasty for the Dark: Selected Horrors], I removed all the Adam Nevill titles and imported or added the Adam L. G. Nevill titles. If you intended to do it yourself, I'm sorry. There was no note to moderator letting me know your intentions. Next time, change the pub and title records before importing the contents. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:20, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:What will changing those records first do in terms of the contents? I'm never clear about these kind of details. Would it eliminate some steps afterwards? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:24, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Hopefully you would have submitted [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5574809 this import] instead of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5132606 this one] saving the removal step. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:42, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Final Shadows ==<br />
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Re: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5574427 This submission], I think you meant to link to the tp edition. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:09, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:No, because photo of back cover has HC ISBN and price + other photos are clearly of the HC, too. FantLab just jumbles together info from various sources; nothing they write is reliable, only photos are reliable. By the way, you're one of the mods who seem to like following up on some of the edits you approve with your own edits so I'll mention that the last FantLab photo has a date, September 27, which is supposedly when it was scheduled to come out, in case you can find a publisher's slip photo or something to verify. Of course, that would also mean having to change all the story dates, too, so you may not want to bother. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:21, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:: I agree, the photos are of the hc edition. If this is common, I'll watch for it. Pondering on whether we should add a pub note whenever this situation arises. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:00, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Ritual ==<br />
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In edits like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5574855 this], what is your preference? Create the variant or leave it for you? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:50, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:If you notice something needs a variant it would be better for you to do it because you're a mod and your edit will be approved immediately while mine will probably sit there at the top of my long list for days/weeks, which is silly for those kinds of small repetitive edits. If you don't notice or don't have the time I or someone else will notice eventually and do it. It's up to you. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:02, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Got it, thanks. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:04, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Bitternest Chronicles ==<br />
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Any thoughts on whether we should change the publication date [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?325516 here]? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:07, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I tend to leave post-2007 ISBN-13 dates alone because e-books made such a mess of determining exact publication dates it's usually hard or impossible to tell when something was actually published. That doesn't mean someone else can't change it if they feel like they're sure when it was actually published. The publisher seems very obscure, although I did find that cool Youtube trailer so apparently at one point they thought they were going to be something. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:06, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Links in notes ==<br />
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Do you still want me to convert [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?61965 this] to a clickable link? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:01, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Please do make any link I provide (there must be thousands by now) clickable if you really want to; I'm an amateur who knows nothing about HTML or hot tags or whatever they call them and just let people cut-and-paste if they want to see the linked whatever. Coincidentally, see my 2 sad attempts at linking to that Bloch boxed set Amazon link you approved a little while ago, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5582236, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5582241. Also, the Bloch Midnight Pleasures edit you just approved didn't see me move my old note to the bullet list, or whatever you call it, in the notes, which I do when I see any these days because I've learned how to do it, and I also noticed that in the moderator notes I said "Archive.org copy" instead of link; I usually use the word copy when I'm writing about where I got info from in the regular note section. I think it was very late and I was very tired when I was doing a bunch of Bloch edits and wasn't up to my usual standard. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:09, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Alex Andreev / Alex Andreyev ==<br />
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Re: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5580997 This submission]. I'm sure you saw the website name. Did you consider going the other way? Just asking. I'm okay either way, can always be changed. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:54, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: I suppose you're right, but I think then it would make sense to move all the info as Andreyev over to the empty record for Andreev, right? I checked that Metronome book in Google Books and it's Andreyev like ISFDB says. I can't find a photo of the French Tad Williams book with the artist's name on it and that interior art credit as Andreev is also in Google Books but a search couldn't find the art, so what it's really signed is unknown. I was hoping that all credits would really be under one name or the other and somebody just entered them wrong here, but there's definitely at least 1 book as Andreev and 1 as Andreyev so far. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:12, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:: I agree, the data needs to be moved if you switch. Submit everything, ping here and I'll approve. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:24, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Done. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:26, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Robot Trouble ==<br />
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Should we add a note mentioning the 21 page difference between the L-O-C entry and our publication record? Looks like all our publication data came from Locus. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:46, 18 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Determining canonical name ==<br />
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You have pending submissions which would make [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?154935 Lucy Finn] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?32990 Savannah Russe] alternate names for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?161282 Charlee Ganny]. Assuming they are the same person, shouldn't Savannah Russe be the canonical name? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:35, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:The bio in that stupid Chihuahua Wolf or whatever says Ganny and mentions those other 2 names as pseudonyms, so I think Ganny should be parent, but I don't really care if anyone wants to change that if the rules here, whatever they are, say so. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:15, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::I just came across the same edits and have the same question. Our standards are that the canonical name should be the name by which the author is best know in the genre. Generally, that would be the name they are most frequently published as. In this case, most of the author's works are published as by Savannah Russe, which is why that name should be canonical. If Charlee Ganny is the author's legal name, that can be reflected in the Legal Name field in the canonical record. It would also have been helpful if you had added the source for this in the notes to the moderator. I looked at both the provided archive.org link (borrow unavailable) and the Amazon look inside feature and neither have access to the about the author page. Are you working from a physical copy? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:44, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::If I was working from a physical copy I would have PV it. I don't know, I just assume that if a complete amateur like me can find all this stuff that all you expert moderators should be able to find it, too, which is probably why sometimes I don't lay out exact details. As I've explained before, for some reason many books that were uploaded on Archive.org only link directly from OL, identifiable by that blue-and-white Preview button, but you can still search inside them even if you can't borrow them (I like searching for the word "the" which appears on most pages) and find something like this, https://archive.org/details/chihuawolftailof0000gann_y0f7/page/138/mode/2up, which explains what's what. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:59, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::If you had added that in the moderator notes in the first place, John and I wouldn't have had to question your source. It's to your own benefit as well. If we aren't spending our time recapitulating research that you've already done, we can spend more time reviewing edits. As to these edits, the canonical name should be Savannah Russe. Please see [[https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:AuthorFields:CanonicalName|this template]] which explains how we decide what name should be canonical. Unfortunately, your edits are making a lesser know name canonical and they'll have to be rejected. Please resubmit these making Russe the canonical name. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:57, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Title Change of One of Multiple Publications with the Same Title ==<br />
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Hi Username<br />
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I'm holding your edit to update the title of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?284335 1996 publication] of "Moonchasers and Other Stories" to "Moonchasers & Other Stories". I'm also holding the same change to the various contained title records. The issue with your edit is that there are two publications under the current title. Assuming the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?284334 2000 publication] has the "and" as opposed to the ampersand, your edits will result in the 2000 publication containing several incorrect title records. I'm guessing that you did not find evidence that the 2000 pub should be titled with an ampersand, or you would have changed it as well. If you can find such evidence, please change that record as well, and I can approve your edits. If not, you'll need to unmerge the title record for the novel and the cover art, then retitle them, and make the old versions variants of the newly created and changed ones. For the other titles, you can remove them from the 1996 publication, add new content with the correct title, and again make variants after that is done. Please let me know what you find about the 2000 publication, and we'll know how to proceed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:30, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Return to Avalon ==<br />
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Regarding your note to moderator, you are correct in both counts. Submit the change in page count and cover art credit, note whether you want the reviewer to create the alt name and variant, and leave a note for [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_Talk:Ofearna Ofearna]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:12, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: Approved the cover art credit. I assume you will link alt name and create the variant title. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:04, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Dark Heir ==<br />
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Submit the edit to add the series [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3150734 here] and I'll approve it. No need to wait for the whole queue to be cleared. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:28, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Duel: Terror Stories by Richard Matheson ==<br />
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While reviewing your updates to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?637552 this publication], I looked at the back cover. I think the team of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?25696 Shelley Eshkar] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?25679 Jan Uretsky] should be credited for the cover art. Even though the earlier pubs don't credit them, it is the same art for all four. I wouldn't have seen it but for your submissions, so you should go ahead and make the changes. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:36, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:Cover artists are credited on the back flap of the HC. The 2 artists, Shelley E. and Jan U., are credited separately and together on ISFDB for numerous covers, but none as by Eshkar/Uretsky. Not sure if the e-book with a date of January 4th came before the TP/HC, so if anyone can figure out which was the first true edition then artist can be entered, imported to other editions, and artist name made a variant of the individual names. Looking into this online also opened up this mess, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?12265, where the cover art is credited to Eshkar/Uretsky but nobody, not even the many PV, actually entered it that way, even though there are many mentions in notes that that's how it appears in the book, plus Larry Stewart interior art was only entered for the original HC but it's mentioned in several notes for other editions, there's an excerpt in the '99 Tor PB, which is the only copy on Archive.org-I just added a link to it in an edit, one of those weird preview-only copies that only show up if you search on Open Library-which has the date of the HC but almost certainly didn't appear in the HC, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:05, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:: For Duel, I would enter the names separately and add an appropriate note to each publication treating the hc as the earliest publication.<br />
:: I don't see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?12265 Factoring Humanity] as a mess.<br />
::* The Tor hc and Orb tp's clearly state the names are shown separately.<br />
::* Both Tor pb's have an appropriate note stating how the credit appears.<br />
::[[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:22, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Second printing of Witchcraft ==<br />
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You submitted [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5597754 this edit] to add a note to the April 2001 Pinnacle printing printing of ''Witchcraft'' that it is the second printing. I don't see a date listed in the scan of the book. Do you have evidence that the second printing was issued in April 2001? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:03, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:The only copy on eBay that shows a copyright page shows the same number line ending in 2 with the same March 1997 original date; the record here was entered a long time ago by ChrisJ, who had a habit of entering dates from Amazon, I guess, but not leaving any notes. Searching Google shows an Amazon page with an April 1 date and another that says "New Edition (7 June 2001)", but clicking on that link just goes to a page with the same April date. So there seems to be some confusion; possibly this was a reprint of the original, thus the 2 in the number line, and then there was a later edition that actually has a new 2001 date on the copyright page. Who knows? So you may as well cancel it and maybe someone will find out for sure sometime. I noticed that the same author has a phantom publication from 1994 in his record, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:16, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::Done. Chris is active and has always been responsive to my questions. As it happens, he added a Locus1 verification which is the source for the April 2001 reprint date. I would recommend cloning the record and creating an undated publication record for the second printing with the scan. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:28, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Haunted JARVEE ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5602538 this submission]. The variant title always carries the date of it's first occurrence, not the date of the canonical title when author attribution is the same for both.. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:26, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bob/Robert Chronister ==<br />
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Hi Username<br />
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I'm holding your edits to make Bob Chronister a child name of Robert Chronister. I'm curious as to why you chose Robert as the canonical name. The canonical name should be the name by which the person is best known in the genre. In this case, Bob has 4 credits whereas Robert has only 3. I know it's a close call. Are you aware of additional credits as Robert that you are intending to add? If not, I think we should probably make Bob the canonical name. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:10, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Text Search for "By Bob Chronister" on Archive.org gets 27 hits, "By Robert Chronister" gets 49 hits. So Robert seems a bit more common and it's the longer and likely legal name, so I thought it should be the parent. I wouldn't doubt that there are other genre books out there with cover art by him that await entering here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:38, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Neither the legal name nor the longest name matter for purposes of determining the canonical name. See [[Template:AuthorFields:CanonicalName|this help template]]. I'm concerned about your analysis. How many of the titles reference the same artwork? How many of those titles are genre as opposed to non-genre? Is the internet archive a good sampling of all the artists genre publications? Are there any records where the artist is credited without the preceding "By". If I had been the one making these edits, I would have made Bob Chronister the canonical name simply because it's slightly more common of the records that we have documented. Which is why I'm questioning this. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:19, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I'm not sure what's best, because I just entered an edit for the 1983 Bantam PB of the 1973 novel Castaways on Long Ago, with art by Bob, but other Bantam books on Archive.org, including the PB of Have a Heart, Cupid Delaney, which only has the HC on ISFDB, say art by Robert. He also did many other Bantam books and went back and forth between first names. So unless someone finds a bibliography or something and counts exactly how many covers were done under each name it's really impossible to say what's the "preferred" name. I'll try to enter that Cupid PB and find another genre book with Robert as the name so it'll be equal, 5-5, and then you won't have to cancel my edits. I'll respond when I'm done if I'm successful. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:58, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Done. I entered Cupid and also Blossom Culp and the Sleep of Death. Bob 5, Robert 5. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:45, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::I've approved the edits. We can revisit this again if the ratio of the names gets too out of wack. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:05, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Edit for Dark Cities Underground ==<br />
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You left a note about in your update to {{P|8781|Dark Cities Underground}} regarding the cover artist credit. A merge would not be appropriate in this instance. The COVERART for the {{P|284003|book club edition}} is the same title. If you have evidence that the book club edition is also credited as "Donato" then we could merge. I realize that it probably is credited thus, but I wouldn't want to change what another editor added unless I had seen evidence. You could have accomplished this merge through the advance search feature. However, what you want to do in this case is to import the title record {{T|743977}} into the trade publication and remove {{T|138845}} from the same publication. You'll also need to update the date of the Donato record. These edits can be done in any order, but I'd add an explanation in the moderator notes, so the approving moderator will know what's going on. Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:09, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ting Ling ==<br />
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At [[User talk:Zapp#Vernon Bowen]], you mention a Dodd, Mead first edition --a mistake for David McKay(?). I have some notes on all four ''Ting Ling'' T{{t|2474271}} publications (eds/printings/publishers as well as author). Among other things, the Open Library book is wrongly identified (WorldCat and ISFDB) as the 1966 Young Readers Press, but it's the 1969-10 2nd printing.<br />
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I'm not sure whether I should be able to find your submissions in the queue. Its a busy weekend so I'll wait. If you did create a "Dodd, Mead" then as self-approver I should be able to complete a manual merge, in effect.<br />
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I see that Archive.org mis-catalogs the David McKay as 1966 Katonah NY: Young Readers. Do you have any experience with correction of such data? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 13:04, 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Oh yeah, David McKay, sorry, both start with D. M. https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5609262 is my first submission followed by 5609270, 5609272, 5609276. I think those are all the ones I did concerning this book. I would assume you probably have to be a member of Open Library or something to fix errors, of which there are countless on that site. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:47, 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Open Library cover discrepancy ==<br />
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For the 7th printing ''Dragon's Milk'' by Susan Fletcher P{{p|198429}}, we have OL front cover image (covers.openlibrary.org) of a copy from publication series "Aladdin Fantasy". Half of my long publ Note concerns this problem. But the book scanned has otherwise identical cover that shows "Aladdin Fiction". Do we/you have a way to use cover images from OL/archive.org ebooks rather than from coveres.openlibrary.org? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 13:11, 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I think you mean right-clicking the Archive.org image, https://archive.org/search?query=fletcher+dragon%27s-milk, "save image as", and then upload the image to our Wiki (either there'll already be one uploaded by someone else, in which case yours will replace the old one and then you go to the book's record and hit CTRL-F5 and the new image will appear, or there'll be no image previously uploaded, in which case after you upload yours you click the image link at the bottom and then enter it in the image field of the book's record in an edit and approve it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:52, 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks. It seems to me that that is what I mean :--)<br />
:: I was not aware that Archive.org generates a gallery of front covers (or first images in sets that make a book), only the Covers.OpenLibrary.org. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:37, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Boris Dolgov ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5607016 this submission]. According to Darkworlds Quarterly, the man on the right is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?21111 Maxfield Parrish] and the photograph was taken by [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?609 Hannes Bok]. Look [https://darkworldsquarterly.gwthomas.org/boris-dolgov-weird-tales-artist/ here]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:06, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Moderator note ==<br />
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Regarding your question [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5608266 here]. This is not how I would have entered it. I would have made the Pages field: xii+[2]+252 and the page number for the title in question [1]. Whether I'm mistaken or standards have changed since January 2012, I can't say. Regardless, discuss it with Ron before submitting any changes. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]]<br />
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== Still Life ==<br />
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Did you consider changing the cover art credit [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33246 here]? The credit on the back cover is hard to read but it appears to be 'Peter Jones'. Not 'Peter Andrew Jones'. What do you think? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:06, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Doll ==<br />
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After looking at the archive.org scan of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?942823 The Doll] you provided, I think we should change the content title length to novelette. I would estimate under 10,000 words, certainly under 17,500. What do you think? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:11, 24 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Yes, I counted 34 text pages and there's wide margins, so you're probably right. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:13, 24 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Leavings ==<br />
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Re: your publication note [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20082 here]. It is not uncommon for author's to date introductions, forewords, acknowledgements, etc. We ignore that date. They are dated as of first publication, no different than how we handle cover art. It's okay to mention the dates in a note, but I recommend removing any indications that this somehow makes the publication date unclear. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:34, 25 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I wrote it because the book says 1998. Essay dates and date entered on ISFDB are all different months in 1997. So the date really is unclear; editor entered it from Locus which is unreliable at best. It's possible that this small-press publisher didn't have a proofreader and just goofed and typed date as 1998 instead of 1997 twice on the copyright page. EDIT: On a related note, the other book by the publisher on ISFDB, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?7110, is a retitled reprint of a 1994 book, has a 1995 title date on ISFDB, a June 1997 date for the edition entered by someone, and a 1996 date for the non-preview copy on Google Books. So dates are guesswork at best. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:48, 25 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Multi Part Edits ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5626703 this submission] which is changing the title field of a publication. The problem is that by doing so, the publication title will no longer match the title in the title record {{T|2125736}}. There is no note to the moderator indicating that you intend to do the rest of the work required for this change, i.e. unmerge the newly created title, make the variant relationship, and adjust the dates of the title records, if necessary. This is similar to the issue created by your recent submission that created data inconsistencies that we discussed in [[ISFDB:Community Portal#E. Borgese|this thread]. Perhaps you missed my latest response where I gave you instructions on how to finish that edit since you stated your were having problems understanding what still needed to be done. My fear is that you are ignoring the response and are refusing to complete that edit. If you are refusing to complete multi step edits, please refrain from entering the first step. If you intend to complete the full edit, please indicate that you will do so in the notes to the moderator. I see that you occasionally add something like "contents need to be imported". I've read that as indicating your intent to do that work after that approval, but it's worded as if you want someone else to do the work for you. For these two edits, please let me know whether you intend to complete them so I know how to proceed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:54, 7 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Same issue with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5626998 this edit] (also holding) --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:00, 7 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::It's been a few days and you have not responded to this inquiry, aside form cancelling the held edits. I see that you've reissued [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5631240 one] of them, but unfortunately, it makes the record worse than your original edit. Aside from not updating the title of the book, you've added an introduction with the incorrect title in the disambiguator. I know that you know that the title should be "Winter Children & Other Chilling Tales" based on your previous edit. I don't understand why you decided that it would be better to maintain this record with an inaccurate title. I know that you know how to do all of the follow up edits that are required here. You know how to update the title publication (your previous edit). After that's done you need to unmerge this publication from the others with the alternate title. I've seen you submit unmerge edits before. Then you just need to make the other title (Winter Children and Other Chilling Tales) a variant of the newly created title. Again, you have submitted many make variant edits in the past. Lastly, you'll need to update the date on the variant title (again, you've made many such edits previously). If you need further details on any part of this process, I or other editors are always happy to help. I'm going to have to reject the new edit as it introduces new erroneous data. I can unreject the two edits that you cancelled. I just want your assurance that you are going to complete the edits that you had started. We're also still waiting for your response to [[ISFDB:Community Portal#E. Borgese|this thread]] which is a similar issue, and where I gave you step by step instructions on how to complete that edit. Is there something in those instructions that you aren't understanding and that I can explain more clearly? Please let us know how you wish to proceed with these edits. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:32, 10 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Well, I'll be honest with you, as I explained in a recent message to you my mind is going rapidly, I also have very little interest in doing this anymore, I see only Vasha77 in edit history for Winter Children so I have nothing connected to that one, I see an edit from me where I added price and corrected name in the Borgese book which I don't even have any recollection of doing, somebody named Zapp who likes to variant stuff made it a variant of the parent name, so I'd suggest you or someone else can work further on her book or dive into Winter Children if you wish, as always it will bother me that others will get credit for work that probably never would have been done if I hadn't found the info in the first place but, as I said, I'm really not capable of handling anything complicated anymore; soon I may not be able to handle anything. Sorry; maybe I shouldn't have started on those 2 books in the first place and should just ignore those kinds of changes if I find any in the future. I do have 625 pending edits, though, most of which I'm sure are approvable, so there's that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:53, 10 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Citadel ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5640087 this submission]. I see you informed the verifier that you were adding a cover scan. However, the author on the cover differs from the author in the publication record. Please work with [[User:Hifrommike65|Hifrommike65]] to determine whether that is the correct cover for this edition, or whether the author is in error, or if there is a discrepancy in the author credit between the cover and the title page. If the latter, that should probably be noted. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:49, 1 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== If I Were an Evil Overlord ==<br />
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I've placed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5560276 this submission] on hold as I don't see any attempt to contact the two PVs, both of who are active on the site. Please let me know once they've been contacted and responded regarding this edit. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:03, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Okay, I did find [[User talk:GlennMcG#Evil Overlord / Human For A Day|your attempt]] to contact one of them. I don't see the other one, though, and I don't see any response. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:04, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Human for a Day ==<br />
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Same with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5560285 this submission]: I can see an attempt to contact one of the PVs, but not the other active one. Please contact the other and follow up with Glenn. Let me know when they've checked their copies. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:09, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Anthony Shriek ==<br />
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I've placed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5562382 this submission] on hold as you didn't provide a reason for the name change. Please provide one. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:11, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Because that's the full title of the original Dell edition, entered by me, as you can see if you look at the book's edit history. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:10, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I can see that you edited it (three times, I believe), but I can't see what was changed because you didn't include any notes and the current ISFDB doesn't show diffs. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:32, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::There's a link in the record to the Archive.org scan of the Dell edition which shows the title page with the full title. Only other edition I see is Centipede but PV Chavey seems barely here these days so getting him/her to check title page is tough; certainly the parent title should be the full one, though. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:35, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Neighboring Lives ==<br />
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I've placed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5572626 this submission] on hold as I show no attempt to contact the PV, who is active on the site. Please let me know once you've done that and they've responded. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:14, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Playboy Book of Science Fiction ==<br />
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I've placed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5574734 this submission] on hold as I can see no attempt to contact the active PV. Please let me know once you've contacted them and gotten a response. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:16, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cosmic Cocktails ==<br />
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I've placed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5575083 this submission] on hold as I can see no attempt to contact the active PV. Please let me know once you've contacted them and gotten a response. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:17, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Swordplay ==<br />
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I've placed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5575100 this submission] on hold as I can see no attempt to contact the active PVs. Please let me know once you've contacted them and gotten a response. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:19, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Warning re: the last exchange with Willem H. on the Community Portal ==<br />
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Re: your last response to [[User:Willem H.]] on the Community Portal, please note that "your meds ran out or something" is a personal attack. They are not allowed as per [[ISFDB:Policy#Blocking_Policy]] and are handled as follows:<br />
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Personal attacks that are not obscene:<br />
*1st offense - a canned warning on the user's Talk page<br />
*2nd offense - a 24 hour block<br />
*3rd offense - a week long block<br />
*4th offense - an indefinite block<br />
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Since this is the first offense, please consider this note a warning. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:55, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:In the time it took you to write that you could have been figuring out a way to organize the existing mods or recruit some new ones so that there wouldn't be a situation where I have just shy of ONE THOUSAND edits pending plus a few hundred edits from various other editors. Threatening me with a block on a site I haven't really wanted to be on for a long time is amusing. I seem to remember you did that once before long ago when one of the other editors hacked my page and someone, I believe this same Willem guy, thought one of my messages to the hacker was personal and whined to you about it but you apparently never felt the need to block the hacker because they're still editing; I'm pretty sure if this was a real workplace and I got hacked they would have been fired immediately or worse. I've had trouble with Willem from my first message to him a few years ago and a few times since and had let him know more than once that he should stop being angry and just answer me without any problems and just when I thought he had calmed down and was answering my questions/fixing wrong info sort of properly he suddenly got bristly again so I said what I had to say. If you think that's personal that's your perception. I live in New York; wherever you live may be some pleasant place where people discuss their problems over lattes when they're not crying about climate change but here in Hell we don't play around. In the future I think it will be better if I just cancel any edits where there's the slightest disagreement because who knows when the next problem child will come along. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:57, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: As per the linked Policy, personal attacks are not allowed and will result in escalating penalties as listed above. None of the issues raised in your response -- the number of pending submissions, the fact that your User page was vandalized in June 2021, your history of disagreements with Willem H, etc -- change that.<br />
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:: Re: the 2021 instance of vandalism, the offender [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rosab618#Text_posted_on_Username.27s_User_page was given a warning and promised not to do it again], a promise that she has kept.<br />
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:: Re: the number of your pending submissions, not all moderators are willing to work on your submissions due to your history with them. Back in 2021 [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Username#Surrounded I wrote]:<br />
::* you are a relatively new contributor, so moderators are more likely to make allowances, but eventually they will become less likely to work on your submissions, which will affect the approval time.<br />
:: which is what ended up happening. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:52, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::Hacking someone's personal page is far more egregious than a sarcastic comment about meds; one is rude, the other can easily get you fired or arrested depending on where and to whom it's done. Because ISFDB is just some online card catalog nothing happened; try doing that at a real business and see what happens to you. Re: the number of pending edits, you can easily search and find numerous complaints on ISFDB pages stretching back many years before I started here about the slowness of edits being approved, but since the recent server move things have gotten much worse. I have a few dozen old edits that have been sitting for a long time because something or other wasn't clear and so they just get approved now and then by random mods, but the vast majority of the nearly ONE THOUSAND pending edits were done within the last month and most of them are perfectly approvable. So the problem isn't my "history" with mods because that comes and goes with some getting mad and going away for a while and then starting to approve again while others have just quit because of their problems with other mods or the site in general. Honestly, in reading old threads on this site, many of the current and former occupants seem to be...unstable, with some of them using the F word and the like because they disagree about the length of some old pulp story and many who quit still holding grudges against people they disagreed with years ago. So I suggest that whoever is running this site come up with a plan to handle the queue because since I started editing a few years ago the number of edits has increased exponentially with my list more often than not being longer than every other editor on ISFDB combined and the mod structure as it stands right now can't handle the volume adequately. As I said above, from now on I'll solve this problem by cancelling any of my edits that mods have a problem with; I do so many every day that losing a few won't make a dent. That's one of the good things about having no desire to be a self-moderator and only doing this to pass the time; I don't have to pretend to be friends with anyone. Or I may just stop doing this entirely; I'm physically and mentally in bad shape, New York is one of the worst places to live in the country right now, and World War III may be coming soon, so I, and possibly you and everyone else editing on ISFDB, may have much bigger problems to worry about than this nonsense. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:01, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: "Hacking" covers a variety of state and federal crimes. It has a complex definition which has changed over time -- see [https://www.justice.gov/criminal/file/442156/download this PDF file created by the Department of Justice] for a discussion. What happened to your User page in June 2021 was vandalism, not hacking. Another user edited your page using her own account; she didn't break into your account.<br />
:::: Re: "I don't have to pretend to be friends with anyone", the current policy doesn't disallow being abrasive. It does disallow personal attacks and imposes escalating penalties for their use as linked above. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:05, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Introduction for The Ultimate Alien ==<br />
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The software is forcing a rejection of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5632434 this submission]. The problem is it's merging a variant with its parent, and the merged result would have the parent be a variant of itself. That arrangement is not valid, and so the submission cannot be accepted. I can't tell if there was a note on the submission that's not being presented. Did you really mean to merge these two, or did you mean to do something else? Given that someone went to the trouble to make a variant, it seems likely the piece is titled differently in the different pubs. Looks like we have active verifiers who could confirm/deny. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 16:43, 7 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Extra ==<br />
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Neither one of the covers in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5650584 this submission] are correct. The present cover looks like the ebook cover. The cover you are trying to link is the pb. Open library has the hc cover. Resubmit and I'll approve it. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:59, 12 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Webs of Discord ==<br />
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Hi Username -<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5650361 this submission]. There are several steps that will be required to complete the addition of this publication after it is approved. I know that you have been uncomfortable in the past in dealing with multi-step edits, and I wanted to ensure that you intended to complete the additional steps before this is approved. First off, you'll need to add the contents for the stories. You could have done this in the initial edit, at least for those stories that are not already in the database. For the others that already have title records, you either could have added them manually and then merged each after the edit is approved. Alternatively, you can import the existing records after the COLLECTION record is created. Secondly, since this collection is published under an alternate name, you'll need to make the title record a variant of a new title record with the canonical name. You'll also need to do this for each of the newly added titles. For those titles where the parent title already exists (e.g. {{T|3038297|The XX Agent}}, you'll need to make the new title a variant of the existing canonical title. For those where a parent does not yet exist, you'll need to create a new title as the parent under the canonical name. Please let me know if you intend to complete this submission with the additional edits. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:12, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Hard Rejects ==<br />
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Hi Username -<br />
Just letting you know that I've had to do hard rejects on a number of submissions. Apparently they are trying to merge a title that was deleted subsequent to your edit. Please check the XML for these ones and check if the titles look OK. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:11, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I guess JLaTondre did them himself and beat me to it, him being a mod and able to approve his own edits instantly. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:14, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I'm encountering more edits of yours today that require hard rejects. Again, you can check the raw XML for these and inspect the titles to see if they look OK. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:50, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Looks like JLaTondre again; one of the perks of being a mod, no waiting. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:01, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Time Bride ==<br />
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I'm holding your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5658630 submission] for ''Time Bride''. I just want to make sure that you intend to import the novelette after this is approved. If it isn't imported, this will show up on a cleanup report as a CHAPBOOK without contents. I'll also note that if you manually add the contents on a new chapbook, and then merge the newly created title with the existing one, after the first edit is approved, it's more clear what your intentions are. Either way, it's a two step edit. Additionally, you can always add your intentions to finish the edit in the note to the moderator. Many others do it that way. Let me know whether you intend to submit the second part of this. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:44, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Yes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:46, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Great. Approved. You can proceed to finish the edit. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:00, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::My edit importing the story has been sitting around for a week and Zapp came along and added the story today as if it were new so I don't know, something needs to be done, merge or something. EDIT: Now I see Zapp added a 1986 audio edition, apparently there was at least one earlier than the one I entered, but he still hasn't seemed to notice the short story is actually already there from 1983. Maybe he will at some point. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:31, 29 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Spawn of Hell ==<br />
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The original image linked to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?696408 Spawn of Hell] was the result of cloning a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?287310 later printing]. The later printing was from an unknown year so the software appended 0000 [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:SPWNFHLLVX0000.jpg here]. The editor should have removed the image link from the submission. When you uploaded the image for the 1984 publication, it appended 1984 with this [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:SPWNFHLLPR1984.jpg result]. Your edit correctly linked the new image. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:06, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bruce Campbell Biography ==<br />
I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5662375 this submission] that you submitted as I'm not sure it is eligible for inclusion here. I started [[ISFDB:Community Portal#Bruce Campbell Biography|a discussion]] on the community portal. Please chime in there if you have thoughts on its eligibility. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:46, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Grey Star the Wizard ==<br />
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Hi Username -<br />
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Could I get you to double check your verified copy of {{P|16028|Grey Star the Wizard}}? Our records have the author's as Ian Page and Joe Dever. However, the notes indicate copyrights suggesting the text is by Page with Dever as co-responsible for the concept. Does the title page list them both as authors? If not, please remove Dever as an author from both the publication and title records. I'm in the process of adding the first edition by Page alone. Depending on your research, I'll either merge or make your title a variant as appropriate. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:29, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Done. Title page says "Written by Ian Page", "Edited by Joe Dever", "Illustrated by Paul Bonner". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:10, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks! I've approved your edit and merged the titles. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:53, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::So the cover declaration doesn't matter? [[User:AndonSage|AndonSage]] ([[User talk:AndonSage|talk]]) 02:05, 28 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Hi Gary - First off, I'm sorry I didn't ask you as well. Your verification shows your last activity 2020-04-30, so I assumed you had left the project. I do see that you have wiki edits from last year, but the last activity date doesn't capture those. As to your question, our standards are to go by what is on the title page rather than the cover. In this case, because Dever is listed as the editor, he should not be listed as an author. It would be fine add to the notes that he edited the book and you could even use the <nowiki>{{A|author name}}</nowiki> template which would link to his bibliography. Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:56, 28 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Just a note that there's a single copy of this on Archive.org, an 11th printing with a $4.50 price which just says Berkley Books. Copyright page says "Berkley edition / October 1994" so they kept reprinting these books for many years, it seems. EDIT: There's also a 2nd printing of War of the Wizards. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:25, 28 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Thanks for the explanation :) I haven't left the project, I check in most days. I just haven't entered any new book information in a very long time due to switching over to Kindle e-books. [[User:AndonSage|AndonSage]] ([[User talk:AndonSage|talk]]) 15:00, 28 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Monsters: Three Tales ==<br />
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Will you be importing the three titles [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?953386 here]? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:43, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Done. One story has a later date so possibly original to the cassette? Also, I added catalog ID to another cassette by them using note written by someone long ago but can't find ID for Dark Dixie. A sampler with ST100 is on eBay so it's likely ST101 or 102 or 103; seems to be a K. K. Rusch collection and a Matthew Costello collection, too, which can be entered at some point. That rotten Sutphen HC annoys me, because an editor entered contents after I made an edit but I doubt most of them are genre, just a publisher collecting whatever junk he wrote because he owned the company. Likely crime stories and stuff like that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:56, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: We'll show it as original until an earlier publication date surfaces. I don't doubt your guess re: sexpunks. If you come across anything definitive, we can remove titles. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:15, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?187809; Several hours after my edit adding ID I looked at this again and I have several questions. Cover artist is very unlikely to be the same guy who wrote a couple of horror stories who in turn is probably not the same guy who wrote a couple of stories 40 years later. Note says stories are numbered in order but WorldCat has a different order. Making run time into the number of pages seems wrong to me but another editor did the same for one of the other cassettes by the publisher on ISFDB. Why are the narrators in the contents as having done interior art? Cover is an unstable "G" image but I can't find a current Amazon image to replace it with. Maybe someone can answer one or all of these questions and they'll fix a few things. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:36, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Shadow on the Moon publication month ==<br />
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In your publication note addition on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5663685 this submission], you indicate "it is the publication month", but you give no reasoning to back this claim. I was able to see the "3" as indicated on the copyright page, but nothing in the book indicates this is referring to the month of publication. Please let me know how you arrived at this conclusion. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:01, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Same thing for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5663686 this submission]. As they are both from the same publisher, is there some page somewhere that explains the number is the month of publication? Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:03, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5663687 This one], too. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:04, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Because in every PV Lenox Hill book, most by Dragoondelight with a couple by Don Erikson, there is a note saying that the number on the copyright page is the month. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:07, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Okay, thank you. Please include details like that in future moderator notes. That will speed up the process. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:15, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Blood Wish month of publication ==<br />
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In [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5664886 this submission], you cite Wikipedia as the source for the month of publication in the expanded note you added. However, the Wikipedia entry doesn't have any citations for that information, so the information is suspect. Do you have any other sources for the month of publication? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:09, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:You mean the Wikipedia page that says Blood Wish (October 2007) on it? I see it clearly. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:12, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yes, but that entry on that page (and, in fact, that entire page in this case) has no citation where they got that information. Wikipedia, by itself, is not a good source. If the fact being cited on the Wikipedia page has a citation there, then we can use that citation to back up the information here. Just because something is on Wikipedia doesn't make it fact. We need a solid source for that information. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:18, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I've done a search on Google for possible sources, and the sources I've found vary widely on the publication date. Some give only the year, a few give January 2007, one gives a 2012 date, but I can't find any that give an October 2007 date. The only thing most places agree on is 2007 being the year it was published. I'll go ahead and reject this submission and change the date to just 2007 for now. Unless we can find a more specific date from a reliable source, we shouldn't be guessing on the month. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:27, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Some editor named Zapp said they got the month from en.wikipedia.org; I specified which Wikipedia page the info is actually on. Go ask Zapp if they're still around or ask RTrace why he approved Zapp's edit; maybe he knows the date. The only hit on Google for "october-2007" "blood-wish" is Wiki and a couple of pages that got their info from Wiki; if you really want another source McBride mentions Blood Wish is "available right now" on a page dated December 10, 2007; http://www.darkscribemagazine.com/feature-interviews/the-science-of-michael-mcbride.html. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:31, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::I've added an additional note with a link to the interview. If you find anything more definitive, we can definitely add it. Thanks for digging. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:39, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::OK, but now numbering is out of order (1,2,4,3,5,6) because there's no month. I would have stuck to Wikipedia because for someone to enter exact dates for these hard-to-find limited editions they probably had the info but whatever. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:56, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::If you mean on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?10043 this page], just click on the "Sort by series number" link directly above the table and it will sort them according to series number (as shown [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?10043+2 here]). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:06, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Eden Mystery publisher ==<br />
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I've placed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5665010 this submission] on hold as you're trying to change the publisher to one not on the title page. The title page states only "Linford", so (if anything) it should be only "Linford". The copyright page states "Linford" again, along with "F. A. Thorpe". Where does the "Ulverscroft" part come from in your submission? I can't see that name anywhere. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:46, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I just cancelled it. In looking at it I think I capitalized first word in note, removed unneeded slash from end of Archive.org link, and fixed publisher. 2 were just cosmetic fixes and the publisher change I think is correct but I'm not willing to argue about it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:00, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Rising Sun ==<br />
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I'm disappointed you didn't discuss [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5672100 this submission] with me. Your sole basis for the cover art credit is my publication note. Obviously I don't feel a simple photograph used by the cover designer should be credited as cover art. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:57, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:There's an easy fix for that; the cover credit can be removed in another edit, although your (?) note has a credit for design by a guy and another for Hayden's photograph, photographs being art per ISFDB rules. If you don't believe it should be in this edition then the other credit in the Dutch edition should be removed, too, except for the fact that a note there, likely written by you since you're the only one in edit history, says "cover art"; it should also be removed from Concrete Island since a note in one of the editions with her cover says "design" and likely Crash is design, too, and should also be removed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:12, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: The note I wrote on the foreign edition was a secondhand source (their wording). Notice, I did not add the cover art credit there. I believe photographs are left to the judgement of the verifier. However, I'll leave your edit intact. Please communicate with me in the future, I'm here almost every day. Thanks [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:26, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I'm confused. The reason I added cover art to the English-language edition was because I saw the same cover on the Dutch edition and wanted to add where that cover originally came from. The artist is credited for cover art in the Dutch edition and you're the sole editor in the history; didn't you enter it? I'm referring to 1999 Dutch, not 1994. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:32, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: An editor of your experience should be able to look at [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4989672 this submission] and see that I added the month of publication and a note where it came from, period. The publication was entered and all subsequent changes were made before we had access to edit history. Look at [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4989669 the submission] to the first edition preparing it to be Primary Verified. You might notice my note to moderator, "I'm not giving cover art credit". I was curious why the Dutch publication had a cover art credit. As long as I was looking at it, 8 minutes later I submitted the change you see above. Hopefully, that clears up your confusion. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:24, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Sort of. It's all a hopeless mess, anyway, because as can be seen here, https://www.deboekenplank.nl/naslag/aut/c/crichton_m.htm, Hayden's credit translates as "cover illustration". I enter credits for photographs because that is artistic work but I make sure to identify them as photos in the notes (I see I did so for the last book in Hayden's record); there are thousands and thousands of cover credits here that should not have been entered over the years because they say design in the books but there are also thousands and thousands of artists credited with design who signed their names and thus were also responsible for the art. I doubt anyone here is ever going to do the monumental task of identifying and removing cover credits where the person just did the design; it probably is impossible to ascertain for many of those books, anyway, especially the older ones. Very minor issue, anyway, considering there's probably hundreds of Crichton editions that still haven't been entered or have incomplete or wrong info here even though he died nearly 15 years ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:32, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Earth Abides ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5679458 this edit] identifying the existing record as the 16th printing. I can't find anything in the scan to indicate that the 16th printing was issued August 1977. The existing record states that the data is from {{P|266003|Locus #205}} which is verified by [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]. You could try reaching out to him to see if there is enough data in Locus to match the existing record with the scan of the 16th printing. If not, I don't think we can assume that they are the same, and you should clone the record to make one for the 16th printing. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:54, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Date for ''The Face of the Lion'' ==<br />
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Hi. What's the source of the date in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5672954 this submission]? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:33, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It's the day entered in the title record and there's no earlier edition. I see certain Amazon sites use the day, too, so I assume that's where previous editor got it from. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:51, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Ah, thanks. Amazon currently says 1976-01-01 (which of course doesn't mean anything). I found pictures of the interior, and the book says just 1976. I think I'm going to change the records to year-only and move the more complete date to the notes. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 16:55, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::OK. This, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_publisher&O_2=contains&TERM_2=cape&USE_3=author_canonical&O_3=contains&TERM_3=john+blackburn&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication], shows that several have months entered from Amazon UK by one or more editors; the only one I trust is Household Traitors because the month was entered from a proof copy by...me. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:14, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Journey to Another Star and Other Stories ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5682784 this submission] of yours. The problem is that by changing the credit of "The Good Old Days" from Jack M. Dann to Jack Dan will result in a title that is a variant of an identical title. I can approve this edit if you agree to merge the two titles after it is approved, which will fix the problem that your edit will create. Ideally, that should have been done before your other changes were submitted. Let me know whether you agree to do the second part of this edit. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:48, 12 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I cancelled the edit and did it over minus the stupid note about the logo because all these Lerner SF books have the same thing, it's not unique to this one. I started another edit merging "The Good Old Days" and making Jack Dann the name but it gave me a message about something that can't be a parent title of itself. I assume when merging that the parent record number chosen should be the blank one, not the one with the number, right? Is that what that message means? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:27, 12 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yes, I believe that's the meaning of that message. The parent ID is for one of the records you're merging. Because you're collapsing them into a single record under the canonical name, there is no need for a parent ID and as you guessed, you should select the blank one. Let me know if you have any further issues with the merge. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:02, 12 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cover for De beste sf-verhalen van de King Kong award 1977, deel 2 ==<br />
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I had to do a hard reject of your edit to make {{T|3176596|De beste sf-verhalen van de King Kong award 1977}} into a variant of the cover for the Da Vinci Code. I cleaned up the proposed parent record which made your edit invalid. However, I was intending to reject your edit anyway. The problem is that the cover you were making into a variant has two artists: Leonardo Da Vinci and Tais Teng. The fact that the cover art was either altered enough to be a posthumous collaboration or whether Teng contributed separate elements that were combined for the new cover, makes it effectively a different work than Da Vinci's painting and we can't really make it a variant. If we were to do so, it would show up because Teng is not an alternate name for Da Vinci (which it shouldn't be, of course). You could certainly add a note or even a link to the other title, but we shouldn't do a variant. Also, just to let you know the edit I did was to remove a coverart record for the original painting. There was a recent discussion where the consensus was that we should not have records for paintings. Hope this explains what went on. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:38, 13 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Terminal Man ==<br />
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The archive scan you attached to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?838258 this printing] appears to be from another edition/printing. This note, "The purple endpapers have three different labeled diagrams of the human brain", isn't reflected in the attach scan. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:10, 13 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Removed when approved. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:13, 13 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Box: Tales from the Darkroom cover image ==<br />
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Whilst clicking through approvals for my latest batch of broken Amazon images, I inadvertently replaced the openlibrary image [you submitted a few days ago from openlibrary.org, only realizing after I'd approved my edit. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5688961 The two images are visibly different] - the Amazon one is lighter, and the openlibrary one has a grey box above the T in "The". <br />
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Google Image Search found [https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=8736040284&searchurl=fe%3Don%26ds%3D5%26sortby%3D1%26tn%3Dbox%2Btales%2Bdarkroom%26an%3Dgunter%2Bgrass&cm_sp=snippet-_-srp1-_-title2#&gid=1&pid=1 this photo of the real book], which looks closer to the Amazon image than the openlibrary one, but I'll revert to the latter if you want.<br />
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The archive.org links you added in the same edit remain as they were. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 10:49, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:You're right, Amazon image is better. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:53, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Krilov Continuum ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5691914 this edit] to change the author of ''The Krilov Continuum'' from "James Lovegrove" to "J. M. H. Lovegrove". The edit is good, but will require two additional steps to complete. You'll need to un-merge this publication from the title record for "James Lovegrove". Since there is already a title record for "J. M. H. Lovegrove", you'll then need to merge the newly created title record to that one. Please confirm that you will submit the additional edits and I can approve the first step. I'll also mention that when other editors do this sort of multi-step edit, they will mention in the moderator notes that they intend to do the required next steps. Doing that will allow moderators to approve without checking that you understand the subsequent edits that are required. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:41, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Steel Spring ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5702323 your edit] to change the author credit for ''The Steel Spring''. This edit would created a discrepancy between the publication and title records. This would be fine if you intend to unmerge the publication from the title and then make the new title a variant in subsequent edits, but I see nothing in your notes stating that you intend to make the additional required edits. However, and more importantly, there is an active verifier for this publication and I do not see indication that you conferred with them before submitting this edit and that they agreed that your edit is correct. Please contact the other editor and if they agree, please let me know whether you intend to submit the additional edits after this one is approved. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:49, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I cancelled it and made another one adding just Archive.org link and LCCN. I left Crazy a note that they should change count to 188 and change author's name to Peter but I don't expect a response because they've responded to nothing on their page, starting in 2021, including a previous message by me. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:02, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Adventures of Chitty Chitty Bang Bang ==<br />
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I approved your edits updating {{P|419847|The Adventures of Chitty Chitty Bang Bang}}. The page count you updated would indicate that this publication is too short to be a novel and this change will cause it show up on a cleanup report. You should convert the publication to a CHAPBOOK. The best way to do this is to first update the {{T|1606813|title record}}, changing it from novel to shortfiction. After that is approved, you would update the publication record, changing the type of the publication record to CHAPBOOK and adding a new content record also of type CHAPBOOK with the same title and author. It has to be done in these two steps because there are some form level edits that prevent changing the novel content record (as I recall). Please ask if you have any problems doing these edits. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:36, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Changed to shortfiction. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:49, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Approved. You can proceed with the next edit. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:06, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I think I did it right; done. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:13, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::You did. It looks good and we caught it before it could show up on the cleanup report. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:18, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Robin Bennett ==<br />
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After realizing that you were crediting all the Robin Bennett titles to Robin Bennett (I), there was no need for the erroneous alternate name. I just broke the alternate and merged Robin Bennett & Robin Bennett (I). That's why you see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5708751 this one] rejected. Intended to reject [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5708752 this one] but approved it by accident. Subsequently corrected. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?159608 Here] is the result. Sorry about any confusion. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:43, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cover art ID ==<br />
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Hey! How did you ever identify [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:Screen_Shot_2022-11-10_at_11.05.35_PM.png this] (the signature on the cover of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6612 Changing Places]) as the signature of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?86329 Randy Hamblin]? Great job! It's a relief. I thought no one had noticed that I'd asked. But really, how did you ID it? —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 22:30, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Honestly, when I looked at this just now I thought this was an old edit of mine from last year or longer ago but I see that I entered it barely a month ago. I assume I took the first letter of the first and last names and searched for Scholastic artists with those initials. That's my best guess. I didn't leave a note to moderator for some reason so it's hard to say. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:59, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Well, thanks. [[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 15:25, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Projections (cover) ==<br />
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Is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3208107 this cover] credited to Meltzer, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?26331 Davis Meltzer]? If so, go ahead and submit the necessary edits. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:58, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Hard Rejects for Malcolm for President ==<br />
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I had to hard delete two of your edits for ''Malcolm for President''. As a result of [[ISFDB:Community Portal#Malcolm for President|this discussion]] we determined that the title was not eligible for inclusion in the database. Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:49, 19 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Maverick Moon ==<br />
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# Temp hold on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5714020 this one] Which [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?207 series] do you want to put it in?<br />
# Re: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1854167 this one]; Is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?11 Star Wars] the right series? <br />
Also. Should these be marked juvenile? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:00, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I removed series from title of Maverick Moon because that's SOP; many books in the early days, some even in latter days, had series included in book titles when Fixer or whatever it used to be called just trawled Amazon and entered stuff verbatim. So when I see series in titles I get rid of them. I believe these books are already part of a series/pub. series on ISFDB as most Star Wars books are and if they aren't I wouldn't be the one to decide which of the many subsets they belong to because most are PV and changing anything angers people sometimes. Juvenile is relative, adults read these, too, so unless it says specifically in the book that it's for a certain age group I don't think they should be juvenile. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:21, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Greybeards at Play ==<br />
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I rejected [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5714773 this one]. The canonical title always carries the earliest publication date. Even in this situation, where the title was originally published under what we call an alternate name. Think about the author's bibliography page and what it would reflect if I accepted your change. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:07, 24 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== I See a Long Journey (cover art) ==<br />
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Since [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/find_dups.cgi?109678 these] are not the same, we need do not merge warnings in the title notes. Otherwise, someone will merge them for sure. Let me know if you submit edits or prefer I take care of it. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:14, 3 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Done, I think. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:22, 3 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: That works. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:26, 3 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge and Other Stories ==<br />
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You need title notes in both or someone will merge them for sure. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:28, 8 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Author picture (fantlab) ==<br />
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What's up with all these fantlab edits? Are the old links going away.? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:01, 8 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The trailing stuff at the end of the URL is not needed, as I believe Annie told me a long time ago, so when I saw one of them randomly the other day I decided to do a search and get rid of all of them. There were only a very small number of them and some of them got updated by me with other stuff, too, so it's all good. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:08, 8 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Just curious. I'm sure you saw I already approved them [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:09, 8 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Portrait of Barbara ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5729867 your edit] to modify the title of a publication. This edit would create a discrepancy between the publication title and the title record. If your intention is to make the additional edits to make this change (unmerge and then make variant), I can approve this. In the future, you can include your intent to make the additional edits in the notes to the moderator, and we can just approve the edit without inquiring. Please let me know how you intend to proceed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:22, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Yeah, sure. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:30, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK, approved. You can proceed with the next edit. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:44, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ragged Maps ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_Talk:Mhhutchins Mhhutchins] has subsequently updated [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?937214 Ragged Maps] so these three [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5733897], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5733898], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5733899] should be cancelled. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:35, 22 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:OK, I deleted them, but doesn't the yellow warning that was implemented recently show up to let people know that someone else made edits before them? Because mine have been sitting around since 8/5 waiting for one of you to approve them and then Mhhutchins comes along more than 2 weeks later and just enters everything I did instead of approving my edits, which they could have done considering they're a mod. No offense, but I have to correct other people's edits constantly, including many of the moderators' edits, so I wonder if everything was entered correctly. Maybe someone should check. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:57, 22 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dungeons & Dragons: The Movie ==<br />
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Cancel and resubmit [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5737842 this one] with author name Neal Barret, Jr. (comma required) so all I have to do is make the name an alternate and variant the title. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:10, 24 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Other Aliens ==<br />
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Re: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5739567 this submission]. Why change only some of the pipe to page numbers? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:24, 25 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Because they're all essays/interviews, standard for me when I fix stuff in collections/anthologies where the fiction is uncertain (see someone's note); I do the non-fiction stuff and leave the rest alone. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:33, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Just to make sure I'm clear. You want to jumble the content titles because there is a note saying some of the title types could be wrong? Why not check the titles, clear the note, and replace all the pipes? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:48, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Never mind. I cancelled it and re-did it with just the archived link; RTrace was the one who entered the contents and the note so maybe now that there's a real copy to look at he'd like to verify all the contents and add the numbers. I'll ask him. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:54, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Reformation of St. Jules ==<br />
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FWIW, specific references into the the locusmag index constantly change. Your usual method of putting it in the note to moderator is best. I know you were were just updating the existing note. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:44, 27 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Circus of Dr. Lao ==<br />
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Take a second look at [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?968542 this one]. Price looks like 1.25. What do you think? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:30, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:You are correct. Price sticker which is front cover only in images added to other editions here is divided between front and back in this copy, 1 and 25. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:05, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== 31 Days ==<br />
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https://editablegifs.com/gifs/gifs/halloween-10/output.gif. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:58, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Best Stories of Thomas Burke ==<br />
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Will you be adding the contents to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?969016 this pub]? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:20, 4 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Probably not because today will be my last day editing here until October 1st (Halloween season). I usually don't like to enter numbers for older books unless I see an actual copy, usually on Archive.org, because sometimes contents pages are inaccurate. If you feel like entering them you can do that; maybe a copy will turn up someday and numbers can be verified. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:26, 4 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Shattered Mask ==<br />
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I agree with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5750006 your submission] that the art credit s/b 'Terese Neilsen'. Do you agree this is a simple misspelling that should be an alternate name for 'Terese Nielsen'? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:15, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I agree. EDIT: You fixed it but I noticed the following art credit for a Dragon issue says "only as" and uses her canonical name, which seems wrong. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:28, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Good catch. The parent title was corrected 2 years ago but the erroneous variant was never merged. Fixed now. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:51, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Pines ==<br />
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I'm holding your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5756035 submission] to add a disambiguator of "(excerpt)" to {{T|2071435|The Pines}}. Your note to the moderator asserts that it's an excerpt from the author's novel of the same name, but does not cite a source for this assertion. Miller/Contento, which ordinarily does identify excerpts, does not do so in this instance but instead lists it as a short story. Could you please let me know what your source is? Also, if we do proceed with this edit, excerpts are generally entered as SHORTFICTION without a length, so the short story length should be blanked as well. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:43, 15 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:https://richarddalbyslibrary.com/products/after-hours-volume-1-number-3-summer-1989; See copyright page (I assume I came across this long ago and it stuck in my head but I never got around to changing it until now; Dunbar's short story writing didn't start until 10 years later). Also, I noticed the art wasn't entered except for the cover but interior artists are mentioned on contents page and I saw a later issue on eBay that also mentions the artists so someone who's interested could probably cobble most or all of the issues from various online sources and add art credits. I checked all 25 issues and none of them have interior art credits and none are PV so it wouldn't need checking with anyone else to add those credits. There's also the issue of having to change starting page numbers by 1 for those stories that begin with an illustration and a lot of the stories don't have lengths because editors likely added contents for most or all of the issues from Locus/Philsp and they call very short stories "vignettes" and those often are not given lengths here. EDIT: I just added, in an edit, "excerpt" to Lisa Cantrell's "The Ridge" which is from her novel with a .jpg link to the contents page of that After Hours issue. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:40, 15 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Approved. I'll leave the interior art to you. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:38, 15 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I feel like I've said this before but print and/or online sources of information are totally unreliable so what Miller/Contento or anyone else says can't be trusted. Also, aren't you one of the magazine guys? Because whenever I add a story link you run through all the issues of the zine it appeared in and fix whatever needs fixing, sometimes doing almost nothing else for a couple of days. I'd think that many/all of the 25 issues missing any credit for the artwork would be something that needed fixing (seems odd that no one ever noticed before me, apparently, since the magazine ended its run in 1995 just before this site was created). Makes no sense to leave it to me because I haven't been doing any new edits since Labor Day except for a very small amount that I felt needed doing (the few edits you rejected recently which I did over again, a couple of unstable cover replacements for books I PV, a few D. F. Lewis story links, and the excerpt edits mentioned above) and when I start again in October I'll have totally forgotten any of this and, hopefully, after Halloween I won't be doing any of this at all. But that's OK, I'll leave a message on Community Portal copy-and-pasting what I wrote above and I'm sure at least a few editors will be glad to get credit for adding a whole bunch of artists to these magazines, many of which were/are major figures in their field, assuming anyone actually bothers to respond. If nobody does it's no big deal because if anyone really cared they would have been added many years ago. Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:20, 15 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Bell of Nendrum ==<br />
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I'm holding your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5761871 submission] to add ''The Bell of Nendrum''. Reading the blurb on the back, it appears to be a historical novel. Do you have evidence that it contains supernatural or other genre elements? With only two novels listed, I wouldn't think that J. S. Andrews is above the threshold which would allow non-genre works. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:51, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The USA edition is on ISFDB and a note from someone says it was originally published in the UK under this title so I entered it. If it doesn't qualify then the other edition should be removed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:54, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK. I see it is listed in Reginald. I'll approve. Please make the US title into a variant of the original. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:05, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bogies conjunction ==<br />
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I realize it's an old submission, but for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5719018 this], where did you get "&"? I got a Google Books preview of the second edition to show me both the TOC and title page, and it is "Bogies Ancient and Modern" in both. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 17:50, 24 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I was very confused about this because I distinctly remembered using an actual copy of the old edition; turns out that edit was rejected, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5719001, months ago for something minor and I forgot about it. So since RTrace is "away" again maybe you can un-reject it and then add the one-sentence info he was complaining about being lost to the re-named publisher. Re: this story it's spelled with an "and" on contents page and top of story's right-hand pages but with an "&" on story's title page in the old edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:39, 24 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Got it, thanks. I think I have it all fixed up now. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:07, 25 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== John Dequer ==<br />
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I accepted your submissions for the two different John [H.] Dequer credits. I made the assumption that each is the same person, and Google suggests "John H. Dequer" was how he was broadly known, so I made [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?369598 that] the canonical and made the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?369597 H-less one] be the alternate name. If you think that's wrong, please edit as you think appropriate, or let me know and I will do it. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:16, 15 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:OK. I'm adding a link about the author to his record now if you want to approve it; seems he was a shady character and a lot about him is not clear. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:20, 15 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I'm not sure if the author change review screen tells me about submissions accepted out of order the way the publications review screen does.... Did you mean to change the information I had dug up (see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5789909 this view]), or did we cross-post? If it was accidental, I can combine the info. If it was deliberate, that's ok. I'm certainly not up on which of these sort of sites is more (or less) authoritative than another. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 20:58, 15 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I just rejected mine and did it over, again adding the Blogspot link. Everything else would be yours so check to make sure everything you did is there. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:11, 15 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Done. Sorry about the extra work. Nice little find. Shady character, indeed! --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 15:18, 16 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ransom's / Gorman's "Anruf um Mitternacht" ==<br />
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Hello, Username! Can you please cancel your submissions regarding this publication / title? I just updated the records (and there's a translator credit if one uses the sources most valuable). Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:51, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I saw 2 of them with that title in my massive backlog of pending edits so I cancelled both. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:55, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Yeah, likely one for the title and one for the publication. Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 14:02, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Continuing discussion from Mavmaramis' talk page ==<br />
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While you may doubt whether Mavmaramis cares about long posts arguing about your perceived grievances, I make no such claim as to their state of mind. I wouldn't like it if editors did that on my talk page, so I'm moving my comments here.<br />
*Re: Contacting only one verifier when several are active.<br />
*:You stated that you you didn't ask Mavmaramis about the Eshbach book, because you could not determine whether they were active. I pointed out that the last activity date is visible with the verification. You then argued that that date isn't how you determine whether is someone is active, but rather, it's whether they respond to you in the wiki. <br />
*:Your definition of who is active is not workable. An editor is active if they've made edits whether they post in the Wiki or not. In this case Mavmaramis is the only other verifier for the book you asked me about. Mavmaramis' last edit was on 10/24, and they posted a response to a question from you on their talk page on 10/25. Yet, you stated "it's always confusing trying to remember who's still active". I see no reason to be confused. If a verifier has a recent date in their "Last User Activity Date", they are active and must be consulted before making substantive changes to the record. If you are making the edit, you must contact all of them. If you are asking a question, it's a good idea to ask all of them, especially if you are asking that the publication be changed. Asking only a single verifier, shifts the work of notifying others to the verifier that you asked.<br />
*Re: Whether editors will engage with you<br />
*:I am aware that multiple moderators have publicly stated they will no longer moderate your edits. I'm merely stating that it wouldn't surprise me if there are editors who will not respond to your posts on the Community Portal and other pages. It's not a matter of popularity. It's likely about avoiding interactions that are unpleasant.<br />
*Re: Using the canonical name for artists.<br />
*:I stated that it's "OK" and "acceptable" to use the canonical name for artists. Why you would think that I meant that it is required to do so escapes me. Especially since in the context of the original post to Mavmaramis, I stated that I was happy to change Fabian's credit and sought their agreement to do so.<br />
*Re: How many edits I moderate.<br />
*:You asserted that the velocity of my moderations has decreased. I questioned why you were tracking how many edits I moderate and you replied that your reason for tracking my moderations is because of how much you have to scroll when looking for a particular edit. <br />
*:There are over 20 moderators who have been active in the last month, yet any delay in moderating your edits is because of my velocity? You claim you have no interest in me, yet you make claims about about my rate of moderation. Both things can't be true. As to the edits of yours that I have skipped (and those are moderated insofar as I have to evaluate them find them unable to be approved), I've explained to you many times that they generally fall into two categories. You either neglect to get the assent of active verifiers, or you neglect to document your sources for the change in the moderator notes. While I post a question on your talk page, for each of these and then wait for you to respond (or more likely argue why you don't think you have to fix the problem), I simply don't have time or inclination do so, aside from the extra burden of having to track dozens (hundreds?) of conversations back to pending edits. If you find your edits languishing in the queue, maybe review them yourself and if they fall into these two categories, cancel the edit and reissue, seek approval from the verifiers, or reissue the edit with proper documentation.<br />
Hopefully, this addresses the points you raised. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:32, 28 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::There are, as of 9:15 this morning, 1,872 pending edits of which nearly 1,000 are mine. We need moderators to approve them in a timely manner. Some of you should figure out a way to do that. Also see this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/topcontrib.cgi, where I am #6 on the all-time list of Editors on ISFDB and, of the 5 ahead of me, 3 are inactive, 1 is deceased, and 1 is a robot. I am the most prolific ACTIVE editor in the 17 year history of public editing, https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Beta, on this site, and I've only been editing for less than 3 years. So my edits get approved one way or another; all I need is 2 mods, one to approve and another to step in if the first one is not available. I've had mods get angry and stop approving my edits before but they usually come back, sometimes leaving again after they disagree with other people on this site, so it makes no difference to me. You all had problems long before I got here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:28, 28 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Christmas Eve ==<br />
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https://images.wondershare.com/filmora/article-images/2021/day-after-xmas-meme1.jpg. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:10, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Night in Funland ==<br />
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I'm holding your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5805002 submission] to merge two title records for the story "Night in Funland". The issue is that this would change the spelling of the author's name in two verified publications. Please contact the verifiers and have them check the spelling. If it differs, then you would need to make a variant and adjust the date accordingly. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:05, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Vasha asked me about this back in 2017, and I thought it had been updated. I confirmed that Peden was correct. I can fix my pub [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 11:13, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:16, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Auric was the other PV, and he didn't respond back in 2018. I think we should accept the merge. [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 11:20, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::::I'm not really willing to release this hold until all of the active verifiers have weighed in, or been given a chance to do so. Whether or not [[User:Auric|Auric]] responded to a post 5 years ago isn't really material to this discussion. Please see [[Help:How to change verified publications|this help page]]. Per the note on Auric's talk page, we've been asked to be patient in waiting for a response. However, since Username failed to ask about Auric's publication prior to submitting this edit, nor after the edit was held, they haven't really had a chance to respond yet. They have responded to inquiries as recently as November 14 which is after this edit was submitted. Had the notification been made prior to the edit as should have been done, Auric likely would have responded by now. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:02, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::He'll likely respond like most PV do here, with total disinterest because they stopped caring about being an editor a long time ago, they can't get a hold of their copy because they're moving soon/just finished moving or they're going in hospital/just out of hospital, or "how dare you imply I made a mistake". I assume it'll be one of those. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:06, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::Auric has responded and we all agree that Peden is correct. Can we release the hold now, [[User:Rtrace|Ron]]? [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 11:42, 22 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::::I wouldn't hold my breath. The pending edits list is about to hit 3,000 (nearly 2,000 of which are mine) for I believe the first time ever since I started 3 years ago. The 9:30 pause this morning for updating also took longer than I can ever remember, nearly 20 minutes. I also notice more fake spam accounts lately that mods have to block which takes time and there was 1 apparently non-fake account the other day by someone whose name was the N-word. So, you know, things aren't going very well and all we can do is wait until they get back on course. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:19, 22 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::::Approved. Thanks for getting approvals from the verifiers. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:07, 22 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== A Muster of Ghosts ==<br />
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Regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5740959 this submission]: You state "Artist's signature on lower right of cover.", but there is no cover image. The Internet Archive scan does not have a cover image either. Do you have a source for the cover that we can link to or upload locally? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:48, 22 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Muster_of_Ghosts_II. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:50, 22 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:08, 22 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bloodwars ==<br />
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You gave no reason or any evidence as to why you are changing the publisher on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5737123 this submission]. I see you posted a message today on the [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Unapersson#Bloodwars PV's talk page], but there hasn't been any response yet. I've placed this on hold until you can provide evidence to support the publisher change. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:15, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Not to Be Taken at Bed-Time and Other Strange Stories ==<br />
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I've placed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5744184 this submission] on hold pending verification by [[User talk:Chavey|the PV]] of what appears on the title page. Covers and title pages don't always agree, and we go with what's on the title page. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:21, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:The title page is shown on FantLab; I added their ID in an edit last year. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:42, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Arthur, the Bear of Britain ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5810001 this edit] that changes the author of {{P|279590|this publication}}. This is another edit where you are removing all references to an existing author and will consequently delete the author record and all included metadata. You really need to check existing authors and publishers when editing them within publication and title records to ensure that you are not removing the sole references. In this particular case, the author you are changing to already exists. Please copy the metadata from the author record you are deleting to the one you are replacing it with. This needs to be done before this edit can be approved. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:45, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:I do not understand what you're attempting to do by cancelling your first edit and submitting a new one without correcting the author which you know to be incorrect. The only issue with the edit you cancelled was that it would delete {{A|Edward Percy Frankland}} which has metadata which would be lost. If the data was moved to the new author first, the delete wouldn't matter. What was your reason for not correcting the author record so that your original edit could be approved? I know you know how to update an author record with legal name, birthplace, dates, and webpage. You submit such edits all the time. Yet here, you refuse to do so. I'm going reject your new edit and un-reject your original one. Please move the metadata from Edward Percy Frankland to {{A|Edward Frankland}}, so that your original edit can be approved. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:52, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::Let me explain something to you. Since Thanksgiving a week ago I've been sick with some kind of bronchial infection that's caused me to sneeze blood and cough up ropes of green phlegm. Yet I've continued to edit here every day at the same high volume I usually do. I feel better than I did a few days ago but am still not well yet. So you can reject, un-reject, or anything else you want to do. You're lucky I'm still doing any edits at all. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:01, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Sorry to hear that you are ill and hope you recover soon. By all means, wait until you feel better to respond. There is no hurry. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:36, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Wired ==<br />
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Take another look at [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5812025 this submission]. Your cite Amazon as the source of your changes, but the publication date and format agree with our record (OL also says Jan 11 & pb). I agree with regularizing the publisher and correcting the Pages field. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:00, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:I checked again and while Amazon India says 1 November Amazon Australia says 11 January; both have dimensions of 10.8 x 2.54 x 17.15 cm which would be just under TP size so I think you're right there. I'll cancel and re-do. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:12, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Updated submission approved. Don't forget to cancel [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5812026 this one]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:18, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
== Sifton ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?787111; <br />
Hi. It'll be a while before I find my copy, so I'll change it provisionally. Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 23:40, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Ninth Fontana Book of Great Ghost Stories ==<br />
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I'm holding your submission to correct the prices on the {{P|44729|1st printing}} of ''The Ninth Fontana Book of Great Ghost Stories''. The edit is essentially fine. However, this will lose the information about the 4th printing which you mention is the source for the existing pricing. I would recommend cloning the existing record to create a new record for the 4th printing. After that is approved, then this edit can be approved and we'll have records for both printings and no data will be lost. Let me know once you've cloned the record and we can proceed. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:12, 10 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I made a clone. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:26, 10 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== S&S XVIII ==<br />
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I found my copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34048 S&S XVIII] and you are correct. The page count <b>is</b> 308. I can change it if you want. I've located my copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34041 S&S XIX] and will double your suggested edits when I can get to it. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 21:50, 31 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Science Fictionisms ==<br />
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I would like you to pull your [[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5881453 submission]] as I just uploaded a scanned cover image and noticed your pending submission. I will incorporate your archive.org link with it. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 14:15, 4 February 2024 (EST)</div>
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:SCNCFCTNSM1996.jpg&diff=679100
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|Title=Science Fictionisms
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|Artist=Bob Eggleton<br />
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== Advance Reader Copy ==<br />
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I'd like to take Marty's direction and ask you to have a look at [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Advance_Reader_Copy this thread] with particular reference to guidance in the Help, acquisition policy, and consensus opinion. Any thoughts on how things stand? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 09:19, 26 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:I think they should remain out, per long-standing practice. The reason for that is that they aren't considered a final published product, even if they are being sold. They are basically proof copies created to check for errors that need fixing prior to sending the final version tot he printer. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:32, 26 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Orthogonal to the "in" vs. "out" question: Given the relatively high frequency of this topic's appearing, if ARCs are indeed "out", I think it would be a good idea to add some sort of obvious statement about them to the policy. We did that for audio recordings. The policy's definition of published is a set of qualifications, not a definition, so the [[ISFDB:Policy#Included|Included]] section does not help. If someone considers them published, that list would make them "in". And if someone considers them unpublished, #1 in the [[ISFDB:Policy#Excluded|Excluded]] section can be read to allow them nonetheless, if they fall into one of the Included section's points -- for example, if they are issued by a mainstream publisher. One approach would be to add something like ''Manuscripts, advance reader copies (ARCs), and similar compilations produced prior to official publication for purposes of proof-reading or marketing are not considered "published", even if offered for sale by the publisher.'' That could be a qualifier in the Included section or an early bullet in the Excluded section. One idea, anyway. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 15:31, 26 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::I like your proposed wording. It is clear and concise. We could also add something to the [[ISFDB:FAQ]] about it, too (with a link directly to the [[SCOPE]]). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:55, 26 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::: I have a fundamental problem with ARC's being out. These are copies that exist out there, are genre, people have them, can be bought/sold, so need to be recorded (as a separate edition) imo. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 04:02, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::Printed ARCs are not supposed to be sold. They clearly state that on every one I've ever had. They also tend to have on the cover some marketing/bookseller info to help with ordering and whatnot. eARCs generally can't be sold, and the only ones I know of that can be bought are those from Baen (and I believe the purchaser receives a copy of the ebook once it's finalized, though I could be remembering incorrectly). If we do add them, we should have some standardized way of marking them so they clearly show up as an ARC so people don't get confused when viewing the editions of the books. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:03, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::: First, [[ISFDB:Policy#Included]] doesn't really define the term "published". For paper books, it says "paper books published by ..." and it's silent on the topic of ebooks and online publications.<br />
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:::::: The common definition of "published" is "made available", but "available" can be ambiguous. In most cases it means "available to the public at large", but it can also mean:<br />
::::::* available to all members of a book club<br />
::::::* available to those who have subscribed to a limited edition<br />
::::::* available to members of an [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_press_association APA (Amateur Press Association)]<br />
:::::: ''Wild Talent and The Time Masters'' by {{A|Wilson Tucker}} [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?88966 is an extreme example]:<br />
::::::* "No publisher, no place, no date [about 1953], 1953. Hardcover. First edition. Typed sheets, rectos only, of the two novels, a total of 260 pages. Professionally bound with headbands and title and author printed in gilt on spine. This special book was typed from the magazines by Stuart Hoffman, science fiction fan and editor of Index to "Unknown ," probably before the books were published in 1954. " - from Robert Gavora, Fine and Rare Books, ABAA<br />
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:::::: Is this really a "publication" or just something put together by a dedicated fan for his own use and perhaps for his friends?<br />
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:::::: Second, a number of authors make new works available to their Patreon subscribers before they are "officially" published on Amazon. For example, {{A|Glynn Stewart}}'s [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3057312 ''Discretion''] was officially published on 2022-07-26 and cost $5.99 on Amazon.com, but Patreon subscribers could read it 4 weeks earlier, on 2022-06-28, and it cost them only $5.00. It's not clear whether these types of "early releases" should be considered separate publications or ARCs. At one point I proposed that we call anything with a price a "publication", but the Rules and Standards consensus was against it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:10, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::: A few more random notes (after resolving an edit conflict):<br />
:::::::* Dating: we cannot date the title records based on an ARC date or any search of titles from a specific month/year becomes meaningless. Which means that we either need a new special date (7777-00-00 for example) or we need to consider allowing publications with titles in the future (which is a big no-no now). <br />
:::::::* Multiple ARCs are produced for some books - usually some of them are for specific projects, sometimes they come at different times. As such they can have different covers and more importantly contents - images and excerpts may or may not be included; other bonus material like extra stories or essays may also appear in some and not in others. Do we record them all separately? If not, how do we decide which one takes precedence and whose contents to add? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:19, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
(unindent)Two advanced searches of notes fields [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/note_search_results.cgi?OPERATOR=contains&NOTE_VALUE=resale resale] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/note_search_results.cgi?OPERATOR=contains&NOTE_VALUE=not+for+sale not for sale] reveal some interesting anomalies. Here are a few random-picked from a search on "advance": [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?298103] [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?363296] [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?747729] [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3507] [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?395604] [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?624518] [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8174] [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?9162] [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?152741] [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?351989] [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?396148] [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?152061] [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?12590] [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?855259] [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?14918] [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?312]. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:59, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:In my opinion ARCs and proofs should be excluded from the ISFDb. The general sense of the word "published" means an item that is made available for sale to the general public. That is not the case with ARCs and proofs although I am aware that there are rare exceptions (eg Baen eARCs, as Nihonjoe says). They are designed to be distributed freely to proofreaders and reviewers. Some of these recipients then choose to sell them but by then they are second hand goods. I have no problem with Ahasuerus' ambiguous examples because a member of the general public can join a book club / subscribe to a limited edition / etc. Regarding the Wilson Tucker extreme example, well... there will always be extreme examples.<br>Works available to Patreons may need to be treated separately. There was a discussion in Rules and Standards in 2021 with no clear resolution.<br>Whichever way this goes, I definitely agree with MartyD that ARCs and proofs should be explicitly mentioned in the Included or Excluded section of the Rules of Acquisition Policy. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 19:02, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Re: "a member of the general public can join a book club / subscribe to a limited edition / etc.", it can get complicated. For example, I was thinking about entering a Russian language edition of George Orwell's 1984 earlier this week -- see filial.shpl.ru/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Oruell-555x800.jpg . As far as I can tell, it came out in 1984 and was the first edition of the novel published ''within'' the Soviet Union. The catch is that even though the publisher, "Прогресс" (Progress), was a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progress_Publishers major Soviet company] and published books in many languages, which were then sold all over the world, this particular edition was limited to trusted members of the Soviet government as indicated by the statement that you can see at the top of the cover. Was it really "published" as we define it? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:06, 28 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::I don't have any preference about this, but I suppose movies might provide a precedent and useful analogy. Pre-release screenings for cast/crew or critics are not considered the "release" of a movie (and, indeed, what gets released may be different). ARCs seem very much like those pre-release screenings. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:00, 28 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: I also have no preference but desire clarity (having entered one and run across multiple). Abebooks has a [https://www.abebooks.com/books/rarebooks/collecting-guide/what_books_collect/advanced-copies.shtml page] delineating advanced copies, galleys, proofs & other pre-first edition books which our Help/Policy pages should cover in explaining what we mean by 'publish'. Using the general sense of "published" isn't good enough, we have our own definition for several terms (e.g. Chapbooks) and the interpretation of 'publish' is context sensitive (looking at the number of online definitions). A couple of (random) thoughts - given the 'publication' of material on the internet, does something have to be 'sold' for a 'price' to be considered published? We consider the change of advertisements (e.g. in Ace editions) to be additional 'printings' and worry about how many editiorial changes constitute a new 'edition' - so where are ARC's on this spectrum? Are they a valid 'printing'? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 11:23, 28 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: Re: "does something have to be 'sold' for a 'price' to be considered published?", I don't think so. We have numerous pubs which have no price associated with them: webzines, fanzines, certain promotional editions like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?28098 this one]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:21, 28 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::: Shouldn't we be better of discarding the 'published' notion? As discussed above, there's not a definition to be found that will not spawn exceptions. Rather, shouldn't we consider any single "version" (to not have to use the word published), and record that? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 16:27, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::: Well, we have a "publication date" field, which implies that a pub has been "published".<br />
:::::: Also, if we were to use "version" instead of "publication", how would we distinguish "versions" produced by the author or the publisher ''internally'' from versions delivered to the intended audience, whatever it may be? An author and the author's editor(s)/publisher(s) may go through multiple iterations of a manuscript before it's finalized. And sometimes it's never finalized as was the case with the famously unfinished [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?33485 ''The Last Dangerous Visions'']. We currently list it as "unpublished", but [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Dangerous_Visions multiple versions of the text existed at various points in the past]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:15, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::::Perhaps it would help to view these as types of publication and to designate them for inclusion/exclusion on that basis. That would even allow for some variation of treatment, instead of one-size-fits-all, with a default policy that's in or out and a small set of exceptions to cover the rare cases we agree ought to go the other way. Sort of like we have done for online publications. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 15:56, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::::: I am not sure I fully understand the proposal. When you say "type of publication", do you mean that we could add a new "pub type" or a new "format"? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:27, 4 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::::::: Not really a proposal, just sort of thinking out loud.... Originally I had in mind "pub type", but as I write this, I'm wondering if "title type" might be more appropriate; e.g., a la SERIAL (e.g., A serialization of a title is IN, but an advance proof of a title is OUT). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 14:32, 6 February 2023 (EST) <br />
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(unindent) After reading Ahasuerus' post below, I'd like to bring it into this main thread, as I think it posits a necessary wider view that I think we need in order to make progress which will stand the test of time. Quote:<br />
:"After re-reading this section, I think we may be inching closer to a working definition of "publication". We have a few common scenarios:<br />
:* A work is made available to "the public at large" as is usually the case on the internet<br />
:* A work is made available to all residents of a certain geographical area, e.g. the UK, the US, The European Union, etc<br />
:* A work is made available to subscribers, where "subscribers" can be members of a book club, people who have pre-ordered a limited edition, Patreon/Kickstarter patrons, etc<br />
:* A work is made available to libraries only<br />
:All of these scenarios meet the following criteria:<br />
:* the work is made available to people and to organizations ''outside'' of the publisher (including self-publishers) proper<br />
:* the work is made available for reading as opposed to for reviewing or other editorial and technical tasks<br />
:Are we getting closer? Are there additional scenarios that I am not thinking of? [Ahasuerus]"<br />
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As a sidebar, I have two genre short stories by the same author; one was published by Faber and the other on the author's publisher's website, free to view complete. If Ahasuerus' two summary criteria were to be applied, I would be able to enter both these works. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:26, 4 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I should note that I was only trying to formalize the currently used divide between ARCs and other "internal to the author/publisher" versions of books on one hand and and "published" books on the other hand. I didn't mean to suggest that we should change the rest of the "Included" section, especially as it relates to online publications. There is a lot of complexity there that we would have to consider before we make any changes. For example, Web serials can contain hundreds (in some cases thousands, e.g. ''Forty Millenniums [sic] of Cultivation'') of chapters and can be published over the course of many years. We don't have a workable way of capturing this information short of making each chapter a SERIAL in a CHAPBOOK, which would be a massive headache for a number of reasons. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:02, 4 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Patreon Editions ==<br />
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If it's OK, I'd like to break out the Patreon edition discussion into a separate topic from the Advanced Reader Copy topic so that it doesn't get lost again. I think they are significantly different enough that they need to be handled separately. <br />
<br><br>The last inconclusive discussion in 2021 can be found [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive19#Early_releases_from_Baen_and_Patreon here]. Since then I have been adding the Patreon edition info for Glynn Stewart's books in the title notes. There are about 30 to date with a new one about to be added. In Glynn's case, the covers are the same as the ebook covers but have PATREON EDITION prominently printed on them; the title pages also have PATREON EDITION printed on them. (I'm also keeping a set of cover images for each of them just in case). They are released on Tuesdays anywhere from two to four weeks prior to the public release of the book and may contain some typos that are fixed in the public release. They consistently cost $5.00 regardless of the public release price.<br />
<br><br>In my mind, they should have separate pub records. That said, I suspect that Patreon editions by other authors may be less distinct but I have no proof one way or another. In addition, I'm not sure if Kickstarter editions should be handled the same way but they would seem likely candidates as well. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 12:37, 28 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I also think that "Patreon editions" are really separate pubs -- as opposed to ARCs -- with a separate publication date, a separate price and (sometimes) a slightly different cover. I think we should be able to create separate publication records for them based on the following statement in [[ISFDB:Policy#Included]]:<br />
:* [Included:] Internet-based publications which are downloadable as electronic files in any number of ebook formats (ePub, Mobi, PDF, etc).<br />
: In some ways, they are similar to limited editions, which we create separate publication records for. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:52, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::I had the same thought about these being like limited editions. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 15:58, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: I forgot to comment on Kickstarter editions. Kickstarter campaigns can result in regular, i.e. publicly available, editions, limited editions or a mix of the two. They even call them "limited editions" [https://help.kickstarter.com/hc/en-us/articles/115005028514-What-are-the-basics- on their Web site], so I think "limited edition" would be the best way to treat exclusive editions which are made available to Kickstarter "backers". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:52, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) After re-reading this section, I think we may be inching closer to a working definition of "publication". We have a few common scenarios:<br />
* A work is made available to "the public at large" as is usually the case on the internet<br />
* A work is made available to all residents of a certain geographical area, e.g. the UK, the US, The European Union, etc<br />
* A work is made available to subscribers, where "subscribers" can be members of a book club, people who have pre-ordered a limited edition, Patreon/Kickstarter patrons, etc<br />
* A work is made available to libraries only<br />
All of these scenarios meet the following criteria:<br />
* the work is made available to people and to organizations ''outside'' of the publisher (including self-publishers) proper<br />
* the work is made available for reading as opposed to for reviewing or other editorial and technical tasks<br />
Are we getting closer? Are there additional scenarios that I am not thinking of? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:43, 4 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:This seems workable to me. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:16, 6 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:I like this definition. It's clear and reasonably concise. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:51, 6 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Is this waiting for the adoption of the wording for Defining "Published" in the next section? There haven't been updates to either of these topics in a month. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 12:13, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Yes, this discussion spawned a number of related discussions below. We were getting close to a new set of Policy definitions, but then the discussion stalled, possibly because I was distracted with other issues. Thanks for the reminder. Now that the majority of the other issues have been addressed, I'll see if I can get us to the finish line, although it may take a day or two. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:58, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Sorry about the delay. I haven't forgotten, but I was busy with something else. I hope to get back to this discussion shortly. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:07, 10 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::Just reminding you this is still hanging fire. :) [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 14:50, 25 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Yup! The prioritization phase of the monthly Fixer run was finished earlier this afternoon and the latest reported bug was fixed 5 minutes ago, so Rules and Standards discussions are next on my list :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:54, 25 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Defining "Published" ==<br />
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Discussions of "Advance Reader Copies" and "Patreon Editions" immediately above suggest that we may be getting close to a consensus. How about we replace the following sentences at the beginning of the [[ISFDB:Policy#Included]]:<br />
* '''Included'''<br />
* 1. Published works of speculative fiction, regardless of whether they are published within or outside the genre. "Published" is defined as follows:<br />
with something like:<br />
* Note that for a work to be considered "published" in ISFDB terms it must be made available:<br />
** to people and/or organizations (e.g. libraries) ''outside'' of the publisher<br />
** for reading as opposed to for reviewing or other editorial or technical tasks<br />
* '''Included'''<br />
* 1. Published works of speculative fiction of the following types:<br />
* [the rest of the section which deals with paper, electronic and audio publications will remain the same]<br />
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This change would mean that Patreon editions would be considered "published" and eligible for inclusion as separate publication records. Regular ARCs would remain "out" while "pseudo-ARCs", which are offered for sale by publishers like Baen, would be "in".<br />
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Also please note that the text above removes "regardless of whether they are published within or outside the genre" because it's obsolete, not to mention somewhat confusing. Originally it was supposed to indicate that we wanted to include books published both by "SF-only" publishers like Ace, Tor and Baen and books published by mainstream publishers like Random House. However, this distinction is pretty much moot now that we have a detailed list of included subgenres. The rise of self-publishing, which doesn't follow the "genre/non-genre" divide, is another reason not to mention it any more. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:24, 11 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:That works for me. I suggest though that the cases you have quoted ("Patreon editions", "Regular ARCs", "pseudo-ARCs") should be explicitly listed in the policy as examples. That will make it clearer and easier to interpret for someone who looks at the policy in the future but who hasn't read this discussion. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 06:42, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::I like the spirit of this, but I have two inter-related suggestions:<br />
::# I'd prefer to see the wording less passive and a little more comprehensive (''The ISFDB considers a "published" work to be...''). In addition to purpose, there is the permanency aspect.<br />
::# I think more prominent placement and/or labeling could be useful. What about a third section, between [[ISFDB:Policy#Definitions_of_Speculative_Fiction|Definitions of Speculative Fiction]] and [[ISFDB:Policy#Rules_of_Acquisition|Rules of Acquisition]], something along the lines of "Definition of Published" or "Published for ISFDB Purposes" or even just "Published"? Then use of "published" in the rules of acquisition could be hot-linked back to that definition.<br />
::I don't have any strong feelings about either of these suggestions but figured I might as well mention them. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:39, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Good points. Currently, the "Definitions" sections is organized as follows:<br />
:::* 4.1 Definitions of Speculative Fiction<br />
:::** 4.1.1 Inclusions<br />
:::** 4.1.2 Exclusions<br />
::: We could change it to:<br />
:::* 4.1 Definitions<br />
:::** 4.1.1 Speculative Fiction<br />
:::** 4.1.1.1 Inclusions<br />
:::** 4.1.1.2 Exclusions<br />
:::** 4.1.2 "Published"<br />
::: [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:28, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::I like this. It's logical and clear. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 12:00, 15 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::: I like it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:15, 15 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::: It sounds like we have consensus then. I am a bit under the weather today, but I hope it's nothing serious. I'll try to post the final language below once I feel better. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:18, 18 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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=== Proposed Policy language (Defining "Published") ===<br />
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Here is the proposed Policy changes based on the discussion above:<br />
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* Add a "Definitions" section to the [[ISFDB:Policy]] page. It will be a part of the "Contents/Project Scope Policy" section and will include two sub-sections: "Speculative Fiction" and "Published"<br />
* [[ISFDB:Policy#Definitions_of_Speculative_Fiction]] will remain the same except it will be renamed "Speculative Fiction" and shifted one level within the section hierarchy<br />
* The "Published" sub-section will contain the following text:<br />
** The ISFDB considers a work "published" if it has been made available:<br />
*** to people and/or organizations (e.g. libraries) ''outside'' of the publisher (including self-publishers), ''and''<br />
*** for reading as opposed to for reviewing or other editorial or technical tasks<br />
** This includes limited editions, book club editions, editions restricted to subscribers (including Patreon/Kickstarter editions), and editions advertised as "e-ARCs" if they are offered for sale by the publisher<br />
* Remove:<br />
** regardless of whether they are published within or outside the genre. "Published" is defined as follows<br />
* from the "Included" section of [[ISFDB:Policy#Rules_of_Acquisition]]<br />
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[[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:54, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Looks ok to me. One minor suggestion "e-ARCs" -> "ARCs". I know we're thinking about Baen's e-ARCs, but I don't think format is relevant to the spirit of this definition. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:18, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: Looks ok to me as well. And I agree with Marty's note - but maybe instead of dropping the "e", change "editions advertised as "e-ARCs"" to "editions advertised as advanced Copies (under the name "e-ARCs" or any other similar name)". eARC is very Baen specific but I won't be surprised that other publishers come up with their own thing... and what we are trying to say is that an Advanced copy is an edition as long as it is for sale by the publisher. <br />
: On a procedural question and before we change the language - will the publication date of the novel/story be the eARC date in that case and how does this map with awards eligibility for example? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:48, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:: " ..."published" if it has been made available: "<br />
:::" * to people and/or organizations (e.g. libraries) outside of the publisher... "<br />
:::" * This includes limited editions, book club editions, editions restricted to subscribers (including Patreon/Kickstarter editions), and editions advertised as "e-ARCs" if they are offered for sale by the publisher "<br />
:: Annie, I don't see any specific wording in the above to warrant " an Advanced copy is an edition ''as long as it is for sale'' by the publisher. ". Or am I missing something? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 13:04, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::: How do you read "editions advertised as "e-ARCs" if they are offered for sale by the publisher" in the proposed language if not that way? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:25, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: My point is that the door seems to be open for ''free'' ARCs to be considered published if they are ''made available'' to people ... and ''for reading''... as opposed to...etc. At the same time e-ARCs are included if they are offered ''for sale'' by the publisher.<br />
:::: We know there are editors who advocate strongly for free book ARCs to be included in the DB and authors who advocate strongly against it. How does this look from either perspective? I don't mind a resolution either way, but the above looks like "free-ARCs-in" and "paid-for-e-ARCs-in" to me. Is that really the case? Is that what we're heading towards?<br />
:::: Authors have said they get a lot of feedback from fans by giving out free ARCs and that that can influence the later 'official' market edition. They and the publishers are making increasing use of this technique, so we can expect more of them not fewer.<br />
:::: I'm just a bystander trying to understand the struggle to control the issues in these threads and I'd like to end up with an intuitive feeling for what's correct or not in any given situation. That's not happening at the moment; I'm not seeing the black and white. Kev.--[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:08, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::: Again - look at the proposed language: "editions advertised as "e-ARCs" if they are offered '''for sale''' by the publisher". I am not sure which part of the proposed language makes you see "free-ARCs-in" as an option (the Patreon/Kickstarter and so on are a different animal). If you are reading that statement in that way, we need to change it because I think we are trying to make a differentiation between the ARC being sent to people for various reasons and the ones being essentially first editions in disguise (Baen's e-ARCs for example). <br />
::::: If you want to propose to drop the "offered for sale by the publisher" and replace that with "offered to the public by the publisher", feel free to make the proposal but Ahasuerus's proposed language literally says "if they are offered for sale by the publisher". I won't be in favor of allowing any ARCs being sent out though... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:22, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::: Putting aside the Patreon/Kickstarter and Baen e-ARCs subjects for the moment, as I said before, "paid-for-e-ARCS" look in to me, and the proposed wording "offered for sale by the publisher" is succinctly and well stated (call it point 2). It's dawning that if I can read "free-ARCs-in" into points 1a and 1b when that is not what is intended then the right wording for what ''is'' intended hasn't crystalized yet. Maybe it's too passive, maybe it's using too few words to describe a lot of perameters, maybe it needs to clearly state what is ''excluded'' (or did I miss that somewhere else?). I can't put my finger on it at the moment. I understand why you are not sure, as someone with a good overview of the whole subject, how I can see "free-ARCs-in" in points 1a and 1b. It's like one of those 'what colour is this dress' things :) I suggest we can agree that the wording does need to change though. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:16, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::: Aha, that explains where the disconnect is - it is not in that last statement, it is higher up - you do not see "for reading as opposed to for reviewing or other editorial or technical tasks" as excluding all ARCs. In my mind, an author making an early draft/ARC/whatever available and seeking opinions and feedback (or reviews and publicity and blurbs and so on) falls under "made available for reviewing or other editorial or technical tasks" so it is explicitly being disallowed. If this already allowed all ARCs, we won't need to call out eARCs specifically at the bottom as they are indeed ARCs after all. But yes, if you do not read it that way, we need to figure out how to say it so it matches what we are trying to say. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:29, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) Riiight, now we're getting somewhere. Your last prompts me to see that all the points should be chopped up and rearranged. Let's try to say the same things in a different way -<br />
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* The ISFDB considers a work "published", and therefore included:<br />
** If it has been made generally available to people for reading.<br />
** The term 'people' includes organizations outside of the publisher, such as libraries and self-publishers.<br />
** If it has been made available as a limited edition, book club edition, an edition restricted to subscribers (including Patreon/Kickstarter editions), or editions advertised as "e-ARCs" ''if they are offered for sale'' by the publisher.<br />
* The ISFDB considers a work "unpublished", and therefore excluded:<br />
** If it has been made available for the purposes of reviewing, or other editorial or technical tasks.<br />
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Each point is one-topic, making for easier understanding and future editing. Any good? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:14, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Keep in mind that "published-unpublished" and "included-excluded" are different axes. There are "unpublished" works that [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Included we include]:<br />
:*Unpublished works of speculative fiction which have been:<br />
:** announced as forthcoming within the next 90 days<br />
:** announced but never published (entered as "unpublished")<br />
:** published only in translation (the original should be entered as "unpublished")<br />
: and there are "published" works that [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Excluded we exclude], e.g.:<br />
:* Works published in a web-based publication and available exclusively as a Web page -- such as blogs, author-run sites, fan fiction, web serials, etc -- unless listed in the Included section<br />
: We are currently trying to fine-tune the "published-unpublished" axis without touching the "included-excluded" axis. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:45, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) It looks like we have three outstanding issues:<br />
1. Clarify the use of the term "e-ARCs". Two clarifications have been proposed:<br />
* MartyD: Change "e-ARCs" -> "ARCs" [in order to cover other types of ARCs offered for sale]<br />
* Annie: Change "editions advertised as "e-ARCs"" to "editions advertised as advanced Copies (under the name "e-ARCs" or any other similar name)"<br />
I think the second proposal is more explicit and will help our users who may not be familiar with the term "ARC".<br />
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:I agree. I was only thinking about not limiting to eARCs. Annie's suggestion achieves that while also clarifying what we're talking about. I'm all for that! --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:43, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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2. Annie: "will the publication date of the novel/story be the eARC date in that case and how does this map with awards eligibility for example?"<br />
I have been thinking about the date issue for the last couple of days, but I have been unable to come up with a definitive answer, although I have some ideas.<br />
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If Baen makes an "e-ARC" version of a first edition available for sale in October and a regular (aka "trade") version available in November -- and if we consider the "e-ARC" version a separate "publication" for ISFDB purposes -- then it stands to reason that the title date of the book should be its first publication date, i.e. the e-ARC date. On the other hand, the trade version will likely say something like "First edition: November 20xx", which may be confusing. My current thinking is that it would be best to make "October 20xx" the title date and add a note to the "trade"/November publication record to clarify that even though the book itself claims that it is the first edition and that it first appeared in November 20xx, an earlier version of the book was offered for sale in October 20xx and refer the user to the e-ARC publication records for details.<br />
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3. BanjoKev: Clarifying the e-ARC definition and restructuring the proposed Policy language. I will comment on it after taking a break. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:24, 24 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Can someone who buys the Baen eARC look into a December one (when the book is out officially in January) and see what date/year is actually printed in the eARC book? Or any book if they print a month - but with a December/January, there will also be a change in the year. I don't have any so I cannot check but looking at any other ARC I have around the house, the insides of the book carry the actual publication date and the ARC date may or may not be on the back cover somewhere. So if that is the same for eARCs, the availability date is getting overridden by the date inside of the book anyway (as it won't agree on month and/or year). The only case where the eARC date will stand as the date of the title is if there is no date inside of the eARC or if the date there is the eARC date. Thus me thinking that we should check what Baen are actually doing. <br />
: We still need to figure out what we want to do in the generic case though... My thinking is that we use whatever date we know and add notes but that will hide the book from looking at titles published in a certain month/year or general searches... which I am not sure how we can solve... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:54, 24 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: PS: Changing the header title slightly while I am here so when it shows on a Wactchlist or changes list, it is clear which language we are working on. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:56, 24 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: I may have a few old e-ARCs in one of my offline archives. I'll poke around once I finish Fixer prioritization. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:23, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: The good news is that I have all of Baen's "giveaway" CDs (as ISO images.) The bad news is that I can't find any e-ARCs among the hundreds of files that the images contain, but I only sampled things.<br />
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::: Poking around the internet, I see a few Baen e-ARC files floating around. Comparing the e-ARC version of {{A| P. C. Hodgell}}'s [https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?477018 Honor's Paradox] with what Amazon's Look Inside shows for the [https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00APAHTW2?ie=UTF8&tag=isfdb-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325 final version], I see that the e-ARC file has the same ISBN, number line and publication date ("First Baen printing, December 2011") on the copyright page. The main difference -- minor capitalization quirks aside -- is that the "Library of Congress Cataloging-in-Publication Data" section is empty in the e-ARC file. There is a "t/k" placeholder in its place, which is editor speak for "to come". There are some capitalization differences in the body of the text as well. There is no back cover and no separate "e-ARC publication date". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:30, 27 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: I am confused now. How does this constitute a separate edition for us then? It will have the same date as the other ebook (even if it is out in October, the printed date will be the governing one), it will have the same cover and all other details). We don't record minuscule changes in ebooks as separate publications outside of this scenario... And that sounds like almost every ARC I had ever received from a publisher - possibly missing illustrations, possibly missing table of contents, before the last proofreading and so on passes... The only difference is that this one is paid. If this is why we make it a separate edition, then fine but we need to be explicit about that in the language. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:45, 27 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::: Well, it's possible that this particular e-ARC file is not representative of what Baen usually does. Or perhaps they changed the way they do e-ARCs at some point. It would be better if someone who has more experience with e-ARCs commented on them. Perhaps Nihonjoe has more information? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:42, 27 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::: An [https://web.archive.org/web/20140220111030/http://baen.com/newsletter/02-2013_1.html archived Baen Web page] posted in December 2013 says:<br />
::::::* As of December 16th, Baen ebooks are now available for sale at other vendors as well as at this site. ... Available exclusively at Baen.com are eARCs and serialized monthly bundles at our previous prices. There is a significant change from our previous practice in the availability of the bundles: once the books for a given month are printed and the books made available individually at other sellers, these bundles will not be available for orders. For example, books labeled January 2013 were available for sale only until December 2012.<br />
:::::: This seems to suggest that Baen e-ARCs were/are deliberately "labeled" with the publication date of the final product. If so, then I believe Annie's interpretation above is correct and their records would share the "official" edition's publication date. This is different from Patreon editions, which typically have a different publication date. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:48, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::::: I have found an ARC version of {{A|David Weber}}'s [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1105006 ''Mission of Honor''] on one of the "giveaway" CDs in my library. The copyright page says "First printing, July 2010", which is what the copyright page of the trade edition says. We now have two e-ARCs which use the same publication date as the trade edition (see {{A| P. C. Hodgell}}'s [https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?477018 Honor's Paradox] above) plus the Baen statement from December 2013. I think it's enough to establish a pattern until and unless we come across exceptions. This means that we don't have to worry about potential publication/title date discrepancies since Baen ARCs apparently use the same date as their trade editions. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:38, 26 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== ROA changes: unpublished non-genre and non-fiction works ==<br />
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(Splitting out from above) While we are reorganizing the above section, can we also move #4.2.1.2 in the ROA ("Unpublished works of speculative fiction which have been") down to become #4 and to read "Unpublished works which are eligible based on the criteria in 1-3 above..." or something along these lines? The way it is ordered now makes non-genre (from above threshold authors) and non-fiction works not eligible pre-release or when cancelled and we had never followed that rule - the current policy that had been followed for years is that if a book is eligible on publication, it is also eligible 90 days pre-publication or if cancelled. Or do we want to split this into a separate discussion? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:15, 15 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Oh, I see. I have never considered it, but you are right: we include announced-but-unpublished non-fiction/non-genre books like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?196373 ''Orchids for Doc: The Literary Adventures and Autobiography or Robert A. W. "Doc" Lowndes''], but the Policy language would disallow them. I agree that we want to change the Policy to reflect current practice, but I suggest that we create a separate discussion section for the issue. I don't expect objections, but I am worried about overloading this section. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:53, 15 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Here we go. I am more concerned with any genre non-fiction added pre-release (the current language allows only "Published non-fiction works about speculative fiction" - that word published in there excludes something that is not out yet) than the cancelled and never published ones but it applies to both exceptions from our "published" policy anyway. The cleanest will be to first define what we allow when published and then specify when the same books are eligible without being published (yet or ever). It matches current practice as well :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:38, 15 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::Heh. I agree with Annie's point, and I support this suggestion, but having now re-read that whole section, I find myself compelled to suggest a further reworking of it. 4.2.1 contains a mix of specification of publication form and work type, with a dash of timing. For example, 4.2.1.1 specifies various formats but restricts its work type scope to "of speculative fiction". 4.2.1.2 specifies timing and likewise restricts its scope to "of speculative fiction". 4.2.1.3 deals solely with work type ("about speculative fiction") and fails to say anything at all about publication form or timing. 4.2.1.4 also deals with work type ("not related to speculative fiction, but were produced by authors ... over a ''certain threshold''") and says nothing about publication form or timing.<br />
:::What about extracting the work types into one section, and the other conditions into a second section, under a broader inclusion eligibility umbrella, or something like that? That is, for a work to be eligible for inclusion, it must meet...<br />
::::One of these work type criteria:<br />
:::::*It is a work ''of speculative fiction'' <reference to 4.1.1 or 4.1.1.1><br />
:::::*It is a work ''about speculative fiction'' <requirements from current 4.2.1.3><br />
:::::*It is a work neither of nor about speculative fiction but was produced by an author who has published a number of works of or about speculative fiction over a ''certain threshold''.... <details from current 4.2.1.4><br />
::::Both of these publication criteria:<br />
:::::*Publication form: <form requirements from current 4.2.1.1><br />
:::::*Publication timing: <timing requirements from current 4.2.1.2><br />
:::I'm sure that could be worded better, but I hope it gets the idea across. This does extend Annie's proposed "rule change" (hers: publication timing criteria should apply to anything eligible for inclusion) such that all of the form and timing criteria explicitly apply to everything otherwise eligible for inclusion. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 16:02, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::: That works for me. That is why I was trying to push the timing down the list but yes, the form also needs to go down to make it as clear cut as possible even if we all know what we mean. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:28, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::: One thing I realized upon reading the "work type criteria" list again is that we have three alternatives for the non-SF work type:<br />
::::::# It is by someone above-the-threshold (*)<br />
::::::# It is contained in a larger SF work (*)<br />
::::::# It contains one or more eligible SF works (*)<br />
::::::(*) All of these with various caveats/limitations -- I am not trying to open a discussion about their nature.<br />
:::::The latter two are somewhat buried or implicit, with details elsewhere. [[ISFDB:Policy#What_to_Include|What to Include]] covers #2, but periodicals are only mentioned obliquely: 4.2.1 says an SF work is included whether "published within or outside the genre" and lists magazines and newspapers in the bullet about periodicals, but nothing in the policy states that a non-SF magazine or newspaper is eligible for inclusion. You have to go to [[Help:Entering_non-genre_periodicals|Entering non-genre periodicals]] to find the policy for magazines, and only there is it stated that non-SF anthologies are handled the same way. That page also refers one back to the RoA page for determining whether a non-genre periodical is eligible, even though the RoA page does not say anything about including them (other than the physical form and timing parts). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:48, 18 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::: You had to go there, didn't you? :) The ROA had always had a bit of a problem with the concept of what it calls a work - publications vs. titles in our DB. In some places it is clear what we are talking about, in some as you pointed out above, it is left for the reader to draw their own conclusion of what we mean and other help pages are needed to actually make it clear on what is eligible. Let me pull all relevant docs up and see if I can mash together something to get these sorted out and have a proposed language that reshuffles things around non-genre works. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:31, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Proposed: Allow inclusion of serials in novels, anthologies and collections ==<br />
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Currently, serials are limited to magazines, fanzines and chapbooks. As a result we're sometimes forced to misclassify serials as short fiction. I noticed a number of examples while working on the 'Short Fiction Title Records with '(Part' in the Title field' exception report. There were a number of novels with obvious serial installments not classified as such. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:40, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Do you have specific examples of these? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:22, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Here are a few from the aforementioned report, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?714319 example 1], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?714583 example 2], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?714262 example 3]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:28, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Here are a couple examples where they are being used contrary to present standards, but should be allowed . [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?559596 example 4] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?759779 example 5]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:47, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: I support allowing SERIALS in all of our containers (including NONFICTION in case someone decides to add a single piece of serialized fiction in otherwise non-fiction collection of essays for example). While they used to be almost exclusively used in magazines and fanzines, these days they can popup everywhere - in anthologies, in collections and as bonus to novels. We already opened up the rules a bit to allow them in chapbooks. In addition, we had been kinda bending that rule for awhile anyway and already making some of these SERIALS when it makes sense - as the report shows. Switching them to short fiction will lose their connection to their parent/full work and there is no real reason to do it - we might as well codify the current usage and actual publishing reality.<br />
: PS: We should make a distinction between serial and excerpt when we open up the rules though - one is intended to be the whole work; the other one is intended to be a single part. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 10:56, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: I also support this proposal. The examples are drawn from a publication series that was published weekly. <br />
:: Another question: would we allow serial instalments within one and the same publication like the parts of 'Jube' [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?299598 here] or the ones of 'Corsairs of the Second Ether' [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23794 here]? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:57, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::: Two different usecases on that one - one clear and one a bit murky:<br />
:::* Fragmented complete text (your examples are like that): if they are ever published as a single text, then I'd think yes. If they were only published in this form, I'd make the case that they might be intended as separate texts. See [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13449 this one] for example - Festival Moon is technically one story that weaves through the narrative. Do we want this or the ones in your examples as serials? I lean towards yes for them as well quite honestly but if someone has a compelling reason to say no, my mind can be changed...<br />
:::* More than one installment in the same book but not the complete text - definitely yes. <br />
::: How would you record either if they were in a magazine? If we would record them as SERIAL, we have our answer - we really should not have different rules for SERIALs based on the type of the publication IMO. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:13, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) I can see how allowing SERIAL titles in collections, anthologies, novels (as "bonus items") etc would be beneficial.<br />
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One thing that we may want to clarify is whether the proposed change would also allow turning "split novels" into SERIALs. Personally, I don't think it would be an improvement compared to what we currently have (a title level "split work" flag would be better), but we'll want to make it clear either way. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:19, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: The change shouldn't affect split novels. The proposal is to treat SERIALS the same as SHORTFICTION or POETRY for eligibility in our container titles. NOVELS would only allow a SERIAL as bonus, not primary, content. Any current language which prevents CHAPBOOKS from being used for split novels would still apply. If we feel further language necessary, we could add a specific prohibition in the CHAPBOOK section under publication type. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:35, 24 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:: I agree but I had been thinking about that and there is a slight wrinkle here:<br />
::* Republished novels which are split for publication on their own or in omnibuses (usually in translation) remain novels - including cases such as having the initial 3 volumes in a series being published in 2 volumes by splitting the middle novel between the two novels.<br />
::* The wrinkle are anthologies and collections. If a publisher is publishing a collection/anthology of 10 stories and 1/3rd or 1/2 of a novel, with the rest of the novel being published in other collections in the same pub series (or regular series) for example, do we want this novel's parts as SERIALs or as Split novel entries (as will be the case under the current rule)? I can see that argument going both ways... By being inside of an anthology/collection they feel like SERIALs to me and I think we had been using the split novel rule here because we simply had no options (not that we have that many of these admittedly - but I've seen that with some publishers in my languages). But I am not opposed to leaving these as NOVELs under the split novel rule - I am mainly thinking aloud through the different permutations when we open SERIAL to be used in all containers.<br />
:: Depending on how we want to record that last group, we may need to call out separate rules for Novels and Omnibuses and for the containers (Magazines, Anthologies and Collections). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:20, 24 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::: Magazine reprints are another side of the same coin. An exception report 'Anthology Publications with Invalid Title Types' would alert us to just how often serials are incorrectly used now. I have also seen magazine reprints as type MAGAZINE rather than ANTHOLOGY. My purpose is not to embarrass anyone. If a magazine serializes a novel over a number of issues, while correct, it's counterintuitive to import the NOVEL title record into every reprinted issue . I'm not advocating anything, just brainstorming with you. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:30, 24 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::: Hold on a second. You don't import the NOVEL title in these - you add a NEW NOVEL title, usually with a slightly different name (Part 1 or 1 added for example - mirroring the SERIAL title basically) or with a note explaining what it is and then that new title gets varianted into the main novel title as a split novel. Split novels records don't end up with the record of the complete novel inside of them, they have their own variant under the main title (the second case where we variant with difference in contents - the first being SERIALs).<br />
:::: Back on the reprints conversation - yes. But we can easily solve that by specifically calling the case (if the anthology/collection is a reprint of a periodical in its entirety, leave the SERIALs as SERIALs (or something like that)) even if we lean the other way otherwise. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:09, 24 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::: Of course you're correct. I must be getting tired, I really do know that. Thanks for reminding me. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:16, 24 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::: It is Friday afternoon/evening - everyone's brain is allowed to be mush. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:36, 24 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Adaptations and Abridgements ==<br />
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Another editor was doing some work on {{P|366091|one}} of my verified publications which made me aware of changes that had been made to record subsequent to my entry of it. The title page lists "The Road to Oz by L. Frank Baum" with "Adapted by Peter Archer" in a smaller font underneath. My question is whether the adapter should have an author credit. I originally entered the record with only Baum listed as an author and with the contained title as "The Road to Oz (abridged)". The adapter was (and still is) listed in the notes. I posed the same [[Rules and standards discussions/Archive/Archive08#Adaptations and Retellings|question]] over a decade ago, along with others questions about how adaptations should be handled. Unfortunately, it didn't really result in a consensus of how these should be handled. My current thinking on how these should be handled (or how I thought they were handled) are:<br />
* Adapters, abridgers and retellers should not be listed in an author credit, but instead should be listed in the notes as we do with translators.<br />
* The adapted work is not varianted to the source work. Actually, I'd prefer that it were, just like we treat translations, but this could result in the necessity to nest variant titles (adapted, then translated). <br />
*The adaptation should have the type and length based on its adapted form (most commonly SHORTFICTION adapted from a source NOVEL). This is not how we do translations which always keep the parent title type. I would prefer that translated variants followed this rule to, but I understand the reasons and the consensus to do it the way we do.<br />
*Adding a disambiguator (e.g. "(abridged)") is useful, to prevent finding duplicates with the source title. I had originally done this with the title in the above publication, but it was changed by another editor subsequently.<br />
One of the editors in the 2010 discussion mentioned not wanting to create a new policy because of a forthcoming "based on" variant feature. I believe that such a feature has proven difficult to implement. Perhaps we can agree on how best to enter these records in the meantime.<br />
Thoughts?<br />
Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:15, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Adaptations and abridgements are not the same thing and, in my opinion, should be handled differently. Abridgements usually are just reductions in the amount of text (with maybe some editing to string the bits together). Adaptations can be anything from minor changes to complete re-works that make it a totally different story. Based on that, my thoughts are:<br />
:* Publications should always be credited per the title page. If the title page only credits the original author as the author, then that is how the pub record should be entered and the adaptor/abridger should be listed in the notes. If the title page credits as original author AND adaptor, then both names should be on the pub record.<br />
:* Abridgements should be treated like excerpts: 1) they should not be varianted to the original; 2) they should be dated as per the date that specific abridgement was published; and 3) if the title matches the original work, it should have "(abridged)" added to the title record title. If the abridger was not credited on the publication title page as an author (which is typically, I'm not sure I've seen a case where they were), then they should only be listed in the title notes (not varianted to a title record that is author AND abridger).<br />
:* Adaptations, if credited to just the author, should generally be varianted to a title record that is author AND adaptor and not varianted to the original. If the changes are truly only minor, I'm fine with merging with the original work, but I would see this as the rare case. Most adaptations are different enough they should be considered new works.<br />
:This does leave some room for judgement and debate, but we already have that case when an author revises their own story (how much change is enough for a new record) so that doesn't bother me. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:45, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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::I wish we had a "Like" button. That all matches my thinking, too. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:11, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::I agree with JLaTondre. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:29, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::I have seen quite a few abridgements of Jules Verne and most credit the abridger. Sometimes the credit exists, but is not on the title page. It sounds like this would disqualify them from being listed as an author. (No opinion, just clarifying). As an example - ''Mysterious Island'', abridged by Ann Abridger on the title page would have a publication title of ''Mysterious Island(abridged)'' or ''Mysterious Island (abridged)'' and two authors with no varianting to the original. If her credit is not on the title page we have the same title but only the original author and no varianting. If I have two abridgements that are clearly different (page count, non-title page credits) should they have separate TITLE records? (If so, need to prevent automatic merge). If two abridgements are the same, only differing in whether the abridger is credited on the title page or not, are these linked somehow? If the abridger is known, the name is to be put in the TITLE notes (they should also be kept at the publication level as a cross-check for people putting them in willy-nilly). If they are not known, is there a bucket TITLE for abridger/adaptor unknown? Or are they kept separate? (Possibly merged by publisher). There is the <nowiki>{{tr|}}</nowiki> for translators, should there be something similar for abridgers and/or adaptors? And I wonder why abridgements are only noted as such when titles match, why not all the time? Alternate titles can be just as confusing as matching titles when looking at an author's summary. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:57, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::::Crediting per the publication title page is already the rule. If the publication has:<br />
::::*Mysterious Island by Jules Verne and Ann Abridger, then both names should be listed as authors on the publication record<br />
::::*Mysterious Island by Jules Verne, abridged by Ann Abridger, then only Verne's name should be listed as author on the publication record<br />
::::Having additional templates for abridgers, editors, & cover designers would be a nice software improvement. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:19, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: I generally agree with JLaTondre but there is a bit of a wrinkle here - good old translations. Especially a lot of the older ones are closer to abridgements and adaptations than straight translations and they are not always discloses to be abridged (and even modern ones in some languages). If we treat them as we do excerpts, the lack of connection to the source material will make our DB a lot poorer. So if we are going to spell a rule about all that, we need to call out translations (and clarify the rules there)... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 02:32, 7 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Dates on Dust Jackets ==<br />
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There have been a number of edits recently adding a more precise publication date based on what appears to be date text appearing on the dust jacket. I have tended to approve these edits. I've now been asked to update one of my verified books based on such a date which got thinking about this. {{P|741539|This}} is the book in question. The back flap of the jacket has "0388" printed directly below "Printed in the U. S. A.". The book was published by Doubleday who is the main (only?) publisher that used [[Gutter code]]s to identify manufacture dates. Only the year is mentioned on the title page and the copyright page. My question is whether we should consider these dust jacket dates to be publication dates, or, as with gutter codes, manufacture dates. I did a little research and found one [https://penandthepad.com/determine-book-was-printed-2320197.html blog entry] that refers to them as printing dates. However, I wouldn't count that site as authoritative. While I lean towards the idea that this is a manufacture date, I have one more piece of data in this specific instance. The LOC copyright office gives the publication date as 1988-03-03 which is consistent with the jacket flap date. Thoughts on how these dust jacket dates should be used? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:19, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Quick look through some of my hardcovers shows that all of the dust jacket dates I have match the publication month for the first printing. And they remain the same on later printings on the few books I looked at that are later printings. I’ve always considered them publication dates for the first printings (although I had never added a date solely because of them - there had been no need to). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:19, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Can we get an update to the Help Screen for Magazines? ==<br />
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The discussion of Magazines as a publication type on the [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Publication_Type help screen] makes reference to the magazine and book wiki pages. I doubt these exist and if so are not monitored. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 12:41, 15 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Good point. Publication-specific Wiki-based discussion pages were deprecated some years ago, although you can still create a Wiki page for a publication and link it from the "Web pages" multi-field. They can be useful if you want to upload a scan of the copyright page or add other supporting documentation. I have removed references to Wiki-based pages from [[Template:PublicationFields:PubType]] and replaced them with references to the Help Desk and the Community Portal which can be used to discussed whether a publication is a magazine or an anthology. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:46, 19 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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It also makes no reference to newspapers and journals, which printed a number of novels and stories in the days before magazines, pulps and paperbacks. I suppose in retrospect MAGAZINES should have been SERIALS and the SERIALS should have been ISSUES, or something along those lines. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 12:41, 15 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Newspapers were officially included in [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive16#Newspapers_-_Outcome October 2018], at which point we replaced most references to "magazines" with references to "periodicals" on Help pages like [[Help:Entering non-genre periodicals]]. I have updated [[Template:PublicationFields:PubType]] to clarify that this publication type includes both professionally published magazines and newspapers.<br />
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: While working on this issue, I noticed that we didn't have a bullet point for FANZINEs, which were included many years ago and which are supported by all data entry pages. I have added a bullet point to [[Template:PublicationFields:PubType]]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:10, 19 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Thank you. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:34, 19 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The split novels again: Magician by Raymond E. Feist ==<br />
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Is there a reason I am missing for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?196628 Magician: Apprentice] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1210 Magician: Master] to be treated as separate novels and not as split novel parts? Under the current rules for split novels, they should be varianted under [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?352 Magician]. Can anyone see why these should be an exception? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:49, 18 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Defining "Published" - Take Two ==<br />
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The [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Proposed_Policy_language_.28Defining_.22Published.22.29 last proposal] to define the term "Published" as used by Policy and various Help templates stalled in late February in part because we were not sure how e-ARCs were dated. Now that we have a degree of confidence that their stated publication dates are the same as trade editions' -- see my latest findings at the bottom of the linked section -- we can revisit the issue.<br />
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After incorporating MartyD's and Annie's changes and tweaking the wording, I have the following:<br />
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* Add a "Definitions" section to the [[ISFDB:Policy]] page. It will be a part of the "Contents/Project Scope Policy" section and will include two sub-sections: "Speculative Fiction" and "Published"<br />
* [[ISFDB:Policy#Definitions_of_Speculative_Fiction]] will remain the same except it will be renamed "Speculative Fiction" and shifted one level within the section hierarchy<br />
* The "Published" sub-section will contain the following text:<br />
** The ISFDB considers a work "published" if ''both'' of the following two conditions have been satisfied:<br />
*** The work was made available to people and/or organizations (e.g. libraries) ''outside'' of the publisher (including self-publishers)<br />
*** [wording changed 2023-04-27] The work was made available for reading and not for reviewing or in-house editorial/technical tasks<br />
** [added 2023-04-27] This definition of "published" excludes:<br />
*** [added 2023-04-27] Advanced Reader Copies except for rare cases where they were produced for sale by the publisher<br />
** This definition of "published" includes:<br />
*** limited editions<br />
*** book club editions<br />
*** editions restricted to subscribers, including Patreon/Kickstarter editions<br />
*** [wording changed 2023-04-27] Advanced Reader Copies (under the name "e-ARCs" or any other similar name), but only if they were specifically produced for sale by the publisher<br />
* Remove:<br />
** regardless of whether they are published within or outside the genre. "Published" is defined as follows<br />
* from the "Included" section of [[ISFDB:Policy#Rules_of_Acquisition]]<br />
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I tried to clarify the sub-section which starts with the words "The ISFDB considers a work "published" if ''both''" in order to address BanjoKev's readability concerns, but I am not sure how successful I was.<br />
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Thoughts? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:10, 26 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::First of all, thank you all for the work that's been put into this topic! My immediate thought is that, to address your last line, and to restate that I have no preference for either yes-ARC or no-ARC, <i>I don't think we can dodge the bullet</i> which I would characterise thus: I'm holding an ARC tp which I might have bought in a bookshop or acquired at an author signing session. To me, it satisfies <i>both</i> points under "The ISFDB considers a work "published" if..." and so I would submit it.<br />
::As we know, strong views were expressed both for and against including such a book at the beginning of the whole discussion. I suggest we take a time-limited poll, a simple "yes" or "no", and let the majority take the day. Whichever way such a poll might go, the inclusion/exclusion of such a book can then be boldly stated. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:15, 26 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: I believe that previous discussions established a consensus re: ARC inclusion. We want to exclude the vast majority of ARCs which are printed "in house" and sent out to reviewers. On the other hand, we want to include (the relatively rare) editions which are called "e-ARCs" (or similar) but are offered for sale to the general public as a variation on the "limited edition" idea.<br />
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::: Based on your comments, the version of the proposed Policy text that I posted yesterday didn't make this distinction clear. I have added a couple of lines and clarified a few others -- please see the marked sections above. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:00, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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=== 2023-04-30 version===<br />
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Here is the text of the proposed Policy changes after the last iteration of edits and minor cleanup to ensure consistency across bullet points:<br />
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* Add a "Definitions" section to the [[ISFDB:Policy]] page; the new section will be a part of the "Contents/Project Scope Policy" section and will include two sub-sections: "Speculative Fiction" and "Published"<br />
* [[ISFDB:Policy#Definitions_of_Speculative_Fiction]] will remain the same except it will be renamed "Speculative Fiction" and shifted one level within the section hierarchy<br />
* The "Published" sub-section will contain the following text:<br />
** The ISFDB considers a work "published" if ''both'' of the following two conditions have been satisfied:<br />
*** The work was made available to people and/or organizations (e.g. libraries) ''outside'' of the publisher<br />
*** The work was made available for reading and not for reviewing or in-house editorial/technical tasks<br />
** This definition of "published" excludes:<br />
*** Advanced Reader Copies (ARCs) except for rare cases where they were specifically produced for sale by the publisher<br />
** This definition of "published" includes:<br />
*** limited editions<br />
*** book club editions<br />
*** editions restricted to subscribers, including Patreon/Kickstarter editions<br />
*** Advanced Reader Copies (under the name "e-ARCs" or any other similar name), but only if they were specifically produced for sale by the publisher<br />
** [Added 2023-05-01] Note that not all works considered "published" are eligible for inclusion in the database. See [[ISFDB:Policy#Definitions_of_Speculative_Fiction]] and [[ISFDB:Policy#Rules_of_Acquisition]] for details. <br />
* Remove:<br />
** regardless of whether they are published within or outside the genre. "Published" is defined as follows<br />
* from the "Included" section of [[ISFDB:Policy#Rules_of_Acquisition]]<br />
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I am going to ping the editors who participated in the last couple of rounds of this discussion to see if we have reached consensus. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:23, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Thank you for responding to the scenario I posited, there can be no doubt or room for miss-interpreting now. This is the result I was hoping to elicit when, on Marty's suggestion, I first posted the ARC question. My only thought now is what, if anything, is to be done with the (now non-qualifying) existing db entries? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:14, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: What would be an example of an ISFDB record which won't qualify under the proposed rules? If we can identify a pattern in the Notes field, I can whip something up to facilitate the cleanup process.<br />
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:: Also, if the proposed change is approved, we will need to search Title Notes for the word "Patreon" and create publication records for newly eligible editions. There are only a few dozen of them, so it shouldn't be too hard to do. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:03, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::Following is a repeat of an earlier post under [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Advance_Reader_Copy this topic], bearing in mind that I picked those at random. Some are obvious non-qualifiers, others would need more finesse.<br />
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:::"Two advanced searches of notes fields [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/note_search_results.cgi?OPERATOR=contains&NOTE_VALUE=resale resale] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/note_search_results.cgi?OPERATOR=contains&NOTE_VALUE=not+for+sale not for sale] reveal some interesting anomalies. Here are a few random-picked from a search on "advance": [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?298103] [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?363296] [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?747729] [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3507] [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?395604] [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?624518] [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8174] [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?9162] [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?152741] [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?351989] [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?396148] [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?152061] [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?12590] [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?855259] [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?14918] [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?312]." Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:26, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: I see. It looks like some of them may need to be deleted, but I am not sure there are enough of them to warrant a separate cleanup report. Hopefully we can handle them manually. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:58, 1 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::re Patreon publication creation: I have the covers ready to be uploaded for 33 of the Glynn Stewart Patreon publications and will PV all of those publications as well. I'm not a mod or self-approver so it will take a couple of approval passes. Of course I'd also remove the Patreon notes and change the title date on those title records as part of that effort. Let me know if that would be a help or if it would just be better to have a moderator create the publications and change the titles with me then adding the PVs and the covers. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 22:35, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::Not sure what to do about indentation here.... :) This looks good to me. One wording clarity question: what is the parenthetical "(including self-publishers)" meant to modify in the first condition? It can be read as referring to "people and/or organizations", even though that doesn't seem to make sense. If it's trying to say self-publishers are publishers, well, that is redundant; do we need that emphasis here? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:23, 1 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: "(including self-publishers)" was supposed to modify "publisher". I suppose my instincts still tell me that self-publishers are something unusual and require additional clarification even though it's no longer the case. I have deleted the parenthetical clause. Thanks for identifying the issue! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:02, 1 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: I like the wording but if you read it on its own, it sounds like an author/publisher posting a story on a blog somewhere is considered published - it does satisfy both of the conditions we have for being published after all. We need to tie it with [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Included ROA Included] I think - maybe reference to it or just a note such as "in a format and venue per ROA" or something along these lines. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]])<br />
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:::: We can certainly add a bullet point along the following lines:<br />
::::* Note that not all works considered "published" are eligible for inclusion in the database. See [[ISFDB:Policy#Definitions_of_Speculative_Fiction]] and [[ISFDB:Policy#Rules_of_Acquisition]] for details. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:16, 1 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::: Yep, that works I think. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:20, 1 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) It looks like we have consensus. I will give it another 24 hours and then update the Policy/ChangeLog pages. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:14, 3 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: All done -- see [[ ISFDB:Policy]] and [[Rules and standards changelog]]. Thanks to the editors who participated in this discussion! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:45, 4 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Changing "Blocking Policy" to "Disciplinary Policy" ==<br />
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[[ISFDB:Policy]] currently has a section called [[ISFDB:Policy#Blocking_Policy|Blocking Policy]]. However, it covers more than blocking, so it's really a "Disciplinary Policy" section. Can anyone think of a better name for this section's name? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:06, 7 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:I do think 'Disciplinary Policy' would cover the possible actions fittingly. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 08:43, 7 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::If you wanted something a little more neutral, "Comportment". That said, it is more a list of penalties than it is a list of behavioral standards, so "Disciplinary" seems fine to me, too. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:53, 7 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: When I see the word "Comportment", I think "respectable/polite/dignified behavior". Perhaps "Conduct Policy" would be a more neutral synonym. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:11, 7 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::Science Fiction Conventions commonly use "Code of Conduct" for this sort of thing. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:14, 7 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Browsing the internet, I see that Wikipedia has [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_conduct_policies Category:Wikipedia conduct policies], which includes [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility Wikipedia:Civility], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_personal_attacks Wikipedia personal attacks], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Harassment Wikipedia:Harassment], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism Wikipedia:Vandalism], etc. It sounds like "Conduct" is the most general term used across the spectrum. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:09, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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'''Outcome''': "Blocking Policy" has been changed to "Conduct Policy". I don't think it needs to be documented in [[Rules and standards changelog]] since it's not a "rules" change. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:52, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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=== Appeals Policy ===<br />
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One thing you should think about adding to that policy section is an appeals process (or maybe add a more general "Appeals Policy" section that describes how a contributor goes about appealing any moderator/administrator action). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:53, 7 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: That's a good point and I am creating a separate sub-section to discuss it.<br />
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: There are two different types of appeals. Editors who disagree with moderator decisions can appeal on the Moderator Noticeboard, which I ''think'' is mentioned somewhere, but I don't recall where. Similarly, editors who are given a warning can post on the Moderator Noticeboard. There is no appeal process for getting banned. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:11, 7 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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'''Outcome'''. [[ISFDB:Policy#Appeals_Policy]] has been created. At this point it simply says "Decisions made by moderators can be appealed on [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard]]". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:30, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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=== Clarifying "Non-constructive or Disruptive Behavior" ===<br />
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The discussion above also raises another issue. The current Blocking Policy includes a short list of disallowed actions -- spam, vandalism, personal attacks -- and leaves defining "non-constructive or disruptive behavior" to the discretion of ISFDB administrators. I find that "non-constructive or disruptive behavior" is hard to define because it's so vague and subjective. Perhaps we should clarify it, e.g. by disallowing "incivility" on the ISFDB Wiki. It would be a stronger prohibition than the current ban on "personal attacks". The penalties would presumably be lighter than for personal attacks. Perhaps 3 warnings first? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:11, 7 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Transliteration link ==<br />
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I suggest adding the link [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#How_does_the_ISFDB_deal_with_Unicode_and_accented_characters.3F How does the ISFDB deal with Unicode and accented characters?] to the<br />
[https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Transliterated_Titles Field-by-field guide]. I only found that useful information by chance - not expecting it in the FAQ section. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 13:52, 12 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Done. Thanks for reporting the issue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:49, 12 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Many thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 14:58, 12 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== External ID template: additional wording needed for Audible-ASIN ==<br />
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I'm assuming that regular editors shouldn't make changes to templates. That said, in the Template:PublicationFields:ExternalIDs [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:ExternalIDs here], for the Audible-ASIN entry, could something like "If the Audible ASIN is an ISBN-10, convert the ISBN-10 value to ISBN-13 and place the ISBN-13 value in the ISBN field." be added after the sentence that reads "Also note that, unlike regular Amazon ASINs, we record Audible ASINs even when they match the ISBN-10."? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:00, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dates for serialized novels revisit ==<br />
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Under our current rules, a novel is dated based on its first appearance in book form due to how serializations work and the possible changes (mainly in the US market). I had always interpreted as first appearance in the original language - a translation does not shift an original date. However, that creates records such as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?953895 this one]: serialized in 1970, first Russian publication in book form in 1982 (giving the record its date), 7 translations between the serialization and the first book publication (the first of them is as early as 1972). So questions:<br />
* Does everyone interpret the dating rule as "in the original language"? If so, should we add that to the rules? <br />
* Do we need different dating rules when not dealing with American magazines? <br />
Thanks for any ideas/comments. If we decide to hold up the rule as it is, I am fine with it but... this novel is credited as a 1970 one everywhere but here. So thought I should bring it up and we can figure out what we want to do. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:02, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: I should say so (that we use the first book publication in the original language). This I think should be so in general; with the Strugatskys it would also reflect the difficulties of publishing some of their works they encountered within the USSR. <br />
:: In the general approach we also would encounter problems justifying our dating of other works (not serialized) that were published only a great tiem later in their original language, I do think. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:25, 25 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::I don't think that a serialization should change the dating of the NOVEL title, and I'm a little unclear as to the established rule. If I had come upon Annie's example, without this discussion, I would have thought the date on the NOVEL record was incorrect and that it should have been 1972. I can give a different example that doesn't include a serialization {{T|2978766|Mr. Breakfast}} which was published in translation in 2019, but not published in English until 2023. We have that one as 2019. Ignoring the serialization, these two titles are handled differently, so we're not consistent. My feeling is that we should determine whether a title's publication date follows first book publication or first publication in the language of composition. Since we're not dating the novel record based on serialization dates (except when there has never been a book publication), I don't think the existence of a serialization should change the date of the NOVEL. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:14, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: This situation is addressed in the third point under 'General rules and information' [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_enter_translations here]. I'm ambivalent as to whether an existing serialization should alter the rule. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:19, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: A few thoughts:<br />
:::::1. I also ''interpret the dating rule as "in the original language"'' and would be in favor of using 1982 as the date of the canonical (Russian) NOVEL title. If we can reach consensus, we'll want to update Help.<br />
:::::2. I find that the first reason behind the current SERIAL/NOVEL date rule, which is described in [[Help:Use_of_the_SERIAL_type#Date_Rule]]:<br />
:::::* serially published novels are/were often extensively rewritten prior to book publication (e.g. the Lensman saga), so it's natural to think of these two versions as separate works<br />
::::: often applies to other languages as well. To use the Strugatsky brothers as an example, they had to make almost 900 changes to the original magazine text before [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?21979 ''Prisoners of Power'' (now ''The Inhabited Island'')] could be published as a book 3 years later. Similarly, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?669485 ''Roadside Picnic''], which was first serialized in 1972, had to be rewritten multiple times before it could be published in an omnibus in 1980.<br />
:::::3. Some bibliographies, including the Second edition of SFE, use the following dating convention:<br />
:::::* ''Galactic Patrol'' (1937-1938, '''1950''')<br />
::::: where "1937-1938" is the year(s) of the first serialization and "'''1950'''" is the year of the first book publication. We could update the software that displays Author, Title and Publication pages to examine each canonical title and display something like:<br />
:::::* ''Galactic Patrol'' (ser. 1937, 1950)<br />
::::: The reason why we would have to use "1937" instead of "1937-1938" is that we can easily find the date of the first serialization whose language matches the language of the canonical title, in this case ''Galactic Patrol (Part 1 of 6) (1937)''. However, we have no way of determining that ''Galactic Patrol (Part 6 of 6) (1938)'' was the last published part of the ''original'' serialization, so we have to use the date of the first known installment. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:24, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::: Sounds like everyone is in favor of the current rule so so be it. :) I still think we should not be sorting these on author pages where we do now but that’s a different conversation. As we have the rule on file (as John pointed out above) that we don’t date originals based on translations dates, I think the only thing remaining here is to update the dating page help explicitly to state that so it is clear why it is 1982 in my example and not 1972 even if they do not find the other page. This novel can even be a perfect example on how exactly to date in such cases. :).<br />
:::::: On a software level, we may think a bit more on how we display these dates, making 1970 visible here and on an author list or making the author list sortable by it may be a good idea. But that’s a feature request and not really about the rules of entry. Thanks everyone for chiming in. I will continue dating as we had always done then. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:37, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Portuguese titles capitalisation / rationalisation ==<br />
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It's clear from a look at much-translated authors' pages, such as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?23 Philip K. Dick] or [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?5 Isaac Asimov], that we are not treating capitalisation in these titles consistently. The [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Talk:Title_Regularization Title Regularization] page gives no guidance. In [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Anniemod#Vis.C3.B5es_de_Rob.C3.B4_or_Vis.C3.B5es_de_rob.C3.B4 another discussion], [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:ErickSoares3 ErickSoares3] posted a link to [http://funag.gov.br/manual/index.php?title=Mai%C3%BAsculas_e_min%C3%BAsculas this guide] by the ''Fundação Alexandre de Gusmão''.<br />
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Can we agree on how to treat Portuguese titles and formalise it on the Regularization page? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:59, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I am fine with using sentence case for Portuguese (even for the ones from before the reform - they used title case before that at least in some of the areas which speak the language). It will make it easier to deal with reprints anyway. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:07, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I agree to follow the sentence case for Portuguese, following the reform agreement - there's no need to think on a whole new system for this site... [[User:ErickSoares3|ErickSoares3]] ([[User talk:ErickSoares3|talk]]) 16:28, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I don't have a preference one way or the other. As long as we're consistent and have clear guidelines, I'm fine however it ends up. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:07, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::As far as I know, sentence case is perfectly all right in Portuguese. See [https://catalogo.bnportugal.gov.pt/ipac20/ipac.jsp?session=IG856071W0504.74877&menu=search&aspect=subtab11&npp=20&ipp=20&spp=20&profile=bn&ri=&term=Asimov&index=.GW&x=0&y=0&aspect=subtab11 here] for instance. [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] ([[User talk:Linguist|talk]]) 04:14, 1 June 2023 (EDT).<br />
::::We seem to be agreed on sentence case for Portuguese titles so I'm asking, what happens next? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:08, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::: Patience. Give people some more time (probably until the end of this week) - it had been less than a week and there was a long weekend in there (US-side). Once it is cleared up, the policy is set, the help pages are updated and we can go and fix any old titles we feel like fixing (and any new that get added incorrectly). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:48, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent)I had been thinking - if we are going to be updating the help anyway, maybe we should finally add the note for languages other from English. Unless I am missing a language (I will check again), we are doing sentence case for all languages but English. German has peculiarities (capitalized nouns) but this is their sentence case so sentence case covers that as well. We can even make it more explicit - explaining what sentence case is (or link to an online explanation). Something like: "For all other languages, use sentence case". We can just add the note for Portuguese for now but adding a complete note will help new international editors. Plus it just codifies what we are doing anyway. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:28, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) From the looks of it, we have an agreement that Portuguese is sentence case as well and not an exception. The help page needs updating (anyone feeling strongly about the format of the note?) but the policy is clear. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:50, 27 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: We seem to have consensus; please feel free to go ahead and update the Help page. I am still sick and I am not sure I can do it justice in my current state. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:27, 27 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: I will take a stab at it later today and will open a new discussion with proposed language for the rest of the languages so we get the whole section fixed for all languages. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:47, 27 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Imprint Inconsistencies ==<br />
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The current [[:Template:PublicationFields:Publisher|publisher policy]] leaves it to the submitter's option as to whether to record an imprint as just IMPRINT or as IMPRINT / PUBLISHER. This creates inconsistencies in how data is entered and how publisher records are marked. For example, Gollancz ceased to be a publisher in Dec 1998 and became an imprint of Orion. Our {{Pubr|13|Gollancz}} publisher record notes are written as if it is the record for the publisher only and we have a separate {{Pubr|10221|Gollancz / Orion}} record for the imprint. However, if you look at the {{Pubr|13|Gollancz}} record you will find many books published after 1998 listed. <br />
*Should we consider removing the option to submit imprints either way and pick just one way? <br />
If not, we need to clean up the publisher notes to clarify these cases as it's bound to be confusing for non-regulars. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:46, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I see the Gollancz - Gollancz / Orion problems stemming from the publisher record notes. The {{Pubr|13|Gollancz}} record needs rewording to forestall entries as just Gollancz being made after they were acquired by Hachette. The {{Pubr|10221|Gollancz / Orion}} record is clear but might be made a bit more direct in instructing editors to make the distinction.<br />
:Another wrinkle is that where post-1998 (i.e. Hachette) pubs have been entered with Gollancz as the publisher, and then that pub is cloned, the deficiency is perpetuated.<br />
:FWIW, I think the current policy is alright, leaving us to reach consensus on a case-by-case basis as these companies morph through acquisition. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:29, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::I'm not sure I'm following. You say you are fine with current policy. However, you sound like you are advocating that we change all Gollancz imprints to being Gollancz / Orion. What is the justification for telling verifiers (like Mavmaramis below who wants to use Gollancz only) they have to use Gollancz / Orion when the policy says they can choose either? If we want to say either form can be used, but once the community picks one, everyone has to use it, that would still be a change to what is currently written. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:06, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::My 2p worth is that unless it's really obvious it's an imprint 'Gollancz / Orion' (either the cover or title page has it specifically printed as opposed to it being a bit of text in the printing history on the copyright page) then I'm minded to keep it to the notes. In the case of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?19442 The Iron Wars]; [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29414 The Second Empire] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?21042 Ships from the West] they are externally Gollancz - Gollancz G logo on spine, 'Victor Gollancz' on title page. The menion og Gollancz being an imprint is relagated to a bit of text in the printing history on the copyright page. In fact even back in 1995 Gollancz was an "imprint of the Cassell Group". Keep it for the notes unless blatantly obvious. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 06:46, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Anthology vs. Collection Example Disconnect ==<br />
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We need a different example than <i>Late Knight Edition</i> under the ANTHOLOGY section of the [[:Template:PublicationFields:PubType|PubType]] policy. PubType currently states:<br />
:'For example, "Late Knight Edition" contains stories by both Damon Knight and Kate Wilhelm, individually; this is an anthology, not a collection.'<br />
However, {{T|29373|Late Knight Edition}}'s stories are all by Knight with Wilhelm's sole contribution being the introduction. This book has been listed as a collection in ISFDB [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?461881 since 2007]. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:24, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dating titles that have only been published in translation, and 8888/9999 dates in general ==<br />
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I was looking through the cleanup reports, and noticed that of the 6 titles in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?71 Forthcoming Titles report], half of them are the English versions of works only published in translation. Unless there is evidence that these are definitely going to be published in their original form, would it not be better to mark them as 8888-00-00/unpublished?<br />
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Digging around, I couldn't see any documention in [[Template:TitleFields:Date]] about what to use for title dates on stuff like this; there's a link to [[Help:How_to_enter_translations]], but that doesn't seem to have anything relevant.<br />
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[[Template:PublicationFields:Date]] talks about 8888 and 9999 being used for pubs that were announced for the past or future respectively, but doesn't cover the case where there has been no announcement of a title being published at all, so isn't of much help.<br />
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Also, I ran a couple of database queries, and it seems 9999-00-00 is only used on the aforementioned titles. This makes me wonder what the use case is for it, especially now that WatchPrePub exists to indicate doubts from editors about information they've entered.<br />
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MariaDB [isfdb]> select year(pub_year), count(1) from pubs where year(pub_year) > 2024 group by year(pub_year);<br />
+----------------+----------+<br />
| year(pub_year) | count(1) |<br />
+----------------+----------+<br />
| 8888 | 644 |<br />
+----------------+----------+<br />
1 row in set (0.086 sec)<br />
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MariaDB [isfdb]> select year(title_copyright), count(1) from titles where year(title_copyright) > 2024 group by year(title_copyright);<br />
+-----------------------+----------+ <br />
| year(title_copyright) | count(1) |<br />
+-----------------------+----------+<br />
| 8888 | 899 |<br />
| 9999 | 3 |<br />
+-----------------------+----------+<br />
2 rows in set (0.235 sec)<br />
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[[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 08:28, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: As I recall, "9999-00-00" goes way, WAY back as in the 1990s. Back then we didn't have proper support for future dates, cleanup reports, etc. Once the software and the data were cleaned up, I proposed that we eliminate "9999-00-00". There wasn't much interest in the idea at the time, but perhaps we can revisit the issue now that "9999-00-00" hasn't been used in a number of years. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:38, 27 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I've often wondered what this site was like pre-public editing, which started in 2006, I think. How many people were entering books in 1995-2006, who's still around from those days, and is there any way to tell which books were entered in that time period and where the info came from? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:45, 27 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: When I checked in June 2022, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Internet_Speculative_Fiction_Database&oldid=1094027716 this Wikipedia article] matched my recollection of the project's early history reasonably well.<br />
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::: One of the big issues that the project faced in the late 1990s was the lack of a moderation system. Once public editing was enabled, it quickly became clear that data quality was going to be a significant problem.<br />
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::: The next issue was the use of automated tools to import data from publicly accessible online catalogs and similar sources, mostly in the early 2000s. The software that existed at the time was entirely too enthusiastic. It imported thousands of non-SF ISBNs by major authors like {{A|Robert Louis Stevenson}} because it couldn't tell what was SF and what wasn't.<br />
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::: Once the software was rewritten by Al in the mid-2000s and public editing was re-enabled in May 2006, things began to improve. Editors and moderators were recruited, old data was cleaned up, new software features were added, etc. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:29, 27 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Obscene account names and the Conduct Policy ==<br />
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[[ISFDB:Policy#Conduct_Policy]] disallows "Blatant vandalism (blanking, obscenities, nonsense, etc)". I interpret it as disallowing obscene account names like [[User:Fuckyouisbd]], which was blocked earlier today. Should we add an explicit statement to the Conduct Policy along the lines of:<br />
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* User/account names containing obscenities are not allowed. Account names found to be in violation of this policy will be blocked and their account owners will be allowed to create a different, non-obscene, account name.<br />
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? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:02, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I doubt the person who created that account has any intention of adding anything useful here; they couldn't even spell the name of this site correctly. Blocking trolls only feeds them; I would suggest ignoring it and only doing something if they make any edits which would mean their obscene name showing up again. Why can't people be professional? Shame. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:14, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I agree with the change. I think allowing trolls to have access feeds them. Blocking the accounts prevents them from doing any actual trolling beyond creating the account. Does blocking them on the wiki side prevent them from making edits on the database side? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:37, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Not at this time since we have never encountered this issue. Typically, malicious users are paid spammers who try to use the ISFDB Wiki as a platform for spreading spam. They are not interested in the database side of things.<br />
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:: That being said, it's easy to prevent blocked users from creating submissions since it requires only one or two changes to the software. {{FR|1575}}, "Prevent blocked users from creating submissions", has been created. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:18, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: {{FR|1575}} has been implemented. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:11, 28 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Template:TitleFields:Juvenile ==<br />
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In [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:TitleFields:Juvenile this page] there is the declaration for works targeted at the juvenile or Young Adult market. Does that mean up to 18 years or less? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 09:53, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: A very good question indeed. To quote [https://www.ala.org/yalsa/guidelines/whitepapers/yalit this white paper] adopted by the American Library Association in 2008:<br />
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:* When the term first found common usage in the late 1960’s, it referred to realistic fiction that was set in the real (as opposed to imagined), contemporary world and addressed problems, issues, and life circumstances of interest to young readers aged approximately 12-18. [snip] the conventional definition of “young adult” has expanded to include those as young as ten and, since the late 1990s, as old as twenty-five.<br />
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: Our original intent was to use the "juvenile" flag to cover works aimed at readers who are 18 and younger. Given the increased "fuzziness" of the definition as seen above, I think it would be better to spell out the age range:<br />
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:* Check this check-box if this work is targeted at readers who are 18 or younger.<br />
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: [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:18, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: So what do we do if the book is marketed to YA in English but marked 18+ in Russian or Czech for example? It does not matter why they are marked that way really - but when two separate markets disagrees, which ones wins. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:46, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Different publishers may use the same text(s) to target different age groups even within the same market. To quote {{A|Lawrence Watt-Evans}}'s Web site:<br />
:::* I had once hoped to maybe relaunch the [Ethshar] series from a major publisher as YA ("young adult"), aimed at teenagers, but that idea doesn't seem to have gone anywhere. <br />
::: Some of it was pure marketing, e.g. one of the issues that the "major publisher" had [https://groups.google.com/g/rec.arts.sf.written/c/qAUI_qcNF0g/m/AtCqWI3SJboJ was]:<br />
:::* ...the fact that the title character wasn't the viewpoint character.<br />
:::* (Yes, i offered to change the title, but that wasn't enough to overcome the other issues.)<br />
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::: So it's not common, but it can happen even within the same market. I suppose the most logical way to classify books that have appeared both as "adult" and "YA" would be to adopt the classification used by the first edition. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:24, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: On a very separate note, lumping YA and the kindergarten books under juvenile makes us look even more old-fashioned and less inviting to younger contributors. If we mean "under 18", change the label to say so and let's not hide under a library word that is fuzzy for a reason - libraries had stopped using juvenile for YA for at least a decade even if older definitions still use that here and there. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:46, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: I can see how changing the "Juvenile" flag to "under 18" would be an improvement. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:26, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: I help classify books for a charity book sale, and we've come up with an approach to save time for newer books. For us, the "targetting' applies if the publisher's web contact address mentions children or teens (e.g. HarperTeens). We also use imprints (e.g. Scholastic), awards (e.g Newbery, Caldecott) and who is reviewing the book (e.g. School Library Journal). This, as noted above, can leave a title open to having publications differ in classification. I would suggest that once a title has been marketed as "YA", it is forever tainted - how can something once considered YA stop being YA? There are also translations (e.g. dumbed down Jules Verne) and abridgements (e.g. Illustrated Classics) which are treated differently in terms of varianting. Assuming variants can differ (for translations), would a YA variant work for titles with both variations? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 15:00, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
Is it possible to put the conclusions of this discussion into [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:TitleFields:Juvenile here]? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 14:27, 23 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== awards ==<br />
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I notice there is a section for awards in my author listing. Am I allowed to list nominations? As in, I was a finalist for the Baen Fantasy Adventure Award, but did not win? <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Fabius|Fabius]] ([[User talk:Fabius|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Fabius|contribs]]) .</small> 17:59, 24 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:We don't currently have either of the Baen contest awards catalogued here on ISFDB. We don't always include contests, though I think these would be good to include. Also the Writers of the Future and Illustrators of the Future winners. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:24, 25 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pages - help screens and templates ==<br />
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There are 5 screens of help and guidance for entering page values; [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages NewPub], [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:EditPub#Pages EditPub], [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:PublicationFields:Pages PublicationFields], [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:PubContentFields:Page PubContentFields], [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_determine_the_value_for_the_%22Pages%22_field_in_a_book How to determine the value for the "Pages" field in a book].<br />
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In the light of recent discussions I think it would be helpful if, at <i>the top of each screen,</i>, there could be four lines (one for each of the other four screens) which includes a link to same. At present, 3 of the screens have a link to the "How to..." page but it's right at the end. The "How to..." page has references and links to the PublicationFields template (twice) and the NewPub page. Admittedly 3 of the pages contain identical wording, but knowing of the existence of them <i>all</i>, whichever page one first lands on is what I'm addressing. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 17:21, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It might be good to combine all of the information from each of those pages and create one page that can be transcluded to all of those locations. That way, the information on all of them will be identical, and any changes to the one location for the information will be propagated to all of them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:58, 27 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I think that's an excellent idea Joe. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:45, 5 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Does inclusion in the Hugo Award Voter Packet count as a publication? ==<br />
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Apologies if this is an old topic, although I think this particular case might be a new spin on it.<br />
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There are (at least) 2 Chinese stories in the Hugo Voter Packet that have English translations provided. They are in PDF and/or EPUB formats. The original Chinese stories and their publications were added to the database when the Hugo finalists were announced, so these translations would be alternate titles to existing records. (Exception: some of them are stories for the Astounding Award for Best New Writer finalists, which I didn't add anything for at the time, because it seemed too hard/nebulous.)<br />
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At least one of those translations is scheduled to be an anthology due out later this year, and another I'm 99% certain will appear in Galaxy's Edge magazine at some point, so it's not as if (some of) these translations will never get recorded in the database. <br />
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After reading [[ISFDB:Policy#Included]], I'm still unsure as to their eligibility for inclusion here. Maybe they fall under ''"Convention programs, guides, etc. We definitely want any convention-published "real books", but probably not the ephemera."'', but as that note is marked as "Debatable", it's not exactly helpful...<br />
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Thanks. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:38, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:I had a [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive15#A confused record|discussion]] (beginning with the first response) with [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] last year about this. We were both leaning towards adding the Hugo packet as a publication. I had (and continue to have) other priorities that I'd rather work on. However, I would still support the Hugo packet as a single OMNIBUS publication published by the Worldcon for the year. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:03, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: If my understanding is correct, "Hugo Voter Packets" are sent to all World Science Fiction Society (WSFS) members -- see [https://www.thehugoawards.org/category/voter-packet/ https://www.thehugoawards.org/category/voter-packet/] and [https://en.chengduworldcon.com/help/1 en.chengduworldcon.com/help/1]. Anyone can become a WSFS member (and therefore a Hugo/Lodestar/Astounding voter) by paying $50 per year.<br />
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:: For most practical purposes this system is similar to book clubs, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_press_association APAs] and other organizations which limit circulation to their members. Since we include book club editions, fanzines, etc, it seems to make sense to include these "Hugo Voter Packets". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:55, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Just for the record - I still think it should be eligible as an e-book omnibus. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:32, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: Thanks all, I'll try to make a start on this year's some time soon.<br />
:::: One follow up question: for stuff like custom submissions that contain multiple stories or essays, I think it's better to group those as new OMNIBUS, COLLECTION, ANTHOLOGY or NONFICTION titles, which then get pulled into the OMNIBUS, rather than just have all the individual SHORTFICTION, ESSAY, etc imported directly into the OMNIBUS.<br />
:::: e.g. this year's Best Editor (Short Form) for Sheree Renee Thomas comprises 14 PDFs, which are an issue of F&SF, a full anthology, and 12 individual stories and essays extracted from F&SF and a couple of anthologies. Rather than import those directly into the "Hugo Voter Packet" OMNIBUS publication, I propose to have a "Sheree Renee Thomas Hugo Award 2023 Voter Packet Submission" OMNIBUS containing those, which is then imported into the top level OMNIBUS. This (IMHO) keeps things more consistent and tidy with for example, the Neil Clarke submission, which is a single PDF anthology of 13 stories and an essay. Objections/thoughts? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 17:29, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::I'll defer to the software experts, but I'm pretty sure that an OMNIBUS cannot contain another OMBNIBUS. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:45, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::: Not under the current rules, no... And I really would prefer not to change this -- we had a discussion around that when someone was adding the Baen disks - creating artificial containers that had never existed is going to look ordered on the surface but will be a pain for an end user - aka - in order to get the complete list for the packet, they will need to open multiple non-existing publications (as you will need a publication for these internal omnibuses if you want to import in them). So I'd just import all stories/articles/whatever into the single omnibus and use Notes to explain what is what (and use the numbering to keep the separate pieces next to each other). If the concern is where the award/nomination gets assigned - this is not different from when a set of books are nominated - just add it to each of the title records - for the example - she did not get nominated for an omnibus containing these works, she was nominated because of all the separate works... Although technically speaking, as it is a nomination for her and not the works, these should not get the nomination added to them anyway - but if there is something where that applies, the logic is the same. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:51, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::: Ah, no problem, I'll just chuck everything in the "top-level" omnibus.<br />
::::::: The thought of adding the award nomination to those hypothetical "fake" title records didn't actually occur to me ;-) I agree that awards to people rather than titles should be done as untitled awards. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:01, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::: If you look at the thread Ron linked above, I was wondering at the time between an overall omnibus and a series/pub series for the different pieces -- mainly due to the fact that parts of it are distributed separately. But it is a special case and a single omnibus makes more sense I think -- and makes it easier to see what is inside (plus as with all other omnibuses containing other containers (collections/anthologies), you will ultimately want to add ALL contents pieces in the top level anyway for visibility - aka for people who want to see where the story can be found - as we do not have "indirect" lists so having the fake middle ones will be mostly so you can have visual separation more than anything...). Plus if we ever change our mind, we can always create the smaller containers. Does not change the fact that we want all visible in the big omnibus anyway - which means importing all in it as well...<br />
:::::::: As for the awards note - yeah I realized it as soon as I typed it but then there may be other pieces in there for which that applies so I left it and added the last note). :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:21, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Interior art - do we use artwork captions in the titling? ==<br />
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That's one of the questions arising from this discussion about the artwork in [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Weir_-_Project_Hail_Mary Project Hail Mary]. Clarification of the rules would be much appreciated. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:34, 25 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:My opinion: The spirit of artwork record titling is that, except when published as a "standalone" piece of art, artwork is subordinate to the work or publication with which it is associated. Artwork record titles generally reflect that subordination. Here is what I think is de facto practice:<br />
:*COVERART titles should always be the same as that of the publication. (In fact, I think this is the one place we do not add disambiguation for the case of two different works of art by the same artist for different publications/editions with the same title.)<br />
:*INTERIORART titles in a publication of, or about, artwork should record the "natural" labeling used in the publication. If works are identified by title or caption, that text should be used. If works are identified by use case, then either the canonical title with " (use case)" appended or a descriptive title should be used. For example, if a plate in publication XYZ is publication ABC's cover, title XYZ's INTERIORART record "ABC (cover)". If a COVERART record for ABC's cover is present, XYZ's INTERIORART record should be made a variant of that.<br />
:*All other INTERIORART titles should usually be the same as that of the illustrated work, or of the containing publication if not illustrating a specific work. However, each of a publication's INTERIORART titles should be unique within the publication's contents. Where the use-the-publication-or-work's-title scheme would result in the publication's having multiple INTERIORART content records with the same title text, the titles should be disambiguated. Different disambiguation techniques are employed, depending on use case and information available.<br />
:**If the same artist is responsible for multiple works of art that are being recorded separately, the title text for each must be made unique.<br />
:***If the works have titles or captions, those may be used.<br />
:***If the works have different use cases, append " (use case)" to one or more of the otherwise ambiguous records. E.g. "ABC (map)".<br />
:***If no better differentiator is available, append " [number]" to each of the otherwise ambiguous records. E.g., "ABC [1]", "ABC [2]",...<br />
:**If different artists are responsible for different pieces of art, the normal titling scheme is followed, with each INTERIORART record having the same title text but different Artist credits. Note that "use case" disambiguation may also be employed in this case. E.g., "ABC (maps)" by artist 1 and "ABC (illustrations)" by artist 2. If differing artist credit alone is not sufficient to produce uniquely identifiable records, then one of the disambiguation schemes should be applied first to produce the title text, then the appropriate artist credit should be assigned. E.g., "ABC [1]" by artist 1, "ABC [2]" by artist 2, "ABC [3]" by artist 1.<br />
:As I said, that is my opinion. I would also note that ISFDB's view of artwork has changed over the years. We used to treat artwork as much more of an afterthought/second-class data citizen than we do today. So, for example, you will see disambiguated-by-number records entered long ago where today we would use some more readily identifiable form of disambiguation. Or older single publication-wide records where today we would tend to use multiple records to document each of the individual works. Some of the help text may not be fully in tune with the times. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:20, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::re "I think this is the one place we do not add disambiguation for the case of two different works of art by the same artist for different publications/editions with the same title": Cover art is not a special case. We only disambiguate artwork titles within the same publication, not across publications. I agree with you on the remainder. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:20, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: If I read Marty's reply correctly, what it boils down to is that for the art's title, the illustrated work's title is used with all the disambiguation cases etc, as explained above (and except for the bullet point 'If the works have titles or captions, those may be used [to make them unique]' - which I don't read in the current rules btw).<br />
::: My interpretation of the rules is exactly that, ie. the title of INTERIORART is the same as the title of the work it illustrates - even though there are several examples currently in the DB where the actual INTERIORART title or caption are used as title, instead of the title of the work the art illustrates. The issue that I'm having with the current rules is that they are not very clear in explaining what title to use, hence should be rewritten to make them unambiguous - because right now, the rules do not clarify what do to in case there's artwork that has a proper title of its own. - cfr. the discussion [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Weir_-_Project_Hail_Mary here]. I have two proposals to make the rules clearer:<br />
:::: * INTERIORART always get the title of the work it's illustrating. If the work does not illustrate any particular work, use the title of the publication the art appears in, or<br />
:::: * If INTERIORART has its own title or caption, use that title or caption. Else, use the publication's title instead<br />
:::: (+ the disambiguation cases laid out by Marty above, of course). Thoughts? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 12:03, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:As has been noted by others, if the interior art has a caption, use that for the title. Otherwise, it should be using the title of the work plus a disambiguator as noted above. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:15, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::: Yes, but that's not what the current rules say. Do we agree to amend the rules to make it clear that the caption should be used if there is one, and the title of the work in all other cases? (we may want to refine for artwork publications). Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 11:46, 29 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::It should be optional, not a requirement. Same as it is optional to enter individual titles or leave it as one record for the entire pub. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:25, 29 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::Works for me. Anyone else who'd like to chime in? I'll try to come up with an update for the rules text to clarify that INTERIORART gets the title of the work it illustrates, and if there's a caption, that caption can be used instead. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 05:10, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
(unindent) If "... INTERIORART gets the title of the work it illustrates" means the publication title, then I object. It would make my favored approach outside standards. The title record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?919662 Winds of the Forelands (maps)] covers all the maps used in a series. It clearly shows how the maps are credited, where they appear and is easily edited if additional volumes are published. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 07:44, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I agree with John. It's important to be able to use one record for the same illustrations (maps in particular) used in a series. Sometimes the illustrations don't have a caption or there are several possible captions. A grouping title can provide a container that clarifies the use of the illustrations without unnecessarily duplicating them. The approach being discussed doesn't seem to provide for the flexibility to use a grouping title. It also feels like the proposed approach could inflate the number of works attributed to a given artist. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:20, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::The rules currently state that artwork is only supposed to be titled per the title of the work (story or publication). The above is relaxing that rule to match how things generally are done. I'm fine adding an additional relaxation for "series" artwork as I agree combining maps makes sense. But if you are both objecting to any change, then you should realize your way of handling maps is not valid per the current rules. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:11, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: The current standard for Maps - "Maps. These are considered interior art for ISFDB purposes and are typed as INTERIORART. The format for titling maps is "<b>Title of Work (map)</b>", for example: Brightness Reef (map). Optionally, if a map is titled you can use the stated title of the map without appending the name of the work, for example The Land of Nehwon (map)." (emphasis added) I interpret work as inclusive (publication, series, or story). <br />
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:::Note the wording in [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk's]] proposal - "INTERIORART always get the title of the work it's illustrating. If the work does not illustrate any particular work, use the title of the <b>publication</b> the art appears in..." (emphasis added) The change from work to publication was the source of my objection. <br />
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:::If the original intent was for work to be synonymous with publication and story only, then I am indeed proposing a change. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:05, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::Concerning illustrations (eg maps) repeated in multiple volumes (of a series), under the current rules there is always the possibility to variant titles. That will effectively tie them together - under the current rules there's no need to 'invent' a common title for use across a series.<br />
::::Mind that I'm not saying that we can't change the rules, but the change John's (and Phil's) proposing requires more discussion before (if) we can accept the change and can update the rules accordingly. What do we do with INTERIORART that has<br />
::::* a caption, artwork identical, and that caption is identical across the volumes of the series --> this is an easy one; use the caption. Will need a rules change, but per the discussion above I'm fairly certain everyone's OK with adding 'if it has a caption, you have the option to use it'<br />
::::* a caption, artwork identical, but captions differ between volumes? --> since we'd make the use of the caption optional, we could decide to either use the series' title instead, or go the variant route, using the different caption titles (this latter would be my preference, as that's common practice for variant work titles anyway)<br />
::::* no caption, artwork identical, --> either use the title of the work it illustrates and variant per the other volumes, or, use the series title instead<br />
::::* combination of the above - might not be common, but can't be excluded either imo<br />
::::and then I've not even touched John's example: how to write down the conditions to cover this case where there's a grouping of different maps involved, which are not identical across volumes?<br />
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::::Note that using the series title has its own challenges: what with series titles that change over the years? Are we going to go back and update all INTERIORART titles that were based on the old, no longer applicable, series title? What with series titles that we've "invented"? Those that are not to be found on or in the publication? Is using these "invented" titles for INTERIORART a good idea?<br />
::::Lastly, we're now having two topics to discuss: "optional usage of caption", "usage of series title". What do you say, split the discussion in two sub-discussions? (splitting would allow us to update the rules to at least allow usage of captions...) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 05:44, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Splitting it seems reasonable. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 22:06, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Numbering of pages numbered in the ToC but not numbered themselves ==<br />
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Please go read [[User talk:Nihonjoe#1634: The Bavarian Crisis|this discussion]] for background. Please keep comments here, though, since this discussion will be referred to regarding any outcome. <br />
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Here's the summary: For pages prior to the main content, we generally use the numbering found on the pages themselves (this is the same for all other content, too). In some cases, those pages don't have any numbering on the pages themselves. For those, we generally include the number of those pages in square brackets prior to the main page count. For example: "[12]+374" for a book that has 12 unnumbered pages of recordable content (maps, introductions, etc.) prior to the main content. In the case linked above, the table of contents gives Roman numerals to that content, so I used that in the numbering ("[x]+690+[3]") and included a note to that effect in the notes for the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?207873 publication]: "Although no roman numerals are printed on any pages, the Contents page lists Maps beginning on page viii."<br />
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The question is whether using the Roman numerals is what should be done here (and in other such cases). On the [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Regular Titles|Help:Screen:NewPub]] page, it states "Caution: Do not use the table of contents to determine the page numbers of a publication's contents." My understanding of this is that it's meant to prevent us from using the table of contents page numbers when they disagree with the actual page numbers (basically, when the publisher forgets to update the table of contents when a change is made that affects the page numbers). <br />
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However, I don't think it should be applied in this case since it's the reverse of what I believe the intention of that rule is. In this case, the pages themselves don't have any page numbers on them. Rather, the only place the page numbers are given is in the table of contents. Because of this, there's no disagreement between the actual page numbers (since there aren't any) and the table of contents.<br />
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So, let's sort this out. Should we completely ignore page numbers in the table of contents in ''all cases''? Are there cases (like the one described above and at that link) where we should use the information found in the table of contents? Is there something else that should be done?<br />
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Thanks for your input on this discussion. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:02, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: If I am reading this correctly, you are thinking that where [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Regular Titles|Help:Screen:NewPub]] says:<br />
:* Caution: Do not use the table of contents to determine the page numbers of a publication's contents<br />
: it was actually originally meant to say something like:<br />
:* Caution: When a page number in the table of contents contradicts the page number in the body of the publication, use the page number in the body of the publication<br />
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:* Caution: If a Contents item doesn't have a page number within the body of the publication but has a page number in the table of contents, enter the latter in the Page Number field and put square brackets around the value<br />
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::I think the intent of it was the first one, as that's how I've always seen it applied in the past. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:00, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::The thread title misstates the fundamental problem. At question is the proper handling of unnumbered pages before page 1 which contain indexable content. Proper determination of the Pages field in the publication metadata is the source of contention. I maintain that this situation is addressed in bullet point 3, under Pages, [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages here]. [[User:Nihonjoe]] argues that Arabic numerals are not required and Roman numerals may be used instead. I see nothing in the help which allows this. The help specifically calls for Arabic numerals. The proper entry for the page field of each content title flows directly from the publication Pages field. <br />
:::If we decide that Roman numerals are appropriate, bullet points 2 and 3 will need to be completely rewritten. Of course I will support any consensus decision. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:06, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Sorry if it was confusing for you, but that wasn't my intent. Perhaps the title of this discussion isn't as clear as you would prefer, but the post itself is very clear. I was trying to be concise as really long section titles can be cumbersome. <br />
::::Regarding the rest of your comment, it really depends on the definition of "unnumbered" since I'm arguing that the ToC ''does'' number the pages since it has page numbers and the pages themselves do not. We need to determine if the ToC can ''absolutely never'' be used for any page numbers, or if (as I'm arguing in this case) it can be used for those page numbers when the ToC has them but the pages do not have them and the page numbers cannot be derived from surrounding pages that ''do'' have page numbers. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:51, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I think that using the numbers from the table of contents, with a note stating so, makes more sense in this case than inventing new numbers and discarding information printed in the book. I've always read this part of the help in the same way as you - it is there to define what to use when the actual book and the contents page disagree not to prohibit using the TOC when it is the only source.<br />
: With this being said, I can see the other side of the argument (for consistency sake if nothing else) - but my gut feeling is to go with what is printed in the book itself. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 20:08, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: (after edit conflict) I am in Annie's camp. I don't have strong feelings about this, other than I think from a database user's perspective, it would be somewhat strange to have content listed as on "[7]" when the TOC says it is on "v". My inclination is to adjust the "Caution" wording slightly to say that page numbers should be taken from the numbers printed on each content item's page, not from the TOC. Then in the "Pages without a printed page number" section add a bullet stating that if the page is given a number in the TOC, that number should be treated as if printed on the page, as long as not in conflict with numbering printed on other pages or with the number of physical pages in the publication. Something like that. That should be compatible with the other rules, page count determinations, etc. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 20:21, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::My only real problem with using a Roman numeral found only in the ToC is that if a reader were to pick up the book, look at the ToC, and try to go to that page, they couldn't find it using the page reference. No matter what, there definitely needs to be note describing the situation. More than anything, I would just like a well-stated, clear rule to apply. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 21:34, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::I definitely agree. Having a note in these cases is very important. Having a clear and concise guideline is as well. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:29, 19 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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(unintend) Let me clarify a couple of things. We are currently discussing ''Unnumbered pages within a range of unnumbered pages'' scenarios. Help currently says:<br />
* If a content starts on an unnumbered page within a range of unnumbered pages, its page number should first be derived and then entered in squared brackets. The page number can be derived by counting forward from the first page of the section of unnumbered pages. For example, if a content appears on the fifth page in a range of unnumbered pages, enter "[5]". <br />
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If I understand it correctly, the proposal under consideration would add a sub-rule after the second sentence, something like:<br />
* If the table of contents specifies the page number where the content starts AND that page number matches the number derived by counting forward, then use the numerals (i.e. Arabic or Roman) found in the table of contents. If the page number in the table of contents doesn't match the number derived by counting forward, then use the number derived and Arabic numerals.<br />
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The caveat after the capitalized "AND" above would be presumably needed to account for situations where the page number in the table of contents doesn't match the number derived by counting forward since we all know how bad tables of contents can be (my "favorite" example is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?28666 here].)<br />
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Am I reading this correctly? Also, will this affect ''Unnumbered pages within a range of numbered pages'' scenarios which are covered by a separate Help paragraph? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:12, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Very close to an edit conflict with Ahasuerus.<br />
:Ahasuerus: Your understanding of the discussion re: ''Unnumbered pages within a range of unnumbered pages'' is correct. The situation of ''Unnumbered pages within a range of numbered pages'' has not yet been considered.<br />
:What follows below is what I had prepared to say before Ahasuerus jumped in first. :-) [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:58, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::The ISFDb rules already have a method for assigning page numbers to unnumbered pages that are not derivable by counting forwards / backwards, namely, the use of Arabic numerals in square brackets. So we don't need to resort to a secondary source for the page number. The way Pages are denoted in the ISFDb is already horrendously complicated and if we adopt the use of Roman numeral page numbers from the ToC where no number is printed on the actual page then we introduce further complications and also open other cans of worms. Examples:<br />
::1) Should the Roman numeral be enclosed in square brackets? This is currently not supported in the ISFDb rules.<br />
::2) Suppose a map is on an unnumbered page that is derivable by counting backwards (page 4, say) but the ToC lists it on page iv? What do we do? [Ahasuerus' proposed sub-rule addresses this case]<br />
::3) Suppose there is an article on an unnumbered page that is not recordable in the Contents section but the ToC lists it with a Roman numeral page number? What do we do?<br />
::If we use page numbers from the ToC then all the consequences and implications need to be considered and documented.<br />
:: I am in favour of not using page numbers from the ToC where no number is printed on the actual page.<br />
::Whichever way this goes:<br />
::i) the Help notes need updating to clarify what to do<br />
::ii) a pub note definitely needs to be added to explain the discrepancy and the Help notes should state this. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:59, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::Here are a few questions using the publication which caused me to raise this issue, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?207873 The Bavarian Crisis]. Pages: '[x]+690+[3]'. L-O-C '690' pages<br />
:::* Is anyone else concerned that the Pages field will differ from all secondary sources? (L-O-C in the above example). When we use bracketed Arabic numerals it's an obvious ISFDB construct. <br />
:::* Looking at my copy, viii is the only Roman numeral in the TOC. I assume [x], brackets addressed by [[User:Teallach|Teallach]], is a count of the total pages before page 1. This differs from how we presently deal with Roman numerals. Should the Pages field be 'viii+690+[3] or would that be another explanation in the help section?<br />
:::* I repeat for emphasis [[User:Teallach|Teallach's]] point 3.<br />
:::* The Pages field will become impossible for a reviewer to confirm unless they own the publication or there is a scan available. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:12, 21 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Regarding each point:<br />
::::*Our page counts already often differ from those at many secondary sources. Whether the bracketed numerals are Arabic or Roman doesn't make our way of listing page numbers any less an "obvious ISFDB construct". There are a number of things we do here which can be confusing to people outside of ISFDB (the whole CHAPBOOK thing, for example). In this case, the only reason I put the Roman numerals in brackets was because the pages themselves are not numbered, and we'd do the same thing if they were completely unnumbered (meaning no mention of page numbers in the ToC or on the pages themselves).<br />
::::*The [x] is the total number of unnumbered valid content pages, derived from counting forward and backward from the one page number mentioned in the ToC for the pre-story content. Since the pages themselves didn't have any actual page numbers on them, but the page number for one of the pages was listed in the ToC, I used that. <br />
::::*I don't really understand what Teallach means by "Suppose there is an article on an unnumbered page that is not recordable in the Contents section but the ToC lists it with a Roman numeral page number? What do we do?" If the content is not recordable, then we don't include the content, regardless of whether it appears in the ToC or not, and regardless of whether it has page numbers or not. We do include the page numbers, however (for example, if there's an "Acknowledgements" or an "About the Author", and the pages were numbered, we'd include them in the page count but wouldn't record the content as a separate title. I would also include a note explaining the situation. <br />
::::*Unless a reviewer has a copy of the publication (whether physical or a PDF or scan of the publication in question), they wouldn't be able to confirm anything anyway. Maybe I'm misunderstanding this concern, but it seems like a non-concern from how I'm reading it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:24, 23 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::This pending edit, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5796089, relates to this discussion. Is the way I entered numbers the way it's been decided they're supposed to be done? Because it does mention "179" on contents page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:49, 24 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::Nihonjoe: here is an example to clarify my point 3).<br />
::::::The text of a novel starts on a page with a printed number of 1 and finishes on a page with a printed number of 999. There are ten unnumbered pages in the book before the start of the novel. A one page "About the Author" article appears on the fifth of these pages. The ToC lists the "About the Author" article and assigns it a page number of v.<br />
::::::Now, we don't record the "About the Author" article in the Contents section but what do we put in the publication Pages field? The possibilities seem to be 999 or v+999 or [v]+999 [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:54, 24 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::I'd do either v+999 or [v]+999 (depending on if we want to count the ToC assigning a page number as "numbered" or "unnumbered"), unless the "About the Author" is multiple pages, and then I'd extend the Roman numeral count accordingly. In your example, I'm assuming there is no other content, recordable or otherwise, outside of the "About the Author" section? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:39, 24 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::::I was not looking for a solution to the example. I just provided it to clarify my case 3 because you said you did not really understand it. At this stage of the proceedings I do not consider it appropriate to start working solutions to the three cases I raised, firstly because they will not be relevant if the consensus is that we do not use page numbers from the ToC where the pages are not numbered themselves and secondly because we risk losing focus on the main issue. The existing rules for Pages are already very complicated. If we do use page numbers from the ToC where the pages are not numbered themselves then all those cases I described (plus possibly others that I and other editors / moderators have not thought of or raised yet) will need to be discussed, agreed upon and have additional rules added to the Help Notes on Pages to deal with them. This will make the rules for Pages even more complicated. I am very much against doing this unless it is necessary because the more complicated the rules are, the easier it is for editors and moderators to make mistakes. In this situation, it is not necessary. In my opinion, it's not even desirable. If we decide to not use page numbers from the ToC where the pages are not numbered themselves then we just need to add one sentence to this effect to the Help Notes and we are done. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:41, 25 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::I don't think it's a major change either way. Printed page numbering directs how we record the page number and the count of pages in the block where the numbered page appears. For pages with no numbers, either we always count and always use Arabic numerals, or we allow pages to be considered numbered by proxy via the TOC first, before defaulting to the counting + Arabic numeral scheme. Use of the TOC, however, would need some kind of caveat to cover the case where a TOC is reprinted from a different format edition without adjustment and does not match the layout (similar to copyright page/printing statement handling). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 06:14, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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=== Other Missing Values on the Title Page ===<br />
It occurs to me that the "no page number on the title page" is related to other "missing values on the title page" scenarios.<br />
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What do we do if a story or an essay doesn't have a title printed on the title page, but the information appears elsewhere within the publication, e.g. in the table of contents? [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Regular_Titles]] says:<br />
* For short stories, essays and poems, when working from a primary source, always take the title from the heading on the page where the work begins. The title shown in/on the table of contents, running page headers, index, front cover of the publication, secondary bibliography, or a promotional website listing is secondary.<br />
However, what does "secondary" mean in this case? Does it mean that we can use "secondary" titles if no title is given on the title page? If so, then we should spell it out and also explain the hierarchy of "fallback scenarios", e.g. whether the version in the "running page header" should be used before the version in the table of contents.<br />
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Similarly, what do we do if a story or an essay has no author credit? In most cases we use "uncredited", but [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Regular_Titles]] allows an exception:<br />
* If an individual work doesn't have an author credit, which is common in single-author collections, use the form of the author's name stated on the publication's main title page.<br />
Essays whose authors sign their names at the end -- as opposed to on the title page -- are another de facto exception since we typically enter the signed names in the "Author(s)" field.<br />
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These scenarios are similar to "missing page number" scenarios in that they provide alternative values -- sometimes documented in Help and sometimes undocumented -- that editors use to populate "Title" and "Author(s)" fields. I am thinking that we should start by clarifying the current rules and bringing then up to date before we start changing the rules for page numbers. For authors, it could be something like:<br />
* For Content entries, the order of locations to take author names from is:<br />
*# The title page if author name(s) are present<br />
*# The last page of the content item if signed by the author(s)<br />
*# For single-author collections only, the publication's main title page<br />
*# If none of the locations listed above list author name(s), enter "uncredited"<br />
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For titles, we will also want to clarify where the pub's main title should come from if the pub has no title page, which is increasingly common with independently published books. I have been using what's printed on the cover, but we really need to spell out what the hierarchy should be.<br />
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Once we clearly document the current de facto standard for titles and authors, it should be easier to decide what to do with page numbers. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:00, 28 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Don't forget TOC :). Not to start down a rat hole, but I believe we also don't follow strict order once the preferred location fails to provide a value. E.g., if TOC used one name and last page used another, and one was canonical, we'd likely use that. Anyway, it also sounds like we need to distinguish the "secondary" that is from-the-pub-but-not-in-the-official-place from "secondary" that is from-somewhere-other-than-the-pub. Perhaps "fallback" for the former? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 22:12, 30 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: I have run [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=untitled&type=Fiction+Titles a few database searches] and it looks like we use the following values for works without a title:<br />
:::* "Untitled" -- note the capitalization -- e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1732839 this story] or [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1722146 this poem]<br />
:::* "untitled" -- all lowercase -- e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?270431 this story] or [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1337411 this poem]<br />
:::* "Untitled" or "untitled" followed by the first few words in the body of the work in parentheses, e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1566996 Untitled ("1.6: These texts are a book about the people and their Gods ...")] (SHORTFICTION) or [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2913627 untitled ("A gate in rubble")] (POEM)<br />
:::* "Untitled" or "untitled" followed by a short description of the work, e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1851523 "(Untitled Congratulations to Isaac Asimov)"]<br />
:::* The same as immediately above except disambiguated, e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1951605 "(untitled editorial) (ERB-dom, June 1973)"]<br />
:::* "[Untitled]" or "[untitled]", e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2846492 this story] or [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1081917 this poem]<br />
:::* "(Untitled)" or "(untitled"), e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1405437 this story] or [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1405439 this poem]<br />
:::* The same as immediately above except disambiguated, e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2034496 (untitled) (Twisted #4, Summer 1987)] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2034510 (untitled) (Twisted #4, Summer 1987) [2\]]<br />
::: So a lot of different scenarios, all of them revolving around the use of "untitled". I don't think we have this de facto standard documented anywhere, do we? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:34, 1 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: I believe for poems we also sometimes use the first line, or portion thereof, in quotes (without "untitled"). I believe I have done it, and I don't recall from where I got the practice. Of course, I believe lots of things.... --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:06, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Relating to the third item in the listing of the order of locations to take author names from: I think it would be meaningful to also add novels to this item (to use the publication's main title page), in case there are forewords, prefaces, notes worthy to add, all of which are unsigned but obviously written by the author(s) of the novel. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 05:34, 31 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Kindle Vella - In or Out? ==<br />
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We have two previous discussions I can find ([[ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive52#Kindle_Vella_ASINs|this one]] and [[ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive51#New_Amazon_service_-_Kindle_Vella|this one]]), neither of which seemed to come to any conclusion. Do we want to include them as ebooks, or do they not count as ebooks since they can only be viewed within the Kindle app or on an actual Kindle device? Would they be considered serials? They seem to be a bit outside the norm for what we accept here. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:19, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Note: I've placed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5764527 this submission] on hold pending the outcome of this discussion. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:27, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: The first [[ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive52#Kindle_Vella_ASINs|linked discussion]] petered out when we couldn't find a way to download Vella files. As I wrote at the time:<br />
::* With regular e-books that you purchase on Amazon, you go to "Manage Your Content and Devices", then "Digital Content", then "Books". When the desired book is displayed in the list, click "More Actions" on the right. In the pop-up list select "Download & transfer via USB" and click "Download". This will download the book as an azw3 file.<br />
::* When you follow the same steps for a Vella serial, you get to the last step, but the "Download" button is grayed out. Instead you get a "You do not have any compatible devices registered for this content. Buy a Kindle or get the free Kindle reading app." I haven't been able to find a way around it. Ahasuerus 16:49, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
:: You then responded with:<br />
::* That's probably due to Vella still being in beta. I haven't been able to figure out how to do it, either. I'll keep trying different ways. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 20:05, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Any luck since then? I haven't touched Vella, so I am out of the loop. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:28, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I haven't really tried since then. I don't like Vella myself. It's a pain to use and there's not enough there that interests me enough to make a concerted effort to try to figure it out. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small><br />
::::One of the books I recently added to the DB is also published on Kindle Vella. I tried in vain to find the the release dates for each chapter but gave it up as a wasted effort. If we can't get critical data like the publishing date, I'd say Out. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 22:02, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Yeah, Amazon has not made it easy to figure out anything regarding Vella works. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:04, 23 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::And I'd say Out as well, until the releases are collected into something which has identifying information and a release date. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:12, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Linking to third party Web pages -- defining "legally posted" ==<br />
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[https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Moondust This Community Portal discussion] got me thinking. [[Template:TitleFields:WebPage]] starts with:<br />
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* '''Web Page''' - A field for the URL of a Web page related to this title. Examples of related Web pages include '''legally posted''' versions of the title's text [emphasis added]<br />
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Our goal when originally crafting this Help template was to make sure that we wouldn't become a hub for links to unauthorized copies of texts still under copyright protection. The Help language seemed self-explanatory at the time, but how can our editors tell whether a "version of the title's text" has been "legally posted"? For example, the [http://www.luminist.org/archives/ main Luminist page] justifies the fact that they host copyrighted works without permission as follows:<br />
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: This collection may contain copyrighted material which has not been specifically authorized for our use. The copyright law of the United States (Title 17, United States Code) provides for making “fair use” copies of copyrighted materials under certain conditions, including that that the reproduction is not to be used commercially or “for any purpose other than private study, scholarship, or research.”<br />
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As I pointed out on the Community Portal, that's an odd interpretation of the copyright law:<br />
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: The part of the Copyright Law that they cite -- "for any purpose other than private study, scholarship, or research" -- doesn't come from the "fair use" clause ([https://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107 Section 107 of the Copyright Act].) Instead it comes from [https://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#108 Section 108, "Reproduction by libraries and archives"]. Section 108 is a lengthy section with a set of provisions that are completely different from the "fair use" provisions in Section 107. It's odd that the Luminist Web site cites Section 108 ("libraries and archives") language to support what they state is a Section 107 ("fair use") exception.<br />
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: I should add that both Section 107 and Section 108 lawsuits can get complex and technical as we saw during [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hachette_v._Internet_Archive Hachette v. Internet Archive] in 2020-2023. <br />
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This stuff can get confusing very quickly, so I think we need a set of unambiguous rules that editors and moderators could use when deciding whether to add/approve a link to a third party-hosted text.<br />
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In addition, the fact that we currently link both to the US-based Project Gutenberg and to [http://gutenberg.net.au/ Project Gutenberg Australia] -- which use different copyright rules and have different sets of texts available for download -- suggests that we interpret "legally posted" to mean "legally posted in the jurisdiction where the third party Web site is hosted". We may want to make it explicit in the template. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:49, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I agree that making it more clear in our documentation will be a good thing. I think we should generally avoid linking to full scans in cases where the item in question may not be in the public domain. This might mean removing some archive.org links as their track record of making sure things are in the public domain is questionable. On the other hand, they do act more like a library in that (generally) things that are not in the public domain can either be browsed on the site in a limited fashion or checked out for a specific amount of time for more lengthy review. Luminist does not do that. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:44, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::Or how about not taking any links down unless a specific individual asks ISFDB to do that? Archive.org links over the last 3 years that I've added, several thousand by now probably, are mostly still working when I happen across them later on to update info but occasionally I'll click a link and there will be that message about the upload being taken down; could be lots of reasons and probably they do get complaints now and then from Harlan Ellison types who think they own everything but most (living) authors don't care with many glad to see their works available to such a wide audience because in many cases publishers have no interest in reprinting their books. Many (most, probably) copies on Archive.org are ex-library and often not in the best condition with people clearly donating them instead of tossing them in the trash because they know how hard many of the books are to find these days and they want people to be able to read them. I recently did some more MZB Sword and Sorceress edits after doing a lot of them long ago and noticed that 3 links to volumes in that series I added back then had been taken down so I removed those links since all 3 had one other copy also linked; they all had the kind of URL where it's obvious that someone uploaded the books themselves, not the typical Archive URL for books they digitized, so maybe somebody asked them to take their copies down. The issues of copyright around Marion Zimmer Bradley's works are notorious and can easily be read about online; one wishes her trustees cared less about protecting/profiting off her works and more about her (and her husband's) history re: children but that's another story. So that's my suggestion - let the Internet Archive handle requests to take certain books down, which they are clearly willing to do if someone asks them, and let ISFDB stay out of it and remain solely a research site. If anyone comes across a record with a link that's no longer working, just remove it. If you allow users of this site to decide what should be taken down you're going to create a huge mess with people taking down links to authors they don't like or links added by editors they don't like and I don't think anyone wants that. I'd still like the Moondust edit to be un-rejected if that's possible but if not at least people now know where to go if they want to read it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:25, 27 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Let's first try to determine if there are areas that we all agree on. I can think of two scenarios that unambiguously fall under the "legally posted" clause of [[Template:TitleFields:WebPage]]:<br />
:::* Links to texts that have been made available by the copyright holder. ("Copyright holder" is important because in certain cases it may not be the same as the author.)<br />
:::* Links to texts that are out of copyright in the jurisdiction where the linked site is located. (The qualifier is important since copyright laws are different in different countries.) We could also add links either to our Wiki pages or to third party Web page explaining how to determine whether a given text is out of copyright in common jurisdictions.<br />
::: This leaves us with texts that are still under copyright in the jurisdiction where the linked Web site resides, but the site owner claims some kind of exemption, whether it "fair use", "libraries and archives" or something else. The problem here is that it's hard to tell if the claimed exemption is (a) really in compliance with the relevant laws and (b) whether the site owner accurately represents the site's position on copyright.<br />
::: Apparently the legality of ''linking'' to illegally posted copyrighted material has been an area of active litigation both in the US, where "contributory copyright infringement" is illegal (but the details are complicated -- see [https://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/linking-copyrighted-materials this article for a high level overview]), and in Europe (see [https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=af0557cd-6f40-4509-bc8f-30538a14bf14 this discussion]).<br />
::: A recent example of how these things can go is Anna's Archive, i.e. annas-archive.org. When it appeared about a year ago, I poked around, found literally millions of copyrighted books and articles and immediately wondered whether it was legal. More digging discovered that they apparently had two lines of defense. First, they stated that:<br />
:::* We do not host any copyrighted materials here. We are a search engine, and as such only index metadata that is already publicly available. When downloading from these external sources, we would suggest to check the laws in your jurisdiction with respect to what is allowed. We are not responsible for content hosted by others.<br />
::: Second, they had a DMCA page which let copyright owners request that links be taken down.<br />
::: I wasn't sure whether it would be enough to make the site legal in most jurisdictions, but I am not an expert.<br />
::: Fast forward to January 2024 and we have [https://goodereader.com/blog/e-book-news/annas-archive-blocked-following-publishers-protest-over-piracy-accusations this 2024-01-08 report]:<br />
:::* On December 4, 2023, the Italian Publishers Association (AIE) filed a copyright complaint against Anna’s Archive. [snip] AIE’s complaint cites over 30 books, emphasizing that this is just a glimpse of the content distributed by Anna’s Archive to which its members hold rights. [snip]<br />
:::* With no counterclaims from the contacted parties and clear evidence of mass infringement, an order was issued to Italian ISPs to disable https://annas-archive.org through a DNS block within 48 hours. Visitors to the site are now met with a blocking page in Italian.<br />
::: Granted, we don't position ourselves as a "search engine for ''shadow libraries''" the way Anna's Archive does, so we are in a somewhat different position. However, if we end up with hundreds or thousands of links to Web pages whose legality we can't easily determine, we may find ourselves in a legally questionable situation. It may be safer to simply stay away from sites of that nature. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:13, 28 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: There is a very big difference between hosting content and linking to someone else's hosted content. It is unreasonable to expect our editors and moderators to be expert enough to evaluate sites' legal claims. I think our policy should be something like: "Only links to content legally posted in the host site's jurisdiction are permitted, but the ISFDB is not qualified to make legality assessments. If ISFDB becomes aware of legal action resulting in the suspension or prohibition of a site's display of certain content, links to that site's posting of the content will be removed until the matter is resolved, or permanently, according to the circumstances." And then provide a mechanism to notify the ISFDB of host site legal issues/legal challenges to a site's posting(s). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 06:51, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::::There are currently a large number of edits in the queue adding links. Should these be held/skipped pending the results of this discussion? --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:36, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::::One other thing we could do is maintain a list of sites to which ISFDB has chosen to prohibit any content links (sort of a complement to the deep-linking-permitted list) due to concerns with the site's general compliance with applicable copyright laws. That should be clear for everyone, and the software could help enforce it. ISFDB is under no obligation to permit links, so legal precision is not necessary. There could be some transparent process for managing entries on the list (e.g., an R&S discussion with a definitive conclusion required). We could have some general guidelines for what does or does not merit being on the list. For example, we might decide that sites engaged in good-faith copyright protection and infringement dispute resolution -- e.g., such as Google Books, Internet Archive, and Project Gutenberg -- are not candidates despite any specific infringement complaints, while sites subject to multiple complaints and not obviously engaged in protection management and infringement dispute resolution -- e.g., such as the Anna's Archive example above -- are candidates. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:09, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::::I agree. Anna's Archive (and the once-popular site Ocean of PDF and all the others, many probably run by the same people under different names) pretends to be aboveboard but they're really just a dumping ground for pirated e-books and their download page is a list of shady sites, users being encouraged to become members if they want faster downloads, including the infamous LibGen that encourage bulk torrent downloads that are certainly not being used just for some light reading. Any site that has individual pages for each work, Archive.org, Luminist, Galactic Journey, etc. should be acceptable. Any site which mentions bulk or torrent or anything similar is a no-no. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:27, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::::Speaking of which, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_webpage&O_2=contains&TERM_2=oceanofpdf&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication], I did a search for webpages with oceanofpdf and those 2 links were added by Zapp in 2023. I think they should be removed and, if you do decide to make a blacklist, Ocean of PDF should be on it, not only because of pirating but because it's virus city and you don't want anyone clicking on a link and screwing up their computer. There's no viruses on Archive.org or any of the other legit sites mentioned above. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:35, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::::: The topic is expressly the Web Page field, but does all of this apply to recording the site or document in a Note field? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 15:40, 29 January 2024 (EST)</div>
Holmesd
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<p>Holmesd: {{CID1
|Title=Lilith's Brood
|Edition=Grand Central Publishing Unknown year tp
|Pub=LLTHSBRDMP0000
|Publisher=Grand Central Publishing
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Holmesd}}</p>
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{{CID1<br />
|Title=Lilith's Brood<br />
|Edition=Grand Central Publishing Unknown year tp<br />
|Pub=LLTHSBRDMP0000<br />
|Publisher=Grand Central Publishing<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Holmesd]]}}</div>
Holmesd
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<p>Holmesd: {{CID1
|Title=Definitely Maybe
|Edition=Melville House 2014 tp
|Pub=DFNTLMBNVR2014
|Publisher=Melville House
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Holmesd}}</p>
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=Definitely Maybe<br />
|Edition=Melville House 2014 tp<br />
|Pub=DFNTLMBNVR2014<br />
|Publisher=Melville House<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Holmesd]]}}</div>
Holmesd
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<p>Holmesd: {{CID1
|Title=The Doomed City
|Edition=Chicago Review Press 2016 tp
|Pub=THDMDCTZQL2016
|Publisher=Chicago Review Press
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Holmesd}}</p>
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{{CID1<br />
|Title=The Doomed City<br />
|Edition=Chicago Review Press 2016 tp<br />
|Pub=THDMDCTZQL2016<br />
|Publisher=Chicago Review Press<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Holmesd]]}}</div>
Holmesd
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<p>Holmesd: /* Pratchett's Eric - converting into novella? */ chime</p>
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== This World Is Taboo ==<br />
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{{T|3533|This World Is Taboo}} is currently listed as a novel with a title record note of "first appeared as 'Pariah Planet' in Amazing, July 1961". A word count of the {{P|272861|Project Gutenberg edition}} (which is a transcription of the Ace Book edition) shows it to be 35,932 words (so a novella and not a novel). A comparison of the [https://archive.org/details/Amazing_Stories_v35n07_1961-07_UnkSc-cape1736/page/n5/mode/2up Amazing Stories, July 1961 Internet Archive scan] shows the text of {{T|60646|Pariah Planet}} to match that of "This World Is Taboo". So "This World Is Taboo" should be converted to a novella and varianted to "Pariah Planet". This would also require converting {{T|136377|The Med Series}} from an omnibus to a collection as all contents would then be short fiction.<br />
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I will be notifying all the active verifiers of pubs containing "This World Is Taboo" and pointing them to this centralized conversation. If there are no objections, I will convert the novel to a novella in a few days. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 06:42, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No objections to converting. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:30, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5780069. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:35, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Works for me as well. The Project Gutenberg version of "Pariah Planet" contains 35,002 words, but the difference may be due to the extensive footers and headers (copyright statements etc) that PG tends to add. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:44, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Imported the story text of both PG versions (excluding headers, footers, page numbers) into Word and did a compare. Pariah has 34,041 words and Taboo has 35,932 words. There has been some editing between the two versions including a scattering of an additional explanatory sentence here and there. All in all, it's close enough to consider the same work. I will add an explanatory note to both title records when varianting. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:48, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::: Ok with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:30, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::Support the change.15:58, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::Works for me, thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 23:25, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::: Ok with me too. --[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] ([[User talk:Dirk P Broer|talk]]) 11:16, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::Sounds good to me. Definitely include the above information in the note for the TITLE record. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:45, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Changes made as discussed. Thanks all. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:37, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== More than one edition? ==<br />
<br />
Hi. I just heard of this at Capclave this weekend. Looked up my one published (so far) novel, 11,000 Years. <br />
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Problem: the original publisher, the late Eric Flint's Ring of Fire Press, was shut down after his death. The novel is now *republished* by another publisher. I don't see "other editions", or any obvious reasonable way to add this info (which is important to me, since it *is* now back in print.<br />
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Thanks in advance. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Whitroth|Whitroth]] ([[User talk:Whitroth|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Whitroth|contribs]]) .</small> 08:18, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3054628. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:59, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Since the new editions will have different ISBNs and publishers, they are just a new publication under the same title. You can certainly add notes to both the title and publication records as well. It looks like the tp edition was added by Fixer back in August but the ebook is yet to be added. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 12:35, 3 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?13521; If you enter anything I think the publisher should be changed in some way to differ it from the one that did magazines 50 years ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:27, 3 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Cute, Amazon. Per the Look-inside views, the publisher is actually Novus Mundi Publishing. If you want me to do the edits and clone for the ebook, I can but you can do it yourself. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 17:09, 3 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Fosses d'Iverson ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=dan+simmons+fosses; I was doing a bunch of Dan Simmons edits and came across that French edition where they packaged his story "Iverson's Pits" into its own separate book; in case anyone here who's fluent wants to enter it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:15, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Beyond the Doors of Death ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5781424; Title date is different than date of both editions, intro is entered with one of those dates while Broderick's original story is entered with the other date, what should the real date be for all of these? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:55, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Complete Cthulhu Mythos Tales ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5781813; I'm not sure which of those 3 page counts is correct. Last numbered page is 593 but there's an "About the Artist" page following it which probably shouldn't count but the editor of the Sterling edition here entered 594 and also has the Roman numerals one higher than the Fall River edition, so maybe Sterling added an extra page to the book and the last numbered page really is 594. If anyone owns Fall River, B&N first printing or Sterling all that can be checked and fixed as needed. Also, does ISFDB software know not to import titles already there? Because I think it removed intro automatically which someone added to all 3 editions. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:02, 3 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jane Gaskell Sphere Editions ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=jane+gaskell+sphere&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=year%3A%221967%22; Those books have prices and dates which are the same as what's on ISFDB but the covers are totally different; anybody who knows the history of these UK paperbacks where they change covers and nothing else may know what year these are really from and would like to enter them here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:50, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Who Is N. Dalby? ==<br />
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https://richarddalbyslibrary.com/products/all-hallows-3-1991-the-journal-of-the-ghost-story-society-barbara-roden-christopher-roden-ash-tree-press-4; I suspect the N. Dalby credited on p. 13 is actually Richard Dalby; does anyone own this issue who can look for a signature on the artwork if there is one? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:17, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Late Victorian Gothic Tales ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?448651; I added an archived 2009 edition (7th printing) just now and was nearly fooled into cut-and-pasting the page count from the 2009 edition already on ISFDB until my usual paranoia caused me to check the copy itself only to discover count is much higher, 282 pages. Does anyone own the first printing who can check and fix count if needed? There's no edit history; I'm sure all printings are 282 and the wrong info is from Amazon or some other unreliable site. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:44, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Balzac ==<br />
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Looking for the year of publication by P. F. Collier & Son New York For The First Complete Translation into English Honore de Balzac in Twenty-Five volumes? There is not ISBN number. The covers are green with gold lettering and HB is embossed on the cover and binder side. {{unsigned|Tina.adams}}<br />
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: I have this edition in my collection, but it's currently boxed and I can't get to it. Luckily, you can view and/or download individual volumes of this edition from Google Books, e.g. [https://www.google.com/books/edition/Honor%C3%A9_de_Balzac_in_Twenty_five_Volumes/I_RDAAAAYAAJ?hl=en Volume 25]. There is "MCM" at the bottom of the title page, which is Roman numerals for "1900". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:12, 5 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::I too have this collection which is why I was enquiring. I inherited it along with a collection of Robert Louis Stevenson published in New York by Charles Scriberner's Sons from 1905. {{unsigned|Tina.adams}}<br />
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:::https://archive.org/search?query=%22+p.+f.+collier%22+balzac+volumes&sort=title. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:35, 5 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Nick Smith ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?41231; The Smith who wrote the 4 novels is from England and born in 1972 (I've been adding stuff to Luath Press books and his bio is on their site) so is not the same Smith who did everything else on the page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:15, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Novelist has been separated out. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:40, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Alexander Forbes ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?127476; A copy of Radio Gunner was uploaded earlier this year so I have an edit pending with a link, either the story is by some youngster or they reprinted something by the older guy, also FantLab has someone with a similar name who illustrated an old book that seems to be about fairies judging by some of the scanned photos (Blue Fairy, maybe?), https://fantlab.ru/art9514, but his dates don't match the novelist so probably a different Forbes, if anyone can translate maybe they can decide whether the fairy book belongs here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:56, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Canonical name change Xan van Rooyen from Suzanne van Rooyen ==<br />
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Any objections to making [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?328437 Xan van Rooyen] the canonical name and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?165580 Suzanne van Rooyen] an alternate?<br />
* 15 titles credited to Xan van Rooyen.<br />
* 14 titles credited to Suzanne van Rooyen.<br />
The about section on the [http://suzannevanrooyen.com/about-xan/ author's website] (the url does use suzannevanrooyen) is titled Xan van Rooyen and the author explicitly asks to be called Xan. All titles since 2020 are credited to Xan van Rooyen. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:32, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Sounds good to me. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:03, 9 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Hearing no objections, the relationship has been reversed. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:07, 13 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== ESFS ==<br />
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While searching for something I came across this, https://fantlab.ru/award30; I don't see that award on ISFDB so maybe this can be something useful to enter for someone. There's a few mentions of it in notes, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/note_search_results.cgi?OPERATOR=contains&NOTE_VALUE=esfs. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:14, 8 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Falcons ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5785847; I entered Book of Lyonne here nearly 2 years ago; today I came across 2 eBay listings with 12 photos each. I see the reason I didn't enter the price back then is because FantLab has a price-clipped photo but eBay copies are not clipped. I think all 8 Peake drawings are viewable; I see the lion on the frontispiece, a weird hybrid creature with an umbrella, a little man-beast smoking a cigar, the lion with a Japanese lady, a tiptoeing elephant, a couple of ducks, a monkey diving at a bird, and a group shot of a bunch of animals following the lion around a tree. I also want to clear up the Falcon Press mess which I believe I asked about a long time ago without success. Per the note the UK publisher used both Falcon Press and The Falcon Press; I suppose it's possible that the UK Frazetta book published more than 20 years after the others is by the same publisher but I doubt it. Then there's Wilson's 2 US books and a much later reprint of a Robert W. Chambers book. So we've got 1, possibly 2, UK and 1, possibly 2, US Falcons. If anyone's interested and can provide more info I'm sure we can separate all of them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:30, 8 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Elizabeth Davis ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?210874; Someone recently entered Old Woman and I followed up with a PENDING edit fixing/adding stuff; the story & poem almost certainly belong to one of the other Davises but they're both contemporary so it's hard to say which. I would guess it's (I) but her webpage isn't found online and typing the titles of the story and poem together on Google gets nothing so no online bibliography, it seems. EDIT: Davis (I) webpage, https://www.elizabethdavis.mercierdavis.com/, is found if you type it directly into the URL bar but her bibliography ends in 2021; both story and poem are 2022. The search goes on. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:57, 8 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Smashwords Author Images ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5786282; Coming across that awful author photo annoyed me so much I tried to replace it but Amazon seems to no longer have that one and now has 2 that are equally worthless; one is an "S" image that ISFDB doesn't like and the other isn't actually a photo but some kind of cartoon drawing. I resorted to looking at the old ISFDB "image linking permissions" page and decided to try Smashwords, found his photo, checked to see how the image is supposed to be entered, and to my great surprise it worked. Then I decided to do an advanced author search for images containing either "cloudfront" or "smashwords" and got nothing. So is it possible that this will be the only Smashwords photo on ISFDB? Anyway, anyone looking for images on Amazon who can't find any or only bad ones, try Smashwords. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:13, 9 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
: 230 publications use smashword images as of 13:43, 9 October 2023. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:43, 9 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Authors is what I was referring to. Book covers are usually uploaded on many sites but photos are often unique. I searched this page, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_selection.cgi?author, for "Author Image contains smashwords" and got nothing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:08, 9 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I approved the submission, but then uploaded the image from their Amazon author page as it wasn't blurry like the Smashwords image. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:01, 9 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mary M. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?60641; A mod just entered a 1984 novel with a jacket credit by Mary Mietzelfeld that I added plus other stuff, usual paranoia caused me to search for similar names and I got the link above, I imported cover credit into '85 US and Canada and changed the date, there's also a 16th printing that has the cover credit but no cover, lots of PV for various editions so they may want to look into this and figure out where the credit came from since notes imply there's no credit in the book for some or all of the editions. Only other credit on Google I can find for "Mary Meitzelfeld" is a 1970's Mario Puzo book so I'd think Mietzelfeld is the correct spelling. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:06, 9 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== 2nd Utopia Awards ==<br />
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I asked a few months ago if the [https://www.clificon.com/nominees-voting Utopia Awards for Utopian/Climate fiction] could be added, and I was told it would be better to wait for for it to have at least a second year. Since the second edition was awarded this week, could it be added to the database now? The award is connected to the [https://www.clificon.com/schedule-1/2023-utopia-awards-climate-fiction-conference Climate Fiction Conference], which was held yesterday, and it appeared on [https://locusmag.com/2023/10/2023-utopia-awards/ Locus Magazine], so it has some grounding. My apologies if the request is inadequate.<br />
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: Thanks for the update! When we create a new Award Type, we populate the following fields:<br />
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:* Short Name, e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?44 "World Fantasy"]<br />
:* Full Name, e. g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?44 "World Fantasy Award"]<br />
:* Awarded For, e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?44 "Fantasy and horror"]<br />
:* Awarded By, e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?44 "Panel of judges chosen by the World Fantasy Awards Administration"]<br />
:* Poll (Yes/No)<br />
:* Covers more than just SF (Yes/No)<br />
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: I am trying to find information that we would need to populate these fields. So far I have had limited success. [https://www.android-press.com/clificon23/2022-utopia-award-nominees This Android Press page] seems to suggest that nominees are chosen by Android Press and the winners are determined by online voters, but it's not clear. Is there an online description of the award sponsors, nominee qualifications, award categories and the award selection process? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:16, 10 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: [https://twitter.com/solarpunklitmag/status/1651227649417650179 The nomination was also open to the public], though online voters, so both the nominees and the winners were chosen by the public. [https://www.clificon.com/nominations This link] had the rules of the qualifications during the voting process, but it's no longer visible since it was a Google formulary (like the British SF awards), from what I recall when I voted, the focus was on speculative stories (both sci fi and fantasy) about climate fiction or with an utopian/positive bent published in the previous year. You can see the categories [https://www.clificon.com/nominees-voting here]. {{unsigned|Alittlebook}}<br />
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:::https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdHgetVmOb28bWcU-W3pUIFc3d6IP5GH5V6Z620bjhyTGAygg/viewform. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:37, 11 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Thanks to [[User:Alittlebook]] for the clarifications and to [[User:Username]] for the link to the [https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdHgetVmOb28bWcU-W3pUIFc3d6IP5GH5V6Z620bjhyTGAygg/viewform 2023 nomination form].<br />
<br />
:::: The form says that the award is given to "works ... that exemplify hopeful, utopian fiction (science fiction, fantasy, climate fiction...)", which we can use to populate the "Awarded For" field.<br />
<br />
:::: The one outstanding question is the name of the body that administers the award, which we need for the "Awarded By" field. It would appear that it is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?78816 Android Press], whose first major project was [https://www.android-press.com/about Solarpunk Magazine] (2022-) and which is associated with (sponsors?) [https://www.clificon.com/ annual Climate Fiction Conferences]. Is there a statement explaining the relationship between these bodies/organizations and which one(s) administer the Utopia Awards? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:43, 11 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: From what I gathered, Solarpunk Magazine is a project done by Android Press, who created/hosted the Utopia Awards and the Climate Fiction Conference. They held a [https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/androidpress/utopia-awards-and-climate-fiction-conference Kickstarter] to fund it last year. From the description of the fundraiser, the inaugural award had their nominees chosen by an invited panel of publishing houses and magazine editors, but they shifted for public voting this year. Also, my apologies for not signing my earlier posts, I had forgotten how to, lol [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 14:06, 11 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Thanks, the [https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/androidpress/utopia-awards-and-climate-fiction-conference Kickstarter link] is very useful. So basically the core organization behind the award is [https://www.android-press.com/about Android Press], which has [https://www.android-press.com/about/android-crew 8 editors]. They organize annual "Climate Fiction Conferences" and administer the Utopia Award.<br />
:::::: We have come across publisher-administered "awards" which were actually ploys to promote the publisher's books, but in this case I don't think it's a concern. The fact that their Kickstarter was successfully funded to the tune of $5,000 is pretty convincing evidence that it's a genuine "subgenre award".<br />
:::::: Any objections to creating a new Award Type for this award? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:57, 11 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: Oh yeah, out of 47 nominees this year, only 2 are connected to one of their branches (a poem and a single short story from the Solarpunk Magazine; the authors of both works campaigned a lot during the voting, so it didn't felt like a sketchy result, and neither of them won). I followed their proccess because I'm interested in climate fiction/solarpunk and it seemed like a genuine push for the subgenre's visibility. [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 20:09, 11 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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=== Outcome of the "Utopia Awards" discussion ===<br />
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Hearing no objection, I have created a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?112 new Award Type] for "Utopia Award" as well as 9 award categories. Everything should be ready for "Add Award" submissions to be created. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:38, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks! I'm adding the awards little by little, just a question: the winner of the Anthology category this year was a special issue of Omenana, a magazine. It seems like I can't add awards to magazine issues, what should I do about it? [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 16:20, 15 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: According to [https://www.clificon.com/nominees-voting this list], the award was given to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?906921 the July, 2022 issue] aka "Issue #22" aka "Positive Visions of Democracy". As per [[Help:Screen:AddAward]]:<br />
:::ISFDB supports two different types of awards. Although they are entered and modified using the same Web pages, they are quite different and it's important to understand the difference before you start entering or editing awards. The two award types are as follows:<br />
:::* '''Title-based Awards (including Cover Art)''': Most awards are given to individual ISFDB titles, e.g. novels, non-fiction, short stories, cover art and so on. Note that these titles MUST already exist in ISFDB before you can add awards to them. If you want to add an award to a title that is not in ISFDB, then you have to enter that title first, wait for the submission to be approved and then enter the title's award(s).<br />
:::* '''Other awards''': ISFDB also supports awards given to individuals beyond their specific works, e.g. Lifetime Achievement awards. In addition, it supports awards given to publishers, editors, title series, and non-ISFDB items such as web sites, movies, graphic novels, and never-published stories (such as runner-ups in various "new story" awards). These awards are referred to as "Untitled Awards" because they are not associated with ISFDB title records.<br />
:: In this case we are dealing with an award given to a magazine issue, which is a ''publication'' as opposed to a ''title''. However, each MAGAZINE (or FANZINE) publication has an EDITOR title associated with it. It's displayed next to the words "Editor Title" right above the "Contents" line. If you follow the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3058619 link to the EDITOR title], you will see the "Add an Award to This Title" option under "Editing Tool".<br />
:: Keep in mind that an EDITOR title like "Omenana - 2022" can be shared by multiple magazine issues if they all have the same editor(s) and year of publication. Adding awards/nominations can get tricky if only one of the issues associated with the same EDITOR title is nominated. However, in this case this EDITOR title is associated with a single magazine issue, so it shouldn't be a problem.[[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:14, 15 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Got it. Just did like you said, thanks! [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 16:20, 15 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Vorzimer ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=vorzi&type=Name; Who should be parent? They're about even. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:42, 10 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: {{A|Peter Vorzimer}} was the way he was credited in the fanzine that he edited ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?227487 Abstract]) while {{A|Peter J. Vorzimer}} was the way he was credited when writing letters to {{A|Richard E. Geis}}'s [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?31311 Science Fiction Review (1st Series)]. Since "EDITOR" generally has more weight than "ESSAY" for the purposes of "best known within the genre", I made {{A|Peter Vorzimer}} the canonical name and {{A|Peter J. Vorzimer}} its alternate. Thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:56, 11 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks. I wonder if his disappearance after a few years had anything to do with this, https://latimes.newspapers.com/article/the-los-angeles-times-woman-struck-by-au/127127953/, assuming it's the same guy; the zine WAS published in California. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:21, 11 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Page 1 of the [https://fanac.org/fanzines/Abstract/ first issue of ''Abstract''] lists the publisher's address: 1311 N. Laurel Ave., W. Hollywood 46, Calif. The linked LA Times article has the same address, so it's the same person. I have added the middle name to the "legal name" field.<br />
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::: That said, the accident happened on March 17, 1954, but he continued to publish the fanzine until 1955, so it's not clear what the fallout of the accident was. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:55, 11 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Amazon URL ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5787245; It happens now and then where a URL will be different but image looks the same and is the same size. Is there no benefit to replacing or is it better to have a newer URL? Why does this happen? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:32, 11 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The sizes are actually slightly different, so the images are presumably also different, although the differences are imperceptible to the naked eye. As to why Amazon has two almost identical images, it's hard to tell. Their images come from different sources and we don't know what they are, so it may be any number of things. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:57, 11 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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EDIT: Also, my spell check doesn't like the editor's note "mis-numbers" and has a red line under the mis part; it's a legit word so I wonder if anyone else sees that, too? I did a note search and that's the only use of that word on all of ISFDB with or without the dash; editor must have been hooked on phonics that day. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:32, 11 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Spellchecking is handled by your browser as opposed to the ISFDB server. These days most browsers come with built-in spellcheckers and they usually let you add new words like "mis-numbers" to the list of recognized words. You can also install a custom browser add-on to handle spellchecking and grammar validation if you want a more sophisticated tool. There are a number of popular ones like [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/languagetool/ LanguageTool]. I am not sure how useful they would be since our Notes tend to use a lot of abbreviated sentences, but there is no harm in giving them a try. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:57, 11 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Plant Rage ==<br />
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https://fantlab.ru/edition388900; I was adding a link explaining the history of Stephen King's rare The Plant and came across that weird FantLab page where it seems a Russian publisher combined both Plant and King's hard-to-find 1977 Richard Bachman novel Rage which he hasn't allowed to be reprinted as a standalone novel in the USA because it concerns school shootings. So anyone fluent in Russian may want to add that book here since it contains 2 King works that haven't been reprinted endlessly. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:00, 12 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== By by ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?692274; OL-only archived copy, unusual for such a recent book, so I added a link and page numbers and corrected page count. I happened to notice that O'Regan's story was missing the word by at the end so I added that but I capitalized it in opposition to what this page says, https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:AllFields:Case, because it has a different meaning in this title rather than being "by" someone. I looked at these, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=passed+by&type=Fiction+Titles, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=passes+by&type=Fiction+Titles, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=passing+by&type=Fiction+Titles, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=pass+by&type=Fiction+Titles. Most are like O'Regan's title as I entered it with the majority being capitalized but a few aren't; also, I think Tarzia's poem in the last link is the only one that uses it in the possessive so that is probably a legitimate use of the small b. What does anyone else think? Some will need to be changed to make everything standard. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:48, 13 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Best of the Midwest's SFFH ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?348698; I made some edits for this book a long time ago and today found that the story by Douglas Graham is actually by D. Douglas Graham who has another story in the book by that name; I fixed that in a pending edit but while doing that I noticed that the stories are illustrated with the artists' names listed on the contents page but the search function on Google Books is not great and it's hard to find anything specific with accuracy. I see some pretty big names like Marge Simon, David Transue (who did Volume II's cover), etc. So if anyone knows how to get a look at the full copy a lot of artist credits can be entered; there seems to be no preview of Volume II but I'm guessing that's probably illustrated, too. These are rare books; the second one was recalled due to cover problems. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:37, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Hobgoblin ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?337356; I did a lot of John Coyne edits some time ago, doing more today, a lot of his HC editions on Archive.org are book club editions which aren't on ISFDB, I'm ignoring those but this one, https://archive.org/search?query=+hobgoblin00coyn&sort=-addeddate, is interesting, it says book club on front flap but, unlike other club editions, it's much longer, 307 pages, than what's on ISFDB. Library of Congress says 304 pages. So if anyone knows what non-club edition's count is, let us know. I'd like to add a link to the archived copy somewhere. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:59, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Maiden, Matron, Crone ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?168059; I added archived link to $7.50 edition in a PENDING edit; should the other edition be deleted? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:43, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Duplicate deleted. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:33, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Christina Sng ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5790172; I've added full contents but there's a problem with the last 2 poems. Her website's bibliography says 9/02 for this (Sng's title is not seen because contents are incomplete), https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439266, and it turns out it says "September" clearly on the cover so I don't know why it was entered here as October; do all dates need changing? Also, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?310470, where her site says "Turtle Shell" appeared in this issue but it says "The Scarecrow" here; I noticed the next poem by another author is "Scarecrow" so I have a feeling 2 poems got mixed up and Sng's title should be changed. However, that would require someone looking at an actual copy of this rare zine; can anyone help? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:39, 15 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Captain Shark ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?25623; Recent upload of Jaws, added a link and cover credit for famed artist Hector Garrido, none of the copies on eBay for By Pirate's Blood show copyright page, likely same artist judging by style but can't be positive, anyone own a copy? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:14, 15 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Puleo ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?184633; http://www.bewilderingstories.com/bios/puleo_bio.html; I came across this randomly and thought I'd start adding bios from that site for obscure people who don't have bios elsewhere online but I may have picked a very bad one to start with. There are numerous online newspaper sites from Kentucky, where the bio linked above says Puleo lives, detailing the arrest on child pornography charges of a Carl Puleo/Carl A. Puleo/Carl Anthony Puleo. I don't want to link to any of those sites but many of them include his picture (as do sites like therapist.com since that was his job before he was arrested) which show him to be a middle-aged white male, sometimes with a beard and sometimes not. Care must be taken not to associate the Puleo on ISFDB with the other one unless some proof can be found that they're one and the same. It's very unlikely that the issue of Vampire Dan's where his poem appeared can be found but his bio mentions Anotherealm, an online site which which has only been spottily entered here and which, on Archive.org, doesn't have any mention of the name Puleo in a URL search. I did add a note a long time ago to Edward E. Kramer's record here detailing the reason why his genre work ended in 2000 was because of similar charges but in that case his crimes are well-documented on his Wikipedia page and it's clearly the same person. So if anyone can find definitively that author Puleo is the same as criminal Puleo then I will add details to his record (and also his middle name, Anthony). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:21, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Please come participate... ==<br />
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...in [[Rules and standards discussions#Numbering of pages numbered in the ToC but not numbered themselves|this discussion]] on page numbering questions. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:09, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Lawrence the Artist ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?27810; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791436; Photo was probably taken in the mid-20th century but doesn't look much better than the one taken of Jack the Ripper's last victim in 1888; also, he bears a disturbing resemblance to a certain German dictator. More to the point, FantLab says birth year is 1884 as do some other sites online; is 1886 accurate? Also, FantLab just says he died in 1960 with no day or month so the accuracy of those entered here may not be right, either. Clouding this whole issue is this, https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/187880368/lawrence-sterne-stevens, which seems to be the same guy judging by the picture but says 1885; headstone says the same (and 1960) but provides no days or months. Wow; messy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:37, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Micromania ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?482014; https://picclick.com/?q=micromania+langford; I recently uploaded the cover, it was just approved, format says TP but cover looks like HC to me, Sphere PB has totally different ISBN (and cover), so either format should be changed to HC or there is a TP edition (but there's no proof of that online). Not sure what "adapted for the UK" on Langford's site means; did Platt have an American edition first? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:18, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== AbeBooks Links ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5786883; About this rejection, it's not correct that sale links aren't accepted because there's a whole bunch of them that were, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/webpages_search_results.cgi?OPERATOR=contains&WEBPAGE_VALUE=abebooks (the first one on that page doesn't count, it's Julie Abe's Facebook site), with at least the last one being entered by me last year and accepted with no problem, so can someone suggest how I can get that link accepted? Is there a mod here who doesn't have a problem with accepting them? Most of the AbeBooks links entered on ISFDB are still working and even when the product is sold many of the listings still remain on PicClick, Google Cache, Archive.org (https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://www.abebooks.com/signed-first-edition*), etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:36, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bioshock: Rapture ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?397958; I added archived TP link in PENDING edit, nearly got fooled into "fixing" page count to 427, usual paranoia caused me to check archived PB, it's 430, so either ex-library TP is ragged and last few pages fell out/got ripped out or Tor printers messed up. Does anyone own the TP who can verify that it ends on 430 and not 427? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:44, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ladies of Horror Fiction Award ==<br />
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Hello earthlings, I come forward with another micro award I found. <br />
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The Ladies of Horror Fiction Awards (short form: LOHF Award) was horror award given to woman authors in 2020 (for works from 2019), 2021 (for works from 2020) and 2022 (for works from 2021) by a [https://www.facebook.com/LadiesofHorrorFiction/ self-proclaimed grasshoots organization] aimed at uplifting women authors. From what I saw, they worked mostly as a website posting reviews and the award itself, and later changed to HorrorSpotlight and seem to have dropped the award entirely after the name change. Here's the Locus Magazine post about the winners from [https://locusmag.com/2020/07/2019-ladies-of-horror-fiction-awards-winners/ 2020], [https://locusmag.com/2021/07/2020-ladies-of-horror-fiction-awards-winners/ 2021] and [https://locusmag.com/2022/06/2021-ladies-of-horror-fiction-awards-winners/ 2022]. From what I gathered, they were [https://web.archive.org/web/20210609181523/https://www.ladiesofhorrorfiction.com/2019/01/08/ladies-of-horror-fiction-awards/ juri-based] (chosen by the people who mantained the Ladies of Horror Fiction website/organization), and besides the typical categories of Novel, YA, MG, Debut, Collection, Poetry Collection. Novella and Short Fiction, they also had a special category in their last year called Readers Choice, which was open for the public to vote. From what I understood from the [https://locusmag.com/2022/06/2021-ladies-of-horror-readers-choice/ Locus Magazine post about the Readers Choice category], they worked as honorary mentions for the 2022 LOFT Awards, since they listed ten different works with no specific sole winner. Their 2020 award also listed short fiction under honorable mentions, with no specific winners. [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 14:11, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Our main concern with minor awards is separating legitimate awards from promotional "awards" given by publishers to their own authors as well as "awards" given by individuals to their friends. Given the fact that [https://www.facebook.com/LadiesofHorrorFiction/about the Facebook page] run by "Ladies of Horror Fiction" has 1.7K followers I think it's a reasonably safe bet that this falls on the "legitimate award" side and therefore eligible for inclusion. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:16, 1 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Good to know! I've been taking notes on awards who aren't in the database already and slowly gathering info about them, if LOHF is added I'll work on adding the winners/nominees for it after finishing Argos. [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 00:32, 2 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Hearing no objection, I have created a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?114 new Award Type for Ladies of Horror Fiction Fiction Award]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:39, 10 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bear's Lost Souls ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?211621; I added archived links in PENDING edits to 3 editions of Greg Bear's Psychlone and noticed the edition re-titled Lost Souls had a small dark cover uploaded by, um, me in 2022. Oops. It's better than the raggedy creased cover uploaded by someone else way back in 2010 but the problem is that almost every cover currently online is the same as the one I uploaded, gregbear.com, FantLab, Open Library, etc.; the creased cover image seems to have totally disappeared (except on the Wiki page here, of course) or maybe it was someone's personal copy. The one eBay copy has a far-away tiny photo with a cracked spine and someone's bookcase in the background. Then I had a vague memory that there was a site devoted to Ace Books (not Bookscans because they end in 1980 and this edition is 1982); I found a page, http://people.uncw.edu/smithms/Ace_5N4.html, but ominously clicking the book's cover link does absolutely nothing. That sparked a memory that while editing some time ago I noticed that images from that site are broken so I assume the server where the images were kept is dead. No problem, I thought, I'll go for the archived image; only problem is I got this, [https://web.archive.org/web/20111105034307/http://people.uncw.edu/smithms/Ace%20singles/s5N-series/49492-7.jpg]. Here's a list of books with an image URL from that site, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_frontimage&O_2=contains&TERM_2=people.uncw.edu&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication], most are PV and a few that aren't are non-fiction books that don't really belong here, although there are a few non-PV books that do belong so I'll see if I can replace those. PV of all the others should probably replace theirs, too. As for Lost Souls, chime in if you can find a good cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:21, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Here is [http://people.uncw.edu/smithms/Ace%20singles/s5N-series/49492-7.jpg correct link] for the cover image file. Unfortunately, it is spoiled by a watermark in the lower right corner. --[[User:Zlogorek|Zlogorek]] ([[User talk:Zlogorek|talk]]) 03:23, 30 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Censored Breast ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?27207; I left a note to PV Stoecker about the last book in Ladd's record (which I've added an Archive.org link to, not approved yet) letting him know the artist stopped doing cover art in the mid-80s so that 1994 cover is likely re-used from somewhere else. While doing this I noticed the first book in Ladd's record, which has a collage on the cover, uses the girl from 1980's The Northern Girl but this book came out in 1978. Also, the US covers are censored; the 1978 book shows full nipple as do the 3 foreign editions of Northern Girl but the 3 US editions have an added lock of hair covering one of the breasts. I believe MagicUnk and Willem H. PV the 1978 book so they may want to variant or something similar to Northern Girl's cover, PV of US editions may want to add a note about the censorship, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:25, 19 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== A. Smothers ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=author_canonical&O_1=contains&TERM_1=alexa&C=AND&USE_2=author_canonical&O_2=contains&TERM_2=smothers&USE_3=author_canonical&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=author_canonical&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=author_canonical&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=author_canonical&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=author_canonical&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=author_canonical&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=author_canonical&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=author_canonical&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=author_canonical&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Author]; same person, 2 different websites. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:13, 19 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The artist's name is shown the same way (Alexa "Dok" Smothers) in both on-line pubs. It appears PeteYoung normalized the one occurrence and not the other when verifying. I will ping him. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:58, 22 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mondolithic ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=mondoli&type=Name; I just fixed Harry Potter cover for the second artist linked above, should that and the other cover under "Inc." have "Inc." removed so they fall under the same artist as all the others? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:54, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Again, Dangerous Visions ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5793462; The 2 Sallis titles under the heading Tissue, "At the Fitting Shop" and "53rd American Dream", are only on ISFDB in the original Doubleday edition and a 2012 Gateway e-book. Are the umbrella titles for B. Wolfe, G. Wolfe and Sallis really separate fiction of their own? This is like the Oliver Onions issue where a couple of his stories were known as "Two Trifles" but each had its own title, Ether-Hogs and Mortal, and nobody ever agreed how they should be entered so some collections have the umbrella title entered and some the individual titles. Problem is that most of Ellison's books are PV so deciding how these 3 problematic authors' stories should be entered might be a problem. Certainly at least the Sallis should be entered because as it is now it looks like they only appeared in 2 widely separated editions when they probably appeared in all of them. Also, the cover by the Dillons was used on a lot (all?) of these E-Reads editions; I remember mentioning this a long time ago but I don't think I got an answer so if anyone knows what the first use of it was then I guess all the others will need to be made a variant of it, right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:20, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Possibly this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?250744, is where the cover art originated? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:41, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Giant Bones ==<br />
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[https://www.google.com/search?q=0613068173&sca_esv=575507320&tbas=0&source=lnt&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi7toDLrIiCAxW3EVkFHcGmC_kQpwV6BAgDEBE&biw=1366&bih=667&dpr=1]; https://archive.org/search?query=beagle+giant-bones&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22; I added a link in a PENDING edit for the uploaded-in-2011 copy on Archive.org but the 2023 one has a different back cover with an ISBN that only shows up in the Google search linked above in 2 places, Archive.org and Amazon.de (with no real info except "library binding" but no such edition is mentioned on the copyright page). So if anyone knows what that copy really is, book club or something else, reply here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:09, 21 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Fantasy Worlds of Peter ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?28517; Note for Del Rey original edition says S. in author name isn't on title page so it (and possibly the later Del Rey edition) shouldn't be a variant but merged. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:54, 21 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The pub author for the verified 1979 Del Rey was already Peter Beagle. It was under the wrong title record. I unmerged it and merged it with the correct one. There is an additional problem that, while these pubs are credited to Peter Beagle, the interior contents are credited to Peter S. Beagle. Unless the contents had separate title records that had the middle initial, the contents should also be without the initial. I will ping the verifiers and point them to this discussion. Once they chime in, I will make any necessary changes. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:59, 22 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Agreed. We should drop the middle initial for the contents. [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 09:40, 22 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yes, I see where the initial should be dropped. Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 22:30, 22 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Publications' contents have been updated to be by Peter Beagle as per standards. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:33, 30 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Server downtime -- 2023-10-22 at noon EDT ==<br />
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The ISFDB server will be taken down for maintenance at 12pm server time (EDT). It should be back up within 15-20 minutes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:03, 22 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The server is back up. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:20, 22 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Irene Adler series by Carole Nelson Douglas ==<br />
<br />
I was adding ebooks to the titles in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?5659 Irene Adler] series by Carole Nelson Douglas and am surprised that they are NOT marked as non-genre. They are definitely mysteries but on the face of it, I don't see any elements in them that would make them be included as genre titles, save perhaps the short story "Dracula on the Rocks". Would there be any objection to my changing the other titles to non-genre? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 13:57, 22 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Checking the record number of the first edition pub, I see that it's very low. It means that the data was entered during the ISFDB 1.0 era, before we had the "non-genre" flag. I think it's safe to change the titles to non-genre.<br />
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: I am more curious about [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?11029 ''Fair Wind, Fiery Star''], which says "Non-genre", but the synopsis mentions a "mysterious Dutchman, a mystical sea captain". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:20, 22 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: P.S. I have checked the last page of ''Fair Wind, Fiery Star'', which mentions the "mysterious Dutchman". He is described ambiguously before he disappears. It's not clear whether he is real or a figment of the protagonist's imagination. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:28, 22 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: P.P.S. I have updated the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?11029 ''Fair Wind, Fiery Star'' title record], added the first (abridged) edition and changed the non-genre flag to 'No' until we can find more details. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:43, 22 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::I have changed the titles to non-genre. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:39, 22 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5794782. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:11, 22 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Approved, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:22, 22 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Farnol's Shadow ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5795005; If anyone wants to read Great Quietude in the 1970 reprint and decide whether it counts to be here then the rest of the stories can be deleted; he wrote a lot of pirate-related stuff and is one of those authors, like W. W. Jacobs, who stuck a few of his horror stories in between their "serious" fiction. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:34, 22 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mary Elizabeth Braddon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?78925; https://archive.org/search?query=%22Benyon%27s+Entanglement%22; After adding a link in a PENDING edit to a Vault of Evil review where it's mentioned that Braddon's story "Colonel Benyon's Entanglement" seems to be missing the ending in its reprint in a recent British anthology I looked on Archive.org to see if anyone had uploaded the original magazine serial and didn't see anything but did find that it is included in those two collections linked above (it's on pp. 291-337 in Meeting Her Fate and is spread across both volumes of The Dreaded Guest) and neither of which is on ISFDB although the story "The Dreaded Guest" is in another collection. So if anyone has the anthology and wants to compare the endings to see if it is really missing or if anyone wants to enter those 2 collections and possibly variant the story titles to one of the dozen names she was published under, please do. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:39, 23 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Midnight Tales Discussion ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rosab618#Midnight_Tales; I think I got this figured out correctly, right? EDIT: See also https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Boskar#Cockburn. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:03, 23 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Fantastic Fiction Images ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5796104; I get a scary error page when I right-click and open the old image. Anyone else? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 01:41, 24 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: When I try to access http://img.fantasticfiction.com/images/6/32797.jpg , I get the following error:<br />
:* 403 ERROR<br />
:* The request could not be satisfied.<br />
:* Bad request. We can't connect to the server for this app or website at this time. There might be too much traffic or a configuration error. Try again later, or contact the app or website owner. If you provide content to customers through CloudFront, you can find steps to troubleshoot and help prevent this error by reviewing the CloudFront documentation.<br />
:* Generated by cloudfront (CloudFront)<br />
:* Request ID: [variable request ID]<br />
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: The key word in this message is "CloudFront" -- see [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_CloudFront this Wikipedia article] for a somewhat technical summary of what it does. At the most basic level, it's an Amazon service that serves as a front end for many Web sites, in this case Fantastic Fiction.<br />
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: Normally I would expect CloudFront to redirect "http" links to their "https" counterparts automatically. The fact that it doesn't do it suggests that it isn't configured that way, either due to a human error or to technical issues that CloudFront or Fantastic Fiction may be experiencing this week. Since we need to change all FF-hosted "http" images to "https", it shouldn't be a big deal. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:07, 24 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: I believe I have changed all FF-hosted author images from "http" to "https". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:14, 24 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Argos Award / Prêmio Argos ==<br />
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I have another award suggestion for the Award Directory. I had another suggestion a few posts above (I believe it got lost among the other submissions), but I think this one should be added because it's the oldest/most traditional award given to speculative fiction in Brazil. I collected the necessary information below, including their links (their website is having problems, but it can be seen [https://web.archive.org/web/20230130054838/https://www.clfc.com.br/ here]). The award is organized and voted by the members of CLFC, a Brazilian association of readers and writers of speculative fiction. It started in 2000 and is still ongoing.<br />
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* '''Short Name:''' Argos<br />
* '''Full Name:''' Prêmio Argos / Argos Award<br />
* '''Awarded For:''' Speculative fiction originally published in Portuguese.<br />
* '''Awarded By:''' Clube de Leitores de Ficção Científica, a Brazilian association of readers and writers of speculative fiction.<br />
* '''Poll:''' Yes<br />
* '''Covers more than just SF:''' No<br />
* '''Website:''' [https://clfc.com.br Website], [https://twitter.com/PremioArgos Twitter]<br />
* '''Categories:''' Melhor Romance (Best Novel/Novella), Melhor Coletânea/Antologia (Best Anthology/Collected Works), Melhor Conto (Best Short Story/Novelette)<br />
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The category Romance (not to be confused with the genre; its how novels and novellas are called as a format in Portuguese), as mentioned above, includes both novels and novellas, while Conto includes both short stories and novelettes. [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 16:29, 24 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: It looks like a pretty solid candidate. Twitter [https://twitter.com/safety/unsafe_link_warning?unsafe_link=http://clfc.com.br warns] that their Web site is currently unsafe, but the [https://web.archive.org/web/20230130054838/https://www.clfc.com.br/ Wayback Machine version] appears to be comprehensive, so we should be able to recreate nominee lists. (They also have a [https://www.facebook.com/premioargos/?locale=pt_BR Facebook page], but, apparently, it hasn't been updated since 2019.) I am not sure how many nominated titles the ISFDB database may be missing, but it should be doable. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:42, 24 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Their website has been wonky for a while, so they mostly publish their results on Twitter and on their closed group, but I'm confident I can find most of the nominated works. Thanks! [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 18:56, 24 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: If the award type is created, just a heads up that I mistranslated one of the categories (I originally spelled it "Collected words", but its "Collected works"), but already fixed it. [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 22:59, 28 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: If there are no objections by the end of the weekend, I will create a new award type on Monday. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 23:24, 28 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Great! I'm already working on adding at least the winners who aren't already on the Database, and slowly the rest. [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 11:32, 30 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?113 All done]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:52, 30 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: Thanks! Just a question: I'm already adding the award to titles ISFDB already have, and doing so I realized Argos is really erratic with the nature of their finalists: some years they release it like the Hugos, with first, second, third place and such, but others they just release the winner and the finalists, with no tiers among the finalists. How should I approach this? In the years they don't release the tiers, should I just put "1" for the winner, and "finalists" for the finalists? [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 16:10, 30 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::: Yes, that's how we usually handle inconsistent "poll" awards -- see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_category.cgi?315+1 this list of "John W. Campbell Award for Best New Writer / Astounding Award for the Best New Science Fiction Writer" nominees for 1973-2023] for an example. {{FR|1086}}, "Change the award year field to a drop-down list", if implemented, may help in this area, but for now it's our best bet. Thanks for working on these awards! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:30, 30 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::: Perfect, thanks, I'm already on it! Just a heads up, I suggested another award a little above (Ladies of Horror Fiction, a week or so before I mentioned Argos), could you check if that one is worth cataloging here? [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 00:45, 31 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::: Done. Sorry about the delay: the first and last days of each months are usually very busy on my end as I run monthly backups, enter new light novels, etc. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:17, 1 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::::: No problem! Thank you for the hard work. :) [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 00:28, 2 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Adventure House ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?3836; Should the 1936 item be under an alternate publisher name? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:51, 24 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: It's very likely a carryover from the 2006 facsimile reprint edition, which has been primary verified by one of our editors. I have left a note on [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:MLB#New_Mystery_Adventures.2C_February_1936 his Talk page] to see if the reprint includes a page with the name of the original publisher. Thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:30, 24 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: The record has been updated based on what we currently know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:41, 24 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Odyssey Publications ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?26323; I have PENDING edits adding archived links to the first 5 on that list. URL for the item missing ID suggests it should be #4 (PV just forgot?) and ID for #9 was entered without a space between letters and number like the others; which is correct? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:51, 24 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Remember the Alamo! ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5797826; I added an archived link in a PENDING edit, someone's note mentions partial signature, it's more visible here, https://www.ebay.com/itm/364244986997, it could be one of a few Charter artists already on ISFDB or maybe someone else entirely, anyone recognize it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:19, 25 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Arbor House Treasury of Nobel Prize Winners ==<br />
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Does anyone own the TP of the above anthology? Because the HC on Archive.org has Charles G. Waugh on title page, not Charles Waugh. Price, page numbers for stories entered and decision on whether other stories qualify, entering of preface, better cover, etc. also needed. TP seems unfindable online (wow, unfindable is a word, I thought spell-check would red-line that). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:06, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I could ask Charles if he still has a copy of the trade paperback if no one else has it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:59, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK. I have a PENDING edit adding the HC. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:46, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Diploids ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?37801; Open Library has a record for the Gregg edition of K. Maclean's collection but the link is for a copy of the 1953 novella. I added the link to that novella just for the heck of it but noticed there's some discrepancy with titles among various editions; note in Gregg says it's a reprint of Avon but 1 story in Avon is titled "The Pyramid in the Desert" while in Gregg it's the alternate title, "And Be Merry...". Also, Manor has an alternate alternate title, "And Be Merry". So does anyone own the Gregg who can verify what it says? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:15, 27 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Season of the Witch ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5799039; I entered the 1985 printing of Jack Martin's (really Dennis Etchison) novelization of the 3rd Halloween movie last year and today came across the 1984 one hiding on Archive.org so I entered it. They used the same ISBN for 1982 and 1983 but the last 2 are different from it and each other. If anyone owns a copy, please check because this may have had printings well after 1985. EDIT: I remembered that I entered a later edition of #2 last year, too, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?868156, so that may also have other printings. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:58, 27 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Executioner ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?950765; This is on eBay, www.ebay.com/itm/324711912241, but there's also an archived copy, https://archive.org/search?query=%22Paradine%27s+Gauntlet%22, which has the same copyright page but price is $2.50 on front cover and in barcode on back cover. How can you tell what printings these books are? Is there a gutter code or something? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:09, 27 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Darkening Island Cover Artist ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251927; I added archived link to 1972 HC of this book in a PENDING edit and noticed someone entered PB cover artist with one name but wrote another name in the note. I blew up the image but it's so blurry and the signature so crappy it could be either one. I searched for "Manor Books" and book title and got 1 hit...ISFDB. So if anyone can see a copy and verify what the signature really is one of those names will need fixing. There's no Friere here and several Freire but very unlikely that any of them could be this Freire. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:10, 27 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== All the Traps of Earth ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?283283; I added archived link in PENDING edit; it does not say "and Other Stories" on title page. Active PV AliHarlow, Willem, Dirk: the title may need changing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:42, 27 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Condors ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?19977; I added cover image for Rotunda in a PENDING edit; it's the only Condor PB without a price and I didn't see one anywhere in the archived copy so if anyone knows what it is, reply here. Also, the Roquard items are clearly by a different publisher which should be differentiated in some way. EDIT: Never mind, I got it, $2.25; Open Library cover, which is the same as Archive.org cover, is very scratchy but has bold colors; problem is it isn't framed well and the price info is off the left side. Bookscans has a clear cover with slightly less bold colors and some kind of weird lens flare on the left side but I could barely make out the price through the blinding light. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:41, 28 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== NL Psychoville ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?536129; Doing some more edits today for the recently deceased Christopher Fowler, couple of wrong covers, some other minor stuff, but the edition of Psychoville linked above only has this awful image, https://boekenbalie.nl/psychoville/463400609, online as far as I can see. If anyone can find a better one please upload it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:46, 29 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Roofworld Editions ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive54#Roofworld_Arrow_Edition; I added archived link to non-PV edition in a PENDING edit so I think PV edition could be deleted now. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:52, 29 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I would think that given duplicates where one has a primary verification, we'd want to preserve that verification. Especially when the verifier has been active within the last six months. My recollection is also that [[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] has taken extended breaks in the past and returned. Hopefully, she will do so again. [[User:Chris J|Chris J]] who has a secondary verification on the other record and is active, can easily move the Locus1 verification. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:54, 30 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Authorship of Dune's map ==<br />
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While adding a new publication to the Dune title, I noticed that there's only one pub record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?728199 here] that has Matt Griffin as map artist (which is in and of itself doubtful as I couldn't find conclusive evidence that he indeed was the artist), instead of Dorothy deFointaine.<br />
Comparing [https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/059309932X?ie=UTF8&tag=isfdb-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=059309932X the map in the Ace edition] (see video where it says it's 'a redesigned world map of Dune') with the [https://www.reddit.com/r/dune/comments/vvplz/dune_map/?rdt=39862 original map of Dorothy deFontaine], there's almost no discernible difference between both. Since the statement 'a redesigned world map' is highly exaggerated, I'm thinking to attribute the unsigned map in the Ace edition to Dorothy deFontaine (and not to Matt Griffin) - what do you think? How should we treat these two map records? Any other way to treat these two art records? Suggestions? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 07:47, 30 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It's definitely redesigned, but not redrawn. The design of the map is quite different for the new one as it uses a lot of shading not found in the original, different labeling/fonts, and placement of somethings is a little different. That said, the copyright page credits the map like this: "Map by Matt Griffin, inspired by the original by Dorothy de Fontaine". Based on that, I think the new one should be credited to both of them, especially due to the many similarities. A not could be placed on the map title page explaining all that. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:46, 2 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks! Updated accordingly. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 08:34, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== B. Farthing ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5800896; The warning message "Proposed..." doesn't show up on Google when I search for it. Should I have rejected my edit or is it correct and I should do it again and ignore the warning or should Ben be the variant of Benjamin? I already have an edit making Benjamin an alternate name of Ben. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:40, 30 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Benjamin should be the variant of Ben, and then the title date for the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1138880 variant] should be changed to match its parent (since the variant is the name of the author). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:49, 2 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Done (I think). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:31, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== PVR ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=rosenkr&type=Name; Palie von is actually Palle von per contents page photo online, novel is not genre from what I can gather online, Palle Rosenkrantz story is not genre per online reviews, neither really belong here, didn't notice this until I'd already entered bio info for Rosenkrantz, cancelled my edit, I think both names should be deleted, probably other contents from 1960 omnibus and Martin Edwards anthology are not genre and should be removed, too (there's a note in the anthology's record mentioning this). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:30, 2 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Rageot ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=rageot&type=Publisher; I have a PENDING edit fixing/adding stuff re: someone else's recent edit for a book published by Rageot and I noticed ISFDB has records for that name which was on the title page and the longer name, Rageot-Éditeur, which was on the copyright page. So really all books should probably be merged under one name. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:30, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Science Fictional Solar System ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?32159; The UK HC & book club editions say Martin H. Greenberg on their cover, 2 eBay copies of book club don't show title page, does anyone own either edition who can verify what his name is on title page? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:28, 4 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Brad Steiger Stories ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5805263; I didn't change the dates of Steiger's stories but I think they're both wrong. "Detroit", being a variant title, should have the date of this anthology, I think, and "Huntsman" should have a 1966 date as copyright page says. Am I right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:01, 5 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Yes, titles are dated per first appearance of that form of the title. Updates made. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:51, 5 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Amazon WEBP Images ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_frontimage&O_2=contains&TERM_2=w%2Fwebp&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication]; After I replaced one a few days ago and another one today I did a search and it seems most (all?) of the images with the weird URL Amazon switched to for a while are now broken. Is there a batch fix or will they have to be changed one by one (there's several hundred)? Most are not PV. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:09, 5 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I see what you mean. There are 806 affected publication records, 30 of them primary-verified. I could create a script to change the URLs of the unverified pubs, then we could ask the primary verifiers to check their pubs. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:25, 5 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: I'm sure you've already got something that could be repurposed for this, but if not:<br />
:: https://github.com/JohnSmithDev/ISFDB-Tools/blob/master/tools/submit_edits_via_api.py<br />
:: You would need to update get_bad_pub_records() to pick up the affected records - plus any additional check to not pick up verified pubs - and the regex to fix them in the first line of generate_pubdate_imagefix()<br />
:: Then 'uncomment' the PUB_COVER_EDITS code in the __main__ section. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 05:01, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: There have been quite a few scripts to mass change URL structures over the years, e.g. [https://sourceforge.net/p/isfdb/code-svn/HEAD/tree/trunk/scripts/amazon_urls_to_https.py this one from 2022]. I plan to use it as a template later today. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:17, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::I was adding an Amazon author image for Maggie Allen and the URL is weird so I did a search, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=author_image&O_1=contains&TERM_1=m.media-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FW&C=AND&USE_2=author_canonical&O_2=exact&TERM_2=&USE_3=author_canonical&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=author_canonical&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=author_canonical&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=author_canonical&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=author_canonical&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=author_canonical&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=author_canonical&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=author_canonical&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=author_canonical&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Author], and these are also broken. I don't know if the batch will fix these, too. EDIT: This URL was fine, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5806113, which I got by searching for Amazon and the author's name in Google Images; however, on the author's Amazon page, https://www.amazon.ca/-/fr/Maggie-Allen/e/B00DXZNLOG, the URL is the broken one. I don't know what's up with all this but I'm sure someone else does. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:13, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: I have now manually fixed the "WEBP" author URLs. All but 2 were broken. Removing the "WEBP" part fixed all of them, although a few were "S" images, so they will be caught by the cleanup reports when they next run. I think it's safe to say that we should be able to removed "WEBP" from the affected cover scans programmatically. I'll work on it later today. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:13, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::Thanks. I added an image to Maxwell Alexander Drake's record and of the 4 images on his Amazon page (I think at least some people must be aware by now that only certain regional Amazon pages display all author images at the moment in the scroll bar or whatever it's called, Amazon.com and many others just show the main photo, and they seem to be getting fewer and fewer as time goes by; I find Amazon Canada and Amazon France are still good) 2 are WEBP and 2 are regular; it figures that the one I had to use wasn't as good as the others. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:33, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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=== Outcome -- WEBP images converted ===<br />
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All 806 "WEBP" images have been converted. Please let me know if you come across any issues. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:17, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== St. Martin's The Light Fantastic ==<br />
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https://colinsmythe.co.uk/terry-pratchett/discworld/discworld-novels/light-fantastic/; I was doing some edits for the few St. Martin's editions of Terry Pratchett's novels and I think this last one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?43074, doesn't exist. It should probably get the unpublished code for the date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:46, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Untouched by Human Hands ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5806259; Actual price was a bit different than what Tuck supposedly said but since Bluesman is gone if anyone else has the Tuck book and it really says 12/- then a note about difference on flap can be added after my edit is approved. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:38, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
: There is a price shown here: www.ebay.com/itm/115568098201 [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 22:07, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Faerie Tale ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=faerie-tale&sort=title&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22&and%5B%5D=firstTitle%3AF; While doing an edit for Raymond E. Feist (adding a note that he was born Gonzales, not Feist, and fixing his day of birth) I saw that, despite the dozens of editions of his great horror/fantasy novel Faerie Tale the only one archived is a Doubleday Book-of-the-Month Club edition which isn't on ISFDB! Open Library claims there are 2 previewable copies but whichever edition the other one was, it's gone now. So if anyone has one of those club indexes or wherever people get the dates/ID # from, you may want to enter this edition so at least there'll be one copy people can read easily. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:26, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:I've added the BOMC edition [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?978095 here]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:23, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Alan Burns ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?18958; I added cover image to Dreamerika a while ago and today added archived link to US Babel edition; SFE says "Babel" in New Worlds is an excerpt so I've added that word to the title. The issue now is SFE thinks all the other short stories are by a different Alan Burns (and probably the poems and essay, too). Does anyone know for sure? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:31, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Connecting books in an unnamed series ==<br />
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I'm currently adding two books where one is the sequel to the other, yet they are not part of a named series. Should I still add series to them (and if so what should I call it), or should I only make a not about it in the title note? /[[User:Lokal Profil|Lokal]][[Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil|_]][[:User talk:Lokal Profil|Profil]] 14:34, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:What are the books? Can you provide a link to them? Or have you not added them yet? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:52, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: One thing that we often do when two or more titles -- or two or more series -- are part of a larger, unnamed, setting is create a new series (or super-series) and use the word "universe" in its name. One example would be the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?42997 Baba Yaga Universe]. It contains 2 sub-series and one collection. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:05, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::: This is only two books {{t|3244057|Domens dag}} and {{t|978127|Råttorna}}. Calling it a universe feels a bit like giving it more credit than it is due =) /[[User:Lokal Profil|Lokal]][[Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil|_]][[:User talk:Lokal Profil|Profil]] 18:01, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: Hi! If you can't find a naming of the series or a general theme, I'd suggest to use in this case the title of the first novel, like it was done for the two novels in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?34751 this series]. (The second link you provided leads one to a piece of interior art ;-) ) Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:48, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::: If the two novels do share the same main character, there'd be the additional possibility to name the series after it, like it was done [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?19161 here]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:10, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::: Thanks for the many suggestions! I'll go with the ''title of the first novel'' suggestion as the main characters are not given a last name (if memory serves) and Peter & Anna is way to generic =). Appologies for the erroneous second link (that was the pub-id not the title-id), the intended one is {{t|3244058|Råttorna}}. /[[User:Lokal Profil|Lokal]][[Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil|_]][[:User talk:Lokal Profil|Profil]] 16:53, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pied Pipers ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1428017; I left Chavey a message about a city missing in their note about imprint on title page of Routledge edition (which I'd just added an Archive.org link to) but later saw that there was a more pressing problem; the title was wrong, missing a word and misspelling another. I later added another note about Warne edition also likely being wrong based on cover image. Looking further, I think the other 2 editions also have the wrong title; Rand McNally 1937 edition (Chavey's note says 1927, that may be yet another mistake) is on Archive.org and it says The Pied Piper of Hamelin on title page while there's no edit history for Harrap edition but notes are in Chavey's style. Problem is Chavey hasn't responded to any messages since May of last year. Any suggestions? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:28, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Their last activity in the database was on 2023-11-04, so only a few days ago. I suggest giving it a little more time for them to respond to the questions. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:33, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Geta ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?17102; I added a link to 1984-00-00 in a PENDING edit; 1985 2nd printing was edited by Hauck, hater of ISFDB, while RTrace cloned the 1984-06-00 but that date can't be right because the price is higher than 1985. There are 2 identical notes about name of publisher in 1984-00-00 and 1985 but neither was edited by the same person/people so some cloning/copying happened there, too. So publisher should either be Granada or Panther / Granada for all 3 and 1984-06-00 should either have a new date or all 0's for unknown; it also says TP, not PB, and likely has the same cover as the others so cover artist should be imported. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:48, 9 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Arthur Barker Edition of The Restaurant at the End of the Universe ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5809217; No idea why that obviously incorrect cover artist data was approved by a mod but I removed Kay and the word "Illustrations" from Litherland's credit. I assume the Amazon cover is the correct one because there's a few non-Amazon sites that show the same cover for that ISBN but the problem is Open Library has a 1985 date for the Arthur Barker edition (the only one out of 85 editions) but editor here has 1980 and ISFDB page for that publisher ends in 1980. This edition seems rare so if anyone owns it can you check to make sure date, price, page count (Open Library says 188, not 187), etc. are correct? I left PV a message but they don't seem to answer any questions. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:01, 10 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Letter From A Teddy Bear On ? ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:J-Sun#Letter_from_a_Teddy_Bear_on_Veteran.27s_Day; I doubt this editor will respond so if anyone else wants to say what the right way to do this is, chime in. I could have sworn this discussion took place much earlier but I see it was only last December and yet I added some weird image to my message, which I don't do, so not sure why I did that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:46, 10 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Varianted. Most common version used as parent per standard. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:26, 10 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Who Is Lewis Pinder? ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?976273; MLB recently PV Signet PB and I just replaced faded Amazon cover with nice Bookscans cover but I can't find a cover for the HC anywhere. If anyone else can, can you upload it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:29, 10 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Request to add German fantastic literature price: ==<br />
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Hi all, <br />
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after adding the German "DSFP" award, I would like to add now the "Phantastikpreis der Stadt Wetzlar", another German fantastic price:<br />
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Translation: The “Fantasy Prize of the City of Wetzlar” has been awarded since 1983. The prize is a literary prize endowed with 4,000 euros and is awarded annually for a novel. The prize honors works from all types of fantasy, from magical realism to fantasy science fiction, utopia and horror. Particular emphasis is placed on the fact that the fantastic element - similar to Goethe's “Magician's Apprentice” - also allows real life connections to appear in a new light. The prize is awarded by the city of Wetzlar in cooperation with the Wetzlar Fantastic Library. The jury consists of literary experts from Wetzlar and the surrounding area who have a close connection to fantastic literature.<br />
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Source (in German): https://www.phantastik.eu/ausschreibungen-und-preise/phantastikpreis-der-stadt-wetzlar.html<br />
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Forgot to sign it: [[User:Jannis|Jannis]] ([[User talk:Jannis|talk]]) 08:39, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I do think it should be perfectly eligible. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:06, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: I agree that it appears to be eligible. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:41, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Hearing no objection, I have created a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?115 new Award Type] and an Award Category for this prize. Please let me know if there are any issues with the new records, otherwise have fun entering the awards :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:54, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: Thats great! Thanks a lot Ahasuerus, I will add the books & authors of last winners of this price, and later link the price to their works. [[User:Jannis|Jannis]] ([[User talk:Jannis|talk]]) 05:16, 18 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pro Se ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=pro+se&type=Publisher; If anyone knows whether these are all by the same publisher some altering to bring them under the same publisher name would be helpful. They publish pulp-style stuff in all genres; neither of the books on Archive.org, https://archive.org/search?query=pro-se-press&and%5B%5D=year%3A%222016%22, are on ISFDB, Sushi Bar... likely has some genre-related stories, probably other eligible books by them out there. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:46, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: If memory serves, I used Amazon's Look Inside to look into "Pro Se" publishers/publication series at one point. Their books used a number of different forms of attribution and I couldn't figure out the logic behind it. Someone would need to do more digging to sort it all out. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:55, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Cyrano and Jules Verne ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=airborne+alan-c; I added 2 anthologies recently, imported genre stories into Skyriders in a PENDING edit, imported 3 genre stories (Kipling, T. L. Thomas, O'Flaherty) into Airborne but there's a couple of ancient excerpts (?) that are a problem. The Cyrano title doesn't match the one on ISFDB and there is no such title by Verne here. Searching for Verne title online only got 1 hit, https://www.mwbooks.ie/pages/books/307419/alan-c-jenkins/airborne-compiled-by-alan-c-jenkins, an Irish bookseller's page for Airborne. Typing a line of text from Verne's story got nothing online. I doubt this book found some long-lost Verne story so I assume it's just a novel excerpt. Does anyone know? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:41, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Anna's Archive has a downloadable copy. According to the Acknowledgements page, the Cyrano title is a "passage from Other Worlds by Cyrano de Bergerac, translated by Geoffrey Strachan". The Verne title is a "passage from ''From the Earth to the Moon'' by Jules Verne, translated by Jacqueline Baldick". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:15, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: The submission has been approved. The two titles discussed above have been added. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:38, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bellows ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?97465; I added FantLab photo in a PENDING edit, findagrave.com says Jeffrey, not Jeffery, and has "Kent" in quotes like it's a nickname but the grave says Kent Bellows, and what does the G. stand for? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:24, 14 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bizarrocast ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=title_webpage&O_1=contains&TERM_1=bizarrocast&C=AND&USE_2=title_title&O_2=exact&TERM_2=&USE_3=title_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=title_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=title_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=title_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=title_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=title_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=title_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=title_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=title_copyright&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Title]; I was going through the old horror webzine Rosewort, adding links (yes, I found ANOTHER D. F. Lewis story, "Aspen"), and the Ken Goldman story "Going Potty" had a dead link. Then I noticed that the Bizarrocast link in that story's record leads to a log-on page because the original site is gone, but the archived site hardly has any archived pages; I tried one from 2013, "How the Isle of Cats Got Its Name", and after waiting a long time for the page to load all I saw was Arabic (?) writing so even that seems to have been captured after the site was already dead. My link above searched for all title webpages with Bizarrocast in their URL and there's quite a few so if anyone knows whether there's a new site, say here. Otherwise, all those links should probably be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:16, 14 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Book storage and moving boxes ==<br />
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When I packed my book collection for an interstate move last year, I mostly used the 1 cubic-foot book boxes sold by U-Haul. There were a total of about 135 boxes. I have just finished unpacking the last of them and no damage occurred to any of the books. I particularly liked that they stacked nicely and were easy to hold onto while moving them around. They were especially useful for moving and storing paperbacks. Since there always a need to put some books into storage, I recommend using these boxes. Cheers! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 17:16, 14 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bloodlust and Fangers ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?118655; Today I was adding links to any stories on the old Bloodlust-UK horror site that are on ISFDB and they seem to have redesigned the site some time after 2005 because there were a couple of links that had different URL's for the same stories. I did get quite a few links, including at least one that was published earlier on Bloodlust than what the note on ISFDB says and two by the same author that were supposedly original to one of her collections but were actually published on Bloodlust more than 10 years earlier, and was feeling pretty good about all that until tonight when I decided to see if the authors who got links had any other stories online nowadays, non-archived, and while looking for stories by Denise Sodaro this site came up, https://fangersinc.wordpress.com/tag/short-stories/, where they dumped most/all of the original site's stories without any note that I can see that these stories are nearly 2 decades old. I nearly cried at how much faster I could have added links from Fangers instead of trawling through the old site. Anyway, it seems they were collected in some recent Fangers anthologies; I feel bad for people paying money for these old stories that mostly shouldn't have been published the first time when online editors were hungry for content and would accept almost anything. However, there is one thing that could lead to something interesting; this guy, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?118655, seems to have plagiarized at least one story, "Jumpers", which I added a note to some time ago with an explanation of who actually wrote the story. His other ISFDB story is in an anthology that I read via Interlibrary Loan years before I was an editor here and I can't remember a word of it so no way to tell if that's original. Bloodlust had a story by Michael Steinberg, "Life, or Something Like It", but this Fangers site calls him M. O. Steinberg even though he was already using the M. O. name back when the original site was active so why he went by Michael is anyone's guess. I typed a line of text from "Life..." on Google but got no hits so I'm not sure if it's original or another plagiarism. So if anyone owns the anthology Dreaming of Angels and can read Steinberg's story or reads "Life..." and recognizes it as being by someone else, can you let us know? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:11, 16 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Mark Powers - two different people ==<br />
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Currently for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?22424 this author] we have a bunch of UK juvenile titles, and some Jim Butcher/Dresden Files comics. I'm reasonably sure these are two different people: [https://www.theshawagency.co.uk/mark-powers here] is the agency page for the former, and [https://www.simonandschuster.com/authors/Mark-Powers/202304451 here] a publisher page for the latter, with neither page acknowledging the other work.<br />
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Unless anyone objects, I propose to split these off, probably making the second one "Mark Powers (comics)" unless there are better suggestions. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 13:54, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:I agree. [https://dresdenfiles.fandom.com/wiki/Mark_Powers This] is a page showing a pic of the ''Dresden'' comics writer. Definitely not the person shown in the two Twitter/X profiles on our author page. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:00, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:: The Dresden Files comics should now all be switched over to the new author record. Thanks for confirmation! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:59, 19 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Twitter changed to "X/Twitter" ==<br />
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I am seeing more and more references to "X" instead of "Twitter". I have changed the way third party links appear on bibliographic pages from "Twitter" to "X/Twitter" to reflect this. It's a trivial change, so we can always tweak it again if the name changes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:46, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Darrell Awards ==<br />
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https://web.archive.org/web/20120908050157/http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~timgatewood/sf/darrell/DarrellWinners_Categories_96to12.pdf; I came across that while looking for something else entirely and since some here like entering new awards and this doesn't seem to be on ISFDB I thought I'd link it in case anyone wants to enter it if it's eligible. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:49, 19 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Final Frontier Cover ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?13334; I noticed there was a Greg and Gregory Brodeur here, made Gregory an alternate, made variant of one of his essays and merged 3 into 1 for the other essay (a variant will need to be made of that result after, I think), noticed 1st printing of Final Frontier '88 US PB was on Archive.org so added a link, finally noticed BORIS VALLEJO is credited for a foreign edition but not for any of the others even though they have the same art, Bluesman who was PV of 2 editions is long gone so if active PV of US PB agree with PV, Welo, that added art (they didn't mention where they got it in their notes) then cover credit can be added to all with date of US PB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:00, 19 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:The German translation states Boris Vallejo as cover artist on the copyright page. But, i wouldn't take this as given for every other release without another source to verify. At the time the german publishers weren't the reliablest for infos on the copyright pages, they had sometimes wrong infos (copied from previous pubs, but not correct). I've stumbled over a few wrong ones over time. [[User:Welo|Welo]] ([[User talk:Welo|talk]]) 12:31, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== SFWA Bulletin ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?951170; I was doing Bruce McAllister edits and there's 1 Bruce McAllaster credit here (along with a correct spelling elsewhere in it) but SFWA.org says McAllister so probably a misprint by PV. Also, Gatherng should be Gathering, Nores should be Notes, etc. If anyone can see a real copy all of those can probably be fixed. I assume there are many other mistakes in the other issues of this bulletin since the same PV worked on most/all of them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:11, 20 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Book of Ballads Dates ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Ofearna#Book_of_Ballads; Does anyone agree with me that the 2004 contents should be November instead of October? They say they're original to this book in their notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:39, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Lecrivain ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=the+last+swan+prince&type=All+Titles; 2017 zine has no period after the C in her name, 2020 webzine does, story's title page will need to be seen to determine if 2017 really doesn't have it, then there should be a merge or a variant. Her other story in that zine doesn't have a period, either, according to ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:25, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ormazoids ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5816628; Since PV is deceased if anyone wants to add/fix anything mentioned in my note to mod, feel free. EDIT: Seems logical UK edition would have been first for a Who book so title date should probably be 1986-00-00 unless anyone can determine exact UK date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:56, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Patterns of the Fantastic II ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=%22patterns+of+the+fantastic%22&sort=title; Copyright page says December 1984, title page says 1986 in roman numerals, ISFDB says May 1985. If anyone knows what's the deal here they may want to add the link where appropriate and fix dates if needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:22, 23 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:The title page date is on a sticker that has been applied after printing. That sticker also has "Borgo Press". So it could be Borgo was selling copies for Starmont House or they made a photographic reprint and stuck their sticker on it. May 1985 is the date Locus1 has so that might have been the source for the {{P|287993|ISFDB record}}. Rtrace has secondary verified it with Clute/Nicholls and Reginald3. I will ping him to see if either of those might has some info to shed light on the situation. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:53, 23 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::Neither {{Reginald3}} nor Clute/Nicholls mention Borgo. The former has a 1985 date while the latter has 1984. {{P|283739|Chalker/Owings}} has the 1984 date. {{P|320234|BP 300}} has 1985. This is probably due to the difference between copyright and publication dates. Also from ''BP 300'', Borgo acquired Starmont in March 1993 after having purchased Starmont's Contemporary Writers Series in 1991. If I had to guess, the sticker is likely a cancel of the Starmont publisher and perhaps the 1986 date is due to a typo (VI vs IV). With that scenario, the sticker was likely added sometime after 1993 when Borgo purchased Starmont. Chalker/Owings does note that the purchase included Starmont's back stock. Regardless, if we decided to add a new publication record for the Borgo cancel of Starmont, I don't think we can date it exactly and I'd recommend using the unknown date. Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:13, 23 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::I made the following changes:<br />
:::*Updated the Starmont House editions with the stated publication date as per ISFDB standards. I also included a pub note on the secondary source dates and a statement that it was likely not out until after the stated publication date.<br />
:::*Cloned an undated Borgo Press edition with a statement regarding Borgo Press buying Starmont House backstock & the uncertainty of the Roman numeral date's meaning.<br />
:::*Added the contents.<br />
:::--&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:21, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Philip K. Dick Reader ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1365790; I cloned an 11th printing and publisher is Citadel+Kensington like 2016 but cover is same as 1997 which says publisher is Citadel Twilight; does anyone own a 1st printing who can say whether it says Twilight or if 1997 should be changed to Kensington? Twilight books had a certain bluish look about their covers and they say Twilight on the cover which this book doesn't. Per note on ISFDB Twilight ended in 2000 so it's possible it was a Twilight book and it was only mentioned inside. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:46, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== ASIN ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?966441; Clicking US ASIN leads to a different magazine; I don't know if that happens often or not but I thought I'd mention it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:07, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: There are two ISFDB records sharing the same ASIN, "B0CDQWPL1Z":<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?966441 Dark Hall Press Cosmic Horror Anthology]<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?966438 Savage Realms Monthly, August 2023]<br />
: Their respective Edit Histories show that the 2 pubs were manually entered by the same editor on the same day. Most likely it was a copy-and-paste error. I have corrected the erroneous ASIN; thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:17, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Salt Is Not For Slaves ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=salt+is&type=All+Titles; I can't find a copy of 1931 Ghost Stories issue where it says E. W. supposedly, can confirm it's G. W. in Book of the Living Dead (added link in a PENDING edit from OL-only no-search copy). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:19, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Rustin Parr ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36131; Title was entered in 2011, I've made 3 edits (one in each of the last 3 years), and only today noticed the title was wrong; it's Confession, not Confessions. Fixed that in a PENDING edit and while doing so noticed there are 2 foreign editions, https://archive.org/search?query=%22rustin+parr%22+stern&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=year%3A%222000%22, in case anyone fluent wants to enter those. I also have an edit adding UK Boxtree 4th printing of The Blair Witch Project: A Dossier by the same author; there is a HC book club (?) edition of the Onyx edition on Archive.org but I didn't bother with that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:29, 26 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Khaw & Kadrey's ''The Dead Take the A Train'' ==<br />
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Re. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3070028 this title], I propose deleting the pub dated 2022-09-27. That was the original publication date, which was pushed back a full year. I have added this detail to the notes for actual pub when it was released (2023-10-03), so the earlier pub record is now redundant. Any objections from anyone? [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 07:43, 27 November 2023 (EST)<br />
: Would it not be better to make [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Date the pub date 8888-00-00], rather than deleting the record? That way the ISBN is still in the database in case anyone else tries adding it in future? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 08:36, 27 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::Yeah, that sounds sensible. Done. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 15:49, 27 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== ayaz daryl nielsen ==<br />
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Are there any objections to using lowercase for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?162023 Ayaz Daryl Nielsen]. I have never seen him credited any other way. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:01, 27 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Hearing no objections, the change has been made. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:31, 3 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Eichner ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=m.+eichner&type=Name; While adding links and other stuff to E. Everett Evans books I noticed Eichner shows up twice as an illustrator and I assume those are the same people which would mean a variant is needed. Also, Eichner's birth date is off by 10 days from Wikipedia and most sites seem to agree it's 9, not 19, so the day may need changing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:38, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Disabling the Synopsis field for Variant Titles ==<br />
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Back in April 2022 "Make This a Variant Title" [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive52#Make_Variant_and_Synopsis_data 2022-04-30 was modified] to move VTs' Synopsis data to their parent titles. A new cleanup report, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?328 Variant Title with Synopsis Data], was created at the same time.<br />
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The original plan was to:<br />
* clean up any titles found by this cleanup report (1,600+ at the time)<br />
* confirm that there were no scenarios where a VT needed to have Synopsis data<br />
* change "Edit Title" to disable the Synopsis field for VTs<br />
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The first step was never completed, so the process stalled. I have now processed/corrected around 50 (out of 1546) affected title record. It is as we suspected. Most just needed their synopsis data to be moved to the parent titles. Some needed two synopsis entries reconciled. A few were in error, e.g. there was Notes data in the Synopsis field or vice versa. A few Synopsis values were using a language other than English, which is explicitly not allowed in Help.<br />
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Based on the above, I think it's safe to change the software to disallow entering Synopsis data for VTs. If there are no objections, I plan to work on it over the next few days. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:03, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Will this block adding a synopsis to a serial title? In at least [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3129077 this case], each of the serial titles is a separate novella that could justifiably have its own synopsis. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 21:57, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: That's right, the proposed change would prevent Synopsis values from being added to SERIAL titles. I don't think it should cause significant issues since semi-standalone SERIALs are rare and could be handled the way we handled {{A|George Lowther}}'s [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?16699 ''Superman'']:<br />
::* Chapters 1-2 describe Superman's planet of origin, Krypton. Chapters 3-5 deal with Clark Kent's childhood with his adoptive parents. In chapter 6, Clark goes to Metropolis and gets a job with the Daily Planet. The remaining eleven chapters deal with a mystery involving ghost ships and Nazi spies.<br />
:: [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:53, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::That's what I thought. Hmmm. I don't think that would work in the case of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3129077 Last Stand] since each of the installments (Episodes) are approx. 20,000 word novellas which have differing focus characters within the pseudo-TV series framework and the summaries should be more than a couple of words each. I'm not convinced it is truly a serial anyway. [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Anniemod Anniemod] set this up initially and I've been following suit since. I could just as well see this as a series called <i>Last Stand</i> with the individual novellas as normal Chapbooks/Shortfiction titles. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 12:52, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: If they have different focus characters and different plots requiring different synopses, then I agree that they sound more like linked stories than a serialization. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:09, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::I'm the only PV for these. On deeper examination, I believe they are linked stories, not serials. I'm going toss a note to Annie and then convert these from serials to shortfiction, unvarianting the titles, and grouping them under the series <i>Last Stand</i>. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:37, 3 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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=== Outcome: Software has been changed ===<br />
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Hearing no further objections, I have changed "Edit Title" to disallow entering Synopsis data for variant titles. [[Template:TitleFields:Synopsis]] has been updated as follows:<br />
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* A synopsis can only be entered for canonical titles. The software won't let you add a Synopsis to a variant title.<br />
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If you come across any issues, please let me know. All that's left is cleaning up the remaining 1400+ VTs which still have Synopsis values. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:15, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: There was a minor bug in the associated cleanup report. It was causing three valid title records to appear on the report. The bug has been fixed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:54, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Nightly cleanup reports fixed ==<br />
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It turns out that the recent addition of a Notes template with an apostrophe in its name -- [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Using_Templates_and_HTML_in_Note_Fields "Achevé D’Imprimer"] -- broke the automated nightly process which regenerates cleanup reports. The software was fixed a few minutes ago and everything should be back to normal tomorrow morning. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:12, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== New superseries for Glynn Stewart's Castle Federation ==<br />
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Would anyone object if I create a new superseries named <i>Castle Federation Universe</i> which would have the existing series [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?42767 Castle Federation] as subseries #1 and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?65374 Dakotan Confederacy] as subseries #2? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 18:14, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: No objection -- book covers and Goodreads reviews confirm it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:09, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Done. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 21:52, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Julie Novakova/Nováková ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?195102 The page for this author] has "Novakova" in her name, and states '''uses accentless spelling of her surname for foreign publications.'''. However I just checked [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ship-Whisperer-Julie-Nováková-ebook/dp/B08F3S7J9L/ her collection] and [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Rosetta-Archive-Notable-Speculative-Translation/dp/195106402X an anthology she contributed a story to], and [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Life-Beyond-Us-Original-Anthology-ebook/dp/B0BNZ7M4F7/ an anthology she co-edited], and all use "Nováková". I assume these should at least be a variant, but I don't have the privileges to see who might have added that author note, in case they can shed any further light?<br />
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(Also, "foreign publications" seems a bit Anglocentric, especially in conjunction with a Czech author?) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:38, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ghosts of the Chit-Chat ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?869953; Contents #1, #4-7, #9, and #12 are not original; they're much older stories with at least one (Tatham) being under a different name (H. F. W.) and title ("Phonograph Bewitched"), plus a couple of authors that are not already on ISFDB (although J. K. Stephens may be James Stephens who is). If anyone owns this or knows where to get a look at the full text some fixing/merging is needed after determining what names and titles are actually used in it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:02, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Best of John W. Campbell ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1212025; I have a PENDING edit adding Archive.org link to '76 US PB and another edit adding month to intro but the afterword has a variant with neither having a month. PB doesn't actually say afterword on that essay's title page so this may be a false variant that needs merging into one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:26, 4 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Best New Romantic Fantasy ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?29658; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5827168; Re: this series, I don't think #3 was ever published like a lot of announced Juno books. There's almost no info online, nobody ever entered contents, etc. I think it should get an unpublished date here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:58, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Sanjulian ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?914; Should this be changed to Sarjulian and made a variant of his parent name? Because it's supposed to be what's on the page, not what PV thinks it should be. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:03, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Dutch Plot ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?28987; '79 Plot doesn't belong with the others. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:50, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Very Special People ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5828417; A copy of the rare 1977 horror novel The Soul of Anna Klane was uploaded to Archive.org earlier this year and I just came across it, it's a second impression so I cloned it, uploader messed up because the jacket is from an awesome book about circus people (or freaks as they were called back in the day) that anyone my age probably remembers reading or at least looking at the photos. Would anything by the author, https://openlibrary.org/authors/OL529624A/Frederick_Drimmer, qualify to be on ISFDB? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:59, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Is "Frederick Drimmer" the author of ''The Soul of Anna Klane''? The covers say the author is Terrel Miedaner. The only one from the list of Frederick Drimmer's works that looks like it might be includable is ''The Body Snatchers'', but it depends on what it's about. All his other works seem to be nonfiction about non-genre topics. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:33, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Other works by Miedaner that might be includable include [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/181242.The_Mind_s_I ''The Mind's I'', in which he has a story or essay (not sure which as the book contains both). It has a work by Stanislaw Lem in it. I couldn't find anything else by Miedaner that could be included. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:40, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Miedaner wrote the novel, Drimmer wrote dozens of non-fiction books including some about genre-related topics that I thought might qualify. Maybe someone will find one or two with something in them that can be entered. The novel seems to have had a lot of other editions not on ISFDB including some foreign editions with weird covers so maybe someone fluent could enter those. Also, the Mind's I book you mentioned is on Archive.org, https://archive.org/search?query=terrel+miedaner, in case you think that qualifies to be entered here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:55, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Gary Allen ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?87741; The author of None Dare... died long before the other works on his page were written so obviously by a different Allen; he has his own Wikipedia. However, I don't think there should be a variant but rather the novel removed because it's not really a novel, it's an anti-Communist diatribe by a member of the John Birch Society that's been reprinted endlessly. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:42, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Book has been deleted. Clear nongenre, nonfiction by a different author than the speculative fiction Gary Allen. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:16, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Twice Twenty-Two ==<br />
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https://openlibrary.org/works/OL103175W/Twice_twenty-two?edition=key%3A/books/OL26558953M; 2 copies, one searchable and one not, searchable one has a gutter code on p. 405, "03 N", which is not in the book club edition's note about gutter codes on ISFDB. Non-searchable one has no code. So if anyone knows how to identify dates from the code they may want to enter at least the copy that has a code. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:58, 8 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Schrecksekunden ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5830404; Does anyone recognize the cover I added? I'm almost sure I've seen it before on an English-language book; if so, artist is likely on ISFDB for that and can be added to this. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:44, 9 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:https://www.michaelwhelan.com/galleries/emergence/ and that conveniently also has [https://www.michaelwhelan.com/wp-content/uploads/fromtheheartofdarkness-cover.jpg From the Heart of Darkness cover]. Looks like we have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1727716 this]. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:05, 9 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:The PV of the affected pub is active and a moderator, so I pointed him at this. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:10, 9 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::The cover of [[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5830404 Schrecksekunden]] is correct. Regards Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] ([[User talk:Rudam|talk]]) 05:43, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Submission approved. Cover credit added to Schrecksekunden with a publication note specifying the secondary source & new cover art record varianted to the prior one. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:19, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Aiken's World Well Lost ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?915733; I don't think Joan published a book with this title but rather it was her brother, John, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?135, so Joan's record for that book should probably be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:06, 9 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Deleted. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:24, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pan Mystery Walk ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?556649; Someone just uploaded a foreign cover for Baal, one of Robert R. McCammon's novels, which led me to do some edits for other of his books (there's a lot left to do even though I've done many previously). There's a $75 Subterranean Press signed limited edition of The Night Boat which has been on Archive.org since April of last year which I somehow never noticed before so I added a link to that but the Pan edition of Mystery Walk only has a 2nd printing uploaded; the question is whether the 1st printing also says Stephen Crisp on back cover instead of Steve Crisp, which is what's on ISFDB. So if anyone owns a 1st printing (I don't see anything online except 1 eBay auction where they took photos of everything EXCEPT the copyright page) and it says Stephen then that needs fixing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:38, 11 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== International Polygonics Edition of Liars and Tyrants and People Who Turn Blue ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20274; I've made a few edits for this before but noticed today a copy was uploaded to Archive.org earlier this year so I added a link, replaced postage stamp-sized Amazon cover with their cover, and added LCCN (their site screwed up entering the title). However, the copy has a big thick sticker obscuring the cover art credit on the back; it seems to start with Kev so probably Kevin; no other books on ISFDB from the publisher have that in the artist's name so if anyone has/can find a copy can you let us know what the artist's name is? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:51, 12 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Brennan's Riddle ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?308567; Been doing some Joseph Payne Brennan edits and this one is odd; there's no content. Is it possible that it contains his 1964 poem "Riddle"? It's likely not a collection but a chapbook or something similar. I added cover image and FantLab ID in a PENDING edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:29, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Dedications in Poems ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5817418 this submission] to alter the title of {{T|1337626|this poem}} based on [https://www.sfpoetry.com/sl/edchoice/34.2-2.html this web page] from the magazine's web site. My question is whether "(For Edgar Allen Poe)" should be considered as part of the subtitle, or whether that is a separate dedication that should not be included in the title field. If we go with the latter, it could be added to the notes. My recollection is that poems occasionally have "For XXX" listed in a smaller typeface under the title though usually without the parenthesis. I don't think we usually include these as part of the title field. How do other folks feel about this. If there is disagreement, we can move this to the rules and standards page. Thoughts? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:50, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Personally, I wouldn't include this as part of the title. It is somewhat similar to the way some sources treat additional information, for example for series - like in The Death of a Hero (Star Wars), and it ''is'' a dedication. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:35, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Dedications are a common occurrence, I never include them in the title. If someone wishes to put then in the note section, I would not object. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:25, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::Hearing no differing opinions, I will reject the edit. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:08, 22 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pocket Pulse ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?269828; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251391; Should these very old entries by the late PV be changed to Pocket Pulse as the publisher so they merge with all the many others on ISFDB? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:08, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Martha Wells / All Systems Red - Code P1 ==<br />
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Some copies of the original tp of All Systems Red have a code "P1" underneath "First Edition: May 2017" on the copyright page. Other copies have no code; the corresponding area is blank. Does anyone know the meaning of this code? Some online booksellers says this code denotes the first printing (or first state of first printing) but this seems to be their opinion. Is there any independent, documented, verifiable evidence of its meaning? Secondly, how should this be recorded in the ISFDb? We have two records: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?723225 PoD] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?608522 non-PoD]. Should I create a new pub record for the P1 code version or should I just add a pub note to an existing record stating that some copies have this code? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:41, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Rich Grote ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?176753; I added, in a PENDING edit, archived site (online now is dead) richgrote.com and Behance page and wickedlocal.com article which revealed he's from New Jersey. There is a Rick Grote credit, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?112933, but his bio at various sites online says he started in 1976 while this book is from 1975. Also, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?123700, where one actually says Grote in the book while the other was not named but editor entered it from cover signature. So if anyone can say for sure that Grote or Rick Grote are Rich Grote then those can be made variants. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:42, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ash of Stars ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?102752; I was doing a bunch of James Sallis edits recently (links to several short stories, archived link to Shores Beneath, adding a massive collection from 2007 titled Potato Tree) and noticed this book about Delany. I don't do many edits for Delany because I can't stand him personally but I'm sure many people here like his work so I'll mention that the copy on Archive.org, https://archive.org/search?query=sallis+delany, the copy on Amazon.com and the copy on Google Books all have the same ISBN on back cover with the barcode saying 53950 which means price is $39.50 but ISFDB says $42.50. Also, ISBN is for HC supposedly but archived copy looks like TP to me. So if anyone wants to add a link to the copy and fill in anything else or change anything, please feel free. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:58, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Scheduled server maintenance - 3pm 2023-12-15 ==<br />
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== Brian Keith Evenson = Brian Evenson? ==<br />
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Any thoughts/objections on making [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?224599 Brian Keith Evenson] a variant of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ch.cgi?6382 Brian Evenson]? The former has just 2 pieces of short fiction in 1986 and 1989 (both with difficult to Google titles), which slightly predates the earliest work of the latter. Howevever (a) "K." is listed as the middle initial of the legal name of "Brian Evenson" (with [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/evenson_brian SFE] saying this it is "Keith"), and (b) the 1989 story was published by Brigham University, which Wikipedia says is where Brian Evenson got a degree and was later employed. Evenson's site doesn't have any detailed bibliography that might help clarify those two early stories are his. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:39, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:The source given for {{P|654878|The Leading Edge, September 1989}} is FictionMags Index. Checking them, they have these as the same author. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:50, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks - I've now set up variants/alternates for the author and two title records. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:37, 17 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Conan the Valiant ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?982255; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5836070; Added a few archived links to some of Roland Green's Conan novels, went backwards so first novel was looked at last, it already had a link added by someone last year, as can be seen in my edit above the cover is not the same as the later editions, any Ken W. Kelly experts who know his style can say if both are his work in which case art needs unmerging or if Tor mistakenly carried over Kelly's credit for the later art by someone else. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:07, 16 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== F. Piatti ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=co+piatti&type=Name; 2 credits for each, one should be parent assuming credits are correct; maybe they're all really spelled the same and someone just entered one or the other name wrong here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:38, 17 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Done. Thanks for this find! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:36, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Abridged editions? ==<br />
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Do we include abridged editions? I know we don't include dramatizations but the help doesn't seem to say anything about abridged editions. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:02, 17 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Sure we do! It's possible to add them to the general title (and add a note to the publication), or if the abridgement does alter the story in a major way to add it as a variant, or if another hand is credited for the abridgement to add it as a stand-alone title, like in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2918952 this title]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:44, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Thanks for the clarification. I've started to run across a number of audio items that have abridged versions but haven't been sure if I should add them. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:37, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: I have been told that abridgements are certainly accepted, but that they are never added as variants. How to deal properly with them was incorporated when dealing with translations, which are made variants but the difference in language makes it possible to distinguish them from name/author variations. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:39, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: That's certainly true for audio versions/readings: here it is quite a regular case that they are abridged, so they should just be added with a note under the respective title. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:33, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) Abridged editions are included. The [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#How_does_the_ISFDB_deal_with_.22Portions_of_this_story_originally_appeared_in....22.3F FAQ says]:<br />
* If an individual story is rewritten or revised, then we create a Variant Title for it and add the nature of the changes, e.g. "expanded", "abridged" or "restored", in the Notes section. Please note that these conventions are likely to change in the foreseeable future as we beef up our software in this area. <br />
: The [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Feature:90155_Add_an_optional_%22nature_of_the_relationship%22_field_to_the_Make_Variant_screen original Feature Request to change the software] to display "relationships" between titles was created back in 2008, but it hasn't been implemented yet.<br />
: Of course, when dealing with drastically changed titles, e.g. novels reduced to excerpts or short stories expanded to novel length, we create separate title records. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:33, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: To the original question - abridgements are in. I am questioning the varianting advice. I also once noted the lack of documentation on abridgements specifically. The original place I was told not to variant abridgements was in [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive46#Abridgements this] conversation. The argument was that variants were for title / author variations or translations as a special case due to limitations in the software. Only one moderator said so, but no one contradicted, so have been going by this since. There were [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk/archives/archive_25#variant_or_independent_work.3F earlier] and [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Adaptations_and_Abridgements later] discussions (I doubt I found them all) with varying degrees of agreement but no resolution. <br />
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:: And the FAQ reference above was answering a question about portions of a story appearing earlier in a novel that is expanded or created from a series of shorter stories. The [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:MakeVariant HELP on variants] says at the beginning that they are only for title and author variations, but later talks about how to deal with translations (with a link to how-to details). ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:50, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: [[Help:Screen:MakeVariant]] says:<br />
:::* Two title records are variants if they are in fact the same story, but have either a different title, or use alternate names for the author.<br />
::: Translations are effectively "the same story" for our purposes, but I agree that it's not made clear in the statement above. We should probably update it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:16, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: It sounds like abridgements should not be varianted. But there's no help on how to document the relationship to the original - be it in the Notes or a linking template. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:50, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::I'm following this closely since most audio abridgements are significantly shorter than their unabridged brethren (should they exist for comparison). Often 2-3 hours compared to 8+ hours. The source novel is often in the 270 page range. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:57, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: I would expect a version that contains only 25-33% of the original material to be considered a separate derivative work. Kind of like {{A|E. Nesbit}}'s juvenile adaptations of {{A|William Shakespeare}}'s works are listed as separate works with the word "(abridged)" appended to the end of the title: "A Midsummer Night's Dream (abridged)", "The Tempest (abridged)", etc. Except, of course, there would be no additional co-author. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:52, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::To me, this makes the most sense. If it's significantly abridged, it should be a separate work (for example, I think the abridged audio releases of ''{{T|7577|The Courtship of Princess Leia}}'' should be separate as they are only 3 hours as opposed to the {{P|983542|unabridged version}} of 14 hours (finally being released in January)). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:00, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::::Based on this guidance, the title above has now been split into [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?7577 The Courtship of Princess Leia] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3258106 The Courtship of Princess Leia (abridged)]. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 18:02, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Présence du Futur ==<br />
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Ex-editor Hauck entered some entries in this endless French series but only basic info. I came across a manual which I added as a link, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5837420, although I have no idea if it contains anything useful, then I entered several missing bits of info for Gravité à la manque from Open Library, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5837421. I then came across a title with an actual copy, but rather than stumble my way through entering info from books in a language I'm not fluent in I'm just going to list this, https://archive.org/search?query=%22une+collection+d%27inedits+au+format+de+poche%22&sin=TXT&and%5B%5D=collection%3A%22inlibrary%22, so if anyone can find anything useful to enter from those they can do so. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:34, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Crash Override ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?659223; I added archived link and a few other things in a PENDING edit to the other book by the publisher, the novel The Secret. Publisher actually has no space between the 2 words in its name so I fixed that and then was going to check online to see if it was the same for this much later book but realized this probably shouldn't be here since it's not by a known author and it really has nothing to do with genre. So should it be deleted? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:54, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:I was advised some time ago and it is my understanding that any works shortlisted for a genre award (in this case a Hugo) are considered in. This exception is called out in [[ISFDB:Policy|our policy page]] but only for online publications. Perhaps we should be more specific. Aside from that, my recollection from reading the book in 2018 is that it is chiefly about the Gamergate event which is tightly coupled with the Sad/Rabid Puppies movements. I don't recall how much Quinn went into the latter, but if at all, it would certainly qualify this as a book about speculative fiction. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:51, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::OK. It's PublicAffairs in Amazon look inside so I'm going to fix that so both books on ISFDB will be by the same publisher. EDIT: There's 1 archived copy which was uploaded in May, 2021 but wasn't added until January, 2023 (?!?) so I also added a link to that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:14, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Napoleon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?31091; I added archived links to Minstrel Boy and ...Overhead and fixed formats to TP for both; publisher was also changed to Napoleon Publishing for those 2 and ...Yard because Napoleon & Company, as explained on the copyright pages, is a parent company and Publishing is the actual imprint. The problem now is the 2 e-book Gargoyle editions don't actually show a copyright page on Amazon and, more importantly, Time Thief's beautiful Napoleon cover is nowhere online and ISBN defaults to the Dundurn Press edition's less beautiful cover. Looking at Dundurn's Wiki page they bought Napoleon in 2011 which makes sense because Blogspot page linked in Napoleon's record on ISFDB ends in February, 2011, a month before their Time Thief edition was supposedly published. So maybe someone can say whether Time Thief Napoleon edition should get an unpublished date of 8888-88-88 and whether that and the 2 e-books should have their publisher changed to Napoleon Publishing just to keep everything together. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:13, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== John Allen ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?186482; Likely 3 or 4 different authors on the same page in case anyone can find info to separate some or all of them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:32, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:I split the entry into three. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:18, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Stateham Banners ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3575; Archived copy uploaded in 2020 so I added a link in a PENDING edit; note about frontispiece is wrong as it is credited on copyright page (an editor of Canadian edition noted this correctly) so maybe one of the active editors (Willem, GlennMcG, Spacecow) can fix note so it says the same as Canadian edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:23, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Speedy In OZ ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?366452; Oz fans, a request. I saw a lot of Oz edits in the queue recently and discovered many of R.P. Thompson's books were reprinted in PB in the eighties. I added archived links to the 4 I found but Speedy has a missing cover and most online ones are of the weird $19.00 reprint that nobody seems to know much about; the archived cover sucks because it has 3 huge stickers on the bottom obscuring things and a cover on Biblio.com is shot too far away, has a Barbed Wire Books business card in front of it, and has some plastic holder or something at the bottom of it. So if anyone can find a clear and clean cover, can you upload it? Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:45, 21 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Dread ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?22179; Year and subtitle (Allen, seen on sfpoetry.com) different than other ISFDB record; poem here, https://poetrynz.net/pdf/PNZ48.pdf, says Allan. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:16, 22 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Knock on Wood ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=0-671-04070-7+&type=ISBN; Cover says Vornholt; why is Friesner credited for the same book? EDIT: Also Witchopoly, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=0-671-02806-5&type=ISBN. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:37, 25 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Deleted the two Friesner ones. All reliable sources show these two ISBNs as by Vornholt which matches cover. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:06, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Yesterday We Saw Mermaids ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55736; Cover is the Tor edition but it's on the Wiki so the Pan cover would need uploading to replace it; problem is I can't find it because all eBay copies are Tor. So either it's rare or vaporware. Help, if you can. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:00, 25 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Finding forgotten horror story ==<br />
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Hi, all. I hope you all had merry Christmases (if you celebrate). <br />
Someone on Goodreads is trying to find a horror story he or she read in the '70s about gentle hand-shaped creatures who live in a forest near a town or village. But then several people are found strangled with hand-shaped bruises on their throats. (Spoilers ahead.) <br />
The creatures are rounded up and killed. But the killings continue, and the townspeople realize the creatures were all shaped like left hands, while the bruises on throats are from a right hand (or vice versa).<br />
Does this story sound familiar to anyone? Thanks! —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 01:40, 26 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Sidgwick & Jackson Prices ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5843103; I was looking at the Science Fiction Specials (added a couple more links because a few of them were hiding on Archive.org using a title of one of the contents instead of the overall title) and also am adding links and other stuff to books from the publisher by the authors in the Specials. I've noticed their prices on the front flaps are a mess with some being old pre-decimal prices and others being stickered with decimal prices. In this Asimov case you can see a pre-decimal price under the sticker that looks like 35s to me but I can't find any copies online that show the flap. So if anyone knows what the original price was, thinks it should be cloned, etc. let us know. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:29, 27 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Silverberg and Neverness ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:SFJuggler#The_Time_Travelers; Linking this here in case anyone else might own a copy of the Donald I. Fine edition of Neverness. Also, should we make the Silverberg thing a pub. series? There's got to be more than 2 books in it; Archive.org search isn't the most accurate and there could be books not archived that are part of the series. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:40, 27 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:I have the Donald I. Fine 1st hc edition of Zindell's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23681 Neverness]. It does state "A Robert Silverberg Science Fiction Selection" on rear flap and also "RS/SF" on spine of dj. I have also discovered that Sturgeon's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15623 Godbody] has the same features. Looks like a pub series to me, even if it didn't last very long and didn't have many books in it. I have Godbody so I will PV both these pubs and edit them to create and add the pub series. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:40, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::Great, thanks! A search for the exact series title on Google only finds the ISFDB record for Godbody and my message on the SFJuggler board. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:55, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Where the Southern Cross the Dog ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?326635; Does anyone own the August 2002 issue of Locus? I added cover/interior artist and intro by S. R. Tem but I can't find the titles of the stories anywhere, 3 supposedly, and it was reviewed by Edward Bryant in that issue. Maybe he mentioned them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:05, 27 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Siergiejew ==<br />
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https://readfrom.net/michael-aronovitz/364512-the_voices_in_our_heads.html; It's Marius Siergiejew in that link, no z in first name but also no "Noistromo", I checked Unlikely Entomology issue and it is Mariusz, so both should be variants assuming all the ones under Marius "Noistromo" actually have the correct name entered; now that the link above shows there's at least one with just Marius maybe that should become the parent after name is fixed and the nickname should be the variant. I added a Blogspot link to the Marius record. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:47, 29 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Alternate name created. I would not consider that site reliable enough to change a verified pub. Unfortunately, the verifier is no longer active so we will have to wait for someone else to re-verify it. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:58, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Webs of Time ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?54122; Does anyone think the replacement cover I used is better than the old one? Mod didn't agree. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:35, 29 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Well, the overall quality (= colour likeness) seemed better with the amazon source, ''and'' I do assume that this source will be more stable than Fantlab (and presumably that's the line of thought Chris_J also tended towards). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:26, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::I guess; anyway, my replacement cover will still be in edit history so that's something. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:53, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Fanni S. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=fanni+s&type=Name; Probably the same person, maybe entries under the first name really don't have the special "u" or maybe editors didn't enter it that way. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:21, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:The three records with Suto all had Amazon Samples available which showed they should have been Sütő. Only one was verified and that verifier is showing as not active in several years. I made the changes. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:46, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pandora Effect ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?45062; I added Archive.org link in a PENDING edit, do any of the active PV think an August month should be added to dates as notes say? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:10, 31 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Great Tales of Action and Adventure ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5846199; Cover question about this '67 10th printing I just added. It says Richard Powers on copyright page but Robert Shore on back, Powers credit possibly left over from earlier printings? Should Shore be entered instead? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:23, 31 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:My copy doesn't have the credit to Shore on the back, but the cover is different than the Powers original. Seems like we should have a Richard Powers (in error) created as an alias to Shore. [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 18:43, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Through the Budgerigar ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?925198; While adding LCCN to Jones novel Transplant I noticed this book was added not long ago and while SFE mentions it and even a cover artist there seems to be no evidence of a cover online; can anyone find one? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:06, 3 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== To the Sound of Freedom II==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive53#To_the_Sound_of_Freedom; I came across this record again today; should it get an all-8's date? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:24, 4 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== HG Wells and His Critics ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=wells-and-his-critics; Anyone know a way to tell which of the 3 publishers these copies are from so I can add links? The USA one has no record; maybe it was never actually published by them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:38, 5 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Top Science Fiction ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=pachter-josh+top&sort=-addeddate; Someone added intros to this anthology recently, I added archived link long ago, just noticed a Spanish-language edition, La crema de la ciencia ficción, was upped to Archive.org in 2013 in case anyone fluent wants to enter that. EDIT: From the same publisher is La Crema del crimen, https://archive.org/search?query=crema-del-crimen, which includes a few stories from ISFDB judging by back cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:40, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I will add the Spanish one. What the heck. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:12, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Pachter ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1914279; Josh Pachter is credited as "with" on title page of 2015 English edition on Archive.org. Should he be added as co-author? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:21, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I didn't check the Archive.org copy, but the Look Inside on Amazon shows that "with" citation, but then on the copyright page it says the English translation is copyright 2015 Dhooge and Pachter. There is also a copyright 2014 for Dhooge and the original publisher. I interpret that to mean Pachter's role was (co-?)translator. I found Pachter's [http://www.joshpachter.com/bib/bibliography.html bibliography page], and this listed in the "Translations" section. But just to avoid having anything be too clear, he also has [http://www.joshpachter.com/bib/bib.styx.html this], where he talks about previously translating another Dhooge work and being asked to "collaborate on an American version" of this one. So does that mean this isn't a translation but is actually a major revision? Dunno. Given that Pachter only takes credit for translating it, I think noting him as translator and documenting the "with" citation and the copyright statements (could throw in the Pachter site references as a bonus) should be sufficient. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:30, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Star Gors ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5851689; I was adding links and adding/fixing other stuff in some Gor editions, mostly UK Star PB, when I noticed an artist's signature for Players of Gor, Star edition, is on the cover but ISFDB had no credit. I tried several names I thought it could be and finally got Tony Masero who, as far as I can tell, is credited exactly once on the entire net for doing this cover, an AbeBooks/Biblio seller's description, but AbeBooks show the wrong (Daw Books) cover and Biblio's scan of the right cover is much too small to see the signature clearly. So I think I got a rare one. As can be seen here, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_publisher&O_2=exact&TERM_2=star&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=contains&TERM_3=of+gor&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication], there are 5 other Star editions with no cover credit; if anyone can find a signature on any of them, beat me to it and enter them yourselves. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:49, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Night Mayor Cover Art ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?474; I noticed that the cover art for the original UK HC and the US C&G HC, which is the same, is credited to 2 different artists here. It's easy to find photos of the back flap of US online which does say design by Roy Colmer but of the several eBay sellers who offer the UK none thought to show the back flap. There are many C&G Colmer design credits online so I'm thinking Kemp did the art and US just didn't credit him, only their designer. So should we make C&G artist Jon Kemp with a note about him not being credited? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:11, 10 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:I have the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44644 UK hc of Kim Newman / The Night Mayor]. The rear flap of the dust jacket states: "Jacket Illustration: Jon Kemp" and "Jacket Design: Bostock & Pollitt Ltd." [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:44, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Darrah Chavey's Passing ==<br />
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I was saddened to read this morning of [[User:Chavey|Chavey]]'s passing in [https://file770.com/pixel-scroll-1-10-24-tom-swift-and-his-scrolling-pixels/ File 770] (Number 7 in the Pixel Scroll). It was always a pleasure to work with him here and he will be missed. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:49, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I replaced link on his page with an updated one; also, while adding a link to the issue of the zine, Aurora, where his Walton essays appeared I discovered that most issues of Aurora and its predecessor Janus are on Archive.org, he PV most (all?) of them, but some have full contents while others have nothing. I imported a few poems from Robert Frazier, Steven M. Tymon, etc. but there's a ton of other book reviews and articles and stuff for anyone who's interested. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:15, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: Sad news indeed. He had a heart attack a few years ago and has been less active since then, but he was only 69, so it was unexpected. Thanks for updating his User and Talk pages. I have updated user rights on his account. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 23:11, 12 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Rtrace, thanks for letting us all know. I echo your sentiments. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:47, 13 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Barn Owl ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?4296; I made an edit for City of Hermits long ago and today added some more stuff; I think this Barn Owl is not the same as the other that published much later. Ann Jungman who wrote a few of the later ones has a Wiki page where it says she founded Barn Owl in 1999 so I think the 1983 one should get a USA or California or something added to it. Whoever wrote the note about Frances Lincoln here seems to have conflated the 2 publishers; the England location probably belongs with the later publisher. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:27, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I separated out [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?4296 Barn Owl Books (UK)] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?83339 Barn Owl Books (USA)] based on the ISBN's. I also updated the notes for Barn Owl Books (UK) based on [https://www.thebookseller.com/news/frances-lincoln-acquires-barn-owl this article]. When untangling publishers, the [https://grp.isbn-international.org/ Global Register of Publishers] can be of help. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:11, 13 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Pat Frank Title ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5856366; I added cover image long ago; just came across archived copy which was there years before my edit so I'm not sure why I didn't add it back then but I did now and also added dash in title, H-Bomb, but I noticed there's another part of the title that people can't decide on. Mhhutchins entered it with 3 dots but title page has one GIANT dot while facing page has long dash and LOC/WorldCat has comma. So what's the consensus? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:44, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Sue Robinson ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?16675; I added archived link and a few other things to the HC of Amendment; author is a respected American newsperson. She should be differed from the Australian author. 1992 story in Weird Tales may be by either of them or another person since there's no bio in that issue. Also, does anyone own Amendment PB? It has nice cover art but there's no back cover photo online where I assume the artist would be credited. I see some weird blocks in the lower right, P and another letter, maybe initials or maybe just part of the art. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:10, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I separated out ''The Amendment'' to {{A|Sue Robinson (I)|373246}}. The author blurb for ''The Amendment'' does not align with the bio for the more prominent newspaper reporter of the same name, nor does that person list ''The Amendment'' as one of their works on their personal or faculty website. So probably two different reporters with same name. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:55, 13 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Peter Goodfellow ==<br />
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http://petergoodfellow.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/18-misc2; I added a few credits for this artist but the last one has me stumped because the 1992 edition had the same cover as the last image here, http://petergoodfellow.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/18-misc2, but that was wrong because archived copy has the same Posen cover as the later printing on ISFDB. Goodfellow cover has an M for Mammoth so was it an earlier or later edition and why can't I find the original Methuen cover anywhere? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:54, 12 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== French Swastika ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5857839; French speakers, I made my usual shaky attempt at entering a foreign-language edition but I felt a book of such fame probably deserved it; after approval if anyone cares to look it over I'm sure it can be improved. I also made a follow-up edit changing date of French variant to a year earlier to match the date of this book. Also, those Feminist Press editions, https://archive.org/search?query=swastika-night&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22, are a mess, the one with the white cover matches the UK Lawrence & Wishart edition's cover but has the info of the '85 Feminist edition, while the other 2 with the face on the cover either a) have no price on the back and totally different back cover text but copyright page is the same or b) are a 4th printing from 2003, I think, with cover info on copyright page the '85 edition doesn't have and a missing back cover so no way to tell what was on there. If anyone cares to figure all that out. For some reason the French edition I mentioned above is in English according to Archive.org which is obviously wrong. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:59, 12 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== UK Omni ==<br />
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https://fantlab.ru/edition356174; I added archived links to the 6 volumes of Best of Omni and noticed FantLab has a photo of #6 with a UK price on it in case anyone knows more about that; maybe all 6 were published there but, if so, none are on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:23, 14 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Tiret-Bognet ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=bognet&type=Name; same Verne illustrator, same book in different languages, one should be parent and maybe some of the art needs merging, Holmesd worked on many of these Verne books so he'd probably know. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:48, 14 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Server maintenance 2024-01-15 at 3pm EST ==<br />
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The ISFDB server will be down for maintenance on 2024-01-15 (today) between 3pm and 3:10pm EST. The database and the Wiki will be unavailable. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:09, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: The server is back up. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:06, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== N. Katerli ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=katerli&type=Name; I found a huge (380+ pages) thread on FantLab's message boards with people who have died, many of which were never entered on ISFDB (not all genre, though, some footballers and other non-genre people are included, too) and while adding many dates and photos I came across Katerli; I added Wiki link, day of death, and photo to Nina's record but is that other spelling the same person? If so, some variant would probably be needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:25, 17 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:It's very possible, given how things get romanized from Eastern European languages. Perhaps one of our Eastern European language people can do a little digging? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:30, 17 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::Looking into it a bit myself, I'm 100% sure they are the same person. Working on connecting them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:57, 17 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::Okay, everything is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?373565 here], now. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:27, 17 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Thanks for working on her stories. I have added dates and updated the author record. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:51, 17 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Terry Venables ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5861442; Is this the famous footballer (or soccer, as we Yanks call it)? There seem to be a lot of photos of him but some of them look like a different person so just making sure this is the right guy (he wrote some novels including Bornless Keeper which is on ISFDB but online info seems to suggest he didn't actually write any of it, Gordon Williams did). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:44, 17 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Yes, things like that do happen: there are several titles in the database for which it is doubtful if the featured prominent author did actually write them; and so, jugig from the photo and the theme of the listed title it is '''the''' Terry Venables. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:38, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::I can confirm that the photo in your submission is indeed of the English footballer [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Venables Terry Venables]. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:42, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Alchemy Magazine ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?35135; Luminist.org has a lot of magazines not on Archive.org and while replacing cover and adding link to Alchemy #2 I noticed all 3 issues have a different format, TP/unknown/pulp. Those who know about such things may want to adjust those since I'm assuming they all should be the same format. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 01:11, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Dinotopia Digest Novels ==<br />
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I just made about 20 edits for this series (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5862661 through https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5862859) and as usual with series books it's a nightmare; I think I did as much as I could with what's available (oddly, only 1 book, Survive!, didn't have its original Random House edition entered on ISFDB so I had to scrounge up a copy on Google Books to enter info from). I think only one thing may raise questions and that's this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2230051, where an editor here in 2017 entered James Gurney as cover artist but even though he's mentioned on all copyright pages because he's the creator/owner of Dinotopia it was actually Michael Welply who did all the covers. Problem is after I removed cover credit (I didn't enter Welply because while it does say that in archived 3rd printing copy there are some 1st printings of books in the series that misspelled it as Welpley and then corrected that in later printings) I noticed the nomination for best cover in the art record. So I don't know what to make of that; was Gurney nominated because he's the creator or did someone make a mistake and not nominate the real artist, Welply? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:58, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Pratchett's Eric - converting into novella? ==<br />
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I did a word count on a digital version of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1832 Eric], and it's around 35000 words, i.e. clearly a novella. Comments on the title and various publication records point out how unusually short it is. [http://www.locusmag.com/index/b381.htm Locus] calls the first edition a novella, but later editions a novel. I think the novella classification is correct, but am hesitant in converting such a high-profile title. Any opinions? [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] ([[User talk:TerokNor|talk]]) 08:01, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: My electronic copy contains 34.2K words, so it's a novella. That said, I wonder about Locus changing its classification after the first edition. Is there any indication that later editions may have been longer? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:43, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:: I can find no indication of there being different editions of the text. I noticed however that after the original illustrated edition (which was billed "A Discworld Story"), it usually says "A Discworld Novel" on the covers, so Locus might have just gone with that. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] ([[User talk:TerokNor|talk]]) 13:59, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: It sounds like it's a novella whose subtitle (but not the word count) was changed in later editions. I suggest we wait for other editors to share their thoughts before we change the type from NOVEL to SHORTFICTION. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:49, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::I added an Archive.org link in a PENDING edit to The Illustrated Eric, 2010 Gollancz HC, so that may help with the counting; page count said 144 but it is actually 131. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:26, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: I have approved the submission that corrected the page count and updated the Note field to indicate where the corrected page count comes from. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:49, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::: (Chime) Not surprised, don't care, go ahead. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 21:26, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Late Mods ==<br />
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I had a thought while adding FantLab ID to a PV Brian Lumley book today; is there a way to remove the necessity of adding a note to the mod about what changes you made if the mod is deceased? There have been several mod losses recently, most of whom PV countless books, so it would save time to not have to write anything if the only PV's are ones who are not going to read those notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:23, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: I think there are two sides to this issue.<br />
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: The first one is technical, i.e. whether it would be possible to modify the software to check each primary verifier's Talk page to see if it starts with the "Deceased user" template. The short answer is "Yes, it would be possible, although it would also make our core software more closely intertwined with the Wiki software, which may become a minor nuisance during the next Wiki upgrade".<br />
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: The second one is functional, i.e. whether making this kind of change would be desirable. I am not sure it would. It would save some keystrokes, but there is value to having more detailed Edit History for primary verified publications even if their verifiers are no longer available. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:42, 19 January 2024 (EST)</div>
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<div>See [[User talk:Holmesd/Archive1|Archive 1]] 20 Jan 2008 to 23 October 2014<br />
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See [[User talk:Holmesd/Archive2|Archive 2]] 24 October 2014 to 15 January 2018<br />
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See [[User talk:Holmesd/Archive3|Archive 3]] 18 January 2018 to 15 October 2020<br />
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== Forest Mage cover ==<br />
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It looks like you PVed and added a cover image to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?220833]. On my copy the New York Times blurb and title are in orange, but it appears as if yours are pink. Do you think this is a scan artifact, or that there are actually two cover styles? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:26, 21 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Just checked to see if it was fading and the actual colour is orange - so probably a colour adjustment by the scanner to compensate for something. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:59, 21 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Then I'll scan my cover and update the record. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 01:01, 22 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
::And my HP laserjet has the same problem. I had to take a picture with my phone to get it orange. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 01:26, 22 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Princeps' Fury / Butcher ==<br />
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I'm cloning [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?293208] for a later printing, and noticed the format given doesn't match my copy. My copy of later printing, but same price, is a premium/tall rack format. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 21:18, 26 December 2020 (EST)<br />
: I need to put this (and several other books) into Transient. I recall that the books in the series did contain the premium/tall rack size, but couldn't swear to this particular one. Given it's my image and the proportions match, I'd say this one should change. It's been a long time since the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive08#Premium_paperback_size earlier discussion] in 2009 and I suspect many editors haven't been following the rules. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:01, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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Are you suggesting that I change it? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:40, 28 December 2020 (EST)<br />
: I no longer have it, so the other primary verifier now has the last word. My inclination is to change it. My inclination is also to resurrect the 2009 discussion in light of 10+ years of experience and mayhem. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 09:14, 29 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Tim Hildebrandt's Flights of Fantasy ==<br />
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I added a cover, some notes and the chase/promo cards to the set {{P|652154|Flights of Fantasy}} [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 16:41, 1 January 2021 (EST)<br />
: Good stuff. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 09:49, 2 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Submission 4909635 ==<br />
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So busy checking titles I missed some author errors - Ann K Schwader (missing a period), Kevin L. O'Brien (missing the initial), Stanley C. Sargent (missing a period). Need to add O'Brien revision to notes as well. Please approve and I'll fix. Thanks ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:17, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
: Talking to yourself? :) Approved, fixed the 3 authors and "Welcome To Goatshead" -> "Welcome to Goatshead". I don't like how the Introduction is named but I need to find a title page before I go fixing it... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:31, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Oh - and I just did all the needed merges :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:34, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Might explain why my edit submission errors out - Python - index error. Intro pre-existed as did one story. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:37, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: Sorry... :) Yeah - I know it was preexisting - I was just saying :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:41, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
::::: PS: And just the usual reminder - use "Import" :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:42, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::: Since when did submissions create a new tab when submitting? If I'd noticed I'd have cancelled the update, fixed it and resubmitted. Or was it switching from Firefox to Edge? I still think of import only for cloning situations - anthology to anthology kind of thing. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:52, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::: Or is simply the submission that errored out. I create too many tabs to for breadcrumbs. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:55, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::: They don't create a new tab unless you do Control+Submit (or whatever button you have in there) and force the browser do to them. :) And yeah - tracking down the stories ID may be annoying but then we do not need to merge all the titles (plus it reduces mistakes in titles and authors names) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:00, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::::: Control + (mouse) Select ==> new tab !! Finally an end to right click and "Open in a new tab". I owe you one. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 12:13, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Starlog ==<br />
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As an active verifier of {{S|33627|Starlog}} issues, please see [[ISFDB:Community_Portal#Starlog|this conversation]] regarding its genre status. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:37, 23 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Took a look, no comment, only verified because the entries existed and I rans across some copies. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 21:38, 23 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Saga of Recluse ==<br />
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You are a PV of at least one volume please follow link to review proposed changes [[User talk:Scifibones #Saga of Recluse maps consolidation|Saga of Recluse maps consolidation]] thanks John<br />
Hi Doug, posted a response to you comment. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 18:05, 25 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Another map consolidation ==<br />
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As a PV of many volumes please follow link to review proposed changes to [[User talk:Scifibones #Magic Kingdom of Landover map consolidation| Magic Kingdom of Landover map consolidation]]. Hopefully you thought the last one was beneficial. John, [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 19:27, 24 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Carolie Bickford-Smith? ==<br />
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Hi, just wondering if the entry is really correct [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?760719 here], since there's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?205441 Coralie Bickford-Smith]. In case it is (which seems a bit more likely than the other way 'round) the two should likely connected per pseudonym, I guess. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:17, 2 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Probably a mis-reading/typing. According to [https://www.amazon.ca/Twenty-Thousand-Leagues-Under-Sea/dp/0241198771 Amazon] it is Coralie Bickford-Smith. I'll submit an edit. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 13:40, 2 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Children of the Fleet ==<br />
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Added a couple Ext ID's to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?630552 Children of the Fleet]. Let me know if you don't want to be bothered with these minor edits. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:01, 8 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
: I like to know about things I can check (an exercise in humility, a lesson in taking care), but things that are the result of research that go in notes or specific fields don't matter. Also don't need to know about things I only verify as transient. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:50, 8 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Islands in the Sky'' artist ==<br />
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Since your verification was transient and from 2015, I don't suppose you still have access to a copy, but just in case... A new editor added an artist credit to {{P|212965|Islands in the Sky}} based on an "RAO" signature at the bottom left of the front cover. I don't see it in the scan, but I may be missing it or it might be cropped. Anyway, if you do still have access to it and could confirm or deny, that would be great. I did accept the submission and also encouraged the editor to do a primary verification. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:19, 9 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:I keep scans of all the books, and my copy does not appear to have what I can recognize as RAO. I'll give him a ping to see if his cover is cut differently or see if I can learn how to spot these things better. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 13:56, 9 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Le pays des fourrures'' ==<br />
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Found [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?851712 a nice one] for one euro ! [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 05:24, 12 August 2021 (EDT).<br />
: With the recent easing of restrictions in Canada / Manitoba, I'm hoping to get back to the University library to finish their collection and the book charity where all kinds of odd things show up. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 08:38, 12 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Glide Path'' printing statement ==<br />
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Hi. I have on hold a submission wanting to clone your transient verified 1965 Dell {{P|250714|Glide Path}} (Arthur C. Clarke) based on his copy's stating "Printed in Canada". I realize your verification is transient and was done 5 years ago, so I'm not terribly hopeful, but do you by any chance still have access to it? If so, would you check and see what it says? There is a permanent PV, so I'm asking him as well. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:43, 21 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
:No real chance - many of my transients are books passing through a charity sale I work for. I do tend to be sensitive to Canadian printings as it is my home, so expect that if I hadn't cloned it to say it was a Canadian printing, it likely wasn't. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 10:16, 21 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Changing Burroughs Books ==<br />
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Hi Doug -<br />
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I have some suggestions for your edit to effectively split Ace publications of Burroughs books. First, I think before you made these edits, you should probably have conferred with all the active verifiers. I don't have an issue with what you're doing, but you're arbitrarily deciding which of the two different printings is represented by the existing publication record and which one gets the new record. I think a better approach would be to see which printing each verifier has. The existing record should probably conform to the earliest verifier's copy. Alternatively, to whichever edition is held by the most verifiers. For my copies, Thuvia and Moon Maid have the 47th St address; Monster Men has the ads for F-156 through F-181. One additional point, this is really something that should have gone on my regular talk page. The other "changes to verified" page is really just for covers and minor changes to the notes. I don't get an automatic notification on the other page like do on the main one. I've put your edits for the three that I've verified on hold. Please reach out to the other verifiers and see if you're noting the correct edition for the existing publication record. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:08, 25 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
:I don't disagree, but would like to offer a defense, although I question your use of "effectively". As to conferring in advance, I've tried that before when was splitting based on my own copies, rather than a reference book. The response ratio was low and slow. And the choice is not arbitrary - I have chosen based on copies I own and have verified. Whichever variant I had already vouched for remained, the reference-only version was cloned. Your other suggestions (earliest, most) would depend on getting responses from everyone, and many are not available. Also changing verifications is in editor's control and immediate, whereas moving text from entry to entry requires moderator intervention. So, while you may disagree, and may enforce your suggestions, it was not unconsidered or arbitrary. And in response to your additional point, your talk page does say "If you're writing to inform me that you've either added a COVER IMAGE or NOTES", and my change was just to the notes. I do not know why you chose to use the technique, or how it works. And finally, I have reached out to all the other 'active' verifiers as I've made the changes. <br />
:So, that said, how would you like me to proceed? I have 4 more potential entries to create in the Ace Books. There are likely a number of Ballantine, but these tend to be straight-forward (no ads, addresses, printing history variants). ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:42, 25 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Let me start off with a bit of history about the cover image and notes pages. It has been the etiquette here to discuss any changes to a verified publication with the primary verifiers prior to making the edit for some time. Several years ago we did not have the note to moderator function, nor did we have fields for external ids. Several editors considered edits to add a missing cover image, or to to add an external ID to the notes, or other trivial matter to the notes to be minor such that they did not wish to be pre-notified before the edit was made. The two innovations that I mentioned makes these pages less necessary, though editors, myself included, have not bothered to take these pages down. The issue with the edits you submitted is that they were not merely a minor addition to the notes, though that is how they are accomplished. In this cases you changing a publication record that referred to a specific edition of a book such that it would refer to a completely different edition. This would be no different than if one had verified the first printing of a book and it was edited to make it into a second printing (assume the date didn't change for this hypothetical). Yes, that would be accomplished by merely updating the notes, but to do so without getting the assent of the verifiers would not be within the agreed etiquette of the project. While I am really not excited about moving a verification because you have determined that the edition that I verified back in 2009 needs to be moved to a new record, I will move my verification if a majority of the other active and responsive verifiers have the other edition. However, none of this should be done until we have everyone's agreement (everyone active) on how to proceed. I'll also note that it's the same number of edits no matter which edition is the existing one and which is the cloned. Keeping the existing to the one that most have already verified, keeps the movement of verifications to a minimum. Anyway, my suggestion is to start by finding out who has what edition. I gave you mine above. Once that's done we can determine whether your proposed edits are appropriate, or should be reversed. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:12, 26 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: An observation - I went back through the notifications I received since 2008 and pretty much all of them were after the fact. A question - if the change had been a simple assertion of publisher's address, or an advertisement (in the context of helping date the entry), an artist credit or the colour of the page edges without the assertion that there was an alternate version, would that warrant prior notification under the old etiquette or actual notification under the new one? The argument being that what you have matches the existing entry and you are just adding more information. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 09:51, 27 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::You'll definitely find examples where proper notification was not given. For the examples you give, it's really up to the verifier, and personally, I wouldn't object to being notified in only in the moderator notes for those. Even simple edits can be a problem though. Another editor recently updated my verified copy of a trade edition of a book, with all the information for the limited edition (all in the notes). If he had checked first, it would have eliminated extra work. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:57, 27 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Changing Burroughs Books (Poll) ==<br />
Based on a new reference book on Ace (and Ballantine) editions of Edgar Rice Burroughs, I have identified several ISFDB entries that should be split. Details first:<br />
* Monster Men - Ads: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44274 Burroughs - 11 titles (F-156 to F-181)] vs [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?854988 Burroughs - 22 titles (F-156 to F 213)] <br />
:Rtrace 1 | Holmesd 2 | GlennMcG 1 <br />
* The Moon Maid - Address: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44315 23 West 47th Street] vs [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?854987 1120 Ave of Americas]<br />
:Rtrace 1 | Holmesd 2 | Spacecow 1 | GlennMcG 2<br />
* Pirates of Venus - Ads: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?26181 9 Burroughs titles] vs. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?854990 22 Burroughs titles] <br />
:Kpulliam | Rtrace 1 | Biomassbob 1| Holmesd 2 | GlennMcG 1<br />
* Tarzan and the Lost Empire - Address: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34557 1120 Avenue of the Americas] vs. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?854989 23 West 47th Street]<br />
:Rtrace 1 | Holmesd 2 | Hifrommike65 1 | '''Spacecow neither (23 West 47th Street)''' | GlennMcG neither (23 West 47th Street)<br />
* Thuvia Maid of Mars - Ads & Address: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?51344 Burroughs (F-156 to F-169), 23 West 47th Street] vs [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?854403 Burroughs (F-156 to F-204), 1120 Ave of Americas]<br />
:Rtrace 1 | Taweiss 1 | Holmesd 1 | GlennMcG 1<br />
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Please indicate which version you have. I have included the names of the verifiers after the titles, please enter your version after your name. I have completed mine (Holmesd) as a model. I would also like to get agreement on how to decide which variant stays with the existing entry (and verifications) and which one is created, possibly necessitating changing PVs. Some options are:<br />
* Earliest verifier wins (as ordered above)<br />
* Most frequent version wins<br />
* Earliest version chronologically wins<br />
* I win (simply because I'm found and entered the changes)<br />
Please feel free to suggest, comment or vote. Two points: by marking your version above, you can prevent having to pull the book(s) twice and there are PV who have not been included as they are no longer active. The floor is open. Thank you. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 23:18, 26 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Done. Can you link the ISFDB record for this new reference work on Burroughs? Thanks. (BTW, you did mean "I've found," right?) [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] 00:15, 27 August 2021 (EDT) (I've or I'd or simply I - ''The moving finger writes; and having writ, moves on'' ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 08:54, 27 August 2021 (EDT))<br />
:: Also Done. Doug's reference book is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?773079 here]. While I'd love to keep my own verifcations intact, I think the fairest course would be most frequent version wins, followed by earliest verifier wins as a tie-breaker. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:41, 27 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Also done (last night). Ok with Ron's resolution. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:54, 27 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::I've approved the edits for Thuvia, since we all have the same edition. For Monster Men, the held edit is the reverse of what we want. For Moon Maid, we'll hopefully get a response from Spacecow soon. I don't believe the edits for remaining two have been submitted yet, but it looks like they could be now. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:42, 28 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::The remaining vote won't change the outcome, so I'll submit the remaining edits and once approved, I'll post links to the new entries on the talk pages of those affected. Thanks to all for participating. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 10:48, 29 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::And for the record, in case this becomes a precedent, my preference for choosing would be that the editor gets to decide. My reasoning is that they can then post links to both entries when notifying PVers and minimize the elapsed time and editor's time. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 10:48, 29 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Done. Sorry for being late. --[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] 14:02, 29 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I've moved my PVs as needed. I see that Holmesd has verified the ones he claimed above, but not yet unverified the others. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 22:06, 2 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Thuvia[,] Maid of Mars ==<br />
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The NEL editions of Thuvia Maid of Mars (per cover) have a mismatch between their publication title (no comma) and their content title (comma). The cover art also has no comma. Could the PVers please let me know whether there is a comma on the title page of their editions. I have created an entry for the first occurrence of Thuvia Maid of Mars (with no comma) [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?854632 here], a 1921 Grosset & Dunlap edition. I'm willing to make the change as it seems to be tricky to get the content of a novel changed, and there is one publication with no PV that I will change if the other two match each other. Thank you for your attention. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:01, 31 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
:[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?288439 1974-12-00 edition] Willem H. / Dirk P Broer<br />
:[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?107721 1975-06-00 edition] Unapersson<br />
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::The comma is present on the titlepage of my edition. Should also be added to the coverart title. Thanks! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 03:18, 1 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Willem's edition is the same as mine, so the comma is also present on the title page of my edition.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 09:48, 1 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Comma present in my edition --[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 12:11, 3 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::Updated submitted. Thanks. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:01, 3 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Chessmen of Mars ==<br />
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I approved your edit to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37004 this edition] of ''The Chessmen of Mars''. The cover scan has both US and Canadian prices listed, so if that cover is correct, I think we can determine the price as US with C$5.99 for Canada. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:52, 3 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
: There are 4 different Canadian printings 20-23) under that ISBN that were printed in Canada and are listed as $4.99 in the catalogue. There is no way to be sure that the Amazon image is for this particular printing. The exchange rate applied on books can be much higher than the money market might suggest. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 15:26, 3 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
::We may want to remove that cover image then, if we're not sure, or at least note that the price in the photo may not reflect the price on the book. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:58, 3 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Opted for the note approach. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 21:51, 3 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Question about Burroughs ==<br />
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Does that book have translations as well or just English language editions? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:21, 15 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Just Ace and Ballantine (well Charter, Tempo and Del Rey as well). They are all English. I don't know if they do non-English. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:23, 15 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Nope, they don't. Oh well :) Have fun with them :) I may decide to add some non-English versions at some point... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:24, 15 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: I think I've got a couple of Hungarian ones in there (that you helped with as I recall). I should probably try to find the others. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:36, 15 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Goodreads and OCLC are good starting points, especially for modern editions. Fantlab for older ones, especially Slavic ones... On the list it goes. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:41, 15 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Asimov's Annotated "Don Juan" ==<br />
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I'm holding your edit to add ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5105114 Asimov's Annotated "Don Juan"]''. I don't think this should be NONFICTION. I'm also not certain that it is eligible. If it is, I would think this would be a CHAPBOOK containing Byron's poem. Although, there are several epic poems that are entered as novels. The problem is that I don't think the poem is speculative. Whether a non-genre item can be entered because of annotations by an above the threshold author is kind of a new question. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:59, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:I don't disagree regarding the NONFICTION vs. CHAPBOOK. I've never read Don Juan. I expect the content to be non-genre, as that was the point of the exercise - adding non-fiction material by the threshold author Isaac Asimov. The [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Asimov.27s_non-fiction request] was non-specific and I've Talk'ed with the sponsor Annie [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Anniemod#Nonfiction_and.2For_non-genre here] and you didn't reject my approach [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Asimov.27s_Annotated_.22Paradise_Lost.22 here] when I suggested ''Paradise Lost'' was non-genre. If you'd like to hold it pending a resolution of the new question, I'm fine with that. I watch most forums so should be able to follow the discussion. My current approach is basically enter the referenced publications with a minimum of research, and will do a second pass to augment with covers, content and external sources. The first pass gives the submissions time to be processed and the second will include pre-existing non-fiction / non-genre. Since ''Paradise Lost'', I've been checking the type of content in the first pass. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 12:17, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: The difference is that Paradise Lost is genre (so its annotated version is also in) while Don Juan is not. So I'd say it is not-eligible (yes, it is on that list - the majority of it IS eligible thus me asking someone to work through them but that does not mean that there are no exceptions). We won't add an annotated Bible either or a book about thermodynamics just because Asimov happened to write an introduction. If the main text of the book is not his (and for annotated works the main text is whatever is being annotated), the book's eligibility will come from the actual author (or book)'s eligibility, not Asimov's IMO. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:21, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Paradise Lost (as such) is not listed under John Milton's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?92197 Bibliography]. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 13:53, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: We miss a lot of books. :) Most likely it was never added because of the same rules that stop us from adding the Bible but as it is not a religious text, it is ours IMO. I think we should have it. It is a thin line sometimes... <br />
::::: I've had enough worms, I don't plan on adding it. Either add it and let me know and I'll finish/create the Asimov entry or tell me you're not going to and I'll cancel the submission. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 16:50, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::: Well, unless we claim Paradise Lost as genre, the annotated version is not eligible. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:19, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: We can open a discussion on the topic and see what everyone else thinks but... If it is decided that it is not really genre for some reason, its annotated version will be also out. <br />
::: What about non-genre collective works in which he contributes an essay? Topic is non-genre, bulk is ineligible, but his contribution is homogenous with the remaining portion? What about his contribution to TV Guide Magazine - would that depend on how genre-related it is? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 13:58, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Non-genre nonfiction is only eligible if it is a book and not just an article somewhere. So "TV Guide Magazine" - unless it is about speculative fiction, it is out; essays in other people's book - unless they are about speculative fiction, they are out (or we will end up adding thousands of books because a genre author wrote an introduction). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:07, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: What if an Arthur Clarke introduction to a non-genre text made reference to how he came to write 2001, A Space Odessey? Would that make it genre? Do we have to read and assess everything even after an author is above a threshold? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 14:02, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: If it is just an article/essay and not a full book, you do not include it UNLESS it is genre. Above threshold does not mean "everything is in" - there is an exception there exactly for these essays. I would not include Clarke's essay in that case quite honestly but it is borderline and if it is about his own book, it is technically eligible. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:07, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::: Presumably referencing point 4 in the ISFDB Policy : '''Included''' which talks about exclusions as opposed to anything in the '''Excluded'''. Gotcha. Back to the salt mines now. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 16:50, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::: Yep. The "Included", point 4. It gives us the threshold stuff (which is why we are adding these but excludes non-genre "non-fiction which was not published as a standalone book" - which cuts all the introductions, magazines articles on all kinds of topics and so on unless the publication is otherwise eligible OR they are about speculative fiction in some way or form. Point 3 does not have the same exclusion so a review of a speculative book or an article tied to a speculative publication is always in but non-genre is a bit more fine-grained. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:19, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Cleaning for the sake of cleaning ==<br />
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Hi Doug, <br />
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See my message [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Dirk_P_Broer#Series:_Arabian_Nights here]. I will be happy to discuss more if needed but let's keep in mind the basic idea of the Wiki cleanup:<br />
* Move the data from the Wiki to the DB (or link to the Wiki if needed)<br />
* Retire the old links which connected wiki to DB based on tags once we have the previous done.<br />
Trying to fix something on these reports by deleting valid data is the opposite of what we want to do. That means that the reports WILL have some uncleanable entries - that's ok. Once we know that all remaining are the uncleanables, we can either retire the report or change it to allow for them or to allow ignoring or something. But losing data so we lose a line on a cleanup report is never the correct way to fix something :) <br />
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PS: And thanks for working on these :) Most of the remaining in some categories are the hard ones that were left over after multiple passes. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:21, 5 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Nonfiction and chapbooks ==<br />
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Chapbooks are only used when there is a fiction element (story, poem or serial). When the whole content is non-fiction, we use NONFICTION regardless if the contents is 10 pages or 1000 pages or if it is unified text or a collection of articles (anthology and collection are also only used when there fiction pieces). I fixed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?860914 this one]. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:25, 5 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Double quotes around href ==<br />
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Hi Doug, <br />
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You may want to check your template for new books: You have <nowiki>""https://asimov.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Books_by_Isaac_Asimov""</nowiki> which then gets into a report because of the "" at the start and the end :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:34, 6 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Cut and past from the Excel spreadsheet, works differently if you copy from the cell or the edit box. Given the number of times I've started/stopped I'm not surprised I missed some. I plan to go through them all again adding external references and images, so will check them all then (along with any other things I notice as I go). Thanks for caring. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 17:13, 6 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: They showed up on the Invalid HREF in Notes reports - so I fixed the ones that were having the problem. This was more of a "you have a glitch in your process somewhere" post and not a "we have problems that need fixing". :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:22, 6 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Ask Isaac Asimov ==<br />
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I approved your edit to add ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?861535 Is Our Planet Warming Up?]''. I made one change to your edit. You had listed "Ask Isaac Asimov" as a publication series. I think this is more properly a title series and I've changed it to reflect that. My evidence is that [https://www.worldcat.org/title/is-our-planet-warming-up/oclc/31737905?referer=br&ht=edition this Worldcat record] shows the book issued by a different publisher as being in the same series. Pub series are almost always under a single publisher. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:47, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Clearly, there were a few other new publications, and I've made the same changes to each. I spot checked a few others and they use the series name across publishers. Thanks again. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:00, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Most bibliographies don't mention the Heinemann editions, certainly not the site I was 'given' to enter these from. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 10:16, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?64606; I added/fixed info for the last book, Ozone Layer, from the copy on Archive.org, and all other books in this series are also on there (including some Heinemann editions) except, oddly, Why Do We Have Different Seasons? --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:06, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Thank you for the assistance. I am working on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Asimov.27s_non-fiction this request] to put the Asimov non-fiction in based on one bibliographic web site. My first step is to simply enter what's on that site, with research only into correct titles and nature of Asimov's contribution. Consulting the many other sources of information is a bit of a juggling act, so I wanted a complete list of titles in ISFDB before delving into them. Besides archive.org, there is the OCLC, Hathi, Google books, Open library, a review website and an annotated bibliography. Let me know if you're interested in working on this more systematically. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 12:20, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Thanks for replying so soon. Open Library and Archive.org are connected; I provided OL link to Ozone Layer's page because a lot of books on the Archive aren't really supposed to be there and get taken down because of copyright complaints, so I rarely provide direct links. Also, Google Books is a nightmare to navigate and get info from and times out if you do too many searches, and Hathitrust usually features public-domain books, which I doubt these are. The Archive copies are available for anyone who's a member; I tried becoming a member a few years ago and couldn't even get the book to open in whatever format they use, so cancelled my membership, but if you know what you're doing you can get to pretty much any page in most books by searching for keywords, page numbers, etc. I've done it many times while editing here. I would recommend using their actual copies as a reference because the 1 book I worked on had a different date than the fandom site the previous date came from. Physical always beats virtual. --[[User:Username|Username]] 12:54, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: My archive.org id works fine and I've used it several times to get page counts that partial views don't often give you. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 13:34, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
(unindent)It may make a bit more sense to slow down on adding these and actually add a bit more details in each on the first pass. Just saying. While just adding them is appreciated, just parsing the list and creating essentially skeleton entries could have been easily scripted. I hope the plan is to go back and actually flesh out these entries a LOT more although I would have preferred more details to start with and not just copy/paste from the list. Especially because I hope you are cross-referencing somewhere to make sure these books exist and are titled exactly like that. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:24, 8 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: My first depth first attempt ended up generating multiple entries and I spent hours flipping back and forth between the edit screens and sources and when I finally submitted them, I had to spend too long merging / varianting to make me want to do another that way. I figured if I got the first one (base title), I could go through the other sources in an organized fashion, figuring out how many editions/printings and which source went with each and do add pub instead of new nonfiction and replicating title information so they'd merge. As for cross-referencing, one frequent place is OCLC, but I'm looking for a match and not figuring out which ones are duplications (Wentworth Co. vs. Wentworth and Co.) or later printings or alternate titles. Yet. It is on my list as it is really the interesting part. I've been noting the archive.org copies where they match the initial edition. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 20:06, 8 October 2021 (EDT) P.S. I'll have to learn how to script things one of these days.<br />
:: Oh, I understand - I am working on my long suffering project to add the Bulgarian SF books so I know how fun it can be with sources. But you are loading a ton of these very quickly - so I was just saying to slow down and do them in smaller batches so we have less "unverified anywhere but in a random list online" books on the board at the same time. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:16, 8 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Dick Sand - Jules Verne ==<br />
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Copy-pasting this here from the main discussion page;<br />
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First time coming across this community as I am struggling down a rabbit hole.<br />
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I picked up a copy of Jules Verne's ''Dick Sand'' at a library sale - however, there is no publishing date on the inside cover, and the only identifying marking is the A.L. Burt Company on the side of the binding, and at the end of the book, ''A. L Burt's Books For Young People'', which is a catalogue of book recommendations. I've been unable to find any copy with the same cover as the one I have on google images.<br />
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In going down the rabbit hole of trying to identify this version, I found on A.L. Burt's publishing page, that you had previously verified a copy of another Verne work. Could you offer any assistance?<br />
Pictures attached of cover and side binding.<br />
[https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/367775379324141568/897652975974117468/image1.jpg]<br />
[https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/367775379324141568/897652975550472252/image0.jpg]<br />
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- Helsinki, 10:07 PM, 10/12/2021<br />
: The Jules Verne Encyclopedia gives "Reprints appeared by the turn of the century from publishers such as A. L. Burt Company in their Home Library, Cornell Series, and other nicely illustrated editions for boys.". It seems to say it was the Frewer translation. My favourite image site [http://www.julesverne.ca/vernebooks/jules-verne_dick-sands-the-boy-captain.html www.julesverne.ca] has four different cover images, but not this one. The cover looks as if it might be a generic boys book, rather than specific to Dick Sands. That's all I have to hand. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 23:51, 12 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Thank you so much! I've done a bit more research on my end, and I've reached out to another person who has written a bit on the publishing company itself; more specifically, the Home Library Series by A. L. Burt. However, there's some incongruity there, in that all the Home Library Series books, as far as I can tell, all have jackets, and blank covers with illustrated side bindings. I'll hopefully have some more information soon. [[User:Helsinki|Helsinki]] 08:05, 13 October 2021 (EDT)Helsinki<br />
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== Mikaël Bourgouin ==<br />
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Your PV (see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?617716 here]) has been varianted to the Mikaël Bourgouin spelling. Please let me know if you have any questions. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:09, 1 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
: A little correction. That became possible due to a bit of a bug - the two names cannot exist at the same time safely on the server at this time. So it will appear as "Mikaël Bourgouin" on this book. I think that the publication note showing the spelling from the book is enough as it is but heads up in case you want to change/add more to it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:24, 4 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== British Library IDs ==<br />
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Careful when copying these, you want the number without "BLL01" at the start. If you are looking at a [http://explore.bl.uk/primo_library/libweb/action/dlDisplay.do?vid=BLVU1&docId=BLL01010265090 record], it is the "System number" and not the "UIN". I fixed it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?868974 here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:58, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:Been a while since I used one. Thanks for the reminder. Going depth first on each one is going to take for...ever. At least it will if they're all this bad. I still have about a dozen foreign language ones to parse. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:08, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Figured - so stopped by with a reminder. Thanks for working on these! You know where I am if you need me for any Central/Eastern European language :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:13, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Feline Wizard / Christopher Stasheff ==<br />
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Would it make sense to change the publication date of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?613816] to unknown? It seems unlikely the 2nd printing happened in the same month as the 1st. (Which I'm PVing). --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 22:07, 22 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:Eminently. I've submitted a change. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 23:47, 22 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Here be monsters / Christopher Stasheff ==<br />
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Could you check out the discussion @ [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Nihonjoe#Here_be_monsters_.2F_Christopher_Stasheff]? Thanks. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:46, 28 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:Seems you're all coming to my side, so nothing to add. No idea why two or why I picked the one I did. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:35, 28 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The People of the Wind / general question about OCLC ==<br />
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I wanted to verify {{P|417100|The People of the Wind}} and I'm wondering how fussy one should be about OCLC when verifying.<br />
This is a first printing but links to what claims to be a [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/905970 tenth printing].<br />
I often find there isn't enough info in worldcat to definitively match an isfdb entry, but I let it go as long as there is nothing contradictory.<br />
Thanks for any guidance on this. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] 16:13, 1 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:Sorry, just saw this - two messages in between checks caught me off guard. I don't do much verifying of OCLC generally, but presume the editions / printings should match. However, your links left me confused. The OCLC is not claiming any particular printing, so should presumably be associated with the earlies 'match'. The link you gave was to the first printing which would be correct. The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?605400 tenth printing] has no reference to the OCLC. I generally don't verify external information when verifying a publication - just confirm that what's in the book and the record match and that additional information is flagged as such (e.g. artist based on signature). It's one editor's view. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 14:27, 25 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:: If I can chime in: What Doug said in general :) <br />
:: For the specific case: Fjh is right - this OCLC listing (ID 905970) is for the 10th printing ("Tenth printing, "First printing, May, 1973." in the details of the OCLC record) and need to be attached to the 10th printing record here, not to the first. So if someone here would like, find the record for the first, swap it into the first printing record and add this OCLC number to the 10th printing record instead. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:39, 25 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::: Didn't scroll far enough to see the 10th. I do however see that there are editions at both the local universities. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 15:26, 25 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:::: Multiple pairs of eyes and so on. :) One thing I had learned is that the separate libraries don't always connect their copies to the correct OCLC record IF there are multiples with the same ISBN (as is the case here). So don't get surprised if your local universities have 3rd and 12th printing instead. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:22, 25 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::::: Just saw them at the top of the list, disappear when I click "This edition only" so no idea what they are listed as. I've also learned to chase down specific library copies when OCLC records don't line up sensibly. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 16:49, 25 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:::::: Thanks everyone for the help. It took a year but I fixed up the OCLC for both {{P|417100|1st}} and {{P|605400|10th}} printings. :) [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 22:26, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Forward the Foundation ==<br />
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I'm planning to submit [[User_talk:Taweiss#Forward_the_Foundation|additions]] to {{p|14419|Forward the Foundation}}. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] 14:41, 2 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for the notice. No concerns. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 15:12, 2 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?510063 Roadside Picnic] ==<br />
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Hi, Doug! There are two thing I'd like to ask on this: <br />
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1) Is it possible that the afterword is identical to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2175231 commentary], that is: does it tell about the genesis of the novel and the Russian history of publication? <br />
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2) The cover photo has been credited to the director Andrei Tarkowski [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?STLKRTBQFQ2021 here] (and a similar [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?395284 movie still] has also been varianted). Maybe you want to do the same for your verified publications? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:53, 22 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:1) Highly likely, that is: yes it does. 2) The movie still you call similar is different, the main character's stance is quite different. I doubt that makes them variants by ISFDB rules, but don't really care. As for crediting to Tarkowski - a) I verified the publication, but did not create it b) there is no mention of that name in the book c) the matching image is from a 1979 movie, but there is no indication it was used as a cover in 1979 and no title notes to indicate why it exists as a parent in a variant or why the producer is considered the artist. It's minefield I don't care to walk into, just for having verified the book. The cover image is (now/soon) mine, so any observations you care to make on that basis are fine, as long they are recorded so they don't suggest that they come from the verification. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 12:09, 22 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Okay, thanks! I'll do the varianting for the afterword, and add the artist and a hopefully sufficient note: Tarkowski is credited in the German edition, and that the still(s) is/are from a movie which came out in 1979 is stated with the French edition (but I think, I'll do it tomorrow, at least I need a break). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:13, 22 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:: And it's not the same still as in the French edition but as used with the German one, I'd think. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:28, 23 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Self-approving ==<br />
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Interested in self-aproving - the new and shiny in between step that just allows you to self approve your submissions? If you decide you are ready for it, I would support it. Post over on the Moderator board to start the process :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:35, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
: Thanks for the vote of confidence. I'll probably wait for the current frenzy to abate while I rethink my Asimov process (currently geared to staggered entry). ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:23, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== National libraries ==<br />
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As you are collecting your own list, here is the list of all the COBISS libraries (it is a South European/Balkans framework and library for libraries - no overall catalog so each is independent but they use the same software and conventions):<br />
* Serbia: https://plus.sr.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search (we have an external ID for it as well)<br />
* Bulgaria: https://plus.bg.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search (we have an external ID for it as well)<br />
* Slovenia: https://plus.si.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search<br />
* Montenegro: https://plus.cg.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search<br />
* North Macedonia: https://plus.mk.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search<br />
* Albania: https://plus.al.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search<br />
* Bosnia: https://plus.bh.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search<br />
* Herzegovina: https://plus.rs.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search (don't ask why it is separate from Bosnia - local stuff...) :) <br />
* Kosovo: https://plus.ks.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search<br />
Some of these have more members than others; all of them have the big national library I think so if you are looking in that language, most books are there. Old Yugoslavian books can be in either of the new states that spawned out. :)<br />
PS: Croatia is missing because they had not joined (yet). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:56, 28 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29953 Shadowkeep] ... ==<br />
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... is Victoria Poyser, according to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?430511 German edition]. You might like to add her. Regards, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:10, 29 January 2022 (EST)<br />
... and I have produced a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2978772 variant], ready for merging or importing. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:12, 29 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:I've updated the entry, notified the (currently active) PVs and am hoping that the addition of the Cover artist will automatically select your canonical variant. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 10:52, 29 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Vingt mille lieues sous les mers ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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We have a lot of books under [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?4475 Le Livre de Poche] and your lonely [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?718746 verified] under "Livre de Poche". And the "Le" is visible at least on the cover as with all of them. How about reuniting it so it is not so lonely? The note already says how it is credited exactly but there is no point leaving it out in the cold that way... What do you think? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:11, 11 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:Until such time as the Publisher gets clarified, I bow to the will of the common thought. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 16:14, 11 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Well, you cite the front cover and it has "Le" in there on that one so tehnically it should have been "Le" unless it is mentioned without it somewhere inside :) Thanks for fixing! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:48, 11 February 2022 (EST)<br />
::: I can re-check the title page, but am quite willing to go with our 'standardization' for now, regardless of what it says inside. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 17:15, 11 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Stout 2 ==<br />
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I corrected one number and added the last of the cards to {{P|520729|William Stout 2}} [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 18:10, 14 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== David Starr, Space Ranger ==<br />
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Would you look at your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?204249 David Starr, Space Ranger] and check the title page to see if it actually shows "David Star: Space Ranger" and "by Isaac Asimov writing as Paul French". I have what appears to be the same publication where those are on the title page but the cover shows "david starr, space ranger". If so, this record needs to be changed to look similar to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?869757 this] with the author changed to Paul French, the title changed, additional notes added, etc. After that, it also needs to be unmerged and then merged into title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?687117 687117]. I'm willing to do any/all of this and PV once all that is done. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:09, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:Now I have it out, I will firstly agree with your assessment and proposed action(s). Some nits - the title page has "David Starr" [over] "Space Ranger", the second line in italics which suggests the sub-title colon separator is warranted. I question a number of the existing titles with a comma, but agree that your approach is correct for this publication. For content, there is an Introduction on page [7], signed "Isaac Asimov" and dated November 1970, although the copyright is 1971 and referred to as a foreword. The first printing of November 1971 suggests that 1971-11-00 is correct. The artist credit is based on a signature on the cover, as noted in the first printing (with a comma). Do I need to pull the other five in the series out when I put this one away? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 08:32, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
::I've contacted Nihonjoe about the rest of the series since he's the only active PV for them so you don't need to pull them out for me. I agree about the "Introduction" and think I should import [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?751153] to include it in this pub. Shall I go ahead and make the changes? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:36, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:::Better thee than me. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 14:09, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Re: The Chemicals of Life: Enzymes · Vitamins · Hormones ==<br />
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I'll fix the erroneous template - an artifact of my collating various sources. I could cancel, fix and re-submit but all the external entries would have to be re-typed. Looking forward to self-administration. Maybe just leave this one? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:20, 21 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Self-approver flag set ==<br />
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The self-approver flag has been set on your ISFDB account. Congratulations!<br />
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From now on, creating a submission will take you to the "Approve/Reject" Web page which will let you approve your own submissions. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:51, 24 February 2022 (EST)<br />
: To all and sundry who are responsible, I thank you. I've not yet chosen a name for my super-persona, although I'm leaning towards [https://discworld.fandom.com/wiki/Gods#Topaxi Topaxi]. :-) ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 12:21, 24 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:: I have some bad news for you - you are stuck with your original name ;) Have fun - and you know where everyone is if you ever need assistance! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:05, 24 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:::: In all my other ISFDB dealings, I'm still Holmesd, but when I push that approve button --- Topaxi !! ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 13:30, 24 February 2022 (EST)<br />
::::: As long as that persona can spot the typos of all your other personas, welcome to the fun to him as well. ;) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:14, 24 February 2022 (EST)<br />
::: Hi, Doug! Congratulations! (And have fun with the new possibilities!) Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:26, 24 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== MacVicar Cover ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:SCRTFTHLST1959.jpg; This is the wrong cover, isn't it? --[[User:Username|Username]] 00:02, 25 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:'Tis and thanks to self-approval, already fixed. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 08:17, 25 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Zoboa ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?262859 Zoboa], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+430 and add the title for the unsigned maps on pages [6]-[8] before I PV? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:42, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
:Sounds reasonable. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 07:59, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Day of the Triffids Artist. ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?286524I Day of the Triffids] I imported the Richard Powers credit from the first Crest edition. [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] 09:34, 30 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Appreciate the effort, but to be clear: The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?250638 first Crest edition] does not have this cover, the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?250639 second Crest edition], is the first with the illustration, is credited to Richard Powers, but does not quote a source, but the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?250640 third Crest edition] does credit Powers in the Notes. I've added it to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1035678 Title record] for the COVERART. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 12:02, 30 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Land That Time Forgot ==<br />
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Hi, You seem to have added the wrong cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?248740 this] edition. Please compare to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?254846 this], which has the correct artist (George Akimoto). ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?297399 This] is the Segrelles-covered edition.) Thanks! [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 19:14, 9 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
:You are correct, and hopefully now the entry is as well. The source has Segelles listed at the end of this entry, but as a separator and I goofed. Thanks for the pointer. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 19:33, 9 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Waif of the Cynthia ==<br />
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Happy New Year, 2021 and 2022!<br><br />
Seaside Library Pocket Edition #659 P{{p|761882}} is not one you have PVerified. <br />
Yet I report:<br><br />
Moments ago I submitted update to use the full publisher name George Munro, and revised your notes to specify that the stated sources give only the short name "Munro". ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5291560 submission])<br><br />
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By the way, your link jv.gilead.org.il now returns Internal Server Error. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:14, 11 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:No problem. Another site has mirrored gilead, just need to prefix with "julesverne.ca/". Also, they have images of the cover and the price is really 20 cents. I'm posting here so I'll remember to put this in after your submission is processed. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:21, 11 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Allan Quatermain [O] by Haggard and La Motte Fouqué ==<br />
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It seems to me your 6th and final paragraph should be the 3rd par, following "1927." If I understand correctly, pages [1]-266 carry the headers "Allan Quatermain" (?beginning p4 with the page numbering) and second series pages [93]-147 carry the headers "The Two Captains" (?beginning p96 with the second series page numbering). Except front matter before first p[1] and the Burt Catalogue as back matter, those are all the printed leaves in the book, 133+28 of them. <br />
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We should have a name for such books, akin to dos-a-dos. I have seen a few: full title page identifies only the first and foremost of contents; Surprise! contents follow their own interior half-title page(s). Some libraries miss the Surprise!, and may report simply 147 pages too. Re the pagination, Burt maybe issued a La Motte Fouqué collection in which "The Two Captains" text spans p[95]-147. <br />
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Did you read "Authorities" by "The writer of "Allan Quatermain." (probably missing one quotation mark)? Perhaps it should entered as ESSAY content. (If you send me its lead sentence, I will carry it sometimes and maybe once when I visit the big library, look for it in ''Allan Quatermain'' eds.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:47, 30 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
: I've touched up the text along the lines you suggested. I've chosen to leave it as an acknowledgement of sources rather than an essay, figuring the notes cover it well enough. As for "Authorities", I've emailed the entire contents to you. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 19:59, 30 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Understanding Physics ==<br />
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{{T|3029968|This}} and {{T|3029969|this}} appear to be the exact same omnibus. Am I missing something? Based on the notes, it seems like the only reason they are separate is to record the two dates? If so, that is not a valid use case. Titles are dated based on their first appearance only. The Barnes and Nobles data can be captured in the title notes or (the best approach) stub records created for the first printings of each edition. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:16, 25 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Out of Time's Abyss ==<br />
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According to The British Edgar Rice Burroughs Society facebook page and [https://www.erbzine.com/mag7/0766.html this website] cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?107621 this] i Dave Pether. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 13:36, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Quote the source in the update and I'll be happy. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 16:12, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Raven Ring ==<br />
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Hi. For {{P|45918}} which I have just PVed, I was confused at the publication date which is listed in my copy as August 1995 whilst the record says December 1995. Checking the edit history, I see that User:Chris_J got this from locus1. Are you happy if I add the following notes:<br />
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* Publication month from locus1<br />
* Stated "First mass market edition: August 1995"<br />
* First printing by numberline<br />
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--[[User:AliHarlow|AliHarlow]] 05:26, 8 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
: I would be happy as it matches my copy. My only sorrow is that I missed it when I verified it and added the image. Thanks. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 17:24, 8 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Once and Future King ==<br />
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Cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?486846 this] is William Hatherell. It's titled The Rescue of Guinevere and dated 1910. See [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Hatherell wikipedia]. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 11:55, 26 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Asimov's Opus 100, Opus 200, Opus 300 ==<br />
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There appear to be duplicate titles for these three collections with one being marked as a COLLECTION and the other NONFICTION.<br />
Are the following title pairs the same?<br />
* {{T|38033}} & {{T|2928818}}<br />
* {{T|39451}} & {{T|2928819}}<br />
* {{T|2905552}} & {{T|2928820}}<br />
The initial Houghton Mifflin publications for each title pair seem the same except for their date.<br />
Also, note that according to Wikipedia these collections contain a mixture of fiction and nonfiction (as well as SF and non-genre works) by Asimov.<br />
--[[User:Riselka|Riselka]] 14:32, 27 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Out of town, will check next week. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 06:53, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:I suspect these pairs are identical and I will be removing the three I added. However, based on the contents, I believe these should be NONFICTION. I'll bring it up on the Community Forum. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 12:33, 10 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Lost Continent ==<br />
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According to a post on the The British Edgar Rice Burroughs Society Facebook page the cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?107541 this] is Bob Fowke. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 13:25, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Land of Hidden Men ==<br />
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Cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?211537 this] is Bob Fowke according to listings I've seen on Biblio and Advanced Book Exchange. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 13:30, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Times Without Number ==<br />
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Doug, I approved the change in publisher [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5401686 here], but not because of the submitter's reason. I found a scanned copy in the internet archive which shows 'Hamlyn Paperbacks' on the title page. I attached the link to the publication record. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:11, 27 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: It was transient, so cannot check my copy. History shows no change to publisher so no idea what it was originally. Can you recall - seems something so obvious should have been there from the beginning. Bluesman and I seem to be the prime source of Canadian editions/printings, I'm just a bit concerned I wasn't notified of such a basic change. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 12:19, 28 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: The publisher was previously 'Hamlyn'. I counseled the editor to seek agreement with such changes in the future. I didn't think you would mind the change since I found the archive scan and your transient verification was so far in the past. If I'm wrong, I apologize. Do you agree with the change? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:44, 28 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: Back then, there were attempts to standardize publishers, so even if/though it said 'Hamlyn Paperbacks', I could see using simply 'Hamlyn', so find this to be perfectly reasonable. If it had been changed from "Canadian Press", I'd have expected questions. So, all is good. Thanks for chatting. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:25, 28 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== John Varley / Titan (map & diagram) ==<br />
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I am drawing your attention to [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#John_Varley_.2F_Titan_.28map_.26_diagram.29 this topic] on the Community Portal which affects a pub that you have PVd. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:29, 26 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?924221 Words of Science and the History Behind Them] ==<br />
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This verified pub. still has 'hence first edition' in its notes - seems to be somewhat strange. Could you take a second look? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:19, 3 December 2022 (EST)<br />
: The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?532529 1974 edition] is a new and revised edition, hence this is the first edition. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 14:32, 4 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:: But there was a 1959 edition - ten years before your verified publication, and by a different publisher: that's what made me think. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 05:44, 6 December 2022 (EST)<br />
::: Houghton Mifflin does hard-cover, Signet is a Canadian paperback reprinter. Thinking rarely hurt anyone. ;-) ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:10, 6 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:::: So, it seems the Signet is a new (second?) edition. Something like "First paperback edition" in the notes would clarify things, or do you disagree? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:05, 6 December 2022 (EST)<br />
::::: I"ve changed the text to original unrevised edition. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 16:42, 6 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Silent Warrior ==<br />
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Cover art for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?47237 this] is not Chris Achilleos. It's Alan M. Clarke. See [https://ifdpublishing.com/product/trilobite-returns-to-helvoran-large-print/ here] --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 06:18, 17 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:● I have added the correct credit to the artist, the web page that the artwork can be found on, and on the artworks’ page, the title of the work. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 15:20, 17 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Baxter - Proxima ==<br />
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Hi, I believe the Afterword [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?554396 here] should be correctly titled "Afterword (Proxima)" - please check. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 14:13, 11 January 2023 (EST)<br />
* That makes two believers, but hardly enough to start a religion. Change made. Thanks. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:08, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Re the line "Afterword dated to first Roc edition, no mention of afterword in earlier editions.". A look [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=Afterword+%28Proxima%29&type=All+Titles here] leads to the earlier Gollancz Afterword [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?422436 2013-09-00]. What am I missing? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:37, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::: What I was missing was going backwards through editions and not seeing it. Once more into the breach. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:49, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::Erm....once more? I think you might have missed deleting the Notes line "Afterword dated to first Roc edition, no mention of afterword in earlier editions." It's never-ending, it seems :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 03:00, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Two Adams titles ==<br />
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Hi Doug, you are PV'd [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?572762 here] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?572761 here]. Looking at this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?200789 Rupert Truman] summary page, would you have any objections to me adding the other 3 names to "The Restaurant at the End of the Universe" & "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" title pages? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:28, 22 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: Yes I would. The help entry for the Cover Art field states "The cover designer (as opposed to the cover artist) is only entered in this field if he or she also did (parts of) the cover art. Otherwise the cover designer can be recorded in the note field.". I try very hard to follow the rules. Putting this on an entries where I am the only verifier makes it look as if I didn't follow the rules. It also generates entries that can be used suggest that the rules should be changed to accommodate demand/desire. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 07:59, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::I completely understand what you're saying and respect your decision. I didn't raise this lightly and not because it looked as though there is precedent with the other titles and therefore everything should be done like that. We are seemingly at the whim of the publishers and how they annotate the crediting. With this whole Picador tranche of Adams' titles my opinion is that they commissioned these 4 people to collaborate together on the whole project; all of them getting together to decide what needed to be photographed and how the elements would all fit to create the final image. On the covers, the publisher separated out the photography credit. It's a question of interpretation, IMHO, and the line between designer and artist is becoming increasingly blurred by increasingly sophisticated digital manipulation. Anyway, enough of that... the straightforward application of 'Design' no, anything else yes (...sort of) is fine and I stick to that, going by what's on a book, it's just these unusual ones that cause problems. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 08:42, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Asimov - I, Robot - by Fawcett Crest ==<br />
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Hello Doug, re your {{P|479102|PV here}}, this is just a heads-up to point to my discussion with Tom [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Taweiss#Asimov_-_I.2C_Robot Taweiss] regarding Fawcett covers and this {{P|205285|1970 printing}}. You might find something there for yours. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 00:54, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ender's Shadow ==<br />
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You {{P|483390|PV}} seems to have a {{P|556122|duplicate}}. I'll submit a request to delete the latter, unless there's a reason not to. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 21:19, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Death To The Brothers Grimm ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5606480; After adding the link I noticed co-editor's name is spelled one way on title page but another way in intro, so I fixed that. When approved a variant will be needed. I also noticed it's spelled a 3rd way on copyright page (Pueschel, no middle initial) while bio is Pueschel, middle initial, so maybe that last one is the preferred name, possibly? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:10, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::As I no longer have access, the archive edition should be taken as gospel. I think the Pueschel is correct, so Pueschal is the variant. The existing entry for him if for a review, so I would give it less weight towards canonical and use Emory B. Pueschel. Then the review needs the variant as well as the anthology (introduction should be okay). I have also changed the name Emory Puschal to Emory Puschal (in error) and make it an alternate to the canonical. You can drop your submission and let me know it you think I've got it right now (self-moderation to the rescue). ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 12:23, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::OK, cancelled, new one with just Archive.org link added, should be approved...soon? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:32, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: I'm confused. I have updated the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?638474 original pub] to match your comments and the archive.org copy. I don't know why you would want to enter another one. I am self-moderating, meaning I can approve my own edits, but can't see or work with yours. My hope was that you would check the pub and see if you believe it to be correct as it stands. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 13:43, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::I cancelled my edit which added link + corrected editor name and made another one which just added the link since you took care of the names; it's already been approved. Done. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:08, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Biography of J. R. R. Tolkien: Architect of Middle Earth ==<br />
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I added some notes and the price to Your pv pub [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?955533 here]. Hope it's correct. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 18:36, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: It is correct. There was a price sticker on the printed price. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:17, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Paris in the Twentieth Century ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?371321; I've been adding links and ID and other stuff to all 4 editions of Verne's novel; in the case of this edition that you PV the cover artist is Mark on copyright page, not Marc, and page count is 222, not 223 (Library of Congress agrees with that). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:07, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I'm too trusting sometimes. Was able to find scanned images from that book and all is true. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:14, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Publication: Thuvia, Maid of Mars ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?286240<p><br />
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Does it actually say "January"? or just "First Four Square edition 1962" --[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] ([[User talk:Spacecow|talk]]) 17:40, 6 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
: If I put it in quotes, it's usually exactly as written, not that I haven't made mistakes. It's buried in one of a half-dozen boxes under the stairs in the basement, any particular reason for asking? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 22:15, 6 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Mine does not say "January", only "First Four Square edition 1962", that's why I was asking. --[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] ([[User talk:Spacecow|talk]]) 15:20, 8 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Twenty minutes and and only hitting my head once on low beams later, I found the copy and you are indeed correct. The other information in quotes is correct, so I don't know where the January came in. Thank you both for checking so carefully and being patient. I've removed the "January" from the pub. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 17:13, 8 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pellucidar ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5715361; A copy was uploaded on Archive.org way back in 2010 but nobody ever added the link so I did and I noticed the artist was wrong so I fixed that, assuming it's the same in your copy. If it's not, I will cancel and just add the link. If it is, after it's approved you'll need to variant to the artist's parent name, right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:51, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I had a load of Burroughs to enter about then. I see that all I did was verify with no updates so probably just missed the initial. The artist name is already a variant so I'm thinking that nothing else will need to be done on that front. When it's done I'll see if the COVERART needs something. P.S. in general, you should link to the publication, not your submission. Not everyone can see submissions. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 22:39, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Saberhagen, Zelazny - The Black Throne ==<br />
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Hello Doug, I'm adding Reginald3 ID# to your PV {{P|36105|pub here}}. As I'm adding a lot of Reg3 ID#s, could you let me know if you want to be notified every time I make those edits? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 13:30, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Also adding Reginald3 ID# here; {{P|43948|The Mask of Loki}}. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 14:02, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Only if there's a discrepancy. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:44, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Escape on Venus / Burroughs ==<br />
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Are these dups? [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?12554 EOV #1] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?855676 EOV #2]<br />
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I have a copy I'd like to PV, but it's not obvious which it applies to. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 02:39, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Based on many other Ballantine Burroughs, I'd suggest that 12554 is printed in the US and 855676 was printed in Canada is the distinction. If yours is Canadian, use that, if US, use the other and add it to the notes. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 10:49, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Hidden Years and Watchmen ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?597949; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5751517; Your PV is transient but in case you can get a copy again note that ISBN in HC is the same as the one you entered for TP, which seems odd, plus page count is different and page numbers weren't entered for your edition. In case you can/want to fix any of those. EDIT: I also added an Archive.org link to your PV of the 2008 $39.99 Moore / Gibbons Watchmen edition; I was so shocked that it was the same edition and not a later printing like so many of the other Watchmen copies on that site that I thought I'd mention it in case you want to give yours another look to fix/add anything since it's been almost 10 years since you PV it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:25, 24 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Re: Hidden Years. The impetus for the entry was a review, with additional information from an Amazon look-inside, as the Notes indicate. Anyone with a copy is free to correct any of the information I entered. Re: Archive.org link - the submission you gave was to a cloning of Hidden Years, not my copy. There was an Archive.org link in the clone. Re: Watchmen - I cannot see any changes on my verified Watchmen publication or any sign of a link to Archive.org, so I do not know what your are referring to. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 14:41, 27 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Because my edit for Watchmen wasn't approved yet, like the 1,200+ other edits I have waiting because the moderator approval system has completely broken down; so when I say I added something that usually means it's pending. I just thought that with a work of such importance to the genre you might want to take another look at it after all these years to add (or fix) anything you may have missed because things have changed a lot here in the 10 years or so since you PV it, but if you don't want to that's up to you. As for Hidden Years I've done so many edits since then that I've forgotten the specifics, so never mind, my edit will be approved sooner or later (probably later) and then you or someone else can decide whether anything needs fixing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:19, 27 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::You had been kind enough to include a link to your submission for Hidden Years that allowed me to follow your arguments. You did not, however, provide a link to the submission for the Watchmen, so I am unable to comment on any differences between my copy and the archive.org one. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:49, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5751519; I'm not really asking you to comment on any differences; all I did was provide an archived link in my Watchmen edit. You as PV actually still own the book, I assume, so I was asking if you wanted to look over the ISFDB page for it again and possibly add or fix anything to this very important work in the genre because since you PV it many years ago a lot of stuff has changed on this site and things that didn't exist back then may exist now. But it's up to you; if you don't want to, it's OK, at least there'll be a link there soon so people can read the book. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:55, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Dolphins of Pern ==<br />
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Hello. Re [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38553 this] publication.<br />
I've come across a quandry. A note on the 8th paperback printing states "'Map courtesy of Christine Levis' on copyright page. Signature "Christina Levis" at bottom right map.".<br />
I have in my hand the 1994 Bantam Books (UK) hardback edition. The map in my edition is indeed titled Ninth Pass Pern but there is no signature anywhere on the map and Christine Levis' name appears nowhere in my publication. Caption for my map has "© 1987 Niels Erickson. Oceanography information by P. Burr Loomis. Ocean current maps by Marilyn Alm" it's a gridded map with numbers horizontally 19 top & bottom left; 17 top & bottom right; and numbers vertically left/right 80 at top and bottom. Can you check your copy to see if the same map or a different one. I've submitted my edits. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 15:24, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Regrettably, [[https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BKTG10644 my verified copy]] was transient and the first edition. I hope you have better luck with Taweiss. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 22:26, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Norton - 'Ware Hawk ==<br />
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Hello Doug, with regard to {{P|24|this pub}}, I've posted to Dirk P Broer's page [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Dirk_P_Broer#Norton_-_.27Ware_Hawk here] and would appreciate your input. Thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 00:12, 10 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Proxima ==<br />
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Hi Doug, <br />
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I am co-verifying [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?554396 the 3rd printing] and wanted to add the start page of the novel itself but the book gave me a pause. The start of the chapter (the word "One") is on [1]. But the few lines on the previous page are actually part of the novel IMO -- which would mean a page count of viii+504 and a starting page of [vii]. What do you think? I am happy to leave it as is and all this as a note as well if you prefer it that way. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:06, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I've not read the book, so I don't know if those few lines are a general dedication or related to the plot. Making it [vii] seems a bit weird, so the note is the way I would go. No problem either way though. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 18:20, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: I read it during my last trip - they are part of the book and tie to the very end of it (and presumably the next book). :) A note is fine. I will add it later. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:44, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Folklore of Diskworld ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1788694; Should it be Discworld? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:17, 22 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Checking. My copy is currently in another province. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 22:22, 22 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::My copy (7th printing) is indeed "Discworld". However, i don't know if the former printings are also false entries or if it was corrected for or up to the 7th. Therefore i'll wait with the edit for what you and the PV of the other earlier printings say and then decide if a title edit or a new title is necessary. [[User:Welo|Welo]] ([[User talk:Welo|talk]]) 07:26, 23 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Searching Archive.org for "preview from the folklore of discworld" found these 2 (both 2008 Corgi first printings), https://archive.org/search?query=%22preview+from+the+folklore+of+discworld%22&sin=TXT, while diskworld finds nothing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:03, 23 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Canadian Hobbit ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=0-458-92030-4&type=ISBN; I just made an edit adding the 4th printing (Magnum '77 w/ same price) but page count is 279, not 278, because last page has no number. Also, ISBN is the same on copyright page and back cover so are they really different on your copy as note here says? If so, I guess someone at the publisher noticed in the 4th or maybe 3rd printing and fixed it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:53, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Chromosomal Code ==<br />
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You are a PV for this title: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37082 I just submitted this edit to moderators: Submitting External ID (Goodreads) & web page 1 (a statement from the author on how he wrote this novel). Cheers. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 07:56, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Map of Chaos ==<br />
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Added cover scan, notes and external IDs to your PVd [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?514198 The Map of Chaos].[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 17:05, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Conan the Triumphant / number line ==<br />
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My copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?7798 Conan the Triumphant] doesn't have a number line. Yours? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 03:06, 4 January 2024 (EST)<br />
: No. First trade printing: October 1983, First mass market printing: April 1985. A TOR Book. Published by ... Cover art by Boris Vallejo. ISBN: 0-812-54242-8. CAN.ED.: 0-812-54243-6. Printed in the United States of America. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 11:07, 4 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== War Chief ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?262667; Made PENDING edit adding archived link; also, made count 215 to include 2 numbered glossary pages. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:29, 7 January 2024 (EST)<br />
: That one is buried deep, I'll take your word for it. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:42, 8 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Robur ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?759625; 2 words in your quoted notes may be misspelled; publiation and l'éition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:36, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
: Likely. I fixed them rather than dig out my images of the those pages. I stand not only corrected, but amazed. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 21:14, 18 January 2024 (EST)</div>
Holmesd
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:Holmesd&diff=677854
User:Holmesd
2024-01-16T04:52:41Z
<p>Holmesd: /* Publications */</p>
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<div>If you've any interest in Wrebbit puzzles or Canadian postal First Day Covers our paths should cross here or elsewhere.<br />
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==TASKS==<br />
*Add Japanese Fairy Tales<br />
*Have added Ace addresses based on Jimmie's book. Need to correlate to books, and establish dates. <br />
**Consider search of Henderson style directories, and trademark searches (based on address, did 1120 Avenue of the America).<br />
*Tarzan and the "Foreign Legion" vs Foreign Legion - need to check physical copies.<br />
*Tarzan's Quest was added. Put in picture and move verification (per [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Nimravus#Tarzan.27s_Quest Nimravus conversation])<br />
*<strike>Check out accent in my copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?486277 Seven Altars of Dusarra]. </strike> <br />
*<strike>Tarzan's Quest and next 3 have cover artist errors + Castaways(?) </strike><br />
*<strike>Title merge cover art for Tarzan and the Castaways. and the Lost Adventure.</strike><br />
*check Canadian(?) libraries for books of interest and see if they will send images of cover(s)/title page/copyright page.<br />
*[https://www.oclc.org/bibformats/en/introduction.html MARC record formats]?<br />
*To check at the library<br />
**[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Is_Braille_a_font_or_separate_letter_system.3F braille] books at Millenium? None of interest.<br />
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=='''Conversations'''==<br />
[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#SERIALs_and_.28Part_i_of_n.29 Numbering SERIALs] - impacts a few current entries, and Magasin d'Education et de Recreation - both volume-d and individual entries. See also [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Linguist#M.C3.A9moires_de_l.27Acad.C3.A9mie_des_Sciences.2C_des_Lettres_et_des_Arts_d.27Amiens this] conversation with Linguist. Results would have no part ranges. Still working on whether Chapter XX would work instead of Part i of n. Note this allows re-use of titles from the actual Magasin to the bound volumes (doubly/triply so if you include brochés vs bound editions). <br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Which_is_the_canonical.3F Canonical] conversation regarding a Journalist in 2989, which has English translated to French and back to English with variable authorship. Not covered, but implicit in this is how many revisions make a story different enough to warrant its own title. <br />
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Changes to Voyages Extraordinaire series to publisher series. Started [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Linguist#Verne.27s_series Jules Verne series] topic with Linguist to hash out my questions and suggested approach.<br />
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==Ongoing Project (Isaac Asimov - non-genre)==<br />
===Tracking===<br />
*OCLC identified Publication Series with multiple Asimov books - check all books included. Check other authors (e.g. Ben Bova). <br />
**Saggi Zanichelli - Italian, 3 Asimov<br />
**Collana di storia della scienza - Italian, 2 Asimov<br />
**Asimov sensyū - Japanese, 31 Asimov<br />
**Franklin Book Program Collection - Persian, unknown<br />
**V mire nauki i techniki - Russian - 2 Asimov<br />
**Nauchno-populi︠a︡rnai︠a︡ biblioteka - Russian 16 Asimov<br />
**New Library of the Universe (spreadsheet tab)<br />
**Braille books. Fantastic Fiction had a cover image. [https://www.amazon.com/How-Did-Find-About-Coal/dp/1569561141#detailBullets_feature_div Amazon] mentions publisher William a Thomas Braille, (e.g. ISBN 1569561141) and there is an online [http://www.braillebookstore.com/ bookstore] and [https://www.google.ca/books/edition/The_Time_Machine/gQI9PgAACAAJ?hl=en Google Books] reference (H.G. Wells).<br />
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===General Notes===<br />
*An editor [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Pdw1966#Answer identified] a source of non-genre [https://asimov.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Books_by_Isaac_Asimov Asimov titles] and a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Asimov.27s_non-fiction request for help] when out. I stuck my nose in. This is an attempt to organize that effort.<br />
*I've a tracking spreadsheet with all the titles, publishers and dates and links to any ISFDB titles (have not matched at the pub level), so I can notify them when I change existing titles from genre to non-genre. <br />
*The first try going depth first was time-consuming, multiple editions, title merging and waits. Plan became breadth-first.<br />
*Moderator suggested that unsupported entries en masse were not the best approach.<br />
*Back to depth first, title by title, with a supporting spreadsheet to track sources and generate (most) text for notes. Checklist for searching being refined.<br />
*Reference links are embedded in the spreadsheet, getting to be too many to track here. Links incorporate titles where relevant.<br />
*Given the organization around going through these books, I thought I might check to see how well his genre work is covered by these sources. I may be tired of this by then.<br />
*There is a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Sources_of_Bibliographic_Information#Author-specific_sites section] of the Bibliographic help for authors that has no Asimov sites. Should consider adding the helpful ones to it.<br />
*Built a program to scan OCLC for an author/title combo and pull all results into a text file, easily imported into Excel. Have done all of the Asimov titles (except alternate titles).<br />
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==Ongoing Project (Wiki)==<br />
[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?108 Series Talk Wiki pages not linked to Series records] (1)<br />
*Talk'ed to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Anniemod#The_Anarchist Annie].<br />
*On the hook to create the magazine and enter 'an issue'. <br />
[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?107 Series Wiki pages not linked to Series records] (6)<br />
*Clean up and repurposing of [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Bibliographic_Projects Bibliographic Projects] page for things like the Asimov request.<br />
===Wiki Cleanup reports===<br />
:*Maybe structure around [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup.cgi Cleanup] page (scroll down to Wiki for now, direct links for each one as I tackle them). <br />
===Wiki cross-ref===<br />
There are explanations of processes, how things work and history buried in a number of User Talk pages. May want to consider chasing some of these down before updating or creating help content.<br />
* another example is work-arounds. Should check out the [https://sourceforge.net/projects/isfdb/ Feature requests] etc. under Tickets. (current and past?) Might need to link to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Development Development] pages for historical stuff.<br />
* have a copy of source code in case I want to check for messages, connections, etc.<br />
* For content (and reference / tracking) there is the page, the source for the page, the Talk page and the history to worry about. <br />
* Would like to be able to read, annotate and chase links (in document and in annotations) easily. Options are Access, Word (and comment/hyperlink), PDF (annotation/hyperlink?), cloning to my own wiki structure (on my PC or within ISFDB). I may want to create a replacement set of pages if I go beyond critiquing into revising / adding - where would they go?<br />
* [[Help:What is the Wiki and How is it Used]] is a local explanation of wikis.<br />
*Examples:<br />
:*[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Setting_up_a_separate_Talk_page_for_PV_change_notifications Talk page of PV change notifications].<br />
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===Wiki re-org===<br />
:*Very big and worthy of breaking down into parts. I've started a survey while deciding what to do about Verne (cleaning up existing points / adding encyclopedia contents). <br />
:* For order to review - overall main menu based structure (for organization) and then Help for details. <br />
:*A couple of bullets - an introductory explanation of site/terms, dead sections of wiki (Publication:, bibliographic projects), making Help consistent (e.g. Policy has exclusions in the Included section), better menu/catalogue/linking structure? <br />
:*There is no description of 'how' things work as opposed to the current how to work things. Think (and document?) about tracking use cases as I go through the HELP sections.<br />
:*Once the rules and procedures are clearly articulated, look into how one could test them.<br />
:*A different focus for some help / tutorial would be sample title/copyright pages to illustrate points.<br />
:*Does the help cover [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Chris_J#Juvenile_chapbooks this] rule for Juvenile chapbooks? Will I need to go through all the User Talks to find these tips?<br />
:*Contemplating a (new) glossary of words, terms, concepts, actions. It would be interesting to see what ''paths'' lead to the explanations for concepts. May also need pairing of concepts, such as editing, viewing, defining, finding to go with things like publisher, publication, etc.<br />
:*I believe the proper term for what we call 'copyright page' is 'title page verso'.<br />
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===Wiki Help augmentation===<br />
Alluded to in several points above (and below). Seems that Bill Longley started this and got this far: Projects\ISFDB\Wiki Review\using-the-isfdb-internet-speculative-fiction-database.pdf<br />
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==Ongoing Project (Publishers)==<br />
[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Publishers_Project Publishers Project]<br />
*What has already been talked about? Have the Verified Publishers project, but lots of conversations scattered about. Part of cleaning up the site wiki?<br />
*resource to add: [https://archive.org/details/americanliterary0046unse American Literary Publishing Houses 1900-1980: Trade and Paperback] at archive.org. Earlier volumes or other parts of series may give different locations / times. No sign of volumes for private publishing houses as preface suggests. Access to full set available through university account?<br />
:Bibliography has:<br />
:*Blumenthal, Joseph, ''The Printed Book in America''. Boston: David R. Godine, 1977.<br />
:*Bonn, Thomas L. ''Undercover: An Illustrated History of American Mass Market Paperbacks''. Harmondsworth, U.K. & New York: Penguin, 1982<br />
:*Crider, Allen Billy. ''Mass Market Publishing in America''. Boston: G. K. Hall, 1982.<br />
:*Davis, Kenneth C. ''Two-Bit Culture: The Paperbacking of America''. Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 1984<br />
:*Gross, Gerald, ed. ''Publishers on Publishing''. New York: Bowker, 1961; New York: Grosset & Dunlap, 1961<br />
:*Kurian, George Thomas. ''The Directory of American Book Publishing from Founding Fathers to Today's Conglomerates''. New York: Simon & Schuster, 1975.<br />
:*Lehmann-Haupt, Hellmut, Lawrence C. Wroth, and Rollo G. Silver. ''The Book in America: A History of the Making and Selling of Books in the United States''. 2nd ed. New York: Bowker, 1951.<br />
:*Madison, Charles A. ''Book Publishing in America''. New York: McGraw-Hill, 1966.<br />
:*Reginald, R. and M. R. Burgess. ''Cumulative Paperback Index 1939-1959''. Detroit: Gale Research, 1973.<br />
:*Schick, Frank L. ''The Paperbound Book in America; The History of Paperbacks and Their European Background''. New York: Bowker, 1958. ([https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015011731331 Hathi Trust]).<br />
:*Tanselle, G. Thomas. ''Guide to the Study of United States Imprints''. 2 vols. Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 1971. (Elizabeth Dafoe Library Reference Z 1215 A2 T35 1971)<br />
:*Tebbel, John. ''A History of Book Publishing in the United States''. 4 vols. New York: Bowker, 1972-1981. (Reference Collection (Library Use Only) Z 473 T42 vols 1-3)<br />
:*Tebbel. ''Paperback Books: a Pocket History''. New York: Pocket Books, 1964.<br />
:*University of Illinois Library School. ''Brief Studies of General Book Publishing Firms of the United States''. Urbana: University of Illinois, 1931.<br />
:*Walters, Ray. ''Paperback Talk''. Chicago: Academy Chicago Publishers, 1985. ([https://archive.org/details/paperbacktalk00walt archive.org])<br />
* how do imprints get registered? Trademark registry has some (e.g. Ace A), sounds like they could just be business names, registered at a state level. Found one by searching on address/owner name.<br />
* What is a publisher? Is Permabound a publisher if they re-bind? ISFDB records show HC as format for (original) publisher who only did PB.<br />
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==Ongoing Project (Jules Verne)==<br />
'''How many are non-genre as marked and in fact? Do I pursue all the clean-up?''' Is there too much to retain the non-genre? Check the rule.<br />
*Have posed question on Community Portal, no response yet. Could knock on doors of primary PVers who are still active. Think about the query.<br />
===Series===<br />
*Voyages Extraordinaires<br />
**The series is by Hetzel (then Hachette when they bought them out). This might be a publisher series. A quick scan of some early English editions bears this out. So what makes a series a series? <br />
**<strike>The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?4077 Voyages extraordinaires] series is based on Wikipedia - not date order. Once cleaned up and original French novels are entered and it becomes clearer, reset this.</strike> Making it a publisher series.<br />
**There was an earlier [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard/Archive_10#Need_help_with_omnibus_vs._novel_submission discussion] regarding both multiple titles and series. Probably the origin of the 'problem'. <br />
**Later conversation with [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Ahasuerus/Archive/2019#Note_on_author_page_for_Jules_Verne Ahasuerus ] dealt with history and conclusion that publication series is best and raised the problem of multiple series in a book. <br />
**Initial question posted on Help Forum as [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Series:_Voyage_Extraordinaires Series: Voyage Extraordinaires] (Oct 12, 2018). Not much response, have pinged Linquist (Oct 20, 2018). <br />
**[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Linguist/Archive8#Verne.27s_Voyages_Extraordinaires Linguist response] makes a point regarding Hachette.<br />
***Good response. Some considerations are: making sub-series; Collection Hetzel; Libraire Hachette; Biblioteque d'Education et de Recreation. What kind of series are these, and which ones should we track. Note that "Collection Hetzel" covers books by other authors, e.g. [https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=https://www.noosfere.org/livres/editeur.asp%3Fnumediteur%3D2078944448&prev=search H. Rider Haggard]. <br />
***Another consideration - if we can't yet have multiple series, couldn't we track the desirability with a Template? To be raised in Community Portal.<br />
***Looks like a template for additional series.<br />
**There were difficulties encountered in modifying Series (e.g. Marvel) that led to some heated discussion. Best to let this cool, check the situation and post intentions before proceeding.<br />
**There are existing publication series for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?280 Voyages extraordinaires], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?5414 Collection des Voyages extraordinaires] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?3686 Collection Hetzel]. And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?3086 ''Bibliothèque d'éducation et de récréation ''].<br />
**Start tracking the data - need a list of titles and pubs and check the French editions to see which have which series - [Les] Voyages Extraordinaires and Collection Hetzel. Year may be significant. Will also need to crosscheck entries to include this. <br />
***The collected Bibliotheques don't seem to have any series, but an ad in vols 61-62 claims many titles are in the series, right back to the first. This could be (interpreted as) a reference to the series of books rather than titles. <br />
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*Title Series<br />
**Several of the separate series (e.g. Barsac) are just one book done in parts. <strike>These should be merged back into the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?4077 Voyages extraordinaires] series.</strike> Still need to be looked at.<br />
**Two series are problematic - they are sequels to books by others. Which takes precedence? I'd like them under Verne, but there is a title note, whereas the other series wouldn't exist without the Verne sequel.<br />
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*FItzroy editions<br />
**Fitzroy editions should be recorded as a publisher's series per [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Ahasuerus#Note_on_author_page_for_Jules_Verne this] conversation with Ahasuerus. Then the notes on the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Author:I._O._Evans I. O. Evans] author page can be removed.<br />
**So far I've a list of the 63 titles in a spreadsheet. Columns to track what's in ISFDB and it's not a lot (20%). Ace editions complete, the 6 Panther editions completely missing (referenced [http://www.verniana.org/volumes/04/HTML/IOEvans.html here] to give titles and search criteria). From the sound of it, most of these should be new translations (or abridgements / bastardizations). So would likely need to see copies of most of these to be sure. <br />
**All titles entered, a couple of odd bits to follow up on (e.g. Jules Verne (in error), no French original for Cynthia). <strike>Still need to variant generated titles to French originals. </strike>. Many missing from wiki. Should do a clean-up run. <br />
**I've run across I. O. Evans "Jules Verne, Master of Science Fiction" a couple of times. Has some of his translations of short stories. Check it out.<br />
**There's a couple of his short stories with first pubs in magazines by Mercury Press that predate the Fitzroy. Mistaken attribution of translation or real? Possibly from the "JV, M of SF" above (hence the look)? Based on ISFDB entry for this book, no short stories, just excerpts. <br />
**<strike>The encyclopedia seems to have pretty specific information regarding dates, publisher and prices. Also states whether it is his translation and/or abridgement and sometime the source. Might be worth going through and recording on the spreadsheet. Done. </strike><br />
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*Other publisher series<br />
**There are a number of 'unknown' books published in ''Manuscrit nantais'', including ''L'oncle Robinson''. Might be worth backfilling these as well. Best description is [http://www.julesverne.ca/vernebooks/jules-verne_manuscrits-nantais.html www.julesverne.ca]. Also check out [http://www.julesverne.ca/vernebooks/jvbkoncle.html this] list of titles and FRBNF35487581 and FRBNF37656501 at BNF.<br />
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*Abridgements<br />
**There is a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?55074 sub-series] for abridgements and excerpts of a title (in a larger series - Captain Nemo). Once Voyages Extraodinaires is a publicatoin series, would this approach be useful for abridgements in general?<br />
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===Titles===<br />
'''Cleaning up'''<br />
*Deal with the title notes for Omnibuses and Collections.<br />
*Anniemod makes a point [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#A_Clockwork_Orange_-_should_this_have_two_title.2Fvariant_entries.3F here] that even a missing chapter does not make something a variant. So some of the different translations having different titles shouldn't. Thinking with my fingers - would adding another editor (e.g. I.O. Evans) be sufficient (as a change in author) be sufficient, but editorial changes (e.g. entomologist vs. Entomologist) not? Would mean some cleaning up - adding to title and pub notes and merging plus updating the wiki, but that would be good. The slippery slope is situations where known editors made minor edits vs abridgements. Where to draw the line. Even if it meant reading and comparing texts, what is the measure? I've pinged Annie [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Anniemod#A_clockwork_Verne here] and the result is essentially the scope of the edit is the determinant and that is subject to the editor's discretion. The solution is lots of notes.<br />
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===Publications===<br />
'''First Editions'''<br />
*<strike>The first French appearances are done. Most were in non-genre magazines so have simply been identified in the notes (in a pretty much standard format). </strike><br />
**Seems that the Societe Jules Verne published [https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.societejulesverne.org/&prev=search original manuscripts] that had been modified by Michel. These are nicely catalogued at [https://copac.jisc.ac.uk/id/20987459?style=html&title=Le%20secret%20de%20Wilhelm%20Storitz(version%20originale) COPAC] although most seem to be at Oxford University. These need to be entered to allow the translations to be entered.<br />
**There is a [http://www.najvs.org/palikseries.shtml Palik series] published by the North American Jules Verne Society. Details on web site may provide [http://www.najvs.org/palikTranslators.shtml translators]. ISFDB has a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1897 series] as well. <br />
**I have an image listing books published by ''Le Cherche midi''. No time yet to pursue finding out more information. See UofM066 IMG_3082.JPG.<br />
*<strike>First French publication in book format. These are done, although only as far as the current ''Voyage Extraordinaires'' identified.</strike><br />
*May want to revisit the first French publications (generally Hetzel's magazine, but not necessarily) to see if they should be entered. Biggest drawback in my mind is the 24+ parts that would be generated. Is there an acceptable alternative - e.g. using the bound editions for parts or skipping part numbers - maybe using a (serialized) suffix instead of )Part i of n)? Notes could track issues. Using pages might work but would mean including the same content multiple times. That's why this is a note and not something I'm actively pursuing. <br />
*<strike>First English publications - for each translation. Would like to get these as verified copies. Unsure about source and credit for other editions. Preference for Web sources as they are public domain. </strike><br />
**<strike>There is the problem of alternate titles for the same translation. For now deal with them if they're intertwined somehow, otherwise leave them until I get to Other Publications. They get entered separately. Move on, nothing to see here.</strike> <br />
*There are two magazine publications of Mysterious Island using first translation - ''St. James Magazine'' and ''Scribner’s Monthly Magazine''. I may not be able to find copies of original, but should still enter them against the translation.<br />
**Scribner's on Hathi Trust - starting [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31175000247729&seq=730 vol. 7, no. 6 page 722] thru [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31175024615331&seq=11 vol. 8], [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31822027279736&seq=7 vol. 9], [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31822019431709&seq=9 vol. 10] to [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31822027279678&seq=7 vol. 11], the last of which has part III condensed. <br />
**St. James and Empire Review - ?? thru [https://archive.org/details/stjamessmagazine1318unse/page/n3/mode/2up?q=mysterious vol. 13] and beyond.<br />
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'''Other Publications'''<br />
*All the copies for which I can provide verification. These are:<br />
**<strike>My personal copies.</strike> Recorded in my spreadsheet for now.<br />
**<strike>Miscellaneous copies, including CHBM. (Physical copies) This is ongoing. Recorded in my spreadsheet for now.</strike><br />
**<strike>Winnipeg Public Library. (Physical copies) Recorded in my spreadsheet for now.</strike><br />
**<strike>University of Winnipeg. (Physical copies). Need to follow up on Parkes volume splitting and a couple points highlighted in yellow.</strike><br />
**<strike>University of Manitoba. (Physical copies and member access copies)</strike><br />
**<strike>CHBM. </strike><br />
**<strike>Miscellaneously sourced images</strike><br />
**Downloaded copies.<br />
**Gutenberg editions - All currently recorded editions have had their source included where possible. There are additional editions that have not yet been entered. <br />
*Copies for which I cannot provide verification. These include:<br />
**Online copies (available for view, not download). Sources and indexes to be developed (currently somewhat ad hoc).<br />
***[http://ufdc.ufl.edu/verne/results/brief/2/?t=,,jules+verne,&f=ZZ,+TI,+AU,+TO University of Florida].<br />
***[http://solo.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/primo_library/libweb/action/search.do?mode=Advanced&ct=AdvancedSearch& Bodleian Library] at University of Oxford.<br />
**Online indexes - where no scanned copy is available. E.g. BnF.<br />
***[https://fantlab.ru/work7203 Fantlab (Russian)] sometimes has relevant page images. <br />
**Specific oddities<br />
***[https://openlibrary.org/books/OL3948365M/The_mysterious_island The Mysterious Island] and [https://isbn.nu/9780679642367 here] - first edition of Stump translation.<br />
***[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?317204 The Steam House] in two volumes under 1 publication. Reminds me of the 10/15 volumes of Vincent Parke. <br />
***Is the Seaside Library considered a magazine by all entries, making the contents SERIALS - even if they are complete in an issue. The Help documentation talks about how to treat full novels in a single issue, check it again. [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Use_of_the_SERIAL_type Use of the SERIAL type], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?53010 Seaside SERIES]. <br />
**Enlisting others assistance at other libraries - e.g. Vasha at Cornell. <br />
*Additional information for existing or to support new entries<br />
**Web sites (have a list in Firefox Bookmarks).<br />
**[https://books.google.ca/books?id=A5E4AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA411&lpg=PA411&dq=jules+verne+doctor+ox+experiment+seaside+munro&source=bl&ots=Pvh55rxXeo&sig=ACfU3U2KMRvsygLGTYnzfeLPjVCtOqqMcw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjh-uv14ZDoAhXUUs0KHXhYCm4Q6AEwAHoECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=jules%20verne%20doctor%20ox%20experiment%20seaside%20munro&f=false Catalogue of Books] for sale in 1885.<br />
**[https://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&tbm=bks&q=editions:OsUL3AY6w5wC&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjZ25OLppHoAhUQc98KHRKGD6EQmBYILTAA&biw=1326&bih=800&dpr=1 Publisher's Weekly] in Google Books. Or better yet the source [http://fig.lib.harvard.edu/fig/?bib=000140466 Harvard College] has most issues in order.<br />
**[http://www.librarything.com/work/351702/book/83295133 LibraryThing] (example is Michael Strogoff in (presumably) Dutch.<br />
**[https://www.europeana.eu/en/search?page=1&qf=PROVIDER%3A%22The%20European%20Library%22&qf=TYPE%3A%22TEXT%22&query=jules%20verne&view=grid www.euopeana.eu] has about 300 publications in many languages, generally full text.<br />
**[https://dimenovels.org/ Dime Novels] refers to many publisher series that included Jules Verne books (search by author).<br />
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===Clean-up tasks===<br />
*Check that all of the publications are under right translation, including the unknown text ones. <br />
**Make a list of unknown translations with primary non-transient verifiers, and those with unknown text. Track verifiers and be able to re-sort list and generate text for each verifier with links to publications/titles. <br />
*There are all those other languages too. <br />
*<strike>Create translation wiki pages and update the title notes to point to them. There is some question as to how to refer to the pages - see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Ahasuerus#.7BBREAK.7D_and_ISFDB_Wiki this] note on Ahasuerus's page on BREAK vs. Wiki. </strike><br />
*<strike>Yiddish translations awaiting confirmation of which are which.</strike><br />
*1911 Vincent collection - when dust settles on multi-volume approach deal with <strike>National Alumni series and possibly </strike>other Parkes editions.<br />
**<strike>Looks like an interesting approach [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?642455 here] - include the volume number in the title.</strike><br />
*Check the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?140 Wildside] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?27907 Freedonia] editions particularly, others generally to see if they are reprints of novels with only one translation - as they are unlikely to produce their own.<br />
*Phare du bout du monde is not yet split into the original vs. modified. May be part of a different clean-up. Also Les naufragés du Jonathan. And Volcan d'or.<br />
*William Storitz does not have the first French editions entered (with variant to Michel Verne edition. Is there a republication of the original? Answer - must be - there's a title (Schulman translatino) to be teased out.<br />
*''Voyage à travers l'impossible'' is listed as a novel, but should be a short fiction as it is a play and unlikely to be NOVEL length.<br />
*First editions were usually in-18, which is a size, not a format (i.e. HC vs. SC). These formats are generally listed as 'unknown'. This is because they were often sold either unbound or bound for different prices. Need to check the source/veracity of this claim and figure out whether to change / duplicate the existing entries. Linguist is one good place, but PWendt seems to know a lot about the period publication world.<br />
*The first translation of ''The Mysterious Island'' on gilead seems to be wrong - not matching the copy of St James magazine referenced in the TITLE record. Should check out the other editions and figure out what's going on.<br />
*There are publishers split between known and unknown translations that could logically be migrated to the same known. Best wait until verified copies dealt with first.<br />
*[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?707016 Godfrey Morgan] publication has date for original, but is the 192x edition, x=1 for archive.org source and x=3 for julesverne.ca. Need to create first printing and re-date this pub. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 12:59, 20 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
*[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?578685 This] pub of Cesar Cascabel is published by Sampson Low, but uses the French title record, making it French. User inactive for years.<br />
*The publisher for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?758306 this] edition of Hier et Demain isn't likely to be Hetzel - check the images again.<br />
*Is the Seaside Library a magazine or publisher series. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Dirk_P_Broer#Can_you_explain_... this] conversation for background and then check that it has been consistent.<br />
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===[[Jules Verne Translations]] Wiki===<br />
*<strike>Go through the wiki and reset the spacing of the box line terminators ( |- ) to be with the set and not set off by a blank line.</strike><br />
*Go through the wiki and standardize a) edits (see Begum and Hatteras for alternate approaches) b) sort order of titles within a translation c) order of translations. Based on what the documentation says. ''Un capitaine de quinze ans'' had an odd approach. As does ''Vingt mille lieues sous les mers'' for dealing with abridged editions of known translations. <br />
*<strike>Add a bit of explanation to the multiple book sections regarding the French titles and how they relate.</strike><br />
*Serializations in the Wiki - do you put all of them (a la Fur Country) or only the first? Most are two part, but there is a 14-part in Headstrong Turk. What does the wiki documentation say? Think about the serializations where I link to the first part. Is there a better place to link? Do I include all parts? Should I specify how many parts? Is the point to have a complete list of the title links to match to? What about listing (Part n) and linking all of them and making the title link the magazine?<br />
*Maitre du monde has a note in the Cranston translation about earlier magazine publications. Create the pubs to generate titles so this can be handled properly.<br />
*Mathias Sandorf Hungarian edition refers to an earlier one with reference to OCLC, which should be entered. Either on its own or when scraping the OCLC.<br />
*Une ville flottante has Sampson publications under both known and unknown translations. Latter also has Fredonia so maybe deal with it then?<br />
*Find a way to extract data from backup and compare to see what's gotten out of synch.<br />
===[[Jules Verne Series]] Wiki===<br />
*First draft (based on post with Linguist).<br />
*Bring to the Forum's attention.<br />
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===Translation Wiki===<br />
Set up a new page with '''Requirements''' for translations. May want to set up sections for solutions and discussions. Solutions should be a) existing environment and b) future environment. Make sure requirements are hard-numbered to allow reference back to them. <br />
*Be sure to distinguish between requirements and solutions and keep them separate. <br />
*Translators (multiple, known and unknown) vs. editors vs. abridgers (as well as the whole question of when is a translation an abridgement).<br />
*Translations (used to distinguish). How much? May need to refer to particular passages or structure (e.g. number of chapters). <br />
*Does it need an explicit list of things that regular rules cover (e.g. case)? E.g. Multi-lingual publications.<br />
*Multi-part on either side, or both with different numbers?<br />
*How much of a difference makes it a different title? What about edits to existing translations (rather than new translations). <br />
*Distinguishing anonymous translators (two different translations of a text). Is ''Anonymous'' a single individual? <br />
*Handling of publications where text is unavailable or unexamined.<br />
*When lengths change due translations / abridgements, the original length holds over according to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#How_to_deal_with_parent.2Fvariant_titles_of_different_length this] discussion. Worth noting.<br />
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===Illustrations===<br />
One edition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?658008 ''Autour de la Lune''] details each illustration as it has a title (in French). <br />
*Where I have copies, would I consider adding them to those editions. <br />
*How about the English ones? <br />
*What about building up a (private) image gallery in the process to facilitate this or simply to compare so proper credit can be given? Is there such a thing already?<br />
**Thought I'd seen something around. Check [http://jv.gilead.org.il/rpaul/ gilead].<br />
*How do you date interior illustrations - by first appearance under a title? Need to check, that's been my assumption (incorporating the translation as well).<br />
*Consider updating the notes for the generic INTERIOR ART titles to list the known titles. Cross-referencing individual entries back to the general would be nice but time consuming. And don't forget the translation factor.<br />
*Linguist has entered the engraver for some books (e.g. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?476224 De la Terre à la Lune / Autour de la Lune]). He lists them separately from the artist(s), but shouldn't they be by artist AND engraver combined rather than separate? Will have to take up with Linguist. Definitely before any massive clean-up.<br />
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===Web pages and Tags===<br />
There is a tag for Internet Archive on some Verne titles. They point to publications. This seems wrong as there may be multiple and no way to distinguish them, just as there is no way to document the content of a web page or reason for pointing to one.<br />
* move them to the appropriate publication.<br />
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=== Abridgements ===<br />
*Abridgements: Are these variants of the original? Could they be variants of translations (e.g. Hardwick vs. Lindbrooke)?<br />
**Abridgements are separate entities. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Abridgements this discussion]. Will need to flag in notes that they are abridgements and link to original - preferably in a standard way. Maybe a tag or standard way of using an existing tag. Need to check.<br />
* An opinion: abridgements that don't claim to be so (either directly or through shared authorship) may stay as translations, otherwise make them abridgements. <br />
* As a reference point in documenting: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?335532 Wizard of Oz] example for anonymous abridgements.<br />
* Particular title(s) to note: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2389528 Da Terra à Lua], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2304873 Die Erfindung des Verderbens], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?609257 Off on a Comet], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1755207 Journey to the Center of the Earth], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?288612 Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea] vs my submission regarding varianting. <br />
* See the line in Series regarding abridgements.<br />
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===Other Points===<br />
*Single entry for multiple volumes or separate. For example The Mysterious Island by Sampson Low is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?438085 here], but the Scribner spans [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?698568 this] (different series), [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?699144 this] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?699138 this]. Leave it for now and deal with all of the at once. <br />
*Catalogue of first Hetzel covers/editions. ''Bibliographie Analytique de Toutes les Oeuvres de Jules Verne: I'' by '''Piero Gondollo della Riva'''. Copy available for view at Stanford, available for inter-library load at UofM via student (not alumni).<br />
*There is an external id for '''BnF''' to be populated as I go. No template for '''Gallica''' but I should use a standard approach. So far it's been (modifying link):<br />
<nowiki><li>scanned copy at <a href="https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8600252z">Gallica</a> at BnF.</nowiki> <br />
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*I raised a question about the difference between Omnibus and Collection (regarding Une ville flottante) [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk/archives/archive_30#Collection_vs._Omnibus here].<br />
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*Some of the publications (Fitzroy?) that were entered were discussed on the talk page for [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:P-Brane#The_Lighthouse_at_the_End_of_the_World P-Brane], since departed.<br />
**Will ping Ahaseurus then close this up. <br />
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*Some scanned images have catalogues. These can be used to date (source unknown) and to price various editions. Or even to generate editions.<br />
**[https://archive.org/details/dicksandorcaptai00vern/page/n7 Seaside Library]<br />
**[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b2838727;view=1up;seq=11 Seaside Pocket Library] and [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b2838727;view=1up;seq=11;size=125 here].<br />
**spreadsheet has documented links to Gallica, which would make it easier to scan their contents. May want to wait until a catalogue of everything in Gallia (Bodleian, Internet archive, Hathi, Google books, etc) has been made to avoid redundancy. <br />
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*Should check OCLC - firstly for what is referenced against it and secondly for what it has that ISFDB doesn't.<br />
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*Different coloured covers should each be a separate publication. [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#A_different_multiple_COVERART_question Community Portal question].<br />
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*Several people have done a fair bit of work on Verne - RTrace and Vornoff come to mind. Should cross-reference what and when and maybe get in touch with them.<br />
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*Discussion of several Jules Verne points [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard/Archive_10#Need_help_with_omnibus_vs._novel_submission here].<br />
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*'''Hunt and seek'''<br />
**Stanké published the first public French originals for some posthumous edits by Michel Verne. I have La Chasse au météore covered. I could probably find them. Of course there's the private editions for the true firsts. Mentioned in Verniana, I think.<br />
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*The Ward Lock [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?941511 Journey in(to) the Interior of the Earth] is inconsistent - I think they should all be '''into'''. E.g. the Gutenberg edition is title in, but the content is into in the text.<br />
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===Follow up===<br />
*Question to Chavey regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Chavey#Les_Indes_noires_image Les Indes noires] image used. No reply expected until summer 2019.<br />
*Did I enter all the Icelandic text for translations?<br />
*<strike>Once Rtrace replies to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace#Munro.27s_Seaside_Library this] query, change Seaside Library bedsheets to quartos.</strike>He says not to. While I disagree I'm not ready to make and present arguments.<br />
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=== Full Text ===<br />
IF I got a good scanner, I '''might''' consider scanning copies of the various translations - or even originals. <br />
*Would need a list of translations possible and check off which I have (including format and where). <br />
*I've most of the Hetzel editions in PDF and they do allow a save to text. (Note - global change ''space''^p to ''space'', then a bit of line order, de-hyphenated words and paragraphing to do).<br />
**Save to text doesn't always work - maybe not on large documents (e.g. full issues). <br />
**There are online options but that's a hell of a lot of uploading.<br />
**Consider: PDFelement (Free trial), SuperGeek Free Document OCR [https://www.ocrfree.net/], Investintech (limited trial) seem to be downloadable and free. <br />
*Not sure what you get out of Gutenberg - may want to check that first. I now have all the texts from Gutenberg. <br />
*I think purpose is to compare versions for differences - would that affect how to store it (paging, chapters, headers/footers, title) and how to compare them? Or would it be more visually laid out?<br />
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==Upcoming Project==<br />
Library verifications <br />
*[[Holmesd/Slavic Collection | Slavic Collection]]<br />
[[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1785845 Beowulf]] - nothing earlier than 1815, one Italian translation, rest are English. It's in the Icelandic collection.<br />
*Icelandic collection. Spreadsheet tracks translations into Icelandic as to whether to scan or not. Pure Icelandic not dealt with yet.<br />
National Libraries<br />
* Organize them as a list as a model. Descriptions for name, searching, languages, help. Unique identifiers? (Do we care?) Linking to them? Templates? (OCLC membership?) Are these a table?<br />
* Expand the list to other countries (e.g. Canada). Add two/three known ones (BL, Bodleian, COPAC, French)<br />
* Search them for my 'completist' lists (Verne, Asimov). Add them to the wiki Bibiliography. <br />
* Arrange for a place to list them on the wiki. The Bibliography?<br />
*Go through them for 'old' searches like Asimov and Verne. <br />
==National Libraries==<br />
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{| border="1" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" style="background-color: FFFFD0; "<br />
! rowspan="1" style="background-color: #f5f5f5;" | Country/Language<br />
! rowspan="1" style="background-color: #f5f5f5;" | Library/Catalogue<br />
! rowspan="1" style="background-color: #f5f5f5;" | External ID<br />
! rowspan="1" style="background-color: #f5f5f5;" | Notes Reference<br />
|-<br />
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|| Argentina || [https://catalogo.bn.gov.ar Biblioteca Nacional "Mariano Moreno"] || || <br />
|-<br />
|| Australia || [https://catalogue.nla.gov.au/ National Library of Australia] || || <nowiki>{{NLA|6978328}}</nowiki><br />
|-<br />
|| Belgium || [https://www.kbr.be/nl/collecties/belgische-bibliografie/ De Belgische Bibliografie] || KBR: Numeric part of the address bar (URL) || <nowiki>{{KBR|15789982}}</nowiki><br />
|-<br />
|| Bulgaria || [http://www.sfbg.us/ Catalog of sff books published in Bulgaria] || SFBG: The ID is embedded in the address bar - everything after /book/. ||<br />
|-<br />
|| Bulgaria || [https://biblioman.chitanka.info/ Библиоман (Biblioman)] || Biblioman: Appears to the right of "Книги / № "at the top of the page. Also the numeric part of the address bar (URL). || <nowiki>{{Biblioman|6076}}</nowiki><br />
|-<br />
|| France || [https://catalogue.bnf.fr/index.do Bibliothèque nationale de France] || BNF || <nowiki>{{BnF|cb317942828}}</nowiki><br />
|-<br />
|| France || [https://gallica.bnf.fr/services/engine/search/advancedSearch/ Gallica] || ||<br />
|-<br />
|| Germany || [https://portal.dnb.de/opac.htm Deutsche Nationalbibliothek] || DNB: The ID in the DNB site. Contains numbers and x/X. || <nowiki>{{DNB|1076016375}}</nowiki><br />
|-<br />
|| Great Britain || [http://explore.bl.uk/primo_library/libweb/action/search.do?vid=BLVU1 British Library] || BL: Look for the "system number" part of the "Identifier" line. Alternatively, get it from the UIN number by removing the leading "BLL01". At this time all BL numbers start with 0. || <nowiki>{{BL|011388149}}</nowiki><br />
|-<br />
|| Great Britain || [http://search.bl.uk/primo_library/libweb/action/search.do?vid=BLBNB British National Bibliography] || BNB: Look for the "BNB" entry on the "Identifier" line. Do not use numbers starting with BLL. Even though they can find the book, these are BL numbers (see above how to strip them for find the BL number) || <nowiki>{{BNB|011585872}}</nowiki><br />
|-<br />
|| Great Britain || [https://solo.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/primo-explore/search?vid=SOLO&mode=advanced Bodleian Library (Oxford) - SOLO] || || <br />
|-<br />
|| Iran || [http://www.nlai.ir/en National Library of Iran] || ||<br />
|-<br />
|| Israel || [https://merhav.nli.org.il/primo-explore/search?vid=NLI&lang=en_US&mode=advanced The National Library of Israel: Merhav] || ||<br />
|-<br />
|| Italy || [http://www.bncrm.librari.beniculturali.it Biblioteca Nazionale Centrale di Roma] || ||<br />
|-<br />
|| Italy || [http://www.bncf.firenze.sbn.it Biblioteca Nazionale Centrale di Firenze] || ||<br />
|-<br />
|| Japan || [https://iss.ndl.go.jp National Diet Library] || NDL || <nowiki>{{NDL|027806225}}</nowiki><br />
|-<br />
|| Japan || [http://www.ndl.go.jp/en/data/data_service/jnb/index.html Japanese National Bibliography] || JNB/JNPO: The name of the field in the library page is "National Bibliography No.(JPNO)". Usually contains only numbers || <nowiki>{{JNB|22859001}}</nowiki><br />
|-<br />
|| Mexico || [https://catalogo.iib.unam.mx Catálogo de la Biblioteca y Heeroteca Nacionales de México.] || ||<br />
|-<br />
|| Netherlands || [http://picarta.pica.nl/DB=3.9/ De Nederlandse Bibliografie] || PPN: Look for the "Perma" button/link at the bottom of any publication-specific Web page and take the PPN number part || <nowiki>{{PPN|854168982}}</nowiki><br />
|-<br />
|| Norway || [https://www.nb.no Nasjonalbiblioteket] || ||<br />
|-<br />
|| Portugal || [http://porbase.bnportugal.gov.pt/ipac20/ipac.jsp?profile=porbase Biblioteca Nacional de Portugal] || PORBASE: Look for "Link persistente deste registo", take the numeric part in the pop up window || <nowiki>{{PORBASE|727408}}</nowiki><br />
|-<br />
|| Spain || [https://tercerafundacion.net/ La Tercera Fundación] || LTF: Record the numbers only; we need the publication IDs and not the title ones (the URLs should contain "ver/libro/" and not "ver/ficha/" before the ID. If you are looking at the ficha one, click on the exact edition. || <nowiki>{{LTF-pub|50465}}</nowiki><br />
|-<br />
|| South Korea || [https://www.nl.go.kr/NL/contents/N10100000000.do National Library of Korea] || || <br />
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|| Sweden || [http://libris.kb.se National Library of Sweden] Old system || Libris || <nowiki>{{Libris|7745025}}</nowiki><br />
|-<br />
|| Sweden || [https://libris.kb.se/katalogisering/about National Library of Sweden] || Libris XL: An alphanumeric identifier using lowercase letters e.g. 4mfbn91g2dzt9tw. Can be found in the url after /katalogisering/ or above the title to the right. || <nowiki>{{Libris-XL|5ngcpb2h0p6rx5p}}</nowiki><br />
|-<br />
|| Serbia || [https://plus.sr.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search Cobiss] || COBISS.SR || <nowiki>{{COBISS.SR|21623559}}</nowiki><br />
|-<br />
|| Bulgaria || [https://plus.bg.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search Cobiss] || COBISS.BG || <nowiki>{{COBISS.BG|1042352100}}</nowiki><br />
|-<br />
|| Slovenia || [https://plus.si.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search Cobiss] || ||<br />
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|| Montenegro || [https://plus.cg.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search Cobiss] || ||<br />
|-<br />
|| North Macedonia || [https://plus.mk.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search Cobiss] || ||<br />
|-<br />
|| Albania || [https://plus.al.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search Cobiss] || ||<br />
|-<br />
|| Bosnia || [https://plus.bh.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search Cobiss] || ||<br />
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|| Herzegovina || [https://plus.rs.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search Cobiss] || ||<br />
|-<br />
|| Kosovo || [https://plus.ks.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search Cobiss] || ||<br />
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|}<br />
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== Banner Art ==<br />
Some ideas -<br />
: Linguist: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1023 Fleuve Noir Anticipation] publication series. It's books, not magazines. <br />
* I have pulled a selection of covers into a folder. 2023-03-05. <br />
: 1920's: <strike>Adventure</strike>, All-Story Weekly, Ghost Stories, Science and Invention<br />
: Wikipedia: New Worlds, Tales of Wonder, Doctor Who, Marvel Science Stories/Fiction, Captain Future, Startling Stories, Planet Stories, Fantastic Adventures, Imagination<br />
: Ahasuerus: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?11390 ''Captain Future''], have ''Startling Stories'', but we don't have its sister publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?18571 ''Thrilling Wonder Stories'']. <br />
* Done - Argosy, Magasin d'éducation et de récréation, SF-Magazine.<br />
<br />
== My new goals: ==<br />
*[http://www.penguinfirsteditions.com/ Penguin Penguin] reference site of first editions useful for covers and dates.<br />
*Fanzine with books received - [https://fanac.org/fanzines/Foundation/foundation_9_nicholls_1975-11.pdf Foundation] - had about the only internet reference to an obscure ISBN that I found the book for. Might be worth checking out the list, or other copies. <br />
*New project on wiki (once cleaned up a bit?). Volunteering to visit local libraries to verify copies identified with OCLC numbers. Step one might be determining if automated queries to OCLC can be done. To limit, need a list of pubs, query locations progressively and maintain just the list of unique sites for volunteers to view. OCLC has location data buried in the MAP IT button (lat/long). Could pull location data for each unique location (or pull it based on a key). <br />
**On a related note - check out Books in Print catalogs for publishers, prices etc. [https://archive.org/search.php? query=%28bowker%29%20AND%20title%3A%28books%20in%20print%29%20AND%20mediatype%3A%28texts%29 archive.org] query by title and publisher (Bowker), [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Search/Home?type%5B%5D=all&lookfor%5B%5D=bowker&bool%5B%5D=AND&type%5B%5D=title&lookfor%5B%5D=books%20in%20print&page=1&pagesize=20&ft=ft Hathi] and [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015067268329&view=1up&seq=10&skin=2021 Hathi] don't forget these British ones. <br />
*Develop a collection of data for an Ace dating process. Have already put out a call for an expression of interest. Some random thoughts:<br />
:*Ads are the biggest data point. Also consider addresses, prices and images. The ad contents may also have clues. <br />
:*over 7,000 un-seriesed publications in database. Also the mystery and western genre (may be overlap of ads?)<br />
:*about 1,000 undated pubs, but even some of the dated ones rely on external sources or are known to be inconsistent. <br />
:*Jimmie G's book has a list of some ads (ERB) but not all images. Not all ads have numbers. Not all ads are at the end. There's also the inserted page ads (e.g. cigarettes) that need to be mentioned but probably not tracked. <br />
:*Is there a period of time for which we are concerned or is it limited (e.g. no ads any more)?<br />
:*Use cases: Add info from a collection, add from a single book, find out what's missing, extract data for processing.<br />
:*There must be some discussion about this in some Talk pages. Do a search. <br />
*Describe a test suite for ISFDB functionality. <br />
*Merging maps and excerpts that are the same under a single title. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk/archives/archive_28#Series_title_for_untitled_map_instead_of_publication_title.3F this] for note about using series for title when it's the same map. And [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Titles_and_images_for_interior_art this] note for a query about images for interior art and a reference to a shared map technique. And [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#L._E._Modesitt.2C_Jr._-_Recluce_Maps for Recluce maps].<br />
*Cross-check [http://www.alandeanfoster.com/version2.0/frameset.htm Alan Dean Foster] website bibliography with ISFDB. Notably "The White Hole" reviews in SFC.<br />
*<strike>Tracking different English translations of Jules Verne works. Would be nice to identify key differences so the publications can refer to which translation they are from. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_enter_translations translation guide]. </strike><br />
*Illustrated Classic Editions - inconsistent use of publisher / entry in series / credit for adapter.<br />
*<strike>Jules Verne - mostly translations. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?78577 This] is a good model. Each credited version could have the key phrase, and would allow for different anonymous versions. </strike> Another active Vernian (PatConolly) is [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Date_field_for_Titles_whose_first_book_publication_was_in_parts here]. A discussion on translation notes is [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Entering_translator here]. The [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_enter_translations help page].<br />
*Hachette - this publisher operated under several names (See [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hachette_(publisher) Wikipedia]), but all seem to be listed under Libraire Hachette (one fixed). Should go through and check dates, look for copies (BnF?) and fix. <br />
*Consider going through the Icelandic collection at the university - besides Verne there is an H. Rider Haggard. Who knows what else, and no one at ISFDB is likely going to go after the Icelandic stuff. <br />
*Images - I've a directory of Frazetta and other images to check against the database for a) consistency in naming b) varianting c) missing links. There's also the idea of downloading all the images, matching to the database for unknown artists and using software to match my images against the unknowns. <br />
*Updating some of the help entries. Ideas - how to interpret the publication submission page (e.g. ISBN checksum error). Might even dig through code. Ha.<br />
*An index of the wiki entries. Try to cross-link based on some keywords. Track conversations that get revisited and try to document their resolution. Firstly though, check what I've been involved in and see if they reached resolution. <br />
*Maybe not ISFDB, but getting a document scanner for full text. Then get/build analysis software and scan the Happy Hollisters for fun, and the Burroughs (Tarzan), Doc Savage and other early works for analysis and for other project on source-inference tracking. <br />
*There is a rule for capitalization (however abused). Some DB queries of interest - how many different words in titles start with a lower case? (even initial words as they really never should). Not as simple as " x" because there are cases with hyphens (should be capitalized) and other punctuation (e.g. ",a" gives 6, one French, 3 capitalized and two and's). Which also leads to the idea of standardized punctuation - should there always be a space after a comma? after a colon or semi-colon? How much punctuation is there in titles? How to differentiate periods from dots/decimals (e.g. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2019059 Zombie 2.0]) and acronyms ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?810361 Trouble with G.O.D.]) and inconsistencies - <br />
*A Series of Series - does this have lists of book titles? Does ISFDB have any/many of them? Are they complete? <br />
*The WorldCat OCLC includes lists of libraries that hold publications. Could we use the Verification Forum to identify either people/locations willing to go look up books or lists of sites of interest. Would probably start with a survey of the number of OCLC verified publications with no PVs. See [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk/archives/archive_34#Unverified_OCLC Help] query.<br />
*If I haven't had enough of digging for old publications see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?108430 this] for a link to Edgar Allan Poe.<br />
A big project I'd like to see started is a database of fictional names. I see it as serving the same role as the cast listing in IMDB.com, allowing links, lists and searches. ISFDB seems to provide an ideal reference point for sources. It would give me motivation to re-read all those books I've decided to keep.<br />
*[https://bookscans.com/ bookscans.com] has lots of cover scans organized by publisher for the 40's to 60's (70's?). Publication codes too. No titles, need to scan visually. Several possible projects here. Have dealt with my verified publication covers (spreadsheet in Covers folder). A future project is to correlate images to editions in ISFDB, for example I noticed four other covers for Airmont SF8 (James Blish, Duplicated Man) besides mine. Checking against ISFDB could be done by a similar search, although without verifications (We have all of these). Advanced publication search with publisher and Image URL not containing slash (/).<br />
** Done: Ace to Bantam, plus DAW.<br />
<br />
== My completed goals: ==<br />
*Actually reading a lot of my books and probably getting rid of them. More of a state than goal since it never ends, so moving to completed. (31 March, 2018)<br />
*Work my way through the books I expect to retain. My collection of primary verifications is growing. (19 October 2014)<br />
**Update - I've got all my own library entered and I'm managing to keep it relatively current, in spite of the books I keep picking up from my volunteer position with an organization that sells books. <br />
<br />
*Finish entering a number of magazines and fanzines I picked up but won't be keeping.<br />
**Update - done. (May 2017)<br />
<br />
*Getting at my Edgar Rice Burroughs collection. <br />
**Started. I've been in touch with someone publishing something (book maybe?) with all of the Ace and Burroughs variations. (July 2017) <br />
**Been through the books I own, annotating my list. Next I'll synch up the ISFDB and figure out what's a verification vs. updated vs. new pub. (Dec 2017)<br />
**Starting to verify what I own that has already been entered. (Jan 2018)<br />
**Next step is to add what is missing. (March 2018)<br />
**Clean up phase - based on notes of differences. (May 2018) <br />
**Book is, as yet, unpublished and may come back to this if/when it is. (June 2018)<br />
**Now that I have the Goodwin reference on US Burroughs books, should fill in the gaps in the ISFDB entries. (Sep 2021)<br />
*Match up the images from the fantasy art cards to covers. Lots of varianting.<br />
**Update - done. (May 2018)<br />
<br />
*Jules Verne clean-up of translations.<br />
**Entered all of my known and available publications.<br />
**Entered all first editions of original French and English translations.<br />
**Documented translations in a wiki page and included reference to it in the TITLE notes. <br />
**There are lots of tasks generated by looking at these translations which I'll keep under Jules Verne, but I think the translation clean-up can be considered done. (June 2020).<br />
<br />
== Things to track: ==<br />
<br />
=== Jules Verne breadcrumbs ===<br />
*[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Gzuckier#20.2C000_Leagues_Under_the_Sea_and_Other_Classic_Novels Gzuckier] Looking for actual text. Nope.<br />
*[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Bluesman#Five_Weeks_in_a_Balloon_.2F_Around_the_World_in_Eighty_Days Bluesman] Looking for permission to re-parent Dent second printing.<br />
*[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Chavey#Works_of_Jules_Verne_.2815_volumes.29 Chavey] Works of Jules Verne notice of intent and request for schedule of updates.<br />
<br />
=== Talk pages where I've left questions:===<br />
Don Erickson<br />
*[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Don_Erikson#Tarzan_and_the_Madman Tarzan and the Madman] - fix cover artist.<br />
Nimravus<br />
*[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Nimravus#UK_Pricing_on_Burroughs UK Pricing on Burroughs] - a request for whether a sticker was used or not. - Was a sticker, update notes once N. approves.<br />
Help desk<br />
*Discussion of multiple part first editions is [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Date_field_for_Titles_whose_first_book_publication_was_in_parts here].<br />
PatConolly<br />
*[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:PatConolly#Re:_Titles_whose_first_book_publication_was_in_parts Jules Verne] - pointer to Help desk discussion on handling multi-part titles. Response was made, but retaining this note as a reminder in case I need to check on a verficiation.<br />
<br />
==Useful links:==<br />
<br />
[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup.cgi?1 Clean up report] - notably ''Series with Numbering Gaps'', ''Series Names That May Need Disambiguation'' and I'm not sure what the problem is with the Wiki Cleanup reports.<br />
<br />
[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy Rules of Acquisition]<br />
<br />
[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub NewPub] rules.<br />
<br />
[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Using_Templates_and_HTML_in_Note_Fields Templates and HTML] usage in notes fields.<br />
<br />
[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Language_help Language Help] and [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Talk:Title_Regularization Title Regularization].<br />
<br />
[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Linking_templates Linking templates] for use in the wiki.<br />
<br />
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73rd on list of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/topcontrib.cgi Top Contributor's] as of Feb 3rd, 2017 with 2361.<br />
:72nd as of Jul 1, 2017 with 2524.<br />
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Holmesd
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:Holmesd&diff=677758
User:Holmesd
2024-01-13T20:26:32Z
<p>Holmesd: /* My new goals: */</p>
<hr />
<div>If you've any interest in Wrebbit puzzles or Canadian postal First Day Covers our paths should cross here or elsewhere.<br />
<br />
==TASKS==<br />
*Add Japanese Fairy Tales<br />
*Have added Ace addresses based on Jimmie's book. Need to correlate to books, and establish dates. <br />
**Consider search of Henderson style directories, and trademark searches (based on address, did 1120 Avenue of the America).<br />
*Tarzan and the "Foreign Legion" vs Foreign Legion - need to check physical copies.<br />
*Tarzan's Quest was added. Put in picture and move verification (per [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Nimravus#Tarzan.27s_Quest Nimravus conversation])<br />
*<strike>Check out accent in my copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?486277 Seven Altars of Dusarra]. </strike> <br />
*<strike>Tarzan's Quest and next 3 have cover artist errors + Castaways(?) </strike><br />
*<strike>Title merge cover art for Tarzan and the Castaways. and the Lost Adventure.</strike><br />
*check Canadian(?) libraries for books of interest and see if they will send images of cover(s)/title page/copyright page.<br />
*[https://www.oclc.org/bibformats/en/introduction.html MARC record formats]?<br />
*To check at the library<br />
**[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Is_Braille_a_font_or_separate_letter_system.3F braille] books at Millenium? None of interest.<br />
<br />
=='''Conversations'''==<br />
[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#SERIALs_and_.28Part_i_of_n.29 Numbering SERIALs] - impacts a few current entries, and Magasin d'Education et de Recreation - both volume-d and individual entries. See also [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Linguist#M.C3.A9moires_de_l.27Acad.C3.A9mie_des_Sciences.2C_des_Lettres_et_des_Arts_d.27Amiens this] conversation with Linguist. Results would have no part ranges. Still working on whether Chapter XX would work instead of Part i of n. Note this allows re-use of titles from the actual Magasin to the bound volumes (doubly/triply so if you include brochés vs bound editions). <br />
<br />
[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Which_is_the_canonical.3F Canonical] conversation regarding a Journalist in 2989, which has English translated to French and back to English with variable authorship. Not covered, but implicit in this is how many revisions make a story different enough to warrant its own title. <br />
<br />
Changes to Voyages Extraordinaire series to publisher series. Started [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Linguist#Verne.27s_series Jules Verne series] topic with Linguist to hash out my questions and suggested approach.<br />
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==Ongoing Project (Isaac Asimov - non-genre)==<br />
===Tracking===<br />
*OCLC identified Publication Series with multiple Asimov books - check all books included. Check other authors (e.g. Ben Bova). <br />
**Saggi Zanichelli - Italian, 3 Asimov<br />
**Collana di storia della scienza - Italian, 2 Asimov<br />
**Asimov sensyū - Japanese, 31 Asimov<br />
**Franklin Book Program Collection - Persian, unknown<br />
**V mire nauki i techniki - Russian - 2 Asimov<br />
**Nauchno-populi︠a︡rnai︠a︡ biblioteka - Russian 16 Asimov<br />
**New Library of the Universe (spreadsheet tab)<br />
**Braille books. Fantastic Fiction had a cover image. [https://www.amazon.com/How-Did-Find-About-Coal/dp/1569561141#detailBullets_feature_div Amazon] mentions publisher William a Thomas Braille, (e.g. ISBN 1569561141) and there is an online [http://www.braillebookstore.com/ bookstore] and [https://www.google.ca/books/edition/The_Time_Machine/gQI9PgAACAAJ?hl=en Google Books] reference (H.G. Wells).<br />
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===General Notes===<br />
*An editor [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Pdw1966#Answer identified] a source of non-genre [https://asimov.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Books_by_Isaac_Asimov Asimov titles] and a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Asimov.27s_non-fiction request for help] when out. I stuck my nose in. This is an attempt to organize that effort.<br />
*I've a tracking spreadsheet with all the titles, publishers and dates and links to any ISFDB titles (have not matched at the pub level), so I can notify them when I change existing titles from genre to non-genre. <br />
*The first try going depth first was time-consuming, multiple editions, title merging and waits. Plan became breadth-first.<br />
*Moderator suggested that unsupported entries en masse were not the best approach.<br />
*Back to depth first, title by title, with a supporting spreadsheet to track sources and generate (most) text for notes. Checklist for searching being refined.<br />
*Reference links are embedded in the spreadsheet, getting to be too many to track here. Links incorporate titles where relevant.<br />
*Given the organization around going through these books, I thought I might check to see how well his genre work is covered by these sources. I may be tired of this by then.<br />
*There is a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Sources_of_Bibliographic_Information#Author-specific_sites section] of the Bibliographic help for authors that has no Asimov sites. Should consider adding the helpful ones to it.<br />
*Built a program to scan OCLC for an author/title combo and pull all results into a text file, easily imported into Excel. Have done all of the Asimov titles (except alternate titles).<br />
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==Ongoing Project (Wiki)==<br />
[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?108 Series Talk Wiki pages not linked to Series records] (1)<br />
*Talk'ed to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Anniemod#The_Anarchist Annie].<br />
*On the hook to create the magazine and enter 'an issue'. <br />
[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?107 Series Wiki pages not linked to Series records] (6)<br />
*Clean up and repurposing of [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Bibliographic_Projects Bibliographic Projects] page for things like the Asimov request.<br />
===Wiki Cleanup reports===<br />
:*Maybe structure around [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup.cgi Cleanup] page (scroll down to Wiki for now, direct links for each one as I tackle them). <br />
===Wiki cross-ref===<br />
There are explanations of processes, how things work and history buried in a number of User Talk pages. May want to consider chasing some of these down before updating or creating help content.<br />
* another example is work-arounds. Should check out the [https://sourceforge.net/projects/isfdb/ Feature requests] etc. under Tickets. (current and past?) Might need to link to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Development Development] pages for historical stuff.<br />
* have a copy of source code in case I want to check for messages, connections, etc.<br />
* For content (and reference / tracking) there is the page, the source for the page, the Talk page and the history to worry about. <br />
* Would like to be able to read, annotate and chase links (in document and in annotations) easily. Options are Access, Word (and comment/hyperlink), PDF (annotation/hyperlink?), cloning to my own wiki structure (on my PC or within ISFDB). I may want to create a replacement set of pages if I go beyond critiquing into revising / adding - where would they go?<br />
* [[Help:What is the Wiki and How is it Used]] is a local explanation of wikis.<br />
*Examples:<br />
:*[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Setting_up_a_separate_Talk_page_for_PV_change_notifications Talk page of PV change notifications].<br />
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===Wiki re-org===<br />
:*Very big and worthy of breaking down into parts. I've started a survey while deciding what to do about Verne (cleaning up existing points / adding encyclopedia contents). <br />
:* For order to review - overall main menu based structure (for organization) and then Help for details. <br />
:*A couple of bullets - an introductory explanation of site/terms, dead sections of wiki (Publication:, bibliographic projects), making Help consistent (e.g. Policy has exclusions in the Included section), better menu/catalogue/linking structure? <br />
:*There is no description of 'how' things work as opposed to the current how to work things. Think (and document?) about tracking use cases as I go through the HELP sections.<br />
:*Once the rules and procedures are clearly articulated, look into how one could test them.<br />
:*A different focus for some help / tutorial would be sample title/copyright pages to illustrate points.<br />
:*Does the help cover [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Chris_J#Juvenile_chapbooks this] rule for Juvenile chapbooks? Will I need to go through all the User Talks to find these tips?<br />
:*Contemplating a (new) glossary of words, terms, concepts, actions. It would be interesting to see what ''paths'' lead to the explanations for concepts. May also need pairing of concepts, such as editing, viewing, defining, finding to go with things like publisher, publication, etc.<br />
:*I believe the proper term for what we call 'copyright page' is 'title page verso'.<br />
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===Wiki Help augmentation===<br />
Alluded to in several points above (and below). Seems that Bill Longley started this and got this far: Projects\ISFDB\Wiki Review\using-the-isfdb-internet-speculative-fiction-database.pdf<br />
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==Ongoing Project (Publishers)==<br />
[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Publishers_Project Publishers Project]<br />
*What has already been talked about? Have the Verified Publishers project, but lots of conversations scattered about. Part of cleaning up the site wiki?<br />
*resource to add: [https://archive.org/details/americanliterary0046unse American Literary Publishing Houses 1900-1980: Trade and Paperback] at archive.org. Earlier volumes or other parts of series may give different locations / times. No sign of volumes for private publishing houses as preface suggests. Access to full set available through university account?<br />
:Bibliography has:<br />
:*Blumenthal, Joseph, ''The Printed Book in America''. Boston: David R. Godine, 1977.<br />
:*Bonn, Thomas L. ''Undercover: An Illustrated History of American Mass Market Paperbacks''. Harmondsworth, U.K. & New York: Penguin, 1982<br />
:*Crider, Allen Billy. ''Mass Market Publishing in America''. Boston: G. K. Hall, 1982.<br />
:*Davis, Kenneth C. ''Two-Bit Culture: The Paperbacking of America''. Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 1984<br />
:*Gross, Gerald, ed. ''Publishers on Publishing''. New York: Bowker, 1961; New York: Grosset & Dunlap, 1961<br />
:*Kurian, George Thomas. ''The Directory of American Book Publishing from Founding Fathers to Today's Conglomerates''. New York: Simon & Schuster, 1975.<br />
:*Lehmann-Haupt, Hellmut, Lawrence C. Wroth, and Rollo G. Silver. ''The Book in America: A History of the Making and Selling of Books in the United States''. 2nd ed. New York: Bowker, 1951.<br />
:*Madison, Charles A. ''Book Publishing in America''. New York: McGraw-Hill, 1966.<br />
:*Reginald, R. and M. R. Burgess. ''Cumulative Paperback Index 1939-1959''. Detroit: Gale Research, 1973.<br />
:*Schick, Frank L. ''The Paperbound Book in America; The History of Paperbacks and Their European Background''. New York: Bowker, 1958. ([https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015011731331 Hathi Trust]).<br />
:*Tanselle, G. Thomas. ''Guide to the Study of United States Imprints''. 2 vols. Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 1971. (Elizabeth Dafoe Library Reference Z 1215 A2 T35 1971)<br />
:*Tebbel, John. ''A History of Book Publishing in the United States''. 4 vols. New York: Bowker, 1972-1981. (Reference Collection (Library Use Only) Z 473 T42 vols 1-3)<br />
:*Tebbel. ''Paperback Books: a Pocket History''. New York: Pocket Books, 1964.<br />
:*University of Illinois Library School. ''Brief Studies of General Book Publishing Firms of the United States''. Urbana: University of Illinois, 1931.<br />
:*Walters, Ray. ''Paperback Talk''. Chicago: Academy Chicago Publishers, 1985. ([https://archive.org/details/paperbacktalk00walt archive.org])<br />
* how do imprints get registered? Trademark registry has some (e.g. Ace A), sounds like they could just be business names, registered at a state level. Found one by searching on address/owner name.<br />
* What is a publisher? Is Permabound a publisher if they re-bind? ISFDB records show HC as format for (original) publisher who only did PB.<br />
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==Ongoing Project (Jules Verne)==<br />
'''How many are non-genre as marked and in fact? Do I pursue all the clean-up?''' Is there too much to retain the non-genre? Check the rule.<br />
*Have posed question on Community Portal, no response yet. Could knock on doors of primary PVers who are still active. Think about the query.<br />
===Series===<br />
*Voyages Extraordinaires<br />
**The series is by Hetzel (then Hachette when they bought them out). This might be a publisher series. A quick scan of some early English editions bears this out. So what makes a series a series? <br />
**<strike>The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?4077 Voyages extraordinaires] series is based on Wikipedia - not date order. Once cleaned up and original French novels are entered and it becomes clearer, reset this.</strike> Making it a publisher series.<br />
**There was an earlier [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard/Archive_10#Need_help_with_omnibus_vs._novel_submission discussion] regarding both multiple titles and series. Probably the origin of the 'problem'. <br />
**Later conversation with [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Ahasuerus/Archive/2019#Note_on_author_page_for_Jules_Verne Ahasuerus ] dealt with history and conclusion that publication series is best and raised the problem of multiple series in a book. <br />
**Initial question posted on Help Forum as [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Series:_Voyage_Extraordinaires Series: Voyage Extraordinaires] (Oct 12, 2018). Not much response, have pinged Linquist (Oct 20, 2018). <br />
**[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Linguist/Archive8#Verne.27s_Voyages_Extraordinaires Linguist response] makes a point regarding Hachette.<br />
***Good response. Some considerations are: making sub-series; Collection Hetzel; Libraire Hachette; Biblioteque d'Education et de Recreation. What kind of series are these, and which ones should we track. Note that "Collection Hetzel" covers books by other authors, e.g. [https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=https://www.noosfere.org/livres/editeur.asp%3Fnumediteur%3D2078944448&prev=search H. Rider Haggard]. <br />
***Another consideration - if we can't yet have multiple series, couldn't we track the desirability with a Template? To be raised in Community Portal.<br />
***Looks like a template for additional series.<br />
**There were difficulties encountered in modifying Series (e.g. Marvel) that led to some heated discussion. Best to let this cool, check the situation and post intentions before proceeding.<br />
**There are existing publication series for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?280 Voyages extraordinaires], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?5414 Collection des Voyages extraordinaires] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?3686 Collection Hetzel]. And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?3086 ''Bibliothèque d'éducation et de récréation ''].<br />
**Start tracking the data - need a list of titles and pubs and check the French editions to see which have which series - [Les] Voyages Extraordinaires and Collection Hetzel. Year may be significant. Will also need to crosscheck entries to include this. <br />
***The collected Bibliotheques don't seem to have any series, but an ad in vols 61-62 claims many titles are in the series, right back to the first. This could be (interpreted as) a reference to the series of books rather than titles. <br />
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*Title Series<br />
**Several of the separate series (e.g. Barsac) are just one book done in parts. <strike>These should be merged back into the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?4077 Voyages extraordinaires] series.</strike> Still need to be looked at.<br />
**Two series are problematic - they are sequels to books by others. Which takes precedence? I'd like them under Verne, but there is a title note, whereas the other series wouldn't exist without the Verne sequel.<br />
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*FItzroy editions<br />
**Fitzroy editions should be recorded as a publisher's series per [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Ahasuerus#Note_on_author_page_for_Jules_Verne this] conversation with Ahasuerus. Then the notes on the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Author:I._O._Evans I. O. Evans] author page can be removed.<br />
**So far I've a list of the 63 titles in a spreadsheet. Columns to track what's in ISFDB and it's not a lot (20%). Ace editions complete, the 6 Panther editions completely missing (referenced [http://www.verniana.org/volumes/04/HTML/IOEvans.html here] to give titles and search criteria). From the sound of it, most of these should be new translations (or abridgements / bastardizations). So would likely need to see copies of most of these to be sure. <br />
**All titles entered, a couple of odd bits to follow up on (e.g. Jules Verne (in error), no French original for Cynthia). <strike>Still need to variant generated titles to French originals. </strike>. Many missing from wiki. Should do a clean-up run. <br />
**I've run across I. O. Evans "Jules Verne, Master of Science Fiction" a couple of times. Has some of his translations of short stories. Check it out.<br />
**There's a couple of his short stories with first pubs in magazines by Mercury Press that predate the Fitzroy. Mistaken attribution of translation or real? Possibly from the "JV, M of SF" above (hence the look)? Based on ISFDB entry for this book, no short stories, just excerpts. <br />
**<strike>The encyclopedia seems to have pretty specific information regarding dates, publisher and prices. Also states whether it is his translation and/or abridgement and sometime the source. Might be worth going through and recording on the spreadsheet. Done. </strike><br />
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*Other publisher series<br />
**There are a number of 'unknown' books published in ''Manuscrit nantais'', including ''L'oncle Robinson''. Might be worth backfilling these as well. Best description is [http://www.julesverne.ca/vernebooks/jules-verne_manuscrits-nantais.html www.julesverne.ca]. Also check out [http://www.julesverne.ca/vernebooks/jvbkoncle.html this] list of titles and FRBNF35487581 and FRBNF37656501 at BNF.<br />
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*Abridgements<br />
**There is a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?55074 sub-series] for abridgements and excerpts of a title (in a larger series - Captain Nemo). Once Voyages Extraodinaires is a publicatoin series, would this approach be useful for abridgements in general?<br />
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===Titles===<br />
'''Cleaning up'''<br />
*Deal with the title notes for Omnibuses and Collections.<br />
*Anniemod makes a point [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#A_Clockwork_Orange_-_should_this_have_two_title.2Fvariant_entries.3F here] that even a missing chapter does not make something a variant. So some of the different translations having different titles shouldn't. Thinking with my fingers - would adding another editor (e.g. I.O. Evans) be sufficient (as a change in author) be sufficient, but editorial changes (e.g. entomologist vs. Entomologist) not? Would mean some cleaning up - adding to title and pub notes and merging plus updating the wiki, but that would be good. The slippery slope is situations where known editors made minor edits vs abridgements. Where to draw the line. Even if it meant reading and comparing texts, what is the measure? I've pinged Annie [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Anniemod#A_clockwork_Verne here] and the result is essentially the scope of the edit is the determinant and that is subject to the editor's discretion. The solution is lots of notes.<br />
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===Publications===<br />
'''First Editions'''<br />
*<strike>The first French appearances are done. Most were in non-genre magazines so have simply been identified in the notes (in a pretty much standard format). </strike><br />
**Seems that the Societe Jules Verne published [https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.societejulesverne.org/&prev=search original manuscripts] that had been modified by Michel. These are nicely catalogued at [https://copac.jisc.ac.uk/id/20987459?style=html&title=Le%20secret%20de%20Wilhelm%20Storitz(version%20originale) COPAC] although most seem to be at Oxford University. These need to be entered to allow the translations to be entered.<br />
**There is a [http://www.najvs.org/palikseries.shtml Palik series] published by the North American Jules Verne Society. Details on web site may provide [http://www.najvs.org/palikTranslators.shtml translators]. ISFDB has a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1897 series] as well. <br />
**I have an image listing books published by ''Le Cherche midi''. No time yet to pursue finding out more information. See UofM066 IMG_3082.JPG.<br />
*<strike>First French publication in book format. These are done, although only as far as the current ''Voyage Extraordinaires'' identified.</strike><br />
*May want to revisit the first French publications (generally Hetzel's magazine, but not necessarily) to see if they should be entered. Biggest drawback in my mind is the 24+ parts that would be generated. Is there an acceptable alternative - e.g. using the bound editions for parts or skipping part numbers - maybe using a (serialized) suffix instead of )Part i of n)? Notes could track issues. Using pages might work but would mean including the same content multiple times. That's why this is a note and not something I'm actively pursuing. <br />
*<strike>First English publications - for each translation. Would like to get these as verified copies. Unsure about source and credit for other editions. Preference for Web sources as they are public domain. </strike><br />
**<strike>There is the problem of alternate titles for the same translation. For now deal with them if they're intertwined somehow, otherwise leave them until I get to Other Publications. They get entered separately. Move on, nothing to see here.</strike> <br />
*There are two magazine publications of Mysterious Island using first translation - ''St. James Magazine'' and ''Scribner’s Monthly Magazine''. I may not be able to find copies of original, but should still enter them against the translation. <br />
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'''Other Publications'''<br />
*All the copies for which I can provide verification. These are:<br />
**<strike>My personal copies.</strike> Recorded in my spreadsheet for now.<br />
**<strike>Miscellaneous copies, including CHBM. (Physical copies) This is ongoing. Recorded in my spreadsheet for now.</strike><br />
**<strike>Winnipeg Public Library. (Physical copies) Recorded in my spreadsheet for now.</strike><br />
**<strike>University of Winnipeg. (Physical copies). Need to follow up on Parkes volume splitting and a couple points highlighted in yellow.</strike><br />
**<strike>University of Manitoba. (Physical copies and member access copies)</strike><br />
**<strike>CHBM. </strike><br />
**<strike>Miscellaneously sourced images</strike><br />
**Downloaded copies.<br />
**Gutenberg editions - All currently recorded editions have had their source included where possible. There are additional editions that have not yet been entered. <br />
*Copies for which I cannot provide verification. These include:<br />
**Online copies (available for view, not download). Sources and indexes to be developed (currently somewhat ad hoc).<br />
***[http://ufdc.ufl.edu/verne/results/brief/2/?t=,,jules+verne,&f=ZZ,+TI,+AU,+TO University of Florida].<br />
***[http://solo.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/primo_library/libweb/action/search.do?mode=Advanced&ct=AdvancedSearch& Bodleian Library] at University of Oxford.<br />
**Online indexes - where no scanned copy is available. E.g. BnF.<br />
***[https://fantlab.ru/work7203 Fantlab (Russian)] sometimes has relevant page images. <br />
**Specific oddities<br />
***[https://openlibrary.org/books/OL3948365M/The_mysterious_island The Mysterious Island] and [https://isbn.nu/9780679642367 here] - first edition of Stump translation.<br />
***[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?317204 The Steam House] in two volumes under 1 publication. Reminds me of the 10/15 volumes of Vincent Parke. <br />
***Is the Seaside Library considered a magazine by all entries, making the contents SERIALS - even if they are complete in an issue. The Help documentation talks about how to treat full novels in a single issue, check it again. [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Use_of_the_SERIAL_type Use of the SERIAL type], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?53010 Seaside SERIES]. <br />
**Enlisting others assistance at other libraries - e.g. Vasha at Cornell. <br />
*Additional information for existing or to support new entries<br />
**Web sites (have a list in Firefox Bookmarks).<br />
**[https://books.google.ca/books?id=A5E4AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA411&lpg=PA411&dq=jules+verne+doctor+ox+experiment+seaside+munro&source=bl&ots=Pvh55rxXeo&sig=ACfU3U2KMRvsygLGTYnzfeLPjVCtOqqMcw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjh-uv14ZDoAhXUUs0KHXhYCm4Q6AEwAHoECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=jules%20verne%20doctor%20ox%20experiment%20seaside%20munro&f=false Catalogue of Books] for sale in 1885.<br />
**[https://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&tbm=bks&q=editions:OsUL3AY6w5wC&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjZ25OLppHoAhUQc98KHRKGD6EQmBYILTAA&biw=1326&bih=800&dpr=1 Publisher's Weekly] in Google Books. Or better yet the source [http://fig.lib.harvard.edu/fig/?bib=000140466 Harvard College] has most issues in order.<br />
**[http://www.librarything.com/work/351702/book/83295133 LibraryThing] (example is Michael Strogoff in (presumably) Dutch.<br />
**[https://www.europeana.eu/en/search?page=1&qf=PROVIDER%3A%22The%20European%20Library%22&qf=TYPE%3A%22TEXT%22&query=jules%20verne&view=grid www.euopeana.eu] has about 300 publications in many languages, generally full text.<br />
**[https://dimenovels.org/ Dime Novels] refers to many publisher series that included Jules Verne books (search by author).<br />
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===Clean-up tasks===<br />
*Check that all of the publications are under right translation, including the unknown text ones. <br />
**Make a list of unknown translations with primary non-transient verifiers, and those with unknown text. Track verifiers and be able to re-sort list and generate text for each verifier with links to publications/titles. <br />
*There are all those other languages too. <br />
*<strike>Create translation wiki pages and update the title notes to point to them. There is some question as to how to refer to the pages - see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Ahasuerus#.7BBREAK.7D_and_ISFDB_Wiki this] note on Ahasuerus's page on BREAK vs. Wiki. </strike><br />
*<strike>Yiddish translations awaiting confirmation of which are which.</strike><br />
*1911 Vincent collection - when dust settles on multi-volume approach deal with <strike>National Alumni series and possibly </strike>other Parkes editions.<br />
**<strike>Looks like an interesting approach [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?642455 here] - include the volume number in the title.</strike><br />
*Check the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?140 Wildside] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?27907 Freedonia] editions particularly, others generally to see if they are reprints of novels with only one translation - as they are unlikely to produce their own.<br />
*Phare du bout du monde is not yet split into the original vs. modified. May be part of a different clean-up. Also Les naufragés du Jonathan. And Volcan d'or.<br />
*William Storitz does not have the first French editions entered (with variant to Michel Verne edition. Is there a republication of the original? Answer - must be - there's a title (Schulman translatino) to be teased out.<br />
*''Voyage à travers l'impossible'' is listed as a novel, but should be a short fiction as it is a play and unlikely to be NOVEL length.<br />
*First editions were usually in-18, which is a size, not a format (i.e. HC vs. SC). These formats are generally listed as 'unknown'. This is because they were often sold either unbound or bound for different prices. Need to check the source/veracity of this claim and figure out whether to change / duplicate the existing entries. Linguist is one good place, but PWendt seems to know a lot about the period publication world.<br />
*The first translation of ''The Mysterious Island'' on gilead seems to be wrong - not matching the copy of St James magazine referenced in the TITLE record. Should check out the other editions and figure out what's going on.<br />
*There are publishers split between known and unknown translations that could logically be migrated to the same known. Best wait until verified copies dealt with first.<br />
*[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?707016 Godfrey Morgan] publication has date for original, but is the 192x edition, x=1 for archive.org source and x=3 for julesverne.ca. Need to create first printing and re-date this pub. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 12:59, 20 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
*[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?578685 This] pub of Cesar Cascabel is published by Sampson Low, but uses the French title record, making it French. User inactive for years.<br />
*The publisher for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?758306 this] edition of Hier et Demain isn't likely to be Hetzel - check the images again.<br />
*Is the Seaside Library a magazine or publisher series. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Dirk_P_Broer#Can_you_explain_... this] conversation for background and then check that it has been consistent.<br />
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===[[Jules Verne Translations]] Wiki===<br />
*<strike>Go through the wiki and reset the spacing of the box line terminators ( |- ) to be with the set and not set off by a blank line.</strike><br />
*Go through the wiki and standardize a) edits (see Begum and Hatteras for alternate approaches) b) sort order of titles within a translation c) order of translations. Based on what the documentation says. ''Un capitaine de quinze ans'' had an odd approach. As does ''Vingt mille lieues sous les mers'' for dealing with abridged editions of known translations. <br />
*<strike>Add a bit of explanation to the multiple book sections regarding the French titles and how they relate.</strike><br />
*Serializations in the Wiki - do you put all of them (a la Fur Country) or only the first? Most are two part, but there is a 14-part in Headstrong Turk. What does the wiki documentation say? Think about the serializations where I link to the first part. Is there a better place to link? Do I include all parts? Should I specify how many parts? Is the point to have a complete list of the title links to match to? What about listing (Part n) and linking all of them and making the title link the magazine?<br />
*Maitre du monde has a note in the Cranston translation about earlier magazine publications. Create the pubs to generate titles so this can be handled properly.<br />
*Mathias Sandorf Hungarian edition refers to an earlier one with reference to OCLC, which should be entered. Either on its own or when scraping the OCLC.<br />
*Une ville flottante has Sampson publications under both known and unknown translations. Latter also has Fredonia so maybe deal with it then?<br />
*Find a way to extract data from backup and compare to see what's gotten out of synch.<br />
===[[Jules Verne Series]] Wiki===<br />
*First draft (based on post with Linguist).<br />
*Bring to the Forum's attention.<br />
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===Translation Wiki===<br />
Set up a new page with '''Requirements''' for translations. May want to set up sections for solutions and discussions. Solutions should be a) existing environment and b) future environment. Make sure requirements are hard-numbered to allow reference back to them. <br />
*Be sure to distinguish between requirements and solutions and keep them separate. <br />
*Translators (multiple, known and unknown) vs. editors vs. abridgers (as well as the whole question of when is a translation an abridgement).<br />
*Translations (used to distinguish). How much? May need to refer to particular passages or structure (e.g. number of chapters). <br />
*Does it need an explicit list of things that regular rules cover (e.g. case)? E.g. Multi-lingual publications.<br />
*Multi-part on either side, or both with different numbers?<br />
*How much of a difference makes it a different title? What about edits to existing translations (rather than new translations). <br />
*Distinguishing anonymous translators (two different translations of a text). Is ''Anonymous'' a single individual? <br />
*Handling of publications where text is unavailable or unexamined.<br />
*When lengths change due translations / abridgements, the original length holds over according to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#How_to_deal_with_parent.2Fvariant_titles_of_different_length this] discussion. Worth noting.<br />
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===Illustrations===<br />
One edition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?658008 ''Autour de la Lune''] details each illustration as it has a title (in French). <br />
*Where I have copies, would I consider adding them to those editions. <br />
*How about the English ones? <br />
*What about building up a (private) image gallery in the process to facilitate this or simply to compare so proper credit can be given? Is there such a thing already?<br />
**Thought I'd seen something around. Check [http://jv.gilead.org.il/rpaul/ gilead].<br />
*How do you date interior illustrations - by first appearance under a title? Need to check, that's been my assumption (incorporating the translation as well).<br />
*Consider updating the notes for the generic INTERIOR ART titles to list the known titles. Cross-referencing individual entries back to the general would be nice but time consuming. And don't forget the translation factor.<br />
*Linguist has entered the engraver for some books (e.g. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?476224 De la Terre à la Lune / Autour de la Lune]). He lists them separately from the artist(s), but shouldn't they be by artist AND engraver combined rather than separate? Will have to take up with Linguist. Definitely before any massive clean-up.<br />
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===Web pages and Tags===<br />
There is a tag for Internet Archive on some Verne titles. They point to publications. This seems wrong as there may be multiple and no way to distinguish them, just as there is no way to document the content of a web page or reason for pointing to one.<br />
* move them to the appropriate publication.<br />
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=== Abridgements ===<br />
*Abridgements: Are these variants of the original? Could they be variants of translations (e.g. Hardwick vs. Lindbrooke)?<br />
**Abridgements are separate entities. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Abridgements this discussion]. Will need to flag in notes that they are abridgements and link to original - preferably in a standard way. Maybe a tag or standard way of using an existing tag. Need to check.<br />
* An opinion: abridgements that don't claim to be so (either directly or through shared authorship) may stay as translations, otherwise make them abridgements. <br />
* As a reference point in documenting: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?335532 Wizard of Oz] example for anonymous abridgements.<br />
* Particular title(s) to note: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2389528 Da Terra à Lua], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2304873 Die Erfindung des Verderbens], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?609257 Off on a Comet], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1755207 Journey to the Center of the Earth], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?288612 Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea] vs my submission regarding varianting. <br />
* See the line in Series regarding abridgements.<br />
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===Other Points===<br />
*Single entry for multiple volumes or separate. For example The Mysterious Island by Sampson Low is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?438085 here], but the Scribner spans [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?698568 this] (different series), [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?699144 this] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?699138 this]. Leave it for now and deal with all of the at once. <br />
*Catalogue of first Hetzel covers/editions. ''Bibliographie Analytique de Toutes les Oeuvres de Jules Verne: I'' by '''Piero Gondollo della Riva'''. Copy available for view at Stanford, available for inter-library load at UofM via student (not alumni).<br />
*There is an external id for '''BnF''' to be populated as I go. No template for '''Gallica''' but I should use a standard approach. So far it's been (modifying link):<br />
<nowiki><li>scanned copy at <a href="https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8600252z">Gallica</a> at BnF.</nowiki> <br />
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*I raised a question about the difference between Omnibus and Collection (regarding Une ville flottante) [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk/archives/archive_30#Collection_vs._Omnibus here].<br />
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*Some of the publications (Fitzroy?) that were entered were discussed on the talk page for [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:P-Brane#The_Lighthouse_at_the_End_of_the_World P-Brane], since departed.<br />
**Will ping Ahaseurus then close this up. <br />
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*Some scanned images have catalogues. These can be used to date (source unknown) and to price various editions. Or even to generate editions.<br />
**[https://archive.org/details/dicksandorcaptai00vern/page/n7 Seaside Library]<br />
**[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b2838727;view=1up;seq=11 Seaside Pocket Library] and [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b2838727;view=1up;seq=11;size=125 here].<br />
**spreadsheet has documented links to Gallica, which would make it easier to scan their contents. May want to wait until a catalogue of everything in Gallia (Bodleian, Internet archive, Hathi, Google books, etc) has been made to avoid redundancy. <br />
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*Should check OCLC - firstly for what is referenced against it and secondly for what it has that ISFDB doesn't.<br />
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*Different coloured covers should each be a separate publication. [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#A_different_multiple_COVERART_question Community Portal question].<br />
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*Several people have done a fair bit of work on Verne - RTrace and Vornoff come to mind. Should cross-reference what and when and maybe get in touch with them.<br />
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*Discussion of several Jules Verne points [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard/Archive_10#Need_help_with_omnibus_vs._novel_submission here].<br />
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*'''Hunt and seek'''<br />
**Stanké published the first public French originals for some posthumous edits by Michel Verne. I have La Chasse au météore covered. I could probably find them. Of course there's the private editions for the true firsts. Mentioned in Verniana, I think.<br />
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*The Ward Lock [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?941511 Journey in(to) the Interior of the Earth] is inconsistent - I think they should all be '''into'''. E.g. the Gutenberg edition is title in, but the content is into in the text.<br />
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===Follow up===<br />
*Question to Chavey regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Chavey#Les_Indes_noires_image Les Indes noires] image used. No reply expected until summer 2019.<br />
*Did I enter all the Icelandic text for translations?<br />
*<strike>Once Rtrace replies to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace#Munro.27s_Seaside_Library this] query, change Seaside Library bedsheets to quartos.</strike>He says not to. While I disagree I'm not ready to make and present arguments.<br />
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=== Full Text ===<br />
IF I got a good scanner, I '''might''' consider scanning copies of the various translations - or even originals. <br />
*Would need a list of translations possible and check off which I have (including format and where). <br />
*I've most of the Hetzel editions in PDF and they do allow a save to text. (Note - global change ''space''^p to ''space'', then a bit of line order, de-hyphenated words and paragraphing to do).<br />
**Save to text doesn't always work - maybe not on large documents (e.g. full issues). <br />
**There are online options but that's a hell of a lot of uploading.<br />
**Consider: PDFelement (Free trial), SuperGeek Free Document OCR [https://www.ocrfree.net/], Investintech (limited trial) seem to be downloadable and free. <br />
*Not sure what you get out of Gutenberg - may want to check that first. I now have all the texts from Gutenberg. <br />
*I think purpose is to compare versions for differences - would that affect how to store it (paging, chapters, headers/footers, title) and how to compare them? Or would it be more visually laid out?<br />
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==Upcoming Project==<br />
Library verifications <br />
*[[Holmesd/Slavic Collection | Slavic Collection]]<br />
[[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1785845 Beowulf]] - nothing earlier than 1815, one Italian translation, rest are English. It's in the Icelandic collection.<br />
*Icelandic collection. Spreadsheet tracks translations into Icelandic as to whether to scan or not. Pure Icelandic not dealt with yet.<br />
National Libraries<br />
* Organize them as a list as a model. Descriptions for name, searching, languages, help. Unique identifiers? (Do we care?) Linking to them? Templates? (OCLC membership?) Are these a table?<br />
* Expand the list to other countries (e.g. Canada). Add two/three known ones (BL, Bodleian, COPAC, French)<br />
* Search them for my 'completist' lists (Verne, Asimov). Add them to the wiki Bibiliography. <br />
* Arrange for a place to list them on the wiki. The Bibliography?<br />
*Go through them for 'old' searches like Asimov and Verne. <br />
==National Libraries==<br />
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{| border="1" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" style="background-color: FFFFD0; "<br />
! rowspan="1" style="background-color: #f5f5f5;" | Country/Language<br />
! rowspan="1" style="background-color: #f5f5f5;" | Library/Catalogue<br />
! rowspan="1" style="background-color: #f5f5f5;" | External ID<br />
! rowspan="1" style="background-color: #f5f5f5;" | Notes Reference<br />
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|| Argentina || [https://catalogo.bn.gov.ar Biblioteca Nacional "Mariano Moreno"] || || <br />
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|| Australia || [https://catalogue.nla.gov.au/ National Library of Australia] || || <nowiki>{{NLA|6978328}}</nowiki><br />
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|| Belgium || [https://www.kbr.be/nl/collecties/belgische-bibliografie/ De Belgische Bibliografie] || KBR: Numeric part of the address bar (URL) || <nowiki>{{KBR|15789982}}</nowiki><br />
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|| Bulgaria || [http://www.sfbg.us/ Catalog of sff books published in Bulgaria] || SFBG: The ID is embedded in the address bar - everything after /book/. ||<br />
|-<br />
|| Bulgaria || [https://biblioman.chitanka.info/ Библиоман (Biblioman)] || Biblioman: Appears to the right of "Книги / № "at the top of the page. Also the numeric part of the address bar (URL). || <nowiki>{{Biblioman|6076}}</nowiki><br />
|-<br />
|| France || [https://catalogue.bnf.fr/index.do Bibliothèque nationale de France] || BNF || <nowiki>{{BnF|cb317942828}}</nowiki><br />
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|| France || [https://gallica.bnf.fr/services/engine/search/advancedSearch/ Gallica] || ||<br />
|-<br />
|| Germany || [https://portal.dnb.de/opac.htm Deutsche Nationalbibliothek] || DNB: The ID in the DNB site. Contains numbers and x/X. || <nowiki>{{DNB|1076016375}}</nowiki><br />
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|| Great Britain || [http://explore.bl.uk/primo_library/libweb/action/search.do?vid=BLVU1 British Library] || BL: Look for the "system number" part of the "Identifier" line. Alternatively, get it from the UIN number by removing the leading "BLL01". At this time all BL numbers start with 0. || <nowiki>{{BL|011388149}}</nowiki><br />
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|| Great Britain || [http://search.bl.uk/primo_library/libweb/action/search.do?vid=BLBNB British National Bibliography] || BNB: Look for the "BNB" entry on the "Identifier" line. Do not use numbers starting with BLL. Even though they can find the book, these are BL numbers (see above how to strip them for find the BL number) || <nowiki>{{BNB|011585872}}</nowiki><br />
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|| Great Britain || [https://solo.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/primo-explore/search?vid=SOLO&mode=advanced Bodleian Library (Oxford) - SOLO] || || <br />
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|| Iran || [http://www.nlai.ir/en National Library of Iran] || ||<br />
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|| Israel || [https://merhav.nli.org.il/primo-explore/search?vid=NLI&lang=en_US&mode=advanced The National Library of Israel: Merhav] || ||<br />
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|| Italy || [http://www.bncrm.librari.beniculturali.it Biblioteca Nazionale Centrale di Roma] || ||<br />
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|| Italy || [http://www.bncf.firenze.sbn.it Biblioteca Nazionale Centrale di Firenze] || ||<br />
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|| Japan || [https://iss.ndl.go.jp National Diet Library] || NDL || <nowiki>{{NDL|027806225}}</nowiki><br />
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|| Japan || [http://www.ndl.go.jp/en/data/data_service/jnb/index.html Japanese National Bibliography] || JNB/JNPO: The name of the field in the library page is "National Bibliography No.(JPNO)". Usually contains only numbers || <nowiki>{{JNB|22859001}}</nowiki><br />
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|| Mexico || [https://catalogo.iib.unam.mx Catálogo de la Biblioteca y Heeroteca Nacionales de México.] || ||<br />
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|| Netherlands || [http://picarta.pica.nl/DB=3.9/ De Nederlandse Bibliografie] || PPN: Look for the "Perma" button/link at the bottom of any publication-specific Web page and take the PPN number part || <nowiki>{{PPN|854168982}}</nowiki><br />
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|| Norway || [https://www.nb.no Nasjonalbiblioteket] || ||<br />
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|| Portugal || [http://porbase.bnportugal.gov.pt/ipac20/ipac.jsp?profile=porbase Biblioteca Nacional de Portugal] || PORBASE: Look for "Link persistente deste registo", take the numeric part in the pop up window || <nowiki>{{PORBASE|727408}}</nowiki><br />
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|| Spain || [https://tercerafundacion.net/ La Tercera Fundación] || LTF: Record the numbers only; we need the publication IDs and not the title ones (the URLs should contain "ver/libro/" and not "ver/ficha/" before the ID. If you are looking at the ficha one, click on the exact edition. || <nowiki>{{LTF-pub|50465}}</nowiki><br />
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|| South Korea || [https://www.nl.go.kr/NL/contents/N10100000000.do National Library of Korea] || || <br />
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|| Sweden || [http://libris.kb.se National Library of Sweden] Old system || Libris || <nowiki>{{Libris|7745025}}</nowiki><br />
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|| Sweden || [https://libris.kb.se/katalogisering/about National Library of Sweden] || Libris XL: An alphanumeric identifier using lowercase letters e.g. 4mfbn91g2dzt9tw. Can be found in the url after /katalogisering/ or above the title to the right. || <nowiki>{{Libris-XL|5ngcpb2h0p6rx5p}}</nowiki><br />
|-<br />
|| Serbia || [https://plus.sr.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search Cobiss] || COBISS.SR || <nowiki>{{COBISS.SR|21623559}}</nowiki><br />
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|| Bulgaria || [https://plus.bg.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search Cobiss] || COBISS.BG || <nowiki>{{COBISS.BG|1042352100}}</nowiki><br />
|-<br />
|| Slovenia || [https://plus.si.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search Cobiss] || ||<br />
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|| Montenegro || [https://plus.cg.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search Cobiss] || ||<br />
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|| North Macedonia || [https://plus.mk.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search Cobiss] || ||<br />
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|| Albania || [https://plus.al.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search Cobiss] || ||<br />
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|| Bosnia || [https://plus.bh.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search Cobiss] || ||<br />
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|| Herzegovina || [https://plus.rs.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search Cobiss] || ||<br />
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|| Kosovo || [https://plus.ks.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search Cobiss] || ||<br />
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|}<br />
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== Banner Art ==<br />
Some ideas -<br />
: Linguist: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1023 Fleuve Noir Anticipation] publication series. It's books, not magazines. <br />
* I have pulled a selection of covers into a folder. 2023-03-05. <br />
: 1920's: <strike>Adventure</strike>, All-Story Weekly, Ghost Stories, Science and Invention<br />
: Wikipedia: New Worlds, Tales of Wonder, Doctor Who, Marvel Science Stories/Fiction, Captain Future, Startling Stories, Planet Stories, Fantastic Adventures, Imagination<br />
: Ahasuerus: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?11390 ''Captain Future''], have ''Startling Stories'', but we don't have its sister publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?18571 ''Thrilling Wonder Stories'']. <br />
* Done - Argosy, Magasin d'éducation et de récréation, SF-Magazine.<br />
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== My new goals: ==<br />
*[http://www.penguinfirsteditions.com/ Penguin Penguin] reference site of first editions useful for covers and dates.<br />
*Fanzine with books received - [https://fanac.org/fanzines/Foundation/foundation_9_nicholls_1975-11.pdf Foundation] - had about the only internet reference to an obscure ISBN that I found the book for. Might be worth checking out the list, or other copies. <br />
*New project on wiki (once cleaned up a bit?). Volunteering to visit local libraries to verify copies identified with OCLC numbers. Step one might be determining if automated queries to OCLC can be done. To limit, need a list of pubs, query locations progressively and maintain just the list of unique sites for volunteers to view. OCLC has location data buried in the MAP IT button (lat/long). Could pull location data for each unique location (or pull it based on a key). <br />
**On a related note - check out Books in Print catalogs for publishers, prices etc. [https://archive.org/search.php? query=%28bowker%29%20AND%20title%3A%28books%20in%20print%29%20AND%20mediatype%3A%28texts%29 archive.org] query by title and publisher (Bowker), [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Search/Home?type%5B%5D=all&lookfor%5B%5D=bowker&bool%5B%5D=AND&type%5B%5D=title&lookfor%5B%5D=books%20in%20print&page=1&pagesize=20&ft=ft Hathi] and [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015067268329&view=1up&seq=10&skin=2021 Hathi] don't forget these British ones. <br />
*Develop a collection of data for an Ace dating process. Have already put out a call for an expression of interest. Some random thoughts:<br />
:*Ads are the biggest data point. Also consider addresses, prices and images. The ad contents may also have clues. <br />
:*over 7,000 un-seriesed publications in database. Also the mystery and western genre (may be overlap of ads?)<br />
:*about 1,000 undated pubs, but even some of the dated ones rely on external sources or are known to be inconsistent. <br />
:*Jimmie G's book has a list of some ads (ERB) but not all images. Not all ads have numbers. Not all ads are at the end. There's also the inserted page ads (e.g. cigarettes) that need to be mentioned but probably not tracked. <br />
:*Is there a period of time for which we are concerned or is it limited (e.g. no ads any more)?<br />
:*Use cases: Add info from a collection, add from a single book, find out what's missing, extract data for processing.<br />
:*There must be some discussion about this in some Talk pages. Do a search. <br />
*Describe a test suite for ISFDB functionality. <br />
*Merging maps and excerpts that are the same under a single title. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk/archives/archive_28#Series_title_for_untitled_map_instead_of_publication_title.3F this] for note about using series for title when it's the same map. And [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Titles_and_images_for_interior_art this] note for a query about images for interior art and a reference to a shared map technique. And [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#L._E._Modesitt.2C_Jr._-_Recluce_Maps for Recluce maps].<br />
*Cross-check [http://www.alandeanfoster.com/version2.0/frameset.htm Alan Dean Foster] website bibliography with ISFDB. Notably "The White Hole" reviews in SFC.<br />
*<strike>Tracking different English translations of Jules Verne works. Would be nice to identify key differences so the publications can refer to which translation they are from. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_enter_translations translation guide]. </strike><br />
*Illustrated Classic Editions - inconsistent use of publisher / entry in series / credit for adapter.<br />
*<strike>Jules Verne - mostly translations. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?78577 This] is a good model. Each credited version could have the key phrase, and would allow for different anonymous versions. </strike> Another active Vernian (PatConolly) is [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Date_field_for_Titles_whose_first_book_publication_was_in_parts here]. A discussion on translation notes is [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Entering_translator here]. The [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_enter_translations help page].<br />
*Hachette - this publisher operated under several names (See [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hachette_(publisher) Wikipedia]), but all seem to be listed under Libraire Hachette (one fixed). Should go through and check dates, look for copies (BnF?) and fix. <br />
*Consider going through the Icelandic collection at the university - besides Verne there is an H. Rider Haggard. Who knows what else, and no one at ISFDB is likely going to go after the Icelandic stuff. <br />
*Images - I've a directory of Frazetta and other images to check against the database for a) consistency in naming b) varianting c) missing links. There's also the idea of downloading all the images, matching to the database for unknown artists and using software to match my images against the unknowns. <br />
*Updating some of the help entries. Ideas - how to interpret the publication submission page (e.g. ISBN checksum error). Might even dig through code. Ha.<br />
*An index of the wiki entries. Try to cross-link based on some keywords. Track conversations that get revisited and try to document their resolution. Firstly though, check what I've been involved in and see if they reached resolution. <br />
*Maybe not ISFDB, but getting a document scanner for full text. Then get/build analysis software and scan the Happy Hollisters for fun, and the Burroughs (Tarzan), Doc Savage and other early works for analysis and for other project on source-inference tracking. <br />
*There is a rule for capitalization (however abused). Some DB queries of interest - how many different words in titles start with a lower case? (even initial words as they really never should). Not as simple as " x" because there are cases with hyphens (should be capitalized) and other punctuation (e.g. ",a" gives 6, one French, 3 capitalized and two and's). Which also leads to the idea of standardized punctuation - should there always be a space after a comma? after a colon or semi-colon? How much punctuation is there in titles? How to differentiate periods from dots/decimals (e.g. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2019059 Zombie 2.0]) and acronyms ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?810361 Trouble with G.O.D.]) and inconsistencies - <br />
*A Series of Series - does this have lists of book titles? Does ISFDB have any/many of them? Are they complete? <br />
*The WorldCat OCLC includes lists of libraries that hold publications. Could we use the Verification Forum to identify either people/locations willing to go look up books or lists of sites of interest. Would probably start with a survey of the number of OCLC verified publications with no PVs. See [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk/archives/archive_34#Unverified_OCLC Help] query.<br />
*If I haven't had enough of digging for old publications see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?108430 this] for a link to Edgar Allan Poe.<br />
A big project I'd like to see started is a database of fictional names. I see it as serving the same role as the cast listing in IMDB.com, allowing links, lists and searches. ISFDB seems to provide an ideal reference point for sources. It would give me motivation to re-read all those books I've decided to keep.<br />
*[https://bookscans.com/ bookscans.com] has lots of cover scans organized by publisher for the 40's to 60's (70's?). Publication codes too. No titles, need to scan visually. Several possible projects here. Have dealt with my verified publication covers (spreadsheet in Covers folder). A future project is to correlate images to editions in ISFDB, for example I noticed four other covers for Airmont SF8 (James Blish, Duplicated Man) besides mine. Checking against ISFDB could be done by a similar search, although without verifications (We have all of these). Advanced publication search with publisher and Image URL not containing slash (/).<br />
** Done: Ace to Bantam, plus DAW.<br />
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== My completed goals: ==<br />
*Actually reading a lot of my books and probably getting rid of them. More of a state than goal since it never ends, so moving to completed. (31 March, 2018)<br />
*Work my way through the books I expect to retain. My collection of primary verifications is growing. (19 October 2014)<br />
**Update - I've got all my own library entered and I'm managing to keep it relatively current, in spite of the books I keep picking up from my volunteer position with an organization that sells books. <br />
<br />
*Finish entering a number of magazines and fanzines I picked up but won't be keeping.<br />
**Update - done. (May 2017)<br />
<br />
*Getting at my Edgar Rice Burroughs collection. <br />
**Started. I've been in touch with someone publishing something (book maybe?) with all of the Ace and Burroughs variations. (July 2017) <br />
**Been through the books I own, annotating my list. Next I'll synch up the ISFDB and figure out what's a verification vs. updated vs. new pub. (Dec 2017)<br />
**Starting to verify what I own that has already been entered. (Jan 2018)<br />
**Next step is to add what is missing. (March 2018)<br />
**Clean up phase - based on notes of differences. (May 2018) <br />
**Book is, as yet, unpublished and may come back to this if/when it is. (June 2018)<br />
**Now that I have the Goodwin reference on US Burroughs books, should fill in the gaps in the ISFDB entries. (Sep 2021)<br />
*Match up the images from the fantasy art cards to covers. Lots of varianting.<br />
**Update - done. (May 2018)<br />
<br />
*Jules Verne clean-up of translations.<br />
**Entered all of my known and available publications.<br />
**Entered all first editions of original French and English translations.<br />
**Documented translations in a wiki page and included reference to it in the TITLE notes. <br />
**There are lots of tasks generated by looking at these translations which I'll keep under Jules Verne, but I think the translation clean-up can be considered done. (June 2020).<br />
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== Things to track: ==<br />
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=== Jules Verne breadcrumbs ===<br />
*[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Gzuckier#20.2C000_Leagues_Under_the_Sea_and_Other_Classic_Novels Gzuckier] Looking for actual text. Nope.<br />
*[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Bluesman#Five_Weeks_in_a_Balloon_.2F_Around_the_World_in_Eighty_Days Bluesman] Looking for permission to re-parent Dent second printing.<br />
*[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Chavey#Works_of_Jules_Verne_.2815_volumes.29 Chavey] Works of Jules Verne notice of intent and request for schedule of updates.<br />
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=== Talk pages where I've left questions:===<br />
Don Erickson<br />
*[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Don_Erikson#Tarzan_and_the_Madman Tarzan and the Madman] - fix cover artist.<br />
Nimravus<br />
*[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Nimravus#UK_Pricing_on_Burroughs UK Pricing on Burroughs] - a request for whether a sticker was used or not. - Was a sticker, update notes once N. approves.<br />
Help desk<br />
*Discussion of multiple part first editions is [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Date_field_for_Titles_whose_first_book_publication_was_in_parts here].<br />
PatConolly<br />
*[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:PatConolly#Re:_Titles_whose_first_book_publication_was_in_parts Jules Verne] - pointer to Help desk discussion on handling multi-part titles. Response was made, but retaining this note as a reminder in case I need to check on a verficiation.<br />
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==Useful links:==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup.cgi?1 Clean up report] - notably ''Series with Numbering Gaps'', ''Series Names That May Need Disambiguation'' and I'm not sure what the problem is with the Wiki Cleanup reports.<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy Rules of Acquisition]<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub NewPub] rules.<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Using_Templates_and_HTML_in_Note_Fields Templates and HTML] usage in notes fields.<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Language_help Language Help] and [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Talk:Title_Regularization Title Regularization].<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Linking_templates Linking templates] for use in the wiki.<br />
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73rd on list of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/topcontrib.cgi Top Contributor's] as of Feb 3rd, 2017 with 2361.<br />
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<div>If you've any interest in Wrebbit puzzles or Canadian postal First Day Covers our paths should cross here or elsewhere.<br />
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==TASKS==<br />
*Add Japanese Fairy Tales<br />
*Have added Ace addresses based on Jimmie's book. Need to correlate to books, and establish dates. <br />
**Consider search of Henderson style directories, and trademark searches (based on address, did 1120 Avenue of the America).<br />
*Tarzan and the "Foreign Legion" vs Foreign Legion - need to check physical copies.<br />
*Tarzan's Quest was added. Put in picture and move verification (per [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Nimravus#Tarzan.27s_Quest Nimravus conversation])<br />
*<strike>Check out accent in my copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?486277 Seven Altars of Dusarra]. </strike> <br />
*<strike>Tarzan's Quest and next 3 have cover artist errors + Castaways(?) </strike><br />
*<strike>Title merge cover art for Tarzan and the Castaways. and the Lost Adventure.</strike><br />
*check Canadian(?) libraries for books of interest and see if they will send images of cover(s)/title page/copyright page.<br />
*[https://www.oclc.org/bibformats/en/introduction.html MARC record formats]?<br />
*To check at the library<br />
**[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Is_Braille_a_font_or_separate_letter_system.3F braille] books at Millenium? None of interest.<br />
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=='''Conversations'''==<br />
[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#SERIALs_and_.28Part_i_of_n.29 Numbering SERIALs] - impacts a few current entries, and Magasin d'Education et de Recreation - both volume-d and individual entries. See also [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Linguist#M.C3.A9moires_de_l.27Acad.C3.A9mie_des_Sciences.2C_des_Lettres_et_des_Arts_d.27Amiens this] conversation with Linguist. Results would have no part ranges. Still working on whether Chapter XX would work instead of Part i of n. Note this allows re-use of titles from the actual Magasin to the bound volumes (doubly/triply so if you include brochés vs bound editions). <br />
<br />
[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Which_is_the_canonical.3F Canonical] conversation regarding a Journalist in 2989, which has English translated to French and back to English with variable authorship. Not covered, but implicit in this is how many revisions make a story different enough to warrant its own title. <br />
<br />
Changes to Voyages Extraordinaire series to publisher series. Started [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Linguist#Verne.27s_series Jules Verne series] topic with Linguist to hash out my questions and suggested approach.<br />
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==Ongoing Project (Isaac Asimov - non-genre)==<br />
===Tracking===<br />
*OCLC identified Publication Series with multiple Asimov books - check all books included. Check other authors (e.g. Ben Bova). <br />
**Saggi Zanichelli - Italian, 3 Asimov<br />
**Collana di storia della scienza - Italian, 2 Asimov<br />
**Asimov sensyū - Japanese, 31 Asimov<br />
**Franklin Book Program Collection - Persian, unknown<br />
**V mire nauki i techniki - Russian - 2 Asimov<br />
**Nauchno-populi︠a︡rnai︠a︡ biblioteka - Russian 16 Asimov<br />
**New Library of the Universe (spreadsheet tab)<br />
**Braille books. Fantastic Fiction had a cover image. [https://www.amazon.com/How-Did-Find-About-Coal/dp/1569561141#detailBullets_feature_div Amazon] mentions publisher William a Thomas Braille, (e.g. ISBN 1569561141) and there is an online [http://www.braillebookstore.com/ bookstore] and [https://www.google.ca/books/edition/The_Time_Machine/gQI9PgAACAAJ?hl=en Google Books] reference (H.G. Wells).<br />
<br />
===General Notes===<br />
*An editor [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Pdw1966#Answer identified] a source of non-genre [https://asimov.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Books_by_Isaac_Asimov Asimov titles] and a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Asimov.27s_non-fiction request for help] when out. I stuck my nose in. This is an attempt to organize that effort.<br />
*I've a tracking spreadsheet with all the titles, publishers and dates and links to any ISFDB titles (have not matched at the pub level), so I can notify them when I change existing titles from genre to non-genre. <br />
*The first try going depth first was time-consuming, multiple editions, title merging and waits. Plan became breadth-first.<br />
*Moderator suggested that unsupported entries en masse were not the best approach.<br />
*Back to depth first, title by title, with a supporting spreadsheet to track sources and generate (most) text for notes. Checklist for searching being refined.<br />
*Reference links are embedded in the spreadsheet, getting to be too many to track here. Links incorporate titles where relevant.<br />
*Given the organization around going through these books, I thought I might check to see how well his genre work is covered by these sources. I may be tired of this by then.<br />
*There is a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Sources_of_Bibliographic_Information#Author-specific_sites section] of the Bibliographic help for authors that has no Asimov sites. Should consider adding the helpful ones to it.<br />
*Built a program to scan OCLC for an author/title combo and pull all results into a text file, easily imported into Excel. Have done all of the Asimov titles (except alternate titles).<br />
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==Ongoing Project (Wiki)==<br />
[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?108 Series Talk Wiki pages not linked to Series records] (1)<br />
*Talk'ed to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Anniemod#The_Anarchist Annie].<br />
*On the hook to create the magazine and enter 'an issue'. <br />
[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?107 Series Wiki pages not linked to Series records] (6)<br />
*Clean up and repurposing of [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Bibliographic_Projects Bibliographic Projects] page for things like the Asimov request.<br />
===Wiki Cleanup reports===<br />
:*Maybe structure around [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup.cgi Cleanup] page (scroll down to Wiki for now, direct links for each one as I tackle them). <br />
===Wiki cross-ref===<br />
There are explanations of processes, how things work and history buried in a number of User Talk pages. May want to consider chasing some of these down before updating or creating help content.<br />
* another example is work-arounds. Should check out the [https://sourceforge.net/projects/isfdb/ Feature requests] etc. under Tickets. (current and past?) Might need to link to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Development Development] pages for historical stuff.<br />
* have a copy of source code in case I want to check for messages, connections, etc.<br />
* For content (and reference / tracking) there is the page, the source for the page, the Talk page and the history to worry about. <br />
* Would like to be able to read, annotate and chase links (in document and in annotations) easily. Options are Access, Word (and comment/hyperlink), PDF (annotation/hyperlink?), cloning to my own wiki structure (on my PC or within ISFDB). I may want to create a replacement set of pages if I go beyond critiquing into revising / adding - where would they go?<br />
* [[Help:What is the Wiki and How is it Used]] is a local explanation of wikis.<br />
*Examples:<br />
:*[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Setting_up_a_separate_Talk_page_for_PV_change_notifications Talk page of PV change notifications].<br />
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===Wiki re-org===<br />
:*Very big and worthy of breaking down into parts. I've started a survey while deciding what to do about Verne (cleaning up existing points / adding encyclopedia contents). <br />
:* For order to review - overall main menu based structure (for organization) and then Help for details. <br />
:*A couple of bullets - an introductory explanation of site/terms, dead sections of wiki (Publication:, bibliographic projects), making Help consistent (e.g. Policy has exclusions in the Included section), better menu/catalogue/linking structure? <br />
:*There is no description of 'how' things work as opposed to the current how to work things. Think (and document?) about tracking use cases as I go through the HELP sections.<br />
:*Once the rules and procedures are clearly articulated, look into how one could test them.<br />
:*A different focus for some help / tutorial would be sample title/copyright pages to illustrate points.<br />
:*Does the help cover [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Chris_J#Juvenile_chapbooks this] rule for Juvenile chapbooks? Will I need to go through all the User Talks to find these tips?<br />
:*Contemplating a (new) glossary of words, terms, concepts, actions. It would be interesting to see what ''paths'' lead to the explanations for concepts. May also need pairing of concepts, such as editing, viewing, defining, finding to go with things like publisher, publication, etc.<br />
:*I believe the proper term for what we call 'copyright page' is 'title page verso'.<br />
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===Wiki Help augmentation===<br />
Alluded to in several points above (and below). Seems that Bill Longley started this and got this far: Projects\ISFDB\Wiki Review\using-the-isfdb-internet-speculative-fiction-database.pdf<br />
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==Ongoing Project (Publishers)==<br />
[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Publishers_Project Publishers Project]<br />
*What has already been talked about? Have the Verified Publishers project, but lots of conversations scattered about. Part of cleaning up the site wiki?<br />
*resource to add: [https://archive.org/details/americanliterary0046unse American Literary Publishing Houses 1900-1980: Trade and Paperback] at archive.org. Earlier volumes or other parts of series may give different locations / times. No sign of volumes for private publishing houses as preface suggests. Access to full set available through university account?<br />
:Bibliography has:<br />
:*Blumenthal, Joseph, ''The Printed Book in America''. Boston: David R. Godine, 1977.<br />
:*Bonn, Thomas L. ''Undercover: An Illustrated History of American Mass Market Paperbacks''. Harmondsworth, U.K. & New York: Penguin, 1982<br />
:*Crider, Allen Billy. ''Mass Market Publishing in America''. Boston: G. K. Hall, 1982.<br />
:*Davis, Kenneth C. ''Two-Bit Culture: The Paperbacking of America''. Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 1984<br />
:*Gross, Gerald, ed. ''Publishers on Publishing''. New York: Bowker, 1961; New York: Grosset & Dunlap, 1961<br />
:*Kurian, George Thomas. ''The Directory of American Book Publishing from Founding Fathers to Today's Conglomerates''. New York: Simon & Schuster, 1975.<br />
:*Lehmann-Haupt, Hellmut, Lawrence C. Wroth, and Rollo G. Silver. ''The Book in America: A History of the Making and Selling of Books in the United States''. 2nd ed. New York: Bowker, 1951.<br />
:*Madison, Charles A. ''Book Publishing in America''. New York: McGraw-Hill, 1966.<br />
:*Reginald, R. and M. R. Burgess. ''Cumulative Paperback Index 1939-1959''. Detroit: Gale Research, 1973.<br />
:*Schick, Frank L. ''The Paperbound Book in America; The History of Paperbacks and Their European Background''. New York: Bowker, 1958. ([https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015011731331 Hathi Trust]).<br />
:*Tanselle, G. Thomas. ''Guide to the Study of United States Imprints''. 2 vols. Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 1971. (Elizabeth Dafoe Library Reference Z 1215 A2 T35 1971)<br />
:*Tebbel, John. ''A History of Book Publishing in the United States''. 4 vols. New York: Bowker, 1972-1981. (Reference Collection (Library Use Only) Z 473 T42 vols 1-3)<br />
:*Tebbel. ''Paperback Books: a Pocket History''. New York: Pocket Books, 1964.<br />
:*University of Illinois Library School. ''Brief Studies of General Book Publishing Firms of the United States''. Urbana: University of Illinois, 1931.<br />
:*Walters, Ray. ''Paperback Talk''. Chicago: Academy Chicago Publishers, 1985. ([https://archive.org/details/paperbacktalk00walt archive.org])<br />
* how do imprints get registered? Trademark registry has some (e.g. Ace A), sounds like they could just be business names, registered at a state level. Found one by searching on address/owner name.<br />
* What is a publisher? Is Permabound a publisher if they re-bind? ISFDB records show HC as format for (original) publisher who only did PB.<br />
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==Ongoing Project (Jules Verne)==<br />
'''How many are non-genre as marked and in fact? Do I pursue all the clean-up?''' Is there too much to retain the non-genre? Check the rule.<br />
*Have posed question on Community Portal, no response yet. Could knock on doors of primary PVers who are still active. Think about the query.<br />
===Series===<br />
*Voyages Extraordinaires<br />
**The series is by Hetzel (then Hachette when they bought them out). This might be a publisher series. A quick scan of some early English editions bears this out. So what makes a series a series? <br />
**<strike>The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?4077 Voyages extraordinaires] series is based on Wikipedia - not date order. Once cleaned up and original French novels are entered and it becomes clearer, reset this.</strike> Making it a publisher series.<br />
**There was an earlier [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard/Archive_10#Need_help_with_omnibus_vs._novel_submission discussion] regarding both multiple titles and series. Probably the origin of the 'problem'. <br />
**Later conversation with [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Ahasuerus/Archive/2019#Note_on_author_page_for_Jules_Verne Ahasuerus ] dealt with history and conclusion that publication series is best and raised the problem of multiple series in a book. <br />
**Initial question posted on Help Forum as [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Series:_Voyage_Extraordinaires Series: Voyage Extraordinaires] (Oct 12, 2018). Not much response, have pinged Linquist (Oct 20, 2018). <br />
**[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Linguist/Archive8#Verne.27s_Voyages_Extraordinaires Linguist response] makes a point regarding Hachette.<br />
***Good response. Some considerations are: making sub-series; Collection Hetzel; Libraire Hachette; Biblioteque d'Education et de Recreation. What kind of series are these, and which ones should we track. Note that "Collection Hetzel" covers books by other authors, e.g. [https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=https://www.noosfere.org/livres/editeur.asp%3Fnumediteur%3D2078944448&prev=search H. Rider Haggard]. <br />
***Another consideration - if we can't yet have multiple series, couldn't we track the desirability with a Template? To be raised in Community Portal.<br />
***Looks like a template for additional series.<br />
**There were difficulties encountered in modifying Series (e.g. Marvel) that led to some heated discussion. Best to let this cool, check the situation and post intentions before proceeding.<br />
**There are existing publication series for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?280 Voyages extraordinaires], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?5414 Collection des Voyages extraordinaires] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?3686 Collection Hetzel]. And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?3086 ''Bibliothèque d'éducation et de récréation ''].<br />
**Start tracking the data - need a list of titles and pubs and check the French editions to see which have which series - [Les] Voyages Extraordinaires and Collection Hetzel. Year may be significant. Will also need to crosscheck entries to include this. <br />
***The collected Bibliotheques don't seem to have any series, but an ad in vols 61-62 claims many titles are in the series, right back to the first. This could be (interpreted as) a reference to the series of books rather than titles. <br />
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*Title Series<br />
**Several of the separate series (e.g. Barsac) are just one book done in parts. <strike>These should be merged back into the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?4077 Voyages extraordinaires] series.</strike> Still need to be looked at.<br />
**Two series are problematic - they are sequels to books by others. Which takes precedence? I'd like them under Verne, but there is a title note, whereas the other series wouldn't exist without the Verne sequel.<br />
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*FItzroy editions<br />
**Fitzroy editions should be recorded as a publisher's series per [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Ahasuerus#Note_on_author_page_for_Jules_Verne this] conversation with Ahasuerus. Then the notes on the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Author:I._O._Evans I. O. Evans] author page can be removed.<br />
**So far I've a list of the 63 titles in a spreadsheet. Columns to track what's in ISFDB and it's not a lot (20%). Ace editions complete, the 6 Panther editions completely missing (referenced [http://www.verniana.org/volumes/04/HTML/IOEvans.html here] to give titles and search criteria). From the sound of it, most of these should be new translations (or abridgements / bastardizations). So would likely need to see copies of most of these to be sure. <br />
**All titles entered, a couple of odd bits to follow up on (e.g. Jules Verne (in error), no French original for Cynthia). <strike>Still need to variant generated titles to French originals. </strike>. Many missing from wiki. Should do a clean-up run. <br />
**I've run across I. O. Evans "Jules Verne, Master of Science Fiction" a couple of times. Has some of his translations of short stories. Check it out.<br />
**There's a couple of his short stories with first pubs in magazines by Mercury Press that predate the Fitzroy. Mistaken attribution of translation or real? Possibly from the "JV, M of SF" above (hence the look)? Based on ISFDB entry for this book, no short stories, just excerpts. <br />
**<strike>The encyclopedia seems to have pretty specific information regarding dates, publisher and prices. Also states whether it is his translation and/or abridgement and sometime the source. Might be worth going through and recording on the spreadsheet. Done. </strike><br />
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*Other publisher series<br />
**There are a number of 'unknown' books published in ''Manuscrit nantais'', including ''L'oncle Robinson''. Might be worth backfilling these as well. Best description is [http://www.julesverne.ca/vernebooks/jules-verne_manuscrits-nantais.html www.julesverne.ca]. Also check out [http://www.julesverne.ca/vernebooks/jvbkoncle.html this] list of titles and FRBNF35487581 and FRBNF37656501 at BNF.<br />
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*Abridgements<br />
**There is a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?55074 sub-series] for abridgements and excerpts of a title (in a larger series - Captain Nemo). Once Voyages Extraodinaires is a publicatoin series, would this approach be useful for abridgements in general?<br />
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===Titles===<br />
'''Cleaning up'''<br />
*Deal with the title notes for Omnibuses and Collections.<br />
*Anniemod makes a point [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#A_Clockwork_Orange_-_should_this_have_two_title.2Fvariant_entries.3F here] that even a missing chapter does not make something a variant. So some of the different translations having different titles shouldn't. Thinking with my fingers - would adding another editor (e.g. I.O. Evans) be sufficient (as a change in author) be sufficient, but editorial changes (e.g. entomologist vs. Entomologist) not? Would mean some cleaning up - adding to title and pub notes and merging plus updating the wiki, but that would be good. The slippery slope is situations where known editors made minor edits vs abridgements. Where to draw the line. Even if it meant reading and comparing texts, what is the measure? I've pinged Annie [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Anniemod#A_clockwork_Verne here] and the result is essentially the scope of the edit is the determinant and that is subject to the editor's discretion. The solution is lots of notes.<br />
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===Publications===<br />
'''First Editions'''<br />
*<strike>The first French appearances are done. Most were in non-genre magazines so have simply been identified in the notes (in a pretty much standard format). </strike><br />
**Seems that the Societe Jules Verne published [https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.societejulesverne.org/&prev=search original manuscripts] that had been modified by Michel. These are nicely catalogued at [https://copac.jisc.ac.uk/id/20987459?style=html&title=Le%20secret%20de%20Wilhelm%20Storitz(version%20originale) COPAC] although most seem to be at Oxford University. These need to be entered to allow the translations to be entered.<br />
**There is a [http://www.najvs.org/palikseries.shtml Palik series] published by the North American Jules Verne Society. Details on web site may provide [http://www.najvs.org/palikTranslators.shtml translators]. ISFDB has a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1897 series] as well. <br />
**I have an image listing books published by ''Le Cherche midi''. No time yet to pursue finding out more information. See UofM066 IMG_3082.JPG.<br />
*<strike>First French publication in book format. These are done, although only as far as the current ''Voyage Extraordinaires'' identified.</strike><br />
*May want to revisit the first French publications (generally Hetzel's magazine, but not necessarily) to see if they should be entered. Biggest drawback in my mind is the 24+ parts that would be generated. Is there an acceptable alternative - e.g. using the bound editions for parts or skipping part numbers - maybe using a (serialized) suffix instead of )Part i of n)? Notes could track issues. Using pages might work but would mean including the same content multiple times. That's why this is a note and not something I'm actively pursuing. <br />
*<strike>First English publications - for each translation. Would like to get these as verified copies. Unsure about source and credit for other editions. Preference for Web sources as they are public domain. </strike><br />
**<strike>There is the problem of alternate titles for the same translation. For now deal with them if they're intertwined somehow, otherwise leave them until I get to Other Publications. They get entered separately. Move on, nothing to see here.</strike> <br />
*There are two magazine publications of Mysterious Island using first translation - ''St. James Magazine'' and ''Scribner’s Monthly Magazine''. I may not be able to find copies of original, but should still enter them against the translation. <br />
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'''Other Publications'''<br />
*All the copies for which I can provide verification. These are:<br />
**<strike>My personal copies.</strike> Recorded in my spreadsheet for now.<br />
**<strike>Miscellaneous copies, including CHBM. (Physical copies) This is ongoing. Recorded in my spreadsheet for now.</strike><br />
**<strike>Winnipeg Public Library. (Physical copies) Recorded in my spreadsheet for now.</strike><br />
**<strike>University of Winnipeg. (Physical copies). Need to follow up on Parkes volume splitting and a couple points highlighted in yellow.</strike><br />
**<strike>University of Manitoba. (Physical copies and member access copies)</strike><br />
**<strike>CHBM. </strike><br />
**<strike>Miscellaneously sourced images</strike><br />
**Downloaded copies.<br />
**Gutenberg editions - All currently recorded editions have had their source included where possible. There are additional editions that have not yet been entered. <br />
*Copies for which I cannot provide verification. These include:<br />
**Online copies (available for view, not download). Sources and indexes to be developed (currently somewhat ad hoc).<br />
***[http://ufdc.ufl.edu/verne/results/brief/2/?t=,,jules+verne,&f=ZZ,+TI,+AU,+TO University of Florida].<br />
***[http://solo.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/primo_library/libweb/action/search.do?mode=Advanced&ct=AdvancedSearch& Bodleian Library] at University of Oxford.<br />
**Online indexes - where no scanned copy is available. E.g. BnF.<br />
***[https://fantlab.ru/work7203 Fantlab (Russian)] sometimes has relevant page images. <br />
**Specific oddities<br />
***[https://openlibrary.org/books/OL3948365M/The_mysterious_island The Mysterious Island] and [https://isbn.nu/9780679642367 here] - first edition of Stump translation.<br />
***[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?317204 The Steam House] in two volumes under 1 publication. Reminds me of the 10/15 volumes of Vincent Parke. <br />
***Is the Seaside Library considered a magazine by all entries, making the contents SERIALS - even if they are complete in an issue. The Help documentation talks about how to treat full novels in a single issue, check it again. [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Use_of_the_SERIAL_type Use of the SERIAL type], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?53010 Seaside SERIES]. <br />
**Enlisting others assistance at other libraries - e.g. Vasha at Cornell. <br />
*Additional information for existing or to support new entries<br />
**Web sites (have a list in Firefox Bookmarks).<br />
**[https://books.google.ca/books?id=A5E4AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA411&lpg=PA411&dq=jules+verne+doctor+ox+experiment+seaside+munro&source=bl&ots=Pvh55rxXeo&sig=ACfU3U2KMRvsygLGTYnzfeLPjVCtOqqMcw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjh-uv14ZDoAhXUUs0KHXhYCm4Q6AEwAHoECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=jules%20verne%20doctor%20ox%20experiment%20seaside%20munro&f=false Catalogue of Books] for sale in 1885.<br />
**[https://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&tbm=bks&q=editions:OsUL3AY6w5wC&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjZ25OLppHoAhUQc98KHRKGD6EQmBYILTAA&biw=1326&bih=800&dpr=1 Publisher's Weekly] in Google Books. Or better yet the source [http://fig.lib.harvard.edu/fig/?bib=000140466 Harvard College] has most issues in order.<br />
**[http://www.librarything.com/work/351702/book/83295133 LibraryThing] (example is Michael Strogoff in (presumably) Dutch.<br />
**[https://www.europeana.eu/en/search?page=1&qf=PROVIDER%3A%22The%20European%20Library%22&qf=TYPE%3A%22TEXT%22&query=jules%20verne&view=grid www.euopeana.eu] has about 300 publications in many languages, generally full text.<br />
**[https://dimenovels.org/ Dime Novels] refers to many publisher series that included Jules Verne books (search by author).<br />
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===Clean-up tasks===<br />
*Check that all of the publications are under right translation, including the unknown text ones. <br />
**Make a list of unknown translations with primary non-transient verifiers, and those with unknown text. Track verifiers and be able to re-sort list and generate text for each verifier with links to publications/titles. <br />
*There are all those other languages too. <br />
*<strike>Create translation wiki pages and update the title notes to point to them. There is some question as to how to refer to the pages - see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Ahasuerus#.7BBREAK.7D_and_ISFDB_Wiki this] note on Ahasuerus's page on BREAK vs. Wiki. </strike><br />
*<strike>Yiddish translations awaiting confirmation of which are which.</strike><br />
*1911 Vincent collection - when dust settles on multi-volume approach deal with <strike>National Alumni series and possibly </strike>other Parkes editions.<br />
**<strike>Looks like an interesting approach [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?642455 here] - include the volume number in the title.</strike><br />
*Check the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?140 Wildside] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?27907 Freedonia] editions particularly, others generally to see if they are reprints of novels with only one translation - as they are unlikely to produce their own.<br />
*Phare du bout du monde is not yet split into the original vs. modified. May be part of a different clean-up. Also Les naufragés du Jonathan. And Volcan d'or.<br />
*William Storitz does not have the first French editions entered (with variant to Michel Verne edition. Is there a republication of the original? Answer - must be - there's a title (Schulman translatino) to be teased out.<br />
*''Voyage à travers l'impossible'' is listed as a novel, but should be a short fiction as it is a play and unlikely to be NOVEL length.<br />
*First editions were usually in-18, which is a size, not a format (i.e. HC vs. SC). These formats are generally listed as 'unknown'. This is because they were often sold either unbound or bound for different prices. Need to check the source/veracity of this claim and figure out whether to change / duplicate the existing entries. Linguist is one good place, but PWendt seems to know a lot about the period publication world.<br />
*The first translation of ''The Mysterious Island'' on gilead seems to be wrong - not matching the copy of St James magazine referenced in the TITLE record. Should check out the other editions and figure out what's going on.<br />
*There are publishers split between known and unknown translations that could logically be migrated to the same known. Best wait until verified copies dealt with first.<br />
*[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?707016 Godfrey Morgan] publication has date for original, but is the 192x edition, x=1 for archive.org source and x=3 for julesverne.ca. Need to create first printing and re-date this pub. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 12:59, 20 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
*[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?578685 This] pub of Cesar Cascabel is published by Sampson Low, but uses the French title record, making it French. User inactive for years.<br />
*The publisher for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?758306 this] edition of Hier et Demain isn't likely to be Hetzel - check the images again.<br />
*Is the Seaside Library a magazine or publisher series. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Dirk_P_Broer#Can_you_explain_... this] conversation for background and then check that it has been consistent.<br />
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===[[Jules Verne Translations]] Wiki===<br />
*<strike>Go through the wiki and reset the spacing of the box line terminators ( |- ) to be with the set and not set off by a blank line.</strike><br />
*Go through the wiki and standardize a) edits (see Begum and Hatteras for alternate approaches) b) sort order of titles within a translation c) order of translations. Based on what the documentation says. ''Un capitaine de quinze ans'' had an odd approach. As does ''Vingt mille lieues sous les mers'' for dealing with abridged editions of known translations. <br />
*<strike>Add a bit of explanation to the multiple book sections regarding the French titles and how they relate.</strike><br />
*Serializations in the Wiki - do you put all of them (a la Fur Country) or only the first? Most are two part, but there is a 14-part in Headstrong Turk. What does the wiki documentation say? Think about the serializations where I link to the first part. Is there a better place to link? Do I include all parts? Should I specify how many parts? Is the point to have a complete list of the title links to match to? What about listing (Part n) and linking all of them and making the title link the magazine?<br />
*Maitre du monde has a note in the Cranston translation about earlier magazine publications. Create the pubs to generate titles so this can be handled properly.<br />
*Mathias Sandorf Hungarian edition refers to an earlier one with reference to OCLC, which should be entered. Either on its own or when scraping the OCLC.<br />
*Une ville flottante has Sampson publications under both known and unknown translations. Latter also has Fredonia so maybe deal with it then?<br />
*Find a way to extract data from backup and compare to see what's gotten out of synch.<br />
===[[Jules Verne Series]] Wiki===<br />
*First draft (based on post with Linguist).<br />
*Bring to the Forum's attention.<br />
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===Translation Wiki===<br />
Set up a new page with '''Requirements''' for translations. May want to set up sections for solutions and discussions. Solutions should be a) existing environment and b) future environment. Make sure requirements are hard-numbered to allow reference back to them. <br />
*Be sure to distinguish between requirements and solutions and keep them separate. <br />
*Translators (multiple, known and unknown) vs. editors vs. abridgers (as well as the whole question of when is a translation an abridgement).<br />
*Translations (used to distinguish). How much? May need to refer to particular passages or structure (e.g. number of chapters). <br />
*Does it need an explicit list of things that regular rules cover (e.g. case)? E.g. Multi-lingual publications.<br />
*Multi-part on either side, or both with different numbers?<br />
*How much of a difference makes it a different title? What about edits to existing translations (rather than new translations). <br />
*Distinguishing anonymous translators (two different translations of a text). Is ''Anonymous'' a single individual? <br />
*Handling of publications where text is unavailable or unexamined.<br />
*When lengths change due translations / abridgements, the original length holds over according to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#How_to_deal_with_parent.2Fvariant_titles_of_different_length this] discussion. Worth noting.<br />
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===Illustrations===<br />
One edition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?658008 ''Autour de la Lune''] details each illustration as it has a title (in French). <br />
*Where I have copies, would I consider adding them to those editions. <br />
*How about the English ones? <br />
*What about building up a (private) image gallery in the process to facilitate this or simply to compare so proper credit can be given? Is there such a thing already?<br />
**Thought I'd seen something around. Check [http://jv.gilead.org.il/rpaul/ gilead].<br />
*How do you date interior illustrations - by first appearance under a title? Need to check, that's been my assumption (incorporating the translation as well).<br />
*Consider updating the notes for the generic INTERIOR ART titles to list the known titles. Cross-referencing individual entries back to the general would be nice but time consuming. And don't forget the translation factor.<br />
*Linguist has entered the engraver for some books (e.g. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?476224 De la Terre à la Lune / Autour de la Lune]). He lists them separately from the artist(s), but shouldn't they be by artist AND engraver combined rather than separate? Will have to take up with Linguist. Definitely before any massive clean-up.<br />
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===Web pages and Tags===<br />
There is a tag for Internet Archive on some Verne titles. They point to publications. This seems wrong as there may be multiple and no way to distinguish them, just as there is no way to document the content of a web page or reason for pointing to one.<br />
* move them to the appropriate publication.<br />
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=== Abridgements ===<br />
*Abridgements: Are these variants of the original? Could they be variants of translations (e.g. Hardwick vs. Lindbrooke)?<br />
**Abridgements are separate entities. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Abridgements this discussion]. Will need to flag in notes that they are abridgements and link to original - preferably in a standard way. Maybe a tag or standard way of using an existing tag. Need to check.<br />
* An opinion: abridgements that don't claim to be so (either directly or through shared authorship) may stay as translations, otherwise make them abridgements. <br />
* As a reference point in documenting: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?335532 Wizard of Oz] example for anonymous abridgements.<br />
* Particular title(s) to note: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2389528 Da Terra à Lua], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2304873 Die Erfindung des Verderbens], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?609257 Off on a Comet], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1755207 Journey to the Center of the Earth], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?288612 Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea] vs my submission regarding varianting. <br />
* See the line in Series regarding abridgements.<br />
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===Other Points===<br />
*Single entry for multiple volumes or separate. For example The Mysterious Island by Sampson Low is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?438085 here], but the Scribner spans [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?698568 this] (different series), [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?699144 this] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?699138 this]. Leave it for now and deal with all of the at once. <br />
*Catalogue of first Hetzel covers/editions. ''Bibliographie Analytique de Toutes les Oeuvres de Jules Verne: I'' by '''Piero Gondollo della Riva'''. Copy available for view at Stanford, available for inter-library load at UofM via student (not alumni).<br />
*There is an external id for '''BnF''' to be populated as I go. No template for '''Gallica''' but I should use a standard approach. So far it's been (modifying link):<br />
<nowiki><li>scanned copy at <a href="https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8600252z">Gallica</a> at BnF.</nowiki> <br />
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*I raised a question about the difference between Omnibus and Collection (regarding Une ville flottante) [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk/archives/archive_30#Collection_vs._Omnibus here].<br />
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*Some of the publications (Fitzroy?) that were entered were discussed on the talk page for [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:P-Brane#The_Lighthouse_at_the_End_of_the_World P-Brane], since departed.<br />
**Will ping Ahaseurus then close this up. <br />
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*Some scanned images have catalogues. These can be used to date (source unknown) and to price various editions. Or even to generate editions.<br />
**[https://archive.org/details/dicksandorcaptai00vern/page/n7 Seaside Library]<br />
**[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b2838727;view=1up;seq=11 Seaside Pocket Library] and [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b2838727;view=1up;seq=11;size=125 here].<br />
**spreadsheet has documented links to Gallica, which would make it easier to scan their contents. May want to wait until a catalogue of everything in Gallia (Bodleian, Internet archive, Hathi, Google books, etc) has been made to avoid redundancy. <br />
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*Should check OCLC - firstly for what is referenced against it and secondly for what it has that ISFDB doesn't.<br />
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*Different coloured covers should each be a separate publication. [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#A_different_multiple_COVERART_question Community Portal question].<br />
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*Several people have done a fair bit of work on Verne - RTrace and Vornoff come to mind. Should cross-reference what and when and maybe get in touch with them.<br />
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*Discussion of several Jules Verne points [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard/Archive_10#Need_help_with_omnibus_vs._novel_submission here].<br />
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*'''Hunt and seek'''<br />
**Stanké published the first public French originals for some posthumous edits by Michel Verne. I have La Chasse au météore covered. I could probably find them. Of course there's the private editions for the true firsts. Mentioned in Verniana, I think.<br />
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*The Ward Lock [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?941511 Journey in(to) the Interior of the Earth] is inconsistent - I think they should all be '''into'''. E.g. the Gutenberg edition is title in, but the content is into in the text.<br />
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===Follow up===<br />
*Question to Chavey regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Chavey#Les_Indes_noires_image Les Indes noires] image used. No reply expected until summer 2019.<br />
*Did I enter all the Icelandic text for translations?<br />
*<strike>Once Rtrace replies to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace#Munro.27s_Seaside_Library this] query, change Seaside Library bedsheets to quartos.</strike>He says not to. While I disagree I'm not ready to make and present arguments.<br />
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=== Full Text ===<br />
IF I got a good scanner, I '''might''' consider scanning copies of the various translations - or even originals. <br />
*Would need a list of translations possible and check off which I have (including format and where). <br />
*I've most of the Hetzel editions in PDF and they do allow a save to text. (Note - global change ''space''^p to ''space'', then a bit of line order, de-hyphenated words and paragraphing to do).<br />
**Save to text doesn't always work - maybe not on large documents (e.g. full issues). <br />
**There are online options but that's a hell of a lot of uploading.<br />
**Consider: PDFelement (Free trial), SuperGeek Free Document OCR [https://www.ocrfree.net/], Investintech (limited trial) seem to be downloadable and free. <br />
*Not sure what you get out of Gutenberg - may want to check that first. I now have all the texts from Gutenberg. <br />
*I think purpose is to compare versions for differences - would that affect how to store it (paging, chapters, headers/footers, title) and how to compare them? Or would it be more visually laid out?<br />
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==Upcoming Project==<br />
Library verifications <br />
*[[Holmesd/Slavic Collection | Slavic Collection]]<br />
[[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1785845 Beowulf]] - nothing earlier than 1815, one Italian translation, rest are English. It's in the Icelandic collection.<br />
*Icelandic collection. Spreadsheet tracks translations into Icelandic as to whether to scan or not. Pure Icelandic not dealt with yet.<br />
National Libraries<br />
* Organize them as a list as a model. Descriptions for name, searching, languages, help. Unique identifiers? (Do we care?) Linking to them? Templates? (OCLC membership?) Are these a table?<br />
* Expand the list to other countries (e.g. Canada). Add two/three known ones (BL, Bodleian, COPAC, French)<br />
* Search them for my 'completist' lists (Verne, Asimov). Add them to the wiki Bibiliography. <br />
* Arrange for a place to list them on the wiki. The Bibliography?<br />
*Go through them for 'old' searches like Asimov and Verne. <br />
==National Libraries==<br />
<br />
{| border="1" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" style="background-color: FFFFD0; "<br />
! rowspan="1" style="background-color: #f5f5f5;" | Country/Language<br />
! rowspan="1" style="background-color: #f5f5f5;" | Library/Catalogue<br />
! rowspan="1" style="background-color: #f5f5f5;" | External ID<br />
! rowspan="1" style="background-color: #f5f5f5;" | Notes Reference<br />
|-<br />
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<br />
|| Argentina || [https://catalogo.bn.gov.ar Biblioteca Nacional "Mariano Moreno"] || || <br />
|-<br />
|| Australia || [https://catalogue.nla.gov.au/ National Library of Australia] || || <nowiki>{{NLA|6978328}}</nowiki><br />
|-<br />
|| Belgium || [https://www.kbr.be/nl/collecties/belgische-bibliografie/ De Belgische Bibliografie] || KBR: Numeric part of the address bar (URL) || <nowiki>{{KBR|15789982}}</nowiki><br />
|-<br />
|| Bulgaria || [http://www.sfbg.us/ Catalog of sff books published in Bulgaria] || SFBG: The ID is embedded in the address bar - everything after /book/. ||<br />
|-<br />
|| Bulgaria || [https://biblioman.chitanka.info/ Библиоман (Biblioman)] || Biblioman: Appears to the right of "Книги / № "at the top of the page. Also the numeric part of the address bar (URL). || <nowiki>{{Biblioman|6076}}</nowiki><br />
|-<br />
|| France || [https://catalogue.bnf.fr/index.do Bibliothèque nationale de France] || BNF || <nowiki>{{BnF|cb317942828}}</nowiki><br />
|-<br />
|| France || [https://gallica.bnf.fr/services/engine/search/advancedSearch/ Gallica] || ||<br />
|-<br />
|| Germany || [https://portal.dnb.de/opac.htm Deutsche Nationalbibliothek] || DNB: The ID in the DNB site. Contains numbers and x/X. || <nowiki>{{DNB|1076016375}}</nowiki><br />
|-<br />
|| Great Britain || [http://explore.bl.uk/primo_library/libweb/action/search.do?vid=BLVU1 British Library] || BL: Look for the "system number" part of the "Identifier" line. Alternatively, get it from the UIN number by removing the leading "BLL01". At this time all BL numbers start with 0. || <nowiki>{{BL|011388149}}</nowiki><br />
|-<br />
|| Great Britain || [http://search.bl.uk/primo_library/libweb/action/search.do?vid=BLBNB British National Bibliography] || BNB: Look for the "BNB" entry on the "Identifier" line. Do not use numbers starting with BLL. Even though they can find the book, these are BL numbers (see above how to strip them for find the BL number) || <nowiki>{{BNB|011585872}}</nowiki><br />
|-<br />
|| Great Britain || [https://solo.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/primo-explore/search?vid=SOLO&mode=advanced Bodleian Library (Oxford) - SOLO] || || <br />
|-<br />
|| Iran || [http://www.nlai.ir/en National Library of Iran] || ||<br />
|-<br />
|| Israel || [https://merhav.nli.org.il/primo-explore/search?vid=NLI&lang=en_US&mode=advanced The National Library of Israel: Merhav] || ||<br />
|-<br />
|| Italy || [http://www.bncrm.librari.beniculturali.it Biblioteca Nazionale Centrale di Roma] || ||<br />
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|| Italy || [http://www.bncf.firenze.sbn.it Biblioteca Nazionale Centrale di Firenze] || ||<br />
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|| Japan || [https://iss.ndl.go.jp National Diet Library] || NDL || <nowiki>{{NDL|027806225}}</nowiki><br />
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|| Japan || [http://www.ndl.go.jp/en/data/data_service/jnb/index.html Japanese National Bibliography] || JNB/JNPO: The name of the field in the library page is "National Bibliography No.(JPNO)". Usually contains only numbers || <nowiki>{{JNB|22859001}}</nowiki><br />
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|| Mexico || [https://catalogo.iib.unam.mx Catálogo de la Biblioteca y Heeroteca Nacionales de México.] || ||<br />
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|| Netherlands || [http://picarta.pica.nl/DB=3.9/ De Nederlandse Bibliografie] || PPN: Look for the "Perma" button/link at the bottom of any publication-specific Web page and take the PPN number part || <nowiki>{{PPN|854168982}}</nowiki><br />
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|| Norway || [https://www.nb.no Nasjonalbiblioteket] || ||<br />
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|| Portugal || [http://porbase.bnportugal.gov.pt/ipac20/ipac.jsp?profile=porbase Biblioteca Nacional de Portugal] || PORBASE: Look for "Link persistente deste registo", take the numeric part in the pop up window || <nowiki>{{PORBASE|727408}}</nowiki><br />
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|| Spain || [https://tercerafundacion.net/ La Tercera Fundación] || LTF: Record the numbers only; we need the publication IDs and not the title ones (the URLs should contain "ver/libro/" and not "ver/ficha/" before the ID. If you are looking at the ficha one, click on the exact edition. || <nowiki>{{LTF-pub|50465}}</nowiki><br />
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|| South Korea || [https://www.nl.go.kr/NL/contents/N10100000000.do National Library of Korea] || || <br />
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|| Sweden || [http://libris.kb.se National Library of Sweden] Old system || Libris || <nowiki>{{Libris|7745025}}</nowiki><br />
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|| Sweden || [https://libris.kb.se/katalogisering/about National Library of Sweden] || Libris XL: An alphanumeric identifier using lowercase letters e.g. 4mfbn91g2dzt9tw. Can be found in the url after /katalogisering/ or above the title to the right. || <nowiki>{{Libris-XL|5ngcpb2h0p6rx5p}}</nowiki><br />
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|| Serbia || [https://plus.sr.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search Cobiss] || COBISS.SR || <nowiki>{{COBISS.SR|21623559}}</nowiki><br />
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|| Bulgaria || [https://plus.bg.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search Cobiss] || COBISS.BG || <nowiki>{{COBISS.BG|1042352100}}</nowiki><br />
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|| Slovenia || [https://plus.si.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search Cobiss] || ||<br />
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|| Montenegro || [https://plus.cg.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search Cobiss] || ||<br />
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|| North Macedonia || [https://plus.mk.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search Cobiss] || ||<br />
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|| Albania || [https://plus.al.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search Cobiss] || ||<br />
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|| Bosnia || [https://plus.bh.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search Cobiss] || ||<br />
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|| Herzegovina || [https://plus.rs.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search Cobiss] || ||<br />
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|| Kosovo || [https://plus.ks.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search Cobiss] || ||<br />
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== Banner Art ==<br />
Some ideas -<br />
: Linguist: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1023 Fleuve Noir Anticipation] publication series. It's books, not magazines. <br />
* I have pulled a selection of covers into a folder. 2023-03-05. <br />
: 1920's: <strike>Adventure</strike>, All-Story Weekly, Ghost Stories, Science and Invention<br />
: Wikipedia: New Worlds, Tales of Wonder, Doctor Who, Marvel Science Stories/Fiction, Captain Future, Startling Stories, Planet Stories, Fantastic Adventures, Imagination<br />
: Ahasuerus: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?11390 ''Captain Future''], have ''Startling Stories'', but we don't have its sister publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?18571 ''Thrilling Wonder Stories'']. <br />
* Done - Argosy, Magasin d'éducation et de récréation, SF-Magazine.<br />
<br />
== My new goals: ==<br />
*[http://www.penguinfirsteditions.com/ Penguin Penguin] reference site of first editions useful for covers and dates.<br />
*Fanzine with books received - [https://fanac.org/fanzines/Foundation/foundation_9_nicholls_1975-11.pdf Foundation] - had about the only internet reference to an obscure ISBN that I found the book for. Might be worth checking out the list, or other copies. <br />
*New project on wiki (once cleaned up a bit?). Volunteering to visit local libraries to verify copies identified with OCLC numbers. Step one might be determining if automated queries to OCLC can be done. To limit, need a list of pubs, query locations progressively and maintain just the list of unique sites for volunteers to view. OCLC has location data buried in the MAP IT button (lat/long). Could pull location data for each unique location (or pull it based on a key). <br />
**On a related note - check out Books in Print catalogs for publishers, prices etc. [https://archive.org/search.php? query=%28bowker%29%20AND%20title%3A%28books%20in%20print%29%20AND%20mediatype%3A%28texts%29 archive.org] query by title and publisher (Bowker), [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Search/Home?type%5B%5D=all&lookfor%5B%5D=bowker&bool%5B%5D=AND&type%5B%5D=title&lookfor%5B%5D=books%20in%20print&page=1&pagesize=20&ft=ft Hathi] and [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015067268329&view=1up&seq=10&skin=2021 Hathi] don't forget these British ones. <br />
*Develop a collection of data for an Ace dating process. Have already put out a call for an expression of interest. Some random thoughts:<br />
:*Ads are the biggest data point. Also consider addresses, prices and images. The ad contents may also have clues. <br />
:*over 7,000 un-seriesed publications in database. Also the mystery and western genre (may be overlap of ads?)<br />
:*about 1,000 undated pubs, but even some of the dated ones rely on external sources or are known to be inconsistent. <br />
:*Jimmie G's book has a list of some ads (ERB) but not all images. Not all ads have numbers. Not all ads are at the end. There's also the inserted page ads (e.g. cigarettes) that need to be mentioned but probably not tracked. <br />
:*Is there a period of time for which we are concerned or is it limited (e.g. no ads any more)?<br />
:*Use cases: Add info from a collection, add from a single book, find out what's missing, extract data for processing.<br />
:*There must be some discussion about this in some Talk pages. Do a search. <br />
*Describe a test suite for ISFDB functionality. <br />
*Merging maps and excerpts that are the same under a single title. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk/archives/archive_28#Series_title_for_untitled_map_instead_of_publication_title.3F this] for note about using series for title when it's the same map. And [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Titles_and_images_for_interior_art this] note for a query about images for interior art and a reference to a shared map technique. And [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#L._E._Modesitt.2C_Jr._-_Recluce_Maps for Recluce maps].<br />
*Cross-check [http://www.alandeanfoster.com/version2.0/frameset.htm Alan Dean Foster] website bibliography with ISFDB. Notably "The White Hole" reviews in SFC.<br />
*<strike>Tracking different English translations of Jules Verne works. Would be nice to identify key differences so the publications can refer to which translation they are from. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_enter_translations translation guide]. </strike><br />
*Illustrated Classic Editions - inconsistent use of publisher / entry in series / credit for adapter.<br />
*<strike>Jules Verne - mostly translations. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?78577 This] is a good model. Each credited version could have the key phrase, and would allow for different anonymous versions. </strike> Another active Vernian (PatConolly) is [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Date_field_for_Titles_whose_first_book_publication_was_in_parts here]. A discussion on translation notes is [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Entering_translator here]. The [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_enter_translations help page].<br />
*Hachette - this publisher operated under several names (See [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hachette_(publisher) Wikipedia]), but all seem to be listed under Libraire Hachette (one fixed). Should go through and check dates, look for copies (BnF?) and fix. <br />
*Consider going through the Icelandic collection at the university - besides Verne there is an H. Rider Haggard. Who knows what else, and no one at ISFDB is likely going to go after the Icelandic stuff. <br />
*Images - I've a directory of Frazetta and other images to check against the database for a) consistency in naming b) varianting c) missing links. There's also the idea of downloading all the images, matching to the database for unknown artists and using software to match my images against the unknowns. <br />
*Updating some of the help entries. Ideas - how to interpret the publication submission page (e.g. ISBN checksum error). Might even dig through code. Ha.<br />
*An index of the wiki entries. Try to cross-link based on some keywords. Track conversations that get revisited and try to document their resolution. Firstly though, check what I've been involved in and see if they reached resolution. <br />
*Maybe not ISFDB, but getting a document scanner for full text. Then get/build analysis software and scan the Happy Hollisters for fun, and the Burroughs (Tarzan), Doc Savage and other early works for analysis and for other project on source-inference tracking. <br />
*There is a rule for capitalization (however abused). Some DB queries of interest - how many different words in titles start with a lower case? (even initial words as they really never should). Not as simple as " x" because there are cases with hyphens (should be capitalized) and other punctuation (e.g. ",a" gives 6, one French, 3 capitalized and two and's). Which also leads to the idea of standardized punctuation - should there always be a space after a comma? after a colon or semi-colon? How much punctuation is there in titles? How to differentiate periods from dots/decimals (e.g. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2019059 Zombie 2.0]) and acronyms ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?810361 Trouble with G.O.D.]) and inconsistencies - <br />
*A Series of Series - does this have lists of book titles? Does ISFDB have any/many of them? Are they complete? <br />
*The WorldCat OCLC includes lists of libraries that hold publications. Could we use the Verification Forum to identify either people/locations willing to go look up books or lists of sites of interest. Would probably start with a survey of the number of OCLC verified publications with no PVs. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Unverified_OCLC Help] query.<br />
*If I haven't had enough of digging for old publications see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?108430 this] for a link to Edgar Allan Poe.<br />
A big project I'd like to see started is a database of fictional names. I see it as serving the same role as the cast listing in IMDB.com, allowing links, lists and searches. ISFDB seems to provide an ideal reference point for sources. It would give me motivation to re-read all those books I've decided to keep.<br />
*[https://bookscans.com/ bookscans.com] has lots of cover scans organized by publisher for the 40's to 60's (70's?). Publication codes too. No titles, need to scan visually. Several possible projects here. Have dealt with my verified publication covers (spreadsheet in Covers folder). A future project is to correlate images to editions in ISFDB, for example I noticed four other covers for Airmont SF8 (James Blish, Duplicated Man) besides mine. Checking against ISFDB could be done by a similar search, although without verifications (We have all of these). Advanced publication search with publisher and Image URL not containing slash (/).<br />
** Done: Ace to Bantam, plus DAW.<br />
<br />
== My completed goals: ==<br />
*Actually reading a lot of my books and probably getting rid of them. More of a state than goal since it never ends, so moving to completed. (31 March, 2018)<br />
*Work my way through the books I expect to retain. My collection of primary verifications is growing. (19 October 2014)<br />
**Update - I've got all my own library entered and I'm managing to keep it relatively current, in spite of the books I keep picking up from my volunteer position with an organization that sells books. <br />
<br />
*Finish entering a number of magazines and fanzines I picked up but won't be keeping.<br />
**Update - done. (May 2017)<br />
<br />
*Getting at my Edgar Rice Burroughs collection. <br />
**Started. I've been in touch with someone publishing something (book maybe?) with all of the Ace and Burroughs variations. (July 2017) <br />
**Been through the books I own, annotating my list. Next I'll synch up the ISFDB and figure out what's a verification vs. updated vs. new pub. (Dec 2017)<br />
**Starting to verify what I own that has already been entered. (Jan 2018)<br />
**Next step is to add what is missing. (March 2018)<br />
**Clean up phase - based on notes of differences. (May 2018) <br />
**Book is, as yet, unpublished and may come back to this if/when it is. (June 2018)<br />
**Now that I have the Goodwin reference on US Burroughs books, should fill in the gaps in the ISFDB entries. (Sep 2021)<br />
*Match up the images from the fantasy art cards to covers. Lots of varianting.<br />
**Update - done. (May 2018)<br />
<br />
*Jules Verne clean-up of translations.<br />
**Entered all of my known and available publications.<br />
**Entered all first editions of original French and English translations.<br />
**Documented translations in a wiki page and included reference to it in the TITLE notes. <br />
**There are lots of tasks generated by looking at these translations which I'll keep under Jules Verne, but I think the translation clean-up can be considered done. (June 2020).<br />
<br />
== Things to track: ==<br />
<br />
=== Jules Verne breadcrumbs ===<br />
*[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Gzuckier#20.2C000_Leagues_Under_the_Sea_and_Other_Classic_Novels Gzuckier] Looking for actual text. Nope.<br />
*[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Bluesman#Five_Weeks_in_a_Balloon_.2F_Around_the_World_in_Eighty_Days Bluesman] Looking for permission to re-parent Dent second printing.<br />
*[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Chavey#Works_of_Jules_Verne_.2815_volumes.29 Chavey] Works of Jules Verne notice of intent and request for schedule of updates.<br />
<br />
=== Talk pages where I've left questions:===<br />
Don Erickson<br />
*[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Don_Erikson#Tarzan_and_the_Madman Tarzan and the Madman] - fix cover artist.<br />
Nimravus<br />
*[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Nimravus#UK_Pricing_on_Burroughs UK Pricing on Burroughs] - a request for whether a sticker was used or not. - Was a sticker, update notes once N. approves.<br />
Help desk<br />
*Discussion of multiple part first editions is [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Date_field_for_Titles_whose_first_book_publication_was_in_parts here].<br />
PatConolly<br />
*[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:PatConolly#Re:_Titles_whose_first_book_publication_was_in_parts Jules Verne] - pointer to Help desk discussion on handling multi-part titles. Response was made, but retaining this note as a reminder in case I need to check on a verficiation.<br />
<br />
==Useful links:==<br />
<br />
[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup.cgi?1 Clean up report] - notably ''Series with Numbering Gaps'', ''Series Names That May Need Disambiguation'' and I'm not sure what the problem is with the Wiki Cleanup reports.<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy Rules of Acquisition]<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub NewPub] rules.<br />
<br />
[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Using_Templates_and_HTML_in_Note_Fields Templates and HTML] usage in notes fields.<br />
<br />
[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Language_help Language Help] and [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Talk:Title_Regularization Title Regularization].<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Linking_templates Linking templates] for use in the wiki.<br />
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Holmesd
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File:BLCKLBRRCL2020.jpg
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<p>Holmesd: {{CID1
|Title=Black Library Celebration 2020
|Edition=Black Library 2020 tp
|Pub=BLCKLBRRCL2020
|Publisher=Black Library
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Holmesd}}</p>
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=Black Library Celebration 2020<br />
|Edition=Black Library 2020 tp<br />
|Pub=BLCKLBRRCL2020<br />
|Publisher=Black Library<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Holmesd]]}}</div>
Holmesd
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File:THTRMNLXPD0000.jpg
2024-01-13T19:20:22Z
<p>Holmesd: {{CID1
|Title=The Terminal Experiment
|Edition=HarperPrism Unknown year pb
|Pub=THTRMNLXPD0000
|Publisher=HarperPrism
|Artist=Joe Burleson
|ArtistId=9875
|Source=Scanned by User:Holmesd}}</p>
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=The Terminal Experiment<br />
|Edition=HarperPrism Unknown year pb<br />
|Pub=THTRMNLXPD0000<br />
|Publisher=HarperPrism<br />
|Artist=Joe Burleson<br />
|ArtistId=9875<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Holmesd]]}}</div>
Holmesd
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Holmesd&diff=677454
User talk:Holmesd
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<p>Holmesd: /* War Chief */ acknowledged.</p>
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<div>See [[User talk:Holmesd/Archive1|Archive 1]] 20 Jan 2008 to 23 October 2014<br />
<br />
See [[User talk:Holmesd/Archive2|Archive 2]] 24 October 2014 to 15 January 2018<br />
<br />
See [[User talk:Holmesd/Archive3|Archive 3]] 18 January 2018 to 15 October 2020<br />
<br />
== Forest Mage cover ==<br />
<br />
It looks like you PVed and added a cover image to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?220833]. On my copy the New York Times blurb and title are in orange, but it appears as if yours are pink. Do you think this is a scan artifact, or that there are actually two cover styles? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:26, 21 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Just checked to see if it was fading and the actual colour is orange - so probably a colour adjustment by the scanner to compensate for something. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:59, 21 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Then I'll scan my cover and update the record. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 01:01, 22 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
::And my HP laserjet has the same problem. I had to take a picture with my phone to get it orange. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 01:26, 22 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Princeps' Fury / Butcher ==<br />
<br />
I'm cloning [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?293208] for a later printing, and noticed the format given doesn't match my copy. My copy of later printing, but same price, is a premium/tall rack format. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 21:18, 26 December 2020 (EST)<br />
: I need to put this (and several other books) into Transient. I recall that the books in the series did contain the premium/tall rack size, but couldn't swear to this particular one. Given it's my image and the proportions match, I'd say this one should change. It's been a long time since the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive08#Premium_paperback_size earlier discussion] in 2009 and I suspect many editors haven't been following the rules. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:01, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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Are you suggesting that I change it? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:40, 28 December 2020 (EST)<br />
: I no longer have it, so the other primary verifier now has the last word. My inclination is to change it. My inclination is also to resurrect the 2009 discussion in light of 10+ years of experience and mayhem. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 09:14, 29 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Tim Hildebrandt's Flights of Fantasy ==<br />
<br />
I added a cover, some notes and the chase/promo cards to the set {{P|652154|Flights of Fantasy}} [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 16:41, 1 January 2021 (EST)<br />
: Good stuff. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 09:49, 2 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Submission 4909635 ==<br />
<br />
So busy checking titles I missed some author errors - Ann K Schwader (missing a period), Kevin L. O'Brien (missing the initial), Stanley C. Sargent (missing a period). Need to add O'Brien revision to notes as well. Please approve and I'll fix. Thanks ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:17, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
: Talking to yourself? :) Approved, fixed the 3 authors and "Welcome To Goatshead" -> "Welcome to Goatshead". I don't like how the Introduction is named but I need to find a title page before I go fixing it... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:31, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Oh - and I just did all the needed merges :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:34, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Might explain why my edit submission errors out - Python - index error. Intro pre-existed as did one story. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:37, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: Sorry... :) Yeah - I know it was preexisting - I was just saying :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:41, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
::::: PS: And just the usual reminder - use "Import" :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:42, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::: Since when did submissions create a new tab when submitting? If I'd noticed I'd have cancelled the update, fixed it and resubmitted. Or was it switching from Firefox to Edge? I still think of import only for cloning situations - anthology to anthology kind of thing. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:52, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::: Or is simply the submission that errored out. I create too many tabs to for breadcrumbs. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:55, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::: They don't create a new tab unless you do Control+Submit (or whatever button you have in there) and force the browser do to them. :) And yeah - tracking down the stories ID may be annoying but then we do not need to merge all the titles (plus it reduces mistakes in titles and authors names) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:00, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::::: Control + (mouse) Select ==> new tab !! Finally an end to right click and "Open in a new tab". I owe you one. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 12:13, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Starlog ==<br />
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As an active verifier of {{S|33627|Starlog}} issues, please see [[ISFDB:Community_Portal#Starlog|this conversation]] regarding its genre status. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:37, 23 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Took a look, no comment, only verified because the entries existed and I rans across some copies. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 21:38, 23 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Saga of Recluse ==<br />
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You are a PV of at least one volume please follow link to review proposed changes [[User talk:Scifibones #Saga of Recluse maps consolidation|Saga of Recluse maps consolidation]] thanks John<br />
Hi Doug, posted a response to you comment. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 18:05, 25 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Another map consolidation ==<br />
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As a PV of many volumes please follow link to review proposed changes to [[User talk:Scifibones #Magic Kingdom of Landover map consolidation| Magic Kingdom of Landover map consolidation]]. Hopefully you thought the last one was beneficial. John, [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 19:27, 24 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Carolie Bickford-Smith? ==<br />
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Hi, just wondering if the entry is really correct [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?760719 here], since there's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?205441 Coralie Bickford-Smith]. In case it is (which seems a bit more likely than the other way 'round) the two should likely connected per pseudonym, I guess. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:17, 2 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Probably a mis-reading/typing. According to [https://www.amazon.ca/Twenty-Thousand-Leagues-Under-Sea/dp/0241198771 Amazon] it is Coralie Bickford-Smith. I'll submit an edit. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 13:40, 2 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Children of the Fleet ==<br />
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Added a couple Ext ID's to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?630552 Children of the Fleet]. Let me know if you don't want to be bothered with these minor edits. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:01, 8 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
: I like to know about things I can check (an exercise in humility, a lesson in taking care), but things that are the result of research that go in notes or specific fields don't matter. Also don't need to know about things I only verify as transient. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:50, 8 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Islands in the Sky'' artist ==<br />
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Since your verification was transient and from 2015, I don't suppose you still have access to a copy, but just in case... A new editor added an artist credit to {{P|212965|Islands in the Sky}} based on an "RAO" signature at the bottom left of the front cover. I don't see it in the scan, but I may be missing it or it might be cropped. Anyway, if you do still have access to it and could confirm or deny, that would be great. I did accept the submission and also encouraged the editor to do a primary verification. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:19, 9 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:I keep scans of all the books, and my copy does not appear to have what I can recognize as RAO. I'll give him a ping to see if his cover is cut differently or see if I can learn how to spot these things better. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 13:56, 9 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Le pays des fourrures'' ==<br />
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Found [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?851712 a nice one] for one euro ! [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 05:24, 12 August 2021 (EDT).<br />
: With the recent easing of restrictions in Canada / Manitoba, I'm hoping to get back to the University library to finish their collection and the book charity where all kinds of odd things show up. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 08:38, 12 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Glide Path'' printing statement ==<br />
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Hi. I have on hold a submission wanting to clone your transient verified 1965 Dell {{P|250714|Glide Path}} (Arthur C. Clarke) based on his copy's stating "Printed in Canada". I realize your verification is transient and was done 5 years ago, so I'm not terribly hopeful, but do you by any chance still have access to it? If so, would you check and see what it says? There is a permanent PV, so I'm asking him as well. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:43, 21 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
:No real chance - many of my transients are books passing through a charity sale I work for. I do tend to be sensitive to Canadian printings as it is my home, so expect that if I hadn't cloned it to say it was a Canadian printing, it likely wasn't. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 10:16, 21 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Changing Burroughs Books ==<br />
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Hi Doug -<br />
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I have some suggestions for your edit to effectively split Ace publications of Burroughs books. First, I think before you made these edits, you should probably have conferred with all the active verifiers. I don't have an issue with what you're doing, but you're arbitrarily deciding which of the two different printings is represented by the existing publication record and which one gets the new record. I think a better approach would be to see which printing each verifier has. The existing record should probably conform to the earliest verifier's copy. Alternatively, to whichever edition is held by the most verifiers. For my copies, Thuvia and Moon Maid have the 47th St address; Monster Men has the ads for F-156 through F-181. One additional point, this is really something that should have gone on my regular talk page. The other "changes to verified" page is really just for covers and minor changes to the notes. I don't get an automatic notification on the other page like do on the main one. I've put your edits for the three that I've verified on hold. Please reach out to the other verifiers and see if you're noting the correct edition for the existing publication record. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:08, 25 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
:I don't disagree, but would like to offer a defense, although I question your use of "effectively". As to conferring in advance, I've tried that before when was splitting based on my own copies, rather than a reference book. The response ratio was low and slow. And the choice is not arbitrary - I have chosen based on copies I own and have verified. Whichever variant I had already vouched for remained, the reference-only version was cloned. Your other suggestions (earliest, most) would depend on getting responses from everyone, and many are not available. Also changing verifications is in editor's control and immediate, whereas moving text from entry to entry requires moderator intervention. So, while you may disagree, and may enforce your suggestions, it was not unconsidered or arbitrary. And in response to your additional point, your talk page does say "If you're writing to inform me that you've either added a COVER IMAGE or NOTES", and my change was just to the notes. I do not know why you chose to use the technique, or how it works. And finally, I have reached out to all the other 'active' verifiers as I've made the changes. <br />
:So, that said, how would you like me to proceed? I have 4 more potential entries to create in the Ace Books. There are likely a number of Ballantine, but these tend to be straight-forward (no ads, addresses, printing history variants). ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:42, 25 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Let me start off with a bit of history about the cover image and notes pages. It has been the etiquette here to discuss any changes to a verified publication with the primary verifiers prior to making the edit for some time. Several years ago we did not have the note to moderator function, nor did we have fields for external ids. Several editors considered edits to add a missing cover image, or to to add an external ID to the notes, or other trivial matter to the notes to be minor such that they did not wish to be pre-notified before the edit was made. The two innovations that I mentioned makes these pages less necessary, though editors, myself included, have not bothered to take these pages down. The issue with the edits you submitted is that they were not merely a minor addition to the notes, though that is how they are accomplished. In this cases you changing a publication record that referred to a specific edition of a book such that it would refer to a completely different edition. This would be no different than if one had verified the first printing of a book and it was edited to make it into a second printing (assume the date didn't change for this hypothetical). Yes, that would be accomplished by merely updating the notes, but to do so without getting the assent of the verifiers would not be within the agreed etiquette of the project. While I am really not excited about moving a verification because you have determined that the edition that I verified back in 2009 needs to be moved to a new record, I will move my verification if a majority of the other active and responsive verifiers have the other edition. However, none of this should be done until we have everyone's agreement (everyone active) on how to proceed. I'll also note that it's the same number of edits no matter which edition is the existing one and which is the cloned. Keeping the existing to the one that most have already verified, keeps the movement of verifications to a minimum. Anyway, my suggestion is to start by finding out who has what edition. I gave you mine above. Once that's done we can determine whether your proposed edits are appropriate, or should be reversed. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:12, 26 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: An observation - I went back through the notifications I received since 2008 and pretty much all of them were after the fact. A question - if the change had been a simple assertion of publisher's address, or an advertisement (in the context of helping date the entry), an artist credit or the colour of the page edges without the assertion that there was an alternate version, would that warrant prior notification under the old etiquette or actual notification under the new one? The argument being that what you have matches the existing entry and you are just adding more information. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 09:51, 27 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::You'll definitely find examples where proper notification was not given. For the examples you give, it's really up to the verifier, and personally, I wouldn't object to being notified in only in the moderator notes for those. Even simple edits can be a problem though. Another editor recently updated my verified copy of a trade edition of a book, with all the information for the limited edition (all in the notes). If he had checked first, it would have eliminated extra work. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:57, 27 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Changing Burroughs Books (Poll) ==<br />
Based on a new reference book on Ace (and Ballantine) editions of Edgar Rice Burroughs, I have identified several ISFDB entries that should be split. Details first:<br />
* Monster Men - Ads: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44274 Burroughs - 11 titles (F-156 to F-181)] vs [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?854988 Burroughs - 22 titles (F-156 to F 213)] <br />
:Rtrace 1 | Holmesd 2 | GlennMcG 1 <br />
* The Moon Maid - Address: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44315 23 West 47th Street] vs [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?854987 1120 Ave of Americas]<br />
:Rtrace 1 | Holmesd 2 | Spacecow 1 | GlennMcG 2<br />
* Pirates of Venus - Ads: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?26181 9 Burroughs titles] vs. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?854990 22 Burroughs titles] <br />
:Kpulliam | Rtrace 1 | Biomassbob 1| Holmesd 2 | GlennMcG 1<br />
* Tarzan and the Lost Empire - Address: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34557 1120 Avenue of the Americas] vs. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?854989 23 West 47th Street]<br />
:Rtrace 1 | Holmesd 2 | Hifrommike65 1 | '''Spacecow neither (23 West 47th Street)''' | GlennMcG neither (23 West 47th Street)<br />
* Thuvia Maid of Mars - Ads & Address: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?51344 Burroughs (F-156 to F-169), 23 West 47th Street] vs [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?854403 Burroughs (F-156 to F-204), 1120 Ave of Americas]<br />
:Rtrace 1 | Taweiss 1 | Holmesd 1 | GlennMcG 1<br />
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Please indicate which version you have. I have included the names of the verifiers after the titles, please enter your version after your name. I have completed mine (Holmesd) as a model. I would also like to get agreement on how to decide which variant stays with the existing entry (and verifications) and which one is created, possibly necessitating changing PVs. Some options are:<br />
* Earliest verifier wins (as ordered above)<br />
* Most frequent version wins<br />
* Earliest version chronologically wins<br />
* I win (simply because I'm found and entered the changes)<br />
Please feel free to suggest, comment or vote. Two points: by marking your version above, you can prevent having to pull the book(s) twice and there are PV who have not been included as they are no longer active. The floor is open. Thank you. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 23:18, 26 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Done. Can you link the ISFDB record for this new reference work on Burroughs? Thanks. (BTW, you did mean "I've found," right?) [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] 00:15, 27 August 2021 (EDT) (I've or I'd or simply I - ''The moving finger writes; and having writ, moves on'' ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 08:54, 27 August 2021 (EDT))<br />
:: Also Done. Doug's reference book is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?773079 here]. While I'd love to keep my own verifcations intact, I think the fairest course would be most frequent version wins, followed by earliest verifier wins as a tie-breaker. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:41, 27 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Also done (last night). Ok with Ron's resolution. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:54, 27 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::I've approved the edits for Thuvia, since we all have the same edition. For Monster Men, the held edit is the reverse of what we want. For Moon Maid, we'll hopefully get a response from Spacecow soon. I don't believe the edits for remaining two have been submitted yet, but it looks like they could be now. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:42, 28 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::The remaining vote won't change the outcome, so I'll submit the remaining edits and once approved, I'll post links to the new entries on the talk pages of those affected. Thanks to all for participating. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 10:48, 29 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::And for the record, in case this becomes a precedent, my preference for choosing would be that the editor gets to decide. My reasoning is that they can then post links to both entries when notifying PVers and minimize the elapsed time and editor's time. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 10:48, 29 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Done. Sorry for being late. --[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] 14:02, 29 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I've moved my PVs as needed. I see that Holmesd has verified the ones he claimed above, but not yet unverified the others. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 22:06, 2 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Thuvia[,] Maid of Mars ==<br />
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The NEL editions of Thuvia Maid of Mars (per cover) have a mismatch between their publication title (no comma) and their content title (comma). The cover art also has no comma. Could the PVers please let me know whether there is a comma on the title page of their editions. I have created an entry for the first occurrence of Thuvia Maid of Mars (with no comma) [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?854632 here], a 1921 Grosset & Dunlap edition. I'm willing to make the change as it seems to be tricky to get the content of a novel changed, and there is one publication with no PV that I will change if the other two match each other. Thank you for your attention. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:01, 31 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
:[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?288439 1974-12-00 edition] Willem H. / Dirk P Broer<br />
:[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?107721 1975-06-00 edition] Unapersson<br />
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::The comma is present on the titlepage of my edition. Should also be added to the coverart title. Thanks! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 03:18, 1 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Willem's edition is the same as mine, so the comma is also present on the title page of my edition.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 09:48, 1 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Comma present in my edition --[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 12:11, 3 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::Updated submitted. Thanks. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:01, 3 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Chessmen of Mars ==<br />
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I approved your edit to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37004 this edition] of ''The Chessmen of Mars''. The cover scan has both US and Canadian prices listed, so if that cover is correct, I think we can determine the price as US with C$5.99 for Canada. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:52, 3 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
: There are 4 different Canadian printings 20-23) under that ISBN that were printed in Canada and are listed as $4.99 in the catalogue. There is no way to be sure that the Amazon image is for this particular printing. The exchange rate applied on books can be much higher than the money market might suggest. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 15:26, 3 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
::We may want to remove that cover image then, if we're not sure, or at least note that the price in the photo may not reflect the price on the book. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:58, 3 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Opted for the note approach. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 21:51, 3 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Question about Burroughs ==<br />
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Does that book have translations as well or just English language editions? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:21, 15 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Just Ace and Ballantine (well Charter, Tempo and Del Rey as well). They are all English. I don't know if they do non-English. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:23, 15 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Nope, they don't. Oh well :) Have fun with them :) I may decide to add some non-English versions at some point... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:24, 15 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: I think I've got a couple of Hungarian ones in there (that you helped with as I recall). I should probably try to find the others. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:36, 15 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Goodreads and OCLC are good starting points, especially for modern editions. Fantlab for older ones, especially Slavic ones... On the list it goes. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:41, 15 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Asimov's Annotated "Don Juan" ==<br />
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I'm holding your edit to add ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5105114 Asimov's Annotated "Don Juan"]''. I don't think this should be NONFICTION. I'm also not certain that it is eligible. If it is, I would think this would be a CHAPBOOK containing Byron's poem. Although, there are several epic poems that are entered as novels. The problem is that I don't think the poem is speculative. Whether a non-genre item can be entered because of annotations by an above the threshold author is kind of a new question. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:59, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:I don't disagree regarding the NONFICTION vs. CHAPBOOK. I've never read Don Juan. I expect the content to be non-genre, as that was the point of the exercise - adding non-fiction material by the threshold author Isaac Asimov. The [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Asimov.27s_non-fiction request] was non-specific and I've Talk'ed with the sponsor Annie [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Anniemod#Nonfiction_and.2For_non-genre here] and you didn't reject my approach [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Asimov.27s_Annotated_.22Paradise_Lost.22 here] when I suggested ''Paradise Lost'' was non-genre. If you'd like to hold it pending a resolution of the new question, I'm fine with that. I watch most forums so should be able to follow the discussion. My current approach is basically enter the referenced publications with a minimum of research, and will do a second pass to augment with covers, content and external sources. The first pass gives the submissions time to be processed and the second will include pre-existing non-fiction / non-genre. Since ''Paradise Lost'', I've been checking the type of content in the first pass. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 12:17, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: The difference is that Paradise Lost is genre (so its annotated version is also in) while Don Juan is not. So I'd say it is not-eligible (yes, it is on that list - the majority of it IS eligible thus me asking someone to work through them but that does not mean that there are no exceptions). We won't add an annotated Bible either or a book about thermodynamics just because Asimov happened to write an introduction. If the main text of the book is not his (and for annotated works the main text is whatever is being annotated), the book's eligibility will come from the actual author (or book)'s eligibility, not Asimov's IMO. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:21, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Paradise Lost (as such) is not listed under John Milton's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?92197 Bibliography]. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 13:53, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: We miss a lot of books. :) Most likely it was never added because of the same rules that stop us from adding the Bible but as it is not a religious text, it is ours IMO. I think we should have it. It is a thin line sometimes... <br />
::::: I've had enough worms, I don't plan on adding it. Either add it and let me know and I'll finish/create the Asimov entry or tell me you're not going to and I'll cancel the submission. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 16:50, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::: Well, unless we claim Paradise Lost as genre, the annotated version is not eligible. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:19, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: We can open a discussion on the topic and see what everyone else thinks but... If it is decided that it is not really genre for some reason, its annotated version will be also out. <br />
::: What about non-genre collective works in which he contributes an essay? Topic is non-genre, bulk is ineligible, but his contribution is homogenous with the remaining portion? What about his contribution to TV Guide Magazine - would that depend on how genre-related it is? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 13:58, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Non-genre nonfiction is only eligible if it is a book and not just an article somewhere. So "TV Guide Magazine" - unless it is about speculative fiction, it is out; essays in other people's book - unless they are about speculative fiction, they are out (or we will end up adding thousands of books because a genre author wrote an introduction). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:07, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: What if an Arthur Clarke introduction to a non-genre text made reference to how he came to write 2001, A Space Odessey? Would that make it genre? Do we have to read and assess everything even after an author is above a threshold? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 14:02, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: If it is just an article/essay and not a full book, you do not include it UNLESS it is genre. Above threshold does not mean "everything is in" - there is an exception there exactly for these essays. I would not include Clarke's essay in that case quite honestly but it is borderline and if it is about his own book, it is technically eligible. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:07, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::: Presumably referencing point 4 in the ISFDB Policy : '''Included''' which talks about exclusions as opposed to anything in the '''Excluded'''. Gotcha. Back to the salt mines now. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 16:50, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::: Yep. The "Included", point 4. It gives us the threshold stuff (which is why we are adding these but excludes non-genre "non-fiction which was not published as a standalone book" - which cuts all the introductions, magazines articles on all kinds of topics and so on unless the publication is otherwise eligible OR they are about speculative fiction in some way or form. Point 3 does not have the same exclusion so a review of a speculative book or an article tied to a speculative publication is always in but non-genre is a bit more fine-grained. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:19, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Cleaning for the sake of cleaning ==<br />
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Hi Doug, <br />
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See my message [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Dirk_P_Broer#Series:_Arabian_Nights here]. I will be happy to discuss more if needed but let's keep in mind the basic idea of the Wiki cleanup:<br />
* Move the data from the Wiki to the DB (or link to the Wiki if needed)<br />
* Retire the old links which connected wiki to DB based on tags once we have the previous done.<br />
Trying to fix something on these reports by deleting valid data is the opposite of what we want to do. That means that the reports WILL have some uncleanable entries - that's ok. Once we know that all remaining are the uncleanables, we can either retire the report or change it to allow for them or to allow ignoring or something. But losing data so we lose a line on a cleanup report is never the correct way to fix something :) <br />
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PS: And thanks for working on these :) Most of the remaining in some categories are the hard ones that were left over after multiple passes. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:21, 5 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Nonfiction and chapbooks ==<br />
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Chapbooks are only used when there is a fiction element (story, poem or serial). When the whole content is non-fiction, we use NONFICTION regardless if the contents is 10 pages or 1000 pages or if it is unified text or a collection of articles (anthology and collection are also only used when there fiction pieces). I fixed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?860914 this one]. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:25, 5 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Double quotes around href ==<br />
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Hi Doug, <br />
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You may want to check your template for new books: You have <nowiki>""https://asimov.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Books_by_Isaac_Asimov""</nowiki> which then gets into a report because of the "" at the start and the end :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:34, 6 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Cut and past from the Excel spreadsheet, works differently if you copy from the cell or the edit box. Given the number of times I've started/stopped I'm not surprised I missed some. I plan to go through them all again adding external references and images, so will check them all then (along with any other things I notice as I go). Thanks for caring. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 17:13, 6 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: They showed up on the Invalid HREF in Notes reports - so I fixed the ones that were having the problem. This was more of a "you have a glitch in your process somewhere" post and not a "we have problems that need fixing". :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:22, 6 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Ask Isaac Asimov ==<br />
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I approved your edit to add ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?861535 Is Our Planet Warming Up?]''. I made one change to your edit. You had listed "Ask Isaac Asimov" as a publication series. I think this is more properly a title series and I've changed it to reflect that. My evidence is that [https://www.worldcat.org/title/is-our-planet-warming-up/oclc/31737905?referer=br&ht=edition this Worldcat record] shows the book issued by a different publisher as being in the same series. Pub series are almost always under a single publisher. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:47, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Clearly, there were a few other new publications, and I've made the same changes to each. I spot checked a few others and they use the series name across publishers. Thanks again. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:00, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Most bibliographies don't mention the Heinemann editions, certainly not the site I was 'given' to enter these from. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 10:16, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?64606; I added/fixed info for the last book, Ozone Layer, from the copy on Archive.org, and all other books in this series are also on there (including some Heinemann editions) except, oddly, Why Do We Have Different Seasons? --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:06, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Thank you for the assistance. I am working on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Asimov.27s_non-fiction this request] to put the Asimov non-fiction in based on one bibliographic web site. My first step is to simply enter what's on that site, with research only into correct titles and nature of Asimov's contribution. Consulting the many other sources of information is a bit of a juggling act, so I wanted a complete list of titles in ISFDB before delving into them. Besides archive.org, there is the OCLC, Hathi, Google books, Open library, a review website and an annotated bibliography. Let me know if you're interested in working on this more systematically. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 12:20, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Thanks for replying so soon. Open Library and Archive.org are connected; I provided OL link to Ozone Layer's page because a lot of books on the Archive aren't really supposed to be there and get taken down because of copyright complaints, so I rarely provide direct links. Also, Google Books is a nightmare to navigate and get info from and times out if you do too many searches, and Hathitrust usually features public-domain books, which I doubt these are. The Archive copies are available for anyone who's a member; I tried becoming a member a few years ago and couldn't even get the book to open in whatever format they use, so cancelled my membership, but if you know what you're doing you can get to pretty much any page in most books by searching for keywords, page numbers, etc. I've done it many times while editing here. I would recommend using their actual copies as a reference because the 1 book I worked on had a different date than the fandom site the previous date came from. Physical always beats virtual. --[[User:Username|Username]] 12:54, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: My archive.org id works fine and I've used it several times to get page counts that partial views don't often give you. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 13:34, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
(unindent)It may make a bit more sense to slow down on adding these and actually add a bit more details in each on the first pass. Just saying. While just adding them is appreciated, just parsing the list and creating essentially skeleton entries could have been easily scripted. I hope the plan is to go back and actually flesh out these entries a LOT more although I would have preferred more details to start with and not just copy/paste from the list. Especially because I hope you are cross-referencing somewhere to make sure these books exist and are titled exactly like that. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:24, 8 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: My first depth first attempt ended up generating multiple entries and I spent hours flipping back and forth between the edit screens and sources and when I finally submitted them, I had to spend too long merging / varianting to make me want to do another that way. I figured if I got the first one (base title), I could go through the other sources in an organized fashion, figuring out how many editions/printings and which source went with each and do add pub instead of new nonfiction and replicating title information so they'd merge. As for cross-referencing, one frequent place is OCLC, but I'm looking for a match and not figuring out which ones are duplications (Wentworth Co. vs. Wentworth and Co.) or later printings or alternate titles. Yet. It is on my list as it is really the interesting part. I've been noting the archive.org copies where they match the initial edition. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 20:06, 8 October 2021 (EDT) P.S. I'll have to learn how to script things one of these days.<br />
:: Oh, I understand - I am working on my long suffering project to add the Bulgarian SF books so I know how fun it can be with sources. But you are loading a ton of these very quickly - so I was just saying to slow down and do them in smaller batches so we have less "unverified anywhere but in a random list online" books on the board at the same time. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:16, 8 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Dick Sand - Jules Verne ==<br />
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Copy-pasting this here from the main discussion page;<br />
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First time coming across this community as I am struggling down a rabbit hole.<br />
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I picked up a copy of Jules Verne's ''Dick Sand'' at a library sale - however, there is no publishing date on the inside cover, and the only identifying marking is the A.L. Burt Company on the side of the binding, and at the end of the book, ''A. L Burt's Books For Young People'', which is a catalogue of book recommendations. I've been unable to find any copy with the same cover as the one I have on google images.<br />
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In going down the rabbit hole of trying to identify this version, I found on A.L. Burt's publishing page, that you had previously verified a copy of another Verne work. Could you offer any assistance?<br />
Pictures attached of cover and side binding.<br />
[https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/367775379324141568/897652975974117468/image1.jpg]<br />
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- Helsinki, 10:07 PM, 10/12/2021<br />
: The Jules Verne Encyclopedia gives "Reprints appeared by the turn of the century from publishers such as A. L. Burt Company in their Home Library, Cornell Series, and other nicely illustrated editions for boys.". It seems to say it was the Frewer translation. My favourite image site [http://www.julesverne.ca/vernebooks/jules-verne_dick-sands-the-boy-captain.html www.julesverne.ca] has four different cover images, but not this one. The cover looks as if it might be a generic boys book, rather than specific to Dick Sands. That's all I have to hand. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 23:51, 12 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Thank you so much! I've done a bit more research on my end, and I've reached out to another person who has written a bit on the publishing company itself; more specifically, the Home Library Series by A. L. Burt. However, there's some incongruity there, in that all the Home Library Series books, as far as I can tell, all have jackets, and blank covers with illustrated side bindings. I'll hopefully have some more information soon. [[User:Helsinki|Helsinki]] 08:05, 13 October 2021 (EDT)Helsinki<br />
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== Mikaël Bourgouin ==<br />
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Your PV (see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?617716 here]) has been varianted to the Mikaël Bourgouin spelling. Please let me know if you have any questions. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:09, 1 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
: A little correction. That became possible due to a bit of a bug - the two names cannot exist at the same time safely on the server at this time. So it will appear as "Mikaël Bourgouin" on this book. I think that the publication note showing the spelling from the book is enough as it is but heads up in case you want to change/add more to it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:24, 4 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== British Library IDs ==<br />
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Careful when copying these, you want the number without "BLL01" at the start. If you are looking at a [http://explore.bl.uk/primo_library/libweb/action/dlDisplay.do?vid=BLVU1&docId=BLL01010265090 record], it is the "System number" and not the "UIN". I fixed it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?868974 here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:58, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:Been a while since I used one. Thanks for the reminder. Going depth first on each one is going to take for...ever. At least it will if they're all this bad. I still have about a dozen foreign language ones to parse. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:08, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Figured - so stopped by with a reminder. Thanks for working on these! You know where I am if you need me for any Central/Eastern European language :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:13, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Feline Wizard / Christopher Stasheff ==<br />
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Would it make sense to change the publication date of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?613816] to unknown? It seems unlikely the 2nd printing happened in the same month as the 1st. (Which I'm PVing). --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 22:07, 22 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:Eminently. I've submitted a change. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 23:47, 22 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Here be monsters / Christopher Stasheff ==<br />
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Could you check out the discussion @ [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Nihonjoe#Here_be_monsters_.2F_Christopher_Stasheff]? Thanks. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:46, 28 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:Seems you're all coming to my side, so nothing to add. No idea why two or why I picked the one I did. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:35, 28 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The People of the Wind / general question about OCLC ==<br />
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I wanted to verify {{P|417100|The People of the Wind}} and I'm wondering how fussy one should be about OCLC when verifying.<br />
This is a first printing but links to what claims to be a [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/905970 tenth printing].<br />
I often find there isn't enough info in worldcat to definitively match an isfdb entry, but I let it go as long as there is nothing contradictory.<br />
Thanks for any guidance on this. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] 16:13, 1 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:Sorry, just saw this - two messages in between checks caught me off guard. I don't do much verifying of OCLC generally, but presume the editions / printings should match. However, your links left me confused. The OCLC is not claiming any particular printing, so should presumably be associated with the earlies 'match'. The link you gave was to the first printing which would be correct. The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?605400 tenth printing] has no reference to the OCLC. I generally don't verify external information when verifying a publication - just confirm that what's in the book and the record match and that additional information is flagged as such (e.g. artist based on signature). It's one editor's view. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 14:27, 25 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:: If I can chime in: What Doug said in general :) <br />
:: For the specific case: Fjh is right - this OCLC listing (ID 905970) is for the 10th printing ("Tenth printing, "First printing, May, 1973." in the details of the OCLC record) and need to be attached to the 10th printing record here, not to the first. So if someone here would like, find the record for the first, swap it into the first printing record and add this OCLC number to the 10th printing record instead. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:39, 25 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::: Didn't scroll far enough to see the 10th. I do however see that there are editions at both the local universities. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 15:26, 25 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:::: Multiple pairs of eyes and so on. :) One thing I had learned is that the separate libraries don't always connect their copies to the correct OCLC record IF there are multiples with the same ISBN (as is the case here). So don't get surprised if your local universities have 3rd and 12th printing instead. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:22, 25 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::::: Just saw them at the top of the list, disappear when I click "This edition only" so no idea what they are listed as. I've also learned to chase down specific library copies when OCLC records don't line up sensibly. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 16:49, 25 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:::::: Thanks everyone for the help. It took a year but I fixed up the OCLC for both {{P|417100|1st}} and {{P|605400|10th}} printings. :) [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 22:26, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Forward the Foundation ==<br />
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I'm planning to submit [[User_talk:Taweiss#Forward_the_Foundation|additions]] to {{p|14419|Forward the Foundation}}. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] 14:41, 2 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for the notice. No concerns. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 15:12, 2 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?510063 Roadside Picnic] ==<br />
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Hi, Doug! There are two thing I'd like to ask on this: <br />
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1) Is it possible that the afterword is identical to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2175231 commentary], that is: does it tell about the genesis of the novel and the Russian history of publication? <br />
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2) The cover photo has been credited to the director Andrei Tarkowski [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?STLKRTBQFQ2021 here] (and a similar [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?395284 movie still] has also been varianted). Maybe you want to do the same for your verified publications? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:53, 22 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:1) Highly likely, that is: yes it does. 2) The movie still you call similar is different, the main character's stance is quite different. I doubt that makes them variants by ISFDB rules, but don't really care. As for crediting to Tarkowski - a) I verified the publication, but did not create it b) there is no mention of that name in the book c) the matching image is from a 1979 movie, but there is no indication it was used as a cover in 1979 and no title notes to indicate why it exists as a parent in a variant or why the producer is considered the artist. It's minefield I don't care to walk into, just for having verified the book. The cover image is (now/soon) mine, so any observations you care to make on that basis are fine, as long they are recorded so they don't suggest that they come from the verification. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 12:09, 22 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Okay, thanks! I'll do the varianting for the afterword, and add the artist and a hopefully sufficient note: Tarkowski is credited in the German edition, and that the still(s) is/are from a movie which came out in 1979 is stated with the French edition (but I think, I'll do it tomorrow, at least I need a break). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:13, 22 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:: And it's not the same still as in the French edition but as used with the German one, I'd think. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:28, 23 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Self-approving ==<br />
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Interested in self-aproving - the new and shiny in between step that just allows you to self approve your submissions? If you decide you are ready for it, I would support it. Post over on the Moderator board to start the process :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:35, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
: Thanks for the vote of confidence. I'll probably wait for the current frenzy to abate while I rethink my Asimov process (currently geared to staggered entry). ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:23, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== National libraries ==<br />
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As you are collecting your own list, here is the list of all the COBISS libraries (it is a South European/Balkans framework and library for libraries - no overall catalog so each is independent but they use the same software and conventions):<br />
* Serbia: https://plus.sr.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search (we have an external ID for it as well)<br />
* Bulgaria: https://plus.bg.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search (we have an external ID for it as well)<br />
* Slovenia: https://plus.si.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search<br />
* Montenegro: https://plus.cg.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search<br />
* North Macedonia: https://plus.mk.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search<br />
* Albania: https://plus.al.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search<br />
* Bosnia: https://plus.bh.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search<br />
* Herzegovina: https://plus.rs.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search (don't ask why it is separate from Bosnia - local stuff...) :) <br />
* Kosovo: https://plus.ks.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search<br />
Some of these have more members than others; all of them have the big national library I think so if you are looking in that language, most books are there. Old Yugoslavian books can be in either of the new states that spawned out. :)<br />
PS: Croatia is missing because they had not joined (yet). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:56, 28 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29953 Shadowkeep] ... ==<br />
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... is Victoria Poyser, according to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?430511 German edition]. You might like to add her. Regards, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:10, 29 January 2022 (EST)<br />
... and I have produced a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2978772 variant], ready for merging or importing. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:12, 29 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:I've updated the entry, notified the (currently active) PVs and am hoping that the addition of the Cover artist will automatically select your canonical variant. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 10:52, 29 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Vingt mille lieues sous les mers ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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We have a lot of books under [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?4475 Le Livre de Poche] and your lonely [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?718746 verified] under "Livre de Poche". And the "Le" is visible at least on the cover as with all of them. How about reuniting it so it is not so lonely? The note already says how it is credited exactly but there is no point leaving it out in the cold that way... What do you think? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:11, 11 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:Until such time as the Publisher gets clarified, I bow to the will of the common thought. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 16:14, 11 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Well, you cite the front cover and it has "Le" in there on that one so tehnically it should have been "Le" unless it is mentioned without it somewhere inside :) Thanks for fixing! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:48, 11 February 2022 (EST)<br />
::: I can re-check the title page, but am quite willing to go with our 'standardization' for now, regardless of what it says inside. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 17:15, 11 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Stout 2 ==<br />
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I corrected one number and added the last of the cards to {{P|520729|William Stout 2}} [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 18:10, 14 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== David Starr, Space Ranger ==<br />
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Would you look at your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?204249 David Starr, Space Ranger] and check the title page to see if it actually shows "David Star: Space Ranger" and "by Isaac Asimov writing as Paul French". I have what appears to be the same publication where those are on the title page but the cover shows "david starr, space ranger". If so, this record needs to be changed to look similar to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?869757 this] with the author changed to Paul French, the title changed, additional notes added, etc. After that, it also needs to be unmerged and then merged into title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?687117 687117]. I'm willing to do any/all of this and PV once all that is done. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:09, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:Now I have it out, I will firstly agree with your assessment and proposed action(s). Some nits - the title page has "David Starr" [over] "Space Ranger", the second line in italics which suggests the sub-title colon separator is warranted. I question a number of the existing titles with a comma, but agree that your approach is correct for this publication. For content, there is an Introduction on page [7], signed "Isaac Asimov" and dated November 1970, although the copyright is 1971 and referred to as a foreword. The first printing of November 1971 suggests that 1971-11-00 is correct. The artist credit is based on a signature on the cover, as noted in the first printing (with a comma). Do I need to pull the other five in the series out when I put this one away? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 08:32, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
::I've contacted Nihonjoe about the rest of the series since he's the only active PV for them so you don't need to pull them out for me. I agree about the "Introduction" and think I should import [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?751153] to include it in this pub. Shall I go ahead and make the changes? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:36, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:::Better thee than me. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 14:09, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Re: The Chemicals of Life: Enzymes · Vitamins · Hormones ==<br />
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I'll fix the erroneous template - an artifact of my collating various sources. I could cancel, fix and re-submit but all the external entries would have to be re-typed. Looking forward to self-administration. Maybe just leave this one? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:20, 21 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Self-approver flag set ==<br />
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The self-approver flag has been set on your ISFDB account. Congratulations!<br />
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From now on, creating a submission will take you to the "Approve/Reject" Web page which will let you approve your own submissions. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:51, 24 February 2022 (EST)<br />
: To all and sundry who are responsible, I thank you. I've not yet chosen a name for my super-persona, although I'm leaning towards [https://discworld.fandom.com/wiki/Gods#Topaxi Topaxi]. :-) ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 12:21, 24 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:: I have some bad news for you - you are stuck with your original name ;) Have fun - and you know where everyone is if you ever need assistance! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:05, 24 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:::: In all my other ISFDB dealings, I'm still Holmesd, but when I push that approve button --- Topaxi !! ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 13:30, 24 February 2022 (EST)<br />
::::: As long as that persona can spot the typos of all your other personas, welcome to the fun to him as well. ;) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:14, 24 February 2022 (EST)<br />
::: Hi, Doug! Congratulations! (And have fun with the new possibilities!) Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:26, 24 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== MacVicar Cover ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:SCRTFTHLST1959.jpg; This is the wrong cover, isn't it? --[[User:Username|Username]] 00:02, 25 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:'Tis and thanks to self-approval, already fixed. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 08:17, 25 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Zoboa ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?262859 Zoboa], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+430 and add the title for the unsigned maps on pages [6]-[8] before I PV? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:42, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
:Sounds reasonable. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 07:59, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Day of the Triffids Artist. ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?286524I Day of the Triffids] I imported the Richard Powers credit from the first Crest edition. [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] 09:34, 30 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Appreciate the effort, but to be clear: The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?250638 first Crest edition] does not have this cover, the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?250639 second Crest edition], is the first with the illustration, is credited to Richard Powers, but does not quote a source, but the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?250640 third Crest edition] does credit Powers in the Notes. I've added it to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1035678 Title record] for the COVERART. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 12:02, 30 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Land That Time Forgot ==<br />
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Hi, You seem to have added the wrong cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?248740 this] edition. Please compare to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?254846 this], which has the correct artist (George Akimoto). ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?297399 This] is the Segrelles-covered edition.) Thanks! [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 19:14, 9 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
:You are correct, and hopefully now the entry is as well. The source has Segelles listed at the end of this entry, but as a separator and I goofed. Thanks for the pointer. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 19:33, 9 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Waif of the Cynthia ==<br />
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Happy New Year, 2021 and 2022!<br><br />
Seaside Library Pocket Edition #659 P{{p|761882}} is not one you have PVerified. <br />
Yet I report:<br><br />
Moments ago I submitted update to use the full publisher name George Munro, and revised your notes to specify that the stated sources give only the short name "Munro". ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5291560 submission])<br><br />
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By the way, your link jv.gilead.org.il now returns Internal Server Error. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:14, 11 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:No problem. Another site has mirrored gilead, just need to prefix with "julesverne.ca/". Also, they have images of the cover and the price is really 20 cents. I'm posting here so I'll remember to put this in after your submission is processed. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:21, 11 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Allan Quatermain [O] by Haggard and La Motte Fouqué ==<br />
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It seems to me your 6th and final paragraph should be the 3rd par, following "1927." If I understand correctly, pages [1]-266 carry the headers "Allan Quatermain" (?beginning p4 with the page numbering) and second series pages [93]-147 carry the headers "The Two Captains" (?beginning p96 with the second series page numbering). Except front matter before first p[1] and the Burt Catalogue as back matter, those are all the printed leaves in the book, 133+28 of them. <br />
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We should have a name for such books, akin to dos-a-dos. I have seen a few: full title page identifies only the first and foremost of contents; Surprise! contents follow their own interior half-title page(s). Some libraries miss the Surprise!, and may report simply 147 pages too. Re the pagination, Burt maybe issued a La Motte Fouqué collection in which "The Two Captains" text spans p[95]-147. <br />
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Did you read "Authorities" by "The writer of "Allan Quatermain." (probably missing one quotation mark)? Perhaps it should entered as ESSAY content. (If you send me its lead sentence, I will carry it sometimes and maybe once when I visit the big library, look for it in ''Allan Quatermain'' eds.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:47, 30 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
: I've touched up the text along the lines you suggested. I've chosen to leave it as an acknowledgement of sources rather than an essay, figuring the notes cover it well enough. As for "Authorities", I've emailed the entire contents to you. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 19:59, 30 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Understanding Physics ==<br />
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{{T|3029968|This}} and {{T|3029969|this}} appear to be the exact same omnibus. Am I missing something? Based on the notes, it seems like the only reason they are separate is to record the two dates? If so, that is not a valid use case. Titles are dated based on their first appearance only. The Barnes and Nobles data can be captured in the title notes or (the best approach) stub records created for the first printings of each edition. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:16, 25 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Out of Time's Abyss ==<br />
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According to The British Edgar Rice Burroughs Society facebook page and [https://www.erbzine.com/mag7/0766.html this website] cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?107621 this] i Dave Pether. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 13:36, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Quote the source in the update and I'll be happy. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 16:12, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Raven Ring ==<br />
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Hi. For {{P|45918}} which I have just PVed, I was confused at the publication date which is listed in my copy as August 1995 whilst the record says December 1995. Checking the edit history, I see that User:Chris_J got this from locus1. Are you happy if I add the following notes:<br />
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* Publication month from locus1<br />
* Stated "First mass market edition: August 1995"<br />
* First printing by numberline<br />
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--[[User:AliHarlow|AliHarlow]] 05:26, 8 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
: I would be happy as it matches my copy. My only sorrow is that I missed it when I verified it and added the image. Thanks. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 17:24, 8 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Once and Future King ==<br />
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Cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?486846 this] is William Hatherell. It's titled The Rescue of Guinevere and dated 1910. See [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Hatherell wikipedia]. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 11:55, 26 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Asimov's Opus 100, Opus 200, Opus 300 ==<br />
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There appear to be duplicate titles for these three collections with one being marked as a COLLECTION and the other NONFICTION.<br />
Are the following title pairs the same?<br />
* {{T|38033}} & {{T|2928818}}<br />
* {{T|39451}} & {{T|2928819}}<br />
* {{T|2905552}} & {{T|2928820}}<br />
The initial Houghton Mifflin publications for each title pair seem the same except for their date.<br />
Also, note that according to Wikipedia these collections contain a mixture of fiction and nonfiction (as well as SF and non-genre works) by Asimov.<br />
--[[User:Riselka|Riselka]] 14:32, 27 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Out of town, will check next week. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 06:53, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:I suspect these pairs are identical and I will be removing the three I added. However, based on the contents, I believe these should be NONFICTION. I'll bring it up on the Community Forum. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 12:33, 10 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Lost Continent ==<br />
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According to a post on the The British Edgar Rice Burroughs Society Facebook page the cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?107541 this] is Bob Fowke. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 13:25, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Land of Hidden Men ==<br />
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Cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?211537 this] is Bob Fowke according to listings I've seen on Biblio and Advanced Book Exchange. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 13:30, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Times Without Number ==<br />
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Doug, I approved the change in publisher [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5401686 here], but not because of the submitter's reason. I found a scanned copy in the internet archive which shows 'Hamlyn Paperbacks' on the title page. I attached the link to the publication record. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:11, 27 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: It was transient, so cannot check my copy. History shows no change to publisher so no idea what it was originally. Can you recall - seems something so obvious should have been there from the beginning. Bluesman and I seem to be the prime source of Canadian editions/printings, I'm just a bit concerned I wasn't notified of such a basic change. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 12:19, 28 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: The publisher was previously 'Hamlyn'. I counseled the editor to seek agreement with such changes in the future. I didn't think you would mind the change since I found the archive scan and your transient verification was so far in the past. If I'm wrong, I apologize. Do you agree with the change? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:44, 28 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: Back then, there were attempts to standardize publishers, so even if/though it said 'Hamlyn Paperbacks', I could see using simply 'Hamlyn', so find this to be perfectly reasonable. If it had been changed from "Canadian Press", I'd have expected questions. So, all is good. Thanks for chatting. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:25, 28 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== John Varley / Titan (map & diagram) ==<br />
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I am drawing your attention to [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#John_Varley_.2F_Titan_.28map_.26_diagram.29 this topic] on the Community Portal which affects a pub that you have PVd. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:29, 26 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?924221 Words of Science and the History Behind Them] ==<br />
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This verified pub. still has 'hence first edition' in its notes - seems to be somewhat strange. Could you take a second look? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:19, 3 December 2022 (EST)<br />
: The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?532529 1974 edition] is a new and revised edition, hence this is the first edition. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 14:32, 4 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:: But there was a 1959 edition - ten years before your verified publication, and by a different publisher: that's what made me think. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 05:44, 6 December 2022 (EST)<br />
::: Houghton Mifflin does hard-cover, Signet is a Canadian paperback reprinter. Thinking rarely hurt anyone. ;-) ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:10, 6 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:::: So, it seems the Signet is a new (second?) edition. Something like "First paperback edition" in the notes would clarify things, or do you disagree? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:05, 6 December 2022 (EST)<br />
::::: I"ve changed the text to original unrevised edition. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 16:42, 6 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Silent Warrior ==<br />
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Cover art for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?47237 this] is not Chris Achilleos. It's Alan M. Clarke. See [https://ifdpublishing.com/product/trilobite-returns-to-helvoran-large-print/ here] --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 06:18, 17 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:● I have added the correct credit to the artist, the web page that the artwork can be found on, and on the artworks’ page, the title of the work. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 15:20, 17 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Baxter - Proxima ==<br />
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Hi, I believe the Afterword [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?554396 here] should be correctly titled "Afterword (Proxima)" - please check. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 14:13, 11 January 2023 (EST)<br />
* That makes two believers, but hardly enough to start a religion. Change made. Thanks. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:08, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Re the line "Afterword dated to first Roc edition, no mention of afterword in earlier editions.". A look [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=Afterword+%28Proxima%29&type=All+Titles here] leads to the earlier Gollancz Afterword [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?422436 2013-09-00]. What am I missing? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:37, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::: What I was missing was going backwards through editions and not seeing it. Once more into the breach. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:49, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::Erm....once more? I think you might have missed deleting the Notes line "Afterword dated to first Roc edition, no mention of afterword in earlier editions." It's never-ending, it seems :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 03:00, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Two Adams titles ==<br />
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Hi Doug, you are PV'd [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?572762 here] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?572761 here]. Looking at this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?200789 Rupert Truman] summary page, would you have any objections to me adding the other 3 names to "The Restaurant at the End of the Universe" & "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" title pages? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:28, 22 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: Yes I would. The help entry for the Cover Art field states "The cover designer (as opposed to the cover artist) is only entered in this field if he or she also did (parts of) the cover art. Otherwise the cover designer can be recorded in the note field.". I try very hard to follow the rules. Putting this on an entries where I am the only verifier makes it look as if I didn't follow the rules. It also generates entries that can be used suggest that the rules should be changed to accommodate demand/desire. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 07:59, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::I completely understand what you're saying and respect your decision. I didn't raise this lightly and not because it looked as though there is precedent with the other titles and therefore everything should be done like that. We are seemingly at the whim of the publishers and how they annotate the crediting. With this whole Picador tranche of Adams' titles my opinion is that they commissioned these 4 people to collaborate together on the whole project; all of them getting together to decide what needed to be photographed and how the elements would all fit to create the final image. On the covers, the publisher separated out the photography credit. It's a question of interpretation, IMHO, and the line between designer and artist is becoming increasingly blurred by increasingly sophisticated digital manipulation. Anyway, enough of that... the straightforward application of 'Design' no, anything else yes (...sort of) is fine and I stick to that, going by what's on a book, it's just these unusual ones that cause problems. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 08:42, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Asimov - I, Robot - by Fawcett Crest ==<br />
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Hello Doug, re your {{P|479102|PV here}}, this is just a heads-up to point to my discussion with Tom [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Taweiss#Asimov_-_I.2C_Robot Taweiss] regarding Fawcett covers and this {{P|205285|1970 printing}}. You might find something there for yours. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 00:54, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ender's Shadow ==<br />
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You {{P|483390|PV}} seems to have a {{P|556122|duplicate}}. I'll submit a request to delete the latter, unless there's a reason not to. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 21:19, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Death To The Brothers Grimm ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5606480; After adding the link I noticed co-editor's name is spelled one way on title page but another way in intro, so I fixed that. When approved a variant will be needed. I also noticed it's spelled a 3rd way on copyright page (Pueschel, no middle initial) while bio is Pueschel, middle initial, so maybe that last one is the preferred name, possibly? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:10, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::As I no longer have access, the archive edition should be taken as gospel. I think the Pueschel is correct, so Pueschal is the variant. The existing entry for him if for a review, so I would give it less weight towards canonical and use Emory B. Pueschel. Then the review needs the variant as well as the anthology (introduction should be okay). I have also changed the name Emory Puschal to Emory Puschal (in error) and make it an alternate to the canonical. You can drop your submission and let me know it you think I've got it right now (self-moderation to the rescue). ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 12:23, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::OK, cancelled, new one with just Archive.org link added, should be approved...soon? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:32, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: I'm confused. I have updated the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?638474 original pub] to match your comments and the archive.org copy. I don't know why you would want to enter another one. I am self-moderating, meaning I can approve my own edits, but can't see or work with yours. My hope was that you would check the pub and see if you believe it to be correct as it stands. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 13:43, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::I cancelled my edit which added link + corrected editor name and made another one which just added the link since you took care of the names; it's already been approved. Done. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:08, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Biography of J. R. R. Tolkien: Architect of Middle Earth ==<br />
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I added some notes and the price to Your pv pub [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?955533 here]. Hope it's correct. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 18:36, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: It is correct. There was a price sticker on the printed price. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:17, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Paris in the Twentieth Century ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?371321; I've been adding links and ID and other stuff to all 4 editions of Verne's novel; in the case of this edition that you PV the cover artist is Mark on copyright page, not Marc, and page count is 222, not 223 (Library of Congress agrees with that). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:07, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I'm too trusting sometimes. Was able to find scanned images from that book and all is true. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:14, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Publication: Thuvia, Maid of Mars ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?286240<p><br />
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Does it actually say "January"? or just "First Four Square edition 1962" --[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] ([[User talk:Spacecow|talk]]) 17:40, 6 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
: If I put it in quotes, it's usually exactly as written, not that I haven't made mistakes. It's buried in one of a half-dozen boxes under the stairs in the basement, any particular reason for asking? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 22:15, 6 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Mine does not say "January", only "First Four Square edition 1962", that's why I was asking. --[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] ([[User talk:Spacecow|talk]]) 15:20, 8 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Twenty minutes and and only hitting my head once on low beams later, I found the copy and you are indeed correct. The other information in quotes is correct, so I don't know where the January came in. Thank you both for checking so carefully and being patient. I've removed the "January" from the pub. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 17:13, 8 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pellucidar ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5715361; A copy was uploaded on Archive.org way back in 2010 but nobody ever added the link so I did and I noticed the artist was wrong so I fixed that, assuming it's the same in your copy. If it's not, I will cancel and just add the link. If it is, after it's approved you'll need to variant to the artist's parent name, right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:51, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I had a load of Burroughs to enter about then. I see that all I did was verify with no updates so probably just missed the initial. The artist name is already a variant so I'm thinking that nothing else will need to be done on that front. When it's done I'll see if the COVERART needs something. P.S. in general, you should link to the publication, not your submission. Not everyone can see submissions. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 22:39, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Saberhagen, Zelazny - The Black Throne ==<br />
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Hello Doug, I'm adding Reginald3 ID# to your PV {{P|36105|pub here}}. As I'm adding a lot of Reg3 ID#s, could you let me know if you want to be notified every time I make those edits? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 13:30, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Also adding Reginald3 ID# here; {{P|43948|The Mask of Loki}}. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 14:02, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Only if there's a discrepancy. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:44, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Escape on Venus / Burroughs ==<br />
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Are these dups? [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?12554 EOV #1] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?855676 EOV #2]<br />
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I have a copy I'd like to PV, but it's not obvious which it applies to. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 02:39, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Based on many other Ballantine Burroughs, I'd suggest that 12554 is printed in the US and 855676 was printed in Canada is the distinction. If yours is Canadian, use that, if US, use the other and add it to the notes. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 10:49, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Hidden Years and Watchmen ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?597949; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5751517; Your PV is transient but in case you can get a copy again note that ISBN in HC is the same as the one you entered for TP, which seems odd, plus page count is different and page numbers weren't entered for your edition. In case you can/want to fix any of those. EDIT: I also added an Archive.org link to your PV of the 2008 $39.99 Moore / Gibbons Watchmen edition; I was so shocked that it was the same edition and not a later printing like so many of the other Watchmen copies on that site that I thought I'd mention it in case you want to give yours another look to fix/add anything since it's been almost 10 years since you PV it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:25, 24 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Re: Hidden Years. The impetus for the entry was a review, with additional information from an Amazon look-inside, as the Notes indicate. Anyone with a copy is free to correct any of the information I entered. Re: Archive.org link - the submission you gave was to a cloning of Hidden Years, not my copy. There was an Archive.org link in the clone. Re: Watchmen - I cannot see any changes on my verified Watchmen publication or any sign of a link to Archive.org, so I do not know what your are referring to. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 14:41, 27 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Because my edit for Watchmen wasn't approved yet, like the 1,200+ other edits I have waiting because the moderator approval system has completely broken down; so when I say I added something that usually means it's pending. I just thought that with a work of such importance to the genre you might want to take another look at it after all these years to add (or fix) anything you may have missed because things have changed a lot here in the 10 years or so since you PV it, but if you don't want to that's up to you. As for Hidden Years I've done so many edits since then that I've forgotten the specifics, so never mind, my edit will be approved sooner or later (probably later) and then you or someone else can decide whether anything needs fixing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:19, 27 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::You had been kind enough to include a link to your submission for Hidden Years that allowed me to follow your arguments. You did not, however, provide a link to the submission for the Watchmen, so I am unable to comment on any differences between my copy and the archive.org one. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:49, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5751519; I'm not really asking you to comment on any differences; all I did was provide an archived link in my Watchmen edit. You as PV actually still own the book, I assume, so I was asking if you wanted to look over the ISFDB page for it again and possibly add or fix anything to this very important work in the genre because since you PV it many years ago a lot of stuff has changed on this site and things that didn't exist back then may exist now. But it's up to you; if you don't want to, it's OK, at least there'll be a link there soon so people can read the book. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:55, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Dolphins of Pern ==<br />
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Hello. Re [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38553 this] publication.<br />
I've come across a quandry. A note on the 8th paperback printing states "'Map courtesy of Christine Levis' on copyright page. Signature "Christina Levis" at bottom right map.".<br />
I have in my hand the 1994 Bantam Books (UK) hardback edition. The map in my edition is indeed titled Ninth Pass Pern but there is no signature anywhere on the map and Christine Levis' name appears nowhere in my publication. Caption for my map has "© 1987 Niels Erickson. Oceanography information by P. Burr Loomis. Ocean current maps by Marilyn Alm" it's a gridded map with numbers horizontally 19 top & bottom left; 17 top & bottom right; and numbers vertically left/right 80 at top and bottom. Can you check your copy to see if the same map or a different one. I've submitted my edits. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 15:24, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Regrettably, [[https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BKTG10644 my verified copy]] was transient and the first edition. I hope you have better luck with Taweiss. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 22:26, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Norton - 'Ware Hawk ==<br />
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Hello Doug, with regard to {{P|24|this pub}}, I've posted to Dirk P Broer's page [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Dirk_P_Broer#Norton_-_.27Ware_Hawk here] and would appreciate your input. Thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 00:12, 10 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Proxima ==<br />
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Hi Doug, <br />
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I am co-verifying [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?554396 the 3rd printing] and wanted to add the start page of the novel itself but the book gave me a pause. The start of the chapter (the word "One") is on [1]. But the few lines on the previous page are actually part of the novel IMO -- which would mean a page count of viii+504 and a starting page of [vii]. What do you think? I am happy to leave it as is and all this as a note as well if you prefer it that way. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:06, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I've not read the book, so I don't know if those few lines are a general dedication or related to the plot. Making it [vii] seems a bit weird, so the note is the way I would go. No problem either way though. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 18:20, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: I read it during my last trip - they are part of the book and tie to the very end of it (and presumably the next book). :) A note is fine. I will add it later. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:44, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Folklore of Diskworld ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1788694; Should it be Discworld? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:17, 22 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Checking. My copy is currently in another province. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 22:22, 22 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::My copy (7th printing) is indeed "Discworld". However, i don't know if the former printings are also false entries or if it was corrected for or up to the 7th. Therefore i'll wait with the edit for what you and the PV of the other earlier printings say and then decide if a title edit or a new title is necessary. [[User:Welo|Welo]] ([[User talk:Welo|talk]]) 07:26, 23 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Searching Archive.org for "preview from the folklore of discworld" found these 2 (both 2008 Corgi first printings), https://archive.org/search?query=%22preview+from+the+folklore+of+discworld%22&sin=TXT, while diskworld finds nothing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:03, 23 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Canadian Hobbit ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=0-458-92030-4&type=ISBN; I just made an edit adding the 4th printing (Magnum '77 w/ same price) but page count is 279, not 278, because last page has no number. Also, ISBN is the same on copyright page and back cover so are they really different on your copy as note here says? If so, I guess someone at the publisher noticed in the 4th or maybe 3rd printing and fixed it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:53, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Chromosomal Code ==<br />
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You are a PV for this title: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37082 I just submitted this edit to moderators: Submitting External ID (Goodreads) & web page 1 (a statement from the author on how he wrote this novel). Cheers. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 07:56, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Map of Chaos ==<br />
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Added cover scan, notes and external IDs to your PVd [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?514198 The Map of Chaos].[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 17:05, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Conan the Triumphant / number line ==<br />
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My copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?7798 Conan the Triumphant] doesn't have a number line. Yours? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 03:06, 4 January 2024 (EST)<br />
: No. First trade printing: October 1983, First mass market printing: April 1985. A TOR Book. Published by ... Cover art by Boris Vallejo. ISBN: 0-812-54242-8. CAN.ED.: 0-812-54243-6. Printed in the United States of America. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 11:07, 4 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== War Chief ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?262667; Made PENDING edit adding archived link; also, made count 215 to include 2 numbered glossary pages. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:29, 7 January 2024 (EST)<br />
: That one is buried deep, I'll take your word for it. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:42, 8 January 2024 (EST)</div>
Holmesd
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:BCHLNNDKRB0000.jpg&diff=677408
File:BCHLNNDKRB0000.jpg
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<p>Holmesd: {{CID1
|Title=Bauchelain and Korbal Broach: Three Short Novels of the Malazan Empire, Volume One
|Edition=Tor Unknown year tp
|Pub=BCHLNNDKRB0000
|Publisher=Tor
|Artist=Steve Stone
|ArtistId=25978
|Source=Scanned by User:Holmesd}}</p>
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=Bauchelain and Korbal Broach: Three Short Novels of the Malazan Empire, Volume One<br />
|Edition=Tor Unknown year tp<br />
|Pub=BCHLNNDKRB0000<br />
|Publisher=Tor<br />
|Artist=Steve Stone<br />
|ArtistId=25978<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Holmesd]]}}</div>
Holmesd
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Holmesd&diff=677150
User talk:Holmesd
2024-01-04T16:07:37Z
<p>Holmesd: /* Conan the Triumphant / number line */ no</p>
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<div>See [[User talk:Holmesd/Archive1|Archive 1]] 20 Jan 2008 to 23 October 2014<br />
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See [[User talk:Holmesd/Archive2|Archive 2]] 24 October 2014 to 15 January 2018<br />
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See [[User talk:Holmesd/Archive3|Archive 3]] 18 January 2018 to 15 October 2020<br />
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== Forest Mage cover ==<br />
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It looks like you PVed and added a cover image to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?220833]. On my copy the New York Times blurb and title are in orange, but it appears as if yours are pink. Do you think this is a scan artifact, or that there are actually two cover styles? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:26, 21 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Just checked to see if it was fading and the actual colour is orange - so probably a colour adjustment by the scanner to compensate for something. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:59, 21 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Then I'll scan my cover and update the record. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 01:01, 22 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
::And my HP laserjet has the same problem. I had to take a picture with my phone to get it orange. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 01:26, 22 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Princeps' Fury / Butcher ==<br />
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I'm cloning [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?293208] for a later printing, and noticed the format given doesn't match my copy. My copy of later printing, but same price, is a premium/tall rack format. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 21:18, 26 December 2020 (EST)<br />
: I need to put this (and several other books) into Transient. I recall that the books in the series did contain the premium/tall rack size, but couldn't swear to this particular one. Given it's my image and the proportions match, I'd say this one should change. It's been a long time since the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive08#Premium_paperback_size earlier discussion] in 2009 and I suspect many editors haven't been following the rules. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:01, 27 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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Are you suggesting that I change it? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:40, 28 December 2020 (EST)<br />
: I no longer have it, so the other primary verifier now has the last word. My inclination is to change it. My inclination is also to resurrect the 2009 discussion in light of 10+ years of experience and mayhem. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 09:14, 29 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Tim Hildebrandt's Flights of Fantasy ==<br />
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I added a cover, some notes and the chase/promo cards to the set {{P|652154|Flights of Fantasy}} [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 16:41, 1 January 2021 (EST)<br />
: Good stuff. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 09:49, 2 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Submission 4909635 ==<br />
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So busy checking titles I missed some author errors - Ann K Schwader (missing a period), Kevin L. O'Brien (missing the initial), Stanley C. Sargent (missing a period). Need to add O'Brien revision to notes as well. Please approve and I'll fix. Thanks ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:17, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
: Talking to yourself? :) Approved, fixed the 3 authors and "Welcome To Goatshead" -> "Welcome to Goatshead". I don't like how the Introduction is named but I need to find a title page before I go fixing it... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:31, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Oh - and I just did all the needed merges :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:34, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Might explain why my edit submission errors out - Python - index error. Intro pre-existed as did one story. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:37, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: Sorry... :) Yeah - I know it was preexisting - I was just saying :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:41, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
::::: PS: And just the usual reminder - use "Import" :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:42, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::: Since when did submissions create a new tab when submitting? If I'd noticed I'd have cancelled the update, fixed it and resubmitted. Or was it switching from Firefox to Edge? I still think of import only for cloning situations - anthology to anthology kind of thing. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:52, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::: Or is simply the submission that errored out. I create too many tabs to for breadcrumbs. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:55, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::: They don't create a new tab unless you do Control+Submit (or whatever button you have in there) and force the browser do to them. :) And yeah - tracking down the stories ID may be annoying but then we do not need to merge all the titles (plus it reduces mistakes in titles and authors names) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:00, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::::: Control + (mouse) Select ==> new tab !! Finally an end to right click and "Open in a new tab". I owe you one. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 12:13, 10 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Starlog ==<br />
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As an active verifier of {{S|33627|Starlog}} issues, please see [[ISFDB:Community_Portal#Starlog|this conversation]] regarding its genre status. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:37, 23 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Took a look, no comment, only verified because the entries existed and I rans across some copies. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 21:38, 23 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Saga of Recluse ==<br />
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You are a PV of at least one volume please follow link to review proposed changes [[User talk:Scifibones #Saga of Recluse maps consolidation|Saga of Recluse maps consolidation]] thanks John<br />
Hi Doug, posted a response to you comment. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 18:05, 25 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Another map consolidation ==<br />
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As a PV of many volumes please follow link to review proposed changes to [[User talk:Scifibones #Magic Kingdom of Landover map consolidation| Magic Kingdom of Landover map consolidation]]. Hopefully you thought the last one was beneficial. John, [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 19:27, 24 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Carolie Bickford-Smith? ==<br />
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Hi, just wondering if the entry is really correct [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?760719 here], since there's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?205441 Coralie Bickford-Smith]. In case it is (which seems a bit more likely than the other way 'round) the two should likely connected per pseudonym, I guess. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:17, 2 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Probably a mis-reading/typing. According to [https://www.amazon.ca/Twenty-Thousand-Leagues-Under-Sea/dp/0241198771 Amazon] it is Coralie Bickford-Smith. I'll submit an edit. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 13:40, 2 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Children of the Fleet ==<br />
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Added a couple Ext ID's to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?630552 Children of the Fleet]. Let me know if you don't want to be bothered with these minor edits. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:01, 8 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
: I like to know about things I can check (an exercise in humility, a lesson in taking care), but things that are the result of research that go in notes or specific fields don't matter. Also don't need to know about things I only verify as transient. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:50, 8 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Islands in the Sky'' artist ==<br />
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Since your verification was transient and from 2015, I don't suppose you still have access to a copy, but just in case... A new editor added an artist credit to {{P|212965|Islands in the Sky}} based on an "RAO" signature at the bottom left of the front cover. I don't see it in the scan, but I may be missing it or it might be cropped. Anyway, if you do still have access to it and could confirm or deny, that would be great. I did accept the submission and also encouraged the editor to do a primary verification. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:19, 9 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:I keep scans of all the books, and my copy does not appear to have what I can recognize as RAO. I'll give him a ping to see if his cover is cut differently or see if I can learn how to spot these things better. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 13:56, 9 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Le pays des fourrures'' ==<br />
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Found [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?851712 a nice one] for one euro ! [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 05:24, 12 August 2021 (EDT).<br />
: With the recent easing of restrictions in Canada / Manitoba, I'm hoping to get back to the University library to finish their collection and the book charity where all kinds of odd things show up. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 08:38, 12 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Glide Path'' printing statement ==<br />
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Hi. I have on hold a submission wanting to clone your transient verified 1965 Dell {{P|250714|Glide Path}} (Arthur C. Clarke) based on his copy's stating "Printed in Canada". I realize your verification is transient and was done 5 years ago, so I'm not terribly hopeful, but do you by any chance still have access to it? If so, would you check and see what it says? There is a permanent PV, so I'm asking him as well. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:43, 21 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
:No real chance - many of my transients are books passing through a charity sale I work for. I do tend to be sensitive to Canadian printings as it is my home, so expect that if I hadn't cloned it to say it was a Canadian printing, it likely wasn't. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 10:16, 21 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Changing Burroughs Books ==<br />
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Hi Doug -<br />
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I have some suggestions for your edit to effectively split Ace publications of Burroughs books. First, I think before you made these edits, you should probably have conferred with all the active verifiers. I don't have an issue with what you're doing, but you're arbitrarily deciding which of the two different printings is represented by the existing publication record and which one gets the new record. I think a better approach would be to see which printing each verifier has. The existing record should probably conform to the earliest verifier's copy. Alternatively, to whichever edition is held by the most verifiers. For my copies, Thuvia and Moon Maid have the 47th St address; Monster Men has the ads for F-156 through F-181. One additional point, this is really something that should have gone on my regular talk page. The other "changes to verified" page is really just for covers and minor changes to the notes. I don't get an automatic notification on the other page like do on the main one. I've put your edits for the three that I've verified on hold. Please reach out to the other verifiers and see if you're noting the correct edition for the existing publication record. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:08, 25 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
:I don't disagree, but would like to offer a defense, although I question your use of "effectively". As to conferring in advance, I've tried that before when was splitting based on my own copies, rather than a reference book. The response ratio was low and slow. And the choice is not arbitrary - I have chosen based on copies I own and have verified. Whichever variant I had already vouched for remained, the reference-only version was cloned. Your other suggestions (earliest, most) would depend on getting responses from everyone, and many are not available. Also changing verifications is in editor's control and immediate, whereas moving text from entry to entry requires moderator intervention. So, while you may disagree, and may enforce your suggestions, it was not unconsidered or arbitrary. And in response to your additional point, your talk page does say "If you're writing to inform me that you've either added a COVER IMAGE or NOTES", and my change was just to the notes. I do not know why you chose to use the technique, or how it works. And finally, I have reached out to all the other 'active' verifiers as I've made the changes. <br />
:So, that said, how would you like me to proceed? I have 4 more potential entries to create in the Ace Books. There are likely a number of Ballantine, but these tend to be straight-forward (no ads, addresses, printing history variants). ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:42, 25 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Let me start off with a bit of history about the cover image and notes pages. It has been the etiquette here to discuss any changes to a verified publication with the primary verifiers prior to making the edit for some time. Several years ago we did not have the note to moderator function, nor did we have fields for external ids. Several editors considered edits to add a missing cover image, or to to add an external ID to the notes, or other trivial matter to the notes to be minor such that they did not wish to be pre-notified before the edit was made. The two innovations that I mentioned makes these pages less necessary, though editors, myself included, have not bothered to take these pages down. The issue with the edits you submitted is that they were not merely a minor addition to the notes, though that is how they are accomplished. In this cases you changing a publication record that referred to a specific edition of a book such that it would refer to a completely different edition. This would be no different than if one had verified the first printing of a book and it was edited to make it into a second printing (assume the date didn't change for this hypothetical). Yes, that would be accomplished by merely updating the notes, but to do so without getting the assent of the verifiers would not be within the agreed etiquette of the project. While I am really not excited about moving a verification because you have determined that the edition that I verified back in 2009 needs to be moved to a new record, I will move my verification if a majority of the other active and responsive verifiers have the other edition. However, none of this should be done until we have everyone's agreement (everyone active) on how to proceed. I'll also note that it's the same number of edits no matter which edition is the existing one and which is the cloned. Keeping the existing to the one that most have already verified, keeps the movement of verifications to a minimum. Anyway, my suggestion is to start by finding out who has what edition. I gave you mine above. Once that's done we can determine whether your proposed edits are appropriate, or should be reversed. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:12, 26 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: An observation - I went back through the notifications I received since 2008 and pretty much all of them were after the fact. A question - if the change had been a simple assertion of publisher's address, or an advertisement (in the context of helping date the entry), an artist credit or the colour of the page edges without the assertion that there was an alternate version, would that warrant prior notification under the old etiquette or actual notification under the new one? The argument being that what you have matches the existing entry and you are just adding more information. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 09:51, 27 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::You'll definitely find examples where proper notification was not given. For the examples you give, it's really up to the verifier, and personally, I wouldn't object to being notified in only in the moderator notes for those. Even simple edits can be a problem though. Another editor recently updated my verified copy of a trade edition of a book, with all the information for the limited edition (all in the notes). If he had checked first, it would have eliminated extra work. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:57, 27 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Changing Burroughs Books (Poll) ==<br />
Based on a new reference book on Ace (and Ballantine) editions of Edgar Rice Burroughs, I have identified several ISFDB entries that should be split. Details first:<br />
* Monster Men - Ads: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44274 Burroughs - 11 titles (F-156 to F-181)] vs [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?854988 Burroughs - 22 titles (F-156 to F 213)] <br />
:Rtrace 1 | Holmesd 2 | GlennMcG 1 <br />
* The Moon Maid - Address: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44315 23 West 47th Street] vs [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?854987 1120 Ave of Americas]<br />
:Rtrace 1 | Holmesd 2 | Spacecow 1 | GlennMcG 2<br />
* Pirates of Venus - Ads: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?26181 9 Burroughs titles] vs. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?854990 22 Burroughs titles] <br />
:Kpulliam | Rtrace 1 | Biomassbob 1| Holmesd 2 | GlennMcG 1<br />
* Tarzan and the Lost Empire - Address: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34557 1120 Avenue of the Americas] vs. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?854989 23 West 47th Street]<br />
:Rtrace 1 | Holmesd 2 | Hifrommike65 1 | '''Spacecow neither (23 West 47th Street)''' | GlennMcG neither (23 West 47th Street)<br />
* Thuvia Maid of Mars - Ads & Address: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?51344 Burroughs (F-156 to F-169), 23 West 47th Street] vs [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?854403 Burroughs (F-156 to F-204), 1120 Ave of Americas]<br />
:Rtrace 1 | Taweiss 1 | Holmesd 1 | GlennMcG 1<br />
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Please indicate which version you have. I have included the names of the verifiers after the titles, please enter your version after your name. I have completed mine (Holmesd) as a model. I would also like to get agreement on how to decide which variant stays with the existing entry (and verifications) and which one is created, possibly necessitating changing PVs. Some options are:<br />
* Earliest verifier wins (as ordered above)<br />
* Most frequent version wins<br />
* Earliest version chronologically wins<br />
* I win (simply because I'm found and entered the changes)<br />
Please feel free to suggest, comment or vote. Two points: by marking your version above, you can prevent having to pull the book(s) twice and there are PV who have not been included as they are no longer active. The floor is open. Thank you. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 23:18, 26 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Done. Can you link the ISFDB record for this new reference work on Burroughs? Thanks. (BTW, you did mean "I've found," right?) [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] 00:15, 27 August 2021 (EDT) (I've or I'd or simply I - ''The moving finger writes; and having writ, moves on'' ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 08:54, 27 August 2021 (EDT))<br />
:: Also Done. Doug's reference book is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?773079 here]. While I'd love to keep my own verifcations intact, I think the fairest course would be most frequent version wins, followed by earliest verifier wins as a tie-breaker. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:41, 27 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Also done (last night). Ok with Ron's resolution. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:54, 27 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::I've approved the edits for Thuvia, since we all have the same edition. For Monster Men, the held edit is the reverse of what we want. For Moon Maid, we'll hopefully get a response from Spacecow soon. I don't believe the edits for remaining two have been submitted yet, but it looks like they could be now. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:42, 28 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::The remaining vote won't change the outcome, so I'll submit the remaining edits and once approved, I'll post links to the new entries on the talk pages of those affected. Thanks to all for participating. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 10:48, 29 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::And for the record, in case this becomes a precedent, my preference for choosing would be that the editor gets to decide. My reasoning is that they can then post links to both entries when notifying PVers and minimize the elapsed time and editor's time. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 10:48, 29 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Done. Sorry for being late. --[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] 14:02, 29 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I've moved my PVs as needed. I see that Holmesd has verified the ones he claimed above, but not yet unverified the others. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 22:06, 2 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Thuvia[,] Maid of Mars ==<br />
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The NEL editions of Thuvia Maid of Mars (per cover) have a mismatch between their publication title (no comma) and their content title (comma). The cover art also has no comma. Could the PVers please let me know whether there is a comma on the title page of their editions. I have created an entry for the first occurrence of Thuvia Maid of Mars (with no comma) [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?854632 here], a 1921 Grosset & Dunlap edition. I'm willing to make the change as it seems to be tricky to get the content of a novel changed, and there is one publication with no PV that I will change if the other two match each other. Thank you for your attention. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:01, 31 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
:[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?288439 1974-12-00 edition] Willem H. / Dirk P Broer<br />
:[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?107721 1975-06-00 edition] Unapersson<br />
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::The comma is present on the titlepage of my edition. Should also be added to the coverart title. Thanks! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 03:18, 1 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Willem's edition is the same as mine, so the comma is also present on the title page of my edition.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 09:48, 1 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Comma present in my edition --[[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] 12:11, 3 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::Updated submitted. Thanks. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:01, 3 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Chessmen of Mars ==<br />
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I approved your edit to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37004 this edition] of ''The Chessmen of Mars''. The cover scan has both US and Canadian prices listed, so if that cover is correct, I think we can determine the price as US with C$5.99 for Canada. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:52, 3 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
: There are 4 different Canadian printings 20-23) under that ISBN that were printed in Canada and are listed as $4.99 in the catalogue. There is no way to be sure that the Amazon image is for this particular printing. The exchange rate applied on books can be much higher than the money market might suggest. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 15:26, 3 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
::We may want to remove that cover image then, if we're not sure, or at least note that the price in the photo may not reflect the price on the book. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:58, 3 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Opted for the note approach. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 21:51, 3 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Question about Burroughs ==<br />
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Does that book have translations as well or just English language editions? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:21, 15 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Just Ace and Ballantine (well Charter, Tempo and Del Rey as well). They are all English. I don't know if they do non-English. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:23, 15 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Nope, they don't. Oh well :) Have fun with them :) I may decide to add some non-English versions at some point... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:24, 15 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: I think I've got a couple of Hungarian ones in there (that you helped with as I recall). I should probably try to find the others. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:36, 15 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Goodreads and OCLC are good starting points, especially for modern editions. Fantlab for older ones, especially Slavic ones... On the list it goes. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:41, 15 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Asimov's Annotated "Don Juan" ==<br />
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I'm holding your edit to add ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5105114 Asimov's Annotated "Don Juan"]''. I don't think this should be NONFICTION. I'm also not certain that it is eligible. If it is, I would think this would be a CHAPBOOK containing Byron's poem. Although, there are several epic poems that are entered as novels. The problem is that I don't think the poem is speculative. Whether a non-genre item can be entered because of annotations by an above the threshold author is kind of a new question. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:59, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:I don't disagree regarding the NONFICTION vs. CHAPBOOK. I've never read Don Juan. I expect the content to be non-genre, as that was the point of the exercise - adding non-fiction material by the threshold author Isaac Asimov. The [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Asimov.27s_non-fiction request] was non-specific and I've Talk'ed with the sponsor Annie [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Anniemod#Nonfiction_and.2For_non-genre here] and you didn't reject my approach [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Asimov.27s_Annotated_.22Paradise_Lost.22 here] when I suggested ''Paradise Lost'' was non-genre. If you'd like to hold it pending a resolution of the new question, I'm fine with that. I watch most forums so should be able to follow the discussion. My current approach is basically enter the referenced publications with a minimum of research, and will do a second pass to augment with covers, content and external sources. The first pass gives the submissions time to be processed and the second will include pre-existing non-fiction / non-genre. Since ''Paradise Lost'', I've been checking the type of content in the first pass. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 12:17, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: The difference is that Paradise Lost is genre (so its annotated version is also in) while Don Juan is not. So I'd say it is not-eligible (yes, it is on that list - the majority of it IS eligible thus me asking someone to work through them but that does not mean that there are no exceptions). We won't add an annotated Bible either or a book about thermodynamics just because Asimov happened to write an introduction. If the main text of the book is not his (and for annotated works the main text is whatever is being annotated), the book's eligibility will come from the actual author (or book)'s eligibility, not Asimov's IMO. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:21, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Paradise Lost (as such) is not listed under John Milton's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?92197 Bibliography]. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 13:53, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: We miss a lot of books. :) Most likely it was never added because of the same rules that stop us from adding the Bible but as it is not a religious text, it is ours IMO. I think we should have it. It is a thin line sometimes... <br />
::::: I've had enough worms, I don't plan on adding it. Either add it and let me know and I'll finish/create the Asimov entry or tell me you're not going to and I'll cancel the submission. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 16:50, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::: Well, unless we claim Paradise Lost as genre, the annotated version is not eligible. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:19, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: We can open a discussion on the topic and see what everyone else thinks but... If it is decided that it is not really genre for some reason, its annotated version will be also out. <br />
::: What about non-genre collective works in which he contributes an essay? Topic is non-genre, bulk is ineligible, but his contribution is homogenous with the remaining portion? What about his contribution to TV Guide Magazine - would that depend on how genre-related it is? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 13:58, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Non-genre nonfiction is only eligible if it is a book and not just an article somewhere. So "TV Guide Magazine" - unless it is about speculative fiction, it is out; essays in other people's book - unless they are about speculative fiction, they are out (or we will end up adding thousands of books because a genre author wrote an introduction). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:07, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: What if an Arthur Clarke introduction to a non-genre text made reference to how he came to write 2001, A Space Odessey? Would that make it genre? Do we have to read and assess everything even after an author is above a threshold? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 14:02, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: If it is just an article/essay and not a full book, you do not include it UNLESS it is genre. Above threshold does not mean "everything is in" - there is an exception there exactly for these essays. I would not include Clarke's essay in that case quite honestly but it is borderline and if it is about his own book, it is technically eligible. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:07, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::: Presumably referencing point 4 in the ISFDB Policy : '''Included''' which talks about exclusions as opposed to anything in the '''Excluded'''. Gotcha. Back to the salt mines now. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 16:50, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::: Yep. The "Included", point 4. It gives us the threshold stuff (which is why we are adding these but excludes non-genre "non-fiction which was not published as a standalone book" - which cuts all the introductions, magazines articles on all kinds of topics and so on unless the publication is otherwise eligible OR they are about speculative fiction in some way or form. Point 3 does not have the same exclusion so a review of a speculative book or an article tied to a speculative publication is always in but non-genre is a bit more fine-grained. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:19, 4 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Cleaning for the sake of cleaning ==<br />
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Hi Doug, <br />
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See my message [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Dirk_P_Broer#Series:_Arabian_Nights here]. I will be happy to discuss more if needed but let's keep in mind the basic idea of the Wiki cleanup:<br />
* Move the data from the Wiki to the DB (or link to the Wiki if needed)<br />
* Retire the old links which connected wiki to DB based on tags once we have the previous done.<br />
Trying to fix something on these reports by deleting valid data is the opposite of what we want to do. That means that the reports WILL have some uncleanable entries - that's ok. Once we know that all remaining are the uncleanables, we can either retire the report or change it to allow for them or to allow ignoring or something. But losing data so we lose a line on a cleanup report is never the correct way to fix something :) <br />
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PS: And thanks for working on these :) Most of the remaining in some categories are the hard ones that were left over after multiple passes. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:21, 5 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Nonfiction and chapbooks ==<br />
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Chapbooks are only used when there is a fiction element (story, poem or serial). When the whole content is non-fiction, we use NONFICTION regardless if the contents is 10 pages or 1000 pages or if it is unified text or a collection of articles (anthology and collection are also only used when there fiction pieces). I fixed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?860914 this one]. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:25, 5 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Double quotes around href ==<br />
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Hi Doug, <br />
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You may want to check your template for new books: You have <nowiki>""https://asimov.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Books_by_Isaac_Asimov""</nowiki> which then gets into a report because of the "" at the start and the end :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:34, 6 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Cut and past from the Excel spreadsheet, works differently if you copy from the cell or the edit box. Given the number of times I've started/stopped I'm not surprised I missed some. I plan to go through them all again adding external references and images, so will check them all then (along with any other things I notice as I go). Thanks for caring. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 17:13, 6 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: They showed up on the Invalid HREF in Notes reports - so I fixed the ones that were having the problem. This was more of a "you have a glitch in your process somewhere" post and not a "we have problems that need fixing". :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:22, 6 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Ask Isaac Asimov ==<br />
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I approved your edit to add ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?861535 Is Our Planet Warming Up?]''. I made one change to your edit. You had listed "Ask Isaac Asimov" as a publication series. I think this is more properly a title series and I've changed it to reflect that. My evidence is that [https://www.worldcat.org/title/is-our-planet-warming-up/oclc/31737905?referer=br&ht=edition this Worldcat record] shows the book issued by a different publisher as being in the same series. Pub series are almost always under a single publisher. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:47, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Clearly, there were a few other new publications, and I've made the same changes to each. I spot checked a few others and they use the series name across publishers. Thanks again. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:00, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Most bibliographies don't mention the Heinemann editions, certainly not the site I was 'given' to enter these from. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 10:16, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?64606; I added/fixed info for the last book, Ozone Layer, from the copy on Archive.org, and all other books in this series are also on there (including some Heinemann editions) except, oddly, Why Do We Have Different Seasons? --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:06, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Thank you for the assistance. I am working on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Asimov.27s_non-fiction this request] to put the Asimov non-fiction in based on one bibliographic web site. My first step is to simply enter what's on that site, with research only into correct titles and nature of Asimov's contribution. Consulting the many other sources of information is a bit of a juggling act, so I wanted a complete list of titles in ISFDB before delving into them. Besides archive.org, there is the OCLC, Hathi, Google books, Open library, a review website and an annotated bibliography. Let me know if you're interested in working on this more systematically. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 12:20, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Thanks for replying so soon. Open Library and Archive.org are connected; I provided OL link to Ozone Layer's page because a lot of books on the Archive aren't really supposed to be there and get taken down because of copyright complaints, so I rarely provide direct links. Also, Google Books is a nightmare to navigate and get info from and times out if you do too many searches, and Hathitrust usually features public-domain books, which I doubt these are. The Archive copies are available for anyone who's a member; I tried becoming a member a few years ago and couldn't even get the book to open in whatever format they use, so cancelled my membership, but if you know what you're doing you can get to pretty much any page in most books by searching for keywords, page numbers, etc. I've done it many times while editing here. I would recommend using their actual copies as a reference because the 1 book I worked on had a different date than the fandom site the previous date came from. Physical always beats virtual. --[[User:Username|Username]] 12:54, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: My archive.org id works fine and I've used it several times to get page counts that partial views don't often give you. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 13:34, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
(unindent)It may make a bit more sense to slow down on adding these and actually add a bit more details in each on the first pass. Just saying. While just adding them is appreciated, just parsing the list and creating essentially skeleton entries could have been easily scripted. I hope the plan is to go back and actually flesh out these entries a LOT more although I would have preferred more details to start with and not just copy/paste from the list. Especially because I hope you are cross-referencing somewhere to make sure these books exist and are titled exactly like that. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:24, 8 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: My first depth first attempt ended up generating multiple entries and I spent hours flipping back and forth between the edit screens and sources and when I finally submitted them, I had to spend too long merging / varianting to make me want to do another that way. I figured if I got the first one (base title), I could go through the other sources in an organized fashion, figuring out how many editions/printings and which source went with each and do add pub instead of new nonfiction and replicating title information so they'd merge. As for cross-referencing, one frequent place is OCLC, but I'm looking for a match and not figuring out which ones are duplications (Wentworth Co. vs. Wentworth and Co.) or later printings or alternate titles. Yet. It is on my list as it is really the interesting part. I've been noting the archive.org copies where they match the initial edition. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 20:06, 8 October 2021 (EDT) P.S. I'll have to learn how to script things one of these days.<br />
:: Oh, I understand - I am working on my long suffering project to add the Bulgarian SF books so I know how fun it can be with sources. But you are loading a ton of these very quickly - so I was just saying to slow down and do them in smaller batches so we have less "unverified anywhere but in a random list online" books on the board at the same time. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:16, 8 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Dick Sand - Jules Verne ==<br />
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Copy-pasting this here from the main discussion page;<br />
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First time coming across this community as I am struggling down a rabbit hole.<br />
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I picked up a copy of Jules Verne's ''Dick Sand'' at a library sale - however, there is no publishing date on the inside cover, and the only identifying marking is the A.L. Burt Company on the side of the binding, and at the end of the book, ''A. L Burt's Books For Young People'', which is a catalogue of book recommendations. I've been unable to find any copy with the same cover as the one I have on google images.<br />
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In going down the rabbit hole of trying to identify this version, I found on A.L. Burt's publishing page, that you had previously verified a copy of another Verne work. Could you offer any assistance?<br />
Pictures attached of cover and side binding.<br />
[https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/367775379324141568/897652975974117468/image1.jpg]<br />
[https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/367775379324141568/897652975550472252/image0.jpg]<br />
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- Helsinki, 10:07 PM, 10/12/2021<br />
: The Jules Verne Encyclopedia gives "Reprints appeared by the turn of the century from publishers such as A. L. Burt Company in their Home Library, Cornell Series, and other nicely illustrated editions for boys.". It seems to say it was the Frewer translation. My favourite image site [http://www.julesverne.ca/vernebooks/jules-verne_dick-sands-the-boy-captain.html www.julesverne.ca] has four different cover images, but not this one. The cover looks as if it might be a generic boys book, rather than specific to Dick Sands. That's all I have to hand. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 23:51, 12 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Thank you so much! I've done a bit more research on my end, and I've reached out to another person who has written a bit on the publishing company itself; more specifically, the Home Library Series by A. L. Burt. However, there's some incongruity there, in that all the Home Library Series books, as far as I can tell, all have jackets, and blank covers with illustrated side bindings. I'll hopefully have some more information soon. [[User:Helsinki|Helsinki]] 08:05, 13 October 2021 (EDT)Helsinki<br />
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== Mikaël Bourgouin ==<br />
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Your PV (see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?617716 here]) has been varianted to the Mikaël Bourgouin spelling. Please let me know if you have any questions. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:09, 1 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
: A little correction. That became possible due to a bit of a bug - the two names cannot exist at the same time safely on the server at this time. So it will appear as "Mikaël Bourgouin" on this book. I think that the publication note showing the spelling from the book is enough as it is but heads up in case you want to change/add more to it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:24, 4 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== British Library IDs ==<br />
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Careful when copying these, you want the number without "BLL01" at the start. If you are looking at a [http://explore.bl.uk/primo_library/libweb/action/dlDisplay.do?vid=BLVU1&docId=BLL01010265090 record], it is the "System number" and not the "UIN". I fixed it [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?868974 here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:58, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:Been a while since I used one. Thanks for the reminder. Going depth first on each one is going to take for...ever. At least it will if they're all this bad. I still have about a dozen foreign language ones to parse. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:08, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Figured - so stopped by with a reminder. Thanks for working on these! You know where I am if you need me for any Central/Eastern European language :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:13, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Feline Wizard / Christopher Stasheff ==<br />
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Would it make sense to change the publication date of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?613816] to unknown? It seems unlikely the 2nd printing happened in the same month as the 1st. (Which I'm PVing). --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 22:07, 22 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:Eminently. I've submitted a change. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 23:47, 22 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Here be monsters / Christopher Stasheff ==<br />
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Could you check out the discussion @ [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Nihonjoe#Here_be_monsters_.2F_Christopher_Stasheff]? Thanks. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:46, 28 December 2021 (EST)<br />
:Seems you're all coming to my side, so nothing to add. No idea why two or why I picked the one I did. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:35, 28 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The People of the Wind / general question about OCLC ==<br />
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I wanted to verify {{P|417100|The People of the Wind}} and I'm wondering how fussy one should be about OCLC when verifying.<br />
This is a first printing but links to what claims to be a [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/905970 tenth printing].<br />
I often find there isn't enough info in worldcat to definitively match an isfdb entry, but I let it go as long as there is nothing contradictory.<br />
Thanks for any guidance on this. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] 16:13, 1 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:Sorry, just saw this - two messages in between checks caught me off guard. I don't do much verifying of OCLC generally, but presume the editions / printings should match. However, your links left me confused. The OCLC is not claiming any particular printing, so should presumably be associated with the earlies 'match'. The link you gave was to the first printing which would be correct. The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?605400 tenth printing] has no reference to the OCLC. I generally don't verify external information when verifying a publication - just confirm that what's in the book and the record match and that additional information is flagged as such (e.g. artist based on signature). It's one editor's view. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 14:27, 25 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:: If I can chime in: What Doug said in general :) <br />
:: For the specific case: Fjh is right - this OCLC listing (ID 905970) is for the 10th printing ("Tenth printing, "First printing, May, 1973." in the details of the OCLC record) and need to be attached to the 10th printing record here, not to the first. So if someone here would like, find the record for the first, swap it into the first printing record and add this OCLC number to the 10th printing record instead. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:39, 25 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::: Didn't scroll far enough to see the 10th. I do however see that there are editions at both the local universities. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 15:26, 25 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:::: Multiple pairs of eyes and so on. :) One thing I had learned is that the separate libraries don't always connect their copies to the correct OCLC record IF there are multiples with the same ISBN (as is the case here). So don't get surprised if your local universities have 3rd and 12th printing instead. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:22, 25 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::::: Just saw them at the top of the list, disappear when I click "This edition only" so no idea what they are listed as. I've also learned to chase down specific library copies when OCLC records don't line up sensibly. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 16:49, 25 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:::::: Thanks everyone for the help. It took a year but I fixed up the OCLC for both {{P|417100|1st}} and {{P|605400|10th}} printings. :) [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 22:26, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Forward the Foundation ==<br />
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I'm planning to submit [[User_talk:Taweiss#Forward_the_Foundation|additions]] to {{p|14419|Forward the Foundation}}. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] 14:41, 2 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for the notice. No concerns. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 15:12, 2 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?510063 Roadside Picnic] ==<br />
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Hi, Doug! There are two thing I'd like to ask on this: <br />
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1) Is it possible that the afterword is identical to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2175231 commentary], that is: does it tell about the genesis of the novel and the Russian history of publication? <br />
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2) The cover photo has been credited to the director Andrei Tarkowski [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?STLKRTBQFQ2021 here] (and a similar [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?395284 movie still] has also been varianted). Maybe you want to do the same for your verified publications? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:53, 22 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:1) Highly likely, that is: yes it does. 2) The movie still you call similar is different, the main character's stance is quite different. I doubt that makes them variants by ISFDB rules, but don't really care. As for crediting to Tarkowski - a) I verified the publication, but did not create it b) there is no mention of that name in the book c) the matching image is from a 1979 movie, but there is no indication it was used as a cover in 1979 and no title notes to indicate why it exists as a parent in a variant or why the producer is considered the artist. It's minefield I don't care to walk into, just for having verified the book. The cover image is (now/soon) mine, so any observations you care to make on that basis are fine, as long they are recorded so they don't suggest that they come from the verification. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 12:09, 22 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Okay, thanks! I'll do the varianting for the afterword, and add the artist and a hopefully sufficient note: Tarkowski is credited in the German edition, and that the still(s) is/are from a movie which came out in 1979 is stated with the French edition (but I think, I'll do it tomorrow, at least I need a break). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:13, 22 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:: And it's not the same still as in the French edition but as used with the German one, I'd think. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:28, 23 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Self-approving ==<br />
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Interested in self-aproving - the new and shiny in between step that just allows you to self approve your submissions? If you decide you are ready for it, I would support it. Post over on the Moderator board to start the process :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:35, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
: Thanks for the vote of confidence. I'll probably wait for the current frenzy to abate while I rethink my Asimov process (currently geared to staggered entry). ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:23, 26 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== National libraries ==<br />
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As you are collecting your own list, here is the list of all the COBISS libraries (it is a South European/Balkans framework and library for libraries - no overall catalog so each is independent but they use the same software and conventions):<br />
* Serbia: https://plus.sr.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search (we have an external ID for it as well)<br />
* Bulgaria: https://plus.bg.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search (we have an external ID for it as well)<br />
* Slovenia: https://plus.si.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search<br />
* Montenegro: https://plus.cg.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search<br />
* North Macedonia: https://plus.mk.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search<br />
* Albania: https://plus.al.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search<br />
* Bosnia: https://plus.bh.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search<br />
* Herzegovina: https://plus.rs.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search (don't ask why it is separate from Bosnia - local stuff...) :) <br />
* Kosovo: https://plus.ks.cobiss.net/opac7/bib/search<br />
Some of these have more members than others; all of them have the big national library I think so if you are looking in that language, most books are there. Old Yugoslavian books can be in either of the new states that spawned out. :)<br />
PS: Croatia is missing because they had not joined (yet). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:56, 28 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29953 Shadowkeep] ... ==<br />
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... is Victoria Poyser, according to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?430511 German edition]. You might like to add her. Regards, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:10, 29 January 2022 (EST)<br />
... and I have produced a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2978772 variant], ready for merging or importing. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:12, 29 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:I've updated the entry, notified the (currently active) PVs and am hoping that the addition of the Cover artist will automatically select your canonical variant. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 10:52, 29 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Vingt mille lieues sous les mers ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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We have a lot of books under [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?4475 Le Livre de Poche] and your lonely [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?718746 verified] under "Livre de Poche". And the "Le" is visible at least on the cover as with all of them. How about reuniting it so it is not so lonely? The note already says how it is credited exactly but there is no point leaving it out in the cold that way... What do you think? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:11, 11 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:Until such time as the Publisher gets clarified, I bow to the will of the common thought. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 16:14, 11 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Well, you cite the front cover and it has "Le" in there on that one so tehnically it should have been "Le" unless it is mentioned without it somewhere inside :) Thanks for fixing! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:48, 11 February 2022 (EST)<br />
::: I can re-check the title page, but am quite willing to go with our 'standardization' for now, regardless of what it says inside. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 17:15, 11 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Stout 2 ==<br />
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I corrected one number and added the last of the cards to {{P|520729|William Stout 2}} [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 18:10, 14 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== David Starr, Space Ranger ==<br />
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Would you look at your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?204249 David Starr, Space Ranger] and check the title page to see if it actually shows "David Star: Space Ranger" and "by Isaac Asimov writing as Paul French". I have what appears to be the same publication where those are on the title page but the cover shows "david starr, space ranger". If so, this record needs to be changed to look similar to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?869757 this] with the author changed to Paul French, the title changed, additional notes added, etc. After that, it also needs to be unmerged and then merged into title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?687117 687117]. I'm willing to do any/all of this and PV once all that is done. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:09, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:Now I have it out, I will firstly agree with your assessment and proposed action(s). Some nits - the title page has "David Starr" [over] "Space Ranger", the second line in italics which suggests the sub-title colon separator is warranted. I question a number of the existing titles with a comma, but agree that your approach is correct for this publication. For content, there is an Introduction on page [7], signed "Isaac Asimov" and dated November 1970, although the copyright is 1971 and referred to as a foreword. The first printing of November 1971 suggests that 1971-11-00 is correct. The artist credit is based on a signature on the cover, as noted in the first printing (with a comma). Do I need to pull the other five in the series out when I put this one away? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 08:32, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
::I've contacted Nihonjoe about the rest of the series since he's the only active PV for them so you don't need to pull them out for me. I agree about the "Introduction" and think I should import [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?751153] to include it in this pub. Shall I go ahead and make the changes? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:36, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:::Better thee than me. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 14:09, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Re: The Chemicals of Life: Enzymes · Vitamins · Hormones ==<br />
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I'll fix the erroneous template - an artifact of my collating various sources. I could cancel, fix and re-submit but all the external entries would have to be re-typed. Looking forward to self-administration. Maybe just leave this one? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:20, 21 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Self-approver flag set ==<br />
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The self-approver flag has been set on your ISFDB account. Congratulations!<br />
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From now on, creating a submission will take you to the "Approve/Reject" Web page which will let you approve your own submissions. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:51, 24 February 2022 (EST)<br />
: To all and sundry who are responsible, I thank you. I've not yet chosen a name for my super-persona, although I'm leaning towards [https://discworld.fandom.com/wiki/Gods#Topaxi Topaxi]. :-) ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 12:21, 24 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:: I have some bad news for you - you are stuck with your original name ;) Have fun - and you know where everyone is if you ever need assistance! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:05, 24 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:::: In all my other ISFDB dealings, I'm still Holmesd, but when I push that approve button --- Topaxi !! ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 13:30, 24 February 2022 (EST)<br />
::::: As long as that persona can spot the typos of all your other personas, welcome to the fun to him as well. ;) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:14, 24 February 2022 (EST)<br />
::: Hi, Doug! Congratulations! (And have fun with the new possibilities!) Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:26, 24 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== MacVicar Cover ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:SCRTFTHLST1959.jpg; This is the wrong cover, isn't it? --[[User:Username|Username]] 00:02, 25 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:'Tis and thanks to self-approval, already fixed. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 08:17, 25 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Zoboa ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?262859 Zoboa], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+430 and add the title for the unsigned maps on pages [6]-[8] before I PV? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:42, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
:Sounds reasonable. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 07:59, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Day of the Triffids Artist. ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?286524I Day of the Triffids] I imported the Richard Powers credit from the first Crest edition. [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] 09:34, 30 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Appreciate the effort, but to be clear: The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?250638 first Crest edition] does not have this cover, the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?250639 second Crest edition], is the first with the illustration, is credited to Richard Powers, but does not quote a source, but the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?250640 third Crest edition] does credit Powers in the Notes. I've added it to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1035678 Title record] for the COVERART. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 12:02, 30 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Land That Time Forgot ==<br />
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Hi, You seem to have added the wrong cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?248740 this] edition. Please compare to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?254846 this], which has the correct artist (George Akimoto). ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?297399 This] is the Segrelles-covered edition.) Thanks! [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 19:14, 9 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
:You are correct, and hopefully now the entry is as well. The source has Segelles listed at the end of this entry, but as a separator and I goofed. Thanks for the pointer. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 19:33, 9 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Waif of the Cynthia ==<br />
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Happy New Year, 2021 and 2022!<br><br />
Seaside Library Pocket Edition #659 P{{p|761882}} is not one you have PVerified. <br />
Yet I report:<br><br />
Moments ago I submitted update to use the full publisher name George Munro, and revised your notes to specify that the stated sources give only the short name "Munro". ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5291560 submission])<br><br />
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By the way, your link jv.gilead.org.il now returns Internal Server Error. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 21:14, 11 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:No problem. Another site has mirrored gilead, just need to prefix with "julesverne.ca/". Also, they have images of the cover and the price is really 20 cents. I'm posting here so I'll remember to put this in after your submission is processed. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:21, 11 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Allan Quatermain [O] by Haggard and La Motte Fouqué ==<br />
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It seems to me your 6th and final paragraph should be the 3rd par, following "1927." If I understand correctly, pages [1]-266 carry the headers "Allan Quatermain" (?beginning p4 with the page numbering) and second series pages [93]-147 carry the headers "The Two Captains" (?beginning p96 with the second series page numbering). Except front matter before first p[1] and the Burt Catalogue as back matter, those are all the printed leaves in the book, 133+28 of them. <br />
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We should have a name for such books, akin to dos-a-dos. I have seen a few: full title page identifies only the first and foremost of contents; Surprise! contents follow their own interior half-title page(s). Some libraries miss the Surprise!, and may report simply 147 pages too. Re the pagination, Burt maybe issued a La Motte Fouqué collection in which "The Two Captains" text spans p[95]-147. <br />
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Did you read "Authorities" by "The writer of "Allan Quatermain." (probably missing one quotation mark)? Perhaps it should entered as ESSAY content. (If you send me its lead sentence, I will carry it sometimes and maybe once when I visit the big library, look for it in ''Allan Quatermain'' eds.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:47, 30 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
: I've touched up the text along the lines you suggested. I've chosen to leave it as an acknowledgement of sources rather than an essay, figuring the notes cover it well enough. As for "Authorities", I've emailed the entire contents to you. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 19:59, 30 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Understanding Physics ==<br />
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{{T|3029968|This}} and {{T|3029969|this}} appear to be the exact same omnibus. Am I missing something? Based on the notes, it seems like the only reason they are separate is to record the two dates? If so, that is not a valid use case. Titles are dated based on their first appearance only. The Barnes and Nobles data can be captured in the title notes or (the best approach) stub records created for the first printings of each edition. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:16, 25 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Out of Time's Abyss ==<br />
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According to The British Edgar Rice Burroughs Society facebook page and [https://www.erbzine.com/mag7/0766.html this website] cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?107621 this] i Dave Pether. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 13:36, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Quote the source in the update and I'll be happy. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 16:12, 6 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Raven Ring ==<br />
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Hi. For {{P|45918}} which I have just PVed, I was confused at the publication date which is listed in my copy as August 1995 whilst the record says December 1995. Checking the edit history, I see that User:Chris_J got this from locus1. Are you happy if I add the following notes:<br />
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* Publication month from locus1<br />
* Stated "First mass market edition: August 1995"<br />
* First printing by numberline<br />
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--[[User:AliHarlow|AliHarlow]] 05:26, 8 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
: I would be happy as it matches my copy. My only sorrow is that I missed it when I verified it and added the image. Thanks. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 17:24, 8 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Once and Future King ==<br />
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Cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?486846 this] is William Hatherell. It's titled The Rescue of Guinevere and dated 1910. See [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Hatherell wikipedia]. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 11:55, 26 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Asimov's Opus 100, Opus 200, Opus 300 ==<br />
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There appear to be duplicate titles for these three collections with one being marked as a COLLECTION and the other NONFICTION.<br />
Are the following title pairs the same?<br />
* {{T|38033}} & {{T|2928818}}<br />
* {{T|39451}} & {{T|2928819}}<br />
* {{T|2905552}} & {{T|2928820}}<br />
The initial Houghton Mifflin publications for each title pair seem the same except for their date.<br />
Also, note that according to Wikipedia these collections contain a mixture of fiction and nonfiction (as well as SF and non-genre works) by Asimov.<br />
--[[User:Riselka|Riselka]] 14:32, 27 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Out of town, will check next week. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 06:53, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:I suspect these pairs are identical and I will be removing the three I added. However, based on the contents, I believe these should be NONFICTION. I'll bring it up on the Community Forum. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 12:33, 10 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Lost Continent ==<br />
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According to a post on the The British Edgar Rice Burroughs Society Facebook page the cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?107541 this] is Bob Fowke. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 13:25, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Land of Hidden Men ==<br />
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Cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?211537 this] is Bob Fowke according to listings I've seen on Biblio and Advanced Book Exchange. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 13:30, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Times Without Number ==<br />
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Doug, I approved the change in publisher [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5401686 here], but not because of the submitter's reason. I found a scanned copy in the internet archive which shows 'Hamlyn Paperbacks' on the title page. I attached the link to the publication record. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:11, 27 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
: It was transient, so cannot check my copy. History shows no change to publisher so no idea what it was originally. Can you recall - seems something so obvious should have been there from the beginning. Bluesman and I seem to be the prime source of Canadian editions/printings, I'm just a bit concerned I wasn't notified of such a basic change. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 12:19, 28 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: The publisher was previously 'Hamlyn'. I counseled the editor to seek agreement with such changes in the future. I didn't think you would mind the change since I found the archive scan and your transient verification was so far in the past. If I'm wrong, I apologize. Do you agree with the change? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:44, 28 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: Back then, there were attempts to standardize publishers, so even if/though it said 'Hamlyn Paperbacks', I could see using simply 'Hamlyn', so find this to be perfectly reasonable. If it had been changed from "Canadian Press", I'd have expected questions. So, all is good. Thanks for chatting. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:25, 28 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== John Varley / Titan (map & diagram) ==<br />
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I am drawing your attention to [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#John_Varley_.2F_Titan_.28map_.26_diagram.29 this topic] on the Community Portal which affects a pub that you have PVd. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:29, 26 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?924221 Words of Science and the History Behind Them] ==<br />
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This verified pub. still has 'hence first edition' in its notes - seems to be somewhat strange. Could you take a second look? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:19, 3 December 2022 (EST)<br />
: The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?532529 1974 edition] is a new and revised edition, hence this is the first edition. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 14:32, 4 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:: But there was a 1959 edition - ten years before your verified publication, and by a different publisher: that's what made me think. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 05:44, 6 December 2022 (EST)<br />
::: Houghton Mifflin does hard-cover, Signet is a Canadian paperback reprinter. Thinking rarely hurt anyone. ;-) ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:10, 6 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:::: So, it seems the Signet is a new (second?) edition. Something like "First paperback edition" in the notes would clarify things, or do you disagree? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:05, 6 December 2022 (EST)<br />
::::: I"ve changed the text to original unrevised edition. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 16:42, 6 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Silent Warrior ==<br />
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Cover art for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?47237 this] is not Chris Achilleos. It's Alan M. Clarke. See [https://ifdpublishing.com/product/trilobite-returns-to-helvoran-large-print/ here] --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 06:18, 17 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:● I have added the correct credit to the artist, the web page that the artwork can be found on, and on the artworks’ page, the title of the work. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 15:20, 17 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Baxter - Proxima ==<br />
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Hi, I believe the Afterword [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?554396 here] should be correctly titled "Afterword (Proxima)" - please check. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 14:13, 11 January 2023 (EST)<br />
* That makes two believers, but hardly enough to start a religion. Change made. Thanks. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:08, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Re the line "Afterword dated to first Roc edition, no mention of afterword in earlier editions.". A look [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=Afterword+%28Proxima%29&type=All+Titles here] leads to the earlier Gollancz Afterword [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?422436 2013-09-00]. What am I missing? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:37, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::: What I was missing was going backwards through editions and not seeing it. Once more into the breach. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:49, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::Erm....once more? I think you might have missed deleting the Notes line "Afterword dated to first Roc edition, no mention of afterword in earlier editions." It's never-ending, it seems :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 03:00, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Two Adams titles ==<br />
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Hi Doug, you are PV'd [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?572762 here] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?572761 here]. Looking at this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?200789 Rupert Truman] summary page, would you have any objections to me adding the other 3 names to "The Restaurant at the End of the Universe" & "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" title pages? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:28, 22 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: Yes I would. The help entry for the Cover Art field states "The cover designer (as opposed to the cover artist) is only entered in this field if he or she also did (parts of) the cover art. Otherwise the cover designer can be recorded in the note field.". I try very hard to follow the rules. Putting this on an entries where I am the only verifier makes it look as if I didn't follow the rules. It also generates entries that can be used suggest that the rules should be changed to accommodate demand/desire. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 07:59, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::I completely understand what you're saying and respect your decision. I didn't raise this lightly and not because it looked as though there is precedent with the other titles and therefore everything should be done like that. We are seemingly at the whim of the publishers and how they annotate the crediting. With this whole Picador tranche of Adams' titles my opinion is that they commissioned these 4 people to collaborate together on the whole project; all of them getting together to decide what needed to be photographed and how the elements would all fit to create the final image. On the covers, the publisher separated out the photography credit. It's a question of interpretation, IMHO, and the line between designer and artist is becoming increasingly blurred by increasingly sophisticated digital manipulation. Anyway, enough of that... the straightforward application of 'Design' no, anything else yes (...sort of) is fine and I stick to that, going by what's on a book, it's just these unusual ones that cause problems. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 08:42, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Asimov - I, Robot - by Fawcett Crest ==<br />
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Hello Doug, re your {{P|479102|PV here}}, this is just a heads-up to point to my discussion with Tom [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Taweiss#Asimov_-_I.2C_Robot Taweiss] regarding Fawcett covers and this {{P|205285|1970 printing}}. You might find something there for yours. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 00:54, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ender's Shadow ==<br />
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You {{P|483390|PV}} seems to have a {{P|556122|duplicate}}. I'll submit a request to delete the latter, unless there's a reason not to. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] ([[User talk:Fjh|talk]]) 21:19, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Death To The Brothers Grimm ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5606480; After adding the link I noticed co-editor's name is spelled one way on title page but another way in intro, so I fixed that. When approved a variant will be needed. I also noticed it's spelled a 3rd way on copyright page (Pueschel, no middle initial) while bio is Pueschel, middle initial, so maybe that last one is the preferred name, possibly? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:10, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::As I no longer have access, the archive edition should be taken as gospel. I think the Pueschel is correct, so Pueschal is the variant. The existing entry for him if for a review, so I would give it less weight towards canonical and use Emory B. Pueschel. Then the review needs the variant as well as the anthology (introduction should be okay). I have also changed the name Emory Puschal to Emory Puschal (in error) and make it an alternate to the canonical. You can drop your submission and let me know it you think I've got it right now (self-moderation to the rescue). ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 12:23, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::OK, cancelled, new one with just Archive.org link added, should be approved...soon? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:32, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: I'm confused. I have updated the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?638474 original pub] to match your comments and the archive.org copy. I don't know why you would want to enter another one. I am self-moderating, meaning I can approve my own edits, but can't see or work with yours. My hope was that you would check the pub and see if you believe it to be correct as it stands. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 13:43, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::I cancelled my edit which added link + corrected editor name and made another one which just added the link since you took care of the names; it's already been approved. Done. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:08, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Biography of J. R. R. Tolkien: Architect of Middle Earth ==<br />
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I added some notes and the price to Your pv pub [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?955533 here]. Hope it's correct. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 18:36, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: It is correct. There was a price sticker on the printed price. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:17, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Paris in the Twentieth Century ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?371321; I've been adding links and ID and other stuff to all 4 editions of Verne's novel; in the case of this edition that you PV the cover artist is Mark on copyright page, not Marc, and page count is 222, not 223 (Library of Congress agrees with that). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:07, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I'm too trusting sometimes. Was able to find scanned images from that book and all is true. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:14, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Publication: Thuvia, Maid of Mars ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?286240<p><br />
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Does it actually say "January"? or just "First Four Square edition 1962" --[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] ([[User talk:Spacecow|talk]]) 17:40, 6 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
: If I put it in quotes, it's usually exactly as written, not that I haven't made mistakes. It's buried in one of a half-dozen boxes under the stairs in the basement, any particular reason for asking? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 22:15, 6 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Mine does not say "January", only "First Four Square edition 1962", that's why I was asking. --[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] ([[User talk:Spacecow|talk]]) 15:20, 8 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Twenty minutes and and only hitting my head once on low beams later, I found the copy and you are indeed correct. The other information in quotes is correct, so I don't know where the January came in. Thank you both for checking so carefully and being patient. I've removed the "January" from the pub. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 17:13, 8 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pellucidar ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5715361; A copy was uploaded on Archive.org way back in 2010 but nobody ever added the link so I did and I noticed the artist was wrong so I fixed that, assuming it's the same in your copy. If it's not, I will cancel and just add the link. If it is, after it's approved you'll need to variant to the artist's parent name, right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:51, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I had a load of Burroughs to enter about then. I see that all I did was verify with no updates so probably just missed the initial. The artist name is already a variant so I'm thinking that nothing else will need to be done on that front. When it's done I'll see if the COVERART needs something. P.S. in general, you should link to the publication, not your submission. Not everyone can see submissions. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 22:39, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Saberhagen, Zelazny - The Black Throne ==<br />
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Hello Doug, I'm adding Reginald3 ID# to your PV {{P|36105|pub here}}. As I'm adding a lot of Reg3 ID#s, could you let me know if you want to be notified every time I make those edits? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 13:30, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Also adding Reginald3 ID# here; {{P|43948|The Mask of Loki}}. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 14:02, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Only if there's a discrepancy. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:44, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Escape on Venus / Burroughs ==<br />
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Are these dups? [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?12554 EOV #1] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?855676 EOV #2]<br />
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I have a copy I'd like to PV, but it's not obvious which it applies to. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 02:39, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Based on many other Ballantine Burroughs, I'd suggest that 12554 is printed in the US and 855676 was printed in Canada is the distinction. If yours is Canadian, use that, if US, use the other and add it to the notes. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 10:49, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Hidden Years and Watchmen ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?597949; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5751517; Your PV is transient but in case you can get a copy again note that ISBN in HC is the same as the one you entered for TP, which seems odd, plus page count is different and page numbers weren't entered for your edition. In case you can/want to fix any of those. EDIT: I also added an Archive.org link to your PV of the 2008 $39.99 Moore / Gibbons Watchmen edition; I was so shocked that it was the same edition and not a later printing like so many of the other Watchmen copies on that site that I thought I'd mention it in case you want to give yours another look to fix/add anything since it's been almost 10 years since you PV it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:25, 24 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Re: Hidden Years. The impetus for the entry was a review, with additional information from an Amazon look-inside, as the Notes indicate. Anyone with a copy is free to correct any of the information I entered. Re: Archive.org link - the submission you gave was to a cloning of Hidden Years, not my copy. There was an Archive.org link in the clone. Re: Watchmen - I cannot see any changes on my verified Watchmen publication or any sign of a link to Archive.org, so I do not know what your are referring to. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 14:41, 27 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Because my edit for Watchmen wasn't approved yet, like the 1,200+ other edits I have waiting because the moderator approval system has completely broken down; so when I say I added something that usually means it's pending. I just thought that with a work of such importance to the genre you might want to take another look at it after all these years to add (or fix) anything you may have missed because things have changed a lot here in the 10 years or so since you PV it, but if you don't want to that's up to you. As for Hidden Years I've done so many edits since then that I've forgotten the specifics, so never mind, my edit will be approved sooner or later (probably later) and then you or someone else can decide whether anything needs fixing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:19, 27 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::You had been kind enough to include a link to your submission for Hidden Years that allowed me to follow your arguments. You did not, however, provide a link to the submission for the Watchmen, so I am unable to comment on any differences between my copy and the archive.org one. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:49, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5751519; I'm not really asking you to comment on any differences; all I did was provide an archived link in my Watchmen edit. You as PV actually still own the book, I assume, so I was asking if you wanted to look over the ISFDB page for it again and possibly add or fix anything to this very important work in the genre because since you PV it many years ago a lot of stuff has changed on this site and things that didn't exist back then may exist now. But it's up to you; if you don't want to, it's OK, at least there'll be a link there soon so people can read the book. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:55, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Dolphins of Pern ==<br />
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Hello. Re [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38553 this] publication.<br />
I've come across a quandry. A note on the 8th paperback printing states "'Map courtesy of Christine Levis' on copyright page. Signature "Christina Levis" at bottom right map.".<br />
I have in my hand the 1994 Bantam Books (UK) hardback edition. The map in my edition is indeed titled Ninth Pass Pern but there is no signature anywhere on the map and Christine Levis' name appears nowhere in my publication. Caption for my map has "© 1987 Niels Erickson. Oceanography information by P. Burr Loomis. Ocean current maps by Marilyn Alm" it's a gridded map with numbers horizontally 19 top & bottom left; 17 top & bottom right; and numbers vertically left/right 80 at top and bottom. Can you check your copy to see if the same map or a different one. I've submitted my edits. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 15:24, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Regrettably, [[https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BKTG10644 my verified copy]] was transient and the first edition. I hope you have better luck with Taweiss. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 22:26, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Norton - 'Ware Hawk ==<br />
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Hello Doug, with regard to {{P|24|this pub}}, I've posted to Dirk P Broer's page [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Dirk_P_Broer#Norton_-_.27Ware_Hawk here] and would appreciate your input. Thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 00:12, 10 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Proxima ==<br />
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Hi Doug, <br />
<br />
I am co-verifying [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?554396 the 3rd printing] and wanted to add the start page of the novel itself but the book gave me a pause. The start of the chapter (the word "One") is on [1]. But the few lines on the previous page are actually part of the novel IMO -- which would mean a page count of viii+504 and a starting page of [vii]. What do you think? I am happy to leave it as is and all this as a note as well if you prefer it that way. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:06, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I've not read the book, so I don't know if those few lines are a general dedication or related to the plot. Making it [vii] seems a bit weird, so the note is the way I would go. No problem either way though. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 18:20, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: I read it during my last trip - they are part of the book and tie to the very end of it (and presumably the next book). :) A note is fine. I will add it later. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:44, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Folklore of Diskworld ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1788694; Should it be Discworld? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:17, 22 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Checking. My copy is currently in another province. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 22:22, 22 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::My copy (7th printing) is indeed "Discworld". However, i don't know if the former printings are also false entries or if it was corrected for or up to the 7th. Therefore i'll wait with the edit for what you and the PV of the other earlier printings say and then decide if a title edit or a new title is necessary. [[User:Welo|Welo]] ([[User talk:Welo|talk]]) 07:26, 23 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Searching Archive.org for "preview from the folklore of discworld" found these 2 (both 2008 Corgi first printings), https://archive.org/search?query=%22preview+from+the+folklore+of+discworld%22&sin=TXT, while diskworld finds nothing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:03, 23 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Canadian Hobbit ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=0-458-92030-4&type=ISBN; I just made an edit adding the 4th printing (Magnum '77 w/ same price) but page count is 279, not 278, because last page has no number. Also, ISBN is the same on copyright page and back cover so are they really different on your copy as note here says? If so, I guess someone at the publisher noticed in the 4th or maybe 3rd printing and fixed it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:53, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Chromosomal Code ==<br />
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You are a PV for this title: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37082 I just submitted this edit to moderators: Submitting External ID (Goodreads) & web page 1 (a statement from the author on how he wrote this novel). Cheers. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 07:56, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Map of Chaos ==<br />
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Added cover scan, notes and external IDs to your PVd [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?514198 The Map of Chaos].[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] ([[User talk:SFJuggler|talk]]) 17:05, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Conan the Triumphant / number line ==<br />
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My copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?7798 Conan the Triumphant] doesn't have a number line. Yours? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 03:06, 4 January 2024 (EST)<br />
: No. First trade printing: October 1983, First mass market printing: April 1985. A TOR Book. Published by ... Cover art by Boris Vallejo. ISBN: 0-812-54242-8. CAN.ED.: 0-812-54243-6. Printed in the United States of America. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 11:07, 4 January 2024 (EST)</div>
Holmesd
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:THHBBTRTHF1978.jpg&diff=676848
File:THHBBTRTHF1978.jpg
2023-12-31T21:31:55Z
<p>Holmesd: {{CID1
|Title=The Hobbit or There and Back Again
|Edition=Methuen 1978 tp
|Pub=THHBBTRTHF1978
|Publisher=Methuen
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Holmesd}}</p>
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=The Hobbit or There and Back Again<br />
|Edition=Methuen 1978 tp<br />
|Pub=THHBBTRTHF1978<br />
|Publisher=Methuen<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Holmesd]]}}</div>
Holmesd
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:TFTHSLNTPD0000.jpg&diff=676847
File:TFTHSLNTPD0000.jpg
2023-12-31T21:31:10Z
<p>Holmesd: {{CID1
|Title=Out of the Silent Planet
|Edition=Collier Books Unknown year pb
|Pub=TFTHSLNTPD0000
|Publisher=Collier Books
|Artist=Emanuel Schongut
|ArtistId=26609
|Source=Scanned by User:Holmesd}}</p>
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=Out of the Silent Planet<br />
|Edition=Collier Books Unknown year pb<br />
|Pub=TFTHSLNTPD0000<br />
|Publisher=Collier Books<br />
|Artist=Emanuel Schongut<br />
|ArtistId=26609<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Holmesd]]}}</div>
Holmesd
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:FRGFDRKNSS0000.jpg&diff=676547
File:FRGFDRKNSS0000.jpg
2023-12-26T23:06:05Z
<p>Holmesd: {{CID1
|Title=Forge of Darkness
|Edition=Bantam Books (UK) Unknown year pb
|Pub=FRGFDRKNSS0000
|Publisher=Bantam Books (UK)
|Artist=Steve Stone
|ArtistId=25978
|Source=Scanned by User:Holmesd}}</p>
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=Forge of Darkness<br />
|Edition=Bantam Books (UK) Unknown year pb<br />
|Pub=FRGFDRKNSS0000<br />
|Publisher=Bantam Books (UK)<br />
|Artist=Steve Stone<br />
|ArtistId=25978<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Holmesd]]}}</div>
Holmesd
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:FLLFLGHTDN2017.jpg&diff=676546
File:FLLFLGHTDN2017.jpg
2023-12-26T22:58:01Z
<p>Holmesd: {{CID1
|Title=Fall of Light
|Edition=Bantam Books (UK) 2017 pb
|Pub=FLLFLGHTDN2017
|Publisher=Bantam Books (UK)
|Artist=Steve Stone
|ArtistId=25978
|Source=Scanned by User:Holmesd}}</p>
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=Fall of Light<br />
|Edition=Bantam Books (UK) 2017 pb<br />
|Pub=FLLFLGHTDN2017<br />
|Publisher=Bantam Books (UK)<br />
|Artist=Steve Stone<br />
|ArtistId=25978<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Holmesd]]}}</div>
Holmesd
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:THGDSNTWLL0000.jpg&diff=676545
File:THGDSNTWLL0000.jpg
2023-12-26T22:40:22Z
<p>Holmesd: {{CID1
|Title=The God Is Not Willing
|Edition=Bantam Books (UK) Unknown year tp
|Pub=THGDSNTWLL0000
|Publisher=Bantam Books (UK)
|Artist=Steve Stone
|ArtistId=25978
|Source=Scanned by User:Holmesd}}</p>
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=The God Is Not Willing<br />
|Edition=Bantam Books (UK) Unknown year tp<br />
|Pub=THGDSNTWLL0000<br />
|Publisher=Bantam Books (UK)<br />
|Artist=Steve Stone<br />
|ArtistId=25978<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Holmesd]]}}</div>
Holmesd
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:KLLNVDSRCH2020.jpg&diff=676543
File:KLLNVDSRCH2020.jpg
2023-12-26T22:17:30Z
<p>Holmesd: {{CID1
|Title=Kellanved's Reach
|Edition=Bantam Press 2020 tp
|Pub=KLLNVDSRCH2020
|Publisher=Bantam Press
|Artist=Steve Stone
|ArtistId=25978
|Source=Scanned by User:Holmesd}}</p>
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=Kellanved's Reach<br />
|Edition=Bantam Press 2020 tp<br />
|Pub=KLLNVDSRCH2020<br />
|Publisher=Bantam Press<br />
|Artist=Steve Stone<br />
|ArtistId=25978<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Holmesd]]}}</div>
Holmesd
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Wjmvanruth&diff=676542
User talk:Wjmvanruth
2023-12-26T22:09:35Z
<p>Holmesd: /* Deadhouse Landing - artist */ new section</p>
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<div>[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Wjmvanruth/archive_2014-2016 2014-2016 Archive page].<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
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It seems to work OK. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 17:25, 6 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
:Ok thank you very much. [[User:Wjmvanruth|William]] 17:41, 6 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Thongor a la cité des dragons ==<br />
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When you see this link [http://www.noosfere.org/icarus/livres/niourf.asp?numlivre=7879] the translator is François Truchaud. What to do? [[User:Wjmvanruth|William]] 17:47, 6 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
:In fact there are two similarly titled <i>Thongor et la cité des dragons</i>, the first initially titled <i>Thongor et le magicien de Lémurie</i> (translated by Truchaud) corresponds to <i>The Wizard of Lemuria</i>, the second (translated by Fagne) corresponds to <i>Thongor of Lemuria</i> and will be retitled <i>Thongor et la cité de la flamme</i>. Our data is thus correct. I've inserted a warning at title level. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 17:59, 6 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
::Thank you. [[User:Wjmvanruth|William]] 18:01, 6 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Preface and postfaces in ''Demain les chiens'' ==<br />
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Hi. I should have asked before accepting: In {{P|569742|Demain les chiens}}, are the Preface and Postface titled as you have them? If they are simply titled "Preface" and "Postface", we would put the disambiguation in parentheses and not use a colon. If they are presented as recorded, that's fine.<br />
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Also, I think you should disambiguate {{T|2003061|Postface de l'auteur}}. I assume other books could likewise have a postface using that title but otherwise completely different. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:47, 9 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:I have the info from [http://www.noosfere.org/icarus/livres/niourf.asp?numlivre=2146586089 this site] they have no colons also at the end of the book there is a préface but that is a introduction. Isn't an introduction supposed to be in the beginning from the book? Maybe we better erase the post en préface until it is verified.[[User:Wjmvanruth|William]] 01:59, 9 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::You should use the titles the source has. If they are a "Standard" title -- a title likely to be used by the same author elsewhere, for a different work, such as "Introduction", "Author's Note", "Foreword", etc. -- we add the publication's title in parentheses. But if they do something strange, such as placing "Préface" at the end of the book, we do not change the title. From what I see in your source, I think you should use:<br />
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::* Préface de l'auteur (Demain les chiens)<br />
::* Avant-Propos de l'auteur (Demain les chiens)<br />
::* Préface (Demain les chiens)<br />
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::We cannot know if those are the true titles, but the source does present them that way (as opposed to, for example, saying something like "containing introductory remarks by the author"), so I think it's fine to capture them. Does that make sense? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 03:04, 9 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ok it does make sense , I wil make the changes. Thank you.[[User:Wjmvanruth|William]] 03:07, 9 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
::::Note that the famous "préface" is indicated in the blurb as being a "postface" which is quite logical. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 06:19, 9 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::: I changed it it was also mentioned on the backcover from the book, missed the blurb thou, thank you.[[User:Wjmvanruth|William]] 06:25, 9 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Author's name from noosfere ==<br />
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Hello, I would like to advise caution when entering pseudonyms based on noosfere's data. They're generally unreliable when faced with names with a middle initial that had "evolved" with time. Plus the fact that they seem to go with the name on cover only. For example [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?350580 this publication] is really as by "Robert L. Forward" on title page (thus our credit) and is considered by noosfere as being by "Robert Forward" [http://www.noosfere.com/icarus/livres/niourf.asp?numlivre=6558 here] (note that they made the same mistake for the tp) likely as per cover. In fact all entries based on noosfere that I PV must be extensively modified (pub date, number of pages, artist credit, author exact name...). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 05:54, 30 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
:Ok, thank you.[[User:Wjmvanruth|William]] 05:59, 30 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== De Rivierplaneet ==<br />
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Replaced the cover of this book [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?506563]] with a better picture. --Rias --[[User:Zlan52|Zlan52]] 09:46, 31 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
:Ok , thank you.[[User:Wjmvanruth|William]] 11:18, 31 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== "'Protocoles d; usage" ==<br />
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I approved all your recent variants, however does [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2014867 this one] need a correction for an apostrophe instead of a semi-colon? Thanks for checking. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 08:33, 8 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
:Thank you, I changed it.[[User:Wjmvanruth|William]] 10:19, 8 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Rivages ==<br />
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Hello, concerning your recent additions, note that the books that noosfere lists under "Rivages" are for us edited by "Payot" in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?4741 Rivages/Fantasy] publication series. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 13:03, 10 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
:I noticed, thank you.[[User:Wjmvanruth|William]] 14:54, 10 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Jan Polacek ==<br />
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Assuming [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2024462 Jan Polacek] is also [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?184905 Jan Poláček]? [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 04:06, 30 June 2016 (UTC)\<br />
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;Yes I assume also, but I wrote the name just how it is written.[[User:Wjmvanruth|William]] 04:08, 30 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Rejected in Error ==<br />
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Sorrry, I hit the wrong button and rejected your submission to make a variant of Celle qui a tous les dons—The Girl with All the Gifts. Please resubmit.--[[User:Rkihara|Rkihara]] 02:30, 3 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
:Ok no problem.[[User:Wjmvanruth|William]] 04:25, 3 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Added artist ==<br />
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Hello. I added the cover artist to your verified second printing of the ace double by Chandler (pub 547040). It was already in the notes, but not listed in the pub record. Jack 03:10, 11 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Unmerge of La grande roue ==<br />
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I'm rejecting your edit to unmerge "[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2039933 La grande roue]" because the title has a different translator. An unmerge isn't going to accomplish what you are attempting which is to have a new title for that story in ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?581850 Territoires de l'inquiétude: Tome 6]'' for the different translation. You actually need to do several edits to accomplish this sort of change. First you should edit the anthology to add a new content title record for "La grande roue". To make the next step easier, I usually also change the page number of the existing story that you want to replace to "delete". After that edit is approved, you should then use the "Remove Titles From This Pub" tool to remove the story that you marked delete in the previous step. The order of these steps doesn't actually matter, but doing it this way keeps the data being deleted available for reference while you still may want to refer to it. After those edits are done, you can then make the new title a variant of "[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?58371 The Black Ferris]", and add a note indicating the translator, if known. If not known, we probably still want to add a note that the translation differs from the other one, so the titles don't get re-merged. The unmerge tool that you used would have created a new collection with the title "La grande roue", which isn't what we want. That tool is intended used when you want to split novels or "container" type titles like collections, anthologies, nonfiction, etc. It is a bit confusing and I made the same error myself when I first began editing here. Let me know if you have any questions. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:38, 14 August 2016 (UTC)<br />
:Sorry to intervene (it's probably initially my fault), but the method was in fact correct (there's a display bug at unmerge level that I tried to point to but without success as my explanations weren't probably very clear). In this case, the unmerge gives you a SHORTSTORY titled <i>La grande roue</i> (dated 1993) as requested, a title that would have simply to be varianted (with translator's data added). I've done this for you, result is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?58371 here]. Note that we may have some surprises when someone will PV the anthology as it's quite surprising to see that the publisher seems to have commissioned a new translation (by Chambon) for a text for which they own a previous translation (by Bonnefoy), we'll see in due time. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 13:04, 14 August 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: Everything seems to be ok now, thank you. [[User:Wjmvanruth|William]] 13:12, 14 August 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== L'oeil de la sybille ==<br />
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Hello, are you sure that the text is not titled <i>L'oeil de la sibylle</i> instead? [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 11:44, 18 August 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Tant qu'il y a de la vie... ==<br />
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Hello, by merging the two occurrences of this text, you changed the title of the Folio-published ones to <i>Tant qu'il y a de la vie</i> although the title is indeed <i>Tant qu'il y a de la vie...</i> (with ellipsis) i.e. for us a different title. Please avoid making such changes (that will have to be reversed) without consulting the PVs. Note that, in this case, you did regularize the title to the unverified occurence and neglected the verified one, which is, IMHO, not a very good idea (I've already alerted you to the variable quality of noosfere's details, and it may finally emerge that the first title also has ellipsis). Please refrain from doing this in the future. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 12:15, 18 August 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''L'intégrale Z'' ==<br />
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Hello Wjmvanruth, do you confirm the presence of the article ('''''L’'''intégrale Z'') on the title page ? There is none on the cover (''Intégrale Z''). If this difference does exist, it might be a good idea to indicate it in the notes. I'll hold the submission until your response. Thanks, [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 08:09, 26 August 2016 (UTC).<br />
:Le carneval de l'extinction is supposed to be shortfiction instead of an article, sorry made the mistake. [[User:Wjmvanruth|William]] 13:38, 26 August 2016 (UTC)<br />
::I have approved your submission and made a few corrections : removed the article, despite the fact nooSFere ''et al.'' put one : the only tangible thing is here the cover, in the absence of a scan of the title page. I also replaced ESSAY by SHORTFICTION and corrected the spelling of "Le carnaval de l'extinction" (not ''carneval''). Thanks, [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 14:17, 26 August 2016 (UTC).<br />
::: Ok thank you and sorry again. [[User:Wjmvanruth|William]] 14:19, 26 August 2016 (UTC)<br />
::::No problem, you are welcome. [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 15:10, 26 August 2016 (UTC).<br />
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== Attanasio's ''Radix'' ==<br />
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Uploaded a cover scan of our verified pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27257 Radix] that is much clearer than the Amazon image. Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 08:44, 7 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Hermetic Millennia ==<br />
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I accepted your edit to {{P|428232|The Hermetic Millennia}}. You have primary verified it, but you left in the "Data from Amazon (date) and Locus Magazine #636 as of 2014-01-10." When a publication is primary verified, it is assumed the information comes from the pub. If any information comes from secondary sources, it should be stated what information. This note says the date comes from Amazon, but not what comes from Locus Magazine. If everything else comes from the book, that part should be removed. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 22:51, 2 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
: No problem, I changed it, now al data comes from the book. [[User:Wjmvanruth|William]] 22:57, 2 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Wolf in Shadow ==<br />
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I've replaced the Amazon cover art for {{P|232613|Wolf in Shadow}} with a scan of my copy. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 09:02, 15 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== HTML tags ==<br />
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Hello, can you please pay a closer attention to your use of diverse HTML tags, they sometimes require maintenance at moderator level (they need to be closed or be paired correctly). It will decrease our workload. Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 10:27, 15 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
:Ok, will do. [[User:Wjmvanruth|William]] 10:35, 15 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: Join the club. I got pulled up on this today as well. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 12:58, 15 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::Yep. In fact, I mentioned this as some (yours but not only) submissions need corrections (a slash missing, a ")" instead of a ">", a closing tag omitted) because it tends to mess up the display in various ways. I usually correct this on the spot (there's something funny on the screen) but it takes some time and moderator's time is for the time being in sometimes short supply, particularly if we don't want contributors to leave because there's too much time between submission and approval. As I'm not a native english speaker, I'm sorry if my terms might have seemed too harsh. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 13:24, 15 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Reject ==<br />
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Hello, I had to reject some of your submissions because it was impossible to variant the title records. The original title records wasn't found. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 08:50, 1 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
:I found the title records and had them varianted, so no problem, thank you. [[User:Wjmvanruth|William]] 16:02, 1 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== "Escape From Hell" ==<br />
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I replaced the Amazon cover for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?304741 Escape From Hell] by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle with a scanned image. [[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 04:39, 11 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== "End of All Things" ==<br />
I replaced the Amazon cover for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?574899 this pub] of ''The End of All Things'' by John Scalzi with a scanned image. [[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 23:12, 19 November 2016 (UTC) (sorry - forgot the title [[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 05:14, 20 November 2016 (UTC))<br />
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== Duba de Drakenrijder ==<br />
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Hello, I've approved your submission [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?595880 here] but there is perhaps something missing in the publisher's name. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 18:07, 30 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== De HeksExpress ==<br />
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Hello, the language of this publication is set to English. Can you confirm? [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 18:10, 30 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
:Sorry for this, I wil pay more attention to detail, thak you.[[User:Wjmvanruth|William]] 18:12, 30 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Iiakah en de Sleutel van het Universum'' ==<br />
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I saw your note about the non-genre and graphic format defaulting on {{T|2093600|Iiakah en de Sleutel van het Universum}}. I did not change them for the moment, and I will let Ahasuerus know that there may be a problem. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:33, 1 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
:Ok thank you.[[User:Wjmvanruth|William]] 12:36, 1 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: The bug has been fixed and the data has been corrected. Sorry about the aggravation! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:38, 1 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: No problem, thank you. [[User:Wjmvanruth|William]] 13:41, 1 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Proloog (De Verloren Verhalen ) ==<br />
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Hello, I've approved your submission then I've reverted as I'm not sure that SHORTFICTION should be disambiguated (see for example the english that is just entered <i>Foreword</i>. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 13:33, 7 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
:Ok thank you. [[User:Wjmvanruth|William]] 14:12, 7 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Stormbringer ==<br />
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I've added 'other prices' to {{P|150201|Stormbringer}}. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 17:38, 18 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Studio M vs Steve Stone ==<br />
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Hi, In your verified copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?508449 De Ware Heks] credit is given to 'Studio M' for the cover art. Could it be that they are only responsible for the ''cover design'' -the lettering, the size of the illustration, etc- and that the real artist is '''Steve Stone''', who also did this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1353868 A Sorcerer's Treason]?--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 12:55, 5 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
:It could be, that he is responcible for the artwork, but on the copyright page it shows cover illustration: Studio M, maybe they used the artwork of Steve Stone, but I couldn't find it on his webpage, but that is also not complete I think.[[User:Wjmvanruth|William]] 13:25, 5 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
::If you click [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1353868 A Sorcerer's Treason] you see the exact same illustration, only with different lettering.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 13:32, 5 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
:::I did, but they are not verified yet, what to do change or not, an opinion?[[User:Wjmvanruth|William]] 15:15, 5 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
:::Changed it to Steve Stone with a reference to Locus Magazine in the notes.18:46, 5 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Mikzura Salgin vs Mitzura Salgian ==<br />
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Hi, In your verified copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?511408 De Tanjian] credit for the cover art is given to Mikzura Salgin. Can this be a typo -either by you or the publisher- for Mitzura Salgian? See e.g. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2038709 Floating City].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 13:31, 5 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
:I checked and it must be the Publisher, it is not the first time I come across such a thing, I will change it, and mention it in the notes, that it is probably a typo.[[User:Wjmvanruth|William]] 15:13, 5 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Kinderen van God ==<br />
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Hello, artist found for your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?507814 here]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 16:52, 7 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Picture Box vs Masakatsu Yamazaki ==<br />
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HI, I've got another case of possible mistaken cover credit by the publisher: You give Picture Box as cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1838001 Kinderen van God], while in the original English version -[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1575571 Children of God]- the same art is credited to Masakatsu Yamazaki.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 20:14, 7 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
:Already changed by moderator Hauck.[[User:Wjmvanruth|William]] 21:11, 8 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== The Long Earth ==<br />
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Can you check your copy of {{P|413506|The Long Earth}}. The Notes say that it has a Canadian price ($17.95) on the back. My copy only has the UK price. If yours does have the Canadian price then maybe the Notes should indicate that some copies have the Canadian Price? There is a Canadian priced version listed but this is priced at C$12.95. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 15:54, 24 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
:My copy has both the UK price £7.99 and the Canadian price C$17.95 on the back.[[User:Wjmvanruth|William]] 01:37, 25 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Puzzles of the Black Widowers ==<br />
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I've changed the title of what we had as the afterword to Asimov's ''Puzzles of the Black Widowers'' to "[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1051937 Afterword (The Recipe)]" as a result of [[User talk:Rtrace#Puzzles of the Black Widowers|this discussion]]. This affects how the title is shown in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?177965 your verified copy]. Upon examination, the afterword is for the last story and not for the collection as a whole. I've also added the afterwords to the other stories in the US printing which you can import to your copy if you wish. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:37, 2 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
:Thank you.[[User:Wjmvanruth|William]] 01:50, 3 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Waiters on the Dance ==<br />
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I've replaced the Amazon Cover art for {{P|268065|Waiters on the Dance}} with a scan of my copy. Also updated the Notes. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 16:12, 15 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Beyond the Outer Mirr ==<br />
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Replaced Cover Art for {{P|268066|Beyond the Outer Mirr}} and added to the Notes. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 16:22, 15 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== The Archives of Haven ==<br />
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Replaced Cover Art and updated Notes for {{P|20178|The Archives of Haven}}. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 16:27, 15 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Stranglers' Moon ==<br />
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I've added the Printing History and source of the Cover Artist to {{P|131351|Stranglers' Moon}}. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 12:31, 24 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Masters of the Vortex ==<br />
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I've replaced the Amazon cover art for {{P|131331|Masters of the Vortex}} with a scan of my copy (slightly less dog-eared). --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 17:36, 24 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?588970 Star of the Sea]'' ==<br />
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I changed the publisher to remove the parent company of the imprint being named, because no other Abaddon books do so. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 15:11, 30 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Changes to John G. Hemry/Jack Campbell pubs ==<br />
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I am changing John G. Hemry's canonical name to Jack Campbell; this is affecting some issues of ''Analog'' that you verified. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 18:00, 31 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Wireless ==<br />
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Can you check your verified copy of {{P|516235|Wireless}} to see if it matches the Cover Art displayed? My copy of <I>Wireless</I> matches your description but has the same Cover Art as {{P|321310|this}}. The only difference between the 2 versions is that your version indicates it's a <b>tp</b> whereas the other version indicates it's a <b>pb</b>, also the other version has a Publication Date of <I>2010-07-01</I>. I actually believe that they are referencing the same version as amazon.co.uk has a Publication Date of 1 July 2010 and from the size it is a Paperback. Unfortunately the Verifier of the other version is no longer active. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 11:01, 10 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
:I checked it with my copy and you are correct about the cover, and its a tp and not a pb, I also adapted the date, thank you.[[User:Wjmvanruth|William]] 11:45, 10 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Bob Morane ==<br />
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Hello, I've rejected your submissions for marking some Bob Morane titles as "juvenile". A bit like Doc Savage, he's an adult hero and his books are usually for adults (even if they are probably also read by late teens as their appearance in the Bibliothèque Verte attests). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 06:28, 27 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:I rejected some of your submissions marking titles as "juvenile". Though they may be marked as "young-adult horror", this doesn't mean that they are juvenile (for Stephen King's ''The Eyes of the Dragon'' especially, this tag seems to be out of place; for the anthologies the tag may be appropriate for some of the shortfictions, but surely not for all). Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:05, 4 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
::I concur with Christian, I've approved nearly the totality of your submissions but had sometimes reservations about them. As I was not in favor of this flag (and the others) my position is to let those that seem to feel strongly about it operate without hindrance from me. But to frank, you're lucky to have avoided so far the interminable debates that may stem from some of your "juvenile" categoriazations (from King to Heinlein and texts in "adult" magazines). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 17:32, 4 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Jondelle ==<br />
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Replaced Amazon cover art for {{P|247221|Jondelle}} with a scan of my copy, added the Printing History. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 10:16, 5 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Jack of Swords ==<br />
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For {{P|310605|Jack of Swords}} the signature <b>Kirby</b> is on the front cover (below the boot second from the right). I've added the Printing History to the record. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 11:42, 5 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== The Ghost Brigade ==<br />
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I had entered a duplicate pub to your verified copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270164 this pub]. My [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?544391 entry] includes the acknowledgements as an essay on page 345, and notes on the Canadian price and the author credit. If you and MartyD are good with these changes, I'll update this pub and delete my entry. [[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 21:14, 13 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
:It's fine with me, so go ahead.[[User:Wjmvanruth|William]] 22:59, 14 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
::Done. Thanks. [[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 18:52, 16 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Demon ==<br />
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Replaced small Cover Art with a larger version for {{P|9810|Demon}}. Also added the Printing History. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 09:19, 19 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Falling Free ==<br />
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{{P|281229|Falling Free}}: I removed the "Data from Amazon.com as of 2008-12-00." from the notes of this pub since you have verified it. Secondary sources should only be included in primary verified pubs if they have information that is not in the actual pub. In that case, there should be a specific statement of what information comes from the secondary source. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 21:54, 31 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Sundiver ==<br />
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Please check your {{p|509572|Sundiver}} to see if it has one or two drawings on the pair of pages after the Contents page. For some reason we have separate title records for each drawing. I don't think you'll need to fix anything. I wanted to verify there are two drawings. The first of the drawings is labeled "The Sunship" over "Side View". The second of the pair is labeled "The Sunship" over "Top View". Thank you. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 07:52, 13 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== The Algebraist ==<br />
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Is this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?508839] really a mass-market paperback? Or is it a trade paperback? Mass market books use binding "pb" and the trade versions use the binding code "tp". I'm curious because I'm specifically looking for mass market books that fit in my bookshelves, and most of Banks later paperback publications appear in trade size only. For example, Amazon only sells it in the trade size. Thanks [[User:Sjmathis|Sjmathis]] 21:21, 13 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
:This edition is a mass-market edition, 17,6 cm tall and 10,7 cm wide, does this answer your question, I hope so, your welcome.[[User:Wjmvanruth|William]] 23:05, 15 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
::Yes and thank you very much. I guess Amazon US doesn't sell it in that size. I found it for sale on Amazon UK, but they state the size as "0.3 x 0.3 x 0.3 cm", which isn't very helpful. Jack [[User:Sjmathis|Sjmathis]] 13:40, 16 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== CreateSpace ==<br />
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According to discussions [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#What_counts_as_a_publication_for_an_e-book.3F here] and [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Defining_.22Publisher.22_in_a_self-publishing_world here], CreateSpace isn't a publisher, but rather a printing and production service (a subsidiary of Amazon, which is probably why they insist on naming it in the "publisher" space on their pages). So we don't list it as a publisher here, instead leaving a blank space (currently -- even though the help says to put the author name; I believe that the help will be updated, but -- as with every other discussion! -- the discussion is still ongoing.) Therefore, I'd like to change all of your verified publications that list CreateSpace -- [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?510506 The Clown Caper], and maybe others I haven't found yet. Thanks! --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 18:06, 23 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
:Fine with me, thanks.[[User:Wjmvanruth|William]] 07:24, 26 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== βehemoth ==<br />
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Please see [[User_talk:Bluesman#βehemoth]]. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 02:52, 28 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Legenden ==<br />
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Hello, in your verified {{P|514379|Legenden}}, you had 4 pairs of interior art (maps) that were named the same way and were from the same artist. I had added the <nowiki>[2]</nowiki> disambiguation to the second appearances of the same title to differentiate them on the artist pages and in the books and to prevent their merging by mistake at a later date. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:16, 4 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== De tiran van Toy ==<br />
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Added note about the cover art of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?506888 this] publication. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 07:43, 17 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Kinderen van Armageddon ==<br />
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I put in a request to remove the cover link from your verified pub {{p|514984|Kinderen van Armageddon}}. The image is no longer showing and is apparently dead. I couldn't find a replacement.--[[User:Auric|Auric]] 15:06, 18 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
:I updated the file with a new image.[[User:Wjmvanruth|William]] 15:40, 18 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Data from the Royal Dutch Library ==<br />
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In my changed verifications I see you updated a number of titles from the Gradivus SF series. You added the price and a link to the Royal Dutch Library (see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?521243 his one]. However, the link is a search result, and the data you searched for are not remembered by the site (I get the message 'Ik ben uw resultaten vergeten' when I click on the link). However, you have the option to go to a permalink (see [http://opc4.kb.nl/DB=1/XMLPRS=Y/PPN?PPN=801800080 here], this is what you get when you click the blue icon at the bottom with 'perma' in white), and that is the link you should put in the notefield. (I personally prefer [http://picarta.pica.nl/DB=3.9/SET=28/TTL=1/ De Nederlandse Bibliografie] for this. It looks the same, and has the same data as the Royal Dutch Library, but also has data from other sources). --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 11:26, 3 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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: Are these URLs stable? If so, we could add them as "external identifiers" along the lines of OCLC, BNF, etc. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:38, 3 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:: Yes, these are permanent links. As I said, I prefer the 'http://picarta.pica.nl/xslt/DB=3.9/XMLPRS=Y/PPN?PPN=#' link. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:54, 3 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks, I'll see what I can do. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:24, 3 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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::::Thank you, I wil make the changes with the name Nederlandse Bibliografie.[[User:Wjmvanruth|William]] 10:02, 4 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Bestias ==<br />
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Hello, I've approved your submission but had to delete your synopsis. All "paratext" (notes, synopsis, talk pages, etc...) in the db should be in english. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 14:50, 6 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Changed cover GODIN ==<br />
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I have uploaded a better cover for GODIN by Trudi Canavan.<br />
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[[User:Keesbs|Keesbs]] 14:46, 17 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Angado ==<br />
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Hello, please do not add a price to my PVed publication when I've taken the pain to specify "No price on book". There is NO price on the book and, in such, cases, the price is fixed nearly freely by the retailers. Thanks. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 11:28, 27 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
:Ok, no problem.[[User:Wjmvanruth|William]] 12:01, 27 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Thongor of Lemuria ==<br />
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Hello, I didn't see your notification for the addition of a cover artist to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?199593 this pub that I PVed]. Please remember to respect our etiquette and to follow the stated preferences of the PVs when you're adding/changing data, this will allow them to check up things. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 06:35, 30 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Nederlandse Bibliografie links ==<br />
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You probably missed [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#De_Nederlandse_Bibliografie_publication_number_added_as_a_supported_external_ID this message] on the community portal. It is no longer neccessary to link to the Nederlandse Bibliografie in the notefield, you can now select "PPN" in the external IDs dropout list and just enter the number of the permalink. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:PublicationFields:ExternalIDs this page] for all the possibilities. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 06:02, 31 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
:Missed it yes, thank you.[[User:Wjmvanruth|William]] 10:50, 31 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Eddings maps ==<br />
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Hello, you're the PV for several Dutch pubs of Eddings books, and another user is attempting to variant the maps that are listed as INTERIORART records in those pubs. I have those edits on hold because the dates of the Dutch maps precede the date of the English maps they are attempting to variant them to. See the discussion on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Gzuckier#Map_Variants gzuckier's talk page]. I didn't see a reason in the pub notes for the dating of the maps; can you shed some light on this? Thanks, [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 16:09, 9 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Storm over Melniboné ==<br />
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Added note about cover art of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?506655 this] publication, and probable artist Brian Froud. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 07:51, 18 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:I found proof of the artist being Brian Froud, so I added the credit and adapted the notes. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 16:48, 8 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== The Devi's Alternative ==<br />
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Do you know why this book [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1096213 The Devil's Alternative] by Frederick Forsyth is in the database? I know that the title has the word "Devil" in it and the synopsis on the back page talks about World War III [<I>In June 1982 an economic crisis in Russia - and a political struggle at the highest levels - force the Soviet leaders to consider an invasion of Western Europe. Only one man - Adam Munro, an agent for the British Intelligence Service - has the information needed to prevent World War III</I>]. However I don't believe that it contains any references to magic or aliens. I believe it should be deleted? --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 05:30, 20 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
:That's also my opinion. I'm going to delete the lot. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 06:56, 20 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
::No, I have the Dutch translation, but I haven't read it yet , so normally he writes thrillers, but I really can't say of it belongs on thuis site, my opinion, it does not, I juist added the book, the English titel was already there. [[User:Wjmvanruth|William]] 14:49, 20 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Galactic Empires ==<br />
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Added notes and corrected page count on your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?258211 Galactic Empires].[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 00:07, 22 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== De Laatste God ==<br />
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Cover artist of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?506838 this] is Jürgen Rogner, see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?571490 THX 1138: Das Drogen-Paradies]. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 06:43, 13 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
:Thank you.[[User:Wjmvanruth|William]] 08:50, 13 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
::Edit approved, but I changed the artist from 'Jürgen F. Rogner' to 'Jürgen Rogner'. If credit comes from a secondary source, we credit the canonical name of the author, not the speudonym. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 10:17, 13 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Paladin of Souls ==<br />
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Updated the Printing History for {{P|267292|Paladin of Souls}}. Replaced Amazon cover art with a scan of my copy. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 16:40, 20 October 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== On the Steel Breeze ==<br />
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Cover artist Abi Hartshorne found for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?509966 this pub] [https://www.gollancz.co.uk/2015/01/cover-reveal-poseidons-wake/ here]. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 13:06, 1 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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== Dutch Burroughs publisher ==<br />
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You had verified three publications in [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Willem_H.#Dutch_Burroughs_publisher this] discussion. Please add any comments there. Thank you. [[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 15:37, 5 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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== Hoog Onder het Dak ==<br />
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Hi, I think [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2296833 Hoog Onder het Dak] is a variant of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?82066 Up Under the Roof]. Note the author name.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 10:51, 16 December 2017 (EST)<br />
:Thank you, so the s from Wase in the book was a misprint.[[User:Wjmvanruth|William]] 10:54, 16 December 2017 (EST)<br />
:And yes, I looked at the source in the end of the book and there the name was Manly Wade Wellman.[[User:Wjmvanruth|William]] 10:58, 16 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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== Swords of Mars - added other prices to note. ==<br />
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Added other international pricing to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?288444 this] pub of Edgar Rice Burroughs "Swords of Mars". [[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 10:24, 8 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Synthetic Men of Mars ==<br />
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Replaced Amazon image with scan in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?283481 this] pub. [[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 21:44, 16 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Het Magiërsgilde (map) ==<br />
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Should {{T|1910530|Het Magiërsgilde (map) }} be INTERIORART instead of SHORTFICTION? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:43, 4 March 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Kaz, the Minotaur ==<br />
{{P|509695|Kaz, the Minotaur}} is given with a comma, but the container title is {{T|17071|Kaz the Minotaur}}. Would you mind double checking especially since the other verified printing of this edition doesn't have the comma? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:18, 23 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
:I checked and it has a comma on the title page. Sorry for being late.[[User:Wjmvanruth|William]] 16:58, 7 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
::I updated the container title & made the one version that appears to not have the comma a separate variant. Thanks for checking. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:32, 7 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Isaac Asimov's Nemesis/ Greg Bear's Eeuwigheid - Dutch translation ==<br />
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I was verifying my copy of the Meulenhoff edition of Isaac Asimov's Nemesis, and I noticed that my copy stated "Eerste Druk juni 1990", which is different from the publication date in {{P|372490|this}} record.<br />
Could you check what your copy says on the copyright page? If different, should I create a new pub record for my first edition copy? <br />
Can you check same for {{P|506175|Greg Bear's Eeuwigheid}} and let me know the printing info? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 10:16, 25 March 2018 (EDT)<br />
:I updated these records, if you have another publication date, you should create a new one. Sorry for being late.[[User:Wjmvanruth|William]] 16:37, 7 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== The Chessmen of Mars ==<br />
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I am adding ERB's essay on Jetan or Martian Chess to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?344036 this] publication. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 16:26, 9 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Breakfast in the Ruins ==<br />
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Cover artist of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?269597 this] is Peter Goodfellow, see original art at [https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/peter-goodfellow-1950-original-1476701047 worthpoint.com]. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 17:44, 12 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Misha or Mischa? ==<br />
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Could you check cover artist on back of your copy of {{P|506580|this}} pub? My copy says Mischa, as well as my copy of 'Op Zoek naar Zei' on the copyright page. Also, the PJF international biobliography website also mentions Mischa as artist for 'De Heren van de Kosmos'. I've also contacted Willem H on same. What's the best way of correcting this wrong artist's name? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 04:59, 13 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:The best way would be to change the canonical name, but that has to be verified first. It ''is'' a bit puzzling that all PVs have entered or not changed the name (on the other hand, things like this do happen). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:32, 13 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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::This was probably my mistake. Corrected now. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:43, 13 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::Thanks! Would you add Mischa Joseph as artist to {{P|521240|De Hand van Zei}} too as it is clearly the same artist as the other pubs in the Elsevier SF series (Farmer, Sprague de Camp); although nowhere credited? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:20, 13 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::: The fact that Mischa Joseph is/was not credited mainly stems from the fact that he/she is mentioned as cover <i>designer</i>, not as cover artist.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 16:29, 13 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Het Messias-Mysterie ==<br />
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Did You miss to put in the cover artist of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?511436 this pub] by mistake? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 15:26, 19 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Refinements ==<br />
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Hello, wanted to let you know I updated some of your verified pubs. Let me know if you disagree.<br />
More specifically, can you check {{P|508388|De Razernij van een Demonenkoning}}, where I would like to update [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3792872 the following]: as I could not find any unambiguos affirmative confirmation that Ralph M. Askren is the artist for this specific version of the map, I changed the artist to uncredited; changed map title to actual title printed in the book; and updated series to *M Fantasy to be in line with other, similar, pubs. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:58, 22 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
: I've approved the submission based on some additional checks and research but if something needs to be restored back, please let me know or submit another update. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:04, 30 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== To update Feist's Midkemia books (Dutch) pub series data? ==<br />
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Hello, while looking into cleaning up inconsistencies in Meulenhoff pub series data, I noticed that you've verified (almost all) Raymond Feist's Midkemia books (Dutch translation). However, when I compare your pub records with the copies I have, I notice that the pub series rather should be <i>*M Fantasy</i>. For example, compare cover illustration of {{P|507241|this pub}} with {{P|662452|this}} one. They are the same and both have <i>*M Fantasy</i> at the bottom. Could you verify your copies and make the updates (if relevant)? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 13:09, 25 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== {{P|449883 |Hoven van Chaos/Het Spel van Merlijn}} ==<br />
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Hello, I checked my copy, and want to update notes to the following for further clarification. Can you agree?<br><br />
<ul><li>States first printing 1990 on copyright page of "Het Spel van Merlijn" (page 152), implying this pub record for the omnibus is also a first printing 1990.<br />
<li>Hoven van Chaos translated by Frank Klinkspoor<br />
<li>Het Spel van Merlijn translated by G. Snoey<br />
<li>Cover design by Alpha Design<br />
<li>Cover artist credited on back cover. No visible signature. (Roos Wiggers also did the art for part 4 and 5 of the series) <br />
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[[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:22, 30 April 2018 (EDT)<br />
:I went ahead and updated accordingly. Let me know if you don't agree. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:01, 6 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== {{p|507820|Starship Troopers}} title: subtitle? ==<br />
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Could you check whether your copy of {{p|507820|Starship Troopers}} has a dash '-' between title (Starship Troopers) & subtitle (Troepen voor de Sterren) on the title page? My first print copy doesn't so I have already updated title with colon to separate title & subtitle. Let me know if yours shows different. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:09, 9 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Info added to Rocannon ==<br />
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Hi, I added notes on first printing, cover, and printing info on last page of {{P|506694|Rocannon}}. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 17:44, 30 June 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== {{P|372539|Het eindeloze concert}} ==<br />
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Hi, I made notes on Greg Bear's 'Het eindeloze concert' more specific: added printing info, and info on last pages of novel. Let me know if you disagree. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 17:02, 3 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== De Simarillion ==<br />
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Hello William, could you join [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Horzel#De_Silmarillian this] discussion for question on contents of the prisma pocket? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:41, 14 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Invitation to join discussion on language-specific rules for titles ==<br />
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Hello William, as you may be aware discussion is ongoing [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Capitalization_and_international_titles over at R&S], and [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Talk:Title_Regularization over at Title_Regularization] to establish language-specific rules for titles. I kindly invite you to join the discussion and help to decide on rules to follow - for Dutch titles in particular :). Thank you in advance. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:06, 15 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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== De Da Vinci code ==<br />
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Can you double-check your copy of {{p|644839|De Da Vinci code}}? The ISBN 90-5108-847-7 does not match the edition published by Luitingh-Sijthoff (ISBN 90-245-4800-4). [http://picarta.pica.nl/xslt/DB=3.9/XMLPRS=Y/PPN?PPN=413320391 According to PPN] it does match the edition published by Uitgeverij Areopagus. On the other hand, [http://zoeken.bibliotheek.be/?itemid=%7Clibrary%2Fmarc%2Fvlacc%7C2697178 bibliotheek.be] lists BOTH ISBN's together - joint publication perhaps? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 09:53, 5 December 2018 (EST)<br />
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== {{p|583808|War Factory}} & {{p|636964|Infinity Engine}}==<br />
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Wanted to let you know I updated the pubs with an actual scan of the cover, added Cast of Characters and Glossary to contents, and added notes with detail on page numbering. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 10:46, 12 January 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Ubik - Philip K. Dick ==<br />
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Hi, you are PV {{P|293627|here}} where you have the printing configured as Series I. I'm correcting that to Series II. Thanks. [[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] 20:10, 1 June 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Deception Well ==<br />
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Hi. I wanted to let you know that I've updated your PV'd {{P|494144|Deception Well}} as follows: changed no of pages from 413 to 415 (if you could confirm); replaced Amazon cover with scan of my own copy; and replaced the note ' ''Data from Amazon.com as of 2014-12-18.'' ' with extensive notes explaining this is PoD, and with info from the copyright page. Cheers! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 05:42, 3 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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== H. Jad ==<br />
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Hi, the cover artist [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?242005 H. Jad] for six Jules Verne novels is the same as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?108170 Jad] a.k.a. Jose Antonio Domingo Bernabeu, as can be seen by comparing the signatures on the cover art to the signature (bottom left) on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?400003 Terug naar het Stenen Tijdperk]. (I'm guessing the H. may be misreading the year 77.) [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 06:19, 22 January 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Bright Messengers ==<br />
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Added the Note and Arthur C. Clarke's introduction to our verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?5499 Bright Messengers]. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 05:43, 8 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Julian Jay Savarin ==<br />
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Cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?268065 this] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?268066 this] are by Joe Petagno - two halves of the same image identified in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?204909 this publication] --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 08:17, 15 February 2020 (EST)<br />
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== The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch - PKD ==<br />
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William, I've corrected the publisher and added to the notes to our PV {{P|510066|here}}. Thanks, Kev. [[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] 21:08, 27 March 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Martian - Andy Weir ==<br />
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Hi William, I've re-ordered the contents listing in your PV {{P|510057|here}}. Thanks, Kev. [[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] 13:20, 13 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Het Oog van de Wereld ==<br />
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Your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?507763 pv pub] is claimed the 4th printing by [http://picarta.pica.nl/DB=3.9/XMLPRS=Y/PPN?PPN=371357217 PPN]. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 11:38, 26 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Isle of the Dead ==<br />
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Replaced Amazon cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18754 this] with one from my own copy. Edit. Cover art confirmed as Fred Gambino by artist via Twitter. States he posed for the caveman in the foreground. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 16:39, 13 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?385524 Memoirs ...] is an apparent doublette ==<br />
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Hi! As per [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?267 the note] on the publisher, this is the first printing, not the second as stated. As we have an entry for the first printing this one ought to be deleted. I'll wait for a few days for a possible answer, though. Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:08, 3 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Scheepsramp op de maan ==<br />
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Hi, the cover art on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?356582 this] has the same signature BertB as the cover art on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?451727 De onzichtbare man], so cover artist is Bert Bouman. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 17:51, 3 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Inferno Title Notes ==<br />
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I'm holding a number of edits that are adding "Info from wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Inferno!" to title notes. I'm confused by the purpose of these. Title records are created from publication entries and the information (author credit, date, etc.) is supposed to come from the publications. I'm not seeing any information in these records that is not from a publication? Can you clarify your intent? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:47, 17 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Earthfall ==<br />
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Added jacket design credit and LCCN to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?11826 Earthfall] [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]]17:38, 8 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Proposed Map Consolidation ==<br />
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As a PV of at least one publication of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?369 Inheritor] or [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?20011 Precursor] , please take a moment to look at [[User Talk:Scifibones #Foreigner Map Consolidation| Foreigner Map Consolidation]] and leave your comments. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:17, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Importing titles ==<br />
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Hello. Just an FYI - instead of entering titles separately, you can always import them from another publication. Importing titles is only one edit, as opposed to entering a title, and then having to merge it with the already-existing one. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:37, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Dead Winter ==<br />
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Hello. Another FYI. When you're primary verifying a book, do look at the Notes and update accordingly. For example, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4993488 this clone edit of yours] kept the 'Data from Amazon UK' statement in its note field, while you did PV the book. So, where does the data came from? Amazon, or your book in hand? Thanks! Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:40, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Star Rigger's Way ==<br />
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Cover art for this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251539 this] is by Chris Moore. He confirmed it to me via email. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 14:06, 25 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Terridae ==<br />
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Cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48438 this] confirmed as Fred Gambino to me via Twitter --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:27, 12 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Earth Is Heaven ==<br />
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Cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?11770 this] confirmed as Fred Gambino by artist to me via Twitter. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:54, 14 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Incident on Ath / The Quillian Sector / Prison of Night ==<br />
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Cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?279983 this]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?310606 this] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?310604 this] are Fred Gambino. Confirmed to me via Twitter. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 13:09, 22 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Blood Canticle ==<br />
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Hello, I've updated the publication record for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?343500 Blood Canticle], and removed the 2004-11-00 pub date, as this is the 2nd printing of the Arrow edition and there was no reference to any source that could confirm the 2004-11 date. If you would happen to know the exact publication date of this 2nd printing, could you let me know where you got that data from? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 12:52, 14 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Maps in a Mirror: Volume One ==<br />
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Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?186121 this]. I've uploaded the full wraparound and made a note about the somewhat different artwork that appears on the hardcover and trade paperback combined editions. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 13:13, 9 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Project Hail Mary ==<br />
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Thanks for adding the translator [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2945257 here]. However, we use a template so instead if typing "Translated by Frank van der Knoop", <nowiki>{{Tr|Frank van der Knoop}}</nowiki> should be used. I fixed it here - you can see how it looks like now. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:06, 12 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Michaël Winkel ==<br />
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Hi William, I've updated the author record from Michael Winkel to {{a|Michaël Winkel|220945}} (as written on the copyright page of {{p|506492|De glazen boom}}). The consequence is is that the artist's name is also updated in all other title records (as listed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?220945 here]). Could you check the spelling of the author's name in the books you have? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 04:55, 3 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Honour and Wrath ==<br />
Hey there, I have submitted a new date for the chapbook [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?710242 Honour and Wrath] based on information from [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/23714367-honour-and-wrath Goodreads] and [https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Honour_and_Wrath_(Short_Story) Lexicanum]. Essentially, the ebook was first released as part of Black Library's advent calendar in 2014, then the Kindle version followed suit in 2016. --[[User:Ir&#39;revrykal|Ir&#39;revrykal]] 16:11, 7 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== John Carter of Mars ==<br />
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Can you confirm cover art credit for {{P|183973|John Carter of Mars}}? I "borrowed" it from another book with same cover art. 20:23, 8 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Shelters of Stone ==<br />
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I added cover art credit and notes to {{P|507380|The Shelters of Stone}} which you primary verified - credit is based on http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?47062 [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 00:00, 7 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Gnawing Gate cover art credit ==<br />
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I credited the cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?716775 The Gnawing Gate] to Alessandro Baldasseroni to make his credited cover of the later collection, Black Rift, a variant. I should imagine he was the artist on all the installments. [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] 16:21, 29 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== De Speekselboom ==<br />
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I found the original of the cover art of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?550663 this] on [https://nl.pinterest.com/pin/40180621664416484/ pinterest] with a small signature at left bottom that looks like Karel Thole's signature. (Who else could it be?) [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] ([[User talk:Horzel|talk]]) 17:16, 21 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Een oceaan van sterren ==<br />
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Hi, I've added series name Zwarte beertjes and number 1957 to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?506800 this]. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] ([[User talk:Horzel|talk]]) 09:48, 1 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?397245 Roadside Picnic] ==<br />
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Hi! I changed the page count according to the other verified printings of the Gollanc SF Masterworks edition and added the beginning pages to this publication: before that, the afterword appeared in the listing before the novel. I also added some more notes. If you're back for a review: that'd be welcome. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:03, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dumarest ==<br />
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Cover art for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37364 this] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?310608 this] both by Fred Gambino confirmed to me via Facebook. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 01:50, 18 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wolfe - The Fifth Head of Cerberus ==<br />
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I'm adding the publisher (Gollancz / Orion) to your {{P|510062|PV here}} and replacing the Amazon cover image. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:51, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Deadhouse Landing - artist ==<br />
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I've added the map artist for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?643023 this pub], copyrighted to Neil Gower in the paperback edition. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 17:09, 26 December 2023 (EST)</div>
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== Post-submission pages for Edit Publication submissions updated ==<br />
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All "Modified Content" tables displayed on EditPub post-submission pages have been updated. Table cells which used to say "Current" now display a link to the Title ID about to be modified. Multiple yellow warnings are now displayed correctly and include the names of new/alternate name/disambiguated authors.<br />
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This pretty much completes the cleanup of post-submission pages. As always, if you come across errors or anything unexpected, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:30, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The software has been tweaked to display a yellow warning if a non-existing series, publication series or publisher matches a disambiguated record of the same type. For example, this yellow warning will be displayed if a submission uses "The Rules" in the "Series" field because we already have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?62626 The Rules (F. T. Lukens)] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?55408 The Rules (Aaron Oster)] on file. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:26, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Several Problems ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5590099; I was going to cancel this since nobody came to an agreement about what the publisher should be but when I looked at it I realized the note makes no sense because it describes a 1977 date for this 1983 book, also edit history's 2014 entry is offset from the rest so there seems to be a problem there, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:36, 1 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Resurrected Holmes ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?33870; I made some edits, still pending, adding March to the title date, correcting the title to "The Resurrected Holmes" since whoever entered info here went by the cover title and not the title page plus I imported the "Giant Rat" story in the HC into the TP. The contents are on OL and there's an Archive.org copy of the TP; if anyone knows which of the contents are genre or were written by authors above-the-threshold they may want to flesh the records out, but be aware that 1 story, R. Lupoff's "The Adventure of the Boulevard Assassin", was reprinted in his collection Claremont Tales II as "The Adventures of the Boulevard Assassin" so a variant will be needed; unlike the few other non-genre stories in that collection nobody entered a note saying where it originally came from even though it says so on the copyright page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:25, 1 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Introduction Title Question ==<br />
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An editor submitted [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5626362 this edit] changing the titles of the two introductions in {{P|602865|this publication}}. For each introduction, there is the word Introduction in a large font over an author credit (e.g. "by China Miéville") in a significantly smaller font. Each essay is also signed with the author's name at the end of the text. I had originally considered the byline to be a simple author credit and thus titled each essay simply "Introduction (The Left Hand of Darkness)". However, the signature at the end gives me pause. I think I still agree with my original title, but I see how it could be interpreted differently. Also if we include the byline as part of the title, should we still disambiguate. What do other folks think? --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:00, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I consider the byline to be just an author credit as well. We already have the author in the author field, adding “by author” to the title feels like an overkill. If we decide to keep it in the title, it still needs disambiguation IMO - it is as generic as Introduction on the author’s page after all. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:37, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::If I may explain how I arrived at the proposed titles. Usually there is only one novel introduction and where that is the case, it is simply titled "Introduction" and may or may not be signed. Here, we have two introductions (the Miéville one being added for this Masterworks II edition). To make it clear to readers whose introduction each is, the publishers have extended the title to include the author's name (probably for the first time) and, for our purposes, have created a variant title. In the notes I have tried to make it clear that the title is as it appears above the work (as the titling rules require) and not just a whim on my part. That we also have the author in the author field I consider as just a system function. I added the disambiguation for the purposes of the author's page, as noted above. Hope that helps. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:16, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: I still do not think we should add it as part of the title - we never add the author name to the title unless it is incorporated cleanly and a byline is not an incorporation for me. I understand how you came up with the titles but I just do not think that we should be doing that. Two introductions or an introduction and a foreword are essentially the same thing from our perspective - but you are proposing we handle one of these differently from the other because they happen to both be called introductions. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:55, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::I agree with Annie. It's not part of the title. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:38, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Thanks for those answers, but I'm left unclear as to what you mean by "unless it is incorporated cleanly and a byline is not an incorporation". I think I get the meaning but can you expand on that a little. Does it follow that if the author's name appears above the essay it should always be treated as a byline and therefore ignored? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:23, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::: Unless it is part of the title organically, the author name does not get added to the title regardless of where it is on the page - below, above, in between the two lines of a title, led or not led by “by”. Otherwise as most title pages out there have the author name, one can take your argument to the extreme and make a case that we always add the author name to the title of stories, books, essays and so on because it is on the page after all; your case is not different from that really even if you are restricting it to a limited usecase in your mind - there is no reason to mad an exception here. So “Isaac Asimov Presents” keeps the name as part of the title because it cannot be separated. Or “Neil Gaiman Talks About Things”. Similarly to how we do not keep a series title inside of a title for example. We are not ignoring it - we just have a different place for it in our record so we use that. Just like we do with series names. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 00:26, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::Thanks for taking the time to explain that clearly. As I couldn't find anything in the help pages, it's been nagging at me :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:46, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== F. Cantor ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?26927; People here have been working on Silverberg's anthology Mirror of Infinity, cover artist Fred(erick) Cantor only has credits for that and The Exorcist, cover image of which has been used countless times on later editions, but he also has 1 interior credit for a cover of John Farris novel All Heads Turn... but there's no cover credit on any edition on ISFDB. So which cover did he do? Also, there's 1 credit here for Frederik Cantor for a reprint edition of Exorcist that he didn't do the cover for, it being just an image from the film, so that is something to look into, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:04, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Conan ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/conan00howa; https://archive.org/details/conan0000unse; One very old Archive.org upload, one fairly new, I'm not sure about the Ace edition because there's no updated date on the copyright page, whether it's the '77 or '79 (with illustrations) edition, neither is PV so if anyone wants to do something with them, also that British edition's notes are unclear, long-gone PV says reprinted 1977 but wrote reprint line from copyright page below that so I don't know if they had an edition that actually said 1977 because the Archive.org copy doesn't, I don't know the history of these endless Conan reprints at all but I know others here do so they may want to do something with this, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:38, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Brian Williams ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?8790; I just made an edit adding link to copy of Vampirium, one of those Lone Wolf game books, and the cover artist, Brian Williams, was also the interior artist but that wasn't entered so I did it. Now the problem is he died in 2010 but there are multiple entries on ISFDB after that date; I believe this guy, https://fantlab.ru/autor13980, wrote those series novels while the deceased was the artist, but the problem with that is the last 3 interior art credits are for books written by the novelist, implying that he illustrated some of his own books. Then there's the question of which Williams wrote the 2 70's letters and the 5 short stories spanning early 80's to 2013. Who knows which one did those 3 computer magazine stories but "Tie Your Own Rope" was done for a White Wolf anthology, a well-known gaming company, so maybe the artist wrote a story now and then, but then the last story was written for a disturbing sex anthology that I remember writing about on these boards once before, and I can't picture either one of these Williams writing a story for that, especially since the artist died a few years before it was published, so that's possibly a third Williams. There's also the fact that while the first 4 cover credits are gaming-related as is Vampirium, 2 others are for gay-themed anthologies and the last is for an obscure American horror magazine. Note also another Brian Williams, a comic artist, is on ISFDB being interviewed (possibly the same guy as the above artist except the interview is dated more than 6 months after he died; different guy or long lag time before publication?) and there's another Williams who wrote a dragon fantasy novel in 2018 from a UK self-publisher so not likely to be by the above novelist whose books are from major publishers. So untangling is needed if anyone is interested. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5627339; This one was missing both cover artist and interior artist so whenever the artist is separated into his own record I have a feeling there'll be a lot more books than the 2 I edited that are missing his credits here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:29, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Lost story, no title, no author, only rough memories of the plot ==<br />
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This is set WAY WAY WAY far in the future. The location of Earth has been lost in time. Horses and dogs are coequals with humans in society. A horse approaches a young and wealthy woman and offers her something amazing if she'll help him find and restore old Earth. To cut it short, he lets her have a horseback ride. She falls in love with it, and becomes INSANELY wealthy, sends out scout ships, finds Earth, terraforms it, and hands it over to the non-human members of society. The horse gives her another ride and they all live happily ever after.<br />
Sorry to not be more eloquent. I just finished a 12 hour shift at the ambulance company's dispatch center where I work.<br />
Thank you very very much.<br />
Sak1776 <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Sak1776|Sak1776]] ([[User talk:Sak1776|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sak1776|contribs]]) .</small> 20:39, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:If no one can answer your question here, we have a few other sites that can help listed at [[ISFDB:FAQ#I need help finding a book]]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:00, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I checked around with a few people and they suggested it was "[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?63400 Dreams Done Green]" by Alan Dean Foster. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:25, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yes this is definitely "Dream Done Dream" by Foster.[[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] ([[User talk:Zybahn|talk]]) 23:14, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Nordon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=leisure+b&type=Publisher; Many of the books on ISFDB as by Leisure Books are actually by Leisure Books / Dorchester Publishing so when I come across them I fix them, but for some reason 5 books on ISFDB are under the Nordon name. The problem with that is all the early Leisure books before they hooked up with Dorchester in the mid-80's say published by Nordon on the copyright page (93 of them were found by doing a text search on Archive.org); the Dorchester name is used here to differ the later books from the earlier ones so there's no need to do that for the early books. Would there be any objection to me changing those 5 to just Leisure Books so they merge with all the hundreds of other books by that publisher here? Only 1 of the Nordon books is PV (by MLB). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:30, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wasteworld ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?19205; 4th one's a chapbook but 1st one has same page count so shouldn't it be so, too? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:11, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Expired Link ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34362 This publication] has a note regarding the cover art followed by a link. The flickr page being directed to no longer exists--in such a case can I simply remove the note or is it customary to notify a PVer? I do not know which one had left the note. Thanks. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] ([[User talk:Zybahn|talk]]) 22:18, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It's Mavmaramis's link - I've notified him. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:22, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Before deleting a link, see if you can find if archived in the web archive. If not, then all we can do is to delete it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:07, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::https://www.flickr.com/photos/markfullerdillon/52607643318; Is that what you're looking for? Also, if you replace old link can you also correct the 2 misspelled words in the note? I've done so for many of this editor's notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:11, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: Thanks to all. I've made the corrections & submitted. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] ([[User talk:Zybahn|talk]]) 21:55, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Throat Sprockets ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?8169; A copy of the rare American edition was just uploaded so I added a link and a bunch of other stuff, including correcting the month which was off by a couple of months, but the 2 even rarer British editions seem to have disappeared almost entirely, with no eBay copies I can see or any online scans of anything besides the cover. The one review I could find, https://criminolly.com/2021/10/27/throat-sprockets-review/, has a different page count than either edition and a month that neither have. So if anyone owns a copy or can actually do better than me and find online info it would help. Poor Mr. Lucas lost his wife recently so it would be nice to flesh out and correct his info here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:02, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Leviathan Awakes (excerpt) (sic) by James S. A. Correy (sic) ==<br />
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I stumbled across [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2231009 this] by chance the other day, with both [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1272911 the title] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?155601 author name] incorrect. It's strikes me that 2 errors is perhaps more likely to be down to data entry here than mistakes by the publisher, but it's from [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?345034 a 2011 pub] transient verified by an editor who has not been active for several years. Any thoughts on whether the appropriate varianting and note-adding is the best course of action, or instead to correct the title and editor fields?<br />
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FWIW, some cursory Googling threw up [https://isulibrary.isunet.edu/index.php?lvl=notice_display&id=8781 a library entry] that indicates the correct title and author name was used. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 09:15, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:https://openlibrary.org/books/OL25033756M/Degrees_of_freedom; One of those OL-only non-preview things; search inside says Leviathan Wakes by James S. A. Corey. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:16, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks, I have now updated title and author name, and made a parent title for the real authors Franck and Abraham. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:26, 12 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== E. Borgese ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5623541; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=borgese&type=Name; Will my rejected edit be un-rejected if my fixing of her name in the original Brit edition is made a variant or variant is deleted or whatever it is that needs to be done? I'm confused. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:15, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:That won't fix the issue. The problem is that the add publication submission was made to add a publication to the title by Elizabeth (with a moderator note that you were adding it with the incorrect name). Your subsequent submission updated both the existing title and publication records to Elisabeth. I was not aware of your second submission until after I rejected the first, but it wouldn't have mattered. Changing the source record does not update any pending submissions (e.g. your rejected edit). Had you done these two submissions in the opposite order, and waiting until the name change was approved before submitting the add publication, you would have been fine. The other way you could have done it, was to submit your first edit as a new publication. Then, when both were approved, you could merge the title records. At this point you can submit a new Add Publication from the updated title record (Elisabeth). By the way, there is a second step that is still required for your change of the existing title record from Elizabeth to Elisabeth. Since you changed it to a variant name, you need to make the altered record into a variant of the canonical name. Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:56, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::But her real first name is spelled with an S, so that should be the parent name. There's nothing on ISFDB that was published as by "Elizabeth Mann Borgese". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:23, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Well, we currently have 11 title records that have been published as by [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?13609 Elizabeth Mann Borgese]. We have no concept of "real name", we only reflect how things have been published. The canonical name is the name by which the author is best known in the field. You'll note that her legal name, as Elisabeth, is reflected in the legal name field. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:57, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::They weren't really published as by Elizabeth in her collection, whoever entered the original Brit edition here (Chris J? He's first in edit history) incorrectly wrote her name that way and thus she's credited that way. Her American edition also says Elisabeth so it's not like they changed the spelling due to some British/American differences, it's just wrong. So her name needs to be changed to Elisabeth for all those stories and then when everything says Elisabeth my edit adding the American edition can be un-rejected, re-added, whatever. I just saw a full wraparound cover online so that'll be something extra to upload that wasn't in my rejected edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:10, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::There are two issues that you are talking about. First, you submitted an edit to add a new publication, but you submitted incorrectly. I don't think your edit could be unrejcted even if all instances of "Elizabeth Mann Borgese" were changed to "Elisabeth Mann Borgese" (i.e. the two authors are merged). Even that is impossible because there are publications where the author is credited as "Elizabeth Mann Borgese" (e.g. [https://archive.org/details/Fantasy_Science_Fiction_v017n01_1959-07_PDF/page/n67/mode/2up here]). Regardless, there is nothing that can be done to change the author's name in your rejected edit that you submitted as Elizabeth. Even if "Elizabeth Mann Borgese" was deleted from the database, your edit would re-add the name as a new author were it approved. I've mentioned above the best way to proceed. I noticed that you did not include the content in your rejected edit. The content from the other record cannot currently be imported because the title records have the incorrect name. There are two ways to bring these records into shape.<br />
:::::# You could edit the existing collection and change the author credit for those stories that appear only in that collection. You would also need to remove any stories that are published elsewhere from the collection, then re-add them with the correct credit. There is a further step in that variants need to be made, but I'll discuss that below when covering the second overall issue.<br />
:::::# Alternatively, you could manually add all the stories, with the correct credit, when you re-add the George Braziller publication. You could then remove all the stories from the MacGibbon & Kee publication and import the ones with the correct author credit from the other pub. Again variants will need to be made to finish the process.<br />
:::::The second issue is what name needs to be canonical for this author. Absent evidence to the contrary, I would assume that all other publications are correctly credited. That leaves us with 6 titles in 13 publications credited to Elizabeth. There are 10 titles appearing in 3 publications as Elisabeth. I'm not counting translations which are all variants anyway. You could argue that the canonical name be changed to Elisabeth, but I'd recommend proposing that in a separate thread. Also, would you be volunteering to do this work (it's many edits)? You would need to move all the author data from the current canonical record to the new one; Break all of the parent child author name relationships; Make all new alternate names variants of the new canonical name; Merge any titles with the new canonical name where the former parent name appeared in no publications, deleting the parent title relationship; Change the author credit of any titles with the former canonical name that appear in no publications to the new canonical name. Break any remaining parent child story relationships; Make any remaining titles by alternate name variants of the new canonical name. If you don't want change the canonical name and can't find someone else to do it, or the community decides to keep it as Elizabeth, you'll need to finish the above edits by making the new Elisabeth titles into variants of Elizabeth. Again, I hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:09, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::Dude, as I've mentioned somewhere on the message boards before, I was hit in the head a few times when I was a kid, many years ago, so I'm a little slow, and my mind has been rapidly deteriorating recently due to personal and external issues, which shows in the occasional misstep I've made here lately which is highly unusual for me, so I don't have a clue what it is you're asking me to do; you and others here seem to forget that I've said more than once that I'm a total amateur with no background in anything literary who just started doing this a few years ago to pass the time (which makes the fact that I have one of the largest number of non-moderator edits in the history of this site even more remarkable). I'm just about done doing this, anyway, for many reasons, and am mostly doing simple stuff these days, so I have a suggestion; you mentioned recently that you're still in contact with this Chris J, so maybe you can ask him if he's the one who entered the name wrong and, if so, why. If it was him, maybe you can convince him, now that I have brought the American edition to everyone's attention, to do whatever it is you said above. I notice that the Archive.org copy was uploaded in September, 2015 and his first entry in the edit history was November, 2015, so the correct spelling of her name was available at the time. If nobody wants to do any of this, it won't bother me. I've done hundreds of edits since this one and can barely remember it, anyway. I'm sure, though, that the ones here who like to variant every name and title difference would want to see it entered; people who've searched for her on this site over the years may have come away disappointed because her name has been wrong for so many years. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:48, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::I'm not going to contact another editor on your behalf. Chris J's talk page is [[User talk:Chris J|here]]. However, there is no point in contacting Chris. None of the edits in the history added the content to the record. Even if we could determine who added the records incorrectly, what would be the point of contacting that person? They could have been working from a secondary source that was incorrect, but in the end, it doesn't matter. You've discovered an error in a record and you've fixed only part of that error. That's good, but the job isn't finished. The bare minimum to fix this record is:<br />
:::::::# Go to the {{T|1931892|title record}} where you changed the name and use the Make This Title a Variant tool to make it a variant of the canonical name. Use Option 2 and enter the canonical name, "Elizabeth Mann Borgese" and click Create New Parent Title.<br />
:::::::# Go to the {{P|547020|publication record}} and use the Edit This Pub tool to edit the record. For each story where the edit fields are not disabled, change the author's name to "Elisabeth Mann Borgese". For all other stories, add "delete" to the page number, use the add title button to add a new row and copy the title of each story to the new title field, enter "Elisabeth Mann Borgese" as the author for the new author field. You can enter this edit at the same time as the one above.<br />
:::::::# After the above edit is approved, go back to the {{P|547020|publication record}} and use the Remove Titles From This Pub tool. Mark each title with delete in the page number.<br />
:::::::# For each title that does not have a parent title (you can find them all at {{A|Elisabeth Mann Borgese}} after the above edits are approved). You need to go to each title and use the Make This Title a Variant tool to link the title to the appropriate parent. At this point, the parent titles should exist. Find each matching title at {{A|Elizabeth Mann Borgese}}. Take note of the Title Record # at the top right of the screen. In the make variant screen, use Option 1 and enter the title number to link the titles.<br />
:::::::Making variants when an alternate name is used is not something that is optional or done only when people like to. It's a data integrity issue that needs to be resolved. As it stands, this record will show up on several cleanup reports until it is fixed. Also, there is no problem in searching by an alternate name. If set up correctly, each alternate name has a link to the canonical name, as does all 4 of Ms. Mann Borgese's alternate names. By the way, when you being one of these multi-step edits, it is generally a good idea to let the moderator know that you intend the next steps by adding it to the moderator note. I've tried to give you complete instructions, but if you have any questions when attempting this, please reach out either here or on the [[ISFDB:Help desk|Help desk]]. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:31, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Number Line ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/nailedbyheart0000clar_p5s1; What printing is this? It's 3rd, isn't it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:49, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Yes, the 3rd - the lowest number on the list gives you the current printing (with a special note for some number lines that contain a year as well as a printing number). That specific configuration of numbers is a pretty common one. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:48, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK. I asked because of this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5625372, where either I goofed or there was some hiccup when I entered it, so I made a new edit with the right cover, but the 2002 edition on Archive.org matches the ISFDB note which says "third printing" yet the mod who rejected this said 4th printing, which I had a feeling was wrong. I'll now add a link in that record. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:53, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Heaven Maker ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1518099; I recently added the 2014 TP and a link to the Archive.org copy which was recently uploaded; why page count is different between all 3 editions is unknown, someone entered them for the HC and they seem accurate, final essay starting on p. 249 and page count being 254, while TP is 20 pages longer but doesn't seem to have any extra material, but more importantly is while importing HC contents into TP and adding page numbers I now notice that the foreword, which is actually titled Forward in the book, is by Janis McKay, who is actually Janis Mackay per signature, an author with several credits on ISFDB, while the intro is actually by Herbertson. So if anyone can get a hold of the original HC edition and verify it's the same then those can be corrected. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:30, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Magnus Fin ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?30867; Print editions are all same price, one says TP, one PB, and one "unknown", in case anyone knows which they should all really be. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:33, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
: They are all the standard B format in UK (a few mm under 20 cm) - which is a tp in our DB. I've fixed the 2 that were added in error. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:51, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Tenth Time (A)round ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?74425; I randomly came across that Venture issue on Archive.org, a Brit magazine that apparently reprinted F&SF with added illustrations, if I'm understanding it correctly, and I immediately noticed a problem; McIntosh's story, which ISFDB claims is only "Tenth Time Round" in Venture, is the same in F&SF, too; it's not "Tenth Time Around". There are some active PV so I'm not touching it but this seems like a fairly big change so I thought I'd mention it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:36, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I updated the title in {{P|61294|The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction, May 1959}} based on the [https://archive.org/details/Fantasy_Science_Fiction_v016n05_1959-05_PDF/page/n3/mode/2up Internet Archive scan] and notified the active verifiers. I will also expand {{P|351769|Venture Science Fiction, October 1964}} based on its Internet Archive scan. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:34, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::https://archive.org/search?query=%22venture+british+ed%22&sort=-addeddate; I think these are all the issues available, in case anything else needs fixing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:54, 8 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Thank you. Searching for Venture Science Fiction only returned the one hit and Venture too many. I appreciate you finding a good search term. I will add the links to the magazines and make updates as needed. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:08, 8 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pranks ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?17626; I've been trying to fix publisher Leisure as many of their old books here as by Leisure Books were wrongly entered here with Dorchester in the publisher; with this book I have a vague memory of working on it last year, trying to get all the cover images to match price/ID entered here, and after adding an Archive.org link to the 3rd one I noticed the 1st one, entered by ChrisJ in 2014, is the same as the 3rd one (which I entered last year) except he used the original edition's 1983 date instead of the reprint's 8/89 date which is on the copyright page, so I think the 1st one can be deleted. The 2nd one has a broken image and a Not Found message when it's clicked; I see that I made an edit some time ago for that, too, but obviously if the image was broken back then it would have been noticed. So does anyone have any ideas about that? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:58, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Plus qu'humains ==<br />
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https://openlibrary.org/works/OL19267614W/Les_plus_qu%27humains?edition=key%3A/books/OL26778119M; Full cover, which none of the images on ISFDB show, with a date that's earlier than other editions with that cover, so French-fluent editor may want to add it, re-date the cover art, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:45, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Robert Wise ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?4333; Cover of J. Rovin's UFO Movie Quiz Book says intro by Wise (who was a famous director) so I added that here and put (director) after his name to differ him from the Wise on ISFDB who wrote Christian novels; interview is also by the other Wise, https://www.ebay.com/itm/371173025862, as the seller mentions in his description. Now that it's an interview about films should it be deleted or should (director) be added to that, too? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:52, 7 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:My edit was finally approved; how about that interview? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:48, 20 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ad Astra's analysis of our data ==<br />
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In "James Gunn's Ad Astra" #12 (the current issue), René Walling writes an essay on "Report: Books, Creators and Series, 1800-2018", in which he does a statistical analysis of books published in the genre during the specified period. He analyzes 168,012 genre books, of which 162,140 come from isfdb, and another 5,872 come from "The Locus Index to Science Fiction" and the "SFBooklist". He focuses his attention on (1) Number of books and creators; (2) Number of books published by an author; and (3) Number of series published. And, of course, how these numbers vary over time. If you're interested, the article is online at https://www.adastrasf.com/report-books-creators-and-series-1800-2018/. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] ([[User talk:Chavey|talk]]) 12:47, 7 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Of course there are lots of question about the data he generated, e.g. Did he count translations as different books? Did he use our non-genre flag? Did he correctly process our "variants" of a title? etc. Nevertheless, it may still be slightly interesting to some. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] ([[User talk:Chavey|talk]]) 12:55, 7 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Curious. Comparing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/stats.cgi?8 Percent of Titles in Series by Year] generated by our weekly reports and the "ISFDB" column in [https://www.adastrasf.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Issue-12-Table_6.png Table 6: Percent of books in a series per year, 1891-2018], I see that the numbers are somewhat different. It makes sense since we count "novels" and "short fiction" separately while René Walling apparently consolidated everything that he considered "books":<br />
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::* Novels, chapbooks, collections, anthologies and nonfiction books related to the genres of fantasy, horror and science fiction, i.e. found in one of the above mentioned lists, were all included.<br />
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:: Moreover, our chapbook records do not have "series" information, which will inevitably affect the stats. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:03, 7 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Doubleday and The Crime Club ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=crime+club&type=Publisher; I did an edit for the Gores/Pronzini Tricks and Treats anthology and made Doubleday into Crime Club / Doubleday, but ISFDB has a jumble of different ways that people added the publisher, with the Crime Club / Doubleday one also having Doubleday Crime Club as a pub. series with many more books than the publisher has, some of which are from the Doran era which has its own separate entry here, Crime Club / Doubleday Doran, while I think none of the ones as by Doubleday / Crime Club make sense because Doubleday was the publisher. So if anyone wants to take a look at this some merging/standardization would probably help. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:28, 8 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Touchstone Awards for Individual Poems ==<br />
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Hi,<br />
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Joshua Gage's speculative fiction poem, "Penrose process . . ." has been long listed for the 2022 Touchstone Awards for Individual Poems by The Haiku Foundation. <br />
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I would like to have this award added to those supported by the ISFDB software, as the award does recognize poetry in the speculative fiction genre.<br />
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The Haiku Foundation, as part of its mission to expand possibilities for English-language haiku, created the Touchstone Awards Series in 2010 for individual haiku and senryu (The Touchstone Award for Individual Poems) and books (The Touchstone Distinguished Books Award). In 2022, the Touchstone Award for Individual Haibun was added to recognize individual haibun.<br />
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All awards seek to reward excellence and innovation each calendar year. Results are determined through a year-long nomination and selection process and are released the following year on April 17, International Haiku Poetry Day. Award recipients are selected by independent panels comprised of authorities in the field.<br />
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https://thehaikufoundation.org/touchstone-poem-awards/<br />
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https://thehaikufoundation.org/2022-touchstone-awards-for-individual-poems-long-list/<br />
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Thank you. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:SillyWilly|SillyWilly]] ([[User talk:SillyWilly|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SillyWilly|contribs]]) .</small><br />
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: Thanks for bringing this award to other editors' attention. It appears to be legitimate and I see no reason not to create an Award Type record for it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:10, 10 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Utopia Awards ==<br />
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Hi,<br />
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Several ISFDB titles have been nominated (or won) the inaugural 2022 Utopia Awards. Considering their website, it appears to be legitimate.<br />
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https://www.android-press.com/2022-utopia-award-nominees<br />
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Would it be possible to add it to the database?<br />
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Thanks. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alittlebook|contribs]]) .</small> 09:52, 10 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I suggest waiting to see if they are awarded a second time. I can't find much about them outside of that one site. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:00, 10 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Richard Hill ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=richard+hil&type=Name; This falls under the category of "never assume anything". So I randomly found a copy of Squane's Journal #4 (1997) on eBay, a special Ramsey Campbell issue, and took the time to enter the extensive essays included, 1 of which was by a Richard Hill. Something seemed familiar about that name and, being fairly common, I checked to make sure there weren't others with that name here. It turns out that there's a Richard Hill from the USA who wrote a few SF stories in the early 70's, but he had 1 story that was dated many years after he died in 1999. Turns out that story belonged to Richard Hill (I), who wrote a few recent stories in horror publications. However, under this (I) was a 1980 anthology, Hot Air, which I entered in 2021, although I have very little recollection of doing so and apparently just did it so I could enter the original appearance of Ramsey Campbell's story "Out of Copyright" in this obscure British publication. Thinking I was clever, I added a (II) to the editor of Hot Air and also added it to the poem's author since that was written for an early 90's anthology, Now We Are Sick, edited by 2 Brits and so was almost certainly by the same Hill. However, after these edits were approved, I clicked on the Horror Zine bio under Hill (I) and discovered that, I think, the Hill who's written a few recent horror stories is the SAME GUY as the Brit Hill, since it mentions him being from Liverpool and he's obviously an older guy judging by his photo; there's also another bio I found, http://www.thehorrorzine.com/Fiction/June2012/Hill/RichardHill.html, which describes him as a widely published poet, and I notice that in the first bio there's a poem reproduced from who knows where; the title of it, Slick Jack Brady, is completely unknown to Google. So it seems a guy who edited an ultra-obscure mainstream Liverpool travelogue that's only remembered today because Campbell had a story in it decided after 30 years to suddenly write short stories in mostly American magazines (although his last story on ISFDB was in a Brit anthology). So I think I should change the 3 entries as (II) to (I) unless anyone can tell me that the recent Hill is a totally different guy who just happens to also come from Liverpool. Anyone? Hey, I just noticed something; 2 of the Hills have 1941 entered as their birth date. I assume the USA Hill was verified but I have a feeling the Brit Hill's date may be a mistake, although it's certainly possible that they both just had the same birth date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:20, 13 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Snow Fury ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?258899; [https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/BOcAAOSwwIxjMHRN/s-l1600.jpg]; Shouldn't the date be March? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:17, 14 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Yes. The verifier (who is no longer active) added the pub note stating March so I updated the pub date to match. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:36, 15 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Fekete ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=feket&type=Name; First name probably the same guy as Joe with Jr., Joe without Jr. wrote a story in 1965, could be the same guy or his dad. I noticed this when adding story links to stories in Gateway Magazine; most now have links although a few were dead or couldn't be found. Most of them are terrible, but that's besides the point. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:31, 14 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Russell Miller ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?21117; I added a link to an edition of Bare-Faced Messiah; the short story is by some lawyer, https://www.heroicfantasyquarterly.com/?p=1111, bio at bottom. I don't see anywhere online that mentions Miller stories in those other publications mentioned, 2 of which are genre and 2 of which sound like mainstream magazines. Differing needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:56, 14 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The two authors have been separated. I also updated the story with the link you provided. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:39, 15 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== FK Young ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?165423; The poem and first 2 stories are by some old pulp writer; the new guy is the subject of a recent post on Wormwoodiana. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:52, 17 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:They've been separated. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:17, 20 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Rare Ligotti Story ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5641814; Ligotti.net, according to an article I read, existed in several incarnations and the early ones are lost, but someone got parts of it from somewhere so, while trying to get a link for "Teeth" by Matt Cardin (his first story), the link to which just defaults to the modern Ligotti site and a "not found" page, I saw there were other stories listed, including a few from the man himself. 2 sounded familiar but "Ghost Stories for the Dead" didn't, and it turns out it's never been collected. It was reprinted in Crypt of Cthulhu in '89 but it turns out it's from '82. The index on philsp.com is wrong; E. M. Cioran is not a pseudonym of Ligotti but a real poet, and this article, https://www.ligotti.net/showthread.php?t=527&page=2, mentions his admiration and that he used a quote to introduce "Ghost Stories", which is probably why the index is confused. I mention all this in case anyone ever enters the missing issues of Grimoire here, only 1 and 4 currently, because as usual online info is not to be trusted. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5641848; The feoamante.com site, still online but dead, gave me a link to the old Ligotti site, when they were using a totally different URL, www.longshadows.com, so I've replaced the archived link since this one says 1999 while the previous one said 2019 (although the earliest links are May and October 1999 but when you click on them they refuse to go to those archived pages and instead go to November; spooky). Also, I found Cardin's story "Notes of a Mad Copyist"; it's also on the 2019 archived site but while the old site shows it just fine the new one is completely black and the text needs highlighting to read it; sadly, "Teeth" is missing on the old site, too, and Cardin revised many of his stories for his collections, so it would be good to read the original; if anyone can find it on some other old site I don't know about that would be great. I also discovered that Ligotti's story "Allen and Adelaide" is on ISFDB twice, the 1981 original and the 1989 Crypt of Cthulhu reprint, the difference being & vs. and, so I've made them variants. One I'm not sure about is "Three Scientists", https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2702155, which actually contains the first 3 titles here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360640, with their 1985 dates being because, according to online info, they originated in Songs of a Dead Dreamer, problem being the earliest edition on ISFDB is 1986 and no edition contains any of them. I also notice the first title was in a 1986 poetry best-of, so 1985 is likely correct, except it's actually from 1982, so this is a problem. How to variant the 3 titles to the original umbrella title is the question I have. Also, anyone who can further clean up Ligotti's info would be appreciated. Just now I found his poem "Envoi" on some obscure site and added a link. EDIT: I see that Cardin has several stories which are in his record twice, with one being spelled differently (Theater vs. Theater), so variants likely needed there. I also found a link to his recent huge collection To Rouse Leviathan, https://archive.bookfrom.net/build_in_search/?q=matt+cardin, on a site which probably shouldn't be linked to in his record so I'll just leave it here in case anyone just wants to read the stories. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2749745; 3 titles mentioned in note are also individual stories on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:33, 21 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Balefires ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?215571; 2009 PB on Archive.org, I added a link in a pending edit, I think 2008 PB is redundant and can be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:04, 21 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Duplicate deleted. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:16, 21 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Saxton Stories ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?124321; The variant for "Woe..." is correct, I checked, but "Heads Africa...", as confirmed from PV of Orbit edition where it first appeared, has no comma after Africa but it does in Saxton's collection; also, is it correct that "Gordon's Women" is dated '76, French date, but "Pollyanna Enzyme" is dated '86, collection date, and not '80, German date? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:04, 24 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Razar ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5644587; Bewildering Stories, which only has recent issues indexed here, has many stories in old issues that are here and while adding some links I saw a story, "Groomed", by Chris Bartholomew that jogged my memory. It's in this weird anthology but the problem is 2 of his stories were jumbled together so it's here as "Ante Up Groomed"; I also noticed some of his other stories don't have exactly the same titles as here. So if anyone can access the full issue a lot of fixes can be done, along with page numbers, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:31, 24 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Novelization for Unfilmed Screenplay? ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5638720 this submission]. The [[Template:TitleFields:Novelization|help template]] specifies that the novelization flag is for "novelization of a movie, TV show, game or other '''non-written work'''" (emphasis mine). I may be splitting hairs here, but it strikes me that this work is an adaptation of a screenplay (a written work which would be eligible itself were it published), rather than a novelization. Do we want to include this sort of thing in the novelization flag? --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:39, 25 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:If a film using the screenplay had been made, wouldn't this be a typical novelization? To my simple mind, the act of filming the screenplay has no bearing on the nature of novel. It seems to me novelization should be adaptation-as-a-novel of any work produced for delivery via a non-"reading" medium. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:14, 25 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Perhaps a rewording to something like "novelization '''of the screenplay or script''' of a movie, TV show, game, or other non-written work" (emphasis added to show the new wording). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:00, 25 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Don't replace the word '''movie'''. See [https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?197778 Luana] for a reason. The fact the movie was not filmed (or distributed or shown) seems irrelevant. I'm more in agreement with MartyD's approach, but why limit it to non-"reading"? A play has a script delivered via a non-"reading" medium - acting - so should novels produced from them should be novelizations? Play scripts have been published, though rarely. But do we allow for novelizations from short stories? or poems (Beowolf?)? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 16:30, 25 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I didn't replace the word "movie" in my suggested rewording, so I'm not sure what you mean. Also, I wouldn't call ''Luana'' a novelization since he just made up a story based on the poster and watching a movie in a language he didn't understand. That's not novelizing. That's making it up wholesale, with a little inspiration from visuals. It's a completely different story. <br />
:::As for play novelizations, I'd consider those covered under the "or other non-written work" part. Expanding a short story into a novel is not so much novelization as it is making up entirely new scenarios and plots based on the short content of the original story. Same with a poem. For me, a novelization is an adaptation of a similarly-lengthy (so not short stories or poems) visual medium such as television, movies, games, plays, and the like. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:11, 25 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::If it helps, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novelization Wikipedia] defines it as "a derivative novel that adapts the story of a work created for another medium, such as a film, TV series, stage play, comic book or video game." ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:15, 25 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: FWIW I tagged [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2885785 the Pat Cadigan adaptation of the William Gibson attempt at Alien 3], which seems to be a similar scenario to the edit in question here, as a novelization, and that edit was approved by Annie back in 2021 when I didn't have self mod privs. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 17:18, 25 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) One of the challenges here is that -- in most cases -- we don't know how much the "novelizer" relied on the written script/plot outline that the media work was based on. Chances are that the author watched/played the media work in question at least once, but it's also likely that the author was familiar the script/plot outline. It's entirely possible that some novels/stories which we list as "novelizations" and which say "Based on [media work]!" on the cover were primarily based on script/plot outlines as opposed to on actual media works. (I say this in part because that's how some novelizations read.)<br />
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Because of this uncertainty I would be inclined to use the "novelization" flag and then add a note explaining the gory details. Even if we don't use the flag, we'll want to add notes.<br />
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After reviewing the linked Help template I am also thinking that we could profitably clarify the text in other ways, but that's a separate issue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:25, 25 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I think the clarification should consider what ISFDB wants to consider 'novelization' to be, as opposed to relying on external definitions. Interestingly we have a Note saying that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?20417 Peter Pan] is a novelization of a play, but the Novelization flag is not set. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:22, 26 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: The flag is relatively new -- we used to use the contents field with specifically designed strings before and these were not set as often as the flags are now. I often find such obvious omissions... :) <br />
:: I think that if something claims to be a novelization, we put the flag up and add a note with all the details we know - until more evidence is found that makes that incorrect (then we change the note and explain why it is not a novelization). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:25, 26 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: This may be more of a Rules and Standards topic, but here are my thoughts:<br />
::::* A novelization must follow the same plot as the "media work" being novelized. If a work of written fiction is set in a media universe but has an original plot, it is not a novelization. This rule excludes original novels and stories set in media universes like Star Wars, Star Trek, Warcraft, etc.<br />
::::* A single work of written fiction which follows the plots of multiple TV episodes can be entered as a novelization if the plot is close enough to the original plots. Borderline cases are left to the editor's discretion provided the specific are explained in Notes.<br />
::::* If a script, a screenplay, a libretto or a plot outline (e.g. for a game) which was used to produce a "media work" is subsequently published in written form without alteration, it is ''not'' considered a novelization.<br />
::::* An expansion or amalgamation of pre-existing works of written fiction into another work of written fiction (e.g. fix-ups) is ''not'' considered a novelization.<br />
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== Portuguese Jedi ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?852871; I think this should be a variant of an English-language novel, right? Also, it's Kahn who wrote Star Wars novels, not Khan, so that might be wrong (and James Khan has a recent story in his record, so there may actually be a Khan totally unrelated to the Star Wars guy). This, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1394010, seems to have been done correctly. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:36, 26 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Varianted. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:17, 26 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Fire Worm ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?5223; I just added a link in a pending edit to the Grafton edition; it mentions "Jingling Geordie's Hole" on copyright page, a 1986 Interzone story that (I think) is used for one of the chapters and seems to be mentioned elsewhere in the novel. No edition on ISFDB mentions this fact, so should it be noted somewhere or should the story be imported? Also, and I have a vague memory of asking this before, but the e-reads edition says 1988, which is wrong because that company wasn't founded until 1999. It's 1 of 6 with a too-early date on ISFDB, none PV, so fixing shouldn't be a problem if anyone knows what dates they really should have. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:40, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It might be 1998-12-01, which would work okay. That's around the dawn of ebooks. Also, [https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=31329187634&searchurl=an%3Dwatson%2Bian%26sortby%3D17%26tn%3Dfire%2Bworm&cm_sp=snippet-_-srp1-_-title8 this listing] on Abebooks states the novel is based on the "Jingling Geordie's Hole" short story, so that's what the mention was likely referring to. The short was apparently expanded into the novel. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:10, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I've changed the year based on the assumption 1988 is just a typo. I added a note about it, too. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:13, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::https://openlibrary.org/works/OL3691729W/The_Fire_Worm?edition=key%3A/books/OL8007597M#editions-list; 2002 e-book and 9/2004 PB, so there's probably several releases for each book by the company. Also, I think the complete short story is in the novel, copyright page says the story "first appeared" in Interzone. This, https://archive.org/stream/interzone-26/Interzone26_djvu.txt, says "constructed around" the "originally self-contained" story, so someone more familiar than I with Watson's work would need to see if the story is in the novel complete, spread among the chapters, etc. Likely importing the story would be incorrect but certainly a note could be added mentioning the novel's based around the story. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:41, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== New SFWA "Infinity Award" category ==<br />
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https://file770.com/sfwas-inaugural-infinity-award-honoree-is-octavia-e-butler/<br />
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Looks to be the same sort of thing as the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_category.cgi?412+0 Grand Master Award]. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:37, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Cool. She's a great author. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 22:22, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: The official press release is [https://www.sfwa.org/2023/04/27/the-inaugural-infinity-award-honoree-octavia-e-butler/ here]. As near as I can tell, the first Infinity award will be presented at the 2023 "Annual Nebula Awards® Ceremony", but it will be separate from the Nebula award. Unlike the Bradbury award and the Norton award, the Infinity award is not mentioned on the [http://nebulas.sfwa.org/about-the-nebulas/nebula-rules/ Nebula Rules page]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 00:48, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: FWIW the Grand Master Award isn't listed on that rules page either. Looking at [https://nebulas.sfwa.org/award-year/2021/ their page for last year's awards], Grand Master, Solstice and Service to SFWA are all in a "Other Awards" list on the right, separate from the main "Nebula Awards" list.<br />
::: In passing, I note a couple of potential other issues that might need resolving:<br />
::: * Some of the category naming is inconsistent: the YA, dramatic and service awards have a person's name before them, but we don't have '''Damon Knight''' Grand Master Award or '''Kate Wilhelm''' Solstice Award. Looks like these were renamed after their inception - [SFE says] 2002 for Damon Knight and 2016 for Kate Wilhelm. I know from the likes of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?27 Campbell / Astounding] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?43 Tiptree / Otherwise] that the main award records try to capture name changes, I dunno if there are official rules and standards at the category level<br />
::: * [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?31 The Nebula note] says ''"Note that the "Andre Norton Award" and the "Ray Bradbury Award" are awarded at the same time, although they aren't strictly Nebulas"'', but this is contradicted by the SFWA rules page which references "The Andre Norton Nebula Award" and "The Ray Bradbury Nebula Award", and that on the 2021 results page, they are listed alongside the other Nebulas, rather than the "Other Awards" sidebar. I have a vague recollection that they might have become "proper" Nebulas - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebula_Award Wikipedia] says this happened in 2019.<br />
::: Anyone with more insight or opinion on these? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 07:04, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: I think we discussed the SFWA Grand Master Award at some point after its name was changed to "Damon Knight Memorial Grand Master Award". If memory serves, we considered renaming it to "Grand Master Award / Damon Knight Memorial Grand Master Award", but it felt awkward. Now that we have more experience with changing award names, I think expanding the award name would be a good idea.<br />
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:::: As to whether the Norton and Bradbury awards are technically Nebula categories, I have reviewed [https://daviddlevine.com/2019/04/i-am-now-officially-a-nebula-award-winner/ the 2019 blog post] that the Wikipedia article links to and I am still not sure I understand how it works. It would be best to find an official announcement before we start changing things.<br />
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:::: In the meantime, I have created a new [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?103 Award Type record], a new [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_category.cgi?1065+0 Award Category record] and a new [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?78337 Award record] for {{A|Octavia E. Butler}}. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:10, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Clint Smith ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5648349; SFE says it's not the same guy as the later horror writer; https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/smith_clint. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:02, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I sent a message to the SFE editors asking about that since their bio says to not confuse the Clint Smith they list with the one who did the Gholjaw collection, but they list the Ghouljaw collection in that same bio. In the meantime, I've added a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?362778 Clint Smith (I)] entry until we know more. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:08, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: The SFE entry has been fixed and I have added notes to the ISFDB record. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:12, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Carl (J.) Hoffman ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5648405; Here's a weird one. This rare book was uploaded recently so I made the above edit, checked afterwards for Carl J. Hoffman, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2144766, I think it's a mistake and should be this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?945236. Mistake by editor here or Italian editor in the Horror Story anthology? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:09, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Third Alternative #6 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?61651; I fixed a poem title ("Latest Things") and there's a story that's dated March here, there's 2 mentions in the zine of March, I propose all contents and issue itself be dated March. Yes or no? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:59, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:I think if you could find a scan of #5 and it had an "In March" section on the TOC page (as this one has "In July"), you could use March and cite that as the source of the date. Unfortunately, there's no source cited for the March date on "The Bee Keepers", so we can't tell if there was something ascribing a March date to this issue and how authoritative that source might be. Otherwise, the standard treatment for issues with timing specified by season is to use just the year, so we're stuck. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:42, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dom and Va ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5648943; ISBN trouble. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:19, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:That's what shows on the copyright page as well as the LOC entry, so that's what we go with. I added a couple additional notes based on the Archive.org copy that's linked there. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:56, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Flexi-Disc?!? ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5649045; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5649045; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5649045; Related to my mention here somewhere a while ago that magazines uploaded years ago on Archive.org aren't always complete, I took a look at these since there were only a few issues published. The first 2 had a few things fixed/added, but the 3rd is most interesting. According to front cover, contents, and intro something called a "flexi-disc" with music from The Bridge, an old Skipp & Spector horror novel that apparently was made into a film or something, was included in this issue. Now I'm certainly no youngster but I don't have a clue what that is; was it some pre-Internet music format or something? Was it like a CD? Anyway, the uploader, Sketch the Cow, who added a metric ton of old genre zines years ago, likely removed the disc but it seems to have screwed up the pages because there are several missing. Most alarming is the supposed JK Potter art for the Ray Bradbury poem, a little bit of which is on the contents page but nowhere to be seen in the zine itself. So I think the starting page entered here may be off for at least the poem, possibly others, too. Any chance someone owns a mint copy who's willing to unseal it and respond here? Also, there's always the possibility I missed a few other mistakes in these issues; there's also movie reviews and such that someone may think are worth entering, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:38, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Hi, Username!<br />
: Flexi disc is phonograph record made of thin, literally flexible :) piece of vinyl. <br />
: Those discs used as a means to include sound (speech or music) with printed magazines or sometimes books before CDs.<br />
: For an example, look at the popular Soviet literary and musical magazine [https://back-in-ussr.com/2021/02/sovetskiy-muzykalnyy-zhurnal-krugozor.html "Krugozor"] (the article is in Russian, but it should be clear from the photos). --[[User:Zlogorek|Zlogorek]] ([[User talk:Zlogorek|talk]]) 04:50, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks. I see that I've never left a message on your page in all the years you've been here, so welcome. This Bridge flexi-disc thing is bugging me because there's literally almost no mention of it online that I can find except on discogs.com and a random comment on Goodreads where a guy named "Tom" says "At least I have a flexi-disc of one song from the soundtrack". Highly unusual when every minute detail of almost everything is mentioned somewhere. Skipp and Spector were once 2 of the most popular horror authors around so you'd think this item would be hot stuff but no, nothing. The important thing, though, is finding a complete issue of Iniquities #3 so we can see exactly how the contents are. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:53, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Nina A. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?328172; These are both by Nina Allan. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:23, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I have fixed the Strange Horizon review, as that can be clearly seen to be correctly attributed on the SH webpage.<br />
: The story is a bit more of a pain, because it's in a PVed pub, and there are some other related issues. I'll message the editor in question. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 11:21, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jewish Fiction Award ==<br />
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The [https://jewishlibraries.org/jewish-fiction-award/ Jewish Fiction Award] has been given by the Association of Jewish Libraries to works with significant Jewish themes each year since 2018 (first year they were awarded). It looks like these are the types of awards:<br />
*Winner<br />
*Honor Book<br />
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This is a general fiction award for novels or collections of short fiction by a single author, with genre works winning or receiving honors on occasion. It doesn't appear to be a poll (I can't find details on exactly how the winner is decided each year), there's no fee to enter, works published only as ebooks are not eligible, reprints of previously-published work are not eligible, and the full guidelines are [https://jewishlibraries.org/fiction-award-submission-guidelines/ here]. Should we add it? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:45, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The organization behind the award has been [https://jewishlibraries.org/history/ around for generations] and they have given awards to SF works like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2993594 ''Atomic Anna'']. Looks eligible to me. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:03, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Hearing no objection, I have created a new [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?104 award type], two award categories and two award records. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:36, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Thanks! Those are the only two I could determine are genre. None of the others seemed like genre works. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:03, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Lovecraft Studies ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5650639; A dozen random issues of this magazine were uploaded on Archive.org in 2016 but today, while looking for something else, I stumbled on a single issue that was uploaded by a completely different person in 2021. Surprisingly, there was quite a bit that needed added/fixing; I tried my best, but I'm sure someone can improve on a few things after it's approved. Dirk B. entered it here in 2019 so he might want to look at it. Also, I made a follow-up edit merging "More Chain Lightning" by Lovecraft, keeping 1915 date and essay format. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:23, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mr. Murphy ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5651017; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5651022; There's a note by someone discussing Jim/James A. Moore's name in the anthology but it turns out Murphy's name was wrong here; however, in their novel he really was credited just as Kevin Murphy. There's also a story, "Awake", published in old British horror zine Peeping Tom, many 90's/early 2000's cover art credits (some for books by Moore and so very possibly by the same Murphy who wrote with him), an interview with a guy from the old MST3K show, and a (II) who wrote a letter to Analog in the late 70's. So when my edits are approved the Murphys need separating if anyone can figure out who's who. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:33, 1 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Tinmey ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=tinm&type=Name; Same person, probably. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:49, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Peter Tate ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?11147; Note in his first story says it's slightly different version of the second story. Should they be made variants? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:36, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Looking for 90s e-zine Cosmic Visions ==<br />
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Good afternoon. I am trying to find any information about the late 90s ezine 'Cosmic Visions' that was put out by John Fultz for several years. I spoke to the editor myself, and he said he had no records or copies remaining. Specificaly, I am trying to find the September '97 edition which included a story by Stanley C. Sargent called "Synopticon of Fear". Does anyone have a lead re. any collectors or archivists out there that may be able to point me in the right direction? Thank you! --[[User:MagusManders|MagusManders]] ([[User talk:MagusManders|talk]]) 15:24, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Was it published on a website? If so, do you know what the URL was? Was it published as an ebook? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:46, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::It was an ebook, distributed via PDF from cosmicvisions.com. The website went down in 1998, but there's some archived pages [https://web.archive.org/web/19970414113406/http://www.cosmicvisions.com/ here]. The editor told me that becase the copyrights were donated, each issue had an "expiration" date, but it wasn't clear to me if this meant he would stop distributing it, or if the files actually deleted themselves. And thanks for fixing my posting error. --[[User:MagusManders|MagusManders]] ([[User talk:MagusManders|talk]]) 15:59, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::https://web.archive.org/web/19970416090028/http://www.cosmicvisions.com/html/cvse.pdf; Only PDF in the archived pages as far as I can tell. None of the contents are on ISFDB. Whoopee. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:34, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::https://web.archive.org/web/20111119172143/http://www.stanleycsargent.com/bibliography.html; Looks like he had 5 stories in Cosmic Visions and an interview with Bruce Campbell, star of the Evil Dead movies (evidence of that seemingly nowhere online at present). So I think a lot more than the story you mentioned above are elusive; the only evidence of it I see is your comments on Reddit. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/note_search_results.cgi?OPERATOR=contains&NOTE_VALUE=cosmic+visions; famed author Brian A. Hopkins had a bunch of stories in the zine; non-famous author Sean Rodgers had at least one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:30, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Well, I'm working my way through the archived pages and trying to add what I can find. You can see the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?69784 issue grid here] for what I've entered so far. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:38, 3 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::It looks like a lot of big names were in this zine and it seemed to run for a long time. I keep finding random mentions in online bibliographies and such (even on LYSATOR, for God's sake), but I'd be happy if I could just find the Campbell interview. At least we now have that PDF linked here. Even the guy who ran the zine didn't seem to mention it; he probably forgot it was there. Websites in the nineties are like fossils now. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:52, 3 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Based on what I can find, it appears the magazine folded shortly after the January 1998 issue. I can't find anything in the archives about any issues beyond that one. So, it appears to have lasted about 1.5 years. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:17, 3 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::It looks like Robert Silverberg, Thomas Ligotti, Lin Carter, and Brian Lumley all contributed based on the entry on [http://www.lysator.liu.se/sf_archive/SF_resource_guide/sfrgc4.htm this page]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:31, 3 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I'm curious how you know "Synopticon of Fear" was in the September 1997 issue. I can't find that information anywhere, though I may not be searching for the right information. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:23, 3 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Ah, it's on the [https://web.archive.org/web/20111119172143/http://www.stanleycsargent.com/bibliography.html bibliography page archive] linked by Username, above. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:27, 3 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I think I've gotten the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?17678 Stanley C. Sargent] bibliography as far as I can with the current sources I've found. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:28, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Wow, thank you Nihonjoe and Username! You jumped on this faster than I could have imagined and did more than I could have myself! I am going to try to reach Robert M. Price to see if he has anything in his archives he's able to share, and I'll reach out to you if there's anything to be found. --[[User:MagusManders|MagusManders]] ([[User talk:MagusManders|talk]]) 14:22, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::You're welcome. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:01, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Atwood's Dancing Girls ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5653645; Nobody ever entered original Seal PB so I did from recently uploaded scan but got ISBN trouble. Only site in Google Search with the ISBN without the dashes is Open Library which of course links to Archive.org, but there's also 1 lonely site that has the ISBN with the dashes, https://leavesandpages.com/2012/07/03/review-dancing-girls-by-margaret-atwood/. So somebody out there has a copy with the same ISBN. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:00, 3 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Changing the checksum digit did not result in a valid ISBN. In these cases, we move the ISBN to the catalog field and make a note that it has an invalid ISBN in the pub notes. I have taken care of that. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:34, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Added another link to a copy and replaced cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:25, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_publisher&O_2=contains&TERM_2=seal&USE_3=author_canonical&O_3=contains&TERM_3=atwood&USE_4=pub_note&O_4=contains&TERM_4=isbn&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication]; Bluesman moved ISBN to ID like you did for one of his PV and left some notes in both PV about ISBN; apparently spines need to be seen to get the real ISBN. I just added the month to the 3rd printing using eBay and the ISBN on spine doesn't match that on copyright page, so Seal books were a mess, it seems. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:16, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Constable ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?532472; While adding a bunch of edits for Jonathan Aycliffe books I discovered a lot of the recent editions had wrong covers with somewhat different text. Constable & Robinson is the publisher for most on ISFDB but I also got a Corsair. Problem is most were actually published by the Constable imprint, with that publisher being on the title page and the copyright page mentioning it's an imprint of Constable & Robinson, but there's only a handful on ISFDB with imprint/publisher being entered correctly (I've fixed the few I've come across in my edits). However, Corsair is also an imprint of theirs and yet there are nearly 200 books on ISFDB by them but none as an imprint. That's a separate issue, but I'm only interested in this particular case where Constable is on the title page but copyright page now says it's an imprint of Little, Brown. There doesn't seem to be any combination of those on ISFDB so how should this imprint/publisher be entered? A text search on Archive.org revealed that the copyright text about Little, Brown for Aycliffe books only finds this one. There's several Little, Brown publishers on ISFDB, ISBN 1-4721 leads to several British ones. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:43, 4 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: From the 3 Constable anthologies I have print (*) pubs to hand for, it looks like something changed around 2014/5:<br />
: - [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?423965 Dozois' Best New SF 26] has "First published in the UK by Robinson, / an imprint of Constable & Robinson Ltd., 2013", and no mention of Little, Brown anywhere on the copyright page<br />
: - [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?573707 His Best New SF 29] by contrast has "First published in Great Britain in 2016 by Robinson"; there's no mention of Constable anywhere on the page, but down at the bottom it does have "Robinson / An imprint of Little, Brown Book Group". I note also that the address is the Hachette UK HQ at Carmelite House, whereas the previous 2013 book has Russell Square.<br />
: - [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?550958 The Mammoth Book of Kaiju] is also 2016 and has the same details as Best New SF 29.<br />
: (* I also have a bunch more of their anthologies in ebook that presumably have similar details, but as I'm led to believe that some people don't think there's any value in keeping records of them, I was disinclined to spend time digging them out and investigating further.)<br />
: Re. how these should be entered, I'll let someone more experienced speak to that, but my reading of [[Template:PublicationFields:Publisher]] is that whilst "Foo / Bar" may be preferable to "Foo" or "Bar", neither of the latter are intrinsically "incorrect"? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:59, 4 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK, thanks. Except for the sarcasm. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:07, 4 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Machen Merges ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?55418; Person who entered contents, J.D. Cowan (has their own record on ISFDB) didn't merge anything in the 2nd and 3rd volumes and a few things in the first may not be merged, either, from what I can tell. They seem to have generated a lot of messages on their page about not entering things properly but never answered any of them so it's pointless to leave a message there; if anyone wants to merge all of that I'm letting you know. Machen's stories were published under a mess of slightly different title variations so it probably won't be easy. Also, looking at his ISFDB page I see that stories jump from 1937 to 3 1987 Italian titles, a 2019 Italian title, and a 2022 Portuguese title; the 2019 story, Un frammento di vita, capitolo IV, is possibly the same as the last poem on his page, Un frammento di Vita, so that's another issue. Is it a story or a poem? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:57, 4 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Duplicates merged. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:50, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== FIRE ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5654147; Judging by edit history the title changed back and forth, with Stonecreek, I believe, entering the full title, but shouldn't all words be capitalized? ISFDB doesn't care how it's entered in the book, words should be capitalized, I seem to remember reading that somewhere? Also, Hand's ISFDB author image is the cover of this book; it would be nice if someone could find a good one to replace it with. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:51, 4 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dutch Tilly ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?542210; I have a few suggestions. There's a copy, https://archive.org/details/tillyroman0000pere, which is 111 pages, not 112, unless that last unnumbered page is in some way a part of the novel, in which case a note should be added about last page being unnumbered. Also, the subtitle Roman is not needed because it just means novel and those kinds of things aren't included in titles per ISFDB rules. Most importantly, this is some later edition judging by copyright page and 13-digit ISBN. By the way, there must be other genre-related books from this publisher, right? Because this is the only one on ISFDB. EDIT: I discovered something interesting while adding a link to the English-language edition; it says "a novel" on the cover but "the novel" on the title page because apparently it was originally an audio drama in 1986. So I don't know how exactly English translates to Dutch but if it's "the novel" then possibly that was meant to delineate between this print edition and the original spoken word. In which case subtitle "The Novel" should be added to the English and "Roman" left as is in the Dutch. If anyone cares about something so minor. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:11, 4 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bill Prosser ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/horrorshorrorsho0000unse/page/181/mode/1up; A rare British edition of one of Helen Hoke's thousand or so anthologies was just uploaded on Archive.org, I added a link and fixed the ISBN (which was incorrectly the same as the American ISBN) somebody entered from WorldCat, I think (I have a feeling a lot of stuff is wrong in these books considering how many different editors here entered them over the years and the insane mess of multiple printings, interior art being re-used between USA and British but often totally different cover art, etc.). However, in this case what I want to know is if there's a way to extract an image from the back flap, because there's actually a clear photo of Bill Prosser, who did interior art and British covers which are pretty awesome (sometimes re-used for USA, sometimes not). Date is 1978 but he looks like a dirty hippie who just crawled out of a commune in Haight-Ashbury or whatever the British equivalent of that was so I'm assuming this was an old photo that probably is in other British Hoke editions if anyone could actually find the damn things. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:47, 4 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:If you could update [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:Bill_Prosser.JPG this] page with the appropriate template variables, it should serve. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:08, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I'm a moron. I have no idea what that means so if you could explain further. Also, should I click on the image link and add it to his record in an edit? I think probably yes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:22, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::And I'm a maroon. I didn't know where or how to connect it up and this was the best I could do as it was just graphics. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 22:15, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::I have [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File%3ABill_Prosser.JPG&type=revision&diff=661373&oldid=661301 filled in] the license template. Each template page has the instructions for completing the template. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:37, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Masterless Swords ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5654953; Obscure NZ newspaper article has revealed the contents, the titles of which seem to be nowhere on the web. However, I'm assuming the first 2 should be marked non-genre after this is approved. The article doesn't explicitly state the 3rd story's title but it's implied; there's a copy on eBay which shows title page but not contents page, so if anyone here has a copy that could help with possibly identifying the cover artist, verifying the title, and determining story lengths (I'm guessing it's 3 novellas). EDIT: I thought of searching newspapers.com and got 1 hit in an English paper but sign-up is required so I searched Google, verbatim, and got nothing but searching non-verbatim got 1 hit, https://eresources.nlb.gov.sg/newspapers/digitised/issue/straitstimes19480422-1, which shows a little bit of a review on p. 9 which seems, from the text, like a different review than that above, so if anyone has a subscription or whatever then possibly this review may verify the 3rd story's title, which is the only genre one and the most important. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:18, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:This author is not above the threshold IMO so their non-genre content would not be eligible. While the newspaper review implies the title is the same as the collection title ("third story explains the title"), but it is not explicit. We need a better source for the title. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:21, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jack Red Bear ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5655023; I think the right thing is making original a variant of the more common name, right? If so, shouldn't the date of Strete title be 1977-10-00, date of his collection it appeared in under that name? Also, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=nocka&type=All+Titles, where Strete supposedly wasn't even co-credited in the original and apparently it was by Strete under an alternate title and then the original title in his collection. I'm passing the baton on that one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:56, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I varianted both stories to being by Bear and Strete. Due to how ISFDB works, if they were varianted to just Strete, they would disappear from the Bear page & we'd be left with an empty author page. It seems quite possible Bear was an alternate name for Strete so I added that to the {{A|Jack Red Bear}} author page, but without a source, it will have to remain speculation. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:12, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Selkie Questions ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Willem_H.#Signet_Selkie; I tried discussing things with this guy but he's giving me his usual attitude so I'm going to ask further questions on this board. So I see from edit history that back in my early days here I entered the exact HC date using a clear photo of a review copy slip that's on FantLab. Recently I entered a later printing of the Signet PB but things were messy because the map date said March due to somebody messing with the date long ago, although he claims it was in 2010 but I don't see that anywhere, I think he meant 2009. He fixed the map date so now it should obviously be imported into the HC since that's where it comes from. So do others here see, as I do, that the map is also on p. [6] of the HC like it is in the PB? PV of HC doesn't respond except by e-mail which I'm definitely not sending. He PV it in 2007, prehistoric days in terms of this site, so maybe people weren't entering things like maps back then. Also, if anyone thinks the page count really needs [6] added to it like this guy did for his PB PV they can always add it to the HC and my PB entry, you have my permission, although there's still the case of the mysterious 1990 12th printing entered, possibly, by Bluesman who's long-gone and also where printings 2, 4-11, and possibly more are and whether they all included the map. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:29, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:See [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?1351644 this submission] from April 2010, scroll down to Modified Regular Titles and you see the date change of the map to 1982-03-00. That was not messing with the date, but aligning it with the date of the hardcover edition, (1982-03-00 since [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?1241153 this october 2009 edit]. I pointed to the edit that changed the date to 1982-04-16 in May 2021. I also pointed to the helptext that explains why the pagenumber should be [6] for the first paperback printing. Is there anyone else who thinks this has anything to do with "attitude", or is this simply the same editor complaining whenever someone disagrees with anything he does? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 15:13, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::You also advised me that you skipped an edit I made for the HC of this book because I didn't leave a note on the PV's page even though it wasn't changing anything but just importing the map credit which either PV didn't think needed entering or maybe entering map info wasn't a thing here back in 2007, and whoever entered the map info in the PB forgot/didn't know or care to import it themselves (I see from edit history that the map was likely entered by Bluesman and APPROVED BY Mhhutchins, the same person who didn't enter it in the original HC that they PV, so why after approving it in the PB he didn't just import it himself to his own PV is a mystery that maybe you can ask him/her). Plus the fact that the PV has pretty much given up and doesn't respond to much of anything these days, requesting people send them an e-mail which I'm not going to do because the last thing I want is anyone on this site knowing my e-mail address. After our initial encounter a long time ago where you threw a fit because I told you I changed a few things in one of your PV and a few later unpleasant discussions we had you actually seemed to be responding professionally for a while to several of my messages without giving me much of a problem but I guess your meds ran out or something because you're back to your old self. You were the only active PV of the PB so I was trying to sort out the mess as I've done for thousands of other books but apparently your personal problems, whatever they are, are more important. Who cares, 50,000 edits done so far, losing 1 here or there doesn't bother me. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:10, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Please note that "your meds ran out or something" is a personal attack. They are not allowed as per [[ISFDB:Policy#Blocking_Policy]]. A warning has been left on [[User:Username]]'s Talk page as per the Policy. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:56, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== F&SF Sep/Oct 2022 ==<br />
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I noticed on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?20325 the F&SF series page] that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3103984 the Sep/Oct 2022 issue] isn't part of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2971585 the 2022 record]. I only have a vague understanding/recollection of how magazines work, so I'll let someone more familiar with them work out if this should really be like that, and if not, how it should be fixed. (FWIW that standalone issue is PVed, but by an editor who hasn't been around since the start of the year.) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 08:54, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I merged the two title records together. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:09, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks. (I'm currently in the middle of adding the remaining 100-odd Locus Award finalists, and didn't want to get sidetracked spending a bunch of time looking into that tangentially related issue.) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 10:05, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== A pricing anomaly ==<br />
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If we ever get into codifying multiple prices, here's an oddity to keep in mind - a book with two prices that are date dependent. <br />
"£19.99 until 31 December 1998" / "£24.99 from 1 January 1999". ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?949447 The Silmarillion]) ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 12:09, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== RVT ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=ray+van+tilb&type=Name; Very likely the same person, problem is 2 of the publications are scarce zines and the Dragon issue, which I checked on annarchive.com, says Raymond Van Tilburg. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:17, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:[https://efanzines.com/Argentus/Ag13.pdf This] explains (and lets us correct) the Tilberg [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?584053 here]. It's "Ray van Tilburg" on the cover and several mentions, but the artwork credit list below the TOC says "p.20 Ray van Tilberg". The artwork is credited on p. 20, however, with "Ray VanTilburg". The text associated with that begins "Ray Van Tilburg has a niche...". I am going to change it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 15:55, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::One follow-up on all of this: A little Googling reveals "VanTilburg" is correct, not "Van Tilburg". See the litany of [https://www.pinterest.com/aircool66/ Pinterest], [https://www.facebook.com/RayVanTilburgArt/ Facebook], [https://www.etsy.com/shop/ArtofRayVanTilburg Etsy], and his [https://offworlddesigns.com/ OffWorld Designs Art] site. Per ISFDB standard, spacing is normalized when recording the credit, so I am going to remove the space from the canonical name and note that an extra space is sometimes included in credits. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:36, 7 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Brown's Brightest Day ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=the+brightest+day&type=Fiction+Titles; While adding links to stories that were on the old House of Pain horror site I added a link to Eric S. Brown story "The Brightest Day" but according to ISFDB it was published in a 2002 issue of Black Petals as Eric Brown, which means that is lumped in with the well-known Eric Brown who wrote a lot of SF. So if anyone knows how to get that issue of Black Petals and verify what his name is then either it can be variant or merge. I suspect there are other stories on Eric Brown's page here that belong to Eric S. Brown. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:07, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Shumate Story ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Biomassbob#Time_To_Scare_Gramma; I suppose titles should be merged since they're the same but the lengths are totally different, so what do you suggest? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:27, 7 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Le James Bond ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?260470; French edition, https://archive.org/details/jamesbondchassea0000otfi, if anyone wants to enter it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:07, 7 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Leokum ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5657866; While doing this I saw an Arkady Leokum on Wikipedia with different birth/death dates but at the bottom of his credits is a book with Posnick (it's on Archive.org). Just thought that was weird. Maybe dad and son? Wiki mentions "pulp fiction" (doesn't list any, though) so maybe they're confusing Leonard with his dad, except that Wiki mentions a son but his name is Peter. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:13, 7 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Linton Christmas Story ==<br />
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http://www.philsp.com/homeville/FMI/n04/n04934.htm#A181; 2 separate titles that don't match the title here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2851147. EDIT: I made these 2 edits, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5658281, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5658282, but there's a problem with "The Veiled Portrait" because it was given the wrong name and the date doesn't match either of these, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1359048, so I think somebody with a copy of this book needs to correct info somebody entered here; it seems to be Toff, who judging by the few entries on their page also entered some other Valancourt anthologies, so a look at those may be needed, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:16, 7 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Asimov's Essays: The Hugo Winners ==<br />
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On Asimov's summary page we have the series [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?68833 Introductions for 'The Hugo Winners']. This excludes his other essays - afterwords, postscripts and appendices - and so I propose enabling their inclusion by renaming the existing series to "Asimov's Essays: The Hugo Winners". What do others think? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:48, 7 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: The existing series has only Asimov's essays, and is missing the introduction by [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?135920 Charles Sheffield]. Not including it suggests the title is wrong, but including it keeps it from being Asimov as your proposed title suggests. Also, prefixing it with "Asimov's Essays:" suggests that there are, or should be, other collections of his essays. Given how many he has written and how often they are reused, it may be difficult to categorize them. I think the series adds little value and don't care if it's changed, but I do think that a hierarchy of titles (e.g. "The Hugo Winners", "Essays for 'The Hugo Winners'") should be considered. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:24, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Author DJ Tyrer ==<br />
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I have been working on a number of publications involving DJ Tyrer, as an editor or a contributor. In the actual publications, he is always credited as DJ Tyrer not [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?153003 D. J. Tyrer]. Despite this, the ISFDB only showed separate initials. A quick check of the canonical record's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/author_history.cgi?153003 edit history] shows three merges. I contacted DJ and he confirms his first name is David-John, one name. He only goes by DJ. Separate initials are wrong. I intend to merge the two author records and all the appropriate title records. David-John Tyrer and David John Tyrer (one title each) will remain alternate names unless I can verify an error. I will add a note to the new canonical record so there will be no question in the future. He was also kind enough to review his summary bibliography and only found 4 errors, which I will correct. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:59, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5659503; There are at least a few other thehorrorzine.com Tyrer poetry pages currently online spanning several years where they printed several poems on each page, including "Afraid of the Dark" which has a 2021 date here but it's on a 2018 Horror Zine page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:15, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Sounds good to me. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:26, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Gruft ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?495335; While doing edits for F. Paul Wilson books I saw this; that looks like a Les Edwards cover, doesn't it? If so, someone who can ID it can also variant it to the original. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:00, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Lincoln Hunters Date ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?9373; I just added a link to the Rinehart 1st ed. and I think the dates are wrong because they're from the club ed. which usually comes later; anyone know original date? 3 PV of club ed., 2 long-gone and 1 with a very odd name has zip on their discussion page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:16, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Butterfly Revolution Questions ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?20540; Some more editions of Butler's books recently uploaded on Archive.org, I've been making some edits, I noticed someone (Don Erikson?) wrote a note about where they got cover artist from for the original American PB but didn't actually enter the artist. So if anyone has the book he got it from they may want to enter it. Also, the most recent American PB on ISFDB is a 20th printing but there's a 1984 19th printing uploaded with the same cover, so if anyone knows which edition was the first to use that cover they can fix the art date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:16, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bloch's Second Coming ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1222802; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?97532; Might be the same thing. This, https://socialistjazz.blogspot.com/2017/04/ffb-eighth-stage-of-fandom-by-robert.html, describes it as articles about Jesus; this, https://cthulhuwho1.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/2256_inventory_4.pdf, says it was in an obscure periodical, Osgledaren, foreign I'm guessing. So some obscure things here, Taboo, Eighth Stage of Fandom, and that periodical are not anywhere I can see, so help if you can. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:03, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Joan D. Vinge's Heaven Chronicles and Vernor Vinge's Zones of Thought - same series? ==<br />
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Per [https://www.tor.com/2023/05/10/five-authors-who-wrote-sequels-to-someone-elses-work/ a James Davis Nicoll piece published today on tor.com], ''"Finally, there is the curious matter of Joan D. Vinge’s 1978 [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1423 Outcasts of Heaven Belt], which shares a setting with Vernor Vinge’s [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?11587 Zones of Thought] stories... Vinge explained the genesis of her novel and the connection to the Zones in a 2008 letter to her readers. Until I read that letter, I had no idea there was a connection"'' and there's a link to [https://web.archive.org/web/20160303224912/http:/www.sff.net/people/jdvinge/letter_20081103.htm an archive.org copy of that letter] (which I've only skimmed over).<br />
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There are a fair number of PVs of both the Joan and Vernor Vinge novels, any thoughts on whether those series could/should be merged, one made a subseries of the other, just have linking series notes, etc? I don't have any personal opinion or insight on this, as the only one of them I've read was A Fire Upon the Deep, which I have to confess I DNFed a third of the way through... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 10:53, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The linked article says:<br />
:* ...the "Heaven Belt" stories are linked to the "Zones of Thought" series created and written by my former husband (and still friend), Vernor Vinge.<br />
: I would turn the two series into sub-series of a super-series. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:12, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks - I've created [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?69884 an unimaginatively named superseries] with some brief extracts from that letter, and a link to it. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:13, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== We Are All Legends ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5661090; My note is in addition to notes that other editors wrote for the other 2 editions on ISFDB. I assume ISFDB rules state that this should be a collection as opposed to a novel even though it's called a novel on the copyright page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:40, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Trek: The Lost Years ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5661789; James Van Hise is on title page regardless of what cover and Archive.org note writer says, so what's the procedure? Shouldn't it say James Van Hise (in error) and variant to Edward Gross? Assuming, of course, that Van Hise didn't actually write it. EDIT: Cover artist has an extensive record without their middle initial; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?133578. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:40, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== RWH ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?175902; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?58684; Someone added link to one of Hedge's poems years ago so I just added link to the other poem even though 1990s Nightscapes issues are somehow still online and not hard to find; however, I think this is a pseudonym for Ron Goulart because that essay (not short fiction as ISFDB calls it) from F&SF is clearly a fake bio. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5662212; I found another poem by "Hedge" hiding in that HPL issue. This page, http://www.epberglund.com/RGttCM/nightscapes/NS04/hplindex.htm, lists all the letters and other stuff that The FictionMags Index didn't list in case anyone thinks those need entering. The date is fishy, too, because it was published in October judging by the production dates but it's called "April-October". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:36, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Sargent Review ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?395035; Title is wrong, it's Lost Cities, note makes no sense with the dates vs. book date, non-genre series book with many other Lost Cities volumes, only here because of review, delete? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:04, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Book deleted. Review turned into an essay. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:06, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I just fixed a short story in Sargent's record, turning it into an essay; I think it was this one so mistake was made when entering, I guess. I also added a few more story and poem links and think that I've done pretty much all there is to be done with him for now, at least until someone uploads one of his hard-to-find books, which will probably open a can of worms because I see at least one problem with 2 of his stories probably being the same but one having a subtitle in his collection. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:40, 16 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Hitler Art ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5649674; Someone familiar with the foreign editions, tell us which cover Hoffmann really did. SFE, as so often before, has wrong info, but it was obviously wrong anyway because it's a tinted photo of Adolf H. who didn't come to power until long after Hoffmann died. I tried to explain that in my note but it didn't help. So when someone identifies which cover is his this can be un-rejected. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:53, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I see JLaTondre just updated the book with notes and mentioned the Hoffmann credit that's on the flap; however, this can't possibly be the Hoffmann on ISFDB because he died decades before Hitler came to power and so clearly isn't the artist here, especially since it's just a photo, anyway. So either book has wrong info or there's someone else with the same name who's responsible. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:07, 14 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::(edit conflict) SFE was correct. It is credited on the back flap of the book. The photograph is by Heinrich Hoffmann (1885–1957), Adolf Hitler's official photographer. I have disambiguated this Hoffmann from the other one. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:11, 14 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Investigations of Avram Davidson ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5663113; Fixed this up but there's another record, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?35403, which has an award nomination, so I think the award should probably be moved to the record I just edited and the other record deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:01, 12 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Fixed. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:02, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== John Stewart ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?27454; I just had author image approved and noticed that short story is likely not by the artist because he died several years earlier. There's also an alternate name for the story which was also an alternate name for a few interior pieces by the artist. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:32, 12 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: The publisher's website and the title verso of the publication containing the story agree the authors name is Jeff Stewart, not John Stewart. I'm hoping it's this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?131106 Jeff Stewart]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:52, 12 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== C. Armitage Harper ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5663571; Death date very different, mother's name slightly different, verification needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:14, 12 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== External ID template additional wording needed ==<br />
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In the Template:PublicationFields:ExternalIDs [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:ExternalIDs here], for the Audible-ASIN entry, could something like "If the Audible ASIN is an ISBN-10, convert the ISBN-10 value to ISBN-13 and place the ISBN-13 value in the ISBN field." be added after the sentence that reads "Also note that, unlike regular Amazon ASINs, we record Audible ASINs even when they match the ISBN-10."? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:30, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I think I must have put this in the wrong discussion group so I just copied this to Rules & Standards. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 06:54, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Harry O ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?273603; I randomly came across a non-fiction book by R. Matheson, Mediums Rare, that was never entered here but after doing so it said Harry O. Morris was a disambiguated name because of that 1 wrongly-entered cover credit; do I have permission to merge with this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1282130, since PV with wacky name never responds to any messages sent to them on their page? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:42, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I merged them. That was an obvious error (entering the cover illustrator & interior designer and labeling them with their roles). --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:47, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Crispino Cover ==<br />
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https://fantlab.ru/art9850; Says he's Italian but credits on ISFDB are for German books, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?244341; cover on FantLab is the same as this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?603133. Also, the note on FantLab about the artist (RIGHT-CLICK AND CLICK TRANSLATE TO ENGLISH), if I understand it correctly, says he's wrongly credited as D. Crispino in that book. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:33, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Martin H. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=martin+hof&type=Name; I think the 2 German artists are the same person. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:04, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:There is an English artist, a German artist, and a German essayist. If you question the credit on any of these, they all have active verifiers whom you can ask to double check. Otherwise, you would need a source that shows any of these are the same person in order to create an alternate name. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:56, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== John Craig ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?19264; None of those are by the guy who died before any of them were written/drawn, and likely none have anything to do with each other, although it's slightly possible the guy who wrote the stories wrote the essays, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:08, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Tipped-In ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?815229; Book is 1920, preface is 1930, this page, http://wormwoodiana.blogspot.com/2016/01/the-revels-of-orsera-query.html, says it was tipped into leftover copies of the 1920 edition, link someone provided here to Harvard copy doesn't seem to have the preface, this copy does, https://archive.org/details/b29826123, what do you suggest? Add Archive.org link and mention preface in notes? Clone edition? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:06, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I would make a second pub, 1930, for the one on Archive.org, with that dated pre-TOC preface in the contents as the differentiator (note it also has a "By the same author" list not seen in the other copy, and the "v" number on the first TOC page no longer aligns with the physical page count). The linked Harvard copy has the library's date stamp "Dec 6 1920", which pretty much guarantees it is an edition published before that date and can't possibly have a 1930 preface. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:51, 14 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== DW and the Genesis of the Daleks ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=dicks+daleks+pinnacle; According to edit history I added Archive.org link to Day last year although I have absolutely no recollection of doing so. However, the recently-uploaded Genesis is problematic; it says second printing, May 1982 with a $1.95 price but the only ISFDB edition with that price says 1-1981 and the 1982 edition is $2.50. So someone who knows the complex history of these Who books can add the link if they can decide which edition it belongs to. I assume it should be the 1981 because that has the right ISBN in which case the date would need changing, but then the 1982 would need a new date because it's a third printing. There's no note in 1983 that it's a fourth printing, either (and no price), although there is for the fifth and sixth printings. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:08, 14 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== French Dark Channel ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=garton+alliance; I've been doing a lot of Ray Garton edits and came across this in case anyone wants to enter a French edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:14, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ronald Fraser Art ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5666000; Unusual last name of artist, he's on ISFDB, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?373087, Desert title page photo online says E. while signature can't be found on Flower Phantoms cover but few online mentions use Eric; I also added a link to Fraser's Landscape With Figures and the artist there is also on ISFDB twice, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=lucchesi&type=Name, with 1 cover clearly signed E. and the other Edmund. So I mention these things in case after approval someone decides which names are parents and wants to variant the other ones. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:59, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Saga Press Dates ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?576157; I just did an edit adding Archive.org link to this; I don't often deal with such recent books so I'm not familiar with Saga but is it normal for their print books to have one date, in this case 0816, on the flap and another date, in this case November 2016, on the copyright page? One of the bios at the back says a book from one of the authors "will appear in August 2016". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:45, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== E. Gornall ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=gornall&type=Name; While adding some M. John Harrison edits I was going to add a link to Ice Monkey but it was already there via RTrace last year, but I noticed artist Eddie Gornall is also on ISFDB as Eddi; PV of that book, Jlassen (Jeremy Lassen?) is gone and never responded to any messages, copy on eBay shows everything except back flap where I assume cover credit is, and Archive.org copy of Ice Monkey is coverless. I can't get a handle online about what his real name was so if anyone knows they can variant one to the other, assuming they're really spelled differently. Being older fantasy books I assume some people on here have their own copies they can check. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:15, 16 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zombie Apocalypse ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?36612; I made a bunch of edits to a few of the anthologies; I'll just mention that they don't really say "Mammoth Book of" on US title pages, just on the cover, so there's really no variant titles. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:29, 16 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jagendorf ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5666413; "Demon and the Rabbi" was the only title I couldn't fix, appearing in one of Helen Hoke's anthologies (one of several by him in her books) as M. A., in his collection as Moritz A., and ISFDB saying it first appeared in 1968 somewhere under some unknown name; anthology says it comes from his collection Ghostly Folktales (not on ISFDB) but gives no date. So take a look at that after approval if you wish. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:36, 16 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Hoke Horrors ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5654666; I've made another edit simply adding the Archive.org link, but someone more versed than I in technical stuff can help explain what should be done with this. SBN is for Brits, ISBN is for Americans, why SBN gets no hits I have no idea but that's clearly the number on the copyright page. Why did Helen Hoke have to edit so MANY books and why did the American publishers change so much but not change other stuff and confuse everybody? A good assignment for someone with a lot of patience would be to go through her entire ISFDB list and double-check everything; they re-used British covers for American editions sometimes but other times they were completely different, both editions of each anthology would need to be seen side-by-side to verify if the Bill Prosser illustrations are the same between editions, British spelling of certain words in story titles that may or may not have been used for American titles, multiple printings of certain books of which very few have been entered here, etc. Someone keeps uploading ex-library copies on Archive.org but the titles of some of her books are so similar it's hard to keep track of them or remember if I added links or not. On a side note I discovered that at least a few of her books were part of a pub. series called Terrific Triples but that's only mentioned on their copyright pages; I have a couple of pending edits adding the series but hell if I can remember which ones they were; many more out there, it seems, some for her many non-genre books not on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:46, 17 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Brief server downtime at noon ==<br />
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The server will be down for maintenance between 12pm (noon) and 12:05pm server time (Eastern Daylight Time). [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:10, 17 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The server is back up. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:01, 17 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::If that was related to the many messages by Alvonruff lately, what is the hoped-for outcome of his behind-the-scenes work? Will it improve anything on our, the editors, end? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:12, 17 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: The downtime was unrelated to the project that Al is currently working on. It was simply to free up some disk space.<br />
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::: Al's work will update what's happening behind the scenes and -- eventually -- improve our multilingual support. For example, it will let our searches recognize that the Cyrillic letters "А" and "а" are the same for search purposes.<br />
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::: More generally, we need to update the underlying software that we are using. At this point it's so old that it's no longer supported by the vendor. It can cause a variety of security and compatibility issues. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:41, 17 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Quanta ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?54005; Chris J entered all issues on ISFDB but there are several missing; this page, https://web.archive.org/web/19990224223357/http://www.etext.org/Zines/Quanta/issues.html, seems to have all of them, in case Chris is still around and wants to finish them or someone else is interested. I noticed this because the serial by Vassilakos is missing several parts on ISFDB (it also says 17 parts but archived page ends at 16 so that's odd). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:16, 17 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:He's still around because he just made a ton of edits adding/fixing stuff. Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:25, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::All done.--[[User:Chris J|Chris J]] ([[User talk:Chris J|talk]]) 17:08, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pertwee's Whodunnit? ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/whodunnit0000radn; I came across this randomly, seems to be a murder mystery anthology but some of those titles (especially "A Curse on the Pharaoh's Rod", hee hee) sound like they could be genre. Anyway, a Who is on the cover so that may push it over the line. Older Brits here may have read this in their youth and remember details. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:24, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Merge Titles -- more error checking added ==<br />
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"Merge Titles" has been enhanced to perform additional checks before creating submissions. You can no longer create Merge Title submissions which would result in "circular" variants, i.e. variants whose parent record ID is itself. If you come across any issues, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:37, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Non-Genre Stories ==<br />
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After recently printing contents not available elsewhere (which is most of them) from the 1935 British anthology My Grimmest Nightmare at a local library I've finally started reading them and discovered that several are non-genre so I've been marking those and giving brief synopses. This is a common issue here with collections/anthologies both old and new; I think it would be helpful if editors who come across non-genre stories mark them and write a synopsis so people will know which are genre and which aren't. I also want to mention that this anthology is nuts. I read the rare A. Blackwood story long before the others and it was pretty creepy, as expected, but besides the several ghost stories there are a philosophical discussion of the afterlife with what seems to be an atheistic ending (probably raised a few eyebrows back then), a slice-of-life about a sad old guy in a top hat who gets hit by a bus, an account of 2 hikers lost in the mountains that seems like it strayed in from National Geographic, a shopkeeper who apparently gets punished because he didn't donate enough money to charity, and my favorite, a jungle tale of an explorer who encounters spiders, were-hyenas, and a giant half-spider/half-were-hyena which ends with what I think was meant to be a nasty joke about his bride-to-be's looks (no #MeToo in 1935). Least favorite so far? Probably the one about the guy who likes SOS messages on the radio and decides to visit some old guy looking for his long-lost son; the old guy's Irish maid is drawn so broadly I'm surprised she wasn't chewing on a potato when she answered the door. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:49, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Reginald-3 ==<br />
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I got a sudden urge to know what is entailed when someone makes a Reginald-3 verification, I think it's called. I know RTrace does a ton of them and I see a few others doing it occasionally, but where do you go to check that and what exactly is it? Maybe I'll try some. Are secondary verifications considered something important here or do people just do them because they want to? Does anyone find them useful? Are there any rare ones people have been looking for? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:08, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:When you're viewing a publication page, click on "Reginald-3" in the Secondary Verifications section and it will take you to [[Reference:Reginald3|this page]]. It's a big case-bound book that has tons of author, titles, awards, and such in it. It's a very useful thing to have , but only for works published between 1975-1991. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 00:09, 19 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?4975; Did it for Seth Pfefferle's 2 books since I entered 1 of them early last year. Is this something people have been doing since 2006 when public editing started here or is it recent? Because it seems weird that those books had never been verified before someone like me did them. Are there, like, tens of thousands of books still not verified or have most of them been done already? What's the criteria for not verifying something in that book? Is it known to have lots of mistakes? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:32, 19 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::It's generally considered reliable, but unless you have access to the book (Reginald-3) itself, you shouldn't be verifying anything with it. It's got around 1500 pages (if I'm remembering correctly), and it's always possible it's missed some books that were published in that period. However, for the books it does have, it's considered very accurate. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:26, 19 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::It's easy to verify with it because I'm using the Archive.org copy that I added a link to 6 months ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:46, 19 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Awesome! Have fun adding the verifications. I don't think those even require a moderator to approve them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:52, 19 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::Honestly, as soon as I added those 2 verifications I lost all interest. Half the "fun" of editing here, for me, is waiting for a mod to look at my edits and then decide whether to approve them (50,000 and counting, in the top half-dozen all-time for a non-mod/non-self-approver and the only one who still edits regularly except for "Fixer" which is a robot and doesn't really count), especially when they claim something was wrong when it actually wasn't and then think they can argue with me. If I'm lucky sometimes they even apologize when they find out they made a mistake. Doing Reginald seems entirely pointless if there's no approval needed. I only mention my adding the link so that others here who actually want to verify those ID know that the book is readily available. It seems to me that one of the computer geniuses who are on this site should have figured out a way by now to trawl the book and automatically add ID to all books that don't have them yet, but maybe it's not easy/possible to do. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:23, 19 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Adventures Of The Adventurers' Club ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5669128; https://searchworks.stanford.edu/view/9339400; I think the edition on ISFDB should really be paperback because of the cover and price; Stanford copy linked above is clearly hardcover and notice that it doesn't mention drawing on title page like Archive.org copy does. So what do you think? Change to PB and maybe clone a HC edition with Stanford link? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:44, 19 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Phenix ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5669692; Story seems never to have been reprinted in English but it was in a French gaming magazine for some reason, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?39139, https://www.amazon.com/Phenix-n45-magic-jeux-role/dp/2871535426, in case anyone wants to enter it. I'm guessing there's more translated stories in the other missing issues. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:19, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== French Potter ==<br />
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https://www.google.com/search?q=potter+scalehunter+ebay; I just added an Archive.org link to Scalehunter in a pending edit and I don't see that art so I don't know if it's in a limited edition or what but I noticed it's also here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?727762; French cover art should be a variant, I think. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:46, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== L. Ron Hubbard's Colon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?8224; I've been adding links to copies of this series including several that are only Open Library non-preview and I noticed that editors over the years entered the title randomly with it being almost evenly divided between commas after Future or not. So a standard should really be decided on and titles fixed so they all match, although I think going by ISFDB rules they should all have a colon after Future, right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:28, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Boom! Comics - Firefly/ Serenity ==<br />
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Is there anywhere a list of the stories Boom! Comics have produced for the Firefly/ Serenity series?<br />
The usual artist is Greg Pak. <br />
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The company's website is a mess and they don't seem to announce anything. {{Unsigned2|14:35, May 20, 2023|Femmefan1946}}<br />
:They're likely all listed over on [https://firefly.fandom.com/wiki/Firefly_(comic_series) the Firefly Database]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:27, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Canonical name Amir Zand ==<br />
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There is an canonical author [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?284398 Amir Zand (San)] but only one title is credited to him. 10 titles are credited to his alternate name Amir Zand. Wouldn't it be useful to change the canonical name? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 16:11, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Go ahead and make the switch. Please add his [https://amirzand.art/ website] to the new canonical name. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:24, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Done. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 08:16, 25 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 08:55, 25 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Next time, please do not use "'Make This Title a Variant' (breaking the relationship) and 'Delete This Tile (previous canonical) for titles only published under the previous alternate name. Use advanced search and then merge the two titles, paying attention to the radio buttons. Not only is this one edit instead of two, but will save the information from the previous canonical title record. Delete should always be your last option! [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:08, 25 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Fantasist Anthology ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5670646; This book, even though it has a PV, had a lot of stuff missing/entered wrong, so after approval please take another look to make sure I caught everything or didn't make a few mistakes myself. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:21, 21 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Since Don is no longer present, I will accept the edit and make some other updates based on the Internet Archive scan. But first, I'm going to point out the existing bad page number to Ahasuerus as it seems like the clean-up report should have caught that, but it is not listed. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:28, 21 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Rebecca M. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisheryear.cgi?40797+2012; I added image to Sparks; cover artist is obviously the same person for both books but spelled differently, Amazon previews don't reveal anything helpful, so if anyone knows a way to see how she's credited that can be fixed. Also, while looking for the publisher I saw there's another Earthbound, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?354536, which may or may not be the same, but there's a problem in that the book is called 3rd in a series but the first 2 on ISFDB were published years later by a different author. So that might be a mistake. EDIT: 1 of Mr. Lobe's books available and entered here by me, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5670781. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:57, 21 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Darker Places ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?66822; I'm sure there aren't many Matheson collections that don't have numbered contents here so I thought I'd found something special when I saw FantLab's page, https://fantlab.ru/edition117836, until I saw the note (RIGHT-CLICK to translate) which is kind of unclear. So if anyone has a copy maybe they can say what the numbers should be and enter them (unless someone understands what the FantLab writer was trying to say). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:18, 21 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Earthsea numbering ==<br />
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Gollancz are putting out a new hc of the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?39404 Tales from Earthsea] collection this week, and I noticed that a few places such as [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Tales-Earthsea-Fifth-Book/dp/1399602411 Amazon UK] and [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Tales-Earthsea-Fifth-Book/dp/1399602411 Gollancz] are listing it as "The Fifth Book of Earthsea". However, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?4220 the series page here] has this collection unnumbered, with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?21392 The Other Wind] as #5. In turn, Amazon UK and Waterstones have The Other Wind listed as book 6 of the series.<br />
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Now, I appreciate that the often crappy data that appears on retailer sites doesn't necessarily count for much when determining what gets recorded in ISFDB. However, I do see that the Gateway ebooks of these titles - not currently recorded here, although I'll try to rectify that shortly - do have "The Fifth/Sixth Book of Earthsea" as subtitles on their title pages, which perhaps lends more weight to that numbering scheme? <br />
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I've double checked my Orion UK tps of these, and neither has any such subtitle. I also have the UK ebook of the collected Vess illustrated edition, and whilst I haven't spotted anything that explicitly says either book is numbered 5 or 6, there's an afterword that states (my emphases): "Here at last, for the first time, is Earthsea, in English, '''all together in the right order'''. .... The six books of Earthsea ... and in England one publisher calls it a quartet, and '''another reversed the order of the fifth and sixth books as if it didn't matter.'''" This also makes me think that 5=Tales/6=Other Wind might be the more correct/author-approved numbering.<br />
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(FWIW, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthsea the Wikipedia page] doesn't number them; it does state "the fifth and last novel of the series, The Other Wind", but obviously that's qualified by "novel" rather than "book".) [[Template:TitleFields:SeriesNum]] doesn't indicate anything about collections being treated differently to novels when it comes to series numbering.<br />
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Despite owning duplicate copies of these, I've never actually read any of them, so I don't have a dog in this fight, but wondering if there might be consensus for a change? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 07:58, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I've read the first four novels so far only, so I can't comment on the contents of ''Tales from Earthsea'' and ''The Other Wind''. But I own the {{P|678370|German edition of the collected Vess illustrated edition}}, which contains an introduction by Le Guin, written by her in 2016 and which should be {{T|2437124|this one}} in the English edition. In this introduction, she's mentions the "six Earthsea volumes" and explains, how ''Tales from Earthsea'' and ''The Other Wind'' came into life. She stresses that ''Tales from Earthsea'', "the fifth book" (!) has been treated as marginal, but, according to her, is essential for the series. As a result I'd say you are correct: 5=Tales/6=Other Wind. That's also the order the works are printed in the illustrated edition. Jens [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] ([[User talk:Hitspacebar|talk]]) 15:04, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks - if I don't hear any objections, I'll do the 5/6 renumbering in a couple of days. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 13:14, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== BM ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5671406; https://www.amazon.com/Beastmaster-Myth-Richard-Knaak/dp/1439144176; I can just make out "51600" in archived copy's back cover barcode through the sticker but that Amazon page linked above has a much higher price but the same ISBN and look inside has the same number line, so if anyone knows if there were later printings or something let us know. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:31, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ayan(n)a Mathis ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=na+mathis&type=Name; I added a link to the Times supernatural issue and it is Ayana, but I can't get a clear idea of how Ayanna is credited or which is her real name because she's called both all over the web, plus a Christian website I came across congratulated her on getting married and changing her name from Ayanna Thomas. So does anyone know more about her? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:28, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I have absolutely zero knowledge of this author or their works, but the impression I get from Google results (and the photos next to the various results) is that there are 2 different people, with the single-n one being an author who's the most likely candidate to be the one of interest here, based on [https://www.ayanamathis.com/ author website] and [https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/155206/ayana-mathis/ publisher site]. The double-n one seems to be some sort of influencer/self help guru?<br />
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: The two titles associated with the double-n author name are from the same fairly recent PVed pub by Gzuckier, so I'll post on his page to look at this item. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:05, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I'm looking at the Times archive online, and it looks like I misentered the recent review, and it should be Ayana. I'll change it. Thanks for the alert. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 23:18, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ace Books / Ace Fantasy Books ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?18305; All 3 Ace editions are on Archive.org so I added links but while they all say "Ace Fantasy Books" on title page only 1 edition says that here. There's over a hundred here as by that name so I just thought it was odd; I wonder how many other books here as by "Ace Books" are actually by the longer name and whether it would matter to anyone to fix those; did they officially change their name to the shorter version at some point after 1986? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:43, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pyramids ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?697334; I was fixing a few Zebra Books from 1986 and on that should have had Kensington as part of the publisher; I got most of them except a few romance junk novels that were reprinted like a thousand times so I didn't even bother with those because I'm not even sure if they belong here. However, I was disturbed to discover afterwards that many of the old 70s-early 80s Zebra Books have Kensington as part of the publisher (?) I suspect I know who entered many of them so I will now start fixing those but the first one I looked at wasn't entered by that person but rather by Artisan, who I don't believe is around anymore. Not sure why it was accepted because the author is not above threshold in the slightest and this book is seventies paranormal "non-fiction" nonsense. So it should probably be deleted, but if not at least the regular date should be changed to March because editor mentioned that in their note but didn't actually make it so. EDIT: After further investigation I think, unlike Leisure Books and their later separate history with Dorchester, Zebra Books used Kensington even in their older books. So I think I've finished cleaning up (except for Death Screen, can't find info on that one) but this book still doesn't belong here, I believe. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:45, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Italian Valancourt Edition ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=blackburn+beastly-business&sort=-addeddate; Italian price on back cover and notice on last page about being printed in Italy in 2022; does this require a separate record here or can I just add the link to the current edition? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:50, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Witch Book ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5672915; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5672916; If anyone owns a copy or knows where one can be seen online most of the page numbers need entering and author/title verification is needed for most of the stories; also, I replaced the cover because new cover has the price sticker or whatever it is on the top corner but it's not a great image so if anyone can replace it with a better one with that sticker after my edits are approved that would be great. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:13, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Macbeth ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?582305; Macbeth link leads to B. Coville version published many years after J. Blackburn review. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:53, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I've asked a verifier of a pub containing the review if they would check. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:08, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I've re-pointed the review to the correct title. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:59, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Alex Ebel ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?25577; Short story isn't by the artist who died years before it was published but this person, https://sites.google.com/view/alexsebel. The archived story link seems missing, however, so it's possible story header says "Alex S. Ebel" since that's the name in his site's URL. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:02, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Author separated from artist. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:56, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bruce Campbell Biography ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5662375 this submission] to add what looks like a biography of the actor Bruce Campbell. I see that we have an earlier {{T|103703|biography}} already in the database, but it appears that it was added by virtue of being nominated for Stoker and IHG awards. My sense is that the new book would not be in our scope, but I wanted to put the question out to the community first. Thoughts? --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:57, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Out of scope I think. A biography of an author is arguably eligible (as it will talk about some of the books after all). This one seems to be one additional step removed from that. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:01, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Back in 2020 we [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive18#Eligibility_of_NONFICTION_about_non-written_SF clarified the "Rules of Acquisition"] as follows:<br />
::* ''Included'': Published non-fiction works ''about'' speculative fiction which can be plausibly linked to ''published'' (as defined above) speculative fiction. This rule allows the inclusion of secondary bibliographies, i.e. bibliographies of bibliographies, which are two steps removed from published speculative fiction. It also allows the inclusion of non-fiction works about shared cross-media universes like "Doctor Who" and "Star Wars", but only as long as there is a plausible connection to the universe's ''published'' component. Thus a book about "Star Trek physics" can be included (because it applies to all types of media including novels) while a book about Star Trek movie outtakes and bloopers should be excluded.<br />
:: Since Bruce Campbell is an actor with no published speculative fiction credits, I think his biographies should be out unless they trigger some other condition. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:18, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Groovy. I will cancel my edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:33, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Graveyard Reader ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?45152; I just added a link in an edit to the anthology of the same title and judging by ID it was published April or May, but story is October which is when it next appeared. So I think it should either have month changed to 00 to match the anthology or anthology month should be changed to 04 or 05 if anyone can pinpoint date and then story month changed to that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:53, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Fugue XXIX ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?869505; Same editor entered both TP, I think, but one could probably be deleted because it has same ISBN as HC and was likely a mistake that didn't get erased, although it has cover artist and correct (?) page count unlike TP with unique ISBN. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:28, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Deleted. Locus1 lists the format as "hc", but with the "tp" ISBN. This was the source of the original record. I added notes to the other pubs to clarify the discrepancy. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:48, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Onyeama ==<br />
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https://vaultofevil.proboards.com/thread/8116/dillibe-onyeama; https://openlibrary.org/search/authors?q=dillibe+onyeama; 3 novels pictured on Vault seem genre, other titles on OL possible, no copies of any book by him on Archive.org except one with the N word which likely isn't genre, so an author that somehow was never added here, anyone own any copies? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:09, 25 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== S. B. Divya != Divya Srinivasan ==<br />
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I don't believe [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?205470 the author/editor S. B. Divya aka Divya Breed] is the same person as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?262086 the artist Divya Srinivasan]. Their photos - [https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/childrens/childrens-authors/article/87011-q-a-with-divya-srinivasan.html PW interview] for the artist - don't look like the same person to me, and their respective sites (sbdivya.com and pupae.com) don't make any reference to the works of the other person. I can't see the edit history to know who to chase regarding why they were made as alternate names, maybe a moderator can take a look? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:56, 25 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: You want to talk with [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Dirk_P_Broer Dirk]. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 20:14, 25 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: PS: No moderator notes on this edit or on any of his other edits on both authors around the same time. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 20:18, 25 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks, have left a note on his page pointing here. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 08:33, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I agree, they are not the same person. One was born in India (the science fiction author) and the other was born and raised in the United States (the artist, per the PW article). Based on that, I've separated them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:29, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: According to Wikipedia they ARE the same person: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S._B._Divya#:~:text=S.%20B.%20Divya%20is%20the%20pen,%2C%20through%20April%208%2C%202022. "S. B. Divya is the pen name of Divya Srinivasan Breed"].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] ([[User talk:Dirk P Broer|talk]]) 17:02, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: But Divya Srinivasan and Divya Srinivasan Breed can possibly be different people? Do we have a connection that establishes them as the same one? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:09, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5675343; I made an edit with 3rd printing of Runtime, saw somewhere that obliquely mentioned eff-words.com, current site defaults to sbdivya.com so I added archived site which started nearly 10 years ago, it may offer old/new info removed from current site because there's nothing in archived bio about "My gender doesn’t conform to social standards" so other things may have been added/dropped over the years. There's a picture of her at the back of Runtime, also, with a short bio. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:20, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::: I noticed the different places of birth and appended to the notes in both records.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] ([[User talk:Dirk P Broer|talk]]) 18:36, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Doctor Who 'nonfiction' vs Nonfiction on 'Doctor Who' ==<br />
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Anyone know there are two separate series? [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?16381 The former] has well over a hundred entries (including a few subseries), [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?54805 the latter] just three titles.<br />
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The quotes around 'nonfiction' implied - to me at least - that it might be "in-universe" non-fiction like technical manuals, but it seems to me that it has just been used for anything that isn't conventional narrative fiction.<br />
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Any objections to moving everything from the smaller series into the bigger one, and removing the quotes around 'nonfiction'? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 17:19, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Looking at the history of the titles in the series, the smaller one (Nonfiction on 'Doctor Who') had been created and used by a single editor (Stonecreek) mostly moving the books from pre-existing other series (some of them later deleted, some of them still existing). You may want to ping him and see what he may have been thinking but considering that the edits are from years ago and he never bothered to do more (or to write ANY notes explaining what he was doing and what is to be used for what), that looks like something that should not have happened, especially without discussing with the community first. I think it is safe to move the 3 books back where they belong and delete the extra-series but ping him anyway in case he actually had a plan and a good explanation. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:38, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks for digging. I see from the edit histories of those three titles that there's also been "Doctor Who Reference Books" and "Doctor Who Non Fiction" in the past, so I'll wait for further feedback before making yet more changes. (Will also see if I can wrangle anything out of wiki search w.r.t. any prior discussion.) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:49, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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==Some new Japanese awards==<br />
There are a few new Japanese awards I think out to be included here, so I'll group them under one heading to make it easier than a bunch of different sections. This will also allow us to learn the names of some of the Japanese fanzines out there, and therefore be able to find information on them and add them to the database here.<br />
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===Nippon SF Fandom Award===<br />
This award (日本SFファンドム賞) was given out from 1965-1969, then replaced by the Seiun Award. We have the latter in the database, but not the former. I'll be happy to enter the information for it. There aren't too many to list, as shown [https://www.sf-fan.gr.jp/etc/fandom_award.html here] (same website/group where they host the Seiun Awards). It was given by the same group that gives out the Seiun Award, and there is only one level (no categories), so it's an uncomplicated award to enter.<br />
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: Sounds pretty straightforward. If there are no objections, I will add these on Monday. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:24, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?105 Done]. Please feel free to edit the record and add a category. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:38, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Thanks! I'll work on them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:34, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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===SF Fanzine Awards===<br />
This award (SFファンジン大賞) was given out between 1982 and 2003 to speculative fiction fanzines in Japan. The winners were decided by a committee that changed annually. Japanese site [https://www.sf-fan.onn.jp/184/185/ here]. It had several categories:<br />
*Fanzine Grand Prize (ファンジン大賞)<br />
*Creative (創作部門)<br />
*Critique (評論部門)<br />
*Translation/Presentation (翻訳・紹介部門)<br />
*Art (アート部門)<br />
*Layout (レイアウト部門)<br />
*Editorial Work (エディトリアルワーク部門)<br />
*Research (研究部門)<br />
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: Looks like Layout was merged with Art in '84 and '85 before being dropped entirely? Dunno if that merits a separate category being created for those 2 years... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 08:51, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: A new award type [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?106 has been created]. Please feel free to create award categories. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:41, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Thanks! I'll work on them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:34, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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===Takumi Shibano Award===<br />
This award (柴野拓美賞) was given at the same time as the SF Fanzine Award, but was judged solely by [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?23499 Takumi Shibano]. It was a single award given out each year (though a few times people shared the award in a single year). [https://www.sf-fan.onn.jp/184/185/ Same site] as above. It's considered a separate award from the SF Fanzine Awards rather than a category under that award.<br />
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I'll be happy to add these. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:57, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?107 Done]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:46, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks! I'll work on them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:34, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Banner Art ==<br />
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The last banner art that I uploaded was in 2009. The first banner art was put together in 2007 on a glass CRT with VGA resolution (640x480 pixels), and the last one was done on my first LCD display with DVI resolution (1920x1200 pixels). The banners are 90x900 pixels, which was about 40% wider than the VGA screen, and about 50% of the DVI screen, which seemed like a pretty substantial size at the time. My current display is 5120x2880, so a banner is now about 3/4 inch tall, and pretty difficult to see any detail. So a few things:<br />
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1. I've been upscaling the banners using an AI tool. I'm running them on isfdb2.org at 180x1800, which seems to be a pretty good match for my current browser width. They are pretty good, but not perfect (especially some of the smaller lettering) but my 2009-era computer doesn't turn on any more, so the original photoshop files may be lost.<br />
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2. In 2020 Ahasuerus put a notice on the [[Banner Art Credits]] page to post new images here. I have been working with Generative AI at work, so I thought I would apply some of that to generating a new banner art candidate. It's artwork from a 1950s-era magazine that never existed on our timeline - let's call it "Interplanetary Stories". All the images were created by DALL-E, with prompts to push it towards an early 1950s artwork style. Obviously, it is copyright free. (The version of the banner displayed below is smaller than 90x900, in order to meet the 200kB size limit of the wiki. See the 180x1800 size version here: [https://www.isfdb2.org/IsfdbBanner13.jpg])<br />
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[[File:IsfdbBanner13.jpg]]<br />
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3. If anyone has requests for a banner honoring a specific magazine (from our timeline), post it here or on my talk page. Otherwise, I may pull over a few more alternate timeline magazines. [[User:Alvonruff|Alvonruff]] ([[User talk:Alvonruff|talk]]) 20:32, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The new banner looks pretty good except for the second woman from the right whose face looks off. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 07:44, 28 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: What about the "leaf woman"? Her forearms are totally merged together. I'm sure that's explained in the cover story. How about this new blaster woman?<br />
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[[File:NewBlasterWoman.png]]<br />
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[[User:Alvonruff|Alvonruff]] ([[User talk:Alvonruff|talk]]) 22:18, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: The face is much better! The way she holds the blaster looks a bit odd, but then I have never held a functional blaster, so what do I know? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:49, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Alan Brennert Questions ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?274235; https://archive.org/details/weirdromancetwoo0000menk; PV doesn't respond to much these days, so does anyone know why ISBN is different? Did Samuel French release different editions? Also, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?58584, where someone added a link but according to a note on the Archive.org page Brennert's story "The Second Soul" was removed at his request and seems it was never reprinted in print, so maybe someone knows some shadowy ancient archived SF site or something where they reprinted it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:46, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== German Pfister ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=pfister&type=Name; Last 2 authors are likely the same. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:07, 28 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Charnas Stories ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?273; A couple of questions about her stories. "Oak and Ash" was published in a 1992 issue of Pulphouse Magazine which nobody's going to have, I'm sure, but it was reprinted in a shady sex anthology in 2001, Sextopia. I can't get any info about that, so maybe someone will admit to having it. Also, "Land of Lost Content" is in 1998's Streets of Blood, one of a million Martin H. Greenberg anthologies, as original but online info suggests it's Chapter 2 of her 1980 novel The Vampire Tapestry. No copies of the anthology, either (there's a 15-photo copy on eBay but the seller seemed more interested in showing the covers from every angle instead of taking a clear photo of the acknowledgments page), so if anyone owns a copy maybe it mentions this so a note can be added here about it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:41, 29 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== A Wrinkle in Time Cover Art ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1079586; It's unlikely that the 1976 date is correct because the artist's next credit is 1990. I think there's some confusion with this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?581503, which has similar art. EDIT: This page, https://www.tor.com/2023/05/25/can-you-solve-the-classic-wrinkle-in-time-cover-mystery/, doesn't mention John Berkey who did other 1976 Dell covers, but this page, http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:nmFZMfSDiAMJ:https://70sscifiart.tumblr.com/post/179261051240/john-berkey&hl=en&gl=us&strip=1&vwsrc=0, says he did it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:56, 30 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Self-nomination for self-approver - Philfreund ==<br />
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I would like to nominate myself to be a self-approver. If that's granted, I'll be certain to continue to ask for help if I'm uncertain as to the best approach to take. Granting me this will likely shorten the submission queue significantly since I'm entering a lot of ClonePub submissions on a daily basis, mainly for audiobooks and audio/MP3 CDs. Thanks for your consideration. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 13:56, 30 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Support. Had not seen too many hiccups with Phil's submissions in the last months and he had shown a willingness to seek and listen to advice (and remember it for future submissions). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:53, 30 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Support, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:03, 30 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Support[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 00:11, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Support. No complaints! --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:27, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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=== Outcome ===<br />
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Self-approver flag has been set on the account. Congratulations! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:01, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks everyone! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 12:32, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== K. Sano ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=iko+sano&type=Name; Kazumiko only has 1 credit; may be the same as Kazuhiko. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:49, 30 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It's definitely an unusual name (Kazumiko). However, that credit was a decade prior to anything by Kazuhiko, and as [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/hiller_b_b SFE] and [https://gamebooks.org/Item/2764/Show others] also list the credit as "Kazumiko", I think we should stick with things as they currently are. It's possible it's a typo, but it could also be a rare name. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:05, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bad Poetry ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?11176; https://ibecomethebeast.com/autumn-2023/; The poem by John Grey, "Man/Beast", was published in an old 1998 issue of Jack Fisher's Flesh & Blood as "Man-Beast". The other Grey poems may qualify vaguely as genre so if anyone thinks it's worth entering this magazine for that I'm just mentioning it. Also, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?21876, where I believe the essay is correct but the poems should be with John Grey since John Gray is an alternate name for him. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 07:58, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Portuguese titles capitalisation / rationalisation ==<br />
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For anyone with an interest in Portuguese titling, please take a look at [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Portuguese_titles_capitalisation_.2F_rationalisation this discussion]. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:00, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Sexpunks BC ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29722; I and another editor have been doing a few edits for early 90s Spine-Tingling Press cassettes (at least 2, by Kristine Kathryn Rusch and Matthew Costello, are MIA) and there are some annoying details but this one I think someone can answer. A note, likely written by me some time ago since it's in my particular style, mentions that Mark Molnar did the back cover for a book that almost certainly never would have been published if the author didn't run the company, Sexpunks & Savage Sagas. Is it possible the artist is this man, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?263913? From the back of a book of "erotic" stories by an obscure publisher to doing a cover for an edition of Dune, one of the most famous SF books of all time, from an expensive specialty publisher? Can it be true? Also see this thread, https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Username#Monsters:_Three_Tales, in case anyone has anything helpful to say about those issues. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:52, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ace Earth Abides ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5679463; Any of the many active PV think this should be by Ace Star since it does say that on cover and copyright page? ISFDB has 31 "Ace Star" books and 4 "Ace Star / Ace Books" books. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:02, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Barrington J. Bayley ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5679804; I added a new link; story text is different than old link on Weird Fiction Review. Were Bayley's stories revised for his collection? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:43, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== German Ghost Book ==<br />
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[https://archive.org/search?query=cynthia+asquith&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22&and%5B%5D=language%3A%22German%22]; Link to the German edition of 1950s anthology The Second Ghost Book from 1971, I think, in case anyone wants to enter it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:20, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Grand Canyon Artists ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1347049; I have 2 edits, adding cover image (from SFE) to Brit edition and price to American edition (also fixed author's name because it's the same in both editions and there really was never a variant); however, there are signatures on both covers. Brit, lower right, looks like 2 initials followed by Lupton, while American, lower right, has KW. Artists for other books by the publishers on ISFDB don't match up to either so if anyone can find out more reply here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:38, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Costello's Vacation ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1309571; MLB PV a transient copy of HC which has author's name wrong, Google Books copy says there's no J., TP uploaded in 2021 is raggedy and has no title or copyright page but also has no J. on cover, supposedly CD edition has no J., so as usual there's not really a variant name and they're all by Matthew Costello, no J., in case anyone can see TP title page which would clinch it and then HC and TP can be changed to no J. and variant deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:08, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== German Horseman ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?42064; https://archive.org/search?query=horseman+hubble%27s&sort=-addeddate; I entered Archive.org link, fixed page count, and added cover artist in a pending edit to the American edition of Hubbles' Treasure Hunt and while doing so saw that book linked above which is a 1971 (?) translation of Hubble's Bubble, in case anyone wants to enter that. The publisher, Union Verlag Stuttgart, seems to have no books on ISFDB, but I'm guessing there are probably some that should be; 31 hits on Archive.org including another kid's book, Golden-Eye, that looks promising and a title with Hexen in it which I think means "witch" so that's a possibility, too. Ignore the Hans Holzer psychic photography "non-fiction" book which is in English but likely was published in German first by that publisher. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:50, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== ISFDB recording Gateway as imprint ==<br />
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I suspect Gateway as imprint (or even publisher?) is coming to us from Amazon into Fixer, but Gateway is only a marketing website set up by Gollancz. This is noted on [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Gollancz_Ltd this page] under the sub-heading "SF Gateway website", and with more detail here [https://www.gollancz.co.uk/category/sf-gateway/ Gollancz] and here [https://www.sfgateway.com/ sfgateway]. If it's agreed, could we have a Fixer tweak so that pubs/ebooks coming onto the DB start out as imprint/publisher Gollancz / Orion? See [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?9 this example] of the disparity. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:04, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Ever since Amazon killed off API access to Amazon UK data - circa 2019? - I imagine I've added more Gateway pubs than Fixer has, so changing the Fixer config might not help that much. My recollection of things is:<br />
: * "Proper" Gollancz releases are listed on Amazon, Blackwell's, etc, as being published by Gollancz. (Waterstones are annoying, as they just bundle everything as the parent Orion group - grr)<br />
: * SF Masterworks are listed as being published by Gateway, but actually have Gollancz on the title and copyright pages. e.g. see Roadmarks [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?930344 tp] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?943450 ebook]. I know when I first started actively submitting pubs, I did a few of these as "Gateway", but when I saw that PVers were subsequently changing them to Gollancz, I've got a mental note to change the submission accordingly.<br />
: * I *think* there might be an exception to the former if there was previously a Gateway ebook that has been "promoted" to be a Masterwork, but retains the same ISBN. I think those might just get a new cover image slapped onto the ebook, but the title page still has Gateway branding. I think I might have a Silverberg that falls into this category, will try to dig it out in a bit. '''EDIT''': Some inconsistent findings: My purchased-in-2021 ebook of Silverberg's The Book of Skulls has an SF Masterworks cover, but the title page has Gateway. Other than the cover, I suspect this ebook is identical to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?447130 the 2011 "yellow cover" Gateway pub] recorded here. OTOH, my ebook of Clarke's Imperial Earth still has Gateway branding on the cover, even if I download a fresh copy on a different device. The metadata in the title does claim it's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?943090 an SF Masterworks edition], but there's nothing to support that. Both of these ebooks have Gollancz on the copyright page FWIW.<br />
: * "Proper" Gateway releases have "Gateway" on the title page, even though they may well have Gollancz on the copyright page. An example of this is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?827485 my PVed Warm Worlds and Otherwise ebook]; although it's not explicitly stated in the note, I have just opened the ebook, and the title page has the "Gateway" logo with www.sfgateway.com below. My understanding of the rules is that the title page trumps the copyright page, so these should be recorded as "Gateway / Orion" (or some variant thereof) rather than "Gollancz / Orion" (or some variant thereof).<br />
: The impression I get is that there's no meaningful separation of Gollancz and Gateway in terms of staff, office, etc, but there are a few peripheral things I've noticed that make me inclined towards keeping the entities separate here:<br />
: * The Gollancz site no longer lists SF Masterworks, or at least the majority of them e.g. [https://www.gollancz.co.uk/contributor/roger-zelazny/ the Zelazny page] doesn't have the aforementioned Roadmarks - or any of his other Masterworks pubs - but they are on [https://www.sfgateway.com/contributor/roger-zelazny/ the Gateway site]. This wasn't the case a few years ago; there seemed to be an active decision to separate Masterworks from the Gollancz site. (Even though they have Gollancz on the books themselves..) <br />
: * Similarly, Masterworks pubs used to be listed in the Orion trade catalogues, but nowadays they just get (at best) a brief mention of the line in the Gollancz section, with no details about what pubs might be coming out that period.<br />
: [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 06:33, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Picazo Format ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5672945; All the 25+ Marte XXI series books are TP so I changed the final one to the same, mod says a site he checked disagrees, I doubt they changed format for one book so Linguist, who seems to be in edit history for most of these books, or someone can possibly say what it really is and hopefully my edit can be un-rejected, although the fact that page count is much higher for the last book and cover artist is different than all others points to a slight possibility that maybe they got fancy when they knew the series was coming to an end and jacked up the size. I also note that only a few have prices and 2 are missing cover artists in case anyone can fill in that missing info. I was pretty surprised to see that none are PV, unusual for old SF series on this site. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:08, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Did you look at the cited sources? All three agree the size is 18cm x 11cm. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:07, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::As you say, but since none are PV I wonder if they really changed format for the last in the series or whether some or all of the earlier ones should be TP, too. In this case I wonder if those sources confused this particular edition with its earlier '62 Fleuve Noir PB; there's a note in the previous book's record about confusion between Picazo and Fleuve Noir. Also, another Picazo series here has 4 Asimov books with 1 having an unknown format, so maybe someone knows that, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:37, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Todd Ritter = Alan Finn = Riley Sager ==<br />
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Currently author [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?191380 Todd Ritter] has the alternate name [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?209069 Alan Finn], with one shortfiction for the former and a novel for the latter.<br />
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[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riley_Sager Wikipedia] informs me that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?313188 Riley Sager] is another pseudonym. That author currently has 2 novels in the database - both of which have title notes explaining that their eligibility here isn't 100% certain - and the aforelinked Wikipedia page indicates the Sager alias is the most profilic and current one.<br />
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Any preferences to which one should be the primary? I'm slightly inclined towards Sager, but happy to go with any consensus. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 17:41, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: How many of the Sager novels are genre? It won't matter that he uses that for most of his thrillers if they are not genre. I am leaning towards Ritter quite honestly (when the numbers are about the same, I'd go with the legal name or the currently used name) - unless we have enough Sager novels to balance it that way a lot more. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:47, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: No idea - he wasn't on my radar at all, until I skimmed through the forthcoming list and saw there was one out today. I've glanced through the blurbs on his site, and of the 7 novels, if we take away the two already in the database, only one looks like it might possibly be relevant here, and TBH it feels like it's more gothic than supernatural. I looked at a couple of them on GR, and saw no mention of speculative elements, so I think it's just the two we already have.<br />
:: I don't mind keeping Ritter as the primary, as I guess that'll be slightly less work (no need to redo the Finn author alternate)? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:12, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: The gothic ones always get me - it is very hard to sort out which one belongs if you do not read it. We can always reverse the direction if need be. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:21, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: I have 2 pending edits adding Archive.org links to the print editions of his novel and also fixed their page counts; also have an edit for the author adding Wikipedia link and his Amazon photo. There is almost no mention of his short story online; I hope someone can find that somewhere someday and add a link. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:41, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::: I've just done the author and title varianting; there's a rilersagerbooks.com link that I guess should be moved from the RS author record to TR, but I'll wait for those other edits to be accepted, just to avoid any risk of async approvals losing anything. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 16:16, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Broken Fantascienza Author Image ==<br />
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https://www.fantascienza.com/catalogo/autori/NILF17713/james-lovegrove/; I made a couple of edits for James Lovegrove books and then decided to replace his B&W image with 1 of 2 nice color images on FantLab; I like to add unique images and since Open Library has none and Fantastic Fiction uses the same image as Amazon that leaves Fantascienza, but unusually the image is broken. Anyone know how to find out what it is/was so I don't use the same image from FantLab, assuming there is a match with one of them? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:57, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Neely ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1096598; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5685960; As can be seen in my edit I changed the publisher name; I think the 1906 edition may be a date error (there's no edit history) and can probably be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:37, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Clarkesworld ==<br />
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We had a conversation about this one a few times and it never went anywhere so let's try again. We have two separate series for the magazine:<br />
* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?35233 Clarkesworld (print issues)] - the print versions<br />
* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?26273 Clarkesworld Magazine] - the ebooks and the webzines<br />
In addition, the 2022 issues are entered with different editors in both: just Clarke in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3087880 ebooks] and Kate Baker, Neil Clarke, Sean Wallace on the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3014672 print issues]. The magazines are essentially the same and even if they had some extra content, that had not stopped us using a single series elsewhere. I propose to merge the two series and to clear up the editors. Based on the masthead, I favor the 3 editors vs just Clarke but it can be interpreted either way. Any objections to the merge and any thoughts on the list of editors? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:52, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Agree 100% with merging the two series. My choice is to credit the Editor-in-Chief, but I have no objection to crediting all three. Some of the publication records could also use some cleanup. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:03, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::I've no concerns with combining the series. I too feel that we should go with a single editor. I had previously thought our policy was to go with the Editor-in-Chief when multiple types of editors are listed, but the last time I researched that I couldn't find it documented. I'd go with the Editor-in-Chief. I will note that neither Miller/Contento nor Locus1 list an edition. FictionMags doesn't for the early issues, and lists Sean Wallace for the most recent ones. He is also listed on Galactic Central. For the single issue for which I have a hard copy, Kate Baker is credited as Non-Fiction Editor/Podcast Director which seems a little attenuated to me. I'd like to avoid getting into a situation like the semiprozine Hugo nominations for [https://file770.com/2022-hugo-award-finalists/ Strange Horizons]. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:02, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Yellow Peril ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?287140; I added Archive.org link to PB and saw LCCN says 383 for HC which is much higher than what's on ISFDB; does anyone own a copy who can correct page count if necessary? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:25, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Times Mirror ==<br />
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After coming across countless NEL books that say "Times Mirror" on title page I realized it wasn't a co-publisher or imprint but just distributor or parent company or something similar and shouldn't actually be entered here as part of the publisher name; I removed the ones I had changed to New English Library / Times Mirror a while back (thank goodness there were only 4) but this one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5447529, was not done by me. I suspect I must have seen this and followed along blindly. The note is not by me, I just added Archive.org link, but notes in a couple of the other records are written similarly so I probably just cut-and-pasted this original note. So if anyone (I think 1 PV, Spacecow, is still sort of active) wants to make publisher of this one just New English Library that's up to them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:02, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Rest In Agony ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?828278; I replaced Younger's Pharaoh book cover and uploaded new cover for this book from Bookscans; ID doesn't match what's on the cover. I don't know who's responsible for that, MLB who uploaded the old cover, RTrace who secondary verified stuff, Rosa, anybody else that worked on this, so someone may want to decide what to do about that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:16, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Magic Ring ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1135737; The Valancourt TP was just upped on Archive.org, I made an edit, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5687545, but there's problems. Someone named ElectricStarboard was the last one to edit the HC and seems to have altered the title. Judging by their page and the fact that almost every message is about how they fixed or merged or did other stuff incorrectly I'm guessing that the HC should also have the subtitle; if it does, and assuming the Sturgis intro is just the TP intro ported over verbatim, then TP intro I entered and HC intro can be merged. I'm pretty sure, being a deluxe edition, the HC would also have the short story "Field of Terror" that as of now is only in the TP. Whenever there's a "data from Amazon" note that usually means page count is wrong and I fixed it for the TP but even though HC also says the same in the note judging from online info that page count may be correct, although almost certainly Roman numerals would need to be added to it for all the essays and other stuff at the beginning. Does anyone own the HC? That would be very helpful. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:45, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ah, Sweet Mystery of Life ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5687723; ISFDB has a 1989 edition which is barebones, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?37485, and the Knopf edition I edited says original was by Michael Joseph in 1989 so I assume that's what it should be here. Surprisingly, only 2 editions are on Archive.org, Knopf and a 14th (?) printing of 1990 Penguin with a cover from some completely different book by another author for some reason. I assume the preface I entered comes from the 1989 edition so if anyone has it and enters it the preface can be re-dated and merged. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:16, 9 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Archives of Haven ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20178; Notes in other 2 books in the series about getting Corgi Joe Petagno cover credits from R. Holdstock's Encyclopedia of Science Fiction, no credit for this book, there's a copy of the encyclopedia on Archive.org with no mention, it seems, of this book but a few online sites identify it as by Petagno. All 4 PV are gone so does anyone know if it's him or not? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:42, 9 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wrong Titles On Archive.org ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5688508; A cautionary tale here. Elizabeth Engstrom's 1992 20-story collection Nightmare Flower was upped last month so I added a link and fixed/added various things. On a whim I decided to enter her name in the search page but in text contents instead of metadata. Not really expecting to find anything I hadn't already entered I was stunned to see her first book, When Darkness Loves Us, a 1985 two-story collection. Since Valancourt put out their reprint edition a few years ago I've tried many times to find somewhere online that showed any of the several earlier editions and could never find any site that showed a contents page so I could enter the numbers, which was very annoying. It turns out the reason why it couldn't be found on Archive.org specifically is because whoever upped it way back in 2011 got it mixed up with a completely different title from another author and publisher. They're not even close. This is far from the first time a book had the wrong title on that site but for some reason I had never thought to search contents for this one. So to anyone looking for anything on that site I suggest searching for titles/ISBN/whatever in contents because you may find a lot of stuff you didn't think was there if you just searched for them the regular way. I'm very happy about this but a few things remain that need doing; the Tor edition has the same page count as the HC and I assume page numbers are the same, so if anyone owns a copy they can verify that and enter them. The Apex edition has a completely different page count which may or may not be right; maybe someone has a copy of that, too. Finally, the first story says it's a novelette but page count is almost 70, way over the 50-page limit for that length, yet in the Hartwell anthology that it was reprinted in the count varies from 30 pages in the HC to around 60 in the PB while in the Valancourt PB (which I edited last year using a library copy) it's 65. So I have a feeling it should be a novella, too, like the second story in the collection. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:43, 9 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Your submission is approved. My rough count was approx. 19,000 words. I would approve the change. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:05, 9 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Done. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:08, 9 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I added WorldCat ID to the Apex edition and noticed note says "data from Amazon" which is a signal that info, especially page count, is probably wrong; WorldCat says 201 pages, not 218, so I made an edit changing it since that's probably correct or closer to it, anyway. I also noticed it says "updated foreword" on their page but I don't know what that means because Theodore Sturgeon was dead for nearly 25 years when this edition came out (I see he died in May of 1985 so the foreword was likely one of the last things he wrote before he died; sad). Supposedly this edition is in 2 public libraries down south in North Carolina and Kentucky which makes sense because Apex is based in Kentucky, but there's also a copy in a university in Taiwan (?!?). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:10, 13 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Change series name: Chubby Lewis Barnavelt ==<br />
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I'm not sure how the series name [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?1404 Chubby Lewis Barnavelt] was created but I think it's offensive as-is. I suggest it should be changed to simply "Lewis Barnavelt". Are there any objections? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:01, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I updated it. Regardless of the offensive part, searching for "Chubby Lewis Barnavelt" produces only 11 hits[https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Chubby+Lewis+Barnavelt%22]. Strickland's books have "John Bellairs's Lewis Barnavelt in TITLE" on cover and title page. It seems more reasonable people would be looking to find this as "Lewis Barnavelt" than "Chubby Lewis Barnavelt". --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:49, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: The series was called "Chubby Lewis" in the 1997 [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/fe/bellairs_john Encyclopedia of Fantasy]. I can't find the word "Chubby" in the e-text that I have. I'll need to check my paper library to see if I have an early edition. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:30, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::https://bellairsia.blogspot.com/2005/09/who-is-chubby-lewis.html. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:48, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Checking the 1993 reprint of the first book, I see that other children call the protagonist "Fatty" on a couple of occasions, but there are no references to "Chubby" that I can find. I found a reference to "her chubby friend Lewis" in ''The Ghost in the Mirror'' (volume 4, 1993, completed by Brad Strickland), but that's it.<br />
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:::: I guess we can add a note explaining that the protagonist is called "Chubby Lewis" in the ''Encyclopedia of Fantasy'', the ''Greenwood Encyclopedia of Science Fiction and Fantasy'' and in Don D'Ammassa's ''Encyclopedia of Fantasy and Horror Fiction'', but we can find no occurrences of this nickname in the editions that we have access to. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:35, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::: Back cover of this book says "Chubby Lewis": https://archive.org/search?query=%22barnavelt%22+%22chubby+lewis%22&sin=TXT. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:43, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Thanks. I have updated the Notes field with the information that we currently have. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:08, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Williamson Effect Intro ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5689255; One of those OL-only copies with no preview; while correcting page count I noticed intros in HC and TP are entered differently. There's also a similarly titled essay in a 2008 David Brin collection, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=love+with+change&type=All+Titles, but it has a 2006 date with no note about where it came from. So the '96 intros can be merged if someone decides which one is more properly titled; whether the later essay is the same one is hard to say because there's no copy of that collection. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:36, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jelly Ink ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=jelly+ink&type=Publisher; I just made an edit adding a link to the 4th printing of Stranger Things Happen by Kelly Link; publisher is Jelly Ink / Small Beer Press even though Jelly Ink is only mentioned on copyright page, but a chapbook by Link, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?28159, is as by Jelly Ink Press with a note about being an imprint. Both of those things can't be right so which publisher name should be the parent? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:50, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Later printings of "Stranger Things Happen" (with unknown dates of publication) are verified, so we shouldn't change them. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:14, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::PV Andrewk and Teddybear are no longer active. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:34, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Math Book ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?249351; I see in history that I added cover and price nearly 2 years ago but this book really doesn't belong here, being non-genre and with no review, so should probably be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:51, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Agreed. I've removed it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:48, 12 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Golden Enemy ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?20192; A discussion of a book by Alexander Key on the boards here prompted me to add a few minor things to 2 of his books I'd edited long ago but I also noticed The Golden Enemy, which I never edited, has a copy on Archive.org, https://archive.org/search?query=golden-enemy, which is 166 pages, not 176 like ISFDB and many other sites say, while there's an Open Road reprint that says 156 pages. This copy, https://picclick.com/The-Golden-Enemy-by-Alexander-Key-194249590087.html, looks like it has the same copyright page so I don't think the archived copy is book club or anything, and there are no Westminster book club editions on ISFDB. So if anyone can solve this mystery, respond here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:18, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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I have collected Alexander Key books for years, and I find that with Westminster Press it can be very hard to determine what printing you have. They did not bother marking First Editions or reprints until sometime in the later 1970's, from what I have seen. I recently posted a copy of "The Forgotten Door" that I belive is a First Edition, mainly because of the ads on the dust jacket. I think some titles had very few printings, if not just one. While a few titles were quite popular and were probably reprinted numerous times. I know "The Forgotten Door" was reprinted, because I own a few differnt editions, including later printings with number strings on the copyright page for a 13th printing, and a 14th printing. I believe "The Golden Enemy" was also popular and reprinted several times. This could be part of the page numbering issue, but it could also just be a cataloging mistake. The Library of Congress records a copy with 176 pages. I have seen cases where the mistake of one library is copied by cataloging departments in several libraries. Basically if someone in The Library of Congress made a mistake, it may have been replicated may times. I have an early copy of this title, but it is packed away right now, so I can't check it. I have seen books where the page numbering was changed to include an "About the Author" page, or an afterword, but 10 pages does seem to be a bit much. [[User:Bernarrd|Bernarrd]] ([[User talk:Bernarrd|talk]]) 16:49, 18 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Heads up on making edits to several hundred pubs, some of which may have verifications ==<br />
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Per [[User_talk:Ahasuerus#Weird_broken_Amazon_image_URLs]] , there are ~600 author and pub record that have Amazon image URLs that are now broken. Most of these URLs can be fixed programmatically, and I've got a simple script to submit the edits via the API.<br />
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Some of these pubs may well have verifications, apologies for any notification spam you might get for them, but I don't think there's any need to create talk page items for everyone whose edits may be affected.<br />
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Although the process is simple, the clicking through approvals for several hundred edits (especially on the selfmoderator pages?) will be tedious, so I'll probably be doing this over the next few days. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 07:52, 12 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Kevin Clarke: two different people? ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?3708 Kevin Clarke] has a late '80s Doctor Who novelization, and 3 bits of fanart from the early 80s, on his page. I strongly suspect these are 2 different people:<br />
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* [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/clarke_kevin The SFE page] only mentions his Doctor Who work<br />
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Clarke_(writer) Wikipedia] only mentions involvement in music, TV and academia, although I suspect a few bits of fanart wouldn't get much of a mention.<br />
* [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Kevin_Clarke TARDIS wiki] (not currently linked from here) doesn't have much, but only mentions TV work<br />
* Googling for '"kevin clarke" bsfa' indicates he may have been active in UK fandom earlier and later than the work on record here e.g. [https://news.ansible.uk/a04.html November 1979 Ansible], [https://efanzines.com/Prolapse/Prolapse04.pdf a 2006 fanzine] (PDF, pages 20 and 26); possibly [https://fanac.org/conpubs/Novacon/Novacon%2040/N40_PR1_colour.pdf a 2010 Novacon progress report].<br />
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At the very least I feel this merits an author note, but would there be any objection to separating these out into two different author records? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 10:03, 13 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Adding a note is a sure thing for sure (Sure? Sure!). I do have some reservations about dividing the entries / authors: things like those do happen (a fan being active in two areas): there are some who do both, and others who begin in one field (say drawing) and do find their fulfilment in another one (say writing, or vice versa). That the candidate(s) both was/were active in the 1980s and seem(s) to stem from the British Isles, leaves the distinct possibility that it is the same person, I'd think. <br />
: And none of the given sources would mention fan artwork, I'd think (because they aren't aware of it). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 14:43, 13 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Stories from the Twilight Zone ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33354; I have an edit adding LCCN ID to this TP edition but noticed there was a 1989 PB on Archive.org which somehow was never entered here so I made an edit for that, too, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5691762, but there's a cover art question; 1986 says Roger Bergendorf did the "cover photo" but 1989 says Stan Watts did the "cover art" which has a 1986 copyright date. It looks like art to me so if anyone is familiar with Watts' style maybe they can identify him as the artist and his name can be entered, possibly with a note in TP record about wrong cover credit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 01:52, 14 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:You'll have to discuss with the primary verifier, who's active as editor. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 05:08, 14 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::TP PV is transient so they wouldn't have their copy anymore and they probably have no idea about the art question because they didn't even enter Bergendorf as cover artist (maybe they thought photos don't count as art, even though by looking at it closely it appears to be artwork and not a photo). There's no PV to ask about the PB because that edition wasn't on ISFDB until I added it (approval pending). Maybe someone is familiar with Watts' art and can identify it as his or there's a clear copy with a signature somewhere on the cover. It wouldn't make sense to have 2 separate art credits here for what's obviously the same art so one artist should be decided on and entered. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:07, 14 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Eclipse Pages/Dates ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5692038; Most of Beford's books are either on Archive.org or in 2 cases OL-only no-preview editions; the last one I edited has a couple of issues. Note says it should be 309 pages per ISFDB but it should really be 311, right? also, these Edge books sometimes have that Canada/USA date thing on copyright page; how to tell what's a USA edition if they just put both dates? Couldn't this book just as easily have a 2006 date? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:20, 14 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Daw Duplicate ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?669885; Should the non-PV record be deleted? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:09, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: It has a different ISBN and based on the ISBN and the fact that it is a later one, I'd say it is a reprint and probably a 2000 one (See the rest of the ISBNs starting with the same numbers [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_publisher&O_1=exact&TERM_1=DAW+Books&C=AND&USE_2=pub_isbn&O_2=starts_with&TERM_2=08867788&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication here]). Looking up that second ISBN online (0886778832), I see some records so seems like a valid one indeed. I will do some more digging and eventually re-date to 0000-00-00 for now if I cannot confirm the 2000 and if it still looks like a reprint. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 22:07, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== French Replay ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?528161; https://archive.org/search?query=grimwood+seuil; As I was adding edits to some editions of K. Grimwood's Replay I found that French one. Edit history shows only Hauck who according to his page here wants nothing to do with this site and says it's no use to "left" messages, so any other French-fluent editors who want to enter that (price is different on the back so I assume it's some other printing) can do so if they wish. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:25, 16 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== New cleanup report: pre-1967 pubs with an ISBN ==<br />
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A new cleanup report has been deployed. It looks for pre-1967 publications with an ISBN. The data will become available tomorrow morning. I expect the report to find 49 suspect records. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:15, 16 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:27, 16 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Desert of Death's Domain ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5694536; I think all 3 PV are gone so someone who's into these Rhodan books may want to look at this one because I see some possible problems with series being part of title and title in contents being shortened and also having one with a # and one without. Maybe this is correct and the way others in the series were entered but I doubt it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:03, 16 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Yellow warnings for ISBNs enhanced ==<br />
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In NewPub/AddPub/EditPub/ClonePub submissions, post-submissions yellow warnings for ISBNs have been enhanced as follows:<br />
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* Multiple yellow warnings are now fully supported. In the past, only some combinations of yellow warnings were displayed.<br />
* The threshold year for pubs with ISBNs has been changed from 1970 to 1967. The language of the warning has been clarified to indicate that ISBNs are not allowed for pre-1967 publications.<br />
* If you edit a publication with an ISBN value and change the publication date value to a year prior to 1967, the same yellow warning is displayed in the publication date row.<br />
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[[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:56, 17 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== R. Dunkley Story Title ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1374862; Open Library lists contents and they say "Zane", not "Zazine"; little photo evidence of this book online, so maybe someone here has a copy and can verify what it is and fix if needed. On the plus side, while looking into this I found that Dunkley has a website and Nick Bantock did the cover art for The Twilight Book, so I made edits adding both. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:33, 18 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Black Is A Man ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?815472; A copy of this rare novel was upped last November so I added a link along with LCCN. There's an awesome sticker on the cover from J.M. Fields with a 57-cent price; that store went out of business in 1978 according to Wikipedia so this copy's at least 45 years old. I didn't see any artist credit inside the book but it may be hiding somewhere in that creepy artwork in case anyone can find it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:26, 18 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I couldn't see any signature on the front or back cover, or on the flaps. I added a note to that effect. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:52, 20 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== King's The Plant ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?92669; http://jerryshouseofeverything.blogspot.com/2017/08/forgotten-book-plant.html; I'd like to know the best way to enter that PDF mentioned at the bottom which is a dead link but is still online at club-stephenking.fr. Is it a novel? A chapbook? It was published electronically in 2000 (note the Stoker nomination here) but it has page numbers. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:06, 20 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Looks like each part should be a SERIAL, with its publication a CHAPBOOK. Although it's unfinished, in composite they would be a novel, so you'd variant all six to a parent NOVEL record and note that it is unfinished. [https://stephenking.com/works/other-project/plant-zenith-rising.html stephenking.com] has info and PDFs for groups of three. I see the site you linked has a PDF for all 6. I would use the page numbers to compute "pages" for the installments and note the actual number range in each one. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:50, 20 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Biomass Bob (Robert E. Lumpkin passing 6/20/2023) ==<br />
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Hello ISFDB Community,<br />
My father asked me to share his passing with you all. He died yesterday 6/20/2023 of pneumonia. My brother and I were with him and he died peacefully. The illness came on very suddenly, but once it took hold, it proved impossible to beat. He valued this site and all the contributors so much.<br />
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My brother and I will be selling his spectacular collection of science fiction/fantasy books/media in the next couple of months. We don't share his love of the material and we want it to go to a good home. If anyone can direct us to an appropriate dealer or place to talk about selling his collection, it would be greatly appreciated. We will check back here periodically.<br />
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I apologize if I have placed this notice in the wrong place. Best, Nancy Sowers<br />
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: Hello Nancy, <br />
: No, that's the perfect place for it. I am so sorry for your loss. Bob was a part of the site and of our community and we will sorely miss him. I hope you find some solace in the fact that he won't be forgotten. Try to find some time for yourself in these hard times and we will all miss Bob :( [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:36, 21 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: I am very sorry to hear about Bob's passing :-( He was always very dedicated and a pleasure to work with.<br />
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:: I am afraid I can't help with finding a dealer, but some of our contributors may be in a better position to point you in the right direction. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:12, 21 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:I'm so sorry to hear that. Our condolences to you and your family. Bob will be missed. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:16, 21 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Bob was always a pleasure to work with. Sorry to hear he's gone, I'll miss him. As for the collection, you might try Centipede press (mail to jerad@centipedepress.com). Sometimes they sell special collections for family of former customers. I think Bob was one of their better customers, recently he helped them with a [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Biomassbob#Strange_Plasma_issue_8 rare Lafferty story] and his collection is certainly special. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 08:28, 22 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::My condolences as well. Your father was one of my favorite ISFDB collaborators to work with. I will miss him greatly. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:55, 22 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::He will definitely be missed here. He contributed quite a bit over the years. My condolences to you and to your family. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:35, 22 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::I am so sorry for your loss, Nancy. Bob was great to work with, I valued his input on many projects and he will be missed here. May his memory be a blessing. Rest in Peace, Bob. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 03:43, 23 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::I'm so sorry to hear about Bob. I had lunch with your Bob and your brother at the Windy City Pulp collector's convention in 2019. It was one of most enjoyable encounters I have had in the last several years and I'd hoped to meet with him again.<br />
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:::If you can wait until ~April 2024 to sell his collection, the upcoming Windy City Pulp convention will give you the opportunity to contact 50-100 dealers, and you might be able to arrange for an estate auction.[[User:Rkihara|Rkihara]] ([[User talk:Rkihara|talk]]) 12:27, 30 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?178737; Maybe someone here who knows his personal info would like to update his record. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:52, 30 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::I've updated it with his date of death and linked it to his user page here. If anyone can find an obituary for him, we can update it more. I've had no luck finding one. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:17, 30 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::I've been in and out of the hospital myself recently, so I missed Bob's death, but I've always found him a helpful editor and moderator, ever since I started here eleven years ago. He will be missed. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 00:33, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Golem Questions ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5698892; This is the original edition, I think. Then there is this, https://archive.org/search?query=meyrink+golem+wolff&sort=-addeddate, where the 2 Golem editions are by Kurt Wolff but are different on title/copyright pages. Any of the many German editors here may want to approve my edit and then add details to it which escaped me, being non-fluent in the language, and also enter those other 2 which are likely later editions. On a semi-related note I asked 2 PV recently about Bester's Golem 100 but one of them is now deceased so if anyone knows the answer, possibly the other PV, thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:21, 22 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5698892; Someone finally got around to my Golem edit but rejected it because of the date, although I think it's because it was published in December and, as so often, books published at the end of the year have a copyright for the following year. But whatever. If anyone ever does anything with this they can decide if the archived copy is a first printing, a later edition, whatever. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:57, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Madrone Tree ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=the-madrone-tree; There was a recent message here about an A.C. Clarke cover being originally from Dark Dominion by David Duncan; I see his "reviewed in The Arkham Sampler", almost genre, novel The Madrone Tree was recently upped but there's no cover and copyright page is pretty bare so I suspect it's some kind of book club edition, in case anyone can figure out from a gutter code or something what exactly it is and wants to enter it here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:59, 23 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Derek Hegsted ==<br />
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I was adding a few edits to editions of L. Ron Hubbard's Fear when I noticed the note for the 1991 HC said they're not sure where the internal art credit came from, so I found a 1994 article on www.deseret.com which mentioned Hegsted and said he did art for 3 books including Serpent Catch and Murisaki. The first is by Dave Wolverton and credits Derek Hegstead so I did all the needed variants and such but the second is unknown; searching for that title on WorldCat found 1 musical score for the harp and nothing else, so if anyone knows what it is (novel?) that would be great. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:01, 23 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:They might mean [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?928491 this anthology], though the art is apparently by Stephen Youll. I actually have this anthology, so I will check it when I get home from work. I also have Serpent Catch, so I can check that one, too (for the spelling of his name). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:49, 30 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I have 2 pending edits for Serpent Catch. After those are approved I don't think you'll need to do anything else with that book. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:08, 30 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Complete Cthulhu ==<br />
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For Lovecraft fans, https://archive.org/search?query=complete-cthulhu&sort=-addeddate; not sure which edition it is, leather bound or collectible ("collectible" didn't show up in a text search and "leather" only shows up in some of the stories) and it's a 3rd printing, I think, but ISFDB has a 9th (!) printing. So I mention it in case anyone wants to enter. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:41, 24 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Baen Books vs. Baen Fantasy ==<br />
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See this discussion, https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Dirk_P_Broer#Warriorwards, in case any of the many PV agree and want to make Baen Fantasy a publisher series and make Baen Books the publisher. This is similar, I think, to how most people entered the countless Tor publications as just that but a handful decided to enter Tor Horror, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?73896, as if that's a separate publisher or something. EDIT: There's also a related issue where a handful entered Avon Horror as a series, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?9753, when it isn't. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:47, 24 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== 2 Vikings ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?67171; First book is by cheap UK 50's PB publisher while others are UK editions of major American publisher Viking so something should be added to PB publisher to differ. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:25, 24 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== WSFA Small Press Award ==<br />
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Is the [https://wsfasmallpressaward.org/ WSFA Small Press Award] in the database? I was checking a few authors who were already nominated for it but couldn't find it in neither their pages or in the Awards Directory. [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 18:55, 16 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It doesn't look like it's been added yet, looking at the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_directory.cgi list of awards]. I think it's likely eligible. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:26, 19 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Thanks! Where is the best place to propose a new addition to the Awards directory? [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 00:58, 24 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Ahaseurus usually adds the award itself, and then any moderator can add categories to it (if needed) and any editor can add awards to various titles and moderators will then approve them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:23, 26 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Sorry I missed the question when it was posted on the Help Desk. I agree that the award looks eligible. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:19, 26 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: If there are no objections, I will create this award type tomorrow. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 23:41, 29 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: The Award Type [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?108 has been created]. Thanks for bringing it to everyone's attention. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:18, 30 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Manfred W. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=manfred+wil&type=Name; Usual PV for these languages, Stonecreek, JLochhas, Rudam, Willem, so if any of them know whether these 2 guys are the same or whether one or the other is misspelled and needs to be made a variant or if they're not the same guy at all, have a look. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:54, 26 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== James Barry ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?141183; I made some edits for Mutants recently and noticed clicking on James Barry leads to another person's record; some variant is needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:16, 27 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I disambiguated the two James Barry's. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 01:50, 29 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Two review books ==<br />
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I have two anthologies that are nothing, or almost nothing, but reviews on slick paper. One is [https://www.amazon.com/Paperback-Fantastic-Horror-Justin-Marriott/dp/B0B92HCLRL/ref=sr_1_2?crid=1ZY6MCRPL0TRU&keywords=Paperback+Fantastic+Horror&qid=1687909120&s=books&sprefix=paperback+fantastic+horror%2Cstripbooks%2C104&sr=1-2 Paperback Fantasic #3] and [https://www.amazon.com/Collected-Pulp-Horror-One/dp/1793987548/ref=sr_1_1?crid=19Z86H7GZ1TFN&keywords=the+Collected+Pulp+Horror&qid=1687909847&s=books&sprefix=the+collected+pulp+horror%2Cstripbooks%2C128&sr=1-1 The Collected Pulp Horror]. Both are profusely illustrated with book covers, some in color. Do I list the cover reproductions/reprints along with the reviews and articles? Is there a rule about this? I have no life, so either way is fine, and I got the time to list everything. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 20:03, 27 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: If the reproductions are of genre novels and books - YES - as interior art that then gets varianted into the covers when possible! If they are not - as long as the reviews are of eligible books, the whole book is eligible so... yes. There is actually a chance that you may discover previously unknown artists for some of our books - in which case you can add a coverart record crediting the books you are holding and then use that as a parent for the reproduction. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 20:48, 27 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Angry Candy Art ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?123061; I was adding 2 links to Houghton Mifflin and 1 to Mariner (+ page numbers) when I noticed the odd page numbering for the art in Plume; very early 2007 PV here so maybe that was the thing back then but now it doesn't need page numbers, does it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:00, 28 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Hughart Omnibus ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?136566; Finding a photo of Barry Hughart on FantLab spurred me to add archived links to editions of all 3 of his novels but his omnibus is nowhere to be found. The original publisher apparently published nothing else and the Subterranean edition was re-released with corrections. Someone here must have a copy of one of these books; if they do, I'm sure some info can be fixed/added. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:00, 28 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cleanup Report: Potential Duplicate E-book Publications ==<br />
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I just noticed that all of the titles by Glynn Stewart that have a Patreon edition ebook publication are showing up on the Potential Duplicate E-book Publications Cleanup Report. For example: "A Question of Faith". Right now there's only about 35 of them but is there any way to tweak the report criteria so they aren't on it? They are very definitely not duplicates. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:58, 28 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Thus the word "Potential" - these reports have a hidden functionality in them :) Moderators can ignore the ones which are valid and do not need to be flagged. For non-moderators, if you provide a list of the valid ones in a Moderator Board post, a moderator will look them over and click on the ignore for you. This is valid of a lot of our reports - they don't always mean that there is an issue - or that what they are flagging is the issue - they are just a "go check this again" warning based on automatic checks. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:10, 28 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Itsy Bitsy Spider ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1013230; This is a very confused title. I just made 3 PENDING edits removing title from Shivers III, importing title from Read Your Fears into Shivers III, and re-dating that title to date of Shivers III. Now the problem is that the parent title is wrong because this story was co-authored with his daughter (and the 1994 date is also wrong) but his collection Aftershock does list the title in table of contents as Itsy Bitsy Spider and doesn't mention a co-author. Archive.org copy of Aftershock is messed up and doesn't allow any searches so I think the correct thing to do would be to add co-author to parent title and then re-title it and date it to match the kid's anthology it first appeared in and for someone who has access to Aftershock to verify what's on the story's title page and fix if needed. Anyone have it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 01:20, 29 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I reversed the variant and parent so that the original title with both authors is now the parent. Looking at the Amazon Look Inside for ''Aftershock & Others'', Meggan C. Wilson is listed in the acknowledgements for "Itsy Bitsy Spider" and searching her name within the Look Inside shows a hit on page 151 (page story starts on) even though the page is not shown. As such, I added her to that story. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 02:02, 29 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Lucifer and the Child ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5705474; Judging by the wartime note on copyright page and 1944 dates of writing on last page I think book date should be changed to 1945 like WorldCat says. What say you? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:49, 29 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Spanish Genesis ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?88476; https://www.amazon.com/-/es/dp/8432037427; I was entering several edits for Harbinson books and came across this. Someone more familiar with Spanish publications may know what the "2d" on the cover means, whether this is a reprint of the original Planeta or if there was an earlier edition from someone else, and I'm sure the seller's description in Spanish has some info that could be useful. In case anyone wants to enter anything. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:29, 29 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Betancur ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=betancur&type=Name; Likely the same artist. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:49, 30 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== It-Alien Nation ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3405; Some weird uploader from Canada has 3 obscure Canadian non-fiction items in their account and a HC Italian edition of Alan Dean Foster's novelization of the 1988 film Alien Nation, https://archive.org/details/aliennation0000fost, in case anyone fluent wants to enter that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:34, 30 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Out of the Everywhere ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?37423; I added Archive.org link in a PENDING edit to 1981 US PB, someone's note about comma only on cover and spine but someone added it to cover art and Canadian PB title, needs removing, also someone's note about LCCN not being on LoC but someone added it to both US and Canadian, needs removing from External ID and adding number to notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:02, 30 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Caramine ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=weapon+master&type=All+Titles; I don't usually dabble in old pulp but I think I stumbled across something here. Note in Caramine's record says it's a pseudonym of a SF guy; search for title and Robert Hoskins gets a few mentions in SF bibliographies but this search, https://archive.org/search?query=%22weapon+master%22+%22a.+l.+caramine%22&sin=TXT&sort=-addeddate, shows a few copies of the zine where Caramine's credit was. This review of the zine where the Hoskins credit was, http://andrewdarlington.blogspot.com/2015/12/retrospect-science-fiction-adventures.html, mentions Newcastle and Jordan's Delight, 2 places mentioned in the Caramine story, so I think it's obvious that Hoskins reprinted the story under his own name. Also interesting is that the note here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?212773, mentions "Ac" as artist for the Hoskins story; Ac=A. Caramine? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:33, 2 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jason ? Brock ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=dark+sea+within&type=All+Titles; Last item has no period after V in Brock's name; eBay copy also shows no period on contents page and Kobo preview shows no period on acknowledgements page but all-important story page wasn't seen, so if anyone owns/knows where a readable copy is it would help to decide whether it needs to be a variant or merged. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:44, 2 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Lee Ann Barlow / Lee Kuruganti ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?248792 Lee Ann Barlow] appears to be the married name of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?102605 Lee Kuruganti].<br />
* Lee Ann Barlow - 49 titles, earliest 2016-10-00.<br />
* Lee Kuruganti - 109 titles, latest 2016-01-00.<br />
Normally we would make Lee Kuruganti the canonical name. Are there any objections to making Lee Ann Barlow the canonical name? This will avoid having to reverse the relationship at the point where Lee Ann Barlow is the most recognized. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:57, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Ordinarily, recently published titles have more "weight" when determining "the most recognized name for the author within the SF genre", so I would be agree with the proposal if the numbers were close. However, 49 vs. 109 is rather lopsided and there is no guarantee that the artist will continue publishing as by "Lee Ann Barlow" going forward, at least at the same rate of publication. It makes me hesitant to create an exception. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:34, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Your point regarding future publications is valid. I'll make Lee Kuruganti the canonical name for now. We can revisit if the credits equalize. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:20, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mr. Scott ==<br />
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I added cover artist to American edition of The Jules Verne Companion, Steve Hofheimer, thanks to FantLab, but the British edition is confusing. Both American and British (searchable on Google Books) say "Designed by Christopher Scott" on title page. ISFDB has a Chris Scott, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?228831, with cover art credit for the British, and a Christopher Scott, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?112902, with interior art for another Peter Haining anthology. Both Scotts also have short story credits for some other Scott with the same first name; whether author Chris and author Christopher are the same guy is another question. So anyone who maybe owns the British and can verify it says "Chris" on a flap or something would help. Separating authors from artists is also needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:36, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Independence Day ==<br />
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https://media.tenor.com/13bNRuU9yDIAAAAC/july4th-yes.gif; https://media.tenor.com/YOYXiSoDol8AAAAd/happy4th-of-july-4th-of-july.gif. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:46, 4 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Manor ISBN ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_isbn&O_2=contains&TERM_2=1532&USE_3=pub_publisher&O_3=contains&TERM_3=manor&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication]; Killer Pack is the only Manor book which starts with 1532, just over 200 Manor books on ISFDB start with 0532, this eBay copy, https://picclick.com/Killer-Pack-Herbert-Myers-Paperbacks-From-Hell-285355696448.html, has no starting number on the spine, should it be changed from 1 to 0? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:20, 4 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Twilight Tales Presents, September 1998 ==<br />
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What happened to the cover? Also, it's verified for Locus1, but where is it listed there? I thought Locus was only for books. --[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 14:08, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?386118 Twilight Tales Presents, September 1998]. Galactic Central either moved the cover or had to delete it for some reason - the risk in using outside/non-ISFDB hosted covers. If it was moved, someone may be able to track it. If it is deleted, we need to find it elsewhere...<br />
: As for Locus1 - check with Ron. Part of it is that some of the things we consider magazines are considered anthologies by others (and vice versa) but the verifier can tell you what the answer is better than anyone else. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:28, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks, Annie. Sorry I didn't put the link in my post. I wonder why Galactic Central deleted it… --[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 14:31, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Copyright challenge, personal information (if there was a label on it?), a mistake by someone, just moving it somewhere, a better cover was uploaded but the name not used for some reason - who knows what happened. Their covers are usually stable (unlike their links) but things happen. You can always ask them if you want :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:38, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Locus1 actually does cover magazines in addition to books. Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:13, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::So I did ask Phil S-P, and this is what he said: "[''Twilight Tales Presents''] is one of those strange borderline publications that is sometimes classed as a magazine and sometimes as an anthology (I see that the ISFDb currently tries to have it both ways by listing some issues as magazines and some as anthologies!). My view is that it was an anthology series and, as such, falls outside my core remit."<br />
:::::Disappointing. —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 14:32, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Linking Award details on Award Type and Award Category pages ==<br />
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We currently use asterisks ("*") on Award Type and Award Category pages to link to nominations without a numeric value. See [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ay.cgi?23+2023 ''2023 Hugo Award''] for an example of an Award Type page which has no numeric values because only nominations have been announced: every link is an asterisk.<br />
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As [[User:ErsatzCulture]] pointed out earlier today, these asterisks are not particularly intuitive; it's hard for our users to tell that you need to click on an asterisk to see each award's detailed data. How about we replace "*" with the word "Details"? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:42, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:I think having the word "Details" would clutter up the page, especially given how those tables are displayed. Maybe use the Unicode 🛈 (U+1F6C8) or Ⓘ (U+24BE). Some other possibilities: ⎆ (U+2386), ⎘ (U+2398), ⏵ (U+23F5), Ⓓ (for "Details", U+24B9), ▶ (U+25B6), ► (U+25BA), ➤ (U+27A4), ➨ (U+27A8), ➔ (U+2794), ➜ (U+279C), ➥ (U+27A5), and ⮩ (U+2BA9). You could use one of these if "Nominated" was selected: 🅝 (U+1F15D), 🄽 (U+1F13D), 🅽 (U+1F17D), or 🇳 (U+1F1F3). If they're a finalist, there are the equivalent versions of "F": 🅕 (U+1F155), 🄵 (U+1F135), 🅵 (U+1F175), and 🇫 (U+1F1EB). <br />
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:I lean toward one of these two (out of those I listed): ▶ (U+25B6), ➤ (U+27A4). If you like the letters for "Nominated" and "Finalist", then I like 🇳 (U+1F1F3) and 🇫 (U+1F1EB). [https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/category/So This] is where I found these. Looks like they also have medals, too, for first (🥇 (U+1F947)), second (🥈 (U+1F948)), and third (🥉 (U+1F949)) places. That might be a little too fancy, though. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:47, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: I'm getting horrible flashbacks of sitting in meetings where a project manager and a graphic/UI designer were having a screaming fit about whether a white-i-in-a-blue-circle, or a question-mark-in-a-circle were best icons for this sort of link ;-)<br />
:: I do agree that "Details" might be a bit long, my initial thought was something like Heavy Asterisk ✱ (U+2731) and/or doing with the CSS to have a min-width on the link to make it easier to click on. <br />
:: However it then struck me - "Details" is perhaps overselling things for the majority of awards - in many cases, the award detail page doesn't (IIRC) have any info that isn't already shown on the ay.cgi list page. Could we perhaps do something like this for the link text:<br />
:: - if there's a number, show that (like we do at present)<br />
:: - if there's a note for the award - i.e. if the award_note_id is not NULL or zero - then show "More", an arrow icon, or something else that indicates there's more info available if the user wants it. (NB: we don't care what that info is, only if it exists, so there's no need to join onto the notes table in the underlying query)<br />
:: - if there's no note - i.e. award_note_id is NULL or zero - then show an asterisk, or some relatively uninteresting UI element, which facilitates clicking through to the award_details.cgi page, but doesn't mislead a user into thinking there's anything interesting to be found behind the link<br />
:: [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 16:27, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: I believe you are correct: the only thing that the Award page shows that isn't available on higher level "list" pages is Notes. I like the idea of having some kind of indicator to distinguish award records with Notes from award records without Notes. "More" is probably the most straightforward way to do it without adding clutter to the page.<br />
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::: Re: Unicode characters like 🇳 and 🇫, it's a complementary idea which can be addressed separately. We can certainly use them instead of asterisks for specific "award levels". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:46, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Here's a barebones implementation (less than a half-a-dozen lines changed) of what was discussed, at least as I understood/interpreted it<br />
:::: [[File:BasicAwardLinkImprovement.png]]<br />
:::: My initial thought is that "More" makes that column a bit too wide; maybe instead use something like [https://prod.emojipedia.org/information/ one of these images]? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 17:57, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: We already use "&#x24d8;" to indicate that a record has Notes -- see the "Translations" table on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1302553 this page], so I guess we could use the same symbol on Award pages. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:22, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: {{FR|1579}}, "Display a mouse-over Notes bubble for award records with Notes", has been created. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:36, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Profit of Doom ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5712870; I'm starting to slowly go through ErsatzCulture's very useful list of books published only in the UK and this one had a note from the long-missing PV "Prof Beard" with a link to the photo, so I uploaded it. The publisher has about 20 books on ISFDB with either David Hardy or David A. Hardy as cover artist so it's very likely the same guy but a jacketed copy would need to be seen in order to know how he was credited. This book seems to have fallen off a cliff into a black hole because there's almost no info about it anywhere, so if anyone can do better and find an online copy or owns one then the artist will probably be able to be entered. Unless they didn't credit him at all. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:55, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Russian Sheckley ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/belaiasmertfanta0000shec; While fixing some title dates and adding a link to Dead Run re: Robert Sheckley's Stephen Dain novels I ran across this, an omnibus of all 5 of those books plus The Man in the Water, in case anyone fluent in Russian would like to enter that nearly 1,000-page monster. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:26, 8 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Series Map ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?2147; Should a map really be part of a series or is that a mistake that should be removed? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:52, 8 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Five Star Questions ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?933215; I've done a ton of edits for Five Star books today; 2 issues: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?933215, should those credits be separated since art is different? Also, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1150004, title date is November, book date is December, search of Google Books copy can't get a grasp on the copyright page credit, intro month needs adding, so anyone who can verify what's the month can fix title or book date and add month to intro. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:49, 8 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Trek Ladies ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5713417; There's no photo on Culbreath's Wikipedia so I found one but her writing partner Sondra Marshak has a photo of Vonda N. McIntyre on her Open Library page; I recognize it because some time ago I added 3 different versions of the same photo to her record here, each one better than the last, until I found the best one that's there now. Vonda's Open Library page has a much later photo that's correct because it shows up elsewhere online on pages re: her death. Any idea why her older photo is on the wrong page or why Culbreath's birth date on Wikipedia is several months later than what's here? Now that I think of it, it's possible Culbreath's photo isn't really her, either. Some older SF people here will probably recognize everyone and chime in. EDIT: Good Lord, it isn't her. An obituary on file770.com reveals that image is of Shirley S. Maiewski, another Trek writer, so I cancelled Culbreath and added the image to Maiewski. The mystery remains of what Culbreath and Marshak really look like and what's Culbreath's real birth date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:06, 8 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Witches Wraiths Warlocks ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?916737; I added 2 links to 1971 edition and 1 to 1973 edition, plus changed title from and to & like it says on cover and title page. Sadly, PV of all 3 editions is gone and 1988 edition says and on cover so he can't be asked if it's really & on title page and the 1 eBay copy shows back cover but not title page. So does anyone own the 1988 edition? Introduction would also need re-titling if it's &. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:10, 9 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Robert C. Goldston ==<br />
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{{A|Robert C. Goldston}} (1927-1982) was an American author who published 4 speculative fiction novels (we have 3 on file) and a significant amount of non-SF, some of it as by "James Stark". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:04, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I have added the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3206757 missing title] and sent a correction to SFE. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:02, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Our record currently links him to the "James Stark" who illustrated ''Nebula Science Fiction'' in 1956-1958. A SFE contributor has suggested that the US author and the UK artist were likely two different people. Would anyone happen to know more about this issue?<br />
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Also, we don't have Goldston's exact date of death on file. In a [https://groups.google.com/g/alt.obituaries/c/dlHahRx81_M 2017 Usenet/Google Groups discussion] one of the participants claimed to be Goldston's child and wrote:<br />
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* He died at the age of 54, in Palma de Mallorca on Jan 15 1982 after a short-lived and vicious battle against renal carcinoma. His death was attended by all of his family who would be the only ones who have this information, simply because nobody ever asked us.<br />
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I hesitate to add the date to our record without additional verification, but perhaps it may point someone else in the right direction. Palma de Mallorca is a Spanish city; perhaps a local/regional/national newspaper may have mentioned it? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:04, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I would take the cautionary way and add '1982-01-00' with an accompanying note that it has to be verified. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:23, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks for the feedback. Since we don't seem to be able to find a (semi)official source, I left it as "1982-00-00" and added the Usenet/Google Group quote to Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:57, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Re: the other point (the James Stark pseudonym): The Wikipedia entry states that he at "one time was a science-fiction cover artist under the pseudonym James Stark for Nebula Science Fiction.[6]" (the [6] referring to a now defunct source: sfcovers.net), so it seems quite possible that the two names belong to the same person, also for the cover artwork. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:23, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebula_Science_Fiction Wikipedia's article about ''Nebula Science Fiction''] mentions {{A|David A. Hardy}}'s article [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1560681 Art & Artists] in {{A|Robert Holdstock}}'s [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?204909 1978 ''Encyclopedia of Science Fiction'']. Checking page 129 of the book, I see that Hardy wrote:<br />
::* The Sottish-based magazine ''Nebula Science Fiction'', which appeared between 1952 and 1959, also gave cover space to artists including Eddie Jones, Alan Hunter, James Stark and Gerald Quinn. Stark's covers were often just that: severe portrayals of technology against which men were mere ants.<br />
:: Hardy doesn't mention the Goldston connection, which I suspect he would have done if he had been aware of it.<br />
:: ''Galactic Central'' [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/SFI/n01675.htm#A199 doesn't link] James Stark the artist to Robert C. Goldston either.<br />
:: It would appear that the only specialized bibliographic source that is not the ISFDB and that links the two people is the defunct SFcovers.net site -- see [https://web.archive.org/web/20140819040154/http://www.sfcovers.net/Artists/bpage017.htm this archived Web page]. It's even possible that they got the idea that the two authors/artists were the same person from us.<br />
:: Given the above, I would be inclined to break the Alternate Name link and document what we know in Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:28, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Hearing no objection, I have broken the link between the two author records, deleted/adjusted the VTs as needed and added Notes to both author records. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:26, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bear II ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive50#Bear; A copy of this was just uploaded and my edit adding a link was just approved; if anyone can stand to read it then it can be determined whether it's really genre or not. From skimming I get the feeling it's not, so deletion is possible. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:07, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Awards where the title has multiple authors, but some have declined ==<br />
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(This is a slightly edited version of an item I posted on Ahasuerus' page, but he suggested I post it here for wider opinion.)<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?205470 S. B. Divya] has announced that she declined 2 Hugo nominations. One is a novelette, and I've added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?78990 an appropriate entry for that], even if I guess it's not technically official until the stats report becomes available.<br />
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The other is more awkward, as it's a joint editorship of a semiprozine. I've added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?78952 a note] to explain the situation, and to try to pre-empt any complaints. However, this isn't visible on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3137421 the title page] or [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/eaw.cgi?205470 her award page].<br />
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One "solution" would be to unlink the award from the title, which I think might then allow you to edit the authors? I'm definitely not going to try that without a second or third opinion, and losing the link to the title record doesn't seem good. There might be some hack with editing the award_author value to lose the leading "S. B. Divya+", but I don't think that would solve the problem with the title.cgi or eaw.cgi pages?<br />
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Ahasuerus' response:<br />
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"Some authors/editors accepting a nomination and some authors/editors declining it" is a scenario that I don't think I have seen before. I can't think of a way to handle it given the current database schema, but perhaps I am missing something. I would suggest starting a discussion on the Community Portal to see if other editors may have other ideas.<br />
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Anyone got any thoughts on how we might be able to best handle this? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 11:57, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I consider our awards pages an extension of our publication pages, not our author pages. So I'd just add a note in the second case and that will be it - in the same way how we won't delete a book just because an author is now embarrassed of it (or something). If they are on the title record and the title wins an award, we mark it as such. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:15, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: At the moment we have two types of awards: title-based awards and "everything else" awards. We also have outstanding requests to add support for author awards ({{FR|583}}), publisher awards ({{FR|269}}) and series awards (no FR yet), but no work has been done on them as of yet.<br />
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:: For title-based awards, we link award records directly to title records. Our software then uses the linked title's author(s) and title when displaying the award; there is no way to have an award record display different authors or a different title. Award records are then given a "nomination level", which can be anything from "win" to "finalist" to "ineligible" to "withdrawn -- nomination declined".<br />
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:: This approach reflects how actual awards are structured reasonably well most of the time, but we have seen borderline cases which our software didn't support. For example, if an award has no provisions for an author withdrawing a nominated title, it's possible for a text to be both "nominated" and "withdrawn".<br />
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:: The situation described above reflects another issue with our model. If a title has multiple authors/editors and a subset of the authors/editors declines the nomination, we have no way of capturing the scenario in the database outside of Notes.<br />
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:: I guess one way to handle it at the data model level would be to create a separate "accepted/declined" multi-field with one value per author. It would be fairly time-consuming to implement and we would want to make sure that this solution doesn't have any holes in it before we create an FR. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:08, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: I really don't think that we need more than notes here. When all authors decline a nomination, the title is not nominated - we can handle this case already. When at least one does not decline, the title gets nominated and can even win - these are nominations for the texts, not for the authors after all. What happens if someone gets an award somewhere and a year later decides to withdraw (because they just learned about it and really dislike the body giving the award for example)? Or if whoever gives the award ignores a nomination rejection? I think we should just use the notes to document the cases where a rejection does not influence the title becoming a nominee/winner... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:33, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: For the moment, I've edited the note on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?205470 her page]; more than happy if someone else wants to refine the wording. I don't think we need to do anything with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3137421 the EDITOR title record], as that doesn't show any author/editor names in the awards section. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:06, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: I disagree with adding this note to the author's Summary Bibliography page. It is not our function to highlight what is really a personal decision. As bibliographers, were record the award and leave it at that. I'm fine with moving the note to the award record. Even if the consensus agrees with the current placement, the comment regarding our software is inappropriate and should be removed. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:53, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::: I agree - the note does not belong on the author note level - it should be on the award level - that is where it is relevant. I'd be ok for it to be on the title level (for better visibility) but it definitely does not belong on the author level. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:26, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::: You may be unsurprised to find that I disagree. I don't think we should have a page saying "Author X was a nominee for Award Y" when they have made [https://sbdivya.com/fwords/2023/6/29/withdrawing-from-hugo-nominations a clear public statement] that they have not. I think people would understand if we explicit acknowledge this error is due to technical reasons; obviously it would be better if that info only appears on the page it is pertinent to (the awards tab of the author page; it's not needed on the summary, alphabetical or chronological pages), but again that's not something currently supported. As I said, I'm more than happy for others to finesse the wording, but I feel we need to acknowledge the info shown is incorrect for reasons that we're not able to fix currently.<br />
::::::: It's barely 6 months since a blow-up which ended up with [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Speculative_Fiction_Database#History this] (final para of History section, see also [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Internet_Speculative_Fiction_Database#Refusal_to_update_author's_name_change Talk page]) and [https://www.patreon.com/posts/76590909 this] and various luminaries criticizing this site e.g. [https://twitter.com/pnh/status/1603369239091376128 Tor editor-in-chief], [https://twitter.com/JonathanStrahan/status/1603174740654718976 Locus reviews editor and anthologist], [https://twitter.com/aphoebebarton/status/1603886416534069253 SFWA Director-at-Large]. (There are a load more than those three, but the broken Musk-era Twitter is only showing them to me on the Android app, not the web version.) I imagine most of the editors here understand the structure of the database and site, but this stuff isn't apparent or easily understood to the wider audience. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 16:45, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::I think that was blown way out of proportion. While they claim to have been trying for "over a year", they never posted here (or on any of the other discussion pages) until [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB%3AModerator_noticeboard&type=revision&diff=651183&oldid=650924 14 Dec 2022] about their concerns. Once we knew about the concerns, they were completely addressed [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB%3AModerator_noticeboard&type=revision&diff=651480&oldid=651444 within about 5 days]. Their whining on Twitter and the coverage by Sanford were extremely one-sided and rather disingenuous. My guess is that the changes submitted (whatever they were, and whenever they were) didn't include appropriate documentation. Sanford also mischaracterized an editor's rather bigoted comment as by a "moderator", which was clearly false (not everyone who posts on that noticeboard is a moderator). We try to be as accommodating as possible, but when what they are complaining about is historical, they really don't have much ground to stand on. We document information as it was at the time of publication. We don't have a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministries_in_Nineteen_Eighty-Four#Ministry_of_Truth Ministry of Truth] that wipes out historical information. All things considered, I think we did a great job handling the issue once it was brought to our attention. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:04, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::: I agree that the issue, once posted on the Moderator Noticeboard, was handled expeditiously. As I wrote below, "when Lee Mandelo [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard/Archive_31#Records_Correction_-_Name_.26_Profile_Display asked to have our records updated to make "Lee Mandelo" the canonical name] in December 2022, we requested additional information to support the notion that "Lee Mandelo" was "the most recognized in-genre name" as per the ISFDB policies. Once the supporting information was provided, the canonical name was changed."<br />
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:::::::::: That said, the scenario where "the changes submitted (whatever they were, and whenever they were) didn't include appropriate documentation" is fairly common. There is a big knowledge gap between casual ISFDB users and experienced ISFDB contributors, especially moderators. When reviewing a new contributor's submission which seems to go against ISFDB rules, it's important to query the contributor to determine what the intent of the submission was. It's been my experience that many seemingly wrong or even nonsensical submissions contain good information once you figure out what the submitter was trying to do. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:58, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::::Perhaps we should add something like the following to '''all''' database editing forms. If it was placed at the top, and made very obvious (perhaps put it in a box with a yellow background?), it might help alleviate such issues:<br />
:::::::::::<blockquote>When submitting new information or changes to existing information, please include in the ''Moderator Note'' field references to where you got the information. This can be URLs to specific web pages, book or magazine titles and page numbers, that you spoke directly with a relevant person (please include details of the conversation), or anything else that will help us verify the changes you are submitting. This information should also be included in the publication or title note fields, as well. Doing this will help speed up the process of approving the submitted changes. Thank you!</blockquote><br />
:::::::::::Thoughts? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:35, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::::: A few things come to mind:<br />
::::::::::::* We could limit the display of the proposed "yellow box" to editors with fewer than 20 Wiki posts. It would be similar to the way we color-code submission rows on the Moderator Queue page. The text could start with something like "Hi! Since you haven't made many posts on the ISFDB Wiki, it looks like you are a new editor. Please be aware that the ISFDB database and its data entry rules are complex and may not be intuitive at first glance. When submitting new information or changes to existing information, please include [etc].<br />
::::::::::::* We should use "Note field" as opposed to "publication or title note fields" because the proposed box will appear on all Edit pages.<br />
::::::::::::* I am not sure asking new editors to duplicate what they enter in regular Notes in Moderator Notes would be a good idea.<br />
::::::::::::* This topic probably merits a separate Community Portal section since we are up to 12 levels of indentation.<br />
:::::::::::: [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:13, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::: I see three separate issues here. The first one is the accuracy of our data. The second one is the substance of ISFDB policies and what various people think of them. The third one is whether our practices match our policies. <br />
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:::::::: Re: accuracy, our software doesn't let us create a comprehensive picture of award records where only some of the co-authors/co-editors declined a nomination (outside of Notes.) There are three primary ISFDB pages which display this award in an incomplete manner due to software limitations:<br />
::::::::* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?78952 the award record]<br />
::::::::* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3137421 the EDITOR title record]<br />
::::::::* {{A|S. B. Divya}}'s [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/eaw.cgi?205470 Award Bibliography page]<br />
:::::::: I think it would be best to have a note on all 3 of these Web pages in order to make sure that we don't inadvertently mislead our users with incomplete data. At this time the Award record and the Author record already have notes while the Title record doesn't have a note.<br />
:::::::: In addition, we may want to clarify the language of the note. Something like "Note that the ISFDB award record for ''Escape Pod - 2022'' states that it was nominated for the 2023 Hugo award, which is only partially accurate due to software limitations. One of the co-editors, S. B. Divya, declined the nomination on 2023-06-29 while the other co-editor, Mur Lafferty, remains nominated as of 2023-07-10. See the award record for details."<br />
:::::::: Re: the substance of ISFDB policies and what various people think of them, as the ISFDB FAQ says, we do not have official social media presence. If someone wants to suggest a change to the ISFDB policies, they are welcome to post on the Rules and Standards page.<br />
:::::::: Re: the issue of whether our practices match our policies, when Lee Mandelo [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard/Archive_31#Records_Correction_-_Name_.26_Profile_Display asked to have our records updated to make "Lee Mandelo" the canonical name] in December 2022, we requested additional information to support the notion that "Lee Mandelo" was "the most recognized in-genre name" as per the ISFDB policies. Once the supporting information was provided, the canonical name was changed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:41, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::The problem comes up in several scenarios with title based awards. Those awards currently have a one to one relationship with a title record. Thus, for a title based award, we will always display the Title and Author fields from title record. I believe that schema for the awards table has its own title and author fields, and they used to be exposed and could vary from that of the title record. I had been using that feature to record differences between who was nominated vs who is on the title record when they varied, but [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] asked me to stop doing that in a prior discussion and we cleaned up any records where they differed. Aside from the current question (a nomination does not list all the editors for the magazine), we also have issues of having to enter multiple awards for a single nomination (same magazine for the 2023 Hugos, as there was a change in editors). We've had issues where the nominees for a title include someone in addition to the author of that title (see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?63684 2019 Best Art Book] which was awarded to Charles Vess and Le Guin). We've also had instances where the title of the work differs from the title as published (see this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?68201 2021 Novelette nominee] which was nominated as "Helicopter Story" which is the author's preferred title).<br />
:::::::::I think one way to solve these problems would be to allow the title and author fields for the award to vary from that of the linked title. I would also recommend that a single award could be linked to multiple title records. The award could then be listed in the author's award list for those authors from the award record and in all the title records that are linked. I'm not sure how radical a change that would be, though I suspect linking one award to multiple titles would be non-trivial. However, it would solve the issues noted above. I had seen Divya's announcement, but planned to wait to add the withdrawal until the Hugo statistics are published after the award ceremony. I hadn't worried about the magazine credit, because I'm used to the fact that magazine awards frequently do not reflect the persons nominated due to our software. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:25, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::::: Sorry about the delay; I am still thinking about the issues raised in your comments. There are some similarities with the way we handle REVIEW records. I am also trying to figure out how any future changes may affect the outstanding FRs for series-, publisher- and author-based awards. Lots of implications to consider. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:34, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::::: A few thoughts after sleeping on it:<br />
::::::::::::* Back when title-based award records had separate titles and author names associated with them, it could -- and did -- cause data consistency problems. Let me use a real life example. Suppose an editor creates an award record for a cover by {{A|Mel Odom}} and links it to the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1476319 COVERART record]. A year or two later another editor discovers that Mel Odom the writer and Mel Odom the artist are two different people, then changes the COVERART record to be associated with "Mel Odom (artist)". At that point the COVERART record is associated with "Mel Odom (artist)" while the award record is associated with "Mel Odom". The same thing could -- and did -- happen when editors corrected the spelling of author names and/or titles. Over time it resulted in a significant number of discrepancies.<br />
::::::::::::* Adding support for "titles and title authors as stated in the award nomination" wouldn't automatically address the issue that this discussion started with. What we are dealing with is a title record with two authors and two (effective) nomination records, one "nominated" and the other one "declined", a different scenario.<br />
::::::::::::* From a purely technical perspective, the way award authors were originally captured in the database was very poor. Instead of having a separate table to capture the "one title - many authors" relationship that a properly designed database would have, the award table had a single "award_author" field. If an award was associated with multiple authors, they were all entered in the same field using "+" signs as delimiters. Anyone familiar with database design knows that this is a terrible idea which causes no end of problems. If we were to separate "title authors" and "title authors as stated in the award nomination", we would need to redesign and re-implement this part of the software. It would be doable, but non-trivial given how many different Web pages and internal data structures would be affected. The same table and field(s) are used by "untitled" awards, so they would be affected as well. If we were to add support for "transliterated titles/author names" -- as may be needed to capture non-English awards -- it would make an even bigger project.<br />
::::::::::::* Award committees frequently use different forms of author names, including collective names like "The Brothers Hildebrandt", interchangeably. The first ballot may use one form of the name, the final ballot another and the name on the award document a third one. We'd have to come up with data entry rules for these scenarios.<br />
::::::::::::* Letting title-based awards be linked to multiple title records is an interesting idea. It would require a fair amount of work, but it wouldn't raise the same design issues that adding support for "titles and title authors as stated in the award nomination" would raise.<br />
:::::::::::: That's all I have been able to think of for now. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:06, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::::::I fired up my MySQL instance (from a 2021 backup) and I see some of what you mean. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:08, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::: Although awards-related tables haven't changed since 2021, I would recommend using the latest MySQL backup file to ensure that we are all looking at the same data structures. New tables and fields are added reasonably frequently; I added recognized_domains just a couple of weeks ago. Barring that, [[Database Schema]] should be up to date and display more information than MySQL's "describe" command. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:36, 20 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::::::: I actually recall using the + signs in my very early days of editing here. It does look like is an intermediate table that could be used to link one award to many titles (title_awards). Of course, the software would have to be altered to look at it that way. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:08, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::: I believe you are right about "title_awards": it should be able to support a "one award - many titles" relationship as it currently exists. The problem lies in the software, which assumes that there can be only one title record per "title-based award" record. For example, the "Link Award" page tells you to enter "0 to break the link" between the displayed title-based award and its title record. It would have to be changed to be more like the "Make Alternate Name" page, which lets you specify which parent-title relationship to remove. Doable, but it would take time. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:36, 20 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::::::: Despite the sloppiness of some award committees in changing credits and titles, I think we are trying to model a real world object (an award) that naturally has a title and authors. Since they don't necessarily match our data model (for books, etc.) we run into the problems I mentioned earlier as well as the issue that spurred this topic. I do think that having distinct award titles and authors that differ from title record titles and authors would solve this issue. We would still need to have two records in the awards table (1 for the declined nomination and 1 for the nomination). I think maybe if I explain the use case. The award records would include:<br />
:::::::::::::* Record 1 - Title: Escape Pod; Authors: Mur Lafferty, Valerie Valdes, Benjamin C. Kinney... (there are 7 editors, assistant editors, etc listed in the nomination; award level nomination, linked to titles {{T|3137421}} and {{T|3133670}}.<br />
:::::::::::::* Record 2 - Title: Escape Pod; Authors: '''S. B. Divya''', Mur Lafferty, Valerie Valdes, Benjamin C. Kinney... (there are 7 editors, assistant editors, etc listed in the nomination; award level withdrawn nomination declined, linked to titles {{T|3137421}} and {{T|3133670}}. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:08, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::: This is a very interesting example since it raises an issue that I haven't considered before. [https://www.thehugoawards.org/hugo-history/2023-hugo-awards/ This nomination], like a number of other recent nominations, lists a number of people who are -- explicitly -- not editors. The list reads:<br />
::::::::::::::* co-editors Mur Lafferty & Valerie Valdes; Assistant editors Benjamin C. Kinney & Premee Mohamed, host Tina Connolly, producers Summer Brooks and Adam Pracht<br />
:::::::::::::: The question that it raises in my mind is whether this award should be linked to our EDITOR record, which is limited to two co-editors. I am thinking that it's best described as an "editorial team award" and should be entered as an "untitled award" instead. Not only would it, arguably, be a more accurate representation of the relationship between the award record and other ISFDB records, but it would also make the award record appear on {{A|Benjamin C. Kinney}}'s, {{A|Premee Mohamed}}'s, {{A|Tina Connolly}}'s and {{A|Adam Pracht}}'s Award Bibliography pages (Summer Brooks doesn't have an author record in the database.) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:36, 20 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::::::::I would argue that entering magazine awards as untitled awards would not be what most users would expect. The category for the award, semiprozine, is for the all the issues of a magazine for a calendar year. The EDITOR title record (or records) is the only title record that we have for magazines and fanzines. I think folks would expect to see the award in question listed on those title records. This would be especially confusing if we used untitled awards only in cases where the named persons in the award for a given magazine differ from those we list in the author field of EDITOR titles for the year. I think the ''Escape Pod'' nomination is an excellent example of the issues with magazine awards. It has both multiple EDITOR records for the calendar year, and differences between persons listed on the award vs listed in our title records. I do understand that software changes would be required for any of the changes I've proposed, and that we have limited resources for making such changes. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:01, 20 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::Both awards would be displayed in the award pages as is currently done. The software could be altered to display the records in the authors list based on the authors in the award record. Thus, S. B. Divya would show only record 2, whereas Mur Lafferty would show both records 1 & 2. The software would also be altered to display the awards on each linked title record, but the title records would not cause the linked award to propagate its authors' records. <br />
:::::::::::::This approach would solve the problems of not showing the non-declined nomination on Divya's award list. It would also solve the problem of having to have multiple award records in order to link to multiple title records. Lastly, this would also allow us to include authors (assistant editors, podcast hosts) that are in the official nomination, but who we don't credit in our title records. The one wrinkle I thought of after my original post, was that we potentially have variant titles or variant author names that do not exist in our database. One solution to that would be to allow the creation of titles and authors that only appear because of an award. Variants would roll up to the canonical records as they currently do.<br />
:::::::::::::Regarding the sub-optimal author arrangement in the awards table. I agree that it should be changed, but I don't see that it would be necessary in order to allow the author name on the award to be editable, and to allow it to differ from that of the linked title. After all, it worked that way a few years ago, until editing those fields on the award record was locked down.<br />
:::::::::::::Agreed that we would have to come up with rules as to what the authoritative source is for award recipients and titles. This is currently an issue. I try to match the award to the title that matches the title and name announced for the award rather than linking them to our canonical title record. They roll up anyway. <br />
:::::::::::::I think this approach solves a number of problems. If others agree, it still sounds like the required changes would be extensive and non trivial. Perhaps there are incremental changes that could be made to move us forward. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:08, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::: @Ahasuerus re your final 2 paras. Fair point: I'll try to put something together to post over the next 2 days, although given that researching the Chengdu/Hugo stuff seems to turn up a new weird-and-wonderful thing every day (not all necessarily relevant to ISFDB), I'm not sure it might take a bit longer. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:31, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::::::: Apologies for not coming back on this; I've been preoccupied with other things the last few days. Re. some of the points raised, I know that there was a lot of work done to get the records changed; my concern is that a lot of ill will seemed to be generated due to initial stonewalling (or at least, the perception of it) by pointing to the existing Rules & Standards as a reason not to make those changes. I'll try to get a proposal posted by Sunday at the latest. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 12:52, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::::: No problem. Re: the "perception of stonewalling", I suspect that it's related to the previously mentioned gap between what new contributors know about the data entry rules and what moderators know about them. When a moderator says "This isn't how we enter bibliographic data", it's based on multiple layers of understanding of what the rules say and why they say what they say. In the case mentioned above, once the rules and the reasoning behind them were explained in detail, Lee Mandelo realized that we were missing a significant amount of relevant information and provided it in a follow-up comment. It clarified the situation, at which point we were able to clean up and reorganize the data quickly.<br />
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:::::::::::: Based on that discussion we added [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#How_does_the_ISFDB_deal_with_author_name_changes.3F a new entry] to the ISFDB FAQ, but it's relatively short. Perhaps we should create a new Help page or template explaining that we make a distinction between legal names, socially used names and professionally used "working names" and the reasons why the data entry rules are the way they are. Basically a summary of what I wrote in response to Lee Mandelo's original post. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:53, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::::::: Sorry for making an already complicated item even more messed up, but I only just noticed Rtrace's comment from a week ago: "I had seen Divya's announcement, but planned to wait to add the withdrawal until the Hugo statistics are published after the award ceremony. I hadn't worried about the magazine credit, because I'm used to the fact that magazine awards frequently do not reflect the persons nominated due to our software." It definitely crossed my mind about whether I was jumping the gun on making those edits based on what an author said, as opposed to what the award body had publicly stated. If it had just been a regular single author record that had been declined, I wouldn't have changed anything; it was the magazine credit that concerned me. Given that was backed up by the author's statement, which mentioned both nominations, I made the (debatable, I'm more than happy to concede) decision to address both of them. Next time something like this comes up, I'll raise it here rather than making pre-emptive edits. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:19, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::::::::::No worries, I'm just a little hesitant since the notice of declination didn't come from the official source. I suspect there are other declined nominations that we don't know about. They all should be reported in the official nomination statistics that are released after the ceremony. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:08, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Contacting Kenneth R. Johnson ==<br />
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Can anyone tell me how? I found some vintage SF pornos that he should know about, and add to his bibliography, if he ever revises it. Thanks for any help. —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 14:34, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Never mind. Phil S-P helped me get in touch with him. —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 02:28, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Poem/Story ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5703635; If anyone's interested, I think it's a story, mod disagrees, hardly matters because it seems to be some squib from a much earlier play or something so if the link isn't added it wouldn't be much of a loss. I made a more helpful edit adding the Encyclopedia.com link I mentioned and also the archived jmichaelyates.com site, which goes back many years, because his site currently online is weird with many links going to an error page but other pages working just fine. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:36, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:[[User:Username|Username]] omitted one piece of important information. {{Locus}} lists this as a poem in their entry for {{P|34858|Tesseracts 8}} which contains the item. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:02, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yeah. Also, the Encyclopedia.com mention is in the discussion with mod on my user page, not in the rejection above. Just to clarify. A reply from anyone would be helpful so I can leave this minor edit behind; I've got 1,000 others waiting to be approved. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:27, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: The work is short fiction not poetry. I've added an internet archive link onto the author's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?116209 Summary Bibliography]. Open the site and select the short fiction tab. Open the drop down list on your left and you will see the story. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:33, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Yay. Also, RTrace, while I'm here I noticed you added some Star Trek slash fiction, Companion, and the cover artist is Gayle F. but it's signed Feyrer, who is on ISFDB as the cover artist for a later non-Trek magazine, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=gayle+f&type=Name. Whose name do you consider the parent so I can make a variant? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:40, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::OK, thanks John for finding that. I've approved the submission.<br />
:::::Regarding Gayle F./Gayle Feyrer, [https://fanlore.org/wiki/Gayle_F Fanlore] lists her as "Gayle F" which I suspect is how she is most frequently credited. It also appears that she also uses the pseudonym "Sylvia Knight", though we have no titles using that byline. In any case, I'd go with "Gayle F." as canonical. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:06, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::Feyrer has been made a variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:06, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Malcolm for President ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5704973 this submission] to update {{T|24965|this title}}. There is an Amazon review asserting that this is an original story, though based on characters from the television series, which would seem to make the novelization flag invalid. However, I'm not certain that this title is eligible at all. From skimming reviews, I don't detect anything speculative about the novel. I also would question whether the authors {{A|Dan Danko}} and {{A|Tom Mason}} are above the threshold. If we determine that they are, I think the title should be marked as non-genre. What are other folks' opinions on whether this title should be deleted? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:04, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I don't see anything genre or even genre-adjacent in the novel either. Nor I see a reason for the authors to be considered above threshold. So I vote to delete the book altogether. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:48, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Hearing nobody coming to this title's defense. I will zap it. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:43, 19 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Fright Night Covers ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?289979; [https://web.archive.org/web/20071008121652im_/http://www.craigspector.com/frightnight.cover.jpg]; So I have been doing some Skipp & Spector edits, the splatterpunk co-authors who were so popular back in the 80s and 90s, and I discovered that Craig Spector's homepage URL now links to some foreign (Vietnamese?) site so I replaced it with the archived version which goes all the way back to 2005. While looking through the site I found that cover linked above; the Tor edition on ISFDB shows the villain of the movie, the head vampire played by Chris Sarandon, but the cover on Spector's site shows a totally different cover with one of the villain's minions, the girlfriend of the movie's teenage hero, played by Amanda Bearse, who would become famous a few years later for playing Al Bundy's neighbor Marcy on Married With Children. So was it re-released with a different cover? Is it an early mock-up that was changed before release? I'd like to know if anyone knows. It could have been worse; they could have used another one of the villain's minions, the hero's friend Evil Ed, on the cover, played by Stephen Geoffreys, who gave up mainstream acting in the early 90s and pursued a career in hardcore gay porn. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:13, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Doubleday First Edition ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?266014; https://archive.org/search?query=clickwhistle; https://www.ebay.com/itm/153845632156; I replaced cover image with another Amazon one with a different URL that looks exactly the same but is much bigger. I wanted to add the Archive.org link but over time I've come to realize that a lot of Doubleday (and probably many other publishers) books I and others here have linked to may not have been the true first edition because, as can be seen in the links above, the 1 useful copy on eBay shows the copyright page with "First Edition" while the archived copy does not say that. So is there a way to tell which edition it is? Gutter codes or something? EDIT: Also this, https://archive.org/search?query=watkins+the-god-machine. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:58, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zebra ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?52948; I'm trying to get this page down to zero. What I've done today is add Kensington Publishing to publisher for 1987 edition of Time-Kissed Destiny because that's what it says on title page (also added author's note on last page); first edition of Once In a Lifetime already has Kensington in it on ISFDB. So ElectricStarboard, who entered the later editions of those 2 novels, may want to chime in with whether they have Kensington on their title pages so it can be added. That Warren Smith book is 70s "non-fiction" junk about space pyramids and should be deleted. I asked NihonJoe about whether his PV copy of Book of Space says Kensington and he put my edit on hold a long time ago but never responded so I cancelled it; if he reads this maybe he can say now what it says on title page. Dracula's Guest, which I just made an edit for fixing the cover artist (turns out it's not Greg Theakston but rather the mysterious FMA, who has about a dozen ISFDB credits), has 1 copy on eBay with photos but doesn't show title page. As far as Death Screen, I don't know, can't find it anywhere. So after my Time-Kissed edit is approved and Book of Space has Kensington added, I hope, and the pyramid book is deleted, that will just leave 4 books. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:51, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Joe just fixed Book of Space; only a few more to go. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:31, 26 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Geller the Artist ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=geller&type=Name; M. Geller is almost certainly Martin Geller because they did covers for a single St. Martin's Press book each, one in '78 and one in '79. However, the credit for Infinite Dreams by Martin says design, not art, so probably shouldn't have any credit except in notes. So should it be moved to notes and M.'s legal name be made Martin (this is assuming, of course, that M.'s credit really says art in the book like it says in the PV's notes)? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 02:14, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mary Shelley Award for Outstanding Fiction ==<br />
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I'd like to add this award to the ISFDB data base -- here is a list of past recipients https://media-ecology.org/Past-Awards (scroll down for Mary Shelley Award) [[User:PaulLev|PaulLev]] ([[User talk:PaulLev|talk]]) 20:27, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I am not familiar with Media Ecology Association, but their [https://media-ecology.org/board Executive Board] and the list of present/past officers include a number of scholars at accredited universities, so it appears to be legitimate. [https://media-ecology.org/Past-Awards Award recipients] include {{A|Ted Chiang}}, {{A|William Gibson}} and {{A|Ernest Cline}}. Curiously, they are associated with [https://media-ecology.org/affiliations The Institute of General Semantics] which was founded by Alfred Korzybski, who influenced a number of SF authors like van Vogt and Heinlein back in the day. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:23, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: I'm not sure a win for Ready Player One does much for their credibility /s {{unsigned|ErsatzCulture}}<br />
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::: I realize that it's a joke, but let me clarify for the benefit of new editors. We determine whether an award is legitimate based on what kind of organization administers it and for what purpose. Awards given by publishers or promotional/advertising companies to promote their clients' books and stories are generally not considered "real" awards for our purposes and are not included. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:07, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: Sorry - more than happy for that cheap gag to be removed/struckthrough/whatever, if you think that would be best. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 13:40, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: No worries, it created an opportunity to clarify our eligibility criteria. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:09, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: But seriously, this looks like a good addition to my eyes. I have a couple of questions relating to practicalities, which maybe PaulLev knows the answer to:<br />
:: * What exactly is the eligibility period? [https://media-ecology.org/Call-for-Nominations This page asking for 2024 nominations] says "Open to novels, short stories, hypertexts, plays, scripts, comics, audio recordings, motion pictures, videos, and other narrative forms, published or released in 2019 or later...", so is it a rolling 5-year period? (TBH, if that's the case, that's pretty cool - one of my problems with awards is that they're all seemingly based on the past 12 months, which privileges stuff that has a lot of hype and frontloaded readership.)<br />
:: * Besides that list of recipients, is there any sort of press release that has more details about the winners? I know when I've added stuff like this year's Locus finalists, when you get down to some of the more obscure categories where nominees weren't already in the database, tracking them down, working out if their pubs are eligible for inclusion here, etc can require a fair bit of legwork. If there's some info about the winners published, that would help in reducing that burden.<br />
:: * I looked up 2017's winner on [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Surveys-Novel-Semiotext-Native-Agents/dp/1584351780/ Amazon UK], and it doesn't appear to have any speculative element. For such works, I guess doing an "untitled award", with a note saying it's not speculative, is the way to go? (Again, any PR that describes the winning work will be helpful in determining the speculative-ness.) For awards like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_category.cgi?860+1 Goodreads Choice Mystery & Thriller category], we only add the speculative works, but given there's just a single winner here, maybe having an untitled entry will make it clearer?<br />
:: {{unsigned|ErsatzCulture}}<br />
::: Good questions! 1. Yes, the eligibility period is a rolling 5-years. 2. This announcement is put up on the Internet every year https://media-ecology.org/2023-MEA-Awards 3. The only criterion is "fiction" -- so, yes, in principle, there could be an award given to a work that is fiction, but not speculative fiction. But as far as I can tell, that happens very rarely. Also, the award is not given every year. [[User:PaulLev|PaulLev]] ([[User talk:PaulLev|talk]]) 13:10, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Hearing no objection, I have created an Award Type record and entered these awards for the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_category.cgi?1071+1 SF titles that we have on file]. I didn't create "untitled" award records for non-genre titles. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:55, 23 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Thanks! [[User:PaulLev|PaulLev]] ([[User talk:PaulLev|talk]]) 23:25, 24 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cordwainer Smith Rediscovery Award ==<br />
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Rich Horton [https://rrhorton.blogspot.com/2023/07/cordwainer-smith-rediscovery-award-for.html posted] about this year's winner, and I went to add them, only to find this award doesn't currently exist in the database. TBH it's one that I only had vague awareness of, but it does have [http://www.sfadb.com/Cordwainer_Smith_Rediscovery_Award SFADB] and [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/cordwainer_smith_rediscovery_award SFE] pages, and has been going for just over 20 years.<br />
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In essence, it's a single category award, just a winner, no nominees or finalists, and is to an author who the judges felt does/did not get as much attention as they deserved. Most of the past winners are names that I recognize, even if I think I've only read half-a-dozen or so of them. (Possibly the sort of scenario that the award was set up to address?)<br />
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[http://www.cordwainersmith.com/award.htm The award's site] lists who has been on the judging panel; again they're people I recognize and who are respected in the field. (Although it looks like that page hasn't been updated for a decade?) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 03:57, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I thought we already had an Award Type for this fairly well-known award, but apparently not. Must have been an oversight. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:51, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: I must confess all the less-well known awards named after people who were active years ago blur into one in my mind - the non-Astounding Campbell, Crawford, Crook, Wellman, this one - blur into one in my mind.<br />
:: If and when this gets set up, I'll add all the winners - should be pretty straightforward compared to the likes of Hugo and Locus. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 11:04, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Since this is a no-brainer, I have created an [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?109 Award Type record] for it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:16, 19 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: Thanks - unless someone else beats me to it, I'll probably add all the winners on Saturday. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 12:01, 19 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::: A day later than I'd promised, but these are all in now. Thanks again for adding it. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:02, 23 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:27, 23 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Alex Gordon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?6359; The essays are by this person, https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0329966/, but they may not be eligible since he usually wrote about old movies in his long-running column for Fangoria. If they are eligible, some variant is needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:43, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Watson Bon-Bon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=de+bon-bon&type=All+Titles; Copy of BBR #11 just uploaded, I made an edit adding link and adding/fixing other stuff, this Watson work was in French originally and reprinted in English in this zine, never collected, but as can be seen capitalization, subtitle, and whether it's fiction or essay are issues. So it's for someone else to decide what's best re: those things. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:20, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Fake Ring ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=ring00pier&sort=-addeddate; While adding links to 2 copies of Piers Anthony's 1968 Ace edition of The Ring I found a 3rd copy on Open Library but it's actually a completely different thing, a sampler of some T. A. Barron books, in case anyone thinks that's worth entering. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:30, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Canonical name change Willard E. Hawkins from Willard Hawkins ==<br />
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Any objections to making [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?13700 Willard E. Hawkins] the canonical name and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?13701 Willard Hawkins] the alternate? <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] ([[User talk:Scifibones|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Scifibones|contribs]]) .</small> 05:38, 19 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: No objections here. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:09, 19 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Hearing no objections, the relationship has been reversed. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:00, 25 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Chiller ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?961199; Someone named Aardvark entered this recently. I knew I'd seen that cover art before on one of Karl Edward Wagner's horror anthologies and I had, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1435921. So it apparently originated here, not the French book. Also, I saw on OL that Chiller is "based on" a 1972 novel by Sale, The Love Bite, whatever that means. Maybe that one belongs here, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:16, 19 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cover Artist: Ampersand Book Covers ==<br />
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We currently have a cover artist named [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?306339 Ampersand Book Covers]. I just found the website for that artist and was going to add it to the existing Author record but noticed that the [http://www.ampersandbookcovers.com/ website] shows the name as "Ampersand Book Cover Design". So far the only titles that are credited to this artist use "Ampersand Book Covers" as per the statements on their copyright pages. I have several new titles that are by this artist (not credited but definitely by this artist per the website portfolio page) and wonder if I should just use the existing artist after adding the website data and a note about the full name to the existing artist record or if I should use the full name from the website and make it a variant of the existing artist record. Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:20, 19 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I would credit 'Ampersand Book Covers' and a note in the canonical record. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:54, 20 July 2023 (EDT).<br />
: P.S. The pub still gets a note stating that the artist is uncredited. I 'm aware you know this already, but less experienced editors might be following this thread. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:39, 20 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Will do. Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:31, 20 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Green Knight ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15963; Philfreund, Chavey, GlennMcG, letting you all know LCCN isn't on their site, should be removed and put in notes section. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:04, 19 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The LOC site isn't always reliable for older LCCNs. It's likely still valid, just difficult to find. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:05, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Swedish Vampires ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5720694; After approval I'm sure those who are fluent in the language can improve upon my edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:52, 20 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Hound of Frankenstein ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?284512; I'm not sure why I added that ponderous link re: the prices in the note a long time ago because the back cover is on FantLab, but anyway, while adding a link today to FantLab and replacing cover with theirs I noticed there's no "The" on title page but there is in the first Mammoth Book of Frankenstein edition which I checked via the archived link. So if anyone can verify there's a "The" in all editions of that anthology then the story title should be separated and made a variant of the original title. Also, someone added full date to chapbook from Amazon UK but I don't know if anyone trusts them enough to add it to the story itself. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:08, 20 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== George Wells ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?24739; I've been doing a lot of edits for old Arthur Stockwell books (there's a huge gap between the last older book and the recent ones) and came upon George Wells. As someone wrote, there may be more than one; I suspect it's 4 different guys since it's not likely a very obscure British author would write an article for an American pulp zine 25 years later and it's also not likely that the author of a cheap paperback horror novel would write a couple of stories for a semi-literary anthology series more than 20 years later. Also, cover of Taurus on Amazon has $2.95 on the cover so either the price on ISFDB, $2.50, is wrong or there's at least one reprint. EDIT: 1 copy of Taurus on eBay, it's Canadian thus the higher $2.95 price, like DAW Books in the 1980s Signet Canadian editions start number line with 2, glad someone wrote a note about that in another 1982 Canadian Signet book on ISFDB otherwise I would have entered it as a second printing. Should be approved soon; hopefully someone will upload a copy of this book to Archive.org someday. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:56, 20 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I noticed this morning that another editor has separated old novel & article, '82 horror novel, and recent short stories into 3 separate Wells. While looking into this I discovered there's a George O. Wells but searching for his story title inside Archive.org I discovered it's George R. Wells, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5721607, so that's a bonus. There's also a G. A. Wells that wrote a story for a 1923 issue of Weird Tales the same year that a George Wells wrote the novel from Stockwell so could that be the same person? A lot of Brits wrote stories for that zine. EDIT: Jeez, it turns out the other entry in that zine with George R. Wells is wrong, too, it's Inside of a Piece of Sugar. There's nearly 100 issues of Science and Invention on ISFDB and I doubt I came across the 1 issue with wrong names/titles so a thorough check is probably needed. EDIT: Fixed this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3036272, quotes around Loaded. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:13, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Raw Brunettes ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1256247; Wild Women pub. history, searched on Google Books, says "first two sections" so that one should have (excerpt) after it and be separated from its full appearance in the Wordcraft book. I've been doing a lot of Wordcraft edits and their Speculative Writers series numbering is a mess, whether their fault or editors here I'm not sure, so that will probably need some discussion later on. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:19, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Paksenarrion World Chronicles ==<br />
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With the publication (and entry) of Elizabeth Moon's new collection [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3209577 Deeds of Youth], I have created a new series named [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?70445 Paksenarrion World Chronicles]. Would there be any objection to placing the older collection [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1856054 Deeds of Honor] in it as number 1? I'd also like to remove the series name in the title and the cover artist (who's actually credited as the cover designer) from [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?520995 this publication] which was sole PVed by the late Biomassbob. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:32, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:That would be fine. Please move the cover designer to the pub notes vs. completely removing. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:38, 23 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wrong Author and Their Variant ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5722391; I was going through Eerie, Indiana book series, got through first 4 before #5 only had a 3rd printing on Archive.org and I lost interest, but all of them (and I suspect the others, too) have a lot of missing/wrong info. Only 1 of the 4 was PV (O'Fearna) but 1 of the non-PV had a co-author who didn't co-write it. So now that I removed Mike Ford will the record for the book with his other name, Michael Thomas Ford, go away or does it have to be deleted or something? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:12, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The proper way to deal with the parent is with a merge. I took care of it for you. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:36, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bond, Stephen Bond ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5722846; Only 5 issues, none PV, all on Archive.org, figured I'd add links and a few minor things and that would be it, but of course I ran into trouble with the first issue (by the way, is the page count I entered correct?) because the Flying Saucer essay is by Stephen Lloyd, not Stephen Bond, but it is by Bond in the Fantastic Universe issue it originally appeared in. There's also the fact that a 2022 novel by a Stephen Lloyd was recently entered here so there goes that name. What would you like to be done? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:28, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I accepted the edit. Yes, that page count was correct - for magazines we include the covers in the page count. As for the essay, I will unmerge it, credit it to a Stephen Lloyd (I), variant to the original, and create a new alternate name. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:33, 23 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::3rd issue had alternate title of Kapp's story so I imported that and deleted the wrong title. This, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?327861, has no alternate title but checking UK New Worlds on Luminist.org it's "The High Road" but it's "High Road" in US issue. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?44455; it's "Waiting Grounds" in US issue, a title that apparently is not used anywhere else. EDIT: #5 seems OK so I think I'm done. I currently have 7 New Worlds edits plus 1 changing alternate title date of Kapp's story to match where it first appeared (more than 50 years earlier). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:30, 23 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Chaos Weapon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?9236; I added Archive.org link to 1977 US PB in PENDING edit, as note says it's DiFate on copyright page, no space, but credit here is for Di Fate. Correct name was entered here for the 2 1984 editions so 2 1977 editions (and French edition) should probably be the same; DiFate has dozens of credits here already. I count half-a-dozen active PV of this edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:18, 23 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== PSP ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5722877; Is there any word on whether Phil Stephensen-Payne is going to update to https? Because there are tens of thousands of images on ISFDB from his various sites. It's not exactly true that they don't display here, they do if you right-click and choose "Open image in new tab", but still. I just added an edit to his page here adding a link to a search engine at pulpflakes.com, chose Braunbeck at random and search engine immediately opened a new tab with the philsp.com record for Gary Braunbeck. This search engine IS https; come on, Mr. Payne, do the right thing and update your sites. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:13, 23 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ted Koppel ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?161708; I remember adding to this page a long time ago, photo and possibly bio info, but as I came across the name just now while looking at Phil Stephensen-Payne's record I wonder if the famous newsman is the right Koppel. He was born in England but moved to America long before the 2001 UK edition of this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1275674, where a Ted Koppel was co-author. Could there be a bio in the Harness work? Anyone own a copy? I assume if there is a different SF-related Koppel the 1979 essay in Starship would be by the same guy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:38, 23 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ingalls With Dirty Faces ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5724110; I was doing a whole mess of Rachel Ingalls edits and the very last one gave me trouble; is it just me or does anyone else see the replacement cover with black smudges on it? It doesn't look like the cover does on SFE. Amazon and SFE covers look pretty much the same so no real reason to replace it, anyway, I'd just like to know if I'm seeing things. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:58, 24 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Rage By FMA ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?166329; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?269444; I mentioned this cover artist in my Zebra message above, FMA did covers for paperbacks in the 1970s, today while adding a link to an article about Stephen King's 1977 Richard Bachman novel Rage on the Fox News (!) website I noticed the spine (which isn't shown in the cover on ISFDB) had something that looked like a signature and it turned out it's FMA. I can't find a single mention anywhere online but I find it hard to believe a rank amateur like myself discovered something like this so if anyone can point to somewhere that mentions it I'd appreciate it. In the meantime I've made an edit adding cover artist to Rage; there's also a later British NEL PB on ISFDB with different cover art so maybe someone here can identify that artist, too. Identifying FMA would also be great. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:07, 24 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== German J. Kirby ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?576053; Kirby died in 2001, this book is 2004, could be that the cover is re-used from some earlier English book, anyone recognize it so variant can be made? EDIT: I managed to figure this one out, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5724820, took a bit of looking because German cover here is the size of a postage stamp. I also did this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5724821. There are others which need more looking into, a Piper 7th printing with no cover and a German Good Omens cover which has 3 editions that credit Kirby but none of the English editions credit him (?); on the plus side, I saw an OL-only copy of the Berkley edition of Good Omens so I added a link to that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:54, 25 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:I'm slowly working through the German editions and printings of Pratchett when i get a hand on them and with that Josh Kirby's artwork. I'll merge or variant them, whenever i can. Sometimes not easy, sometimes the german publisher used cutouts, even from english backcovers. <br />
:Here's an example where i couldn't find an english pub with the same picture yet [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5725049 Omnibus "Gevatter Tod/Wachen Wachen"]. So far i only found it on an 2001 Discworld wall calendar, which isn't listed here.<br />
:This might also be the case with the german "Good Omens" covers, maybe it comes from a calendar or portfolio but was never used for an english edition.<br />
:[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5724820 This one] i have, i'd love to contribute a better image, but it's so shiny that scanning isn't possible, even a photo is tricky. Maybe some day when i figured out how to make a useable image. [[User:Welo|Welo]] ([[User talk:Welo|talk]]) 04:17, 26 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== New yellow warning for conflicting submissions ==<br />
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{{FR|1453}}, "New yellow warning for conflicting submissions", has been implemented. Post-submission review pages for Edit Record submissions have been updated to display yellow warnings if the currently displayed submission overlaps/conflicts with another Edit Record submission.<br />
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Please note that the new warning won't be displayed when there is a conflict between an EditPub submission and a related EditTitle submission, at least for now. This is due to performance issues, but it may be possible to address them in the future. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:27, 25 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Out of the Unknown ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?34126; None of the notes in the various editions really mention "Second Edition" on copyright page so someone more familiar with the history maybe can tell me which record this copy, https://archive.org/search?query=%22out+of+the+unknown%22+fantasy, belongs to so I can add a link to it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:59, 25 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== John Gregory ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?START=0&TYPE=Title&USE_1=author_canonical&O_1=exact&TERM_1=John%20Gregory&ORDERBY=title_title&C=AND]; Old pulp story and 70s SF novel aren't by the same John Gregory. Also, I made an edit adding OL ID to the novel and noting the bizarre situation where OL link to Archive.org leads to a Shakespeare book; searching for novel's title displays all of these, [https://archive.org/search?query=legacy-of-the-stars&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22]. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:13, 26 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Parker Poltergeist ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?860463; I was going to add something to the Parker edition's publisher name to differ it from the 40-years-later Parker but really it probably shouldn't be here, being "true" paranormal junk by an author below the threshold whose only relevant credits are some cover art many years later. Ace edition has 2 PV, one gone, one active but transient. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:06, 26 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== "Next Submission" link for self-approvers ==<br />
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Self-approvers now have access to the same "Next Submission" link that moderators have on post-submission review and post-approval pages. The difference is that the self-approvers' version of the "Next Submission" link takes them to the next submission created by themselves. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:19, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Looking for an old story ==<br />
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G'day,<br />
Does anybody know of any sites or forums that could help me find an old short story?<br />
Cheers. {{unsigned|Nailgun Johnny}}<br />
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: We have compiled a list of resources that may help identify stories and novels. It's listed in the [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#I_need_help_finding_a_book FAQ], but it's short enough to re-post it here:<br />
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:*[https://community.abebooks.com/s/forum-topic-results?language=en_US&topicId=0TO3n0000003yS1GAI&type=Community%20Forum Book Sleuth] on AbeBooks<br />
:*[https://www.reddit.com/r/printSF/ printSF] subreddit on Reddit<br />
:*[https://groups.google.com/g/rec.arts.sf.written?pli=1 rec.arts.sf.written] newsgroup<br />
:*[https://www.reddit.com/r/tipofmytongue/ Tip of My Tongue]<br />
:*[https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/185-what-s-the-name-of-that-book What's the Name of That Book???] on Goodreads<br />
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: HTH! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:32, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Or you could just give a description of the story here and let us try to figure it out. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 07:56, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Award display enhancement ==<br />
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Award records which have Notes associated with them now display a mouse-over bubble with the Notes text, e.g. see the "Awards" section of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2859162 this Title bibliography page]. The presence of mouse-over information is indicated by the &#x24d8; character, which is the same character that we use in the "Other Titles" section to indicate the presence of Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:20, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks for picking this up after I dropped the ball somewhat. One bug I just noticed: templates don't seem to be rendered in the bubble.<br />
: e.g. if you go to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ay.cgi?23+2023 this year's Hugos], and scroll down to Best Series, the text is rendered as { { S|Seriesname } }. I've a feeling the rendered link might be impossible for a user to click on - as the bubble disappears if you mouseover it, although maybe keyboard navigation could get to it? - so perhaps if that just rendered as ordinary HTML text, that'd be sufficent? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 10:24, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks for reporting the problem. Oddly enough, the "Other Titles" section renders bubbles correctly even though it uses the same code. Let me poke around... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:14, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: And fixed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:58, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Barzman Twinkle ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?20160; I just added 2 links in a PENDING edit to Archive.org copies of the Book Club edition, 1 from 2010, 1 from just a few weeks ago. Title has no commas on cover seen many places online, two commas on ISFDB, 1 comma on title page. I can only find club copies online so if anyone has/can find non-club copy and it only has 1 comma then all titles, regular, both editions, cover art, can be fixed to just one comma. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:56, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Helen Chen ==<br />
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https://fantlab.ru/art34256; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5727128; Someone familiar with Chinese name standardization can decide whether Mingjue is her legal name and needs to be added or whatever after my edit is approved. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:39, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== French Reeves-Stevens ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5727232; As usual when I make a rare attempt to enter a foreign edition I'm sure some improvements can be made after approval. I'll just mention that NooSFere calls artist Kopik and ISFDB has 4 credits for that name but it also has 1 for Copik so someone who knows can decide on parent and variant, although partial signature starts with C so that seems to be the real name. Also, what does that phrase on the back mean, Maquette Vaporetto? Online check seems to imply it means "steamboat sketch" but that can't be right. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:49, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Greg Reeves ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5727251; I don't think this is by Garfield Reeves-Stevens. Nothing about the opening pages in Amazon Look Inside matches anything in the 2 copies of Dark Matter by Reeves-Stevens on Archive.org. Maybe this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2563054, is really by Reeves-Stevens or maybe not. The novel, however, should be separated into a different author, I think. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:00, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== 'Publications not in a Publication Series' pages updated ==<br />
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As per {{FR|952}}, 'Show covers' and 'Show Last Year First' are now available on all 'Publications not in a Publication Series' pages. Please let me know if you run into any issues with pages like https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?17013 . [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:46, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bonvissuto ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=bonvis&type=Name; I added Goodreads page (with photo) and middle name to Stephanie, added IMDB page (with 1 credit) to Steven A., and made Steve a variant of Steven A., but that S. is a mystery. No info online for the 2 story titles except the usual Locus/Philsp pages, might be Steve(n) or Stephanie, if anyone ever finds out they can make a variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:29, 29 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bebeto ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=bebeto&type=Name; They're both wrong, I think, first record should be Bebeto DarOZ, not Bebeto Dar0Z, and the other one should be the same. Publisher who PV one of them has been gone for years so no use asking; artist has a YouTube channel as Bebeto DarOZ. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:52, 29 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Merlins ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?62818; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5728318; I think that very old Merlin record with missing/wrong info can be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:22, 30 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== New yellow warning when a changed Publication date is before one of the Title dates ==<br />
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Post-submission review pages for Edit Publication submissions have been modified. If an EditPub submission changes the publication's date and the resulting date would be prior to one (or more) of the Title dates in the Contents section, the review page will display a yellow warning with a list of affected titles.<br />
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Please note that, at this time, the warning is only displayed for Edit Publication submissions. NewPubs, AddPubs and ClonePubs are currently not affected. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:50, 31 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I Purposely triggered one, very nice addition. Thanks [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:11, 31 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Glad to hear it's useful!<br />
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:: I believe this wraps up the software changes requested in April-July. Due to a number of reasons -- including the fact that Microsoft plans to stop security patches for Windows 10 in 2025 and the current version of Fixer requires Windows 10 -- I plan to concentrate on migrating Fixer to Linux, Python and MySQL as the next big project. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:27, 2 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Taurus Canada ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5721363; Am I right that like a lot of PB publishers in the 1980s, DAW Books for example, Canadian Signet editions' number lines start with 2? In other words, this is not a second printing and should be un-rejected? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:12, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Warlock of Firetop Mountain ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5730397; Some issues with this. As can be seen on the back cover, the artist is Peter Andrew Jones, not Peter Jones. Also, there's only 2 foreign editions on ISFDB that actually include the 21 numbered pages in the page count. Also, the Archive.org copy (the only FF book on the uploader's page) is messy but I think the first page would be 13-14 and the last would be 99-100 of which one of those last pages is not part of the game book, so 13-99 x 2 would be 174 pages, not 170. So if anyone owns/can get a look at the very first Puffin original edition and it says Peter Andrew Jones that would entail a bit of a nightmare because a lot of the later editions from various publishers would need to be checked to make sure they actually said Peter Jones or if they really say the full name and editors here just imported the original edition's (incorrect) artist name. First edition would also need checking to see if those first 21 pages are numbered and a manual page count would be needed to determine how many unnumbered pages there are. The artist issue arose because whoever entered the name got it from an art book and not the actual book itself, a problem which has led to many names being wrong here, of which I suspect there are many more in the FF series that will need fixing. Fun times ahead; there are hundreds of archived copies of these books. On a side note, I entered a whole bunch of fantasy illustrator photos a while back including Steve Jackson (this one and the other one from the USA who also did FF books and just coincidentally had the same name) but apparently Ian Livingstone escaped me because he has no photo so if anyone can find a good one then they can add it to his record. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:56, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: My recollection is that he was always credited as "Peter Andrew Jones" on these, and I was surprised when I saw that "Peter Jones" was recorded here as his primary name. Fighting Fantasy is pretty well documented, so it shouldn't be hard to verify this - somewhere I have a copy of [https://www.amazon.co.uk/You-Hero-Snowbooks-Fantasy-Histories/dp/1909679364 You Are The Hero] which covers this stuff, in addition to all the online references.<br />
: As for Ian Livingstone, there are loads of photos of him around, as he's pretty high profile in the UK, like [https://www.gamesindustry.biz/what-developers-can-learn-from-last-nights-the-apprentice appearing on our version of The Apprentice]. The [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Livingstone#/media/File:Ian_Livingstone.jpg Wikipedia photo] is CC BY-SA 2.0 licensed, so I assume that can be used if nothing better is found. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:19, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I decided to look at #2 in the series, The Citadel of Chaos, and added a link to a nasty raggedy copy of some Puffin edition which has no way to tell what printing it is because a bunch of pages are missing from the front (I just added link to title record), also added a link to another Puffin printing which some mysterious PV named PortofHamburg added not too long ago but he/she didn't specify the printing history so I made a best guess and added the link to that record, and also corrected page count for recent Scholastic edition from 232 to 236 using a later printing on Archive.org. So if just 2 books have so much to do there are dozens more waiting. Not to mention the umpteen Wizard reprints which I'm not even going to touch, although I may have added a few links to some of them long ago, hard to remember. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:07, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Gentlewomen of Evil ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5730762; Recent copy has a totally different back cover; possible reprint? Copyright page looks the same to me in both copies. Also, recent copy has a penciled-in date on the front flap and, just maybe, the bottom of the price barely visible above it, which contradicts the note someone wrote here which says there's no price in the book; someone else obviously got it from somewhere. So a little mystery here that someone may be able to figure out. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:25, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Night SHADOWS by Mary SELLERS ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?963498; RTrace just entered this, I wasted my time tracking down the ID on BookScans and adding cover image, ISBN, and price, only for the software to tell me the URL was already on file because Rosab618 entered the book back in May but spelled the name wrong, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?949221, which is probably why RTrace couldn't find it and thought it was an unentered book. So I've cancelled my edit; the recent one should probably be deleted, Reginald ID moved over, last name corrected, and ISBN that's on top of the cover should be entered. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:02, 2 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I've essentially merged the two publication records. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:52, 2 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Great. I also replaced Cat's Amazon cover with BookScans cover which is the same except bigger, added Goodreads ID to Bayou (they call her May, not Mary) and uploaded their cover which doesn't seem to be anywhere else, and just added archived link to Gambler, which was uploaded in March. I also learned from Gambler's dedication that she's the wife of Con Sellers so I added husband/wife A| links to both of them. I also see in Con Sellers papers at USM (which mentions he married Mary Raineri in 1943) that they include most of Mary's book titles so maybe he co-wrote them without credit? EDIT: Shouldn't ISBN be added to Night Shadows? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:17, 2 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== No One Goes There Now ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5731000; As can be seen at the Archive.org links the real cover is totally different but no image can be found on Amazon, SFE, OL, FantLab, etc., so if someone wants to upload it from somewhere. Also, author's name is William Walling on title page so variant is wrong. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:52, 2 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Submission approved, author credit corrected and cover image replaced. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:41, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ralph Blum ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1794382; I added Archive.org link to UK HC of Blum's novel; there's no reason for that non-fiction book to be here because author is not "above the threshold" and book is just New Age nonsense about runes, one of many the author has written. So delete and keep the review? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:38, 2 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: If the publication is deleted as ineligible, you must remove this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?965478 REVIEW title] from [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?220685 this publication] and delete it. Then you add an ESSAY type title for the review. For example, 'Review of "The Book of Runes" by Ralph Blum' and the reviewer Paulette Minaré is the author. Often, you will see the reason an essay title is appropriate in the title. Review of the non-genre book, review of the film, etc. I suggest you allow a week for any objections. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:30, 2 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: I have deleted the one publication but do think it's best to keep the title (I've added a note): this way we don't have to undergo the change of the publication with the review. Also, we already have some only titles that way (also for awards). <br />
:: But if you think it's better to emphasize the change, that'd also be okay. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:39, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: [[User:Username|Username]]: Since it has been a week and [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] has deleted the publication, go ahead and submit the four edits I outlined above. I'll approve when I see them.<br />
::: [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]]: We have no policy provision for creating title records for ineligible publications. I'm surprised you would suggest this in a thread where I'm advising the proper treatment. Not only are you misleading this editor, but all the others who monitor the boards. If you think your method has merit, start a discussion on Rules and Standards. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:36, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dating Bentley Little ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?593285; What should title date of Evil Deeds be? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:17, 3 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: If you are referring to this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?577269 title record], the date of its first appearance. 1994-05-00. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:53, 3 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mike Turner disambiguation ==<br />
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I don't "do" SFnal stuff on Facebook, but I do search for mentions of ISFDB every now and again. If there is anyone is active on FB, they might want to follow-up [https://www.facebook.com/groups/642644559492671/posts/1698367847253665/?comment_id=1698375807252869 this comment] that indicates the current Mike Turner record conflates 2 or more people. As a stopgap, I've added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?81225 an author note] to raise awareness of the issue. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:37, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== IA's Worlds of Science Fiction ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5733923; PV is gone, LCCN links up to a couple of other Asimov works on LoC, cover art not credited but likely from some issue of Asimov's magazine, so if anyone knows where it came from or what to do with the LCCN. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:18, 5 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I found https://lccn.loc.gov/81101251. Since the printed LCCN is live, I left it, added this one as a second LCCN ID, and added a note about what we see printed in the archive.org copy and what we find on the LOC site today. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 06:50, 7 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Altered Ego ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5734917; It's been 13 years so nobody's rushing to replace that ragged copy; if anyone here owns it and can upload it to Archive.org so there's a complete copy that would be good, although not strictly necessary because there's an HC edition archived in 2020, too. I see a lot of Pennant copies on eBay so I don't think it's very rare. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:02, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== International Polygonics LCCN ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?180301; I just entered this publisher's edition of William O'Farrell's 1942 novel Repeat Performance and only afterwards saw LCCN on copyright page is not on LoC site; I didn't go back and remove it and add a note about it because going back sometimes erases info. I checked the dozen or so other books by the publisher on ISFDB and 1 LCCN was entered and is on their site, 1 was entered in notes as not being on their site, and the one linked above is not on their site but the previous book in the series, Nine Times Nine, is in an International Polygonics edition but hasn't been entered here (yet). 2 PV, one transient and one who has no messages on their board, so should LCCN be removed and moved to notes? Also, can someone approve my edit so I can remove and move, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:48, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Permabooks Problems ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?8005; I added an Archive.org link to Moon Pilot and noticed while it says it was originally published as Starfire in December ISFDB note gives it the date of the printing, October. Also, https://www.garysvintagebooks.com/product-page/son-of-flubber-by-walt-disney, where date is March with printing in January but ISFDB note has no month and note surmises that it was published in May or June because it comes between 2 other books with surrounding catalog numbers but likely months are wrong because some editors entered the printing date instead of the publication date. There's only 40+ Permabooks on ISFDB so this shouldn't be too hard to sort out. At least 2 active PV of Starfire, Rudam and Willem, so they may want to fix their month if that's the right thing to do. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:32, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Courtney and Triffids ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=triffids+ballantine&sort=-addeddate; Third printing (not on ISFDB) says R. Courtney on copyright page; not credited in Fawcett editions but PV of 1986 Del Rey 1st printing, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?902545, decided to just make the name the canonical name, which is wrong because it's credited as R., so I think it should be changed to R. for all editions and made a variant of Richard. Also, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?356604, where all 3 are based on signatures only (all entered by me last December), so what to do with those? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:53, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ghouls ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5735718; Invalid ISBN which does get a hit on LoC and a few sites online, so a look at that would be good by whoever approves this edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:17, 7 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Tilley ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?4506; Dark Corners was on Archive.org so I added a link and then discovered the title and several story titles/dates were also wrong so I fixed everything, I think; I also imported 4 stories into Something Else because even though someone wrote a note about titles being on WorldCat they only imported a few of them. Now here's the problem: "Medical Practice" is listed as the only new story but there's another one, "Attack of the Hiccups", which is not on ISFDB or anywhere else I can find. So if someone knows/owns/can find out that would help to complete the contents. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:55, 7 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Tarth? ==<br />
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https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/dail_c_c; Just a little something I came across that someone here with connections to SFE may be able to get fixed. The last word in the title on the cover has a trailing bottom line and a middle thing that is not on the A's in "Savage" so it does say "Earth" on the cover, just printed in a fancy way. Note about "Tarth" should be changed to "Earth". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:09, 8 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:You can send feedback [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/contact.php using this form]. They're pretty responsive. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:45, 8 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Done. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:26, 8 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Wow, John Clute ("An interesting and informative exchange. The cover script is certainly eccentric, but the standard typeface announcing Chapter 22 carries the day") and David Langford ("Thanks for this suggestion. It's an interesting theory but I'm not convinced. The flourishes belong to the A in Tarth and the first letter is thus surely a T. This is confirmed in the book's text, where chapter XXII is titled in clear capitals THE SAVAGE TARTHS -- MAN'S PROGENITORS") responded in an e-mail. I see their point; Tarths are a race of beings in the book. Oh well. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:43, 14 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== W. P. Maynard ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2449000; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1133886; Different titles, different names, in case anyone can verify anything and merge or variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:56, 8 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: It's sorted out now. Good find, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:33, 8 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dredd ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?4530; I added Archive.org links to both editions, copyright page of USA says UK came first but ISFDB has UK as second, also UK cover is actually same image as USA except with Boxtree on it, so if anyone knows where that yellow UK cover really belongs or what the real dates of the editions are let us know so they can be fixed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:34, 10 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Canadian Sheep Look Up ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5738856; Before I leave a message to PV of this edition here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30229, asking him to fix publisher and add month from their note, whose price is right? If it's printed in Canada then Canadian price should be correct, right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:48, 11 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Angels Inc. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5739007; The only photos of the actual print book I can find are on a horrible Amazon page with the smallest (100x100) photos possible; https://www.amazon.com/N-G-L-S-Robert-Author-Bliss/dp/0072298235. If anyone can find some site with properly-sized photos then the cover can be uploaded. I'm wondering why McGraw-Hill didn't publish any genre books between 1990 and 1998 according to ISFDB and then published a weirdly priced paperback like this; another odd thing is that of the 120 other books by them on ISFDB there's only one other PB, a David Hartwell anthology, but other books with the same price are classed as TP, so that might need to be changed to TP, too, and also possibly this Bliss book. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:35, 11 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Boak ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=boak&type=Name; I entered an artist named Kathy Boake for some kiddie books and while doing so noticed that these people, A. Graham Boak/Graham Boak/Gray Boak, are one and the same. So if anyone can decide what the parent name should be those can all be linked together. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:29, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== ISFDB server downtime 2023-08-12 6pm ==<br />
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The ISFDB server will be briefly unavailable due to maintenance starting at 6pm server (Eastern Daylight) time. It should be back up after 5-10 minutes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:12, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The server was back up at 6:12pm. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:18, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Brunner and Stuff ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?121; After adding many, many links to John Brunner books over the last few days I was finishing up when I noticed that there are 2 items on his page listed as anthologies that are just 2-novel doubles like the hundred or so other ones listed as omnibus. As can be seen at the link above, some of those Belmont Doubles are anthology, some omnibus, and some collection. So should those 2 Brunner anthologies be changed to omnibus and what should be the standard for the Belmonts? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:30, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:See [[:Template:PublicationFields:PubType]] for all the details, but for the cases at your link:<br />
:*Multiple short fiction by same author = collection<br />
:*Multiple short fiction by different authors = anthology<br />
:*Multiple novels = omnibus<br />
:The Brunner entries ({{T|683465|Father of Lies / Mirror Image}} & {{T|358551|The Evil That Men Do / The Purloined Planet}}) both consist of two novellas by different authors and so are correctly entered as anthologies. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:58, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Request for messages from international fans by a Chinese Hugo finalist - any interest in an ISFDB contribution? ==<br />
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This came up on [https://twitter.com/xuetingni/status/1690044002404380680 Twitter] a couple of days ago - the Chinese fan who uses the handle [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?366178 RiverFlow/河流] is planning an issue of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?70342 his fanzine Zero-G SF] which will have hand-written messages from fans around the world. There are some examples of what they've already received at the bottom of [https://www.gcores.com/articles/169458 this Chinese language webpage].<br />
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I don't participate in any sort of offline or real-world fandom, but I wondered if there'd be interest in some sort of ISFDB contribution? I was thinking of maybe a general "Hello from ISFDB" message - precise wording to be worked here on Community Portal - with some sort of collage/grid of short handwritten individual messages from ISFDB contributors. For the latter, I was thinking maybe stuff that might fit on a square-shaped Post It note e.g.:<br />
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* Your username at ISFDB<br />
* Your location(s) - city, state, country as appropriate, basically the sort of thing that gets put in author birthplace entries<br />
* Date you signed it<br />
* Possibly a short personalized message<br />
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I don't think this would be worth doing unless we have at least half-a-dozen individual contributions, preferably a dozen or more. Any interest? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 09:39, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The Twitter post says:<br />
:* If you want to send a signed, dated handwritten note in any language from anywhere in the world (but espclly Europe), wishing them well and supporting the project, email me at [snip]<br />
: I am not sure what the "project" in question is, but the ISFDB -- as an organization/project -- generally does not endorse or support other projects. We can and do ''link'' to other sites, from Wikipedia to SFE, but that doesn't mean that we support them as institutions.<br />
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: Of course, ISFDB editors -- individually or in groups -- are free to contribute to and/or support any projects they want as long as they do it as individuals.<br />
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: Based on the above, I would change "Hello from ISFDB" to "Hello from the following ISFDB editors". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:32, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Sorry for overstepping the mark. If anyone's interested in contributing to this, maybe a better venue is to email me at {anythingyoulike}@ersatzculture.com, and discuss it further there. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:09, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: No worries! The Community Portal is the best place to post announcements and it's entirely possible that some editors may want to write one or more postcards. It's all good. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:08, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ché Monro ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?367447; My old edit fixing name was finally approved and then I discovered there's 2 other records for this author, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?210757 and https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?365512, which have the same story, published within a month of each other by the same publisher, but the first name has the accent in a different place and has the ISFDB "question mark" thing after it. So 3 names, 1 story each, parent needs deciding and that 2012 story needs merging. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:47, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Sorted out. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:46, 19 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Gordon Browne ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?14029; Story likely by another guy; this page, https://www.blackgate.com/2015/11/07/fantastic-january-1962-a-retro-review/, slags off our site about it, so maybe a (I) or something should be added to author's name. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:13, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Separated out. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:48, 19 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mr. Wright ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?231886; Non-fiction should probably be by Allan Wright; Alan was an old-time illustrator. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:16, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Separated them out. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:36, 19 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Turkish Blatty ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=seytan+blatty; A Turkish (!) edition of The Exorcist got uploaded recently in case anyone fluent wants to enter it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:01, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pulphouse Dates ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?60072; Date for Landis and Frazier stories, both included in September 1991's The Best of Pulphouse, is 1991 and they are called reprints but the only entry for Issue Twelve on ISFDB is dated 1993. William F. Wu's bibliography, https://www.williamfwu.com/complete-list-of-short-fiction, has a confusing double listing for Issue Twelve, one in 1991 edited by K.K. Rusch and the other in 1993 edited by D.W. Smith, but ISFDB has them both as 1993 in Issue Twelve edited by K.K. Rusch. So I think all the original stories in Issue Twelve should really be dated 1991 unless there's something odd that I don't see. On a side note, a site named Anna's Archive uploaded several issues (#2-10 + Buried Treasures) of Pulphouse: The Hardback Magazine as PDF's. Authorized or not, they are there for research purposes in case anyone needs them; getting a real print copy of any of them is next to impossible because they were limited editions and most were bought up by collectors, so not exactly something you can find at your local library. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:51, 14 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jane Wagner(s) ? ==<br />
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I do assume that there are two different Jane Wagners' works listed under [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?185286], some by the dramaturgist & script writer, the others by a fan. Would anybody know that the two are in fact one and the same person (else, it'd be better to separate the two)? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:27, 15 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Living Dead Head ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5742916; A foreign-language book I came across, as usual fluent people can probably improve after approval. One of the links I provided includes contents page in case anyone can decipher the small story titles and enter them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:49, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Far Out ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5743690; I was going to delete the intro because it's not in the archived copy but then I noticed that the first story starts on p. 13 but there are much fewer than 12 pages preceding it so I have a suspicion that it fell out/got ripped out from this ragged ex-library copy. So if anyone owns this edition (I was surprised page numbers for stories weren't entered and even year was wrong; I assumed most of these old SF books were pretty much taken care of long ago) they can verify if intro is there and delete if it's not. I'm not sure what the "5+" in the page count was about so I removed it. No cover images in any usable places so if anyone wants to upload one they can do so although it's just the standard boring yellow Gollancz cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:22, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Smallcreep's Day ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?955909; [https://pictures.abebooks.com/inventory/22813368225_3.jpg]; Panther edition archived so I entered link and other stuff, says Peter C. on cover and title page, original Gollancz HC says Peter C. on cover but full name on title page as can be seen in photo linked above, so I'm mentioning this here because I can never remember if changing a name in one edition has a ripple effect; author's page has some info on it that might be erased (or not). Panther needs to be made a variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:03, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Publication edit accepted, Panther edition unmerged from other, and new title varianted to old. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:02, 19 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== DF Lewis ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?1187; I've been adding links to some of this dude's hundreds of stories (and there are many more in obscure genre or non-genre publications that aren't on this site) since I've always wondered how someone whose writing was so incomprehensible and sometimes downright terrible managed to get published in so many places. It goes all the way back to when I would look forward each year to the new edition of Karl Edward Wagner's Year's Best Horror Stories which sadly ended 30 years ago. He included some Lewis tales and it always annoyed me because I knew he could have picked another story that was far better (and more horrific) but he seemed to have a touch of elitism where he would include pretentious and often barely-horror stories in each edition just to show his street cred, I guess. Anyway, many of the links I've been adding mention zines that are genre but not entered here; one that came up recently was End of the Millennium which featured Lewis in several issues. The story I added a link for was in #11 from 1999, which seems logical considering the title of the zine, but I (and the mod who initially rejected my edit) couldn't find any mention of it anywhere online except on Lewis-related sites. So if anyone can find verifiable info on any issues that would be good to enter. Take a look at this, https://nullimmortalis.wordpress.com/2010/08/20/dfl-partial-bibliography/, and marvel at all those obscure publications. It's a gold mine. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:09, 17 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I've entered many more story links recently but I thought I'd mention that when adding a link to "Dabbling With Diabelli" found at one of the author's dozens (literally) of websites I searched for a random line of the story's text on Google since that sometimes helps in finding stories online if the title is misspelled and only got one hit, https://books.google.com/books?id=4VVSsLbba9kC, so this guy actually got one of his fictions into a book of true-life tales! Unbelievable. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:39, 17 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Schwalme ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=schwalm&type=Name; These 2 Germans are probably the same person; whether one is spelled wrong originally and needs to be a variant or whether it's entered wrong here and needs fixing and merging is the question. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:59, 17 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Good find! This is in fact documented with the entry at DNB. I'll do the necessary pseudonyming. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:07, 19 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Another Dracula ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=another+dracula&type=All+Titles; 1930 publication of this title says it only appeared as a serial but there it is in one of the million Peter Haining anthologies in 1982 (with no question mark). Sadly, it's a William Kimber book, rare they are, so no archived copies. Richard Dalby site's copy doesn't help with any info that's not already here so if anyone owns it maybe they can say what the title is/if it's the full serial so it can be a variant or a merge. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:30, 18 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Feast of Laughter ==<br />
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https://www.feastoflaughter.org/; I have 4 PENDING edits replacing Google Drive links to issues 1-4 with the ones currently online but #5 apparently was never entered here. Differences between print and e. Mentioning this in case anyone feels like entering it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:38, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Yoh-Vombis ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace#Yoh-Vombis; No help there so if anyone else can help/owns a copy a response would be appreciated. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:40, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Phantasmagoria ==<br />
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● Just to let people know [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?70167 Phantasmagoria] as listed on this site is really <b>Phantasmagoria Special Edition</b>. <b>Phantasmagoria</b> and <b>Phantasmagoria Special Edition</b> are two different magazines. Unless anybody minds, I’m going to have to change this soon. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 00:38, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Weir - Project Hail Mary ==<br />
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I have the {{P|914539|2022 edition}} of this title and it contains the two pages of rocket diagrams by David Lindroth (credited, as noted in similar pubs, on the copyright page as "Rocket diagrams: © David Lindroth Inc.").<br />
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Currently, Lindroth's diagrams are titled "Project Hail Mary". So far, so good, but the diagrams are titled "Thrust Configuration" at the top left of the first of the two pages. Because they <i>are</i> titled, I propose retitling {{T|2864563|this title}} as "Thrust Configuration" (no disambiguation needed). Would this be correct? Also, there doesn't seem to be any difference to warrant separation in {{T|3167979|this title}} and so it could be merged. Comments please. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 04:27, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No objection to your proposals. Seems useful and clear, and not overly burdensome for verifiers. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 14:43, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::[https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Regular_Titles The rules] (see Title-Artwork) state that ''Interior art should have the same title as the fiction or essay it is associated with. If it is independent of other content, and has no apparent title or caption, give it the title of the publication in which it appears, disambiguating if necessary.'' This, imo, implies that for art illustrating a piece of fiction (or is otherwise part of the story), it should get the title of the work it's associated with. Or, alternatively, if the work '''isn't''' associated with a title, and it has a title of its own, only then can it be entered using its title - but note that the rules don't actually say that explicitly. The [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:TitleFields:TitleType#INTERIORART TitleType/INTERIORART entry] says, a.o., ''If the illustration has a separate title or caption, document in the illustration's Notes field.'' The rule doesn't state that you can use it as title for the interior art.<br />
::So, per the rules the title should stay as-is - unless, you want to argue that the illustration is in no way associated with the novel?<br />
::Concerning the duplicate title, those can be merged (seems unlikely that there'd be (meaningful) differences between editions).<br />
::PS. you can always start a rules discussion over at the [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions R&S] if you'd like... Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 06:22, 22 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::''and has no apparent title or caption,'' is the qualifying part of that first sentence. That's why I wrote "Because they <i>are</i> titled". Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:05, 22 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: That qualifying part does not apply if it is not independent of other content. Since the art illustrates the novel (hence not independent) the novel's title is to be used per the first rules sentence, and the actual title added to the notes. Also, I cannot find it explicitly anywhere in the rules that the actual title of INTERIORART could be used any other circumstances. Merely, we can only infer (I think) from the rules text that when it is not related to anything in the publication, its actual title can (should) be used. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 07:49, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: <code> IF (''independent'' AND ''Has_No_title'') THEN ''Use_Pub_Title'' ELSE 'UNDEFINED'</code><br />
:::: If 'Has_No_title == FALSE (i.e. there -is- a title), we don't really know what to do, do we? Also, if 'independent' == FALSE (meaning, actually illustrating (part of) the work), we don't know what do do either, unless we're referring to the first sentence, which says:<br />
:::: <code> IF (NOT ''independent'') THEN ''Use_Pub_Title'' ELSE GOTO 'code above'</code> (with NOT ''independent'' being equivalent to 'associated') [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 08:23, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::Although it most likely could be stated more elegantly, this is what I get from my understanding of the Help (and implications) [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Regular_Titles for Artwork]; "''Interior art should have the same title as the fiction or essay it is associated with. If it is independent of other content, and has no apparent title or caption, give it the title of the publication in which it appears, disambiguating if necessary.''".<br />
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:::::There are 4 scenarios to resolve:<br />
::::::(1) Art is independent (i.e, not associated) and is not captioned.<br />
::::::(2) Art is independent (i.e, not associated) and is captioned.<br />
::::::(3) Art is not independent (i.e, is associated) and is not captioned.<br />
::::::(4) Art is not independent (i.e, is associated) and is captioned.<br />
:::::Therefore:<br />
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::::::If ''independent'' AND ''Has_No_Caption'' Then<br />
:::::::''Use_Pub_Title'' (...scenario (1))<br />
::::::Else<br />
:::::::If independent Then<br />
::::::::''Use_Caption_Title'' (...scenario (2))<br />
:::::::Else<br />
::::::::If Has_No_Caption Then<br />
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:::::There is a problem if one arrives at the last instruction and the art carries a different caption to the work it is associated with, but that's beyond our purpose here.<br />
:::::{{T|954582|Here}} {{T|3175000|and here}} is an example where a single piece of untitled artwork is used in both independent and associated contexts; as a frontispiece and embedded in a short story. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:14, 24 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::: If I'm not making an error while analyzing your logic, it boils down to: "if it has a caption, use it. In all other cases, use the associated title". Honestly, that's a simple rule, and would work for me. However, that is not what I'm reading in the current rules text. I think this warrants further discussion and clarification. Shall we move this discussion to R&S? Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 08:08, 25 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::Good idea, it would be nice to find out what the small print is :) See [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Interior_art_-_do_we_use_artwork_captions_in_the_titling.3F Interior art - do we use artwork captions in the titling]. Thanks, Kev.--[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:43, 25 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== "Achevé D'Imprimer" and "Dépôt Légal" - possible new templates ==<br />
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We have thousands of French publications which use "Achevé D'Imprimer" and "Dépôt Légal" in Notes. For example, consider [https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?874559 Aux portes de l'épouvante], which says:<br />
* Achevé D'Imprimer = None on book<br />
* Dépôt Légal = None on book<br />
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or take [https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?868799 La charnière du temps]:<br />
* Achevé D'Imprimer = Publication Date<br />
* Dépôt Légal = September 1987 (nearly matches AI)<br />
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Most of our users are presumably not familiar with these terms. How about we create simple (i.e. no parameters, just explanatory text) Notes templates of the same names explaining what they mean? Once the new templates are defined, I can create a database script to replace "Achevé D'Imprimer" and "Dépôt Légal" with <nowiki>"{{Achevé D'Imprimer}}" and "{{Dépôt Légal}}"</nowiki>. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:16, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Fine idea, which I do support! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:25, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: A quick clarification to make sure that we are all on the same page. The proposal wouldn't change the way "Achevé D'Imprimer" and "Dépôt Légal" are displayed. It would only add mouse-over bubbles explaining what the terms mean. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:38, 22 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Yes. But it would be a good idea for those not knowing what those terms could possibly mean. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:55, 22 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: What about : "Achevé d'imprimer" = "printing completed on…" (note not ''all'' AIs are dated) and "Dépôt légal" = "officially registered on…" ? The "dépôt légal" also implies that the publisher is legally expected to send one or two copies of the new book to the BnF (Bibliothèque nationale de France). Furthermore, it would be necessary to explain, I think, that the date of the "dépôt légal” can differ sensibly from the printing date, as it is a purely formal business, which can easily follow the date of actual publication by a few months (I know, this happened to some of my own books…). [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] ([[User talk:Linguist|talk]]) 08:45, 23 August 2023 (EDT).<br />
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::::: Thanks for chiming in! A couple of questions to make sure that I understand the process correctly:<br />
::::: "Printing completed": Is this the date when the last copy of the print run was physically produced? In the US, the date when copies were physically produced and the date when they were "published", i.e. made available to the public, are often different. For example, the first printing of an edition may be printed in April and arrive in bookstores in May or June. Is it the same in France or are the "printing date" and the "publication date" so close as to be the same for most practical purposes?<br />
::::: "Officially registered". Can the "Dépôt légal" date precede the publication date or is it always the same as or later than the publication date? The reason I am asking is that we have come across cases where the copyright date was months or even years (!) prior to the publication date, which confused some cataloging librarians.<br />
::::: [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:25, 23 August 2rif023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: I didn't come across any case where the publication date precedes the "dépôt légal" date: the other way around does happen, though (for example, a higher printing doesn't need a new "dépôt légal"; usually the "dépôt légal" for the first printing is stated). <br />
:::::: For the publication date: this seems to correspond to the "dépôt légal" for first printings, see the modern (after, say, 2012) correspondence of "dépôt légal" and date of publication per Amazon (or/also, the stated "dépôt légal" and reported month of publication at Perrypedia for the French 'Perry Rhodan' publications). <br />
:::::: The copyright date is usually stated within French publications and is to be set apart from other dates stated. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:03, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Dominique: What I don't understand about your experience with belated deliverance of personal copies to the author(s) is that as I understand it you had personal copies sent to you much later than the stated "dépôt légal", is that right? (If so, this would not speak against the stated "dépôt légal" corresponding to the date of publication or distribution, I'd think). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 14:08, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::: On the whole the French statements for printing & legal deposit strike me to be very similar to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?613648 this (German) publication], where there are statements for the month of printing ("Printed in Germany 4/2001") as well as for the month of publication ("Deutsche Erstausgabe 6/2001") to be found (with the actual month of distributing 5/2001). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 14:38, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: Ahasuerus and Christian : Yes, “achevé d'imprimer” corresponds to the date of the last copy of the run. Printing date and publication date can be indeed very close, but there's no strict rule about it. In any case, the "dépôt légal" normally comes some time after, as the books have to exist physically to be sent to the BnF. Officially, you are supposed to send some copies within three months after publication, but that delay is not always respected, for all sorts of reasons. This is from my own experience as an occasional publisher : the "dépôt légal" date has to be printed in the book ''before'' the actual registration, which can only take place after the book is printed — and sometimes months after publication, the estimated DL date being then purely theoretical. In the case of successive reprints, some publishers indicate a new DL each time, as well as the initial one, but some dont bother, and the only way to date the book is the printing date. As for a DL preceding the AI, like Christian, I don't remember coming across the case. But the ''copyright'' (not to be confused with DL) can easily precede AI and DL : quite a few re-editions only state the initial copyright of the book, although printed years after the first publication. [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] ([[User talk:Linguist|talk]]) 05:22, 24 August 2023 (EDT).<br />
::::::: I have just met an rather interesting case in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?967543 this publication] : the DL is indicated as "à parution" (= as soon as published), honestly showing that a) the dépôt légal date cannot be stated precisely, and b) that DL should not be confused with publication date. [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] ([[User talk:Linguist|talk]]) 05:40, 24 August 2023 (EDT).<br />
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:::::::: On the other hand, I do think it's even more misleading to use the "achevé d'imprimer", as this is per definition the date of printing, not of publication. I do think that the systems of publications in France & Germany are/were very similar: first a book is printed, and a few weeks later it is distributed/published (in many cases this id the next month). The stated "dépôt légal" is in any case closer to the date of distribution/publication (and on the point for those cases mentioned above, i. e. modern Amazon & French Perry Rhodan). <br />
:::::::: Obviously, in cases where there's no "dépôt légal" (or only one belonging to an earlier printing, or a useless one, as in your example), to use the "achevé d'imprimer" is the best you can do, if you have no other dependable information at hand, but if the first is there and valid, this should be used: the publisher gives a hint when the publication is distributed. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:00, 24 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::: Thanks for the clarification, Dominique!<br />
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::::::::: Christian, please keep in mind that the immediate issue here is what the proposed mouseover bubbles should say -- as opposed to how we should use these dates to determine each publication's "publication date" as we define it.<br />
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::::::::: Based on the discussion above, I am thinking that something like the following may work:<br />
:::::::::* <nowiki>Achevé D'Imprimer</nowiki>: Date when the last copy of the print run was physically produced<br />
:::::::::* <nowiki>Dépôt Légal</nowiki>: Estimated date when this publication will be officially registered and copies will be sent to the Bibliothèque nationale de France. Some reprints may list both the original Dépôt Légal date as well as the new one while some other reprints may only list the original Dépôt Légal date.<br />
::::::::: Will this work? Also, please note that the text in mouseover bubbles is editable by ISFDB Bureaucrats, so we can easily change the wording in the future. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:49, 24 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::: Sounds good! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 22:50, 24 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) I have created two new templates. The language is similar to what I proposed above with some stylistic modifications:<br />
* <nowiki>Achevé D'Imprimer</nowiki>: Date when the last copy of the print run was physically produced<br />
* <nowiki>Dépôt Légal</nowiki>: Estimated date when this publication is supposed to be officially registered and copies sent to the Bibliothèque nationale de France. Reprints may list either both the original Dépôt Légal date and the new one or only the original Dépôt Légal date.<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?874559 Here] is an example. If everything looks OK, I can create a database script and auto-update all Notes that use "Achevé D'Imprimer" and/or "Dépôt Légal". As I mentioned earlier, we can always tweak the template language later. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:15, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: [[Help:Using_Templates_and_HTML_in_Note_Fields#Non-Linking_Templates]] has been update to included the new templates. I plan to auto-convert all occurrences of "Achevé D'Imprimer" and "Dépôt Légal" to templates once I finish my current tasks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:05, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Earlier this afternoon 5,400+ Publication Notes with "Achevé D'Imprimer" and/or "Dépôt Légal" were updated automatically. The remaining 9 were updated manually. I believe we should be all set. If you come across any issues, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:04, 3 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Best from F&SF: 12th Series ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5749433; Hey, active PV Kraang, Rtrace, Rudam, GlennMcG, should page count be upped by 1 with a note about last page being unnumbered? Because there's a full-page drawing after the last numbered page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:28, 22 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Terese N. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5750006; It's definitely Neilsen; I did a text search on Archive.org and the only other book with the misspelled name is Newton's Cannon, but I didn't change it there because there's many editions she's credited on here for that book; I did add Archive.org links to book club HC and Del Rey PB and it's Neilsen in both, with at least 1 note here mentioning (sic) for the name but entering it under her canonical name, anyway. So if anyone cares, her name will need to be changed. Also, there seem to be 2 separate map credits that may be the same, 1 uncredited and 1 with an artist named, so that's an issue, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:41, 22 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Batman Young Readers ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?1012; I added Archive.org links to all 3 and fixed/added some other stuff. What should be the standard for the titles? Either they should all start with "Batman in" or they shouldn't because Batman is the series. Which ones need fixing? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:26, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Richard Drew Publishing / Richard Drew ==<br />
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Any objection to merging [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?1278 Richard Drew] into [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?82332 Richard Drew Publishing]? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:08, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Depends on how they are listed on the title pages of the publications in question. It's possible it changed over time. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:56, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Points to consider:<br />
::* From the Publisher Field Template - "Where multiple forms of a name exist, it is not important to always enter exactly the form of the name as it appears on the book. For example, an imprint may say "A Tor Book", "Tor", "Tor Books", "Tor Books Science Fiction", or "Tor: A Tom Doherty Associates Book". Sometimes several of these varying forms will be on a single book. These can be converted to a canonical form; in this case "Tor" would be the sensible choice. The ISFDB does not currently have a page to identify and document canonical forms for publishers but may do so in the future"<br />
::* There is nothing in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?1278 these four] which supports 'Richard Drew' as the publisher. From the above referenced template - "The publisher has in the past not been a key entity in the ISFDB.", engendering little confidence in the entries. The secondary verifications , added much later, use their own canonical names. Reginald3 uses 'Richard Drew' and British Library uses 'Drew'. <br />
::* [https://archive.org/search?query=mediatype%3A%28texts%29+AND+Publisher%3A%28Richard+Drew%29 Here] are the 17 scans for Richard Drew published books currently in the internet archive. All of them show 'Richard Drew Publishing'.<br />
::I see no benefit in using both forms and 'Richard Drew Publishing' seems the most appropriate. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:56, 24 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Chandler Award? ==<br />
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It looks like we don't have an Award Type for [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandler_Award The A. Bertram Chandler Award for Outstanding Achievement in Australian Science Fiction], which is [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/chandler_award listed by SFE]. It's presented by [https://fancyclopedia.org/Australian_Science_Fiction_Foundation Australian Science Fiction Foundation], which, judging by the Web site, may be moribund as of 2023, but they kept the award going for 3 decades. Should we add it? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:01, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Seems like a good one to have recorded here. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 21:23, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Hearing no objection, I created a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?111 new Award Type record] and added the awards earlier today. I also discovered that we already had almost half of the awards entered under a separate Ditmar Award category. Although usually given at the same annual Australian convention, the Ditmar award and the Chandler award are two different awards given by different people (fan-voted vs. juried), so I moved the data to the new Award Type. Hopefully everything looks OK now. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:53, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Damon Wilson ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?394521; Damon is Colin's son, I was going to add links in notes to each other but this is true-crime stuff, not really eligible on here, they wrote like a thousand of these things together, so I think book should be removed and maybe just zine review kept. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:05, 24 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I have added notes and third party URLs to the two author records. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:01, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::So this book is eligible? Because if it is there's a whole lot of other stuff like it by them; really depressing stuff. I hope people here didn't agree at some point recently that true-crime books are eligible now for some reason because if they are there's like thousands of them; maybe this one gets by because the elder Wilson is above the threshold? On a side note, the title of this book differs from what it says on the cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:08, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Sorry, I missed that part. {{A|Colin Wilson}} is presumably "above the threshold" because he wrote a dozen SF novels and numerous books/articles about SF (like ''Science Fiction As Existentialism'') and about SF authors like Tolkien, van Vogt, David Lindsay and Lovecraft. That's why we list his non-genre books, including his non-genre non-fiction. Some of them, like ''The Book of Time'' and ''From Atlantis to the Sphinx'', are SF-adjacent but may not have been eligible if he were not "above the threshold". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:42, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Steir or Stier ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?79153; I added Archive.org link and cover image to Doubleday edition of Leonard Daventry's Twenty-One Billionth Paradox, cover artist on ISFDB is Pat Stier (probably taken from SFE since there's no PV), Pat Steir is a well-known artist who's a lady, I added an edit noting her birth name from Wiki, thing is Wiki says she was born in 1940, not 1938, so does anyone know when she was really born and also if anyone owns a jacketed copy of Paradox let us know because I've also made an edit making Stier a variant of Steir but it could be Steir in the book and SFE was just mistaken in which case it would just need to be corrected without a variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:02, 24 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Death Tour ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5751841; A curse on these ex-library copies with no jackets. If anyone has a jacketed copy let us know because it's possible "Joe Chiodo" may not be what's actually on the back flap or wherever it is (only site online I can find that mentions Chiodo and Death Tour together is something called Paperback Palette but artist is credited as Charles Chiodo which is definitely wrong because he's half of a well-known special effects team with his brother; they directed the all-time classic KILLER KLOWNS FROM OUTER SPACE in the 1980's). EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5751849; Here's a lesson in never trusting info found on a random blog. Incidentally, the blog where that wrong info came from, http://markwestwriter.blogspot.com/, is on hiatus so I hope there's nothing wrong with Mr. West. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:33, 24 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== L. Rey ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?122809; I added Archive.org link to first book, by Colin Wilson, previous book in the series said Luis Rey for the cover, this one said Louis, I made Louis a variant of Luis and made variants of Wilson book's cover art and Spock's World, too (copy on eBay), but that UK House on the Borderland eluded me. So if anyone owns it/can find it and it does say Louis then you can variant it to Luis or change it to Luis if it says that. Then the only question will be how many of the 60+ credits by Luis really say Luis and how many actually say Louis but the editor didn't notice or they did notice but just entered his regular name, anyway. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:24, 25 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Das große Buch der Märchen, Sagen und Gespenster ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=dasgrossebuchder0000unse_e5m6; While adding links to some Franz Rottensteiner books I saw this one which doesn't seem to be here in case anyone German-fluent would like to enter it; it has a good selection of stories. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:52, 25 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Polish ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?21549; A while back I went on a long run of adding cover images and artist/author photos to books from Poland using FantLab mostly; today I accidentally stumbled on 2 more photos of Kiwerski and Kacperek and added those (plus a lot of other stuff for Kiwerski). I noticed that the above-linked publisher has very few images added, for example the 58 non-series books have a grand total of 10 images, so anyone more familiar than me with the language may want to work on this. Some of them seem to be on Google Books. A guy whose name escapes me right now was adding a lot of stuff years before I started editing, his name kept popping up as PV, but either he quit or passed on or something because a lot of his books were left unfinished with stuff missing. EDIT: Don't bother doing what I did and try to find images on Amazon by entering a search for a book's ISBN without the dashes; I tried several and got nothing except the usual car parts for sale that happen to have an ID number that matches the book or a bunch of scantily-dressed ladies on some sketchy site that offers "dates" and identifies each woman by a number, I suppose. I've seen more of those over the last few years than I can count and many of them I wish I didn't see. EDIT: I came across this, https://fantlab.ru/edition207519, which doesn't seem to be on ISFDB and is certainly genre-related. FantLab's note says it's the second English issue so there's an earlier one (not on FantLab) plus an unknown number in Polish. EDIT: Surprisingly there are only 5 publishers on ISFDB with Poland in their name but there's all sorts of stuff still to be done for them. A quick check reveals that 1) the missing cover art credit for one of Empire's Who books is a re-arranged version of the 1991 Target / Virgin English edition by Alister Pearson, 2) the Jaguar books include 5 TP and 2 PB so likely the PB should be TP, too, and Time*Out is missing cover image which is likely the same as the other editions, plus last 3 books are missing cover artists, 3) Phantom has 5 TP and 3 PB so likely the PB should be TP, too, and Card's book is missing cover image, and the 2 books with prices were entered differently (00 at the end of one of them), plus Poland was misspelled as Polan in the publisher note, 4) four of the seven Solaris books are missing cover artists and one that has an artist has an unknown format, 5) Victoria book is missing cover, searching for ISBN without dashes in Google Images only finds half-naked escort photos but I think this, https://polter.pl/ksiazki/Rozanooka-n19312, might be the right image. I'm sure I missed a few things. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:38, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Analog Yearbook ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2550; This is the only one in the series without a cover artist, note says there's no signature but I think there is, lower right corner, tried several legit (?) image enlargers online but didn't really help, someone else here may be able to identify it. I also added Archive.org links and a few other things to a whole bunch of Analog anthologies by Stanley Schmidt. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 02:02, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Server downtime - 2023-08-26 at 3pm ==<br />
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The server will be unavailable between 3pm and 3:05pm server (Daylight Saving) time. One of the temporary Wiki tables keeps growing and needs to be periodically reset before the server runs out of disk space. I am still looking for a permanent solution. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:19, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Hitler's Crystal ==<br />
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https://openlibrary.org/works/OL20092886W/Predator?edition=key%3A/books/OL27272937M; For some reason the image for Predator shows 4 covers; one looks like a thriller with a gun, one's a romance novel, but that other one ... please let it be real. Online search only finds it on lpbooks.com (Lion & Phoenix), calls it #2 in the DimeNovel series. Otherwise, very little info. I know that company was shady and didn't pay their authors but some books were still published. If anyone can find proof of the Hitler book (and assuming it's genre) let us know. A text search for publisher and title/author and title on Archive.org both only found 1 hit, a mention in a 1992 issue of Science Fiction Chronicle which also mentions a few other titles not on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:00, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dark Star ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5753574; Only after I entered my edit did I notice that someone had written a price note of their own. Since this was published by an American company the $ price should be the one entered, I think, but what should be done with the UK note? Just erase it or leave it with an added "British price was" note or something similar? EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?92985; artist and essay/review writer are 2 different people. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:40, 27 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Add to the notes something along the lines of "British price of 7/6 from British Science-Fiction Bibliography", hence no information gets lost. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 07:10, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Uncle Stephen ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1028679; I added FantLab cover (cover image doesn't seem to be in very many places online for some reason) to first Tartarus record which was entered in the very early days of public editing here, but the Fixer robot entered the same book from Amazon in 2019. Page count is more accurate in the first record with Roman numerals but later record does include the day, so should second record be deleted and day of publication added to date of first record? Also, ISBN aren't exactly the same so maybe that's why the robot thought the book had never been entered. Sorry, Skynet. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:51, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== FortuneCity ==<br />
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https://fanlore.org/wiki/List_of_FortuneCity_Fansites; This link may be useful; it contains much genre-related material. Whoever compiled this huge thing deserves a medal. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:00, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== This Incredible Adventure ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270570; I corrected someone's cover artist entry for The Apes by Eden Phillpotts from D. Burrouches to Dorothy Burroughes as it says on SFE; weird font in cover signature fooled someone into seeing the G as a C. Book I linked above is the only other credit here that's probably by her but there's no E in her last name, info such as cover image, etc., is scarce online, so if anyone can get an image or a flap or something either it will have name with an E and can be corrected or it won't and it'll be a variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:59, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ace Fantasy ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5758148; It really says Ace Fantasy Books on title page and there are 100+ entries on ISFDB by that name. Should it really be separate or changed to just Ace Books? Should this book and the original edition (and possibly the later one if they were still using Ace Fantasy then) be Ace Books? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:46, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Saltflower ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=saltflower; German edition in case anyone fluent wants to enter it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:19, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Okay [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?968760 here it is]. But, since I don't know German either, somebody is going to have translate the translator. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 03:37, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Day It Rained Forever ==<br />
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https://www.existentialennui.com/2017/11/science-fiction-beautiful-british-book.html; I was adding Archive.org links and some other stuff to 3 different editions of Bradbury's British book (2 Penguins and a Roc), and I noticed that the original Hart-Davis has a note about some reference work having the price as 18/-, and as can be seen in the photo at the link above it is 18/-; however, the first Hart-Davis book with a price that high was about 10 years later, so I believe it might be a later printing. So if anyone knows they can do something with that, maybe another record can be created. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:36, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jan B. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=breug&type=Name; Both named Jan are on front page ("died"), they're the same person, yes? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:48, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Alternate name established. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:04, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Welcome to the Silent Zone ==<br />
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● I just put [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3222249 Welcome to the Silent Zone] on this site, but the copywrite page states that this is a translation (Hungarian?), but I can’t find the possible original anywhere. Anybody got any ideas? [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 21:14, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dell 2nd Printing ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5759600; This one's annoying me because every copy on picclick/ebay is first printing; anyone own second printing so date can be fixed if it needs to be? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:29, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Temps Morts ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=temps-morts+maxim; I was doing a bunch of John R. Maxim edits and saw that the French translation of Time Out of Mind is on ISFDB only as part of an anthology, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?759828, but here, https://archive.org/search?query=temps-morts+maxim, are 2 editions with different names on their covers, one with the American/British HC art and the other apparently with original art, in case anyone fluent wants to enter those. Also, I thought it was funny that the only other work on ISFDB with the same title is a translation of Orson Scott Card's "Closing the Timelid"; I guess timelid has no meaning in French. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:31, 3 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Woman Who Married a Cloud ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1366097; https://archive.org/search?query=%22Married+a+Cloud%22; No English archived copies but I found a Polish (?) one in case anyone fluent wants to enter it so at least people who speak the language can read the stories. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:18, 3 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pawel M. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=pawel+mar&type=Name; Same guy, probably, one has the little question mark thing at the end of his name, one doesn't. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:39, 3 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Alternate name created. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:24, 4 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Peter Cartur/Roger Flint Young/Peter Grainger/Forrest J. Ackerman ==<br />
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I submitted an edit to the page on Peter Grainger, where it reads:<br />
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Note that ISFDB lists Peter Cartur as a pseudonym for Peter Grainger. However, the copyright/acknowledgments for Fifty Short Science Fiction <br />
Tales includes:<br />
Peter Cartur The Mist. Copyright 1952 by Fantasy House, Inc. Reprinted by permission of Forrest J. Ackerman.<br />
Usually something like this would indicate that Peter Cartur is a pseudonym as copyrights need to be filed under the author's real name. It's <br />
not known if Forrest J. Ackerman bought the rights to this story or if Peter Cartur is one of Forrest J. Ackerman's pseudonyms.<br />
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Peter Cartur is not a pseudonym of Forrest J. Ackerman. Ackerman was Peter Grainger's agent, which is why he gave permission for reprinting "The Mist". (Note that the copyright, at that time, was held by Fantasy House, the publishers of F&SF where it first appeared.)<br />
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One of my sources for the assertion that "Peter Cartur" is a pseudonym of Peter Grainger, and not a pseudonym of Forrest J. Ackerman? A man named ... Forrest J. Ackerman.<br />
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I had earlier found a fanzine reference in the early 1950s in which Ackerman listed Grainger, Cartur, and Roger Flint Young among his clients. But I have found a better thing: an obituary by Ackerman for Peter Grainger, in the May 1974 issue of the fanzine Luna Monthly (#52). It's on page 8, and can be seen in full here: https://www.fanac.org/fanzines/Luna/Luna52.pdf<br />
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Here's the text of the obituary:<br />
"3 authors, 1 fan, killed simultaneously. The news is greatly delayed in being made public but late in 1971 fan Peter Grainger, probably in his early 60s, a fan who at one time had one of the greatest collections of all pulp magazines (in addition to sf and fantasy), was killed by a drunken driver. <br />
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With him died Peter Cartur (“The Mist,” F&SF, and “Nor Moon by Night,” Famous Fantastic Mysteries); Max Dancey (“Two-Way Stretch,” F&SF; “Me Feel Good,” Orbit SF; and “The Loneliest Town,” Fantastic Universe); and Roger Flint Young (“Forbidden Fruit,” Amazing; “Inoculation,” Fantastic Adventures; and “Suburban Frontiers” and “Not to be Opened—” in Astounding). All three authors were pseudonyms of Grainger. He last appeared in Perry Rhodan 38 as Max Dancey in collaboration with G. Gordon Dewey with “The Keknij Escape.” <br />
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Mild mannered, soft spoken, wry humored, he never made waves in the sf field, keeping to himself and a small circle of friends, operating a secondhand book and magazine shop, as far as I know, at the end of his life. I was glad to have been his friend, gratified to have been his agent, infuriated by the way he lost his life. -- Forry Ackerman" {{Unsigned2|11:49, September 4, 2023|Hortonwho13}}<br />
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== Angel(a) Arnet ==<br />
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I just added 1968 Stein and Day American edition to Elizabeth Walter's The Sin-Eater and design is by Angel Arnet, who has a credit on ISFDB for a Keith Laumer book, but an Angela Arnet has a credit for a Robert Silverberg book. So if anyone knows what her real name was one can be made a variant of the other, although she seems to be credited for design (even though art style is similar for all so she probably did art), which I put in the note for Sin-Eater, so maybe her name doesn't even really belong in cover art for those other 2 and should be moved to notes, also. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:55, 4 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== To Do List ==<br />
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I'm not doing any editing from Labor Day to October 1 (Halloween Season!) but if I come across anything I think needs looking into I'll mention it in this thread and maybe someone will help.<br />
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1) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?72190; Al Sarrantonio's "The Dust" is not the same as "Dust" and should be unmerged. I own the anthology Death, which is not on Archive.org, but "The Dust" was reprinted in 100 Hair-Raising Little Horror Stories which does have at least one archived link; "Dust" is from Quietly now, a very limited edition anthology from Borderlands Press which is almost impossible to find, but it was reprinted in a later collection of his which also has an archived link. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:43, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I have checked two pubs in my collection and confirmed that they are different stories. Unmerged and updated. Thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:20, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks. Will the variant for "Dust" go away after the site is updated or does that need doing manually? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:14, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: My bad; fixed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:22, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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2) On this list, https://wfc2023.org/in-memorium/, the following have not been updated on ISFDB with their date of death in 2022: Jill Pinkwater, Jay Wilburn, Ned Dameron, Henry Morrison, Sue Strong Hassler, Erik Arthur, Jay Faulkner. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:44, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Eleven author records updated, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:06, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks. https://news.ansible.uk/a425.html also mentions the death of Erik Arthur in case you were looking for extra info before adding his date. EDIT: I see Michel Bühler at the Ansible link also doesn't have a death date here so others on the list probably don't have a date, either. EDIT: I did a quick check and Bühler actually seems to be the only one; not sure why he wasn't on the other memoriam list (not considered important enough to the genre, I guess). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:21, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Arthur was entered some time ago, Bühler was just entered by Username using Bühler's Wikipedia page (thanks, me). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:56, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
3) Amazingstories.com, In Memoriam Those We Have Lost in 2022: "Fan John E. Ferraro (b.1952) died on January 13. John was an active convention attendee and helped run conventions in the Chicago and Milwaukee areas." Probably this guy, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?205939. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:54, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Here's [https://amazingstories.com/2023/01/in-memoriam-those-we-have-lost-in-2022/ the link] to the referenced post. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:40, 6 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Ferraro was entered some time ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:57, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
4) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?33619; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jenkins_(author); Author of book died but it doesn't really belong here, I believe, because it's just about dinosaurs with no genre content. Also, short stories are by a different guy, https://www.amazon.com.be/-/en/Steven-Jenkins/dp/0993283659; Dark Moon Digest where they appeared is mentioned in his bio. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:12, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Differentiated the authors; I'd also think the dinosaur nonfiction shouldn't be here, are there more opinion? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:53, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Book does not belong here, I deleted hundreds of these years ago in a cleanup. Will remove this one to.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 15:49, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
5) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?112614; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Swann. Saw he died while perusing the necrology in an old Best New Horror volume. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:08, 6 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Swann was just entered by Username using Swann's Wikipedia page (thanks, me). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:04, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
6) https://archive.org/details/science-fiction-conventions; I've added a few links recently to random volumes from this collection uploaded last year if there was something in them that was related to something else I happened to be editing but there's hundreds of others and I'm not big on old SF. If anyone's interested in adding more links or verifying and fixing any info they're there; you never know when they might be gone. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:20, 6 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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7) On this page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Horror_fiction_awards, there seem to be 2 literary awards not on ISFDB, Gaylactic and Nocte. Only mention in a note search on ISFDB for the former is Queer Fear II, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?342199, while Nocte is mentioned here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?665268, and here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2368403, although another award, Premio Ignotus, is mentioned so there seems to be some confusion. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:38, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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8) https://archive.org/search?query=george+martin+game-of-thrones&sort=title&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22; With the Game of Thrones spinoff Snow coming soon, supposedly, I did a search for author/title and got the page linked above. There's all sorts of stuff from various English-language editions to foreign editions to coloring books and puzzle books plus some non-fiction about the series. Many of those copies could be useful in fleshing out what's already here and possibly some aren't even here at all. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:43, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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9) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=sailing&type=Name; Jasmine linked bio on her page refers to her 2 children and one of them is Amara so something should be added to their notes to detail the mother-daughter relationship. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:50, 8 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Relationship added, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:05, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
10) https://archive.org/details/friendsofthesanfranciscopubliclibrary?query=%22perry+rhodan%22&sin=TXT&sort=title; Big assortment of Perry Rhodan books. Text search was necessary because several were misidentified as electronic or video recordings or by ISBN instead of title; I count 43 Rhodan books. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:51, 8 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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11) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?20806; https://www.cunninghamfuneralhome.net/obituary/lee-moler/; Moler died several years ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:11, 9 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Author record updated, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:54, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
12) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?141950; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?500568; I think signature is "LeCroix 77". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:26, 10 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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13) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?16483; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?16572; They're the same person. Variant needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:03, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Alternate name established, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:46, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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14) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?532102; https://archive.org/search?query=blue-streak+medusa&sort=-addeddate; A Whitman sampler of editions of this book; as someone's note says it's hard to say which of the multiple printings these are, all just say 1946 on copyright page, one has no cover and the other 2 may have the same color cover, it's hard to tell because one of them is old and faded, if any experts can identify by gutter code or something similar they can add links if they want to. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:14, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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15) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=hucken&type=Name; Which is parent and which is variant? The 1974 name is actually entered wrong, https://archive.org/details/Burroughs_Bulletin_034_1974_LauraS_FIXED/page/n14/mode/1up, so his real name needs verifying. EDIT: Title is wrong, too; it's Torquasian. EDIT: https://archive.org/search?query=burroughs-bulletin&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22collection%22; I'm going to assume there are other mistakes throughout the various issues so this collection may help in fixing some of those. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:45, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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16) https://main.pemmi-con.ca/sf/in-memoriam/; People with no 2022 death date entered here: Celia Correas de Zapata, Drew Ford, Martin Barker. The Stephen Smith mentioned in the list may or may not be one of these Smiths, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?34578, and Kevin Barrett might be this guy, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?8563. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:16, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Username just entered Zapata and Barker using their Wikipedia pages (thanks, me). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:15, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
17) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=wojtow&type=Name; First 2 guys are almost certainly the same people as are the last 2 guys. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:22, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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18) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?1038; Someone's been adding recent issues of Nightmare Abbey from this publisher (there's also a one-off here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?662703). Almost all of their publications were PV by Thosengl who is almost certainly the owner, Tom English, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?127469, but he was a little shaky judging by the numerous corrections mods had to make to his edits. He hasn't been around for years (and for some reason at least 1 of his PV is by Thosengl7 who has a separate page here) and there are no copies of any of these books on Archive.org (must be a very small press) so if anyone owns anything maybe they can add/fix, in particular the series issue with 3 separate series names which almost certainly are the same. The first one, Literary Vampire, clearly says The Literary Vampire Series on the cover but "the" and "series" are in different sizes than the rest so maybe that's what led to the confusion. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:59, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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19) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?13861; Someone's recently been adding edits for Keyhoe UFO books which seems a waste of time because he's probably not above-the-threshold and those books are likely going to be removed eventually. The Perma Star one linked above should probably be removed but more importantly while searching text on Archive.org for Permabooks and Perma Star together a Simak book came up, https://archive.org/search?query=%22permabooks%22+%22perma+star%22&sin=TXT, so publisher for that edition, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?149901, should probably be Perma Star, too. Either that or Clarke book's publisher should be changed to Perma Books and Perma Star added as an imprint to both. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:32, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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20) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2447743; Jugement is probably wrong but Wiki titles it Judgment or Judgement depending on where you look, so real title needs verifying. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:36, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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21) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?334653; On the slim chance anyone owns this issue I find it hard to believe that movie review is really titled Mad MARX and not Mad MAX. I picture Groucho in the Thunderdome smoking a cigar while fighting Master Blaster. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:23, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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22) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1772293; Title of first story is wrong, it's "Pudgygate", Rusch offered it for free on her site kriswrites.com in 2011 (archived link is still working; she offered it a few times since but those don't have the text of the story anymore) and the 1995 anthology it came from, Cat Crimes Takes a Vacation, is on Archive.org. Also, Amazon preview identifies cover artist as Mega 11/Dreamstime (not sure about the first part, the font is kind of weird, might be II); problem is Dreamstime has many credits on ISFDB, some with a space separating the co-artist, some without, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=dreamstime&type=Name, so which is correct should probably be decided and wrong ones fixed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:24, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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23) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?107565; Lawrence R. Dagstine recently created a page here so I left him a message asking if he can provide info for his 2004 collection which is very sparse here and elsewhere online. While researching him I found this, https://lawrencedagstine.com/2007/07/16/kinships-7-now-available-final-issue/. The Nova credit is on ISFDB, Silverthought is a publisher that had a fiction section at their online site years ago, but Kinships was a print magazine, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?62884, that only has #1 and a later issue entered here. Both issues have a weird web link in their title records but the page on Dagstine's site has another link on Tripod which is still mentioned a few times online but the actual site is gone except in the archived version that doesn't seem to mention the final issue. So if anyone can actually find somewhere that mentions contents of #7 or any of the other issues those can be entered here. Typing "bibliography" and "Kinships Magazine" online only found 1 author site, https://jamesdorrwriter.wordpress.com/bibliography-1-short-fiction-3/, which mentions a story not on ISFDB and has a May 2002 date but doesn't mention what issue that was. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:52, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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24) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=horror+of+oz&type=All+Titles; Craftlove was a pseudonym of Karr. Also, Fancyclopedia and her bio on Amazon say she wrote as Gregory Remington who has a story here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?13994, so that's likely by her, too. She also has no photo on ISFDB and her Wiki (which only has 1 small not-so-good photo) says her last name was shortened to Karr but doesn't say if that was done legally; if not, her original last name, Karmilowicz, should be her legal name. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:57, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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25) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=stinson&type=Name; J. G., Jan, Janine G., and Janine are all likely the same person; also, artist just named Stinson is almost certainly Paul Stinson who did other Leisure covers in the same style. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:38, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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26) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?326338; http://andrewdarlington.blogspot.com/2020/03/science-fiction-magazine-dream-science.html; Author of "The Eighth Room" is credited as S. M. Baxter, not Stephen M. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:56, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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27) http://www.ravenelectrick.com/ravenswriters/index.htm; This page and the 2 other writer pages linked at the bottom of it contain photos for most of the authors and most of them have no photos on ISFDB so anyone who likes uploading author images here can get a lot from those 3 pages. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:27, 17 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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28) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?146553; http://wormwoodiana.blogspot.com/2021/02/rip-jeffrey-dempsey-1959-2021.html; He died a few years ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:15, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Dempsey was just entered by Username using Wormwoodiana blog post (thanks, me). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:09, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Erotic Fantasy & Science Fiction Selections ==<br />
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● What I would like to know is <i>Erotic Fantasy & Science Fiction Selections</i>; an anthology series, as seen [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?681090 here] or is it a publication series, as seen [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?11896 here]?. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 01:38, 6 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: They all seem to be unique compilations so I would go with a title series personally but either way works... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:55, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== DAW Books as an imprint ==<br />
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DAW Books was acquired by Astra Publishing House in July 2022. As a result, DAW Books is now an imprint of Astra Publishing House. I'm not sure when the DAW titles started having the imprint information on their copyright pages. I have started using the publisher [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?80940 DAW Books / Astra Publishing House] for new works since that data is on the copyright page. However, the title pages still show only DAW Books. In addition, using Amazon Look-inside, I see that at least some of the ebooks published by DAW as an independent entity have had their copyright pages updated to show "DAW Books" [over] "An imprint of Astra Publishing House". Should I still just use DAW Books for continuity? If I need to make changes, there are only 6 publications to change. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 10:10, 6 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Unless there isn't any publisher information on the title page, we should be going with what's on the title page. Anything else should be added as a note. At least that's been general practice for a long time. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:34, 6 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK. I'll change the 6 publications. I'm the sole PV for two of them anyway. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 12:58, 6 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::If I may, you're emphasizing "we should be going with what's on the title page. Anything else should be added as a note.".<br />
:::The [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Publisher Help screen for Publisher] states "Use the official statement of publication where you can.". The official statement of publication is the copyright page. Yes/no? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:31, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Looking at the totality of [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Publisher]], I note that it gives editors a lot of flexibility, e.g.:<br />
::::* Imprints are '''often''' a suitable choice since they may be genre specific. A good rule of thumb is to choose a publisher name that would not surprise the reader; thus "Del Rey Books" is a better choice for that imprint than "Ballantine Books", even though Del Rey was in fact an imprint of Ballantine, because Del Rey's imprint is the prominent label on the cover of those books, whereas "Ballantine" appears only in small print at best. However, if both an imprint and a publisher are listed, and particularly if both are known for publishing genre fiction, '''consider''' listing both. For example "Del Rey / Ballantine" may be an even better choice than either "Del Rey Books" or "Ballantine Books". [emphasis added]<br />
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::::* Where multiple forms of a name exist, it is not important to always enter exactly the form of the name as it appears on the book. For example, an imprint may say "A Tor Book", "Tor", "Tor Books", "Tor Books Science Fiction", or "Tor: A Tom Doherty Associates Book". Sometimes several of these varying forms will be on a single book. These can be converted to a canonical form; in this case "Tor" would be the sensible choice.<br />
:::: I haven't done much work on imprints the last few years, so I am not up to speed on what the current practices in this area are. If we could get other experienced editors' takes on this, we may be able to update Help to be more specific. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:55, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Nude French Alien ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?500568; I added to my "To Do List" thread with what I think is the cover artist but looking at edit history it was Hauck who entered the notes and he's one of those who wants nothing more to do with ISFDB so it's very unlikely he's going to respond; I'm adding this separate message so maybe someone else, possibly Stonecreek who added to Hauck's edits, will agree and enter the artist. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?500843; https://memoriasfc.blogspot.com/2013/08/toxicofuturis-une-anthologie-de-michel.html; Maybe someone can determine signature and enter artist. Also, Hauck seems to have misspelled "signature" a bunch of times, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/note_search_results.cgi?OPERATOR=contains&NOTE_VALUE=siganture, so if anyone wants to they can fix those. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:47, 10 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== 2023-09-11 performance issues ==<br />
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The site is very slow at the moment due to hundreds of simultaneous requests apparently coming from robot accounts. I am investigating. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:33, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: It looks like it's over for now. Checking the list of IP addresses that were part of the attack, I see that a lot of them come from multiple countries, including multiple Chinese provinces, which means that the attack was at least somewhat sophisticated. Perhaps they were looking for software vulnerabilities. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:48, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Plan 9 ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_ctype&O_2=exact&TERM_2=NONFICTION&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=contains&TERM_3=UFO&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication]; [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_ctype&O_2=exact&TERM_2=&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=contains&TERM_3=flying+object&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication]; [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_ctype&O_2=exact&TERM_2=NONFICTION&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=contains&TERM_3=flying+saucer&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication]; ; After seeing that someone has been making edits for some UFO books I thought I'd search for non-fiction books with related search terms in their titles to make it easier to get rid of them and just leave the reviews, if any, although a few are by above-the-threshold authors and likely can be justified in being here. There are many others that don't have any of those terms but this will be a good start. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:45, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Night Visions 4 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?257996; I thought this was interesting. I was looking at "My Primary Verifications with Possibly Unstable "/G/" Amazon URLs" and I only have 2; The Rage by Jack Ramsay and the above title. While looking for a replacement cover I noticed that some photos have the price/publisher info on the middle left like my copy and this photo, https://openlibrary.org/books/OL7502962M/Night_Visions_4_Hardshell, but others have the info on the lower left. Turns out they reprinted it at least once, https://www.etsy.com/listing/990058853/hardshell-aka-night-visions-4-paperback, note 2nd printing number line on copyright page, and oddly the Canadian price is lower (4.95) than the first (5.25). They also removed/moved some of the text on the cover. So does anyone own a copy who can check what printing they have? If you have the 2nd (or later, possibly) that can be entered and PV. You never know if they shifted the pages around, too, but only a full copy can verify that. EDIT: ISBN is also different; I left a note on Collecting Koontz's Twitter notifying them of this; they only list 1st printing and got the date wrong (1998 instead of 1988). EDIT: I just saw that way back in 2011 someone did enter what I assume is the 2nd printing, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?865302, although they didn't leave any notes about that or how they arrived at the 1990 date. I'm uploading a cover that matches my 1st printing so this other one needs a cover, too, and cover artist imported since it's the same image as the 1st. No page numbers so someone with a copy will still have to verify and enter those. EDIT: I tweeted Collecting Koontz site and got a reply thanking me and saying they fixed the date. I forgot to tell them they misspelled the title, too, as "Hardhsell", so hopefully they'll catch that and fix it; kind of hard to tell because links to the site seem to be on separate pages so they may fix it on one but not the other(s). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:06, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== 2023-09-12 performance issues ==<br />
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The malicious robots from yesterday are back as of 12:30pm server time and hammering the site, which is causing slow response times. I am monitoring the situation and will be looking into countermeasures. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:34, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== 2023-09-12 server downtime at 2:15pm ==<br />
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The server will be down for maintenance between 2:15pm and 2:25pm server (Eastern Daylight) time. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:58, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: We are back up. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:24, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Slow performance ==<br />
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Is there something going on with the server? The performance is currently pretty slow. It's taking over 10 seconds to load pages that normally load almost instantly. It's happening on both the main database and the wiki. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 22:39, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It's fine this morning. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 10:06, 13 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Our hosting company, Nexcess, had issues across multiple servers on 2023-09-13 -- see https://status.nexcess.net/ for details. They appear to have been resolved. Knock on wood. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:12, 13 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Clearly I wasn't knocking on the right kind of wood. The server is once again experiencing problems. Contacting Al. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:14, 13 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: The server is still experiencing massive issues. There is no ETA at this time. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:48, 13 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: As of 5am server time, response times are back to normal. However, since we haven't resolved the underlying problems, there is no guarantee that we won't see more issues later today. We are still looking into it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 05:25, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== After Hours ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?28067; After Hours was a horror magazine that ran from 1989-1995. I checked all 25 issues on ISFDB and none of them have interior art credits and none are PV so it wouldn't need checking with anyone else to add those credits which seem to always be on the contents page in the issues I've seen online. There's also the thing of having to change starting page numbers by 1 for those stories that begin with an illustration and a lot of the stories don't have lengths because editors likely added contents for most or all of the issues from Locus/Philsp and they call very short stories vi, meaning vignette, and those often are not given lengths here. There are some issues on eBay, a couple of issues on Richard Dalby's site (in the usual broken fashion for that site only one comes up when you search there, both show up when you search on Google), and I'm sure others are elsewhere (maybe a few people here actually own some issues). So if anyone wants to a lot of art credits, some by major artists, can be entered. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:32, 15 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Down On the Farm ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive50#Stchur; RTrace just added Reginald stuff to Paddywhack, Stchur's novel about a BULLDOG FROM HELL, but questions still remain about his first novel. The 12-photo eBay copy mentioned in my old message linked above seems to be gone but there are a few others currently available. I'd still like to know who did that cool art, but I also noticed that the name on the title page of the HC is actually J. W. Stchur so book's name and title name need adjusting; whether PB uses John or not is unknown because there don't seem to be any photos of the title page online. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:53, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Entering short story and essay entries within my own Author page ==<br />
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Hi. I've searched Help and cannot find guidance for:<br />
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For my own Author page, how to enter a short story I've had published in an anthology or an essay I've had published in a magazine.<br />
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I'm hoping I don't have to enter the entire anthology itself. I just want my story to appear on my page.<br />
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Thanks in advance.<br />
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Jim <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Jamesnemeth|Jamesnemeth]] ([[User talk:Jamesnemeth|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jamesnemeth|contribs]]) .</small><br />
:The ISFDB is a publication based database. So yes, to have a story listed, the publication it appeared in needs to be entered. You can read [[:Help:Screen:NewPub]] if you wish to try entering the publication yourself. Or you can provide information on them here and someone may be willing to enter them. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:02, 17 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wditing - Tess Gerritsen ==<br />
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Hello, I kindly notice a possible review for the Author name "Tess Gerritsen".<br />
The real legal name should be "Terry Tom" (name and surname respectively). Tom is the maiden surname and Gerritsen is the husband's surname (as she get married with Jacob Gerritsen). Her children names: Josh Gerritsen (a filmmaker) and Adam Gerritsen; Her parents names: Ernest Tom and Jui Chiung Tom.<br />
She changed his name from "Terry" to "Tess" to use a name that sounded too masculine more feminine, already at the beginning of her writer career, as she personally told in some public interview.<br />
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«My real name isn’t Tess, but Terry.<br />
[...] I never really meant “Tess” as a secret identity. I took on the name way back when my first romance novel, CALL AFTER MIDNIGHT, was about to be published. Since “Terry” was considered a masculine spelling, my editor was concerned that readers might think the author was a man — and romance readers want books written by women. [...]<br />
TT would indeed be my first and middle names. (I use my maiden name, “Tom” for my middle name.)»<br />
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Sources: <br />
- Wikipedia Italian author page: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tess_Gerritsen<br />
- imdb-personal info (as "Terry Gerritsen): https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2446740/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0<br />
- Interview: https://web.archive.org/web/20140221161847/http://www.tessgerritsen.com/writers-and-secret-identities/<br />
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So I kindly ask, if it correct to modify just the legal name in "Terry Tom, adding it in the database, together with her author bame Tess Gerritsen (always used).<br />
Thank you for a feedback about and possible update.<br />
Fantacollector <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Fantacollector|Fantacollector]] ([[User talk:Fantacollector|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Fantacollector|contribs]]) .</small><br />
:I updated the legal name to "Gerritsen, Terry" as per SFE3 and en.wikipedia. For it.wikipedia, it says "born Terry Tom", not that Tom is her current legal last name. In the US, women frequently change their legal last name when married. Given the other sources, we will have to go with the assumption that is what happened here unless you have a clearer source that her current legal last name remains Tom. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:10, 17 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== New 4-volume Gollancz Collected Stories of PKD ==<br />
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Last week Gollancz put out the first 2 volumes of a "The Collected Stories of PKD" series, which I entered [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3216739 here] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3222839 here]. Out of a somewhat Dickian sense of paranoia, I didn't clone the contents of the existing volumes 1 and 2, or variant to them, in case these new ones didn't match, and it turns out those suspicions were justified.<br />
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It looks like that original 5-volume series is being split into 4 volumes. The first of the new volumes has all the stories from the old volume 1, plus the first four stories from the old volume 2. The new volume 2 picks up from the old volume 2, and additionally has a dozen-or-so stories from the old volume 3. There are volumes 3 and 4 scheduled for the end of October, which will presumably cover all the remaining stories from the old 5-volume series.<br />
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Given that all this is a recipe for confusion, does anyone have any thoughts on how to record these. Varianting them to the old volumes doesn't seem to make any sense, because the middle two don't closely match the old volumes 2-4. Maybe having a new (sub?)series called something like "The Collected Stories of Philip K. Dick (Gollancz, 2023)" might be the best way of avoiding mixing them up with the old volumes? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:53, 17 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:I added Archive.org links to most (I think one was missing) of the Subterranean Press editions of his collected stories not too long ago so I thought I'd check to see what's there now and there is a British edition, https://archive.org/search?query=collected-stories+wub&sort=-addeddate. The only HarperCollins edition on ISFDB seems to be the same one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?537594, except price is slightly less, there are no overseas prices, and number line note doesn't make sense because British paperbacks don't usually have the 9-1 (or 9-2 in this case) number line, that's an American book thing only, I'm pretty sure. Editor was Hauck, one of those people who hate this site now and want nothing to do with it anymore, so if you want to use the archived copy to correct their work I don't think they'll care much, or maybe it's an alternate non-overseas edition in which case you might want to create a new record for it. EDIT: The synopsis in the title record for the collection Beyond Lies the Wub should really be in the story's title record, I think. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:30, 17 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Canonical name change Richard Magahiz from Rich Magahiz ==<br />
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Any objections to making [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?243358 Richard Magahiz] the canonical name and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?143850 Rich Magahiz] the alternate?<br />
*55 titles credited to Richard Magahiz.<br />
*29 titles credited to Rich Magahiz.<br />
*01 title has publications credited to each.<br />
SFPA bios (Star*Line, Eye to the Telescope, Dwarf Stars, Rhysling), LinkedIn, Instagram, Pinterest all use Richard Magahiz. Only site I see using Rich Magahiz is Flickr. Ill add these links to the canonical name. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:46, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Sounds like a good plan to me. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:27, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Yep, go ahead. Especially considering that most if not all new titles use Richard. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:57, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: changed, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:08, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Azzurra ==<br />
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I was doing something related to Thundercats books and one of those titles isn't on Archive.org but this similarly-titled thing is, https://archive.org/search?query=princess-azzurra&sort=-addeddate, in case anyone thinks it qualifies to be here and wants to enter it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:24, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Noyes, Platt ==<br />
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I let a mod know they misspelled Alfred Noyes' first name in a note which has now been fixed but while checking to see if there were any others I came across a note about this publisher, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?57420. There are 6 copies of the Bangs book from 5 different libraries on Archive.org, https://archive.org/search?query=noyes-platt&sort=title, in case anyone wants to add links assuming they're the same printing as the one entered on ISFDB. Also, while other books are art-related there is one possible genre book, Mother Goose's Menagerie. It is not in Wells' ISFDB record. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:47, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== William Relling Collections ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?655; Tragic suicide; also tragic is that both of his collections are very rare. The Infinite Man was previewed in a 1989 200-copy convention edition but never released in a trade edition. As for Along the Midway..., a site I mentioned a while back, Anna's Archive, has both the individual story of that title and what is supposedly the collection; story was in Omni and that seems to be public domain these days (it can be read at williamflew.com) but Anna's is the only place I've seen that claims to have a copy of the book. I was at a public library today and figured, what the hell, I'll download it. After changing the .epub to a .pdf I opened it and saw the cover, the next page which has a thumbnail of the cover, and then...the collection Glimpses by Rick Hautala. It's the WRONG BOOK 😠. The review on this page, http://www.dondammassa.com/2002r3.htm, mentions 2 stories so those and the title story can be imported, at least. I made a couple of edits to it last year according to edit history. RTrace did a whole bunch of secondary verifications for Infinite Man a few months ago; is it possible someone here owns one of those convention editions (online info is unreliable; an actual copy would be great)? On the plus side, even though Glimpses came out 10 years ago nobody ever entered the contents here so if anyone cares to they can do that; Amazon has a preview which includes the contents. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:56, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Canonical name change Jay Sturner from Jason Sturner ==<br />
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Any objections to making [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?285393 Jay Sturner] the canonical name and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?167883 Jason Sturner] an alternate?<br />
*23 titles credited to Jay Sturner.<br />
*08 titles credited to Jason Sturner<br />
*17 titles have publications credited to both.<br />
*01 title credited to Jason E. Schlismann.<br />
The author's website (the url does use jasonsturner), Goodreads and Amazon all use Jay Sturner. SFPA Rhysling bio uses Jason Sturner (2014 & 2015 anthologies). [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:45, 21 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: And Jay is the one currently in use - I'd say it is time to switch them around indeed. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:36, 21 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Changed, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:32, 22 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Michel Faber - Over a Certain Threshold? ==<br />
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I am working on the collection [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?961950 Some Rain Must Fall and Other Stories]. This contains a mixture of spec-fic (6 stories) and non-genre (9 stories). Could someone please advise whether the author [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?10428 Michel Faber] is considered to be [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Excluded over a certain threshold] so that I can deal with the non-genre stories appropriately. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:21, 21 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:As there has been no reply for more than two weeks, I shall proceed on the assumption that the author is above threshold. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:14, 6 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Thackery T. Lambshead ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?156126; I left a message with Paulotecario about making variants of the Portuguese edition's titles but while looking up G. J. Couzens / Gary Couzens it turned out after checking Archive.org that while Gary is used elsewhere the name at the end of the "story" is G. J. so the Portuguese editor is the only one who entered it correctly here. 1st edition on ISFDB has 1 active PV, 1 non-active for a long time who seems to be semi-active now, 1 non-active but still checks in, and 1 who I think is completely gone. So at least one of them should consult with this editor about the names and making sure the English ones are correct before he makes any variants. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:52, 22 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Irish Odyssey ==<br />
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While looking on Paul Pinn's archived site for a story he co-wrote with D. F. Lewis (couldn't find it) I discovered that Pinn had several pages offering some of his short stories (some very filthy including one that is on ISFDB only as by "uncredited" that nearly caused the zine it appeared in to go out of business). I added links but the last one, https://web.archive.org/web/20011024002257/http://www.paulpinn.com/morestories/, is from an Odyssey magazine that is not one of these, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=odyssey+m&type=Magazine. The editor has a page here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?31614, with no mention of the zine. Cold Tonnage has some covers, https://www.coldtonnage.com/quicksearch/all/odyssey%20lecky, and there were at least 7 issues. Pinn's story title appears nowhere in a search on Google (the only mention of the title is a song by the 70's UK rock band Slack Alice which translates as "Soldier of the World") so I'm guessing this is a very obscure zine; if anyone can find more info a lot of new stories can probably be entered here. EDIT: Pinn died back in 2016 so I added that and other stuff to his record here. EDIT: Some of his stories are by Paul E. Pinn so if anyone knows what the E stands for his legal name can be entered. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:19, 23 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Irma Chilton ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?223006; Chilton doesn't seem to have any English-language books on Archive.org but many of her books were translated into Welsh and one of them on this page, https://openlibrary.org/authors/OL500489A/Irma_Chilton?mode=ebooks&sort=old, has a vampire on the cover and so is likely a genre book, in case anyone here is familiar with that language and wants to enter it or any others that qualify. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:21, 24 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== From Time To Time ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?436; I added OL ID to original Scribner HC some time ago and today I added the Archive.org link, also added link to 1996 Scribner paperback, last page is picture credits with no page number, only one person actually entered the numbers as 303+[1], should other 304 page counts be changed to that, too, or should that be changed to 304, also should Schuck be removed from cover artists since she did design only? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:24, 25 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Berserkers ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?34563; One of those uploaders that provide completely searchable copies just uploaded the USA Pocket edition of Elwood's anthology which is hard to find these days. Ex-PV Bluesman who had a problem with dates, many of which have needed fixing by me or others, seems to have confused some info on the Canadian edition's copyright page and entered the cover art as April instead of June. If someone could read the notes and decide whether it should be June then it needs fixing. Also, the HC, which I somehow never added a link to until now even though it's been there for more than 2 years, had cover artist entered as Stanislaw even though someone wrote in the note that it said Stanislow but they just decided to "fix" it, so is the rule here to enter it as is? Also, note says he's credited on back flap but there's no info like that in the archived copy (bad framing?) but there is in this badly-shot photo from eBay, [https://www.picclickimg.com/images/g/to0AAOSwqdlk~TB6/s-l1600.jpg]. EDIT: A similar Trident HC/Pocket PB case here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?282516, where Bluesman wrote the same kind of note but in this case decided to make the month the same as the USA edition (?). I wonder how many more of these there are out there. EDIT: While looking into all this I stumbled on a recently uploaded (jacketless puke-green) copy of Joseph Elder's other anthology The Farthest Reaches so I added a link in case anyone was searching for that book. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:58, 26 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Continuum 3 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?34539; IF US PB artist was taken from HC why is his last name spelled differently? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:53, 26 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dream Science Fiction ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?27851; One of my D. F. Lewis story links was just approved and it originally appeared in the above-linked magazine so mod RTrace standardized issue titles as he usually does but I discovered that Luminist has most of the issues as PDF files. While adding links and replacing broken images I discovered that the last issue which was called Winter here was actually published in July! While fixing dates I also found that a story by Andy M. Smith was actually by Andy Smith and that a story by him in another issue says Andy M. on ISFDB, Andy on Contents page, but it's A. M. on story title page. I fixed these things which should be approved soon but I'm sure there's other stuff people can find that I missed. EDIT: Also, if anyone is going to link all those Smiths together I doubt the cover art credit by Andy Smith is the same as the one who wrote those stories 20 years earlier and it's also unlikely that the recent horror anthology edited by A. M. Smith is by the same guy, either, so there might be 3 variants of the SF writer's name plus 2 separate authors. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:28, 26 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Luminist Update ==<br />
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Related to my previous message, Luminist has recently updated their zine list, http://readitfree.org/FZ/FZ_updates.htm, in case anyone is looking for any of those issues. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:40, 26 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mondourania ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?2237; https://fantlab.ru/series8593; Cover images broken but FantLab has them if they need replacing; is that Italian site dead? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:23, 26 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Sci Fi Wire/ SyFy Wire - webzine or website? ==<br />
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I recently rejected an edit to change the type of the container title of {{P|968445|this publication}} from NONFICTION to ESSAY. The editor, who I believe is the author of the piece, questioned me about the rejection. I stand by the rejection as the edit would have put the publication into an invalid state. However, in looking further into the record, I'm not certain whether the publication should have been added in the first place. The essay in question is a review of a television show that was posted on the Sci Fi Wire site. Our [[ISFDB:Policy#Rules of Acquisition|ROA]] specifically exclude "Works published in a web-based publication and available exclusively as a Web page" unless they are explicitly included. The two exceptions under inclusions that may apply here are: "Webzines, which are defined as online periodicals with distinct issues (note that online periodicals without distinct issues are not considered webzines)." and "Online publications available exclusively as a Web page, but only if: published by a market which makes the author eligible for SFWA membership". Unfortunately, the link to SFWAs list of markets doesn't give an easy way to determine whether Sci Fi Wire was a market back in 2009 when the piece was published. They do not appear in the current list of markets. The archived link in the publication record does show a date for the item, and appears similar to how tor.com is presented in that respect. I don't follow the SyFy site, so I'd like to ask the community whether we want to consider Sci Fi Wire/SyFy Wire to be a webzine or a website? If the former, I think the publication in question can be converted to a magazine and the essay added. If it's a website, it appears to fall outside the ROA and should be deleted. Thoughts? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:29, 26 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Since it appears to be an essay about the television show ''Fringe'', it shouldn't be included as NONFICTION. I would consider Paul Levinson to be "above the threshold", so it could be included as an ESSAY if it's part of a distinct issue of the Sci Fi Wire. As far as I can tell (and remember), Sci Fi Wire was a blog-like news and information site about speculative fiction topics (books, TV, movies, etc.), and it never had distinct issues. Therefore, I don't think it should be included here unless it's part of a book or something that's reprinting it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:51, 26 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for opening this discussion. I can give the following info about Sci Fi Wire: It was a continually updated news site about science fiction related matters. It published news, reviews, etc about science fiction movies and TV shows, and (in case this is relevant), it was a paying market. According to SFWA rules (I was President of the organization from 1998-2001, and am a Lifetime Member), a sale like I made to Sci Fi Wire would have counted as a professional nonfiction sale, and satisfied a criterion for admission to SFWA as an Affiliate Member. Hope this helps, and it's fine with me whatever is decided about this publication for ISFDB [[User:PaulLev|PaulLev]] ([[User talk:PaulLev|talk]]) 01:15, 27 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Watchers Out of Time ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5777341; Cover mentioned in original note has a $6.95 Canadian price so it is a later one but both it and the OL cover I added which is the same as the archived copy's cover say USA price is $4.95. If anyone can show a cover with $4.50 I'd be surprised because none online say that so I'll chalk it up to a book entered long ago with faulty info. Also, Derleth isn't credited on title page as mentioned in the note; does that change anything as to how the book is credited here? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:05, 27 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The $4.50 price is from Locus1. I'd suggest double checking with the verifier of the second printing, which has a $4.95 price to determine whether second printing is explicitly stated in the book. My recollection is that Carroll & Graf is sometimes sloppy about printing history. It may be that the scan you're adding is of the second printing. Regardless of that outcome, your edit doesn't deal with the author credit. You'll need to remove Derleth from the publication record for each of the C&G publications, coordinating with the verifier. You can then unmerge the C&G title records, re-merge them with each other and make them into a new variant of the current parent title. Further, the date of the existing variant should be adjusted to 2008-10-14. You'll also need to remove the contents from each C&G record and replace them with the titles as by Lovecraft only. Finally, each of those will need to be varianted to the original titles by Lovecraft and Derleth. As I've noted before, it's helpful to the moderators to indicate in the moderator notes that you're doing a multi step process and that you intend to complete the edit with the next steps. Hope that helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:44, 27 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Gay Mormon Collections ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?135658; I randomly came across Zombies for Jesus and added Archive.org link + corrected page count; no contents entered, no stories in his record, descriptions on back cover make it sound like not all the stories are genre (he has a lot of "literary" credits), https://archive.org/search?query=townsend-johnny&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22 and https://archive.org/search?query=johnny-townsend&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22 reveal that he has at least 3 other archived collections plus there are a few others that sound promising on his OL page, https://openlibrary.org/authors/OL7587355A/Johnny_Townsend?sort=old, so if anyone actually wants to read them at least some of the stories probably belong here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:12, 27 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Gollancz - 10 new series titles ==<br />
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I had a Douglas Adams moment when I edited one of my books in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?9984 Gollancz SF] series - 14 titles in a series of 10.<br />
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Well, one thing led to another and now, after reviewing over 1,300 Gollancz publications in the years 1928 to 2000, I'm proposing some new series titles.<br />
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I've only dealt with publications where a cover image is available, and have dispensed with 'Gollancz' from 'Gollancz SF', to reduce clutter.<br />
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:* SF Series 1 - single zig-zag line border. {{P|213465|example}}<br />
:* SF Series 2 - two zig-zag lines across top. {{P|21849|example}}<br />
:* SF Series 3 - SF in black top. {{P|46199|example}}<br />
:* SF Series 4 - SF in shield. {{P|284012|example}}<br />
:* SF Series 5 - Gollancz SF in square box, various colours. {{P|288453|example}}<br />
:* SF Series 6 - this would be the current 'Gollancz SF' series (with rounded corners) re-named. {{P|766238|example}}<br />
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:* Gollancz Anthology - in different genres, 2 border lines with author names/ themes within. {{P|270834|example}}<br />
:* Gollancz Detection {{P|271629|example}}<br />
:* Gollancz Suspense {{P|302985|example}}<br />
:* Gollancz Originals {{P|53463|example}}<br />
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Comments please. Kev. [[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:06, 28 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:This sounds good to me. If possible, I'd include the years for each in the notes for each series, possibly in the title of the series. Perhaps "Gollancz SF (1928-1935)" (the years are just an example as I have no idea the years covered by each). That will make it easier to place volumes into the appropriate series. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:48, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Thanks for your input Joe. I had considered including dates in the series titles but concluded it isn't practicable. The main reason is that the series overlap considerably. As these are are arbitrarily separated out series we don't have any firm start/finish dates - our only guidance is the dating (and some are undated) for the publications we have in the database. If subsequent editions are found which fall out of range of any existing stated criteria this may be confusing/exclusionary.<br />
::On reflection, I think it might be better, as you imply, to include "Gollancz" in the titling; to read, for instance "Gollancz SF Series 1".<br />
::As can be seen from the examples, these are only serialised according to their cover layouts; I had collectors in mind whilst thinking about the whole thing. In the title containers, I would be adding notes explaining qualifying criteria (so often missing), with a link to a 'prime' example, and also something about the date range(s) for the ones we have on record. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:28, 6 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Then I suggest using similar disambiguation as used with authors or titles: "Gollancz SF Series" for the first one, then "Gollancz SF Series (2)" or "Gollancz SF Series (II)", "Gollancz SF Series (3)" or "Gollancz SF Series (III)", and so on, where the description of how to identify the series is given on the series page. I agree with the four lower series naming except for the anthology one. The example you provided doesn't show "Gollancz Anthology" (unlike the others, which show the suggested titles). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:09, 9 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::I take your point about "Gollancz Anthology". I was looking for commonality - there are 14 publications with the cover layout like that, and they are all anthologies. To be consistent, it would be better to use the "Gollancz SF Series (n)" construction and the fact that they are anthologies would be recorded in the series title notes. Thanks for the thought. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 13:46, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== H. R. Giger's Necronomicon ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/hr-giger-necronomicon; https://archive.org/details/hr-giger-necronomicon-1977_202309; Strangely enough this is not on ISFDB (#2 is) in case anyone fluent wants to enter it (I think later copy was just ripped from original uploader because they look the same). Language is, um, German, I think? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:28, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== C$ Tolkien ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_publisher&O_2=contains&TERM_2=methuen&USE_3=author_canonical&O_3=contains&TERM_3=tolkien&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication]; [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_publisher&O_2=contains&TERM_2=magnum&USE_3=author_canonical&O_3=contains&TERM_3=tolkien&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication]; I added links to 2 of these Canadian editions today and some editors entered publisher normally and others entered it with (Canada), most are PV so a consensus should be reached about whether they belong with parent publisher names or really should be separated. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:26, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Nouveau Space Opera ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1987278; I'd like to add a link to this book but there are 2 records that seem like they're the same. One should probably be deleted or merged and, once done, I'll add the link. Earlier one was entered by Hauck (hates ISFDB now so I don't think they'd care much if their record was gone) while the other was entered much later. EDIT: The one with 667 pages is correct because last page is unnumbered; price is also correct. Also, Hauck may not have entered the other one, he just made an edit and approved a couple of others. Must have been one of those early edits before records were kept. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:53, 30 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Fantascienza ==<br />
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I was looking for something by using the term "della fantascienza" and didn't find it but these, https://archive.org/search?query=%22della+fantascienza%22&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22, came up in case any can prove useful to anyone; the Robot magazine, in particular, looks promising. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:54, 30 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== This World Is Taboo ==<br />
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{{T|3533|This World Is Taboo}} is currently listed as a novel with a title record note of "first appeared as 'Pariah Planet' in Amazing, July 1961". A word count of the {{P|272861|Project Gutenberg edition}} (which is a transcription of the Ace Book edition) shows it to be 35,932 words (so a novella and not a novel). A comparison of the [https://archive.org/details/Amazing_Stories_v35n07_1961-07_UnkSc-cape1736/page/n5/mode/2up Amazing Stories, July 1961 Internet Archive scan] shows the text of {{T|60646|Pariah Planet}} to match that of "This World Is Taboo". So "This World Is Taboo" should be converted to a novella and varianted to "Pariah Planet". This would also require converting {{T|136377|The Med Series}} from an omnibus to a collection as all contents would then be short fiction.<br />
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I will be notifying all the active verifiers of pubs containing "This World Is Taboo" and pointing them to this centralized conversation. If there are no objections, I will convert the novel to a novella in a few days. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 06:42, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No objections to converting. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:30, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5780069. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:35, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Works for me as well. The Project Gutenberg version of "Pariah Planet" contains 35,002 words, but the difference may be due to the extensive footers and headers (copyright statements etc) that PG tends to add. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:44, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Imported the story text of both PG versions (excluding headers, footers, page numbers) into Word and did a compare. Pariah has 34,041 words and Taboo has 35,932 words. There has been some editing between the two versions including a scattering of an additional explanatory sentence here and there. All in all, it's close enough to consider the same work. I will add an explanatory note to both title records when varianting. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:48, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::: Ok with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:30, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::Support the change.15:58, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::Works for me, thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 23:25, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::: Ok with me too. --[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] ([[User talk:Dirk P Broer|talk]]) 11:16, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::Sounds good to me. Definitely include the above information in the note for the TITLE record. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:45, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Changes made as discussed. Thanks all. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:37, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== More than one edition? ==<br />
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Hi. I just heard of this at Capclave this weekend. Looked up my one published (so far) novel, 11,000 Years. <br />
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Problem: the original publisher, the late Eric Flint's Ring of Fire Press, was shut down after his death. The novel is now *republished* by another publisher. I don't see "other editions", or any obvious reasonable way to add this info (which is important to me, since it *is* now back in print.<br />
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Thanks in advance. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Whitroth|Whitroth]] ([[User talk:Whitroth|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Whitroth|contribs]]) .</small> 08:18, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3054628. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:59, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Since the new editions will have different ISBNs and publishers, they are just a new publication under the same title. You can certainly add notes to both the title and publication records as well. It looks like the tp edition was added by Fixer back in August but the ebook is yet to be added. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 12:35, 3 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?13521; If you enter anything I think the publisher should be changed in some way to differ it from the one that did magazines 50 years ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:27, 3 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Cute, Amazon. Per the Look-inside views, the publisher is actually Novus Mundi Publishing. If you want me to do the edits and clone for the ebook, I can but you can do it yourself. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 17:09, 3 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Fosses d'Iverson ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=dan+simmons+fosses; I was doing a bunch of Dan Simmons edits and came across that French edition where they packaged his story "Iverson's Pits" into its own separate book; in case anyone here who's fluent wants to enter it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:15, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Beyond the Doors of Death ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5781424; Title date is different than date of both editions, intro is entered with one of those dates while Broderick's original story is entered with the other date, what should the real date be for all of these? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:55, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Complete Cthulhu Mythos Tales ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5781813; I'm not sure which of those 3 page counts is correct. Last numbered page is 593 but there's an "About the Artist" page following it which probably shouldn't count but the editor of the Sterling edition here entered 594 and also has the Roman numerals one higher than the Fall River edition, so maybe Sterling added an extra page to the book and the last numbered page really is 594. If anyone owns Fall River, B&N first printing or Sterling all that can be checked and fixed as needed. Also, does ISFDB software know not to import titles already there? Because I think it removed intro automatically which someone added to all 3 editions. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:02, 3 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jane Gaskell Sphere Editions ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=jane+gaskell+sphere&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=year%3A%221967%22; Those books have prices and dates which are the same as what's on ISFDB but the covers are totally different; anybody who knows the history of these UK paperbacks where they change covers and nothing else may know what year these are really from and would like to enter them here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:50, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Who Is N. Dalby? ==<br />
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https://richarddalbyslibrary.com/products/all-hallows-3-1991-the-journal-of-the-ghost-story-society-barbara-roden-christopher-roden-ash-tree-press-4; I suspect the N. Dalby credited on p. 13 is actually Richard Dalby; does anyone own this issue who can look for a signature on the artwork if there is one? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:17, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Late Victorian Gothic Tales ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?448651; I added an archived 2009 edition (7th printing) just now and was nearly fooled into cut-and-pasting the page count from the 2009 edition already on ISFDB until my usual paranoia caused me to check the copy itself only to discover count is much higher, 282 pages. Does anyone own the first printing who can check and fix count if needed? There's no edit history; I'm sure all printings are 282 and the wrong info is from Amazon or some other unreliable site. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:44, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Balzac ==<br />
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Looking for the year of publication by P. F. Collier & Son New York For The First Complete Translation into English Honore de Balzac in Twenty-Five volumes? There is not ISBN number. The covers are green with gold lettering and HB is embossed on the cover and binder side. {{unsigned|Tina.adams}}<br />
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: I have this edition in my collection, but it's currently boxed and I can't get to it. Luckily, you can view and/or download individual volumes of this edition from Google Books, e.g. [https://www.google.com/books/edition/Honor%C3%A9_de_Balzac_in_Twenty_five_Volumes/I_RDAAAAYAAJ?hl=en Volume 25]. There is "MCM" at the bottom of the title page, which is Roman numerals for "1900". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:12, 5 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::I too have this collection which is why I was enquiring. I inherited it along with a collection of Robert Louis Stevenson published in New York by Charles Scriberner's Sons from 1905. {{unsigned|Tina.adams}}<br />
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:::https://archive.org/search?query=%22+p.+f.+collier%22+balzac+volumes&sort=title. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:35, 5 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Nick Smith ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?41231; The Smith who wrote the 4 novels is from England and born in 1972 (I've been adding stuff to Luath Press books and his bio is on their site) so is not the same Smith who did everything else on the page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:15, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Novelist has been separated out. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:40, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Alexander Forbes ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?127476; A copy of Radio Gunner was uploaded earlier this year so I have an edit pending with a link, either the story is by some youngster or they reprinted something by the older guy, also FantLab has someone with a similar name who illustrated an old book that seems to be about fairies judging by some of the scanned photos (Blue Fairy, maybe?), https://fantlab.ru/art9514, but his dates don't match the novelist so probably a different Forbes, if anyone can translate maybe they can decide whether the fairy book belongs here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:56, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Canonical name change Xan van Rooyen from Suzanne van Rooyen ==<br />
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Any objections to making [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?328437 Xan van Rooyen] the canonical name and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?165580 Suzanne van Rooyen] an alternate?<br />
* 15 titles credited to Xan van Rooyen.<br />
* 14 titles credited to Suzanne van Rooyen.<br />
The about section on the [http://suzannevanrooyen.com/about-xan/ author's website] (the url does use suzannevanrooyen) is titled Xan van Rooyen and the author explicitly asks to be called Xan. All titles since 2020 are credited to Xan van Rooyen. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:32, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Sounds good to me. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:03, 9 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Hearing no objections, the relationship has been reversed. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:07, 13 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== ESFS ==<br />
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While searching for something I came across this, https://fantlab.ru/award30; I don't see that award on ISFDB so maybe this can be something useful to enter for someone. There's a few mentions of it in notes, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/note_search_results.cgi?OPERATOR=contains&NOTE_VALUE=esfs. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:14, 8 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Falcons ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5785847; I entered Book of Lyonne here nearly 2 years ago; today I came across 2 eBay listings with 12 photos each. I see the reason I didn't enter the price back then is because FantLab has a price-clipped photo but eBay copies are not clipped. I think all 8 Peake drawings are viewable; I see the lion on the frontispiece, a weird hybrid creature with an umbrella, a little man-beast smoking a cigar, the lion with a Japanese lady, a tiptoeing elephant, a couple of ducks, a monkey diving at a bird, and a group shot of a bunch of animals following the lion around a tree. I also want to clear up the Falcon Press mess which I believe I asked about a long time ago without success. Per the note the UK publisher used both Falcon Press and The Falcon Press; I suppose it's possible that the UK Frazetta book published more than 20 years after the others is by the same publisher but I doubt it. Then there's Wilson's 2 US books and a much later reprint of a Robert W. Chambers book. So we've got 1, possibly 2, UK and 1, possibly 2, US Falcons. If anyone's interested and can provide more info I'm sure we can separate all of them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:30, 8 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Elizabeth Davis ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?210874; Someone recently entered Old Woman and I followed up with a PENDING edit fixing/adding stuff; the story & poem almost certainly belong to one of the other Davises but they're both contemporary so it's hard to say which. I would guess it's (I) but her webpage isn't found online and typing the titles of the story and poem together on Google gets nothing so no online bibliography, it seems. EDIT: Davis (I) webpage, https://www.elizabethdavis.mercierdavis.com/, is found if you type it directly into the URL bar but her bibliography ends in 2021; both story and poem are 2022. The search goes on. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:57, 8 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Smashwords Author Images ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5786282; Coming across that awful author photo annoyed me so much I tried to replace it but Amazon seems to no longer have that one and now has 2 that are equally worthless; one is an "S" image that ISFDB doesn't like and the other isn't actually a photo but some kind of cartoon drawing. I resorted to looking at the old ISFDB "image linking permissions" page and decided to try Smashwords, found his photo, checked to see how the image is supposed to be entered, and to my great surprise it worked. Then I decided to do an advanced author search for images containing either "cloudfront" or "smashwords" and got nothing. So is it possible that this will be the only Smashwords photo on ISFDB? Anyway, anyone looking for images on Amazon who can't find any or only bad ones, try Smashwords. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:13, 9 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
: 230 publications use smashword images as of 13:43, 9 October 2023. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:43, 9 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Authors is what I was referring to. Book covers are usually uploaded on many sites but photos are often unique. I searched this page, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_selection.cgi?author, for "Author Image contains smashwords" and got nothing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:08, 9 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I approved the submission, but then uploaded the image from their Amazon author page as it wasn't blurry like the Smashwords image. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:01, 9 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mary M. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?60641; A mod just entered a 1984 novel with a jacket credit by Mary Mietzelfeld that I added plus other stuff, usual paranoia caused me to search for similar names and I got the link above, I imported cover credit into '85 US and Canada and changed the date, there's also a 16th printing that has the cover credit but no cover, lots of PV for various editions so they may want to look into this and figure out where the credit came from since notes imply there's no credit in the book for some or all of the editions. Only other credit on Google I can find for "Mary Meitzelfeld" is a 1970's Mario Puzo book so I'd think Mietzelfeld is the correct spelling. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:06, 9 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== 2nd Utopia Awards ==<br />
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I asked a few months ago if the [https://www.clificon.com/nominees-voting Utopia Awards for Utopian/Climate fiction] could be added, and I was told it would be better to wait for for it to have at least a second year. Since the second edition was awarded this week, could it be added to the database now? The award is connected to the [https://www.clificon.com/schedule-1/2023-utopia-awards-climate-fiction-conference Climate Fiction Conference], which was held yesterday, and it appeared on [https://locusmag.com/2023/10/2023-utopia-awards/ Locus Magazine], so it has some grounding. My apologies if the request is inadequate.<br />
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: Thanks for the update! When we create a new Award Type, we populate the following fields:<br />
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:* Short Name, e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?44 "World Fantasy"]<br />
:* Full Name, e. g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?44 "World Fantasy Award"]<br />
:* Awarded For, e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?44 "Fantasy and horror"]<br />
:* Awarded By, e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?44 "Panel of judges chosen by the World Fantasy Awards Administration"]<br />
:* Poll (Yes/No)<br />
:* Covers more than just SF (Yes/No)<br />
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: I am trying to find information that we would need to populate these fields. So far I have had limited success. [https://www.android-press.com/clificon23/2022-utopia-award-nominees This Android Press page] seems to suggest that nominees are chosen by Android Press and the winners are determined by online voters, but it's not clear. Is there an online description of the award sponsors, nominee qualifications, award categories and the award selection process? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:16, 10 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: [https://twitter.com/solarpunklitmag/status/1651227649417650179 The nomination was also open to the public], though online voters, so both the nominees and the winners were chosen by the public. [https://www.clificon.com/nominations This link] had the rules of the qualifications during the voting process, but it's no longer visible since it was a Google formulary (like the British SF awards), from what I recall when I voted, the focus was on speculative stories (both sci fi and fantasy) about climate fiction or with an utopian/positive bent published in the previous year. You can see the categories [https://www.clificon.com/nominees-voting here]. {{unsigned|Alittlebook}}<br />
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:::https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdHgetVmOb28bWcU-W3pUIFc3d6IP5GH5V6Z620bjhyTGAygg/viewform. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:37, 11 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Thanks to [[User:Alittlebook]] for the clarifications and to [[User:Username]] for the link to the [https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdHgetVmOb28bWcU-W3pUIFc3d6IP5GH5V6Z620bjhyTGAygg/viewform 2023 nomination form].<br />
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:::: The form says that the award is given to "works ... that exemplify hopeful, utopian fiction (science fiction, fantasy, climate fiction...)", which we can use to populate the "Awarded For" field.<br />
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:::: The one outstanding question is the name of the body that administers the award, which we need for the "Awarded By" field. It would appear that it is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?78816 Android Press], whose first major project was [https://www.android-press.com/about Solarpunk Magazine] (2022-) and which is associated with (sponsors?) [https://www.clificon.com/ annual Climate Fiction Conferences]. Is there a statement explaining the relationship between these bodies/organizations and which one(s) administer the Utopia Awards? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:43, 11 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: From what I gathered, Solarpunk Magazine is a project done by Android Press, who created/hosted the Utopia Awards and the Climate Fiction Conference. They held a [https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/androidpress/utopia-awards-and-climate-fiction-conference Kickstarter] to fund it last year. From the description of the fundraiser, the inaugural award had their nominees chosen by an invited panel of publishing houses and magazine editors, but they shifted for public voting this year. Also, my apologies for not signing my earlier posts, I had forgotten how to, lol [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 14:06, 11 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Thanks, the [https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/androidpress/utopia-awards-and-climate-fiction-conference Kickstarter link] is very useful. So basically the core organization behind the award is [https://www.android-press.com/about Android Press], which has [https://www.android-press.com/about/android-crew 8 editors]. They organize annual "Climate Fiction Conferences" and administer the Utopia Award.<br />
:::::: We have come across publisher-administered "awards" which were actually ploys to promote the publisher's books, but in this case I don't think it's a concern. The fact that their Kickstarter was successfully funded to the tune of $5,000 is pretty convincing evidence that it's a genuine "subgenre award".<br />
:::::: Any objections to creating a new Award Type for this award? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:57, 11 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: Oh yeah, out of 47 nominees this year, only 2 are connected to one of their branches (a poem and a single short story from the Solarpunk Magazine; the authors of both works campaigned a lot during the voting, so it didn't felt like a sketchy result, and neither of them won). I followed their proccess because I'm interested in climate fiction/solarpunk and it seemed like a genuine push for the subgenre's visibility. [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 20:09, 11 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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=== Outcome of the "Utopia Awards" discussion ===<br />
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Hearing no objection, I have created a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?112 new Award Type] for "Utopia Award" as well as 9 award categories. Everything should be ready for "Add Award" submissions to be created. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:38, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks! I'm adding the awards little by little, just a question: the winner of the Anthology category this year was a special issue of Omenana, a magazine. It seems like I can't add awards to magazine issues, what should I do about it? [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 16:20, 15 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: According to [https://www.clificon.com/nominees-voting this list], the award was given to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?906921 the July, 2022 issue] aka "Issue #22" aka "Positive Visions of Democracy". As per [[Help:Screen:AddAward]]:<br />
:::ISFDB supports two different types of awards. Although they are entered and modified using the same Web pages, they are quite different and it's important to understand the difference before you start entering or editing awards. The two award types are as follows:<br />
:::* '''Title-based Awards (including Cover Art)''': Most awards are given to individual ISFDB titles, e.g. novels, non-fiction, short stories, cover art and so on. Note that these titles MUST already exist in ISFDB before you can add awards to them. If you want to add an award to a title that is not in ISFDB, then you have to enter that title first, wait for the submission to be approved and then enter the title's award(s).<br />
:::* '''Other awards''': ISFDB also supports awards given to individuals beyond their specific works, e.g. Lifetime Achievement awards. In addition, it supports awards given to publishers, editors, title series, and non-ISFDB items such as web sites, movies, graphic novels, and never-published stories (such as runner-ups in various "new story" awards). These awards are referred to as "Untitled Awards" because they are not associated with ISFDB title records.<br />
:: In this case we are dealing with an award given to a magazine issue, which is a ''publication'' as opposed to a ''title''. However, each MAGAZINE (or FANZINE) publication has an EDITOR title associated with it. It's displayed next to the words "Editor Title" right above the "Contents" line. If you follow the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3058619 link to the EDITOR title], you will see the "Add an Award to This Title" option under "Editing Tool".<br />
:: Keep in mind that an EDITOR title like "Omenana - 2022" can be shared by multiple magazine issues if they all have the same editor(s) and year of publication. Adding awards/nominations can get tricky if only one of the issues associated with the same EDITOR title is nominated. However, in this case this EDITOR title is associated with a single magazine issue, so it shouldn't be a problem.[[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:14, 15 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Got it. Just did like you said, thanks! [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 16:20, 15 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Vorzimer ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=vorzi&type=Name; Who should be parent? They're about even. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:42, 10 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: {{A|Peter Vorzimer}} was the way he was credited in the fanzine that he edited ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?227487 Abstract]) while {{A|Peter J. Vorzimer}} was the way he was credited when writing letters to {{A|Richard E. Geis}}'s [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?31311 Science Fiction Review (1st Series)]. Since "EDITOR" generally has more weight than "ESSAY" for the purposes of "best known within the genre", I made {{A|Peter Vorzimer}} the canonical name and {{A|Peter J. Vorzimer}} its alternate. Thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:56, 11 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks. I wonder if his disappearance after a few years had anything to do with this, https://latimes.newspapers.com/article/the-los-angeles-times-woman-struck-by-au/127127953/, assuming it's the same guy; the zine WAS published in California. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:21, 11 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Page 1 of the [https://fanac.org/fanzines/Abstract/ first issue of ''Abstract''] lists the publisher's address: 1311 N. Laurel Ave., W. Hollywood 46, Calif. The linked LA Times article has the same address, so it's the same person. I have added the middle name to the "legal name" field.<br />
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::: That said, the accident happened on March 17, 1954, but he continued to publish the fanzine until 1955, so it's not clear what the fallout of the accident was. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:55, 11 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Amazon URL ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5787245; It happens now and then where a URL will be different but image looks the same and is the same size. Is there no benefit to replacing or is it better to have a newer URL? Why does this happen? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:32, 11 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The sizes are actually slightly different, so the images are presumably also different, although the differences are imperceptible to the naked eye. As to why Amazon has two almost identical images, it's hard to tell. Their images come from different sources and we don't know what they are, so it may be any number of things. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:57, 11 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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EDIT: Also, my spell check doesn't like the editor's note "mis-numbers" and has a red line under the mis part; it's a legit word so I wonder if anyone else sees that, too? I did a note search and that's the only use of that word on all of ISFDB with or without the dash; editor must have been hooked on phonics that day. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:32, 11 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Spellchecking is handled by your browser as opposed to the ISFDB server. These days most browsers come with built-in spellcheckers and they usually let you add new words like "mis-numbers" to the list of recognized words. You can also install a custom browser add-on to handle spellchecking and grammar validation if you want a more sophisticated tool. There are a number of popular ones like [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/languagetool/ LanguageTool]. I am not sure how useful they would be since our Notes tend to use a lot of abbreviated sentences, but there is no harm in giving them a try. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:57, 11 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Plant Rage ==<br />
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https://fantlab.ru/edition388900; I was adding a link explaining the history of Stephen King's rare The Plant and came across that weird FantLab page where it seems a Russian publisher combined both Plant and King's hard-to-find 1977 Richard Bachman novel Rage which he hasn't allowed to be reprinted as a standalone novel in the USA because it concerns school shootings. So anyone fluent in Russian may want to add that book here since it contains 2 King works that haven't been reprinted endlessly. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:00, 12 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== By by ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?692274; OL-only archived copy, unusual for such a recent book, so I added a link and page numbers and corrected page count. I happened to notice that O'Regan's story was missing the word by at the end so I added that but I capitalized it in opposition to what this page says, https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:AllFields:Case, because it has a different meaning in this title rather than being "by" someone. I looked at these, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=passed+by&type=Fiction+Titles, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=passes+by&type=Fiction+Titles, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=passing+by&type=Fiction+Titles, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=pass+by&type=Fiction+Titles. Most are like O'Regan's title as I entered it with the majority being capitalized but a few aren't; also, I think Tarzia's poem in the last link is the only one that uses it in the possessive so that is probably a legitimate use of the small b. What does anyone else think? Some will need to be changed to make everything standard. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:48, 13 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Best of the Midwest's SFFH ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?348698; I made some edits for this book a long time ago and today found that the story by Douglas Graham is actually by D. Douglas Graham who has another story in the book by that name; I fixed that in a pending edit but while doing that I noticed that the stories are illustrated with the artists' names listed on the contents page but the search function on Google Books is not great and it's hard to find anything specific with accuracy. I see some pretty big names like Marge Simon, David Transue (who did Volume II's cover), etc. So if anyone knows how to get a look at the full copy a lot of artist credits can be entered; there seems to be no preview of Volume II but I'm guessing that's probably illustrated, too. These are rare books; the second one was recalled due to cover problems. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:37, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Hobgoblin ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?337356; I did a lot of John Coyne edits some time ago, doing more today, a lot of his HC editions on Archive.org are book club editions which aren't on ISFDB, I'm ignoring those but this one, https://archive.org/search?query=+hobgoblin00coyn&sort=-addeddate, is interesting, it says book club on front flap but, unlike other club editions, it's much longer, 307 pages, than what's on ISFDB. Library of Congress says 304 pages. So if anyone knows what non-club edition's count is, let us know. I'd like to add a link to the archived copy somewhere. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:59, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Maiden, Matron, Crone ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?168059; I added archived link to $7.50 edition in a PENDING edit; should the other edition be deleted? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:43, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Duplicate deleted. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:33, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Christina Sng ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5790172; I've added full contents but there's a problem with the last 2 poems. Her website's bibliography says 9/02 for this (Sng's title is not seen because contents are incomplete), https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439266, and it turns out it says "September" clearly on the cover so I don't know why it was entered here as October; do all dates need changing? Also, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?310470, where her site says "Turtle Shell" appeared in this issue but it says "The Scarecrow" here; I noticed the next poem by another author is "Scarecrow" so I have a feeling 2 poems got mixed up and Sng's title should be changed. However, that would require someone looking at an actual copy of this rare zine; can anyone help? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:39, 15 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Captain Shark ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?25623; Recent upload of Jaws, added a link and cover credit for famed artist Hector Garrido, none of the copies on eBay for By Pirate's Blood show copyright page, likely same artist judging by style but can't be positive, anyone own a copy? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:14, 15 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Puleo ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?184633; http://www.bewilderingstories.com/bios/puleo_bio.html; I came across this randomly and thought I'd start adding bios from that site for obscure people who don't have bios elsewhere online but I may have picked a very bad one to start with. There are numerous online newspaper sites from Kentucky, where the bio linked above says Puleo lives, detailing the arrest on child pornography charges of a Carl Puleo/Carl A. Puleo/Carl Anthony Puleo. I don't want to link to any of those sites but many of them include his picture (as do sites like therapist.com since that was his job before he was arrested) which show him to be a middle-aged white male, sometimes with a beard and sometimes not. Care must be taken not to associate the Puleo on ISFDB with the other one unless some proof can be found that they're one and the same. It's very unlikely that the issue of Vampire Dan's where his poem appeared can be found but his bio mentions Anotherealm, an online site which which has only been spottily entered here and which, on Archive.org, doesn't have any mention of the name Puleo in a URL search. I did add a note a long time ago to Edward E. Kramer's record here detailing the reason why his genre work ended in 2000 was because of similar charges but in that case his crimes are well-documented on his Wikipedia page and it's clearly the same person. So if anyone can find definitively that author Puleo is the same as criminal Puleo then I will add details to his record (and also his middle name, Anthony). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:21, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Please come participate... ==<br />
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...in [[Rules and standards discussions#Numbering of pages numbered in the ToC but not numbered themselves|this discussion]] on page numbering questions. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:09, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Lawrence the Artist ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?27810; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791436; Photo was probably taken in the mid-20th century but doesn't look much better than the one taken of Jack the Ripper's last victim in 1888; also, he bears a disturbing resemblance to a certain German dictator. More to the point, FantLab says birth year is 1884 as do some other sites online; is 1886 accurate? Also, FantLab just says he died in 1960 with no day or month so the accuracy of those entered here may not be right, either. Clouding this whole issue is this, https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/187880368/lawrence-sterne-stevens, which seems to be the same guy judging by the picture but says 1885; headstone says the same (and 1960) but provides no days or months. Wow; messy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:37, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Micromania ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?482014; https://picclick.com/?q=micromania+langford; I recently uploaded the cover, it was just approved, format says TP but cover looks like HC to me, Sphere PB has totally different ISBN (and cover), so either format should be changed to HC or there is a TP edition (but there's no proof of that online). Not sure what "adapted for the UK" on Langford's site means; did Platt have an American edition first? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:18, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== AbeBooks Links ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5786883; About this rejection, it's not correct that sale links aren't accepted because there's a whole bunch of them that were, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/webpages_search_results.cgi?OPERATOR=contains&WEBPAGE_VALUE=abebooks (the first one on that page doesn't count, it's Julie Abe's Facebook site), with at least the last one being entered by me last year and accepted with no problem, so can someone suggest how I can get that link accepted? Is there a mod here who doesn't have a problem with accepting them? Most of the AbeBooks links entered on ISFDB are still working and even when the product is sold many of the listings still remain on PicClick, Google Cache, Archive.org (https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://www.abebooks.com/signed-first-edition*), etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:36, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bioshock: Rapture ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?397958; I added archived TP link in PENDING edit, nearly got fooled into "fixing" page count to 427, usual paranoia caused me to check archived PB, it's 430, so either ex-library TP is ragged and last few pages fell out/got ripped out or Tor printers messed up. Does anyone own the TP who can verify that it ends on 430 and not 427? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:44, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ladies of Horror Fiction Award ==<br />
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Hello earthlings, I come forward with another micro award I found. <br />
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The Ladies of Horror Fiction Awards (short form: LOHF Award) was horror award given to woman authors in 2020 (for works from 2019), 2021 (for works from 2020) and 2022 (for works from 2021) by a [https://www.facebook.com/LadiesofHorrorFiction/ self-proclaimed grasshoots organization] aimed at uplifting women authors. From what I saw, they worked mostly as a website posting reviews and the award itself, and later changed to HorrorSpotlight and seem to have dropped the award entirely after the name change. Here's the Locus Magazine post about the winners from [https://locusmag.com/2020/07/2019-ladies-of-horror-fiction-awards-winners/ 2020], [https://locusmag.com/2021/07/2020-ladies-of-horror-fiction-awards-winners/ 2021] and [https://locusmag.com/2022/06/2021-ladies-of-horror-fiction-awards-winners/ 2022]. From what I gathered, they were [https://web.archive.org/web/20210609181523/https://www.ladiesofhorrorfiction.com/2019/01/08/ladies-of-horror-fiction-awards/ juri-based] (chosen by the people who mantained the Ladies of Horror Fiction website/organization), and besides the typical categories of Novel, YA, MG, Debut, Collection, Poetry Collection. Novella and Short Fiction, they also had a special category in their last year called Readers Choice, which was open for the public to vote. From what I understood from the [https://locusmag.com/2022/06/2021-ladies-of-horror-readers-choice/ Locus Magazine post about the Readers Choice category], they worked as honorary mentions for the 2022 LOFT Awards, since they listed ten different works with no specific sole winner. Their 2020 award also listed short fiction under honorable mentions, with no specific winners. [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 14:11, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Our main concern with minor awards is separating legitimate awards from promotional "awards" given by publishers to their own authors as well as "awards" given by individuals to their friends. Given the fact that [https://www.facebook.com/LadiesofHorrorFiction/about the Facebook page] run by "Ladies of Horror Fiction" has 1.7K followers I think it's a reasonably safe bet that this falls on the "legitimate award" side and therefore eligible for inclusion. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:16, 1 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Good to know! I've been taking notes on awards who aren't in the database already and slowly gathering info about them, if LOHF is added I'll work on adding the winners/nominees for it after finishing Argos. [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 00:32, 2 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Hearing no objection, I have created a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?114 new Award Type for Ladies of Horror Fiction Fiction Award]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:39, 10 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bear's Lost Souls ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?211621; I added archived links in PENDING edits to 3 editions of Greg Bear's Psychlone and noticed the edition re-titled Lost Souls had a small dark cover uploaded by, um, me in 2022. Oops. It's better than the raggedy creased cover uploaded by someone else way back in 2010 but the problem is that almost every cover currently online is the same as the one I uploaded, gregbear.com, FantLab, Open Library, etc.; the creased cover image seems to have totally disappeared (except on the Wiki page here, of course) or maybe it was someone's personal copy. The one eBay copy has a far-away tiny photo with a cracked spine and someone's bookcase in the background. Then I had a vague memory that there was a site devoted to Ace Books (not Bookscans because they end in 1980 and this edition is 1982); I found a page, http://people.uncw.edu/smithms/Ace_5N4.html, but ominously clicking the book's cover link does absolutely nothing. That sparked a memory that while editing some time ago I noticed that images from that site are broken so I assume the server where the images were kept is dead. No problem, I thought, I'll go for the archived image; only problem is I got this, [https://web.archive.org/web/20111105034307/http://people.uncw.edu/smithms/Ace%20singles/s5N-series/49492-7.jpg]. Here's a list of books with an image URL from that site, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_frontimage&O_2=contains&TERM_2=people.uncw.edu&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication], most are PV and a few that aren't are non-fiction books that don't really belong here, although there are a few non-PV books that do belong so I'll see if I can replace those. PV of all the others should probably replace theirs, too. As for Lost Souls, chime in if you can find a good cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:21, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Here is [http://people.uncw.edu/smithms/Ace%20singles/s5N-series/49492-7.jpg correct link] for the cover image file. Unfortunately, it is spoiled by a watermark in the lower right corner. --[[User:Zlogorek|Zlogorek]] ([[User talk:Zlogorek|talk]]) 03:23, 30 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Censored Breast ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?27207; I left a note to PV Stoecker about the last book in Ladd's record (which I've added an Archive.org link to, not approved yet) letting him know the artist stopped doing cover art in the mid-80s so that 1994 cover is likely re-used from somewhere else. While doing this I noticed the first book in Ladd's record, which has a collage on the cover, uses the girl from 1980's The Northern Girl but this book came out in 1978. Also, the US covers are censored; the 1978 book shows full nipple as do the 3 foreign editions of Northern Girl but the 3 US editions have an added lock of hair covering one of the breasts. I believe MagicUnk and Willem H. PV the 1978 book so they may want to variant or something similar to Northern Girl's cover, PV of US editions may want to add a note about the censorship, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:25, 19 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== A. Smothers ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=author_canonical&O_1=contains&TERM_1=alexa&C=AND&USE_2=author_canonical&O_2=contains&TERM_2=smothers&USE_3=author_canonical&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=author_canonical&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=author_canonical&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=author_canonical&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=author_canonical&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=author_canonical&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=author_canonical&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=author_canonical&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=author_canonical&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Author]; same person, 2 different websites. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:13, 19 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The artist's name is shown the same way (Alexa "Dok" Smothers) in both on-line pubs. It appears PeteYoung normalized the one occurrence and not the other when verifying. I will ping him. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:58, 22 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mondolithic ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=mondoli&type=Name; I just fixed Harry Potter cover for the second artist linked above, should that and the other cover under "Inc." have "Inc." removed so they fall under the same artist as all the others? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:54, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Again, Dangerous Visions ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5793462; The 2 Sallis titles under the heading Tissue, "At the Fitting Shop" and "53rd American Dream", are only on ISFDB in the original Doubleday edition and a 2012 Gateway e-book. Are the umbrella titles for B. Wolfe, G. Wolfe and Sallis really separate fiction of their own? This is like the Oliver Onions issue where a couple of his stories were known as "Two Trifles" but each had its own title, Ether-Hogs and Mortal, and nobody ever agreed how they should be entered so some collections have the umbrella title entered and some the individual titles. Problem is that most of Ellison's books are PV so deciding how these 3 problematic authors' stories should be entered might be a problem. Certainly at least the Sallis should be entered because as it is now it looks like they only appeared in 2 widely separated editions when they probably appeared in all of them. Also, the cover by the Dillons was used on a lot (all?) of these E-Reads editions; I remember mentioning this a long time ago but I don't think I got an answer so if anyone knows what the first use of it was then I guess all the others will need to be made a variant of it, right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:20, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Possibly this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?250744, is where the cover art originated? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:41, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Giant Bones ==<br />
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[https://www.google.com/search?q=0613068173&sca_esv=575507320&tbas=0&source=lnt&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi7toDLrIiCAxW3EVkFHcGmC_kQpwV6BAgDEBE&biw=1366&bih=667&dpr=1]; https://archive.org/search?query=beagle+giant-bones&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22; I added a link in a PENDING edit for the uploaded-in-2011 copy on Archive.org but the 2023 one has a different back cover with an ISBN that only shows up in the Google search linked above in 2 places, Archive.org and Amazon.de (with no real info except "library binding" but no such edition is mentioned on the copyright page). So if anyone knows what that copy really is, book club or something else, reply here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:09, 21 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Fantasy Worlds of Peter ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?28517; Note for Del Rey original edition says S. in author name isn't on title page so it (and possibly the later Del Rey edition) shouldn't be a variant but merged. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:54, 21 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The pub author for the verified 1979 Del Rey was already Peter Beagle. It was under the wrong title record. I unmerged it and merged it with the correct one. There is an additional problem that, while these pubs are credited to Peter Beagle, the interior contents are credited to Peter S. Beagle. Unless the contents had separate title records that had the middle initial, the contents should also be without the initial. I will ping the verifiers and point them to this discussion. Once they chime in, I will make any necessary changes. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:59, 22 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Agreed. We should drop the middle initial for the contents. [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 09:40, 22 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yes, I see where the initial should be dropped. Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 22:30, 22 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Publications' contents have been updated to be by Peter Beagle as per standards. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:33, 30 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Server downtime -- 2023-10-22 at noon EDT ==<br />
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The ISFDB server will be taken down for maintenance at 12pm server time (EDT). It should be back up within 15-20 minutes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:03, 22 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The server is back up. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:20, 22 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Irene Adler series by Carole Nelson Douglas ==<br />
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I was adding ebooks to the titles in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?5659 Irene Adler] series by Carole Nelson Douglas and am surprised that they are NOT marked as non-genre. They are definitely mysteries but on the face of it, I don't see any elements in them that would make them be included as genre titles, save perhaps the short story "Dracula on the Rocks". Would there be any objection to my changing the other titles to non-genre? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 13:57, 22 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Checking the record number of the first edition pub, I see that it's very low. It means that the data was entered during the ISFDB 1.0 era, before we had the "non-genre" flag. I think it's safe to change the titles to non-genre.<br />
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: I am more curious about [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?11029 ''Fair Wind, Fiery Star''], which says "Non-genre", but the synopsis mentions a "mysterious Dutchman, a mystical sea captain". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:20, 22 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: P.S. I have checked the last page of ''Fair Wind, Fiery Star'', which mentions the "mysterious Dutchman". He is described ambiguously before he disappears. It's not clear whether he is real or a figment of the protagonist's imagination. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:28, 22 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: P.P.S. I have updated the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?11029 ''Fair Wind, Fiery Star'' title record], added the first (abridged) edition and changed the non-genre flag to 'No' until we can find more details. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:43, 22 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::I have changed the titles to non-genre. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:39, 22 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5794782. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:11, 22 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Approved, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:22, 22 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Farnol's Shadow ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5795005; If anyone wants to read Great Quietude in the 1970 reprint and decide whether it counts to be here then the rest of the stories can be deleted; he wrote a lot of pirate-related stuff and is one of those authors, like W. W. Jacobs, who stuck a few of his horror stories in between their "serious" fiction. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:34, 22 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mary Elizabeth Braddon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?78925; https://archive.org/search?query=%22Benyon%27s+Entanglement%22; After adding a link in a PENDING edit to a Vault of Evil review where it's mentioned that Braddon's story "Colonel Benyon's Entanglement" seems to be missing the ending in its reprint in a recent British anthology I looked on Archive.org to see if anyone had uploaded the original magazine serial and didn't see anything but did find that it is included in those two collections linked above (it's on pp. 291-337 in Meeting Her Fate and is spread across both volumes of The Dreaded Guest) and neither of which is on ISFDB although the story "The Dreaded Guest" is in another collection. So if anyone has the anthology and wants to compare the endings to see if it is really missing or if anyone wants to enter those 2 collections and possibly variant the story titles to one of the dozen names she was published under, please do. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:39, 23 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Midnight Tales Discussion ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rosab618#Midnight_Tales; I think I got this figured out correctly, right? EDIT: See also https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Boskar#Cockburn. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:03, 23 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Fantastic Fiction Images ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5796104; I get a scary error page when I right-click and open the old image. Anyone else? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 01:41, 24 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: When I try to access http://img.fantasticfiction.com/images/6/32797.jpg , I get the following error:<br />
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== Argos Award / Prêmio Argos ==<br />
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I have another award suggestion for the Award Directory. I had another suggestion a few posts above (I believe it got lost among the other submissions), but I think this one should be added because it's the oldest/most traditional award given to speculative fiction in Brazil. I collected the necessary information below, including their links (their website is having problems, but it can be seen [https://web.archive.org/web/20230130054838/https://www.clfc.com.br/ here]). The award is organized and voted by the members of CLFC, a Brazilian association of readers and writers of speculative fiction. It started in 2000 and is still ongoing.<br />
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* '''Short Name:''' Argos<br />
* '''Full Name:''' Prêmio Argos / Argos Award<br />
* '''Awarded For:''' Speculative fiction originally published in Portuguese.<br />
* '''Awarded By:''' Clube de Leitores de Ficção Científica, a Brazilian association of readers and writers of speculative fiction.<br />
* '''Poll:''' Yes<br />
* '''Covers more than just SF:''' No<br />
* '''Website:''' [https://clfc.com.br Website], [https://twitter.com/PremioArgos Twitter]<br />
* '''Categories:''' Melhor Romance (Best Novel/Novella), Melhor Coletânea/Antologia (Best Anthology/Collected Works), Melhor Conto (Best Short Story/Novelette)<br />
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The category Romance (not to be confused with the genre; its how novels and novellas are called as a format in Portuguese), as mentioned above, includes both novels and novellas, while Conto includes both short stories and novelettes. [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 16:29, 24 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: It looks like a pretty solid candidate. Twitter [https://twitter.com/safety/unsafe_link_warning?unsafe_link=http://clfc.com.br warns] that their Web site is currently unsafe, but the [https://web.archive.org/web/20230130054838/https://www.clfc.com.br/ Wayback Machine version] appears to be comprehensive, so we should be able to recreate nominee lists. (They also have a [https://www.facebook.com/premioargos/?locale=pt_BR Facebook page], but, apparently, it hasn't been updated since 2019.) I am not sure how many nominated titles the ISFDB database may be missing, but it should be doable. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:42, 24 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Their website has been wonky for a while, so they mostly publish their results on Twitter and on their closed group, but I'm confident I can find most of the nominated works. Thanks! [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 18:56, 24 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: If the award type is created, just a heads up that I mistranslated one of the categories (I originally spelled it "Collected words", but its "Collected works"), but already fixed it. [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 22:59, 28 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: If there are no objections by the end of the weekend, I will create a new award type on Monday. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 23:24, 28 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Great! I'm already working on adding at least the winners who aren't already on the Database, and slowly the rest. [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 11:32, 30 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?113 All done]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:52, 30 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: Thanks! Just a question: I'm already adding the award to titles ISFDB already have, and doing so I realized Argos is really erratic with the nature of their finalists: some years they release it like the Hugos, with first, second, third place and such, but others they just release the winner and the finalists, with no tiers among the finalists. How should I approach this? In the years they don't release the tiers, should I just put "1" for the winner, and "finalists" for the finalists? [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 16:10, 30 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::: Yes, that's how we usually handle inconsistent "poll" awards -- see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_category.cgi?315+1 this list of "John W. Campbell Award for Best New Writer / Astounding Award for the Best New Science Fiction Writer" nominees for 1973-2023] for an example. {{FR|1086}}, "Change the award year field to a drop-down list", if implemented, may help in this area, but for now it's our best bet. Thanks for working on these awards! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:30, 30 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::: Perfect, thanks, I'm already on it! Just a heads up, I suggested another award a little above (Ladies of Horror Fiction, a week or so before I mentioned Argos), could you check if that one is worth cataloging here? [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 00:45, 31 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::: Done. Sorry about the delay: the first and last days of each months are usually very busy on my end as I run monthly backups, enter new light novels, etc. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:17, 1 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::::: No problem! Thank you for the hard work. :) [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 00:28, 2 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Adventure House ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?3836; Should the 1936 item be under an alternate publisher name? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:51, 24 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: It's very likely a carryover from the 2006 facsimile reprint edition, which has been primary verified by one of our editors. I have left a note on [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:MLB#New_Mystery_Adventures.2C_February_1936 his Talk page] to see if the reprint includes a page with the name of the original publisher. Thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:30, 24 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: The record has been updated based on what we currently know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:41, 24 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Odyssey Publications ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?26323; I have PENDING edits adding archived links to the first 5 on that list. URL for the item missing ID suggests it should be #4 (PV just forgot?) and ID for #9 was entered without a space between letters and number like the others; which is correct? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:51, 24 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Remember the Alamo! ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5797826; I added an archived link in a PENDING edit, someone's note mentions partial signature, it's more visible here, https://www.ebay.com/itm/364244986997, it could be one of a few Charter artists already on ISFDB or maybe someone else entirely, anyone recognize it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:19, 25 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Arbor House Treasury of Nobel Prize Winners ==<br />
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Does anyone own the TP of the above anthology? Because the HC on Archive.org has Charles G. Waugh on title page, not Charles Waugh. Price, page numbers for stories entered and decision on whether other stories qualify, entering of preface, better cover, etc. also needed. TP seems unfindable online (wow, unfindable is a word, I thought spell-check would red-line that). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:06, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I could ask Charles if he still has a copy of the trade paperback if no one else has it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:59, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK. I have a PENDING edit adding the HC. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:46, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Diploids ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?37801; Open Library has a record for the Gregg edition of K. Maclean's collection but the link is for a copy of the 1953 novella. I added the link to that novella just for the heck of it but noticed there's some discrepancy with titles among various editions; note in Gregg says it's a reprint of Avon but 1 story in Avon is titled "The Pyramid in the Desert" while in Gregg it's the alternate title, "And Be Merry...". Also, Manor has an alternate alternate title, "And Be Merry". So does anyone own the Gregg who can verify what it says? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:15, 27 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Season of the Witch ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5799039; I entered the 1985 printing of Jack Martin's (really Dennis Etchison) novelization of the 3rd Halloween movie last year and today came across the 1984 one hiding on Archive.org so I entered it. They used the same ISBN for 1982 and 1983 but the last 2 are different from it and each other. If anyone owns a copy, please check because this may have had printings well after 1985. EDIT: I remembered that I entered a later edition of #2 last year, too, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?868156, so that may also have other printings. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:58, 27 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Executioner ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?950765; This is on eBay, www.ebay.com/itm/324711912241, but there's also an archived copy, https://archive.org/search?query=%22Paradine%27s+Gauntlet%22, which has the same copyright page but price is $2.50 on front cover and in barcode on back cover. How can you tell what printings these books are? Is there a gutter code or something? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:09, 27 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Darkening Island Cover Artist ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251927; I added archived link to 1972 HC of this book in a PENDING edit and noticed someone entered PB cover artist with one name but wrote another name in the note. I blew up the image but it's so blurry and the signature so crappy it could be either one. I searched for "Manor Books" and book title and got 1 hit...ISFDB. So if anyone can see a copy and verify what the signature really is one of those names will need fixing. There's no Friere here and several Freire but very unlikely that any of them could be this Freire. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:10, 27 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== All the Traps of Earth ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?283283; I added archived link in PENDING edit; it does not say "and Other Stories" on title page. Active PV AliHarlow, Willem, Dirk: the title may need changing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:42, 27 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Condors ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?19977; I added cover image for Rotunda in a PENDING edit; it's the only Condor PB without a price and I didn't see one anywhere in the archived copy so if anyone knows what it is, reply here. Also, the Roquard items are clearly by a different publisher which should be differentiated in some way. EDIT: Never mind, I got it, $2.25; Open Library cover, which is the same as Archive.org cover, is very scratchy but has bold colors; problem is it isn't framed well and the price info is off the left side. Bookscans has a clear cover with slightly less bold colors and some kind of weird lens flare on the left side but I could barely make out the price through the blinding light. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:41, 28 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== NL Psychoville ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?536129; Doing some more edits today for the recently deceased Christopher Fowler, couple of wrong covers, some other minor stuff, but the edition of Psychoville linked above only has this awful image, https://boekenbalie.nl/psychoville/463400609, online as far as I can see. If anyone can find a better one please upload it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:46, 29 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Roofworld Editions ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive54#Roofworld_Arrow_Edition; I added archived link to non-PV edition in a PENDING edit so I think PV edition could be deleted now. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:52, 29 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I would think that given duplicates where one has a primary verification, we'd want to preserve that verification. Especially when the verifier has been active within the last six months. My recollection is also that [[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] has taken extended breaks in the past and returned. Hopefully, she will do so again. [[User:Chris J|Chris J]] who has a secondary verification on the other record and is active, can easily move the Locus1 verification. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:54, 30 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Authorship of Dune's map ==<br />
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While adding a new publication to the Dune title, I noticed that there's only one pub record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?728199 here] that has Matt Griffin as map artist (which is in and of itself doubtful as I couldn't find conclusive evidence that he indeed was the artist), instead of Dorothy deFointaine.<br />
Comparing [https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/059309932X?ie=UTF8&tag=isfdb-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=059309932X the map in the Ace edition] (see video where it says it's 'a redesigned world map of Dune') with the [https://www.reddit.com/r/dune/comments/vvplz/dune_map/?rdt=39862 original map of Dorothy deFontaine], there's almost no discernible difference between both. Since the statement 'a redesigned world map' is highly exaggerated, I'm thinking to attribute the unsigned map in the Ace edition to Dorothy deFontaine (and not to Matt Griffin) - what do you think? How should we treat these two map records? Any other way to treat these two art records? Suggestions? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 07:47, 30 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It's definitely redesigned, but not redrawn. The design of the map is quite different for the new one as it uses a lot of shading not found in the original, different labeling/fonts, and placement of somethings is a little different. That said, the copyright page credits the map like this: "Map by Matt Griffin, inspired by the original by Dorothy de Fontaine". Based on that, I think the new one should be credited to both of them, especially due to the many similarities. A not could be placed on the map title page explaining all that. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:46, 2 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks! Updated accordingly. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 08:34, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== B. Farthing ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5800896; The warning message "Proposed..." doesn't show up on Google when I search for it. Should I have rejected my edit or is it correct and I should do it again and ignore the warning or should Ben be the variant of Benjamin? I already have an edit making Benjamin an alternate name of Ben. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:40, 30 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Benjamin should be the variant of Ben, and then the title date for the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1138880 variant] should be changed to match its parent (since the variant is the name of the author). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:49, 2 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Done (I think). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:31, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== PVR ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=rosenkr&type=Name; Palie von is actually Palle von per contents page photo online, novel is not genre from what I can gather online, Palle Rosenkrantz story is not genre per online reviews, neither really belong here, didn't notice this until I'd already entered bio info for Rosenkrantz, cancelled my edit, I think both names should be deleted, probably other contents from 1960 omnibus and Martin Edwards anthology are not genre and should be removed, too (there's a note in the anthology's record mentioning this). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:30, 2 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Rageot ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=rageot&type=Publisher; I have a PENDING edit fixing/adding stuff re: someone else's recent edit for a book published by Rageot and I noticed ISFDB has records for that name which was on the title page and the longer name, Rageot-Éditeur, which was on the copyright page. So really all books should probably be merged under one name. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:30, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Science Fictional Solar System ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?32159; The UK HC & book club editions say Martin H. Greenberg on their cover, 2 eBay copies of book club don't show title page, does anyone own either edition who can verify what his name is on title page? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:28, 4 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Brad Steiger Stories ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5805263; I didn't change the dates of Steiger's stories but I think they're both wrong. "Detroit", being a variant title, should have the date of this anthology, I think, and "Huntsman" should have a 1966 date as copyright page says. Am I right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:01, 5 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Yes, titles are dated per first appearance of that form of the title. Updates made. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:51, 5 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Amazon WEBP Images ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_frontimage&O_2=contains&TERM_2=w%2Fwebp&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication]; After I replaced one a few days ago and another one today I did a search and it seems most (all?) of the images with the weird URL Amazon switched to for a while are now broken. Is there a batch fix or will they have to be changed one by one (there's several hundred)? Most are not PV. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:09, 5 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I see what you mean. There are 806 affected publication records, 30 of them primary-verified. I could create a script to change the URLs of the unverified pubs, then we could ask the primary verifiers to check their pubs. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:25, 5 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: I'm sure you've already got something that could be repurposed for this, but if not:<br />
:: https://github.com/JohnSmithDev/ISFDB-Tools/blob/master/tools/submit_edits_via_api.py<br />
:: You would need to update get_bad_pub_records() to pick up the affected records - plus any additional check to not pick up verified pubs - and the regex to fix them in the first line of generate_pubdate_imagefix()<br />
:: Then 'uncomment' the PUB_COVER_EDITS code in the __main__ section. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 05:01, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: There have been quite a few scripts to mass change URL structures over the years, e.g. [https://sourceforge.net/p/isfdb/code-svn/HEAD/tree/trunk/scripts/amazon_urls_to_https.py this one from 2022]. I plan to use it as a template later today. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:17, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::I was adding an Amazon author image for Maggie Allen and the URL is weird so I did a search, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=author_image&O_1=contains&TERM_1=m.media-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FW&C=AND&USE_2=author_canonical&O_2=exact&TERM_2=&USE_3=author_canonical&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=author_canonical&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=author_canonical&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=author_canonical&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=author_canonical&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=author_canonical&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=author_canonical&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=author_canonical&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=author_canonical&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Author], and these are also broken. I don't know if the batch will fix these, too. EDIT: This URL was fine, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5806113, which I got by searching for Amazon and the author's name in Google Images; however, on the author's Amazon page, https://www.amazon.ca/-/fr/Maggie-Allen/e/B00DXZNLOG, the URL is the broken one. I don't know what's up with all this but I'm sure someone else does. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:13, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: I have now manually fixed the "WEBP" author URLs. All but 2 were broken. Removing the "WEBP" part fixed all of them, although a few were "S" images, so they will be caught by the cleanup reports when they next run. I think it's safe to say that we should be able to removed "WEBP" from the affected cover scans programmatically. I'll work on it later today. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:13, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::Thanks. I added an image to Maxwell Alexander Drake's record and of the 4 images on his Amazon page (I think at least some people must be aware by now that only certain regional Amazon pages display all author images at the moment in the scroll bar or whatever it's called, Amazon.com and many others just show the main photo, and they seem to be getting fewer and fewer as time goes by; I find Amazon Canada and Amazon France are still good) 2 are WEBP and 2 are regular; it figures that the one I had to use wasn't as good as the others. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:33, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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=== Outcome -- WEBP images converted ===<br />
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All 806 "WEBP" images have been converted. Please let me know if you come across any issues. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:17, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== St. Martin's The Light Fantastic ==<br />
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https://colinsmythe.co.uk/terry-pratchett/discworld/discworld-novels/light-fantastic/; I was doing some edits for the few St. Martin's editions of Terry Pratchett's novels and I think this last one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?43074, doesn't exist. It should probably get the unpublished code for the date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:46, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Untouched by Human Hands ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5806259; Actual price was a bit different than what Tuck supposedly said but since Bluesman is gone if anyone else has the Tuck book and it really says 12/- then a note about difference on flap can be added after my edit is approved. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:38, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
: There is a price shown here: www.ebay.com/itm/115568098201 [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 22:07, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Faerie Tale ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=faerie-tale&sort=title&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22&and%5B%5D=firstTitle%3AF; While doing an edit for Raymond E. Feist (adding a note that he was born Gonzales, not Feist, and fixing his day of birth) I saw that, despite the dozens of editions of his great horror/fantasy novel Faerie Tale the only one archived is a Doubleday Book-of-the-Month Club edition which isn't on ISFDB! Open Library claims there are 2 previewable copies but whichever edition the other one was, it's gone now. So if anyone has one of those club indexes or wherever people get the dates/ID # from, you may want to enter this edition so at least there'll be one copy people can read easily. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:26, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:I've added the BOMC edition [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?978095 here]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:23, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Alan Burns ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?18958; I added cover image to Dreamerika a while ago and today added archived link to US Babel edition; SFE says "Babel" in New Worlds is an excerpt so I've added that word to the title. The issue now is SFE thinks all the other short stories are by a different Alan Burns (and probably the poems and essay, too). Does anyone know for sure? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:31, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Connecting books in an unnamed series ==<br />
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I'm currently adding two books where one is the sequel to the other, yet they are not part of a named series. Should I still add series to them (and if so what should I call it), or should I only make a not about it in the title note? /[[User:Lokal Profil|Lokal]][[Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil|_]][[:User talk:Lokal Profil|Profil]] 14:34, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:What are the books? Can you provide a link to them? Or have you not added them yet? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:52, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: One thing that we often do when two or more titles -- or two or more series -- are part of a larger, unnamed, setting is create a new series (or super-series) and use the word "universe" in its name. One example would be the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?42997 Baba Yaga Universe]. It contains 2 sub-series and one collection. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:05, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::: This is only two books {{t|3244057|Domens dag}} and {{t|978127|Råttorna}}. Calling it a universe feels a bit like giving it more credit than it is due =) /[[User:Lokal Profil|Lokal]][[Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil|_]][[:User talk:Lokal Profil|Profil]] 18:01, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: Hi! If you can't find a naming of the series or a general theme, I'd suggest to use in this case the title of the first novel, like it was done for the two novels in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?34751 this series]. (The second link you provided leads one to a piece of interior art ;-) ) Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:48, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::: If the two novels do share the same main character, there'd be the additional possibility to name the series after it, like it was done [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?19161 here]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:10, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::: Thanks for the many suggestions! I'll go with the ''title of the first novel'' suggestion as the main characters are not given a last name (if memory serves) and Peter & Anna is way to generic =). Appologies for the erroneous second link (that was the pub-id not the title-id), the intended one is {{t|3244058|Råttorna}}. /[[User:Lokal Profil|Lokal]][[Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil|_]][[:User talk:Lokal Profil|Profil]] 16:53, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pied Pipers ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1428017; I left Chavey a message about a city missing in their note about imprint on title page of Routledge edition (which I'd just added an Archive.org link to) but later saw that there was a more pressing problem; the title was wrong, missing a word and misspelling another. I later added another note about Warne edition also likely being wrong based on cover image. Looking further, I think the other 2 editions also have the wrong title; Rand McNally 1937 edition (Chavey's note says 1927, that may be yet another mistake) is on Archive.org and it says The Pied Piper of Hamelin on title page while there's no edit history for Harrap edition but notes are in Chavey's style. Problem is Chavey hasn't responded to any messages since May of last year. Any suggestions? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:28, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Their last activity in the database was on 2023-11-04, so only a few days ago. I suggest giving it a little more time for them to respond to the questions. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:33, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Geta ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?17102; I added a link to 1984-00-00 in a PENDING edit; 1985 2nd printing was edited by Hauck, hater of ISFDB, while RTrace cloned the 1984-06-00 but that date can't be right because the price is higher than 1985. There are 2 identical notes about name of publisher in 1984-00-00 and 1985 but neither was edited by the same person/people so some cloning/copying happened there, too. So publisher should either be Granada or Panther / Granada for all 3 and 1984-06-00 should either have a new date or all 0's for unknown; it also says TP, not PB, and likely has the same cover as the others so cover artist should be imported. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:48, 9 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Arthur Barker Edition of The Restaurant at the End of the Universe ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5809217; No idea why that obviously incorrect cover artist data was approved by a mod but I removed Kay and the word "Illustrations" from Litherland's credit. I assume the Amazon cover is the correct one because there's a few non-Amazon sites that show the same cover for that ISBN but the problem is Open Library has a 1985 date for the Arthur Barker edition (the only one out of 85 editions) but editor here has 1980 and ISFDB page for that publisher ends in 1980. This edition seems rare so if anyone owns it can you check to make sure date, price, page count (Open Library says 188, not 187), etc. are correct? I left PV a message but they don't seem to answer any questions. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:01, 10 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Letter From A Teddy Bear On ? ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:J-Sun#Letter_from_a_Teddy_Bear_on_Veteran.27s_Day; I doubt this editor will respond so if anyone else wants to say what the right way to do this is, chime in. I could have sworn this discussion took place much earlier but I see it was only last December and yet I added some weird image to my message, which I don't do, so not sure why I did that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:46, 10 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Varianted. Most common version used as parent per standard. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:26, 10 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Who Is Lewis Pinder? ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?976273; MLB recently PV Signet PB and I just replaced faded Amazon cover with nice Bookscans cover but I can't find a cover for the HC anywhere. If anyone else can, can you upload it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:29, 10 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Request to add German fantastic literature price: ==<br />
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Hi all, <br />
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after adding the German "DSFP" award, I would like to add now the "Phantastikpreis der Stadt Wetzlar", another German fantastic price:<br />
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Translation: The “Fantasy Prize of the City of Wetzlar” has been awarded since 1983. The prize is a literary prize endowed with 4,000 euros and is awarded annually for a novel. The prize honors works from all types of fantasy, from magical realism to fantasy science fiction, utopia and horror. Particular emphasis is placed on the fact that the fantastic element - similar to Goethe's “Magician's Apprentice” - also allows real life connections to appear in a new light. The prize is awarded by the city of Wetzlar in cooperation with the Wetzlar Fantastic Library. The jury consists of literary experts from Wetzlar and the surrounding area who have a close connection to fantastic literature.<br />
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Source (in German): https://www.phantastik.eu/ausschreibungen-und-preise/phantastikpreis-der-stadt-wetzlar.html<br />
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Forgot to sign it: [[User:Jannis|Jannis]] ([[User talk:Jannis|talk]]) 08:39, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I do think it should be perfectly eligible. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:06, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: I agree that it appears to be eligible. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:41, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Hearing no objection, I have created a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?115 new Award Type] and an Award Category for this prize. Please let me know if there are any issues with the new records, otherwise have fun entering the awards :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:54, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: Thats great! Thanks a lot Ahasuerus, I will add the books & authors of last winners of this price, and later link the price to their works. [[User:Jannis|Jannis]] ([[User talk:Jannis|talk]]) 05:16, 18 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pro Se ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=pro+se&type=Publisher; If anyone knows whether these are all by the same publisher some altering to bring them under the same publisher name would be helpful. They publish pulp-style stuff in all genres; neither of the books on Archive.org, https://archive.org/search?query=pro-se-press&and%5B%5D=year%3A%222016%22, are on ISFDB, Sushi Bar... likely has some genre-related stories, probably other eligible books by them out there. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:46, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: If memory serves, I used Amazon's Look Inside to look into "Pro Se" publishers/publication series at one point. Their books used a number of different forms of attribution and I couldn't figure out the logic behind it. Someone would need to do more digging to sort it all out. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:55, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Cyrano and Jules Verne ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=airborne+alan-c; I added 2 anthologies recently, imported genre stories into Skyriders in a PENDING edit, imported 3 genre stories (Kipling, T. L. Thomas, O'Flaherty) into Airborne but there's a couple of ancient excerpts (?) that are a problem. The Cyrano title doesn't match the one on ISFDB and there is no such title by Verne here. Searching for Verne title online only got 1 hit, https://www.mwbooks.ie/pages/books/307419/alan-c-jenkins/airborne-compiled-by-alan-c-jenkins, an Irish bookseller's page for Airborne. Typing a line of text from Verne's story got nothing online. I doubt this book found some long-lost Verne story so I assume it's just a novel excerpt. Does anyone know? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:41, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Anna's Archive has a downloadable copy. According to the Acknowledgements page, the Cyrano title is a "passage from Other Worlds by Cyrano de Bergerac, translated by Geoffrey Strachan". The Verne title is a "passage from ''From the Earth to the Moon'' by Jules Verne, translated by Jacqueline Baldick". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:15, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: The submission has been approved. The two titles discussed above have been added. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:38, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bellows ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?97465; I added FantLab photo in a PENDING edit, findagrave.com says Jeffrey, not Jeffery, and has "Kent" in quotes like it's a nickname but the grave says Kent Bellows, and what does the G. stand for? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:24, 14 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bizarrocast ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=title_webpage&O_1=contains&TERM_1=bizarrocast&C=AND&USE_2=title_title&O_2=exact&TERM_2=&USE_3=title_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=title_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=title_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=title_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=title_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=title_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=title_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=title_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=title_copyright&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Title]; I was going through the old horror webzine Rosewort, adding links (yes, I found ANOTHER D. F. Lewis story, "Aspen"), and the Ken Goldman story "Going Potty" had a dead link. Then I noticed that the Bizarrocast link in that story's record leads to a log-on page because the original site is gone, but the archived site hardly has any archived pages; I tried one from 2013, "How the Isle of Cats Got Its Name", and after waiting a long time for the page to load all I saw was Arabic (?) writing so even that seems to have been captured after the site was already dead. My link above searched for all title webpages with Bizarrocast in their URL and there's quite a few so if anyone knows whether there's a new site, say here. Otherwise, all those links should probably be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:16, 14 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Book storage and moving boxes ==<br />
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When I packed my book collection for an interstate move last year, I mostly used the 1 cubic-foot book boxes sold by U-Haul. There were a total of about 135 boxes. I have just finished unpacking the last of them and no damage occurred to any of the books. I particularly liked that they stacked nicely and were easy to hold onto while moving them around. They were especially useful for moving and storing paperbacks. Since there always a need to put some books into storage, I recommend using these boxes. Cheers! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 17:16, 14 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bloodlust and Fangers ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?118655; Today I was adding links to any stories on the old Bloodlust-UK horror site that are on ISFDB and they seem to have redesigned the site some time after 2005 because there were a couple of links that had different URL's for the same stories. I did get quite a few links, including at least one that was published earlier on Bloodlust than what the note on ISFDB says and two by the same author that were supposedly original to one of her collections but were actually published on Bloodlust more than 10 years earlier, and was feeling pretty good about all that until tonight when I decided to see if the authors who got links had any other stories online nowadays, non-archived, and while looking for stories by Denise Sodaro this site came up, https://fangersinc.wordpress.com/tag/short-stories/, where they dumped most/all of the original site's stories without any note that I can see that these stories are nearly 2 decades old. I nearly cried at how much faster I could have added links from Fangers instead of trawling through the old site. Anyway, it seems they were collected in some recent Fangers anthologies; I feel bad for people paying money for these old stories that mostly shouldn't have been published the first time when online editors were hungry for content and would accept almost anything. However, there is one thing that could lead to something interesting; this guy, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?118655, seems to have plagiarized at least one story, "Jumpers", which I added a note to some time ago with an explanation of who actually wrote the story. His other ISFDB story is in an anthology that I read via Interlibrary Loan years before I was an editor here and I can't remember a word of it so no way to tell if that's original. Bloodlust had a story by Michael Steinberg, "Life, or Something Like It", but this Fangers site calls him M. O. Steinberg even though he was already using the M. O. name back when the original site was active so why he went by Michael is anyone's guess. I typed a line of text from "Life..." on Google but got no hits so I'm not sure if it's original or another plagiarism. So if anyone owns the anthology Dreaming of Angels and can read Steinberg's story or reads "Life..." and recognizes it as being by someone else, can you let us know? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:11, 16 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Mark Powers - two different people ==<br />
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Currently for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?22424 this author] we have a bunch of UK juvenile titles, and some Jim Butcher/Dresden Files comics. I'm reasonably sure these are two different people: [https://www.theshawagency.co.uk/mark-powers here] is the agency page for the former, and [https://www.simonandschuster.com/authors/Mark-Powers/202304451 here] a publisher page for the latter, with neither page acknowledging the other work.<br />
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Unless anyone objects, I propose to split these off, probably making the second one "Mark Powers (comics)" unless there are better suggestions. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 13:54, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:I agree. [https://dresdenfiles.fandom.com/wiki/Mark_Powers This] is a page showing a pic of the ''Dresden'' comics writer. Definitely not the person shown in the two Twitter/X profiles on our author page. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:00, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:: The Dresden Files comics should now all be switched over to the new author record. Thanks for confirmation! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:59, 19 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Twitter changed to "X/Twitter" ==<br />
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I am seeing more and more references to "X" instead of "Twitter". I have changed the way third party links appear on bibliographic pages from "Twitter" to "X/Twitter" to reflect this. It's a trivial change, so we can always tweak it again if the name changes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:46, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Darrell Awards ==<br />
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https://web.archive.org/web/20120908050157/http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~timgatewood/sf/darrell/DarrellWinners_Categories_96to12.pdf; I came across that while looking for something else entirely and since some here like entering new awards and this doesn't seem to be on ISFDB I thought I'd link it in case anyone wants to enter it if it's eligible. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:49, 19 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Final Frontier Cover ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?13334; I noticed there was a Greg and Gregory Brodeur here, made Gregory an alternate, made variant of one of his essays and merged 3 into 1 for the other essay (a variant will need to be made of that result after, I think), noticed 1st printing of Final Frontier '88 US PB was on Archive.org so added a link, finally noticed BORIS VALLEJO is credited for a foreign edition but not for any of the others even though they have the same art, Bluesman who was PV of 2 editions is long gone so if active PV of US PB agree with PV, Welo, that added art (they didn't mention where they got it in their notes) then cover credit can be added to all with date of US PB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:00, 19 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:The German translation states Boris Vallejo as cover artist on the copyright page. But, i wouldn't take this as given for every other release without another source to verify. At the time the german publishers weren't the reliablest for infos on the copyright pages, they had sometimes wrong infos (copied from previous pubs, but not correct). I've stumbled over a few wrong ones over time. [[User:Welo|Welo]] ([[User talk:Welo|talk]]) 12:31, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== SFWA Bulletin ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?951170; I was doing Bruce McAllister edits and there's 1 Bruce McAllaster credit here (along with a correct spelling elsewhere in it) but SFWA.org says McAllister so probably a misprint by PV. Also, Gatherng should be Gathering, Nores should be Notes, etc. If anyone can see a real copy all of those can probably be fixed. I assume there are many other mistakes in the other issues of this bulletin since the same PV worked on most/all of them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:11, 20 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Book of Ballads Dates ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Ofearna#Book_of_Ballads; Does anyone agree with me that the 2004 contents should be November instead of October? They say they're original to this book in their notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:39, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Lecrivain ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=the+last+swan+prince&type=All+Titles; 2017 zine has no period after the C in her name, 2020 webzine does, story's title page will need to be seen to determine if 2017 really doesn't have it, then there should be a merge or a variant. Her other story in that zine doesn't have a period, either, according to ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:25, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ormazoids ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5816628; Since PV is deceased if anyone wants to add/fix anything mentioned in my note to mod, feel free. EDIT: Seems logical UK edition would have been first for a Who book so title date should probably be 1986-00-00 unless anyone can determine exact UK date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:56, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Patterns of the Fantastic II ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=%22patterns+of+the+fantastic%22&sort=title; Copyright page says December 1984, title page says 1986 in roman numerals, ISFDB says May 1985. If anyone knows what's the deal here they may want to add the link where appropriate and fix dates if needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:22, 23 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:The title page date is on a sticker that has been applied after printing. That sticker also has "Borgo Press". So it could be Borgo was selling copies for Starmont House or they made a photographic reprint and stuck their sticker on it. May 1985 is the date Locus1 has so that might have been the source for the {{P|287993|ISFDB record}}. Rtrace has secondary verified it with Clute/Nicholls and Reginald3. I will ping him to see if either of those might has some info to shed light on the situation. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:53, 23 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::Neither {{Reginald3}} nor Clute/Nicholls mention Borgo. The former has a 1985 date while the latter has 1984. {{P|283739|Chalker/Owings}} has the 1984 date. {{P|320234|BP 300}} has 1985. This is probably due to the difference between copyright and publication dates. Also from ''BP 300'', Borgo acquired Starmont in March 1993 after having purchased Starmont's Contemporary Writers Series in 1991. If I had to guess, the sticker is likely a cancel of the Starmont publisher and perhaps the 1986 date is due to a typo (VI vs IV). With that scenario, the sticker was likely added sometime after 1993 when Borgo purchased Starmont. Chalker/Owings does note that the purchase included Starmont's back stock. Regardless, if we decided to add a new publication record for the Borgo cancel of Starmont, I don't think we can date it exactly and I'd recommend using the unknown date. Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:13, 23 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::I made the following changes:<br />
:::*Updated the Starmont House editions with the stated publication date as per ISFDB standards. I also included a pub note on the secondary source dates and a statement that it was likely not out until after the stated publication date.<br />
:::*Cloned an undated Borgo Press edition with a statement regarding Borgo Press buying Starmont House backstock & the uncertainty of the Roman numeral date's meaning.<br />
:::*Added the contents.<br />
:::--&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:21, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Philip K. Dick Reader ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1365790; I cloned an 11th printing and publisher is Citadel+Kensington like 2016 but cover is same as 1997 which says publisher is Citadel Twilight; does anyone own a 1st printing who can say whether it says Twilight or if 1997 should be changed to Kensington? Twilight books had a certain bluish look about their covers and they say Twilight on the cover which this book doesn't. Per note on ISFDB Twilight ended in 2000 so it's possible it was a Twilight book and it was only mentioned inside. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:46, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== ASIN ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?966441; Clicking US ASIN leads to a different magazine; I don't know if that happens often or not but I thought I'd mention it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:07, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: There are two ISFDB records sharing the same ASIN, "B0CDQWPL1Z":<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?966441 Dark Hall Press Cosmic Horror Anthology]<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?966438 Savage Realms Monthly, August 2023]<br />
: Their respective Edit Histories show that the 2 pubs were manually entered by the same editor on the same day. Most likely it was a copy-and-paste error. I have corrected the erroneous ASIN; thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:17, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Salt Is Not For Slaves ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=salt+is&type=All+Titles; I can't find a copy of 1931 Ghost Stories issue where it says E. W. supposedly, can confirm it's G. W. in Book of the Living Dead (added link in a PENDING edit from OL-only no-search copy). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:19, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Rustin Parr ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36131; Title was entered in 2011, I've made 3 edits (one in each of the last 3 years), and only today noticed the title was wrong; it's Confession, not Confessions. Fixed that in a PENDING edit and while doing so noticed there are 2 foreign editions, https://archive.org/search?query=%22rustin+parr%22+stern&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=year%3A%222000%22, in case anyone fluent wants to enter those. I also have an edit adding UK Boxtree 4th printing of The Blair Witch Project: A Dossier by the same author; there is a HC book club (?) edition of the Onyx edition on Archive.org but I didn't bother with that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:29, 26 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Khaw & Kadrey's ''The Dead Take the A Train'' ==<br />
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Re. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3070028 this title], I propose deleting the pub dated 2022-09-27. That was the original publication date, which was pushed back a full year. I have added this detail to the notes for actual pub when it was released (2023-10-03), so the earlier pub record is now redundant. Any objections from anyone? [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 07:43, 27 November 2023 (EST)<br />
: Would it not be better to make [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Date the pub date 8888-00-00], rather than deleting the record? That way the ISBN is still in the database in case anyone else tries adding it in future? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 08:36, 27 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::Yeah, that sounds sensible. Done. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 15:49, 27 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== ayaz daryl nielsen ==<br />
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Are there any objections to using lowercase for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?162023 Ayaz Daryl Nielsen]. I have never seen him credited any other way. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:01, 27 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Hearing no objections, the change has been made. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:31, 3 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Eichner ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=m.+eichner&type=Name; While adding links and other stuff to E. Everett Evans books I noticed Eichner shows up twice as an illustrator and I assume those are the same people which would mean a variant is needed. Also, Eichner's birth date is off by 10 days from Wikipedia and most sites seem to agree it's 9, not 19, so the day may need changing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:38, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Disabling the Synopsis field for Variant Titles ==<br />
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Back in April 2022 "Make This a Variant Title" [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive52#Make_Variant_and_Synopsis_data 2022-04-30 was modified] to move VTs' Synopsis data to their parent titles. A new cleanup report, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?328 Variant Title with Synopsis Data], was created at the same time.<br />
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The original plan was to:<br />
* clean up any titles found by this cleanup report (1,600+ at the time)<br />
* confirm that there were no scenarios where a VT needed to have Synopsis data<br />
* change "Edit Title" to disable the Synopsis field for VTs<br />
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The first step was never completed, so the process stalled. I have now processed/corrected around 50 (out of 1546) affected title record. It is as we suspected. Most just needed their synopsis data to be moved to the parent titles. Some needed two synopsis entries reconciled. A few were in error, e.g. there was Notes data in the Synopsis field or vice versa. A few Synopsis values were using a language other than English, which is explicitly not allowed in Help.<br />
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Based on the above, I think it's safe to change the software to disallow entering Synopsis data for VTs. If there are no objections, I plan to work on it over the next few days. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:03, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Will this block adding a synopsis to a serial title? In at least [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3129077 this case], each of the serial titles is a separate novella that could justifiably have its own synopsis. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 21:57, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: That's right, the proposed change would prevent Synopsis values from being added to SERIAL titles. I don't think it should cause significant issues since semi-standalone SERIALs are rare and could be handled the way we handled {{A|George Lowther}}'s [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?16699 ''Superman'']:<br />
::* Chapters 1-2 describe Superman's planet of origin, Krypton. Chapters 3-5 deal with Clark Kent's childhood with his adoptive parents. In chapter 6, Clark goes to Metropolis and gets a job with the Daily Planet. The remaining eleven chapters deal with a mystery involving ghost ships and Nazi spies.<br />
:: [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:53, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::That's what I thought. Hmmm. I don't think that would work in the case of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3129077 Last Stand] since each of the installments (Episodes) are approx. 20,000 word novellas which have differing focus characters within the pseudo-TV series framework and the summaries should be more than a couple of words each. I'm not convinced it is truly a serial anyway. [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Anniemod Anniemod] set this up initially and I've been following suit since. I could just as well see this as a series called <i>Last Stand</i> with the individual novellas as normal Chapbooks/Shortfiction titles. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 12:52, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: If they have different focus characters and different plots requiring different synopses, then I agree that they sound more like linked stories than a serialization. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:09, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::I'm the only PV for these. On deeper examination, I believe they are linked stories, not serials. I'm going toss a note to Annie and then convert these from serials to shortfiction, unvarianting the titles, and grouping them under the series <i>Last Stand</i>. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:37, 3 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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=== Outcome: Software has been changed ===<br />
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Hearing no further objections, I have changed "Edit Title" to disallow entering Synopsis data for variant titles. [[Template:TitleFields:Synopsis]] has been updated as follows:<br />
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* A synopsis can only be entered for canonical titles. The software won't let you add a Synopsis to a variant title.<br />
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If you come across any issues, please let me know. All that's left is cleaning up the remaining 1400+ VTs which still have Synopsis values. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:15, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: There was a minor bug in the associated cleanup report. It was causing three valid title records to appear on the report. The bug has been fixed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:54, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Nightly cleanup reports fixed ==<br />
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It turns out that the recent addition of a Notes template with an apostrophe in its name -- [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Using_Templates_and_HTML_in_Note_Fields "Achevé D’Imprimer"] -- broke the automated nightly process which regenerates cleanup reports. The software was fixed a few minutes ago and everything should be back to normal tomorrow morning. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:12, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== New superseries for Glynn Stewart's Castle Federation ==<br />
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Would anyone object if I create a new superseries named <i>Castle Federation Universe</i> which would have the existing series [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?42767 Castle Federation] as subseries #1 and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?65374 Dakotan Confederacy] as subseries #2? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 18:14, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: No objection -- book covers and Goodreads reviews confirm it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:09, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Done. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 21:52, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Julie Novakova/Nováková ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?195102 The page for this author] has "Novakova" in her name, and states '''uses accentless spelling of her surname for foreign publications.'''. However I just checked [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ship-Whisperer-Julie-Nováková-ebook/dp/B08F3S7J9L/ her collection] and [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Rosetta-Archive-Notable-Speculative-Translation/dp/195106402X an anthology she contributed a story to], and [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Life-Beyond-Us-Original-Anthology-ebook/dp/B0BNZ7M4F7/ an anthology she co-edited], and all use "Nováková". I assume these should at least be a variant, but I don't have the privileges to see who might have added that author note, in case they can shed any further light?<br />
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(Also, "foreign publications" seems a bit Anglocentric, especially in conjunction with a Czech author?) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:38, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ghosts of the Chit-Chat ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?869953; Contents #1, #4-7, #9, and #12 are not original; they're much older stories with at least one (Tatham) being under a different name (H. F. W.) and title ("Phonograph Bewitched"), plus a couple of authors that are not already on ISFDB (although J. K. Stephens may be James Stephens who is). If anyone owns this or knows where to get a look at the full text some fixing/merging is needed after determining what names and titles are actually used in it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:02, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Best of John W. Campbell ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1212025; I have a PENDING edit adding Archive.org link to '76 US PB and another edit adding month to intro but the afterword has a variant with neither having a month. PB doesn't actually say afterword on that essay's title page so this may be a false variant that needs merging into one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:26, 4 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Best New Romantic Fantasy ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?29658; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5827168; Re: this series, I don't think #3 was ever published like a lot of announced Juno books. There's almost no info online, nobody ever entered contents, etc. I think it should get an unpublished date here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:58, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Sanjulian ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?914; Should this be changed to Sarjulian and made a variant of his parent name? Because it's supposed to be what's on the page, not what PV thinks it should be. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:03, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Dutch Plot ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?28987; '79 Plot doesn't belong with the others. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:50, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Very Special People ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5828417; A copy of the rare 1977 horror novel The Soul of Anna Klane was uploaded to Archive.org earlier this year and I just came across it, it's a second impression so I cloned it, uploader messed up because the jacket is from an awesome book about circus people (or freaks as they were called back in the day) that anyone my age probably remembers reading or at least looking at the photos. Would anything by the author, https://openlibrary.org/authors/OL529624A/Frederick_Drimmer, qualify to be on ISFDB? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:59, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Is "Frederick Drimmer" the author of ''The Soul of Anna Klane''? The covers say the author is Terrel Miedaner. The only one from the list of Frederick Drimmer's works that looks like it might be includable is ''The Body Snatchers'', but it depends on what it's about. All his other works seem to be nonfiction about non-genre topics. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:33, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Other works by Miedaner that might be includable include [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/181242.The_Mind_s_I ''The Mind's I'', in which he has a story or essay (not sure which as the book contains both). It has a work by Stanislaw Lem in it. I couldn't find anything else by Miedaner that could be included. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:40, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Miedaner wrote the novel, Drimmer wrote dozens of non-fiction books including some about genre-related topics that I thought might qualify. Maybe someone will find one or two with something in them that can be entered. The novel seems to have had a lot of other editions not on ISFDB including some foreign editions with weird covers so maybe someone fluent could enter those. Also, the Mind's I book you mentioned is on Archive.org, https://archive.org/search?query=terrel+miedaner, in case you think that qualifies to be entered here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:55, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Gary Allen ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?87741; The author of None Dare... died long before the other works on his page were written so obviously by a different Allen; he has his own Wikipedia. However, I don't think there should be a variant but rather the novel removed because it's not really a novel, it's an anti-Communist diatribe by a member of the John Birch Society that's been reprinted endlessly. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:42, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Book has been deleted. Clear nongenre, nonfiction by a different author than the speculative fiction Gary Allen. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:16, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Twice Twenty-Two ==<br />
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https://openlibrary.org/works/OL103175W/Twice_twenty-two?edition=key%3A/books/OL26558953M; 2 copies, one searchable and one not, searchable one has a gutter code on p. 405, "03 N", which is not in the book club edition's note about gutter codes on ISFDB. Non-searchable one has no code. So if anyone knows how to identify dates from the code they may want to enter at least the copy that has a code. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:58, 8 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Schrecksekunden ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5830404; Does anyone recognize the cover I added? I'm almost sure I've seen it before on an English-language book; if so, artist is likely on ISFDB for that and can be added to this. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:44, 9 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:https://www.michaelwhelan.com/galleries/emergence/ and that conveniently also has [https://www.michaelwhelan.com/wp-content/uploads/fromtheheartofdarkness-cover.jpg From the Heart of Darkness cover]. Looks like we have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1727716 this]. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:05, 9 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:The PV of the affected pub is active and a moderator, so I pointed him at this. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:10, 9 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::The cover of [[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5830404 Schrecksekunden]] is correct. Regards Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] ([[User talk:Rudam|talk]]) 05:43, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Submission approved. Cover credit added to Schrecksekunden with a publication note specifying the secondary source & new cover art record varianted to the prior one. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:19, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Aiken's World Well Lost ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?915733; I don't think Joan published a book with this title but rather it was her brother, John, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?135, so Joan's record for that book should probably be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:06, 9 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Deleted. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:24, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pan Mystery Walk ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?556649; Someone just uploaded a foreign cover for Baal, one of Robert R. McCammon's novels, which led me to do some edits for other of his books (there's a lot left to do even though I've done many previously). There's a $75 Subterranean Press signed limited edition of The Night Boat which has been on Archive.org since April of last year which I somehow never noticed before so I added a link to that but the Pan edition of Mystery Walk only has a 2nd printing uploaded; the question is whether the 1st printing also says Stephen Crisp on back cover instead of Steve Crisp, which is what's on ISFDB. So if anyone owns a 1st printing (I don't see anything online except 1 eBay auction where they took photos of everything EXCEPT the copyright page) and it says Stephen then that needs fixing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:38, 11 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== International Polygonics Edition of Liars and Tyrants and People Who Turn Blue ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20274; I've made a few edits for this before but noticed today a copy was uploaded to Archive.org earlier this year so I added a link, replaced postage stamp-sized Amazon cover with their cover, and added LCCN (their site screwed up entering the title). However, the copy has a big thick sticker obscuring the cover art credit on the back; it seems to start with Kev so probably Kevin; no other books on ISFDB from the publisher have that in the artist's name so if anyone has/can find a copy can you let us know what the artist's name is? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:51, 12 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Brennan's Riddle ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?308567; Been doing some Joseph Payne Brennan edits and this one is odd; there's no content. Is it possible that it contains his 1964 poem "Riddle"? It's likely not a collection but a chapbook or something similar. I added cover image and FantLab ID in a PENDING edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:29, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Dedications in Poems ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5817418 this submission] to alter the title of {{T|1337626|this poem}} based on [https://www.sfpoetry.com/sl/edchoice/34.2-2.html this web page] from the magazine's web site. My question is whether "(For Edgar Allen Poe)" should be considered as part of the subtitle, or whether that is a separate dedication that should not be included in the title field. If we go with the latter, it could be added to the notes. My recollection is that poems occasionally have "For XXX" listed in a smaller typeface under the title though usually without the parenthesis. I don't think we usually include these as part of the title field. How do other folks feel about this. If there is disagreement, we can move this to the rules and standards page. Thoughts? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:50, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Personally, I wouldn't include this as part of the title. It is somewhat similar to the way some sources treat additional information, for example for series - like in The Death of a Hero (Star Wars), and it ''is'' a dedication. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:35, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Dedications are a common occurrence, I never include them in the title. If someone wishes to put then in the note section, I would not object. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:25, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pocket Pulse ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?269828; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251391; Should these very old entries by the late PV be changed to Pocket Pulse as the publisher so they merge with all the many others on ISFDB? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:08, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Martha Wells / All Systems Red - Code P1 ==<br />
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Some copies of the original tp of All Systems Red have a code "P1" underneath "First Edition: May 2017" on the copyright page. Other copies have no code; the corresponding area is blank. Does anyone know the meaning of this code? Some online booksellers says this code denotes the first printing (or first state of first printing) but this seems to be their opinion. Is there any independent, documented, verifiable evidence of its meaning? Secondly, how should this be recorded in the ISFDb? We have two records: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?723225 PoD] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?608522 non-PoD]. Should I create a new pub record for the P1 code version or should I just add a pub note to an existing record stating that some copies have this code? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:41, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Rich Grote ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?176753; I added, in a PENDING edit, archived site (online now is dead) richgrote.com and Behance page and wickedlocal.com article which revealed he's from New Jersey. There is a Rick Grote credit, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?112933, but his bio at various sites online says he started in 1976 while this book is from 1975. Also, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?123700, where one actually says Grote in the book while the other was not named but editor entered it from cover signature. So if anyone can say for sure that Grote or Rick Grote are Rich Grote then those can be made variants. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:42, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ash of Stars ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?102752; I was doing a bunch of James Sallis edits recently (links to several short stories, archived link to Shores Beneath, adding a massive collection from 2007 titled Potato Tree) and noticed this book about Delany. I don't do many edits for Delany because I can't stand him personally but I'm sure many people here like his work so I'll mention that the copy on Archive.org, https://archive.org/search?query=sallis+delany, the copy on Amazon.com and the copy on Google Books all have the same ISBN on back cover with the barcode saying 53950 which means price is $39.50 but ISFDB says $42.50. Also, ISBN is for HC supposedly but archived copy looks like TP to me. So if anyone wants to add a link to the copy and fill in anything else or change anything, please feel free. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:58, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Scheduled server maintenance - 3pm 2023-12-15 ==<br />
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The ISFDB server will be down for scheduled maintenance between 3pm and roughly 3:10pm server (EST) time on 2023-12-15 (today). [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:39, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: The server is back up. Thank you for your patience. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:08, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Brian Keith Evenson = Brian Evenson? ==<br />
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Any thoughts/objections on making [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?224599 Brian Keith Evenson] a variant of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ch.cgi?6382 Brian Evenson]? The former has just 2 pieces of short fiction in 1986 and 1989 (both with difficult to Google titles), which slightly predates the earliest work of the latter. Howevever (a) "K." is listed as the middle initial of the legal name of "Brian Evenson" (with [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/evenson_brian SFE] saying this it is "Keith"), and (b) the 1989 story was published by Brigham University, which Wikipedia says is where Brian Evenson got a degree and was later employed. Evenson's site doesn't have any detailed bibliography that might help clarify those two early stories are his. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:39, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:The source given for {{P|654878|The Leading Edge, September 1989}} is FictionMags Index. Checking them, they have these as the same author. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:50, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks - I've now set up variants/alternates for the author and two title records. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:37, 17 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Conan the Valiant ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?982255; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5836070; Added a few archived links to some of Roland Green's Conan novels, went backwards so first novel was looked at last, it already had a link added by someone last year, as can be seen in my edit above the cover is not the same as the later editions, any Ken W. Kelly experts who know his style can say if both are his work in which case art needs unmerging or if Tor mistakenly carried over Kelly's credit for the later art by someone else. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:07, 16 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== F. Piatti ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=co+piatti&type=Name; 2 credits for each, one should be parent assuming credits are correct; maybe they're all really spelled the same and someone just entered one or the other name wrong here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:38, 17 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Done. Thanks for this find! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:36, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Abridged editions? ==<br />
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Do we include abridged editions? I know we don't include dramatizations but the help doesn't seem to say anything about abridged editions. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:02, 17 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Sure we do! It's possible to add them to the general title (and add a note to the publication), or if the abridgement does alter the story in a major way to add it as a variant, or if another hand is credited for the abridgement to add it as a stand-alone title, like in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2918952 this title]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:44, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Thanks for the clarification. I've started to run across a number of audio items that have abridged versions but haven't been sure if I should add them. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:37, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: I have been told that abridgements are certainly accepted, but that they are never added as variants. How to deal properly with them was incorporated when dealing with translations, which are made variants but the difference in language makes it possible to distinguish them from name/author variations. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:39, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: That's certainly true for audio versions/readings: here it is quite a regular case that they are abridged, so they should just be added with a note under the respective title. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:33, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) Abridged editions are included. The [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#How_does_the_ISFDB_deal_with_.22Portions_of_this_story_originally_appeared_in....22.3F FAQ says]:<br />
* If an individual story is rewritten or revised, then we create a Variant Title for it and add the nature of the changes, e.g. "expanded", "abridged" or "restored", in the Notes section. Please note that these conventions are likely to change in the foreseeable future as we beef up our software in this area. <br />
: The [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Feature:90155_Add_an_optional_%22nature_of_the_relationship%22_field_to_the_Make_Variant_screen original Feature Request to change the software] to display "relationships" between titles was created back in 2008, but it hasn't been implemented yet.<br />
: Of course, when dealing with drastically changed titles, e.g. novels reduced to excerpts or short stories expanded to novel length, we create separate title records. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:33, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: To the original question - abridgements are in. I am questioning the varianting advice. I also once noted the lack of documentation on abridgements specifically. The original place I was told not to variant abridgements was in [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive46#Abridgements this] conversation. The argument was that variants were for title / author variations or translations as a special case due to limitations in the software. Only one moderator said so, but no one contradicted, so have been going by this since. There were [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk/archives/archive_25#variant_or_independent_work.3F earlier] and [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Adaptations_and_Abridgements later] discussions (I doubt I found them all) with varying degrees of agreement but no resolution. <br />
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:: And the FAQ reference above was answering a question about portions of a story appearing earlier in a novel that is expanded or created from a series of shorter stories. The [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:MakeVariant HELP on variants] says at the beginning that they are only for title and author variations, but later talks about how to deal with translations (with a link to how-to details). It sounds like abridgements should not be varianted. But there's no help on how to document the relationship to the original - be it in the Notes or a linking template. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:50, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Présence du Futur ==<br />
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Ex-editor Hauck entered some entries in this endless French series but only basic info. I came across a manual which I added as a link, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5837420, although I have no idea if it contains anything useful, then I entered several missing bits of info for Gravité à la manque from Open Library, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5837421. I then came across a title with an actual copy, but rather than stumble my way through entering info from books in a language I'm not fluent in I'm just going to list this, https://archive.org/search?query=%22une+collection+d%27inedits+au+format+de+poche%22&sin=TXT&and%5B%5D=collection%3A%22inlibrary%22, so if anyone can find anything useful to enter from those they can do so. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:34, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Crash Override ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?659223; I added archived link and a few other things in a PENDING edit to the other book by the publisher, the novel The Secret. Publisher actually has no space between the 2 words in its name so I fixed that and then was going to check online to see if it was the same for this much later book but realized this probably shouldn't be here since it's not by a known author and it really has nothing to do with genre. So should it be deleted? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:54, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:I was advised some time ago and it is my understanding that any works shortlisted for a genre award (in this case a Hugo) are considered in. This exception is called out in [[ISFDB:Policy|our policy page]] but only for online publications. Perhaps we should be more specific. Aside from that, my recollection from reading the book in 2018 is that it is chiefly about the Gamergate event which is tightly coupled with the Sad/Rabid Puppies movements. I don't recall how much Quinn went into the latter, but if at all, it would certainly qualify this as a book about speculative fiction. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:51, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::OK. It's PublicAffairs in Amazon look inside so I'm going to fix that so both books on ISFDB will be by the same publisher. EDIT: There's 1 archived copy which was uploaded in May, 2021 but wasn't added until January, 2023 (?!?) so I also added a link to that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:14, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Napoleon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?31091; I added archived links to Minstrel Boy and ...Overhead and fixed formats to TP for both; publisher was also changed to Napoleon Publishing for those 2 and ...Yard because Napoleon & Company, as explained on the copyright pages, is a parent company and Publishing is the actual imprint. The problem now is the 2 e-book Gargoyle editions don't actually show a copyright page on Amazon and, more importantly, Time Thief's beautiful Napoleon cover is nowhere online and ISBN defaults to the Dundurn Press edition's less beautiful cover. Looking at Dundurn's Wiki page they bought Napoleon in 2011 which makes sense because Blogspot page linked in Napoleon's record on ISFDB ends in February, 2011, a month before their Time Thief edition was supposedly published. So maybe someone can say whether Time Thief Napoleon edition should get an unpublished date of 8888-88-88 and whether that and the 2 e-books should have their publisher changed to Napoleon Publishing just to keep everything together. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:13, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== John Allen ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?186482; Likely 3 or 4 different authors on the same page in case anyone can find info to separate some or all of them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:32, 19 December 2023 (EST)</div>
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<div>See [[User talk:Ahasuerus/Archive]] for discussions prior to 2023.<br />
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If you're writing to inform me that you've either added a COVER IMAGE or NOTES to any of my VERIFIED PUBS, please follow [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Ahasuerus/Changes_to_Verified_Pubs&action=edit&section=1 THIS LINK] and add it to the bottom of the list. A link to the pub record would be appreciated. Once the pub has been reviewed, I'll remove your note from the list. Thanks!<br />
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== Cornish ==<br />
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Hi, and Happy New Year! Sorry to add to your plate, but it looks like we need Cornish for {{A|Myghal Palmer}} and {{P|371453|Rebellyans}}. In the obituary, his brother-in-law says this was published in Cornish and that at the time (2005) Palmer was responsible for 4 of the 6 (sic) books published in revived Cornish.... --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 14:02, 3 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: No worries! Cornish is an [https://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/php/code_list.php ISO 639-2-recognized language], so it doesn't cause any issues. I added it [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5529294 a couple of minutes ago]. Happy New Year! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:23, 3 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Such speedy service! TYVM! --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 20:51, 4 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== AddPub Approval page issue ==<br />
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When the title of the new publication does not match the title of the record you are adding into, there is no warning anymore. See [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5561004 here]. It cannot happen outside of an API call (as the field is greyed out) but that makes processing Fixer's AddPub submissions extremely finicky (and is potentially going to lead to more missed mismatches if anyone else uses the API to submit these and the handling moderator relies on the screens to tell them of a mismatch). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:28, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: PS: I think that the problem is that you never show the Publication title now on the screen - so there is no place for the warning to be shown. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:30, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: I see. Thanks for reporting the problem. Let me finish testing the patch that I put together this morning and then I'll work on fixing the bug. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:04, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: OK, I think I have it fixed on the development server, but it's 6:30pm on the East Coast and I don't trust my brain to test things thoroughly at this hour. I'll do the testing tomorrow morning. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:38, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::: No worries - I know to watch out for it and I do not think we have anyone active now that uses the API so we should be fine for a few days. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:11, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::: OK, I think I fixed everything. Please let me know if anything looks wrong. Thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:31, 28 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::: Looks good. Will take a second to get used to it being down there but it makes more sense with how the submission page is structured anyway :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:59, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::::: I figured that having a complete Title record in the Title table and a complete Publication record in the Publication table made more sense. The reviewer no longer needs to guess which Title field values are re-used by the Publication table.<br />
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::::::: I also realized that, for manually created AddPubs, it's possible for the pub's title/authors to get out of sync with the associated title's title/authors. All it takes is for an Edit Title submission to be approved before the AddPub submission is processed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:07, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Mismatched Quotes Weirdness ==<br />
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There is a mismatched quotes warning for the synopsis field in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5583057 this] submitted edit. The warning appears in the proposed value column with the warning cell completely missing. I realize that this is because the missing closing quote makes the browser think that the anchor tag is not finished. I don't know if we want to consider escaping values here, or if this is a rare enough occurrence that we shouldn't worry about a cosmetic issue. In any case, I'll leave it un-approved so you can take a look. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:05, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I see. I think this issue is limited to Notes and Synopsis fields because they are the only ones where we allow embedded HTML (although I see that [[Help:Using Templates and HTML in Note Fields]] doesn't mention Synopsis.) I suppose the ideal solution would be to tell the browser that it should stop parsing HTML at the end of the current table cell, but I am afraid I don't know of a way to do it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:04, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Yellow warning request ==<br />
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I think we need one more yellow warning on the approval screen: when AddPub had been already submitted and someone changes the type of the original we are adding to, you don't get any indication of it. Example [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5589034 here]. I swapped the type from novel to chapbook pre-approval so I can make it in one step so I knew to check but if the approver does not open the resulting new publication, there is nothing to tell them that the work just approved needs work (And with the type missing from the top, they cannot even spot it on the screen). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:48, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: PS: I think we may end up in the same situation with a ClonePub as well - I just don't have one handy as an example. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:56, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Excellent points. {{FR|1561}}, "Enhance AddPub/ClonePub post-submission pages". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:54, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: All done. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 23:41, 7 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:::: Awesome! Can you look at [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5597998 this one]. See the top of the screen that says The Scourge Between Stars • (2023). Historically, and everywhere on the server, the year is shown that way anywhere ONLY if the title date is different from the one of the publication you are working on - so different from 2023-04-04. So seeing a year in bracket, always sent me doing sanity check on dates to see if one may need adjusting. But they match here. Is that intentional? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:20, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::: It looks like it was an oversight in SVN patch 1108, which implemented {{FR|1227}}, "Display the full title line for Add/ClonePub submissions", on 2023-03-05. I am busy today, but I hope to get it fixed tomorrow. Thanks for identifying the issue! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:30, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::: No rush and if it ends up being too complicated, I can get used to it behaving this way going forward. It looked like a quick way to see that the ebook date is not the same as the paper we are adding it to when I do the ebooks for Forthcoming books - that made me recheck the date on the paper one as well a few times today. I can just start comparing the dates on my own instead and ignore the year up there - both dates are on the screen now after all. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:23, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::::: It should be fixed now. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:03, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Author birthplace question ==<br />
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The editor originally entered the birthplace for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?356698 M. L. Weems] as 'Anne Arundel County, Province of Maryland, Thirteen Colonies, British America'; triggering an exception for noncompliance with [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:AuthorFields:BirthPlace this template]. I tried substituting 'England, Kingdom of Great Britain' for 'Thirteen Colonies, British America', but the software still see it as an exception. Is 'Province of Maryland' causing the software to look for USA? What is the correct fix? I'm stumped. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:55, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Checking the code, I see that it expects the names of US states to be followed by ", USA" with a few exceptions: California allows "Baja California", Hawaii allows "Kingdom of Hawaii" and "Republic of Hawaii", Montana allows "Bulgaria", etc. Some of the original 13 colonies allow ", British Empire", but Maryland is not one of them. I'll need to update the code to support ", British Empire" for Maryland and the rest of the colonies. Thanks for identifying the problem! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:12, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: {{Bug|828}} has been created. We'll probably need to update the Help template as well. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:14, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Should I go ahead and update the author in anticipation of the change? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:42, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Please do. It may take me a couple of days to get to it since there is a lot going on right now. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:45, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: I have installed a patch to address the issue. All 13 colonies should be handled properly now. The counts will be updated when the cleanup reports run at 1am EST. Sorry about the delay. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:40, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Self-Approver ==<br />
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Hello, can you please comment on https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Self-Moderation_Request? --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 06:44, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Done. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:03, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Offutt EILSB ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5606444; Do you think the day of publication or the ISBN should be entered? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:49, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Date]] says that:<br />
:* The base date optionally may be made more precise (e.g., supplying the month or day of publication) using information from a secondary source, if that source's date is otherwise consistent with publication's stated date. The source, and which details of the date were obtained from that source, must be recorded in the publication notes.<br />
: so we could make the date more precise and state the source in Notes. <br />
: Re: ISBN, [[Help:Screen:NewPub#ISBN]] allows padding a 9-digit SBN with a zero to make it a valid 10-digit ISBN, but creating a 10-digit ISBN based on a much shorter catalog ID ("64-490") seems like a stretch. We could always raise the question on the Rules and Standards page. For now I have approved the submission. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:49, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Problem with an approved edit ==<br />
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When you have a few minutes, would you mind taking a look at the thread [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Scifibones#Neal_Stephenson_.2F_Snow_Crash Neal Stephenson / Snow Crash]? Thanks [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:31, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: That's odd. I will restore the full backups (which include submission history) on the development server tomorrow morning and see what I can find. Thanks for reporting the issue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 23:55, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: It turns out that this and 4 other publication records were corrupted in 2007-2008. At the time we had major issues with server stability and our software was still going through a "growing pains" phase. I am going to create a database patch and apply it to the live server in a day or two. Until then these 5 publication records' Notes fields will remain uneditable. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:06, 19 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thank you for taking care of this, I know you're busy. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:11, 19 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Thanks for investigating. I'll wait until you give the all clear and then re-submit the edit. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:56, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Glad to be able to help. I have fixed the data and left a note on your Talk page. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:15, 21 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::Yes, the pub record looks fine now. Thanks for the fix. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:36, 21 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Possible minor bug on title-pub date check when adding collections ==<br />
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Hi, I just added the UK ebook of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3142105 Kelly Link's White Cat, Black Dog collection], which seems to have preceded the US pubs by ~3 weeks. I was expecting it to warn me about the pub date being before the title date, but didn't get any yellow warning, which can be seen [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5636253 here]. It did spot that 2 of the stories which inherited the US title/pub date are after that pub date though.<br />
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My guess is this might be down to one of two things:<br />
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1. It's a collection, whereas normally when I get the warning it's on a novel - do those title types perhaps use different code?<br />
2. The check/warning wasn't done here because I cloned the pub, rather than doing an AddPub as I usually do. Again, maybe different checks are being done?<br />
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I won't update the title date for the collection, or the 2 stories, until you've had chance to look into this - I think if I fixed things, it would cause the yellow warnings on the linked submission page to disappear? Regards [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 09:51, 14 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks for reporting the problem! Let me try to replicate it on the development server and see what I find... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:10, 14 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: The problem has been identified and corrected. ClonePub was missing some code that AddPub had. Thanks again for reporting the issue! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:07, 14 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== External IDs and Submission Conflicts ==<br />
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Figured I'd mention this, in case you have some good and simple idea for it. Yesterday I processed a lingering submission that had a host of changes, one of which was adding an LCCN external ID reference. There were no external IDs at the time of submission. After that was submitted, someone with self-approval rights (happened to be a moderator) edited the same pub and added OCLC/Worldcat and Reginald-3 external ID references and accepted that submission.<br />
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No surprise, when I went to process the lingering submission, that considered the external ID situation to be add LCCN and remove both OCLC/Worldcat and Reginald-3. I know the same would have been true had there been a conflicting edit to any other field. It got me to thinking, though, that if we treated external ID removal as some sort of negative addition (a la the use of 0 for removing a variant parent ID) rather than absence of the identifier, then these two additions to the External IDs would not have conflicted.<br />
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Thanks for listening. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:15, 20 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I am afraid I am not sure what "negative addition" would mean in this case. The current logic simply deletes ''all'' old External IDs, then adds the ones that were submitted. How would the proposed logic work?<br />
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: To use the scenario described above as an example, if a publication has an OCLC ID and a Reginald-3 ID and a new submission has an LCCN ID, how would the software know whether the submitting editor meant to ''add'' the LCCN to the two IDs already on file or to ''replace'' them with the LCCN ID? Ditto for "Web pages" and other multi-fields.<br />
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: I suppose we could create new options to "Remove IDs/Web pages/etc", which would be similar to the "Remove Titles from This Pub" option. Once it was in place, we would change the behavior of EditPub to add new values without deleting old values. Is this in line with what you were thinking? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:22, 20 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Yes, I was thinking that "blanking" a value would actually submit some sort of change-this-to-a-special-value that would indicate it should be removed (a la parent ID = 0), rather than simply causing it to be absent. 0 or -1 or DEL might be a good candidate. The back-end processing would have to be more complicated, as it couldn't just delete and add. But it could, for example, delete all of the IDs in the submission (rather than all of the IDs on the pub) and then add the ones in the submission back, except for the special-value ones. You could probably structure the insert's SQL cleverly to not have to filter in the code (e.g., insert into xxx values (...) where [new id value] <> 'SPECIAL-DELETE-THIS-VALUE';). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 09:56, 21 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: The reason we can use "0" as a special value is that our Title IDs cannot be 0. On the other hand, we have no way of telling what strange value a third party may decide to use. We wouldn't want to find ourselves in the same position as a certain government agency which used "Test" as a dummy last name (for testing purposes) until they discovered that people with that last name actually existed :-)<br />
::: Luckily, we don't need to use special values. We can use a new XML element name for a list of "External ID Type-External ID value" pairs to be removed.<br />
::: That said, I am not sure that it will cover all possible scenarios of External IDs getting added, removed and replaced. Let me draw a few diagrams and see what scenarios I can come up with... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:54, 21 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::Thanks for thinking about it. It's obviously NOT hugely important. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:16, 25 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== ISBN Search Case Sensitive ==<br />
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ISBN search is now case sensitive which is a bit of a pain. <br />
* https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=162755646x&type=ISBN returns nothing<br />
* https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=162755646X&type=ISBN returns the pub<br />
Can we get it back to being case insensitive? Probably would just need to convert search term to uppercase when ISBN selected. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:24, 24 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: That's odd. I'll take a look. Thanks for reporting the issue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:02, 24 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: And fixed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:52, 25 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Thank you. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:57, 25 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Merge variant with parent problem ==<br />
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See [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5632434 this submission], but [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?122860 Keep ID] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1863900 Drop ID] are both present. The Drop ID is a variant of the Keep ID, but in the XML it's trying to set the merged record's Parent to Drop ID, which is rather odd. And I also think maybe the message means to say that the proposed parent does not exist? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:46, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks, I'll take a look. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:52, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Earlier this morning I recreated the problem on the development server. I then created {{FR|1565}}, "Disallow Merge Title submissions which would create circular VTs". The FR reads:<br />
:: Currently, the software lets you create a MergeTitle submission which would merge a variant with its parent and make the resulting title record a variant of itself. Since circular variants are not supported by the ISFDB software, these types of submissions are invalid.<br />
:: When it happens, the submission review software makes the submission unapprovable and displays the following error message:<br />
:: "The proposed parent title is the title record which will be kept after the merge."<br />
:: We want to change the software to catch this problem at submission creation time. The error message listed above should be retained in case a title record is turned into a variant between the time the submission is created and the time it's reviewed/approved. However, the text should me made more explicit:<br />
:: "This submission would result in a title that is a parent of itself, which is not allowed."<br />
:: Thanks for identifying the issue! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:46, 7 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::Thanks, and thanks for looking at it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 16:24, 7 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Done -- see the Community Portal announcement. Sorry about the delay: there was another self-variant scenario which I found during testing and had to address. I also rewrote the whole script to make it more maintainable. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:40, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Excellent, thanks. And never any need to apologize for how long it takes to get to something. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 20:54, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Suboptimal behaviour on art award categories for "proper" titles ==<br />
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This isn't a bug IMHO, but it's definitely not ideal - if you're adding an award entry such as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?78553 this one] for the Locus Poll Art/Illustrated category, then only the author gets shown, when it's probably the case that the artist(s) is at least as responsible for the work being nominated. However, if the nominated work was never entered as a title/pub, then the artist does show up along with the author in the untitled award record ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?75885 example]). <br />
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(I'm guessing a similar situation would be in play for translated works, and for audiobook awards if we record any.)<br />
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I can't think of any easy solution for this - obviously the ideal would be if/whenever proper "roles" for a work are addable to the database - but I'm just mentioning it, in case there's anything you can think of as an interim workaround. Maybe something could be done with the award note field, but it'd still be a bit clunky? <br />
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Apologies in advance if this is something that is already known about and has been considered... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 16:40, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: When we create a "title-based" award record, we link it to one -- and only one -- title record. As long as this limitation remains in place, we can't link an award record to multiple title records at the same time.<br />
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: That being said, I am not sure we have this title entered correctly. If you look at [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?946575 this publication record] and pull up its [https://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/147229064X/isfdb-21 Amazon UK page], you will note that it is described as follows:<br />
:* From the Eisner and Bram Stoker-award winning team of Snow, Glass, Apples comes a delightfully humorous and charming new '''graphic novel adaptation'''.<br />
: This suggests that this is not just a reprint of Gaiman's 1992 story "Chivalry" illustrated by Coleen Doran, but a new (derivative) graphic novel by Gaiman and Doran. Once we create a new SHORTFICTION title record for the graphic novel and enter Gaiman and Doran as its authors, we should be able to link the award record to it. Does this make sense? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:16, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks - I've pinged the PVing editor who submitted that title & pubs. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 08:16, 14 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::As the PV and editor that created all of these pubs, I may indeed have attributed the authorship wrong. The copy I have in-hand shows the following on the title page: "Story and Words" [over] "Neil Gaiman" plus "Adaptation, Art, and Illuminated Manuscript Lettering" [over] "Colleen Doran" plus "Lettering" [over] "Todd Klein". Relooking at this, I can see why the author's should be both Gaiman and Doran. If I just change the title record, will that flow down to the pub records as well? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:39, 14 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: I am afraid not. I think the quickest way to address this issue would be to do the following:<br />
::::* Remove the 1992 SHORTFICTION title from each of the 4 affected CHAPBOOK pubs<br />
::::* Change the authorship of the CHAPBOOK title record to "Neil Gaiman" and "Colleen Doran"<br />
::::* Change the authorship of the 4 CHAPBOOK publications which include this title record to "Neil Gaiman" and "Colleen Doran"<br />
::::* Edit the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3169091 "Chivalry"] INTERIORART title by Coleen Doran to be a SHORTFICTION [sic!] title by Coleen Doran and Neil Gaiman; make sure to set the "graphic format" flag<br />
:::: I think that should do it, but we can review the records after the changes are made. You may also want to add a link to this discussion to the Moderator Note field of your submissions. Thanks for chiming in! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:32, 14 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Those changes are submitted except for setting the graphic format flag which has to be done after the type is changed to SHORTFICTION. In this process, I also discovered I had consistently misspelled Colleen (including in the other titles and cover artist) so there are also submissions to correct that. Sigh. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:06, 14 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Everything has been approved and the "graphic format" flag [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3169089 has been set]. I believe the only thing that we still need to decide on is whether the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?78553 previously discussed award record], which is currently linked to the CHAPBOOK title, should be linked to the SHORTFICTION title instead. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:31, 14 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::: The prior award record has been deleted and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?78667 a new one] created against the new shortfiction record. Thanks both. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 17:55, 14 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::: Excellent! :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:32, 14 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::: There is no need to delete an award that is pointing to the wrong record. While on the 'Award Details' screen, select 'Link Award' from the 'Editing Tools' menu and enter the correct record #. This will preserve any useful information. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?78573 This one] for example. I won't need to repeat the research. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:12, 14 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Odd & now missing approval ==<br />
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Hi Ahasuerus. I just approved this submission[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5665296] and got an error message, but when I checked it went through, except it's not in the recently approved or in author history. Thought I should let you know.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 10:52, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I see that the submission errored out -- see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/recent.cgi?0+P this list of ''Errored Out and "In Progress" Submissions''], which can be accessed from the "Moderator Links" section of the navigation bar on the left. "Errored out" submissions are typically due to server problems that we have no control over. Some months the server that we rent experiences more of them than other months. For example, it happened 19 times in December 2022, but only 16 times in January-May 2023. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:31, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Invalid Page Numbers ==<br />
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Please see {{P|303295|this pub}} and the first page number (`42). Is non-standard punctuation something that should be added to the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?287 cleanup report]? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:32, 21 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It's 142, I fixed it in my (pending) edit. Whoever entered contents messed up several page numbers. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:43, 21 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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(edit conflict) From the last database dump:<br />
<pre><br />
mysql> select pubc_page,pub_id from pub_content where pubc_page like "%`%";<br />
+-----------+--------+<br />
| pubc_page | pub_id |<br />
+-----------+--------+<br />
| `42 | 303295 |<br />
| 1` | 389098 |<br />
| |9` | 472957 |<br />
| `51|28 | 249793 |<br />
| 80` | 919331 |<br />
| 6` | 927024 |<br />
+-----------+--------+<br />
6 rows in set (6.89 sec)<br />
</pre><br />
So seems a common enough occurrence of people missing the 1 key and hitting ` instead. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:45, 21 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks for identifying the issue. I will update the cleanup report once I finish the current task. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:42, 21 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: I have updated the cleanup report to include values with a "backtick" (`) character. The new data will become available tomorrow morning. Unfortunately, I couldn't think of any other punctuation characters that could be included because we record page numbers as they appear in publications, including oddball values like "C-1", "C!1", etc. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:46, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Figuring out a Russian name ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3188319 This story] is by a Russian from the Soviet era (1954 or before). Any chance you can figure out who it is? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:00, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:[https://www.google.com/search?q=%22%E8%A9%A6%E5%B0%84%E5%A0%B4%E3%81%AE%E7%A7%98%E5%AF%86%22&hl=en&tbs=li:1&filter=0&biw=1366&bih=667&dpr=1]; right-click, translate to English, if that helps. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:22, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::As far as I can tell, there's no one with the name Арефьев in the database. I couldn't find any connection other than that one page. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:35, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: [https://fantlab.ru/work346891 Here it is]: Тайна полигона by С. Арефьев (I went brute force based on the Japanese name -- there are only that many possible spellings in Russian of that last name. I will update the record. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:33, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Cool. Thanks (to you and Username). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:37, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::And now we have a more-or-less complete entry for the first Japanese science fiction magazine! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:39, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: And I just tracked down the original Russian publication of that story as well :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:43, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Awesome! That's a pretty quick turnaround on translating a story and publishing the translation (end of August to December in the same year). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:47, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::: Yep - it is possible that the translation was done based on pre-publication proofs. I am seeing a few reprints in Russian magazines and newspapers in September 1954: serialization in very early September in За тяжёлое машиностроение (based in Yekaterinburg) and a full story in Молодой сталинец (in Tbilisi) in the middle of the month so I suspect the story was making the rounds before it officially came out. I cannot find anything before that August publication (and that magazine makes sense as a first publication) but now I am curious just how many I will find (I see at least one later serialization in 1957-1958). Maybe there is an earlier one out there in the same year - Fantlab puts in in 1954 (with no details on where) so it is unlikely to find it earlier than that I'd think. :) Always fun to track down old stories :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 20:17, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: (after edit conflict) Quick turnaround indeed. I am not an expert in the area of Soviet-Japanese relations, but the first thing that comes to mind is that the Soviets were trying to improve their relationship with Japan around the same time. In July their First Deputy Foreign Minster Andrei Vyshinski claimed that the USSR wanted to promote trade and cultural exchanges with Japan, ultimately leading to a "normalization" of the relationship. In September Vyacheslav Molotov, the Soviet Foreign Minister, said that the USSR "expresses its readiness to make normal its relations with Japan". It culminated in a Sino-Soviet "Joint Communique" in October in which both countries "express[ed] their readiness to take steps to normalize their relations with Japan". Perhaps the editor(s) thought that it made late 1954 a perfect time to publish a Russian story. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:26, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Weird Duplicate Submissions ==<br />
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This was probably just some weird hiccup, but I thought I would mention it: I made an edit to a {{P|952950|publication}} after accepting the submission. From my side, I got a single moderator approval window. But when I went into the moderation queue after approving that, I saw about 30 duplicate submissions (see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/recent.cgi?0+R Recent Rejections] from 2023-05-28 08:39:42 to 2023-05-28 08:39:44). As far as I know, I didn't do anything different than normal when submitting (ex. holding down a key while submitting). I certainly didn't inadvertently pop-up 30 different tabs or anything like that. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:56, 28 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks for letting me know. It ''is'' exceedingly odd. On rare occasion, something happens between Apache and MySQL that results in a duplicate submission, but I don't think I have ever seen 30 duplicates.<br />
: Checking Apache's log file, I see:<br />
:* [Sun May 28 08:39:42.498256 2023] [cgid:error] [pid 1597558:tid 1597806] (104)Connection reset by peer: AH01270: Error reading request entity data, referer: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editpub.cgi?952950<br />
: which matches the time frame and the publication ID. So something clearly happened at the Apache level, but I am not sure what it was. There are online reports of a regression bug in this area under Apache 2.4.39, which was fixed in 2.4.40, but we are running a later version. I guess we'll have to keep an eye on it. Thanks again. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:41, 28 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: I just noticed I got 3 dupe NewAwards when I was adding this year's Clarke Finalists yesterday; nothing as excessive as described above, but mentioning in case it's of any use. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5685820 5685820] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5685819 5685819] are the same as 5685821, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5685816 5685816] is the same as 56885817. The submit times on the first three and the second pair are the same, the edits which were accepted have approval times a couple of seconds later. I don't recall noticing anything atypical at the time. This was on latest Firefox on Linux.<br />
:: No expectation on you doing any investigation on these, just providing some datapoints if you need them. One thought though: if this keeps happening and no other solution could be found, could you maybe have some sort of hidden field in the edit forms with an UUID generated by JavaScript when the user hits the submit button, which might allow dupes to be detected server side? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 17:05, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Please come share your thoughts ==<br />
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See [[User talk:Nihonjoe#Let My Edits Go|here]]. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:37, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Done. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:54, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Unreject link ==<br />
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It looks like the unreject link doesn't show up in the moderator view (see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5647611 here]), but does show up in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5647611 this view]. Can the unreject link be added to the moderator view page? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:42, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Good catch. {{FR|1567}} has been created. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:55, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Done. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:15, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::Thank you! Now I won't be confused trying to figure out where it is. (^_^;; ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:56, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: I live to serve! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:33, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Submission language ==<br />
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Discussion moved to [[ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard]]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 07:57, 3 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Minor bug: editing an existing pub's date does not have the yellow same warnings re. title date as when adding a new pub ==<br />
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If you add a new pub that has an earlier date than the title date - which I've had a lot of on stuff like Star Trek ebooks - you get a yellow warning about being earlier than the title date, which reminds you to update the title record.<br />
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However, I've just noticed that if you edit a pub to bring the date forward, you don't get the same reminder. Last night I had to fix [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Anniemod#Hachette.27s_Mobius_.28non.3F.29_imprint a couple of pubs for various things including earlier UK pub date], and it was only today when I went to add one of the corresponding ebooks that I realized I never got the title date warning when editing the existing pubs. I've just done some tests to confirm that's the case. Not a big deal in an of itself, but may be a fairly simple copypaste to add the same check when editing an existing pub?<br />
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(I linked the message(s) I've left on Annie's page, as this is a US pseudo-publisher of what are actually UK pubs, which seem to be prone to multiple incorrect fields in the Amazon data that Fixer pushes through; I dunno if there's anything that could be done to warn the approver to be extra careful with submissions for that publisher?) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 16:33, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks, I'll check the date warnings.<br />
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: Re: Mobius, I have tweaked Fixer to let the reviewing moderator know that "Mobius" pubs are suspected UK imports. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:30, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: I have run a few tests on the development server and here is what I see. If you change one of the title dates in the Content section, the software compares the new date with the publication date. If the former is later than the latter, a yellow warning is displayed. However, if you change the publication date value in the Metadata section, the software doesn't compare the new vale with the dates of the titles associated with the pub. {{FR|1569}} has been created. Thanks for identifying the issue! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:18, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Image linking permissions ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?146473 This author] would like to add his website to [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Image_linking_permissions#List_of_sites_granting_permission the list]. Would you mind outlining the procedure [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Petersdrang#Linking_images here]. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:29, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Done. Thanks for the heads up! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:36, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Software and Help updated. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:31, 9 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: I appreciate it. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:06, 9 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Fixer and Clay Harmon's The Flames of Mira ==<br />
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See [[User_talk:Anniemod#Alice_James_-_Grave_Danger_.2F_Clay_Harmon_-_Flames_of_Mira]] for a bit more background/context on this.<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3046445 This] is a Solaris/Rebellion title that came out in hc, ebook and audio last summer, and has a [https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/flames-of-mira-clay-harmon/1140377477?ean=9781786189615 tp] due at the start of July. None of those pubs came from Fixer submissions, which I thought was a bit odd, given that (IMHO) Solaris/Rebellion is a reasonably high profile publisher, albeit not Big 5.<br />
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I download the Fixer files intermittently, and I can see that the ISBNs and ASINs were known. The hc ISBN (9781786185419) was priority 1, but I submitted it first, 2-3 weeks ahead of publication. The ebook ASIN (B0B1QKFFG9) was priority 1 for several months, but I added it earlier this year, several months post publication. The tp (9781786189615) has been in 'n' state since at least February; I have scraped data for it from Waterstones from November last year, and it hasn't changed pub date in that time. Naively I'd have assumed that it would have been given priority 1 as with the hc?<br />
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Obviously I'm more than happy to submit these pubs (*), but I'm just mentioning it in case Fixer is doing something funny with them. Here are relevant bits from the Fixer files I have; the dates are split into 2 groups due to me getting a new dev box recently:<br />
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$ grep -P "(B0B1QKFFG9|B09TQ3ZCT7|B09TQ2K1HG)" */ASIN*txt<br />
_fixer_20220611_/ASINs2022-06-11.txt:B09TQ3ZCT7||n<br />
_fixer_20220611_/ASINs2022-06-11.txt:B0B1QKFFG9||n<br />
_fixer_20220820_/ASINs2022-08-20.txt:B09TQ3ZCT7||n<br />
_fixer_20220820_/ASINs2022-08-20.txt:B0B1QKFFG9||1<br />
_fixer_20230204_/ASINs2023-02-04.txt:B09TQ3ZCT7||n<br />
_fixer_20230204_/ASINs2023-02-04.txt:B0B1QKFFG9||1<br />
$ grep -P "(9781786189615|9781786185419|9781786185426|9781786185402)" */*ISBN*txt<br />
_fixer_20220611_/ISBNs2022-06-11.txt:1786185415|9781786185419|1|<br />
_fixer_20220820_/ISBNs2022-08-20.txt:1786185415|9781786185419|8|<br />
_fixer_20230204_/ISBNs2023-02-04.txt:1786185415|9781786185419|8| <br />
_fixer_20230204_/ISBNs2023-02-04.txt:1786189615|9781786189615|n|<br />
$ grep -P "(9781786189615|9781786185419|9781786185426|9781786185402)" *ISBN*txt<br />
ISBNs2023-04-29.txt:1786185415|9781786185419|8|<br />
ISBNs2023-04-29.txt:1786189615|9781786189615|n|<br />
ISBNs2023-06-03.txt:1786185415|9781786185419|8|<br />
ISBNs2023-06-03.txt:1786189615|9781786189615|n|<br />
$ grep -P "(B0B1QKFFG9|B09TQ3ZCT7|B09TQ2K1HG)" *ASIN*txt<br />
ASINs2023-04-29.txt:B09TQ3ZCT7||n<br />
ASINs2023-04-29.txt:B0B1QKFFG9||8<br />
ASINs2023-06-03.txt:B09TQ3ZCT7||n<br />
ASINs2023-06-03.txt:B0B1QKFFG9||8<br />
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(* With the proviso that the Solaris/Rebellion website is pretty horrible - at least for our purposes - so I've never bothered writing scrapers for it, and rarely look at it. As such, I'm less likely to spot anything that Fixer hasn't caught, than for pubs from the other main UK publishers) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 09:00, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Checking this ISBN in Fixer's "data stores", I see that this is a known issue with the way Fixer processes UK publications. It's caused by the fact we don't have access to the Amazon API on the UK side. When Fixer finds a new ISBN/ASIN at Amazon UK, we query the US API since it's the only option that we have. If the ISBN/ASIN is unknown to the US API as of the time when it appears on the UK side, Fixer records the date when the US API was queried. The date is later checked to prevent Fixer from querying the US API over and over again, which is good if the ISBN/ASIN is never made available on the US side, but bad if it pops up a few weeks (or months) later.<br />
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: In the past I would have said that this was the best that we could do given our limited access to the Amazon API. However, there is an additional twist. A couple of years ago Fixer began capturing UK- and US-specific lists of Amazon "browse nodes" for each ''published'' (as opposed to announced) ISBN/ASIN. Importantly, this list of browse nodes is built separately and doesn't rely on the Amazon API. In the case of ISBN 9781786189615 it means that Fixer knows that it is associated with browse nodes 9803, 16190, 16205 and 10159265011 on the US side.<br />
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: What this means is that I can create a script to examine Fixer's data stores and create a list of ISBNs/ASINs which the Amazon API was not aware of at some point in the past, yet they have at least one associated US browse node on file. I can then send a list of these ISBNs/ASINs to the Amazon API and get their data.<br />
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: I am currently sick and can't really code, but I'll add this issue to my list of things to do. Thanks for reporting the problem! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:04, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks for responding. First of all, please don't feel any obligation to respond to this comment, or this item in general.<br />
:: A question which can hopefully be easily answered with just a yes or no answer: Is the content of the XML files that are in the Fixer dump zip based solely on data obtained from the Amazon US API? I've never examined those XML files before, but I see they have a load of interesting data that's not in the .txt files. However, when I tried grepping for "Flames of Mira" or the tp ISBN 9781786189615, I couldn't find either of them, which makes me suspect they are from your website scraping?<br />
:: (The angle I'm coming at is that if I had a list of UK ASINs and/or ISBNs that Fixer was aware of, but wasn't able to progress due to lack of info from the API, then I could plug them into my workflows.)<br />
:: Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 17:51, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: "Fixer_dump_*.xml" contain API-provided data about ''outstanding'' ISBNs/ASINs. They do not include ISBNs/ASINs without API-provided data. "ASINs*" and "ISBNs*" list all ''known'' ISBNs/ASINs, including rejected (priority 9) and submitted (priority 8) ISBNs/ASINs as well as all ISBNs/ASINs which were not recognized by the Amazon API. I'll try to clarify [[User:Fixer#Fixer_Dumps_and_Lists]] when I am feeling better. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:43, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: {{FR|1571}} has been created. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:22, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Done. Over 5,000 new ASINs/ISBNs have been reconciled with the Amazon API. Going forward, this check will be performed once every 30 days. Thanks again. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:13, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Russian Science Fiction ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5689904; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5689906; The '68 cover image is now unstable; essay "note" in '68 should be "notes" and book title added in parentheses to differ it from same-titled essay in '69. Also, since title is written on covers and inside books with the year on a separate line ISFDB titles should probably have a colon before the year. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:22, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Approved and updated. Thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:23, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== ISBN things ==<br />
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Hi. While working on a submission involving a 1965 pub and an entry we had dated 1965 yet with an ISBN-10, I discovered that the SBN system was formulated in 1966 and went into use in 1967 (see [https://isbn.org/ISBN_history here]). So we couldn't have even an SNB-converted-to-ISBN on a pre-1967 publication (or pre-1966 if we want to be double super extra cautious). Such a combination must indicate a data error. Perhaps (a) worth a clean-up report and (b) a different/stronger warning than the ISBN-on-a-pre-1970-publication that comes up now.<br />
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And if that's not enough, while on the subject of submission warnings, I noticed I can change the publication date on an entry with an ISBN to something pre-1970, and there is no warning that the date conflicts with the presence of an ISBN. Don't know how often an occasion for such a warning might come up, but I figured I'd mention it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 16:19, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Good points. {{FR|1572}}, "Cleanup report to find pre-1967 pubs with ISBNs" and {{FR|1573}}, "Enhance yellow warnings for invalid ISBNs", have been created. Thanks for identifying and researching the issues! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:55, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: The requested cleanup report has been deployed. The data will become available tomorrow morning. I expect it to find 49 suspect records. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:16, 16 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::Like magic! Thank you very much! --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 14:34, 16 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: And now ISBN-related yellow warnings [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Yellow_warnings_for_ISBNs_enhanced have been updated]. All at no extra charge! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:57, 17 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: I will have to stop by this service station more often! :) --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 17:28, 17 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Weird broken Amazon image URLs ==<br />
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Do you remember a week or two ago a brief discussion on AvR's talk page about [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?946005 The Shadow Casket]. The image for that is now broken - for me at least - and I'm pretty sure that given the number of people in that convo, we'd have noticed if the image was broken.<br />
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The URL is https: //m.media-amazon.com/images/W/IMAGERENDERING_521856-T1/images/I/81FChyMyBoL.jpg , and I remember seeing a broken author author image that had a similarly odd URL. I felt a bit guilty for not fixing it at the time, but maybe that's for the best, as it means I can see the URL. The author page is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?289093 Christine Lynn Herman] and the image URL is <br />
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/W/IMAGERENDERING_521856-T2/images/S/amzn-author-media-prod/clgq9m1ps2900n7okbhukhk08g.jpg<br />
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A query of the authors table finds 31 that have this type of Amazon URL, and every single one of the half-dozen I checked is broken (apologies for not working out how to stop MediaWiki trying to render the URLs):<br />
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MariaDB [isfdb]> select author_id, author_canonical, author_image from authors where author_image like '%IMAGERENDERING%';<br />
+-----------+-------------------------+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+<br />
| author_id | author_canonical | author_image |<br />
+-----------+-------------------------+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+<br />
| 10435 | Kathleen Duey | https://m.media-amazon.com/images/W/IMAGERENDERING_521856-T2/images/I/31TmaK9WZ0L.jpg |<br />
| 22753 | Heinrich Hoffmann | https://m.media-amazon.com/images/W/IMAGERENDERING_521856-T2/images/I/419Do0GUmwL.jpg |<br />
| 29899 | Liz Kessler | https://m.media-amazon.com/images/W/IMAGERENDERING_521856-T2/images/I/619wx8-QOML.jpg |<br />
| 39861 | Derek Landy | https://m.media-amazon.com/images/W/IMAGERENDERING_521856-T2/images/I/31cWOMUfJGS.jpg |<br />
| 131176 | Alexandra Bracken | https://m.media-amazon.com/images/W/IMAGERENDERING_521856-T2/images/I/819SJODhZ+L.jpg |<br />
| 161583 | Diane Cook | https://m.media-amazon.com/images/W/IMAGERENDERING_521856-T2/images/I/71UX3sOXLnL.jpg |<br />
| 177558 | Stefan Bachmann | https://m.media-amazon.com/images/W/IMAGERENDERING_521856-T2/images/I/A1xHtZ3M-zL.jpg |<br />
| 183281 | Paul Flora | https://m.media-amazon.com/images/W/IMAGERENDERING_521856-T2/images/I/51v5gud8QyL.jpg |<br />
| 188214 | George P. Saunders | https://m.media-amazon.com/images/W/IMAGERENDERING_521856-T2/images/I/71SH46pdvvL.jpg |<br />
| 190229 | Andreas Wolf | https://m.media-amazon.com/images/W/IMAGERENDERING_521856-T2/images/I/71vJbo1DSVL.jpg |<br />
| 192019 | Kass Morgan | https://m.media-amazon.com/images/W/IMAGERENDERING_521856-T2/images/I/B14iUjkK82S.jpg |<br />
| 196879 | Claire Legrand | https://m.media-amazon.com/images/W/IMAGERENDERING_521856-T2/images/I/7131VGFrkNL.jpg |<br />
| 232554 | Devin Goff | https://m.media-amazon.com/images/W/IMAGERENDERING_521856-T2/images/I/51v+7rXSIFL.jpg |<br />
| 233842 | Beth W. Patterson | https://m.media-amazon.com/images/W/IMAGERENDERING_521856-T1/images/S/amzn-author-media-prod/jdf4qa33vsfth1s7g1j7thuic9.jpg |<br />
| 234917 | Christopher Jackson-Ash | https://m.media-amazon.com/images/W/IMAGERENDERING_521856-T2/images/I/91Ah4KTaofL.jpg |<br />
| 235568 | Ruben Wickenhäuser | https://m.media-amazon.com/images/W/IMAGERENDERING_521856-T2/images/I/61SaMNAoJIL.jpg |<br />
| 239090 | María Kodama | https://m.media-amazon.com/images/W/IMAGERENDERING_521856-T2/images/I/71F+XRCj68L.jpg |<br />
| 254317 | Amanda Foody | https://m.media-amazon.com/images/W/IMAGERENDERING_521856-T2/images/S/amzn-author-media-prod/u4abbvfg1tudi0to7o45d333gt.jpg |<br />
| 256354 | Linsey Miller | https://m.media-amazon.com/images/W/IMAGERENDERING_521856-T2/images/I/61muTfRK+HL.jpg |<br />
| 273305 | C. S. Poe | https://m.media-amazon.com/images/W/IMAGERENDERING_521856-T1/images/S/amzn-author-media-prod/d2pe03dn10gkla00dpj4jbef3i._SX300_CR0%2C0%2C0%2C0_.jpg |<br />
| 275416 | Kimberly Rei | https://m.media-amazon.com/images/W/IMAGERENDERING_521856-T1/images/S/amzn-author-media-prod/2jqnl9425ril58v8ucr146fb2l.jpg |<br />
| 281179 | Akwaeke Emezi | https://m.media-amazon.com/images/W/IMAGERENDERING_521856-T2/images/I/B1kaH2bQ+RS.jpg |<br />
| 281212 | Juno Dawson | https://m.media-amazon.com/images/W/IMAGERENDERING_521856-T2/images/I/717-8cK7fjL.jpg |<br />
| 289093 | Christine Lynn Herman | https://m.media-amazon.com/images/W/IMAGERENDERING_521856-T2/images/S/amzn-author-media-prod/clgq9m1ps2900n7okbhukhk08g.jpg |<br />
| 290863 | Matthias Kringe | https://m.media-amazon.com/images/W/IMAGERENDERING_521856-T2/images/I/B17SFjrUySS.jpg |<br />
| 301962 | Salla Simukka | https://m.media-amazon.com/images/W/IMAGERENDERING_521856-T2/images/I/61--wdQuSKL.jpg |<br />
| 317118 | Christian Wehrschütz | https://m.media-amazon.com/images/W/IMAGERENDERING_521856-T2/images/I/81z+oUY-1rL.jpg |<br />
| 347902 | Julia Glass | https://m.media-amazon.com/images/W/IMAGERENDERING_521856-T2/images/I/31ghTQ7P83L.jpg |<br />
| 360495 | Little Chmura | https://m.media-amazon.com/images/W/IMAGERENDERING_521856-T2/images/S/amzn-author-media-prod/ustlqjalpaddc5khvjlerenak6.jpg |<br />
| 360510 | Lisa Eckhart | https://m.media-amazon.com/images/W/IMAGERENDERING_521856-T2/images/I/712xDA+4VKL.jpg |<br />
| 361089 | Philip Chase | https://m.media-amazon.com/images/W/IMAGERENDERING_521856-T1/images/S/amzn-author-media-prod/41ib2dmfgj6mg6hq62p36om9v3.jpg |<br />
+-----------+-------------------------+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+<br />
31 rows in set (0.060 sec)<br />
<br />
A similar query on the pubs table finds 590 matches:<br />
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select pub_id, pub_title, pub_frontimage from pubs where pub_frontimage like '%imagerendering%';<br />
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I've looked at a smaller number of these, and they're all broken. Seem to have come from a variety of editors, so it's not just one person being weird. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?946039 The most recent pub] (going off max pub_id) was submitted in April, which makes me thing Amazon may have been doing something weird, but have now stopped?<br />
<br />
The /images/I/ URLs look like they could be transformed into working ones - although I've not yet tested - but the /images/S/ ones don't look like anything I recognize. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 16:53, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I've noticed the same thing but didn't bother writing about it because I figured nobody would care much or that it was just temporary. One instance I mentioned to RTrace for a book he entered recently and he deleted the image but I've seen others since; they say "Bad Request". Amazon is not good and they changed their images to that stupid image-rendering thing last year, I think, then forgot about it and now we have some broken images. A mod is needed to fix that, I guess. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:06, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: I had a feeling I'd seen some discussion about broken images that might have been the same thing as this, but I didn't find anything after a brief search.<br />
:: I've hacked up a script to submit automated edits to fix these via the web API, but I need someone to enable my access to that. Once that's done, it should be relatively painless to submit the image fixes in batches, albeit fairly tedious to accept the ~600 edits. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:25, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: I have created {{SR|217}} to give you access to the Web API. I hope to get it done tomorrow morning. Once the permissions are in place, please confirm that the first couple of auto-generated submissions are formatted correctly before submitting the rest of the batch. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:07, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: The WebAPI has been updated. Please let me know if you run into any issues. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 00:37, 12 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: I think that these URLs are temporary - thus stopping to work after a time. I wonder if we won’t be better off changing the software to enforce the Amazon URL formats automatically - that will also solve all the formatting parameters not being cleaned up. The image ID in these is correct - it is the path that is broken. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:40, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Given the number of possible formats and Amazon's relatively frequent changes, I am not sure we could account for all possible permutations and make on-the-fly translation viable.<br />
<br />
:::: That said, I haven't looked into this issue in a year or two, so perhaps I am out of the loop. Is there a way to build a stable URL for Amazon-hosted images based on the pseudo-ID (e.g. "31ghTQ7P83L") value? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:35, 12 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Possibly I'm misunderstanding the question, but the ones with the 10 character ID are easily fixed using a regex like this:<br />
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good_image_url = re.sub('.W.IMAGERENDERING.*images', '', bad_image_url)<br />
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::::: I've fixed the first 100 pubs with these image URLs via the API e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5690444 5690444]. Every single one was previously broken, and all of them were fixed with that part of the URL removed. I've not looked at the longer URLs e.g. https: //m.media-amazon.com/images/W/IMAGERENDERING_521856-T2/images/S/amzn-author-media-prod/ustlqjalpaddc5khvjlerenak6.jpg , as these only crop up on the author pages. <br />
::::: I'd guess any Amazon image URL containing "IMAGERENDERING" should prompt a yellow warning at the least? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 10:47, 12 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: My understanding of Annie's idea -- "chang[e] the software to enforce the Amazon URL formats automatically" -- was roughly as follows:<br />
::::::* The submission validation software would extract the "ID" part from the submitted URL, presumably by looking for the value between the last "/" character and ".jpg|.gif|.png"<br />
::::::* The software would then build a stable image URL by inserting the extracted ID into a standard URL<br />
:::::: If this is turns out to be possible, then I would be all for it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:55, 12 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::: At least for covers, all of these variations lately (IMAGERENDERING and the WEBP ones (see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?319082 this one] for example), already have an /images/I/ in their paths. I think that this is a newer way for Amazon to do formatting - they used to stick it into the filename, now they do that so I have a feeling we will see more of these. But unlike the other formatting, some of these are apparently unstable/temporary (I'd guess they are caching images in specific sizes as opposed to re-sizing every time thus the files disappearing when the server caches expire). <br />
::::::: So if we check for /images/I/ and grab what is behind it, we should be able to easily replace with one of the two valid prefixes thus clearing any images/I already coming in. The author ones are in difference spaces and naming so I would not touch them I think... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:39, 12 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Web API niggles/observations ==<br />
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Some stuff that may or not be easily fixable, I can do the wiki docs, but I'd prefer for you to be aware of that before any make any changes:<br />
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1. [[Web_API]] still refers to http rather than https URLs, notably in the submission.cgi section. For the GET API calls, there seems to be a seamless redirect to the HTTPS URL, so you don't notice the problem, but the POST fails with a non-obvious error message about malformed XML. (Or possibly the redirect "fix" is due to me doing the GETs in a browser, but the POSTs from a script/library, with the former redirecting but not the latter.)<br />
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: Thanks for doing the research and reporting your findings! I have updated the documentation page. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:52, 12 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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2. Despite the sample code at [[Web_API#Example_python_script_utilizing_submission.cgi]] implying otherwise, I always got HTTP 200 status code back. It would be super-nice to have more meaningful HTTP response codes for errors, but I don't expect that from a "hobby" site, given I've seen plenty of commercial/professional APIs guilty of the same crime. It would be good to have the Wiki docs explicitly say though that you might get a 200 status code, but have an error that you need to dig into XML to see.<br />
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: The documentation page has been updated, thanks. Low priority {{SR|218}}, "Update HTTP error codes within the WebAPI", has been created. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:10, 12 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Done -- please see [[Web_API#Error_Conditions_2]] for details. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:56, 18 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks. If it's OK, I'll experiment tomorrow with doing some deliberately submissions to see if the responses returned are what I'd expect? I'm on the last <100 of the ~600 broken Amazon image fixes, so I'll pick from a handful of those. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:05, 18 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: I think it should be fine, at least within reason. The WebAPI doesn't perform the kind of in-depth validation that the regular, manual, submission process performs, so things like missing required fields could cause problems and probably error out at submission review time. Malformed XML, a missing License Key value, etc should be straightforward. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:04, 18 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: No worries. I just wanted to test that the script I had did the right thing when an HTTP error status was returned, but I didn't want to cause alarm if you've got something that monitors the logs or alerts you when such bad requests come in. I've done about half-a-dozen, and I'm happy that my code does what it should, so you won't see any more. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 07:32, 19 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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3. On my first accepted edit via the API, the (self)mod page had a yellow warning, because I'd slightly mangled the fixing of the Amazon URL. In an ideal world, the yellow warnings would be included in the API response - whilst still having an "OK" status - but I guess the code/workflow doesn't have the checks for all the different types of edits when the API request is parsed. Rather than worry about adding that functionality - which I doubt has a good cost/benefit ration - there should probably be a brief mention on the Wiki docs that yellow warning checks won't appear in the response.<br />
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: [[Web_API#Successful_Completion]] has been updated, thanks. Low priority {{SR|219}}, "Enhance validation of WebAPI submissions", has been created. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:19, 12 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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4. I suspect the self moderator UI is much less user friendly for doing large numbers of acceptances, compared to the "real" moderator pages? To accept just one of my API submissions, I have to do:<br />
1. Click on My Pending Edits<br />
2. Click on one of the edits<br />
3. Scroll down the page a bit (unless I have a large screen and/or reduce the zoom)<br />
4. Click on Self-Approver View<br />
5. Scroll down a bit again<br />
6. Click on Approve<br />
7. go back to the first step to do more<br />
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I think the mod pages have some sort of "go to next edit in the queue link"? It would be nice if the post-approval page had something like that, but I suspect this would have to be added to every single such script?<br />
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(This UI isn't a problem when you're doing submissions manually, because there's only one or two extra clicks and scrolls, which are minimal compared to the actual entry of new data.) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 08:16, 12 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Good point. The current self-approver workflow was created for the manual submission process; I didn't think of the implications for the Web API side of things. {{FR|1574}}, "Self-approvers should be able to go to the Next Submission", has been created. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:28, 12 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks for all the tweaks. Like I say, I've had to deal with APIs that had a load more WTFery, so the fact that I was able to get these fixes in quickly was a relief.<br />
:: (I've considered whether to do the AddPubs from my tooling via the API rather than copypaste, but it seemed like that would only make the unambiguous submissions really easy, but all the awkward ones would still need a lot of manual intervention - like Annie has to do with Fixer submissions - so whilst it would probably reduce the total amount of time I spend on AddPubs, the average level of brainpower and effort required per submission would probably rise.) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 10:52, 12 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: For what it is worth, I do not have NextSubmission when I am working on Fixer's queue (because "Next" skips over the things on hold -- which is where all my Fixers are). I've learned to just keep the list of them open and not press the button. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:21, 20 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Conflicting edits issues ==<br />
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When you have a chance: [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Anniemod#Zelazny_-_The_Chronicles_of_Amber%3A_Volume_I see this]. I had noticed that for a long time (long before the migration) but I keep forgetting to ping you about it. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:11, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Translator (and other contributor types) status? ==<br />
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Do you have a projected time frame for when the contributor type feature might be added? When it gets implemented, we can add [https://besttranslationaward.wordpress.com/about/ this award], which is given to translators in Japan. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:32, 22 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I am afraid it will require a significant amount of design and development work, so it's a long term goal :-( [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:55, 24 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I remember it being a major feature to add, and that it would take a lot of work. Hopefully, it will happen in the next couple years. Thanks for all your hard work. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:26, 26 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Unfortunately, my health hasn't been all that it could be for the last 4 years, so my current emphasis is on updating the existing software -- including Fixer -- to be able to continue to function even if I become unavailable. There are certain related dependencies like Al's work on upgrading the software from Python 2 to Python 3, which is a big can of worms. Wheels within wheels... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:59, 26 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== New spammer ==<br />
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I just blocked & deleted two spammers (Slotmm and SPIN68GACORR) who I suspect are the same person/bot. In the meantime user accounts Slotmm13 and SlotMega38 are created, obviously also from the same source. Should these be blocked before spam is added, or should I wait? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 16:13, 22 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I would block them. If it turns out they are legit, they can always be unblocked. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:26, 22 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: I agree that these 2 are obvious spam accounts and can be blocked. Unfortunately, we have literally thousands of idle spam accounts which have been created over the years, so it's a drop in the ocean. Many have suspicious names, but it's not always a 100% guarantee, so I usually leave them alone until the owner spam-edits a page. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:40, 22 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: That makes sense. I'll leave them for now. See what happens. Thanks! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 07:23, 23 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== SciFiwise ==<br />
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Please see [[User_talk:Petersdrang#SciFiwise%20Magazine|this post]] regarding image permissions. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:32, 23 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks, I'll try to update the software later today. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:54, 24 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Done. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:44, 24 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Fixer and disambiguating similarly named imprints ==<br />
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Hi, does Fixer have any configuration regarding imprints and their ISBN ranges, and how the latter might be used to disambiguate when we have similarly named imprints?<br />
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I've just posted [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Anniemod#Magpie_redux a head's up on Annie's page] about 2 newish UK imprints, which both appear on Amazon as "Magpie". If Fixer picks up releases from either of those - and I think it has done at least one - it would be good if it could put the correct name in the submission based on the ISBN. Obviously things aren't going to be that simple for ebooks or audios that only have ASINs.<br />
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This maybe isn't going to be a big problem, as it looks like one of the 2 Magpies probably won't be publishing many ISFDB-eligible works, but if there's something already in place that can help avoid mixing them up, then that'd be great. Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:29, 25 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I have posted a response on Annie's Talk page. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:34, 25 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Newest DB backup not accessible ==<br />
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Getting a "You need access / Request access, or switch to an account with access. Learn more" message on browsers that have Gmail sessions, and on one that doesn't, it prompts me to log in.<br />
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Sorry for jumping on you a few minutes after you uploaded them, but I usually try to sync my local data ASAP.<br />
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OTOH, given that Reddit and Twitter both seem to have destroyed their services in the past 24 hours, maybe Google has decided to join them and broken something on their end? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:16, 1 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Nope, it was a permissions issue on the file. It should be fixed -- please try it now. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:31, 1 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: All looks good now, thanks. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:55, 1 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Historical publication data via forthcoming books page ==<br />
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I dunno if you've seen [https://old.reddit.com/r/printSF/comments/14pcpyv/archive_of_locus_s_forthcoming_books/ this /r/printSF post] yet? (Too early for your TZ I suspect.) I'm currently refusing to post to Reddit due to the API changes and (more pertinently) how they've been managed, but if not, I might have posted that there's an AFAIK undocumented feature with the forthcoming books page to get it to display historical data e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/fc.cgi?date+8+1980 August 1980]. <br />
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Assuming this isn't a problem in terms of increased CPU/memory load - I guess it's selecting hundreds of rows from titles, pubs, authors, publishers plus the "inbetween" tables, so it potentially is - maybe there could be some calendar page vaguely similar to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?15031 the magazine grid] - to make that historical data more accessible? Maybe only to logged in users, similar to advanced search? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 07:17, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The Forthcoming Books page uses the same logic/code as the "Month of Publication" search available from the regular Search drop-down. Is this what you had in mind? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:20, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Ah, thanks - yes, that does get to the same end result I was thinking of. Despite using the search box and drop-down any number of times most days, I don't think that option had ever registered in my brain :-( In other circumstances, I'd be embarrassed, but the fact that someone else also failed to notice it - thanks for replying to him on Reddit BTW - makes me think that it's not as discoverable as it might ideally be?<br />
:: If you are happy with the general idea, and amenable to adding it to the site after being reviewed, I am more than willing to build a "historical publications" script that would fit alongside the ones in the "Other Pages" sidebar section. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 11:43, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Could you please clarify the content/layout of the Web page(s) that the proposed "historical publications script" would generate? Would it be a single HTML table with:<br />
:::* one row per year<br />
:::* one column per month<br />
:::* an "fc.cgi" link in each table cell<br />
::: ? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:09, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: Yes, probably with the restriction that it only shows a decade at a time, and some sort of nav bar across the top to allow you to choose the decade, and defaulting to the current decade if non-explicitly specified. Obviously it'll be clearer when there's something real to look at, but that approach strikes me as easier for a user to deal with than having all years on one page. Again it'll be easier to tell once there's a real page, but I'm guessing there aren't enough pubs to bother with decades prior to the 1900s, and maybe not until the 1920s or 1930s? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 12:31, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: That sounds a bit like what the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/most_popular_table.cgi?0 Titles Ranked by Awards and Nominations] page does, although the details would be necessarily different. If we were to replicate the layout of the main HTML table, we could have the links in each "Year" cell take you to an intermediate page with a single-row table with cells for January-December. Clicking the name of each month would then take you to "fc.cgi" for the month/year combination. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:41, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: NB: as far as I can think, this would just be a fairly dumb script that doesn't touch the database at all - whilst I'm sure it would be nice to have something like counts of the number of pubs in each year in each cell, that's probably way too CPU intensive, unless there are some extant cached stats - e.g. the underlying numbers for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/stats.cgi?6 this chart] - that could be leveraged? (Without looking at the code, I think those charts are generated weeekly as images, as opposed to having cached data that's rendered into charts on request?) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 12:31, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Our weekly charts like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/stats.cgi?5 Titles by Year of First Publication] are SVG-driven with the stats retrieved from the database every Sunday morning. The reason that they are rebuilt once a week is that the SQL code locks multiple tables when it runs, which affects performance.<br />
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::::: We could try to do something similar for the proposed table, but I'll have to check the impact on performance. Some SQL queries are more impactful than others. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:46, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Untitled awards for people who don't have author records, and transliterated names ==<br />
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This is a minor issue in the overall scheme of things, and off the top of my head, I can't think of a solution which isn't either (a) more effort than it's worth and/or (b) a bit hacky, but I'll mention it just in case you can think of something:<br />
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I added all the Chinese Hugo finalists yesterday. For the categories which are for people rather than works, and so use the untitled award functionality, it would be nice to have some sort of facility for entering and displaying transliterated names. This mostly affects editors, but artists and fanwriters can also be affected if their work doesn't really fit ISFDB requirements for published work.<br />
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For these people, I entered them with their names in Chinese characters, which I think makes sense given that's the region where their work has been. However this is obviously not great for people who can't read those names. Being able to enter transliterated names for untitled awards would help a bit.<br />
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Possibly you could add a trans_author_id column to awards as a foreign key to trans_authors, but that would only allow for a single transliteration, which may or may not be enough? Obviously there'd need to be code changes to support that.<br />
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Alternatively, there could be some convention to indicate author transliterations in the award_author field, similar to the + syntax for separating multiple authors. (I appreciate the + is an internal implementation detail that's not exposed to editors or site visitors.) e.g. 鲁般|Lu Ban. This feels like it might be a bit hacky though? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 09:13, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: When "transliterated values" were added to the core ISFDB tables (authors, titles, pubs, publishers, series, pub series), the underlying principle was to allow an unlimited number of transliterations per original value. The reason for it was that the existence of multiple transliteration systems per language/alphabet/script. For example, there at least a dozen reasonably well known transliteration systems for Cyrillic. Since it's a one-to-many relationship, we needed to add a new table for every "transliterated value" field -- see [[Database_Schema#Transliteration_Tables]] for a list of the currently supported tables and their schemas.<br />
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: Re: awards, we have {{FR|1295}}, "Allow entering transliterated values for awards-related values". Currently it covers Award Type names, Award Category names and custom "Displayed Award Levels" (see {{FR|656}} for details.) I am going to add "Title for awards not linked to an ISFDB title record" to the list. Thanks for pointing out this gap. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:52, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: {{FR|1295}} has been updated. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:54, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: P.S. Re: "the + syntax for separating multiple authors", I assume you are referring to the fact that author names are delimited using the "plus" sign in submission payloads. It was a kludge implemented early on. It prevents author names which include legitimate plus signs from being recorded correctly. Unfortunately, changing it to proper XML would require not only non-trivial changes to the software, but also updating existing XML in the submission table, a non-trivial undertaking. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:01, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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A slightly different issue/suggestion: A fairly cosmetic change that might help, and I think should be relatively uncontroversial and easy to implement - the only way to see the award record is by clicking on the * hyperlink, which isn't very visible or intuitive. For untitled awards, could we make the title (for stuff like dramatic presentation) and/or author name be a hyperlink to the same award_details.cgi page? For these Chinese finalists, I've tried to provide details about who they are and what they've done in the note ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?78908 example]), but that's not very discoverable. One downside is that for entries that have a mix of "proper" authors and "untitled" authors (e.g. the episode of The Expanse that has 2 known authors and 2 unknown authors), having the hyperlinks go to different types of page could perhaps be mildly disconcerting? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 09:13, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I am looking at [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ay.cgi?23+2023 ''2023 Hugo Award''] and I agree that the asterisks don't look particularly intuitive. They are a bit more intuitive on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ay.cgi?23+2022 ''2022 Hugo Award''] because numbered entries put them in context, but it's still not ideal. I am thinking that replacing "*" with "details" would be a step in the right direction. I am going to post about this issue on the Community Portal to see what other editors think. Thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:33, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Setting up a local instance of the database+Apache+etc in the HTTPS era ==<br />
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So as a consequence of the above - and at least one other recent convo - I thought it was long past time I got a runnable copy of the site running on my current dev box. I've done this in the past, but not recently. I'm just looking at the README (which hasn't changed since 2018) and I notice it doesn't mention the PROTOCOL value which is now in localdefs.py, and as the default value of https.<br />
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At this point I start to shiver nervously, remembering how much pain it can be getting https working on a local dev box e.g. LetsEncrypt cert generation doesn't work unless you do network/firewall faffery, locally generated certs expire after a week and can be finicky about localhost vs the actual machine name, browsers disable some browser features on unencrypted pages etc etc.<br />
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My guess is that changing PROTOCOL to http should avoid all of that, and go back to running an instance of ISFDB as it was in the pre-HTTPS era. Whilst I'll experiment with doing that, I wanted to check in with you to see if that sounds right, how you run a dev system these days, etc.<br />
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I do see that [[ISFDB:Personal_Linux_Website]] has the PROTOCOL value as http, implying that should work. If that Wiki page is kept up-to-date with current practice, maybe the best thing to do is to update the README to point at that page, so that we don't need to keep 2 sets of docs in sync. Also, maybe change the copy of localdefs.py to default to http, as I could imagine that's something that a complete newbie to the code might not notice needs changing from the default?<br />
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Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 10:18, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: You are right, the README file is out of date. Wiki-based instructions -- see https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Installation_instructions -- were updated in September 2022 after the HTTPS migration, but I'll need to review them to make sure that all Web pages are internally consistent. I'll try to move any shared text to templates. {{SR|220}}, "Update installation instructions for HTTPS/Python 2.7/MySQL 8", has been created. Thanks for reporting the issue!<br />
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: The good news is that my development server is running on HTTP/Cygwin without any issues and the only difference vis a vis the live server is that the PROTOCOL value is set to "http". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:23, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: The README file has been updated. Looking into the Wiki-based instructions now. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:45, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: The Wiki pages have been updated. There is only one outstanding issue with x64 binaries, which will hopefully be resolved soon-ish. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:20, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks. As you could probably infer from the demo screenshot I posted to Community Portal, I got my dev system working. There were a few more hurdles that had to be dealt within, compared to the last time I got the site code running locally - my newish dev box uses the latest Fedora (38), and that defaults to Python 3.11. By default, this means all the CGI scripts fail over the print statements not having parentheses. There is a version of Python 2 available, but you'd have to explicitly reference it in the shebang line as #!/usr/bin/python2, but /usr/bin/python is hardcoded in the Makefiles.<br />
::: In any case, I've been using a virtualenv to get a clean, separated version of Python 2 for working on the ISFDB code, and introduces an additional wrinkle. There's a not-too-bad solution to create a ~5 line wrapper script that invokes your virtualenved Python 2 on the CGI scripts, and you have to set that wrapper script as the value that replaces _PYTHONLOC.<br />
::: All of this is a longwinded way of saying that I want to write a patch that allows you to do something like "make -B install /path/to/preferred/python/executable/or/wrapper/script", with the default being the existing /usr/bin/python setting. Unfortunately I've pretty much forgotten all I ever knew about Makefiles, not that I've ever found them particularly intuitive. In the short term I got round the problem by hardcoding the wrapper script's path in local.mk, but that's obviously no good for anyone else. I'll try to dig out some docs on Makefiles and submit a patch sooner rather than later - although where it will get prioritized against all the other projects I've created for myself lately is a good question :-(<br />
::: BTW, I saw the Fixer stuff you sent through the other week. I did have a brief look at it, and I think there's similar stuff I'd like to suggest/provide a patch for, to make it more amenable to working in alternative environments. Unfortunately because Fixer doesn't directly impact me, I doubt that'll be any time soon. (Although looking at the code, I think it might be possible to leverage some of the Fixer functionality to improve my tools, to make them more proactive about finding pubs, rather than the current setup which is very dependent on me noticing that certain pubs aren't in the DB - see [[User:ErsatzCulture/ISFDBCheckerWebExtension]] for some belated docs, the code has been in my public GitHub repo for a while. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 16:18, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Re: making "make" changes, I would suggest raising this issue with Al. He's been working on the Python 3 upgrade and may have modified the build process as part of the project. My cursory review suggests that it may be possible to turn "/usr/bin/python" into another variable defined in common/localdefs.py [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:20, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Awards where the title has multiple authors, but some have declined ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?205470 S. B. Divya] has announced that she declined 2 Hugo nominations. One is a novelette, and I've added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?78990 an appropriate entry for that], even if I guess it's not technically official until the stats report becomes available.<br />
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The other is more awkward, as it's a joint editorship of a semiprozine. I've added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?78952 a note] to explain the situation, and to try to pre-empt any complaints. However, this isn't visible on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3137421 the title page] or [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/eaw.cgi?205470 her award page].<br />
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One "solution" would be to unlink the award from the title, which I think might then allow you to edit the authors? I'm definitely not going to try that without a second or third opinion, and losing the link to the title record doesn't seem good. There might be some hack with editing the award_author value to lose the leading "S. B. Divya+", but I don't think that would solve the problem with the title.cgi or eaw.cgi pages?<br />
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I don't know if you're already aware of them, but there are a couple of other issues doing the rounds at the moment - e.g. wrt anthology contributors being listed as awards nominees - but this one seems like it might be more urgent to deal with, to whatever extent is feasible.<br />
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I'll ping Rtrace, as he's by far the most prolific on the awards records, and may have thoughts. Thanks.<br />
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(BTW, I haven't forgotten about the stuff I raised on Community Portal the other day regarding making the links to notes more obvious, but there have been a number of things that have sprung up from doing these awards, that have taken much of my attention.) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 07:38, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: "Some authors/editors accepting a nomination and some authors/editors declining it" is a scenario that I don't think I have seen before. I can't think of a way to handle it given the current database schema, but perhaps I am missing something. I would suggest starting a discussion on the Community Portal to see if other editors may have other ideas. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:07, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Willdo [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 11:52, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Conflicting edits issues - revisited ==<br />
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Hello Ahasuerus, I'm wondering if you'd managed any progress on [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Anniemod#Zelazny_-_The_Chronicles_of_Amber:_Volume_I this topic]? I know it's not much in the great scheme of things but the effect is a bit disconcerning nonetheless. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 13:12, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I am afraid I haven't done any work on this issue on the development server. I am currently in the middle of building a big patch which will affect around 20 modules, so everything else is on hold until I finish it.<br />
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: My (very tentative) take on this is that having a post-submission page displayed should not be able to affect the approval process. Post-submission pages and the approval software are entirely unrelated. It's more likely that some types of data are not captured properly when certain types of submissions are created, which then affects the approval process. I'll post an update when I know more. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:30, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: I think it is a side effect of how we carry/compare what had changed during an update - as we do not carry all the fields, these somehow get confused during the moderation/actual save. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:44, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Thanks both for your consideration. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:34, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: I installed the monster patch yesterday night. Once I catch my breath and comment on outstanding Wiki discussions, I will try to recreate the problem on the development server. One step at a time :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:47, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: I have posted [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Anniemod#Zelazny_-_The_Chronicles_of_Amber%3A_Volume_I a reply] with my preliminary findings and options. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:59, 19 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::Thanks for all your work on this. I've already had one flag come up on a submission which I found helpful. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 11:16, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: Excellent! :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:47, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Evil Is Live Spelled Backwards ==<br />
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I added this info to your "Images, etc." as you requested & it promptly disappeared. So I'll try here on this publication which you PV'd: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?244337 I have submitted Goodreads (external ID) & an online retrospective review. This title is still getting read. Two of these three reviewers recommend it. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 02:15, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Your note was added to a 2009 note about the same pub :-) I have moved it to the bottom of the page and created a separate section for it. After approving the submission I moved the review URL to the Title page since it primarily discusses the novel as a whole as opposed to the Paperback Library edition. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:07, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Rewriting known broken URLs to working versions in the code ==<br />
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Hi, I noticed last night that [https://csfdb.scifi-wiki.com CSFDB] was returning an error page. I've been corresponding with Arthur Liu on his Hugo stuff, and mentioned it to him. I don't fully understand the details, but it's something to do with having to renew their HTTPS certificate, and some intermediary agency preventing them registering it with the Chinese government per laws there. As a consequence, they'll be changing the domain name to be csfdb.cn, although [https://twitter.com/HeavenDule/status/1684210680323272704 this will take a while due to the joys of bureaucracy].<br />
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Presumably all the local URL paths will stay as-is, so as a short-to-medium term fix, any references to the old domain in the URLs here should be fixable by replacing csfdb.scifi-wiki.com with csfdb.cn. Is there any logic in the code to support that sort of thing? If not, would you accept a patch for it if I came up with one; ideally that could support any other domain name changes that might come along in future.<br />
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A query of the webpages table shows were have 272 records that reference CSFDB, so it's not a completely impossible task to do them manually. And thinking about it, I could rejig the work I did a few weeks ago to fix them via the API fairly easily, but maybe it'd be a useful thing to have anyway, e.g. for switching from http:// to https:// links if a site stops supporting insecure links.<br />
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Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:02, 26 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks for researching this issue. Domain names and URL paths do change from time to time, so it's a known issue.<br />
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: I am afraid there is no menu option to handle URL migrations because of the number of possible permutations. Normally, we handle them by writing custom code. For example, when Visco images migrated from "www.sfcovers.net/Magazines" to "www.philsp.com/visco/Magazines" in 2016 ({{FR|848}}), we had to create [https://sourceforge.net/p/isfdb/code-svn/HEAD/tree/trunk/scripts/convert_visco_URLs.py#l61 a custom script] to re-point our image URLs.<br />
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: I expect that we will end up doing something similar for our CSFDB URLs once we confirm that the new domain is up and running and that their URL paths haven't changed. If you want to give it a shot, I'll be all too happy to test and install the code. TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:38, 26 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks. TBH, rather than write a one-off script to directly update the database, I think I'd prefer something that generates a bunch of API requests; to me, that fits in line more with how the database works i.e. having a proper audit trail in the edit history. Obviously it's a bit annoying needing a (self-)moderator to approve them all, but it's a minor hassle in the overall scheme of things. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 13:08, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Oh sure, the Web API approach should be fine for this project. The only kinds of scenarios when it becomes problematic is when we need to change tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of records, e.g. when we upgraded Amazon URLs from HTTP to HTTPS. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:49, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: P.S. And now self-approvers [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#.22Next_Submission.22_link_for_self-approvers can see the "Next Submission" link]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:20, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: Hi, csfdb.cn is now live, and I've adapted the script I used to fix bad Amazon image URLs to fix the author URLs; the first 20 have gone through. The additionm of the next submission link makes this less annoying to process lots of these, so thanks for that.<br />
:::: Arthur Liu noticed that the old CSFDB domain wasn't one that gets turned into a nicer string, like say sf-encyclopedia.com or lccn.loc.gov. I see this logic is controlled by the recognized_domains table, but I don't see any UI for updating it - I'm guessing it's a moderator or bureaucrat thing? If so, can you add it please? Details are:<br />
:::: * domain_name = csfdb.cn<br />
:::: * site_name = CSFDB<br />
:::: * site_url = https://csfdb.cn<br />
:::: * linking_allowed = 0<br />
:::: (I don't think there's any need to do this for the old csfdb.scifi-wiki.com domain)<br />
:::: Thanks. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:02, 5 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Yup, the (recently added) menu options that let you list/add/edit/delete "recognized domains" are only available via the Bureaucrat menu -- see [[Help:Screen:BureaucratMenu]]. I have added SCFDB to the list and everything appears to be working correctly, e.g. see {{A|Ben Aaronovitch}}. Thanks for working on this! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:47, 5 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::: No worries. I think I've done all the webpage fixes now, but there are still 5 notes left to do, which I'll do manually tomorrow. (I suspect most are from untitled awards.)<br />
:::::: FWIW, the script I wrote to do all these batch API edits is [https://github.com/JohnSmithDev/ISFDB-Tools/blob/master/tools/submit_edits_via_api.py on GitHub]. Pretty hacky, but as these are (hopefully) one-off fixes, I don't know that much more engineering effort would be merited. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:54, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Murder of the U.S.A. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5734699; Added artist; I cancelled my first edit because after adding Archive.org link I searched for artist and title on Google and exactly 1 hit came up, the PDF on Luminist which actually has a cover, although artist isn't mentioned unless you look at the cached version and then there's a microscopic "Ancona" among the text; maybe it was on one of the flaps. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:39, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Good catch. After downloading the PDF and enlarging the cover scan, I can see the signature. Approved, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:05, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Synopsis issue ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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I am trying to remove the synopsis from [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3214723 here] and no matter what I try, it complains about the type being unable to have the field. Can you check the verifications and make sure that these are removable if needed (I can always work around by changing the type, then cleaning it, then reverting back to chapbook but figured that needs fixing so I will leave it like that until you have a chance to look at it). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:08, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: It looks like there were 2 separate issues with this record. When I tried removing the synopsis line, I got the following JavaScript error: "CHAPBOOKs cannot have series data." After removing the series value ("Real Reads"), the submission went through.<br />
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: P.S. For reference purposes, here is what the Synopsis field used to say: "Real Reads are classic books, retold for young readers and English language students." [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:48, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Huh - it was complaining to me only about the synopsis so I totally forgot about the series... I wonder why you did not see the synopsis warning... :) Thanks for looking into it. <br />
:: PS: I copied the actual wording from the publisher over on the publisher page -- so the old note is superfluous. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:07, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: I wonder if the difference was due to trailing spaces. I blanked the Synopsis field using Control-A and I think I saw a space on the second line. Let me see what I can find on the development server. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:16, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: That was my first thought as well at the beginning so I deleted that extra space on the second line - and tried again -- it seemed empty to me after that but maybe a carriage return or a non-printable symbol remained. Firefox on Windows 10 (in case it ends up being a browser thing). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:22, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: It turns out that pop-up validation wasn't accounting for new lines in EditTitle and EditPub. I am not really sure why I didn't use "trim()" when I first added JS validation. Perhaps I was trying to support older browsers -- like Firefox prior to 3.5 -- which didn't recognize trim()? In any event, it's been fixed now although you may need to reload the JS code using Control-F5 to invalidate the cache. Thanks for reporting the issue! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:44, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Minor bug that causes a 404 ==<br />
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Not something to be overly worried about, but:<br />
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# *With a browser with all cookies, saved session details etc cleared* (e.g. in a browser icognito window) go to the site homepage www.isfdb.org<br />
# Click on the Recent Activity sidebar link, you should get taken to https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/recent_activity_menu.cgi<br />
# Hit the Log In sidebar link, you should go to https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/dologin.cgi?recent_activity.cgi+0<br />
# Enter credentials<br />
# You then get directed to https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/recent_activity.cgi , which says "Not Found / The requested URL was not found on this server."<br />
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I have seen this on both Firefox and Chrome (current versions on Linux).<br />
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I've not checked the code, but I suspect this might be when the subpage for recent activity was introduced about a year ago (recent_activity_menu.cgi?) but there's still a reference in code to the old page name/URL (recent_activity.cgi)?<br />
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I doubt many others will come across it; I only did because I have my Firefox configured to clear out all cookies and saved info every time the browser exits, as a privacy/anti-tracking measure. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 06:49, 15 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks for reporting the problem! Your guess was right on target. I first called this menu option "recent_activity.cgi" and that's what the redirect code used. However, I changed the name to "recent_activity_menu.cgi" before deploying it to the live server, but forgot to update the redirect code. The reason that it worked on my development server was that its CGI directory had the original version of "recent_activity.cgi", which was masking the problem. Everything should be fixed now. Thanks again! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:19, 15 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Galactic Rejects ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5743237; Should publisher be Dell Laurel-Leaf? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:45, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Good point. Updated and approved, thanks.<br />
: I also note that we have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?3142 Dell Laurel], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?96 Dell Laurel-Leaf] and[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?22957 Dell Laurel-Leaf Library] plus a related publication series, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1894 Laurel-Leaf Library], under [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?34 Dell]. Unfortunately, I don't know enough the publisher to tell if some or all of them need to be consolidated. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:04, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::See this discussion; https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Willem_H.#Galactic_Rejects. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:03, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Response posted. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:09, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== King Dragon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?687; I just added links to both printings, 2nd has 1 less page here, should it be same as 1st printing? Last page after 277 is an unnumbered full-page illustration. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:15, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I have checked my copy and can confirm that it has a full-page illustration on the page that follows page 277. [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages]] says:<br />
:* ...you may record the count of unnumbered pages at the end of a publication. For example, 320+[4]. As before, only do this if there is additional content in these pages that requires the creation of a content record, as when there is an afterword or book excerpt which appears on unnumbered pages.<br />
: I suppose a full-page illustration counts as "content". However, we don't have a separate Title record for it since all 50 (!) illustrations are covered by a single INTERIORART Title, so the condition "requires the creation of a content record" is not satisfied. I am going to update Publication Notes to explain what's going on. I'll leave notes on the Talk pages of the two active editors who verified the first printing in 2019-2021. Thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:35, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Monster of the Prophecy ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5747602; I replaced cover with sharper and slightly bigger one that frames the info better on the left side and makes it easier to see. I've added a lot of Smith Archive.org links, corrections, ID, etc. today in case you see their titles come up soon as I believe you worked on a lot of them long ago; maybe you'll be able to improve them further after approval if you feel like it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:18, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Approved, thanks. I have uploaded and linked a somewhat higher quality scan -- https:// isfdb.org/wiki/images/6/69/TMNSTROP1983.jpg . [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:09, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Castle Keeps ==<br />
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Germane to this edition you PV'd: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?244357 I submitted note to moderator: Submitting pub note additions (Berkley Pub. Corp., assumed 1st ed., number on spine), & Goodreads external ID. Cheers. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 03:49, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Approved, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:00, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Author request ==<br />
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W/hen you have a minute, please take a look at [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5761469 this submission]. The links are to well known sites in the public realm. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:00, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks for letting me know!<br />
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: The current version of [[Help:Screen:AuthorData]] says:<br />
:* Web Page - Enter the URL of a Web page about this author.<br />
:* Eligible pages include:<br />
:** Author- and fan-run sites<br />
:** Biographic and bibliographic pages from online encyclopedias like The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction and Wikipedia<br />
:** Author-specific pages provided by publishers<br />
:** Author-specific pages at social bibliography sites like Librarything and Goodreads<br />
:** Reviews and interviews should only be used if there is no other online information about the author. Bookstore pages should be avoided.<br />
: This list of eligible Web page types was [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template%3AAuthorFields%3AWebPage&type=revision&diff=339441&oldid=208360 clarified and expanded in 2014] based on the outcome of a Rules and Standards discussion.<br />
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: At this time the [[ISFDB:Policy#Data_Deletion_Policy]] section only covers biographical data and not links to third party sites. If the submitter/author would like to propose that we change our Data Deletion Policy to allow deleting links to third party sites based on author requests, I would suggest starting a Rules and Standards discussion.<br />
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: I have put the submission on hold for now. Would you like me to respond on the submitter's Talk page or would you prefer to handle it, in which case I will remove the hold? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:43, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: I don't believe any change is needed in the standards. Please handle the response. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:42, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Done! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:46, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Portuguese titles ==<br />
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Hello, I'm wondering if [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Portuguese_titles_capitalisation_.2F_rationalisation this topic] will be followed through? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 09:42, 6 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I see that Annie was going to work on the Help language, so we should probably touch base with her first. As per [[ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard]], she is unavailable until September 11, but it wouldn't hurt to leave a question on her Talk page so that she could review it once she is back. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:07, 6 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks, I've left a note on her page. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 14:14, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Annie got busy with work and then vacation and... forgot. I will update it this week - sorry about that. We are clear on the rules so go ahead and fix things, the help page will be updated shortly. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 10:33, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== (Purported?) ISFDB Facebook account active again ==<br />
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I just noticed that [https://www.facebook.com/internetspecficdb this FB account] posted for the first time in what looks like a couple of years [https://www.facebook.com/internetspecficdb/posts/pfbid0D4pNqGeur1CZySz1hQYBZsKu6aN4KdiZSJ7myJJevFcP1EuomEAsz6DTJz1RXczNl here].<br />
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I'm not sure if someone on here had previously said they'd created that FB account, but if not, I wonder if it might be worth explicitly flagging up that that FB account isn't anything official? The link to this site on their profile information is still a http:// URL, again possibly indicating it's an oldish account. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 01:58, 9 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks for bringing this up. Back when the issue of third party sites came up in October 2021, we added [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#What_other_Web_sites_and_social_media_accounts_does_the_ISFDB_use.3F a section on "other Web sites and social media accounts"] to the [[ISFDB:FAQ]]. It explains that:<br />
:* ISFDB administrators may post announcements on [http://isfdb.blogspot.com/ this Blogspot Web] page in case of extended unscheduled downtime or connectivity problems. There are no other official or ISFDB-endorsed Web sites, Web pages or social media accounts. Non-ISFDB Web sites and social media accounts maintained by individual ISFDB contributors (editors, moderators and administrators) are independent of the ISFDB and are not endorsed by it.<br />
: When you say "flagging it up", are you thinking of mentioning this Facebook page in the FAQ as an example of an unofficial site/page, contacting Facebook administrators or something else? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:15, 9 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Personally, I'd like to see something explicitly referencing it somewhere on the wiki as not being an official account. As I mostly only lurk on FB - I just use it for stuff local to my area; I don't get involved in any SFnal stuff there - I don't know if contacting Facebook/Meta would do any good, especially as I don't have any "official" role at ISFDB myself.<br />
:: If that account indicated it was unofficial, I personally wouldn't have any issue with it, although again, that's just my personal opinion. That it uses images taken from here - which seem to have been uploaded to FB in September 2022?, FWIW - definitely does give the unwitting visitor the impression that it's an official ISFDB account. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 08:52, 9 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Perhaps this subject is something that might be worth mentioning on Community Portal, in case anyone wants to claim ownership of that account, or for other editors to voice their opinion on what - if anything - should be done? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 08:52, 9 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: We can certainly add ", e.g. [https://www.facebook.com/internetspecficdb this Facebook page]" to the FAQ. I agree that we should post about this on the Community Portal to see if we can find out who maintains the page. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:35, 9 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Your Opinion ==<br />
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Please review [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?970089 this edit history]. [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Stonecreek#Eccentric_Orbits:_An_Anthology_of_Scienc Here] is our brief converstion. Is [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek's]] decision to edit this publication while I was working on it reasonable? Clearly I don't think so. If you agree with me, what action should be taken? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:19, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I have posted my thoughts and a proposal on the [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Protocol_for_working_on_recently_added.2Fchanged_publications Moderator Noticeboard]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:50, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Very minor bug: yellow warning about earlier variant date should not appear when parent has 8888 or 9999 date ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5769157 This one] shouldn't have the date warning, IMHO at least.<br />
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Not a big problem, but I think it should be an easy fix? Although maybe there are several different variants of this check that might need similar fixes?<br />
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Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:52, 15 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: The bug being what it is (and needs to be looked at) but I would like to point out that we do NOT create omnibus editions in the original language if they were not published there in that form. Or collections and anthologies - we just leave these as we find them (with an eventual parent in the language of the actual book if we need to bring it to the canonical name). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:44, 15 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Good points. {{Bug|839}}, "Invalid 'Proposed variant date before proposed parent date' warning", has been created. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:17, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Isn't the issue really displaying date warnings for translations instead of it being a 8888 / 9999 date? The same issue happens if a translation is published prior to the native language version (you will see the yellow warning despite it being correct the native language version should have the date it was first published in the native language). If somehow {{T|33485|The Last Dangerous Visions}} was finally published but under a different title for marketing reasons ("Finally, the Last Dangerous Visions" as a silly example) and it was varianted to the original, we would want the warning. Either the parent title record should get the published date or the parent / variant should be flopped. But either way, the yellow warning would be valid indicator that something should be done. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:02, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: My take on the issue of translations is that the existing yellow warning is useful. As you said, it's possible for a translation to appear prior to the original text. However, it's also possible that the title date of our original record is based on a later printing and that further research may discover that the actual title date is prior to the translation date. A "yellow warning" is just a warning, basically a "take a closer look at this field", and doesn't necessarily mean that the entered data is wrong. To quote a famous SF author: "Better to have, and not need, than to need, and not have" :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:24, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::I agree with your view of the yellow warning which is why I'm questioning removing it from 8888 / 9999 dates :-) There are cases where varianting a known date to 8888 / 9999 date means it should be investigated. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:36, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Oh, I see. In that case perhaps we should make the yellow warning for 8888 parents more specific. Currently it says "Proposed variant date before proposed parent date" which doesn't really apply to 8888 dates. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:47, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::Sounds good. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:13, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::: Done. There are other submission types that may cause similar issues, but I didn't touch them (for now) because it would require a lot more digging. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:29, 17 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::::: Thanks!<br />
::::::::: Just going back to Annie's point about not creating "fake" parents in the original language, there are now 3 versions of this omnibus title record (2 in English, 1 in German). If that parent didn't exist, should those English and German titles be recorded as unrelated titles, or should one of them become a fake parent record?<br />
::::::::: As it happens, there does seem to be [https://www.abebooks.co.uk/9787229042066/7229042062/plp a Chinese omnibus publication], so I'll see about adding that and making everything correct. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 16:31, 17 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::: The current practice (for the last decade or so at least, probably longer) is to make the earliest variant a parent when there is no original language publication -- regardless of the language. That way if the original publication comes up (ever), it can go on top as a parent but in the meantime, they are organized. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 10:36, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Another (possible) minor bug: Handling of interviewee variants ==<br />
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Hopefully this won't spiral off like the previous talk item ;-)<br />
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I made [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?332555 Doctor Hosam El-Zembely] - who only existed as as an interviewee for a single title record - a pseudonym for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?325469 Hosam A. Ibrahim Elzembely]. I then went to make [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2920782 the interview title record] a variant, so that it shows up under the new canonical author. A couple of things:<br />
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1. Doing the usual Make Variant, it just has the regular Author 1 field, and a + button. I had a quick look at the canonical_author table to see how the data is modelled there, and presumed that if I added an extra author field, and added "Hosam A. Ibrahim Elzembely", it would do the right thing. It didn't :-( As this was easy enough to fix by editing the new parent title record, I don't think it's worth worrying about "fixing" the make variant page to fully support interviews. (I don't think I've ever really touched them prior to this.)<br />
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2. Once I'd fixed all the data - I hope? - I noticed that the title page maybe isn't ideal for indicating the varianting. On [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3226210 the new parent title record], there's no indication in the "Other titles" section of the interviewee name.<br />
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3. In a similar vein, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2920782 the "published" title] record shows that it is a variant, but doesn't show the interviewee's canonical name, which would explain why it has been varianted.<br />
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Again, interviews are something that - IMHO at least - aren't a widely enough used part of the system, that I think these are things that need to be urgently prioritized, but I thought it worth bringing them to your attention. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:52, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Please see [[:Template:TitleFields:Interviewee]]. The interviewee should always be entered using the author's canonical name. I have updated the record and added a publication note regarding the difference between the pub version and the database version. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:26, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks, I was just about to respond :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:28, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks both - I promise I did try to search for docs about this before posting on the Wiki... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 16:30, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::No problem. Interviewees is one of those cases where "record as per the pub" doesn't always come into play so it can be confusing. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:38, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== This World Is Taboo ==<br />
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Please see [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#This_World_Is_Taboo this conversation] which would impact your verified {{P|44001|The Med Series}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 06:48, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Response posted, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:45, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Image upload ==<br />
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Hello, I'd appreciate it if you could have a look at [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Image_upload this thread]. I've just had a similar outcome to an image upload [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:SCNNRDRKLV2004.jpg here] where the software has apportioned a 2004 file name to a 0000-00-00 dated publication. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:41, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Sorry I missed the question when it was first posted! I have now posted an explanation. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:06, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:35, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Sure thing. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:41, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Potter Devils ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5715917; Not sure why this is sitting so long but as a PV can you approve it or at least tell me what the problem with it is? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:02, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Let me see if I can dig up my copy... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:20, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: I have found my copy and can confirm that it does have "JK" in the lower right corner. Originally I couldn't see it because I am colorblind and this particular combination of colors looks like "black on black" to me. I have approved the submission and notified the other active primary verifier. Thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:34, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Awards (sort order) ==<br />
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The sort order for award type 'special', within award category, is alphabetical. I know it would be a major software change to make this customizable. Would it be a simple change to force 'Honorable Mentions' to always follow the poll results in 'Poll' type awards? <br />
Take a look at the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ay.cgi?35+2023 2023 Rhysling Awards]. 'Honorable Mentions' display below preliminary nominees. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:28, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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I see that the order is not alphabetical. It appears to be the order of the dropdown list. It should be easy to rearrange the list, assuming there are no objections. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:12, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Award levels are currently sorted using the following relative positions:<br />
:* 71 : No Winner -- Insufficient Votes<br />
:* 72 : Not on ballot -- Insufficient Nominations<br />
:* 73 : No Award Given This Year<br />
:* 81 : Withdrawn<br />
:* 82 : Withdrawn -- Nomination Declined<br />
:* 83 : Withdrawn -- Conflict of Interest<br />
:* 84 : Withdrawn -- Official Publication in a Previous Year<br />
:* 85 : Withdrawn -- Ineligible<br />
:* 90 : Finalists<br />
:* 91 : Made First Ballot<br />
:* 92 : Preliminary Nominees<br />
:* 93 : Honorable Mentions<br />
:* 98 : Early Submissions<br />
:* 99 : Nominations Below Cutoff<br />
: That's why "Finalists" appear before "Preliminary Nominees", which appear before "Honorable Mentions". It's been that way since ISFDB 2.0 went live in 2006. That said, it wouldn't be that hard to change this order if we could reach consensus re: the best way to organize "award levels". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:19, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Beyond Infinity ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5783892; Month needs adding to most dates that are missing it; Goller signed the art so note about illustration seems true and interior art credit should be added. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:31, 5 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Submission approved; INTERIORART title added; Notes updated. Thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:24, 5 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Can an omnibus contain an omnibus? ==<br />
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{{P|973381|This pub}} is showing up on the "Publication Authors That Are Not the Title Author" report. However, if you edit the record, you will see it does have a matching container type where the pub and container are both "uncredited". In the display view though, the Le Fanu omnibus from the contents is shown as the container and the container record from the edit view doesn't appear at all. Is this a bug or is there a software limitation that an omnibus cannot be in an omnibus? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:20, 8 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: When a container publication contains multiple container titles of the same type as the publication -- in this case two OMNIBUS titles within an OMNIBUS publication -- the software has no way of telling which container title is the "reference title". When the "reference title" is determined incorrectly, all kinds of things can be off, including cleanup reports and the display logic. That's why multiple OMNIBUS titles are not supported withing OMNIBUS publications.<br />
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: That said, it may be possible to change this behavior, e.g. by creating a "reference title" checkbox for titles within publications, but it would require more research. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:28, 8 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::I removed the extra omnibus and imported its contents instead. As a possibly easier fix that would handle most situations, if there are multiple omnibus records and one of them matches the publication record (same title, same author), use that one as the container? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:11, 10 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Sorry about the delayed response. I was going to get back to this topic after finishing some other tasks and then it slipped my mind.<br />
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::: Substantively, I think it may work, but, as I recall, there are quite a few different places in the code that assume that there is only one title with the same container type as the publication. It includes SQL queries, which can be a headache when dealing with edge cases. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:25, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Outcome ==<br />
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Your recent long entry for "Outcome" doesn't go to the right message because there's other "Outcome" messages on the board. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:23, 15 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Unfortunately, the Wiki software responsible for displaying Wiki pages doesn't handle multiple identical section/subsection titles well. I have disambiguated the subsection title. Thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:44, 15 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Please come participate... ==<br />
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...in [[Rules and standards discussions#Numbering of pages numbered in the ToC but not numbered themselves|this discussion]] on page numbering questions. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:09, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks, I'll take a look. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:19, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Day He Died ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5792629; Seems this is only on Luminist, no Archive copy. I don't see a price anywhere but other PV (Scott Latham) copy has a price. Maybe you can verify that price and move it over to your PV, replace the bad cover since both use the same one (uploaded by Bluesman), delete the redundant record, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:52, 19 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: That's a good question. I'll take a look once I finish fixing the latest Fixer/Amazon mess. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:14, 19 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: I am looking at my copy right now. It's in a pretty good condition for a 75-year-old paperback, but even after re-inspecting the covers 3 times I don't see a price. However, checking the back of the book, I see a "Special offer to Bantam readers". It includes 3 lists of books which you can get by sending $0.25 plus $0.05 for postage to the publisher's address. My best guess is that [[User:Scott Latham]], who verified [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38061 the other pub], used this section to determine the price. This is similar to how the primary verifier of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49073 ''The Unexpected''], another Bantam book from the same era, came up with the price:<br />
::* No price stated, but ad pages for current releases list $0.25 price.<br />
:: Let me ask on the Moderator Noticeboard to see what other moderators think of this practice. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:12, 19 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: All done -- please see the Moderator Noticeboard for details. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:49, 21 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Arbor House Treasury ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5798672; You're the only active PV so letting you know I added Roman numerals and links. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:30, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Confirmed and approved. Thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:06, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dinosaur Beach ==<br />
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Please see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5778328 this submission] which is regarding your verified pub. Looking at the supplied SFE3 link in the pub notes, I'm not seeing Whelan credited for this pub anymore. So looks to me, that the credit and statement should be removed. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:32, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Checking https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/laumer_keith 's history on Archive.org, I see that they removed the erroneous credit back in October. I have removed/deleted the COVERART title and updated this pub's Notes field. Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:52, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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Also, it would be a nice feature if when a moderator views the New Submissions page, any PubUpdate submissions that impact their Permanent primary verified pubs where marked somehow. That would draw moderator attention to edits they should probably handle since they have the book. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:32, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Sounds like a good idea. {{FR|1586}}, "Display a table of EditPub submissions affecting logged-in moderator's verified pubs", has been created. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:55, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: And done. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:27, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Thank you. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:35, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: Sure thing. I am currently working on rewriting Fixer, but the idea was too good to table. Besides, variety is the spice of life :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:10, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Imperial Stars and The Third Star Man Omnibus ==<br />
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I sent a Russian version of Imperial Stars and Planet of Treachery by Stephen Goldin and Edward E. Smith, the cover is the same one that was later used in The Third Star Man Omnibus, I also put the illustrator's name as a variant of one that already exists.[[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 04:32, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Approved, thanks. I'll leave a separate note about the changes that I made on your Talk page. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:56, 29 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::I sent several translations into Portuguese of books by some authors, I forgot to mention that the ones with covers on Amazon have Amazon data (format, ISBN, date, etc.), I also added some short stories by William Gibson that are linked to Neuromancer / Sprawl Trilogy, but were not considered to be in the same series, including adaptations of Johnny Mnemonic.[[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 08:13, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Thanks for letting me know. I'll take a look. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:54, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::I sent an update on the cover of an edition of Neuromancer by Aleph, it is credited to Pedro Inoue, but according to the publisher's own page, it is by Josan Gonzales, so much so that there is already a French edition with the same cover, being a variant of it.[[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 05:53, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::::I discovered that in fact, the spelling of the artist's surname is Gonzalez, I sent it as if it were a variant, but I think it's a mistake, on the cover of Neuromancer, the Aleph cover is credited as Gonzalez.[[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 20:12, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Starship Sloane Publishing ==<br />
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Just a heads up, Justin Sloane requests we add "starshipsloane.com" to [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Image_linking_permissions#List_of_sites_granting_permission this list]. [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:SFF123rules#He_May_Wear_My_Silence Here] is the thread where I instructed him to email you directly. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:47, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Thanks for the heads-up! I'll be waiting for an email notification. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:53, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: The email has been received and appropriate permissions/auto-linking have been added. Thanks for letting me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:04, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Living Statue ==<br />
<br />
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?874526; Supposedly from Hissing Tales but it's not on ISFDB in that book, only in this magazine. There are archived copies of Hissing Tales so if you could determine which story it is and make it a variant that would be good; none of the French titles translate to anything like "living statue". I did a lot of Gary edits long ago and just did some more so after you make that variant I think everything currently available will be covered. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:53, 16 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Sounds good. I'll poke around tomorrow morning and see if I can find the issue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 23:11, 16 December 2023 (EST)<br />
<br />
:: So there is bad news and then there is good news. The bad news is that I haven't been able to find my copy of ''Bizarre Mystery Magazine, October 1965''. It's in one of my "Miscellaneous magazines" boxes, which are poorly organized.<br />
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:: The good news is that Céline Ther's ''La Magie dans l’oeuvre romanesque de Romain Gary et Emile Ajar'' (Université d’Avignon, 2009, p.324) and David Bellos's ''Romain Gary'' both agree that "The Living Statue" was a translation of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2587333 "Décadence"], which first appeared in 1962. Bellos also states that "Glass" is a translation of ''Les habitants de la terre''. I have set up variants and will update the dates of the French originals later today. Thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:41, 17 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: P.S. According to David Bellos's ''Romain Gary'', "most of [Gary's] works appeared more than once in editions not only translated or back-translated, but revised, readjusted, adapted to the stage, reworked or retitled." I have updated the author record to warn our users that Gary's bibliography is unavoidably messy. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:46, 17 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Done. Some of the bibliographic headaches include [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2587336 Une page d'histoire / The Night of History], whose "setting was transferred from Bohemia (in 1945) to Serbia (in 1962)". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:09, 17 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Abridgements ==<br />
<br />
Can you please take a look at [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Abridged_editions.3F this] conversation. I've never dealt in audio, which is probably a red herring anyway. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:33, 19 December 2023 (EST)</div>
Holmesd
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<p>Holmesd: {{CID1
|Title=The Ministry for the Future
|Edition=Orbit (US) 2023 tp
|Pub=THMNSTRFRT2023
|Publisher=Orbit (US)
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Holmesd}}</p>
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=The Ministry for the Future<br />
|Edition=Orbit (US) 2023 tp<br />
|Pub=THMNSTRFRT2023<br />
|Publisher=Orbit (US)<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Holmesd]]}}</div>
Holmesd
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<p>Holmesd: {{CID1
|Title=Zero History
|Edition=Berkley Books 2012 pb
|Pub=ZRHSTRGWTK2012
|Publisher=Berkley Books
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Holmesd}}</p>
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=Zero History<br />
|Edition=Berkley Books 2012 pb<br />
|Pub=ZRHSTRGWTK2012<br />
|Publisher=Berkley Books<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Holmesd]]}}</div>
Holmesd
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:MartyD&diff=676161
User talk:MartyD
2023-12-19T03:05:28Z
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== Harper Hall of Pern ==<br />
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Question about [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?126781 this]] record. I have to assume your copy has one of the two "Q" gutter codes? I have one with a previous code "P05" but the number SFBC # does not have the leading '0', just 3678. I think there should be two records, one for copies with just the four-digit code [which Locus somehow '''adds''' a '0' to the end] and one for the five-digit, which can be dated to Feb or Apr '86 [likely both have the leading '0']. Cheers! --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 23:22, 29 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Mine has "03678" in a small white box at the bottom right of the back cover (which is solid green otherwise). The gutter code on p. 499 looks like "O29" to me. There's no mistaking the "29". I suppose it's possible it's Q29 instead of O29 -- the printing is not the crispest in the world -- but I can't tell, even under a magnifying glass. FWIW, there's a faint ring around the gutter code, I presume from the stamping. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:28, 31 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: There is a possibility that the jacket was not original to the book, I've found that a couple of times buying SFBC editions second-hand. A seller may have two and just combines the best book with the best jacket ... otherwise it's probably a 'Q' as the SFBC never went back to a four-digit code once they used a five-digit one. Odd, too, my copy's jacket is blue on the back. --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 16:45, 1 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::I'm pretty sure I got this copy from the SFBC, not second-hand. But I would not have gotten it before mid-1985, and it's certainly possible I got it in 1986. I know I don't have those records anymore, unfortunately. Anyway, I'm not opposed to two records or to treating what I have as "Q29" and adjusting notes accordingly. I defer data entry/organization decisions to the SFBC organizers. :-) --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 20:27, 1 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Yeah, I used to have all my stuff from the club but tossed it when I quit in about 1991. Who'd have known .... Cheers! --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 18:26, 4 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Requiem for a Ruler of Worlds ==<br />
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I've made a small change to the note.[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27864] DK is visible before the cutoff.--[[User:Auric|Auric]] 16:06, 7 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Daughter of the Blood'' ==<br />
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I've removed the date from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?567838 this publication record]. A book with an ISBN-13 can not have been published in 1998. Based on the ISBN range, it probably was published circa 2007-2008. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]]|[[User talk:Mhhutchins|talk]] 05:54, 25 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy ==<br />
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Regarding {{P|17136|this pub}}, is it really "Hitchiker" as entered or "Hitchhiker"? If that edition used "Hitchiker", then its title record needs to be unmerged from the others and a variant established. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:25, 1 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:No, just a typo I never noticed. Thanks for catching it. Fixed. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 17:50, 1 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Tom's Midnight Garden variant author name only ==<br />
<br />
Hi. Today I completed verification of HarperTrophy edition 1st printings, after preliminary change from author "Philippa" to "A. Philippa" which you approved. Is there any alternative to the three-stage submission<br />
# import the other Title records (in this case, only the fiction Title as by "A. Philippa")<br />
# remove the other Title records (here the novel by "Philippa")<br />
# edit the publication record otherwise as appropriate<br />
--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:59, 8 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:There is no way to do it with fewer steps, unless the title is not used by any other publication. If it is not used elsewhere, you can edit the publication directly and change the author credits for both it and the title. Then you only need a second step, to merge the new title record with the existing one (that you otherwise would have imported). Once you have a title that is used by more than one publication, the additional removal step is always required. And you can either add while editing and merge or import and edit, as you did -- each requiring two more steps. I slightly prefer add-and-merge because it avoids leaving a publication that does not match its title, making it a little safer. I'm sorry, I should have done those other steps for you to save you some time. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:12, 9 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Variable Star ==<br />
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Can you check the cover image for {{P|220033|Variable Star}}. My copy has a short comment from The New York Times at the bottom right of the Front Cover. In fact it is the same as the Fourth edition {{P|542451|Variable Star}}. It's probably due to the cover coming from Amazon. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 13:43, 26 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:My wife has been reorganizing the books, and I don't immediately find it. I will have to look for it this weekend, when I will have time to dig through the boxes. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 02:18, 27 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: Have you managed to find time to have a look through your boxes for this book? --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 13:05, 15 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::Sorry, I hadn't meant for it to be quite such a long weekend.... I did find it. Mine has ''"I'd nominate Spider Robinson as the new Robert Heinlein." -- The New York Times"'' at the bottom right. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 14:29, 15 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::I uploaded the appropriate cover image. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 15:02, 15 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yes, that matches my cover. Thanks. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 14:20, 16 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== "Small Favor" - Jim Butcher ==<br />
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I modified your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?273938 pub] by replacing the Amazon image with a scan, and added the Author's Note as an additional title, just as a small favor. [[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 20:45, 19 August 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: :-) --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:07, 20 August 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Re: Science Fiction Chronicle - 1993 ==<br />
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You recently okayed a submission from [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Vornoff Vornoff] of a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3148973 title merge] for Science Fiction Chronicle - 1993. while the merge was fine (I am entering issues for that year), there are multiple variant titles that appear for that year on the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?1111 author's summary page]. I would like to enlist your help on how I should handle this. Should I merge the variants<br />
together for that year separately, or with the titles already merged, is one question I have, and any other help you can give would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. [[User:Syzygy|Syzygy]] 15:04, 8 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:It looks like there are two for 1993 using Andrew Porter, and then a whole bunch for 1993 using Andrew I. Porter, with each Andrew Porter one having some of the Andrew I. Porter ones. The Andrew Porter ones will need to be merged with each other, and the Andrew I. Porter ones will need to be merged with each other. The end result will be one Andrew Porter as the parent and one Andrew I. Porter as the variant (and "only as by", the way it looks). The safest approach is to do one of those merges, then do the other once the first is accepted, although you can do them in parallel, as long as you keep in mind that the lowest ID is always the survivor in a merge (so when merging the variants, you'd need to keep the parent ID that is lowest). It doesn't really matter what order you do them in. If you do Andrew Porter first, all of the variants will then have the same parent. If you do the variants first, one of the Andrew Porter ones will no longer have any publications or variants, but that will be resolved when you merge those. Does that help? Please ask if it's not clear. If you'd rather I did it, let me know. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:49, 9 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
:: Thanks for taking the time to give a great explanation. I've submitted the merges per your instructions. [[User:Syzygy|Syzygy]] 03:06, 9 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::Sorry if I caused any confusion, but your explanation was quite helpful for the future. Thanks, Doug / [[User:Vornoff|Vornoff]] 05:39, 9 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?239817 Rebel Fey] ==<br />
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Somebody added the cover artist to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?95741 hardcover], and I added Stone's name to the ebook version, I hesitated to touch your verification. I suspect that Stone is responsible for many of these covers, if he really did them, as the same models turn up in them. What do you think? [[User:MLB|MLB]] 02:11, 22 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
::Locus1 credits the artwork on the hardcover to Stone. A little Google work suggests the credit is given there on one of the dust wrapper's flaps. Since the paperback is the same artwork, there's no reason not to carry the credit along. I will add it and adjust the notes on that and the hardcover. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 14:36, 24 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Okay, looking at the acknowledgements page in '''''Traitor to the Blood''''' the authors thank both Koveck (who was given credit) and Steve Stone. I guess that settles that question. Now if only somebody would credit the mapmaker. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 02:17, 22 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::Corrected page count to '''''Traitor to the Blood''''' and added a note about the map in the note section. Hope this was okay. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 02:25, 22 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::Yes, fine, thank you. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 14:51, 24 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Subtitles (Bilbo's Last Song) ==<br />
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Hi, MartyD. We exchanged a few months ago regarding the very long subtitles of Robert Nye's Falstaff and Faust books. Recalling that, and because I see you are hard at work as I must depart, I consult you.<br />
<br />
This is one PV record that I will rearrange or reformat. The crucial points transcribed before returning the book to the library today:<br />
: -- Bilbo's Last Song (At the Grey Havens) :: title page of book <br />
: -- Bilbo's Last Song (at the Grey Havens) :: heading of poem p27<br />
Regarding the title of the book, I understand that we insert a colon optionally to designate a line break that we choose to interpret as title and subtitle. But that fashioning is inconsistent with the use of parentheses, so we would never use both, as one WorldCat record does: ''Bilbo's Last Song: (...)''<br />
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For us, too, I think the colon implies uppercase 'A' and the parentheses imply lowercase 'a'<br />
<br />
Do you agree with both interpretations of our standards?<br />
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I chose to retain the parentheses, as LCCN does not, and downcase 'at'. This happens to match the title of the poem as fashioned on p27 of the book and has the big advantage that it matches one PV by Nihonjoe P{{p|402468}}. (Another PV simply Notes the title page subtitle.)<br />
<br />
For the first edition Farmer Giles of Ham P{{p|269840}}, LC reports a very long subtitle that appears on the title page as I understand LCCN 86-155324. I chose to Note it in the same fashion. <br />
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Thanks. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:10, 25 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry, I was done for the evening. For punctuation, what matters is what's actually in the publication. If it is presented with punctuation (parentheses, colon, dash, etc.), we preserve that. If it is presented as title over subtitle or title in one location and subtitle in another, we would insert a colon between the two in our record. Other than that, use of parentheses that we add is only for disambiguation. With different poems having the same title, we would use some or all of the first line in parentheses for that purpose. So it sounds like the book is using parentheses, and preserving them is correct.<br />
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:For capitalization, we normalize the capitalization according to our rules, unless we believe the choice of capitalization is deliberate and/or to carry special meaning. Here, that is clearly not the case. The rules are not explicit about subtitles, and practice is inconsistent from editor to editor. I treat the subtitle as if it were a standalone title and capitalize it that way. Others treat it as a continuation of the main title and capitalize it that way. So here, I would use "At", but some others would use "at", and neither is considered wrong. You should not, however, add another title with the opposite capitalization if there's already a record -- in that case, just follow the precedent for that title. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:15, 25 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== {{P|282376|Dragonstar}} ==<br />
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I've replaced the Amazon cover art with a scan of my copy. I've also added a few extra notes. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 21:28, 18 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Star Trek 9 ==<br />
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Was able to add the month to [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?284324 this]] from a later printing [with note]. --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 19:09, 29 October 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== City Psychonaut==<br />
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Hi, CITY PSYCHONAUT is out on Amazon; I'm not sure how to best grab the cover. <br />
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0997296895<br />
<br />
Best wishes,<br />
Robin<br />
<br />
:If you would like to try it yourself:<br />
:# Visit the above link, right-click on the image, and Copy (or Copy Link or Copy URL--[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 23:33, 5 November 2016 (UTC) or something like that, depending on your browser).<br />
:# Then go to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?588436 the pub] and pick Edit This Pub from the menu at the left.<br />
:# Paste the link into the Image URL field. You should see something like: <pre>https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/519rNcj%2BVbL._SX331_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg</pre>.<br />
:# Edit that to remove everything between the last two periods, and remove one of the periods as well. You should end up with something like: <pre>https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/519rNcj%2BVbL.jpg</pre><br />
:# Submit!<br />
:That's how to use Amazon links. (All of the stuff you deleted is embedded sizing information that Amazon's server interprets and will lead to white boxes and other undesirable things if left in there).<br />
:<br />
:Give it a try if you'd like. If not, I am happy to do it for you. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 23:33, 5 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Wraiths of Time ==<br />
<br />
Regarding {{P|277310|Wraiths of Time}}: Your note states this is a first printing per the number line. This seems like it is a duplicate of {{P|55510}}. Unless I'm missing something (in which case the notes should be updated), your verification should be moved over to the later pub and 277310 deleted. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 22:13, 30 November 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, you are probably right. I will dig up my copy and double-check. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 02:01, 1 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Apparent 6th printing ==<br />
<br />
Hi. Last hour you approved my entry of the "apparent 6th printing" of ''Dying to Meet You'' (Sandpiper, 2010), which I verified P{{p|596751}}. The crucial third list item transcribes the last three lines of the copyright page: <br />
: C.p. concludes below "Manufactured in the [USA]": <br />
: -- "DOC 10 9 8 7 6" (6th printing?) <br />
: -- "4500302178"<br />
Do you agree that this indicates I have 6th printing of the Sandpiper edition? Do you know the meaning of "DOC" or the last line (not ISBN-10)? <br />
<br />
Mhhutchins urged me to reproduce numberlines, for someday analysis, but I rarely do so. (Without "DOC" I would be confident that its a printing-number line.) <br />
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Good night. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 03:16, 6 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:I like preserving unusual number lines in the notes. But it's up to you. I read "DOC 10 9 8 7 6" as indicating a 6th printing. If you Google that, you'll find examples of a full line "DOC 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1". I don't know what DOC might mean. Perhaps it's something as simple as "document". I believe the other number is some sort of serial/catalogue number. If you look at the numberline search hits that are on Google Books, you'll see those also have a similar number below the number line. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 03:27, 6 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Changes to story titles ==<br />
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I have twice submitted changes to the titles of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1465495 "The Messenger"] (currently spelled "The Messehger") and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1465481 "The Strega's Last Dance"] (currently spelled "Stega"); both times they were not changed. Why is that? Is it because the previous spellings were verified by someone else? Mine are based on a book in my possession. I have left a message for the verifier, Don Erikson, but since Don has not answered any messages in a month, I'm not going to wait for an answer before submitting the correction. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 03:52, 8 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Never mind, Stonecreek took care of it. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 04:40, 8 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
<br />
::Because it affected a verified copy, and you didn't mention anything about it in the submission's note to the moderator, I needed to go check whether you had notified the verifier of the change. When there are a lot of submissions in the queue, I usually skip ones where I have to do work in the Wiki and go back to them. Last night I ran out of time and did not get to go do that. Sorry. Some moderators may also avoid submissions that cannot obviously be accepted without additional work. Another thing that happens sometimes (did not apply to this submission, but if I recall correctly, you had one or two others I also skipped) is that most moderators will skip submissions that make any sort of significant change to a publication having other moderators among the primary verifiers; there the submission is often left for one of those moderators to look at. You don't need to worry -- anything not processed remains there for everyone to see, and someone will get to it. Does that make sense? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:51, 8 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::Yes, that's fine, thanks! --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 16:48, 8 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== "Story of Umetsu Chubei" ==<br />
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You are evidently wondering why I changed the date of this story - that's because it's a variant title, I'm going to variant it to one with the original date. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 01:55, 20 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Ok, thanks. A note to the moderator would have avoided the hold -- I was going to have to go do some research. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:58, 20 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Los asesinos del tiempo ==<br />
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I am canceling this one - the language needs to go in the other direction (looks like you are looking at it now - sorry for not catching it earlier - I was reviewing the ones I did and realized I got it wrong) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:49, 21 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, it looked backwards to me. I hadn't yet had a chance to research/write you a note. Many submissions! :-) --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:50, 21 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: Cancelled and submitted in the other way (fixing the text entry instead). I had been careful today on clearing these but one slipped apparently - which is why I was reviewing a second time - you just got it before my review got to it. Sorry :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:57, 21 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:::Not a problem. It's always good to be able to demonstrate that I actually review the submissions.... --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 02:01, 21 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Steve Dillon ==<br />
<br />
I would like to undo the edit that I did creating "Steve Dillon (comics)". I don't know who was interviewed in the Irish Science Fiction Association's magazine ''FTL''. I am pretty darn certain that it wasn't the Australian guy who created the Refuge Collection, but otherwise, who...? I will put up a verification request, unlikely as it is to find an answer, but meanwhile, please change that to something neutral like "Steve Dillon (I)". --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 04:03, 28 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry, I don't know how I missed this. Done now. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:46, 30 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Birthstone Gothics ==<br />
<br />
Answered your question about this series [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:MLB#The_Amethyst_Tears_publisher here]. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 04:23, 28 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Darkenheight ==<br />
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My copy of {{P|9015|Darkenheight}} has a printing line [10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1] at the bottom of the Copyright page. Maybe it should be mentioned that some copies do have a printing line? --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 16:54, 29 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:If yours has a numberline, we likely have different editions. I will see if I can dig up my copy and get more details from it for you so we can compare. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:55, 30 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Capitalization ==<br />
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There is simply no way a two-letter preposition should be capitalized... not your fault, you're just following the list, but I'm going to take this to R&S because that list is all wrong. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 14:27, 30 December 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== The Farthest Shore ==<br />
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Updated {{P|282805|The Farthest Shore}} to add cover scan, add note on interior art credit, and update page numbers to reflect the last page is unnumbered. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:54, 2 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== NOVEL to COLLECTION ==<br />
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Happy New Year. At User talk:Cary you remarked aside that there we have one publication of the book ''Doctor Dolittle's Puddleby Adventures'' --true, the other records for that title are for contents in editions of the ''Treasury'' book. In that circumstance is a single "toggle" of the Title{{t|1354275}} Type field from NOVEL to COLLECTION sufficient to amend the database on that point? Is that what you did after reading my Title Note, or my exchange with Cary? <br />
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:Yes, it's pretty much that simple: Change the title type and change the pub type. If the title had not been included in other publications, it could have been done in a single Edit Pub, but when a title appears in more than one publication it must be edited separately. There is only one title record, and all places it appears point to it, so once you've changed the type, that new type appears everywhere. If there were variants, separate edits would be required to change their types to match, though.<br />
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:One thing that should be done with the collection is to add the contents and then import the contents into the other publications that include the collection. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:53, 4 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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At the end of 2016, i hustled to rid the Doctor Dolittle series of "Dr." titles. I was able to complete that by good fortune for all the cover and interior titles, and by hard work for the ''Green Canary'', whose final submission you approved [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3278563]. I guess you went ahead by analogy, or another editor did so NYEve/Day. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:50, 3 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm not sure what you mean. I think I did edit something where I accepted a submission changing the pub or title and there was no submission changing the other. But as long as you're happy, I'm happy. :-) --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:53, 4 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== The Painter Knight ==<br />
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For {{P|45042|The Painter Knight}} I've added the source of the Cover Artist, included the Canadian Price and added the Maps. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 15:03, 10 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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==Missão Impossível==<br />
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Hi, please check the following discussion in my [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Wolland#Miss.C3.A3o_Imposs.C3.ADvel page].<br />
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== Green Knowe series Of/of At/at ==<br />
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Hi, Marty. Having entered much data on the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?7311 Green Knowe series] this weekend, today I noticed that some of the titles are spelled with inappropriate capital prepositions 'Of' and 'At'. Evidently there is no automated clean-up, as all were verified from Tuck by Mhhutchins in 2008. Is there any shortcut to fix these? <br />
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As far as I know, those are the only remaining Green Knowe title errors in COVERART and INTERIORART as well as NOVEL and multiple Publication titles. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 01:34, 24 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:Unfortunately, no. But [[User:Vasha77|Vasha77]] has been on mission to fix capitalization inconsistencies lately. You could point him at them. :-) You could see if Ahasuerus would be willing to run a database script to fix them. I don't know how he would feel about that. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:43, 24 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== You are too quick for me ==<br />
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MartyD, Ten minutes ago you approved four or my TitleUpdate submissions for "My First Aeroplane" --while I submitted with errors, and re-submitted. If it works for you to lag a few minutes, let me recommend that. Lacking any preview, I submit and proofread the display to catch markup errors at least, then go back [Alt <-] and revise, etc; visit My Pending Edits and cancel all but the latest only when the display is correct. I don't often augment submissions, or make substantial revisions this way (instead cancel immediately). Most concern database markup, such as ">, /a>, /i>, and /ul>, and I do complete most of them within a few minutes. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 19:20, 20 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:It's ok, it wasn't a problem. I saw your additional submissions when I went to fix the HTML from the first one, and I realized you saw what was wrong, so I did not do any extra work. It was just as easy to approve them as to reject or cancel them. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 20:14, 20 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Sons of Maeve Trilogy later edition ==<br />
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Marty, thanks for approving my clone submission for {{P|606193|The Sons of Maeve Trilogy}}. Thanks also for letting me make the fixes you suggested. That has helped me learn things I didn't know I could do.[[User:Jolylchu|Jolylchu]] 01:28, 21 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== The Dragon's Hoard ==<br />
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Hi Marty! Thank you for looking over the Dragon's Hoard entry and approving it. I'd accidentally hit the submit button halfway through entering the data and just used the back button to return the entry screen. I didn't realize two records would be created. (Still learning my way around this place.) <br />
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I've edited the original record and cancelled the second entry this morning. Question, because I did forget Mosaic in the TOC the first time, and entered it at the bottom of the entries when I updated. Is there a problem entering TOC contents out of order? (If so, how do I make it right? You can point me to a help page if that's convenient.) Also: the poem is on an unnumbered page, and it looks as though I've forgotten the page number. Should I make a note of that? Thanks! [[User:Zinnia|Zinnia]] 13:58, 22 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
:Responded to [[User_talk:Zinnia#The_Dragon.27s_Hoard|here]]. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 15:04, 22 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Einstein's Monsters ==<br />
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Hello Marty, in order to avoid an editing war for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?607091 this pub], I'm wondering how a 2003 book can have printed on it an ISBN-13 as it appeared only (in the 4th edition of the standards) in 2005 and was scheduled to be in use for 2007. Note also that, if you used [https://www.amazon.fr/Einsteins-Monsters-Martin-Amis/dp/0099768917/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1488443266&sr=8-1#reader_0099768917 this] as a source the price on bc is £6.99 and not the £8.99 that is stated in the involved record (which so hints to a later and undated printing coherent with an ISBN-13). Either we set the ISBN to ISBN-10 and keep the 2003 or we set the date to "0000" (as I did and that you changed) and suppose that it's a post-2007 printing with an ISBN-13. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 08:40, 2 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
:Ha! I didn't even realize we were having an editing war. :-) I thought I had set the date to 0000 while meaning to have set it to 2003, so I "fixed" it. It did not occur to me that someone had changed it. You're right, of course. I wasn't thinking about that. I will fix it and adjust the notes. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:34, 2 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
:p.s. ISBN-13s can go back to 2005 (still later than this 2003). See [http://www.isbn-13.info/example this]. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:39, 2 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks, Note that this 5th printing has a £6.99 price (see last page). [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 11:49, 2 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
:::You said that, didn't you? I can only plead no coffee yet.... Fixed. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:53, 2 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
::::It's after lunch here... [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 12:00, 2 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Full titles for Titles and Publications ==<br />
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Marty, I see that you are at your station as I depart. See my last [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3371214 submission 3371214]; no submissions on the publications or contents. We discussed the use of short titles once. So did Mhhutchins and I. Different guidelines, or leeway for editors, concerning Publication titles, or specifically art titles, or chapbook titles, etc. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 00:59, 21 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:Ok. I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other. If you think they all use that title, then go right ahead and change the pubs, too. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:07, 21 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Are you available to serve as moderator for a project this afternoon? ==<br />
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Hi Marty -- As I [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Proposed_canonical_name_change:_Paul_.28G..29_Tremblay mentioned on the moderator noticeboard], I'm about to start changing Paul Tremblay's canonical name from "Paul G. Tremblay", and it occurs to me that, seeing as it will be a multi-stage process, it would be nice to avoid having that standing about in a half-finished situation for too long by scheduling a time with a moderator. Are you going to be around this afternoon & would be willing to watch for my Tremblay edits and approve them? --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 16:44, 26 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry, I had some big household chores to do this afternoon. I will be on for the next two hours or so. I'll be working on the queue, so if I see Tremblay submissions, I'll get after them. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:46, 27 March 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Management of canonical name change: Bo Balder ==<br />
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Hi, I saw that you accepted my edits changing the name on publess records from Boukje Balder to Bo Balder. Did you then variant them to the existing Bo Balder records? Actually, I was going to merge them. The reason for doing it that way is, when you start out with a new-canonical-name record varianted to a publess old-canonical-name record, there may be a different length or date between the two records, and if you just unvariant the NCN and discard the OCN, you lose that information. So, unvariant, change author on OCN record, merge. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 14:53, 5 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:No, I did not touch them, other than to accept the edits. You've been working your way through them, so I didn't see the need to do anything and did not want to interfere. I usually only do variants when I see pseudonyms in new publication submissions. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:53, 6 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
:: Huh, I wonder who did that, then. Well, it's all fixed and done now. (There was the same thing with a few of the Robin Hobb books -- when I created the new titles, someone stepped in and varianted them instead of merging.) --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 01:14, 6 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Changes to The Book of Night With Moon ==<br />
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I have made some changes to {{P|165361|The Book of Night with Moon}}. Imported contents to match verified {{P|36345|trade-paperback}} and {{P|275127|SF Book Club}} versions, added un-numbered pages in front because of those contents, and added more details to Notes. [[User:BungalowBarbara|BungalowBarbara]] 03:47, 8 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Sintram ==<br />
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Marty<br />
Limited from my phone ..having departed today. Re title 1144969 sintram and his companions I expected to be able to change from collection to chapbook after removing spurious contents. Title story is only fiction in all 5 publications evidently ..altho back cover blurb is confusing. But COLLECTION is not editable. --Pwendt<br />
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:Ok, I will fix it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:26, 3 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
:I think I got everything. Some of the dates on the English variants may not be correct. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 02:04, 3 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
:: Thanks. I am still working on the grouping and dating of Sintram and other Baron Friedrich dlMF title records, on/off, and E. Nesbit and George Macdonald records where translations are not involved. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:18, 10 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Diacritics as well as caps ==<br />
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Recently you informed me that the database does not recognize names spelled with and without diacritics as distinct, [[User talk:Pwendt#Fouqué versus Fouque]], as it does not for names spelled with upper and lower case letters. So we may fund on title pages and in reliable library records eight fashionings of "de La Motte Fouqué" alone (without hyphen, forename, title) but they must be booked as one. I suppose you are right, which means that the manual is half right. It is clear that we should attend to diacritics.<br />
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[[Help:Screen:NewPub#Author(s)]] <br />
: (quote) The name should be entered ''exactly'' as it is actually given on the publication's title page." ...<br />
: ''Case''. Case should be regularized. ... Author names that vary only in capitalization are not tracked as variants.<br />
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: ''Accented characters''. If you are entering a name such as "Philip José Farmer" that is printed with an accented e, that accented character should be reproduced in your entry of the name. '''Two versions of an author's name that are printed with and without accents are treated as variants'''; you should not convert one form to another. However, if an accented form is given on a story title, but an unaccented form is given on the table of contents, use the accented form as the standard. (end quote)<br />
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Some time ago I failed to enter works, or update them, as by "Willy Pogány" --not even the joint work we have as by "Willy Pogany" and "Elaine Pogány" T{{t|1831219}}. Here I think I can recommend a change of our unique name for him, from Pogany to Pogány. Having 20 variants for Fouque/Fouqué, I am not ready to say that any one should gain or lose the diacritical mark, or a capital 'De' or 'La'.<br />
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Months ago concerning caps, [[#Green Knowe series Of/of At/at]], you suggested that I direct [[User:Vasha77]] to the series, which I did not. (Just now I submitted fixes of remaining Title records with 'Of' or 'At', leaving the publications for that someday script.) Just above I see that Vasha works on names. Do we have a process to propose and reach agreement on such choices? <br />
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(Later I will visit the Help desk re the manual, as the HelpHeader suggests, at least to ask them whether I should really use Help talk pages for that.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 17:12, 10 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:I have asked Ahasuerus to take a look at this and to make sure I did not give you incorrect information. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:25, 11 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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A few months ago [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Diacritics_in_author_names the possibility was raised] of changing the software to support having Latin-1 diacritics as variants of non-diacritics, but it met with no enthusiasm. Such a change would certainly greatly increase the number of variant titles. Since then, since that seems to be off the table, what I've been doing (unsystematically, whenever I have a spare moment) with some names whose canonical form lacks diacritics is to check as many of the publications as I can, make notes on each publication record as to how the name is printed there, and then request a moderator to add the diacritics to the canonical name. <br />
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I think it ought to be standard practice to have the canonical form always be WITH diacritics, but I haven't actually proposed that on the boards yet. [[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 02:25, 11 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for finding the last discussion of this issue! I was going to go look for it myself, but you beat me to it :-) I seem to be unable to find the follow-up discussion in the Community Portal archives for some reason, but, as you alluded to, there were objections, so the proposal was shelved. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 03:19, 11 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Voyage from Yesteryear ==<br />
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I added an entry for the maps in {{P|127421|Voyage from Yesteryear}}. They are initialed, but I can't make out the scrawl. The one for the Mayflower II seems to be SRH. The map of Chiron may have the same, but they could also be SGDN. I've added them in as uncredited, but perhaps you have a better idea of what they are.--[[User:Auric|Auric]] 18:54, 13 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:The one on Mayflower II looks like "J P. H" to me. Under my big magnifying glass, the initials on the map of Chiron look the same as on the Mayflower II. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 02:01, 15 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== The Ghost Brigade ==<br />
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I had entered a duplicate pub to your verified copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270164 this pub]. My [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?544391 entry] includes the acknowledgements as an essay on page 345, and notes on the Canadian price and the author credit. If you and Wjmvanruth are good with these changes, I'll update this pub and delete my entry. [[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 21:14, 13 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:It's ok with me. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 02:03, 15 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
::Done. Thanks. [[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 18:52, 16 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Held submission ==<br />
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Please approve [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3447789 this submission] so I can correct the date. I accidentally entered the wrong one. Thanks. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 01:52, 16 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:Done. Sorry, I was off researching it to leave you a note. :-) --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:58, 16 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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::No problem. I've submitted the correction. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 02:00, 16 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== A batch of nongenre stories - if you disagree please comment ==<br />
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Currently there are numerous non-genre horror stories that are in the database because it's natural to just enter a book of horror or "tales of terror" without figuring out which stories are supernatural. I don't intend to systematically hunt for them, but when I spot one, I like to mark it nongenre. (In the case of classic stories, marking is better than removing it from the database because it'll just get re-added with some new anthology.) At the moment, I've spotted the following stories that I think need such a change, and I'm consulting people who have them in their verified pubs.<br />
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Firstly, there's ''Great Tales of Terror and the Supernatural'' (verified copies: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?517709 (1)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?289442 (2)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?415777 (3)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?435921 (4)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?366609 (5)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?446362 (6)], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?577863 (7)]), which contains "A Terribly Strange Bed," "The Three Strangers," "The Most Dangerous Game," "Leiningen Versus the Ants," "A Rose for Emily," "Taboo," and undoubtedly other non-supernatural ones that I'm not noticing at the moment. Here are verified publications for those and some other stories:<br />
* "Taboo" by Geoffrey Household - An eastern European community is terrorized by a series of murders. The mystery is solved, but the terror, and other psychological effects, linger on. Non-supernatural - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?249393 Stories for the Dead of Night]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?190685 The Penguin Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359537 The Dark of the Soul]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?451254 The Second Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?253539 Stories for the Dead of Night]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?375537 Griezelverhalen 2]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?516539 Van Lichtelijk Luguber tot Meedogenloos Macaber]<br />
* "A Rose for Emily" by William Faulkner - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Rose_for_Emily#Plot_summary SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?611464 Fireside Reader]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?333722 Classic Tales of Horror and the Supernatural]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37873 The Dark Descent]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?205381 The Dark Descent]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?191317 The Arbor House Treasury of Horror and the Supernatural]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?293237 The Arbor House Treasury of Horror and the Supernatural]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?413748 The Lucifer Society]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439545 The Third Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?196813 The Medusa in the Shield]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359245 The Giant Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?591258 The Oxford Book of Gothic Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?43731 American Gothic Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2399 American Gothic Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?472269 The Golden Argosy]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?403273 Vóór Middernacht: De Beste Griezelverhalen]<br />
* "A Terribly Strange Bed" by Wilkie Collins - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Terribly_Strange_Bed SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?369520 Tales of Terror and the Supernatural]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?368071 Tales of Terror and the Supernatural]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?326642 Basil Rathbone Selects Strange Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?326754 Basil Rathbone Selects Strange Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?294185 Tales of Terror and Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?233089 Tales of Terror and Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?306036 Nightfrights]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?517776 Nightfrights]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?611464 Fireside Reader]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?386608 Adventure Stories for Girls]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?369352 Horror by Lamplight]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?346979 The Wordsworth Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?189037 Mad Monkton and Other Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?611464 Fireside Reader]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?413840 Masterpieces of Mystery in Four Volumes]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18059 In the Grip of Terror]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?514839 Van Edgar Allan Poe tot Roald Dahl]<br />
* "The Three Strangers" by Thomas Hardy - [http://klasikfanda.blogspot.com/2012/07/short-story-three-strangers-by-thomas.html SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?472269 The Golden Argosy]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?424385 Tellers of Tales]<br />
* "Leiningen Versus the Ants" by Carl Stephenson - A lurid and much exaggerated account of army ants, but not intended to be taken as speculative, I feel sure - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?190685 The Penguin Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?451254 The Second Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?383522 The Big Book of Adventure Stories]<br />
* "The Most Dangerous Game" by Richard Connell -[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Most_Dangerous_Game SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?558649 Early September]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?416364 Psychos]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?302214 The Ghouls]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291549 The Ghouls]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?512071 Alfred Hitchcock's Spellbinders in Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?394763 Stories and Storytellers]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?573152 Night in Funland and Other Stories from Literary Cavalcade]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23955 Night in Funland and Other Stories from Literary Cavalcade]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?383522 The Big Book of Adventure Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?375279 Verhalen die Hitchcock Koos]<br />
* "Lamb to the Slaughter" by Roald Dahl - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamb_to_the_Slaughter#Plot_summary SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?176041 Someone Like You (Dell)]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?322881 Lamb to the Slaughter and Other Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?480807 Tales of the Unexpected]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?471509 Someone Like You (Livre de Poche)]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?537122 Rakkaani, kyyhkyläiseni / Joku kaltaisesi]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?533499 Lammkeule und andere Geschichten]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?371205 M'n Liefje, M'n Duifje]<br />
* "Contents of the Dead Man's Pockets" by Jack Finney - [http://www.elacommoncorelessonplans.com/contents-of-the-dead-mans-pocket-lesson-plans-summary-analysis.html SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?180273 The Third Level]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?258702 The Clock of Time]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?258701 The Clock of Time]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?301201 Stories of Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33359 Stories of Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439201 The Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?301712 The First Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?573152 Night in Funland and Other Stories from Literary Cavalcade]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23955 Night in Funland and Other Stories from Literary Cavalcade]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?375537 Griezelverhalen 2]<br />
* "Two Bottles of Relish" by Lord Dunsany - One of Dunsany's few non-speculative crime stories. [https://cgrishikesh.wordpress.com/2009/05/15/lord-dunsany-two-bottles-of-relish/ SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?64784 In the Land of Time and Other Fantasy Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?588045 In the Land of Time and Other Fantasy Tales]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17298 Horror Stories from Tales to Be Told in the Dark]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17297 Horror Stories from Tales to Be Told in the Dark]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?444547 Horror Stories from Tales to Be Told in the Dark]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?257830 Horror Stories from Tales to Be Told in the Dark]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49073 The Unexpected]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?9463 Death]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?344994 Masterpieces of Horror]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251144 Owls' Watch]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34443 Tall Short Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?301201 Stories of Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33359 Stories of Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439545 The Third Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?249393 Stories for the Dead of Night]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?253539 Stories for the Dead of Night]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?190685 The Penguin Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?503597 Nacht en Ontij]<br />
* "A Note for the Milkman" by Sidney Carroll - [https://tentoinfinity.com/2013/06/05/a-note-for-the-milkman-by-sidney-carroll/ SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439545 The Third Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?51648 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?193021 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?193049 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251425 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?180161 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251424 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251426 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?263437 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?444141 Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?503597 Nacht en Ontij]<br />
* "The Cone" by H. G. Wells - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cone SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?304364 Tales of Life and Adventure]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?574053 Tales of Life and Adventure]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439345 Tales of Life and Adventure]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?495929 A Harvest of Horrors]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?288845 The Time Machine: An Invention and Other Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360304 Human and Inhuman Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?426598 Human and Inhuman Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?426599 Human and Inhuman Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?331258 Selected Short Stories of H. G. Wells]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?524428 Selected Short Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?285926 Selected Short Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?352106 Selected Short Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?338206 Complete Short Story Omnibus]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37475 The Cone]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?575308 Works of H. G. Wells]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?420004 The Country of the Blind and Other Selected Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439545 The Third Pan Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?404370 Der gestohlene Bazillus und andere Geschichten]<br />
* "The Lodger" by Marie Belloc Lowndes - [https://margotkinberg.wordpress.com/2013/06/10/in-the-spotlight-marie-bellocc-lowndes-the-lodger/ SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18836 Jack the Knife]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27604 Red Jack]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?233089 Tales of Terror and Suspense]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?294185 Tales of Terror and Suspense]<br />
* "The Terrapin" by Patricia Highsmith - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Terrapin SUMMARY] - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?190685 The Penguin Book of Horror Stories]; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?301711 The Twelfth Pan Book of Horror Stories]<br />
Are there any of those stories you think ARE genre? [[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 15:33, 30 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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ADDENDUM: Discussion moved to the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Nongenre_stories:_attempt_at_a_roundup Community Portal]. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 01:00, 31 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry for the delay. I will comment there. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:21, 31 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== I added the Canadian price to your verified ==<br />
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I added the Canadian price to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15134].[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 20:46, 11 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Seventh Son ==<br />
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Please check the back cover of {{p|309648|Seventh Son}} to see if there's a cover art credit for James C. Christensen. I have a 13th printing that credits Christensen on the back cover and Nolan on the copyright page. My copy has the Noland artwork. Your copy has a die-cut cover with the Noland artwork partially visible in the cutout. You open the cover to view the entire Nolan painting. If your copy credits Christensen on the back cover then he likely did the artwork that's on the outer cover. I suspect a fix would be to add a second cover title record sort of like a dos-a-dos. --[[User talk:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 06:44, 30 June 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:Sorry to have taken so long. Finally managed to dig it up.... There are no credits of any kind on the back cover, just a blurb sandwiched between two quotes (''Washington Post Book World'' and ''Chicago Sun Times'') and "A Tom Doherty Associates, Inc. Book". The credits are:<br />
:*Cover art by Dennis Noland<br />
:*Cover design by Carol Russo<br />
:*Maps by Alan McKnight<br />
:and that's the extent of it. I have a very similar vintage -- and style -- book, {{P|27636|Red Prophet}}. On that there is also no additional credit, but the Nolan credit specifically says "'''Inside''' cover art..." (also, what looks like NOLAN is visible in the bottom right corner of the painting). If you want to add a second cover credited to Christensen based on your 13th printing, it's ok with me. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 14:23, 9 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== The Prophet of Lamath ==<br />
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Replaced the Amazon cover art for {{P|265759|The Prophet of Lamath}} with a scan of my copy, also added the Copyright statement. I've indicated that the LCCN is not valid. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 08:12, 6 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== The Wizard in Waiting ==<br />
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Replaced the Amazon Cover art for {{P|245277|The Wizard in Waiting}} with a scan of my copy, also added the Copyright statement. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 08:22, 6 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== The Power and the Prophet ==<br />
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Replaced the Amazon Cover art for {{P|45485|The Power and the Prophet}} with a scan of my copy, also added the Copyright statement. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 08:31, 6 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Full Moon Tonight ==<br />
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Hi Marty. You approved my submittal of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?629206 Moonbroth #11] and you made the title "Full Moon Tonight" by Amos Salmonson into a variant of "Amos"'s parent author Jessica Amanda Salmonson - all well and good. However that title appears a second time [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1880295 here] with a note saying that this is a "radically altered version" which first appeared in Moonbroth 11. My question is if it is "radically altered" should the title remain in the db twice as it exists now, with perhaps a note added to the one that appears in Moonbroth. Or should the Hag's Tapestry version be varianted to the Moonbroth version? Or something else? Thanks for any help. Doug / [[User:Vornoff|Vornoff]] 00:17, 9 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:If the texts are not "the same", then we consider them different works. I use "the same" in quotes because in practice we ignore situations where there are small differences. Without reading both pieces, I take the "radically altered" at face value and assume these are substantially different enough that they should not be merged. Also, with the exception of translations, we do not use variants to indicate derivation relationships. So no variant here. Adding a complementary note to the Moonbroth version about the Hag's Tapestry version is a good idea. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 06:32, 9 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for the clarification - very helpful. Doug / [[User:Vornoff|Vornoff]] 11:55, 9 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== four past midnight ==<br />
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fairly trivial; page # for introductory note for http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?14505 is xi,not xii; will fix if no objection. thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] 21:55, 14 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:No objection! --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:27, 15 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Castle Roogna ==<br />
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{{P|202541|Castle Roogna}}: I've updated the Printing History - the copyright statement does say <I>First Edition</I> not <I>First Printing</I>. The LCCN is as listed on the copyright statement but the web site says it is invalid. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 14:09, 17 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Can you help with canonical name change ==<br />
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Hi, I'm about to change the canonical name of Jaspre Bark to Jasper Bark, as I posted on the moderator notice board yesterday. Would you be able to stand by and approve the first steps in the process so I can go on to the next steps? I will first unvariant all variants, then I will go through the remaining titles on Jaspre Bark's page and either make a new variant for it or change the name on it and merge it. (Please don't delete anything before I've dealt with it.) Thanks! --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 10:24, 26 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
:Sure. Go nuts. :-) --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:25, 26 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:: All done; thank you very much! --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 10:51, 26 August 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Mathemagics ==<br />
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Replaced the Amazon Cover Art of {{P|21696|Mathemagics}} with a scan of my copy. I’ve added the LCCN although the LoC record states that is a hardcopy edition. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 07:56, 5 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Master of Many Treasures ==<br />
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Updated the Printing History and added the source of the cover artist to {{P|21626|Master of Many Treasures}}. Added the LCCN. Replaced the Amazon Cover art with a scan of my copy. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 12:51, 11 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Drgonne's Eg ==<br />
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Updated the Printing History and added the source of the cover artist to {{P|11221| Dragonne’s Eg}}. Added the LCCN. Replaced the Amazon Cover art with a scan of my copy. --[[User:AndyjMo|AndyjMo]] 12:57, 11 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== The Braintree Mission ==<br />
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Hi, In your verified copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?282184 The Braintree Mission] you credit the cover art to a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?170629 Jack O'Hara Cosgrave, II]. https://archive.org/details/braintreemission00nich has it as by [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?121904 John O'Hara Cosgrave, II]. Could you pleease check?--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 17:04, 19 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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:John, not Jack, it is. Corrected. Thanks for catching it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 21:04, 19 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?282870 Star Wars] ==<br />
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I was looking at verifying [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?282870 this pub] and saw that you had already added it. However, it appears that it should have From the the Adventure of Luke Skywalker as a subtitle and be moved in with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?25799 these pubs].<br />
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== Pohl's "Essay" or "Story" ==<br />
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If you want, I'll scan the item and send you a copy, just tell me where. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 10:13, 6 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks for the offer. It's fine. Aside from double-checking that the ESSAY typing was intentional vs. an oversight, I wasn't trying to debate the absolute correctness of how it is typed. I was only trying to figure out if the translation (which I don't have access to) is of the entire piece or a subset. I tried, but I can't tell, so I've defaulted to assuming it is (or it matches other non-Galaxy appearances). The only consequence of my punt is that I changed the variant's type to ESSAY so that it matches the parent. Not much harm there if in the future we decide the type should be different or that there's two forms of it -- one the full "essay" and another just the story with no commentary -- that should have different types assigned. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 18:19, 6 December 2017 (EST)<br />
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== SQL bug in Advanced Search ==<br />
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It turns out that we have a somewhat obscure bug in the Advanced Search logic: {{Bug|690}}. I have experimented with [https://sourceforge.net/p/isfdb/code-svn/HEAD/tree/trunk/biblio/adv_search_results.py the code], but I can't find a way to fix the bug without redoing the query generator. Since you are much better at SQL, I wonder if you may find some time to take a look and see if a straightforward solution may be possible. TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 14:31, 3 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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:Sure thing. Sorry about availability lately. My home computer is flaking out. Intermittently goes through bouts of freezing up for minutes at a time. I haven't been able to figure it out, and it makes doing anything involving multiple actions challenging.... --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:03, 4 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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:: No worries, take your time! One thing that I have come across is that very low humidity can cause ESD (electrostatic discharge) issues with CPUs. And, of course, low humidity is something that goes hand in hand with cold winters and using heaters. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 08:07, 4 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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:::Sorry, sorta bad news. You will need to rewrite at least a portion of it. The problem with "not exactly" and "does not contain" in the multi-table context is that with inner joins, those actually mean "has an XXX and XXX.yyy is not exactly/does not contain ZZZ". But the simple presentation leads one to expect the more intuitive: "does not have an XXX, or, if having XXX, XXX.yyy is not exactly/does not contain ZZZ". Notice you don't have the same problem with the complementary "is exactly" or "contains" because for those to work as expected, "has XXX" is quite obviously implicit and required.<br />
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:::So for those two operators, you would need outer join syntax instead, and then your query's test condition would need to treat null as equivalent to not matching/not containing. For example, ''... and (pub_series.pub_series_name is null or pub_series.pub_series_name not like '%ZZZ%')...'' or a MySQL-specific ''... and ifnull(pub_series.pub_series_name,<nowiki>''</nowiki>) not like '%ZZZ%'...''.<br />
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:::It's early in the morning, and I haven't yet had any coffee, but I think you might be able to rewrite the generation to do outer joins in all cases (rather than inner for some operators and outer for other operators) and always use the ifnull trick. If you didn't use ifnull, you'd need to vary the null checking -- ''is not null and...'' for the positive cases and ''is null or...'' for the negative cases. But with ifnull, you could always do ''ifnull(xxx,<nowiki>''</nowiki>) <comparison>...''. I don't know if an empty string in ifnull would work. If not, you could pick some arbitrary string that won't match, like ISFDBWILLNOTMATCH. The danger with going all outer joins all the time is you might get some bad performance and/or high peak memory usage. The optimizer is not going to be able to reduce the main table candidate row set via the smaller tables.<br />
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:::One final warning: In SQLServer, I ran into some issues mixing ANSI outer join syntax with inline inner joins (vs. using explicit ANSI inner join syntax). I have no reason to believe that MySQL would have that problem, but I figured I'd mention it.<br />
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:::I hope that helps. If you're not familiar with outer joins, let me know and I can give you some full examples. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:20, 4 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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:::: Thanks muchly! I remember reading about outer joins back when I was learning SQL, but I don't think I've ever had to use them. My earlier investigation had determined that the underlying problem was that inner joins assumed "has an XXX and XXX.yyy is not exactly/does not contain ZZZ", but I didn't realize that outer joins were the answer. I'll poke around to see what I can do... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:47, 4 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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:::::I sent you some examples in email. Let me know if you didn't get them. Happy to help with reformulation if you decide to go there. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 18:57, 4 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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== At the Earth's Core ==<br />
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I've added a line to the note for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3271 this] pub regarding the publisher's address and the ad(s) at the end. My copy is for 1120 Avenue of the Americas and has one ERB ad with 18 titles, but rumor has it there's a version for 23 West 47th Street with only 3 ERB titles, plus other ads. [[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:10, 8 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks, I will double-check my copy when I get a chance. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 14:37, 10 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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::My copy is the latter. It does not match the current notes. I will clone and make another edition. Mine has the 23 West 47th Street. The ad page has ERB F-157 - F-159, plus Otis Adelbert Kline D-516 and D-531, Leigh Brackett F-123, and Marion Zimmer Bradley F-117 and F-153 . F-titles 40&cent;, D-titles 35&cent;, repeating the 23 W. 47th St. address for purchases. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 14:00, 14 January 2018 (EST)<br />
::p.s. If your copy has F-204 in the ad, we have {{P|34551|that}} Ace edition as 1963-05-00 from the same source used for the 1962-09-00 date for ''At the Earth's Core''. We have F-159 as 1962-10-00, but I suppose it would be reasonable for a September F-157 to have a future date for something coming out the next month. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 14:22, 14 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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:::Mine does include the F-204. I presume the address change gives an approximate date and order for the two versions, much like the ads, but I have nothing to work with besides a number of Burroughs editions. [[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 17:27, 14 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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== The Chessmen of Mars ==<br />
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Replaced Amazon image with scan and moved OCLC to External IDs in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?283454 this] publication. [[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 12:16, 16 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Synthetic Men of Mars ==<br />
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Replaced Amazon image with scan in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?283481 this] pub. [[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 21:44, 16 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Academ's Fury ==<br />
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Replaced Amazon image with scan in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?296603 this] pub.[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:34, 22 January 2018 (EST)<br />
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== LitRPG Freaks ==<br />
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Thanks for getting me to look this up. ''LitRPG Freaks'' seems to be a real thing, or once was anyway. A google search leads me to [http://litrpgfreaks.com/ this site] but it hasn’t been updated since May of 2017. Witness [http://litrpgfreaks.com/our-books/ this]. I still don’t know if this is an online fan site, a publishing group, an online meeting place, or whatever. However, based on the content of this site, I think I ''will'' list them as a publisher. When somebody has some hard cold facts, like being a member of this collective/group/fan sit and they contact ISFDB then they correct or add to the known data. Let me know what you think. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 13:57, 13 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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:I think that sounds fine. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 06:42, 14 February 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Let me know when you are around ==<br />
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Thanks again for volunteering! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:55, 4 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
: I will check back in at 7:30 pm Eastern and then at 10 pm Eastern. Let's see if any of those work. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:52, 4 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
:: Sorry, to have been unreliable. I likely won't make 7:30, but I will 10 pm. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 18:25, 4 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
::: No worries at all. You around now by any chance? 18:36, 4 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
:::: All yours. Feel free to deal with them in anyway you see fit. Thanks again and have a good weekend. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:02, 4 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
::::: Thanks again for dealing with all of these! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:51, 21 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Karlo Yeager Rodríguez ==<br />
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Good morning -- could you correct [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?241475 Karlo Yeager Rodriguez] to Karlo Yeager Rodríguez with an accent? He has one verified publication & the verifier confirms that the diacritic is there. Thanks --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 07:28, 21 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
:All set. Did you see the alternate, hyphenated name? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:39, 21 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
:: Yes-- the one publication where it appears didn't print the diacritic, so I guess we should leave it that way unless "Yeager-Rodríguez" turns up someplace. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 08:00, 21 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Held submission ==<br />
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I'm not sure what that's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3812048 this submission] about. <br />
I made a change, but not there and all the changes I recall have been accomplished. <br />
I always leave a note--was there a note? [[User:Lucidobias|Luci]] 15:33, 23 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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At a second glance it appears the same record of that number was previously approved the previous day; so somehow that record was duplicated almost 24 hours later. [[User:Lucidobias|Luci]] 16:32, 23 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Tonight's author correcion ==<br />
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Could you correct [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?272891 Francisco J. Perez] to Francisco J. Pérez? Thanks --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 20:33, 24 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:Lots of computer problems since the last batch of M$ updates, but done. It set his language to English. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 20:39, 24 May 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== A Fighting Man of Mars - Edgar Rice Burroughs ==<br />
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I recently added a variation [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?676060 here] of the publication you had verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?560 here]. The two versions differ in the ads in the final pages, which I documented in the notes. I had arbitrarily chosen which ads were associated with each publication, so you may need to move your verification to the other copy, depending on what you have in your copy. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 17:16, 28 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:Yes, thanks. I moderated that submission and checked my copy, which matched your notes. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:24, 29 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Star Trek 4 (German Terra Astra 122) and Star Trek 7 (Bantam Books, 1979) ==<br />
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Hi, I've placed a link in the notes at the German Terra Astra publication with a link to [https://www.sfandfantasy.co.uk/php/details2.php?id=1085 this page], where it says "This cover illustration was used for:<br />
Terra Astra #222 (Pabel, 1975) and Star Trek 7 (Bantam Books, 1979)".--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 04:47, 31 July 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== BB Codes discussion ==<br />
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When you get a chance, could you please review [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#BB_Codes_-_First_pass this discussion]? It's the latest iteration of the security-related issues which we discussed in the past. TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:42, 11 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== E-mail problems ==<br />
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I am trying to figure out if any of my attempts to e-mail you earlier today made it through since I have received a bunch of delivery failure notifications. Could you please respond here to let me know if the e-mail made it? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 21:43, 13 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:Hi. No, nothing from you since 8/12 3:35pm with the numbered list, to which I replied about #3 with regard to zapping tags not whitelisted. Nothing in spam filter. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:49, 14 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks, I'll try again. Both your main address and the Sourceforge one returned multiple errors: like "multiple delivery attempts failed" and "SMTP error from remote server for TEXT command, host: mx.sourceforge.net ([IP address]) reason: 550 This message scored 23.3 points." I may need to edit my email and remove the iffy bits in case it's a problem with the payload. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 09:06, 14 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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::: SourceForge has returned yet another delivery failure message. I then used the ISFDB e-mail server and received a copy of my e-mail from SourceForge. I guess it means that SourceForge is OK, but the final destination is having issues. As I recall, they had problems last week, but I thought they were fixed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:09, 14 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Updating SERIAL Help ==<br />
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I am leaving this message on the Talk pages of active editors who (AFAIK) are currently active in the magazine/fanzine area. Based on recent feedback from a new editor, I have attempted to streamline our Help templates which govern the use of the SERIAL title type. I have posted a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#SERIAL_in_Help_templates proposal] which shuffles the relevant snippets between 3 different Help templates and clarifies a few things. When you get a chance, could you please review the proposed language to make sure that it's accurate and comprehensive? TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:24, 24 August 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== About the Illustrator (A Wizard of Earthsea) ==<br />
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Hi. We have 5 or 6 title records for About the Illustrator (A Wizard of Earthsea), some of which are in the queue as I depart [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=About+the+Illustrator&type=All+Titles]. Some of the later ones may be about illustrators other than Ruth Robbins, for all I know.<br />
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That listed in the January 1982 Bantam 16th printing, verified by you and Marc Kupper, is distinctive in crediting illustrator Ruth Robbins as the author of the essay T{{t|360461}}. I see that it may be useful to have that work listed on the Robbins summary bibliography page, but I doubt that she is credited for it. Do you know of any discussion, or proposal, to make ESSAY and NONFICTION about a person easier to find, whether by work-around or database augmentation?<br />
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Anyway, if your copy of the book is handy, does the essay provide no useful information about {{a|Ruth Robbins}}? (This weekend I provided what little we have.) --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 22:36, 10 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
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:The essay is uncredited. The credit is on the title page, "Illustrated by Ruth Robbins", and on the copyright page, "Copyright (c) 1968 …, by Ruth Robbins for drawings."<br />
:The entirety of the essay is:<br />
::''Ruth Robbins illustrated'' A Penny and a Perriwinkle'','' Fisherman's Luck'','' Wild Animals of the Far West'','' Stories California Indians Told'' and'' Ishi, Last of His Tribe'' (an ALA Notable Book). She is the author of'' Baboushka and the Three Kings'' (Caldecott Award), ''The Emperor and the Drummer Boy'' (an ALA Notable Book) and ''Harlequin and Mother Goose''. She lives in Berkeley, California, with her husband and son.''<br />
:FWIW, the "About the Author" isn't credited, either. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 22:20, 11 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks for the transcript. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:02, 12 September 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Jupiter ==<br />
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Added notes and a cover scan to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19207 Jupiter].<br />
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== Magazine dates redux ==<br />
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A quick FYI: the issue of magazine dates has [[Rules_and_standards_discussions#Magazine_issue_dates|resurfaced]]. I have copy-pasted your August proposal. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:04, 1 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Onthuld duplicate epub submitted? ==<br />
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Hi, I noticed you [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4030641 submitted] a kindle edition of {{p|2461317|Onthuld}}. This is (highly likely) a duplicate of the already-existing entry with {{p|691436|ISBN 978-90-00-34317-1}}; this is evidenced by the fact that the publication dates are the same and, when searching with this ISBN on Amazon.nl, the kindle edition is retrieved. The fact that the publisher is different is not sufficient to warrant a separate entry since De Boekerij and Van Goor are part of the same publishers' group, and the entered publisher is likely in error (we won't know for sure unless we can check an electronic copy of the ebook; however, ISBN series 978-90-00 is typically used by Van Goor).<br><br />
I therefore suggest to merge both pub records, and make notes. Are you OK with that? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 04:48, 9 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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PS: A nice graph can be found [https://www.lannoo.be/nl/over-ons here] where you can see that Van Goor and De Boekerij both belong to LannooMeulenhoff bv<br />
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:Sorry, I was out of town for a few days. Yes, merging them seems appropriate. I somehow missed the existing entry. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:01, 11 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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::np. I'll take care of the merger. Thanks for the confirmation. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 12:48, 11 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Weird LCCN ==<br />
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Hello Marty, <br />
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I am trying to clear the remaining non-linked and not-migrated LCCNs in the system and got to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?282401 this one]. The number 200304618 does not seem to lead anywhere however the hardcover from the previous year (same publisher), has [https://lccn.loc.gov/2003042618 2003042618]. Is there a typo in the book? Or did a "2" in the middle get missed during the entry creation? <br />
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If it is a book typo, I would like to document that and template the actual number. Or just template the actual number if it is a typo in our DB. I will also direct the other PV here so we have the conversation in one place. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:43, 26 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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:I couldn't immediately find the book on my shelves. I will dig through the boxes tonight. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:14, 27 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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::Hi Annie. I found the book, and it is as documented. The bottom 1/4th of the copyright page:<br />
<pre><br />
ISBN 0-765-34390-8<br />
EAN 978-0765-34390-1<br />
Library of Congress Catalog Card Number: 200304618<br />
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First Edition: May 2003<br />
First mass market edition: May 2004<br />
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Printed in the United States of America<br />
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0 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1<br />
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::Feel free to do what you want with it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 21:24, 27 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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::: Thanks for tracking it down. I edited to add what I found (if we know it, why not document it). Feel free to edit further if you want :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:40, 27 November 2018 (EST)<br />
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== Imaro ==<br />
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Thank you, I would like to include an essay that Charles R. Saunder wrote for Dragon magazine, but I do not know how to put an issue, he also did one for The Savage Sword of Conan, but that one is not registered. [[User:Hyju|Hyju]] 09:16, 30 March 2019 (EDT)<br />
:The issue where he published is # 122 (1987), which is not registered. [[User:Hyju|Hyju]] 10:11, 30 March 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== Steel Brother ==<br />
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You primary-verified this item: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?240605 . I added publication information on the story "Out of the Darkness," taken from that edition's acknowledgments. [[User:Hifrommike65|Hifrommike65]] 7:14, 2 June 2019 (CDT)<br />
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== Whispers II ==<br />
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You primary-verified this item: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?282910 . I added a OCLC link. [[User:Hifrommike65|Hifrommike65]] 8:29, 10 July 2019 (CDT)<br />
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== Ee Leen Lee update ==<br />
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I was trying to set the primary language to English, but it seems like that's already the case. I'll cancel the edit.<br />
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== Of Time and Space and Other Things == <br />
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You primary-verified this edition: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?205749 I added OCLC number to External ID, shifted the LCCN number from pub note to External ID, and lightly edited the pub note for consistent capitalization. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] 18:49, 3 October 2019 (CST)<br />
: I have submitted a removal of the LCCN number from the pub note, since the number was for Doubleday's first edition, not this one. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] 12:28, 9 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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::The only problem I have with these changes is that now the documentation that the book lists an LCCN on its copyright page has been lost. I would rather than had been converted to a note saying what LCCN is listed and pointing out it's for a different edition. I will probably dig up my copy of the book and put that information back into the notes. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:10, 10 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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::: Not sure why the removal was approved - when Mike shifted it to the External ID earlier this month, I moved it back to the notes and left it there as it was (and explained why). I tend to do notes instead of deleting - especially because these are on the copyright pages a lot. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 10:25, 10 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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::::Yeah, I did not investigate. It's ok, I can easily reconstruct it. :-) --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:43, 10 October 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== 二十二分間の予言 ==<br />
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Hi MartyD, <br />
The editor is not the most responsive but he adds works we do miss so... I tend to do some more legwork than usual - usually adding ASINs while I am at that when he adds kindle works. [https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B00TNG7VBS This is the book] he is trying to add. Amazon has it as 86 pages which in any other language would be a novella; not entirely sure for Japanese but I rarely see him mixing up the containers lately. You may want to ping Nihonjoe for an opinion but at 86, I am pretty sure it will be too short for a novel. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:14, 5 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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:Ok, thanks. I am away this week and did not have time to do the research. I will fix it up when I get a chance. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:36, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== The Story Behind the Foundation - Asimov essay ==<br />
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Hi, could you please confirm whether the essay in your PV {{P|286824|here}} is actually the 1982-12-00 date? I'm asking because I have the same title but dated 1986 in a different Grafton edition and I'm trying to sort out loose ends. Thanks, Kev. [[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] 23:22, 8 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:For technical reasons, could you not change any records at the moment, if you think they might need it: Annie's sorting out some background stuff first. Hope this is ok with you. Thanks, Kev. [[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] 00:46, 9 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:: After restoring back to where we were before I merged, this one indeed remained with the 1982 ones (where it was before) so the question still stands - if these essays are indeed different, is this one really the early one and not the revised? (newly written?) 1986 version? :) Thanks for the patience, gentlemen. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:24, 9 December 2019 (EST)<br />
(unindent) MartyD, could you please compare your essay with this 1986 one [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:The_Story_Behind_the_Foundation_1986.jpg] and let me know when yours is dated for. Thanks, Kev. [[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] 19:57, 9 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:Sorry, I've been a bit busy. The one in my book matches the picture and is dated 1986 (as that one is). Someone probably merged it with something dated 1982. I will put a note in the pub about the essay credit but will otherwise leave everything else alone -- I assume one of you will fix the date. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:46, 10 December 2019 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks Marty! I will go chase a few more PVs - I think that all the Foundation and Earth books have the newer essay - but we have enough verifier to check. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:36, 10 December 2019 (EST)<br />
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== Proven Guilty - Jim Butcher ==<br />
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I see you're a PV for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?96631]. Does your copy match the cover illustration exactly? Mine (1st printing, full numline) has different wording, and a 'As seen on SciFi' circle. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:49, 6 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Seeing it's an Amazon-provided cover pic, chances are it's not the actual cover that's shown. I'll let Marty confirm for this case, but it's good practice (imo) to always replace any external cover link with a scan of the actual book at hand. I myself have had several occasions where cover of a book I own differs (considerably) from what Amazon shows. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 03:32, 7 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Sorry for the delay. I will check on it later today. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:37, 7 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::No, it no longer matches. Mine has the "As seen on SciFi" circle, and the ROC logo is in the bottom left, not the bottom right. I will do a scan for it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:31, 8 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Orc's opal ==<br />
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MartyD. I took your suggestion and tried to add a note regarding the erroneous LCCN on my copy. Was my post unacceptable. I did not include the correct LCCN 90-39230. Should I have? The submission number is 4720764. I don't know which moderator is handling. Thanks for your help. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 14:53, 12 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Sorry, my availability is a little sporadic. I see Annie handled the submission since you posted this. Submissions sometimes sit because no moderator has gotten to them yet. A wait does not necessarily imply that anything is wrong. If a moderator handles a submission and finds a problem with it, they will contact you, rest assured. If something is not the way it should be, the moderator's responsibilities include coaching the submitter to avoid the same problem in the future -- community training! :-) --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:58, 14 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Lord Halifax's Complete Ghost Book ==<br />
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As verifier of {{P|286432|Lord Halifax's Complete Ghost Book}}, please see [[Rules_and_standards_discussions#Lord_Halifax.27s_Ghost_Stories|this discussion]]. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:23, 17 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Industrial Magic ==<br />
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since the covers were "same" I replaced the amazon.com image that was changed -- can you confirm {{P|291045|Industrial Magic}} [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 15:13, 2 November 2020 (EST)<br />
:Hi Susan. You say "Industrial Magic", but the link is to "Dime Store Magic", and it looks like you did that in 2013. I did not see any of my primary verifications that you changed recently, so I'm not sure what's up. I looked for "Magic" in the pending Moderator queue and don't see anything there, either. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 15:38, 4 November 2020 (EST)<br />
:: Marty, I think [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4821054 this] was the change. As it is an ISFDB cover, specifically added to this publication, being replaced with an Amazon one and the moderator note made no sense considering where the cover was, I was very reluctant to approve without a positive note by the PVs. And I did not see this thread because the names did not match... You can unreject if it is a valid change (and the ISFDB cover will need to be deleted). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:52, 4 November 2020 (EST)<br />
:::Ah, got it. Looks like the original cover image addition was a mistake -- it's the wrong cover. The Amazon link in the rejected change is better (correct photo/art) but is still not the right cover (no Bantam logo + price line). I will scan and add the right one. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 09:50, 6 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Wells Omnibus ==<br />
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I've got a question about your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?269163 verified publication]. We have the title as "The War of the Worlds and The Time Machine" which certainly matches the cover and also the Worldcat record. However, Reginald1 has the title as "The Time Machine; and, The War of the Worlds" for the 1961 Dolphin edition. He specifically indicates that it is a variant title of the 1956 Globe edition. Could you double check and see if the title page differs from the cover, and our record? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:20, 5 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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:Hi Ron. Sorry about the delay -- I had this shelved in an unexpected spot.... The immediate 1st interior endpaper-ish page and the title page both have the same<br />
::THE WAR OF THE WORLDS<br />
::::''and''<br />
::THE TIME MACHINE<br />
:The only difference between those and the cover is the formatting (titles in all-caps, "and" italicized). The back cover and spine omit the "and", simply stacking the two all-caps titles. Definitely Dolphin, 1961. 95c on the cover. Maybe he mixed up which edition has which text? --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:19, 6 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Storm Front ==<br />
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There appear to be two publication records for the same publication. Both are the 18th printing with one record using the ISBN10 and the other the ISBN13 of the same ISBN. I suspect you and the other editor should work out how to combine them or to add notes that explain why there are two records and how to distinguish the publications.<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?183681 Storm Front] PV by [[User talk:MartyD|MartyD]] on 2009-03-0 and using ISBN 978-0-451-45781-3<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?701326 Storm Front] PV by [[User talk:Taweiss|Taweiss]] on 2019-01-16 and using ISBN 0-451-45781-1<br />
--[[User talk:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] 15:33, 21 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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:Hmm. Thanks. Looks like that second one is even a clone of the first -- it has exactly my same note about the source of the cover credit. I wonder why it was let through. I'll try to figure out what's going on. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 14:31, 24 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Nick St(r)aguzzi ==<br />
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Hi, Marty, a good new year to you! The co-author of the story in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?556749 this magazine] likely is Nick Straguzzi, but if there's a typo in the magazine or one in our database, that's the question. Are you able to take a look? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:56, 3 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:Yes, definitely a typo. Fixed. Thanks! --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:05, 4 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Now & Beyond ==<br />
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Hi<br />
I noticed that we have the editor of ''{{P|268841|Now & Beyond}}'' listed as "Ivan Howard" and I believe that his is the actual editor. However, {{Reginald1}} and Worldcat do not list an editor. Contento1 does list Howard as the editor but notes that the book was published as by "Anonymous" (equivalent to our "uncredited"). Could you double check the title page and if no editor is credited, I think we should changed the record to uncredited and make a variant of the resulting title to Howard. I'm leaving the same note on [[User talk:Stoecker|Stoecker]]'s and [[User talk:Willem H.|Willem H.]]'s pages as they are the other verifiers who have been active in the last 3 months. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:55, 31 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry, it was a bit of an archeological excavation to find the book. 12 years ago is a long time! There is absolutely no editor credit anywhere in/on the book, nor is there any sort of preface/introduction or afterword -- it's just the bare 8 stories. I wouldn't have created the credit. Unfortunately, I don't know if the record was there with the credit and I blindly "verified" it, or if someone added it from a secondary source. I'm ok with changing it to uncredited if we don't have any such source. It is copyright 1952, 1955, 1956, 1958 by Columbia Productions, Inc. I suspect that's for four of the stories, but it's not explicit in that regard. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 18:16, 12 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Mule ==<br />
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Isaac Asimov. I think this is actually a novel, not a novella. I estimate it at 50000 words. [[User:Ommadawndk|Ommadawndk]] 15:59, 31 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:I dug up my Doubleday omnibus and see it's about 143 full pages (roughly 138 full pages and 10 half pages). The density is about 350 words per page, so your estimate of 50000 looks right to me. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:47, 5 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Magic Kingdom of Landover ==<br />
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As a PV of at least one volume please follow link to review proposed changes to [[User talk:Scifibones #Magic Kingdom of Landover map consolidation| Magic Kingdom of Landover map consolidation]]. John, [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 19:27, 24 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== on or On? ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_selection.cgi?title; typing "moving on" as an exact title shows maybe a dozen titles, and only the one I made an edit for has "on" in lowercase, so should all the others be lowercase, too? --[[User:Username|Username]] 08:29, 9 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
: There is a reference in [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive16#Capitalization_in_English_and_special_cases this] discussion. I don't know that anything has changed. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 14:46, 9 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Sorry for the delay, I was visiting my mother yesterday.... Under the current rules, "on" should only be capitalized if it is the first word in the title (or subtitle), regardless of its part of speech. So, yes, the instances where it is capitalized as "Moving On" are the non-conformers. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:05, 10 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Terminal ==<br />
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Hi Marty, I started to verify [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?282447 Terminal] and I saw the this note ' "03549" on rear cover '. What does that mean? Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:54, 19 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:I have looked high and low and haven't been able to find the book. It's here somewhere, but where exactly is a mystery.... My guess is there was a small white box in a lower corner with that number in it. I was probably somewhat worried that it might be a book club edition. If that were the case, the presence/absence of that number could be a clue for how to distinguish the retail edition from the book club edition. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:00, 22 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Thanks for checking, Marty. My guess was that the book club editon was accidently verified. Should I remove that note, or clone the pub and create a true first edition? If I clone, we should remove the date, price, and printing note from the verified record. Let me know which you prefer [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:17, 22 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:::I pointed Gzuckier to this to see if he can contribute any information about his copy. I wish I could find mine. In the absence of that, my inclination is for you to clone it and make a record for your copy, noting the absence of any number on the back, and then add a note to this record that it's a likely book club edition. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:19, 27 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::::I submitted the edit to your pub as suggested. I left the other fields unchanged. If you do find it, and it is indeed a book club edition, the other fields should be changed. I'm curious to see if Gzuckier responds, his verification on 2016-11-09 was transient. I know I wouldn't remember that far back. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:09, 27 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:::::If we keep this as an SFBC, shouldn't the publisher be changed into 'G. P. Putnam's Sons / SFBC' as well? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:20, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::::::We would use BCE unless we knew it to be SFBC specifically. I sort of doubt this would have been an SFBC, but we might be able to check catalogues/lists for that. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:28, 29 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::::Hi. I'm afraid my copy's gone free range around the house somewhere, but if it turns up I'll let you guys know. Thanks for the info[[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] 01:10, 2 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::::::Hi me again. I found my copy, and it doesn't have the number box on the back cover.[[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] 11:53, 3 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Bite of Monsters / O'Neal ==<br />
<br />
My copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?281875] has a copyright in Roman numerals. Does yours? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 01:22, 1 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:Sorry, I have not been able to find it. The book storage area has been subject to some rearrangement, so I suspect it got mis-shelved. I will keep looking. But my copy apparently had no copyright date (from what my comment says), so if yours has a copyright, it is probably a different edition. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 14:18, 6 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
Ok, I've cloned it and noted the copyright. (My copy has a copyright page with just the single line near the bottom of the page). --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:54, 6 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
==Bound to the Dark Prince==<br />
"Bound to the Dark Prince" by Aria Lovely is a new book that I recently added to the data base. Title Record # 2898585 This is her first book in her "The Fae Wars" series. Unfortunately it has been tied to another Fae Wars series, "The Fae Wars: Onslaught" by J. F. Holmes and Lucas Marcum. Title Record # 2851786 "Bound to the Dark Prince" by Aria Lovely is book 1 of her The Fae Wars through Kindle (Goodreads 57399557) "The Fae Wars: Onslaught" by J. F. Holmes and Lucas Marcum is also a Vol One (Goodreads 57399557)(Kindle) Date base shows Cannon Publishing. Amazon shows this as a Kindle & Paperback and is the first of 2 books with the 2nd as "The Fae Wars: The Fall". These are 2 different series by 2 different authors with the same name and should be separated. [[User:Aardvark7|aardvark7]] 17:31, 14 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Ok, I'll take a look and straighten it out. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:28, 15 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::Both series call themselves "The Fae Wars". The software links titles to series by name, so in a situation where we have multiple series with the same name, we have to add disambiguation to the those names. Where the titles in a series are all credited to the same author(s), we use their names. I've done that. Now we have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?62763 The Fae Wars (Lovely)] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?63994 The Fae Wars (Holmes, Marcum)]. If you visit either of those, you'll notice the software also automatically includes a prominent pointer to the other series with a similar name. I hope that makes sense. Please ask if that's not clear or if you have any questions. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:40, 15 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== MediaWiki upgrade ==<br />
<br />
<waves><br />
<br />
We have a new contributor, [https://sourceforge.net/u/erdnagel/ Klaus Elsbernd], who has been looking into upgrading MySQL, MediaWiki and HTTPS. I am currently working with him on the HTTPS migration, but I am a bit out of my depth on the MediaWiki side. When you have a free moment, do you think you could take a look at the proposed authentication upgrade for MedaWiki 1.25+? It's in the Discussion section of {{SR|184}}. TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:17, 26 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Well, during my ongoing manual acquisition of my SF collection (using Book Collector) I stumbled on ISFDB and used it a lot for my english SF. So I want to support your effort over all these years. Since I'd like to support OpenSolaris/OpenIndiana too, I created a local copy of ISFDB and upgraded it to the current software: Mariadb 10.3, Phyton 2.7, MediaWiki 1.36.1, Apache 2.4 and converting the database (including MediaWiki) to move to HTTPS (using bash-scripts).<br />
: Mediawiki has changed since version 1.24 the method of storing passwords in its databases, which ISFDB uses. From then on, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PBKDF2 PBKDF2] is used. At least, one reference to the password in ISFDB-wiki is the login cgi-script submitlogin.cgi. I changed this script to support the newer MediaWiki, as can be seen in [https://sourceforge.net/p/isfdb/support-requests/184/ sourceforge support-requests 184]. It should be compatible to an old MediaWiki, because the code around the MD5-checksum isn't removed.<br />
<br />
: The move of MD5 to PBKDF2 is referred in the documentation of MediaWiki somewhere. I have to search for it again, if needed. There are notes about changing the password hash in the database during user-login into the wiki automatically (first login).<br />
: MediaWiki 1.36.1 suggests a minimal password length of 10 characters. Can be skipped, but is somewhat annoying.<br />
<br />
: There is another small problem, I described too: The remove of mw_user->user_options, which is referred in some maintenance scripts scripts/create_user.py. This column is removed in MediaWiki 1.19.<br />
: During the upgrade process in MediaWiki, this column is removed smoothly in the database. But the ISFDB script has to remove the reference too.<br />
: With the help of scripts [https://sourceforge.net/p/isfdb/feature-requests/1298/ sourceforge feature-requests 1298] I then changed all references in the MediaWiki-database to use HTTPS. [[User:Elsbernd|elsbernd]] 23:45, 26 August 2021 (EDT) (modified references --[[User:Elsbernd|elsbernd]] 06:42, 28 August 2021 (EDT))<br />
<br />
::Roger. Will look at it. I did an upgrade of a (work) MediaWiki installation from 1.16 to 1.34 and had no problems on the MediaWiki side. A few plug-ins were my only issue, and our use of Semantic MediaWiki made it a little more painful (had to do a few intermediate upgrades). If our code is hashing the password and looking it up in MediaWiki, then we'd necessarily have to change what we're doing if they changed their hash algorithm. That makes sense to me. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 16:36, 27 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks! :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:36, 27 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::: From MediaWiki 1.36.1, file HISTORY: Configuration changes in 1.24:<br />
:::: <nowiki>* The default password type for MediaWiki has been changed from MD5 to PBKDF2.<br />
Password hashes will automatically be updated as users log in. If necessary,<br />
the old MD5 hashing can be restored by changing $wgPasswordDefault to 'B'.<br />
In addition, there is a maintenance script wrapOldPassword.php that can wrap<br />
all passwords in PBKDF2 (or the hashing algorithm of your choice) if you don't<br />
want to wait for your users to log in.</nowiki>--[[User:Elsbernd|elsbernd]] 07:15, 28 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::::Ah, right. One thing we have to consider is that people will log into the main ISFDB instead of into the Wiki, in which case there will be no automatic upgrade benefit. So perhaps forcing it to continue to use the old algorithm would be best. But ideally, it would be good to upgrade to the better algorithm, so maybe just force everyone to log in again after the upgrade. You could post a notice. Shouldn't be too bad. I don't quite understand about how a wrapper would work -- the existing hash can't be used to make a compatible new hash. Seems hack-ish and worth avoiding. May as go one of the two straightforward routes. My vote would be to upgrade to the new hash and force everyone to log in again. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 09:47, 29 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: MD5 is broken a dozen years ago. Staying with the old algorithm should therefore be avoided. Using the wrapper script I'll have to look at it, but I can't imagine how this can be archived. So I would "vote" (I'm not in that position) too to force everyone to change the password. There could be a hint, if submitlogin.cgi detects the MD5-storage. Additionally this would not only use the modern/better storage-algorithm, but although a longer password :-) <br />
:::::: I always login into www.isfdb.org first, and then have to login into the wiki again. Don't know what arguments would do it the other way round.<br />
:::::: Thanks to [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]], who has already included the modification in patch-level [https://sourceforge.net/p/isfdb/feature-requests/1298/ 718] [[Development/Recent_Patches]] He works hard on all those changes. {{unsigned|Elsbernd}}<br />
<br />
== Llana of Gathol / John Carter of Mars ==<br />
<br />
Your PV'd pub of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?283482 Llana of Gathol] has a date of April 1979 and states it is the 11 printing of the US edition. April 1979 is also the date of the second Canadian printing, distinguished only by "Printed in Canada". A reference work I have to hand states that no eleventh US printing has been discovered. I was wondering if yours could be one. Could you check the print country? (P.S. if it is the US, I'd like to submit images of the cover/copyright page if possible). Many thanks ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:49, 2 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
I see that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?283801 John Carter of Mars] presents the same question, albeit as the ninth US vs third Canadian printing. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 15:40, 3 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:'''Llana of Gathol''' -- I can't speak to the authority of your reference work, but my copy appears to me clearly a U.S. edition. Title page has "Ballantine Books - New York". Copyright page states "Published by Ballantine Books, a division of Random House, Inc., New York, and simultaneously in Canada by Random House of Canada, Limited, Toronto, Canada." Below that, it says: "Manufactured in the United States of America". I can't interpret that as anything but a U.S. printing.<br />
:<br />
: The are four printing dates given:<br />
::First U.S. Printing: August 1963<br />
::Eleventh U.S. Printing: April 1979<br />
::First Canadian Printing: September 1963<br />
::Second Canadian Printing: April 1979<br />
:<br />
:So it seems April 1979 does indeed have both a U.S. and a Canadian printing.<br />
:<br />
:'''John Carter of Mars''' -- This has all of the same details as above, except for the printing dates:<br />
::First U.S. Printing: April 1965<br />
::Ninth U.S. Printing: April 1979<br />
::First Canadian Printing: June 1965<br />
::Third Canadian Printing: April 1979<br />
:<br />
:So here, too, looks like two editions on April 1979 (makes sense -- they probably re-published the entire set), with the book I have the U.S. edition. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 18:09, 3 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::p.s. I noticed while uploading cover images that both say "Cover printed in USA" at the bottom right corner on the back. I have uploaded pictures of everything.:<br />
::* [[:Image:LLNFGTHLWT1979-FrontCover.jpg]]<br />
::* [[:Image:LLNFGTHLWT1979-BackCover.jpg]]<br />
::* [[:Image:LLNFGTHLWT1979-TitlePage.jpg]]<br />
::* [[:Image:LLNFGTHLWT1979-CopyrightPage.jpg]]<br />
::* [[:Image:JHNCRTRFMR1979-FrontCover.jpg]]<br />
::* [[:Image:JHNCRTRFMR1979-BackCover.jpg]]<br />
::* [[:Image:JHNCRTRFMR1979-TitlePage.jpg]]<br />
::* [[:Image:JHNCRTRFMR1979-CopyrightPage.jpg]]<br />
::Sorry about the flash glare on the cover shots. Let me know if you need anything else. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 18:55, 3 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: As to the authority, what he claims to have seen, he either has in his possession or has images of (I sent a number of Canadian editions). What he claims doesn't exist - absence of proof is not proof of absence and that's pretty much what he's going on. I've sent the images to him, we'll see what he says. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 15:28, 5 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::: After checking his inventory again, kicking himself and apologizing, he acknowledged that he actually owns the same US editions you have. It's the corresponding Canadian ones he believes exist but has no evidence for. Thanks for helping set things straight. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:32, 13 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Nice. Glad the info was useful. Thanks for the follow-up. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:23, 13 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== La Cuisine Humaine: How to Cook Like a Human Being ==<br />
<br />
Hi Marty, <br />
<br />
I am very confused by [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5076045 this update]. Why would a non-fiction book that has no fiction elements be a chapbook when we require fiction (poem, story, serial) for chapbooks? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:28, 5 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:I don't remember what was going on at the time. I'm pretty sure I concluded it's not non-fiction, so CHAPBOOK seemed best, despite the ESSAY type. Feel free to change it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:40, 6 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Well, if it is not non-fiction, a fiction type of a title needs to be added (changing the essay or adding a second one). We cannot have empty chapbooks. :) I will do some digging and see what may be best. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:46, 6 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Changed it back and added a note to the nonfiction container. Looks like a fictional essay... which can be tricky. Maybe that essay needs to become a story actually. :) Will chase a few PVs in a bit. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:01, 6 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Bulfinch's Mythology ==<br />
<br />
In digging around the archives for ISFDB's take on mythology, I ran across [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive41#Bulfinch.27s_Mythology this] discussion on Bulfinch's Mythology. You seemed to have agreed with keeping these as collections, but have not entered your 1978 copy, nor responded to Vasha's request to enter the contents. Do yo have any comments before I submit my reprinted 1960's editions of these books? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 11:05, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
:Wow, there's a bit of a blast from the past. I don't know that I formed an opinion; I was only trying to provide information. To be honest, it is not clear to me if this material should be "in" under ISFDB policy. Anyway, I have no objection to your adding the information. Maybe that will motivate me to add mine :-) --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:32, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
::I've submitted the Collection without contents for now, I figure I can import them easily enough. I did notice - based on the one edition that did include the detailed contents - that there is an extra section in my edition - List of Illustrative Passages. And, based on the preface, think there's an entirely new section in the Age of Chivalry called "The Knights of English History" added by Edward Everett Hale in 1883. I agree the inclusion is debatable, the reason I dug it up was trying to figure out whether to enter any of the Icelandic eddas and sagas. And by the by, 2016 isn't that long ago, I've only been here a year longer than you. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 14:16, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
::You want a real (but relevant) blast from the past - see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard/Archive_03#The_Sword_of_the_Golem_by_Abraham_Rothberg this]. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 14:20, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
== No The in the Title ==<br />
<br />
https://richarddalbyslibrary.com/products/dermot-chesson-spence-little-red-shoes-ghost-story-1995-number-1-350; The extra "the" in the title is only in the original. The reprint doesn't have it; see title page at link. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:50, 12 February 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
:Yeah, thanks. I figured it out and fixed it up. We needed a variant, which I've put in place. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:55, 12 February 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
:: I made an edit with the cover artist's name, and found this, [http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Ty-3sObnSZkJ:https://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portrait/mw235461/Dermot-Spence-Muriel-Evelyn-Spence-ne-Crailsham&hl=en&gl=us&strip=1&vwsrc=0], which gives month and day of birth but also says he died in 1963, not 1966. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:23, 12 February 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
:::I noticed the bio on the 1937 dust jacket (facsimile [https://www.dustjackets.com/pictures/31028.jpg?v=1316529675 here]) says he's 33, so that at least corroborates the 1904. [https://ancestors.familysearch.org/en/GSF8-BNM/dermot-chesson-1904-1966 This site] says 1966 and age 62, and it looks like [https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Supernatural_Index/RPrvLFYwm30C?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=dermot+spence+chesson&pg=PA517 Contento] also thinks 1966. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:48, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
::::Oh, check out [https://www.freebmd.org.uk/ this site]. [https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?r=234609076:0785&d=bmd_1644238129 This] confirms 1966. They also have a [https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?r=234609076:0785&d=bmd_1644238129&scan=1 scan] of the original record. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:52, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
::::And [https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?r=112394314:6716&d=bmd_1644238129 here] gives us Sep 1904 birth date, although it looks like the registry is July - September, so one can't tell the month precisely. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:54, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Lot No. 249 ==<br />
<br />
Regarding {{T|874151}}: Variants are dated based on the first appearance under that title and artist credit. 1892 was the original appearance of the story, not the original appearance of this variant. Doyle was not knighted until 1902 so any credit with Sir has to be after that date. I have restored the prior date. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:35, 19 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:Oops, missed that. The book gave 1892, and I failed to think about it further. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 06:55, 20 February 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
== The High Lord ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41508 The High Lord], do you mind if I change the page count to [10]+531 and add titles for the maps on [8], "Lord Dannyl's Guide to Slum Slang (The High Lord)" on pg 527, and "Glossary (The High Lord)" on pg 529? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:49, 10 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
:Not at all. Knock yourself out! --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 14:35, 10 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Best of the Bolos: Their Finest Hour cover ==<br />
<br />
Hi, minor question, does the cover for your copy of The Best of the Bolos: Their Finest Hour look like the current Amazon link [https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51vMtBHLLoL.jpg]? Mine (same isbn, first printing) has a BAEN logon in the top left corner and a blurb printed over the lower left. Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] 23:57, 12 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Sorry about the delay. No, it does not. I'll scan mine. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 18:01, 20 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Replaced it with [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/7/71/BLSTHRFNST2010.jpg] --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 18:17, 20 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] 17:58, 24 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Star Trek 10 ==<br />
<br />
Added link to image to your verified pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?284821 here]. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 22:28, 7 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== MediaWiki (Again) ==<br />
<br />
So I've been working on a modern LAMP stack, and as of this weekend Ahasuerus and I have the result up and running at isfdb2.org. Current versions are:<br />
<br />
* Linux: 4.18.0-240.15.1.el8_3.x86_64 x86_64<br />
* Apache: Apache/2.4.37 (AlmaLinux)<br />
* MySQL: 8.0.26<br />
* Python: 2.7.18<br />
<br />
There is no MediaWiki installed, but we have the full MySQL backup running there, meaning all the current MediaWiki tables are present. So this is a slightly different situation than upgrading MediaWiki on the isfdb live server, given that (simplistically), we just drop down the latest version of MediaWiki, run some magic upgrade script, and then... do something about the add-ons.<br />
<br />
So what are your suggested steps for upgrading in this case? We can afford to experiment at the staging site, since we can simply re-read in the database dump if things go askew. [[User:Alvonruff|Alvonruff]] 20:48, 8 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:I think all you need to do is put down the latest MediaWiki (or whatever version you want to run) and extensions that are being used, copy the current installation's LocalSettings.php into it, update some of the things in LocalSettings.php to work the new (incompatible) way, and then run update.php to convert the database. I know some of skin-type stuff has changed, and they changed the way you load extensions. There may also be some new variables, but I don't remember off the top of my head. I followed [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading#Adapt_your_LocalSettings.php this documentation] and had remarkably good results. If you could use some help, let me know. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:05, 9 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:: A quick reminder: an earlier review discovered that scripts/wikitrim.py wouldn't work with modern versions of MediaWiki due to a change in the table layout. Granted, we only run wikitrim when we need to reclaim disk space, so it won't be needed if and when we move to a server with more disk space. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 12:31, 9 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:::The current MediaWiki has a deleteOldRevisions.php maintenance script that purges all but the latest revision of a list of pages (or all pages). It could probably be adapted to keep a few more revisions. You then run purgeOldText.php (a wrapper for purgeRedundantText() in Maintenance.php) to get rid of of the orphaned text, which shouldn't need any change. If disk space is an issue, you could also look at turning on compression. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 13:53, 9 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:::: Oh, [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Reduce_size_of_the_database I see]. Yes, $wgCompressRevisions and/or deleteOldRevisions.php would help address the issue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:40, 9 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Wind's Twelve Quarters 3rd printing ==<br />
<br />
Based on the printing history on the 4th printing copyright page [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?587854 here], I'd like to change the date on the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?298777 3rd printing] to 1977-09-00 and add a source note. Would that be a problem? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 06:57, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:No, not at all. Perfect. Nice find! --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 08:15, 26 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Secret Texts ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?236593 Vengeance of Dragons], would you mind if I add the map on page [xii] to the titles? <br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?162031 Courage of Falcons], would you mind if I change the page count to xxiii+433 and add the map on page [xii] to the titles? <br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:30, 28 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:No objection. Feel free. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 18:30, 31 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Houndstooth ==<br />
<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?282244; I added OL ID and also replaced the unstable Amazon cover with OL cover, which is a bit sharper. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:22, 9 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Adult Fantasy: Volume II ==<br />
<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15933; I replaced Amazon cover with Bookscans. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:36, 13 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Bloodsongs ==<br />
<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?5049; Current cover is small and unstable; you may want to replace it with OL cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:26, 20 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:Did that. Thanks for the suggestion. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:22, 20 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Time Echo ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251200; While adding the few Arcadia House SF books on Archive.org in edits (most of them they have are westerns, mysteries and nurse novels) this one came up because it has the publisher's name on the copyright page. I added the Archive link but you may want to replace the now unstable cover with another one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:07, 4 November 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Barker's In the Flesh ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5511919; I replaced the unstable "G" image with another Amazon image that's stable and looks better; OK? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:55, 15 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Looks good, thanks. I accepted the submission. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:11, 19 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Orbit One ==<br />
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I have added the cover artist to both the Macfadden & Uni Book version (Jack Faragasso) the art can be found here www.liveauctioneers.com/item/66375301_jack-faragasso-american-b1929-orbit-time [[User:Aardvark7|aardvark7]] ([[User talk:Aardvark7|talk]]) 13:29, 18 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks. I accepted both of the related submissions. When you discover something like this and add the credit, you should record the source in the Pub Notes, not just in notes to the moderator (unless you happen to see it is on the publication itself). The source for any piece of information that is not on/in the publication should be documented in the notes. I took the information you gave and added it to the notes for each pub. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:18, 19 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Baynes Illustrations for Tolkien ==<br />
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Hi MartyD<br />
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I'm holding two submissions [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5475700 here] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5475701 here]. These would replace the single INTERIORART record for our mutually verified ''Smith of Wooten Major & Farmer Giles of Ham'' withe separate INTERIORART records for the illustrations from the separate publications of the two stories. If I were the sole verifier, I would approve these, but I'm actually ambivalent about the change. Do you have an opinion on whether these edits should be approved or rejected? I'm leaving the same note on all the active verifiers page and will follow up if we have a disagreement on what to do. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:22, 5 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry, some family things had me out of town for a few days.... That's funny, I have a like pair of submissions [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5475729 here] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5475730 here] for the same change to a different edition (where I am sole verifier) on hold because I wanted to go dig out the book and take a look at what's actually in it. I don't care much one way or the other, but I wanted to double-check that there are indeed separate illustrations for each story and that the two artists were each solely responsible for the respective art. If that is the case, the change is fine with me. If you have already checked, go for it. I will try to dig the books up sometime today. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:36, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::I took a look, and it seems ok to me. I was thinking it's more one set of illustrations across the entire book, but you can see the styles are different. '''Smith of Wootton Major''' has fewer, large full-page illustrations, while '''Farmer Giles of Ham''' has many small illustrations embedded in the text. So I am good with splitting if that's what consensus wants to do. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 06:44, 10 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::I'm going to go ahead and approve the edits. There is a [https://archive.org/details/smithofwoottonma1975tolk partial scan] of a 1978 standalone edition of SWM where the title page matches ours. There is also a [https://archive.org/details/farmergilesofham0000tolk full scan] of FGH included in a different collection in 1977 and with matching illustrations. While these are later printings, they all bear the same original copyright dates. These aren't definitive proof, but do suggest that the illustrations are the same as the original standalone publications. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:43, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Asimov - I, Robot - by Fawcett Crest ==<br />
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Hello Marty, re your {{P|284262|PV here}}, this is just a heads-up to point to my discussion with Tom [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Taweiss#Asimov_-_I.2C_Robot Taweiss] regarding Fawcett covers and this {{P|205285|1970 printing}}. You might find something there for yours. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 00:54, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Thanks. Commented there. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:36, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Podkayne of Mars ==<br />
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I have an [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?420964 earlier edition] than your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?263664 Podkayne of Mars] with the same cover. Mine differs from the listed entry in having the author credit on the title page as "Robert Heinlein" rather than "Robert A. Heinlein". None of the PV's are available, but I wondered if your later printing suffered the same problem. How is the author listed on the title page for your copy? P.S. I've asked all three of the active PVs. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 22:19, 24 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Sorry for the delay. Needed to do a bit of excavation. Mine indeed has "Robert Heinlein" on the title page (as well as front and spine). The only "A." is on the copyright statement. I can only plead brain cramp. I will fix the record for mine. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:29, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::I have fixed this up for the third printing. Based on what you said, I made the date on the variant be 1964-04-00. I assume you will be updating the record for the first printing, but if you'd rather I did it, let me know -- it takes a couple of submissions to switch out the title. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:46, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::Thanks for checking. I think I got mine done (self-moderated) correctly. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 15:57, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Defining "Published" ==<br />
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A quick heads-up since you participated in [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Defining_.22Published.22 this Rules and Standards discussion back in February]: a new version of the proposed Policy update [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#2023-04-30_version has been posted] and is available for review/discussion. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:30, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Deathstone ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38205; I was doing some Ken Eulo edits and you PV 2 of them back in '09; this one has an unstable "G" image, not a thing back then, so if you'd like to replace it with a modern stable image that would be great. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:38, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Element of Doubt ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5713109; I added to your entry in case you want to approve it before someone else sees it and decides to do the same. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:47, 8 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Oh, nice find! Thanks! --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:49, 8 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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==SciFiwise magazine stories not merged==<br />
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Hello, you recently approved my entry for SciFiwise magazine May 2023. I just reviewed everything, and I found that every story in the magazine (they are all reprints) now has two separate entries, one entry for all its past publications, and one for its publication in SciFiwise magazine. An example of this is Kris Rusch's story "The Observer". Its SciFiwise publication page is here: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3203792 and its other publications are all recorded here: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?916068<br />
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This is just one example, every story contained in the SciFiwise Magazine May 2023 isfdb record is like this.<br />
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My questions are (1) do these kind of things eventually get merged. and (2) Did I do anything wrong when I entered the data that caused this? I naively thought that if I was careful to match title, author, and date of publication then isfdb would figure out the story publication is a reprint that should be listed along with other printings. Was there some field I should have filled out to make this work, but somehow missed?<br />
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I ask because I am planning to start submitting the April, May, and June SciFiwise magazines, and those stories are also reprints. So if I did something wrong, I'd like to correct the error in future submisions.<br />
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Thanks in advance for any help you can provide! [[User:Petersdrang|Petersdrang]] ([[User talk:Petersdrang|talk]]) 12:43, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Sorry, poor moderatorship on my part. If a publication is created with all of the contents entered from scratch (which is fine and normal), after the submission is accepted, someone has to run Check for Duplicate Titles (available in the Editing Tools section of the navigation menu when viewing the publication record) and merge any of the newly-created content titles with existing title records for the same work. Since you can't do that until after acceptance, the accepting moderator will normally do it (and I will go do that now), although anyone can do it -- merging is a moderated action, just like most other edits, so you can't hurt anything by proposing a merge. To avoid the merge process, an alternative approach for a publication with not-original contents is to supply just any original contents on the initial submission and, after that is accepted, use Import Content (also in Editing Tools when viewing the publication) to bring in the existing title records. If you want to bring in only a couple of titles, or if you want to bring in a bunch of titles that come from only one or two publications, Import Content works well. But since you have to do one import submission per title or per other-publication, it is rather tedious if you have many titles from many other publications to bring in. Check-for-Duplicates after the fact and submitting the individual merges is easier in that case.<br />
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:Not relevant to your situation, one other option is Clone This Pub. If you have a new publication with a lot of contents similar to another publication's, you can clone it, which makes you a new publication that will include all of the other publication's contents. You can add more at submission time, and after the submission is accepted you can remove any contents that do not belong.<br />
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: So the TL;DR version of all of that: Sorry, I forgot to merge those titles, and I will go do it now. :) --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:20, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::It should be all set now. I merged the duplicates and made "10^16 to 1" a variant of "10¹⁶ to 1". --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:25, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::p.s. To answer your questions: You did nothing wrong. Unlike author credits, the software does not automatically match-and-merge titles, even if all of the information is the same. You should enter contents exactly as credited in the publication (except normalizing case/punctuation) per the help's instructions. So use the publication's exact title wording and exact author credit. For reprinted works, supply as much of the original publication date as you know, otherwise just leave it blank. The Check For Duplicate Titles operation will match things up whose title wording and author credits are the same. Those can be merged (and during that operation, you can choose which date to keep if they differ). For previously published items where the title wording is different or the author's name is credited differently, we have to make variant titles link titles with differing wording and/or author credit to each other. Depending on what information already exists, that variant process can be anything from easy to mildly complicated. In its simplest form, you find the canonical title, copy its ID or link (as you did above), then go to the newly added title and choose Make This Title a Variant. In there is an option to link it to an existing title, and you paste the ID/link in there and submit. If you run into one of those, just ask and someone will help you. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:41, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks for all your help and the detailed explanation! [[User:Petersdrang|Petersdrang]] ([[User talk:Petersdrang|talk]]) 11:12, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Saberhagen, Zelazny - The Black Throne ==<br />
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Hello Marty, I'm adding Reginald3 ID# to your PV {{P|36105|pub here}}. As I'm adding a lot of Reg3 ID#s, could you let me know if you want to be notified every time I make those edits? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 13:30, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Hi. Thanks for the warning, but adding secondary IDs and/or verification is not something you normally need to notify PVers about. No harm in doing so, of course. You are welcome to add such IDs, or notes about secondary sources, to any of my PVed pubs without notifying me; just make sure the Note to the Moderator says what you did. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 06:58, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for your considerate answer :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:07, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Castle Keeps ==<br />
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Germane to this edition you PV'd: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?244357 I submitted note to moderator: Submitting pub note additions (Berkley Pub. Corp., assumed 1st ed., number on spine), & Goodreads external ID. Cheers. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 03:38, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Taper ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?701440; I have a question about this. My edit adding the price sat around for more than 2 months for some reason until you approved it today; when I added it the guy who wrote the long note hadn't PV the book yet and didn't do so until nearly 2 weeks later. So why exactly wasn't my edit approved back when I made it? It wasn't the usual "you have to check with PV first before making any changes" thing mods always complain about because it wasn't verified yet. So now my note about where I found the price is gone and it looks like PV is solely responsible for adding the price. I suppose it makes more sense since he has an actual copy of the book with the price in it but still. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:00, 9 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Hi. Sorry, I don't know why it would have been sitting there for so long, as the edits were straightforward and there was no PV at the time. As for the note about the price, the notes are meant to document information whose source is not the book itself, not who contributed the information. Since the PV's edit added the price in that later submission, I assume it is on the book itself. If I had left the note you added, it would have implied (at least, to me) that the price came from somewhere other than that book. So I removed it to avoid potential confusion about its source. I did not mean to minimize your research effort or contributions to the record. If you look at the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5708441 Edit History], that your submission provided price, a note regarding provenance, and external ID(s) is documented and preserved. If you think your note should still appear in the record's notes, I'd be happy to restore it with a slightly modified label (e.g., "Price corroborated by:" instead of "Price from:"). Let me know. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:31, 9 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::It's OK, no need to add anything. He has a copy of the actual book so that's more trustworthy than a price from a newspaper, although he oddly mentioned price info twice in the same note. I'm just trying to get all or at least most of my (currently) 1,150 edits to be approved (or at least rejected with good reason) before 10/1 when I resume editing because I plan to add as many horror-related edits as I can during the month of October before hopefully giving up editing on a regular basis. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:01, 9 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Blaedud ==<br />
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I think you've put message to Chavey in the middle instead of at the end of their very long list. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:40, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:No good deed goes unpunished. Thanks, moved it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:46, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:OK. Can I ask if you clicked on my link before you moved it because it was a completely wrong one from another book that I was working on at the same time. Was it Blaedud or was it Stepford when (if) you looked at it? It bothers me that I made such a careless mistake but I'm sure you knew what I was really referring to because I put the right title in the title bar above. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:24, 8 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yes, the link was wrong when I looked at it, but I knew what you were talking about. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:48, 9 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Shadow of the Mutant Master ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=shadow-of-the-mutant&sort=-addeddate; That copy has 152 pages. What does your PV copy say? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:18, 8 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:The disconnect is that these are recorded as magazine issues, rather than as books. The page count rule for magazines is different (see the first bullet of [[Help:Screen:EditPub#Pages|Help:Screen:EditPub#Pages]]; also the instructions in the next bullet about handling cross-issue numbering). For those, the page count is all of the pages, including the covers. So while the last numbered page is 152, the total page count is 164, which matches the scan (and my copy). I don't know why these are recorded as magazines. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:04, 9 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Empire by Orson Scott Card ==<br />
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Added an image for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?219865 your verified pub]. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 22:05, 18 December 2023 (EST)</div>
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<div>{{welcome}} [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:36, 11 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Novel Ideas—Science Fiction ==<br />
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We go by the title page of books, not the cover or copyright page. So even if books in a series look differently because of that, we do not normalize the title to match. <br />
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As it sounds like you may have the book, can you look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4678775 this one] and check what is on the title page? If the two authors are there, I can approve (and we need to update the book as well); if it is not - then you can add notes but we will need to leave the book as is. <br />
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Thanks for the update and welcome again! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:39, 11 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Both books have just Thomsen on the title page. {{unsigned|GlennMcG}}<br />
:: Then I will need to reject the edit. Do you have a handy link to the other book so I can look at it and fix it? Also - if you have the book, had you thought of verifying it? <br />
:: One small operational thing - the plus sign opens a new topic in the Discussion page, if you are responding to an existing one, there is a small "edit" next to the title of the item you are responding to:) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:59, 11 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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Here's the link: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?82007<br />
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Not sure what your verification operation consists of. I'll have to do some more reading on how the site works. {{unsigned|GlennMcG}}<br />
: When you do a primary verification, you are saying "I have the book. All the details listed on this record are as in my book (or I noted the differences in the notes". If you have the book from a library for example, you can do Transient Primary (aka - I checked a real book and the details match - but I do not have the book anymore". When you do a PV (Primary Verification - Transient or Permanent), you will get notified on changes in the record (there is a Changed Primary menu on your page; for big changes people will post here) and if someone wants to change something and you are around, you may be asked if you can check the book again to verify something someone else claims. More details [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:Verify here] and [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_verify_data#Primary_Verification here]. <br />
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: About the book - the look inside into the [https://www.amazon.com/Novel-Ideas-Fantasy-Brian-M-Thomsen-ebook/dp/B002VFPRV4/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=#reader_B002VFPRV4 Kindle book] shows both names on the title page. So looks like we have a difference between the paperback and the ebook? Won't be the first... We can easily change that - would you like to try? I think I may have this book somewhere as well so will see if I can find it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:04, 11 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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It's not clear to me what you're suggesting I try. (Although I'm willing to give it a whirl). {{unsigned|GlennMcG}}<br />
: To submit an update of the authors for the book (as based on what you see on the title page of yours, our record is a bit faulty). Or I can submit it if you prefer? :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:08, 11 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Legends ==<br />
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What is on the title page [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4678651 on this one]? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:59, 11 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Legends - Edited by Margaret Weis with Janet Pack and Robin Crew<br />
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:Earth, Air, Fire, Water - Edited by Margaret Weis with Robyn McGrew and Janet Pack<br />
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:Seems likely to be a typo, but I understand you need rules to prioritize conflicting information.<br />
:In support of it probably being a typo, the acknowledgment page credits Weise, Pack, and Robin McGrew as the copyright owners of the prologue. {{unsigned|GlennMcG}}<br />
:: If the title page says Robin Crew, our record remains like that. But as it is indeed obviously a typo (based on how OCLC had added both books for example and the copyright notes), we variant to the correct author and add a note on the discrepancy. I've done the needed variants and added notes. Thanks for finding this one. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 06:00, 11 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Terribly Twisted Tales ==<br />
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To add the contents to {{P|282222|Terribly Twisted Tales}}, there are two options:<br />
# You can go to the publication page and click "Edit This Pub" in the left menu. In the edit screen, scroll down to the "Regular Titles" section and click the "Add Title" button. This will add a row where you can add the page number, title, author, etc. Repeat for each story. If there are reviews or interviews, enter under their respective sections. When done submit.<br />
# If the stories are already in the database, they can be imported. This is the preferred method (as the above would create duplicates that would then need to be merged), but is more complex. To do this, also go to the publication page, but click "Import Content" in the left menu. In a separate window, find the title record for a story to import. Copy the URL and past into the "Title 1" box under the "Option 2" portion of the import screen. For additional titles, click the plus sign and repeat in Title 2, etc. When done, click the "Import Titles", add the page numbers on the following screen, and submit.<br />
Hope that helps. Let us us know if you have more questions. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:17, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I guess I should have waited longer, but as I couldn't seem to add a question to the 'help' page, I tried re-adding the book as new entry with interior title info.<br />
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:Think I'll wait for more instructions before digging the hole even deeper.<br />
:See http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4682913 <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/GlennMcG|contribs]]) .</small><br />
::No problem. Sometimes we get a little backed up. You can always post at [[ISFDB:Help desk]] which usually gets a faster response. To avoid you having to redo work, I have accepted the new version and deleted the old one. When we have generic titles like Introduction or Foreword, we add the publication title in parenthesis after the title. This is to avoid an author's page being filled with a series of "Introduction" and no easy way to tell them apart. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:35, 15 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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I had tried to ask the question on the help page, but got a write permission error.<br />
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Also, this move lost the cover art linkage from the old record.<br />
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== Please sign your name ==<br />
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Please sign your name on talk pages and discussion boards using four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>); this will insert your name and the date. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:41, 19 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:There is also a button in the toolbar above the edit window (the second to last that looks like a signature) which will insert the syntax so you don't have to type it. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:44, 19 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:00, 19 June 2020 (EDT) Ok<br />
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Although it does seem odd that the site software doesn't sign things auto-magically, as you need to be signed in to play the game. [[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:03, 19 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Edge of Running Water ==<br />
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I accepted {{P|780259|The Edge of Running Water}}, but made a couple of changes:<br />
*Standardized the publisher to Editions for the Armed Services<br />
*Removed Armed Services Editions from the pub series. It is redundant with the publisher and not really a pub series since every book published by this publisher was marked as that.<br />
*Changed the page count to 352. When there is a single unnumbered page after the numbered page, we just include it in the numbered pages. If there were multiple unnumbered pages (say 5, for example), then it would be entered as 352+5.<br />
*Changed the price to $0.00 and moved the text to the pub notes. Prices should be currency symbol and number only. Any explanations go in the notes.<br />
*I added the date based on the catalog id as sourced to Wikipedia.<br />
Thanks for adding this. Regarding your note on adding the cover image: Now that the pub is entered, there is a "Upload cover scan" link below he pub notes. You would use that to upload the scan and then edit the publication to add the resultant link to the scan. There is a link to the help page in the welcome message above. If you have any questions, please let us know. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:57, 26 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Grantville Gazette VII ==<br />
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I accepted the changes to {{P|572601|Grantville Gazette VII}}, but kept the original "By Hook or by Crook". It was easier to edit the title of the existing record to make the capitalization change. Actually, it would have been easier to edit all three titles instead, but as they appear in other verified pubs, we will have to run that by those verifiers. So I accepted for this pub and will have the other verifiers check their pubs. Once confirmed, I will merge or variant as necessary. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:53, 27 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Did you see the response I made in my talk pages? I believe the usual practice is to respond to the question where it is asked. Thanks for spotting the problems. Jack [[User:Sjmathis|Sjmathis]] 08:58, 29 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
::The cover of the paperback version is slightly different that the covers of the HC and TP versions of this book. I had scanned my cover and added it to the ISFDB, but it disappeared when the incorrect book was deleted. If you copy has a clean cover, can you scan it and replace the cover of the PB version? [[User:Sjmathis|Sjmathis]] 10:02, 29 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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Just noticed the "Best Selling" medallion is in a different location. I'll upload a scan. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:29, 29 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks! Much better than my old cover. Jack [[User:Sjmathis|Sjmathis]] 12:26, 4 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The E.S.P. Worm ==<br />
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When changing data in a publication with active primary verifiers, please check with another verifier first. Beyond a courtesy, we have found that this occasionally reveals the existence of a different version (99% of the time it's a database error, but sometimes it's not). I checked with Rtrace and he confirmed your change so I accepted it. I have also unmerged it from the other versions using Robert E. Margroff and created a variant title. Thanks for finding this. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:41, 4 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Castle Fantastic ==<br />
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For {{P|6269|Castle Fantastic}}, I have had to reject your edit. Instead of creating a new title, simply edit publication and change the existing title. This avoids having to remove and delete the old one. When a title is only in a single publication, it can be edited from that publication (it will not be grayed out). Please resubmit with just correcting the existing record. After that is approved, it will show up under {{A|Linda Dunn}} and need to be varianted to {{A|Linda J. Dunn}} (as described with Carolyn Gilman's title on my talk page). From you moderator note, it sounds like you have this pub. Please consider primary verifying it. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:56, 4 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Quest for the Spear ==<br />
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I accepted {{P|68403|Quest for the Spear}}.<br />
*Title: I debated about this. These days, if a publication title is of the format of "Series Name: Book Name" (or vice versa), we only record the book name and leave the series for the series field. However, this was a one off. There were other films, though. I went with it as a series name. If you feel different, let me know and I will reverse it. <br />
*Prologue: Does this stand on its own? Like it would be reprinted elsewhere? If not, we would include it as part of the novel and not list it separately.<br />
*Introduction: Yes, we would normally include essay introductions. If it was a fictional introduction, then it would fall into the same category as the prologue, but an essay gets indexed. As for page number, the preferred method would be to count the unnumbered pages and enter the "page number" in brackets [] to indicate unnumbered. The other choice is to use "bp" to indicate unnumbered pages that precede pagination (this is what I typically do). <br />
Let me know what you think about the title and whether we should remove the prologue. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:57, 6 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:It's fine as a series. I'll remove the prologue, as it's not standalone. (Just late 4th century A.D. setup for modern times). 'bp' seems easier, but what would I use for the first of five pages before page one? [i]? [-4]? [-5]? [1]? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 22:01, 6 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
::I would probably go with [i] as that implies front pages, but you could also go with [1]. The key is to explain the situation in the notes (ex. "Introduction starts on the first of five unnumbered pages before the novel" or something similar). --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:45, 7 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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I tweaked it per your suggestions, but was wondering if there was a way to have the introduction show up before the main novel in the title list.<br />
--[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 02:31, 8 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Use pipe in the page number. [1]|5 will sort as 5 for example. If the page number contains | (pipe), the number after it is used for sorting while the one before it is shown. If there is no pipe, the number is used for both - think of 3 being a short way to write 3|3 for example. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:21, 8 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Steal the Galaxy! ==<br />
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A few small things:<br />
* You do not need <nowiki><br></nowiki> on every line -- we used to but the software changed 10 years or so ago. We just never cleaned up all the old ones (and some editors keep adding them). The first one (on the first line) is the only one that makes sense and any difference (as it will put you under the line that starts with Notes on the pub page)<br />
* The issue of Locus where the book was listed is interesting information and I hate losing it when editors edit. So I restored it here. <br />
See the changes [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?638864 here]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:24, 8 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Enemies of Fortune ==<br />
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Putting "Delete" as the page number will not automatically delete a title - we use that when there are multiple changes in the book so we do not lose track (and if the handling moderator decides to, they can do the Remove) but a change that only changes this is unneeded. What you need to do is to submit a "Remove Titles From This Pub" request instead -- go to the left menu and locate the link for that. For this book, it will open [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/rmtitles.cgi?256791 this]. Select the title you want to remove and submit the removal. <br />
I rejected [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4694544 this]. I can do the Remove or you can try (so you know how to do it next time) :) Let me know if you have any questions. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:28, 9 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I can do that, but when I changed the title the first time following instructions that worked previously it failed this way. (Add replacement title, marking the original to substitute). Am I in this boat because that edit failed to work, and this is the appropriate fixup? Or should I have done it differently in the first place? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:37, 9 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: No, it worked exactly as it was supposed to. You just did not have an invisible helper this time. :) If you want a title out from a publication, someone needs to send a Remove submission - you or the moderator who approved that first edit. When you mark the title as you did initially (with *** or deleted in the page number), you have a 50/50 chance of a moderator simply making the Remove for you silently post approval. <br />
:: Last time it appeared to work because the approving moderator made the Remove Titles submissions after they approved your edit and probably never came to tell you that there is one more step to be done in such cases (which they had done). With new editors, we all try to shield them a bit from the more complicated and annoying parts of the DB so we will do a lot of additional submissions and fixes post approval. I usually would still stop by and explain what I had to do in addition to the already done but... Some moderators will, some won't - depends on how busy one is and sometimes depends on how concentrated one is. Hope that makes sense. <br />
:: PS: Do not submit Remove in parallel to Pub Edit -- if the Remove is approved first, the Pub Edit will fail. As it is a 2 step process, I tend to assist and make the Remove when I approve such edits - you did the work of marking it, I can as well make the other submission when I do not get distracted. But different moderators work differently. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:12, 9 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: So, basically double check all my approved edits, and finish up what doesn't happen auto-magically by editor. :) --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:16, 9 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Yep. Plus this also allows you to spot other things you missed the first time. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:19, 9 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Forge of Virtue ==<br />
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Another little tip: When a submission is approved, the "old" data is lost. So when adding notes in the cases when there is a PV already such as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4695002 here] instead of stating the obvious "Notes update pre-PVing" which is as good as not adding a note at all, list the changes you are making ("copyright, number line, first printing added" for example). This way someone looking at the history can see what data was verified when. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:34, 9 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure. I thought I read somewhere that the note to the moderator wasn't retained, and therefore wouldn't show up in history. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:39, 9 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: It is not retained as part of the title/publication record itself but if you go to the submission itself (via History (this feature is very new), "My Changed Primary" (a few years old - and which is how now we do not require you to post on every PV page every time you touch a PV-ed publication - which used to be the rule before) or via the Recent Edits), it is there on the submission. :) So you should not put important information there but stuff like "what changed" belongs there. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:50, 9 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Will do. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:52, 9 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Patricia Mathews ==<br />
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You started off correctly editing the parent entries and then veered into editing the variant entries (which is incorrect). I accepted the couple correct ones, but will be rejecting all of the incorrect ones. I will explain the difference in a minute, but want to post this message now as you are continuing to make edits that will need to be rejected. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:14, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I know where I went off the rails. I'll start up again when you give the word. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:17, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
::I typed the following before seeing your response so am going to go ahead and post it just in case: Titles should be credited as per the publication. If the publication uses a non-canonical name for an author, we variant the title to the canonical name. The variant will have the credit used in the publication and the parent will have the canonical author name. To fix these stories, the '''''parent''''' needs to be edited so that the variant keeps the form used in the publication and the parent shows up under the canonical author's page. Most of your submission have been changing the '''''variant''''' which means you are changing the form used in the publication and still leaving it under the {{A|Patricia Matthews}} author's page. I will leave the edits on hold for now. If you click on "My Pending Edits", you will see what you were changing. From there you can go to the parent record and edit it instead. That may make it easier so you don't have re-research each one. When you are done, you can either cancel your held edits or I will reject them. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:29, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:I'm cancelling now, and will edit the parents. It turns out I can't find any entries that make sense for 'Patricia Matthews'. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:31, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I've edited a parent. When approved, I'll follow suit for the others. Sorry about the extra work for you. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:36, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Approved. It's part of the learning process of how things work here, so no problems. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:40, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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"There Is Always an Alternative" is an interesting case as there is publication under the parent title as well. The data for publication that comes from secondary sources. I will check into it and see if that credit is correct or not. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:01, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:It should have been one "t" as well. Fixed. Thanks for finding these. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 21:18, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Blood Song ==<br />
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I approved your edit to {{P|355301|Blood Song}}. However, you left the prior "Data from Amazon (date) and Locus Magazine #608 as of 2012-09-08" statement, but you primary verified it. When a publication is primary verified, the expectation is that the data is from the publication iteself. If any information in a primary verified publication comes from secondary sources, than it should explicitly state which information (ex. "Cover artist not credited. Cover artist from artist's website."). The statement should either be removed or edited. If the date is Amazon than it should say "Date from Amazon as of ...", but the way it is written says the date is from Amazon and the rest of the information from Locus. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:45, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Same with {{P|462375|To Dance with the Devil}}. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:46, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:: Hmmm. I read "Data from Amazon (date) and Locus Magazine #608 as of 2012-09-08." as the entry was created with data from both Amazon(the date), and the rest from Locus, on 2012-09-08. The date in the entry (from Amazon) is more specific than the year/month on the copyright page. Perhaps something like:<br />
::* Exact publication date from Amazon<br />
::* Listed in Locus #608<br />
::* my stuff<br />
::<small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/GlennMcG|contribs]]) .</small><br />
:::Looks good. Approved. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:46, 10 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Castaways in Time ==<br />
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You managed to double verify {{P|6252|Castaways in Time}}. Not a big deal, but you may want to remove one. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:26, 11 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: How would one do that? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:51, 11 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Lol. That's a good question. You could probably unverify (which would hopefully remove both) and reverify. But now that I think about it, it shouldn't be possible to get in that state the way the GUI works these days. I will point Ahasuerus to this discussion in case there is a bug he would want to look into. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:35, 11 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Yeah, I don't see a way to modify/remove verifications in any way. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 17:43, 11 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
::To remove or change a verification, click on "Verify This Pub" this pub again. If you have already verified it, the options will now be "No verification" and "Transient verification" (assuming you permanently verified it). This allows undoing a mistaken verification or changing the status of a verification (in case you are downsizing your collection or have bought a book you previously transient verified). --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:06, 11 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Done. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:09, 11 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Nightshifted ==<br />
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I'm holding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4696564 this edit]. It looks like you cloned the second printing to create the first? We already have the {{P|380940|first printing}}. Am I missing something? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:50, 13 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Yep, must have missed it somehow. I'll cancel the edit, and PV the 1st printing. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:02, 13 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Dark Remains ==<br />
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For {{P|37945|The Dark Remains}} & other recent additions, you added a note of "Maps by Karen Wallace". Is there a reason you just didn't add the maps as interior art? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:16, 16 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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Because I didn't know that was appropriate. What would you like me to do? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 20:06, 16 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:We generally include them so I'd add them. They are entered as interior art. For title, 1) if the map has title "Given Title (map)"; 2) if the map is not titled, "Book Title (map)"; and if the same map is used in multiple books of the series and is not titled, you could use "Series Title (map)". If there are multiple maps, than use "maps" instead of "map" in the parenthesis. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 21:02, 16 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Replacing cover images ==<br />
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When replacing cover images that are already on the wiki, please don't upload at a new location. Instead, upload over the existing image. To do that, go to the image page (example [[:Image:THRGHTHCTK1992.jpg]]) and use the "Upload a new version of this file" at the bottom of the page. It will warn you that are overwriting an existing image, but just go ahead. If someone else uploaded the prior image, edit the image page after uploading and change the name in the source field to your user name. You will not need to re-edit the publication entry as it will already be linked. However, due to a bug with our wiki software, your browser may not show the new image unless you force a cache refresh (typically a shift F5). This avoids unused & duplicate images on the wiki. <br />
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For {{P|THRGHTHCTK1992|Through the Ice}}, I moved the image you uploaded at [[:Image:THRGHTHCTK1992-2.jpg]] over to [[:Image:THRGHTHCTK1992.jpg]] and deleted the former. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:07, 17 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I was concerned that if I used the same name it would overwrite the old image, and make it impossible to refuse the edit. So this is a function that is not moderated? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:11, 17 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Correct. Image uploading is not moderated. But we do pay attention to it so if something goes wrong, it can be fixed. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:52, 17 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Ancient One ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4703666 this submission]: Is this 6th printing actually listed in Locus with the specified printing date? Or when cloning {{P|262496|this record}} did the date and note not get removed? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:16, 26 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I missed removing the Locus reference in the cloning process. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:02, 26 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Approved & removed. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:03, 26 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Kisssing Sin (excerpt) ==<br />
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In {{P|96661|Tempting Evil}}, should be the second excerpt be "Kissing Sin" (two s's) instead of the current three s's? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:26, 30 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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Although 3 times is a charm, 2 is the right call here. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:13, 30 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Changed. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:02, 30 July 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Survival ==<br />
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For {{P|687731|Survival}}, I accepted the edit, but changed the date to match the publication statement. Per the current rules ([[:Template:PublicationFields:Year]], last bullet), we use the date listed in the publication as the official date. If a secondary source provides a more precise date, it is acceptable to refine the precision (ex. add a day to a year & month only). If a secondary source contradicts the publication, we still use the publication's date and the secondary source information can go into the pub notes. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:17, 2 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Got it. I think I was intuiting a more numeric approach to approximations, but understand the rationale. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:56, 2 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Iorich ==<br />
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Hello. I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4714399 your update submission] on hold, as I suspect that you inadvertently updated the wrong record. There's a mass market record already available [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?651379 here], PV'd by Taweiss. You may want to cancel your submission, remove your PV from the 2010 record, and PV the latter instead. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 06:41, 6 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Done. In some ways, I wonder whether the 2010 pb existed at all. I actively collect Brust and would have picked up then, rather than waiting until 2018 to grab it. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:04, 6 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Looking at the date of the addition to the site and the date of the book (it is added 2 and a half months before the pub date), it won't surprise me if it was announced but never made it out indeed. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:10, 7 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Adding an interview to the contents ==<br />
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Hello. You added in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4714801 this submission] an interview as an essay, with both the interviewee (Robert Buettner) as well as the interviewer (uncredited) as authors. Better is to have this entered as an actual INTERVIEW record - unless of course Robert Buettner happens to be the actual ''author'' of the interview? Let me know if you would want to change the title from ESSAY to INTERVIEW yourself, or if you prefer I do that for you. I've put the submission on hold for the moment. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 07:55, 6 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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I'll submit another edit and cancel the first. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:31, 6 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Gotcha when changing pub titles ==<br />
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Hi. If you decide to change a publication's title, a subtle gotcha is that usually the associated COVERART record was created using the same title used when the pub was created. It does not automatically get changed after that, so a second edit is required to fix it up as well. I did this for {{T|2755158|The Witch War Cycle}}. Just something to keep in mind for the future. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 09:19, 8 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:There's no image on the book that you linked now. But I can't remember if it had one before. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:50, 8 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: No image does not mean no Cover Art record - which is what Marty is talking about. :) When a new book is added, the title and the publication title are the same and so is the cover art title of a cover artist is added. Once created, they become 3 separate records - and they all usually need adjustment when you are changing one of them. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:07, 8 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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I tried with another rename and it's closer, but still an issue. I changed title and cover art in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4720071], but when I link back through the cover it points at a parent with a title that doesn't exist. How do I unvariant the cover art? [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2755637] goes to http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2755639, which shouldn't exist. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:31, 8 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:The parent needs to exist as the pub artist credit is "Ken W. Kelly", but our canonical name for that artist is "Ken Kelly". Instead of unvarianting, you need to edit the parent. Go to that last link, click the edit button in the top right, and change the name to match the pub. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:55, 8 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Got it. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 21:08, 8 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Carson of Venus'' omnibus price ==<br />
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Hi. In your submission for ''Carson of Venus: Volume 1'', you give a price of $0.00, but then the notes say it is POD and prices vary, which is different from a $0.00 price. Which is correct? I think if the price is varying, we'd leave the price field blank. We do have free publications where the price is literally zero. No need to do anything: I will adjust on acceptance according to whatever you say. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:01, 9 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Sorry, missed this one. Blank is fine for price. I thought I had seen bibliographic warnings for missing price and thought $0.00 would suppress them. The old null vs empty-string conundrum. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:47, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::It will, unfortunately, show a warning, but we don't have a special non-price price value. Maybe someday. :-) Anyway, it's accepted and updated. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 17:52, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: If it is a US only book (aka all prices are in $), I would put $ instead of a blank field. It deals with the warning (see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2714526 for an example] and it does show the country the book belongs to (which for languages with multiple countries is a good and useful data point) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:12, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::I've seen US and UK prices for books in different volumes of this POD series. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:23, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::: Then we are stuck with empty for this one. But keep that in mind for other cases :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:28, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::Would '$£' be legal? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:34, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::: I think it will get flagged and fixed after that. Just leave it empty for now. :( [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:27, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== ''At the Earth's Core'', et al, omnibus ==<br />
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Hi. For this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4719397 submission], I have two questions:<br />
# The ISBN of 0486201510 is flagged as invalid. Would you double-check?<br />
# Our standard for naming omnibuses (omnibi?) when they are not specifically titled is to use the titles of the collected works, separated by slashes and spaces. See the second sub-bullet in [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Title]]. So if the omnibus you have just lists the three titles, we would use ''At the Earth's Core / Pellucidar / Tanar of Pellucidar'' instead of ''At the Earth's Core: Pellucidar: Tanar of Pellucidar''.<br />
Let me know, and I will adjust. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 07:28, 9 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I've created another 'newPub' and will cancel the old. (I didn't notice your offer to replace in time, and I have more info this go round, anyways). The ISBN is funny, as it's written with transposed digits on the rear cover, which I copied, but correct on spine and copyright page. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:39, 9 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:: Always good to mention that ISBN funny thinghy in the notes, too :) Cheers! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 10:12, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Done. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:51, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::::Yeah. If it appears in multiple places and any one of them is correct, we take that one as "the" ISBN and note where we got it and the discrepancy with the others. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 17:41, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:::::And correct just means passes checksum algorithm. No convenient way to determine if it's the 'right' ISBN. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:25, 10 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Claimed by Shadow ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Can you check again the OCLC number [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?786841 here]? I do not see anything in OCLC indicating that this is a record for the second printing. OCLC adds some later printings and the OCLC numbers we add should be for the correct printing, not generic records. In the very least a note explaining that the OCLC record is for an unclear printing needs to be added. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:31, 13 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Just remove it, or I can. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 05:42, 13 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: If you had not yet, I will. Sorry - went to bed last night so did not see this :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:19, 13 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: I moved it. If you decide to remove it completely, go away and remove the line I added - especially with a PV, it can go away (if there is no PV, I would leave it this way as OCLC has page numbers and stuff like that). :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:24, 13 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: I think the root problem is that I don't know when it's appropriate to check 'reuse external IDs' when cloning a publication for a different printing. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:20, 13 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Personally, I almost always uncheck this one -- if I need to re-add some from the original, I do it while editing the clone. My exception is for non-English books usually - for example FantLab keeps single record for all reprints of an edition -- so this record goes on all of our records. OCLC for Russian books also does not care much about printings. <br />
::: When it comes down to US books, OCLC tends to keep separate records for printings (not all of printings have it), DNB does the same for German for example (so having the same DNB record for two printings is almost unheard of). LCCN has the first printing(and sometimes later when it is very different but still called printing because... publishers... ) so my rule is to usually just add on the first printing and just note it on the rest but other people do it differently for LCCN (as unlike OCLC, printings and other formats usually will not be issued a new LCCN). Goodreads is rarely per printing unless the cover changes - then they will have both records - but they usually have a date on the record which ties to a printing in most cases. It is a thin line sometimes -- and you will see more than one practice being used. <br />
::: Hope this makes some sense. Just trust your instincts - if you are looking for information about this specific printing/edition, does this external ID actually describe it and with library sources (OCLC, BL, BNF, DNB, PORBASE and so on), if a book is pulled based on this record, will it be the one you are holding? This is why we allow the templating inside of the notes (what I did when I edited) - so you can note additional records that are related but not exactly matching (but that can add information if the actual version does not have a record) - you won't add these if there an exact one unless it has a lot of relevant information but they are useful in cases such as OCLC having a single record for a series or just records for other printings and so on. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:42, 13 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Earthborn ==<br />
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Hello. I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4721227 your submission] on hold for a moment, as it would be best to ask Holmesd if he's OK to remove the publication date of this 4th printing. He may recall why he has left a publication date of 1996-05-00 for this one. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:40, 13 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I asked, and (s)he's ok with it. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:59, 14 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: And approved! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 03:01, 17 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Grimes at the Great Race ==<br />
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In [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4727163 this edit], the proposed new parent is an exact match of the existing record. What are you trying to achieve? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:20, 15 August 2020 (EDT)'<br />
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:It was supposed to point at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?43424]. ('at' a variant of 'and').--[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:03, 15 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::To do that you need to use the Option 1 section of the variant screen. In the Parent # box, you would place the title number (it will actual accept the whole URL to make copy and pasting easier) of the desired parent. When you use the Option 2 section, you are creating a new record. I've rejected the edit and will let you re-submit the correct form. Let me know if my instructions were not clear. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:20, 15 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Upon a Sea of Stars ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4727210 this edit], does the publication:<br />
# have the novel or does it have the original short stories? <br />
# have the collection itself or does it have the stories from the collection?<br />
Only what is actually in the publication should be listed. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:22, 15 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:#Yes. The novel, and the components are listed in TOC, and each have separate title pages.<br />
:#Yes. Same for the collection.<br />
:--[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:08, 15 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::It seems unlikely that the novel would fit in 2 pages. Is it really the novel + the novelettes (in other words the full novel plus the repetition of the individual stories that were combined to make the novel) or the novel is formed of chapters that are the same as the novelettes? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:14, 15 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::It's nested, like the TOC, which is formatted as an outline.<br />
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:::#title page of novel<br />
:::#dedication page of novel<br />
:::#title page of first component and initial text<br />
:::#more pages of component #1<br />
:::#title page of 2nd compononent and initial text<br />
:::#more pages of component #2<br />
:::etc --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:21, 15 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::Approved. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:27, 15 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Imperial Earth & The Wind from the Sun ==<br />
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Hello. To answer your question ''Don't know if I'm supposed to add '[verified]' to my G39 printing.'' in your submission [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4738029 here]: No. Since the ISFDB records all distinct printings, I suggest you create a new record by cloning the G10 printing and make it your G39 printing, that you can then verify. Btw, is your G39 printing also an SFBC? (note that I'm not an expert on these kind of printing designations and SFBC, so you may want to consult other moderators that can chime in with their thoughts on the matter, but the basic rule is 'if it's a different printing, then it's a different pub record...).<br />
Same for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4738033 this one], I think. As far as I can deduce, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?194077 this record] is for the first printing (D1). Is your G20 printing a SFBC edition too, or a regular one? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 13:42, 26 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: There are special rules for entering SFBC editions. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_enter_a_SFBC_publication]. One record for all printings. It's just that the instructions don't mention how to use the 'verified' tag when describing the gutter code. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:02, 26 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Yep - SFBC is a bit special on this regard - unless the cover or the ISBN or the SFBC number changes or something else, we don't separate printings here (these indicate something closer to batches and not printings basically). The usual way is to specify that PV2 has gutter code XX, PV3 has gutter code YY and so on -- I like adding the name of the editor as well, especially if it is not PV1 (in case someone pulls their verification - the old system had exact numbers, this one does not). Alternatively just listing them all in a list also works. That can change at some point but I prefer the system as is quite honestly... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:39, 26 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
: I haven't seen linkages to PVers in any of the few dozen i've PVed. Just an occasional 'verified' after the gutter code. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:45, 26 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Some do, some don't. We have other cases with gutter codes which serve as batch differentiators only. The Verified means someone saw that code (aka it is not just from an online source) and decided to mark it that way because they also added some of the others; adding a name helps track down details if it gets to that. Do whatever feels comfortable - I tend to like more information than less. Different editors, different styles. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:50, 26 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Hmmm, I not necessarily agree with bunching all SFBC printings (don't understand what the difference between print runs & batches really is, especially since it seems that gutter code identifies which batch/printing it is about) into a single pub record, but I'll approve the few records I have on hold (as they conform to the current practice). Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 05:28, 27 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Motor-Boat, Motor-Cycle ==<br />
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I noticed that you corrected some pub titles of both Tom Swift novels. However, you didn't change the contents title accordingly. Having done a cursory check on Motor-Boat, I notice that virtually all (if not all?) publications have the hyphen on their title page. Would you think that it is a correct assumption that all existing records must be updated? So, shouldn't we change all pub and title records to the hyphen variant? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:34, 27 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:At a minimum, at least all the facsimile Applewood publications should match. I missed one, and have entered an edit. Beyond that, I don't see how you're seeing title page info on the others. Now, we could change the title record to have the dash, as then it would match the original (facsimile) edition. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:19, 27 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Well, for a few of the others I did check LookInside on Amazon (for what that's worth), and these showed the dash as well. If we're not going to touch the other ones, and only the facsimile ones, we'll have to create a new title record (not change the existing one, otherwise you'll end up changing the title record for all other pubs as well), and then either variant the one with the dash to the one without (or the other way around, depends on which one's older will be the parent). Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:57, 27 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::I'm new at this and am happy to take direction from those with a more seasoned opinions. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 17:40, 27 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Knight Life ==<br />
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Hi Glenn, I've accepted your edit to change the publisher of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19638 Knight Life] from Ace Books to Ace Fantasy Books. A quick heads up: you may not know we have a protocol to advise other Primary Verifiers of proposed changes to their verified publications, and this book would be a case in point before submitting the edit. However as you can see, the other verifiers have not shown their faces around these parts for some time (the most recent being March this year), and we shouldn't let your edit to remain unapproved in perpetuity. Please just leave a message on their Talk pages that your edit has gone ahead in lieu of their long absence. Thanks! [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] 04:01, 31 August 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== A Breach in the Heavens ==<br />
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For {{P|680059|A Breach in the Heavens}}, the notes have "This edition has US, UK and Canadian prices". It would be good to include the UK and Canadian prices in that note. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:52, 2 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Done (Although, I did inherit that part of the note). --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 21:20, 2 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Crippled Angel ==<br />
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Just a quick note. Excerpts get the publication date from the publication they appear in, not the pub date of the original publication (which I guess you've done for 'Druid's Sword (excerpt)' ?). I've updated this excerpt you've added to {{p|359734|The Crippled Angel}} from 2006-05-00 to 2006-08-00. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:44, 5 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks! That makes it easier to deal adding excerpts. My (apparently bad) intuition was that it would be more like a title, than a publication. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 17:26, 5 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Well, it's a title all right, but one that happens to be published together with the book it appears in. Look at it this way: excerpts are titles in their own right and are, in a way, unrelated to the work they're an excerpt from - much like short stories, really. If you look at excerpts this way, it's easy to see why they receive the date of the pub they appear in. Hope that helps? Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:02, 6 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:If it were like a real short story, the date would be when the short was first published, not when the collection or anthology it's printing in was. But nevertheless, I understand the process now. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:39, 6 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Yes, exactly so. But unless we know when this exact same excerpt was first published, we have to stick with what we know; ie the date of the publication at hand :) And by the way, thanks for your contributions! Most appreciated! Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:49, 6 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Ark Liberty ==<br />
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I've added cover art credit to {{P|264314|Ark Liberty}} since that artwork is featured on page 15 of David Mattingly's artbook Alternate Views, Alternate Universes (the signature is hidden under the publisher's red bar). [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 17:28, 15 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Asimov's The Rest of the Robots ==<br />
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I've started a [[ISFDB:Community Portal#Asimov's The Rest of the Robots|discussion]] on the Community Portal regarding some changes I'd like to make to the publications of Asimov's ''The Rest of the Robots''. Since you verified a copy, please weigh in there and let me know your opinion on the proposed changes. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:25, 15 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Yaril's Children ==<br />
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I added cover art credit to {{P|55659|Yaril's Children}} with some notes. [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 21:47, 15 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Ride the Star Winds ==<br />
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I'm trying to change the cover artist credit for {{P|376546|Ride the Star Winds}} -- the book itself (and the amazon look inside) says cover art by Stephen Hickman, but the art appears on Alan Pollack's website (under Science Fiction) and I pm'd Steve on FB and he says that isn't his art! [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 14:15, 16 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Up Jim River ==<br />
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Re {{P|338622|Up Jim River}}: Is there a reason to not include the maps (as by uncredited) in the contents? I recognize the pub note predates your edit, but if there is maps, we would generally include in the contents and you are the only active verifier at this point. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:20, 19 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Having someone to credit is one the factors I use when determining what to add while editing. However, I can go back and add the maps. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:17, 19 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Knight Life number line ==<br />
<br />
I see that you recently added a note to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19638 Knight Life]'' indicating that it is a first printing noted by a number line. My copy has no number line. Could I get you to take a second look. If yours really does have a number line, then I would surmise that we have two different variants. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:58, 20 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:You're right, there's no number line. Not sure why I entered it that way, other than I screwed up. Edit entered to remove the number line. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:23, 20 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Tales from Not Long for This World ==<br />
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I'm going to make some changes to our mutually verified copy of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?177297 Tales from Not Long for This World]''. The title of the publication is currently listed as "Not Long for This World (abridged)" and there is a note stating "The title on the cover is preceded by 'Tales from' but not on the title page." This statement is not correct. The title page does have the words "Tales from" appearing in a smaller font above the rest of the title. I suspect that with the title depicted in negative space and the size of the font that whoever added that comment must have missed it. In any case, I'm going to alter the title and the note. I also intend to add at least one external id. Please let me know if you have any concerns. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:11, 21 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Cat*A*Lyst ==<br />
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I approved your submission for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6369 Cat*A*Lyst], but you need to now variant that title with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3428 Cat-A-Lyst], or be sure to merge it with other versions of the pub with the new title. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 15:46, 26 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
: You should probably further investigate which other pub records need to updated to the 'dotted' spelling of the title and merge/variant as needed. And by the way, the pub record now has two coverart title records too... [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:31, 26 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
I'm trying to figure out an order to attack this in. I removed the 2nd cover, and did an edit for the Canadian pb. Would it make sense to edit the title record, as I believe that most of the pubs will end up with dots? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 17:12, 26 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Depends. If you can establish that the vast majority of pubs have the dot-title, then yes, you could do that and then unmerge the few that are with a dash. Seems to me the first thing to establish is which pubs have a dot-title... Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 15:58, 27 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
Hmmm. 5 dots, 4 dashes, and 1 neither. I am tempted to change the main title to dots, as that would match the first appearance of the title as well. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:13, 27 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:All my edits went through, and now I'm not sure if I'm done or not. Is all right the way it is, or are there further steps? Should there be a variant title? I'm not quite sure what would be expected here. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:37, 29 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: If you look at the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3428 list] there are 3 publications (the UK Orbit ones) where the title uses the fancy character while the publication uses the "-". They need to match so if these 3 really need to have "-" (and it seems so?), the next step is to unmerge the 3 publications out from the title and then merge the 3 resulting titles and then variant the result to the main work. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:46, 29 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: One more actually: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2071918 this one] needs to be merged into the main work. Let me know if you want to try or if you want me to. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:48, 29 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::How about Katzenspiel? Do translations have different expectations? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:56, 29 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::: Technically yes but [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1652366 it] is already on its own and varianted into the main title so nothing needs to be changed in it. :) The only ones that were getting changed were the English language ones - the translations are already sorted out. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:04, 29 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::::: All approved and I also sorted out the Keith Parkinson covers (two of them were with the wrong separator). What remains now are the three reviews - for which we will need the PVs of the publications they are in to check what the separator is. Unfortunately 2 of the 3 have only inactive PVs so I would just leave the reviews alone (so just mentioning it here for the next time you are adjusting titles) :) Thanks for fixing these! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:54, 29 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::::: Looks good! Thanks for sorting these out. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 17:48, 30 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== A War of Shadows ==<br />
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Cover artist of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?149801 this] is Davis Meltzer, his signature is in the middle at the very bottom of the front cover, see [https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a4/dc/38/a4dc38fd5bb623bcacc37327e8784fcf.jpg this scan]. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 17:30, 27 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== HTMLize notes ==<br />
<br />
Hello, <br />
<br />
Changing a lengthy note from non-HTML to HTML format when adding a small piece of information is considered a bit rude and inconsiderate, especially when there are multiple PVs (such as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4783911 here]). We work as a team and one editor's format cannot (and should not) be used to overwrite everyone else's just because they are the last to edit. It will be appreciated if you show some respect to the other editors' styles - not everyone is comfortable working with HTML and we support both types of comments for a reason. <br />
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I think I mentioned that once in one of the threads but don't remember mentioning it directly on your page so decided to stop by and just post a reminder. Thanks for the understanding and thanks for adding all the additional information. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:52, 4 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok, I'll dial it back. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:54, 4 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks! If you are the only PV or you are adding extensive notes (which you often do), it is all yours - the HTML format is supported and acceptable. It is the multi-PVed ones where someone is only adding a small piece of info -- if any of the other PVs decides to, they can just go and undo the html again -- which will lead to editing wars. So we thread lightly. And it goes in the other direction as well - removing html for the sake of removal will be frowned upon as well. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]]<br />
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:::I check my altered PVs and use that as a feedback indication, rather than a call to arms. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 20:04, 4 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Interviews and special naming rules ==<br />
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Hi Glenn, <br />
<br />
Interviews and reviews are the two types of titles that seemingly have two authors. However, due to how the DB works, only one can be varianted into a canonical name - the Interviewer and the Reviewer respectively as they are considered the authors per our definition. However - we still show the statistics for the other 2 -- and if we cannot variant, it leaves the DB in a bit of a weird state (with titles on pseudonyms pages). That means that the Interviewee and the author of the reviewed work have to be recorded with their canonical names (a note can be added to specify how they were credited). I fixed it in one of your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2782313 verified]. It is one of those weird rules that make sense but are not intuitive (thus me trying to explain the reasoning). Let me know if you have any questions. <br />
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PS: This is one of the rules everyone forgets - so you are not alone in mixing these up :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:48, 6 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:For reviews, canonical name is not required. It merely needs to be a form already in the database (see [[:Template:TitleFields:ReviewAuthor]]). If a review uses a recorded pseudonym, then we use that pseudonym. If it uses a variation of a recorded pseudonym, then we'd correct to the pseudonym. The review would then be linked to the variant title record and the software is smart enough to show the review on both the variant and parent title. See this {{T|2752126|review}}, {{T|2515290|variant}}, and {{T|2515291|parent}} for an example. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:08, 6 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Oops. Thanks for the correction and clarification on that one. You are right of course - for reviews the form of the name just need to exist and match the title we connect to. I came to explain the rule for interviews, decided to add the second special type and made a mess of it. Thanks for the catch. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:17, 6 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Gadget Maker ==<br />
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Is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4786827 this] speculative fiction? The [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gadget_Maker Wikipedia synopsis] certainly doesn't make it seem so. It would seem to fall into our "Techno-thriller, political thriller and satire works set in a future indistinguishable from the present" (where the present is 1954) clause. Is their synopsis misleading? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:23, 6 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:I haven't read it. I bought it many years ago thinking it was, but old-school techno-thriller seems to characterize accurately. I was thinking that stories about engineers making rockets seemed close. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:27, 6 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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::Okay, let's exclude it until you have a chance to read it. If you find that it has some speculative elements, we can unreject the submission. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:30, 6 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Could you point me at where it talks about the scope for the site? Thanks. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:35, 6 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Sure. It's [[ISFDB:Policy#Contents.2FProject_Scope_Policy]]. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:37, 6 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Don Lynch --> Howard Koslow? ==<br />
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Hi Glenn, please take a look at [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Possible_correction_of_artist this possible finding]. Right now, you seem to be the only available PV editor. Would you like to comment over at the noticeboard (and possibly take action)? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:30, 7 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Cerulean Sins ==<br />
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You really should change the cover [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?63268 here] - a /P/ Amazon image can be changed at any time :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:22, 8 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Never mind - apparently you did on a next update ;) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:24, 8 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Novel ending page ==<br />
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Hello. Just a heads-up. For publications where the printed page numbers go beyond the end of the novel, add a note stating "Novel ends on page xxx" (I could swear this is somewhere in the rules, but couldn't find it... ah well... still think it's a good idea to add it to the notes :). [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?423759 Here] for example, you updated the page count from 531 to 549, and added an excerpt starting on p535. This leads me to believe that the novel proper ended on p.531, correct? Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 10:00, 24 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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Same for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?426654 this one] [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 10:28, 24 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Winter Song ==<br />
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Hi have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4808064 your submission] on hold, as I wonder if it wouldn't be better to state that the US edition has the author's name in Orange, instead of outright deleting the statement? Like you did when you updated the US edition ? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 10:08, 24 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Resubmitted per your suggestion. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:19, 24 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== King's Property ==<br />
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I approved [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?803678 this one] but looking at the one we have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?99721 here], it seems like it is a duplicate. The 11st seems like a typo for 1st and the price being the same in both Canada and USA kinda points to the original record being also a first edition - an 11th will be much later so at least one of the prices should be different. Would you like to update the old record and add your notes and updates there? Sorry for not catching it before approval. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:52, 25 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Sapphire Rose ==<br />
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You are PV2 on the sapphire Rose by David Eddings. Either you or PV1 named the map The Sapphire Rose (maps) with the 1992 publication date. If you check your copy I think you will see it is signed and dated 1988. This map was used in all three books of the Elenium. In fact, the publisher refers to this map as the Eosia map on the copyright page of the first book in the next series. Let me know if you have a problem with me changing this. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 14:53, 25 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Fine with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:05, 25 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Auto-da-Fé ==<br />
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Hello Glenn. I noticed that you added {{t|2803502|Auto-da-Fé}} as a replacement for {{t|59204|Auto-da-Fe}} (without accent aigu) to the 1967 publication {{p|52497|Turning On}}, but with the same publication year (1961). However, as far as we know the variant {{t|2803502|Auto-da-Fé}} was first published in the 1967 edition of {{p|52497|Turning On}} (or perhaps for the first time in the 1966 edition {{p|52496|Turning On: Thirteen Stories}}), surely not in 1961. So I've updated the year of first publication of Auto-da-Fé as 1967. Let me know if you would disagree (and why).<br />
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As an aside, there seems to be a similar problem with {{t|57077|Semper Fi}}, which seems to have been first published as {{t|187371|Satisfaction}} in 1964-08. The first occurrence of Semper Fi (at least in our DB) is not earlier than 1966-08 (the first edition of {{p|52496|Turning On}} - so seems like Satisfaction is a variant of Semper Fi instead of the other way around. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:28, 23 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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: When a story gets more popular under a later title, we use the LATER name as a canonical title. This is the case with Semper Fi so reversing the variant is not needed even if there is a SINGLE publication under a different title before that. Canonical title does not always mean "first title". [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:12, 23 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Sun in Glory: And Other Tales of Valdemar ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4884983 this] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4884986 this] - are "Sun in Glory" "And Other Tales of Valdemar" exactly the same size on the title page? If not, then the way we have it now is correct - a subtitle is added by adding ":" between it and the title. The only case when your proposed change will be valid is if "and..." is not a subtitle but appears as part of the title itself (same font, same size) on the title page. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:35, 17 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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: It's a different font size, but the 'and' is lower case. My feeling is that the font is smaller on the second line because the words wouldn't fit otherwise. I took the subtitle instructions <b>It is sometimes a judgement call as to whether a change of font or a colon indicates a subtitle or just some creative license on the part of the typesetter. If in doubt, take your best guess and document the guess in the publication's notes.</b> as an indication of some leeway allowed in the rule.<br />
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: There's some additional rationale I left on on Marc Kupper's talk page. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 05:00, 18 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Yeah, I know it is a subjective clause and I saw that we have the rest of the series in a different way. However both [https://www.worldcat.org/title/sun-in-glory-and-other-tales-of-valdemar/oclc/53478242 OCLC] and [https://catalog.loc.gov/vwebv/search?searchCode=LCCN&searchArg=2004596794&searchType=1&permalink=y LCCN] threat is as a subtitle and inject the ":" in there. The lower case is not that unusual - capitalizing the subtitle's first word when it is one of the small words is not the rule in all the style formats... Let me think on that for a bit. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:00, 18 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Horse and His Boy ==<br />
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Hi Glenn, I've accepted your submission, but can you double check [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?822020 this pub record]'s date, as I suspect that the pub date must be 1976-00-00 (per your notes) iso 1974? Thanks! Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 11:49, 5 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks! Edit submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:18, 5 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Publishers vs Publication series ==<br />
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Hi, why do you want books published as Ace Fantasy to be under a separate publisher '[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?54310 Ace Fantasy Books'], instead of putting those books in the publication series [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1312 'Ace Fantasy']. Is Ace Fantasy Books at a different address than Ace Science fiction, or are they in fact two desks in the same office? Please explain.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 08:07, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
: The same with Tor.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 08:09, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: For the Ace ones, they are listed as Ace Fantasy Books on the cover, title page, and copyright page. The only address given is for the Berkeley Publishing Group. It is a separate imprint and not a pub series. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:40, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
::: If the same holds true for the four that are now given as pub series we have to enter them likewise, not like the hodge-podge it is now.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 08:57, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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::::To complicate matters, there are Ace 'fantasy' books that really seem to be a publication series, in that they say 'Fantasy' on the spine, but not the title page. Tor seems to be more consistent, in that the spine and title page always matches, at least that I've seen. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:28, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: I just noticed the edit [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4905749] from Dirk that removed the pub series marker. However there is a 'Fantasy' marker on the top of spine (but not the title page). Not sure what the rules are for pub series. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:38, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Publication_Series See our wiki].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 10:46, 7 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:::If there exist fantasy pubs published by Ace Books (and not by Ace Fantasy Books), then I guess that edit should be reversed, and notes added to both the pub and the pub series record to clarify. (And perhaps a note cautioning editors not to delete the pub series)[[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 02:54, 7 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:::: Sounds like a good idea, explaining in the notes why the book should be in a publication series named 'fantasy' while such is not evident from cover, nor title page.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 10:44, 7 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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::It's not clear to me what criteria should be used to decide something is a publication series. It seems obvious with cover markup like <b>Jim Baen Present</b> or <b>Ace Science Fiction Special</b>, but is a single category word like <b>Fantasy</b> on the spine enough? My assumption is that the imprint takes priority over pub series, e.g., publications wouldn't be both in pub series <b>Ace Fantasy</b> and imprint <b>Ace Fantasy Books</b> simultaneously. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:42, 7 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: There is no restriction imposed, so it is possible to have pub series <b>Ace Fantasy</b> and imprint <b>Ace Fantasy Books</b> simultaneously. Whether that is the right choice depends on what's on or in the books, even how the series is perceived, how it is marketed, etc... If there's fantasy on the spine of publications by imprint Ace Fantasy Books, I'd record it as such - and add clarifying notes all over the place :) One advantage of doing so is that you could link fantasy pubs by Ace Books with fantasy pubs by Ace Fantasy Books when using the same pub series name (provided of course these can be considered part of the same publication series, only published by (slightly) different publishers) - it has happened before (for example when a publisher started a series, which later became an imprint of another publisher who took over/merged with the first). [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:04, 8 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== ISBN 0-87997-133-9 ==<br />
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Hi, For both the DAW publications [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?108641 The Stone That Never Came Down UY1150] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?255142 Spawn of Laban UQ1133] you derived the ISBN-10 from the catalog number. Problem is that the ISBN-10 is in both cases 0-87997-133-9...--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 05:13, 23 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Ooops. Accidently used the DAW# instead of the catalog number when generating. Edit submitted. Thanks. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:34, 23 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Exiled from Earth ==<br />
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Added cover artist John Mardon for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?786152 this]. Same cover art as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291295 this] edition. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 03:29, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Thanks --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:23, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Shatterday ==<br />
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Added a note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30186 this] edition. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 02:31, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Sheri or Sherri? ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?322814] should be by Sheri S. Tepper. Can you check and fix if needed? --[[User:Username|Username]] 14:19, 28 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Fixed. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:36, 28 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Outcasts of Order ==<br />
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Hi Glen, you are the PV for a pb edition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?828351 Outcasts of Order]. I have been consolidating the names of the three maps used throughout this series. The relevant maps for this book are [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?821981 The World (Saga of Recluce) (map)] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2848218 Candar and Recluce (map)]. I would be happy to import them for you. Let me know. John [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 18:51, 6 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Go for it. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:26, 6 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Recluse maps ==<br />
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All three maps were set up and the different names were merged. If you are verifying any that do not yet have the maps, go ahead and import them. I thought I got all the through book 20, but, I could have missed one. Just look at the HC for any title you are verifying to see the appropriate map. You will catch on to the naming scheme I used. John [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 19:20, 9 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Just looked at some of your latest PV's. You will need to do some importing. If a pub had no PV, Annie asked me to leave it blank. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 19:29, 9 April 2021 (EDT)d<br />
: I'm unfamiliar with the import process. From the sound of it, it's different than just editing the publication and adding titles, but I'm not sure where to start.<br />
:: Would you like me to do them, or try to explain the procedure.? I will be glad to do either. If you would like me to do them, make sure you have PV all of yours so I can tell which pubs are yours. So far {{p|38180| Death of Chaos}} and {{p|13068| Fall of Angels}} are the only ones missing the maps. John [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 21:41, 9 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: I've got the imports figured out and am progressing through the series. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:00, 10 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: I'm glad you are doing it on your own. Be careful, you have imported the wrong map to {{p|249991|Natural Ordermage}}. The second map should be {{t|821981|Hamor (map)}}. If your not sure which are the correct maps, you can look at the three map title pages and you will see which books use each map.[[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 19:12, 10 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::: I just noticed a Hamor map, but your link points at 'world'. Was in the process of looking for the proper map. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:14, 10 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::: Sorry about that! . Watch out for Arms-Commander, just uses one map. [[User Talk: Scifibones|John]] 19:54, 9 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::::: Edit submitted for Natural Ordermage. I noticed the single map at least. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:23, 10 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::::: So you found this map? {{t|2851224|Hamor(map}}[[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 19:27, 10 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::::::: Yep. Had a problem for a bit, but changed search from 'fiction titles' to 'all titles' and found it then. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:29, 10 April 2021 (EDT<br />
Check which map you imported into "The Mongrel Mage". [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 12:18, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: It looks ok to me. What issue are you seeing? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:34, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: I just looked at my book again to check. The second map should be the "Hamor (map)" not the "Candor and Recluce (map)" . Hit me up anytime John [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 16:45, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: I just checked again, and my copy of the book has "Candar and Recluse" as the 2nd map. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:47, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Interesting, the publisher printed the wrong one in one of them. I haven't read it yet, so I can't sy which. Lol. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 16:53, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::: I've read them, and the Candar map is correct. Volumes 19-21 are a subseries with the same main character. I'd guess that the HC had the wrong map, and it got fixed for the PB edition. Perhaps we should add some notes. --![[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 17:04, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::: I'll try to get hold of a HC copy of "Mage-Fire War" this week and see if it is corrected there. Then a note will probably be in order. I'll let you know what I find out. [[User Talk:Scifibones| John]] 17:10, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::::: Yes, please, add notes for that weird map changing between formats :) And this is exactly why I am a bit careful before adding maps to editions that someone does not have access to. Thanks for working on these, gentlemen! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:35, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::::: I went ahead and submitted the following note for "The Mongrel Mage". Tor erroneously included the map of "Hamor" on pages [10]-[11]. The map featuring "Candar and Recluce" is the proper map. This was corrected by the 1st printing of the mass market paperback, verified <a href="http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?674427">Here</a> (only Here will show) . I'm borrowing "Mage-Fire War" tonight, although I expect it is correct since "Outcasts of Order" is correct. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 13:54, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::::::: I just noticed that you didn't change the publisher to <i>Tor Fantasy</i>. Is the hardcover not marked so on the title page? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:21, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::: Nope, still just Tor. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 19:51, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::::::: Just to make sure... there's no little shield with 'Tor Fantasy' over it on the bottom of the title page... My Tor fantasy HCs have such. (in other titles). More fully, I'd expect <br />
::::::::: Just checked Mage-Fire HC look-inside on Amazon and saw just the plain Tor. Oh well, more inconsistencies between formats. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 20:31, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::: I have The Mongrel Mage open in front of me. No shield. "Tor" (over) "Tom Doherty Associates Book" (over) "New York". I worked late today so I am picking up Mage-Fire War at lunch tomorrow. If it shows Tor Fantasy I will surely make the change when I verify it. I promise to post a note here and let you know. I will also double check Outcasts of Order. It's always possible I could have missed it there. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 21:08, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::::::::: Outcasts of Order is just Tor. The only 2 I see, in the Recluce series, are the first two books. I posted a note [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard#Publisher Imprints|Here]] to see how they want me to handle these. I never even paid attention to them, glad you pointed it out. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 13:08, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Tor® | fantasy | shield with stars on top, mountain below | A Tom Doherty Associates Book | New York <br />
Do you plan on doing the maps for the Imager series? Just started my PV pass there. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 21:44, 10 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:I will at some point, right now I'm making an effort to verify more of my collection. Next time I do one, if pb's are involved, I'll solicit your help. Interested? John [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 10:08, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: I've started the Imager series with using shared maps in mind. And sure, let me know if you would like help in the future. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:34, 11 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Day of the Dragonstar ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Would you mind checking [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Thomas_F._Monteleone.27s_Dragonstar this discussion]? Thanks1 :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:31, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Can you stop by and check something in this one again? We are trying to determine if the German one is a translation of the serial or the book and Christian has questions about the serial. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:23, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Manifold: Time ==<br />
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I'm changing title to conform to standards, removing the series name for {{p|21370|Manifold: Time}}. John [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 13:00, 16 April 2021 (EDT) I also removed the cover art title, "Jacket design by David Stevenson from HC"<br />
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: This not attempt to dissuade you from the change, but give some thoughts about why I didn't do this removal while PVing.<br />
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: I'm more likely to keep the series name in the title if it seems to be intrinsically part of the title. So a series subtitle seems less intrinsic than one that comes first with a following colon, like <b>Manifold: Time</b>. And a title like <b>Lucky Starr and the Pirates of the Asteroids</b> I would never attempt the removal upon. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 17:40, 17 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: The moderators asked me to make this change in all the publications of the trilogy. I was actually arguing in favor of your position. Originally I posted a link to the conversation, but, on second thought, ask Annie directly. She will explain it better than reading through the original back and forth. [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 21:26, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:MagicUnk#Your_comment_re:_Origin Here's the conversation]. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 10:04, 19 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== To Clear Away the Shadows ==<br />
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I recently read the book, and I was surprised to find that the book contains all new characters, different from anyone in the preceding 12 books. I asked a question in the help desk wiki about how to know when a new sub-series was starting, and Annie said to leave it for now and put a note into it. So I did. I also asked David Drake what his plans were on his website. We'll see what he says, or what he does. Jack [[User:Sjmathis|Sjmathis]] 10:09, 17 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Lost in Translation ==<br />
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Would you mind double checking the cover art credit for {{P|20799|Lost in Translation}}? It is common for people to see "Courtney" when the artist's actual name is {{A|Cortney Skinner}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:42, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Spelled with a 'u' on the copyright page. (Courtney) --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:19, 18 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Dangerous Visions ==<br />
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I picked up a copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8713 this] and note that it states gutter codes are printed on page 544. My copy definately has "Book Club Edition" at bottom of front flap and the number 1179 on the rear flap but alas page 544 has no code at all. Is there anywhere else within the book a gutter code might have been printed ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 13:09, 22 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: I have '46I' on the bottom of page 539. In general, start at the end and work your way back 5 or 10 pages. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:55, 22 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Thank you. That was very helpful. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 01:15, 23 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Publisher New Infinities ==<br />
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Hi <br />
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Another user left a [[User talk:Rtrace#Publisher name|note]] on my talk page questioning the difference between the publishers [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?62967 New Infinities Productions / Ace] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?38481 New Infinities / Ace]. I double checked my book and the publisher is credited as "New Infinity Productions, Inc." throughout the book, including the cover and spine logo. You are one of the only two active verifiers who has [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?42789 a book] by the publisher with the shorter name (and in fact, I have a copy of the same book). While I don't think we need to include "Inc.", I do think the longer name is more appropriate. Do you have any objections if I merge these two publishers taking the longer name? I'm checking with the other active verifier as well. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:31, 23 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:52, 23 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Sporting Chance ==<br />
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I approved your changes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?325550 Sporting Chance], but I eliminate the [3] pages and put the [24] pages of the excerpt in parens instead. This makes the pagination in the contents clearer, and noone will miss the three pages in between. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 17:59, 24 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Another map consolidation ==<br />
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Hi Glenn, As a PV of many volumes please follow link to review proposed changes to [[User talk:Scifibones #Magic Kingdom of Landover map consolidation| Magic Kingdom of Landover map consolidation]]. Hopefully you thought the last one was beneficial. John, [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 19:27, 24 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Victory Conditions ==<br />
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I approved your submission [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?273491 Victory Conditions], but one thing you should know. When you enter the Canadian price for a pub use "C$xx.xx", not just "$xx.xx". Canadian and U.S. dollars are not the same. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 22:49, 24 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Leftovers from the previous version of the notes. I just changed the number line. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 05:42, 25 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== First Lord's Fury ==<br />
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Added a couple notes and ext id to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?293159 First Lord's Fury]. Noticed you called the map "First Lord's Fury (map)" even though it has a title "The Realm of Alera". In fact there are two title records with that name. Do you have an objection to merging your title into "The Realm of Alera (map)" with those? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:06, 5 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
: No objection. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:06, 5 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Turn Coat] ==<br />
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Added pub note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?273980 Turn Coat] [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:47, 5 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
--[[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] 14:48, 5 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Cuckoo's Egg ==<br />
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I added this note --"Cover painting by Randall Asplund" credited on rear flap, the artwork is signed ©1985 Randy Aspland on back cover-- to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8429 Cuckoo's Egg]. Hope you don't mind. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:58, 11 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Chanur's Legacy ==<br />
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Adding a couple pub notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6627 Chanur's Legacy] [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:50, 12 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Stardrift ==<br />
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Cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?444493 this] is Jack Faragasso. Cover art credit from a signed print of the artwork for sale on the US Amazon site here: https://www.amazon.com/Stardrift-Signed-Fine-Print-Faragasso/dp/B08959P3MQ --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 13:11, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Proposed Map Consolidation ==<br />
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As a PV of at least one publication of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?369 Inheritor] or [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?20011 Precursor] , please take a moment to look at [[User Talk:Scifibones #Foreigner Map Consolidation| Foreigner Map Consolidation]] and leave your comments. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:20, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Go for it. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:22, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Submitted edit today [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:18, 19 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Winds of the Forelands ==<br />
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I have two questions related to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?18321 Winds of the Forelands] series.<br />
# I noticed we have different cover artists credited for the hc and pb versions of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?27498 Bonds of Vengeance]. The covers look very similar, would you mind double checking?<br />
:: My paperback says "Cover art by Gary Ruddell" on the back cover.<br />
# I am the sole verifier of all the hc editions with one exception, Same for you for the pb editions. I set up a title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?919662 Winds of the Forelands (map)] Do you mind if I merge in the different map titles?<br />
:: They're probably the same between hc and pb, but unless one of us scans and shares somehow, and the other compares, it's just a guess. But in general, merging maps that are identical is fine with me. <br />
I hope I'm not bothering you with all these requests. You have such an impressive library, you always have books included in my proposed merges. I hate having multiple titles for the same artwork. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:37, 19 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
: No problem with the requests. The map merging wasn't on my radar when I started PVing about almost a year ago. I've been working through the novel/collection section of my library, and I'm up to 'N'. Finish them, then anthologies, and then shared world crud. And then digest magazines. Maybe a couple more years? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:27, 19 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks for checking the artist credit. I'll import the map into "Bonds of Vengeance" while I'm at it. That is the only pb pub that didn't have a map entry. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:23, 19 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Done. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:15, 21 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Final Encyclopedia ==<br />
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Added couple pub notes and imported [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?921044 Afterword: The Door into Darkness] into [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?39770 The Final Encyclopedia]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:12, 25 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Chantry Guild ==<br />
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Added a couple design credits to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36981 The Chantry Guild]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:23, 25 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Belgariad: Part One ==<br />
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Made a pub date change, added some notes and OCLC to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?256970 The Belgariad: Part One] You will see another change when I import the map title. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:14, 5 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Riftwar Universe ==<br />
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Hi Glen, I have submitted edits for many of the HC's in the Riftwar Universe. You are a PV'er for some of these. Wanted to let you know. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:07, 13 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Commune 2000 A.D. / Mack Reynolds ==<br />
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Putting this entry in my messages for multiple commenters...<br />
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While PVing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?210233 Commune 2000 A.D. / Mack Reynolds] I noticed that the cover with '30p' doesn't match mine without.<br />
Do your copies look like the cover in the entry?<br />
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It appears from the edit history that BLongley added the note about 30p and Corgi, but it's not clear to me if he<br />
was referring to the cover image, or his copy of the book.<br />
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I can update the image with a scan of my copy, but wanted to know if appropriate. <br />
(I currently have an edit pending with additional changes).<br />
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--[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 02:26, 6 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:My copy has no '30p'. I'll move my verification to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?433528 this edition] that was probably entered by Bluesman in 2013 for the same reason. I.m.o. we should change the publisher of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?210233 Bill Longley's copy] to Bantam / Corgi and the price to £0.30. Unfortunately we can't ask Bill anymore. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 04:39, 6 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
: ps, I fixed your link, it didn't work and thanks for noticing this! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 04:41, 6 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
::I moved my verification as well. Thanks. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 09:28, 6 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: I have moved my verification to the original Bantam version as well. Good catch! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 09:52, 6 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Is someone going to edit the 30p record? Or was that an indirect request for me to do so? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:23, 6 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I did since nobody opposed my suggestion. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:52, 6 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: The only thing that seems odd with your suggestion is that that's the only book by this 'new' publisher. Is the intent that it should be used for books with Bantam covers with the price overprint? If so, perhaps a note in the publisher indicating so. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:31, 6 July 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Last 14 ==<br />
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Hi GlennMcG -<br />
Could I get you to check the title page of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?210717 this] publication? Clute/Nicholls, Reginald1 and Worldcat all have the title as "The Last Fourteen". Tuck has it as we do. Given the discrepancy, I wonder if the title page perhaps has the number spelled out. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:23, 6 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: The title page has it spelled out as <B>THE LAST FOURTEEN</B>. Sorry I missed that when PVing. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:49, 6 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::I checked my copy and changed the title to conform with the titlepage. Thanks! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 16:38, 7 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Sandstorm ==<br />
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Regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5050003 this submission]: We already have an entry for the {{P|314339|first Avon edition}}. This entry looks like a duplicate? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:56, 7 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: There appears to be two versions. One with a regular cover as shown, and one with the plastic lens in front of the artwork forming a 3d effect. It's not clear (to me) if they came out concurrently, or at different times. I didn't want to just change the existing one, as the cover doesn't match my copy. Also note that it includes a different excerpt. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:33, 7 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
::Sorry for the delay. The edit has been approved. I still question whether the original version is correct. It has "Data from Locus1. OCLC notes there is an excerpt from the next book in the series." and no page numbers even though it was verified. That implies the verifier didn't take much care when verifying it, but looking at the pub history, I see they are the ones that added the excerpt. Unfortunately, they have not been active in almost a year so we will have to go with what's there. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:58, 13 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Aymé's Walker-Through-Walls ==<br />
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Hi<br />
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Could I get you to double check the title page of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?216109 this collection]? I am suspicious of the hyphen between "The" and "Walker". Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:55, 14 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: THE | WALKER- | THROUGH- | WALLS | Originally published as | ACROSS PARIS and Other Stories<br />
: --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 17:25, 14 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Thuvia, Maid of Mars ==<br />
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I have cloned [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?51344 this pub] of Thuvia, Maid of Mars as there are two variations differentiated by the address and the ad at the end. Your primary verification may be incorrect. The edit and clone were just submitted. Given the backlog, I expect a few days before they are processed. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 16:31, 24 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Monster Men ==<br />
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I have cloned [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44274 this pub] of ''The Monster Men'' as there are two variations differentiated by the ad at the end. Your primary verification may be incorrect. The edit and clone were just submitted. Given the backlog, I expect a few days before they are processed. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 16:31, 24 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Moon Maid ==<br />
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I have cloned [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44315 this pub] of ''The Moon Maid'' as there are two variations differentiated by the publisher address. Your primary verification may be incorrect. The edit and clone were just submitted. Given the backlog, I expect a few days before they are processed. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 16:31, 24 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Blood Magic Series ==<br />
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Would you mind if I changed the series name "Blood Magic" to "Blood Magic (Cook)" for titles [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1032007 Blood Magic] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?829648 Nights of Sin]? I accidentally added the 7 titles in a newer Blood Magic series to the existing one. Since the older one only has two members, it would be easier to change the series name for just those two titles. Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 22:17, 26 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Not a problem. Although it might make sense to rename the other series to <b>Blood Magic (Kraus/Lawrence)</b> as well. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 22:52, 26 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
::That does makes sense. I'll do that as well. Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:26, 27 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Splitting some Burroughs publications you have verified ==<br />
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Some existing Burroughs publications you have PV'd have two variants that need to be split. You have verified <br />
[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44274 Monster Men], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44315 The Moon Maid], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?26181 Pirates of Venus], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34557 Tarzan and the Lost Empire] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?51344 Thuvia Maid of Mars]<br />
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Please check [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Holmesd#Changing_Burroughs_Books_.28Poll.29 this poll] to help determine which variant is the existing entry, and which is created. Your participation is appreciated. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 23:35, 26 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Hagberg Flash Gordon credit ==<br />
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You are the only active verifier of several books in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?25924 Flash Gordon] series by David Hagberg. All of these have a note that Hagberg is not credited within the book. Do you have any objection if I correct the publication records to reflect that Hagberg is uncredited? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:17, 6 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I'm not sure what you want to do. Is it to change the author from Hagberg to uncredited on the publication records? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 02:29, 7 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Yes, that's part of it. I would then unmerge the publication from Hadberg's title record and remerge them to the uncredited variant. I did this with the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?298218 one] book in the series where there were no active verifiers, if you'd like to see how it would look. Books without an author credit should be entered as uncredited and if we know the actual author's name, as in this case, we make them variants with the author's name in the parent title. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:19, 7 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: I take it that authors work differently than cover artists then? I've seen any number of publications with cover artist uncredited in/on the book, but filled in from other sources. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:02, 7 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::Yes. Artists follow different rules. For example we never enter a cover artist as "uncredited". Also it is permissible to credit an artist from a secondary source outside of the book. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:20, 7 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Sure, then go for it. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 00:28, 8 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::All done. Thanks! --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:29, 8 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Well of Ascension ==<br />
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Why removing the date from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5077693 here]? The note looks like a first printing? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:51, 8 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Never mind - inverted line. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:09, 8 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Black|Gold|Red Unicorn - Tanith Lee ==<br />
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The publisher for Black|Gold is 'Tor & Byron Preiss'. My copy of Gold seems like it should really be 'Tor Fantasy & Byron Preiss'. Black|Gold are the only instances of this publisher. Ron, would you check your copies? Taweiss is a PVer for Red which is currently 'Tor'. Conceivably, it should be changed to 'Tor Fantasy', or 'Tor Fantasy & Byron Preiss' as well.<br />
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Black: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36109]<br />
Gold: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15717]<br />
Red: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27659]<br />
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Thanks. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:34, 23 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:My copies of the paperbacks for Black and Gold do have the Tor Fantasy logo. I also have the hardcover of Red, and that is simply Tor. A Byron Preiss Book appears in all copies that I have access to, including those published by Atheneum. I'm fine with the addition of Fantasy to the records discussed. I'm ambivalent about the inclusion of Preiss. Is it a co-publication, imprint, or is he simply the editor? Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:15, 23 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: The fact that 'Byron Preiss' shows up in the Athenium editions makes me feel like its more a contributor credit, rather than a publisher. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 01:24, 24 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::Based on my copy of "Red", "Tor Fantasy" looks right to me. [[User:Taweiss|TAWeiss]] 18:24, 25 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Fire Sanctuary ==<br />
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Cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13650 this] (according to Adam Rowe's 70s Sci-Fi Art postings) is Don Dixon. It's also credited [https://fineartamerica.com/featured/fire-sanctuary-don-dixon.html?product=greeting-card here]. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:31, 24 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Feghoot LXIX ==<br />
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Hi Glenn<br />
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While importing Feghoots from your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37411 copy] of ''The Compleat Feghoot'', I noticed that Feghoot LXIX appears to be a limerick and I think we should probably change it from a story to a poem. I left a note on the other verifier's page, but they haven't been active in the last month. If you agree, I'll go ahead and make the change. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:56, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I checked, and I agree. Fine with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 21:20, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== I, Zombie ==<br />
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I understand that the publisher used all caps on the copyright page for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17696 this] but unless you clarify that specifically in the note, it looks like someone is shouting and someone may decide to clear it up. Yes - I know that the quotes mean "from the book as is" in your template but... that is your convention and people may have other ones. So some notes in cases like that are important (even just adding (from the copyright page) after the closing quote will be enough to indicate where this came from). I'd use normal capitalization (and add a note in brackets after it saying that it is in all caps on the copyright page) quite honestly if I were you... but up to you. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:34, 8 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: It seems like quotation marks have a fairly well known meaning even outside the conventions I use when entering notes. Not sure how to quote something without actually quoting it. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 21:48, 8 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: For quoting the text - yes. For showing the styling of the text (as opposed to an editor making it all caps so it is more visible on the page as the only thing they want to quote from the book) - not always as clear - we had had editors using all kinds of ways to separate the "from the book verbatim" from the actual notes and all caps, italics and so on had not been unheard of. And your other quote from the same page is not even in quotes (the number line). Leave it as is if you prefer but someone may decide to "fix" it one day. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:56, 8 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Duchess of Kneedeep ==<br />
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Cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38924 this] has been identified as Richard Bober. Original canvas with citation [https://www.comicartfans.com/gallerypiece.asp?piece=1374598 here]. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 10:45, 13 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Law of War ==<br />
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Let's talk about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5118810 this one]. How is Henderson involved in this novel? Because the record as it is now is very very confused and needs fixing - but I need to know how Henderson is involved so we do the correct thing. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:31, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Obliquely credited co-author, like the first volume in the series. I've been trying a sequence of edits to make it parallel to Man O'War, but I'm pretty sure I haven't taken the most direct path. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:20, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: You are going in the opposite direction from where you need to go. What needs to happen:<br />
::* The ones inside of the publications remain with Shatner only. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5118261 This] should not have been approved because now you need to eject THAT from both books and insert another which makes no sense. Reversing it will mean that only one step remains:<br />
::* Create a parent with Henderson and Shatner. <br />
:: I've reversed the edit and made the needed parent. Here is the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2931922 new parent]. I will leave it to you to add a note explaining Henderson's involvement. <br />
:: When crediting for ghost-writing, leave the titles inside of the books on their own (as credited basically), all you need is a parent record with both names on it. That way it will show up on both authors' bibliographies while the title inside of the book will match what is on the publication (which is how the DB is supposed to work). <br />
:: If the ghost writer was not a known author, we would threat it as a pseudonym (the help page even says that - that's when there is some rigmarole to be done with variants) but as Henderson has his own books, that does not work. Thus the double name on a parent to show it on both. Let me know if you have any questions. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:28, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Should the note go in the title or the publication? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:12, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: I'd add it on both quite honestly? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:26, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::: But if you want one - title level. That will explain to someone finding the variant why we have Henderson in the parent. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:40, 14 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== War of the Worlds: New Millennuim ==<br />
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Hi Glenn,<br />
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Are you sure that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?87597 your verified] is called "War of the Worlds: New Millennuim" and not "War of the Worlds: New Millennium" (the last i and u are inverted). :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 07:07, 20 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: You caught me. I'd go with 'iu' normally. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:00, 20 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: And fixed. The title record, the rest of the pubs and the cover were already fixed earlier today so we are all set. Thanks! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:03, 20 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== The Nimrod Hunt ==<br />
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Since you are [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5125451 submitting] significant changes (page counts, publisher), you need to discuss the changes with the primary verifiers first. As far as I can tell, none of them have been contacted. Please contact them (the active ones, anyway) and have them post here. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 10:45, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Please include your name in request. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:15, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:GlennMcG&curid=192014&action=history History]: Nihonjoe forgot to sign. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:31, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: This type of edit seems to be a expansion or refinement of the information already there, rather than a significant change, at least to me. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:36, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: I have checked my copy and the proposed changes match what it contains. That said, it's conceivable that some other verified pubs may be different. For example, the 8 unnumbered pages in the back of this book are mostly promotional material plus an excerpt. Since it's a mass market paperback published in the mid-1980s, it's unlikely that the number of pages will differ from copy to copy, but we have come across very minor differences which were our only clue that we were dealing with two different versions of the book (US/Canada, a cheap reprint, etc.) Experience suggests that it's safer to err on the side of caution :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:09, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent)(after edit conflict - and pulling that separately so the actual request to the PVs edit is more visible) Publisher changes and page number changes are significant changes (unless you are working on a pre-agreed thing like the Tor Fantasy thing where you actually discussed with the PVs early on.). Sometimes it may mean that there are two different books out there that we had not managed to split yet. Sometimes it can lead to a discussion on how to record the publisher in that specific case - there is a thin line sometimes between publisher, pub series inside of a publisher and a publishing line). In all cases not talking to the PVs when there are active ones on the list and when you had not cleared with them the type of changes you are making is considered in bad taste. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:12, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Hmmm. I've made identical (parallel) edits to a fair number of books in the past without issue whiling PVing in the past. There's a trade off on bothering to record additional information vs the effort in doing so. I've done about 10,000 PVs in the last year or so, and have another 5,000 to go. I don't want to annoy folk, but the latency in getting approval tends to be somewhat off-putting. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 17:38, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Moderators will skip over some of your edits (thus adding a long delay on them) because they are not cleared with the PVs. If you pre-clear with the PVs and mention it in the notes, the approvals will be a lot smoother. It is a community project and the point of the PV program is that someone checked a physical book for the parts of the record that are coming from it. That means that any change in the data they verified kinda invalidates their verification unless they recheck. We cannot do anything for the non-active verifiers. A moderator usually do not have the same book to be able to judge if you are correct or the existing record is correct. So we try to get the active PVs to check.<br />
:: What is the point of a Primary Verification if tomorrow another editor can come and change the Publisher name and the page numbers or any other data coming directly from the book the PV verified? Should we just allow anyone to just change the data without even an attempt for a second person to look at the book? :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:47, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Then what is the changed primary verifications notification for? I check every one I receive, mostly as feedback to what I might do better, but also to see if there is a clash with my copy of the book. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 17:59, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Relatively minor changes - notes, external IDs, formatting, adding a cover based on secondary sources, adding other data from secondary sources - things like that. And even for some of them, some editors will notify (especially for covers). It is a relatively new feature - the traditional way is to notify, preferably gaining support before the edit is done for big changes. Plus post approval, the old data is lost -- unless it was originally added in the last few years (so can be derived from a previous edit that is in the history), the old data is gone as soon as a moderator presses approve. Which means that if we need to revert back, we need to pull from the archived versions of the site which can be a pain.<br />
:: And just to put this into perspective a bit. If a different editor looks at this book tomorrow, verifies it and decides that the Publisher should be "Baen", should that be approved just because they are the latest PV? Then you get a notification, decide to change it back and... what next? An editing war? We are doing all we can to never end up in that situation. <br />
:: If you are now working on the Baen books, write up your thinking for the change as you did for Tor Fantasy changes, post in CS and ping the active PVs for the different books and point them there. Once we have agreement, just point to it in the notes - and we can approve bsed on that. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:11, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: My thinking was that if I saw a change in the notifications that I didn't agree with, I'd start a discussion at that point. But I've gone in and fixed html typos without such. And I understand the concept of institutional inertia. Not having a deterministic rollback mechanism seems foreign to me, as a software developer, everything is under source control. Any reason why the edit history entries don't contain before and after values? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 18:23, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Typos do not require a notification on one's page - just add in the moderator notes that you are fixing typos so people know when they look at the edit post-approval and that's it. That's what the PV changes list is for. Noone will ask you to go talk to people about it. So do you propose that we allow any editor to change the data on any book any way they want and then wait for the PVs to complain after the fact?<br />
:::: The history records were never built to be a history - they are just the approved submissions for this ID. As such when the system was built, it was not considered important to keep the old state after approval - it is there during approval and there was no way to search through old submissions unless you page manually through the pages of the Recent Edits or go to the DB directly. So having "old state" was... not really needed much.<br />
:::: Then we linked the Histories on each type of a record a few years back by just listing the old submissions we know of on this ID into a list (and the changed PV books was born the same way). You will notice that the Histories miss the very old edits and they do not list changes that influenced/changed the record but were not on the record itself - so if you change a title via PubEdit, it is in the history of the Publication but not of the history of the Title itself. Now "old state" will be very useful to keep but it was not built that way. Starting to save "old state" is in the development plans somewhere but it is not trivial and there are a lot of things in the plans. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:49, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: By the way, I'm pretty sure we've already had a discussion about the various versions of the Baen publisher. I just can't find it anywhere. This gist of it was I wanted to know which one to use, when, and folks gave their input. I believe that Annie thought that the various versions were unneeded, but didn't go so far as to suggest merging them. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 20:32, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: I would not be surprised if that had been discussed. Baen's splitting in the DB is such a mess that we either need to figure out how to split them properly or drop the pretense that we are splitting it. However - a decision for getting them merged was not taken, neither we have a workable plan to fix the whole thing I believe. It is probably on an archived page in CS or Help Desk - will look for it later. But I don't recall a decision that indeed the books are updated based on specific text somewhere (aka - what credit makes it into that publisher). Neither would any moderator be expected to remember - if there is agreement, the editor should mention so in the moderator notes technically. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:42, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
(unindent)[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk/archives/archive_34#Baen_vs_Baen_Books_publishers The Baen discussion]. It was for Baen vs Baen Books. You are sending books out from one of these into a third player here, splintering the publisher even more. (which may or may not be fine but is essentially one editor's decision on how to record). And none of the PVs had been called in to chime in in that Help discussion or any plan had been voiced on how we differenciate. The discussion led no decision so the usual rules apply - PVs are to be consulted. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:48, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: If I had to reverse engineer the rules...<br />
:: Unless the title page has some version of "Baen|Books" in a squashed hexagon logo, use <b>Baen</b><br />
:: Two versions use the hexagon, one with "Baen|Books", and one with "Baen|Science Fiction|Books". The <b>Science Fiction</b> is a smaller font and kind of jammed between the <b>Baen</b> and <b>Books</b>. Both publishers were in use before I got involved. <br />
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:: When I asked about this earlier, I hadn't run across the SF version yet. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 22:05, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: I am not arguing about what the publisher should be on this book - from what I saw above, one of the PVs agreed with you. We will give everyone a bit of time to see if someone else will voice an opinion. Neither we are really discussing the mess that is Baen/Baen Books. <br />
::: What we were discussing is why PVs need to be consulted and why we cannot just approve and let them disagree if they want later. There was no question on your data or update - the request to you was to discuss with the rest of the people that have the book and can check and offer an opinion/agreement as per ISFDB's established policy. The first editor/PV of a book has some leeway on how to interpret data, especially when they are working with a newish publisher for the DB (not anymore but this is an old record so it was). The second one by necessity need to find agreement. Collaborative projects need to work based on agreements and not based on "last editor in the door makes up the rules and everyone else must react after their updates". That's the crux of the issue here. Yes, it slows things down. But otherwise it is not fair to the people before that. <br />
::: I'd propose for you to start a new thread on the Help page to try to hash out the Baen situation if you are interested in actually helping solve it and untangle it -- invite the active PVs with books and let's see if we can clear the tangle of them. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:32, 21 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent)I pulled out my copy of the book and read all this. The page number edit is correct. The [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:EditPub#Page help text] allows both, but the square bracket notation is preferred. As for the publisher, front cover and copyright page have "Baen Books", spine and titlepage have "Baen Science Fiction Books". i.m.o. Baen, Baen Books and Baen Science Fiction Books should all be merged into Baen Books, so I have no problem with this change.<br />
There's one other thing, my copy has no Canadian price mentioned, I think the Canada note is a leftover from the time we had no separate records for Canadian editions and should be removed. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 03:59, 22 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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(Post moved to [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Help:Screen:NewPub_Publisher])<br />
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== Dafydd ab Hugh's "Heroing (excerpt)" triplication ==<br />
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Hi,<br />
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Idly clicking through the birthday authors on the home page, I notice there are 3 separate entries for "Heroing (excerpt)" in various Baen pubs from other authors. All have verifiers, but you're the only one who seems to be currently active at the moment. Are you able to check if these are all the same content, and thus should be merged? The pubs in question are:<br />
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* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36658 The Burning Realm - Michael Reeves]<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38525 The Dog and the Wolf - Karen & Poul Anderson]<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?651616 Angels in Hell - ed. Janet Morris] - you haven't PVed this one, but I imagine if the above two are the same, then this one will be as well.<br />
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I'm sure these all will be the same, but it seems best to check first before merging them. Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 07:47, 22 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: I actually have all three, but haven't gotten to the last one yet. I've checked, and appear identical. All 3 pages long, beginning and end of each page the same. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:55, 22 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks - [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5128037 merge submitted] [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 17:46, 22 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Cryoburn notes changes ==<br />
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CD-ROM info added to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?330962 Cryoburn] [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 13:21, 14 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Acacia ==<br />
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Changes to record for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?259276 Acacia]: Changed date to exact date. Updated the page count. Added notes. Added regular title for the included map. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5156074 Pending submission here] [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:30, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Knight of the Red Beard ==<br />
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Added notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?293780 The Knight of the Red Beard]. From personal copy. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:03, 27 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Unicorn & Dragon ==<br />
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I added notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?52800 Unicorn & Dragon] prior to doing a PV. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:10, 6 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Chantry Guild ==<br />
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Added notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36981 The Chantry Guild] before doing a PV. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:03, 14 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Way of the Pilgrim ==<br />
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Added notes and LCCN to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?54009 Way of the Pilgrim] prior to doing a PV. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:24, 14 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Final Encyclopedia ==<br />
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Added notes, fixed page count to include unnumbered pages, added new regular title for the map to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?39770 The Final Encyclopedia] based on owned copy. Will PV. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:38, 14 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Belgariad: Part Two ==<br />
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While preparing to PV [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?201601 The Belgariad: Part Two], I discovered a missing map on unnumbered page [2]. Any problem if I add it, adjust the page numbers, and add notes? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:03, 16 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Belgariad: Part One ==<br />
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While preparing to PV [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?256970 The Belgariad: Part One], I discovered a missing frontispiece map. Any problem if I add it and add a note about the gutter code in my copy? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:20, 16 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Fine with both. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 20:38, 16 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Krondor: The Betrayal ==<br />
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While preparing to PV [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19718 Krondor: The Betrayal], I noticed that the "Author's Afterword" on page 374 is missing. Any problem with my adding it? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:01, 17 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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: No problem. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:49, 17 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== A Kingdom Besieged ==<br />
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Added notes and endpaper map title to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?340570 A Kingdom Besieged] before doing a PV. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:59, 17 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Instrument of Fate ==<br />
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Could you please double check the Canadian price on {{P|18319|Instrument of Fate}}? I believe it should be C$7.99 vs. C$9.99. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:12, 18 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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: You're right. C$7.99 --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:53, 18 December 2021 (EST)<br />
::Updated. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 17:58, 18 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== A Fall of Moondust ==<br />
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On verifying my copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?253572 this pub], I noticed a statement on the backcover saying "Cover photograph by L. Krause Printed in USA". I would like to add the credit and change the note. Can you check your copy? Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:42, 26 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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: My copy has it as well. Fine by me. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:14, 26 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: Thanks! and done. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 16:59, 26 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The Bishop's Heir ==<br />
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There are three missing appendix titles in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36002 The Bishop's Heir]. Would you mind if I add them? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:11, 1 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Fine with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:18, 1 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== King Kelson's Bride and Saint Camber ==<br />
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There are two missing appendix titles in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19475 King Kelson's Bride]. There are five missing appendix titles in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?256269 Saint Camber]. Would you mind if I add them? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:48, 2 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: No problem. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:37, 2 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Harrowing of Gwynedd ==<br />
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Would you mind if I add the missing Appendix titles to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41302 The Harrowing of Gwynedd]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:26, 3 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: No problem with this, or other similar requests. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:46, 3 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::Do you still want me to post similar requests? There are likely to be a bunch more. :) [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 16:37, 3 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: Not needed. My tradeoffs for doing PVs considered this type of material part of the main work, rather than needing separate entry. But mostly because I've been grinding through my ~15,000 books, and I wanted to finish some day.<br />
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:::I check 'My Changed Primary Verifications' regularly and in the unlikely case that I disagree strongly I'll bring up an issue then. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 17:22, 3 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Forge of God / multiple covers ==<br />
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I invite your comment on [[User_talk:Fjh#One_printing.2C_multiple_covers|this discussion]]. Thank you. [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] 12:28, 7 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Revenants ==<br />
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Regarding {{P|46134|The Revenants}}: If the cover artist credit is "Kinuku Craft", then that is how the cover art should be entered. Can you please confirm and either update or I can if you wish? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:17, 9 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Seed ==<br />
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I have placed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5191804 this submission] on hold. Please check with Kraang and Willem H. The prior notes have "Stated 1st printing of 1968 Ballantine ed." If that is correct (as opposed to being a reference to the "First Edition: January 1968") and yours does not, then you have a reprint. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:41, 9 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:This edit can be approved. The statement in the notes is incorrect, and should be "First Edition: January 1968". Glenn, thanks for spotting this. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:40, 9 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::Approved, thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:24, 9 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Madness in Solidar ==<br />
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I have replaced the Amazon image with a scan in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?557105 this] pub. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 14:21, 14 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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==Asimov / Fantastic Voyage II: Destination Brain==<br />
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I am editing and PVing {{P|459023|Fantastic Voyage II: Destination Brain}} and will add notes and cover. No changes or deletions to anything you have entered. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 17:33, 22 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Runelords ==<br />
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Would you mind checking your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?46404 this] to see if the title page shows "The Runelords: The Sum of All Men" instead of just "The Runelords". If it does, please change the title to "The Runelords: The Sum of All Men". Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 21:51, 27 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:Sorry to nag, but all of the other pubs have "The Runelords: The Sum of All Men" as their title. I see you changed the title to just "The Sum of All Men" likely thinking that "The Runelords: is a series name and shouldn't be included. Been there; tried that. If you look at [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Philfreund#The_Runelords this thread] on my Talk page, you can see how I ended up making the change to "The Runelords: The Sum of All Men". Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:01, 31 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: The discussion there doesn't really seem to explain why the rules shouldn't be followed. Perhaps in all the Deleted sections. But there is some value to consistently not following rules. I'll submit an edit, rather than dive down the rabbit hole. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:10, 31 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Shadowkeep ==<br />
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Added the cover artist to the Alan Dean Foster [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29953 publication] and updated Note to indicate source (German edition). ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 10:50, 29 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Written in Time ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?327535 Written in Time], do you mind if I add the title for the "Afterword" on pages 643-644 before I add notes and PV? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 14:29, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: No problem. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 22:41, 30 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Updating Amazon images ==<br />
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Per [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Amazon-hosted_cover_scans this] Community Portal discussion: I've updated the images for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?198953 The Last Starfighter], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44491 The Naked God: Flight] (poor image, can you do better?), [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?259547 Children of the Serpent Gate]. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 23:06, 31 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: I don't see updates for the images for these books. Are the edits still pending? --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:31, 1 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: The first was accepted about 7 minutes after you posted your message. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 08:06, 3 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: Odd, I couldn't see them for few days, even with forcing reloads. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:07, 3 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: I've uploaded images for 1 and 3 (full bantam logo). No joy on #2. I have a damaged cover, and this type of metallic ink is just impossible to scan well. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 02:04, 3 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: I got my light box out and tried a natural light photo. Not perfect, but better. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:44, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== "The Weapon Shop" vs. "The Weapons Shop" by A. E. van Vogt ==<br />
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Hi.<br />
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You are listed as the most recent Primary Verifier for the 1946 edition of Healy & McComas's "Adventures in Time and Space", a great anthology, and one that helped introduce me to a lot of great SF from that era. (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?245825)<br />
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As far as I can tell, the 1946 edition had the first reprint of "The Weapon Shop" by A. E. van Vogt (originally in Astounding, December 1942, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?57432).<br />
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ISFDB notes that the 1946 edition had the story as "The Weapons Shop", a variant on the original published title. <br />
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I am curious about whether anything is known about this change in title, and would also like to confirm that the 1946 Healy & McComas is the first place the new title showed up.<br />
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I have done a bit of searching online on this question, but I have not yet found a definitive answer on which title van Vogt preferred. Both titles have been used throughout it's extensive reprint history.<br />
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I checked, and I have the 1957 edition. That definitely shows the new title, "The Weapons Shop".<br />
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I would appreciate it if you could check your 1946 copy and tell me what title for this showed up in the 1946 TOC, on the story in the body of the book, and also in the copyrights/acknowledgements and anywhere else.<br />
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Thanks.<br />
[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 11:51, 1 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: "The Weapons Shop" is used in acknowledgements, TOC, and story title page in my 1946 copy. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 14:38, 1 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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::Thanks for that information. So far as I can tell, this was the first appearance of that version of the title.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 16:07, 1 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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==Robots and Empire - Amazon Image==<br />
<br />
I have replaced the unstable Amazon image for {{P|28372|Robots and Empire}} with a scan of my copy. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 16:03, 1 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Godmakers ==<br />
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I added month to this, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?225397, based on note in this, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?40719. I also added month to this, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41184, based on note in this, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41185. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:47, 2 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Irons in the Fire ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?303530 Irons in the Fire]: Would you mind if I add the titles for the maps on page 10-11 and the essay on page 617 before I PV? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:24, 3 February 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
: Fine. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 00:28, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== King Maker ==<br />
<br />
Hi Glenn -<br />
I'm replacing the Amazon image for Broaddus' ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?324973 King Maker]''. The [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51KwgbKqyeL.jpg Amazon image] had the Braunbeck blurb on the left side of the cover. Please let me know if your copy disagrees and I can put it back and split the publications. I realize that I've only got a transient verification, but I'm going through the boxes of books to be donated or sold and this was one that I still had. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:16, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
: Your image matches my cover. I've also uploaded my scan which seems to match the color values of my copy better, mostly so you can check and see if it's a scan issue, or there is that much variability in print quality. I've already reverted to your image, but I'm curious what you think. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:27, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: And now that's actually they're on the isfdb site, they look less different than I thought earlier. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 15:31, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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::It doesn't really matter to me which scan we use, but I've gone ahead and deleted the two older ones. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:43, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Jade Warrior ==<br />
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Please see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5214311 this submission] which I'm holding. While it matches the cover, since you have primary verified it and are active, please validate that it is correct. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:57, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: The price is correct, although I would have preferred the note addition to be added to the html list. Price is also on the spine. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 19:23, 4 February 2022 (EST)<br />
::I approved the edit and fixed the formatting. The note isn't really required. I will leave it to you if you want to remove or add info about spine. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:55, 5 February 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
Whenever I enter info for someone else's record that's missing the price I add a note about where it is because certain moderators used to whine whenever I'd add something and not say exactly where it was in the book. Whenever I enter a new record for a book I don't usually specify. I used to mimic that bullet point style until I realized it's just a waste of space and just enter notes now without the dots. Also, I'm curious why the price for this book wasn't entered in the first place; usually this happens because it's too small/scratchy and can't be read until I manage to decipher it, but in this case it's big and clear. --[[User:Username|Username]] 09:42, 5 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:There is a difference when working from the book itself and when working from secondary sources, pictures, scans, etc. For the latter, you need to specify the source. In this particular case, the data is from the book, but you don't have the book. You could have put the information in the moderator note instead of the pub note. That would have let the approving moderator & the verifier know why you were editing a verified record. As for the formatting, it makes a much cleaner and easier to read record when all the notes use the same format. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:35, 5 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: I didn't notice the price was missing when I added the cover image. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 16:02, 5 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Beyond Eden ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4309<br />
<br />
Would this be enough to edit the publication date to the more precise: 1955-04-21?<br><br />
Review copy note found inside pb edition: [https://upload.vaa.red/23krPp#5491ba8dce3f0645cd8b91913d61495e]<br><br />
It mentions both the pb and the hc edition. --[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] 07:17, 12 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Seem fine, as long as the source is noted. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 21:05, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Pharaoh Contract ==<br />
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Would you mind looking at your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?39118 The Pharaoh Contract] and verifying that you also have the number line: 0 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 and the Canadian price C$5.50? I want to add those notes. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:18, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: I have "RAD 0 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1". C$ ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 21:01, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Hidden Queen & Changer of Days ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?67971 The Hidden Queen], I'd like to make the following changes before doing a PV:<br />
<br>Change page count to [8]+389<br />
<br>Add title for the map on page [8]<br />
<br>Add title for the Glossary on page 379<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?69820 Changer of Days], I'd like to make the following changes before doing a PV:<br />
<br>Add title for the map on page [vi]<br />
<br>Add title for the Glossary on page 326<br />
<br><br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:49, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
: Fine. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 21:00, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Fane ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?278887 Fane], would you object if I added the following before I PV?<br />
<br>Change page count to [8]+311<br />
<br>Add "First Timescape Books printing August, 1981" and the printer's key<br />
<br>Add essay title "Racial/Political Groupings on the Planet Fane" for page [7]<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:04, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
: Go ahead. --[[User:GlennMcG|GlennMcG]] 20:58, 13 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Split Infinity and Out of Phaze ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?203137 Split Infinity]: Do you mind if I change the page count to [8]+356 and add the missing maps title before I PV? <br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25321 Out of Phaze]: Do you mind if I change the page count to [10]+309 before I add notes and PV?<br />
<br><br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 15:08, 15 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: No problem. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:39, 15 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Hobbit, or There and Back Again ==<br />
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Hello Glenn, <br />
<br />
Can you check [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?881523 this one]. Either you have a later printing (so you cannot use the 0997 from the dustjacket for the date) or it cannot have the ISBN13 printed and we need the ISBN10 instead - this is about a decade too early for ISBN13. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:31, 15 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Missed that during the clone. I've submitted an edit with that change, and the cover image I wrangled together. The cover image I did a few days ago, but my normal process got muddled waiting for input. Metallic foil is such a joy do deal with, much less stitching multiple scans together for the complete image. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 18:46, 15 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Approved. And yeah - metallic foil looks nice... until you try to scan it. Thanks for fixing it! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:03, 15 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Pandora's Legions ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25580 Pandora's Legions], do you mind if I add the notes "First printing: February 2002" and "Cover art by Patrick Turner"? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:22, 16 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Sounds good. I'd also add 'no number line' as well. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 13:32, 16 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Twilight's Kingdoms ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?52579 Twilight's Kingdoms], do you mind if I:<br />
<br>Add maps title.<br />
<br>Add "First printing, November 1987" and no number line comment.<br />
<br>Change page count to [8]+376<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:48, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: No problem with this type of edit. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:33, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== A Cold Wind from Orion ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?371 A Cold Wind from Orion], do you mind if I add notes "First Edition: September 1980", No printer's key., and "Cover art by Atila Hega"? Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:41, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Go ahead. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:34, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Cabal ==<br />
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I added cover art credit to {{P|5865|The Cabal}} https://comicvine.gamespot.com/666-mark-of-the-beast-17/4000-248267/ is an example [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 22:30, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Project: Maldon ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?26805 Project: Maldon], is it OK for me to add the following notes before I PV?<br />
<br>"First printing, June 1997"<br />
<br>No printer's key.<br />
<br>"Cover art by Garry Ruddell" on the copyright page.<br />
<br>C$7.99 in Canada.<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:02, 19 February 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
: No problem. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 00:31, 21 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Radix ==<br />
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As there are no notes for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27260 Radix], I would like to add the following ones before I PV:<br />
<br>"Bantam Spectra edition / October 1985"<br />
<br>First printing per printer's key: O 0 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1<br />
<br>Cover artist credited in the "Acknowlegements" and per "Cover copyright © 1985 by Fred Marcellino" on the copyright page.<br />
<br>Map artist credited in the "Acknowlegements".<br />
<br>C$4.50 in Canada.<br />
<br><br />
<br>In addition:<br />
<br>Change page count to [12]+466<br />
<br>Add map title on page [12]<br />
<br>Add title "Appendix (Radix)" on page 449<br />
<br><br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:23, 19 February 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
: In general, I have no problem with adding information. Clashes we can work out. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 00:28, 21 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Skull Gate ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30717 Skull Gate], do you mind if I add the map on page 7 and some notes before I PV? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:25, 19 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Fine with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:20, 21 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Canby's Legion ==<br />
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Based on the title page for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6039 Canby's Legion], I think the publisher should be "Aspect / Warner Books" not just "Warner Books" since Aspect is on the title page as well as Warner Books. What do you think? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:09, 20 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: I agree. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:20, 21 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Devil and Deep Space Re: Wrong cover artist created ==<br />
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Hi. I have a sub on hold that shows the wrong artist is created on the copyright page. See mod note[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5231688]. If you follow the link to Matt Stawicki web page the image is signed below the knee. The cover image we have it is cut off above that point so it doesn't show. If there's no objection I'll change the credit with a note or you can. Thanks.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 23:09, 20 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Fine either way. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 00:28, 21 February 2022 (EST)<br />
::Cover artist update complete.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 17:08, 21 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Tomorrow and Tomorrow ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?279225; I added month from Archive.org copy of 1965 edition's copyright page. --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:53, 21 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Yaril’s Children ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55659 Yaril’s Children], I want to make the following changes before I PV:<br />
<br>Change page count to [10]+277<br />
<br>Add map title on page [10].<br />
<br>Would that be OK? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:16, 23 February 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
Sure. When adding the meta [10], I'd make sure that it sequences (using the | syntax) before the story start. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:13, 24 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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==Jim Butcher / Small Favor==<br />
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I am PVing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?254432 Small Favor]. I will add pub notes and the Author's Note to the Contents. No changes to the existing information. I will add the Author's Note (where applicable) to all succeeding 1st ed hc's of the Dresden Files series. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 11:50, 23 February 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Shroud of Shadow ==<br />
<br />
I added cover art credit to {{P|3037|Shroud of Shadow}} by Gael Baudino [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 00:54, 25 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Children of Anthi and The Omcri Matrix ==<br />
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Would you please look at the changes I'm proposing with these submissions for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5242631 The Children of Anthi] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5242633 The Omcri Matrix]. In particular, please see if your copy shows a "Stated 1st printing" line on the copyright page of each one. My copies do not. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 17:33, 25 February 2022 (EST)<br />
Ping [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 14:05, 27 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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: I'd say "Printing not stated, no number line, assumed first printing" for each, and change their publishers to "Ace Science Fiction Books". --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 22:48, 27 February 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
==Jim Butcher / Brief Cases==<br />
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I am PVing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?661863 Brief Cases]. Will add Canadian price. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 18:48, 25 February 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
==Link to: Series Number of Dresden Files short fiction==<br />
<br />
Incidentally, while I'm here, you might be interested in this topic: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Series_Number_of_Dresden_Files_short_fiction Series Number of Dresden Files short fiction]. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 18:48, 25 February 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
== The Girl from the Emeraline Island ==<br />
<br />
Does your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?40611 The Girl from the Emeraline Island] show "First Edition: May 1984" and no number line on the copyright page? I want to replace the "1st printing" note with those notes, plus add the map title on page [9] and change the page count to [10]+274 before I PV. Would that be OK? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:49, 26 February 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
: I agree. I've taken to using something like: "Printing not stated, no number line, assumed first printing". --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:03, 26 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Boyer book changes ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?217289 The Sword and the Satchel], if it's OK with you I'd like to replace "1st printing" with "First Edition: May 1980" and "No printer's key or printing statement so first printing assumed". I'd also like to change the page count to [6]+312.<br />
<br />
: Sure. While checking, I decided to refresh the cover image with a better scan. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:24, 1 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?217293 The Thrall and the Dragon's Heart], if it's OK with you I'd like to replace "Stated 1st printing" with "First Edition: September 1982" and "No printer's key or printing statement so first printing assumed". I'd also like to change the page count to [8]+294.<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:31, 28 February 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:24, 1 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Sword of Chaos ==<br />
<br />
Would you please look at your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34054 Sword of Chaos] and see if the title page actually reads "Sword of Chaos and Other Stories"? My first edition/first printing has that. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:51, 1 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
: Subtitle present. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:15, 1 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Patricia Bray changes ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?144371 Devlin's Honor] would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+390+[18] and add the map title on page [7]?<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?65483 Devlin's Justice] would you mind if I change the page count to [10]+388 and add the map title on page [9]?<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?144361 The First Betrayal] would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+342+[18] and add the map title on page [7]?<br />
<br><br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:21, 2 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:34, 2 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Marie Brennan titles ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?82324 Doppelganger], would you mind if I change the page count to [10]+422 and add the map on page [9]?<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?88073 Warrior and Witch], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+448 and add the map on page [7]?<br />
<br><br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:49, 3 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
: That's fine. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:20, 3 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Brokedown Palace ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?5548 Brokedown Palace], do you mind if I add "Ace Fantasy edition/January 1986" and "No printer's key" notes to this pub before I PV? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 18:08, 5 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
: Sure. I'd also change the publisher to "Ace Fantasy Books". --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 18:43, 5 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
== The Serpent and the Rose ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?222521 The Serpent and the Rose], would you mind if I add the map on [6] and change the page count to [6]+296? I'll also need to change the cover artist to just Donato then variant. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 06:52, 6 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
: Sure. I'd also change the publisher to 'Tor Fantasy'. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:08, 7 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
== The Empire Stone ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?39155 The Empire Stone], would you mind if I add the map on page [8] and change the page count to [10]+413? I'll also replace the Amazon cover and add notes. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:01, 7 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:07, 7 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Master of Hawks ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21619 Master of Hawks], do you mind if I add "First printing—July 1979" and "No printer's key" notes? 08:53, 8 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:21, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Furies of Calderon ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?70031 Furies of Calderon] do you mind if I change the page count to 594 and add the excerpt title on page 592? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:02, 8 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
: My copy has 504 pages, and no excerpt. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:23, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
::I mistyped. Mine has 504 with the "Academ's Fury" excerpt on pages 503-504. What's on your pages 503-504? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 16:32, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
::: Somehow the excerptness was invisible. Mine matches your suggestion (with the page # change). --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:47, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Figures of Earth ==<br />
<br />
Would you please look at your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13511 Figures of Earth] and see if the title of the essay on page xxv is actually "A Foreword"? Does page xxiii show "A Foreword" with a Latin quote and a dedication to Sinclair Lewis instead of the title "A Preface" as shown in the current pub record? That's how my copy reads. I believe the same title problem likely exists in the unPVed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?436624 Canadian pub] that shares the same catalog ID. I propose to edit the "Preface" title record used only by those two pubs and then merge it with the correct title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?738153 sic]. <br />
<br />
: My copy has "A Forward" with the Latin quote. <br />
::Page xxiii has "A Foreword" over "<i>Amoto quaeramus seria ludo</i>" over "To" over "Sinclair Lewis". Page xxv has simply "A Foreward" and that's what I would replace. Sorry for the confusion and my typing. Rtrace matches this and suggests that I do an advanced search merge rather than change the title record. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 16:44, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
::: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:49, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
I also want to add notes "First U.S. Printing: November, 1969", "No printer's key.", and "Ballentine Books edition printed from the <i>Storisende Edition</i>". Then I'll PV. What do you think? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:14, 8 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
: Printing change fine. Ballentine should be Ballantine. <br />
<br />
: PV ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:32, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Domnei / The Music from Behind the Moon ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10569 Domnei / The Music from Behind the Moon] do you mind if I replace "Stated first printing" with "First Printing: March, 1972" and "No printer's key"? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:27, 8 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
: Sounds good. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:33, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Zoboa ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?262859 Zoboa], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+430 and add the title for the unsigned maps on pages [6]-[8] before I PV? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:42, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
: Ok. I'd consider changing the publisher to "Baen Science Fiction Books" per the title page. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:34, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Exit Earth ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?12793 Exit Earth], would you mind if I replace the note "First printing" with notes "First printing, April 1987" and "No printer's key" before I PV? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:24, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Printing change ok. Publisher -> "Baen Books". --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:39, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Saturnalia ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?28940 Saturnalia], would you mind if I replaced "Stated 1st printing." with "First printing, January 1986" and "No printer's key."? I'll also replace the flagged Amazon image with a scanned one. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:33, 10 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
: Fine with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 04:38, 11 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Trudi Canavan titles ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?43631 The Magicians' Guild], do you mind if I change the page count to [10]+370 and add titles for the maps on [8], "Lord Dannyl's Guide to Slum Slang (The Magicians’ Guild)" on pg 366, and "Glossary (The Magicians’ Guild)" on pg 368?<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44760 The Novice], do you mind if I change the page count to [10]+465 and add titles for the maps on [8], "Lord Dannyl's Guide to Slum Slang (The Novice)" on pg 461, and "Glossary (The Novice)" on pg 463?<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41508 The High Lord], do you mind if I change the page count to [10]+531 and add titles for the maps on [8], "Lord Dannyl's Guide to Slum Slang (The High Lord)" on pg 527, and "Glossary (The High Lord)" on pg 529?<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?80892 Priestess of the White], do you mind if I change the page count to [10]+598 and add titles for the map on [8], "Glossary (Priestess of the White)" on pg 590, and "Last of the Wilds (excerpt)" on pg 593?<br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:54, 10 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Sure. Note that I've submitted edits for cover updates for all of these. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 05:02, 11 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Dark Lord of Pengersick ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37932 The Dark Lord of Pengersick], do you mind if I change the page count to [4]+169, add the map title on page [2], add the title "Glossary of People, Places, and Things (The Dark Lord of Pengersick) on page 169, and change the publisher to Ace Fantasy Books? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:29, 12 March 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
: That's fine. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:00, 12 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Down to a Sunless Sea ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10771 Down to a Sunless Sea], would you mind if I add the title "Author's Note (Down to a Sunless Sea)" on page 173? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:50, 13 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 01:25, 14 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Exiles at the Well of Souls ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?146081 Exiles at the Well of Souls], do you mind if I change the page count to xii+337, add title "About Time ..." on pg [xii], and import missing titles:<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1232675 Detail of Northern Hemisphere (map) (Exiles at the Well of Souls)] on pg ix<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1232676 Section of Southern Hemisphere (map) (Exiles at the Well of Souls)] on pg x<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1232677 Appendix: Races Referred to in Exiles at the Well of Souls] on pg 331<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?787725 About the Author (Exiles at the Well of Souls)] on pg 337<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:52, 15 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:50, 16 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Quest for the Well of Souls ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?146101 Quest for the Well of Souls], would you mind if I change the page count to xii+302+[1], add title "About the Author (Quest for the Well of Souls) on page [303], and import the following missing titles?<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1232679 The Wars of the Well, Part II (Quest for the Well of Souls)] on pg ix<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1776798 Section of Southern Hemisphere (map) (Quest for the Well of Souls)] on pg x<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1776797 Detail of Northern Hemisphere (map) (Quest for the Well of Souls)] on pg xii<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1776795 Appendix I: Races of the Southern Hemisphere (Quest for the Well of Souls)] on pg 293<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1776796 Appendix II: Races of the Northern Hemisphere (Quest for the Well of Souls)] on pg 300<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:13, 15 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:50, 16 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Return of Nathan Brazil ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?220113 The Return of Nathan Brazil], do you mind if I change the page count to ix+289+[2], add title "About the Author (The Return of Nathan Brazil)" on page [291], and add missing title:<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1776800 Section of Southern Hemisphere (map) (The Return of Nathan Brazil)] on page viii<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:45, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:48, 19 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Twilight at the Well of Souls ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?237673 Twilight at the Well of Souls: The Legacy of Nathan Brazil], do you mind if I change the page count to x+304+[1] and import missing title:<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1776800 Section of Southern Hemisphere (map) (The Return of Nathan Brazil)] on page viii<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:54, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:49, 19 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Jack Chalker: Four Lords of the Diamond ==<br />
<br />
In the Four Lords of the Diamond series, I would like to make the following changes:<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?278886 Lilith: A Snake in the Grass], change the page count to vi+248 and import the uncredited interior art title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1717806 The Warden Diamond] on page [vi].<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?283363 Cerberus: A Wolf in the Fold], change the page count to [8]+243 and import the uncredited interior art title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1717806 The Warden Diamond] on page [viii].<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?140701 Charon: A Dragon at the Gate], change the page count to [8]+289 and import the uncredited interior art title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1717806 The Warden Diamond] on page [viii].<br />
<br><br />
<br>Would that be OK? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:33, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:50, 19 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== War of the Maelstrom ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?53739 War of the Maelstrom], do you mind if I change the page count to viii+360 and add title "Prefatory Note (War of the Maelstrom)" on page vii? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:50, 19 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 01:11, 20 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Kelly Country ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19364 Kelly Country], do you mind if I add title "Afterword to U.S. Edition" on page 347 and change "1st printing" to "First printing per printer's key: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9" plus add "First DAW Printing, August 1985"? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:19, 20 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:19, 22 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Red Moon and Black Mountain ==<br />
<br />
Would you look at this multi-part change proposal [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace#Red_Moon_and_Black_Mountain here] on Rtrace's talk page and see if you have any objections? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:36, 20 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: I'm ok with the final results. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:19, 22 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Blue Hawk ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?231189 The Blue Hawk], would you mind if I replace the inaccurate note "Stated 1st printing" with notes "First Ballantine Books Edition: August 1977" and "No printer's key or printing statement."? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:19, 22 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sounds good. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:27, 22 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Prison Planet ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?26715 Prison Planet], would you mind if I change "Stated 1st printing, full number line" to two notes: "Ace edition/March 1989" and "First printing by full number line."? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:08, 24 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Fine with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 17:10, 24 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Six of Swords ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30647 Six of Swords], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+276 and import the map title on page [7]? I'll also add a scanned cover and a couple of other notes. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:21, 25 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:13, 25 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Keepers of Edanvant ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19343 Keepers of Edanvant], I'd like to make the following changes before PVing:<br />
<br>1. Change page count to [6]+346<br />
<br>2. Change the title for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1389038 map] from "Keepers of Edanvant (frontispiece)" to "Keepers of Edanvant (map)". It's definitely not a frontispiece.<br />
<br>3. Change the map page from bp to [6]<br />
<br>4. Add note "Both the title page and the cover show "Sword & Circlet 1" but this is the third book in the Sword & Circlet series."<br />
<br>5. Add notes for the cover artist and map artist.<br />
<br>Thanks!! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:39, 26 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br><br />
<br>I know I've been sending you a lot and I really appreciate your quick response but did you see this post and the next two as well? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 19:02, 30 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok with changes. I'll add a better cover scan. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 17:14, 4 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Semper Mars ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29576 Semper Mars], would you mind if I changed the page count to [6]+376 and add the uncredited map on page [6]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:52, 26 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 17:23, 4 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Warlord of Ghandor ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?53851 Warlord of Ghandor], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Add a title for the frontispiece art on pg [2]<br />
<br>2. Change "First Printing" to "FIRST PRINTING, AUGUST 1977" and "First printing per printer's key: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9"<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:25, 26 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. Just uploaded a new cover scan that's a bit better. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 17:28, 4 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Spellkey Trilogy ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?194797 The Spellkey Trilogy], would you mind if I change the page count to [6]+630 and add title "Author's Note (The Spellkey Trilogy)" on page [5]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:45, 26 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 20:23, 26 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Paula E. Downing titles ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?28221 Rinn's Star], would you mind if I replace "Stated 1st edition." with "First Edition: December 1990" and "No printer's key or printing statement."<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13906 Flare Star], would you mind if I replace "Stated 1st printing" with "First Edition: April 1992" and "No printer's key or printing statement.", change the page count to [6]+249, and add the map on page [5]?<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 16:35, 26 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok for both. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 20:24, 26 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Vettius and His Friends ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?53294 Vettius and His Friends], would you mind if I change the page count to 304+[8] and add missing title "Men Hunting Things (excerpt)" on page [309] before I PV? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:39, 28 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: No problem in general, but note that that excerpt has been labeled [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2903233 It's a Lot Like War (Men Hunting Things excerpt)] in other Baen publications. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:18, 29 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Oh, and I've submitted an edit that improves the cover image. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:19, 29 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Year of the Ransom in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?80820 Time Patrol] ==<br />
<br />
Hi! Depending on the outcome of [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Poul_Anderson.27s_The_Year_of_the_Ransom this thread] it seems that this fiction text is really a novella. So, don't be surprised that the OMNIBUS may have to be turned into a COLLECTION. Though I guess that ought to be done anyway? (Typically an OMNIBUS should have at least two booklength content titles, as was communicated quite recently). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:35, 30 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Dave Duncan titles ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21088 Magic Casement], would you mind if I change the page count to [12]+307 and add title "Magic Casement (maps)" by uncredited on page [11]? <br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?12999 Faery Lands Forlorn], would you mind if I change the page count to [12]+335 and add title "Faery Lands Forlorn (maps)" by uncredited on page [6]?<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29786 Shadow], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Replace "Stated 1st printing" with "First Edition: November 1987" and "No printer's key or printing statement"<br />
<br>2. Change the page count to [10]+276<br />
<br>3. Add title "Shadow (map)" on page [9]<br />
<br>4. Add title "Glossary (Shadow)" on page 273<br />
<br><br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:19, 30 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: All ok with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 18:46, 30 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Queen of Sorcery ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?228825 Queen of Sorcery], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+327 and import the missing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1396496 map title] on page [6]? I'll also add a scanned cover and several notes. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 06:45, 2 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 03:20, 4 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Warslayer ==<br />
<br />
I propose making multiple changes for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49663 The Warslayer]: <br />
<br>1. Title<br />
<br>. 1a. Change the pub title to "The Warslayer: The Incredibly True Adventures of Vixen the Slayer, The Beginning" to match the the title page and the WorldCat entries. The existing short form doesn't comply with the instructions in [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Regular_Titles this help].<br />
<br>. 1b. Remove the note starting with "Subtitled".<br />
<br>. 1c. Unmerge the 'long' pub title from the existing title then make the existing title a variant of the 'long' title since it is the earliest pub.<br />
<br><br />
: Ok. <br />
<br>2. Change page count to 312 to match the book.<br />
<br><br />
: Ok. <br />
<br>3. Essay<br />
<br>. 3a. Remove essay title "God’s Teeth! The Making of a Cult Phenomenon" and delete the associated title record. I don't think this is an actual piece written by Greg Cox since there is no copyright for it on the copyright page and it doesn't show in his bibliography on his website.<br />
<br>. 3b. Add note "Pages 1-5 of the book are a fictional essay titled "God’s Teeth! The Making of a Cult Phenomenon" purportedly by Greg Cox."<br />
<br><br />
: I just consider it part of the book. The page says "by Greg Cox", and I don't have a good reason to not believe it.<br />
<br>4. Replace the Amazon cover with this [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/4/4c/THWRSLYR2002.jpg scanned cover] that I already uploaded.<br />
<br><br />
: Ok. <br />
<br>5. Add notes:<br />
<br>"The title on the cover is "The Warslayer" [over] "An Incredibly True Adventure of Vixen the Slayer".<br />
<br>"Pages 288-312 are a fictional episode guide titled "VIXEN THE SLAYER: The Episode Guide (Season One)"".<br />
<br><br />
: Ok. <br />
<br>What do you think? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:46, 2 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
: As above. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 03:19, 4 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Sword of Shannara ==<br />
<br />
Hi Glenn -<br />
<br />
I'm going to add individual interior art items for each of the illustrations for Terry Brooks' ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?159571 The Sword of Shannara]''. I'm going to do individual records as some of them have been reprinted and I'd like to make the variant relationships. I'll also try to find a cover scan. I'd scan mine, but there are flaws. Please let me know if you have any objections to this. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:19, 2 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: My cover isn't any better. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 03:14, 4 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Year of the Warrior ==<br />
<br />
Hi Glen, you still need an entry in the content field of the title record [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?26876 here]. In this case, 2N. Here is the relevant [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:TitleFields:Content help] page. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:45, 2 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: I think I'll add the series name given on the title pages of the individual novels in <b>The Year of the Warrior</b>. (<b>Saga of Erling Skjalgsson</b>) and mark the contents "1,2". --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 03:10, 4 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Eldrie the Healer ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35544 Eldrie the Healer], would you mind if I change the page count to [10]+237 and add map title "Eldrie the Healer (map)" by uncredited on page [7]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:11, 3 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 03:07, 4 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Missing responses ==<br />
<br />
I suspect you missed seeing these three posts from March 26. I'd rather have your approvals/comments than go through the no response Mod Board procedure.<br />
<br />
[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:GlennMcG#Keepers_of_Edanvant Keepers of Edanvant]<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:GlennMcG#Semper_Mars Semper Mars]<br />
<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:GlennMcG#Warlord_of_Ghandor Warlord of Ghandor]<br />
<br />
[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:54, 4 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: You're right, I missed them. Answered at original entries. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 17:29, 4 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:16, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Art of the Sword ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35357 The Art of the Sword], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>Change the page count to [10]+262<br />
<br>Add essay title "Cast of Characters (The Art of the Sword)" on page [6]<br />
<br>Add map "The Art of the Sword (map) on page [8]<br />
<br>I'll also add some notes and replace the Amazon cover with a scanned cover.<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:27, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:07, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Mountains & Madness ==<br />
<br />
I'm confused by the inclusion of E. J. Cherhavy as a co-author of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18555 Mountains & Madness]. He's not referenced on the title page or the copyright page, in the [https://catalog.loc.gov/vwebv/search?searchArg=9780671721909&searchCode=ISBL&searchType=1 LCCN record], or the [https://www.worldcat.org/title/mountains-madness/oclc/28827888?referer=di&ht=edition WorldCat record]. The only reference I could find was in Locus1. I think his name should be removed from this pub record and a note added about the bad Locus1 reference. What so you think? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:03, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: My guess is that the 2nd author is from Mayfair Games. No idea how Locus figured it out. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:59, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
: And I've uploaded a better cover while checking it out. (edit submitted) --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:06, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::So should I remove it since it's not on title page and add the note? Or do we need to get a moderator opinion first? I have a couple of other notes to add as well as the LCCN and WorldCat IDs. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 18:12, 5 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Perhaps a moderator is appropriate. I'd guess that it could end up with this entry as a variant of the two author one. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 01:18, 6 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::I submitted this to the Help Desk [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Mountains_.26_Madness_author_problem here] for guidance. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:30, 6 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== A Lost Tale ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?811 A Lost Tale], would you mind if I change the page count to x+206, and add the title for "Author's Note (A Lost Tale)" on page vii? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:38, 6 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Seems like it should be 'ix+206' by the page rules. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:35, 7 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::You are correct. OK otherwise? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 18:21, 7 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 01:13, 8 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The People of the Mist ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?45199 The People of the Mist], would you mind if I replace "Stated 1st printing" with "First printing: December, 1973" and "No printer's key"? I also have a better scanned cover ready to upload. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:38, 8 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:46, 8 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Wizard's Ward ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?71640 The Wizard's Ward], I'd like to change the pub date to 2005-07-12 as stated on Amazon.com and add a source note. There's no stated source for the existing date. What do you think? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 13:23, 10 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 23:27, 10 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Darwath novels ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48627 The Time of the Dark], would you mind if I change the page count to [6]+263 and add the title "The Time of the Dark (map)" by Barbieri on page [6]? <br />
<br><br />
<br />
: Ok. <br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?231889 The Walls of Air], would you mind if I change the page count to [6]+297 and add the title "The Walls of Air (maps)" by uncredited on page [5]? I'll also add a scanned cover.<br />
<br><br />
: Sure. Might also add the map on page 3.<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?227885 The Armies of Daylight], would you mind if I change the page count to [6]+309 and add the title "The Armies of Daylight (map) by uncredited on page [5]? I'll also add a scanned cover.<br />
<br><br />
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: Sure. <br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:05, 11 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 03:02, 12 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Songs of Muad'Dib ==<br />
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Glenn, any objections to me adding the contents to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?31232 Songs of Muad'Dib]? Since my source is The Locus Index, I would appreciate you checking for any discrepancies after I finish. I would also like to remove the note regarding the cover art, then credit it to 'Frederic Marvin'. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:06, 11 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:34, 12 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Hopefully, there aren't too many title or page number differences. I still need to add original publication notes, but that will not trigger any more 'My Changed Primary Verifications' alerts. Thanks for you help. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:02, 12 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Both the TOC and the titles on the Poem pages 7 & 8 are labeled "A Song of the New Ireland". The titles entered in the record are actually the respective first lines of each poem. <br />
::: Page 31 is titled "Untitled". Title given is the first line.<br />
::: Page 33 is titled "Untitled Haiku", etc<br />
::: Page 34 is titled "Untitled Haiku (About Brian)" ...<br />
::: Page 43 is titled "Untitled Haiku" ...<br />
::: Page 44 is titled "Untitled Haiku" ...<br />
::: Page 61 is titled "A Song of Muad'Dib"<br />
::: Page 71 is titled "A Song of Muad'Dib"<br />
::: Page 78 is titled "Katsuk's Prayer"<br />
::: Page 109–111 is an essay titled "Bibliography/Notes".<br />
<br />
::: --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 00:26, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: I was hoping they would just use the first lines for the untitled works. The title on page 78 will have to stay "Katsuk's Prayer [1]". When content is repeated in a publication, it requires disambiguation and a variant due to software limitations. I'll make the necessary changes. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 07:31, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::: Let me know if my assumption re: Katsuk's Prayer is incorrect. If it is a different poem, with the same name, I need to break the variant and make a slight change to the note. Either way, the disambiguation is necessary. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:47, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: In general, they did use a quoted version of the first line of the poems that were untitled.<br />
::: The "Katskuk's Prayer on 39 starts "Raven, Raven, keep the edge on my hate.". The one on 78 begins with "O, Life Giver". I noted 78 above just to be complete, but knew it was to disambiguate. <br />
::: --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:32, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Done! Always enjoy working with you. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:08, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Why the mix of square brackets and parenthesis for the disambiguation? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:41, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: I don't know why they used square brackets for the two titles on pages 7 & 8. I can comment on how untitled poetry is generally handled if you are interested [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:55, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Greyfax Grimwald ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?16033 Greyfax Grimwald], would you mind if I import the title "Greyfax Grimwald (maps)" [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1150667] for the maps that start on page 5? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:27, 19 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 21:12, 19 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Cat Scratch Fever ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6348 Cat Scratch Fever], would you mind if I change the page count to 376+[2] and add the Author's Note on page [377]? I'll also replace the Amazon cover. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:47, 19 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 21:10, 19 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Silver Moons, Black Steel ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30495 Silver Moons, Black Steel], would it be OK to change the page count to 434+[6] and add titles "Author's Note" on page 430 and "Wolfwalker (excerpt)" on page [435]? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:20, 19 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 21:11, 19 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Alternate Names in Interviews ==<br />
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Just a reminder, please use the canonical name in the <b>interviewee</b> field, even if the interview title uses an alternate name (there is no way to variant). The interview in your verified pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?5604 Brothers in Arms] needs to be corrected. While you're there, the same alternate name [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?7231 Ben Weaver] has a title which needs to be made a variant. Ignore this if you have already handled them. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:45, 19 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Edits submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 21:08, 19 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Gauntlet of Malice ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?40452 The Gauntlet of Malice], would you mind if I make the following changes:<br />
<br>1. Change page count to xv+336<br />
<br>2. Add title "Foreword (The Gauntlet of Malice)" on page vi which is a fictional in-world essay.<br />
<br>3. Add title "Cast of Characters (The Gauntlet of Malice)" on page xii<br />
<br>4. Add scanned cover [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/8/8b/BKTG05558.jpg]<br />
<br>5. Import title "The Gauntlet of Malice (map)" [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2026242 here] on page [xiv]<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:18, 19 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 21:09, 19 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Spiral of Fire ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?31744 Spiral of Fire], would you mind if I change the page count to [10]+468 and add title "Spiral of Fire (map)" on page [6] and title "Cast of Characters (Spiral of Fire) on page [9]? I'll also add a scanned cover. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:06, 20 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 03:07, 22 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Stonehenge: Where Atlantis Died ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?226769 Stonehenge: Where Atlantis Died], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. import "Afterword (Stonehenge: Where Atlantis Died)" [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1910796 1910796] on page 307<br />
<br>2. add "Selected Readings (Stonehenge: Where Atlantis Died)" by uncredited on page 345<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:17, 21 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok.<br />
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== ''Seaborn'' cover artist ==<br />
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Hi. I changed "Timonthy" to "Timothy" in the cover artist credit in you verified {{P|250303|Seaborn}}. If it wasn't a typo, let me know and I'll revert it (I only noticed because I was dealing with various Lantz credits). Thanks --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:54, 23 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: 'Timothy' is correct per copyright page and back cover. I've submitted an edit adding some copyrights to the notes. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:33, 25 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Fanuilh ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13202 Fanuilh], would you mind if change the page count to [8]+259 and add the uncredited map title on page [6]? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:12, 3 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:33, 4 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Heart of Light ==<br />
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Would you please look at your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?240185 Heart of Light] and see if the excerpt on page [507] is actually for "Soul of Fire" like it is in my copy? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:07, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Yep... probably a copy-paste thinko. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:05, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Heroing: or, How He Wound Down the World ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?16971 Heroing: or, How He Wound Down the World], would you mind if I change the page count to 346, change the publisher to Baen Books, add a "No printer's key" note, and add the essay title "Afterward" on page [346] with a misspelling note? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:58, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I'd change the page count to '345+[1]'. I'm less certain about the publisher change. The 'Baen Books' in a hexagon on the title page isn't present, which was the criteria that I used to change Baen to Baen Books. There was a discussion about how to partition somewhere on the help pages. Otherwise, ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:04, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::I can't find the Baen discussion so I'll leave it alone. I was basing my potential change on the copyright page since there was nothing on the title page. I agree about the page count but it took re-reading the how-to a couple of times to see why! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:08, 6 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk/archives/archive_34#Baen_vs_Baen_Books_publishers Baen vs Baen Books publishers]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:19, 6 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Pressure Man ==<br />
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Glenn, I approved the replacement of the unstable cover image in your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?212385 verified] pub. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:02, 5 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Celestial Hit List ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6473 Celestial Hit List], the spelling of the cover artist is "Vincent DiFate" on the copyright page but is "Vincent Di Fate" in the pub record. I just submitted changes to make the pub record match the copyright page value and will make the new cover title record a variant of the existing cover art title record. Let me know if this is a problem. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:57, 7 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:19, 26 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Ian Irvine titles ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1113 A Shadow on the Glass], would it be OK if I:<br />
<br>Change the page count to [14]+654+[1]<br />
<br>Change the map start page to [10]<br />
<br>Add essay title "Glossary of Characters, Names and Places (A Shadow on the Glass)" on page 642<br />
<br>Add essay title "Guide to Pronunciation" on page [655]<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48763 The Tower on the Rift], would it be OK if I:<br />
<br>Add essay title "Glossary of Characters, Names and Places (The Tower on the Rift)" on page 643<br />
<br>Add essay title "Guide to Pronunciation (The Tower on the Rift)" on page [659]<br />
<br><br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:51, 8 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:02, 9 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== J. V. Jones titles ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35497 The Baker's Boy], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+552 and import the map title on page [8]?<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?827 A Man Betrayed], would you mind if I change the page count to [6]+598 and add the map title "A Man Betrayed (map)" on page [6]?<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21607 Master and Fool], would it be OK if I make the following changes?<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [10]+645+16<br />
<br>2. Change the start page number for "The Barbed Coil (excerpt)" to 3 and add the note "The book ends on page 645. The page numbers restart from 1 for "The Barbed Coil" excerpt."<br />
<br>3. Add title "Master and Fool (map)" by uncredited on page [8]<br />
<br><br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:52, 12 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Since all the maps are the same, perhaps merging them down to "The Book of Words (map)". Otherwise, ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:43, 13 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Merge? ==<br />
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Hi Glenn - can you have a look [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#To_merge_or_not_to_merge.3F here] and let us know if these are merge candidates? If not, can you add notes to the title records as why they shouldn't be merged? Thanks in advance, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 14:35, 15 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: See answer at link. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:05, 26 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Excerpts ==<br />
<br />
Consider adding a note on all excerpts indicating what the excerpt consists of. It will help with situations like the previous post. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:07, 19 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Noted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:18, 26 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Idylls of the Queen ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?247173 The Idylls of the Queen], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+341 and add the title "Foreword (The Idylls of the Queen)" on page [7]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:25, 22 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:11, 26 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Unicorn Quest ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49101 The Unicorn Quest], would you mind if I add the map on page 3 and a scanned cover? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:05, 23 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:13, 26 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Starbright ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?32911; I added cover artist from recently uploaded copy on Archive.org; it's Hejja like other editor's note thought it was. --[[User:Username|Username]] 00:54, 24 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:14, 26 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Sword and the Tower ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48221 The Sword and the Tower], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+216 and add the map on page [7]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:34, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:18, 26 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Fire in the Mist ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13622 Fire in the Mist], would you mind if I change the page count to [6]+291, import the map title on page [5], add the title "Glossary of Odd or Foreign Terms (Fire in the Mist)" on page 283, and change the publisher to Baen Fantasy? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:04, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: My copy has the map on page [6]. Otherwise, ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 17:22, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::The map is indeed on page [6]. I had it right in my notes and mistyped it here. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 21:58, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Mind of the Magic ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?22244 Mind of the Magic], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [10]+305<br />
<br>2. Change the page for the map title to [9]<br />
<br>3. Add note "The map on page [9] is uncredited and has no signature but is the same as the map credited to Ellen Kostyk in <i>Fire in the Mist</i>."<br />
<br>4. Add essay title "Glossary (Mind of the Magic)" by uncredited on page 295<br />
<br><br>I'd also like to change the author for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2832900 map title] to Ellen Kostyk.<br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:07, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 17:23, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Memory of Fire ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44032 Memory of Fire], would you mind if I add the essay on page 350 as "Author's Endnote (Memory of Fire)" and the fictional interview on page 353 as "Interview with a Dragon"? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:32, 28 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:00, 28 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Ice & Iron ==<br />
<br />
Added some notes to your PVd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?88943 Ice & Iron].[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 19:00, 28 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Watchtower ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?188549 Watchtower], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [12]+226<br />
: Ok. <br />
<br>2. Add interiorart title "Watchtower (map)" by uncredited on page [7]<br />
: Ok. <br />
<br>3. Add interiorart title "Watchtower" by uncredited on page [9]<br />
: Seems like it should be something like "Plan of Tornor Keep (diagram)".<br />
<br>4. Add essay title "Appendix: The Cards of Fortune (Watchtower)" by uncredited on page 223<br />
: Ok. <br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 16:17, 30 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
: --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:17, 31 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Third Eagle ==<br />
<br />
On the title page of my copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48488 The Third Eagle] there is what looks like a subtitle under the drawing. Based on this, I would like to change the title to "The Third Eagle: Lessons Along a Minor String". The record for the Doubleday hardcover edition has this subtitle and this pub is stated as being the complete text of that edition. Would it be OK to make the change? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:25, 31 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:17, 31 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Kothar ==<br />
<br />
I replaced unstable Amazon cover of Belmont edition of Conjurer's Curse with Bookscans.com cover, and this, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38734, with current Amazon cover that's stable and looks better. --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:41, 2 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Earth Logic ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?70029 Earth Logic], would you mind if I change the page count to [12]+436 and add the map title on page [11]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 16:34, 9 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 13:17, 10 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Dragonflight ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?272328 Dragonflight], would you mind if I change the page count to x+309, add Gino D'Achille as the cover artist, add note "Cover Art by Gino D'Achille" from the copyright page, and change the start page to "ix"? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 06:47, 13 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Generally ok, but I'm a bit torn about changing the start page to the in-story introduction. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 20:34, 13 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::Good point. I just looked at it some more and think that instead of changing the start page, I should just import the Introduction [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1005856 essay title] and place it on page ix. Since the Introduction is listed in the ToC, that would likely be a better solution. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 18:18, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Dragonseye ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?11288 Dragonseye], would you mind if I import the map by Shelly Shapiro on page [vi]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:23, 13 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 20:35, 13 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Masterharper of Pern ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?319595 The Masterharper of Pern], would you mind if I change the page count to [10]+422 and change the page for the map to [8]? I'll also remove the invalid LCCN reference and replace it with a note. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:51, 13 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 20:36, 13 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== For the Witch of the Mists ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?275334; I replaced unstable Amazon image with Bookscans image; it's a bit clearer. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:06, 13 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
: I replaced Bookscans image with FantLab image, which shows the full wraparound cover art. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:47, 9 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Skies of Pern ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?47388 The Skies of Pern], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [12]+456+[11]<br />
<br>2. Import title "Ninth Pass Pern (map)" on page [10]<br />
<br>3. Import title "The Physics of Pern" on page [457]<br />
<br>4. Add new title "Dragondex (The Skies of Pern)" on page [463]<br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:24, 16 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:54, 17 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Dragonsblood ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?228365 Dragonsblood], I'd like to change the page count to xiii+452+[7]; the current Roman numeral count doesn't account for the map and the unnumbered count at the end is wrong by current standards. I'd also like to import the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1581579 map] title on page [xii] and add a couple of notes. What do you think? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:04, 17 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:13, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Fool's Run ==<br />
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Cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?14114 this] is Geoff Taylor (same as paperbackedition). Credited [http://www.geofftaylor-artist.com/galleries/cover-art/art/fools-run">here] --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 15:00, 18 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Thlassa Mey series ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13993 Flight to Thlassa Mey], would you mind if I change the page count to [10]+319 and change the map page location to [6]?<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?53920 Warriors of Thlassa Mey], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+337 and change the map page location to [6]?<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20756 Lords of Thlassa Mey], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+294 and change the map page location to [6]?<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1587 Across the Thlassa Mey], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+247 and change the map page location to [6]?<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35993 The Birth of the Blade], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+277 and add the map on page [6]?<br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 17:59, 18 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:10, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Antares Dawn ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2826 Antares Dawn], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [8]+310<br />
<br>2. Add a scanned cover<br />
<br>3. Add the map on page [7] as "Foldspace Chart: Antares Cluster/Napier Sector (map)" by Shelly Shapiro along with a note about the map artist.<br />
<br>4. Remove the invalid LCCN from External and add appropriate note.<br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:23, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:07, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Quest of the Dark Lady ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?181489; I subbed Bookscans' cover for Amazon's. --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:36, 19 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Gambler's Fortune ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?40306 The Gambler's Fortune], would you mind if I change the page count to [10]+518 and add the map on page [8]? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:59, 20 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 03:33, 22 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Assassin's Edge ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3226 The Assassin's Edge], would you mind if I change the page count to [12]+514 and add the map on page [8]? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:20, 20 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 03:33, 22 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Beachhead Planet ==<br />
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You need to gain concurrance from [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Kraang Kraang] for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5345522 this edit]. He will probably approve the submission as soon as he sees your note. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:36, 20 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Iron Tower Trilogy ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37970 The Dark Tide], would you mind if I add the essay title "Journal Notes (The Dark Tide)" on page [xi] and the map title "The Dark Tide (map)" on page [xiv]? I'll also replace the Amazon cover.<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30069 Shadows of Doom], would you mind if I add the map title "Shadows of Doom (map)" on page [xiv]? I'll also replace the Amazon cover with a scanned cover.<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38003 The Darkest Day], would you mind if I change the page count to [12]+302 and add the map title "The Darkest Day (map) on page [10]? Even though the ToC has a Roman numeral for the map page number, I think I should use an Arabic number since there are no printed Roman page numbers.<br />
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<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:50, 21 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I'd think you'd want to add the maps as a shared record. Perhaps something like "A Part of Mithgar (Iron Tower Trilogy map)". As for the Roman vs. Arabic unnumbered pages, it seems a bit obscure. What do you think of using [x] instead? I'd at least note it. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 03:41, 22 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::Sigh. I somehow missed the title on the maps so I'll create the shared map title. As to the page number for the map, I'll use the decimal but create a note. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:31, 22 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Trek to Kraggen-Cor ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?16363 Trek to Kraggen-Cor], would you mind if I add the essay "Journal Notes (Trek to Kraggen-Cor)" on page xi and the map "The Brega Path (map)" on page [14]? The map page number could also be rendered as [xiv] since there are no printed page numbers on the pages between xi and 17. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:29, 23 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Seems like it should be Roman, as it's pre-story. Otherwise, ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:28, 24 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Riddle-Master of Hed ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?827576 The Riddle-Master of Hed], would you mind if I add the essay title "People and Places (The Riddle-Master of Hed)" on page 223? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:11, 23 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:27, 24 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Siege of Orbitor ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?188349; I added month (October); Newman mentions it on his old Tripod site. --[[User:Username|Username]] 08:42, 24 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Starship Death ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?242529; I added OL ID and replaced cover with SF-Encyclopedia.com cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:04, 24 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Helix and the Sword ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?8913 The Helix and the Sword], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Add the interiorart title "The Helix and the Sword (maps)" on page xiii<br />
<br>2. Add the essay "Chronology (The Helix and the Sword)" on page xv<br />
<br>3. Add the essay "Introduction (The Helix and the Sword)" on page xxi<br />
<br>4. Add the essay title "Glossary (The Helix and the Sword)" on page 264<br />
<br>5. Add a scanned cover<br />
<br>6. Add notes about the untitled fictional letter on page vii, the Chronology, and the Introduction.<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:43, 24 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:26, 24 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Larry Niven / Ringworld ==<br />
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I am PVing and editing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?28210 Ringworld]. I will add a couple of notes: 1) source of the "First Edition" statement - Currey 2) derivation of the ISBN from the SBN. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 16:16, 24 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Gate Thief ==<br />
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I've replaced the Amazon image with a scan for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?435353 this] pub. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 16:52, 24 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Crucible of Gold (Novik) ==<br />
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I've also replaced the Amazon image for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?410619 this] pub. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 16:59, 24 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Jitterbug ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19004 Jitterbug], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [8]+422+[1]<br />
<br>2. Add title "Western Sector: America (map)" on page [6]<br />
<br>3. Add title "Eastern Sector (map) on page [7]<br />
<br>4. Add essay title "Glossary (Jitterbug)" on page 407<br />
<br>5. Add essay title "Appendix 1: Brief History of the World" on page 412<br />
<br>6. Add essay title "Appendix 2: Memo" on page 415<br />
<br>7. Add interiorart title "Appendix 3: Chain of Command (org chart)" on page 420<br />
<br>8. Add interiorart title "Caricature of Mike McQuay" by Mel White on page [423]<br />
<br>Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:18, 25 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:51, 27 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Larry Niven / Limits ==<br />
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I am PVing and editing the US version of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?248393 Limits]. The ISFDb pub record has the story "Folk Tale" on p205, whereas in my copy of the book it is "Table Manners" both on p205 and in the TOC. The latter is a variant title of the former. Can you please check your copy and advise. If it is consistent with mine then I will make the appropriate change. I have posted this note on the talk pages of Willem H, Dirk P Broer & GlennMcG. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 16:50, 27 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: My copy has "FOLK" over "TALE" on p205, and "Folk Tale" in the TOC. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:29, 27 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::We have a conclusion so I am posting this note on all your talk pages (Willem H, Dirk P Broer and GlennMcG). It is quite bizarre: there are two versions of the first printing. Willem H and GlennMcG have the version with "Folk Tale" on p205 whereas Dirk P Broer and I have the version with "Table Manners" on p205. I will clone the existing record, alter it to show the "Table Manners" title and add a pub note explaining the difference between the two versions. Then I will edit the original record and add a corresponding pub note. This should help to prevent a future editor thinking that these are duplicate records and deleting one of them. Thank you all for your help in resolving this matter. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 16:42, 30 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Warrior and the Witch ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49619 The Warrior and the Witch], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [xiv]+226<br />
<br>2. Add title "Author's Note (The Warrior and the Witch)" on page [vii]<br />
<br>3. Add title "Newport (maps)" on page [x]<br />
<br>4. Add title "East of the Sea (map)" on page [xiv]<br />
<br>5. Add title "Appendix One: Chronology on page 217<br />
<br>6. Add title "Appendix Two: Wentletrap's Dynasty (genealogy table) on page 220<br />
<br>7. Add title "Appendix Three: The Holy Family" on page 221<br />
<br>8. Add title "Index of Names (The Warrior and the Witch)" on page 222<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:56, 28 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Innocent Mage ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?246949 The Innocent Mage], would you mind if I change the page count to [10]+642+[18] and import the map title "The Kingdom or Lur" on page [6]? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:15, 28 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:58, 1 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Awakened Mage ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?246953 The Awakened Mage], would you mind if I change the page count to [10]+712+[12] and correct the start page numbers? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:30, 28 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Mostly ok, but the page # corrections play into a sort of gray area for page numbering (at least for me). I'd leave the main story on page 1, it points at the 'part one', not the additional main title page. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 17:05, 1 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Crystal Warriors ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37703; I replaced "P" cover with similar OL cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:40, 4 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Starfish cover ==<br />
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Things are a bit chaotic as far as my book storage goes, but I just found my copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?257488 Starfish], and yes, silver ink background to the title of the book. I hope that answers your question. By the way, I've been meaning to read this novel, is it any good? [[User:MLB|MLB]] 20:42, 4 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: I'm afraid I haven't read it. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:37, 7 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Mace of Souls ==<br />
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Hi. For {{P|43451}}, my copy has "First Avon Books Printing: 1991" (a decade after the current record). I expect this is simply a typo, but would you mind checking your copy, please?--[[User:AliHarlow|AliHarlow]] 05:48, 7 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: You're right, it's a typo. 1991 is correct. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:37, 7 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Passport to Eternity ==<br />
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Added a note to your PVd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25682 Passport to Eternity].[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 17:00, 18 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Star Surgeon ==<br />
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I've imported the cover credit for Mel Hunter for the SFBC edition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?838982 Star Surgeon] from the first edition. [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] 21:29, 19 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Meeting of the Waters ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44014 The Meeting of the Waters], would you mind if if change the page count to [10]+593, add the Author's Note title on page [9], and add the map title on page [10]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:50, 21 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:48, 22 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Sundering Flood ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48137 The Sundering Flood], would you mind if I change the page count to xv+238 and add the uncredited map on page [xv]? The current Roman numeral page count is incorrect since the last printed page number is xiii not xii. I'll also add cover artist, map artist, and ISBN/SBN notes. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:05, 23 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 12:55, 26 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Lady Blade ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19819; OL ID, OL cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] 12:35, 23 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== A Dirge for Sabis ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?482 A Dirge for Sabis], would you mind if I change the page count to [6]+393 and add the map title on page [5]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:26, 24 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 20:46, 24 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Dark of the Moon ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8901 Dark of the Moon], the cover art is currently attributed to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?106181 Heffernan]. I'm virtually certain that this is actually an alternate name for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?25927 David Heffernan] -- the block letter signature on Dark of the Moon closely matches the block letter signature on my copy of [Caught in Crystal]; and the cover art for Yngwie Malmsteen's album Trilogy ([https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71-bKDA3YzL._SL1395_.jpg front] [https://albumartexchange.com/covers/536219-trilogy-back back] has a signature on the front that matches Dark of the Moon even more closely, and has an explicit David Heffernan credit on the back. Assuming that this holds up, what would be the best way of handling it? I had initially submitted an edit to the cover artist entry on Dark of the Moon, but as I think about it, would it make more sense to link the two artist records? Or to leave the artist name alone and mention it in a note? Or to ...?<br />
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Thanks! [[User:Joe H.|Joe H.]] 11:21, 25 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Previous editors didn't give the source of the cover artist credit. However, the cover clearly has a Herffernan signature, so the attribution seem correct, but a note should have been added giving its source. (I can do so, if you'd like).<br />
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:: Yes, if you could, that'd be great. I'll withdraw my current edit.<br />
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: It doesn't seem unlikely that a artist credit could appear both with and without a first name. It seems better to me to link the two artist records, but you could always bring it up on the wiki help page for more authoritative guidance. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 12:23, 26 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Yes, that makes sense. I'll see what they have to say. Thanks! [[User:Joe H.|Joe H.]] 11:08, 27 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== God Stalk ==<br />
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Also, I was looking at my copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15616 God Stalk] and it looks like this is another [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?106181 Heffernan] cover -- on the very bottom right-hand corner, when I looked with a magnifying glass and a flashlight, I could make out a partial signature that again matches the block letter Heffernan signature on Dark of the Moon et al. Again, I'm not sure of the best way to handle this -- just document in a note, or ...?<br />
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Thanks! [[User:Joe H.|Joe H.]] 11:21, 25 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: My copy seems to have a complete 'HEFFERNAN' signature on the cover, albeit somewhat blurry. I'd credit as the single name, and note it, as per the help info for cover artist edits. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 12:41, 26 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: OK, I'll do that. Again, thanks! [[User:Joe H.|Joe H.]] 11:09, 27 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== First Truth ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13841 First Truth], would you mind if I change the page count to [12]+336 and add the map on page [5]? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:52, 27 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 22:54, 31 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Star Web ==<br />
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Added cover artist to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?32888 Star Web] and modified associated note. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:11, 29 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Species Imperative ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?68985 Survival], would you mind if I change the page count to x+483 to match the book? I'll also add the WorldCat ID and replace the Amazon cover. <br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?82172 Migration], would you mind if I change the page count to x+527 to match the book? I'll also add the WorldCat ID and replace the Amazon cover. <br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:16, 30 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 22:56, 31 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Starfollowers of Coramonde ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?255082 The Starfollowers of Coramonde], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [6]+361<br />
<br>2. Import the map title (record 1406573) on page [6] plus fix the map title date<br />
<br>3. Replace "Stated 1st printing" with "First Edition: February 1979" and "No printer's key so first printing assumed." notes.<br />
<br>4. Add LCCN<br />
<br>5. Add notes for cover artist, map artist, LCCN<br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 13:10, 30 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 22:58, 31 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== test math input ==<br />
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== The Regiment's War ==<br />
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I submitted a change for the page count on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?46001 The Regiment's War] to match the last printed page number. Once approved it will match the LCCN and WorldCat data. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:10, 31 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Moonheart: A Romance ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?22754 Moonheart: A Romance], would you mind if I add the Author's Note on page 479 and the Appendix on page 481? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 15:05, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 22:00, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Greenmantle ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?16001 Greenmantle], would you mind if I import the Author's Note (title record 1719684) on page 328? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 15:27, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 21:59, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Sorcery and Cecelia: An Epistolary Fantasy ==<br />
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I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5380088 this submission] on hold. Shouldn't the other two titles be variants of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3064231 Sorcery and Cecelia: An Epistolary Fantasy]? Only reason I looked for this submission is because I was reviewing your earlier edits when Ron approved them. Thanks [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:41, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: ahh.. I added the variant based on which title was entered earlier, rather than published. Also, it's seems odd that the other longer 'chocolate pot' publications names don't match <br />
shorter title record. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 18:55, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Subtitles in some of the publication titles, not in the title record. Do you want to change your submission(s)? If so, I'll approve them. Looks like one title record will need a date change too. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:05, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Should subtitles drive varianting? I guess I don't quite understand when it's ok to have a title with various publication names, vs. varianting. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 19:33, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Date determines the parent. 'Sorcery and Cecelia: An Epistolary Fantasy' published in 1988 is the oldest. 'Sorcery and Cecelia or The Enchanted Chocolate Pot' title date is 2003, it is a variant. I would correct the title record to 2003-05-00, add the subtitle, and variant. Sorcery & Cecelia or The Enchanted Chocolate Pot only needs to have the parent variant record number changed from 6862 to 3064231. I will release the hold if you disagree. If you agree, I'll approve the changes. No problem either way. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:58, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Please go ahead. (I'm off for a week on vacation). --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 21:52, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Prince of Ill Luck ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?45593 The Prince of Ill Luck]. I changed the note "1st edition as per number line" to a quoted edition note and a no number line note. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:07, 4 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Looks good. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:04, 11 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Purple Pirate ==<br />
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Do you know a reason as to why [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?274785 this] publication has not been included in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?23865 this] series given it's published by Zebra Books/Kensington Publishing Corp. and has "Volume 4" prominently on the cover ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 14:37, 4 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Not really. In fact, in my own personal catalog, I have it as volume 4 of 'Tros of Samothrace'. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:02, 11 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Possible Database Typose ==<br />
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Can you double check these possible database typos?<br />
* dispair - {{T|3044618|City of Hope & Dispair (excerpt)}} in {{P|327912|City of Dreams & Nightmare}}<br />
* habeus - {{T|2957630|Habeus Corpses (excerpt)}} in {{P|72833|Dead on My Feet}}<br />
Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:59, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Both typos. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 13:53, 11 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Fixed, thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:52, 11 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Course of Empire ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?68663 The Course of Empire], would you mind if I import the following titles?<br />
<br>On page [5] "Cast of Characters (The Course of Empire)"<br />
<br>On page 654 "Glossary of Jao Terms (The Course of Empire)"<br />
<br>On page 657 "Appendix A: The Ekhat (The Course of Empire)"<br />
<br>On page 663 "Appendix B: Interstellar Travel (The Course of Empire)"<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 09:37, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 13:52, 11 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Fata Morgana ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?128641 The Fata Morgana], would you mind if I change the page count to 313+[1] and add the Author's note on page [314]? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 21:52, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:34, 15 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Man Whose Name Wouldn't Fit ==<br />
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?196257; I added Luminist PDF and entered the whole ID, 123-07020-075. EDIT: My edit was rejected because mod claimed only 07020 needed to be entered, and then mod made their own edit adding the PDF I found. I pointed out that publisher Curtis Books has about five dozen other ISFDB entries where the whole ID was entered, but whether any mods are going to respond to that or decide which way of entering the ID is actually correct remains to be seen. --[[User:Username|Username]] 15:19, 15 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5710577; Subtitle entered in note should be part of title according to mod. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:46, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Edmund Cooper / Deadly Image ==<br />
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Posted on the talk pages of: Willem H, GlennMcG, Spacecow <br> I will be editing and PVing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?9422 Deadly Image] and propose to: <br> 1) update date to 1958-05-00, add pub note stating source which is the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?205393 1969 Ballantine second printing] and update date on title and coverart records <br> 2) add pub note advising that the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?293455 1958 UK Hutchinson hc] states that it is preceded by this edition <br> 3) delete the Clute/Nichols (sic) reference in accordance with my post: 'Clute/Nicholls and "First Edition"' on the Moderators' Noticeboard dated 3 April 2022 (now archived) <br> Are you ok with all this? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 18:11, 15 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:10, 16 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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==Edmund Cooper / Tomorrow's Gift==<br />
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Posted on the talk pages of: Kraang, Willem H, Dirk P Broer, GlennMcG, Spacecow <br> I will be editing and PVing [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?189277 Tomorrow's Gift] <br> 1) the pub record has a contents entry "Brain Child". This matches the TOC but the title of the story on page 63 is "The Brain Child" <br> 2) the pub record has a contents entry "M81-Ursa Major". This matches the TOC but the title of the story on page 95 is "M81: Ursa Major" <br> I will make the appropriate corrections and add pub notes regarding the discrepancies with the TOC [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 17:56, 16 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Instrument of Fate ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18319 Instrument of Fate], do you mind if I change the page count to [8]+293 and add the map title on page [7]? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 06:49, 19 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:47, 20 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Shrine of the Desert Mage ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30373 Shrine of the Desert Mage], would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+243 and add the map on page [8]? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:27, 19 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:48, 20 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Gatekeepers ==<br />
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Would you please look at your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?40407 The Gatekeepers] and see if the title on page [7] is "Preface" not "Introduction"? I'd like to change title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?980592] to "Preface (The Gatekeepers)". I know that title is also part of the hardcover edition verified by the inactive KPulliam but it's highly unlikely that there would be a difference in titles between the hardcover and the paperback editions. I'd also like to change the page count to [8]+456. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:40, 19 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: My copy has 'Preface'. (Introduction probably came from the front cover). Ok with page count. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:56, 20 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: I added the Open Library link to the hc. The archive has a scanned copy of the first printing. It confirms 'Preface'. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:20, 22 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== God Game ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15603 God Game], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Add the map on page 308.<br />
<br>2. Add the Author's Note on page 309.<br />
<br>3. Add WorldCat and misc notes.<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:35, 19 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:49, 20 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== White Mare, Red Stallion ==<br />
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There is a very unlikely author in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?54545 this publication], under the same name as the work itself.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 18:15, 19 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Copy/paste error. Edit submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 02:35, 20 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Ten Thousand ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?250428 The Ten Thousand], would you mind if I add the map on page 6 and the Glossary on page 467? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:34, 21 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:55, 23 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Vain Command ==<br />
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After a discussion with one of the moderators [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Philfreund#Squadron_Alert here], I have submitted an edit to add the missing Roman numeral page numbers to<br />
[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?32925 Vain Command]. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 06:30, 23 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Daggerspell and Darkspell - Del Rey ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8587 Daggerspell], I'd like to add the following:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to 16+395<br />
<br> Seems like it should be [16]+395<br />
<br>2. Import title 2135194 "A Note on the Pronunciation of Deverry Words (Daggerspell)" on page [9]<br />
<br>3. Add map title "The Provinces of the Kingdom of Deverry in the Year 1060 (map)" on page [12]<br />
<br>4. Add map title "Southern Eldidd in 1060 (map)" on page [14]<br />
: Otherwise, Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:58, 23 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?9123 Darkspell], I'd like to add the following:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [16]+366<br />
<br>2. Add title "A Note on the Pronunciation of Deverry Words (Darkspell)" on page [9]<br />
<br>3. Import map title "The Provinces of the Kingdom of Deverry in the Year 1060 (map)" on page [12]<br />
<br>4. Import map title "Southern Eldidd in 1060 (map)" on page [14]<br />
<br>5. Add title "Appendix: Characters and Their Incarnations (Darkspell)" on page 361<br />
<br>6. Add title "Glossary (Darkspell)" on page 363<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 15:56, 23 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:11, 24 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Bristling Wood ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36554 The Bristling Wood], would you mind if I:<br />
<br>1. Add title "A Note on the Pronunciation of Deverry Words (The Bristling Wood)" on page 9<br />
<br>2. Add title "Appendix: Characters and Their Incarnations (The Bristling Wood)" on page 353<br />
<br>3. Add title "Glossary (The Bristling Wood)" on page 354<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 06:54, 24 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:13, 24 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Dragon Revenant ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?38755 The Dragon Revenant], would you mind the following changes:<br />
<br>1. Change page count to [12]+401+[17]<br />
<br>2. Add title "A Note on the Pronunciation of Deverry Words (The Dragon Revenant)" on page [9]<br />
<br>3. Add map "The Bardekian Archipelago in 1070 (map)" on page [11]<br />
<br>4. Add title "Glossary (The Dragon Revenant)" on page 397<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:36, 24 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:15, 24 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== A Time of Exile ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1276 A Time of Exile], would you mind the following changes:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [10]+404+[16]<br />
<br>2. Add title "A Note on the Pronunciation of Deverry Words (A Time of Exile)" on page [7]<br />
<br>3. Add title "Incarnations of the Various Characters Throughout the Deverry Series (A Time of Exile)" on page 395<br />
<br>4. Add title "Political Chronology of the Kingdoms of Deverry and Eldidd (A Time of Exile)" on page 396<br />
<br>5. Add title "Glossary (A Time of Exile)" on page 401<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:05, 24 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:17, 24 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Red Wyvern ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?45983 The Red Wyvern], I'd like to do the following:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [12]+393+[7]<br />
<br>2. Add essay "Author's Note (The Red Wyvern)" on page [7]<br />
<br>3. Add the map on page [11]<br />
<br>4. Add essay "A Note on the Pronunciation of Deverry Words (The Red Wyvern)" on page 385<br />
<br>5. Add essay "Glossary (The Red Wyvern)" on page 389<br />
<br>6. Add essay "Table of Reincarnating Characters (The Red Wyvern)" on page [395]<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:58, 2 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:29, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Black Raven ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?235629 The Black Raven], I would like to do the following:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to xiii+415+[2]<br />
<br>2. Add essay "A Note on the Deverry Sequence (The Black Raven)" on page ix<br />
<br>3. Add the map on page xiii<br />
<br>4. Add essay "A Note on the Pronunciation of Deverry Words (The Black Raven)" on page 409<br />
<br>5. Add essay "Glossary (The Black Raven)" on page 413<br />
<br>6. Add essay "Table of Reincarnating Characters (The Black Raven)" on page [417]<br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 10:35, 2 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:32, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Fire Dragon ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?249142 The Fire Dragon], I would like to make the following changes:<br />
<br>1. Change page count to [12]+418 and add note about no printed Roman numerals<br />
<br>2. Add essay "Table of Incarnations (The Fire Dragon)" on page [9]<br />
<br>3. Delete the existing map title and replace it by importing the map title used in "Days of Blood and Fire". (The map title add is currently waiting on mod approval.)<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 13:19, 2 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:33, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== A Time of Omens ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1282 A Time of Omens] I would like to add the essay "A Note on the Pronunciation of Deverry Words (A Time of Omens)" on page ix. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 13:25, 2 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:35, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Snare ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30933 Snare], I would like to:<br />
<br>1. Change the title to "Snare: A Novel of the Far Future" to match the title page. Based what I'm seeing in the majority of the WorldCat records, I'll also change the canonical title name to the new value instead of doing an unmerge and variant.<br />
<br>2. Change the page count to [10]+676<br />
<br>3. Add essay "Author's Note (Snare)" on page [9]<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 22:37, 2 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:57, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Palace ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25544 Palace], I would like to:<br />
<br>1. Change the title to "Palace: A Novel of the Pinch" to match the title page. Based what I'm seeing in the LCCN record and the majority of the WorldCat records, I'll also change the canonical title name to the new value instead of doing an unmerge and variant.<br />
: I'd leave it alone, per leaving series names out of titles.<br />
<br>2. Add a note about the odd split format of the title page. <br />
<br>3. Change the page count to [10]+450<br />
<br>4. Add essay "Author's Note (Palace)" on page [9]<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 06:51, 3 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Otherwise, ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:00, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Emerald House Rising ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?12174 Emerald House Rising], I would like to change the page count to [10]+325 and add the two maps on pages [8] and [9]. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:29, 3 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:03, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Wild Swans ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49997 The Wild Swans], I'd like to add the essay "Author's Note (The Wild Swans)" on page 447. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:40, 3 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:04, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Fire Sanctuary ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13650 Fire Sanctuary], I want to:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [14]+370<br />
<br>2. Add the map on page [7]<br />
<br>3. Add the essay on page [8]<br />
<br>4. Add the essay on page [9]<br />
<br>5. Add the genealogical table on page [10]<br />
<br>6. I'll move the WorldCat ID to external and add notes as well<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 18:16, 3 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok.<br />
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== Raven series ==<br />
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27410 Swordsmistress of Chaos], I'd like to add the map on page 6.<br />
<br><br />
<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27398 A Time of Ghosts], I'd like to change the page count to [8]+199 add the map on page [6].<br />
<br><br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 06:23, 4 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. The maps look the same to me, so perhaps sharing them makes sense. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:06, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Steerswoman ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?47936 The Steerswoman], I'd like to:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [8]+279<br />
<br>2. Add the map on page [6]<br />
<br>3. Add a scanned cover<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:02, 4 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 15:16, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Outskirter's Secret ==<br />
<br />
For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?45002 The Outskirter's Secret], I'd like to:<br />
<br>1. Change the page count to [8]+342<br />
: My copy is [10]+342.<br />
::Indeed it is. My bad. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 17:30, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br>2. Change the map author to Rosemary Kirstein and add an associated map artist note<br />
: Sure. <br />
<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:25, 4 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:37, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Mammoth Book of Awesome Comic Fantasy ==<br />
<br />
Could you please double check {{P|43683|The Mammoth Book of Awesome Comic Fantasy}}? Per the second printing:<br />
*page 90 is credited as Esther Friesner and not Esther M. Friesner<br />
*page 110 is credited as Nelson Bond and not Nelson S. Bond <br />
*page 175 is credited as Michael Coney and not Michael G. Coney<br />
*"The Caliber of the Sword" is on page 344 and not 244<br />
Do these need to be corrected in the entry for the first printing or did they real change between printings? I will point the other verifier to this conversation as well. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:25, 4 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Your differences are correct. Note that I just submitted an edit with a replacement for the Amazon ISBN based cover image. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 14:25, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Deryni Magic title ==<br />
<br />
Please look at the title page of your copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?9926 Deryni Magic: A Grimoire] and see if it matches mine which only reads "Deryni Magic". I'd like to change the both the title and canonical title to "Deryni Magic" as well as add a note that the cover shows the title as "Deryni Magic: A Grimoire". I'll also have to change the cover image title to match. I'd also like to add the map titles on pages vi and vii. The other active PVs have this same request. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 16:59, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. (I see the edit already went through). --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:18, 9 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Bikini Planet ==<br />
<br />
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4470; I added Archive.org link and replaced unstable "P" Amazon cover image with stable Amazon image that looks the same. --[[User:Username|Username]] 23:28, 5 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Lodge of the Lynx ==<br />
<br />
For [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34999 The Lodge of the Lynx], I want to change the cover artist to "Daniel R. Horne". The existing cover art note is almost correct but it's a keyhole double cover and the signed art is on the inner cover not a frontispiece so I'll fix that as well. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 14:11, 10 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:16, 10 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Temple and the Crown ==<br />
<br />
For [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48395 The Temple and the Crown], would you mind if I change the page count to xi+542 and add the essay on page ix? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 17:59, 10 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:52, 12 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Magic's Price ==<br />
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For [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21139 Magic's Price], I'd like to add the map on page 6. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:57, 11 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:53, 12 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Oathbreakers ==<br />
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For [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?24660 Oathbreakers], I would like to:<br />
<br>1. Import the maps on pages 6, 7, 8, 9<br />
: Ok<br />
<br>2. Import Appendix One on page 283<br />
: I wish the rules were clearer on whether 281 or 283 should be used.<br />
<br>3. Add title "Appendix Two: Songs and Poems (Oathbreakers)" on page 289<br />
: ditto 287 or 289<br />
<br>[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:27, 11 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:57, 12 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Trumpets of Tagan ==<br />
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For [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?48890 The Trumpets of Tagan] I'd like to change the page count to viii+258. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 22:17, 13 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:04, 14 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Tongues of Serpents - Naomi Novik ==<br />
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I've replaced the Amazon image in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?347095 this pub] with a scan. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 15:41, 19 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Edmund Cooper (Richard Avery) / The Deathworms (Death Worms) of Kratos ==<br />
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I need to notify 5 active PVs of changes I propose to make to the above title. The details of the changes are on my talk page [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Teallach#Edmund_Cooper_.28Richard_Avery.29_.2F_The_Deathworms_.28Death_Worms.29_of_Kratos here]. If you wish to comment, could you please do so on my talk page so that we keep the whole conversation in one place. Thanks. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:13, 19 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Glen Cook / A Shadow of All Night Falling ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?254119 A Shadow of All Night Falling]. This pub has numbered roman numeral pages at the start so I will change the page count accordingly, index the map and add pub notes. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 15:40, 20 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== World Without End ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55357; I replaced unstable Amazon cover with stable Amazon cover, which looks the same, and added Archive.org link. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:20, 26 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Return to Eden ==<br />
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Hi<br />
I notice that many of the publication records of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?9231 Return to Eden] contain the appendix, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?979454 The World West of Eden] as well as the prolog and the map as separate entries, so in the interest of consistency I'd like to add them to the contents of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?27998 the publication you verified] if that's OK. Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 01:00, 5 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure. In case you don't have access to a copy, the prologue is on page ix, and the appendices on 345. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:06, 5 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== David Zindell / The Lightstone (maps) ==<br />
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I am in the process of editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?43086 The Lightstone]. This pub has two maps which are uncredited but signed with a handwritten "R.G.". Whilst trying to find the creator of these maps I discovered that your PVd copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?273957 Lord of Lies] has maps credited to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?130091 Richard Geiger]. So he probably did the maps in The Lightstone but to confirm can you please advise: 1) are the maps in your Lord of Lies explicitly credited to Richard Geiger? 2) are they signed "R.G."? Thanks. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 19:06, 6 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: "Map by Richard Geiger" on copyright page. Map signed "R.G. '01" in lower right corner. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 00:31, 7 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Charles Sheffield / The Nimrod Hunt ==<br />
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Posted on the talk pages of active PVs: Ahasuerus, Willem H., GlennMcG<br />
<br>I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44718 The Nimrod Hunt]. There is a pub note stating "Price in Canada: C$4.95". My copy has no Canadian price. Is there a Canadian price on your copy? If we all agree there is not then I will delete this note. I also propose to add a pub note about the discrepancy in the heading of the excerpt on page [407]. This states "...coming in July 1985..." despite Nimrod Hunt being published in August 1986. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:59, 13 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
: No C$ on mine. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 14:17, 13 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Excellent: we have 100% agreement amongst the four of us. I have just submitted the edit to make the changes as per my original proposal and have also added the "Not to be confused..." note suggested by Ahasuerus. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:12, 13 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Vernor Vinge / The Peace War ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?45166 The Peace War]. I will import the existing record for the excerpt of "Between the Strokes of Night" by Charles Sheffield which appears in the unnumbered pages at the end of the book and will adjust the Pages field to 378+[4] accordingly. I have verified that this excerpt in The Peace War is identical to the excerpt in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44718 The Nimrod Hunt]. Incidentally, since this pb of The Peace War was published in June 1985, the statement "...coming in July 1985..." at the head of the excerpt now makes sense. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:45, 13 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Delian Cycle minor fix ==<br />
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There's a typo in the notes for The Delian Cycle (which you verified), "preceds" instead of "precedes", so I'll fix it unless you have any objections. Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 01:42, 14 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Reprint Dates ==<br />
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Several clone pubs submissions for reprints had the same date as the original publication. I removed the date on these. However, I released I was over zealous on a couple and had misread the date and notes. I restored those. If I missed anything, please let me know and & I will fix. Sorry for the confusion. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:41, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: The only one I don't understand is https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5463341 --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:36, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::How do you derive the publishing date from that? If I understand the note correctly, the publication lists itself, but not the next pub? That would have been true of the first publication. How do you know they didn't simply update the second printing list vs. it was published before the next book in the series? Or was that known practice for this publisher? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:20, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: It was an attempt to reverse engineer a pattern that Bluesman used for dating non-first printings that I was PVing. (I attempted to use that scheme to date non-PVed books that I had non-first printings). Pocket Books seems to be quite consistent in number series listings in their books.<br />
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::: The way I interpret that data, is as such. Find the 1st printing date of the last book listed in a series. (STTNG, for example). Call it last. Find the same for the next higher book (not listed), and call it next. Then assume that the publication date of this non-first printing is: last <= date < next. Apply this to the various series listed in the book, and then apply an old-school logic puzzle game to the cross-series results. The book in question however had less data to apply. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:26, 25 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::::These extrapolated dates always make me a bit nervous. Anyhow, I have restored the date. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:53, 25 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Dick ~ St. Clair / The World Jones Made ~ Agent of the Unknown ==<br />
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Posted on the talk pages of active PVs.<br />
<br>I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?50485 The World Jones Made ~ Agent of the Unknown] and propose to change the date from 1956-00-00 to 1956-03-00 and add a pub note stating the source: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360808 Galactic Central Bibliography]. I will also add the month to the associated records (title and coverart). I will be adding the month to several other PKD books in the near future. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:22, 27 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Philip K. Dick / Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?14030 Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said] and will add notes and import the existing record for the interior art on page 2. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:45, 6 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The formatting ==<br />
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Just a gentle reminder that we do not enforce formatting in the Notes field and converting every single Note you touch into HTML is not a good idea - not all the editors are comfortable working with HTML. When you are adding a lot of additional notes, that's fine but if you are adding a single note or a couple of short notes, please don't convert to your preferred formatting just because you like it more than what you find in the field - instead use the existing formatting and add the note using it. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:43, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Dragons, Elves and Heroes ==<br />
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Glenn, Double check [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5479044 this submission]. 0345017315 maybe? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:54, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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: You're right. 0-345-01731-5 is the correct ISBN. Not sure what brain function kicked to produce this error, but 0 is close to 1 numerically, but not keyboard positionally. The note has the right number. I can resubmit if you'd like. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:02, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Yes please. Cancel the held submission as well. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:14, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: Done. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:26, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:::: approved. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:39, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Olympus ==<br />
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I accepted your edit to the notes of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?24822 this pub]. Let's remove this note 'The first pages are roman numbered.' and correct the Pages field to reflect the Roman numerals. I know you didn't write it. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:20, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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: I left things alone because there didn't seem to be a way to distinguish separately sequenced roman vs arabic sections, vs one sequence starting with roman and continuing with arabic. For example, in this book, the pages are numbered i–ix, blank, 11–317, not i–ix, blank, 1–317. (In the page field syntax). Perhaps enter ix+317, and note that arabic section starts with 11? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:33, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: ix+317 is correct. I don't believe any note is necessary. The contents section is clear. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:42, 19 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Silent Warrior ==<br />
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Cover art for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?47237 this] is not Chris Achilleos. It's Alan M. Clarke. See [https://ifdpublishing.com/product/trilobite-returns-to-helvoran-large-print/ here] --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 06:19, 17 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:● I have added the correct credit to the artist, the web page that the artwork can be found on, and on the artworks’ page, the title of the work. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 15:21, 17 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Haven ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?16527; Copy uploaded recently on Archive.org, note says April 2000, I assume that was a mistake so when I added a link I also changed it to September. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:40, 20 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Error confirmed. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:59, 21 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Changing Amazon Dates ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?657166; My edit adding Archive.org link and changing 01 to 00 in the date was rejected because mod said I should have asked you about changing the date first. As you probably know, Amazon routinely has day as 01 when they don't know the real day (or sometimes 01-01 if they don't know the month and the day); 05-01 could be April, May, or June and book said May so that's what I changed it to, 05-00. In the future, assuming I'm still editing here much longer, would you like me to just adjust the day when I find an actual copy with the date without leaving you a message? In this case the mod left the Amazon date as it is but did make another edit adding the Archive link that I found myself, so at least that's there now. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:30, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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: My edit didn't change the date, but added the source. My practice has been to only change the date if it's in the previous month, and the printing statement gives the next month. (And noting the difference). Since I couldn't prove that it didn't actually get issued on the first, I left things alone. If group consensus wants something different, it's ok with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 14:45, 24 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Just a quick note here: As 2018-05-01 is a Tuesday and that had been the usual day for the big US based publishers to publish their books for the last few years, the date here is most likely correct: while Amazon may have issues with some publishers’ dates and -01 may indicate lack of knowledge of the day of publishing, that is very unlikely to be the case here considering the newness of the book and the publisher. Books get published on the 1st and the history of the publisher and its practices and the specific date it is (in this case being a Tuesday) need to be taken into account before removing valid data from the database. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 01:58, 25 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:::If there was a note saying that it was actually published on the 1st then that would be true, but Amazon doesn't do that, so barring a photo of a review copy with the specific publication date on it, which is not the case more often than not, it's always best to enter the date as it is in the publication itself. Some do include a specific day, usually small-press books or older books in reprint editions where they mention the exact dates of previous printings, but most don't. It's all moot, anyway, because often dates in books and when they were actually published are two different things. There are probably tens of thousands of books on ISFDB that have the wrong date, some people entering them from the book itself, others taking the date from an online site like Amazon or genre sites like Locus which often differ from the date in the book (I know because I've fixed probably thousands of them), so it's all guesswork and only of interest to people who care about minutiae; there's not a single online site I've ever seen that could seriously be called truly accurate. Just read, that's what's really important; you never know when all this may be gone. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:06, 25 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:::: From the help section "The base date optionally may be made more precise (e.g., supplying the month or day of publication) using information from a secondary source, if that source's date is otherwise consistent with publication's stated date. The source, and which details of the date were obtained from that source, must be recorded in the publication notes. See [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Date-SecondarySources Secondary Sources of Dates]. The publication is in compliance. FWIW, [https://astrapublishinghouse.com/product/the-summer-dragon-9780756408343/ here] is a link to the publisher's website confirming the 2018-05-01 date. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:21, 25 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:::::That doesn't confirm anything; lazy publishers routinely just copy dates straight from Amazon. It might really be the right day or it might not. Unless someone can verify they bought the book on its publication date by showing a receipt and it really was the first day of the month then the month will suffice here. As I said, dates in books and publication dates often differ, sometimes greatly. Cemetery Dance has one of the worst track records when it comes to publishing books on time, sometimes coming out years after the date in the book. Very few books or other publications can be pinpointed to the exact day they were published and it really isn't that important compared to other stuff like, for example, the huge amount of collections and anthologies on ISFDB that have missing/incomplete/inaccurate contents; that's what most people are interested in, not knowing what exact day the book was published, because that matters little to their enjoyment (or not) of the book. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:39, 25 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== SF: The Year's Greatest Science-Fiction and Fantasy Second Annual Volume / Shared title change discussion ==<br />
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I'd like to change [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?175371 SF: The Year's Greatest Science-Fiction and Fantasy Second Annual Volume] to "The Year's Greatest Science-Fiction and Fantasy: Second Annual Volume" as per the title page. (unlike the front cover and spine). Thoughts? --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 19:33, 1 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Hmmm. Just noticed the large SF on the previous page.<br />
::I'll dig it out and have a look inside.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:32, 1 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::I'm inclined to leave it as is. The current title I believe is the intended title, just printed on two separate pages.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 10:35, 2 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::I’m away from home for the next few days, but I’d vote for leaving it as is based on your descriptions. [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 10:50, 2 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I could see it turn into "SF: The Year's Greatest Science-Fiction and Fantasy: Second Annual Volume". Are sub-sub-titles not a thing? The volume part is in a smaller/different font than the first part. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:32, 2 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:: That would be more in line with the third and fourth annual volume of the same series, too.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] ([[User talk:Dirk P Broer|talk]]) 21:58, 2 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::I've looked at the first four, and the sub-sub-title suggestion makes sense and aligns with the others in the series. [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 21:29, 3 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I've submitted edits for the 2nd annual pubs. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:00, 4 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Baynes Illustrations for Tolkien ==<br />
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Hi GlennMcG<br />
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I'm holding two submissions [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5475700 here] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5475701 here]. These would replace the single INTERIORART record for our mutually verified ''Smith of Wooten Major & Farmer Giles of Ham'' withe separate INTERIORART records for the illustrations from the separate publications of the two stories. If I were the sole verifier, I would approve these, but I'm actually ambivalent about the change. Do you have an opinion on whether these edits should be approved or rejected? I'm leaving the same note on all the active verifiers page and will follow up if we have a disagreement on what to do. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:22, 5 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Doesn't seem to be much of a win to change, but meh? However, I'd guess that the illustrations were commissioned for the combined works, rather than as separate projects. I'm ok however it turns out. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 14:18, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::I actually think it's more likely that these are the Baynes illustrations done for the original standalone editions and not a new illustrations specifically for the combined edition. I'm going to go ahead and approve the edits. There is a [https://archive.org/details/smithofwoottonma1975tolk partial scan] of a 1978 standalone edition of SWM where the title page matches ours. There is also a [https://archive.org/details/farmergilesofham0000tolk full scan] of FGH included in a different collection in 1977 and with matching illustrations. While these are later printings, they all bear the same original copyright dates. These aren't definitive proof, but do suggest that the illustrations are the same as the original standalone publications. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:47, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bernard Wolfe / Limbo ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20399 Limbo] and will add pub note "Year confirmed by Tuck", new essay "Author's Notes and Warnings" (page 409) and page numbers to the contents. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:48, 9 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== James White / Hospital Station ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17347 Hospital Station]. In my copy, the story on page 84 is titled "Trouble with Emily" but the Contents section of the pub record has "The Trouble with Emily". Could you please check the title in your copy. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:03, 11 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: My copy matches yours. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 04:59, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::I will make the change. Thanks for checking. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:11, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Crowther - Forbidden Planets ==<br />
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Hi Glenn, the notes [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?256837 here] are very clear about the Afterword but I suggest it should be titled "Afterword: Forbidden Planet[s?] (Forbidden Planets)". Could you check it out, and also clarify whether it's 'Planet' or 'Planets'. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:10, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: It's "Forbidden Planet" over "Stephen Baxter" at the actual essay on page 289. It seems to me that the title is ok as is, or perhaps just change to "Forbidden Planet". --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:31, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: As far as I know, we take titles from the book's table contents page (and not from the body of the publication) and detail the difference (in this case on p.289) in the pub Notes.<br />
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::That would give us "Afterword: Forbidden Planet" as the title (as per table contents page).<br />
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::Then we add the book's title in brackets. So, finally.... "Afterword: Forbidden Planet (Forbidden Planets)".<br />
:: The last sentence in the Notes ("The essay...") explains the situation perfectly. Here's a random example of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?53528 Afterword titling]. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:32, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: From the help section - "Short fiction, essays and poems. For short stories, essays and poems, when working from a primary source, always take the title from the heading on the page where the work begins. The title shown in/on the table of contents, running page headers, index, front cover of the publication, secondary bibliography, or a promotional website listing is secondary. Any differences between titles in the publication may be noted in the publication notes, but this is not required. If titles are being entered solely from a secondary source, please record the source in the note field."<br />
::: Glen is correct. No disambiguation is necessary since there are not other essays with the same title by Stephen Baxter. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:42, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::Thanks John for stepping in to sort me out:) I'm sorry Glenn for getting it all wrong - I remembered the way it worked - exactly backwards! My mistake, and a lesson. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:10, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ghosts ==<br />
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Regarding {{P|178129|Ghosts}}: I updated several author credits to match the story title pages:<br />
* p67, Jack M. Dann to Jack Dann <br />
* p85, Mary E. Wilkins Freeman to Mary Wilkins Freeman<br />
* p213, Charlotte Riddell to Mrs. J. H. Riddell<br />
Also, do you see a cover artist credit on this pub? I'm not seeing a credit or a signature. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:12, 21 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I see initials JK in the lower right corner of the front cover. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:27, 21 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks. I've updated the pub notes with that. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:27, 22 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Evil Overlord / Human For A Day==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?98621; I added (incomplete) Archive.org copy some time ago; today while adding info for DAW anthologies that are on Open Library but not searchable on the Archive (identified by their white "Preview" button) I came across this one again and while adding LCCN ID I noticed the Roman numerals weren't included in the page count so I added an xi. I assume your copy has the same. EDIT: Also added Archive.org link, LCCN ID, and viii to this; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?358071. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:22, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Replacing some Amazon images on verified publications. ==<br />
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I have replaced the Amazon image with a scan from my copy for the following: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?22532 The Mocking Program] by Alan Dean Foster and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?584398 Solar Express], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?657176 Assassin's Price] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?486772 Rex Regis] by L. E. Modesitt, Jr. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:34, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Strange Music ==<br />
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I was planning on adding the foreword by Kevin Hearne to [[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?657063 this pub]] to match the HC and verified ebook, as my copy does have it. It will require changing the page count to xii+387 from 387. I will also be uploading a scanned cover and adding the Canadian price of 10.99. Any problem with this? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 13:09, 4 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Sounds good. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:28, 4 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== "Mind Slayer" ==<br />
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When I found Your pv title [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?31970 Mind Slayer] I wonder if the title isn't spelled wrong. All external-IDs, the cover and Amazon have a different spelling "Mind Slaver". I'm wondering as the title is primary verified four times. Can You approve again? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 15:14, 6 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I guess it was invisible. 'Slaver' is correct. I've uploaded a new cover image while driving by. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:35, 6 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Concrete Savior ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?346717; There's an Archive.org copy (one of those that only appears on Open Library) so I added a link but the page count was way off, 343 instead of 384. You as PV can tell me what your copy's count is. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:56, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: 343. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 22:41, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Talon of the Silver Hawk ==<br />
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Minor tweaks to contents of Talon of the Silver Hawk https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34446 if you have no objection.<br />
[[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 22:43, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Magician's End ==<br />
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Minor tweaks to contents of Magician's End https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?412824 if you have no objection.<br />
[[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 23:07, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Rides a Dread Legion ==<br />
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I made minor changes to contents of Rides a Dread Legion https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?274016 if you have no objection. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 00:49, 10 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Charles de Lint / Moonheart: A Romance ==<br />
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Posted on the Talk pages of active PVs GlennMcG, Philfreund.<br />
<br>I'm looking at my copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?22754 Moonheart: A Romance] and the pub record. This doesn't seem to be set up correctly. It should be unmerged, assigned to a title record of "Moonheart: A Romance" and this should be varianted to "Moonheart". Actually, there is a case for making "Moonheart: A Romance" the canonical title as it's the first publication. However, as there is only 1 pub titled "Moonheart: A Romance" and 16 pubs titled "Moonheart", I don't feel strongly about which is the canonical title. Mind you, I would bet that some of the other pubs also have "A Romance" on the title page, particularly the Ace pb reprints. What are your thoughts? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:47, 13 February 2023 (EST):<br />
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: The notes indicate the subtitle 'a romance' (which is present). I just PVed and made no edits and left things alone. My personal esthetic for subtitles tends to ignore essentially 'content-free' like this, or 'a novel'. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 21:01, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::On a purely personal level I completely agree with you. I consider statements such as "A Romance" on the title page to be a description of the work and not part of the title. It also opens the door to problems because it makes it too easy for editors to forget or not bother to include subtitles which results in inconsistent pub records accumulating as they have with Moonheart. However, our personal opinions are not relevant. The [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Title ISFDb policy] on this states that it should be entered as a subtitle so that's what we have to go with. Coincidentally, this policy actually uses "A Romance" as an example. Based on your and [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Philfreund#Charles_de_Lint_.2F_Moonheart:_A_Romance Philfreund's] replies, I will do the varianting but first I will stick a post on the Moderator Noticeboard to ask which should be the canonical title as it's rather subjective. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:41, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Sirens and other Daemon Lovers ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted a submission adding page numbers to the contents for your verified {{P|253718|Sirens and Daemon Lovers}}. The submission used a copy on Archive.org as the source and cited that in the notes. Please review. If you do review and verify that the page numbers match your copy, delete that citation from the notes -- we'd prefer to know that someone saw those page numbers on a copy of the book in hand. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:18, 19 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Page #s PVed and edit submitted. Noticed a missing subtitle and submitted edits. Will need to merge. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 18:31, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Glad I could help. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:39, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== One in Three Hundred / The Transposed Man ==<br />
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Hi Glenn, re your title [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?24989 here], I'd like to add a link to an Asimov [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?481353 variant cover]. I noticed that your cover was upgraded in 2019 so I thought that providing a link would alert future editors of the relationship (if they missed it in summary pages. Are you ok with that? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 06:47, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:55, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Thank you. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:19, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== L. Neil Smith / The Probability Broach ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?181953 The Probability Broach] and propose to:<br />
<br>1) change page count to vii+275<br />
<br>2) create a Content record for the Appendix<br />
<br>3) add explanatory pub notes<br />
<br>[[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:22, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:31, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Circus of Dr. Lao cover artist ==<br />
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I added Mitchell Hooks' credit for the cover of the Bantam [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37138 Circus of Dr. Lao] along with a note that he signed it.--[[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 09:08, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Snowcastles and Sometime After the Equinox==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?322251; I copied the Romas note over to Star Axe since artist's name is visible there, too, but I noticed for that book you or someone made an alternate name while in this one no one did. Should artist be a variant in this, too? EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?31142; this one, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:05, 24 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I used the name from Locus. Not sure how to prioritize secondary sources. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 19:06, 24 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Upon reflection, I'd prioritize the one that matches the canonic name. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 22:45, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== YoED ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?371303; I fixed that obviously wrong publisher name, the only one such on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:10, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Demon Night ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/demonnight0000smit; I fixed month in cover art (was 00) and reg. title (was 02) but I think publisher in your PV should be Ace Fantasy Books. Anyway, this 3rd printing was uploaded recently in case you care to enter it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:59, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
: The title page indicates 'ace books'. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 14:18, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== K-9 Corps ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5602460; I'm replacing the unstable "G" cover; another book in the series (Under Fire) also has an unstable cover but current Amazon cover has a watermark from some bookseller so I didn't replace it. Also, 1 book is missing WorldCat ID and 3 are missing LCCN ID in case you wanted to finish adding those. EDIT: I added Archive.org links to 3 books in the series and another link to StarSpawn by the same author (+ LCCN ID), which you also PV, but I noticed the cover has the same watermark (papierplanet.de) as the one I mentioned above, in case you can upload yours or a better one from somewhere besides Amazon (Open Library doesn't show the cover but it does show the title page with a message and signature by the author). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:45, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Chariot ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?88806; LCCN is for the HC, not the PB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:25, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
: Changed it. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 22:50, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Asimov - Nightfall and Other Stories ==<br />
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Hello Glenn, just to let you know that I've entered all the introductions to {{P|178377|this pub}}, replacing the generic <i>Biographical Comments in "Nightfall and Other Stories"</i> title. I don't know if this would be any use to your {{P|205725|record here}}. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:33, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
: Update: Have a look at [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Taweiss#Asimov_-_Nightfall_and_Other_Stories this thread] which may be of help. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:09, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dragon Blade ==<br />
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Would you please look at the title page of your copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?281293 Dragon Blade] and see if the title should actually be "Dragon Blade: The Book of the Rowan"? I just found that on the SFBC hardcover edition which means that it's also true for the original Tor hardcover edition. That means the canonical title should be "Dragon Blade: The Book of the Rowan". Also, does your pb copy happen to show the cover artist as just "Royo" instead of "Luis Royo" like the SFBC dust jacket does? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 13:37, 9 March 2023 (EST)<br />
: My copy has the subtitle, although it's also vaguely a series position designator. Back cover has 'Cover art by Royo'. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:14, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::In that case, if you don't object, I'm going to submit edits to change all the titles, including the canonical title, map, cover, etc. to "Dragon Blade: The Book of the Rowan". I'll also change the artist to just "Royo" and variant if necessary. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:48, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 20:29, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Accidental Earth ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=%22the+accidental+earth%22; Printed in Canada on copyright, printed in U.S.A. on back, what does your copy say, this may be Canadian edition which can be entered by me. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:15, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: My copy has "Printed in United States of America" on the copyright page, and "Printed in the U.S.A." on the back cover. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 14:19, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK, I entered a new record, copy-and-pasted your notes and added a new note about printing info, and added a C to the price. Cover is ragged so no sense uploading it; maybe someone will see this and upload from their own Canadian copy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:08, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Beauty (Pocket Books) ==<br />
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Hello, Glenn. Happy St. Patrick's Day, if you're observant. For [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?267522 this book], the tree (?) on the right of the cover looks like it's initialed HB. Could the artist be Harry Bennett? —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 18:13, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I agree that the initials 'hb' are present. I've looked at various covers on ISFDB credited to Harry Bennett, and it seems plausible, but I have no evidence to declare certainty. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 13:52, 16 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Star Science Fiction Stories No. 3 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?32089<br><br />
discussion: https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Star_SF_Stories_.233<br><br />
I'm planning to give the edition [https://isfdb.org/wiki/images/3/3e/STRSTRSN4B1954.jpg this new cover]<br><br />
--[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] ([[User talk:Spacecow|talk]]) 05:49, 22 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Drake/Morris' The Fourth Rome ==<br />
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When you have a free moment, could you please take a look at [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Biomassbob#Drake.2FMorris.27_The_Fourth_Rome this discussion], which affected the way the cover artist of your verified pub was credited? TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:05, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wolves of London ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?575595; I changed 460 pages to 464. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:15, 13 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mutant Files Roman Numerals ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5644894; I think the viii in page count shouldn't be there because the next page is 9; 320 is total number of pages including the Roman ones. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:18, 25 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Check out the discussion at https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:GlennMcG#Olympus Olympus. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 14:48, 26 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Something About a Glossary ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5665025; A mod approved a huge number of my edits today, more than usual, but this is the only one that was rejected. I honestly can't remember anything about it but you are the active PV, I think the other one is gone, so if you can decipher what I was trying to add you can decide whether you think it's important and enter your own edit(s). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:20, 25 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Edits added for the series. Each books has the glossary, but adds entries from book to book. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:20, 29 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Should they be "Glossary", not "Glossry"? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 07:34, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Seems likely. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 14:43, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Fantasy 2002 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13199; WorldCat ID leads to a page with a different ID so should it be updated? Also, the e-book on WorldCat has "ix" so that should be added to page count since intro is also a Roman numeral. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:27, 29 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: The worldcat link points to a page with a book with the same ISBN. The cover image doesn't match, but that's not an issue for the ISFDB entry. I've submitted an edit for the roman page count. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 22:24, 29 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Baen's Spider Reprints ==<br />
<br />
Hi Glenn -<br />
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I'm doing some cleanup on {{Series|24801|The Spider}} series and I see that we have a subseries for the Baen omnibus editions, {{Series|27387|The Spider (Baen)}}. I see a few issues with how we have this set up. First off, I don't know that the series should be numbered. I've have the first book in the series, {{P|99311|The Spider: Robot Titans of Gotham}}, and I haven't found any indication that it is numbered. Could you check your verified copy of {{P|839668|he Spider: City of Doom}} and see if they indicate that it is number 2 in a series? If Baen did support a separate numbering for their omnibus editions, I would argue that a publication series would be better than a title series. Assuming that they do not number them, I don't see a need for a subseries at all. Rather I think these should simply be part of the regular series. That way, we could use the content field on the title record to show which novels are included. What are your thoughts on this? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:00, 29 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: No numbering present. I'm ok with your suggestion. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:28, 29 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zebrowski - The Monadic Universe ==<br />
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Hello Glenn, I'll be adding the Reginald3 ID# to your PD'd {{P|44250|pub}}. Reginald states the pages as xx+167 and looking at the titles pagination, I suspect yours should be same. If it is the same, I can add that change to my edit. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:21, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Go for it. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:31, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: :) Thanks for the quick reply! Will do. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 17:00, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Also adding Reg3# to {{P|277309|The Omega Point Trilogy}}. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:52, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zeddies - Deathgift ==<br />
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Hello Glenn, I'm adding Reginald3 ID# to your PV {{P|9587|pub here}}. As I'm adding a lot of Reg3 ID#s, could you let me know if you still want to be notified every time I do those simple edits? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:19, 4 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: No need when adding external links like these. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:45, 4 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for your helpful reply. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:47, 4 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The City and the Stars ==<br />
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Glenn, I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5672926 this submission] affecting one of your verified publications. Are you okay with it? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:32, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Ok in general, but it seems that the notes should indicate that the publication has no credits/signatures, and provide the information providence. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 20:59, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: I agree, in fact I restored a similar note in one of the other publications. What about importing the existing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3162956 COVERART title] instead, thereby preserving your note. We could add a note along the lines of; "Cover artist identified by the current owner of the original artwork." [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 22:46, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Sure. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 23:38, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Berbora ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5686924; I replaced cover with brighter one on Bookscans. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:10, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wizard's Eleven ==<br />
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Hello Glenn, BanjoKev [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Willem_H.#Tepper_-_Wizard.27s_Eleven pointed] me to the pagecount of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55143 Wizard's Eleven]. I checked my copy, and the pagecount should indeed be xiv+187. Do you mind if I change this? Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 16:47, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: No problem. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:19, 12 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Yellow Fraction ==<br />
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You are PV for https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?50846. I submitted metadata for it (actual SBN on the spine & unstated first edition, & Goodreads external ID). Cheers. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 04:26, 12 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Earthgrip ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5692901; LCCN confusion; your copy has the same (incorrect) number, right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:56, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Same LCN. I noticed that your edit doesn't include the html markup that the rest of the notes use. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:51, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Tepper - Southshore ==<br />
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Hello Glenn, could you please check the cover artist title spelling "Chrstensen" {{P|31357|here}}, it looks like a typo (it's "Christensen" in the notes) but I wanted to make sure. If it is, is it alright with you if I correct it and then merge it with the {{T|142450|1987-06-00 title}}? Thanks, Kev.--[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:35, 16 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Sure. I added the note, but didn't notice that the pre-existing cover artist was misspelled. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 02:34, 17 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Submitted, thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:05, 17 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Medusa Encounter Possible Duplicate ==<br />
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Hi Glenn -<br />
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I'm looking at your {{P|842745|verified copy}} of ''The Medusa Encounter'', and it looks like it may be a duplicate of {{P|3127|this record}}. Is there something I'm missing? If it is a duplicate, you can move your verification to the other record and we can delete the extra copy. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:40, 19 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Note the different location for "Infopak Technical Blueprints". I assumed a significant enough difference to clone. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 21:52, 19 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Upon further thought, I could just add a note to the other record indicating the alternate location, if you'd prefer. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 23:00, 19 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Thanks for the explanation. I think it's OK how you did it. It was just a little hard to pick out that difference between the two records. Since they're both first printings, although different states, I'll copy the external IDs over to your record. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:23, 20 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Dark Dominion'' cover ==<br />
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Glenn, I've added the full wraparound cover for David Duncan's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8809 Dark Dominion], to illustrate that the cover of Arthur C. Clarke's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36941 The Challenge of the Spaceship] is a variant, something that was not evident before. Thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 03:35, 23 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Starcrossed ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?217017; Copy on Archive.org says $1.75 on front cover. Does yours say $1.50? There doesn't seem to be any indication of their copy being a later printing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:26, 23 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: My copy is $1.75. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 05:28, 24 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Witches ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace#Witches; First edition needs cover artist. Can you check your copy? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:42, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Cover artist is not credited in my copy. (Perhaps a signature is buried somewhere in the artwork itself, but I can't find it). --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:28, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Future We Wish We Had ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?940545; Title ends with War, not Wars. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:27, 14 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Alcheringia ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44017; LCCN not on Library of Congress website, should be removed and put in Notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:21, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Edit submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:23, 29 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Lost Planet ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251365; I have a PENDING edit adding Archive.org link and the LCCN that's on the copyright page. If your copy has the author as Paul V. Dallas on title page you should change it and there are Roman numerals that should be added although they go from xi to xiii in this copy so if yours does, too, you should make a note of that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:10, 26 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Edit submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:23, 29 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Highwaymen ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17090; While adding Archive.org link I also fixed title, it's & Rogues. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:20, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Ok. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:32, 14 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Martin & Tuttle / Windhaven ==<br />
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You have PVd the 1st US pb edition of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251127 Windhaven]. Could you please take a look at [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Willem_H.#Martin_.26_Tuttle_.2F_Windhaven this thread]. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:03, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ace Face ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5737168; Old cover was the wrong one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:56, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Garden ==<br />
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added artist. Source https://laberintogris.com/es/luis-royo-80s-90s/1342-luis-royo-original-el-jardin-los-viajeros-de-startrek-3.html [[User:Aardvark7|aardvark7]] ([[User talk:Aardvark7|talk]]) 12:38, 11 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Be the Serpent ==<br />
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In {{P|957658|Be the Serpent}}, there are two cover records. Was this intentionally or does one need to be removed? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:40, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Not sure how I did it, but I've submitted an edit to remove the dup. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 23:08, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Nicoji ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23891; It's Don Clavette on copyright page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:06, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I don't follow the point you're trying to make here. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:24, 14 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Point is that whoever entered artist entered the wrong first name so I left a message on all active PV's boards to let them know; one of them fixed it as you can see. That's one of the things I do here, correct all the countless mistakes that have been sitting unnoticed for years because PV don't bother to check that all the info in the book they're verifying is actually correct. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:22, 14 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The last edit I see is from 2021. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:37, 14 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title_history.cgi?141275. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:45, 14 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== King Dragon ==<br />
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A quick note about your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?244329 verified first printing of ''King Dragon''], which states that the number of pages is 278. I have a copy of the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?244333 undated second printing] and the last numbered page is 277. The page that follows it is not numbered and contains a full-page illustration.<br />
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[[Help:Screen:NewPub#Pages]] says the following about this scenario:<br />
* ...you may record the count of unnumbered pages at the end of a publication. For example, 320+[4]. As before, only do this if there is additional content in these pages that requires the creation of a content record, as when there is an afterword or book excerpt which appears on unnumbered pages.<br />
I suppose a full-page illustration counts as "content". However, we don't have a separate Title record for it since all 50 (!) illustrations are covered by a single INTERIORART Title, so the Help condition "requires the creation of a content record" is not satisfied.<br />
Based on the above, I have updated the "Pages" field of my verified record to say "277" and the Note field to say:<br />
*The last numbered page is 277. The following page is not numbered and contains a full-page illustration.<br />
Does this match your understanding of how the quoted Help sentences apply in this case? Thanks for checking.<br />
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P.S. I will leave an identical note on the other active verifier's Talk page. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:49, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Ok with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 17:51, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Updated, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:17, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wilson Tucker / The Lincoln Hunters ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?43095 The Lincoln Hunters] and will add the Author's Note and pub notes. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:12, 19 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Castle Keeps ==<br />
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You PV'd this edition: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?244357 I submitted note to moderator: Submitting pub note additions (Berkley Pub. Corp., assumed 1st ed., number on spine), & Goodreads external ID. Cheers. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 03:39, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== A Brand New World ==<br />
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You PV'd this edition: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?253 I just sent in the following: Submitting web page 1 (blog article) & Goodreads external ID for this edition. Cheers. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 22:35, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== One Million Tomorrows ==<br />
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You PV'd the following edition: https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25003 I sent this in to moderators: Submitting two web pages (Wikipedia, blog retrospective review) & Goodreads external ID. I met Bob in 1982 while I was living in London. Nice guy. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 07:49, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== <b>Alpha Yes, Terra No! / The Ballad of Beta-2</b> ==<br />
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● Can you please check your copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?282001 Alpha Yes, Terra No! / The Ballad of Beta-2]? According to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?968140 Paperback Fantastic, Volume 1: Science Fiction] the cover of <i>The Ballad of Beta-2</i> is by Jack Gaughan, who is credited with <i> Alpha Yes, Terra No!</i> instead. Before permanent credit is assigned, I would like to know. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 00:07, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The publication has "Cover Art by Ed Valigursky" on the copyright page of "The Ballad of Beta-2" side. "Cover Art by Jack Gaughan" on the "Alpha Yes, Terra No!" side copyright page. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:07, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Well okay. I think I got that attribution straightened out now. Marriott may have read the inside credit for the illustration and got them mixed up. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 02:48, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Sanctuary ==<br />
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Glenn, I'm holding submissions adding Keith Birdsong as cover artist to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3863 all three] publications (no support provided). Your verification [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?32561 here] makes you the only active PV. I was able to find this [https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/keith-birdsong-star-trek-61-sanctuary-1878025596 listing]. If you think this is sufficient, would you mind submitting an edit adding the credit and modifying the notes? After approving your submission, I will approve the submissions adding the same credit to the other two pubs. Thanks for your help, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:47, 3 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Edit submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:02, 4 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Touch the Stars: Emergence ==<br />
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I would like to change the title [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?25678 Touch the Stars: Emergence] to simply "Emergence" since "Touch the Stars" is a series. I'd do the title and both existing publications (for one of which you were a PV). Any objections? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:59, 4 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Sounds fine. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 14:23, 4 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Yolen - Dragonfield and Other Stories ==<br />
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Hello Glenn, re your PV for {{P|11111|this pub}}, as Reginald3 gives the page count as xiii+241,could you check yours? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:06, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Mine's the same. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 19:56, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks, in that case, I'll submit an edit. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 02:16, 8 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Norton - 'Ware Hawk ==<br />
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Hello Glenn, with regard to {{P|24|this pub}}, I've posted to Dirk P Broer's page [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Dirk_P_Broer#Norton_-_.27Ware_Hawk here] and would appreciate your input. Thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 00:17, 10 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Once a Hero ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3915; Cover artist needs importing into TP. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:34, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Magical Beginnings ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21165; If intro starts on 13 the Roman numbers in page count should be removed since numbering is continuous. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:48, 24 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I've been given advice in the past that this is fine as is. The rules don't seem to directly address this case, however. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:40, 25 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Veiled Web ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?280456; I added links to original PB and TP editions where artist is Nielson; does your printing really say Nielsen or is it Nielson (in which case it needs fixing)? PV of TP incorrectly entered Nielsen so I left a note asking her to fix it if her copy says the same. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:11, 24 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Edits submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:01, 25 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== This World Is Taboo ==<br />
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Please see [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#This_World_Is_Taboo this conversation] which would impact your verified {{P|202037|Ace Books edition}} and {{P|44001|The Med Series}}. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 06:44, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Iseult ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18696; 3 PV, you're the only active one, I just added archived link in a PENDING edit, do you think the subtitle on title page should be added as part of the title? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:17, 3 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Unkindness of Ravens ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2523; PENDING edit with archived link, page count is 234, not 236; needs fixing? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:29, 3 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
: My copy has pages numbered up through 236. Story ends on 233, Notes and Acks on 234, and an excerpt for the next volume on pages 235 and 236. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:48, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Copy has p. 234 then inside back cover so I'm going to assume, like a lot of uploaded copies that are old or ex-library, it's ragged and the last 2 pages fell out/were ripped out. Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:53, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Devils'' ==<br />
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A quick note about our mutually verified [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?178105 ''Devils'']. It turns out that the artist's initials, "JK", appear in the lower right corner, although they are hard to see. The Notes field has been updated. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:34, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Conjurer's Curse ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?262265; I let another PV know that they had 2 books in the Belmont New Shadow series that now have unstable Amazon "G" images that should be replaced; a search reveals that this book that you PV is the only other one with a "G" so maybe you can replace it with Bookscans cover on this page, http://bookscans.com/Publishers/belmont/belmont3.htm, or somewhere else if you can find a better one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:45, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I've replaced it with a scan of my copy's cover. (when edit is accepted). --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 01:19, 5 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Freeman ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?40206; Archive.org copy linked in my PENDING edit, ISBN on inside front cover and back cover is OK but the one on copyright page is wrong, 21674 instead of 26174, if yours is the same you may want to mention that in the notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:46, 10 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Edit submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:12, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Chromosomal Code ==<br />
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You are a PV for this title: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37082 I just submitted this edit to moderators: Submitting External ID (Goodreads) & web page 1 (a statement from the author on how he wrote this novel). Cheers. [[User:Hifrommike65|Mike]] ([[User talk:Hifrommike65|talk]]) 07:59, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Five Worlds ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5801798; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5801801; I have PENDING edits for 2 of the books in Al Sarrantonio's Five Worlds trilogy; #2, Journey, is not to be found so hopefully someone will upload it soon so people can read the series in order. You wouldn't happen to have a copy, would you? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:26, 31 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I have a copy of Journey, as I've PVed it. What do you mean by uploading it? It's under copyright. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 20:02, 31 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Just noticed the archive.org site mentioned. Not sure what to think about it. Seems a bit sketchy. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 20:05, 31 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Masters of Mars ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?25817; I added archived link to Queen back in May, just added link in a PENDING edit to Haydn (which was uploaded in 2011 so I'm not sure why I didn't add that link when I added Queen), but, as with his Five Worlds series, #2, Sebastian, is missing. Do you have a copy? Also, title dates and book dates for the Mars books don't match so either dates on copyright pages or Amazon dates should be used for all. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:38, 31 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I have copies of all the books in this series. (All PV'd by me). The dates on the pub records match the dates on the copyright pages. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 20:08, 31 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Survival Margin ==<br />
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● I added a new cover image to your verified listing of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?269091 Survival Margin] from my copy. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 04:49, 1 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Did You Say Chicks ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?10111; Archive.org copy uploaded way back in 2011 so I added a link in a PENDING edit; editor has no middle initial on title page or anywhere else except contents page and editor's story's title page so editor's name should be fixed if your copy is the same. Also, ISBN on copyright page and back cover are different so a note should be made of that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:02, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
: Edit submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:44, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Duplicate Reginald Numbers ==<br />
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Hi GlennMcG -<br />
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I'm going to add a note to your verified record {{P|3346|Aubade for Gamelon}}. The catalog number assigned for your publication in {{Reginald3}} is also assigned to a second book. There are a few of these mistakes in Reginald and I'm adding notes cross referencing the two publications. Please let me know if you have any concerns. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:13, 14 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Genesis Cover Art ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?283242; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15204; Rick Lieder has a few credits as by Leider here so I'm trying to make variants but for this book there's no credit inside and the cover is signed Lieder on lower right corner so I think it should be changed to that, no variant. EDIT: Oddly, this one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4661, does actually credit him on copyright page and it does say Leider so I'll have to make that a variant. Also, there might be a signature on the cover next to the word Grant but it's hard to tell what it spells. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?985709; I added Archive.org link in a PENDING edit and it says Leider with no signature on the cover that I can see. Finally, Winter Knight has Lieder on copyright page and was entered as such but this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?986241, also has Lieder, [https://www.picclickimg.com/images/g/aqQAAOSwUbpgxW7y/s-l1600.jpg], but was entered here as Leider so that should be changed, too, no variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:12, 20 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Best Time Travel Stories of All Time ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35928; I have 2 PENDING edits adding Archive.org links to both editions of this book and the PB says "December 2003" on copyright page, not March 2004. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:26, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
: edit submitted. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 16:19, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Nine Horrors and a Dream Cover ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?24316; While doing some J. P. Brennan edits I noticed FantLab's cover was a bit better (bigger and better-framed; ID fully visible on top left) so I replaced Bookscans cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:49, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Cyteen hardcover ==<br />
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Would you object if I make the following changes to the hardcover edition of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8537 Cyteen]? Change the page count to [7]+680 with the first map on [6] and the second map on [7]. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:03, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Whoops! I was just reminded that these should be Roman numerals in this case. So the page count would be [vii]+680 and the maps would be on [vi] and [vii]. Sorry for any confusion! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 18:13, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Sounds good. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 19:28, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Juggler ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?42347; I have a PENDING edit adding Archive.org link, LCCN, and $5.95 price. You entered Canadian price correctly in the notes so I assume your entry of $4.95 for the US price was just a mistake and it doesn't say that in your copy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:55, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Empire by Orson Scott Card ==<br />
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Added an image for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?219865 your verified pub]. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 22:05, 18 December 2023 (EST)</div>
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== Post-submission pages for Edit Publication submissions updated ==<br />
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All "Modified Content" tables displayed on EditPub post-submission pages have been updated. Table cells which used to say "Current" now display a link to the Title ID about to be modified. Multiple yellow warnings are now displayed correctly and include the names of new/alternate name/disambiguated authors.<br />
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This pretty much completes the cleanup of post-submission pages. As always, if you come across errors or anything unexpected, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:30, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The software has been tweaked to display a yellow warning if a non-existing series, publication series or publisher matches a disambiguated record of the same type. For example, this yellow warning will be displayed if a submission uses "The Rules" in the "Series" field because we already have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?62626 The Rules (F. T. Lukens)] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?55408 The Rules (Aaron Oster)] on file. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:26, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Several Problems ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5590099; I was going to cancel this since nobody came to an agreement about what the publisher should be but when I looked at it I realized the note makes no sense because it describes a 1977 date for this 1983 book, also edit history's 2014 entry is offset from the rest so there seems to be a problem there, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:36, 1 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Resurrected Holmes ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?33870; I made some edits, still pending, adding March to the title date, correcting the title to "The Resurrected Holmes" since whoever entered info here went by the cover title and not the title page plus I imported the "Giant Rat" story in the HC into the TP. The contents are on OL and there's an Archive.org copy of the TP; if anyone knows which of the contents are genre or were written by authors above-the-threshold they may want to flesh the records out, but be aware that 1 story, R. Lupoff's "The Adventure of the Boulevard Assassin", was reprinted in his collection Claremont Tales II as "The Adventures of the Boulevard Assassin" so a variant will be needed; unlike the few other non-genre stories in that collection nobody entered a note saying where it originally came from even though it says so on the copyright page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:25, 1 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Introduction Title Question ==<br />
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An editor submitted [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5626362 this edit] changing the titles of the two introductions in {{P|602865|this publication}}. For each introduction, there is the word Introduction in a large font over an author credit (e.g. "by China Miéville") in a significantly smaller font. Each essay is also signed with the author's name at the end of the text. I had originally considered the byline to be a simple author credit and thus titled each essay simply "Introduction (The Left Hand of Darkness)". However, the signature at the end gives me pause. I think I still agree with my original title, but I see how it could be interpreted differently. Also if we include the byline as part of the title, should we still disambiguate. What do other folks think? --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:00, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I consider the byline to be just an author credit as well. We already have the author in the author field, adding “by author” to the title feels like an overkill. If we decide to keep it in the title, it still needs disambiguation IMO - it is as generic as Introduction on the author’s page after all. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:37, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::If I may explain how I arrived at the proposed titles. Usually there is only one novel introduction and where that is the case, it is simply titled "Introduction" and may or may not be signed. Here, we have two introductions (the Miéville one being added for this Masterworks II edition). To make it clear to readers whose introduction each is, the publishers have extended the title to include the author's name (probably for the first time) and, for our purposes, have created a variant title. In the notes I have tried to make it clear that the title is as it appears above the work (as the titling rules require) and not just a whim on my part. That we also have the author in the author field I consider as just a system function. I added the disambiguation for the purposes of the author's page, as noted above. Hope that helps. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:16, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: I still do not think we should add it as part of the title - we never add the author name to the title unless it is incorporated cleanly and a byline is not an incorporation for me. I understand how you came up with the titles but I just do not think that we should be doing that. Two introductions or an introduction and a foreword are essentially the same thing from our perspective - but you are proposing we handle one of these differently from the other because they happen to both be called introductions. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:55, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::I agree with Annie. It's not part of the title. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:38, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Thanks for those answers, but I'm left unclear as to what you mean by "unless it is incorporated cleanly and a byline is not an incorporation". I think I get the meaning but can you expand on that a little. Does it follow that if the author's name appears above the essay it should always be treated as a byline and therefore ignored? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:23, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::: Unless it is part of the title organically, the author name does not get added to the title regardless of where it is on the page - below, above, in between the two lines of a title, led or not led by “by”. Otherwise as most title pages out there have the author name, one can take your argument to the extreme and make a case that we always add the author name to the title of stories, books, essays and so on because it is on the page after all; your case is not different from that really even if you are restricting it to a limited usecase in your mind - there is no reason to mad an exception here. So “Isaac Asimov Presents” keeps the name as part of the title because it cannot be separated. Or “Neil Gaiman Talks About Things”. Similarly to how we do not keep a series title inside of a title for example. We are not ignoring it - we just have a different place for it in our record so we use that. Just like we do with series names. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 00:26, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::Thanks for taking the time to explain that clearly. As I couldn't find anything in the help pages, it's been nagging at me :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:46, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== F. Cantor ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?26927; People here have been working on Silverberg's anthology Mirror of Infinity, cover artist Fred(erick) Cantor only has credits for that and The Exorcist, cover image of which has been used countless times on later editions, but he also has 1 interior credit for a cover of John Farris novel All Heads Turn... but there's no cover credit on any edition on ISFDB. So which cover did he do? Also, there's 1 credit here for Frederik Cantor for a reprint edition of Exorcist that he didn't do the cover for, it being just an image from the film, so that is something to look into, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:04, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Conan ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/conan00howa; https://archive.org/details/conan0000unse; One very old Archive.org upload, one fairly new, I'm not sure about the Ace edition because there's no updated date on the copyright page, whether it's the '77 or '79 (with illustrations) edition, neither is PV so if anyone wants to do something with them, also that British edition's notes are unclear, long-gone PV says reprinted 1977 but wrote reprint line from copyright page below that so I don't know if they had an edition that actually said 1977 because the Archive.org copy doesn't, I don't know the history of these endless Conan reprints at all but I know others here do so they may want to do something with this, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:38, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Brian Williams ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?8790; I just made an edit adding link to copy of Vampirium, one of those Lone Wolf game books, and the cover artist, Brian Williams, was also the interior artist but that wasn't entered so I did it. Now the problem is he died in 2010 but there are multiple entries on ISFDB after that date; I believe this guy, https://fantlab.ru/autor13980, wrote those series novels while the deceased was the artist, but the problem with that is the last 3 interior art credits are for books written by the novelist, implying that he illustrated some of his own books. Then there's the question of which Williams wrote the 2 70's letters and the 5 short stories spanning early 80's to 2013. Who knows which one did those 3 computer magazine stories but "Tie Your Own Rope" was done for a White Wolf anthology, a well-known gaming company, so maybe the artist wrote a story now and then, but then the last story was written for a disturbing sex anthology that I remember writing about on these boards once before, and I can't picture either one of these Williams writing a story for that, especially since the artist died a few years before it was published, so that's possibly a third Williams. There's also the fact that while the first 4 cover credits are gaming-related as is Vampirium, 2 others are for gay-themed anthologies and the last is for an obscure American horror magazine. Note also another Brian Williams, a comic artist, is on ISFDB being interviewed (possibly the same guy as the above artist except the interview is dated more than 6 months after he died; different guy or long lag time before publication?) and there's another Williams who wrote a dragon fantasy novel in 2018 from a UK self-publisher so not likely to be by the above novelist whose books are from major publishers. So untangling is needed if anyone is interested. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5627339; This one was missing both cover artist and interior artist so whenever the artist is separated into his own record I have a feeling there'll be a lot more books than the 2 I edited that are missing his credits here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:29, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Lost story, no title, no author, only rough memories of the plot ==<br />
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This is set WAY WAY WAY far in the future. The location of Earth has been lost in time. Horses and dogs are coequals with humans in society. A horse approaches a young and wealthy woman and offers her something amazing if she'll help him find and restore old Earth. To cut it short, he lets her have a horseback ride. She falls in love with it, and becomes INSANELY wealthy, sends out scout ships, finds Earth, terraforms it, and hands it over to the non-human members of society. The horse gives her another ride and they all live happily ever after.<br />
Sorry to not be more eloquent. I just finished a 12 hour shift at the ambulance company's dispatch center where I work.<br />
Thank you very very much.<br />
Sak1776 <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Sak1776|Sak1776]] ([[User talk:Sak1776|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sak1776|contribs]]) .</small> 20:39, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:If no one can answer your question here, we have a few other sites that can help listed at [[ISFDB:FAQ#I need help finding a book]]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:00, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I checked around with a few people and they suggested it was "[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?63400 Dreams Done Green]" by Alan Dean Foster. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:25, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yes this is definitely "Dream Done Dream" by Foster.[[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] ([[User talk:Zybahn|talk]]) 23:14, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Nordon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=leisure+b&type=Publisher; Many of the books on ISFDB as by Leisure Books are actually by Leisure Books / Dorchester Publishing so when I come across them I fix them, but for some reason 5 books on ISFDB are under the Nordon name. The problem with that is all the early Leisure books before they hooked up with Dorchester in the mid-80's say published by Nordon on the copyright page (93 of them were found by doing a text search on Archive.org); the Dorchester name is used here to differ the later books from the earlier ones so there's no need to do that for the early books. Would there be any objection to me changing those 5 to just Leisure Books so they merge with all the hundreds of other books by that publisher here? Only 1 of the Nordon books is PV (by MLB). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:30, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wasteworld ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?19205; 4th one's a chapbook but 1st one has same page count so shouldn't it be so, too? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:11, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Expired Link ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34362 This publication] has a note regarding the cover art followed by a link. The flickr page being directed to no longer exists--in such a case can I simply remove the note or is it customary to notify a PVer? I do not know which one had left the note. Thanks. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] ([[User talk:Zybahn|talk]]) 22:18, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It's Mavmaramis's link - I've notified him. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:22, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Before deleting a link, see if you can find if archived in the web archive. If not, then all we can do is to delete it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:07, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::https://www.flickr.com/photos/markfullerdillon/52607643318; Is that what you're looking for? Also, if you replace old link can you also correct the 2 misspelled words in the note? I've done so for many of this editor's notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:11, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: Thanks to all. I've made the corrections & submitted. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] ([[User talk:Zybahn|talk]]) 21:55, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Throat Sprockets ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?8169; A copy of the rare American edition was just uploaded so I added a link and a bunch of other stuff, including correcting the month which was off by a couple of months, but the 2 even rarer British editions seem to have disappeared almost entirely, with no eBay copies I can see or any online scans of anything besides the cover. The one review I could find, https://criminolly.com/2021/10/27/throat-sprockets-review/, has a different page count than either edition and a month that neither have. So if anyone owns a copy or can actually do better than me and find online info it would help. Poor Mr. Lucas lost his wife recently so it would be nice to flesh out and correct his info here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:02, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Leviathan Awakes (excerpt) (sic) by James S. A. Correy (sic) ==<br />
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I stumbled across [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2231009 this] by chance the other day, with both [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1272911 the title] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?155601 author name] incorrect. It's strikes me that 2 errors is perhaps more likely to be down to data entry here than mistakes by the publisher, but it's from [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?345034 a 2011 pub] transient verified by an editor who has not been active for several years. Any thoughts on whether the appropriate varianting and note-adding is the best course of action, or instead to correct the title and editor fields?<br />
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FWIW, some cursory Googling threw up [https://isulibrary.isunet.edu/index.php?lvl=notice_display&id=8781 a library entry] that indicates the correct title and author name was used. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 09:15, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:https://openlibrary.org/books/OL25033756M/Degrees_of_freedom; One of those OL-only non-preview things; search inside says Leviathan Wakes by James S. A. Corey. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:16, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks, I have now updated title and author name, and made a parent title for the real authors Franck and Abraham. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:26, 12 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== E. Borgese ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5623541; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=borgese&type=Name; Will my rejected edit be un-rejected if my fixing of her name in the original Brit edition is made a variant or variant is deleted or whatever it is that needs to be done? I'm confused. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:15, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:That won't fix the issue. The problem is that the add publication submission was made to add a publication to the title by Elizabeth (with a moderator note that you were adding it with the incorrect name). Your subsequent submission updated both the existing title and publication records to Elisabeth. I was not aware of your second submission until after I rejected the first, but it wouldn't have mattered. Changing the source record does not update any pending submissions (e.g. your rejected edit). Had you done these two submissions in the opposite order, and waiting until the name change was approved before submitting the add publication, you would have been fine. The other way you could have done it, was to submit your first edit as a new publication. Then, when both were approved, you could merge the title records. At this point you can submit a new Add Publication from the updated title record (Elisabeth). By the way, there is a second step that is still required for your change of the existing title record from Elizabeth to Elisabeth. Since you changed it to a variant name, you need to make the altered record into a variant of the canonical name. Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:56, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::But her real first name is spelled with an S, so that should be the parent name. There's nothing on ISFDB that was published as by "Elizabeth Mann Borgese". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:23, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Well, we currently have 11 title records that have been published as by [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?13609 Elizabeth Mann Borgese]. We have no concept of "real name", we only reflect how things have been published. The canonical name is the name by which the author is best known in the field. You'll note that her legal name, as Elisabeth, is reflected in the legal name field. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:57, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::They weren't really published as by Elizabeth in her collection, whoever entered the original Brit edition here (Chris J? He's first in edit history) incorrectly wrote her name that way and thus she's credited that way. Her American edition also says Elisabeth so it's not like they changed the spelling due to some British/American differences, it's just wrong. So her name needs to be changed to Elisabeth for all those stories and then when everything says Elisabeth my edit adding the American edition can be un-rejected, re-added, whatever. I just saw a full wraparound cover online so that'll be something extra to upload that wasn't in my rejected edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:10, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::There are two issues that you are talking about. First, you submitted an edit to add a new publication, but you submitted incorrectly. I don't think your edit could be unrejcted even if all instances of "Elizabeth Mann Borgese" were changed to "Elisabeth Mann Borgese" (i.e. the two authors are merged). Even that is impossible because there are publications where the author is credited as "Elizabeth Mann Borgese" (e.g. [https://archive.org/details/Fantasy_Science_Fiction_v017n01_1959-07_PDF/page/n67/mode/2up here]). Regardless, there is nothing that can be done to change the author's name in your rejected edit that you submitted as Elizabeth. Even if "Elizabeth Mann Borgese" was deleted from the database, your edit would re-add the name as a new author were it approved. I've mentioned above the best way to proceed. I noticed that you did not include the content in your rejected edit. The content from the other record cannot currently be imported because the title records have the incorrect name. There are two ways to bring these records into shape.<br />
:::::# You could edit the existing collection and change the author credit for those stories that appear only in that collection. You would also need to remove any stories that are published elsewhere from the collection, then re-add them with the correct credit. There is a further step in that variants need to be made, but I'll discuss that below when covering the second overall issue.<br />
:::::# Alternatively, you could manually add all the stories, with the correct credit, when you re-add the George Braziller publication. You could then remove all the stories from the MacGibbon & Kee publication and import the ones with the correct author credit from the other pub. Again variants will need to be made to finish the process.<br />
:::::The second issue is what name needs to be canonical for this author. Absent evidence to the contrary, I would assume that all other publications are correctly credited. That leaves us with 6 titles in 13 publications credited to Elizabeth. There are 10 titles appearing in 3 publications as Elisabeth. I'm not counting translations which are all variants anyway. You could argue that the canonical name be changed to Elisabeth, but I'd recommend proposing that in a separate thread. Also, would you be volunteering to do this work (it's many edits)? You would need to move all the author data from the current canonical record to the new one; Break all of the parent child author name relationships; Make all new alternate names variants of the new canonical name; Merge any titles with the new canonical name where the former parent name appeared in no publications, deleting the parent title relationship; Change the author credit of any titles with the former canonical name that appear in no publications to the new canonical name. Break any remaining parent child story relationships; Make any remaining titles by alternate name variants of the new canonical name. If you don't want change the canonical name and can't find someone else to do it, or the community decides to keep it as Elizabeth, you'll need to finish the above edits by making the new Elisabeth titles into variants of Elizabeth. Again, I hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:09, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::Dude, as I've mentioned somewhere on the message boards before, I was hit in the head a few times when I was a kid, many years ago, so I'm a little slow, and my mind has been rapidly deteriorating recently due to personal and external issues, which shows in the occasional misstep I've made here lately which is highly unusual for me, so I don't have a clue what it is you're asking me to do; you and others here seem to forget that I've said more than once that I'm a total amateur with no background in anything literary who just started doing this a few years ago to pass the time (which makes the fact that I have one of the largest number of non-moderator edits in the history of this site even more remarkable). I'm just about done doing this, anyway, for many reasons, and am mostly doing simple stuff these days, so I have a suggestion; you mentioned recently that you're still in contact with this Chris J, so maybe you can ask him if he's the one who entered the name wrong and, if so, why. If it was him, maybe you can convince him, now that I have brought the American edition to everyone's attention, to do whatever it is you said above. I notice that the Archive.org copy was uploaded in September, 2015 and his first entry in the edit history was November, 2015, so the correct spelling of her name was available at the time. If nobody wants to do any of this, it won't bother me. I've done hundreds of edits since this one and can barely remember it, anyway. I'm sure, though, that the ones here who like to variant every name and title difference would want to see it entered; people who've searched for her on this site over the years may have come away disappointed because her name has been wrong for so many years. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:48, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::I'm not going to contact another editor on your behalf. Chris J's talk page is [[User talk:Chris J|here]]. However, there is no point in contacting Chris. None of the edits in the history added the content to the record. Even if we could determine who added the records incorrectly, what would be the point of contacting that person? They could have been working from a secondary source that was incorrect, but in the end, it doesn't matter. You've discovered an error in a record and you've fixed only part of that error. That's good, but the job isn't finished. The bare minimum to fix this record is:<br />
:::::::# Go to the {{T|1931892|title record}} where you changed the name and use the Make This Title a Variant tool to make it a variant of the canonical name. Use Option 2 and enter the canonical name, "Elizabeth Mann Borgese" and click Create New Parent Title.<br />
:::::::# Go to the {{P|547020|publication record}} and use the Edit This Pub tool to edit the record. For each story where the edit fields are not disabled, change the author's name to "Elisabeth Mann Borgese". For all other stories, add "delete" to the page number, use the add title button to add a new row and copy the title of each story to the new title field, enter "Elisabeth Mann Borgese" as the author for the new author field. You can enter this edit at the same time as the one above.<br />
:::::::# After the above edit is approved, go back to the {{P|547020|publication record}} and use the Remove Titles From This Pub tool. Mark each title with delete in the page number.<br />
:::::::# For each title that does not have a parent title (you can find them all at {{A|Elisabeth Mann Borgese}} after the above edits are approved). You need to go to each title and use the Make This Title a Variant tool to link the title to the appropriate parent. At this point, the parent titles should exist. Find each matching title at {{A|Elizabeth Mann Borgese}}. Take note of the Title Record # at the top right of the screen. In the make variant screen, use Option 1 and enter the title number to link the titles.<br />
:::::::Making variants when an alternate name is used is not something that is optional or done only when people like to. It's a data integrity issue that needs to be resolved. As it stands, this record will show up on several cleanup reports until it is fixed. Also, there is no problem in searching by an alternate name. If set up correctly, each alternate name has a link to the canonical name, as does all 4 of Ms. Mann Borgese's alternate names. By the way, when you being one of these multi-step edits, it is generally a good idea to let the moderator know that you intend the next steps by adding it to the moderator note. I've tried to give you complete instructions, but if you have any questions when attempting this, please reach out either here or on the [[ISFDB:Help desk|Help desk]]. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:31, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Number Line ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/nailedbyheart0000clar_p5s1; What printing is this? It's 3rd, isn't it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:49, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Yes, the 3rd - the lowest number on the list gives you the current printing (with a special note for some number lines that contain a year as well as a printing number). That specific configuration of numbers is a pretty common one. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:48, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK. I asked because of this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5625372, where either I goofed or there was some hiccup when I entered it, so I made a new edit with the right cover, but the 2002 edition on Archive.org matches the ISFDB note which says "third printing" yet the mod who rejected this said 4th printing, which I had a feeling was wrong. I'll now add a link in that record. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:53, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Heaven Maker ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1518099; I recently added the 2014 TP and a link to the Archive.org copy which was recently uploaded; why page count is different between all 3 editions is unknown, someone entered them for the HC and they seem accurate, final essay starting on p. 249 and page count being 254, while TP is 20 pages longer but doesn't seem to have any extra material, but more importantly is while importing HC contents into TP and adding page numbers I now notice that the foreword, which is actually titled Forward in the book, is by Janis McKay, who is actually Janis Mackay per signature, an author with several credits on ISFDB, while the intro is actually by Herbertson. So if anyone can get a hold of the original HC edition and verify it's the same then those can be corrected. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:30, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Magnus Fin ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?30867; Print editions are all same price, one says TP, one PB, and one "unknown", in case anyone knows which they should all really be. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:33, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
: They are all the standard B format in UK (a few mm under 20 cm) - which is a tp in our DB. I've fixed the 2 that were added in error. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:51, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Tenth Time (A)round ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?74425; I randomly came across that Venture issue on Archive.org, a Brit magazine that apparently reprinted F&SF with added illustrations, if I'm understanding it correctly, and I immediately noticed a problem; McIntosh's story, which ISFDB claims is only "Tenth Time Round" in Venture, is the same in F&SF, too; it's not "Tenth Time Around". There are some active PV so I'm not touching it but this seems like a fairly big change so I thought I'd mention it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:36, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I updated the title in {{P|61294|The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction, May 1959}} based on the [https://archive.org/details/Fantasy_Science_Fiction_v016n05_1959-05_PDF/page/n3/mode/2up Internet Archive scan] and notified the active verifiers. I will also expand {{P|351769|Venture Science Fiction, October 1964}} based on its Internet Archive scan. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:34, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::https://archive.org/search?query=%22venture+british+ed%22&sort=-addeddate; I think these are all the issues available, in case anything else needs fixing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:54, 8 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Thank you. Searching for Venture Science Fiction only returned the one hit and Venture too many. I appreciate you finding a good search term. I will add the links to the magazines and make updates as needed. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:08, 8 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pranks ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?17626; I've been trying to fix publisher Leisure as many of their old books here as by Leisure Books were wrongly entered here with Dorchester in the publisher; with this book I have a vague memory of working on it last year, trying to get all the cover images to match price/ID entered here, and after adding an Archive.org link to the 3rd one I noticed the 1st one, entered by ChrisJ in 2014, is the same as the 3rd one (which I entered last year) except he used the original edition's 1983 date instead of the reprint's 8/89 date which is on the copyright page, so I think the 1st one can be deleted. The 2nd one has a broken image and a Not Found message when it's clicked; I see that I made an edit some time ago for that, too, but obviously if the image was broken back then it would have been noticed. So does anyone have any ideas about that? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:58, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Plus qu'humains ==<br />
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https://openlibrary.org/works/OL19267614W/Les_plus_qu%27humains?edition=key%3A/books/OL26778119M; Full cover, which none of the images on ISFDB show, with a date that's earlier than other editions with that cover, so French-fluent editor may want to add it, re-date the cover art, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:45, 6 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Robert Wise ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?4333; Cover of J. Rovin's UFO Movie Quiz Book says intro by Wise (who was a famous director) so I added that here and put (director) after his name to differ him from the Wise on ISFDB who wrote Christian novels; interview is also by the other Wise, https://www.ebay.com/itm/371173025862, as the seller mentions in his description. Now that it's an interview about films should it be deleted or should (director) be added to that, too? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:52, 7 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:My edit was finally approved; how about that interview? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:48, 20 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ad Astra's analysis of our data ==<br />
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In "James Gunn's Ad Astra" #12 (the current issue), René Walling writes an essay on "Report: Books, Creators and Series, 1800-2018", in which he does a statistical analysis of books published in the genre during the specified period. He analyzes 168,012 genre books, of which 162,140 come from isfdb, and another 5,872 come from "The Locus Index to Science Fiction" and the "SFBooklist". He focuses his attention on (1) Number of books and creators; (2) Number of books published by an author; and (3) Number of series published. And, of course, how these numbers vary over time. If you're interested, the article is online at https://www.adastrasf.com/report-books-creators-and-series-1800-2018/. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] ([[User talk:Chavey|talk]]) 12:47, 7 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Of course there are lots of question about the data he generated, e.g. Did he count translations as different books? Did he use our non-genre flag? Did he correctly process our "variants" of a title? etc. Nevertheless, it may still be slightly interesting to some. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] ([[User talk:Chavey|talk]]) 12:55, 7 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Curious. Comparing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/stats.cgi?8 Percent of Titles in Series by Year] generated by our weekly reports and the "ISFDB" column in [https://www.adastrasf.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Issue-12-Table_6.png Table 6: Percent of books in a series per year, 1891-2018], I see that the numbers are somewhat different. It makes sense since we count "novels" and "short fiction" separately while René Walling apparently consolidated everything that he considered "books":<br />
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::* Novels, chapbooks, collections, anthologies and nonfiction books related to the genres of fantasy, horror and science fiction, i.e. found in one of the above mentioned lists, were all included.<br />
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:: Moreover, our chapbook records do not have "series" information, which will inevitably affect the stats. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:03, 7 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Doubleday and The Crime Club ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=crime+club&type=Publisher; I did an edit for the Gores/Pronzini Tricks and Treats anthology and made Doubleday into Crime Club / Doubleday, but ISFDB has a jumble of different ways that people added the publisher, with the Crime Club / Doubleday one also having Doubleday Crime Club as a pub. series with many more books than the publisher has, some of which are from the Doran era which has its own separate entry here, Crime Club / Doubleday Doran, while I think none of the ones as by Doubleday / Crime Club make sense because Doubleday was the publisher. So if anyone wants to take a look at this some merging/standardization would probably help. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:28, 8 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Touchstone Awards for Individual Poems ==<br />
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Hi,<br />
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Joshua Gage's speculative fiction poem, "Penrose process . . ." has been long listed for the 2022 Touchstone Awards for Individual Poems by The Haiku Foundation. <br />
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I would like to have this award added to those supported by the ISFDB software, as the award does recognize poetry in the speculative fiction genre.<br />
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The Haiku Foundation, as part of its mission to expand possibilities for English-language haiku, created the Touchstone Awards Series in 2010 for individual haiku and senryu (The Touchstone Award for Individual Poems) and books (The Touchstone Distinguished Books Award). In 2022, the Touchstone Award for Individual Haibun was added to recognize individual haibun.<br />
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All awards seek to reward excellence and innovation each calendar year. Results are determined through a year-long nomination and selection process and are released the following year on April 17, International Haiku Poetry Day. Award recipients are selected by independent panels comprised of authorities in the field.<br />
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https://thehaikufoundation.org/touchstone-poem-awards/<br />
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https://thehaikufoundation.org/2022-touchstone-awards-for-individual-poems-long-list/<br />
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Thank you. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:SillyWilly|SillyWilly]] ([[User talk:SillyWilly|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SillyWilly|contribs]]) .</small><br />
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: Thanks for bringing this award to other editors' attention. It appears to be legitimate and I see no reason not to create an Award Type record for it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:10, 10 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Utopia Awards ==<br />
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Hi,<br />
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Several ISFDB titles have been nominated (or won) the inaugural 2022 Utopia Awards. Considering their website, it appears to be legitimate.<br />
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https://www.android-press.com/2022-utopia-award-nominees<br />
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Would it be possible to add it to the database?<br />
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Thanks. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alittlebook|contribs]]) .</small> 09:52, 10 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I suggest waiting to see if they are awarded a second time. I can't find much about them outside of that one site. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:00, 10 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Richard Hill ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=richard+hil&type=Name; This falls under the category of "never assume anything". So I randomly found a copy of Squane's Journal #4 (1997) on eBay, a special Ramsey Campbell issue, and took the time to enter the extensive essays included, 1 of which was by a Richard Hill. Something seemed familiar about that name and, being fairly common, I checked to make sure there weren't others with that name here. It turns out that there's a Richard Hill from the USA who wrote a few SF stories in the early 70's, but he had 1 story that was dated many years after he died in 1999. Turns out that story belonged to Richard Hill (I), who wrote a few recent stories in horror publications. However, under this (I) was a 1980 anthology, Hot Air, which I entered in 2021, although I have very little recollection of doing so and apparently just did it so I could enter the original appearance of Ramsey Campbell's story "Out of Copyright" in this obscure British publication. Thinking I was clever, I added a (II) to the editor of Hot Air and also added it to the poem's author since that was written for an early 90's anthology, Now We Are Sick, edited by 2 Brits and so was almost certainly by the same Hill. However, after these edits were approved, I clicked on the Horror Zine bio under Hill (I) and discovered that, I think, the Hill who's written a few recent horror stories is the SAME GUY as the Brit Hill, since it mentions him being from Liverpool and he's obviously an older guy judging by his photo; there's also another bio I found, http://www.thehorrorzine.com/Fiction/June2012/Hill/RichardHill.html, which describes him as a widely published poet, and I notice that in the first bio there's a poem reproduced from who knows where; the title of it, Slick Jack Brady, is completely unknown to Google. So it seems a guy who edited an ultra-obscure mainstream Liverpool travelogue that's only remembered today because Campbell had a story in it decided after 30 years to suddenly write short stories in mostly American magazines (although his last story on ISFDB was in a Brit anthology). So I think I should change the 3 entries as (II) to (I) unless anyone can tell me that the recent Hill is a totally different guy who just happens to also come from Liverpool. Anyone? Hey, I just noticed something; 2 of the Hills have 1941 entered as their birth date. I assume the USA Hill was verified but I have a feeling the Brit Hill's date may be a mistake, although it's certainly possible that they both just had the same birth date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:20, 13 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Snow Fury ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?258899; [https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/BOcAAOSwwIxjMHRN/s-l1600.jpg]; Shouldn't the date be March? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:17, 14 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Yes. The verifier (who is no longer active) added the pub note stating March so I updated the pub date to match. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:36, 15 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Fekete ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=feket&type=Name; First name probably the same guy as Joe with Jr., Joe without Jr. wrote a story in 1965, could be the same guy or his dad. I noticed this when adding story links to stories in Gateway Magazine; most now have links although a few were dead or couldn't be found. Most of them are terrible, but that's besides the point. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:31, 14 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Russell Miller ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?21117; I added a link to an edition of Bare-Faced Messiah; the short story is by some lawyer, https://www.heroicfantasyquarterly.com/?p=1111, bio at bottom. I don't see anywhere online that mentions Miller stories in those other publications mentioned, 2 of which are genre and 2 of which sound like mainstream magazines. Differing needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:56, 14 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The two authors have been separated. I also updated the story with the link you provided. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:39, 15 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== FK Young ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?165423; The poem and first 2 stories are by some old pulp writer; the new guy is the subject of a recent post on Wormwoodiana. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:52, 17 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:They've been separated. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:17, 20 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Rare Ligotti Story ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5641814; Ligotti.net, according to an article I read, existed in several incarnations and the early ones are lost, but someone got parts of it from somewhere so, while trying to get a link for "Teeth" by Matt Cardin (his first story), the link to which just defaults to the modern Ligotti site and a "not found" page, I saw there were other stories listed, including a few from the man himself. 2 sounded familiar but "Ghost Stories for the Dead" didn't, and it turns out it's never been collected. It was reprinted in Crypt of Cthulhu in '89 but it turns out it's from '82. The index on philsp.com is wrong; E. M. Cioran is not a pseudonym of Ligotti but a real poet, and this article, https://www.ligotti.net/showthread.php?t=527&page=2, mentions his admiration and that he used a quote to introduce "Ghost Stories", which is probably why the index is confused. I mention all this in case anyone ever enters the missing issues of Grimoire here, only 1 and 4 currently, because as usual online info is not to be trusted. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5641848; The feoamante.com site, still online but dead, gave me a link to the old Ligotti site, when they were using a totally different URL, www.longshadows.com, so I've replaced the archived link since this one says 1999 while the previous one said 2019 (although the earliest links are May and October 1999 but when you click on them they refuse to go to those archived pages and instead go to November; spooky). Also, I found Cardin's story "Notes of a Mad Copyist"; it's also on the 2019 archived site but while the old site shows it just fine the new one is completely black and the text needs highlighting to read it; sadly, "Teeth" is missing on the old site, too, and Cardin revised many of his stories for his collections, so it would be good to read the original; if anyone can find it on some other old site I don't know about that would be great. I also discovered that Ligotti's story "Allen and Adelaide" is on ISFDB twice, the 1981 original and the 1989 Crypt of Cthulhu reprint, the difference being & vs. and, so I've made them variants. One I'm not sure about is "Three Scientists", https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2702155, which actually contains the first 3 titles here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360640, with their 1985 dates being because, according to online info, they originated in Songs of a Dead Dreamer, problem being the earliest edition on ISFDB is 1986 and no edition contains any of them. I also notice the first title was in a 1986 poetry best-of, so 1985 is likely correct, except it's actually from 1982, so this is a problem. How to variant the 3 titles to the original umbrella title is the question I have. Also, anyone who can further clean up Ligotti's info would be appreciated. Just now I found his poem "Envoi" on some obscure site and added a link. EDIT: I see that Cardin has several stories which are in his record twice, with one being spelled differently (Theater vs. Theater), so variants likely needed there. I also found a link to his recent huge collection To Rouse Leviathan, https://archive.bookfrom.net/build_in_search/?q=matt+cardin, on a site which probably shouldn't be linked to in his record so I'll just leave it here in case anyone just wants to read the stories. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2749745; 3 titles mentioned in note are also individual stories on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:33, 21 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Balefires ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?215571; 2009 PB on Archive.org, I added a link in a pending edit, I think 2008 PB is redundant and can be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:04, 21 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Duplicate deleted. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:16, 21 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Saxton Stories ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?124321; The variant for "Woe..." is correct, I checked, but "Heads Africa...", as confirmed from PV of Orbit edition where it first appeared, has no comma after Africa but it does in Saxton's collection; also, is it correct that "Gordon's Women" is dated '76, French date, but "Pollyanna Enzyme" is dated '86, collection date, and not '80, German date? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:04, 24 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Razar ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5644587; Bewildering Stories, which only has recent issues indexed here, has many stories in old issues that are here and while adding some links I saw a story, "Groomed", by Chris Bartholomew that jogged my memory. It's in this weird anthology but the problem is 2 of his stories were jumbled together so it's here as "Ante Up Groomed"; I also noticed some of his other stories don't have exactly the same titles as here. So if anyone can access the full issue a lot of fixes can be done, along with page numbers, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:31, 24 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Novelization for Unfilmed Screenplay? ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5638720 this submission]. The [[Template:TitleFields:Novelization|help template]] specifies that the novelization flag is for "novelization of a movie, TV show, game or other '''non-written work'''" (emphasis mine). I may be splitting hairs here, but it strikes me that this work is an adaptation of a screenplay (a written work which would be eligible itself were it published), rather than a novelization. Do we want to include this sort of thing in the novelization flag? --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:39, 25 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:If a film using the screenplay had been made, wouldn't this be a typical novelization? To my simple mind, the act of filming the screenplay has no bearing on the nature of novel. It seems to me novelization should be adaptation-as-a-novel of any work produced for delivery via a non-"reading" medium. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:14, 25 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Perhaps a rewording to something like "novelization '''of the screenplay or script''' of a movie, TV show, game, or other non-written work" (emphasis added to show the new wording). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:00, 25 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Don't replace the word '''movie'''. See [https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?197778 Luana] for a reason. The fact the movie was not filmed (or distributed or shown) seems irrelevant. I'm more in agreement with MartyD's approach, but why limit it to non-"reading"? A play has a script delivered via a non-"reading" medium - acting - so should novels produced from them should be novelizations? Play scripts have been published, though rarely. But do we allow for novelizations from short stories? or poems (Beowolf?)? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 16:30, 25 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I didn't replace the word "movie" in my suggested rewording, so I'm not sure what you mean. Also, I wouldn't call ''Luana'' a novelization since he just made up a story based on the poster and watching a movie in a language he didn't understand. That's not novelizing. That's making it up wholesale, with a little inspiration from visuals. It's a completely different story. <br />
:::As for play novelizations, I'd consider those covered under the "or other non-written work" part. Expanding a short story into a novel is not so much novelization as it is making up entirely new scenarios and plots based on the short content of the original story. Same with a poem. For me, a novelization is an adaptation of a similarly-lengthy (so not short stories or poems) visual medium such as television, movies, games, plays, and the like. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:11, 25 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::If it helps, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novelization Wikipedia] defines it as "a derivative novel that adapts the story of a work created for another medium, such as a film, TV series, stage play, comic book or video game." ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:15, 25 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: FWIW I tagged [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2885785 the Pat Cadigan adaptation of the William Gibson attempt at Alien 3], which seems to be a similar scenario to the edit in question here, as a novelization, and that edit was approved by Annie back in 2021 when I didn't have self mod privs. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 17:18, 25 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) One of the challenges here is that -- in most cases -- we don't know how much the "novelizer" relied on the written script/plot outline that the media work was based on. Chances are that the author watched/played the media work in question at least once, but it's also likely that the author was familiar the script/plot outline. It's entirely possible that some novels/stories which we list as "novelizations" and which say "Based on [media work]!" on the cover were primarily based on script/plot outlines as opposed to on actual media works. (I say this in part because that's how some novelizations read.)<br />
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Because of this uncertainty I would be inclined to use the "novelization" flag and then add a note explaining the gory details. Even if we don't use the flag, we'll want to add notes.<br />
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After reviewing the linked Help template I am also thinking that we could profitably clarify the text in other ways, but that's a separate issue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:25, 25 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I think the clarification should consider what ISFDB wants to consider 'novelization' to be, as opposed to relying on external definitions. Interestingly we have a Note saying that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?20417 Peter Pan] is a novelization of a play, but the Novelization flag is not set. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:22, 26 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: The flag is relatively new -- we used to use the contents field with specifically designed strings before and these were not set as often as the flags are now. I often find such obvious omissions... :) <br />
:: I think that if something claims to be a novelization, we put the flag up and add a note with all the details we know - until more evidence is found that makes that incorrect (then we change the note and explain why it is not a novelization). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:25, 26 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: This may be more of a Rules and Standards topic, but here are my thoughts:<br />
::::* A novelization must follow the same plot as the "media work" being novelized. If a work of written fiction is set in a media universe but has an original plot, it is not a novelization. This rule excludes original novels and stories set in media universes like Star Wars, Star Trek, Warcraft, etc.<br />
::::* A single work of written fiction which follows the plots of multiple TV episodes can be entered as a novelization if the plot is close enough to the original plots. Borderline cases are left to the editor's discretion provided the specific are explained in Notes.<br />
::::* If a script, a screenplay, a libretto or a plot outline (e.g. for a game) which was used to produce a "media work" is subsequently published in written form without alteration, it is ''not'' considered a novelization.<br />
::::* An expansion or amalgamation of pre-existing works of written fiction into another work of written fiction (e.g. fix-ups) is ''not'' considered a novelization.<br />
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== Portuguese Jedi ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?852871; I think this should be a variant of an English-language novel, right? Also, it's Kahn who wrote Star Wars novels, not Khan, so that might be wrong (and James Khan has a recent story in his record, so there may actually be a Khan totally unrelated to the Star Wars guy). This, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1394010, seems to have been done correctly. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:36, 26 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Varianted. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:17, 26 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Fire Worm ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?5223; I just added a link in a pending edit to the Grafton edition; it mentions "Jingling Geordie's Hole" on copyright page, a 1986 Interzone story that (I think) is used for one of the chapters and seems to be mentioned elsewhere in the novel. No edition on ISFDB mentions this fact, so should it be noted somewhere or should the story be imported? Also, and I have a vague memory of asking this before, but the e-reads edition says 1988, which is wrong because that company wasn't founded until 1999. It's 1 of 6 with a too-early date on ISFDB, none PV, so fixing shouldn't be a problem if anyone knows what dates they really should have. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:40, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It might be 1998-12-01, which would work okay. That's around the dawn of ebooks. Also, [https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=31329187634&searchurl=an%3Dwatson%2Bian%26sortby%3D17%26tn%3Dfire%2Bworm&cm_sp=snippet-_-srp1-_-title8 this listing] on Abebooks states the novel is based on the "Jingling Geordie's Hole" short story, so that's what the mention was likely referring to. The short was apparently expanded into the novel. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:10, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I've changed the year based on the assumption 1988 is just a typo. I added a note about it, too. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:13, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::https://openlibrary.org/works/OL3691729W/The_Fire_Worm?edition=key%3A/books/OL8007597M#editions-list; 2002 e-book and 9/2004 PB, so there's probably several releases for each book by the company. Also, I think the complete short story is in the novel, copyright page says the story "first appeared" in Interzone. This, https://archive.org/stream/interzone-26/Interzone26_djvu.txt, says "constructed around" the "originally self-contained" story, so someone more familiar than I with Watson's work would need to see if the story is in the novel complete, spread among the chapters, etc. Likely importing the story would be incorrect but certainly a note could be added mentioning the novel's based around the story. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:41, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== New SFWA "Infinity Award" category ==<br />
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https://file770.com/sfwas-inaugural-infinity-award-honoree-is-octavia-e-butler/<br />
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Looks to be the same sort of thing as the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_category.cgi?412+0 Grand Master Award]. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:37, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Cool. She's a great author. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 22:22, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: The official press release is [https://www.sfwa.org/2023/04/27/the-inaugural-infinity-award-honoree-octavia-e-butler/ here]. As near as I can tell, the first Infinity award will be presented at the 2023 "Annual Nebula Awards® Ceremony", but it will be separate from the Nebula award. Unlike the Bradbury award and the Norton award, the Infinity award is not mentioned on the [http://nebulas.sfwa.org/about-the-nebulas/nebula-rules/ Nebula Rules page]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 00:48, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: FWIW the Grand Master Award isn't listed on that rules page either. Looking at [https://nebulas.sfwa.org/award-year/2021/ their page for last year's awards], Grand Master, Solstice and Service to SFWA are all in a "Other Awards" list on the right, separate from the main "Nebula Awards" list.<br />
::: In passing, I note a couple of potential other issues that might need resolving:<br />
::: * Some of the category naming is inconsistent: the YA, dramatic and service awards have a person's name before them, but we don't have '''Damon Knight''' Grand Master Award or '''Kate Wilhelm''' Solstice Award. Looks like these were renamed after their inception - [SFE says] 2002 for Damon Knight and 2016 for Kate Wilhelm. I know from the likes of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?27 Campbell / Astounding] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?43 Tiptree / Otherwise] that the main award records try to capture name changes, I dunno if there are official rules and standards at the category level<br />
::: * [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?31 The Nebula note] says ''"Note that the "Andre Norton Award" and the "Ray Bradbury Award" are awarded at the same time, although they aren't strictly Nebulas"'', but this is contradicted by the SFWA rules page which references "The Andre Norton Nebula Award" and "The Ray Bradbury Nebula Award", and that on the 2021 results page, they are listed alongside the other Nebulas, rather than the "Other Awards" sidebar. I have a vague recollection that they might have become "proper" Nebulas - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebula_Award Wikipedia] says this happened in 2019.<br />
::: Anyone with more insight or opinion on these? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 07:04, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: I think we discussed the SFWA Grand Master Award at some point after its name was changed to "Damon Knight Memorial Grand Master Award". If memory serves, we considered renaming it to "Grand Master Award / Damon Knight Memorial Grand Master Award", but it felt awkward. Now that we have more experience with changing award names, I think expanding the award name would be a good idea.<br />
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:::: As to whether the Norton and Bradbury awards are technically Nebula categories, I have reviewed [https://daviddlevine.com/2019/04/i-am-now-officially-a-nebula-award-winner/ the 2019 blog post] that the Wikipedia article links to and I am still not sure I understand how it works. It would be best to find an official announcement before we start changing things.<br />
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:::: In the meantime, I have created a new [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?103 Award Type record], a new [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_category.cgi?1065+0 Award Category record] and a new [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?78337 Award record] for {{A|Octavia E. Butler}}. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:10, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Clint Smith ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5648349; SFE says it's not the same guy as the later horror writer; https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/smith_clint. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:02, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I sent a message to the SFE editors asking about that since their bio says to not confuse the Clint Smith they list with the one who did the Gholjaw collection, but they list the Ghouljaw collection in that same bio. In the meantime, I've added a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?362778 Clint Smith (I)] entry until we know more. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:08, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: The SFE entry has been fixed and I have added notes to the ISFDB record. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:12, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Carl (J.) Hoffman ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5648405; Here's a weird one. This rare book was uploaded recently so I made the above edit, checked afterwards for Carl J. Hoffman, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2144766, I think it's a mistake and should be this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?945236. Mistake by editor here or Italian editor in the Horror Story anthology? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:09, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Third Alternative #6 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?61651; I fixed a poem title ("Latest Things") and there's a story that's dated March here, there's 2 mentions in the zine of March, I propose all contents and issue itself be dated March. Yes or no? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:59, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:I think if you could find a scan of #5 and it had an "In March" section on the TOC page (as this one has "In July"), you could use March and cite that as the source of the date. Unfortunately, there's no source cited for the March date on "The Bee Keepers", so we can't tell if there was something ascribing a March date to this issue and how authoritative that source might be. Otherwise, the standard treatment for issues with timing specified by season is to use just the year, so we're stuck. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:42, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dom and Va ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5648943; ISBN trouble. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:19, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:That's what shows on the copyright page as well as the LOC entry, so that's what we go with. I added a couple additional notes based on the Archive.org copy that's linked there. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:56, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Flexi-Disc?!? ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5649045; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5649045; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5649045; Related to my mention here somewhere a while ago that magazines uploaded years ago on Archive.org aren't always complete, I took a look at these since there were only a few issues published. The first 2 had a few things fixed/added, but the 3rd is most interesting. According to front cover, contents, and intro something called a "flexi-disc" with music from The Bridge, an old Skipp & Spector horror novel that apparently was made into a film or something, was included in this issue. Now I'm certainly no youngster but I don't have a clue what that is; was it some pre-Internet music format or something? Was it like a CD? Anyway, the uploader, Sketch the Cow, who added a metric ton of old genre zines years ago, likely removed the disc but it seems to have screwed up the pages because there are several missing. Most alarming is the supposed JK Potter art for the Ray Bradbury poem, a little bit of which is on the contents page but nowhere to be seen in the zine itself. So I think the starting page entered here may be off for at least the poem, possibly others, too. Any chance someone owns a mint copy who's willing to unseal it and respond here? Also, there's always the possibility I missed a few other mistakes in these issues; there's also movie reviews and such that someone may think are worth entering, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:38, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Hi, Username!<br />
: Flexi disc is phonograph record made of thin, literally flexible :) piece of vinyl. <br />
: Those discs used as a means to include sound (speech or music) with printed magazines or sometimes books before CDs.<br />
: For an example, look at the popular Soviet literary and musical magazine [https://back-in-ussr.com/2021/02/sovetskiy-muzykalnyy-zhurnal-krugozor.html "Krugozor"] (the article is in Russian, but it should be clear from the photos). --[[User:Zlogorek|Zlogorek]] ([[User talk:Zlogorek|talk]]) 04:50, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks. I see that I've never left a message on your page in all the years you've been here, so welcome. This Bridge flexi-disc thing is bugging me because there's literally almost no mention of it online that I can find except on discogs.com and a random comment on Goodreads where a guy named "Tom" says "At least I have a flexi-disc of one song from the soundtrack". Highly unusual when every minute detail of almost everything is mentioned somewhere. Skipp and Spector were once 2 of the most popular horror authors around so you'd think this item would be hot stuff but no, nothing. The important thing, though, is finding a complete issue of Iniquities #3 so we can see exactly how the contents are. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:53, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Nina A. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?328172; These are both by Nina Allan. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:23, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I have fixed the Strange Horizon review, as that can be clearly seen to be correctly attributed on the SH webpage.<br />
: The story is a bit more of a pain, because it's in a PVed pub, and there are some other related issues. I'll message the editor in question. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 11:21, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jewish Fiction Award ==<br />
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The [https://jewishlibraries.org/jewish-fiction-award/ Jewish Fiction Award] has been given by the Association of Jewish Libraries to works with significant Jewish themes each year since 2018 (first year they were awarded). It looks like these are the types of awards:<br />
*Winner<br />
*Honor Book<br />
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This is a general fiction award for novels or collections of short fiction by a single author, with genre works winning or receiving honors on occasion. It doesn't appear to be a poll (I can't find details on exactly how the winner is decided each year), there's no fee to enter, works published only as ebooks are not eligible, reprints of previously-published work are not eligible, and the full guidelines are [https://jewishlibraries.org/fiction-award-submission-guidelines/ here]. Should we add it? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:45, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The organization behind the award has been [https://jewishlibraries.org/history/ around for generations] and they have given awards to SF works like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2993594 ''Atomic Anna'']. Looks eligible to me. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:03, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Hearing no objection, I have created a new [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?104 award type], two award categories and two award records. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:36, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Thanks! Those are the only two I could determine are genre. None of the others seemed like genre works. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:03, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Lovecraft Studies ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5650639; A dozen random issues of this magazine were uploaded on Archive.org in 2016 but today, while looking for something else, I stumbled on a single issue that was uploaded by a completely different person in 2021. Surprisingly, there was quite a bit that needed added/fixing; I tried my best, but I'm sure someone can improve on a few things after it's approved. Dirk B. entered it here in 2019 so he might want to look at it. Also, I made a follow-up edit merging "More Chain Lightning" by Lovecraft, keeping 1915 date and essay format. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:23, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mr. Murphy ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5651017; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5651022; There's a note by someone discussing Jim/James A. Moore's name in the anthology but it turns out Murphy's name was wrong here; however, in their novel he really was credited just as Kevin Murphy. There's also a story, "Awake", published in old British horror zine Peeping Tom, many 90's/early 2000's cover art credits (some for books by Moore and so very possibly by the same Murphy who wrote with him), an interview with a guy from the old MST3K show, and a (II) who wrote a letter to Analog in the late 70's. So when my edits are approved the Murphys need separating if anyone can figure out who's who. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:33, 1 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Tinmey ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=tinm&type=Name; Same person, probably. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:49, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Peter Tate ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?11147; Note in his first story says it's slightly different version of the second story. Should they be made variants? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:36, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Looking for 90s e-zine Cosmic Visions ==<br />
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Good afternoon. I am trying to find any information about the late 90s ezine 'Cosmic Visions' that was put out by John Fultz for several years. I spoke to the editor myself, and he said he had no records or copies remaining. Specificaly, I am trying to find the September '97 edition which included a story by Stanley C. Sargent called "Synopticon of Fear". Does anyone have a lead re. any collectors or archivists out there that may be able to point me in the right direction? Thank you! --[[User:MagusManders|MagusManders]] ([[User talk:MagusManders|talk]]) 15:24, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Was it published on a website? If so, do you know what the URL was? Was it published as an ebook? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:46, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::It was an ebook, distributed via PDF from cosmicvisions.com. The website went down in 1998, but there's some archived pages [https://web.archive.org/web/19970414113406/http://www.cosmicvisions.com/ here]. The editor told me that becase the copyrights were donated, each issue had an "expiration" date, but it wasn't clear to me if this meant he would stop distributing it, or if the files actually deleted themselves. And thanks for fixing my posting error. --[[User:MagusManders|MagusManders]] ([[User talk:MagusManders|talk]]) 15:59, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::https://web.archive.org/web/19970416090028/http://www.cosmicvisions.com/html/cvse.pdf; Only PDF in the archived pages as far as I can tell. None of the contents are on ISFDB. Whoopee. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:34, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::https://web.archive.org/web/20111119172143/http://www.stanleycsargent.com/bibliography.html; Looks like he had 5 stories in Cosmic Visions and an interview with Bruce Campbell, star of the Evil Dead movies (evidence of that seemingly nowhere online at present). So I think a lot more than the story you mentioned above are elusive; the only evidence of it I see is your comments on Reddit. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/note_search_results.cgi?OPERATOR=contains&NOTE_VALUE=cosmic+visions; famed author Brian A. Hopkins had a bunch of stories in the zine; non-famous author Sean Rodgers had at least one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:30, 2 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Well, I'm working my way through the archived pages and trying to add what I can find. You can see the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?69784 issue grid here] for what I've entered so far. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:38, 3 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::It looks like a lot of big names were in this zine and it seemed to run for a long time. I keep finding random mentions in online bibliographies and such (even on LYSATOR, for God's sake), but I'd be happy if I could just find the Campbell interview. At least we now have that PDF linked here. Even the guy who ran the zine didn't seem to mention it; he probably forgot it was there. Websites in the nineties are like fossils now. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:52, 3 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Based on what I can find, it appears the magazine folded shortly after the January 1998 issue. I can't find anything in the archives about any issues beyond that one. So, it appears to have lasted about 1.5 years. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:17, 3 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::It looks like Robert Silverberg, Thomas Ligotti, Lin Carter, and Brian Lumley all contributed based on the entry on [http://www.lysator.liu.se/sf_archive/SF_resource_guide/sfrgc4.htm this page]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:31, 3 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I'm curious how you know "Synopticon of Fear" was in the September 1997 issue. I can't find that information anywhere, though I may not be searching for the right information. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:23, 3 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Ah, it's on the [https://web.archive.org/web/20111119172143/http://www.stanleycsargent.com/bibliography.html bibliography page archive] linked by Username, above. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:27, 3 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I think I've gotten the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?17678 Stanley C. Sargent] bibliography as far as I can with the current sources I've found. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:28, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Wow, thank you Nihonjoe and Username! You jumped on this faster than I could have imagined and did more than I could have myself! I am going to try to reach Robert M. Price to see if he has anything in his archives he's able to share, and I'll reach out to you if there's anything to be found. --[[User:MagusManders|MagusManders]] ([[User talk:MagusManders|talk]]) 14:22, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::You're welcome. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:01, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Atwood's Dancing Girls ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5653645; Nobody ever entered original Seal PB so I did from recently uploaded scan but got ISBN trouble. Only site in Google Search with the ISBN without the dashes is Open Library which of course links to Archive.org, but there's also 1 lonely site that has the ISBN with the dashes, https://leavesandpages.com/2012/07/03/review-dancing-girls-by-margaret-atwood/. So somebody out there has a copy with the same ISBN. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:00, 3 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Changing the checksum digit did not result in a valid ISBN. In these cases, we move the ISBN to the catalog field and make a note that it has an invalid ISBN in the pub notes. I have taken care of that. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:34, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Added another link to a copy and replaced cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:25, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_publisher&O_2=contains&TERM_2=seal&USE_3=author_canonical&O_3=contains&TERM_3=atwood&USE_4=pub_note&O_4=contains&TERM_4=isbn&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication]; Bluesman moved ISBN to ID like you did for one of his PV and left some notes in both PV about ISBN; apparently spines need to be seen to get the real ISBN. I just added the month to the 3rd printing using eBay and the ISBN on spine doesn't match that on copyright page, so Seal books were a mess, it seems. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:16, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Constable ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?532472; While adding a bunch of edits for Jonathan Aycliffe books I discovered a lot of the recent editions had wrong covers with somewhat different text. Constable & Robinson is the publisher for most on ISFDB but I also got a Corsair. Problem is most were actually published by the Constable imprint, with that publisher being on the title page and the copyright page mentioning it's an imprint of Constable & Robinson, but there's only a handful on ISFDB with imprint/publisher being entered correctly (I've fixed the few I've come across in my edits). However, Corsair is also an imprint of theirs and yet there are nearly 200 books on ISFDB by them but none as an imprint. That's a separate issue, but I'm only interested in this particular case where Constable is on the title page but copyright page now says it's an imprint of Little, Brown. There doesn't seem to be any combination of those on ISFDB so how should this imprint/publisher be entered? A text search on Archive.org revealed that the copyright text about Little, Brown for Aycliffe books only finds this one. There's several Little, Brown publishers on ISFDB, ISBN 1-4721 leads to several British ones. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:43, 4 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: From the 3 Constable anthologies I have print (*) pubs to hand for, it looks like something changed around 2014/5:<br />
: - [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?423965 Dozois' Best New SF 26] has "First published in the UK by Robinson, / an imprint of Constable & Robinson Ltd., 2013", and no mention of Little, Brown anywhere on the copyright page<br />
: - [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?573707 His Best New SF 29] by contrast has "First published in Great Britain in 2016 by Robinson"; there's no mention of Constable anywhere on the page, but down at the bottom it does have "Robinson / An imprint of Little, Brown Book Group". I note also that the address is the Hachette UK HQ at Carmelite House, whereas the previous 2013 book has Russell Square.<br />
: - [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?550958 The Mammoth Book of Kaiju] is also 2016 and has the same details as Best New SF 29.<br />
: (* I also have a bunch more of their anthologies in ebook that presumably have similar details, but as I'm led to believe that some people don't think there's any value in keeping records of them, I was disinclined to spend time digging them out and investigating further.)<br />
: Re. how these should be entered, I'll let someone more experienced speak to that, but my reading of [[Template:PublicationFields:Publisher]] is that whilst "Foo / Bar" may be preferable to "Foo" or "Bar", neither of the latter are intrinsically "incorrect"? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:59, 4 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK, thanks. Except for the sarcasm. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:07, 4 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Machen Merges ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?55418; Person who entered contents, J.D. Cowan (has their own record on ISFDB) didn't merge anything in the 2nd and 3rd volumes and a few things in the first may not be merged, either, from what I can tell. They seem to have generated a lot of messages on their page about not entering things properly but never answered any of them so it's pointless to leave a message there; if anyone wants to merge all of that I'm letting you know. Machen's stories were published under a mess of slightly different title variations so it probably won't be easy. Also, looking at his ISFDB page I see that stories jump from 1937 to 3 1987 Italian titles, a 2019 Italian title, and a 2022 Portuguese title; the 2019 story, Un frammento di vita, capitolo IV, is possibly the same as the last poem on his page, Un frammento di Vita, so that's another issue. Is it a story or a poem? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:57, 4 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Duplicates merged. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:50, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== FIRE ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5654147; Judging by edit history the title changed back and forth, with Stonecreek, I believe, entering the full title, but shouldn't all words be capitalized? ISFDB doesn't care how it's entered in the book, words should be capitalized, I seem to remember reading that somewhere? Also, Hand's ISFDB author image is the cover of this book; it would be nice if someone could find a good one to replace it with. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:51, 4 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dutch Tilly ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?542210; I have a few suggestions. There's a copy, https://archive.org/details/tillyroman0000pere, which is 111 pages, not 112, unless that last unnumbered page is in some way a part of the novel, in which case a note should be added about last page being unnumbered. Also, the subtitle Roman is not needed because it just means novel and those kinds of things aren't included in titles per ISFDB rules. Most importantly, this is some later edition judging by copyright page and 13-digit ISBN. By the way, there must be other genre-related books from this publisher, right? Because this is the only one on ISFDB. EDIT: I discovered something interesting while adding a link to the English-language edition; it says "a novel" on the cover but "the novel" on the title page because apparently it was originally an audio drama in 1986. So I don't know how exactly English translates to Dutch but if it's "the novel" then possibly that was meant to delineate between this print edition and the original spoken word. In which case subtitle "The Novel" should be added to the English and "Roman" left as is in the Dutch. If anyone cares about something so minor. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:11, 4 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bill Prosser ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/horrorshorrorsho0000unse/page/181/mode/1up; A rare British edition of one of Helen Hoke's thousand or so anthologies was just uploaded on Archive.org, I added a link and fixed the ISBN (which was incorrectly the same as the American ISBN) somebody entered from WorldCat, I think (I have a feeling a lot of stuff is wrong in these books considering how many different editors here entered them over the years and the insane mess of multiple printings, interior art being re-used between USA and British but often totally different cover art, etc.). However, in this case what I want to know is if there's a way to extract an image from the back flap, because there's actually a clear photo of Bill Prosser, who did interior art and British covers which are pretty awesome (sometimes re-used for USA, sometimes not). Date is 1978 but he looks like a dirty hippie who just crawled out of a commune in Haight-Ashbury or whatever the British equivalent of that was so I'm assuming this was an old photo that probably is in other British Hoke editions if anyone could actually find the damn things. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:47, 4 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:If you could update [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:Bill_Prosser.JPG this] page with the appropriate template variables, it should serve. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:08, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I'm a moron. I have no idea what that means so if you could explain further. Also, should I click on the image link and add it to his record in an edit? I think probably yes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:22, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::And I'm a maroon. I didn't know where or how to connect it up and this was the best I could do as it was just graphics. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 22:15, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::I have [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File%3ABill_Prosser.JPG&type=revision&diff=661373&oldid=661301 filled in] the license template. Each template page has the instructions for completing the template. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:37, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Masterless Swords ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5654953; Obscure NZ newspaper article has revealed the contents, the titles of which seem to be nowhere on the web. However, I'm assuming the first 2 should be marked non-genre after this is approved. The article doesn't explicitly state the 3rd story's title but it's implied; there's a copy on eBay which shows title page but not contents page, so if anyone here has a copy that could help with possibly identifying the cover artist, verifying the title, and determining story lengths (I'm guessing it's 3 novellas). EDIT: I thought of searching newspapers.com and got 1 hit in an English paper but sign-up is required so I searched Google, verbatim, and got nothing but searching non-verbatim got 1 hit, https://eresources.nlb.gov.sg/newspapers/digitised/issue/straitstimes19480422-1, which shows a little bit of a review on p. 9 which seems, from the text, like a different review than that above, so if anyone has a subscription or whatever then possibly this review may verify the 3rd story's title, which is the only genre one and the most important. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:18, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:This author is not above the threshold IMO so their non-genre content would not be eligible. While the newspaper review implies the title is the same as the collection title ("third story explains the title"), but it is not explicit. We need a better source for the title. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:21, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jack Red Bear ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5655023; I think the right thing is making original a variant of the more common name, right? If so, shouldn't the date of Strete title be 1977-10-00, date of his collection it appeared in under that name? Also, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=nocka&type=All+Titles, where Strete supposedly wasn't even co-credited in the original and apparently it was by Strete under an alternate title and then the original title in his collection. I'm passing the baton on that one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:56, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I varianted both stories to being by Bear and Strete. Due to how ISFDB works, if they were varianted to just Strete, they would disappear from the Bear page & we'd be left with an empty author page. It seems quite possible Bear was an alternate name for Strete so I added that to the {{A|Jack Red Bear}} author page, but without a source, it will have to remain speculation. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:12, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Selkie Questions ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Willem_H.#Signet_Selkie; I tried discussing things with this guy but he's giving me his usual attitude so I'm going to ask further questions on this board. So I see from edit history that back in my early days here I entered the exact HC date using a clear photo of a review copy slip that's on FantLab. Recently I entered a later printing of the Signet PB but things were messy because the map date said March due to somebody messing with the date long ago, although he claims it was in 2010 but I don't see that anywhere, I think he meant 2009. He fixed the map date so now it should obviously be imported into the HC since that's where it comes from. So do others here see, as I do, that the map is also on p. [6] of the HC like it is in the PB? PV of HC doesn't respond except by e-mail which I'm definitely not sending. He PV it in 2007, prehistoric days in terms of this site, so maybe people weren't entering things like maps back then. Also, if anyone thinks the page count really needs [6] added to it like this guy did for his PB PV they can always add it to the HC and my PB entry, you have my permission, although there's still the case of the mysterious 1990 12th printing entered, possibly, by Bluesman who's long-gone and also where printings 2, 4-11, and possibly more are and whether they all included the map. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:29, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:See [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?1351644 this submission] from April 2010, scroll down to Modified Regular Titles and you see the date change of the map to 1982-03-00. That was not messing with the date, but aligning it with the date of the hardcover edition, (1982-03-00 since [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?1241153 this october 2009 edit]. I pointed to the edit that changed the date to 1982-04-16 in May 2021. I also pointed to the helptext that explains why the pagenumber should be [6] for the first paperback printing. Is there anyone else who thinks this has anything to do with "attitude", or is this simply the same editor complaining whenever someone disagrees with anything he does? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 15:13, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::You also advised me that you skipped an edit I made for the HC of this book because I didn't leave a note on the PV's page even though it wasn't changing anything but just importing the map credit which either PV didn't think needed entering or maybe entering map info wasn't a thing here back in 2007, and whoever entered the map info in the PB forgot/didn't know or care to import it themselves (I see from edit history that the map was likely entered by Bluesman and APPROVED BY Mhhutchins, the same person who didn't enter it in the original HC that they PV, so why after approving it in the PB he didn't just import it himself to his own PV is a mystery that maybe you can ask him/her). Plus the fact that the PV has pretty much given up and doesn't respond to much of anything these days, requesting people send them an e-mail which I'm not going to do because the last thing I want is anyone on this site knowing my e-mail address. After our initial encounter a long time ago where you threw a fit because I told you I changed a few things in one of your PV and a few later unpleasant discussions we had you actually seemed to be responding professionally for a while to several of my messages without giving me much of a problem but I guess your meds ran out or something because you're back to your old self. You were the only active PV of the PB so I was trying to sort out the mess as I've done for thousands of other books but apparently your personal problems, whatever they are, are more important. Who cares, 50,000 edits done so far, losing 1 here or there doesn't bother me. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:10, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Please note that "your meds ran out or something" is a personal attack. They are not allowed as per [[ISFDB:Policy#Blocking_Policy]]. A warning has been left on [[User:Username]]'s Talk page as per the Policy. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:56, 5 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== F&SF Sep/Oct 2022 ==<br />
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I noticed on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?20325 the F&SF series page] that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3103984 the Sep/Oct 2022 issue] isn't part of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2971585 the 2022 record]. I only have a vague understanding/recollection of how magazines work, so I'll let someone more familiar with them work out if this should really be like that, and if not, how it should be fixed. (FWIW that standalone issue is PVed, but by an editor who hasn't been around since the start of the year.) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 08:54, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I merged the two title records together. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:09, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks. (I'm currently in the middle of adding the remaining 100-odd Locus Award finalists, and didn't want to get sidetracked spending a bunch of time looking into that tangentially related issue.) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 10:05, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== A pricing anomaly ==<br />
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If we ever get into codifying multiple prices, here's an oddity to keep in mind - a book with two prices that are date dependent. <br />
"£19.99 until 31 December 1998" / "£24.99 from 1 January 1999". ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?949447 The Silmarillion]) ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 12:09, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== RVT ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=ray+van+tilb&type=Name; Very likely the same person, problem is 2 of the publications are scarce zines and the Dragon issue, which I checked on annarchive.com, says Raymond Van Tilburg. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:17, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:[https://efanzines.com/Argentus/Ag13.pdf This] explains (and lets us correct) the Tilberg [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?584053 here]. It's "Ray van Tilburg" on the cover and several mentions, but the artwork credit list below the TOC says "p.20 Ray van Tilberg". The artwork is credited on p. 20, however, with "Ray VanTilburg". The text associated with that begins "Ray Van Tilburg has a niche...". I am going to change it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 15:55, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::One follow-up on all of this: A little Googling reveals "VanTilburg" is correct, not "Van Tilburg". See the litany of [https://www.pinterest.com/aircool66/ Pinterest], [https://www.facebook.com/RayVanTilburgArt/ Facebook], [https://www.etsy.com/shop/ArtofRayVanTilburg Etsy], and his [https://offworlddesigns.com/ OffWorld Designs Art] site. Per ISFDB standard, spacing is normalized when recording the credit, so I am going to remove the space from the canonical name and note that an extra space is sometimes included in credits. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:36, 7 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Brown's Brightest Day ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=the+brightest+day&type=Fiction+Titles; While adding links to stories that were on the old House of Pain horror site I added a link to Eric S. Brown story "The Brightest Day" but according to ISFDB it was published in a 2002 issue of Black Petals as Eric Brown, which means that is lumped in with the well-known Eric Brown who wrote a lot of SF. So if anyone knows how to get that issue of Black Petals and verify what his name is then either it can be variant or merge. I suspect there are other stories on Eric Brown's page here that belong to Eric S. Brown. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:07, 6 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Shumate Story ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Biomassbob#Time_To_Scare_Gramma; I suppose titles should be merged since they're the same but the lengths are totally different, so what do you suggest? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:27, 7 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Le James Bond ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?260470; French edition, https://archive.org/details/jamesbondchassea0000otfi, if anyone wants to enter it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:07, 7 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Leokum ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5657866; While doing this I saw an Arkady Leokum on Wikipedia with different birth/death dates but at the bottom of his credits is a book with Posnick (it's on Archive.org). Just thought that was weird. Maybe dad and son? Wiki mentions "pulp fiction" (doesn't list any, though) so maybe they're confusing Leonard with his dad, except that Wiki mentions a son but his name is Peter. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:13, 7 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Linton Christmas Story ==<br />
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http://www.philsp.com/homeville/FMI/n04/n04934.htm#A181; 2 separate titles that don't match the title here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2851147. EDIT: I made these 2 edits, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5658281, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5658282, but there's a problem with "The Veiled Portrait" because it was given the wrong name and the date doesn't match either of these, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1359048, so I think somebody with a copy of this book needs to correct info somebody entered here; it seems to be Toff, who judging by the few entries on their page also entered some other Valancourt anthologies, so a look at those may be needed, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:16, 7 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Asimov's Essays: The Hugo Winners ==<br />
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On Asimov's summary page we have the series [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?68833 Introductions for 'The Hugo Winners']. This excludes his other essays - afterwords, postscripts and appendices - and so I propose enabling their inclusion by renaming the existing series to "Asimov's Essays: The Hugo Winners". What do others think? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:48, 7 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: The existing series has only Asimov's essays, and is missing the introduction by [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?135920 Charles Sheffield]. Not including it suggests the title is wrong, but including it keeps it from being Asimov as your proposed title suggests. Also, prefixing it with "Asimov's Essays:" suggests that there are, or should be, other collections of his essays. Given how many he has written and how often they are reused, it may be difficult to categorize them. I think the series adds little value and don't care if it's changed, but I do think that a hierarchy of titles (e.g. "The Hugo Winners", "Essays for 'The Hugo Winners'") should be considered. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:24, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Author DJ Tyrer ==<br />
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I have been working on a number of publications involving DJ Tyrer, as an editor or a contributor. In the actual publications, he is always credited as DJ Tyrer not [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?153003 D. J. Tyrer]. Despite this, the ISFDB only showed separate initials. A quick check of the canonical record's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/author_history.cgi?153003 edit history] shows three merges. I contacted DJ and he confirms his first name is David-John, one name. He only goes by DJ. Separate initials are wrong. I intend to merge the two author records and all the appropriate title records. David-John Tyrer and David John Tyrer (one title each) will remain alternate names unless I can verify an error. I will add a note to the new canonical record so there will be no question in the future. He was also kind enough to review his summary bibliography and only found 4 errors, which I will correct. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:59, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5659503; There are at least a few other thehorrorzine.com Tyrer poetry pages currently online spanning several years where they printed several poems on each page, including "Afraid of the Dark" which has a 2021 date here but it's on a 2018 Horror Zine page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:15, 8 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Sounds good to me. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:26, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Gruft ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?495335; While doing edits for F. Paul Wilson books I saw this; that looks like a Les Edwards cover, doesn't it? If so, someone who can ID it can also variant it to the original. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:00, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Lincoln Hunters Date ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?9373; I just added a link to the Rinehart 1st ed. and I think the dates are wrong because they're from the club ed. which usually comes later; anyone know original date? 3 PV of club ed., 2 long-gone and 1 with a very odd name has zip on their discussion page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:16, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Butterfly Revolution Questions ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?20540; Some more editions of Butler's books recently uploaded on Archive.org, I've been making some edits, I noticed someone (Don Erikson?) wrote a note about where they got cover artist from for the original American PB but didn't actually enter the artist. So if anyone has the book he got it from they may want to enter it. Also, the most recent American PB on ISFDB is a 20th printing but there's a 1984 19th printing uploaded with the same cover, so if anyone knows which edition was the first to use that cover they can fix the art date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:16, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bloch's Second Coming ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1222802; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?97532; Might be the same thing. This, https://socialistjazz.blogspot.com/2017/04/ffb-eighth-stage-of-fandom-by-robert.html, describes it as articles about Jesus; this, https://cthulhuwho1.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/2256_inventory_4.pdf, says it was in an obscure periodical, Osgledaren, foreign I'm guessing. So some obscure things here, Taboo, Eighth Stage of Fandom, and that periodical are not anywhere I can see, so help if you can. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:03, 9 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Joan D. Vinge's Heaven Chronicles and Vernor Vinge's Zones of Thought - same series? ==<br />
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Per [https://www.tor.com/2023/05/10/five-authors-who-wrote-sequels-to-someone-elses-work/ a James Davis Nicoll piece published today on tor.com], ''"Finally, there is the curious matter of Joan D. Vinge’s 1978 [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1423 Outcasts of Heaven Belt], which shares a setting with Vernor Vinge’s [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?11587 Zones of Thought] stories... Vinge explained the genesis of her novel and the connection to the Zones in a 2008 letter to her readers. Until I read that letter, I had no idea there was a connection"'' and there's a link to [https://web.archive.org/web/20160303224912/http:/www.sff.net/people/jdvinge/letter_20081103.htm an archive.org copy of that letter] (which I've only skimmed over).<br />
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There are a fair number of PVs of both the Joan and Vernor Vinge novels, any thoughts on whether those series could/should be merged, one made a subseries of the other, just have linking series notes, etc? I don't have any personal opinion or insight on this, as the only one of them I've read was A Fire Upon the Deep, which I have to confess I DNFed a third of the way through... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 10:53, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The linked article says:<br />
:* ...the "Heaven Belt" stories are linked to the "Zones of Thought" series created and written by my former husband (and still friend), Vernor Vinge.<br />
: I would turn the two series into sub-series of a super-series. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:12, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks - I've created [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?69884 an unimaginatively named superseries] with some brief extracts from that letter, and a link to it. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:13, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== We Are All Legends ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5661090; My note is in addition to notes that other editors wrote for the other 2 editions on ISFDB. I assume ISFDB rules state that this should be a collection as opposed to a novel even though it's called a novel on the copyright page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:40, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Trek: The Lost Years ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5661789; James Van Hise is on title page regardless of what cover and Archive.org note writer says, so what's the procedure? Shouldn't it say James Van Hise (in error) and variant to Edward Gross? Assuming, of course, that Van Hise didn't actually write it. EDIT: Cover artist has an extensive record without their middle initial; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?133578. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:40, 10 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== RWH ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?175902; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?58684; Someone added link to one of Hedge's poems years ago so I just added link to the other poem even though 1990s Nightscapes issues are somehow still online and not hard to find; however, I think this is a pseudonym for Ron Goulart because that essay (not short fiction as ISFDB calls it) from F&SF is clearly a fake bio. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5662212; I found another poem by "Hedge" hiding in that HPL issue. This page, http://www.epberglund.com/RGttCM/nightscapes/NS04/hplindex.htm, lists all the letters and other stuff that The FictionMags Index didn't list in case anyone thinks those need entering. The date is fishy, too, because it was published in October judging by the production dates but it's called "April-October". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:36, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Sargent Review ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?395035; Title is wrong, it's Lost Cities, note makes no sense with the dates vs. book date, non-genre series book with many other Lost Cities volumes, only here because of review, delete? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:04, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Book deleted. Review turned into an essay. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:06, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I just fixed a short story in Sargent's record, turning it into an essay; I think it was this one so mistake was made when entering, I guess. I also added a few more story and poem links and think that I've done pretty much all there is to be done with him for now, at least until someone uploads one of his hard-to-find books, which will probably open a can of worms because I see at least one problem with 2 of his stories probably being the same but one having a subtitle in his collection. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:40, 16 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Hitler Art ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5649674; Someone familiar with the foreign editions, tell us which cover Hoffmann really did. SFE, as so often before, has wrong info, but it was obviously wrong anyway because it's a tinted photo of Adolf H. who didn't come to power until long after Hoffmann died. I tried to explain that in my note but it didn't help. So when someone identifies which cover is his this can be un-rejected. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:53, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I see JLaTondre just updated the book with notes and mentioned the Hoffmann credit that's on the flap; however, this can't possibly be the Hoffmann on ISFDB because he died decades before Hitler came to power and so clearly isn't the artist here, especially since it's just a photo, anyway. So either book has wrong info or there's someone else with the same name who's responsible. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:07, 14 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::(edit conflict) SFE was correct. It is credited on the back flap of the book. The photograph is by Heinrich Hoffmann (1885–1957), Adolf Hitler's official photographer. I have disambiguated this Hoffmann from the other one. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:11, 14 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Investigations of Avram Davidson ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5663113; Fixed this up but there's another record, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?35403, which has an award nomination, so I think the award should probably be moved to the record I just edited and the other record deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:01, 12 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Fixed. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:02, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== John Stewart ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?27454; I just had author image approved and noticed that short story is likely not by the artist because he died several years earlier. There's also an alternate name for the story which was also an alternate name for a few interior pieces by the artist. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:32, 12 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: The publisher's website and the title verso of the publication containing the story agree the authors name is Jeff Stewart, not John Stewart. I'm hoping it's this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?131106 Jeff Stewart]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:52, 12 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== C. Armitage Harper ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5663571; Death date very different, mother's name slightly different, verification needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:14, 12 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== External ID template additional wording needed ==<br />
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In the Template:PublicationFields:ExternalIDs [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:ExternalIDs here], for the Audible-ASIN entry, could something like "If the Audible ASIN is an ISBN-10, convert the ISBN-10 value to ISBN-13 and place the ISBN-13 value in the ISBN field." be added after the sentence that reads "Also note that, unlike regular Amazon ASINs, we record Audible ASINs even when they match the ISBN-10."? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:30, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I think I must have put this in the wrong discussion group so I just copied this to Rules & Standards. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 06:54, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Harry O ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?273603; I randomly came across a non-fiction book by R. Matheson, Mediums Rare, that was never entered here but after doing so it said Harry O. Morris was a disambiguated name because of that 1 wrongly-entered cover credit; do I have permission to merge with this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1282130, since PV with wacky name never responds to any messages sent to them on their page? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:42, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I merged them. That was an obvious error (entering the cover illustrator & interior designer and labeling them with their roles). --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:47, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Crispino Cover ==<br />
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https://fantlab.ru/art9850; Says he's Italian but credits on ISFDB are for German books, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?244341; cover on FantLab is the same as this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?603133. Also, the note on FantLab about the artist (RIGHT-CLICK AND CLICK TRANSLATE TO ENGLISH), if I understand it correctly, says he's wrongly credited as D. Crispino in that book. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:33, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Martin H. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=martin+hof&type=Name; I think the 2 German artists are the same person. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:04, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:There is an English artist, a German artist, and a German essayist. If you question the credit on any of these, they all have active verifiers whom you can ask to double check. Otherwise, you would need a source that shows any of these are the same person in order to create an alternate name. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:56, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== John Craig ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?19264; None of those are by the guy who died before any of them were written/drawn, and likely none have anything to do with each other, although it's slightly possible the guy who wrote the stories wrote the essays, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:08, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Tipped-In ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?815229; Book is 1920, preface is 1930, this page, http://wormwoodiana.blogspot.com/2016/01/the-revels-of-orsera-query.html, says it was tipped into leftover copies of the 1920 edition, link someone provided here to Harvard copy doesn't seem to have the preface, this copy does, https://archive.org/details/b29826123, what do you suggest? Add Archive.org link and mention preface in notes? Clone edition? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:06, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I would make a second pub, 1930, for the one on Archive.org, with that dated pre-TOC preface in the contents as the differentiator (note it also has a "By the same author" list not seen in the other copy, and the "v" number on the first TOC page no longer aligns with the physical page count). The linked Harvard copy has the library's date stamp "Dec 6 1920", which pretty much guarantees it is an edition published before that date and can't possibly have a 1930 preface. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:51, 14 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== DW and the Genesis of the Daleks ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=dicks+daleks+pinnacle; According to edit history I added Archive.org link to Day last year although I have absolutely no recollection of doing so. However, the recently-uploaded Genesis is problematic; it says second printing, May 1982 with a $1.95 price but the only ISFDB edition with that price says 1-1981 and the 1982 edition is $2.50. So someone who knows the complex history of these Who books can add the link if they can decide which edition it belongs to. I assume it should be the 1981 because that has the right ISBN in which case the date would need changing, but then the 1982 would need a new date because it's a third printing. There's no note in 1983 that it's a fourth printing, either (and no price), although there is for the fifth and sixth printings. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:08, 14 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== French Dark Channel ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=garton+alliance; I've been doing a lot of Ray Garton edits and came across this in case anyone wants to enter a French edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:14, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ronald Fraser Art ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5666000; Unusual last name of artist, he's on ISFDB, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?373087, Desert title page photo online says E. while signature can't be found on Flower Phantoms cover but few online mentions use Eric; I also added a link to Fraser's Landscape With Figures and the artist there is also on ISFDB twice, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=lucchesi&type=Name, with 1 cover clearly signed E. and the other Edmund. So I mention these things in case after approval someone decides which names are parents and wants to variant the other ones. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:59, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Saga Press Dates ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?576157; I just did an edit adding Archive.org link to this; I don't often deal with such recent books so I'm not familiar with Saga but is it normal for their print books to have one date, in this case 0816, on the flap and another date, in this case November 2016, on the copyright page? One of the bios at the back says a book from one of the authors "will appear in August 2016". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:45, 15 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== E. Gornall ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=gornall&type=Name; While adding some M. John Harrison edits I was going to add a link to Ice Monkey but it was already there via RTrace last year, but I noticed artist Eddie Gornall is also on ISFDB as Eddi; PV of that book, Jlassen (Jeremy Lassen?) is gone and never responded to any messages, copy on eBay shows everything except back flap where I assume cover credit is, and Archive.org copy of Ice Monkey is coverless. I can't get a handle online about what his real name was so if anyone knows they can variant one to the other, assuming they're really spelled differently. Being older fantasy books I assume some people on here have their own copies they can check. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:15, 16 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zombie Apocalypse ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?36612; I made a bunch of edits to a few of the anthologies; I'll just mention that they don't really say "Mammoth Book of" on US title pages, just on the cover, so there's really no variant titles. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:29, 16 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jagendorf ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5666413; "Demon and the Rabbi" was the only title I couldn't fix, appearing in one of Helen Hoke's anthologies (one of several by him in her books) as M. A., in his collection as Moritz A., and ISFDB saying it first appeared in 1968 somewhere under some unknown name; anthology says it comes from his collection Ghostly Folktales (not on ISFDB) but gives no date. So take a look at that after approval if you wish. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:36, 16 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Hoke Horrors ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5654666; I've made another edit simply adding the Archive.org link, but someone more versed than I in technical stuff can help explain what should be done with this. SBN is for Brits, ISBN is for Americans, why SBN gets no hits I have no idea but that's clearly the number on the copyright page. Why did Helen Hoke have to edit so MANY books and why did the American publishers change so much but not change other stuff and confuse everybody? A good assignment for someone with a lot of patience would be to go through her entire ISFDB list and double-check everything; they re-used British covers for American editions sometimes but other times they were completely different, both editions of each anthology would need to be seen side-by-side to verify if the Bill Prosser illustrations are the same between editions, British spelling of certain words in story titles that may or may not have been used for American titles, multiple printings of certain books of which very few have been entered here, etc. Someone keeps uploading ex-library copies on Archive.org but the titles of some of her books are so similar it's hard to keep track of them or remember if I added links or not. On a side note I discovered that at least a few of her books were part of a pub. series called Terrific Triples but that's only mentioned on their copyright pages; I have a couple of pending edits adding the series but hell if I can remember which ones they were; many more out there, it seems, some for her many non-genre books not on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:46, 17 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Brief server downtime at noon ==<br />
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The server will be down for maintenance between 12pm (noon) and 12:05pm server time (Eastern Daylight Time). [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:10, 17 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The server is back up. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:01, 17 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::If that was related to the many messages by Alvonruff lately, what is the hoped-for outcome of his behind-the-scenes work? Will it improve anything on our, the editors, end? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:12, 17 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: The downtime was unrelated to the project that Al is currently working on. It was simply to free up some disk space.<br />
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::: Al's work will update what's happening behind the scenes and -- eventually -- improve our multilingual support. For example, it will let our searches recognize that the Cyrillic letters "А" and "а" are the same for search purposes.<br />
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::: More generally, we need to update the underlying software that we are using. At this point it's so old that it's no longer supported by the vendor. It can cause a variety of security and compatibility issues. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:41, 17 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Quanta ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?54005; Chris J entered all issues on ISFDB but there are several missing; this page, https://web.archive.org/web/19990224223357/http://www.etext.org/Zines/Quanta/issues.html, seems to have all of them, in case Chris is still around and wants to finish them or someone else is interested. I noticed this because the serial by Vassilakos is missing several parts on ISFDB (it also says 17 parts but archived page ends at 16 so that's odd). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:16, 17 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:He's still around because he just made a ton of edits adding/fixing stuff. Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:25, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::All done.--[[User:Chris J|Chris J]] ([[User talk:Chris J|talk]]) 17:08, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pertwee's Whodunnit? ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/whodunnit0000radn; I came across this randomly, seems to be a murder mystery anthology but some of those titles (especially "A Curse on the Pharaoh's Rod", hee hee) sound like they could be genre. Anyway, a Who is on the cover so that may push it over the line. Older Brits here may have read this in their youth and remember details. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:24, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Merge Titles -- more error checking added ==<br />
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"Merge Titles" has been enhanced to perform additional checks before creating submissions. You can no longer create Merge Title submissions which would result in "circular" variants, i.e. variants whose parent record ID is itself. If you come across any issues, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:37, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Non-Genre Stories ==<br />
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After recently printing contents not available elsewhere (which is most of them) from the 1935 British anthology My Grimmest Nightmare at a local library I've finally started reading them and discovered that several are non-genre so I've been marking those and giving brief synopses. This is a common issue here with collections/anthologies both old and new; I think it would be helpful if editors who come across non-genre stories mark them and write a synopsis so people will know which are genre and which aren't. I also want to mention that this anthology is nuts. I read the rare A. Blackwood story long before the others and it was pretty creepy, as expected, but besides the several ghost stories there are a philosophical discussion of the afterlife with what seems to be an atheistic ending (probably raised a few eyebrows back then), a slice-of-life about a sad old guy in a top hat who gets hit by a bus, an account of 2 hikers lost in the mountains that seems like it strayed in from National Geographic, a shopkeeper who apparently gets punished because he didn't donate enough money to charity, and my favorite, a jungle tale of an explorer who encounters spiders, were-hyenas, and a giant half-spider/half-were-hyena which ends with what I think was meant to be a nasty joke about his bride-to-be's looks (no #MeToo in 1935). Least favorite so far? Probably the one about the guy who likes SOS messages on the radio and decides to visit some old guy looking for his long-lost son; the old guy's Irish maid is drawn so broadly I'm surprised she wasn't chewing on a potato when she answered the door. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:49, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Reginald-3 ==<br />
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I got a sudden urge to know what is entailed when someone makes a Reginald-3 verification, I think it's called. I know RTrace does a ton of them and I see a few others doing it occasionally, but where do you go to check that and what exactly is it? Maybe I'll try some. Are secondary verifications considered something important here or do people just do them because they want to? Does anyone find them useful? Are there any rare ones people have been looking for? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:08, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:When you're viewing a publication page, click on "Reginald-3" in the Secondary Verifications section and it will take you to [[Reference:Reginald3|this page]]. It's a big case-bound book that has tons of author, titles, awards, and such in it. It's a very useful thing to have , but only for works published between 1975-1991. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 00:09, 19 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?4975; Did it for Seth Pfefferle's 2 books since I entered 1 of them early last year. Is this something people have been doing since 2006 when public editing started here or is it recent? Because it seems weird that those books had never been verified before someone like me did them. Are there, like, tens of thousands of books still not verified or have most of them been done already? What's the criteria for not verifying something in that book? Is it known to have lots of mistakes? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:32, 19 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::It's generally considered reliable, but unless you have access to the book (Reginald-3) itself, you shouldn't be verifying anything with it. It's got around 1500 pages (if I'm remembering correctly), and it's always possible it's missed some books that were published in that period. However, for the books it does have, it's considered very accurate. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:26, 19 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::It's easy to verify with it because I'm using the Archive.org copy that I added a link to 6 months ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:46, 19 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Awesome! Have fun adding the verifications. I don't think those even require a moderator to approve them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:52, 19 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::Honestly, as soon as I added those 2 verifications I lost all interest. Half the "fun" of editing here, for me, is waiting for a mod to look at my edits and then decide whether to approve them (50,000 and counting, in the top half-dozen all-time for a non-mod/non-self-approver and the only one who still edits regularly except for "Fixer" which is a robot and doesn't really count), especially when they claim something was wrong when it actually wasn't and then think they can argue with me. If I'm lucky sometimes they even apologize when they find out they made a mistake. Doing Reginald seems entirely pointless if there's no approval needed. I only mention my adding the link so that others here who actually want to verify those ID know that the book is readily available. It seems to me that one of the computer geniuses who are on this site should have figured out a way by now to trawl the book and automatically add ID to all books that don't have them yet, but maybe it's not easy/possible to do. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:23, 19 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Adventures Of The Adventurers' Club ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5669128; https://searchworks.stanford.edu/view/9339400; I think the edition on ISFDB should really be paperback because of the cover and price; Stanford copy linked above is clearly hardcover and notice that it doesn't mention drawing on title page like Archive.org copy does. So what do you think? Change to PB and maybe clone a HC edition with Stanford link? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:44, 19 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Phenix ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5669692; Story seems never to have been reprinted in English but it was in a French gaming magazine for some reason, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?39139, https://www.amazon.com/Phenix-n45-magic-jeux-role/dp/2871535426, in case anyone wants to enter it. I'm guessing there's more translated stories in the other missing issues. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:19, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== French Potter ==<br />
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https://www.google.com/search?q=potter+scalehunter+ebay; I just added an Archive.org link to Scalehunter in a pending edit and I don't see that art so I don't know if it's in a limited edition or what but I noticed it's also here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?727762; French cover art should be a variant, I think. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:46, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== L. Ron Hubbard's Colon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?8224; I've been adding links to copies of this series including several that are only Open Library non-preview and I noticed that editors over the years entered the title randomly with it being almost evenly divided between commas after Future or not. So a standard should really be decided on and titles fixed so they all match, although I think going by ISFDB rules they should all have a colon after Future, right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:28, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Boom! Comics - Firefly/ Serenity ==<br />
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Is there anywhere a list of the stories Boom! Comics have produced for the Firefly/ Serenity series?<br />
The usual artist is Greg Pak. <br />
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The company's website is a mess and they don't seem to announce anything. {{Unsigned2|14:35, May 20, 2023|Femmefan1946}}<br />
:They're likely all listed over on [https://firefly.fandom.com/wiki/Firefly_(comic_series) the Firefly Database]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:27, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Canonical name Amir Zand ==<br />
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There is an canonical author [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?284398 Amir Zand (San)] but only one title is credited to him. 10 titles are credited to his alternate name Amir Zand. Wouldn't it be useful to change the canonical name? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 16:11, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Go ahead and make the switch. Please add his [https://amirzand.art/ website] to the new canonical name. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:24, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Done. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 08:16, 25 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 08:55, 25 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Next time, please do not use "'Make This Title a Variant' (breaking the relationship) and 'Delete This Tile (previous canonical) for titles only published under the previous alternate name. Use advanced search and then merge the two titles, paying attention to the radio buttons. Not only is this one edit instead of two, but will save the information from the previous canonical title record. Delete should always be your last option! [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:08, 25 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Fantasist Anthology ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5670646; This book, even though it has a PV, had a lot of stuff missing/entered wrong, so after approval please take another look to make sure I caught everything or didn't make a few mistakes myself. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:21, 21 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Since Don is no longer present, I will accept the edit and make some other updates based on the Internet Archive scan. But first, I'm going to point out the existing bad page number to Ahasuerus as it seems like the clean-up report should have caught that, but it is not listed. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:28, 21 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Rebecca M. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisheryear.cgi?40797+2012; I added image to Sparks; cover artist is obviously the same person for both books but spelled differently, Amazon previews don't reveal anything helpful, so if anyone knows a way to see how she's credited that can be fixed. Also, while looking for the publisher I saw there's another Earthbound, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?354536, which may or may not be the same, but there's a problem in that the book is called 3rd in a series but the first 2 on ISFDB were published years later by a different author. So that might be a mistake. EDIT: 1 of Mr. Lobe's books available and entered here by me, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5670781. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:57, 21 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Darker Places ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?66822; I'm sure there aren't many Matheson collections that don't have numbered contents here so I thought I'd found something special when I saw FantLab's page, https://fantlab.ru/edition117836, until I saw the note (RIGHT-CLICK to translate) which is kind of unclear. So if anyone has a copy maybe they can say what the numbers should be and enter them (unless someone understands what the FantLab writer was trying to say). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:18, 21 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Earthsea numbering ==<br />
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Gollancz are putting out a new hc of the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?39404 Tales from Earthsea] collection this week, and I noticed that a few places such as [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Tales-Earthsea-Fifth-Book/dp/1399602411 Amazon UK] and [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Tales-Earthsea-Fifth-Book/dp/1399602411 Gollancz] are listing it as "The Fifth Book of Earthsea". However, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?4220 the series page here] has this collection unnumbered, with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?21392 The Other Wind] as #5. In turn, Amazon UK and Waterstones have The Other Wind listed as book 6 of the series.<br />
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Now, I appreciate that the often crappy data that appears on retailer sites doesn't necessarily count for much when determining what gets recorded in ISFDB. However, I do see that the Gateway ebooks of these titles - not currently recorded here, although I'll try to rectify that shortly - do have "The Fifth/Sixth Book of Earthsea" as subtitles on their title pages, which perhaps lends more weight to that numbering scheme? <br />
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I've double checked my Orion UK tps of these, and neither has any such subtitle. I also have the UK ebook of the collected Vess illustrated edition, and whilst I haven't spotted anything that explicitly says either book is numbered 5 or 6, there's an afterword that states (my emphases): "Here at last, for the first time, is Earthsea, in English, '''all together in the right order'''. .... The six books of Earthsea ... and in England one publisher calls it a quartet, and '''another reversed the order of the fifth and sixth books as if it didn't matter.'''" This also makes me think that 5=Tales/6=Other Wind might be the more correct/author-approved numbering.<br />
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(FWIW, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthsea the Wikipedia page] doesn't number them; it does state "the fifth and last novel of the series, The Other Wind", but obviously that's qualified by "novel" rather than "book".) [[Template:TitleFields:SeriesNum]] doesn't indicate anything about collections being treated differently to novels when it comes to series numbering.<br />
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Despite owning duplicate copies of these, I've never actually read any of them, so I don't have a dog in this fight, but wondering if there might be consensus for a change? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 07:58, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I've read the first four novels so far only, so I can't comment on the contents of ''Tales from Earthsea'' and ''The Other Wind''. But I own the {{P|678370|German edition of the collected Vess illustrated edition}}, which contains an introduction by Le Guin, written by her in 2016 and which should be {{T|2437124|this one}} in the English edition. In this introduction, she's mentions the "six Earthsea volumes" and explains, how ''Tales from Earthsea'' and ''The Other Wind'' came into life. She stresses that ''Tales from Earthsea'', "the fifth book" (!) has been treated as marginal, but, according to her, is essential for the series. As a result I'd say you are correct: 5=Tales/6=Other Wind. That's also the order the works are printed in the illustrated edition. Jens [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] ([[User talk:Hitspacebar|talk]]) 15:04, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks - if I don't hear any objections, I'll do the 5/6 renumbering in a couple of days. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 13:14, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== BM ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5671406; https://www.amazon.com/Beastmaster-Myth-Richard-Knaak/dp/1439144176; I can just make out "51600" in archived copy's back cover barcode through the sticker but that Amazon page linked above has a much higher price but the same ISBN and look inside has the same number line, so if anyone knows if there were later printings or something let us know. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:31, 22 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ayan(n)a Mathis ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=na+mathis&type=Name; I added a link to the Times supernatural issue and it is Ayana, but I can't get a clear idea of how Ayanna is credited or which is her real name because she's called both all over the web, plus a Christian website I came across congratulated her on getting married and changing her name from Ayanna Thomas. So does anyone know more about her? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:28, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I have absolutely zero knowledge of this author or their works, but the impression I get from Google results (and the photos next to the various results) is that there are 2 different people, with the single-n one being an author who's the most likely candidate to be the one of interest here, based on [https://www.ayanamathis.com/ author website] and [https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/155206/ayana-mathis/ publisher site]. The double-n one seems to be some sort of influencer/self help guru?<br />
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: The two titles associated with the double-n author name are from the same fairly recent PVed pub by Gzuckier, so I'll post on his page to look at this item. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:05, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I'm looking at the Times archive online, and it looks like I misentered the recent review, and it should be Ayana. I'll change it. Thanks for the alert. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 23:18, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ace Books / Ace Fantasy Books ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?18305; All 3 Ace editions are on Archive.org so I added links but while they all say "Ace Fantasy Books" on title page only 1 edition says that here. There's over a hundred here as by that name so I just thought it was odd; I wonder how many other books here as by "Ace Books" are actually by the longer name and whether it would matter to anyone to fix those; did they officially change their name to the shorter version at some point after 1986? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:43, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pyramids ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?697334; I was fixing a few Zebra Books from 1986 and on that should have had Kensington as part of the publisher; I got most of them except a few romance junk novels that were reprinted like a thousand times so I didn't even bother with those because I'm not even sure if they belong here. However, I was disturbed to discover afterwards that many of the old 70s-early 80s Zebra Books have Kensington as part of the publisher (?) I suspect I know who entered many of them so I will now start fixing those but the first one I looked at wasn't entered by that person but rather by Artisan, who I don't believe is around anymore. Not sure why it was accepted because the author is not above threshold in the slightest and this book is seventies paranormal "non-fiction" nonsense. So it should probably be deleted, but if not at least the regular date should be changed to March because editor mentioned that in their note but didn't actually make it so. EDIT: After further investigation I think, unlike Leisure Books and their later separate history with Dorchester, Zebra Books used Kensington even in their older books. So I think I've finished cleaning up (except for Death Screen, can't find info on that one) but this book still doesn't belong here, I believe. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:45, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Italian Valancourt Edition ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=blackburn+beastly-business&sort=-addeddate; Italian price on back cover and notice on last page about being printed in Italy in 2022; does this require a separate record here or can I just add the link to the current edition? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:50, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Witch Book ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5672915; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5672916; If anyone owns a copy or knows where one can be seen online most of the page numbers need entering and author/title verification is needed for most of the stories; also, I replaced the cover because new cover has the price sticker or whatever it is on the top corner but it's not a great image so if anyone can replace it with a better one with that sticker after my edits are approved that would be great. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:13, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Macbeth ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?582305; Macbeth link leads to B. Coville version published many years after J. Blackburn review. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:53, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I've asked a verifier of a pub containing the review if they would check. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:08, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I've re-pointed the review to the correct title. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:59, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Alex Ebel ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?25577; Short story isn't by the artist who died years before it was published but this person, https://sites.google.com/view/alexsebel. The archived story link seems missing, however, so it's possible story header says "Alex S. Ebel" since that's the name in his site's URL. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:02, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Author separated from artist. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:56, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bruce Campbell Biography ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5662375 this submission] to add what looks like a biography of the actor Bruce Campbell. I see that we have an earlier {{T|103703|biography}} already in the database, but it appears that it was added by virtue of being nominated for Stoker and IHG awards. My sense is that the new book would not be in our scope, but I wanted to put the question out to the community first. Thoughts? --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:57, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Out of scope I think. A biography of an author is arguably eligible (as it will talk about some of the books after all). This one seems to be one additional step removed from that. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:01, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Back in 2020 we [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive18#Eligibility_of_NONFICTION_about_non-written_SF clarified the "Rules of Acquisition"] as follows:<br />
::* ''Included'': Published non-fiction works ''about'' speculative fiction which can be plausibly linked to ''published'' (as defined above) speculative fiction. This rule allows the inclusion of secondary bibliographies, i.e. bibliographies of bibliographies, which are two steps removed from published speculative fiction. It also allows the inclusion of non-fiction works about shared cross-media universes like "Doctor Who" and "Star Wars", but only as long as there is a plausible connection to the universe's ''published'' component. Thus a book about "Star Trek physics" can be included (because it applies to all types of media including novels) while a book about Star Trek movie outtakes and bloopers should be excluded.<br />
:: Since Bruce Campbell is an actor with no published speculative fiction credits, I think his biographies should be out unless they trigger some other condition. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:18, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Groovy. I will cancel my edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:33, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Graveyard Reader ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?45152; I just added a link in an edit to the anthology of the same title and judging by ID it was published April or May, but story is October which is when it next appeared. So I think it should either have month changed to 00 to match the anthology or anthology month should be changed to 04 or 05 if anyone can pinpoint date and then story month changed to that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:53, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Fugue XXIX ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?869505; Same editor entered both TP, I think, but one could probably be deleted because it has same ISBN as HC and was likely a mistake that didn't get erased, although it has cover artist and correct (?) page count unlike TP with unique ISBN. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:28, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Deleted. Locus1 lists the format as "hc", but with the "tp" ISBN. This was the source of the original record. I added notes to the other pubs to clarify the discrepancy. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:48, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Onyeama ==<br />
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https://vaultofevil.proboards.com/thread/8116/dillibe-onyeama; https://openlibrary.org/search/authors?q=dillibe+onyeama; 3 novels pictured on Vault seem genre, other titles on OL possible, no copies of any book by him on Archive.org except one with the N word which likely isn't genre, so an author that somehow was never added here, anyone own any copies? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:09, 25 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== S. B. Divya != Divya Srinivasan ==<br />
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I don't believe [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?205470 the author/editor S. B. Divya aka Divya Breed] is the same person as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?262086 the artist Divya Srinivasan]. Their photos - [https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/childrens/childrens-authors/article/87011-q-a-with-divya-srinivasan.html PW interview] for the artist - don't look like the same person to me, and their respective sites (sbdivya.com and pupae.com) don't make any reference to the works of the other person. I can't see the edit history to know who to chase regarding why they were made as alternate names, maybe a moderator can take a look? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:56, 25 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: You want to talk with [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Dirk_P_Broer Dirk]. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 20:14, 25 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: PS: No moderator notes on this edit or on any of his other edits on both authors around the same time. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 20:18, 25 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks, have left a note on his page pointing here. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 08:33, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I agree, they are not the same person. One was born in India (the science fiction author) and the other was born and raised in the United States (the artist, per the PW article). Based on that, I've separated them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:29, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: According to Wikipedia they ARE the same person: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S._B._Divya#:~:text=S.%20B.%20Divya%20is%20the%20pen,%2C%20through%20April%208%2C%202022. "S. B. Divya is the pen name of Divya Srinivasan Breed"].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] ([[User talk:Dirk P Broer|talk]]) 17:02, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: But Divya Srinivasan and Divya Srinivasan Breed can possibly be different people? Do we have a connection that establishes them as the same one? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:09, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5675343; I made an edit with 3rd printing of Runtime, saw somewhere that obliquely mentioned eff-words.com, current site defaults to sbdivya.com so I added archived site which started nearly 10 years ago, it may offer old/new info removed from current site because there's nothing in archived bio about "My gender doesn’t conform to social standards" so other things may have been added/dropped over the years. There's a picture of her at the back of Runtime, also, with a short bio. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:20, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::: I noticed the different places of birth and appended to the notes in both records.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] ([[User talk:Dirk P Broer|talk]]) 18:36, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Doctor Who 'nonfiction' vs Nonfiction on 'Doctor Who' ==<br />
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Anyone know there are two separate series? [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?16381 The former] has well over a hundred entries (including a few subseries), [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?54805 the latter] just three titles.<br />
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The quotes around 'nonfiction' implied - to me at least - that it might be "in-universe" non-fiction like technical manuals, but it seems to me that it has just been used for anything that isn't conventional narrative fiction.<br />
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Any objections to moving everything from the smaller series into the bigger one, and removing the quotes around 'nonfiction'? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 17:19, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Looking at the history of the titles in the series, the smaller one (Nonfiction on 'Doctor Who') had been created and used by a single editor (Stonecreek) mostly moving the books from pre-existing other series (some of them later deleted, some of them still existing). You may want to ping him and see what he may have been thinking but considering that the edits are from years ago and he never bothered to do more (or to write ANY notes explaining what he was doing and what is to be used for what), that looks like something that should not have happened, especially without discussing with the community first. I think it is safe to move the 3 books back where they belong and delete the extra-series but ping him anyway in case he actually had a plan and a good explanation. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:38, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks for digging. I see from the edit histories of those three titles that there's also been "Doctor Who Reference Books" and "Doctor Who Non Fiction" in the past, so I'll wait for further feedback before making yet more changes. (Will also see if I can wrangle anything out of wiki search w.r.t. any prior discussion.) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:49, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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==Some new Japanese awards==<br />
There are a few new Japanese awards I think out to be included here, so I'll group them under one heading to make it easier than a bunch of different sections. This will also allow us to learn the names of some of the Japanese fanzines out there, and therefore be able to find information on them and add them to the database here.<br />
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===Nippon SF Fandom Award===<br />
This award (日本SFファンドム賞) was given out from 1965-1969, then replaced by the Seiun Award. We have the latter in the database, but not the former. I'll be happy to enter the information for it. There aren't too many to list, as shown [https://www.sf-fan.gr.jp/etc/fandom_award.html here] (same website/group where they host the Seiun Awards). It was given by the same group that gives out the Seiun Award, and there is only one level (no categories), so it's an uncomplicated award to enter.<br />
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: Sounds pretty straightforward. If there are no objections, I will add these on Monday. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:24, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?105 Done]. Please feel free to edit the record and add a category. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:38, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Thanks! I'll work on them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:34, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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===SF Fanzine Awards===<br />
This award (SFファンジン大賞) was given out between 1982 and 2003 to speculative fiction fanzines in Japan. The winners were decided by a committee that changed annually. Japanese site [https://www.sf-fan.onn.jp/184/185/ here]. It had several categories:<br />
*Fanzine Grand Prize (ファンジン大賞)<br />
*Creative (創作部門)<br />
*Critique (評論部門)<br />
*Translation/Presentation (翻訳・紹介部門)<br />
*Art (アート部門)<br />
*Layout (レイアウト部門)<br />
*Editorial Work (エディトリアルワーク部門)<br />
*Research (研究部門)<br />
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: Looks like Layout was merged with Art in '84 and '85 before being dropped entirely? Dunno if that merits a separate category being created for those 2 years... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 08:51, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: A new award type [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?106 has been created]. Please feel free to create award categories. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:41, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Thanks! I'll work on them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:34, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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===Takumi Shibano Award===<br />
This award (柴野拓美賞) was given at the same time as the SF Fanzine Award, but was judged solely by [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?23499 Takumi Shibano]. It was a single award given out each year (though a few times people shared the award in a single year). [https://www.sf-fan.onn.jp/184/185/ Same site] as above. It's considered a separate award from the SF Fanzine Awards rather than a category under that award.<br />
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I'll be happy to add these. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:57, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?107 Done]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:46, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks! I'll work on them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:34, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Banner Art ==<br />
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The last banner art that I uploaded was in 2009. The first banner art was put together in 2007 on a glass CRT with VGA resolution (640x480 pixels), and the last one was done on my first LCD display with DVI resolution (1920x1200 pixels). The banners are 90x900 pixels, which was about 40% wider than the VGA screen, and about 50% of the DVI screen, which seemed like a pretty substantial size at the time. My current display is 5120x2880, so a banner is now about 3/4 inch tall, and pretty difficult to see any detail. So a few things:<br />
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1. I've been upscaling the banners using an AI tool. I'm running them on isfdb2.org at 180x1800, which seems to be a pretty good match for my current browser width. They are pretty good, but not perfect (especially some of the smaller lettering) but my 2009-era computer doesn't turn on any more, so the original photoshop files may be lost.<br />
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2. In 2020 Ahasuerus put a notice on the [[Banner Art Credits]] page to post new images here. I have been working with Generative AI at work, so I thought I would apply some of that to generating a new banner art candidate. It's artwork from a 1950s-era magazine that never existed on our timeline - let's call it "Interplanetary Stories". All the images were created by DALL-E, with prompts to push it towards an early 1950s artwork style. Obviously, it is copyright free. (The version of the banner displayed below is smaller than 90x900, in order to meet the 200kB size limit of the wiki. See the 180x1800 size version here: [https://www.isfdb2.org/IsfdbBanner13.jpg])<br />
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[[File:IsfdbBanner13.jpg]]<br />
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3. If anyone has requests for a banner honoring a specific magazine (from our timeline), post it here or on my talk page. Otherwise, I may pull over a few more alternate timeline magazines. [[User:Alvonruff|Alvonruff]] ([[User talk:Alvonruff|talk]]) 20:32, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The new banner looks pretty good except for the second woman from the right whose face looks off. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 07:44, 28 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: What about the "leaf woman"? Her forearms are totally merged together. I'm sure that's explained in the cover story. How about this new blaster woman?<br />
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[[File:NewBlasterWoman.png]]<br />
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[[User:Alvonruff|Alvonruff]] ([[User talk:Alvonruff|talk]]) 22:18, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: The face is much better! The way she holds the blaster looks a bit odd, but then I have never held a functional blaster, so what do I know? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:49, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Alan Brennert Questions ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?274235; https://archive.org/details/weirdromancetwoo0000menk; PV doesn't respond to much these days, so does anyone know why ISBN is different? Did Samuel French release different editions? Also, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?58584, where someone added a link but according to a note on the Archive.org page Brennert's story "The Second Soul" was removed at his request and seems it was never reprinted in print, so maybe someone knows some shadowy ancient archived SF site or something where they reprinted it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:46, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== German Pfister ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=pfister&type=Name; Last 2 authors are likely the same. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:07, 28 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Charnas Stories ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?273; A couple of questions about her stories. "Oak and Ash" was published in a 1992 issue of Pulphouse Magazine which nobody's going to have, I'm sure, but it was reprinted in a shady sex anthology in 2001, Sextopia. I can't get any info about that, so maybe someone will admit to having it. Also, "Land of Lost Content" is in 1998's Streets of Blood, one of a million Martin H. Greenberg anthologies, as original but online info suggests it's Chapter 2 of her 1980 novel The Vampire Tapestry. No copies of the anthology, either (there's a 15-photo copy on eBay but the seller seemed more interested in showing the covers from every angle instead of taking a clear photo of the acknowledgments page), so if anyone owns a copy maybe it mentions this so a note can be added here about it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:41, 29 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== A Wrinkle in Time Cover Art ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1079586; It's unlikely that the 1976 date is correct because the artist's next credit is 1990. I think there's some confusion with this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?581503, which has similar art. EDIT: This page, https://www.tor.com/2023/05/25/can-you-solve-the-classic-wrinkle-in-time-cover-mystery/, doesn't mention John Berkey who did other 1976 Dell covers, but this page, http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:nmFZMfSDiAMJ:https://70sscifiart.tumblr.com/post/179261051240/john-berkey&hl=en&gl=us&strip=1&vwsrc=0, says he did it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:56, 30 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Self-nomination for self-approver - Philfreund ==<br />
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I would like to nominate myself to be a self-approver. If that's granted, I'll be certain to continue to ask for help if I'm uncertain as to the best approach to take. Granting me this will likely shorten the submission queue significantly since I'm entering a lot of ClonePub submissions on a daily basis, mainly for audiobooks and audio/MP3 CDs. Thanks for your consideration. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 13:56, 30 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Support. Had not seen too many hiccups with Phil's submissions in the last months and he had shown a willingness to seek and listen to advice (and remember it for future submissions). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:53, 30 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Support, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:03, 30 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Support[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 00:11, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Support. No complaints! --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:27, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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=== Outcome ===<br />
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Self-approver flag has been set on the account. Congratulations! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:01, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks everyone! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 12:32, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== K. Sano ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=iko+sano&type=Name; Kazumiko only has 1 credit; may be the same as Kazuhiko. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:49, 30 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It's definitely an unusual name (Kazumiko). However, that credit was a decade prior to anything by Kazuhiko, and as [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/hiller_b_b SFE] and [https://gamebooks.org/Item/2764/Show others] also list the credit as "Kazumiko", I think we should stick with things as they currently are. It's possible it's a typo, but it could also be a rare name. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:05, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bad Poetry ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?11176; https://ibecomethebeast.com/autumn-2023/; The poem by John Grey, "Man/Beast", was published in an old 1998 issue of Jack Fisher's Flesh & Blood as "Man-Beast". The other Grey poems may qualify vaguely as genre so if anyone thinks it's worth entering this magazine for that I'm just mentioning it. Also, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?21876, where I believe the essay is correct but the poems should be with John Grey since John Gray is an alternate name for him. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 07:58, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Portuguese titles capitalisation / rationalisation ==<br />
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For anyone with an interest in Portuguese titling, please take a look at [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Portuguese_titles_capitalisation_.2F_rationalisation this discussion]. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:00, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Sexpunks BC ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29722; I and another editor have been doing a few edits for early 90s Spine-Tingling Press cassettes (at least 2, by Kristine Kathryn Rusch and Matthew Costello, are MIA) and there are some annoying details but this one I think someone can answer. A note, likely written by me some time ago since it's in my particular style, mentions that Mark Molnar did the back cover for a book that almost certainly never would have been published if the author didn't run the company, Sexpunks & Savage Sagas. Is it possible the artist is this man, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?263913? From the back of a book of "erotic" stories by an obscure publisher to doing a cover for an edition of Dune, one of the most famous SF books of all time, from an expensive specialty publisher? Can it be true? Also see this thread, https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Username#Monsters:_Three_Tales, in case anyone has anything helpful to say about those issues. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:52, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ace Earth Abides ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5679463; Any of the many active PV think this should be by Ace Star since it does say that on cover and copyright page? ISFDB has 31 "Ace Star" books and 4 "Ace Star / Ace Books" books. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:02, 31 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Barrington J. Bayley ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5679804; I added a new link; story text is different than old link on Weird Fiction Review. Were Bayley's stories revised for his collection? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:43, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== German Ghost Book ==<br />
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[https://archive.org/search?query=cynthia+asquith&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22&and%5B%5D=language%3A%22German%22]; Link to the German edition of 1950s anthology The Second Ghost Book from 1971, I think, in case anyone wants to enter it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:20, 1 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Grand Canyon Artists ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1347049; I have 2 edits, adding cover image (from SFE) to Brit edition and price to American edition (also fixed author's name because it's the same in both editions and there really was never a variant); however, there are signatures on both covers. Brit, lower right, looks like 2 initials followed by Lupton, while American, lower right, has KW. Artists for other books by the publishers on ISFDB don't match up to either so if anyone can find out more reply here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:38, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Costello's Vacation ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1309571; MLB PV a transient copy of HC which has author's name wrong, Google Books copy says there's no J., TP uploaded in 2021 is raggedy and has no title or copyright page but also has no J. on cover, supposedly CD edition has no J., so as usual there's not really a variant name and they're all by Matthew Costello, no J., in case anyone can see TP title page which would clinch it and then HC and TP can be changed to no J. and variant deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:08, 2 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== German Horseman ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?42064; https://archive.org/search?query=horseman+hubble%27s&sort=-addeddate; I entered Archive.org link, fixed page count, and added cover artist in a pending edit to the American edition of Hubbles' Treasure Hunt and while doing so saw that book linked above which is a 1971 (?) translation of Hubble's Bubble, in case anyone wants to enter that. The publisher, Union Verlag Stuttgart, seems to have no books on ISFDB, but I'm guessing there are probably some that should be; 31 hits on Archive.org including another kid's book, Golden-Eye, that looks promising and a title with Hexen in it which I think means "witch" so that's a possibility, too. Ignore the Hans Holzer psychic photography "non-fiction" book which is in English but likely was published in German first by that publisher. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:50, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== ISFDB recording Gateway as imprint ==<br />
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I suspect Gateway as imprint (or even publisher?) is coming to us from Amazon into Fixer, but Gateway is only a marketing website set up by Gollancz. This is noted on [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Gollancz_Ltd this page] under the sub-heading "SF Gateway website", and with more detail here [https://www.gollancz.co.uk/category/sf-gateway/ Gollancz] and here [https://www.sfgateway.com/ sfgateway]. If it's agreed, could we have a Fixer tweak so that pubs/ebooks coming onto the DB start out as imprint/publisher Gollancz / Orion? See [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?9 this example] of the disparity. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:04, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Ever since Amazon killed off API access to Amazon UK data - circa 2019? - I imagine I've added more Gateway pubs than Fixer has, so changing the Fixer config might not help that much. My recollection of things is:<br />
: * "Proper" Gollancz releases are listed on Amazon, Blackwell's, etc, as being published by Gollancz. (Waterstones are annoying, as they just bundle everything as the parent Orion group - grr)<br />
: * SF Masterworks are listed as being published by Gateway, but actually have Gollancz on the title and copyright pages. e.g. see Roadmarks [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?930344 tp] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?943450 ebook]. I know when I first started actively submitting pubs, I did a few of these as "Gateway", but when I saw that PVers were subsequently changing them to Gollancz, I've got a mental note to change the submission accordingly.<br />
: * I *think* there might be an exception to the former if there was previously a Gateway ebook that has been "promoted" to be a Masterwork, but retains the same ISBN. I think those might just get a new cover image slapped onto the ebook, but the title page still has Gateway branding. I think I might have a Silverberg that falls into this category, will try to dig it out in a bit. '''EDIT''': Some inconsistent findings: My purchased-in-2021 ebook of Silverberg's The Book of Skulls has an SF Masterworks cover, but the title page has Gateway. Other than the cover, I suspect this ebook is identical to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?447130 the 2011 "yellow cover" Gateway pub] recorded here. OTOH, my ebook of Clarke's Imperial Earth still has Gateway branding on the cover, even if I download a fresh copy on a different device. The metadata in the title does claim it's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?943090 an SF Masterworks edition], but there's nothing to support that. Both of these ebooks have Gollancz on the copyright page FWIW.<br />
: * "Proper" Gateway releases have "Gateway" on the title page, even though they may well have Gollancz on the copyright page. An example of this is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?827485 my PVed Warm Worlds and Otherwise ebook]; although it's not explicitly stated in the note, I have just opened the ebook, and the title page has the "Gateway" logo with www.sfgateway.com below. My understanding of the rules is that the title page trumps the copyright page, so these should be recorded as "Gateway / Orion" (or some variant thereof) rather than "Gollancz / Orion" (or some variant thereof).<br />
: The impression I get is that there's no meaningful separation of Gollancz and Gateway in terms of staff, office, etc, but there are a few peripheral things I've noticed that make me inclined towards keeping the entities separate here:<br />
: * The Gollancz site no longer lists SF Masterworks, or at least the majority of them e.g. [https://www.gollancz.co.uk/contributor/roger-zelazny/ the Zelazny page] doesn't have the aforementioned Roadmarks - or any of his other Masterworks pubs - but they are on [https://www.sfgateway.com/contributor/roger-zelazny/ the Gateway site]. This wasn't the case a few years ago; there seemed to be an active decision to separate Masterworks from the Gollancz site. (Even though they have Gollancz on the books themselves..) <br />
: * Similarly, Masterworks pubs used to be listed in the Orion trade catalogues, but nowadays they just get (at best) a brief mention of the line in the Gollancz section, with no details about what pubs might be coming out that period.<br />
: [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 06:33, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Picazo Format ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5672945; All the 25+ Marte XXI series books are TP so I changed the final one to the same, mod says a site he checked disagrees, I doubt they changed format for one book so Linguist, who seems to be in edit history for most of these books, or someone can possibly say what it really is and hopefully my edit can be un-rejected, although the fact that page count is much higher for the last book and cover artist is different than all others points to a slight possibility that maybe they got fancy when they knew the series was coming to an end and jacked up the size. I also note that only a few have prices and 2 are missing cover artists in case anyone can fill in that missing info. I was pretty surprised to see that none are PV, unusual for old SF series on this site. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:08, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Did you look at the cited sources? All three agree the size is 18cm x 11cm. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:07, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::As you say, but since none are PV I wonder if they really changed format for the last in the series or whether some or all of the earlier ones should be TP, too. In this case I wonder if those sources confused this particular edition with its earlier '62 Fleuve Noir PB; there's a note in the previous book's record about confusion between Picazo and Fleuve Noir. Also, another Picazo series here has 4 Asimov books with 1 having an unknown format, so maybe someone knows that, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:37, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Todd Ritter = Alan Finn = Riley Sager ==<br />
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Currently author [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?191380 Todd Ritter] has the alternate name [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?209069 Alan Finn], with one shortfiction for the former and a novel for the latter.<br />
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[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riley_Sager Wikipedia] informs me that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?313188 Riley Sager] is another pseudonym. That author currently has 2 novels in the database - both of which have title notes explaining that their eligibility here isn't 100% certain - and the aforelinked Wikipedia page indicates the Sager alias is the most profilic and current one.<br />
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Any preferences to which one should be the primary? I'm slightly inclined towards Sager, but happy to go with any consensus. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 17:41, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: How many of the Sager novels are genre? It won't matter that he uses that for most of his thrillers if they are not genre. I am leaning towards Ritter quite honestly (when the numbers are about the same, I'd go with the legal name or the currently used name) - unless we have enough Sager novels to balance it that way a lot more. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:47, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: No idea - he wasn't on my radar at all, until I skimmed through the forthcoming list and saw there was one out today. I've glanced through the blurbs on his site, and of the 7 novels, if we take away the two already in the database, only one looks like it might possibly be relevant here, and TBH it feels like it's more gothic than supernatural. I looked at a couple of them on GR, and saw no mention of speculative elements, so I think it's just the two we already have.<br />
:: I don't mind keeping Ritter as the primary, as I guess that'll be slightly less work (no need to redo the Finn author alternate)? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:12, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: The gothic ones always get me - it is very hard to sort out which one belongs if you do not read it. We can always reverse the direction if need be. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:21, 6 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: I have 2 pending edits adding Archive.org links to the print editions of his novel and also fixed their page counts; also have an edit for the author adding Wikipedia link and his Amazon photo. There is almost no mention of his short story online; I hope someone can find that somewhere someday and add a link. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:41, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::: I've just done the author and title varianting; there's a rilersagerbooks.com link that I guess should be moved from the RS author record to TR, but I'll wait for those other edits to be accepted, just to avoid any risk of async approvals losing anything. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 16:16, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Broken Fantascienza Author Image ==<br />
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https://www.fantascienza.com/catalogo/autori/NILF17713/james-lovegrove/; I made a couple of edits for James Lovegrove books and then decided to replace his B&W image with 1 of 2 nice color images on FantLab; I like to add unique images and since Open Library has none and Fantastic Fiction uses the same image as Amazon that leaves Fantascienza, but unusually the image is broken. Anyone know how to find out what it is/was so I don't use the same image from FantLab, assuming there is a match with one of them? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:57, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Neely ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1096598; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5685960; As can be seen in my edit I changed the publisher name; I think the 1906 edition may be a date error (there's no edit history) and can probably be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:37, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Clarkesworld ==<br />
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We had a conversation about this one a few times and it never went anywhere so let's try again. We have two separate series for the magazine:<br />
* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?35233 Clarkesworld (print issues)] - the print versions<br />
* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?26273 Clarkesworld Magazine] - the ebooks and the webzines<br />
In addition, the 2022 issues are entered with different editors in both: just Clarke in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3087880 ebooks] and Kate Baker, Neil Clarke, Sean Wallace on the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3014672 print issues]. The magazines are essentially the same and even if they had some extra content, that had not stopped us using a single series elsewhere. I propose to merge the two series and to clear up the editors. Based on the masthead, I favor the 3 editors vs just Clarke but it can be interpreted either way. Any objections to the merge and any thoughts on the list of editors? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:52, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Agree 100% with merging the two series. My choice is to credit the Editor-in-Chief, but I have no objection to crediting all three. Some of the publication records could also use some cleanup. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:03, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::I've no concerns with combining the series. I too feel that we should go with a single editor. I had previously thought our policy was to go with the Editor-in-Chief when multiple types of editors are listed, but the last time I researched that I couldn't find it documented. I'd go with the Editor-in-Chief. I will note that neither Miller/Contento nor Locus1 list an edition. FictionMags doesn't for the early issues, and lists Sean Wallace for the most recent ones. He is also listed on Galactic Central. For the single issue for which I have a hard copy, Kate Baker is credited as Non-Fiction Editor/Podcast Director which seems a little attenuated to me. I'd like to avoid getting into a situation like the semiprozine Hugo nominations for [https://file770.com/2022-hugo-award-finalists/ Strange Horizons]. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:02, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Yellow Peril ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?287140; I added Archive.org link to PB and saw LCCN says 383 for HC which is much higher than what's on ISFDB; does anyone own a copy who can correct page count if necessary? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:25, 7 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Times Mirror ==<br />
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After coming across countless NEL books that say "Times Mirror" on title page I realized it wasn't a co-publisher or imprint but just distributor or parent company or something similar and shouldn't actually be entered here as part of the publisher name; I removed the ones I had changed to New English Library / Times Mirror a while back (thank goodness there were only 4) but this one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5447529, was not done by me. I suspect I must have seen this and followed along blindly. The note is not by me, I just added Archive.org link, but notes in a couple of the other records are written similarly so I probably just cut-and-pasted this original note. So if anyone (I think 1 PV, Spacecow, is still sort of active) wants to make publisher of this one just New English Library that's up to them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:02, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Rest In Agony ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?828278; I replaced Younger's Pharaoh book cover and uploaded new cover for this book from Bookscans; ID doesn't match what's on the cover. I don't know who's responsible for that, MLB who uploaded the old cover, RTrace who secondary verified stuff, Rosa, anybody else that worked on this, so someone may want to decide what to do about that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:16, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Magic Ring ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1135737; The Valancourt TP was just upped on Archive.org, I made an edit, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5687545, but there's problems. Someone named ElectricStarboard was the last one to edit the HC and seems to have altered the title. Judging by their page and the fact that almost every message is about how they fixed or merged or did other stuff incorrectly I'm guessing that the HC should also have the subtitle; if it does, and assuming the Sturgis intro is just the TP intro ported over verbatim, then TP intro I entered and HC intro can be merged. I'm pretty sure, being a deluxe edition, the HC would also have the short story "Field of Terror" that as of now is only in the TP. Whenever there's a "data from Amazon" note that usually means page count is wrong and I fixed it for the TP but even though HC also says the same in the note judging from online info that page count may be correct, although almost certainly Roman numerals would need to be added to it for all the essays and other stuff at the beginning. Does anyone own the HC? That would be very helpful. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:45, 8 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ah, Sweet Mystery of Life ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5687723; ISFDB has a 1989 edition which is barebones, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?37485, and the Knopf edition I edited says original was by Michael Joseph in 1989 so I assume that's what it should be here. Surprisingly, only 2 editions are on Archive.org, Knopf and a 14th (?) printing of 1990 Penguin with a cover from some completely different book by another author for some reason. I assume the preface I entered comes from the 1989 edition so if anyone has it and enters it the preface can be re-dated and merged. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:16, 9 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Archives of Haven ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20178; Notes in other 2 books in the series about getting Corgi Joe Petagno cover credits from R. Holdstock's Encyclopedia of Science Fiction, no credit for this book, there's a copy of the encyclopedia on Archive.org with no mention, it seems, of this book but a few online sites identify it as by Petagno. All 4 PV are gone so does anyone know if it's him or not? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:42, 9 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wrong Titles On Archive.org ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5688508; A cautionary tale here. Elizabeth Engstrom's 1992 20-story collection Nightmare Flower was upped last month so I added a link and fixed/added various things. On a whim I decided to enter her name in the search page but in text contents instead of metadata. Not really expecting to find anything I hadn't already entered I was stunned to see her first book, When Darkness Loves Us, a 1985 two-story collection. Since Valancourt put out their reprint edition a few years ago I've tried many times to find somewhere online that showed any of the several earlier editions and could never find any site that showed a contents page so I could enter the numbers, which was very annoying. It turns out the reason why it couldn't be found on Archive.org specifically is because whoever upped it way back in 2011 got it mixed up with a completely different title from another author and publisher. They're not even close. This is far from the first time a book had the wrong title on that site but for some reason I had never thought to search contents for this one. So to anyone looking for anything on that site I suggest searching for titles/ISBN/whatever in contents because you may find a lot of stuff you didn't think was there if you just searched for them the regular way. I'm very happy about this but a few things remain that need doing; the Tor edition has the same page count as the HC and I assume page numbers are the same, so if anyone owns a copy they can verify that and enter them. The Apex edition has a completely different page count which may or may not be right; maybe someone has a copy of that, too. Finally, the first story says it's a novelette but page count is almost 70, way over the 50-page limit for that length, yet in the Hartwell anthology that it was reprinted in the count varies from 30 pages in the HC to around 60 in the PB while in the Valancourt PB (which I edited last year using a library copy) it's 65. So I have a feeling it should be a novella, too, like the second story in the collection. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:43, 9 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Your submission is approved. My rough count was approx. 19,000 words. I would approve the change. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:05, 9 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Done. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:08, 9 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I added WorldCat ID to the Apex edition and noticed note says "data from Amazon" which is a signal that info, especially page count, is probably wrong; WorldCat says 201 pages, not 218, so I made an edit changing it since that's probably correct or closer to it, anyway. I also noticed it says "updated foreword" on their page but I don't know what that means because Theodore Sturgeon was dead for nearly 25 years when this edition came out (I see he died in May of 1985 so the foreword was likely one of the last things he wrote before he died; sad). Supposedly this edition is in 2 public libraries down south in North Carolina and Kentucky which makes sense because Apex is based in Kentucky, but there's also a copy in a university in Taiwan (?!?). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:10, 13 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Change series name: Chubby Lewis Barnavelt ==<br />
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I'm not sure how the series name [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?1404 Chubby Lewis Barnavelt] was created but I think it's offensive as-is. I suggest it should be changed to simply "Lewis Barnavelt". Are there any objections? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:01, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I updated it. Regardless of the offensive part, searching for "Chubby Lewis Barnavelt" produces only 11 hits[https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Chubby+Lewis+Barnavelt%22]. Strickland's books have "John Bellairs's Lewis Barnavelt in TITLE" on cover and title page. It seems more reasonable people would be looking to find this as "Lewis Barnavelt" than "Chubby Lewis Barnavelt". --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:49, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: The series was called "Chubby Lewis" in the 1997 [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/fe/bellairs_john Encyclopedia of Fantasy]. I can't find the word "Chubby" in the e-text that I have. I'll need to check my paper library to see if I have an early edition. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:30, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::https://bellairsia.blogspot.com/2005/09/who-is-chubby-lewis.html. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:48, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Checking the 1993 reprint of the first book, I see that other children call the protagonist "Fatty" on a couple of occasions, but there are no references to "Chubby" that I can find. I found a reference to "her chubby friend Lewis" in ''The Ghost in the Mirror'' (volume 4, 1993, completed by Brad Strickland), but that's it.<br />
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:::: I guess we can add a note explaining that the protagonist is called "Chubby Lewis" in the ''Encyclopedia of Fantasy'', the ''Greenwood Encyclopedia of Science Fiction and Fantasy'' and in Don D'Ammassa's ''Encyclopedia of Fantasy and Horror Fiction'', but we can find no occurrences of this nickname in the editions that we have access to. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:35, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::: Back cover of this book says "Chubby Lewis": https://archive.org/search?query=%22barnavelt%22+%22chubby+lewis%22&sin=TXT. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:43, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Thanks. I have updated the Notes field with the information that we currently have. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:08, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Williamson Effect Intro ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5689255; One of those OL-only copies with no preview; while correcting page count I noticed intros in HC and TP are entered differently. There's also a similarly titled essay in a 2008 David Brin collection, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=love+with+change&type=All+Titles, but it has a 2006 date with no note about where it came from. So the '96 intros can be merged if someone decides which one is more properly titled; whether the later essay is the same one is hard to say because there's no copy of that collection. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:36, 10 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jelly Ink ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=jelly+ink&type=Publisher; I just made an edit adding a link to the 4th printing of Stranger Things Happen by Kelly Link; publisher is Jelly Ink / Small Beer Press even though Jelly Ink is only mentioned on copyright page, but a chapbook by Link, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?28159, is as by Jelly Ink Press with a note about being an imprint. Both of those things can't be right so which publisher name should be the parent? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:50, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Later printings of "Stranger Things Happen" (with unknown dates of publication) are verified, so we shouldn't change them. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:14, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::PV Andrewk and Teddybear are no longer active. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:34, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Math Book ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?249351; I see in history that I added cover and price nearly 2 years ago but this book really doesn't belong here, being non-genre and with no review, so should probably be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:51, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Agreed. I've removed it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:48, 12 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Golden Enemy ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?20192; A discussion of a book by Alexander Key on the boards here prompted me to add a few minor things to 2 of his books I'd edited long ago but I also noticed The Golden Enemy, which I never edited, has a copy on Archive.org, https://archive.org/search?query=golden-enemy, which is 166 pages, not 176 like ISFDB and many other sites say, while there's an Open Road reprint that says 156 pages. This copy, https://picclick.com/The-Golden-Enemy-by-Alexander-Key-194249590087.html, looks like it has the same copyright page so I don't think the archived copy is book club or anything, and there are no Westminster book club editions on ISFDB. So if anyone can solve this mystery, respond here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:18, 11 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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I have collected Alexander Key books for years, and I find that with Westminster Press it can be very hard to determine what printing you have. They did not bother marking First Editions or reprints until sometime in the later 1970's, from what I have seen. I recently posted a copy of "The Forgotten Door" that I belive is a First Edition, mainly because of the ads on the dust jacket. I think some titles had very few printings, if not just one. While a few titles were quite popular and were probably reprinted numerous times. I know "The Forgotten Door" was reprinted, because I own a few differnt editions, including later printings with number strings on the copyright page for a 13th printing, and a 14th printing. I believe "The Golden Enemy" was also popular and reprinted several times. This could be part of the page numbering issue, but it could also just be a cataloging mistake. The Library of Congress records a copy with 176 pages. I have seen cases where the mistake of one library is copied by cataloging departments in several libraries. Basically if someone in The Library of Congress made a mistake, it may have been replicated may times. I have an early copy of this title, but it is packed away right now, so I can't check it. I have seen books where the page numbering was changed to include an "About the Author" page, or an afterword, but 10 pages does seem to be a bit much. [[User:Bernarrd|Bernarrd]] ([[User talk:Bernarrd|talk]]) 16:49, 18 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Heads up on making edits to several hundred pubs, some of which may have verifications ==<br />
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Per [[User_talk:Ahasuerus#Weird_broken_Amazon_image_URLs]] , there are ~600 author and pub record that have Amazon image URLs that are now broken. Most of these URLs can be fixed programmatically, and I've got a simple script to submit the edits via the API.<br />
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Some of these pubs may well have verifications, apologies for any notification spam you might get for them, but I don't think there's any need to create talk page items for everyone whose edits may be affected.<br />
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Although the process is simple, the clicking through approvals for several hundred edits (especially on the selfmoderator pages?) will be tedious, so I'll probably be doing this over the next few days. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 07:52, 12 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Kevin Clarke: two different people? ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?3708 Kevin Clarke] has a late '80s Doctor Who novelization, and 3 bits of fanart from the early 80s, on his page. I strongly suspect these are 2 different people:<br />
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* [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/clarke_kevin The SFE page] only mentions his Doctor Who work<br />
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Clarke_(writer) Wikipedia] only mentions involvement in music, TV and academia, although I suspect a few bits of fanart wouldn't get much of a mention.<br />
* [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Kevin_Clarke TARDIS wiki] (not currently linked from here) doesn't have much, but only mentions TV work<br />
* Googling for '"kevin clarke" bsfa' indicates he may have been active in UK fandom earlier and later than the work on record here e.g. [https://news.ansible.uk/a04.html November 1979 Ansible], [https://efanzines.com/Prolapse/Prolapse04.pdf a 2006 fanzine] (PDF, pages 20 and 26); possibly [https://fanac.org/conpubs/Novacon/Novacon%2040/N40_PR1_colour.pdf a 2010 Novacon progress report].<br />
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At the very least I feel this merits an author note, but would there be any objection to separating these out into two different author records? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 10:03, 13 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Adding a note is a sure thing for sure (Sure? Sure!). I do have some reservations about dividing the entries / authors: things like those do happen (a fan being active in two areas): there are some who do both, and others who begin in one field (say drawing) and do find their fulfilment in another one (say writing, or vice versa). That the candidate(s) both was/were active in the 1980s and seem(s) to stem from the British Isles, leaves the distinct possibility that it is the same person, I'd think. <br />
: And none of the given sources would mention fan artwork, I'd think (because they aren't aware of it). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 14:43, 13 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Stories from the Twilight Zone ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33354; I have an edit adding LCCN ID to this TP edition but noticed there was a 1989 PB on Archive.org which somehow was never entered here so I made an edit for that, too, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5691762, but there's a cover art question; 1986 says Roger Bergendorf did the "cover photo" but 1989 says Stan Watts did the "cover art" which has a 1986 copyright date. It looks like art to me so if anyone is familiar with Watts' style maybe they can identify him as the artist and his name can be entered, possibly with a note in TP record about wrong cover credit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 01:52, 14 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:You'll have to discuss with the primary verifier, who's active as editor. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 05:08, 14 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::TP PV is transient so they wouldn't have their copy anymore and they probably have no idea about the art question because they didn't even enter Bergendorf as cover artist (maybe they thought photos don't count as art, even though by looking at it closely it appears to be artwork and not a photo). There's no PV to ask about the PB because that edition wasn't on ISFDB until I added it (approval pending). Maybe someone is familiar with Watts' art and can identify it as his or there's a clear copy with a signature somewhere on the cover. It wouldn't make sense to have 2 separate art credits here for what's obviously the same art so one artist should be decided on and entered. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:07, 14 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Eclipse Pages/Dates ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5692038; Most of Beford's books are either on Archive.org or in 2 cases OL-only no-preview editions; the last one I edited has a couple of issues. Note says it should be 309 pages per ISFDB but it should really be 311, right? also, these Edge books sometimes have that Canada/USA date thing on copyright page; how to tell what's a USA edition if they just put both dates? Couldn't this book just as easily have a 2006 date? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:20, 14 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Daw Duplicate ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?669885; Should the non-PV record be deleted? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:09, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: It has a different ISBN and based on the ISBN and the fact that it is a later one, I'd say it is a reprint and probably a 2000 one (See the rest of the ISBNs starting with the same numbers [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_publisher&O_1=exact&TERM_1=DAW+Books&C=AND&USE_2=pub_isbn&O_2=starts_with&TERM_2=08867788&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication here]). Looking up that second ISBN online (0886778832), I see some records so seems like a valid one indeed. I will do some more digging and eventually re-date to 0000-00-00 for now if I cannot confirm the 2000 and if it still looks like a reprint. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 22:07, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== French Replay ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?528161; https://archive.org/search?query=grimwood+seuil; As I was adding edits to some editions of K. Grimwood's Replay I found that French one. Edit history shows only Hauck who according to his page here wants nothing to do with this site and says it's no use to "left" messages, so any other French-fluent editors who want to enter that (price is different on the back so I assume it's some other printing) can do so if they wish. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:25, 16 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== New cleanup report: pre-1967 pubs with an ISBN ==<br />
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A new cleanup report has been deployed. It looks for pre-1967 publications with an ISBN. The data will become available tomorrow morning. I expect the report to find 49 suspect records. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:15, 16 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:27, 16 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Desert of Death's Domain ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5694536; I think all 3 PV are gone so someone who's into these Rhodan books may want to look at this one because I see some possible problems with series being part of title and title in contents being shortened and also having one with a # and one without. Maybe this is correct and the way others in the series were entered but I doubt it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:03, 16 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Yellow warnings for ISBNs enhanced ==<br />
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In NewPub/AddPub/EditPub/ClonePub submissions, post-submissions yellow warnings for ISBNs have been enhanced as follows:<br />
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* Multiple yellow warnings are now fully supported. In the past, only some combinations of yellow warnings were displayed.<br />
* The threshold year for pubs with ISBNs has been changed from 1970 to 1967. The language of the warning has been clarified to indicate that ISBNs are not allowed for pre-1967 publications.<br />
* If you edit a publication with an ISBN value and change the publication date value to a year prior to 1967, the same yellow warning is displayed in the publication date row.<br />
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[[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:56, 17 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== R. Dunkley Story Title ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1374862; Open Library lists contents and they say "Zane", not "Zazine"; little photo evidence of this book online, so maybe someone here has a copy and can verify what it is and fix if needed. On the plus side, while looking into this I found that Dunkley has a website and Nick Bantock did the cover art for The Twilight Book, so I made edits adding both. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:33, 18 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Black Is A Man ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?815472; A copy of this rare novel was upped last November so I added a link along with LCCN. There's an awesome sticker on the cover from J.M. Fields with a 57-cent price; that store went out of business in 1978 according to Wikipedia so this copy's at least 45 years old. I didn't see any artist credit inside the book but it may be hiding somewhere in that creepy artwork in case anyone can find it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:26, 18 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I couldn't see any signature on the front or back cover, or on the flaps. I added a note to that effect. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:52, 20 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== King's The Plant ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?92669; http://jerryshouseofeverything.blogspot.com/2017/08/forgotten-book-plant.html; I'd like to know the best way to enter that PDF mentioned at the bottom which is a dead link but is still online at club-stephenking.fr. Is it a novel? A chapbook? It was published electronically in 2000 (note the Stoker nomination here) but it has page numbers. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:06, 20 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Looks like each part should be a SERIAL, with its publication a CHAPBOOK. Although it's unfinished, in composite they would be a novel, so you'd variant all six to a parent NOVEL record and note that it is unfinished. [https://stephenking.com/works/other-project/plant-zenith-rising.html stephenking.com] has info and PDFs for groups of three. I see the site you linked has a PDF for all 6. I would use the page numbers to compute "pages" for the installments and note the actual number range in each one. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:50, 20 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Biomass Bob (Robert E. Lumpkin passing 6/20/2023) ==<br />
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Hello ISFDB Community,<br />
My father asked me to share his passing with you all. He died yesterday 6/20/2023 of pneumonia. My brother and I were with him and he died peacefully. The illness came on very suddenly, but once it took hold, it proved impossible to beat. He valued this site and all the contributors so much.<br />
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My brother and I will be selling his spectacular collection of science fiction/fantasy books/media in the next couple of months. We don't share his love of the material and we want it to go to a good home. If anyone can direct us to an appropriate dealer or place to talk about selling his collection, it would be greatly appreciated. We will check back here periodically.<br />
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I apologize if I have placed this notice in the wrong place. Best, Nancy Sowers<br />
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: Hello Nancy, <br />
: No, that's the perfect place for it. I am so sorry for your loss. Bob was a part of the site and of our community and we will sorely miss him. I hope you find some solace in the fact that he won't be forgotten. Try to find some time for yourself in these hard times and we will all miss Bob :( [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:36, 21 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: I am very sorry to hear about Bob's passing :-( He was always very dedicated and a pleasure to work with.<br />
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:: I am afraid I can't help with finding a dealer, but some of our contributors may be in a better position to point you in the right direction. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:12, 21 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:I'm so sorry to hear that. Our condolences to you and your family. Bob will be missed. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:16, 21 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Bob was always a pleasure to work with. Sorry to hear he's gone, I'll miss him. As for the collection, you might try Centipede press (mail to jerad@centipedepress.com). Sometimes they sell special collections for family of former customers. I think Bob was one of their better customers, recently he helped them with a [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Biomassbob#Strange_Plasma_issue_8 rare Lafferty story] and his collection is certainly special. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 08:28, 22 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::My condolences as well. Your father was one of my favorite ISFDB collaborators to work with. I will miss him greatly. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:55, 22 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::He will definitely be missed here. He contributed quite a bit over the years. My condolences to you and to your family. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:35, 22 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::I am so sorry for your loss, Nancy. Bob was great to work with, I valued his input on many projects and he will be missed here. May his memory be a blessing. Rest in Peace, Bob. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 03:43, 23 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::I'm so sorry to hear about Bob. I had lunch with your Bob and your brother at the Windy City Pulp collector's convention in 2019. It was one of most enjoyable encounters I have had in the last several years and I'd hoped to meet with him again.<br />
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:::If you can wait until ~April 2024 to sell his collection, the upcoming Windy City Pulp convention will give you the opportunity to contact 50-100 dealers, and you might be able to arrange for an estate auction.[[User:Rkihara|Rkihara]] ([[User talk:Rkihara|talk]]) 12:27, 30 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?178737; Maybe someone here who knows his personal info would like to update his record. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:52, 30 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::I've updated it with his date of death and linked it to his user page here. If anyone can find an obituary for him, we can update it more. I've had no luck finding one. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:17, 30 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::I've been in and out of the hospital myself recently, so I missed Bob's death, but I've always found him a helpful editor and moderator, ever since I started here eleven years ago. He will be missed. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 00:33, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Golem Questions ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5698892; This is the original edition, I think. Then there is this, https://archive.org/search?query=meyrink+golem+wolff&sort=-addeddate, where the 2 Golem editions are by Kurt Wolff but are different on title/copyright pages. Any of the many German editors here may want to approve my edit and then add details to it which escaped me, being non-fluent in the language, and also enter those other 2 which are likely later editions. On a semi-related note I asked 2 PV recently about Bester's Golem 100 but one of them is now deceased so if anyone knows the answer, possibly the other PV, thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:21, 22 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5698892; Someone finally got around to my Golem edit but rejected it because of the date, although I think it's because it was published in December and, as so often, books published at the end of the year have a copyright for the following year. But whatever. If anyone ever does anything with this they can decide if the archived copy is a first printing, a later edition, whatever. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:57, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Madrone Tree ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=the-madrone-tree; There was a recent message here about an A.C. Clarke cover being originally from Dark Dominion by David Duncan; I see his "reviewed in The Arkham Sampler", almost genre, novel The Madrone Tree was recently upped but there's no cover and copyright page is pretty bare so I suspect it's some kind of book club edition, in case anyone can figure out from a gutter code or something what exactly it is and wants to enter it here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:59, 23 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Derek Hegsted ==<br />
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I was adding a few edits to editions of L. Ron Hubbard's Fear when I noticed the note for the 1991 HC said they're not sure where the internal art credit came from, so I found a 1994 article on www.deseret.com which mentioned Hegsted and said he did art for 3 books including Serpent Catch and Murisaki. The first is by Dave Wolverton and credits Derek Hegstead so I did all the needed variants and such but the second is unknown; searching for that title on WorldCat found 1 musical score for the harp and nothing else, so if anyone knows what it is (novel?) that would be great. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:01, 23 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:They might mean [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?928491 this anthology], though the art is apparently by Stephen Youll. I actually have this anthology, so I will check it when I get home from work. I also have Serpent Catch, so I can check that one, too (for the spelling of his name). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:49, 30 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I have 2 pending edits for Serpent Catch. After those are approved I don't think you'll need to do anything else with that book. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:08, 30 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Complete Cthulhu ==<br />
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For Lovecraft fans, https://archive.org/search?query=complete-cthulhu&sort=-addeddate; not sure which edition it is, leather bound or collectible ("collectible" didn't show up in a text search and "leather" only shows up in some of the stories) and it's a 3rd printing, I think, but ISFDB has a 9th (!) printing. So I mention it in case anyone wants to enter. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:41, 24 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Baen Books vs. Baen Fantasy ==<br />
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See this discussion, https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Dirk_P_Broer#Warriorwards, in case any of the many PV agree and want to make Baen Fantasy a publisher series and make Baen Books the publisher. This is similar, I think, to how most people entered the countless Tor publications as just that but a handful decided to enter Tor Horror, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?73896, as if that's a separate publisher or something. EDIT: There's also a related issue where a handful entered Avon Horror as a series, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?9753, when it isn't. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:47, 24 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== 2 Vikings ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?67171; First book is by cheap UK 50's PB publisher while others are UK editions of major American publisher Viking so something should be added to PB publisher to differ. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:25, 24 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== WSFA Small Press Award ==<br />
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Is the [https://wsfasmallpressaward.org/ WSFA Small Press Award] in the database? I was checking a few authors who were already nominated for it but couldn't find it in neither their pages or in the Awards Directory. [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 18:55, 16 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It doesn't look like it's been added yet, looking at the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_directory.cgi list of awards]. I think it's likely eligible. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:26, 19 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Thanks! Where is the best place to propose a new addition to the Awards directory? [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 00:58, 24 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Ahaseurus usually adds the award itself, and then any moderator can add categories to it (if needed) and any editor can add awards to various titles and moderators will then approve them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:23, 26 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Sorry I missed the question when it was posted on the Help Desk. I agree that the award looks eligible. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:19, 26 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: If there are no objections, I will create this award type tomorrow. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 23:41, 29 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: The Award Type [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?108 has been created]. Thanks for bringing it to everyone's attention. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:18, 30 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Manfred W. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=manfred+wil&type=Name; Usual PV for these languages, Stonecreek, JLochhas, Rudam, Willem, so if any of them know whether these 2 guys are the same or whether one or the other is misspelled and needs to be made a variant or if they're not the same guy at all, have a look. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:54, 26 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== James Barry ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?141183; I made some edits for Mutants recently and noticed clicking on James Barry leads to another person's record; some variant is needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:16, 27 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I disambiguated the two James Barry's. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 01:50, 29 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Two review books ==<br />
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I have two anthologies that are nothing, or almost nothing, but reviews on slick paper. One is [https://www.amazon.com/Paperback-Fantastic-Horror-Justin-Marriott/dp/B0B92HCLRL/ref=sr_1_2?crid=1ZY6MCRPL0TRU&keywords=Paperback+Fantastic+Horror&qid=1687909120&s=books&sprefix=paperback+fantastic+horror%2Cstripbooks%2C104&sr=1-2 Paperback Fantasic #3] and [https://www.amazon.com/Collected-Pulp-Horror-One/dp/1793987548/ref=sr_1_1?crid=19Z86H7GZ1TFN&keywords=the+Collected+Pulp+Horror&qid=1687909847&s=books&sprefix=the+collected+pulp+horror%2Cstripbooks%2C128&sr=1-1 The Collected Pulp Horror]. Both are profusely illustrated with book covers, some in color. Do I list the cover reproductions/reprints along with the reviews and articles? Is there a rule about this? I have no life, so either way is fine, and I got the time to list everything. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 20:03, 27 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: If the reproductions are of genre novels and books - YES - as interior art that then gets varianted into the covers when possible! If they are not - as long as the reviews are of eligible books, the whole book is eligible so... yes. There is actually a chance that you may discover previously unknown artists for some of our books - in which case you can add a coverart record crediting the books you are holding and then use that as a parent for the reproduction. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 20:48, 27 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Angry Candy Art ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?123061; I was adding 2 links to Houghton Mifflin and 1 to Mariner (+ page numbers) when I noticed the odd page numbering for the art in Plume; very early 2007 PV here so maybe that was the thing back then but now it doesn't need page numbers, does it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:00, 28 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Hughart Omnibus ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?136566; Finding a photo of Barry Hughart on FantLab spurred me to add archived links to editions of all 3 of his novels but his omnibus is nowhere to be found. The original publisher apparently published nothing else and the Subterranean edition was re-released with corrections. Someone here must have a copy of one of these books; if they do, I'm sure some info can be fixed/added. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:00, 28 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cleanup Report: Potential Duplicate E-book Publications ==<br />
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I just noticed that all of the titles by Glynn Stewart that have a Patreon edition ebook publication are showing up on the Potential Duplicate E-book Publications Cleanup Report. For example: "A Question of Faith". Right now there's only about 35 of them but is there any way to tweak the report criteria so they aren't on it? They are very definitely not duplicates. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:58, 28 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Thus the word "Potential" - these reports have a hidden functionality in them :) Moderators can ignore the ones which are valid and do not need to be flagged. For non-moderators, if you provide a list of the valid ones in a Moderator Board post, a moderator will look them over and click on the ignore for you. This is valid of a lot of our reports - they don't always mean that there is an issue - or that what they are flagging is the issue - they are just a "go check this again" warning based on automatic checks. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:10, 28 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Itsy Bitsy Spider ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1013230; This is a very confused title. I just made 3 PENDING edits removing title from Shivers III, importing title from Read Your Fears into Shivers III, and re-dating that title to date of Shivers III. Now the problem is that the parent title is wrong because this story was co-authored with his daughter (and the 1994 date is also wrong) but his collection Aftershock does list the title in table of contents as Itsy Bitsy Spider and doesn't mention a co-author. Archive.org copy of Aftershock is messed up and doesn't allow any searches so I think the correct thing to do would be to add co-author to parent title and then re-title it and date it to match the kid's anthology it first appeared in and for someone who has access to Aftershock to verify what's on the story's title page and fix if needed. Anyone have it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 01:20, 29 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I reversed the variant and parent so that the original title with both authors is now the parent. Looking at the Amazon Look Inside for ''Aftershock & Others'', Meggan C. Wilson is listed in the acknowledgements for "Itsy Bitsy Spider" and searching her name within the Look Inside shows a hit on page 151 (page story starts on) even though the page is not shown. As such, I added her to that story. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 02:02, 29 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Lucifer and the Child ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5705474; Judging by the wartime note on copyright page and 1944 dates of writing on last page I think book date should be changed to 1945 like WorldCat says. What say you? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:49, 29 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Spanish Genesis ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?88476; https://www.amazon.com/-/es/dp/8432037427; I was entering several edits for Harbinson books and came across this. Someone more familiar with Spanish publications may know what the "2d" on the cover means, whether this is a reprint of the original Planeta or if there was an earlier edition from someone else, and I'm sure the seller's description in Spanish has some info that could be useful. In case anyone wants to enter anything. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:29, 29 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Betancur ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=betancur&type=Name; Likely the same artist. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:49, 30 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== It-Alien Nation ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3405; Some weird uploader from Canada has 3 obscure Canadian non-fiction items in their account and a HC Italian edition of Alan Dean Foster's novelization of the 1988 film Alien Nation, https://archive.org/details/aliennation0000fost, in case anyone fluent wants to enter that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:34, 30 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Out of the Everywhere ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?37423; I added Archive.org link in a PENDING edit to 1981 US PB, someone's note about comma only on cover and spine but someone added it to cover art and Canadian PB title, needs removing, also someone's note about LCCN not being on LoC but someone added it to both US and Canadian, needs removing from External ID and adding number to notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:02, 30 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Caramine ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=weapon+master&type=All+Titles; I don't usually dabble in old pulp but I think I stumbled across something here. Note in Caramine's record says it's a pseudonym of a SF guy; search for title and Robert Hoskins gets a few mentions in SF bibliographies but this search, https://archive.org/search?query=%22weapon+master%22+%22a.+l.+caramine%22&sin=TXT&sort=-addeddate, shows a few copies of the zine where Caramine's credit was. This review of the zine where the Hoskins credit was, http://andrewdarlington.blogspot.com/2015/12/retrospect-science-fiction-adventures.html, mentions Newcastle and Jordan's Delight, 2 places mentioned in the Caramine story, so I think it's obvious that Hoskins reprinted the story under his own name. Also interesting is that the note here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?212773, mentions "Ac" as artist for the Hoskins story; Ac=A. Caramine? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:33, 2 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jason ? Brock ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=dark+sea+within&type=All+Titles; Last item has no period after V in Brock's name; eBay copy also shows no period on contents page and Kobo preview shows no period on acknowledgements page but all-important story page wasn't seen, so if anyone owns/knows where a readable copy is it would help to decide whether it needs to be a variant or merged. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:44, 2 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Lee Ann Barlow / Lee Kuruganti ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?248792 Lee Ann Barlow] appears to be the married name of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?102605 Lee Kuruganti].<br />
* Lee Ann Barlow - 49 titles, earliest 2016-10-00.<br />
* Lee Kuruganti - 109 titles, latest 2016-01-00.<br />
Normally we would make Lee Kuruganti the canonical name. Are there any objections to making Lee Ann Barlow the canonical name? This will avoid having to reverse the relationship at the point where Lee Ann Barlow is the most recognized. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:57, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Ordinarily, recently published titles have more "weight" when determining "the most recognized name for the author within the SF genre", so I would be agree with the proposal if the numbers were close. However, 49 vs. 109 is rather lopsided and there is no guarantee that the artist will continue publishing as by "Lee Ann Barlow" going forward, at least at the same rate of publication. It makes me hesitant to create an exception. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:34, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Your point regarding future publications is valid. I'll make Lee Kuruganti the canonical name for now. We can revisit if the credits equalize. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:20, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mr. Scott ==<br />
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I added cover artist to American edition of The Jules Verne Companion, Steve Hofheimer, thanks to FantLab, but the British edition is confusing. Both American and British (searchable on Google Books) say "Designed by Christopher Scott" on title page. ISFDB has a Chris Scott, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?228831, with cover art credit for the British, and a Christopher Scott, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?112902, with interior art for another Peter Haining anthology. Both Scotts also have short story credits for some other Scott with the same first name; whether author Chris and author Christopher are the same guy is another question. So anyone who maybe owns the British and can verify it says "Chris" on a flap or something would help. Separating authors from artists is also needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:36, 3 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Independence Day ==<br />
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https://media.tenor.com/13bNRuU9yDIAAAAC/july4th-yes.gif; https://media.tenor.com/YOYXiSoDol8AAAAd/happy4th-of-july-4th-of-july.gif. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:46, 4 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Manor ISBN ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_isbn&O_2=contains&TERM_2=1532&USE_3=pub_publisher&O_3=contains&TERM_3=manor&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication]; Killer Pack is the only Manor book which starts with 1532, just over 200 Manor books on ISFDB start with 0532, this eBay copy, https://picclick.com/Killer-Pack-Herbert-Myers-Paperbacks-From-Hell-285355696448.html, has no starting number on the spine, should it be changed from 1 to 0? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:20, 4 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Twilight Tales Presents, September 1998 ==<br />
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What happened to the cover? Also, it's verified for Locus1, but where is it listed there? I thought Locus was only for books. --[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 14:08, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?386118 Twilight Tales Presents, September 1998]. Galactic Central either moved the cover or had to delete it for some reason - the risk in using outside/non-ISFDB hosted covers. If it was moved, someone may be able to track it. If it is deleted, we need to find it elsewhere...<br />
: As for Locus1 - check with Ron. Part of it is that some of the things we consider magazines are considered anthologies by others (and vice versa) but the verifier can tell you what the answer is better than anyone else. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:28, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks, Annie. Sorry I didn't put the link in my post. I wonder why Galactic Central deleted it… --[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 14:31, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Copyright challenge, personal information (if there was a label on it?), a mistake by someone, just moving it somewhere, a better cover was uploaded but the name not used for some reason - who knows what happened. Their covers are usually stable (unlike their links) but things happen. You can always ask them if you want :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:38, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Locus1 actually does cover magazines in addition to books. Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:13, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::So I did ask Phil S-P, and this is what he said: "[''Twilight Tales Presents''] is one of those strange borderline publications that is sometimes classed as a magazine and sometimes as an anthology (I see that the ISFDb currently tries to have it both ways by listing some issues as magazines and some as anthologies!). My view is that it was an anthology series and, as such, falls outside my core remit."<br />
:::::Disappointing. —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 14:32, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Linking Award details on Award Type and Award Category pages ==<br />
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We currently use asterisks ("*") on Award Type and Award Category pages to link to nominations without a numeric value. See [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ay.cgi?23+2023 ''2023 Hugo Award''] for an example of an Award Type page which has no numeric values because only nominations have been announced: every link is an asterisk.<br />
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As [[User:ErsatzCulture]] pointed out earlier today, these asterisks are not particularly intuitive; it's hard for our users to tell that you need to click on an asterisk to see each award's detailed data. How about we replace "*" with the word "Details"? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:42, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:I think having the word "Details" would clutter up the page, especially given how those tables are displayed. Maybe use the Unicode 🛈 (U+1F6C8) or Ⓘ (U+24BE). Some other possibilities: ⎆ (U+2386), ⎘ (U+2398), ⏵ (U+23F5), Ⓓ (for "Details", U+24B9), ▶ (U+25B6), ► (U+25BA), ➤ (U+27A4), ➨ (U+27A8), ➔ (U+2794), ➜ (U+279C), ➥ (U+27A5), and ⮩ (U+2BA9). You could use one of these if "Nominated" was selected: 🅝 (U+1F15D), 🄽 (U+1F13D), 🅽 (U+1F17D), or 🇳 (U+1F1F3). If they're a finalist, there are the equivalent versions of "F": 🅕 (U+1F155), 🄵 (U+1F135), 🅵 (U+1F175), and 🇫 (U+1F1EB). <br />
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:I lean toward one of these two (out of those I listed): ▶ (U+25B6), ➤ (U+27A4). If you like the letters for "Nominated" and "Finalist", then I like 🇳 (U+1F1F3) and 🇫 (U+1F1EB). [https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/category/So This] is where I found these. Looks like they also have medals, too, for first (🥇 (U+1F947)), second (🥈 (U+1F948)), and third (🥉 (U+1F949)) places. That might be a little too fancy, though. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:47, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: I'm getting horrible flashbacks of sitting in meetings where a project manager and a graphic/UI designer were having a screaming fit about whether a white-i-in-a-blue-circle, or a question-mark-in-a-circle were best icons for this sort of link ;-)<br />
:: I do agree that "Details" might be a bit long, my initial thought was something like Heavy Asterisk ✱ (U+2731) and/or doing with the CSS to have a min-width on the link to make it easier to click on. <br />
:: However it then struck me - "Details" is perhaps overselling things for the majority of awards - in many cases, the award detail page doesn't (IIRC) have any info that isn't already shown on the ay.cgi list page. Could we perhaps do something like this for the link text:<br />
:: - if there's a number, show that (like we do at present)<br />
:: - if there's a note for the award - i.e. if the award_note_id is not NULL or zero - then show "More", an arrow icon, or something else that indicates there's more info available if the user wants it. (NB: we don't care what that info is, only if it exists, so there's no need to join onto the notes table in the underlying query)<br />
:: - if there's no note - i.e. award_note_id is NULL or zero - then show an asterisk, or some relatively uninteresting UI element, which facilitates clicking through to the award_details.cgi page, but doesn't mislead a user into thinking there's anything interesting to be found behind the link<br />
:: [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 16:27, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: I believe you are correct: the only thing that the Award page shows that isn't available on higher level "list" pages is Notes. I like the idea of having some kind of indicator to distinguish award records with Notes from award records without Notes. "More" is probably the most straightforward way to do it without adding clutter to the page.<br />
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::: Re: Unicode characters like 🇳 and 🇫, it's a complementary idea which can be addressed separately. We can certainly use them instead of asterisks for specific "award levels". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:46, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Here's a barebones implementation (less than a half-a-dozen lines changed) of what was discussed, at least as I understood/interpreted it<br />
:::: [[File:BasicAwardLinkImprovement.png]]<br />
:::: My initial thought is that "More" makes that column a bit too wide; maybe instead use something like [https://prod.emojipedia.org/information/ one of these images]? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 17:57, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: We already use "&#x24d8;" to indicate that a record has Notes -- see the "Translations" table on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1302553 this page], so I guess we could use the same symbol on Award pages. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:22, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: {{FR|1579}}, "Display a mouse-over Notes bubble for award records with Notes", has been created. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:36, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Profit of Doom ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5712870; I'm starting to slowly go through ErsatzCulture's very useful list of books published only in the UK and this one had a note from the long-missing PV "Prof Beard" with a link to the photo, so I uploaded it. The publisher has about 20 books on ISFDB with either David Hardy or David A. Hardy as cover artist so it's very likely the same guy but a jacketed copy would need to be seen in order to know how he was credited. This book seems to have fallen off a cliff into a black hole because there's almost no info about it anywhere, so if anyone can do better and find an online copy or owns one then the artist will probably be able to be entered. Unless they didn't credit him at all. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:55, 7 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Russian Sheckley ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/belaiasmertfanta0000shec; While fixing some title dates and adding a link to Dead Run re: Robert Sheckley's Stephen Dain novels I ran across this, an omnibus of all 5 of those books plus The Man in the Water, in case anyone fluent in Russian would like to enter that nearly 1,000-page monster. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:26, 8 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Series Map ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?2147; Should a map really be part of a series or is that a mistake that should be removed? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:52, 8 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Five Star Questions ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?933215; I've done a ton of edits for Five Star books today; 2 issues: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?933215, should those credits be separated since art is different? Also, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1150004, title date is November, book date is December, search of Google Books copy can't get a grasp on the copyright page credit, intro month needs adding, so anyone who can verify what's the month can fix title or book date and add month to intro. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:49, 8 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Trek Ladies ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5713417; There's no photo on Culbreath's Wikipedia so I found one but her writing partner Sondra Marshak has a photo of Vonda N. McIntyre on her Open Library page; I recognize it because some time ago I added 3 different versions of the same photo to her record here, each one better than the last, until I found the best one that's there now. Vonda's Open Library page has a much later photo that's correct because it shows up elsewhere online on pages re: her death. Any idea why her older photo is on the wrong page or why Culbreath's birth date on Wikipedia is several months later than what's here? Now that I think of it, it's possible Culbreath's photo isn't really her, either. Some older SF people here will probably recognize everyone and chime in. EDIT: Good Lord, it isn't her. An obituary on file770.com reveals that image is of Shirley S. Maiewski, another Trek writer, so I cancelled Culbreath and added the image to Maiewski. The mystery remains of what Culbreath and Marshak really look like and what's Culbreath's real birth date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:06, 8 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Witches Wraiths Warlocks ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?916737; I added 2 links to 1971 edition and 1 to 1973 edition, plus changed title from and to & like it says on cover and title page. Sadly, PV of all 3 editions is gone and 1988 edition says and on cover so he can't be asked if it's really & on title page and the 1 eBay copy shows back cover but not title page. So does anyone own the 1988 edition? Introduction would also need re-titling if it's &. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:10, 9 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Robert C. Goldston ==<br />
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{{A|Robert C. Goldston}} (1927-1982) was an American author who published 4 speculative fiction novels (we have 3 on file) and a significant amount of non-SF, some of it as by "James Stark". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:04, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I have added the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3206757 missing title] and sent a correction to SFE. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:02, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Our record currently links him to the "James Stark" who illustrated ''Nebula Science Fiction'' in 1956-1958. A SFE contributor has suggested that the US author and the UK artist were likely two different people. Would anyone happen to know more about this issue?<br />
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Also, we don't have Goldston's exact date of death on file. In a [https://groups.google.com/g/alt.obituaries/c/dlHahRx81_M 2017 Usenet/Google Groups discussion] one of the participants claimed to be Goldston's child and wrote:<br />
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* He died at the age of 54, in Palma de Mallorca on Jan 15 1982 after a short-lived and vicious battle against renal carcinoma. His death was attended by all of his family who would be the only ones who have this information, simply because nobody ever asked us.<br />
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I hesitate to add the date to our record without additional verification, but perhaps it may point someone else in the right direction. Palma de Mallorca is a Spanish city; perhaps a local/regional/national newspaper may have mentioned it? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:04, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I would take the cautionary way and add '1982-01-00' with an accompanying note that it has to be verified. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:23, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks for the feedback. Since we don't seem to be able to find a (semi)official source, I left it as "1982-00-00" and added the Usenet/Google Group quote to Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:57, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Re: the other point (the James Stark pseudonym): The Wikipedia entry states that he at "one time was a science-fiction cover artist under the pseudonym James Stark for Nebula Science Fiction.[6]" (the [6] referring to a now defunct source: sfcovers.net), so it seems quite possible that the two names belong to the same person, also for the cover artwork. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:23, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebula_Science_Fiction Wikipedia's article about ''Nebula Science Fiction''] mentions {{A|David A. Hardy}}'s article [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1560681 Art & Artists] in {{A|Robert Holdstock}}'s [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?204909 1978 ''Encyclopedia of Science Fiction'']. Checking page 129 of the book, I see that Hardy wrote:<br />
::* The Sottish-based magazine ''Nebula Science Fiction'', which appeared between 1952 and 1959, also gave cover space to artists including Eddie Jones, Alan Hunter, James Stark and Gerald Quinn. Stark's covers were often just that: severe portrayals of technology against which men were mere ants.<br />
:: Hardy doesn't mention the Goldston connection, which I suspect he would have done if he had been aware of it.<br />
:: ''Galactic Central'' [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/SFI/n01675.htm#A199 doesn't link] James Stark the artist to Robert C. Goldston either.<br />
:: It would appear that the only specialized bibliographic source that is not the ISFDB and that links the two people is the defunct SFcovers.net site -- see [https://web.archive.org/web/20140819040154/http://www.sfcovers.net/Artists/bpage017.htm this archived Web page]. It's even possible that they got the idea that the two authors/artists were the same person from us.<br />
:: Given the above, I would be inclined to break the Alternate Name link and document what we know in Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:28, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Hearing no objection, I have broken the link between the two author records, deleted/adjusted the VTs as needed and added Notes to both author records. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:26, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bear II ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive50#Bear; A copy of this was just uploaded and my edit adding a link was just approved; if anyone can stand to read it then it can be determined whether it's really genre or not. From skimming I get the feeling it's not, so deletion is possible. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:07, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Awards where the title has multiple authors, but some have declined ==<br />
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(This is a slightly edited version of an item I posted on Ahasuerus' page, but he suggested I post it here for wider opinion.)<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?205470 S. B. Divya] has announced that she declined 2 Hugo nominations. One is a novelette, and I've added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?78990 an appropriate entry for that], even if I guess it's not technically official until the stats report becomes available.<br />
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The other is more awkward, as it's a joint editorship of a semiprozine. I've added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?78952 a note] to explain the situation, and to try to pre-empt any complaints. However, this isn't visible on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3137421 the title page] or [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/eaw.cgi?205470 her award page].<br />
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One "solution" would be to unlink the award from the title, which I think might then allow you to edit the authors? I'm definitely not going to try that without a second or third opinion, and losing the link to the title record doesn't seem good. There might be some hack with editing the award_author value to lose the leading "S. B. Divya+", but I don't think that would solve the problem with the title.cgi or eaw.cgi pages?<br />
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Ahasuerus' response:<br />
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"Some authors/editors accepting a nomination and some authors/editors declining it" is a scenario that I don't think I have seen before. I can't think of a way to handle it given the current database schema, but perhaps I am missing something. I would suggest starting a discussion on the Community Portal to see if other editors may have other ideas.<br />
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Anyone got any thoughts on how we might be able to best handle this? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 11:57, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I consider our awards pages an extension of our publication pages, not our author pages. So I'd just add a note in the second case and that will be it - in the same way how we won't delete a book just because an author is now embarrassed of it (or something). If they are on the title record and the title wins an award, we mark it as such. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:15, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: At the moment we have two types of awards: title-based awards and "everything else" awards. We also have outstanding requests to add support for author awards ({{FR|583}}), publisher awards ({{FR|269}}) and series awards (no FR yet), but no work has been done on them as of yet.<br />
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:: For title-based awards, we link award records directly to title records. Our software then uses the linked title's author(s) and title when displaying the award; there is no way to have an award record display different authors or a different title. Award records are then given a "nomination level", which can be anything from "win" to "finalist" to "ineligible" to "withdrawn -- nomination declined".<br />
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:: This approach reflects how actual awards are structured reasonably well most of the time, but we have seen borderline cases which our software didn't support. For example, if an award has no provisions for an author withdrawing a nominated title, it's possible for a text to be both "nominated" and "withdrawn".<br />
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:: The situation described above reflects another issue with our model. If a title has multiple authors/editors and a subset of the authors/editors declines the nomination, we have no way of capturing the scenario in the database outside of Notes.<br />
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:: I guess one way to handle it at the data model level would be to create a separate "accepted/declined" multi-field with one value per author. It would be fairly time-consuming to implement and we would want to make sure that this solution doesn't have any holes in it before we create an FR. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:08, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: I really don't think that we need more than notes here. When all authors decline a nomination, the title is not nominated - we can handle this case already. When at least one does not decline, the title gets nominated and can even win - these are nominations for the texts, not for the authors after all. What happens if someone gets an award somewhere and a year later decides to withdraw (because they just learned about it and really dislike the body giving the award for example)? Or if whoever gives the award ignores a nomination rejection? I think we should just use the notes to document the cases where a rejection does not influence the title becoming a nominee/winner... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:33, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: For the moment, I've edited the note on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?205470 her page]; more than happy if someone else wants to refine the wording. I don't think we need to do anything with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3137421 the EDITOR title record], as that doesn't show any author/editor names in the awards section. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:06, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: I disagree with adding this note to the author's Summary Bibliography page. It is not our function to highlight what is really a personal decision. As bibliographers, were record the award and leave it at that. I'm fine with moving the note to the award record. Even if the consensus agrees with the current placement, the comment regarding our software is inappropriate and should be removed. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:53, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::: I agree - the note does not belong on the author note level - it should be on the award level - that is where it is relevant. I'd be ok for it to be on the title level (for better visibility) but it definitely does not belong on the author level. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:26, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::: You may be unsurprised to find that I disagree. I don't think we should have a page saying "Author X was a nominee for Award Y" when they have made [https://sbdivya.com/fwords/2023/6/29/withdrawing-from-hugo-nominations a clear public statement] that they have not. I think people would understand if we explicit acknowledge this error is due to technical reasons; obviously it would be better if that info only appears on the page it is pertinent to (the awards tab of the author page; it's not needed on the summary, alphabetical or chronological pages), but again that's not something currently supported. As I said, I'm more than happy for others to finesse the wording, but I feel we need to acknowledge the info shown is incorrect for reasons that we're not able to fix currently.<br />
::::::: It's barely 6 months since a blow-up which ended up with [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Speculative_Fiction_Database#History this] (final para of History section, see also [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Internet_Speculative_Fiction_Database#Refusal_to_update_author's_name_change Talk page]) and [https://www.patreon.com/posts/76590909 this] and various luminaries criticizing this site e.g. [https://twitter.com/pnh/status/1603369239091376128 Tor editor-in-chief], [https://twitter.com/JonathanStrahan/status/1603174740654718976 Locus reviews editor and anthologist], [https://twitter.com/aphoebebarton/status/1603886416534069253 SFWA Director-at-Large]. (There are a load more than those three, but the broken Musk-era Twitter is only showing them to me on the Android app, not the web version.) I imagine most of the editors here understand the structure of the database and site, but this stuff isn't apparent or easily understood to the wider audience. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 16:45, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::I think that was blown way out of proportion. While they claim to have been trying for "over a year", they never posted here (or on any of the other discussion pages) until [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB%3AModerator_noticeboard&type=revision&diff=651183&oldid=650924 14 Dec 2022] about their concerns. Once we knew about the concerns, they were completely addressed [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB%3AModerator_noticeboard&type=revision&diff=651480&oldid=651444 within about 5 days]. Their whining on Twitter and the coverage by Sanford were extremely one-sided and rather disingenuous. My guess is that the changes submitted (whatever they were, and whenever they were) didn't include appropriate documentation. Sanford also mischaracterized an editor's rather bigoted comment as by a "moderator", which was clearly false (not everyone who posts on that noticeboard is a moderator). We try to be as accommodating as possible, but when what they are complaining about is historical, they really don't have much ground to stand on. We document information as it was at the time of publication. We don't have a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministries_in_Nineteen_Eighty-Four#Ministry_of_Truth Ministry of Truth] that wipes out historical information. All things considered, I think we did a great job handling the issue once it was brought to our attention. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:04, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::: I agree that the issue, once posted on the Moderator Noticeboard, was handled expeditiously. As I wrote below, "when Lee Mandelo [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard/Archive_31#Records_Correction_-_Name_.26_Profile_Display asked to have our records updated to make "Lee Mandelo" the canonical name] in December 2022, we requested additional information to support the notion that "Lee Mandelo" was "the most recognized in-genre name" as per the ISFDB policies. Once the supporting information was provided, the canonical name was changed."<br />
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:::::::::: That said, the scenario where "the changes submitted (whatever they were, and whenever they were) didn't include appropriate documentation" is fairly common. There is a big knowledge gap between casual ISFDB users and experienced ISFDB contributors, especially moderators. When reviewing a new contributor's submission which seems to go against ISFDB rules, it's important to query the contributor to determine what the intent of the submission was. It's been my experience that many seemingly wrong or even nonsensical submissions contain good information once you figure out what the submitter was trying to do. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:58, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::::Perhaps we should add something like the following to '''all''' database editing forms. If it was placed at the top, and made very obvious (perhaps put it in a box with a yellow background?), it might help alleviate such issues:<br />
:::::::::::<blockquote>When submitting new information or changes to existing information, please include in the ''Moderator Note'' field references to where you got the information. This can be URLs to specific web pages, book or magazine titles and page numbers, that you spoke directly with a relevant person (please include details of the conversation), or anything else that will help us verify the changes you are submitting. This information should also be included in the publication or title note fields, as well. Doing this will help speed up the process of approving the submitted changes. Thank you!</blockquote><br />
:::::::::::Thoughts? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:35, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::::: A few things come to mind:<br />
::::::::::::* We could limit the display of the proposed "yellow box" to editors with fewer than 20 Wiki posts. It would be similar to the way we color-code submission rows on the Moderator Queue page. The text could start with something like "Hi! Since you haven't made many posts on the ISFDB Wiki, it looks like you are a new editor. Please be aware that the ISFDB database and its data entry rules are complex and may not be intuitive at first glance. When submitting new information or changes to existing information, please include [etc].<br />
::::::::::::* We should use "Note field" as opposed to "publication or title note fields" because the proposed box will appear on all Edit pages.<br />
::::::::::::* I am not sure asking new editors to duplicate what they enter in regular Notes in Moderator Notes would be a good idea.<br />
::::::::::::* This topic probably merits a separate Community Portal section since we are up to 12 levels of indentation.<br />
:::::::::::: [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:13, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::: I see three separate issues here. The first one is the accuracy of our data. The second one is the substance of ISFDB policies and what various people think of them. The third one is whether our practices match our policies. <br />
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:::::::: Re: accuracy, our software doesn't let us create a comprehensive picture of award records where only some of the co-authors/co-editors declined a nomination (outside of Notes.) There are three primary ISFDB pages which display this award in an incomplete manner due to software limitations:<br />
::::::::* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?78952 the award record]<br />
::::::::* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3137421 the EDITOR title record]<br />
::::::::* {{A|S. B. Divya}}'s [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/eaw.cgi?205470 Award Bibliography page]<br />
:::::::: I think it would be best to have a note on all 3 of these Web pages in order to make sure that we don't inadvertently mislead our users with incomplete data. At this time the Award record and the Author record already have notes while the Title record doesn't have a note.<br />
:::::::: In addition, we may want to clarify the language of the note. Something like "Note that the ISFDB award record for ''Escape Pod - 2022'' states that it was nominated for the 2023 Hugo award, which is only partially accurate due to software limitations. One of the co-editors, S. B. Divya, declined the nomination on 2023-06-29 while the other co-editor, Mur Lafferty, remains nominated as of 2023-07-10. See the award record for details."<br />
:::::::: Re: the substance of ISFDB policies and what various people think of them, as the ISFDB FAQ says, we do not have official social media presence. If someone wants to suggest a change to the ISFDB policies, they are welcome to post on the Rules and Standards page.<br />
:::::::: Re: the issue of whether our practices match our policies, when Lee Mandelo [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard/Archive_31#Records_Correction_-_Name_.26_Profile_Display asked to have our records updated to make "Lee Mandelo" the canonical name] in December 2022, we requested additional information to support the notion that "Lee Mandelo" was "the most recognized in-genre name" as per the ISFDB policies. Once the supporting information was provided, the canonical name was changed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:41, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::The problem comes up in several scenarios with title based awards. Those awards currently have a one to one relationship with a title record. Thus, for a title based award, we will always display the Title and Author fields from title record. I believe that schema for the awards table has its own title and author fields, and they used to be exposed and could vary from that of the title record. I had been using that feature to record differences between who was nominated vs who is on the title record when they varied, but [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] asked me to stop doing that in a prior discussion and we cleaned up any records where they differed. Aside from the current question (a nomination does not list all the editors for the magazine), we also have issues of having to enter multiple awards for a single nomination (same magazine for the 2023 Hugos, as there was a change in editors). We've had issues where the nominees for a title include someone in addition to the author of that title (see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?63684 2019 Best Art Book] which was awarded to Charles Vess and Le Guin). We've also had instances where the title of the work differs from the title as published (see this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?68201 2021 Novelette nominee] which was nominated as "Helicopter Story" which is the author's preferred title).<br />
:::::::::I think one way to solve these problems would be to allow the title and author fields for the award to vary from that of the linked title. I would also recommend that a single award could be linked to multiple title records. The award could then be listed in the author's award list for those authors from the award record and in all the title records that are linked. I'm not sure how radical a change that would be, though I suspect linking one award to multiple titles would be non-trivial. However, it would solve the issues noted above. I had seen Divya's announcement, but planned to wait to add the withdrawal until the Hugo statistics are published after the award ceremony. I hadn't worried about the magazine credit, because I'm used to the fact that magazine awards frequently do not reflect the persons nominated due to our software. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:25, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::::: Sorry about the delay; I am still thinking about the issues raised in your comments. There are some similarities with the way we handle REVIEW records. I am also trying to figure out how any future changes may affect the outstanding FRs for series-, publisher- and author-based awards. Lots of implications to consider. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:34, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::::: A few thoughts after sleeping on it:<br />
::::::::::::* Back when title-based award records had separate titles and author names associated with them, it could -- and did -- cause data consistency problems. Let me use a real life example. Suppose an editor creates an award record for a cover by {{A|Mel Odom}} and links it to the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1476319 COVERART record]. A year or two later another editor discovers that Mel Odom the writer and Mel Odom the artist are two different people, then changes the COVERART record to be associated with "Mel Odom (artist)". At that point the COVERART record is associated with "Mel Odom (artist)" while the award record is associated with "Mel Odom". The same thing could -- and did -- happen when editors corrected the spelling of author names and/or titles. Over time it resulted in a significant number of discrepancies.<br />
::::::::::::* Adding support for "titles and title authors as stated in the award nomination" wouldn't automatically address the issue that this discussion started with. What we are dealing with is a title record with two authors and two (effective) nomination records, one "nominated" and the other one "declined", a different scenario.<br />
::::::::::::* From a purely technical perspective, the way award authors were originally captured in the database was very poor. Instead of having a separate table to capture the "one title - many authors" relationship that a properly designed database would have, the award table had a single "award_author" field. If an award was associated with multiple authors, they were all entered in the same field using "+" signs as delimiters. Anyone familiar with database design knows that this is a terrible idea which causes no end of problems. If we were to separate "title authors" and "title authors as stated in the award nomination", we would need to redesign and re-implement this part of the software. It would be doable, but non-trivial given how many different Web pages and internal data structures would be affected. The same table and field(s) are used by "untitled" awards, so they would be affected as well. If we were to add support for "transliterated titles/author names" -- as may be needed to capture non-English awards -- it would make an even bigger project.<br />
::::::::::::* Award committees frequently use different forms of author names, including collective names like "The Brothers Hildebrandt", interchangeably. The first ballot may use one form of the name, the final ballot another and the name on the award document a third one. We'd have to come up with data entry rules for these scenarios.<br />
::::::::::::* Letting title-based awards be linked to multiple title records is an interesting idea. It would require a fair amount of work, but it wouldn't raise the same design issues that adding support for "titles and title authors as stated in the award nomination" would raise.<br />
:::::::::::: That's all I have been able to think of for now. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:06, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::::::I fired up my MySQL instance (from a 2021 backup) and I see some of what you mean. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:08, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::: Although awards-related tables haven't changed since 2021, I would recommend using the latest MySQL backup file to ensure that we are all looking at the same data structures. New tables and fields are added reasonably frequently; I added recognized_domains just a couple of weeks ago. Barring that, [[Database Schema]] should be up to date and display more information than MySQL's "describe" command. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:36, 20 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::::::: I actually recall using the + signs in my very early days of editing here. It does look like is an intermediate table that could be used to link one award to many titles (title_awards). Of course, the software would have to be altered to look at it that way. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:08, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::: I believe you are right about "title_awards": it should be able to support a "one award - many titles" relationship as it currently exists. The problem lies in the software, which assumes that there can be only one title record per "title-based award" record. For example, the "Link Award" page tells you to enter "0 to break the link" between the displayed title-based award and its title record. It would have to be changed to be more like the "Make Alternate Name" page, which lets you specify which parent-title relationship to remove. Doable, but it would take time. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:36, 20 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::::::: Despite the sloppiness of some award committees in changing credits and titles, I think we are trying to model a real world object (an award) that naturally has a title and authors. Since they don't necessarily match our data model (for books, etc.) we run into the problems I mentioned earlier as well as the issue that spurred this topic. I do think that having distinct award titles and authors that differ from title record titles and authors would solve this issue. We would still need to have two records in the awards table (1 for the declined nomination and 1 for the nomination). I think maybe if I explain the use case. The award records would include:<br />
:::::::::::::* Record 1 - Title: Escape Pod; Authors: Mur Lafferty, Valerie Valdes, Benjamin C. Kinney... (there are 7 editors, assistant editors, etc listed in the nomination; award level nomination, linked to titles {{T|3137421}} and {{T|3133670}}.<br />
:::::::::::::* Record 2 - Title: Escape Pod; Authors: '''S. B. Divya''', Mur Lafferty, Valerie Valdes, Benjamin C. Kinney... (there are 7 editors, assistant editors, etc listed in the nomination; award level withdrawn nomination declined, linked to titles {{T|3137421}} and {{T|3133670}}. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:08, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::: This is a very interesting example since it raises an issue that I haven't considered before. [https://www.thehugoawards.org/hugo-history/2023-hugo-awards/ This nomination], like a number of other recent nominations, lists a number of people who are -- explicitly -- not editors. The list reads:<br />
::::::::::::::* co-editors Mur Lafferty & Valerie Valdes; Assistant editors Benjamin C. Kinney & Premee Mohamed, host Tina Connolly, producers Summer Brooks and Adam Pracht<br />
:::::::::::::: The question that it raises in my mind is whether this award should be linked to our EDITOR record, which is limited to two co-editors. I am thinking that it's best described as an "editorial team award" and should be entered as an "untitled award" instead. Not only would it, arguably, be a more accurate representation of the relationship between the award record and other ISFDB records, but it would also make the award record appear on {{A|Benjamin C. Kinney}}'s, {{A|Premee Mohamed}}'s, {{A|Tina Connolly}}'s and {{A|Adam Pracht}}'s Award Bibliography pages (Summer Brooks doesn't have an author record in the database.) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:36, 20 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::::::::I would argue that entering magazine awards as untitled awards would not be what most users would expect. The category for the award, semiprozine, is for the all the issues of a magazine for a calendar year. The EDITOR title record (or records) is the only title record that we have for magazines and fanzines. I think folks would expect to see the award in question listed on those title records. This would be especially confusing if we used untitled awards only in cases where the named persons in the award for a given magazine differ from those we list in the author field of EDITOR titles for the year. I think the ''Escape Pod'' nomination is an excellent example of the issues with magazine awards. It has both multiple EDITOR records for the calendar year, and differences between persons listed on the award vs listed in our title records. I do understand that software changes would be required for any of the changes I've proposed, and that we have limited resources for making such changes. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:01, 20 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::Both awards would be displayed in the award pages as is currently done. The software could be altered to display the records in the authors list based on the authors in the award record. Thus, S. B. Divya would show only record 2, whereas Mur Lafferty would show both records 1 & 2. The software would also be altered to display the awards on each linked title record, but the title records would not cause the linked award to propagate its authors' records. <br />
:::::::::::::This approach would solve the problems of not showing the non-declined nomination on Divya's award list. It would also solve the problem of having to have multiple award records in order to link to multiple title records. Lastly, this would also allow us to include authors (assistant editors, podcast hosts) that are in the official nomination, but who we don't credit in our title records. The one wrinkle I thought of after my original post, was that we potentially have variant titles or variant author names that do not exist in our database. One solution to that would be to allow the creation of titles and authors that only appear because of an award. Variants would roll up to the canonical records as they currently do.<br />
:::::::::::::Regarding the sub-optimal author arrangement in the awards table. I agree that it should be changed, but I don't see that it would be necessary in order to allow the author name on the award to be editable, and to allow it to differ from that of the linked title. After all, it worked that way a few years ago, until editing those fields on the award record was locked down.<br />
:::::::::::::Agreed that we would have to come up with rules as to what the authoritative source is for award recipients and titles. This is currently an issue. I try to match the award to the title that matches the title and name announced for the award rather than linking them to our canonical title record. They roll up anyway. <br />
:::::::::::::I think this approach solves a number of problems. If others agree, it still sounds like the required changes would be extensive and non trivial. Perhaps there are incremental changes that could be made to move us forward. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:08, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::: @Ahasuerus re your final 2 paras. Fair point: I'll try to put something together to post over the next 2 days, although given that researching the Chengdu/Hugo stuff seems to turn up a new weird-and-wonderful thing every day (not all necessarily relevant to ISFDB), I'm not sure it might take a bit longer. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:31, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::::::: Apologies for not coming back on this; I've been preoccupied with other things the last few days. Re. some of the points raised, I know that there was a lot of work done to get the records changed; my concern is that a lot of ill will seemed to be generated due to initial stonewalling (or at least, the perception of it) by pointing to the existing Rules & Standards as a reason not to make those changes. I'll try to get a proposal posted by Sunday at the latest. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 12:52, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::::: No problem. Re: the "perception of stonewalling", I suspect that it's related to the previously mentioned gap between what new contributors know about the data entry rules and what moderators know about them. When a moderator says "This isn't how we enter bibliographic data", it's based on multiple layers of understanding of what the rules say and why they say what they say. In the case mentioned above, once the rules and the reasoning behind them were explained in detail, Lee Mandelo realized that we were missing a significant amount of relevant information and provided it in a follow-up comment. It clarified the situation, at which point we were able to clean up and reorganize the data quickly.<br />
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:::::::::::: Based on that discussion we added [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#How_does_the_ISFDB_deal_with_author_name_changes.3F a new entry] to the ISFDB FAQ, but it's relatively short. Perhaps we should create a new Help page or template explaining that we make a distinction between legal names, socially used names and professionally used "working names" and the reasons why the data entry rules are the way they are. Basically a summary of what I wrote in response to Lee Mandelo's original post. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:53, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::::::: Sorry for making an already complicated item even more messed up, but I only just noticed Rtrace's comment from a week ago: "I had seen Divya's announcement, but planned to wait to add the withdrawal until the Hugo statistics are published after the award ceremony. I hadn't worried about the magazine credit, because I'm used to the fact that magazine awards frequently do not reflect the persons nominated due to our software." It definitely crossed my mind about whether I was jumping the gun on making those edits based on what an author said, as opposed to what the award body had publicly stated. If it had just been a regular single author record that had been declined, I wouldn't have changed anything; it was the magazine credit that concerned me. Given that was backed up by the author's statement, which mentioned both nominations, I made the (debatable, I'm more than happy to concede) decision to address both of them. Next time something like this comes up, I'll raise it here rather than making pre-emptive edits. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:19, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::::::::::No worries, I'm just a little hesitant since the notice of declination didn't come from the official source. I suspect there are other declined nominations that we don't know about. They all should be reported in the official nomination statistics that are released after the ceremony. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:08, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Contacting Kenneth R. Johnson ==<br />
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Can anyone tell me how? I found some vintage SF pornos that he should know about, and add to his bibliography, if he ever revises it. Thanks for any help. —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 14:34, 10 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Never mind. Phil S-P helped me get in touch with him. —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 02:28, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Poem/Story ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5703635; If anyone's interested, I think it's a story, mod disagrees, hardly matters because it seems to be some squib from a much earlier play or something so if the link isn't added it wouldn't be much of a loss. I made a more helpful edit adding the Encyclopedia.com link I mentioned and also the archived jmichaelyates.com site, which goes back many years, because his site currently online is weird with many links going to an error page but other pages working just fine. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:36, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:[[User:Username|Username]] omitted one piece of important information. {{Locus}} lists this as a poem in their entry for {{P|34858|Tesseracts 8}} which contains the item. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:02, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yeah. Also, the Encyclopedia.com mention is in the discussion with mod on my user page, not in the rejection above. Just to clarify. A reply from anyone would be helpful so I can leave this minor edit behind; I've got 1,000 others waiting to be approved. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:27, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: The work is short fiction not poetry. I've added an internet archive link onto the author's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?116209 Summary Bibliography]. Open the site and select the short fiction tab. Open the drop down list on your left and you will see the story. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:33, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Yay. Also, RTrace, while I'm here I noticed you added some Star Trek slash fiction, Companion, and the cover artist is Gayle F. but it's signed Feyrer, who is on ISFDB as the cover artist for a later non-Trek magazine, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=gayle+f&type=Name. Whose name do you consider the parent so I can make a variant? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:40, 11 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::OK, thanks John for finding that. I've approved the submission.<br />
:::::Regarding Gayle F./Gayle Feyrer, [https://fanlore.org/wiki/Gayle_F Fanlore] lists her as "Gayle F" which I suspect is how she is most frequently credited. It also appears that she also uses the pseudonym "Sylvia Knight", though we have no titles using that byline. In any case, I'd go with "Gayle F." as canonical. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:06, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::Feyrer has been made a variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:06, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Malcolm for President ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5704973 this submission] to update {{T|24965|this title}}. There is an Amazon review asserting that this is an original story, though based on characters from the television series, which would seem to make the novelization flag invalid. However, I'm not certain that this title is eligible at all. From skimming reviews, I don't detect anything speculative about the novel. I also would question whether the authors {{A|Dan Danko}} and {{A|Tom Mason}} are above the threshold. If we determine that they are, I think the title should be marked as non-genre. What are other folks' opinions on whether this title should be deleted? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:04, 12 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I don't see anything genre or even genre-adjacent in the novel either. Nor I see a reason for the authors to be considered above threshold. So I vote to delete the book altogether. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:48, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Hearing nobody coming to this title's defense. I will zap it. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:43, 19 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Fright Night Covers ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?289979; [https://web.archive.org/web/20071008121652im_/http://www.craigspector.com/frightnight.cover.jpg]; So I have been doing some Skipp & Spector edits, the splatterpunk co-authors who were so popular back in the 80s and 90s, and I discovered that Craig Spector's homepage URL now links to some foreign (Vietnamese?) site so I replaced it with the archived version which goes all the way back to 2005. While looking through the site I found that cover linked above; the Tor edition on ISFDB shows the villain of the movie, the head vampire played by Chris Sarandon, but the cover on Spector's site shows a totally different cover with one of the villain's minions, the girlfriend of the movie's teenage hero, played by Amanda Bearse, who would become famous a few years later for playing Al Bundy's neighbor Marcy on Married With Children. So was it re-released with a different cover? Is it an early mock-up that was changed before release? I'd like to know if anyone knows. It could have been worse; they could have used another one of the villain's minions, the hero's friend Evil Ed, on the cover, played by Stephen Geoffreys, who gave up mainstream acting in the early 90s and pursued a career in hardcore gay porn. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:13, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Doubleday First Edition ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?266014; https://archive.org/search?query=clickwhistle; https://www.ebay.com/itm/153845632156; I replaced cover image with another Amazon one with a different URL that looks exactly the same but is much bigger. I wanted to add the Archive.org link but over time I've come to realize that a lot of Doubleday (and probably many other publishers) books I and others here have linked to may not have been the true first edition because, as can be seen in the links above, the 1 useful copy on eBay shows the copyright page with "First Edition" while the archived copy does not say that. So is there a way to tell which edition it is? Gutter codes or something? EDIT: Also this, https://archive.org/search?query=watkins+the-god-machine. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:58, 13 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Zebra ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?52948; I'm trying to get this page down to zero. What I've done today is add Kensington Publishing to publisher for 1987 edition of Time-Kissed Destiny because that's what it says on title page (also added author's note on last page); first edition of Once In a Lifetime already has Kensington in it on ISFDB. So ElectricStarboard, who entered the later editions of those 2 novels, may want to chime in with whether they have Kensington on their title pages so it can be added. That Warren Smith book is 70s "non-fiction" junk about space pyramids and should be deleted. I asked NihonJoe about whether his PV copy of Book of Space says Kensington and he put my edit on hold a long time ago but never responded so I cancelled it; if he reads this maybe he can say now what it says on title page. Dracula's Guest, which I just made an edit for fixing the cover artist (turns out it's not Greg Theakston but rather the mysterious FMA, who has about a dozen ISFDB credits), has 1 copy on eBay with photos but doesn't show title page. As far as Death Screen, I don't know, can't find it anywhere. So after my Time-Kissed edit is approved and Book of Space has Kensington added, I hope, and the pyramid book is deleted, that will just leave 4 books. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:51, 15 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Joe just fixed Book of Space; only a few more to go. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:31, 26 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Geller the Artist ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=geller&type=Name; M. Geller is almost certainly Martin Geller because they did covers for a single St. Martin's Press book each, one in '78 and one in '79. However, the credit for Infinite Dreams by Martin says design, not art, so probably shouldn't have any credit except in notes. So should it be moved to notes and M.'s legal name be made Martin (this is assuming, of course, that M.'s credit really says art in the book like it says in the PV's notes)? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 02:14, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mary Shelley Award for Outstanding Fiction ==<br />
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I'd like to add this award to the ISFDB data base -- here is a list of past recipients https://media-ecology.org/Past-Awards (scroll down for Mary Shelley Award) [[User:PaulLev|PaulLev]] ([[User talk:PaulLev|talk]]) 20:27, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I am not familiar with Media Ecology Association, but their [https://media-ecology.org/board Executive Board] and the list of present/past officers include a number of scholars at accredited universities, so it appears to be legitimate. [https://media-ecology.org/Past-Awards Award recipients] include {{A|Ted Chiang}}, {{A|William Gibson}} and {{A|Ernest Cline}}. Curiously, they are associated with [https://media-ecology.org/affiliations The Institute of General Semantics] which was founded by Alfred Korzybski, who influenced a number of SF authors like van Vogt and Heinlein back in the day. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:23, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: I'm not sure a win for Ready Player One does much for their credibility /s {{unsigned|ErsatzCulture}}<br />
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::: I realize that it's a joke, but let me clarify for the benefit of new editors. We determine whether an award is legitimate based on what kind of organization administers it and for what purpose. Awards given by publishers or promotional/advertising companies to promote their clients' books and stories are generally not considered "real" awards for our purposes and are not included. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:07, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: Sorry - more than happy for that cheap gag to be removed/struckthrough/whatever, if you think that would be best. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 13:40, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: No worries, it created an opportunity to clarify our eligibility criteria. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:09, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: But seriously, this looks like a good addition to my eyes. I have a couple of questions relating to practicalities, which maybe PaulLev knows the answer to:<br />
:: * What exactly is the eligibility period? [https://media-ecology.org/Call-for-Nominations This page asking for 2024 nominations] says "Open to novels, short stories, hypertexts, plays, scripts, comics, audio recordings, motion pictures, videos, and other narrative forms, published or released in 2019 or later...", so is it a rolling 5-year period? (TBH, if that's the case, that's pretty cool - one of my problems with awards is that they're all seemingly based on the past 12 months, which privileges stuff that has a lot of hype and frontloaded readership.)<br />
:: * Besides that list of recipients, is there any sort of press release that has more details about the winners? I know when I've added stuff like this year's Locus finalists, when you get down to some of the more obscure categories where nominees weren't already in the database, tracking them down, working out if their pubs are eligible for inclusion here, etc can require a fair bit of legwork. If there's some info about the winners published, that would help in reducing that burden.<br />
:: * I looked up 2017's winner on [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Surveys-Novel-Semiotext-Native-Agents/dp/1584351780/ Amazon UK], and it doesn't appear to have any speculative element. For such works, I guess doing an "untitled award", with a note saying it's not speculative, is the way to go? (Again, any PR that describes the winning work will be helpful in determining the speculative-ness.) For awards like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_category.cgi?860+1 Goodreads Choice Mystery & Thriller category], we only add the speculative works, but given there's just a single winner here, maybe having an untitled entry will make it clearer?<br />
:: {{unsigned|ErsatzCulture}}<br />
::: Good questions! 1. Yes, the eligibility period is a rolling 5-years. 2. This announcement is put up on the Internet every year https://media-ecology.org/2023-MEA-Awards 3. The only criterion is "fiction" -- so, yes, in principle, there could be an award given to a work that is fiction, but not speculative fiction. But as far as I can tell, that happens very rarely. Also, the award is not given every year. [[User:PaulLev|PaulLev]] ([[User talk:PaulLev|talk]]) 13:10, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Hearing no objection, I have created an Award Type record and entered these awards for the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_category.cgi?1071+1 SF titles that we have on file]. I didn't create "untitled" award records for non-genre titles. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:55, 23 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Thanks! [[User:PaulLev|PaulLev]] ([[User talk:PaulLev|talk]]) 23:25, 24 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cordwainer Smith Rediscovery Award ==<br />
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Rich Horton [https://rrhorton.blogspot.com/2023/07/cordwainer-smith-rediscovery-award-for.html posted] about this year's winner, and I went to add them, only to find this award doesn't currently exist in the database. TBH it's one that I only had vague awareness of, but it does have [http://www.sfadb.com/Cordwainer_Smith_Rediscovery_Award SFADB] and [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/cordwainer_smith_rediscovery_award SFE] pages, and has been going for just over 20 years.<br />
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In essence, it's a single category award, just a winner, no nominees or finalists, and is to an author who the judges felt does/did not get as much attention as they deserved. Most of the past winners are names that I recognize, even if I think I've only read half-a-dozen or so of them. (Possibly the sort of scenario that the award was set up to address?)<br />
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[http://www.cordwainersmith.com/award.htm The award's site] lists who has been on the judging panel; again they're people I recognize and who are respected in the field. (Although it looks like that page hasn't been updated for a decade?) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 03:57, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I thought we already had an Award Type for this fairly well-known award, but apparently not. Must have been an oversight. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:51, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: I must confess all the less-well known awards named after people who were active years ago blur into one in my mind - the non-Astounding Campbell, Crawford, Crook, Wellman, this one - blur into one in my mind.<br />
:: If and when this gets set up, I'll add all the winners - should be pretty straightforward compared to the likes of Hugo and Locus. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 11:04, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Since this is a no-brainer, I have created an [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?109 Award Type record] for it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:16, 19 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: Thanks - unless someone else beats me to it, I'll probably add all the winners on Saturday. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 12:01, 19 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::: A day later than I'd promised, but these are all in now. Thanks again for adding it. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:02, 23 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:27, 23 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Alex Gordon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?6359; The essays are by this person, https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0329966/, but they may not be eligible since he usually wrote about old movies in his long-running column for Fangoria. If they are eligible, some variant is needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:43, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Watson Bon-Bon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=de+bon-bon&type=All+Titles; Copy of BBR #11 just uploaded, I made an edit adding link and adding/fixing other stuff, this Watson work was in French originally and reprinted in English in this zine, never collected, but as can be seen capitalization, subtitle, and whether it's fiction or essay are issues. So it's for someone else to decide what's best re: those things. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:20, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Fake Ring ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=ring00pier&sort=-addeddate; While adding links to 2 copies of Piers Anthony's 1968 Ace edition of The Ring I found a 3rd copy on Open Library but it's actually a completely different thing, a sampler of some T. A. Barron books, in case anyone thinks that's worth entering. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:30, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Canonical name change Willard E. Hawkins from Willard Hawkins ==<br />
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Any objections to making [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?13700 Willard E. Hawkins] the canonical name and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?13701 Willard Hawkins] the alternate? <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Scifibones|Scifibones]] ([[User talk:Scifibones|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Scifibones|contribs]]) .</small> 05:38, 19 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: No objections here. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:09, 19 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Hearing no objections, the relationship has been reversed. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:00, 25 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Chiller ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?961199; Someone named Aardvark entered this recently. I knew I'd seen that cover art before on one of Karl Edward Wagner's horror anthologies and I had, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1435921. So it apparently originated here, not the French book. Also, I saw on OL that Chiller is "based on" a 1972 novel by Sale, The Love Bite, whatever that means. Maybe that one belongs here, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:16, 19 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Cover Artist: Ampersand Book Covers ==<br />
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We currently have a cover artist named [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?306339 Ampersand Book Covers]. I just found the website for that artist and was going to add it to the existing Author record but noticed that the [http://www.ampersandbookcovers.com/ website] shows the name as "Ampersand Book Cover Design". So far the only titles that are credited to this artist use "Ampersand Book Covers" as per the statements on their copyright pages. I have several new titles that are by this artist (not credited but definitely by this artist per the website portfolio page) and wonder if I should just use the existing artist after adding the website data and a note about the full name to the existing artist record or if I should use the full name from the website and make it a variant of the existing artist record. Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:20, 19 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I would credit 'Ampersand Book Covers' and a note in the canonical record. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:54, 20 July 2023 (EDT).<br />
: P.S. The pub still gets a note stating that the artist is uncredited. I 'm aware you know this already, but less experienced editors might be following this thread. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:39, 20 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Will do. Thanks. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:31, 20 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Green Knight ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15963; Philfreund, Chavey, GlennMcG, letting you all know LCCN isn't on their site, should be removed and put in notes section. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:04, 19 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The LOC site isn't always reliable for older LCCNs. It's likely still valid, just difficult to find. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:05, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Swedish Vampires ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5720694; After approval I'm sure those who are fluent in the language can improve upon my edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:52, 20 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Hound of Frankenstein ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?284512; I'm not sure why I added that ponderous link re: the prices in the note a long time ago because the back cover is on FantLab, but anyway, while adding a link today to FantLab and replacing cover with theirs I noticed there's no "The" on title page but there is in the first Mammoth Book of Frankenstein edition which I checked via the archived link. So if anyone can verify there's a "The" in all editions of that anthology then the story title should be separated and made a variant of the original title. Also, someone added full date to chapbook from Amazon UK but I don't know if anyone trusts them enough to add it to the story itself. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:08, 20 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== George Wells ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?24739; I've been doing a lot of edits for old Arthur Stockwell books (there's a huge gap between the last older book and the recent ones) and came upon George Wells. As someone wrote, there may be more than one; I suspect it's 4 different guys since it's not likely a very obscure British author would write an article for an American pulp zine 25 years later and it's also not likely that the author of a cheap paperback horror novel would write a couple of stories for a semi-literary anthology series more than 20 years later. Also, cover of Taurus on Amazon has $2.95 on the cover so either the price on ISFDB, $2.50, is wrong or there's at least one reprint. EDIT: 1 copy of Taurus on eBay, it's Canadian thus the higher $2.95 price, like DAW Books in the 1980s Signet Canadian editions start number line with 2, glad someone wrote a note about that in another 1982 Canadian Signet book on ISFDB otherwise I would have entered it as a second printing. Should be approved soon; hopefully someone will upload a copy of this book to Archive.org someday. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:56, 20 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I noticed this morning that another editor has separated old novel & article, '82 horror novel, and recent short stories into 3 separate Wells. While looking into this I discovered there's a George O. Wells but searching for his story title inside Archive.org I discovered it's George R. Wells, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5721607, so that's a bonus. There's also a G. A. Wells that wrote a story for a 1923 issue of Weird Tales the same year that a George Wells wrote the novel from Stockwell so could that be the same person? A lot of Brits wrote stories for that zine. EDIT: Jeez, it turns out the other entry in that zine with George R. Wells is wrong, too, it's Inside of a Piece of Sugar. There's nearly 100 issues of Science and Invention on ISFDB and I doubt I came across the 1 issue with wrong names/titles so a thorough check is probably needed. EDIT: Fixed this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3036272, quotes around Loaded. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:13, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Raw Brunettes ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1256247; Wild Women pub. history, searched on Google Books, says "first two sections" so that one should have (excerpt) after it and be separated from its full appearance in the Wordcraft book. I've been doing a lot of Wordcraft edits and their Speculative Writers series numbering is a mess, whether their fault or editors here I'm not sure, so that will probably need some discussion later on. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:19, 21 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Paksenarrion World Chronicles ==<br />
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With the publication (and entry) of Elizabeth Moon's new collection [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3209577 Deeds of Youth], I have created a new series named [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?70445 Paksenarrion World Chronicles]. Would there be any objection to placing the older collection [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1856054 Deeds of Honor] in it as number 1? I'd also like to remove the series name in the title and the cover artist (who's actually credited as the cover designer) from [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?520995 this publication] which was sole PVed by the late Biomassbob. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:32, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:That would be fine. Please move the cover designer to the pub notes vs. completely removing. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:38, 23 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wrong Author and Their Variant ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5722391; I was going through Eerie, Indiana book series, got through first 4 before #5 only had a 3rd printing on Archive.org and I lost interest, but all of them (and I suspect the others, too) have a lot of missing/wrong info. Only 1 of the 4 was PV (O'Fearna) but 1 of the non-PV had a co-author who didn't co-write it. So now that I removed Mike Ford will the record for the book with his other name, Michael Thomas Ford, go away or does it have to be deleted or something? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:12, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The proper way to deal with the parent is with a merge. I took care of it for you. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:36, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bond, Stephen Bond ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5722846; Only 5 issues, none PV, all on Archive.org, figured I'd add links and a few minor things and that would be it, but of course I ran into trouble with the first issue (by the way, is the page count I entered correct?) because the Flying Saucer essay is by Stephen Lloyd, not Stephen Bond, but it is by Bond in the Fantastic Universe issue it originally appeared in. There's also the fact that a 2022 novel by a Stephen Lloyd was recently entered here so there goes that name. What would you like to be done? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:28, 22 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I accepted the edit. Yes, that page count was correct - for magazines we include the covers in the page count. As for the essay, I will unmerge it, credit it to a Stephen Lloyd (I), variant to the original, and create a new alternate name. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:33, 23 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::3rd issue had alternate title of Kapp's story so I imported that and deleted the wrong title. This, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?327861, has no alternate title but checking UK New Worlds on Luminist.org it's "The High Road" but it's "High Road" in US issue. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?44455; it's "Waiting Grounds" in US issue, a title that apparently is not used anywhere else. EDIT: #5 seems OK so I think I'm done. I currently have 7 New Worlds edits plus 1 changing alternate title date of Kapp's story to match where it first appeared (more than 50 years earlier). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:30, 23 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Chaos Weapon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?9236; I added Archive.org link to 1977 US PB in PENDING edit, as note says it's DiFate on copyright page, no space, but credit here is for Di Fate. Correct name was entered here for the 2 1984 editions so 2 1977 editions (and French edition) should probably be the same; DiFate has dozens of credits here already. I count half-a-dozen active PV of this edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:18, 23 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== PSP ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5722877; Is there any word on whether Phil Stephensen-Payne is going to update to https? Because there are tens of thousands of images on ISFDB from his various sites. It's not exactly true that they don't display here, they do if you right-click and choose "Open image in new tab", but still. I just added an edit to his page here adding a link to a search engine at pulpflakes.com, chose Braunbeck at random and search engine immediately opened a new tab with the philsp.com record for Gary Braunbeck. This search engine IS https; come on, Mr. Payne, do the right thing and update your sites. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:13, 23 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ted Koppel ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?161708; I remember adding to this page a long time ago, photo and possibly bio info, but as I came across the name just now while looking at Phil Stephensen-Payne's record I wonder if the famous newsman is the right Koppel. He was born in England but moved to America long before the 2001 UK edition of this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1275674, where a Ted Koppel was co-author. Could there be a bio in the Harness work? Anyone own a copy? I assume if there is a different SF-related Koppel the 1979 essay in Starship would be by the same guy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:38, 23 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ingalls With Dirty Faces ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5724110; I was doing a whole mess of Rachel Ingalls edits and the very last one gave me trouble; is it just me or does anyone else see the replacement cover with black smudges on it? It doesn't look like the cover does on SFE. Amazon and SFE covers look pretty much the same so no real reason to replace it, anyway, I'd just like to know if I'm seeing things. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:58, 24 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Rage By FMA ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?166329; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?269444; I mentioned this cover artist in my Zebra message above, FMA did covers for paperbacks in the 1970s, today while adding a link to an article about Stephen King's 1977 Richard Bachman novel Rage on the Fox News (!) website I noticed the spine (which isn't shown in the cover on ISFDB) had something that looked like a signature and it turned out it's FMA. I can't find a single mention anywhere online but I find it hard to believe a rank amateur like myself discovered something like this so if anyone can point to somewhere that mentions it I'd appreciate it. In the meantime I've made an edit adding cover artist to Rage; there's also a later British NEL PB on ISFDB with different cover art so maybe someone here can identify that artist, too. Identifying FMA would also be great. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:07, 24 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== German J. Kirby ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?576053; Kirby died in 2001, this book is 2004, could be that the cover is re-used from some earlier English book, anyone recognize it so variant can be made? EDIT: I managed to figure this one out, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5724820, took a bit of looking because German cover here is the size of a postage stamp. I also did this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5724821. There are others which need more looking into, a Piper 7th printing with no cover and a German Good Omens cover which has 3 editions that credit Kirby but none of the English editions credit him (?); on the plus side, I saw an OL-only copy of the Berkley edition of Good Omens so I added a link to that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:54, 25 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:I'm slowly working through the German editions and printings of Pratchett when i get a hand on them and with that Josh Kirby's artwork. I'll merge or variant them, whenever i can. Sometimes not easy, sometimes the german publisher used cutouts, even from english backcovers. <br />
:Here's an example where i couldn't find an english pub with the same picture yet [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5725049 Omnibus "Gevatter Tod/Wachen Wachen"]. So far i only found it on an 2001 Discworld wall calendar, which isn't listed here.<br />
:This might also be the case with the german "Good Omens" covers, maybe it comes from a calendar or portfolio but was never used for an english edition.<br />
:[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5724820 This one] i have, i'd love to contribute a better image, but it's so shiny that scanning isn't possible, even a photo is tricky. Maybe some day when i figured out how to make a useable image. [[User:Welo|Welo]] ([[User talk:Welo|talk]]) 04:17, 26 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== New yellow warning for conflicting submissions ==<br />
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{{FR|1453}}, "New yellow warning for conflicting submissions", has been implemented. Post-submission review pages for Edit Record submissions have been updated to display yellow warnings if the currently displayed submission overlaps/conflicts with another Edit Record submission.<br />
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Please note that the new warning won't be displayed when there is a conflict between an EditPub submission and a related EditTitle submission, at least for now. This is due to performance issues, but it may be possible to address them in the future. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:27, 25 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Out of the Unknown ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?34126; None of the notes in the various editions really mention "Second Edition" on copyright page so someone more familiar with the history maybe can tell me which record this copy, https://archive.org/search?query=%22out+of+the+unknown%22+fantasy, belongs to so I can add a link to it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:59, 25 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== John Gregory ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?START=0&TYPE=Title&USE_1=author_canonical&O_1=exact&TERM_1=John%20Gregory&ORDERBY=title_title&C=AND]; Old pulp story and 70s SF novel aren't by the same John Gregory. Also, I made an edit adding OL ID to the novel and noting the bizarre situation where OL link to Archive.org leads to a Shakespeare book; searching for novel's title displays all of these, [https://archive.org/search?query=legacy-of-the-stars&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22]. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:13, 26 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Parker Poltergeist ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?860463; I was going to add something to the Parker edition's publisher name to differ it from the 40-years-later Parker but really it probably shouldn't be here, being "true" paranormal junk by an author below the threshold whose only relevant credits are some cover art many years later. Ace edition has 2 PV, one gone, one active but transient. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:06, 26 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== "Next Submission" link for self-approvers ==<br />
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Self-approvers now have access to the same "Next Submission" link that moderators have on post-submission review and post-approval pages. The difference is that the self-approvers' version of the "Next Submission" link takes them to the next submission created by themselves. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:19, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Looking for an old story ==<br />
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G'day,<br />
Does anybody know of any sites or forums that could help me find an old short story?<br />
Cheers. {{unsigned|Nailgun Johnny}}<br />
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: We have compiled a list of resources that may help identify stories and novels. It's listed in the [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#I_need_help_finding_a_book FAQ], but it's short enough to re-post it here:<br />
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:*[https://community.abebooks.com/s/forum-topic-results?language=en_US&topicId=0TO3n0000003yS1GAI&type=Community%20Forum Book Sleuth] on AbeBooks<br />
:*[https://www.reddit.com/r/printSF/ printSF] subreddit on Reddit<br />
:*[https://groups.google.com/g/rec.arts.sf.written?pli=1 rec.arts.sf.written] newsgroup<br />
:*[https://www.reddit.com/r/tipofmytongue/ Tip of My Tongue]<br />
:*[https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/185-what-s-the-name-of-that-book What's the Name of That Book???] on Goodreads<br />
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: HTH! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:32, 27 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Or you could just give a description of the story here and let us try to figure it out. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 07:56, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Award display enhancement ==<br />
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Award records which have Notes associated with them now display a mouse-over bubble with the Notes text, e.g. see the "Awards" section of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2859162 this Title bibliography page]. The presence of mouse-over information is indicated by the &#x24d8; character, which is the same character that we use in the "Other Titles" section to indicate the presence of Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:20, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks for picking this up after I dropped the ball somewhat. One bug I just noticed: templates don't seem to be rendered in the bubble.<br />
: e.g. if you go to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ay.cgi?23+2023 this year's Hugos], and scroll down to Best Series, the text is rendered as { { S|Seriesname } }. I've a feeling the rendered link might be impossible for a user to click on - as the bubble disappears if you mouseover it, although maybe keyboard navigation could get to it? - so perhaps if that just rendered as ordinary HTML text, that'd be sufficent? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 10:24, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks for reporting the problem. Oddly enough, the "Other Titles" section renders bubbles correctly even though it uses the same code. Let me poke around... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:14, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: And fixed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:58, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Barzman Twinkle ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?20160; I just added 2 links in a PENDING edit to Archive.org copies of the Book Club edition, 1 from 2010, 1 from just a few weeks ago. Title has no commas on cover seen many places online, two commas on ISFDB, 1 comma on title page. I can only find club copies online so if anyone has/can find non-club copy and it only has 1 comma then all titles, regular, both editions, cover art, can be fixed to just one comma. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:56, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Helen Chen ==<br />
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https://fantlab.ru/art34256; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5727128; Someone familiar with Chinese name standardization can decide whether Mingjue is her legal name and needs to be added or whatever after my edit is approved. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:39, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== French Reeves-Stevens ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5727232; As usual when I make a rare attempt to enter a foreign edition I'm sure some improvements can be made after approval. I'll just mention that NooSFere calls artist Kopik and ISFDB has 4 credits for that name but it also has 1 for Copik so someone who knows can decide on parent and variant, although partial signature starts with C so that seems to be the real name. Also, what does that phrase on the back mean, Maquette Vaporetto? Online check seems to imply it means "steamboat sketch" but that can't be right. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:49, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Greg Reeves ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5727251; I don't think this is by Garfield Reeves-Stevens. Nothing about the opening pages in Amazon Look Inside matches anything in the 2 copies of Dark Matter by Reeves-Stevens on Archive.org. Maybe this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2563054, is really by Reeves-Stevens or maybe not. The novel, however, should be separated into a different author, I think. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:00, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== 'Publications not in a Publication Series' pages updated ==<br />
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As per {{FR|952}}, 'Show covers' and 'Show Last Year First' are now available on all 'Publications not in a Publication Series' pages. Please let me know if you run into any issues with pages like https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?17013 . [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:46, 28 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bonvissuto ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=bonvis&type=Name; I added Goodreads page (with photo) and middle name to Stephanie, added IMDB page (with 1 credit) to Steven A., and made Steve a variant of Steven A., but that S. is a mystery. No info online for the 2 story titles except the usual Locus/Philsp pages, might be Steve(n) or Stephanie, if anyone ever finds out they can make a variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:29, 29 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bebeto ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=bebeto&type=Name; They're both wrong, I think, first record should be Bebeto DarOZ, not Bebeto Dar0Z, and the other one should be the same. Publisher who PV one of them has been gone for years so no use asking; artist has a YouTube channel as Bebeto DarOZ. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:52, 29 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Merlins ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?62818; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5728318; I think that very old Merlin record with missing/wrong info can be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:22, 30 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== New yellow warning when a changed Publication date is before one of the Title dates ==<br />
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Post-submission review pages for Edit Publication submissions have been modified. If an EditPub submission changes the publication's date and the resulting date would be prior to one (or more) of the Title dates in the Contents section, the review page will display a yellow warning with a list of affected titles.<br />
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Please note that, at this time, the warning is only displayed for Edit Publication submissions. NewPubs, AddPubs and ClonePubs are currently not affected. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:50, 31 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I Purposely triggered one, very nice addition. Thanks [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:11, 31 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Glad to hear it's useful!<br />
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:: I believe this wraps up the software changes requested in April-July. Due to a number of reasons -- including the fact that Microsoft plans to stop security patches for Windows 10 in 2025 and the current version of Fixer requires Windows 10 -- I plan to concentrate on migrating Fixer to Linux, Python and MySQL as the next big project. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:27, 2 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Taurus Canada ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5721363; Am I right that like a lot of PB publishers in the 1980s, DAW Books for example, Canadian Signet editions' number lines start with 2? In other words, this is not a second printing and should be un-rejected? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:12, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Warlock of Firetop Mountain ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5730397; Some issues with this. As can be seen on the back cover, the artist is Peter Andrew Jones, not Peter Jones. Also, there's only 2 foreign editions on ISFDB that actually include the 21 numbered pages in the page count. Also, the Archive.org copy (the only FF book on the uploader's page) is messy but I think the first page would be 13-14 and the last would be 99-100 of which one of those last pages is not part of the game book, so 13-99 x 2 would be 174 pages, not 170. So if anyone owns/can get a look at the very first Puffin original edition and it says Peter Andrew Jones that would entail a bit of a nightmare because a lot of the later editions from various publishers would need to be checked to make sure they actually said Peter Jones or if they really say the full name and editors here just imported the original edition's (incorrect) artist name. First edition would also need checking to see if those first 21 pages are numbered and a manual page count would be needed to determine how many unnumbered pages there are. The artist issue arose because whoever entered the name got it from an art book and not the actual book itself, a problem which has led to many names being wrong here, of which I suspect there are many more in the FF series that will need fixing. Fun times ahead; there are hundreds of archived copies of these books. On a side note, I entered a whole bunch of fantasy illustrator photos a while back including Steve Jackson (this one and the other one from the USA who also did FF books and just coincidentally had the same name) but apparently Ian Livingstone escaped me because he has no photo so if anyone can find a good one then they can add it to his record. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:56, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: My recollection is that he was always credited as "Peter Andrew Jones" on these, and I was surprised when I saw that "Peter Jones" was recorded here as his primary name. Fighting Fantasy is pretty well documented, so it shouldn't be hard to verify this - somewhere I have a copy of [https://www.amazon.co.uk/You-Hero-Snowbooks-Fantasy-Histories/dp/1909679364 You Are The Hero] which covers this stuff, in addition to all the online references.<br />
: As for Ian Livingstone, there are loads of photos of him around, as he's pretty high profile in the UK, like [https://www.gamesindustry.biz/what-developers-can-learn-from-last-nights-the-apprentice appearing on our version of The Apprentice]. The [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Livingstone#/media/File:Ian_Livingstone.jpg Wikipedia photo] is CC BY-SA 2.0 licensed, so I assume that can be used if nothing better is found. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:19, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I decided to look at #2 in the series, The Citadel of Chaos, and added a link to a nasty raggedy copy of some Puffin edition which has no way to tell what printing it is because a bunch of pages are missing from the front (I just added link to title record), also added a link to another Puffin printing which some mysterious PV named PortofHamburg added not too long ago but he/she didn't specify the printing history so I made a best guess and added the link to that record, and also corrected page count for recent Scholastic edition from 232 to 236 using a later printing on Archive.org. So if just 2 books have so much to do there are dozens more waiting. Not to mention the umpteen Wizard reprints which I'm not even going to touch, although I may have added a few links to some of them long ago, hard to remember. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:07, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Gentlewomen of Evil ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5730762; Recent copy has a totally different back cover; possible reprint? Copyright page looks the same to me in both copies. Also, recent copy has a penciled-in date on the front flap and, just maybe, the bottom of the price barely visible above it, which contradicts the note someone wrote here which says there's no price in the book; someone else obviously got it from somewhere. So a little mystery here that someone may be able to figure out. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:25, 1 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Night SHADOWS by Mary SELLERS ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?963498; RTrace just entered this, I wasted my time tracking down the ID on BookScans and adding cover image, ISBN, and price, only for the software to tell me the URL was already on file because Rosab618 entered the book back in May but spelled the name wrong, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?949221, which is probably why RTrace couldn't find it and thought it was an unentered book. So I've cancelled my edit; the recent one should probably be deleted, Reginald ID moved over, last name corrected, and ISBN that's on top of the cover should be entered. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:02, 2 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I've essentially merged the two publication records. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:52, 2 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Great. I also replaced Cat's Amazon cover with BookScans cover which is the same except bigger, added Goodreads ID to Bayou (they call her May, not Mary) and uploaded their cover which doesn't seem to be anywhere else, and just added archived link to Gambler, which was uploaded in March. I also learned from Gambler's dedication that she's the wife of Con Sellers so I added husband/wife A| links to both of them. I also see in Con Sellers papers at USM (which mentions he married Mary Raineri in 1943) that they include most of Mary's book titles so maybe he co-wrote them without credit? EDIT: Shouldn't ISBN be added to Night Shadows? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:17, 2 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== No One Goes There Now ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5731000; As can be seen at the Archive.org links the real cover is totally different but no image can be found on Amazon, SFE, OL, FantLab, etc., so if someone wants to upload it from somewhere. Also, author's name is William Walling on title page so variant is wrong. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:52, 2 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Submission approved, author credit corrected and cover image replaced. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:41, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ralph Blum ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1794382; I added Archive.org link to UK HC of Blum's novel; there's no reason for that non-fiction book to be here because author is not "above the threshold" and book is just New Age nonsense about runes, one of many the author has written. So delete and keep the review? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:38, 2 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: If the publication is deleted as ineligible, you must remove this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?965478 REVIEW title] from [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?220685 this publication] and delete it. Then you add an ESSAY type title for the review. For example, 'Review of "The Book of Runes" by Ralph Blum' and the reviewer Paulette Minaré is the author. Often, you will see the reason an essay title is appropriate in the title. Review of the non-genre book, review of the film, etc. I suggest you allow a week for any objections. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:30, 2 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: I have deleted the one publication but do think it's best to keep the title (I've added a note): this way we don't have to undergo the change of the publication with the review. Also, we already have some only titles that way (also for awards). <br />
:: But if you think it's better to emphasize the change, that'd also be okay. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:39, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: [[User:Username|Username]]: Since it has been a week and [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] has deleted the publication, go ahead and submit the four edits I outlined above. I'll approve when I see them.<br />
::: [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]]: We have no policy provision for creating title records for ineligible publications. I'm surprised you would suggest this in a thread where I'm advising the proper treatment. Not only are you misleading this editor, but all the others who monitor the boards. If you think your method has merit, start a discussion on Rules and Standards. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:36, 9 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dating Bentley Little ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?593285; What should title date of Evil Deeds be? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:17, 3 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: If you are referring to this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?577269 title record], the date of its first appearance. 1994-05-00. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:53, 3 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mike Turner disambiguation ==<br />
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I don't "do" SFnal stuff on Facebook, but I do search for mentions of ISFDB every now and again. If there is anyone is active on FB, they might want to follow-up [https://www.facebook.com/groups/642644559492671/posts/1698367847253665/?comment_id=1698375807252869 this comment] that indicates the current Mike Turner record conflates 2 or more people. As a stopgap, I've added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?81225 an author note] to raise awareness of the issue. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:37, 4 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== IA's Worlds of Science Fiction ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5733923; PV is gone, LCCN links up to a couple of other Asimov works on LoC, cover art not credited but likely from some issue of Asimov's magazine, so if anyone knows where it came from or what to do with the LCCN. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:18, 5 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I found https://lccn.loc.gov/81101251. Since the printed LCCN is live, I left it, added this one as a second LCCN ID, and added a note about what we see printed in the archive.org copy and what we find on the LOC site today. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 06:50, 7 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Altered Ego ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5734917; It's been 13 years so nobody's rushing to replace that ragged copy; if anyone here owns it and can upload it to Archive.org so there's a complete copy that would be good, although not strictly necessary because there's an HC edition archived in 2020, too. I see a lot of Pennant copies on eBay so I don't think it's very rare. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:02, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== International Polygonics LCCN ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?180301; I just entered this publisher's edition of William O'Farrell's 1942 novel Repeat Performance and only afterwards saw LCCN on copyright page is not on LoC site; I didn't go back and remove it and add a note about it because going back sometimes erases info. I checked the dozen or so other books by the publisher on ISFDB and 1 LCCN was entered and is on their site, 1 was entered in notes as not being on their site, and the one linked above is not on their site but the previous book in the series, Nine Times Nine, is in an International Polygonics edition but hasn't been entered here (yet). 2 PV, one transient and one who has no messages on their board, so should LCCN be removed and moved to notes? Also, can someone approve my edit so I can remove and move, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:48, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Permabooks Problems ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?8005; I added an Archive.org link to Moon Pilot and noticed while it says it was originally published as Starfire in December ISFDB note gives it the date of the printing, October. Also, https://www.garysvintagebooks.com/product-page/son-of-flubber-by-walt-disney, where date is March with printing in January but ISFDB note has no month and note surmises that it was published in May or June because it comes between 2 other books with surrounding catalog numbers but likely months are wrong because some editors entered the printing date instead of the publication date. There's only 40+ Permabooks on ISFDB so this shouldn't be too hard to sort out. At least 2 active PV of Starfire, Rudam and Willem, so they may want to fix their month if that's the right thing to do. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:32, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Courtney and Triffids ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=triffids+ballantine&sort=-addeddate; Third printing (not on ISFDB) says R. Courtney on copyright page; not credited in Fawcett editions but PV of 1986 Del Rey 1st printing, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?902545, decided to just make the name the canonical name, which is wrong because it's credited as R., so I think it should be changed to R. for all editions and made a variant of Richard. Also, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?356604, where all 3 are based on signatures only (all entered by me last December), so what to do with those? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:53, 6 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ghouls ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5735718; Invalid ISBN which does get a hit on LoC and a few sites online, so a look at that would be good by whoever approves this edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:17, 7 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Tilley ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?4506; Dark Corners was on Archive.org so I added a link and then discovered the title and several story titles/dates were also wrong so I fixed everything, I think; I also imported 4 stories into Something Else because even though someone wrote a note about titles being on WorldCat they only imported a few of them. Now here's the problem: "Medical Practice" is listed as the only new story but there's another one, "Attack of the Hiccups", which is not on ISFDB or anywhere else I can find. So if someone knows/owns/can find out that would help to complete the contents. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:55, 7 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Tarth? ==<br />
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https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/dail_c_c; Just a little something I came across that someone here with connections to SFE may be able to get fixed. The last word in the title on the cover has a trailing bottom line and a middle thing that is not on the A's in "Savage" so it does say "Earth" on the cover, just printed in a fancy way. Note about "Tarth" should be changed to "Earth". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:09, 8 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:You can send feedback [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/contact.php using this form]. They're pretty responsive. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:45, 8 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Done. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:26, 8 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Wow, John Clute ("An interesting and informative exchange. The cover script is certainly eccentric, but the standard typeface announcing Chapter 22 carries the day") and David Langford ("Thanks for this suggestion. It's an interesting theory but I'm not convinced. The flourishes belong to the A in Tarth and the first letter is thus surely a T. This is confirmed in the book's text, where chapter XXII is titled in clear capitals THE SAVAGE TARTHS -- MAN'S PROGENITORS") responded in an e-mail. I see their point; Tarths are a race of beings in the book. Oh well. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:43, 14 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== W. P. Maynard ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2449000; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1133886; Different titles, different names, in case anyone can verify anything and merge or variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:56, 8 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
: It's sorted out now. Good find, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:33, 8 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dredd ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?4530; I added Archive.org links to both editions, copyright page of USA says UK came first but ISFDB has UK as second, also UK cover is actually same image as USA except with Boxtree on it, so if anyone knows where that yellow UK cover really belongs or what the real dates of the editions are let us know so they can be fixed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:34, 10 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Canadian Sheep Look Up ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5738856; Before I leave a message to PV of this edition here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30229, asking him to fix publisher and add month from their note, whose price is right? If it's printed in Canada then Canadian price should be correct, right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:48, 11 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Angels Inc. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5739007; The only photos of the actual print book I can find are on a horrible Amazon page with the smallest (100x100) photos possible; https://www.amazon.com/N-G-L-S-Robert-Author-Bliss/dp/0072298235. If anyone can find some site with properly-sized photos then the cover can be uploaded. I'm wondering why McGraw-Hill didn't publish any genre books between 1990 and 1998 according to ISFDB and then published a weirdly priced paperback like this; another odd thing is that of the 120 other books by them on ISFDB there's only one other PB, a David Hartwell anthology, but other books with the same price are classed as TP, so that might need to be changed to TP, too, and also possibly this Bliss book. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:35, 11 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Boak ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=boak&type=Name; I entered an artist named Kathy Boake for some kiddie books and while doing so noticed that these people, A. Graham Boak/Graham Boak/Gray Boak, are one and the same. So if anyone can decide what the parent name should be those can all be linked together. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:29, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== ISFDB server downtime 2023-08-12 6pm ==<br />
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The ISFDB server will be briefly unavailable due to maintenance starting at 6pm server (Eastern Daylight) time. It should be back up after 5-10 minutes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:12, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The server was back up at 6:12pm. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:18, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Brunner and Stuff ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?121; After adding many, many links to John Brunner books over the last few days I was finishing up when I noticed that there are 2 items on his page listed as anthologies that are just 2-novel doubles like the hundred or so other ones listed as omnibus. As can be seen at the link above, some of those Belmont Doubles are anthology, some omnibus, and some collection. So should those 2 Brunner anthologies be changed to omnibus and what should be the standard for the Belmonts? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:30, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:See [[:Template:PublicationFields:PubType]] for all the details, but for the cases at your link:<br />
:*Multiple short fiction by same author = collection<br />
:*Multiple short fiction by different authors = anthology<br />
:*Multiple novels = omnibus<br />
:The Brunner entries ({{T|683465|Father of Lies / Mirror Image}} & {{T|358551|The Evil That Men Do / The Purloined Planet}}) both consist of two novellas by different authors and so are correctly entered as anthologies. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:58, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Request for messages from international fans by a Chinese Hugo finalist - any interest in an ISFDB contribution? ==<br />
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This came up on [https://twitter.com/xuetingni/status/1690044002404380680 Twitter] a couple of days ago - the Chinese fan who uses the handle [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?366178 RiverFlow/河流] is planning an issue of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?70342 his fanzine Zero-G SF] which will have hand-written messages from fans around the world. There are some examples of what they've already received at the bottom of [https://www.gcores.com/articles/169458 this Chinese language webpage].<br />
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I don't participate in any sort of offline or real-world fandom, but I wondered if there'd be interest in some sort of ISFDB contribution? I was thinking of maybe a general "Hello from ISFDB" message - precise wording to be worked here on Community Portal - with some sort of collage/grid of short handwritten individual messages from ISFDB contributors. For the latter, I was thinking maybe stuff that might fit on a square-shaped Post It note e.g.:<br />
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* Your username at ISFDB<br />
* Your location(s) - city, state, country as appropriate, basically the sort of thing that gets put in author birthplace entries<br />
* Date you signed it<br />
* Possibly a short personalized message<br />
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I don't think this would be worth doing unless we have at least half-a-dozen individual contributions, preferably a dozen or more. Any interest? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 09:39, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The Twitter post says:<br />
:* If you want to send a signed, dated handwritten note in any language from anywhere in the world (but espclly Europe), wishing them well and supporting the project, email me at [snip]<br />
: I am not sure what the "project" in question is, but the ISFDB -- as an organization/project -- generally does not endorse or support other projects. We can and do ''link'' to other sites, from Wikipedia to SFE, but that doesn't mean that we support them as institutions.<br />
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: Of course, ISFDB editors -- individually or in groups -- are free to contribute to and/or support any projects they want as long as they do it as individuals.<br />
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: Based on the above, I would change "Hello from ISFDB" to "Hello from the following ISFDB editors". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:32, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Sorry for overstepping the mark. If anyone's interested in contributing to this, maybe a better venue is to email me at {anythingyoulike}@ersatzculture.com, and discuss it further there. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:09, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: No worries! The Community Portal is the best place to post announcements and it's entirely possible that some editors may want to write one or more postcards. It's all good. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:08, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ché Monro ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?367447; My old edit fixing name was finally approved and then I discovered there's 2 other records for this author, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?210757 and https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?365512, which have the same story, published within a month of each other by the same publisher, but the first name has the accent in a different place and has the ISFDB "question mark" thing after it. So 3 names, 1 story each, parent needs deciding and that 2012 story needs merging. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:47, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Sorted out. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:46, 19 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Gordon Browne ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?14029; Story likely by another guy; this page, https://www.blackgate.com/2015/11/07/fantastic-january-1962-a-retro-review/, slags off our site about it, so maybe a (I) or something should be added to author's name. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:13, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Separated out. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:48, 19 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mr. Wright ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?231886; Non-fiction should probably be by Allan Wright; Alan was an old-time illustrator. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:16, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Separated them out. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:36, 19 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Turkish Blatty ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=seytan+blatty; A Turkish (!) edition of The Exorcist got uploaded recently in case anyone fluent wants to enter it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:01, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pulphouse Dates ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?60072; Date for Landis and Frazier stories, both included in September 1991's The Best of Pulphouse, is 1991 and they are called reprints but the only entry for Issue Twelve on ISFDB is dated 1993. William F. Wu's bibliography, https://www.williamfwu.com/complete-list-of-short-fiction, has a confusing double listing for Issue Twelve, one in 1991 edited by K.K. Rusch and the other in 1993 edited by D.W. Smith, but ISFDB has them both as 1993 in Issue Twelve edited by K.K. Rusch. So I think all the original stories in Issue Twelve should really be dated 1991 unless there's something odd that I don't see. On a side note, a site named Anna's Archive uploaded several issues (#2-10 + Buried Treasures) of Pulphouse: The Hardback Magazine as PDF's. Authorized or not, they are there for research purposes in case anyone needs them; getting a real print copy of any of them is next to impossible because they were limited editions and most were bought up by collectors, so not exactly something you can find at your local library. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:51, 14 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jane Wagner(s) ? ==<br />
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I do assume that there are two different Jane Wagners' works listed under [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?185286], some by the dramaturgist & script writer, the others by a fan. Would anybody know that the two are in fact one and the same person (else, it'd be better to separate the two)? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:27, 15 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Living Dead Head ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5742916; A foreign-language book I came across, as usual fluent people can probably improve after approval. One of the links I provided includes contents page in case anyone can decipher the small story titles and enter them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:49, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Far Out ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5743690; I was going to delete the intro because it's not in the archived copy but then I noticed that the first story starts on p. 13 but there are much fewer than 12 pages preceding it so I have a suspicion that it fell out/got ripped out from this ragged ex-library copy. So if anyone owns this edition (I was surprised page numbers for stories weren't entered and even year was wrong; I assumed most of these old SF books were pretty much taken care of long ago) they can verify if intro is there and delete if it's not. I'm not sure what the "5+" in the page count was about so I removed it. No cover images in any usable places so if anyone wants to upload one they can do so although it's just the standard boring yellow Gollancz cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:22, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Smallcreep's Day ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?955909; [https://pictures.abebooks.com/inventory/22813368225_3.jpg]; Panther edition archived so I entered link and other stuff, says Peter C. on cover and title page, original Gollancz HC says Peter C. on cover but full name on title page as can be seen in photo linked above, so I'm mentioning this here because I can never remember if changing a name in one edition has a ripple effect; author's page has some info on it that might be erased (or not). Panther needs to be made a variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:03, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Publication edit accepted, Panther edition unmerged from other, and new title varianted to old. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:02, 19 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== DF Lewis ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?1187; I've been adding links to some of this dude's hundreds of stories (and there are many more in obscure genre or non-genre publications that aren't on this site) since I've always wondered how someone whose writing was so incomprehensible and sometimes downright terrible managed to get published in so many places. It goes all the way back to when I would look forward each year to the new edition of Karl Edward Wagner's Year's Best Horror Stories which sadly ended 30 years ago. He included some Lewis tales and it always annoyed me because I knew he could have picked another story that was far better (and more horrific) but he seemed to have a touch of elitism where he would include pretentious and often barely-horror stories in each edition just to show his street cred, I guess. Anyway, many of the links I've been adding mention zines that are genre but not entered here; one that came up recently was End of the Millennium which featured Lewis in several issues. The story I added a link for was in #11 from 1999, which seems logical considering the title of the zine, but I (and the mod who initially rejected my edit) couldn't find any mention of it anywhere online except on Lewis-related sites. So if anyone can find verifiable info on any issues that would be good to enter. Take a look at this, https://nullimmortalis.wordpress.com/2010/08/20/dfl-partial-bibliography/, and marvel at all those obscure publications. It's a gold mine. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:09, 17 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::I've entered many more story links recently but I thought I'd mention that when adding a link to "Dabbling With Diabelli" found at one of the author's dozens (literally) of websites I searched for a random line of the story's text on Google since that sometimes helps in finding stories online if the title is misspelled and only got one hit, https://books.google.com/books?id=4VVSsLbba9kC, so this guy actually got one of his fictions into a book of true-life tales! Unbelievable. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:39, 17 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Schwalme ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=schwalm&type=Name; These 2 Germans are probably the same person; whether one is spelled wrong originally and needs to be a variant or whether it's entered wrong here and needs fixing and merging is the question. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:59, 17 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Good find! This is in fact documented with the entry at DNB. I'll do the necessary pseudonyming. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:07, 19 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Another Dracula ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=another+dracula&type=All+Titles; 1930 publication of this title says it only appeared as a serial but there it is in one of the million Peter Haining anthologies in 1982 (with no question mark). Sadly, it's a William Kimber book, rare they are, so no archived copies. Richard Dalby site's copy doesn't help with any info that's not already here so if anyone owns it maybe they can say what the title is/if it's the full serial so it can be a variant or a merge. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:30, 18 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Feast of Laughter ==<br />
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https://www.feastoflaughter.org/; I have 4 PENDING edits replacing Google Drive links to issues 1-4 with the ones currently online but #5 apparently was never entered here. Differences between print and e. Mentioning this in case anyone feels like entering it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:38, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Yoh-Vombis ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace#Yoh-Vombis; No help there so if anyone else can help/owns a copy a response would be appreciated. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:40, 20 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Phantasmagoria ==<br />
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● Just to let people know [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?70167 Phantasmagoria] as listed on this site is really <b>Phantasmagoria Special Edition</b>. <b>Phantasmagoria</b> and <b>Phantasmagoria Special Edition</b> are two different magazines. Unless anybody minds, I’m going to have to change this soon. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 00:38, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Weir - Project Hail Mary ==<br />
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I have the {{P|914539|2022 edition}} of this title and it contains the two pages of rocket diagrams by David Lindroth (credited, as noted in similar pubs, on the copyright page as "Rocket diagrams: © David Lindroth Inc.").<br />
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Currently, Lindroth's diagrams are titled "Project Hail Mary". So far, so good, but the diagrams are titled "Thrust Configuration" at the top left of the first of the two pages. Because they <i>are</i> titled, I propose retitling {{T|2864563|this title}} as "Thrust Configuration" (no disambiguation needed). Would this be correct? Also, there doesn't seem to be any difference to warrant separation in {{T|3167979|this title}} and so it could be merged. Comments please. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 04:27, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No objection to your proposals. Seems useful and clear, and not overly burdensome for verifiers. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] ([[User talk:Markwood|talk]]) 14:43, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::[https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Regular_Titles The rules] (see Title-Artwork) state that ''Interior art should have the same title as the fiction or essay it is associated with. If it is independent of other content, and has no apparent title or caption, give it the title of the publication in which it appears, disambiguating if necessary.'' This, imo, implies that for art illustrating a piece of fiction (or is otherwise part of the story), it should get the title of the work it's associated with. Or, alternatively, if the work '''isn't''' associated with a title, and it has a title of its own, only then can it be entered using its title - but note that the rules don't actually say that explicitly. The [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:TitleFields:TitleType#INTERIORART TitleType/INTERIORART entry] says, a.o., ''If the illustration has a separate title or caption, document in the illustration's Notes field.'' The rule doesn't state that you can use it as title for the interior art.<br />
::So, per the rules the title should stay as-is - unless, you want to argue that the illustration is in no way associated with the novel?<br />
::Concerning the duplicate title, those can be merged (seems unlikely that there'd be (meaningful) differences between editions).<br />
::PS. you can always start a rules discussion over at the [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions R&S] if you'd like... Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 06:22, 22 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::''and has no apparent title or caption,'' is the qualifying part of that first sentence. That's why I wrote "Because they <i>are</i> titled". Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:05, 22 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: That qualifying part does not apply if it is not independent of other content. Since the art illustrates the novel (hence not independent) the novel's title is to be used per the first rules sentence, and the actual title added to the notes. Also, I cannot find it explicitly anywhere in the rules that the actual title of INTERIORART could be used any other circumstances. Merely, we can only infer (I think) from the rules text that when it is not related to anything in the publication, its actual title can (should) be used. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 07:49, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: <code> IF (''independent'' AND ''Has_No_title'') THEN ''Use_Pub_Title'' ELSE 'UNDEFINED'</code><br />
:::: If 'Has_No_title == FALSE (i.e. there -is- a title), we don't really know what to do, do we? Also, if 'independent' == FALSE (meaning, actually illustrating (part of) the work), we don't know what do do either, unless we're referring to the first sentence, which says:<br />
:::: <code> IF (NOT ''independent'') THEN ''Use_Pub_Title'' ELSE GOTO 'code above'</code> (with NOT ''independent'' being equivalent to 'associated') [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 08:23, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::Although it most likely could be stated more elegantly, this is what I get from my understanding of the Help (and implications) [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Regular_Titles for Artwork]; "''Interior art should have the same title as the fiction or essay it is associated with. If it is independent of other content, and has no apparent title or caption, give it the title of the publication in which it appears, disambiguating if necessary.''".<br />
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:::::There are 4 scenarios to resolve:<br />
::::::(1) Art is independent (i.e, not associated) and is not captioned.<br />
::::::(2) Art is independent (i.e, not associated) and is captioned.<br />
::::::(3) Art is not independent (i.e, is associated) and is not captioned.<br />
::::::(4) Art is not independent (i.e, is associated) and is captioned.<br />
:::::Therefore:<br />
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::::::If ''independent'' AND ''Has_No_Caption'' Then<br />
:::::::''Use_Pub_Title'' (...scenario (1))<br />
::::::Else<br />
:::::::If independent Then<br />
::::::::''Use_Caption_Title'' (...scenario (2))<br />
:::::::Else<br />
::::::::If Has_No_Caption Then<br />
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:::::There is a problem if one arrives at the last instruction and the art carries a different caption to the work it is associated with, but that's beyond our purpose here.<br />
:::::{{T|954582|Here}} {{T|3175000|and here}} is an example where a single piece of untitled artwork is used in both independent and associated contexts; as a frontispiece and embedded in a short story. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:14, 24 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::: If I'm not making an error while analyzing your logic, it boils down to: "if it has a caption, use it. In all other cases, use the associated title". Honestly, that's a simple rule, and would work for me. However, that is not what I'm reading in the current rules text. I think this warrants further discussion and clarification. Shall we move this discussion to R&S? Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 08:08, 25 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::Good idea, it would be nice to find out what the small print is :) See [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Interior_art_-_do_we_use_artwork_captions_in_the_titling.3F Interior art - do we use artwork captions in the titling]. Thanks, Kev.--[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:43, 25 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== "Achevé D'Imprimer" and "Dépôt Légal" - possible new templates ==<br />
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We have thousands of French publications which use "Achevé D'Imprimer" and "Dépôt Légal" in Notes. For example, consider [https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?874559 Aux portes de l'épouvante], which says:<br />
* Achevé D'Imprimer = None on book<br />
* Dépôt Légal = None on book<br />
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or take [https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?868799 La charnière du temps]:<br />
* Achevé D'Imprimer = Publication Date<br />
* Dépôt Légal = September 1987 (nearly matches AI)<br />
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Most of our users are presumably not familiar with these terms. How about we create simple (i.e. no parameters, just explanatory text) Notes templates of the same names explaining what they mean? Once the new templates are defined, I can create a database script to replace "Achevé D'Imprimer" and "Dépôt Légal" with <nowiki>"{{Achevé D'Imprimer}}" and "{{Dépôt Légal}}"</nowiki>. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:16, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Fine idea, which I do support! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:25, 21 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: A quick clarification to make sure that we are all on the same page. The proposal wouldn't change the way "Achevé D'Imprimer" and "Dépôt Légal" are displayed. It would only add mouse-over bubbles explaining what the terms mean. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:38, 22 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Yes. But it would be a good idea for those not knowing what those terms could possibly mean. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:55, 22 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: What about : "Achevé d'imprimer" = "printing completed on…" (note not ''all'' AIs are dated) and "Dépôt légal" = "officially registered on…" ? The "dépôt légal" also implies that the publisher is legally expected to send one or two copies of the new book to the BnF (Bibliothèque nationale de France). Furthermore, it would be necessary to explain, I think, that the date of the "dépôt légal” can differ sensibly from the printing date, as it is a purely formal business, which can easily follow the date of actual publication by a few months (I know, this happened to some of my own books…). [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] ([[User talk:Linguist|talk]]) 08:45, 23 August 2023 (EDT).<br />
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::::: Thanks for chiming in! A couple of questions to make sure that I understand the process correctly:<br />
::::: "Printing completed": Is this the date when the last copy of the print run was physically produced? In the US, the date when copies were physically produced and the date when they were "published", i.e. made available to the public, are often different. For example, the first printing of an edition may be printed in April and arrive in bookstores in May or June. Is it the same in France or are the "printing date" and the "publication date" so close as to be the same for most practical purposes?<br />
::::: "Officially registered". Can the "Dépôt légal" date precede the publication date or is it always the same as or later than the publication date? The reason I am asking is that we have come across cases where the copyright date was months or even years (!) prior to the publication date, which confused some cataloging librarians.<br />
::::: [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:25, 23 August 2rif023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: I didn't come across any case where the publication date precedes the "dépôt légal" date: the other way around does happen, though (for example, a higher printing doesn't need a new "dépôt légal"; usually the "dépôt légal" for the first printing is stated). <br />
:::::: For the publication date: this seems to correspond to the "dépôt légal" for first printings, see the modern (after, say, 2012) correspondence of "dépôt légal" and date of publication per Amazon (or/also, the stated "dépôt légal" and reported month of publication at Perrypedia for the French 'Perry Rhodan' publications). <br />
:::::: The copyright date is usually stated within French publications and is to be set apart from other dates stated. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:03, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Dominique: What I don't understand about your experience with belated deliverance of personal copies to the author(s) is that as I understand it you had personal copies sent to you much later than the stated "dépôt légal", is that right? (If so, this would not speak against the stated "dépôt légal" corresponding to the date of publication or distribution, I'd think). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 14:08, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::: On the whole the French statements for printing & legal deposit strike me to be very similar to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?613648 this (German) publication], where there are statements for the month of printing ("Printed in Germany 4/2001") as well as for the month of publication ("Deutsche Erstausgabe 6/2001") to be found (with the actual month of distributing 5/2001). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 14:38, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: Ahasuerus and Christian : Yes, “achevé d'imprimer” corresponds to the date of the last copy of the run. Printing date and publication date can be indeed very close, but there's no strict rule about it. In any case, the "dépôt légal" normally comes some time after, as the books have to exist physically to be sent to the BnF. Officially, you are supposed to send some copies within three months after publication, but that delay is not always respected, for all sorts of reasons. This is from my own experience as an occasional publisher : the "dépôt légal" date has to be printed in the book ''before'' the actual registration, which can only take place after the book is printed — and sometimes months after publication, the estimated DL date being then purely theoretical. In the case of successive reprints, some publishers indicate a new DL each time, as well as the initial one, but some dont bother, and the only way to date the book is the printing date. As for a DL preceding the AI, like Christian, I don't remember coming across the case. But the ''copyright'' (not to be confused with DL) can easily precede AI and DL : quite a few re-editions only state the initial copyright of the book, although printed years after the first publication. [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] ([[User talk:Linguist|talk]]) 05:22, 24 August 2023 (EDT).<br />
::::::: I have just met an rather interesting case in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?967543 this publication] : the DL is indicated as "à parution" (= as soon as published), honestly showing that a) the dépôt légal date cannot be stated precisely, and b) that DL should not be confused with publication date. [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] ([[User talk:Linguist|talk]]) 05:40, 24 August 2023 (EDT).<br />
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:::::::: On the other hand, I do think it's even more misleading to use the "achevé d'imprimer", as this is per definition the date of printing, not of publication. I do think that the systems of publications in France & Germany are/were very similar: first a book is printed, and a few weeks later it is distributed/published (in many cases this id the next month). The stated "dépôt légal" is in any case closer to the date of distribution/publication (and on the point for those cases mentioned above, i. e. modern Amazon & French Perry Rhodan). <br />
:::::::: Obviously, in cases where there's no "dépôt légal" (or only one belonging to an earlier printing, or a useless one, as in your example), to use the "achevé d'imprimer" is the best you can do, if you have no other dependable information at hand, but if the first is there and valid, this should be used: the publisher gives a hint when the publication is distributed. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:00, 24 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::: Thanks for the clarification, Dominique!<br />
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::::::::: Christian, please keep in mind that the immediate issue here is what the proposed mouseover bubbles should say -- as opposed to how we should use these dates to determine each publication's "publication date" as we define it.<br />
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::::::::: Based on the discussion above, I am thinking that something like the following may work:<br />
:::::::::* <nowiki>Achevé D'Imprimer</nowiki>: Date when the last copy of the print run was physically produced<br />
:::::::::* <nowiki>Dépôt Légal</nowiki>: Estimated date when this publication will be officially registered and copies will be sent to the Bibliothèque nationale de France. Some reprints may list both the original Dépôt Légal date as well as the new one while some other reprints may only list the original Dépôt Légal date.<br />
::::::::: Will this work? Also, please note that the text in mouseover bubbles is editable by ISFDB Bureaucrats, so we can easily change the wording in the future. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:49, 24 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::: Sounds good! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 22:50, 24 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) I have created two new templates. The language is similar to what I proposed above with some stylistic modifications:<br />
* <nowiki>Achevé D'Imprimer</nowiki>: Date when the last copy of the print run was physically produced<br />
* <nowiki>Dépôt Légal</nowiki>: Estimated date when this publication is supposed to be officially registered and copies sent to the Bibliothèque nationale de France. Reprints may list either both the original Dépôt Légal date and the new one or only the original Dépôt Légal date.<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?874559 Here] is an example. If everything looks OK, I can create a database script and auto-update all Notes that use "Achevé D'Imprimer" and/or "Dépôt Légal". As I mentioned earlier, we can always tweak the template language later. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:15, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: [[Help:Using_Templates_and_HTML_in_Note_Fields#Non-Linking_Templates]] has been update to included the new templates. I plan to auto-convert all occurrences of "Achevé D'Imprimer" and "Dépôt Légal" to templates once I finish my current tasks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:05, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Earlier this afternoon 5,400+ Publication Notes with "Achevé D'Imprimer" and/or "Dépôt Légal" were updated automatically. The remaining 9 were updated manually. I believe we should be all set. If you come across any issues, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:04, 3 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Best from F&SF: 12th Series ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5749433; Hey, active PV Kraang, Rtrace, Rudam, GlennMcG, should page count be upped by 1 with a note about last page being unnumbered? Because there's a full-page drawing after the last numbered page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:28, 22 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Terese N. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5750006; It's definitely Neilsen; I did a text search on Archive.org and the only other book with the misspelled name is Newton's Cannon, but I didn't change it there because there's many editions she's credited on here for that book; I did add Archive.org links to book club HC and Del Rey PB and it's Neilsen in both, with at least 1 note here mentioning (sic) for the name but entering it under her canonical name, anyway. So if anyone cares, her name will need to be changed. Also, there seem to be 2 separate map credits that may be the same, 1 uncredited and 1 with an artist named, so that's an issue, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:41, 22 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Batman Young Readers ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?1012; I added Archive.org links to all 3 and fixed/added some other stuff. What should be the standard for the titles? Either they should all start with "Batman in" or they shouldn't because Batman is the series. Which ones need fixing? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:26, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Richard Drew Publishing / Richard Drew ==<br />
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Any objection to merging [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?1278 Richard Drew] into [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?82332 Richard Drew Publishing]? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:08, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Depends on how they are listed on the title pages of the publications in question. It's possible it changed over time. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:56, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Points to consider:<br />
::* From the Publisher Field Template - "Where multiple forms of a name exist, it is not important to always enter exactly the form of the name as it appears on the book. For example, an imprint may say "A Tor Book", "Tor", "Tor Books", "Tor Books Science Fiction", or "Tor: A Tom Doherty Associates Book". Sometimes several of these varying forms will be on a single book. These can be converted to a canonical form; in this case "Tor" would be the sensible choice. The ISFDB does not currently have a page to identify and document canonical forms for publishers but may do so in the future"<br />
::* There is nothing in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?1278 these four] which supports 'Richard Drew' as the publisher. From the above referenced template - "The publisher has in the past not been a key entity in the ISFDB.", engendering little confidence in the entries. The secondary verifications , added much later, use their own canonical names. Reginald3 uses 'Richard Drew' and British Library uses 'Drew'. <br />
::* [https://archive.org/search?query=mediatype%3A%28texts%29+AND+Publisher%3A%28Richard+Drew%29 Here] are the 17 scans for Richard Drew published books currently in the internet archive. All of them show 'Richard Drew Publishing'.<br />
::I see no benefit in using both forms and 'Richard Drew Publishing' seems the most appropriate. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:56, 24 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Chandler Award? ==<br />
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It looks like we don't have an Award Type for [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandler_Award The A. Bertram Chandler Award for Outstanding Achievement in Australian Science Fiction], which is [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/chandler_award listed by SFE]. It's presented by [https://fancyclopedia.org/Australian_Science_Fiction_Foundation Australian Science Fiction Foundation], which, judging by the Web site, may be moribund as of 2023, but they kept the award going for 3 decades. Should we add it? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:01, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Seems like a good one to have recorded here. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 21:23, 23 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Hearing no objection, I created a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?111 new Award Type record] and added the awards earlier today. I also discovered that we already had almost half of the awards entered under a separate Ditmar Award category. Although usually given at the same annual Australian convention, the Ditmar award and the Chandler award are two different awards given by different people (fan-voted vs. juried), so I moved the data to the new Award Type. Hopefully everything looks OK now. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:53, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Damon Wilson ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?394521; Damon is Colin's son, I was going to add links in notes to each other but this is true-crime stuff, not really eligible on here, they wrote like a thousand of these things together, so I think book should be removed and maybe just zine review kept. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:05, 24 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I have added notes and third party URLs to the two author records. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:01, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
::So this book is eligible? Because if it is there's a whole lot of other stuff like it by them; really depressing stuff. I hope people here didn't agree at some point recently that true-crime books are eligible now for some reason because if they are there's like thousands of them; maybe this one gets by because the elder Wilson is above the threshold? On a side note, the title of this book differs from what it says on the cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:08, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Sorry, I missed that part. {{A|Colin Wilson}} is presumably "above the threshold" because he wrote a dozen SF novels and numerous books/articles about SF (like ''Science Fiction As Existentialism'') and about SF authors like Tolkien, van Vogt, David Lindsay and Lovecraft. That's why we list his non-genre books, including his non-genre non-fiction. Some of them, like ''The Book of Time'' and ''From Atlantis to the Sphinx'', are SF-adjacent but may not have been eligible if he were not "above the threshold". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:42, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Steir or Stier ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?79153; I added Archive.org link and cover image to Doubleday edition of Leonard Daventry's Twenty-One Billionth Paradox, cover artist on ISFDB is Pat Stier (probably taken from SFE since there's no PV), Pat Steir is a well-known artist who's a lady, I added an edit noting her birth name from Wiki, thing is Wiki says she was born in 1940, not 1938, so does anyone know when she was really born and also if anyone owns a jacketed copy of Paradox let us know because I've also made an edit making Stier a variant of Steir but it could be Steir in the book and SFE was just mistaken in which case it would just need to be corrected without a variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:02, 24 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Death Tour ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5751841; A curse on these ex-library copies with no jackets. If anyone has a jacketed copy let us know because it's possible "Joe Chiodo" may not be what's actually on the back flap or wherever it is (only site online I can find that mentions Chiodo and Death Tour together is something called Paperback Palette but artist is credited as Charles Chiodo which is definitely wrong because he's half of a well-known special effects team with his brother; they directed the all-time classic KILLER KLOWNS FROM OUTER SPACE in the 1980's). EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5751849; Here's a lesson in never trusting info found on a random blog. Incidentally, the blog where that wrong info came from, http://markwestwriter.blogspot.com/, is on hiatus so I hope there's nothing wrong with Mr. West. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:33, 24 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== L. Rey ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?122809; I added Archive.org link to first book, by Colin Wilson, previous book in the series said Luis Rey for the cover, this one said Louis, I made Louis a variant of Luis and made variants of Wilson book's cover art and Spock's World, too (copy on eBay), but that UK House on the Borderland eluded me. So if anyone owns it/can find it and it does say Louis then you can variant it to Luis or change it to Luis if it says that. Then the only question will be how many of the 60+ credits by Luis really say Luis and how many actually say Louis but the editor didn't notice or they did notice but just entered his regular name, anyway. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:24, 25 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Das große Buch der Märchen, Sagen und Gespenster ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=dasgrossebuchder0000unse_e5m6; While adding links to some Franz Rottensteiner books I saw this one which doesn't seem to be here in case anyone German-fluent would like to enter it; it has a good selection of stories. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:52, 25 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Polish ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?21549; A while back I went on a long run of adding cover images and artist/author photos to books from Poland using FantLab mostly; today I accidentally stumbled on 2 more photos of Kiwerski and Kacperek and added those (plus a lot of other stuff for Kiwerski). I noticed that the above-linked publisher has very few images added, for example the 58 non-series books have a grand total of 10 images, so anyone more familiar than me with the language may want to work on this. Some of them seem to be on Google Books. A guy whose name escapes me right now was adding a lot of stuff years before I started editing, his name kept popping up as PV, but either he quit or passed on or something because a lot of his books were left unfinished with stuff missing. EDIT: Don't bother doing what I did and try to find images on Amazon by entering a search for a book's ISBN without the dashes; I tried several and got nothing except the usual car parts for sale that happen to have an ID number that matches the book or a bunch of scantily-dressed ladies on some sketchy site that offers "dates" and identifies each woman by a number, I suppose. I've seen more of those over the last few years than I can count and many of them I wish I didn't see. EDIT: I came across this, https://fantlab.ru/edition207519, which doesn't seem to be on ISFDB and is certainly genre-related. FantLab's note says it's the second English issue so there's an earlier one (not on FantLab) plus an unknown number in Polish. EDIT: Surprisingly there are only 5 publishers on ISFDB with Poland in their name but there's all sorts of stuff still to be done for them. A quick check reveals that 1) the missing cover art credit for one of Empire's Who books is a re-arranged version of the 1991 Target / Virgin English edition by Alister Pearson, 2) the Jaguar books include 5 TP and 2 PB so likely the PB should be TP, too, and Time*Out is missing cover image which is likely the same as the other editions, plus last 3 books are missing cover artists, 3) Phantom has 5 TP and 3 PB so likely the PB should be TP, too, and Card's book is missing cover image, and the 2 books with prices were entered differently (00 at the end of one of them), plus Poland was misspelled as Polan in the publisher note, 4) four of the seven Solaris books are missing cover artists and one that has an artist has an unknown format, 5) Victoria book is missing cover, searching for ISBN without dashes in Google Images only finds half-naked escort photos but I think this, https://polter.pl/ksiazki/Rozanooka-n19312, might be the right image. I'm sure I missed a few things. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:38, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Analog Yearbook ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2550; This is the only one in the series without a cover artist, note says there's no signature but I think there is, lower right corner, tried several legit (?) image enlargers online but didn't really help, someone else here may be able to identify it. I also added Archive.org links and a few other things to a whole bunch of Analog anthologies by Stanley Schmidt. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 02:02, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Server downtime - 2023-08-26 at 3pm ==<br />
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The server will be unavailable between 3pm and 3:05pm server (Daylight Saving) time. One of the temporary Wiki tables keeps growing and needs to be periodically reset before the server runs out of disk space. I am still looking for a permanent solution. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:19, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Hitler's Crystal ==<br />
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https://openlibrary.org/works/OL20092886W/Predator?edition=key%3A/books/OL27272937M; For some reason the image for Predator shows 4 covers; one looks like a thriller with a gun, one's a romance novel, but that other one ... please let it be real. Online search only finds it on lpbooks.com (Lion & Phoenix), calls it #2 in the DimeNovel series. Otherwise, very little info. I know that company was shady and didn't pay their authors but some books were still published. If anyone can find proof of the Hitler book (and assuming it's genre) let us know. A text search for publisher and title/author and title on Archive.org both only found 1 hit, a mention in a 1992 issue of Science Fiction Chronicle which also mentions a few other titles not on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:00, 26 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dark Star ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5753574; Only after I entered my edit did I notice that someone had written a price note of their own. Since this was published by an American company the $ price should be the one entered, I think, but what should be done with the UK note? Just erase it or leave it with an added "British price was" note or something similar? EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?92985; artist and essay/review writer are 2 different people. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:40, 27 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Add to the notes something along the lines of "British price of 7/6 from British Science-Fiction Bibliography", hence no information gets lost. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 07:10, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Uncle Stephen ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1028679; I added FantLab cover (cover image doesn't seem to be in very many places online for some reason) to first Tartarus record which was entered in the very early days of public editing here, but the Fixer robot entered the same book from Amazon in 2019. Page count is more accurate in the first record with Roman numerals but later record does include the day, so should second record be deleted and day of publication added to date of first record? Also, ISBN aren't exactly the same so maybe that's why the robot thought the book had never been entered. Sorry, Skynet. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:51, 28 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== FortuneCity ==<br />
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https://fanlore.org/wiki/List_of_FortuneCity_Fansites; This link may be useful; it contains much genre-related material. Whoever compiled this huge thing deserves a medal. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:00, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== This Incredible Adventure ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270570; I corrected someone's cover artist entry for The Apes by Eden Phillpotts from D. Burrouches to Dorothy Burroughes as it says on SFE; weird font in cover signature fooled someone into seeing the G as a C. Book I linked above is the only other credit here that's probably by her but there's no E in her last name, info such as cover image, etc., is scarce online, so if anyone can get an image or a flap or something either it will have name with an E and can be corrected or it won't and it'll be a variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:59, 30 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ace Fantasy ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5758148; It really says Ace Fantasy Books on title page and there are 100+ entries on ISFDB by that name. Should it really be separate or changed to just Ace Books? Should this book and the original edition (and possibly the later one if they were still using Ace Fantasy then) be Ace Books? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:46, 31 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Saltflower ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=saltflower; German edition in case anyone fluent wants to enter it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:19, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Okay [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?968760 here it is]. But, since I don't know German either, somebody is going to have translate the translator. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 03:37, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Day It Rained Forever ==<br />
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https://www.existentialennui.com/2017/11/science-fiction-beautiful-british-book.html; I was adding Archive.org links and some other stuff to 3 different editions of Bradbury's British book (2 Penguins and a Roc), and I noticed that the original Hart-Davis has a note about some reference work having the price as 18/-, and as can be seen in the photo at the link above it is 18/-; however, the first Hart-Davis book with a price that high was about 10 years later, so I believe it might be a later printing. So if anyone knows they can do something with that, maybe another record can be created. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:36, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jan B. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=breug&type=Name; Both named Jan are on front page ("died"), they're the same person, yes? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:48, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Alternate name established. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:04, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Welcome to the Silent Zone ==<br />
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● I just put [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3222249 Welcome to the Silent Zone] on this site, but the copywrite page states that this is a translation (Hungarian?), but I can’t find the possible original anywhere. Anybody got any ideas? [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 21:14, 1 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dell 2nd Printing ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5759600; This one's annoying me because every copy on picclick/ebay is first printing; anyone own second printing so date can be fixed if it needs to be? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:29, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Temps Morts ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=temps-morts+maxim; I was doing a bunch of John R. Maxim edits and saw that the French translation of Time Out of Mind is on ISFDB only as part of an anthology, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?759828, but here, https://archive.org/search?query=temps-morts+maxim, are 2 editions with different names on their covers, one with the American/British HC art and the other apparently with original art, in case anyone fluent wants to enter those. Also, I thought it was funny that the only other work on ISFDB with the same title is a translation of Orson Scott Card's "Closing the Timelid"; I guess timelid has no meaning in French. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:31, 3 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Woman Who Married a Cloud ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1366097; https://archive.org/search?query=%22Married+a+Cloud%22; No English archived copies but I found a Polish (?) one in case anyone fluent wants to enter it so at least people who speak the language can read the stories. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:18, 3 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Pawel M. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=pawel+mar&type=Name; Same guy, probably, one has the little question mark thing at the end of his name, one doesn't. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:39, 3 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Alternate name created. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:24, 4 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Peter Cartur/Roger Flint Young/Peter Grainger/Forrest J. Ackerman ==<br />
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I submitted an edit to the page on Peter Grainger, where it reads:<br />
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Note that ISFDB lists Peter Cartur as a pseudonym for Peter Grainger. However, the copyright/acknowledgments for Fifty Short Science Fiction <br />
Tales includes:<br />
Peter Cartur The Mist. Copyright 1952 by Fantasy House, Inc. Reprinted by permission of Forrest J. Ackerman.<br />
Usually something like this would indicate that Peter Cartur is a pseudonym as copyrights need to be filed under the author's real name. It's <br />
not known if Forrest J. Ackerman bought the rights to this story or if Peter Cartur is one of Forrest J. Ackerman's pseudonyms.<br />
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Peter Cartur is not a pseudonym of Forrest J. Ackerman. Ackerman was Peter Grainger's agent, which is why he gave permission for reprinting "The Mist". (Note that the copyright, at that time, was held by Fantasy House, the publishers of F&SF where it first appeared.)<br />
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One of my sources for the assertion that "Peter Cartur" is a pseudonym of Peter Grainger, and not a pseudonym of Forrest J. Ackerman? A man named ... Forrest J. Ackerman.<br />
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I had earlier found a fanzine reference in the early 1950s in which Ackerman listed Grainger, Cartur, and Roger Flint Young among his clients. But I have found a better thing: an obituary by Ackerman for Peter Grainger, in the May 1974 issue of the fanzine Luna Monthly (#52). It's on page 8, and can be seen in full here: https://www.fanac.org/fanzines/Luna/Luna52.pdf<br />
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Here's the text of the obituary:<br />
"3 authors, 1 fan, killed simultaneously. The news is greatly delayed in being made public but late in 1971 fan Peter Grainger, probably in his early 60s, a fan who at one time had one of the greatest collections of all pulp magazines (in addition to sf and fantasy), was killed by a drunken driver. <br />
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With him died Peter Cartur (“The Mist,” F&SF, and “Nor Moon by Night,” Famous Fantastic Mysteries); Max Dancey (“Two-Way Stretch,” F&SF; “Me Feel Good,” Orbit SF; and “The Loneliest Town,” Fantastic Universe); and Roger Flint Young (“Forbidden Fruit,” Amazing; “Inoculation,” Fantastic Adventures; and “Suburban Frontiers” and “Not to be Opened—” in Astounding). All three authors were pseudonyms of Grainger. He last appeared in Perry Rhodan 38 as Max Dancey in collaboration with G. Gordon Dewey with “The Keknij Escape.” <br />
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Mild mannered, soft spoken, wry humored, he never made waves in the sf field, keeping to himself and a small circle of friends, operating a secondhand book and magazine shop, as far as I know, at the end of his life. I was glad to have been his friend, gratified to have been his agent, infuriated by the way he lost his life. -- Forry Ackerman" {{Unsigned2|11:49, September 4, 2023|Hortonwho13}}<br />
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== Angel(a) Arnet ==<br />
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I just added 1968 Stein and Day American edition to Elizabeth Walter's The Sin-Eater and design is by Angel Arnet, who has a credit on ISFDB for a Keith Laumer book, but an Angela Arnet has a credit for a Robert Silverberg book. So if anyone knows what her real name was one can be made a variant of the other, although she seems to be credited for design (even though art style is similar for all so she probably did art), which I put in the note for Sin-Eater, so maybe her name doesn't even really belong in cover art for those other 2 and should be moved to notes, also. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:55, 4 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== To Do List ==<br />
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I'm not doing any editing from Labor Day to October 1 (Halloween Season!) but if I come across anything I think needs looking into I'll mention it in this thread and maybe someone will help.<br />
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1) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?72190; Al Sarrantonio's "The Dust" is not the same as "Dust" and should be unmerged. I own the anthology Death, which is not on Archive.org, but "The Dust" was reprinted in 100 Hair-Raising Little Horror Stories which does have at least one archived link; "Dust" is from Quietly now, a very limited edition anthology from Borderlands Press which is almost impossible to find, but it was reprinted in a later collection of his which also has an archived link. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:43, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I have checked two pubs in my collection and confirmed that they are different stories. Unmerged and updated. Thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:20, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks. Will the variant for "Dust" go away after the site is updated or does that need doing manually? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:14, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: My bad; fixed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:22, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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2) On this list, https://wfc2023.org/in-memorium/, the following have not been updated on ISFDB with their date of death in 2022: Jill Pinkwater, Jay Wilburn, Ned Dameron, Henry Morrison, Sue Strong Hassler, Erik Arthur, Jay Faulkner. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:44, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Eleven author records updated, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:06, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks. https://news.ansible.uk/a425.html also mentions the death of Erik Arthur in case you were looking for extra info before adding his date. EDIT: I see Michel Bühler at the Ansible link also doesn't have a death date here so others on the list probably don't have a date, either. EDIT: I did a quick check and Bühler actually seems to be the only one; not sure why he wasn't on the other memoriam list (not considered important enough to the genre, I guess). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:21, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Arthur was entered some time ago, Bühler was just entered by Username using Bühler's Wikipedia page (thanks, me). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:56, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
3) Amazingstories.com, In Memoriam Those We Have Lost in 2022: "Fan John E. Ferraro (b.1952) died on January 13. John was an active convention attendee and helped run conventions in the Chicago and Milwaukee areas." Probably this guy, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?205939. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:54, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Here's [https://amazingstories.com/2023/01/in-memoriam-those-we-have-lost-in-2022/ the link] to the referenced post. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:40, 6 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Ferraro was entered some time ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:57, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
4) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?33619; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jenkins_(author); Author of book died but it doesn't really belong here, I believe, because it's just about dinosaurs with no genre content. Also, short stories are by a different guy, https://www.amazon.com.be/-/en/Steven-Jenkins/dp/0993283659; Dark Moon Digest where they appeared is mentioned in his bio. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:12, 5 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Differentiated the authors; I'd also think the dinosaur nonfiction shouldn't be here, are there more opinion? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:53, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Book does not belong here, I deleted hundreds of these years ago in a cleanup. Will remove this one to.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 15:49, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
5) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?112614; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Swann. Saw he died while perusing the necrology in an old Best New Horror volume. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:08, 6 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Swann was just entered by Username using Swann's Wikipedia page (thanks, me). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:04, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
6) https://archive.org/details/science-fiction-conventions; I've added a few links recently to random volumes from this collection uploaded last year if there was something in them that was related to something else I happened to be editing but there's hundreds of others and I'm not big on old SF. If anyone's interested in adding more links or verifying and fixing any info they're there; you never know when they might be gone. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:20, 6 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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7) On this page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Horror_fiction_awards, there seem to be 2 literary awards not on ISFDB, Gaylactic and Nocte. Only mention in a note search on ISFDB for the former is Queer Fear II, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?342199, while Nocte is mentioned here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?665268, and here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2368403, although another award, Premio Ignotus, is mentioned so there seems to be some confusion. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:38, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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8) https://archive.org/search?query=george+martin+game-of-thrones&sort=title&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22; With the Game of Thrones spinoff Snow coming soon, supposedly, I did a search for author/title and got the page linked above. There's all sorts of stuff from various English-language editions to foreign editions to coloring books and puzzle books plus some non-fiction about the series. Many of those copies could be useful in fleshing out what's already here and possibly some aren't even here at all. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:43, 7 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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9) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=sailing&type=Name; Jasmine linked bio on her page refers to her 2 children and one of them is Amara so something should be added to their notes to detail the mother-daughter relationship. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:50, 8 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Relationship added, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:05, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
10) https://archive.org/details/friendsofthesanfranciscopubliclibrary?query=%22perry+rhodan%22&sin=TXT&sort=title; Big assortment of Perry Rhodan books. Text search was necessary because several were misidentified as electronic or video recordings or by ISBN instead of title; I count 43 Rhodan books. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:51, 8 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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11) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?20806; https://www.cunninghamfuneralhome.net/obituary/lee-moler/; Moler died several years ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:11, 9 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Author record updated, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:54, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
12) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?141950; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?500568; I think signature is "LeCroix 77". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:26, 10 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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13) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?16483; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?16572; They're the same person. Variant needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:03, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Alternate name established, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:46, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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14) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?532102; https://archive.org/search?query=blue-streak+medusa&sort=-addeddate; A Whitman sampler of editions of this book; as someone's note says it's hard to say which of the multiple printings these are, all just say 1946 on copyright page, one has no cover and the other 2 may have the same color cover, it's hard to tell because one of them is old and faded, if any experts can identify by gutter code or something similar they can add links if they want to. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:14, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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15) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=hucken&type=Name; Which is parent and which is variant? The 1974 name is actually entered wrong, https://archive.org/details/Burroughs_Bulletin_034_1974_LauraS_FIXED/page/n14/mode/1up, so his real name needs verifying. EDIT: Title is wrong, too; it's Torquasian. EDIT: https://archive.org/search?query=burroughs-bulletin&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22collection%22; I'm going to assume there are other mistakes throughout the various issues so this collection may help in fixing some of those. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:45, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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16) https://main.pemmi-con.ca/sf/in-memoriam/; People with no 2022 death date entered here: Celia Correas de Zapata, Drew Ford, Martin Barker. The Stephen Smith mentioned in the list may or may not be one of these Smiths, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?34578, and Kevin Barrett might be this guy, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?8563. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:16, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Username just entered Zapata and Barker using their Wikipedia pages (thanks, me). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:15, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
17) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=wojtow&type=Name; First 2 guys are almost certainly the same people as are the last 2 guys. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:22, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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18) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?1038; Someone's been adding recent issues of Nightmare Abbey from this publisher (there's also a one-off here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?662703). Almost all of their publications were PV by Thosengl who is almost certainly the owner, Tom English, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?127469, but he was a little shaky judging by the numerous corrections mods had to make to his edits. He hasn't been around for years (and for some reason at least 1 of his PV is by Thosengl7 who has a separate page here) and there are no copies of any of these books on Archive.org (must be a very small press) so if anyone owns anything maybe they can add/fix, in particular the series issue with 3 separate series names which almost certainly are the same. The first one, Literary Vampire, clearly says The Literary Vampire Series on the cover but "the" and "series" are in different sizes than the rest so maybe that's what led to the confusion. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:59, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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19) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?13861; Someone's recently been adding edits for Keyhoe UFO books which seems a waste of time because he's probably not above-the-threshold and those books are likely going to be removed eventually. The Perma Star one linked above should probably be removed but more importantly while searching text on Archive.org for Permabooks and Perma Star together a Simak book came up, https://archive.org/search?query=%22permabooks%22+%22perma+star%22&sin=TXT, so publisher for that edition, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?149901, should probably be Perma Star, too. Either that or Clarke book's publisher should be changed to Perma Books and Perma Star added as an imprint to both. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:32, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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20) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2447743; Jugement is probably wrong but Wiki titles it Judgment or Judgement depending on where you look, so real title needs verifying. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:36, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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21) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?334653; On the slim chance anyone owns this issue I find it hard to believe that movie review is really titled Mad MARX and not Mad MAX. I picture Groucho in the Thunderdome smoking a cigar while fighting Master Blaster. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:23, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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22) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1772293; Title of first story is wrong, it's "Pudgygate", Rusch offered it for free on her site kriswrites.com in 2011 (archived link is still working; she offered it a few times since but those don't have the text of the story anymore) and the 1995 anthology it came from, Cat Crimes Takes a Vacation, is on Archive.org. Also, Amazon preview identifies cover artist as Mega 11/Dreamstime (not sure about the first part, the font is kind of weird, might be II); problem is Dreamstime has many credits on ISFDB, some with a space separating the co-artist, some without, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=dreamstime&type=Name, so which is correct should probably be decided and wrong ones fixed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:24, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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23) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?107565; Lawrence R. Dagstine recently created a page here so I left him a message asking if he can provide info for his 2004 collection which is very sparse here and elsewhere online. While researching him I found this, https://lawrencedagstine.com/2007/07/16/kinships-7-now-available-final-issue/. The Nova credit is on ISFDB, Silverthought is a publisher that had a fiction section at their online site years ago, but Kinships was a print magazine, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?62884, that only has #1 and a later issue entered here. Both issues have a weird web link in their title records but the page on Dagstine's site has another link on Tripod which is still mentioned a few times online but the actual site is gone except in the archived version that doesn't seem to mention the final issue. So if anyone can actually find somewhere that mentions contents of #7 or any of the other issues those can be entered here. Typing "bibliography" and "Kinships Magazine" online only found 1 author site, https://jamesdorrwriter.wordpress.com/bibliography-1-short-fiction-3/, which mentions a story not on ISFDB and has a May 2002 date but doesn't mention what issue that was. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:52, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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24) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=horror+of+oz&type=All+Titles; Craftlove was a pseudonym of Karr. Also, Fancyclopedia and her bio on Amazon say she wrote as Gregory Remington who has a story here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?13994, so that's likely by her, too. She also has no photo on ISFDB and her Wiki (which only has 1 small not-so-good photo) says her last name was shortened to Karr but doesn't say if that was done legally; if not, her original last name, Karmilowicz, should be her legal name. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:57, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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25) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=stinson&type=Name; J. G., Jan, Janine G., and Janine are all likely the same person; also, artist just named Stinson is almost certainly Paul Stinson who did other Leisure covers in the same style. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:38, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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26) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?326338; http://andrewdarlington.blogspot.com/2020/03/science-fiction-magazine-dream-science.html; Author of "The Eighth Room" is credited as S. M. Baxter, not Stephen M. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:56, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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27) http://www.ravenelectrick.com/ravenswriters/index.htm; This page and the 2 other writer pages linked at the bottom of it contain photos for most of the authors and most of them have no photos on ISFDB so anyone who likes uploading author images here can get a lot from those 3 pages. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:27, 17 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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28) https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?146553; http://wormwoodiana.blogspot.com/2021/02/rip-jeffrey-dempsey-1959-2021.html; He died a few years ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:15, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Dempsey was just entered by Username using Wormwoodiana blog post (thanks, me). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:09, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Erotic Fantasy & Science Fiction Selections ==<br />
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● What I would like to know is <i>Erotic Fantasy & Science Fiction Selections</i>; an anthology series, as seen [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?681090 here] or is it a publication series, as seen [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?11896 here]?. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 01:38, 6 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: They all seem to be unique compilations so I would go with a title series personally but either way works... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:55, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== DAW Books as an imprint ==<br />
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DAW Books was acquired by Astra Publishing House in July 2022. As a result, DAW Books is now an imprint of Astra Publishing House. I'm not sure when the DAW titles started having the imprint information on their copyright pages. I have started using the publisher [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?80940 DAW Books / Astra Publishing House] for new works since that data is on the copyright page. However, the title pages still show only DAW Books. In addition, using Amazon Look-inside, I see that at least some of the ebooks published by DAW as an independent entity have had their copyright pages updated to show "DAW Books" [over] "An imprint of Astra Publishing House". Should I still just use DAW Books for continuity? If I need to make changes, there are only 6 publications to change. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 10:10, 6 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Unless there isn't any publisher information on the title page, we should be going with what's on the title page. Anything else should be added as a note. At least that's been general practice for a long time. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:34, 6 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK. I'll change the 6 publications. I'm the sole PV for two of them anyway. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 12:58, 6 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::If I may, you're emphasizing "we should be going with what's on the title page. Anything else should be added as a note.".<br />
:::The [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Publisher Help screen for Publisher] states "Use the official statement of publication where you can.". The official statement of publication is the copyright page. Yes/no? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:31, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Looking at the totality of [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Publisher]], I note that it gives editors a lot of flexibility, e.g.:<br />
::::* Imprints are '''often''' a suitable choice since they may be genre specific. A good rule of thumb is to choose a publisher name that would not surprise the reader; thus "Del Rey Books" is a better choice for that imprint than "Ballantine Books", even though Del Rey was in fact an imprint of Ballantine, because Del Rey's imprint is the prominent label on the cover of those books, whereas "Ballantine" appears only in small print at best. However, if both an imprint and a publisher are listed, and particularly if both are known for publishing genre fiction, '''consider''' listing both. For example "Del Rey / Ballantine" may be an even better choice than either "Del Rey Books" or "Ballantine Books". [emphasis added]<br />
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::::* Where multiple forms of a name exist, it is not important to always enter exactly the form of the name as it appears on the book. For example, an imprint may say "A Tor Book", "Tor", "Tor Books", "Tor Books Science Fiction", or "Tor: A Tom Doherty Associates Book". Sometimes several of these varying forms will be on a single book. These can be converted to a canonical form; in this case "Tor" would be the sensible choice.<br />
:::: I haven't done much work on imprints the last few years, so I am not up to speed on what the current practices in this area are. If we could get other experienced editors' takes on this, we may be able to update Help to be more specific. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:55, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Nude French Alien ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?500568; I added to my "To Do List" thread with what I think is the cover artist but looking at edit history it was Hauck who entered the notes and he's one of those who wants nothing more to do with ISFDB so it's very unlikely he's going to respond; I'm adding this separate message so maybe someone else, possibly Stonecreek who added to Hauck's edits, will agree and enter the artist. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?500843; https://memoriasfc.blogspot.com/2013/08/toxicofuturis-une-anthologie-de-michel.html; Maybe someone can determine signature and enter artist. Also, Hauck seems to have misspelled "signature" a bunch of times, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/note_search_results.cgi?OPERATOR=contains&NOTE_VALUE=siganture, so if anyone wants to they can fix those. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:47, 10 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== 2023-09-11 performance issues ==<br />
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The site is very slow at the moment due to hundreds of simultaneous requests apparently coming from robot accounts. I am investigating. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:33, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: It looks like it's over for now. Checking the list of IP addresses that were part of the attack, I see that a lot of them come from multiple countries, including multiple Chinese provinces, which means that the attack was at least somewhat sophisticated. Perhaps they were looking for software vulnerabilities. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:48, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Plan 9 ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_ctype&O_2=exact&TERM_2=NONFICTION&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=contains&TERM_3=UFO&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication]; [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_ctype&O_2=exact&TERM_2=&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=contains&TERM_3=flying+object&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication]; [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_ctype&O_2=exact&TERM_2=NONFICTION&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=contains&TERM_3=flying+saucer&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication]; ; After seeing that someone has been making edits for some UFO books I thought I'd search for non-fiction books with related search terms in their titles to make it easier to get rid of them and just leave the reviews, if any, although a few are by above-the-threshold authors and likely can be justified in being here. There are many others that don't have any of those terms but this will be a good start. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:45, 11 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Night Visions 4 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?257996; I thought this was interesting. I was looking at "My Primary Verifications with Possibly Unstable "/G/" Amazon URLs" and I only have 2; The Rage by Jack Ramsay and the above title. While looking for a replacement cover I noticed that some photos have the price/publisher info on the middle left like my copy and this photo, https://openlibrary.org/books/OL7502962M/Night_Visions_4_Hardshell, but others have the info on the lower left. Turns out they reprinted it at least once, https://www.etsy.com/listing/990058853/hardshell-aka-night-visions-4-paperback, note 2nd printing number line on copyright page, and oddly the Canadian price is lower (4.95) than the first (5.25). They also removed/moved some of the text on the cover. So does anyone own a copy who can check what printing they have? If you have the 2nd (or later, possibly) that can be entered and PV. You never know if they shifted the pages around, too, but only a full copy can verify that. EDIT: ISBN is also different; I left a note on Collecting Koontz's Twitter notifying them of this; they only list 1st printing and got the date wrong (1998 instead of 1988). EDIT: I just saw that way back in 2011 someone did enter what I assume is the 2nd printing, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?865302, although they didn't leave any notes about that or how they arrived at the 1990 date. I'm uploading a cover that matches my 1st printing so this other one needs a cover, too, and cover artist imported since it's the same image as the 1st. No page numbers so someone with a copy will still have to verify and enter those. EDIT: I tweeted Collecting Koontz site and got a reply thanking me and saying they fixed the date. I forgot to tell them they misspelled the title, too, as "Hardhsell", so hopefully they'll catch that and fix it; kind of hard to tell because links to the site seem to be on separate pages so they may fix it on one but not the other(s). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:06, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== 2023-09-12 performance issues ==<br />
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The malicious robots from yesterday are back as of 12:30pm server time and hammering the site, which is causing slow response times. I am monitoring the situation and will be looking into countermeasures. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:34, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== 2023-09-12 server downtime at 2:15pm ==<br />
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The server will be down for maintenance between 2:15pm and 2:25pm server (Eastern Daylight) time. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:58, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: We are back up. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:24, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Slow performance ==<br />
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Is there something going on with the server? The performance is currently pretty slow. It's taking over 10 seconds to load pages that normally load almost instantly. It's happening on both the main database and the wiki. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 22:39, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It's fine this morning. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 10:06, 13 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Our hosting company, Nexcess, had issues across multiple servers on 2023-09-13 -- see https://status.nexcess.net/ for details. They appear to have been resolved. Knock on wood. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:12, 13 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Clearly I wasn't knocking on the right kind of wood. The server is once again experiencing problems. Contacting Al. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:14, 13 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: The server is still experiencing massive issues. There is no ETA at this time. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:48, 13 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: As of 5am server time, response times are back to normal. However, since we haven't resolved the underlying problems, there is no guarantee that we won't see more issues later today. We are still looking into it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 05:25, 14 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== After Hours ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?28067; After Hours was a horror magazine that ran from 1989-1995. I checked all 25 issues on ISFDB and none of them have interior art credits and none are PV so it wouldn't need checking with anyone else to add those credits which seem to always be on the contents page in the issues I've seen online. There's also the thing of having to change starting page numbers by 1 for those stories that begin with an illustration and a lot of the stories don't have lengths because editors likely added contents for most or all of the issues from Locus/Philsp and they call very short stories vi, meaning vignette, and those often are not given lengths here. There are some issues on eBay, a couple of issues on Richard Dalby's site (in the usual broken fashion for that site only one comes up when you search there, both show up when you search on Google), and I'm sure others are elsewhere (maybe a few people here actually own some issues). So if anyone wants to a lot of art credits, some by major artists, can be entered. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:32, 15 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Down On the Farm ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive50#Stchur; RTrace just added Reginald stuff to Paddywhack, Stchur's novel about a BULLDOG FROM HELL, but questions still remain about his first novel. The 12-photo eBay copy mentioned in my old message linked above seems to be gone but there are a few others currently available. I'd still like to know who did that cool art, but I also noticed that the name on the title page of the HC is actually J. W. Stchur so book's name and title name need adjusting; whether PB uses John or not is unknown because there don't seem to be any photos of the title page online. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:53, 16 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Entering short story and essay entries within my own Author page ==<br />
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Hi. I've searched Help and cannot find guidance for:<br />
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For my own Author page, how to enter a short story I've had published in an anthology or an essay I've had published in a magazine.<br />
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I'm hoping I don't have to enter the entire anthology itself. I just want my story to appear on my page.<br />
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Thanks in advance.<br />
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Jim <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Jamesnemeth|Jamesnemeth]] ([[User talk:Jamesnemeth|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jamesnemeth|contribs]]) .</small><br />
:The ISFDB is a publication based database. So yes, to have a story listed, the publication it appeared in needs to be entered. You can read [[:Help:Screen:NewPub]] if you wish to try entering the publication yourself. Or you can provide information on them here and someone may be willing to enter them. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:02, 17 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wditing - Tess Gerritsen ==<br />
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Hello, I kindly notice a possible review for the Author name "Tess Gerritsen".<br />
The real legal name should be "Terry Tom" (name and surname respectively). Tom is the maiden surname and Gerritsen is the husband's surname (as she get married with Jacob Gerritsen). Her children names: Josh Gerritsen (a filmmaker) and Adam Gerritsen; Her parents names: Ernest Tom and Jui Chiung Tom.<br />
She changed his name from "Terry" to "Tess" to use a name that sounded too masculine more feminine, already at the beginning of her writer career, as she personally told in some public interview.<br />
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«My real name isn’t Tess, but Terry.<br />
[...] I never really meant “Tess” as a secret identity. I took on the name way back when my first romance novel, CALL AFTER MIDNIGHT, was about to be published. Since “Terry” was considered a masculine spelling, my editor was concerned that readers might think the author was a man — and romance readers want books written by women. [...]<br />
TT would indeed be my first and middle names. (I use my maiden name, “Tom” for my middle name.)»<br />
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Sources: <br />
- Wikipedia Italian author page: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tess_Gerritsen<br />
- imdb-personal info (as "Terry Gerritsen): https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2446740/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0<br />
- Interview: https://web.archive.org/web/20140221161847/http://www.tessgerritsen.com/writers-and-secret-identities/<br />
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So I kindly ask, if it correct to modify just the legal name in "Terry Tom, adding it in the database, together with her author bame Tess Gerritsen (always used).<br />
Thank you for a feedback about and possible update.<br />
Fantacollector <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Fantacollector|Fantacollector]] ([[User talk:Fantacollector|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Fantacollector|contribs]]) .</small><br />
:I updated the legal name to "Gerritsen, Terry" as per SFE3 and en.wikipedia. For it.wikipedia, it says "born Terry Tom", not that Tom is her current legal last name. In the US, women frequently change their legal last name when married. Given the other sources, we will have to go with the assumption that is what happened here unless you have a clearer source that her current legal last name remains Tom. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:10, 17 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== New 4-volume Gollancz Collected Stories of PKD ==<br />
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Last week Gollancz put out the first 2 volumes of a "The Collected Stories of PKD" series, which I entered [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3216739 here] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3222839 here]. Out of a somewhat Dickian sense of paranoia, I didn't clone the contents of the existing volumes 1 and 2, or variant to them, in case these new ones didn't match, and it turns out those suspicions were justified.<br />
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It looks like that original 5-volume series is being split into 4 volumes. The first of the new volumes has all the stories from the old volume 1, plus the first four stories from the old volume 2. The new volume 2 picks up from the old volume 2, and additionally has a dozen-or-so stories from the old volume 3. There are volumes 3 and 4 scheduled for the end of October, which will presumably cover all the remaining stories from the old 5-volume series.<br />
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Given that all this is a recipe for confusion, does anyone have any thoughts on how to record these. Varianting them to the old volumes doesn't seem to make any sense, because the middle two don't closely match the old volumes 2-4. Maybe having a new (sub?)series called something like "The Collected Stories of Philip K. Dick (Gollancz, 2023)" might be the best way of avoiding mixing them up with the old volumes? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:53, 17 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:I added Archive.org links to most (I think one was missing) of the Subterranean Press editions of his collected stories not too long ago so I thought I'd check to see what's there now and there is a British edition, https://archive.org/search?query=collected-stories+wub&sort=-addeddate. The only HarperCollins edition on ISFDB seems to be the same one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?537594, except price is slightly less, there are no overseas prices, and number line note doesn't make sense because British paperbacks don't usually have the 9-1 (or 9-2 in this case) number line, that's an American book thing only, I'm pretty sure. Editor was Hauck, one of those people who hate this site now and want nothing to do with it anymore, so if you want to use the archived copy to correct their work I don't think they'll care much, or maybe it's an alternate non-overseas edition in which case you might want to create a new record for it. EDIT: The synopsis in the title record for the collection Beyond Lies the Wub should really be in the story's title record, I think. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:30, 17 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Canonical name change Richard Magahiz from Rich Magahiz ==<br />
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Any objections to making [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?243358 Richard Magahiz] the canonical name and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?143850 Rich Magahiz] the alternate?<br />
*55 titles credited to Richard Magahiz.<br />
*29 titles credited to Rich Magahiz.<br />
*01 title has publications credited to each.<br />
SFPA bios (Star*Line, Eye to the Telescope, Dwarf Stars, Rhysling), LinkedIn, Instagram, Pinterest all use Richard Magahiz. Only site I see using Rich Magahiz is Flickr. Ill add these links to the canonical name. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:46, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Sounds like a good plan to me. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:27, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Yep, go ahead. Especially considering that most if not all new titles use Richard. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:57, 19 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: changed, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:08, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Azzurra ==<br />
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I was doing something related to Thundercats books and one of those titles isn't on Archive.org but this similarly-titled thing is, https://archive.org/search?query=princess-azzurra&sort=-addeddate, in case anyone thinks it qualifies to be here and wants to enter it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:24, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Noyes, Platt ==<br />
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I let a mod know they misspelled Alfred Noyes' first name in a note which has now been fixed but while checking to see if there were any others I came across a note about this publisher, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?57420. There are 6 copies of the Bangs book from 5 different libraries on Archive.org, https://archive.org/search?query=noyes-platt&sort=title, in case anyone wants to add links assuming they're the same printing as the one entered on ISFDB. Also, while other books are art-related there is one possible genre book, Mother Goose's Menagerie. It is not in Wells' ISFDB record. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:47, 18 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== William Relling Collections ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?655; Tragic suicide; also tragic is that both of his collections are very rare. The Infinite Man was previewed in a 1989 200-copy convention edition but never released in a trade edition. As for Along the Midway..., a site I mentioned a while back, Anna's Archive, has both the individual story of that title and what is supposedly the collection; story was in Omni and that seems to be public domain these days (it can be read at williamflew.com) but Anna's is the only place I've seen that claims to have a copy of the book. I was at a public library today and figured, what the hell, I'll download it. After changing the .epub to a .pdf I opened it and saw the cover, the next page which has a thumbnail of the cover, and then...the collection Glimpses by Rick Hautala. It's the WRONG BOOK 😠. The review on this page, http://www.dondammassa.com/2002r3.htm, mentions 2 stories so those and the title story can be imported, at least. I made a couple of edits to it last year according to edit history. RTrace did a whole bunch of secondary verifications for Infinite Man a few months ago; is it possible someone here owns one of those convention editions (online info is unreliable; an actual copy would be great)? On the plus side, even though Glimpses came out 10 years ago nobody ever entered the contents here so if anyone cares to they can do that; Amazon has a preview which includes the contents. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:56, 20 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Canonical name change Jay Sturner from Jason Sturner ==<br />
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Any objections to making [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?285393 Jay Sturner] the canonical name and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?167883 Jason Sturner] an alternate?<br />
*23 titles credited to Jay Sturner.<br />
*08 titles credited to Jason Sturner<br />
*17 titles have publications credited to both.<br />
*01 title credited to Jason E. Schlismann.<br />
The author's website (the url does use jasonsturner), Goodreads and Amazon all use Jay Sturner. SFPA Rhysling bio uses Jason Sturner (2014 & 2015 anthologies). [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:45, 21 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
: And Jay is the one currently in use - I'd say it is time to switch them around indeed. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:36, 21 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Changed, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:32, 22 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Michel Faber - Over a Certain Threshold? ==<br />
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I am working on the collection [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?961950 Some Rain Must Fall and Other Stories]. This contains a mixture of spec-fic (6 stories) and non-genre (9 stories). Could someone please advise whether the author [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?10428 Michel Faber] is considered to be [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Excluded over a certain threshold] so that I can deal with the non-genre stories appropriately. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 13:21, 21 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:As there has been no reply for more than two weeks, I shall proceed on the assumption that the author is above threshold. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:14, 6 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Thackery T. Lambshead ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?156126; I left a message with Paulotecario about making variants of the Portuguese edition's titles but while looking up G. J. Couzens / Gary Couzens it turned out after checking Archive.org that while Gary is used elsewhere the name at the end of the "story" is G. J. so the Portuguese editor is the only one who entered it correctly here. 1st edition on ISFDB has 1 active PV, 1 non-active for a long time who seems to be semi-active now, 1 non-active but still checks in, and 1 who I think is completely gone. So at least one of them should consult with this editor about the names and making sure the English ones are correct before he makes any variants. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:52, 22 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Irish Odyssey ==<br />
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While looking on Paul Pinn's archived site for a story he co-wrote with D. F. Lewis (couldn't find it) I discovered that Pinn had several pages offering some of his short stories (some very filthy including one that is on ISFDB only as by "uncredited" that nearly caused the zine it appeared in to go out of business). I added links but the last one, https://web.archive.org/web/20011024002257/http://www.paulpinn.com/morestories/, is from an Odyssey magazine that is not one of these, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=odyssey+m&type=Magazine. The editor has a page here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?31614, with no mention of the zine. Cold Tonnage has some covers, https://www.coldtonnage.com/quicksearch/all/odyssey%20lecky, and there were at least 7 issues. Pinn's story title appears nowhere in a search on Google (the only mention of the title is a song by the 70's UK rock band Slack Alice which translates as "Soldier of the World") so I'm guessing this is a very obscure zine; if anyone can find more info a lot of new stories can probably be entered here. EDIT: Pinn died back in 2016 so I added that and other stuff to his record here. EDIT: Some of his stories are by Paul E. Pinn so if anyone knows what the E stands for his legal name can be entered. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:19, 23 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Irma Chilton ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?223006; Chilton doesn't seem to have any English-language books on Archive.org but many of her books were translated into Welsh and one of them on this page, https://openlibrary.org/authors/OL500489A/Irma_Chilton?mode=ebooks&sort=old, has a vampire on the cover and so is likely a genre book, in case anyone here is familiar with that language and wants to enter it or any others that qualify. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:21, 24 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== From Time To Time ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?436; I added OL ID to original Scribner HC some time ago and today I added the Archive.org link, also added link to 1996 Scribner paperback, last page is picture credits with no page number, only one person actually entered the numbers as 303+[1], should other 304 page counts be changed to that, too, or should that be changed to 304, also should Schuck be removed from cover artists since she did design only? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:24, 25 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Berserkers ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?34563; One of those uploaders that provide completely searchable copies just uploaded the USA Pocket edition of Elwood's anthology which is hard to find these days. Ex-PV Bluesman who had a problem with dates, many of which have needed fixing by me or others, seems to have confused some info on the Canadian edition's copyright page and entered the cover art as April instead of June. If someone could read the notes and decide whether it should be June then it needs fixing. Also, the HC, which I somehow never added a link to until now even though it's been there for more than 2 years, had cover artist entered as Stanislaw even though someone wrote in the note that it said Stanislow but they just decided to "fix" it, so is the rule here to enter it as is? Also, note says he's credited on back flap but there's no info like that in the archived copy (bad framing?) but there is in this badly-shot photo from eBay, [https://www.picclickimg.com/images/g/to0AAOSwqdlk~TB6/s-l1600.jpg]. EDIT: A similar Trident HC/Pocket PB case here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?282516, where Bluesman wrote the same kind of note but in this case decided to make the month the same as the USA edition (?). I wonder how many more of these there are out there. EDIT: While looking into all this I stumbled on a recently uploaded (jacketless puke-green) copy of Joseph Elder's other anthology The Farthest Reaches so I added a link in case anyone was searching for that book. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:58, 26 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Continuum 3 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?34539; IF US PB artist was taken from HC why is his last name spelled differently? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:53, 26 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dream Science Fiction ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?27851; One of my D. F. Lewis story links was just approved and it originally appeared in the above-linked magazine so mod RTrace standardized issue titles as he usually does but I discovered that Luminist has most of the issues as PDF files. While adding links and replacing broken images I discovered that the last issue which was called Winter here was actually published in July! While fixing dates I also found that a story by Andy M. Smith was actually by Andy Smith and that a story by him in another issue says Andy M. on ISFDB, Andy on Contents page, but it's A. M. on story title page. I fixed these things which should be approved soon but I'm sure there's other stuff people can find that I missed. EDIT: Also, if anyone is going to link all those Smiths together I doubt the cover art credit by Andy Smith is the same as the one who wrote those stories 20 years earlier and it's also unlikely that the recent horror anthology edited by A. M. Smith is by the same guy, either, so there might be 3 variants of the SF writer's name plus 2 separate authors. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:28, 26 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Luminist Update ==<br />
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Related to my previous message, Luminist has recently updated their zine list, http://readitfree.org/FZ/FZ_updates.htm, in case anyone is looking for any of those issues. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:40, 26 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mondourania ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?2237; https://fantlab.ru/series8593; Cover images broken but FantLab has them if they need replacing; is that Italian site dead? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:23, 26 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Sci Fi Wire/ SyFy Wire - webzine or website? ==<br />
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I recently rejected an edit to change the type of the container title of {{P|968445|this publication}} from NONFICTION to ESSAY. The editor, who I believe is the author of the piece, questioned me about the rejection. I stand by the rejection as the edit would have put the publication into an invalid state. However, in looking further into the record, I'm not certain whether the publication should have been added in the first place. The essay in question is a review of a television show that was posted on the Sci Fi Wire site. Our [[ISFDB:Policy#Rules of Acquisition|ROA]] specifically exclude "Works published in a web-based publication and available exclusively as a Web page" unless they are explicitly included. The two exceptions under inclusions that may apply here are: "Webzines, which are defined as online periodicals with distinct issues (note that online periodicals without distinct issues are not considered webzines)." and "Online publications available exclusively as a Web page, but only if: published by a market which makes the author eligible for SFWA membership". Unfortunately, the link to SFWAs list of markets doesn't give an easy way to determine whether Sci Fi Wire was a market back in 2009 when the piece was published. They do not appear in the current list of markets. The archived link in the publication record does show a date for the item, and appears similar to how tor.com is presented in that respect. I don't follow the SyFy site, so I'd like to ask the community whether we want to consider Sci Fi Wire/SyFy Wire to be a webzine or a website? If the former, I think the publication in question can be converted to a magazine and the essay added. If it's a website, it appears to fall outside the ROA and should be deleted. Thoughts? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:29, 26 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Since it appears to be an essay about the television show ''Fringe'', it shouldn't be included as NONFICTION. I would consider Paul Levinson to be "above the threshold", so it could be included as an ESSAY if it's part of a distinct issue of the Sci Fi Wire. As far as I can tell (and remember), Sci Fi Wire was a blog-like news and information site about speculative fiction topics (books, TV, movies, etc.), and it never had distinct issues. Therefore, I don't think it should be included here unless it's part of a book or something that's reprinting it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:51, 26 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks for opening this discussion. I can give the following info about Sci Fi Wire: It was a continually updated news site about science fiction related matters. It published news, reviews, etc about science fiction movies and TV shows, and (in case this is relevant), it was a paying market. According to SFWA rules (I was President of the organization from 1998-2001, and am a Lifetime Member), a sale like I made to Sci Fi Wire would have counted as a professional nonfiction sale, and satisfied a criterion for admission to SFWA as an Affiliate Member. Hope this helps, and it's fine with me whatever is decided about this publication for ISFDB [[User:PaulLev|PaulLev]] ([[User talk:PaulLev|talk]]) 01:15, 27 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Watchers Out of Time ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5777341; Cover mentioned in original note has a $6.95 Canadian price so it is a later one but both it and the OL cover I added which is the same as the archived copy's cover say USA price is $4.95. If anyone can show a cover with $4.50 I'd be surprised because none online say that so I'll chalk it up to a book entered long ago with faulty info. Also, Derleth isn't credited on title page as mentioned in the note; does that change anything as to how the book is credited here? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:05, 27 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The $4.50 price is from Locus1. I'd suggest double checking with the verifier of the second printing, which has a $4.95 price to determine whether second printing is explicitly stated in the book. My recollection is that Carroll & Graf is sometimes sloppy about printing history. It may be that the scan you're adding is of the second printing. Regardless of that outcome, your edit doesn't deal with the author credit. You'll need to remove Derleth from the publication record for each of the C&G publications, coordinating with the verifier. You can then unmerge the C&G title records, re-merge them with each other and make them into a new variant of the current parent title. Further, the date of the existing variant should be adjusted to 2008-10-14. You'll also need to remove the contents from each C&G record and replace them with the titles as by Lovecraft only. Finally, each of those will need to be varianted to the original titles by Lovecraft and Derleth. As I've noted before, it's helpful to the moderators to indicate in the moderator notes that you're doing a multi step process and that you intend to complete the edit with the next steps. Hope that helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:44, 27 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Gay Mormon Collections ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?135658; I randomly came across Zombies for Jesus and added Archive.org link + corrected page count; no contents entered, no stories in his record, descriptions on back cover make it sound like not all the stories are genre (he has a lot of "literary" credits), https://archive.org/search?query=townsend-johnny&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22 and https://archive.org/search?query=johnny-townsend&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22 reveal that he has at least 3 other archived collections plus there are a few others that sound promising on his OL page, https://openlibrary.org/authors/OL7587355A/Johnny_Townsend?sort=old, so if anyone actually wants to read them at least some of the stories probably belong here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:12, 27 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Gollancz - 10 new series titles ==<br />
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I had a Douglas Adams moment when I edited one of my books in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?9984 Gollancz SF] series - 14 titles in a series of 10.<br />
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Well, one thing led to another and now, after reviewing over 1,300 Gollancz publications in the years 1928 to 2000, I'm proposing some new series titles.<br />
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I've only dealt with publications where a cover image is available, and have dispensed with 'Gollancz' from 'Gollancz SF', to reduce clutter.<br />
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:* SF Series 1 - single zig-zag line border. {{P|213465|example}}<br />
:* SF Series 2 - two zig-zag lines across top. {{P|21849|example}}<br />
:* SF Series 3 - SF in black top. {{P|46199|example}}<br />
:* SF Series 4 - SF in shield. {{P|284012|example}}<br />
:* SF Series 5 - Gollancz SF in square box, various colours. {{P|288453|example}}<br />
:* SF Series 6 - this would be the current 'Gollancz SF' series (with rounded corners) re-named. {{P|766238|example}}<br />
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:* Gollancz Anthology - in different genres, 2 border lines with author names/ themes within. {{P|270834|example}}<br />
:* Gollancz Detection {{P|271629|example}}<br />
:* Gollancz Suspense {{P|302985|example}}<br />
:* Gollancz Originals {{P|53463|example}}<br />
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Comments please. Kev. [[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:06, 28 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:This sounds good to me. If possible, I'd include the years for each in the notes for each series, possibly in the title of the series. Perhaps "Gollancz SF (1928-1935)" (the years are just an example as I have no idea the years covered by each). That will make it easier to place volumes into the appropriate series. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:48, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Thanks for your input Joe. I had considered including dates in the series titles but concluded it isn't practicable. The main reason is that the series overlap considerably. As these are are arbitrarily separated out series we don't have any firm start/finish dates - our only guidance is the dating (and some are undated) for the publications we have in the database. If subsequent editions are found which fall out of range of any existing stated criteria this may be confusing/exclusionary.<br />
::On reflection, I think it might be better, as you imply, to include "Gollancz" in the titling; to read, for instance "Gollancz SF Series 1".<br />
::As can be seen from the examples, these are only serialised according to their cover layouts; I had collectors in mind whilst thinking about the whole thing. In the title containers, I would be adding notes explaining qualifying criteria (so often missing), with a link to a 'prime' example, and also something about the date range(s) for the ones we have on record. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:28, 6 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Then I suggest using similar disambiguation as used with authors or titles: "Gollancz SF Series" for the first one, then "Gollancz SF Series (2)" or "Gollancz SF Series (II)", "Gollancz SF Series (3)" or "Gollancz SF Series (III)", and so on, where the description of how to identify the series is given on the series page. I agree with the four lower series naming except for the anthology one. The example you provided doesn't show "Gollancz Anthology" (unlike the others, which show the suggested titles). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:09, 9 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::I take your point about "Gollancz Anthology". I was looking for commonality - there are 14 publications with the cover layout like that, and they are all anthologies. To be consistent, it would be better to use the "Gollancz SF Series (n)" construction and the fact that they are anthologies would be recorded in the series title notes. Thanks for the thought. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 13:46, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== H. R. Giger's Necronomicon ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/hr-giger-necronomicon; https://archive.org/details/hr-giger-necronomicon-1977_202309; Strangely enough this is not on ISFDB (#2 is) in case anyone fluent wants to enter it (I think later copy was just ripped from original uploader because they look the same). Language is, um, German, I think? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:28, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== C$ Tolkien ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_publisher&O_2=contains&TERM_2=methuen&USE_3=author_canonical&O_3=contains&TERM_3=tolkien&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication]; [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_publisher&O_2=contains&TERM_2=magnum&USE_3=author_canonical&O_3=contains&TERM_3=tolkien&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication]; I added links to 2 of these Canadian editions today and some editors entered publisher normally and others entered it with (Canada), most are PV so a consensus should be reached about whether they belong with parent publisher names or really should be separated. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:26, 29 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Nouveau Space Opera ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1987278; I'd like to add a link to this book but there are 2 records that seem like they're the same. One should probably be deleted or merged and, once done, I'll add the link. Earlier one was entered by Hauck (hates ISFDB now so I don't think they'd care much if their record was gone) while the other was entered much later. EDIT: The one with 667 pages is correct because last page is unnumbered; price is also correct. Also, Hauck may not have entered the other one, he just made an edit and approved a couple of others. Must have been one of those early edits before records were kept. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:53, 30 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Fantascienza ==<br />
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I was looking for something by using the term "della fantascienza" and didn't find it but these, https://archive.org/search?query=%22della+fantascienza%22&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22, came up in case any can prove useful to anyone; the Robot magazine, in particular, looks promising. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:54, 30 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== This World Is Taboo ==<br />
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{{T|3533|This World Is Taboo}} is currently listed as a novel with a title record note of "first appeared as 'Pariah Planet' in Amazing, July 1961". A word count of the {{P|272861|Project Gutenberg edition}} (which is a transcription of the Ace Book edition) shows it to be 35,932 words (so a novella and not a novel). A comparison of the [https://archive.org/details/Amazing_Stories_v35n07_1961-07_UnkSc-cape1736/page/n5/mode/2up Amazing Stories, July 1961 Internet Archive scan] shows the text of {{T|60646|Pariah Planet}} to match that of "This World Is Taboo". So "This World Is Taboo" should be converted to a novella and varianted to "Pariah Planet". This would also require converting {{T|136377|The Med Series}} from an omnibus to a collection as all contents would then be short fiction.<br />
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I will be notifying all the active verifiers of pubs containing "This World Is Taboo" and pointing them to this centralized conversation. If there are no objections, I will convert the novel to a novella in a few days. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 06:42, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:No objections to converting. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:30, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5780069. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:35, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Works for me as well. The Project Gutenberg version of "Pariah Planet" contains 35,002 words, but the difference may be due to the extensive footers and headers (copyright statements etc) that PG tends to add. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:44, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Imported the story text of both PG versions (excluding headers, footers, page numbers) into Word and did a compare. Pariah has 34,041 words and Taboo has 35,932 words. There has been some editing between the two versions including a scattering of an additional explanatory sentence here and there. All in all, it's close enough to consider the same work. I will add an explanatory note to both title records when varianting. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:48, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::: Ok with me. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] ([[User talk:GlennMcG|talk]]) 15:30, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::Support the change.15:58, 1 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::Works for me, thanks. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 23:25, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::: Ok with me too. --[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] ([[User talk:Dirk P Broer|talk]]) 11:16, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::::Sounds good to me. Definitely include the above information in the note for the TITLE record. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:45, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Changes made as discussed. Thanks all. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:37, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== More than one edition? ==<br />
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Hi. I just heard of this at Capclave this weekend. Looked up my one published (so far) novel, 11,000 Years. <br />
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Problem: the original publisher, the late Eric Flint's Ring of Fire Press, was shut down after his death. The novel is now *republished* by another publisher. I don't see "other editions", or any obvious reasonable way to add this info (which is important to me, since it *is* now back in print.<br />
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Thanks in advance. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Whitroth|Whitroth]] ([[User talk:Whitroth|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Whitroth|contribs]]) .</small> 08:18, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3054628. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:59, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Since the new editions will have different ISBNs and publishers, they are just a new publication under the same title. You can certainly add notes to both the title and publication records as well. It looks like the tp edition was added by Fixer back in August but the ebook is yet to be added. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 12:35, 3 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?13521; If you enter anything I think the publisher should be changed in some way to differ it from the one that did magazines 50 years ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:27, 3 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Cute, Amazon. Per the Look-inside views, the publisher is actually Novus Mundi Publishing. If you want me to do the edits and clone for the ebook, I can but you can do it yourself. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 17:09, 3 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Fosses d'Iverson ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=dan+simmons+fosses; I was doing a bunch of Dan Simmons edits and came across that French edition where they packaged his story "Iverson's Pits" into its own separate book; in case anyone here who's fluent wants to enter it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:15, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Beyond the Doors of Death ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5781424; Title date is different than date of both editions, intro is entered with one of those dates while Broderick's original story is entered with the other date, what should the real date be for all of these? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:55, 2 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Complete Cthulhu Mythos Tales ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5781813; I'm not sure which of those 3 page counts is correct. Last numbered page is 593 but there's an "About the Artist" page following it which probably shouldn't count but the editor of the Sterling edition here entered 594 and also has the Roman numerals one higher than the Fall River edition, so maybe Sterling added an extra page to the book and the last numbered page really is 594. If anyone owns Fall River, B&N first printing or Sterling all that can be checked and fixed as needed. Also, does ISFDB software know not to import titles already there? Because I think it removed intro automatically which someone added to all 3 editions. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:02, 3 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Jane Gaskell Sphere Editions ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=jane+gaskell+sphere&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=year%3A%221967%22; Those books have prices and dates which are the same as what's on ISFDB but the covers are totally different; anybody who knows the history of these UK paperbacks where they change covers and nothing else may know what year these are really from and would like to enter them here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:50, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Who Is N. Dalby? ==<br />
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https://richarddalbyslibrary.com/products/all-hallows-3-1991-the-journal-of-the-ghost-story-society-barbara-roden-christopher-roden-ash-tree-press-4; I suspect the N. Dalby credited on p. 13 is actually Richard Dalby; does anyone own this issue who can look for a signature on the artwork if there is one? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:17, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Late Victorian Gothic Tales ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?448651; I added an archived 2009 edition (7th printing) just now and was nearly fooled into cut-and-pasting the page count from the 2009 edition already on ISFDB until my usual paranoia caused me to check the copy itself only to discover count is much higher, 282 pages. Does anyone own the first printing who can check and fix count if needed? There's no edit history; I'm sure all printings are 282 and the wrong info is from Amazon or some other unreliable site. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:44, 4 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Balzac ==<br />
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Looking for the year of publication by P. F. Collier & Son New York For The First Complete Translation into English Honore de Balzac in Twenty-Five volumes? There is not ISBN number. The covers are green with gold lettering and HB is embossed on the cover and binder side. {{unsigned|Tina.adams}}<br />
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: I have this edition in my collection, but it's currently boxed and I can't get to it. Luckily, you can view and/or download individual volumes of this edition from Google Books, e.g. [https://www.google.com/books/edition/Honor%C3%A9_de_Balzac_in_Twenty_five_Volumes/I_RDAAAAYAAJ?hl=en Volume 25]. There is "MCM" at the bottom of the title page, which is Roman numerals for "1900". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:12, 5 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::I too have this collection which is why I was enquiring. I inherited it along with a collection of Robert Louis Stevenson published in New York by Charles Scriberner's Sons from 1905. {{unsigned|Tina.adams}}<br />
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:::https://archive.org/search?query=%22+p.+f.+collier%22+balzac+volumes&sort=title. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:35, 5 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Nick Smith ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?41231; The Smith who wrote the 4 novels is from England and born in 1972 (I've been adding stuff to Luath Press books and his bio is on their site) so is not the same Smith who did everything else on the page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:15, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Novelist has been separated out. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:40, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Alexander Forbes ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?127476; A copy of Radio Gunner was uploaded earlier this year so I have an edit pending with a link, either the story is by some youngster or they reprinted something by the older guy, also FantLab has someone with a similar name who illustrated an old book that seems to be about fairies judging by some of the scanned photos (Blue Fairy, maybe?), https://fantlab.ru/art9514, but his dates don't match the novelist so probably a different Forbes, if anyone can translate maybe they can decide whether the fairy book belongs here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:56, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Canonical name change Xan van Rooyen from Suzanne van Rooyen ==<br />
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Any objections to making [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?328437 Xan van Rooyen] the canonical name and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?165580 Suzanne van Rooyen] an alternate?<br />
* 15 titles credited to Xan van Rooyen.<br />
* 14 titles credited to Suzanne van Rooyen.<br />
The about section on the [http://suzannevanrooyen.com/about-xan/ author's website] (the url does use suzannevanrooyen) is titled Xan van Rooyen and the author explicitly asks to be called Xan. All titles since 2020 are credited to Xan van Rooyen. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:32, 7 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Sounds good to me. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:03, 9 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Hearing no objections, the relationship has been reversed. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:07, 13 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== ESFS ==<br />
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While searching for something I came across this, https://fantlab.ru/award30; I don't see that award on ISFDB so maybe this can be something useful to enter for someone. There's a few mentions of it in notes, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/note_search_results.cgi?OPERATOR=contains&NOTE_VALUE=esfs. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:14, 8 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Falcons ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5785847; I entered Book of Lyonne here nearly 2 years ago; today I came across 2 eBay listings with 12 photos each. I see the reason I didn't enter the price back then is because FantLab has a price-clipped photo but eBay copies are not clipped. I think all 8 Peake drawings are viewable; I see the lion on the frontispiece, a weird hybrid creature with an umbrella, a little man-beast smoking a cigar, the lion with a Japanese lady, a tiptoeing elephant, a couple of ducks, a monkey diving at a bird, and a group shot of a bunch of animals following the lion around a tree. I also want to clear up the Falcon Press mess which I believe I asked about a long time ago without success. Per the note the UK publisher used both Falcon Press and The Falcon Press; I suppose it's possible that the UK Frazetta book published more than 20 years after the others is by the same publisher but I doubt it. Then there's Wilson's 2 US books and a much later reprint of a Robert W. Chambers book. So we've got 1, possibly 2, UK and 1, possibly 2, US Falcons. If anyone's interested and can provide more info I'm sure we can separate all of them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:30, 8 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Elizabeth Davis ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?210874; Someone recently entered Old Woman and I followed up with a PENDING edit fixing/adding stuff; the story & poem almost certainly belong to one of the other Davises but they're both contemporary so it's hard to say which. I would guess it's (I) but her webpage isn't found online and typing the titles of the story and poem together on Google gets nothing so no online bibliography, it seems. EDIT: Davis (I) webpage, https://www.elizabethdavis.mercierdavis.com/, is found if you type it directly into the URL bar but her bibliography ends in 2021; both story and poem are 2022. The search goes on. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:57, 8 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Smashwords Author Images ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5786282; Coming across that awful author photo annoyed me so much I tried to replace it but Amazon seems to no longer have that one and now has 2 that are equally worthless; one is an "S" image that ISFDB doesn't like and the other isn't actually a photo but some kind of cartoon drawing. I resorted to looking at the old ISFDB "image linking permissions" page and decided to try Smashwords, found his photo, checked to see how the image is supposed to be entered, and to my great surprise it worked. Then I decided to do an advanced author search for images containing either "cloudfront" or "smashwords" and got nothing. So is it possible that this will be the only Smashwords photo on ISFDB? Anyway, anyone looking for images on Amazon who can't find any or only bad ones, try Smashwords. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:13, 9 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
: 230 publications use smashword images as of 13:43, 9 October 2023. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:43, 9 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Authors is what I was referring to. Book covers are usually uploaded on many sites but photos are often unique. I searched this page, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_selection.cgi?author, for "Author Image contains smashwords" and got nothing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:08, 9 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I approved the submission, but then uploaded the image from their Amazon author page as it wasn't blurry like the Smashwords image. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:01, 9 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mary M. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?60641; A mod just entered a 1984 novel with a jacket credit by Mary Mietzelfeld that I added plus other stuff, usual paranoia caused me to search for similar names and I got the link above, I imported cover credit into '85 US and Canada and changed the date, there's also a 16th printing that has the cover credit but no cover, lots of PV for various editions so they may want to look into this and figure out where the credit came from since notes imply there's no credit in the book for some or all of the editions. Only other credit on Google I can find for "Mary Meitzelfeld" is a 1970's Mario Puzo book so I'd think Mietzelfeld is the correct spelling. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:06, 9 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== 2nd Utopia Awards ==<br />
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I asked a few months ago if the [https://www.clificon.com/nominees-voting Utopia Awards for Utopian/Climate fiction] could be added, and I was told it would be better to wait for for it to have at least a second year. Since the second edition was awarded this week, could it be added to the database now? The award is connected to the [https://www.clificon.com/schedule-1/2023-utopia-awards-climate-fiction-conference Climate Fiction Conference], which was held yesterday, and it appeared on [https://locusmag.com/2023/10/2023-utopia-awards/ Locus Magazine], so it has some grounding. My apologies if the request is inadequate.<br />
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: Thanks for the update! When we create a new Award Type, we populate the following fields:<br />
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:* Short Name, e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?44 "World Fantasy"]<br />
:* Full Name, e. g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?44 "World Fantasy Award"]<br />
:* Awarded For, e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?44 "Fantasy and horror"]<br />
:* Awarded By, e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?44 "Panel of judges chosen by the World Fantasy Awards Administration"]<br />
:* Poll (Yes/No)<br />
:* Covers more than just SF (Yes/No)<br />
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: I am trying to find information that we would need to populate these fields. So far I have had limited success. [https://www.android-press.com/clificon23/2022-utopia-award-nominees This Android Press page] seems to suggest that nominees are chosen by Android Press and the winners are determined by online voters, but it's not clear. Is there an online description of the award sponsors, nominee qualifications, award categories and the award selection process? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:16, 10 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: [https://twitter.com/solarpunklitmag/status/1651227649417650179 The nomination was also open to the public], though online voters, so both the nominees and the winners were chosen by the public. [https://www.clificon.com/nominations This link] had the rules of the qualifications during the voting process, but it's no longer visible since it was a Google formulary (like the British SF awards), from what I recall when I voted, the focus was on speculative stories (both sci fi and fantasy) about climate fiction or with an utopian/positive bent published in the previous year. You can see the categories [https://www.clificon.com/nominees-voting here]. {{unsigned|Alittlebook}}<br />
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:::https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdHgetVmOb28bWcU-W3pUIFc3d6IP5GH5V6Z620bjhyTGAygg/viewform. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:37, 11 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Thanks to [[User:Alittlebook]] for the clarifications and to [[User:Username]] for the link to the [https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdHgetVmOb28bWcU-W3pUIFc3d6IP5GH5V6Z620bjhyTGAygg/viewform 2023 nomination form].<br />
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:::: The form says that the award is given to "works ... that exemplify hopeful, utopian fiction (science fiction, fantasy, climate fiction...)", which we can use to populate the "Awarded For" field.<br />
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:::: The one outstanding question is the name of the body that administers the award, which we need for the "Awarded By" field. It would appear that it is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?78816 Android Press], whose first major project was [https://www.android-press.com/about Solarpunk Magazine] (2022-) and which is associated with (sponsors?) [https://www.clificon.com/ annual Climate Fiction Conferences]. Is there a statement explaining the relationship between these bodies/organizations and which one(s) administer the Utopia Awards? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:43, 11 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: From what I gathered, Solarpunk Magazine is a project done by Android Press, who created/hosted the Utopia Awards and the Climate Fiction Conference. They held a [https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/androidpress/utopia-awards-and-climate-fiction-conference Kickstarter] to fund it last year. From the description of the fundraiser, the inaugural award had their nominees chosen by an invited panel of publishing houses and magazine editors, but they shifted for public voting this year. Also, my apologies for not signing my earlier posts, I had forgotten how to, lol [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 14:06, 11 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Thanks, the [https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/androidpress/utopia-awards-and-climate-fiction-conference Kickstarter link] is very useful. So basically the core organization behind the award is [https://www.android-press.com/about Android Press], which has [https://www.android-press.com/about/android-crew 8 editors]. They organize annual "Climate Fiction Conferences" and administer the Utopia Award.<br />
:::::: We have come across publisher-administered "awards" which were actually ploys to promote the publisher's books, but in this case I don't think it's a concern. The fact that their Kickstarter was successfully funded to the tune of $5,000 is pretty convincing evidence that it's a genuine "subgenre award".<br />
:::::: Any objections to creating a new Award Type for this award? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:57, 11 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: Oh yeah, out of 47 nominees this year, only 2 are connected to one of their branches (a poem and a single short story from the Solarpunk Magazine; the authors of both works campaigned a lot during the voting, so it didn't felt like a sketchy result, and neither of them won). I followed their proccess because I'm interested in climate fiction/solarpunk and it seemed like a genuine push for the subgenre's visibility. [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 20:09, 11 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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=== Outcome of the "Utopia Awards" discussion ===<br />
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Hearing no objection, I have created a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?112 new Award Type] for "Utopia Award" as well as 9 award categories. Everything should be ready for "Add Award" submissions to be created. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:38, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks! I'm adding the awards little by little, just a question: the winner of the Anthology category this year was a special issue of Omenana, a magazine. It seems like I can't add awards to magazine issues, what should I do about it? [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 16:20, 15 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: According to [https://www.clificon.com/nominees-voting this list], the award was given to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?906921 the July, 2022 issue] aka "Issue #22" aka "Positive Visions of Democracy". As per [[Help:Screen:AddAward]]:<br />
:::ISFDB supports two different types of awards. Although they are entered and modified using the same Web pages, they are quite different and it's important to understand the difference before you start entering or editing awards. The two award types are as follows:<br />
:::* '''Title-based Awards (including Cover Art)''': Most awards are given to individual ISFDB titles, e.g. novels, non-fiction, short stories, cover art and so on. Note that these titles MUST already exist in ISFDB before you can add awards to them. If you want to add an award to a title that is not in ISFDB, then you have to enter that title first, wait for the submission to be approved and then enter the title's award(s).<br />
:::* '''Other awards''': ISFDB also supports awards given to individuals beyond their specific works, e.g. Lifetime Achievement awards. In addition, it supports awards given to publishers, editors, title series, and non-ISFDB items such as web sites, movies, graphic novels, and never-published stories (such as runner-ups in various "new story" awards). These awards are referred to as "Untitled Awards" because they are not associated with ISFDB title records.<br />
:: In this case we are dealing with an award given to a magazine issue, which is a ''publication'' as opposed to a ''title''. However, each MAGAZINE (or FANZINE) publication has an EDITOR title associated with it. It's displayed next to the words "Editor Title" right above the "Contents" line. If you follow the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3058619 link to the EDITOR title], you will see the "Add an Award to This Title" option under "Editing Tool".<br />
:: Keep in mind that an EDITOR title like "Omenana - 2022" can be shared by multiple magazine issues if they all have the same editor(s) and year of publication. Adding awards/nominations can get tricky if only one of the issues associated with the same EDITOR title is nominated. However, in this case this EDITOR title is associated with a single magazine issue, so it shouldn't be a problem.[[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:14, 15 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Got it. Just did like you said, thanks! [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 16:20, 15 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Vorzimer ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=vorzi&type=Name; Who should be parent? They're about even. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:42, 10 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: {{A|Peter Vorzimer}} was the way he was credited in the fanzine that he edited ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?227487 Abstract]) while {{A|Peter J. Vorzimer}} was the way he was credited when writing letters to {{A|Richard E. Geis}}'s [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?31311 Science Fiction Review (1st Series)]. Since "EDITOR" generally has more weight than "ESSAY" for the purposes of "best known within the genre", I made {{A|Peter Vorzimer}} the canonical name and {{A|Peter J. Vorzimer}} its alternate. Thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:56, 11 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks. I wonder if his disappearance after a few years had anything to do with this, https://latimes.newspapers.com/article/the-los-angeles-times-woman-struck-by-au/127127953/, assuming it's the same guy; the zine WAS published in California. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:21, 11 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Page 1 of the [https://fanac.org/fanzines/Abstract/ first issue of ''Abstract''] lists the publisher's address: 1311 N. Laurel Ave., W. Hollywood 46, Calif. The linked LA Times article has the same address, so it's the same person. I have added the middle name to the "legal name" field.<br />
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::: That said, the accident happened on March 17, 1954, but he continued to publish the fanzine until 1955, so it's not clear what the fallout of the accident was. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:55, 11 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Amazon URL ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5787245; It happens now and then where a URL will be different but image looks the same and is the same size. Is there no benefit to replacing or is it better to have a newer URL? Why does this happen? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:32, 11 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The sizes are actually slightly different, so the images are presumably also different, although the differences are imperceptible to the naked eye. As to why Amazon has two almost identical images, it's hard to tell. Their images come from different sources and we don't know what they are, so it may be any number of things. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:57, 11 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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EDIT: Also, my spell check doesn't like the editor's note "mis-numbers" and has a red line under the mis part; it's a legit word so I wonder if anyone else sees that, too? I did a note search and that's the only use of that word on all of ISFDB with or without the dash; editor must have been hooked on phonics that day. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:32, 11 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Spellchecking is handled by your browser as opposed to the ISFDB server. These days most browsers come with built-in spellcheckers and they usually let you add new words like "mis-numbers" to the list of recognized words. You can also install a custom browser add-on to handle spellchecking and grammar validation if you want a more sophisticated tool. There are a number of popular ones like [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/languagetool/ LanguageTool]. I am not sure how useful they would be since our Notes tend to use a lot of abbreviated sentences, but there is no harm in giving them a try. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:57, 11 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Plant Rage ==<br />
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https://fantlab.ru/edition388900; I was adding a link explaining the history of Stephen King's rare The Plant and came across that weird FantLab page where it seems a Russian publisher combined both Plant and King's hard-to-find 1977 Richard Bachman novel Rage which he hasn't allowed to be reprinted as a standalone novel in the USA because it concerns school shootings. So anyone fluent in Russian may want to add that book here since it contains 2 King works that haven't been reprinted endlessly. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:00, 12 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== By by ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?692274; OL-only archived copy, unusual for such a recent book, so I added a link and page numbers and corrected page count. I happened to notice that O'Regan's story was missing the word by at the end so I added that but I capitalized it in opposition to what this page says, https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:AllFields:Case, because it has a different meaning in this title rather than being "by" someone. I looked at these, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=passed+by&type=Fiction+Titles, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=passes+by&type=Fiction+Titles, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=passing+by&type=Fiction+Titles, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=pass+by&type=Fiction+Titles. Most are like O'Regan's title as I entered it with the majority being capitalized but a few aren't; also, I think Tarzia's poem in the last link is the only one that uses it in the possessive so that is probably a legitimate use of the small b. What does anyone else think? Some will need to be changed to make everything standard. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:48, 13 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Best of the Midwest's SFFH ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?348698; I made some edits for this book a long time ago and today found that the story by Douglas Graham is actually by D. Douglas Graham who has another story in the book by that name; I fixed that in a pending edit but while doing that I noticed that the stories are illustrated with the artists' names listed on the contents page but the search function on Google Books is not great and it's hard to find anything specific with accuracy. I see some pretty big names like Marge Simon, David Transue (who did Volume II's cover), etc. So if anyone knows how to get a look at the full copy a lot of artist credits can be entered; there seems to be no preview of Volume II but I'm guessing that's probably illustrated, too. These are rare books; the second one was recalled due to cover problems. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:37, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Hobgoblin ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?337356; I did a lot of John Coyne edits some time ago, doing more today, a lot of his HC editions on Archive.org are book club editions which aren't on ISFDB, I'm ignoring those but this one, https://archive.org/search?query=+hobgoblin00coyn&sort=-addeddate, is interesting, it says book club on front flap but, unlike other club editions, it's much longer, 307 pages, than what's on ISFDB. Library of Congress says 304 pages. So if anyone knows what non-club edition's count is, let us know. I'd like to add a link to the archived copy somewhere. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:59, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Maiden, Matron, Crone ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?168059; I added archived link to $7.50 edition in a PENDING edit; should the other edition be deleted? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:43, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Duplicate deleted. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:33, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Christina Sng ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5790172; I've added full contents but there's a problem with the last 2 poems. Her website's bibliography says 9/02 for this (Sng's title is not seen because contents are incomplete), https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439266, and it turns out it says "September" clearly on the cover so I don't know why it was entered here as October; do all dates need changing? Also, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?310470, where her site says "Turtle Shell" appeared in this issue but it says "The Scarecrow" here; I noticed the next poem by another author is "Scarecrow" so I have a feeling 2 poems got mixed up and Sng's title should be changed. However, that would require someone looking at an actual copy of this rare zine; can anyone help? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:39, 15 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Captain Shark ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?25623; Recent upload of Jaws, added a link and cover credit for famed artist Hector Garrido, none of the copies on eBay for By Pirate's Blood show copyright page, likely same artist judging by style but can't be positive, anyone own a copy? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:14, 15 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Puleo ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?184633; http://www.bewilderingstories.com/bios/puleo_bio.html; I came across this randomly and thought I'd start adding bios from that site for obscure people who don't have bios elsewhere online but I may have picked a very bad one to start with. There are numerous online newspaper sites from Kentucky, where the bio linked above says Puleo lives, detailing the arrest on child pornography charges of a Carl Puleo/Carl A. Puleo/Carl Anthony Puleo. I don't want to link to any of those sites but many of them include his picture (as do sites like therapist.com since that was his job before he was arrested) which show him to be a middle-aged white male, sometimes with a beard and sometimes not. Care must be taken not to associate the Puleo on ISFDB with the other one unless some proof can be found that they're one and the same. It's very unlikely that the issue of Vampire Dan's where his poem appeared can be found but his bio mentions Anotherealm, an online site which which has only been spottily entered here and which, on Archive.org, doesn't have any mention of the name Puleo in a URL search. I did add a note a long time ago to Edward E. Kramer's record here detailing the reason why his genre work ended in 2000 was because of similar charges but in that case his crimes are well-documented on his Wikipedia page and it's clearly the same person. So if anyone can find definitively that author Puleo is the same as criminal Puleo then I will add details to his record (and also his middle name, Anthony). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:21, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Please come participate... ==<br />
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...in [[Rules and standards discussions#Numbering of pages numbered in the ToC but not numbered themselves|this discussion]] on page numbering questions. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:09, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Lawrence the Artist ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?27810; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5791436; Photo was probably taken in the mid-20th century but doesn't look much better than the one taken of Jack the Ripper's last victim in 1888; also, he bears a disturbing resemblance to a certain German dictator. More to the point, FantLab says birth year is 1884 as do some other sites online; is 1886 accurate? Also, FantLab just says he died in 1960 with no day or month so the accuracy of those entered here may not be right, either. Clouding this whole issue is this, https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/187880368/lawrence-sterne-stevens, which seems to be the same guy judging by the picture but says 1885; headstone says the same (and 1960) but provides no days or months. Wow; messy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:37, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Micromania ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?482014; https://picclick.com/?q=micromania+langford; I recently uploaded the cover, it was just approved, format says TP but cover looks like HC to me, Sphere PB has totally different ISBN (and cover), so either format should be changed to HC or there is a TP edition (but there's no proof of that online). Not sure what "adapted for the UK" on Langford's site means; did Platt have an American edition first? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:18, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== AbeBooks Links ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5786883; About this rejection, it's not correct that sale links aren't accepted because there's a whole bunch of them that were, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/webpages_search_results.cgi?OPERATOR=contains&WEBPAGE_VALUE=abebooks (the first one on that page doesn't count, it's Julie Abe's Facebook site), with at least the last one being entered by me last year and accepted with no problem, so can someone suggest how I can get that link accepted? Is there a mod here who doesn't have a problem with accepting them? Most of the AbeBooks links entered on ISFDB are still working and even when the product is sold many of the listings still remain on PicClick, Google Cache, Archive.org (https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://www.abebooks.com/signed-first-edition*), etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:36, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bioshock: Rapture ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?397958; I added archived TP link in PENDING edit, nearly got fooled into "fixing" page count to 427, usual paranoia caused me to check archived PB, it's 430, so either ex-library TP is ragged and last few pages fell out/got ripped out or Tor printers messed up. Does anyone own the TP who can verify that it ends on 430 and not 427? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:44, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ladies of Horror Fiction Award ==<br />
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Hello earthlings, I come forward with another micro award I found. <br />
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The Ladies of Horror Fiction Awards (short form: LOHF Award) was horror award given to woman authors in 2020 (for works from 2019), 2021 (for works from 2020) and 2022 (for works from 2021) by a [https://www.facebook.com/LadiesofHorrorFiction/ self-proclaimed grasshoots organization] aimed at uplifting women authors. From what I saw, they worked mostly as a website posting reviews and the award itself, and later changed to HorrorSpotlight and seem to have dropped the award entirely after the name change. Here's the Locus Magazine post about the winners from [https://locusmag.com/2020/07/2019-ladies-of-horror-fiction-awards-winners/ 2020], [https://locusmag.com/2021/07/2020-ladies-of-horror-fiction-awards-winners/ 2021] and [https://locusmag.com/2022/06/2021-ladies-of-horror-fiction-awards-winners/ 2022]. From what I gathered, they were [https://web.archive.org/web/20210609181523/https://www.ladiesofhorrorfiction.com/2019/01/08/ladies-of-horror-fiction-awards/ juri-based] (chosen by the people who mantained the Ladies of Horror Fiction website/organization), and besides the typical categories of Novel, YA, MG, Debut, Collection, Poetry Collection. Novella and Short Fiction, they also had a special category in their last year called Readers Choice, which was open for the public to vote. From what I understood from the [https://locusmag.com/2022/06/2021-ladies-of-horror-readers-choice/ Locus Magazine post about the Readers Choice category], they worked as honorary mentions for the 2022 LOFT Awards, since they listed ten different works with no specific sole winner. Their 2020 award also listed short fiction under honorable mentions, with no specific winners. [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 14:11, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Our main concern with minor awards is separating legitimate awards from promotional "awards" given by publishers to their own authors as well as "awards" given by individuals to their friends. Given the fact that [https://www.facebook.com/LadiesofHorrorFiction/about the Facebook page] run by "Ladies of Horror Fiction" has 1.7K followers I think it's a reasonably safe bet that this falls on the "legitimate award" side and therefore eligible for inclusion. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:16, 1 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Good to know! I've been taking notes on awards who aren't in the database already and slowly gathering info about them, if LOHF is added I'll work on adding the winners/nominees for it after finishing Argos. [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 00:32, 2 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Hearing no objection, I have created a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?114 new Award Type for Ladies of Horror Fiction Fiction Award]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:39, 10 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bear's Lost Souls ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?211621; I added archived links in PENDING edits to 3 editions of Greg Bear's Psychlone and noticed the edition re-titled Lost Souls had a small dark cover uploaded by, um, me in 2022. Oops. It's better than the raggedy creased cover uploaded by someone else way back in 2010 but the problem is that almost every cover currently online is the same as the one I uploaded, gregbear.com, FantLab, Open Library, etc.; the creased cover image seems to have totally disappeared (except on the Wiki page here, of course) or maybe it was someone's personal copy. The one eBay copy has a far-away tiny photo with a cracked spine and someone's bookcase in the background. Then I had a vague memory that there was a site devoted to Ace Books (not Bookscans because they end in 1980 and this edition is 1982); I found a page, http://people.uncw.edu/smithms/Ace_5N4.html, but ominously clicking the book's cover link does absolutely nothing. That sparked a memory that while editing some time ago I noticed that images from that site are broken so I assume the server where the images were kept is dead. No problem, I thought, I'll go for the archived image; only problem is I got this, [https://web.archive.org/web/20111105034307/http://people.uncw.edu/smithms/Ace%20singles/s5N-series/49492-7.jpg]. Here's a list of books with an image URL from that site, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_frontimage&O_2=contains&TERM_2=people.uncw.edu&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication], most are PV and a few that aren't are non-fiction books that don't really belong here, although there are a few non-PV books that do belong so I'll see if I can replace those. PV of all the others should probably replace theirs, too. As for Lost Souls, chime in if you can find a good cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:21, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Here is [http://people.uncw.edu/smithms/Ace%20singles/s5N-series/49492-7.jpg correct link] for the cover image file. Unfortunately, it is spoiled by a watermark in the lower right corner. --[[User:Zlogorek|Zlogorek]] ([[User talk:Zlogorek|talk]]) 03:23, 30 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Censored Breast ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?27207; I left a note to PV Stoecker about the last book in Ladd's record (which I've added an Archive.org link to, not approved yet) letting him know the artist stopped doing cover art in the mid-80s so that 1994 cover is likely re-used from somewhere else. While doing this I noticed the first book in Ladd's record, which has a collage on the cover, uses the girl from 1980's The Northern Girl but this book came out in 1978. Also, the US covers are censored; the 1978 book shows full nipple as do the 3 foreign editions of Northern Girl but the 3 US editions have an added lock of hair covering one of the breasts. I believe MagicUnk and Willem H. PV the 1978 book so they may want to variant or something similar to Northern Girl's cover, PV of US editions may want to add a note about the censorship, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:25, 19 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== A. Smothers ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=author_canonical&O_1=contains&TERM_1=alexa&C=AND&USE_2=author_canonical&O_2=contains&TERM_2=smothers&USE_3=author_canonical&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=author_canonical&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=author_canonical&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=author_canonical&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=author_canonical&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=author_canonical&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=author_canonical&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=author_canonical&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=author_canonical&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Author]; same person, 2 different websites. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:13, 19 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The artist's name is shown the same way (Alexa "Dok" Smothers) in both on-line pubs. It appears PeteYoung normalized the one occurrence and not the other when verifying. I will ping him. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:58, 22 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mondolithic ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=mondoli&type=Name; I just fixed Harry Potter cover for the second artist linked above, should that and the other cover under "Inc." have "Inc." removed so they fall under the same artist as all the others? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:54, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Again, Dangerous Visions ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5793462; The 2 Sallis titles under the heading Tissue, "At the Fitting Shop" and "53rd American Dream", are only on ISFDB in the original Doubleday edition and a 2012 Gateway e-book. Are the umbrella titles for B. Wolfe, G. Wolfe and Sallis really separate fiction of their own? This is like the Oliver Onions issue where a couple of his stories were known as "Two Trifles" but each had its own title, Ether-Hogs and Mortal, and nobody ever agreed how they should be entered so some collections have the umbrella title entered and some the individual titles. Problem is that most of Ellison's books are PV so deciding how these 3 problematic authors' stories should be entered might be a problem. Certainly at least the Sallis should be entered because as it is now it looks like they only appeared in 2 widely separated editions when they probably appeared in all of them. Also, the cover by the Dillons was used on a lot (all?) of these E-Reads editions; I remember mentioning this a long time ago but I don't think I got an answer so if anyone knows what the first use of it was then I guess all the others will need to be made a variant of it, right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:20, 20 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Giant Bones ==<br />
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[https://www.google.com/search?q=0613068173&sca_esv=575507320&tbas=0&source=lnt&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi7toDLrIiCAxW3EVkFHcGmC_kQpwV6BAgDEBE&biw=1366&bih=667&dpr=1]; https://archive.org/search?query=beagle+giant-bones&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22; I added a link in a PENDING edit for the uploaded-in-2011 copy on Archive.org but the 2023 one has a different back cover with an ISBN that only shows up in the Google search linked above in 2 places, Archive.org and Amazon.de (with no real info except "library binding" but no such edition is mentioned on the copyright page). So if anyone knows what that copy really is, book club or something else, reply here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:09, 21 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Fantasy Worlds of Peter ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?28517; Note for Del Rey original edition says S. in author name isn't on title page so it (and possibly the later Del Rey edition) shouldn't be a variant but merged. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:54, 21 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:The pub author for the verified 1979 Del Rey was already Peter Beagle. It was under the wrong title record. I unmerged it and merged it with the correct one. There is an additional problem that, while these pubs are credited to Peter Beagle, the interior contents are credited to Peter S. Beagle. Unless the contents had separate title records that had the middle initial, the contents should also be without the initial. I will ping the verifiers and point them to this discussion. Once they chime in, I will make any necessary changes. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:59, 22 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Agreed. We should drop the middle initial for the contents. [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 09:40, 22 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yes, I see where the initial should be dropped. Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 22:30, 22 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Publications' contents have been updated to be by Peter Beagle as per standards. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:33, 30 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Server downtime -- 2023-10-22 at noon EDT ==<br />
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The ISFDB server will be taken down for maintenance at 12pm server time (EDT). It should be back up within 15-20 minutes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:03, 22 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The server is back up. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:20, 22 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Irene Adler series by Carole Nelson Douglas ==<br />
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I was adding ebooks to the titles in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?5659 Irene Adler] series by Carole Nelson Douglas and am surprised that they are NOT marked as non-genre. They are definitely mysteries but on the face of it, I don't see any elements in them that would make them be included as genre titles, save perhaps the short story "Dracula on the Rocks". Would there be any objection to my changing the other titles to non-genre? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 13:57, 22 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Checking the record number of the first edition pub, I see that it's very low. It means that the data was entered during the ISFDB 1.0 era, before we had the "non-genre" flag. I think it's safe to change the titles to non-genre.<br />
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: I am more curious about [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?11029 ''Fair Wind, Fiery Star''], which says "Non-genre", but the synopsis mentions a "mysterious Dutchman, a mystical sea captain". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:20, 22 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: P.S. I have checked the last page of ''Fair Wind, Fiery Star'', which mentions the "mysterious Dutchman". He is described ambiguously before he disappears. It's not clear whether he is real or a figment of the protagonist's imagination. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:28, 22 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: P.P.S. I have updated the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?11029 ''Fair Wind, Fiery Star'' title record], added the first (abridged) edition and changed the non-genre flag to 'No' until we can find more details. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:43, 22 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::I have changed the titles to non-genre. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:39, 22 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5794782. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:11, 22 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Approved, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:22, 22 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Farnol's Shadow ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5795005; If anyone wants to read Great Quietude in the 1970 reprint and decide whether it counts to be here then the rest of the stories can be deleted; he wrote a lot of pirate-related stuff and is one of those authors, like W. W. Jacobs, who stuck a few of his horror stories in between their "serious" fiction. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:34, 22 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mary Elizabeth Braddon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?78925; https://archive.org/search?query=%22Benyon%27s+Entanglement%22; After adding a link in a PENDING edit to a Vault of Evil review where it's mentioned that Braddon's story "Colonel Benyon's Entanglement" seems to be missing the ending in its reprint in a recent British anthology I looked on Archive.org to see if anyone had uploaded the original magazine serial and didn't see anything but did find that it is included in those two collections linked above (it's on pp. 291-337 in Meeting Her Fate and is spread across both volumes of The Dreaded Guest) and neither of which is on ISFDB although the story "The Dreaded Guest" is in another collection. So if anyone has the anthology and wants to compare the endings to see if it is really missing or if anyone wants to enter those 2 collections and possibly variant the story titles to one of the dozen names she was published under, please do. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:39, 23 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Midnight Tales Discussion ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rosab618#Midnight_Tales; I think I got this figured out correctly, right? EDIT: See also https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Boskar#Cockburn. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:03, 23 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Fantastic Fiction Images ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5796104; I get a scary error page when I right-click and open the old image. Anyone else? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 01:41, 24 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: When I try to access http://img.fantasticfiction.com/images/6/32797.jpg , I get the following error:<br />
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: The key word in this message is "CloudFront" -- see [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_CloudFront this Wikipedia article] for a somewhat technical summary of what it does. At the most basic level, it's an Amazon service that serves as a front end for many Web sites, in this case Fantastic Fiction.<br />
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: Normally I would expect CloudFront to redirect "http" links to their "https" counterparts automatically. The fact that it doesn't do it suggests that it isn't configured that way, either due to a human error or to technical issues that CloudFront or Fantastic Fiction may be experiencing this week. Since we need to change all FF-hosted "http" images to "https", it shouldn't be a big deal. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:07, 24 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: I believe I have changed all FF-hosted author images from "http" to "https". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:14, 24 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Argos Award / Prêmio Argos ==<br />
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I have another award suggestion for the Award Directory. I had another suggestion a few posts above (I believe it got lost among the other submissions), but I think this one should be added because it's the oldest/most traditional award given to speculative fiction in Brazil. I collected the necessary information below, including their links (their website is having problems, but it can be seen [https://web.archive.org/web/20230130054838/https://www.clfc.com.br/ here]). The award is organized and voted by the members of CLFC, a Brazilian association of readers and writers of speculative fiction. It started in 2000 and is still ongoing.<br />
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* '''Short Name:''' Argos<br />
* '''Full Name:''' Prêmio Argos / Argos Award<br />
* '''Awarded For:''' Speculative fiction originally published in Portuguese.<br />
* '''Awarded By:''' Clube de Leitores de Ficção Científica, a Brazilian association of readers and writers of speculative fiction.<br />
* '''Poll:''' Yes<br />
* '''Covers more than just SF:''' No<br />
* '''Website:''' [https://clfc.com.br Website], [https://twitter.com/PremioArgos Twitter]<br />
* '''Categories:''' Melhor Romance (Best Novel/Novella), Melhor Coletânea/Antologia (Best Anthology/Collected Works), Melhor Conto (Best Short Story/Novelette)<br />
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The category Romance (not to be confused with the genre; its how novels and novellas are called as a format in Portuguese), as mentioned above, includes both novels and novellas, while Conto includes both short stories and novelettes. [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 16:29, 24 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: It looks like a pretty solid candidate. Twitter [https://twitter.com/safety/unsafe_link_warning?unsafe_link=http://clfc.com.br warns] that their Web site is currently unsafe, but the [https://web.archive.org/web/20230130054838/https://www.clfc.com.br/ Wayback Machine version] appears to be comprehensive, so we should be able to recreate nominee lists. (They also have a [https://www.facebook.com/premioargos/?locale=pt_BR Facebook page], but, apparently, it hasn't been updated since 2019.) I am not sure how many nominated titles the ISFDB database may be missing, but it should be doable. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:42, 24 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Their website has been wonky for a while, so they mostly publish their results on Twitter and on their closed group, but I'm confident I can find most of the nominated works. Thanks! [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 18:56, 24 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: If the award type is created, just a heads up that I mistranslated one of the categories (I originally spelled it "Collected words", but its "Collected works"), but already fixed it. [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 22:59, 28 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: If there are no objections by the end of the weekend, I will create a new award type on Monday. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 23:24, 28 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Great! I'm already working on adding at least the winners who aren't already on the Database, and slowly the rest. [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 11:32, 30 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?113 All done]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:52, 30 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: Thanks! Just a question: I'm already adding the award to titles ISFDB already have, and doing so I realized Argos is really erratic with the nature of their finalists: some years they release it like the Hugos, with first, second, third place and such, but others they just release the winner and the finalists, with no tiers among the finalists. How should I approach this? In the years they don't release the tiers, should I just put "1" for the winner, and "finalists" for the finalists? [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 16:10, 30 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::: Yes, that's how we usually handle inconsistent "poll" awards -- see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_category.cgi?315+1 this list of "John W. Campbell Award for Best New Writer / Astounding Award for the Best New Science Fiction Writer" nominees for 1973-2023] for an example. {{FR|1086}}, "Change the award year field to a drop-down list", if implemented, may help in this area, but for now it's our best bet. Thanks for working on these awards! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:30, 30 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::: Perfect, thanks, I'm already on it! Just a heads up, I suggested another award a little above (Ladies of Horror Fiction, a week or so before I mentioned Argos), could you check if that one is worth cataloging here? [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 00:45, 31 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::: Done. Sorry about the delay: the first and last days of each months are usually very busy on my end as I run monthly backups, enter new light novels, etc. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:17, 1 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::::: No problem! Thank you for the hard work. :) [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]]) 00:28, 2 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Adventure House ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?3836; Should the 1936 item be under an alternate publisher name? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:51, 24 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: It's very likely a carryover from the 2006 facsimile reprint edition, which has been primary verified by one of our editors. I have left a note on [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:MLB#New_Mystery_Adventures.2C_February_1936 his Talk page] to see if the reprint includes a page with the name of the original publisher. Thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:30, 24 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: The record has been updated based on what we currently know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:41, 24 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Odyssey Publications ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?26323; I have PENDING edits adding archived links to the first 5 on that list. URL for the item missing ID suggests it should be #4 (PV just forgot?) and ID for #9 was entered without a space between letters and number like the others; which is correct? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:51, 24 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Remember the Alamo! ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5797826; I added an archived link in a PENDING edit, someone's note mentions partial signature, it's more visible here, https://www.ebay.com/itm/364244986997, it could be one of a few Charter artists already on ISFDB or maybe someone else entirely, anyone recognize it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:19, 25 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Arbor House Treasury of Nobel Prize Winners ==<br />
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Does anyone own the TP of the above anthology? Because the HC on Archive.org has Charles G. Waugh on title page, not Charles Waugh. Price, page numbers for stories entered and decision on whether other stories qualify, entering of preface, better cover, etc. also needed. TP seems unfindable online (wow, unfindable is a word, I thought spell-check would red-line that). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:06, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I could ask Charles if he still has a copy of the trade paperback if no one else has it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:59, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK. I have a PENDING edit adding the HC. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:46, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Diploids ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?37801; Open Library has a record for the Gregg edition of K. Maclean's collection but the link is for a copy of the 1953 novella. I added the link to that novella just for the heck of it but noticed there's some discrepancy with titles among various editions; note in Gregg says it's a reprint of Avon but 1 story in Avon is titled "The Pyramid in the Desert" while in Gregg it's the alternate title, "And Be Merry...". Also, Manor has an alternate alternate title, "And Be Merry". So does anyone own the Gregg who can verify what it says? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:15, 27 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Season of the Witch ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5799039; I entered the 1985 printing of Jack Martin's (really Dennis Etchison) novelization of the 3rd Halloween movie last year and today came across the 1984 one hiding on Archive.org so I entered it. They used the same ISBN for 1982 and 1983 but the last 2 are different from it and each other. If anyone owns a copy, please check because this may have had printings well after 1985. EDIT: I remembered that I entered a later edition of #2 last year, too, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?868156, so that may also have other printings. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:58, 27 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Executioner ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?950765; This is on eBay, www.ebay.com/itm/324711912241, but there's also an archived copy, https://archive.org/search?query=%22Paradine%27s+Gauntlet%22, which has the same copyright page but price is $2.50 on front cover and in barcode on back cover. How can you tell what printings these books are? Is there a gutter code or something? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:09, 27 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Darkening Island Cover Artist ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251927; I added archived link to 1972 HC of this book in a PENDING edit and noticed someone entered PB cover artist with one name but wrote another name in the note. I blew up the image but it's so blurry and the signature so crappy it could be either one. I searched for "Manor Books" and book title and got 1 hit...ISFDB. So if anyone can see a copy and verify what the signature really is one of those names will need fixing. There's no Friere here and several Freire but very unlikely that any of them could be this Freire. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:10, 27 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== All the Traps of Earth ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?283283; I added archived link in PENDING edit; it does not say "and Other Stories" on title page. Active PV AliHarlow, Willem, Dirk: the title may need changing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:42, 27 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Condors ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?19977; I added cover image for Rotunda in a PENDING edit; it's the only Condor PB without a price and I didn't see one anywhere in the archived copy so if anyone knows what it is, reply here. Also, the Roquard items are clearly by a different publisher which should be differentiated in some way. EDIT: Never mind, I got it, $2.25; Open Library cover, which is the same as Archive.org cover, is very scratchy but has bold colors; problem is it isn't framed well and the price info is off the left side. Bookscans has a clear cover with slightly less bold colors and some kind of weird lens flare on the left side but I could barely make out the price through the blinding light. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:41, 28 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== NL Psychoville ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?536129; Doing some more edits today for the recently deceased Christopher Fowler, couple of wrong covers, some other minor stuff, but the edition of Psychoville linked above only has this awful image, https://boekenbalie.nl/psychoville/463400609, online as far as I can see. If anyone can find a better one please upload it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:46, 29 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Roofworld Editions ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive54#Roofworld_Arrow_Edition; I added archived link to non-PV edition in a PENDING edit so I think PV edition could be deleted now. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:52, 29 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I would think that given duplicates where one has a primary verification, we'd want to preserve that verification. Especially when the verifier has been active within the last six months. My recollection is also that [[User:Unapersson|Unapersson]] has taken extended breaks in the past and returned. Hopefully, she will do so again. [[User:Chris J|Chris J]] who has a secondary verification on the other record and is active, can easily move the Locus1 verification. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:54, 30 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Authorship of Dune's map ==<br />
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While adding a new publication to the Dune title, I noticed that there's only one pub record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?728199 here] that has Matt Griffin as map artist (which is in and of itself doubtful as I couldn't find conclusive evidence that he indeed was the artist), instead of Dorothy deFointaine.<br />
Comparing [https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/059309932X?ie=UTF8&tag=isfdb-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=059309932X the map in the Ace edition] (see video where it says it's 'a redesigned world map of Dune') with the [https://www.reddit.com/r/dune/comments/vvplz/dune_map/?rdt=39862 original map of Dorothy deFontaine], there's almost no discernible difference between both. Since the statement 'a redesigned world map' is highly exaggerated, I'm thinking to attribute the unsigned map in the Ace edition to Dorothy deFontaine (and not to Matt Griffin) - what do you think? How should we treat these two map records? Any other way to treat these two art records? Suggestions? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 07:47, 30 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It's definitely redesigned, but not redrawn. The design of the map is quite different for the new one as it uses a lot of shading not found in the original, different labeling/fonts, and placement of somethings is a little different. That said, the copyright page credits the map like this: "Map by Matt Griffin, inspired by the original by Dorothy de Fontaine". Based on that, I think the new one should be credited to both of them, especially due to the many similarities. A not could be placed on the map title page explaining all that. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:46, 2 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks! Updated accordingly. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 08:34, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== B. Farthing ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5800896; The warning message "Proposed..." doesn't show up on Google when I search for it. Should I have rejected my edit or is it correct and I should do it again and ignore the warning or should Ben be the variant of Benjamin? I already have an edit making Benjamin an alternate name of Ben. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:40, 30 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Benjamin should be the variant of Ben, and then the title date for the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1138880 variant] should be changed to match its parent (since the variant is the name of the author). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:49, 2 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Done (I think). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:31, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== PVR ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=rosenkr&type=Name; Palie von is actually Palle von per contents page photo online, novel is not genre from what I can gather online, Palle Rosenkrantz story is not genre per online reviews, neither really belong here, didn't notice this until I'd already entered bio info for Rosenkrantz, cancelled my edit, I think both names should be deleted, probably other contents from 1960 omnibus and Martin Edwards anthology are not genre and should be removed, too (there's a note in the anthology's record mentioning this). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:30, 2 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Rageot ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=rageot&type=Publisher; I have a PENDING edit fixing/adding stuff re: someone else's recent edit for a book published by Rageot and I noticed ISFDB has records for that name which was on the title page and the longer name, Rageot-Éditeur, which was on the copyright page. So really all books should probably be merged under one name. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:30, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Science Fictional Solar System ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?32159; The UK HC & book club editions say Martin H. Greenberg on their cover, 2 eBay copies of book club don't show title page, does anyone own either edition who can verify what his name is on title page? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:28, 4 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Brad Steiger Stories ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5805263; I didn't change the dates of Steiger's stories but I think they're both wrong. "Detroit", being a variant title, should have the date of this anthology, I think, and "Huntsman" should have a 1966 date as copyright page says. Am I right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:01, 5 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Yes, titles are dated per first appearance of that form of the title. Updates made. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:51, 5 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Amazon WEBP Images ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_frontimage&O_2=contains&TERM_2=w%2Fwebp&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication]; After I replaced one a few days ago and another one today I did a search and it seems most (all?) of the images with the weird URL Amazon switched to for a while are now broken. Is there a batch fix or will they have to be changed one by one (there's several hundred)? Most are not PV. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:09, 5 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I see what you mean. There are 806 affected publication records, 30 of them primary-verified. I could create a script to change the URLs of the unverified pubs, then we could ask the primary verifiers to check their pubs. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:25, 5 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: I'm sure you've already got something that could be repurposed for this, but if not:<br />
:: https://github.com/JohnSmithDev/ISFDB-Tools/blob/master/tools/submit_edits_via_api.py<br />
:: You would need to update get_bad_pub_records() to pick up the affected records - plus any additional check to not pick up verified pubs - and the regex to fix them in the first line of generate_pubdate_imagefix()<br />
:: Then 'uncomment' the PUB_COVER_EDITS code in the __main__ section. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 05:01, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: There have been quite a few scripts to mass change URL structures over the years, e.g. [https://sourceforge.net/p/isfdb/code-svn/HEAD/tree/trunk/scripts/amazon_urls_to_https.py this one from 2022]. I plan to use it as a template later today. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:17, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::I was adding an Amazon author image for Maggie Allen and the URL is weird so I did a search, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=author_image&O_1=contains&TERM_1=m.media-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FW&C=AND&USE_2=author_canonical&O_2=exact&TERM_2=&USE_3=author_canonical&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=author_canonical&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=author_canonical&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=author_canonical&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=author_canonical&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=author_canonical&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=author_canonical&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=author_canonical&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=author_canonical&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Author], and these are also broken. I don't know if the batch will fix these, too. EDIT: This URL was fine, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5806113, which I got by searching for Amazon and the author's name in Google Images; however, on the author's Amazon page, https://www.amazon.ca/-/fr/Maggie-Allen/e/B00DXZNLOG, the URL is the broken one. I don't know what's up with all this but I'm sure someone else does. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:13, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: I have now manually fixed the "WEBP" author URLs. All but 2 were broken. Removing the "WEBP" part fixed all of them, although a few were "S" images, so they will be caught by the cleanup reports when they next run. I think it's safe to say that we should be able to removed "WEBP" from the affected cover scans programmatically. I'll work on it later today. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:13, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::Thanks. I added an image to Maxwell Alexander Drake's record and of the 4 images on his Amazon page (I think at least some people must be aware by now that only certain regional Amazon pages display all author images at the moment in the scroll bar or whatever it's called, Amazon.com and many others just show the main photo, and they seem to be getting fewer and fewer as time goes by; I find Amazon Canada and Amazon France are still good) 2 are WEBP and 2 are regular; it figures that the one I had to use wasn't as good as the others. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:33, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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=== Outcome -- WEBP images converted ===<br />
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All 806 "WEBP" images have been converted. Please let me know if you come across any issues. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:17, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== St. Martin's The Light Fantastic ==<br />
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https://colinsmythe.co.uk/terry-pratchett/discworld/discworld-novels/light-fantastic/; I was doing some edits for the few St. Martin's editions of Terry Pratchett's novels and I think this last one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?43074, doesn't exist. It should probably get the unpublished code for the date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:46, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Untouched by Human Hands ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5806259; Actual price was a bit different than what Tuck supposedly said but since Bluesman is gone if anyone else has the Tuck book and it really says 12/- then a note about difference on flap can be added after my edit is approved. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:38, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
: There is a price shown here: www.ebay.com/itm/115568098201 [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 22:07, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Faerie Tale ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=faerie-tale&sort=title&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22&and%5B%5D=firstTitle%3AF; While doing an edit for Raymond E. Feist (adding a note that he was born Gonzales, not Feist, and fixing his day of birth) I saw that, despite the dozens of editions of his great horror/fantasy novel Faerie Tale the only one archived is a Doubleday Book-of-the-Month Club edition which isn't on ISFDB! Open Library claims there are 2 previewable copies but whichever edition the other one was, it's gone now. So if anyone has one of those club indexes or wherever people get the dates/ID # from, you may want to enter this edition so at least there'll be one copy people can read easily. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:26, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:I've added the BOMC edition [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?978095 here]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:23, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Alan Burns ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?18958; I added cover image to Dreamerika a while ago and today added archived link to US Babel edition; SFE says "Babel" in New Worlds is an excerpt so I've added that word to the title. The issue now is SFE thinks all the other short stories are by a different Alan Burns (and probably the poems and essay, too). Does anyone know for sure? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:31, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Connecting books in an unnamed series ==<br />
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I'm currently adding two books where one is the sequel to the other, yet they are not part of a named series. Should I still add series to them (and if so what should I call it), or should I only make a not about it in the title note? /[[User:Lokal Profil|Lokal]][[Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil|_]][[:User talk:Lokal Profil|Profil]] 14:34, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:What are the books? Can you provide a link to them? Or have you not added them yet? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:52, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: One thing that we often do when two or more titles -- or two or more series -- are part of a larger, unnamed, setting is create a new series (or super-series) and use the word "universe" in its name. One example would be the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?42997 Baba Yaga Universe]. It contains 2 sub-series and one collection. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:05, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::: This is only two books {{t|3244057|Domens dag}} and {{t|978127|Råttorna}}. Calling it a universe feels a bit like giving it more credit than it is due =) /[[User:Lokal Profil|Lokal]][[Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil|_]][[:User talk:Lokal Profil|Profil]] 18:01, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: Hi! If you can't find a naming of the series or a general theme, I'd suggest to use in this case the title of the first novel, like it was done for the two novels in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?34751 this series]. (The second link you provided leads one to a piece of interior art ;-) ) Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:48, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::: If the two novels do share the same main character, there'd be the additional possibility to name the series after it, like it was done [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?19161 here]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:10, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::: Thanks for the many suggestions! I'll go with the ''title of the first novel'' suggestion as the main characters are not given a last name (if memory serves) and Peter & Anna is way to generic =). Appologies for the erroneous second link (that was the pub-id not the title-id), the intended one is {{t|3244058|Råttorna}}. /[[User:Lokal Profil|Lokal]][[Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil|_]][[:User talk:Lokal Profil|Profil]] 16:53, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pied Pipers ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1428017; I left Chavey a message about a city missing in their note about imprint on title page of Routledge edition (which I'd just added an Archive.org link to) but later saw that there was a more pressing problem; the title was wrong, missing a word and misspelling another. I later added another note about Warne edition also likely being wrong based on cover image. Looking further, I think the other 2 editions also have the wrong title; Rand McNally 1937 edition (Chavey's note says 1927, that may be yet another mistake) is on Archive.org and it says The Pied Piper of Hamelin on title page while there's no edit history for Harrap edition but notes are in Chavey's style. Problem is Chavey hasn't responded to any messages since May of last year. Any suggestions? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:28, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Their last activity in the database was on 2023-11-04, so only a few days ago. I suggest giving it a little more time for them to respond to the questions. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:33, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Geta ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?17102; I added a link to 1984-00-00 in a PENDING edit; 1985 2nd printing was edited by Hauck, hater of ISFDB, while RTrace cloned the 1984-06-00 but that date can't be right because the price is higher than 1985. There are 2 identical notes about name of publisher in 1984-00-00 and 1985 but neither was edited by the same person/people so some cloning/copying happened there, too. So publisher should either be Granada or Panther / Granada for all 3 and 1984-06-00 should either have a new date or all 0's for unknown; it also says TP, not PB, and likely has the same cover as the others so cover artist should be imported. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:48, 9 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Arthur Barker Edition of The Restaurant at the End of the Universe ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5809217; No idea why that obviously incorrect cover artist data was approved by a mod but I removed Kay and the word "Illustrations" from Litherland's credit. I assume the Amazon cover is the correct one because there's a few non-Amazon sites that show the same cover for that ISBN but the problem is Open Library has a 1985 date for the Arthur Barker edition (the only one out of 85 editions) but editor here has 1980 and ISFDB page for that publisher ends in 1980. This edition seems rare so if anyone owns it can you check to make sure date, price, page count (Open Library says 188, not 187), etc. are correct? I left PV a message but they don't seem to answer any questions. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:01, 10 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Letter From A Teddy Bear On ? ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:J-Sun#Letter_from_a_Teddy_Bear_on_Veteran.27s_Day; I doubt this editor will respond so if anyone else wants to say what the right way to do this is, chime in. I could have sworn this discussion took place much earlier but I see it was only last December and yet I added some weird image to my message, which I don't do, so not sure why I did that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:46, 10 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Varianted. Most common version used as parent per standard. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:26, 10 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Who Is Lewis Pinder? ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?976273; MLB recently PV Signet PB and I just replaced faded Amazon cover with nice Bookscans cover but I can't find a cover for the HC anywhere. If anyone else can, can you upload it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:29, 10 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Request to add German fantastic literature price: ==<br />
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Hi all, <br />
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after adding the German "DSFP" award, I would like to add now the "Phantastikpreis der Stadt Wetzlar", another German fantastic price:<br />
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Translation: The “Fantasy Prize of the City of Wetzlar” has been awarded since 1983. The prize is a literary prize endowed with 4,000 euros and is awarded annually for a novel. The prize honors works from all types of fantasy, from magical realism to fantasy science fiction, utopia and horror. Particular emphasis is placed on the fact that the fantastic element - similar to Goethe's “Magician's Apprentice” - also allows real life connections to appear in a new light. The prize is awarded by the city of Wetzlar in cooperation with the Wetzlar Fantastic Library. The jury consists of literary experts from Wetzlar and the surrounding area who have a close connection to fantastic literature.<br />
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Source (in German): https://www.phantastik.eu/ausschreibungen-und-preise/phantastikpreis-der-stadt-wetzlar.html<br />
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Forgot to sign it: [[User:Jannis|Jannis]] ([[User talk:Jannis|talk]]) 08:39, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I do think it should be perfectly eligible. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:06, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: I agree that it appears to be eligible. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:41, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Hearing no objection, I have created a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?115 new Award Type] and an Award Category for this prize. Please let me know if there are any issues with the new records, otherwise have fun entering the awards :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:54, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: Thats great! Thanks a lot Ahasuerus, I will add the books & authors of last winners of this price, and later link the price to their works. [[User:Jannis|Jannis]] ([[User talk:Jannis|talk]]) 05:16, 18 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pro Se ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=pro+se&type=Publisher; If anyone knows whether these are all by the same publisher some altering to bring them under the same publisher name would be helpful. They publish pulp-style stuff in all genres; neither of the books on Archive.org, https://archive.org/search?query=pro-se-press&and%5B%5D=year%3A%222016%22, are on ISFDB, Sushi Bar... likely has some genre-related stories, probably other eligible books by them out there. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:46, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: If memory serves, I used Amazon's Look Inside to look into "Pro Se" publishers/publication series at one point. Their books used a number of different forms of attribution and I couldn't figure out the logic behind it. Someone would need to do more digging to sort it all out. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:55, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Cyrano and Jules Verne ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=airborne+alan-c; I added 2 anthologies recently, imported genre stories into Skyriders in a PENDING edit, imported 3 genre stories (Kipling, T. L. Thomas, O'Flaherty) into Airborne but there's a couple of ancient excerpts (?) that are a problem. The Cyrano title doesn't match the one on ISFDB and there is no such title by Verne here. Searching for Verne title online only got 1 hit, https://www.mwbooks.ie/pages/books/307419/alan-c-jenkins/airborne-compiled-by-alan-c-jenkins, an Irish bookseller's page for Airborne. Typing a line of text from Verne's story got nothing online. I doubt this book found some long-lost Verne story so I assume it's just a novel excerpt. Does anyone know? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:41, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Anna's Archive has a downloadable copy. According to the Acknowledgements page, the Cyrano title is a "passage from Other Worlds by Cyrano de Bergerac, translated by Geoffrey Strachan". The Verne title is a "passage from ''From the Earth to the Moon'' by Jules Verne, translated by Jacqueline Baldick". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:15, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: The submission has been approved. The two titles discussed above have been added. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:38, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bellows ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?97465; I added FantLab photo in a PENDING edit, findagrave.com says Jeffrey, not Jeffery, and has "Kent" in quotes like it's a nickname but the grave says Kent Bellows, and what does the G. stand for? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:24, 14 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bizarrocast ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=title_webpage&O_1=contains&TERM_1=bizarrocast&C=AND&USE_2=title_title&O_2=exact&TERM_2=&USE_3=title_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=title_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=title_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=title_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=title_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=title_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=title_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=title_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=title_copyright&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Title]; I was going through the old horror webzine Rosewort, adding links (yes, I found ANOTHER D. F. Lewis story, "Aspen"), and the Ken Goldman story "Going Potty" had a dead link. Then I noticed that the Bizarrocast link in that story's record leads to a log-on page because the original site is gone, but the archived site hardly has any archived pages; I tried one from 2013, "How the Isle of Cats Got Its Name", and after waiting a long time for the page to load all I saw was Arabic (?) writing so even that seems to have been captured after the site was already dead. My link above searched for all title webpages with Bizarrocast in their URL and there's quite a few so if anyone knows whether there's a new site, say here. Otherwise, all those links should probably be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:16, 14 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Book storage and moving boxes ==<br />
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When I packed my book collection for an interstate move last year, I mostly used the 1 cubic-foot book boxes sold by U-Haul. There were a total of about 135 boxes. I have just finished unpacking the last of them and no damage occurred to any of the books. I particularly liked that they stacked nicely and were easy to hold onto while moving them around. They were especially useful for moving and storing paperbacks. Since there always a need to put some books into storage, I recommend using these boxes. Cheers! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 17:16, 14 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bloodlust and Fangers ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?118655; Today I was adding links to any stories on the old Bloodlust-UK horror site that are on ISFDB and they seem to have redesigned the site some time after 2005 because there were a couple of links that had different URL's for the same stories. I did get quite a few links, including at least one that was published earlier on Bloodlust than what the note on ISFDB says and two by the same author that were supposedly original to one of her collections but were actually published on Bloodlust more than 10 years earlier, and was feeling pretty good about all that until tonight when I decided to see if the authors who got links had any other stories online nowadays, non-archived, and while looking for stories by Denise Sodaro this site came up, https://fangersinc.wordpress.com/tag/short-stories/, where they dumped most/all of the original site's stories without any note that I can see that these stories are nearly 2 decades old. I nearly cried at how much faster I could have added links from Fangers instead of trawling through the old site. Anyway, it seems they were collected in some recent Fangers anthologies; I feel bad for people paying money for these old stories that mostly shouldn't have been published the first time when online editors were hungry for content and would accept almost anything. However, there is one thing that could lead to something interesting; this guy, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?118655, seems to have plagiarized at least one story, "Jumpers", which I added a note to some time ago with an explanation of who actually wrote the story. His other ISFDB story is in an anthology that I read via Interlibrary Loan years before I was an editor here and I can't remember a word of it so no way to tell if that's original. Bloodlust had a story by Michael Steinberg, "Life, or Something Like It", but this Fangers site calls him M. O. Steinberg even though he was already using the M. O. name back when the original site was active so why he went by Michael is anyone's guess. I typed a line of text from "Life..." on Google but got no hits so I'm not sure if it's original or another plagiarism. So if anyone owns the anthology Dreaming of Angels and can read Steinberg's story or reads "Life..." and recognizes it as being by someone else, can you let us know? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:11, 16 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Mark Powers - two different people ==<br />
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Currently for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?22424 this author] we have a bunch of UK juvenile titles, and some Jim Butcher/Dresden Files comics. I'm reasonably sure these are two different people: [https://www.theshawagency.co.uk/mark-powers here] is the agency page for the former, and [https://www.simonandschuster.com/authors/Mark-Powers/202304451 here] a publisher page for the latter, with neither page acknowledging the other work.<br />
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Unless anyone objects, I propose to split these off, probably making the second one "Mark Powers (comics)" unless there are better suggestions. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 13:54, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:I agree. [https://dresdenfiles.fandom.com/wiki/Mark_Powers This] is a page showing a pic of the ''Dresden'' comics writer. Definitely not the person shown in the two Twitter/X profiles on our author page. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:00, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:: The Dresden Files comics should now all be switched over to the new author record. Thanks for confirmation! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:59, 19 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Twitter changed to "X/Twitter" ==<br />
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I am seeing more and more references to "X" instead of "Twitter". I have changed the way third party links appear on bibliographic pages from "Twitter" to "X/Twitter" to reflect this. It's a trivial change, so we can always tweak it again if the name changes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:46, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Darrell Awards ==<br />
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https://web.archive.org/web/20120908050157/http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~timgatewood/sf/darrell/DarrellWinners_Categories_96to12.pdf; I came across that while looking for something else entirely and since some here like entering new awards and this doesn't seem to be on ISFDB I thought I'd link it in case anyone wants to enter it if it's eligible. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:49, 19 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Final Frontier Cover ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?13334; I noticed there was a Greg and Gregory Brodeur here, made Gregory an alternate, made variant of one of his essays and merged 3 into 1 for the other essay (a variant will need to be made of that result after, I think), noticed 1st printing of Final Frontier '88 US PB was on Archive.org so added a link, finally noticed BORIS VALLEJO is credited for a foreign edition but not for any of the others even though they have the same art, Bluesman who was PV of 2 editions is long gone so if active PV of US PB agree with PV, Welo, that added art (they didn't mention where they got it in their notes) then cover credit can be added to all with date of US PB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:00, 19 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:The German translation states Boris Vallejo as cover artist on the copyright page. But, i wouldn't take this as given for every other release without another source to verify. At the time the german publishers weren't the reliablest for infos on the copyright pages, they had sometimes wrong infos (copied from previous pubs, but not correct). I've stumbled over a few wrong ones over time. [[User:Welo|Welo]] ([[User talk:Welo|talk]]) 12:31, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== SFWA Bulletin ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?951170; I was doing Bruce McAllister edits and there's 1 Bruce McAllaster credit here (along with a correct spelling elsewhere in it) but SFWA.org says McAllister so probably a misprint by PV. Also, Gatherng should be Gathering, Nores should be Notes, etc. If anyone can see a real copy all of those can probably be fixed. I assume there are many other mistakes in the other issues of this bulletin since the same PV worked on most/all of them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:11, 20 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Book of Ballads Dates ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Ofearna#Book_of_Ballads; Does anyone agree with me that the 2004 contents should be November instead of October? They say they're original to this book in their notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:39, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Lecrivain ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=the+last+swan+prince&type=All+Titles; 2017 zine has no period after the C in her name, 2020 webzine does, story's title page will need to be seen to determine if 2017 really doesn't have it, then there should be a merge or a variant. Her other story in that zine doesn't have a period, either, according to ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:25, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ormazoids ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5816628; Since PV is deceased if anyone wants to add/fix anything mentioned in my note to mod, feel free. EDIT: Seems logical UK edition would have been first for a Who book so title date should probably be 1986-00-00 unless anyone can determine exact UK date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:56, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Patterns of the Fantastic II ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=%22patterns+of+the+fantastic%22&sort=title; Copyright page says December 1984, title page says 1986 in roman numerals, ISFDB says May 1985. If anyone knows what's the deal here they may want to add the link where appropriate and fix dates if needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:22, 23 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:The title page date is on a sticker that has been applied after printing. That sticker also has "Borgo Press". So it could be Borgo was selling copies for Starmont House or they made a photographic reprint and stuck their sticker on it. May 1985 is the date Locus1 has so that might have been the source for the {{P|287993|ISFDB record}}. Rtrace has secondary verified it with Clute/Nicholls and Reginald3. I will ping him to see if either of those might has some info to shed light on the situation. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:53, 23 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::Neither {{Reginald3}} nor Clute/Nicholls mention Borgo. The former has a 1985 date while the latter has 1984. {{P|283739|Chalker/Owings}} has the 1984 date. {{P|320234|BP 300}} has 1985. This is probably due to the difference between copyright and publication dates. Also from ''BP 300'', Borgo acquired Starmont in March 1993 after having purchased Starmont's Contemporary Writers Series in 1991. If I had to guess, the sticker is likely a cancel of the Starmont publisher and perhaps the 1986 date is due to a typo (VI vs IV). With that scenario, the sticker was likely added sometime after 1993 when Borgo purchased Starmont. Chalker/Owings does note that the purchase included Starmont's back stock. Regardless, if we decided to add a new publication record for the Borgo cancel of Starmont, I don't think we can date it exactly and I'd recommend using the unknown date. Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:13, 23 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::I made the following changes:<br />
:::*Updated the Starmont House editions with the stated publication date as per ISFDB standards. I also included a pub note on the secondary source dates and a statement that it was likely not out until after the stated publication date.<br />
:::*Cloned an undated Borgo Press edition with a statement regarding Borgo Press buying Starmont House backstock & the uncertainty of the Roman numeral date's meaning.<br />
:::*Added the contents.<br />
:::--&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:21, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Philip K. Dick Reader ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1365790; I cloned an 11th printing and publisher is Citadel+Kensington like 2016 but cover is same as 1997 which says publisher is Citadel Twilight; does anyone own a 1st printing who can say whether it says Twilight or if 1997 should be changed to Kensington? Twilight books had a certain bluish look about their covers and they say Twilight on the cover which this book doesn't. Per note on ISFDB Twilight ended in 2000 so it's possible it was a Twilight book and it was only mentioned inside. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:46, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== ASIN ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?966441; Clicking US ASIN leads to a different magazine; I don't know if that happens often or not but I thought I'd mention it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:07, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: There are two ISFDB records sharing the same ASIN, "B0CDQWPL1Z":<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?966441 Dark Hall Press Cosmic Horror Anthology]<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?966438 Savage Realms Monthly, August 2023]<br />
: Their respective Edit Histories show that the 2 pubs were manually entered by the same editor on the same day. Most likely it was a copy-and-paste error. I have corrected the erroneous ASIN; thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:17, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Salt Is Not For Slaves ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=salt+is&type=All+Titles; I can't find a copy of 1931 Ghost Stories issue where it says E. W. supposedly, can confirm it's G. W. in Book of the Living Dead (added link in a PENDING edit from OL-only no-search copy). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:19, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Rustin Parr ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36131; Title was entered in 2011, I've made 3 edits (one in each of the last 3 years), and only today noticed the title was wrong; it's Confession, not Confessions. Fixed that in a PENDING edit and while doing so noticed there are 2 foreign editions, https://archive.org/search?query=%22rustin+parr%22+stern&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=year%3A%222000%22, in case anyone fluent wants to enter those. I also have an edit adding UK Boxtree 4th printing of The Blair Witch Project: A Dossier by the same author; there is a HC book club (?) edition of the Onyx edition on Archive.org but I didn't bother with that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:29, 26 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Khaw & Kadrey's ''The Dead Take the A Train'' ==<br />
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Re. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3070028 this title], I propose deleting the pub dated 2022-09-27. That was the original publication date, which was pushed back a full year. I have added this detail to the notes for actual pub when it was released (2023-10-03), so the earlier pub record is now redundant. Any objections from anyone? [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 07:43, 27 November 2023 (EST)<br />
: Would it not be better to make [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Date the pub date 8888-00-00], rather than deleting the record? That way the ISBN is still in the database in case anyone else tries adding it in future? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 08:36, 27 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::Yeah, that sounds sensible. Done. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 15:49, 27 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== ayaz daryl nielsen ==<br />
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Are there any objections to using lowercase for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?162023 Ayaz Daryl Nielsen]. I have never seen him credited any other way. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:01, 27 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Hearing no objections, the change has been made. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:31, 3 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Eichner ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=m.+eichner&type=Name; While adding links and other stuff to E. Everett Evans books I noticed Eichner shows up twice as an illustrator and I assume those are the same people which would mean a variant is needed. Also, Eichner's birth date is off by 10 days from Wikipedia and most sites seem to agree it's 9, not 19, so the day may need changing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:38, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Disabling the Synopsis field for Variant Titles ==<br />
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Back in April 2022 "Make This a Variant Title" [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive52#Make_Variant_and_Synopsis_data 2022-04-30 was modified] to move VTs' Synopsis data to their parent titles. A new cleanup report, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?328 Variant Title with Synopsis Data], was created at the same time.<br />
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The original plan was to:<br />
* clean up any titles found by this cleanup report (1,600+ at the time)<br />
* confirm that there were no scenarios where a VT needed to have Synopsis data<br />
* change "Edit Title" to disable the Synopsis field for VTs<br />
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The first step was never completed, so the process stalled. I have now processed/corrected around 50 (out of 1546) affected title record. It is as we suspected. Most just needed their synopsis data to be moved to the parent titles. Some needed two synopsis entries reconciled. A few were in error, e.g. there was Notes data in the Synopsis field or vice versa. A few Synopsis values were using a language other than English, which is explicitly not allowed in Help.<br />
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Based on the above, I think it's safe to change the software to disallow entering Synopsis data for VTs. If there are no objections, I plan to work on it over the next few days. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:03, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Will this block adding a synopsis to a serial title? In at least [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3129077 this case], each of the serial titles is a separate novella that could justifiably have its own synopsis. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 21:57, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: That's right, the proposed change would prevent Synopsis values from being added to SERIAL titles. I don't think it should cause significant issues since semi-standalone SERIALs are rare and could be handled the way we handled {{A|George Lowther}}'s [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?16699 ''Superman'']:<br />
::* Chapters 1-2 describe Superman's planet of origin, Krypton. Chapters 3-5 deal with Clark Kent's childhood with his adoptive parents. In chapter 6, Clark goes to Metropolis and gets a job with the Daily Planet. The remaining eleven chapters deal with a mystery involving ghost ships and Nazi spies.<br />
:: [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:53, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::That's what I thought. Hmmm. I don't think that would work in the case of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3129077 Last Stand] since each of the installments (Episodes) are approx. 20,000 word novellas which have differing focus characters within the pseudo-TV series framework and the summaries should be more than a couple of words each. I'm not convinced it is truly a serial anyway. [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Anniemod Anniemod] set this up initially and I've been following suit since. I could just as well see this as a series called <i>Last Stand</i> with the individual novellas as normal Chapbooks/Shortfiction titles. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 12:52, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: If they have different focus characters and different plots requiring different synopses, then I agree that they sound more like linked stories than a serialization. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:09, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::I'm the only PV for these. On deeper examination, I believe they are linked stories, not serials. I'm going toss a note to Annie and then convert these from serials to shortfiction, unvarianting the titles, and grouping them under the series <i>Last Stand</i>. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:37, 3 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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=== Outcome: Software has been changed ===<br />
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Hearing no further objections, I have changed "Edit Title" to disallow entering Synopsis data for variant titles. [[Template:TitleFields:Synopsis]] has been updated as follows:<br />
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* A synopsis can only be entered for canonical titles. The software won't let you add a Synopsis to a variant title.<br />
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If you come across any issues, please let me know. All that's left is cleaning up the remaining 1400+ VTs which still have Synopsis values. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:15, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: There was a minor bug in the associated cleanup report. It was causing three valid title records to appear on the report. The bug has been fixed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:54, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Nightly cleanup reports fixed ==<br />
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It turns out that the recent addition of a Notes template with an apostrophe in its name -- [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Using_Templates_and_HTML_in_Note_Fields "Achevé D’Imprimer"] -- broke the automated nightly process which regenerates cleanup reports. The software was fixed a few minutes ago and everything should be back to normal tomorrow morning. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:12, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== New superseries for Glynn Stewart's Castle Federation ==<br />
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Would anyone object if I create a new superseries named <i>Castle Federation Universe</i> which would have the existing series [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?42767 Castle Federation] as subseries #1 and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?65374 Dakotan Confederacy] as subseries #2? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 18:14, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: No objection -- book covers and Goodreads reviews confirm it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:09, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Done. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 21:52, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Julie Novakova/Nováková ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?195102 The page for this author] has "Novakova" in her name, and states '''uses accentless spelling of her surname for foreign publications.'''. However I just checked [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ship-Whisperer-Julie-Nováková-ebook/dp/B08F3S7J9L/ her collection] and [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Rosetta-Archive-Notable-Speculative-Translation/dp/195106402X an anthology she contributed a story to], and [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Life-Beyond-Us-Original-Anthology-ebook/dp/B0BNZ7M4F7/ an anthology she co-edited], and all use "Nováková". I assume these should at least be a variant, but I don't have the privileges to see who might have added that author note, in case they can shed any further light?<br />
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(Also, "foreign publications" seems a bit Anglocentric, especially in conjunction with a Czech author?) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:38, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ghosts of the Chit-Chat ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?869953; Contents #1, #4-7, #9, and #12 are not original; they're much older stories with at least one (Tatham) being under a different name (H. F. W.) and title ("Phonograph Bewitched"), plus a couple of authors that are not already on ISFDB (although J. K. Stephens may be James Stephens who is). If anyone owns this or knows where to get a look at the full text some fixing/merging is needed after determining what names and titles are actually used in it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:02, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Best of John W. Campbell ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1212025; I have a PENDING edit adding Archive.org link to '76 US PB and another edit adding month to intro but the afterword has a variant with neither having a month. PB doesn't actually say afterword on that essay's title page so this may be a false variant that needs merging into one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:26, 4 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Best New Romantic Fantasy ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?29658; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5827168; Re: this series, I don't think #3 was ever published like a lot of announced Juno books. There's almost no info online, nobody ever entered contents, etc. I think it should get an unpublished date here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:58, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Sanjulian ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?914; Should this be changed to Sarjulian and made a variant of his parent name? Because it's supposed to be what's on the page, not what PV thinks it should be. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:03, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Dutch Plot ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?28987; '79 Plot doesn't belong with the others. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:50, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Very Special People ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5828417; A copy of the rare 1977 horror novel The Soul of Anna Klane was uploaded to Archive.org earlier this year and I just came across it, it's a second impression so I cloned it, uploader messed up because the jacket is from an awesome book about circus people (or freaks as they were called back in the day) that anyone my age probably remembers reading or at least looking at the photos. Would anything by the author, https://openlibrary.org/authors/OL529624A/Frederick_Drimmer, qualify to be on ISFDB? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:59, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Is "Frederick Drimmer" the author of ''The Soul of Anna Klane''? The covers say the author is Terrel Miedaner. The only one from the list of Frederick Drimmer's works that looks like it might be includable is ''The Body Snatchers'', but it depends on what it's about. All his other works seem to be nonfiction about non-genre topics. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:33, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Other works by Miedaner that might be includable include [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/181242.The_Mind_s_I ''The Mind's I'', in which he has a story or essay (not sure which as the book contains both). It has a work by Stanislaw Lem in it. I couldn't find anything else by Miedaner that could be included. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:40, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Miedaner wrote the novel, Drimmer wrote dozens of non-fiction books including some about genre-related topics that I thought might qualify. Maybe someone will find one or two with something in them that can be entered. The novel seems to have had a lot of other editions not on ISFDB including some foreign editions with weird covers so maybe someone fluent could enter those. Also, the Mind's I book you mentioned is on Archive.org, https://archive.org/search?query=terrel+miedaner, in case you think that qualifies to be entered here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:55, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Gary Allen ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?87741; The author of None Dare... died long before the other works on his page were written so obviously by a different Allen; he has his own Wikipedia. However, I don't think there should be a variant but rather the novel removed because it's not really a novel, it's an anti-Communist diatribe by a member of the John Birch Society that's been reprinted endlessly. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:42, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Book has been deleted. Clear nongenre, nonfiction by a different author than the speculative fiction Gary Allen. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:16, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Twice Twenty-Two ==<br />
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https://openlibrary.org/works/OL103175W/Twice_twenty-two?edition=key%3A/books/OL26558953M; 2 copies, one searchable and one not, searchable one has a gutter code on p. 405, "03 N", which is not in the book club edition's note about gutter codes on ISFDB. Non-searchable one has no code. So if anyone knows how to identify dates from the code they may want to enter at least the copy that has a code. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:58, 8 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Schrecksekunden ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5830404; Does anyone recognize the cover I added? I'm almost sure I've seen it before on an English-language book; if so, artist is likely on ISFDB for that and can be added to this. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:44, 9 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:https://www.michaelwhelan.com/galleries/emergence/ and that conveniently also has [https://www.michaelwhelan.com/wp-content/uploads/fromtheheartofdarkness-cover.jpg From the Heart of Darkness cover]. Looks like we have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1727716 this]. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:05, 9 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:The PV of the affected pub is active and a moderator, so I pointed him at this. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:10, 9 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::The cover of [[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5830404 Schrecksekunden]] is correct. Regards Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] ([[User talk:Rudam|talk]]) 05:43, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Submission approved. Cover credit added to Schrecksekunden with a publication note specifying the secondary source & new cover art record varianted to the prior one. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:19, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Aiken's World Well Lost ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?915733; I don't think Joan published a book with this title but rather it was her brother, John, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?135, so Joan's record for that book should probably be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:06, 9 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Deleted. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:24, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pan Mystery Walk ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?556649; Someone just uploaded a foreign cover for Baal, one of Robert R. McCammon's novels, which led me to do some edits for other of his books (there's a lot left to do even though I've done many previously). There's a $75 Subterranean Press signed limited edition of The Night Boat which has been on Archive.org since April of last year which I somehow never noticed before so I added a link to that but the Pan edition of Mystery Walk only has a 2nd printing uploaded; the question is whether the 1st printing also says Stephen Crisp on back cover instead of Steve Crisp, which is what's on ISFDB. So if anyone owns a 1st printing (I don't see anything online except 1 eBay auction where they took photos of everything EXCEPT the copyright page) and it says Stephen then that needs fixing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:38, 11 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== International Polygonics Edition of Liars and Tyrants and People Who Turn Blue ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20274; I've made a few edits for this before but noticed today a copy was uploaded to Archive.org earlier this year so I added a link, replaced postage stamp-sized Amazon cover with their cover, and added LCCN (their site screwed up entering the title). However, the copy has a big thick sticker obscuring the cover art credit on the back; it seems to start with Kev so probably Kevin; no other books on ISFDB from the publisher have that in the artist's name so if anyone has/can find a copy can you let us know what the artist's name is? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:51, 12 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Brennan's Riddle ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?308567; Been doing some Joseph Payne Brennan edits and this one is odd; there's no content. Is it possible that it contains his 1964 poem "Riddle"? It's likely not a collection but a chapbook or something similar. I added cover image and FantLab ID in a PENDING edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:29, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Dedications in Poems ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5817418 this submission] to alter the title of {{T|1337626|this poem}} based on [https://www.sfpoetry.com/sl/edchoice/34.2-2.html this web page] from the magazine's web site. My question is whether "(For Edgar Allen Poe)" should be considered as part of the subtitle, or whether that is a separate dedication that should not be included in the title field. If we go with the latter, it could be added to the notes. My recollection is that poems occasionally have "For XXX" listed in a smaller typeface under the title though usually without the parenthesis. I don't think we usually include these as part of the title field. How do other folks feel about this. If there is disagreement, we can move this to the rules and standards page. Thoughts? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:50, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Personally, I wouldn't include this as part of the title. It is somewhat similar to the way some sources treat additional information, for example for series - like in The Death of a Hero (Star Wars), and it ''is'' a dedication. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:35, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Dedications are a common occurrence, I never include them in the title. If someone wishes to put then in the note section, I would not object. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:25, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pocket Pulse ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?269828; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251391; Should these very old entries by the late PV be changed to Pocket Pulse as the publisher so they merge with all the many others on ISFDB? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:08, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Martha Wells / All Systems Red - Code P1 ==<br />
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Some copies of the original tp of All Systems Red have a code "P1" underneath "First Edition: May 2017" on the copyright page. Other copies have no code; the corresponding area is blank. Does anyone know the meaning of this code? Some online booksellers says this code denotes the first printing (or first state of first printing) but this seems to be their opinion. Is there any independent, documented, verifiable evidence of its meaning? Secondly, how should this be recorded in the ISFDb? We have two records: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?723225 PoD] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?608522 non-PoD]. Should I create a new pub record for the P1 code version or should I just add a pub note to an existing record stating that some copies have this code? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:41, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Rich Grote ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?176753; I added, in a PENDING edit, archived site (online now is dead) richgrote.com and Behance page and wickedlocal.com article which revealed he's from New Jersey. There is a Rick Grote credit, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?112933, but his bio at various sites online says he started in 1976 while this book is from 1975. Also, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?123700, where one actually says Grote in the book while the other was not named but editor entered it from cover signature. So if anyone can say for sure that Grote or Rick Grote are Rich Grote then those can be made variants. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:42, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ash of Stars ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?102752; I was doing a bunch of James Sallis edits recently (links to several short stories, archived link to Shores Beneath, adding a massive collection from 2007 titled Potato Tree) and noticed this book about Delany. I don't do many edits for Delany because I can't stand him personally but I'm sure many people here like his work so I'll mention that the copy on Archive.org, https://archive.org/search?query=sallis+delany, the copy on Amazon.com and the copy on Google Books all have the same ISBN on back cover with the barcode saying 53950 which means price is $39.50 but ISFDB says $42.50. Also, ISBN is for HC supposedly but archived copy looks like TP to me. So if anyone wants to add a link to the copy and fill in anything else or change anything, please feel free. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:58, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Scheduled server maintenance - 3pm 2023-12-15 ==<br />
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The ISFDB server will be down for scheduled maintenance between 3pm and roughly 3:10pm server (EST) time on 2023-12-15 (today). [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:39, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: The server is back up. Thank you for your patience. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:08, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Brian Keith Evenson = Brian Evenson? ==<br />
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Any thoughts/objections on making [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?224599 Brian Keith Evenson] a variant of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ch.cgi?6382 Brian Evenson]? The former has just 2 pieces of short fiction in 1986 and 1989 (both with difficult to Google titles), which slightly predates the earliest work of the latter. Howevever (a) "K." is listed as the middle initial of the legal name of "Brian Evenson" (with [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/evenson_brian SFE] saying this it is "Keith"), and (b) the 1989 story was published by Brigham University, which Wikipedia says is where Brian Evenson got a degree and was later employed. Evenson's site doesn't have any detailed bibliography that might help clarify those two early stories are his. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:39, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:The source given for {{P|654878|The Leading Edge, September 1989}} is FictionMags Index. Checking them, they have these as the same author. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:50, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks - I've now set up variants/alternates for the author and two title records. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:37, 17 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Conan the Valiant ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?982255; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5836070; Added a few archived links to some of Roland Green's Conan novels, went backwards so first novel was looked at last, it already had a link added by someone last year, as can be seen in my edit above the cover is not the same as the later editions, any Ken W. Kelly experts who know his style can say if both are his work in which case art needs unmerging or if Tor mistakenly carried over Kelly's credit for the later art by someone else. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:07, 16 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== F. Piatti ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=co+piatti&type=Name; 2 credits for each, one should be parent assuming credits are correct; maybe they're all really spelled the same and someone just entered one or the other name wrong here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:38, 17 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Done. Thanks for this find! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:36, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Abridged editions? ==<br />
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Do we include abridged editions? I know we don't include dramatizations but the help doesn't seem to say anything about abridged editions. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:02, 17 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Sure we do! It's possible to add them to the general title (and add a note to the publication), or if the abridgement does alter the story in a major way to add it as a variant, or if another hand is credited for the abridgement to add it as a stand-alone title, like in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2918952 this title]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:44, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Thanks for the clarification. I've started to run across a number of audio items that have abridged versions but haven't been sure if I should add them. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:37, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: I have been told that abridgements are certainly accepted, but that they are never added as variants. How to deal properly with them was incorporated when dealing with translations, which are made variants but the difference in language makes it possible to distinguish them from name/author variations. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:39, 18 December 2023 (EST)</div>
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[[User talk:Stonecreek/Archive2|Archive 2]]<br />
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== Troubleshooting ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?593110 Here] exclusive for you.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:05, 14 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Many thanks for the hint, Wolfram! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:07, 14 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?366800 here]--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:11, 14 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Ah, that one looks okay. Maybe this is one entry that you can learn from. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:13, 14 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: Oh, that one looks not okay, not a good example to learn something, but a typical example for your excellent work, please find the typo.<br />
:::: But I don't want to take this to extremes, it's just a hint to first recognize your own mistakes before criticizing other users' mistakes. Good luck---[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 10:39, 15 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::: Well, I never stated to be perfect: in fact nobody is. Mistakes do happen, the aim should be to learn from them.<br />
::::: On typos: one shouldn't think that they will never happen again. They have a tendency to creep in. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:03, 15 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::::Still wrong, please look accurate.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:55, 1 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::::: Feel free to correct typos. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:10, 1 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Iluustrations in Perry Rhodan #547, 4th printing ==<br />
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Hi Christian, I have just received the info that apparently the fourth printing of PR #547 had a fan illustraion in addition to Bruck's work, references are [https://www.perrypedia.de/wiki/Benutzer_Diskussion:JL#unbekannte_Zeichner_von_Innenillustrationen here]. Illustration #1 on p. 27 would not be by Bruck, but the following two would the same two as in the first printing. As I don't own printing #4, perhaps you could check and make the resp. edits? Thanks, John [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] 06:51, 19 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks very much, John! I really did not take the signature into account: the illustration is IMHO very near to Bruck's style, and I thought it was a illustration by him that found no place with the initial publication, which I do think has happened before with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?559092 PR 308], p. 63. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:58, 19 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Peter Fischer Sternaux ==<br />
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Hello Christian, by adding two collections I create two entries for an artist:<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?318094 Peter Fischer Sternaux]<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?307185 Peter Fischer-Sterneaux]<br />
I'm not sure, but I think both are wrong or typos. The correct name should be '''Peter Fischer-Sternaux'''. I found only three hints: [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bb-Reihe wiki bb-Reihe], [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kompass-B%C3%BCcherei wiki Kompass-Bücherei] and [http://www.stiftung-plakat-ost.de/pers.htm East German poster artists]. Can you help me to add the hyphen to Peter Fischer Sternaux? Sterneaux will then be a variant of Sternaux. Thank you very much [[User:Henna|Henna]] 06:09, 30 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Sure! I added the hyphen. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:58, 30 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Atlan 216 -> 217? ==<br />
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Hi Christan, can you check {{p|804985|Atlan 216}}? It looks like the number needs to change to 217, otherwise there will be two pub records with 216. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 02:19, 29 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks! I'll take care of my error. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:31, 29 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan 18 (2.Aufl.) Note ==<br />
Hi Christian, now the note has been erased completly. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4831473] I'm wondering about. Are you prepearing a new note? Can you please check this again? --[[User:Norman|Norman]] 03:33, 16 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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: Hi, Norman. I just removed a now surplus note about the cover art being the same as with the novella's first edition (and the cover design, I guess) which can be seen now with your upload.<br />
: I agree that it'd be nice, though, to have ''some'' notes, but you seem to be more competent than me regarding statements made in the issue, having the issue at hand. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:40, 16 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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== {{P|789903|Exodus, #40}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I added the missing interior art, please take a look. Regards [[User:Henna|Henna]] 15:03, 16 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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:Oh, yes! Many thanks for that! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 22:42, 16 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Image:GRTMRCNSHR2002.jpg ==<br />
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I have restored [[:Image:GRTMRCNSHR2002.jpg]]. It is used in a publication and "non-genre publication" is not a valid deletion reason for a book cover. By rule, only non-genre magazine covers are prohibited. Non-genre book covers are allowed and we have plenty of them. This disconnect in the rules has been discussed a number of times with no resolution. It's been awhile since the last discussion so it may be worth starting another rules and standards discussion. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:38, 26 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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Okay, but this was what was told to me when I was a beginner here. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:05, 26 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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== {{P|789904|Exodus, #41}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I have changed a few things in this magazine. Please take a look and check the changes. I think now only the collage on page 54 is missing. Thanks [[User:Henna|Henna]] 16:36, 3 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:Looks considerably better now! Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:52, 3 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::No, I made some mistakes, now we have three duplicates. I will take care of it. What you think about p. 54? Sorry for the mess [[User:Henna|Henna]] 14:47, 4 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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==Changes by unknown==<br />
(moved to the end of my talk page) [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:07, 5 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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Hi Christian. I'm wondering about some changes which has be done by unknowe between my submitting and releasing by a moderator (which takes at the moment 1-3days). Example: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4848514]. I think a moderator is allthough confused about this circumstances. I've today cancelled myself some of my submitted tasks which should have runed into the void. As you know it's hard to wait with the procedure i has to work actually. It takes some days until a new magazine has been registrated in a propper way. But it is much more confusing if a third party doing some well-intentioned actions in the meantime. What is going on there? Is there perhaps a better way for me? I see you are working daily a you check my work, which is really perfect for me. Would it be perhaps a better way to do in the future some actions in a coordinated way together? [[User:Norman|Norman]] 04:06, 5 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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:Well, yes! Maybe I should wait for a time with actions: the reason this happens is that I tend to deal with things the moment I run across them. Working in some areas at the same time does lead into the danger to forget about things. But if you would like to work in an area for some time on your own, we surely can bundle our actions in a more coordinated way. So, what are your plans for the nearest future (for example the coming week?) Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:07, 5 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::Thank you for the explanation. At the moment, the long waiting time between the change request and its approval is my problem, especially if the facts have changed in between. In addition, there is a certain impatience on my part. Now I would like to complete volumes #51 to #60 in both the 2nd and 5th edition. Later also the issues 21 to 60 of the 3rd edition. The magazines are of course all in my possession. It would be of great and welcome help to me, for example, if you could briefly review my changes and perhaps if possible approve them once a day. Since you and me always have to carry out several steps into each other for a magazine and I don't want to lose the overview, I would concentrate 2-3 booklets a day. Would such a procedure be conceivable for you? [[User:Norman|Norman]] 03:19, 6 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::: Yes, I'll wait for your doings and perhaps review and add/change a few things later, if that's okay. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:33, 6 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::::It would be perfect! I'm always interested to learn how such few things which could be very special are handled here. But first i've to wait for the still pending edits. [[User:Norman|Norman]] 04:17, 6 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::::: It seems Dirk (P. Broer) handled all or a part of the necessary doings overnight. Please take a look which of them still need to be dealt with. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:54, 6 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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==PR 53 5.Auflage Essay==<br />
I've just submitted this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4852526]. I didn't found the essay at 3|3.1 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1639876 Das Perry Rhodan-Lexikon] in this magazine. I found 3 Letters instead. But i found the essay in volume #51 instead. But some minutes before i submitted for #51 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4852524 this]. Can you please check and do the fixing, or please tell me how to proceed? [[User:Norman|Norman]] 04:04, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:Perhaps the essay in #51 (by W. Voltz!) is not identical with the 'Werkstattbericht' by (Horst Hoffmann and Peter Terrid). I will check this! But anyway in #53 this has to be modified or deleted [[User:Norman|Norman]] 05:14, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
::Result of check: the Essay in #1154, #920(2nd) and #51(5th) are identical! And the authors are Horst Hoffmann and Peter Terrid. [[User:Norman|Norman]] 05:26, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::: Many thanks for the corrections! It seemed just logical to assume that the essay on the 'Lexikon' would also appear in this issue (#53). I updated the title per merging and also removed it from issue #53 (5. Auflage). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:19, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::::Never mind. I have to thank you for the help that accelerated this. Otherwise it would have taken days again. [[User:Norman|Norman]] 07:01, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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:::::It might even be faster to import titles that already exist in the database - for example illustrations. It's possible to select contents on importing, or to import specified titles (this is done by entering the title no. in the lower half of the import screen). Basically, if there's only one title to import, I use the latter option, and if there is more than one title to import from one other publication I use the first option: it just requires to remove titles from a publication if there are some imported that don't belong to it (for example in PR #52, 5. Aufl., there were only two of the original four interior pieces of art reproduced). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:10, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::::::Many thanks again. This is very interesting. I'll try this next. I didn't know this function before. :-) [[User:Norman|Norman]] 05:58, 10 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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==Raumschiff Promet and its publication dates==<br />
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Hi Christian, I'll be changing the publication date of your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?812248 #54]. The publication date of Astro Science Fiction #53 is stated as 14 November 1973 in #49. Cheers, John. [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] 15:28, 13 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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:Okay, many thanks for the info! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:03, 13 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== New Worlds 9 ==<br />
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Cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23789 this] is Mike Little. Credired on p.165 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?204909 this] publication. Almost certainly the same artists responsible for the cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23793 this] as well. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 08:21, 24 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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:Great find! Many thanks for the detective work, and have a merry Christmas! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:24, 24 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== John Taylor ==<br />
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We have been sorting out the various John Taylors and need a little help. Can you see [[User_talk:Username#John_Taylor|this discussion]] and let us know if {{P|4421|Beyond This Horizon}} provides any biographical information about the John Taylor that has a story (p116) and essay (p44) in it? We are trying to determine if they are the same person and whether they are from the UK physicist or the US author. [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/ISFAC/s313.htm#A4878 Contento] has both by the author. But the physicist supposedly did some science fiction plays and the essay title would align with a physicist. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:15, 28 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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: Sorry, there's no biographical information, but my best guess is that it's the British physicist: seems quite obvious for the essay, and the convention was something like a British showcase (with a bit of Continental Europe thrown in). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:53, 29 December 2020 (EST)<br />
::Thanks. I added title notes with that information. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:42, 29 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Driftglas in German ==<br />
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{{p|371550|Driftglass}} cover by Barclaw Shaw [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 02:57, 7 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks! (but the variant / parent is still missing). Christian<br />
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== Philip K Dick ==<br />
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Added missing series to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55525 this] as <br />
"Writers of the 21st Century Series" (as printed on front) to conform with the rest of the volumes. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 02:00, 16 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:Thanks! I missed out on that one upon verifying. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:55, 16 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Question ==<br />
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Hello, Rtrace.<br />
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I inserted the translation to the Portuguese (#819033) but in the summary of the author (#111330) appear like a new novel, not a translation. How to fix it?<br />
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How is the right way to put translations? Its a New Novel or Add Publication to This Title or Variant?<br />
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--[[User:Paulotecario|Paulotecario]] 09:48, 22 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Hello, and welcome! You seem to have misdirected your question (since I'm not Rtrace). <br />
:But to answer: The right way to add translations usually is to enter a publication of the translation (correct title per title page of the publication, author name per title page of the publication, fitting language, translator, and other useful data), and than (after processing), variant to the canonical title. (The exception is if a translation under the exact same title already exists, than one can use the Add Publication or Clone Publication links). <br />
:For that reason the novel by N. K. Jemisin appears to be unconnected to its parent: it still needs to be varianted (the feature to use is the 'Make This Title a Variant' link). Since the entry does need some fixing (capitalization of title, price denomination, additional notes), I'll do the fixing and varianting for you. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:08, 22 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The format ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Careful with formats outside of Germany: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?819037 this] is [https://www.amazon.com.br/dp/8580579430 Dimensões : 23 x 15.6 x 1.8 cm] and a 23 cm book cannot be a pb under ANY definition. :) I fixed it. Also - when you find issues as severe as the ones with this book, please try to leave notes around - in this case both the editor who added and the moderator should have been reminded of what is wrong here. Fixing it is all great but unless someone tells the editor and the moderator, we will end up with more of those (I just caught 5 more of them and cleaned them up on approval). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:02, 22 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry about the format: that one slipped through my radar surveillance. I had seen that you reminded the moderator about issues, and the editor was informed in the item just above this one (bare that false format I didn't pay attention to). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:44, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Well, a day later when they came asking :) It makes it easier to do it when the change is done - that way we do not miss these. :) I think we are all good now. Hope you are doing well! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:08, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Yes, I cope (as you'll likely also do): waiting for things to normalize the news came in that vaccination over here in Europe for the majority of people will take longer than expected, due to organizational & production complications, but otherwise health is still good in the family: no one got seriously ill so far. So it will take some more time of clenching one's teeth and staying calm. Hope you're doing as good as circumstances allow (or better). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:18, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: That's good to hear. :) Pretty much -- living in one of the biggest counties in this country (biggest in the state) and not being old enough means that I am stuck home for the foreseeable future - they will take awhile to get to me for the vaccines. It all shall pass - hopefully... Oh well - stay safe - people tend to get even more careless than usual if they believe the end is close and that can cause problems even for the ones who are careful :( At least I can work from home... :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:28, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
::::: I hope you stay healthy in all the time waiting: that's the important thing, I'd think! Over here the old-aged are the first in line when it comes to the cure, then the system-sustaining persons, and pretty much later we normalized ones are thought of. Thought it would be sometime in Spring when it comes to our group, but it seems it will get hotter than that ... - just hoping the barbers will open before that, else there'll be much sweating (and much blindsight). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:03, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Galery of Lem's star diaries illustrations ==<br />
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Hello Christian, [https://solaris.lem.pl/galeria/rysunki-lema here] you can see the most illustration from the Star Diaries. Regards [[User:Henna|Henna]] 06:12, 31 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:Thanks! That does indeed help! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:18, 31 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Overcorrecting again ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Please stop "correcting" things without even looking at the covers and title pages. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?61987 This series] is not called "Mack 'n' Me" but "Mack 'n' Me 'n' Odyssey". Because of that we cannot strip "Mack 'n' Me" from the titles unless you want to do an internal set of series but the numbering may go wrong in the future so leaving them as they are is the cleanest way. I just spent some time fixing these again. I will appreciate if in the future instead of just going and removing anything that has ":" in the title, you either do some research OR ask the editor who actually worked on these (or both) and if I do not need to spend time correcting corrections. Thanks in advance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:47, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
: PS: And the fact that you again changed someone's work without bothering to consult and/or at least notify the person is as unacceptable as it always had been. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:49, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: Just a reminder that ''all'' record types -- pubs, titles, series, publication series, authors, awards, etc -- support Edit History as of 2021-01-14. When planning changes to a record, you can now review record history to see who else has worked on it.<br />
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:: Due to the way submissions work, sometimes you need to check other submission types to see full history. In this case, the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/series_history.cgi?61987 Edit History page] associated with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?61987 this series] doesn't tell you who created it. However, you can use Edit History pages associated with the titles in the series -- like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title_history.cgi?2822131 this page] -- to see who added the series information.<br />
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:: Hopefully, this will become one of our standard operating procedures as editors become used to this functionality and help lower everybody's stress level :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:59, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: Sorry, but I took the longe name as some kind of pub. series (yes, then it should have been put into that field - it didn't feel quite correct also). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:05, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: Then come and discuss before changing. My edits are all over this series and all its books, I've spent enough time with it to have an idea what is what (plus this is a known pattern with some series lately...). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:25, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== {{T|1650396|Etemenanki oder Die Fundamente von Himmel und Erde}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, is this the same text like in {{T|2682309|Etemenanki}}? Here is the first paragraph [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/5/51/Simon_etemenanki.jpg of Etemenanki]. Thanks for looking it up [[User:Henna|Henna]] 15:21, 3 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Sure! I'll variant the title(s). Thanks, I just overlooked this. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:08, 4 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Secondhand Charm ==<br />
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What was with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4895041 this change]? Did you even look at the publication before making this change? I don't understand why you would change the credit on the verified pub without asking the verifier, but had you looked at the pub notes, it would have been clear that there are two separate artists involved. I restored the proper credit. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:38, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry for that! ... and I even don't know what it was that has driven me to that. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:48, 7 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Image:PRRRHDNMZT1985.jpg ==<br />
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[[:Image:PRRRHDNMZT1985.jpg]] was deleted by you, but it is still used in {{P|814576|this pub}}. Please check whether you forget to remove the image link or if it was used in multiple pubs and it is correct/incorrect for this one. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:36, 13 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Alan PETER Ryan ==<br />
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Alan Ryan started using his full name, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?144345], when he returned to writing in 2010. "Sexual Exploration Is a Crime" was published under his full name in 2019's Shivers VIII just like it was in Ryan's 2012 collection The Back of Beyond. It was never published as by Alan Ryan. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:35, 14 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:I'm inclined to believe you. However, the thing is that the title appears with the short name in a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?727940 primary verified publication]. So you have to ask the primary verifier first if this is an overlooked mistake, before we could accept this change. Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:17, 15 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Follow-up from the Moderator Noticeboard discussion ==<br />
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To follow up on the [[ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Abusive_Regularization|last Moderator Noticeboard discussion]]:<br />
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* As per the 2020 agreement, please limit your moderatorial activities to self-moderation until I change the software to support an explicit "self-moderation only" flag for editors<br />
* Please do not change the data in recently added/edited records without discussing it with the moderator who approved the submission. Doing so effectively circumvents the agreement and leaves both the approving moderator and the submitting user out of the loop.<br />
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These issues have been occurring for a long time now. Please make sure that they do not re-occur or else I will have to take administrative action. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 14:58, 6 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== La trama celeste ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Can you share your sources for your statements of "First printing" and "Apparent first Edition" which you added [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?580480 here] today? None of the linked sources (OCLC and LTF) claim any of that (the Trantor is a later reprint and was used to verify the contents), your edit had no moderator notes and no notes identifying where these statements are coming from. Did you miss to add your sources?<br />
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On a separate note (less important but still valid) - reordering the statements in a publication notes field to fit your idea of what goes where in the notes (you moved the sources statement from the top to the bottom) is disrespectful to other editors - we all have our own styles of writing notes and we do not enforce style in this field. If you want ISFDB to start enforcing style, please go to R&S and find support. In the meantime, please respect your fellow editors (unless you are verifying of course - if you are PVing and there are no other PVs, you can change the note anyway you want). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:06, 6 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry, but the missing information is vital for out db and follows for the edition from Wikpedia. <br />
:The printing is necessary to add for a db that goes to index different ones. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:39, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Can you please point to a source that identifies this as a definitive first printing? Because what you are describing is an assumed first printing - unless it is confirmed somewhere, there is a possibility for an earlier printing run in the same year that is different. Statements of printing which lack the qualification “assumed” should have a source. Your opinion that this must be a first printing is just your opinion and not a fact unless it is supported by a source (primary or secondary). Otherwise we become the source of that specific information - and being a source of unverified information is not what this DB is supposed to be. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:51, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:::I think it's quite clear that it's a first edition, but for the faint possibilty that there was a previous edition within the same year, I'll update the note.<br />
:::On the printing rank: unless you know that there's more than one printing of this edition within the same year it ''should'' be noted that our entry is for the first one. And if there are more printings in 1948 we should clarify it for the sake of an editor supplying a higher one. It's quite unlike you to make things more difficult for additional publications and to be content with stub notes. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:31, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:::: Re:<br />
::::* unless you know that there's more than one printing of this edition within the same year it ''should'' be noted that our entry is for the first one<br />
:::: it's the other way around. Like other statements that we make in Notes, we add an unqualified "First printing" statement if -- and '''only if''' -- we have a source indicating that the publication is the first printing of the given edition. That source can be either the publication itself or a secondary source. Without a source, we can, at most, enter "Assumed first printing" or words to that effect. This is explained in the "Printings" section of [[Template:PublicationFields:PubNote]], e.g.:<br />
::::* If there is no printing information beyond the edition date, and no specific "first printing" statement, it is likely that this is a first printing, and you can put "Appears to be first printing of 1974 Puffin edition." <br />
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:::: Checking the database, I see that you have created 9263 EditPub submissions with the words "First printing" in Notes. We will now have to review and, if necessary, correct all of them. I will be creating a cleanup script which will identify all affected publication records, both PV'd and unverified. The number of affected publications will be lower than 9263, but the cleanup process will still be very time consuming.<br />
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:::: This is a major issue. Given this problem with understanding core data entry rules and the previously discussed repeated issues with adhering to the terms of the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Stonecreek#Follow-up_from_the_Moderator_Noticeboard_discussion self-moderation agreement], I am suspending your moderator flag until this issue has been sorted out and software support for "self-moderation only" editors has been added. We will review and discuss where we stand once these issues have been addressed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:31, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::::: Sorry to disagree: when we know an entry for any possible printing (including the first) of a given edition would look the same as the one we have in the database, it ''is'' meaningful to denominate 'ours' as the first: this way we have the first printing in the db, and any further printing of that year will be listed after it, we have it clear that a possible further printing of that year will have to be added, '''and''' we have the general information visible that we go as deep as the level of printing in ISFDB. And if you refer to the possibility that the cover image might differ for a different printing: well, without a primary verifier or a dependable source for it, we don't even know if the image we display does represent the edition (or the specific printing). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:46, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::: This specific book is sourced from OCLC and LTF. You do not invent data that is not on the record unless you can explain it. Stating First Printing with no qualifiers means that we are stating that this specific book in these sources is the first printing definitely (if we know that but we cannot verify that the sources point to our book, the IDs should not be added to it (or if added, the note should explain that they do not state first printing) and the note on the sources should explain that they are possibly for a different version of the book ). There is nothing in any source to support such unqualified claim. So “Assumed First Printing” is the best that can be used. Anything else is a fabrication and essentially creating information that then can be used by someone else and considered definitive. If we fabricate information, we cannot be trusted as a dB. If you cannot understand that, I am not sure how exactly to explain it better. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:19, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:::::::: Those sources only would possibly index a first printing if it's stated in a publication (though not necessarily so). We do have a different policy: we state a publication as ''apparent first printing''. So it'd be okay to state a first printing until we know if it's an apparent or a stated one (most likely supplied by a PV). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:34, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::::: Can you please point to me where this policy is specified? Because Ahasuerus already posted above our rules and they contradict it. And any other rule I had seen had been clear: each fact added should have a source - the book preferably, a secondary source if not possible. We do not invent data. If we have a documentation mismatch that actually allows us to invent data we should fix it so we do not confuse our editors. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:56, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::::::: I'm pretty sure you propagated it in one of the many arguments with Wolfram, I just haven't found it by now. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:24, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::::::: I had said that it is ok to add "First Printing" with no qualifications and no support of any source (other books or online sources) or the book? Very unlikely but sure, find it, I will be interested to see that and we can see what exactly was said there and in what context. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:21, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:::::::::::: If my memory is correct, you stated that it'd be okay to state 'Apparent first printing.' (and we'd accordingly have to wait what is there in a yet unverified publication). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:34, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::::::::: You realize the difference between “Apparent/Assumed First Printing” and a non qualified “First Printing”, right? Had you used the first here, we do not have a problem. You used the latter and then went on explaining how that is ok. A person browsing the site and seeing the statement with no qualifiers won’t think “oh, this says First printing but does not say stated so this may not be one”, they will think “first printing means first printing”. That is the crux of the problem here. Reread again everything I said so far and the excerpt from the rules above - adding a statement is not the issue, adding an unqualified one is. And then when you updated the note you changed the edition line leaving the unqualified printing one in place. (I cleaned it up when I fixed the sources issue). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:04, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::::::::::: Well, okay! I see the benefit of stating the more cautious version for people not aware of the difference between PVed and non-PVed pub.s (or PVed but not thoroughly reviewed). I guess that's a case of deep-in-blindness. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:15, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::::::::::: Most people won't realize what the PV table means when the find the page online (we had had enough new editors that did not and they were here to edit). And implying that it is ok to just add whatever to non-PVd publications is a bit offensive to all the editors who had done a lot of work through the years piecing things together from secondary sources and being very careful to chase any sources (with different levels of sloppiness sometimes but we are all human) - I am aware that this is not you meant but I hope you understand what I am saying here. That's why listing sources and qualifications are important (and listing what from the sources does not match our record and why when we have sources disagreeing) - if we made a mistake because a source was mistaken, it is not so good but we had a source and we did not create a piece of information that is untrue; if we just added a statement which was mistaken/misleading, we become the source now - and before long all other sites will use our data even from unPVd pubs and uprooting these errors later is hard (just look at the Larry Correia birthday problem - we did not originate it but someone did). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:53, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Authors difference in publications and titles ==<br />
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I have two of your submissions on hold because they run contrary to the basic rules of data entry on the site ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4931312 this one] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4931313 this one]) - we do NOT change the title authors in such cases, we leave the title author as uncredited and then variant to a parent with the known authors. Our rules are very clear about that - the exact text from the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:TitleFields:Author help page is]:<br />
"If there is a publicly available source which identifies the uncredited title's author, it will be later turned into a variant title using the author's canonical name." (please note that this is part of the TITLE author field and there is no exception for EDITOR records).<br />
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However, before I rejected them outright, I checked the German magazines (which had been your domain for years) and this had been going for a very long time so I went digging to see if there is a reason for that. Unless I missed it, there had not been an attempt to change the rules to make an exception for the German language magazines (I already spent my Sunday chasing this so I stopped somewhere ~2013). The only time this was even remotely mentioned is [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard/Archive_18#Publication_Authors_That_Are_Not_the_Title_Author this Cleanup report] which had been implemented in the usual way (leave the big sets for the end so a plan can be made for them; it is regrettable that the report was never completely implemented but that does not constitute a change of rules - these records are still against the rules). <br />
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Is there a policy in some obscure place that I missed (and that needs to be added to the rules) or do we need to mount yet another cleanup effort to bring all of these records to policy? Thanks in advance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:17, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Well, that's the way they were entered at the beginning of entering the series (and it wasn't me who began that), and I just followed the example that was already there. I don't see any major problem with the way it is for those, since 'uncredited' poses no pseudonym. But we could also work through the lot, if you're there to do a lot of unmerging, merging and/or varianting. And if you prefer it: sure, we can install a cleanup report for it. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:31, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: I read this several times now. Are you really accusing me of starting these author mismatches? You know perfectly well that when I began with the Perry Rhodan series, I used a secondary source (Perrypedia) and tried to be as complete as possible. Any use of uncredited and starting the discrepancy between publication and title author is yours! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:03, 11 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: We already have a cleanup report for author mismatches, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?33 ''Publication Authors That Are Not the Title Author'']. When it was [[ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard/Archive_18#Publication_Authors_That_Are_Not_the_Title_Author|modified in 2015 to add EDITOR/MAGAZINE and EDITOR/FANZINE mismatches]], I mentioned that it was coded to "ignore[] German magazines because we have about 1,400 Perry Rhodan mismatches on file. Once the other 126 mismatches have been resolved, we can revisit the PR issue."<br />
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:: Unfortunately, the issue was never revisited, so now we have 5,375 mismatches, including 1,500 non-Perry Rhodan mismatches. Some are PR-related, including 434 Atlans, while others are not. Better late than never... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 09:14, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::: It won’t be that hard I suspect - two step process (create parent with the authors that are there now and then clean the authors of the current record (and fix both dates while at it) will clear a whole year of uncredited issues. The only unmerges needed will be when there are pubs credited differently. <br />
:::: Yes, mostly, but there are a few elaborate title notes that shouldn't be lost (or should be transposed). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:26, 8 March 2021 (EST) <br />
::::: So a third edit. :) Still Not so bad. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:29, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::: As for why we must finish the cleanup - we are a DB. Differences in data structures is a problem when one writes queries to find something - inconsistencies like that should have a very good reason. Being German and uncredited is not one of those unless we change the rules officially. :)<br />
::: Can I request an update of the report or should I do it over in CS? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:21, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: And is there a report for the case above: i. e. the 'First printing' affair? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:30, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::: Not yet - unlike the one here, that one is not preexisting... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:40, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
(unindent) OK - I approved both merges so their pubs are brought into where they belong and then fixed both of these title records to follow the way we handle uncredited publications with known authors from elsewhere. Just a gentle reminder - when you are making the yearly series, the date of it should be the year itself (so 1991-00-00) and not the date of the first issue. <br />
: PS: As you are the PV on a lot of them, we know who to ask but it will be extremely useful to add some notes on the series level ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?43528 here] and all the others) where the editors names are coming from. Or on the individual years although adding them up on the series level may be cleaner and clearer. Or even on the parent [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?28689 series]. Thanks in advance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:40, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Dmitry Glukhovsky's "Text" ==<br />
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A quick FYI re: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2652577 this title]. Back in 2019 you [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4484074 added the following note]: "Described as a crime / techno-thriller; it may be nongenre." As per the plot summary on Wikipedia, this is a non-genre thriller. I have updated the German VT and the Russian parent title. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 09:28, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
: I can confirm it is non-genre. If I can remember where my book is (because I do not see it where it is supposed to be), I will verify a Russian version and clean the note after that. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:56, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::Thanks, Ahasuerus! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:58, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== GOMINE — Walzenraumer der Hijthi (scheme) ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Did you mean to make [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2841677 this] a short story or did you forget to switch to Interior art? :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:32, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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: It's an artwork, which I just realized upon submitting. I'll correct it with adding the cover image. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 22:53, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:11, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== These variants ==<br />
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I rejected a few - there is no point changing the author in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4932961 such cases]. 30 of the 33 magazines need to stay under the title as is. 3 need to be split and varianted... Changing the author here will result in a lot more work. I think I approved a few earlier so I will clean the created mess based on that... but please look at the list of magazines before changing the authors. Thanks! 00:10, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Those issues have to be reviewed (and the credit chenged) anyway. But my idea was to first complete the (1. Auflage), and then come back to it. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:19, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: But in the process you are moving issues from "Pub and title matches" to "they do not match" so when the report gets deployed, someone will try to fix them again and we will do the same work multiple times. If you are going to be reviewing the publications anyway, let's start with them. Fix the magazines themselves inside of a year, then fix the titles correctly. Otherwise we will be chasing these until next Christmas :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:34, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: Uhmmm, yes, your're probably right. I just have to dig these copies out of their vault. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]]<br />
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== Wstęp (Dzienniki gwiazdowe) ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935029 this one]. Either we claim we do not know who to credit to (so unknown) (because we really have no idea it is Lem's or not) or it is Lem's... We cannot have it both ways (and even if it was rare, other people did write introductions for his books in Polish:) ) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:43, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:What is unknown, I think, is if it's credited to Lem or his alter ego Professor Tarantoga. Usually the introduction should be the same as the first one [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?820586 here], since there the eighth and the eighteenth journey (and the ominous circumstances of their coming-to-be & inclusion) are talked about; it should also be in-universe fiction. The only somewhat irregular thing is the discussion of a 'LEM' as author of the 'Star Diaries' since the Lunar Excursion Mobile would have a far too small electronic brain for such a task - it seems somewhat pre-timed for 1966, but the 1971 should be at least a variant of the 1966 piece. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:51, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: And your source for this please? Unless you have something better than guesses here, this stays unconnected. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 08:04, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: According to [https://fantlab.ru/work3309 Fantlab], there were 4 introductions to the "Ijon Tichy" collections published between 1954 and 1976. All of them were in-universe essays as by "Professor Tarantoga" (one of the characters in the series), but the text differed from edition to edition. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:41, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: Beat me to it - I was planning to go digging on Russian and Polish sites today to see if I can find something. :) Feel free to makre the changes and add sources on the pub level and cleanup the notes. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:51, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::: Thank you for the research. Will do the updates. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:12, 13 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Uralt, mein Feind ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4934516 this one]: Rudam PVd it 4 years before you did. Are you absolutely sure that his book does not have the first edition stated? When he [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3337533 added it], his note read "noted stated"? I propose to wait for him to verify before we remove the stated qualifier... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:11, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Yes, I'm sure: checked it two times! Rudolf has quite often the "noted stated" misprinting (when it should read "not stated"). It's ''very'' unusual for this publisher to not state a first German edition (and at first I fell for this trap), but it's in fact what is there. As a hint see the difference between the DNB and/or OCLC entries for this one and the one for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?676175 Vazkor] for example (fifth line of the DNB entry). I guess the (missing) information was copied from another publication in the sub-series 'Science Fiction Classics', in which ''usually'' real classics are published (and ones that were published before in German). For the Dickson the collection's original English publication was just five years before and the single stories weren't in every case so much older. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:32, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: You checked Rudam’s book two times? I have no concerns with your book at all (although why a day earlier you thought it says that is a bit of a mystery but mistakes happen) - my concern is not what the book you are holding says. My concern is the other PV’s copy. Would you have accepted this edit if it was not your book and you were moderating and a second editor was changing major data points in the notes (which they confirmed matching the previous day) or would you have tried to ensure first that they are holding the same edition and we do not need a clone instead? Apparently Ron read the initial status of this note as saying that the value is stated as well (that’s why he approved your changes the previous day). You are probably right that you have the same book but I’d still try to discuss that with the other PV first. :) If he is not around for awhile, then we can change that with a note explaining what the other PV had stated before (“The first PV had marked the edition as “noted stated”. It is assumed, based on the usual practices of the German publishers, that this is a misprint for “not stated” and there is only one version of this book” for example or words to that effect). That way it is clear what happened here and in case we read the weirdly phrased statement wrong, we have the paper trail for the change. What do you think? <br />
:: There are 9 books with this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/note_search_results.cgi?OPERATOR=contains&NOTE_VALUE=Noted+stated+ note]. I will ping him to clarify what he meant and we can easily sort them out. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 08:50, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Well, no, of course I didn't check Rudolf's book, just checked my copy, but mine does seem to be printed the same way as the ones catalogued at DNB and OCLC. Sure we can add the note accordingly. The examples are mostly for Goldmann & Bastei Lübbe publications in the mid-Seventies, and in these times both publishers didn't state first German editions. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:13, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: And this should also go in the note, as it is a justification of why you read the statement the way you do. :) So let’s do that in order - leave a message to him, if he does not respond in a few days (he seems to be away just now), send another update with the note properly added. Thoughts? Meanwhile I will work with him to sort out the 9 publications with this note. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:25, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Spektrum der Wissenschaft, #3.21 cover ==<br />
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Where is the title and date coming from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937197 here]? I do not see a note anywhere in the publication, cover record and there are no moderator notes? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:43, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:It's from the original appearance of the piece as interior art. Will add the according note to the parent title (and correct the title type). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:05, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Approved. Add this in the moderator note next time. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:20, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Reinhold Kammler ==<br />
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Could you please clarify what the proposed note -- "Was 1981 at home in Vienna, Austria" -- in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937820 this submission] means? Does it mean that he lived in Vienna, Austria as of 1981? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:06, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Yes. Would it be better to phrase it as "Was 1981 living in Vienna, Austria"? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:08, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks for clarifying! I have changed it to "Known to have lived in Vienna, Austria as of 1981." [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:20, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan, #147: Amoklauf der Maschinen ==<br />
<br />
When you have a chance: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?654734 this one] remained the only mismatched one in one of the years you cleared. I am not sure if it needs an update or to be split out so leaving that to you. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:28, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Will do the update. Thanks for the hint! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:06, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Wünsch dir was! ==<br />
<br />
Hello again :)<br />
<br />
Can you look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2837007 this] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2363651 this]? If they are the same, they need a merge. If not, we need to disambiguate or at least add notes. As you have both magazines, you are in the best place to figure out what we need to do :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:49, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Ah, yes! The 2018 one was published quite a while back, so that I didn't realize that the title was used again (they might be developed into a series: I'll see if there are future instalments. For now, I'll disambiguate the two: thanks for finding them! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:06, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:09, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Agency ==<br />
<br />
Added the second ASIN in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?800153 this one] and cleaned the note (the note was there because the ASIN was not working on amazon.de (misspelled a bit in the note...) and the ISBN was not leading anywhere on the German Amazon when I added it). When there are different ASINs across the Amazons for the same edition, we list all the ones we source from and add a note which belongs to which Amazon. Thankfully it does not happen too often outside of certain US/UK paired publishers (but when it happens, it can be annoying). So just heads up! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]]<br />
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:Thanks, Annie! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:10, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Zweitausendvierundachtzig: Orwells Albtraum ==<br />
<br />
Hello again, <br />
<br />
Both OCLC and DNB show [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?828410 this one] as part of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?2152 AndroSF]. Not sure if you left it out intentionally or not but just heads up. If it was intentional, is there something that makes it different from the rest of the series (I add books from this series occasionally so if there are some specifics, I'd love to know them). :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:06, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:I'll upload the image, add more contents and the series: I forgot to add the series, but I usually review my recent edits to find typos, mistakes and omissions like this one; but thanks for keeping an open eye: there may still some faults slipping through. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:43, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: I would have just put on my monitor list to see if there will be an update later but as it was a series I work on now and then, I wanted to make sure it was not intentional and I do not need to look out for something in the books that have the series. :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:06, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Perry Rhodan, #799: Abschied von Terra ==<br />
<br />
[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?380654 This one] needs either to be split out or have its editors fixed. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:03, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:Okay, thanks for finding this one. Submission under way. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:04, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Old sites on author pages ==<br />
<br />
Instead of removing them completely, see if archive.org will give you a snapshot we can use. Like I just did [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?265255 here]. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:55, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:05, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Franziska Wolff ==<br />
<br />
When you have a chance, add a note either [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?323974 here] or in the parent where the pseudonym is disclosed. I take you at your word that it is in a book so I approved but let's add the note. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:59, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Sources needed ==<br />
<br />
Can you share a source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4942497 this change] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4942402 this change]. Unless we have a source telling us that an English author does not get shelved under their last name, we always assume it is the last name only. Spanish and Portuguese are different but English is very straightforward in this. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:22, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:You're right, of course. For a reason unknown I thought that the rules were different for 'classic' authors. I'll cancel and resubmit. Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:44, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: We use this name for the Author Directory and for sorting in searches if you chose to order by that. So having the value as someone expects it (which for English speakers will be last name) is what makes sense. So for Romilly, a quick search finds [https://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/romilly-hugh-hastings-4502 this] and if a Dictionary of Biography has him under Romilly, that's where we want him :) Galactic Central has Estay under E ([http://www.philsp.com/homeville/gfi/s349.htm#A9915 here] but as you know the link is not stable so we cannot link it directly) - which is not as definitive as a dictionary but I would follow their lead unless I have another source somewhere. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:53, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Atlan, #200: Herrscher im Mikrokosmos ==<br />
<br />
"Juli 1982" and 1982-06-15 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?829057 here] :) I suspect a copy/paste mistake from the previous entry in the note but as these are hard to spot, heads up so you can sort it out when you add the cover. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:58, 23 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Will do. Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:00, 24 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Gate of Ivrel ==<br />
<br />
{{P|514656|Gate of Ivrel}} has the same cover art as {{P|279676|Orbit UK PB}} edition [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 19:50, 25 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Oh, yes! Many thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:05, 26 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Possible Typos ==<br />
<br />
Here are some possible database typos:<br />
* millenial - {{T|127268|Millenial Eve(s) (drama review)}} in {{P|59018|Interzone, #132 June 1998}}<br />
* phenomenom - {{T|1612366|English-Language SF as a Socio-Cultural Phenomenom}} in {{P|211705|Science Fiction Studies, Second Series}}<br />
* relevations - {{T|1166830|Deep Space, Deeper Relevations}} in {{P|59009|Interzone, #157 July 2000}}<br />
If you could please check and correct or add title notes, it would be appreciated. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:10, 28 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:: Will do my best, though the SF-Studies book will need some searching. Thanks for the hints, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:20, 28 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Drachengestirn ==<br />
<br />
Hi Christian, <br />
<br />
Can you find [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?500470 this book] and come join us [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Thomas_F._Monteleone.27s_Dragonstar here] while we are trying what to do with these books. :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:09, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks, I have answered there. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:56, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: You have an answer - sounds like you need to move this translation? :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:17, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Self-approver testing ==<br />
<br />
As I said on [[ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Bottleneck_at_moderation_level]], last week I changed the software to support "self-approval" -- see [[ISFDB:Community_Portal#Self-approval_support]]. It was a fairly significant change and you are now the first editor to test it on the live server. Self-approvers should be able to approve and reject their own submissions. Please give it a try and let me know if you run into any issues.<br />
<br />
Also, please be extra careful when editing records which other editors have worked on. Communication is key :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:25, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Thank you very much, I'll test it. And from now on I'll be very cautios with other people's work. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:33, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== German translations of Irma Chilton ==<br />
<br />
Hi Christian,<br />
I need help with some complex editing of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?223006 Irma Chilton].<br />
Right now the situation is as follows:<br />
* She has written two short novellas: "Take Away the Flowers" and "Fuller's World".<br />
* These have been published as a collection with the name "Take Away the Flower & Fuller's World".<br />
* There are three German language publications by her:<br />
** "Weltraumpilot Tom Davies in Aktion" (Boje)<br />
** "1. Auftrag im All" (Pelikan Tramp-Buch), indicated as a licensed publication from Boje<br />
** "Schmuggel im All" (Pelikan Tramp-Buch), indicated as a licensed publication from Boje<br />
<br />
Right now "Weltraumpilot Tom Davies in Aktion" is claimed to be the translation of "Take Away the Flowers". It is right now unknown (in the database), which are the sources of the two Tramp books.<br />
<br />
I do not own either of the books, but from what I have read in several forums (e.g. [https://forum.sf-fan.de/viewtopic.php?p=196266#p196266 at SF-Fan]) I am 100% sure that:<br />
* "Weltraumpilot Tom Davies in Aktion" is a translation of the entire collection "Take Away the Flower & Fuller's World".<br />
* "1. Auftrag im All" is "Take Away the Flowers".<br />
* "Schmuggel im All" is "Fuller's World".<br />
<br />
In my opinion this would be the only explanation that makes sense, and it is in line with what I have seen in other publications in the Tramp series. The Tramp books are sub-licenses of Boje that is mentioned in the books. In that case all translations would be by Siegfried Schmitz (which is not mentioned there).<br />
<br />
Also, I think that the cover artwork of "Schmuggel im All" could be by Edward Blair Wilkins but that should be checked separately.<br />
<br />
Even if you think that these changes are too much of a risk as they are speculations without checking the original publications I wanted to document my findings here so that others do not need to start from the beginning.<br />
<br />
Thanks! [[User:Naut|Naut]] 02:54, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:I think you're right in your assumptions, since both Tramp books are stated as licensed by Boje. Thanks for the informational update, I'll converge the titles accordingly. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:28, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Good solution that you have found. Thanks! [[User:Naut|Naut]] 05:08, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:37, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Eschbach, Abschied von der Erde ==<br />
<br />
Hello Christian, can you help me to add this [http://www.andreaseschbach.de/files/abschied-von-der-erde.html story]? Thanks [[User:Henna|Henna]] 11:56, 12 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Sure. Would you like to try it? Here's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?765405 an analogous example] (of course - or likely - we don't know much about the pages or the price). Only be sure to mark it as nongenre. I'll take a second look after the edit, if it's okay. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:56, 12 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::Hello Christian, thank you for the example. Here is the result: {{P|836910|Die Welt, Samstag, 20. April 2019}}. I hope everything is correct, please take a look. Thanks again [[User:Henna|Henna]] 09:58, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Looks good! Maybe a note on the source of the shortfiction (author's web page) would be fine. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:20, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::Now with the link. Thanks again [[User:Henna|Henna]] 13:18, 16 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== {{P|833362|Nova, #30}} ==<br />
<br />
Hello Christian, in this pub is a gap from p.101 to p.160. Should I add the contents? Regards [[User:Henna|Henna]] 14:19, 26 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:If you'd like to do it you're welcome. It got somehow lost in my to-do list: wanted to read & enjoy the contents in full before entering them. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:02, 27 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::Hello Christian, everything is done (I hope). Please take a look [[User:Henna|Henna]] 15:28, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::: Great work! Thank you very much! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:10, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== ''Aligning notes'' ==<br />
<br />
Hello Christian! What is the meaning of the phrase ''aligning notes'' as a justification, when you make changes in the notes where we are both PV? Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 06:46, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:It means to have the notes as in other publications of a given series. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:50, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::Whereby your wording and your order of the individual notes are predetermined? Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 07:25, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Not necessarily, but with 'Titan' it seemed somehow useful for the avid reader to have one orientation. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:33, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: One other thing that seems more important is the role of Wolfgang Jeschke: he is credited as co-editor but doesn't appear with the parent title (and is obviously not a pseudonym used by Aldiss): would 'Wolfgang Jeschke (in error)' possibly be more appropriate? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:41, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::::Do I understand that correctly, that the decision of what may be necessary and what is useful for an avid reader is made by you? Other PV should follow accordingly even if they are the first making a different entry in the notes? [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 10:55, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::::: Well, the more there is in the notes the more there is that a user might find useful. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:14, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::::::Well, but sometimes less is even more.But you still haven't answered my question. So I can assume that you keep changing some notes of mine that have the similar content as yours and feel the urge to change the sequence of my notes, even though I am the first PV. Also, I didn't catch that the notes of a given series have to be structurally identical. Could you please guide me to the corresponding rule. I appreciate your effort. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 09:48, 8 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: If you feel the way that unstructured notes for publications where you are the first PV should prevail we can leave it at that. Sorry that you might feel I have stepped on your toes. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:40, 8 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::Nice that you've got it. BTW, in case you haven't noticed, in practically all ISFDB pubs, the notes aren't structured. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 08:47, 9 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::::::: Yeah, but the majority of them generally have only stub notes; that shouldn't be a reason to not work on them. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:12, 9 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::::''Wolfgang Jeschke'' isn't the editor of the original anthologies, but he is of course the editor of the entire ''Titan-series''. We can't leave him out. [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 10:55, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::::: It's only that he didn't do editorial work other than for other translated works (anthologies among them), where he ain't credited. The contents for 'Titan' were selected by other editors, and Jeschke only organized the translations and the cover artworks; there seems to be no original content work he did. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:12, 9 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:::::: From that point of view you are right, but his name is associated with all 21 TITAN issues and is emphasized on the cover, spine and title page. It reminds me a bit of the alleged part, Isaac Asimov played as editor for the Greenberg/Waugh anthologies. His name was prominently featured on the cover. I would therefore recommend, just as with Asimov, that his name be kept. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 12:11, 9 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: Okay, I'm fine with that point of view. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:24, 9 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Makroleben ==<br />
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Cover art of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?364664 this] is Angus McKie. Same cover art as on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?87404 this] book. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:25, 11 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Many thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:36, 11 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Rediscovery: Science Fiction by Women (1958-1963)'' ==<br />
<br />
Checking the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?731973 edit history] of the paperback edition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?731973 ''Science Fiction by Women (1958-1963)''], I see that the title was originally entered by [[User:Galacticjourney]], one of the contributors, as "Rediscovery: Science Fiction by Women (1958-1963)". On 2019-09-23 you moved "Rediscovery" to the "Series" field. On 2019-10-14 Annie removed "Rediscovery" from related title records.<br />
<br />
Yesterday, [[User:Galacticjourney]] [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Can.27t_log_in indicated] that "Rediscovery" is part of the title proper as opposed to a series name. As far as I can tell, there are no related books with "Rediscovery" in the title, so it would appear that he is right. Would it be OK to change the title back to ''Rediscovery: Science Fiction by Women (1958-1963)''? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:47, 17 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Yeah, it should stay in the title. Looks like I just fixed the extremely sloppy editing that removed it in half of the places (in preparation of cloning for the ebook) without checking if it should have been edited to start with (my bad on that). :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:48, 17 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:: Without a second volume in the series, it is best to put 'Rediscovery:' back into the title(s) proper (which I just did; I also corrected the stated 'First edition' for the ebook). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:36, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: It is the first edition of the ebook, Look inside even showed it when I looked when I added it. Why would you “correct” it? Can you please share your research that led to removing data from the edition? The only cited source is Amazon and it says so. So we record it. If you have other information, please add your sources and reasoning to the edit. Otherwise, please do not edit something to contradict the cited sources. <br />
::: And apparently you could not be bothered to fix the titles that take their names from the reference title (again) so I will finish your edit again. :)[[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:49, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: The statement for a first edition was obviously erroneous, the print edition preceded it. If it's stated, 'Stated first edition' would be right to add to the notes. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:26, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::::: It looks like there may be some minor discrepancies between what Look Inside shows and what the Amazon.com record shows. For example, Look Inside says "August 2019" while the displayed Amazon record says "September 2, 2019" (perhaps the date when the e-book became available at Amazon?). It would be helpful to document these discrepancies in Notes to avoid questions in the future. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 12:42, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: If the source and the book declare this as a first edition, we document that (or you add notes explaining the discrepancy). "Apparent first ebook edition" is nonsense in this case because of what the sources are saying. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:56, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: That's why 'Stated first edition' would be right, as explained above. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:07, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::::: With a single source, anything un-attributed specifically comes from that source - which in this case is Amazon and the statement "data from Amazon" makes it clear. Adding Stated is not needed here - but I added a note where exactly it comes from. None of that explains your "Apparent first ebook edition" from earlier today. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:25, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Der Weg zum Mars ==<br />
<br />
Just a quick note to let you know that I have adjusted the parent authors of your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?854643 verified ''Der Weg zum Mars'']. Is it safe to assume that it was the only volume in the trilogy translated by Heyne? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 12:10, 5 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:Many thanks for the updating! I wasn't able to find the original novel (and Хачатурьянц) at Wikipedia or at FantLab. There was a German edition of 'На астероиде', which I'm gonna to add this week, but I don't know yet if it's part of the series, at first glance the book didn't give a hint towards that. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:28, 6 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:: According to [https://fantlab.ru/work780752 FantLab], it's part 2 of a trilogy:<br />
::* Путь к Марсу (first serialization 1978, first book publication 1979)<br />
::* На астероиде (first serialization 1981, first book publication 1984)<br />
::* Здравствуй, Фобос! (first serialization 1982, first book publication 1988)<br />
<br />
:: Unfortunately, since FantLab's bibliographies are author-centric, finding anything published by authors who do not have "curated" bibliographies is a chore. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:49, 6 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks!. It was (theoretically) possible to search by publisher, but the publications appeared to be not ordered chronologically, and I have to admit, that I gave up after the first twenty-something. But I'll add the 'На астероиде' to the series upon entering. Thanks again. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:58, 6 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== German poetry ==<br />
<br />
If you have a minute, can you check if you can find earlier editions for [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Anniemod#Need_a_little_help these poems]? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:16, 20 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:It's seems possible that the poems were published before 1905 in a magazine or a newspaper. I have found no evidence for this, however. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:20, 21 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Yeah, I cannot find anything either. I did not put the word first in the notes exactly because I was not sure it is first so that’s the best we can do for now I guess. :) Thanks for looking. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:43, 21 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Your capitalization changes ==<br />
<br />
Hi Christian, <br />
<br />
Just a reminder to write moderator notes when you make extensive changes like the ones here: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5100882 Changes in every story] (or any changes really when other editors had worked on a record)? While it may be obvious to you, it won't be in 3 years. Also - when you do that kind of changes, don't forget to follow up on any parents that may exist (it is wrongly created and I am cleaning it up but there was a parent out there with the old capitalization. I would have also posted a reminder for the editor although Portuguese may need some reversals - European and Brazilian Portuguese capitalize differently apparently (why would anything be easy). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:53, 28 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks for the reminder, Annie (and for the information to the editor)! Right now, I'm working on works and publications by Lem. Nevertheless, I tend to do other things that I run across, and maybe, that's not as good a idea as it seems to be (but on the other hand, every betterment has its benefit). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:09, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Oh, it is always a good idea. Just get in the habit of adding moderator notes - especially when doing cleanup. I started way back when before I became a moderator and now it is a second nature. We don’t need an essay - just a reminder note - in this case I’d say “capitalization” and be done. Makes the “what happened here” easier to parse. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:14, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Okay, will do so in the future. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:16, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Allan Quatermain ==<br />
<br />
[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5102776 This] had a very interesting price. Can you check to make sure I picked the correct currency when fixing it? Pre-unification German currencies trip me up occasionally. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:04, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Ooooops! Yes, a strange price that was indeed, thanks for the find. DM is correct. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:12, 30 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Orphan Perry Rhodans ==<br />
<br />
Hi Christian, <br />
<br />
Can you figure out in which PR series do these 3 fit:<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2843076 Perry Rhodan, #282: Die Spur führt zu Jagos Stern]<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2843074 Perry Rhodan, #281: Kampf in der Tiefsee]<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2843072 Perry Rhodan, #280: Die Weltraumdetektive greifen ein]<br />
They had been sitting on the board alone since March and are starting to feel a bit lonely... Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:11, 6 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And while you are around [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?856123 Perry Rhodan Sonderband] also needs a series. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:13, 6 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks for the findings, Annie! Will do the first, but the 'Sonderband' seems to be a one-shot so far: it was published to celebrate the 60th anniversary of the series, and there may be more in five and/or ten years. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:12, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Editor records need to be part of series in the DB. So either it is a magazine/fanzine (and has one) or it is a different thing and needs a type change. Your choice. I’d just stick the name of the Pub itself as a series for now. Or put it directly under the master PR series - surely it must be connected to the big sprawling universe in there. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:28, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Okay, you're double right: I did some research at Perrypedia, and there were in fact two previous publications in the series, different in character, though (not entered so far). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:38, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::: Always fun when that happens, isn’t it? :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:45, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Tom O'Bedlam oder der arme Tom von Bethlehem ==<br />
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What do you mean with "The cover design should be credited to Atelier Ingrid Schütz on the copyright page." [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?594754 here]? I am wondering about the "should be" part of the sentence :) What are you trying to convey exactly? And there is another "should be" over there - both sound like an attempt to say something which came out weirdly in English. Did you mean "most likely" or "with a certain degree of certainty even though we have no access to the book" or "based on other books, it is expected to be there"? If so, the better expression will be "most likely" plus a note about the reason for your thinking that it is the case. Or just state where you got the information from and don't try to guess what is on the copyright page if you do not have access to it. <br />
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The way it is written now is as if you are telling the printer what to put on the pages, not a format that shows what might be on the page. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:59, 12 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Noted. Thanks for the help! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:56, 23 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Parabel vom Sämann ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
<br />
The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1331034 review] for Die Parabel vom Sämann [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362530 here] is connected to the English title and not the German one. Is it reviewing the English title or is that a leftover from some of the old conventions? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:34, 22 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
: In the same book [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1331033 this one] is connected to a short story and not the collection and a few more are going to the English titles. You may want to check them all. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:34, 22 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: No, these are the German title and the anthology reviewed (didn't review the connections upon veryifying). I'll reconnect. Thanks for finding this! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:55, 23 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: We have a new report for cross-language reviews: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?301 here] - while we were fixing languages and splitting language versions in the last years, we forgot the reviews connections somehow. You may want to check the German ones in there - sometimes they need to stay like that so if there is a PV I will be knocking on their doors to check/verify anyway shortly. So if you have the time and inclination, some help will be appreciated. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:06, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: PS: Like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?412301 this one]. Are all of those non-German titles really used like that in the book (as the review titles) and are they reviewing the original texts? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:09, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Yes, they are; at least they are titled this way. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:18, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::: I'll clear these from the report then later so someone does not decide to fix them. I'd add a general note in the publication as well if I were you explaining that (it is uncommon so more notes, the better). Thanks for checking! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:24, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Menagerie von Babel ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Can you check if [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2055389 this story] has 7 or 17 in the title? I would not be surprised if it got changed for German but just making sure it is not a typo in the DB. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:25, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Yes, it has the '7' (and it even states the original title with a '7'). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:07, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks for checking. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:27, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan #3137 ==<br />
Hi,<br />
could you please have a look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?852244 PR #3137]? According to the cover, the author is Robert Corvus, but it's currently listed as Uwe Anton. According to Perrypedia, Anton was the originally scheduled author, but it looks like that changed. Thank you. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] 16:11, 25 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Many thanks for finding this! That one just slipped through the net. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:13, 25 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Converting to chapbooks and languages. ==<br />
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When converting to chapbooks like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5139193 here], keep in mind that ALL newly created titles will NOT have a language because the work does not have a reference title. In such cases, add the chapbook record only. Save it. Fix the language of the chapbook. Then edit again to add all the art pieces. Otherwise someone needs to manually fix the language on each of them one by one (21 of them to be exact in this case) :) Alternatively, do a single update but then fix the languages of all titles. Thanks! <br />
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: Thanks, Annie. I thought I had grabbed them all.<br />
:: You got the chapbooks. The 21 art pieces across English and Swedish had no language. All sorted now - just keep that in mind - these can be annoying that way. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:48, 3 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Also what is the source for claiming that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?391615 this] is first edition? [https://www.worldcat.org/title/mio-min-mio/oclc/7772523 OCLC] does not say so. No other sources listed. Same for the printing - OCLC does not specify first printing and there may have been differences that disqialify this record (sourced by this OCLC record) and carrying this cover and these illustrations from being the first printing. So how did you determine that this is a first edition? It may well be - but we need to show at least a source OR a justification to claim it so. And we need a source for the number of illustrations you added - OCLC does not have that either :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:16, 2 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Will add the source. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:46, 3 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Which Wikipedia? And which pages - the book, the author, the artist, a combination of? Contents differ per language... We need a link to the correct one in the Web Pages (or correct ones if more than one is used). Someone should be able to follow our research when done online based on our notes - saying just "Wikipedia" is like saying "Google" :) <br />
:: And I do not see the 17 illustrations mentioned in either the Swedish or the English versions. Or the German one. Unless I missed it somewhere? So where did you find these mentioned? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:48, 3 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Christian? Can you please point to your source for the 17 illustrations? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:57, 5 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Yeah, well Wikipedia of course and the upcoming German edition(s). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:37, 6 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Tramps von Luna ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I have digital copies from {{P|721869|Das große Robert A. Heinlein Lesebuch}} and {{P|670004|Die Tramps von Luna}}. In the first one the novel has 18 chapters (the last sentence is: Hazel öffnete die Augen. »Ist sie das?«), in the second one are 19 chapters (the last sentence is:Der Start unterbrach ihren Satz. Aber Roger Stone wußte, was sie meinte. Saturn – Uranus – Pluto …). Please take a look how the novel ends. Many thanks [[User:Henna|Henna]] 18:00, 4 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Well, the earlier translation was noted as likely abridged, I think that does explain the differences. I'll clarify the notes. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:27, 5 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== One Cover ==<br />
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The cover I just added to Richard Bach's One is the same as the later edition; some editor entered a note for that edition that there was no credit for the cover art but there was for cover design and entered that, which is wrong, so neither of them should be there. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:45, 5 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: This may be so, but [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Gzuckier Gzuckier] was the one who added the initial credit, so please do ask him for the reasoning behind this. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:54, 5 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Moon Quest ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
<br />
Just a quick reminder: If you are adding any extra titles (covers, interior art and so on) during a novel -> chapbook conversion, they are created with no language so you may want to chase them down and add a language to them while you are still working on the book. If you first add the chapbook, then set its language and THEN add the additional titles, you do not have this problem. But when you add them when you are adding the CHAPBOOK title, their languages need to be set manually. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?259461 Moon Quest] pinged in a report with both of its art titles being language-less. Fixed now. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:56, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Thanks, Annie. I'll try even harder to expand my memory cells. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:07, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Alternatively, keep an eye on the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?194 report] when you know you did some conversions the previous day. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:14, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== lub hnub qub tshiab - Neuer Stern 67 ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
<br />
Can you look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?825350 this] for me? Looks like the author of that single story tried to add Neuer Stern 67 but... that's one weird title on the whole magazine. And then there is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?854606 this one] as well - is this a fanzine or magazine? Any chance you can find something in the German blogs/publisher site/something to get these up to shape or at least to make that first one less ugly and figure out the type if nothing else? Thanks in advance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:25, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry, but I can't find anything about the correct title (the weird part might be part of the title, but our conventions would imply to have the fanzine's (!!!) title first, I'd think). One thing I was able to find is that it's really a sort of newsletter for the club, so definitely a fanzine. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:56, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Google translate tells me that "lub hnub qub tshiab" is "New Star" in Hmong (which may or may not be the truth - Google Translate is getting better but some languages are more challenging for it and I know nothing about Hmong to be able to do some checks). But "Neuer Stern" is the same in German. So I wonder if it was not a Hmong issue or something? But yep - under our rules magazine/fanzine generic title is always first in the title. The only thing I can find is [https://www.scifinet.org/scifinetboard/index.php/blog/64/entry-9817-neuer-stern-66-67-roboter-frankenstein-elstercon/ this] which confirms the story being there but does not have anything about Hmong. Thanks for checking! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 06:11, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Nice find! I'd think that the editor(s) searched for an exotic translation of New Star / Neuer Stern and put that one into the title to puzzle the readership (which worked!). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:13, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: That would also explain why I see nothing Hmong related in the issue description/contents. I had not seen the editor who adds these around lately but I will leave them a note as well and maybe we will get to the bottom of all this. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:40, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Feinde im Weltall? und andere Novellen ==<br />
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Hello Christian, <br />
<br />
Need a German eye for a second. Is the price [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?402542 here] ℳ1.00 or is there something else happening with this - at the end (1907 will make it the Gold Mark so I am pretty sure about the currency but if that is also not it, let me know? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:08, 16 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Yes, it should be ℳ1.00, which was valid from 1871 until 1914. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:16, 17 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:39, 17 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Wiktor Piwowarow ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
<br />
Our [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?335724 Pivovarov] is definitely not the [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2,_%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80_%D0%90%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B4%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87 sportsman] but the [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2,_%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80_%D0%94%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87 painter]. :) I fixed the link to Wiki and his legal name. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:53, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Ah, yes. Thanks Annie, it didn't occur to me that there might be two Pivovarovs (well, it might, if I'd be able to really read Russian - not only decipher most letters). I just wondered why the Wikipedia had the year of birth as 1957 and not 1937. Thanks for the correction, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:46, 22 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: There are actually [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2,_%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80 5 of them] that were important enough to have articles - just one relevant to us though (funnily enough 3 of them are born in the same year making it even more confusing if you cannot read the descriptions). Feel free to ping me if you need someone to assist with my languages. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:59, 22 November 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Will do! Thanks again, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:05, 22 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Metropolis ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/metropolis0000lang; Saw you did some Metropolis edits after my recent edits; have you seen this? Says Second Printing 1981. --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:43, 27 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Yeah, your Fritz Lang update triggered the 'Metropolis' conversion to SHORTFICTION / CHAPBOOK, a thing that I became aware of quite a while ago (but forgot about it, working on other things). I saw the second printing of 1981, but am not sure if it's the hc or the tp that is reprinted (the second seems more likely, but you never know). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:52, 27 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Currency question: Peter Schlemihl's wundersame Geschichte ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?646729 this one]. Can we safely write "Taler 1.25" or is there something else going on with this currency that will require a different format? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:01, 3 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Ah, I see the problem of the double space. I've updated the record to Taler 1.25. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:44, 4 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Ministry for the Future title & pub dates ==<br />
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Hi Christian, I'm curious why you've zeroed out the day-of-the-month for the title and several pubs of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2772326 The Ministry for the Future]? Whilst I appreciate that "street dates" often don't match the official pub dates, AFAIK [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Date policy] is to use the official date, and - again AFAIK - the dates listed by Amazon, Kobo, etc for the digital pubs should definitely be accurate to when those products became available to download.<br />
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Losing this info is unhelpful for some projects I've been mulling over (but haven't actually gotten around to implementing, sigh):<br />
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* Analysing peak weeks-of-the-year for pubs - flattening everything to a 28-31 day period would make this less accurate<br />
* Doing cross-checks between the data in ISFDB versus the data I've locally scraped from various sites, to check for errors, delays, etc<br />
* Potentially looking for discrepancies in Tuesday vs Thursday pubs to see if stuff has been allocated to the wrong publisher (e.g. Tor US vs UK, Orbit US vs UK). In itself, this wouldn't be reliable, and would likely have lots of false positives (seems like lots of UK ebooks come out on Tuesdays to match the US), but in conjunction with other signals like currency or ISBN range, might help to prioritize the most likely to be errors.<br />
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Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 11:06, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:The available (per Amazon's look inside) copyright statements only speak of 'October 2020', thus - as a policy - we use this as the official publication date (since it is the stated one: official statement ruling out a vendor's statement). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:11, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: But by that logic, loads of recent UK pubs should be submitted with a yyyy-00-00 date, because the info on the copyright page doesn't go to a more granular level than the year? (I have just double checked this with a bunch of recent-ish UK books from big 5 imprints, most of which were first printings, and all just had the year listed.) <br />
::: There's a difference, in that those statements mostly have a copyright statement, not a statement for a publication date. {{unsigned|Stonecreek}}<br />
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:: Also, I'm not sure that details from the copyright page of one pub merit changing the details for other pubs, especially if they are from (arguably) different publishers? The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5193936 UK hc] doesn't have a Look Inside preview on Amazon .com, .co.uk or .de, and the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?795201 UK ebook] only states a year per [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ministry-Future-Kim-Stanley-Robinson-ebook/dp/B08C5DWVRK/ the Amazon preview]. (As an aside, the edits mean that the note on that ebook pub are no longer correct w.r.t. price) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 12:13, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::: Well, in the hc case, the kindle edition states 'Originally published in hardcover and ebook by Orbit in October 2020'. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:12, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
: As long as they are properly sourced, removing dates based on copyright statement is IMO database vandalism. Christian, please stop doing that. We date books based on ALL sources - if we can date exactly based on publisher/seller site and we can add a note on that source, we should not remove the date because the book only mentions the month (or the year). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:00, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:: PS: All dates had been restored as per the sources in their notes. Adding a note that "OCLC only lists the month" or whatever else note you want to add to specify that some other sites specify something different if you want but please stop removing data from the DB and leaving the notes in a state that does not match the data in the listed sources. Thanks! I really hope you had not been doing that on other books and thus destroying data in the DB consistently. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:13, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::: One more note. Look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?791721 this one]. We have a PV who left the date. They even left a note explaining the source of the date (Amazon.com). And yet you changed the date leaving the note incorrect <br />
:::* Should have not happened on a PV'd book at all - you don't "fix" other people's data without talking to them based on what you think the data should look like.<br />
:::* Leaving the date and the note not matching makes this a really bad edit - even if the data loss was not. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:20, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) The issue of using YYYY-MM-00 date values taken from copyright pages over more precise YYYY-MM-DD date values from other sources was debated back in 2006-2007 when ISFDB 2.0 was launched. At the time, the majority of editors believed that exact publication dates used by Amazon and other online booksellers were unreliable and did not necessarily represent actual publication dates. This resulted in a convoluted process of capturing the exact (YYYY-MM-DD) pre-publication date from Amazon, using it to generate the "Select Forthcoming Books" list on the front page, then changing the date to a YYYY-MM-00 date printed in the book when the publication was verified. To the best of my recollection, this practice was abandoned in the mid-2010s and we decided to keep the more precise YYYY-MM-DD date when its source is properly documented in Notes. It's similar to the way we add and document other types of information -- like cover artist names -- from secondary sources.<br />
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I don't think the old, abandoned, method is documented anywhere in Help, but, based on the discussion above, I suspect that Christian may be still using it. Does this make sense, Christian? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:38, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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Having said that, changing primary-verified publications like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?791721 this one] without consulting the verifier and leaving records in an inconsistent state is not acceptable and something that the reviewing moderator would normally be expected to catch. Since you are a self-approver, the responsibility to enforce ISFDB conventions and keep records self-consistent falls on you. Please make sure this doesn't happen again or else it will jeopardize your self-approver status. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:30, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Yeah, I was using the consenus you refer to, and it must have been debated even after 2007 (because I wasn't around then). The verifier hasn't been around for almost a year, and had the contradictory dates (stated month within the publication vs. day stated by a vendor). The consensus still is - to the best of my knowledge - that Amazon is not a reliable bibliographical source per se, and we use the dates in those cases where we don't have a more reliable source (for example the copyright page of a given publication). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:56, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: I ducked out of this conversation because I spent some time digging through old rules and standards archives to see if this had previously been discussed. I believe [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive11#Stated_publication_date_vs._actual_publication_date.3F this exchange from 2012] might be what Ahasuerus is referring to? My reading of that discussion was that Christian's changes could certainly be interpreted as in line with that discussion, but also that that discussion was based on presumptions that might no longer be as valid as they were, at least in the context of new (2015+) books and/or downloaded media? I haven't yet run across any discussion that might relate to "this practice was abandoned in the mid-2010s", but my ability to go through years of R&S discussion has its limits ;-)<br />
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::: Re. "the contradictory dates (stated month within the publication vs. day stated by a vendor", personally I don't believe that "Published in yyyy" or "Published in monthname yyyy" in a primary source is contradicted by secondary sources that list a particular yyyy-mm-dd value - Where the yyyy and mm match up, of course - and that if we have reasonable sources for the yyyy-mm-dd, these should be used, and that these shouldn't be replaced by yyyy-mm-00 values unless there's a good reason, and if so, that reason (and the original yyyy-mm-dd value) should be documented in the title/pub note? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 08:12, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:::: Sounds a reasonable way to deal with it: I do know of some (German) publishers that do their deals first - directly - with their customers and/or special 'hardware' book shops (those that one actually can step into), and make it available only after that to online (or other) vendors. So, I recall that the date stated with Amazon was assumed to be the one that a publication was made available there (nothing more, nothing less). This has lead to the above statement that we enter this date when there's nothing better available to us (and that'd be the case for many new publications upon entering them). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:25, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::::: Amazon is not reliable for dates on OLD books - as in pre-2009 maybe and books that only have listings from external vendors. Things had changed since then. Multiple times. These days Amazon.com for new US books and Amazon UK for new UK ones, especially when they are from major publishers and when the publishers don’t move the dates are pretty reliable for dates. Plus there were multiple sources listed on the UK books here - all of which you just ignored :) The US ones may not have been listed but they are easily foundable and all agree on the date. Assuming that both me and John did not verify the dates when adding these books was arrogant (and how any of that logic for hardcovers applies to Audio books and eBooks that you also changed is a mystery). Let’s not use the German practices for dating US/UK books going forward. Plus as I said - for some of those Amazon was not the only source and “I assumed so” without bothering to check the publisher site or anything else is never a good reason to delete data. If you are not sure about a practice in a different country, please ask - don’t just assume it matches Germany. As i had to correct another publication “fixed” like that by you, i have a suspicion that we are looking at another cleanup efforts to cleanup after your edits… Maybe you need to spend some time with the help pages and refresh your ideas in how the site rules had changed in the last 10 years or so? That’s not the first time you are applying rules which had been out of use for a decade (dating of variants come to mind). :) <br />
::::: Anything else I can assist clarifying around dating of English language books? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:15, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:::::: PS: The short version of the request here: The basic rule for blanking a date (or any other data really) should be "is there a reason not to trust the date?" and not "oh, I don't trust dates so I will always remove them" which seems to have happened here and elsewhere. More data is better than less data so unless you have a reason to think an already added date is incorrect, leave it in place, please. Especially of there is a source (or 4) corroborating. Thanks! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:00, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::::::: Sorry, Annie, but none of your statements refer to the consensus that seems to still hold: we use the officially stated date of publication, when we have one available. And that the one stated at Amazon (or another source) isn't the official date was made clear: nowadays it is the date of distribution (for Amazon). If you could point me (and us) to the argumentational thread where the consensus mentioned above was changed, I'd be most grateful. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:13, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:::::::: That's not the practice OR the consensus. We date books based on all available sources and document our sources. We don't throw away sources and data because Stonecreek don't trust them (and don't want to do a search to verify them). Please stop removing dates on books where there is no suspicion on when the book was actually published. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:32, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::::::::: Yes, it is: per the discussion from 2012 referred to above this ''is'' (or was then) the consensus. Even more, the help for entering the date of publication explicitly says what to use: ''For books, to identify the publication date, try to find a statement (often on the verso of the title page) that says something like "Published in June 2001"''; the exception referred to after that statement is only for later printings. So, what else is there as a point for deviating from that? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:49, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:::::::::: Removing valid data is never acceptable. If you change them back and delete the data again, I will restore it again as we have a valid source to corroborate the exact date. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:35, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) Christian, if you disagree with a moderator's interpretation of the data entry rules, using your self-approver privileges to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title_history.cgi?2970434 undo the moderator's edits] is a completely unacceptable way to go about resolving the disagreement. It just starts an "edit war", which should never happen here. This is not what the self-approver status was created for; additional instances of this behavior or ''any'' other abuse of the privileges will result in their termination.<br />
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The right way to resolve this issue would be to post your arguments on the Moderator Noticeboard. If the subsequent discussion warrants it, we may take it to the Rules and Standards board.<br />
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BTW, to check the current practice, I have compiled a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_month&O_1=exact&TERM_1=2021-01&C=AND&USE_2=pub_ver_date&O_2=contains&TERM_2=2021&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication list of primary-verified publications published in January 2021]. Out of 126 pubs, only 30 (14 of them are magazines) have 2021-01-00 dates. The rest have full 2021-01-DD dates.<br />
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Re: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive11#Stated_publication_date_vs._actual_publication_date.3F the 2012 Rules and Standards discussion], it ended with MartyD planning to come up with new Help language and post it for further discussion, which, as far as I can tell, never happened. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:02, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Well, the help page - referred to above - states it the way we overcame to in the discussion, regardless if the help was changed afterward: if not, it appears the discussion ensured the text. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:41, 13 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Alte DSFP Nominierungen == <br />
Wow, Super, danke Dir für Deinen hilfreichen Links hier! (ch switche hier einfach mal ins Deutsch, wenn okay?)! Ich muss mich da echt mal einlesen und habe ja als ersten Projekt den DSFP nachzutragen, da warst du ja selber im Komitee! Paar Angaben auf der Webseite stimmen wohl nicht (copy & paste Fehler beim Übertrag der der Vorjahre) aber die ersten Preise sollten ich seit 1985 haben. Gibt es evt. irgendwo ein Archiv, wo man tatsächlich noch die alten Platzieren herausfinden kann? DANKE! --[[User:Jannis|Jannis]] 06:18, 16 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Hi, and welcome to my talk page! <br />
: If you don't mind, I do prefer to write in English, though you may ask in German, if you aren't sure how to phrase things. The reason is that this is a site for which the work is done in English, and other editors may have difficulties to read and understand other languages (and it may become tedious to translate things from one language into the other and back - which may be needed in case of information relevant to ISFDB).<br />
: Having said this, I will try and help you with the award if I can. Alas, there seems to be no online archive for the older nominations, but I'll try and take a look into my magazine & nonfiction stack, if there's more information to be found there (though for the very first year - 1985 - there was nothing to be found so far). Do you have any access to old issues of the magazine / fanzine "Andromeda Nachrichten"? The nominations should be listed there, if anywhere! And may I ask you about your background and how you did find out about me (because I think my being with the comitee was not communicated far and wide)? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:36, 16 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Sure, switching back to English, no worries! Btw is this the way the right method to directly communicate here? And sorry, I hope it's not spoiling a secret, because it's stated on the open NOVA website: https://nova-sf.de/eine-site and sadly no access to "Andromeda" :( Next task: I must add some info about my<elf on my page here :) [[User:Jannis|Jannis]] 11:42, 16 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: Yes, this is the right way to communicate with the single members / editors of ISFDB. One more quite important page may be the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk Help Desk] where you can ask anything that you may find puzzling about entering or ensuring data. <br />
::: If you like you may also want to add information to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?318201 your summary page]. How to? Just click 'Edit Author Data' on the left tool bar, listed under 'Editing Tools'. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:25, 16 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:::: Hi Christian, thanks for your support for "Wetzlar". I added in the last days the 2023 DSFP & KLP winners (still in the moderation list to be approved). Then I wanted to look out for the old DSFP winners. BR [[User:Jannis|Jannis]] ([[User talk:Jannis|talk]]) 08:35, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Moderator Noticeboard discussion of the Perry Rhodan changes ==<br />
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Could you please review [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Unverifying_publications this discussion on the Moderator Noticeboard], which is related to these Perry Rhodan changes? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:11, 22 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== 2001: Uma odisseia no espaço ==<br />
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I see that you have edited [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?664749 2001: Uma odisseia no espaço], a primary-verified publication, after asking the primary verifier on 2022-01-27 and also asking for feedback on the Community Portal. Seeking consensus is always good a thing, but let me remind you what I wrote [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:AlainLeBris#Stalker on AlainLeBris]'s Talk page on 2022-01-21:<br />
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: Christian, it's been less than 24 hours since your original questions were posted. Please do not edit publications primary-verified by active editors without their consent. If you believe that a verifier has made a mistake, e.g. a name was misspelled, and the verifier does not respond to your inquiry after a week, post your findings on the Moderator Noticeboard. To quote the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#What_if_I_want_to_make_a_change_in_a_verified_publication_record.3F ISFDB FAQ]:<br />
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:* If you want to change or remove information, please ask the verifier first. If the verifier doesn't respond in a week or so, post a note on the [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard|Moderator noticeboard]] and someone will help you.<br />
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: This is the standard procedure and all editors are expected to follow it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:15, 21 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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Again, this is the standard process and all editors are expected to follow it, yet your edits have repeatedly gone against the process over the last few weeks. If you do not follow the process again, your self-approver privileges will be revoked. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 14:29, 28 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Okay, thanks, I'll do my very best! I hope I'll not be carried away again trying to help things making better. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:40, 28 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Cover art credit for Science-Fiction-Stories 79 ==<br />
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Christian, I've added the cover credit for Rich Sternbach to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?642914 Science-Fiction-Stories 79] as it's a variant of a Galaxy cover of his. I modified the comment about the indecipherable signature to note that the art has been flipped. Martin--[[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] 10:21, 3 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Many thanks, Martin! Great find! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:44, 3 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== {{P|632555|Bruder der Gorgonen}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, on the cover is a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/8/8f/Greenaway_peter_van-bruder_der_gorgonen_sig.jpg signature], maybe you can read them. Regards [[User:Henna|Henna]] 14:01, 15 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry, Henna, but I remember having spent some time to identify this artwork upon verifying the publication but couldn't decipher it either. The artist's style also didn't ring a bell. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:35, 16 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Als der Weihnachtsmann vom Himmel fiel ==<br />
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Can you check the ISBN [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?876827 here]? It is a bit too late for ISBN-10 and if it is indeed the only one printed (being a reprint and all), a note explaining that should be added. :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:36, 15 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:With this being only a transient verification, I do assume that this is most likely a cloning error. I'll update the ISBN. Thanks for finding this, Annie! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:31, 16 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Bardioc ==<br />
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After your latest edits, the link [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?553981 in the notes here] is not valid anymore. Can you find out where it is supposed to link now? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:25, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:It must have been defunct before, since I didn't do anything with it. Fixed. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:00, 18 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Possibly. :) But it needed fixing and you had been around the title so had a better chance to figure it out than me starting from scratch :) Thanks for fixing it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:02, 18 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Ring of Thoth ==<br />
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Regarding {{T|1094940}}: Variants are dated based on the first appearance under that title and author credit. 1890 was the original appearance of the story, not the original appearance of this variant. Doyle was knighted in 1902 so any credit with Sir has to be after that date. I have restored the prior date. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:06, 27 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Juvenile flags ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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A gentle reminder that if a story is marked as juvenile, you also need to mark all chapbooks which contain it as juvenile (and vice versa). A few of your additions and updates in the last weeks showed up on the discrepancy report (and are now fixed) but please keep that in mind. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:11, 2 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks, Annie, will try to think of it in the future! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:37, 3 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== {{T|2374871|Fabeln aus künftigen Jahren, in denen die Menschen in unterirdischen Bunkern leben werden}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, is this the same text like in ''Zeitschleifen''?<br />
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Ein Ingenieur hat geschrieben, daß sich die Felsen in der Umgebung von Prag zum Bau von unterirdischen Bunkern für die Prager Bevölkerung eignen.<br />
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''Im Zeitalter der unterirdischen Bunker''<br />
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Wenn man überlegt, daß die frühere Menschheit ihre Behausungen über der Erde gebaut hat! Welch primitive Zeiten das doch waren!<br />
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Thanks for looking it up [[User:Henna|Henna]] 12:54, 8 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Yes, it is: it is even stated as taken from the anthology ''Zeitschleifen''. Thanks! Christian<br />
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::Thanks again [[User:Henna|Henna]] 08:25, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== 7. & 8. Reise ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I think in {{P|552030|7. & 8. Reise}} the date 1961 for the two stories is wrong. Regards [[User:Henna|Henna]] 11:22, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Sure! I do wonder how I got to this date. Strange things seem to happen... Thanks for finding this! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:51, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Das Killer-Ding ==<br />
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Cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?390487 this] is by Angus McKie. It's a mirror image of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21342 Manalone]. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:41, 11 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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Thanks! Great find! I'll add the information. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:28, 11 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Welcome template ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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If you are going to be posting these, please do that properly: it is <nowiki>{{subst:welcome}}</nowiki> and not just <nowiki>{{welcome}}</nowiki> as the page for it [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:Welcome very clearly states]. Otherwise you make it VERY hard for an editor to answer or figure our why their page appears to be locked (as the direct call opens the template, NOT the local version). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:09, 17 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Aera: The Return of the Ancient Gods (part 7) ==<br />
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As you did this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4929481 edit], can you please clarify where you got this title ("Aera: The Return of the Ancient Gods (part 7)" from? <br />
:* The "Look Inside" shows "Episode 7" clearly. <br />
:* The cover has just "7" - which is technically irrelevant due to the title page being available.<br />
:* Our rules for naming of serials are very clear: "If the title of a SERIAL installment is unique, e.g. "Butterflies in the Kremlin, Part Eight: As the Bear Turns" or "Ciężki bój (cz. 1)", then use the full form of the title."<br />
:* Even if the title page did not contain a unique title, the rules would not have created your title: "If, on the other hand, the title is shared by at least one other SERIAL installment of the work, append a space and a parenthetical statement such as "(Part 1 of 3)" to the title."<br />
So where is your title coming from? Changing titles from valid titles to invalid ones (which you may prefer) is not a good idea. The lack of notification to the editors that had worked on that title is also a bad idea (and you had been reminded of the common courtesy expectations before - although this being an oldish edit, it probably was before that). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:45, 17 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Guess I had only the rule for the parenthetical statement in mind as valid. Sorry! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:47, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Variant title dates ==<br />
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Hi Christian, I see you're still changing variant title dates to the date of the original, see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5266880 here]. Please try to remember the date should be that of the first appearance of the variant. Also, do you have any idea where the 1972 date of the original comes from? There's no note explaining this. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 16:55, 20 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:I'll add the corresponding publication this week. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:38, 21 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: It is always a good idea to add notes on dates provenances (or any other pieces of data but dates in titles are often disconnected from books like here) if you are not adding the book supporting it immediately. If that title with this date had been submitted for moderation, you would have been asked for the source so a note can be added. As Self-approver, the expectation is the same. We all have plans but life happens and things get missed and forgotten so let’s try not to have any data added without notes on its provenance? Can you add a quick note explaining that date? You can remove it when/if you add the book later. Thanks in advance. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:58, 21 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Riesenvögel kommen ==<br />
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Ho there, Christian! Can you tell me what [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2226371 this] is about? Does it say what the original article was? Thanks.--[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 20:10, 7 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:I'm afraid it doesn't. It's about a new generation of giant airplanes. I can't find a corresponding title with that meaning with the Bob Woods page, but I guess it doesn't have to have appeared necessarily in "Future" / "Future Life". (We don't have the initial publications of Chaffee's artwork - depicting two to-be-developed airplanes - either; it's even possible that this is a first publication). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:47, 8 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Geheimprojekt Venus ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I have a problem with this pub {{P|370748|Geheimprojekt Venus}}. In the notes is a wrong parent title and the digest should have this copyright text:<br />
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„Abenteuer im Weltenraum“ – erscheint 14täglich im Alfons Semrau Verlag, Hamburg 4, Heiligengeistfeld, Hochhaus 2. Fernruf 3120 76. Alle Rechte vorbehalten. Alleinauslieferung: Alfons Semrau Verlag, Hamburg 4. '''Printed in West-Germany 1958'''. Für unverlangt eingesandte Manuskripte wird keine Gewähr übernommen. Rücksendung nur gegen Rückporto. Gesamtherstellung: Nordland-Druck GmbH., Lüneburg.<br />
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Please take a look. Many thanks [[User:Henna|Henna]] 14:31, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Rencontre avec Ovaron ==<br />
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Hi Christian. Concerning [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5286359 this edit] that made the publication show up on the "Title Dates after Publication Dates" cleanup report. I asked Linguist to check, see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Linguist#Rencontre_avec_Ovaron here]. First, you should not have changed the date without asking/informing the primary verifier. Second, his answer makes it clear that your "correction" was wrong. Do we need another cleanup report? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 10:10, 18 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
Ps, see also the cleanup report [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?33 Publication Authors That Are Not the Title Author]. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 11:24, 18 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Well, [https://www.perrypedia.de/wiki/Perry_Rhodan_franz%C3%B6sisch#Band_188_.E2.80.93_215 Perrypedia] has the date as March, this is why I changed the date. (I planned to order a copy, but didn't do that before the beginning of my holidays - I now have). I do assume that this source is more dependable than taking the date of printing. I'll bring this to Linguist's attention. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]]<br />
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== Die Schwerter von Zinjaban ==<br />
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Did I err in approving the author change, I was just about to change the pub and write a note to the verifier. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:02, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Hi, already answered on your talk page. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:05, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Any thoughts why the English language editions credit both, but not the German? (Amazon Look inside available on UK edition). 09:10, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Likely because Catherine Crook de Camp was at the time almost unknown to German readers, and because all other titles in the series were published as by Lyon Sprague alone. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:17, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Thanks for your help, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:18, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Golem 100 ==<br />
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Hello Christian. Cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?414786 this] is not Oliviero Berni as the publication credits but Terry Oakes. The artwork is depicted in Steven Eisler's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1769794 The Alien Worlds] and credited to Oakes in the Acknowledgement on p.96 of that book. I'm going to make the change and note it. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 07:47, 6 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Yes, do so, please. During the first half of the 1980s this publisher had real difficulties to give the right credits for the respective cover art. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:57, 6 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::I've made the changes and edited the notes. I pretty much had a feeling it was Terry Oakes. I just had to find the book it was illustrated in and check the credits. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 14:08, 6 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Yeah: it ''could'' have been by Berni but is nevertheless somewhat different from his usual style. Thanks again, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:26, 7 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Variant title dates. Again and again ==<br />
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Was [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5325685 this edit] really necessary? As has been told to you a number of times, the date of a variant title should be that of the first appearance of the variant. In this case, interior art is not the same as cover art. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 04:07, 24 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Well, it ''is'' exactly the same artwork (title & language) as the cover art, and it ''does'' look more strange that both works are dated differently. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:25, 24 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Again Christian? Re-read [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Stonecreek/Archive4#Changing_dates_of_variant_art_titles this discussion] where in the end you promised to follow the consensus. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 07:31, 24 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: I did. Dealt with: of course, the pre-dating to 1981 was correct. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:44, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: So nothing is changed. You still read only what you want to read. Explain to me why we have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?275 this cleanup report] exactly for this kind of error. I will not have the same discussion with you over and over again. You were wrong, and you still are wrong. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 02:31, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: It would help if you do read the notes for a title. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:42, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: I did. Again, interior art is not the same as cover art. The variant (interior art) must not have the date of the parent (coverart). And again, if you want to change the consensus, discuss it on the rules & standards page, do not impose your private rules on others. Remember the last time you were so stubborn cost you the moderator flag. Do you want to lose the self approver status too? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 02:52, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: Sorry, but it appears you want to change the consensus: the note refers to the first known publication as interior art (there may have been a previous one, and even more contemporary publications). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:31, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::: You're totally confusing now. Do you mean you forgot to add the interior art to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?367225 this publication], or is there another 1981 pub not yet in the database or do you see an invisible 1981 pub under [this title]? Is it october or december? and where did you find (please, a link to that discussion) consensus to add an earlier date to a variant title? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:12, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::: I do mean a separate publication not in the database: virtually all publishers issued regular catalogues of available & new (= soon to be published) titles, wherein the older titles usually just got listed but the new ones were prominently featured with their cover images; Heyne did publish those twice a year (in April and October), immediately predating their new Winter and new Summer program. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:12, 26 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::: So that's your new excuse? Didn't think about discussing the idea first did you? May I draw your attention to the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Contents_never_included rules of acquisition] under advertising? I don't think such a catalog counts as a publication. If you want that, discuss it first.<br />
:::::::::: To recapitulate, first you change the date to december 1981 with no note in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5325685 this edit], and when I challenge the validity of that edit you change it to october 1981 with a cryptic note [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5326497 here] I.m.o. against the rules of acquisition. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 03:41, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::::: They're quite obviously pieces of nonfiction that would have to be put into [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?42599 this series], though it's debatable if the publications are eligible (with the departments on sf taking about one seventh to one sixth): I do intend to use them as such, since they do provide information on publication history. But if you do like to change our rules of notation of first publications of titles when published within nongenre titles, please do open a discussion: there are masses of nongenre essays published within newspapers by above-the-threshold authors that would need a recalibration of notes and dates. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:59, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::::: Let me rephrase the question then. Do you want to use a publisher's advertisement of a publication to date a piece of interiorart when the rules state "No advertising of any kind is indexed". A simple yes or no please. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 07:13, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::::::: Let me repeat my answer: those are pieces of nonfiction, not advertisements: there are some ads to be found inside, for example for the next (expected) bestselling book or featuring the works of a certain bestselling author (say, Colleen McCullough), but these works were also to be found inside the alphabetical listing, which was a listing of (soon-to-be) available book titles. (We are speaking of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalog catalogues], i. e. works of reference, also known as special types of nonfiction).<br />
::::::::::::: (Let me add that it's not okay to come up with nibbling at long-established series when the consequences don't serve one own's preferences.) Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:30, 29 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) I give up on you. You can't even answer a simple yes or no question. You're incapable of admitting you're wrong in anything (see your first answer "it ''does'' look more strange that both works are dated differently" is totally against the consensus). I won't bother you anymore with things like this and take it directly to the community. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 05:19, 31 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Let me remark that you would just have needed to read the answer directly before your question and you wouldn't had have to ask.<br />
: 'You're incapable of admitting you're wrong in anything': it does seem there is also somebody else writing here in this thread ;-). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:48, 1 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Amok ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Boskar Boskar] has confirmed that Atelier Ingrid Schütz is only credited with cover design. Do you have additional information that caused you to credit cover art on the three unverified publications? Let me know if you prefer to make the changes or I will do it. 08:11, 29 May 2022 (EDT). This was me. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:48, 29 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Who's writing this (please don't forget to sign your comments / questions) and what publications are you referring to? If this has to do with the latest additions to 'Richard Bachman' books published by Heyne: I have seen the credits with printings other than those already in the database. If you prefer I'll do a transient verification for those and fill in the missing notes later when I can lay my hands on the publicatiuons again. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:24, 29 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Ryan North's How to Invent Everything - nonfiction vs novel ==<br />
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Hi, I see you changed this title from non-fiction to novel a couple of years ago [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4777827]. I've just finished reading this, and whilst I don't think it's 100% unambiguous, I'd definitely consider it to be non-fiction rather than a novel. The time-travel aspect is just a framing conceit for the non-fiction elements that comprise the core content - although without that framing, I guess this book would be ineligible for inclusion here, so it's not irrelevant.<br />
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The closest thing I could think of to try to find a precedent for how to characterise this was in-universe fact books such as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?31475 The Dune Encyclopedia], and I see that is also classed as non-fiction.<br />
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Also, I think you added the synopsis for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2601713 the title record]? At least for the British edition, that description isn't quite right - it's presented as a manufacturer's manual for a time machine to cover the event the time machine breaks down in the past, and the foreword implies it was written by an alternate-timeline version of the author working in the position of technical writer, not as a stranded time traveller.<br />
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Are you OK if I change the title type and synopsis accordingly? Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 10:24, 4 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: My changes were based on the three German reviews, but mainly on the one by Kathrin Passig & Aleks Scholz, which was the most extensive one (I haven't read the book itself). <br />
: But if there's a framing story please do consider it being a novel: we have other titles judged for inclusion just on the framing (for example [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?874803 this one], which has Death as telling the otherwise non-speculative story). But in the end: please change to your insight. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:35, 5 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks. I have switched the types of the titles and pubs, and expanded the title synopsis and note to (hopefully) explain why the book is categorized as it is. Something I should have been clearer on in my comment above, is that there aren't any characters, plot or other elements that (conventionally) are part of a story, hence me wanting to classify it as non-fic.<br />
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:: Cheers [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 16:34, 8 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Okay. It's just that I understand the rules (and the meaning) for non-fiction to be non-fictional. We have masses of texts that also don't have any of those elements, but are classified (rightly so) as fiction; here are some examples: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?845711 Space Mail] (an anthology of fictional letters), synopsises & fictional biographies, and the likely most extreme, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?57594 The Index], for which the title describes the form exactly, but is nonetheless a piece of fiction. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:52, 9 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Caldwell ==<br />
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https://www.amazon.co.uk/TM-Caldwell/e/B00T0RFEG4/ref=ntt_athr_dp_pel_11; I suspected these much later stories were by a different Caldwell, and they were; this Caldwell's a woman. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:12, 12 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks! I'll adapt accordingly. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:42, 12 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Falcons of Narabedla and the self-approver status ==<br />
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Please see the outcome of the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Falcons_of_Narabedla Falcons of Narabedla discussion on the Community portal]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:48, 14 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Falken von Narabedla / Die Späher ==<br />
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Please check the final sentence of Die Falken von Narabedla in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?551087 Terra Nova 181] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?901149 Die Späher]. Are they a translation of the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1946 1957 Other Worlds version] or the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3040549 1964 expanded version]. The notes of both publication state ©1964, so the second is most likely. The final sentence of both versions are in the respective notefields. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:59, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks for the idea, but I asked Mavmaramis to have a go at an independent word count estimate, which will help to determine the length of the later version. If both versions turn out to be novellas it has to be discussed if they shouldn't be merged anyway. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:14, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Christian, if you want to keep frustrating things, I'll just assume they are both the 1964 expanded edition, confirmed in your pub notes. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:40, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::Hello Willem! The last sentence of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?551087 Terra Nova 181] is ''Ich holte tief Atem und legte meinen Arm um Cynaras Schultern. Dann rief ich Adric, auf das er das Glück mit mir teile.'' and translated ''I drew a deep breath and put my arm around Cynara's shoulders. Then I called Adric to share the happiness with me.'' Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 17:56, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Yes, Rudolf's right and the ending for the version in "Die Späher" also fits the 1964 version. It's just that it still seems to be a novella, see my comments at the Community Portal and at Mavmaramis'. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:09, 16 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Thanks. I'll move both to the 1964 edition. For you Christian, it is established that the two versions are very different. See the notes from Ahasuerus. Even if the expanded edition were a novella, the two should never be merged. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:58, 16 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Okay, maybe i thought in the beginning that the texts were (almost) identical. Sorry for that. I also tend to think that we shouldn't have two texts with the same title type that tell the same story. We have established that for many novels, I think, in adding notes. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:40, 17 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== FYI ==<br />
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Hello Christian! We disagree about this title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?382535 DAS GROSSE SPIEL] and I don't fancy an edit war. Therefore I‘ll introduce our difference in the Rules and Standards portal and open for discussion. Regards Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 05:11, 16 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks, Rudolf! I'll reply there. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:05, 16 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Puppe Maggie Moneyeyes ==<br />
I'm just clearing my own DB and linking to ISFDB. I got a problem with Chapter 2<br><br />
"13 • Vorwort: Wie Science Fiction mich vor einem Verbrecherleben bewahrte • essay by Harlan Ellison (trans. of Foreword: How Science Fiction Saved Me from a Life of Crime 1967)",<br><br />
Author Harlan Ellison; Nevertheless, at the end of the chapter it is signed by<br>Ellison Wonderland<br>Hollywood, California<br>September 1966<br><br />
I'm aware of the book/title "Ellison Wonderland", and I'aware of the fact, that Harlan writes about himself.<br><br />
Should "Ellison Wonderland" beeing introduced as a pseudonym of Harlan Ellison?<br />
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: Hi! I don't think so, the author for collections is typically only stated on the spine, the cover and the title page, and we use the credit on the title page for all of the contents written by the respective author. Plus: "Ellison Wonderland" seems to me more likely to be the name of a place, like "Graceland" was the name Elvis Presley had chosen for his mansion. Hope that helps. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:33, 18 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== To Say Nothing of the Dog duplicate records ==<br />
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Please see [[User_talk:Willem_H.#To_Say_Nothing_of_the_Dog_duplicate_records|this conversation]]. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:54, 9 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks for the hint, I have unverified mine and will delete it: it was in fact verified later than the other one (on 2011-05-05). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:30, 9 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?907277 ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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You dropped "Editor: Stefan Bauer." from the notes in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?907277 this one]. Was that on purpose or did it go by mistake while clearing the previous line? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:56, 22 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:This was on purpose, it was a relic from the first edition and is not stated within the new one. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:08, 30 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: OK then :) A moderator note mentioning that is always helpful when this happens - otherwise you may be getting a lot of notes making sure that a line was not removed by mistake. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:22, 1 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Notes, notes, notes ==<br />
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Hello again :) <br />
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Can you please at least add a note on the source when adding new publications such as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?908987 this one] - even if you are not adding the complete set of notes yet. I know you will get back to it BUT a new editor will see that and assume no notes on non-verified new publications is ok and life can get a bit tricky sometimes so these may stay like that for a long time. I approved the ones on the board but... please remember to add just a rudimentary note on the sources (even if it ends up being a throwaway later when you expand) or verify on addition. Thanks for the understanding! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:30, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Will do (at least add something rudimaentary): In this case I wasn't sure if there's a 'Report' in it or not, so I decided to add the complete notes upon the dawning of knowledge. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:15, 3 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Figured that there is something like that happening. But at the very least "data from source" or "issue added based on advertisement in issue X" or something like that is helpful. Thanks! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:18, 3 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Photos and Interiorart ==<br />
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Hello Christian! I have a query. You want to add two photos in this pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?384702 Die Guerillas von Terrania] as new regular titles and labeled them as interiorart. I don't remember that photos are classified as interiorart. Where did you found this rule? Thanks in advance for your assistance. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 11:54, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Well, I've seen plenty of them added lately (for example for The New York Times / [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?899369 The New York Times Book Review] (which isn't even a genre magazine), so I do think it's okay to add them for genre publications. <br />
: Like the inclusion of excerpts meant as ads for upcoming novels (which weren't regularly included when we began), this policy also seems to have changed over time. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:53, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::Thanks for pointing out that it has already been accepted. Now, I' m surprised, despite the fact that the guidelines don't specify it that way. It states that photographs of authors are not included. If so, the policy need to be rewritten. I'll put this up for discussion. Thanks again for your reference. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 09:05, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::It seems that according to the previous rules, the PV alone can decide if he labels photographs as interiorart. Sorry for the belate approve.Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 11:17, 11 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: No problem at all, Rudolf! I'd also wish that the rules would be more explicit for photos. I decided to include them in this case since they were taken by Hubert Haensel, an above-the -threshold author. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:24, 11 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Titanic Magazine ==<br />
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I question [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5383512 this submission] changing the date of the rollup from 2022-00-00. The year only date is standard practice. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:27, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: It doesn't seem to be: this only seems to be standard practice if there's only one editorial credit for a given year, otherwise it's meaningful to achieve a chronological order to have the dates ordered, for example by month. Please take a look at these examples, found without major effort: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title_history.cgi?136819 MFSF], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1112309 ditto], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?993041 Omni], and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2853007 Perry Rhodan]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:38, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Andreas Eschbach Essay ==<br />
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Greetings Stonecreek, would you mind checking to see if these two are the same? [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2843203] & [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3068105] Tnaks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:55, 13 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Hello, John! No, they aren't; the first takes the author's contributions to the Perry Rhodan franchise into its focus, the second gives an overview of Eschbach's role in German sf. I'll add a note to the second one. Thanks for the hint to the seeming doublette. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:44, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Hop Aboard Kids, We're Going to 1984: Seven Children's Books and Illustration, Art, or Cosmic Kitsch? Six SF Art Books ==<br />
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{{P|910485|Genre Fiction: The Roaring Years}} contains {{T|3068541|Hop Aboard Kids, We're Going to 1984: Seven Children's Books}} and {{T|3068542|Illustration, Art, or Cosmic Kitsch? Six SF Art Books}}. It states both of these originally appeared in {{P|293929|Foundation, #10 June 1976}}. There is no such essays listed in that pub. However, there are seven Peter Nicholls book reviews on page 82 and six Peter Nicholls art book reviews on pages 114-119. I am assuming these are what are being referenced. Do either of these review groupings have a overall title in Foundation, #10? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:04, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:No, it just lists the books reviewed at its heading. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:45, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Okay, I will make the appropriate notes. Thanks for checking. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:00, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Dave Langford, who put {{P|910485|Genre Fiction: The Roaring Years}} together, has sent me an email about this issue. Here is what he says:<br />
:::* Foundation in that era added overall titles to reviews and groups of reviews: the coverage of the seven children's books and the six sf art books each formed a continuous block of text with the lower-case headings "hop aboard kids, we're going to 1984" and "illustration, art or cosmic kitsch?" However, these titles don't appear in the Foundation contents list.<br />
::: Does this match what's in your copy? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:04, 16 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: David Langford is right: it'd pay to actually take a look into the issue. This practice only was conducted in the issues of 'Foundation' that were edited by Nicholls (and I think he wrote in one of the editorials that they were added by him, and not by the review editor). IMO they don't make the reviews into essays: they otherwise don't differ from reviews in earlier & later issues and are all part of the respecive reviews sections. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:45, 16 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Publisher's Pantheons & Consumer's Guide to Recent Writing on SF ==<br />
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{{P|293930|Foundation, #11 and 12}} has {{T|1540526|Publisher's Pantheons}} on page 101 and {{T|1541948|Consumer's Guide to Recent Writing on SF}} on page 168. {{P|910485|Genre Fiction: The Roaring Years}} reprints these respectively as Publishers' and Consumers'. Before I variant, I wanted to check these were not database errors. Would you mind double checking? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:19, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: They were indeed entered erroneously. It'd be right to merge those two (that is, four) titles. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:58, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Merged. Thanks! --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:00, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Perry Rhodan Sonderband'' change submission ==<br />
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Hi. This [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5415109 submission] had a title it used disappear, so I cannot do anything with it and you will have to redo it. I do not remember what is accessible after a hard reject, so I left it there for now. When you are done referring to it, if you cannot cancel it yourself let me know and I will do the hard reject. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 18:21, 9 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks for the info, Marty! (But I think this shouldn't have happened - importing into and editing a publication are independent from one another, or so I thought: is this perhaps a new bug?). I'll edit anew. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 03:38, 10 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::I think the update must have changed something about one of the content records, perhaps a page number, and the title associated with that record got deleted (most likely merged) after your edit was submitted. Whatever that submission was must have been approved first. I do not know of a way for me to tell what happened. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:07, 10 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Well, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1118774 this title] was merged, maybe this was the cause? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:31, 10 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Imperium ==<br />
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Christian, I have the following three submissions on hold. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5416084 Second], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5416086 Third], and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5416089 Fourth] printings of Imperium. The publication date for the second printing as stated in the notes reads "The month of publication was chosen to put this printing after the first one". The other two have similar notes. I'm not familiar with this practice. It appears to contract our standards, both in general and specifically with the Date: field. A quick [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_note&O_1=contains&TERM_1=month+of+publication+was+chosen&C=AND&USE_2=pub_title&O_2=exact&TERM_2=&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication search] shows that this is not the first time you have used this methodology. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:29, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Excuse me for interrupting but I am familiar with this situation. I have come across many pub records where the notes state that Month has been set arbitrarily in order to sort multiple printings in the same year. So, very early in my editing career, I tried to do the same thing... and Annie told me off (very nicely)! Apparently, this practice has happened in the past but it is no longer tolerated. You can see the discussion here: [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:IanPercival#Foundation_and_Empire_.2F_Second_Foundation Part 1] and [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Teallach#Dating_and_all_that Part 2]. Unfortunately, we are left with a legacy issue of all the historic cases. You will find a lot more if you run an advanced search on publication where the Notes field contains both the words "month" and "arbitrary". [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:06, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: What would be better or right to do? We know that a later printing can't have appeared before an earlier one. Would we set all later printings of one year to the date of the first? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:16, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::I know you agree we have an obligation to ensure the record accurately reflects the underlying publication. When information is obtained from a secondary source, we document the source. Your submissions, particularly 'Perry Rhodan' are among the best I've seen. What you are doing here with the date field is turning it into nothing more than a sort field. Not only does it distort the underlying publication, but it also undermines confidence in the field across the entire database. Where does that leave us. We definitely do not set the date to the first printing. The help section is clear. If we can find a recognized secondary source, partial or full, we use that. Without such, we are forced to use 'unknown'. I know you find this distasteful. If further information surfaces, the record can be edited. I remember an extensive discussion regarding implementation of sort field(s). Hopefully this can be done at some point. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:09, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Okay! Would you please approve of the submissions and either let me correct the dating (or, if you prefer correct it)? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:14, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Approved, I'll approve the date changes as soon as they hit the queue. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:23, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Thanks! Submitted. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:29, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: I thought we were going with 'unknown'. Maybe I'm missing something, how do we know the subsequent printings were released in 2012? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:48, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::::::: Approved. I went brain dead for a minute. Ignore the previous sentance. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:05, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::: Will you commit to correcting all the publications where you have used an arbitrary date and abandoning this practice? If so, I will support your request. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:01, 25 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan, #3186: Alraska ==<br />
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Christian, I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5416182 this submission]. In light of your note, I think crediting 'Swen Papenbrock (in error)' and then varianting to 'Arndt Drechsler' would be more accurate. What do you think? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:46, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Yes, that would be even better. I'll cancel and resubmit. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:17, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: I saw [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5423803 this edit]. Did you decide not to change the cover art credit as suggested or did you want me to do it? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:06, 25 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Blanking spammers' Talk pages ==<br />
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I appreciate what you are trying to do with spammers' Talk pages, but it makes it more time-consuming for moderators to get to the original text, confirm that it's spam, delete the page and block the spammer. Please don't do it going forward. Thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:13, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Okay, just thought that sometimes the text may be not recognized and gets a base in our wiki. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 02:10, 17 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Kiepenheuer & Witsch ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Saying "Now located in" is not a very useful thing - what happens 3 years down the road when they had moved but noone updated the entry? Not everyone knows to look at the History and try to figure out when that was valid (and not-logged people cannot even look at that). Instead use something like "As of September 2022" or whatever date you know they were there - that way even if they move, the entry is still correct. :) I fixed it [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?6131 here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:04, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Okay, that's even better, though this is one of the publishers I keep an eye on: any change of place will be noted. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 15:07, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Notes (again) ==<br />
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Hello again, <br />
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I assume that for edits such as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5426681 this one], you are planning to import the newly created parents into a book somewhere OR add notes into the originals which were not imported (for a date provenance). That should have been in the moderator notes (or even in the proper notes on the original) so that someone looking at the title before they get imported/noted, can trace why they have these dates... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:58, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Elephant ==<br />
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I approved [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5426761 this one] too fast so I deleted it. The author name for this book is not Sławomir Mrożek but Slawomir Mrozek (unlike the accented characters, these two names actually can coexist on the server so these are two separate names in the DB). I deleted the book so you need to redo that one - but with the correct name for the author and all his stories. And yes, it is a pain with the Polish authors who have ł and ż and their names but we catalog based on the books, not based on how we wish the English publishing industry had printed the name, right? :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:12, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: And while I am around - we have an <nowiki>{{incomplete}}</nowiki> template for cases where you want to say "More contents to be added!". I replaced it [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?916136 here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:15, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: I do think we actually don't know what version of name is stated on the title page, OCLC and the cover point towards Slawomir Mrozek, the reprint towards Sławomir Mrożek. But maybe it is better to wait for someone to take actually a look into the publication: it would be somewhat too tedious to enter all the titles possibly in vain. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 15:32, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Let me add that this addition was initialized by the SFE3 entry, which notes no distinction; do you think that this source may not be dependaple in that regard? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:11, 25 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: Unless you have a source contradicting the cover, I’d use what is on the cover for these and note that in the notes. Older English books are notorious for dropping any non-standard characters and I highly doubt that they used a different versions on the cover and on the title page. Online sources tend to overlook these and consider the age of the books as an explanation - we record as used on the book. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:19, 25 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Unintentional deletion ==<br />
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Hello Christian! I have completely unintentionally deleted a comment for your request. I was not familiar with this "rollback" and I did not know what it evokes. Fortunately Ahasuerus noticed it and corrected it. So please accept my apology. [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] ([[User talk:Rudam|talk]]) 11:36, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Sure, no problem! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 15:32, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Zyklus series and Series with Duplicate Numbers ==<br />
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Hello Christian, <br />
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Quite a lot of the Zyklus series had acquired repeated numbers based on your updates in the last months. The DB is not designed for that so we have a report to look for these so they can be corrected. Can you please look at the report [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?17 here] and clear these? If you would like to propose a change in the rules/conventions/practices which will allow these to stand as they are, please head to R&S and so on :) If you cannot see the report, let me know and I will post the list here. Thanks in advance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:09, 26 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Annie, can you please give an example, because 'Only moderators can access the specified cleanup report'? I do suspect that titles like 'Perry Rhodan (1. Aufl.) - 1984' as by uncredited are meant, which appears six times, each time varianted to a different parent title (!?) Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:33, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Looking more closely, it's more likely that titles like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1800838 Vorstoß nach Arkon] vs. the same-numbered (and in this case same-titled) [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1463714 Vorstoß nach Arkon] cause the problem (!?)<br />
:: It is the latter case - two titles with the same number in the same series. This is not a common scenario - the only other case we have that in the DB is a short story/interior art mixed series and I already pinged the editor who worked on it about it. And as usual, if this is not used that way in the DB, there may be underlying software issues when it is done (and having two separate different texts makes the series impossible to order properly. <br />
:: I wondered if the report is moderator only. Here is the complete list (series first, number that is repeated second, ignore the leading number (it is the report line):<br />
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231 PR Zyklus 18: Chronofossilien — Vironauten 1271.1<br />
232 PR Zyklus 18: Chronofossilien — Vironauten 1216.1<br />
233 PR Zyklus 15: Die Kosmischen Burgen 938.1<br />
234 PR Zyklus 16: Die Kosmische Hanse 1053.1<br />
235 PR Zyklus 5: Die Meister der Insel 214.1<br />
236 PR Zyklus 5: Die Meister der Insel 224.9<br />
237 PR Zyklus 4: Das Zweite Imperium 184.1<br />
238 PR Zyklus 4: Das Zweite Imperium 189.1<br />
239 PR Zyklus 4: Das Zweite Imperium 167.1<br />
240 PR Zyklus 4: Das Zweite Imperium 199.1<br />
241 PR Zyklus 3: Die Posbis 111.1<br />
242 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 77.1<br />
243 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 92.1<br />
244 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 56.1<br />
245 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 71.1<br />
246 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 69.1<br />
247 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 84.1<br />
248 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 86.1<br />
249 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 6.1<br />
250 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 11.1<br />
251 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 19.1<br />
252 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 30.1<br />
253 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 39.1<br />
254 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 8.1<br />
255 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 26.1<br />
256 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 2.1<br />
257 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 33.1<br />
258 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 4.1<br />
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:: Because they are all .1 I wonder if you were trying to do something somewhat creative but dumping them at the same number is not a good idea IMO. sorry for the formatting - these read better in edit mode - on my phone and formatting is hard from it. Any help you can provide clearing these will be very welcome :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 02:14, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Well, for the doubled numbers (like the above #39.1 'Vorstoß nach Arkon'): these titles all end at the same point in the respective internal chronology, they only were adapted in different ways. That's why I took to this solution. Christan [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:12, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::: But the DB is not really designed to allow that, neither is that a practice we use and this is not the only series with books running in parallel… so they need to get untangled and get different numbers. Using the publication order to order them inside of the decimals is the usual solution with notes that the stories take place at the same time. Plus you may know why you did that but no one else looking at the series would know. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:49, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::::: Okay! On re-thinking this issue most of the titles will have the respective ending of the final novella anyway (for 39.1 the ending of 39), though some will have some changed or added ending. The idea was just to sort out the original novellas from their adaptations. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:04, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::::: A subseries or set of a them maybe? We have a few other series where the original books were reworked/changed enough to require new title records and in these cases we make a subseries, add notes in the main series and in the subseries explaining the relationship (when known) and whatever number schemes there are. That way the series are also a lot more readable on the screen. Just throwing another idea your way while you are thinking on the best way to organize these. In all cases, write some notes on the series level explaining the special numbering - you know why you wanted to split them and why they belong where they belong, someone finding our records from internet who is not well versed at the Zyklus practices will get lost. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:46, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: I've thought about that, too. But since some the novellas were just translated, and the same ones were incorporated into fix-ups this would also lead to a (greater) mess. <br />
::::::: And for the French titles: they would then end up in different series (first they presented translations of the novellas, organized either in anthologies or collections; then changed to translations of the fix-ups). <br />
::::::: With more than 3,000 original novellas published so far in an ongoing chronology that was and is augmented with many additional tales, anyone hoping for readability or a fast grasping will be lost anyway, I think. But I'll add an explanatory note to the series; thanks for the idea. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:30, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::::::: Series in ISFDB are flat so sometimes you need to make compromises and take into account how they are implemented and how they look on a screen when someone looks at them. This would be solvable a lot easier if a book can belong to two or more series :) As they cannot, we do the best we can with what we have. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:35, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Hochzeit in Atomweiler [8] ==<br />
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Can you please add an author and a language to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3085505 this poor title]? No idea how you managed to leave it with no author but it somehow happened. I suspect it is Daniel Mróz but as you are around and it is a verified book, I prefer to check. :) It probably also need a page number (or alternatively it needs ejecting from the publication and deletion). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:17, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Must have been a systems hiccup since titles with no author are not allowed when submitting (and I'm sure I also added the page). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:42, 29 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: It's ''very'' ominous that there's no record of my latest update when I added the additional pieces of art last week in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?410909 the pub. edit history]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:49, 29 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Actually, that missing submission in the history explains what happened: the submission errored out midway through its run: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5432749 submission]. It happens occasionally (rarely but happens) and yes, that would produce a weird result. Check anything after that image though - as it seems it errored on it, anything after that may not have made it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 02:01, 29 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Der Botschafter ==<br />
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What is the source for the date of the parent [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5425727 here]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:24, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: A note on first publications in "Zabawa: Satire in lustloser Zeit". Sorry that the Polish chapbook was dated erroneously to 1981: there's no publication of it to be found at WordCat. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:49, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Approved and note added. Please make sure that ALL titles which have no publications attached confirming the date (and are not parents existing just to move the title to the canonical author) have notes explaining their dates' (and if needed - their titles') provenance. You already did the research if you are setting the date, just document it. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:01, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Self-approver flag set on the account ==<br />
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As per the outcome of the [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Applying_for_self-moderating Community Portal discussion], the self-approver flag has been set on your account. Please use it wisely :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:05, 29 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Will do. And more careful than before, too! Chrstian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 02:10, 30 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== I Am Alive and You Are Dead ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/iamaliveyouarede0000carr; Recently uploaded to Archive, notes here say date source unknown but it says the date on the copyright page, I added link and changed 01 to 00 in date, you may want to add info to notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:55, 11 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Zurück in die Steinzeit ==<br />
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The cover artist of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?491046 this] is not Boris Vallejo, but Tony Roberts, see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?276629 Survivor]. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] ([[User talk:Horzel|talk]]) 17:48, 12 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks! I ''was'' in doubt that Vallejo was the artist: there was no original English parent to be found. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:58, 15 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Cartoon: Rüsselmops, der Außerirdische (Perry Rhodan Report Nr. 198) ==<br />
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Please see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5443067 this edit] which impacts your verified pubs. Are these the same? Or should the second one actually be a different number? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:54, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Please reject, the later one should in fact bear the number of Report #199. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:10, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Rejected. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:38, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Ping-Pong mutations ==<br />
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Please stop [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?289 f#@$%ing around] or I'll make a request to revoke your self-approval rights. This is my last and final warning, I have clearly explained why you can't have it your way.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] ([[User talk:Dirk P Broer|talk]]) 16:24, 6 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: I don't know if you're aware of this, but since 2020 someone's uploaded many of these books, https://archive.org/search.php?query=scheer+darlton&sort=-addeddate, including the 1 in question, which I've added a link to in a pending edit. If I may give you some advice, after that lengthy argument recently about the page count of some old M.Z. Bradley work, Falcons of ?, and now this, there are clearly several people here who have a long-standing grudge against you, and after having several strikes already they would love to prevent you from ever being a self-moderator again. There are countless things to be done here, even after more than 15 years of regular folks being allowed to edit (as my 37,000 edits in less than 2 years can attest to), so if somebody says something should be a certain way, just let it go and move on to something else. The alternative is losing your self-mod status and having to wait endlessly for a mod to get around to approving your edits, which has been getting much worse lately. Believe me, you don't want that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:12, 6 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Please do make a request, Dirk, if you think it's up to a moderator's qualification to change verified publications without requesting (or even an information of) the verifier; this is quite below our standard, and you seem have taken to this habit lately. If you'd have asked, you would have been informed that the definition as CHAPBOOK is perfectly okay in light of [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive48#New_cleanup_report_-_Cleanup_report_to_find_CHAPBOOKs_with_multiple_fiction_titles this discussion]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:45, 7 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::: Okay, posted the problems you have at the moderator noticeboard. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:23, 8 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: @Username: these additions/transformations were done in joined accordance, see [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Linguist#French_Perry_Rhodan here] and the contemporary discussions: initially, the volumes were entered as novels, whereas they (from a certain point in time on and up to #199 of the French incarnation) contained translations of the original novellas, and thus need to be transformed accordingly. (This is one of the many things to do you mention). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:20, 8 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Posting and the Watchlists and histories ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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A small request: when editing your posts, please leave the title of the post in the "Summary:" field under the post. Look at [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard&curid=9221&action=history this history]. See how ALL updates (minor or not) but yours have the post name in front of them? When you delete that part when you are writing your own summary in that field, someone needs to go through comparisons to see what post you had edited and chase down the change making working through the board with multiple changes almost impossible to deal with (and almost ensuring that your edits may be lost if there are a lot of traffic - if someone does not have a reason to, they won't reread a post they do not realize has a new/changed message. So can you please leave the title of the post in the summary at all times? Thanks! 13:44, 9 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Okay, will do so in the future. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 02:51, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Mitkey Astromouse ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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If [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1562 this] is an adaptation for young readers, then it is not the same story and needs to be unvarianted and to be left on its own and connected only via the notes. We connect translations, we do not connect adaptations which change the story drastically. Let me know if your note is incorrect thus making it a proper variant. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:46, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: I'd say the adaptational part is only in the use of a somewhat less 'strong' language (more fit for children), and the story itself is represented completely. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:48, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::: Then it cannot be juvenile if the original is not. If if is adapted for children, it cannot be a variant. If it is a translation, it cannot be juvenile. You decide based on the text. If it is specifically adapted for children, I would never call it a variant personally. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 02:04, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:::: I haven't been aware that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5377091 an editor] changed it to juvenile, I'll change it back. <br />
:::: On translations vs. variant titles: there do exist translations that change the meaning of sentences, chapters or whole works into something different than the author had written. In this case I'd think there's not enough to validate a not-varianting. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 02:18, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan, #209: Im Banne der Scheintöter ==<br />
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Both Dirk Geiling's titles [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?921625 here] should be Interior art I suspect? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:48, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Of course! Corrected, thanks for finding this! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:49, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Das Hexenschiff - dating issues again ==<br />
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Hello Christian, <br />
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Can you please explain where did you get [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5273339 this date] from? When the date of a title is different from its first publication we have on the list, we either need a note explaining the provenance of the date OR that very first edition to be added. Same question for its parent and the chapbook it is in. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:53, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: Same question for the dates [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?703780 here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:55, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: And [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title_history.cgi?3043856 Deadwood — Stadt der Särge], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3040487 Der Jetset-Dämon], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3008984 Die Grabräuber], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3016229 Die Kreuzweg-Legende], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3038691 Die Vampir-Polizei], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3029975 Drei Gräber bis Atlantis], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3000479 Dämonenfalle Rom], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3034865 Geisterdämmerung], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3040487 Der Jetset-Dämon] and all their associated titles (short stories, covers and chapbooks and the parents where they exist). Unless you are adding the older version of the book(s) immediately, writing notes when you change the dates are mandatory. Some of these had been changed in March and had been just sitting unsupported for 8 months... Can you please go and fix these? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:00, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: And I found more... Can you see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?275 this report]? If you can, please get all the titles where you got weird dates on and fix them - either add the missing edition or add notes on every title where the date does not match the publications we have. If you cannot see the report, I will be happy to pull a complete list (in addition to the ones already listed above). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:03, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: All these associated titles were published initially in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1533 this series] and should have been dated accordingly upon entering the respective later publications (which I didn't do). But for the sake of it, I'll work through the list. Thanks for bringing this up. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:44, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::: That’s great that you know where the dates come from but someone else finding them won’t know what they are looking at and if someone is working this report, they may not be nice enough to come ask you and instead will just reset the dates to what the publications show this losing your work and some of the data. As a basic rule, unless you are adding the first editions as well, each title needs notes explaining the date’s provenance. That’s not “good to have” - it is a “must have”. Thanks for working on them. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 02:02, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Stanislaw-Lem-Bibliographie ==<br />
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Hi Christian, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3097650 this title] appears on the cleanup report for 'Variant Title Dates Before Canonical Title Dates'. I.m.o. the earlier version should be the parent, not the variant. Was this on purpose? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 04:18, 16 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Yes. I did this because the later one was more complete (adding new and formerly missed out publications & titles), and also because Klaus Staemmler was involved in the later one (and he seems to have added much of his knowledge). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:48, 16 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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::Thanks. Ignored, and thus removed from the report. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 11:09, 16 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Can Such Things Be? ==<br />
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Hi. Please, if you have time, to approve [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5493926 this submission] (5493926). It's a lot of work. Many thanks. --[[User:Terraflorin|Florin]] ([[User talk:Terraflorin|talk]]) 02:20, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry! I only am a self-approver right now; I'll post your request at [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:JLaTondre#A_request_of_approval JLaTondre's talk page]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 08:42, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::Edit has been approved. Florin, please add the variants to the original works. As the original was not all speculative fiction, if you find any contents that do not belong, they should be removed and deleted. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:46, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: Only the fantastic stories were translated in this book. Once again, many thanks. --[[User:Terraflorin|Florin]] ([[User talk:Terraflorin|talk]]) 14:32, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== New Worlds 3 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23795; Archive.org copy, https://archive.org/details/newworlds00garn, is 223 pages, not 219, in case you can check your copy and change if needed. I added a link in an edit to their copy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:37, 29 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Prager Ghettosagen ==<br />
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Hello Christian, <br />
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When you have a chance, can you see if you can find more about [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?923958 this book] in German sources - cover, format (hardcover or paperback) and the actual year or an explanation of the discrepancy as the two sources have different values). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:38, 1 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Sorry, nothing really dependable to be found. A hardcover publication seems to be the most likely one, though, and the Czech source is displayed courtesy of Charles University in Prague, and is properly sourced, so 1896 seems to be the year. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:55, 1 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Yeah, I figured 1896 was the more likely and I lean towards hc as well but as I am not very well versed in German-language Prague books from the end of the 19th century, I figured I should come and ask to see if you can find something else. The Czech sources don't have much more (besides confirming the year actually). Thanks for checking! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:07, 1 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Einige werden überleben ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I've credited the cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?346875 Einige werden überleben] to Sanjulian and noted the original appearance, where it was identified as his work. Hubert [[User:Peregrin|Peregrin]] ([[User talk:Peregrin|talk]]) 11:52, 2 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Thank you! One more riddle of this sometimes improperly credited covers solved! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:01, 2 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== World Cup Anthologies ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/agonyecstasyneww0000unse; Excellent work on A Book of Two Halves. Royle edited another anthology about football (soccer); 1 story is on ISFDB, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2382281. Other genre authors are in the contents; judging by the intro it sounds like at least a couple of the stories are futuristic, although there's also some non-fiction in this one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:02, 19 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks! I'll see if I can get hold of a copy of that one. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:20, 19 December 2022 (EST)<br />
::It's on Archive.org at the link I provided. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:25, 19 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: I've seen that, but in this case I prefer to have a copy for reading (and hopefully enjoying). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:27, 19 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:::: You had an actual print copy of Two Halves already or you bought one? Also, the archived copy of Agony is missing title page and copyright page and I don't see anywhere online that shows them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:58, 19 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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::::: I bought one: the line-up of authors got me interested (and it seems that Nicholas Royle is even better as editor than as author). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:41, 20 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Treffpunkt Knossos ==<br />
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Please see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5514044 this submission] that impacts your verified pub. Should the change (Baranek to Beranek) be accepted? If so, the publication record also needs to be updated. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:58, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Yes, please: I'll update the pub. record accordingly. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:03, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== In Laurins Blick: Das Buch deutscher Phantasten ==<br />
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Christian, I added the contents to the existing hc record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?485933 here] and created the pb record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?929721 here]. If you have time, will you look up the original publication dates for any new titles. Clearly it can't be 1982 since many of the authors died long before. Thanks for the help. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:58, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:You're right, this is a reprint anthology; some of the titles enclosed may have attributed with new titles, though. But I'll see what I can find out. Thanks for the link, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:02, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Correction: the last three pieces (by Franke, Frischmuth & Ende) seem to be original to this antholgy. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:12, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Die Unterdrückten ==<br />
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Cover art credit for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?410907 this] is wrong. It isn't Alan Daniels but Tim WHite. I have had confirmation from Tim's daughter who stated "Yes it is one of Tim's" --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 15:03, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Thank you very much! That's good to know. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:28, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Philip K. Dick's Electric Dreams: Volume One ==<br />
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Hi Christian, I'm looking at this set of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2275857 titles]. You and I are the only verifiers extant - [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?639476 yours here] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?930999 mine here]. For mine, I've entered the book title (as on the title page), and all the introductions as they appear at the head of each essay.<br />
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Could you check yours to see if yours are the same?<br />
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I've put a call for info on the [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Philip_K._Dick.27s_Electric_Dreams%3A_Volume_One_-_info_wanted Help Desk] in case anyone has a copy of the unverified pubs. That said, and if no further information is forthcoming, would you as a Moderator have any objections to me changing the titling on the unverified pubs?<br />
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If you agree that that is all correct, I'll make all the changes necessary and post you the results back here. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:10, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Yes, please proceed. You don't have to post the results, though, I'll take a look when the publicazion has been changed. Thanks in advance, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:41, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for that :) I'll wait a bit to see if there're any responses on the Help desk. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:47, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Nova, #31 ==<br />
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Hello Christian, in {{P|877392|this pub}} the page count doesn't fit.<br />
* The last numbered page is p. 326 -> ok<br />
* followed by a page with an uncredited photo portrait of Helmut Wenske -> p. 327<br />
* one page with a small ad for the publisher -> p. 328<br />
* the inside backcover featuring an ad -> p. 329 or not counted<br />
* page 331 (the inside back cover) -> it should p. 329 or not counted<br />
* Total page count 332 -> I think p. 328 without covers and inside covers<br />
Please take a look. Many thanks [[User:Henna|Henna]] ([[User talk:Henna|talk]]) 15:33, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: Chiming in with the relevant help page: Magazines page rules are different. :) You count ALL pages PLUS the 4 covers - so if the magazine has 328 pages without the covers, it is recorded as 332. See [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Pages the help page]: "For magazines, the rule is to use the actual page count - including the cover. For example, early issues of Fantastic Universe numbered the interior pages from 1 to 192, not counting the front or back covers. This would be entered into the ISFDB record as "196"." [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:47, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Hello Annie and Christian, strange rules. Good Night. [[User:Henna|Henna]] ([[User talk:Henna|talk]]) 18:37, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== German Science Fiction Times Nr. 118/19 ==<br />
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Hi Christian, I have managed to get my hands on the Feb/March edition and on p. 39 it states that (a) with the beginning of February 1971 Moewig has changed its day of publication from Wednesday to Friday and (b) that Perry Rhodan Nr. 500 would be published on 26 March 1971.<br />
This means that our theory of the 'missing week' occurring in 1972 is wrong. Instead Moewig must have changed its day of publication ''at least'' twice, i.e from Friday to Wednesday sometime in the late 1960s and the back to Friday in 1971. Actually this is very similar to what Pabel-Moewig did in December 2003, when the day switched from Tuesday (PR 2206 / 2 Dec 2003) to Friday (PR 2207 / 5 dec 2003).<br />
I am still looking for older editions of SFT to pinpoint the first change.<br />
What to do: My suggestion is that we <br />
* change the dates starting Feb 1971<br />
* this places PR 493 / TN 163 on 5 February<br />
* The preceding numbers, i.e. PR492 / TN 162 would be moved from Friday, 5 February to Wednesday, 3 February with corresponding notes.<br />
Do you concur? Anybody else that we should involve before going ahead?<br />
Best, John [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] ([[User talk:JLochhas|talk]]) 05:13, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Yes, that sounds absolutely reasonable. I don't know of anybody else as PV for this period of time (1971-1973). Let's go ahead. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 05:23, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::You must now be swamped with changes... It's done, please do me a favour cross-check the series' notes - just in case I got lost in detail. Many thanks! Best, John [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] ([[User talk:JLochhas|talk]]) 03:34, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Thank '''you''' for doing this load of work, John! Will take a look into the notes, but on first glanve it looks well done. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:10, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Clive Barker Image ==<br />
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Hi Christian -<br />
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Could you please take a look at [[ISFDB:Community Portal#Clive Barker Author Photo|this discussion]. There has been a third edit to change the author image and I think we need to reach a consensus rather than continue to churn the image. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:27, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Glukhovsky - Metro — Die Trilogie ==<br />
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Hi Christian, there's no PV for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?747217 this pub] but you have edited it previously. There's a missing length for 'Das Ende der Straße'. Could you sort it please. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:52, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I'm not entirely sure if it's a novelette or a novella, but the first is more likely, so I'll change it accordingly and insert a cautionary note. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:01, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for doing that. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 11:06, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Valentine ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?25420; I just did a bunch of edits for books from that publisher, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5583283, ...5583285, ...5583289, and ...5583290, which should be approved sometime soon, and I suggest that the publisher should be changed to Fragments West / The Valentine Press like it says in the books (or at least the ones I saw). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:19, 15 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: No problem with that. I'll do the change for the publication I have a copy of. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:37, 15 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Tinted edges in PR pubs ==<br />
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Hello Christian. I have just verified {{P|872615|this pub}}, and noticed the tinted edges. Have you ever come across others like it ? Thanks, [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] ([[User talk:Linguist|talk]]) 10:54, 16 February 2023 (EST).<br />
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: Yes, a few have those. Shall I note that for the ones I verify/-ied? Maybe it was done for a certain period of time, I'll take a look. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:06, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: For now it does seem that this may have been a feature of this bunch of publications, #s 13-24 (though #29 may also count: either its edges were bleached by time or tinted with a very light yellow). I only have a few of those and will add more to the publications next week. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:51, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::OK, thanks. I noted it because from my point of view, it is rather exceptional in Fleuve Noir publications (but rather common in early Livre de Poche, for instance). [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] ([[User talk:Linguist|talk]]) 04:14, 17 February 2023 (EST).<br />
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== Queen of the Country Problem ==<br />
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I need a favor. This was rejected, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5583237, and there is absolutely no way that I'm entering all that info again. Prime Books has been one of the most vexing publishers I've done edits for, and in this case the copy of Goldberg's posthumous collection on Archive.org which I entered 2 years ago, when I didn't know very well what I was doing, was come across again recently by me and the above edit was made. I think I've done all I can do with this book, but the WorldCat verification by you seems to point to this, https://books.google.com/books?id=fkTx3mYODQAC, which looks the same on the back cover but has a different ISBN for God only knows what reason. There's some confusion with one of these ISBN linking up with a P.K. Dick book or something and I don't know what to say about that, but I think Prime just messed up as usual. So can you enter a new record cloning this book, entering the different ISBN, and moving your verification over to that so this mod can un-reject my edit? Thanks in advance. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:08, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I think your submission was rejected because of the change of the ISBN, right? This ISBN ''does'' fit the entry at WorldCat ''and'' it leads you to the Goldberg book at Amazon; whereas the other ISBN is connected to a PKD collection at WorldCat. Is the latter one stated anywhere in the Goldberg book? (But even if so, the other one likely has to be also in there, I think). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:22, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::The scan on Archive.org has the ISBN-13 on its copyright page that's in my rejected edit while its back cover barcode has an ISBN-10, 0-8095-5636-7, and the ISBN-13 below that. Confusion sets in because as can be seen in my edit the scan URL is for a P.K. Dick book. I can only surmise that they issued a new printing with the correct ISBN because the scan on Google Books has a higher number, ISBN-10 978-0-8095-7308-0 on its copyright page and ISBN-13 0-8095-7308-3 on its back cover with the ISBN-13 below that. So I think the edition I entered is the first and WorldCat ISBN is second, so a new record needs creating for the second and ID moved so my edit can be un-rejected. In a weird coincidence, I was looking at the old Eternity Online site at pulpeternity.com for story links I could add to ISFDB and while it was mostly fruitless because they either only gave extracts from stories they published in their print magazine or broke full stories up into parts, some of which are dead making adding the links pointless, right there amid all that mess was a story from 1998 by Goldberg, "One More Vietnam Story", which was reprinted in Queen of the Country as "Another Vietnam Story" and supposedly original even though it was published nearly 10 years earlier. Have I ever mentioned how much I dislike Prime Books? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:57, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Yes, I tend toward appreciating that I don't own any of their books (hope so). But for the problem we face: I think it's best to assume there is a later edition with the ISBN documented at WorldCat (at least, it only states the copyright year of 2008), and to set this edition to 'unknown'. What do you think? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:38, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::: I agree. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:30, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::: Okay, done. I think I also have put in the changes & additions you submitted. Before you clone this: may it be worth a thought that the issuing with the other ISBN occurred after the 'right' one? (After all, the PKD collection seems to have been published only in the following year, 2009). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 02:00, 18 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::This isn't what I asked you to do. My edit shouldn't have been rejected by the mod in the first place, they should have asked on my message board why I changed the ISBN and I would have explained as I did above here, and then you were supposed to clone it and move your WorldCat ID over to that and enter the ISBN as it is on WorldCat and the copy on Google Books. What you did here is add the alternate ISBN to the existing record. I give up. You guys take care of it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:21, 18 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::: It's debatable if your submission should have been rejected: at least it countered the existing OCLC and the Amazon entries. And I did just what we agreed upon above. There really seem to exist at least two editions (or printings), each of them with a different ISBN. One of the remaining questions is: which of them came first? Since there doesn't seem to be an answer right now: maybe it'd be best to set both of them to 'unknown'. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 08:29, 18 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::::No, because I asked you above, "So can you enter a new record cloning this book"; you didn't clone it and move over your ID and ISBN, you just added "date unknown" to the existing record that I created a few years ago, it doesn't make sense to clone that because the edition on Google/WorldCat is likely the later one; I see now that you also changed the cover artist and added a dash to her name, which is wrong because there's no dash in her name on the back cover of the Archive.org copy or the Google copy; it should have been made a variant. This book was confusing enough to work on, now everything here is confused and I really don't feel like doing anything else with it so you and the mod and whoever else can clean it up. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:52, 18 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::::::: If your submission would have been approved the ISBN would had to be reinstalled: there was a secondary verification for that specific ISBN; that is just plain ISFDB policy. If there does pop up another publication of a title with a different ISBN we do add a new publication record for it, according to our etiquette. The publication I added a secondary verification for is likely the later one, but that is not entirely sure: Amazon still gives a January 2008 date for it (but it's possible that this is erroneous). Alas, we seem to not have a date for the copy to be found at archive.org. That ain't nice, but seems to reflect our state of knowledge. If you can come up with hard facts about the dates or the chronological order of the publications: that would be appreciated. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 15:28, 18 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Unintended link ==<br />
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Christian, <br />
Consider disabling the template [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Stonecreek/Archive1#Photo_of_Kir_Bulychev here], it's linking your archive page to [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Author_images here], [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Fair_use_images here] and [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Category:Photographer:Philip_Smith_Images&action=edit&redlink=1 here]. I happened to be looking at Category:Author images and noticed it. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:55, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Hi! Thanks for the hint. I think I have worked upon the disconnection. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:14, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Submissions still pending ==<br />
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Hi Stonecreek,<br />
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I have made 2 submissions on January 27: 5560464 and 5560612. I got a welcome message from MagicUnk on February 13, but because my submissions are still pending, I have asked him, how long it could take until it's approved (or rejected). He told me that he is not able to make these approvals due to not enough knowledge about the Perry Rhodan and Atlan series. He told me also that there are already entries, albeit with a different date. It's because there were different editions. In the case of Atlan 154 it's the second editon and in the case of Perry Rhodan 215 it's the fourth edition, which are still missing in ISFDB.<br />
He gave me the advice to contact you. So, here I am. These submissions are important for me, because they contain some of my old works. And I want to use (the complete) bibliography as a reference for a possible new publication.<br />
So, I hope you can help me. If there should be anything wrong with my submission, please tell me.<br />
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[[User:Pinudeycos|Pinudeycos]] ([[User talk:Pinudeycos|talk]]) 07:57, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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: If it would be okay that the dates, credits, notes and contents might be adjusted to the existing overall scheme (like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2793526 here] for the 1981 publications of Atlan (2. Aufl.)), I see no problem of approving them: I'll ping MagicUnk. <br />
: Thanks for contributing! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:57, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Thank you very much! [[User:Pinudeycos|Pinudeycos]] ([[User talk:Pinudeycos|talk]]) 11:10, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::My submissions are online now. I really appreciate your quick help! Keep continuing this great work with ISFDB. [[User:Pinudeycos|Pinudeycos]] ([[User talk:Pinudeycos|talk]]) 18:13, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: Thanks for the kind words, and if there's anything you think should be added to our little database, please contribute and/or ask for help with adding. Also, please let me know when the republication of your works comes into the hot stage. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:20, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Plan D ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
<br />
When adding Bulgarian books from German and/or English sources which do not show Cyrillic letters, please keep in mind that Bulgarian uses the Cyrillic alphabet exclusively. With a few notable exceptions, that includes the author name, the publisher name and the title itself. If you cannot find the information as it is shown on a title page/cover or cannot work in the alphabet, please either leave a note on my page so I can clean up the record after you add it or just leave me a note so I can add the book and I will be happy to assist. Even checking Goodreads would have given you the correct title for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?941740 this book] although a local source is always preferred. I will be happy to assist with any other European languages where you cannot get the correct spelling of titles/authors/publishers as well. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:31, 18 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Unfortunately, Annie is right: it's hard to get the spelling and other subtleties like inflections right when working with languages -- and especially alphabets/scripts -- that you are not familiar with. I have entered a lot of English translations of Japanese "light novels" as well as their Japanese language parent titles (mostly using Amazon JP), but my attempts to create publication records for Japanese pubs have been less than successful. Luckily, we have editors who are familiar with Japanese, Bulgarian, Russian and a number of other languages. Please don't hesitate to ask for help when you come across them. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:31, 18 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Okay. I thought that when OCLC uses the Latin alphabet this would ensure that the book was published using that. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:47, 19 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: OCLC/Worldcat get their data from member libraries. Different libraries have used different data entry standards over the years, just like we have used different data entry standards. The result is that OCLC's data can be messy, especially for languages which do not use Latin characters. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:08, 19 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Boken om Pippi Långstrump ==<br />
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We have the parent collection of three Pippi novellas as 2015 ''Boken om Pippi Långstrump'' T{{t|2937288}} with your title note "There may (quite likely) have been earlier editions". Does this parent COLLECTION represent a 2015 Swedish-language publication that you identified but chose not to add to the database? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:39, 24 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: That's right. I found at Amazon only a 2015 publication but do strongly assume that there was a previous one in Swedish (and I personally would like to enter that first). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 14:42, 24 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: British Library record BL 002174012 reports 232-page Rabén & Sjögren 1952.<br />
:: I don't find that edition at WorldCat[*]; only these two as earlier than 2015:<br />
:: [https://worldcat.org/title/255600782 OCLC 255600782] as 1969 4th ed? <br />
:: [https://worldcat.org/title/728651122 OCLC 728651122] as 1982, series Från Pippi till Ronja ... which must be [https://libris.kb.se/bib/7235299 SE LIBRIS 7235299].<br />
:: * WorldCat search ti:"Boken om Pippi" ; sort by Title A-Z<br />
:: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:26, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Would you think that the British Library record is trustworthy enough to date the title to 1952? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 16:26, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: I see now that KB.se is the national library of Sweden. I will trust that.<br />
:::: [https://libris.kb.se/hitlist?f=simp&q=%22Boken+om+Pippi+L%c3%a5ngstrump%22&r=&m=10&s=rc&t=&d=libris&p=3 search LIBRIS.kb.se]: shows editions 1 to 4 illustrated by Ingrid Vang Nyman 1952, 1962, 1966, 1969 (232, 232, 240, 240 pages) and "5., omarb. uppl." 1978, 246 pp, "Vang-Nyman". There I stop.<br />
:::: Now I redate the parent COLLECTION as 1952. No SV publications, which I leave to you. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:17, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::: Thank you. It will take a little bit of time to catch up with those Swedish publications, though: other projects demand quite a bit of work. But I will eventually get to them. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:04, 1 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Series title - Introductions, afterwords and notes for Isaac Asimov’s own work ==<br />
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Hello Christian, as I'll be adding to the series, I'm of the opinion that this title is too long, overly prescriptive and intrusive at pub level. In keeping with other essay series (for instance "Asimov's Essays: F&SF", "Letters: Isaac Asimov"), I propose changing it to "Asimov's Essays: own work". This would also suggest a subsequent series title "Asimov's Essays: other's work". If you're in agreement, could you process [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5646611 this submission] or hold it if not. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:41, 26 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I have no problem with this change. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:20, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Can we use proper capitalization for series names please? :) I've fixed this one when I approved it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:01, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Will do :) Thanks for fixing that Annie. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 17:14, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Inge Holm ==<br />
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Hello Christian!<br />
:Can you look on this submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5636802].It seems that you had made this specific record at that time. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] ([[User talk:Rudam|talk]]) 13:09, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Sorry, Rudolf, can't look into the submission. Can you tell what's the intended change? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:57, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: As I am around and not sure Rudolf is still around: No change, just a note "Inge Holm and Inge Heym are not identical. Inge Holm is Inge Holm and the wife of author Malte Heim. She is younger than Malte Heim, who was born in 1940." [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:21, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: I'm still sceptical without a note on the source for this. If you take a look at the Wikipedia entry: it states that Inge Heym was born as Inge Holm, and it seems to be a bit of a coincidence that Inge Heim (as Malte Heim's wife) also would have an alternate name of Inge Holm. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 15:11, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: On the other hand, it seems possible that such things happen, somehow that also depends on who supplied the information. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:54, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::Hello Christian!<br />
::::::1. Sorry, but I didn't know you couldn't open the link.<br />
::::::2. In the Wiki entry of Inge Heym is no hint to detect, that she is involved with SF.<br />
::::::3. All ISFDB entries of Inge Holm have the copyright for Inge Holm.<br />
::::::4. FYI the submitter is Ronald Hahn! Maybe he is right with his statement. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] ([[User talk:Rudam|talk]]) 09:53, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: Ad 2): Right, there's no hint for her, but Inge Heym's husband [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?5661 Stefan Heym] did write some titles of sf interest around the same time when Inge Holm was active in the scene.<br />
::::::: Ad 4): Anyway, I'd trust Ronald M. Hahn anytime: he likely knows most German language people active in the 1970s & 1980s in person, and is as author of dependable reference works trustworthy. <br />
::::::: Thus, I adapted the author entry accordingly: if there's anything to add, please do so. Thanks for the informational update! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 15:51, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::::I look exactly like that and have therefore approved the submission. Thanks for the modification. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] ([[User talk:Rudam|talk]]) 05:07, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Accents ==<br />
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It doesn't seem to be necessary to transliterate names or titles with a single accent as á, é, ó, ú or à, è, ò, ù because the search function will find the elements even if they are spelled as a, e, o , u. Try "Rebelion en la galaxia". --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 01:30, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Well, it should, I do think. Transliteration was thought of for "non-Latin alphabet/script", and the Latin alphabet doesn't know of accents. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 02:10, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::If I may step in... try "Was machen wir bloß mit Ragland Park?". An interesting point you've raised Zapp. I wonder what the search function's full capabilities are, there's nothing much in the help that I can find. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:58, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Ahah, there's this [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#How_does_the_ISFDB_deal_with_Unicode_and_accented_characters.3F How does the ISFDB deal with Unicode and accented characters?]. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:16, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Well 'ß' is an unknown letter (except for German), the accents are something different, but both possibilties stand for non-Latin letters. (Though "Was machen wir bloß mit Ragland Park?" does work with the simple (not the advanced) search). Christian 07:55, 12 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: Just to chime in as one of the users in the non-Latin-based languages - the problem is not the search for bloß, the problem is that people who cannot produce ß should be able to type ss instead - and that won't be found unless we have a variant dropping the Eszett. Thus the requirement for the transliteration. The search can find any text that matches exactly - known letters or not. <br />
:::: The accents are slightly different. Technically, latin-1 (which is what we use) treats them as the same character as their main letter - that's why we cannot have the author name as variant with and without them for example - for the DB they are the same letter. As such, they really do not need transliteration. But they do not harm anything so I am not going to remove them if someone adds them. And they should not be used in directory entries (the directory name on the author page). Hope that clarifies things a bit. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:50, 12 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::As I've been submitting a lot of transliteration edits, could you clarify whether Latin Extended-A, Latin Extended-B or Latin Extended Additional characters should be transliterated? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 13:38, 12 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: I personally do think so: if a directory name needs to be transliterated, the author's name and the legal name should be so; and if those are transliterated it seems logical to apply the same to titles. (But if you don't want to go into this with accents, you don't need to).<br />
:::::: There are some more specialities: ø, ö, ä, ü, œ etc. etc. need to be transliterated, I think. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:46, 12 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::: ø, ö, ä, ü, œ and other critters like that should always be transliterated because if you cannot type them, you cannot find the book. With accented letters, as the search will find them anyway, it does not matter but it does not harm. The easiest way to decide? Search for the title without any of the accents in our standard search. If it can be found with no transliteration, you are good. If it cannot be found? We need a transliteration. Alternatively, let the cleanup reports regenerate on these and only add to the ones it complains about for the ones you are not sure about. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:54, 12 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== German Artist Martin H. ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=author_canonical&O_1=contains&TERM_1=martin+hof&C=AND&USE_2=author_language&O_2=exact&TERM_2=German&USE_3=author_canonical&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=author_canonical&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=author_canonical&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=author_canonical&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=author_canonical&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=author_canonical&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=author_canonical&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=author_canonical&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=author_canonical&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Author]; I suspect either they spelled his name differently or someone entered it differently here. Same artist? I think you're PV for all of them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:04, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I verified two of the three publications. But both names are oftenly used in German (not too far away from [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?156436 Andreas Müller]), and thus three possibilities are given: the three items are by one and the same, or they are by different people (and it is even possible that there are three different men involved). The thing to look up is if there's an address given, but I can't do that for the publication in the fanzine "Extravenös", you'll have to ask the PV for that. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 05:39, 14 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== [[User:Stoecker]]'s complaint ==<br />
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When you have a moment, please review [[User:Stoecker]]'s post on [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard]] and respond. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:51, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Gregg Mullen/Suvin Book ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5668492; I fixed first and second volumes and left Rkihara a message about that but I noticed you also PV the second one and the notes for it cut off mid-sentence, in case you were the writer and want to finish whatever they should say. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:03, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Artist attribution correction ==<br />
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I see that you [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5653417 fixed the spelling of Jaime Jones's name] on 2023-05-03 -- the original misspelling goes back to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5074969 this 2021-09-04 submission by Biomassbob], which was apparently propagated via ClonePub.<br />
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Please make sure to notify the primary verifier when changing the spelling of artist names since it's always possible that the name was mangled in the publication. In some cases particularly unusual names are misspelled by the publisher in over 20% of all pubs :-( [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:41, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I looked this up with the help of Amazon's Look Inside (and it is "Cover illustration by Jaime Jones" on the copyright page): things like this misspellings do happen when names or titles get typed, there just is a quota of errors. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:51, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Yes, I saw what Amazon's records states. However, please keep in mind that Amazon's cover images and Look Inside information can change over time. Major publishers supply Amazon with pre-publication files, which they later replace with final, corrected, files. Typically, Amazon replaces pre-publication files with post-publication files, but sometimes their data entry people make mistakes. Moreover, when publishers correct something in a subsequent printing, they usually send an updated file to Amazon, which then updates its cover scan and Look Inside data, thus erasing all traces of what the original printing looked like. (Amazon records used be more stable, but their policies have changed over the last decade.)<br />
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:: I maintain our English translations of Japanese "light novels" and I run into this issue quite often. Sometimes the US publisher changes the spelling of the author's Romanized name, e.g. "Necoco" to "Nekoko". Other times the publisher reverses the order of the first and the last name (the family name is given first in Japanese), and so on. Amazon typically overwrites the original version with the latest version, so I have to use other sources to determine what the first printing said.<br />
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:: This pervasive instability of online records is one of the reasons why the system of "primary verifications" was created in the mid/late-2000s and why it's important to state our sources in the Note field. Primary verifications are supposed to be stable and serve as our "gold standard" for verifiability. Please make sure that you notify primary verifiers when correcting their verified records. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:15, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Okay, I'll do that in the future. Thanks for the explanation. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:23, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Publication Authors That Are Not the Title Author ==<br />
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Can you please resolve the mismatch between the canonical title and the publication title authors in the following: So <br />
* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?507992 Enigmes du passé]<br />
* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?590647 L'invasion des invisibles]<br />
* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?856579 La flotte fantôme]<br />
They all originated because of you changing just one of the records when you added (French) to the names of K.-H. Scheer and Clark Darlton. Just as a note, it is never a good idea to change an author name on a title/pub and not to clean up the other one. :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:18, 25 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks for the hints to these: for these French Perry Rhodans there is always a whole bunch of things to do: adding the novellas & other missing contents & varianting them, adjusting the title type (typically for variant & parent), the month of publication & the notes, adding links, and also correcting the credits.<br />
: I'll try to avoid omissions like those pointed at above, but it might happen again occasionally: distractions do happen to pop up, even if one doesn't ask for them. ;-(<br />
:: Yep. I tend to open all that needs editing in separate tabs on a separate browser window so I do not miss/forget them when I go for large-scale changes. And then look over everything when I am done - especially when I am shifting authors and titles around. Much more likely to remember what I was doing at this point and finish it than a few weeks later when I spot it incomplete. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:39, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Monsterfrösche aus Atlantis ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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The number you added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2835927 here] is the same as the number of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2978778 this story]. Can you figure out which one is wrong and fix it? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:11, 25 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks, Annie. This one has slipped through under John's and mine's radar: because there were 50 novellas featuring the ghosthunter published before he got his own magazine, the number of 50 has to be added to the novellas published in the latter. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 05:44, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: That is why I don't even try to resolve these - I just point them to you or John (whoever edited the one that is weird) and let you figure out what happened. :) <br />
:: PS: I find it useful to add notes on the series level for this kind of shifting numbers - then someone coming into the series blind may be able to figure out what may have happened (and not undo all the work you had done because they think they know better). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:42, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Good idea, will do! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:14, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Robotspion ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5683407; 143 pages. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:18, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mother Was a Lovely Beast ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23009; Added LCCN, they say xiii in pages, Archive.org copy agrees, should xiv be changed to xiii? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:23, 24 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Sorry, can't judge on this as I'm on vacation and don't have access to the book right now. From here I'd judge that there should be an even number of Roman numbered pages. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:46, 27 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Midas ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?334458; https://fantlab.ru/images/editions/plus/big/389298_14; Photo includes a price. Is it not in your copy? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 01:39, 29 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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As I remember my copy there was no price printed on it. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:17, 30 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Herrscher über dreizehn Welten ==<br />
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Hi, I found a curious thing in Your pv pub [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?660650 here]. On the cover and in all external IDs the title is "Herrscher der 13 [dreizehn] Welten". Maybe there is a difference on title page? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 09:07, 2 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks for the hint. I'll look this up when I'm back home. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:08, 2 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== ßs transliteration ==<br />
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Hello Christian, could you tell me if Süßschwesterlein is transliterated as Suesschwesterlein or Suessschwesterlein. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:26, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure! ß is transliterated into the Latin double s, so it is the latter. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:56, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:05, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ganze Mensch ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=ganze-mensch+john&sort=-addeddate; I've been adding a lot of mostly English-language John Brunner books today and I came across this which is not English. You PV earlier edition so I thought you might like to enter this one which is from 1991, I think, with a much higher price (9.80?). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:14, 11 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Yes, thank you! I'll look up what I can find about the month of publication and then add it. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:19, 11 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Smith - Phönix ==<br />
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Hi Christian, looking at this {{T|1622215|title record}} I see it dated as 1970-00-00, but the 1970 translation (actually 1970-03-00) was titled Prometheus. Although they were both translated by Bergner, and are likely the same work, they have different titles. Perhaps yours should be a 1985-05-00 variant of Phoenix 1954-04-00 instead? Please check. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:17, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Also {{T|1364867|Tödliche Flaute}} - should this be 1984-07-00? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:39, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: The first should actually be dated to 1985, the second was correct: I edited both, correcting the first & adding a note to the second. Thanks for the hint! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:48, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Egan - Vergegenständlichungstour ==<br />
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Hello Christian, you've got a weird date {{T|1547773|here}} :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:34, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Well, it ''is'' intentional! (to order the anthologies edited by Jeschke). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:12, 17 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::I thought it was something like that - I just couldn't find it :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:57, 17 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Das Mädchen am Abhang ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5752209; I added FantLab link last December but didn't enter contents' # for some reason so I did today and noticed 1 story on ISFDB isn't on the contents page, in case you know why and want to remove it if necessary. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:51, 25 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Well, I don't own this publication, which is a selection of the short fiction pieces published in "Polaris 2". So, I'd guess you're right about the addition. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:02, 27 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== John Sinclair Editor ==<br />
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Hi Christian, you may be pleased to know that Britta Künkel quit working for Bastei Lübbe with the end of August - and as per Facebook she has been the JS editor all along and for something over ten years. [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] ([[User talk:JLochhas|talk]]) 13:08, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks, John! Good to know something like this. It'd be nice if Bastei Lübbe would be as informative as Pabel-Moewig: it'd make things so much easier for us. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:24, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Blache and Macdonald's Prophet - UK hc(s) ==<br />
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Hi, you added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?968665 this pub] just over a week ago. Thanks for catching a UK pub (and title) that I missed, but I've just made an update, as it turns out that this is an export edition, according to [https://blackwells.co.uk/bookshop/product/9781787334304 Blackwell's]. The "regular" UK hc is [https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/454038/prophet-by-blache-helen-macdonald-and-sin/9781787334298 9781787334298], which I will add in a second.<br />
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(I'm not sure what the point of an export HC is - I think I've only seen large-format tps, before, and I assumed that they did that because the slightly lower weight makes the shipping easier/cheaper?)<br />
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Weirdly, when I visit Amazon UK from a UK IP address, it only shows me the "regular" UK hc, not the pub you added. If I search on the latter's ISBN, it just shows me the other pubs. Strange...<br />
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In my experience, Blackwell's is quite good at listing UK export editions, but none of the other vendor or publisher sites reliably list them. If you do come across a UK pub that isn't already in the database, please let me know, if only so that I can scrape some data for any other formats like ebook or audios. Hopefully I am catching most of the pubs from UK genre imprints prior to publication, but I definitely miss a lot of the "literary" and children's/YA titles :-(<br />
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Thanks! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 16:09, 8 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Will do! Thinking about it, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?969131 here] is another book I added lately that may fall into the same category. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 16:19, 8 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks - that one wasn't on my radar at all, so I've start scraping info for it from the UK sites, and will start adding the other pubs. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 16:26, 8 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Eccentric Orbits: An Anthology of Scienc ==<br />
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Christian, what are you doing? I approved [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5764856 this submission] adding the new publication at 10:21:05. While I was creating the submission to correct errors and bring it in line with standards, you started editing the publication. Your first edit was at 10:29:23. Eight minutes after first approval. Imagine my surprise when I approved my submission at-12 10:40:15 and saw you hade made four edits. I now have to re review and then write my note to the submitter. I want an answer. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:53, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Well, the exact date was missing, and the spelling of the title was not to the regularity standards; also an image was missing. All this I added after waiting some minutes: I had the impression that you had left it for later and just wanted to help. Sorry if I interferred. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:00, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Not good enough, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:03, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?66690; First book, PV by Wendy Van Camp, has Dimentionfold as publisher, unlike others which have Dimensionfold. PV only has 1 message on their page so unlikely to get a response from her; probably a simple typing mistake that needs correcting. https://www.scribd.com/read/455301930/Eccentric-Orbits-Eccentric-Orbits-1. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:04, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Next time, I'll wait somewhat longer upon improving entries (and the entry was improved). It really was a erroneous impression I fell to; again: sorry for that. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:21, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Eclipse Series ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?20149; I added links to all 4 volumes in PENDING edits (#2 and #4 are OL-only no-borrow copies) and noticed that the subtitle for #1 was not added to its editions like it was for the others. Should it be added or should it be removed from the others since they all say the same thing and it's not a unique subtitle? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:27, 27 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks for finding this: the subtitle should be included & I'll do it. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:31, 27 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== R. D. Laing Epigraph ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I'm drawing your attention to {{T|3218827|this title}}. Translations may occur in all three publications given here if you'd like to check; {{T|1436214|Planet der Frauen}}. Btw, I've submitted date change 2010-11-11 to 1975-02-00, and modified the note. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:11, 8 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: In the earlier publications with Knaur / Droemer Knaur this piece only seemed to be a motto. I'll see if I can get hold of a copy of the 2000 publication and see if it's in any way extended for that later edition. Thanks for pointing towards this! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:02, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::The essay is only a short piece but I think it's a cut above the usual oblique references that authors include - and it gives a good grounding for the main novel. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:10, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Le roi au masque d'or et autres nouvelles ==<br />
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You found an OCLC entry for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?974996 this pub], but OCLC says it is in English, also the subtitle is. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 16:48, 16 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:That there's an erroneous language assigned with entries at OCLC does happen quite frequently. Usually (as with this publication) the reason is that the source library is in a different country than that the publictaion was issued in. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 05:06, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ring of Thoth ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?194121; I added 2 Archive.org links in a PENDING edit and noticed the alternate title doesn't have the colon. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:54, 16 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Das zerrissene Land ==<br />
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Recently got [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?345197 Das zerrissene Land] at a library sale, and I added some content to the already existing record. Could you check it out and see if I got it right, as you verified a later printing. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 02:41, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Looks good so far. I'll see if I can find some information on the month of publication and add it then. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:21, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Thanks. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 12:15, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I added OL ID in a PENDING edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:41, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Foundation #83 - Cover Art ==<br />
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You have PVd [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?451343 Foundation, #83 Autumn 2001]. Would you mind taking a look at [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:PeteYoung#Jon_Courtenay_Grimwood_.2F_Pashazade this discussion] and advising whether you have any objection to removing the coverart record from Foundation #83. Thanks. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:37, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: It's absolutely okay for me to remove the credit (in fact I just did so): the credit really was derived from the novel entry. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 08:49, 27 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Christian Steinbacher ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?283688; Is that you? If so, you may want to add your day of birth. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:08, 27 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Well, my point of view is that we are a db for fiction, and I tend to think we basically should keep detailed life dates for the authors of those works (and associated artists, of course). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:22, 27 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK. I came across this, https://www.stifterhaus.at/stichwoerter/christian-steinbacher, but it may not be you because the birth year is different. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:16, 27 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: No, this isn't me: some years ago, I got a book (a collection of poems) by this Austrian author as a tongue-in-cheek birthday present (but he is basically nongenre). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:50, 27 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Gedankennetz ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?648007; An archived link was uploaded last year so I added a link in a PENDING edit; I couldn't quite get a handle on the page count but I don't think it's 184 so can you check, https://archive.org/search?query=gedankennetz, and fix if needed? I also added cover artist Thomas Franke's photo from FantLab in another edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:11, 27 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:The page count is based on the publisher's web site (which is ususally reliable): the last page of the text may be unnumbered. <br />
:Thanks for the Franke image: so far, I couldn't find one. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:48, 27 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Katja Brandis ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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If you are bored, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?212388 Katja Brandis]'s page can use a German editor (we are missing a lot of [https://www.katja-brandis.de/alle-buecher/ books] and she seems to be getting translated so they keep popping up). I have it somewhere on my list to work through them but it will take awhile to get to her so figured I may as well ping you and see if you are interested. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:01, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: HA! No, I'm not really bored, but I'll look up (and add) some interesting books to the list, for example the missing second volume in the Woodwalkers series. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:08, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::: The first and the third need German editions as well :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:40, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::: I'm at it! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:43, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Quotation marks ==<br />
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Hi, I'm still unsure about the correct use of quotation marks in the ISFDB. The problem you see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1695 here]. Do quotation marks need to be standardized? Then » « changes to " " and the title »Es« must be corrected to "Es". Otherwise, if the book title must be entered exactly as indicated in the pub the title "Es" has to be adapted because all <br />
German editions use the » « quotes. [[User:Boskar|Boskar]] ([[User talk:Boskar|talk]]) 04:13, 18 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Hi! The [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:EditTitle help page] on entering titles gives the advice "Quotes can be entered either as single (') or double (") quotes. They are considered interchangeable typographical artifacts and no variant titles should be created for versions of the same story that use different types of quotes." So I guess in this case it should be the latter (") (I wouldn't want to use single quotes here). Hope that helps, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:20, 18 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Yes, this is very helpful! Thank you! I know this help page but searched for 'quotation' instead of 'quote', my fault! I will make sure that the »Es« title is adjusted to the rule. [[User:Boskar|Boskar]] ([[User talk:Boskar|talk]]) 05:42, 19 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Islanders ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?358496; https://archive.org/search?query=9780575078192; I was correcting 9 instances of the word "paperback" being misspelled in notes and this one has something else that may need looking at; archived copy's back cover has US sticker overlaying original UK info and since it's an export, as you noted, shouldn't it have US price entered? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:01, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Well, it ''is'' only a sticker, and the original UK price is visible with that archive.org copy. If I remember correctly, I obtained my copy in a German bookshop that used to have a BIG English language section. So 'export edition' seems to stand for export into (at least) quite a handful of countries, and the UK price seems thus to be the only reliable stated one. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:38, 26 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== New Worlds 2 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23794; I added Archive.org link in a PENDING edit and there are 291 numbered pages, not 293; the last 2 are a comics (?) ad and an address page. So it should probably be 291 or 291+[2] or something similar. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:43, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Plan 7 From ... ==<br />
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{{T|2159691|Plan 7 from L.A.}} has always and only been published as "Plan 7 from Sin City" - the confusion is that in the copyright indicia for Wind Through the Fence it's listed as "from L.A" but the T.O.C and the first page of the story both say, plainly "from Sin City". How to get rid of the "from L.A." title? [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] ([[User talk:Ofearna|talk]]) 17:07, 11 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Done! (I removed the double 'Plan 7 from L. A.' from "Strange Worlds", and then merged the two titles.). Hope that's all okay now. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:28, 12 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Discussion of German audio books ==<br />
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Could you please join [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Entries_disappeared this discussion of deleted German audio books]? Thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:03, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== New Taboos ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?411302; I think format should be TP, not PB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:34, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Right you are. Corrected. Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:37, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== My Life, My Body ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?536236; I think format should be TP, not PB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:38, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: And again: Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:40, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Rumo & His Miraculous Adventures ==<br />
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This [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?196610 title] has four unverified editions. In 2015, you modified the title's author from Walter Moers to Optimus Yarnspinner. I have a copy of the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?479743 second] edition and the cover and title page give the author as Walter Moers. I can change the author on my edition only, or on the title. Is there any reason to believe that Optimus Yarnspinner is listed as the author on the other three editions? .../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 22:48, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: The reason was that the original edition was issued as by Hildegunst von Mythenmetz (and Optimus Yarnspinner seems to be a pseudonym of this eminent historian, if you look at the respective photos), and that others like [https://portal.dnb.de/opac.htm?query=9780436206092&method=simpleSearch The City of Dreaming Books] were issued as by Yarnspinner in English (though Moers is stated as author on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?329432 the cover]). It finally depends on the title page: if the credit on it for Moers is only that it is a translation of a text by Yarnspinner the credit should be for the latter. If that is not the case, I can revert the credit. Please take a second look that we may be able to find the right credit. Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:58, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Title page: Walter Moers [over] Rumo [over] & His Miraculous Adventures [over] A novel in two books [over] illustrated by the author [over] translated by [over] John Brownjohn [way over] Vintage Books [over] London. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 17:33, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Thanks! I'll adapt the title and the other three publications that we have in the database. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:59, 16 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: Danke. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 13:48, 16 December 2023 (EST)</div>
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== Troubleshooting ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?593110 Here] exclusive for you.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:05, 14 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Many thanks for the hint, Wolfram! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:07, 14 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?366800 here]--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:11, 14 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Ah, that one looks okay. Maybe this is one entry that you can learn from. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:13, 14 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: Oh, that one looks not okay, not a good example to learn something, but a typical example for your excellent work, please find the typo.<br />
:::: But I don't want to take this to extremes, it's just a hint to first recognize your own mistakes before criticizing other users' mistakes. Good luck---[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 10:39, 15 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::: Well, I never stated to be perfect: in fact nobody is. Mistakes do happen, the aim should be to learn from them.<br />
::::: On typos: one shouldn't think that they will never happen again. They have a tendency to creep in. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:03, 15 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::::Still wrong, please look accurate.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:55, 1 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::::: Feel free to correct typos. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:10, 1 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Iluustrations in Perry Rhodan #547, 4th printing ==<br />
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Hi Christian, I have just received the info that apparently the fourth printing of PR #547 had a fan illustraion in addition to Bruck's work, references are [https://www.perrypedia.de/wiki/Benutzer_Diskussion:JL#unbekannte_Zeichner_von_Innenillustrationen here]. Illustration #1 on p. 27 would not be by Bruck, but the following two would the same two as in the first printing. As I don't own printing #4, perhaps you could check and make the resp. edits? Thanks, John [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] 06:51, 19 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks very much, John! I really did not take the signature into account: the illustration is IMHO very near to Bruck's style, and I thought it was a illustration by him that found no place with the initial publication, which I do think has happened before with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?559092 PR 308], p. 63. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:58, 19 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Peter Fischer Sternaux ==<br />
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Hello Christian, by adding two collections I create two entries for an artist:<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?318094 Peter Fischer Sternaux]<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?307185 Peter Fischer-Sterneaux]<br />
I'm not sure, but I think both are wrong or typos. The correct name should be '''Peter Fischer-Sternaux'''. I found only three hints: [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bb-Reihe wiki bb-Reihe], [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kompass-B%C3%BCcherei wiki Kompass-Bücherei] and [http://www.stiftung-plakat-ost.de/pers.htm East German poster artists]. Can you help me to add the hyphen to Peter Fischer Sternaux? Sterneaux will then be a variant of Sternaux. Thank you very much [[User:Henna|Henna]] 06:09, 30 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Sure! I added the hyphen. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:58, 30 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Atlan 216 -> 217? ==<br />
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Hi Christan, can you check {{p|804985|Atlan 216}}? It looks like the number needs to change to 217, otherwise there will be two pub records with 216. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 02:19, 29 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks! I'll take care of my error. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:31, 29 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan 18 (2.Aufl.) Note ==<br />
Hi Christian, now the note has been erased completly. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4831473] I'm wondering about. Are you prepearing a new note? Can you please check this again? --[[User:Norman|Norman]] 03:33, 16 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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: Hi, Norman. I just removed a now surplus note about the cover art being the same as with the novella's first edition (and the cover design, I guess) which can be seen now with your upload.<br />
: I agree that it'd be nice, though, to have ''some'' notes, but you seem to be more competent than me regarding statements made in the issue, having the issue at hand. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:40, 16 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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== {{P|789903|Exodus, #40}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I added the missing interior art, please take a look. Regards [[User:Henna|Henna]] 15:03, 16 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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:Oh, yes! Many thanks for that! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 22:42, 16 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Image:GRTMRCNSHR2002.jpg ==<br />
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I have restored [[:Image:GRTMRCNSHR2002.jpg]]. It is used in a publication and "non-genre publication" is not a valid deletion reason for a book cover. By rule, only non-genre magazine covers are prohibited. Non-genre book covers are allowed and we have plenty of them. This disconnect in the rules has been discussed a number of times with no resolution. It's been awhile since the last discussion so it may be worth starting another rules and standards discussion. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:38, 26 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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Okay, but this was what was told to me when I was a beginner here. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:05, 26 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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== {{P|789904|Exodus, #41}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I have changed a few things in this magazine. Please take a look and check the changes. I think now only the collage on page 54 is missing. Thanks [[User:Henna|Henna]] 16:36, 3 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:Looks considerably better now! Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:52, 3 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::No, I made some mistakes, now we have three duplicates. I will take care of it. What you think about p. 54? Sorry for the mess [[User:Henna|Henna]] 14:47, 4 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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==Changes by unknown==<br />
(moved to the end of my talk page) [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:07, 5 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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Hi Christian. I'm wondering about some changes which has be done by unknowe between my submitting and releasing by a moderator (which takes at the moment 1-3days). Example: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4848514]. I think a moderator is allthough confused about this circumstances. I've today cancelled myself some of my submitted tasks which should have runed into the void. As you know it's hard to wait with the procedure i has to work actually. It takes some days until a new magazine has been registrated in a propper way. But it is much more confusing if a third party doing some well-intentioned actions in the meantime. What is going on there? Is there perhaps a better way for me? I see you are working daily a you check my work, which is really perfect for me. Would it be perhaps a better way to do in the future some actions in a coordinated way together? [[User:Norman|Norman]] 04:06, 5 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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:Well, yes! Maybe I should wait for a time with actions: the reason this happens is that I tend to deal with things the moment I run across them. Working in some areas at the same time does lead into the danger to forget about things. But if you would like to work in an area for some time on your own, we surely can bundle our actions in a more coordinated way. So, what are your plans for the nearest future (for example the coming week?) Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:07, 5 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::Thank you for the explanation. At the moment, the long waiting time between the change request and its approval is my problem, especially if the facts have changed in between. In addition, there is a certain impatience on my part. Now I would like to complete volumes #51 to #60 in both the 2nd and 5th edition. Later also the issues 21 to 60 of the 3rd edition. The magazines are of course all in my possession. It would be of great and welcome help to me, for example, if you could briefly review my changes and perhaps if possible approve them once a day. Since you and me always have to carry out several steps into each other for a magazine and I don't want to lose the overview, I would concentrate 2-3 booklets a day. Would such a procedure be conceivable for you? [[User:Norman|Norman]] 03:19, 6 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::: Yes, I'll wait for your doings and perhaps review and add/change a few things later, if that's okay. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:33, 6 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::::It would be perfect! I'm always interested to learn how such few things which could be very special are handled here. But first i've to wait for the still pending edits. [[User:Norman|Norman]] 04:17, 6 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::::: It seems Dirk (P. Broer) handled all or a part of the necessary doings overnight. Please take a look which of them still need to be dealt with. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:54, 6 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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==PR 53 5.Auflage Essay==<br />
I've just submitted this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4852526]. I didn't found the essay at 3|3.1 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1639876 Das Perry Rhodan-Lexikon] in this magazine. I found 3 Letters instead. But i found the essay in volume #51 instead. But some minutes before i submitted for #51 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4852524 this]. Can you please check and do the fixing, or please tell me how to proceed? [[User:Norman|Norman]] 04:04, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:Perhaps the essay in #51 (by W. Voltz!) is not identical with the 'Werkstattbericht' by (Horst Hoffmann and Peter Terrid). I will check this! But anyway in #53 this has to be modified or deleted [[User:Norman|Norman]] 05:14, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
::Result of check: the Essay in #1154, #920(2nd) and #51(5th) are identical! And the authors are Horst Hoffmann and Peter Terrid. [[User:Norman|Norman]] 05:26, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::: Many thanks for the corrections! It seemed just logical to assume that the essay on the 'Lexikon' would also appear in this issue (#53). I updated the title per merging and also removed it from issue #53 (5. Auflage). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:19, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::::Never mind. I have to thank you for the help that accelerated this. Otherwise it would have taken days again. [[User:Norman|Norman]] 07:01, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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:::::It might even be faster to import titles that already exist in the database - for example illustrations. It's possible to select contents on importing, or to import specified titles (this is done by entering the title no. in the lower half of the import screen). Basically, if there's only one title to import, I use the latter option, and if there is more than one title to import from one other publication I use the first option: it just requires to remove titles from a publication if there are some imported that don't belong to it (for example in PR #52, 5. Aufl., there were only two of the original four interior pieces of art reproduced). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:10, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::::::Many thanks again. This is very interesting. I'll try this next. I didn't know this function before. :-) [[User:Norman|Norman]] 05:58, 10 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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==Raumschiff Promet and its publication dates==<br />
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Hi Christian, I'll be changing the publication date of your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?812248 #54]. The publication date of Astro Science Fiction #53 is stated as 14 November 1973 in #49. Cheers, John. [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] 15:28, 13 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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:Okay, many thanks for the info! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:03, 13 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== New Worlds 9 ==<br />
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Cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23789 this] is Mike Little. Credired on p.165 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?204909 this] publication. Almost certainly the same artists responsible for the cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23793 this] as well. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 08:21, 24 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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:Great find! Many thanks for the detective work, and have a merry Christmas! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:24, 24 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== John Taylor ==<br />
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We have been sorting out the various John Taylors and need a little help. Can you see [[User_talk:Username#John_Taylor|this discussion]] and let us know if {{P|4421|Beyond This Horizon}} provides any biographical information about the John Taylor that has a story (p116) and essay (p44) in it? We are trying to determine if they are the same person and whether they are from the UK physicist or the US author. [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/ISFAC/s313.htm#A4878 Contento] has both by the author. But the physicist supposedly did some science fiction plays and the essay title would align with a physicist. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:15, 28 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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: Sorry, there's no biographical information, but my best guess is that it's the British physicist: seems quite obvious for the essay, and the convention was something like a British showcase (with a bit of Continental Europe thrown in). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:53, 29 December 2020 (EST)<br />
::Thanks. I added title notes with that information. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:42, 29 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Driftglas in German ==<br />
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{{p|371550|Driftglass}} cover by Barclaw Shaw [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 02:57, 7 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks! (but the variant / parent is still missing). Christian<br />
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== Philip K Dick ==<br />
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Added missing series to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55525 this] as <br />
"Writers of the 21st Century Series" (as printed on front) to conform with the rest of the volumes. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 02:00, 16 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:Thanks! I missed out on that one upon verifying. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:55, 16 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Question ==<br />
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Hello, Rtrace.<br />
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I inserted the translation to the Portuguese (#819033) but in the summary of the author (#111330) appear like a new novel, not a translation. How to fix it?<br />
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How is the right way to put translations? Its a New Novel or Add Publication to This Title or Variant?<br />
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--[[User:Paulotecario|Paulotecario]] 09:48, 22 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Hello, and welcome! You seem to have misdirected your question (since I'm not Rtrace). <br />
:But to answer: The right way to add translations usually is to enter a publication of the translation (correct title per title page of the publication, author name per title page of the publication, fitting language, translator, and other useful data), and than (after processing), variant to the canonical title. (The exception is if a translation under the exact same title already exists, than one can use the Add Publication or Clone Publication links). <br />
:For that reason the novel by N. K. Jemisin appears to be unconnected to its parent: it still needs to be varianted (the feature to use is the 'Make This Title a Variant' link). Since the entry does need some fixing (capitalization of title, price denomination, additional notes), I'll do the fixing and varianting for you. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:08, 22 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The format ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Careful with formats outside of Germany: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?819037 this] is [https://www.amazon.com.br/dp/8580579430 Dimensões : 23 x 15.6 x 1.8 cm] and a 23 cm book cannot be a pb under ANY definition. :) I fixed it. Also - when you find issues as severe as the ones with this book, please try to leave notes around - in this case both the editor who added and the moderator should have been reminded of what is wrong here. Fixing it is all great but unless someone tells the editor and the moderator, we will end up with more of those (I just caught 5 more of them and cleaned them up on approval). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:02, 22 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry about the format: that one slipped through my radar surveillance. I had seen that you reminded the moderator about issues, and the editor was informed in the item just above this one (bare that false format I didn't pay attention to). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:44, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Well, a day later when they came asking :) It makes it easier to do it when the change is done - that way we do not miss these. :) I think we are all good now. Hope you are doing well! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:08, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Yes, I cope (as you'll likely also do): waiting for things to normalize the news came in that vaccination over here in Europe for the majority of people will take longer than expected, due to organizational & production complications, but otherwise health is still good in the family: no one got seriously ill so far. So it will take some more time of clenching one's teeth and staying calm. Hope you're doing as good as circumstances allow (or better). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:18, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: That's good to hear. :) Pretty much -- living in one of the biggest counties in this country (biggest in the state) and not being old enough means that I am stuck home for the foreseeable future - they will take awhile to get to me for the vaccines. It all shall pass - hopefully... Oh well - stay safe - people tend to get even more careless than usual if they believe the end is close and that can cause problems even for the ones who are careful :( At least I can work from home... :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:28, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
::::: I hope you stay healthy in all the time waiting: that's the important thing, I'd think! Over here the old-aged are the first in line when it comes to the cure, then the system-sustaining persons, and pretty much later we normalized ones are thought of. Thought it would be sometime in Spring when it comes to our group, but it seems it will get hotter than that ... - just hoping the barbers will open before that, else there'll be much sweating (and much blindsight). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:03, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Galery of Lem's star diaries illustrations ==<br />
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Hello Christian, [https://solaris.lem.pl/galeria/rysunki-lema here] you can see the most illustration from the Star Diaries. Regards [[User:Henna|Henna]] 06:12, 31 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:Thanks! That does indeed help! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:18, 31 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Overcorrecting again ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Please stop "correcting" things without even looking at the covers and title pages. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?61987 This series] is not called "Mack 'n' Me" but "Mack 'n' Me 'n' Odyssey". Because of that we cannot strip "Mack 'n' Me" from the titles unless you want to do an internal set of series but the numbering may go wrong in the future so leaving them as they are is the cleanest way. I just spent some time fixing these again. I will appreciate if in the future instead of just going and removing anything that has ":" in the title, you either do some research OR ask the editor who actually worked on these (or both) and if I do not need to spend time correcting corrections. Thanks in advance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:47, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
: PS: And the fact that you again changed someone's work without bothering to consult and/or at least notify the person is as unacceptable as it always had been. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:49, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: Just a reminder that ''all'' record types -- pubs, titles, series, publication series, authors, awards, etc -- support Edit History as of 2021-01-14. When planning changes to a record, you can now review record history to see who else has worked on it.<br />
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:: Due to the way submissions work, sometimes you need to check other submission types to see full history. In this case, the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/series_history.cgi?61987 Edit History page] associated with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?61987 this series] doesn't tell you who created it. However, you can use Edit History pages associated with the titles in the series -- like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title_history.cgi?2822131 this page] -- to see who added the series information.<br />
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:: Hopefully, this will become one of our standard operating procedures as editors become used to this functionality and help lower everybody's stress level :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:59, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: Sorry, but I took the longe name as some kind of pub. series (yes, then it should have been put into that field - it didn't feel quite correct also). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:05, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: Then come and discuss before changing. My edits are all over this series and all its books, I've spent enough time with it to have an idea what is what (plus this is a known pattern with some series lately...). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:25, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== {{T|1650396|Etemenanki oder Die Fundamente von Himmel und Erde}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, is this the same text like in {{T|2682309|Etemenanki}}? Here is the first paragraph [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/5/51/Simon_etemenanki.jpg of Etemenanki]. Thanks for looking it up [[User:Henna|Henna]] 15:21, 3 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Sure! I'll variant the title(s). Thanks, I just overlooked this. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:08, 4 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Secondhand Charm ==<br />
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What was with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4895041 this change]? Did you even look at the publication before making this change? I don't understand why you would change the credit on the verified pub without asking the verifier, but had you looked at the pub notes, it would have been clear that there are two separate artists involved. I restored the proper credit. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:38, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry for that! ... and I even don't know what it was that has driven me to that. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:48, 7 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Image:PRRRHDNMZT1985.jpg ==<br />
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[[:Image:PRRRHDNMZT1985.jpg]] was deleted by you, but it is still used in {{P|814576|this pub}}. Please check whether you forget to remove the image link or if it was used in multiple pubs and it is correct/incorrect for this one. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:36, 13 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Alan PETER Ryan ==<br />
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Alan Ryan started using his full name, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?144345], when he returned to writing in 2010. "Sexual Exploration Is a Crime" was published under his full name in 2019's Shivers VIII just like it was in Ryan's 2012 collection The Back of Beyond. It was never published as by Alan Ryan. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:35, 14 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:I'm inclined to believe you. However, the thing is that the title appears with the short name in a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?727940 primary verified publication]. So you have to ask the primary verifier first if this is an overlooked mistake, before we could accept this change. Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:17, 15 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Follow-up from the Moderator Noticeboard discussion ==<br />
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To follow up on the [[ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Abusive_Regularization|last Moderator Noticeboard discussion]]:<br />
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* As per the 2020 agreement, please limit your moderatorial activities to self-moderation until I change the software to support an explicit "self-moderation only" flag for editors<br />
* Please do not change the data in recently added/edited records without discussing it with the moderator who approved the submission. Doing so effectively circumvents the agreement and leaves both the approving moderator and the submitting user out of the loop.<br />
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These issues have been occurring for a long time now. Please make sure that they do not re-occur or else I will have to take administrative action. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 14:58, 6 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== La trama celeste ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Can you share your sources for your statements of "First printing" and "Apparent first Edition" which you added [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?580480 here] today? None of the linked sources (OCLC and LTF) claim any of that (the Trantor is a later reprint and was used to verify the contents), your edit had no moderator notes and no notes identifying where these statements are coming from. Did you miss to add your sources?<br />
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On a separate note (less important but still valid) - reordering the statements in a publication notes field to fit your idea of what goes where in the notes (you moved the sources statement from the top to the bottom) is disrespectful to other editors - we all have our own styles of writing notes and we do not enforce style in this field. If you want ISFDB to start enforcing style, please go to R&S and find support. In the meantime, please respect your fellow editors (unless you are verifying of course - if you are PVing and there are no other PVs, you can change the note anyway you want). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:06, 6 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry, but the missing information is vital for out db and follows for the edition from Wikpedia. <br />
:The printing is necessary to add for a db that goes to index different ones. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:39, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Can you please point to a source that identifies this as a definitive first printing? Because what you are describing is an assumed first printing - unless it is confirmed somewhere, there is a possibility for an earlier printing run in the same year that is different. Statements of printing which lack the qualification “assumed” should have a source. Your opinion that this must be a first printing is just your opinion and not a fact unless it is supported by a source (primary or secondary). Otherwise we become the source of that specific information - and being a source of unverified information is not what this DB is supposed to be. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:51, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:::I think it's quite clear that it's a first edition, but for the faint possibilty that there was a previous edition within the same year, I'll update the note.<br />
:::On the printing rank: unless you know that there's more than one printing of this edition within the same year it ''should'' be noted that our entry is for the first one. And if there are more printings in 1948 we should clarify it for the sake of an editor supplying a higher one. It's quite unlike you to make things more difficult for additional publications and to be content with stub notes. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:31, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:::: Re:<br />
::::* unless you know that there's more than one printing of this edition within the same year it ''should'' be noted that our entry is for the first one<br />
:::: it's the other way around. Like other statements that we make in Notes, we add an unqualified "First printing" statement if -- and '''only if''' -- we have a source indicating that the publication is the first printing of the given edition. That source can be either the publication itself or a secondary source. Without a source, we can, at most, enter "Assumed first printing" or words to that effect. This is explained in the "Printings" section of [[Template:PublicationFields:PubNote]], e.g.:<br />
::::* If there is no printing information beyond the edition date, and no specific "first printing" statement, it is likely that this is a first printing, and you can put "Appears to be first printing of 1974 Puffin edition." <br />
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:::: Checking the database, I see that you have created 9263 EditPub submissions with the words "First printing" in Notes. We will now have to review and, if necessary, correct all of them. I will be creating a cleanup script which will identify all affected publication records, both PV'd and unverified. The number of affected publications will be lower than 9263, but the cleanup process will still be very time consuming.<br />
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:::: This is a major issue. Given this problem with understanding core data entry rules and the previously discussed repeated issues with adhering to the terms of the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Stonecreek#Follow-up_from_the_Moderator_Noticeboard_discussion self-moderation agreement], I am suspending your moderator flag until this issue has been sorted out and software support for "self-moderation only" editors has been added. We will review and discuss where we stand once these issues have been addressed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:31, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::::: Sorry to disagree: when we know an entry for any possible printing (including the first) of a given edition would look the same as the one we have in the database, it ''is'' meaningful to denominate 'ours' as the first: this way we have the first printing in the db, and any further printing of that year will be listed after it, we have it clear that a possible further printing of that year will have to be added, '''and''' we have the general information visible that we go as deep as the level of printing in ISFDB. And if you refer to the possibility that the cover image might differ for a different printing: well, without a primary verifier or a dependable source for it, we don't even know if the image we display does represent the edition (or the specific printing). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:46, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::: This specific book is sourced from OCLC and LTF. You do not invent data that is not on the record unless you can explain it. Stating First Printing with no qualifiers means that we are stating that this specific book in these sources is the first printing definitely (if we know that but we cannot verify that the sources point to our book, the IDs should not be added to it (or if added, the note should explain that they do not state first printing) and the note on the sources should explain that they are possibly for a different version of the book ). There is nothing in any source to support such unqualified claim. So “Assumed First Printing” is the best that can be used. Anything else is a fabrication and essentially creating information that then can be used by someone else and considered definitive. If we fabricate information, we cannot be trusted as a dB. If you cannot understand that, I am not sure how exactly to explain it better. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:19, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:::::::: Those sources only would possibly index a first printing if it's stated in a publication (though not necessarily so). We do have a different policy: we state a publication as ''apparent first printing''. So it'd be okay to state a first printing until we know if it's an apparent or a stated one (most likely supplied by a PV). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:34, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::::: Can you please point to me where this policy is specified? Because Ahasuerus already posted above our rules and they contradict it. And any other rule I had seen had been clear: each fact added should have a source - the book preferably, a secondary source if not possible. We do not invent data. If we have a documentation mismatch that actually allows us to invent data we should fix it so we do not confuse our editors. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:56, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::::::: I'm pretty sure you propagated it in one of the many arguments with Wolfram, I just haven't found it by now. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:24, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::::::: I had said that it is ok to add "First Printing" with no qualifications and no support of any source (other books or online sources) or the book? Very unlikely but sure, find it, I will be interested to see that and we can see what exactly was said there and in what context. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:21, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:::::::::::: If my memory is correct, you stated that it'd be okay to state 'Apparent first printing.' (and we'd accordingly have to wait what is there in a yet unverified publication). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:34, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::::::::: You realize the difference between “Apparent/Assumed First Printing” and a non qualified “First Printing”, right? Had you used the first here, we do not have a problem. You used the latter and then went on explaining how that is ok. A person browsing the site and seeing the statement with no qualifiers won’t think “oh, this says First printing but does not say stated so this may not be one”, they will think “first printing means first printing”. That is the crux of the problem here. Reread again everything I said so far and the excerpt from the rules above - adding a statement is not the issue, adding an unqualified one is. And then when you updated the note you changed the edition line leaving the unqualified printing one in place. (I cleaned it up when I fixed the sources issue). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:04, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::::::::::: Well, okay! I see the benefit of stating the more cautious version for people not aware of the difference between PVed and non-PVed pub.s (or PVed but not thoroughly reviewed). I guess that's a case of deep-in-blindness. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:15, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::::::::::: Most people won't realize what the PV table means when the find the page online (we had had enough new editors that did not and they were here to edit). And implying that it is ok to just add whatever to non-PVd publications is a bit offensive to all the editors who had done a lot of work through the years piecing things together from secondary sources and being very careful to chase any sources (with different levels of sloppiness sometimes but we are all human) - I am aware that this is not you meant but I hope you understand what I am saying here. That's why listing sources and qualifications are important (and listing what from the sources does not match our record and why when we have sources disagreeing) - if we made a mistake because a source was mistaken, it is not so good but we had a source and we did not create a piece of information that is untrue; if we just added a statement which was mistaken/misleading, we become the source now - and before long all other sites will use our data even from unPVd pubs and uprooting these errors later is hard (just look at the Larry Correia birthday problem - we did not originate it but someone did). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:53, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Authors difference in publications and titles ==<br />
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I have two of your submissions on hold because they run contrary to the basic rules of data entry on the site ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4931312 this one] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4931313 this one]) - we do NOT change the title authors in such cases, we leave the title author as uncredited and then variant to a parent with the known authors. Our rules are very clear about that - the exact text from the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:TitleFields:Author help page is]:<br />
"If there is a publicly available source which identifies the uncredited title's author, it will be later turned into a variant title using the author's canonical name." (please note that this is part of the TITLE author field and there is no exception for EDITOR records).<br />
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However, before I rejected them outright, I checked the German magazines (which had been your domain for years) and this had been going for a very long time so I went digging to see if there is a reason for that. Unless I missed it, there had not been an attempt to change the rules to make an exception for the German language magazines (I already spent my Sunday chasing this so I stopped somewhere ~2013). The only time this was even remotely mentioned is [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard/Archive_18#Publication_Authors_That_Are_Not_the_Title_Author this Cleanup report] which had been implemented in the usual way (leave the big sets for the end so a plan can be made for them; it is regrettable that the report was never completely implemented but that does not constitute a change of rules - these records are still against the rules). <br />
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Is there a policy in some obscure place that I missed (and that needs to be added to the rules) or do we need to mount yet another cleanup effort to bring all of these records to policy? Thanks in advance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:17, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Well, that's the way they were entered at the beginning of entering the series (and it wasn't me who began that), and I just followed the example that was already there. I don't see any major problem with the way it is for those, since 'uncredited' poses no pseudonym. But we could also work through the lot, if you're there to do a lot of unmerging, merging and/or varianting. And if you prefer it: sure, we can install a cleanup report for it. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:31, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: I read this several times now. Are you really accusing me of starting these author mismatches? You know perfectly well that when I began with the Perry Rhodan series, I used a secondary source (Perrypedia) and tried to be as complete as possible. Any use of uncredited and starting the discrepancy between publication and title author is yours! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:03, 11 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: We already have a cleanup report for author mismatches, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?33 ''Publication Authors That Are Not the Title Author'']. When it was [[ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard/Archive_18#Publication_Authors_That_Are_Not_the_Title_Author|modified in 2015 to add EDITOR/MAGAZINE and EDITOR/FANZINE mismatches]], I mentioned that it was coded to "ignore[] German magazines because we have about 1,400 Perry Rhodan mismatches on file. Once the other 126 mismatches have been resolved, we can revisit the PR issue."<br />
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:: Unfortunately, the issue was never revisited, so now we have 5,375 mismatches, including 1,500 non-Perry Rhodan mismatches. Some are PR-related, including 434 Atlans, while others are not. Better late than never... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 09:14, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::: It won’t be that hard I suspect - two step process (create parent with the authors that are there now and then clean the authors of the current record (and fix both dates while at it) will clear a whole year of uncredited issues. The only unmerges needed will be when there are pubs credited differently. <br />
:::: Yes, mostly, but there are a few elaborate title notes that shouldn't be lost (or should be transposed). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:26, 8 March 2021 (EST) <br />
::::: So a third edit. :) Still Not so bad. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:29, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::: As for why we must finish the cleanup - we are a DB. Differences in data structures is a problem when one writes queries to find something - inconsistencies like that should have a very good reason. Being German and uncredited is not one of those unless we change the rules officially. :)<br />
::: Can I request an update of the report or should I do it over in CS? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:21, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: And is there a report for the case above: i. e. the 'First printing' affair? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:30, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::: Not yet - unlike the one here, that one is not preexisting... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:40, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
(unindent) OK - I approved both merges so their pubs are brought into where they belong and then fixed both of these title records to follow the way we handle uncredited publications with known authors from elsewhere. Just a gentle reminder - when you are making the yearly series, the date of it should be the year itself (so 1991-00-00) and not the date of the first issue. <br />
: PS: As you are the PV on a lot of them, we know who to ask but it will be extremely useful to add some notes on the series level ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?43528 here] and all the others) where the editors names are coming from. Or on the individual years although adding them up on the series level may be cleaner and clearer. Or even on the parent [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?28689 series]. Thanks in advance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:40, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Dmitry Glukhovsky's "Text" ==<br />
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A quick FYI re: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2652577 this title]. Back in 2019 you [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4484074 added the following note]: "Described as a crime / techno-thriller; it may be nongenre." As per the plot summary on Wikipedia, this is a non-genre thriller. I have updated the German VT and the Russian parent title. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 09:28, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
: I can confirm it is non-genre. If I can remember where my book is (because I do not see it where it is supposed to be), I will verify a Russian version and clean the note after that. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:56, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::Thanks, Ahasuerus! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:58, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== GOMINE — Walzenraumer der Hijthi (scheme) ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Did you mean to make [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2841677 this] a short story or did you forget to switch to Interior art? :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:32, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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: It's an artwork, which I just realized upon submitting. I'll correct it with adding the cover image. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 22:53, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:11, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== These variants ==<br />
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I rejected a few - there is no point changing the author in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4932961 such cases]. 30 of the 33 magazines need to stay under the title as is. 3 need to be split and varianted... Changing the author here will result in a lot more work. I think I approved a few earlier so I will clean the created mess based on that... but please look at the list of magazines before changing the authors. Thanks! 00:10, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Those issues have to be reviewed (and the credit chenged) anyway. But my idea was to first complete the (1. Auflage), and then come back to it. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:19, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: But in the process you are moving issues from "Pub and title matches" to "they do not match" so when the report gets deployed, someone will try to fix them again and we will do the same work multiple times. If you are going to be reviewing the publications anyway, let's start with them. Fix the magazines themselves inside of a year, then fix the titles correctly. Otherwise we will be chasing these until next Christmas :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:34, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: Uhmmm, yes, your're probably right. I just have to dig these copies out of their vault. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]]<br />
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== Wstęp (Dzienniki gwiazdowe) ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935029 this one]. Either we claim we do not know who to credit to (so unknown) (because we really have no idea it is Lem's or not) or it is Lem's... We cannot have it both ways (and even if it was rare, other people did write introductions for his books in Polish:) ) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:43, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:What is unknown, I think, is if it's credited to Lem or his alter ego Professor Tarantoga. Usually the introduction should be the same as the first one [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?820586 here], since there the eighth and the eighteenth journey (and the ominous circumstances of their coming-to-be & inclusion) are talked about; it should also be in-universe fiction. The only somewhat irregular thing is the discussion of a 'LEM' as author of the 'Star Diaries' since the Lunar Excursion Mobile would have a far too small electronic brain for such a task - it seems somewhat pre-timed for 1966, but the 1971 should be at least a variant of the 1966 piece. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:51, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: And your source for this please? Unless you have something better than guesses here, this stays unconnected. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 08:04, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: According to [https://fantlab.ru/work3309 Fantlab], there were 4 introductions to the "Ijon Tichy" collections published between 1954 and 1976. All of them were in-universe essays as by "Professor Tarantoga" (one of the characters in the series), but the text differed from edition to edition. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:41, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: Beat me to it - I was planning to go digging on Russian and Polish sites today to see if I can find something. :) Feel free to makre the changes and add sources on the pub level and cleanup the notes. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:51, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::: Thank you for the research. Will do the updates. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:12, 13 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Uralt, mein Feind ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4934516 this one]: Rudam PVd it 4 years before you did. Are you absolutely sure that his book does not have the first edition stated? When he [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3337533 added it], his note read "noted stated"? I propose to wait for him to verify before we remove the stated qualifier... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:11, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Yes, I'm sure: checked it two times! Rudolf has quite often the "noted stated" misprinting (when it should read "not stated"). It's ''very'' unusual for this publisher to not state a first German edition (and at first I fell for this trap), but it's in fact what is there. As a hint see the difference between the DNB and/or OCLC entries for this one and the one for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?676175 Vazkor] for example (fifth line of the DNB entry). I guess the (missing) information was copied from another publication in the sub-series 'Science Fiction Classics', in which ''usually'' real classics are published (and ones that were published before in German). For the Dickson the collection's original English publication was just five years before and the single stories weren't in every case so much older. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:32, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: You checked Rudam’s book two times? I have no concerns with your book at all (although why a day earlier you thought it says that is a bit of a mystery but mistakes happen) - my concern is not what the book you are holding says. My concern is the other PV’s copy. Would you have accepted this edit if it was not your book and you were moderating and a second editor was changing major data points in the notes (which they confirmed matching the previous day) or would you have tried to ensure first that they are holding the same edition and we do not need a clone instead? Apparently Ron read the initial status of this note as saying that the value is stated as well (that’s why he approved your changes the previous day). You are probably right that you have the same book but I’d still try to discuss that with the other PV first. :) If he is not around for awhile, then we can change that with a note explaining what the other PV had stated before (“The first PV had marked the edition as “noted stated”. It is assumed, based on the usual practices of the German publishers, that this is a misprint for “not stated” and there is only one version of this book” for example or words to that effect). That way it is clear what happened here and in case we read the weirdly phrased statement wrong, we have the paper trail for the change. What do you think? <br />
:: There are 9 books with this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/note_search_results.cgi?OPERATOR=contains&NOTE_VALUE=Noted+stated+ note]. I will ping him to clarify what he meant and we can easily sort them out. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 08:50, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Well, no, of course I didn't check Rudolf's book, just checked my copy, but mine does seem to be printed the same way as the ones catalogued at DNB and OCLC. Sure we can add the note accordingly. The examples are mostly for Goldmann & Bastei Lübbe publications in the mid-Seventies, and in these times both publishers didn't state first German editions. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:13, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: And this should also go in the note, as it is a justification of why you read the statement the way you do. :) So let’s do that in order - leave a message to him, if he does not respond in a few days (he seems to be away just now), send another update with the note properly added. Thoughts? Meanwhile I will work with him to sort out the 9 publications with this note. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:25, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Spektrum der Wissenschaft, #3.21 cover ==<br />
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Where is the title and date coming from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937197 here]? I do not see a note anywhere in the publication, cover record and there are no moderator notes? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:43, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:It's from the original appearance of the piece as interior art. Will add the according note to the parent title (and correct the title type). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:05, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Approved. Add this in the moderator note next time. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:20, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Reinhold Kammler ==<br />
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Could you please clarify what the proposed note -- "Was 1981 at home in Vienna, Austria" -- in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937820 this submission] means? Does it mean that he lived in Vienna, Austria as of 1981? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:06, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Yes. Would it be better to phrase it as "Was 1981 living in Vienna, Austria"? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:08, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks for clarifying! I have changed it to "Known to have lived in Vienna, Austria as of 1981." [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:20, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan, #147: Amoklauf der Maschinen ==<br />
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When you have a chance: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?654734 this one] remained the only mismatched one in one of the years you cleared. I am not sure if it needs an update or to be split out so leaving that to you. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:28, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Will do the update. Thanks for the hint! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:06, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Wünsch dir was! ==<br />
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Hello again :)<br />
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Can you look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2837007 this] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2363651 this]? If they are the same, they need a merge. If not, we need to disambiguate or at least add notes. As you have both magazines, you are in the best place to figure out what we need to do :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:49, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Ah, yes! The 2018 one was published quite a while back, so that I didn't realize that the title was used again (they might be developed into a series: I'll see if there are future instalments. For now, I'll disambiguate the two: thanks for finding them! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:06, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:09, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Agency ==<br />
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Added the second ASIN in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?800153 this one] and cleaned the note (the note was there because the ASIN was not working on amazon.de (misspelled a bit in the note...) and the ISBN was not leading anywhere on the German Amazon when I added it). When there are different ASINs across the Amazons for the same edition, we list all the ones we source from and add a note which belongs to which Amazon. Thankfully it does not happen too often outside of certain US/UK paired publishers (but when it happens, it can be annoying). So just heads up! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]]<br />
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:Thanks, Annie! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:10, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Zweitausendvierundachtzig: Orwells Albtraum ==<br />
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Hello again, <br />
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Both OCLC and DNB show [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?828410 this one] as part of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?2152 AndroSF]. Not sure if you left it out intentionally or not but just heads up. If it was intentional, is there something that makes it different from the rest of the series (I add books from this series occasionally so if there are some specifics, I'd love to know them). :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:06, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:I'll upload the image, add more contents and the series: I forgot to add the series, but I usually review my recent edits to find typos, mistakes and omissions like this one; but thanks for keeping an open eye: there may still some faults slipping through. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:43, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: I would have just put on my monitor list to see if there will be an update later but as it was a series I work on now and then, I wanted to make sure it was not intentional and I do not need to look out for something in the books that have the series. :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:06, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan, #799: Abschied von Terra ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?380654 This one] needs either to be split out or have its editors fixed. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:03, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Okay, thanks for finding this one. Submission under way. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:04, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Old sites on author pages ==<br />
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Instead of removing them completely, see if archive.org will give you a snapshot we can use. Like I just did [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?265255 here]. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:55, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:05, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Franziska Wolff ==<br />
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When you have a chance, add a note either [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?323974 here] or in the parent where the pseudonym is disclosed. I take you at your word that it is in a book so I approved but let's add the note. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:59, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Sources needed ==<br />
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Can you share a source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4942497 this change] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4942402 this change]. Unless we have a source telling us that an English author does not get shelved under their last name, we always assume it is the last name only. Spanish and Portuguese are different but English is very straightforward in this. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:22, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:You're right, of course. For a reason unknown I thought that the rules were different for 'classic' authors. I'll cancel and resubmit. Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:44, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: We use this name for the Author Directory and for sorting in searches if you chose to order by that. So having the value as someone expects it (which for English speakers will be last name) is what makes sense. So for Romilly, a quick search finds [https://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/romilly-hugh-hastings-4502 this] and if a Dictionary of Biography has him under Romilly, that's where we want him :) Galactic Central has Estay under E ([http://www.philsp.com/homeville/gfi/s349.htm#A9915 here] but as you know the link is not stable so we cannot link it directly) - which is not as definitive as a dictionary but I would follow their lead unless I have another source somewhere. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:53, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Atlan, #200: Herrscher im Mikrokosmos ==<br />
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"Juli 1982" and 1982-06-15 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?829057 here] :) I suspect a copy/paste mistake from the previous entry in the note but as these are hard to spot, heads up so you can sort it out when you add the cover. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:58, 23 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Will do. Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:00, 24 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Gate of Ivrel ==<br />
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{{P|514656|Gate of Ivrel}} has the same cover art as {{P|279676|Orbit UK PB}} edition [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 19:50, 25 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Oh, yes! Many thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:05, 26 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Possible Typos ==<br />
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Here are some possible database typos:<br />
* millenial - {{T|127268|Millenial Eve(s) (drama review)}} in {{P|59018|Interzone, #132 June 1998}}<br />
* phenomenom - {{T|1612366|English-Language SF as a Socio-Cultural Phenomenom}} in {{P|211705|Science Fiction Studies, Second Series}}<br />
* relevations - {{T|1166830|Deep Space, Deeper Relevations}} in {{P|59009|Interzone, #157 July 2000}}<br />
If you could please check and correct or add title notes, it would be appreciated. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:10, 28 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Will do my best, though the SF-Studies book will need some searching. Thanks for the hints, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:20, 28 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Drachengestirn ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Can you find [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?500470 this book] and come join us [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Thomas_F._Monteleone.27s_Dragonstar here] while we are trying what to do with these books. :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:09, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks, I have answered there. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:56, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: You have an answer - sounds like you need to move this translation? :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:17, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Self-approver testing ==<br />
<br />
As I said on [[ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Bottleneck_at_moderation_level]], last week I changed the software to support "self-approval" -- see [[ISFDB:Community_Portal#Self-approval_support]]. It was a fairly significant change and you are now the first editor to test it on the live server. Self-approvers should be able to approve and reject their own submissions. Please give it a try and let me know if you run into any issues.<br />
<br />
Also, please be extra careful when editing records which other editors have worked on. Communication is key :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:25, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Thank you very much, I'll test it. And from now on I'll be very cautios with other people's work. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:33, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== German translations of Irma Chilton ==<br />
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Hi Christian,<br />
I need help with some complex editing of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?223006 Irma Chilton].<br />
Right now the situation is as follows:<br />
* She has written two short novellas: "Take Away the Flowers" and "Fuller's World".<br />
* These have been published as a collection with the name "Take Away the Flower & Fuller's World".<br />
* There are three German language publications by her:<br />
** "Weltraumpilot Tom Davies in Aktion" (Boje)<br />
** "1. Auftrag im All" (Pelikan Tramp-Buch), indicated as a licensed publication from Boje<br />
** "Schmuggel im All" (Pelikan Tramp-Buch), indicated as a licensed publication from Boje<br />
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Right now "Weltraumpilot Tom Davies in Aktion" is claimed to be the translation of "Take Away the Flowers". It is right now unknown (in the database), which are the sources of the two Tramp books.<br />
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I do not own either of the books, but from what I have read in several forums (e.g. [https://forum.sf-fan.de/viewtopic.php?p=196266#p196266 at SF-Fan]) I am 100% sure that:<br />
* "Weltraumpilot Tom Davies in Aktion" is a translation of the entire collection "Take Away the Flower & Fuller's World".<br />
* "1. Auftrag im All" is "Take Away the Flowers".<br />
* "Schmuggel im All" is "Fuller's World".<br />
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In my opinion this would be the only explanation that makes sense, and it is in line with what I have seen in other publications in the Tramp series. The Tramp books are sub-licenses of Boje that is mentioned in the books. In that case all translations would be by Siegfried Schmitz (which is not mentioned there).<br />
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Also, I think that the cover artwork of "Schmuggel im All" could be by Edward Blair Wilkins but that should be checked separately.<br />
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Even if you think that these changes are too much of a risk as they are speculations without checking the original publications I wanted to document my findings here so that others do not need to start from the beginning.<br />
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Thanks! [[User:Naut|Naut]] 02:54, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:I think you're right in your assumptions, since both Tramp books are stated as licensed by Boje. Thanks for the informational update, I'll converge the titles accordingly. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:28, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Good solution that you have found. Thanks! [[User:Naut|Naut]] 05:08, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:37, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Eschbach, Abschied von der Erde ==<br />
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Hello Christian, can you help me to add this [http://www.andreaseschbach.de/files/abschied-von-der-erde.html story]? Thanks [[User:Henna|Henna]] 11:56, 12 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Sure. Would you like to try it? Here's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?765405 an analogous example] (of course - or likely - we don't know much about the pages or the price). Only be sure to mark it as nongenre. I'll take a second look after the edit, if it's okay. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:56, 12 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Hello Christian, thank you for the example. Here is the result: {{P|836910|Die Welt, Samstag, 20. April 2019}}. I hope everything is correct, please take a look. Thanks again [[User:Henna|Henna]] 09:58, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Looks good! Maybe a note on the source of the shortfiction (author's web page) would be fine. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:20, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::Now with the link. Thanks again [[User:Henna|Henna]] 13:18, 16 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== {{P|833362|Nova, #30}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, in this pub is a gap from p.101 to p.160. Should I add the contents? Regards [[User:Henna|Henna]] 14:19, 26 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:If you'd like to do it you're welcome. It got somehow lost in my to-do list: wanted to read & enjoy the contents in full before entering them. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:02, 27 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Hello Christian, everything is done (I hope). Please take a look [[User:Henna|Henna]] 15:28, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Great work! Thank you very much! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:10, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Aligning notes'' ==<br />
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Hello Christian! What is the meaning of the phrase ''aligning notes'' as a justification, when you make changes in the notes where we are both PV? Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 06:46, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:It means to have the notes as in other publications of a given series. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:50, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Whereby your wording and your order of the individual notes are predetermined? Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 07:25, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Not necessarily, but with 'Titan' it seemed somehow useful for the avid reader to have one orientation. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:33, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: One other thing that seems more important is the role of Wolfgang Jeschke: he is credited as co-editor but doesn't appear with the parent title (and is obviously not a pseudonym used by Aldiss): would 'Wolfgang Jeschke (in error)' possibly be more appropriate? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:41, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::Do I understand that correctly, that the decision of what may be necessary and what is useful for an avid reader is made by you? Other PV should follow accordingly even if they are the first making a different entry in the notes? [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 10:55, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Well, the more there is in the notes the more there is that a user might find useful. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:14, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::Well, but sometimes less is even more.But you still haven't answered my question. So I can assume that you keep changing some notes of mine that have the similar content as yours and feel the urge to change the sequence of my notes, even though I am the first PV. Also, I didn't catch that the notes of a given series have to be structurally identical. Could you please guide me to the corresponding rule. I appreciate your effort. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 09:48, 8 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: If you feel the way that unstructured notes for publications where you are the first PV should prevail we can leave it at that. Sorry that you might feel I have stepped on your toes. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:40, 8 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::Nice that you've got it. BTW, in case you haven't noticed, in practically all ISFDB pubs, the notes aren't structured. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 08:47, 9 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::::::: Yeah, but the majority of them generally have only stub notes; that shouldn't be a reason to not work on them. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:12, 9 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::''Wolfgang Jeschke'' isn't the editor of the original anthologies, but he is of course the editor of the entire ''Titan-series''. We can't leave him out. [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 10:55, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::: It's only that he didn't do editorial work other than for other translated works (anthologies among them), where he ain't credited. The contents for 'Titan' were selected by other editors, and Jeschke only organized the translations and the cover artworks; there seems to be no original content work he did. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:12, 9 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: From that point of view you are right, but his name is associated with all 21 TITAN issues and is emphasized on the cover, spine and title page. It reminds me a bit of the alleged part, Isaac Asimov played as editor for the Greenberg/Waugh anthologies. His name was prominently featured on the cover. I would therefore recommend, just as with Asimov, that his name be kept. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 12:11, 9 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: Okay, I'm fine with that point of view. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:24, 9 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Makroleben ==<br />
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Cover art of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?364664 this] is Angus McKie. Same cover art as on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?87404 this] book. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:25, 11 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Many thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:36, 11 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Rediscovery: Science Fiction by Women (1958-1963)'' ==<br />
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Checking the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?731973 edit history] of the paperback edition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?731973 ''Science Fiction by Women (1958-1963)''], I see that the title was originally entered by [[User:Galacticjourney]], one of the contributors, as "Rediscovery: Science Fiction by Women (1958-1963)". On 2019-09-23 you moved "Rediscovery" to the "Series" field. On 2019-10-14 Annie removed "Rediscovery" from related title records.<br />
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Yesterday, [[User:Galacticjourney]] [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Can.27t_log_in indicated] that "Rediscovery" is part of the title proper as opposed to a series name. As far as I can tell, there are no related books with "Rediscovery" in the title, so it would appear that he is right. Would it be OK to change the title back to ''Rediscovery: Science Fiction by Women (1958-1963)''? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:47, 17 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Yeah, it should stay in the title. Looks like I just fixed the extremely sloppy editing that removed it in half of the places (in preparation of cloning for the ebook) without checking if it should have been edited to start with (my bad on that). :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:48, 17 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Without a second volume in the series, it is best to put 'Rediscovery:' back into the title(s) proper (which I just did; I also corrected the stated 'First edition' for the ebook). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:36, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: It is the first edition of the ebook, Look inside even showed it when I looked when I added it. Why would you “correct” it? Can you please share your research that led to removing data from the edition? The only cited source is Amazon and it says so. So we record it. If you have other information, please add your sources and reasoning to the edit. Otherwise, please do not edit something to contradict the cited sources. <br />
::: And apparently you could not be bothered to fix the titles that take their names from the reference title (again) so I will finish your edit again. :)[[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:49, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: The statement for a first edition was obviously erroneous, the print edition preceded it. If it's stated, 'Stated first edition' would be right to add to the notes. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:26, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::: It looks like there may be some minor discrepancies between what Look Inside shows and what the Amazon.com record shows. For example, Look Inside says "August 2019" while the displayed Amazon record says "September 2, 2019" (perhaps the date when the e-book became available at Amazon?). It would be helpful to document these discrepancies in Notes to avoid questions in the future. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 12:42, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: If the source and the book declare this as a first edition, we document that (or you add notes explaining the discrepancy). "Apparent first ebook edition" is nonsense in this case because of what the sources are saying. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:56, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: That's why 'Stated first edition' would be right, as explained above. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:07, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::::: With a single source, anything un-attributed specifically comes from that source - which in this case is Amazon and the statement "data from Amazon" makes it clear. Adding Stated is not needed here - but I added a note where exactly it comes from. None of that explains your "Apparent first ebook edition" from earlier today. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:25, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Der Weg zum Mars ==<br />
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Just a quick note to let you know that I have adjusted the parent authors of your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?854643 verified ''Der Weg zum Mars'']. Is it safe to assume that it was the only volume in the trilogy translated by Heyne? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 12:10, 5 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Many thanks for the updating! I wasn't able to find the original novel (and Хачатурьянц) at Wikipedia or at FantLab. There was a German edition of 'На астероиде', which I'm gonna to add this week, but I don't know yet if it's part of the series, at first glance the book didn't give a hint towards that. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:28, 6 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: According to [https://fantlab.ru/work780752 FantLab], it's part 2 of a trilogy:<br />
::* Путь к Марсу (first serialization 1978, first book publication 1979)<br />
::* На астероиде (first serialization 1981, first book publication 1984)<br />
::* Здравствуй, Фобос! (first serialization 1982, first book publication 1988)<br />
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:: Unfortunately, since FantLab's bibliographies are author-centric, finding anything published by authors who do not have "curated" bibliographies is a chore. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:49, 6 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks!. It was (theoretically) possible to search by publisher, but the publications appeared to be not ordered chronologically, and I have to admit, that I gave up after the first twenty-something. But I'll add the 'На астероиде' to the series upon entering. Thanks again. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:58, 6 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== German poetry ==<br />
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If you have a minute, can you check if you can find earlier editions for [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Anniemod#Need_a_little_help these poems]? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:16, 20 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:It's seems possible that the poems were published before 1905 in a magazine or a newspaper. I have found no evidence for this, however. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:20, 21 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Yeah, I cannot find anything either. I did not put the word first in the notes exactly because I was not sure it is first so that’s the best we can do for now I guess. :) Thanks for looking. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:43, 21 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Your capitalization changes ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
<br />
Just a reminder to write moderator notes when you make extensive changes like the ones here: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5100882 Changes in every story] (or any changes really when other editors had worked on a record)? While it may be obvious to you, it won't be in 3 years. Also - when you do that kind of changes, don't forget to follow up on any parents that may exist (it is wrongly created and I am cleaning it up but there was a parent out there with the old capitalization. I would have also posted a reminder for the editor although Portuguese may need some reversals - European and Brazilian Portuguese capitalize differently apparently (why would anything be easy). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:53, 28 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks for the reminder, Annie (and for the information to the editor)! Right now, I'm working on works and publications by Lem. Nevertheless, I tend to do other things that I run across, and maybe, that's not as good a idea as it seems to be (but on the other hand, every betterment has its benefit). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:09, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Oh, it is always a good idea. Just get in the habit of adding moderator notes - especially when doing cleanup. I started way back when before I became a moderator and now it is a second nature. We don’t need an essay - just a reminder note - in this case I’d say “capitalization” and be done. Makes the “what happened here” easier to parse. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:14, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Okay, will do so in the future. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:16, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Allan Quatermain ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5102776 This] had a very interesting price. Can you check to make sure I picked the correct currency when fixing it? Pre-unification German currencies trip me up occasionally. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:04, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Ooooops! Yes, a strange price that was indeed, thanks for the find. DM is correct. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:12, 30 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Orphan Perry Rhodans ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
<br />
Can you figure out in which PR series do these 3 fit:<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2843076 Perry Rhodan, #282: Die Spur führt zu Jagos Stern]<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2843074 Perry Rhodan, #281: Kampf in der Tiefsee]<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2843072 Perry Rhodan, #280: Die Weltraumdetektive greifen ein]<br />
They had been sitting on the board alone since March and are starting to feel a bit lonely... Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:11, 6 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And while you are around [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?856123 Perry Rhodan Sonderband] also needs a series. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:13, 6 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks for the findings, Annie! Will do the first, but the 'Sonderband' seems to be a one-shot so far: it was published to celebrate the 60th anniversary of the series, and there may be more in five and/or ten years. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:12, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Editor records need to be part of series in the DB. So either it is a magazine/fanzine (and has one) or it is a different thing and needs a type change. Your choice. I’d just stick the name of the Pub itself as a series for now. Or put it directly under the master PR series - surely it must be connected to the big sprawling universe in there. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:28, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Okay, you're double right: I did some research at Perrypedia, and there were in fact two previous publications in the series, different in character, though (not entered so far). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:38, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::: Always fun when that happens, isn’t it? :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:45, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Tom O'Bedlam oder der arme Tom von Bethlehem ==<br />
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What do you mean with "The cover design should be credited to Atelier Ingrid Schütz on the copyright page." [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?594754 here]? I am wondering about the "should be" part of the sentence :) What are you trying to convey exactly? And there is another "should be" over there - both sound like an attempt to say something which came out weirdly in English. Did you mean "most likely" or "with a certain degree of certainty even though we have no access to the book" or "based on other books, it is expected to be there"? If so, the better expression will be "most likely" plus a note about the reason for your thinking that it is the case. Or just state where you got the information from and don't try to guess what is on the copyright page if you do not have access to it. <br />
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The way it is written now is as if you are telling the printer what to put on the pages, not a format that shows what might be on the page. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:59, 12 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Noted. Thanks for the help! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:56, 23 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Parabel vom Sämann ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
<br />
The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1331034 review] for Die Parabel vom Sämann [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362530 here] is connected to the English title and not the German one. Is it reviewing the English title or is that a leftover from some of the old conventions? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:34, 22 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
: In the same book [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1331033 this one] is connected to a short story and not the collection and a few more are going to the English titles. You may want to check them all. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:34, 22 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: No, these are the German title and the anthology reviewed (didn't review the connections upon veryifying). I'll reconnect. Thanks for finding this! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:55, 23 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: We have a new report for cross-language reviews: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?301 here] - while we were fixing languages and splitting language versions in the last years, we forgot the reviews connections somehow. You may want to check the German ones in there - sometimes they need to stay like that so if there is a PV I will be knocking on their doors to check/verify anyway shortly. So if you have the time and inclination, some help will be appreciated. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:06, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: PS: Like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?412301 this one]. Are all of those non-German titles really used like that in the book (as the review titles) and are they reviewing the original texts? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:09, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Yes, they are; at least they are titled this way. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:18, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::: I'll clear these from the report then later so someone does not decide to fix them. I'd add a general note in the publication as well if I were you explaining that (it is uncommon so more notes, the better). Thanks for checking! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:24, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Menagerie von Babel ==<br />
<br />
Hi Christian, <br />
<br />
Can you check if [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2055389 this story] has 7 or 17 in the title? I would not be surprised if it got changed for German but just making sure it is not a typo in the DB. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:25, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Yes, it has the '7' (and it even states the original title with a '7'). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:07, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks for checking. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:27, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan #3137 ==<br />
Hi,<br />
could you please have a look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?852244 PR #3137]? According to the cover, the author is Robert Corvus, but it's currently listed as Uwe Anton. According to Perrypedia, Anton was the originally scheduled author, but it looks like that changed. Thank you. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] 16:11, 25 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Many thanks for finding this! That one just slipped through the net. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:13, 25 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Converting to chapbooks and languages. ==<br />
<br />
When converting to chapbooks like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5139193 here], keep in mind that ALL newly created titles will NOT have a language because the work does not have a reference title. In such cases, add the chapbook record only. Save it. Fix the language of the chapbook. Then edit again to add all the art pieces. Otherwise someone needs to manually fix the language on each of them one by one (21 of them to be exact in this case) :) Alternatively, do a single update but then fix the languages of all titles. Thanks! <br />
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: Thanks, Annie. I thought I had grabbed them all.<br />
:: You got the chapbooks. The 21 art pieces across English and Swedish had no language. All sorted now - just keep that in mind - these can be annoying that way. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:48, 3 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Also what is the source for claiming that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?391615 this] is first edition? [https://www.worldcat.org/title/mio-min-mio/oclc/7772523 OCLC] does not say so. No other sources listed. Same for the printing - OCLC does not specify first printing and there may have been differences that disqialify this record (sourced by this OCLC record) and carrying this cover and these illustrations from being the first printing. So how did you determine that this is a first edition? It may well be - but we need to show at least a source OR a justification to claim it so. And we need a source for the number of illustrations you added - OCLC does not have that either :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:16, 2 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Will add the source. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:46, 3 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Which Wikipedia? And which pages - the book, the author, the artist, a combination of? Contents differ per language... We need a link to the correct one in the Web Pages (or correct ones if more than one is used). Someone should be able to follow our research when done online based on our notes - saying just "Wikipedia" is like saying "Google" :) <br />
:: And I do not see the 17 illustrations mentioned in either the Swedish or the English versions. Or the German one. Unless I missed it somewhere? So where did you find these mentioned? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:48, 3 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Christian? Can you please point to your source for the 17 illustrations? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:57, 5 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Yeah, well Wikipedia of course and the upcoming German edition(s). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:37, 6 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Tramps von Luna ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I have digital copies from {{P|721869|Das große Robert A. Heinlein Lesebuch}} and {{P|670004|Die Tramps von Luna}}. In the first one the novel has 18 chapters (the last sentence is: Hazel öffnete die Augen. »Ist sie das?«), in the second one are 19 chapters (the last sentence is:Der Start unterbrach ihren Satz. Aber Roger Stone wußte, was sie meinte. Saturn – Uranus – Pluto …). Please take a look how the novel ends. Many thanks [[User:Henna|Henna]] 18:00, 4 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Well, the earlier translation was noted as likely abridged, I think that does explain the differences. I'll clarify the notes. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:27, 5 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== One Cover ==<br />
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The cover I just added to Richard Bach's One is the same as the later edition; some editor entered a note for that edition that there was no credit for the cover art but there was for cover design and entered that, which is wrong, so neither of them should be there. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:45, 5 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: This may be so, but [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Gzuckier Gzuckier] was the one who added the initial credit, so please do ask him for the reasoning behind this. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:54, 5 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Moon Quest ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Just a quick reminder: If you are adding any extra titles (covers, interior art and so on) during a novel -> chapbook conversion, they are created with no language so you may want to chase them down and add a language to them while you are still working on the book. If you first add the chapbook, then set its language and THEN add the additional titles, you do not have this problem. But when you add them when you are adding the CHAPBOOK title, their languages need to be set manually. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?259461 Moon Quest] pinged in a report with both of its art titles being language-less. Fixed now. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:56, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Thanks, Annie. I'll try even harder to expand my memory cells. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:07, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Alternatively, keep an eye on the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?194 report] when you know you did some conversions the previous day. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:14, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== lub hnub qub tshiab - Neuer Stern 67 ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Can you look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?825350 this] for me? Looks like the author of that single story tried to add Neuer Stern 67 but... that's one weird title on the whole magazine. And then there is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?854606 this one] as well - is this a fanzine or magazine? Any chance you can find something in the German blogs/publisher site/something to get these up to shape or at least to make that first one less ugly and figure out the type if nothing else? Thanks in advance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:25, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry, but I can't find anything about the correct title (the weird part might be part of the title, but our conventions would imply to have the fanzine's (!!!) title first, I'd think). One thing I was able to find is that it's really a sort of newsletter for the club, so definitely a fanzine. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:56, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Google translate tells me that "lub hnub qub tshiab" is "New Star" in Hmong (which may or may not be the truth - Google Translate is getting better but some languages are more challenging for it and I know nothing about Hmong to be able to do some checks). But "Neuer Stern" is the same in German. So I wonder if it was not a Hmong issue or something? But yep - under our rules magazine/fanzine generic title is always first in the title. The only thing I can find is [https://www.scifinet.org/scifinetboard/index.php/blog/64/entry-9817-neuer-stern-66-67-roboter-frankenstein-elstercon/ this] which confirms the story being there but does not have anything about Hmong. Thanks for checking! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 06:11, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Nice find! I'd think that the editor(s) searched for an exotic translation of New Star / Neuer Stern and put that one into the title to puzzle the readership (which worked!). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:13, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: That would also explain why I see nothing Hmong related in the issue description/contents. I had not seen the editor who adds these around lately but I will leave them a note as well and maybe we will get to the bottom of all this. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:40, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Feinde im Weltall? und andere Novellen ==<br />
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Hello Christian, <br />
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Need a German eye for a second. Is the price [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?402542 here] ℳ1.00 or is there something else happening with this - at the end (1907 will make it the Gold Mark so I am pretty sure about the currency but if that is also not it, let me know? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:08, 16 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Yes, it should be ℳ1.00, which was valid from 1871 until 1914. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:16, 17 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:39, 17 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Wiktor Piwowarow ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Our [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?335724 Pivovarov] is definitely not the [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2,_%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80_%D0%90%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B4%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87 sportsman] but the [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2,_%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80_%D0%94%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87 painter]. :) I fixed the link to Wiki and his legal name. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:53, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Ah, yes. Thanks Annie, it didn't occur to me that there might be two Pivovarovs (well, it might, if I'd be able to really read Russian - not only decipher most letters). I just wondered why the Wikipedia had the year of birth as 1957 and not 1937. Thanks for the correction, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:46, 22 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: There are actually [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2,_%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80 5 of them] that were important enough to have articles - just one relevant to us though (funnily enough 3 of them are born in the same year making it even more confusing if you cannot read the descriptions). Feel free to ping me if you need someone to assist with my languages. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:59, 22 November 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Will do! Thanks again, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:05, 22 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Metropolis ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/metropolis0000lang; Saw you did some Metropolis edits after my recent edits; have you seen this? Says Second Printing 1981. --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:43, 27 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Yeah, your Fritz Lang update triggered the 'Metropolis' conversion to SHORTFICTION / CHAPBOOK, a thing that I became aware of quite a while ago (but forgot about it, working on other things). I saw the second printing of 1981, but am not sure if it's the hc or the tp that is reprinted (the second seems more likely, but you never know). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:52, 27 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Currency question: Peter Schlemihl's wundersame Geschichte ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?646729 this one]. Can we safely write "Taler 1.25" or is there something else going on with this currency that will require a different format? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:01, 3 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Ah, I see the problem of the double space. I've updated the record to Taler 1.25. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:44, 4 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Ministry for the Future title & pub dates ==<br />
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Hi Christian, I'm curious why you've zeroed out the day-of-the-month for the title and several pubs of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2772326 The Ministry for the Future]? Whilst I appreciate that "street dates" often don't match the official pub dates, AFAIK [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Date policy] is to use the official date, and - again AFAIK - the dates listed by Amazon, Kobo, etc for the digital pubs should definitely be accurate to when those products became available to download.<br />
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Losing this info is unhelpful for some projects I've been mulling over (but haven't actually gotten around to implementing, sigh):<br />
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* Analysing peak weeks-of-the-year for pubs - flattening everything to a 28-31 day period would make this less accurate<br />
* Doing cross-checks between the data in ISFDB versus the data I've locally scraped from various sites, to check for errors, delays, etc<br />
* Potentially looking for discrepancies in Tuesday vs Thursday pubs to see if stuff has been allocated to the wrong publisher (e.g. Tor US vs UK, Orbit US vs UK). In itself, this wouldn't be reliable, and would likely have lots of false positives (seems like lots of UK ebooks come out on Tuesdays to match the US), but in conjunction with other signals like currency or ISBN range, might help to prioritize the most likely to be errors.<br />
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Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 11:06, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:The available (per Amazon's look inside) copyright statements only speak of 'October 2020', thus - as a policy - we use this as the official publication date (since it is the stated one: official statement ruling out a vendor's statement). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:11, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: But by that logic, loads of recent UK pubs should be submitted with a yyyy-00-00 date, because the info on the copyright page doesn't go to a more granular level than the year? (I have just double checked this with a bunch of recent-ish UK books from big 5 imprints, most of which were first printings, and all just had the year listed.) <br />
::: There's a difference, in that those statements mostly have a copyright statement, not a statement for a publication date. {{unsigned|Stonecreek}}<br />
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:: Also, I'm not sure that details from the copyright page of one pub merit changing the details for other pubs, especially if they are from (arguably) different publishers? The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5193936 UK hc] doesn't have a Look Inside preview on Amazon .com, .co.uk or .de, and the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?795201 UK ebook] only states a year per [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ministry-Future-Kim-Stanley-Robinson-ebook/dp/B08C5DWVRK/ the Amazon preview]. (As an aside, the edits mean that the note on that ebook pub are no longer correct w.r.t. price) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 12:13, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::: Well, in the hc case, the kindle edition states 'Originally published in hardcover and ebook by Orbit in October 2020'. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:12, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
: As long as they are properly sourced, removing dates based on copyright statement is IMO database vandalism. Christian, please stop doing that. We date books based on ALL sources - if we can date exactly based on publisher/seller site and we can add a note on that source, we should not remove the date because the book only mentions the month (or the year). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:00, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:: PS: All dates had been restored as per the sources in their notes. Adding a note that "OCLC only lists the month" or whatever else note you want to add to specify that some other sites specify something different if you want but please stop removing data from the DB and leaving the notes in a state that does not match the data in the listed sources. Thanks! I really hope you had not been doing that on other books and thus destroying data in the DB consistently. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:13, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::: One more note. Look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?791721 this one]. We have a PV who left the date. They even left a note explaining the source of the date (Amazon.com). And yet you changed the date leaving the note incorrect <br />
:::* Should have not happened on a PV'd book at all - you don't "fix" other people's data without talking to them based on what you think the data should look like.<br />
:::* Leaving the date and the note not matching makes this a really bad edit - even if the data loss was not. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:20, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) The issue of using YYYY-MM-00 date values taken from copyright pages over more precise YYYY-MM-DD date values from other sources was debated back in 2006-2007 when ISFDB 2.0 was launched. At the time, the majority of editors believed that exact publication dates used by Amazon and other online booksellers were unreliable and did not necessarily represent actual publication dates. This resulted in a convoluted process of capturing the exact (YYYY-MM-DD) pre-publication date from Amazon, using it to generate the "Select Forthcoming Books" list on the front page, then changing the date to a YYYY-MM-00 date printed in the book when the publication was verified. To the best of my recollection, this practice was abandoned in the mid-2010s and we decided to keep the more precise YYYY-MM-DD date when its source is properly documented in Notes. It's similar to the way we add and document other types of information -- like cover artist names -- from secondary sources.<br />
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I don't think the old, abandoned, method is documented anywhere in Help, but, based on the discussion above, I suspect that Christian may be still using it. Does this make sense, Christian? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:38, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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Having said that, changing primary-verified publications like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?791721 this one] without consulting the verifier and leaving records in an inconsistent state is not acceptable and something that the reviewing moderator would normally be expected to catch. Since you are a self-approver, the responsibility to enforce ISFDB conventions and keep records self-consistent falls on you. Please make sure this doesn't happen again or else it will jeopardize your self-approver status. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:30, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Yeah, I was using the consenus you refer to, and it must have been debated even after 2007 (because I wasn't around then). The verifier hasn't been around for almost a year, and had the contradictory dates (stated month within the publication vs. day stated by a vendor). The consensus still is - to the best of my knowledge - that Amazon is not a reliable bibliographical source per se, and we use the dates in those cases where we don't have a more reliable source (for example the copyright page of a given publication). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:56, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: I ducked out of this conversation because I spent some time digging through old rules and standards archives to see if this had previously been discussed. I believe [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive11#Stated_publication_date_vs._actual_publication_date.3F this exchange from 2012] might be what Ahasuerus is referring to? My reading of that discussion was that Christian's changes could certainly be interpreted as in line with that discussion, but also that that discussion was based on presumptions that might no longer be as valid as they were, at least in the context of new (2015+) books and/or downloaded media? I haven't yet run across any discussion that might relate to "this practice was abandoned in the mid-2010s", but my ability to go through years of R&S discussion has its limits ;-)<br />
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::: Re. "the contradictory dates (stated month within the publication vs. day stated by a vendor", personally I don't believe that "Published in yyyy" or "Published in monthname yyyy" in a primary source is contradicted by secondary sources that list a particular yyyy-mm-dd value - Where the yyyy and mm match up, of course - and that if we have reasonable sources for the yyyy-mm-dd, these should be used, and that these shouldn't be replaced by yyyy-mm-00 values unless there's a good reason, and if so, that reason (and the original yyyy-mm-dd value) should be documented in the title/pub note? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 08:12, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:::: Sounds a reasonable way to deal with it: I do know of some (German) publishers that do their deals first - directly - with their customers and/or special 'hardware' book shops (those that one actually can step into), and make it available only after that to online (or other) vendors. So, I recall that the date stated with Amazon was assumed to be the one that a publication was made available there (nothing more, nothing less). This has lead to the above statement that we enter this date when there's nothing better available to us (and that'd be the case for many new publications upon entering them). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:25, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::::: Amazon is not reliable for dates on OLD books - as in pre-2009 maybe and books that only have listings from external vendors. Things had changed since then. Multiple times. These days Amazon.com for new US books and Amazon UK for new UK ones, especially when they are from major publishers and when the publishers don’t move the dates are pretty reliable for dates. Plus there were multiple sources listed on the UK books here - all of which you just ignored :) The US ones may not have been listed but they are easily foundable and all agree on the date. Assuming that both me and John did not verify the dates when adding these books was arrogant (and how any of that logic for hardcovers applies to Audio books and eBooks that you also changed is a mystery). Let’s not use the German practices for dating US/UK books going forward. Plus as I said - for some of those Amazon was not the only source and “I assumed so” without bothering to check the publisher site or anything else is never a good reason to delete data. If you are not sure about a practice in a different country, please ask - don’t just assume it matches Germany. As i had to correct another publication “fixed” like that by you, i have a suspicion that we are looking at another cleanup efforts to cleanup after your edits… Maybe you need to spend some time with the help pages and refresh your ideas in how the site rules had changed in the last 10 years or so? That’s not the first time you are applying rules which had been out of use for a decade (dating of variants come to mind). :) <br />
::::: Anything else I can assist clarifying around dating of English language books? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:15, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:::::: PS: The short version of the request here: The basic rule for blanking a date (or any other data really) should be "is there a reason not to trust the date?" and not "oh, I don't trust dates so I will always remove them" which seems to have happened here and elsewhere. More data is better than less data so unless you have a reason to think an already added date is incorrect, leave it in place, please. Especially of there is a source (or 4) corroborating. Thanks! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:00, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::::::: Sorry, Annie, but none of your statements refer to the consensus that seems to still hold: we use the officially stated date of publication, when we have one available. And that the one stated at Amazon (or another source) isn't the official date was made clear: nowadays it is the date of distribution (for Amazon). If you could point me (and us) to the argumentational thread where the consensus mentioned above was changed, I'd be most grateful. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:13, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:::::::: That's not the practice OR the consensus. We date books based on all available sources and document our sources. We don't throw away sources and data because Stonecreek don't trust them (and don't want to do a search to verify them). Please stop removing dates on books where there is no suspicion on when the book was actually published. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:32, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::::::::: Yes, it is: per the discussion from 2012 referred to above this ''is'' (or was then) the consensus. Even more, the help for entering the date of publication explicitly says what to use: ''For books, to identify the publication date, try to find a statement (often on the verso of the title page) that says something like "Published in June 2001"''; the exception referred to after that statement is only for later printings. So, what else is there as a point for deviating from that? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:49, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:::::::::: Removing valid data is never acceptable. If you change them back and delete the data again, I will restore it again as we have a valid source to corroborate the exact date. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:35, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) Christian, if you disagree with a moderator's interpretation of the data entry rules, using your self-approver privileges to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title_history.cgi?2970434 undo the moderator's edits] is a completely unacceptable way to go about resolving the disagreement. It just starts an "edit war", which should never happen here. This is not what the self-approver status was created for; additional instances of this behavior or ''any'' other abuse of the privileges will result in their termination.<br />
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The right way to resolve this issue would be to post your arguments on the Moderator Noticeboard. If the subsequent discussion warrants it, we may take it to the Rules and Standards board.<br />
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BTW, to check the current practice, I have compiled a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_month&O_1=exact&TERM_1=2021-01&C=AND&USE_2=pub_ver_date&O_2=contains&TERM_2=2021&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication list of primary-verified publications published in January 2021]. Out of 126 pubs, only 30 (14 of them are magazines) have 2021-01-00 dates. The rest have full 2021-01-DD dates.<br />
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Re: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive11#Stated_publication_date_vs._actual_publication_date.3F the 2012 Rules and Standards discussion], it ended with MartyD planning to come up with new Help language and post it for further discussion, which, as far as I can tell, never happened. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:02, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Well, the help page - referred to above - states it the way we overcame to in the discussion, regardless if the help was changed afterward: if not, it appears the discussion ensured the text. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:41, 13 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Alte DSFP Nominierungen == <br />
Wow, Super, danke Dir für Deinen hilfreichen Links hier! (ch switche hier einfach mal ins Deutsch, wenn okay?)! Ich muss mich da echt mal einlesen und habe ja als ersten Projekt den DSFP nachzutragen, da warst du ja selber im Komitee! Paar Angaben auf der Webseite stimmen wohl nicht (copy & paste Fehler beim Übertrag der der Vorjahre) aber die ersten Preise sollten ich seit 1985 haben. Gibt es evt. irgendwo ein Archiv, wo man tatsächlich noch die alten Platzieren herausfinden kann? DANKE! --[[User:Jannis|Jannis]] 06:18, 16 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Hi, and welcome to my talk page! <br />
: If you don't mind, I do prefer to write in English, though you may ask in German, if you aren't sure how to phrase things. The reason is that this is a site for which the work is done in English, and other editors may have difficulties to read and understand other languages (and it may become tedious to translate things from one language into the other and back - which may be needed in case of information relevant to ISFDB).<br />
: Having said this, I will try and help you with the award if I can. Alas, there seems to be no online archive for the older nominations, but I'll try and take a look into my magazine & nonfiction stack, if there's more information to be found there (though for the very first year - 1985 - there was nothing to be found so far). Do you have any access to old issues of the magazine / fanzine "Andromeda Nachrichten"? The nominations should be listed there, if anywhere! And may I ask you about your background and how you did find out about me (because I think my being with the comitee was not communicated far and wide)? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:36, 16 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Sure, switching back to English, no worries! Btw is this the way the right method to directly communicate here? And sorry, I hope it's not spoiling a secret, because it's stated on the open NOVA website: https://nova-sf.de/eine-site and sadly no access to "Andromeda" :( Next task: I must add some info about my<elf on my page here :) [[User:Jannis|Jannis]] 11:42, 16 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: Yes, this is the right way to communicate with the single members / editors of ISFDB. One more quite important page may be the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk Help Desk] where you can ask anything that you may find puzzling about entering or ensuring data. <br />
::: If you like you may also want to add information to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?318201 your summary page]. How to? Just click 'Edit Author Data' on the left tool bar, listed under 'Editing Tools'. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:25, 16 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:::: Hi Christian, thanks for your support for "Wetzlar". I added in the last days the 2023 DSFP & KLP winners (still in the moderation list to be approved). Then I wanted to look out for the old DSFP winners. BR [[User:Jannis|Jannis]] ([[User talk:Jannis|talk]]) 08:35, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Moderator Noticeboard discussion of the Perry Rhodan changes ==<br />
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Could you please review [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Unverifying_publications this discussion on the Moderator Noticeboard], which is related to these Perry Rhodan changes? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:11, 22 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== 2001: Uma odisseia no espaço ==<br />
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I see that you have edited [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?664749 2001: Uma odisseia no espaço], a primary-verified publication, after asking the primary verifier on 2022-01-27 and also asking for feedback on the Community Portal. Seeking consensus is always good a thing, but let me remind you what I wrote [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:AlainLeBris#Stalker on AlainLeBris]'s Talk page on 2022-01-21:<br />
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: Christian, it's been less than 24 hours since your original questions were posted. Please do not edit publications primary-verified by active editors without their consent. If you believe that a verifier has made a mistake, e.g. a name was misspelled, and the verifier does not respond to your inquiry after a week, post your findings on the Moderator Noticeboard. To quote the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#What_if_I_want_to_make_a_change_in_a_verified_publication_record.3F ISFDB FAQ]:<br />
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:* If you want to change or remove information, please ask the verifier first. If the verifier doesn't respond in a week or so, post a note on the [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard|Moderator noticeboard]] and someone will help you.<br />
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: This is the standard procedure and all editors are expected to follow it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:15, 21 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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Again, this is the standard process and all editors are expected to follow it, yet your edits have repeatedly gone against the process over the last few weeks. If you do not follow the process again, your self-approver privileges will be revoked. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 14:29, 28 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Okay, thanks, I'll do my very best! I hope I'll not be carried away again trying to help things making better. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:40, 28 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Cover art credit for Science-Fiction-Stories 79 ==<br />
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Christian, I've added the cover credit for Rich Sternbach to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?642914 Science-Fiction-Stories 79] as it's a variant of a Galaxy cover of his. I modified the comment about the indecipherable signature to note that the art has been flipped. Martin--[[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] 10:21, 3 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Many thanks, Martin! Great find! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:44, 3 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== {{P|632555|Bruder der Gorgonen}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, on the cover is a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/8/8f/Greenaway_peter_van-bruder_der_gorgonen_sig.jpg signature], maybe you can read them. Regards [[User:Henna|Henna]] 14:01, 15 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry, Henna, but I remember having spent some time to identify this artwork upon verifying the publication but couldn't decipher it either. The artist's style also didn't ring a bell. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:35, 16 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Als der Weihnachtsmann vom Himmel fiel ==<br />
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Can you check the ISBN [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?876827 here]? It is a bit too late for ISBN-10 and if it is indeed the only one printed (being a reprint and all), a note explaining that should be added. :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:36, 15 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:With this being only a transient verification, I do assume that this is most likely a cloning error. I'll update the ISBN. Thanks for finding this, Annie! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:31, 16 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Bardioc ==<br />
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After your latest edits, the link [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?553981 in the notes here] is not valid anymore. Can you find out where it is supposed to link now? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:25, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:It must have been defunct before, since I didn't do anything with it. Fixed. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:00, 18 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Possibly. :) But it needed fixing and you had been around the title so had a better chance to figure it out than me starting from scratch :) Thanks for fixing it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:02, 18 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Ring of Thoth ==<br />
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Regarding {{T|1094940}}: Variants are dated based on the first appearance under that title and author credit. 1890 was the original appearance of the story, not the original appearance of this variant. Doyle was knighted in 1902 so any credit with Sir has to be after that date. I have restored the prior date. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:06, 27 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Juvenile flags ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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A gentle reminder that if a story is marked as juvenile, you also need to mark all chapbooks which contain it as juvenile (and vice versa). A few of your additions and updates in the last weeks showed up on the discrepancy report (and are now fixed) but please keep that in mind. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:11, 2 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks, Annie, will try to think of it in the future! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:37, 3 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== {{T|2374871|Fabeln aus künftigen Jahren, in denen die Menschen in unterirdischen Bunkern leben werden}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, is this the same text like in ''Zeitschleifen''?<br />
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Ein Ingenieur hat geschrieben, daß sich die Felsen in der Umgebung von Prag zum Bau von unterirdischen Bunkern für die Prager Bevölkerung eignen.<br />
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''Im Zeitalter der unterirdischen Bunker''<br />
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Wenn man überlegt, daß die frühere Menschheit ihre Behausungen über der Erde gebaut hat! Welch primitive Zeiten das doch waren!<br />
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Thanks for looking it up [[User:Henna|Henna]] 12:54, 8 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Yes, it is: it is even stated as taken from the anthology ''Zeitschleifen''. Thanks! Christian<br />
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::Thanks again [[User:Henna|Henna]] 08:25, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== 7. & 8. Reise ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I think in {{P|552030|7. & 8. Reise}} the date 1961 for the two stories is wrong. Regards [[User:Henna|Henna]] 11:22, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Sure! I do wonder how I got to this date. Strange things seem to happen... Thanks for finding this! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:51, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Das Killer-Ding ==<br />
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Cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?390487 this] is by Angus McKie. It's a mirror image of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21342 Manalone]. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:41, 11 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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Thanks! Great find! I'll add the information. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:28, 11 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Welcome template ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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If you are going to be posting these, please do that properly: it is <nowiki>{{subst:welcome}}</nowiki> and not just <nowiki>{{welcome}}</nowiki> as the page for it [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:Welcome very clearly states]. Otherwise you make it VERY hard for an editor to answer or figure our why their page appears to be locked (as the direct call opens the template, NOT the local version). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:09, 17 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Aera: The Return of the Ancient Gods (part 7) ==<br />
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As you did this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4929481 edit], can you please clarify where you got this title ("Aera: The Return of the Ancient Gods (part 7)" from? <br />
:* The "Look Inside" shows "Episode 7" clearly. <br />
:* The cover has just "7" - which is technically irrelevant due to the title page being available.<br />
:* Our rules for naming of serials are very clear: "If the title of a SERIAL installment is unique, e.g. "Butterflies in the Kremlin, Part Eight: As the Bear Turns" or "Ciężki bój (cz. 1)", then use the full form of the title."<br />
:* Even if the title page did not contain a unique title, the rules would not have created your title: "If, on the other hand, the title is shared by at least one other SERIAL installment of the work, append a space and a parenthetical statement such as "(Part 1 of 3)" to the title."<br />
So where is your title coming from? Changing titles from valid titles to invalid ones (which you may prefer) is not a good idea. The lack of notification to the editors that had worked on that title is also a bad idea (and you had been reminded of the common courtesy expectations before - although this being an oldish edit, it probably was before that). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:45, 17 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Guess I had only the rule for the parenthetical statement in mind as valid. Sorry! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:47, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Variant title dates ==<br />
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Hi Christian, I see you're still changing variant title dates to the date of the original, see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5266880 here]. Please try to remember the date should be that of the first appearance of the variant. Also, do you have any idea where the 1972 date of the original comes from? There's no note explaining this. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 16:55, 20 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:I'll add the corresponding publication this week. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:38, 21 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: It is always a good idea to add notes on dates provenances (or any other pieces of data but dates in titles are often disconnected from books like here) if you are not adding the book supporting it immediately. If that title with this date had been submitted for moderation, you would have been asked for the source so a note can be added. As Self-approver, the expectation is the same. We all have plans but life happens and things get missed and forgotten so let’s try not to have any data added without notes on its provenance? Can you add a quick note explaining that date? You can remove it when/if you add the book later. Thanks in advance. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:58, 21 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Riesenvögel kommen ==<br />
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Ho there, Christian! Can you tell me what [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2226371 this] is about? Does it say what the original article was? Thanks.--[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 20:10, 7 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:I'm afraid it doesn't. It's about a new generation of giant airplanes. I can't find a corresponding title with that meaning with the Bob Woods page, but I guess it doesn't have to have appeared necessarily in "Future" / "Future Life". (We don't have the initial publications of Chaffee's artwork - depicting two to-be-developed airplanes - either; it's even possible that this is a first publication). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:47, 8 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Geheimprojekt Venus ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I have a problem with this pub {{P|370748|Geheimprojekt Venus}}. In the notes is a wrong parent title and the digest should have this copyright text:<br />
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„Abenteuer im Weltenraum“ – erscheint 14täglich im Alfons Semrau Verlag, Hamburg 4, Heiligengeistfeld, Hochhaus 2. Fernruf 3120 76. Alle Rechte vorbehalten. Alleinauslieferung: Alfons Semrau Verlag, Hamburg 4. '''Printed in West-Germany 1958'''. Für unverlangt eingesandte Manuskripte wird keine Gewähr übernommen. Rücksendung nur gegen Rückporto. Gesamtherstellung: Nordland-Druck GmbH., Lüneburg.<br />
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Please take a look. Many thanks [[User:Henna|Henna]] 14:31, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Rencontre avec Ovaron ==<br />
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Hi Christian. Concerning [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5286359 this edit] that made the publication show up on the "Title Dates after Publication Dates" cleanup report. I asked Linguist to check, see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Linguist#Rencontre_avec_Ovaron here]. First, you should not have changed the date without asking/informing the primary verifier. Second, his answer makes it clear that your "correction" was wrong. Do we need another cleanup report? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 10:10, 18 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
Ps, see also the cleanup report [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?33 Publication Authors That Are Not the Title Author]. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 11:24, 18 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Well, [https://www.perrypedia.de/wiki/Perry_Rhodan_franz%C3%B6sisch#Band_188_.E2.80.93_215 Perrypedia] has the date as March, this is why I changed the date. (I planned to order a copy, but didn't do that before the beginning of my holidays - I now have). I do assume that this source is more dependable than taking the date of printing. I'll bring this to Linguist's attention. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]]<br />
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== Die Schwerter von Zinjaban ==<br />
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Did I err in approving the author change, I was just about to change the pub and write a note to the verifier. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:02, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Hi, already answered on your talk page. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:05, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Any thoughts why the English language editions credit both, but not the German? (Amazon Look inside available on UK edition). 09:10, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Likely because Catherine Crook de Camp was at the time almost unknown to German readers, and because all other titles in the series were published as by Lyon Sprague alone. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:17, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Thanks for your help, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:18, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Golem 100 ==<br />
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Hello Christian. Cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?414786 this] is not Oliviero Berni as the publication credits but Terry Oakes. The artwork is depicted in Steven Eisler's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1769794 The Alien Worlds] and credited to Oakes in the Acknowledgement on p.96 of that book. I'm going to make the change and note it. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 07:47, 6 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Yes, do so, please. During the first half of the 1980s this publisher had real difficulties to give the right credits for the respective cover art. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:57, 6 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::I've made the changes and edited the notes. I pretty much had a feeling it was Terry Oakes. I just had to find the book it was illustrated in and check the credits. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 14:08, 6 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Yeah: it ''could'' have been by Berni but is nevertheless somewhat different from his usual style. Thanks again, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:26, 7 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Variant title dates. Again and again ==<br />
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Was [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5325685 this edit] really necessary? As has been told to you a number of times, the date of a variant title should be that of the first appearance of the variant. In this case, interior art is not the same as cover art. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 04:07, 24 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Well, it ''is'' exactly the same artwork (title & language) as the cover art, and it ''does'' look more strange that both works are dated differently. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:25, 24 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Again Christian? Re-read [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Stonecreek/Archive4#Changing_dates_of_variant_art_titles this discussion] where in the end you promised to follow the consensus. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 07:31, 24 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: I did. Dealt with: of course, the pre-dating to 1981 was correct. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:44, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: So nothing is changed. You still read only what you want to read. Explain to me why we have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?275 this cleanup report] exactly for this kind of error. I will not have the same discussion with you over and over again. You were wrong, and you still are wrong. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 02:31, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: It would help if you do read the notes for a title. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:42, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: I did. Again, interior art is not the same as cover art. The variant (interior art) must not have the date of the parent (coverart). And again, if you want to change the consensus, discuss it on the rules & standards page, do not impose your private rules on others. Remember the last time you were so stubborn cost you the moderator flag. Do you want to lose the self approver status too? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 02:52, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: Sorry, but it appears you want to change the consensus: the note refers to the first known publication as interior art (there may have been a previous one, and even more contemporary publications). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:31, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::: You're totally confusing now. Do you mean you forgot to add the interior art to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?367225 this publication], or is there another 1981 pub not yet in the database or do you see an invisible 1981 pub under [this title]? Is it october or december? and where did you find (please, a link to that discussion) consensus to add an earlier date to a variant title? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:12, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::: I do mean a separate publication not in the database: virtually all publishers issued regular catalogues of available & new (= soon to be published) titles, wherein the older titles usually just got listed but the new ones were prominently featured with their cover images; Heyne did publish those twice a year (in April and October), immediately predating their new Winter and new Summer program. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:12, 26 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::: So that's your new excuse? Didn't think about discussing the idea first did you? May I draw your attention to the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Contents_never_included rules of acquisition] under advertising? I don't think such a catalog counts as a publication. If you want that, discuss it first.<br />
:::::::::: To recapitulate, first you change the date to december 1981 with no note in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5325685 this edit], and when I challenge the validity of that edit you change it to october 1981 with a cryptic note [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5326497 here] I.m.o. against the rules of acquisition. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 03:41, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::::: They're quite obviously pieces of nonfiction that would have to be put into [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?42599 this series], though it's debatable if the publications are eligible (with the departments on sf taking about one seventh to one sixth): I do intend to use them as such, since they do provide information on publication history. But if you do like to change our rules of notation of first publications of titles when published within nongenre titles, please do open a discussion: there are masses of nongenre essays published within newspapers by above-the-threshold authors that would need a recalibration of notes and dates. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:59, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::::: Let me rephrase the question then. Do you want to use a publisher's advertisement of a publication to date a piece of interiorart when the rules state "No advertising of any kind is indexed". A simple yes or no please. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 07:13, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::::::: Let me repeat my answer: those are pieces of nonfiction, not advertisements: there are some ads to be found inside, for example for the next (expected) bestselling book or featuring the works of a certain bestselling author (say, Colleen McCullough), but these works were also to be found inside the alphabetical listing, which was a listing of (soon-to-be) available book titles. (We are speaking of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalog catalogues], i. e. works of reference, also known as special types of nonfiction).<br />
::::::::::::: (Let me add that it's not okay to come up with nibbling at long-established series when the consequences don't serve one own's preferences.) Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:30, 29 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) I give up on you. You can't even answer a simple yes or no question. You're incapable of admitting you're wrong in anything (see your first answer "it ''does'' look more strange that both works are dated differently" is totally against the consensus). I won't bother you anymore with things like this and take it directly to the community. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 05:19, 31 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Let me remark that you would just have needed to read the answer directly before your question and you wouldn't had have to ask.<br />
: 'You're incapable of admitting you're wrong in anything': it does seem there is also somebody else writing here in this thread ;-). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:48, 1 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Amok ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Boskar Boskar] has confirmed that Atelier Ingrid Schütz is only credited with cover design. Do you have additional information that caused you to credit cover art on the three unverified publications? Let me know if you prefer to make the changes or I will do it. 08:11, 29 May 2022 (EDT). This was me. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:48, 29 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Who's writing this (please don't forget to sign your comments / questions) and what publications are you referring to? If this has to do with the latest additions to 'Richard Bachman' books published by Heyne: I have seen the credits with printings other than those already in the database. If you prefer I'll do a transient verification for those and fill in the missing notes later when I can lay my hands on the publicatiuons again. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:24, 29 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Ryan North's How to Invent Everything - nonfiction vs novel ==<br />
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Hi, I see you changed this title from non-fiction to novel a couple of years ago [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4777827]. I've just finished reading this, and whilst I don't think it's 100% unambiguous, I'd definitely consider it to be non-fiction rather than a novel. The time-travel aspect is just a framing conceit for the non-fiction elements that comprise the core content - although without that framing, I guess this book would be ineligible for inclusion here, so it's not irrelevant.<br />
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The closest thing I could think of to try to find a precedent for how to characterise this was in-universe fact books such as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?31475 The Dune Encyclopedia], and I see that is also classed as non-fiction.<br />
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Also, I think you added the synopsis for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2601713 the title record]? At least for the British edition, that description isn't quite right - it's presented as a manufacturer's manual for a time machine to cover the event the time machine breaks down in the past, and the foreword implies it was written by an alternate-timeline version of the author working in the position of technical writer, not as a stranded time traveller.<br />
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Are you OK if I change the title type and synopsis accordingly? Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 10:24, 4 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: My changes were based on the three German reviews, but mainly on the one by Kathrin Passig & Aleks Scholz, which was the most extensive one (I haven't read the book itself). <br />
: But if there's a framing story please do consider it being a novel: we have other titles judged for inclusion just on the framing (for example [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?874803 this one], which has Death as telling the otherwise non-speculative story). But in the end: please change to your insight. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:35, 5 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks. I have switched the types of the titles and pubs, and expanded the title synopsis and note to (hopefully) explain why the book is categorized as it is. Something I should have been clearer on in my comment above, is that there aren't any characters, plot or other elements that (conventionally) are part of a story, hence me wanting to classify it as non-fic.<br />
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:: Cheers [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 16:34, 8 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Okay. It's just that I understand the rules (and the meaning) for non-fiction to be non-fictional. We have masses of texts that also don't have any of those elements, but are classified (rightly so) as fiction; here are some examples: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?845711 Space Mail] (an anthology of fictional letters), synopsises & fictional biographies, and the likely most extreme, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?57594 The Index], for which the title describes the form exactly, but is nonetheless a piece of fiction. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:52, 9 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Caldwell ==<br />
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https://www.amazon.co.uk/TM-Caldwell/e/B00T0RFEG4/ref=ntt_athr_dp_pel_11; I suspected these much later stories were by a different Caldwell, and they were; this Caldwell's a woman. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:12, 12 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks! I'll adapt accordingly. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:42, 12 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Falcons of Narabedla and the self-approver status ==<br />
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Please see the outcome of the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Falcons_of_Narabedla Falcons of Narabedla discussion on the Community portal]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:48, 14 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Falken von Narabedla / Die Späher ==<br />
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Please check the final sentence of Die Falken von Narabedla in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?551087 Terra Nova 181] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?901149 Die Späher]. Are they a translation of the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1946 1957 Other Worlds version] or the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3040549 1964 expanded version]. The notes of both publication state ©1964, so the second is most likely. The final sentence of both versions are in the respective notefields. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:59, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks for the idea, but I asked Mavmaramis to have a go at an independent word count estimate, which will help to determine the length of the later version. If both versions turn out to be novellas it has to be discussed if they shouldn't be merged anyway. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:14, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Christian, if you want to keep frustrating things, I'll just assume they are both the 1964 expanded edition, confirmed in your pub notes. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:40, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::Hello Willem! The last sentence of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?551087 Terra Nova 181] is ''Ich holte tief Atem und legte meinen Arm um Cynaras Schultern. Dann rief ich Adric, auf das er das Glück mit mir teile.'' and translated ''I drew a deep breath and put my arm around Cynara's shoulders. Then I called Adric to share the happiness with me.'' Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 17:56, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Yes, Rudolf's right and the ending for the version in "Die Späher" also fits the 1964 version. It's just that it still seems to be a novella, see my comments at the Community Portal and at Mavmaramis'. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:09, 16 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Thanks. I'll move both to the 1964 edition. For you Christian, it is established that the two versions are very different. See the notes from Ahasuerus. Even if the expanded edition were a novella, the two should never be merged. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:58, 16 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Okay, maybe i thought in the beginning that the texts were (almost) identical. Sorry for that. I also tend to think that we shouldn't have two texts with the same title type that tell the same story. We have established that for many novels, I think, in adding notes. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:40, 17 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== FYI ==<br />
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Hello Christian! We disagree about this title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?382535 DAS GROSSE SPIEL] and I don't fancy an edit war. Therefore I‘ll introduce our difference in the Rules and Standards portal and open for discussion. Regards Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 05:11, 16 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks, Rudolf! I'll reply there. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:05, 16 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Puppe Maggie Moneyeyes ==<br />
I'm just clearing my own DB and linking to ISFDB. I got a problem with Chapter 2<br><br />
"13 • Vorwort: Wie Science Fiction mich vor einem Verbrecherleben bewahrte • essay by Harlan Ellison (trans. of Foreword: How Science Fiction Saved Me from a Life of Crime 1967)",<br><br />
Author Harlan Ellison; Nevertheless, at the end of the chapter it is signed by<br>Ellison Wonderland<br>Hollywood, California<br>September 1966<br><br />
I'm aware of the book/title "Ellison Wonderland", and I'aware of the fact, that Harlan writes about himself.<br><br />
Should "Ellison Wonderland" beeing introduced as a pseudonym of Harlan Ellison?<br />
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: Hi! I don't think so, the author for collections is typically only stated on the spine, the cover and the title page, and we use the credit on the title page for all of the contents written by the respective author. Plus: "Ellison Wonderland" seems to me more likely to be the name of a place, like "Graceland" was the name Elvis Presley had chosen for his mansion. Hope that helps. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:33, 18 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== To Say Nothing of the Dog duplicate records ==<br />
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Please see [[User_talk:Willem_H.#To_Say_Nothing_of_the_Dog_duplicate_records|this conversation]]. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:54, 9 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks for the hint, I have unverified mine and will delete it: it was in fact verified later than the other one (on 2011-05-05). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:30, 9 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?907277 ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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You dropped "Editor: Stefan Bauer." from the notes in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?907277 this one]. Was that on purpose or did it go by mistake while clearing the previous line? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:56, 22 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:This was on purpose, it was a relic from the first edition and is not stated within the new one. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:08, 30 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: OK then :) A moderator note mentioning that is always helpful when this happens - otherwise you may be getting a lot of notes making sure that a line was not removed by mistake. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:22, 1 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Notes, notes, notes ==<br />
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Hello again :) <br />
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Can you please at least add a note on the source when adding new publications such as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?908987 this one] - even if you are not adding the complete set of notes yet. I know you will get back to it BUT a new editor will see that and assume no notes on non-verified new publications is ok and life can get a bit tricky sometimes so these may stay like that for a long time. I approved the ones on the board but... please remember to add just a rudimentary note on the sources (even if it ends up being a throwaway later when you expand) or verify on addition. Thanks for the understanding! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:30, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Will do (at least add something rudimaentary): In this case I wasn't sure if there's a 'Report' in it or not, so I decided to add the complete notes upon the dawning of knowledge. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:15, 3 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Figured that there is something like that happening. But at the very least "data from source" or "issue added based on advertisement in issue X" or something like that is helpful. Thanks! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:18, 3 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Photos and Interiorart ==<br />
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Hello Christian! I have a query. You want to add two photos in this pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?384702 Die Guerillas von Terrania] as new regular titles and labeled them as interiorart. I don't remember that photos are classified as interiorart. Where did you found this rule? Thanks in advance for your assistance. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 11:54, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Well, I've seen plenty of them added lately (for example for The New York Times / [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?899369 The New York Times Book Review] (which isn't even a genre magazine), so I do think it's okay to add them for genre publications. <br />
: Like the inclusion of excerpts meant as ads for upcoming novels (which weren't regularly included when we began), this policy also seems to have changed over time. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:53, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::Thanks for pointing out that it has already been accepted. Now, I' m surprised, despite the fact that the guidelines don't specify it that way. It states that photographs of authors are not included. If so, the policy need to be rewritten. I'll put this up for discussion. Thanks again for your reference. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 09:05, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::It seems that according to the previous rules, the PV alone can decide if he labels photographs as interiorart. Sorry for the belate approve.Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 11:17, 11 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: No problem at all, Rudolf! I'd also wish that the rules would be more explicit for photos. I decided to include them in this case since they were taken by Hubert Haensel, an above-the -threshold author. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:24, 11 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Titanic Magazine ==<br />
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I question [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5383512 this submission] changing the date of the rollup from 2022-00-00. The year only date is standard practice. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:27, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: It doesn't seem to be: this only seems to be standard practice if there's only one editorial credit for a given year, otherwise it's meaningful to achieve a chronological order to have the dates ordered, for example by month. Please take a look at these examples, found without major effort: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title_history.cgi?136819 MFSF], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1112309 ditto], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?993041 Omni], and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2853007 Perry Rhodan]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:38, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Andreas Eschbach Essay ==<br />
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Greetings Stonecreek, would you mind checking to see if these two are the same? [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2843203] & [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3068105] Tnaks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:55, 13 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Hello, John! No, they aren't; the first takes the author's contributions to the Perry Rhodan franchise into its focus, the second gives an overview of Eschbach's role in German sf. I'll add a note to the second one. Thanks for the hint to the seeming doublette. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:44, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Hop Aboard Kids, We're Going to 1984: Seven Children's Books and Illustration, Art, or Cosmic Kitsch? Six SF Art Books ==<br />
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{{P|910485|Genre Fiction: The Roaring Years}} contains {{T|3068541|Hop Aboard Kids, We're Going to 1984: Seven Children's Books}} and {{T|3068542|Illustration, Art, or Cosmic Kitsch? Six SF Art Books}}. It states both of these originally appeared in {{P|293929|Foundation, #10 June 1976}}. There is no such essays listed in that pub. However, there are seven Peter Nicholls book reviews on page 82 and six Peter Nicholls art book reviews on pages 114-119. I am assuming these are what are being referenced. Do either of these review groupings have a overall title in Foundation, #10? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:04, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:No, it just lists the books reviewed at its heading. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:45, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Okay, I will make the appropriate notes. Thanks for checking. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:00, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Dave Langford, who put {{P|910485|Genre Fiction: The Roaring Years}} together, has sent me an email about this issue. Here is what he says:<br />
:::* Foundation in that era added overall titles to reviews and groups of reviews: the coverage of the seven children's books and the six sf art books each formed a continuous block of text with the lower-case headings "hop aboard kids, we're going to 1984" and "illustration, art or cosmic kitsch?" However, these titles don't appear in the Foundation contents list.<br />
::: Does this match what's in your copy? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:04, 16 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: David Langford is right: it'd pay to actually take a look into the issue. This practice only was conducted in the issues of 'Foundation' that were edited by Nicholls (and I think he wrote in one of the editorials that they were added by him, and not by the review editor). IMO they don't make the reviews into essays: they otherwise don't differ from reviews in earlier & later issues and are all part of the respecive reviews sections. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:45, 16 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Publisher's Pantheons & Consumer's Guide to Recent Writing on SF ==<br />
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{{P|293930|Foundation, #11 and 12}} has {{T|1540526|Publisher's Pantheons}} on page 101 and {{T|1541948|Consumer's Guide to Recent Writing on SF}} on page 168. {{P|910485|Genre Fiction: The Roaring Years}} reprints these respectively as Publishers' and Consumers'. Before I variant, I wanted to check these were not database errors. Would you mind double checking? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:19, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: They were indeed entered erroneously. It'd be right to merge those two (that is, four) titles. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:58, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Merged. Thanks! --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:00, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Perry Rhodan Sonderband'' change submission ==<br />
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Hi. This [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5415109 submission] had a title it used disappear, so I cannot do anything with it and you will have to redo it. I do not remember what is accessible after a hard reject, so I left it there for now. When you are done referring to it, if you cannot cancel it yourself let me know and I will do the hard reject. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 18:21, 9 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks for the info, Marty! (But I think this shouldn't have happened - importing into and editing a publication are independent from one another, or so I thought: is this perhaps a new bug?). I'll edit anew. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 03:38, 10 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::I think the update must have changed something about one of the content records, perhaps a page number, and the title associated with that record got deleted (most likely merged) after your edit was submitted. Whatever that submission was must have been approved first. I do not know of a way for me to tell what happened. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:07, 10 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Well, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1118774 this title] was merged, maybe this was the cause? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:31, 10 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Imperium ==<br />
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Christian, I have the following three submissions on hold. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5416084 Second], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5416086 Third], and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5416089 Fourth] printings of Imperium. The publication date for the second printing as stated in the notes reads "The month of publication was chosen to put this printing after the first one". The other two have similar notes. I'm not familiar with this practice. It appears to contract our standards, both in general and specifically with the Date: field. A quick [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_note&O_1=contains&TERM_1=month+of+publication+was+chosen&C=AND&USE_2=pub_title&O_2=exact&TERM_2=&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication search] shows that this is not the first time you have used this methodology. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:29, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Excuse me for interrupting but I am familiar with this situation. I have come across many pub records where the notes state that Month has been set arbitrarily in order to sort multiple printings in the same year. So, very early in my editing career, I tried to do the same thing... and Annie told me off (very nicely)! Apparently, this practice has happened in the past but it is no longer tolerated. You can see the discussion here: [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:IanPercival#Foundation_and_Empire_.2F_Second_Foundation Part 1] and [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Teallach#Dating_and_all_that Part 2]. Unfortunately, we are left with a legacy issue of all the historic cases. You will find a lot more if you run an advanced search on publication where the Notes field contains both the words "month" and "arbitrary". [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:06, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: What would be better or right to do? We know that a later printing can't have appeared before an earlier one. Would we set all later printings of one year to the date of the first? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:16, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::I know you agree we have an obligation to ensure the record accurately reflects the underlying publication. When information is obtained from a secondary source, we document the source. Your submissions, particularly 'Perry Rhodan' are among the best I've seen. What you are doing here with the date field is turning it into nothing more than a sort field. Not only does it distort the underlying publication, but it also undermines confidence in the field across the entire database. Where does that leave us. We definitely do not set the date to the first printing. The help section is clear. If we can find a recognized secondary source, partial or full, we use that. Without such, we are forced to use 'unknown'. I know you find this distasteful. If further information surfaces, the record can be edited. I remember an extensive discussion regarding implementation of sort field(s). Hopefully this can be done at some point. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:09, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Okay! Would you please approve of the submissions and either let me correct the dating (or, if you prefer correct it)? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:14, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Approved, I'll approve the date changes as soon as they hit the queue. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:23, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Thanks! Submitted. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:29, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: I thought we were going with 'unknown'. Maybe I'm missing something, how do we know the subsequent printings were released in 2012? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:48, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::::::: Approved. I went brain dead for a minute. Ignore the previous sentance. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:05, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::: Will you commit to correcting all the publications where you have used an arbitrary date and abandoning this practice? If so, I will support your request. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:01, 25 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan, #3186: Alraska ==<br />
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Christian, I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5416182 this submission]. In light of your note, I think crediting 'Swen Papenbrock (in error)' and then varianting to 'Arndt Drechsler' would be more accurate. What do you think? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:46, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Yes, that would be even better. I'll cancel and resubmit. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:17, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: I saw [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5423803 this edit]. Did you decide not to change the cover art credit as suggested or did you want me to do it? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:06, 25 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Blanking spammers' Talk pages ==<br />
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I appreciate what you are trying to do with spammers' Talk pages, but it makes it more time-consuming for moderators to get to the original text, confirm that it's spam, delete the page and block the spammer. Please don't do it going forward. Thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:13, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Okay, just thought that sometimes the text may be not recognized and gets a base in our wiki. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 02:10, 17 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Kiepenheuer & Witsch ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Saying "Now located in" is not a very useful thing - what happens 3 years down the road when they had moved but noone updated the entry? Not everyone knows to look at the History and try to figure out when that was valid (and not-logged people cannot even look at that). Instead use something like "As of September 2022" or whatever date you know they were there - that way even if they move, the entry is still correct. :) I fixed it [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?6131 here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:04, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Okay, that's even better, though this is one of the publishers I keep an eye on: any change of place will be noted. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 15:07, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Notes (again) ==<br />
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Hello again, <br />
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I assume that for edits such as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5426681 this one], you are planning to import the newly created parents into a book somewhere OR add notes into the originals which were not imported (for a date provenance). That should have been in the moderator notes (or even in the proper notes on the original) so that someone looking at the title before they get imported/noted, can trace why they have these dates... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:58, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Elephant ==<br />
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I approved [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5426761 this one] too fast so I deleted it. The author name for this book is not Sławomir Mrożek but Slawomir Mrozek (unlike the accented characters, these two names actually can coexist on the server so these are two separate names in the DB). I deleted the book so you need to redo that one - but with the correct name for the author and all his stories. And yes, it is a pain with the Polish authors who have ł and ż and their names but we catalog based on the books, not based on how we wish the English publishing industry had printed the name, right? :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:12, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: And while I am around - we have an <nowiki>{{incomplete}}</nowiki> template for cases where you want to say "More contents to be added!". I replaced it [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?916136 here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:15, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: I do think we actually don't know what version of name is stated on the title page, OCLC and the cover point towards Slawomir Mrozek, the reprint towards Sławomir Mrożek. But maybe it is better to wait for someone to take actually a look into the publication: it would be somewhat too tedious to enter all the titles possibly in vain. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 15:32, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Let me add that this addition was initialized by the SFE3 entry, which notes no distinction; do you think that this source may not be dependaple in that regard? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:11, 25 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: Unless you have a source contradicting the cover, I’d use what is on the cover for these and note that in the notes. Older English books are notorious for dropping any non-standard characters and I highly doubt that they used a different versions on the cover and on the title page. Online sources tend to overlook these and consider the age of the books as an explanation - we record as used on the book. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:19, 25 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Unintentional deletion ==<br />
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Hello Christian! I have completely unintentionally deleted a comment for your request. I was not familiar with this "rollback" and I did not know what it evokes. Fortunately Ahasuerus noticed it and corrected it. So please accept my apology. [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] ([[User talk:Rudam|talk]]) 11:36, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Sure, no problem! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 15:32, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Zyklus series and Series with Duplicate Numbers ==<br />
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Hello Christian, <br />
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Quite a lot of the Zyklus series had acquired repeated numbers based on your updates in the last months. The DB is not designed for that so we have a report to look for these so they can be corrected. Can you please look at the report [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?17 here] and clear these? If you would like to propose a change in the rules/conventions/practices which will allow these to stand as they are, please head to R&S and so on :) If you cannot see the report, let me know and I will post the list here. Thanks in advance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:09, 26 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Annie, can you please give an example, because 'Only moderators can access the specified cleanup report'? I do suspect that titles like 'Perry Rhodan (1. Aufl.) - 1984' as by uncredited are meant, which appears six times, each time varianted to a different parent title (!?) Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:33, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Looking more closely, it's more likely that titles like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1800838 Vorstoß nach Arkon] vs. the same-numbered (and in this case same-titled) [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1463714 Vorstoß nach Arkon] cause the problem (!?)<br />
:: It is the latter case - two titles with the same number in the same series. This is not a common scenario - the only other case we have that in the DB is a short story/interior art mixed series and I already pinged the editor who worked on it about it. And as usual, if this is not used that way in the DB, there may be underlying software issues when it is done (and having two separate different texts makes the series impossible to order properly. <br />
:: I wondered if the report is moderator only. Here is the complete list (series first, number that is repeated second, ignore the leading number (it is the report line):<br />
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231 PR Zyklus 18: Chronofossilien — Vironauten 1271.1<br />
232 PR Zyklus 18: Chronofossilien — Vironauten 1216.1<br />
233 PR Zyklus 15: Die Kosmischen Burgen 938.1<br />
234 PR Zyklus 16: Die Kosmische Hanse 1053.1<br />
235 PR Zyklus 5: Die Meister der Insel 214.1<br />
236 PR Zyklus 5: Die Meister der Insel 224.9<br />
237 PR Zyklus 4: Das Zweite Imperium 184.1<br />
238 PR Zyklus 4: Das Zweite Imperium 189.1<br />
239 PR Zyklus 4: Das Zweite Imperium 167.1<br />
240 PR Zyklus 4: Das Zweite Imperium 199.1<br />
241 PR Zyklus 3: Die Posbis 111.1<br />
242 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 77.1<br />
243 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 92.1<br />
244 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 56.1<br />
245 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 71.1<br />
246 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 69.1<br />
247 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 84.1<br />
248 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 86.1<br />
249 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 6.1<br />
250 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 11.1<br />
251 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 19.1<br />
252 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 30.1<br />
253 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 39.1<br />
254 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 8.1<br />
255 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 26.1<br />
256 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 2.1<br />
257 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 33.1<br />
258 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 4.1<br />
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:: Because they are all .1 I wonder if you were trying to do something somewhat creative but dumping them at the same number is not a good idea IMO. sorry for the formatting - these read better in edit mode - on my phone and formatting is hard from it. Any help you can provide clearing these will be very welcome :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 02:14, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Well, for the doubled numbers (like the above #39.1 'Vorstoß nach Arkon'): these titles all end at the same point in the respective internal chronology, they only were adapted in different ways. That's why I took to this solution. Christan [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:12, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::: But the DB is not really designed to allow that, neither is that a practice we use and this is not the only series with books running in parallel… so they need to get untangled and get different numbers. Using the publication order to order them inside of the decimals is the usual solution with notes that the stories take place at the same time. Plus you may know why you did that but no one else looking at the series would know. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:49, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::::: Okay! On re-thinking this issue most of the titles will have the respective ending of the final novella anyway (for 39.1 the ending of 39), though some will have some changed or added ending. The idea was just to sort out the original novellas from their adaptations. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:04, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::::: A subseries or set of a them maybe? We have a few other series where the original books were reworked/changed enough to require new title records and in these cases we make a subseries, add notes in the main series and in the subseries explaining the relationship (when known) and whatever number schemes there are. That way the series are also a lot more readable on the screen. Just throwing another idea your way while you are thinking on the best way to organize these. In all cases, write some notes on the series level explaining the special numbering - you know why you wanted to split them and why they belong where they belong, someone finding our records from internet who is not well versed at the Zyklus practices will get lost. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:46, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: I've thought about that, too. But since some the novellas were just translated, and the same ones were incorporated into fix-ups this would also lead to a (greater) mess. <br />
::::::: And for the French titles: they would then end up in different series (first they presented translations of the novellas, organized either in anthologies or collections; then changed to translations of the fix-ups). <br />
::::::: With more than 3,000 original novellas published so far in an ongoing chronology that was and is augmented with many additional tales, anyone hoping for readability or a fast grasping will be lost anyway, I think. But I'll add an explanatory note to the series; thanks for the idea. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:30, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::::::: Series in ISFDB are flat so sometimes you need to make compromises and take into account how they are implemented and how they look on a screen when someone looks at them. This would be solvable a lot easier if a book can belong to two or more series :) As they cannot, we do the best we can with what we have. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:35, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Hochzeit in Atomweiler [8] ==<br />
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Can you please add an author and a language to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3085505 this poor title]? No idea how you managed to leave it with no author but it somehow happened. I suspect it is Daniel Mróz but as you are around and it is a verified book, I prefer to check. :) It probably also need a page number (or alternatively it needs ejecting from the publication and deletion). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:17, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Must have been a systems hiccup since titles with no author are not allowed when submitting (and I'm sure I also added the page). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:42, 29 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: It's ''very'' ominous that there's no record of my latest update when I added the additional pieces of art last week in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?410909 the pub. edit history]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:49, 29 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Actually, that missing submission in the history explains what happened: the submission errored out midway through its run: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5432749 submission]. It happens occasionally (rarely but happens) and yes, that would produce a weird result. Check anything after that image though - as it seems it errored on it, anything after that may not have made it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 02:01, 29 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Der Botschafter ==<br />
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What is the source for the date of the parent [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5425727 here]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:24, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: A note on first publications in "Zabawa: Satire in lustloser Zeit". Sorry that the Polish chapbook was dated erroneously to 1981: there's no publication of it to be found at WordCat. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:49, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Approved and note added. Please make sure that ALL titles which have no publications attached confirming the date (and are not parents existing just to move the title to the canonical author) have notes explaining their dates' (and if needed - their titles') provenance. You already did the research if you are setting the date, just document it. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:01, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Self-approver flag set on the account ==<br />
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As per the outcome of the [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Applying_for_self-moderating Community Portal discussion], the self-approver flag has been set on your account. Please use it wisely :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:05, 29 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Will do. And more careful than before, too! Chrstian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 02:10, 30 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== I Am Alive and You Are Dead ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/iamaliveyouarede0000carr; Recently uploaded to Archive, notes here say date source unknown but it says the date on the copyright page, I added link and changed 01 to 00 in date, you may want to add info to notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:55, 11 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Zurück in die Steinzeit ==<br />
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The cover artist of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?491046 this] is not Boris Vallejo, but Tony Roberts, see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?276629 Survivor]. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] ([[User talk:Horzel|talk]]) 17:48, 12 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks! I ''was'' in doubt that Vallejo was the artist: there was no original English parent to be found. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:58, 15 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Cartoon: Rüsselmops, der Außerirdische (Perry Rhodan Report Nr. 198) ==<br />
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Please see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5443067 this edit] which impacts your verified pubs. Are these the same? Or should the second one actually be a different number? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:54, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Please reject, the later one should in fact bear the number of Report #199. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:10, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Rejected. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:38, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Ping-Pong mutations ==<br />
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Please stop [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?289 f#@$%ing around] or I'll make a request to revoke your self-approval rights. This is my last and final warning, I have clearly explained why you can't have it your way.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] ([[User talk:Dirk P Broer|talk]]) 16:24, 6 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: I don't know if you're aware of this, but since 2020 someone's uploaded many of these books, https://archive.org/search.php?query=scheer+darlton&sort=-addeddate, including the 1 in question, which I've added a link to in a pending edit. If I may give you some advice, after that lengthy argument recently about the page count of some old M.Z. Bradley work, Falcons of ?, and now this, there are clearly several people here who have a long-standing grudge against you, and after having several strikes already they would love to prevent you from ever being a self-moderator again. There are countless things to be done here, even after more than 15 years of regular folks being allowed to edit (as my 37,000 edits in less than 2 years can attest to), so if somebody says something should be a certain way, just let it go and move on to something else. The alternative is losing your self-mod status and having to wait endlessly for a mod to get around to approving your edits, which has been getting much worse lately. Believe me, you don't want that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:12, 6 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Please do make a request, Dirk, if you think it's up to a moderator's qualification to change verified publications without requesting (or even an information of) the verifier; this is quite below our standard, and you seem have taken to this habit lately. If you'd have asked, you would have been informed that the definition as CHAPBOOK is perfectly okay in light of [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive48#New_cleanup_report_-_Cleanup_report_to_find_CHAPBOOKs_with_multiple_fiction_titles this discussion]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:45, 7 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::: Okay, posted the problems you have at the moderator noticeboard. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:23, 8 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: @Username: these additions/transformations were done in joined accordance, see [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Linguist#French_Perry_Rhodan here] and the contemporary discussions: initially, the volumes were entered as novels, whereas they (from a certain point in time on and up to #199 of the French incarnation) contained translations of the original novellas, and thus need to be transformed accordingly. (This is one of the many things to do you mention). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:20, 8 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Posting and the Watchlists and histories ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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A small request: when editing your posts, please leave the title of the post in the "Summary:" field under the post. Look at [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard&curid=9221&action=history this history]. See how ALL updates (minor or not) but yours have the post name in front of them? When you delete that part when you are writing your own summary in that field, someone needs to go through comparisons to see what post you had edited and chase down the change making working through the board with multiple changes almost impossible to deal with (and almost ensuring that your edits may be lost if there are a lot of traffic - if someone does not have a reason to, they won't reread a post they do not realize has a new/changed message. So can you please leave the title of the post in the summary at all times? Thanks! 13:44, 9 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Okay, will do so in the future. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 02:51, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Mitkey Astromouse ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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If [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1562 this] is an adaptation for young readers, then it is not the same story and needs to be unvarianted and to be left on its own and connected only via the notes. We connect translations, we do not connect adaptations which change the story drastically. Let me know if your note is incorrect thus making it a proper variant. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:46, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: I'd say the adaptational part is only in the use of a somewhat less 'strong' language (more fit for children), and the story itself is represented completely. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:48, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::: Then it cannot be juvenile if the original is not. If if is adapted for children, it cannot be a variant. If it is a translation, it cannot be juvenile. You decide based on the text. If it is specifically adapted for children, I would never call it a variant personally. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 02:04, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:::: I haven't been aware that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5377091 an editor] changed it to juvenile, I'll change it back. <br />
:::: On translations vs. variant titles: there do exist translations that change the meaning of sentences, chapters or whole works into something different than the author had written. In this case I'd think there's not enough to validate a not-varianting. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 02:18, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan, #209: Im Banne der Scheintöter ==<br />
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Both Dirk Geiling's titles [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?921625 here] should be Interior art I suspect? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:48, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Of course! Corrected, thanks for finding this! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:49, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Das Hexenschiff - dating issues again ==<br />
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Hello Christian, <br />
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Can you please explain where did you get [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5273339 this date] from? When the date of a title is different from its first publication we have on the list, we either need a note explaining the provenance of the date OR that very first edition to be added. Same question for its parent and the chapbook it is in. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:53, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: Same question for the dates [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?703780 here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:55, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: And [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title_history.cgi?3043856 Deadwood — Stadt der Särge], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3040487 Der Jetset-Dämon], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3008984 Die Grabräuber], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3016229 Die Kreuzweg-Legende], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3038691 Die Vampir-Polizei], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3029975 Drei Gräber bis Atlantis], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3000479 Dämonenfalle Rom], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3034865 Geisterdämmerung], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3040487 Der Jetset-Dämon] and all their associated titles (short stories, covers and chapbooks and the parents where they exist). Unless you are adding the older version of the book(s) immediately, writing notes when you change the dates are mandatory. Some of these had been changed in March and had been just sitting unsupported for 8 months... Can you please go and fix these? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:00, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: And I found more... Can you see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?275 this report]? If you can, please get all the titles where you got weird dates on and fix them - either add the missing edition or add notes on every title where the date does not match the publications we have. If you cannot see the report, I will be happy to pull a complete list (in addition to the ones already listed above). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:03, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: All these associated titles were published initially in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1533 this series] and should have been dated accordingly upon entering the respective later publications (which I didn't do). But for the sake of it, I'll work through the list. Thanks for bringing this up. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:44, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::: That’s great that you know where the dates come from but someone else finding them won’t know what they are looking at and if someone is working this report, they may not be nice enough to come ask you and instead will just reset the dates to what the publications show this losing your work and some of the data. As a basic rule, unless you are adding the first editions as well, each title needs notes explaining the date’s provenance. That’s not “good to have” - it is a “must have”. Thanks for working on them. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 02:02, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Stanislaw-Lem-Bibliographie ==<br />
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Hi Christian, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3097650 this title] appears on the cleanup report for 'Variant Title Dates Before Canonical Title Dates'. I.m.o. the earlier version should be the parent, not the variant. Was this on purpose? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 04:18, 16 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Yes. I did this because the later one was more complete (adding new and formerly missed out publications & titles), and also because Klaus Staemmler was involved in the later one (and he seems to have added much of his knowledge). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:48, 16 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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::Thanks. Ignored, and thus removed from the report. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 11:09, 16 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Can Such Things Be? ==<br />
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Hi. Please, if you have time, to approve [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5493926 this submission] (5493926). It's a lot of work. Many thanks. --[[User:Terraflorin|Florin]] ([[User talk:Terraflorin|talk]]) 02:20, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry! I only am a self-approver right now; I'll post your request at [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:JLaTondre#A_request_of_approval JLaTondre's talk page]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 08:42, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::Edit has been approved. Florin, please add the variants to the original works. As the original was not all speculative fiction, if you find any contents that do not belong, they should be removed and deleted. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:46, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: Only the fantastic stories were translated in this book. Once again, many thanks. --[[User:Terraflorin|Florin]] ([[User talk:Terraflorin|talk]]) 14:32, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== New Worlds 3 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23795; Archive.org copy, https://archive.org/details/newworlds00garn, is 223 pages, not 219, in case you can check your copy and change if needed. I added a link in an edit to their copy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:37, 29 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Prager Ghettosagen ==<br />
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Hello Christian, <br />
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When you have a chance, can you see if you can find more about [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?923958 this book] in German sources - cover, format (hardcover or paperback) and the actual year or an explanation of the discrepancy as the two sources have different values). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:38, 1 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Sorry, nothing really dependable to be found. A hardcover publication seems to be the most likely one, though, and the Czech source is displayed courtesy of Charles University in Prague, and is properly sourced, so 1896 seems to be the year. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:55, 1 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Yeah, I figured 1896 was the more likely and I lean towards hc as well but as I am not very well versed in German-language Prague books from the end of the 19th century, I figured I should come and ask to see if you can find something else. The Czech sources don't have much more (besides confirming the year actually). Thanks for checking! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:07, 1 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Einige werden überleben ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I've credited the cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?346875 Einige werden überleben] to Sanjulian and noted the original appearance, where it was identified as his work. Hubert [[User:Peregrin|Peregrin]] ([[User talk:Peregrin|talk]]) 11:52, 2 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Thank you! One more riddle of this sometimes improperly credited covers solved! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:01, 2 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== World Cup Anthologies ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/agonyecstasyneww0000unse; Excellent work on A Book of Two Halves. Royle edited another anthology about football (soccer); 1 story is on ISFDB, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2382281. Other genre authors are in the contents; judging by the intro it sounds like at least a couple of the stories are futuristic, although there's also some non-fiction in this one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:02, 19 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks! I'll see if I can get hold of a copy of that one. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:20, 19 December 2022 (EST)<br />
::It's on Archive.org at the link I provided. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:25, 19 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: I've seen that, but in this case I prefer to have a copy for reading (and hopefully enjoying). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:27, 19 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:::: You had an actual print copy of Two Halves already or you bought one? Also, the archived copy of Agony is missing title page and copyright page and I don't see anywhere online that shows them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:58, 19 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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::::: I bought one: the line-up of authors got me interested (and it seems that Nicholas Royle is even better as editor than as author). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:41, 20 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Treffpunkt Knossos ==<br />
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Please see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5514044 this submission] that impacts your verified pub. Should the change (Baranek to Beranek) be accepted? If so, the publication record also needs to be updated. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:58, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Yes, please: I'll update the pub. record accordingly. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:03, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== In Laurins Blick: Das Buch deutscher Phantasten ==<br />
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Christian, I added the contents to the existing hc record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?485933 here] and created the pb record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?929721 here]. If you have time, will you look up the original publication dates for any new titles. Clearly it can't be 1982 since many of the authors died long before. Thanks for the help. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:58, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:You're right, this is a reprint anthology; some of the titles enclosed may have attributed with new titles, though. But I'll see what I can find out. Thanks for the link, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:02, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Correction: the last three pieces (by Franke, Frischmuth & Ende) seem to be original to this antholgy. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:12, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Die Unterdrückten ==<br />
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Cover art credit for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?410907 this] is wrong. It isn't Alan Daniels but Tim WHite. I have had confirmation from Tim's daughter who stated "Yes it is one of Tim's" --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 15:03, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Thank you very much! That's good to know. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:28, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Philip K. Dick's Electric Dreams: Volume One ==<br />
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Hi Christian, I'm looking at this set of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2275857 titles]. You and I are the only verifiers extant - [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?639476 yours here] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?930999 mine here]. For mine, I've entered the book title (as on the title page), and all the introductions as they appear at the head of each essay.<br />
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Could you check yours to see if yours are the same?<br />
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I've put a call for info on the [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Philip_K._Dick.27s_Electric_Dreams%3A_Volume_One_-_info_wanted Help Desk] in case anyone has a copy of the unverified pubs. That said, and if no further information is forthcoming, would you as a Moderator have any objections to me changing the titling on the unverified pubs?<br />
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If you agree that that is all correct, I'll make all the changes necessary and post you the results back here. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:10, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Yes, please proceed. You don't have to post the results, though, I'll take a look when the publicazion has been changed. Thanks in advance, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:41, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for that :) I'll wait a bit to see if there're any responses on the Help desk. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:47, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Nova, #31 ==<br />
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Hello Christian, in {{P|877392|this pub}} the page count doesn't fit.<br />
* The last numbered page is p. 326 -> ok<br />
* followed by a page with an uncredited photo portrait of Helmut Wenske -> p. 327<br />
* one page with a small ad for the publisher -> p. 328<br />
* the inside backcover featuring an ad -> p. 329 or not counted<br />
* page 331 (the inside back cover) -> it should p. 329 or not counted<br />
* Total page count 332 -> I think p. 328 without covers and inside covers<br />
Please take a look. Many thanks [[User:Henna|Henna]] ([[User talk:Henna|talk]]) 15:33, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: Chiming in with the relevant help page: Magazines page rules are different. :) You count ALL pages PLUS the 4 covers - so if the magazine has 328 pages without the covers, it is recorded as 332. See [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Pages the help page]: "For magazines, the rule is to use the actual page count - including the cover. For example, early issues of Fantastic Universe numbered the interior pages from 1 to 192, not counting the front or back covers. This would be entered into the ISFDB record as "196"." [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:47, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Hello Annie and Christian, strange rules. Good Night. [[User:Henna|Henna]] ([[User talk:Henna|talk]]) 18:37, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== German Science Fiction Times Nr. 118/19 ==<br />
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Hi Christian, I have managed to get my hands on the Feb/March edition and on p. 39 it states that (a) with the beginning of February 1971 Moewig has changed its day of publication from Wednesday to Friday and (b) that Perry Rhodan Nr. 500 would be published on 26 March 1971.<br />
This means that our theory of the 'missing week' occurring in 1972 is wrong. Instead Moewig must have changed its day of publication ''at least'' twice, i.e from Friday to Wednesday sometime in the late 1960s and the back to Friday in 1971. Actually this is very similar to what Pabel-Moewig did in December 2003, when the day switched from Tuesday (PR 2206 / 2 Dec 2003) to Friday (PR 2207 / 5 dec 2003).<br />
I am still looking for older editions of SFT to pinpoint the first change.<br />
What to do: My suggestion is that we <br />
* change the dates starting Feb 1971<br />
* this places PR 493 / TN 163 on 5 February<br />
* The preceding numbers, i.e. PR492 / TN 162 would be moved from Friday, 5 February to Wednesday, 3 February with corresponding notes.<br />
Do you concur? Anybody else that we should involve before going ahead?<br />
Best, John [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] ([[User talk:JLochhas|talk]]) 05:13, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Yes, that sounds absolutely reasonable. I don't know of anybody else as PV for this period of time (1971-1973). Let's go ahead. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 05:23, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::You must now be swamped with changes... It's done, please do me a favour cross-check the series' notes - just in case I got lost in detail. Many thanks! Best, John [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] ([[User talk:JLochhas|talk]]) 03:34, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Thank '''you''' for doing this load of work, John! Will take a look into the notes, but on first glanve it looks well done. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:10, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Clive Barker Image ==<br />
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Hi Christian -<br />
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Could you please take a look at [[ISFDB:Community Portal#Clive Barker Author Photo|this discussion]. There has been a third edit to change the author image and I think we need to reach a consensus rather than continue to churn the image. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:27, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Glukhovsky - Metro — Die Trilogie ==<br />
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Hi Christian, there's no PV for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?747217 this pub] but you have edited it previously. There's a missing length for 'Das Ende der Straße'. Could you sort it please. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:52, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I'm not entirely sure if it's a novelette or a novella, but the first is more likely, so I'll change it accordingly and insert a cautionary note. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:01, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for doing that. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 11:06, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Valentine ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?25420; I just did a bunch of edits for books from that publisher, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5583283, ...5583285, ...5583289, and ...5583290, which should be approved sometime soon, and I suggest that the publisher should be changed to Fragments West / The Valentine Press like it says in the books (or at least the ones I saw). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:19, 15 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: No problem with that. I'll do the change for the publication I have a copy of. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:37, 15 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Tinted edges in PR pubs ==<br />
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Hello Christian. I have just verified {{P|872615|this pub}}, and noticed the tinted edges. Have you ever come across others like it ? Thanks, [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] ([[User talk:Linguist|talk]]) 10:54, 16 February 2023 (EST).<br />
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: Yes, a few have those. Shall I note that for the ones I verify/-ied? Maybe it was done for a certain period of time, I'll take a look. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:06, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: For now it does seem that this may have been a feature of this bunch of publications, #s 13-24 (though #29 may also count: either its edges were bleached by time or tinted with a very light yellow). I only have a few of those and will add more to the publications next week. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:51, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::OK, thanks. I noted it because from my point of view, it is rather exceptional in Fleuve Noir publications (but rather common in early Livre de Poche, for instance). [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] ([[User talk:Linguist|talk]]) 04:14, 17 February 2023 (EST).<br />
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== Queen of the Country Problem ==<br />
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I need a favor. This was rejected, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5583237, and there is absolutely no way that I'm entering all that info again. Prime Books has been one of the most vexing publishers I've done edits for, and in this case the copy of Goldberg's posthumous collection on Archive.org which I entered 2 years ago, when I didn't know very well what I was doing, was come across again recently by me and the above edit was made. I think I've done all I can do with this book, but the WorldCat verification by you seems to point to this, https://books.google.com/books?id=fkTx3mYODQAC, which looks the same on the back cover but has a different ISBN for God only knows what reason. There's some confusion with one of these ISBN linking up with a P.K. Dick book or something and I don't know what to say about that, but I think Prime just messed up as usual. So can you enter a new record cloning this book, entering the different ISBN, and moving your verification over to that so this mod can un-reject my edit? Thanks in advance. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:08, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I think your submission was rejected because of the change of the ISBN, right? This ISBN ''does'' fit the entry at WorldCat ''and'' it leads you to the Goldberg book at Amazon; whereas the other ISBN is connected to a PKD collection at WorldCat. Is the latter one stated anywhere in the Goldberg book? (But even if so, the other one likely has to be also in there, I think). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:22, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::The scan on Archive.org has the ISBN-13 on its copyright page that's in my rejected edit while its back cover barcode has an ISBN-10, 0-8095-5636-7, and the ISBN-13 below that. Confusion sets in because as can be seen in my edit the scan URL is for a P.K. Dick book. I can only surmise that they issued a new printing with the correct ISBN because the scan on Google Books has a higher number, ISBN-10 978-0-8095-7308-0 on its copyright page and ISBN-13 0-8095-7308-3 on its back cover with the ISBN-13 below that. So I think the edition I entered is the first and WorldCat ISBN is second, so a new record needs creating for the second and ID moved so my edit can be un-rejected. In a weird coincidence, I was looking at the old Eternity Online site at pulpeternity.com for story links I could add to ISFDB and while it was mostly fruitless because they either only gave extracts from stories they published in their print magazine or broke full stories up into parts, some of which are dead making adding the links pointless, right there amid all that mess was a story from 1998 by Goldberg, "One More Vietnam Story", which was reprinted in Queen of the Country as "Another Vietnam Story" and supposedly original even though it was published nearly 10 years earlier. Have I ever mentioned how much I dislike Prime Books? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:57, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Yes, I tend toward appreciating that I don't own any of their books (hope so). But for the problem we face: I think it's best to assume there is a later edition with the ISBN documented at WorldCat (at least, it only states the copyright year of 2008), and to set this edition to 'unknown'. What do you think? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:38, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::: I agree. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:30, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::: Okay, done. I think I also have put in the changes & additions you submitted. Before you clone this: may it be worth a thought that the issuing with the other ISBN occurred after the 'right' one? (After all, the PKD collection seems to have been published only in the following year, 2009). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 02:00, 18 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::This isn't what I asked you to do. My edit shouldn't have been rejected by the mod in the first place, they should have asked on my message board why I changed the ISBN and I would have explained as I did above here, and then you were supposed to clone it and move your WorldCat ID over to that and enter the ISBN as it is on WorldCat and the copy on Google Books. What you did here is add the alternate ISBN to the existing record. I give up. You guys take care of it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:21, 18 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::: It's debatable if your submission should have been rejected: at least it countered the existing OCLC and the Amazon entries. And I did just what we agreed upon above. There really seem to exist at least two editions (or printings), each of them with a different ISBN. One of the remaining questions is: which of them came first? Since there doesn't seem to be an answer right now: maybe it'd be best to set both of them to 'unknown'. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 08:29, 18 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::::No, because I asked you above, "So can you enter a new record cloning this book"; you didn't clone it and move over your ID and ISBN, you just added "date unknown" to the existing record that I created a few years ago, it doesn't make sense to clone that because the edition on Google/WorldCat is likely the later one; I see now that you also changed the cover artist and added a dash to her name, which is wrong because there's no dash in her name on the back cover of the Archive.org copy or the Google copy; it should have been made a variant. This book was confusing enough to work on, now everything here is confused and I really don't feel like doing anything else with it so you and the mod and whoever else can clean it up. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:52, 18 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::::::: If your submission would have been approved the ISBN would had to be reinstalled: there was a secondary verification for that specific ISBN; that is just plain ISFDB policy. If there does pop up another publication of a title with a different ISBN we do add a new publication record for it, according to our etiquette. The publication I added a secondary verification for is likely the later one, but that is not entirely sure: Amazon still gives a January 2008 date for it (but it's possible that this is erroneous). Alas, we seem to not have a date for the copy to be found at archive.org. That ain't nice, but seems to reflect our state of knowledge. If you can come up with hard facts about the dates or the chronological order of the publications: that would be appreciated. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 15:28, 18 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Unintended link ==<br />
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Christian, <br />
Consider disabling the template [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Stonecreek/Archive1#Photo_of_Kir_Bulychev here], it's linking your archive page to [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Author_images here], [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Fair_use_images here] and [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Category:Photographer:Philip_Smith_Images&action=edit&redlink=1 here]. I happened to be looking at Category:Author images and noticed it. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:55, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Hi! Thanks for the hint. I think I have worked upon the disconnection. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:14, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Submissions still pending ==<br />
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Hi Stonecreek,<br />
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I have made 2 submissions on January 27: 5560464 and 5560612. I got a welcome message from MagicUnk on February 13, but because my submissions are still pending, I have asked him, how long it could take until it's approved (or rejected). He told me that he is not able to make these approvals due to not enough knowledge about the Perry Rhodan and Atlan series. He told me also that there are already entries, albeit with a different date. It's because there were different editions. In the case of Atlan 154 it's the second editon and in the case of Perry Rhodan 215 it's the fourth edition, which are still missing in ISFDB.<br />
He gave me the advice to contact you. So, here I am. These submissions are important for me, because they contain some of my old works. And I want to use (the complete) bibliography as a reference for a possible new publication.<br />
So, I hope you can help me. If there should be anything wrong with my submission, please tell me.<br />
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[[User:Pinudeycos|Pinudeycos]] ([[User talk:Pinudeycos|talk]]) 07:57, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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: If it would be okay that the dates, credits, notes and contents might be adjusted to the existing overall scheme (like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2793526 here] for the 1981 publications of Atlan (2. Aufl.)), I see no problem of approving them: I'll ping MagicUnk. <br />
: Thanks for contributing! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:57, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Thank you very much! [[User:Pinudeycos|Pinudeycos]] ([[User talk:Pinudeycos|talk]]) 11:10, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::My submissions are online now. I really appreciate your quick help! Keep continuing this great work with ISFDB. [[User:Pinudeycos|Pinudeycos]] ([[User talk:Pinudeycos|talk]]) 18:13, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: Thanks for the kind words, and if there's anything you think should be added to our little database, please contribute and/or ask for help with adding. Also, please let me know when the republication of your works comes into the hot stage. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:20, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Plan D ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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When adding Bulgarian books from German and/or English sources which do not show Cyrillic letters, please keep in mind that Bulgarian uses the Cyrillic alphabet exclusively. With a few notable exceptions, that includes the author name, the publisher name and the title itself. If you cannot find the information as it is shown on a title page/cover or cannot work in the alphabet, please either leave a note on my page so I can clean up the record after you add it or just leave me a note so I can add the book and I will be happy to assist. Even checking Goodreads would have given you the correct title for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?941740 this book] although a local source is always preferred. I will be happy to assist with any other European languages where you cannot get the correct spelling of titles/authors/publishers as well. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:31, 18 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Unfortunately, Annie is right: it's hard to get the spelling and other subtleties like inflections right when working with languages -- and especially alphabets/scripts -- that you are not familiar with. I have entered a lot of English translations of Japanese "light novels" as well as their Japanese language parent titles (mostly using Amazon JP), but my attempts to create publication records for Japanese pubs have been less than successful. Luckily, we have editors who are familiar with Japanese, Bulgarian, Russian and a number of other languages. Please don't hesitate to ask for help when you come across them. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:31, 18 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Okay. I thought that when OCLC uses the Latin alphabet this would ensure that the book was published using that. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:47, 19 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: OCLC/Worldcat get their data from member libraries. Different libraries have used different data entry standards over the years, just like we have used different data entry standards. The result is that OCLC's data can be messy, especially for languages which do not use Latin characters. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:08, 19 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Boken om Pippi Långstrump ==<br />
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We have the parent collection of three Pippi novellas as 2015 ''Boken om Pippi Långstrump'' T{{t|2937288}} with your title note "There may (quite likely) have been earlier editions". Does this parent COLLECTION represent a 2015 Swedish-language publication that you identified but chose not to add to the database? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:39, 24 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: That's right. I found at Amazon only a 2015 publication but do strongly assume that there was a previous one in Swedish (and I personally would like to enter that first). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 14:42, 24 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: British Library record BL 002174012 reports 232-page Rabén & Sjögren 1952.<br />
:: I don't find that edition at WorldCat[*]; only these two as earlier than 2015:<br />
:: [https://worldcat.org/title/255600782 OCLC 255600782] as 1969 4th ed? <br />
:: [https://worldcat.org/title/728651122 OCLC 728651122] as 1982, series Från Pippi till Ronja ... which must be [https://libris.kb.se/bib/7235299 SE LIBRIS 7235299].<br />
:: * WorldCat search ti:"Boken om Pippi" ; sort by Title A-Z<br />
:: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:26, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Would you think that the British Library record is trustworthy enough to date the title to 1952? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 16:26, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: I see now that KB.se is the national library of Sweden. I will trust that.<br />
:::: [https://libris.kb.se/hitlist?f=simp&q=%22Boken+om+Pippi+L%c3%a5ngstrump%22&r=&m=10&s=rc&t=&d=libris&p=3 search LIBRIS.kb.se]: shows editions 1 to 4 illustrated by Ingrid Vang Nyman 1952, 1962, 1966, 1969 (232, 232, 240, 240 pages) and "5., omarb. uppl." 1978, 246 pp, "Vang-Nyman". There I stop.<br />
:::: Now I redate the parent COLLECTION as 1952. No SV publications, which I leave to you. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:17, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::: Thank you. It will take a little bit of time to catch up with those Swedish publications, though: other projects demand quite a bit of work. But I will eventually get to them. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:04, 1 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Series title - Introductions, afterwords and notes for Isaac Asimov’s own work ==<br />
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Hello Christian, as I'll be adding to the series, I'm of the opinion that this title is too long, overly prescriptive and intrusive at pub level. In keeping with other essay series (for instance "Asimov's Essays: F&SF", "Letters: Isaac Asimov"), I propose changing it to "Asimov's Essays: own work". This would also suggest a subsequent series title "Asimov's Essays: other's work". If you're in agreement, could you process [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5646611 this submission] or hold it if not. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:41, 26 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I have no problem with this change. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:20, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Can we use proper capitalization for series names please? :) I've fixed this one when I approved it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:01, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Will do :) Thanks for fixing that Annie. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 17:14, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Inge Holm ==<br />
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Hello Christian!<br />
:Can you look on this submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5636802].It seems that you had made this specific record at that time. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] ([[User talk:Rudam|talk]]) 13:09, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Sorry, Rudolf, can't look into the submission. Can you tell what's the intended change? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:57, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: As I am around and not sure Rudolf is still around: No change, just a note "Inge Holm and Inge Heym are not identical. Inge Holm is Inge Holm and the wife of author Malte Heim. She is younger than Malte Heim, who was born in 1940." [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:21, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: I'm still sceptical without a note on the source for this. If you take a look at the Wikipedia entry: it states that Inge Heym was born as Inge Holm, and it seems to be a bit of a coincidence that Inge Heim (as Malte Heim's wife) also would have an alternate name of Inge Holm. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 15:11, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: On the other hand, it seems possible that such things happen, somehow that also depends on who supplied the information. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:54, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::Hello Christian!<br />
::::::1. Sorry, but I didn't know you couldn't open the link.<br />
::::::2. In the Wiki entry of Inge Heym is no hint to detect, that she is involved with SF.<br />
::::::3. All ISFDB entries of Inge Holm have the copyright for Inge Holm.<br />
::::::4. FYI the submitter is Ronald Hahn! Maybe he is right with his statement. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] ([[User talk:Rudam|talk]]) 09:53, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: Ad 2): Right, there's no hint for her, but Inge Heym's husband [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?5661 Stefan Heym] did write some titles of sf interest around the same time when Inge Holm was active in the scene.<br />
::::::: Ad 4): Anyway, I'd trust Ronald M. Hahn anytime: he likely knows most German language people active in the 1970s & 1980s in person, and is as author of dependable reference works trustworthy. <br />
::::::: Thus, I adapted the author entry accordingly: if there's anything to add, please do so. Thanks for the informational update! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 15:51, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::::I look exactly like that and have therefore approved the submission. Thanks for the modification. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] ([[User talk:Rudam|talk]]) 05:07, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Accents ==<br />
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It doesn't seem to be necessary to transliterate names or titles with a single accent as á, é, ó, ú or à, è, ò, ù because the search function will find the elements even if they are spelled as a, e, o , u. Try "Rebelion en la galaxia". --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 01:30, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Well, it should, I do think. Transliteration was thought of for "non-Latin alphabet/script", and the Latin alphabet doesn't know of accents. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 02:10, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::If I may step in... try "Was machen wir bloß mit Ragland Park?". An interesting point you've raised Zapp. I wonder what the search function's full capabilities are, there's nothing much in the help that I can find. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:58, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Ahah, there's this [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#How_does_the_ISFDB_deal_with_Unicode_and_accented_characters.3F How does the ISFDB deal with Unicode and accented characters?]. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:16, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Well 'ß' is an unknown letter (except for German), the accents are something different, but both possibilties stand for non-Latin letters. (Though "Was machen wir bloß mit Ragland Park?" does work with the simple (not the advanced) search). Christian 07:55, 12 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: Just to chime in as one of the users in the non-Latin-based languages - the problem is not the search for bloß, the problem is that people who cannot produce ß should be able to type ss instead - and that won't be found unless we have a variant dropping the Eszett. Thus the requirement for the transliteration. The search can find any text that matches exactly - known letters or not. <br />
:::: The accents are slightly different. Technically, latin-1 (which is what we use) treats them as the same character as their main letter - that's why we cannot have the author name as variant with and without them for example - for the DB they are the same letter. As such, they really do not need transliteration. But they do not harm anything so I am not going to remove them if someone adds them. And they should not be used in directory entries (the directory name on the author page). Hope that clarifies things a bit. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:50, 12 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::As I've been submitting a lot of transliteration edits, could you clarify whether Latin Extended-A, Latin Extended-B or Latin Extended Additional characters should be transliterated? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 13:38, 12 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: I personally do think so: if a directory name needs to be transliterated, the author's name and the legal name should be so; and if those are transliterated it seems logical to apply the same to titles. (But if you don't want to go into this with accents, you don't need to).<br />
:::::: There are some more specialities: ø, ö, ä, ü, œ etc. etc. need to be transliterated, I think. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:46, 12 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::: ø, ö, ä, ü, œ and other critters like that should always be transliterated because if you cannot type them, you cannot find the book. With accented letters, as the search will find them anyway, it does not matter but it does not harm. The easiest way to decide? Search for the title without any of the accents in our standard search. If it can be found with no transliteration, you are good. If it cannot be found? We need a transliteration. Alternatively, let the cleanup reports regenerate on these and only add to the ones it complains about for the ones you are not sure about. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:54, 12 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== German Artist Martin H. ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=author_canonical&O_1=contains&TERM_1=martin+hof&C=AND&USE_2=author_language&O_2=exact&TERM_2=German&USE_3=author_canonical&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=author_canonical&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=author_canonical&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=author_canonical&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=author_canonical&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=author_canonical&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=author_canonical&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=author_canonical&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=author_canonical&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Author]; I suspect either they spelled his name differently or someone entered it differently here. Same artist? I think you're PV for all of them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:04, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I verified two of the three publications. But both names are oftenly used in German (not too far away from [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?156436 Andreas Müller]), and thus three possibilities are given: the three items are by one and the same, or they are by different people (and it is even possible that there are three different men involved). The thing to look up is if there's an address given, but I can't do that for the publication in the fanzine "Extravenös", you'll have to ask the PV for that. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 05:39, 14 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== [[User:Stoecker]]'s complaint ==<br />
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When you have a moment, please review [[User:Stoecker]]'s post on [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard]] and respond. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:51, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Gregg Mullen/Suvin Book ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5668492; I fixed first and second volumes and left Rkihara a message about that but I noticed you also PV the second one and the notes for it cut off mid-sentence, in case you were the writer and want to finish whatever they should say. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:03, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Artist attribution correction ==<br />
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I see that you [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5653417 fixed the spelling of Jaime Jones's name] on 2023-05-03 -- the original misspelling goes back to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5074969 this 2021-09-04 submission by Biomassbob], which was apparently propagated via ClonePub.<br />
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Please make sure to notify the primary verifier when changing the spelling of artist names since it's always possible that the name was mangled in the publication. In some cases particularly unusual names are misspelled by the publisher in over 20% of all pubs :-( [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:41, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I looked this up with the help of Amazon's Look Inside (and it is "Cover illustration by Jaime Jones" on the copyright page): things like this misspellings do happen when names or titles get typed, there just is a quota of errors. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:51, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Yes, I saw what Amazon's records states. However, please keep in mind that Amazon's cover images and Look Inside information can change over time. Major publishers supply Amazon with pre-publication files, which they later replace with final, corrected, files. Typically, Amazon replaces pre-publication files with post-publication files, but sometimes their data entry people make mistakes. Moreover, when publishers correct something in a subsequent printing, they usually send an updated file to Amazon, which then updates its cover scan and Look Inside data, thus erasing all traces of what the original printing looked like. (Amazon records used be more stable, but their policies have changed over the last decade.)<br />
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:: I maintain our English translations of Japanese "light novels" and I run into this issue quite often. Sometimes the US publisher changes the spelling of the author's Romanized name, e.g. "Necoco" to "Nekoko". Other times the publisher reverses the order of the first and the last name (the family name is given first in Japanese), and so on. Amazon typically overwrites the original version with the latest version, so I have to use other sources to determine what the first printing said.<br />
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:: This pervasive instability of online records is one of the reasons why the system of "primary verifications" was created in the mid/late-2000s and why it's important to state our sources in the Note field. Primary verifications are supposed to be stable and serve as our "gold standard" for verifiability. Please make sure that you notify primary verifiers when correcting their verified records. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:15, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Okay, I'll do that in the future. Thanks for the explanation. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:23, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Publication Authors That Are Not the Title Author ==<br />
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Can you please resolve the mismatch between the canonical title and the publication title authors in the following: So <br />
* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?507992 Enigmes du passé]<br />
* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?590647 L'invasion des invisibles]<br />
* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?856579 La flotte fantôme]<br />
They all originated because of you changing just one of the records when you added (French) to the names of K.-H. Scheer and Clark Darlton. Just as a note, it is never a good idea to change an author name on a title/pub and not to clean up the other one. :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:18, 25 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks for the hints to these: for these French Perry Rhodans there is always a whole bunch of things to do: adding the novellas & other missing contents & varianting them, adjusting the title type (typically for variant & parent), the month of publication & the notes, adding links, and also correcting the credits.<br />
: I'll try to avoid omissions like those pointed at above, but it might happen again occasionally: distractions do happen to pop up, even if one doesn't ask for them. ;-(<br />
:: Yep. I tend to open all that needs editing in separate tabs on a separate browser window so I do not miss/forget them when I go for large-scale changes. And then look over everything when I am done - especially when I am shifting authors and titles around. Much more likely to remember what I was doing at this point and finish it than a few weeks later when I spot it incomplete. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:39, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Monsterfrösche aus Atlantis ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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The number you added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2835927 here] is the same as the number of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2978778 this story]. Can you figure out which one is wrong and fix it? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:11, 25 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks, Annie. This one has slipped through under John's and mine's radar: because there were 50 novellas featuring the ghosthunter published before he got his own magazine, the number of 50 has to be added to the novellas published in the latter. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 05:44, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: That is why I don't even try to resolve these - I just point them to you or John (whoever edited the one that is weird) and let you figure out what happened. :) <br />
:: PS: I find it useful to add notes on the series level for this kind of shifting numbers - then someone coming into the series blind may be able to figure out what may have happened (and not undo all the work you had done because they think they know better). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:42, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Good idea, will do! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:14, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Robotspion ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5683407; 143 pages. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:18, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mother Was a Lovely Beast ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23009; Added LCCN, they say xiii in pages, Archive.org copy agrees, should xiv be changed to xiii? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:23, 24 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Sorry, can't judge on this as I'm on vacation and don't have access to the book right now. From here I'd judge that there should be an even number of Roman numbered pages. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:46, 27 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Midas ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?334458; https://fantlab.ru/images/editions/plus/big/389298_14; Photo includes a price. Is it not in your copy? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 01:39, 29 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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As I remember my copy there was no price printed on it. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:17, 30 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Herrscher über dreizehn Welten ==<br />
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Hi, I found a curious thing in Your pv pub [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?660650 here]. On the cover and in all external IDs the title is "Herrscher der 13 [dreizehn] Welten". Maybe there is a difference on title page? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 09:07, 2 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks for the hint. I'll look this up when I'm back home. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:08, 2 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== ßs transliteration ==<br />
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Hello Christian, could you tell me if Süßschwesterlein is transliterated as Suesschwesterlein or Suessschwesterlein. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:26, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure! ß is transliterated into the Latin double s, so it is the latter. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:56, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:05, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ganze Mensch ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=ganze-mensch+john&sort=-addeddate; I've been adding a lot of mostly English-language John Brunner books today and I came across this which is not English. You PV earlier edition so I thought you might like to enter this one which is from 1991, I think, with a much higher price (9.80?). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:14, 11 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Yes, thank you! I'll look up what I can find about the month of publication and then add it. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:19, 11 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Smith - Phönix ==<br />
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Hi Christian, looking at this {{T|1622215|title record}} I see it dated as 1970-00-00, but the 1970 translation (actually 1970-03-00) was titled Prometheus. Although they were both translated by Bergner, and are likely the same work, they have different titles. Perhaps yours should be a 1985-05-00 variant of Phoenix 1954-04-00 instead? Please check. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:17, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Also {{T|1364867|Tödliche Flaute}} - should this be 1984-07-00? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:39, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: The first should actually be dated to 1985, the second was correct: I edited both, correcting the first & adding a note to the second. Thanks for the hint! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:48, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Egan - Vergegenständlichungstour ==<br />
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Hello Christian, you've got a weird date {{T|1547773|here}} :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:34, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Well, it ''is'' intentional! (to order the anthologies edited by Jeschke). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:12, 17 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::I thought it was something like that - I just couldn't find it :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:57, 17 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Das Mädchen am Abhang ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5752209; I added FantLab link last December but didn't enter contents' # for some reason so I did today and noticed 1 story on ISFDB isn't on the contents page, in case you know why and want to remove it if necessary. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:51, 25 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Well, I don't own this publication, which is a selection of the short fiction pieces published in "Polaris 2". So, I'd guess you're right about the addition. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:02, 27 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== John Sinclair Editor ==<br />
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Hi Christian, you may be pleased to know that Britta Künkel quit working for Bastei Lübbe with the end of August - and as per Facebook she has been the JS editor all along and for something over ten years. [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] ([[User talk:JLochhas|talk]]) 13:08, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks, John! Good to know something like this. It'd be nice if Bastei Lübbe would be as informative as Pabel-Moewig: it'd make things so much easier for us. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:24, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Blache and Macdonald's Prophet - UK hc(s) ==<br />
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Hi, you added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?968665 this pub] just over a week ago. Thanks for catching a UK pub (and title) that I missed, but I've just made an update, as it turns out that this is an export edition, according to [https://blackwells.co.uk/bookshop/product/9781787334304 Blackwell's]. The "regular" UK hc is [https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/454038/prophet-by-blache-helen-macdonald-and-sin/9781787334298 9781787334298], which I will add in a second.<br />
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(I'm not sure what the point of an export HC is - I think I've only seen large-format tps, before, and I assumed that they did that because the slightly lower weight makes the shipping easier/cheaper?)<br />
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Weirdly, when I visit Amazon UK from a UK IP address, it only shows me the "regular" UK hc, not the pub you added. If I search on the latter's ISBN, it just shows me the other pubs. Strange...<br />
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In my experience, Blackwell's is quite good at listing UK export editions, but none of the other vendor or publisher sites reliably list them. If you do come across a UK pub that isn't already in the database, please let me know, if only so that I can scrape some data for any other formats like ebook or audios. Hopefully I am catching most of the pubs from UK genre imprints prior to publication, but I definitely miss a lot of the "literary" and children's/YA titles :-(<br />
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Thanks! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 16:09, 8 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Will do! Thinking about it, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?969131 here] is another book I added lately that may fall into the same category. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 16:19, 8 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks - that one wasn't on my radar at all, so I've start scraping info for it from the UK sites, and will start adding the other pubs. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 16:26, 8 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Eccentric Orbits: An Anthology of Scienc ==<br />
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Christian, what are you doing? I approved [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5764856 this submission] adding the new publication at 10:21:05. While I was creating the submission to correct errors and bring it in line with standards, you started editing the publication. Your first edit was at 10:29:23. Eight minutes after first approval. Imagine my surprise when I approved my submission at-12 10:40:15 and saw you hade made four edits. I now have to re review and then write my note to the submitter. I want an answer. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:53, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Well, the exact date was missing, and the spelling of the title was not to the regularity standards; also an image was missing. All this I added after waiting some minutes: I had the impression that you had left it for later and just wanted to help. Sorry if I interferred. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:00, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Not good enough, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:03, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?66690; First book, PV by Wendy Van Camp, has Dimentionfold as publisher, unlike others which have Dimensionfold. PV only has 1 message on their page so unlikely to get a response from her; probably a simple typing mistake that needs correcting. https://www.scribd.com/read/455301930/Eccentric-Orbits-Eccentric-Orbits-1. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:04, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Next time, I'll wait somewhat longer upon improving entries (and the entry was improved). It really was a erroneous impression I fell to; again: sorry for that. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:21, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Eclipse Series ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?20149; I added links to all 4 volumes in PENDING edits (#2 and #4 are OL-only no-borrow copies) and noticed that the subtitle for #1 was not added to its editions like it was for the others. Should it be added or should it be removed from the others since they all say the same thing and it's not a unique subtitle? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:27, 27 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks for finding this: the subtitle should be included & I'll do it. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:31, 27 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== R. D. Laing Epigraph ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I'm drawing your attention to {{T|3218827|this title}}. Translations may occur in all three publications given here if you'd like to check; {{T|1436214|Planet der Frauen}}. Btw, I've submitted date change 2010-11-11 to 1975-02-00, and modified the note. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:11, 8 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: In the earlier publications with Knaur / Droemer Knaur this piece only seemed to be a motto. I'll see if I can get hold of a copy of the 2000 publication and see if it's in any way extended for that later edition. Thanks for pointing towards this! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:02, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::The essay is only a short piece but I think it's a cut above the usual oblique references that authors include - and it gives a good grounding for the main novel. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:10, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Le roi au masque d'or et autres nouvelles ==<br />
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You found an OCLC entry for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?974996 this pub], but OCLC says it is in English, also the subtitle is. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 16:48, 16 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:That there's an erroneous language assigned with entries at OCLC does happen quite frequently. Usually (as with this publication) the reason is that the source library is in a different country than that the publictaion was issued in. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 05:06, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ring of Thoth ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?194121; I added 2 Archive.org links in a PENDING edit and noticed the alternate title doesn't have the colon. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:54, 16 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Das zerrissene Land ==<br />
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Recently got [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?345197 Das zerrissene Land] at a library sale, and I added some content to the already existing record. Could you check it out and see if I got it right, as you verified a later printing. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 02:41, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Looks good so far. I'll see if I can find some information on the month of publication and add it then. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:21, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Thanks. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 12:15, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I added OL ID in a PENDING edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:41, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Foundation #83 - Cover Art ==<br />
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You have PVd [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?451343 Foundation, #83 Autumn 2001]. Would you mind taking a look at [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:PeteYoung#Jon_Courtenay_Grimwood_.2F_Pashazade this discussion] and advising whether you have any objection to removing the coverart record from Foundation #83. Thanks. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:37, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: It's absolutely okay for me to remove the credit (in fact I just did so): the credit really was derived from the novel entry. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 08:49, 27 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Christian Steinbacher ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?283688; Is that you? If so, you may want to add your day of birth. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:08, 27 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Well, my point of view is that we are a db for fiction, and I tend to think we basically should keep detailed life dates for the authors of those works (and associated artists, of course). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:22, 27 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK. I came across this, https://www.stifterhaus.at/stichwoerter/christian-steinbacher, but it may not be you because the birth year is different. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:16, 27 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: No, this isn't me: some years ago, I got a book (a collection of poems) by this Austrian author as a tongue-in-cheek birthday present (but he is basically nongenre). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:50, 27 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Gedankennetz ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?648007; An archived link was uploaded last year so I added a link in a PENDING edit; I couldn't quite get a handle on the page count but I don't think it's 184 so can you check, https://archive.org/search?query=gedankennetz, and fix if needed? I also added cover artist Thomas Franke's photo from FantLab in another edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:11, 27 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:The page count is based on the publisher's web site (which is ususally reliable): the last page of the text may be unnumbered. <br />
:Thanks for the Franke image: so far, I couldn't find one. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:48, 27 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Katja Brandis ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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If you are bored, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?212388 Katja Brandis]'s page can use a German editor (we are missing a lot of [https://www.katja-brandis.de/alle-buecher/ books] and she seems to be getting translated so they keep popping up). I have it somewhere on my list to work through them but it will take awhile to get to her so figured I may as well ping you and see if you are interested. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:01, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: HA! No, I'm not really bored, but I'll look up (and add) some interesting books to the list, for example the missing second volume in the Woodwalkers series. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:08, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::: The first and the third need German editions as well :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:40, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::: I'm at it! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:43, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Quotation marks ==<br />
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Hi, I'm still unsure about the correct use of quotation marks in the ISFDB. The problem you see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1695 here]. Do quotation marks need to be standardized? Then » « changes to " " and the title »Es« must be corrected to "Es". Otherwise, if the book title must be entered exactly as indicated in the pub the title "Es" has to be adapted because all <br />
German editions use the » « quotes. [[User:Boskar|Boskar]] ([[User talk:Boskar|talk]]) 04:13, 18 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Hi! The [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:EditTitle help page] on entering titles gives the advice "Quotes can be entered either as single (') or double (") quotes. They are considered interchangeable typographical artifacts and no variant titles should be created for versions of the same story that use different types of quotes." So I guess in this case it should be the latter (") (I wouldn't want to use single quotes here). Hope that helps, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:20, 18 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Yes, this is very helpful! Thank you! I know this help page but searched for 'quotation' instead of 'quote', my fault! I will make sure that the »Es« title is adjusted to the rule. [[User:Boskar|Boskar]] ([[User talk:Boskar|talk]]) 05:42, 19 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Islanders ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?358496; https://archive.org/search?query=9780575078192; I was correcting 9 instances of the word "paperback" being misspelled in notes and this one has something else that may need looking at; archived copy's back cover has US sticker overlaying original UK info and since it's an export, as you noted, shouldn't it have US price entered? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:01, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Well, it ''is'' only a sticker, and the original UK price is visible with that archive.org copy. If I remember correctly, I obtained my copy in a German bookshop that used to have a BIG English language section. So 'export edition' seems to stand for export into (at least) quite a handful of countries, and the UK price seems thus to be the only reliable stated one. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:38, 26 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== New Worlds 2 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23794; I added Archive.org link in a PENDING edit and there are 291 numbered pages, not 293; the last 2 are a comics (?) ad and an address page. So it should probably be 291 or 291+[2] or something similar. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:43, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Plan 7 From ... ==<br />
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{{T|2159691|Plan 7 from L.A.}} has always and only been published as "Plan 7 from Sin City" - the confusion is that in the copyright indicia for Wind Through the Fence it's listed as "from L.A" but the T.O.C and the first page of the story both say, plainly "from Sin City". How to get rid of the "from L.A." title? [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] ([[User talk:Ofearna|talk]]) 17:07, 11 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Done! (I removed the double 'Plan 7 from L. A.' from "Strange Worlds", and then merged the two titles.). Hope that's all okay now. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:28, 12 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Discussion of German audio books ==<br />
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Could you please join [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Entries_disappeared this discussion of deleted German audio books]? Thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:03, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== New Taboos ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?411302; I think format should be TP, not PB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:34, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Right you are. Corrected. Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:37, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== My Life, My Body ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?536236; I think format should be TP, not PB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:38, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: And again: Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:40, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Rumo & His Miraculous Adventures ==<br />
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This [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?196610 title] has four unverified editions. In 2015, you modified the title's author from Walter Moers to Optimus Yarnspinner. I have a copy of the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?479743 second] edition and the cover and title page give the author as Walter Moers. I can change the author on my edition only, or on the title. Is there any reason to believe that Optimus Yarnspinner is listed as the author on the other three editions? .../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 22:48, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: The reason was that the original edition was issued as by Hildegunst von Mythenmetz (and Optimus Yarnspinner seems to be a pseudonym of this eminent historian, if you look at the respective photos), and that others like [https://portal.dnb.de/opac.htm?query=9780436206092&method=simpleSearch The City of Dreaming Books] were issued as by Yarnspinner in English (though Moers is stated as author on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?329432 the cover]). It finally depends on the title page: if the credit on it for Moers is only that it is a translation of a text by Yarnspinner the credit should be for the latter. If that is not the case, I can revert the credit. Please take a second look that we may be able to find the right credit. Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:58, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Title page: Walter Moers [over] Rumo [over] & His Miraculous Adventures [over] A novel in two books [over] illustrated by the author [over] translated by [over] John Brownjohn [way over] Vintage Books [over] London. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 17:33, 15 December 2023 (EST)</div>
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== Troubleshooting ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?593110 Here] exclusive for you.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:05, 14 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Many thanks for the hint, Wolfram! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:07, 14 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?366800 here]--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:11, 14 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Ah, that one looks okay. Maybe this is one entry that you can learn from. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:13, 14 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: Oh, that one looks not okay, not a good example to learn something, but a typical example for your excellent work, please find the typo.<br />
:::: But I don't want to take this to extremes, it's just a hint to first recognize your own mistakes before criticizing other users' mistakes. Good luck---[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 10:39, 15 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::: Well, I never stated to be perfect: in fact nobody is. Mistakes do happen, the aim should be to learn from them.<br />
::::: On typos: one shouldn't think that they will never happen again. They have a tendency to creep in. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:03, 15 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::::Still wrong, please look accurate.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:55, 1 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::::: Feel free to correct typos. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:10, 1 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Iluustrations in Perry Rhodan #547, 4th printing ==<br />
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Hi Christian, I have just received the info that apparently the fourth printing of PR #547 had a fan illustraion in addition to Bruck's work, references are [https://www.perrypedia.de/wiki/Benutzer_Diskussion:JL#unbekannte_Zeichner_von_Innenillustrationen here]. Illustration #1 on p. 27 would not be by Bruck, but the following two would the same two as in the first printing. As I don't own printing #4, perhaps you could check and make the resp. edits? Thanks, John [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] 06:51, 19 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks very much, John! I really did not take the signature into account: the illustration is IMHO very near to Bruck's style, and I thought it was a illustration by him that found no place with the initial publication, which I do think has happened before with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?559092 PR 308], p. 63. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:58, 19 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Peter Fischer Sternaux ==<br />
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Hello Christian, by adding two collections I create two entries for an artist:<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?318094 Peter Fischer Sternaux]<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?307185 Peter Fischer-Sterneaux]<br />
I'm not sure, but I think both are wrong or typos. The correct name should be '''Peter Fischer-Sternaux'''. I found only three hints: [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bb-Reihe wiki bb-Reihe], [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kompass-B%C3%BCcherei wiki Kompass-Bücherei] and [http://www.stiftung-plakat-ost.de/pers.htm East German poster artists]. Can you help me to add the hyphen to Peter Fischer Sternaux? Sterneaux will then be a variant of Sternaux. Thank you very much [[User:Henna|Henna]] 06:09, 30 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Sure! I added the hyphen. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:58, 30 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Atlan 216 -> 217? ==<br />
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Hi Christan, can you check {{p|804985|Atlan 216}}? It looks like the number needs to change to 217, otherwise there will be two pub records with 216. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 02:19, 29 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks! I'll take care of my error. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:31, 29 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan 18 (2.Aufl.) Note ==<br />
Hi Christian, now the note has been erased completly. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4831473] I'm wondering about. Are you prepearing a new note? Can you please check this again? --[[User:Norman|Norman]] 03:33, 16 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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: Hi, Norman. I just removed a now surplus note about the cover art being the same as with the novella's first edition (and the cover design, I guess) which can be seen now with your upload.<br />
: I agree that it'd be nice, though, to have ''some'' notes, but you seem to be more competent than me regarding statements made in the issue, having the issue at hand. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:40, 16 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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== {{P|789903|Exodus, #40}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I added the missing interior art, please take a look. Regards [[User:Henna|Henna]] 15:03, 16 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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:Oh, yes! Many thanks for that! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 22:42, 16 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Image:GRTMRCNSHR2002.jpg ==<br />
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I have restored [[:Image:GRTMRCNSHR2002.jpg]]. It is used in a publication and "non-genre publication" is not a valid deletion reason for a book cover. By rule, only non-genre magazine covers are prohibited. Non-genre book covers are allowed and we have plenty of them. This disconnect in the rules has been discussed a number of times with no resolution. It's been awhile since the last discussion so it may be worth starting another rules and standards discussion. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:38, 26 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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Okay, but this was what was told to me when I was a beginner here. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:05, 26 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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== {{P|789904|Exodus, #41}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I have changed a few things in this magazine. Please take a look and check the changes. I think now only the collage on page 54 is missing. Thanks [[User:Henna|Henna]] 16:36, 3 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:Looks considerably better now! Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:52, 3 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::No, I made some mistakes, now we have three duplicates. I will take care of it. What you think about p. 54? Sorry for the mess [[User:Henna|Henna]] 14:47, 4 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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==Changes by unknown==<br />
(moved to the end of my talk page) [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:07, 5 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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Hi Christian. I'm wondering about some changes which has be done by unknowe between my submitting and releasing by a moderator (which takes at the moment 1-3days). Example: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4848514]. I think a moderator is allthough confused about this circumstances. I've today cancelled myself some of my submitted tasks which should have runed into the void. As you know it's hard to wait with the procedure i has to work actually. It takes some days until a new magazine has been registrated in a propper way. But it is much more confusing if a third party doing some well-intentioned actions in the meantime. What is going on there? Is there perhaps a better way for me? I see you are working daily a you check my work, which is really perfect for me. Would it be perhaps a better way to do in the future some actions in a coordinated way together? [[User:Norman|Norman]] 04:06, 5 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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:Well, yes! Maybe I should wait for a time with actions: the reason this happens is that I tend to deal with things the moment I run across them. Working in some areas at the same time does lead into the danger to forget about things. But if you would like to work in an area for some time on your own, we surely can bundle our actions in a more coordinated way. So, what are your plans for the nearest future (for example the coming week?) Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:07, 5 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::Thank you for the explanation. At the moment, the long waiting time between the change request and its approval is my problem, especially if the facts have changed in between. In addition, there is a certain impatience on my part. Now I would like to complete volumes #51 to #60 in both the 2nd and 5th edition. Later also the issues 21 to 60 of the 3rd edition. The magazines are of course all in my possession. It would be of great and welcome help to me, for example, if you could briefly review my changes and perhaps if possible approve them once a day. Since you and me always have to carry out several steps into each other for a magazine and I don't want to lose the overview, I would concentrate 2-3 booklets a day. Would such a procedure be conceivable for you? [[User:Norman|Norman]] 03:19, 6 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::: Yes, I'll wait for your doings and perhaps review and add/change a few things later, if that's okay. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:33, 6 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::::It would be perfect! I'm always interested to learn how such few things which could be very special are handled here. But first i've to wait for the still pending edits. [[User:Norman|Norman]] 04:17, 6 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::::: It seems Dirk (P. Broer) handled all or a part of the necessary doings overnight. Please take a look which of them still need to be dealt with. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:54, 6 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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==PR 53 5.Auflage Essay==<br />
I've just submitted this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4852526]. I didn't found the essay at 3|3.1 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1639876 Das Perry Rhodan-Lexikon] in this magazine. I found 3 Letters instead. But i found the essay in volume #51 instead. But some minutes before i submitted for #51 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4852524 this]. Can you please check and do the fixing, or please tell me how to proceed? [[User:Norman|Norman]] 04:04, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:Perhaps the essay in #51 (by W. Voltz!) is not identical with the 'Werkstattbericht' by (Horst Hoffmann and Peter Terrid). I will check this! But anyway in #53 this has to be modified or deleted [[User:Norman|Norman]] 05:14, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
::Result of check: the Essay in #1154, #920(2nd) and #51(5th) are identical! And the authors are Horst Hoffmann and Peter Terrid. [[User:Norman|Norman]] 05:26, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::: Many thanks for the corrections! It seemed just logical to assume that the essay on the 'Lexikon' would also appear in this issue (#53). I updated the title per merging and also removed it from issue #53 (5. Auflage). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:19, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::::Never mind. I have to thank you for the help that accelerated this. Otherwise it would have taken days again. [[User:Norman|Norman]] 07:01, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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:::::It might even be faster to import titles that already exist in the database - for example illustrations. It's possible to select contents on importing, or to import specified titles (this is done by entering the title no. in the lower half of the import screen). Basically, if there's only one title to import, I use the latter option, and if there is more than one title to import from one other publication I use the first option: it just requires to remove titles from a publication if there are some imported that don't belong to it (for example in PR #52, 5. Aufl., there were only two of the original four interior pieces of art reproduced). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:10, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::::::Many thanks again. This is very interesting. I'll try this next. I didn't know this function before. :-) [[User:Norman|Norman]] 05:58, 10 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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==Raumschiff Promet and its publication dates==<br />
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Hi Christian, I'll be changing the publication date of your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?812248 #54]. The publication date of Astro Science Fiction #53 is stated as 14 November 1973 in #49. Cheers, John. [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] 15:28, 13 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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:Okay, many thanks for the info! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:03, 13 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== New Worlds 9 ==<br />
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Cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23789 this] is Mike Little. Credired on p.165 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?204909 this] publication. Almost certainly the same artists responsible for the cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23793 this] as well. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 08:21, 24 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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:Great find! Many thanks for the detective work, and have a merry Christmas! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:24, 24 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== John Taylor ==<br />
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We have been sorting out the various John Taylors and need a little help. Can you see [[User_talk:Username#John_Taylor|this discussion]] and let us know if {{P|4421|Beyond This Horizon}} provides any biographical information about the John Taylor that has a story (p116) and essay (p44) in it? We are trying to determine if they are the same person and whether they are from the UK physicist or the US author. [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/ISFAC/s313.htm#A4878 Contento] has both by the author. But the physicist supposedly did some science fiction plays and the essay title would align with a physicist. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:15, 28 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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: Sorry, there's no biographical information, but my best guess is that it's the British physicist: seems quite obvious for the essay, and the convention was something like a British showcase (with a bit of Continental Europe thrown in). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:53, 29 December 2020 (EST)<br />
::Thanks. I added title notes with that information. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:42, 29 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Driftglas in German ==<br />
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{{p|371550|Driftglass}} cover by Barclaw Shaw [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 02:57, 7 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks! (but the variant / parent is still missing). Christian<br />
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== Philip K Dick ==<br />
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Added missing series to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55525 this] as <br />
"Writers of the 21st Century Series" (as printed on front) to conform with the rest of the volumes. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 02:00, 16 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:Thanks! I missed out on that one upon verifying. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:55, 16 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Question ==<br />
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Hello, Rtrace.<br />
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I inserted the translation to the Portuguese (#819033) but in the summary of the author (#111330) appear like a new novel, not a translation. How to fix it?<br />
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How is the right way to put translations? Its a New Novel or Add Publication to This Title or Variant?<br />
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--[[User:Paulotecario|Paulotecario]] 09:48, 22 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Hello, and welcome! You seem to have misdirected your question (since I'm not Rtrace). <br />
:But to answer: The right way to add translations usually is to enter a publication of the translation (correct title per title page of the publication, author name per title page of the publication, fitting language, translator, and other useful data), and than (after processing), variant to the canonical title. (The exception is if a translation under the exact same title already exists, than one can use the Add Publication or Clone Publication links). <br />
:For that reason the novel by N. K. Jemisin appears to be unconnected to its parent: it still needs to be varianted (the feature to use is the 'Make This Title a Variant' link). Since the entry does need some fixing (capitalization of title, price denomination, additional notes), I'll do the fixing and varianting for you. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:08, 22 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The format ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Careful with formats outside of Germany: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?819037 this] is [https://www.amazon.com.br/dp/8580579430 Dimensões : 23 x 15.6 x 1.8 cm] and a 23 cm book cannot be a pb under ANY definition. :) I fixed it. Also - when you find issues as severe as the ones with this book, please try to leave notes around - in this case both the editor who added and the moderator should have been reminded of what is wrong here. Fixing it is all great but unless someone tells the editor and the moderator, we will end up with more of those (I just caught 5 more of them and cleaned them up on approval). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:02, 22 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry about the format: that one slipped through my radar surveillance. I had seen that you reminded the moderator about issues, and the editor was informed in the item just above this one (bare that false format I didn't pay attention to). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:44, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Well, a day later when they came asking :) It makes it easier to do it when the change is done - that way we do not miss these. :) I think we are all good now. Hope you are doing well! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:08, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Yes, I cope (as you'll likely also do): waiting for things to normalize the news came in that vaccination over here in Europe for the majority of people will take longer than expected, due to organizational & production complications, but otherwise health is still good in the family: no one got seriously ill so far. So it will take some more time of clenching one's teeth and staying calm. Hope you're doing as good as circumstances allow (or better). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:18, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: That's good to hear. :) Pretty much -- living in one of the biggest counties in this country (biggest in the state) and not being old enough means that I am stuck home for the foreseeable future - they will take awhile to get to me for the vaccines. It all shall pass - hopefully... Oh well - stay safe - people tend to get even more careless than usual if they believe the end is close and that can cause problems even for the ones who are careful :( At least I can work from home... :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:28, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
::::: I hope you stay healthy in all the time waiting: that's the important thing, I'd think! Over here the old-aged are the first in line when it comes to the cure, then the system-sustaining persons, and pretty much later we normalized ones are thought of. Thought it would be sometime in Spring when it comes to our group, but it seems it will get hotter than that ... - just hoping the barbers will open before that, else there'll be much sweating (and much blindsight). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:03, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Galery of Lem's star diaries illustrations ==<br />
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Hello Christian, [https://solaris.lem.pl/galeria/rysunki-lema here] you can see the most illustration from the Star Diaries. Regards [[User:Henna|Henna]] 06:12, 31 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:Thanks! That does indeed help! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:18, 31 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Overcorrecting again ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Please stop "correcting" things without even looking at the covers and title pages. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?61987 This series] is not called "Mack 'n' Me" but "Mack 'n' Me 'n' Odyssey". Because of that we cannot strip "Mack 'n' Me" from the titles unless you want to do an internal set of series but the numbering may go wrong in the future so leaving them as they are is the cleanest way. I just spent some time fixing these again. I will appreciate if in the future instead of just going and removing anything that has ":" in the title, you either do some research OR ask the editor who actually worked on these (or both) and if I do not need to spend time correcting corrections. Thanks in advance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:47, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
: PS: And the fact that you again changed someone's work without bothering to consult and/or at least notify the person is as unacceptable as it always had been. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:49, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: Just a reminder that ''all'' record types -- pubs, titles, series, publication series, authors, awards, etc -- support Edit History as of 2021-01-14. When planning changes to a record, you can now review record history to see who else has worked on it.<br />
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:: Due to the way submissions work, sometimes you need to check other submission types to see full history. In this case, the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/series_history.cgi?61987 Edit History page] associated with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?61987 this series] doesn't tell you who created it. However, you can use Edit History pages associated with the titles in the series -- like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title_history.cgi?2822131 this page] -- to see who added the series information.<br />
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:: Hopefully, this will become one of our standard operating procedures as editors become used to this functionality and help lower everybody's stress level :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:59, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: Sorry, but I took the longe name as some kind of pub. series (yes, then it should have been put into that field - it didn't feel quite correct also). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:05, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: Then come and discuss before changing. My edits are all over this series and all its books, I've spent enough time with it to have an idea what is what (plus this is a known pattern with some series lately...). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:25, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== {{T|1650396|Etemenanki oder Die Fundamente von Himmel und Erde}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, is this the same text like in {{T|2682309|Etemenanki}}? Here is the first paragraph [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/5/51/Simon_etemenanki.jpg of Etemenanki]. Thanks for looking it up [[User:Henna|Henna]] 15:21, 3 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Sure! I'll variant the title(s). Thanks, I just overlooked this. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:08, 4 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Secondhand Charm ==<br />
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What was with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4895041 this change]? Did you even look at the publication before making this change? I don't understand why you would change the credit on the verified pub without asking the verifier, but had you looked at the pub notes, it would have been clear that there are two separate artists involved. I restored the proper credit. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:38, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry for that! ... and I even don't know what it was that has driven me to that. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:48, 7 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Image:PRRRHDNMZT1985.jpg ==<br />
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[[:Image:PRRRHDNMZT1985.jpg]] was deleted by you, but it is still used in {{P|814576|this pub}}. Please check whether you forget to remove the image link or if it was used in multiple pubs and it is correct/incorrect for this one. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:36, 13 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Alan PETER Ryan ==<br />
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Alan Ryan started using his full name, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?144345], when he returned to writing in 2010. "Sexual Exploration Is a Crime" was published under his full name in 2019's Shivers VIII just like it was in Ryan's 2012 collection The Back of Beyond. It was never published as by Alan Ryan. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:35, 14 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:I'm inclined to believe you. However, the thing is that the title appears with the short name in a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?727940 primary verified publication]. So you have to ask the primary verifier first if this is an overlooked mistake, before we could accept this change. Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:17, 15 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Follow-up from the Moderator Noticeboard discussion ==<br />
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To follow up on the [[ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Abusive_Regularization|last Moderator Noticeboard discussion]]:<br />
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* As per the 2020 agreement, please limit your moderatorial activities to self-moderation until I change the software to support an explicit "self-moderation only" flag for editors<br />
* Please do not change the data in recently added/edited records without discussing it with the moderator who approved the submission. Doing so effectively circumvents the agreement and leaves both the approving moderator and the submitting user out of the loop.<br />
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These issues have been occurring for a long time now. Please make sure that they do not re-occur or else I will have to take administrative action. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 14:58, 6 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== La trama celeste ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Can you share your sources for your statements of "First printing" and "Apparent first Edition" which you added [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?580480 here] today? None of the linked sources (OCLC and LTF) claim any of that (the Trantor is a later reprint and was used to verify the contents), your edit had no moderator notes and no notes identifying where these statements are coming from. Did you miss to add your sources?<br />
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On a separate note (less important but still valid) - reordering the statements in a publication notes field to fit your idea of what goes where in the notes (you moved the sources statement from the top to the bottom) is disrespectful to other editors - we all have our own styles of writing notes and we do not enforce style in this field. If you want ISFDB to start enforcing style, please go to R&S and find support. In the meantime, please respect your fellow editors (unless you are verifying of course - if you are PVing and there are no other PVs, you can change the note anyway you want). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:06, 6 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry, but the missing information is vital for out db and follows for the edition from Wikpedia. <br />
:The printing is necessary to add for a db that goes to index different ones. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:39, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Can you please point to a source that identifies this as a definitive first printing? Because what you are describing is an assumed first printing - unless it is confirmed somewhere, there is a possibility for an earlier printing run in the same year that is different. Statements of printing which lack the qualification “assumed” should have a source. Your opinion that this must be a first printing is just your opinion and not a fact unless it is supported by a source (primary or secondary). Otherwise we become the source of that specific information - and being a source of unverified information is not what this DB is supposed to be. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:51, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:::I think it's quite clear that it's a first edition, but for the faint possibilty that there was a previous edition within the same year, I'll update the note.<br />
:::On the printing rank: unless you know that there's more than one printing of this edition within the same year it ''should'' be noted that our entry is for the first one. And if there are more printings in 1948 we should clarify it for the sake of an editor supplying a higher one. It's quite unlike you to make things more difficult for additional publications and to be content with stub notes. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:31, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:::: Re:<br />
::::* unless you know that there's more than one printing of this edition within the same year it ''should'' be noted that our entry is for the first one<br />
:::: it's the other way around. Like other statements that we make in Notes, we add an unqualified "First printing" statement if -- and '''only if''' -- we have a source indicating that the publication is the first printing of the given edition. That source can be either the publication itself or a secondary source. Without a source, we can, at most, enter "Assumed first printing" or words to that effect. This is explained in the "Printings" section of [[Template:PublicationFields:PubNote]], e.g.:<br />
::::* If there is no printing information beyond the edition date, and no specific "first printing" statement, it is likely that this is a first printing, and you can put "Appears to be first printing of 1974 Puffin edition." <br />
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:::: Checking the database, I see that you have created 9263 EditPub submissions with the words "First printing" in Notes. We will now have to review and, if necessary, correct all of them. I will be creating a cleanup script which will identify all affected publication records, both PV'd and unverified. The number of affected publications will be lower than 9263, but the cleanup process will still be very time consuming.<br />
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:::: This is a major issue. Given this problem with understanding core data entry rules and the previously discussed repeated issues with adhering to the terms of the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Stonecreek#Follow-up_from_the_Moderator_Noticeboard_discussion self-moderation agreement], I am suspending your moderator flag until this issue has been sorted out and software support for "self-moderation only" editors has been added. We will review and discuss where we stand once these issues have been addressed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:31, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::::: Sorry to disagree: when we know an entry for any possible printing (including the first) of a given edition would look the same as the one we have in the database, it ''is'' meaningful to denominate 'ours' as the first: this way we have the first printing in the db, and any further printing of that year will be listed after it, we have it clear that a possible further printing of that year will have to be added, '''and''' we have the general information visible that we go as deep as the level of printing in ISFDB. And if you refer to the possibility that the cover image might differ for a different printing: well, without a primary verifier or a dependable source for it, we don't even know if the image we display does represent the edition (or the specific printing). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:46, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::: This specific book is sourced from OCLC and LTF. You do not invent data that is not on the record unless you can explain it. Stating First Printing with no qualifiers means that we are stating that this specific book in these sources is the first printing definitely (if we know that but we cannot verify that the sources point to our book, the IDs should not be added to it (or if added, the note should explain that they do not state first printing) and the note on the sources should explain that they are possibly for a different version of the book ). There is nothing in any source to support such unqualified claim. So “Assumed First Printing” is the best that can be used. Anything else is a fabrication and essentially creating information that then can be used by someone else and considered definitive. If we fabricate information, we cannot be trusted as a dB. If you cannot understand that, I am not sure how exactly to explain it better. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:19, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:::::::: Those sources only would possibly index a first printing if it's stated in a publication (though not necessarily so). We do have a different policy: we state a publication as ''apparent first printing''. So it'd be okay to state a first printing until we know if it's an apparent or a stated one (most likely supplied by a PV). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:34, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::::: Can you please point to me where this policy is specified? Because Ahasuerus already posted above our rules and they contradict it. And any other rule I had seen had been clear: each fact added should have a source - the book preferably, a secondary source if not possible. We do not invent data. If we have a documentation mismatch that actually allows us to invent data we should fix it so we do not confuse our editors. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:56, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::::::: I'm pretty sure you propagated it in one of the many arguments with Wolfram, I just haven't found it by now. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:24, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::::::: I had said that it is ok to add "First Printing" with no qualifications and no support of any source (other books or online sources) or the book? Very unlikely but sure, find it, I will be interested to see that and we can see what exactly was said there and in what context. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:21, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:::::::::::: If my memory is correct, you stated that it'd be okay to state 'Apparent first printing.' (and we'd accordingly have to wait what is there in a yet unverified publication). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:34, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::::::::: You realize the difference between “Apparent/Assumed First Printing” and a non qualified “First Printing”, right? Had you used the first here, we do not have a problem. You used the latter and then went on explaining how that is ok. A person browsing the site and seeing the statement with no qualifiers won’t think “oh, this says First printing but does not say stated so this may not be one”, they will think “first printing means first printing”. That is the crux of the problem here. Reread again everything I said so far and the excerpt from the rules above - adding a statement is not the issue, adding an unqualified one is. And then when you updated the note you changed the edition line leaving the unqualified printing one in place. (I cleaned it up when I fixed the sources issue). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:04, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::::::::::: Well, okay! I see the benefit of stating the more cautious version for people not aware of the difference between PVed and non-PVed pub.s (or PVed but not thoroughly reviewed). I guess that's a case of deep-in-blindness. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:15, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::::::::::: Most people won't realize what the PV table means when the find the page online (we had had enough new editors that did not and they were here to edit). And implying that it is ok to just add whatever to non-PVd publications is a bit offensive to all the editors who had done a lot of work through the years piecing things together from secondary sources and being very careful to chase any sources (with different levels of sloppiness sometimes but we are all human) - I am aware that this is not you meant but I hope you understand what I am saying here. That's why listing sources and qualifications are important (and listing what from the sources does not match our record and why when we have sources disagreeing) - if we made a mistake because a source was mistaken, it is not so good but we had a source and we did not create a piece of information that is untrue; if we just added a statement which was mistaken/misleading, we become the source now - and before long all other sites will use our data even from unPVd pubs and uprooting these errors later is hard (just look at the Larry Correia birthday problem - we did not originate it but someone did). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:53, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Authors difference in publications and titles ==<br />
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I have two of your submissions on hold because they run contrary to the basic rules of data entry on the site ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4931312 this one] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4931313 this one]) - we do NOT change the title authors in such cases, we leave the title author as uncredited and then variant to a parent with the known authors. Our rules are very clear about that - the exact text from the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:TitleFields:Author help page is]:<br />
"If there is a publicly available source which identifies the uncredited title's author, it will be later turned into a variant title using the author's canonical name." (please note that this is part of the TITLE author field and there is no exception for EDITOR records).<br />
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However, before I rejected them outright, I checked the German magazines (which had been your domain for years) and this had been going for a very long time so I went digging to see if there is a reason for that. Unless I missed it, there had not been an attempt to change the rules to make an exception for the German language magazines (I already spent my Sunday chasing this so I stopped somewhere ~2013). The only time this was even remotely mentioned is [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard/Archive_18#Publication_Authors_That_Are_Not_the_Title_Author this Cleanup report] which had been implemented in the usual way (leave the big sets for the end so a plan can be made for them; it is regrettable that the report was never completely implemented but that does not constitute a change of rules - these records are still against the rules). <br />
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Is there a policy in some obscure place that I missed (and that needs to be added to the rules) or do we need to mount yet another cleanup effort to bring all of these records to policy? Thanks in advance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:17, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Well, that's the way they were entered at the beginning of entering the series (and it wasn't me who began that), and I just followed the example that was already there. I don't see any major problem with the way it is for those, since 'uncredited' poses no pseudonym. But we could also work through the lot, if you're there to do a lot of unmerging, merging and/or varianting. And if you prefer it: sure, we can install a cleanup report for it. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:31, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: I read this several times now. Are you really accusing me of starting these author mismatches? You know perfectly well that when I began with the Perry Rhodan series, I used a secondary source (Perrypedia) and tried to be as complete as possible. Any use of uncredited and starting the discrepancy between publication and title author is yours! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:03, 11 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: We already have a cleanup report for author mismatches, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?33 ''Publication Authors That Are Not the Title Author'']. When it was [[ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard/Archive_18#Publication_Authors_That_Are_Not_the_Title_Author|modified in 2015 to add EDITOR/MAGAZINE and EDITOR/FANZINE mismatches]], I mentioned that it was coded to "ignore[] German magazines because we have about 1,400 Perry Rhodan mismatches on file. Once the other 126 mismatches have been resolved, we can revisit the PR issue."<br />
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:: Unfortunately, the issue was never revisited, so now we have 5,375 mismatches, including 1,500 non-Perry Rhodan mismatches. Some are PR-related, including 434 Atlans, while others are not. Better late than never... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 09:14, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::: It won’t be that hard I suspect - two step process (create parent with the authors that are there now and then clean the authors of the current record (and fix both dates while at it) will clear a whole year of uncredited issues. The only unmerges needed will be when there are pubs credited differently. <br />
:::: Yes, mostly, but there are a few elaborate title notes that shouldn't be lost (or should be transposed). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:26, 8 March 2021 (EST) <br />
::::: So a third edit. :) Still Not so bad. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:29, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::: As for why we must finish the cleanup - we are a DB. Differences in data structures is a problem when one writes queries to find something - inconsistencies like that should have a very good reason. Being German and uncredited is not one of those unless we change the rules officially. :)<br />
::: Can I request an update of the report or should I do it over in CS? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:21, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: And is there a report for the case above: i. e. the 'First printing' affair? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:30, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::: Not yet - unlike the one here, that one is not preexisting... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:40, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
(unindent) OK - I approved both merges so their pubs are brought into where they belong and then fixed both of these title records to follow the way we handle uncredited publications with known authors from elsewhere. Just a gentle reminder - when you are making the yearly series, the date of it should be the year itself (so 1991-00-00) and not the date of the first issue. <br />
: PS: As you are the PV on a lot of them, we know who to ask but it will be extremely useful to add some notes on the series level ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?43528 here] and all the others) where the editors names are coming from. Or on the individual years although adding them up on the series level may be cleaner and clearer. Or even on the parent [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?28689 series]. Thanks in advance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:40, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Dmitry Glukhovsky's "Text" ==<br />
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A quick FYI re: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2652577 this title]. Back in 2019 you [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4484074 added the following note]: "Described as a crime / techno-thriller; it may be nongenre." As per the plot summary on Wikipedia, this is a non-genre thriller. I have updated the German VT and the Russian parent title. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 09:28, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
: I can confirm it is non-genre. If I can remember where my book is (because I do not see it where it is supposed to be), I will verify a Russian version and clean the note after that. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:56, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::Thanks, Ahasuerus! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:58, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== GOMINE — Walzenraumer der Hijthi (scheme) ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Did you mean to make [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2841677 this] a short story or did you forget to switch to Interior art? :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:32, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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: It's an artwork, which I just realized upon submitting. I'll correct it with adding the cover image. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 22:53, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:11, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== These variants ==<br />
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I rejected a few - there is no point changing the author in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4932961 such cases]. 30 of the 33 magazines need to stay under the title as is. 3 need to be split and varianted... Changing the author here will result in a lot more work. I think I approved a few earlier so I will clean the created mess based on that... but please look at the list of magazines before changing the authors. Thanks! 00:10, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Those issues have to be reviewed (and the credit chenged) anyway. But my idea was to first complete the (1. Auflage), and then come back to it. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:19, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: But in the process you are moving issues from "Pub and title matches" to "they do not match" so when the report gets deployed, someone will try to fix them again and we will do the same work multiple times. If you are going to be reviewing the publications anyway, let's start with them. Fix the magazines themselves inside of a year, then fix the titles correctly. Otherwise we will be chasing these until next Christmas :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:34, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: Uhmmm, yes, your're probably right. I just have to dig these copies out of their vault. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]]<br />
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== Wstęp (Dzienniki gwiazdowe) ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935029 this one]. Either we claim we do not know who to credit to (so unknown) (because we really have no idea it is Lem's or not) or it is Lem's... We cannot have it both ways (and even if it was rare, other people did write introductions for his books in Polish:) ) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:43, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:What is unknown, I think, is if it's credited to Lem or his alter ego Professor Tarantoga. Usually the introduction should be the same as the first one [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?820586 here], since there the eighth and the eighteenth journey (and the ominous circumstances of their coming-to-be & inclusion) are talked about; it should also be in-universe fiction. The only somewhat irregular thing is the discussion of a 'LEM' as author of the 'Star Diaries' since the Lunar Excursion Mobile would have a far too small electronic brain for such a task - it seems somewhat pre-timed for 1966, but the 1971 should be at least a variant of the 1966 piece. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:51, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: And your source for this please? Unless you have something better than guesses here, this stays unconnected. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 08:04, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: According to [https://fantlab.ru/work3309 Fantlab], there were 4 introductions to the "Ijon Tichy" collections published between 1954 and 1976. All of them were in-universe essays as by "Professor Tarantoga" (one of the characters in the series), but the text differed from edition to edition. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:41, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: Beat me to it - I was planning to go digging on Russian and Polish sites today to see if I can find something. :) Feel free to makre the changes and add sources on the pub level and cleanup the notes. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:51, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::: Thank you for the research. Will do the updates. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:12, 13 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Uralt, mein Feind ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4934516 this one]: Rudam PVd it 4 years before you did. Are you absolutely sure that his book does not have the first edition stated? When he [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3337533 added it], his note read "noted stated"? I propose to wait for him to verify before we remove the stated qualifier... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:11, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Yes, I'm sure: checked it two times! Rudolf has quite often the "noted stated" misprinting (when it should read "not stated"). It's ''very'' unusual for this publisher to not state a first German edition (and at first I fell for this trap), but it's in fact what is there. As a hint see the difference between the DNB and/or OCLC entries for this one and the one for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?676175 Vazkor] for example (fifth line of the DNB entry). I guess the (missing) information was copied from another publication in the sub-series 'Science Fiction Classics', in which ''usually'' real classics are published (and ones that were published before in German). For the Dickson the collection's original English publication was just five years before and the single stories weren't in every case so much older. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:32, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: You checked Rudam’s book two times? I have no concerns with your book at all (although why a day earlier you thought it says that is a bit of a mystery but mistakes happen) - my concern is not what the book you are holding says. My concern is the other PV’s copy. Would you have accepted this edit if it was not your book and you were moderating and a second editor was changing major data points in the notes (which they confirmed matching the previous day) or would you have tried to ensure first that they are holding the same edition and we do not need a clone instead? Apparently Ron read the initial status of this note as saying that the value is stated as well (that’s why he approved your changes the previous day). You are probably right that you have the same book but I’d still try to discuss that with the other PV first. :) If he is not around for awhile, then we can change that with a note explaining what the other PV had stated before (“The first PV had marked the edition as “noted stated”. It is assumed, based on the usual practices of the German publishers, that this is a misprint for “not stated” and there is only one version of this book” for example or words to that effect). That way it is clear what happened here and in case we read the weirdly phrased statement wrong, we have the paper trail for the change. What do you think? <br />
:: There are 9 books with this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/note_search_results.cgi?OPERATOR=contains&NOTE_VALUE=Noted+stated+ note]. I will ping him to clarify what he meant and we can easily sort them out. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 08:50, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Well, no, of course I didn't check Rudolf's book, just checked my copy, but mine does seem to be printed the same way as the ones catalogued at DNB and OCLC. Sure we can add the note accordingly. The examples are mostly for Goldmann & Bastei Lübbe publications in the mid-Seventies, and in these times both publishers didn't state first German editions. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:13, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: And this should also go in the note, as it is a justification of why you read the statement the way you do. :) So let’s do that in order - leave a message to him, if he does not respond in a few days (he seems to be away just now), send another update with the note properly added. Thoughts? Meanwhile I will work with him to sort out the 9 publications with this note. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:25, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Spektrum der Wissenschaft, #3.21 cover ==<br />
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Where is the title and date coming from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937197 here]? I do not see a note anywhere in the publication, cover record and there are no moderator notes? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:43, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:It's from the original appearance of the piece as interior art. Will add the according note to the parent title (and correct the title type). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:05, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Approved. Add this in the moderator note next time. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:20, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Reinhold Kammler ==<br />
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Could you please clarify what the proposed note -- "Was 1981 at home in Vienna, Austria" -- in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937820 this submission] means? Does it mean that he lived in Vienna, Austria as of 1981? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:06, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Yes. Would it be better to phrase it as "Was 1981 living in Vienna, Austria"? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:08, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks for clarifying! I have changed it to "Known to have lived in Vienna, Austria as of 1981." [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:20, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan, #147: Amoklauf der Maschinen ==<br />
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When you have a chance: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?654734 this one] remained the only mismatched one in one of the years you cleared. I am not sure if it needs an update or to be split out so leaving that to you. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:28, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Will do the update. Thanks for the hint! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:06, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Wünsch dir was! ==<br />
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Hello again :)<br />
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Can you look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2837007 this] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2363651 this]? If they are the same, they need a merge. If not, we need to disambiguate or at least add notes. As you have both magazines, you are in the best place to figure out what we need to do :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:49, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Ah, yes! The 2018 one was published quite a while back, so that I didn't realize that the title was used again (they might be developed into a series: I'll see if there are future instalments. For now, I'll disambiguate the two: thanks for finding them! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:06, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:09, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Agency ==<br />
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Added the second ASIN in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?800153 this one] and cleaned the note (the note was there because the ASIN was not working on amazon.de (misspelled a bit in the note...) and the ISBN was not leading anywhere on the German Amazon when I added it). When there are different ASINs across the Amazons for the same edition, we list all the ones we source from and add a note which belongs to which Amazon. Thankfully it does not happen too often outside of certain US/UK paired publishers (but when it happens, it can be annoying). So just heads up! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]]<br />
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:Thanks, Annie! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:10, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Zweitausendvierundachtzig: Orwells Albtraum ==<br />
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Hello again, <br />
<br />
Both OCLC and DNB show [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?828410 this one] as part of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?2152 AndroSF]. Not sure if you left it out intentionally or not but just heads up. If it was intentional, is there something that makes it different from the rest of the series (I add books from this series occasionally so if there are some specifics, I'd love to know them). :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:06, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:I'll upload the image, add more contents and the series: I forgot to add the series, but I usually review my recent edits to find typos, mistakes and omissions like this one; but thanks for keeping an open eye: there may still some faults slipping through. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:43, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: I would have just put on my monitor list to see if there will be an update later but as it was a series I work on now and then, I wanted to make sure it was not intentional and I do not need to look out for something in the books that have the series. :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:06, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan, #799: Abschied von Terra ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?380654 This one] needs either to be split out or have its editors fixed. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:03, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Okay, thanks for finding this one. Submission under way. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:04, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Old sites on author pages ==<br />
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Instead of removing them completely, see if archive.org will give you a snapshot we can use. Like I just did [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?265255 here]. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:55, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:05, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Franziska Wolff ==<br />
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When you have a chance, add a note either [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?323974 here] or in the parent where the pseudonym is disclosed. I take you at your word that it is in a book so I approved but let's add the note. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:59, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Sources needed ==<br />
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Can you share a source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4942497 this change] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4942402 this change]. Unless we have a source telling us that an English author does not get shelved under their last name, we always assume it is the last name only. Spanish and Portuguese are different but English is very straightforward in this. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:22, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:You're right, of course. For a reason unknown I thought that the rules were different for 'classic' authors. I'll cancel and resubmit. Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:44, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: We use this name for the Author Directory and for sorting in searches if you chose to order by that. So having the value as someone expects it (which for English speakers will be last name) is what makes sense. So for Romilly, a quick search finds [https://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/romilly-hugh-hastings-4502 this] and if a Dictionary of Biography has him under Romilly, that's where we want him :) Galactic Central has Estay under E ([http://www.philsp.com/homeville/gfi/s349.htm#A9915 here] but as you know the link is not stable so we cannot link it directly) - which is not as definitive as a dictionary but I would follow their lead unless I have another source somewhere. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:53, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Atlan, #200: Herrscher im Mikrokosmos ==<br />
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"Juli 1982" and 1982-06-15 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?829057 here] :) I suspect a copy/paste mistake from the previous entry in the note but as these are hard to spot, heads up so you can sort it out when you add the cover. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:58, 23 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Will do. Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:00, 24 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Gate of Ivrel ==<br />
<br />
{{P|514656|Gate of Ivrel}} has the same cover art as {{P|279676|Orbit UK PB}} edition [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 19:50, 25 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Oh, yes! Many thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:05, 26 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Possible Typos ==<br />
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Here are some possible database typos:<br />
* millenial - {{T|127268|Millenial Eve(s) (drama review)}} in {{P|59018|Interzone, #132 June 1998}}<br />
* phenomenom - {{T|1612366|English-Language SF as a Socio-Cultural Phenomenom}} in {{P|211705|Science Fiction Studies, Second Series}}<br />
* relevations - {{T|1166830|Deep Space, Deeper Relevations}} in {{P|59009|Interzone, #157 July 2000}}<br />
If you could please check and correct or add title notes, it would be appreciated. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:10, 28 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Will do my best, though the SF-Studies book will need some searching. Thanks for the hints, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:20, 28 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Drachengestirn ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Can you find [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?500470 this book] and come join us [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Thomas_F._Monteleone.27s_Dragonstar here] while we are trying what to do with these books. :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:09, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks, I have answered there. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:56, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: You have an answer - sounds like you need to move this translation? :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:17, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Self-approver testing ==<br />
<br />
As I said on [[ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Bottleneck_at_moderation_level]], last week I changed the software to support "self-approval" -- see [[ISFDB:Community_Portal#Self-approval_support]]. It was a fairly significant change and you are now the first editor to test it on the live server. Self-approvers should be able to approve and reject their own submissions. Please give it a try and let me know if you run into any issues.<br />
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Also, please be extra careful when editing records which other editors have worked on. Communication is key :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:25, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Thank you very much, I'll test it. And from now on I'll be very cautios with other people's work. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:33, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== German translations of Irma Chilton ==<br />
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Hi Christian,<br />
I need help with some complex editing of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?223006 Irma Chilton].<br />
Right now the situation is as follows:<br />
* She has written two short novellas: "Take Away the Flowers" and "Fuller's World".<br />
* These have been published as a collection with the name "Take Away the Flower & Fuller's World".<br />
* There are three German language publications by her:<br />
** "Weltraumpilot Tom Davies in Aktion" (Boje)<br />
** "1. Auftrag im All" (Pelikan Tramp-Buch), indicated as a licensed publication from Boje<br />
** "Schmuggel im All" (Pelikan Tramp-Buch), indicated as a licensed publication from Boje<br />
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Right now "Weltraumpilot Tom Davies in Aktion" is claimed to be the translation of "Take Away the Flowers". It is right now unknown (in the database), which are the sources of the two Tramp books.<br />
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I do not own either of the books, but from what I have read in several forums (e.g. [https://forum.sf-fan.de/viewtopic.php?p=196266#p196266 at SF-Fan]) I am 100% sure that:<br />
* "Weltraumpilot Tom Davies in Aktion" is a translation of the entire collection "Take Away the Flower & Fuller's World".<br />
* "1. Auftrag im All" is "Take Away the Flowers".<br />
* "Schmuggel im All" is "Fuller's World".<br />
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In my opinion this would be the only explanation that makes sense, and it is in line with what I have seen in other publications in the Tramp series. The Tramp books are sub-licenses of Boje that is mentioned in the books. In that case all translations would be by Siegfried Schmitz (which is not mentioned there).<br />
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Also, I think that the cover artwork of "Schmuggel im All" could be by Edward Blair Wilkins but that should be checked separately.<br />
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Even if you think that these changes are too much of a risk as they are speculations without checking the original publications I wanted to document my findings here so that others do not need to start from the beginning.<br />
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Thanks! [[User:Naut|Naut]] 02:54, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:I think you're right in your assumptions, since both Tramp books are stated as licensed by Boje. Thanks for the informational update, I'll converge the titles accordingly. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:28, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Good solution that you have found. Thanks! [[User:Naut|Naut]] 05:08, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:37, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Eschbach, Abschied von der Erde ==<br />
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Hello Christian, can you help me to add this [http://www.andreaseschbach.de/files/abschied-von-der-erde.html story]? Thanks [[User:Henna|Henna]] 11:56, 12 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Sure. Would you like to try it? Here's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?765405 an analogous example] (of course - or likely - we don't know much about the pages or the price). Only be sure to mark it as nongenre. I'll take a second look after the edit, if it's okay. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:56, 12 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Hello Christian, thank you for the example. Here is the result: {{P|836910|Die Welt, Samstag, 20. April 2019}}. I hope everything is correct, please take a look. Thanks again [[User:Henna|Henna]] 09:58, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Looks good! Maybe a note on the source of the shortfiction (author's web page) would be fine. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:20, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::Now with the link. Thanks again [[User:Henna|Henna]] 13:18, 16 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== {{P|833362|Nova, #30}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, in this pub is a gap from p.101 to p.160. Should I add the contents? Regards [[User:Henna|Henna]] 14:19, 26 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:If you'd like to do it you're welcome. It got somehow lost in my to-do list: wanted to read & enjoy the contents in full before entering them. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:02, 27 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Hello Christian, everything is done (I hope). Please take a look [[User:Henna|Henna]] 15:28, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Great work! Thank you very much! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:10, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Aligning notes'' ==<br />
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Hello Christian! What is the meaning of the phrase ''aligning notes'' as a justification, when you make changes in the notes where we are both PV? Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 06:46, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:It means to have the notes as in other publications of a given series. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:50, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Whereby your wording and your order of the individual notes are predetermined? Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 07:25, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Not necessarily, but with 'Titan' it seemed somehow useful for the avid reader to have one orientation. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:33, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: One other thing that seems more important is the role of Wolfgang Jeschke: he is credited as co-editor but doesn't appear with the parent title (and is obviously not a pseudonym used by Aldiss): would 'Wolfgang Jeschke (in error)' possibly be more appropriate? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:41, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::Do I understand that correctly, that the decision of what may be necessary and what is useful for an avid reader is made by you? Other PV should follow accordingly even if they are the first making a different entry in the notes? [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 10:55, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Well, the more there is in the notes the more there is that a user might find useful. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:14, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::Well, but sometimes less is even more.But you still haven't answered my question. So I can assume that you keep changing some notes of mine that have the similar content as yours and feel the urge to change the sequence of my notes, even though I am the first PV. Also, I didn't catch that the notes of a given series have to be structurally identical. Could you please guide me to the corresponding rule. I appreciate your effort. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 09:48, 8 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: If you feel the way that unstructured notes for publications where you are the first PV should prevail we can leave it at that. Sorry that you might feel I have stepped on your toes. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:40, 8 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::Nice that you've got it. BTW, in case you haven't noticed, in practically all ISFDB pubs, the notes aren't structured. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 08:47, 9 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::::::: Yeah, but the majority of them generally have only stub notes; that shouldn't be a reason to not work on them. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:12, 9 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::''Wolfgang Jeschke'' isn't the editor of the original anthologies, but he is of course the editor of the entire ''Titan-series''. We can't leave him out. [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 10:55, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::: It's only that he didn't do editorial work other than for other translated works (anthologies among them), where he ain't credited. The contents for 'Titan' were selected by other editors, and Jeschke only organized the translations and the cover artworks; there seems to be no original content work he did. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:12, 9 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: From that point of view you are right, but his name is associated with all 21 TITAN issues and is emphasized on the cover, spine and title page. It reminds me a bit of the alleged part, Isaac Asimov played as editor for the Greenberg/Waugh anthologies. His name was prominently featured on the cover. I would therefore recommend, just as with Asimov, that his name be kept. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 12:11, 9 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: Okay, I'm fine with that point of view. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:24, 9 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Makroleben ==<br />
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Cover art of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?364664 this] is Angus McKie. Same cover art as on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?87404 this] book. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:25, 11 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Many thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:36, 11 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Rediscovery: Science Fiction by Women (1958-1963)'' ==<br />
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Checking the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?731973 edit history] of the paperback edition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?731973 ''Science Fiction by Women (1958-1963)''], I see that the title was originally entered by [[User:Galacticjourney]], one of the contributors, as "Rediscovery: Science Fiction by Women (1958-1963)". On 2019-09-23 you moved "Rediscovery" to the "Series" field. On 2019-10-14 Annie removed "Rediscovery" from related title records.<br />
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Yesterday, [[User:Galacticjourney]] [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Can.27t_log_in indicated] that "Rediscovery" is part of the title proper as opposed to a series name. As far as I can tell, there are no related books with "Rediscovery" in the title, so it would appear that he is right. Would it be OK to change the title back to ''Rediscovery: Science Fiction by Women (1958-1963)''? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:47, 17 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Yeah, it should stay in the title. Looks like I just fixed the extremely sloppy editing that removed it in half of the places (in preparation of cloning for the ebook) without checking if it should have been edited to start with (my bad on that). :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:48, 17 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Without a second volume in the series, it is best to put 'Rediscovery:' back into the title(s) proper (which I just did; I also corrected the stated 'First edition' for the ebook). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:36, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: It is the first edition of the ebook, Look inside even showed it when I looked when I added it. Why would you “correct” it? Can you please share your research that led to removing data from the edition? The only cited source is Amazon and it says so. So we record it. If you have other information, please add your sources and reasoning to the edit. Otherwise, please do not edit something to contradict the cited sources. <br />
::: And apparently you could not be bothered to fix the titles that take their names from the reference title (again) so I will finish your edit again. :)[[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:49, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: The statement for a first edition was obviously erroneous, the print edition preceded it. If it's stated, 'Stated first edition' would be right to add to the notes. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:26, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::: It looks like there may be some minor discrepancies between what Look Inside shows and what the Amazon.com record shows. For example, Look Inside says "August 2019" while the displayed Amazon record says "September 2, 2019" (perhaps the date when the e-book became available at Amazon?). It would be helpful to document these discrepancies in Notes to avoid questions in the future. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 12:42, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: If the source and the book declare this as a first edition, we document that (or you add notes explaining the discrepancy). "Apparent first ebook edition" is nonsense in this case because of what the sources are saying. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:56, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: That's why 'Stated first edition' would be right, as explained above. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:07, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::::: With a single source, anything un-attributed specifically comes from that source - which in this case is Amazon and the statement "data from Amazon" makes it clear. Adding Stated is not needed here - but I added a note where exactly it comes from. None of that explains your "Apparent first ebook edition" from earlier today. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:25, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Der Weg zum Mars ==<br />
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Just a quick note to let you know that I have adjusted the parent authors of your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?854643 verified ''Der Weg zum Mars'']. Is it safe to assume that it was the only volume in the trilogy translated by Heyne? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 12:10, 5 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Many thanks for the updating! I wasn't able to find the original novel (and Хачатурьянц) at Wikipedia or at FantLab. There was a German edition of 'На астероиде', which I'm gonna to add this week, but I don't know yet if it's part of the series, at first glance the book didn't give a hint towards that. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:28, 6 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: According to [https://fantlab.ru/work780752 FantLab], it's part 2 of a trilogy:<br />
::* Путь к Марсу (first serialization 1978, first book publication 1979)<br />
::* На астероиде (first serialization 1981, first book publication 1984)<br />
::* Здравствуй, Фобос! (first serialization 1982, first book publication 1988)<br />
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:: Unfortunately, since FantLab's bibliographies are author-centric, finding anything published by authors who do not have "curated" bibliographies is a chore. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:49, 6 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks!. It was (theoretically) possible to search by publisher, but the publications appeared to be not ordered chronologically, and I have to admit, that I gave up after the first twenty-something. But I'll add the 'На астероиде' to the series upon entering. Thanks again. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:58, 6 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== German poetry ==<br />
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If you have a minute, can you check if you can find earlier editions for [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Anniemod#Need_a_little_help these poems]? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:16, 20 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:It's seems possible that the poems were published before 1905 in a magazine or a newspaper. I have found no evidence for this, however. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:20, 21 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Yeah, I cannot find anything either. I did not put the word first in the notes exactly because I was not sure it is first so that’s the best we can do for now I guess. :) Thanks for looking. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:43, 21 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Your capitalization changes ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Just a reminder to write moderator notes when you make extensive changes like the ones here: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5100882 Changes in every story] (or any changes really when other editors had worked on a record)? While it may be obvious to you, it won't be in 3 years. Also - when you do that kind of changes, don't forget to follow up on any parents that may exist (it is wrongly created and I am cleaning it up but there was a parent out there with the old capitalization. I would have also posted a reminder for the editor although Portuguese may need some reversals - European and Brazilian Portuguese capitalize differently apparently (why would anything be easy). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:53, 28 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks for the reminder, Annie (and for the information to the editor)! Right now, I'm working on works and publications by Lem. Nevertheless, I tend to do other things that I run across, and maybe, that's not as good a idea as it seems to be (but on the other hand, every betterment has its benefit). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:09, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Oh, it is always a good idea. Just get in the habit of adding moderator notes - especially when doing cleanup. I started way back when before I became a moderator and now it is a second nature. We don’t need an essay - just a reminder note - in this case I’d say “capitalization” and be done. Makes the “what happened here” easier to parse. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:14, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Okay, will do so in the future. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:16, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Allan Quatermain ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5102776 This] had a very interesting price. Can you check to make sure I picked the correct currency when fixing it? Pre-unification German currencies trip me up occasionally. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:04, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Ooooops! Yes, a strange price that was indeed, thanks for the find. DM is correct. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:12, 30 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Orphan Perry Rhodans ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Can you figure out in which PR series do these 3 fit:<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2843076 Perry Rhodan, #282: Die Spur führt zu Jagos Stern]<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2843074 Perry Rhodan, #281: Kampf in der Tiefsee]<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2843072 Perry Rhodan, #280: Die Weltraumdetektive greifen ein]<br />
They had been sitting on the board alone since March and are starting to feel a bit lonely... Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:11, 6 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And while you are around [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?856123 Perry Rhodan Sonderband] also needs a series. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:13, 6 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks for the findings, Annie! Will do the first, but the 'Sonderband' seems to be a one-shot so far: it was published to celebrate the 60th anniversary of the series, and there may be more in five and/or ten years. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:12, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Editor records need to be part of series in the DB. So either it is a magazine/fanzine (and has one) or it is a different thing and needs a type change. Your choice. I’d just stick the name of the Pub itself as a series for now. Or put it directly under the master PR series - surely it must be connected to the big sprawling universe in there. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:28, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Okay, you're double right: I did some research at Perrypedia, and there were in fact two previous publications in the series, different in character, though (not entered so far). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:38, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::: Always fun when that happens, isn’t it? :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:45, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Tom O'Bedlam oder der arme Tom von Bethlehem ==<br />
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What do you mean with "The cover design should be credited to Atelier Ingrid Schütz on the copyright page." [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?594754 here]? I am wondering about the "should be" part of the sentence :) What are you trying to convey exactly? And there is another "should be" over there - both sound like an attempt to say something which came out weirdly in English. Did you mean "most likely" or "with a certain degree of certainty even though we have no access to the book" or "based on other books, it is expected to be there"? If so, the better expression will be "most likely" plus a note about the reason for your thinking that it is the case. Or just state where you got the information from and don't try to guess what is on the copyright page if you do not have access to it. <br />
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The way it is written now is as if you are telling the printer what to put on the pages, not a format that shows what might be on the page. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:59, 12 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Noted. Thanks for the help! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:56, 23 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Parabel vom Sämann ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1331034 review] for Die Parabel vom Sämann [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362530 here] is connected to the English title and not the German one. Is it reviewing the English title or is that a leftover from some of the old conventions? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:34, 22 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
: In the same book [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1331033 this one] is connected to a short story and not the collection and a few more are going to the English titles. You may want to check them all. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:34, 22 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: No, these are the German title and the anthology reviewed (didn't review the connections upon veryifying). I'll reconnect. Thanks for finding this! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:55, 23 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: We have a new report for cross-language reviews: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?301 here] - while we were fixing languages and splitting language versions in the last years, we forgot the reviews connections somehow. You may want to check the German ones in there - sometimes they need to stay like that so if there is a PV I will be knocking on their doors to check/verify anyway shortly. So if you have the time and inclination, some help will be appreciated. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:06, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: PS: Like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?412301 this one]. Are all of those non-German titles really used like that in the book (as the review titles) and are they reviewing the original texts? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:09, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Yes, they are; at least they are titled this way. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:18, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::: I'll clear these from the report then later so someone does not decide to fix them. I'd add a general note in the publication as well if I were you explaining that (it is uncommon so more notes, the better). Thanks for checking! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:24, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Menagerie von Babel ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Can you check if [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2055389 this story] has 7 or 17 in the title? I would not be surprised if it got changed for German but just making sure it is not a typo in the DB. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:25, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Yes, it has the '7' (and it even states the original title with a '7'). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:07, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks for checking. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:27, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan #3137 ==<br />
Hi,<br />
could you please have a look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?852244 PR #3137]? According to the cover, the author is Robert Corvus, but it's currently listed as Uwe Anton. According to Perrypedia, Anton was the originally scheduled author, but it looks like that changed. Thank you. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] 16:11, 25 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Many thanks for finding this! That one just slipped through the net. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:13, 25 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Converting to chapbooks and languages. ==<br />
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When converting to chapbooks like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5139193 here], keep in mind that ALL newly created titles will NOT have a language because the work does not have a reference title. In such cases, add the chapbook record only. Save it. Fix the language of the chapbook. Then edit again to add all the art pieces. Otherwise someone needs to manually fix the language on each of them one by one (21 of them to be exact in this case) :) Alternatively, do a single update but then fix the languages of all titles. Thanks! <br />
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: Thanks, Annie. I thought I had grabbed them all.<br />
:: You got the chapbooks. The 21 art pieces across English and Swedish had no language. All sorted now - just keep that in mind - these can be annoying that way. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:48, 3 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Also what is the source for claiming that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?391615 this] is first edition? [https://www.worldcat.org/title/mio-min-mio/oclc/7772523 OCLC] does not say so. No other sources listed. Same for the printing - OCLC does not specify first printing and there may have been differences that disqialify this record (sourced by this OCLC record) and carrying this cover and these illustrations from being the first printing. So how did you determine that this is a first edition? It may well be - but we need to show at least a source OR a justification to claim it so. And we need a source for the number of illustrations you added - OCLC does not have that either :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:16, 2 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Will add the source. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:46, 3 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Which Wikipedia? And which pages - the book, the author, the artist, a combination of? Contents differ per language... We need a link to the correct one in the Web Pages (or correct ones if more than one is used). Someone should be able to follow our research when done online based on our notes - saying just "Wikipedia" is like saying "Google" :) <br />
:: And I do not see the 17 illustrations mentioned in either the Swedish or the English versions. Or the German one. Unless I missed it somewhere? So where did you find these mentioned? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:48, 3 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Christian? Can you please point to your source for the 17 illustrations? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:57, 5 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Yeah, well Wikipedia of course and the upcoming German edition(s). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:37, 6 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Tramps von Luna ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I have digital copies from {{P|721869|Das große Robert A. Heinlein Lesebuch}} and {{P|670004|Die Tramps von Luna}}. In the first one the novel has 18 chapters (the last sentence is: Hazel öffnete die Augen. »Ist sie das?«), in the second one are 19 chapters (the last sentence is:Der Start unterbrach ihren Satz. Aber Roger Stone wußte, was sie meinte. Saturn – Uranus – Pluto …). Please take a look how the novel ends. Many thanks [[User:Henna|Henna]] 18:00, 4 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Well, the earlier translation was noted as likely abridged, I think that does explain the differences. I'll clarify the notes. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:27, 5 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== One Cover ==<br />
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The cover I just added to Richard Bach's One is the same as the later edition; some editor entered a note for that edition that there was no credit for the cover art but there was for cover design and entered that, which is wrong, so neither of them should be there. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:45, 5 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: This may be so, but [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Gzuckier Gzuckier] was the one who added the initial credit, so please do ask him for the reasoning behind this. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:54, 5 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Moon Quest ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Just a quick reminder: If you are adding any extra titles (covers, interior art and so on) during a novel -> chapbook conversion, they are created with no language so you may want to chase them down and add a language to them while you are still working on the book. If you first add the chapbook, then set its language and THEN add the additional titles, you do not have this problem. But when you add them when you are adding the CHAPBOOK title, their languages need to be set manually. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?259461 Moon Quest] pinged in a report with both of its art titles being language-less. Fixed now. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:56, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Thanks, Annie. I'll try even harder to expand my memory cells. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:07, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Alternatively, keep an eye on the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?194 report] when you know you did some conversions the previous day. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:14, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== lub hnub qub tshiab - Neuer Stern 67 ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Can you look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?825350 this] for me? Looks like the author of that single story tried to add Neuer Stern 67 but... that's one weird title on the whole magazine. And then there is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?854606 this one] as well - is this a fanzine or magazine? Any chance you can find something in the German blogs/publisher site/something to get these up to shape or at least to make that first one less ugly and figure out the type if nothing else? Thanks in advance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:25, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry, but I can't find anything about the correct title (the weird part might be part of the title, but our conventions would imply to have the fanzine's (!!!) title first, I'd think). One thing I was able to find is that it's really a sort of newsletter for the club, so definitely a fanzine. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:56, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Google translate tells me that "lub hnub qub tshiab" is "New Star" in Hmong (which may or may not be the truth - Google Translate is getting better but some languages are more challenging for it and I know nothing about Hmong to be able to do some checks). But "Neuer Stern" is the same in German. So I wonder if it was not a Hmong issue or something? But yep - under our rules magazine/fanzine generic title is always first in the title. The only thing I can find is [https://www.scifinet.org/scifinetboard/index.php/blog/64/entry-9817-neuer-stern-66-67-roboter-frankenstein-elstercon/ this] which confirms the story being there but does not have anything about Hmong. Thanks for checking! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 06:11, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Nice find! I'd think that the editor(s) searched for an exotic translation of New Star / Neuer Stern and put that one into the title to puzzle the readership (which worked!). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:13, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: That would also explain why I see nothing Hmong related in the issue description/contents. I had not seen the editor who adds these around lately but I will leave them a note as well and maybe we will get to the bottom of all this. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:40, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Feinde im Weltall? und andere Novellen ==<br />
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Hello Christian, <br />
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Need a German eye for a second. Is the price [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?402542 here] ℳ1.00 or is there something else happening with this - at the end (1907 will make it the Gold Mark so I am pretty sure about the currency but if that is also not it, let me know? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:08, 16 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Yes, it should be ℳ1.00, which was valid from 1871 until 1914. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:16, 17 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:39, 17 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Wiktor Piwowarow ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Our [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?335724 Pivovarov] is definitely not the [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2,_%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80_%D0%90%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B4%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87 sportsman] but the [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2,_%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80_%D0%94%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87 painter]. :) I fixed the link to Wiki and his legal name. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:53, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Ah, yes. Thanks Annie, it didn't occur to me that there might be two Pivovarovs (well, it might, if I'd be able to really read Russian - not only decipher most letters). I just wondered why the Wikipedia had the year of birth as 1957 and not 1937. Thanks for the correction, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:46, 22 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: There are actually [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2,_%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80 5 of them] that were important enough to have articles - just one relevant to us though (funnily enough 3 of them are born in the same year making it even more confusing if you cannot read the descriptions). Feel free to ping me if you need someone to assist with my languages. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:59, 22 November 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Will do! Thanks again, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:05, 22 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Metropolis ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/metropolis0000lang; Saw you did some Metropolis edits after my recent edits; have you seen this? Says Second Printing 1981. --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:43, 27 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Yeah, your Fritz Lang update triggered the 'Metropolis' conversion to SHORTFICTION / CHAPBOOK, a thing that I became aware of quite a while ago (but forgot about it, working on other things). I saw the second printing of 1981, but am not sure if it's the hc or the tp that is reprinted (the second seems more likely, but you never know). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:52, 27 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Currency question: Peter Schlemihl's wundersame Geschichte ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?646729 this one]. Can we safely write "Taler 1.25" or is there something else going on with this currency that will require a different format? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:01, 3 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Ah, I see the problem of the double space. I've updated the record to Taler 1.25. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:44, 4 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Ministry for the Future title & pub dates ==<br />
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Hi Christian, I'm curious why you've zeroed out the day-of-the-month for the title and several pubs of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2772326 The Ministry for the Future]? Whilst I appreciate that "street dates" often don't match the official pub dates, AFAIK [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Date policy] is to use the official date, and - again AFAIK - the dates listed by Amazon, Kobo, etc for the digital pubs should definitely be accurate to when those products became available to download.<br />
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Losing this info is unhelpful for some projects I've been mulling over (but haven't actually gotten around to implementing, sigh):<br />
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* Analysing peak weeks-of-the-year for pubs - flattening everything to a 28-31 day period would make this less accurate<br />
* Doing cross-checks between the data in ISFDB versus the data I've locally scraped from various sites, to check for errors, delays, etc<br />
* Potentially looking for discrepancies in Tuesday vs Thursday pubs to see if stuff has been allocated to the wrong publisher (e.g. Tor US vs UK, Orbit US vs UK). In itself, this wouldn't be reliable, and would likely have lots of false positives (seems like lots of UK ebooks come out on Tuesdays to match the US), but in conjunction with other signals like currency or ISBN range, might help to prioritize the most likely to be errors.<br />
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Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 11:06, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:The available (per Amazon's look inside) copyright statements only speak of 'October 2020', thus - as a policy - we use this as the official publication date (since it is the stated one: official statement ruling out a vendor's statement). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:11, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: But by that logic, loads of recent UK pubs should be submitted with a yyyy-00-00 date, because the info on the copyright page doesn't go to a more granular level than the year? (I have just double checked this with a bunch of recent-ish UK books from big 5 imprints, most of which were first printings, and all just had the year listed.) <br />
::: There's a difference, in that those statements mostly have a copyright statement, not a statement for a publication date. {{unsigned|Stonecreek}}<br />
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:: Also, I'm not sure that details from the copyright page of one pub merit changing the details for other pubs, especially if they are from (arguably) different publishers? The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5193936 UK hc] doesn't have a Look Inside preview on Amazon .com, .co.uk or .de, and the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?795201 UK ebook] only states a year per [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ministry-Future-Kim-Stanley-Robinson-ebook/dp/B08C5DWVRK/ the Amazon preview]. (As an aside, the edits mean that the note on that ebook pub are no longer correct w.r.t. price) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 12:13, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::: Well, in the hc case, the kindle edition states 'Originally published in hardcover and ebook by Orbit in October 2020'. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:12, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
: As long as they are properly sourced, removing dates based on copyright statement is IMO database vandalism. Christian, please stop doing that. We date books based on ALL sources - if we can date exactly based on publisher/seller site and we can add a note on that source, we should not remove the date because the book only mentions the month (or the year). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:00, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:: PS: All dates had been restored as per the sources in their notes. Adding a note that "OCLC only lists the month" or whatever else note you want to add to specify that some other sites specify something different if you want but please stop removing data from the DB and leaving the notes in a state that does not match the data in the listed sources. Thanks! I really hope you had not been doing that on other books and thus destroying data in the DB consistently. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:13, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::: One more note. Look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?791721 this one]. We have a PV who left the date. They even left a note explaining the source of the date (Amazon.com). And yet you changed the date leaving the note incorrect <br />
:::* Should have not happened on a PV'd book at all - you don't "fix" other people's data without talking to them based on what you think the data should look like.<br />
:::* Leaving the date and the note not matching makes this a really bad edit - even if the data loss was not. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:20, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) The issue of using YYYY-MM-00 date values taken from copyright pages over more precise YYYY-MM-DD date values from other sources was debated back in 2006-2007 when ISFDB 2.0 was launched. At the time, the majority of editors believed that exact publication dates used by Amazon and other online booksellers were unreliable and did not necessarily represent actual publication dates. This resulted in a convoluted process of capturing the exact (YYYY-MM-DD) pre-publication date from Amazon, using it to generate the "Select Forthcoming Books" list on the front page, then changing the date to a YYYY-MM-00 date printed in the book when the publication was verified. To the best of my recollection, this practice was abandoned in the mid-2010s and we decided to keep the more precise YYYY-MM-DD date when its source is properly documented in Notes. It's similar to the way we add and document other types of information -- like cover artist names -- from secondary sources.<br />
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I don't think the old, abandoned, method is documented anywhere in Help, but, based on the discussion above, I suspect that Christian may be still using it. Does this make sense, Christian? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:38, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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Having said that, changing primary-verified publications like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?791721 this one] without consulting the verifier and leaving records in an inconsistent state is not acceptable and something that the reviewing moderator would normally be expected to catch. Since you are a self-approver, the responsibility to enforce ISFDB conventions and keep records self-consistent falls on you. Please make sure this doesn't happen again or else it will jeopardize your self-approver status. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:30, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Yeah, I was using the consenus you refer to, and it must have been debated even after 2007 (because I wasn't around then). The verifier hasn't been around for almost a year, and had the contradictory dates (stated month within the publication vs. day stated by a vendor). The consensus still is - to the best of my knowledge - that Amazon is not a reliable bibliographical source per se, and we use the dates in those cases where we don't have a more reliable source (for example the copyright page of a given publication). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:56, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: I ducked out of this conversation because I spent some time digging through old rules and standards archives to see if this had previously been discussed. I believe [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive11#Stated_publication_date_vs._actual_publication_date.3F this exchange from 2012] might be what Ahasuerus is referring to? My reading of that discussion was that Christian's changes could certainly be interpreted as in line with that discussion, but also that that discussion was based on presumptions that might no longer be as valid as they were, at least in the context of new (2015+) books and/or downloaded media? I haven't yet run across any discussion that might relate to "this practice was abandoned in the mid-2010s", but my ability to go through years of R&S discussion has its limits ;-)<br />
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::: Re. "the contradictory dates (stated month within the publication vs. day stated by a vendor", personally I don't believe that "Published in yyyy" or "Published in monthname yyyy" in a primary source is contradicted by secondary sources that list a particular yyyy-mm-dd value - Where the yyyy and mm match up, of course - and that if we have reasonable sources for the yyyy-mm-dd, these should be used, and that these shouldn't be replaced by yyyy-mm-00 values unless there's a good reason, and if so, that reason (and the original yyyy-mm-dd value) should be documented in the title/pub note? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 08:12, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:::: Sounds a reasonable way to deal with it: I do know of some (German) publishers that do their deals first - directly - with their customers and/or special 'hardware' book shops (those that one actually can step into), and make it available only after that to online (or other) vendors. So, I recall that the date stated with Amazon was assumed to be the one that a publication was made available there (nothing more, nothing less). This has lead to the above statement that we enter this date when there's nothing better available to us (and that'd be the case for many new publications upon entering them). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:25, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::::: Amazon is not reliable for dates on OLD books - as in pre-2009 maybe and books that only have listings from external vendors. Things had changed since then. Multiple times. These days Amazon.com for new US books and Amazon UK for new UK ones, especially when they are from major publishers and when the publishers don’t move the dates are pretty reliable for dates. Plus there were multiple sources listed on the UK books here - all of which you just ignored :) The US ones may not have been listed but they are easily foundable and all agree on the date. Assuming that both me and John did not verify the dates when adding these books was arrogant (and how any of that logic for hardcovers applies to Audio books and eBooks that you also changed is a mystery). Let’s not use the German practices for dating US/UK books going forward. Plus as I said - for some of those Amazon was not the only source and “I assumed so” without bothering to check the publisher site or anything else is never a good reason to delete data. If you are not sure about a practice in a different country, please ask - don’t just assume it matches Germany. As i had to correct another publication “fixed” like that by you, i have a suspicion that we are looking at another cleanup efforts to cleanup after your edits… Maybe you need to spend some time with the help pages and refresh your ideas in how the site rules had changed in the last 10 years or so? That’s not the first time you are applying rules which had been out of use for a decade (dating of variants come to mind). :) <br />
::::: Anything else I can assist clarifying around dating of English language books? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:15, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:::::: PS: The short version of the request here: The basic rule for blanking a date (or any other data really) should be "is there a reason not to trust the date?" and not "oh, I don't trust dates so I will always remove them" which seems to have happened here and elsewhere. More data is better than less data so unless you have a reason to think an already added date is incorrect, leave it in place, please. Especially of there is a source (or 4) corroborating. Thanks! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:00, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::::::: Sorry, Annie, but none of your statements refer to the consensus that seems to still hold: we use the officially stated date of publication, when we have one available. And that the one stated at Amazon (or another source) isn't the official date was made clear: nowadays it is the date of distribution (for Amazon). If you could point me (and us) to the argumentational thread where the consensus mentioned above was changed, I'd be most grateful. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:13, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:::::::: That's not the practice OR the consensus. We date books based on all available sources and document our sources. We don't throw away sources and data because Stonecreek don't trust them (and don't want to do a search to verify them). Please stop removing dates on books where there is no suspicion on when the book was actually published. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:32, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::::::::: Yes, it is: per the discussion from 2012 referred to above this ''is'' (or was then) the consensus. Even more, the help for entering the date of publication explicitly says what to use: ''For books, to identify the publication date, try to find a statement (often on the verso of the title page) that says something like "Published in June 2001"''; the exception referred to after that statement is only for later printings. So, what else is there as a point for deviating from that? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:49, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:::::::::: Removing valid data is never acceptable. If you change them back and delete the data again, I will restore it again as we have a valid source to corroborate the exact date. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:35, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) Christian, if you disagree with a moderator's interpretation of the data entry rules, using your self-approver privileges to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title_history.cgi?2970434 undo the moderator's edits] is a completely unacceptable way to go about resolving the disagreement. It just starts an "edit war", which should never happen here. This is not what the self-approver status was created for; additional instances of this behavior or ''any'' other abuse of the privileges will result in their termination.<br />
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The right way to resolve this issue would be to post your arguments on the Moderator Noticeboard. If the subsequent discussion warrants it, we may take it to the Rules and Standards board.<br />
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BTW, to check the current practice, I have compiled a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_month&O_1=exact&TERM_1=2021-01&C=AND&USE_2=pub_ver_date&O_2=contains&TERM_2=2021&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication list of primary-verified publications published in January 2021]. Out of 126 pubs, only 30 (14 of them are magazines) have 2021-01-00 dates. The rest have full 2021-01-DD dates.<br />
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Re: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive11#Stated_publication_date_vs._actual_publication_date.3F the 2012 Rules and Standards discussion], it ended with MartyD planning to come up with new Help language and post it for further discussion, which, as far as I can tell, never happened. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:02, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Well, the help page - referred to above - states it the way we overcame to in the discussion, regardless if the help was changed afterward: if not, it appears the discussion ensured the text. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:41, 13 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Alte DSFP Nominierungen == <br />
Wow, Super, danke Dir für Deinen hilfreichen Links hier! (ch switche hier einfach mal ins Deutsch, wenn okay?)! Ich muss mich da echt mal einlesen und habe ja als ersten Projekt den DSFP nachzutragen, da warst du ja selber im Komitee! Paar Angaben auf der Webseite stimmen wohl nicht (copy & paste Fehler beim Übertrag der der Vorjahre) aber die ersten Preise sollten ich seit 1985 haben. Gibt es evt. irgendwo ein Archiv, wo man tatsächlich noch die alten Platzieren herausfinden kann? DANKE! --[[User:Jannis|Jannis]] 06:18, 16 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Hi, and welcome to my talk page! <br />
: If you don't mind, I do prefer to write in English, though you may ask in German, if you aren't sure how to phrase things. The reason is that this is a site for which the work is done in English, and other editors may have difficulties to read and understand other languages (and it may become tedious to translate things from one language into the other and back - which may be needed in case of information relevant to ISFDB).<br />
: Having said this, I will try and help you with the award if I can. Alas, there seems to be no online archive for the older nominations, but I'll try and take a look into my magazine & nonfiction stack, if there's more information to be found there (though for the very first year - 1985 - there was nothing to be found so far). Do you have any access to old issues of the magazine / fanzine "Andromeda Nachrichten"? The nominations should be listed there, if anywhere! And may I ask you about your background and how you did find out about me (because I think my being with the comitee was not communicated far and wide)? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:36, 16 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Sure, switching back to English, no worries! Btw is this the way the right method to directly communicate here? And sorry, I hope it's not spoiling a secret, because it's stated on the open NOVA website: https://nova-sf.de/eine-site and sadly no access to "Andromeda" :( Next task: I must add some info about my<elf on my page here :) [[User:Jannis|Jannis]] 11:42, 16 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: Yes, this is the right way to communicate with the single members / editors of ISFDB. One more quite important page may be the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk Help Desk] where you can ask anything that you may find puzzling about entering or ensuring data. <br />
::: If you like you may also want to add information to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?318201 your summary page]. How to? Just click 'Edit Author Data' on the left tool bar, listed under 'Editing Tools'. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:25, 16 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:::: Hi Christian, thanks for your support for "Wetzlar". I added in the last days the 2023 DSFP & KLP winners (still in the moderation list to be approved). Then I wanted to look out for the old DSFP winners. BR [[User:Jannis|Jannis]] ([[User talk:Jannis|talk]]) 08:35, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Moderator Noticeboard discussion of the Perry Rhodan changes ==<br />
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Could you please review [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Unverifying_publications this discussion on the Moderator Noticeboard], which is related to these Perry Rhodan changes? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:11, 22 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== 2001: Uma odisseia no espaço ==<br />
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I see that you have edited [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?664749 2001: Uma odisseia no espaço], a primary-verified publication, after asking the primary verifier on 2022-01-27 and also asking for feedback on the Community Portal. Seeking consensus is always good a thing, but let me remind you what I wrote [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:AlainLeBris#Stalker on AlainLeBris]'s Talk page on 2022-01-21:<br />
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: Christian, it's been less than 24 hours since your original questions were posted. Please do not edit publications primary-verified by active editors without their consent. If you believe that a verifier has made a mistake, e.g. a name was misspelled, and the verifier does not respond to your inquiry after a week, post your findings on the Moderator Noticeboard. To quote the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#What_if_I_want_to_make_a_change_in_a_verified_publication_record.3F ISFDB FAQ]:<br />
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:* If you want to change or remove information, please ask the verifier first. If the verifier doesn't respond in a week or so, post a note on the [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard|Moderator noticeboard]] and someone will help you.<br />
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: This is the standard procedure and all editors are expected to follow it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:15, 21 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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Again, this is the standard process and all editors are expected to follow it, yet your edits have repeatedly gone against the process over the last few weeks. If you do not follow the process again, your self-approver privileges will be revoked. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 14:29, 28 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Okay, thanks, I'll do my very best! I hope I'll not be carried away again trying to help things making better. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:40, 28 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Cover art credit for Science-Fiction-Stories 79 ==<br />
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Christian, I've added the cover credit for Rich Sternbach to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?642914 Science-Fiction-Stories 79] as it's a variant of a Galaxy cover of his. I modified the comment about the indecipherable signature to note that the art has been flipped. Martin--[[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] 10:21, 3 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Many thanks, Martin! Great find! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:44, 3 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== {{P|632555|Bruder der Gorgonen}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, on the cover is a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/8/8f/Greenaway_peter_van-bruder_der_gorgonen_sig.jpg signature], maybe you can read them. Regards [[User:Henna|Henna]] 14:01, 15 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry, Henna, but I remember having spent some time to identify this artwork upon verifying the publication but couldn't decipher it either. The artist's style also didn't ring a bell. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:35, 16 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Als der Weihnachtsmann vom Himmel fiel ==<br />
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Can you check the ISBN [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?876827 here]? It is a bit too late for ISBN-10 and if it is indeed the only one printed (being a reprint and all), a note explaining that should be added. :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:36, 15 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:With this being only a transient verification, I do assume that this is most likely a cloning error. I'll update the ISBN. Thanks for finding this, Annie! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:31, 16 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Bardioc ==<br />
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After your latest edits, the link [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?553981 in the notes here] is not valid anymore. Can you find out where it is supposed to link now? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:25, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:It must have been defunct before, since I didn't do anything with it. Fixed. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:00, 18 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Possibly. :) But it needed fixing and you had been around the title so had a better chance to figure it out than me starting from scratch :) Thanks for fixing it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:02, 18 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Ring of Thoth ==<br />
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Regarding {{T|1094940}}: Variants are dated based on the first appearance under that title and author credit. 1890 was the original appearance of the story, not the original appearance of this variant. Doyle was knighted in 1902 so any credit with Sir has to be after that date. I have restored the prior date. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:06, 27 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Juvenile flags ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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A gentle reminder that if a story is marked as juvenile, you also need to mark all chapbooks which contain it as juvenile (and vice versa). A few of your additions and updates in the last weeks showed up on the discrepancy report (and are now fixed) but please keep that in mind. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:11, 2 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks, Annie, will try to think of it in the future! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:37, 3 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== {{T|2374871|Fabeln aus künftigen Jahren, in denen die Menschen in unterirdischen Bunkern leben werden}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, is this the same text like in ''Zeitschleifen''?<br />
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Ein Ingenieur hat geschrieben, daß sich die Felsen in der Umgebung von Prag zum Bau von unterirdischen Bunkern für die Prager Bevölkerung eignen.<br />
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''Im Zeitalter der unterirdischen Bunker''<br />
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Wenn man überlegt, daß die frühere Menschheit ihre Behausungen über der Erde gebaut hat! Welch primitive Zeiten das doch waren!<br />
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Thanks for looking it up [[User:Henna|Henna]] 12:54, 8 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Yes, it is: it is even stated as taken from the anthology ''Zeitschleifen''. Thanks! Christian<br />
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::Thanks again [[User:Henna|Henna]] 08:25, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== 7. & 8. Reise ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I think in {{P|552030|7. & 8. Reise}} the date 1961 for the two stories is wrong. Regards [[User:Henna|Henna]] 11:22, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Sure! I do wonder how I got to this date. Strange things seem to happen... Thanks for finding this! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:51, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Das Killer-Ding ==<br />
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Cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?390487 this] is by Angus McKie. It's a mirror image of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21342 Manalone]. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:41, 11 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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Thanks! Great find! I'll add the information. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:28, 11 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Welcome template ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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If you are going to be posting these, please do that properly: it is <nowiki>{{subst:welcome}}</nowiki> and not just <nowiki>{{welcome}}</nowiki> as the page for it [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:Welcome very clearly states]. Otherwise you make it VERY hard for an editor to answer or figure our why their page appears to be locked (as the direct call opens the template, NOT the local version). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:09, 17 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Aera: The Return of the Ancient Gods (part 7) ==<br />
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As you did this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4929481 edit], can you please clarify where you got this title ("Aera: The Return of the Ancient Gods (part 7)" from? <br />
:* The "Look Inside" shows "Episode 7" clearly. <br />
:* The cover has just "7" - which is technically irrelevant due to the title page being available.<br />
:* Our rules for naming of serials are very clear: "If the title of a SERIAL installment is unique, e.g. "Butterflies in the Kremlin, Part Eight: As the Bear Turns" or "Ciężki bój (cz. 1)", then use the full form of the title."<br />
:* Even if the title page did not contain a unique title, the rules would not have created your title: "If, on the other hand, the title is shared by at least one other SERIAL installment of the work, append a space and a parenthetical statement such as "(Part 1 of 3)" to the title."<br />
So where is your title coming from? Changing titles from valid titles to invalid ones (which you may prefer) is not a good idea. The lack of notification to the editors that had worked on that title is also a bad idea (and you had been reminded of the common courtesy expectations before - although this being an oldish edit, it probably was before that). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:45, 17 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Guess I had only the rule for the parenthetical statement in mind as valid. Sorry! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:47, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Variant title dates ==<br />
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Hi Christian, I see you're still changing variant title dates to the date of the original, see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5266880 here]. Please try to remember the date should be that of the first appearance of the variant. Also, do you have any idea where the 1972 date of the original comes from? There's no note explaining this. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 16:55, 20 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:I'll add the corresponding publication this week. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:38, 21 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: It is always a good idea to add notes on dates provenances (or any other pieces of data but dates in titles are often disconnected from books like here) if you are not adding the book supporting it immediately. If that title with this date had been submitted for moderation, you would have been asked for the source so a note can be added. As Self-approver, the expectation is the same. We all have plans but life happens and things get missed and forgotten so let’s try not to have any data added without notes on its provenance? Can you add a quick note explaining that date? You can remove it when/if you add the book later. Thanks in advance. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:58, 21 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Riesenvögel kommen ==<br />
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Ho there, Christian! Can you tell me what [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2226371 this] is about? Does it say what the original article was? Thanks.--[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 20:10, 7 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:I'm afraid it doesn't. It's about a new generation of giant airplanes. I can't find a corresponding title with that meaning with the Bob Woods page, but I guess it doesn't have to have appeared necessarily in "Future" / "Future Life". (We don't have the initial publications of Chaffee's artwork - depicting two to-be-developed airplanes - either; it's even possible that this is a first publication). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:47, 8 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Geheimprojekt Venus ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I have a problem with this pub {{P|370748|Geheimprojekt Venus}}. In the notes is a wrong parent title and the digest should have this copyright text:<br />
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„Abenteuer im Weltenraum“ – erscheint 14täglich im Alfons Semrau Verlag, Hamburg 4, Heiligengeistfeld, Hochhaus 2. Fernruf 3120 76. Alle Rechte vorbehalten. Alleinauslieferung: Alfons Semrau Verlag, Hamburg 4. '''Printed in West-Germany 1958'''. Für unverlangt eingesandte Manuskripte wird keine Gewähr übernommen. Rücksendung nur gegen Rückporto. Gesamtherstellung: Nordland-Druck GmbH., Lüneburg.<br />
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Please take a look. Many thanks [[User:Henna|Henna]] 14:31, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Rencontre avec Ovaron ==<br />
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Hi Christian. Concerning [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5286359 this edit] that made the publication show up on the "Title Dates after Publication Dates" cleanup report. I asked Linguist to check, see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Linguist#Rencontre_avec_Ovaron here]. First, you should not have changed the date without asking/informing the primary verifier. Second, his answer makes it clear that your "correction" was wrong. Do we need another cleanup report? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 10:10, 18 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
Ps, see also the cleanup report [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?33 Publication Authors That Are Not the Title Author]. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 11:24, 18 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Well, [https://www.perrypedia.de/wiki/Perry_Rhodan_franz%C3%B6sisch#Band_188_.E2.80.93_215 Perrypedia] has the date as March, this is why I changed the date. (I planned to order a copy, but didn't do that before the beginning of my holidays - I now have). I do assume that this source is more dependable than taking the date of printing. I'll bring this to Linguist's attention. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]]<br />
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== Die Schwerter von Zinjaban ==<br />
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Did I err in approving the author change, I was just about to change the pub and write a note to the verifier. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:02, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Hi, already answered on your talk page. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:05, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Any thoughts why the English language editions credit both, but not the German? (Amazon Look inside available on UK edition). 09:10, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Likely because Catherine Crook de Camp was at the time almost unknown to German readers, and because all other titles in the series were published as by Lyon Sprague alone. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:17, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Thanks for your help, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:18, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Golem 100 ==<br />
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Hello Christian. Cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?414786 this] is not Oliviero Berni as the publication credits but Terry Oakes. The artwork is depicted in Steven Eisler's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1769794 The Alien Worlds] and credited to Oakes in the Acknowledgement on p.96 of that book. I'm going to make the change and note it. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 07:47, 6 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Yes, do so, please. During the first half of the 1980s this publisher had real difficulties to give the right credits for the respective cover art. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:57, 6 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::I've made the changes and edited the notes. I pretty much had a feeling it was Terry Oakes. I just had to find the book it was illustrated in and check the credits. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 14:08, 6 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Yeah: it ''could'' have been by Berni but is nevertheless somewhat different from his usual style. Thanks again, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:26, 7 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Variant title dates. Again and again ==<br />
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Was [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5325685 this edit] really necessary? As has been told to you a number of times, the date of a variant title should be that of the first appearance of the variant. In this case, interior art is not the same as cover art. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 04:07, 24 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Well, it ''is'' exactly the same artwork (title & language) as the cover art, and it ''does'' look more strange that both works are dated differently. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:25, 24 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Again Christian? Re-read [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Stonecreek/Archive4#Changing_dates_of_variant_art_titles this discussion] where in the end you promised to follow the consensus. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 07:31, 24 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: I did. Dealt with: of course, the pre-dating to 1981 was correct. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:44, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: So nothing is changed. You still read only what you want to read. Explain to me why we have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?275 this cleanup report] exactly for this kind of error. I will not have the same discussion with you over and over again. You were wrong, and you still are wrong. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 02:31, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: It would help if you do read the notes for a title. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:42, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: I did. Again, interior art is not the same as cover art. The variant (interior art) must not have the date of the parent (coverart). And again, if you want to change the consensus, discuss it on the rules & standards page, do not impose your private rules on others. Remember the last time you were so stubborn cost you the moderator flag. Do you want to lose the self approver status too? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 02:52, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: Sorry, but it appears you want to change the consensus: the note refers to the first known publication as interior art (there may have been a previous one, and even more contemporary publications). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:31, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::: You're totally confusing now. Do you mean you forgot to add the interior art to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?367225 this publication], or is there another 1981 pub not yet in the database or do you see an invisible 1981 pub under [this title]? Is it october or december? and where did you find (please, a link to that discussion) consensus to add an earlier date to a variant title? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:12, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::: I do mean a separate publication not in the database: virtually all publishers issued regular catalogues of available & new (= soon to be published) titles, wherein the older titles usually just got listed but the new ones were prominently featured with their cover images; Heyne did publish those twice a year (in April and October), immediately predating their new Winter and new Summer program. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:12, 26 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::: So that's your new excuse? Didn't think about discussing the idea first did you? May I draw your attention to the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Contents_never_included rules of acquisition] under advertising? I don't think such a catalog counts as a publication. If you want that, discuss it first.<br />
:::::::::: To recapitulate, first you change the date to december 1981 with no note in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5325685 this edit], and when I challenge the validity of that edit you change it to october 1981 with a cryptic note [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5326497 here] I.m.o. against the rules of acquisition. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 03:41, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::::: They're quite obviously pieces of nonfiction that would have to be put into [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?42599 this series], though it's debatable if the publications are eligible (with the departments on sf taking about one seventh to one sixth): I do intend to use them as such, since they do provide information on publication history. But if you do like to change our rules of notation of first publications of titles when published within nongenre titles, please do open a discussion: there are masses of nongenre essays published within newspapers by above-the-threshold authors that would need a recalibration of notes and dates. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:59, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::::: Let me rephrase the question then. Do you want to use a publisher's advertisement of a publication to date a piece of interiorart when the rules state "No advertising of any kind is indexed". A simple yes or no please. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 07:13, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::::::: Let me repeat my answer: those are pieces of nonfiction, not advertisements: there are some ads to be found inside, for example for the next (expected) bestselling book or featuring the works of a certain bestselling author (say, Colleen McCullough), but these works were also to be found inside the alphabetical listing, which was a listing of (soon-to-be) available book titles. (We are speaking of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalog catalogues], i. e. works of reference, also known as special types of nonfiction).<br />
::::::::::::: (Let me add that it's not okay to come up with nibbling at long-established series when the consequences don't serve one own's preferences.) Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:30, 29 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) I give up on you. You can't even answer a simple yes or no question. You're incapable of admitting you're wrong in anything (see your first answer "it ''does'' look more strange that both works are dated differently" is totally against the consensus). I won't bother you anymore with things like this and take it directly to the community. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 05:19, 31 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Let me remark that you would just have needed to read the answer directly before your question and you wouldn't had have to ask.<br />
: 'You're incapable of admitting you're wrong in anything': it does seem there is also somebody else writing here in this thread ;-). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:48, 1 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Amok ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Boskar Boskar] has confirmed that Atelier Ingrid Schütz is only credited with cover design. Do you have additional information that caused you to credit cover art on the three unverified publications? Let me know if you prefer to make the changes or I will do it. 08:11, 29 May 2022 (EDT). This was me. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:48, 29 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Who's writing this (please don't forget to sign your comments / questions) and what publications are you referring to? If this has to do with the latest additions to 'Richard Bachman' books published by Heyne: I have seen the credits with printings other than those already in the database. If you prefer I'll do a transient verification for those and fill in the missing notes later when I can lay my hands on the publicatiuons again. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:24, 29 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Ryan North's How to Invent Everything - nonfiction vs novel ==<br />
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Hi, I see you changed this title from non-fiction to novel a couple of years ago [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4777827]. I've just finished reading this, and whilst I don't think it's 100% unambiguous, I'd definitely consider it to be non-fiction rather than a novel. The time-travel aspect is just a framing conceit for the non-fiction elements that comprise the core content - although without that framing, I guess this book would be ineligible for inclusion here, so it's not irrelevant.<br />
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The closest thing I could think of to try to find a precedent for how to characterise this was in-universe fact books such as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?31475 The Dune Encyclopedia], and I see that is also classed as non-fiction.<br />
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Also, I think you added the synopsis for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2601713 the title record]? At least for the British edition, that description isn't quite right - it's presented as a manufacturer's manual for a time machine to cover the event the time machine breaks down in the past, and the foreword implies it was written by an alternate-timeline version of the author working in the position of technical writer, not as a stranded time traveller.<br />
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Are you OK if I change the title type and synopsis accordingly? Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 10:24, 4 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: My changes were based on the three German reviews, but mainly on the one by Kathrin Passig & Aleks Scholz, which was the most extensive one (I haven't read the book itself). <br />
: But if there's a framing story please do consider it being a novel: we have other titles judged for inclusion just on the framing (for example [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?874803 this one], which has Death as telling the otherwise non-speculative story). But in the end: please change to your insight. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:35, 5 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks. I have switched the types of the titles and pubs, and expanded the title synopsis and note to (hopefully) explain why the book is categorized as it is. Something I should have been clearer on in my comment above, is that there aren't any characters, plot or other elements that (conventionally) are part of a story, hence me wanting to classify it as non-fic.<br />
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:: Cheers [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 16:34, 8 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Okay. It's just that I understand the rules (and the meaning) for non-fiction to be non-fictional. We have masses of texts that also don't have any of those elements, but are classified (rightly so) as fiction; here are some examples: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?845711 Space Mail] (an anthology of fictional letters), synopsises & fictional biographies, and the likely most extreme, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?57594 The Index], for which the title describes the form exactly, but is nonetheless a piece of fiction. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:52, 9 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Caldwell ==<br />
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https://www.amazon.co.uk/TM-Caldwell/e/B00T0RFEG4/ref=ntt_athr_dp_pel_11; I suspected these much later stories were by a different Caldwell, and they were; this Caldwell's a woman. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:12, 12 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks! I'll adapt accordingly. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:42, 12 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Falcons of Narabedla and the self-approver status ==<br />
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Please see the outcome of the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Falcons_of_Narabedla Falcons of Narabedla discussion on the Community portal]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:48, 14 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Falken von Narabedla / Die Späher ==<br />
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Please check the final sentence of Die Falken von Narabedla in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?551087 Terra Nova 181] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?901149 Die Späher]. Are they a translation of the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1946 1957 Other Worlds version] or the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3040549 1964 expanded version]. The notes of both publication state ©1964, so the second is most likely. The final sentence of both versions are in the respective notefields. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:59, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks for the idea, but I asked Mavmaramis to have a go at an independent word count estimate, which will help to determine the length of the later version. If both versions turn out to be novellas it has to be discussed if they shouldn't be merged anyway. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:14, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Christian, if you want to keep frustrating things, I'll just assume they are both the 1964 expanded edition, confirmed in your pub notes. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:40, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::Hello Willem! The last sentence of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?551087 Terra Nova 181] is ''Ich holte tief Atem und legte meinen Arm um Cynaras Schultern. Dann rief ich Adric, auf das er das Glück mit mir teile.'' and translated ''I drew a deep breath and put my arm around Cynara's shoulders. Then I called Adric to share the happiness with me.'' Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 17:56, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Yes, Rudolf's right and the ending for the version in "Die Späher" also fits the 1964 version. It's just that it still seems to be a novella, see my comments at the Community Portal and at Mavmaramis'. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:09, 16 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Thanks. I'll move both to the 1964 edition. For you Christian, it is established that the two versions are very different. See the notes from Ahasuerus. Even if the expanded edition were a novella, the two should never be merged. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:58, 16 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Okay, maybe i thought in the beginning that the texts were (almost) identical. Sorry for that. I also tend to think that we shouldn't have two texts with the same title type that tell the same story. We have established that for many novels, I think, in adding notes. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:40, 17 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== FYI ==<br />
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Hello Christian! We disagree about this title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?382535 DAS GROSSE SPIEL] and I don't fancy an edit war. Therefore I‘ll introduce our difference in the Rules and Standards portal and open for discussion. Regards Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 05:11, 16 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks, Rudolf! I'll reply there. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:05, 16 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Puppe Maggie Moneyeyes ==<br />
I'm just clearing my own DB and linking to ISFDB. I got a problem with Chapter 2<br><br />
"13 • Vorwort: Wie Science Fiction mich vor einem Verbrecherleben bewahrte • essay by Harlan Ellison (trans. of Foreword: How Science Fiction Saved Me from a Life of Crime 1967)",<br><br />
Author Harlan Ellison; Nevertheless, at the end of the chapter it is signed by<br>Ellison Wonderland<br>Hollywood, California<br>September 1966<br><br />
I'm aware of the book/title "Ellison Wonderland", and I'aware of the fact, that Harlan writes about himself.<br><br />
Should "Ellison Wonderland" beeing introduced as a pseudonym of Harlan Ellison?<br />
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: Hi! I don't think so, the author for collections is typically only stated on the spine, the cover and the title page, and we use the credit on the title page for all of the contents written by the respective author. Plus: "Ellison Wonderland" seems to me more likely to be the name of a place, like "Graceland" was the name Elvis Presley had chosen for his mansion. Hope that helps. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:33, 18 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== To Say Nothing of the Dog duplicate records ==<br />
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Please see [[User_talk:Willem_H.#To_Say_Nothing_of_the_Dog_duplicate_records|this conversation]]. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:54, 9 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks for the hint, I have unverified mine and will delete it: it was in fact verified later than the other one (on 2011-05-05). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:30, 9 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?907277 ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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You dropped "Editor: Stefan Bauer." from the notes in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?907277 this one]. Was that on purpose or did it go by mistake while clearing the previous line? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:56, 22 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:This was on purpose, it was a relic from the first edition and is not stated within the new one. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:08, 30 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: OK then :) A moderator note mentioning that is always helpful when this happens - otherwise you may be getting a lot of notes making sure that a line was not removed by mistake. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:22, 1 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Notes, notes, notes ==<br />
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Hello again :) <br />
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Can you please at least add a note on the source when adding new publications such as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?908987 this one] - even if you are not adding the complete set of notes yet. I know you will get back to it BUT a new editor will see that and assume no notes on non-verified new publications is ok and life can get a bit tricky sometimes so these may stay like that for a long time. I approved the ones on the board but... please remember to add just a rudimentary note on the sources (even if it ends up being a throwaway later when you expand) or verify on addition. Thanks for the understanding! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:30, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Will do (at least add something rudimaentary): In this case I wasn't sure if there's a 'Report' in it or not, so I decided to add the complete notes upon the dawning of knowledge. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:15, 3 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Figured that there is something like that happening. But at the very least "data from source" or "issue added based on advertisement in issue X" or something like that is helpful. Thanks! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:18, 3 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Photos and Interiorart ==<br />
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Hello Christian! I have a query. You want to add two photos in this pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?384702 Die Guerillas von Terrania] as new regular titles and labeled them as interiorart. I don't remember that photos are classified as interiorart. Where did you found this rule? Thanks in advance for your assistance. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 11:54, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Well, I've seen plenty of them added lately (for example for The New York Times / [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?899369 The New York Times Book Review] (which isn't even a genre magazine), so I do think it's okay to add them for genre publications. <br />
: Like the inclusion of excerpts meant as ads for upcoming novels (which weren't regularly included when we began), this policy also seems to have changed over time. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:53, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::Thanks for pointing out that it has already been accepted. Now, I' m surprised, despite the fact that the guidelines don't specify it that way. It states that photographs of authors are not included. If so, the policy need to be rewritten. I'll put this up for discussion. Thanks again for your reference. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 09:05, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::It seems that according to the previous rules, the PV alone can decide if he labels photographs as interiorart. Sorry for the belate approve.Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 11:17, 11 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: No problem at all, Rudolf! I'd also wish that the rules would be more explicit for photos. I decided to include them in this case since they were taken by Hubert Haensel, an above-the -threshold author. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:24, 11 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Titanic Magazine ==<br />
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I question [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5383512 this submission] changing the date of the rollup from 2022-00-00. The year only date is standard practice. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:27, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: It doesn't seem to be: this only seems to be standard practice if there's only one editorial credit for a given year, otherwise it's meaningful to achieve a chronological order to have the dates ordered, for example by month. Please take a look at these examples, found without major effort: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title_history.cgi?136819 MFSF], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1112309 ditto], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?993041 Omni], and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2853007 Perry Rhodan]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:38, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Andreas Eschbach Essay ==<br />
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Greetings Stonecreek, would you mind checking to see if these two are the same? [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2843203] & [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3068105] Tnaks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:55, 13 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Hello, John! No, they aren't; the first takes the author's contributions to the Perry Rhodan franchise into its focus, the second gives an overview of Eschbach's role in German sf. I'll add a note to the second one. Thanks for the hint to the seeming doublette. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:44, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Hop Aboard Kids, We're Going to 1984: Seven Children's Books and Illustration, Art, or Cosmic Kitsch? Six SF Art Books ==<br />
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{{P|910485|Genre Fiction: The Roaring Years}} contains {{T|3068541|Hop Aboard Kids, We're Going to 1984: Seven Children's Books}} and {{T|3068542|Illustration, Art, or Cosmic Kitsch? Six SF Art Books}}. It states both of these originally appeared in {{P|293929|Foundation, #10 June 1976}}. There is no such essays listed in that pub. However, there are seven Peter Nicholls book reviews on page 82 and six Peter Nicholls art book reviews on pages 114-119. I am assuming these are what are being referenced. Do either of these review groupings have a overall title in Foundation, #10? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:04, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:No, it just lists the books reviewed at its heading. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:45, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Okay, I will make the appropriate notes. Thanks for checking. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:00, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Dave Langford, who put {{P|910485|Genre Fiction: The Roaring Years}} together, has sent me an email about this issue. Here is what he says:<br />
:::* Foundation in that era added overall titles to reviews and groups of reviews: the coverage of the seven children's books and the six sf art books each formed a continuous block of text with the lower-case headings "hop aboard kids, we're going to 1984" and "illustration, art or cosmic kitsch?" However, these titles don't appear in the Foundation contents list.<br />
::: Does this match what's in your copy? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:04, 16 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: David Langford is right: it'd pay to actually take a look into the issue. This practice only was conducted in the issues of 'Foundation' that were edited by Nicholls (and I think he wrote in one of the editorials that they were added by him, and not by the review editor). IMO they don't make the reviews into essays: they otherwise don't differ from reviews in earlier & later issues and are all part of the respecive reviews sections. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:45, 16 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Publisher's Pantheons & Consumer's Guide to Recent Writing on SF ==<br />
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{{P|293930|Foundation, #11 and 12}} has {{T|1540526|Publisher's Pantheons}} on page 101 and {{T|1541948|Consumer's Guide to Recent Writing on SF}} on page 168. {{P|910485|Genre Fiction: The Roaring Years}} reprints these respectively as Publishers' and Consumers'. Before I variant, I wanted to check these were not database errors. Would you mind double checking? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:19, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: They were indeed entered erroneously. It'd be right to merge those two (that is, four) titles. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:58, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Merged. Thanks! --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:00, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Perry Rhodan Sonderband'' change submission ==<br />
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Hi. This [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5415109 submission] had a title it used disappear, so I cannot do anything with it and you will have to redo it. I do not remember what is accessible after a hard reject, so I left it there for now. When you are done referring to it, if you cannot cancel it yourself let me know and I will do the hard reject. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 18:21, 9 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks for the info, Marty! (But I think this shouldn't have happened - importing into and editing a publication are independent from one another, or so I thought: is this perhaps a new bug?). I'll edit anew. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 03:38, 10 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::I think the update must have changed something about one of the content records, perhaps a page number, and the title associated with that record got deleted (most likely merged) after your edit was submitted. Whatever that submission was must have been approved first. I do not know of a way for me to tell what happened. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:07, 10 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Well, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1118774 this title] was merged, maybe this was the cause? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:31, 10 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Imperium ==<br />
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Christian, I have the following three submissions on hold. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5416084 Second], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5416086 Third], and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5416089 Fourth] printings of Imperium. The publication date for the second printing as stated in the notes reads "The month of publication was chosen to put this printing after the first one". The other two have similar notes. I'm not familiar with this practice. It appears to contract our standards, both in general and specifically with the Date: field. A quick [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_note&O_1=contains&TERM_1=month+of+publication+was+chosen&C=AND&USE_2=pub_title&O_2=exact&TERM_2=&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication search] shows that this is not the first time you have used this methodology. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:29, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Excuse me for interrupting but I am familiar with this situation. I have come across many pub records where the notes state that Month has been set arbitrarily in order to sort multiple printings in the same year. So, very early in my editing career, I tried to do the same thing... and Annie told me off (very nicely)! Apparently, this practice has happened in the past but it is no longer tolerated. You can see the discussion here: [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:IanPercival#Foundation_and_Empire_.2F_Second_Foundation Part 1] and [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Teallach#Dating_and_all_that Part 2]. Unfortunately, we are left with a legacy issue of all the historic cases. You will find a lot more if you run an advanced search on publication where the Notes field contains both the words "month" and "arbitrary". [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:06, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: What would be better or right to do? We know that a later printing can't have appeared before an earlier one. Would we set all later printings of one year to the date of the first? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:16, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::I know you agree we have an obligation to ensure the record accurately reflects the underlying publication. When information is obtained from a secondary source, we document the source. Your submissions, particularly 'Perry Rhodan' are among the best I've seen. What you are doing here with the date field is turning it into nothing more than a sort field. Not only does it distort the underlying publication, but it also undermines confidence in the field across the entire database. Where does that leave us. We definitely do not set the date to the first printing. The help section is clear. If we can find a recognized secondary source, partial or full, we use that. Without such, we are forced to use 'unknown'. I know you find this distasteful. If further information surfaces, the record can be edited. I remember an extensive discussion regarding implementation of sort field(s). Hopefully this can be done at some point. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:09, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Okay! Would you please approve of the submissions and either let me correct the dating (or, if you prefer correct it)? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:14, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Approved, I'll approve the date changes as soon as they hit the queue. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:23, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Thanks! Submitted. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:29, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: I thought we were going with 'unknown'. Maybe I'm missing something, how do we know the subsequent printings were released in 2012? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:48, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::::::: Approved. I went brain dead for a minute. Ignore the previous sentance. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:05, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::: Will you commit to correcting all the publications where you have used an arbitrary date and abandoning this practice? If so, I will support your request. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:01, 25 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan, #3186: Alraska ==<br />
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Christian, I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5416182 this submission]. In light of your note, I think crediting 'Swen Papenbrock (in error)' and then varianting to 'Arndt Drechsler' would be more accurate. What do you think? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:46, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Yes, that would be even better. I'll cancel and resubmit. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:17, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: I saw [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5423803 this edit]. Did you decide not to change the cover art credit as suggested or did you want me to do it? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:06, 25 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Blanking spammers' Talk pages ==<br />
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I appreciate what you are trying to do with spammers' Talk pages, but it makes it more time-consuming for moderators to get to the original text, confirm that it's spam, delete the page and block the spammer. Please don't do it going forward. Thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:13, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Okay, just thought that sometimes the text may be not recognized and gets a base in our wiki. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 02:10, 17 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Kiepenheuer & Witsch ==<br />
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Saying "Now located in" is not a very useful thing - what happens 3 years down the road when they had moved but noone updated the entry? Not everyone knows to look at the History and try to figure out when that was valid (and not-logged people cannot even look at that). Instead use something like "As of September 2022" or whatever date you know they were there - that way even if they move, the entry is still correct. :) I fixed it [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?6131 here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:04, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Okay, that's even better, though this is one of the publishers I keep an eye on: any change of place will be noted. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 15:07, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Notes (again) ==<br />
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I assume that for edits such as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5426681 this one], you are planning to import the newly created parents into a book somewhere OR add notes into the originals which were not imported (for a date provenance). That should have been in the moderator notes (or even in the proper notes on the original) so that someone looking at the title before they get imported/noted, can trace why they have these dates... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:58, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Elephant ==<br />
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I approved [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5426761 this one] too fast so I deleted it. The author name for this book is not Sławomir Mrożek but Slawomir Mrozek (unlike the accented characters, these two names actually can coexist on the server so these are two separate names in the DB). I deleted the book so you need to redo that one - but with the correct name for the author and all his stories. And yes, it is a pain with the Polish authors who have ł and ż and their names but we catalog based on the books, not based on how we wish the English publishing industry had printed the name, right? :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:12, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: And while I am around - we have an <nowiki>{{incomplete}}</nowiki> template for cases where you want to say "More contents to be added!". I replaced it [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?916136 here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:15, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: I do think we actually don't know what version of name is stated on the title page, OCLC and the cover point towards Slawomir Mrozek, the reprint towards Sławomir Mrożek. But maybe it is better to wait for someone to take actually a look into the publication: it would be somewhat too tedious to enter all the titles possibly in vain. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 15:32, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Let me add that this addition was initialized by the SFE3 entry, which notes no distinction; do you think that this source may not be dependaple in that regard? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:11, 25 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: Unless you have a source contradicting the cover, I’d use what is on the cover for these and note that in the notes. Older English books are notorious for dropping any non-standard characters and I highly doubt that they used a different versions on the cover and on the title page. Online sources tend to overlook these and consider the age of the books as an explanation - we record as used on the book. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:19, 25 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Unintentional deletion ==<br />
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Hello Christian! I have completely unintentionally deleted a comment for your request. I was not familiar with this "rollback" and I did not know what it evokes. Fortunately Ahasuerus noticed it and corrected it. So please accept my apology. [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] ([[User talk:Rudam|talk]]) 11:36, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Sure, no problem! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 15:32, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Zyklus series and Series with Duplicate Numbers ==<br />
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Hello Christian, <br />
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Quite a lot of the Zyklus series had acquired repeated numbers based on your updates in the last months. The DB is not designed for that so we have a report to look for these so they can be corrected. Can you please look at the report [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?17 here] and clear these? If you would like to propose a change in the rules/conventions/practices which will allow these to stand as they are, please head to R&S and so on :) If you cannot see the report, let me know and I will post the list here. Thanks in advance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:09, 26 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Annie, can you please give an example, because 'Only moderators can access the specified cleanup report'? I do suspect that titles like 'Perry Rhodan (1. Aufl.) - 1984' as by uncredited are meant, which appears six times, each time varianted to a different parent title (!?) Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:33, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Looking more closely, it's more likely that titles like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1800838 Vorstoß nach Arkon] vs. the same-numbered (and in this case same-titled) [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1463714 Vorstoß nach Arkon] cause the problem (!?)<br />
:: It is the latter case - two titles with the same number in the same series. This is not a common scenario - the only other case we have that in the DB is a short story/interior art mixed series and I already pinged the editor who worked on it about it. And as usual, if this is not used that way in the DB, there may be underlying software issues when it is done (and having two separate different texts makes the series impossible to order properly. <br />
:: I wondered if the report is moderator only. Here is the complete list (series first, number that is repeated second, ignore the leading number (it is the report line):<br />
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231 PR Zyklus 18: Chronofossilien — Vironauten 1271.1<br />
232 PR Zyklus 18: Chronofossilien — Vironauten 1216.1<br />
233 PR Zyklus 15: Die Kosmischen Burgen 938.1<br />
234 PR Zyklus 16: Die Kosmische Hanse 1053.1<br />
235 PR Zyklus 5: Die Meister der Insel 214.1<br />
236 PR Zyklus 5: Die Meister der Insel 224.9<br />
237 PR Zyklus 4: Das Zweite Imperium 184.1<br />
238 PR Zyklus 4: Das Zweite Imperium 189.1<br />
239 PR Zyklus 4: Das Zweite Imperium 167.1<br />
240 PR Zyklus 4: Das Zweite Imperium 199.1<br />
241 PR Zyklus 3: Die Posbis 111.1<br />
242 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 77.1<br />
243 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 92.1<br />
244 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 56.1<br />
245 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 71.1<br />
246 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 69.1<br />
247 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 84.1<br />
248 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 86.1<br />
249 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 6.1<br />
250 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 11.1<br />
251 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 19.1<br />
252 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 30.1<br />
253 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 39.1<br />
254 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 8.1<br />
255 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 26.1<br />
256 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 2.1<br />
257 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 33.1<br />
258 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 4.1<br />
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:: Because they are all .1 I wonder if you were trying to do something somewhat creative but dumping them at the same number is not a good idea IMO. sorry for the formatting - these read better in edit mode - on my phone and formatting is hard from it. Any help you can provide clearing these will be very welcome :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 02:14, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Well, for the doubled numbers (like the above #39.1 'Vorstoß nach Arkon'): these titles all end at the same point in the respective internal chronology, they only were adapted in different ways. That's why I took to this solution. Christan [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:12, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::: But the DB is not really designed to allow that, neither is that a practice we use and this is not the only series with books running in parallel… so they need to get untangled and get different numbers. Using the publication order to order them inside of the decimals is the usual solution with notes that the stories take place at the same time. Plus you may know why you did that but no one else looking at the series would know. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:49, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::::: Okay! On re-thinking this issue most of the titles will have the respective ending of the final novella anyway (for 39.1 the ending of 39), though some will have some changed or added ending. The idea was just to sort out the original novellas from their adaptations. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:04, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::::: A subseries or set of a them maybe? We have a few other series where the original books were reworked/changed enough to require new title records and in these cases we make a subseries, add notes in the main series and in the subseries explaining the relationship (when known) and whatever number schemes there are. That way the series are also a lot more readable on the screen. Just throwing another idea your way while you are thinking on the best way to organize these. In all cases, write some notes on the series level explaining the special numbering - you know why you wanted to split them and why they belong where they belong, someone finding our records from internet who is not well versed at the Zyklus practices will get lost. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:46, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: I've thought about that, too. But since some the novellas were just translated, and the same ones were incorporated into fix-ups this would also lead to a (greater) mess. <br />
::::::: And for the French titles: they would then end up in different series (first they presented translations of the novellas, organized either in anthologies or collections; then changed to translations of the fix-ups). <br />
::::::: With more than 3,000 original novellas published so far in an ongoing chronology that was and is augmented with many additional tales, anyone hoping for readability or a fast grasping will be lost anyway, I think. But I'll add an explanatory note to the series; thanks for the idea. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:30, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::::::: Series in ISFDB are flat so sometimes you need to make compromises and take into account how they are implemented and how they look on a screen when someone looks at them. This would be solvable a lot easier if a book can belong to two or more series :) As they cannot, we do the best we can with what we have. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:35, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Hochzeit in Atomweiler [8] ==<br />
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Can you please add an author and a language to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3085505 this poor title]? No idea how you managed to leave it with no author but it somehow happened. I suspect it is Daniel Mróz but as you are around and it is a verified book, I prefer to check. :) It probably also need a page number (or alternatively it needs ejecting from the publication and deletion). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:17, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Must have been a systems hiccup since titles with no author are not allowed when submitting (and I'm sure I also added the page). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:42, 29 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: It's ''very'' ominous that there's no record of my latest update when I added the additional pieces of art last week in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?410909 the pub. edit history]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:49, 29 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Actually, that missing submission in the history explains what happened: the submission errored out midway through its run: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5432749 submission]. It happens occasionally (rarely but happens) and yes, that would produce a weird result. Check anything after that image though - as it seems it errored on it, anything after that may not have made it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 02:01, 29 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Der Botschafter ==<br />
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What is the source for the date of the parent [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5425727 here]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:24, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: A note on first publications in "Zabawa: Satire in lustloser Zeit". Sorry that the Polish chapbook was dated erroneously to 1981: there's no publication of it to be found at WordCat. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:49, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Approved and note added. Please make sure that ALL titles which have no publications attached confirming the date (and are not parents existing just to move the title to the canonical author) have notes explaining their dates' (and if needed - their titles') provenance. You already did the research if you are setting the date, just document it. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:01, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Self-approver flag set on the account ==<br />
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As per the outcome of the [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Applying_for_self-moderating Community Portal discussion], the self-approver flag has been set on your account. Please use it wisely :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:05, 29 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Will do. And more careful than before, too! Chrstian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 02:10, 30 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== I Am Alive and You Are Dead ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/iamaliveyouarede0000carr; Recently uploaded to Archive, notes here say date source unknown but it says the date on the copyright page, I added link and changed 01 to 00 in date, you may want to add info to notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:55, 11 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Zurück in die Steinzeit ==<br />
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The cover artist of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?491046 this] is not Boris Vallejo, but Tony Roberts, see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?276629 Survivor]. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] ([[User talk:Horzel|talk]]) 17:48, 12 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks! I ''was'' in doubt that Vallejo was the artist: there was no original English parent to be found. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:58, 15 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Cartoon: Rüsselmops, der Außerirdische (Perry Rhodan Report Nr. 198) ==<br />
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Please see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5443067 this edit] which impacts your verified pubs. Are these the same? Or should the second one actually be a different number? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:54, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Please reject, the later one should in fact bear the number of Report #199. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:10, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Rejected. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:38, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Ping-Pong mutations ==<br />
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Please stop [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?289 f#@$%ing around] or I'll make a request to revoke your self-approval rights. This is my last and final warning, I have clearly explained why you can't have it your way.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] ([[User talk:Dirk P Broer|talk]]) 16:24, 6 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: I don't know if you're aware of this, but since 2020 someone's uploaded many of these books, https://archive.org/search.php?query=scheer+darlton&sort=-addeddate, including the 1 in question, which I've added a link to in a pending edit. If I may give you some advice, after that lengthy argument recently about the page count of some old M.Z. Bradley work, Falcons of ?, and now this, there are clearly several people here who have a long-standing grudge against you, and after having several strikes already they would love to prevent you from ever being a self-moderator again. There are countless things to be done here, even after more than 15 years of regular folks being allowed to edit (as my 37,000 edits in less than 2 years can attest to), so if somebody says something should be a certain way, just let it go and move on to something else. The alternative is losing your self-mod status and having to wait endlessly for a mod to get around to approving your edits, which has been getting much worse lately. Believe me, you don't want that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:12, 6 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Please do make a request, Dirk, if you think it's up to a moderator's qualification to change verified publications without requesting (or even an information of) the verifier; this is quite below our standard, and you seem have taken to this habit lately. If you'd have asked, you would have been informed that the definition as CHAPBOOK is perfectly okay in light of [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive48#New_cleanup_report_-_Cleanup_report_to_find_CHAPBOOKs_with_multiple_fiction_titles this discussion]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:45, 7 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::: Okay, posted the problems you have at the moderator noticeboard. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:23, 8 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: @Username: these additions/transformations were done in joined accordance, see [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Linguist#French_Perry_Rhodan here] and the contemporary discussions: initially, the volumes were entered as novels, whereas they (from a certain point in time on and up to #199 of the French incarnation) contained translations of the original novellas, and thus need to be transformed accordingly. (This is one of the many things to do you mention). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:20, 8 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Posting and the Watchlists and histories ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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A small request: when editing your posts, please leave the title of the post in the "Summary:" field under the post. Look at [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard&curid=9221&action=history this history]. See how ALL updates (minor or not) but yours have the post name in front of them? When you delete that part when you are writing your own summary in that field, someone needs to go through comparisons to see what post you had edited and chase down the change making working through the board with multiple changes almost impossible to deal with (and almost ensuring that your edits may be lost if there are a lot of traffic - if someone does not have a reason to, they won't reread a post they do not realize has a new/changed message. So can you please leave the title of the post in the summary at all times? Thanks! 13:44, 9 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Okay, will do so in the future. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 02:51, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Mitkey Astromouse ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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If [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1562 this] is an adaptation for young readers, then it is not the same story and needs to be unvarianted and to be left on its own and connected only via the notes. We connect translations, we do not connect adaptations which change the story drastically. Let me know if your note is incorrect thus making it a proper variant. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:46, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: I'd say the adaptational part is only in the use of a somewhat less 'strong' language (more fit for children), and the story itself is represented completely. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:48, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::: Then it cannot be juvenile if the original is not. If if is adapted for children, it cannot be a variant. If it is a translation, it cannot be juvenile. You decide based on the text. If it is specifically adapted for children, I would never call it a variant personally. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 02:04, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:::: I haven't been aware that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5377091 an editor] changed it to juvenile, I'll change it back. <br />
:::: On translations vs. variant titles: there do exist translations that change the meaning of sentences, chapters or whole works into something different than the author had written. In this case I'd think there's not enough to validate a not-varianting. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 02:18, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan, #209: Im Banne der Scheintöter ==<br />
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Both Dirk Geiling's titles [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?921625 here] should be Interior art I suspect? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:48, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Of course! Corrected, thanks for finding this! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:49, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Das Hexenschiff - dating issues again ==<br />
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Hello Christian, <br />
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Can you please explain where did you get [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5273339 this date] from? When the date of a title is different from its first publication we have on the list, we either need a note explaining the provenance of the date OR that very first edition to be added. Same question for its parent and the chapbook it is in. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:53, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: Same question for the dates [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?703780 here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:55, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: And [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title_history.cgi?3043856 Deadwood — Stadt der Särge], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3040487 Der Jetset-Dämon], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3008984 Die Grabräuber], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3016229 Die Kreuzweg-Legende], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3038691 Die Vampir-Polizei], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3029975 Drei Gräber bis Atlantis], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3000479 Dämonenfalle Rom], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3034865 Geisterdämmerung], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3040487 Der Jetset-Dämon] and all their associated titles (short stories, covers and chapbooks and the parents where they exist). Unless you are adding the older version of the book(s) immediately, writing notes when you change the dates are mandatory. Some of these had been changed in March and had been just sitting unsupported for 8 months... Can you please go and fix these? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:00, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: And I found more... Can you see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?275 this report]? If you can, please get all the titles where you got weird dates on and fix them - either add the missing edition or add notes on every title where the date does not match the publications we have. If you cannot see the report, I will be happy to pull a complete list (in addition to the ones already listed above). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:03, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: All these associated titles were published initially in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1533 this series] and should have been dated accordingly upon entering the respective later publications (which I didn't do). But for the sake of it, I'll work through the list. Thanks for bringing this up. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:44, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::: That’s great that you know where the dates come from but someone else finding them won’t know what they are looking at and if someone is working this report, they may not be nice enough to come ask you and instead will just reset the dates to what the publications show this losing your work and some of the data. As a basic rule, unless you are adding the first editions as well, each title needs notes explaining the date’s provenance. That’s not “good to have” - it is a “must have”. Thanks for working on them. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 02:02, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Stanislaw-Lem-Bibliographie ==<br />
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Hi Christian, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3097650 this title] appears on the cleanup report for 'Variant Title Dates Before Canonical Title Dates'. I.m.o. the earlier version should be the parent, not the variant. Was this on purpose? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 04:18, 16 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Yes. I did this because the later one was more complete (adding new and formerly missed out publications & titles), and also because Klaus Staemmler was involved in the later one (and he seems to have added much of his knowledge). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:48, 16 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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::Thanks. Ignored, and thus removed from the report. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 11:09, 16 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Can Such Things Be? ==<br />
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Hi. Please, if you have time, to approve [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5493926 this submission] (5493926). It's a lot of work. Many thanks. --[[User:Terraflorin|Florin]] ([[User talk:Terraflorin|talk]]) 02:20, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry! I only am a self-approver right now; I'll post your request at [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:JLaTondre#A_request_of_approval JLaTondre's talk page]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 08:42, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::Edit has been approved. Florin, please add the variants to the original works. As the original was not all speculative fiction, if you find any contents that do not belong, they should be removed and deleted. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:46, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: Only the fantastic stories were translated in this book. Once again, many thanks. --[[User:Terraflorin|Florin]] ([[User talk:Terraflorin|talk]]) 14:32, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== New Worlds 3 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23795; Archive.org copy, https://archive.org/details/newworlds00garn, is 223 pages, not 219, in case you can check your copy and change if needed. I added a link in an edit to their copy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:37, 29 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Prager Ghettosagen ==<br />
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Hello Christian, <br />
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When you have a chance, can you see if you can find more about [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?923958 this book] in German sources - cover, format (hardcover or paperback) and the actual year or an explanation of the discrepancy as the two sources have different values). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:38, 1 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Sorry, nothing really dependable to be found. A hardcover publication seems to be the most likely one, though, and the Czech source is displayed courtesy of Charles University in Prague, and is properly sourced, so 1896 seems to be the year. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:55, 1 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Yeah, I figured 1896 was the more likely and I lean towards hc as well but as I am not very well versed in German-language Prague books from the end of the 19th century, I figured I should come and ask to see if you can find something else. The Czech sources don't have much more (besides confirming the year actually). Thanks for checking! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:07, 1 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Einige werden überleben ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I've credited the cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?346875 Einige werden überleben] to Sanjulian and noted the original appearance, where it was identified as his work. Hubert [[User:Peregrin|Peregrin]] ([[User talk:Peregrin|talk]]) 11:52, 2 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Thank you! One more riddle of this sometimes improperly credited covers solved! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:01, 2 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== World Cup Anthologies ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/agonyecstasyneww0000unse; Excellent work on A Book of Two Halves. Royle edited another anthology about football (soccer); 1 story is on ISFDB, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2382281. Other genre authors are in the contents; judging by the intro it sounds like at least a couple of the stories are futuristic, although there's also some non-fiction in this one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:02, 19 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks! I'll see if I can get hold of a copy of that one. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:20, 19 December 2022 (EST)<br />
::It's on Archive.org at the link I provided. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:25, 19 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: I've seen that, but in this case I prefer to have a copy for reading (and hopefully enjoying). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:27, 19 December 2022 (EST)<br />
:::: You had an actual print copy of Two Halves already or you bought one? Also, the archived copy of Agony is missing title page and copyright page and I don't see anywhere online that shows them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:58, 19 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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::::: I bought one: the line-up of authors got me interested (and it seems that Nicholas Royle is even better as editor than as author). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:41, 20 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Treffpunkt Knossos ==<br />
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Please see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5514044 this submission] that impacts your verified pub. Should the change (Baranek to Beranek) be accepted? If so, the publication record also needs to be updated. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:58, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Yes, please: I'll update the pub. record accordingly. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:03, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== In Laurins Blick: Das Buch deutscher Phantasten ==<br />
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Christian, I added the contents to the existing hc record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?485933 here] and created the pb record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?929721 here]. If you have time, will you look up the original publication dates for any new titles. Clearly it can't be 1982 since many of the authors died long before. Thanks for the help. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:58, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:You're right, this is a reprint anthology; some of the titles enclosed may have attributed with new titles, though. But I'll see what I can find out. Thanks for the link, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:02, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Correction: the last three pieces (by Franke, Frischmuth & Ende) seem to be original to this antholgy. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:12, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Die Unterdrückten ==<br />
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Cover art credit for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?410907 this] is wrong. It isn't Alan Daniels but Tim WHite. I have had confirmation from Tim's daughter who stated "Yes it is one of Tim's" --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 15:03, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Thank you very much! That's good to know. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:28, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Philip K. Dick's Electric Dreams: Volume One ==<br />
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Hi Christian, I'm looking at this set of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2275857 titles]. You and I are the only verifiers extant - [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?639476 yours here] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?930999 mine here]. For mine, I've entered the book title (as on the title page), and all the introductions as they appear at the head of each essay.<br />
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Could you check yours to see if yours are the same?<br />
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I've put a call for info on the [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Philip_K._Dick.27s_Electric_Dreams%3A_Volume_One_-_info_wanted Help Desk] in case anyone has a copy of the unverified pubs. That said, and if no further information is forthcoming, would you as a Moderator have any objections to me changing the titling on the unverified pubs?<br />
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If you agree that that is all correct, I'll make all the changes necessary and post you the results back here. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:10, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Yes, please proceed. You don't have to post the results, though, I'll take a look when the publicazion has been changed. Thanks in advance, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:41, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for that :) I'll wait a bit to see if there're any responses on the Help desk. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:47, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Nova, #31 ==<br />
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Hello Christian, in {{P|877392|this pub}} the page count doesn't fit.<br />
* The last numbered page is p. 326 -> ok<br />
* followed by a page with an uncredited photo portrait of Helmut Wenske -> p. 327<br />
* one page with a small ad for the publisher -> p. 328<br />
* the inside backcover featuring an ad -> p. 329 or not counted<br />
* page 331 (the inside back cover) -> it should p. 329 or not counted<br />
* Total page count 332 -> I think p. 328 without covers and inside covers<br />
Please take a look. Many thanks [[User:Henna|Henna]] ([[User talk:Henna|talk]]) 15:33, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: Chiming in with the relevant help page: Magazines page rules are different. :) You count ALL pages PLUS the 4 covers - so if the magazine has 328 pages without the covers, it is recorded as 332. See [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Pages the help page]: "For magazines, the rule is to use the actual page count - including the cover. For example, early issues of Fantastic Universe numbered the interior pages from 1 to 192, not counting the front or back covers. This would be entered into the ISFDB record as "196"." [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:47, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Hello Annie and Christian, strange rules. Good Night. [[User:Henna|Henna]] ([[User talk:Henna|talk]]) 18:37, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== German Science Fiction Times Nr. 118/19 ==<br />
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Hi Christian, I have managed to get my hands on the Feb/March edition and on p. 39 it states that (a) with the beginning of February 1971 Moewig has changed its day of publication from Wednesday to Friday and (b) that Perry Rhodan Nr. 500 would be published on 26 March 1971.<br />
This means that our theory of the 'missing week' occurring in 1972 is wrong. Instead Moewig must have changed its day of publication ''at least'' twice, i.e from Friday to Wednesday sometime in the late 1960s and the back to Friday in 1971. Actually this is very similar to what Pabel-Moewig did in December 2003, when the day switched from Tuesday (PR 2206 / 2 Dec 2003) to Friday (PR 2207 / 5 dec 2003).<br />
I am still looking for older editions of SFT to pinpoint the first change.<br />
What to do: My suggestion is that we <br />
* change the dates starting Feb 1971<br />
* this places PR 493 / TN 163 on 5 February<br />
* The preceding numbers, i.e. PR492 / TN 162 would be moved from Friday, 5 February to Wednesday, 3 February with corresponding notes.<br />
Do you concur? Anybody else that we should involve before going ahead?<br />
Best, John [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] ([[User talk:JLochhas|talk]]) 05:13, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Yes, that sounds absolutely reasonable. I don't know of anybody else as PV for this period of time (1971-1973). Let's go ahead. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 05:23, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::You must now be swamped with changes... It's done, please do me a favour cross-check the series' notes - just in case I got lost in detail. Many thanks! Best, John [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] ([[User talk:JLochhas|talk]]) 03:34, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Thank '''you''' for doing this load of work, John! Will take a look into the notes, but on first glanve it looks well done. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:10, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Clive Barker Image ==<br />
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Hi Christian -<br />
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Could you please take a look at [[ISFDB:Community Portal#Clive Barker Author Photo|this discussion]. There has been a third edit to change the author image and I think we need to reach a consensus rather than continue to churn the image. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:27, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Glukhovsky - Metro — Die Trilogie ==<br />
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Hi Christian, there's no PV for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?747217 this pub] but you have edited it previously. There's a missing length for 'Das Ende der Straße'. Could you sort it please. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 10:52, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I'm not entirely sure if it's a novelette or a novella, but the first is more likely, so I'll change it accordingly and insert a cautionary note. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:01, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for doing that. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 11:06, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Valentine ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?25420; I just did a bunch of edits for books from that publisher, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5583283, ...5583285, ...5583289, and ...5583290, which should be approved sometime soon, and I suggest that the publisher should be changed to Fragments West / The Valentine Press like it says in the books (or at least the ones I saw). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:19, 15 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: No problem with that. I'll do the change for the publication I have a copy of. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:37, 15 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Tinted edges in PR pubs ==<br />
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Hello Christian. I have just verified {{P|872615|this pub}}, and noticed the tinted edges. Have you ever come across others like it ? Thanks, [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] ([[User talk:Linguist|talk]]) 10:54, 16 February 2023 (EST).<br />
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: Yes, a few have those. Shall I note that for the ones I verify/-ied? Maybe it was done for a certain period of time, I'll take a look. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:06, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: For now it does seem that this may have been a feature of this bunch of publications, #s 13-24 (though #29 may also count: either its edges were bleached by time or tinted with a very light yellow). I only have a few of those and will add more to the publications next week. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:51, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::OK, thanks. I noted it because from my point of view, it is rather exceptional in Fleuve Noir publications (but rather common in early Livre de Poche, for instance). [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] ([[User talk:Linguist|talk]]) 04:14, 17 February 2023 (EST).<br />
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== Queen of the Country Problem ==<br />
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I need a favor. This was rejected, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5583237, and there is absolutely no way that I'm entering all that info again. Prime Books has been one of the most vexing publishers I've done edits for, and in this case the copy of Goldberg's posthumous collection on Archive.org which I entered 2 years ago, when I didn't know very well what I was doing, was come across again recently by me and the above edit was made. I think I've done all I can do with this book, but the WorldCat verification by you seems to point to this, https://books.google.com/books?id=fkTx3mYODQAC, which looks the same on the back cover but has a different ISBN for God only knows what reason. There's some confusion with one of these ISBN linking up with a P.K. Dick book or something and I don't know what to say about that, but I think Prime just messed up as usual. So can you enter a new record cloning this book, entering the different ISBN, and moving your verification over to that so this mod can un-reject my edit? Thanks in advance. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:08, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I think your submission was rejected because of the change of the ISBN, right? This ISBN ''does'' fit the entry at WorldCat ''and'' it leads you to the Goldberg book at Amazon; whereas the other ISBN is connected to a PKD collection at WorldCat. Is the latter one stated anywhere in the Goldberg book? (But even if so, the other one likely has to be also in there, I think). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:22, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::The scan on Archive.org has the ISBN-13 on its copyright page that's in my rejected edit while its back cover barcode has an ISBN-10, 0-8095-5636-7, and the ISBN-13 below that. Confusion sets in because as can be seen in my edit the scan URL is for a P.K. Dick book. I can only surmise that they issued a new printing with the correct ISBN because the scan on Google Books has a higher number, ISBN-10 978-0-8095-7308-0 on its copyright page and ISBN-13 0-8095-7308-3 on its back cover with the ISBN-13 below that. So I think the edition I entered is the first and WorldCat ISBN is second, so a new record needs creating for the second and ID moved so my edit can be un-rejected. In a weird coincidence, I was looking at the old Eternity Online site at pulpeternity.com for story links I could add to ISFDB and while it was mostly fruitless because they either only gave extracts from stories they published in their print magazine or broke full stories up into parts, some of which are dead making adding the links pointless, right there amid all that mess was a story from 1998 by Goldberg, "One More Vietnam Story", which was reprinted in Queen of the Country as "Another Vietnam Story" and supposedly original even though it was published nearly 10 years earlier. Have I ever mentioned how much I dislike Prime Books? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:57, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Yes, I tend toward appreciating that I don't own any of their books (hope so). But for the problem we face: I think it's best to assume there is a later edition with the ISBN documented at WorldCat (at least, it only states the copyright year of 2008), and to set this edition to 'unknown'. What do you think? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:38, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::: I agree. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:30, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::: Okay, done. I think I also have put in the changes & additions you submitted. Before you clone this: may it be worth a thought that the issuing with the other ISBN occurred after the 'right' one? (After all, the PKD collection seems to have been published only in the following year, 2009). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 02:00, 18 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::This isn't what I asked you to do. My edit shouldn't have been rejected by the mod in the first place, they should have asked on my message board why I changed the ISBN and I would have explained as I did above here, and then you were supposed to clone it and move your WorldCat ID over to that and enter the ISBN as it is on WorldCat and the copy on Google Books. What you did here is add the alternate ISBN to the existing record. I give up. You guys take care of it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:21, 18 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::: It's debatable if your submission should have been rejected: at least it countered the existing OCLC and the Amazon entries. And I did just what we agreed upon above. There really seem to exist at least two editions (or printings), each of them with a different ISBN. One of the remaining questions is: which of them came first? Since there doesn't seem to be an answer right now: maybe it'd be best to set both of them to 'unknown'. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 08:29, 18 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::::No, because I asked you above, "So can you enter a new record cloning this book"; you didn't clone it and move over your ID and ISBN, you just added "date unknown" to the existing record that I created a few years ago, it doesn't make sense to clone that because the edition on Google/WorldCat is likely the later one; I see now that you also changed the cover artist and added a dash to her name, which is wrong because there's no dash in her name on the back cover of the Archive.org copy or the Google copy; it should have been made a variant. This book was confusing enough to work on, now everything here is confused and I really don't feel like doing anything else with it so you and the mod and whoever else can clean it up. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:52, 18 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::::::: If your submission would have been approved the ISBN would had to be reinstalled: there was a secondary verification for that specific ISBN; that is just plain ISFDB policy. If there does pop up another publication of a title with a different ISBN we do add a new publication record for it, according to our etiquette. The publication I added a secondary verification for is likely the later one, but that is not entirely sure: Amazon still gives a January 2008 date for it (but it's possible that this is erroneous). Alas, we seem to not have a date for the copy to be found at archive.org. That ain't nice, but seems to reflect our state of knowledge. If you can come up with hard facts about the dates or the chronological order of the publications: that would be appreciated. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 15:28, 18 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Unintended link ==<br />
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Christian, <br />
Consider disabling the template [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Stonecreek/Archive1#Photo_of_Kir_Bulychev here], it's linking your archive page to [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Author_images here], [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Fair_use_images here] and [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Category:Photographer:Philip_Smith_Images&action=edit&redlink=1 here]. I happened to be looking at Category:Author images and noticed it. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:55, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Hi! Thanks for the hint. I think I have worked upon the disconnection. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:14, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Submissions still pending ==<br />
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Hi Stonecreek,<br />
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I have made 2 submissions on January 27: 5560464 and 5560612. I got a welcome message from MagicUnk on February 13, but because my submissions are still pending, I have asked him, how long it could take until it's approved (or rejected). He told me that he is not able to make these approvals due to not enough knowledge about the Perry Rhodan and Atlan series. He told me also that there are already entries, albeit with a different date. It's because there were different editions. In the case of Atlan 154 it's the second editon and in the case of Perry Rhodan 215 it's the fourth edition, which are still missing in ISFDB.<br />
He gave me the advice to contact you. So, here I am. These submissions are important for me, because they contain some of my old works. And I want to use (the complete) bibliography as a reference for a possible new publication.<br />
So, I hope you can help me. If there should be anything wrong with my submission, please tell me.<br />
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[[User:Pinudeycos|Pinudeycos]] ([[User talk:Pinudeycos|talk]]) 07:57, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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: If it would be okay that the dates, credits, notes and contents might be adjusted to the existing overall scheme (like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2793526 here] for the 1981 publications of Atlan (2. Aufl.)), I see no problem of approving them: I'll ping MagicUnk. <br />
: Thanks for contributing! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:57, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Thank you very much! [[User:Pinudeycos|Pinudeycos]] ([[User talk:Pinudeycos|talk]]) 11:10, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::My submissions are online now. I really appreciate your quick help! Keep continuing this great work with ISFDB. [[User:Pinudeycos|Pinudeycos]] ([[User talk:Pinudeycos|talk]]) 18:13, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: Thanks for the kind words, and if there's anything you think should be added to our little database, please contribute and/or ask for help with adding. Also, please let me know when the republication of your works comes into the hot stage. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:20, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Plan D ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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When adding Bulgarian books from German and/or English sources which do not show Cyrillic letters, please keep in mind that Bulgarian uses the Cyrillic alphabet exclusively. With a few notable exceptions, that includes the author name, the publisher name and the title itself. If you cannot find the information as it is shown on a title page/cover or cannot work in the alphabet, please either leave a note on my page so I can clean up the record after you add it or just leave me a note so I can add the book and I will be happy to assist. Even checking Goodreads would have given you the correct title for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?941740 this book] although a local source is always preferred. I will be happy to assist with any other European languages where you cannot get the correct spelling of titles/authors/publishers as well. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:31, 18 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Unfortunately, Annie is right: it's hard to get the spelling and other subtleties like inflections right when working with languages -- and especially alphabets/scripts -- that you are not familiar with. I have entered a lot of English translations of Japanese "light novels" as well as their Japanese language parent titles (mostly using Amazon JP), but my attempts to create publication records for Japanese pubs have been less than successful. Luckily, we have editors who are familiar with Japanese, Bulgarian, Russian and a number of other languages. Please don't hesitate to ask for help when you come across them. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:31, 18 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Okay. I thought that when OCLC uses the Latin alphabet this would ensure that the book was published using that. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:47, 19 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: OCLC/Worldcat get their data from member libraries. Different libraries have used different data entry standards over the years, just like we have used different data entry standards. The result is that OCLC's data can be messy, especially for languages which do not use Latin characters. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:08, 19 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Boken om Pippi Långstrump ==<br />
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We have the parent collection of three Pippi novellas as 2015 ''Boken om Pippi Långstrump'' T{{t|2937288}} with your title note "There may (quite likely) have been earlier editions". Does this parent COLLECTION represent a 2015 Swedish-language publication that you identified but chose not to add to the database? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:39, 24 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: That's right. I found at Amazon only a 2015 publication but do strongly assume that there was a previous one in Swedish (and I personally would like to enter that first). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 14:42, 24 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: British Library record BL 002174012 reports 232-page Rabén & Sjögren 1952.<br />
:: I don't find that edition at WorldCat[*]; only these two as earlier than 2015:<br />
:: [https://worldcat.org/title/255600782 OCLC 255600782] as 1969 4th ed? <br />
:: [https://worldcat.org/title/728651122 OCLC 728651122] as 1982, series Från Pippi till Ronja ... which must be [https://libris.kb.se/bib/7235299 SE LIBRIS 7235299].<br />
:: * WorldCat search ti:"Boken om Pippi" ; sort by Title A-Z<br />
:: --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:26, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Would you think that the British Library record is trustworthy enough to date the title to 1952? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 16:26, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: I see now that KB.se is the national library of Sweden. I will trust that.<br />
:::: [https://libris.kb.se/hitlist?f=simp&q=%22Boken+om+Pippi+L%c3%a5ngstrump%22&r=&m=10&s=rc&t=&d=libris&p=3 search LIBRIS.kb.se]: shows editions 1 to 4 illustrated by Ingrid Vang Nyman 1952, 1962, 1966, 1969 (232, 232, 240, 240 pages) and "5., omarb. uppl." 1978, 246 pp, "Vang-Nyman". There I stop.<br />
:::: Now I redate the parent COLLECTION as 1952. No SV publications, which I leave to you. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 20:17, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::: Thank you. It will take a little bit of time to catch up with those Swedish publications, though: other projects demand quite a bit of work. But I will eventually get to them. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:04, 1 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Series title - Introductions, afterwords and notes for Isaac Asimov’s own work ==<br />
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Hello Christian, as I'll be adding to the series, I'm of the opinion that this title is too long, overly prescriptive and intrusive at pub level. In keeping with other essay series (for instance "Asimov's Essays: F&SF", "Letters: Isaac Asimov"), I propose changing it to "Asimov's Essays: own work". This would also suggest a subsequent series title "Asimov's Essays: other's work". If you're in agreement, could you process [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5646611 this submission] or hold it if not. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:41, 26 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I have no problem with this change. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:20, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Can we use proper capitalization for series names please? :) I've fixed this one when I approved it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:01, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Will do :) Thanks for fixing that Annie. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 17:14, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Inge Holm ==<br />
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Hello Christian!<br />
:Can you look on this submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5636802].It seems that you had made this specific record at that time. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] ([[User talk:Rudam|talk]]) 13:09, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Sorry, Rudolf, can't look into the submission. Can you tell what's the intended change? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:57, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: As I am around and not sure Rudolf is still around: No change, just a note "Inge Holm and Inge Heym are not identical. Inge Holm is Inge Holm and the wife of author Malte Heim. She is younger than Malte Heim, who was born in 1940." [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:21, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: I'm still sceptical without a note on the source for this. If you take a look at the Wikipedia entry: it states that Inge Heym was born as Inge Holm, and it seems to be a bit of a coincidence that Inge Heim (as Malte Heim's wife) also would have an alternate name of Inge Holm. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 15:11, 27 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: On the other hand, it seems possible that such things happen, somehow that also depends on who supplied the information. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:54, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::Hello Christian!<br />
::::::1. Sorry, but I didn't know you couldn't open the link.<br />
::::::2. In the Wiki entry of Inge Heym is no hint to detect, that she is involved with SF.<br />
::::::3. All ISFDB entries of Inge Holm have the copyright for Inge Holm.<br />
::::::4. FYI the submitter is Ronald Hahn! Maybe he is right with his statement. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] ([[User talk:Rudam|talk]]) 09:53, 28 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: Ad 2): Right, there's no hint for her, but Inge Heym's husband [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?5661 Stefan Heym] did write some titles of sf interest around the same time when Inge Holm was active in the scene.<br />
::::::: Ad 4): Anyway, I'd trust Ronald M. Hahn anytime: he likely knows most German language people active in the 1970s & 1980s in person, and is as author of dependable reference works trustworthy. <br />
::::::: Thus, I adapted the author entry accordingly: if there's anything to add, please do so. Thanks for the informational update! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 15:51, 29 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::::I look exactly like that and have therefore approved the submission. Thanks for the modification. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] ([[User talk:Rudam|talk]]) 05:07, 30 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Accents ==<br />
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It doesn't seem to be necessary to transliterate names or titles with a single accent as á, é, ó, ú or à, è, ò, ù because the search function will find the elements even if they are spelled as a, e, o , u. Try "Rebelion en la galaxia". --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 01:30, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Well, it should, I do think. Transliteration was thought of for "non-Latin alphabet/script", and the Latin alphabet doesn't know of accents. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 02:10, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::If I may step in... try "Was machen wir bloß mit Ragland Park?". An interesting point you've raised Zapp. I wonder what the search function's full capabilities are, there's nothing much in the help that I can find. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:58, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Ahah, there's this [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#How_does_the_ISFDB_deal_with_Unicode_and_accented_characters.3F How does the ISFDB deal with Unicode and accented characters?]. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:16, 11 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Well 'ß' is an unknown letter (except for German), the accents are something different, but both possibilties stand for non-Latin letters. (Though "Was machen wir bloß mit Ragland Park?" does work with the simple (not the advanced) search). Christian 07:55, 12 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: Just to chime in as one of the users in the non-Latin-based languages - the problem is not the search for bloß, the problem is that people who cannot produce ß should be able to type ss instead - and that won't be found unless we have a variant dropping the Eszett. Thus the requirement for the transliteration. The search can find any text that matches exactly - known letters or not. <br />
:::: The accents are slightly different. Technically, latin-1 (which is what we use) treats them as the same character as their main letter - that's why we cannot have the author name as variant with and without them for example - for the DB they are the same letter. As such, they really do not need transliteration. But they do not harm anything so I am not going to remove them if someone adds them. And they should not be used in directory entries (the directory name on the author page). Hope that clarifies things a bit. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:50, 12 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::As I've been submitting a lot of transliteration edits, could you clarify whether Latin Extended-A, Latin Extended-B or Latin Extended Additional characters should be transliterated? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 13:38, 12 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: I personally do think so: if a directory name needs to be transliterated, the author's name and the legal name should be so; and if those are transliterated it seems logical to apply the same to titles. (But if you don't want to go into this with accents, you don't need to).<br />
:::::: There are some more specialities: ø, ö, ä, ü, œ etc. etc. need to be transliterated, I think. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:46, 12 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::: ø, ö, ä, ü, œ and other critters like that should always be transliterated because if you cannot type them, you cannot find the book. With accented letters, as the search will find them anyway, it does not matter but it does not harm. The easiest way to decide? Search for the title without any of the accents in our standard search. If it can be found with no transliteration, you are good. If it cannot be found? We need a transliteration. Alternatively, let the cleanup reports regenerate on these and only add to the ones it complains about for the ones you are not sure about. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:54, 12 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== German Artist Martin H. ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=author_canonical&O_1=contains&TERM_1=martin+hof&C=AND&USE_2=author_language&O_2=exact&TERM_2=German&USE_3=author_canonical&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=author_canonical&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=author_canonical&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=author_canonical&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=author_canonical&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=author_canonical&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=author_canonical&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=author_canonical&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=author_canonical&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Author]; I suspect either they spelled his name differently or someone entered it differently here. Same artist? I think you're PV for all of them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:04, 13 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I verified two of the three publications. But both names are oftenly used in German (not too far away from [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?156436 Andreas Müller]), and thus three possibilities are given: the three items are by one and the same, or they are by different people (and it is even possible that there are three different men involved). The thing to look up is if there's an address given, but I can't do that for the publication in the fanzine "Extravenös", you'll have to ask the PV for that. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 05:39, 14 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== [[User:Stoecker]]'s complaint ==<br />
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When you have a moment, please review [[User:Stoecker]]'s post on [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard]] and respond. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:51, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Gregg Mullen/Suvin Book ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5668492; I fixed first and second volumes and left Rkihara a message about that but I noticed you also PV the second one and the notes for it cut off mid-sentence, in case you were the writer and want to finish whatever they should say. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:03, 18 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Artist attribution correction ==<br />
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I see that you [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5653417 fixed the spelling of Jaime Jones's name] on 2023-05-03 -- the original misspelling goes back to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5074969 this 2021-09-04 submission by Biomassbob], which was apparently propagated via ClonePub.<br />
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Please make sure to notify the primary verifier when changing the spelling of artist names since it's always possible that the name was mangled in the publication. In some cases particularly unusual names are misspelled by the publisher in over 20% of all pubs :-( [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:41, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I looked this up with the help of Amazon's Look Inside (and it is "Cover illustration by Jaime Jones" on the copyright page): things like this misspellings do happen when names or titles get typed, there just is a quota of errors. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:51, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Yes, I saw what Amazon's records states. However, please keep in mind that Amazon's cover images and Look Inside information can change over time. Major publishers supply Amazon with pre-publication files, which they later replace with final, corrected, files. Typically, Amazon replaces pre-publication files with post-publication files, but sometimes their data entry people make mistakes. Moreover, when publishers correct something in a subsequent printing, they usually send an updated file to Amazon, which then updates its cover scan and Look Inside data, thus erasing all traces of what the original printing looked like. (Amazon records used be more stable, but their policies have changed over the last decade.)<br />
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:: I maintain our English translations of Japanese "light novels" and I run into this issue quite often. Sometimes the US publisher changes the spelling of the author's Romanized name, e.g. "Necoco" to "Nekoko". Other times the publisher reverses the order of the first and the last name (the family name is given first in Japanese), and so on. Amazon typically overwrites the original version with the latest version, so I have to use other sources to determine what the first printing said.<br />
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:: This pervasive instability of online records is one of the reasons why the system of "primary verifications" was created in the mid/late-2000s and why it's important to state our sources in the Note field. Primary verifications are supposed to be stable and serve as our "gold standard" for verifiability. Please make sure that you notify primary verifiers when correcting their verified records. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:15, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Okay, I'll do that in the future. Thanks for the explanation. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:23, 24 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Publication Authors That Are Not the Title Author ==<br />
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Can you please resolve the mismatch between the canonical title and the publication title authors in the following: So <br />
* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?507992 Enigmes du passé]<br />
* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?590647 L'invasion des invisibles]<br />
* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?856579 La flotte fantôme]<br />
They all originated because of you changing just one of the records when you added (French) to the names of K.-H. Scheer and Clark Darlton. Just as a note, it is never a good idea to change an author name on a title/pub and not to clean up the other one. :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:18, 25 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks for the hints to these: for these French Perry Rhodans there is always a whole bunch of things to do: adding the novellas & other missing contents & varianting them, adjusting the title type (typically for variant & parent), the month of publication & the notes, adding links, and also correcting the credits.<br />
: I'll try to avoid omissions like those pointed at above, but it might happen again occasionally: distractions do happen to pop up, even if one doesn't ask for them. ;-(<br />
:: Yep. I tend to open all that needs editing in separate tabs on a separate browser window so I do not miss/forget them when I go for large-scale changes. And then look over everything when I am done - especially when I am shifting authors and titles around. Much more likely to remember what I was doing at this point and finish it than a few weeks later when I spot it incomplete. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:39, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Monsterfrösche aus Atlantis ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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The number you added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2835927 here] is the same as the number of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2978778 this story]. Can you figure out which one is wrong and fix it? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:11, 25 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks, Annie. This one has slipped through under John's and mine's radar: because there were 50 novellas featuring the ghosthunter published before he got his own magazine, the number of 50 has to be added to the novellas published in the latter. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 05:44, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: That is why I don't even try to resolve these - I just point them to you or John (whoever edited the one that is weird) and let you figure out what happened. :) <br />
:: PS: I find it useful to add notes on the series level for this kind of shifting numbers - then someone coming into the series blind may be able to figure out what may have happened (and not undo all the work you had done because they think they know better). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:42, 26 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: Good idea, will do! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:14, 27 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Robotspion ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5683407; 143 pages. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:18, 5 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Mother Was a Lovely Beast ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23009; Added LCCN, they say xiii in pages, Archive.org copy agrees, should xiv be changed to xiii? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:23, 24 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Sorry, can't judge on this as I'm on vacation and don't have access to the book right now. From here I'd judge that there should be an even number of Roman numbered pages. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:46, 27 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Midas ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?334458; https://fantlab.ru/images/editions/plus/big/389298_14; Photo includes a price. Is it not in your copy? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 01:39, 29 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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As I remember my copy there was no price printed on it. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:17, 30 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Herrscher über dreizehn Welten ==<br />
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Hi, I found a curious thing in Your pv pub [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?660650 here]. On the cover and in all external IDs the title is "Herrscher der 13 [dreizehn] Welten". Maybe there is a difference on title page? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 09:07, 2 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks for the hint. I'll look this up when I'm back home. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:08, 2 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== ßs transliteration ==<br />
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Hello Christian, could you tell me if Süßschwesterlein is transliterated as Suesschwesterlein or Suessschwesterlein. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:26, 16 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Sure! ß is transliterated into the Latin double s, so it is the latter. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:56, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Thanks! Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 12:05, 17 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ganze Mensch ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=ganze-mensch+john&sort=-addeddate; I've been adding a lot of mostly English-language John Brunner books today and I came across this which is not English. You PV earlier edition so I thought you might like to enter this one which is from 1991, I think, with a much higher price (9.80?). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:14, 11 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Yes, thank you! I'll look up what I can find about the month of publication and then add it. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:19, 11 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Smith - Phönix ==<br />
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Hi Christian, looking at this {{T|1622215|title record}} I see it dated as 1970-00-00, but the 1970 translation (actually 1970-03-00) was titled Prometheus. Although they were both translated by Bergner, and are likely the same work, they have different titles. Perhaps yours should be a 1985-05-00 variant of Phoenix 1954-04-00 instead? Please check. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 20:17, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Also {{T|1364867|Tödliche Flaute}} - should this be 1984-07-00? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:39, 12 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: The first should actually be dated to 1985, the second was correct: I edited both, correcting the first & adding a note to the second. Thanks for the hint! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:48, 13 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Egan - Vergegenständlichungstour ==<br />
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Hello Christian, you've got a weird date {{T|1547773|here}} :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:34, 16 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Well, it ''is'' intentional! (to order the anthologies edited by Jeschke). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:12, 17 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::I thought it was something like that - I just couldn't find it :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 07:57, 17 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Das Mädchen am Abhang ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5752209; I added FantLab link last December but didn't enter contents' # for some reason so I did today and noticed 1 story on ISFDB isn't on the contents page, in case you know why and want to remove it if necessary. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:51, 25 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Well, I don't own this publication, which is a selection of the short fiction pieces published in "Polaris 2". So, I'd guess you're right about the addition. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:02, 27 August 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== John Sinclair Editor ==<br />
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Hi Christian, you may be pleased to know that Britta Künkel quit working for Bastei Lübbe with the end of August - and as per Facebook she has been the JS editor all along and for something over ten years. [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] ([[User talk:JLochhas|talk]]) 13:08, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks, John! Good to know something like this. It'd be nice if Bastei Lübbe would be as informative as Pabel-Moewig: it'd make things so much easier for us. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:24, 2 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Blache and Macdonald's Prophet - UK hc(s) ==<br />
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Hi, you added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?968665 this pub] just over a week ago. Thanks for catching a UK pub (and title) that I missed, but I've just made an update, as it turns out that this is an export edition, according to [https://blackwells.co.uk/bookshop/product/9781787334304 Blackwell's]. The "regular" UK hc is [https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/454038/prophet-by-blache-helen-macdonald-and-sin/9781787334298 9781787334298], which I will add in a second.<br />
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(I'm not sure what the point of an export HC is - I think I've only seen large-format tps, before, and I assumed that they did that because the slightly lower weight makes the shipping easier/cheaper?)<br />
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Weirdly, when I visit Amazon UK from a UK IP address, it only shows me the "regular" UK hc, not the pub you added. If I search on the latter's ISBN, it just shows me the other pubs. Strange...<br />
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In my experience, Blackwell's is quite good at listing UK export editions, but none of the other vendor or publisher sites reliably list them. If you do come across a UK pub that isn't already in the database, please let me know, if only so that I can scrape some data for any other formats like ebook or audios. Hopefully I am catching most of the pubs from UK genre imprints prior to publication, but I definitely miss a lot of the "literary" and children's/YA titles :-(<br />
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Thanks! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 16:09, 8 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Will do! Thinking about it, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?969131 here] is another book I added lately that may fall into the same category. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 16:19, 8 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks - that one wasn't on my radar at all, so I've start scraping info for it from the UK sites, and will start adding the other pubs. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 16:26, 8 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Eccentric Orbits: An Anthology of Scienc ==<br />
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Christian, what are you doing? I approved [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5764856 this submission] adding the new publication at 10:21:05. While I was creating the submission to correct errors and bring it in line with standards, you started editing the publication. Your first edit was at 10:29:23. Eight minutes after first approval. Imagine my surprise when I approved my submission at-12 10:40:15 and saw you hade made four edits. I now have to re review and then write my note to the submitter. I want an answer. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:53, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Well, the exact date was missing, and the spelling of the title was not to the regularity standards; also an image was missing. All this I added after waiting some minutes: I had the impression that you had left it for later and just wanted to help. Sorry if I interferred. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:00, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Not good enough, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:03, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?66690; First book, PV by Wendy Van Camp, has Dimentionfold as publisher, unlike others which have Dimensionfold. PV only has 1 message on their page so unlikely to get a response from her; probably a simple typing mistake that needs correcting. https://www.scribd.com/read/455301930/Eccentric-Orbits-Eccentric-Orbits-1. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:04, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Next time, I'll wait somewhat longer upon improving entries (and the entry was improved). It really was a erroneous impression I fell to; again: sorry for that. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:21, 12 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Eclipse Series ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?20149; I added links to all 4 volumes in PENDING edits (#2 and #4 are OL-only no-borrow copies) and noticed that the subtitle for #1 was not added to its editions like it was for the others. Should it be added or should it be removed from the others since they all say the same thing and it's not a unique subtitle? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:27, 27 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks for finding this: the subtitle should be included & I'll do it. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:31, 27 September 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== R. D. Laing Epigraph ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I'm drawing your attention to {{T|3218827|this title}}. Translations may occur in all three publications given here if you'd like to check; {{T|1436214|Planet der Frauen}}. Btw, I've submitted date change 2010-11-11 to 1975-02-00, and modified the note. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:11, 8 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: In the earlier publications with Knaur / Droemer Knaur this piece only seemed to be a motto. I'll see if I can get hold of a copy of the 2000 publication and see if it's in any way extended for that later edition. Thanks for pointing towards this! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:02, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::The essay is only a short piece but I think it's a cut above the usual oblique references that authors include - and it gives a good grounding for the main novel. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:10, 14 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Le roi au masque d'or et autres nouvelles ==<br />
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You found an OCLC entry for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?974996 this pub], but OCLC says it is in English, also the subtitle is. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 16:48, 16 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:That there's an erroneous language assigned with entries at OCLC does happen quite frequently. Usually (as with this publication) the reason is that the source library is in a different country than that the publictaion was issued in. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 05:06, 17 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Ring of Thoth ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?194121; I added 2 Archive.org links in a PENDING edit and noticed the alternate title doesn't have the colon. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:54, 16 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Das zerrissene Land ==<br />
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Recently got [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?345197 Das zerrissene Land] at a library sale, and I added some content to the already existing record. Could you check it out and see if I got it right, as you verified a later printing. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 02:41, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Looks good so far. I'll see if I can find some information on the month of publication and add it then. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:21, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Thanks. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 12:15, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::I added OL ID in a PENDING edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:41, 18 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Foundation #83 - Cover Art ==<br />
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You have PVd [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?451343 Foundation, #83 Autumn 2001]. Would you mind taking a look at [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:PeteYoung#Jon_Courtenay_Grimwood_.2F_Pashazade this discussion] and advising whether you have any objection to removing the coverart record from Foundation #83. Thanks. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:37, 26 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: It's absolutely okay for me to remove the credit (in fact I just did so): the credit really was derived from the novel entry. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 08:49, 27 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Christian Steinbacher ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?283688; Is that you? If so, you may want to add your day of birth. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:08, 27 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Well, my point of view is that we are a db for fiction, and I tend to think we basically should keep detailed life dates for the authors of those works (and associated artists, of course). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:22, 27 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK. I came across this, https://www.stifterhaus.at/stichwoerter/christian-steinbacher, but it may not be you because the birth year is different. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:16, 27 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: No, this isn't me: some years ago, I got a book (a collection of poems) by this Austrian author as a tongue-in-cheek birthday present (but he is basically nongenre). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:50, 27 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Gedankennetz ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?648007; An archived link was uploaded last year so I added a link in a PENDING edit; I couldn't quite get a handle on the page count but I don't think it's 184 so can you check, https://archive.org/search?query=gedankennetz, and fix if needed? I also added cover artist Thomas Franke's photo from FantLab in another edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:11, 27 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:The page count is based on the publisher's web site (which is ususally reliable): the last page of the text may be unnumbered. <br />
:Thanks for the Franke image: so far, I couldn't find one. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:48, 27 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Katja Brandis ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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If you are bored, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?212388 Katja Brandis]'s page can use a German editor (we are missing a lot of [https://www.katja-brandis.de/alle-buecher/ books] and she seems to be getting translated so they keep popping up). I have it somewhere on my list to work through them but it will take awhile to get to her so figured I may as well ping you and see if you are interested. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:01, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: HA! No, I'm not really bored, but I'll look up (and add) some interesting books to the list, for example the missing second volume in the Woodwalkers series. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:08, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::: The first and the third need German editions as well :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:40, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::: I'm at it! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:43, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Quotation marks ==<br />
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Hi, I'm still unsure about the correct use of quotation marks in the ISFDB. The problem you see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1695 here]. Do quotation marks need to be standardized? Then » « changes to " " and the title »Es« must be corrected to "Es". Otherwise, if the book title must be entered exactly as indicated in the pub the title "Es" has to be adapted because all <br />
German editions use the » « quotes. [[User:Boskar|Boskar]] ([[User talk:Boskar|talk]]) 04:13, 18 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Hi! The [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:EditTitle help page] on entering titles gives the advice "Quotes can be entered either as single (') or double (") quotes. They are considered interchangeable typographical artifacts and no variant titles should be created for versions of the same story that use different types of quotes." So I guess in this case it should be the latter (") (I wouldn't want to use single quotes here). Hope that helps, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:20, 18 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Yes, this is very helpful! Thank you! I know this help page but searched for 'quotation' instead of 'quote', my fault! I will make sure that the »Es« title is adjusted to the rule. [[User:Boskar|Boskar]] ([[User talk:Boskar|talk]]) 05:42, 19 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Islanders ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?358496; https://archive.org/search?query=9780575078192; I was correcting 9 instances of the word "paperback" being misspelled in notes and this one has something else that may need looking at; archived copy's back cover has US sticker overlaying original UK info and since it's an export, as you noted, shouldn't it have US price entered? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:01, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Well, it ''is'' only a sticker, and the original UK price is visible with that archive.org copy. If I remember correctly, I obtained my copy in a German bookshop that used to have a BIG English language section. So 'export edition' seems to stand for export into (at least) quite a handful of countries, and the UK price seems thus to be the only reliable stated one. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:38, 26 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== New Worlds 2 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23794; I added Archive.org link in a PENDING edit and there are 291 numbered pages, not 293; the last 2 are a comics (?) ad and an address page. So it should probably be 291 or 291+[2] or something similar. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:43, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Plan 7 From ... ==<br />
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{{T|2159691|Plan 7 from L.A.}} has always and only been published as "Plan 7 from Sin City" - the confusion is that in the copyright indicia for Wind Through the Fence it's listed as "from L.A" but the T.O.C and the first page of the story both say, plainly "from Sin City". How to get rid of the "from L.A." title? [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] ([[User talk:Ofearna|talk]]) 17:07, 11 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Done! (I removed the double 'Plan 7 from L. A.' from "Strange Worlds", and then merged the two titles.). Hope that's all okay now. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:28, 12 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Discussion of German audio books ==<br />
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Could you please join [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Entries_disappeared this discussion of deleted German audio books]? Thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:03, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== New Taboos ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?411302; I think format should be TP, not PB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:34, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Right you are. Corrected. Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:37, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== My Life, My Body ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?536236; I think format should be TP, not PB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:38, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: And again: Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:40, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Rumo & His Miraculous Adventures ==<br />
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This [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?196610 title] has four unverified editions. In 2015, you modified the title's author from Walter Moers to Optimus Yarnspinner. I have a copy of the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?479743 second] edition and the cover and title page give the author as Walter Moers. I can change the author on my edition only, or on the title. Is there any reason to believe that Optimus Yarnspinner is listed as the author on the other three editions? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 22:48, 14 December 2023 (EST)</div>
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